Project Manager: Mm-hmm ? Okay . Ooh .User Interface: {gap}Industrial Designer: So we're 'kay ? On the {gap} or {disfmarker} No . I dunno where to put it 'cause the {disfmarker} Okay . Could you s take it off ?{gap} .Marketing: Is that alright ? {vocalsound} {gap} or {disfmarker} Okay .Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing: Keeps coming off . 'S fiddly .Project Manager: Hmm . {gap}Marketing: {vocalsound} Right .ProjectManager: How do we sta wa how do we start ? Does anybody know ?Marketing: Oh , another one .Project Manager: So that's this {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh okay , right.Industrial Designer: Are we free to take notes uh {disfmarker} Okay .Project Manager: Uh {vocalsound} {gap} . {vocalsound} {gap} . Hmm . Okay , just hang on a second everybody . I haven't actually looked at thisyet .Marketing: {vocalsound} Ah .Project Manager: {gap} um {disfmarker}Marketing: Very nice .Project Manager: I haven't looked at it , but let's just start it off and we'll see what happens . If you're all ready .UserInterface: Yeah .Project Manager: So {gap} is the agenda ? Opening , acquaintance , tool training and project plan , discussion and then closing . Project aim is a new remote control . It's original , uh trendy and it'suser-friendly .Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: Project method , functional design , individual work , another meeting , conceptual design , individual work , and a meeting of details design , individual work and ameeting . Tool training . Try out the whiteboard , every participant should draw their favourite animal and sum up their favourite characteristics of that animal .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Um . Uh Miss IndustrialDesigner , would you like to go first ?Industrial Designer: Okay . So are we supposed to bring the little things for the {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah , why don't you just c , I think just clip on {disfmarker}clipMarketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {disfmarker} do you have a belt ?Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: Clip {gap} .Project Manager: Or put 'em in your pocket , yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .{vocalsound} {gap} okay . So my favourite animal {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah , what's your favourite animal ?Industrial Designer: 'Kay um {disfmarker}Marketing: Ah .Project Manager: Is it rude ?Marketing:It's an elephant . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: That's a very good elephant .User Interface: The back end of an elephant .Marketing: Oh my gosh , I'm never gonna be able to draw thatwell . {vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay , and you want to write up on there , it says you've gotta sum up your f f your favourite characteristics of that animal .Industrial Designer: Um {vocalsound} okay , it's big , it'sgot a great memory .Marketing: Does it ? Oh .Industrial Designer: Supposed to have a great memory , we say an elephant never forgets .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: And uh dunno knowwhy but {vocalsound} looks like nice to me .Project Manager: Okay . Wonderful , well done .Industrial Designer: Nice animal .Project Manager: Do you want to use the wipe {disfmarker} the m the wiper and wipe it off?Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: And Mister aesthetics designer do you wanna go next ?User Interface: {vocalsound} Aesthetic yep , sure .Marketing: I have no idea what my favourite animal is .UserInterface: 'Kay , my favourite animal ,Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: uh let's see .Marketing: Oh .User Interface: Dunno if any of you have seen Napoleon Dynamite before .Marketing: It's {disfmarker}UserInterface: It's a liger {vocalsound} ,Project Manager: No .Marketing: A what ?User Interface: a combination of a lion and tiger {vocalsound} .Marketing: Alright .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: Have you not seen Napoleon Dynamite ?Marketing: How {gap} .Project Manager: No .Industrial Designer: No .User Interface: Oh it's a hilarious movie .Marketing: No .User Interface: Youhave to see it . And and it's best characteristic is it's pretty much the awesomest animal . But you have to see the movie to fully appreciate it . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay , well done .Marketing: Great . Me?Project Manager: Yeah . Miss mar Miss Marketing ?Marketing: Okay . Not quite sure how this is gonna work .User Interface: There {gap} go .Marketing: {vocalsound} Cool . {vocalsound} Uh {vocalsound} well I'll trymy best {vocalsound} to draw . Can I just draw the face ?Project Manager: Um yeah , I think you can just draw the face , but then you'll have to describe in writing how the rest of it looks . {vocalsound}Marketing: Ooh. It's a cat .Project Manager: That's a very pr pretty cat .Marketing: {vocalsound} Which also has what ? A big fat body and big {disfmarker} and a long tail .Project Manager: Okay , do y do you wanna do some{disfmarker} write {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Why ?Project Manager: you wanna just write some words about it ?Marketing: Because um cuddly . And usually cats are very friendly . Usually . And they'rehealing as well . They heal . And they can feel when a human's got problems so {disfmarker}Project Manager: Wow , so they're kinda spiritual .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: So , that's why I like cats.Project Manager: Well done .Marketing: There we are , that's me . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um , I don't actually have a favourite animal ,Marketing: Mm .ProjectManager: but for the for th for this meeting I'll s draw a little {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Uh . I honestly can't draw for toffee . Uh .User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Really ?Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Oh that's a {disfmarker}Project Manager: {gap} noUser Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: A prairie dog ?Project Manager: {gap} no {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh a squirrel ?Project Manager: That's exactly what it is .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh not a very good one {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Not bad I would say .User Interface: Yeah , that's pretty good .Project Manager: Okay , well , you got it's a s It's asquirrel , and I like them , because they're cute and stupid .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Very good .Marketing: Ah .User Interface: Alright .Project Manager: Right . Okay , so , I guess that was thetest to see if this equipment is all working .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm . Let's move on to the next page . Okay , project finance , selling price twenty five Euros , profit aim fifty million Euros.Marketing: Market range internationally sold .Project Manager: Yeah . Production cost , ah right it's gotta be {disfmarker} can't cost any more than twelve fifty to make .Marketing: Ah right okay .Project Manager:{gap} experience with with remote control , so talk about who who's used what . Any ideas ? Stuff like that . Next meeting starts in thirty minutes . {vocalsound} At quarter to twelve . {vocalsound}User Interface: So Ithink before we close uh , we are expected {disfmarker} I mean the last slide wanted us to maybe discuss longer what our what our ideas where . I mean if you wanna go back to the last slide . Uh {disfmarker}ProjectManager: Yeah .User Interface: SMarketing: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah , I think we're {disfmarker} I mean before we close the meeting , we're supposed to come up with some ideas for {disfmarker}Project Manager:Oh k so we're actually supposed to be doing this discussion like right now are we or {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: oh okay .Industrial Designer: Mm .User Interface: Yeah .ProjectManager: I thought this was just t giving us instructions for the re to do next , but {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah , I think this is just the preliminary , get some rough ideas for what our experiences with remotecontrols have been and and what we would {disfmarker} roughly what we would incorporate into a new one maybe .Project Manager: Okay . Right , who's got experiences with remote controls then ? Pretty mucheverybody .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: Yeah , I think we've all got {disfmarker}Marketing: Uh . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um .Industrial Designer: Is this a T_V_ one we are supposedto make ?Marketing: Yeah . Yeah it's a T_V_ remote control .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: 'Kay um .Marketing: Well . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: TMarketing: A new remote control for T_V_ . Whatwould I like ? {vocalsound} Um .Project Manager: W what {disfmarker} You want it big do you want it small . Are we are we going for like like telephones are going little teeny tiny things or we are going for somethingthat's that's big and {disfmarker}Marketing: Medium .User Interface: Mm . Yeah it seems like there's like {disfmarker} there's sort of a tension between two ideas , I mean , you want you want one remote that maybecan work uh all all of the functions of T_V_ and if you have whatever associated with T_V_ the D_V_D_ player , or something like that ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} Video and ts hi-fi and stuff .User Interface: but likeat the same time you don't wanna really busy remote with a thousand buttons on it or something .Project Manager: Maybe you {disfmarker} yeahUser Interface: Mm .Project Manager: now th that's the other thing isit's gotta be cheap .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: 'Cause I I I mean I was thinking something that's got different like maybe a a an L_C_D_ display on it that's got different pages for different devices,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: but that would p that would probably be quite expensive .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: But how do we know how much uh , I mean , how much do we have per{disfmarker} how much ?Marketing: Twelve fifty .Industrial Designer: Twelve fifty . {vocalsound}User Interface: It g can't be more than twelve fifty per unit .Marketing: Each .Project Manager: Per unit , yeah .UserInterface: Cost .Industrial Designer: So do we have to be realistic within the budget or {disfmarker}Project Manager: Well at the moment we could , wa I mean we {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Close pr I don'tknow how much it would cost . Yeah .Marketing: Guess {disfmarker}Project Manager: 'cause we this is what we th what we're doing at the moment is just saying what what we'd like , and then after we after we'vefound out what we can like , some different ideas , we can then go and do the research to find out if these {disfmarker} any of these ideas are feasible or not .Industrial Designer: Right .Project Manager: So would benice to have something that that controls lots of different things .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Um .Marketing: Couldn't we have like one that comes out ? {vocalsound} Like so you have one in like{disfmarker} mmIndustrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: it doesn't have to be really thick . I mean remote controls can be thin bits . And then you have one for your D_V_D_ and you sort of slide it out , and then youhave another one , you slide it out .Project Manager: {vocalsound} 'Kay .Marketing: {gap} have slides . And then it all comes compactProject Manager: Okay , that's {gap} .Marketing: into one . So it's not{disfmarker} you actually just putting three or four different remotes together but making them thinner , and um into one basically .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Th that's an idea .User Interface: Yeah.Marketing: So you just flip them out .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Um {gap} have uh one very complicated one on one side with {vocalsound} all the D_V_D_ and V_C_R_ access and stuff , and then onthe other side o {vocalsound} one uh a remote control that would be very very simple with just the channel , program plus and {vocalsound} minus , and the just the mute button , for example . I can real keep it reallyreally simple on one side and the other side be very complicated .Project Manager: One side for kids , one side for adults .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound} I'm not sure if that's like{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Or grandma as well , you know it's like {vocalsound} what is the mute button .User Interface: I'm not sure if it's a good idea to have a two sided remote though , 'cause it would bevery hard to use in the way that you mani manipulate it .Industrial Designer: No , but you would slide it into uh someth like something on the back would hold {disfmarker} like you wouldn't be able to press the buttons, but {disfmarker}User Interface: Oh .Project Manager: Like it {gap}User Interface: Oh okay .Project Manager: or something like a flip telephone , something like that maybe . {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah . Okay.Marketing: That would be cool .Project Manager: F flip it open and you've got all the buttons , or you flip it closed and you've just got the basic buttons on the outside maybe .Marketing: I was thinking that like a flip.User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Um , oh we've got five minutes left .Industrial Designer: Start breaking up .Project Manager: But {disfmarker} okay .Marketing: Okay . Um .Project Manager: Well we've gota k we've got a few ideas there .User Interface: Yeah , we should uh {disfmarker}Marketing: {gap} .User Interface: I guess by the end of this meeting we should have at least a a rough conception {disfmarker} youknow {gap} stage one was technical functions design , what effect the apparatus should have . Okay . Um so I mean we still have time in our next meeting to come up with the actual concept for the user interface , butthe the functions that we're sure that we want are that it can control the T_V_ , but also devices connected to the to the T_V_ , I mean , be able to operateProject Manager: Yeah .User Interface: D_V_D_ players ,things like that .Project Manager: I have got {disfmarker} I think we should also have a back-up plan of {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} 'cause I I I just think that it might be expensive to make something that{disfmarker} I mean we don't , we haven't been told it has to be something that will control everything . We should have a back-up plan of just a really good television remote control , that just {disfmarker} that is justfor a T_V_ , but it's just a really good , nice one .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Okay . Right .Project Manager: What do you reckon ? See 'cause , {gap} I'm just thinking {disfmarker}bearing in mind th we've gotta {disfmarker} we have to have something that's cheap to make .User Interface: Yeah , I mean {gap} . Yeah , that's true , maybe we should just concentrate on having a a good T_V_remote , and have it be umProject Manager: {vocalsound} I think we'll be able to come up with ideas and stuff a lot quicker .User Interface: have it be like ergonomic so it's comfortable to use ,Project Manager: Yeah.User Interface: uh simple to use , and looks decent and {disfmarker}Project Manager: May w you know , maybe even {disfmarker}Marketing: But what'll make it what'll make it interesting for people to buy though?Project Manager: Or maybe even so something that's for disabled peopleMarketing: I mean if it's if it's just like {disfmarker}Project Manager: or so people that uh b don't see very well or {disfmarker} big buttons for{disfmarker} touchy buttons for {disfmarker}User Interface: Sorta find a niche for our remote , like market it to a certain kind of p kind of people ,Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Orjust one that looks really fucking cool .User Interface: certain certain demographic {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm-hmm.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Could be really light or , I dunno , something special .User Interface: Yeah , no I think you're right . Yeah , rathe rather than focus on {disfmarker}Project Manager: Otherwise we'll bewe'll be here all day talking about {gap} do this let's do that n I think we sh I think we should {disfmarker}User Interface: Y {vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah , 'cause at the end of the day if it says justT_V_ remote , doesn't say com combination with all all the r {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah . I mean obviously everyone {disfmarker} we're uh you know uh sounds like we're all a bit sort ofgadget heads and we like things that do everything at once , but you know , that's {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} Remotes spinning out from other remotes and having little nested remotes inside .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: Yeah , that's right . Yeah . I mean I'd like one thatmakes tea as well , but {vocalsound} that's not gonna happen .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} I think a flip up thing , 'cause you always have this problem of like if it's on this {disfmarker}well I did anyway , like we had five or six remotes and they would be lying on the c on the coach , and you'd come and sit down and {disfmarker} ooh , the telephone's {disfmarker} the television switched on orsomething . So maybe something that like does have a lid or closes , so you don't accidentally press a button or record button for something .Project Manager: Okay , like a lock f like a lock functs function on it like youhave on your telephones , yeah .Marketing: Yeah . But make it like really snazzy and cool {gap} people will want it . So make it {disfmarker} Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah , it's gotta be sellable . Yeah .Marketing: Yeah.User Interface: Yeah , that's true what you were saying , I mean it doesn't have to have a flip function , it can just have a lock function , so that it's not uh not usable when you don't want it to be usable .ProjectManager: Yeah .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: And even for kids as well . It's um it's safer for them , I guess . Like theydon't flick onto channels and all that sl flick onto . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} No porn channel for children .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . Um alright ,Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: so we've got some ideas , we've got um {disfmarker}User Interface: I guess that'sgood good for now .Project Manager: Let's move on .Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: Oops , let's close that . Next meeting , uh okay .Marketing: W What does I_D_V_I_D_N_M_E_ stand for ?Project Manager:Industrial Designer um which is {disfmarker}Marketing: Ah ri okay . {gap} these are requirement specification .Project Manager: Um .Industrial Designer: That's {disfmarker} Mm .Marketing: And I'm marketing.Project Manager: Yeah , there you go . {vocalsound} So {gap} {disfmarker} User Interface Designer , that's that'sUser Interface: That's me . Okay .Project Manager: that's you , so you gotta {gap} you go , you'reyou're gonna be the one that's working out what what buttons we need . Um .User Interface: Right . Right .Project Manager: Industrial Designer , you are the one {gap} , you know , you're gonna be working out kind ofbox it goes in , I guess so , um whether it's {gap} what goes into the box , somehow .Industrial Designer: Mm . Har how it works anProject Manager: And in marketing {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: BuMarketing:{vocalsound} These are requirement specification .Project Manager: User requirements specifications .Marketing: So what the user requiresProject Manager: Yeah , what {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Do you thinkour two kind of overlap , because {disfmarker}Marketing: in a remote .Project Manager: Right , okay , yeah .User Interface: Yeah , it does seem like our our responsibilities have some overlap .Marketing: I guess that'swhat it says .Project Manager: You two {vocalsound} you two are gonna be just , I think , you just double up , you know , you {disfmarker} working together .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .ProjectManager: You're the one that's gotta go and find out {disfmarker} do th do the research , see what people want in a remote , what buttons are used more often , and s stuff like that .Marketing: Mm .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Oh , we've been warned to finish the meeting now . Okay . Okay everyone , well done .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Good meeting .User Interface: Alright , see you in thirty minutes.Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: So {vocalsound} , do we take these off ?Industrial Designer: I don't {disfmarker}


Marketing: I wanna find our if our remote works .Project Manager: Me too . {vocalsound}Marketing: Oh . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . Um here's the agenda for our last meeting .Marketing: Whoohoo .ProjectManager: Um after the opening we're going to have a prototype presentation , then we're going to discuss the evaluation criteria and the financing of our remote . Then we're going to evaluate the product and I thinkthe whole production process , and then we're gonna close it up , and we have forty minutes , so let's get started . Oh , no , let's have the prototype presentation .Industrial Designer: Mm 'kay ,User Interface:{gap}Industrial Designer: you ready ?User Interface: Um sure . You or me ?Industrial Designer: Y you read that stuff , since you wrote it .User Interface: Okay . Well , since our materials aren't exactly what we weregoing for , I'm just gonna translate what this all means for you .Industrial Designer: I'll be the Vanna .User Interface: {vocalsound} The base is gonna be gunmetal gray , which is what we had decided , and it's gonnabe plastic . Um then there's the latex cover , which is what you see as red . Um because it can be replaceable , we just kinda went with the colour .Project Manager: Right .User Interface: Um and then the buttons areactually kind of poking through rather than on top . Um and the buttons will be a l much lighter blue , almost see-through .Project Manager: Hmm .User Interface: It's just sort of a very pale blue and a light-up yellow.Marketing: That's nice .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: The whole thing lights up if you press any button , rather than it {disfmarker} just that one button will light up .Marketing: Good .User Interface: Um andthen at the bottom we have our logo . Um bright yellow sort of design with the R_R_ {vocalsound} which will actually look like our logo .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Great .User Interface: And then on the side youhave the buttons . {vocalsound} They're one button , but they kind of push up and down .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: I don't think they're scrolling .Industrial Designer: No . They're just buttons .UserInterface: {vocalsound} Right , yeah . And then {disfmarker} yeah , the buttons .Industrial Designer: On off switch will be here and as you've noticed on our prototype um they've ended up with a curvature kind of , byconcave sort of thing , except for , you know , {gap} can't see underneath .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: So I'm hoping that when we get to production we can actually make them like that , because they'revery nice to stock {gap} you know , stick your finger in . Um the two squared buttons are are two probably least used , menu , mute ,User Interface: Thumb-shaped .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: and thenthese are the numbers , so our channel and our volume will be on either side .User Interface: Yeah . And then the last thing is just that it'll be black labelling on top , just which we didn't do . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Okay . And did you determine um the curvature of the bottom part of it for the hand , is it gonna be a single or a double ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'd say a single .Project Manager:Single . Single sounds good ,User Interface: Single .Project Manager: 'cause it's not big enough to really constitute a double .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah , it's only actually the size of my hand .UserInterface: Right .Project Manager: Great . Great . I think you did an awesome job .Marketing: Yeah , I think it's a beautiful {disfmarker}Project Manager: It is beautiful , and it's everything that we discussed .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah . Good job , you guys .Project Manager: Good job .Industrial Designer: Whoohoo .User Interface: Oh thank you . {vocalsound}Marketing: Those are really good .ProjectManager: Alright {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {gap}Project Manager: what's next in our agenda ? Um we're gonna discuss the evaluation criteria , and that's with Courtney .Marketing: Okay , it's a PowerPointpresentation . I don't really know exactly what we should uh talk about . It's under evaluation .Project Manager: Right .Marketing: Alright . Um so these are the criteria we're gonna ask , is it easy to use , is itfashionable uh {disfmarker} yeah , I guess we should write these down so we can reference them .Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: Feel good meaning what ?Marketing: Like does it feel good , like{disfmarker}User Interface: Physically ,Project Manager: Right .User Interface: okay .Marketing: yeah , physically .User Interface: {gap}Project Manager: Sqi {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}That's just for current trend .Project Manager: Right .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: It doesn't really count , you guys .Industrial Designer: Yeah , it was a little difficult to incorporate the cover with the cherryfruit on it .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah . But it's {disfmarker} so we do have removable covers , right ?Project Manager: Right .Industrial Designer: Yes .User Interface: {gap}Marketing: Yeah , wellthen that's covered .Project Manager: 'Kay .Marketing: And so we n k everybody have that ?Project Manager: I'll wait .Marketing: Yeah , she's got it .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: It's good . Yeah . Okay so , we'reusing the criteria uh for a seven point scale , and so we need to discuss how we feel . It falls within this range , so for easy to use , do we feel it's very easy to use ?Project Manager: Are we going to indiUser Interface:True or false , easy to use .Project Manager: I say we individually rate {disfmarker} what do you say ?Marketing: You guys {disfmarker}Project Manager: Just orally .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .ProjectManager: Why not ? We have {disfmarker} okay .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Um easy to use . I vote six .Marketing: Oh wait , that's false .Project Manager: Oh ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager:two .Marketing: Okay .Industrial Designer: I'd say two as well .User Interface: Yeah , two .Marketing: Two . That's what I say .Project Manager: Uh hello , we're great .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay ,fashionable ?Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um one .Industrial Designer: At the moment , no .Project Manager: No .Marketing: No . I mean like no , I think it's very fashionable .Project Manager: Me too , very chic .{vocalsound}Marketing: I thi I would give it a one .Project Manager: One , I give it a one .Industrial Designer: Okay .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'll give it a two , because at the moment it's notlooking that way .Project Manager: Oh , and ma it's a prototype ,Marketing: Well , that's that's just like {disfmarker} that's a clay , it's a prototype .Project Manager: right .User Interface: Mm I don't think it's thatfashionable .Marketing: What do you think ?User Interface: I'd give it like three or four .Project Manager: Well , now I'm {gap} .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: So , the average is about a two .User Interface:{vocalsound} But then I'm not fashionable , soMarketing: Yeah , it's a two .Project Manager: Two or three . Two point five .User Interface: don't use my opinion .Marketing: That's okay . Yeah .Industrial Designer:Neither are all o all the customers we have , either .Marketing: {vocalsound} UmUser Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: does it feel good ?Project Manager: Imagine , since we obviously don't have that .UserInterface: Does it feel good ?Marketing: I feel like {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Uh the shape of it actually does uh .Project Manager: And it's i it is very ergonomically designed . It's gonna be curved .UserInterface: Yeah , it's gonna be thicker .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Depth .Marketing: I think it feels good .Project Manager: I think so too .Marketing: I'll give it a two .Project Manager: 'Kay . Two .UserInterface: {vocalsound} I'll give it a one .Marketing: What do you say ?Industrial Designer: I'd say a two .Project Manager: Alright , average is two .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Is it technologically innovative ?Oh sorry I'm taking over your job here .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Oh no , it's fine ,Project Manager: Go right ahead . {vocalsound}Marketing: you're {disfmarker} I mean you're Project Manager.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Um yeah , I mean and it {disfmarker} does it have voice {disfmarker} I mean the phrase recognition on it ?Project Manager: Yes . Right ? We were able to do it with thatkind of chip .User Interface: Oh right , the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: We could do it with the chip , yes . It wasn't {disfmarker} we have no reflection of it on the prototype ,Marketing: And there's no way you canrepresent it on here . YProject Manager: Yeah , right .Industrial Designer: but that's because it's only two dimensions , really .Project Manager: That was {disfmarker} 'kay . And we discussed that being included .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah , so .User Interface: Right .Marketing: Then yes , then I would {disfmarker} well it isn't {disfmarker} what else would it need for it to be technologically innovative?Industrial Designer: It {disfmarker}Project Manager: Well we don' have the {disfmarker} you know , we can't say channel , and it changes the channel , channel eight .Marketing: And it doesn't cover anything otherthen T_V_ ,Project Manager: Right .Marketing: so I'd probably give it a three .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Even though it is {disfmarker} for just a T_V_ remote it's uh very advanced .But it is just a T_V_ remote .Project Manager: Yeah . I'd go for a three or four on that one , so {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah I go four .Project Manager: okay , let's go for a three point five .User Interface:{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Three and an half .Project Manager: Alright , and the last criteria {disfmarker} is it is it um {disfmarker}User Interface: Squishy and fruity .Marketing: {vocalsound} Wellyeah , so I'd give it a two .Project Manager: Well , we've covered that with theUser Interface: It's just trendy , basically .Project Manager: trendy . Sure . Capable . Very capable .Industrial Designer: It's capable of beingsquishy and fruity .Marketing: Oh , it's very capable of being squishy and fruity .User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay .Project Manager: And {vocalsound} it's very important . 'Kay , there we go .Marketing: Yeah .ProjectManager: So .Marketing: Okay , next .Project Manager: Next . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} So um our re model slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie appears to be a winner ,Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: and uh hopefully we'll sell millions . Good job , team . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} How did you get that in there ?User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} What ?Industrial Designer: The {vocalsound} slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie .Project Manager: {vocalsound} It does .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: It {vocalsound} it does . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} That was good .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Very good .Marketing: Thanks .Project Manager: Alright , let's go backto this {disfmarker} {vocalsound} No , that's it . Hmm . Oops . Okay , so now uh we're moving on to finance , okay . I'm gonna show you an Excel spreadsheet and we're going to fill it in together based on whatcomponents we're including in our remote and see if it's under twelve fifty Euro . If so , we can proceed , if not , we need to go back to the drawing board a little bit . 'Kay ? So let me bring that up . Here we go . Alright .Um it's not hand dynamo , it's powered by battery , so we give it a {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yep .Marketing: Two .Project Manager: Number of components you plan to use . Do I just put quantity being onebattery , or {disfmarker} Yeah .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Mm 'kay .Project Manager: But if it's a {disfmarker} do you wanna go for {disfmarker} this is where we need to make a final call on if it's a lithiumor do we wanna go triple A_s , 'cause triple A_s we're gonna have t do more than one battery . Oh , let's just go for a lithium . What do you say ?Industrial Designer: Yeah ,User Interface: {vocalsound} {gap}{vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah , let's let's do a lithium .Project Manager: {vocalsound} I think uh I think the people who purchase this are gonna be technologicallyIndustrial Designer: it's {gap} .Marketing: We're gonthat's gon Nologically advanced ,Project Manager: {disfmarker} right .Marketing: yeah .Project Manager: Okay , down to the electronics um section . We're gonna need this kind , correct , if we do the voice sensor,Industrial Designer: Yep .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: so one of those . It is a single-curved , so one of those .Marketing: Uh {gap} .Project Manager: Oh . What's that ? Yeah , that's correct .Marketing: Yeah.Project Manager: 'Kay , down here , case material .User Interface: It's plastic .Marketing: We {disfmarker}Project Manager: Plastic .Marketing: plastic .User Interface: And special colour .Marketing: And special colour.Project Manager: 'Kay . {vocalsound} Down here , interface type . We're gonna have the integrated scroll scroll wheel .User Interface: No , we don't have the scroll .Project Manager: Isn't {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Project Manager: oh those are just regular buttons .Industrial Designer: Well , that's the push-button too , right there .User Interface: Buttons .Marketing: But it's {disfmarker} Yeah ,ProjectManager: This ?Marketing: but i so iIndustrial Designer: Integrated scroll-wheel or push-button .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: We're really having just push-button interface .Project Manager: Okay ,so we can just go {disfmarker} um .Marketing: But will we w actually we'll need two , won't we ? One for the top and then one for the s one e for each side .Industrial Designer: But it {disfmarker} that just covers thetype of button we're having . Because we're not doing a scroll on the side , it's still push-button .User Interface: Oh like the {disfmarker} twenty nine means like you have both scrolls andIndustrial Designer:Push-button .Project Manager: Right I think she's {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: But we just have pushUser Interface: push-buttons .Marketing: Okay .User Interface: But we don't have any scrolls .Project Manager:I think what Courtney's talking about is do we need to put two here ?Marketing: Like because there's like one interface right here and then {disfmarker} because it's not gonna be on the same plane when you press thebutton .Project Manager: Right .Marketing: There's gonna have to be additional signals on the sides .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Okay .Marketing: So is that gonna be an extra one on each side ?Project Manager: I don'tknow , they might put us {disfmarker} well , let's just .User Interface: Two interfaces , is that what w should we s say ?Project Manager: Two or would it be three ?Industrial Designer: Let's call it thMarketing: Or three ,because of one on each side and one on top .User Interface: Okay , fine . Yeah .Marketing: I mean it's fine 'cause it comes out the same as twenty nine . Well less than twenty nine even .Project Manager:OkayIndustrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: and we're gonna {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: button supplements {disfmarker} the buttons are no uh okay .Marketing: They're a specialcolour . Um they're uh they're a special form , 'cause they're indented .Project Manager: Are they ? Oh , right .User Interface: And then sMarketing: And , they're a special material .User Interface: yeah .ProjectManager: Mm . Well , we're under cost then . Alright .User Interface: We're over ?Project Manager: No , we're under .Industrial Designer: Grand .Marketing: We're under .Project Manager: Twelve point five is our limit.User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: We've got eleven point two .User Interface: Oh , I see .Project Manager: Alright .Industrial Designer: So we can go to production .Project Manager: We can go to {disfmarker} Idunno what I just did . {vocalsound} Okay . Now we're gonna talk about the project process um and whether or not we're satisfied with the whole process and the result . Um did we have a lot of room for creativity ?Did we have a lot of room for individual leadership , um teamwork , and the means , meaning the technology that we used to produce our little guy there , and if we found any new ideas . Now , question is , how do wedo this ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Go back .Marketing: {vocalsound} I think we just discuss it .Project Manager: Discuss , sure .Industrial Designer: Previous .Project Manager: Alright . Whowant who would like to go first ?Industrial Designer: We think we got stifled for cri {vocalsound} creativity by the company itself , in restricting us only to using a T_V_ remote , initially .User Interface: We didn't have awhiteboard .Project Manager: Hmm . Hmm .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Oh that's true .User Interface: And no internet .Marketing: Yeah . {vocalsound} No , yeah , that's a good point . 'Cause I'd forgotten thatthat wasn't our decision , yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} And how did you feel about the whole the whole process though ?Marketing: Oh , overall I mean I thought we did a good job like {disfmarker}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Marketing: We got to choose {disfmarker} basically we had control over {disfmarker} minus it being just merely a T_V_ remote we got to choose what we wanted to do with it .Project Manager:Right , and we got say over what {disfmarker} how technologically advanced it should be and also how fashionable , which I kind of like {disfmarker}Marketing: And we're a fashion forward technology company .ProjectManager: we {disfmarker} yep . You know it .Industrial Designer: {gap} right .Project Manager: Um what about um the teamwork aspect ? How did you guys enjoy making the model , the prototype ?Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: I think we did well .Project Manager: I think ya' did . Did you work well together in there , and {disfmarker}User Interface: Yep .{vocalsound}Project Manager: 'kay .Industrial Designer: Well , no , there was there was scratching and fighting , but {disfmarker} no {vocalsound} .Marketing: Minus that one fight .User Interface: {vocalsound}Gouges .Project Manager: Oh my God ,Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: and we've all been a pretty congenial team here , I think .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: We hadn't had any ma fallings out.User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah . I mean minus you guys being wha what is it , the survey , annoying or what is it ?Project Manager: {vocalsound} Irritating .Industrial Designer: Irritating .{vocalsound}User Interface: Irritating .Marketing: Irritating , yeah . Wow that's a {disfmarker} it's definitely a strong one .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: The means , the whiteboard didn't work .{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: And no internet .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: I have to knock that one down a couple notches .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} A and ourfriend here really feels strongly about the internet . {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah , and no internet .User Interface: Misses . I do .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: There's so much available .Marketing:And the digital the digital pensUser Interface: Like it's informationProject Manager: Yeah , digital pens .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I really appreciated those , yeah .Marketing: were {disfmarker} they werepretty cool .Project Manager: They were fine .Marketing: Yeah they were fun , even though I'm not really sure what I could do with them , but they are awesome . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: The use of thelaptops for receiving everything .Project Manager: Right , laptops are extremely handy ,Industrial Designer: It was wireless too , so .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: wireless . And that we have a shared networkwhere we can put all of the {disfmarker}Marketing: And these things whoa .Industrial Designer: And let's not forget the sexy dual microphones everyone gets to wear .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah . And BigBrother .Project Manager: Big brother .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay , have we found any new ideas through this process ?Marketing: Um we arereally gonna sell this .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Ta-da .Project Manager: For something that looks cool and also has what I want it to b do technologically .User Interface: Yeah .ProjectManager: And that's your right brain taking over , w wanting the artistic , the fashionable , the hip , you know .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: If we all just went out and bought useful things , I don't think


Professor E: Let 's see . Test ? Test ? Yeah . OK .Grad A: Hello ?PhD B: Channel one .Grad A: Hello ?PhD C: Test .Professor E: I was saying Hynek 'll be here next week , uh , Wednesday through Friday {disfmarker} uh ,through Saturday , and , um , I won't be here Thursday and Friday . But my suggestion is that , uh , at least for this meeting , people should go ahead , uh , cuz Hynek will be here , and , you know , we don't have anyCzech accent yet , uh , {vocalsound} as far as I know , so {disfmarker} There we go .PhD F: OK .Professor E: Um . So other than reading digits , what 's our agenda ?PhD F: I don't really have , uh , anything new .Been working on {pause} Meeting Recorder stuff . So .Professor E: OK . Um . Do you think that would be the case for next week also ? Or is {disfmarker} is , uh {disfmarker} ? What 's your projection on {disfmarker}?PhD F: Um .Professor E: Cuz the one thing {disfmarker} the one thing that seems to me we really should try , if you hadn't tried it before , because it hadn't occurred to me {disfmarker} it was sort of an obvious thing{disfmarker} is , um , adjusting the , uh , sca the scaling and , uh , insertion penalty sorta stuff .PhD F: I did play with that , actually , a little bit . Um . What happens is , uh , {vocalsound} when you get to the noisystuff , you start getting lots of insertions .Professor E: Right .PhD F: And , um , so I 've tried playing around a little bit with , um , the insertion penalties and things like that .Professor E: Yeah .PhD F: Um . I mean , it{disfmarker} it didn't make a whole lot of difference . Like for the well - matched case , it seemed like it was pretty good . Um . {vocalsound} I could do more playing with that , though . And , uh {disfmarker}ProfessorE: But you were looking at mel cepstrum .PhD F: and see . Yes .Professor E: Right .PhD F: Oh , you 're talking about for th {vocalsound} for our features .Professor E: Right . So , I mean , i it it 's not the direction thatyou were working with that we were saying what 's the {disfmarker} uh , what 's the best you can do with {disfmarker} with mel cepstrum . But , they raised a very valid point ,PhD F: Mmm .Professor E: which , Iguess {disfmarker} So , to first order {disfmarker} I mean , you have other things you were gonna do , but to first order , I would say that the conclusion is that if you , um , do , uh , some monkeying around with , uh, the exact HTK training and @ @ {comment} with , uh , you know , how many states and so forth , that it {disfmarker} it doesn't particularly improve the performance . In other words , that even though it soundspretty dumb , just applying the same number of states to everything , more or less , no matter what language , isn't so bad . Right ? And I guess you hadn't gotten to all the experiments you wanted to do with numberof Gaussians ,PhD F: Right .Professor E: but , um , let 's just {disfmarker} If we had to {disfmarker} if we had to draw a conclusion on the information we have so far , we 'd say something like that . Right ?PhD F: Mm -hmm .Professor E: Uh , so the next question to ask , which is I think the one that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that Andreas was dre addressing himself to in the lunch meeting , is , um , we 're not supposed toadjust the back - end , but anybody using the system would .PhD F: Yeah .Professor E: So , if you were just adjusting the back - end , how much better would you do , uh , in noise ? Uh , because the language scalingand insertion penalties and so forth are probably set to be about right for mel cepstrum .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor E: But , um , they 're probably not at all set right for these things , particularly these things thatlook over , uh , larger time windows , in one way or another with {disfmarker} with LDA and KLT and neural nets and {vocalsound} all these things . In the fa past we 've always found that we had to increase theinsertion penalty to {disfmarker} to correspond to such things . So , I think that 's , uh , @ @ {comment} that 's kind of a first - order thing that {disfmarker} that we should try .PhD F: So for th so the experiment is to, um , run our front - end like normal , with the default , uh , insertion penalties and so forth , and then tweak that a little bit and see how much of a difference it makesProfessor E: So by " our front - end " I mean take, you know , the Aurora - two s take some version that Stephane has that is , you know , our current best version of something .PhD F: if we were {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .Professor E: Um . I mean , y don't wanna dothis over a hundred different things that they 've tried but , you know , for some version that you say is a good one . You know ? Um . How {disfmarker} how much , uh , does it improve if you actually adjust that ?PhDF: OK .Professor E: But it is interesting . You say you {disfmarker} you have for the noisy {disfmarker} How about for the {disfmarker} for the mismatched or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} or the{disfmarker} or the medium mismatched conditions ? Have you {disfmarker} ? When you adjusted those numbers for mel cepstrum , did it {disfmarker} ?PhD F: Uh , I {disfmarker} I don't remember off the top of myhead . Um . Yeah . I didn't even write them down . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't remember . I would need to {disfmarker} Well , I did write down , um {disfmarker} So , when I was doing {disfmarker} I justwrote down some numbers for the well - matched case .Professor E: Yeah .PhD F: Um . Looking at the {disfmarker} I wrote down what the deletions , substitutions , and insertions were , uh , for different numbers ofstates per phone .Professor E: Yeah .PhD F: Um , but , uh , that {disfmarker} that 's all I wrote down .Professor E: OK .PhD F: So . I {disfmarker} I would {disfmarker} Yeah . I would need to do that .Professor E: OK .So {disfmarker}PhD F: I can do that for next week .Professor E: Yeah . And , um {disfmarker} Yeah . Also , eh , eh , sometimes if you run behind on some of these things , maybe we can get someone else to do it andyou can supervise or something . But {disfmarker} but I think it would be {disfmarker} it 'd be good to know that .PhD F: OK . I just need to get , um , {vocalsound} front - end , uh , stuff from youPhD B: Hmm .PhDF: or you point me to some files {pause} that you 've already calculated .PhD B: Yeah . Alright .Professor E: OK . Uh .PhD F: I probably will have time to do that and time to play a little bit with the silence model.Professor E: Mm - hmm .PhD F: So maybe I can have that for next week when Hynek 's here .Professor E: Yeah .PhD B: Mm - hmm .Professor E: Yeah . Cuz , I mean , the {disfmarker} the other {disfmarker} That , infact , might have been part of what , uh , the difference was {disfmarker} at least part of it that {disfmarker} that we were seeing . Remember we were seeing the SRI system was so much better than the tandemsystem .PhD F: Hmm .Professor E: Part of it might just be that the SRI system , they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they always adjust these things to be sort of optimized ,PhD F: Is there {disfmarker} ?Professor E:and {disfmarker}PhD F: I wonder if there 's anything that we could do {vocalsound} to the front - end that would affect the insertion {disfmarker}Professor E: Yes . I think you can .PhD F: What could you do ?ProfessorE: Well , um {disfmarker} uh , part of what 's going on , um , is the , uh , the range of values . So , if you have something that has a much smaller range or a much larger range , and taking the appropriate root .PhD F:Oh . Mm - hmm .Professor E: You know ? If something is kind of like the equivalent of a bunch of probabilities multiplied together , you can take a root of some sort . If it 's like seven probabilities together , you cantake the seventh root of it or something , or if it 's in the log domain , divide it by seven .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor E: But {disfmarker} but , um , that has a similar effect because it changes the scale of the numbers{disfmarker} of the differences between different candidates from the acoustic modelPhD F: Oh , right .Professor E: as opposed to what 's coming from the language model .PhD F: So that w Right . So , in effect , that's changing the value of your insertion penalty .Professor E: Yeah . I mean , it 's more directly like the {disfmarker} the language scaling or the , uh {disfmarker} the model scaling or acoustic scaling ,PhD F: That 'sinteresting .Professor E: but you know that those things have kind of a similar effect to the insertion penaltyPhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor E: anyway . They 're a slightly different way of {disfmarker} of handling it .PhDF: Right .Professor E: So , um {disfmarker}PhD F: So if we know what the insertion penalty is , then we can get an idea about what range our number should be in ,Professor E: I think so .PhD F: so that they {pause}match with that .Professor E: Yeah . Yeah . So that 's why I think that 's another reason other than curiosity as to why i it would in fact be kinda neat to find out if we 're way off . I mean , the other thing is , are aren'twe seeing {disfmarker} ? Y yPhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor E: I 'm sure you 've already looked at this bu in these noisy cases , are {disfmarker} ? We are seeing lots of insertions . Right ? The insertion number is quitehigh ?PhD B: Yeah .Professor E: I know the VAD takes pre care of part of that ,PhD F: Yeah .PhD B: Yeah .Professor E: but {disfmarker}PhD F: I 've seen that with the mel cepstrum . I don't {disfmarker} I don't knowabout {pause} the Aurora front - end , but {disfmarker}PhD B: I think it 's much more balanced with , uh {disfmarker} when the front - end is more robust . Yeah . I could look at it {disfmarker} at this . Yeah . Mm -hmm .Professor E: Yeah . Wha - what 's a typical number ?PhD B: I don't {disfmarker} I don't know .Professor E: Do we {disfmarker} ? Oh , you {disfmarker} oh , you don't know .PhD B: I don't have this in{disfmarker}Professor E: OK . I 'm sure it 's more balanced ,PhD B: Mm - hmm .Professor E: but it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it wouldn't surprise me if there 's still {disfmarker}PhD B: Mm - hmm .Professor E: Imean , in {disfmarker} in the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the old systems we used to do , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} uh , I remember numbers kind of like insertions being half the number of deletions , as being{disfmarker} and both numbers being {disfmarker} tend to be on the small side comparing to {disfmarker} to , uh , substitutions .PhD B: Mm - hmm .PhD F: Well , this {disfmarker} the whole problem with insertionswas what I think , um , we talked about when the guy from OGI came down {pause} that one time and {disfmarker} and that was when people were saying , well we should have a , uh , uh , voice activity detector{disfmarker}Professor E: Right .PhD F: that , because all that stuff {comment} that we 're getting thr the silence that 's getting through is causing insertions . So .PhD B: Mmm .Professor E: Right .PhD F: I 'll bet youthere 's still a lot {vocalsound} of insertions .PhD B: Mm - hmm .Professor E: Yeah . And it may be less of a critical thing . I mean , the fact that some get by may be less of a critical thing if you , uh , get things in theright range .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor E: So , I mean , the insertions is {disfmarker} is a symptom . It 's a symptom that there 's something , uh , wrong with the range .PhD F: Right .Professor E: But there 's{disfmarker} uh , your {disfmarker} your {disfmarker} your substitutions tend to go up as well . So , uh , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think that ,PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor E: uh , the most obvious thing is justthe insertions , @ @ . But {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker} um . If you 're operating in the wrong range {disfmarker} I mean , that 's why just in general , if you {vocalsound} change what these {disfmarker} thesepenalties and scaling factors are , you reach some point that 's a {disfmarker} that 's a minimum . So . Um . Um . We do have to do well over a range of different conditions , some of which are noisier than others . Um. But , um , I think we may get a better handle on that if we {disfmarker} if we see {disfmarker} Um , I mean we ca it 's if we actually could pick a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a more stable value for the range ofthese features , it , um , uh , could {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker} Even though it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's true that in a real situation you can in fact adjust the {disfmarker} these {disfmarker} thesescaling factors in the back - end , and it 's ar artificial here that we 're not adjusting those , you certainly don't wanna be adjusting those all the time . And if you have a nice front - end that 's in roughly the right range{disfmarker}PhD F: Hmm .Professor E: I remember after we got our stuff more or less together in the previous systems we built , that we tended to set those scaling factors at kind of a standard level , and we wouldrarely adjust them again , even though you could get a {disfmarker}PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor E: for an evaluation you can get an extra point or something if you tweaked it a little bit . But , once we knew what rouroughly the right operating range was , it was pretty stable , and {disfmarker} Uh , we might just not even be in the right operating range .PhD F: So , would the {disfmarker} ? Uh , would a good idea be to try to mapit into the same range that you get in the well - matched case ? So , if we computed what the range was in well - matched , and then when we get our noisy conditions out we try to make it have the same range as{disfmarker} ?Professor E: No . You don't wanna change it for different conditions . No . No . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} What {disfmarker} what I 'm saying {disfmarker}PhD F: Oh , I wasn'tsuggesting change it for different conditions . I was just saying that when we pick a range , we {disfmarker} we wanna pick a range that we map our numbers into {disfmarker}Professor E: Yeah .PhD F: we shouldprobably pick it based on the range that we get in the well - matched case . Otherwise , I mean , what range are we gonna choose to {disfmarker} to map everything into ?Professor E: Well . It depends how much wewanna do gamesmanship and how much we wanna do {disfmarker} I mean , i if he it {disfmarker} to me , actually , even if you wanna be {disfmarker} play on the gamesmanship side , it can be kinda tricky . So , Imean , what you would do is set the {disfmarker} set the scaling factors , uh , so that you got the best number for this point four five times the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you know , and so on .PhD F: Mm - hmm.Professor E: But they might change that {disfmarker} those weightings .PhD F: Yeah .Professor E: Um . So {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker} I just sorta think we need to explore the space . Just take a look at it a little bit.PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor E: And we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we may just find that {disfmarker} that we 're way off .PhD F: OK . Mm - hmm .Professor E: Maybe we 're not . You know ? As for these otherthings , it may turn out that , uh , {vocalsound} it 's kind of reasonable . But then {disfmarker} I mean , Andreas gave a very reasonable response , and he 's probably not gonna be the only one who 's gonna say thisin the future {disfmarker} of , you know , people {disfmarker} people within this tight - knit community who are doing this evaluation {vocalsound} are accepting , uh , more or less , that these are the rules . But ,people outside of it who look in at the broader picture are certainly gonna say " Well , wait a minute . You 're doing all this standing on your head , uh , on the front - end ,PhD F: Yeah .Professor E: when all you could dois just adjust this in the back - end with one s one knob . "PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor E: And so we have to at least , I think , determine that that 's not true , which would be OK , or determine that it is true , in whichcase we want to adjust that and then continue with {disfmarker} with what we 're doing . And as you say {disfmarker} as you point out {disfmarker} finding ways to then compensate for that in the front - end{vocalsound} also then becomes a priority for this particular test ,PhD F: Right .Professor E: and saying you don't have to do that .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor E: So . OK . So , uh {disfmarker} What 's new with you?PhD B: Uh . So there 's nothing {pause} new . Um .Professor E: Uh , what 's old with you that 's developed ?PhD B: I 'm sorry ?Professor E: You {disfmarker} OK . What 's old with you that has developed over the lastweek or two ?PhD B: Mmm . Well , so we 've been mainly working on the report and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} Yeah .PhD F: Mainly working on what ?PhD B: On the report {pause} of the work that was alreadydone .PhD F: Oh .PhD B: Um . Mm - hmm . That 's all .PhD F: How about that {disfmarker} ? Any - anything new on the thing that , uh , you were working on with the , uh {disfmarker} ?PhD C: I don't have results yet.PhD F: No results ? Yeah .Professor E: What was that ?PhD F: The {disfmarker} the , uh ,Grad A: Voicing thing .PhD F: voicing detector .Professor E: I mean , what what 's {disfmarker} what 's going on now ? Whatare you {pause} doing ?PhD C: Uh , to try to found , nnn , robust feature for detect between voice and unvoice . And we {disfmarker} w we try to use {vocalsound} the variance {vocalsound} of the es differencebetween the FFT spectrum and mel filter bank spectrum .Professor E: Yeah .PhD C: Uh , also the {disfmarker} another parameter is {disfmarker} relates with the auto - correlation function .Professor E: Uh - huh .PhDC: R - ze energy and the variance a also of the auto - correlation function .Professor E: Uh - huh . So , that 's {disfmarker} Yeah . That 's what you were describing , I guess , a week or two ago .PhD C: Yeah . But wedon't have res we don't have result of the AURO for Aurora yet .Professor E: So .PhD C: We need to train the neural networkProfessor E: Mm - hmm .PhD C: and {disfmarker}Professor E: So you 're training neuralnetworks now ?PhD C: No , not yet .Professor E: So , what {disfmarker} wha {vocalsound} wh wha what what 's going on ?PhD C: Well , we work in the report , too , because we have a lot of result ,Professor E: Uh -huh .PhD C: they are very dispersed , and was necessary to {disfmarker} to look in all the directory to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to give some more structure .PhD B: YeaProfessor E: So . B So {disfmarker} Yeah . Iif I can summarize , basically what 's going on is that you 're going over a lot of material that you have generated in furious fashion , f generating many results and doing many experiments and trying to pull it togetherinto some coherent form to be able to see wha see what happens .PhD C: Hm - hmm .PhD B: Uh , y yeah . Basically we we 've stopped , uh , experimenting ,Professor E: Yes ?PhD B: I mean . We 're just writing somekind of technical report . And {disfmarker}PhD F: Is this a report that 's for Aurora ? Or is it just like a tech report for ICSI ,PhD C: No .PhD B: Yeah .PhD C: For ICSI .PhD F: or {disfmarker} ? Ah . I see .PhD B: Yeah.PhD C: Just summary of the experiment and the conclusion and something like that .Professor E: Yeah .PhD B: Mm - hmm .Professor E: OK . So , my suggestion , though , is that you {disfmarker} you not necessarilyfinish that . But that you put it all together so that it 's {disfmarker} you 've got {disfmarker} you 've got a clearer structure to it . You know what things are , you have things documented , you 've looked things upthat you needed to look up .PhD B: Mm - hmm .Professor E: So that , you know {disfmarker} so that such a thing can be written . And , um {disfmarker} When {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when do you leaveagain ?PhD C: Uh , in July . First of July .Professor E: First of July ? OK . And that you figure on actually finishing it in {disfmarker} in June . Because , you know , you 're gonna have another bunch of results to fit inthere anyway .PhD B: Mm - hmm .PhD C: Mm - hmm .Professor E: And right now it 's kind of important that we actually go forward with experiments .PhD C: It 's not .Professor E: So {disfmarker} so , I {disfmarker} Ithink it 's good to pause , and to gather everything together and make sure it 's in good shape , so that other people can get access to it and so that it can go into a report in June . But I think {vocalsound} to{disfmarker} to really work on {disfmarker} on fine - tuning the report n at this point is {disfmarker} is probably bad timing , I {disfmarker} I {pause} think .PhD B: Mm - hmm . Yeah . Well , we didn't {disfmarker}we just planned to work on it one week on this report , not {disfmarker} no more , anyway . Um .Professor E: But you ma you may really wanna add other things later anywayPhD B: Yeah . Mm - hmm .Professor E:because you {disfmarker}PhD B: Mmm .Professor E: There 's more to go ?PhD B: Yeah . Well , so I don't know . There are small things that we started to {disfmarker} to do . But {disfmarker}PhD F: Are youdiscovering anything , uh , that makes you scratch your head as you write this report , like why did we do that , or why didn't we do this ,PhD B: Uh .PhD F: or {disfmarker} ?PhD B: Yeah . Yeah . And {disfmarker}


Project Manager: So we come again for the the second meeting .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Uh for the aim of this meeting now is to to make presentation about uh the work for each one .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: And {gap} take the the decision about the the design and the functionality of the the remote control .User Interface: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: And we have{disfmarker} think I got a new project requirement .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: So I think uh teletext becomes outdated . So the popularity of the {disfmarker} since the popularity of the internet,Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: and I think we don't need lighting adaptive , so the remote control should be only used for the the television . And of course we should have our image {gap} in the in thedesign . So , let's start with the the industrial designer .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {gap} .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah , alright .Project Manager: Or y you can use thewhiteboard if you want .Industrial Designer: So uh {disfmarker} Well I have a PowerPoint pr presentation stored in my in my personal folderProject Manager: Here .Industrial Designer: so I I I think you can reach itfrom here .Marketing: Just go to explorer .Project Manager: Oh okay .Marketing: Or open . Participant two .Industrial Designer: Participant two .Project Manager: This one .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Open uh.Industrial Designer: Uh open . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Do you want to open {disfmarker}User Interface: Because it's open you mean . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Right , so um I will talk about the the w working design and {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} F_ five .Marketing: Slide show , view slide show , {gap} .Project Manager: Ah .Industrial Designer:And um well I I will present my my first idea on how to build the {disfmarker} our new remote control for television .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So uh can you go one page down , please . So Ithink the first things to do is to define the hardware components neededs to achieve uh what we want to do .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So uh mm I'm thin uh {vocalsound} I think uh I I'll do asurvey about what is uh what is available on the market and what what is the the cheapest possible {vocalsound} things we hav we can use . Then uh I will try with the technical team to to build a prototype and to seeuh with uh h how this little box {vocalsound} would uh look look like .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And how an and we can uh start troubleshooting first uh com communication problems or thingslike that .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And when we are ready with this first prototype I I think we can add some software functionalities on a programmable chip like browsing by content or umthings like that . Okay so can you go down uh {disfmarker} So , wha what I think {vocalsound} for now {vocalsound} is {vocalsound} we don't want to have a remote control w which is wiredUser Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: so uh I think we u we can use a battery for the {gap} . Then two programmable chips for both software functionalities and communication . And thecommunication with the T_V_ set is uh made through uh infrared communication So uh this is the {vocalsound} the schema of the {vocalsound} o of the future uh remote controlsUser Interface: Did you draw it ?{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Wow . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: so uh you can you can see the components , uh battery and uh the two chips goes to the infrared uhconnection to the T_V_ set .User Interface: This {gap} .Project Manager: This {disfmarker}User Interface: What is the other chip for ? The one on top .Industrial Designer: The one on top is for the um {disfmarker}well the functionali the functionalitiesUser Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: One is a communication .Industrial Designer: and the the th red um {disfmarker} sorry the green one is is to {disfmarker} well , puttingthings together , um f transform the data into uh qu into the format to to {gap} uh to communicate with the T_V_ set .User Interface: For men . To the {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Okay .IndustrialDesigner: And , that's it . I think we should use a F_P_G_A_ for {vocalsound} for the functionalities which is easy to to tUser Interface: Mm . What is F_P_G_A_ ?Industrial Designer: It's field programmable uhsomething array .Marketing: {vocalsound} Gateway arrays .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: It's a field programmable gateway arrays .User Interface: So why's it {disfmarker} how is it differentfrom the Bluetooth ?Industrial Designer: Well , uh a F_P_G_A_ is just a chip you can uh you can {gap} pr programme it uh wi with wh whatever you want .User Interface: Yeah . Programme it .Marketing: Yeah {gap}.User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: And uh well the Bluetooth chip is just responsible to uh make the communication uh between uh the two devices .User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker} So thisare the {disfmarker} they have to work together ? Or ? Do they have to work together or two separate choice {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: No . Well , th the F_P_G_A_ will produce the the data to send .UserInterface: Okay .Marketing: Or it's something like {disfmarker} isn't hardware the first one ? And the second one is for the software .User Interface: Is the is the software par alri okay .Industrial Designer: Yeah.Marketing: Yeah to run th to make it run .User Interface: Okay , okay .Marketing: That's it .User Interface: So you can control {gap} if you want , right ?Industrial Designer: Yeah {vocalsound} .Marketing: No.Industrial Designer: Alright and that's it for the working design .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So if you have any questions ?User Interface: Mm .Marketing: Okay , and how about the battery power? Uh you mean that battery would be somewhere there and the remote contro the power to the battery comes through infrared ?Industrial Designer: Uh no no no no , I think uh we have uh to to uh have uh embeddeduh b batteries in in the {disfmarker}Project Manager: {gap} .Marketing: Into the {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: yeah into the t .Marketing: more compact and uh {disfmarker} okay , {gap}Industrial Designer: Yeah, yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And uh I I don't think it will need um {vocalsound} very uh much power to make it run , so {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} Mm . Mm .Marketing:Yeah , yeah . Okay .User Interface: Mm . You can put it on the charger when uh you when you don't need to use it .Industrial Designer: Yeah . It's a good idea .Marketing: Yeah , that's right .User Interface: Yeah.Marketing: Having a charger rather than putting the battery cells always .User Interface: Yeah , yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: People don't like it to have to buy the batteries when they run out .UserInterface: Yeah . Mm . Uh {disfmarker} mm .Marketing: We just make a small chargerUser Interface: Y yeah , yeah .Marketing: and put it {disfmarker}Project Manager: You can i yeah .User Interface: Because you areusing because you are using Bluetooth , if some people have P_D_A_ they can use their P_D_A_ to control the T_V_ if they want to , right ?Industrial Designer: That's a good idea .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: MaIndustrial Designer: Also , but but {vocalsound} I I I think uh the the goal is to sell our remote {vocalsound} control .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} I dunno .{vocalsound}Marketing: Bu {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah we can change the b {gap} .Marketing: Our remote ,Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: we do not want to make it P_D_A_ . {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} S {vocalsound} okay , so charger for {gap} is the {gap} .Project Manager: Um .User Interface: {vocalsound} So is mine .Project Manager: It's mine .Participant one , no ?User Interface: Oh . Yeah , this your {disfmarker}Project Manager: Mm . Oh we have {gap} so let's move to to user interface design {gap} .User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound} So you can openuh {vocalsound}Project Manager: Participant {disfmarker}User Interface: three . Yeah . {vocalsound} So {disfmarker} So I'm working on the technical functions design . {gap} can you show the next slide . So the thepurpose is to to find uh the important questions to ask is what effect should the apparatus have . So {vocalsound} so I found on a webs on the internetProject Manager: {vocalsound} During the weekend .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} {disfmarker} yeah . {vocalsound} I spent a lot of time searching {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: That's good . {vocalsound}UserInterface: and uh and I found that uh the function of remote control is to send messages to television set .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface:{vocalsound} For example switch on , switch off , switch the next channel and so on and so on .Marketing: GUser Interface: So I found two very good prototypes for {vocalsound} for this interface from ourcompetitorsIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: so can you {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: This are usual functionality {gap} .User Interface: Yeah , yeah ,yeah . Ours is a bit uh different . So these are two example . One is from {vocalsound} {gap} the other one is from , yeah , uh engineering centr yeah .Project Manager: Tasks .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}UserInterface: This is the most competing prototypes I've found {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: But then uh loo but then I found if you look at {disfmarker} you see on the left one there aretoo many buttons {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: And they are small {gap} .User Interface: Yeah . O on the right I tried to play with {vocalsound} the problem is that uh if I havehundred channels I have uh I have to choo press the other button to choose the hundred channels and I have to compose the numberIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: so it's very lousy .ProjectManager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound} So you {vocalsound} so you move to the next the next one .Industrial Designer: Of course .User Interface: Yeah , so I talk about the problem . And then I I look at theuser manual they are a hundred pages thick , so we don't want that .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound} So I propose the easy to use uh prototype . You can navigate on T_V_ screen and we can{gap} the user's preference and we need to have the T_V_ connected to internet so we end {disfmarker} in order to access the T_V_ programmes by X_M_L_ and we need some {disfmarker} to do some preprocessing. From the technical aspect , the processing should be done on the T_V_ set than on the {vocalsound} on the remote controller , right ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} And then we{disfmarker} the speech recognition as uh Harry says we may just put in {disfmarker} we may K_I_V_ .Project Manager: What do you mean by the pa pa processing will be done on the T_V_User Interface: Yeah , allthe processing is done {disfmarker} the T_V_ is a compu has some processing power the {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager: than the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} So we have to tProjectManager: So we should have specific T_V_ ? Or ? We can use this .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: We have to sell a T_V_ with the remote control too . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah , we don't{vocalsound} {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah because {disfmarker} {vocalsound} are you just wondering what controller {disfmarker} okay .Project Manager: Yeah , I think so. J j just the remote control .Marketing: Yeah , not the T_V_s .Industrial Designer: I think there there is there is al there there is a a technology like show view who is already available on most of the T_V_ set onrecorders or thing like thatUser Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: and we can try t to get this information on to the remote control to to do the processing on the remote control because {disfmarker}User Interface:Okay .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound} Okay .Marketing: Yeah , that's right .Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: So i the processing on on the remote controller {disfmarker}Project Manager:Yeah ,User Interface: so it can u be used in any T_V_ , any conventional T_V_ sets ?Project Manager: we {gap} . Yeah .User Interface: Mm . Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Speech recognition .User Interface: Nyeah , that's all . The next one ? So I come up with a simple design , just keep the v navigation buttons . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yes , that's a good idea , I think .Project Manager: Keep thenavigationIndustrial Designer: We d we don't we we don't need really much buttons to {disfmarker} i if we have a screen to navigate on on the T_V_ so uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Project Manager: but{disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Well , f four five buttons , it's sufficient .User Interface: Yeah . Mm .Industrial Designer: It's easy to build ,User Interface:{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: it does not consume much power . {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah , that's right .Project Manager: {gap} .User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay , that's all .{vocalsound}Marketing: Oh , but you have a catch there , um assume that um if you want to go to {disfmarker} if you are watching channel two and if you want to go to channel ninety nine , then {vocalsound} .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Well , then y you you go to the main menu and uh you have uh go to channelUser Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer: and then uh you {gap} can {disfmarker}UserInterface: Mm . No , because you choose by channel , so {disfmarker} you choose by T_V_ programIndustrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Uh-huh huh huh huh .Industrial Designer: Maybe you {disfmarker}UserInterface: so you don't have hundred channels to choose from . If you go by channel , you don't have to do that .Industrial Designer: {gap} .Marketing: Mm-hmm hmm hmm .Industrial Designer: {gap} but uh I I thinki i {gap} if you if you want to to make uh {disfmarker} well a a big jump {vocalsound} {gap} but uh well you you have to to have a a a device when you could you could {disfmarker}Marketing: But{disfmarker}Project Manager: So you are {disfmarker}User Interface: Ah . Ah , a big jump .Marketing: Yeah then yeah that's right .User Interface: A mouse or {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Well , not a mouse butuh something that that says more clearly that uh right , left , up , down ,User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: well , the to have the ability to to to write something to the navigator , maybe directly , or{disfmarker}Marketing: Mm hmm hmm . Okay .Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: So ,Marketing: Okay .User Interface: Mm . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: we can think of buttons like in the telephone tosend messages or things like that .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: How the {gap} this remote ?Industrial Designer: But we'll see . {vocalsound}User Interface: Uh it's gonna be small .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah , of course {vocalsound} small .User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yeah . So it'll beep if you wanna find itMarketing: {vocalsound} {gap} too small that it goes under thesofa and we can't find it . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: you just uh shout {disfmarker} y h just {disfmarker} it just has to re respond to you when you look for the device .Marketing: Yeah,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: that's {gap} .User Interface: {vocalsound} I dunno how bu {vocalsound}Marketing: {gap} just {gap} give it a name and we call him .User Interface: {vocalsound} And{gap} responds to you , and {gap} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah , that's right . Yeah , that's right .Industrial Designer: Okay , so uh next presentation {disfmarker}{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Participant four . So Harry .Marketing: Okay , after having the inputs from {vocalsound} industrial design and user interface , I think most of the points whichI want to are already covered here .Industrial Designer: Mm . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: And to find the most interesting features what the users would be interested , then what we havedone is we have put a feedback forms in all the magazines , and the users send the feedbacks , and based on that {disfmarker} These are the findings which we got and {disfmarker} yeah adding of a speech interfaceis always good for a T_V_ remote but the technology {disfmarker} We already know that {disfmarker} as discussed earlier {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Well I I think it will be a , yes , a bit complicated to um makea speech recognisers runs on the small uh tsUser Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: An {vocalsound} it does {gap} how feasible it is .User Interface: I- {vocalsound} mm .But I think if you {gap} to recognise numbers it's a well-studied problem . I if you just recognise uh numbers is a limited {disfmarker} you have limited vocabulary {disfmarker}Marketing: Oh we can put an limitedvocabulary as in the mobile phones .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: We just have the {disfmarker}User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer: And this can allow to choose the the program , for instance without uhadding uh buttonsUser Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: so it's a good idea .Marketing: {gap} it's not going to take much space also . It's going to be very slim .User Interface: Mm . Mm .Marketing: And next onewas the size of the remote control . It has to be of course a very slim and small one . And of course most of the people are interested in if it's less expensive ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Mm .Marketing:so this is an important criteria here is {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} But {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager: But do you think what they sug suggested s possibility {gap} .User Interface:{vocalsound} Mm .Marketing: I mean we have to look for a trade-off .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: The features and the cost .User Interface: {vocalsound} I no {disfmarker} I I think that uh i if we go for qualitypeople may tolerate for high quality and of course comes with uh reasonable cost .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Maybe not less , butthey may be willing to pay little bit more for comfort ,Marketing: Little bit more if it's with extra features .Project Manager: It {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: yeah , extrafeatures .Industrial Designer: Yeah , s s speech is a important extra feature I think {disfmarker}Marketing: Okay .User Interface: Mm . {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: Yeah , yeah . That's right .Project Manager: But isit useful or not u I don't know .Industrial Designer: Well , uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Project Manager: There is {gap} in the {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Marketing: I mean , for a lazy guys they could say nine andthe nine channel comes .User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Or they say movie name {disfmarker} or I don't go for movie names but only for the numbers on the channel , or volume up ,volume down , brightness , contrast .User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: Mm .Marketing: So , I think this should be a good idea , to put this features . And the fourth one was the teletext invarious languages .Industrial Designer: we we just have to find a mean how to to add a m a a a microphone or uh well {disfmarker} yes a microphone into the the remote control , so {disfmarker}Marketing: Mm , Ithink {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I {disfmarker} well {disfmarker}Project Manager: I think i {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: it will be alright . {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} If it's necessary can {disfmarker} you can do that .User Interface: What is the teletext ? Mm .Project Manager: We can integrate small microphone in the remoteIndustrial