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Sergeant Major Scott says I took a bullet through my chest, not more than 15 or 20 minutes into the battle. I could see enemy soldiers to our left, right and front in platoon and company size elements.
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They were up in trees, up on top of ant hills, and in the high grass. We weren't exactly organized. We didn't have time. Everything happened all at once. I didn't see a hole being dug up prior to 8pm that night.
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We did use the trees and ant hills for cover. Within a half an hour, there was an attempt to organize groups into defensive position in the company area.
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So this is decentralized command coming at you. The only thing that gets them together is that individuals stepped up and said, okay, we need to form a perimeter defense.
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Now unfortunately, a half an hour, an hour had already passed when they got to this point.
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Where individuals start making the call. The other thing is there's a lack of overall direction.
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So you get to a point where if everyone knew, hey, here's the position we're going to be in the battalion. Here's our formation. If something happens, here's what we're going to do. We're going to bound towards this area. There's all kinds of contingency plans that could have been done here. Now again, I'm doing hinds...
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And we are trying to talk to all the military people that are listening to this that are out doing operations right now. Think about this.
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And I had this, I probably told this story before, but when we first got to Ramadi,
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My, one of the junior officers was taking a patrol out.
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And, it was a patrol, a combined patrol with some Iraqi soldiers and some SEALs, and he was going over the patrol route with me.
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And he said, yeah, and then we have to go across this field because it's the only way to get from here to there. And I said, well, what are you going to do when you get to this open field? And he said, well, we're just going to get across it. That's how you're going to get across it. And he said, well, we're going to ...
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And that's what they did and sure enough, they actually got hit. They got hit with a pretty significant attack and uh, with mortars and small arms fire and they covered, moved out of the situation.
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My point is, looking at the terrain beforehand, having a plan and then executing the plan and dictating the situation you're going to be in instead of letting the situation dictate what happens to you. Don't do that. That's not a good answer. Situation dictates. That's not a good, we dictate the situation.
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Was very broad. Commander's intent, get close, split him up. These guys didn't have a command like that. What could the opposite command have been? Stick together.
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Back to the book, Sudanese and Guyan are agree.
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That it was not long after this that the Alpha- the commander of Alpha Company's missing second platoon, Lieutenant Gordon Grove, staggered into the American position from the east. Here's Larry Gwynn talking. I saw Gordon- Gordy Grove coming across the field along with two wounded men. They were the only ones left of...
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Grove was distraught. We got him and his two men with us and got our medics working on the wounded.
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Joel Shadini's said, Gordy, I can't send anybody else back out there.
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It was clear that to leave this perimeter was deaf.
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Everywhere you looked, you could see North Vietnamese. Gordy asked permission to go talk to the battalion commander. So Jeannie said, go ahead. He jogged over, asked McDade for help to get, get his men, got a negative response. So he came back to our Anhill.
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So this is one of those classic examples you hear about all the time. People will try and get you in the, uh,
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Well, here's what these guys did right here. They're like, no, you can't go get them. If you send in more people out there, they're going to die. If they die, if we send 10 guys out there, 15 guys out there, 18 guys out there to go recover this platoon, we're going to lose 18 more guys. We're going to stay put. We're ...
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Quinn adds there was a tremendous battle going on in the vicinity of where we had come into the clearing and beyond there in the jungle. It was Charlie Company caught in the killing zone of the ambush fighting for its life.
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The mortar fire had ceased. The enemy tubes apparently had been overrun by Charlie Company because we found them all the next day. But there were still hundreds of North Vietnamese calmly walking around the area we were observing.
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Now began the sniping phase of our battle. I call it that because for a long period of time, all we did was pick off enemy wandering around our perimeter, and this lasted until we started getting air support.
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Everything that had happened to this point had probably taken less than 30 minutes.
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Gwyn saw Major Frank Henry, the battalion executive officer, lying on his back using the radio, trying desperately to get some tactical air support and succeeding. The air was on the way, but there was no artillery or aerial rocket artillery yet.
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Jim Spires, the S3 ran over to us and queried Gordon Grove, Gordy Grove, as to the situation outside the perimeter where he had just come from.
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Grove told him there were still men out there, tightened into a small perimeter, but they were all wounded and dying and the radios had all been knocked out.
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Captain Spires asked a second time if he thought anyone was still alive and none of us said anything.
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Gwyn climbed atop a termite hill and began sniping at the North Vietnamese visible across the clearing in the trees to the south with his M16 rifle.
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There were plenty of targets and I remember picking off 10 or 15 NVA from my position.
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My memories revolve around the way in which each enemy soldier fell that I hit.
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Some would simply limp slump limply to the ground. Some reacted as if they had been hit by a truck.
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Some that I missed on the first and second shots kept on milling around until I finally hit them.
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What we did not know at the time was that they were wandering around the elephant grass looking for Americans who were still alive and killing them off one by one.
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North Vietnamese soldiers climbed into trees and on top of those brush-covered termite hills and poured fire down on the cavalry troopers trapped in the tall grass below them in the main body of the column.
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There was serious firing, including mortar fire from both sides.
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The strike at the head of the column was followed so quickly by the enemy encircling assaults that the whole business seemed to erupt almost simultaneously.
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Without doubt, some of, some platoons of McDade's battalion were alert and in as secure a formation as they could achieve in the elephant crash, brush, and thick scrub trees.
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But the visibility problem made it difficult to maintain formation. And one result was that American troops were close to one another, then was tactically sound, providing juicy grenade- juicy targets for a grenade, mortar round, or a burst from AK-47 rifle.
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All down the column, platoon leaders, sergeants, radio operators and riflemen by the dozens were killed or wounded in the first 10 minutes, rapidly degrading communication, cohesion and control.
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So this whole thing that we've talked about up to this point was like a half an hour. Just a brutal onslaught that, that kicked off with massive violence of action.
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Captain Fezmire adds, the result was very intense individual hand to hand combat.
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In the confusion, I had no idea exactly where the company was located.
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When Lieutenant Cornett died, it was virtually impossible for me to talk to anyone in my company.
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The battle had clearly become an individual struggle for life.
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Again, that was the goal of the Vietnamese, was to make it an individual struggle, was to get in close, was to separate people from the main battalion.
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Spec 4 Jack Smith, who was in Charlie Company, had been a radio operator until about a week or so before this operation when he was shifted to a supply clerk's job.
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The events of November 17 are etched on his mind. Smith's company commander, Captain Fezmire, had, like the others, been called to the front by Lieutenant Colonel McDade.
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Subsequently, many people pointed to this as a major error. And in light of what has happened, it was.
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The firing began to roll on all around us. The executive officer of my company, a man called Don Cornette, a very fine officer, jumped up and in the best style of the infantry school, yelled, follow me.
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Elements of our first and second platoons ran right towards a series of ant hills. Within ten feet of them, we saw where the machine gunners behind them, firing point blank at us.
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Men all around me began to fall like mown grass.
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I had never seen people killed before. They began to drop like flies and die right in front of me.
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These were the only friends I had. And they were dying all around me.
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The intensity of the fire increased to the point where Shadden couldn't hear anything but weapons firing.
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I kept raising up to try and detect a good target. Matthew Shelton, who was laying next to me, kept jerking me down.
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As I raised up again, a bullet pierced my helmet straight through front to back.
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I went down again and came back and as I came back up a bullet struck the tree beside my head from behind. I don't know if we were surrounded or it was our own men.
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Shaden has no idea how much time elapsed. There was no way to keep track of time in a fight like this.
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Men were wounded and dead all in the area. Six were alive that I know of. Sergeant Tyler, PFC Carter, PFC Johnson, PFC Shelton, PFC Cones, and myself.
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Tyler gave the only order I heard during the entire fight. Try to pull back before they finish us off. Shelton froze to the ground and would not move.
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The five of us proceeded to try and pull back, but the snipers were still in the trees. Soon I was hit in the right shoulder, which for a time rendered it useless. Tyler was hit in the neck about the same time he died in arms length from me begging for the medic spec for William Pleasant, who is already dead.
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The last words Tyler ever spoke were, I'm dying.
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Sergeant Tyler 35 was from Columbia, South Carolina.
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I got behind a log and there was a Vietnamese there busted up and dead.
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For me, it's crazy to think these are Americans. It really is. You know, it's crazy to think you always think
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Naively so that Americans have the upper hand all the time, but you know, here you are. You, you, you, you don't.
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Shaden continues on, it appears as if the ground was opening up and swallowing the mortar men. They fell so fast.
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A brown wave of death rolled over them and on into Charlie Company. Vietnamese intermixed with them. Then reality set in.
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The enemy held ground beyond the ant hill. The column was cut in half.
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Incoming fire drew our attention back to the treeline. The firing increased rapidly.
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We returned fire at muzzle flashes. I heard an explosion behind me. Turning, I saw Chikom grenades landing. All flash and smoke, no casualties. The volume of fire became almost unendurable.
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Bullets peeled bark from trees, vegetation disintegrated. I looked to Lieutenant James Lawrence for help, saw his head violently recoil. He hit the ground.
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Here's another description. Back to the book. Here's what the Vietnam War looked like in the afternoon of November 17th through the eyes of two of Captain Forrest's Alpha Company riflemen.
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We started to maneuver and work our way up the column to help those ahead. Every time we made a move, we were hit by mortars. It was something you can't describe. People were dropping like flies. The first blast killed a young soldier named Locatelli.
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Every time we move, they drop mortars on us. I know we must have had 12 or 15 wounded out of our platoon, including our platoon leader.
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These were my buddies I had been with in the army for two years. The majority of our whole battalion had been drafted at age 21 and had been in the service for over 18 months. All of us were nearly 23 years old. They became my brothers over time.
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Hearing these fellows scream, hearing them killed, stuck in my heart and mind ever since.
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The most critical part of this fight was the beginning. It was the surprise. They had us in a U-shaped ambush.
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Surprise and violence of action. Surprise and violence of action. Two key elements of firefights.
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And here's what Young said, the other, the other individual introduced a moment ago. There was a grassy field to my left, 25 or 30 yards and a sniper off on my right.
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I couldn't see him, but I saw a tracer bullet go across my hand. I felt the wind of that bullet. The same bullet passed over the back of Smith's neck. He was lucky he had his head down.
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Our company commander Captain Forrest came running along our line. He was stopping and telling everybody where to go. He acted as though he was immune to enemy fire. I don't know how he kept from getting hit.
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So Captain Forrest is stepping up and leading and what's, things do not happen without leadership.
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If you remember that often times in Vietnam there would be a command and control helicopter and we talked about this on 105 where the brigade commander actually came and landed for a little bit and then left.
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Well, that was Colonel Tim Brown and here we have a little section with talking about what's going on with him. Back to the book. Colonel Tim Brown's helicopter was running low on fuel and the chopper had to return to refuel. Brown says, I knew they were in a contact. I did not know how severe or anything else.
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While I was talking to McDade, I could hear rifle fire, but he didn't know what was happening. I asked, what happened to your lead unit?
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He didn't know. Where's your trailing units? He didn't know.
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And he didn't know what happened to any of the rest of them.
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Nobody knew what the hell was going on. We were not in a position to shoot a bunch of artillery or airstrikes in there because we didn't know where to put them.
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Only now did Colonel Brown begin rounding up reinforcements to send in to help Bob McDade's 2nd Battalion.
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You've heard me talk about this before. I used to ask the young junior officers what's the most important piece of information you can have on the battlefield and they'd say where the enemy is and how many there are and what kind of weapons there are and no, the most important piece of information there is on the batt...
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So you ask them, Hey, where are you in your, in your P and L and your profit and loss? They don't know.
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You ask them where they're doing, where their sales performance is. They don't know. How are we going to make any changes? You need to know where you are. Most important piece of information there is.
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Again, this is the Colonel, or the Battalion Commander, Lieutenant Colonel.
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In charge on the ground. In that first hour or so, the situation was so fluid that I was acting more as a platoon leader than a battalion commander. That's a flag, red flag, right? You're acti- If you're acting as a platoon leader, and you're in charge of a plato- So a platoon is 40, guys.
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A battalion is 500, 600, and he's acting as a platoon leader. Who's running the battalion then?
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