Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So we are here for the concept design meeting . So , we will first start by summarizing the mm {vocalsound} the previous meeting andthe decision we've taken . Uh I will take notes during this meeting so uh that you can uh look at my uh folder to see the summary of this meeting afterwards . So each of you will uh show us the various investigationthey've done during uh previous uh hours . We'll then t take decision in concert and then uh uh we will uh define the nest {disfmarker} next task , to have {disfmarker} to be done before the next meeting . So , lasttime we decided to have a simple interface . We also decided to have a wheel to change channel {disfmarker} previous channel button . Channel digit uh buttons should be uh protected by plastic cover or something forthe remote control to look very simple . We have also button for volume , and to switch on off the T_V_ . We have also uh the lightening feature for the remote control to be easy to find , and for fast development andlow cost we have decided to have no L_C_D_ no voice features . So now uh we will have three presentations . So the conceptual specification by Industrial Designer , the specification of the U_I_ by {disfmarker} orU_I_ {vocalsound}User Interface: Abdul al-Hasred is my name .Project Manager: okay . {vocalsound} And uh the last point is uh trend watching by Market Expert . So maybe we can start with uh industrial design . Sothis is the presentation .Industrial Designer: Uh , I_D_ you want ?Project Manager: Maybe I can switch slide uh on your request .Industrial Designer: Yeah . I only v have three slides , so . I just look at the mm{disfmarker} um just this . On some web pages to find some documentationProject Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: and I think a remote control is , as I s mentioned previously , you just have a a very simple chipand the mm the user interface is just done usually by push button and in our case we are using a um a wheel control . So uh uh I was looking basically for that chip , which is uh very very standard , and uh I just lookedfor the wheel sensor and the standard push button . And um {vocalsound} yeah we can change directly .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: In fact I have the number of that element which is very standard forremote control . The push button are usually extremely cheap , but I just have one problem and this is related with the wheel sensor , which seems to be quite expensive .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface:Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: And I think we if we could just talk about that if we really need a wheel sensor or if we can not {disfmarker} if if we could combine something with the push button .Project Manager: Okay.Industrial Designer: Uh a wheel sensor is fifty time the price of a a a push button .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: But is it a significant price on the whole remote control ?User Interface: Mm .Project Manager:Because we can afford up to twelve Euros for the price of the remote control .Industrial Designer: Yeah . YeahProject Manager: So will will will this with uh including all possible things , so buttons , wheel and the chip ,be uh lower than twelve Euros to produce ?Industrial Designer: I I th {vocalsound} But I don't think that uh we should {disfmarker} We should talk about uh the design of the box also which needs some money .UserInterface: Yeah .Project Manager: OkayUser Interface: Also have to say {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: But {disfmarker}User Interface: Did you receive the email about the voice recognition ?Industrial Designer: Umthat's all {vocalsound}User Interface: No ?Project Manager: You received something {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: yeah . I haven't checUser Interface: Yeah . You we uh an email from the manufacturing divisionthat they have basically a voice recognition chip already developed .Project Manager: Hmm .User Interface: Says {disfmarker} Yeah . It says that ri right now they just use it to uh to record uh answers to particularquestions . But I guess it could be {disfmarker}Project Manager: And could it be adapted ?User Interface: I guess it's possible . I mean instead of recording the answers you can just uh record uh something simpler likea command .Project Manager: Okay and there can uh recognize some commands and stuff ?User Interface: Yeah you reco recognize commands and you can record new commands and stuff , so if they already have itas uh as a chipProject Manager: Okay . Yeah .User Interface: then we we could use it .Project Manager: Okay maybe we can just uh listen to this presentation and then take decision later on {disfmarker} according tothose news .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Yeah but I think it's yeah {disfmarker} Sorry , I haven't written my personal references . Um {vocalsound} the I I just want tomention the the problem of the the r wheels sensor which is much more expensive than any push button ,Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: and if we could reduce that . We we have already some good thingsuh with um um with the backlight of the push button .User Interface: Mm-hmm . I have a question about that actually {vocalsound} . Um , what is the purpose of the light ?Industrial Designer: Just to to makesomething which is uh slightly more design that uh a squarey box with a rubber {disfmarker}User Interface: Is {disfmarker}Project Manager: You can easily find the button in the dark or so ?User Interface: But{disfmarker} But in th in the dark uh {disfmarker} Yeah but is going to be always turned on , the light ?Project Manager: It will be turned on when the when the user move the remote control I think , no ?UserInterface: But if you move it then you have it , you don't need to find it .Project Manager: Hmm .User Interface: You can see the buttons better , of course .Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .ProjectManager: Yeah . True .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Actually .User Interface: But if you move it then you have to have some sensor to {disfmarker} when you move it to detect your movement .Industrial Designer: Assoon as you thought to move the the remote control you have the light .User Interface: Yeah , but you need another sensor for that , right ?Industrial Designer: Yeah . Again .User Interface: Yeah {vocalsound} no it'stoo expensive . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I don't think that this is really expensive , but at the end this is plenty of unexpen eh very cheap devices but uh the bill starts to be {disfmarker}User Interface: Okay .Mm . Extra . Yeah , okay . Mm . Yeah , but I expected also the wheel would be cheap but you tell me that it is very expensive so ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} First of all I was thinking to have a a continuouslightUser Interface: yeah .Industrial Designer: and you w when t you you you you press the on button you have the light on your remote control , when you want to turn off your device {disfmarker}User Interface: Mm. Mm-hmm .Project Manager: But it can be uh battery consuming , no ? To have the light always on ?Industrial Designer: Yeah , a little bit . A little bit .User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: Well we will discuss thatafter maybeIndustrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: OkayProject Manager: the other presentations .User Interface: . So uh my one , it uh should be in the shared folder .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: So . Itwas last time I saw it .Project Manager: And it is .User Interface: Okay . So ,Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: {vocalsound} just move to the next slide . {vocalsound} So basically {vocalsound} want very simple, right ? That's the major idea , as simple as possible .Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah .User Interface: So I just look at some current designs uh on the web , of usually more complicated remote controls . And let's look attwo of them because uh th even though they have many buttons they look quite simple . And in our case we just uh reject the buttons what we don't need and it become even simpler .Project Manager: Yeah .UserInterface: Um . {vocalsound} So .Project Manager: And also does it uh fit well in hand ? Because it was uh th your wrist problem with the usage .User Interface: Yeah . Well this these uh these remotes are quite big , sogo to the next page , so . We have all these buttons as you can see , but most of them , we just need the ones in the middle .Project Manager: Yeah {vocalsound} . Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: So ,from the bottom or whatever is there , uh the uh the numbers and then the top , uh until the ten also , this middle part ,Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah .User Interface: and on the left one is exactly the same . So it'sbasically more or less how we would like it , with a big volume control , big channel control , and mute and power , yeah ?Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: These are the basic thing .Project Manager: So it's onlythe central part .User Interface: So basically , w software we will build will look more or less the same as these two .Project Manager: Yeah . With a maybe a more ergonomic design on on the bottom part .UserInterface: Yeah , if you have , for example {vocalsound} {disfmarker} I think that the volume and the buttons that are there on the top are not very easy to reach with your thumb .Project Manager: Yeah .UserInterface: It could be on the right side , for example .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Yeah . Because we don't have these input buttons and this other stuff that they have . And I think that the plastic cover isnot very good uh idea becauseProject Manager: Okay .User Interface: you open it , it can break , you ca you can do various things .Project Manager: Okay . SUser Interface: Uh you just need to put the channelnumbers somewhere a bit out of the way .Project Manager: Okay . Will be down or {disfmarker}User Interface: So that they're separate a bit ,Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: yeah . Uh and it's easy to press theother {disfmarker} the big buttons , but uh , it's not that difficult to press the the channel buttons either . Mm . Yeah , I think that if you put the cover it will be even more difficult for the user .Project Manager: Okay.User Interface: Alright , you won't {disfmarker} yeah . Usually what {disfmarker} I have noticed that people put the plastic cover on things that you normally don't mess with , like buttons for t uh tuning the channelsand stuff like that .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Yeah . That you want to protect a bit . And I think it's uh it's reasonable .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: So , I don't think {disfmarker} Yeah , this isjust the the wheel .Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: We could use the {disfmarker} some wheels can be pushed down , could use the push down of the wheel for the record if we want .Industrial Designer:Mm-hmm .User Interface: Uh so we could just basically use one just wheel and uh user could use just the wheel to do everything with the channels in that case .Project Manager: Yeah . Maybe the wheel will be a{vocalsound} good advantage over our competitors .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Because otherwise it's pretty standard apart the fact that it's very simple . So maybe it's worse to uh to have moreexpense on that's that aspect .Industrial Designer: To s Mm-hmm .User Interface: Yeah , I guess the market researcher will tell us all about that .Project Manager: Okay . So we can move to the {disfmarker} Is thereany question ? For designer of user interface ? {vocalsound} or we can move to the next part , maybe , and discuss afterwards ? Okay .Marketing: Okay , I can go ?Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Can I ?{vocalsound} So now the recent investigation we we have done fo of the remote control um . So , the most important aspect for remote controls is to be fancy look and feel and not current functional look and feel . Andum the second aspect is uh that the remote control should be uh technological innovative .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound} And the third most important aspect is to to {disfmarker} is that the coremote control should be easy to use . So , are things we are we have uh speak about before .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah . And um {disfmarker} so you you can go{disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: after . And there is a fashion watchers in Paris and Milan that have detected the following trends , uh fruits and vegetables will be the most important theme for clothes ,shoes , and furnitures . {vocalsound} So , maybe if our {vocalsound} remote control have to be a fruit form or vegetable form {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: something like that , or{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: I support an apple .Marketing: {vocalsound} And the mm the material is expected to be spongy .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Uh I don't know which material{vocalsound} can be spongy ,Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: and if you {disfmarker}Project Manager: This is good also for {disfmarker}User Interface: Well , wou wou I think we can certainly just put theelectronics in a spongy thing ,Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: it it would work , right ?Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: I think itis good also f to have a spongy material , yeah .User Interface: You can throw it to the television .Project Manager: Yeah , because it's robust .Marketing: Okay {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah . Me too.Marketing: It's robust , yeah .User Interface: Hey that's a cool one . We could say that if you throw it , you have a sensor , and you throw it and hits the television and turns it off .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: When it d uh takes a shock .Project Manager: YeahMarketing: {vocalsound} Not good .Project Manager: uh sorry ?Industrial Designer: Ah it's okay . I know thatthey do that for alarm clock also .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: An and and uh this uh you can yeah you can say that . You ca uh you can go uh beforeProject Manager: No . Yeah . Before ?Marketing: , before , yes .And you know here the more iz important aspect is the fancy look and feel , after is uh technological innovative , and after the easy to use .Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . I think it's innovative to use the mm thewheel because I think no one else has .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah that's why {disfmarker}Project Manager: Has it ?Marketing: Yeah that's why I think we have to keep that if it's possible .ProjectManager: Yeah . I think it's {disfmarker} it makes it both easy and both innos innovative .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Innovative . Mm .Project Manager: So I think it's a good aspect and it should be kept.User Interface: How do we make it look cool is the question .Project Manager: Cool , fancy ?User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: We have to make it l look like a fruit or vegetable . {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Maybe uh um {vocalsound} a colour that remember some fruit uh , things like that .Industrial Designer: What about um {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} Mm . Oh, colour , yeah .User Interface: Well the obvious thing is a banana , I guess .Marketing: Oh {disfmarker} i i {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Maybe yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Ithought about a a pear , for example . You know the pear , is like that and it's it's easy to to have in in handProject Manager: Yeah , and it's ergonomic as well .Marketing: and uh {disfmarker} Yeah .Project Manager: Apear .User Interface: The banana is also ergonomic .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah . Maybe pear yeah or something like that .Marketing: Or a fruit like that . I dunno .Project Manager: Yeah . We candiscuss that uh . D D Is is there anything you want to add ?User Interface: Is there any fruit that is spongy ?Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} I don't think so . I think we we canhave like yeah a pear is good , fit well , or banana as you told .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Something like that .Industrial Designer: And for maybe look and feel , whatabout a a piece of ice , with blue L_E_D_ inside ?Project Manager: But that's not in the trend . {vocalsound} .User Interface: You can make it um {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: The trend isspongy , and vegetable fruits .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah . {vocalsound}User Interface: It's not hard , the metal .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} I think p spongy is good because it it willbe robust as well .Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Plastic . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yep .Project Manager: So , I think we can keep the wheel because it's uheasy , it's innovative , even if the cost is a bit higher ,Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: and we also have to find a , so , a fruit like pear or banana wit uh any others idea you have . What kind of fr fruit wouldyou like to to control your T_V_ with ? {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: OdiIndustrial Designer: Banana I think , it's a nice idea .Project Manager: Banana is also yellow so youyou can't lost your remote control then .Industrial Designer: Because {disfmarker} But {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: You y you don't use thebanana when the banana is curving like that ,User Interface: Two of the button , yeah .Industrial Designer: but when the banana is curving like that , with the wheel on the top and to control ,User Interface: Yeah .Yeah .Industrial Designer: and here you have a a push button to {disfmarker}Marketing: But you don't have {disfmarker}Project Manager: I think it's a good idea , yeah .User Interface: Yeah so you can just have uhjust have this curve , yeah , and you move uh your hand here to press the buttons and then you move uh on the other side .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: So you can have it on ontwo sides and it'll be cool ,Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: no ?Project Manager: I think it's a good design and it's innovative as well then . Maybe we can keep the banana . And it will be very easy to find.Industrial Designer: And everybody knows what is a banana .User Interface: You can put also vibrator inside .Industrial Designer: Basically .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer: If you if you start withuh fancy fruits and fra s and thaUser Interface: Ah-ha . You can also take into account the fact that the banana fits with the colour scheme of our company .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Oh , yeah{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah it's really uh really a good point .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound} I hope the students of management die ,Marketing: {vocalsound}UserInterface: but anyway . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Now who are recording this meeting ?Project Manager: I think it {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} One second . So we have to take somedecision on this aspect . So , uh so for {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: sorry , for uh component , so {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: So {disfmarker}Project Manager: we have to think aboutthose aspects , sorry .Industrial Designer: So we will just use a a standard battery ?Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: And uh the chip we {disfmarker} chip imprint we know exactly which one we are going touse . Uh what do you mean by case ?Project Manager: I think it's the box that should be spongy , banana's shape .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Uh I mean for me if we use a a spongy banana case , doesn't matter.Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I just want to have so something to prin to to fix my my components onto that box , and that's it .User Interface: The only th Yeah . Y Yeah that can be in inside th inthe structure .Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah . Yeah .User Interface: But uh the thing is that the buttons and the wheel have to be {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Spongy also .User Interface: I mean if it's spongythen the buttons and the wheel have to {disfmarker} I mean if it's spongy then it's going to move , right ? So , it's going to be bend a lot .Project Manager: But {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Oh no I think it'spossible .User Interface: So if we try to push the buttons , it {disfmarker}Project Manager: No the button would be {disfmarker}User Interface: You think it's possible ?Project Manager: In fact it it should be somethingodd shaped , with a spongy cover .Industrial Designer: Yeah . YeahUser Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: . This is uh like the {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay odd shape with spongy


Grad A: OK , this is one channel . Can you uh , say your name and talk into your mike one at a time ?PhD C: This is Eric on channel three , I believe .Grad A: OK . Uh , I don't think it 's on there , Jane .Undergrad D:Tasting one two three , tasting .Postdoc E: OK , this is Jane on channel five .Grad A: Uh , I still don't see you Jane .Postdoc E: Oh , darn , what am I doing wrong ?Undergrad D: Can you see me on channel four ? Really?Grad A: Yeah , I sUndergrad D: My lucky day .Postdoc E: Uh , screen no , {disfmarker} it is , oh , maybe it just warmed up ?Grad A: No .Postdoc E: Oh , darn , can you can't see channel five yet ?Grad A: Uh , well , themike isn't close enough to your mouth , so .Postdoc E: Oh , this would be k OK , is that better ?Grad A: S uh , try speaking loudly ,Undergrad D: I like the high quality labelling .Grad A: so ,Postdoc E: Hello ,Grad A: OK ,good .Undergrad D: David , can we borrow your labelling machine to improve the quality of the labelling a little bit here ?Postdoc E: hello . Alright .Grad A: Thank you .PhD B: One tUndergrad D: How {disfmarker} howmany are there , one to five ?PhD B: One five , yeah .Undergrad D: Yeah , please .Postdoc E: Would you like to join the meeting ?Grad A: Well , we don't wanna renumber them ,Postdoc E: I bet {disfmarker}Grad A:cuz we 've already have like , forms filled out with the numbers on them . So , let 's keep the same numbers on them .PhD B: Yeah , OK , that 's a good idea .Grad A: OK , Dan , are you on ?PhD B: I 'm on {disfmarker}I 'm on two and I should be on .Grad A: Good .PhD B: Yeah .Undergrad D: Want to join the meeting , Dave ? Do we {disfmarker} do {disfmarker} do we have a spare , uh {disfmarker}Grad A: And I 'm getting lots ofresponses on different ones , so I assume {pause} the various and assorted P Z Ms are on .Undergrad D: We ' r we 're {disfmarker} we ' r This is {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} this is a meeting meeting .Postdoc E:This is abou we 're {disfmarker} we 're mainly being taped but we 're gonna talk about , uh , transcription for the m future meeting meetings .Grad A: Stuff . Yeah , this is not something you need to attend . So.Postdoc E: Yeah . e OK .PhD C: You 're always having one of those days , Dave .Postdoc E: Y you 'd be welcome .Grad A: Besides , I don't want anyone who has a weird accent .Postdoc E: You 'd be welcome .Grad A:Right , Dan ?Undergrad D: So , I don't understand if it 's neck mounted you don't get very good performance .PhD C: It 's not neck mounted . It 's supposed to be h head mounted .Undergrad D: Yeah . It {disfmarker}it should be head mounted . Right ?Grad A: Well , then put it on your head .PhD B: I don't know .PhD C: Right .Grad A: What are you doing ?Undergrad D: Cuz when you do this , you can {disfmarker} Rouww - Rouww.Postdoc E: Why didn't I {disfmarker} you were saying that but I could hear you really well on the {disfmarker} on the transcription {disfmarker} on the , uh , tape .Grad A: Well , I m I would prefer that people wore iton their headPhD B: I {disfmarker} I don't know .PhD C: iGrad A: but they were complaining about it . Because it 's not {disfmarker} it doesn't go over the ears .Undergrad D: Why ?Postdoc E: It 's badly designed.Grad A: It 's very badly designed so it 's {disfmarker}PhD B: It 's very badly designed ?Undergrad D: What do you mean it doesn't go over the ears ?PhD B: Why ? It 's not s It 's not supposed to cover up your ears.Grad A: Yeah but , there 's nowhere to put the pad so it 's comfortable .PhD B: I mean , it 's only badly {disfmarker}Postdoc E: So that 's what you 're d He 's got it on his temples so it cuts off his circulation .PhD B: Oh, that 's strange .PhD C: Yeah , that 's {disfmarker} that 's what I have .Grad A: And it feels so good that way .PhD C: It feels so good when I stop .Grad A: So I {disfmarker} I again would like to do some digits.Undergrad D: Somebody wanna {disfmarker}Postdoc E: Try it .Grad A: Um .Undergrad D: Somebody wanna close the door ?Grad A: Sure .PhD B: OK .Postdoc E: We could do it with noise .Grad A: So let me{disfmarker}PhD C: You 're always doing digits .Grad A: Well , you know , I 'm just that sort of {disfmarker} digit - y g sorta guy . OK . So this is Adam .Postdoc E: Uh , this is the same one I had before .Grad A: Idoubt it .PhD B: It 's still the same words .Grad A: I think we 're session four by the way . Or m it might be five .Undergrad D: Psss ! Oh , that 's good .Postdoc E: NoGrad A: I didn't bring my previous thing .PhD B: Wedidn't {disfmarker}Postdoc E: Now , just to be sure , the numbers on the back , this is the channel ?PhD B: That 's the microphone number .Postdoc E: That 's the microphone number .Grad A: Yeah , d leave thechannel blank .Postdoc E: Uh - oh . OK , good .Undergrad D: But number has to be {disfmarker} ? So we have to look up the number .Postdoc E: Five {disfmarker}Grad A: Right .Undergrad D: OK , good .Postdoc E:Good . OK . Well , this is Jane , on mike number five . Um . I just start ? Do I need to say anything more ?Grad A: Uh , transcript number .PhD B: Transcript number {disfmarker}PhD C: OK , this is Eric on microphonenumber three ,Undergrad D: This is Beck on mike four .Grad A: Thanks . Should I turn off the VU meter Dan ? Do you think that makes any difference ?PhD B: Oh , God . No , let me do it .Grad A: Why ? Are you gonnado something other than hit " quit " ?PhD B: No , but I 'm gonna look at the uh , logs as well .Grad A: Oh . Should have done it before .Postdoc E: Uh , you said turn off the what ?Grad A: The VU meter which tells youwhat the levels on the various mikes are and there was one hypothesis that perhaps that {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the act of recording the VU meter was one of the things that contributed to the errors .Postdoc E: Oh. Oh , I see .Undergrad D: Yeah , but Eric , uh , you didn't think that was a reasonable hypothesis , right ?Postdoc E: I See .Grad A: That was me ,Undergrad D: Oh , I 'm sorry yGrad A: I thought that was{disfmarker}Undergrad D: That was malarkey .Grad A: Well , the only reason that could be is if the driver has a bug . Right ? Because the machine just isn't very heavily loaded .Undergrad D: No chance of that .GradA: No chance of that . Just because it 's beta . Look OK ?PhD B: Yeah , there {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} there was {disfmarker} there was a {disfmarker} there was a bug . There was a glitch last time we ran.Undergrad D: Are - are yo are you recording where the table mikes are by the way ?PhD B: No .Undergrad D: Do you know which channels {disfmarker}Grad A: Yeah , we usually do that .PhD B: No , we don't .Grad A:Yeah .PhD B: But we {disfmarker} we ought to st we ought to standardize .Undergrad D: Why not ?PhD B: I think , {vocalsound} uh , I s I spoke to somebody , Morgan , {comment} about that . I think {disfmarker} Ithink we should put mar Well , no , w we can do that .Undergrad D: Why don't you just do this ?Grad A: I mean , that 's what we 've done before .PhD B: I know what they {disfmarker} they 're {disfmarker} they 'refour , three , two , one . In order now .Undergrad D: Four .PhD B: Three , two , {vocalsound} and one .Undergrad D: Three .PhD B: But I think {disfmarker} I think we should put them in standard positions . I think weshould make little marks on the table top .Grad A: Which means we need to move this thing , and sorta decide how we 're actually going to do things .PhD B: So that we can put them {disfmarker}Postdoc E: Oh , OK.PhD B: I guess that 's the point .Grad A: So .PhD B: It 'll be a lot easier if we have a {disfmarker} if we have them permanently in place or something like that .Grad A: Right .Postdoc E: I do wish there were big boomscoming down from the ceiling .PhD B: You do ?Postdoc E: Yeah .PhD C: Would it make you feel more important ?Grad A: Mmm .Postdoc E: Yeah , yeah , yeah .PhD C: I see .Undergrad D: Wait till the projector getsinstalled .Postdoc E: You know .Grad A: That 'll work .Postdoc E: Oh , that 'll be good .Grad A: That 'll work .PhD B: Oh , gosh .Undergrad D: Cuz it 's gonna hang down , make noise .Postdoc E: OK .PhD B: When 's itgonna be installed ?Postdoc E: OK .Undergrad D: Well , {vocalsound} it depends onPhD B: I see .Undergrad D: Is this b is this being recorded ?Grad A: That 's right .Undergrad D: Uh , I think Lila actually is almostgetting r pretty close to even getting ready to put out the purchase order .PhD B: OK . Cool .Undergrad D: I handed it off to her about a month ago .PhD B: I see .Grad A: OK , so , topic of this meeting is I wanna talk alittle bit about transcription . Um , I 've looked a little bit into commercial transcription services and Jane has been working on doing transcription . Uh , and so we wan wanna decide what we 're gonna do with that andthen get an update on the electronics , and then , uh , maybe also talk a little bit about some infrastructure and tools , and so on . Um , you know , eventually we 're probably gonna wanna distribute this thing and weshould decide how we 're gonna {disfmarker} how we 're gonna handle some of these factors . So .PhD B: Distribute what ?Grad A: Hmm ?PhD B: The data ?Grad A: Right . Right . I mean , so we 're {disfmarker} we're collecting a corpus and I think it 's gonna be generally useful . I mean , it seems like it 's not a corpus which is {disfmarker} uh , has been done before . And so I think people will be interested in having {disfmarker}having it ,PhD B: Oh .Grad A: and so we will {disfmarker}Undergrad D: u Using , like , audio D V Ds or something like that ?Grad A: Excuse me ?PhD B: Yes .Undergrad D: Audio D VGrad A: Well , or something . Yeah ,audio D V C Ds ,Undergrad D: Or tGrad A: you know .Undergrad D: Yeah . tapes .Grad A: And {disfmarker} and so how we do we distribute the transcripts , how do we distribute the audio files , how do we{disfmarker} how do we just do all that infrastructure ?PhD C: Well , I think {disfmarker} I mean , for that particular issue ther there are known sources where people go to {disfmarker} to find these kind of things likethe LDC for instance .Postdoc E: Yeah ,Grad A: Right , but {disfmarker} but so should we do it in the same format as LDCPostdoc E: that 's right .Grad A: and what does that mean to what we 've done already ?PhD B:Right . The {disfmarker} It 's not so much the actu The logistics of distribution are secondary to {pause} preparing the data in a suitable form for distribution .PhD C: Right .Grad A: Right . So , uh , as it is , it 's sort ofa {pause} ad - hoc combination of stuff Dan set and stuff I set up , which we may wanna make a little more formal . So .PhD B: And the other thing is that , um , University of Washington may want to start recordingmeetings as well ,Grad A: Right .PhD B: in which case w w we 'll have to decide what we 've actually got so that we can give them a copy .Grad A: That 's right .Undergrad D: A field trip .Grad A: Yeah . I was actuallythinking I wouldn't mind spending the summer up there . That would be kind of fun .PhD B: Oh , really ?Grad A: Yeah . Visit my friends and spend some time {disfmarker}PhD B: Different for you . Yes .Grad A: Well ,and then also I have a bunch of stuff for doing this digits . So I have a bunch of scripts with X Waves , and some Perl scripts , and other things that make it really easy to extract out {vocalsound} and align where thedigits are . And if U d UW 's going to do the same thing I think it 's worth while for them to do these digits tasks as well .Undergrad D: Mm - hmm .Grad A: And what I 've done is pretty ad - hoc , um , so we mightwanna change it over to something a little more standard .PhD C: Hmm .Grad A: You know , STM files , or XML , or something .Undergrad D: An - and there 's interest up there ?Grad A: What 's that ?Undergrad D:There 's interest up there ?Grad A: Well they {disfmarker} they certainly wanna collect more data . And so they 're applying , I think I B Is that right ? Something like that .PhD B: I don't know .Grad A: Um , for somemore money to do more data . So we were planning to do like thirty or forty hours worth of meetings . They wanna do an additional hundred or so hours . So , they want a very large data set . Um , but of course we 'renot gonna do that if we don't get money . So .PhD B: I see .Grad A: And I would like that just to get a disjoint speaker set and a disjoint room . I mean , one of the things Morgan and I were talking about is we 'regonna get to know this room really well ,PhD C: Mm - hmm .Grad A: the {disfmarker} the acoustics of this room .PhD B: All about that .Undergrad D: Including the fan .Grad A: Including the fan .Undergrad D: Did younotice the fan difference ?PhD B: Oh , now you 've touched the fan control , now all our data 's gonna be {disfmarker}Undergrad D: Hear the difference ?Grad A: Oh , it 's enormous .PhD B: Yeah , it 's great .Postdoc E:Oh , that 's better .Undergrad D: Do you wanna leave it off or not ?Postdoc E: That 's better .Grad A: All the others have been on .PhD B: That 's {disfmarker}Undergrad D: Yeah , the {disfmarker} You sure ?PhD B: Oh, yeah .Grad A: y AbsolutPhD B: Absolutely .Undergrad D: You {disfmarker} {vocalsound} You think that {disfmarker}Grad A: Yeah .Undergrad D: things after the f then This fan 's wired backwards by the way . Uh , Ithink this is high speed here .Postdoc E: Yeah , it 's noticeable .Undergrad D: Well , not clear .PhD B: Well it 's {disfmarker} well like {vocalsound} " low " is mid {disfmarker} mid - scale .Undergrad D: Maybe it{disfmarker} Maybe it isn't .PhD B: So it could be {vocalsound} that it 's not actually wired backwardsUndergrad D: That 's right .PhD B: it 's just that ambiguous .Undergrad D: I was wondering also , Get ready .{comment} whether the lights made any noise .Postdoc E: Uh - huh .Grad A: There 's definitely {disfmarker} Yep .PhD B: Oh , they do .PhD C: Yeah , a little bit .PhD B: Yeah .Grad A: High pitch hum . Wow .UndergradD: So , {vocalsound} do our meetings in the dark with no air conditioning in the future .Grad A: Yeah , just get a variety .Postdoc E: I think candles would be nice if they don't make noise .Grad A: They 're very good.PhD B: Oh , yeah .PhD C: It would {disfmarker} you know , it would real really mean that we should do short meetings when you {vocalsound} turn off the {disfmarker} {comment} turn off the air conditioning ,GradA: Carbon monoxide poisoning ?Undergrad D: Short meetings , that 's right . Or {disfmarker} Yeah , sort of {comment} r rPhD C: got to finish this meeting .Undergrad D: Tear t {pause} Tear your clothing off to staycool .PhD C: That 's right .Undergrad D: Actually , the a th air {disfmarker} the air conditioning 's still working , that 's just an auxiliary fan .PhD C: Right , I see .Grad A: SoPhD C: So , um , in addition to this issueabout the UW stuff there was announced today , uh , via the LDC , um , a corpus from I believe Santa Barbara .Postdoc E: Yeah , I saw it . I 've been watching for that corpus .PhD C: Um , of general spoken English.Postdoc E: Yeah . Yep .PhD C: And I don't know exactly how they recorded it but apparently there 's a lot of different {vocalsound} styles of speech and what not .Grad A: Mm - hmm .PhD C: And {disfmarker}PostdocE: They had people come in to a certain degree and they {disfmarker} and they have DAT recorders .PhD C: I see . So it is sort of far field stuff . Right ?Postdoc E: I {disfmarker} I assume so , actually , I hadn'tthought about that . Unless they added close field later on but , um , I 've listened to some of those data and I , um , I 've been {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I was actually on the advisory board for when they set theproject up .Grad A: Mm - hmm .PhD C: Oh , OK .PhD B: What 's it sound like ?Postdoc E: I 'm glad to see that it got released .Grad A: Yeah , I {disfmarker} I wish {disfmarker}Postdoc E: So it it 's a very nice thing.Grad A: I wish we had someone here working on adaptationPhD C: SGrad A: because it would nice to be able to take that stuff and adapt it to a meeting setting . You know {disfmarker}PhD C: But it may be{disfmarker} it may be useful in {disfmarker}Postdoc E: How do you mean {disfmarker} do you mean mechanical adaptation or {disfmarker}Grad A: No , software , to adapt the speech recognition .Postdoc E: OK .PhDC: Well , what I was thinking is it may be useful in transcribing , if it 's far field stuff ,Grad A: Mm - hmm .PhD C: right ? In doing , um , some of our first automatic speech recognition models , it may be useful to havethat kind of dataPostdoc E: Great idea .PhD C: because that 's very different than any kind of data that we have so far .Grad A: That 's true .Postdoc E: And {disfmarker} and their recording conditions are really clean . Imean , I 've {disfmarker} I 've heard {disfmarker} I 've listened to the data .Grad A: Well that 's not good , right ?PhD C: That 's {disfmarker} that 's not great .Postdoc E: It sounds {disfmarker}Undergrad D:TrPostdoc E: well but what I mean is that , um {disfmarker}Undergrad D: But far field means great distance ? I mean {disfmarker}Grad A: Just these .Undergrad D: Not head mounted ?PhD B: Yeah .Undergrad D: Andso that 's why they 're getting away with just two channels or something , or are they using multiple DATs ?Postdoc E: Um , oh , good question and I can't ans answer it .Grad A: Well we can look into it .Postdoc E: Idon't know .PhD C: No , and their web {disfmarker} their web page didn't answer it either . So I 'm , I uh , was thinking that we should contact them .Postdoc E: OK .PhD C: So it 's {disfmarker} that 's sort of a beside- the - point point . But .Grad A: So we can get that just with , uh , media costs ,Undergrad D: Still a point .PhD C: Right .Grad A: is that right ?PhD C: Uh , in fact we get it for freeGrad A: Oh .PhD C: cuz they 'redistributing it through the LDC .Grad A: Great .Postdoc E: Yep .Grad A: So that would be {disfmarker} yeah , that would be something to look into . So .PhD C: So , I can {disfmarker} I can actually arrange for it toarrive in short order if we 're {disfmarker}Postdoc E: The other thing too is from {disfmarker} from a {disfmarker}Grad A: Well , it 's silly to do unless we 're gonna have someone to work on it , so maybe we need tothink about it a little bit .PhD C: Huh .Postdoc E: The other thing too is that their their jus their transcription format is really nice and simple in {disfmarker} in the discourse domain . But they also mentioned that theyhave it time aligned . I mean , I s I {disfmarker} I saw that write - up .PhD C: Yeah . Maybe we should {disfmarker} maybe we should get a copy of it just to see what they didPhD B: Yeah , absolutely .Grad A: Yeah.PhD C: so {disfmarker} so that we can {disfmarker} we can compare .Postdoc E: It 's very nice .Grad A: OK , why don't you go ahead and do that then Eric ?PhD B: Absolutely .PhD C: Alright , I 'll do that . I can'tremember the name of the corpus . It 's Corps - S {disfmarker}Postdoc E: CSAE .PhD C: S {disfmarker}Postdoc E: Corpus of Spoken American English .PhD C: Right , OK .Postdoc E: Yeah , sp I 've been {disfmarker} Iwas really pleased to see that . I knew that they {disfmarker} {vocalsound} they had had some funding problems in completing itPhD B: Uh - huh .PhD C: Yeah .Postdoc E: but , um ,PhD C: Well they 're{disfmarker}Postdoc E: this is clever .PhD C: Apparently this was like phase onePostdoc E: Got it through the LDC .PhD C: and the there 's still more that they 're gonna do apparently or something like that unless ofcourse they have funding issuesPostdoc E: Great . Great .PhD C: and then then it ma they may not do phase two but {vocalsound} from all the web documentation it looked like , " oh , this is phase one " , whateverthat means .Postdoc E: Super . Super . Great . Yeah , that {disfmarker} I mean , they 're really well respected in the linguistics d side too and the discourse area ,PhD C: OK .Postdoc E: and {disfmarker} So this is avery good corpus .PhD C: But , it uh it would also maybe help be helpful for Liz , if she wanted to start working on some discourse issues , you know , looking at some of this data and then ,Grad A: Right .PhD C: youknow {disfmarker} So when she gets here maybe that might be a good thing for her .Grad A: Actually , that 's another thing I was thinking about is that maybe Jane should talk to Liz , to see if there are anytranscription issues related to discourse that she needs to get marked .Postdoc E: OK .PhD C: Maybe we should have a big meeting meeting .PhD B: Sure , of course .Undergrad D: That would be a meeting meetingmeeting ?Grad A: A meeting meeting meeting .PhD C: Yeah .Grad A: Well this is the meeting about the meeting meeting meeting . So .PhD C: Oh .Grad A: Um .PhD C: Right . But maybe we should , uh find some daythat Liz {disfmarker} uh , Liz and Andreas seem to be around more often .Grad A: Mm - hmm .PhD C: So maybe we should find a day when they 're gonna be here and {disfmarker} and Morgan 's gonna be here , andwe can meet , at least this subgroup . I mean , not necessarily have the U - dub people down .Grad A: Well , I was even thinking that maybe we need to at least ping the U - dub {disfmarker} to see {disfmarker}PhD C:


Project Manager: Good morning . Sorry ? Yeah , busy job . Good morning . So {disfmarker} Oh , good morning everyone .User Interface: Good morning .Industrial Designer: Good morning .Project Manager: I'd uh liketo welcome you to our first meeting . I've prepared a little presentation . My name is {gap} and uh I hope you will introduce yourself uh in a few minutes , as will I . Um I'm the Project Manager of this project , and uh ,well I will tell you {gap} on what actually is the project . This is uh the agenda for our first meeting . Um this is the opening , then we will get {disfmarker} {gap} I will hope we will get acquainted to each other . We'lldo a little tool training with these two things . We'll take a look at the project plan . Uh there will be time for discussion . Actually we have to discuss because we have to create a product . And then we will close thissession . Um but first of all we I'd like to uh introduce you to this room . Um as you probably have noticed there are little black uh fields on the table . Um you have to put your laptop exactly in that field so the littlecameras can see your face . Um there are camerasIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: everywhere around the room especially here for your face , of course , and this isn't a pie , it's a a set ofmicrophonesIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: and there are microphones here also . But please uh don't be afraid of them .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: They won't hurt you . Umwell uhUser Interface: Well {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I said I'm the Project Manager and uh I'm hoping uh for a good project and uh I'd like to hear uh who you are and what yourfunctions are uh on this project . Let's start with the ladies {vocalsound} {vocalsound} .User Interface: Well uh I'm uh {gap} and my uh function is User Interface Design , I think .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound} So uh that's me .Industrial Designer: Okay , uh I'm {gap} uh I'm the Industrial Designer and I uh hope to uh {disfmarker} look forward to uh a very uh pleasing uh end of this uh project.Project Manager: Okay , so I .User Interface: Me too .Marketing: My name's {gap} . I'm uh {vocalsound} Marketing Expert . {vocalsound} My job is in the company to promote company or promote products to thecustomers . So I also h hope we have a pleasant uh working with uh with each other .Project Manager: Okay , well we have some expertise from uh different pieces of the of the company .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: That's good . Um well I said uh we're working on a project and the aim for the project is to to create a {disfmarker} to design a new remote control which uh has to be original , trendyand of course , user friendly . {vocalsound} And uh I hope we have the expertise to create such a project {disfmarker} such a product . Um the way we hope to achieve that is uh the following methods . It consists ofthree phases , namely the functional design , conceptual design and detailed design . As you can see , all of these phases consists of two parts , namely individual work part and a meeting where we will discuss uh ourwork so far . Okay . But first I will uh tell you something about the tools we have here . I already talked about the cameras and microphones , but they are not of uh much use to us . Uh we will have to take advantageof these two things . They are smart boards . As you can see , you can give a presentation on them . And uh this one here is a white board . I will uh instruct you about that soon . Um as you also noticed uh thispresentation document is in our uh project folder and every document you put in this folder uh is uh it is possible to show that here in our meeting room . Um and yeah there are available on both smart boards but Ithink we will uh mainly use this one for the documents in the shared folder . As you can see , this is the same tool bar uh as is located here . Um the most functions uh we will use will be to to add a new page , um uh togo back and forward between pages , and of course uh to save it every now and then . Um and this is the pen with which you can draw on the board , for instance like this if everything's okay ,User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: but I first have to put it on the pen , you see I'm new to it too .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um and then you can write things like test or whatever you want .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}User Interface: Oh .Project Manager: As you can see you have to move it a little bit slow , it's not such a fast board , it's a smart board but also a slow board .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh but you can write things and of course you can also , when you click here , uh erase things , so we have uh est left . And um you can also delete an entirepage , but we ask you not to do that . Just simply create a new one and uh start all over because we want to save all the results . Um does everyone understand thisUser Interface: {vocalsound} So we can't eraseanything .Project Manager: nice application ?Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Well you can erase it with the eraser , but uh you shouldn't delete an entire page , but just create a newblank one .User Interface: Right .Marketing: SProject Manager: I will delete this one now because we don't use it yet .User Interface: Alright .Project Manager: But you can of course erase when you make a mistake ,but don't uh delete entire pages . And you can also um let's see I think it's here uh change the uh colour of your pen , for instance take a blue one and uh change the line width like to five . Um that's what you will needfor our first exercise , because I'm uh going to ask you to draw your favourite animal .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: It's also to gets to know each other because umI'm asking three things , uh for that uh drawing ,Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: to do it on a blank sheet , with different colours and I just showed you how to pick a colour , and also with different penwidths which I also showed you . Um and a favourite characteristic can be just uh one word . Well I'm not very good at drawing , but I will uh go first and um try to draw {disfmarker}User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Or maybe you should guess what I'm drawing , eh . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Good .User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Hmm .Marketing: {gap} No .User Interface: It's a sheep . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: DinosIndustrial Designer: Seal , a seal .{vocalsound}Marketing: Dinosaur .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Beaver .User Interface: {gap} A beaver . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: A be {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well it uhUser Interface: It'sweird . {vocalsound}Project Manager: could be everything .Industrial Designer: Mm . With a tail and a mouth .Project Manager: Maybe when I put onUser Interface: It has wings ?Marketing: Turtle .Project Manager:this thing it could be a turtle , or a snail ,Industrial Designer: Snail . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Well the snail doesn't have legs .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: But a turtle has . And thoseare slow . And I hope our project group will not be slow ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: but we will uh work to a good resultIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: and do it uh as fast aswe can . Okay , time for another animal . Would you like to go next ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} No problem . No problem .Industrial Designer: Sure .User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh right.Marketing: Mm . It was four months ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Nice , okay .User Interface: Well . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} The hell .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} To make it a little bit easier . {gap}User Interface: {vocalsound} It's a giraffe .Industrial Designer: Make that cute . {vocalsound}User Interface: Or a dinosaur . {vocalsound}Marketing: No , it's a giraffe. 'Kay .User Interface: {gap}Marketing: I think it's easy to r uh to recognise as a giraffe .User Interface: Yes . Giraffe .Industrial Designer: {gap}Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah , thefavourite charis characteristic is that the long neck , {vocalsound} it can reach everything . And I hope I can also reach a lot with this project . So that's my favourite animal .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Anythingelse you need to know ?Project Manager: Could you write the words , uh underneath it ? Or more words .Marketing: Oh , uh {gap}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Tall . {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: Tall . So ,User Interface: Should I uh {disfmarker}Marketing: 'kay .User Interface: Alright .Marketing: {gap}User Interface: So I can draw , but uh {disfmarker} Uh . Well . {vocalsound} Oh.Industrial Designer: B {vocalsound}Marketing: It's a mouse .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Bunny rabbit . {vocalsound}Marketing: A bunny rabbit . {vocalsound}User Interface: {gap} Oh wrongone . Uh . {gap}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Well uhIndustrial Designer: {gap}User Interface: you can guess what it is , I hope . {vocalsound}Marketing:Uh-huh . No problem .Project Manager: Little rabbits .User Interface: It's a rabbit .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} And uh well uh it's uh quick , I guess . That's uh my uh favourite animal. {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay , thank you .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: And our final drawing .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Bob Ross .User Interface: A dolphin . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay , um .Marketing: Dolphin .Industrial Designer: Uh I uh draw I I've drawn a dolphin because of its intelligence .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Right .Industrial Designer: One of the most intelligent uhProject Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: animals in our world .User Interface: Well.Marketing: {gap}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah intelligent .User Interface: With an E_ .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I've I've uh {disfmarker}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Eraser .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: You can try out the eraser now . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Pen . Well not perfect , butokay .Project Manager: Okay , wellUser Interface: {gap}Project Manager: thank you very much . I can see we have some uh drawing talent uh in this group ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound} Not really . {vocalsound}Project Manager: huh ? Well , nice animals , nice words . Sounds good . Um back to business , back to the money part . Um from the finance department I have learned that weare aiming for a selling price of twenty five Euros . And we're hoping for a aim of fifty million Euros and uh we are hoping to achieve that uh by aiming for an international market . And the production cost will be twelveEuro fifty max . Okay , well it's time uh for some discussion . I've wrote down some examples here of what we can can speak about . Uh what's your experience with remote controls , um what kind of ideas do you haveto design a new remote control , maybe for which market segments should we aim , or should we aim for all segments . Uh well actually I'd like to hand the word uh back to you . What's your experience with remotecontrol ?User Interface: {gap} I always lose them .Industrial Designer: A lot of buttons . And you always lose them .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yes .Industrial Designer: A lot of buttons which youdon't useUser Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: or who you don't useMarketing: Complex .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Complex .User Interface: {gap}Industrial Designer:Not user friendly .User Interface: {gap} search for the buttons , which one is whichMarketing: No .User Interface: and uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {gap}Marketing: No .Industrial Designer: {gap}Marketing:Boring .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Boring , it's not fun to use a remote .Industrial Designer: {gap}Marketing: No .Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: Black , all black .User Interface: Well .ProjectManager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Black colours .Marketing: So , yeah .Project Manager: Well maybe we should try to make it fun .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: {gap} They use batteries and {gap}batteries uh and poor signal .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Uh .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Perhaps that you have a lot of road remotes r road con remote controls .Marketing: The the angle youhave to use . You had different remote controls for different devices .Industrial Designer: Yeah , different remote controls ,User Interface: {vocalsound} Yes ,Industrial Designer: yeah .User Interface: perhaps you canintegrate them or something .Marketing: Yes .Industrial Designer: Uh for the use of different uh devices {vocalsound} .User Interface: Yes .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Your stereo and yourT_V_Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: {gap}User Interface: and uh . Perhaps that's an idea .Marketing: Yeah but then again you you still have a lot of buttons ,User Interface: Yeah , that's right . And which youdon't use .Industrial Designer: YeahMarketing: so {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: but you could uh I thin uh there's a possibility to g uh to uh to put those buttons uh behind some uh kind of uh protectionMarketing:FlapUser Interface: Right .Industrial Designer: so that if y y you only get to see them when you need 'em .Marketing: yeah . Yeah , okay , that's possible ,Industrial Designer: That's possible , so that you only get the{disfmarker}Marketing: but it'll get very big the the remote control .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah . You should just give it to {gap} . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: No n n no , just {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Uh for example you got th uh the same size uh remote control you use everyday , but um {vocalsound} the usual buttons such as uh um {vocalsound} zapping uh as you call it in Dutch . Uh and the volume control uhare only the only possible buttons uh to use directly .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound} Changing channel .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Or uh {vocalsound} the numbers , of course.Marketing: Mm-hmm . {gap} numbers .Industrial Designer: But uh not uh the buttons used to search on the the channels on your television .Marketing: On and off .Industrial Designer: You only use those uh the firsttime , or .Marketing: Yeah ,Industrial Designer: So . Uh .Marketing: play , pause , stop .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . So maybe a a minimalist design , the least uh possible amount uh of buttons .Industrial Designer:Yeah , I think so , yeah .Marketing: {gap}User Interface: Yes . But you should make sure that you have every button they need on it . Because uh things for uh teletext , I dunno uh , {vocalsound} wIndustrialDesigner: {gap}Marketing: Mm-hmm , of course .Industrial Designer: Yeah , uh teletext .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: what's the name ?Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: {gap} think so.Marketing: {gap}Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: So you don't want to bother people with uh loads of buttons , but on the other hand they need many buttonsMarketing: No .Project Manager: so they don'thave to get out of their seat .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: But {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Right .Marketing: Because I think a market will be all kind of people . Elderly p el elderly ,young people , so .User Interface: But if if it's if it's international you should uh look in {disfmarker} think in Britain they have uh different things they can do with the T_V_ , or so uh that you can choose what you wantto see . I dunno if you should uh take that in consideration , or that you just should aim for the normal T_V_sIndustrial Designer: Uh .User Interface: that uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah I I understand.Marketing: Yeah I think that's the better one ,User Interface: And the B_B_C_ {gap} .Marketing: because {disfmarker} I think if you you're going to target a lot of people and the whole world and only Britain then Ithink the cost will uh rise higher than the twelve fifty , I think .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} No .User Interface: Yes {gap} . Yeah , I don't know if the they have that anywhere else , though .Marketing: I think theaim is better to use uh the whole world and Britain , yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah , we can leave that {gap} .Industrial Designer: When I think of it uhMarketing: Not that much .IndustrialDesigner: I think the main idea uh of this remote remote control is uh to make it user friendly . So uh I think uh when p uh when uh the customers will buy this remote control , they already have uh the remote controlwhich uh companies uh uh with uh the the standards uh remote control with which comes uh with the television .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Mm . Standard deliver .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer:So uhMarketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: it only has to have uh the most used buttons . You don't have to integrate the buttons to search the channels on your television .User Interface: WellIndustrial Designer: Inthose {disfmarker} in that {disfmarker}User Interface: butMarketing: No but {disfmarker}User Interface: but then you have to to find your other remote control if you want to search .Marketing: Yeah . Yeah , th it{vocalsound} it's {disfmarker} I think that's not {disfmarker}User Interface: That's not {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah but I {disfmarker} but it is impossible to uh to accommodate uh accommodate uh all thebuttons on the s on the difference {disfmarker} different televisions sets on one remote control . It's impossible .User Interface: Yeah , that's right .Marketing: Yeah , okay {gap} .Industrial Designer: Because uh forexample Sony television uh has the opportunity to s to make uh uh to make it possible for {disfmarker} to see on one side of the screen uh teletext , and on the other side uh just n uh regular television . Uh{disfmarker}Marketing: No .User Interface: Yeah that's uh {gap} .Marketing: I think n m n most televisions nowadays do this .Industrial Designer: Yeah , but uh they don't use the same signal , uh on remote control.User Interface: Well not everywhere .Marketing: So {gap} I think numerals .Industrial Designer: Because you can't use a Panasonic uh remote control on a on a Philips television .Marketing: Yeah , but then you haveto choose the {disfmarker} always with r universal remotes you have to choose the code .User Interface: Yeah , you can choose the code {gap} .Industrial Designer: Okay . Okay . Okay . Okay ,Marketing: You can usewhich which type of television you have . That's no problem . But I think like the two pages on the same screen , like teletext and normal television , that's that's nowadays standard , I think .Industrial Designer: but{vocalsound} uh I think that most people uh th uh will buy the remote control because {vocalsound} because uh the first {disfmarker} they lost the one they lost first oneMarketing: Simplicity .Industrial Designer: orthe first one is broken ,Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: so uh uh perhaps they have a got a an older television ,Marketing: Yeah , yeah . Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: so that option is not {vocalsound} uhoptional for those uh people .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah g available .User Interface: But the people have a new television ,Marketing: True .User Interface: and c if you look into the future , then they want{disfmarker} will want the button , if their thing is broke .Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: So we should take that in consideration .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Mm-hmm.Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Okay , wellMarketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: any more ideas ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Oh mm , no .Project Manager: No ?User Interface: Guess not.Marketing: Of course .Industrial Designer: Things'll come up .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay , yeah well we have some time . Let's see what more I have to tell you . I don't think there is much left . Nope .We're starting to close . Um our next meeting uh will start {disfmarker} well we're a little bit early , but our next meeting will start in in thirty minutes .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:


Professor E: So . OK . Doesn't look like it crashed . That 's great .Grad G: So I think maybe what 's causing it to crash is I keep starting it and then stopping it to see if it 's working . And so I think starting it and thenstopping it and starting it again causes it to crash . So , I won't do that anymore .Postdoc B: And it looks like you 've found a way of uh mapping the location to the {disfmarker} without having people have to give theirnames each time ?PhD A: Sounds like an initialization thing .Postdoc B: I mean it 's like you have the {disfmarker} So you know that {disfmarker}Grad G: No .Postdoc B: I mean , are you going to write down {pause}that I sat here ?Grad G: I 'm gonna collect the digit forms and write it down .Postdoc B: OK .PhD C: Oh , OK .Grad G: So {disfmarker} So they should be right with what 's on the digit forms . OK , so I 'll go ahead andstart with digits . u And I should say that uh , you just pau you just read each line an and then pause briefly .Professor E: And start by giving the transcript number .PhD A: TranPhD D: Transcript {disfmarker} Uh . OK ,OK .PhD A: Oh sorry , go ahead .Professor E: So uh , you see , Don , the unbridled excitement of the work that we have on this project .Grad H: OK .Professor E: It 's just uh {disfmarker}Grad H: Umh .Professor E: Uh ,you know , it doesn't seem like a bad idea to have {comment} that information .Grad G: And I 'm surprised I sort of {disfmarker} I 'm surprised I forgot that ,Professor E: Yeah , I {disfmarker} I 'd {disfmarker} I thinkit 's someGrad G: but uh I think that would be a good thing to add . After I just printed out a zillion of them .Professor E: Yeah , well , that 's {disfmarker} Um , so I {disfmarker} I do have a {disfmarker} a an agendasuggestion . Uh , we {disfmarker} I think the things that we talk about in this meeting uh tend to be a mixture of uh procedural uh mundane things and uh research points and um I was thinking I think it was a meetinga couple of weeks ago that we {disfmarker} we spent much of the time talking about the mundane stuff cuz that 's easier to get out of the way and then we sort of drifted into the research and maybe five minutes intothat Andreas had to leave . So {vocalsound} uh I 'm suggesting we turn it around and {disfmarker} and uh sort of we have {disfmarker} anybody has some mundane points that we could send an email later , uh holdthem for a bit , and let 's talk about the {disfmarker} the research - y kind of things . Um , so um the one th one thing I know that we have on that is uh we had talked a {disfmarker} a couple weeks before um uhabout the uh {disfmarker} the stuff you were doing with {disfmarker} with uh um uh l l attempting to locate events , we had a little go around trying to figure out what you meant by " events " but I think , you know ,what we had meant by " events " I guess was uh points of overlap between speakers . But I th I gather from our discussion a little earlier today that you also mean uh interruptions with something elsePhD D: Yeah.Professor E: like some other noise .PhD D: Uh - huh . Yeah .Professor E: Yes ? You mean that as an event also .PhD D: ToProfessor E: So at any rate you were {disfmarker} you 've {disfmarker} you 've done somework on thatPhD D: right .Professor E: and um then the other thing would be it might be nice to have a preliminary discussion of some of the other uh research uh areas that uh we 're thinking about doing . Um , I thinkespecially since you {disfmarker} you haven't been in {disfmarker} in these meetings for a little bit , maybe you have some discussion of some of the p the plausible things to look at now that we 're starting to get data, uh and one of the things I know that also came up uh is some discussions that {disfmarker} that uh {disfmarker} that uh Jane had with Lokendra uh about some {disfmarker} some {disfmarker} some um uh workabout I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I d I {disfmarker} I don't want to try to say cuz I {disfmarker} I 'll say it wrong , but anyway some {disfmarker} some potential collaboration there about {disfmarker} about the{disfmarker} about the {disfmarker} working with these data .PhD C: Oh . Sure .Professor E: So . So , uh .Grad G: You wanna just go around ?Professor E: Uh . {pause} Well , I don't know if we {disfmarker} if this issort of like everybody has something to contribute sort of thing , I think there 's just just a couple {disfmarker} a couple people primarily um but um Uh , wh why don't {disfmarker} Actually I think that {disfmarker}that last one I just said we could do fairly quickly so why don't you {disfmarker} you start with that .Postdoc B: OK . Shall I {disfmarker} shall I just start ? OK .Professor E: Yeah , just explain what it was .Postdoc B:Um , so , uh , he was interested in the question of {disfmarker} you know , relating to his {disfmarker} to the research he presented recently , um of inference structures , and uh , the need to build in , um , this{disfmarker} this sort of uh mechanism for understanding of language . And he gave the example in his talk about how {pause} um , e a I 'm remembering it just off the top of my head right now , but it 's somethingabout how um , i " Joe slipped " you know , " John had washed the floor " or something like that . And I don't have it quite right , but that kind of thing , where you have to draw the inference that , OK , there 's thistime sequence , but also the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the causal aspects of the uh floor and {disfmarker} and how it might have been the cause of the fall and that um it was the other person who fell than theone who cleaned it and it {disfmarker} {comment} These sorts of things . So , I looked through the transcript that we have so far , {comment} and um , fou identified a couple different types of things of that type andum , one of them was something like uh , during the course of the transcript , um um , w we had gone through the part where everyone said which channel they were on and which device they were on , and um , thequestion was raised " Well , should we restart the recording at this point ? " And {disfmarker} and Dan Ellis said , " Well , we 're just so far ahead of the game right now {pause} we really don't need to " . Now , howwould you interpret that without a lot of inference ? So , the inferences that are involved are things like , OK , so , how do you interpret " ahead of the game " ? You know . So it 's the {disfmarker} it 's {pause} i Whatyou {disfmarker} what you int what you draw {disfmarker} you know , the conclusions that you need to draw are that space is involved in recording ,Grad G: Hmm , metaphorically .Postdoc B: that um , i that {pause}i we have enough space , and he continues , like " we 're so ahead of the game cuz now we have built - in downsampling " . So you have to sort of get the idea that um , " ahead of the game " is sp speaking withrespect to space limitations , that um that in fact downsampling is gaining us enough space , and that therefore we can keep the recording we 've done so far . But there are a lot of different things like that .Grad G: So ,do you think his interest is in using this as {pause} a data source , or {pause} training material , or what ?Professor E: Well , I {disfmarker} I should maybe interject to say this started off with a discussion that I hadwith him , so um we were trying to think of ways that his interests could interact with oursGrad G: Mm - hmm .Professor E: and um uh I thought that if we were going to project into the future when we had a lot of data, uh and um such things might be useful for that in or before we invested too much uh effort into that he should uh , with Jane 's help , look into some of the data that we 're {disfmarker} already have and see , is thereanything to this at all ?Grad G: Mm - hmm .Professor E: Is there any point which you think that , you know , you could gain some advantage and some potential use for it . Cuz it could be that you 'd look through it andyou say " well , this is just the wrong {pause} task for {disfmarker} for him to pursue his {disfmarker} "Grad G: Wrong , yeah .Professor E: And {disfmarker} and uh I got the impression from your mail that in factthere was enough things like this just in the little sample that {disfmarker} that you looked at that {disfmarker} that it 's plausible at least .Postdoc B: It 's possible . Uh , he was {disfmarker} he {disfmarker} he{disfmarker} you know {disfmarker} We met and he was gonna go and uh you know , y look through them more systematicallyProfessor E: Yeah .Postdoc B: and then uh meet again .Professor E: Yeah .Postdoc B: So it's , you know , not a matter of a {disfmarker}Professor E: Yeah .Postdoc B: But , yeah , I think {disfmarker} I think it was optimistic .Professor E: So anyway , that 's {disfmarker} that 's e a quite different thing fromanything we 've talked about that , you know , might {disfmarker} might {disfmarker} might come out from some of this .PhD C: But he can use text , basically . I mean , he 's talking about just using textPostdoc B:That 's his major {disfmarker} I mentioned several that w had to do with implications drawn from intonational contoursPhD C: pretty much , or {disfmarker} ?Postdoc B: and {pause} that wasn't as directly relevant towhat he 's doing . He 's interested in these {disfmarker} these knowledge structures ,PhD C: OK .PhD D: Yeah , interesting .Postdoc B: inferences that you draw {pause} i from {disfmarker}Professor E: I mean , hecertainly could use text , but we were in fact looking to see if there {disfmarker} is there {disfmarker} is there something in common between our interest in meetings and his interest in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} inthis stuff . So .Grad G: And I imagine that transcripts of speech {disfmarker} I mean text that is speech {disfmarker} probably has more of those than sort of prepared writing . I {disfmarker} I don't know whether itwould or not , but it seems like it would .Professor E: I don't know , probably de probably depends on what the prepared writing was . But .Postdoc B: Yeah , I don't think I would make that leap , because i in narratives, you know {disfmarker} I mean , if you spell out everything in a narrative , it can be really tedious ,Grad G: Mm - hmm .Postdoc B: so .Grad G: Yeah , I 'm just thinking , you know , when you 're {disfmarker} whenyou 're face to face , you have a lot of backchannel and {disfmarker} And {disfmarker}Postdoc B: Oh . That aspect .Grad G: Yeah . And so I think it 's just easier to do that sort of broad inference jumping if it 's face toface . I mean , so , if I just read that Dan was saying " we 're ahead of the game " {comment} in that {disfmarker} in that context ,Postdoc B: Well {disfmarker} Yeah .Grad G: I might not realize that he was talkingabout disk space as opposed to anything else .Postdoc B: I {disfmarker} you know , I {disfmarker} I had several that had to do with backchannels and this wasn't one of them .Grad G: Uh - huh .Postdoc B: This{disfmarker} this one really does um m make you leap from {disfmarker} So he said , you know , " we 're ahead of the game , w we have built - in downsampling " .Grad G: Mm - hmm .Postdoc B: And the inference , iif you had it written down , would be {disfmarker}Grad G: I guess it would be the same .Postdoc B: Uh - huh . But there are others that have backchannelling , it 's just he was less interested in those .PhD F: Can I{disfmarker} Sorry to interrupt . Um , I f f f I 've {disfmarker} @ @ {comment} d A minute {disfmarker} uh , several minutes ago , I , like , briefly was {disfmarker} was not listening and {disfmarker} So who is " he "in this context ?PhD C: Yeah , there 's a lot of pronoun {disfmarker}PhD F: OK . So I was just realizing we 've {disfmarker} You guys have been talking about " he " um for at least uh , I don't know , three {disfmarker}three four minutes without ever mentioning the person 's name again .PhD C: I believe it . Yeah . Actually to make it worse , {comment} uh , Morgan uses " you " and " you "PhD F: So this is {disfmarker} this is{disfmarker} this is {disfmarker} gonna be a big , big problem if you want to later do uh , you know , indexing , or speech understanding of any sort .Grad G: It 's in my notes .PhD C: with gaze and no identification , or{disfmarker} I just wrote this down . Yeah , actually . Cuz Morgan will say well , " you had some ideas "PhD D: Yeah .PhD F: You just wrote this ?PhD C: and he never said Li - He looked {disfmarker}Grad G: Well , Ithink he 's doing that intentionally ,PhD C: Right , so it 's great .Grad G: aren't you ?PhD C: So this is really greatPhD F: Right .PhD C: because the thing is , because he 's looking at the per even for addressees in theconversation ,PhD D: Yeah .PhD F: Mm - hmm .PhD C: I bet you could pick that up in the acoustics . Just because your gaze is also correlated with the directionality of your voice .Professor E: Uh - huh . Could be.Postdoc B: Can weProfessor E: Yeah . That would be touGrad G: Oh , that would be interesting .PhD C: Yeah , so that , I mean , to even know um when {disfmarker}PhD D: Yeah .PhD C: Yeah , if you have the P Z Msyou should be able to pick up what a person is looking at from their voice .Grad G: Well , especially with Morgan , with the way we have the microphones arranged . I 'm sort of right on axis and it would be very hard totell .PhD C: Right .Grad G: Uh .Postdoc B: Oh , but you 'd have the {disfmarker}PhD C: Put Morgan always like thisPostdoc B: You 'd have fainter {disfmarker}PhD C: and {disfmarker}Postdoc B: Wouldn't you getfainter reception out here ?Professor E: Well , these {disfmarker}Grad G: Sure , but I think if I 'm talking like this ? Right now I 'm looking at Jane and talking , now I 'm looking at Chuck and talking , I don't think themicrophones would pick up that difference .PhD C: But you don't have this {disfmarker} this problem .Postdoc B: I see .PhD C: Morgan is the one who does this most .Grad G: So if I 'm talking at you , or I 'm talking atyou .Professor E: I probably been affect No , I th I think I 've been affected by too many conversations where we were talking about lawyers and talking about {disfmarker} and concerns about " oh gee is somebodygoing to say something bad ? " and so on .Grad G: Lawyers .Professor E: And so I {disfmarker} so I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm tending to stay away from people 's names even though uh {disfmarker}Postdoc B: I am too.PhD C: Even though you could pick up later on , just from the acoustics who you were t who you were looking at .Postdoc B: I am too .Grad G: And we did mention who " he " was .PhD C: Yeah .Professor E: Yeah .PhDF: Right , but I missed it .Grad G: Early in the conversation .PhD F: But {disfmarker} it was uh {disfmarker}PhD C: Yeah , yeah .Professor E: Yeah .Grad G: Do {disfmarker} Sh - Can I sayProfessor E: Yeah . No no ,there 's {disfmarker}PhD F: Yeah .Grad G: or {disfmarker} or is that just too sensitive ?Professor E: No no , it isn't sensitive at all .Postdoc B: Well {disfmarker}Professor E: I was just {disfmarker} I was just{disfmarker} I was overreacting just because we 've been talking about it .Postdoc B: And in fact , it is {disfmarker} it is {disfmarker} it is sensitive .PhD C: No , but that {disfmarker} it 's interesting .Professor E: It 'sOK to {disfmarker}Postdoc B: I {disfmarker} I came up with something from the Human Subjects people that I wanted to mention . I mean , it fits into the m area of the mundane , but they did say {disfmarker} Youknow , I asked her very specifically about this clause of how , um , you know , it says " no individuals will be identified uh , " in any publication using the data . " OK , well , individuals being identified , let 's say youhave a {disfmarker} a snippet that says , " Joe s uh thinks such - and - such about {disfmarker} about this field , but I think he 's wrongheaded . " Now I mean , we 're {disfmarker} we 're gonna be careful not to havethe " wrongheaded " part in there , but {disfmarker} but you know , let 's say we say , you know , " Joe used to think so - and - so about this area , in his publication he says that but I think he 's changed his mind . " orwhatever . Then the issue of {disfmarker} of being able to trace Joe , because we know he 's well - known in this field , and all this and {disfmarker} and tie it to the speaker , whose name was just mentioned amoment ago , can be sensitive .Professor E: b But I {disfmarker}Postdoc B: So I think it 's really {disfmarker} really kind of adaptive and wise to not mention names any more than we have to because if there 's aslanderous aspect to it , then how much to we wanna be able to have to remove ?Professor E: Yeah , well , there 's that . But I {disfmarker} I mean I think also to some extent it 's just educating the Human Subjectspeople , in a way , because there 's {disfmarker} If uh {disfmarker} You know , there 's court transcripts , there 's {disfmarker} there 's transcripts of radio shows {disfmarker} I mean people say people 's names allthe time . So I think it {disfmarker} it can't be bad to say people 's names . It 's just that {disfmarker} i I mean you 're right that there 's more poten If we never say anybody 's name , then there 's no chance of{disfmarker} of {disfmarker} of slandering anybody ,PhD C: But , then it won't {disfmarker} I mean , if we {disfmarker} if we {disfmarker}Professor E: but {disfmarker}Grad G: It 's not a meeting .PhD C: Yeah . Imean we should do whatever 's natural in a meeting if {disfmarker} if we weren't being recorded .Professor E: Yeah . Right , so I {disfmarker} So my behavior is probably not natural .PhD C: " If Person X {disfmarker}"Professor E: So .Postdoc B: Well , my feeling on it was that it wasn't really important who said it , you know .Professor E: Yeah .PhD F: Well , if you ha since you have to um go over the transcripts later anyway , youcould make it one of the jobs of the {pause} people who do that to markGrad G: Well , we t we t we talked about this during the anon anonymization .PhD F: Right .Grad G: If we wanna go through and extract from theaudio and the written every time someone says a name . And I thought that our conclusion was that we didn't want to do that .Professor E: Yeah , we really can't . But a actually , I 'm sorry . I really would like to push{disfmarker} finish this off .Postdoc B: I understand . No I just {disfmarker} I just was suggesting that it 's not a bad policy p potentially .Professor E: So it 's {disfmarker}Postdoc B: So , we need to talk about thislater .Professor E: Yeah , I di I didn't intend it an a policy though .Postdoc B: Uh - huh .Professor E: It was {disfmarker} it was just it was just unconscious {disfmarker} well , semi - conscious behavior . I sorta knew Iwas doing it but it was {disfmarker}PhD F: Well , I still don't know who " he " is .Professor E: I {disfmarker} I do I don't remember who " he " is .PhD C: No , you have to say , you still don't know who " he " is , withthat prosody .Professor E: Ah . Uh , we were talking about Dan at one point {comment} and we were talking about Lokendra at another point .Postdoc B: Yeah , depends on which one you mean .Professor E: And Idon't {disfmarker} I don't remember which {disfmarker} which part .PhD F: Oh .PhD C: It 's ambiguous , so it 's OK .Professor E: Uh , I think {disfmarker}Grad G: Well , the inference structures was Lokendra .PhD F:But no . The inference stuff was {disfmarker} was {disfmarker} was Lokendra .Professor E: Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .PhD F: OK . That makes sense , yeah .PhD C: And the downsampling must have been Dan .Professor E:Um {disfmarker}Grad G: Yeah .Professor E: Good {disfmarker} Yeah .PhD C: It 's an inference .Professor E: Yeah , you could do all these inferences , yeah .Grad G: Yeah .Professor E: Yeah . Um , I {disfmarker} Iwould like to move it into {disfmarker} into uh what Jose uh has been doingPostdoc B: Yeah .Professor E: because he 's actually been doing something .PhD D: Uh - huh . OK .Professor E: So . {vocalsound} Right .PhDF: As opposed to the rest of us .PhD D: Well - {comment} {vocalsound} OK . I {disfmarker} I remind that me {disfmarker} my first objective eh , in the project is to {disfmarker} to study difference parameters to{disfmarker} to find a {disfmarker} a good solution to detect eh , the overlapping zone in eh speech recorded . But eh , {vocalsound} tsk , {comment} {vocalsound} ehhh {comment} In that way {comment} I{disfmarker} {vocalsound} I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I begin to {disfmarker} to study and to analyze the ehn {disfmarker} the recorded speech eh the different session to {disfmarker} to find and to locate and tomark eh the {disfmarker} the different overlapping zone . And eh so eh I was eh {disfmarker} I am transcribing the {disfmarker} the first session and I {disfmarker} I have found eh , eh one thousand acoustic events ,eh besides the overlapping zones , eh I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I mean the eh breaths eh aspiration eh , eh , talk eh , eh , clap , eh {disfmarker} {comment} I don't know what is the different names eh you use to{disfmarker} to name the {disfmarker} the {pause} n speechPhD A: Nonspeech sounds ?PhD D: Yeah .Grad G: Oh , I don't think we 've been doing it at that level of detail . So .PhD D: Yeah . Eh , {vocalsound} I


Marketing: Is this okay ?Project Manager: Uh yeah . Fine now . Oh , it's not liking us , it went that-a-way . Computer adjusting . Oh . Uh . Okay . {vocalsound} So . Right . You ready back there ? {vocalsound} Uh okay. Welcome everyone . Um this is the kick-off meeting for the day . Um we're the new group uh to create a new remote control for Real Reaction . As you can see our agenda is to open up the meeting , um becomeacquainted with each other , um have a little training on tools , uh create a plan , discuss things and and we only have twenty minut twenty five minutes total . Okay . The new remote control is to be original , trendyand user-friendly . That , Steph , is your part , is the user-friendliness . The originality um is gonna take all of us . Um the trendiness we'll probably go look at {disfmarker} for some marketing research information fromyou , Sarah . Um and we'll get on with it . Okay , so we'll have a functional design individual work um with meeting and then conceptual design t and then detailed design . Okay ? Right . Everybody's supposed to try outthe whiteboard . Kate , why don't you try it first , if you can either bring your things with you , I guess {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Uh yeah , if I can pick up with all these bits and pieces , hang on .ProjectManager: And while you're doing that we'll try and figure out how to hook these things on as well , 'cause we're all gonna have to be able to walk around .Industrial Designer: Uh right , so you want an animal and thecharacteristics of that animal . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Do you have to be able to recognise what animal it is ? {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}Project Manager: Uh I do not thinkso ,User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Are we all gonna draw a cat ?Project Manager: I think it's just to try out the whiteboard . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Ah {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Only animal I could thin I could draw {vocalsound} .Marketing: I know .Industrial Designer: Its a sort of bunny rabbit cat . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:You can tell it's not a bunny rabbit by the ears .Project Manager: Uh-huh .Industrial Designer: Um I suppose it should have a mouth as well , sort of {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Right , yeah.Project Manager: Great . And the characteristics ?Industrial Designer: Um the favourite characteristics of the cat um {disfmarker} the whiskers I think , um because they're the easiest to draw .Project Manager:Uh-huh .Industrial Designer: In fact , I'll give it some more {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Oh , and the tailProject Manager: Fantastic . Since you're handy as well , why don'tyou do yours next , Steph . I think it's to get us used to using the pen .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yes . Um sure it's not to test our artistic {disfmarker}Project Manager: Uh no . {vocalsound} A mouse-y?Industrial Designer: It's a mouse .User Interface: That's not a mouse-y , no .Industrial Designer: No it's not a mouse . It's a wombat .Project Manager: Oh .User Interface: It's a ratty .Project Manager: Argh .IndustrialDesigner: A what ?Project Manager: Rat .User Interface: A ratty .Project Manager: Not a mouse , a rat .Industrial Designer: A webbed foot . Webbed f {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} It's clothes . That's it'sclothes . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Oh right {vocalsound} .User Interface: It's a ratty with a with a with a very long tail .Project Manager: And your favourite characteristics of thatanimal .User Interface: I love whiskers . Uh they're intelligent and they're cheeky {vocalsound} and uh fantastic petsProject Manager: Oh .User Interface: and very friendly .Project Manager: Okay . Kate ?IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: And they sit on your shoulder and whisper the answers to your homework in your ear when you're doing your homework .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing:Thanks .Project Manager: Oh , a fish .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Gosh ,User Interface: A shark ?Industrial Designer: why didn't I think of fish ? That's even easier to draw than cat . {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm{vocalsound} this is very representational fish . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh , okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Fine .Marketing: Um I like them because they're sleekProject Manager:Favourite characteristics ?Marketing: and they have a lot of freedom but they also do n uh swim in groups ,Project Manager: 'Kay .Marketing: so .Project Manager: So they have team elements . {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Marketing: Do you have a favourite one ?Project Manager: I'm afraid I'm with Steph . And I think your pen's running out of whatever . But I'm afraid I take the coward's way out , and the cat'slooking the other way . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: He's hiding .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um cats are sometimes very independent . Myparents had cats . Uh and they can mm decide for themselves what is best . Okay . Now um {vocalsound} we have to get down to the nitty-gritty of how to make this and this remote control has to be sold {disfmarker}um we're to sell it for twenty five Euros , with a profit aim ultimately of fifty million Euros . That tells you something about how many um we have to sell on an international scale . Um would be an awful lot of these ,would be like what , a hundred million of them um to make twenty five Euros on each one and to make a total profit of fifty million . Um the production is to only cost twelve and a half Euros per item . Now if they costtwelve and a half , you're selling it for twenty five , you're making twelve and a half Euros each . Um and we're to make a profit of fifty million , that's t uh {disfmarker} can you do the maths and how many are weselling ?Marketing: {vocalsound} Uh yeah . {vocalsound} I was just wondering if that's the um {disfmarker} If fifty percent is normal {disfmarker}Project Manager: Mark-up ?Marketing: B yeah . Um I would thinkwould be more like sixty percent . But um let me {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: I have two thoughts . One hundred , fifty percent .Project Manager: {gap}Marketing: And and your question is howmany do we have to sell ?Project Manager: Yes , 'cause our market um is international and your problem is {disfmarker} has to do with marketing of {disfmarker} you know , you gotta know how many we're going tobe selling to know how big a market you have to target and who is that .Marketing: At twenty five . Mm-hmm . Yeah , that's um {disfmarker}Project Manager: To give you a pretty good idea of where you're looking.Marketing: So that's four million of them ?Project Manager: Something like that ? Okay .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: That's fifty million Euros . In order to make fifty million Euros , and you're only getting twelveand a half each {disfmarker}Marketing: And if we make {disfmarker} Mm-hmm .Project Manager: That's a lot of selling . Two four {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah . Four million .Project Manager: To be fifty , be fourmillion . You'd have to sell four million .Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: Okay ? Right . Experience with a remote control . Any of you use of remote control for a television or D_V_D_ or something ? You're bothnodding ,Industrial Designer: That that that's the sorta product we're talking about , one that will work for a {disfmarker} in a home environment , for a T_V_s and {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: allthree . Well I've seen some remote controls that are for more than one device at a time , but I also have heard about them not working well or not well co-ordinated and you wind up working with this one for thi thisthree and then this one over here for another .User Interface: It is true that you always sit around {disfmarker} you know , you're sitting on your sofa and you wanna change something , there's five different remotes ,and one for the D_V_D_ and one for the video and one for cable and one for whatever else .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm-hmm . Y yeah .Project Manager: And they don't always talk to each other.User Interface: But I presume this is t I presume this is just for television .Project Manager: Don't know . Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Are there any um ideas for the remote ? What would it be forand what group would be be for ? We have to think about that one .Marketing: We could make a Hello KittyIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: themed remote .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Ithink one in b bright colours would be good . {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I think one that works would be good . {vocalsound}Marketing: We could totally go for the Japan-a-mation. Well I mean there's also the cachet that um uh the Japanese make great {vocalsound} products . Electrical {disfmarker} their industrial design is very good .User Interface: I think one that doesn't have lots ofsuperfluous functions . Like I've got one at home that has well , apart from the obvious , channels , channel up , channel down , volume ,Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: you know , subtitles , mute , there's a lottabuttons that I've got no idea what they do , like {vocalsound} .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Well , that's a really good point ,Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: because I think one of the things that{disfmarker} being somewhat computer literate , we tend to um go to menus and then make choices , you know , so if it's like an uh volume button , you know , you can go in and say mute or or volume . We don'tneed to have like the l the numbers if we also have uh uh channel up channel down .User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: Mm . {vocalsound} Okay .Marketing: Mm . We can make it smart like an iPod , you know ,make everything menus .User Interface: Ooh , closing the meeting .Project Manager: Yeah . Um I know this sounds like it was very quick ,User Interface: That was quick .Project Manager: but the I think that's theindustrial design is the first one ,Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: that's Kate , for the working design .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: And user , that's you S Steph , for the technicalfunctions design , and for marketing the user requirements specification . I think there's going to be a lot of {disfmarker} we have to help each other and work through this as a group , and I think we all , you know ,{vocalsound} we like our kitty-cat and our rat and our fish , but I think we all have to like each other um to get this done . Uh as it says , we're gonna get individual instructions , but uh I don't think they allowed a lot ofextra time , so I think a little bit of less of this and more at do will set us in good stead . Do you all agree ?Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Alright . Um then I don't see anyreason to prolong it and f we should finish this meeting at ni right now and go into other things . Alright , so this is the end of the first meeting .Marketing: Okay .Industrial Designer: 'Kay .Project Manager: Thank youall .