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	==Phrack Magazine==

	Volume Four, Issue Forty-Four, File 23 of 27

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	The LOD Communications Underground H/P BBS Message Base Project:
	Information and Order Form File Version #2, 7/30/93


	This file contains:

	- Background information on the project;
	- Excerpts from Computer underground Digest (CuD) Issue #5.39;
	- UPDATED FAQ AND PRICING; and,
	- UPDATED Order form and stipulations.

	This is an update of Version #1 of this file. A change in pricing
	structure (to your benefit) has been made along with some additions to the
	FAQ among other things. All sections that have been changed/updated are
	bordered by 3 asterisks (* ___ *). Please take the time to read through
	the updates. Sections without asterisks have not been changed and are
	essentially the same as in Version #1. This file is approximately ten pages
	in length (28K) and should answer all of your questions.


	The Project:
	------------

	Throughout history, physical objects have been preserved for posterity for
	the benefit of the next generation of humans. Cyberspace, however, isn't very
	physical; data contained on floppy diskettes has a finite lifetime as does the
	technology to retrieve that data. The earliest underground hacker bulletin
	board systems operated at a time when TRS-80s, Commodore 64s, and Apple ][s
	were state-of-the-art. Today, it is difficult to find anyone who has one of
	these machines in operating condition, not to mention the brain cells left to
	recall how to operate them. :-(

	LOD Communications has created a historical library of the "dark" portion of
	Cyberspace. The project's goal is to acquire as much information as possible
	from underground Hack/Phreak (H/P) bulletin boards that were in operation
	during a decade long period, dating from the beginnings (in 1980/81 with 8BBS
	and MOM: Modem Over Manhattan) to the legendary OSUNY, Plover-NET, Legion of
	Doom!, Metal Shop, etc. up through the Phoenix Project circa 1989/90.
	Currently, messages from over 50 different BBSes have been retrieved, although
	very few message bases are 100% complete. However, not having a complete "set"
	does not diminish their value.


	Who Benefits From This Information?:
	------------------------------------

	- PARTICIPANTS who were on the various H/P BBSes may want to see their
	contribution to history or reminisce about the "golden era" of hacking;

	- ENTHUSIASTS who came into the "scene" after most of these boards were
	down may want to see what they missed;

	- COMPANIES who may want to see if their (or their competitors') phone
	systems, computers, or networks were compromised;

	- SECURITY PROFESSIONALS/LAW ENFORCEMENT who may want to see what
	techniques were used to subvert computer security systems;

	- SCHOOLS AND UNIVERSITIES (including their libraries) who may want to
	use the information for research in sociology or computer science as
	well as for educational purposes in courses such as Computer Law,
	Computer Ethics, and Computer Security;

	- AUTHORS/PRESS who may want to finally get the facts straight about
	"hackers"; and,

	- THE CURIOUS PUBLIC who may want to sneak a peek into the inner realm of
	the Computer Underground, especially those Restricted Access BBSes and
	their Private sub-boards where only a small handful of "the best"
	resided.

	Were the individuals involved in the Computer Underground out to start World
	War III, selling secrets to the Soviets, working with organized crime,
	conspiring to do evil, or just a bunch of bored teenagers with nothing better
	to do? How much did they know, and how did they find it out? Did they have
	the capability to shut down phone service of Area Code portions? Could
	they ruin someone's credit? Could they "move satellites in the heavens?"
	Could they monitor packet switching network conversations or YOUR
	conversations? The answers lie within the messages themselves.


	* Why is LODCOM Charging Money For The Message Bases?: *
	------------------------------------------------------------

	As happens with most projects, the effort and monetary investment turned
	out to be substantially more than originally anticipated. With all of the
	high-tech equipment available today, people sometimes forget that in the early
	1980s, 14.4K baud modems and 250 MB hard drives were just a fantasy for the
	home computer user. Most messages Lodcom has recovered were downloaded at 300
	baud onto 143K disk drives, with each file usually no larger than 15K in size.
	One could not call a BBS and download the complete message base in 10 minutes
	and save it into one file. Literally hundreds of man-hours have been spent
	copying dusty Apple ][ disks, transferring them to IBM (or typing in hard
	copy versions when electronic versions were unavailable), organizing over one
	thousand individual files (thus far) according to what BBS the messages were
	originally posted on, and splicing the files together. Also, after consulting
	with the appropriate civil liberties organizations and our own legal counsel,
	a slight editing of the messages (restricted to long distance access codes,
	phone numbers, and computer passwords) had to be made to ensure that there is
	nothing illegal contained within the messages. Every effort was made to keep
	the messages in their pristine condition: 40 columns, ALL CAPS, spelling
	errors, offensive language, inaccuracies of various kinds, and ALL.

	Although a fairly comprehensive collection of the goings-on during a decade
	of public and private computer underground activity has been accomplished,
	there are more messages out there. It is our wish to continue to document the
	History of the Computer Underground. In order to do this, and in order to
	break even on what resources have already been expended (it is a LOT more than
	most people realize), a dollar value has been attached to the entire
	compilation of message bases (ie, all Volumes combined). Without your
	understanding and support, this effort may not be able to sustain itself long
	enough to complete the project. A large portion of any profits will be
	recycled for two other projects in the works, whose aim is to provide
	additional historical background on the Computer Underground Community. That
	is, no one involved is quitting their day job :-)

	DONATIONS: A portion of every order will be donated to the following causes:

	1) A donation will be made to help pay for Craig Neidorf's
	(Knight Lightning - Metal Shop Private Co-Sysop) Legal Defense
	bills (resulting from his successful campaign to protect First
	Amendment rights for electronic publishing, i.e. the
	PHRACK/E911 case).

	2) The SotMESC Scholarship Fund. The SotMESC Scholarship is
	awarded to students writing exceptional papers of 20 to 30
	pages on a topic based on computer culture (ie, hacking
	culture, virus writing culture, Internet culture, etc.) For
	more details write: SotMESC PO BOX 573 Long Beach, MS 39560
	or email: rejones@seabass.st.usm.edu


	What Each "Message Base File" Contains:
	---------------------------------------

	- A two page general message explaining H/P BBS terminology and format.

	- The BBS Pro-Phile: A historical background and description of the BBS
	either written by the original system operator(s) or those who actually
	called the BBS when it was in operation (it took months to track the
	appropriate people down and get them to write these specifically for
	this project; lesser known BBSes may not contain a Pro-Phile);

	- Messages posted to the BBS (i.e. the Message Base);

	- Downloaded Userlists if available; and

	- Hacking tutorials a.k.a. "G-Philes" that were on-line if available.

	It is anticipated that most people who are interested in the message bases
	have never heard of a lot of the BBS names shown in the listing. If you have
	seen one set of messages, you have NOT seen them ALL. Each system had a
	unique personality, set of users, and each has something different to offer.


	Formats the Message Base Files are Available in:
	------------------------------------------------

	Due to the large size of the Message Base Files, they will be compressed
	using the format of your choice. Please note that Lodcom does NOT include the
	compression/uncompression program (PKZIP, PAK, etc.). ASCII (uncompressed)
	files will be provided for $5.00 extra to cover additional diskette (files
	that are uncompressed require more than double the number of diskettes) and
	shipping costs. The files are available for:

	- IBM (5.25 or 3.5 inch)
	- AMIGA (3.5 inch)
	- APPLE MACINTOSH (3.5 inch)
	- PAPER versions can be ordered but cost triple (due to increased shipping
	costs, time to print order, and messages being in 40 column format and
	therefore wasting lots of paper...save those trees!). Paper versions
	take twice the time to deliver but are laser printed.

	Orders are expected to arrive at the requesters' physical mail box in 3-5
	weeks upon receipt of the order.


	* FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions): *
	------------------------------------------

	QUESTION: In VERSION #1 of this file a minimum order size of $20.00 was
	required but I don't see that in this version. Also all the
	individual Message Bases had a price. Why the change?

	ANSWER: After disseminating the first version of this information file, we
	received a very good response as far as orders are concerned. Since
	our goal is to recoup the expenses incurred (and still incurring)
	on this project rather than 'fleece the masses' it was decided to
	lower the overall price which translates to offering more files for
	the same old price. That is, you will receive ALL Volumes of this
	project for $39.00 rather than just the 1st Volume as was mentioned
	in the last release of this information file. As for the minimum
	order ($20.00), since EVERYONE who has thus far ordered the Message
	Bases ordered the complete volume (was Volume #1 only, now it's all
	volumes) rather than individual message bases, we decided to do
	away with individual Message Base pricing due to lack of demand.

	QUESTION: How many Volumes will Lodcom be releasing?

	ANSWER: Three Volumes minimum, possibly a fourth if additional material
	is obtained. There are still a few contributors who have material
	that hasn't been sent to us yet. The expected release of future
	Volumes are:

	Volume 1: 5700+ Messages, 20 H/P BBSes, COMPLETED.
	Volume 2: 15-25 H/P BBSes, September 1993.
	Volume 3: 15-25 H/P BBSes, November 1993.
	Volume 4: If there is one, End of December 1993.
	All in all there is expected to be 15000+ Messages.

	QUESTION: How long will these Message Base Files be available?

	ANSWER: We cannot say for sure. This is an ongoing effort and your support
	will allow us to continue until we are satisfied with having
	recovered the last decent scraps of messages out there. Assuming
	there is a demand for these messages, all H/P BBSes of WORTH (i.e.
	NON-"codez" and NON-"warez" systems) are expected to be offered by
	the end of this year (1993). A Guesstimate of what will be
	offered is 60 to 80 Message Bases, half of which will be rather
	partial. Orders are expected to be filled at least into the
	beginning of next year (1994) although this may change. Regardless,
	we will send out notification well in advance of ceasing operations.

	QUESTION: I ordered Volume #1 already, is your new pricing retroactive?

	ANSWER: Yes. If you have already ordered Volume #1, when the next Volume
	is completed it will be sent out to you without any action on your
	part. If you change mailing addresses be sure to notify us. Think
	of this as a Subscription of sorts. Order now and all completed
	Volumes will be sent to you. When another Volume is finished it
	will be sent out automatically. If it wasn't for all of you who
	have already ordered and showed your support, we would not be able
	to offer ALL the Volumes for what you paid for the first Volume.

	QUESTION: What if lodcom obtains more messages from a BBS or BBSes after
	a Volume has been shipped to me, will I get those messages also?

	ANSWER: Yes. Any additional messages to a H/P BBS that we obtain after
	shipping that BBS file to you will be sent to you either via email
	or via snail mail on another diskette.

	QUESTION: I would really like to get a feel for what a few of the
	boards were like before I order them. Can I get more info?

	ANSWER: Yes. A Sample of actual messages is available by performing the
	following, so long as you have TELNET access to the Internet:

	Telnet to: phantom.com (or) 198.67.3.2
	Type: mindvox [To enter the Mindvox system]
	login as: guest [To look around]
	At prompt: finger lodcom [To see our Sample Messages File]

	If you do not have TELNET access to the Internet, AND your host will NOT
	"bounce" a 50K file, Lodcom will send you the Sample Messages File if you
	specifically request it. The file has 31 fairly typical messages from Five
	H/P BBSes that operated between 1983 and 1989.

	QUESTION: "Can I help out? I have some old messages" (either on a C64,
	Apple, IBM [best for us], or printout).

	ANSWER: Contact us ASAP! We will work out an equitable agreement depending
	on the quantity, quality, format, and "ancientness" of the
	messages. Your contribution will not go unrecognized.

	QUESTION: I would like another person's point of view on this project
	before I decide to order. Where can I get more information?

	ANSWER: See the following excerpt from Cud #5.39. We also list where you
	can get the original CuD issue which also includes an interview and
	some BBS Pro-philes.


	* CuD Excerpts: *
	---------------------

	Computer underground Digest Sun May 30 1993 Volume 5 : Issue 39
	ISSN 1004-042X

	Editors: Jim Thomas and Gordon Meyer (TK0JUT2@NIU.BITNET)

	CONTENTS, #5.39 (May 30 1993)
	File 1--The LOD Files - A CuD Critique
	File 2--Histories of BBSes (excerpts from the LOD files)
	File 3--LOD Project Summary and Contact Information
	File 4--An Interview with the LOD

	Cu-Digest is a weekly electronic journal/newsletter.
	Issues of CuD can be found in the Usenet comp.society.cu-digest news group.
	U.S. Anonymous FTP: ftp.eff.org (192.88.144.4) in /pub/cud directory.
	Back issues may be obtained through mailserver at: server@blackwlf.mese.com

	* {The following excerpts are from CuD #5.39 File 1, CuD's Critique} *

	"...Lest there be any confusion, there remains only one LOD, most of its
	original members are in periodic contact, they have long since become
	adults, and there is no relationship between the original LOD and any
	recent individuals or groups claiming the name.

	But who really cares??

	CuD, for one cares. The original LOD remains a cultural icon of the
	1980s in computer culture, and--for better or worse--it was the most
	influential and imitated group whose mystique continues into the
	mid-90s. This alone is hardly sufficient reason to worry about a
	label. The identity is important because the original members are
	becoming involved in projects that reflects their activities of a
	decade ago, and it becomes confusing when others scurry about trying
	to associate with that identity. If questions of identity arise,
	confusion over and doubts about the credibility of the projects arise.

	One current LOD project has impressed us. The original LOD members are
	compiling logs from a number of the premier "hacker underground BBSes"
	of the 1980s. We have obtained excerpts from the project, and we are
	impressed with the professionalism and comprehensiveness of the material.

	Working collectively under the name "LOD Communications," former members have
	scoured their archive for BBS logs from the mid-to-late 1980s. The logs
	include BBSes such as OSUNY, Twilight Zone, Forgotten Realm, Black Ice
	Private, Phoenix Project, Face to Face, Alliance, and Plover-NET, among
	others. Many were the primary boards of the era, and others typify secondary
	levels of the culture. Both singly and in the aggregate, the collection
	provides an unprecedented view into a culture that most of us only read about
	in "Cyberpunk" or "The Hacker Crackdown."

	We like the material for several reasons. First, as researchers, we find even
	the limited material we have seen to date as a rich source of data for anybody
	who wants to understand the culture of time. It is as if somebody had walked
	though San Francisco's Haight-Ashbury district with a video-cam during the
	"Summer of Love" and then released the tapes years later. It's an
	anthropologists dream, a sociologists data trove, and a historian's archival
	orgasm. Even law enforcement and security personnel would find it helpful for
	demystifying many of the misconceptions of "hackers." For others, it's
	simply fun reading.

	The logs are sufficiently entertaining and useful when each board is
	read individually. However, the power of the collection comes in
	reading them as chapters in a novel, as segments at different points
	in time that combine to give the individual posters and the boards a
	personality. We find ourselves wanting to know more about some of
	these people: How did they resolve their problems? Who was the alleged
	informant on a given board? Can we spot them from the posts? How did
	that poster resolve his problems? What happened to these people later?

	Many of the logs' posts are flattering, others are less so. To their credit,
	the lodcom editors have left it all intact to let the readers see and judge
	for themselves what occurred on the underground boards. The LOD collection
	provides an authentic look into what went on, and reading them gave us a
	feeling of deja vous all over again."

	* {End CuD #5.39 Excerpts} *


	VOLUME #1 CONTENTS:
	-------------------

	LOD Communications (c) 1993: VOLUME #1 List of Hack/Phreak BBS Message Bases
	----------------------------------------------------------------------------
	BBS NAME A/C SYSOP(S) # MSGS DATES KBYTES PROPHILE
	----------------------------------------------------------------------------
	Alliance BBS 618 Phantom Phreaker 113 2/09/86 - 215 YES
	Doom Prophet G,P 6/30/86

	Black Ice Private 703 The Highwayman 880 12/1/88 - 560 YES
	P,U 5/13/89

	Broadway Show/ 718 Broadway Hacker 180 9/29/85 - 99 YES
	Radio Station BBS 12/27/85

	CIA BBS 201 CIA Director 30 5/02/84 - 30 NO
	6/08/84

	C.O.P.S. 305 Mr. Byte-Zap 227 11/5/83 - 196 YES
	The Mechanic G,R,U 7/16/84

	Face To Face 713 Montressor 572 11/26/90 - 400 YES
	Doc Holiday 12/26/90

	Farmers Of Doom 303 Mark Tabas 41 2/20/85 - 124 YES
	G 3/01/85

	Forgotten Realm 618 Crimson Death 166 3/08/88 - 163 NO
	4/24/88

	Legion Of Doom! 305 Lex Luthor 194 3/19/84 - 283 YES
	Paul Muad'Dib * G,P,U 11/24/84

	Metal Shop Private 314 Taran King 520 4/03/86 - 380 YES
	Knight Lightning P,R,U 5/06/87

	OSUNY 914 Tom Tone 375 7/9/82 - 368 YES
	Milo Phonbil * G,U 4/9/83

	Phoenix Project 512 The Mentor 1118 7/13/88 - 590 YES
	Erik Bloodaxe * G,R 2/07/90

	Plover-NET 516 Quasi Moto 346 1/14/84 - 311 YES
	Lex Luthor * G 5/04/84

	Safehouse 612 Apple Bandit 269 9/15/83 - 251 YES
	G,U 5/17/84

	Sherwood Forest I 212 Magnetic Surfer 92 5/01/84 - 85 YES
	P,U 5/30/84

	Sherwood Forest ][ 914 Creative Cracker 100 4/06/84 - 200 YES
	Bioc Agent 003 * G 7/02/84

	Split Infinity 408 Blue Adept 52 12/21/83 - 36 YES
	1/21/84

	Twilight Phone ??? System Lord 17 9/21/82 - 24 NO
	1/09/83

	Twilight Zone/ 203 The Marauder 108 2/06/85 - 186 YES
	Septic Tank Safe Cracker * G,U 7/24/86

	WOPR 617 Terminal Man 307 5/15/84 - 266 YES
	The Minute Man * G,U 1/12/85
	_____________________________________________________________________________

	NOTES: In SYSOP(S) column, * indicates remote sysop.

	In #msgs column, P indicates that the BBS was Private, R indicates BBS
	was public but restricted access sub-board(s) are included, G indicates
	that SOME (or maybe all) of the G-files written by the sysop and/or
	files that were available on the BBS are included, U indicates that a
	BBS Userlist (typically undated) is included.

	DATES column shows the starting and ending dates for which messages
	were buffered (and therefore available) although there may be some
	gaps in the chronological order.

	KBYTES column shows size of complete file containing messages, g-files,
	userlist, etc. PROPHILE column indicates if a "BBS Pro-Phile" was
	written and is included.

	LODCOM is currently organizing and splicing messages from over 30 more H/P
	BBSes [shown below] and, as the files are completed and/or as additional
	messages are procured for the above systems, updates of this listing will be
	released. Modem Over Manhattan (MOM), 8BBS (213), Mines of Moria (713),
	Pirates Cove (516) sysop: BlackBeard, Catch-22 (617) sysop: Silver Spy, Phreak
	Klass 2600 (806) sysop: The Egyptian Lover, Blottoland (216) sysop:King Blotto,
	Osuny 2 (a.k.a. The Crystal Palace) (914), Split Infinity (408), The Hearing
	Aid, Shadowland (303) sysop: The ShadowMaster, ShadowSpawn (219) sysop: Psychic
	Warlord, IROC (817) sysop: The Silver Sabre, FreeWorld II (301) sysop: Major
	Havoc, Planet Earth (714), Ripco (312) sysop: Dr. Ripco, Hackers Heaven (217)
	sysop: Jedi Warrior, Demon Roach Underground (806) sysop: Swamp Ratte,
	Stronghold East Elite (516) sysop: Slave Driver, Pure Nihilism, 5th Amendment
	(713) sysop: Micron, Newsweek Elite (617) sysop: Micro Man, Lunatic Labs (415)
	sysop: The Mad Alchemist, Laser Beam (314), Hackers Den (718) sysop: Red
	Knight, The Freezer (305) sysop: Mr. Cool, The Boca Harbour (305) sysop: Boca
	Bandit, The Armoury (201) sysop: The Mace, Digital Logic's Data Center (305)
	sysop: Digital Logic, Asgard (201), The KGB, PBS (702), Lost City of Atlantis
	sysop: The Lineman, and more.


	* Hacking/Phreaking Tutorials a.k.a. "G-Philes": *
	------------------------------------------------------

	Along with the above H/P BBS Message Bases, LODCOM has collected many of the
	old "philes" that were written and disseminated over the years. A list of all
	of them would take up too much space here, however, we can tell you that the
	majority are NOT files that were originally written for electronic newsletters
	such as Phrack, PHUN, ATI, etc. (with the perhaps obvious exception of the
	LOD/H Technical Journal). Those files/newsletters are readily available from
	other sources. This hodgepodge includes files that somehow fell out of
	widespread circulation. A Table of Contents of the collection is included but
	the tutorials are all grouped together in four large files of approximately
	250K each.

	UPDATE/ADDITION: A collection of material is being compiled from the H/P
	BBS Message Bases and Files along with other sources that is an organized
	conglomeration of all the writings of all the ex-members of the Legion of
	Doom/Hackers group. It also includes private LOD/H Group sub-board message
	bases that resided on the LOD BBS (1984), Catch-22 (1985), Phoenix Project
	(1988), and Black Ice Private (1988) that were NOT included in those BBSes'
	Message Bases. BBS Messages from before and after each member entered the
	group along with any files they wrote will be organized, by member name,
	into individual files. This is being done more for ourselves than anything
	else as we are curious how much material was created over the years. Note
	that this special collection of files will be sent to you around the same
	time that Volume III is sent out and is free for ordering BOTH, the G-Phile
	Collection mentioned above, and the Message Base Files.


	* The Order Form: *
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	LOD Communications H/P BBS Message Base ORDER FORM
	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

	PERSONAL RATE: Volumes 1, 2, 3, and possibly a fourth if created: $39.00
	This price is total & includes any updates to individual BBS Message Bases.

	COMMERCIAL RATE: Corporations, Universities, Libraries, and Government
	Agencies: $99.00 As above, price is total and includes updates.

	H/P BBS Message Bases (All Volumes): $________

	"G-Phile" Collection (Optional): $____________ ($10.00 Personal)
	($25.00 Commercial)

	Disk Format/Type of Computer: _____________________________________
	(Please be sure to specify diskette size [5.25" or 3.5"] and high/low density)

	File Archive Method (.ZIP [preferred], .ARJ, .LHZ, .Z, .TAR) ____________
	(ASCII [Non-Compressed] add $5.00 to order)

	Texas Residents add 8% Sales Tax.
	If outside North America please add $6.00 for Shipping & Handling.

	Total Amount (In U.S. Dollars): $ ___________

	Payment Method: Check or Money Order please.
	Absolutely NO Credit Cards, even if it's yours :-)

	By purchasing these works, the Purchaser agrees to abide by all applicable U.S.
	Copyright Laws to not distribute or reproduce, electronically or otherwise, in
	part or in whole, any part of the Work(s) without express written permission
	from LOD Communications.

	Send To:
	Name: _____________________________________

	Organization: _____________________________________ (If applicable)

	Street: _____________________________________

	City/State/Zip: _____________________________________

	Country: _____________________________________

	E-mail address: _____________________________________ (If applicable)


	PRIVACY NOTICE: The information provided to LOD Communications is used for
	sending orders and periodic updates to the H/P BBS Message Base Price List.
	It will NOT be given or sold to any other party. Period.


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	Remit To: LOD Communications
	603 W. 13th
	Suite 1A-278
	Austin, Texas USA 78701

	Lodcom can also be contacted via E-mail: lodcom@mindvox.phantom.com
	Voice Mail: 512-448-5098
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