Marketing: Oh right okay . {vocalsound} I cover myself up . {vocalsound}Project Manager: I feel like Madonna with one of these on . I said I feel like Madonna with one of these on . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: {gap} .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} I've always wanted one of these , I really have . {vocalsound} Where do you buy 'em from ? {vocalsound} They're {gap}.Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Right . Hello everybody .User Interface: Hello .Project Manager: Back again for another wonderful meeting.Industrial Designer: {gap} .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Is uh everyone ready ?User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Almost . {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay , we c we canhold on for a minute .Marketing: {vocalsound} Oh my gosh . {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound}Project Manager: I figured with the spam thing , if you can't beat it , join in . {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: That's the kind of spam that everybody likes to receive .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm 'kay .Project Manager: Areyou ready ? Okay , right , well , I take it that you are all ready now .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um alright first off we'll just uh recap from our last meeting . Um {vocalsound} which was we got togetherjust to basically decide on {disfmarker} well to talk about what it is that we were actually uh supposed to be doing ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: and who we all are and stuff like that , mm get bit more ofan idea together of what's going on . {vocalsound} Um what we are gonna talk about in this meeting is um now that we know what it is that we are doing , now we know that it's a T_V_ remote and stuff and you guyshave just been off doing some some uh R_ and D_ for that , that's research and development for those that haven't heard that before ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: see I'mlearning all sorts of new technologi terms in technology today . Um yeah , we're gonna hear your uh th three little presentations ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: whether they be on computer or on thewhiteboard or whatever you want .User Interface: Hmm . {vocalsound} Do you have any preference uh of order ?Project Manager: Um I'd like to um hearMarketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: o I'd like to hearwho's g who's on the um from from uh Catherine actually first . I want {disfmarker} what I'd like to hear about is uh if we've finally decided on um what sort of energy we're gonna be using andIndustrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: Batteries .User Interface: I think she is still finishing her {gap} . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: No no no no , it's fine I'm just preparing .Project Manager: It's just that {disfmarker} yeah ,let's let's hear from you first .Industrial Designer: Okay .User Interface: Hmm .Industrial Designer: Where is that thing ?User Interface: Okay , it's uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Marketing: It's here .Industrial Designer:Oh sorry , couldn't see .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Would that work ?Project Manager: Get yourself in position . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay , so that's me again .Marketing:Ah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Um so um for the energy sources we can have a basic battery , a hand dynamo which is {disfmarker} which was used uh in the fifties for torches , if you remember that kind of{disfmarker} which wouldn't be v wouldn't be v vProject Manager: I don't think any of us remember the fifties .User Interface: Is it like a crank thing or something {gap} .Industrial Designer: yeah , yeah . It wouldn'tbe very fancy .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: You can have a kinetic provision of energy , which is used on some watches these days . So if you have just a bit of gentle movement that {disfmarker} it willgive it the energy to work .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: Or you can use solar cells , but I'm not sure about that indoors , really , but {disfmarker}User Interface: Well , there's sometimes combinations , I mean ,like calculators do combinations of battery with {disfmarker} but also using some solar power .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Do {gap} sol solar panel things , do they have to work from the sun or canthey work from a light bulb ?Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: Does anybody know ?Industrial Designer: I dunno actually .User Interface: Uh I think , it has to be on the on the solar energy , but I don't know .IndustrialDesigner: I dunno . Um . Think the the uh what would cost the less would be the basic battery , really .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: And uh if we want something fancier , I think the kinetic provision ofenergy could be nice ,Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: but I don't know if it's worth the cost . So we've got to discuss that .Project Manager: Mm . Okay , jolly good .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} For the case ofthe remotes itself , um they can be a general case , which is just a flat one . You can have uh a curved one or a double curved one , if you know what I mean , so {disfmarker}Project Manager: What's a double curvedone ?Industrial Designer: You know , kind of more ergonomic , that kind of suits the palm of your hand , that kind of thing .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Um then the casematerial itself , so it can be uh uh either plastic or latex , uh rubber , wood , or titanium . And th for each of them you have uh cases where {disfmarker} for example titanium , you can't use it for {disfmarker} if you ifwe're choosing a double curved case , we can't choose titanium . And if we are choosing um solar cells then we can't choose latex for the case material , so we just have to take that into account . But if we're choosingjust the flat case then we can go for anything . And I think we discussed earlier on the R_ S_ I_ problem thing , so we could uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: So that might be an idea of using the rubber ,IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .Project Manager: but then it should , you know {disfmarker}User Interface: Let's have a squeezable remote . {vocalsound}Project Manager: yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah . And also it doesn't breakas easily maybe ,Project Manager: {gap} when a T_V_ programme's got one {gap}Industrial Designer: I dunno {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: watching the match and {gap} your team'sjust lost , you can fuzz it across the room and it'll bounce off the wall back at you .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah , I like that idea .Marketing:Mm .Industrial Designer: So rubber would be {disfmarker} Okay .Marketing: I think rubber's {disfmarker}Project Manager: Rubber , we're all we're all going {disfmarker} we're all liking that idea ? You think you canmarket that ?Marketing: But after my after my fashion thing , I think you'll realise that rubber is more {disfmarker}Project Manager: Ooh , we like rubber , ooh . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh s so if dMarketing:People . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: okay . And then there are the push-buttons , so you can have basic push-buttons or a scroll-wheels , like you have on a mouse , um or you could have um L_C_D_ , whichgives you a display . Um scroll buttons , as well .Project Manager: Uh-huh .Industrial Designer: So if you use a rubber double curved case , you must use rubber push-buttons . So if we're going for rubber then we haveto decide for the case . Um and if we choose double curved then we have to go for rubber push-buttons .Project Manager: Well , we're gonna go with {gap} I think we've decided that it's gonna be a rubber case so{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: So it's a constraint . Yeah , but is it a double curved one or not ? {vocalsound} If it's not a double curved , then we've got the choice for the push-buttons , if it's a double curve , we'vegotta go for rubber push-buttons . If that makes sense .Project Manager: {gap} push buttons instead of the wheel ?Industrial Designer: Yeah . {gap} .User Interface: If it's rubber , isn't it malleable anyway , {gap} itdoesn't matter if it's double {disfmarker} I mean isn't a rubber case , mean it's completely flexed , I mean , it it flexes to whatever they want it to ? Mean so what's the difference between a normal rubber case and arubble doub double {disfmarker} rubber double curved case ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: {gap} rubble double double . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: No , but na le you see , you've got , okay , the energy that'sone thing ,Project Manager: I'll have a Big Mac , please . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: then you have the case is uh , whether it's flat or curved . And that's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we don't care if it's rubrubber or not , but then we've decided that we going for rubber for the case material . So if we've chosen rub rubber and if now we have the choice for the case whether it's flat , single curved or double curved . And I'mjust saying if it {disfmarker} if we choose it to be double curved then we need to go {disfmarker} I dunno why , but we need to go for uh rubber push-buttons . So , either {disfmarker}User Interface: Okay .IndustrialDesigner: I dunno we just need to decide on the on the case .Project Manager: Let's have rubber push buttons , hey .User Interface: Okay . Go rubber . Go rubber the whole way .Industrial Designer: Let's go crazy .{vocalsound} And then , do I have a last slide ? Yes , I do . Um so the push-buttons themselves they can be just simple or they can be {disfmarker} so that's just the electronics between the but behind thepush-buttons .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Um and the price that go with it with it , so the simple push-buttons are gonna be the cheapest . Uh if we get a scroll-wheel , that's a higher price range . If weget an advanced chip which is um used for the L_C_D_ , the display thing , then that's even more expensive .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Simple , yeah . Chip on print . It's a bit {gap} . {vocalsound} Okay , uhwhat I'm not understanding hereIndustrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: {vocalsound} is uh , okay , advanced chip on print , which I presume is like one P_C_B_ and that's got all the electronics on one boardincluding the um infra-red sender ?Industrial Designer: {gap} . Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: The infra-red . Yeah .Project Manager: Right . Um what a what alternatives do we have to that ?{vocalsound} Y um {vocalsound} what alternatives do we have to the chip on print ?Industrial Designer: Well , if if it's not chip on print then , I guess , you get different chip components , and you build them separatelyand doesn't include the infra-red . It's less expensive mm {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} so it sounds {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Technically speaking , it's not as advanced , but it does the job , too. {vocalsound}Project Manager: So , why would we not go for that ? If it's something that's inside the the unit . {vocalsound} I it doesn't affects whether the customer's gonna buy it or not .Industrial Designer: Fo Itdoesn't , yeah , yeah , yeah . Totally . Yeah .Project Manager: Um we wanna go for an i i all {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So let's not go for the {disfmarker}Project Manager: so long as it works ,IndustrialDesigner: Yeah , yeah . I agree .Project Manager: you know . So let's not let's uh not bother with the chip on print .Industrial Designer: So it's either um the scroll-wheel or the push-buttons .Project Manager: Yeah . Syeah , push buttons .Marketing: What about the just developed uh sample sensor ?User Interface: I think push-buttons is {disfmarker}Project Manager: What about what ?Marketing: G there , the sample sensor ,sample speaker thing .Industrial Designer: Well {disfmarker}Project Manager: Well , what do we need a speaker for in a remote control unit ?Marketing: Mm , I dunno . Be cool .Industrial Designer: It'd be it'd be cool ,but they are saying they've just developed it ,User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} Channel two . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'm just guessing . But it's gonna be the most expensive option , probablyand {disfmarker}Project Manager: SUser Interface: Th the the {vocalsound} speech recognition um option is {disfmarker} it doesn't seem really very promising for us uh ,Project Manager: Yeah . It's not somethingthat we wanna t go into with this product .User Interface: 'cause uh {disfmarker} The yeah the example that they're already using it for is with the coffee machine , where , basically , you can program a sample wi um{disfmarker} That when you say something it will give a response , and you program the response as well . Just uh clips of tha that you record yourself . So you can program your coffee-maker that when you say , goodmorning , to it it says , hello Rick , or whatever .Project Manager: Yeah . {vocalsound}User Interface: But , I mean , it's not {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Hm .User Interface: it would be one thing if it was speechrecognition where you say something and it turns the T_V_ on like , turn the T_V_ on , and i turns {disfmarker} comes on , but it's not that . It just gives you a it just gives you a verbal response .Marketing: Oh , it justgives an answer .User Interface: So , yeah , I mean , like what's the point of saying , Hello remote , I mean , hello , how how are you ? {vocalsound}Marketing: Oh , then then {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah. {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Just if you are really lonely , maybe . {vocalsound}Marketing: I thought I thought it was {disfmarker} when they said {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah , if you're reallylonely , it is it's {disfmarker}Marketing: I thought when they said , voice recognition , they meant um like ,Industrial Designer: Channel five . And then it switches on .Marketing: channel five , and it will change .UserInterface: No , tha that w that w that would be more promising .Marketing: Like you talk to it . Can I have channel five ?Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: It it's just a remote thattalks to you .Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah .User Interface: Uh . {vocalsound} I mean to certain cues .Marketing: Oh , then {gap} forget about it . Oh right okay .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Okay , soI'll go back , maybe , to the previous slide and we can decide for each problem , what we should choose . So for the energy source , do we go for the battery or the {disfmarker}User Interface: 'Kay . Yeah , I'm fine withthe basic battery .Project Manager: Basic battery .Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: It's cheap , it's cheerful , it's worked , does work .User Interface: Hmm .Industrial Designer: Cheaper option . Are you happy with that?Marketing: Mm . Yeah .Industrial Designer: Okay . So we'll go for the battery . Then the case , do you want it flat or curved or sing or double curved ?Project Manager: We were go we were going with the late with thethe R_S_I_ rubber , weren't we ?User Interface: Yeah , so we want it rub rubber double curved . {vocalsound}Project Manager: The the {gap} {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Marketing: So it will look like something likethis .Industrial Designer: Double ?Project Manager: The double whopper , please .Industrial Designer: Okay , so then if we use double curved case , then we have to u choose rubber push-buttons ,Project Manager: Yep, but {disfmarker} we're going for the simple buttons .User Interface: So rubber rubber keys , yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: and that's fine ?Project Manager: And it's cheapest all round , it soundskinda funky , and we can also market itIndustrial Designer: PUser Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: as i 'cause we were s saying earl you were saying earlier in your research that um the the people have the R_{disfmarker} people were getting the {disfmarker} complaining about R_S_I_ , and this is anti-R_S_I_ .Marketing: {gap} .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: So that's another marketingpoint that we can use .Marketing: Well the rubber push-buttons {gap} . Don't you have to move your {disfmarker}Project Manager: But anything is gonna have buttons .Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: Even if it's ajog wheel , it's still repetitive . You {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: I thought they would give an option of flat buttons or a {disfmarker}Project Manager: You see , you can still get {disfmarker} it does you still getrepetitive strain injury , whether you are pressing a button or pressing a flat bit of screen .Industrial Designer: That they don't . {vocalsound}Project Manager: It's the v it's the fact that you are pressing the same{disfmarker} doing the same movement .Industrial Designer: Mm .User Interface: {gap} .Project Manager: It's not actually what you are doing .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: But the fact that thisthis rubber i is actually used in these anti-R_S_I_ ps specific {disfmarker}Marketing: Mm .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah , the rubber's good .User Interface: We're giving them a way to burn off steam ,basically , yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah , so they can sit there and go like {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} Not that watching T_V_ should be that stressful .Project Manager: And you know ,yeah , you can fuzz it across the room and throw it at throw it at your children {disfmarker} yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh yeah , I guess T_V_ can be stressful , yeah , if you'rewatching sports .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Alright , that's me done .Project Manager: Okay , Gabriel . Let's um let's let's hear from you about the um it's {disfmarker} the interface .User Interface:Alright . Alright . Yeah , some of what I have to say ties into what Catherine was just talking about .Project Manager: Great .Industrial Designer: Sorry .User Interface: Okay , so I'm continuing with the user interface uhtopic . And so basically I consulted with our manufacturing division . It sounded like Catherine was also speaking with them . Uh I also took uh Reissa's marketing findings from the last meeting into consideration um ,'cause I think that's that's crucial as far as uh what keys we're going to inc inclu what buttons we are going to include and and how they're laid out .Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: Uh and so the manufacturingdivision uh sent some some samples of of uh interface components that we might be interested in using that have been used in other products , uh like the coffee machine . So I already mentioned the speechrecognition interface .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: I guess , we we basically vetoed that idea . It's it's pointless .Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: Uh it's just a sample sensor sample output . It wouldjust be probably the most expensive part of our remote without any actual interesting functionality as far as operating the T_V_ . Uh so yeah , they they also give the uh {disfmarker} they they suggested the idea ofusing a spinning wheel like you use on the side of an M_P_ three player like iPod .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: Mm .User Interface: Um so we've already addressed that and I think that would actually be worse forsomething like R_S_I_ I mean you got that thumb movement that you're constantly doing .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Mm .User Interface: Um the other suggestion ,Marketing: That does get annoying .UserInterface: and I I have a feeling that we're interested in in something more general , but they suggested uh , you know , going i a little bit into a a niche , like either gearing our remote towards kids , where you couldhave {gap} lot of colours um , the keys might be you know , funny or or {gap} ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: or uh something for the elderly , where the remote's very large and the buttons are verylarge and there's only a few buttons . But you know we can we can discuss this , but it sounded like from our last meeting we really wanted something that was general , but done well .Project Manager: Yeah .UserInterface: Uh {gap} um {disfmarker} So , the key layout and design are really crucial . You don't want uh you want people to be able to quickly access the buttons that they use a lot without uh always pressing thewrong one um . And I didn't mention that we need a power button {gap} in our last {disfmarker} I can give you an example here of uh , {gap} good layout and bad layoutIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}UserInterface: uh from our manufacturing department . So this would be an example of bad layout , where you have volume up and volume down , but they have a V_ on both of them , so uhProject Manager: Yeah . Yeah.User Interface: it's sort of confusing for the user . Uh this is the example of the giant remote that's impossible to lose .Project Manager: Do we have an uh example of a good one ? {gap} {vocalsound} Brilliant


Professor C: Starts {disfmarker} No . No .PhD D: No . That 's a different thing .Professor C: There 's another {disfmarker} I don't know . It starts with a P or something . I forget the word for it , but it 's {disfmarker} it's umPhD D: Oh .Professor C: Typically when you {disfmarker} you 're ab r starting around forty for most people , it starts to harden and then it 's just harder for the lens to shift thingsPhD D: Oh .Professor C: and ththe {disfmarker} the symptom is typically that you {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you have to hold stuff uh uh further away to {disfmarker} to see it .PhD E: Uh - huh . Yeah .Professor C: In fact , uh m my brother 's a{pause} gerontological psychologist and he {disfmarker} he uh {vocalsound} came up with an {disfmarker} an uh {disfmarker} a uh body age test which uh gets down to sort of only three measurements that aregood enough st statistical predictors of all the rest of it . And one of them is {disfmarker} is the distance {vocalsound} that you have to hold it at .PhD D: Give someone a piece of paper and then they {disfmarker} Oh.PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: Yeah .Grad A: We 're {disfmarker} we 're live by the way , so we 've got a good intro hereProfessor C: Oh . Yeah . About how old I am .Grad A: Yep .Professor C: OK .Grad A: We can edit thatout if you want .PhD D: Oh , that 's optional .Professor C: No , that 's OK .Grad A: OK . So . This time the form discussion should be very short ,PhD D: You know .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Grad A: right ?Professor C: It alsoshould be {pause} later .Grad A: OK .Professor C: Because Jane uh is not here yet .Grad A: Good point .Professor C: And uh she 'll be most interested in that . Uh , she 's probably least involved in the signal -processing stuff so maybe we can just {disfmarker} just uh , I don't think we should go though an elaborate thing , but um uh Jose and I were just talking about {vocalsound} the uh {nonvocalsound} uh , speech eenergy thing ,PhD E: The @ @ {disfmarker}Professor C: and I uh {disfmarker}PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: We didn't talk about the derivatives . But I think , you know , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} i if I can{disfmarker} if you don't mind my {disfmarker} my speaking for you for a bit , um {vocalsound} Uh . Right now , that he 's not really showing any kind of uh distinction , but uh {disfmarker} but we discussed a coupleof the possible things that uh he can look at . Um . And uh one is that uh this is all in log energy and log energy is basically compressing the distances {vocalsound} uh {pause} between things . Um {pause} Another isthat he needs to play with the {disfmarker} the different uh {pause} uh temporal sizes . He was {disfmarker} he {disfmarker} he was taking everything over two hundred milliseconds uh , and uh he 's going to varythat number and also look at moving windows , as we discussed before . Um And uh {disfmarker} and the other thing is that the {disfmarker} yeah doing the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} subtracting off the mean andthe variance in the {disfmarker} {pause} uh and dividing it by the {pause} standard deviation in the log domain , {vocalsound} may not be {pause} the right thing to do .Grad A: Hi Jane !PhD E: Hi .Grad A: We juststarted .PhD E: Yeah .Grad A: Could you take that mike there ?PhD D: Are these the long term means ? Like , over the whole {disfmarker} I mean , the means of {pause} what ?Grad A: Thanks .Professor C: Uh BBetween {disfmarker} between {disfmarker}PhD D: All the frames in the conversation ?Professor C: No .PhD D: Or of things that {disfmarker}Professor C: Between {disfmarker} Neither . It 's uh between the pauses{pause} uh for some segment .PhD E: No .PhD D: Oh .Professor C: And so i i his {disfmarker} his {disfmarker} He 's making the constraint it has to be at least two hundred milliseconds .PhD D: Oh .Professor C: And soyou take that . And then he 's {disfmarker} he 's uh measuring at the frame level {disfmarker} still at the frame level , of what {disfmarker}PhD D: Right .Professor C: and then {disfmarker} and then just uhnormalizing with that larger amount . um and {disfmarker} But one thing he was pointing out is when he {disfmarker} he looked at a bunch of examples in log domain , it is actually pretty hard to see {vocalsound} thechange . And you can sort of {pause} see that , because of j of just putting it on the board that {vocalsound} if you sort of have log - X plus log - X , that 's the log of X plus the log of twoPhD E: Yep .PhD D: Yeah ,maybe it 's not log distributed .PhD E: Mmm . Yeah .Professor C: and it 's just , {pause} you know , it {disfmarker} it diminishes the {pause} effect of having two of them .PhD E: Professor C: Um .PhD D: But you coulddo like a C D F there instead ? I mean , we don't know that the distribution here is normally .Professor C: Yes , right . So {disfmarker} So what I was suggesting to him is that {disfmarker}PhD D: So just some kind of asimple {disfmarker}Professor C: Actually , a PDF . But , you know , uh But , either way .PhD D: PDFProfessor C: Yeah . Yeah , eith eith uh {vocalsound} BPhD D: Yeah .PhD E: Yeah .PhD D: Something like that where it's sort of data driven .Professor C: Yeah , but I think {pause} also u I think a good first indicator is when the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the researcher looks at {vocalsound} examples of the data and can not see achange {pause} in how big the {disfmarker} the signal is , {vocalsound} when the two speaker {disfmarker}PhD E: Yeah . Yeah .Professor C: Then , that 's a problem right there . So . I think you should at least beable ,PhD D: Oh yeah .Professor C: doing casual looking and can get the sense , " Hey , there 's something there . " and then you can play around with the measures . And when he 's looking in the log domain he 's notreally seeing it .PhD D: Oh yeah .PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: So . And when he 's looking in straight energy he is , so that 's a good place to start .PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: Um . So that was {disfmarker} that was thediscussion we just had . Um . {vocalsound} The other thing Actually we ca had a question for Adam in this . Uh , when you did the {vocalsound} sampling ? uh {pause} over the {pause} speech segments or s orsampling over the {disfmarker} the individual channels in order to do the e uh the {pause} amplitude equalization , {vocalsound} did you do it over just the entire {disfmarker} everything in the mike channels ?PhD E:How {disfmarker}Professor C: You didn't try to find speech ?Grad A: No , I just took over the entire s uh entire channel um {pause} sampled ten minutes randomly .Professor C: Right , OK . So then that means thatsomeone who didn't speak {pause} very much {vocalsound} would be largely represented by silence .Grad A: Yep .Professor C: And someone who would {disfmarker} who would be {disfmarker} So the normalizationfactor probably is {pause} i i i {pause} is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker}Grad A: Yeah , this was quite quick and dirty , and it was just for {pause} listening .PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: Yeah .Grad A: And for listening itseems to work really well .Professor C: OK .PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: Yeah .PhD E: Yeah .Grad A: So .Professor C: Yeah . But that 's {disfmarker}Grad A: But , it 's not {disfmarker} Not a good measure .Professor C:Right . So thPhD E: Yeah .Professor C: OK . So yeah there {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} There 's a good chance then given that different people do talk different amounts {pause} that there is{disfmarker} there {disfmarker} there is still a lot more to be gained from gain norm normalization with some sortPhD E: Yeah . Yeah . Mmm .Grad A: Yes , absolutely .Professor C: if {disfmarker} if we can figure out away to do it .PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: Uh . But we were agreed that in addition to that {comment} uh there should be {pause} s stuff related to pitch and harmonics and so forth .PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: So wedidn't talk at all about uh the other derivatives , but uh again just {disfmarker} just looking at {disfmarker} Uh , I think uh Liz has a very good point , that in fact it would be much more graphic just to show{disfmarker} Well , actually , you do have some distributions here , uh for these cases .PhD E: Yeah . Yeah .Professor C: You have some histograms , um {pause} and {pause} uh , they don't look very separate .PhD E:Yeah .Professor C: uh {vocalsound} {pause} separated .PhD E: This is the {disfmarker} the first derivate of log of frame energy uh without any kind of normalization .PhD D: What {disfmarker}Professor C: Yeah . Yeah. Yeah .PhD D: Log energy . Sorry .PhD E: These the These are the {disfmarker} the first experiments uh with comment uhPhD D: Frame energy .Grad A: Except that {pause} it 's hard to judge this because the{disfmarker} they 're not normalized . It 's just number of frames .PhD D: Yeah .Professor C: Yeah .PhD D: Yeah .PhD E: Yeah .Grad A: But yeah , even so .PhD D: W {vocalsound} I mean , what I meant is , even ifyou use linear , {pause} you know , raw {pause} measures , like {pause} raw energy or whatever ,Professor C: " Number " {disfmarker}PhD D: maybe we shouldn't make any assumptions about the distribution 'sshape , and just use {disfmarker} you know , use the distribution to model the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {pause} the mean , or what y you know , rather than the mean take some {disfmarker}Professor C: Yeah .But {disfmarker} And so in {disfmarker} in these he 's got that .PhD D: Yeah .Professor C: He 's got some pictures . But he doesn't {disfmarker} he doesn't in the {disfmarker} he iPhD E: Yeah .Professor C: just inderivatives , but not in the {disfmarker}PhD D: Yeah . Oh .Professor C: but he d but he doesn't {disfmarker} doesn't {disfmarker}PhD D: Right . So , we don't {pause} know what they look like {pause} on the ,{pause} tsk {disfmarker} {comment} For the raw .Professor C: But he didn't h have it for the energy . He had it for the derivatives . Yeah .PhD D: Yeah . So . I mean , there might be something there . I don't know.Professor C: Yeah .PhD D: Huh .Grad A: InterestingPhD E: Here I {disfmarker} IProfessor C: Oh that {disfmarker} yeah that 's a good qPhD E: in {disfmarker} No I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I haven't theresultProfessor C: did {disfmarker} did you have this sort of thing , for just the {disfmarker} just the l r uh the {disfmarker} the unnormalized log energy ? OK . Yeah . So she {disfmarker} she 's right .PhD E: but it 'sthe {disfmarker} it 's the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the following .Professor C: That 's a {disfmarker}PhD D: Well it might be just good to know what it looks like .Professor C: Yeah . That 's {disfmarker} That 's uh{pause} cuz I 'd mentioned scatter plots before but she 's right ,PhD D: Cuz {disfmarker}PhD E: Huh ?Professor C: I mean , even before you get the scatter plots , just looking at a single feature {vocalsound} uh ,looking at the distribution , is a good thing to do .PhD E: Yeah . Catal - uh {disfmarker} Combining the different possibilities of uh the parameters . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I mean the {disfmarker}the {disfmarker} the scatter plot {pause} combining eh different {pause} n two combination .Professor C: Yeah , but {disfmarker} but what she 's saying {pause} is , which is right , is {pause} lePhD E: combination oftwo , {pause} of energy and derivate {disfmarker}Professor C: I mean , let 's start with the {disfmarker} Before we get complicated , let 's start with the most basic wh thing , which is {pause} we 're arguing that ifyou take energy {disfmarker} uh if you look at the energy , that , when two people are speaking at the same time , usually {vocalsound} {pause} there 'll be more energy than when one is right ?PhD E: Yeah.Professor C: That 's {disfmarker} that sort of hypothesis .PhD E: That 's right .Professor C: And the first way you 'd look at that , uh s she 's , you know , absolutely right , is that you would just take a look at thedistribution of those two things , much as you 've plotted them here ,PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: You know , but just {disfmarker} but just {disfmarker} {pause} just uh do it {disfmarker}PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: Wellin this case you have three . You have the silence , and that {disfmarker} that 's fine .PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: So , uh with three colors or three shades or whatever , just {disfmarker} just look at those distributions.PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: And then , given that as a base , you can see if that gets improved , you know , or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker} {pause} or worsened {pause} by the {disfmarker} looking at regular energy, looking at log energy , we were just proposing that maybe it 's {disfmarker} you know , it 's harder to {pause} see with the log energy , um and uh also these different normalizations , does a particular choice ofnormalization make it better ?PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: But I had maybe made it too complicated by suggesting early on , that you look at scatter plots because that 's looking at a distribution in two dimensions . Let 'sstart off just in one , uh , with this feature .PhD E: Yeah . Yeah .Professor C: I think that 's probably the most basic thing , before anything very complicated .PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: Um And then we w I think we 'reagreed that pitch - related things are {disfmarker} are {disfmarker} are going to be a {disfmarker} a really likely candidate to help .PhD D: Yeah .PhD E: Yeah . I agree , yeah . Uh - huh .Professor C: Um {pause} But{pause} since {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh your intuition from looking at some of the data , is that when you looked at the regular energy , that it did in fact usually go up , {vocalsound} when two people weretalking , {vocalsound} that 's {disfmarker} eh you know , you should be able to come up with a measure which will {pause} match your intuition .PhD E: OK . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah , yeah , yeah .Professor C: And she 'sright , that a {disfmarker} that having a {disfmarker} having {disfmarker} {comment} having this table , with a whole bunch of things , {pause} with the standard deviation , the variance and so forth , it 's{disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's harder to interpret than just looking at the {disfmarker} the same kind of picture you have here .PhD E: But {disfmarker} Uh - huh . Yeah . But {disfmarker} It {disfmarker} it 'scurious but uh I f I found it in the {disfmarker} in the mixed file , in one channel {vocalsound} that eh in several {disfmarker} oh e eh several times eh you have an speaker talking alone with a high level ofenergyProfessor C: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .PhD E: eh in the middle eh a zone of overlapping with mmm less energyProfessor C: Mm - hmm .PhD E: and eh come with another speaker with high energyProfessor C: Mm- hmm .PhD E: and the overlapping zone has eh less energy .Professor C: Yeah . So there 'll be some cases for which {disfmarker}PhD E: Because there reach very manyProfessor C: But , the qu So {disfmarker} Sothey 'll be {disfmarker}PhD D: Right .Professor C: This is {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I w want to point {pause} to visual things , But I mean they {disfmarker} there 'll be time {disfmarker} There 'll be overlapbetween the distributions , but the question is , " If it 's a reasonable feature at all , there 's some separation . "PhD E: Yeah . Yeah .PhD D: Especially locally .Professor C: Mm - hmm .PhD D: So . Locally .PhD E: justlocally , yeah .Grad A: And {disfmarker} I was just going to say that {disfmarker} that {pause} right now we 're just exploring .PhD D: And the other thing is I Sorry . I {disfmarker}Grad A: What you would imagineeventually , is that you 'll feed all of these features into some {pause} discriminative system .PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: Yeah .Grad A: And so even if {disfmarker} if one of the features does a good job at one type ofoverlap , another feature might do a good job at another type of overlap .PhD E: Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .Professor C: Right . I mean the {disfmarker} the reason I had suggested the scatter f p features is I used to do this alot , when we had thirteen or fifteen or twenty features {pause} to look at .PhD E: Yeah , this is the {disfmarker}Professor C: um Because something is a good feature uh by itself , you don't really know how it 'llbehave in combination and so it 's nice to have as many {disfmarker} as many together at the same time as possible in uh in some reasonable visual form . There 's cool graphic things people have had sometimes toput together three or four in some funny {disfmarker} funny way . But it 's true that you shouldn't do any of that unless you know that the individual ones , at least , have {disfmarker} have some uh {disfmarker}some hopePhD E: Yeah .PhD D: Well , especially for normalizing .Professor C: Mm - hmm .PhD D: I mean , it 's really important to {pause} pick a normalization that matches the distribution for that feature .ProfessorC: Mm - hmm .PhD D: And it may not be the same for all the types of overlaps or the windows may not be the same . e Actually , I was wondering , {vocalsound} right now you 're taking a {disfmarker} all of the{pause} speech , from the whole meeting , and you 're trying to find points of overlap , but we don't really know which speaker is overlapping with which speaker ,Professor C: Right .PhD D: right ? So I mean anotherway would just be to take the speech from just , say , Morgan , And just Jane and then just their overlaps ,PhD E: Yeah .PhD D: like {disfmarker} but by hand , by cheating , and looking at you know , if you can detectsomething that way , because if we can't do it that way , there 's no good way that we 're going to be able to do it .Grad A: No prayer .PhD D: That {disfmarker} You know , there might be something helpful and cleanerabout looking at just {pause} individuals and then that combination alone .PhD E: Yeah .PhD D: Plus , I think it has more elegant {disfmarker} eProfessor C: Mm - hmm .PhD D: The m the right model will be {pause}easier to see that way . So if {disfmarker} I don't know , if you go through and you find Adam , cuz he has a lot of overlaps and some other speaker who also has e enough speechPhD E: Yeah .PhD D: and just sort oflook at those three cases of Adam and the other person and the overlaps ,PhD E: Yeah .PhD D: maybe {disfmarker} and just look at the distributions , maybe there is a clear patternPhD E: Yeah .PhD D: but we justcan't see it because there 's too many combinations of {disfmarker} of people that can overlap .PhD E: Uh - huh . Yeah .Postdoc B: I had the same intuition last {disfmarker} last {disfmarker} last week .PhD D: So .Just seems sort of complex .PhD E: Yeah .Postdoc B: I think it 's {disfmarker} to start with it 's s your {disfmarker} your idea of simplifying , starting with something that {pause} you can see {pause} eh you knowwithout the {pause} extra {pause} layers of {disfmarker}PhD D: Right . Cuz if energy doesn't matter there , like {disfmarker} I don't think this is true , but what ifPhD E: To study individual ?Postdoc B: Sorry , what?PhD D: Hmm ?PhD E: To study individual ?Postdoc B: Well , you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you don't have to study everybody individuallyPhD D: Well , to study the simplest case to get rid of extra{disfmarker}PhD E: The {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} But {disfmarker} Consider {disfmarker}Postdoc B: but {pause} just simple case and the one that has the lot of data associated with it .PhD D:Right . Cuz what if it 's the case and I don't think this is true {disfmarker}Grad A: That was a great overlap by the way .PhD D: What if it 's the case that when two people overlap they equate their {disfmarker} youknow , there 's a {pause} conservation of energy and everybody {disfmarker} both people talk more softly ? I don't think this happens at all .Postdoc B: Or {disfmarker} or what if what if the equipment {disfmarker}what if the equipment adjusts somehow ,PhD D: Or they get louder .Postdoc B: there 's some equalizing in there ?PhD D: Yeah or {disfmarker}Professor C: Uh , no we don't have that .PhD D: I mean .Grad A: Well , but{disfmarker} But I think that 's what I was saying about different types of overlap .Postdoc B: OK .Professor C: But .Postdoc B: Saturation .PhD D: There are {disfmarker} there are different types , and within thosetypes , like as Jose was saying , that {pause} sounded like a backchannel overlap , meaning the kind that 's {pause} a friendly encouragement , like " Mm - hmm . " , " Great ! " , " Yeah ! "PhD E: Yeah .PhD D: And itdoesn't take {disfmarker} you don't take the floor . Um , but , some of those , as you showed , I think can be discriminated by the duration of the overlap .PhD E: Yeah .PhD D: So . It {disfmarker} Actually the s newstudent , Don , who um Adam has met , and he was at one of our meetings {disfmarker} He 's {pause} getting his feet wet and then he 'll be starting again {pause} in mid - January . He 's interested in trying todistinguish the types of overlap . I don't know if he 's talked with you yet . But in sort of honing in on these different typesPhD E: Yeah . I don't consi Now I don't consider that possibility .PhD D: and {disfmarker} So


Marketing: It's Play-Doh .Project Manager: Play-Doh's edible . Did you know that ? It's definitely {disfmarker}Marketing: Because kids {disfmarker} yeah .Industrial Designer: I used to eat it .User Interface: I've , I'vedefinitely eaten it before . I didn't know was edible . {vocalsound} {gap} .Project Manager: Yeah . It's it's chew proof . {vocalsound}Marketing: But um , it's it's made edible 'cause , yeah . It's made edible 'cause kidseat it ,Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: and if it's wasn't edible then {disfmarker} Well , normal babies . {vocalsound}User Interface: Actually that makes sense , because I remember like , peopl I dunno if my Momever did it but I remember other people's Moms making like home-made Play-Doh where you just like make the {gap} colouring and make some sort of sort of dough .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Oh yeah it is ,yeah . Oh yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Right .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Everybody everybody ready ?Industrial Designer: Yep .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay , let's have yourum {disfmarker} let's get {gap} have the uh presentation ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: We've got some {gap} .Industrial Designer: We've got a cool prototype .User Interface: Yeah , it's prettyexciting . So , everything uh that we wanted we wanted it to be ergonomic and to be made out of rubber , very simple and easy to use ,Industrial Designer: Double curved .Project Manager: Nice .User Interface: yeah ,double curved ,Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: um but also something that was gonna jump out at people , something that would be different uh , separate it from the other remotes out on the market . So uh Ithink if you put this in the palm of your hand , you'll see what a nice thing we have going here .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: That is cool .User Interface: So , basically , if you hold it like that , the one onyour thumb , yeah , {vocalsound} the thumb button is the power button .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .User Interface: Your index finger is channel up , middle finger is channel down , ring finger is volume up, your pinkie is volume down .Marketing: What's the big blue thing ?User Interface: That's the lock button , has a L_ L_ on itMarketing: Oh cool .User Interface: and then the M_ is a mute button . And then it also hasdigitProject Manager: {gap} what button ? Um . Oh mute .User Interface: For muting the uh {disfmarker}Marketing: And mute .User Interface: Um and then then you can also {disfmarker} there's a numeric keypad onthe top so you can key directly to the to the channel if you want .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: So it's really basic functionalities as far as what keys are available , but we think it'svery comfortable and very innovative and it looks different .Project Manager: That certainly does .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: So all the , I mean the important keys are right at your f f you know right at uhat a convenient place for you to to access them .Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: Which is ant anti-R_S_I_ .User Interface: So you don't you {disfmarker} Yeah . It should be .Project Manager: Mm .UserInterface: And it's also conformable to the size of your hand . I mean if that's too big , it's a rubber remote , so you can , you knowProject Manager: Yeah . 'S great .User Interface: change that . So d does that uh what{disfmarker} mesh with what you guys were hoping and for and expecting or does it {disfmarker}Marketing: Oh it's so cute .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I have one thing about it , but it's asmall thing , but it'd mean we'd have to make a right-handed one and a left-handed one .Industrial Designer: Oh right , yeah .User Interface: Ah , that's good thinking , yeah .Project Manager: But , that's I don't seewhy that's not possible .User Interface: Yeah , if we build rocket ships why can't we build left-handed and right-handed uh remotes .Project Manager: Yeah . {gap} They make left-handed scissors , you know .{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah , I didn't I didn't think about that , but I'd {disfmarker} yeah , {gap} .Marketing: Yeah , but then but then you can learn to use your right h like I was just thinking ifthere's left-handers and right-handers in the family , what , they have two remotes ?Project Manager: Yes sIndustrial Designer: Yeah , I know I know people who have left-handed and right-handed people in the familyand they all use the computer {vocalsound} for the whole {disfmarker} the same computer the fes family and they have a mouse , and everybody is using right-handed mouse .Project Manager: Mm . Sure . Sure.Marketing: Yeah , I'm sure they'll be able to {disfmarker}User Interface: Uh-huh .Marketing: I mean it's only pressing buttons , you don't have to do anything , you know , extraordinary . I think everybody can press abutton with their left and right hand so {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Imagine d are you right handed ?Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Imagine you're doing it with your left hand , Idon't think it's too {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah , it's not {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: But we can have both uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah . Have them in stock .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah.Marketing: Make 'em more appealing as well .Project Manager: But um other than that , I mean uh and that's um , you know , that's just something , I think I think it's great , yeah , great idea .User Interface: Do youthink it says {vocalsound} R_R_ ?Industrial Designer: {gap} I think it does . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I think it's , well , if the R_R_ motto is , we bring fashion to to electronics , I'dsay that could be quite fashionable .User Interface: Fashion to electronics . Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah . And it's got the b the black and yellow and blue .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah.User Interface: Plus red , which is sort of a a fruit and vegetable uh uh .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: {gap} . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} There you go .UserInterface: So that's that's {vocalsound} our end of things wha uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah , very good , yeah .User Interface: That's {disfmarker}Project Manager: It's come up with what we've you know ,the things that's what we've {disfmarker} what we were looking at doing , hasn't it , {gap} all seems to be there .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Well done .Marketing: And all the playing around is uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: Um before we move on {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah , I'm just {disfmarker} do you wanna plug in ?Project Manager: I need that cable .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Thank you .Yeah . Um . One thing I do need to do {disfmarker} we need to look at , is the costs .User Interface: The costs , was that what you said ?Industrial Designer: Play-Doh is very cheap . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well, yeah . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: {gap} um {disfmarker}Marketing: Play-Doh won't last very long everybody'll go like , oops , it's gone . {vocalsound}{vocalsound}User Interface: But it's edible .Marketing: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Chew proof .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Well , they'll buy more of them if you eat them , {gap} .UserInterface: That was the main criteria from the last meeting , it had to be chew proof .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah . Uh right . {vocalsound} Okay , now I think we'll do this {disfmarker} Icould do {disfmarker} you know , I can do this o on my own or I could do it with you ,Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Oh ho-ho .Project Manager: but it's just easy enough to go through it with you , so we'regoing for the kinetic power .Industrial Designer: Yep .Project Manager: {vocalsound} And the electronics , we decided on it being just a simple , the easiest thing that's inside it . Ooh .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: So {disfmarker} the case , we've gone for the double curved . Um and it's made out of rubber . {vocalsound} The interface is push-buttons . And button supplements well they're in diffspecial colours , aren't they ?Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: So {gap} special colours .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: It's better for {disfmarker}Project Manager: Special form , yeah , they're a special form therein shapes and stuff .User Interface: Yeah , I mean , {vocalsound} these these ones on the side are curved kind of , so {disfmarker}Marketing: And special material .Project Manager: Yep . Yeah . Um . Are they madeout of any special material ?Industrial Designer: Rubber .Project Manager: No they're not . They're not made out of wood or titanium or rubber or anything , they're just simple {disfmarker}User Interface: The buttonsare rubber .Marketing: Well they're rubber , aren't they ?Project Manager: Okay . Right .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: So let's see if that comes within budget . And it does . That is gonna cost uh{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {gap} .Marketing: We're under budget .Project Manager: Yeah . That's gonna cost ten ten Euro seventy cents a unit to make . And our target was it had to come in at under twelve fifty.User Interface: That's cool . Yeah . Yeah .Project Manager: So ,User Interface: And we're actua actually making a better profit than we expected .Project Manager: this is all very very good . The bosses will be verypleased .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay , let's just save this so I can e-mail it to you . Uh .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Save it in {gap} save it in the uh {vocalsound}my documents .Marketing: It's already saved , I think .Project Manager: Splendid . Okay . So uh , that's {gap} done with this with this um doodah , so you're {gap} . Gonna do {disfmarker} what you were gonna do,Marketing: Thank you . Mm .Project Manager: your evaluation .Marketing: Oh , yeah . This is where we all get to {vocalsound} I get to write on the , oops , on the board . Right .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: Oh . 'S function {disfmarker}Project Manager: F_ eight .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: {gap} I love the smell of that Play-Doh .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah ,Project Manager:{vocalsound} I cou {gap} . {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm .User Interface: have some have some .Marketing: Okay . So , {vocalsound} evaluation . We're gonna do it all together so we evaluate each criteria . I've gotthe criterias . And we have to do it on a scale of one to seven , one being true , so it's it's more like it's {disfmarker} fits the criteria , and seven being as in it doesn't fit the criteria . And the criterias are , and I'll drawthis up on the board {disfmarker} {vocalsound} so we have a box {disfmarker} {gap} . And this is false , this is just like to keep you informed . So seven's here and one's here and then you've got in the middle .{vocalsound} So the first criteria . Do you all get what we're doing ?Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Okay , cool . Okay , first criteria , look and feel . So the does remote look andfeel fashionable to what we talked about ? As it {disfmarker} is it colour-wise and is it spongy ?User Interface: Mm .Marketing: So what mark should we give for that ?Project Manager: I would give it a seven .UserInterface: Yeah .Marketing: As in it's not .Project Manager: Oh sorry , one , d yeah .User Interface: Oh , sorry , one . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: A one .Marketing: A one a one . So I'll just write criteria criteriaone we get one . Second criteria , new technology . Have we implemented new technology ? As in the new high-tech {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Well , the kinetic thing , yeah .Project Manager: Yeah.User Interface: Yeah . That was our main technological innovation w every everything else was fairly simple , but the fact that we used the kinetic energy was new .Project Manager: {gap} .Marketing: So it's {gap} .So we'll give it a {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Well so the um {disfmarker}User Interface: It's ergonomic ,Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: but that's not {disfmarker} that's that's a design that's a desthat's a design thing , yeah .Project Manager: Yeah , but that's not a technological thing , that's another thing , i that's another marketing thing .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . True .Project Manager: So onthe technical side of it it {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah . I'd say it's about a a twoish ?Industrial Designer: Two .User Interface: It's about in the mid in the middle somewhere ,Marketing: Two .User Interface: maybe ,yeah , I dunno .Marketing: Three .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Maybe three , yeah .Marketing: {gap} three . So criteria three is is it easy to use ?Project Manager: Easy to use .Marketing: I think it's a one, I think .Project Manager: I'd say it's I wouldn't {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: not if you're left-handed it's not . I would give it a I would give it a two ,User Interface: Mm .Marketing: Two ,ProjectManager: 'cause i i it i it i it is more geared for right-handed people than left-handed people , but {disfmarker}Marketing: so it's {disfmarker}User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: But if we make aright-handed and a left-handed then ?User Interface: If we're gonna have one left-handed and one right-handed then I would give it a one , but otherwise otherwise a two .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah.Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Give it a t give it a two .Marketing: Yeah , okay . {vocalsound} 'Kay , criteria four is costs . {gap}Project Manager: Cost . It's come in under budget .Marketing:{vocalsound} 's great .Project Manager: So that's a definite one .User Interface: Yeah . That was great .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Amount of buttons .Marketing: Like the amount of buttons ,Project Manager:Contains only the necessary buttons .Marketing: 'cause people like a lot le like {disfmarker} So it's a one ?Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Um criteria six . R_S_I_ isit good against ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yes s yeah .Marketing: Yes . Very good .Project Manager: So it's anti-R_S_I_ .Marketing: It's one . And criteria seven , which is the last one , does it get lost?Industrial Designer: It's yellow .Marketing: Is it easy to get lost ?Project Manager: I don't think it's gonna get lost easily .User Interface: {vocalsound} It is very bright , yeah .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: No ? But it is smallish .Industrial Designer: Two .User Interface: It's not the kinda thing that's gonna slip like between a couch cushion or something , you know . Maybe it will . Uh .IndustrialDesigner: TMarketing: Mm . I think i it would , could be , could get lost .User Interface: You think it could lost {disfmarker}Project Manager: {gap} two .Marketing: Mm . Yeah .User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: Imean it {disfmarker}Marketing: I mean it's not fully it's not fully {disfmarker} like you can't say {disfmarker}Project Manager: No , I meanMarketing: I mean , it's not a one , definitely .Project Manager: I mean , youcould still flush it down the toilet theoretically , but {disfmarker}User Interface: Okay . Yeah , anything , I mean . Okay . It's bigger than the average mobile , I guess .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: But , yeah , it canget lost .Marketing: The mobiles get lost all the time .User Interface: Yeah . Okay , yeah , two is fine .Marketing: But then you ring 'em and you find them . {vocalsound} So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Mm . Mm.User Interface: Yeah , yeah .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Yeah . So , that's that . So that's the evaluation , so I'd say {disfmarker} Yay .Project Manager: Alright it's all all systems go .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} We've , we've done well .Marketing: It's like {vocalsound} {gap} like a number one . Um .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Number one product .User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Wecan't fail .Marketing: All done , thanks . We fitted all the criterias . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: {gap} .Marketing: Yeah , so {disfmarker}Project Manager: Well done ,Reissa .Marketing: So that's that one .Project Manager: Okay , I I think um I just wanna put in as Project Manager the you know , little bit of praise for everybody here for how they've worked on it ,User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: you know , both individually and as a team . You know you've w everyone's come up with their own individual ideas in their own different departments , um and then come together andworked in , you know , integrally , you know , at the right times , psp , you know , especially you two .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: That's all , you know , gone very very wellUser Interface: Yeah .ProjectManager: and and and be you know , has been good communication going on . {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah , during our design I mean there was some s some heated heated discussion ,Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: but we we kept {disfmarker} we tried to keep it cool and andProject Manager: {vocalsound} Did you have to go down to the the corporate squash court and bash a few balls about ?{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: just just {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Well .User Interface: {vocalsound} We just had to we just had to squeeze our product a little bit and{disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: You know {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Fantastic.Industrial Designer: It is {gap} .User Interface: Now you guys have been a a great team . Think we're the we're the envy of all the of all the other R_R_ teams , {gap} .Marketing: {gap} been cool .Project Manager: Ithink {disfmarker} SoMarketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I I , you know , and I think we've co we have come we've come up with something new , something that hasn't been done before , we haven't{disfmarker} we're not just rehashing an old design .Marketing: In four diff in in four meetings .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Funny , all designer meetings could be this quick .Project Manager: You know , maybethis isn't a simulation , maybe this is actually {disfmarker} so it's like Sony or someone like that they're they're just , yeah , {gap} they get {gap} {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah I thinkthey're actually trying to find ideas for a ideal remote . {vocalsound}Marketing: They're using our ideas .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah , {gap} two years' time this will be on the market.User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Ex exactly that productMarketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: um thum {disfmarker} we'll go , yeah , we designed that and no-one willbelieve us .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} But um {disfmarker}User Interface: So at this stage , I mean , is this the last meeting of the project ? We don't uh haveanother one after it's gone gone to marke market or something ?Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: No ,Marketing: {gap}Project Manager: I think when this meeting's finished like officially , there b we'll get a uhquestionnaire to fill in .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Y Oh really ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Or six , uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Just start summarising now .{vocalsound} You can reply to the same message .Project Manager: I haven't got message .Marketing: See summary , there . If you just reply to that one .User Interface: So there's no way to like predict what our{disfmarker} 'Cause we had a {disfmarker} we originally had a {vocalsound} {disfmarker} As far as our financial uh um goals , we had a specific number for profits that we wanted . It was fifty mil fifty million{disfmarker}Marketing: Was it was it fifty or five ?User Interface: I don't remember . But there's not a way to compute that , I mean , since we saved on the on the production cost , do we know how much we'remaking on profit ?Project Manager: It gets handed over to another department .Marketing: Depends how much we sell .User Interface: Uh .Project Manager: What our what our project was was to come up with theproduct , basically .User Interface: Hmm .Project Manager: {gap} the for the {disfmarker} and just basically is it it come {disfmarker} can {disfmarker} is it within budget . When it c when it comes to all the otherthings of how to sell it and , you know , the b the profits and all that that's other departments {disfmarker} it's another team that actually work out the mai the {disfmarker}User Interface: But we have a vested


Industrial Designer: {gap} .User Interface: Hello {vocalsound} . 'Kay .Project Manager: You all saw the newsflash ?Industrial Designer: It's {disfmarker}Project Manager: Or you got the same message ?Marketing:Yeah I I just saw it one minute ago .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah sorry .Industrial Designer: I don't know .Marketing: When I uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: I didn't see it yet I think .User Interface:Newsflash ? D did I miss something ?Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah I received an email so I thought I I can't mail you so I thought I'd just drop it in the folder , but{disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah pretty much .Industrial Designer: Hey what's wrong with my computer ?User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: Is it unlocked ?User Interface: No .Industrial Designer: {gap} .Marketing:Mm . Yeah that's my presentation . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Woah . I uh kind of opened it {gap} .User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer: Huh ?Marketing: Mm ?Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: What the {disfmarker}Marketing: Oh right .User Interface: I think you have to uh change your desktop uhProject Manager: Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: size .Marketing: Ooh .{vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay . Everybody ready ?Industrial Designer: Not really .Marketing: Well {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Sorry .Project Manager: No no no . Yes yes yes .User Interface: {gap} computeris uh not functioning ?Marketing: Alright .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .Industrial Designer: Okay . Where do I find this ? I'm not so g display huh ?User Interface: Uh display .Marketing: {vocalsound}UserInterface: And then uh settings ?Industrial Designer: Appearance ?Marketing: Huh .User Interface: Mm I'm not sure I {gap} .Marketing: {vocalsound} You read the newsflash ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay . Canwe get startedUser Interface: No .Industrial Designer: No what was it about ?Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: or is there some pressing issue ?Industrial Designer: Yeah my computer is not functioning properly.Project Manager: Oh no pressing .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Did you plug in the power cable when you come back ?Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah . No butmy screen is reduced in size . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah . That's difficult . Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: What ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Feedback .Marketing: Hmm .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing: {gap} alt delete . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound} Format . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Format save .Marketing: {gap} . So it doesn't draw the attention away .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: This is dreadful .UserInterface: I made uh uh my own map .Project Manager: Oh yeah sure .Industrial Designer: No not this , but the task .User Interface: It's a {disfmarker}Project Manager: You have Playstation also ?User Interface: Yeah.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound} No that's okay . No I just flapped it , closed it , took it here and then this happened . Ah . Uh {disfmarker} where was it ? In settings ? Okay . Alright . Thank you.Project Manager: Huh .Industrial Designer: Do you guys like your tasks ?User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I spent a lot of time thinking about what I was gonna do and then acouple of minutes before this I get my function you know the information that I need .User Interface: Yeah wa wa you actually {disfmarker} Yeah . But it it's not clear what you have to to to type uh type in yourpresentation .Industrial Designer: So frustrating .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: So {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah . I I had a whole idea and then just was typing it and then oh . I have to do that so switch.Industrial Designer: Yeah {disfmarker} Yeah exactly . This presentation is mainly based on my own ideas 'cause I hadn't time to intergrate tha the information yet so {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Mm.Industrial Designer: Really annoying .Project Manager: Okay . So there we are again .Marketing: By your humble P_M_ .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay this is the agenda . Umwe have three presentations , I heard .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Really . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah really . {vocalsound} So who wants to start ?Marketing: Yeah that's fine {gap} .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .Marketing: We have to start it right away ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah . Uh this is you ?Marketing: Functional ? Yeah functional requirements .Project Manager: 'Kay .Marketing: Alright . I'mgonna talk about functional requirements . Um {disfmarker} Well uh some research has be done uh has been done . Uh observing of one hundred uh subjects in the usability lab using a remote control . Uh and theyalso filled in a questionnaire . The findings were um , well you can see them for yourself . They disliked the look-and-feel of current remotes controls . {vocalsound} Users think they're ugly . Um {vocalsound} they donot match the the operating behaviour of the users . So they they d they don't match what they want to have on it . Um {vocalsound} they are often lost somewhere in the room . Um it takes too much time to learnhow to use a new remote control . And they're bad for R_S_I_ . {vocalsound} I don't know uh how a user can reach that but okay . Um {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: TsMarketing: there is also uh was also someresearch on uh the most relevant and and and irrelevant uh f functions . Uh most irrelevant and less used were audio settings , mono , stereo , uh pitch , bass . Um screen settings for brightness and colour and stuff likethat . Um but they are used . I mean the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: So they do need to be in the {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah they do need to be on the on the remote control .IndustrialDesigner: Alright .Marketing: I mean if you can't control the the sound settings {disfmarker} I mean if you dislike a very uh loud bass or something , you you need to change that .Project Manager: {vocalsound} {gap}often .Marketing: So um yeah we have to .Industrial Designer: By the way my T_V_ doesn't have an equ equaliser butMarketing: We c we c Yeah I mean w we can't {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Nextgeneration does . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {disfmarker} okay .Marketing: my my T_V_ has ,Industrial Designer: No . {vocalsound} Alright .Marketing: but we we can leave them uh away . Uh most relevant ,uh most used functions , uh they speak for themselves I guess . Uh power button , uh channel , volume selection . Uh teletext but we can skip that because I saw the newsflash , and teletext is so outdated that it it's ishould not be used uh any more in the future .Project Manager: N not used anymore .Marketing: So forget this one .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: Uh channel settings , so for programming uh your channels in in theright order .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: By the way where did you guys get that newsflash from ?User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound} I was wondering uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: I didn't getanything .Marketing: Yeah , {vocalsound} on on the project uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah . Not by mail . I receiv the mail but you don't . So {disfmarker}User Interface: But you you've got more informationthan {disfmarker} uh .Marketing: No so it's a text file n in the project folder . So teletext can be skipped .Project Manager: That's in the presentation , so {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: Um therewas some research on new features in a remote control . Uh about an L_C_D_ screen uh and speech recognition . Well we got an update for the for the audience . Or the the the targeted group . So it's above forty Iguess .Project Manager: Uh below I believe .Marketing: The new product ? Or below {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah below forty .Marketing: because that's pretty relevant .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Ithought I read a {disfmarker}Project Manager: Our current customers are in the age group forty plus .Marketing: Yeah ?Project Manager: And the new product should reach new markets , which is the customers belowforty .Marketing: Below ? Okay well {vocalsound}User Interface: But where did you get uh that information ?Project Manager: That's in a newsflash .Marketing: that's that's in the newsflaProject Manager:{vocalsound}User Interface: Okay . {vocalsound}Marketing: okay that's a good to know . Um because you see see a clear distinction between the age groups , concerning the features .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing:I mean uh above forty people are not so interested uh not so interested in a screen or speech recognition . Uh but below that age they uh they pretty much are . So I think we can build that in . Um {disfmarker} Yeahwell we can skip this part as well , because I thought I read above forty so we could skip the features , but we just have to build them in because uh they find it very interesting . Um well we have to keep all the classicfunctions but make the buttons as user-friendly as possible . Um and and also there's {disfmarker} so not only the design of the bus uh buttons but o how you can push them , and stuff like that . So the physical uhaspect of it . Um {disfmarker} And I think {disfmarker} and certainly for for the for the lower age groups , uh nice design , which uh does not make the remote control {gap} in your room .User Interface: Yeah.Marketing: It's it's actually a part of your interior , of of your design in your room . So it's {vocalsound} the people can say , well what's that , well that's my remote control , so it's d it has to look nice and feel nice ,and and have all the functions that uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah . But it also needs to have corporate identity .Marketing: Yeah so the the logo has to beProject Manager: Present and the colours .Marketing:uh present yeah , and the colours as well .Project Manager: {vocalsound} So we can't change much of that .Industrial Designer: Do we have {disfmarker} uh yeah {gap} .Marketing: Yeah so but I I don't think that'sthat's a problem because the thing has to have a colour anyway , and most of the times there is a brand present on it .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Yeah . Yeah .Marketing: So I think that's not gonna gonnaaffect it very uh very much .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Well that are the the consequences uh on a marketing uh part .Project Manager: {vocalsound} 'Kay .Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: Yes .UserInterface: Okay .Project Manager: It's open already so you can use {gap} toMarketing: {gap} .Project Manager: find yours .User Interface: Mm . It's {disfmarker}Project Manager: F_ five .User Interface: F_ five . Okay.Project Manager: {vocalsound} Go Jurgen .User Interface: Oh . What is this ?Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Oh no . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: How do I uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} You pressed alt F_ four ? {vocalsound}User Interface: No no no . I pressed the mouse button .Project Manager: Oh great . {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: It's {disfmarker} th that's the self-destruct button .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: Yeah . Okay .Project Manager: Uh maybe you can do it from your computer sotalk us through it .User Interface: Okay . Um if you all go stand around uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah . Just {disfmarker} yeah .Project Manager: Yeah . {vocalsound}User Interface: Computer {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: Alright .Marketing: Sure .User Interface: Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager: That's nice . {vocalsound}User Interface: No .Project Manager: F_ five . Yeah .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Okay.Marketing: Alright .User Interface: I uh had uh two examples .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Um this one is the the yeah the advanced one with a lot of options and functions and buttons .ProjectManager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: This the easy oneMarketing: Yeah .User Interface: I think we have to to combine them . And uh yeah merge the best functions of all examples .Project Manager: Mm-hmm.Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Um but yeah the the age is uh under forty ?Project Manager: The mm yeah .Marketing: Yeah and and and marketing researchstated that that that kind of users are not afraid of of a lot of functions .User Interface: So we {disfmarker} Okay so so we have the option for more functions .Marketing: So not not too much but {disfmarker} yeah.User Interface: Um {disfmarker} yeah .Industrial Designer: And we do have to integrate the screen and the the speech {disfmarker}Marketing: And the speech recognition yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah.User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: alright .User Interface: Uh yeah this this one we can remove for kids . It's just only for adults so uh we can uh use some advanced options . But {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeahfrom age of sixteen so yeah .User Interface: Yeah but I prefer we we uh use the the basic options uh yeah . We have to to make them very easy so for just uh zapping around the channels you can just push one button.Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: But if you want to to use your your video recorder or something else , you should use use an uh an advanced option.Marketing: Yeah but uh the the newsflash also stated that it should control only one device , only your television .User Interface: Okay one device .Project Manager: Yeah . So n it's very easy .User Interface: Okay . Ididn't see {gap} .Marketing: So wProject Manager: Now yeah it's okay .User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay and I also uh yeah . W yeah .Marketing: So there are not extra options in this case , but uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: We have to make it fashionable . Like you uh said uh before .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Uh yeah the basic functions . Um yeah onlyuse a extra function if they are really needed .Project Manager: Yeah so maybe you can hide them or something .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah well what what we can do with the screen is isall the the configuration options , you can put that in the screen .Project Manager: Yeah you make a screen menu or something .Marketing: And the and the {disfmarker} yeah screen menu to to to uh to do that,Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: and then the basic function just on the device itself .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: So it looks very simple and all the advanced features are hiddenin the screen , uh with a clear menu .Project Manager: Yeah and the other oth other uh functionality is the screen .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: What does the screen do ?User Interface: {vocalsound} Did Iuh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: Uh . {vocalsound} What are {disfmarker} whProject Manager: Yeah . It's low power .User Interface: did I break it ? {vocalsound}Marketing: What {gap} .ProjectManager: So what does the screen do ? They said they needed it but what does it do ? What do they want with the screen ?User Interface: For for the advanced functions I think .Project Manager: Yeah that's what wemake it up .Marketing: Yeah well it {gap} yeah it didn'tProject Manager: So but what did the marketing {disfmarker}Marketing: it didn't say what they want to do with the screen .Project Manager: No .Marketing: Well I, my guess is it's it's pretty handy for advanced uh advanced functions .Project Manager: Yeah okay it's handy . With no predefined uh {disfmarker}User Interface: Like searching for channels and {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: Ah look .Marketing: Yeah searching for channels , programming them .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: We have your uh {disfmarker} oh never mind . {vocalsound}Project Manager: We're backonline . {vocalsound}User Interface: Okay . That's uh {disfmarker} I'm al I'm almost finished so {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Um the {disfmarker} we have to to towatch out for the {disfmarker} i if we make it f very fashionable , it it the functional functionality will go down . So we have to make uh a compromise between functionality and fashional fashionableProject Manager:Mm-hmm . Content and form .User Interface: yeah content and form .Industrial Designer: {gap} .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound} Now that that was uh was the end .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} That was the end . Okay .User Interface: Yes .Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Well my presentation is a bit uh sucky . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Well you can improvise right ?Project Manager: Uh which one is it ? Technical functions ?Industrial Designer: Yeah a little bit .Project Manager: This one ?Industrial Designer: Uh no . No no . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Functional requirements ?Industrial Designer: Yeah I think that would be it then . {gap}Project Manager: No .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: You didn't put it in ? Or {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: I have no idea .Marketing: So we we can go for {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: That w {gap} .Project Manager: {gap} it's not really English . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Let me check . I know.Project Manager: Uh kick off . Oh working design I got it .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: So we can go for the look-and-feel of the the left example , and then a screen on top of it .Project Manager: Here you go.Industrial Designer: Alright how do I uh skip pages ?Project Manager: Just uh press uh {disfmarker} yeah . Yeah .Industrial Designer: The keys yeah ?Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Alright . Um yeah well I wasworking on this before I got my information . So I was just working off the top of my head and using my colin common knowledge about uh remote controls .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And well the info on the website which came too late .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Um so I didn't really know what kind of functions we had to put into it yet.Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: So uh uh this is basically an overview of what we discussed in our last uh meeting . Those were my uh starting points .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer:Uh I was working on a s yeah on a schedule , and I was supposed to do it like this . But um yeah then uh the information came and it was kind of exact with all the steps in the remote control that I had to follow , so Iwas trying to organise them for myself .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: And then make theProject Manager: Design yeah .Industrial Designer: thedesign , a the actual design ,Marketing: Design ? Yeah .Industrial Designer: but I never came around to do that . So I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to say about it .Marketing: Okay .Industrial Designer: I meaneverything speaks for itself I guess . Mean you press a button um {vocalsound} the it tru goes , it sends a signal to a chip ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: which uh translates it into infrared signal ofcertin spatial frequencies .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Yeah frequency . Yeah .Industrial Designer: And uh or temporal fr frequencies actually . And then uh through a uh transformer , it the signal getsboosted and then sent to the to the receiver on the T_V_Project Manager: Yeah decoder .Industrial Designer: and the T_V_ will translate it into a function . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah well this was actually{vocalsound} all I got around to do .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Blank . Yeah okay .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer: I mean I dunno if I'm too slow for thisstuff , but uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Work harder .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Okay shou should we make a list of the of all the functions we want uh {disfmarker}Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah . Whatever .Project Manager: Yeah . Uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah we want to incorporate in uh into it .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: 'Kay . Um for those that didn'tsee yet um the basic new requirements of the management were no teletext , only for T_V_ . Uh it should be designed for a use g uh group below forty , but I don't think it's w wrong if we can uh target the current