Project Manager: Can I close this ?User Interface: Uh we don't have any changes , do we ?Project Manager: Oh , okay .User Interface: So no . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} There we go . Okay , here weare again . Detailed design {disfmarker} oh , come on . Well {disfmarker} Ah {gap} s Forgot to insert the minutes , but it's about the same thing we discussed before . Uh {disfmarker} Could open that anyway , think .Other design {disfmarker} anyway , we took as {disfmarker} we took w we took rubber as as the material last time . We also {gap} that you're just busy with it . Took the advanced chip to t uh implement theadvanced features . Well , we discussed the design , no sharp corners , we rounded it off , like you see on the {gap} other screen , which is fine . Um {gap} we agreed that the colour should be b uh yellow and black .Yellow in the back because it's m trendy , more trendy than black anyway . So {vocalsound} then we ca yeah . We agreed that we would implement both the L_C_D_ and speech recognition , but I'll get to that in amoment . 'Cause some changes in the finances have left us implications anyway . So so , like I said , we had no insight in finances , no prices ,Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: but we have 'em now , and it's bad .Anyway . We are Oh . Prototype presentation , well first you guys built the prototype . So {vocalsound} you could {gap} {disfmarker} could present that . But um let's see what be handy to do . Nee {disfmarker} no ,you just go ahead and present the {disfmarker} w we'll scrap it later because {disfmarker} {gap} What ?Industrial Designer: I think it's more or less the same as we had .User Interface: It's basically what we agreedupon ,Marketing: Hmm ?Project Manager: Oh that'sUser Interface: but just a little bit more specified .Industrial Designer: No much sProject Manager: hasn't changed that much , huh ?Industrial Designer: No no no ,not at all .Project Manager: I didn't expect anyway {gap} . You just coloured it . {vocalsound}User Interface: Uh s Final design . {vocalsound} Basically in {gap} {disfmarker} what we discussed , cover and buttons willbe made of rubber , yellow colour , black components , as you can see right over here .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . I like the menu .User Interface: We chose a different type of colour for the menu . A bit darker yellowso that it com really shows in this keypad .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: If you put them all black , it's not really that good a contrast .Project Manager: And I suppose the the the yellow is not printed onthe on the rubber . It's it's part of the rubber , I suppose .User Interface: So {disfmarker} ProbabProject Manager: I think that's more I think that's more durable anyway than printed on to {disfmarker}User Interface:Yeah . That's the beIndustrial Designer: Hmm .User Interface: And it {disfmarker} I guess it's more easier to just paint it on the rubberIndustrial Designer: Yeah , of course .User Interface: than to uh{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: That's uh the integration story again .Marketing: Mm yeah . Okay .User Interface: So we have it's a bit round shaped ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh yeah .User Interface: that'swhat we had uh {disfmarker} We chose the buttons to be uh teletext , okay button , favourite channel and the mute .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: So that's basically what we chose there .ProjectManager: Okay .User Interface: If you have anything to add , please interrupt me .Industrial Designer: No , uh this is just a description of what we see there .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: So{disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh .Industrial Designer: Speaks for itself .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: That's pretty much it .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . Now it's my time to ruin everything .Well , not ruin everything , but {disfmarker} no , nah .User Interface: Oh sorry . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Finances , that's what we have here , what you drew . We have battery power , we have advanced chipsand the sam the sensor . The sample sensor and uh {disfmarker} for speak recognition anyway . So which {disfmarker} you see the {disfmarker} which is de o one of the most expensive parts . So {disfmarker} well ,we have sin one curve , {vocalsound} a design . Rubber design . And we had a special colour . Suppose yellow is a special colour . So just half a Euro for {gap} {disfmarker} You have pushbuttons and an L_C_D_display . You have the total of seventeen Euros in production cost ,Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: which is higher than the twelve and a half that we are permitted to use . So ,Marketing: Hmm .ProjectManager: easy . What do we scrap . Well think I had the best solution that I came up with is just to s take out the speech recognition .Industrial Designer: I dUser Interface: I'd say that too .Industrial Designer: Yeah.Project Manager: Because the L_C_D_ has more support on customer side .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: There are ninety one percent of uh the people , or something like that . But ninety percent whofavour an L_C_D_ display , and only sixty percent that favour speech recognition . I think it's also harder to {disfmarker}User Interface: Uh we don't really have a extra function with the speech sample ,Marketing: Yeah.User Interface: which you can't do with a normal remote control ,Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: {gap} . So I juUser Interface: which people already do . So {disfmarker}Project Manager: I took that out .So {disfmarker} and so it's still stuck with thirteen , so I had to take out the special colour I suppose . And , yeah , I didn't see anything else I could take out . Yeah , I could take out the push-buttons ,Marketing:PushbutProject Manager: but we need those . So , generally what I came up with , in order to be cou to to have production cost of twelve and a half Euros , spe scrap speech recognitionIndustrial Designer: Huh .{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: Special colour , yeah .Project Manager: and the separate covers can account for the {disfmarker} if people want it , we'll just {disfmarker} then we'll do it in black . We'll justdeliver it in black , have the {disfmarker} it has all the function that it's supposed to have , and if you want it {disfmarker} if you want the custom design , then you can buy the separate covers .User Interface: Well,Project Manager: You make it d orange or whatever you want .User Interface: I'd {disfmarker} I tend to disagree with you on that , because the trend issue was a big issue when we started designing this .ProjectManager: It was a big issue , but {disfmarker}User Interface: So can't we just basically extend it to thirteen ?Project Manager: I'll just go back . Uh let's just {disfmarker} let's see what {disfmarker} okay , let's justsee what we {disfmarker} no , we we have to be under twelve and a half .Marketing: Yeah , it {disfmarker}Project Manager: It {disfmarker} it's not {disfmarker}Marketing: The pProject Manager: uh the project is ano-go if we go over twelve and a half ,Industrial Designer: Okay , but there's another problem .Marketing: And the pProject Manager: so .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: But there's another problem.Marketing: What {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: If we take another cover , for instance black , then we also need another button frame , 'cause black and black doesn't work obviously .Project Manager: I think you{disfmarker} that's what you were ass assigned to do really , to to see how b th both those work together .Industrial Designer: Huh . Huh . Yeah .Project Manager: So I think {disfmarker} yeah , it's {disfmarker} Ithink it's y one of the {disfmarker} it's a good way to um to help people uh to make {disfmarker} to keep the product trendy too .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: Just keep {disfmarker} you just make newcovers for the {disfmarker} for it ,Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: like we agreed before .Industrial Designer: Right . I agree .Project Manager: And everything that's left is is the basic function that uh thatwe want our product to have . Because the expensive parts are in either the advanced chip . But we need that for the L_C_D_ display .User Interface: Yeah . We do .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager:Then again , we have the L_C_D_ display , which is also expensive . B yeah , but those go together . And yeah , we could take out the curve .Industrial Designer: Or say let's lose rubber , take plastic .User Interface:We could take out a curve indeed .Project Manager: Could {disfmarker} we could take out the curve . Is that an option ?Industrial Designer: Yes .Marketing: {gap} .Project Manager: For you ?Industrial Designer:Although we are demolishing a little bit the style .Marketing: But uh the {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}User Interface: I think the colour is more important than the really the curve ,Project Manager: Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: But {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: because if you just end up with an entirely black remote control {disfmarker}Project Manager: I think it's {disfmarker} it it does ruin it,Marketing: Yeah . The people {disfmarker}Project Manager: but the fact that I t took that decision or tIndustrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Took this example actually , not really decision , but the example isbecause we do offer the um {vocalsound} the possibility of adding your own custom covers . So you can change {gap} any colour you want . So it's just you deliver a basic remote control with a possibility to changeyou into whatever you want .Industrial Designer: Can we then not also uh change the material ? We take plastic for the basic coverProject Manager: You can take plastic ,Industrial Designer: and {disfmarker}ProjectManager: but I d it's something that's stuck into my mind is that {disfmarker} something that really came forward from the marketing research is that people like the the the the squishy feeling of {disfmarker} thespongy feeling of the {disfmarker}Marketing: Spongy , yeah .Industrial Designer: We can put those to the to the other covers .Project Manager: and it really makes it {disfmarker} also makes it different from theexisting remote controls ,Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: because they're all plastic .Marketing: And {disfmarker}Project Manager: So which in in turn {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: That's true.Project Manager: Rubber would increase durabilityIndustrial Designer: But {disfmarker}Project Manager: because it doesn't break .Industrial Designer: okay . But what do you then suggest we'd lose ? Because wehave to lose two things and {disfmarker} I guess .Project Manager: I al like I said , I lost the speech recognition and I lost the special colour ,Marketing: But {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yes .ProjectManager: which would make this black a black and grey .Industrial Designer: Okay , and that's enough ?Project Manager: Yeah , that's that that that's enough , becauseUser Interface: So black and grey is okay .ProjectManager: I guess those are the basic colours .Marketing: But {disfmarker}Project Manager: So {disfmarker} Oh .User Interface: {vocalsound} Which we can fabricate ,Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: Ithink those are basic col They want to {disfmarker}User Interface: okay .Marketing: The people want to pay for for it , so why why uh {vocalsound} do we have to keep us uh uh um on the twelve and a half ?ProjectManager: To ensure the profit . That {disfmarker} that's th that's the order . We're just uh {disfmarker} we're the project team and we got our our orders from the pro from the boss of our companyMarketing: Yeah.Project Manager: which say we don't wanna spend more than twelve fifty for this .Marketing: But we can take a risk .Project Manager: But that's not for our {disfmarker} that's not our decision to take . We have abudget of twelve fifty per product .User Interface: No , we basically {disfmarker}Marketing: Okay , yeah .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: So {disfmarker}User Interface: We need to stick to that .ProjectManager: Stick that . I don't think it's really bad either . I mean if we we have the the backup of {disfmarker} or the backup design thingMarketing: I hope the people will like it ,Project Manager: to have{disfmarker}Marketing: but {disfmarker}Project Manager: I think they would do . Th I think they do like because yo we {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} we agree upon that the that the the the cover thing was a niceidea ,Marketing: {gap} {disfmarker}Project Manager: because p you could have all sort of designs while at the same time just manufacturing one product , one basic product which you could turn into any any taste youwant .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: So I think it's the best solution to make those cu custom covers for the design aspectIndustrial Designer: Perhaps we should make mMarketing: Yeah . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: and keep the functionality between {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} within the th the boundaries of the your f uh your budget .Industrial Designer: Huh .Marketing: The first sheet .Project Manager: So{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Perhaps we should make clear to our customer that we had to do this to stay under the cost . And that's {disfmarker} uh they know that this is an option and that we had to drop theoption to stay under the cost , that they know that .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Well I don't think {disfmarker} Yeah . Is it worth {disfmarker} is it is it {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Perhaps they decide thaUserInterface: But they don't {disfmarker}Project Manager: does it mean anything to the customer ? Like , it {disfmarker} like , we don't care {disfmarker} we don't care that you had to {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:Of course . Perhaps {gap} they uh {disfmarker} no , but perhaps they think uh okay , the cover is such a nice idea , uh let's {disfmarker} that that then they uh that allow us to make some more costs .ProjectManager: True ,Industrial Designer: We ca we uh we can at least tell them that {disfmarker}Project Manager: but we did we didn't get that . So I think it's {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: You don't know that .ProjectManager: it should either be a pack , maybe we sh that should be sold in in the s in stores with with a standard cover or something .User Interface: Well {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Huh .Project Manager: But{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: No , I'm not uh talking about that cost {gap} but the one that g has given us the order to design this . We could at least m uh make it like this , like you said ,Project Manager: Theycould , but uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: and then tell them okay , we had to drop this and that , just that you know . It is an {disfmarker} still an option , but {vocalsound} not for this price .Project Manager:It's an option , but {disfmarker} yeah , it's true . So actually uh it's not that much of an increase , but yeah . We cannot contact them .User Interface: And if we {disfmarker}Project Manager: It's just the order that wegot .Industrial Designer: Exactly ,Project Manager: So that's what we gotta go with .Industrial Designer: but {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: So it's either one fi just just to get it f just to get it throughfinal , it's either {vocalsound} turned into plastic , drop the squishy feel , make it make it more breakable ,Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: um or turn it yellow . So {disfmarker}{vocalsound} It's uh something we have to decide on .Industrial Designer: I'd say lose the curve and the colourProject Manager: I say lose the curve . Oh that's true ,Industrial Designer: and {disfmarker}ProjectManager: we could lose the c I forgot that , yeah , sorry . Uh the curve . So {disfmarker} {vocalsound}User Interface: So which curve is that baProject Manager: That's just this one just d this is the banana curve .UserInterface: that's basically that curve .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: So this would this would be straight .User Interface: So we could u still have the comfort .Marketing: Yeah , that's better .ProjectManager: No , uh {disfmarker} no , that would be a curve inside the thing , I guess . No , would ju then it would just be a straight remote . Just like {vocalsound} like that .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager:Which would , yeah , turn it into something far more ordinary . {gap} we could make it yellow then ,User Interface: I second that .Project Manager: but {disfmarker} You second that , you second that we lose the curve.User Interface: {vocalsound} No , that it would turn out to be a pretty straight-forward remote control .Project Manager: Okay , yeah .User Interface: So that's not really that {gap} {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah .Yeah .Project Manager: So I think it would be a good idea to keep the curve {vocalsound} to separate it from the rest of the remote control world , so to speak .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: So we keepthe curve . So the only only solution is either to use the l y lose the yellow or lose the rubber .User Interface: I would {disfmarker}Project Manager: And I'm in favour of keeping the rubber , because it has more moreadvantages than the colour yellow has .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Oh . I agree .User Interface: Yeah . I would say {disfmarker} I would agree with you on the colour ,Industrial Designer: No .Marketing: Yep.User Interface: because that's an extra option , an extra service we can deliver for a little bit of more money .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Yeah , umUser Interface: So we can always do that .Project Manager: I guesspeople are willing to pay for that . So I think we can take that option and just {disfmarker} with uh with the idea in the back of our head that you can customise your remote control .Industrial Designer: Hmm?Marketing: Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: So I think that would still make it a nice product .Industrial Designer: Yes .Project Manager: Okay , we're final on that . So {vocalsound} it's too bad we can't make thewhole super thing . But anyways we're here . Um yeah .User Interface: Which is basically what we discussed .Project Manager: This we discussed just now . That's just now {disfmarker} just {disfmarker} we could justdiscuss how the project went . I mean , was kind of {disfmarker}Marketing: And I want to do that .Project Manager: I sort of expected that everything would turn out this way , but because you {disfmarker} yeah ,everything cannot be for free . We didn't {disfmarker} I think it was too bad we didn't have the financial info the last time . Because that was {disfmarker} I thUser Interface: Yes ,Industrial Designer: Huh .ProjectManager: it was really essential reallyUser Interface: we could have {disfmarker}Project Manager: to ma because we spent uh uh entire stage designing a product of which we had no idea what it would cost .IndustrialDesigner: Hmm .Project Manager: So we just put something {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: I think it's really nor not in stroke with reality actually .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Me too , I felt a bit blind throughout the project ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer: because in the beginning I had no list of available materials ,ProjectManager: Yeah , I think {gap} {disfmarker} would have been .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Materials would be okIndustrial Designer: and then I d had not list of available c finances .Marketing: But{disfmarker}Project Manager: at least the last meeting I would have expected had to have that .Industrial Designer: So {disfmarker}Project Manager: So I suppose {disfmarker}Marketing: Let's um {vocalsound} see{gap} um {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah , let's see if it sells . I mean I suppose this sells , because it's very {disfmarker} {vocalsound} very extended .Marketing: Um {disfmarker}Project Manager: But{disfmarker}User Interface: Well I hope it sells . {vocalsound}Marketing: Let's {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: I suppose it sells ,Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: because it's good.Marketing: Oh .Project Manager: I mean it's got everything for the for the reasonable price , because we didn't know what it's gonna cost anyway .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing:Hmm . Okay , let's eval evaluate uh the product of us , our design . Um I have some {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh a method , a requirements and scale of . I uh will pre present uh some statements and we will decidedtogether wha what {disfmarker} if it's true or falseProject Manager: Okay .Marketing: and uh then we see uh if the requirements of the user are fulfilled or not .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Have been met , okay.Marketing: And I will uh make a new blank sheetProject Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: So so the buttons , the look and feel . I thought it was okay , but the advanced uh settings , um screen , audio and


Project Manager: Is that alright now ? {vocalsound} Okay . Sorry ? Okay , everybody all set to start the meeting ? Okay , we've got half an hour for this one um to uh discuss the um functional design .Marketing: Couldyou plug me in ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay . Thanks .Project Manager: All ready to go ? Okay .Marketing: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um so hopefully you've all beenworking away , and I've put the minutes of the last meeting in the project folder . Um so I guess just to to recap on uh what we did last time . Um kind of uh got to know each other a little bit and uh got familiar with allthe equipment and started to discuss um a bit about the project , you know , cost-wise how much how much money we had to s Um just want to tell you that you have three new requirements , which is the{disfmarker} The first one {vocalsound} is that um uh the company's decided that teletext is outdated uh because of how popular the internet is . Nobody uses teletext very much anymore , so we don't really need toconsider that in the functionality of the {disfmarker} of the remote control .Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: Um they've also suggested that we um we only use the remote control to control the television , not theV_C_R_ , D_V_D_ or anything else . I think the worry is that if the project becomes too complex then it'll affect um how long it takes us to get it into into production , the time to market . So um , we're just gonna keepit simple and it'll just control the T_V_ .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: And the other thing was that the company want the corporate colour and slogan to be implemented in the new design . Um I'm not entirelysure what the corporate colour is . It might be yellow , because there seems to be a lot of yellow everywhere .Marketing: And the slogan , like the actual written slogan , or just to embody the idea of the slogan ?ProjectManager: Well that's the thing , I'm I'm not sure um {vocalsound} uh th because on the the company website , uh what does it say {disfmarker} Uh something {disfmarker}Marketing: 'Bout putting the fashion inelectronics .Industrial Designer: Mm yeah .Project Manager: Yeah , I mean do they {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Is that something they want actually written on it , 'cause it's quite long . Um or yeah , just the idea , butI'm not sure . So that's something we can discuss as well . So those are the three things , just not to worry about teletext , uh only control the T_V_ , and um and uh incorporate the uh colour and slogan of the company. Um so is everybody okay with any of that , or do you want me to recap at all ?Industrial Designer: Nope , we're all set .Project Manager: Right um , time for presentations then . Who would like to go first ?UserInterface: {vocalsound} I'll go first .Project Manager: Okay , cool .Marketing: Sure .User Interface: Alright um , can I st steal this from the back of your laptop ? Uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh yeah , of course ,yeah . G go on ahead .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {gap} so this is the technical functions design . Um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Right {gap} to do the um {vocalsound} the design I have I've had a lookonline , I've had a look at the homepage , which has given us um some insp inspiration from previous products .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Um I've had a look at the previous products to see what theyoffer and um I would like to ask you guys for um {vocalsound} your ideas about the design at the end of the meeting . Um unfortunately we're not allowed to talk outside the meeting room , so {disfmarker}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Okay .Marketing: Right .User Interface: Um , having a look at the existing products , I found out that um it tends to come in sort of two extremes , there's either um a very complicated onethat's got lots of buttons , lots of colours , very confusing , you don't know what you're doing . {vocalsound} Um in that case the the labelling tends to be very bad . Um there's an example I'll show you at the end , um{gap} sh show you now . Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Alright {gap} .User Interface: {gap} here um the button there and there . This one's prog . Sorry . That one's perg and thatone's prog , and it doesn't really tell you what it does . Um , not sure if you had a a look at the other um control in that example . Um it's a very simple one . It's got only the basic functions mm but um {vocalsound} it'sthe same size as the the hard to use one .Project Manager: Oop .User Interface: {vocalsound} Uh it looked a bit clunky . They're very big and not very much use for {gap} buttons . {vocalsound} Um , {vocalsound}and it's just very hard to access the advanced functions . There's there's nothing for instance for a slow motion button . Um , my own preferences , I prefer the the clunky one . Um it's very easy to use . Um butunfortunately it does lack the advanced functions which I I quite like having on the controls . {vocalsound} Um so I believe the the advanced functions should maybe be hidden in a drawer , or something like tha {gap}from the bottom of it . So , {vocalsound} now I'd like to ask for your preferences . Um not sure of how long we've got , uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Um . Well we can chat away for uh for five minutes or so I thinkat at most .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Just a couple of minutes anyway .Marketing: M yeah , like a lot of a lot of what I've um read and prepared for this meeting fits in really closely with what with whatCraig's just gone over . So in part I could I could give you some of my personal preferences but I could also th add some to this which is just about sort of um sort of market research .Project Manager: Mm-hmm.Marketing: But anyway ,Project Manager: Shall we sh well we'll stick to kind of your area for now .Marketing: um we might come to that later .Industrial Designer: Which which is the clunky one , the one on left or onthe right?. .User Interface: {vocalsound} Um , the clunky one is the one on the right .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Um clunky in what sense , like um h heavier ? Larger ?User Interface:Um I think it's supposed to be the same size , but um it's got much fewer buttons . It's , you know , it's very spread outMarketing: I see , so it's more just basic .Project Manager: Looks kind of {disfmarker} Yeah .UserInterface: and kind of {disfmarker} you knowMarketing: Right , okay .User Interface: , I get the idea it'd be sort of about this size . {vocalsound} {gap} got very few buttons on it and {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah . Sure .Project Manager: Well I think it's a valid point . I mean like the one on the left looks quite um quite complicated , and that P_R_T_ p P_R_O_T_ thing isincredibly confusing . Um so I see I see why yo you know you might prefer the simpler design , but yeah you don't want to lose out on , you know , what it does , so maybe you knowMarketing: Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: you know you get a lot of remote controls where you kind of flip the thing open ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I think that's a good idea .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: I thinkit's a good idea . {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Um , {vocalsound} do we have any functions that um we'd want on it ?Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: I mean so far I've got um on and off ,um switch the channel up and down , and put the volume up and down .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Uh-huh .User Interface: Um they're just the the very basics you could use for a T_V_ .Project Manager: Uh-huh ,and then actual numbers for channels as well , yeah .User Interface: Okay . Um , you say that's a h a required one or a requested one ? Would you likeMarketing: Which was that ?User Interface: um the channels likethe the numbers on thing , um {disfmarker}Marketing: Up {disfmarker} the numbers , or the up down ?Project Manager: God , I wou I would say that's required ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I meanthere's no way anybody's gonna buy a remote control these days when if you can't actually individually select channels ,Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: I mean would anybody disagree with that ?Marketing: Yeah.Project Manager: Um , what else , uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So don't need to worry about teletext ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: don't need to worry about V_C_R_ , uh any kind of like displaycontrols at all do you think we need to worry about ,Marketing: We don't ? No ?Project Manager: you know like brightness and contrast ?Marketing: Yeah . Well I think I think es essentially what we're doing right now iswe're categorising . We're saying well we want this to be a product that offers all the sort of more tricky features but we want them to be in another area ?Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: Is that right ?ProjectManager: Yeah .Marketing: Is that what we're we're doing ?User Interface: Um , yeah .Marketing: We're kind of like sorting them an Or are we actually eliminating things we just don't want the product to have ?UserInterface: Um {disfmarker}Project Manager: I think {disfmarker} are you are you maybe kind of thinking what we absolutely have to have and what would be nice ?User Interface: Uh , to start with um sort of a bitboth , um we need to find out exactly what we have to haveProject Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: um and after that we can add things if they're possible .Project Manager: Okay , right . Well , do you wannamaybe just , at this point decide on what we absolutely must have as a p as a function of this .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Um , so so far , just to recap you've got volume and channel control and{disfmarker}Marketing: Yep .User Interface: There's um on and off , um volume and channel , and skip to certain channels with the numbers .Project Manager: Right okay . Um {disfmarker}Marketing: Well , one oneway I would look at this um would be that we a approach the different controls in terms of um like control types , so that for the user it's very clear what they want to do where they go .Project Manager: Mm-hmm yeah.Marketing: Uh and also think maybe a little bit about sorta w w what would just wanna be acc easily accessible .Project Manager: OkaMarketing: For example if we had audio controls , those could be something peopleset up very rarely . Maybe they're un they're they're they're in a little area but covered up um ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: things like channel and volume um are used all the time , so we just have themright out on top , um very just very sort of self-explanatory . Um so maybe we need to think about having three or more groupings of controls , you know like one which are just the the habitual ones that should be rightwithin your natural grip . And others that are uh also availableIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: and then others that are concealed .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Something like that .Project Manager:Uh well , just to to wrap up quickly on this this little section {disfmarker} Have I just lost {disfmarker} Oh no . Um , uh do you think maybe that's the only kind of uh essential requirements , and then maybe just thingsthat would be nice if it could do would be things like audio set up and display set up and things like that , maybe like a mute button , that sort of thing . Any of {disfmarker} you anything to add to that at all ?Marketing:Yeah .Industrial Designer: No .Project Manager: No .Industrial Designer: I'll add it later , I guess {gap} the presentation .Project Manager: Okay , right .Marketing: Mm-hmm . Yeah .Project Manager: Um okay,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: if we can move on to next presentation then please . UmMarketing: Sure .Project Manager: Do you wanna {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} Do you want toswitch places ?Marketing: Can this can this pl reach ? Can this plug come across ?Industrial Designer: No . No .Project Manager: Probably not , actually .Marketing: No .Project Manager: {gap}Marketing: So why don't Ijust pick up and move then .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Here , I'll just {vocalsound} Why don't I just {disfmarker} {vocalsound}User Interface: Just just switch them .Marketing: Mm er , can you go up behindme ? Kinda {disfmarker} This is so {disfmarker} This {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} {gap} bit complicated . It'd be nice if everything was wireless , wouldn't it ?Marketing: I'm all in a knot now .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Right .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Um . So I can I can say already , I dunno whether this is for good or for bad but there'll be a lot of kind ofuh redundancy in the in the the issues and the the uh {vocalsound} the things .Project Manager: Oh , like overlap between what you said ?Marketing: Yeah , yeah .Project Manager: Oh well , for all you know that{disfmarker} that'll happen .Marketing: Which is ma not necessarily a bad thing , but may what I've already started doing is cr I created a slide in in my presentation here so um so that we kind of think well what's thecumulative effect of what we've taken from your ideas and and mine , because certainly I I have a hard time separating separating things completely .Project Manager: Mm hard to know what {disfmarker} where yourrole ends , yeah .Marketing: Obviously obviously what you've just told me what you've just told me impacts a lot on what um like market research mm that that I've been {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay.Marketing: So how do I how do I get this up ?Industrial Designer: Um function F_ eight .Project Manager: Uh pr yeah , press function and F_ eight , yeah .Marketing: Okay . Okay . Alright . So {disfmarker} F_ eight?Industrial Designer: Function , the blue button . Next to the control on the left . Yeah .Marketing: Oh , and F_ eight . Okay .Industrial Designer: You have to push it together .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: Mm-hmm.Industrial Designer: Yep .Marketing: Okay , I think that that's doing it now .Industrial Designer: Nope . Try that again .Marketing: Uh , again ?Industrial Designer: Wait .User Interface: Think maybe the the wire in theback might be loose .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Yeah , you wanna {disfmarker} Oh oh here we go .Marketing: Um ,Industrial Designer: Yep , there we go .Project Manager: There you go .Marketing:{vocalsound} okay great . Okay . Just um {disfmarker} Before I bring this up what I'll just say is um what I've what I've done is tried to collect some information so that I can then relay this to to you guys so that it's{disfmarker} now becomes a collective thing . And then kind of lead us in the direction of deciding , 'kay what what are our options , what should we decide and do you know what I mean , so .Industrial Designer:{gap} Increase that 'cause we can't see the {disfmarker}Project Manager: Um {disfmarker}Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: That's much better .Project Manager: Right . Can you um{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: There you go .Project Manager: Right , okay .Marketing: Okay . Alright . That would be {disfmarker} Okay . So um does that make sense ? So what I basically got is I just looked intosome information and sort of th tried to think about how how we could review it and how we could {disfmarker} and what kind of decisions we could take away from it and then maybe by the end of just looking at someof these things we can think about what are our priorities . 'Cause certainly there's lots of different information to go through . So um I'm thinking here about uh primarily about customer needs , that we start with thecustomer , and w you know , what they want and what are issues with with um existing products . Uh to think about trends and also about {disfmarker} try and connect that as you see with the company vision which isabout fashion in electronics . Um and then , as I say uh w we'd like to prioritise our design features from this and um {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Bouncing on top .{vocalsound}Marketing: Dunno . Okay . Um .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: So this is what I've found here , um a lot of this is new to me , so we'll just read through together . Um , users dislike the look and feel ofcurrent remote controls . So they find them ugly . Most people find them ugly . Um {vocalsound} the vast majority would spend more money for it to look fancy as well , we'll see later , the vast majority would spendmore money for um slightly more intuitive control , such as voice recognition .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Okay I'm gonna {disfmarker} we'll look at that in a second . Um most people use only a f a veryslim portion of all the controls . So I guess what we're looking at here is people want this h technology , they tend to use the most simple controls and overall they find remote controls to be something they don't{disfmarker} doesn't really appeal to them .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: So I think what we're doing is we're trying to take like {disfmarker} if for me this is sorta like three different different um inspirations, you know , one is that we want uh something that's high-tech but we want it to seem easy . And in spite of the primitive side of it and the very high-tech side , we want it to just be an appealing piece of equipment inpeople's hands . Um , {vocalsound} frustrations . They get lost a lot , s as it came up in our last meeting . Um , takes time to learn how to use them . This is uh why I mention when Craig was uh showing us some ideasthat we actually try and group controls , so d it doesn't just look like a big panel , kinda like when you you look at , you know , a new computer keyboard , or something that is quite explanatory . If you want audio , ifyou want visual , then you have those . Um and I will admit I don't know what R_S_I_ stands for .Project Manager: Repetitive strain injury .Industrial Designer: Is installing a new remote control something that people{disfmarker}Marketing: Uh , no , that did not come up at all . Um so here here is another um sort of a a review here of the main things . I also found that most people would uh adults at least would pay more for voicerecognition . Now apparently we do have access to all the tech cutting edge technology in remote control . So I dunno if that's possible we might consider getting into it . Um . {vocalsound} And and again here as wesort of move m sort of thin start thinking about how we wanna sell and market this , I think a recurring theme here is the company wants it to be {disfmarker} wants us to make something that's fashionable and sleekand trendy .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Um people {vocalsound} uh additionally aren't aren't liking the appearance of their products , so we wanna think about as we take all the sort of the techie featureshow we can um put that into a unit which is which people like .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: You know , they like the aesthetics and the ergonomics .Project Manager: So want something that looks good and iseasy to use , big priorities .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Yeah , so you know just c looking at what what Craig um Craig's i uh ideas are s sorta tell me that maybe what we wanna do is try andum separate the different things that we wanna include in this . So if we do say well we want there to be all the technology will we try and make that almost be like optional technology . You know , it's like like I find alot of T_V_s these days , something really like about 'em is if you wanna just turn 'em on and off you can , but they have little panels where you click and there's just like tons of features you go through .ProjectManager: Mm . So it {disfmarker} you wanna group all the different kind of types of functions together , you know .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: That's {disfmarker} I think it's a good idea.Marketing: Yeah . That's s that's sort of the um {disfmarker} But I {disfmarker} I'm {disfmarker} my hope here is that I'm putting out this information so that we can then say okay , well how do we collectively moveon with it .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Okay .Marketing: Um I I haven't brought out one specific marketing idea , although my sense is that what we should try and think about is what are the current trends inmaterials and shapes and styles , and then use that .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: But not let that confine us technologically .Project Manager: Okay . Right .Marketing: So Alright ? Any um comments on all ofthat ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Well , um one of the things that we have to decide on by the end of the meeting is who we're gonna be um {disfmarker} who's our our target audience , our targetmarket .Marketing: That's uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Um , so if we want something that that looks good and is easy to use , but has y is fairly powerful product , whatever , who do we really want to aim that at


Marketing: Hello .Project Manager: {gap} . {gap} .Marketing: Yes , I made it . English from now on {vocalsound} . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {gap} . {vocalsound}Marketing: Drawing or{disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah just testing .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Mm ? English .Industrial Designer: Just kidding .Project Manager: {gap} .Industrial Designer: So annoying .Project Manager: Break isover .Marketing: Ooh it works .Project Manager: Whoo .Marketing: {vocalsound} Spicy .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Spicy .Marketing: Where are are all the other presentations ?Industrial Designer: I just put it inthe in the shared folder so it should be {disfmarker}Marketing: The conceptual or {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: yeah I think so . Yeah , conceptual design . What or whatever does it {disfmarker}Marketing: Ah .Because I see only my own presentation {vocalsound} {gap}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: No no no , can you go back one ?Marketing: yeah .Industrial Designer: Uh 'cause it has to be PowerPointpre yeah components design , that's it .Marketing: This ? {gap} I'll just put it in there .Project Manager: So , he's coming .Industrial Designer: {gap} . {vocalsound} I did get a bit more done than the last time,Marketing: Or not .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: Oh okay .Industrial Designer: 'cause I knew that I didn't have time so I just copy and paste everything into the {disfmarker}User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: Ah ,Project Manager: Ah . She {gap} .Marketing: I can't cut and paste it into the other folder but {disfmarker}Project Manager: You can look at the final report , 'cause I have to recordeverything we are deciding and such , so I'm trying to write it down between everything else .Marketing: Move to meeting room .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Sometimes I have these pop-ups or these sounds andthere's nothing there ,Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Oh .Industrial Designer: and also with {disfmarker} I don't know how to use PowerPoint , so it takes me forever to get something done with it .Marketing: Yeahme too , {gap} .User Interface: {vocalsound} I I've got the same problem as well . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah.Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Here we go again . Welcome . Uh we have again three presentations and then we have to decide on what concepts the mobile phone has to uh {disfmarker} f the remote control hasto support .Industrial Designer: ThiProject Manager: So who wants go .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Yes .Project Manager: Yes ?Industrial Designer: Who wants to start ?Marketing: Me first again or{disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah sure . Doesn't matter .User Interface: Oh . No . Yeah . No problemMarketing: yeah . Alright . Did you open it already or {disfmarker}Project Manager: No .Marketing: no . Ah . Ah .Yes . So welcome to the marketing presentation once again . Um this time about trendwatching . {vocalsound} Uh well there has been inv investigation again , in the in the remote control market . Uh it shows a numberof developments . Uh I will address them uh in a moment . Um fashion watch watchers uh have detected the trends for young public , because that's our public . Um well fruit and vegetables will be will be the mostimportant theme for clothing , uh shoes and furniture . And the feel of the material is expected to be spongey . So um the developments I will address them {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: ohyeah well this is the fruit and vegetables looks of fresh bright colours . So to give you an idea . Um well the developments ? Uh development one . {vocalsound} Uh well most important aspect for remote controlhappens to be a fancy look-and-feel . Instead of the current uh functional look-and-feel . Um well fancy stands for an original look-and-feel of the case and the interface . And the second most important aspect is that aremote control should be technological uh innovative . Um well it stands for the use of technical features that do not exist in current remote controls . I think we pretty much covered that with our screen and um andspeech recognition ,Industrial Designer: Sound . Yeah yeah uh uh .Marketing: so I don't expect that to be a problem . And the third development um is that the remote control should be easy to use . Um {disfmarker}Well the first aspect uh was twice as important as the second aspect,w which was twice as important as the third aspect .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: So um that kind of gets you this ratios . So fancylook-and-feel uh is the most important uh point of attention .Project Manager: {gap} .Marketing: Uh so the fruits and vegetables in combination with the spongey material . Um well technolog technological innovation ,we've covered that pretty much I guess . Um and easy to use , I don't think that will be problem . So my point of attention is especially this part .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: That this will be a crux . So thatwas the marketing uh presentation . I had only one document left .Industrial Designer: And shall I go first ?User Interface: Yeah . No . I I don't mi I don't mind .Industrial Designer: So I {disfmarker}User Interface:That's {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah yeah sure . No .Marketing: So kind of this {disfmarker}User Interface: Do you want to go first ? Okay .Industrial Designer: Yeah ?Marketing: {vocalsound} So ak a small example .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: Kind of this this look .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Uh nothing about the buttons but just sponge kind of thing , and and some fruit andcoloursUser Interface: Yeah .Marketing: I dunno . {vocalsound} Just made a quick design .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Cool . {vocalsound} Yeah you're just the user interface hmm ?User Interface:It's better than than my uh drawing . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: Alright . {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah okay but I have to design the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Uh components.Project Manager: Yeah layout .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah okay .Industrial Designer: Oh no .Marketing: Yeah . It's okay .Project Manager: You probably opened it .Industrial Designer: Yeah true . Um{disfmarker}Project Manager: F_ five .Marketing: F_ five .Industrial Designer: Alright . So {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'm dealing with the components design . Um let's see . I uh usedsome design examples we had uh from similar products . And I used uh possibilities from our manufacturing department about current components which will have to be implemented in the design . That's why I had to ,wanted to go first . Well they gave me um an idea about what people want . We're f mainly focusing on this group , but I want to make the distinction clear . Uh I could not drag the pictures into the the slides so s so Idon't have examples of how it looks like . But it comes down to what you uh what you think we should do with the spongey and the fruity looking uh type . If you , the young dynamic people want soft primary colours uh, which looks like fruits you know , you can {disfmarker} and shapes that are curved and not uh solid straight lines anymore . So this basically um yeah goes on to what you were mentioning earlier . There is a lot of um{vocalsound} factors involved in choosing the components .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: There's a lot of options that we have to discuss . Uh for example the energysource . we have four types . The basic battery . Uh we have a hand dynamo , which we yeah we Dutch refer to it as the kneipgatt .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Uh the kinetic provision of energy whichmeans if you move the thing , if you shake it .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Which will be fun for toddlers right , if they wanna use the {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah.Industrial Designer: And uh of course solar cells . But I dunno how we would use that into the design of the actual product .Marketing: Wi an indoors .Industrial Designer: So uh my {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeahokay .Marketing: Oh .Project Manager: Calculator's can do it .Industrial Designer: yeah also also in you know countries where there's n isn't much light like in Scandinavia , they wouldn't be y able to use it half of theyear you know .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: So that's not cool either . So um {vocalsound} for the uh a case , there's uh thetraditional uncurved flat hard case . Single curved , which means that it has uh curves in one dimension . Or the double curved . Um {vocalsound} I wasn't able to finish my uh personal preferences sheet , but well youknow that we will have to go for the double curved 'cause it's daring and different from what we have now . Uh the case materials .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Well we have all kinds of hard uh materials likethe the hard plastic , the wood and the titanium . I would definitely go for rubber 'cause it fits most in what people wanna see nowadays .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Um poo , this is a lot of text . I wasn't ableto organise this yet . We have yeah several uh interface designs . Uh we can use a scroll buttons for the menus , but we already kind of decided to go for the f for the pushbuttons , for the the arrow buttons .UserInterface: Yeah . Pushbuttons . Yeah .Industrial Designer: So that's not really interesting .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Electronics ? Yeah , {vocalsound} maybe we wanna decide on what electronics to use{gap} the advanced chip I think is easiest to implement uh for the production , 'cause they they can print it better . Um {disfmarker} Yeah . I think this is about it . Yeah I was working on some per personal preferences. I first uh chose for the battery , 'cause yeah I'm traditional and that's the most obvious , easiest choice to go to . But I really think that we should maybe uh think about the kinetic energy ,User Interface: Yeah.Industrial Designer: where you have to move the thing to be able to use it .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: As an optional uh feature .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Or combine uh bothwith a with one uhProject Manager: Uh I think you can only fit one uh source of energy on the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah maybe we {disfmarker}Marketing: I guess we can only choose one .User Interface:Okay .Industrial Designer: I can imagine that the kinetic uh type energy source would be more expensive to make . But it is more longlasting , that the people don't have to ever buy batteries again .Project Manager:YeahMarketing: Yeah . And it's more fun .Project Manager: I didn't receive any info uh .Industrial Designer: And it's also more fun yeah . I always chuck my uh remote control around , so {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah ,just playing with itProject Manager: Yeah .Marketing: and {disfmarker} especially when the material's rubber . It can be done , I mean , you can't harm it ,Project Manager: S yeah it's safe .User Interface:{vocalsound} And throw it {gap} .Industrial Designer: Yeah y exactly .Marketing: so it's a perfect combination I guess .Industrial Designer: You don't have to be scared about bouncing it off the g floor and breaking itor whatever .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: So that's the end of it .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: So {disfmarker}Project Manager: 'Kay next .IndustrialDesigner: Uh go ahead .Marketing: So double curved is like this , this , this , or {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: No it means curved in two dimensions . So uh w single curved ? Uh let's say would be a b square box ,but then with curves on one dimension .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: And double curved would means that it would have curves curves in every direction . Like three D_ . Yeah .Marketing: Yeah . Also in in height?Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah okay .Project Manager: Okay . Can we uh {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah . One one uh very important thing I was uh yeah thinking about is the speech uh option .We were going to use that .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah . So um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah um yeah that's one thing uh which I'm not sure uh of how to implement it uh into the remote control.Project Manager: Well the visual representation is not there with speechIndustrial Designer: Design ?User Interface: No okay but it has to be combined with with the menu uh for functions and {disfmarker}ProjectManager: but you can {disfmarker} Yeah . Just {disfmarker} yeah .User Interface: So okay .Project Manager: I think you can just uh match the speech commands with the functions that are already present .UserInterface: Yeah .Project Manager: So I don't think you have to design anything else for that .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: Yeah with the programme .User Interface: But do uh j do we uh do the speech just for thebasic options , for the simple buttons ?Project Manager: Both .User Interface: For for everything ,Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: also for the advanced options ? Okay . Uh we have this {gap} very uh basic uhtrendy design . Everybody says it so that's what's uh {disfmarker} yeah um {disfmarker} Yeah in the in the last uh meeting we uh we were yeah putting the the simple and the advanced options separated . That's yeahobvious . Um yeah . Pressing the the menu option uh will disable uh all other options on your uh remote control . And only the the L_C_D_ panel will uh light up and then you can only uh change the yeah the options.Marketing: And and the and the buttons that you need to control it , I guess .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah . Um yeah design has to be very attractive but that's your your op your {disfmarker} yeah.Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {gap} {vocalsound} you have to uh delete this but this is the the the simple uh layout .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Uh display on the upper side with the themenu button and maybe a some sort of cancel button or save button .Project Manager: That would be the back .User Interface: I'm {disfmarker} The back .Project Manager: Back and okay .Marketing: Yeah .UserInterface: Back and okay yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} Back and okay .Project Manager: You did read the minutes I wrote ?User Interface: Uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: You did read the minutes I wrote ?UserInterface: What ? A little bit I think but not not everything wIndustrial Designer: I {disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh okay 'cause I pretty much summed up all the buttons there were . So {disfmarker}User Interface:Okay . Oh {vocalsound} I uh didn't read that .Project Manager: I hate doing work for nothing . {vocalsound}User Interface: But {disfmarker} {vocalsound} But this is the the basic uh design uh for the for the m yeahfor the buttons .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Um {disfmarker} I wanted to to categorise everything . Uh with a speech display uh yeah , sound , everything you you noted in your uh minutes . Um everypushbutton has uh has its own uh LED light .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: So you can uh yeah change uh m make it more trendy for for younger people . And uh if there are older people they wantedmore uh yeah more uh luxurous {disfmarker} so that's an a also an option . Um that was it .Project Manager: {vocalsound} That was it ?User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: Okay . Uh {disfmarker}{gap} again . Ugh . {vocalsound} Okay so what we have to decide is what kind of components do we use ? Uh energy source , chip type , case type . And user interface . But I didn't see a clear distinction betweenthese so I think what we have is okay . So we only , we already decided that kinetic would be the choice for energy .Marketing: No .Project Manager: Uh the case would be doubly curved . So {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: And rubber . Rubber material .Marketing: Rubber material .Project Manager: Rubber material . And that's the only thing we have left .Industrial Designer: Yeah we need the the chip on print to be able tosupport the the screen and uh and f audio function .Project Manager: Oh okay . No it's easy . {vocalsound}Marketing: So that's uh {disfmarker} is that is that the advanced chip ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah. Yeah .Project Manager: Advanced chip . Okay .Industrial Designer: Otherwise you would have a simple chip , just for pressing buttons . But we need more .Marketing: Wow . Yeah . Alright .Industrial Designer: I'm justthinking , this is not my department , but I I'm not sure what this is gonna cost ,Marketing: Kinetic . Double curved .Project Manager: Too {gap} .Industrial Designer: to be able to mProject Manager: Uh I didn't get anyinfo on this . So {disfmarker}Marketing: {gap} .Industrial Designer: So 'cause we need to sell it for twenty five Euro a piece .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer: That'sgonna be difficult huh ?Marketing: The cost of making it should be twelve and a half ?Project Manager: I have total here .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah I don't know.Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah yeah .Project Manager: I didn't get any information about that so {disfmarker}User Interface: {gap} . We're going to produce it in uh China so it's no problem .Project Manager: Yeah.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Child labour man , we love it .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah , so it's cheap .Project Manager: Who doesn't . Uh let's see . Is there a new thing?Marketing: Um well the interface type supplements .Project Manager: Yeah the interface , maybe can {disfmarker}User Interface: Uh it's it's quite difficult because we we haven't got all the options uh {disfmarker}yeah .Project Manager: Ooh . No . Uh do you have a picture of doubly curved case ? And could you put that in the group folder ? Of the project folder .Industrial Designer: Um let me see . Wait a sec .Marketing: If yougo to your homepage or something , you shouldIndustrial Designer: Yeah I'm going there now .Marketing: get your own information .Industrial Designer: Inspiration .Marketing: I got my fresh and fyoo fruity uh pictureuh also uh over there , so {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Ah you didn't draw it yourself .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Well {disfmarker}Marketing: No .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Ah .Marketing: {vocalsound} Too less time .Industrial Designer: Um {disfmarker} yeah maybe it's {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah , also the menu .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah that that wUser Interface: This isthe the menu I was uh looking uh at .Marketing: Yeah . Yeah I was thinking of that also , with with a with a uh arrow .Industrial Designer: Maybe it's easier {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Arrow.User Interface: Arrow yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: So that indicates that there's an menu under that menu .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah perfect .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: So{disfmarker}Project Manager: {gap} . 'S the target group .Industrial Designer: Maybe it's easier if you guys come over here .User Interface: S yeah .Project Manager: Yeah sure . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Ssee this is the the the standard traditional type , where the form uh yeah serves the function , you know .Marketing: Oh yeah .Industrial Designer: It's like really basic . But this m is more appealing to old people and wedon't want that .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: This is what we're looking for . And th that means curved in both dire dire uh dimensions .Project Manager: Oh okay . 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Grad H: stGrad F: So we 're on .Grad H: Yeah . That 's better .Grad F: And , {comment} somewhere is my agenda . I think the most important thing is Morgan wanted to talk about , uh , the ARPA {pause} demo.Professor D: Well , so , here 's the thing . Um , why don't we s again start off with {disfmarker} with , uh , Yeah , I 'll get it . I 'll get the door . Um , I think we want to start off with the agenda . And then , given that ,uh , Liz and Andreas are gonna be {pause} ten , fifteen minutes late , we can try to figure out what we can do most effectively without them here . So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So {disfmarker} so , one thing is ,yeah , talk about demo ,Grad F: OK . So , uh {disfmarker} uh , IBM transcription status ,Professor D: IBM transcription . Uh , what else ?Grad F: Professor D:  What 's SmartKom ? SmartKom ?Grad F: Uh , we wannatalk about if w if we wanna add the data to the mar Meeting Recorder corpus .PhD E: The data . The data which we are collecting here .Professor D: What {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what are we collecting here?PhD E: Data ?Grad F: So why don't we have that on the agenda and we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll get to it and talk about it ?PhD E: The SmartKom data ?Professor D: Yeah , right .PhD E: Yeah .Professor D: Uh , right . Uh.Grad F: Uh , reorganization status .Professor D: Reorganization status .Postdoc A: Oh . Files and directories ?Professor D: Files and directories .Grad F: Yep . Uh - huh . Absinthe , which is the multiprocessor UNIX{disfmarker} Linux . I think it was {pause} Andreas wanted to talk about segmentation and recognition , and update on SRI recognition experiments .Professor D: Um {disfmarker}Grad F: And then if ti if there 's time Iwanted to talk about digits , but it looked like we were pretty full , so I can wait till next week .Professor D: Right . OK . Well , let 's see . I think the a certainly the segmentation and recognition we wanna maybe focuson when An - Andreas is here since that was particularly his thing .PhD E: And also the SmartKom thing should bProfessor D: SmartKom also , Andreas . Absinthe , I think also he has sort of been involved in a lot ofthose things .Grad F: At least ,Professor D: Yeah .Grad F: yeah , he 'll t he 'll probably be interested .Professor D: Yeah .Grad F: But .Professor D: Um So , I mean , I think they 'll be inter I 'll be interested in all this ,but {disfmarker} but , uh , probably , if we had to pick something {pause} that we would talk on for ten minutes or so while they 're coming here . Or I guess it would be , you think , reorganization status , or{disfmarker} ?Grad F: Yeah . I mean , I think , Chuck was the one who added out the agenda item . I don't really have anything to say other than that we still haven't done it .PhD B: Well , I mean , I uh {disfmarker}{vocalsound} just basically that {disfmarker}Grad F: So .PhD B: maybe I said {disfmarker} maybe we said this before {disfmarker} just that we met and we talked about it and we sort of have a plan for getting thingsorganized and {disfmarker}Postdoc A: And I {disfmarker} and I think a crucial part of that is the idea of {disfmarker} of not wanting to do it until right before the next level zero back - up so that there won't be hugenumber of {disfmarker} of added ,PhD B: Right .Postdoc A: uh {disfmarker}Grad F: Right .PhD B: That {disfmarker} that was basically it . Not {disfmarker} not much @ @ {disfmarker}Grad F: Although Dave basicallysaid that if we wanna do it , just tell him and he 'll do a d level zero then .Postdoc A: Yeah . Uh - huh . Oh , excellent .Grad F: So .Postdoc A: Oh , good .PhD B: Oh , so maybe we should just go ahead and get everythingready , and {disfmarker}Grad F: Yep . So , I think we do need to talk a little bit about {disfmarker} Well , we don't need to do it during this meeting .PhD B: Yeah .Grad F: We have a little more to discuss . But , uh , we're {disfmarker} we 're basically ready to do it . And , uh , I have some web pages on ts {comment} more of the background . So , naming conventions and things like that , that I 've been trying to keep actually up todate . So . And I 've been sharing them with U - d UW folks also .Postdoc A: I 'm sorry , you 've been what ? Showing them ?Professor D: OK .Postdoc A: Sharing them .Grad F: Sharing them with the UW folks .PostdocA: OK . OK .Professor D: OK . Well , maybe uh , since that {disfmarker} that was a pretty short one , maybe we should talk about the IBM transcription status . Someone can {vocalsound} fill in Liz and Andreas later .UhGrad F: OK . So , we , uh {disfmarker} we did another version of the beeps , where we separated each beeps with a spoken digit . Chuck came up here and recorded some di himself speaking some digits , and so itjust goes " beep one beep " and then the phrase , and then " beep two beep " and then the phrase . And that seems pretty good . Um , I think they 'll have a b easier time keeping track of where they are in the file .PhDE: And we have done that on the {pause} automatic segmentations .Grad F: And we did it with the automatic segmentation , and I don't think {disfmarker} We ne we didn't look at it in detail . We just sent it to IBM .We {disfmarker} we sorta spot - checked it .PhD B: I listened to {pause} probably , uh , five or ten minutes of it from the beginning .PhD E: Yeah .Grad F: Oh , really ?PhD B: Yeah .Grad F: OK .PhD B: And{disfmarker}Grad F: I sorta spot - checked here and there and it sounded pretty good . So . I think it 'll work .Professor D: OK .Grad F: And , uh , we 'll just hafta see what we get back from them . Uh {disfmarker}PhDB: And the main thing will be if we can align what they give us with what we sent them . I mean , that 's the crucial part .Grad F: Right .PhD B: And I think we 'll be able to do that at {disfmarker} with this new beepformat .Grad F: Yep . Well , I think it 's also they are much less likely to d have errors .PhD B: Mm - hmm .Grad F: I mean , so the problem wi last time is that there were errors in the transcripts where they put beepswhere there weren't any , or {disfmarker} and they put in extraneous beeps .PhD B: Right . Yeah .Grad F: And with the numbers there , it 's much less likely .PhD B: Yeah , one interesting note is {disfmarker} uh , orproblem {disfmarker} I dunno if this was just because of how I play it back , I say , uh , SND - play and then the file , every once in a while , @ @ {comment} uh , like a beep sounds like it 's cut into two beeps .PhD E:Yeah . Into two pieces .PhD B: Yeah , and I {disfmarker} I dunno if that 's an , uh , artifact of playback {disfmarker}PhD E: Yeah . Yep .PhD B: bu uh , I don't think it 's probably in the original file . Um , but , uh{disfmarker}PhD E: I recognize that , too . Yeah .Grad F: Ha . That 's interesting . I didn't hear that .PhD B: Yeah . But with this new format , um , that hopefully they 're not hearing that , and if they are , it shouldn'tthrow them .PhD E: Yep .PhD B: So .Grad F: Well , maybe we better listen to it again , make sure , but , I mean , certainly the software shouldn't do that ,PhD B: Yeah . That 's what I thought .Grad F: so .Postdoc A:Mm - hmm .PhD B: I it 's probably just , you know , mmm , somehow the audio {pause} device gets hung for a second ,PhD E: Yeah . Some latency or something .Grad F: Hiccups .PhD E: Yeah ?Postdoc A: As long asthey have one number , and they know that there 's only one beep maximum {vocalsound} that goes with that number .PhD B: or {disfmarker}PhD E: Yeah .PhD B: Yeah . Right .Grad F: Yeah . The only {disfmarker}the only part that might be confusing is when Chuck is reading digits .PhD B: Right .PhD E: Yep .Postdoc A: Well , you know , actually , are we having them {disfmarker}PhD B: So {vocalsound} thGrad F: " Seven foureight beep seven beep {vocalsound} eight three two " .Postdoc A: Yeah , but are we having them do digits ?Grad F: Yes . Because , uh , we don't {disfmarker} we didn't {disfmarker} In order to cut them out we 'dhave to listen to it .PhD B: We {disfmarker} we didn't cut those out .PhD E: Yeah . They are not transcribed yet . So . Yeah .Postdoc A: OK .PhD E: Yeah .Grad F: And we wanted to avoid doing that ,Postdoc A: OK .GradF: so we {disfmarker} they are transcribing the digits .Postdoc A: OK .PhD B: We can {disfmarker} we can ignore it when we get it back ,Grad F: Although we could tell them {disfmarker} {comment} {vocalsound} wecould tell them , if you hear someone reading a digits string just say " bracket digit bracket "PhD B: huh .Grad F: and don't bother actually computing the di writing down the digits .PhD B: Yeah .Postdoc A: That 'd begreat . That 'd be what I 'm having the transcribers here do , cuz it can be extracted later .Grad F: Yep . And then I wanted to talk about {disfmarker} but as I said I {disfmarker} we may not have time {disfmarker}what we should do about digits . We have a whole pile of digits that haven't been transcribed .Professor D: Le - let 's talk about it , because that 's {disfmarker} that 's something that I {disfmarker} I know Andreas isless interested in than Liz is ,Grad F: OK .Professor D: so , you know . It 's good {disfmarker}Grad F: Do we have anything else to say about transcription ? About IBM stuff ?PhD B: Uh , Brian {disfmarker} I{disfmarker} I {vocalsound} sent bresset {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} sent Brian a message about {pause} {vocalsound} the meeting and I haven't heard back yet . So . I g hope he got it and hopefullyhe 's {disfmarker}Grad F: OK .Postdoc A: Hmm .PhD B: maybe he 's gone , I dunno . He didn't even reply to my message . So . I should probably ping him just to make sure that he got it . Grad F: Alright . So , wehave a whole bunch of digits , if we wanna move on to digits .Professor D: Actually , maybe I {disfmarker} One {disfmarker} one relate more related thing in transcription . So that 's the IBM stuff . We 've got thatsorted out . Um , how 're we doing on the {disfmarker} on the rest of it ?Postdoc A: We 're doing well . I {disfmarker} I hire {disfmarker} I 've hired two extra people already , expect to hire two more .Grad F: Hmm.Postdoc A: And , um , {vocalsound} I 've prepared , um , uh , a set of five which I 'm {disfmarker} which I 'm calling set two , which are now being edited by my head transcriber , {vocalsound} in terms of spellingerrors and all that . She 's also checking through and mar and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and monitoring , um , the transcription of another transcriber . You know , I mean , she 's going through and doing these kindsof checks .Professor D: Uh - huh .Postdoc A: And , I 've moved on now to what I 'm calling set three . I sort of thought if I do it in sets {disfmarker} groups of five , then I can have , like , sort of a {disfmarker} aparallel processing through {disfmarker} through the {disfmarker} the current .Professor D: Uh - huh .Postdoc A: And {disfmarker} and you indicated to me that we have a g a goal now , {vocalsound} for the{disfmarker} for the , um , {nonvocalsound} {vocalsound} the , uh , DARPA demo , of twenty hours . So , I 'm gonna go up to twenty hours , be sure that everything gets processed , and released , and {disfmarker}{pause} {comment} and that 's {disfmarker} that 's what my goal is . Package of twenty hours right now , {vocalsound} and then once that 's done , move on to the next .Professor D: Yeah , uh , so twenty hours . ButI guess the other thing is that , um , that {disfmarker} that 's kinda twenty hours ASAP because the longer before the demo we actually have the twenty hours , the more time it 'll be for people to actually do coolthings with it .Postdoc A: Mm - hmm . Good . I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm hiring people who , {vocalsound} uh , really are {disfmarker}Professor D: So . OK .Postdoc A: They would like to do it full - time , several of thesepeople . And {disfmarker} and I don't think it 's {vocalsound} possible , really , to do this full - time , but , that {disfmarker} what it shows is motivation to do as many hours as possible .Professor D: Mm - hmm .GradF: It 'll keep your accuracy up . Yep .Professor D: Yeah .Postdoc A: And they 're really excellent .Professor D: Yeah . Well , that 's good .Postdoc A: Yeah . Got a good core group now .Professor D: Yeah , I mean , Iguess the {disfmarker} So the difference if {disfmarker} if , um , if the IBM stuff works out , the difference in the job would be that they p primarily would be checking through things that were already done bysomeone else ?Postdoc A: Again . Mm - hmm .Professor D: Is that most of what it {disfmarker} ?Grad F: And correcting .Professor D: I mean {disfmarker} Correcting .Grad F: Correcting . We 'll {disfmarker} we 'llexpect that they 'll have to move some time bins and do some corrections .Postdoc A: And I {disfmarker} you know , I 've also d uh , discovered {disfmarker} So with the new transcriber I 'm {disfmarker} um{disfmarker} So {disfmarker} Uh , lemme say that my , uh {disfmarker} So , um {disfmarker} At present , um , the people have been doing these transcriptions a channel at a time . And , that sort of , um ,{vocalsound} is useful , and t you know , and then once in a while they 'll have to refer to the other channels to clear something up . OK . Well , {vocalsound} I realize that , um , w i we we 're using the pre -segmented version , and , um , the pre - segmented version is extremely useful , and wouldn't it be , useful also to have the visual representation of those segments ? And so I 've {disfmarker} {pause} uh , {pause} I ,uh , uh , I 've {comment} trained the new one {disfmarker} uh , the new the newest one , {vocalsound} to , um , {vocalsound} use the visual from the channel that is gonna be transcribed at any given time . And that's just amazingly helpful . Because what happens then , is you scan across the signal and once in a while you 'll find a blip that didn't show up in the pre - segmentation .Grad F: Oh , right .Postdoc A: And that 'll besomething like {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I it 's ver {disfmarker} it 's interesting .Grad F: I see what you mean . A backchannel , or {disfmarker}Postdoc A: Once in a while it 's a backchannel .PhD E: Yep .Postdoc A:Sometimes it seems to be , um , similar to the ones that are being picked up .Grad F: Mm - hmm .Postdoc A: And they 're rare events , but you can really go through a meeting very quickly . You just {disfmarker} youjust , you know , yo you s you scroll from screen to screen , looking for blips . And , I think that we 're gonna end up with , uh {pause} better coverage of the backchannels ,Professor D: Yeah .Postdoc A: but at thesame time we 're benefitting tremendously from the pre - segmentation because {vocalsound} there are huge places where there is just absolutely no activity at all . And , uh , the audio quality is so good{disfmarker}Professor D: Mm - hmm .PhD B: So they can {disfmarker} they can , um , scroll through that pretty quick ?Postdoc A: Yeah . Mm - hmm .PhD B: That 's great .Postdoc A: Yeah . So I think that that 'sgonna , also {pause} eh , {comment} you know , speed the efficiency of this part of the process .Professor D: Hmm . OK . Uh , yeah . So , uh {disfmarker} Yeah . So let 's talk about the digits , since they 're not hereyet .Grad F: Uh , so , we have a whole bunch of digits that we 've read and we have the forms and so on , um , but only a small number of that ha well , not a small number {disfmarker} only a subset of that has beentranscribed . And so we need to decide what we wanna do . And , uh , Liz and Andreas {disfmarker} actually they 're not here , but , they did say at one point that they thought they could do a pretty good job of justdoing a forced alignment . And , again , I don't think we 'll be able to do with that alone , because , um , sometimes people correct themselves and things like that . But {disfmarker} so , I was just wondering whatpeople thought about how automated can we make the process of finding where the people read the digits , doing a forced alignment , and doing the timing .Professor D: Well , forced alignment would be one thing .What about just actually doing recognition ?Grad F: Well , we {disfmarker} we know what they read , because we have the forms .Professor D: No , they make mistakes .Grad F: Right . But , the point is that we wannaget a set of clean digits .PhD B: You 're talking about as a pre - processing step .Professor D: Right .PhD B: Right , Morgan ?Professor D: Um {disfmarker}PhD B: Is that what you 're {disfmarker} ?Professor D: Yeah , I'm {disfmarker} I 'm not quite sure what I 'm talking about . I mean {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I mean , uh , we 're talking about digits now . And {disfmarker} and so , um , there 's a bunch of stuff that hasn't beenmarked yet . Uh . And , um , {vocalsound} there 's the issue that {disfmarker} that they {disfmarker} we know what {disfmarker} what was said , but do we ?Grad F: I mean , so one option iProfessor D: Becausepeople make mistakes and stuff . I was just asking , just out of curiosity , if {disfmarker} if with , uh {disfmarker} uh , the SRI recognizer getting one percent word error , uh , would we {disfmarker} would we do{pause} better {disfmarker} ? So , if you do a forced alignment but the force but the {disfmarker} but the transcription you have is wrong because they actually made mistakes , uh , or {vocalsound} false starts , it 's{disfmarker} it 's much less c {vocalsound} it 's {pause} much less common than one percent ?Grad F: But that 's pretty uncommon . Um , if we could really get one percent on {disfmarker}Professor D: We should beable to .Grad F: Well , I guess {disfmarker} yeah , I guess if we segmented it , we could get one percent on digits .Professor D: Right ?PhD B: Yeah .Professor D: Yeah . So that 's just my question . I 'm not saying itshould be one way or the other , but it 's {disfmarker} If {disfmarker}Grad F: But , Well , there {disfmarker} there 're a couple different of doing it . We could use the tools I 've already developed and transcribe it .Hire some people , or use the transcribers to do it . We could let IBM transcribe it . You know , they 're doing it anyway , and unless we tell them different , they 're gonna transcribe it . Um , or we could try someautomated methods .Professor D: Well {disfmarker}Grad F: And my {disfmarker} my tendency right now is , well , if IBM comes back with this meeting and the transcript is good , just let them do it .Professor D: Yeah, it 's {disfmarker} Y you raised a point , kind of , uh , euphemistically {disfmarker} but , I mean , m maybe it is a serious problem . Ho - what will they do when they go {disfmarker} hear " beep {pause} seven{pause} beep {pause} seven three five two " {disfmarker} I mean , {vocalsound} you think they 'll {disfmarker} we 'll get {disfmarker} ?Grad F: It 's pretty distinct .Professor D: Yeah ?Grad F: The beeps are {pause}pre - recorded .PhD B: It 'll {comment} only be a problem for m for mine .PhD E: Yeah .Postdoc A: Well it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} well , it 'd be preceded by " I 'm reading transcript so - and - so " ?PhD B: Yeah.Grad F: Yes .Postdoc A: So , I think if they 're processing it at {disfmarker}Grad F: I mean , it 'll be {disfmarker} it will be in the midst of a digit string .Professor D: Yeah .Grad F: So {disfmarker} I mean it{disfmarker} sure , there {disfmarker} there might be a place where it 's " beep seven {pause} beep eight {pause} beep {pause} eight {pause} beep " . But , you know , they {disfmarker} they 're {disfmarker} they're gonna macros for inserting the beep marks . And so , I {disfmarker} I don't think it 'll be a problem . We 'll have to see , but I don't think it 's gonna be a problem .Professor D: OK . Well , I {disfmarker} I{disfmarker} I dunno , I {disfmarker} I think that that 's {disfmarker} if they are in fact going to transcribe these things , uh , certainly any process that we 'd have to correct them , or whatever is {disfmarker} needsto be much less elaborate for digits than for other stuff .Grad F: Right .Professor D: So , why not ? Sure . That was it ?Grad F: That was it . Just , what do we do with digits ?Professor D: OK .Grad F: We have so many ofthem , {vocalsound} and it 'd be nice to {pause} actually do something with them .Professor D: Well , we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we wanna have them . Yeah , I {disfmarker}PhD I: You mean there 're morethan ten ?Grad F: Anything else ? Your mike is a little low there .Professor D: I in Berkeley , yeah . So , {vocalsound} uh {pause} You {disfmarker} you have to go a little early , right ? At twenty {disfmarker}PhD I:Well , I can stay till about , uh , three forty .Professor D: Alright . So le let 's make sure we do the ones that {disfmarker} that , uh , saved you .PhD I: Yeah . Mm - hmm .Professor D: So there was some {disfmarker}Uh {pause} {vocalsound} In {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} Adam 's agenda list , he had something from you about segmentation this last recognition ?PhD I: Well , yeah . So this is just partly to inform everybody , um, and {disfmarker} and of course to get , um , input .Grad F: Oops .PhD I: Um , so , {nonvocalsound} uh , we had a discussion {disfmarker} Don and Liz and I had discussion last week about how to proceed with , uh ,