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Okay, I don't think I need to tell why I'm asking this. While Python supports functional programming to a reasonable extent, there's a widespread stubborn hatred of functional programming and anything related to it in the Python community (probably starting with the BDFL), and any proposals for extending Python into so... | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-11-11 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTX1NWZEh1YXE2WEpJZEpGZEJDV2Q0bDBLTGZPZ2tkSTl2Q2NxcVN0Zm1KaWRpdkZUeVNLa0RCNnVZSU1oNjNfZFYyZUp2S3lKa3hTbVpreGFfS0Y5QUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFseFpFc0lybjlhNUdzSEVGemFLWHBTWWY3dmxmWnM5WTNFaVdsTUFuVm9QbWdBMmp5M0pQNUU4Rm5td2d0cGJxVkl4Rm9XSndOMFByUUJST0lxSlZRblZWUVZrbnNpQTM2LUhoQWxhVFh0YXN6WXk3YXJDYWlOeGlsai16UFlsRVI2d0diRW1RRzZhNEhLQ09fbjFCVF9GUkQ3SGh4UmJRc2h3LS1lcGZBQVFORVpzOWJuMlJGbU9GLTB5M1BDQmZTMXNhWUdJQ2JjZ2dzUEVXVUF2WEdkZz09 |
>that's the good thing about multi-paradigm languages
I don't think the BDFL is interested in creating a multi-paradigm language. He's much more interested in a 'one obvious consistent Pythonic way of doing everything' language, and that one way historically hasn't been functional. | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-11-11 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTWERURU1zaVZDRjJ2Zld1cWJtMnVCQVZaZGVIdkk3R3pFUWt2d1FJdEpOV1NQMXV3eW1OeHMyNVd0UGNRdkpwZGpWYkFBWWJJMnRZUFlDdkZ2bnZ5a0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsN2J6QnBNZWJHTE1oYTZLa3g0YnNYbmo0UEoxYUVEbFpCOXJMQndwQm1lckpsMEpjNHJEQmQwZFVyVDJoSHY4R0diU09CQ2RyN2JfZWhQYmRlZURFM19BWU5sNm5iVjBJUGJWRnYwS0dqU3ZCempWbmRIUF95bTlUem1VSmJHSTRaWi1Mdzk5aTJjZVpIRk9MZV9lVmNzejYxZ01tUHZyOExwaWxzSXAzelhiUnRSRDdQbXE5QzcxYjdQemZKaTlwc2g4MDBvNTBDdDZiRjdheHc5RFNpdz09 |
Well I am not really part of the Python community, but I am a redditter and this gives me a bit of exposure I suppose.
From my point of view the biggest issue is the way Function Programming zealots approach the table. There is a pre-existing assumption that everything functional is good and everything imperative is b... | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-11-11 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTLVcybkZFQlZNYU5SQXM1TW9Rc2xIREZ5LXJldHZISUhGN1owa1U4bS1ib3BkanJsSVFua08wc05UaXpiZHpKMF9EYnY2Y01VcU9pSUFrQnhobGlWcGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsZ1BGU0UxTU5NalMzZGNpX2xBRzB2Y3VVUmh3QkhFaEFhQS1OZWxKcVhSQVVUNDdiZjByTGt4eU1LMjZ3ZkdQR3RqWHN3dVZoMlNPeUdJT3IxYjFFdWYzdm5CazF0bVNFaFROb2ViQ2VCWHdydlN6Z0hadERZRUgxR3NpZ3NBaVRNUFFhaWp6c1IwNEhPVXBpbDB4WUs1ZExBYjNJXzFiVXBRTFd4MG9mdHdKVi1VdkYzSWtPSU9NeVpMcF8tZUtEdWV4ZzZ1NHBwNDhoNER2SkIyR2dhZz09 |
Besides lack of support for tail calls, which is the only example you give, what makes you think that python doesn't support functional programming? What proposals do you refer to that have been shot down?
My POV: Python spports FP just fine as long as it doesn't conflict with python itself. Remember that Python has: ... | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-11-11 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTMXRDUWw5c3FWT3BrWS1MVzE4QkE4akxWcWtYTnhLd0piOXBfNXJqMWZrankxbElwQ3JIS0liR1dySXF2VmFic2wxdXN3ZTFIN3hSbk5tT0lpX3gxcmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsS296SlphWkJWWmJzSjlsMk44anNoRzNKb0dlZ3dieTZWQmJDNzdkT2R0VWpTTE52SElvZmdNVHJTTUJLeWZMSnh6QmlwZ2V4SmZsVmdnX25PVVZOYk1CWWRGYk8yaVF0Mmk1Skp4REVSaXFkZDdBMmtrNFBUWXpkNHBJNFBPX2Qzc0lfVUhiV1QyZjdJdEVFWG9DbkFKUlgtenZnZDhITkRhai1tWGM1c1RENkVTZ3BOT3dUNEtWbFRNdjZZdFFTRVZzVmFJalVBbzBLLUZyNS1qaHZZdz09 |
"Hostility to functional programming is a form of hostility to abstraction, theoretical correctness and cleanliness"
I don't think the community or the BDFL are hostile to these things, more generally conservate and hostile to certain coding styles.
The Python way is to prefer easy digestability over things like ... | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-11-11 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTTmxiRWdhaUV0aUNIb01JWm1XeXhFQ0lsY3NKeWl2dTdkTjJYd0R4SzVZUUhLdmxtWE9YbWgzSlN2cjZiLXFTTjNXMWdzOGNPa2lsOWFleGJwNk1BclE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsTExuZG91MjU5eFdKeENBaU4tN2ExOFNVWDNuekZyN0YzTS1RYngwWTc4R3BrR05LZ0RIR2hfVldfc1ZrOTJremJyc0YzeTRMVF80ZHBaTWR0Rkh2NlJkMnl6THdNZjlFR2NTSXJDbGtDdXVnNnlOUVVmM1p0VkdCNXlRM3VPQk5DQkpoWGNkNzk0VFVCVy0wSVlVS3VJWktkQnhPcjNyMktCSGt0a1NtcjEtU1NvX0pSUlNtY3pLYmNuaXBaVHRRYUF0Zk05ak1mRHJYNkdnWTExcXFWUT09 |
Well, mostly there seems to be resistance to turning Python into Scheme, because, well, if you like Scheme it's already there for you to use (I'd make a joke here about how a future revision of Scheme should turn non-tail-recursive functions into a compiler error, but I'm afraid somebody would actually think that's a g... | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-11-11 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTUFF0bVZzQjduTnpLVFNydzNYVVo0LVN1UXZqSFFTRkZXaTVPRjNxdml6WnpSWndGZF9tRXc3cXIyWE1XY3lDNlg1blpMMlBWZlFLMTFPd0hLa0dfSnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsX3RFcUFqY0RqWVBtNG0xaUdHSVdGUTU2WXJDQXlOUF9pTThXVEg1S1hFSTI0YnFkZ1RGb1YycF9QWG44Ym5IQzZrMkhXNVI3WXVMNEtsVTZhUVhmdEl6dHJ6al9iQVhFWTY4dWdDVFctMHh2Qm1VTndtcDRaNGY3OTQ0OTR5NGJnZmppM2JtNktPT0N6VE9XOVkyRjVEUHdJLXQ4bHJIajFMTWpHYWRaQjFwUnhpYTdCOTJtREFpYTcwMTZiYU9NZkVoVHBuUTBnT2ozckNiWnF3anhiZz09 |
Have you checked out F#, or should I call it OCaml.NET? It does both OO, imperative, and functional. I like the multi-paradigm languages, although they are harder to learn as there is more than one way to do anything. | r/python | comment | r/Python | 2008-11-11 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTcEQyd19uczM2OEdUNGZBc2RzVWh0bDE1bmppTmZRbXdtRWY0S0dPWDV1QVNTMWtIWGNSSFRkVEVTYWRuamN3ZW5YWmd0VzRoRnd3eFNrREJtWmljbWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsLWVSWFNlUWwyMWJNTXpWdWZaR2czbGxQTnVCcWk3dFNvMXFQSmFVRDFIM0RWdUZJT1dXcUEtNXRHRW5lZU1HaVhxWktwUHBCWFZneGxOSHlET3NKMWMtVW9ONFJhcHN0aUtTRC1COTI3T0FsZERhZGdGS0c3c08zOHhnNVBZdHRZbXduMlkyUjNfVkI3RUpiRll1ZG5JeDFKTkFRNUhhZWNwWTRWV2tDMDFYQWNYNFptQTJXRm1VV0ZJT3dsbVl2bHZJTTBxN3VXZ2JDVk9fNVdmUGIydz09 |
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Generalizing is not helpful no matter what 'side' you think you are on.
| r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTYmhQTTQwOVlhQVNMR1ZSSkZta2gtU2VzMHVEeG11TUUtblFaNF9LSmtSZkJzUV9HSWlaSlk3c2tKeEswbXBRWE9kYUQ4ZjJUSUZUZ25HQnM5a2t5Mmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsLTN3VkNDbW0yRV9HSFlJOGVBQnJUT0tmLXhHVTV4VkxQM0F3LWtKSE5JYWdiWUp1Z0RBTjZPYVVqWjFVUUt3NVRIZUkzcUtORWtpZHlpNlgyenBmMGFVNlJ5RFJRM2lDVkZRUDlMNk5BUDNtOHdadF9fVFpJRndmZ2V2aFhXYWZsTUtzZ0E3VHFMNkg5REhvbWotZ1VGR1UxNGZNcFdwTVlOR0Z5UHJEdmlhNUpIUDF6WmotdFM1bWFjWDhBZVdsV1NMcFNyTFhhMWE0T1JDOFVGVlJpZz09 |
People who know they're right to the exclusion of all else are the ones who are jerks, whether religious or anti-religious. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTYkV6WDN3SENQdEotSlVEYW5XcktSQzJGWEl2Q1VuWDNpZl9NdXNNaDJlSmk3a1R6dEotR204NWlQclg4NzVBWGlYUVJpWU4wSDVsZkpVbXpjTG4yYVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsMXVJdEF3b0dIVHFjbWl3a1dZbjNqUzRqajdGcElVa1d4Nzg2MFMwekVtVDhzS3p1ODgzVlQ5bnJOc3h2Y0tCeGVIM0sxeERsclFXQnlxYm8weWJ2TWdCNHBFOUpLekQ1ODhWMlgxQTdQbEZnekg4ckYza2JUeGR5SmFSMDlEY1ZIWUg5UHRYUDNnS0ZXZ3dfVUxzSHB1Vm9fdThZal9zbDRVUEs5am9nSG8yamNtbkIyRnJSSXRRdjVSVWVSUXJ4REtSUEsxaHN1WFFGTUV3M1c0dkw3UT09 |
To be fair, you're asking a very vague and difficult question.
First, we have to clearly define "God", and the properties such an entity must possess in order to be called "God". It's a dreadfully fuzzy term.
Next, I would need to think long and hard about how an entity with such properties would manifest itself in t... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTY215ZGNPWUtFMGpjNTRpNVRCOUxpQnktOFUwekQ2STZudmVUSmF6ek1uY2J6MUwzYnlULWxyaUVLUGhoQkxRTG1Bd2pMWXBabTBCckZNUER3VXNxa1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsY2dXekJkTTlKZlN1Tl9iT3VQTFV6Z0puRDlmNmdSUHFDUHZZSUIxUFBjc1gxY044cTZBZDJES0Ribmd6NUNLai1RMFpEVFRad05DMHFxNUdvSHA1MFJhYXhrUkxjMG5OeXdldGRJRnYyVzFSZWpTWi0tcFhuZlpRWHRNU08zYlU2Y0Y0V3RHVTFqQ0x4YXlUVXl5ZzFmUXlZNWF5TXVxSWo1aGxmRlJPaFhWSUVxR2Vmelp0WjNCN1AzY1ZxWGVUSXhJcWtybmFOa3Y5bFYwdGZ4WnRTdz09 |
To be fair, all people are jerks... but that's almost excessively cynical. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTOXJaalgyd2cyQnBXdk8yWXlfS2JTOWRqVlhOcUJ2Z3ZNa3ZkWHNhdVBpVmJRZFFZckRiYkNlaGxzR21RVnFPMzc4dFRfR2J1azZ6ckloVE0yRzUwX1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsek9jcjJhdE5XRlQ3eFJCaTlzamdIbExMMldDQnBXM002Z0x6VWN1ak1qbk5Bd3NscnZkSHV5Y3VFRGhFcmdSelVLRXkybEFvSlZwV1FJSEFjT0l2dUxGNUQzZnpER3YxTmJySnFNaUJxZ0RKYjN1UmVjZXFGcXJIZ1o5YVl5enh1VFM5X2hqWjFZa3RSTU9yM1o2UW43anhGbmd1UHVpT25HWDN3TXdBZE5yWjZYMTVNbzZ0aks3UTcxTFk2bklLQmFHVGpFMmlBYV9LYm9GTlVLNW1Udz09 |
If you don't want snappy answers, don't ask stupid questions. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTWmFXWGZMM09sOUVWRFJGYjZsZGs5UXpoTVRoVUhaS2Q0YkRCWk1TUkdCS3hRU2k4aEpRTUJlWGQ1V2Ewa294TVB3TFpVVEhHOE9fY0I3OTZGYjY5NXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsWFByMFhhUFE5cFBqMVZlQkhhWkQtNmM2ejB3SHV1dFo1aHJUekdGVHoyMjRURW00MG4tdk4xek4wZ1V2c1hZU0lsNU9pVFQ4T3VLWGdocHVtV1dKMzBaUWJnWEJTTlRGeGJ4MnNRVGxqY1BHRXVoMm5WZ2FCYmhfdFNUNXoyclBjb2dBNlItUVZWbGxNWmxGd2E0V05QdEhXRTBYOHNRc2ktRjg4WjhUZUl0Qnp5djYtRW9iS1VwQ005aG9JYmp1V2R6cFVxVzVCNkhOa2cybVlIZW1EZz09 |
Christians are jerks, atheists are jerks, people are jerks, etc. This is a lame argument. If you want to criticize atheists, put some thought into.
For example, my main beef with atheists is that **they aren't logical.** They claim to value reason and science above all else, but make every moral decision based on t... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTZEJHOE1EMDA2VlNYVnBIVzRhS1pQWHc3WWZTWVc5cU1aV21qN2c1TmZrQ3R0X3VpaU5UbWpwOUtBbmx4bkYyTHJSblBXd2xDVm1BV2lTS0NyV1dZZGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsUWJMR2NVMVMwNUdjMzluZFktbzFIRWFYMXJ0TDQ3cjh5enl3Wk1GaTg3d3JIR3M4N2ZYY1hJVzhHSEdfTzVfV2thX3V3WWRrNUdOUDJIRVZGYjlFa1Iyc3hxZ1dPYlhQdUt0TW9FdzRmMlBKa1gxM3RNNE5WdEtDZ2VIZnBxaVJ4aXIwNGI1SzB1MVBPT2xwako3UTNhMHZaMXNjNlJJY3VNVV9rcGo3S2ZiVW92d2MzSk1WSnd1cDcweFZHNy1rdEZ5NWhBeHhPcEhmZ0xBalFNMGNKUT09 |
How nice or not you are bears no relation to how right you are. And honestly are atheists jerks? I mean a complete imposition of atheism aims on others would mean a secular government and public sphere with private worship untouched, contrast that to religions which want to regulate people's rights to marry or what the... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTRXZFUE5XcFdEZDJNcVp2d3VTQlpGRVcwSG82LUlQNWFfV1ZCaV85anJqR1Rob1NlRjBsNm5QYVI1Q05sMUlyRHBDQ0lCZ3V3YnVEQnF2WUtybXU2Q1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsX3h3LWxmWTRaZlNVMEp5WE5Oa2xmX1NRUnVucXRLUmNqclpMci00elE4Zjl5VXdQZU5NM0xfTHdVRV9hWG9tWExyUkh0SUJpUVViSDNDZU9QMUUyMHJraW1MTmdUTUJPWGhVZlVyZUFUWW1aX3FVbHFwdzZCOUZYblJtT2VmcDgwNmMxRW1fTllLVGpfV1ZOZ1E3QzlXTnJJNGNOakpuTXhmTENzc1FtTUVtMDhBRVV4a2xTMEhiNnRSc01iS2VxLVlqVWgwSmRUd1U0dmNfMmcwTzlmQT09 |
Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTUDdkQUtDeXh5V3NxSWFfb21zOUpWRkRtYWlCaFBuQ3F4VXpVUFU5R1E3YmtjZk5Rdi1qWm4tendWOEV1MUpyN05fV1pUREt6Rzk4ckhVWExwV1UxYWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsSXUtdXVCZlZPaDFWYkhjQkRwS1hZc1pXWnBvMVpNeWtSSVl3OUEwTGxrdVEtVkpLNWFfR3RCOUFpLXBpOHl2X0UyUEpTaTVtX252eDVwNTRsb29BZmJBOWRxb0pmMjdFdGlUVG9jMTRpUld5V0g3anczVE5MZ2JSNnl3QTEzOWJUb0Zoa2diUkdjWUhRZ2o2Q2djLWpDaS1XME8weTU0NDllNVQyVS1mWXRvS2JQSS1QSDZ2bHdXNzIyeGtDYzV2Ym5TeHZ3ODFuT3U0LW5mQlFHcmNBZz09 |
I would disagree in totality.
For one, emotions exist even though God does not, thus it is impractical to expect an atheist to act as if we didn't have any. We still get happy, sad, and fall in love, and sometimes those emotions are irrational. Who cares, we are still people, right? As long as we are aware of the... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTTlRKbnRkWkpLcTVuRTIyQnpoSlpZNF9FTll5aUkxSXZvcTd4VHBOTXI1UGU1YldvQm5sZmM5MkxwV1B1REIzMEc5UEFMTDBXb2dMUmZIOEI5amNWS2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsdExhRWVraTRwQS1WYVZNOGJXUjRMZ3VpRURNS3FOQ3phajdrY1loOXRFZ2xoeEtrVHZpU1VpcllYWXU2dHFUOVR6WW5UeDNMQUM3b1dzck0zSVRTaWZyV09lY01LRjdPbjlGc3J2Uk9pT3dTa1VzdHgyUTJnTEVtT0RLLWNhQWFJUUJxQjlCVnJZTmNzZ1IxR2pBUE5pOUxEc21hcWh0cjNVSkIyLWZWTFFzMkl2d1RDRmVIX05IbVVzNTNCRGR3bHNEZ19mYmxBV3ZuWkVjWDFWWkR0QT09 |
I'm not sure the question was ever whether or not anyone was a jerk.
No one is going to win an argument saying, "You're wrong because you're a jerk."
That said, we've got to consider the fact that you asked a question so broad as to feel almost inane. You did that on reddit, which often rewards snarky comments. The... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTRlNybnM4RVdZeGwyemw1b3B2OHNrOXM1MTEzSWNQSmh1MmNva21fazlvVERqWmtTaXFPWFg4T0pnblZWV0ppVm5COS1Ebmh1Q0JPWF9ZenBRQWdYbmhyTlh3VWoyV1dWejkwMlpTV2xfVEU9 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsb3RDeDNaYTlWemFIalRmeDE5TTBseE8tT1FxT1pTTlVtalVuelpTMjZDUTlMR3A1V2lGYmpYaDBSSXNld3Zjb3F4R1ZOOWQxOTN1RENiWlZHWUhLcnZaZDlPcXI0eE5fQVBPNW5hMVIxT19FWUZ3am1nVlJmZU1pb0tkaVVjMGJHdXh6NjZpZ0JLOFAwZWRLYllBdkFmTWtxQjdOMDlaRXVpU2lUVEhXOEs1U0FTTExQOFk5c0JHR2ZhX0RFSU9qbVYtZ19pOVVXcFFpaHE1ZmNlQjg3QT09 |
We may be jerks, but at least we're not deluded fascist jerks. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTVXd1WUo4RERlcHhsaWhBQWExMlJPZklqdG9VMXJSQzUyZDVqc3ZxYkpUM1NrZFNDVExvQXU3WkNKQTBhN2xJcTl4QjJsMlYtNTAxYlFock9GYXpUbGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsNXdTRDlpUEdvVzV1RzJDdEJCU0ZKZVpBV2tDWWlZVUNEaVh2Q2hva1Vta2g3c0dmMm9takRoVUZsZldscXpFeURJZjRINm9BZGpXeUF5N21tenJlQVVpVkJCLTJob25nRTJEdkFsSU80Zk5KLXlzQXJoNVlRTU50dGZYNXdvdTl4aTZRakNsODhSdk03N1RBbE93VFBtTUhYYmFWa2h1Q3FjZEE2VkthSHJldTEtRUNwa1d4YTR2T3dIa012TnE2NFFYM254aGRPSVJaT201NTZkOVpBdz09 |
> Also, I have a problem with people who become atheist because of something bad happened to them. They are hating God, not coming to the realization that God doesn't exist. Two totally different mindsets.
You seem to be almost on the same page as me, you just need to take it a step further. So, we all agree that emo... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTUU8wZEFSdkszU1I0QmQ4R0RnU3FkWUJuOU1Vdlh2LXhGNWswWFUxUC1NR1JZVjZBamxGNDJCNGEzZENFOUhYcDZkc0pIdUlINVBlQkV1ZFYtTHNBU2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsY2hrSnBlcGhLb2E0Q0hnZGNzNDR5VXpBaDZITF9NSHJKZjdnd0JvR3dIcy1sTVA1d1RoMXhBdkgteTQ4MHUwSW5FWnNiNENmeUt4OVRmY1VWNWJwWXJvZldSR25vNWQ3UEJ3UFQ0VVF3bnBiY1dIZ0JnazcxeDV6QWplYnUtSXhURk9HSFVrcG9pekhqU3YyblJUdVIwSWV0eERmYjVDdjU1ZEVyaGp1NkNBSjV6ejRJNTd6VFBKZFhHT3AwNThYV3MtSzFVX0tZSklpOEhzVzdnc0x5dz09 |
> public sphere with private worship untouched
Strictly speaking, atheism by itself does not demand this. One could imagine atheists forming an anti-theocracy, where (say) anything relating to God was outlawed.
This idea of separation of church and state (at least in the US context) was developed, not by atheists bu... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTUlQwWEJvT2kyclk3WER1X0xGclhnTUxKUzhpSjdTNE9MV1lxamkybC10VkZoUjNGcl91WkZPUEstQno2eW1oSTVDdWJsLVVCX0N4b3BoU1dtUG5qaEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsdmdaN1pUR1YyVzllNHRjUDhvSko3Wm9VSDVnd0plXzVrZEZZNk1Ea2d1M2RRU0lIU01Na25zeW9RN09xNDhWdUp1UGRYNnpDSEJ4Q0VTY2thX3RwR040SzZaR2NxeV9RVnVLSE5nY0MxUWt5TjFoTUZNNFJzaUVkbUFKS1l4MEpXazJaU1VNRU5MLWE4bXA2czkwYWY5a25ZaDdQdk40Q3YyOV9qVHhUYWJwdGNLOFpORjVDMGJLdG1KY1hqaEVfTXRxSTlUczgzYjdUX0U2ZHUtcHBjdz09 |
This post makes it appear that Christians are calling atheists closed-minded and dismissive, while pbrocoum is an atheist himself. This is entirely disingenuous. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTLXdMVm82Q2xOMzdOMEQ2UEYtc3Z2dHRnX2JhRzdsZDJhUUZvdVZjakd2WUlMMjNCbEx2YnMxb3dHRmFmaXh3OFI3Z2tjd05Qanl6bDJveEJ4N3JTX0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsY1lsNXg3a0FSbnF4cTM0S2NLNVlhbk5iX2dNWDVtTEFCcW11YkFVN0syYlBXaGVGOVNBZ3g2ZGdEdHdvVXZ1Q3dQMkZ5dmVRQ1dxZkFsTWdFYkszTk1pWnFJVnB4Y1ZSR0k4R3dRa0V5VUc0SzMtS0l2ZmxxVDUxTG5QN2tCZVZWdGpvTFRxTUlLMWctTFg2RTM5cjZGWEttSDkyRUU0MXNvMzE4eXVTTnBxd0Zxc0UyWnRmTVBHNEE1RUtMOXNxVXN3ZTViZkY4S3RuNExKaTdMZDNVQT09 |
"One could imagine atheists forming an anti-theocracy, where (say) anything relating to God was outlawed."
Not really, no mainstream atheist speaker (even those people love to call 'fundamentalist') is saying anything like that, most of us are fairly live and let live IF the religious keep their religious ideas out of... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTZWowb1hiVmQ0VzJ2ckFRZ0c1Ti1fUkt2UWdmeFhOR2xvekR6eW1HcTJ3LTdDTHpSRGVIa2VoY2lYdmRDdzBZdlpaNlNtNGJLLVA0d241TFBOSlQ3NGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsclhTRzE0VFJ4Z19oeWRVNlFkOEFtSDNLLTRTa2VYQ2J6amJ6cFYtTXZwLW5CLXVDYWNNeUdtb0w3eGprZzg4S3psVHRfbDl3V0pEOVUxSl9XSlczYnVjajBJMldORHJiZHZvTmhxU1Fsc2JkTlI1d3IxeG4yWlNhVDYybFI3TTBkN2hTS3VCcDlVWmxMUkdweGJtM2I4RjBybmFyWEFLREVXcTdVemVoMERDWEFBdk5EMnV6TlVmRnJtakJEWUN3YnBGN3JnN2l6NWx2U3o5eUtmbXZiUT09 |
Morality is not an objective truth discovered apart from emotion. Neither is it a subjective thing originating solely from one's personal feelings. It's somewhere in between. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTOHNpSXdsR3FHTlFlVFFqek5PUkRMZmM4dkNoMS1TS2Q0aWxlTUZ3a0JuUGt3QU93MlA0V0toRjNyTGFCaXQ5U0psdWJfak5QRVFNMF92b1FwdGNnVVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsY0ZpdXFTNDVlYlpaZW9qcWM3cDBZM1lpTTNmdXVBQ3FOUWt6Nmd3bHVpaXhvOUM2czUyZV8wS19OYkdTTGt4S1dtVUliRG9MbkYtRFpJV2ladllocFEtVzZ4ZjBib2FKUUF4cFpkU3RGREFWMDhpazdWbGRpWnNlRHhhQ1h5RVFKT19ydUYyNWd6LVR1UDQtVXNVUjAtVFdEc2twVTN4NkZ2dzBCUzNwdmhEZ3dReHN4YlQxQ2xET1J0VFpMd3hXVnhESUdKc3pDQnk1N3lKMTl1Q3hVQT09 |
The majority of religious people in the world, and even a large number of agnostics and atheists, would completely disagree with you. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTUXByck5JMnJrOU5DcEtrdzBiXy1OLVNOd1dKcXRWTE5YQWoyQWRuZmh4b2dFeWpVN0o0aDFaM0RZNEVtZk9TN0FLSEh5cnBSV21TVFZuMXJKZi0ycnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsYTJmcUxXbU0zLTFmT3daWEFyRU00VHgtNHRNRkdUZjNDQl85azJ0dk53bkVYaVpySG1qZ0RkSzRIT05NdHJWdDVyLS1XTUVJUzZFajdDYVQ3UnJieWtDXzE2ajdDOWwxSmx4T3hDX2NfVFN0MFFmbkNlSEJUVk9Yd050Q1VqRW9DX3YwSzA0OGwwcS1SMGl3U25Vak9hSjRBVXk5NDdEeTAxMjliNTYxRVBQREUwZ0hMVUg4Xzl3YlU5SFBqeWp3MVVGWl9WUGFKR0xvUU5EcldjSGpydz09 |
With people like Christopher Hitchens writing books with titles like "religion poisons everything," it doesn't seem such a stretch. Regardless of the ebb and flow of popular rhetoric, atheism has nothing in its core of belief that compels its adherents to advocate the freedom of religion.
Christianity has done some r... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTM0pQTWV0NFRYNlhhOUkwOGZPbk5fYkh5Ml9rcHlzZ3g1VDI2bHZ2blc3MmdpQi1KcEotWXU1aFhxaFdCVXRMTW1hWk5sb3JYaXNuYjhaVkljWVU1RUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsbThJbEhtYWNMX1gtcmZFemtCWXJkUVpQczlVTHRfamJITEdfY2NSV3BsTHhTYkcza1ZtZVF2R3dveU1ZVDVLRk9FUGFubEM2QU1idHljX2ViemtSTi1Pcm1DTVVYOElDSXFsZFo2RUdYWWVydHprTnZBRmZadDJTbFdJWjJlbnJnY1RvbG1EYlNpVUZxbWV6VF9tckdIZjZ1WnloV2hLamdhRHplbVdkdTlPdjZQeWZhOUc3Wk50M1Q5OVFoNHIxcWJldktOX3VGSkJ0d1hkWDdjSTNrQT09 |
I agree completely, rensyphon. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTaGVmZnNTOEFYZkJBOUc5NmFrTVVCajBzbk13RHNTOFFFYk1nSzVLVC1mTHVQRlhYY2FIejFseVZkclFnckdiWUQwbDk0VjVXWDZuMkhJalAwZEUxVVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsZ2lDdXpqYlFyTjlrWDd3a2Y5V19oSDhjT0pJd1lHVmp3cVVhd1BzNXpDa1pYejFLSjVhWVBic3ZkUzVYZEVpUEdqdVlpWDlScENUNGx5UkNiQTJzbkw3cHBELXIwa3l2SEZZN2hIbVpxQjdhSmg0UklCZHZ2aW82QS1ERVQya3h2LW9rUTNrdGtWekJ6YlpTNzBCZlZHTXhCaU1JVVhvd1Jad2JRUjg4UE90MXBPNjg1aW9YYVFvMDlzR3N0YzMycmk3dXpfblNSUEdBc0ZaZ3p2ZWc4Zz09 |
Morality should be a logically derived set of guidelines made by society as a whole. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTa2Q5ZzZCZ0FjZmc1UWh6MEVuZ1NxWUNlNHdHeXZlMG5hV21UNy1FempIVXVtWDVHbElWWVgybTZlaEJlNmNnNVBrSk8xcUFlNDhvR1JQMHRYVlhNekE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsRlpia3lQc19lTnNmV2kwampsYmp0XzV0NGpDVTV1NXJ6b1NQUGsyaFJQY251N1VCUnhGODd2bzBZRFlPRDFFRWdqNUJuWkRRVHZ0Y3BxcnpYdVJVR2dfSmNKbkpaT3JadGhLZU9qcjMyZ1oyQ0hVM3lIWmtSR2VOOGtBZkV3ZjRNbWVvVEQ3emFZOEhXYk9FYTVLdkRuSGNSMkJLdldKRjVSM0ppRlZ3QWJkX2FKa01qNk9nbzB2Z0Q5TzZJeE8yVVRmS3FlMjhiNlpKOUZsNG94dkhIZz09 |
Morals are human. Religion just attempts to control them as they attempt to control social conventions like marriage. I find it risible that people try to claim morality stems from religion when religious morals are looking more and more creaky and in some cases plain evil. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTdEpfTUpuM3p6RE93cUVRM09idnJ0TzhuWm11enA1bWVPOE9oVEU5QktmX3E0QXhqUnNSdUV1WHNaT3dia1hJZUtqWkEzcHVPbm1tOXgtYnpXbkNBNXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsX1ZYUVhIRzlfSHROckk0MFpjTWd0SW9NVXVib3FLdkZQY1Rpay1qbXJ6d1BqeGVyeXZYUm9obFppTDFFY1hnY3NoRG1UNkVZSTJJR2J0cEc2QURyOXBHaGZPOGd5RFVCdUR0bFJTMWdHcklLeGp1bEQyLVNVUHZzcXRla3c5WS1MVVlYdVFDVXVDcjNVdkd5TUZuRGloVzlRaktZMGpudWh6NFZFN2Z6Mk1iTjRnYjFrUWtrQzdsMGFYb1l4TjUxZ2haU3hlYWlzZmU2YnNiVUZJM1kwQT09 |
The question "What Would It Take to Convince You God Exists?" is certainly not stupid, especially since it has been asked in "atheism", so it is not a mere proselytization move. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTOUwwWnM2YThqZ1ludkZ5a3FmaXpGbkJFRHQtQnRzUkxuUjdMNnR6VHBnV0FWUjVjNmtrTmQ3MmZRNTFmTDRmY2cxalh1Ym41M0IwNUY3enNQOVVJbkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsN1c0ZWV2dzRpSm4yalh5bmxyczFaRWNSOE5mRTlIZ29oZGFRSEFINVpiWU9MbHlCYlB2TlNzZklMaDVoTXNkU01rQ244enRnWmxrZ0c3NklBbHZtV1dVd1BHc3dhUVpqYkJfclpja3FqU2JGZzU2YmRBT3F0VXZwSldaRDR6R2h6RkVDRkJONkFrNFFCRER2TU9zSHhFWVAxU2FUSjdfN1BmWVJaZVJjLUFMUUVfa0Z0OHBkamtSSmNSRmEzZTNITFFlRlNpVmw1d1B0SDFhdHIxZ2FyUT09 |
That might be so. The question asked, however, was not stupid. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTbzFjanNjVGxxLWNRcjlwQ2U5SjdScjk1RU0zSUtmbmIwU2xTZjRiMTNhRUN2YlhjYVhCQ1ZILVgzRjQ3dlVSX0huZmJ4WjhJWUI3OHg3WFphVmZPT3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsRlNKUkFxb3NFeVdMVV9xcU5XNWhLMkExNnE5dnQwb29LREFSQ0JfV256S1NCWDIzX3p3MXg4eXZ1ak9tbXNWRnVvX0I5c1Y5WkxJZmpNblpkUVBKS0txanQ1VTNJSkV6UmRhSXl2UUZGTUhzci03WVY2bTdGd0ZoSTNCVFJFbG5xQkFlZjRXYjVWMmVsYVlDRzl4NTRXQk93eGl1LVBJdjdOM0xEVDlFRXdqNTFvNGVDX3A1Z2ZqM2pCSFo1aEI3X0F4YWNCOF9sLWZqcTRhQ19HSjhldz09 |
It is a ridiculous question. The answer (*evidence*) is so simple, that for some-one to actually type out the question without figuring out the answer in the few seconds it takes to do so demonstrates a serious lack of intelligence. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTWDVQWDJDVUVUM1psZkVuNmIwOGt0WDBuYWtVaThTOUtMTDcybXVzeDhJOGVEc3BySHVwRmVZaW5ESGRQRnNRLUwtUU1sQWRPSFp2OGhRemFBZ21JSmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFseEtFRHJucElBYjdVdmY4MWVSZjRvSTRZZ0k4MTRCaWlOR1hILTZPdm8tRDRQYXM0ZldSM3FNbkJFSlQ5QnA5RkYtbFNzSHZibFhZVDBicU4yVExNX2FTVXg1eHBsaGFZX3U3VjJRS1U2VU45bGd2QjRJRXJNbnFaTlZ3VUhqeEYzMUlqVlZpQzlZeEpqMjgyd0NuSFlrMUdGLWFCNTNndUk4R3Y2YlFjQ2NvVVFBQW4wbnE2LVh1TzdWYzVMNS1WSWY3QlRPc3gzdllMUzU2U195STg4Zz09 |
You are touting the extreme on the religious end and only the super moderate on the atheist end. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTVHp6WFhSamVqZ0lYSVd4M1h0d1h4WEZDNVh4M0FjQzRxRG1YcmxBSC1iWno0cncyNVExa2c1aUNSNmg3N282WFBQdkp4WHR5VDViajF6RVlBQkM2dWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsd01Jc1FnZWt5SWtiQ0gzb21jcS1mV1QwWW5WVDFlZ2JXS1BxTl95c2l2RElzWXNOMG9qNmlHZ2tKRGJwNmxza2JvY2NHajBpWXNBU0lnWk1tQXJ6ZnR2SktjY2R3SW5KLTllQUlRS19xeUhGQmcwVk9waVVXT2xoLUpDUzlNWmlDSG4wSzd6WjA4VkZzY2gyQ3dsRWxWcHI2QUlaOTlfbUZRXzl2TlhzU2ZyQS1HVmhCR1h2ajAwaHhBRWtBUTBDcVdKNUNDU1Q4Ty03N0xUMjVjMlZQdz09 |
No I'm not. In American public life religion is heavily involved in a number of issues and I don't think I'd call that extremism, religious extremism is groups like the Taliban. Yet you have the Mormons preventing gay marriage, the religious right opposing stem cell research and creationists trying to impose religious ... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTWXc1bU1UVGtMOS04a2l3bUw5V2VRUmVpb1lZQWsyMG9iUlFhN2VOdG43YkExcmhWTFY1bUdvMmlhcGExOGhURkZxeGgtckJRX2VhNHVlUE5zMFJuWWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsY0ZjOEZCLVhSTUIzX0o2dFo2dlRuZy01c1lfQ1F4djI0LWhJYS1udjdnaF8wTWZrbmpUZ2lHb09yeTFFNnVQVF9FNTRVSV9wdW5POG5Ia1ZDczFHdWFpR1haMTJVX0NXUWpiQXBsMjhxTWtjdkNGOUhZck0zZmlnS2M1bW1EMW5SLTBrVngxaGpGWmtsOXQ3RXRZY291MGdUX0ZRWDZFR1lnY0did3E1UWtNOWEtb21WYUFZU2YwNk80T2ozdW5iT0F6VDRHOUZFRGdnZ3JTQnpUSy1qZz09 |
I've seen atheists here in America advocating rounding up and killing theists. If you really want to use extremes that may be a good one to start with. This occurred with the Russian Revolution, the Chinese Revolution, The Khmer Rouge, North Korea and many more.
You can say most atheists aren't like that and I could e... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTeGhWMnNVUWh0NU1TNG14YW5TbEdoeTFDZ1N0R1BVbmtVVlMwTzBfZlNjUDUzTEc4U05nOGUxbXYyeWZxMTRudUV3SDdJb2Vvd3JCcDN0cVp2OXk5RFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFscl9nWElRb2tvS240aFE1c0ZTVG01NDE1N0QzLTY5X3pJcVhuNnF2Mm9mNkpLXzNKYzZyWHNCdDQwT2xHUWRLZE5uZE1HZWJzM2VPT0hORGxSZzcxMWlsSlhfTzFrVlFhZ1pqZi01Wjh0dnZhaHpHWWxEMXBRb2dfTkU5SjRBRjFxTUtOOWZacUJDS0t1MmVjNXNQWVJXQTNRTHFhejd1T0pOb3VVanJZQWRxUTlTdU91eHZfa2N6S3o2Mlk1cEJ5OGhlY3pZSlJ5NnBmc2JPWUY5dzZhdz09 |
And those who are tolerant and respectful are great people whether religious or anti-religious.
It's a pity the atheism subreddit is full of bigoted, hateful self righteous pricks..
It's probably just mob mentality working on them. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTM2tZN2t4czZkOTdOOVB5NnJmd2RoVnhRS0g0MWNjQzZUenBHMldwbU5kMUpuY254a1JiMzhyUjVYV0FnNHNDWmlzd0JuSVJPR3BwdHI5eWVtcHZFMGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsaVFQd1lneFJsUjlQNmVqUmFkLWZDaFpiRF9HOWNneTZRMXZPOUc3cFNDSWd4Nnc3SDRPMHBHNEtwNWoxeVFrUHJvZWd2NHZYWjJ1TUJBMnQ4SkcwRklrLThCRjhLcVNwUjNxdmJ2bHNKNU9kQ1RvQWt5MWpfdWNwV2FXRERZaXBvaFlmdTE4VVNJMW8zcG9MQlVMOVJMdGtOOXAxUjJrZDU5TzhlUlY3V3lCMmZMWHNZOEdId3F4YjRIUXhJV3MxZEMwZWx3dl9VcEVFZ1BJd3VyVENlZz09 |
Actually, it is. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTVHlhbndHRjJ0cUxCYzZPamhHSWxfcnVvREptTXU2VC1MdE90SlJ2YnNOd1h2QXB4OTRHWFBVaVMzZkJkdnQzMWJHZHlwNEtfeEUyVFZCSXVqb3FwQmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsZ3R3YmU1czhMRzZqUEJUTF9QZXV3QU4tTnQzV1otVFdES0sxRUoxSFItWndHUmNBRWhmQWowaWZDRW5KanBScEl2Nk4zQnRVSzl2QVRKSm9EOHVUU1hmaDdlOG5JOTVTMGpwaXV2bVNoSFlMQUhzbHpDWnJ4QVVRSV9YdDMzUExpSkZ0RF9POEh2SFY3TXZSUkx1aDJhTi1DOVRtQjF2Wmo0dUdJX1ZtX1dieGZUampvUHd6WFo2SU5EYkNJWmpxNGZjVnJVbGtpYXlnWFZGbFd5bk9hdz09 |
One might even say it's jerky. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTWG9PcEE0LUpubGQzWHROOS0yZnVteXRraXJqblo4S1VScnh3QzNzOUlldXk0M1dzby1SQ2VGM3c1VnNtYXFrS3hSM1lMZ2xMVXVNVVpDeDgxOVZwR1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsVThsbnJfQ3BCTVNsWnBxTktwRnE2dHlXZ0o3SWhna2FWRUNmb012cmoxT01yTllyemdpeERNYzJjcGlvZm82ZmFvUGpha1Y5cUVLZm1hQndrZkh5Szl6d2pkZW5zVDBnZzVxellYZ19IN2tEVVZxbFoxN2xsUTU3STFQQWc3NmVTdkh2YVloaHJBd3VDZnFocmdmdVgyc1RXTTQ4aXpaUS1jQjdNc3d5WTVGT1E1eXhWU05CU2txaGItOEZSazRvWUwtZDRCdk1UZm9rMWhZUmxXWm9xUT09 |
The question,
> What Would It Take to Convince You God Exists?
Number 1 answer,
> evidence
Your conclusion,
> Atheists are jerks, too -- When asked a serious question, they responded with the same close-minded, dismissive arrogance that they always complain about believers having.
Asking for evidence before blind... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTN0QtdjYzbmpWZEhFVXEyM2pHTjNXV2laMVgtOVRvdlRzUmJUc3FFWTRjSnJtNm1yZFdPVFNvN181a08yNDZqUkVpX1JzaEhzVTRRRm1jUFItZ2wwelE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsekFvaTM3ZndkUXF5TTlpWko4RWpkdEkwaEd2TF9jV3pkVVQ2d05QT0N2Y2tXeFVwN1VPcnpQUEJOcW50eHFUNHpreXV3eUx0amJwUGE3YjItVVE3MmViRFJzT3diZmJtTFlxUXUwbk1Pcm56WUhCNkVYYUpHUkxNSzRZRkhhX28xdGFLZHpTNVQtQVhETEFiMlg3b2JzVzg3RDMyZEt5Tm9saEFYaFQyRmdRQjlMcDVnQllCSDRDcktyNkRjeVVaa1lVb2NmT2tGczhKRk9HQUdUU0lEUT09 |
You do not understand Atheism. Atheism is amoral the same way it is asexual. It is not a code to live by, it is just a lack of belief in god, your god his god, any god. People who do not have a reason to believe in god get their morals from other places, not from some book of outdated fables. You can try and apply logi... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTd2xFX3EzakVqb2lrM1dObU0xOGFFLTN0Q3p1T2d3THRTcjlRdlRYbVJjbV9JTkdNVGRTSTAyMWttdGdHdDQtY01JZ0VHdmU2eHAza3c3U2hIRnloUUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsNTE5Sjc0NzAzclBwMUt3emd5RUFJeGpEcHphMkpRZS15eFRqeG9Tdk52TkdqMWx6X0hYTXYyRllWUW1PT2M0dXZsNVNNTFVscWhUOWNjVW45d040NkNkTkNRVGczSGluQnFIRHAxRDNKalY2a0g1UkxySV9URVM4TE5IWENmZWVWdWUzSjZDaXRzRk9MMC1SdVdRdHV0YmpVenVxZzFOMUZjc2wwUGJGTzFiMmMxUUVzeGQwM2tWWldWSnQ3N3FweGMySVRjNmdWZzRtdTFweU9ycDB4dz09 |
Sorry, but I have never heard an Atheist say this. Post a link to a you tube video or a credible blog and we can talk. Also be aware that if you do you invite a reply of videos and quotes of theists saying far worse. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTbjUtWnkzMzNyMkpxSVctd3FDd1RJWHQySzAyWWE4S21VLVVnMHAwOEM4MkIzei1SZVhoXzdNVHo2V3NqWm1POE51NnBEQmRzcFBxOWVSaTNfbFhXX0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsOGU1eWt2SkdrTXRTNWQyZnJYVDJIQVFnVUR0Ql9qaGY2LTlLVk5uYWZwazJ3cndEeXI0Tlc2VUZsUjhHY0YzcUI0Ulk1YjQydUJQcTVRa3NTVVZmRmUzaGhKb3RuNEw3LUdKaTZzOVpWUE5XcUlCVHYzZUpMMjZyclpMQlA3NHRvcTl0bUJvRG1xRlJpb2RQejFLUnJ6M1p6SEh5aVc4S3E1OGpMXzl4TTlldjdqWExocWRRd2tsNnJPMDZnb3ZNeVVJVTQ4bjBlM3ZxYkE0TXJqQ0JXQT09 |
I am sorry but the only moral absolute truth I can think of is do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Anything else is a flexible refinement on this and largely depends on your society or subset of society. If you want individual examples of changes in moral codes as old as the bible or as recent as the 70s... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTSW5WRWZzRjFWc2p6MEhEZTM3aHBJR3FFY0c3UzVnXzg4VjRMNzhkNlhMQm93Y3pFb2ZFM08wSHE4emg5WTNZNXBhQUk2dUllNUE5Mm13ZVBrMm5Vd2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsS1Z5dDhUZ1hmbThfMHJKbFRrMkdUeVcta000eW9tS1R1NjRmdndiLXZsbjBucnA5Q0NkU0NCN1ZiU29DaENVdFlWMC1xdmJHU2t3c2VFT2dtU1FWTlpHUVhDYVd3ZmV5cVNJOW51VF84WU1rT0poSXlmLXRnMHRqU0UxZEp4RVcxdzB2Z3hBSWljbkZ4eEVzVlIwclJScEVCYmlIY2pkaE5QN251WF9CWVdnV1FEYlJ4aDB5NlR6QjB5bGpWLUNGRUxZb0FZRHhZcktsbWtjSDdua2VQQT09 |
I know a lot of people don't really understand what it means to be open minded, so here is a video teaching you exactly what you need to know.
http://sciencewhynot.blogspot.com/2009/04/true-open-mindedness.html | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTQ1lmNlB5bTJkSHBHZzdkUVVZbFdPUGJSaUZQbEVfclZHZUhVZXBGLXljQlA2dDMwYW53WlVORm52MWNaaFFZemFBRndEVHJUaVdTa3dYTmhia0FsSkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsc0paSS1KVlJlVFJfN1hPNll2QXFMRTZRem4tcEFYX3VMR2NNX0Y4OEhid2sxSWxqOUszTjZCZUl6dmlWREpqdkF1bmFpZ3Z6V3hzWXhybWEtdjJwTXlFd1ZsY3RvdF9tcC1jeVM0NE53dDVhdTJ2eGRzMjNIcVdob1ZWYTJvWGhRZzUwakJtWXI3ZUZ1WnRlQy1OcmcxSjZQRll2MzlrZkhCMGo3ZW9aWlRsdEdmLXFXaDNYQ3NhS1ZfZkhZcktDVUVzNHN6Q05lWmIxVTdEX0p0ZmZ3QT09 |
Huh? We respond with LOGIC and PROOF. How is citing replicatable, documented examples being close minded??? | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTeEZSeHBmQnMySHloaVlRdEZzSUFmUndRekFsWGFBdEhfaW9NN2JXQ1M5bmJDNkROLWFKVTR3UE13a0JkMzZlRy1TWGhoRFZYMVBieTJoS2dEUVZBdUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsc0E1aTZqOGlDQTdyN1R4d3dIaS1ycFowNndBdVVQbjFlVmtkU2x5Y3NMWkRpSWktNDgtbUE1VHFqM0dZbFl1ZDhraS1mWnVMNlp6VjJSZjRmQnVSbS03TnF5YWlET1NFa0pXTlVHUm5YVmk5aEJNZDZGUmpQV1ppOFE1ekszMUtSWVc4d2FtTkRDSFBUaklrVWZRbTJ2bFJGTVdUOUNwTVhlZGpFMVlBN2pzMXVOQmNGUHlqdnRERGRHam1JMHJrT284cHFiMmJCUTNtWHBlZmUtN1hBdz09 |
And how much political traction do these theoretical atheists have, especially in America and other Western countries? I can find plenty of influential Christians trying to use the government to push their religion on people. I don't see any influential atheists advocating that we use government to prevent people fro... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTdGlTMEx2QzZBOHJyV2ZlRXJ3SG45THFvc0tBaFE2M0xMLTRLaFVBbW1lTVlnT2lGWExWWTNKZzFJOGFxTC1FSXhCN1E0UU5pWVFPSlpGVDN6bzFxaGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsUlA4cmVkbF9rZEY2bnZQMDB4ek81Y3R2NkpDaV9WcHpDd0Vfa0s2TWJob0RBLXNYNXp0VnAwZl83LWFlUnNwSmlON2NKaDlWM0xfXzQ5Z1Etd3hwdS1hZTFIc1BzOHc4QURDUVV6QWZZWUI5Y1hDcGlWYV9udXhfT0FRclB0bGFzcXVEWWJGVjVJbW9MUTRFZGJLZGxlaUhCWHpRRXZINUdINnZUUGdUWm04eGNXencwNjVJcnpzWEVHXzRac1FlVVc5aWRTdWJuc2t4LWYyeE1IZUZiQT09 |
> It is not a code to live by
However, ixid is claiming it prescribes government ideals. Either atheism prescribes a way to live -- or it doesn't. You can't have it both ways. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTM3lYTE9Tb1dfcEFpZHltSVpybXBxTXNJTWdBUUFxMFRrRlFQMDBiTENkN3N1V2NuaVpPQ25DQ2hqRFJjN2wyd2tzRUNyczM5STZfMUg2Z2Z6Szk4MFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsbEJCMVZ6cVl4ZlBLSEZ5OGV4b1ZqVjVDblBNOVZOZzA2ME9VaW85cmRBMEJuWFcyYW5PcW03SWtDcTBaeHp2MG43bzdjRmxIR2lDZ0xybEljNnZNLWl0ckVfdElGYWdaOHFBSUpmZERxMlZlZkJINmdTOW9lX3U0cEJQWTdIR2F4QXY4dDdUbUJ5TEtTRWhtWExVcUU4a2JSMTk2ZUw1blMxbW52eURWVTNUTGhtdENja05tQkFXMXU4TnhISkdESC1sdktqVGRCdGJyVEkzeDBuWUFKUT09 |
What's the question? pbrocoum has made no comments here explaining the details of his post. I've seen the opposite problem here, Atheists too eager to answer any question. Atheists have different values than Christians. Christians are against zeal, hate, and disrespect. These seem like good values, but the end result, ... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTd1ZPSGMwQlBXRDRIYWZSMUNwczl5QXBOMzk5cFY4MERNcGZMZktVRHJ5Mm9DVENCTmNMZWxFNlFGZjAyUVhlZkFsQWdKY0ZWUVBXOERKSVJpLXRTQlE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsVU1yTEJHdl9rWVJkcDR0TWtLMHRNQS1MU0ZEMUZ1Vnc5Y1oySzN6Z2RrVFpIQ192dnpMTVhxbzN1X0RIR1ZYMW1FWjVSaDNRcHBGaHVyVVo0eEoxcFFha2tpN2txQTFKRkJOdDZVdWt2UUxPbEsxMkZBY0llaUF4aUdfRXB5dVM3ODRoejhmY1cwUTExWGo0aVVYZXlqa08wV2hLWkVYNnFnOHV1bHVBelZaSG5lNDRFaWJGeVFoTEFVM0J3TUZFN0pZUXR2eVhDWVdLeW94VXVqMmNFQT09 |
Even better, the Platinum Rule: "Treat others the way they want to be treated".
Too bad Jesus never thought of that one. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTbGFuQVh6V01IZGQ1OWtUa1l5ZGJwZnJNV3d3YUFwUllLWGJnT0J2MXY1RkVoVkVSbTZ0bHBYeTB1a01WQlJ6SUNzbmtBS29XOXlUOVpMeUMxcnotOEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsMjRjRmt5UXNKWlRCcmQ1Qmk3Ull6NkN1QVdOYkV2TFk3czZzd2pfazJGTlF2QUhraDN5Z2djOEJ2Q0dKcmlLVVROdnpVaEduaHRLT0R1NVRuTks0MXBIMU5ZTmh6bVdtWVBYc1VCV2pTZUVnc2JRLVpjMmZYWGZadEktSUdTa0xyYmg4R3g5SWVySmFaZW51aXExVGZmX1JrbEpLdDF4WVBHNmdtTFFWY0dGX19fLXR5NVlVQVZtUXdpaWE3NlMxZ2RJaGRiTm8wNko1dk5COHlxeTl0dz09 |
Great video, it should be mandatory in school. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTRVhDckxOSDdGWW5qRldFVFVqcERXblJlaVRMcE1GejQ5dFV6VHFKYmU4NWVEamJHcExiVjl3ano3MERVYzB5MlN5NUVxSHhXV3VpNk9PN3hGbE5JTkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsRl93cjEzWUdQWHNlc1dXQ3pnSjh5dVRRMUlkdk54NHRfU2VuVjJ1ZHJhRDlxekdqRFY5bTJCa1pJVjU4aURDekJXc1FUeTF6bjlHRWZETnhlZWNtWF9YZ0Vka1cwakJfWl9ZRFJ0NThFaFFIQ1ZCR1phdW83eE42ejloZ3RwbjBiNVZkZ1ktQXpjMkk4X2FrdmxXQ3EwLUdxbTNZVkZObUcwN1ZXUVVWWURwZkNhUWpmTi1hdmVibjBOVnVPaElDOE9lWjFtOE5zZ2dwcWxRemFfRlNmUT09 |
Thank you. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTd3ItMDlQRTVyaFhZUWNTaVVpMTdSQ05nMW9iR1pkWkQxaGNMMm1fd0U3QjBOazRZMTc0eERtbWt2Ujl6QnNiSmpkbTZWN1VfUEU0eE1IWjg2alA3dWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFscmhzYkY0Vnh3YllUWjBCUmZKRnVrcDNiTVhUWloyTzZzZnlCblZVWXFab3JOOV9kWmdUQzJWdFkxWUlxWjFjVjdsYk53Vi0xZE93TjBPeXNzbXVXMlpMZFphd19qNFZBd0N3V3BBa0N0d1BiVTY2Qy1SOG56eUtaUVpfalF6U2FMVF9iaE5qRWppaXFyVWtzdGtuaThab3piVUk5enJwX2NwOEVWNFIyM29sMGNDZXdpcHpoSlltZ3BfeUNjcS1ya1p0eEVLZi1TQXhuS1FMNEw4eHQ0UT09 |
Yeah, I don't really understand where the conclusion "atheists are jerks to" came from. There were some kind of jerkish answers on the page, I guess, so some atheists are jerks, or atheists can be jerks sometimes ... But I think we all knew that. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTOUwxZGY4bTRwemZzVm90RVUyX1BPOHJpNzZra1dCZXV6NHBNaDRJTjE3dGxGVE96dGMyem5FVHQyNkw5QzdGOTdKR0xmNTdmZG1GVkJpeGplSy1xaEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsUU9rS2NiM1BaVUw0WWlzU3lNWjZseWZKdVhvUDlIYURmQ0VsVjg2NGR5dlAzZVdZMnczZThvT2tSZmRPaThjU3N3MS03STIxVkk5UG02c2R0QTNsTVU4T0l4MjJHUUhhMVNhMmFvTzBlRVAwdjNEekdXRDBZR2VNcDlUcUczRFdCRmpZb1hCVDlxNW1UTXRpM09pdVFBcmt1UG13dkFuSjFDQlE2eVR5a2pnQ1FtWTlPRGpnZGpDSjV6WlpaOVJ4Vml0bEJ3X2VGWVRwVVYtR1RRRl9PQT09 |
>One could imagine | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTRjJiX2VQOUxfVzExY1BmMllJZVI0Vkx4ZDY2UmFJQ0hRb1dMVHFFU1ZQb3oxWDNPUHZreEJkVGY2QnozVzk1Qmd1WU15andfSEt2UHE2blFlUWlFd2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsWktvZ0JnNzdSdVJnOHBpNXdoVzFMWTRDT09yS2hIeHVERTVfS3NVUkh2UThSVUM1Rmh0cUpSZWMwZVVDRW1SOWZING9jMkEtOEVYYXJZQnkzUzA3Mk13clZDeDNNcVhKandINU0taFB2YnRRQXNBaWVlWTI3cXJpbmp1bnBTSFp6Qk1MWGdhdG9IQWFZNUNBMkxnMktEOXRZWDNrZWdiMjBualNtUHdVMzkwSEYtY19wRjQ3bjBlODE5UjJHRFN4SWpDMGp6VUl4aTdLQ0c4V19yNk5zZz09 |
Okay, this is the part where you guys discuss why you think it is or isn't. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTdUpfcDRaLVdHMlkyREZfaGx3R1BvZzFTcXViWTN4OEI2TXc4cGJ1dENwRHJOcmZmVXE3T3lPSEpiRm9reG1rNnlTcmZub2JrR09SRzlqTHBQdmRfb2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsQ3Z4NUhLYWJBdTVuaU5PclhnZDMzV0tDSV9qWDY2bGlzY1Vib2lrRXJCckg1X2JkY1hRaHdMeFY3QUsydFdSRjVBdndXWWZEZ2ZYYlRWOHFlQ0hxNzVpLUdzbURfTGVWOEYtN1BnQVhXWFU2UlhrZ2Zqem1BREFUOFAwOWEyOEdQeDNMc3F6QlFvNDh6dF9xbmRraVdDRVdhdm1yTjZxb0ZlY0JPZEVOOFE1VU5VcVRoeTFIR2RiT2tZLXZlaEpUa1V5OHBwMDM2eDNyeDhuZmo1M0cydz09 |
The problem is that both sides pick out the most ignorant and hateful members that hold the contrary viewpoint, and parade them as examples of what the views of the other side produces. This goes for politics too.
In short, there's a much larger group of thoughtful people on each side than either seems willing to adm... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTYTlHNllkQU1hYzR4R2p6d2dSTXFVTE9UbTdxVTVNWHpEN25iV200c0hndmZtX3ZxQVFZSVc4SkFMMWd5cTJIalNqQkNwVnltaHFIRHN3dzBTTzJ5S0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsazlCQnZ1elcwUzZDMTdyVy02bUg3cWZqN0ZmTWVSS1hkcFdyN3pjeVdQLW9NZ2dXbVk0QkZCT2V6Mml1ZFhSX1BZb0d2em5ESGlEUUc0QUlqaTJiVWZ3RnlJNnhBQXhzdHJrSDJfVHo1UnRVUTFZaDVJUWkyU1lJSXJPRFcxa2xlbTZoVkRZdzVqd0pPb1pGZmJ1SGdTVTVkVE4za2JHOXZwYmhid2pOTG9zcWp0bENkcnJ0V2hJZFpuOVZFSVZReXNjanN3cHl6VlJLMUhQSW0tb2R0QT09 |
"I've seen atheists here in America advocating rounding up and killing theists."
LOL BS. Your examples are so far off the gaga end of the scale and aren't a part of the mainstream discourse. My examples of the religious are from the mainstream discourse. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTMEFCcEg1dkFnNjVUMjdxRlZBQk1kTXBYanB0QS1Sd2VtS1hGZGZXQ3NoYzhjWTY2ZFNvaUl3V3JKaWlGTjktSG9ocm4zdUlNa0VQZl82VGlvU2E3Znc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsVnZDaHlKUHdvMlpUVVE2NnI1ajBZY0p0aTNUVDhzRV9RTGJfYVExcy1kZmdTN3gzQ0w3TE1vM1VzVnVtSlZ3SEtjQjI3WE5aU1ZvS3p3SmptNEZfUnZnSlVpcVJYSkl6cGt0VUlOT2Q2N21hR1czeDhCSEtHT04xRHRsejJ5V3Y4Vlk0LU1IcTdhNFp5U0dOeC1tNTlYX1k1d0ozaFBScXEtRzlRNGtLalk3dWpVNDhRMDJONGlaRkZHQU9rSjJEbWwtYmt2Zm1sVDk2bXROU3J6clVyZz09 |
Many people attempt to be so open minded that things fall out. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTYU1JdGNvNU5WQUVRb0dZYVpwd0JMUFd5bmVMdEZKT19XbXplYWt4c0JTYmFLWDZnU0VEaG9ReElpNTdtRlBVUXRhVnRjYlMzWE1RdnFFNTFPdEIybkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFscnZINEpUUWRKdEtEQkdnZTJsNnZTTEM3Ry10czVvdzh6MVhvYk9hS21EbHJKU1BCczhVWFZkTmRpc3QyRjlGNndLWWx2WnBmdnhyT2JlMGxqRVpBNURyZlhSbjZXYllfV183UTJ1bms3SHVqYjg5bmFtOTlRSnN0NHlvS3YySGd5VjlfTm9jN1BWX2VMVW8zaEdOZkVubk40Sm5lc2MtY2xicF9NblVBNkdJTnJsVTJNNkhqSUZOM2I0N3VRRklQSUZXTG1vQkdUN1ZRMVhqNTd1M2VDdz09 |
>I've seen atheists here in America advocating rounding up and killing theists.
That's a very uncommon stance among atheists. I've heard plenty of Christian evangelicals say this about Moslems though. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTekFjd1VfZndfVktYWTRwejhGWnFscGJFazBveG5UUHhyVzVoaVlRc2t5ellSX3hpR003dUlZa09tSjRzRWhGNVNyLWRPRGlRNFhxbDNtR04yMmI1WGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsczVzeEdPSkx1YVdiUEdKa2xNVmU2WEhlYkQtUG4ydEhIQUNzRndUMHhjSnZ3ZHpYRTRuU0VBMEZnV1lxN3pxTlZiZWR5RndUR25NdEp0OGtTQjY3QzJVLWgydFJLTGo0UFpJTU1yWXBEM00xZ3RTVGo0SklDb1hncGhDRWI2UDMxUldQVWtFOTNrZXpZbVZ5TzA5eHJYMnBnMnFUV3JhM0w2cXRTOThud2hmSURnSUtVUGQ5Q1ZSZGVJSEF0Q0hqTDEza3lISDE3RFlTVkttU1h6b2czQT09 |
The answer isn't ridiculously simple at all. "Evidence" is a very vague reply, though it is fitting to a very vague question.
How about this one: A being levitates down from the sky and proclaims to be God. How would you decide whether it really is God, or just an alien from an advanced civilization trolling the hum... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTVENVR3BKM2JaaHpnVUM5S2J5dG1EcDhsOFRTUm52SGk0c2lJWnN5M0VmbUtVTVZxWlNXcHlxUzNWRmUyRUVKSzk3cTNsSVUtVW9DejhMaEhTeTItR0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsMlRnSzVlZUdHWWhfdDhkd0JpLTlWaUNEa2dBcnRjdUZLVmUzUzA3SkFBMjlOM2l5d2lvdnJlWmpnMTZFUFhDaGhLM0x4VGRrNXUxam5HeE5Cb2IyN1JfWi1jekRDRTRzMzA5Y0NMUld3cTVRLVRELXpVRW11ZERjWEdEamcxVi16bk1hR19GZmppc1hYdnJ5ZWg3ZlM2ejllZmxLYjJPdE9vcFMzUWtWVHZDeVA5LURBNHd2cXFTM19qYVNjTEE4dGZSQnF6aU9XeXBwaVRGNThWQzJGZz09 |
You can't give everyone what they want. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTcXYxOXVuQng4MkNzcklYTXlwV2xsWl9kQjVaZjEtMlN1cUdVUGN2eXVrVjIyeUl1U3lrVUlVY1MzcElHY2MzeV9tYTFURnRFS1Vnd2lWUHZSOURYWFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsNDF0U041R0V6TDFhWDM1RWR2TU9kc3h6TW1ZclNqci1EV2VoQk00aV9WU0V6aF9lcG5hNXd2bGlSWVhPV0pDeXF3alJPZm9sUVlPRFV4bGxsM0xMWmV1aWF4dFh4SFhETWZ5SmVON1NWYm13aVE1RXNaWmROWXpzcVl5Q19XVVJCYXUtRjZPREJSTlJBZk5fRzhoUi1EdFhTdV9vdjNWWm5tc1pJN0VPelJGLWJXbzFJdmMzSmduTDNYdU9HWXFNRW1yLU1iTU14aWtYUWd1MlNVbkl5QT09 |
Didnt say anything about giving. Was talking about how you treat people. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTcUxOVFlSS0U2eG1Eal9iSlZ0dlYxSVFudkNsT002MVU5bWtXbVFVZmMzdWdqN08tM1l6azJacUpoV0oyVjJ0QzlBcWdTbHo3UzlpVlZVUnljYlRFQUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsZFJvc3FJWEdNR052UktLSEJGMUFzb0tVVC1vdHVBeGl0VmpWU2hLemdXT0pnZk1tQU9LaHJOSHpDMXlsRElCeUF2MVBTNktQSWlHMms1MjZRaWlMcEVlVkpJdEk5V2d2SkFjd01lLTZ6YlpqdnVxcTlkbE9qcVZPelNJemxmSXJjOUQxOWx4ck1IbmJsMlZVQTlJTDBzWXdicThpY2R0Z2kyRjJHcjZMTm12TXcxZVdjYnd5ZFFVZW1vU2I0VlBSNGFFcVlFMk11dUpnazJpVG16UmpUdz09 |
My examples aren't mainstream? The examples I gave are some of the worst crimes ever perpetrated on this planet and the were done in the name of atheism.. You only accept examples that are convenient to you? Fine but that simply makes you a rotten liar who I can never give the benefit of the doubt to again. Certainly ... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTeDQ0aEc0UFFzUXUwRWpmTHJOWXQzWDZLNHhYX29ya1pCVm9ESTVMdFoxNUgydjVmSDA5bW1sbHBQYUQ0cmw2aHB5QmtROUd2dGpkUmJEY3VERG9XMFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsNWpPdVByTnhueGE1bXlQdkxoOFlCMV8xejdZMTlNVm9ObHAtWFpubW5RUTdDWUdEbmpvOThJbjNUN0RaZ3pud3VEQTRrT2JFT0lXRDl3TlIxa1hrNlp1UGhXU01jQVVEV1ctZGt0Y2hlckdSLUN4RXpqQ1lTUC1QMWlXSkVpWENZUHdScnUxTXF5dXVRVlE3WGpOMllQV2dhLVh1M3NXSmZEY3lvN1NqWnVKSzhMa3Y2WTBreDR2M0ptZGo4Q2JuRFhFTkkzb2xKYnowX0w1emhTeG9RQT09 |
And about Atheists as well. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTd05WNnBBbmJGMG1PNUU0U0xVT0NkWm92aEt5ZFlIcmdrcDl3bTJwMjJCOEtLeFRzcThWeDNJYVZPSmJCbk5lVHRpdDBHcDhPaXBHdl9lUzg4aTBSdXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsTER4VlpGTURweF9LRjR0MjdEVERyLTlzWVpEWV94WEhodkpscm9ielptRjdqQVhyQnFWMU5SdTlfNFpsRE8zc0NmaHJMVHpNZ3hPZlRHdVdCNmt5eXplWVh6bWluOTU2b2k4emRxcE1scUZFLU5WM01pVTllNnRPVXhLSDdEMDVwcW1hbUM2eWluQXU1OXhsWEM3bWNqX2VYNTJhcFBZWnlXajJhdnFRUURfYlZnUFIxX21pR0NkczY5Z05paFE3cDJXaERrcVZabGpndTdDeVhUVHJIQT09 |
Simple. I can ask the exact same question, replacing the word "God" with any number of never-before-seen entities with the exact same characteristics, and it would be generally regarded as a stupid question by just about everyone.
For example:
"What would it take to convince you The Invisible Pink Unicorn exists?"... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTRS0tTm0ydmZqcV9RSGFxeWZrNjdKM3BSa0lqN2tibmRWLURac01uN3dvc2lHVGdkQy1WRGhXdmdpQk5aOUt5ZVJrbkcxWVpjX3VlTDhQRjVTM1h0cGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsQjl1aEZyeWF5SzJlalJCcGpuNWgzaDNDYWl0aElSZlJfQlVjTHV2THRzNkJiVmhieER0UXRPYUlPTTl0WXN5clc2WEd1dkhneTZUSEZYVE4yQWMwRlc2Zjg4MFM0RUptc2IxMUs1REkzYkMyVFNHWVRtXzAybHB3bHdlLTVjSExCeXU0d0dST2d1N1FDbHdwY2kzbjEwdGEwVDlrZWVoMEF4R0cya0Vvbnp4VlY4bkd3Zk5DNjhHR2M3MlFnUm1SS3ByQUhSN0h3bWVtYnB4YXc2OVkwZz09 |
You are too silly to have this argument with. This will probably seem like a victory to you. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTZm9DeU11eTJsLVdzUnpnMk56WnVSN2tHV0FQcGFCczliMzB4TW9uXy1jWWtQVmVadndoOFFYYWNBRUltYmVHYTN6cFhwcmhVODgzUk9USm5aYTd1RkE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsOXR5QWpYMEphSXE2SjFNbWNtXzFvZXk5Nmp0NmNEaE9JX2NnQUhCVmVFVE1xbTk0OXNfcUU4Wmt4OUJJeEhEZFVfVlR0X2FqOHRreU1SSi10UDk2b0ZNb25WVk5VWkJhN3AwMTV0aGhVeExKU2FZdFdGRy1wcTk1QnhZZVNEQnI5Q0dkamYydFpFYkN6bFUxeElOOHVfT2dpSVltMDVFZG5aMEtWSXlkaVVyb1FmbFoyMGlERFBvUXZ0V0RCMFRIOXpNaUp6T1pETkhmRXNWZkNzZWcyQT09 |
It is more common among atheists than it is among theists comparatively. I've never said it was common or a majority or any of that type of descriptor either. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTZjkzNjFSU1NTMzE4LUlnYTg0QXVlaXdjbWFJTWJHbVlTbVN2dFo4WEZiVEdXRTItcnNpUXBzazVCQlBqc3F5M3FDTHpnRHI1VUx2MzhjT0lxR2ZRZ3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsZzZSbU1ucDhIVC1ORl9lYmk1UEZFVnRxWG9RQTljRVhwSFppQ2oteVpEUXBZX3JJYnQwZWNjOUVBcERWUWNQUGtnNi0xQlZjcWlHa1RIN3FzVUdQclllVXlsNkZ5ZDNtOHptYXMwNWR3VHJnSE1TZVdxV3VkaVlBS0R5SW1KSExFeDktc0pqOWxIUVpsN0ljNlVoWUt2SUc0S3dRcC1PdHBxaWFKUTFISUFJSk5BbHAtMkZVenQ1bllrWWhFelZHMDB6cktma0lNaEc2YmVwSndJUGJDZz09 |
So your rebuttal is that if an atheist says such a thing it is OK since a theist has said something similar? That doesn't make it go away or dispel my argument in the slightest. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTWGlzNkktSEZzWTFhVmNFRW5TUllGWnhYMGxULWhSYzZINmZnMlFJeU1NdkxYa3BDblNjMlF0WWstN2tKcWtYZTNGRzgzckVWcERPcXh2d1dZNjlfMUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsbElMNU9HSDR1NWVFUE43YjVzMjlwSUo2aUtCeThpSmNaWWxHVzAwNDFCV1J2MlRXNERRdm1OcEZKTGV5TnYySDdsM2ZGS25mVjNOeG9ubEFNWGI0RUlDYXhKVzREcVN4ODRvOFJadk4xOERiTTJFOGRpenhTZTVoX3RiUXRBQlZuMVlYNnhfaGdGZnZYNUpOR0xId1BxRjdnSXkydE5TRHdpTnIwanZqZDV4MXJNM2lOeTAtM29kSHRvNXpZSkRYV3BFR1J1Y3VSQWNKcWl0dDBaSUUxdz09 |
Why, because I expect you to hold yourself to the same level of credibility and accountability that you expect me to hold?
Sorry but all things considered atheism has killed more people in the last 2000 years than religion has.
Atheism has been a driving force behind or alongside many things that I would hope both of... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTYTRGSXFQZjRuckxCMWs4TVFkQXFKMUpkNWVGdkxoTjJnSUs1a3UxTXBzQ1FDTlFMYWtrMTRNTkRPZmFWV1preS00cUQ3RVdic3R4WE0zbVAwUnlrcXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsSW9BWUU3R043czBlTHB2NFdUVTRmcmxjeFhiMndBa2c2Q3ZFUm9UNHgyNmtEaHdNbXAxQjNfVFVZdDFkUnJ0bVN3SmpYYk5uaFZkdTdJYTlnb0g3RVBWWUtuanJzM1NOREUyNkpOUlpBb1Q0amE2NFJoM0hQR3pOY2NNbmE1UDhfWmxXdzFWR0JYVHFhSlowVmdPQmMzTVROSDA2N012VDJxODRiUTFwQ3M0WElvOFd3OTJWdEJCQW44UGxiZHU1bXN1ejlWVVhldE1lOXZNSWZtbVRxUT09 |
God damn, talk about self centred, Buddha said the same thing before jesus, and half the parents alive in the world before Jesus was around said it to their kids. It is a moral truth that I think every moral person, religious or non religious believes in no matter whether they are emotional.
That seems to be a problem... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTRnVzdjQ2ZnJOT0E1X0ZxOGpBWWRtZ193N3NMak1vRG5kajBhQ0t6VlRBdnZ1S2czRTJrLVluUWlBT2Q5RnlKM3hwY3RnUjlnVTFVQzZZbmNHQ21uNGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsckVjZnRlamIzZEJMeHBrUEs1VFlxa1RaZGJlei1OdTlqZUcwSWVvWXFCcXR5RHBtVjJHQ1p2dGthTXU3UDR4T01kWXdiVFl4MG9Da196UVpmUUZJdE9IRXBISFRUakh6Mk5fcUxfbUZHZHFCVGMxWkdTMnNUQ0cxb2JSTjc0ekdkUHI4MUNGWnlGelI5eVZDV2pVc0hUdXR4a1ZqcTdpTzlKVnBSNzEyQk9tamJpMWJ4R0NuSG5qZ3FiMF8zYWh1YTN0UG5QeHJnb3A0OEpBdnFRSERHdz09 |
I'm sure even you see the flaw in that argument. Just because a majority thinks something is true doesn't make it correct. A majority of people also think the sun revolves around the Earth. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTM3Y0WnM2SjVQWDJrRXJURE1NT09CZGxDdzhFYnQ1b0ktNkV0ZnRncC1oOWthSTB1ajZ6eG5VT3lGZlNmZ0pUY0QwNmZDSVg5SHdpOHBvM19BdDhJdFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsRG5TdVhlVnZIbFNKcTBia3RDbUU4UmVzWERPWnlwM0dqcm9vdzBPMEx5OE5aRTlEWkFTVUdZbDFEN0JCVlEwTjlndWx3T3I4NjJ4NFFJTWdWa2t3VHZxVXpFS1N1QnJ4bDhiRzRnd0tfcVd1d3ZGZHVJeF9jbE9KcVJ1cjNZQzVKWGIzLU8xN3BKWDRaMEZjdGdhTm1udjFXdjdTeWhtWXlPM0NKNWRWZE5iSjJJWEg5c05HSkFKRm4wWkt4ZlBLbnBPbVREWHltUkZ1WEhVUHFLQk1Bdz09 |
No my rebuttal is this kind of violent shit hardly ever gets said but is said by religious people who cannot resort to a logical argument a lot more often (let's fly a plane into a building to prove them wrong mentality, or an SUV into an reproductive rights clinic).
But let's take one example ixid mentioned, Gay Mar... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTajRRUnJ3cVh0VWlDcWhPbjRZSjJBOXVySDFCRGdqSWJHQ0J0d1g5NlFGMjlrQTZMbGJ1ckE4dlZKck9VenoxcFJEckRIdnhySE1QalBVczNpUkZwckE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsQmlPUWxJTE92RUlpcUZTTVFtRzB3amZ1UlFKRFZGZFBac2ZReFFVUEl2Z0c5T1RnTDBOUldOOVhZWXNOcEFjZ2lPZUFhbDFWSXRKNXlpSDVQd0tnV213cWZ5SjhoaVJfUlVyVWtYa00zZmV6M09DR3poSmhWOFVGc3poS3Q5Sm5kM0didzg3VWhmSmFUdlVzVTZaZURMWU1vdmFtc3hVT1ZINTBZNkJhNUE3dFlRQWRwaktqSEVrMVdHZGVhY0xiRExtNkVvOHdWTEFfaVl1SThCOUZuZz09 |
You all do realize that "evidence" is not an answer. WHAT evidence?! | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTelljbm1GbDBqV1ZacXRCQXZKZUZMSDBONDZRaW5BYnZMR1NOWGp4NjNTR2ttWTI1UDZ0VGh4VVdaXzB4QVpkTlBzSF9ZU21yYUt0SHFMd2s4LTJFRUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsRFBWSXN6RlpmMVNiRDFUQ28zMUNFZ3VmZElsUm43c24zeXhOb2dfRzJaTHNhSVZjTVpMem9jekljMmYtU1UyRDNLVzhTM2RTelh2YzFzMURRM3hCZ2Y4eW8wQ1hEZXNUZkwtS254b21xbGFSY1JEaW04YmlwbjNiZjhMelRZYV9SUFhKdkk3WVVBaE1SNVE4UTUtRFkyUnI1Z2dKRlJVenBwUURPQk84Wl9GNE5McURjNXltZ2dTNjQ2MGNwY2VBRVJiQURhVFVWMTFua1F0YnV1SmZwZz09 |
Uh any evidence that isn't anecdotal and can be confirmed? I think it's a valid answer. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTdUZhblhFN0ZKeDBFNWZlcDVZZERNMzhRTk9lYUlLOWtGSG1MNUhjX1Q2OHNHcDFvLS15aVYtVGJKOXdfYVhPSzd4akhXaHlYYTM4VHZTdTI2dnl3d0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsSkV0ODRzREVvU0JNSTljNXk0Rm9wZTRjVkYwdzF0a3h1ZHdmT0cyUnpNNWliV0tlYW5GTVZYd3g4cTZkQWFUOU1QbGJ0NEtMdXB3N3hwQXJGN20xYXB6eHJNMGJVNm94TXV1Y1cyTy1rN244cVJLbDc5UGwyM0xyNGllX0JpZzZ3dEZWSloyN1BwdU9PX000M0Z0dHA1eXczNHNlXzFFdlZjeEFKeEx0LXF2bGwyakk0YWIzdUtfWG9ITUZtbnhWc3VNclppN3RWYWRiaG82NVZ3S1N5UT09 |
True, but we're not exactly talking about a concept that can be empirically tested, or even mathematically reasoned.
Still, it seems logical that if such a thing as good and evil (morality) really exist, they'd be absolutes based on an universal standard. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTN2dhVDJlQUFjTnA5YVBOMEJyTTZ6UUlOQnV4ZnpjbzVsNFdISy1jN2NCNEV1OS1jZmR2UEQyVGtSTDdNOXlER3FnN1RPUXQ5aC1HbnhRdG5hOHYzV0E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsOUxPQWVTZUZXQWVCX2FIdHE3eEluN1p0NXRWMi1XWU5jLTFFaFpuU3lBMGE2dE1EN2s2RWI1R0dkSEpPQVA0dmU1OHAxTWhCVFRWb0FQSE04UERuZm1OV3dMYkdTZmhua0JYaWF1dzlkTS1GRXFIYmpDRHFJR2dCVHRjSEE5VmNkdm1POVlBNkpCYndaZGlZbDRuSllhbzBXeHNsX2RfSHhjZDV1YjY2UzkzR01DM09paVNDX2JnVkpFY2ZuYWtlNWNOM0F1azdFenBtYXhGTFNMLUk1dz09 |
So what makes that one "absolute truth"? | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTdWpRQk1fdUxzYVFNa3QtYWVOU3FsbUNydnhqZG1JWnI0TFVSUEhScVVjYTlhSTFrcEZSVlJTTEg5a21vVjNGQWx0cXpKZ3UzT2RibUd2a1pRcmwxTUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFseE5TTWNGZTlDX0h1cno0QUZ5NkdhenNkbEFhZ29HTExLeEo0N2hIUnZHRXlYSXFGQmdHQU5GWHdpR252WC1zVTVnZndDT05fSllPTE1wZkE3ekd4WmNpSl9mZ1pnVm5PWW1HWnc1Z0JWTDdFeU9FTzZPUGpPN1pvendYcnozQ3FEdTdhV3VvckxhUkpScGFKZTRXa2VzSW1vZ2w3OGhZazItSndaQUVNc19aMnRIWmJKTVJETG1EZlBHZlF3enNFVERBYkVyQllWOEdHdlZhNE5YLWxrZz09 |
9-11 pales in comparison to what atheists have done in China or Russia. Hell the holocaust pales in comparison to either of those.
You refuse to acknowledge that and you want some angsty 15 year old to be the example of an extremist atheist? That is my point as I originally posted, you cite the super-moderate of the ... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTUTJMMkkteTdzdGRITVBJYWdUS0g5ZzZlMjlaaVZMTVRPeU44NlM5OVdIaTVIYktUSGt2OURvT2laMTBOUHk1a0NOX3VkN0NmbUtBeXRaNkloVk4xQVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsQTFya0dzMWI0cUtjZWhyLThJb1ZOVUN1dGxqdmZwRVhQTnJEcG41UVNEY0hTSkQxZV8tcG9qallSWXdycmJnanF5dmd0bGw5aV9uUmhDSVBLdmtQRkFlZXJpVXdNczZmMnUzbUdCVElvY3BkZ2VtRHlkYTE2cHVtRTFqUnVvU29ndEVCUnVKdVU2M3J3Z1ZRUHVYUFdTUVZUUEk4d3JmQjBaQXNkRVJ5Y2J2di1USllLeHM1T21QeElZMnhId2tjaUNqdGg0ajEtLVduY1hlRmZ0NEVhdz09 |
How about "any".
A person saying they hear a voice in their head telling them it's the voice of god and then that voice tells them to write things down in a book, does not automatically make what they write in that book the word of god. It makes the words written in that book, the words written by a person who claims ... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTcjVXQTVUSVhOalJHUE1YVkJqbWNDaVp0ZXNKMkFIMXBhby1YRmIwMUVPSGZ5a0RwU0pyUHV4Q1FPSEpKMEtHdFhRbmZ5bnNYNGJUVmItV2ZYY3lCWFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFscEFSd2liSjhyRHllaEFneEU3djVidjdTX2RQNGFvWVFHTTJ2UU5sRVBOamsxSGpIaGs3Sk9xUEdJZ0U0cFRLSWhHbUJUZEV3M1lDM1NBZWF6QklFQl8zbEhRalQyVVk3S0NzRks5Y1NiVVA2WDhJRng0Z1NJRUNjLWtIalhpRW5WcGpKVjZONEFQM3pEbW1za2I4Yy1lOWRlUldyVm9YcVZWR1V3amRQZlBRME9MOVVvWll5WG1xUlRBNEMzVUlSZ0NFSmQ5MUg0NzJEVnZTTzROdWVFQT09 |
Actually the sun and earth revolve around a common center of mass, which is a short distance from the center of sun. This is what science does to you. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-19 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTNDVxUHQzdUpZYWhMeUxtUUhiUXF2SjhPVC1sTGI4cTRNczJuRmdDS3JOT0ZQbzhTNWVhVVg2aWNMLVFNRTdheVNfdnpfdG8zcVJQaDJzNFowaC1fRXc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsZVEzYTNseHgxWENQek81TFMwcVVVNUluUFVybVJHUlB3elczcFBXSU9sUnhSdHNTSU1wTm12UWE3TTE5UWFydW13SGxsZ0RJMTNkV2V1YUtqd2F1U0pENDg1cGxYWlZsSGc3OTgwamEwYl9pajFud0Q4MXczX0pFa2J5cUw1bmlCam1yaFkyaHdrbFVFVXA0azlmUTAwREVLN0RyWXlZaHZqRWt4cDlnOUk0Qld4LW1DelZWY0xWQlpUTFlhQ21PNE53ejZQRTBEOVlUUERKejJLMm1Gdz09 |
Did you just complain about aggressive groupthink and attempt to stir us into a zealous frenzy by demonizing another group of people at the same time? You've got cajones, pal. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTT181cE1OdmV5Z2lCUDA1cTB5eHZybFRQUTJiSk5vMUVSRVphYy13VVFyeWlacDU1aFk4NVktYnFJOEhHZXF1VFd4QTlod3JGUmJ6S2NDUUw1a2ZJeEE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsX2Y0akpLS2lfMTV2cEstVXFSOUtzWnBVTjZUa0ZhU2E3MVZUSHhvd1hQNzBfemZ3Y0ExS1otS28yMDVlT3Jta0RjT3ZKc19zazQwTlh3TmNqU2dpcnZMVkd4SFZwbUFnQjVKNDBnbmdybWE2QU9QOGE1VW5wNFBqYjRMZm9nZTNjYzZxYUhXeFplRWIzOUdvbEZKRC0teWRkeElqRE5KNTUtOS1GVmNXNXZydThJRDdnTlFsNEhLMnFldnpsZXZVV1dFQVAyRnZ1UEhjNDJMVmFkX01oUT09 |
Test it's powers? | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTa0lyOGhGX3J6dzJZS2lPbWR0RFcwZ2xhc1QyQ3luVUlGd3lQWG1ndXZOa1lmVWNnbElIOEljS1R3c2tBRkFLb2twVG5ZXzNoMmpYY2JFczhRMUFaUFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsTERDX0d6dFlXMVV4U3VVajdoMzFwOEpJcEVNdmdjTlQ4WHNmdmc3T0Y0LUQwVXlwNDVUWnlPazF2OHJ3bU9tckFadGw2Q1BmX1Z5cWd1bWM0bGYtaWVCZ3dxSVJZZE5KLVZ6Z3hMVkU4N2dLY3E3ZTVyVFRTR2h3MUwtQnhXUjlYRW5EQ0FfWjNuOGE2ekp6QVp0SEJXOHZvRGd3VWl0c3NoanUtLWp3Z01nZzJWWnM2akhMVi1JX2F4aGVZbDhQdW9rYWFLUl9yZXhyX0hGaVpLeEpHdz09 |
How do you go from thinking morality is not a concept that can be empirically tested, or even mathematically reasoned, to logically deducing that morality is an absolute based on an universal standard? That seems contradictory. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTQzlwQlg5cHd4WUMxalZpLUhodzdhamhSUEJCZnR3a1Y0Tk1Oc0prd1BXUUhkSkxzbjBTZWljZ0hkY0lHRTdrdzZWbXlFRm9tMENvcGgzQkVFSmJHSmc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsTlRWMjV5MUpRMktQRlBhT3hkeWdxS1h2YlY4Mm1HS2xBLWpUbEl4SUhwRU5rYnJnX2lzYXhsRkpVRG1uUzlVR3ZyZjZKUXN6cDVjWDBqa05MWEdIMXdOd3daWE9uUXJDenpFLXZfSTN0dGdMVTdIWGJaRkotVGVqdUNEYjRZaTBpMjUyb3RETngwY2ctZ0NKa18tcXhraUJtaGMybmduNUZQWmdzbGhFcGFQR1d1Z01hUEV6cm5EWXJiUU1wb3lJN0ktUEdUWVpMQm5hSUl3cHFCSDY2dz09 |
I have a feeling this submission was planned and written up before any responses were even made to the other submission. IE, total trollbait. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTaFRoQXhaOG1IUkxyQm16UU4wQlJVMTJMdFl6RWNEcXRlR2pDenpEREstTW5tY1ZybmI5OEVuMEdIc0NaWHQxbVV1MDh0ZEIwRWpVeTJIT1pDNFFTYnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsNm5ScXA5N0w1WDdmbVhjVGFVQV83U3E3N3QxV3VDVnFENmpuem9VMEtReUt1Ul9NT0lHZVB1ejIzQkViMm1vYnRELUVnQXFRckZmMXJEdDhMUGdTWDVuVS1JTl9lVFowV2pRQk9YZG41RlJmUkh4ZjlCYTVBeXhlRGhHRTJRWVlZMVZ3NVJiRmUwNzQwZkJYSHktX2tZOEN0V3RoVHVHMmZZaW9IeHFVZWlTbUU4MkhqTGVmdFh5ZUNYcmE4RkluNHJ0X0pVMmMtMXEyTTh6cnZLdEktdz09 |
Ask it to heal the sick, feed the hungry, grow limbs of the amputees, bring world peace. If he does that and still isnt God...well, I dont really care at that point, he did more for us than God ever did. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTdjhnR09taHdxUmZuZVZEc0hnMWg2UF9Dck5udUFMRmI2STh3RjJQNnZHeHVYbG5fLURKRXplVVV5QUlRRko3RS1welJfWll6LUFtYk0wcmpQOEhyWUE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsX1IwRmc2bXJKM3ZlNGFTX0dGRVctSzFwZjRNSkhsMnd4bVR0MFRNQlhOdEd5aTloRXR2TW5uM05PODVxcV9Bc2ktZDVtSkdNdzZsa3JXSzRKTmNsSWEwQW9URThINko5eHkzMlF4a3VPakI5dm4zZmtSWHRsSGtBd2tzRXo4TmdOT2NZS191Z0lHZ3lyTm41cHYwajV1OXZFd3BhV042UzVhQ2t1Q2p0b0RYbnpfNmY5dFU3SzRjNmtwdnpIa2V2ZnVVMFZYaDhLM3FMYmlUWnRPWm4wUT09 |
I am sorry but Kim Jong Il II and Pol Pot act/acted in the name of themselves, not in the name of Atheism, They want/ed to take and maintain power at the expense of all other types of power including but not limited to financial, political, social, inherited, military or religious power.
I feel sorry for the people ki... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTR1V2ZVBXVU1YcUI2d1AtZ2Nuc1R2dVVqM1l4TVNUdGlOSGp6bFRuczdFT0JYX3JUczdRVlF6STFZS19SNE9ndzV1V1htdF9lblZRaE5SeEpSb3MxTFE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsWlhISkpmVjR4ckhEUE9Fa3BFRjE3WmFJa2hhaXRuWEQtekxJTUVRalFyWG1sV0dhN3JDdkc3a0Y5S1JNdTdHSG5iOFc0VEhtdlM1WVlKalZXYmUyUldOcFZ1Wl93Wkg4aFFkQUptTExicjJGeWsxS0ljX0h3U0d2Nk1NMVBNY3RjRjk4ZDNDQzZyUWxnRml2YWFiRDV1MGY2a1dvaV9pWUthdXlfeFBwRFlmdnNtUWIxMkJLaGJzaFlTVjY5WEtfZDZYMGk0RjdVLXlodjVsYVA3bnotQT09 |
"One could imagine" anything, so how does that help the discussion? | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTLThma2dNZzQ4MmZJMHRZWmJobG45T0M4T2VGVWFoZ2NMbi1lN3p6NXhiNmZxUDdaSmFTMjA3UmZqNDRENzBrTjloeVgySFJ5YWpuM0ZoVHJPRnVQeVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsN3hZXzN5VjVnOUtxcGhwNGFzTERPUDNHbHhGOUpEQjVTcjZTN3BlVngyZlpCYjJ0TzlocGNVRzlucWZlaXQxa01abXh5ci1qakstdjRHOUVUQ3l4ZDlZZElBRWhTVzBGZ0R0cGdXWEZhdW9kQUh1RWdlM3VaR3VaN252YWszY3RzdlFqS1JlZm1BaFVoOTNLWkJ6NjVuUHZJLXJiaURMY0NDSHRGNjd3ekt2Z2UwQ2RUSXV1MVhZWW1uQmIwQ19PRDkxdURBRzBjNkFJU1RSMzBMNVN6Zz09 |
> Either atheism prescribes a way to live -- or it doesn't. You can't have it both ways.
It absolutely does not prescribe a way to live, other than a lack of belief in gods. That's by simple definition.
ixid was making a claim about the observed behavior of atheists, he wasn't claiming that they are following a pr... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTbm44SGozaVdYRXBlOHpkcHVQakJxSi1FNUhhdFlXNGxqUGdJUlNaWDVVRjVnUEFSZDhZNm9GTEc0NEo4ODBVd0RZQWdHVUFJS1VFUElqS2NQLTM1THc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsZWpQNWlQQWdEZlQ3U282aWlFUXRxOTVENFBpb3NDUjNPcG4wTWp6bVFfTFpXZjU5SzhZQlh0WU9DejRkRzcwQnR2cEdiaGNaaEJ4MTZMZWFJak5VWEp1NjhUaC0zUVJRM3BBSkJyRUxSWGF2QmVOUW00T1BIamlnVDNLYUdpNEpFSmlEN2VxUzdSMU1NRlFVdEJRS1lvYkdyRzB2SmV4aHpEZEYtSmQxYjBvbFNiTldDeGJzZ0Q2ZWQ3NFgtVllpUGd2SVpod040T2x5aVdESXFWUDhjZz09 |
> Why, because I expect you to hold yourself to the same level of credibility and accountability that you expect me to hold?
You made a claim about atheists in America, which you seem to be trying to support with examples from Russia etc. Your credibility is nonexistent. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTTEFxbW5xU25OMWwyRmtJdkZUb3dWelh3dFFtUVhIUlVsbjhhLTlzSXo0UFc2OVVtX1dPLVl2TUJfblVYRHJFZmRWbDVOdFdDdzNIMWF0czlWdDZwd3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsaTN5bTVyZDFuUDlDMFRpQWVIN1dybmdzMEx6VkhYUVdfZU9UZVB0U2lzX2c0Nk9nMzI5TElqNlNrX0dTMW00Y0w2NGRvSGVLNTRIRHNLSDdUSmZCU0RwR1RXLTA1OFBPQ1ByUTF1NmxGTzdFSVgxRlUyTnhEM2NHTTBEZWpaYnpPQ3V6aGRsdjJ1YUNrUVVOMWF6cnpraW9EQUdwd0Ftdkk0VF82U2cyRjBkb1pEbVdnamRJUjBsV0doZ3lYYWh2UDV6SVdkWERsT3JmWlBabEl1ZGFqQT09 |
Maybe it is not, but it is fairly well accepted idea in every society and culture as a bloody good guideline to live by and has been around since at least before Buddha (He said it as "Consider others as yourself." I believe).
It is also a hell of a lot better than some nonsense about working on the Sabbath, not eati... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTMl84b3duR2M5Z2FBbXhRNW41MXJ0V3BjNjdFMWdpM1M0aGJidmt1blNyQnRpbTlyM1lvZk1KMjFKY0xqdm1ENXBOOVZCYjFraWhubFZxUk9ZeGQyTVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsYzlFcXluc25uWmg5eUVRVVNGYmdxZWpBcU9zb3VtaFltMFZaMThVeThKYjk1aWk0cjBrRTNaSmhXUXlPVVdFNHdzSTR5ak1IZjFwXzFLa1Z4d0pfZmllOHZKVnJNU09xbUNST2I5UVMzelgzS2k0ZHhRdXI3UU1lREwxZW0wemkyV3lMc3MtUjU5Mng4R1JPdy1uc2RCQVNPM0hwYWRwWkpHbERJMHBQcVBqRnc1b0hvci1KRV9SSGc5ZWI2ZjhPTDFKUEJ6WXhzemZleTJCRUNKU0IwZz09 |
And should do it's best to keep out of peoples private lives. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTejhiUGs1ODFERHF5STdBNjVIYzNmOEhoRWhkZVV4ZURWcWg1WGZNS1lHclRIRFV6bUM4M2pqZGtqMDRDTEJPUGZkZEV3MkxheTZqWnA1R2w2WThtWGc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsNzlQdUx5WXZyaERuX3NzOXh6bGV2RlhScXQycXlXaXp2SGFfNEFBXzNZOXpDOG4ydVNwYWJ3SkhnaUUtVHFsY0RyRDd6U0F2TlBnRjBnZzc3a0VCcS1zSk5vOVlvd1pPSTF3aVZPRTgycEtPSkZ5UlZMZmNUR3VvY015SnJPWHhfa0FxaTc1aUNxOHNQbmZ0Y3RzRzJjR3liWlZISmFFX0k5NXdPbU4tMUI3YmxwSUx1QjNUS2JRcXk2dk9zb0o1Y1ljQkliNVk1WHZlZVZhcU9CZW8tdz09 |
Gold | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTNUpBbkZxb1k2Y3ptQTlCWk5UalZfTUIzVGNneFIwMmlMMTVlQm12VlJRRXJqSXV1dzNHRnRzOHBRU0xjUm1Xcjhhajh6TlAwa0JzdnZUM3ZGZjJ5LVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsWHRhczVwSUNia2dIYlN3M0k5YXF0bGs5ZXFYbmRfUEJfdmlhVF9fcEF0Q1B4OGRnUnF6azZoeGlKWFA2QkZqOUZBSUF2Y3FEQkRsejJ5ZlpGc3NocVlMQi0wLUM5RmNzUElCRU13cjBESlpVZk1lMzMya0ptYWcwQUN1Nk5OOGUzUHo5Sjg3MzBoZkNSUEF0UHRKVVNZUW5ZTXJhQThqMlUtWFdwamFOeGJUQkk0am5FSzBET0cxWFM1d2t6eE1tN2NFclZYLWNobGx3S19hZ3lBN3ZvQT09 |
Yet another example of special pleading? If you can say Pol Pot killed people who weren't atheists in the name of communism than any theist can use the same *defense* when you accuse religion or the religious of perpetrating crimes.
Especially in the case of Kim Jong Il II and Pol Pot theists are/were specifically tar... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTdmxCenEwalJ4YkFnRlVMYmdVbWVzNGdwYms0LVZnbXNiSVRzN1dPbHM5LUpiVmdyUXdBZlBadEQtalFWZGRqclI4dWxldndrM2xJWVBXeEdfX19pT1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsMVR1NHZ0Q2VSR25WXzMxbEpoQWJsUXl6akFPQnF3aFVPeW5nM2xtS0gzdVcxa0hfd2VyRFRhc3JnVENYRnlPY0VYbkpHTXVQa0p4S09Kb1VqWWpCTTZ6ci1vRGpGZzVGc3JkbGVDdVpENmhObVpMZldSRHJLNjh5NEhQU180c0d1d3luZ0dYRUQxc01fSjdQcjZ5ODV2RmpDT1Q4eWFIeHgtS3FMd3VBZEJ1bjhNcGJNRFRWbTlTWVI5cm1tMXRxbHZmV2dzQU1Pb2stbWliYlY2TWgxQT09 |
That was part of my post though I didn't interpret it as a part that was challenged by ixid. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTREpoSnVMT1NnZzYzUlZjTXBvOEVpcVJPUS1oMmxVb0NiN2lLX2N1c3VkRTAzS2diT2RGRjlmQ1dDampCcVdWVlZXVHZJZEV4Zm1QMzk1bWx6ZUFaaVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsNGZtRk85OHpyZTQwUEE1RUVKUDRtOFZKUmlJbkFBazdON3dZcWc1SUkyR0VubW1mdXIzMTgwUVRfQ2ZiRmREb2hfLVBoUndoMDAwWGQxZWdlVmlnZElPaV9OQkV4TXpvOVZDUHQ3azFydllQZWVFaTZvODdXUVVHQkVSVzB3YWs5MkNiZlI5TWN1SUlsUDVObUpKd1RGbk5VVk1ZSWthWmFtaFJQaVljM0F3RGFpazN3U1llaTNZbmFVZlJ2eElmeU5aZEstWnNPTnZwaVNPdXdTbHdyUT09 |
No because the crusades where religous crusades etc. But you fail to see the point, people do not do things in the name of Atheism and cannot use Atheism as an excuse for doing things, atheism is specificaly a lack of motive for doing things. It is a lack of belief a lack of excuse. And Atheism cannot distort someone's... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTRTZUX3VmMUZRcmVWR1VFVmZrZWd4NFJiWkZoTkdqZThuQm5IV3dXU1c0cmR3ZnJTeXlBQ3B2VUtXOFZGMkJheXJYdFR1Zmt0UFBSREM1OEZheXJqS3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsNnM2dTBSbnVxVUtUd2VtUFFxVzhyb25SNWNWTDJWOURaSkYzNlZsRXk5TEkyVVVwUWtLcEN3N0dOWGJMUW5ueEM3aThuTW1lTkNKQjIyQlZHSVNDOFlCYUJlOUZuQUh3T3kzWXcxQU56dkpoS0V0QlRoWW8tTHdhRW10ZmhNbFZoTmJtd0RRSHdacGZiVlRUeHlLWktPNnN5RW14MXd2cjBGLXdWclNmTnFGYWNuLTdmeVdLbE5OdVJqckk4X2ZtVHV1UnVmRjV6Qy1oNklSdjB4dXAyUT09 |
> It is also a hell of a lot better
Better? What the hell does that mean?
Sure, those are all a lot lies USEFUL rules, but utility has *nothing* to do with morality. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTOURnUzRnR0xPZWdvazI3Qzg1ZjVqNFgtU1JhV2tMd1NLZTlMTU5ZNDVWMWVQMUI5NDZPMUZqd3lBQmNSVHp5eElRSXJfanhIRFVNdkw4VXlxenZ6UWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsbVBuWGZDZHhJeXl1OUs1UzA3ckY2QUw4WVdhUVlSQUhZX2ZmZ3M0b2VaYnFITEtZdkxwN1BtMGEyc3F6MlEtcUxreTlfcmFQb1JCajk3bl8zMXNZNlAwRF9Wam1BMHpOZWl3X0hIVHBPT3EzY1hBazF4d3hJX2FYR2dVMTExYzl5c1l5SG9ud3puY1lVbk9ORUUzenBmVWp1dDZ1ZHkyLTV1eTlKdEVHTVZwVlEzSkZ1SjROZ1Utd2xrN2dZNi1qLTlET2dhcHFTbkMtcHltY1VHMTdBQT09 |
No, by the same standards you apply to atheism the crusades were about political power or acquisition of territory. To suggest otherwise while you suggest what atheists did in the name of atheism is special pleading.
This is where you expose your general ignorance and your welcome attitude to illogical arguments. You ... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTazF2bFVBUTNfQTMwVkdjenduSXZnaGlRYWdTWktUY3hKTEsxaHFnNGx5c0w2WGhSRjI3MzFReHpVX1JMQ0FMTm52MDdTRTExczFoZmUyeTVJYVNDUVE9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsSzdsUUp5WUpKQzQ3cGM2MWpmTFNFQVAwam9hcy15OUhNNXJpV1RBelo5SGNJS3JhNGtrQURjZ3pSenJDdkRxdk1tLU03YkY4ek5HRk9KWHdac3Jzb2tZclh4T1FLeGZTaFcyNE1yUk1kSnVPaW10WU5wdHdJR0RLWEZjODItNTVkajgyTDdQUmdWQTlkdEJMQnZKdXRxN1lYQVRabHhNMko3TWsya0dQdDU3dmhFLUxJRzNXZVY0OEtWTVFLcjN1ZUdjc25BZXRQRXNCOWRRU2xLa2tYdz09 |
You seem to be more interested in talking about talking than talking about religion.
I am sorry but the crusades where about who controlled Jerusalem, the holy city of three religions, If you want to absolve religion of the atrocities performed in gods name you are going to have to try a lot harder. Pol Pot never tol... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTcU5TSzNBT0VBYjQtaW53dUR0aUw0Q0pvM0s4c0JzZnZVeWk4TzdiakhGNlE3clE5LWx4Z0k3di1fUjVuZF9ESFQ4bmFJN19zTkZTT2ZPcW9nTHNhTWc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsTlVFLThCb0h2MXNNdGxhUGptRkNnMFB0MVpYZzlrV0YxTFNMV3FyOWlnRW9FbjVDXzEyU2lOR0dNaU1BUTgyTUZRcW9UaUY0NERYXzBlWWxUaGlwVUIwcEZrb3Z1YUpSYWJCb3VIVjhNeXdXUWxiaTRIRGRYNGVyckhLenBJb0V1bHlHdkdZQnh5UDhHR1ZHdUVxdktPUEhhMTdYTmpJRWpqS2FIeG8tNmhxWDZOVG4zOHJ2TGdTVS05T1k1TUVZMnpuWFZ0UFZsWThLYnBBZzI4QjloQT09 |
I'm showing why how you say things and what you said is logically inconsistent with what you say. I have to tolerate atheists prattling on about how they are so logical, you have to tolerate me telling you exactly hwo and why you aren't. Well or you could stop trolling this subreddit.
>I am sorry but the crusades wher... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTVVlhWDFEalA1em1za1oyQlNFeXFRVVgtemlWUlRnZW1lX3dDM3I3RVR0YmVYOGtlZ0RmR0xZb29iZzFFNGJBaFpZVjFaUU94ekR4bUNwb2FfMjluM2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsRC1fVThkVFJDYVVrVkExMENVQWVWejJqWmFKeWF5Qlh6X0N4b3lWQm1PQ3hPbmJzUHVkbnJWdlEwam91M3NCUFVpa2FEd2s4VHQwOG1UdWItWS1fNkhwMEdpOFo0Sm9XVG11XzNVazczNFRmNk9sM2N0SFVfSmhEaU9nZ2FPZVY0eVF4bHU4SDFQVUpYb3FySlc0eFBnakxON3duR3BKeVJLUnZMZ1dRekw3ZjNXUm1CeW8yUjdKZzlRN1llMmZVUEF6TXRqVmZZZHFHZmIySWF3c1hUQT09 |
I like the way you rationalise it, but I still cannot accept that the lack in a belief in anything is a motivator. Because you don't believe in faeries does it motivate you to do anything? Religious people claim religion as a motivator for lots of things including wars whether the enemy are religious or non religious. | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTSlhzSDNKWmxUM2lMVDRJSWtHemJlMnhhZVFmUTJlNS1fZEpBS0E0ZUJJRFdZaGszWk9UZVZrMnhiUG5uUjJ1WXN6NFl6Wjl1dVJpSWJuSXk5LTgwQ1E9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsUzdIWHctVkhvVW1iOWVRdlprQTFhdkZfTDJWMncyMGppOXZ3NGJWQWgyMS1HZGhCbks2bVY0ZTNrUF8tc2VkTThXZ0Y4bldLYTFjY2p6RFg5MmlHYmN1clIxcTdFd3huMHY1WmZqamVGQ29ra2JfdEpaeGk3aGY0clg4NEJaQjBLS2xkOGFaeFVLMkZ1SllOQlpOYzhPaGlra1VHcGpyOFV6b1dKMUVQQWZXYlRHYUZMWFpSeG5zRU5vblB5VjJqRUV6cFFWMVRwT1BfLU11REwtQTRvZz09 |
Pol Pot targeted religious people and buildings specifically.. Tore down churches,, mosques, wats. forced Muslims to eat pork or die, forced Christians into apostasy or death. If you weren't an atheist you risked death and you were a target for the atheist government.
Yes, he targeted people who weren't atheists becau... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-20 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTWFl0UDZycnk2MV9ZeHM3N0VZNEdnS0gyMGZhRFA2LUdzaTViY19xYTRocXN2QWdPdzd4UENFMHc5N25PM1phdlhJT1hVa1R4UFJSTmw2aFd5UlVkN2c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsOU1TY2s4S0RyRnMwMUFzWWtNWXJXbTgtUHBySmhYQXNPeE9sNW9DODI2dFVRV1R5LVkwaWVCblI2eTc4ME12cGUzdzFrMUplWGRGbmJqQ09CY1FFS3ltRGxxRHlhaFNYOEtHN3c4WE5Ib29wX19pRTZyWmdzN1hOOHB4cFZjMzlOdmtjZzRUbndjVFRwU0U0YjBsSVFxRTFRS1BKc3d3X19LYmZxU2pBZFBRdEZqdkJwVVZtelg5WGhycUJNNFlER2pGYUpPbndnbVZVQ0V2UElPUDQ1dz09 |
Thank you for the explanation, that was a good answer. I agree humans faithless or faithful are capable of atrocities. But Pol Pot's reason was a complete change of society to communism religion was one of the many things that had to go, to claim it was done to promote atheism or was mainly anti religious is not true a... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-21 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTMkZjampPZFI2NHdSMllWQ3d4NWEyUWJtQklxLXdZSDJaeDRPMC04aUMwMTNLSFJqWGtkZGNCcGtSTTF0OHVuNTZxN3VELW91c3o4SzlYUWJ0ZDdqS3c9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsZWduRW9LcklqcWRTR0U1MVZwdU10QlA5ZGlaVl96Z2tpVU1KS29MQXl0R3RUem5HREMxYk42X0NTb0p3T2FkQmRicEV2RUVyQzVreGJjRjgyOWMxWEg0X0h3akJBaEhjaGtFajVTZm1OZjcxejdGSmpIVU1NaXdQVm5zUjhaR3UteGJTR2NoMlhldmV2MXBNbGRtU3dBcExLc3pBX3ZZU05tZExQQ3NEa3ItY0xYdGFyX3lXenZGMGtyUlRqSDcwZGpTQTBkX0ZkcWYwMHZkbzNsdzlCUT09 |
That's the thing though, sure Pol Pot didn't claim his war on religion to be divine but merely because there is no analog to atheism. He actively did promote atheism though by the barrel of a rifle which is my point and what I have maintained. No matter how you view it he was an atheist who targeted theists for not bei... | r/christianity | comment | r/Christianity | 2009-04-21 | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFTMmJQT0trdTF4RlJRYTlCYVVSWWRsWnc3dEZCRVlaVDRSZVFIeXAyNU14SGN0Unpxc1BBV3I2RkcwNjVIRFJmSDlmdVB5V3psOUtLNWJsSlJMS0Ewbnc9PQ== | Z0FBQUFBQm9jVzFsd1lDYzZ1Q3J4NFdCakhGUmVNeXoyWXpqYWxWTGpjZ0VDZ2prb2x2UWZtY085OEtuYVhaVmlSWVpyc2RiSzB0S1VJQkZCbUQ5SVR0OEs3OW50NlJaS2c3QXkwNHpMSDE2ZXV0SzBxVDVVVXZJdUV0ZWVoV2tjVkpYTkVYc0V2VkZ4VzJLcTltSThUOE1mMkRFLUc0MzhrOEJOMzNHN0dxVm1vX3pEdW5sdmU5WkVtdVlhVW9MSXNFLWhIREY2TkRtT2FMSDFWSl9nVGE2bGotOW43QjN6QT09 |
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