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| "text": "Businessman Matt Barrie doesn't hold back:", | |
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| "text": "\"Australian politicians have wrecked this great nation.", | |
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| "text": "They have created the mother of all property bubbles on a scale like no other, that is now desperately being propped up by the mother of all immigration programs, causing a cost of living crisis, a deterioration of Australian wealth and a deterioration of our high trust society, a deterioration of our culture and a deterioration of our way of life at a pace unlike anything this country has seen before.\"", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Put another Aussie on the Barbie -https://medium.com/@matt_11659/put-another-aussie-on-the-barbie-f298c21b5bf9", | |
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| "text": "No truer words have been spoken.", | |
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| "text": "We should all be much , much more angry in this country.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Government has literally been privatised...at our expense. It's a fucking shit show", | |
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| "text": "Last guy brave enough to tackle negative gearing head on wasn't elected. We get what we vote for.", | |
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| "text": "I agree with pretty much everything in the article - but he really should have broken it down! Its a (completely valid!) whinge about everything that's wrong.", | |
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| "text": "I came here in 1988 with a single mum from Eastern Europe - it was still the promised land then. Can't believe how much everything that was a given was hoarded by a few.", | |
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| "text": "For anybody who isn't concerned check the change that has happened to Canada recently. Reddit has many posts about the mass immigration from one part of India and its negative effects on locals", | |
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| "text": "Also vote for a party that will slow immigration to sensible levels", | |
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| "text": "https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au", | |
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| "text": "He left out making regional Australian housing cost 7 figs", | |
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| "text": "🤯🤯🤯", | |
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| "text": "Should have seen the greed back then of Christopher Skaife and Alan Bond who got away with not having to pay anything back. And the banks and credit unions and other lenders who willingly lent them and got screwed over - and to protect those banks and credit unions - the little guy had to pay more to cover the money lenders losses.", | |
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| "text": "Pyramid building society collapse in Victoria anyone ? A 3 cent per litre levy to pay out the creditors who lost and everyone else paid the tab. 1 of the indirect triggers of the downfall of the cain/kirner labor government.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": ">\"How many Australians will you sacrifice to save a single immigrant?\"", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "- The Australian Government.", | |
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| "text": "Australia would’ve been better off with a military coup in the early 80s installing Dick Smith as Paramount Leader before Keating deregulates the banks and allows dual citizenship!!!", | |
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| "text": "So at exactly what point do we go from this article to calling it what it is \"the great replacement\".", | |
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| "text": "And yet we stand and watch,too apathetic to act but moan about the government,all Australia should rise up and tell the puppets in power enough is enough or join the Centrelink club,pigs at the trough,all of them", | |
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| "text": "He’s spot on.", | |
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| "text": "Australians - both those born here, first generation new and old immigrants, and First Nations - have been screwed over and betrayed by our inglorious political and business elites. At best we get tokenism and bureaucratic bungling in response to any and all crises, at worst corruption, indifference, or actual gaslighting. And yes, there are plenty of countries where things are much, MUCH worse... and we \\*should\\* be fucking angry about that, as we as a nation let ourselves be lead into situation where the words \"the lucky country\" ring hollow with hubris. It's past time all of us need to take action; we get the country we deserve, not the country we want, if we don't get out there and actively work to make things better.", | |
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| "text": "I feel so helpless against things, I don't know what the answers are, but I do know continued inaction is no longer an option.", | |
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| "text": "Sorry, /end rant. I'm angry too.", | |
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| "text": "(/edit to fix poor grammar)", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Somehow 12% of boys between 5 and 7 years old are on the NDIS.", | |
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| "text": "Overall, Australia spends about $84 billion a year (3% of GDP) on disability across the NDIS, disability support pension, and carer payment- double what the United Kingdom and Canada spends.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "I love how popular this sentiment is and then everytime we've had leaders run on policy positions addressing these problems they essentially commit political suicide.", | |
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| "text": "Can’t load the article- can someone paste it ?", | |
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| "text": "Banger of an article.", | |
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| "text": "The fact that there are beneficiaries from this crisis says just how sick this capitalist system really is…", | |
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| "text": "It's sad", | |
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| "text": "Apparently we've been trying to borrow our way out of this pickle for a while now...", | |
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| "text": "Great article, what we do with our natural resources is so infuriating. I never thought I would agree with anything Tucker Carlson said, but here we are.", | |
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| "text": "Why can't we revolt and march on Canberra again...", | |
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| "text": "This time with passion for OUR country, we the people", | |
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| "text": "We could have had Shorten and real long term policy in this area. We voted against it.", | |
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| "text": "And when or rather IF housing is seriously addressed (lets be real at this point the government has indicated it will prop it up). That wind down will almost certainly create a horrible recession. So much of our economy is tied up unproductive \"assets\" we need to live in. We spoke about this when I was university over a decade ago and things have only gotten worse.", | |
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| "text": "And we are still feeling the impacts of shipping/Covid material shortages. And build quality of apartments and many new builds are so bad they need often need very major works 5 years in. I don't see it getting much cheaper to make homes any time soon.", | |
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| "text": "Just pray multi-owners sell with rate rises at this point. Even though values are still rising.", | |
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| "text": "Find a good share house and buckle down I guess (lmao for starting a family).", | |
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| "text": "[deleted]", | |
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| "text": "Everyone who voted for the GST & the Howard government is partly to blame!??... 🤔", | |
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| "text": "Let the cycle cycle!", | |
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| "text": "It's a really good article, thanks for posting.", | |
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| "text": "Yeah but who voted in these politicians?", | |
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| "text": "How many people hold onto property like an investment (even though they only have 1 property)?", | |
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| "text": "The unrelenting focus on making sure they get theirs when they reach the age where pissing buckets every 15 minutes is driving Australians toward insanity. Australians have literally torn up the social contract and are rapidly taking down society.", | |
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| "text": "The Government is likely taking advice on how to manage the situation and actions will be taken within this generation to unwind disasterous policy and improve the culture + education levels of the population.", | |
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| "text": "To think the Government will not is delusional, irresponsible and testament to the fact that no one cares about the social contract covenant. Anxiety levels and people being rude to each other will sky rocket in the lead up to changes being legislated.", | |
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| "text": "Be kind and civil. We work together to build functioning societies not get whatever we can without any regard for your fellow human.", | |
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| "text": "Matt Barrie is brilliant and his articles / videos and extremely well informed . If only he would enter politics himself .", | |
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| "text": "That happened in 1788 . Or what culture are you talking about ???", | |
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| "text": "This article is a load of shit. It is just pandering to people who think things were better in the past. But it wasn’t better they were younger. This comment section is a recruitment centre for Nazis.", | |
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| "text": "Super rich tell us all our problems are the result of immigration despite the fact that statistics show that housing prices are the result of gouging from landlords and utility of property as an instrument of investment, something pushed almost entirely by domestic developers.", | |
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| "text": "Poor white Australians fall for it yet a-fucking-gain and nothing is fixed. Massive win for the wealthy", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "We actually need to import more hard working immigrants and deport the Centrelink scroungers. Too many Australians are lazy as fu**", | |
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| "text": "I am so fucking tired of this straight up nazi-adjacent lying.", | |
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| "text": "At least in America and the UK there is a strong history of political culture that can call out lies. In Australia we just let racists repeat lies over and over exactly like this one until the average person believes it.", | |
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| "text": "We have been letting massive amounts of immigrants in forever. The number of immigrants coming in is higher because our population is higher. If you adjust it as per capita it is a completely normal increase.", | |
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| "text": "So why would something we have been doing for the past 50 years all of a sudden 2 years ago start causing massive inflation?", | |
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| "text": "You know what other, never-before-seen, world-first event happened? We gave amounts never before seen to the world's wealthiest people. For the first time ever, Trump and Scomo while doing this did not place limitations on this money. They didn't even both to track what happens to it after the first purchase is made by the companies who used it to immediately by back their own stock - something which was ILLEGAL 50 years ago.", | |
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| "text": "But of course all of this is conveniently left out of the discussion everytime another new account jumps on these racist ass subs of this racist ass country and tries to once again blame immigrants. It wasn't true when it was the Chinese 200 years ago, or the italians and irish 50 years ago, it's not true now, you absolutely pathetic lying racist scum. Fuck right off.", | |
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| "text": "He’s pointing to some real issues, the only caveat is his own class interests lead him to incorrectly lay the blame for a bunch of issues at the feet of immigrants that just aren’t accurate.", | |
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| "text": "The only problem that high immigration is a reasonable thing to blame for is a portion of the rental crisis, purely from a point of increasing demand. The wider cost of living crisis isn’t caused by immigration, it’s caused by business so I’m not surprised he isn’t right on that issue.", | |
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| "text": "The rest of his complaints about immigration (cultural deterioration, loss of high trust society, way of life etc) are a fucking mirage that serves to focus frustration on the immigration boogeyman and further divide the working class, same goes for the folks complaining about indigenous rights and WoKEiSm - distractions and division.", | |
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| "text": "I’m sorry but Australian culture has been improved and expanded due to the working class folks who came from abroad, and the high trust society thing is just a work of fiction.", | |
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| "text": "The property bubble is directly caused by policies which focused on turning the housing sector of our property market into an investment vehicle instead of a home market. Artificially low interest rates exacerbated the problem by driving more money into property speculation as other investments became next to useless. Immigration can be a part of increased prices but mostly as a portion of rental price increases.", | |
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| "text": "Sure, housing is a big chunk of overall cost of living, but this weird immigration focus hides the simple fact that we are being gouged by businesses from every direction - Woolworths/Coles, the Banks, gas and other energy prices, telecom, everything. Businesses are making enormous profits and pretending that are so sad that due to the terrible inflation monster they just HAVE to increase prices… but never take a hit to profits.", | |
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| "text": "Way of life is a shapeless blob of a reference that’s handy for his types because it can shape shift whenever the real cause of a slice of the problem is made clear. But let’s point out the biggest factor: work. It is impossible for basically everyone to afford a home and a family without two full-time incomes, and even then for huge chunks of society even that is a losing game which leaves plenty working more jobs or sliding into poverty. This is a choice, once upon a time families could be supported in a decent living with one full-time income (though that distort that person’s personal life contribution). When the much needed movements towards equality for women made large strides into equal participation in the workforce, we had the opportunity to recognise that that workload could be split into the average of two part time jobs and sustain our society just the same. But… priorities being what they are, the focus increased on profits and growth and soon few were left with the time or resources to engage in community.", | |
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| "text": "The people of the working class (of different colour, culture, gender, and sexuality) have been progressively divided, isolated, overworked, and mislead. Progress in equality within our diversity is a real good, however when working class solidarity and rights have been slowly been undermined and business profits been championed as a signal of economic well-being - that good is easily twisted into a tool to divide us further, weakening that ever-important solidarity.", | |
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| "text": "When our interests have more in common with a working class foreigner than with the wealthy owner class in our own country, we cannot let the diversity of our working class countrymen be used as a wedge to divide us.", | |
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| "text": "Stunned mullets. A lot of people in this country are still in shock and yet to fully understand how badly they are being screwed over by the ruling class.", | |
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| "text": "Zero public anger.", | |
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| "text": "Zero retribution.", | |
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| "text": "Zero protests.", | |
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| "text": "She’ll be right mate, the footy’s on.", | |
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| "text": "What I find hilarious is that a lot people who frequent this sub are saying ALP tried to fix it. Or ALP aren't as bad as LNP. No they won't both parties are screwing us over and neither one of them is going to fix it! Looking at the polling for the next general election Australians still aren't waking up to this fact and probably never will!!", | |
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| "text": "Until we vote in a third party who isn't the greens nothing will change.", | |
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| "text": "Problem is: There are a lot of people who are doing very well out of this crisis.", | |
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| "text": "- Politicians", | |
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| "text": "- Boomers", | |
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| "text": "- The wealthy", | |
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| "text": "- Most business owners", | |
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| "text": "And they are the ones controlling everything.", | |
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| "text": "Except the same thing has happened across the Western world. This isnt simply an Australian issue.", | |
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| "text": "I was convinced that people would wake up and get angry back when Abbott was PM.", | |
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| "text": "It was during the boat people and dole bludgers saga.", | |
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| "text": "Turns out that as a species we hate \"the other\" so much that we'll sit through ten years of having our rights and wealth stripped away until many of us are literally sleeping in the streets.", | |
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| "text": "All they have to do is point the finger and we sign it all away.", | |
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| "text": "Not to mention the \"I got mine\" social mechanics of the situation.", | |
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| "text": "\"As long as it doesn't effect me I'll just sit down and stay quiet hoping that it will all just blow over. Anyway, I got my house while it was still cheap and now I get a bonus\"", | |
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| "text": "I honestly wonder at the complacency of it all.", | |
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| "text": "Like when the crime and nastiness starts to really take off and our lives aren't worth living. The same will wonder why it happened to them.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Too many people benefit from it to vote against it.", | |
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| "text": "Those of us who don't are kind of fucked.", | |
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| "text": "Mate clamping down on negative gearing will do fuck all. Its been around since 1922, why is housing only so expensive in the last 25 years? It's supply vs demand. Supply can't keep up with the demand and therefore prices rise. Economics 101. We need to focus on reducing the demand by stabilising the population and clamping down on foreign ownership.", | |
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| "text": "Keep in mind that Bill Shorten is currently a minister in a government that has imported a million extra people during the midst of a housing crisis.", | |
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| "text": "This isn’t negative gearing mate if that’s all you got from the article, you didn’t read much.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Yeah you’re absolutely right we all forgot about that rule in politics", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "If you try a policy in a specific year then you can never try that policy ever again no matter what changes in the country", | |
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| "text": "Such a shame we can’t do anything anymore", | |
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| "text": "Negative gearing didn't cause this shit show. Benefiting from negative gearing simply means you've lost 2x as much as you save on tax.", | |
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| "text": "The market is very simple:", | |
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| "text": "1. Demand up, price up.", | |
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| "text": "2. Supply up, price down.", | |
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| "text": "Immigration = Demand.", | |
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| "text": "Not making land available = Supply down.", | |
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| "text": "Times *can* change", | |
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| "text": "Funny thing was the polls suggested that the majority of australians opposed negative gearing.", | |
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| "text": "Shorten fell on his sword when he went after franking credit refunds and the LNP ran the mother of all scare campaigns that turned the pensioners against him.", | |
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| "text": "Not really, more people voted for Labor when shorten was leader than when albo won.", | |
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| "text": "Fuck man shorten wasn’t elected because he sucked bad and everyone knew it. The guy wouldn’t have even made it to election if paying members of his party had their say, instead they voted 40% for him and 60% for Albo. It’s just that the labor caucus voted more strongly in favor of him that he even took the party to the elections.", | |
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| "text": "Shortens policies didn’t lose that election, shorten and the arrogance of the caucus lost that election.", | |
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| "text": "A small hint for future ALP governments, if your own voters don’t way to vote for your leader maybe consider whether your leader is there for his own selfish career, or to represent the people who pay his salary.", | |
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| "text": "> Last guy brave enough to tackle negative gearing head on wasn't elected. We get what we vote for.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Things have gotten much worse since then, priorities change.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "What has this comment got to do with anything ?", | |
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| "text": "What's your view on immigration?", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Canada and Australia are in a race to the bottom:", | |
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| "text": "https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2024/04/canada-and-australia-caught-in-same-economic-trap/", | |
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| "text": "Anyone who isn't monitoring the Canada situation has their head in the sand", | |
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| "text": "I'll be voting for them!!", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "I'll be voting for them. Not keen on their universal income proposal but like that they intend to curb mass migration", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "I'm not sure I like their policy on slowing housing development in a housing crisis.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "I don't tend to believe in conspiracies but when the numbers seem to align with the conspiracy, it is pretty weird.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Although many years ago I didn't believe the USA govt monitoring internet traffic doco I saw on SBS then the stuff about the NSA came out and it was all true....", | |
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| "text": "It's a sprinkle of the great replacement with a sprinkle of late stage capitalism and a heap of enshittification.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Sry but genuinely don’t know what that is. Can you elaborate?", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Ask the Aboriginal Australians.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "I agree that Australians are way too apathetic and passive.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Having a disability in the UK and Canada that is severe enough that you can't work is a shit-show due to poor support. In Canada, people in that situation are using their euthanasia laws. If that is what you want then just say it.", | |
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| "text": "What leader has run on lower immigration?", | |
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| "text": "Last time it was sustainable was mid John Howard years - we have slowly stretched housing since then, and imported labour for low value jobs - great for Uber services and home delivered takeaway, but really, has this actually improved the lifestyle of Australians?", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "It's a massive essay too long to paste.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "He's exactly right", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "We’re now way too divided for any kind of unity like that", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Would immigration have been lower under Shorten?", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Highly doubtful.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Hes been in government for 2 years. The LNP had 10 years straight before that, and apart from small labor stint in the late 2000s, had 12 years before that", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Keep watching sky news though bruv", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Both Labor & Liberal need to be voted out next election", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Whoever replaces them can’t be worse than they’ve both been", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Banish them all there, along with Trudeau", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Mate watch less sky news hey.. its cooking your brain", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Really glad to know every single issue started in 2022 and wasn't a byproduct of the last three decades of economic/taxation/foreign policy, it's much simpler!", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Didn’t even sell it. Just straight up gave it away", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Keating de-regulated the banks. That started the big problem - allowing people to borrow too much for residential real estate.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Yeah Howard sucked big time. Thanks for selling all our assets for a quick buck buddy", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Call them who they are… boomers", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "The senate trading back then was In return for the GST passing - the state governments would eventually lower or reduce state taxes in return - especially Stamp Duty. The state governments of the day representatives agreed to it in principle - but hey lets blame Howard hey. Ignore all other parties who traded and bargained for or against it and the states to this day not holding their end of the bargain.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "The theory was the reduced state taxes would mean more money spent on other goods increasing GST intake back to states division. But the more you spend on state taxes and fees - the less you have left over to buy other things and therefore less GST revenue in return.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "I use to vote for the Democrats before they spectacular imploded. Their slogan was ' Keep the Bastards Honest '", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "The one with wheels.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Things were absolutely better in the past - health, education, property all good value until about the year 2000 !", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Your post is .....spectacularly obtuse.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "And it has damaged our collective IQ", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "This article is correct", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Wait, things *weren’t* better in the past?", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "But then how can this be the worst possible time in all recorded history to be a young person, as we are constantly hearing?", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Landlords couldn't gouge if the excess demand wasn't there. Poor white Aussies HAVE NOT fallen for it - they have always been against mass immigration (even for racist reasons in the past). Mass immigration and globalism are elite impositions against the majority well being. Most people have been tricked into thinking its good because they see their houses going up for no effort and think its great. The price comes later when your kids can't even get an entry level job and you find yourself a minority in your own country.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "The super rich are a small number - the smug PC middle class are the enforcers of all this. They get the benefits of multiculturalism, we get the costs.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Excessive immigration and price gouging are both factors causing the housing crisis.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Ok Helicopter", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Please check unemployment rates for immigrants vs Australian born. I'm so sick of hearing this bullshit.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Yes please. More hard working Uber drivers is exactly what the country needs", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Bud, we are on track to add 1.5 million people to the country in the first three years of this government. I guess they don't need a roof over their head huh? I guess that won't increase competition for housing?", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "The majority of these are foreign students, using our sham university sector as a backdoor to immigration. We have the highest per capita foreign student population in the entire world. 1 in 30 people in this country are foreign students. We have the highest percentage of people in this country born overseas since records began. This is not like previous waves of immigration.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "The demographics of where I live in Sydney are now unrecognisable from where I grew up. Sydney has added something like 600k people since covid. I no longer feel like I belong in my own country. Am I allowed to have an opinion on the character and culture of my own country? Does that make me racist?", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "70% of Australians want lower immigration, including many recent migrants. I guess we're all just lying racist scumbags huh?", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "What your shitty primitive take ignores is that whenever majority opinion is ignored on immigration, you end up undermining support for multiculturalism generally.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "It's happening in countries all over the world which have run absurd immigration schemes like ours, like Canada and the UK. It's going to happen here too, and calling people racists won't change that fact.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "so many words used to make so many incorrect points", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Great article, Australia is being sold out from under our feet by each consecutive government", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Bread and circus…..", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "The LNP have proven they are absolutely worse than the ALP;: because they've basically been in power for the last 2 decades and literally trashed the place and made policy decisions which have got us here .", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "They've fucked us over , then have the audacity to blame us for their own deceit .", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "I'm old enough to see what we had .", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "We're fucked.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Unions and therefore ALP are equally supportive of high immigration.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "aside from the economic ponzi scheme the LNP desire, the degrading of working conditions immigrant labour introduces I to the system creates a massive push effect to declining union membership.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Labor 100% did run on working on housing, they lost in a landslide..", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "It's high time we started cutting off some heads. Figuratively or literally.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Correct about those except for “most business owners”.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Most small businesses don’t benefit from it because high immigration also brings more competition and also rents go up. Though it can also bring more customers most small bizzes are capped/maxed by other constraints already.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "What you really mean is most big corporations benefit from it. Big banks especially but also corps like Woolworths, Coles etc. but no, not most small businesses.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Some years ago I stopped hoping for a fair system and accepted the steps I had to take to look after those I cared for. No one else was going to help me, so I try and play their game", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Gone are the days where politicians job was to actually govern. Their job now is to just get reelected.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "That wasn't the problem. The people benefiting are not the majority, society is just filled with morons who vote against their own interests.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "I would have to look it up, but I don't think they were even going to remove it completely, just limit how many houses you could use it on.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "There's no way the majority of Australians benefit from negative gearing", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "I’m an economist.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Stopping negative gearing will also help. We need to incentivise investments going into more productive areas of our economy.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Supply is a major part of the equation. Nimbies need to be shut up. Balmain should have medium rise apartment blocks.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Housing became an investment vehicle under Howard combining neg gearing with cgt discounts, in 1922 slum lords were a lot rarer.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "The bigger issue than negative gearing is the capital gains tax concession on investment properties. When this was introduced by Howard in the early 2000s, along with increased immigration, that's when property prices started to diverge from wages, and this has widened ever since.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "The old 'it's only supply' argument is a tactic deployed by governments (and gormlessly trotted out by clueless lefties who consider any discussion of immigration to be simple racism) to prevent any action being taken on the demand side of the issue.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Anyone paying attention knows it's both supply AND demand.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Something else that has been around for 25 years: the 50% capital gains tax discount introduced by Howard. Tax policy DOES matter.\\\\", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "You think Labor wants to be at the helm when this goes pop? This is purely self preservation, it will continue till the poor bastard holding the hot potato becomes unelectable for a decade.", | |
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| "text": "[deleted]", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Mate - they go off about NG all the time here even if the article is on the interest rate decision.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Frankly 99% of the commenters who spew forth their opinion on housing has never read any productivity report, demographia or Grattan report on said housing issues.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "We really should examine whether Big Australia is actually a good idea", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "No", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "He may display some of these attributes you have stated he has.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "The propaganda network of the LNP : News Ltd and an incessant character assassination and scare campaigns convinced voters that they were all entitled to fRaNKinG CReDitS and the Economy would collapse ....That Bill Shorten was somehow worse in disposition then people like Angus , Barnaby , 5 Ministry Morrison, and Dutthead.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Without giving him a go or the policy platform he had behind him , Murdoch convinced most voters he was the AntiChrist and Labor would make our country Communist.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "People bought the horseshit.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Manufacturing consensus built on lies , sewing division, manipulating opinion and installing unease in our society is News Ltds bread and butter", | |
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| "text": "That doesn’t address the salient question.", | |
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| "text": "My view on immigration is that its OK when: limited, consisting of people who are not culturally hostile to Western culture, the economic growth the immigrants create actually goes to the host population. That WAS the state for a long time - but it has run out: see this graph [https://australiainstitute.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Gains-from-Growth-1.png](https://australiainstitute.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Gains-from-Growth-1.png)", | |
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| "text": "The above state is long gone. The late 90s were the high point in Aus. Today's immigration is just churn to increase consumption and demand - and inflate asset prices. It benefits only the rich and the immigrants themselves (there is nothing wrong with wanting a better life but a govt's duty is to its own citizens first - the bulk of them not a parasite elite class).", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "That's my view on immigration.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Why don't you like Universal Income?", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "If anything I think they intend to build more low cost housing than we do currently - I don't see anything about reducing development overall?", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Ensure a minimum 10% affordable housing(2) is integrated into new significant residential developments through a process of inclusionary zoning", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Significantly increase investment in social housing, through both public(3) and community(4) housing, as a proportion of total housing development", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/housing", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Topped with a nice sweet taste of democracy.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Conspiracy theory that the powers that be are intentionally trying to replace white people.", | |
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| "text": "The last PM to significantly reduce immigration was Gough Whitlam; it had been 130,000 per year, throughout the 1960s and into the early 70s. He cut it to 70,000 in 1973.", | |
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| "text": "We haven’t imported labour for low value jobs. The only planned immigration for jobs was targeted skilled migration. What we’ve done is maxed out international students and let them work which fills low paying jobs, then we’ve let them and tourists visa hop and had a massive temporary migrant pool that has filled low value jobs.", | |
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| "text": "This is just lazy immigration policy manifesting.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Unfortunately I'd have to agree with you.. although it'd work with a only a few hundred thousand", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Howard started it 24 years ago but albo made sure to get on stage with Modi and kiss their arse.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "It's both parties for a lot longer than 12 years.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "They’re just referencing that it was Albo signed in the free trade agreement with India.", | |
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| "text": "In the 90s too much was 150k", | |
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| "text": "In 2020s 1M isn’t even enough🤯", | |
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| "text": "I miss the democrats so more and more every year.", | |
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| "text": "There are plenty of things that are significantly better today, too: medical science, the road toll, communication technologies, travel opportunities, smoking rates, anti-pollution laws, a more tolerant society…", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Almost as if… some aspects of life can degrade while simultaneously others improve.", | |
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| "text": "I know this is too nuanced for Reddit, especially for the “Boomers lived charmed, trouble-free lives of luxury, and no generation in all history has ever had it as tough as young people today” crowd (not saying you’re in that crowd, but it’s over-represented here)", | |
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| "text": "Depends what you mean by better.", | |
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| "text": "It was certainly more *affordable* in the past.", | |
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| "text": "The infrastructure was good. Not as much traffic. Cost of living lower, obesity rates lower, but there was more smoking and no iPhones so you make the call!!", | |
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| { | |
| "text": ">Mass immigration and globalism are elite impositions against the majority well being.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Because the middle class and low class bear the burden of mass immigration. And the elite; buy isolated homes on massive country blocks. Sometimes even overseas, like in New Zealand.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "You'd be for mass immigration if you got all the benefits, (cheaper labour for your businesses, and more consumption) and could afford to insulate yourself from the consequences. It would be interesting to know the fertility rate of the 1%", | |
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| "text": "Yes yes you can you dense immigrant hating dumbasses. You can gouge because demand is based on the purchasing of houses in specific areas not the living in them nationally. Use of housing as an investment property, development of non sustainable suburbia instead of higher density buildings and the gouging of people who are dependent on housing and have no other choice with every government that tries to challenge it being lambasted as hating the “poor mum and pop land lords” has created the perfect situation for continuous housing pressure.", | |
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| "text": "This is why major cities like Melbourne, Sydney have tens if not hundreds of thousands of empty properties at any given time, whilst immigration can create a buying pressure it’s by no means the dominant force behind the crisis, we could block immigration today and housing still wouldn’t be fixed, it certainly wouldn’t fix other cost of living issues either.", | |
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| "text": "That’s why without fail anti immigration rhetoric has always been the purview of the ultra wealthy mostly, the Liberal parties conservatives members, people like fucking Palmer, the massive donation list for One Nation. It’s because people like you are happy with no real change provided you’ve got some group of people to target and blame your problems on, for conservatives anti immigration sentiment is a gold mine because it’s the same as doing absolutely nothing while guaranteeing you fuckers continue voting for them", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "I have, much higher levels of participation compared to those born in Australia. It’s actually a great example and backs up my original point. Thank you.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "There is obviously a market for it. Just seems weird to me that people can immigrate start off as Uber drivers then end up as landlords. Meanwhile half of reddit Australia is complaining. Obviously doing something right.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "By the way you should work on your sentence structure and attention to detail, would definitely help you get ahead of immigrant Uber drivers.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "> Does that make me racist?", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "I love that you literally say you want segregation based on race, refer to a country where there are literally nazi race riots happening right now (UK), and then say I'm ridiculous for calling you racist.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "If you're going to be an arse and ignore literally all academic and scientific knowledge - at least don't be a coward about the fact that you want to be racist. It's even more embarassing that you have to pretend like you're not a racist while going down the list of talking points Hitler's government used to justify segregation", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Yeah agreed, but you're dreaming if you think ALP will fix it.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "And Labor have turned UP immigration from that high level! Is that OK?", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Which unions are pro high immigration?", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Yeah with policies that will do bugger all to help. Want to help, fix the demand issues. Stabilise the population and curb foreign ownership. Everything else is just a pipe dream.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "There's a very large overlap between small business owners and LNP voters. Despite them being screwed six ways to Sunday by them", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Business owners are usually homeowners. More often than not.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Ahhh, the old boomer go to of \"Fuck you, I got mine and still want more,\"", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "And set yourself up for a cushy job with a mining company or defence contractor.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "That's a two-sided comment though - either you want to discourage property investment or you want to increase supply. Pick one.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "Nah Tax has very little impact and is not the root cause of the issue. Capital gains discount only applies to those flicking them on. A lot of older investors just sit on their empires.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "As I said root cause is the demand driven by rapid population growth and foreign ownership. Until they sort both of those there can be no real change in affordability.", | |
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| }, | |
| { | |
| "text": "One reason amongst others is that there are organisations that supply support workers and supported living accommodation that are diddling the system. Every now and then theres another one in the paper being prosecuted and fined.", | |
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| "text": "You expect him to fix it within a year and a half of being elected?", | |
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| "text": "Big Australia is destroying us", | |
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| "text": "I disagree. That would be true if it was a close battle, but even his own party members didn’t want him. He was unelectable. He only won out preselection because of tone deaf politicians playing political games.", | |
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| "text": "This is probably the best, most succinct way I’ve seen it put: *Today’s immigration is just churn to increase consumption and demand*", | |
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| "text": "Everything’s low quality and no one cares or is going to complain. As you say, it’s the disposable / consumption / churn culture now for the benefit of those selling it.", | |
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| "text": "I think it will be too inflationary and too costly. But happy to be proven wrong ", | |
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| "text": "The page linked in the comment I replied to says \"Stop overdevelopment (including housing sprawl and inappropriate high-rise)\" which I interpreted as slowing or stopping development.", | |
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| "text": "I'm not up to speed with conspiracy theory whatevers, but is it about race, or is it about whoevever can provide the highest numbers of economic input? I sort of feel like heritage is irrelevant in the face of capitalist greed.", | |
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| "text": "Well, that’s very telling isn’t it - when you have your go that far back!", | |
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| "text": "Must admit I’m surprised it was Gough", | |
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| "text": "Exactly this. And international students can (or could?) only work a maximum of about 25 hours, which obviously isn’t enough to survive, so the rest of the work is under-the-table cash work.", | |
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| "text": "Prices are being artificially kept down.", | |
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| "text": "Yep - that is exactly what’s going on , and the outcome is a labour force for low value jobs, I find it difficult to believe this isn’t the aim of what is going on.", | |
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| "text": "It’s also why the headline immigration number in policies is useless.", | |
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| "text": "I’d be there beside you ", | |
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| "text": "An investment that returns 7%pa will double every 10 years, so as an investment that is not crazy numbers.", | |
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| "text": "The problem is all policy treats housing as investment and not a life sustaining commodity. Also you can put down 10-20% but you take the gains on the full value.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Oh Boomers definitely did not have trouble free lives - but they certainly had it easier financially! A house in sydney was six times the average salary in the 1970s etc etc.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "But if you were a minority or even someone who was just different then life was certainly less fun.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "A woman couldn't even get a loan from a bank until the 1980s if she was unmarried.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "So I should have said everything was more appropriately funded and worked better until about 2000. Not everything was better in general. Sorry", | |
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| { | |
| "text": ">Medical science, the road toll, communication technologies, travel opportunities, smoking rates, anti-pollution laws, a more tolerant society…", | |
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| "text": "What did mass-migration and the associated effects have to do with any of that?", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "I choose affordable and more smoking.", | |
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| "text": "[removed]", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Non participation doesn't mean you're on the dole. If you don't like Aussies you can leave.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Half of them cheat the tax and welfare system.", | |
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| "text": "Thanks mate. Weird iPhone predictive text likes to try and write its own shit. But I do own my own house. Also have an investment property and some shares. Bought myself a nice watch a couple of days ago cause I’m doing just fine. Quite the opposite of the incessant whinging of reddit. Didn’t need to drive an Uber for it either.", | |
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| "text": "The ALP is a progressive party. It will try to do \"something\". The LNP, as a conservative group is a do nothing government. They like the status quo.", | |
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| "text": "Let Ablo cook! /s", | |
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| "text": "Perhaps. But most business owners especially small business owners understand that higher housing cost and rents means less expendable income for customers to spend on their business.", | |
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| "text": "So at the end of the day it means less business for them. Again the companies this doesn’t really apply to are necessities like groceries who basically get only the upside and banks just get a privileged position of printing money where nobody else can and also get all the upside of excessive immigration without any downside.", | |
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| "text": "Generally speaking owners of smaller businesses have more downside than upside whereas big corporations have the opposite more upside.", | |
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| "text": "Thanks... I'm Gen X. The steps if you're interested", | |
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| "text": "1. bought an unremarkable unit on a fringe suburb near a train station/shops. The unit was bought for around $450k in 2016. Suburb chosen for potential to be on the edge of affordability (for example, what Watsonia would be considered now)", | |
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| "text": "2. refinanced to obtain cash for house deposit so we weren't rushed to upscale", | |
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| "text": "3. waited for a bargain, found one post covid near good schools... sold unit for $760k in 2020", | |
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| "text": "4. bought house in 2020 for $960k, renovated and refinanced at $1.3m", | |
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| "text": "5. used equity in home to buy investment property", | |
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| "text": "6. set up SMSF and bought vacant land in coastal area for retirement with wife, also bought with position and proximity to melbourne in mind.", | |
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| "text": "Other than the SMSF property the others are on mortgages - one paid through a trust and leased to our business. Both mortgages are around $6k each / month, bought pre-interest rate hike so we've only got noses above water despite household income above $300k. Both parents self employed - wouldn't have done it otherwise as the risk of redundancy would have been too high.", | |
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| "text": "Best thing we did was not overextend on first purchase, live in a bit of a dump and be careful where we bought. As I said - trying to play the game.", | |
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| "text": "… No.", | |
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| "text": "We want houses to be places where people live (laugh, love).", | |
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| "text": "We want many options for people. We want supply to meet demand. We don’t want empty houses everywhere.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "We want people to buy houses to live in, not to profit from.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Ah so the thing that lines up perfectly with explosive house prices is not to blame. Anti immigration types are real smart I tell ya.", | |
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| "text": "Most party members voted they did want him.", | |
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| "text": "Well the idea is that a system like UBI would replace Centrelink completely. Which one would cost more in the long run I couldn't say - but there would certainly be less bloat under UBI, and more money in the hands of people who need it.", | |
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| "text": "Stop overdevelopment does not mean stop development.", | |
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| "text": "Do you want rampant development without new infrastructure or environmental safeguards?", | |
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| "text": "The policy is explained here:", | |
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| "text": "[https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/planning/](https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/planning/)", | |
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| "text": "[removed]", | |
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| "text": "> I sort of feel like heritage is irrelevant in the face of capitalist greed.", | |
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| "text": "This. A thousand times this. \"The Great Replacement\" has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with flooding economies with warm bodies that", | |
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| "text": "1. will drive wages down", | |
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| "text": "2. keep the GDP from tanking", | |
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| "text": "3. and are not citizens.", | |
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| "text": "During his time as PM, he also expressed a desire for a Australia to remain a *low population* country.", | |
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| "text": "Not all housing returns that though 🤔", | |
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| "text": "Strange take, I love Australians, they keep paying their rent on my investment properties.", | |
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| "text": "Happy for you. Announcing a watch purchase is a bit of a poor person thing to do but good on you.", | |
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| "text": "The ALP is in power *right now*. I'm so fucking tired of hearing people say \"they *will* do something\". When? Because if they really intended to they'd be doing it right now.", | |
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| "text": "I'm a millennial. Our horse is well and truly bolted.", | |
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| "text": "I appreciate the kind response though.", | |
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| "text": "Come on bud, if you're really an economist you don't need this explained. *Nobody* is building houses for free. Renters still need houses. So it has to be profitable to build them or else people won't and the govt sure as shit can't afford it.", | |
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| "text": "We have a massive supply shortfall right now, so we desperately need people building houses for others to live in, but why would anyone pour money into something they won't make money off?", | |
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| "text": "What's your solution if you disagree? What's your \"how\"?", | |
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| "text": "Have you looked at the population and immigration charts in the article above? Australian net overseas migration went from around 80k per year or less for most of the previous century.since early 2000,s it has been well over 200k. Yet last year we were only able to build 164k dwellings.", | |
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| "text": "To quote Leith vsn Olsen, chief Economist at MB fund and super. \"If the federal government simply reduced net overseas migration to the historical average of around 100k people per year. Then our cities wouldn't grow like cancer cells and we wouldn't experience chronic housing shortages. It's the extreme immigration, stupid!\"", | |
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| "text": "Source: https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2024/01/australias-housing-shortage-projected-to-worsen-in-2024/", | |
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| "text": "It certainly is.", | |
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| "text": "The scheme was fine when it was created.", | |
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| "text": "https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-13/bill-shorten-elected-labor-leader/5019116", | |
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| "text": "The membership voted 59.2 percent for Anthony Albanese (who in a subsequent election was voted in as PM as well).", | |
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| "text": "The reason shorten was taken to election was because the caucus voted him in. It was totally predictable that he would lose.", | |
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| "text": "Ubi will be an inflation circlejerk. We can't all have Ferraris. It just doesn't work", | |
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| "text": "I am only talking capital gains. I assume most properties are negatively geared.", | |
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| "text": "How can they afford your rent if they don't work, troll?", | |
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| "text": "It could be a very fucking nice watch 🤔", | |
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| "text": "Depends on how much it cost I suppose. But then assuming people are poor is kind of a poor person thing to do too", | |
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| "text": "If you can't see all the stuff they are doing you are willfully blind.", | |
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| "text": "Takes time to fix these issues.", | |
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| "text": "They are doing things to fix it right now. But 1) it takes time to undo decades of failure 2) media is skewed against reporting on government wins 3) the average australian is fucking stupid and think that things can happen instantly.", | |
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| "text": "Look at the submarine fiasco. People are blaming Albo for a deal done by Scommo.", | |
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| "text": "Haha. Yes!!!", | |
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| "text": "https://preview.redd.it/i8227ae4kgcd1.png?width=1033&format=png&auto=webp&s=6ed518259f2a7a077239094ad6ef5b302a876db2", | |
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| "text": "I don't think the horse has bolted - it's maybe not pretty but here:", | |
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| "text": "This the sort of thing we started in... we had two kids. you would only be in it for 3-4 years before the tunnel is finished and the area gets noticed. The infrastructure alone will increase the value by then (NE Link due to finish 2028)", | |
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| "text": "My “how” is that the government should build houses. It’s not sustainable to distribute housing purely through a market.", | |
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| "text": "Yep. But no poor lazy people want to hear it", | |
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| "text": "All that shows is that in the 1950s we had a FASTER rate of population growth (percentage wise) and we did fine.", | |
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| "text": "Vote down my response but got no answer. We all know it is a combination of things, but you will sit there and pretend it is only immigration because you are a racist.", | |
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| "text": "You must be trolling if you think UBI is about giving everyone Ferraris.", | |
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| "text": "It's about providing the absolute bare minimum, not luxury items. Because without providing the bare minimum we instead have to pay more for things like crime, increased health care costs and lower productivity", | |
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| "text": "Generous government benefits and rent assistance.", | |
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| "text": "That is why I would never assume.", | |
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| "text": "They have increased immigration. Is that one of the fixes?", | |
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| "text": "Are you suggesting you're an advocate for higher taxes then? Cuts to Medicare, education, defence, NDIS? Which ones? A million homes costs literally hundreds of billions of dollars, even conservatively. The current govt goal is 1.2m houses over 5 years... To be paid for via (among other initiatives) *encouraging* foreign investment in build to rent property because it simply cannot be done any other way.", | |
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| "text": "You stop investment, you literally stop the building. I can't believe you're claiming any knowledge of economics at all reading your comments - this shit is taught very clearly in every econ101 class in the country.", | |
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| "text": "Let's go to the money tree for some cash. Then government can fix everything", | |
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| "text": "Wow. I've hired a Cambodian and now a Nigerian last week in my position as an IT manager. So yeah I'm so racist. I wasn't even going to respond to you as you just sound really ignorant and throwing the \"you're racist\" card at me just proves it. CGT tax and negative gearing have nothing to do with the issue, changing those will solve nothing. The problem is to do with supply v demand. It's economics 101. We are not making enough housing to keep up with population increase. That is why rents and house prices are high. Japan is experiencing the opposite of this right now with their decline population. They can't give away some house in the smaller prefects as they don't have the population anymore", | |
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| "text": "Go back to your roids bro. Conversation over.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Well this is just a dumb view then and you can’t be helped.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "Those in need get that now. Why give me a ubi when I don't need it?", | |
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| "text": "Gov benefits aren't that generous", | |
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| "text": "Besides the assumptions that I’m “behind” an Uber driver and need to get ahead or that I buy cheap watches. Yeah, no assumptions.", | |
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| "text": "No they haven't, most of the numbers quoted were the back log of approved visas by the libs over covid and people returning from covid.", | |
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| "text": "The net migration was -71% during covid and +73% after it, a net change of 2% overall in immigration numbers.", | |
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| "text": "And they have already lowered the numbers going forward.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "You are referring to neoliberal economics 101.", | |
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| { | |
| "text": "I think workers should own the means of production, for the most part. I’m a market socialist.", | |
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| "text": "I think that citizens should share the products of our labour and distribute it to things like Medicare and housing. I support a Soviet style system of housing.", | |
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| "text": "The money tree is the iron ore et al in the ground.", | |
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| "text": "Do you think that hiring people of different races makes you provably non racist? Lol.", | |
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| "text": "The fact that you talk about econ 101 \"supply vs demand\" but just ignore the demand that tax incentives create is laughable. Absolutely absurd.", | |
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| "text": "Pretty funny that you went through my profile and concluded I used roids. Man the logic going through your head is impressive. How do you tie your shoes in the morning? Is this how you concluded \"it's definitely not tax treatment of housing\".", | |
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| "text": "Because if you don't need it you immediately pay it back the same way taxes are automatically taken out of your pay - no effort required.", | |
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| "text": "But on the flip side- If you lose your job you are immediately covered, without needing to apply for anything or be means tested.", | |
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| "text": "The means test is \"Did you earn a certain amount this month\". It's simple to implement and hard to cheat.", | |
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| "text": "The real question is why so we need a shitty system like Centrelink when there are better alternatives?", | |
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| "text": "For anybody hearing about UBI for the first time please Google it - I cannot do the concept justice but it is remarkable in its simplicity", | |
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| "text": "Any level compensation for adding no value is generous .", | |
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| "text": "How is the soviet system working over there right now? Free housing for all in Russia?", | |
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| "text": "So the problem here is that you're claiming expertise in Economics whilst pushing a lot of \"I think\" and \"we want\". You're not actually dealing with reality. This is not how our country functions at the moment and isn't likely to any time soon.", | |
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| "text": "Your ideas may or may not have merit, but they're hypothetical and have nothing to do with actually solving the problem we are faced with right now.", | |
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| "text": "You can be mad and downvote me, but you are not giving any useful input into the actual issue at hand by muddying it up with your daydreams of an economy that does not exist here.", | |
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| "text": "Yes agree we shouldn't have given away mineral rights so cheaply", | |
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| "text": "Depends on the circumstances", | |
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