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And, what he's doing is super effective, by the way. It's like, it's a Kimura, that's what he's doing. It's like,
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Yeah, it's one of the- it's basically how he explained it, and he's done this move, like I said, as me as the dummy. And it hurt, by the way.
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I don't know, it was just like a miscommunication, you know, like if you, and if you do it, it's kind of like you're just, it's just leverage to bend your arm behind your back, but dang, and it was, it wasn't your shoulder that jammed. No, no, no.
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Yeah, and that's- and these are one of those ones that is kinda like, man.
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Yeah, doing muscle ups period is awesome, cause I haven't, dang, muscle ups, I haven't done muscle ups for decades.
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New skill. Boom. Muscle up. But yea, if you want this, uh, Joint Warfare and Jocko Super Krill, it is at originmain.com. Main like the state.
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OriginMain.com. Also at OriginMain is where you can get your geese. Oh, but before the geese. This is new, so I can't, uh, this new supplement called The Discipline. Pre-mission, pre-workout, pre-life activity, pre-life supplement.
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Yeaah, there you go. Get that one. But yeaah, that one too. OriginMain.com. Real good. Also at OriginMain, like I was gonna say, is GEEZ for all the people who have been asking Dave Burke today, called me today, about GEEZ. Like, what up with the GEEZ? I'm getting my GEEZ and all this stuff.
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Bro, and it's not like you're, like I said, three, four hours, I always, especially after hearing you guys talk, it's like, man, it's not like you're coming home from a hard day of work, and you know, now you're, you've clocked out, and now you have some time to settle down, watch the news, and go sleep for the night....
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That's awesome. Yeah, man. Bad. Nonetheless, Dave Burke, yeah, he called me. Nonetheless, that story doesn't matter. You wanna get a gi, you're still looking to get a gi, you wanna get another gi, you get it from originmade.com. Made in America. 100% made in America. From the seeds of the cotton. That said it. Seeds o...
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Yeah bruh, cause you, and I feel weird if I say mountain. Yeah. Mountain or important. It's like I'm not. Important. Important.
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Yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. No, I dig it. It doesn't sound weird when you do it. It feels weird when I do it. Nonetheless, yeaah. Or jamain.com. Go there. They have a lot of cool stuff and it's all made in America. That's the good part. It's all made in America. Also, four workout stuff. Kettlebells.
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Battle Ropes. Maces. You're switching up your work by doing creative stuff. Boom. On it. Onit.com slash Jocko. That's where you go.
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The Kettlebells, the artistic one, Primal Bells, Demon Bells, not Demon Bells, Zombie Bells is what they're called, uh, and Primal Bells, wait, Primal Bells? Legend. Legend. Yea, planet to pick from. Those are the cool ones. I bought my daughter one a few months ago by the way. She gets after it.
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Nonetheless, that's where you get a lot of cool stuff on there. A lot of good info as well. Onit.com slash Jocko, that's the one. Also, when you're buying books that we occasionally, and occasionally mean very often, review on this podcast, go to jockopodcast.com, the page, little top menu there, click on books on the...
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So, you know, you don't get lost or whatever. Listed by episode.
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Click through there. Get em. Amazon. Amazon Prime. Next day delivery. Best way to do it. My opinion. Also, subscribe to the podcast if you have not already. On iTunes. Google Play. Stitcher.
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Spotify. Wait, can you subscribe on Spotify? I think you can. I don't know. I don't know either, I'm not on Spotify, but...
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If you are on Spotify and you can subscribe, subscribe. Also on YouTube, video version of this podcast, also excerpts from this podcast.
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The benefits of excerpts I think are kinda self explanatory and I've explained them plenty of times so I'm not gonna do it this time.
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Uhm, but yeaah, you can take the little, uh, lessons individually. So you don't have to listen to the whole podcast. Nonetheless. Subscribe. Good way to support. Also, Jocko has a store. It's called JockoStore. JockoStore.com.
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This is where you can get the shirts. Discipline equals freedom. A shirt with Jaco's head on it. With the word good. Written backwards. I'm not even gonna say why it's written backwards, but it is written backwards on purpose. Cause people have been emailing you.
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It's a knockoff. It's what's called a counterfeit knockoff. It's bad. Actually, uhm, somebody posted a picture of, I think, I forget what it's a, it's a Jaco sum. It's one of those, you know those, okay, there's, so there's like companies.
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Yeaah, and to me the quote was that, I would never put that quote on there, I don't think you would, doesn't seem like something you would put in the job. You know, kind of wack. You know, the guy looked cool in it, and I dig it, but uhm.
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Good intention for sure, 100%. And I'm signing on in that way, but I think again, it's a situation where these companies, I'm assuming it's a company, I'm sure it's not just one dude, but it's companies, they get trendy stuff and they just
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Yeah. Offer them for print and on Amazon or wherever. Yeah. And that's different.
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That's what they call counterfeit knockoff. Jocko stuff.
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There's some origin stuff, like back in origin main, they got the, your rash guard, you know, so origin stuff, 100% in the game, you know, podcast legit. Other than that, it's, it's going to be kind of hard to find.
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No man. Sorry guys. They're coming though. It's all good. Also, rash guards. There's a new rash guard. Sodium one. The essence of jujitsu. Small action, big reaction, you know. And that got pointed out to me after I started wearing it, by the way.
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Yeah, Black Belt. It was Keeling Taylor who did it, and he was like, oh, what does your rash card say? It says, it says small action, big reaction, and he goes, the essence of jujitsu. It is. You know, like the whole leverage inefficiencies thing. I was like, dang bro, you're
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You're D. J- Speaking of Judo. Keeling. Judo Keeling. Yea yea, he blocked out Judo as well. He's originally a Judo player. Yea. Legit. Nonetheless, new rash guard out. Oh.
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Jocko try. And this is what it's for. If you didn't know. I'm gonna explain it. This is what it's for. On your path to... I'm gonna make it like concise. Okay, here's a good way to say it. On your path to greatness, it's a weapon against weakness. It's kinda concise. I'm still working on it. I just made it up just now...
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Alright, yeah, CC, this is the, what do you call it, the creative, uhm, process, yeaah, this is like- No, that was just cheesy, there was no- Yeaah, live on the podcast, it's the worst, worst deal. Alright, well hey, look, on your path, how about that, on the path, you're on the path, we're on the path, we're working ...
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Sticking with the dietary guidelines that can keep us in the game. Hopefully.
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We better be, nonetheless, every once in a while you'll hit that little roadblock, little speed bump, speed bump, not roadblock, speed bump. Moment of weakness. All it is is a distraction. Like, okay, when you get hungry, you're on a fast or you're on, you know, like a really solid diet and maybe it's new or something...
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Hopefully you're thinking long-term. Long-term win. My diet's gonna bring me my workout. My whole thing is gonna bring me to this long-term goal, right? You keep your eyes on that goal, you're gonna stay on the path. You get distracted by the fact that you're hungry at one moment. The fact that this thing right here, ...
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If you keep your eyes on the long-term goal, you won't be distracted. That doesn't mean anything, I know I'm hungry right now. I'm supposed to be hungry right now, I didn't eat yet.
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Of course donuts taste good. They always taste good. It has nothing to do with this path. That's why these are distractions. This psychological warfare is like a little helper to keep you from being distracted.
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Yeah, utilize something and get that little win with it. You're gonna be like, okay, this thing works. This thing is legit. Just like jujitsu.
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This is Jocko Podcast number 106 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening.
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During a vicious three day fight, where they suffered some massive casualties. 79 killed in action, 121 wounded. And on top of that, the battlefield was littered with enemy dead.
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With the estimates of enemy dead to be between 500 and a thousand.
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And we stopped there where the, where the 1-7 cav left the battlefield. So if you haven't listened to 105 yet, go back.
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And listen to that before continuing with this podcast 106.
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Because even though the 1-7 left the battlefield, the battle wasn't over yet. And one of the...
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One of the events that I didn't really talk about in the first iDring podcast on 105 was the fact that two other battalions had arrived on the ground to reinforce the 17 and it was the 2nd battalion 5th cavalry
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Commanded by Lieutenant Colonel Robert Tully and the 2nd Battalion, 7th Cavalry, led by Lieutenant Colonel Robert McDade.
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Most of the battalion's men from those two battalions had landed at LZ Victor.
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Which was about two miles away from x-ray and they had patrolled to x-ray on foot.
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Arriving for the most part without incident and then things seem to settle down a lot on x-ray, one seven left and
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Once 1-7 had left the battlefield, 2-7 and 2-5 were still there.
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So at that point, that portion of the battle was over and
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27 and 25 could have likely been extracted via helicopter, pretty securely, just at 17 had been.
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It seems that General Westmoreland did not like the idea of 2-7 and 2-5 pulling out.
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He thought that that would appear as a retreat, so he ordered that 25 and 27 secure LZ x-ray for the night and then the next day they would move by foot patrol to another LZ called LZ Albany.
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Which was about 2.5 miles to the north. And then B-52 bombers were gonna-
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Rain down bombs on LZ x-ray and the surrounding areas. They didn't expect
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A lot of resistance, because things had settled so much down, so much on LZ X-ray.
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That if you remember even towards the end of the last podcast there was reporters came in and landed at LZXray and were doing camera shots and interviewing people. So it was pretty settled down.
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They felt like it was over and they didn't expect much resistance on this movement from LZ X-Ray to LZ Albany.
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So, let's go back to the book. The book is We Were Soldiers Once and Young by General Hal Moore and Joe Galloway.
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And like I said, there wasn't much resistance expected, and here's what it says in the book. The word among Bob McDade's troopers was that it was going to be a walk in the sun.
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A stroll over to another landing zone where the helicopters would come in and extract them. The first leg of the journey home to Ankei base. The word was wrong.
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And these guys, even though there hadn't been much fighting going on, they were actually a little bit tired.
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Because they had been awake on the ground, so here we go. Just before Alpha Company 2nd Battalion moved out, it's commander.
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Directed that each man take two APC tablets. Aspirin with caffeine. A move designed to increase the mental alertness of the troops.
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So, there you go, take a little caffeine, a little aspirin, get you guys, get your heads in the game, cause they've been awake for a long time. And again, they're not expecting much, but they've still been on the ground in a hot LZ for a while.
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Back to the book. Lieutenant Ali, the battalion's communication officer, was with headquarters company. We were told that this would be a tactical move. There was a lot of stuff on the battlefield. Equipment, supplies, captured stuff that had to be policed up and blown up. All in a hurry up situation.
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I was personally carrying an RC-292 antenna in addition to my regular combat load.
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I weighed about 140 pounds. My normal combat load was 40 or 50 pounds. The 292 antenna weighed 60 pounds.
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The temperature must have been 96 and the humidity was the same. We were moving as fast as we could through the elephant grass and scrub oaks, some high canopy. We were humping. Everyone was as tired as could be.
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2.5 miles, doesn't sound very far, but when you're carrying, so he's already, he's carrying 100 pounds, his 40, 50 pound combat load, plus his antenna, and everyone else is carrying all kinds of extra stuff that they're pulling off the LZ. It's 96 degrees out, 96% humidity, and walking through the jungle is never easy...
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Yeah, but still. Then they are now? Yeah, no, 100 pounds. That's no joke. That's no joke.
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Back to the book, Lieutenant Gary Gwynn of Alpha Company says the jungle around us got heavier and heavier. That's when things got a little scary.
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There was a sudden absence of any air cover. The guys were silent and I wondered where our helos and our aerial rocket artillery ships were.
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We had not changed formation tactically, but physically we had to move in much tighter to maintain visual contact because of the undergrowth.
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The terrain forced our flankers in. So at this point, they had a bunch of air cover, they don't have any air cover right now, and now the terrain is making them get closer and closer together because
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And so if all of a sudden there's elephant grass, well the only way to keep visual of you is for you to get close to me and for me to get close to the next guy. And so everyone starts to compress and he's talking about the flankers being out there a lot of times when we patrol in formation.
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You'll put people out on the flanks within visual range, but they'll be stretching the visual range, but they're out there to make sure that there's no one sneaking up on you. And so they've, it's getting dense now to the point where they can't keep their flankers out. So now you're losing some of that flank security.
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Sujinis, Sujinis was interrogating the two. They were in mint condition.
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New weapons, grenades, new gear, but both were feverish, terrified and shaking.
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None of us in company headquarters had seen a live North Vietnamese up close.
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These were not the last we would see this day. We gave them water and advised the battalion headquarters. So, all of a sudden they got a couple of prisoners.
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Little scary to me when the prisoners that we take have brand new weapons, new grenades, new gear. I mean, we at least know that they're fresh. Maybe they're not combat hardened, but we know that they've got some good, they're well supplied, which is a scary thing in this type of war.
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So this is, this is kind of, we're looking back hindsight, of course, being 2020. This is, this is an error.
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Or a, or a mistake that gets made right now. And of course mistakes happen all the time and they, they don't get capitalized on by the enemy. Sometimes by luck, sometimes by skill of the enemy. This is one of those mistakes that
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It gets capitalized. Again, whether it's by luck or plan, probably by luck. Maybe it's a little bit of both. You wouldn't think much of it if things didn't go the way they did. You know, Leif and I used to have this conversation a lot. I mean, you don't know when things are going to go wrong.
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And, and seriously, you can be on the battlefield and you can, you can say, Hey, everyone go left and everyone goes left and everything turns out great.
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Or you can say everyone go right and everyone go right and everyone thing turns out great. If you go left and you happen to go to where the enemy was waiting in ambush for you to go, now you're, you're, you just made a bad tactical call. The thing that made it a bad tactical call was that the enemy happened to be ther...
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So sometimes you make the best tactical decision you can make and it turns out bad. Now we can look back at this hindsight being 2020, of course, and critique what's about to happen.
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So, we'll talk a little bit more about it. Here's what goes down. Back to the book. Captain George Forrest, commander of Alpha Company 1st Battalion, 5th Cavalry, was more than 500 yards to the rear. So these guys are in a long column of march. Group of people.
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McDade asked all the company commanders to come forward. So McDade is the company, is the battalion commander and he tells all the company's commanders to come forward. So he's, McDade's up at the front of this column and who knows how big they are. You know, he says he's 500 yards to the rear, but this whole thing pr...
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Just so everyone understands, it's hard to control 40 guys in a line of march with any kind of control that's spread out over 200 meters. That's challenging.
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500, 600 guys spread out over almost a kilometer. We have a serious command and control issue. So now what he's doing to overcome this issue is telling all the, all the company commanders. So there's three companies that are out there. Actually there's more than that, but there's multiple companies out there.
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He tells all the company commanders, hey, come to my position at the front of this thing so we can talk about what's happening.
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Back to the book. Captain Fezmire, the Charlie company commander was also moving up the count column to toward McDade's position.
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And with him, he brings his two radio operators. So who does that leave with the company?
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There might be one platoon guy left that's a radio operator, maybe one in each platoon, but he's pulling the communications node out of the company right there. He brings forward his artillery observer. So this is the guy that's going to be able to place artillery
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Other guys can pick up the slack, but not as well as this guy can do it.
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Uh, he brings Lieutenant Sidney Smith and his radioman. So that means that, so sorry, the artillery observer is Lieutenant Sidney Smith, but that guy brings his radioman as well. So there's another guy out of the loop. And then the first sergeant, the company first sergeant.
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