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"I am not trolling or being sarcastic in anyway.\\n\\nKilling a human is obviously immoral and illegal. Yet in wartime if a group of soldiers are killed by a sneak attack from an opposing force it is not considered immoral and is not illegal. \\nBut if a soldier is tortured and killed then it can be considered a war ... |
"I don't think animals have moral consideration, and I don't think global warming/climate change is a very big deal. I am curious if there are any potential reasons to be a veg*n that I am forgetting.", |
"I don't really have a debate exactly, but here seemed more appropriate than r.vegan\\n\\nWhat I'm curious about is how people balance a meat eater eating meat, being conscious of the process to create the meat, but still being a relatively good person and caring for animals.\\n\\nI've met some arguments one year and... |
"My post has been removed and I genuinely don't understand. The mods are not messaging me back.\\n\\nI agree that veganism is a venerable and ethical philosophy, but I feel excluded for trying to propose that the /r/vegan text should be amended to include the opening sentence of TVS manifesto as that recontextalises ... |
"One of the philosophies I believe in is that if my stance doesn't directly affect something, I'm not gonna care about it. For example, voting for the president. I could vote for whatever, the results will be the same. The very cliche answer to that would be \\"but if everyone would think like that it would go wrong,... |
"I really don't understand how people can go for 5 years + on just plants - after one meal i feel bloated, a little dizzy and become hungry shortly after. Plus, my concentration is far worse. No matter how much plant I eat I just don't feel satiated and fart a lot after. I don't encounter these problems after eating ... |
"I'm not anti vegan, I don't mean any ill will. How do vegans feel about the damage that agriculture does to the environment? The effect of bulldozing ecosystems and poisoning of waterways with runoff to have a sterile field of soy for example doesn't seem to be recognized. Also, the industrial farming of bees for po... |
"Let me ask you ( I took a beating in r/vegan): is game meat a fair alternative? Of course, not all.\\n\\nI'll show you. For a while now I've been living on an almost vegan diet. Exceptions being made at my granny's and whenever there is no alternative (I live in the German countryside). \\nBut, for professional reas... |
"Hi everyone,\\n\\nI was thinking about the use of animals for medicine and I think I\\u2019ve solidified that vivisection and animal testing are unethical. That thought then brought me to an interesting question; is it ethical to take the venom from snakes and spiders to make antidotes for humans? \\n\\nAs far as I ... |
"So because of the pandemic the whole industry that I work in is non-active. I am now looking for a temporary job and my partner found me one, but it\\u2019s in a fishing shop. I feel ethically impugned to work there but on the other hand I really need an income rn. What would another vegan do?\\n\\nEDIT: it\\u2019s ... |
"The book is dialogues on ethical vegetarianism by Michael Huemer. In this book, two college students \\u2013 a meat-eater and an ethical vegetarian \\u2013 discuss ethical vegetarianism in a series of dialogues conducted over four days. (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6ZiLViOYPeadLGtk6Sp57sRXCqP2dtqF)(http... |
"Am a vegan. Hear me out. \\n\\nI believe that you cannot be an ethical vegan unless you are also an environmentalist. Why? Because by irresponsibly engaging in unethical and unsustainable practices of any kind, you're dictating the allotment of the Earth's resources, while also choosing to partake in the destruction... |
"I know we can get B-12, Iron, and the like from supplements.\\n\\nDoes anyone know about any other nutrients lacking in a vegan diet? Something like an amino acid or whatever?\\n\\nI\\u2019m really looking into veganism but I\\u2019m scared there is some *obscure* molecule or nutrient that will be lacking and will b... |
"Veganism is certainly more ethical and healthy than the typical meaty diet. \\n\\nHowever, veganism is morally dogmatic. \\n\\nHumans are not fundamentally different than other animals. \\n\\nVegans simultaneously argue that animals are sentient, but not capable or moral action. \\n\\nPerhaps a muscle has no feels, ... |
"I understand this is a Vegan page, but hear me out. I agree mass slaughtering of animals in horrible conditions to put meat on the table for the masses is a terrible way to treat an animal. it\\u2019s why names such as beef, pork & poultry came about to desensitize the buyer from the product. Yet, going out into the... |
"Why do people go raw vegan?", |
"It's annoying to check in to this sub and find posts that aren't debates but are instead pointless trivias left to \\"confound\\" vegans. Obviously, everybody starts from somewhere, but there are so many posts that just posit some ridiculous idea wherein the OP doesn't respond to the question they pose. It's just po... |
"Where I stepped into this sub with ecological concerns, it has been made clear to me the one and only drive for a true vegan (as supposed to plant based diet) is the ethics behind it, aimed to end the suffering inflicted by humans upon our livestock. I have been considering how to bring the ecology questions I have... |
"There are any increasing number of theories that mushrooms/fungi are in fact sentient beings capable of relatively advanced communication, ability to work as a group, perceive the world, etc. Have you considered these theories and does it have an impact on your life and veganism?", |
"Is a humans life more valuable and meaningful than any other animal?", |
"I have two cats and have always loved having pets. But this can be nothing else but a moral contradiction. How can I call myself ethical and eat ethically but then say that it's fine for me to be the keeper of other animals. What if they roamed around freely to their own accord and I was just the food supplier. What... |
"For context I have been vegan for a year now but this topic came up in discussion with a friend and I wanted to know what you guys thought of it.\\n\\nI know someone who suffered from anxiety and depression and recently found cooking to be a tool to help with this. He cooks mainly curries and these normally contain ... |
"The ancient ancestors of modern humans consumed flesh some 2.6 million years ago. The most commonly accepted theory is that what we believe makes us the most \\"human\\" (aside from our genes; our brain) evolved to the size and ability it has bc of the consumption of meat. As such, we have been \\"conditioned\\" to ... |
"Just bc I can survive wo consuming animals and just bc I cause suffering to an animal in killing it to consume does not mean I should not do it (it also doesn't mean I should do it; by default both are valid responses rationally/logically speaking) Morality is an emotional concept based in perceptions and not logica... |
"So I\\u2019m a vegan and I absolutely adore cooking shows and competitions- think Masterchef and shows on Food Network like Beat Bobby Flay. But I was thinking the other day about how usually a mandatory ingredient in those episodes are a cut of meat or type of cheese and you don\\u2019t often see a vegan competing ... |
"Full disclosure, I am vegan and have been for many years. I believe that it is important to show the reality of the industry to people that might otherwise not know so they can make informed moral decisions. \\n\\nSomeone recently linked me to a street auditing video where interaction with some vegan street activism... |
"I see a lot of vegans claiming that a vegan diet is 'natural' (meaning it is what we would eat in nature). But in deciduous places such as Europe the only natural food other than meat would be things such as berrys, nuts, etc; and those things only grow at certain times in the year. So how would we have survived wit... |
"Is the author trying to avoid some kind of overly-excitable profanity filter? Is it a PC thing? Serious question, I'm new to this sub and I don't get it.", |
" Okay so mic the vegan made a video responding to \\"what I've learned\\".\\n\\n(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\\\\_83-G6fwmgg)(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_83-G6fwmgg)\\n\\nBut there's this comment which suggests that mike got some of the details wrong-\\n\\n\\" Mike cited this Review that actually shows Pro... |
"I have been a vegan for almost two years and I was traveling in a train through the English countryside. I would often see these huge fields with 10-12 sheep/cattle eating grass, sleeping, lying down etc which seemed reasonably happy with their lives. So my friend (who I have tried to convert to veganism) said to me... |
"When someone can\\u2019t go vegan or stops being vegan for health issues, vegans like to point out that \\u201cthe academy of dietetics and nutrition have conducted a study which proves a well planned vegan diet is appropriate for all stages of life and meets nutritional requirements\\u201d\\nHowever, it doesn\\u201... |
"Listen I'm a huge fan of Ed Earthing even I'm not a vegan, there are some good topics on connotation with animal ethics to live and justified anti-violence. He's an activist on animal ethics because he finds any violence unjustified, which sounds great message about anti-violence that even non-vegans could appreciat... |
"I have this one \\n(https://animalvisuals.org/projects/1mc/)(https://animalvisuals.org/projects/1mc/) \\n\\n\\nBut it doesn't show how it's calculating deaths for cows. Is there a more supported study?", |
"Basically title. Many insects and small rodents are killed in the farming process. Even natural pesticides are extremely toxic and in a lot of cases are not superior in any reasonable format. Why is this ignored?", |
"I see their points but I still feel it's twisting and altering the definition of veganism to make it suit an antinatalist agenda in which animal exploitation is pushed to the back while resource use is pushed to the front of the argument. I'm antinatalist my self for entirely personal reason that have nothing to do ... |
"A big part of why I started supporting veganism and animal liberation is (among other things) the climate change aspect. I heard about cows emitting a lot of methane, so it seems logical to support stopping the meat and milk industry. \\n\\n\\nHowever, I have 2 questions about that, that I'd like to get an answer ... |
"I saw a video saying chickens for meat are bred to grow at an unnatural pace. Even if they weren\\u2019t killed wouldn\\u2019t they just suffer having to go through that? Wouldn\\u2019t it be more humane to just not let them suffer?", |
"What are some good things to watch/read for an introduction to veganism?\\nMy friends are fine with talking about veganism, but I'm quite bad, because I get easily frustrated. I want to tell them X is a good place to learn about veganism.", |
"Imagine a forest. Deers live in this forest, but a lot of them are starving and sick because there is not enough food for them.\\n\\nHumans see that the situation is bad.\\n\\nFirst human: Don't do anything, just leave the animals alone. They have only one right: the right to be left alone.\\n\\nSecond human: Are yo... |
"It looks and feels better, it\\u2019s sustainable and organic. It does a better job than the synthetic vegan crap. I\\u2019m NOT talking about skinning a snow leopard here; I\\u2019m talking about coyote pelts from culls, lambskins as a byproduct of raising sheep/lamb, deer skins from hunts, etc. etc.\\n\\n*The ques... |
"I\\u2019m half expecting the vegan half of this sub to say \\u201cof course it\\u2019s better to eat the plant based alternatives! It\\u2019s plant based and full of goodness!\\u201d And the omnivore side of it to say \\u201cmeat is better as it\\u2019s not all processed with chemicals etc.\\u201d\\n\\nIt\\u2019s a ... |
"What do you think about the increasing prevalence of this sentiment? Is it a legitimate threat to our movement? I have seen it solely on \\"social-justice\\" blogs, instagrams and other social media platforms. It truly baffles me that someone who prides themselves on being so aware of injustice can dismiss veganism ... |
"I keep seeing posts making claims that 'you can't be X unless your a vegan', or saying 'you can't be vegan unless you're also X'\\n\\nAnd honestly I agree. How can I say it is a good thing for me to have strong convictions about how animals are treated, while I have zero convictions about how our planet/other people... |
"Mined fertilizer ingredients (rock phosphate, potash) are - well from mining. This impacts the environment isn\\u2019t sustainable and negatively affects animals and humans.\\n\\nI have seen many \\u201cvegan fertilizer\\u201d products with mined ingredients - this amounts to \\u201cvegan washing\\u201d these produ... |
"Could becoming vegan as a whole singlehandedly save the environment if veganism becomes a bigger trend in the future? \\n\\nThe climate is dying, and that's really sad, I hope people realize it and start to become vegan: and I hope veganism can make a positive impact on the climate well enough to curve the loss the ... |
"I thought that this sub might know the answer to my question.\\n\\nI neither like nor dislike PETA. In fact (as a vegan) I know surprisingly little about them. I constantly see PETA being made fun of or criticized, but I'm not sure where this criticism is coming from. Apparently they lie, exaggerate, and scam people... |
"There seems to be a lot of ex-vegans in /r/zerocarb like a really high amount of them. I also have 3 ladies at my work who are 10+ year vegetarian and they are all back eating meat because of health issues, described mostly as autoimmune issues... is long term veganism simply not possible? We have entire vegetarian ... |
"Have a positive, and compelling, argument for your beliefs.\\n\\nIt's really that simple. Understand the ethical case for your position and state it clearly.\\n\\nThings that don't work.\\n\\n-Equating animals to humans.-\\n\\nThis should be obvious but it's a regularly repeated double standard. The other animals ar... |
"A few posts from /r/vegan have made it to /r/all. The subject of these posts usually involves mocking omnivores or discussing how much better vegans are. This gives all meat-reduced diets a bad name and turns people away.\\n\\nI'm very concerned that Reddit's vegan and vegetarian communities would rather be an exclu... |
"Sorry I don't know how to word it exactly but I was curious if what I'm growing is vegan. I use animal manure, and sometimes other animal products like ground bone instead of chemical fertilizers. Does this make the veggies I'm growing not vegan?", |
"There is a video titled Grass Fed Beef Slaughter (you have to verify your age on youtube to watch).\\n\\nDo you think if people were shown footage where animals are killed as humanly as possible, they would be upset and disgusted, the same way they are when they are shown the usual footage by vegan activists?\\n\\nW... |
"When did the use of the word 'transition' become established in discourses around veganism? Particularly used in phrases like 'I transitioned to veganism in 2016' or 'I'm currently transitioning to being a vegan'. I've looked through personal accounts of veganism through the decades in magazines and books and have o... |
"I've seen so many posts by PETA and others about how its unethical, wrong and murder to eat meat, use wool/fur, have pets, etc. while simultaneously applauding abortion as \\"a choice\\".\\n\\nYou can't make a human life a choice and an animal life something that is more valuable than a human.", |
"I've seen a lot of overlap in products that are vegan and products that are non-GMO. Is there a lot of demand for this or is it another vegan/health conscious stereotype? ", |
"Hi and Happy New Year. I have a question that I was hoping a vegan could help with.\\n\\nIn terms of animal cruelty, there\\u2019s no doubt in my mind that a vegan diet means that you aren\\u2019t complicit in the deaths of livestock. But it means more and more people are relying on crops - which it could be argued... |
"I\\u2019m not a vegan but I was wondering about what y\\u2019all consider to be reasonable self defense. So if I am hiking and a rabid coyote starts to run at me and tries to bite me, can I shoot it?\\n\\nI personally think this is fine as the animal is already going to die from the rabies and I don\\u2019t have to ... |
"I just realized i\\u2019m arguing with 3 separate people over bivalve sentience level\\u2019s in attempt to get a \\u201cgot you vegan\\u201d moment when I really don\\u2019t even care. I abstain from eating them as a precaution. But my argument is that if we were to ignore bivalves, what is stopping you from eating... |
"Before anything, I'm a vegan, but I struggle to understand why animal sanctuaries function the way they do.\\nWhen I went vegan I was all in for animal sanctuaries, I offered myself to volunteer at one that was in a town I was going to visit for a couple of days, after I read in their FB page how exhausting was to c... |
"This is topical now, and probably of interest to explore how vegans think about Veganism.\\n\\nThere are a few meat-eater friends of mine who go to vegan restaurants while I'm around, they always pick the most meat-like vegan food. It's appreciable that no animals are harmed in the process but the intent to eat meat... |
"Vegan most of my life, and it has always been very very easy for me, I have never enjoyed eating animal products, nor have I ever craved them. I\\u2019ve always been healthy with no illness or physical issues. I used to think people who said they need meat to feel good, or to be healthy were in denial.\\n\\nBut by ... |
"A year ago I was 375lbs my blood pressure was 175/105 and fasting glucose was 135.\\nI joined /r/zerocarb and started eating only meat and drinking water.\\nI'm down to 265 my blood pressure is 119/75 and my fasting glucose is 75.\\n\\nI'm curious about your input/questions about my past year or results.", |
"\\"Don't ask me why I'm vegan, ask yourself why you aren't.\\" :P", |
"Me and my missus have been debating this for a long time now, the same goes for animal medicines so on and so fourth ", |
"I am a vegan myself but when I think about veganism as a mean to avoid unnecessary animal suffering, from a philosophical perspective, I run into an issue.\\n\\nSome animals are killed when growing crops, vegetables and fruit too, so if we are willing to give up the enjoyment of eating meat to save animal lives, why... |
"If pharmaceutics don't experiments with them, what will be the solution? i think the human cares and life it's an important thing,but how can we maintain a balance between the pharmaceutical benefits for our health and the animal life?", |
"What is your stance on the use of manure? It is no longer a waste product. It's a commodity. What about the use of blood, fish, and bonemeal as fertilizer? Do vegans avoid such produce? Could large populations be sustained on produce without large animal farms? Could we produce enough cotton and linnen for clothing?... |
"I haven't researched the stats in a long time but when I first started looking into this stuff many years ago, it was said that something like 50Billion animals where killed a year for human eating.\\n\\nObviously, if the world transitions to vegan, these 50B will mostly be culled. Maybe some can be rewilded but pro... |
"So, I'm not a vegan. I believe that eating animals is morally justified. **HOWEVER**, I think this entirely hinges on whether animals qualify as deserving of rights. If animals have rights (as they would for example in a suffering-based utilitarian rights system), I think it plainly follows that not only is vegan... |
"I feel like veganism often overlooks the human suffering behind consumption. If the central maxim of veganism is to reduce or eliminate suffering, shouldn't that extend to humans to the same extent (if not greater extent) as animals? However vegans do not necessarily consider fair labor standards, occupational safet... |
"I'm up with veganism up until its about not using objects that were created by insects or that harm insects. First off, many, many insects die from pesticides for vegetables as it is.\\n\\nMost insects don't even have noiception, which is just the reflex-like device insects have, otherwise the first part required in... |
"https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/08/pig-organs-for-humans/536307/\\n\\nI am pretty sure there will be a huge backlash against vegans if vegans were to protest against it, further reinforcing its crazy cult status. But the whole thing reiterates the idea of commodifying animals and the speciecist view... |
"Most vegan leather today is currently made from PVC or PU. \\n\\nIt's been said that PVC is an emerging toxic plastic, extremely harmful for the environment, and PU comes from fossil fuels, and producing PU is not yet entirely non-toxic. \\n\\nQuite a dilemma here: should I appreciate the fact that no animal was ... |
"Best Speech Ever Commentary", |
"Eating meat is usually perceived as being more masculine than abstaining from eating meat, but does physical evidence really support these perceptions?\\n\\nMeat-eating men have lower testosterone, more flaccid penises, and more repulsive body odor, as judged by heterosexual women. Are these the traits most usually ... |
"What is the justification for treating the unnecessary, human caused suffering of animals as equal to the unnecessary, human caused suffering of other humans? Humans and animals are not equal so by what authority should we treat their unnecessary, harm caused suffering as equal.\\n\\nThe authority to generate morali... |
"I won't ask that you take parts on the whole yt drama thing, I'll just ask for you to read PV's article on NTT (here)(https://philosophicalvegan.com/wiki/index.php/NameTheTrait) (which explains NTT, shows how it doesn't lead to veganism, and reinforces it to make it \\"meat proof\\" I guess)\\n\\nAnd then, I'll kind... |
"The time for debate us over, join me my fellow vegans if you heed that call, in the extermination of the reptilian carnist threat. I am not at all a hardstuck, bored madperson typing this from bed. OFWGKTA praise trans-species Jesus. Apeople.", |
"Ok so let me preface this by saying I\\u2019ll be 4 years vegan in April so I definitely think veganism is worthwhile. I\\u2019ve come across this critique that veganism is racist a lot on twitter and in my graduate department (I\\u2019ve gotten a surprising amount of rudeness and I\\u2019m not like an activist or a... |
"\\nThis isn\\u2019t a huge deal but it\\u2019s been bugging me. Is the concept of anthropomorphism inherently speciest? I have really bad moral OCD where I am constantly thinking about the morality of my actions. For example, one of my favorite games of the decade is Hollow Knight. For those of you who don\\u2019t k... |
"I have seen a hash tag that asks people to name the traits that if absent in a human would allow them to be eaten. If a person doesn't have an answer then the conclusion says if we cannot name a trait we must not eat animals and thus are morally obligated to be vegan.\\n\\nHowever, if I were to say the same thing ab... |
"We polled almost 1,000 18- to 35-year-olds about their attitudes on sex on the first date and whether they've actually done it! 6XABuT", |
"I'm very tired so sorry if this doesn't make a lot of sense. But I've never really gotten veganism. Like how is avoiding animal products saving animals? You realise any reputable market will buy from good farmers and butchers because what no one seems to realise is that if animals are stressed and afraid when they d... |
"Cats, unlike humans, *are* obligate carnivores. I understand that some vegans take the view that even having pets would be considered restricting the autonomy of them, but I'm sure the majority would like to keep our furry friends. Animals need to die to feed them, and since humans provide food for their pets, it se... |
"I have a protein and iron deficiency. I have allergies to legumes, all nuts, soy, tofu, and most things vegan. I can't swallow pills because my gag reflex. My doctor suggests a meat diet because I need the protein.\\n (Wouldn't turn vegan either way, and don't say watch Dominion or Don't watch.org because I did. It ... |
"As a long-time vegetarian, whenever I've tried being vegan, I've hated it. Here's why:\\n\\n* The food - I'm a pretty good cook, and I make a number of decent vegan dishes. However, eating only vegan gets pretty old after a while, and I crave dishes with a bit of butter, cheese, etc. Vegan dishes that imitate non-ve... |
"If so, why. Few bees die due to them being in a safe place and it actually benefits the local environment, and the bees are not hurt", |
"So veganism is the rejection of commodifying animals. For this reason I don't believe pet ownership to be vegan.\\n\\n1) It is very rare to acquire a pet without transactional means. Even if the pet is a rescue or given by someone who doesn't want it, it is still being treated as a object being passed from one perso... |
"It feels like everyday there is a post in r/vegan where someone is asking for advice with dating a non-vegan. Pretty much every comment that follows is the classic reddit advice of just leave them. I think this is a pretty short-sighted outlook and I\\u2019m going to explain why.\\n\\nI should add that I\\u2019ve be... |
"which is better being a meat eater but actively helping the environment and society ( let say actively cleaning the coast area or rescuing stray animals , building recycable habitats for humanities) or becoming vegan because they are shallow and just doing it for fame and body figure", |
"Hi all, I'm going to start out by saying that I am a vegan and I also have an environmental science degree.\\n\\nI know too well how invasive species cause massive problems for ecosystems and can cause certain species to go extinct very easily.\\nCommon practice is to cull these species to maintain ecosystem stabili... |
"I fully believe that vegans are more moral in their ideals than non-vegans. I've seen anecdotally that some vegans might act more rude than their counterparts but I'll write that off as controversial people in any group being the most vocal and present in discussions. Besides, it shows that they actually care about ... |
"An argument I hear a lot from religious friends is that God placed animals on this Earth for them to consume. Therefore, it is not morally wrong to be an omnivore.\\n\\nNow, in a discussion about veganism, I would have found it fruitless to then change the subject to whether or not God exists, so I would leave it at... |
"I don't eat meat for the taste but for health reasons. I live a very active life style which includes regular weight lifting. There is no plant protein equivalent to that of meat. Especially in regards to the anabolic response of animal protein on skeletal muscle (Study:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26224750).... |
"Not a vegan but I understand (though don't personally agree with) some of the moral philosophies behind it and am not here to pick a fight.\\n\\nOk, preamble aside.\\n\\n>honeybees are the world's most important commercial\\u00a0pollinator\\u2014the\\u00a0Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations estim... |
"My uncle owns a small, isolated farm in rural Maryland. He raises cows for milk and chickens for eggs, and very rarely will he kill an animal. (This is all, generally, for himself and for immediate family.) \\n\\nWhen I was 15 my family and I visited him in Maryland and took us for a tour of the farm. The last place... |
"Hello. I support veganism pretty much wholesale already. I just have one small question.\\n\\nI think we can all agree that animal agriculture is sucks for the planet. According to (ourworldindata.org)(https://ourworldindata.org), 77% of agricultural land is used for livestock, while 23% is used for plant-based food... |
"(Here)(http://www.peta.org.uk/blog/peta-warhammer-fur-free/) is the explanation from PETA about this subject.\\n\\nA few notes :\\n\\n* I know that PETA is not representative of the values vegan community. Especially not with this subreddit.\\n* I am vegan. This shouldn't have any place here but I don't want respons... |
"If your vegan and say because it\\u2019s healthy, if we had a magical pill that stoped anything bad from happening to you (cancer and stuff) would you eat meat\\n\\nAnd if your a vegan because of animal suffering,\\nWould you eat meat if we turned cows unsentient\\n", |
"I\\u2019ve been with a handful of both vegetarians and meat eaters and there\\u2019s a clear difference in sexual performance. The vegetarians are very energetic, longer lasting, are able to maintain an erection, and smell better. The meat eaters on the other hand, and these weren\\u2019t out of shape people or peop... |
"I'll start off by saying I know this is not every vegan. I have come across many ethical vegans on this sub that find it correct to equate humans to animals and thus argue \\"Would you do this to a human? Would you rape, eat, or enslave a human? If not, why do this to an animal?\\" This is an is/ought fallacy but my... |
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