Project Manager: Okay , welcome everyone to our next meeting . I'm busy writing and busy leading the meeting , but um I've prepared a little presentation once again um or at least an agenda I think uh the biggestpart of the presentation will be uh on your side . Um we are here at the conceptual design meeting , which is hereby opened . Um once again I will try to uh write some minutes which I just from the previous meeting uhplaced inside our project folder , which was quite some typing . Um today we once again have uh three presentations , if I'm right , and after that we will take a decision on the remote control concepts . And just as thelast time we have forty minutes to accomplish that . Okay , wellIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I'd say let's start with the first presentation .Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: Um in the same orderas last time ?Industrial Designer: W sure .User Interface: Mm . Alright .Project Manager: Okay . Well , take it away .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {gap} {vocalsound} Okay uh welcome you all .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Components design , um {vocalsound} uh first of all uh I would like to uh uh accommodate some of those uh things I uh uh {disfmarker} elaboratesome of the things I did . I I elaborated on the concept . What should be um uh said about uh the components , uh its properties and what kind of materials should we use to uh to make uh one of those r remotecontrols . Uh well first of all I've uh d subtracted some of the components that is that are used uh are w w um {vocalsound} you know from what uh the remote control's formed . Uh first of all , the case , the case , thesurrounding of the of the the remote control . {vocalsound} I would like to uh give you an idea of uh how I thought about .Marketing: Don't destroy my giraffe .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Giraffe's gone now.Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay um the case was is made from rubber , I suppose . There's one of the {disfmarker} because when you use a remote control a lot ofpeople uh will uh will uh drop their remote controlMarketing: Drop it .User Interface: Hmm .Industrial Designer: and they break uh becau the uh titanium was also an option . But uh it's a very expensive material . Uhrubber is , I think , uh the best suitable uh material uh to use uh for our uh for our remote control . Um it's poss it's also possible to uh create fancy colours with rubber . Uh rubber l makes it easy to uh to to{disfmarker} it lets lets itself colour . Uh titanium uh you have to paint it and with that uh it's possible to scratch it or uh yeah make it ugly . Uh rubber uh the total uh piece of rubber that's sor uh that's that's used uhto make the case is uh the same colour , so if you scratch it it's still the same colour , perhaps uh it's a little bit damaged . But it's a very strong material . Um {vocalsound} I h I had an idea single covered uh curved ,sorry , single curved .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh so it's t two dimensional . I think it's uh it's best to draw ohUser Interface: {vocalsound} It's a colour . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: green.Marketing: {vocalsound} Bright colour . Fancy colour . Forward .Industrial Designer: Uh {disfmarker} New . Blank . Okay .Marketing: You have to go tIndustrial Designer: Let's make it uh black . Okay . I thought of anidea like this . Oh {gap} that . {vocalsound} Um delete . Blank . Okay . So it also looks nice when it's on your table .User Interface: {gap}Industrial Designer: So you get uh it doesn't lay flat down on the table , but it'sc it's stands .Marketing: Oh it's a side view .Industrial Designer: Side view yes it's side view so uh I I'm not technically good at th three D_ modelling ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: but .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Um uh it's just an idea I had so it's uh it's very uh so its also looks nice when it's on the table . Um the graphical user interface and the buttons , uh we also thought about that already .Uh I thought about uh the L_C_D_ touch screen , which is uh is easy to clean too . One of the great uh advantages of the L_C_D_ screen you just use some {gap} or uh another uh cleaning uh uh cl some cleaning stuff.User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And um it should be made of strong plastic and it should be bright . Well I already uh s uh explained some properties of that material and I think uh well we also wealmost concluded about that uh this should uh be uh our uh button component .Marketing: True .Industrial Designer: So uh uh that's all about uh the buttons . Uh the batteries , uh we also thought about that already ,uh will be chargeable with uh uh an option for a mount station so you can uh put the uh {vocalsound} the remote control in a mount station so its charges itself up instead of uh plugging it in or something like that .Questions , {gap} ?User Interface: No . {vocalsound}Marketing: No no no no no . Just looking .Industrial Designer: And they should be long lasting , not uh not be empty uh in about uh two minutes or uh thirtyminutes or forty minutes of use . And next step is the chip uh th the component that's uh makes or transmits the signal to the television . Uh there was an option to use s a rather simple chip but I think uh because uhof our uh highly uh requiring uh requirements , there should be an advanced chip in itUser Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: with uh also the ability to uh facilitate speaker speech recognition uh whichunfortunately is still in a test phase , so uh there should be some more uh investigation on that side . Uh my personal preferences uh I also overheard in the last meeting that there shou we should use uh our ownbusiness colours . That was correct , wasn't it ?Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Okay . I think they are rather boring for um for use with rubber .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well ,business colours I thought it was the the slogan and uh the corporate image , so yeah , it needs colour ,Industrial Designer: Okay they should be m sh they should be in mind ,Project Manager: but I don't think youhave to make the entire thing in the corporate colour . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: wasn't it ? Okay so it d it doesn't says uh to uh have the slogan ?Project Manager: It must be recognisable .Industrial Designer:Okay okay . Well that's possible of course .User Interface: You can put the R_ and R_ . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: We could make a little R_ and R_ {gap} on the top of the machine . Uh so they are {vocalsound}pretty boring , I suggest , because just the availability with rubber to make fantastic colours uh and also in a lot of possible colours , so it's possible to make very uh fancy uh remote controls which peopl uh who peoplein which people will find they're uh interesting . And uh will buy uh {vocalsound} them faster when they look at the same old grey or black uh colours . Uh s as I said uh before rubber is uh is impossible to damageseverely imp instead of uh of course you can break it when you you when you break it in s for example with a pair of scissors or something like that , but i if you drop it it's not uh broken uh right away s instead of usinguh plastic , hard plastic or uh titanium . And I personally liked uh the single curved uh remote control , because it yeah it makes sense .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay . Well that'sall about my uh my findings .User Interface: Alright .Project Manager: Okay , thank you .User Interface: I will go next .Marketing: Mm mm mm . Next .User Interface: {gap}Industrial Designer: {gap}User Interface:Alright soIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: I thought a little bit about the interface . Uh how it should look . And uh {vocalsound} uh we uh determined that will not be no buttons , but only an L_C_D_screen , so I had to uh look on that . And the design is therefore based on what we just uh uh thought of . Uh first there are some new findings and new technology for speech recognition . And this is that uh um uh uhyou you ask you give a question through through the device and it answers you . And they already uh put this in an in a coffee maker . And so that it you say uh good morning , uh coffee maker , and it says t says toyou back good morning Joe or what's your name .Industrial Designer: Mm .User Interface: This uh and there's an easy way to uh program that uh you say record into the device into the speaker and then you say thequestion and three seconds later you say the answer and then when you say the question it gives you the answer . Um perhaps it's useful ,Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: perhaps forbecause people um lose the remote ,Industrial Designer: Mm .User Interface: they can yell uh remote where are you and {gap} calls or something .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: It's true .User Interface:And perhaps we could uh implement that .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: And then I have to go out of the presentation because I tried to make some kind of a a idea of how it shouldlook likeIndustrial Designer: Oh my God . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: but I can't draw , so uh don't {vocalsound} make too much of it {vocalsound} . I tried to uh the L_C_D_ screen I tried to sort of todraw {gap} . I thought uh at least uh the icon for the volume . I don't know if there is an icon for the program , butIndustrial Designer: Not just a P_ .User Interface: yeah .Marketing: P_ yeah , just a P_ .UserInterface: So uhIndustrial Designer: .. . {gap}User Interface: and then the buttons above and uh belowMarketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: the and the and the mute button also recognisable as an icon . Um.Marketing: Where's where's the button for two {gap} ?User Interface: I forgot that one . {vocalsound} I thought I forgot something ,Industrial Designer: {gap}Marketing: Okay .User Interface: but uh {vocalsound}.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: And uh and uh the numbers , that should be a bit larger I think it's not really on scale and and so forth .Industrial Designer: Ah .Marketing: Doesn't matter .UserInterface: Um an options button . And I thought the the button for teletext apar uh apart because it's not really options , I think . It's uh options is the settings of the remote and of the T_V_ and that kind of uh thing.Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: No .User Interface: So could call it settings or something .Industrial Designer: Yep .User Interface: But this is a bit uh how I thought it . And uh the L_C_D_ uh somewhere onthe remote . Perhaps we could be more curvy the remote perhaps should , so that it's better in your hand or something uh .Industrial Designer: Oh okay ,User Interface: But uh and and uh a microph microphone for thespeech uh recognition if we want to implement that .Industrial Designer: yeah .User Interface: Uh and then uh if you press the op options button , now we have an example of and then you should get the other optionswith what what you could do and that you could do with something like this this .Industrial Designer: Oh yeah , {gap} .User Interface: And uh it's also uh I thought think we discussed uh earlier that uh older peopledon't really want to use uh these extra settings . And older people a also don't really want to use this uh th this kind of option menus . So they want to u use one button and then something happens , and not choosewith uh this kind of uh {disfmarker} And you could put in a an a really s little scrolling device on the side of your uh remote ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: so you could scroll scroll uh across these uhthings .Industrial Designer: Mm . Okay .User Interface: That's an option . And that was my uh finding dinge .Project Manager: Thanks .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Now our thirdIndustrial Designer: Go Danny , go Danny . {vocalsound}Project Manager: team member with his presentation .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} Okay , I'm going to tell you something about a trend watching . The trends from the past years , what the people like , what the youngsters like , what the elderly people liked about shapes , colours ,material and stuff . 'Kay . The method I used was {disfmarker} Like I told I watched the trends from the past years about colours , shapes , material they wanted uh from elderly and young people . So we can keep thatin mind for designing f uh the device itself . Findings I made . The most important thing people liked last year was that the remote control should be look look fancy . The second important thing that w should be if inv ininnov innovative , okay , like the L_C_D_ screen that's {vocalsound} quite innovative so that should be great meeting for this . And the third thing is it should be easy to use . I think with only one menu , four button ,channel , volume , it should also be enough for easy to use . The personal preferences for the young people , they liked fruity colours like uh banana yellow , uh strawberry red and stuff .Industrial Designer: Fruity ?{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Grass green .Industrial Designer: Fruity . {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah . Like that . The round shapes , and soft material m materials like the rubber .Industrial Designer: Mm. Okay .Marketing: It should be soft uh i it should feeling spongy or s Sponge Bob like things .User Interface: {vocalsound} Let's build it into a sponge .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound}Marketing:Th Elderly people like au colours which y are being seen in autumn like um woods um dark brown , red , deep reds and stuff . They liked square shapes with round edges . And hard materials like wood , um titanium .They those kind of materials they liked . This is a bit like the young peoples like the fruity colours , innovative , all the colours you see , the blue , the red , the white , the yellow , that stuff . And then I th I I personallythought the front side of the shape should be something for the youngsters like likeProject Manager: Oh y {vocalsound}Marketing: this or something . It's it's a bit like a banana . And the colour should be yellow , orsomething .Industrial Designer: {gap}Marketing: And for the elderly people just plain old . Because we decided to have two kind of remotes , two designs , or was it two colours ?User Interface: It was one remote , Ithink ,Marketing: Different colours , yeah .User Interface: different colours .Marketing: We should decide whether it's going to be with round shapes . I think like my colleague , you said , is that's e better , or for theelderly people something like like the iPod or something , with round squares . Simple butUser Interface: {gap}Marketing: easy to use .Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: {vocalsound} So that's it .Project Manager:So for the older people , a more traditional uh form .Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing: That is my {disfmarker} Yeah , like the older o older colours I can maybe {disfmarker}User Interface: You could you could uhchange the colours , that was also the idea . I don't know which shape you should should take ,Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: but .Marketing: {vocalsound} Colours th the elderly people {disfmarker}Project Manager:Yeah , I guess changing colours will be easier than changing uhUser Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Changing just the shape of the uh remote control ?Project Manager: the shape of it .User Interface: Perhaps youcould find something in the middle . Round but square . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah , sProject Manager: {gap}Industrial Designer: round corners , but s but square , yeah .Project Manager: But maybe thenboth groups won't buy it .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Uh i i if you do it uh uh square , with round corners but a little uh in the middle of it uh i Do youknow what I mean ?Industrial Designer: Yeah I know what you mean , kind of like a {gap} . {vocalsound}User Interface: {gap} wait , like {vocalsound} like this {vocalsound} uh a bit .Industrial Designer: Yeah .UserInterface: So it's a bit square , but it's also a bit uh round .Industrial Designer: Kinda like a beer glass . {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: So but then {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: I know what you mean .UserInterface: Same sides . {vocalsound} But that's uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: It's also easy to to have {vocalsound} to to put in your hand .User Interface: Yeah but that's also how other remotes are shaped , sothat's uh {disfmarker} But perhaps that's a good thing ,Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: so that's easy to use . People know the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Will recognise that's as a remote control .UserInterface: Yeah .Marketing: Uh {disfmarker} Look something like that {gap} . Autumn colours like red , brown .Industrial Designer: Uh when I saw your d Oh .Marketing: They liked the wood a lot .Industrial Designer:Huh .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: So maybe we could give it like wooden loo look look or something in that colour .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah , kinda like old cars ,uh {disfmarker}Marketing: And a bit bit old school style renaissance , medieval kind of things .User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Swords .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Let's put it all together .Marketing: Those kind of {disfmarker} Yeah , those kind of things . So you see the big difference between the young people ? Fresh , exciting.User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: {gap}Marketing: And the old people , old and boring .User Interface: But that's easily to do with the colour , I think .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: So{disfmarker} Sorry ?User Interface: That's easy to do with the colours , I think .Marketing: Yeah I think it's it's easier to do in colour than in shape .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah we think so too.Industrial Designer: Uh .Marketing: Because otherwise we have to {gap} get different shapes , and colour {gap} way easier than yeah the shapes . In material yeah rubber , rubber is , like I said , young people likemore soft materials and spongy onesIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: and the old people like {vocalsound} plain wood .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: So we have to decide ifwe're going to use real hard rubber , or soft rubber . Or something something between that .User Interface: Yeah think uh {disfmarker} Also in between . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Soft rubber .Marketing: Yeah{gap} soft rubberIndustrial Designer: {gap}Marketing: which you can you can feel in it .Industrial Designer: Yeah I know what you {disfmarker} Um .User Interface: I don't think you should be able to mould it,Marketing: Or {disfmarker}User Interface: but {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: It should shouldn't be {gap} .Marketing: No . Or or wh what's something harder . No no no but but you have to like likelike a a eraser or something . That's the bit you can press it in ,User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: or something harder .Industrial Designer: Uh .User Interface: Bit like this kind of rubber . This uh {disfmarker}Marketing:Yeah , something like this , yeah .User Interface: But it's quite hard , this .Marketing: Yeah it's quite hard but you can press it in .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: It's feels kind s spongy .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Spongy .Project Manager: Hmm .Marketing: Something . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} I don't think it's rubber .Marketing: No . N n nProject Manager: So we need aspongy feeling . {vocalsound}User Interface: Uh did you have something about uh {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} Are you going to invite Sponge Bob , maybe he can {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah.Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: So we should first decide about shape , I think .Industrial Designer: Ding ding .User Interface: Which uh {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah I think that's thebetter thing to do . {vocalsound}User Interface: Then you can fit the L_C_D_ screen in it ,Marketing: {gap}User Interface: and can decide uh .Industrial Designer: Um I also s uh can't help but notice {vocalsound} thatyou uh used an {disfmarker} you had a remote control {gap}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and the L_C_D_ screen was uh rather small . Um .Marketing: YeahUser Interface: YeahMarketing: w Ithink that L_C_D_ screen should be like {disfmarker}User Interface: it it's supposed to be bit s bit s bitIndustrial Designer: .. . This was your size ,User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: but I think it should be larger.Marketing: Yeah three quarter of the of the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah , three quarters . So uh so you don't have to put your {disfmarker} {vocalsound} oh .Marketing: Yeah the buttons won't get that


Project Manager: Okay , is everybody ready ?Industrial Designer: Yeah ?Marketing: Yeah I'd to just put on my microphone here and I'll be right with you .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Okay ?Project Manager:Um {vocalsound} I take it you all have received instructions as to what you were supposed to doIndustrial Designer: Mm ?User Interface: Yes .Project Manager: and um I think the Marketing Manager probably shouldgo first , addressing the needs and desires .Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay you want me to start right now ?Project Manager: Yeah , mm-hmm .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Well , couldyou um put my slides up 'cause I think it might be helpful if uh we looked at the slides at the same time .Project Manager: Okay . You're participant four .Marketing: I'm participant four I believe . Yes uh-huh .ProjectManager: Okay , and now I can uh full screen .Marketing: 'Kay .Industrial Designer: Open .Project Manager: Uh , okay , okay .Marketing: There we go . Okay well I think we have introduced ourselves ,IndustrialDesigner: And then full screen .Marketing: so the functional requirements are {disfmarker} is {vocalsound} is part of my goal but why don't we pass right to the second slide . Cause that's where m my discussion starts. Right well um since I'm in charge of trying to figure out what we should put on this thing since I have to try to sell it .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Um {vocalsound} I thought that the method I shouldfollow would be gather suggestions from everybody , and th the reason I just put that there like that is that uh in the init in the initial stage I think I should just be open to lots of suggestions . You know you can sayanything you want no matter how silly it sounds you know it should run your car , it should heat up your motor if should um turn on your C_D_ {vocalsound} whatever you want it to do {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: 'Kay .Marketing: um and then as we go on what we'll have to do is accept and eliminate these suggestions according to um design and budget feasibility . So I'll be coming to you um frequently as theIndustrial Expert to tell me how hard it's gonna be to add a feature or how expensive it's gonna be or if your time , if it takes five years to develop this it's just something we can't do .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . Hmm hmm . Mm .Marketing: So in the beginning just have a big puddle of things that we {disfmarker} anybody can th throw anything inIndustrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: and then just weedthings out that can't be done for one reason or another , and then the things that seem the most attractive that to uh to a customer we'll try to then prioritise those .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm . Yeah .Marketing: Sothat was um what I meant there , and as I said on the slide there consulting the Industrial Engineer about that and the other thing is timing is really gonna be as important as money , because if we're gonna sell thisthing , I think the best time to sell it is as a Christmas present . Twenty five Euros makes a nice little present , and we want it to be an impulse purchase ,Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: we want somebody to see itand think it's , gee I just gotta have that . And take out their wallet and buy it . So it's gotta be really attractive and it {disfmarker} but it's gotta go to market by September , 'cause anything that you don't already haveout there in September showing it around , isn't gonna sell for Christmas .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Um {vocalsound} and then I'll be coming to you as the User Interface person to try to tell me from yourpoint of view what are the most friendly features that we could put on it and try to prior help me with that prioritising of uh of the features and of the the look and the colourUser Interface: Okay .Marketing: and I'll becoming back to you to help weed out those suggestions from that point of view .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: So I'll be coming to you for how much is it gonna cost us and how long is it gonna take you ,IndustrialDesigner: Mm mm-hmm .Marketing: and I'll be coming to you to tell me what's gonna make somebody take out their wallet you know ,User Interface: What features .Marketing: what what's what's gonna really be whatthey call a sizzle ,User Interface: S sellable . Yes {vocalsound} .Marketing: 'cause we gotta sell this sizzle {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: A lot of times the thing that works the best from anengineering point of view isn't the thing that somebody's really just gonna take out their wallet and buy for Christmas for for their child or for their husband or whatever .User Interface: Yes .Marketing: Okay can we goto the next slide please ? Alright I I already did a little bit of research after our first meeting where we threw out some ideas and it looks to me that within the budget that we're looking at the uh the whole house ideareally isn't gonna be possible . So I'd like your suggestions to come back to the other slide where I was saying we we could suggest anything .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: I'd like the suggestions to bereally specific , so that we'll have a list of things we can cross off , not something like you know whole house control what'll be {vocalsound} {disfmarker} And then I found on the internet from from my research thatsome extended electronic entertainment control should be possible . At the budget that we're looking at and at the price point we're looking at , we should be able to make it work the T_V_ , the V_C_R_ , the stereo setum maybe something else cute like a coffee pot or one other appliance or maybe a lamp .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh okay , can can I at this point interject um something ?Marketing: I have to wind up ? Yeah ,sure .Project Manager: Um we have received instruction from higher up that certain things should not be uh considered . Um the one thing for example {disfmarker} something to eliminate maybe that's the teletext,Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: because that's sort of outdated with the internet ,Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: and according to to higher management the {disfmarker} itshould only control the T_V_ ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: mostly because they feel that it's too comp complex a task to um to to include other things ,Industrial Designer: Complicated , yeah , of course.Project Manager: and they are concerned with the time to market .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Of course , yeah .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: Um and the{disfmarker}Marketing: Okay , so that's something {disfmarker}Project Manager: and the third thing that they wanna make sure um that their {disfmarker} that the corporate image is being maintained , and that thecorporate colour and design are being used on the product , so that it's easy that that that they can be easily identified as a product of of of the company , and that there's no mistake that it could be somebody else whois bringing this out .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So I just wanted to interject this here so we're not getting too much off track here with uh with the things we wanna look at . These were instructionsfrom higher up so we have to eliminate uh these things , so it's only gonna be T_V_ ,Marketing: Okay so {disfmarker}Project Manager: but the one thing maybe that could be um eliminated is the teletext uh idea.Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Mm 'kay .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: Alright , thanks for that . Um alright now {vocalsound} other things that I found out on {disfmarker} in my research is that the complaintsthat people have about the remote controls that are out there now . 'Cause a lot of them take too much time to learn how to use , and that was thirty four percent but even more important the thing that we did addressin our last meeting that frequently it's lost somewhere in the room . Um so those are two things that we definitely do wanna address , uh we wanna s make it as simple as possible , we wanna make it um obvious andintuitive to use , and then the things about finding it we talked about the {disfmarker} a light emitting thing as well as uh maybe a beep , and I think that those are things after my research that we definitely wanna tryto incorporate . 'Kay can we go to the next slide please ? Okay , so , my personal preferences in this um project are really have to concentrate on the sizzle . That is the selling point , the thing that's gonna make it animpulse purchase . Uh because once there's no be-back , well in sales they always say you know , be-backs don't come back .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: If somebody says , oh I'll come back and get itnext week you're dead . They're never gonna come back and buy it . You've gotta make it attractive enough so they buy it now now now w now is a big word in in my book for selling this thing . And , in order to make itreally sellable we've gotta shorten the learning curve , make sure it's really intuitive and easy to use . We have to have as few buttons as possible , because more buttons is more confusion , so that's why I'm saying ,simplicity is good . Finding it's important , obviously you can't use it if you can't find it . So we've gotta concentrate on the features that help you find it , and I've already said this several times but I put it down inwriting here , it should be an attractive impulse purchase at twenty five Euros . So it has to have enough value that when somebody looks at it they say , uh twenty five Euros I'm not gonna take that . Has to be sogreat that they're gonna say , uh twenty five Euros isn't much . Um and then maybe a motto , like we put fashion in electronics might be something we can use in our marketing campaign .Industrial Designer: Yeah.Marketing: Okay that's uh about it for me right now .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . And uh who would be next , uh , I guess that would be you . Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Yeah 'kay .Project Manager: Youwant me to get your slide show up ?Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah sure .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Thank you .Project Manager: And you are number three ?Industrial Designer: Number two,Project Manager: Number two .Industrial Designer: yeah . Yeah exactly .Project Manager: Okay . Okay .Industrial Designer: Uh can you make it uh full screen please ?Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Yep .IndustrialDesigner: No , it's like a well you you have to press here . The cup cup shape here ?Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah yeah , uh-huh .Industrial Designer: The thir third .Project Manager: There , mm-hmm.Industrial Designer: Yeah exactly . Uh so today I'm going to talk about the working design of the remote controller . Um can you go to the next sli slide please ?Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .IndustrialDesigner: The metal is like uh in a remote controller you have a chip integrated circuit which is like a brain of the remote controller . It takes the power from a battery say a battery it it can be a elec an electric supplylike you have to uh like uh switch connec connect connect your remote controller to uh power supply from the you know electricity or something like that . It should be a battery because uh uh remote controller shouldbe like you you you should take it t to wherever you want and then um uh thMarketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: this integrated circuitry takes energy from the power source and whatever like if you press abutton it's like a input for the remote controller and it takes the input and it it transforms into a infro infrared bits and it sends it into the device , like a T_V_ or a air conditioner , something like that so . Uh a remotecontroller is specifically designed to a single device . If you want to design it for multiple devices then you should make all the devices compatible with the frequency like uh th the remote controller it sends some bitssome uh waves like with a particular frequency the device should know what the frequency is . It should re re recognise the uh waves which are coming from the remote controller and it should take the action like if youpress a button channel or something like that then uh the remote uh remote controller will send a send a se {vocalsound} send a signal ,Marketing: {vocalsound} Signal .Industrial Designer: and the T_V_ it shouldtranslate that into like change the channel or something like that , change the volume controlUser Interface: Receive .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: and uh so uh I think it's hardto design a remote controller for multiple uh devices .User Interface: Multi-purpose .Project Manager: Yo and it's {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah well that's already been eliminated by management , so we're off the hook{vocalsound} .Project Manager: yeah {disfmarker} but it's so {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: Uh yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yep .Industrial Designer: Um . So uh user interface controls the chip andaccordingly the messages like there should be a user user in interface like you know switch pad or something like that buttons should be there . So uh you can control whatever you want , you want to change thechannel you want to control the volume you you want to uh mute uh mute the uh T_V_ or you want to have a child lock or you want to do some operations there's a {disfmarker} there should be some device to tellwhat to do to the uh in uh integrated circuit so that the integrated circuit can s send the signals and T_V_ can perform the actions .Marketing: Mm okay .Industrial Designer: So can you go to the next slide please?Marketing: Okay .Industrial Designer: So I I just would like to uh add some extra features to the remote controller um I think these are the very simple features and uh they don't take much uh uh much of the um uminvestment also ,Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: it's like el the text or buttons which uh which are there on the uh remote controller they {disfmarker} those we can make uh um like fluorescent uh they'll belike light emitting if it is dark so that you can find your remote controller if it is dark .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: And ther there should be a beep if many buttons are pressed if suppose a child is playingwith the remote controller and a and she she or he is pressing the buttons all at the time then there should be a beep saying that it's {disfmarker} this this is not a a you know a a action , there can be no action takingto that so . And there should be a child lock , like uh uh you should be able to lock your remote controller so that uh um whatever buttons are pressed by a child they can't be like y you i you if you have ki kids and allthen they'll be pl playing with the remote controllers so can lock the remote controller . If make it useable for more than one device it's a it's hard but I think it's possibleProject Manager: Yeah well {disfmarker} yeahwell that has been e that has been eliminated , so that's that's unfortunately a moot point now . Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: but it uhMarketing: Well we already eliminated that .Industrial Designer: yeah yeahyeahUser Interface: Eliminated .Industrial Designer: so it's it's okay , yeah , yeah . And uh different shapes that we can do like uh we can have you know a all animals shapes or you know comfortable uh whi which canfit into your handsProject Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and um so that uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Now that's good from a marketing point of view , the fun {disfmarker} the fun shape .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah , yeah , yeah and colours also , different colours , and {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah I {disfmarker}User Interface: Mm-hmm colours .Marketing: And that {disfmarker} you you say that won't addtoo much to the budget ?Industrial Designer: No no no , it won't uh I don't think it will be like ,Marketing: To d the shape is uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: you can have you know for uh if you want ther there tobe more {disfmarker}Project Manager: It just build a mould basically and uh you know .Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah .User Interface: Yes exactly .Industrial Designer: It's it's just a s shape so it doesn't matter.Project Manager: As the budget we're looking at if you build one mould I don't think that's going to make a big difference whether it's gonna be square or {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Do youthink there's any chance of um having ser in {disfmarker} having basically the same machine with the same buttons but maybe several different shapes ?Industrial Designer: Yeah that is also possible I uh yeah I I yeah.Project Manager: Oh yes .Marketing: Is that gonna be a possible ?User Interface: Yes .Project Manager: I think {disfmarker}Marketing: 'Cause that might help with the marketing .Project Manager: I think we will haveto look at the budget on thatIndustrial Designer: Yeah that will be {disfmarker}Project Manager: but I think in principle that that would be {disfmarker} that would be kind of fun , you know .Industrial Designer: Yeahyeah .Marketing: Because we had something sort of sexy for adults and we could have something sort ofIndustrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Silly forchildren .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah , for children , yeah exactly .Marketing: silly for childrenProject Manager: Like an animal or {disfmarker}Marketing: or a little animal shape or in a{disfmarker} or a little elephant so they can remember where it is . {vocalsound}User Interface: Like a doll , or {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah , that's what , yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer:Yeah , exactly . Yeah .User Interface: Yes {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: And and the butto buttons also I think if you want to have more features in your remote controller then there should be more buttons . Ifthere are more buttons then it will be more complicated . If you have less features then your remote controller won't be attractive , so I think uh we need to make some buttons which are {disfmarker} which are likeum uh f in uh in intended for two or three operations , like if you press one button in one mode then it will change the channel , if you press the other button in another mode it will change the colour . So if you want tohave less buttons we can have that option but I think it will complicate the matter more I think so .Marketing: Mm . Well , I think {disfmarker} I think that that's something that we'll have to discuss um with the UserInterface personUser Interface: Yes .Industrial Designer: Yep , yeah .Marketing: because I think there's a lot of argument to be made for one button for one feature . Because I think one of the things were complainingabout in my {disfmarker} what I found out in my research is when they complained about how hard it is to learn a new one .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: The changingmodes was something {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah , it's like you know {vocalsound} yeah .Marketing: I mean you and I , all f all four of us we work with computers all the time ,IndustrialDesigner: Yeah . Yeah , yeah .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: changing modes is nothing for us , but people who {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah , a little elderly , a little arthritic hand you know ,Marketing:{vocalsound} N and {disfmarker}Project Manager: and and it's a small button and and it {disfmarker} they don't press it exactlyIndustrial Designer: Mm-hmm . Yeah .Project Manager: you know something elsehappens n not their favourite channel comes up but something elseIndustrial Designer: Yeah , yes .Project Manager: and they're very frustrated you know .User Interface: Something else .Marketing: And that's{disfmarker} and that's the kind of thing people learn by feel , and um {vocalsound} you don't feel the mode change .Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah you don't {vocalsound} us yeah yeah , usually . Yeah .Marketing:{vocalsound} So um maybe having buttons be various shapes might be a help too .Industrial Designer: Yeah shapes also , different shapes .Marketing: You know , like the {disfmarker} a triangle is for the volume anda square is for changing channels , so that people can uh develop a tactile sense of it .Industrial Designer: Yeah that will {disfmarker} Mm-hmm .User Interface: Channels .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah .ProjectManager: Mm , mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Yeah ,Marketing: But we'll get to that with you .User Interface: Yes .Industrial Designer: yeah , and also text should be very clear so that there there won't be anyambiguities and uh {disfmarker}Marketing: That's right , yeah . Now that's a good point . Yeah .User Interface: Yes .Industrial Designer: So yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And uh displayclock i if you want more features then we can display a clock it I I don't think it will take any money extra money because anyway we have an integrated circuit I think we can just definitely fit that feature into the circuit


Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh .User Interface: DuProject Manager: Okay . Thanks for coming to this meeting .Marketing: Hm .Project Manager: S how we doing on our remote ?User Interface: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: We have some {disfmarker} we have some ideas and some uh ideas for what people want .User Interface: Uh we yes s I've lo {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: I've done the role that Iwas asked to do anyway .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound} I think .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Alright let's just go over the agenda real quick for this meeting . See if Ican't get things uh moving along here a little bit better . Um I'll go over what we went over last time , which shouldn't take long . Then I believe each of you have a presentation . Um I've was sent a a couple morerequirements for our remote , what they want . Um then we can come to a conclusion on uh what we want the remote to do , um and how it's going to do it hopefully . And uh then we'll have the closing . {vocalsound}Um which we'll have forty minutes for . Uh let's see , the last meeting we went over um {vocalsound} who was responsible for what . I'm responsible for leading the meetings , keeping the notes , uh and coming upwith the final presentation . Um Corinne is our Marketing Expert . She's gonna figure out what what um the consumer wants . Um {vocalsound} Ryan is our User Interface Designer . And Manuel is the IndustrialDesigner . So you're gonna come up with the ideas Ryan , and you're gonna pick 'em apart .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um we decided our remote , uh we want it to be a universalremote uh that everyone would want . Um we want to be modern , um fun , different . Uh it needs to be sturdy , um easy to find , so we gonna have that locator function . Um and we want to be different . Um and thenwe went over a couple of different ideas . Ball-shaped phone . The keyboard shape . Um we decided that it should probably be one-handed . Something we could use with one hand . Um and that was our last meeting .So um why don't um {disfmarker} Do each of you have a presentation ?Marketing: Yep .Project Manager: Okay . I'll hand it off to you and um {disfmarker} Does anyone {disfmarker} do you wanna go first ?Marketing:Sure .Project Manager: So we can maybe see what uh what the people want .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: What was it ? Function ?Industrial Designer: Eight . F_ eight .Marketing: F_ eight ? Well .{vocalsound} How do I get it {disfmarker}User Interface: Slide show .Project Manager: To go to the next one ?Marketing: Oh right right right .Project Manager: Yeah you click on that guy .Marketing: That one ?ProjectManager: Yeah .Marketing: Okay . Alright . Well , this is my report , which is going to be based pretty much on a survey that I was sent . Oh gosh , I've no idea . {vocalsound} GUser Interface: Just press the arrow keysI think . Usually goes to it .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Sorry I actually need to see something else on my screen .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Hit F_ eight again .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: I think .Marketing: And then ? Again ?Project Manager: Yeah . You want it to be on both screens , or just just yours ?Marketing: No I want something elseon mine . Is that possible ?Project Manager: Yeah but I think you have to hit escape . And then you can {disfmarker} Yeah .Marketing: Okay but now you don't have that .Project Manager: Oh hit F_ eight again.Marketing: {vocalsound} Sorry guys .Project Manager: I know . I did the same thing . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: And then it should come up here shortly . 'Kay .Marketing: {vocalsound}So is there no way I can give you the slideshow andProject Manager: I think {disfmarker} oh give us the slideshow and something on your screen ?Marketing: yeah . Yeah .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: Oh well.Project Manager: I'm not sure . You could maybe minimise that screen and then have them both up at the same time I think .Marketing: Yeah . It's okay . Okay . Um so first of all , the method that I used was by doingsome marketing research ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: by um doing research on some interviews that were conducted . And then some internet research . And I was sent a report that was {disfmarker}I think there were a hundred remote users that they interviewed . And so I will show you some of the results from that , which I think will be helpful . Um okay here are some of the findings . They said that the usersdislike the look and feel of their current remote controls . And seventy five percent of the users find their remote controls to be ugly . Which is a fairly significant number I would say . And eighty percent of the userswould be willing to spend more money if they could get a remote that would look fancy . So I think that earlier we were onto something when we were talking about having it be a modern cool look , I think that'sdefinitely important . Um they say that current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour of the user . Seventy five percent of users said they zap a lot . And if anyone could clarify what that means?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Just jusUser Interface: Is is it j just justMarketing: Zap , does that just mean like changing the channel ?User Interface: just using itIndustrial Designer: yeah .User Interface: yeah.Marketing: Okay . {vocalsound} Um and fifty percent of the users say that they're only using ten percent of the buttons on their remote control . And there was something else , they kept track of the frequency perhour in using certain buttons . And some of them it looks like barely need to be included at all . Of course channel selection is used the most frequently . And then teletext was the next . Volume and then power . Andthen audio settings and screen settings and channel settings were practically never used . So I think we could definitely eliminate or somehow combine a lot of the functions into one button . Um the biggest userfrustrations , as we said fifty percent of people find that their remotes are lost somewhere , and so I think a tracking device of some sort would be a good idea . They said it take {disfmarker} thirty four percent said ittakes too much time to learn how to use a new remote . And twenty six percent said that the controls are bad for R_S_I_ . {vocalsound}User Interface: A repetitive strain injury .Marketing: What is it ?User Interface:Just repetitive strain injury . I think . That's what I guess .Marketing: Okay . Okay . And so bas okay . Um as far as speech recognition goes , um the younger group looks like they're all for it . From the fifteen to twentyfive age group over ninety percent said they would pay more . And it kind of just went down incrementally . The groups at {disfmarker} the older they get it looks like the less willing they are to pay , so maybe we coulddiscuss this and think {disfmarker} and decide if we think it's worth investing in this . At least if we're targeting the younger groups . And so in conclusion . Some things that I drew from this are that I think we werecorrect . We definitely need to focus on a new modern appearance , since so many people seem to be concerned about the ugliness of their remote control . Um a multifunctional remote could be a good thing to explore. So you only have one rather than five different remotes sitting all over your room . Uh we need to simplify the remote and reduce the number of buttons , get rid of the ones that don't seem to be serving muchpurpose . And then lastly I thought that maybe we could discuss the idea of speech recognition . And that's it .Project Manager: 'Kay . Very nice . Now we actually have some ideas of what what people want , what weshould focus on . Uh {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Wait can I look at that real quick ? {gap} .Marketing: Oh yeah . Sorry did you guys get time to write everything that you needed ?UserInterface: Yeah .Marketing: 'Kay .User Interface: Having just listened to what Corinne just said , I'll draw on some of the things as well . {vocalsound} {gap} Some things that sort of relevant to what I wanna say . 'Kayso I'm just gonna yeah approach the technical functions design . Um {vocalsound} the method I used was to explore the uh technical functions of a remote control .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: And t ssimplest approach that I came to is is to change , programme and operate an electronic device remotely . I mean that's an obvious thing to say , but it's not attached to the device that you want to control . Um I hadsome things sent to me . Not very much . To look at similar devices . Um defined in some them . And then the personal preferences that I will suggest . Um we discussed a universal one . Um like it's just been broughtup again then . But I think a universal remote control is actually quite a difficult object to design , and po possibly within maybe the budget that we do it , um because you'd need to know all the spef specifications of aall the like electronic companies . I'm not sure have you ever come across a universal remote control yourself , but you have to {disfmarker} i they're a nightmare to use . You have to set them , reset them toeverything . Um and that would only add buttons . Whereas I think the aim is to take away buttons . So I think it'd be better maybe to concentrate on maybe just a universal one for T_V_s . Um or maybe just one thatyou could we could design and then different people , manufacturers could use it to set to their specifications , if if the aim is to get something that's unique in design . Um {disfmarker} Okay here here's just twopictures of remote controls . They're just simple T_V_ remote controls . But one is uh user-centred . That is the one on the left . And you can straight away see there's less buttons . And the other one is {gap}engineer-centred where that's more uh specified for the sort of the elaborate piece of equipment it's trying to control um {disfmarker} {gap} which appeals more to the product that we want , and on what the {gap}have said and the market research and stuff {gap} probably looking at something that should be user-centred . Fewer buttons , simpler to use , and if ten percent um is hidden away {disfmarker} if ten percent iswhat's used , maybe the other fifty percent , the buttons that are used very rarely like programming , they could be hidden maybe under {disfmarker} some remote controls you might have come across have maybe alittle flip thi thing where they're hidden away . And the main buttons are the ones you or the ones you come across . Um and finally , um uh sort I've sort of covered that , our product I think should be user interfaceorientated . Um {disfmarker} Like I said to concentrate on T_V_ remote control , a universal remote might be too complex . Um and as what it , the major findings {gap} market researchers have said , it's the imageand the appearance that people di dislike . So that we should concentrate on something that would set a trend . And that's it .Industrial Designer: {gap} cable there . Thank you .Project Manager: What was your lastconclusion on that one ? Focus on uh the iUser Interface: On something on the image of it .Project Manager: the image of it .User Interface: Uh the f the actual design .Project Manager: 'Kay . Good . Good .IndustrialDesigner: Okay . Gonna talk to you about the working design of the interiors basically which is what dictates the design the both the interface basically and the outer appearance because this is all the stuff that needs togo in there . Right . So unfortunately the people who were supposed to do this little presentation for me obviously were too drunk to actually accomplish it ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: so um {vocalsound} I'm going to do a lot of the stuff on the board . Um just {disfmarker} This is the basic basic premise of a remote control . Um the basic function is to sendmessages to another system . Okay so much is clear . An energy source feeds an integrated circuit , like a chip , that can compose messages . {vocalsound} Often in the form of infrared bits . This is the most mostlyused . Um there's uh also some sound systems but infrared is the better or the more more used system . Um parts are cheaper as well . A user interface controls the chip and accordingly the messages . This is wheremy people screwed up basically .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So I'm going to explain that on the board rather . Um what we have is different components that obviously need to go in there . We'll startwith an energy source . Right . Um which is usually a battery right ? {vocalsound} Since it's not feasible to add a cable to that . This energy source of course is connected to the the user interface itself {vocalsound} .Uh which can be buttons , whatever , which in fact controls a chip . Right ? This is the user interface and there we have the chip . Um the way this goes normally is that this chip then controls an infrared lamp . Thatsends out the signal . Of course the signal differs accordingly . Um depending on what the chip tells the infrared lan lamp . And {disfmarker} Of course that's controlled , the chip itself is controlled by the user interface .The way you normally normally do it is that you add a little device such as a lamp to the whole thing as well , so that you know that it's working basically . You press something , you get a response . Which is alsocomparatively um important on one of those devices . Now this , what we're talking about here , or what I think should be discussed are these two components mostly . The the uh energy source for one thing can bealtered . What we probably cannot alter is of course the infrared , the sending device basically , the infrared lamp . We cannot change the chip which controls the infrared lamp . Right ? These two are components thatwe have to use , and these are dictated by the whole function of the whole thing . Um the lamp can be put onto the desi the device . It c it doesn't have to be there . This can be discussed as well . {vocalsound} Theuser interface . That's something we can also discuss . Um as we've heard uh speech recognition is the hype obviously in the moment . Speech recognition um interface , we don't know that . Or if we just do the usualbutton thing . Or we have a touch pad or something like that {disfmarker} that's something we can discuss . And of course the energy source . Batteries . Solar cells . Who knows ? {vocalsound} Of course it's always aquestion whether these these components are in fact {vocalsound} available cheap enough , developed enough . But that's like I s I suppose rather up to marketing , and not toProject Manager: So we could{disfmarker} the theIndustrial Designer: to the industrial design department .Project Manager: the more complex we make it of course , the more expensive {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Expensive it's gonna beget uh . Yeah .Project Manager: But people have said that they would {disfmarker} well younger generations of people have said that they would pay more for a speech recognition remote .Marketing: Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: So possibly it might be worth the investment .Industrial Designer: Right .User Interface: I think speech recognition was uh one of those things where um they have to be really good for them to work . 'Causesometimes you find yourself just saying things over and o {gap} if it's on your phone .Marketing: Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: I agree . Well {disfmarker}User Interface: And you need to sort of take into lightlanguages and then {vocalsound} different dialects I suppose as well .Project Manager: I {disfmarker} myself I find , when you , h when there's something like spee speech recognition . Like uh you call on the phoneand you try to change your telephone or power or something . Sometimes they have a a speech recognition on the other end ,User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: and you say one for this , and you find yours , likeyou said , saying the same thing over and over and over . I find myself , especially if I'm in a crowd of people , looking really silly .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So maybe if you'resitting on your couch with a bunch of people then you know , you {vocalsound} {disfmarker}User Interface: And wou I don't know if would would you want to keep saying stuff if you were watching stuff . If you werewatching something would you sort of be wanting {disfmarker}Project Manager: Volume up . Volume down . Change the channel , you know channel up , channel down ?User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: I I don'tknow .Marketing: Another thing about these figures is ninety one percent of the youngest age groups said they'd do it , but probably a lot of them that's actually their parents money . Like I don't know if they wouldactually go out and purchase this themselves , a fifteen year old you know .User Interface: I think {disfmarker} As well it'd be j the gimmick factor for the younger people .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Yeah.User Interface: But practically I don't think it's {gap} {disfmarker}Project Manager: It's a , it's a gimmick factor that they like at first , and {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah . It'll wear off .Marketing: Gets old yeah.Project Manager: Okay . Um {disfmarker} Let's see here .User Interface: Do you wanna put your cord back in ?Project Manager: Yeah I guess so .Industrial Designer: Oh right . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Tradeyou .Industrial Designer: {gap} go . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Now I was sent a couple of things to modify our uh new requirements . Um the remote's only gonna be for the television , which is good because wealready decided {disfmarker} y your your research showed that uh not only is a universal remote more complicated , it's more cost , more costly . And your re uh research showed that you know most of the peopledon't even use it . I think uh you said fifty percent of the people only use half the or ten percent of the buttons .Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: So if we remove the universal remote then that solves that problem .Um no teletext . Um {disfmarker} So we don't have to worry about that . Um but we do have to use the the company wants us to incorporate the corporate colour and our slogan , which is we put the fashion inelectronics . And our corporate colours are grey and yellow . And we could probably get away with black too but {disfmarker} So those are the three um the three new requirements that that I was told we need to use .Um from all all three of your uh presentations , I think that we were on the right track a lot in our last meeting . We want something that looks good . Um we want something that's simple . We want something that youcan find easily . Um {disfmarker} And the speech recognition I I guess is kind of uh give or take . It's gonna cost more . S the young the younger people say that they like it .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: But um it's probably , I would say , probably not worth the investment at this point in time . So maybe we should just do away with speech recognition . Um {disfmarker} And that way we can focus on ourform .User Interface: I did have have a thought about the sort of the tracking thing . Is that {disfmarker} if it came with maybe a holder or holster , whatever you wanna call it . Um that you you should put it back in .Your remote . But if you don't put it back in , you press something like a little button on that , and that just sort of sends out a beep {vocalsound} to find where it is or something . Just by infrared . That shouldn't be toocomplex I would've thought .Project Manager: That'd be , that'd be good if we were going with our our ball .User Interface: Yeah it would be quite good .Project Manager: Or or with {disfmarker} you know I guess withany form that that would be good .User Interface: The ball could sit on a {disfmarker}Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: You know that could be the charger . For you knowUser Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: wecould use rechargeable batteries in the remote . And that would be {disfmarker} or solar . Or you know {disfmarker} However , however you wanted to go about it , the holder could also be the charging unit . Um{disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: With the locator button . Um and if it were the ball you'd no longer have to have a flat space on it .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Um likeIndustrial Designer:WellProject Manager: ifIndustrial Designer: you still do .Project Manager: we still have the how to hold on to itIndustrial Designer: You s you still {disfmarker} W yeah . You put it on t on the couch table .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} It's gonna roll away .Industrial Designer: While you're watching ,Marketing: {vocalsound} Rolls awayIndustrial Designer: it's gonna roll off . SoMarketing: yeah .Industrial Designer: that's not an


Grad F: Test .Postdoc G: OK .Professor B: Let 's see , I should be Two .PhD D: Up high {disfmarker}Grad E: As close to your mouth as you can get it .Professor B: LaPhD D: high as you can get .Professor B: Is thischannel one ?Postdoc G: Yeah , on your upper lip .PhD H: Channel one one one .Professor B: Gee , OK . Yes . OK .Grad E: OK , so for {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} For people wearing the wireless mikes , like{disfmarker} like this one , I find the easiest way to wear it is sorta this {disfmarker} this sorta like that .PhD H: This is {disfmarker} chan channel channel one one two threeGrad F: Channel five , channel five.Professor B: Yeah . Mm - hmm . What do you do ,Grad E: It 's actually a lot more comfortable then if you try to put it over your temples ,Grad F: Test , test test .Professor B: you do it higher ?Grad E: so{disfmarker}Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD D: Adam 's just trying to generate good uh data for the recognizer there .Postdoc G: Yeah , I think we 're supposed to {disfmarker} that 's right .Grad E: And then also , for{disfmarker} for all of them , if your boom is adjustable , the boom should be towards the corner of your mouth ,Grad F: Test test .PhD A: By the way , there was a bug . Yeah , i it wasn't using the properPhD D: Oh itwas .Grad E: and about a uh a thumb to a thumb and a half distance away from your mouth ,PhD A: basically it wasn't adapting anything .PhD D: Oh .Grad E: so about like I 'm wearing it now .PhD D: Oh that 'sinteresting . So why didn't you get the same results and the unadapted ?Grad E: so so Jane , you could actually do even a little closer to your mouth ,PhD H: It 's not always possible .PhD A: Hmm ?PhD D: Why didn'tyou get the same results and the unadapted ?Postdoc G: I could {disfmarker} can this be adjuste like this ?Grad E: but {disfmarker}PhD A: Oh , because when it estimates the transformer pro produces like a singlematrix or something .Grad E: Yep .Postdoc G: Is that @ @ ? OK , thank you .Grad F: Adam , I 'm not {disfmarker}PhD D: O Oh oh I see .Grad F: uh , looks kinda low on channel five {disfmarker}PhD D: I see , I see.Professor B: OK .Grad F: no ?Grad E: Channel five , s speak again .Grad F: Maybe not .Postdoc G: Hello .PhD A: Basically there were no countsGrad E: Yeah , that 's alright .Grad F: Hello ?Grad E: I mean , we could{disfmarker} we could up the gain slightly if you wanted to .Grad F: It 's OK ?PhD H: Yeah .Grad F: Is this OK ?PhD H: OK .PhD D: I see what you mean .PhD C: Who 's channel B ?Grad E: but {disfmarker} Uh , channelB is probably Liz .PhD C: Uh oh .PhD H: Uh channel B {disfmarker} I am channel B .Professor B: You wanna close this ,Postdoc G: Channel eight , eight .Professor B: orPhD C: No IGrad E: Thank you .PhD H: No ,channel B .PhD A: Hello , hello .PhD C: yeah , yeah , you 're channel B .PhD H: Yeah , yeah .PhD C: So can you talk a bit ? I thought it might be tooPhD H: OK , yeah , channel B , one two three four five .PhD C: OK.Grad E: Yeah , it 's alright . So , the gain isn't real good .Professor B: We 're recording ,PhD C: OK .Professor B: right ?Grad E: OK , so we are recording .PhD H: Ah .Professor B: Yeah .PhD A: OK .Grad E: Um everyoneshould have at least two forms possibly three in front of you depending on who you are .Grad F: Oh .Grad E: Um we {disfmarker} we 're doing a new speaker form and you only have to spea fill out the speaker formonce but everyone does need to do it . And so that 's the name , sex , email , et cetera .PhD H: Mm - hmm .Grad E: We {disfmarker} we had a lot of discussion about the variety of English and so on so if you don'tknow what to put just leave it blank . Um I {disfmarker} I designed the form and I don't know what to put for my own region ,PhD A: Mmm .Grad E: soPhD D: California .PhD A: I think {disfmarker}Grad E: California.PhD H: California .PhD A: Um may I make one suggestion ? Instead of age put date of {disfmarker} uh year of birthGrad E: Sure .PhD A: because age will change , but The year of birth changes , you know , stays thesame , usually .Grad E: Oh .PhD C: A actually , wait a minute ,Grad E: Birth year ?Postdoc G: Although on {disfmarker}PhD A: Yeah .PhD C: shouldn't it be the other way around ?PhD D: Not for me .Postdoc G: courseon the other {disfmarker} on the other hand you could {disfmarker} you view it as the age at the time of the {disfmarker}PhD C: On the other side ,PhD A: Well the thing is , if ten years from now you look at this formknowing that {disfmarker}PhD C: yeah .Postdoc G: Yes , but what we care about is the age at {disfmarker} at the recording date rather than the {disfmarker}PhD C: O yeah .PhD D: But there 's no other date on theform .PhD C: W we don't care how they {disfmarker} old they really are .PhD A: Well {disfmarker} well I don't know .Postdoc G: Yes . {vocalsound} Unless we wanna send them a card .Grad E: Well I guess it dependson how long the corpus is gonna be collected for .PhD A: Anyway .Postdoc G: Yeah , that 's true .PhD C: I still don't see the problem .Grad E: Either way yeah I think {disfmarker} I think age is alrightPhD A: OK .GradE: and then um there will be attached to this a point or two these forms uh so that you 'll be able to extract the date off thatPhD A: Mm - hmm .Grad E: so , anyway . And so then you also have a digits form which needsto be filled out every time , the speaker form only once , the digit form every time even if you don't read the digits you have to fill out the digits form so that we know that you were at the meeting . OK ? And then also ifyou haven't filled one out already you do have to fill out a consent form . And that should just be one person whose name I don't know . OK ?Grad F: Do you want this {pause} Adam ?Grad E: Uh sure . Thank you.Professor B: So uhGrad E: OK so should we do agenda items ?Professor B: Uh oh that 's a good idea . I shouldn't run the meeting .Grad E: Uh well I have {disfmarker} I wanna talk about new microphones and wirelessstuff .Postdoc G: Mmm .Grad E: And I 'm sure Liz and Andreas wanna talk about recognition results . Anything else ?PhD C: I guess {disfmarker} what time do we have to leave ? Three thirty ?PhD A: Yeah .PhD C:Yeah ,Grad E: Why don't you go first then .PhD C: so .Professor B: Yeah , good idea .PhD A: OK .PhD C: Um Well , I {disfmarker} I sent out an email s couple hours ago so um with Andreas ' help um Andreas puttogether a sort of no frills recognizer which is uh gender - dependent but like no adaptation , no cross - word models , no trigrams {disfmarker} a bigram recognizer and that 's trained on Switchboard which is telephoneconversations . Um and thanks to Don 's help wh who {disfmarker} Don took the first meeting that Jane had transcribed and um {vocalsound} you know separated {disfmarker} used the individual channels wesegmented it in into the segments that Jane had used and uh Don sampled that so {disfmarker} so eight K um and then we ran up to I guess the first twenty minutes , up to synch time of one two zero zero so is that{disfmarker} that 's twenty minutes or so ? Um yeah because I guess there 's some ,Grad E: Or so .PhD C: and Don can talk to Jane about this , there 's some bug in the actual synch time file that ah uh I 'm{disfmarker} we 're not sure where it came from but stuff after that was a little messier . Anyway so it 's twenty minutes and I actuallyGrad E: Hmm .PhD C: umGrad E: I {disfmarker} was that {disfmarker} did that{disfmarker} did that recording have the glitch in the middle ?Postdoc G: I 'm puzzled by that . I {disfmarker} oh {disfmarker} oh , I see .PhD C: There 's {disfmarker} there 's a {disfmarker}Postdoc G: Oh there wasa glitch somewhere .PhD C: yeah , so that actually umGrad F: Was it twenty minutes in ,PhD C: if it was twenty minutes in then I don't knowPostdoc G: I forgot about that .Grad F: I thought {disfmarker}PhD A: Well itwas interesting ,Postdoc G: Well , I mean , they {disfmarker}PhD A: suddenly {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the overall error rate when we first ran it was like eighty percentGrad E: I don't remember when it is.Postdoc G: but I was able to can transcribePhD A: but i looking at {disfmarker} the first sentences looked much better than that and then suddenly it turned very bad and then we noticed that the reference was alwaysone off with the {disfmarker} it was actually recognizedPhD C: WelGrad E: Oh no .Grad F: Yeah , that might be {disfmarker} that might be {disfmarker} that might be my fault .Postdoc G: Wow .PhD A: soGrad E: Ohso that was just a parsing mismatch .Grad F: I 'm not {disfmarker}PhD A: OK .PhD C: No actually it was {disfmarker} yeah i it was a complicated bug because they were sometimes one off and then sometimes totallyrandom so umGrad F: yeah , I was pretty certain that it worked up until that time ,Postdoc G: Oh . That 's not good .PhD C: YeahPhD A: OK .PhD C: so that 's what we haveGrad E: Alright .Grad F: soPhD C: but that{disfmarker} that will be completely gone if this synch time problemPostdoc G: Yeah .Grad E: The {disfmarker} the glitchPhD A: So {disfmarker} so we have everything recognized but we scored only the first uhwhatever , up to that time toPostdoc G: And the only glitch {disfmarker}Grad E: yeah .Postdoc G: yeah .PhD C: So you guys know .Professor B: S sorry I haven't seen the email ,PhD C: Yeah .Grad E: Th - thePostdocG: The {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} well {disfmarker} waitProfessor B: what was the score ?PhD C: So here 's the actual copy of the emailPostdoc G: we should say something about the glitch . He {disfmarker} hecan say something about the glitch .PhD C: um oh OKGrad E: yeah .Postdoc G: Cuz it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} h it 's {disfmarker} it 's very small {disfmarker}PhD C: so does this glitch occurat other {disfmarker}Grad E: There {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} there 's an acoustic glitch that occurs where um the channels get slightly asynchronizedPostdoc G: very small . Yep .PhD C: Oh .PhD A: Mmm .PhDC: Right .Grad E: so the {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that problem has gone away in the original driver believe it or not when the SSH key gen ran the driver paused for a fraction of a secondProfessor B: Hmm .GradF: Hmm .Grad E: and so the channels get a little asynchronous and so if you listen to it in the middle there 's a little part where it starts doing {disfmarker} doing click sounds .Professor B: So {disfmarker}PhD C: And isit only once that that happens ?Grad E: But yeahPhD C: OK .Grad E: it {disfmarker} right once in the middle .PhD C: There 's {disfmarker} the previous page has some more information about sort of what waswrongProfessor B: so {disfmarker} so un unsurprisingly Adam is the golden voice ,PhD C: butGrad E: Um But that shouldn't affect anythingPhD C: OK so that 's actuallyPostdoc G: S and it {disfmarker}Professor B: yousee this here ?PhD C: It {disfmarker} y it 's {disfmarker}Grad E: yeah yeah " bah "PhD C: OK no {disfmarker}PhD A: Oh , and {disfmarker}PhD C: What happens is it actually affects the script that Don{disfmarker}PhD D: Huh .PhD C: I mean if we know about it then I guess it could always be checked for itGrad E: Well the acoustic one shouldn't do anything .PhD C: but theyGrad F: Yeah , I don't know exactly whataffected itPostdoc G: I agree . I agree .PhD A: I {disfmarker} I have {disfmarker}Grad F: but I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll talk to you about it ,PhD A: Yeah .Grad E: But I {disfmarker} I do remember {disfmarker}PhD C:Yeah .Grad F: I 'll show you the point .Postdoc G: Yeah . It {disfmarker} it had no effect on my transcription ,PhD A: Mmm .Postdoc G: you know , I mean I {disfmarker} I had no trouble hearing it and {disfmarker}and having time binsGrad E: I do remember seeing once the transcriber produce an incorrect XML file where one of the synch numbers was incorrect .Postdoc G: but there was a {disfmarker} Oh .PhD C: Well , the{disfmarker} the synch time {disfmarker} the synch numbers have more significant digits than they should ,Grad F: That 's what happened .Postdoc G: Oh .PhD H: Yeah .Grad E: Where {disfmarker} where theyweren't monotonic .Grad F: There was {disfmarker} yeah , I mean {disfmarker}PhD C: right ? There 's things that are l in smaller increments than a frame .PhD H: Yeah .Postdoc G: Oh , interesting .PhD C: And so then, I mean you look at that and it 's got you know more than three significant digits in a synch time then that can't be rightGrad E: Oh OK so that 'sGrad F: Hmm .Postdoc G: Oh .PhD A: Mmm .PhD C: so anyway it 's{disfmarker} it 's just {disfmarker}Grad E: yeah sounds like a bug .Postdoc G: Yeah .PhD C: that 's why we only have twenty minutes but there 's a significant amount of {disfmarker}Grad F: Non - zero ? Um there arelike more {disfmarker} cuz there 's a lot of zeros I tacked on just because of the way the script ran ,Grad E: The other one I saw was that it yeah .Grad F: I mean but there were there was a point .PhD C: Yeah that wasfine . That {disfmarker} that was OK .Grad E: The other one I saw was non non - monotonic synch timesGrad F: OK .Grad E: and that definitely indicra indicates a bug .Grad F: Uh .PhD C: Well that would really be aproblem , yeah . So anyway these are just the ones that are the prebug for one meeting .Grad F: Yeah .PhD C: um and what 's {disfmarker} which {disfmarker}Grad E: So that 's very encouraging .PhD C: this is reallyencouraging cuz this is free recognition ,Professor B: Hmm .PhD H: Yeah .Professor B: Cool .PhD A: Mmm .PhD C: there 's no I mean the language model for Switchboard is totally different so you can see some like thisTrent Lott whichPhD D: Trent Lott .PhD C: um I mean these are sort of funny ones ,PhD D: It 'll get those though .PhD C: there 's a lot of perfect ones and good ones and all the references , I mean you can read themand when we get more results you can look through and seeGrad E: I and as I said I would like to look at the latticesPhD A: Mm - hmm .PhD C: but um it 's pretty good .Grad E: because it sounded like even the ones itgot wrong it sort of got it right ?PhD C: Well so I guess we can generateGrad E: Sounds likes ?PhD A: There are a fair number of errors that are , you know where {disfmarker} got the plural S wrong or the inflection onthe verb wrong .Postdoc G: Mm - hmm .PhD C: umGrad E: Yeah , and who cares ? And {disfmarker} and there were lots of {disfmarker} of course the " uh uh " - s , " in on " - s " of uh " - s .PhD A: Mmm , so if{disfmarker}PhD C: there 's {disfmarker} No those are actuallyPhD A: Yeah .PhD C: a lot of the errors I think are out of vocabulary ,PhD A: Mm - hmm .PhD C: so is it like PZM is three words , it 's PZM ,PhD A: Mm -hmm .PhD C: I mean there 's nothing There 's no language model for PZM orGrad E: Right . Ri - ri right .PhD C: umGrad E: Did you say there 's no language for PZM ?PhD C: No language model , I mean those{disfmarker}Grad E: Do you mean {disfmarker} so every time someone says PZM it 's an error ? Maybe we shouldn't say PZM in these meetings .PhD C: Well {disfmarker} well there 's all kinds of other stuff like Jimletand I mean um anyway there {disfmarker}Grad E: Yeah , that 's right , Jimlet .Professor B: Well , we don't even know what that means ,PhD C: so {vocalsound} but this is really encouraging becauseProfessor B: soIGrad E: Yeah , that 's right .PhD C: so , I mean the bottom line is even though it 's not a huge amount of data um it should be uh reasonable to actually run recognition and be like within the scope of {disfmarker} of rreasonable s you know Switchboard this is like h about how well we do on Switchboard - two data with the Switchboard - one trained {disfmarker} mostly trained recognizerGrad E: Right .PhD C: and Switchboard - twois {disfmarker} got sort of a different population of speakers and a different topicGrad E: Excellent .PhD C: and they 're talking about things in the news that happened after Switchboard - one so there was @ @ so that's great .Professor B: Yeah . Yeah so we 're in better shape than we were say when we did {disfmarker} had the ninety - three workshopPhD C: UmProfessor B: and we were all getting like seventy percent error onSwitchboard .PhD A: Mm - hmm .PhD C: Oh yeahProfessor B: you knowPhD C: I mean this is really ,PhD A: Mmm .PhD C: and thanks to Andreas who , I mean this is aPhD A: Mmm .Grad E: Well especially for the veryfirst run , I mean you {disfmarker}PhD A: Oh it 's the {disfmarker}Professor B: Yeah .PhD C: eh umProfessor B: Yeah .PhD C: yeahGrad E: the first run I ran of Switchboard I got a hundred twenty percent word errorbutPhD C: So and what al also this means is thatPostdoc G: Right .PhD C: umGrad E: Not Switchboard ,PhD A: Well it 's {disfmarker}PhD C: I mean there 's a bunch of things in this note to various peopleGrad E: uhBroadcast News .PhD C: especially I guess um with Jane that {disfmarker} that would help for {disfmarker} since we have this new data now uh in order to go from the transcripts more easily to um just the words thatthe recognizer would use for scoring . I had to deal with some of it by hand but I think a lot of it can be automated s by {disfmarker}Professor B: Oh one thing I guess I didn't get so you know the language model wasstraight from {disfmarker} from bigram from Switchboard the acoustic models were also from Switchboard or {disfmarker} orPhD A: Yeah .PhD C: Yeah .Professor B: So they didn't have anything from this acousticdata in yet ?Postdoc G: That 's amazing .Grad E: Yeah , so that 's great .PhD C: No .Professor B: OK .PhD C: And actually {disfmarker} we actually um used Switchboard telephone bandwidth modelsPostdoc G: That 'samazing .PhD A: Well that 's {disfmarker} those are the only we ones there are ,Professor B: Yeah .PhD C: which I guessPhD D: I was just gonna say ,PhD C: so that 's the on that 's the only acoustic training data thatwe have a lot ofPhD D: yeah .PhD A: I meanGrad E: Yeah .PhD A: Right .PhD C: and I guess Ramana , so a guy at SRI said that um there 's not a huge amount of difference going from {disfmarker}Professor B: Right.PhD C: it 's {disfmarker} it 's not like we probably lose a huge amount but we won't know because we don't have any full band models for s conversational speech .PhD D: It 's probably not as bad as going f using fullband models on telephone band speechPhD C: So .PhD A: Oh yeah .PhD C: Right .PhD D: right ?PhD A: Yeah .Professor B: Yeah ,PhD C: Right , so it 's {disfmarker} soProfessor B: but for Broadcast News when we{disfmarker} we played around between the two there wasn't a huge loss .Grad E: Right , it was not a big deal .PhD C: YeahPhD A: I should {disfmarker} I should say that {disfmarker} the language model is not justSwitchboardPhD C: so I wou so that 's good .Grad E: Although combining em worked well .PhD A: it 's also {disfmarker} I mean there 's uh actually more data is from Broadcast News but with a little less weightPhD C:Yeah .PhD A: uh becauseProfessor B: Uh - huh .PhD C: Like Trent Lott must have been fromPhD A: mm - hmm , right .PhD C: I guess {vocalsound} Switchboard was beforePhD A: Um By the way just {disfmarker} forfun we also ran ,PhD C: uh .Professor B: Good point .PhD A: I mean our complete system starts by doing ge a gender detectionProfessor B: Mm - hmm .PhD A: so just for the heck of it I ran thatGrad E: And it said ahundred percent male ?PhD A: um and it might be reassuring for everybody to know that it got all the genders right .PhD C: The jPhD A: Yeah soGrad E: Oh it did ?Postdoc G: Oh that 's {disfmarker} I 'm glad .Grad E:It got all two genders ?PhD C: Yeah but you know Jane and Adam have you kn about equal performancePhD A: Yeah . Yes .PhD C: and uh and that 's interesting cuz I think the {disfmarker} their language models arequite different so and I {disfmarker} I 'm pretty sure from listening to Eric that , you know given the words he was saying and given his pronunciation that the reason that he 's so much worse is the lapel .Professor B:Yeah .Grad E: Right .Postdoc G: That makes a lot of sense ,PhD C: So it 's nice now if we can just sort of eliminate the lapel one when {disfmarker} when we get new microphonesPostdoc G: yeah . Very possible.Professor B: Yeah I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I would bet on that tooPhD C: that would be worth itProfessor B: cuz he certainly in that {disfmarker} when as a {disfmarker} as a burp user he was {disfmarker} hewas a pretty uh strong one .PhD C: um YeahGrad E: Sheep .PhD C: he {disfmarker} he {disfmarker} he sounded to me just from {disfmarker} he sounded like a ,Professor B: Yeah .PhD C: what 's it a sheep or a goat?Professor B: Sheep .Grad E: A sheep .PhD C: Sheep ,Grad E: Baah .Professor B: Yeah . Sheep is good .PhD C: right . Sounded good .Professor B: Yeah .PhD C: Right so um so I guess the good news is thatPostdoc G:Mm - hmm .PhD C: and {disfmarker} and again this is without a lot of the sort of bells and whistles that we c can do with the SRI system and we 'll have more data and we can also start to maybe adapt the language