Project Manager: All set ? Okay . Cool . Right . So um basically I'm just gonna go over real quickly um some news I've just got from the board on how we're supposed to do with this um {vocalsound} remote control .And then I'm gonna turn over to you guys to make brief presentations um on what you've found and then we'll have a bit of discussion . So basically uh what I've just found out from the board I dunno if you guys gotthis email as well but it needs to be television only . So no {disfmarker} we're not doing D_V_D_ , we're not doing anything else ,Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: it's just gonna be a television remote . {vocalsound}Um it also needs to have the company colours included in it .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um so that's red and black . And it has to have the slogan , case you guys forget the sloganit's , we put fashion in electronics . Um and no teletext . I'm not sure what teletext is but I'm assuming you guys do , so we don't wanna include that um in this particular design . {vocalsound} For reasons that I don'treally know . There's {disfmarker} but it's the board so there you go . So basically um given those guidelines which will have some effect on how we design we'll discuss it later I mean 'cause it's television only we'll beable to change our uh {vocalsound} um well we can s sacrifice more function for a better television remote . {vocalsound} Anyway . So I'm gonna turn over to the Industrial Designer uh to go ahead and make apresentation on {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Okay . So do I unplug this bit here ?Project Manager: Oh , right yeah .Marketing: Gotta plug you in .Project Manager: Yep . Might have to hit function F_ eight but itlooks like it's gonna come up . Yep . Cool .Industrial Designer: Okay . Right . That's page one of my presentation .Project Manager: Brilliant .Marketing: Very nice . For your first PowerPoint it's lovely .IndustrialDesigner: So the uh method . We're gonna have to understand how remote controls work and res uh successfully complete this project . Um remote control works as follows . This is all pretty basic stuff you guys . Umsends message to another system , so there's an energy source involved in that like a battery or solar power , something along those lines , there's an integrated circuit , which is the microchip , um and that actuallycompose the messages and usually the way a a remote control works is it sends infrared bits to another system . A user interface controls the chip , basically that's the casing and the buttons and um accordingly themessages as well . So my findings , um I just did a preliminary study here and uh I found that too much metal in remote design could potentially cause interference with the ability of the remote to send commands .And too much metal can cause remotes to behave unexpectedly by receiving false signals . Um too much metal is used sometimes and people pick up radio signals and the like , and there's also the possibility of theremote catching on fire and injuring the customer , just think of those lawsuits , that'd be really bad .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} 'Kay .Industrial Designer: Therefore I suggest primarilyplastic construction . Um , components . Just some ideas that I had , um , energy source , it's kinda hip to be eco friendly so I thought maybe we could do something with solar power with an alkaline battery backup .Um the user interface , I was {disfmarker} since we can't use metal I was thinking maybe a high grade recycled plastic .Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: The chip , um , silicon based chip I don't really see anyway around that , we can't really be different in that respect . Um , the sender well I'm thinking infrared 'cause it is the industry standard , multi channel , that's a word I made up , I don't really know what it means.Project Manager: 'Kay . Fair enough .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh PAL and N_T_S_C_ compatible and uh probably a two hundred foot range .Project Manager: 'Kay .Industrial Designer: Uh and thereceiver of course is any number of electronic devices . Um but in this case it'll only be T_V_s . Um personal preferences , I really think that we should use plastic as opposed to metal , um , the company simply can'tafford this kinds of lawsuitsMarketing: Fine .Industrial Designer: which adm admittedly is gonna come at the cost of a certain aesthetic value ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} Is is there a way that we can use ummodern types of polymers , or mo modern types of plasticsIndustrial Designer: 'cause we were thinking {disfmarker}Project Manager: that maybe do have some kind of aesthetic value um like if a white {disfmarker}like if we talk about like well like on the lapt on these laptops and other ones they use a a pretty nice ,Industrial Designer: Right .Marketing: It needs , yeah .Project Manager: you can do i is there some kind of nice coloder quality plastic that we can work with ?Industrial Designer: Yeah that shouldn't be a problem . Um for example the plastic they have on your laptop there is something that's perfectly possible for us to do .ProjectManager: Okay , okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} That's the end of my presentation .Marketing: Cool .Project Manager: Great . Thank you very much Nathan . {vocalsound} Um if next we can have the um UserInterface Developer go ahead and make a brief presentation that'd be great as well .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: S plug yourself in here . Mm . {vocalsound} Um hit function F_ eight real quickly , holddown {disfmarker} Mm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Looks like you're in okay .Industrial Designer: Is it plugged in well ? There it goes . Computer adjusting .User Interface: ThProject Manager: Thereyou go . Sweet .Marketing: There you go .User Interface: Well so . Here we have a uh my technical functions design presentation . Um so a few of the requirements we need here . Uh we n basically need to operate anelectronic device , it needs to be universal um and possibly uh operate several different types of devices although we now uh find that uh that that's no problem .Project Manager: Yeah sorry I couldn't get that g to usebefore .User Interface: Um so some of my findings . Um basically wanna send messages uh to a television set . Um that would be any number of different things uh such as switch on the television , uh switch to thenext channel , that sort of thing , I think we're all quite uh quite uh intelligent and know know what a normal remote control does . Um {vocalsound} now some of the other things I found is a a complicated remotecontrol sorry that we can't quite see my red there very wellProject Manager: Oh yeah look at that .Industrial Designer: Mm . {vocalsound}User Interface: but uh this remote control has many functions um so it can do alot of things but it uh it is quite complicatedProject Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: and most users will find it uh find that they won't use most of the functions because they don't know how to use them and don'twanna take the time to learn how to do it . As you also notice it's quite a boring design . Um . Another remote control , slightly different , it's a simpler remote control uh many less buttons but uh has many fewerfunctions , um m much easier for the user to manipulate and use . Um it also has a bit of a cheap look and it's also quite boring . SoProject Manager: {vocalsound} Nice .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:my personal preferences .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Revolutionise the idea of uh a remote control . Um so attain the functionality of a complicated device but use a simple formatted displayuh for the user to to work with . And I was gonna add another uh slide here but I didn't quite have time there .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .User Interface: Um . Just incorporating some of the ideas that wehad previously like uh having multiple face but it's uh {gap} .Project Manager: Great . Thanks for that Ron .Marketing: Right .Project Manager: {vocalsound} 'KayMarketing: Does that mean I'm up ?Project Manager:yep that's you .Marketing: I think so . Okay .User Interface: I can plug you in .Marketing: Oh that would be perfect . Thank you . Slide show up and running .Project Manager: Give it a little bit .Marketing: Or not . Uh .Oh there we go . Perfect . Okay . So this is me . Um basically I was looking through some marketing reports that we've got and we had a usability test where we were actually sort {disfmarker} like watching a hundredpeople {vocalsound} use T_V_ remotes and see what it is that they're using and then they filled out a questionnaire about what they like and what they don't about their general T_V_ remote control practices . Umpretty much through testing we were finding out that most of the time , everybody's used to using changing the channel , turning it on , using the volume , m the majority of the time that's all that's going on , the otherfunctions happen , for some people they're important , but the primary uses are really really basic . Um and so big complicated remotes like one we saw in the last presentation are really not the general public's use ,they're not using a lot of it , they don't need it , they even find it frustrating when there are all those buttons that they don't know what to do with . {vocalsound} And um we also found out that uh fifty percent of ourpeople , their {disfmarker} the worst thing about a remote is how often they lose it . And then they can't find it in the room . So I think what we were talking about with a pager or something , will really come into playwith a lot of these people . {vocalsound} Um there's also a survey about what they liked about remotes ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: and pretty much they all think they're hideous and not very useful ,and the younger demographics are all really interested in voice recognition options . I don't know if that's something we're ready to look into technically , that's up to the design people , but it is s something worththinking about , especially since the younger demographic's obviously the one that's gonna keep growing , so if that's the direction we're headed in it's something to think about . Um but basically it really is the primaryfunctions and getting it to look nice , which are the standards . {vocalsound} So it's a good start for us .Project Manager: {vocalsound} That's great . Thank you Sarah . Right . So umMarketing: Need to unplug this?Project Manager: yep I'll just uh switch that back here .Marketing: Need it back .Project Manager: I'll finish up with just a bit of discussion plan on for the next phase .Marketing: There you go .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Right so I think we've covered most of these important questions through this um {vocalsound} through you guys's presentations um {vocalsound} we've got uh y the Industrial Designer suggests uh orpretty much emphatically suggested that we need to go with plastic . {vocalsound} Um Sarah , she's recommended that we go for simpler functions , so fewer functions um but we need to decide who are we selling thisto , you s your stats suggested that seventy five percent of people under thirty five wanted , thought about voice control ,Marketing: Oh right .Project Manager: {vocalsound} um so do we wanna go for that , or do wewant to go for an older demographic , and my thought is {vocalsound} um {vocalsound} we've got w if we're gonna go for a sleek look I mean we are putting the fashion in electronics {vocalsound} um .{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} We're not catering to the pensioners of the world I don't think so .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yes . So maybe this {disfmarker} we should look into thisyounger demographic . Um . SoMarketing: Right .Project Manager: {vocalsound} uh we need to wonder ah h about how we make it better and smaller and faster um think we're constrained to plastics very well , we'vegot this idea , Ron was saying we need to think about uh revolutionising the way it's looking um ,Marketing: Right .Project Manager: which might be easier given that we're going for simpler function and that we're onlygoing for a telly .Marketing: Uh .Project Manager: Um so um . How {disfmarker} th this voice operation thing is {disfmarker} I think is a good idea um assuming that it's doable , um at least for the basic controls ,maybe we can balance it that way , you know we can see .Marketing: Right .Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: Okay you can't say record alias tonight at seven P_M_Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: but we might be able to say um {vocalsound} volume up .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Right . I think it would be possible to uh combine the locator device and the voice recognition technology.Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: {vocalsound} Oh . That could work . I like that .Industrial Designer: With a simple command like locate . And then it could start to beepMarketing: Yeah . Something very basic.Industrial Designer: andMarketing: Right .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Right .Industrial Designer: therefore be found .User Interface: Sounds good .Marketing: Is that only gonna be within our two hundred footrange then ?Industrial Designer: Oh yeah I think that's very doable .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: The difficulty wh would be in um I think like i you couldn't speak into the remote that you're trying to find . 'Kayyou have something that picks up a voice from far away {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: It's a good point .Project Manager: If it's hidden under the couch {disfmarker} but then again you have thiswee {disfmarker} this wee thing you know that's just a little chip or whatever that has the page button , maybe that could be voice activated too .User Interface: A little sticky pad to stick on top of your uh television.Marketing: Mm .User Interface: And you just say something to {disfmarker} into thatMarketing: Yeah .User Interface: and itProject Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: finds your{disfmarker}Marketing: K {vocalsound}Project Manager: Or an isolated magnet or something like , or you know something that wouldn't interfere I don't know that'd be the technical thingMarketing: Yeah .ProjectManager: but {disfmarker} yeah I like that , I like that , the voice recognition for the paging system .User Interface: {vocalsound} The other thing is we might be able to handle the simplicity of a remote control andkind of put the more complicated things into a voice control . So it could be sold to both the younger market and the older market .Marketing: True .User Interface: And the younger market could use kind of the voivoice control method and the older market might might kMarketing: Making it just an option ?Industrial Designer: Mm .User Interface: exactly and might consider the older market could use the simpler design with thetraditional buttons and what not .Marketing: Yeah . Right .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer: I was thinking uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Are we still thinking about this screen {disfmarker} sorry.Industrial Designer: Oh go ahead .Marketing: Go ahead . The uh if we're gonna do this touch pad screen thing , it would be still , do we know if that's an option technically right now to that ?Project Manager: Mm-hmm.User Interface: 'S definitely an option technically . I've looked into uh costs of uh touch screen methods and what not ,Marketing: Okay . Okay .User Interface: they seem to be uh you know almost as cheap as a buttonmethod at this point .Marketing: We're doing okay .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: 'Cause it seems like an interesting option especially because then you could have like your primary screen just be these you knowfour or five basic functions , you can haveProject Manager: Mm . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: menu options or something to have all these other complicated voice recognition , settings , thingsthat you're not gonna use every day and that a lot of people aren't gonna use but it is an option there for this hi-tech market that sort of re is the sleek thing we're going for .Industrial Designer: Gotta wonder though ,if we're adding so much technology to this one remote , are we still gonna be able to meet out twelve pou our twelve fifty Euro you know goal for selling these things .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: True .Worth looking into .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: It seems like , we're not gonna be able to handle all these functions with just one microchip .Marketing:Yeah .Industrial Designer: The microchip is probably the most expensive part of the the whole mechanism .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: True . Yeah .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: So it's justsomething to consider .Project Manager: Absolutely . Mm 'kay um well yeah I guess we'll cross that bridge um in a la slightly later stages of development um but yeah I know , that's perfectly viable question . Mm 'kayum so I'm seeing that we're gonna just basically focus on this young demographic group , aim it at them , but then in a sense that its bells and whistles are available for anybody who wants them but basically we'llmake a sleek simple functioned um uh remote control .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Um I think this voice recognition thing is a we've got a market for it uh I don't think there's too many ,Marketing: Mm.Project Manager: we'd more or less be cornering the market on it as well , we don't have many um .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} I appear to have lost my microphone . Mm . {vocalsound} Right umwe don't have many people {vocalsound} or there's not very many competitors out there that do that so cool . Um right . I guess we've c we've touched on most of this . The idea of a paging function , a touch screen ,and face plates . Um . The thing with {disfmarker} I see {vocalsound} would there not be a {vocalsound} we'd have to maybe sacrifice the face plates for a touch screen ?User Interface: {vocalsound} Um I'm not surethat's sincerely correct ,Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: I think if you kind of take the example of a mobile phone that uh trying to pass a portion of the device is not interchangeable whereas the surroundingportions are interchangeable .Marketing: Mm . Just the casing .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: We could have the casing , the the face plates .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Back to the uh the cost{disfmarker} the material . {vocalsound} We have to ask whether we're going to include a certain number of face plates with the package ? That's something I w for {disfmarker} say we're including three or four faceplates , it's gonna drive the cost up .Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: And the other question is , if we do include them are we really in a position to evaluate that market ?Marketing: Yeah.Industrial Designer: We haven't done any tests on face plates and whether {disfmarker}Marketing: Right .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: See if there {disfmarker} if there's even interest out there.Project Manager: Okay . Right .Industrial Designer: Off the top of my head it sounds kind of like a gimmick that wouldn't really go anywhere .Project Manager: Yeah 'cause then ha you would have to {disfmarker} whoallMarketing: Mm . Right .Project Manager: it's not like with cell phones like where you have a {disfmarker} you know Nokia model X_ and then ten people make face plates for it , we'd be just our model of pho of tremote control . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Well in the publicity of a face plate on a phone is you have it out and around , it is sort of emblematic whereas you're just sit at home ,ProjectManager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: so unless somebody comes over to watch T_V_ {disfmarker}Project Manager: Mm . Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: Well hopefully some people have people coming tover to w to hang out at your houseProject Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: True . True . True .User Interface: and most people have their televisions in the living room . Uh .{vocalsound}Project Manager: Alright well we can {disfmarker} we can discuss that one further when we think about um whether th when we do costs and so forth , um .Marketing: Yeah . Oh yeah .User Interface:Sure .Project Manager: {vocalsound} True , if plastic is dead cheap and if we're making the whole thing out of plastic anyway um {vocalsound} yeah we'll cross that bridge later um but yeah we will have to evaluatewhat's most important . Um I think we've had a bit of discussion already on this thing , n s there any other questions comments that came up in these presentations ?User Interface: Well have we confirmed that we'regonna go ahead with a uh touch screen um {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah yeah okay . Um {disfmarker}User Interface: Interface ?Project Manager: Yeah I think that would be best . Let's based on what sh on what


Project Manager: Welcome back .Industrial Designer: I'm sorry to be late .Project Manager: Welcome back everybody .User Interface: Yeah . Thanks .Project Manager: So this meeting agenda will be the detailed designmeeting . And uh opening and uh P_M_s {gap} of the meet minutes , uh prototype presentation from uh Christine and uh Agnes .Industrial Designer: Agnes , yes .Project Manager: Yes and uh evaluation criteria . Thefinance , it's uh from my side , from the management , and uh production evaluation . Then uh closing . So we have forty minutes to discuss and uh finalise and close the product and project and to move further , okay ,so {disfmarker} Okay , let's talk about uh maybe first uh for the prototype .User Interface: Mm , okay .Project Manager: So I handle to {disfmarker}User Interface: I've done a presentation , but it pretty much coverswork that we've both done , so if I'm missing anything , Christine can just correct me .Project Manager: So shall I go to {disfmarker} sorry .Industrial Designer: Uh thank you , so you did a PowerPoint presentation ,good for you . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yep . S Okay , let's go to A_M_I_ .User Interface: {vocalsound} It's not the biggest PowerPoint presentation in the world , but {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} So in two or three or {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Three . Um . {vocalsound} No it's {disfmarker}Marketing:Probably . Technical pa I would think .User Interface: think it's the last one . No , then this is {vocalsound} the la yeah , that one , final design .Marketing: Ha .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: It is namedappropriately , you just couldn't see the name .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Um okay , can I have the mouse ?Project Manager: Yes .User Interface: Thanks .Alright , so from {disfmarker} when we were discussing specifying the case in the last meeting , we decided that we wanted an ergonomic shape , the material that we chose was wood , and uh the colour would becustomisable , 'cause you can stain the wood whatever colour . Um , so in terms of function , you have to be able to turn the T_V_ on and off , volume and channel control , menu control , voice recognition control , andwe've incorporated the L_C_D_ screen on the flip panel as part of the design , if we figure out it's too expensive , well then you just take it off . {vocalsound} Um , so {vocalsound} to unveil our lovely product . This isour remote control , with the flip panel as you can see .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: So if you lift up the panel , you can see the lovely yellow L_C_D_ display . {vocalsound} Um , this is actually hard to do .The yellow button you have is the on off button , so it's really big , hard to miss . You have the the red um triangles are the toggles for changing the volume . So up {disfmarker} volume up , down {disfmarker} volumedown . The green are the channel changing . {vocalsound} S And it's one of those very light , very touchable displays . And then you have the numeric pad in the dark blue at the bottom , and on the right-hand sideyou have the access to the menu on the T_V_ , and on the left-hand side you have the the the ability to turn off the voice recognition . So this is pretty much what we had on the white board the last time .ProjectManager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: So .Industrial Designer: Um and uh I could {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh yes .Industrial Designer: Yeah the dUser Interface: Additional feature on the back is thatyou can have your own customised backing and I suppose you could do the same thing on the flip case on the front . So that you can really make this a highly highly customisable remote control .Industrial Designer:We haven't um uh specified where the speaker or the microphone will be placed . That depends on the uh s design of the circuit board inside and uh what room is left um {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .ProjectManager: I think the microphone is on on the top , uh on the middle , the {disfmarker} under the flip .Industrial Designer: Yes , okay . Uh-huh .Project Manager: So that will be the safe , so p any {disfmarker} the chip{disfmarker} it's not on the chip because you need to have microphone {gap} to {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: No , I mean it depends on the design of the circuit board .Project Manager: Yes .User Interface: But itshouldn't be under the flip either , because you can have the remote control closed , but you still might want to activate it by voice .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh it's it's {disfmarker} Yeah , but uh uh my opinion Ithink it's better under the flip because whenever you want to uh the talk , okay , so then you can speak then you can close it . But if you put it on the on the flip , okay , then uh technical I don't think it's uh feasible ,'cause most of the time you speak then it will be recognised .User Interface: But if you've already got the remote control in your hand you need to open the flip to use the voice , why use the voice , why not just useyour hand ? I mean the whole point of the voice is that if the remote control is sitting there and I'm too lazy to reach over and pick it up , I can just use my voice .Industrial Designer: Maybe I've got my hand in thepopcorn bowl and I'm holding my cup of Coca-Cola in the other hand .User Interface: Yeah . And you don't wanna let go of either one . {vocalsound}Marketing: I don't wanna say . Louder . {vocalsound} Yeah .UserInterface: {vocalsound} I mean it doesn't have to be on the flip , it can be on the side somewhere .Marketing: Can also be on the side .Project Manager: Yeah , the sides maybe is good .User Interface: Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: Mm-hmm .User Interface: So , I mean I can pass this around if anyone wants to {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yes . So it's maybe good idea .Industrial Designer: Yeah , y better you pass it around with anapkin . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} No , because y you can easily put a microphone on the side that would have no problem would haven't been {disfmarker} not be damagedor anything , and it'd be accessible all the time to voice .User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: Yes . Yeah {vocalsound} .User Interface: Yeah , exactly .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager:So it's maybe good idea . S sIndustrial Designer: It's um {disfmarker} It's um {disfmarker}Marketing: Compliments to the artist .Industrial Designer: You need to work on the weight a little bit . {vocalsound}UserInterface: Yes .Marketing: Uh {vocalsound} .Project Manager: Okay . S {vocalsound} I'm fine , I'm satisfiUser Interface: And maybe the shape of the buttons ,Project Manager: I'm satisfied .User Interface: the littleegg shapes aren't the most economical , but {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} We're glad you're satisfied .Project Manager: Of course it's it's it's looks more heo heavy , but I think when it's completely{gap} maybe it's a less weight .User Interface: Yeah . I mean this is plasticene .Project Manager: Yes .User Interface: There's only so much you can do . We could have possibly made it a lot thinner as well .{vocalsound} But {disfmarker} And part of the thing is m a lot of people say that they don't like something that's too light , because they don't feel like they have enough control over it .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm.User Interface: So I mean maybe this is excessively heavy , but I think it needs to have some weight ,Project Manager: Yep .User Interface: it needs to feel like you're still holding something . {vocalsound} So that'spretty much it for our presentation actually .Project Manager: That's your uh prototype model ?User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay , that's good , thank you very much .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: So any comments or uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Well , the prototype is is very well within the design and ideas that we've we've talked about on the previous meetings .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing:Now it goes into this next phase as the financial uh marketing uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yes , that uh {disfmarker} So I'll come back to the {disfmarker} {gap} So evaluation criteria , I think uhthat will be good , so then let's come to the finance uh , I have some uh calculations which I made uh as for uh the budget . So here you can uh look like uh the energy {gap} and uh {gap} dynamo and uh kinetic andsolar cells . Uh it's optional , somewhat optional and Ed wants the chip on print , that's what uh we were talking about that .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So then we have sample sensor andsample speaker , then uh we have the wood material , then special colour and push button . So it's uh {disfmarker} actually , our budget was uh twelve point five Euro , but uh it's coming to nine point nine five Euro ,so we are under uh {disfmarker} below the budget , okay , so still we are saving some money . I think it's a good figure . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yes , great I {disfmarker} I'm surprised .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Congratulations . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Than thank you . {vocalsound}Marketing: Well we haven't come to mine yet , so {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Oh , okayUser Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: . It's gonna cost a long way to c you know , cost a lot of money to market it , is it ?Marketing: we're gonna have a bit of difference of opinion , yes .{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: So maybe it's {disfmarker} for some money we can utilise for our uh marketing , for the sales , okay , and uh {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} Well , it just dependson if we're gonna add a {vocalsound} o on this pr provisionary cost analysis , we do not have a L_C_ display . L_C_ display is gonna be very expensive ,User Interface: No we do , but it's not filled in .Marketing: it'sgonna be {disfmarker}Project Manager: It's not .Industrial Designer: Thirty .Marketing: It's not {disfmarker} it doesn't say .User Interface: It's number thirty .Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah .Marketing: We don't havethe price up there ,User Interface: Oh , yeah , yeah ,Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah .User Interface: you're right , sorry , yes .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: okay , so if we add approximately two to three Europer remote , now we're up around about twelve , twelve and a half as to what uh the company had initially uh requested . Um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: So that means we can put the uh {disfmarker} theL_C_D_ in , yeah .Marketing: Display in . But as far as production um I'm putting up a question because we're talking about profit also , and in mine you'll see uh {vocalsound} the problem with uh our survey , the pthe possibility that how many units can be sold , what percentage of the market , etcetera etcetera because that {gap} has to be taken in into consideration .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Uh this is justproduction cost , it is not uh advertising cost , it's not transportation cost uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yes , so still uh we have twelve point five Euro .Marketing: {vocalsound} And that will inflate quite a bit thecost of the uh {disfmarker} the cost of the unit for the company .Project Manager: Yes . {gap} Yeah , but {disfmarker} Yes . Yep .User Interface: Um-hmm .Marketing: So to come up with what the company wants is afifty million Pound profit , we're gonna have to go a long ways .Project Manager: Yes . This we are talking about one unit , okay , so when it go into the quantity , okay , and the cost will come down .Marketing:{vocalsound} Yes .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Although customisation , because this is being done , you know , the on {disfmarker} on-order basis , it might be uh the the quantity won't m won't uhMarketing:Slightly .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: It's gonna be very hard to reduce .User Interface: Yes .Industrial Designer: the circuit board will b you're right , would be in producing quantity , but the cost of the casewould uh {vocalsound} be fixed at the {disfmarker} Uh you got some pretty cheap labour that can do this case for one Euro .Marketing: That's not bad . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} That's really{disfmarker} that's the cost of the material and lab wow , that's really outstanding .Project Manager: Yep . Yeah . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} But anyhow , still we are under control , okay , so what uh I will do is I willtry to negotiate with the vendors , okay , to get uh the production cost less , okay , so then we can save some money , okay , to put into th our marketing or uh you know the promotions , whatever , okay , so that uh Iwill look after . I will speak to the management and how to get uh you know some more uh cost down .Marketing: If we can go to to my display . And we'll come back to yoursProject Manager: Yes .Marketing: just togive everybody an idea of the market . So now I'm gonna scare everybody out of this project . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: If I'm still here .Project Manager:You're in four ?Marketing: {gap} Yep The four gives me {disfmarker} it's gotta be uh TrendWatch .Project Manager: TrendWatch .Industrial Designer: Is this the same one you did before ?Marketing: No .IndustrialDesigner: Okay .Marketing: It shouldn't beUser Interface: That's {disfmarker} no , I think it's the same one .Marketing: if it's not {disfmarker} it's not the right one . No , no we g no , that's the same one . You have togo back and find another one . Whatever name it popped up under .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Functional .Marketing: Uh functional , try functional , it might not be it either , but we'll see .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}User Interface: It looks like it , there's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} S Yeah .Marketing: Yep , that's it . So we'll go screen by screen .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Although {vocalsound}since uh we need to have some type of idea on a market uh we had independent study that says it {disfmarker} this this market has an availability to absorb eight mi eight million units per year . Okay ? Our internalcompany evaluation puts it between eight to nine million which is approximately the same as the independent study .Project Manager: Yep . {vocalsound}Marketing: So if we continue , we'll look at the findings . Nextscreen . {vocalsound} Which means that uh if we have a target of two million would the company has to take twenty five percent of the market in the first year ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: which is actuallya tremendous amount .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah , no kidding . {vocalsound}Marketing: No kidding , yeah .Industrial Designer: Mayb maybe they already expected something .Marketing: So , if we put aninflated price of fifty Euro at a production cost that cannot exceed twenty-five Euro , okay , we're already in that that price , okay ,Project Manager: Yes .Marketing: with transport , promotion , labour , because we hav{gap} gi included the promotion in the cost , transport for the material to the stores or whatever how however we're gonna break this down between our our retailers .User Interface: Um-hmm .Marketing: Twenty-fivepercent of the market to get to two million units . At two million units , we have to have a profit of twenty-five Euro per unit to get to the fifty million unit Eu Euro profit .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Yep .Marketing:Okay ? So , obviously we w w I just did a run down the evaluation of the form , the fan uh the fancy stylishness of the {disfmarker} of the unit , the ease of use , speech recognition , cost , we've gone through these .Now , the company must evaluate the feasibility of being able to take enough of the market to justify in production . Or we project this over two years , but being that the market changes very very quickly , maybethere's no more interest in buying this thing in eighteen months from now .Project Manager: Yes . Yep . Of course .Marketing: So , now we have to come up with a decision .User Interface: Mm .Marketing: Can thecompany sell two million units ?Project Manager: Yep .Marketing: Can it sell it for fifty Euros ?Industrial Designer: Could could I go to findings ?Project Manager: Yep .Industrial Designer: Uh uh um I would uh like toexplore the possibility of using um alternative um delivery and sales channel which would be um to use the internet for promotion and orderingProject Manager: Yes .User Interface: {vocalsound} I was thinking thesame thing , yeah .Industrial Designer: and then to drop-ship the p product to the customer's residence .User Interface: Directly .Industrial Designer: That way you have no storage , you have no um {disfmarker} youdo have transportation , still have the labour cost ,User Interface: Um-hmm .Industrial Designer: but you don't have the transport to the uh point of sale .Project Manager: Yes .Industrial Designer: The point of sale isonline .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: To the agents .User Interface: Yeah . You can do a shipping centre somewhere , or strategically place shipping centres to minimise distance costs .Industrial Designer:Right , like Amazon . In fact , we should sell through Amazon ,Project Manager: Yes . Or eBay , or {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: don't you think ? Or eBay , yeah .Project Manager: Yes .User Interface: Yeah.Industrial Designer: There's an idea .Marketing: {gap}Project Manager: Yeah , that's a good idea .Industrial Designer: Going with um {disfmarker}Project Manager: To impro more profit and uh{disfmarker}Marketing: S Upscale technology .Project Manager: Yeah , yes .Industrial Designer: Ah , we we're do you know , selling a unique product uh . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Well .User Interface:That actually makes more sense if we're gonna make it so highly customisable , 'cause on the web people can look at the different options they have , see maybe what other people have done , what the range ofpossibility as ,Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: There are several companies that have gone that way .User Interface: whereas if you're in a store , you can't {disfmarker} unless you're a highly imaginative person ,you may not really know what it is you want ,Industrial Designer: Mm .User Interface: whereas on the web , if you have a bunch of pictures , it can sort of trigger ideas and {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .And you can even have an {disfmarker} a movie that you can rotate the object and look at the di the only thing that you're missing really is the weight .User Interface: Yeah . The weight and feel .Marketing: Weight ,the feel of the product , but {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Mm .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: We're getting used to that . It's not quite like trying on a shoe , but people are getting used to buying thingsonline that they can't touch before buying .User Interface: Yeah . Yeah .Marketing: There are several that have gone through with the watches , too . You can customise a watch , you can see how it is at the f at the endof the production ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Uh-huh .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Marketing: you can change it uh {disfmarker} There's a lot of online that's {disfmarker} that is doing this now .User Interface:Yes .Marketing: And when you're rotating , you'll look behind and look this way uh {disfmarker} it's possible to do with this , maybe there's a possibility of selling more than two million units in one year , which could{vocalsound} you know , feasibili feasibility uh lower the price of the unit .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: We can .Industrial Designer: Great .Project Manager: I don't think that's uhnot possible , it's uh {disfmarker} okay then , l uh let's wait for the production , okay , then uh you can evaluate the product , so how it looks like technically and uh how it look like uh the real .User Interface: Whatturnaround time do we have ?Project Manager: TUser Interface: 'Cause I mean production evaluation can be very very quick or very very long .Project Manager: Oh but {disfmarker} Yes it's it's very quick , of course .It will uh come back in two weeks , okay , it will be ready in two weeks .Industrial Designer: Works for me .Project Manager: For evaluation , okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Prototypes , you mean .ProjectManager: Yes , the prototype uh {disfmarker} prototype product evaluation .Industrial Designer: In um {disfmarker} We probably should do some market tests uh once we have the prototypes and do some orders andthings like that and test-market it .Project Manager: Yes . Yes . Yes .Marketing: Well , obviously .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Mm that'd have to be thrown out on the market for people toget an idea ,Project Manager: So you can take a minimum two weeks to a maximum four weeks .Marketing: to see {disfmarker} get get their {disfmarker}User Interface: Mm-hmm . Think minimum two weeks if we're


Project Manager: Well hi everyone again .User Interface: Hello .Industrial Designer: Hello .Marketing: HelloProject Manager: Um {vocalsound} like before we uh {disfmarker} I have to redo the meetings from{vocalsound} {disfmarker} n th the minutes from the last meetingMarketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: and so here we go . Uh it was discussed in the last meeting uh which was opened by the presentation from theinterface um designer {vocalsound} that uh looks would be very important on this new remoteUser Interface: Designer . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: and um it is to send messages of courseto the T_V_ . It should have nine channel buttons , a next button , volume buttons , subtitle buttons , switch to control features , colour contrast , sharpness etcetera . It should have a memory switch , a mute button incase the telephone rings or something . Uh speech recognition is one of her very f favourite personal uh features she would like see d d to be integrated in this um in this new remote . Um . {vocalsound} Should be childfriendly design with few buttons , colourful maybe with s star shaped or other shaped buttons . Um she uh presented also an oversized remote which she guarantees nobody will ever be able to lose .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Um {disfmarker}Marketing: And she was challenged on that point {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} that's right . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Yes .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: But uh her very f personal favourite really she , she would very much like to see a speech recogniser integrated in this remote . The industrial designerum presented her uh {vocalsound} thoughts on the issue . She would like a special case made out of plastic that is very strong , not using any harmful materials , should be recyclable and should be colourful . Shouldhave an integrated circuit board that's highly sophisticated and temperature resistant . She would like to see a timer and or alarm facility integrated . Uh technically this thing would also have a resistor and a capacitor ,diode transistor , resonator , and if possible a rechargeable battery . Uh and of course a circuit board . And how it would works , you press the button , the chip is morse {disfmarker} morse code related relays the{disfmarker} uh to the generat to the generator amplification and uh the circuit board is very inexpensive to build and so she thinks this is a great feature uh to to to consider .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Shewould like uh {disfmarker} this whole thing should be push buttons with a simple chip uh scrolling method is more expensive and not that practical anymore . Should be battery operated and of course she would havethe special cases . The marketing expert uh who has to finally come up with {disfmarker} to to to market this product has been watching the competition , has done some research on the internet and also has used hher personal observations to come up with the fact that such a remote sh should be small , easy to use and it should be eye catching . From her point of view of course one of the most important facts is that we shouldget to market before our competition does . To do that uh maybe one or two features should be developed on which we could dwell on or in other words on which our campaign could be built on . Too many new featuresor too many points would only confuse matter . So we prefer to have one or two features that can be really uh driven home . Um it should have a fruit and vegetable design and should have a soft feel . She feels that'sreally what people want today . And the decision that we took last time was that uh the special feature we would like to see is a speech recogniser , the energy should be battery uh should be on a chip , should betrendy design , compact and strong , and should have buttons . And that concludes the presentation from the last minutes {disfmarker} from the last meeting . Now uh we are ready for the presentation of the prototype.User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Just the look like , the button part I'll explain .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Uh so this is our {disfmarker} what uh we have made . This is a model of theremote control which we are going to build .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Uh this is us in a snail shape so uh it it is attractiveMarketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: um and it's {disfmarker} it'sblue in colour uh bright and uh it has yellow buttons and all the different colour buttonsMarketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: so it is a {disfmarker} uh uh a {disfmarker} looks-wise it is beautiful .Marketing:Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Uh and also compact in shape .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Uh um and also i it it will be easily fit into {disfmarker} into the hands and you can access all the buttons easily.Marketing: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Good .Industrial Designer: Yeah ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: oops , sorry . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} You used to have all the buttons{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Um yeah and um uh the material which we are going to use for the case is uh plastic and uh w which which is s strong um uh and also uh forthe {disfmarker} Um the material is plastic and uh for the buttons it is uh s soft rubber um and alsMarketing: Oh that's good ,Industrial Designer: yeah .Marketing: no , that's nice and friendly .Industrial Designer: Yeahbecause uh uh you'll be touching the buttons more so it is soft when you touch it .Marketing: Mm-hmm . Mm .Project Manager: Mm-hmm ,Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Andthen um uh for the {disfmarker} for the led , for the light emitting diode it is a fluorescent greenMarketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: and it's a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} it is a bulb like an ordinary infrared.Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: And {disfmarker} and the button {disfmarker} button's part uh will be explained by F Francina .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: Okay .User Interface: Now the um{disfmarker} we decided upon including certain features on our remote . Now these features includes the s um signal emitting uh signal {disfmarker} it's the led or L_E_D_ the infrared .Project Manager: Mm-hmm,Marketing: Yeah , okay , mm-hmm .Project Manager: mm-hmm .User Interface: Now uh we have included the switch on and off button .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Now we have included another feature thatis the mute buttonMarketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: on the side of the model . Then we have included one to nine buttonsMarketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: for controlling the programmes {disfmarker} thedifferent channels .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: We have also included two buttons for increasing or decreasing the volume .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: And we have also included two buttons forscrolling up and scrolling down the programme channels . Now our {disfmarker} our model also contains a button which is called as the menu button .Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: What kind of button ?UserInterface: Menu button .Project Manager: Menu ? Uh menu th menu , uh one one .User Interface: Yes , menu {disfmarker}Marketing: Menu button . {vocalsound}User Interface: At the centreMarketing: Mm-hmm .UserInterface: we have included a button which is fluorescent green colour and this is the menu button which will control the colour , sharpness , brightnessMarketing: Mm-hmm . Of the screen . Mm , mm-hmm .UserInterface: of this uh picture . We have also included a button which is called as the swapping button . Now this is uh a special , special feature which we have included . Now this button is an elongated shaped buttonand this is slightly flexible so if it is turned towards the right it will take to the previous channel , if it is turned towards the right it will take to the next channel . It will take the user to the previous and the next channelso this is a swapping button .Marketing: The next channel in the numeric pattern , or {disfmarker}User Interface: No , swapping is if if example you're {disfmarker} you're watching the second channel and then you goto the tenth channel and if you want to go back to the second channel you can swap , this button .Marketing: Yeah , mm-hmm . Mm .User Interface: Yes .Marketing: Okay , okay .User Interface: And at the end , it{disfmarker} this remote has inbuilt voice recogniser which c which will recognise the user's voice and then it'll act accordingly .Project Manager: Okay . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .User Interface: So this is our proposedmodel .Marketing: Okay .User Interface: Now the marketing expert has toMarketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Tell , yeah .User Interface: give her suggestion whether it'll be sellable {vocalsound} or it'll be costeffective .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay , well um what {disfmarker} what I really like a lot about it is that you can reach the whole thing with one thumb ,User Interface: Yes , yes.Marketing: that you can really hold it in one h you don't need two handsIndustrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: and it's easily reachable even for somebody with a small hand , yeah ?Project Manager: Yes thebuttons are all raised , right ?Marketing: The buttons are all raisedProject Manager: Are raised , mm-hmm .User Interface: Yes .Marketing: and if you hold it in the centre of your hand you can even reach it over here soyou don't have to turn it around , turn it upside down , move it up , up and down ,Project Manager: Right . Or have two hands to operate it , yeah .Marketing: I really like that .User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer:Mm-hmm .Marketing: You really did a good job on that , my little designers .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Um and um I like the idea that the on-off button isin a really prominent place . That's that's a really good good thing .Project Manager: Yes , and it sort of sticks up so that you really {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah , that's great .Project Manager: you don't have to g firstgo like oh yeah here it's on and yeah , mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Hmm . Mm-hmm .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Abs okay .Marketing: The colour's very attractive . Um the um these buttons uh aroundhere are the muteUser Interface: No , these {disfmarker} the front buttons which are here , are the mute buttons .Marketing: and {disfmarker} these {disfmarker} mm-hmm On both sides they're mute ?UserInterface: Yes , yes .Marketing: So you can push either one ?User Interface: Yes .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: So if you're left-handed or right-handed it doesn't matter .Marketing: And this brings the menu up onthe screen ?User Interface: {vocalsound} Pardon me ? This is the menu {disfmarker} yes , yes .Marketing: This brings the menu up on the screen and the orange ones are {disfmarker}User Interface: A the{disfmarker} the {disfmarker} these {disfmarker} these two are th to increase or decrease the volumes ,Marketing: Okay .User Interface: and these two are to uh scroll the programme channels .Marketing: F f okay.User Interface: Scroll up or scroll down the channels .Marketing: Right , very good . Uh it looks mm looks like something I can sell .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay andnow I'm supposed to {disfmarker}Project Manager: Well , I have one questionMarketing: yeah .Project Manager: uh will there be anything written on the buttons , like that people know , or they have to learn that froma piece of paper which button does what ?User Interface: Yes , it will have uh {disfmarker} these buttons will have the numbers and all the rest of the buttons will have symbols .Industrial Designer: Ah . Yeah ,definitely .Project Manager: Will have symbols so that that {disfmarker} that the user really knows you know and doesn't have to first learn it {disfmarker}User Interface: Yes , which can be easily recognised .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Yes .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah .Marketing: Good point because we need the symbols 'cause we're going into an international marketwe can't have anything that's language dependent .User Interface: Yes .Industrial Designer: Yeah of course , and also {disfmarker}User Interface: Yes .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: Yeah . But anyway itwould ha i i i it has to have some kind of of symbols , text or something so that people knIndustrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Yes .Industrial Designer: Yeah we can {disfmarker} Text .Marketing: Symbols on it .Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .User Interface: Yes .Industrial Designer: Text that we can have on the case itself ,Project Manager: That's right .User Interface: Yes .Industrial Designer: we can {disfmarker} it will be printed onthe case and symbols as well as the buttons . Yeah .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Okay , yeah just wanted make sure of that mm-hmm .User Interface: And {disfmarker} and one more feature is we we havea holder for this remote which is an oyster shape .Marketing: Mm , 'kay , mm . Mm-hmm .User Interface: A shell shape .Marketing: For the snail , yeah , mm-hmm ,Project Manager: Right , mm-hmm .User Interface:Yes , yes .Industrial Designer: Yeah . So it is {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} we have the snail shell .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Yes , snail shell .Industrial Designer: yeah ,Marketing: He goesright back into his shell .Industrial Designer: yeah {disfmarker} shell .Project Manager: Right .User Interface: Yes .Marketing: Well you know I think we could do something really funny with this too because the snail isknown to be slowIndustrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: and we could have some sort of little comic effect on our marketing about how this is a rapid snail or something like thatUser Interface: Mm-hmm .IndustrialDesigner: Mm .User Interface: {vocalsound} Y Yes {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah , of course , yeah .Marketing: you know that would , that would really work .Project Manager: Now what , whatare our special features for the marketing ?Marketing: So {disfmarker}Project Manager: That's really the voice recognition that's really unusual {disfmarker}Marketing: I think voice recognition is our big sellingpointIndustrial Designer: Mm . Mm-hmm .Marketing: 'cause nobody else seems to have that in in this price range .Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: And then , and then the other thing would basically be shshape or practicality of use .Marketing: YepProject Manager: You know .Marketing: uh well I think that everybody's gonna say their remote control is practical . I think we have to , we have to dwell on on on theappearance .Project Manager: Colours . Mm-hmm .Marketing: We're really gonna have the be theProject Manager: Cutest .Marketing: cutest remote control on the block .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Mm.Marketing: So I think we have to play with the image , play with the snail image um play with the visual and then the voice recognition .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: I think those are the two things topush . The look and the voice recognition . They're gonna be our two selling points .Project Manager: Okay , now uh having said that {disfmarker}Marketing: I'm supposed to make a little presentation , aren't I ?ProjectManager: No , now this was our evaluation criteria which we uh just have done .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Now we're gonna talk about financing . {vocalsound}Marketing: Ah , but in my instructions I think itsaid I was supposed to go to the board and do something .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Well , there is a production evaluation .Marketing: No ?Project Manager: Is that you ?Marketing: Yeah , that's me .ProjectManager: But that's after the financing .Marketing: Oh , okay .Project Manager: See ? Fi see ?Marketing: Sorry , sorry . Mm-mm .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Um . {vocalsound} Okay , we had looks and voice recognition . Okay now on the financing we bring up the mm there it is . Okay uh energy source we say that's battery , right ?IndustrialDesigner: Mm .Marketing: That's right .Project Manager: Okay , now . So we {disfmarker} I guess we use one .User Interface: Yes .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: What ? T cell or chart you are trying tochange is protected . Well , that's nice . She told me I could just ch change it here and then it would {disfmarker} It doesn't work . Hmm .Marketing: Can you just fill it in in the yellow boxes ? Or {disfmarker}ProjectManager: Oh , okay yeah , okay ,Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: let's see . Okay , one , okay .User Interface: Yes .Project Manager: Oh go away . Um kinetic source so that's {disfmarker} in the energysource that's all we need .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Uh electronics , simple chip on print ? Is that's what we're using ?User Interface: Yes .Industrial Designer: Yeah ,Project Manager: One of those?Industrial Designer: yeah .Project Manager: Come on . Okay , one . Uh regular chip on print . No . That's all we need , the oneIndustrial Designer: No . Yeah .Project Manager: {disfmarker} case , uncurved flat , singlecurved , double curved .Marketing: Well . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: This is a {disfmarker}User Interface: Single curve ? Mm .Marketing: I guess it's double curved .Project Manager: Double curved ? One ofthose ?Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Case materi s supplements . Plastic we said , right ?User Interface: Plastic .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Uh wood , rubber ?Industrial Designer: Yeah.Marketing: Rubber , because we're gonna have the soft buttons .Project Manager: Uh but , yes but {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: I think uh that is uh f for rubbers that is uh {disfmarker} yeah case material .ProjectManager: That's just for the case material ,User Interface: Is this for the case ? Yes .Project Manager: so special colours though , we having that ,Marketing: Oh okay , the mm-hmm , mm' kay .Project Manager: right?User Interface: Yes .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: And then we have to interface push buttons .User Interface: Yes .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Scroll wheel , no .Integrated scroll wheel , L_C_ display ?User Interface: No .Marketing: No ,Project Manager: Button .Marketing: 'cause we didn't put the clock in it after all , right ?Project Manager: No .Industrial Designer: Yeah.Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Uh , button supplement special colour ?User Interface: Speci YesProject Manager: Special form ?User Interface: Yes d we do have special form .Marketing: Yes .Project Manager:And special material , rubber , wood , yes .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound} Total seven point six whatever that means .Industrial Designer: Uh , I think that's the price .Project Manager:That's the price .User Interface: One two three four five six seven eight nineProject Manager: Mm ?Industrial Designer: Maybe it {disfmarker} is it just {disfmarker} nProject Manager: Eight , eight point two . That's{disfmarker}User Interface: Nine points ,Project Manager: hmm ?User Interface: okay , yes .Project Manager: Eight point two , right ? So , we {disfmarker} looks like we are well within budget .User Interface: Okay.Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Okay . I guess I should save this I suppose , huh ?Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Oops . Uh-huh huh huh .User Interface: On the desktop .ProjectManager: I just tried that . My documents , computer .Industrial Designer: AMI .Project Manager: My compu Ah oh here it is , yes .Industrial Designer: AMI should forProject Manager: Okay , fine . Save . Okay good , sothat's the good news . We gonna be popular .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um . So that uh {disfmarker} I think financing was prettysimple .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Now we would like to have a presentation by the marketing expert on production evaluation .Marketing: Okay , I'll take my file down so you can bring it up . 'Kay shouldbe able to get it now . 'Kay , why don't you move just to the next slide right away .Project Manager: You wanna go to the next slide ?Marketing: Yeah right away .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Okay , well uhobviously my method for uh s m the marketing of this thing is first to ask the big question , will it sell ? And I think we should show this prototype to people from various age and socio-economic groups and see aboutany fine tuning that {disfmarker} maybe little things we haven't thought of .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: We can't accept every suggestion of course , but maybe we just need to get


Industrial Designer: Now what .Project Manager: 'Kay , hello everybody . Uh , I guess you all know what is it about , you all received the email , I guess . Uh , we are actually doing this meeting to start a new projectwhich is about designing a remote control . So I'm going to be the project manager of this uh project . And uh so I'm {disfmarker} present myself . I'm Fabien Cardinaux and uh I I guess you can present yourself . So Idunno , you can starts .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay , so my name is Petre {gap} . You can call me Petre {gap} , or Peter if you like . I don't care {gap} .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Uhmy name's Bob Mor .Project Manager: And you are ? In the project ?Industrial Designer: Uh , in the project I'm supposed to be the technic .Marketing: Oh , sorry .Project Manager: {gap}Marketing: 'Kay . So my name'sBob Morris . I'm the Marketing Expert for this project .Industrial Designer: Bob ,Marketing: Bob yeah .Industrial Designer: okay .User Interface: My name is Hamed Getabdar , and uh I'm going to be Interface Designerin this project .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: So , uh , so today we are doing a short meeting to present the project , so um We are gooding we are going to present the tool we are {vocalsound} we aregoing to use during all this project . We are talking about the project plan , and we are going to to discuss about st our first ideas and so on , and , yeah . So we have around twenty five minutes to do this meeting . Um. So what is the goal of this project ? Is to design a new remote control . So it should be , of course , new and original , and um it should be trendy , and user friendly . That mean it's a very challenging project , and uhuh . So w it's {disfmarker} we will try to do our best , and hopefully come with something very new and that people want to buy . So , um {disfmarker} So what's uh what are we going to do during this all this project ?So it's more like we are going to do inv individual work all in o in o our specialities and we are going to meet each other quite often to discuss and to find a good way . Um . Yeah and everything is {disfmarker} will belike this . Um so now we are going to to get used t to to the tools we are going to use all {disfmarker} during all this project . So we can try to use uh the whiteboard here . So {gap} uh .Industrial Designer: Okay.Project Manager: For example we can try to write what is our our favourite animal and write the f our favourite characteristics about it . Mm . Uh {vocalsound} . So uh {disfmarker} {gap} So I will ask you all to do thesame .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: Just to get used to the whiteboard .Industrial Designer: So probably I would try to try to draw the animal . Well sh should I draw the picture of the animal ?ProjectManager: Yeah , yeah , you can draw the picture , of course {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: I I th I think I should .Marketing: Yeah go ahead .Industrial Designer: Okay , so . Um {vocalsound} . Okay , American ,um . Um . I would use the bird . So I tried to sketch it out . I had to first uh write it down because I am not absolutely sure if I can draw it , but ah . Can you recognise it {vocalsound} as a bird ?Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay {vocalsound} it's your turn to {disfmarker}Marketing: Okay , okay . {vocalsound} So I think my favourite animal would be a c a cat .Project Manager:Oh .Marketing: That's its head .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Um I probably like cats the most because they're cuddly and furry and uh playful .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {gap}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay .User Interface: I dunno if I should go with this {gap} {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: Oh it's okay .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: Thanks . {vocalsound}User Interface: If it is enough line .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Maybe put it upUser Interface: {vocalsound} I'm sorry .{vocalsound}Marketing: {disfmarker} Put it a Maybe put it on the desk or something .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I should get used to the tool , so .Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Oh just wait {gap} a little bit . C could we put it here , to make it as straight as possible ?User Interface: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Ah probably not .User Interface: {vocalsound} They should be remote .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay , it{disfmarker} it works like this .Marketing: Uh , that's better .User Interface: Okay , thanks .Marketing: Your lapel microphone's fallen off .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Are you left-handed ?UserInterface: No .Industrial Designer: Oh , pity {vocalsound} .User Interface: Okay . Should I clean ? {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Okay , I think like horses uh because they arestrong and beautiful , so if I want to write it here , I think I can . {vocalsound} Oh {vocalsound} .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Never mind . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Ah , it's maybe better if youleave it .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah . Maybe we should just continue .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah , don't worry about it . {vocalsound}User Interface: {gap}Project Manager: {gap} , no worry.Marketing: No .Industrial Designer: {gap}User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: You won't draw them , or ?Project Manager: You can draw it , if you want . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}UserInterface: I dunno if I can .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Just try . I would like to see how it looks like .User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound} It may be like a cow or I dunno , whatever .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} I'm not good very good in drawing . Okay , so this is very {vocalsound}{disfmarker} It's a bird , I think . I dunno what is it . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: No , I think it's clear .User Interface: {vocalsound} Four . Okay . Mm-hmm . Mm . Yeah . I'm shameful {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Oh that's good , it's good .Industrial Designer: It's okay . It's in it's indeed beautiful .Project Manager: Good .Marketing: Yeah , and strong . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound} Okay .Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Bob . Have to remember it . Bob .Project Manager: So good um {disfmarker} So , let's talk about money . Uh we are going to to sell {disfmarker} we want to sell uh this remote control for twenty five EuroEuro . And uh our expected profit will be around fifty million Euro . And uh we are trying to to have a market all around the world . So {gap} n not only for Switzerland , but for the world . Uh . So , um . The{disfmarker} We expect a production cost of maximum uh twelve point fifty Euro .Industrial Designer: Per unit , I guess .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah , of course .Industrial Designer: Y oh okay .ProjectManager: Um , so we can start today to have a first idea of what we want to do what are our experiments with remote control , and any idea ? So , if you have some experience , good or bad , with remote controls youcan share it and say what you f what is your idea . Anything .Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing: Well , from experience , um I've had remote controls in the past that have had very {disfmarker} they've had lots andlots of buttons and they've been very small , and it's been very hard to to to use , because there's so many buttons , and you know it's very hard to see which buttons do what , and the buttons are very small and veryhard to press . Um and and normally you only every use , you know , on a T_V_ remote you only ever use , mostly , you know , f four or f six buttons . Um .Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: Oh .Marketing: Soit's frustrated me in the past , th that .Industrial Designer: Okay , I have also some points uh . Maybe two points . Uh first would be that in current remote controls there is no back light {vocalsound} , so if you are ifyou are uh playing with this in the dark room it's it's probably worth to to have something like uh back light .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: And maybe it could be also dependant on the the amount of oflight in the room , so that if if it's in the day it doesn't need to be back lighted because it works on the battery , so . So something like this . And the second thing , f second point from me would be that in a normalremote control there is uh {disfmarker} there are two buttons for volume control .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: But I prefer like a potential-meter or something like .Marketing: Ah , okay . Okay.Industrial Designer: You know , some slider or {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Not just two discrete buttons for volume ,User Interface: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Okay , n {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: but something which {disfmarker}Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Yeah .Marketing: Is that because the {disfmarker} of the discrete volume levels , or is thatIndustrial Designer: Yeah , but I can reach{disfmarker} In uh one second I can mute it down , or or make a high volume .Project Manager: {gap} Are you not afraid that if you take your remote control you can move the slide and it could {gap} {disfmarker}the the volume can go up very quicklyMarketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Ah , n .Project Manager: and it can {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: If it drops to the floor then it starts to scream {gap} .Project Manager:Yeah , also if y when you take the the remote control , for example on the table , you take it and you push the button and everything is very loud , andIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah , f It depends what whatyou feel about that .Project Manager: you have a heart attack {vocalsound} . Okay .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah but we can we can think of these things afterwards , but if {gap} you have some morenotes on that .Project Manager: Yeah so you can {disfmarker}User Interface: Uh I {disfmarker} Yeah ,Project Manager: Do you have something ?User Interface: just a simple experience . I uh I prefer um remotecontrol working with radio waves , because remote control working with infra-red rays you should you should you should keep it in a specific direction and then try it hard to tune {gap} .Project Manager: Yeah , that'strue . Yeah without obstacles and {gap} .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: Okay . Let's continue .Industrial Designer: Um .Project Manager: I have a meeting in five minutes , so maybe we should hurry.Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Um . So we will close uh this meeting .Industrial Designer: Okay , just a second . {gap}Project Manager: So we will have a next meeting in uh thirty minutes .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Um . Uh . The {disfmarker} So I will ask you to do some work . Uh the the interface interface developer will work on the on the design of the remote control , start to to have new ideaandIndustrial Designer: Which i which is Hamed , {gap} ?Project Manager: read about {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Okay .User Interface: Mm .Marketing: He's the Industrial Designer ? No , you're the IndustrialDesigner .Industrial Designer: Uh I am the Technical Designer ,User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Oh .Industrial Designer: I dunno which one , uh v .Marketing: Yeah ,Project Manager: Industry and {disfmarker}Oh .Marketing: I think that's the first . I_D_ . Industrial Designer .User Interface: Uh-huh .Marketing: And the second one is the User Interface Designer .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Marketing: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: User Interf Okay .Marketing: And then last one's marketing , which is me .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Okay , so I'm the first one .Project Manager: So , um {disfmarker}Marketing:{gap}Project Manager: For the User Interface Designer , which is Hamed um ,User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: uh , you are going to work on the technical functions of the remote control .Industrial Designer:I see .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: And for the Marketing uh Manager , I dunno , okay , which is Bob , uh you are going to try to to find the user requirements f uh for the remote control . Um , you willreceive by email uh the specific instructions and uh by your personal coach .Industrial Designer: {gap} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {gap} Sign .Project Manager: Yep finished . So I see you in thirty minutes .Marketing:Great , okay .Project Manager: {gap}Industrial Designer: Okay .User Interface: Okay , thanks .Marketing: Thanks guys . Bye .User Interface: Bye .Project Manager: Thank you .Industrial Designer: {gap} Uh . {gap}


PhD E: Yeah .Professor B: Um , so . If we can't , we can't . But uh we 're gonna try to make this an abbreviated meeting cuz the {disfmarker} the next {disfmarker} next occupants were pushing for it , so . Um . So .Agenda is {disfmarker} according to this , is transcription status , DARPA demos XML tools , disks , backups , et cetera andGrad H: Does anyone have anything to {pause} add to the agenda ?Professor B: OK . Shouldwe just go in order ? Transcription status ? Who 's {disfmarker} that 's probably you .Postdoc A: I can do that quickly . Um I hired several more transcribers , They 're making great progress .Professor B: Seven?Postdoc A: Seve - several , several .Professor B: Oh .Postdoc A: And uh {disfmarker} and uh , uh I 've been uh finishing up the uh double checking . I hoped to have had that done by today but it 's gonna take onemore week .Grad H: UmPhD D: I gGrad H: as a somewhat segue into the next topic , um could I get a hold of uh the data even if it 's not really corrected yet just so I can get the data formats and make sure theinformation retrieval stuff is working ?Postdoc A: Certainly . Yeah I mean , it 's in the same place it 's been .Grad H: So can you just {disfmarker} Oh , it is .Postdoc A: Uh - huh . No change .Grad H: OK . Just{disfmarker} So , " transcripts " is the sub - directory ?Postdoc A: Uh {disfmarker} Yes . Uh - huh .Grad H: OK . So I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll probably just make some copies of those rather than use the ones that are there.Postdoc A: OK .Grad H: Um and then just {disfmarker} we 'll have to remember to delete them once the corrections are made .Postdoc A: OK .Professor B: OK , whPhD D: I also got anot a short remark to thetranscription . I 've uh just processed the first five EDU meetings and they are chunked up so they would {disfmarker} they probably can be sent to IBM whenever they want them .Grad C: Cool .PhD F: Well the secondone of thosePhD D: Yep . It 's already at IBM ,PhD F: is already at IBM .PhD D: but the other ones {disfmarker}PhD F: That 's the one that {pause} we 're waiting to hear from them on .PhD D: Yeah . Yeah .Postdoc A:OK .PhD F: Yeah .Postdoc A: These are separate from the ones that {disfmarker}PhD F: As soon as {disfmarker}Postdoc A: I mean , these are {disfmarker}PhD F: They 're the IBM set .PhD D: Yep .Grad H: It 's thisone .Postdoc A: Excellent . Good .PhD F: Yeah . And so as soon as we hear from Brian that this one is OKGrad H: Is my mike on ? Yeah .PhD F: and we get the transcript back and we find out that hopefully there are noproblems matching up the transcript with what we gave them , then uh we 'll be ready to go and we 'll just send them the next four as a big batch ,Postdoc A: Excellent .PhD F: and let them work on that .Grad H: Andso we 're doing those as disjoint from the ones we 're transcribing here ?PhD F: Yes , exactly .Grad H: OK , good .PhD F: We 're sort of doing things in parallel , that way we can get as much done a at once .Grad H:Yeah , I think that 's the right way to do it ,PhD F: Yeah .Grad H: especially for the information retrieval stuff . Anything else on transcription status ?Postdoc A: Hm - mmm .Grad H: OK .Professor B: DARPA demos , wehad the submeeting the other day .Grad H: Right , which uh {disfmarker} So I 've been working on using the THISL tools to do information retrieval on meeting data and the THISL tools are {disfmarker} there 're twosets , there 's a back - end and a front - end , so the front - end is the user interface and the back - end is the indexing tool and the querying tool . And so I 've written some tools to convert everything into the right forfile formats . And the command line version of the indexing and the querying is now working . So at least on the one meeting that I had the transcript for uh conveniently you can now do information retrieval on it , do{disfmarker} type in a {disfmarker} a string and get back a list of start - end times for the meeting ,PhD F: What {disfmarker} what kind of uh {disfmarker} what does that look like ? The string that you type in .GradH: uh of hits .PhD F: What are you {disfmarker} are you {disfmarker} are they keywords , or are they {disfmarker} ?Grad H: Keywords .PhD F: OK . I see .Grad H: Right ? And so {disfmarker} and then it munges it topass it to the THISL IR which uses an SGML - like format for everything .PhD F: I see .Professor B: And then does it play something back or that 's something you 're having to program ?Grad H: Um , right now , I havea tool that will do that on a command line using our standard tools ,Professor B: Yeah .Grad H: but my intention is to do a prettier user interface based either {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} so that 's the other thing Iwanted to discuss , is well what should we do for the user interface ? We have two tools that have already been written . Um the SoftSound guys did a web - based one ,Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad H: um , which Ihaven't used , haven't looked at . Dan says it 's pretty goodProfessor B: Mm - hmm .Grad H: but it does mean you need to be running a web server .Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad H: And so it {disfmarker} it 's prettybig and complex . Uh and it would be difficult to port to Windows because it means porting the web server to Windows .Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad H: Uh the other option is Dan did the Tcl - TK THISL GUI front - endfor Broadcast NewsProfessor B: Yeah .Grad H: which I think looks great . I think that 's a nice demo . Um and that would be much easier to port to Windows . And so I think that 's the way we should go .Postdoc A: I{disfmarker} Can I ask a question ? So um as it stands within the {disfmarker} the Channeltrans interface , it 's possible to do a find and a play .Grad H: Mm - hmm .Postdoc A: You can find a searched string and play .So e Are you {disfmarker} So you 're adding like um , I don't know , uh are they fuzzy matches or are they {pause} uh {disfmarker} ?Grad H: It 's a sort of standard , text - retrieval - based {disfmarker} So it 's uhterm frequency , inverse document frequency scoring .Postdoc A: OK .Grad H: Um and then there are all sorts of metrics for spacing how far apart they have to be and things like that . So it {disfmarker} it 'sPostdoc A:It 's a lot more sophisticated than the uh the basically Windows - based {disfmarker}Grad H: i it 's like doing a Google query or anyth anything else like that .Postdoc A: OK .Grad H: So i it uses {disfmarker} So it prproduces an index ahead of time so you don't {disfmarker} you 're not doing a linear search through all the documents . Cuz you can imagine if {disfmarker} with {disfmarker} if we have the sixty hours ' worth you do{disfmarker} wouldn't wanna do a search .Postdoc A: Hm - mmm . Good .Grad H: Um you have to do preindexing and so that {disfmarker} these tools do all that . And so the work to get the front - end to work wouldbe porting it {disfmarker} well {disfmarker} uh to get it to work on the UNIX systems , our side is just rewriting them and modifying them to work for meetings .Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad H: So that it understandsthat they 're different speakers and that it 's one big audio file instead of a bunch of little ones and just sorta things like that .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD G: Mm - hmm .PhD F: So what does the user see as the resultof the query ?Grad H: On which tool ?PhD F: THISL .Grad H: The THISL GUI tool which is the one that Dan wrote , Tcl - TKPhD F: Yeah .Grad H: um you type in a query and then you get back a list of hits and you cantype on them and listen to them . Click on them rather {comment} with a mouse .PhD F: Ah .Professor B: MmmPhD F: So if you typed in " small heads " or something you couldGrad H: Right , you 'd get{disfmarker}PhD F: get back a uh uh {comment} something that would let you click and listen to some audio where that phrase had occurredGrad H: something {disfmarker} You {disfmarker} you 'd get to listen to "beep " .PhD F: or someProfessor B: That was a really good look . It 's too bad that that couldn't {vocalsound} come into the {disfmarker}Grad H: You couldn't get a video .PhD G: Guess who I practice on ?Postdoc A: Atsome point we 're gonna have to say what that private joke is , that keeps coming up .Professor B: Yeah . And then again , maybe not . So , {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker} Yeah , that soun that sounds reasonable .Yeah , it loo it {disfmarker} my {disfmarker} my recollection of it is it 's {disfmarker} it 's a pretty reasonable uh demo sort of format .Grad H: Right .PhD F: Yeah that sounds good .Grad H: And so I think there 'd beminimal effort to get it to work , minimallyPhD F: That sounds really neat .Grad H: and then we 'd wanna add things like query by speaker and by meeting and all that sort of stuff . Um Dave Gelbart expressed someinterest in working on that so I 'll work with him on it . And it {disfmarker} it 's looking pretty good , you know , the fact that I got the query system working . So if we wanna just do a video - based one I think that 'llbe easy .Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad H: If we wanna get it to Windows it 's gonna be a little more work because the THISL IR , the information retrieval tool 's {disfmarker} um , I had difficulty just compiling them onSolaris .Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad H: So getting them to compile on Windows might be challenging .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD F: But you were saying that {disfmarker} that the uh {disfmarker} that there 'sthat set of tools , uh , Cygnus tools , that {disfmarker}Grad H: So . It certainly helps .PhD F: Uh - huh .Grad H: Um , I mean without those I wouldn't even attempt it .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD F: Yeah .Grad H: Butwhat those {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} what those do is provide sort of a BSD compatibility layer ,Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad H: so that the normal UNIX function calls all work .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD F:And you have to have all the oGrad H: Um , But the problem is that {disfmarker} that the THISL tools didn't use anything like Autoconf and so you have the normal porting problems of different header files and th somethings are defined and some things aren't and uh different compiler work - arounds and so on . So the fact that um it took me a day to get it c to compile under Solaris means it 's probably gonna take me s significantlymore than that to get it to compile under Windows .Professor B: How about having it run under free BSD ?PhD E: Well what you need {disfmarker}Grad H: Free BSD would probably be easier .PhD E: All you need to dois say to Dan " gee it would be nice if this worked under Autoconf " and it 'll be done in a day .Grad H: That 's true .PhD D: Uh {disfmarker}PhD E: Right ?Grad H: Actually you know I should check because he did port itto SPRACHcorePhD E: Right .Grad H: so he might have done that already .PhD E: I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I wouldn't be surprised .Professor B: So {disfmarker}Grad H: I 'll check at that {disfmarker}Professor B:But it would {disfmarker} what would serve {disfmarker} would serve both purposes , is if you contact him and ask him if he 's already done it .PhD E: What I {disfmarker}PhD F: How does it play ?Grad H: Yeah , right.Professor B: If he has then you learn , if he hasn't then he 'll do it .Grad H: Right .Postdoc A: Wow .PhD F: I hope he never listens to these meetings .Grad H: That 's right . So , and I 've been corresponding with Danand also with uh uh , SoftSound guy , uh {disfmarker}Postdoc A: It 's amazing .Professor B: Yeah .Grad H: Blanking on his name .Professor B: Tony Robinson ?PhD F: Tony Robinson ?Grad H: Do I mean Tony ? I guessI do .Professor B: Yeah .PhD E: James Christie .Grad H: Or S or Steve Renals .Professor B: Steve Renal - Steve Renals .Grad H: Which one do I mean ?PhD E: Steve Renals is not SoftSound , is he ?Professor B: No.Grad H: My brain is not working ,Professor B: OK .Grad H: I don't remember who I 've been corresponding with .PhD E: Steve wro i it 's Ste - Steve Renals wrote THISL IR .Grad H: Then it 's Steve Renals .Professor B:Oh , OK .PhD E: OK .Grad H: So uh just getting documentation and uh and f and formats ,Professor B: Yeah .Grad H: so that 's all going pretty well ,Professor B: Assuming we 're {disfmarker}PhD E: Right .PhD F: Whatabout issues of playing sound files @ @ between the two platforms ?Grad H: I think we 'll be OK with that . Um we have {disfmarker} Well , that 's a good point too .PhD E: Here 's a {disfmarker} here 's a crazy idea{pause} actually .Grad H: I don't know .PhD E: Why don't you try and merge {pause} Transcriber {pause} and THISL IR ? They 're both Tcl interfaces .Grad H: Well this is one of the reasons {disfmarker} This is the{disfmarker} one of the reasons that I 'm gonna have uh Dave Gelbart {disfmarker} Gelbart {disfmarker} Having him volunteer to work on it is a really good thing because he 's worked on the Transcriber stuffPhD E:Right .Grad H: and he 's more familiar with Tcl - TK than I am .PhD E: And then you get {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} then you get the Windows media playing for free .Grad H: Well that 's Snack , not {disfmarker}not Transcriber .PhD E: Right . But the point is that the Transcriber uses Snack and then you can {disfmarker} but you can use a {disfmarker} a lot of the same functionality and it 's {disfmarker}Grad H: Yeah , yeah ,I mean , I {disfmarker} I think THISL {disfmarker} THISL GUI probably uses Snack . And so my intention was just to base it on that .PhD E: Yeah . Well my thought was is that it would be nice {disfmarker} it would benice to have the running transcripts um eh you know , from speaker to speaker .Grad H: And if it doesn't {disfmarker}PhD E: Right ? Do you have {disfmarker} you have , you know , a speaker mark here and aspeaker mark here ?Grad H: Right , we 'll have to figure out a user interface for that , so .PhD E: Right . Well that {disfmarker} eh my thought was if you had like Multitrans or whatever do it . Or whatever .Grad H:Yeah . It might be fairly difficult to get that to work in {comment} the little short segments we 'd be talking about and having the search tools and so on . We {disfmarker} we can look into it ,PhD E: Yeah .Grad H: but{disfmarker}Professor B: The thing I was asking about with , um , free BSD is that it might be easier to get PowerPoint shows running in free BSD than to get this other package running in {disfmarker}Grad H: Yeah , Imean we have to {disfmarker} I have to sit down and try it before I make too many judgments ,Professor B: Yeah .Grad H: so uh Um My experience with the Gnu compatibility library is really it 's just as hard and justas easy to port to any system . Right ? The Windows system isn't any harder because it {disfmarker} it looks like a BSD system .Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad H: It 's just , you know , just like all of them , the " include" files are a little different and the function calls are a little different .Professor B: Right .Grad H: So I {disfmarker} it might be a little easier but it 's not gonna be a lot easier .Professor B: OK . So there was that demo ,which was one of the main ones , then we talked about um some other stuff which would basically be um showing off the {disfmarker} the Transcriber interface itself and as you say , maybe we could even merge thosein some sense , but {disfmarker} but um , uh {disfmarker} and part of that was showing off what the speech - non uh nonspeech {comment} stuff that Thilo has done {pause} s {pause} looks like .PhD D: Yeah.Postdoc A: Can I ask one more thing about THISL ? So with the IR stuff then you end up with a somewhat prioritized um {disfmarker} ?Grad H: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm ,Postdoc A: Excellent .Grad H: ranked .PostdocA: Excellent . Yeah .PhD G: So another idea I w t had just now actually for the demo was whether it might be of interest to sh to show some of the prosody uh {vocalsound} work that Don 's been doing .Professor B:Mm - hmm .PhD G: Um actually show some of the features and then show for instance a task like finding sentence boundaries or finding turn boundaries . Um , you know , you can show that graphically , sort of whatthe features are doing . It , you know , it doesn't work great but it 's definitely giving us something .Professor B: Well I think at {disfmarker} at the very least we 're gonna want something illustrative with thatPhD G: Idon't know if that would be of interest or not .Professor B: cuz I 'm gonna want to talk about it and so i if there 's something that shows it graphically it 's much better than me just having a bullet pointPhD G: Yeah.Professor B: pointing at something I don't know much about ,PhD G: I mean , you 're looking at this now {disfmarker}Professor B: so .PhD G: Are you looking at Waves or Matlab ?Grad C: Um yeah I 'm starting to andum {disfmarker} Yeah we can probably find some examples of different type of prosodic events going on .PhD G: Yeah defProfessor B: S so when we here were having this demo meeting , what we 're sort of coming upwith is that we wanna have all these pieces together , to first order , by the end of the monthPhD G: IProfessor B: and then that 'll give us a week or so .Grad C: Ooo . The end of {disfmarker}PhD G: Oh , the end of thismonth or next month ? Oh , you mean like today ?Grad H: This month .Professor B: JuPhD G: Oh .Professor B: June . June . June .PhD G: Next month .Grad H: Oh sorry , next month .Grad C: Yeah .PhD G: Sorry .GradH: Today isn't June first ,PhD F: There 's another one .Grad H: is it .Professor B: Uh {disfmarker} that 'll {disfmarker} that 'll give us {disfmarker} that 'll give us a week or so to uh {disfmarker} to port things over tomy laptop and make sure that works ,PhD E: Exactly .PhD G: Sorry .Professor B: yeah .PhD G: I think , I mean eh where {disfmarker}Grad C: Yeah , I mean I 'll be here .PhD G: Yeah if d if Don can sort of talk towhoever 's {disfmarker}Professor B: Yeah .PhD G: cuz we 're doing this anyway as part of our {disfmarker} you know , the research , visualizing what these features are doingProfessor B: Yeah .PhD G: and so either{disfmarker} it might not be integrated but it {disfmarker} it could potentially be in it .Professor B: Yeah . Well , this is to an audience of researchersPhD G: Could find some .Professor B: so I mean , you know , to let sthe goal is to let them know what it is we 're doing .PhD G: I mean it 's different .Professor B: So that 's {disfmarker}PhD G: I don't think anyone has done this on meeting data so it might be neat , you know .ProfessorB: Yeah . Good . Done with that . XML tools ?Grad H: Um . So I 've been doing a bunch of XML tools where you {disfmarker} we 're sort of moving to XML as the general format for everything and I think that 'sdefinitely the right way to go because there are a lot of tools that let you do extraction and reformatting of XML tools . Um . So yet again we should probably meet to talk about transcription formats in XML because I 'mnot particularly happy with what we have now . I mean it works with Transcriber but it {disfmarker} it 's a pain to use it in other tools uh because it doesn't mark start and end .PhD F: Start and end of each{disfmarker} ?PhD D: Yeah .Grad H: Uh {disfmarker} Utterance .PhD F: Utterance . Just marks {disfmarker} ?Grad H: So it 's implicit in {disfmarker} in therePhD F: Yeah .Grad H: but you have to do a lot ofprocessing to get it .PhD F: Right . Right .Grad H: And so {disfmarker} and also I 'd like to do the indirect time line business . Um but regardless , I mean , w that 's something that you , me , and Jane can talk aboutlater . Um , but I 've installed XML tools of various sorts in various languages and so if people are interested in doing {disfmarker} extracting any information from any of these files , either uh information on usersbecause the user database is that way {disfmarker} I 'm converting the Key files to XML so that you can extract m uh various inf uh sorted information on individual meetingsGrad C: Cool .PhD D: Yeah .Grad H: andthen also the transcripts . And so l just let me know there {disfmarker} it 's mostly Java and Perl but we can get other languages too if {disfmarker} if that 's desirable .PhD G: Oh , quick question on that . Is{disfmarker} do we have the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the seat information ? In {disfmarker} in the Key files now ?Postdoc A: Mm - hmm .Grad H: The seat information is on the Key files for the ones whichPostdocA: Ah .PhD G: Oh in {disfmarker} For the new oneGrad H: it 's been recorded ,PhD G: OK .Grad H: yeah .Professor B: Seat ?PhD G: Great . Sea - yeah .Grad H: Where {disfmarker} where you 're sitting .Professor B:Oh ! Not {disfmarker} not the quality or anything . No .PhD D: nGrad H: Right .Professor B: OK . I see .Grad H: " It 's pretty soft and squishy . "Professor B: Yeah . Yeah .PhD G: Alright .Professor B: OK .PhD G: OK.Grad H: Oh , but that might just be me . Um .PhD G: Alright .Professor B: That 's more seat information than we wanted .PhD G: Never mind .PhD E: Hmm .PhD G: I 'm just trying to figure out , you know , whenMorgan 's voice appears on someone 's microphone are they next to him or are they across from him ?Professor B: Yeah .Grad H: Maybe we should bleep that out .Professor B: Mmm , yeah .PhD F: Wait a minute