Project Manager: Okay . Uh door is closed . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well , let's begin . Because if we have as much time as the last uh meeting , we'll have to hurry up.Marketing: I'm listening .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Right .Project Manager: Um well I'll start with the presentation again , the agenda .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Great .ProjectManager: Yo . So . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} This one I think .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh yeah . Well alright . Um well , I'll show you the notes . It's notas uh interesting as it should be because we just uh had the meeting ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: but I'll show them . We'll get your presentations again on the conceptual design . Um {disfmarker} Thenwe'll have to dec decide about the control , the remote control concepts . I've put a f uh a file in the project management folder , which says exactly uh what kind of decisions we should take .Industrial Designer:Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So {vocalsound} this time we exactly know what to decide about .Marketing: {vocalsound} Alright , great .Project Manager: And then we'll close again .Industrial Designer: Alright .ProjectManager: Uh {disfmarker} Well these are some examples , but we'll talk about them later . We'll {vocalsound} first look at your uh presentations . Alright ?Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Walter willuh start again this time ?Marketing: Yeah , great .Project Manager: Yo .Marketing: Alright , Trendwatch .Project Manager: 'Kay .Marketing: {gap}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Right . I will speak about uhlatest trends trends , latest fashion updates , and uh things we must not do .Project Manager: 'Kay .Marketing: Uh the trends . {vocalsound} It's very important that uh the control is fancy looking and good uh feeling .Uh this because of our last model was very functional , but {vocalsound} it uh people didn't like that , so our new mo model must be very good-looking . That's uh something you uh have to take a look at .IndustrialDesigner: Mm-hmm . Alright .Marketing: And uh the feeling has to be very great . Also the menus and things like that they have to they have to feel great .Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: Um there's a minus uhtwo times here , because this is the most important point . This is uh two times as less important ,Project Manager: Less . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: and uh same for this one .{vocalsound} Um , technological technological innovations , that's uh regarded very highly too .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Uh such as an uh L_C_D_ screen , uh speech uh acknowledgement , as we uhtalked about earlier .Project Manager: Well , yeah .Marketing: So we have to have uh something like that , like we uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: L_C_D_ and our uh our fronts .Marketing: Right . {vocalsound} Uhthe last point is easy to use . Well I think that uh speaks for s for itself . I don't know who's uh who's going to look at that .Industrial Designer: Easy to use ?Project Manager: Well , easy to use uh s is a bit uhcontradictionary with the first uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah ?Industrial Designer: I think that's your taUser Interface: {gap}Project Manager: Functional is not an issue , and then easy to use .Marketing: Yeah , Iknow .Project Manager: Well we have to choose one of them . {vocalsound}Marketing: I think we have to go for the first one .Project Manager: Yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: It's the mostimportant one . So {gap} we have to uh take that one .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: So it it {vocalsound} it isn't very important that {vocalsound} that it works easy .User Interface: Well something fancy lookingcan be can be easy to use .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} But {vocalsound} it has to look great .Project Manager: Yeah . We'll we'll look at uh {gap} .Industrial Designer: You {disfmarker}Yeah . Yeah , yeah ,Marketing: We'll see . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: you can make a very complicated uh uh remote anyway , so ease of use {disfmarker} {vocalsound} It's not a very comp complicated device.Marketing: Yeah , right . But the most important thing is that it looks great and people say {gap} wow , that's real great uh great concept .Project Manager: 'Kay .Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: Alright . Uhthese are the new colours of this year .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: So it must be very bright , very colourful .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: People like this .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: So we we have to think uh in this direction .Project Manager: So {disfmarker}Marketing:So i set your mind to it .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well {disfmarker}Marketing: Findings ? Fashion update ? Fruit and vegetables are cool .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Uh you think?Marketing: I am told . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: The group we are targeting is uh very pleased with fruit and vegetables .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: So {vocalsound} we we we might cons consider in front of uh in in that sort of uh way .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah , well {disfmarker}User Interface: Bananas.Marketing: Uh furthermore uh material , that's your part , should be very strong . I was thinking of something like uh {vocalsound} well uh iron plate over it ,Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: maybe in a colour orsomething ,Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: that looks so f really flashy but it it is also strong .Industrial Designer: {gap}Project Manager: BMarketing: And that's uh also for the younger public .Project Manager: Wellthe the handy thing about our fronts is that we can follow these trends e ev every year . Th this year it's fruits but next year it's it's something totally different .Marketing: Yeah , that's great .User Interface: Yeah.Marketing: But I think we can all make the the fronts of titanium or something uh really thin .Project Manager: Yes .Marketing: So it looks very heavy but you can still uh use it very easily .Project Manager: Yep , alright.Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: Well , the don'ts . Older people like dark colours and simple shapes . Well we don't want uh older people ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: we want young people .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} {gap}Marketing: So uh we're gonna turn that around .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: We're gonna have real uh cool shapes and lots of colours . Right?Project Manager: Wood is popular . Aha .Marketing: Okay . We don't want wood .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah yeah yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah , among the old people , yeah .Marketing: Old people . So ,that's it for me .Project Manager: Alright . Nice , uh well {gap} show us .Industrial Designer: Right , I am going to tell you something about the components design . Uh again I have uh put up the specificationproperties . This uh so um uh the different uh components of the of of the device . And the materials ? Um I have heard several things , so I uh I'll have to change that on the way . But uh the case ? Uh I suggested uhin the previous meeting hard plastic . But uh as you indicated uh it should be strong .Marketing: Yeah , we should change that .Industrial Designer: It should feel strong . So maybe plastic is not uh sufficient .ProjectManager: Well maybe it it it is ,Industrial Designer: We should move to uh something {disfmarker}Project Manager: but it doesn't look strong . So maybe {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Well yeah . Y Hard plastic i isof course uh pretty pretty tough , but it doesn't have a really really tough look . So {disfmarker}Marketing: No no no .Project Manager: But we still have to look at our price of course . Because uh if we want an L_C_D_uh window etcetera uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah . Also {disfmarker} Yeah . Mm-hmm . But we'll return to that .Project Manager: Yeah ?Industrial Designer: Uh the buttons of course rubber , I thinkeveryone agrees . And electrical cables , copper is all pretty basic stuff . The chips made of silicon , I guess . I think that's the best uh way to do it .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And infra infrared lLED is uh just a simple bulb .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Then I've uh {vocalsound} had a few findings , made a few findings . Uh the target audience product style . Um it's uh um generally the casethat uh senior and wealthy people above uh forty five years old uh like , as you said , uh particularly the traditional materials as such as wood and materials such as that . They also like straightforward shapes andluxurious style . But of course that's not our uh things this . So this is things we must not do .Project Manager: Yes .Industrial Designer: And then we have uh young uh and dynamic uh people , which is of course our uhgroup , the people we aim at . Um under forty five years old . Uh they like soft materials uh with primary colours . Soft materials is of course uh agai again a bit a contradiction with uh our uh material choice of what yousaid , that uh it should be hard an and and and and strong looking .Marketing: Mm . Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: But they like soft materials , uh so we might uh we have to consider that . And alsothey like curved round shapes . So not uh too formal like like uh the older people want . And if uh also a finding but not very ap applicable here , that sports and gaming devices such as uh discmans for jogging and thatthose kind of devices , gaming devices , should define the characteristics of the device . But uh since we don't have a really a sports or gaming device , so we don't really have to consider that .Project Manager: Sportsuh , they're uh that uh are accessible on on your L_C_D_ uh window uhUser Interface: Soccer fronts . {vocalsound} Mm .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {disfmarker} Huh ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:Mm .Project Manager: That's nice . {vocalsound}User Interface: Hmm .Project Manager: All the {gap} results ?Industrial Designer: Well I also have um several examples of uh styles ,Marketing: We keep coming backto the fronts . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: so you can get a clear picture of uh what I mean .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Uh{vocalsound} these are the basic uh older older peoples' stuff .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer: It was not very uh interesting uh , very classicallooking ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Nai . Uh no .Industrial Designer: but that's n that's not what we want .User Interface: Hmm .Industrial Designer: We have these kind of things . I don't know whatexactly they are .Marketing: {vocalsound} Fruity . {vocalsound} Fruity .Industrial Designer: It looks like {disfmarker} Well you know uh you recognise the shapes ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:it's very primary colours , uh bright colours and uh round shapes .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: You also uh {vocalsound} see uh this device , it's not very round and {disfmarker} Fruity of course .Yeah , it uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: It's t terrible .Industrial Designer: That's true .Project Manager: Alright .Industrial Designer: And uh well round shapes , primary colours .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: You can see it all here . And of course uh this famous device .Project Manager: Hmm ?Industrial Designer: I think as you know something uh some devices like this .Project Manager:Yeah , alright .Industrial Designer: So to give you an idea of uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Well it's got a strong look , this . Yeah .Industrial Designer: This has a strong look . Although it's plastic , it's it's grey to to to giveit iron look .Marketing: Yeah , it still has a strong look .Project Manager: Yeah . And it's round .Industrial Designer: That's uh {disfmarker}Marketing: But then you are losing your fruity colours .Industrial Designer:Yeah . Well we have to make a {disfmarker}Project Manager: Well you can make th th th that middle ring can you you can make another colour . So uh those kind of things you can you can combine .Marketing: That'strue .Industrial Designer: Well we can't really make a round uh a round remote control . I don't think that's very practical ,Project Manager: No , it isn't .Industrial Designer: but {disfmarker} But uh it's important to touh to think about the colour .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Because if we make it grey or or silvery looking , it it does make it a lot more uh does make it looking a lot more stronger .Project Manager: Yes.Industrial Designer: 'Cause if you look at this , it it doesn't look very very strong ,Marketing: Yeah but the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: becau But this is plastic , and and this too , but {disfmarker}Marketing: But itdoesn't have to look strong . The the results are , the feel of the material is expected to be strongy .Industrial Designer: The feel ? Uh alright .Marketing: The feel .Project Manager: So , if you tiIndustrial Designer: Well{disfmarker}User Interface: And it it doesn't have to be strong , also .Project Manager: Well {disfmarker}Marketing: Nah yeah the feel {disfmarker}Project Manager: You you {disfmarker} Maybe you should have uhsome some coloured titanium or something .User Interface: {vocalsound} Only the feel . {vocalsound}Project Manager: So it it looks pretty but it feels strong .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:Mm-hmm .Marketing: Right .User Interface: Oh .Industrial Designer: And I {disfmarker} Then I have some more findings . Um {vocalsound} uh about the energy energy source of the of the device ,Marketing: I agree.Industrial Designer: uh I uh suggest uh the basic battery . I uh got some other um uh uh energy sources of course . But solar energy is not very practical inside a house , because you don't have a have a lot of uh sun.Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And uh kinetic and and and dynamos are are not very practical , I think , for uh for a simple remote ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: that's a bit , oh , that's abit uh {disfmarker} That's a bit uh much .Project Manager: {vocalsound} {gap} No titanium . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And I also suggest uh as a shape uh a double curved case.Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh the disadvantage of that that you can use no titanium . That that's the information I received . If you use the curved case , uh a curved case , double curved thenyou can't use titanium .Project Manager: What do you exactly mean with double curved ?Industrial Designer: Now uh this uh to give it a more modern look .User Interface: {gap}Industrial Designer: And uh{vocalsound} now the the shape , yeah , {gap} a curved case . Um yeah I think uh sort of triangle-shaped bottom or something . Uh {gap} a more modern look not plain , long box style , but {disfmarker}Marketing:{vocalsound} I dunno .Project Manager: Double curved ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I'll draw it ,Project Manager: It it mean {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah . Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah , wellokay . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: but maybe later .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} And it makes uh it gives it a more u user friendly shape , than if you have uh {gap} . Um anyway{disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Um f as uh for the buttons , simple push buttons . No uh otherwi uh no um difficult scroll things or some uh things like that ,because it makes more complex and expensive . And , uh as we agreed , we don't use a speaker or a sensor or um {vocalsound} uh speak uh speech uh controlled {vocalsound} device .Marketing: Yeah right .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Because it makes it also more complex and expensive . But we do use an L_C_D_ screen , so we uh we do have to consider uh of we have to use a more advanced chip ,which is more complex and expensive . But {disfmarker} It's worth the trouble I think ,Project Manager: Well {disfmarker}User Interface: The buttons can be made of an uh a soft material .Industrial Designer: because{disfmarker}User Interface: Because people like that .Project Manager: This soft material thing from uh {disfmarker} Yeah .Industrial Designer: Uh rubber is a soft material , I guess .User Interface: Yeah . Right . Yeah.Industrial Designer: Uh soft enough .Marketing: Yeah . Right .Industrial Designer: So that's uh basically what I want to talk about .Project Manager: Alright . Okay . We will take that . And then uh Mike ? Okay .UserInterface: Yeah . Well um nah the method um we will um include the buttons as we discussed uh earlier . Um an L_C_D_ s screen will be implemented . Um we must decide where , this meeting .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Um there are new developments in speech recognition um systems , {vocalsound} um and they are already being uh used on uh coffee machines . And um wellthey're cheap , so we could use them now .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh {disfmarker} That's interesting .User Interface: Um it's not really speech recognition , it's more um like you can um talk to the chip , uhrecord the message and record an answer , and then once you uh talk to the remote , then um he will a answer with the the prerecorded message that you left . So if I say hi Mike , and you have recorded uh hi Mikeback , then you will get that .Industrial Designer: Oh , yeah , I understand . Yeah .Marketing: Oh okay . {gap}Project Manager: Okay . But you can also say that , when you say something , it does some function.Marketing: Right .User Interface: No it doesn't does not do anything .Marketing: No .Project Manager: Oh . That's a bit uh {disfmarker}User Interface: But i it's just a {disfmarker}Marketing: But that that makes itcheap .Project Manager: Yes . I understand .User Interface: Yeah it's it's cheap .Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound}Marketing: It's {vocalsound} it's just a an extra function ,Project Manager: But {vocalsound} ithas no functionality for our remote at all .Marketing: and it's cheap .User Interface: NoMarketing: No but {vocalsound} {disfmarker}User Interface: but that's the gadget they want , or the gimmicks .Marketing: Yeah ,right . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: But it it's n nice for young people .Marketing: Young people love them .User Interface: Yes , we we should really uh include that one , I think . Um {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: They like gadgets . Yeah .Marketing: Yeah , ple Right .Project Manager: Hmm .Industrial Designer: If it's cheap . Yeah .User Interface: Well , as I said uh earlier I think the uh L_C_D_ screen should be uhpositioned at the lower end of the remote .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Um the buttons for screen width and general settings and {gap} uh and that kind of stuff {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: um we can also do let that kind of functions um be shown in the L_C_D_ screen , uh instead of uh extra buttons .Project Manager: So you put a menu in the L_C_D_ ?User Interface: I thinkyoung people and yeah w well every user would like that . Um the buttons um should be positioned uh positioned the same way as they are on a , well , conventional remote , I think . For the learnability and uh well tokeep it recognisable . A voice recognition can be uh implemented . And uh I drew an example ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: but it did not work quite the well uh the way I wanted it to do .Marketing:{vocalsound} Alright .Industrial Designer: Can you draw it now of uh {disfmarker}Marketing: How {disfmarker} How {disfmarker}Project Manager: Ah .User Interface: Hmm ? Well I have the {disfmarker} I can drawit again ,Industrial Designer: Can you draw it now ?User Interface: and I know what I did wrong . I didn't tick the note bo box in the {gap} . Um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Mm . Alright .Marketing: How do you uhuh give input to the menu on the L_C_D_ screen ?User Interface: {vocalsound} Um with the uh the up and down and and well buttons and the {disfmarker}Marketing: Alright . So you have a menu button , and thenyou can go up and down .Project Manager: But then we should also have an uh an Okay button .User Interface: Well I will draw what I had drawn on the screen . Yes .Marketing: Yeah right .User Interface:{vocalsound} Um I shall draw this . If it uh works .Industrial Designer: {gap} button , yeah .Project Manager: Just uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} There is already a blank . Yes ? So {disfmarker} Yeah .Marketing: Yeah


Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh welcome back after lunch , I hope uh you had a good lunch together . For uh this meeting the main agenda okay uh to discuss about the conceptual design meeting . Okay and theagenda will be the opening and uh {disfmarker} that's uh {disfmarker} the product manager or secretary that's me and uh the presentations from the Christine and uh Agnes and from Mister Ed . And finally in thismeeting we have to decideMarketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: and we are to take a decision on the remote control concept and uh the functional design So we have forty minutes , I think it's uh little bit uh low ,but I I hope we can finish it up {vocalsound} so I'll handle to the the functional team , to the Christine , okay , to discuss about uh the components concept .Industrial Designer: Okay . So uh , if you could open thePowerPoint presentation .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'm number two .Project Manager: You're number two . 'KayIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound} Components design , there we go .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So uh can we put it in slide show mode ? Yeah .Project Manager: The next one .Industrial Designer: Right here , is that little {disfmarker} that one , yes please .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Thank you .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'll take the mouse . {vocalsound} So uhProject Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: we were looking hespecifically at the components uh {disfmarker} the following components , uh the case , the power supply , uh the means of communications with the television set . In instance we had talked about using some sort ofspeech recognition ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: you have to have microphone {disfmarker} well no you don't actually I haven't {disfmarker} have to have microphone in the device , but ummaybe you do have it a a way {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: it has to it has to hear the speakerUser Interface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: and um , so it could be in the television set ,could be in the device , but somewhere you have to put the microphone , um and a w a way of making beeps or sounds so you can find it when it's gets lost . Um so the other w thing that we {disfmarker} So . Ourmethod for going about this is we've looked at uh the histo hi historical record , what's worked , what hasn't and then we also um {disfmarker} we wanted to evaluate some new materialsMarketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and we contacted manufacturing for their input because , course , we m might {vocalsound} come up and choose the material that then manufacturing didn't have the technologies orcapabilities to offer us , so uh this is the approach that we took during our um {disfmarker} our research .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So um for the case , um we told we were making a specificaspecific assumption that it would be curved in design .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Course , you know , I wanted it to be expandable and shrinkable , but um that uh doesn'tseem to b be one of the choic non-option we can uh {disfmarker} we can really seriously explore ,User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} so then we were thinking about umrubber , but um unfortunately that's been eliminated because of the heat uh factorUser Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and th um there might be some {vocalsound} problems with the m uh how it's{disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh goes with the board . {vocalsound} Uh and uh then th plastic also has this problem of melting and it's brittle {disfmarker} it gets brittle after a while ,User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: so um we still had titanium and and wood available , but um unfortunately uh uh titanium's also been eliminated uh ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: the m people inmanufacturing said that you couldn't make d curved cases out of titanium , although how {vocalsound} Apple did it with th PowerBook I'm not su quite sure but uh nevertheless um they've eliminated all of our optionsexcept wood .User Interface: {vocalsound} At least it's environmentally friendly . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} So , {vocalsound} this is our finding .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Anda as she said , it's an environmentally friendly uh material , so we're {disfmarker} we're {vocalsound} currently uh proposing ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: uh we'll get to all my personal preferences injust a second .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So then there's this other matter of the chips and um well we could use a simple design on the board ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {disfmarker} uh these simple chips , but that's only works for the bu you don't get very much um intelligence with this simple one . And um then there was the regular which{vocalsound} I regret that I've forgotten exactly why I'm eliminating that one . Uh the other option was this advanced chip on print , {vocalsound} and uh we liked th we we found that it it includes this infrared sender,Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: which w 'member the beam was {disfmarker} that was an important component of finding the right chip .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And uhmanufacturing has told us that they've um uh recently developed a uh a sensor and a speaker that would uh be integrated into this advanced chip on print , so uh we we uh now jumping right to our personalpreferences um I I'd really think we should , you know , use some of uh some really exotic woods , like um ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: you know uh , well you guys come from tropical countries soyou can kinda think of some trees and some nice woods . I think that people will might really want to design their own cases , you see , they could do sort of a {disfmarker} this um three-dimensional design on theinternet , and then they could submit their orders , kinda like you submit a custom car order , you know , and you can choose the colour and the size of the wheels and the colours of the leather and things like that , andthen I uh think we should go with the solar cells as well as the um microphone and speaker on the advanced chip . So this is the findings of our researchMarketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and myrecommendations um for the new remote control w um would be to have um have it be made out of wood . Do you have any problems with that ?Project Manager: {vocalsound} Can you go back uh one slide ?IndustrialDesigner: I'm not sure , how do I {disfmarker} Oh , I know , let's see .User Interface: Thank you . Yeah .Industrial Designer: Let's go back up here .Project Manager: Yes , uh {gap} question , uh , what's mean exactly, advanced chip on print ? What's the meaning of that ?Industrial Designer: I think it's um um a multiple uh chip design um {vocalsound} and it's uh maybe printed on to the circuit board .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh I could find out more about that uh before the next fi next meeting .Project Manager: Yeah , is it means it's on the{disfmarker} yeah is it on a micro-proc micro-processor based or uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I don't know , but I'll find out more at our next meeting .Project Manager: Okay , tha that would begreat , so if you find out from the technology background , okay , so that would be good .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Sounds good .User Interface: Why was the plastic eliminated as a possible material?Industrial Designer: Because um it gets brittle , cracks {disfmarker}User Interface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Um We want {disfmarker} we expect these um {vocalsound} uh these remote controls to be aroundfor several hundred years . So . {vocalsound} Good ex {vocalsound} {gap} Good expression . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} WhicMarketing: Wow ,User Interface: {vocalsound} Which{disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} good expression . Well after us . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I don't know , speak for yourself , I'm planning to be around for a while .{vocalsound}User Interface: Although I think {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: I think with wood though you'd run into the same types of problems , wouldn't you , I mean it chips , itif you drop it ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: uh it's {disfmarker} I'm not su {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: So {gap} soyou're not convinced about the the wood , yes .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {gap} you're what ?Marketing: Actually , I'm ready to sell it .User Interface: I think {vocalsound} if you reif you use really good quality wood , then it might work ,Marketing: I'm ready to sell it .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} You think ? {vocalsound} And you could {disfmarker} you could sell oils with it , to take care ofit .User Interface: but you can't just use {disfmarker}Marketing: No y {vocalsound} no no no , the o the only w the only wood you can use are the ones that are hard , extremely hard wood ,User Interface: Yeah ,exactly , yeah .Marketing: but there are some very pretty woods out there {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Well I'm glad you {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: That's actually veryinnovative idea .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay , good .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Sorr having a hard time keeping wi control over my face . {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Well , it's actually a very innovative n different idea that uh you know you can choose your colour of wood , your type of wood .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm.User Interface: The stain .Marketing: {vocalsound} I mean it's {disfmarker} each person is gonna have their own personalised , individualised speech recognition remote control in wood , that's not on the market.Industrial Designer: Mm .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah , so it it's looks good the the design the functional design uh , what about yo you ?Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Um , in terms of comments on this or in terms of my own {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yes , in t yes , in term in terms of comments first {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} In turns of wow . {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: She works in the cubicle next to me so she's uh she was already a little bit prepared for this {vocalsound} .User Interface: Y yeah .Marketing:{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Luckily Ed was not . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Wood ? {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} I think we can get the quality materialsthen {vocalsound} it shouldn't influence the design principles too much , which you'll see with my presentation .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: One thing we'd have to check though is what theusers {disfmarker} whether {disfmarker} how quickly the novelty wears off of having uh {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Mm-hmm . Yeah , you wouldn't wanna have to have splinters in your hand whileyou're using your {disfmarker}User Interface: {disfmarker} Yeah , for example . {vocalsound} So , have to see how kid-friendly it is and and all that ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} It'sreally good if your dog gets ahold of it , they can use it {vocalsound} {gap} for teething .User Interface: but {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: They do thatanyway with the rubber and plastic ,Industrial Designer: Yeah , they do it with other materials as well , yeah .Marketing: so {vocalsound} , and chew 'em up . And chew 'em up .Project Manager: Okay then , uh , let'smove to Agnes .User Interface: Sure .Industrial Designer: Oh , I'm sorry .Project Manager: S you're {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: You are in participant three .User Interface: One pointthree , yeahMarketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Uh , yeah .Project Manager: This one ?User Interface: I think so , yeah . Yeah , that's the one . So , it's a very short presentation , 'cause I'm actually gonna drawyou the layout on the board so if you want to just go straight to the second slide , um , which basically shows , sort of {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: I took the ideas that we were talking aboutlast time um and tried to put that into the remote control so the things that y you can actually see on it are the on off switch , volume and channel control , the menu access button , ergonomic shape , which Icompletely agree with Christine's idea to have it sort of molded , so it's slightly more ergonomic and comfortable to hold than the r standard very straight remote controls . And actually the other thing with the wood ifwe take your customising idea , is that people can actually do sort of quasi-measurements on their hand size , so if someone has larger hands , you have a wider remote control .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Right, my hand is uh different size than yours for example .User Interface: {vocalsound} So , that's actually a really good idea for customi customisability . Um , one thing I thought might be kind of interesting is to put a flipscreen on it , just like you have on flip phones ,Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: so that you don't have this case where someone sits on the remote control or accidentally puts their hand on it , especially if youhave little kids around , they're not pressing the buttons while you're trying to watch a T_V_ show and accidentally change the channel or turn it off .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: And also{vocalsound} um you had issues with the batteries running out ,Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: so I thought maybe we could put a little battery life-light on it that kind of goes dimmer and dimmer and dimmeras your battery is {disfmarker} starts to die . And in terms of invisible features , audio and um tactile feedback on button presses and , like you said , speech recognition .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface:So , in terms of what this thing would actually look like {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Despite working in interface design , I'm not the greatest artist in the world , so you'll have to forgive me .{vocalsound} {vocalsound} You'd have something like this with an on-off switch fairly big , sort of in the corner and by itself , so you don't accidentally turn your T_V_ off while you're trying to manoeuvre other buttons. And then you have sort of one of those toggle displays for , oops , channels and volume , sort of for surfing channels and then volume , so the volume would be the up and down , 'cause volume goes up and down andthen channels left to right . And then here you'd have your sort of standard , telephonish number pad . {vocalsound} And then on one side you would have an access to the menu on your T_V_Project Manager:{vocalsound}User Interface: and on the other side a way to turn off the voice control . So that if the user doesn't want to use their voice , they can just turn it off and you don't have the remote control accidentallychanging things on you .Industrial Designer: Mm . Mm-hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound} Um , so again you can have a little L_C_D_ light somewhere , the flip {vocalsound} thing and {disfmarker} Have I forgottenanything ? I don't think so . So , as you can see , it's a very very simple design ,Marketing: No . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: which is one of the things I really wanted to keep , is keep itsimple , not have too many buttons , not have too many functionalities thrown into it . Think the design can pretty much carry over to everything , although with the wood the flip screen might have to do somethingslightly different .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: A hinge . Be like a copper hinge or you know .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah . But you also have to d start watching out for theweight , 'cause depending on how much the the flip screen will add to the weight of the remote control , you don't want it to start getting too heavy .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm . Mm .User Interface: But that's thegeneral layout with the general functionalities , if we come up with something else . As you can see , there's still lots of space on the actual remote control and if you do it customisably , {vocalsound} you can make thisthing fairly small or fairly o large , depending on personal preferences .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm , mm-hmm . {vocalsound}Marketing: Hmm .User Interface: So , that's pretty much {vocalsound} all I had to say , Imean , everything else in terms of design issues . Um the centering of the key pad and {vocalsound} the channel is just depending on where your thumb is and you tend to use the the volume control and uh thebrowsing more than the actual number pad , so that would be sort of in direct line of where your thumb goes when you are holding the remote control ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .User Interface: thenumber pad a little bit lower 'cause it's used less frequently .Industrial Designer: Mm . Mm-hmm .User Interface: So once we decide exactly what we want , then we can figure out the exact positioning , but more or lessI think it should go along those lines .Project Manager: {vocalsound} So what's your , uh , the comments or uh sMarketing: Simple design . It's what consumers want .Project Manager: OkayMarketing: It's almost like ,Houston , we have a product here . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: Problem is obviously gonna be cost .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Okay, I also have a f {vocalsound} very simple presentation ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: because for the marketing point you have to see what the consumers want .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah.Marketing: {vocalsound} I also have uh copied a different type of remote . If you can find me , where I'm at . {vocalsound} There should only be one in here . {gap} trend watch .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Sure .Marketing: It's being modified .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} They're stealing our product . {vocalsound} We've been giving simple {vocalsound} questionnaires in different areas becauseth {gap} obviously we have to see what the com consumers are looking for today , 'cause uh trends change very very quickly . In six months maybe this idea is already gone out the window , so it's gonna be a questionhow fast we can act . Uh they already erased the rest of mine , huh .Industrial Designer: No ,User Interface: No , no .Industrial Designer: f go to findings .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: No no , no no .{vocalsound} 'Cause I had another comment there . Uh the market trend . This is what we know from the last uh {disfmarker} from the {vocalsound} questionnaires from the the {disfmarker} all the p surveys we'vedone , fancy and feel-good , that's what we've been looking for , something that feels good in the hand , that's easy to use . Looking for next generation of innovation , because all the remotes out there now , they're allvery similar , they all do the same thing ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: we have to have something completely different . Okay ? Easy to use , has always has become{disfmarker} has become another major interest that uh , with the whiteboard we can see that it's a remote that's easy to use . And I think this is another thing that's interesting is the consumers actually willing to paythe price for exciting tel technology . So even if we have a product that may be more expensive , if it comes out right , if they {gap} look {disfmarker} it looks and feels good and has technology . The second two , youcan see the last one is a very easy simple design . {vocalsound} The second one , there is about uh forty-five thousand different buttons on it , which makes it fairly hard to read , uh very hard to use .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: The first one , I see {vocalsound} that they put in a display . Now there's something else uh with the little flip-up , now we're adding all kinds of things in,User Interface: Mm-hmm .Marketing: but with the little flip-up , if you have a little display on the flip-up that when you close it everything is locked .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Maybe the display also makes it


PhD A: Alright . We 're on .Professor B: Test , um . Test , test , test . Guess that 's me . Yeah . OK .Grad D: Ooh , Thursday .Professor B: So . There 's two sheets of paper in front of us .PhD A: What are these ?PhD E:Yeah . So .Professor B: This is the arm wrestling ?PhD C: Uh . Yeah , we formed a coalition actually .PhD E: Yeah . Almost .PhD C: We already made it into one .Professor B: Oh , good .PhD C: Yeah .Professor B:Excellent .PhD E: Yeah .Professor B: That 's the best thing .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: So , tell me about it .PhD E: So it 's {disfmarker} well , it 's {pause} spectral subtraction or Wiener filtering , um , dependingon if we put {disfmarker} if we square the transfer function or not .Professor B: Right .PhD E: And then with over - estimation of the noise , depending on the , uh {disfmarker} the SNR , with smoothing along time , um, smoothing along frequency .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD E: It 's very simple , smoothing things .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD E: And , um , {vocalsound} the best result is {vocalsound} when we apply this procedureon FFT bins , uh , with a Wiener filter .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD E: And there is no noise addition after {disfmarker} after that .Professor B: OK .PhD E: So it 's good because {vocalsound} {vocalsound} it 's difficultwhen we have to add noise to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to find the right level .Professor B: OK .PhD A: Are you looking at one in {disfmarker} in particular of these two ?PhD E: Yeah . So the sh it 's the sheet thatgives fifty - f three point sixty - six .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD E: Um , {vocalsound} the second sheet is abo uh , about the same . It 's the same , um , idea but it 's working on mel bands , {vocalsound} and it 's aspectral subtraction instead of Wiener filter , and there is also a noise addition after , uh , cleaning up the mel bins . Mmm . Well , the results are similar .Professor B: Yeah . I mean , {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker}{comment} it 's actually , uh , very similar .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: I mean , {vocalsound} if you look at databases , uh , the , uh , one that has the smallest {disfmarker} smaller overall number is actuallybetter on the Finnish and Spanish , uh , but it is , uh , worse on the , uh , Aurora {disfmarker}PhD E: It 's worse on {disfmarker}Professor B: I mean on the , uh , TI - TI - digits ,PhD E: on the multi - condition in TI -digits . Yeah .Professor B: uh , uh . Um .PhD E: Mmm .Professor B: So , it probably doesn't matter that much either way . But , um , when you say u uh , unified do you mean , uh , it 's one piece of software now , or{disfmarker} ?PhD E: So now we are , yeah , setting up the software .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD E: Um , it should be ready , uh , very soon . Um , and wePhD A: So what 's {disfmarker} what 's happened ? I think I've missed something .Professor B: OK . So a week ago {disfmarker} maybe you weren't around when {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when Hynek and Guenther and I {disfmarker} ?PhD C: Hynek was here .PhD A:Yeah . I didn't .Professor B: Oh , OK . So {disfmarker} Yeah , let 's summarize . Um {disfmarker} And then if I summarize somebody can tell me if I 'm wrong , which will also be possibly helpful . What did I just presshere ? I hope this is still working .PhD E: p - p - pProfessor B: We , uh {disfmarker} we looked at , {nonvocalsound} uh {disfmarker} anyway we {disfmarker} {vocalsound} after coming back from QualComm we had ,you know , very strong feedback and , uh , I think it was {vocalsound} Hynek and Guenter 's and my opinion also that , um , you know , we sort of spread out to look at a number of different ways of doing noisesuppression . But given the limited time , uh , it was sort of time to {pause} choose one .PhD A: Mm - hmm . Mmm .Professor B: Uh , and so , uh , th the vector Taylor series hadn't really worked out that much . Uh ,the subspace stuff , uh , had not been worked with so much . Um , so it sort of came down to spectral subtraction versus Wiener filtering .PhD A: Hmm .Professor B: Uh , we had a long discussion about how they werethe same and how they were d uh , completely different .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: And , uh , I mean , fundamentally they 're the same sort of thing but the math is a little different so that there 's a {disfmarker}a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} there 's an exponent difference in the index {disfmarker} you know , what 's the ideal filtering , and depending on how you construct the problem .PhD A: Uh - huh .Professor B: And , uh ,I guess it 's sort {disfmarker} you know , after {disfmarker} after that meeting it sort of made more sense to me because {vocalsound} um , if you 're dealing with power spectra then how are you gonna choose yourerror ? And typically you 'll do {disfmarker} choose something like a variance . And so that means it 'll be something like the square of the power spectra . Whereas when you 're {disfmarker} when you 're doing the{disfmarker} the , uh , um , {vocalsound} looking at it the other way , you 're gonna be dealing with signalsPhD C: Mm - hmm .Professor B: and you 're gonna end up looking at power {disfmarker} uh , noise powerthat you 're trying to reduce . And so , eh {disfmarker} so there should be a difference {vocalsound} of {disfmarker} you know , conceptually of {disfmarker} of , uh , a factor of two in the exponent .PhD A: Mm - hmm.Professor B: But there 're so many different little factors that you adjust in terms of {disfmarker} of , uh , {vocalsound} uh , over - subtraction and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}and so forth , um , that {vocalsound} arguably , you 're c and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and the choice of do you {disfmarker} do you operate on the mel bands or do you operate on the FFT beforehand . There're so many other choices to make that are {disfmarker} are almost {disfmarker} well , if not independent , certainly in addition to {pause} the choice of whether you , uh , do spectral subtraction or Wiener filtering ,that , um , {vocalsound} @ @ again we sort of felt the gang should just sort of figure out which it is they wanna do and then let 's pick it , go forward with it . So that 's {disfmarker} that was {disfmarker} that was lastweek . And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and , uh , we said , uh , take a week , go arm wrestle , you know ,Grad D: Oh .Professor B: figure it out . I mean , and th the joke there was that each of them had specialized inone of them .PhD A: Oh , OK .Professor B: And {disfmarker} and so they {disfmarker} so instead they went to Yosemite and bonded , and {disfmarker} and they came out with a single {disfmarker} single piece ofsoftware . So it 's {vocalsound} another {disfmarker} another victory for international collaboration . So .PhD A: So {disfmarker} so you guys have combined {disfmarker} or you 're going to be combining the software?Professor B: Uh .PhD C: Well , the piece of software has , like , plenty of options ,PhD E: Oh boy .PhD C: like you can parse command - line arguments . So depending on that , it {disfmarker} it becomes either spectralsubtraction or Wiener filtering .PhD A: Oh , OK .PhD C: So , yePhD A: They 're close enough .Professor B: Well , that 's fine , but the thing is {disfmarker} the important thing is that there is a piece of software that you{disfmarker} that we all will be using now .PhD C: Yeah . Yeah .Professor B: Yes .PhD C: There 's just one piece of software .PhD E: Yeah .Professor B: Yeah .PhD E: I need to allow it to do everything and even more{disfmarker} more than this .PhD C: Right .PhD E: Well , if we want to , like , optimize different parameters of {disfmarker}PhD C: Parameters . Yeah .Professor B: Sure .PhD E: Yeah , we can do it later . But , still{disfmarker} so , there will be a piece of software with , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} uh , will give this system , the fifty - three point sixty - six , by default and {disfmarker}Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD A: How{disfmarker} how is {disfmarker} how good is that ?PhD E: Mm - hmm .PhD A: I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't have a sense of {disfmarker}PhD E: It 's just one percent off of the {pause} best proposal .PhD C:Best system .PhD E: It 's between {disfmarker} i we are second actually if we take this system .PhD A: OK .Professor B: Yeah .PhD C: Yeah .PhD E: Right ?PhD A: Compared to the last evaluation numbers ? Yeah.Professor B: But , uh {disfmarker} w which we sort of were beforePhD C: Yeah .PhD E: Mm - hmm . Yeah .Professor B: but we were considerably far behind . And the thing is , this doesn't have neural net in yet forinstance . You know ?PhD E: Mm - hmm .PhD A: Hmm .Professor B: So it {disfmarker} so , um , it 's {disfmarker} it it 's not using our full bal bag of tricks , if you will .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: And , uh , and it{disfmarker} it is , uh , very close in performance to the best thing that was there before . Uh , but , you know , looking at it another way , maybe more importantly , uh , {vocalsound} we didn't have any explicit noise, uh , handling {disfmarker} stationary {disfmarker} dealing with {disfmarker} e e we didn't explicitly have anything to deal with stationary noise .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: And now we do .PhD A: So will the{pause} neural net operate on the output from either the Wiener filtering or the spectral subtraction ? Or will it operate on the original ?Professor B: Well , so {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} so argu arguably , I mean ,what we should do {disfmarker} I mean , I gather you have {disfmarker} it sounds like you have a few more days of {disfmarker} of nailing things down with the software and so on . But {disfmarker} and then{disfmarker} but , um , {vocalsound} arguably what we should do is , even though the software can do many things , we should for now pick a set of things , th these things I would guess , and not change that .PhD E:Mm - hmm .Professor B: And then focus on {pause} everything that 's left . And I think , you know , that our goal should be by next week , when Hynek comes back , {vocalsound} uh , to {disfmarker} uh , really justto have a firm path , uh , for the {disfmarker} you know , for the time he 's gone , of {disfmarker} of , uh , what things will be attacked . But I would {disfmarker} I would {disfmarker} I would thought think that whatwe would wanna do is not futz with this stuff for a while because what 'll happen is we 'll change many other things in the system ,PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: and then we 'll probably wanna come back to this andpossibly make some other choices . But , um .PhD A: But just conceptually , where does the neural net go ? Do {disfmarker} do you wanna h run it on the output of the spectrally subtracted {disfmarker} ?PhD E: Mmm.Professor B: Well , depending on its size {disfmarker} Well , one question is , is it on the , um , server side or is it on the terminal side ? Uh , if it 's on the server side , it {disfmarker} you probably don't have to worrytoo much about size .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: So that 's kind of an argument for that . We do still , however , have to consider its latency . So the issue is {disfmarker} is , um , {vocalsound} for instance , couldwe have a neural net that only looked at the past ?PhD A: Right .Professor B: Um , what we 've done in uh {disfmarker} in the past is to use the neural net , uh , to transform , {vocalsound} um , all of the features thatwe use . So this is done early on . This is essentially , {vocalsound} um , um {disfmarker} I guess it 's {disfmarker} it 's more or less like a spee a speech enhancement technique here {disfmarker}PhD A: Mm - hmm.Professor B: right ? {disfmarker} where we 're just kind of creating {vocalsound} new {disfmarker} if not new speech at least new {disfmarker} new FFT 's that {disfmarker} that have {disfmarker} you know , whichcould be turned into speech {disfmarker} uh , that {disfmarker} that have some of the noise removed .PhD E: Mm - hmm .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: Um , after that we still do a mess of other things to{disfmarker} to produce a bunch of features .PhD A: Right .Professor B: And then those features are not now currently transformed {vocalsound} by the neural net . And then the {disfmarker} the way that we had it inour proposal - two before , we had the neural net transformed features and we had {vocalsound} the untransformed features , which I guess you {disfmarker} you actually did linearly transform with the KLT ,PhD E:Yeah . Yeah . Right .Professor B: but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} uh , to orthogonalize them {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} but they were not , uh , processed through a neural net .And Stephane 's idea with that , as I recall , was that {vocalsound} you 'd have one part of the feature vector that was very discriminant and another part that wasn't ,PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: uh , which wouldsmooth things a bit for those occasions when , uh , the testing set was quite different than what you 'd trained your discriminant features for . So , um , all of that is {disfmarker} is , uh {disfmarker} still seems like agood idea . The thing is now we know some other constraints . We can't have unlimited amounts of latency . Uh , y you know , that 's still being debated by the {disfmarker} by people in Europe but , {vocalsound} uh ,no matter how they end up there , it 's not going to be unlimited amounts ,PhD A: Yeah .Professor B: so we have to be a little conscious of that . Um . So there 's the neural net issue . There 's the VAD issue . And , uh ,there 's the second stream {pause} thing . And I think those that we {disfmarker} last time we agreed that those are the three things that have to get , uh , focused on .PhD A: What was the issue with the VAD?Professor B: Well , better {comment} ones are good .PhD A: And so the w the default , uh , boundaries that they provide are {disfmarker} they 're OK , but they 're not all that great ?Professor B: I guess they stillallow two hundred milliseconds on either side or some ? Is that what the deal is ?PhD E: Mm - hmm . Uh , so th um , they keep two hundred milliseconds at the beginning and end of speech . And they keep all the{disfmarker}PhD A: Outside the beginnings and end .PhD E: Yeah .PhD A: Uh - huh .PhD E: And all the speech pauses , which is {disfmarker} Sometimes on the SpeechDat - Car you have pauses that are more thanone or two seconds .PhD A: Wow .PhD E: More than one second for sure . Um .PhD A: Hmm .PhD E: Yeah . And , yeah , it seems to us that this way of just dropping the beginning and end is not {disfmarker} We couwe can do better , I think ,PhD A: Mm - hmm .PhD E: because , um , {vocalsound} with this way of dropping the frames they improve {pause} over the baseline by fourteen percent and {vocalsound} Sunil alreadyshowed that with our current VAD we can improve by more than twenty percent .PhD A: On top of the VAD that they provide ?PhD C: No .PhD E: Just using either their VAD or our current VAD .PhD C: Our way .PhD A:Oh , OK .PhD E: So , our current VAD is {disfmarker} is more than twenty percent , while their is fourteen .PhD A: Theirs is fourteen ? I see .PhD E: Yeah .PhD A: Huh .PhD E: So . Yeah . And {pause} another thing thatwe did also is that we have all this training data for {disfmarker} let 's say , for SpeechDat - Car . We have channel zero which is clean , channel one which is far - field microphone . And if we just take only the , um ,VAD probabilities computed on the clean signal and apply them on the far - field , uh , test utterances , {vocalsound} then results are much better .PhD A: Mm - hmm .PhD E: In some cases it divides the error rate bytwo .PhD A: Wow .PhD E: So it means that there are stim {comment} still {disfmarker}PhD A: How {disfmarker} how much latency does the , uh {disfmarker} does our VAD add ?PhD E: If {disfmarker} if we can havea good VAD , well , it would be great .PhD A: Is it significant ,PhD E: Uh , right now it 's , um , a neural net with nine frames .PhD A: or {disfmarker} ?PhD E: So it 's forty milliseconds plus , um , the rank ordering ,which , uh , should bePhD C: Like another ten frames .PhD E: ten {disfmarker} Yeah .Grad D: Rank . Oh .PhD E: So , right now it 's one hundred and forty {pause} milliseconds .Professor B: With the rank ordering{disfmarker} ? I 'm sorry .PhD C: The {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the smoothing {disfmarker} the m the {disfmarker} the filtering of the probabilities .PhD E: The {disfmarker} The , um {disfmarker}PhD C: on theR .PhD E: Yeah . It 's not a median filtering . It 's just {disfmarker} We don't take the median value . We take something {disfmarker} Um , so we have eleven , um , frames .Professor B: Oh , this is for the VAD .PhDC: Yeah .PhD E: And {disfmarker} for the VAD , yeah {disfmarker}Professor B: Oh , OK .PhD C: Yeah .PhD E: and we take th the third .PhD C: Yeah .Grad D: DarPhD E: Um .Professor B: Yeah . Um . So {disfmarker}{comment} Yeah , I was just noticing on this that it makes reference to delay .PhD E: Mmm .Professor B: So what 's the {disfmarker} ? If you ignore {disfmarker} Um , the VAD is sort of in {disfmarker} in parallel ,isn't i isn't it , with {disfmarker} with the {disfmarker} ? I mean , it isn't additive with the {disfmarker} the , uh , LDA and the Wiener filtering , and so forth .PhD C: The LDA ?Professor B: Right ?PhD C: Yeah . So{disfmarker} so what happened right now , we removed the delay of the LDA .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: Yeah .PhD C: So we {disfmarker} I mean , if {disfmarker} so if we {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} so whichis like if we reduce the delay of VA So , the f the final delay 's now ba is f determined by the delay of the VAD , because the LDA doesn't have any delay . So if we re if we reduce the delay of the VAD , I mean , it 's likeeffectively reducing the delay .PhD A: How {disfmarker} how much , uh , delay was there on the LDA ?PhD C: So the LDA and the VAD both had a hundred millisecond delay . So and they were in parallel , so whichmeans you pick either one of them {disfmarker}PhD A: Mmm .PhD C: the {disfmarker} the biggest , whatever .PhD A: I see .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD C: So , right now the LDA delays are more .Professor B: Andthere {disfmarker}PhD A: Oh , OK .Professor B: And there didn't seem to be any , uh , penalty for that ? There didn't seem to be any penalty for making it causal ?PhD C: Pardon ? Oh , no . It actually made it , like ,point one percent better or something , actually .Professor B: OK . Well , may as well , then .PhD C: Or something like thatProfessor B: And he says Wiener filter is {disfmarker} is forty milliseconds delay .PhD C: and{disfmarker}Professor B: So is it {disfmarker} ?PhD C: Yeah . So that 's the one which Stephane was discussing , like {disfmarker}PhD E: Mmm .Professor B: The smoothing ?PhD C: Yeah . The {disfmarker} yousmooth it and then delay the decision by {disfmarker} So .Professor B: Right . OK . So that 's {disfmarker} that 's really not {disfmarker} not bad . So we may in fact {disfmarker} we 'll see what they decide . We mayin fact have , {vocalsound} um , the {disfmarker} the , uh , latency time available for {disfmarker} to have a neural net . I mean , sounds like we probably will . So .PhD C: Mm - hmm .Professor B: That 'd be good .Cuz I {disfmarker} cuz it certainly always helped us before . So .PhD A: What amount of latency are you thinking about when you say that ?Professor B: Uh . Well , they 're {disfmarker} you know , they 're disputing it.PhD A: Mmm .Professor B: You know , they 're saying , uh {disfmarker} one group is saying a hundred and thirty milliseconds and another group is saying two hundred and fifty milliseconds . Two hundred and fifty iswhat it was before actually . So ,PhD A: Oh .Professor B: uh , some people are lobbying {disfmarker} lobbying {comment} to make it shorter .PhD A: Hmm .Professor B: Um . And , um .PhD A: Were you thinking of thetwo - fifty or the one - thirty when you said we should {pause} have enough for the neural net ?Professor B: Well , it just {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} when we find that out it might change exactly how we do it , is all.PhD A: Oh , OK .Professor B: I mean , how much effort do we put into making it causal ? I mean , {vocalsound} I think the neural net will probably do better if it looks at a little bit of the future .PhD A: Mm - hmm.Professor B: But , um , it will probably work to some extent to look only at the past . And we ha you know , limited machine and human time , and {vocalsound} effort . And , you know , how {disfmarker} how muchtime should we put into {disfmarker} into that ? So it 'd be helpful if we find out from the {disfmarker} the standards folks whether , you know , they 're gonna restrict that or not .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: Um .But I think , you know , at this point our major concern is making the performance better and {disfmarker} and , um , {vocalsound} if , uh , something has to take a little longer in latency in order to do it that 's{pause} you know , a secondary issue .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: But if we get told otherwise then , you know , we may have to c clamp down a bit more .Grad D: Mmm .PhD C: So , the one {disfmarker} one


Project Manager: Okay . Here we go . Alright , the agenda for thi oh . Alright . Um the agenda for this meeting {vocalsound} is um {disfmarker} we'll initially have the prototype presentation by our two designers . Andthen we will evaluate it , given the criteria that um that we gave gave it . And um talk about our finances , whether we were under or over our budget . I have a um a spreadsheet where we can calculate um our pricesfor every aspect of of what we've made , given our options . And um evaluate the product , as a group .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: And um {disfmarker} So first we'll have the prototype presentation .Do you need the um PowerPoint for this ?Industrial Designer: Um yeah . I just got a few slides , so show them .Project Manager: Alright .Industrial Designer: Thank you . Do you want to present it ? {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah , here we are .User Interface: {vocalsound} This is what we came up with . It's a pretty simple design . It's um based on a mango ? Yeah . And{vocalsound} we {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: On ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Mango shape .Project Manager: {vocalsound} A mango . Okay .User Interface: Yeah . And we have thecompany logo here and this will be the infrared hereIndustrial Designer: The L_E_D_ .User Interface: and this'll be the power point , the on off button kind {disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh . Okay .User Interface: yeah.Marketing: I'm sorry .Project Manager: Oops .Marketing: What was the {disfmarker} where's the L_E_D_ ?User Interface: It's in the middle of one of the little R_s .Marketing: Oh . Okay .User Interface: And then theother one is the power . And uh we just have a simple design . We wanted it all to beIndustrial Designer: So it's palm-held .User Interface: accessible from your thumbIndustrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface:{disfmarker} yeah palm-heldProject Manager: Yeah .User Interface: and all the buttons are accessible from your thumb .Project Manager: Notice you have a number ten button .User Interface: So you don't have to{disfmarker} Oh that was a mistake , wasn't it ?Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: You just need the nought . {vocalsound}User Interface: Right no , that's a zero .Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Take that one off . {vocalsound} Sorry . I was in charge of the numbers . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} No problem .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Ah .User Interface: And this is just if you've got like eleven or twelve or thirt the plus .Industrial Designer: So one plus one would be eleven ,UserInterface: {vocalsound} You can go one , three or something .Industrial Designer: or {disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh . You press a plus button ?User Interface: You press that first and then you go one three yeah.Project Manager: Oh okay . I've never heard of that kind before .User Interface: Well we just thought , we have all the numbers here , so we wanted something representative of numbers larger than ten and{disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah because if you {disfmarker} on your average um remote , if you press one twice you just go to {disfmarker} um or uh say you wanted channel twelve ,you press one , and then you go to channel one , and then two then you'd just go to channel two , instead of twelve .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Oh , there's no eProject Manager: Oh .Industrial Designer: So ifyou did like one plus two you could go to channel twelve , or two plus two is channel twenty two .User Interface: So the plus and then {disfmarker}Marketing: okay .User Interface: yeah .Project Manager: IMarketing:Okay .Project Manager: But {disfmarker} Would you have to go zero plus one if you wanted to go to channel one or two ?User Interface: No no , th all {disfmarker} that's why we have all these numbers . Thesenumbers um these numbers all work independently up to nine . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah but I mean if you press , it'll go to that channel right away . 'Cause you gotta press the plus afterwards .UserInterface: Yeah . Oh no . Uh , the plus is only for if you're going past the number nine .Project Manager: Yeah I know , but if if I wanna go to say number like sixty five , channel sixty five , if I press the six it'll go tochannel six , and then I'll press the plus , and then it'll go to six and then put the five and it'll go to sixty five ?Marketing: Sixty .User Interface: You p Oh . No you press the plus first .Industrial Designer: Oh .UserInterface: I I {disfmarker} well it doesn't {disfmarker} we haven't really s I would've thought you pressed the plus first and then the six five ,Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: but she says plus {disfmarker}{vocalsound} press {disfmarker} which {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Well I don't mind , we can further define that .User Interface: what do you think is simpler ?Project Manager: I th Um {disfmarker}UserInterface: It's a {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: I wouldn't have thought it'd be a problem that it went to channel six first , in like on the way to channel sixty five .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah itwouldn't be a problem . But I was just wonderingIndustrial Designer: But I suppose it's not as snappy .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: like as long as we realise that's what it'll do .Marketing: Well the there is a{disfmarker} there's a delay on remotes I think .User Interface: Oops . Yeah .Marketing: Where you can have it {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: it's like a five second input time .Industrial Designer:Yeah . If you don't put it {disfmarker}Marketing: So as long as you hit them dadaIndustrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah ,User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: that {disfmarker} yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} it shouldbe fine .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: As long as there's not a big pause between the t hitting the two buttons .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Yeah . So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Um{disfmarker}Marketing: Was there {disfmarker} so on the top there is volume and {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: And channel ,User Interface: A channel .Industrial Designer: which is so you could just go like thatwithout thinking about it , like {disfmarker}Marketing: Channel up volume up . Okay cool .Project Manager: C_ and V_ .User Interface: Just so we can flick {disfmarker}Project Manager: Right , where um where's thepower button ?Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: It's in the middle of one of the little R_s . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: It's the bigger R_ .Marketing: It's the R_ .Project Manager: Oh okay .Industrial Designer: Soit's just like {vocalsound} .User Interface: Yeah ,Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: so it's all accessible . Without m taking your hand off the remote .Industrial Designer: We deciProject Manager: Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah um we went for like a a circular design for the numbersMarketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: because we thought that's kind of a more natural movement than just going like that with your thumb.Project Manager: Oh okay .Industrial Designer: Uh e ergonomics are all considered .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Ergonomic , definitely ergonomic .User Interface: And {vocalsound}it might actually help with the repetitive stress injury as well .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: It could cause another type of repetitive stress injury though .User Interface: Okay . {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: But yeah , no I mean it's a different movementMarketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: so {disfmarker} yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Um and the feel of it , I mean , we've made thisout of Play Doh , which is representing the , you know , the rubber , and the spongy rubberness .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: The spon yeah .User Interface: Yeah .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Um 'cause it was said before in the material specification that this {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} this anti-R_S_I_ um material is often used in stress balls so this has got a you know abit of give to it ,Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: and it just feels feels different .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Bit of a stress ball feel .Industrial Designer: Would you like to feel it yourselves ?UserInterface: Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yes . I would .Industrial Designer: How it fits in the palm of your hand ?Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: My goodness .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Thanks .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} There you go .Industrial Designer: And you ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: Genevieve ?Marketing: YesProject Manager: Yeah .{vocalsound}Marketing: . Oh it's nice . Oh I think I killed the five .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: I did .Project Manager: And something hmm . {vocalsound}Marketing: I killed the four . Oh god .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: O Okay , as for the colours , we were presented with um a limited range of colours for this prototype .User Interface: Of Play Doh yeah .Marketing: Oh it smells good .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: But we're thinking that , seeing as we're having it in interchangeable casing anyway , that this is not necessarily a representation of the true colours that we would necessarily use . Orthe combination . Um and we're thinking to carry-on with the fruit and vegetable theme , the colour um combination just could just be named after different fruit , like banana could be black and yellow , watermelon redand green ,Project Manager: Oh right .Industrial Designer: or vanilla might be the most popular if it just uh blends inUser Interface: 'Cause it'd be quite subtle and {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: more settled creaminstead of the others are all a bit garish .Project Manager: Yeah . It looks more {disfmarker} Think like vanilla and banana would .Industrial Designer: Banana's more representative of our colour scheme , like thecompany {disfmarker} the yellow and black .Project Manager: Okay yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: So that {disfmarker} for corporate identity that would probably be the most strength .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I mean watermelon , you know , m probably appealing to the {disfmarker}Project Manager: Kinda Christmas , youknow .Industrial Designer: yeah , seasonal .User Interface: Yeah , yeah , yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Apple green , brown , more kinda trendy , you know , khaki {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah .UserInterface: The pomegranate's kinda girly and funky kind of ,Project Manager: Cool .User Interface: and then the vanilla's more for the more sophisticated {vocalsound} customer who just wants something that fits inwith all decor .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah . Okay . Um yeah we thought of the components it was definitely um a focus of ergonomics and just a single ha handheld device , I mean youdon't need to use both hands , one hand to hold this and type in with the other , you can just use your thumb .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Um , as we said the rubber's probably used for comfort andanti-R_S_I_ and that's about it .Project Manager: Alright , thank you very much .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Good work everyone .Marketing: {vocalsound} Bravo {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Alright . And so now that we've we have a prototype , uh we need to go over the finances and seeing if this prototype matches uh what our budget can handle .Industrial Designer:Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So , I have something I'm going to {disfmarker} Oh wait a minute .Marketing: You want the {disfmarker}Project Manager: Do you need to do a presentation first ?Marketing: {vocalsound}I don't know what order it goes in .Project Manager: Yeah . I'm gonna check that out for a second .Marketing: I have one .Industrial Designer: Mm go {disfmarker}Project Manager: What time is it anywIndustrialDesigner: {gap}Project Manager: Oh yeah sorry you're right . Evaluation criteria is next in line .Marketing: Evaluation cri Okay . That's me .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Hello . Oh there we go . Okay . Come onmy computer . Come on . {vocalsound} Sorry my computer's giving me technical difficulties .Project Manager: Just press um function eight again .Marketing: Should I press it again ? Last time I did that it sh Okay .You're right .Project Manager: And then again I think . One more time .Marketing: Oh . Still not there .Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah .Marketing: Okay now I think for this one I could {disfmarker} Would you guys preferuse the whiteboard or mayb maybe I'll just do it on {disfmarker} right on the screen where you can see it . Um , we're gonna be doing an evaluation report together based on the protoptype that we've just seen . Umand looking looking back at my notes from our {disfmarker} both our conceptual and our functional meetings , um I made a list of what our original requirements and goals were , um , back to our kick-off meeting thismorning . Um , and we'll evaluate as to whether we've s done what we set out to do . Um and we're gonna do it on a one to seven scale where one is true and seven is false . So basically the lower p the lower the pointsthe better . {vocalsound} Okay so question number one . Does the remote {disfmarker} whoops . Sorry . Oh I'm not gonna be able {disfmarker} um , I'll do it on the whiteboard . I can't change it so I'm g I'm gonnaask you to push it down once .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: I'll write down our scores up on the {disfmarker}Project Manager: Ooh .Marketing: Okay so number one . Do we have a fancy look-and-feel ?IndustrialDesigner: Feel I think .User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer: We've been quite successful with the rubber coatingProject Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: and {disfmarker}Project Manager: The look is a little bitmore playful .User Interface: Well {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah I guess that depends on your definition of fancy , but it's definitely different .Project Manager: Ohdefinitely different yeah .Marketing: It's not your traditional {disfmarker} yeah .Industrial Designer: I think the colour has a lot to do with it . I mean {vocalsound} th the colours we were given for making the prototypearen't the colours that I think we would've necessarily chosen .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: It's not the kind of {disfmarker} ooh uh at all sleekProject Manager: Oh you were onlygiven red and black ?Industrial Designer: {disfmarker} red , black and yellow , and orange .Project Manager: Oh okay .User Interface: Yeah {vocalsound} so {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Um{disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} not very sleek and we don't wanna go for black because most remote controls are black or grey .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: So we want it to be stand out that way ,anyway .Project Manager: Yeah . Okay .Industrial Designer: But if you can imagine that in like a s just a {disfmarker} maybe uh a kind of pale metallic-y finish or something {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah . Ametallic-y finish we were thinking .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Well I know know it's for rubber .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: I mean diff if you can visualise this in nicecolours I think it would look quite fancy . {vocalsound}User Interface: Polished . Okay {disfmarker} Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah . I kinda {disfmarker} I like the potato look .Project Manager: It'smango . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Oh well , potato , mango , fruit and veg .User Interface: {vocalsound} We we were {vocalsound} we were thinking about {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing:It's very different . It's what ?Project Manager: It's mango . {vocalsound}Marketing: Oh sorry the mango the mango look .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Potato's fine . Potato's fine .User Interface: yeah .Marketing:{vocalsound} Yeah it is , fruit or vegetable depends on your mood .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah . Totally . It's really adaptable .Marketing: So I myself would say a one or a two .ProjectManager: Yeah . I would say two . Personally .User Interface: I w I'd say two I think .Marketing: It's a two ?Industrial Designer: For theMarketing: Okay ,User Interface: Fanciness .Marketing: and pProject Manager:Yeah .Industrial Designer: fancy {disfmarker}Marketing: One being true . So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: I {disfmarker} uh two , three . {vocalsound}Marketing: Two .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Okay , actuthat's pro that's gonna get confusing , like that . Okay so question number two was {vocalsound} is it techn technologically innovative ? So I know we have the kinetic energy which is very innovative .Project Manager:Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah and the use of the rubber .Marketing: {vocalsound} Use of the rubber , the use of the L_E_D_ .Industrial Designer: For the anti-R_S_I_ .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah.Industrial Designer: The L_E_D_ use isn't particularly innovativeMarketing: Isn't {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: and we don't have any scroll buttons , it's all pushbuttons ,User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer:there's no L_C_D_ control , so if we're thinking about the rest of the market , it's sort of probably halfway .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: In some aspects it is , like we said .ProjectManager: Yeah . I'd say maybe three .User Interface: I'll go for three as well .Marketing: Yeah . And I think {disfmarker} I mean it it's tough to say because we were {disfmarker} we didn't want it to be any moreinnovative than this , because then that would've defeated the purpose .Project Manager: Yeah we want it simple .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Though it was our specification .User Interface: No . Wouldn't be simple ,yeah .Marketing: So I mean I {disfmarker} we'll put three , but I think we actually reached our goal .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} We didn't want it any more than that . Okayquestion number three . Uh , will it be easy to use ?Project Manager: I think so . Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah .User Interface: Yeah very .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: I think one for that .Marketing: Yeah. S YeahProject Manager: Yeah . One .Marketing: I think it's {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: you can't really get confused with that .User Interface: No .Project Manager:ThMarketing: I mean , there'll be s we have to work out the uh number {disfmarker} the plus system .Project Manager: The plus number thing .User Interface: Yeah that's the only thing yeah .Marketing: But oncethat's figured out , it should be fine .Industrial Designer: Yeah and perhaps the turning on but {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Number four . Is this a good-looking remote ?Industrial Designer: Mm.Marketing: Remember that seventy five percent of users find most remote controls ugly .User Interface: {vocalsound} It's definitely {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Again I think the colour comes into this .ProjectManager: Yeah colour will definitely be a factor .Marketing: Mm-hmm {vocalsound} .Project Manager: I think that the logo could be smaller .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: And maybe not such aprominent way .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Maybe like at the bottom , kind of .User Interface: But the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Not in {disfmarker}User Interface: Remember the management saidthat it it had to be prominent .Project Manager: Oh it just had to be on there I guess .Marketing: Whoops .User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound}Marketing: Should just not touch it .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Don't worry . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} This time it's the three I killed . {vocalsound} I was just wondering if it should be like flatter . Or {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:I suppose I've got quite big hands .Project Manager: I like the appeal of it being like a big glob in your hand .Marketing: Well {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: But youknow what I've just thought of there now . What {disfmarker} where's it gonna sit in your living room ? Is it not gonna fall off the arm of the sofa ?Project Manager: Maybe if the bottom was just sort of flat , and thenthe rest is likeMarketing: Yeah the bottom could be like ch chopped a bit .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: round .User Interface: But then it wouldn't sit as comfortably in your hand {vocalsound} .Marketing: Oh