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Speaker A: Welcome to bankless, where we explore the frontier of Internet money and Internet finance. And today on bankless, we're exploring some new frontiers about the future. I think quite frequently in the crypto, web three and bankless content sphere, when we talk about the future that crypto brings, we use frames... |
Speaker B: Thank you so much, David. Good to virtually be here. |
Speaker A: Cheers. Cheers. So I want to open up this conversation, this Dave permissionless with a new perspective that I think it's hard to get a grasp on. When someone goes down the crypto rabbit hole, when they become educated about the power that crypto has bring to the world, it's usually through a lens of discove... |
Speaker B: I'd say so. Well, let's see if I can try to think about the question more deeply, because there definitely are lots of very new things that the crypto space is doing. But sometimes I also feel like even those new things are in some ways not imaginative enough. Right. Like, wait, let's see, what kinds of thin... |
Speaker A: Yeah, I think to summarize what you were saying, we have a lot of tools in the year 2023 in Ethereum, the tools that you talked about that helps support farcaster or the tools that help support the experiment, as Zuzala with Zoopass. So I think what you're saying is a lot of this stuff is kind of ready to go... |
Speaker B: I think it's definitely, yeah, started, evolved quite a bit. Like, I think, I mean, the biggest change that's happened for me over the last ten years is just a slow grind from going from very abstract, being very concrete. Right. If you think about the original vision of Daos back in 2013, it was like very h... |
Speaker A: So inside of all of these different tech landscapes out there, we focus on Deci a lot just now, but also, like, many of the other ones that were at Zuzalo, perhaps, like Aihe and synthetic biology, longevity, all super interesting. Say, for example, Vitalik, that you had a duplicate of yourself, and this dup... |
Speaker B: It's an interesting question. Hmm. I wonder if I could split myself into two copies, what would the other copy be doing? I mean, one option would be doing Zuzalo full time. That would be something one of the copies would probably run off doing. Another would be. |
Speaker A: And so just to say that answers, like, a network state. Network state. |
Speaker B: It'S something that can be kind of made more. It's like a very broad concept. Right. And, like, network state is this very kind of specific meme for a specific set of ideas. And they're kind of. They're adjacent, but it's possible to pull it in a lot of different directions. And I think, in a lot of ways, it... |
Speaker A: What about just for the archetypal web three builder out there? What would you say the current innovation sphere in Ethereum and broader crypto is under indexing that you'd like them to reorient their focus towards? |
Speaker B: That's a good question. Six months ago the answer would have been account abstraction wallets. But now it's fascinating. Pretty much everyone's gone at account abstraction wallet now traveling through East Asia for the past month. And there's been at least like four groups that I've talked to, like, I think ... |
Speaker A: That was a little bit before my time, but, yeah, I remember the hyperledger, the IBM hyper ledger. |
Speaker B: Right? Exactly right. And there are like, a lot of these, and I think these are have mostly failed. And my own view of why there was interest and then why there was failure is that people kind of intuitively felt that there was a bunch of applications where you want some kind of compromise between the centra... |
Speaker A: Well, I don't think anyone listening to this has any doubt that there's plenty of left to build and do in this crypto world. And that was just a fantastic splattering of many different possibilities from many different industries. Vitalik, as we come to a close on this conversation, I want to just turn ourse... |
Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I think to me, the big thing is, like, navigating this tightrope of, like, actually increasing security and actually increasing decentralization at the same time. Right? Like, basically, yeah. Building an ecosystem where it actually is possible for people to, like, put in their money and collec... |
Speaker A: Well, Vitalik, thank you for sparking my, and hopefully everyone else's imaginations about what. What's left to do in this world, because it's. It's quite a lot, which means that we're gonna have a ton of fun doing it along the way. So appreciate you coming in all the way from Asia to beam into permissionles... |
Speaker B: Yeah. Thank you so much, David. It was fun. |
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