Project Manager: Can I close this ?UserInterface: Uh we don't have any changes , do we?Project Manager: Oh , okay .User Interface: Sono . {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} There we go . Okay , here we areagain . Detailed design {disfmarker} oh , comeon . Well {disfmarker} Ah {gap} s Forgot toinsert the minutes , but it's about the same thingwe discussed before . Uh {disfmarker} Couldopen that anyway , think . Other design{disfmarker} anyway , we took as {disfmarker}we took w we took rubber as as the material lasttime . We also {gap} that you're just busy with it. Took the advanced chip to t uh implement theadvanced features . Well , we discussed thedesign , no sharp corners , we rounded it off ,like you see on the {gap} other screen , which isfine . Um {gap} we agreed that the colourshould be b uh yellow and black . Yellow in theback because it's m trendy , more trendy thanblack anyway . So {vocalsound} then we ca yeah. We agreed that we would implement both the


Project Manager: Is that alright now ?{vocalsound} Okay . Sorry ? Okay , everybodyall set to start the meeting ? Okay , we've gothalf an hour for this one um to uh discuss the umfunctional design .Marketing: Could you plug mein ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} Okay . Thanks .Project Manager:All ready to go ? Okay .Marketing: Okay .{vocalsound}Project Manager: Um so hopefullyyou've all been working away , and I've put theminutes of the last meeting in the project folder .Um so I guess just to to recap on uh what we didlast time . Um kind of uh got to know each othera little bit and uh got familiar with all theequipment and started to discuss um a bit aboutthe project , you know , cost-wise how muchhow much money we had to s Um just want totell you that you have three new requirements ,which is the {disfmarker} The first one{vocalsound} is that um uh the company'sdecided that teletext is outdated uh because ofhow popular the internet is . Nobody uses


Marketing: Hello .Project Manager: {gap} .{gap} .Marketing: Yes , I made it . English fromnow on {vocalsound} . {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} {gap} .{vocalsound}Marketing: Drawing or{disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah just testing.Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Mm ? English.Industrial Designer: Just kidding .ProjectManager: {gap} .Industrial Designer: Soannoying .Project Manager: Break is over.Marketing: Ooh it works .Project Manager:Whoo .Marketing: {vocalsound} Spicy .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Spicy .Marketing: Whereare are all the other presentations ?IndustrialDesigner: I just put it in the in the shared folderso it should be {disfmarker}Marketing: Theconceptual or {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:yeah I think so . Yeah , conceptual design . Whator whatever does it {disfmarker}Marketing: Ah .Because I see only my own presentation{vocalsound} {gap}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: No no no , can


Grad H: stGrad F: So we 're on .Grad H: Yeah .That 's better .Grad F: And , {comment}somewhere is my agenda . I think the mostimportant thing is Morgan wanted to talk about ,uh , the ARPA {pause} demo .Professor D: Well ,so , here 's the thing . Um , why don't we s againstart off with {disfmarker} with , uh , Yeah , I 'llget it . I 'll get the door . Um , I think we want tostart off with the agenda . And then , given that ,uh , Liz and Andreas are gonna be {pause} ten ,fifteen minutes late , we can try to figure outwhat we can do most effectively without themhere . So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So{disfmarker} so , one thing is , yeah , talk aboutdemo ,Grad F: OK . So , uh {disfmarker} uh ,IBM transcription status ,Professor D: IBMtranscription . Uh , what else ?Grad F: ProfessorD:  What 's SmartKom ? SmartKom ?Grad F: Uh, we wanna talk about if w if we wanna add thedata to the mar Meeting Recorder corpus .PhD E:The data . The data which we are collecting here.Professor D: What {disfmarker} what


Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: So ,ProjectManager: So , uh now {vocalsound}Marketing:Hi Christa . {vocalsound}Project Manager: it'sthe {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Hi Sammy .{vocalsound} It's the detail design meeting , sowe're going {disfmarker} last meeting . So um ,first uh Mark and Rama are going to present uhthe prototype . Uh then uh Sammy will proposesome uh crite cr criteria to evaluate thisprototype . Then , w we {disfmarker}{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}{vocalsound} Yes . {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} Yes . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} And then we going to dosome finance to see if uh it is uh feasibleUserInterface: And chocolate ? {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} and uh at the end wewill we will um evaluate ourself as a team .{vocalsound} And that's all . Okay . So first ,{vocalsound} let's uh see the prototype.Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: Yeah.Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial


Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Areyou sure I got it all {disfmarker} head's kindasmall .User Interface: How're we placed in termsof the {disfmarker}Marketing: Okay . {gap}UserInterface: alright .Marketing: We're okay?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Guess Ishould probably try to sit up straight .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Likethat ? Okay , cool .Marketing: We're good?Industrial Designer: Oh , I think mine's fallenoff .User Interface: It fell {disfmarker} That'swhy .Marketing: I guess it's gonna be hard todrink coffee .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: Mm .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: Uh okay .UserInterface: Ah .Project Manager: Okay ?{vocalsound} Right , so I'm just gonna start thisPowerPoint real quick . Yeah , PowerPoint.Industrial Designer: Wow .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: Very official .ProjectManager: Yeah , well , you know , {vocalsound}{vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}


The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota(NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)): We'll call thismeeting to order. Welcome to the fifth meetingof the House of Commons Special Committee onthe COVID-19 Pandemic.  Pursuant to the orderpassed on Monday, April20, the committee ismeeting today to consider ministerialannouncements, to allow members of thecommittee to present petitions, and to questionministers, including the Prime Minister, about theCOVID-19 pandemic. Tomorrow, May8,Dr.AndreaMcCrady, Dominion Carillonneur, willgive a special recital to mark the 75thanniversary of Victory in Europe Day. Victory inEurope Day, VE Day, commemorates the formalacceptance of Germany's surrender by alliedforces at the end of the Second World War. Whilethe pandemic prevents us from gathering tocelebrate in person, tomorrow at noon the voiceof our nation will ring out in remembrance of thismilestone in our history. Today's meeting istaking place by video conference. The


Project Manager: Right w welcome to the thefirst meeting of uh Real Reaction's uh umdevelopment meetings for our our new televisionremote control . Uh this follows our verysuccessful entry into the the consumer marketover the last year or so um which we want to tobuild on , taking advantage of the uh the thelatest developments in in technology and the uhthe latest uh {vocalsound} uh feelings in inconsumer design and and demand and uh wewant to make this the the very best product ththat's possible for everybody , uh one thateverybody wants , uh at a good price for theconsumer and at a good price for the company .Uh and to that end we need all to work togetheruh to do that . Um and uh b in no particularorder because ev everybody is uh {vocalsound}just as vital to this projectMarketing: Mm.Project Manager: um {vocalsound} I'll just goround th the table , Andrew , marketing , um mKendra with the uh um {disfmarker} designingthe the the User Interface uh uh and Kate with


Project Manager: Okay , well I think we're readyto begin . Right , my name's Adam Duguid ,we're here because of real reaction , um , wehave in the groupMarketing: Oh , EbenezerAdemesoye . Would you like me to spell that?Project Manager: Um , yeah ,Marketing:SProject Manager: go for it mate .Marketing: Um, N_E_Z_Project Manager: N_ E_ Z_ .Marketing:E_R_ .Project Manager: Ebenezer . And your roleis ?Marketing: I'm the Marketing Expert .ProjectManager: You're the Marketing Expert , okay .Next we have ?Industrial Designer: TarikRahman . T_A_R_I_K_ .Project Manager: T_ R_I_ K_ . And your role in this is ?IndustrialDesigner: Industrial Designer .Project Manager:Industrial Designer . And , lastly we have ?UserInterface: Uh , Dave Cochrane .Project Manager:And you're going to be the User Interface ,UserInterface: User Interface Defin Designer , yes.Project Manager: is it ? Designer . Okay . Right .This is the agenda for today's meeting . As youcan see , w opening , acquaintance , tool training


Project Manager: All set ? Okay . Cool . Right .So um basically I'm just gonna go over realquickly um some news I've just got from theboard on how we're supposed to do with this um{vocalsound} remote control . And then I'mgonna turn over to you guys to make briefpresentations um on what you've found and thenwe'll have a bit of discussion . So basically uhwhat I've just found out from the board I dunnoif you guys got this email as well but it needs tobe television only . So no {disfmarker} we're notdoing D_V_D_ , we're not doing anything else,Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: it's justgonna be a television remote . {vocalsound} Umit also needs to have the company coloursincluded in it .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Umso that's red and black . And it has to have theslogan , case you guys forget the slogan it's , weput fashion in electronics . Um and no teletext .I'm not sure what teletext is but I'm assumingyou guys do , so we don't wanna include that um


Project Manager: Welcome back .IndustrialDesigner: I'm sorry to be late .Project Manager:Welcome back everybody .User Interface: Yeah .Thanks .Project Manager: So this meetingagenda will be the detailed design meeting . Anduh opening and uh P_M_s {gap} of the meetminutes , uh prototype presentation from uhChristine and uh Agnes .Industrial Designer:Agnes , yes .Project Manager: Yes and uhevaluation criteria . The finance , it's uh from myside , from the management , and uh productionevaluation . Then uh closing . So we have fortyminutes to discuss and uh finalise and close theproduct and project and to move further , okay ,so {disfmarker} Okay , let's talk about uh maybefirst uh for the prototype .User Interface: Mm ,okay .Project Manager: So I handle to{disfmarker}User Interface: I've done apresentation , but it pretty much covers workthat we've both done , so if I'm missing anything, Christine can just correct me .Project Manager:So shall I go to {disfmarker} sorry .Industrial


Project Manager: Well hi everyone again .UserInterface: Hello .Industrial Designer: Hello.Marketing: HelloProject Manager: Um{vocalsound} like before we uh {disfmarker} Ihave to redo the meetings from {vocalsound}{disfmarker} n th the minutes from the lastmeetingMarketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager:and so here we go . Uh it was discussed in thelast meeting uh which was opened by thepresentation from the interface um designer{vocalsound} that uh looks would be veryimportant on this new remoteUser Interface:Designer . {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: and um it is tosend messages of course to the T_V_ . It shouldhave nine channel buttons , a next button ,volume buttons , subtitle buttons , switch tocontrol features , colour contrast , sharpnessetcetera . It should have a memory switch , amute button in case the telephone rings orsomething . Uh speech recognition is one of hervery f favourite personal uh features she would


Industrial Designer: Now what .Project Manager:'Kay , hello everybody . Uh , I guess you all knowwhat is it about , you all received the email , Iguess . Uh , we are actually doing this meetingto start a new project which is about designing aremote control . So I'm going to be the projectmanager of this uh project . And uh so I'm{disfmarker} present myself . I'm FabienCardinaux and uh I I guess you can presentyourself . So I dunno , you can starts .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:Okay , so my name is Petre {gap} . You can callme Petre {gap} , or Peter if you like . I don'tcare {gap} .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing:Uh my name's Bob Mor .Project Manager: Andyou are ? In the project ?Industrial Designer: Uh, in the project I'm supposed to be the technic.Marketing: Oh , sorry .Project Manager:{gap}Marketing: 'Kay . So my name's Bob Morris. I'm the Marketing Expert for this project.Industrial Designer: Bob ,Marketing: Bob yeah.Industrial Designer: okay .User Interface: My


PhD E: Yeah .Professor B: Um , so . If we can't ,we can't . But uh we 're gonna try to make thisan abbreviated meeting cuz the {disfmarker} thenext {disfmarker} next occupants were pushingfor it , so . Um . So . Agenda is {disfmarker}according to this , is transcription status , DARPAdemos XML tools , disks , backups , et ceteraandGrad H: Does anyone have anything to{pause} add to the agenda ?Professor B: OK .Should we just go in order ? Transcription status? Who 's {disfmarker} that 's probably you.Postdoc A: I can do that quickly . Um I hiredseveral more transcribers , They 're makinggreat progress .Professor B: Seven ?Postdoc A:Seve - several , several .Professor B: Oh.Postdoc A: And uh {disfmarker} and uh , uh I've been uh finishing up the uh double checking .I hoped to have had that done by today but it 'sgonna take one more week .Grad H: UmPhD D: IgGrad H: as a somewhat segue into the nexttopic , um could I get a hold of uh the data evenif it 's not really corrected yet just so I can get


Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone.Welcome to the Children, Young People andEducation Committee this morning. We'vereceived no apologies for absence. Can I ask ifthere are any declarations of interest fromMembers, please? No. Okay, thank you. Item 2this morning is the Children (Abolition of Defenceof Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill: Stage 2proceedings. I'm pleased to welcome JulieMorgan AM, Deputy Minister for Health andSocial Services; Karen Cornish, deputy director,children and families division at WelshGovernment; and Emma Gammon, lawyer forWelsh Government. Thank you for attending thismorning and welcome to the committee. I'm justgoing to run through the procedures that we'regoing to follow now. As I said, the purpose of themeeting is to undertake Stage 2 proceedings onthe Children (Abolition of Defence of ReasonablePunishment) (Wales) Bill. For these proceedings,Members should have copies of the marshalledlist of amendments, the groupings of the


Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay . Oh I totally{disfmarker} Yeah 'cause I moved it .{vocalsound} 'S put it over here . Then we don'thave to worry about it .User Interface:{vocalsound} Ready for this ?Project Manager:All set ? Cool . Alright , it is PowerPoint time .I've done more PowerPoints in this particularexperiment than I've ever done in my life beforethis experiment {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Yeah {vocalsound}.Project Manager: which is kind of fun .UserInterface: {vocalsound} Oh man .{vocalsound}Project Manager: So uh here wehave our detailed design meeting where we willum look at the prototype and um {vocalsound}{disfmarker} right so um , I finally figured outwhat this whole second bullet point is about inmy {disfmarker} that my coach was sending tome . It means I'm supposed to read the minutesfrom the previous meeting .Industrial Designer:Oh really ?Project Manager: I think .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay


Grad A: OK , we 're recording .Professor F: Wecan say the word " zero " all we want ,PhD G: I'm doing someProfessor F: but just{disfmarker}PhD G: square brackets , coffeesipping , square brackets .PhD B: That 's notallowed , I think .Postdoc C: Cur - curly brackets.Grad E: Is that voiced or unvoiced ?Grad A:Curly brackets .PhD B: Curly brackets .ProfessorF: Curly brackets .Grad A: Right .PhD B: Oops.Professor F: Well , correction for transcribers.PhD G: Mmm ! {comment} {vocalsound} Gar -darn !Professor F: Yeah .Postdoc C: Channel two.Grad A: Do we use square brackets for anything?Postdoc C: Yeah . Uh {disfmarker}Grad E:These poor transcribers .Professor F: uPostdocC: Not ri not right now . I mean {disfmarker} No.PhD D: There 's gonna be some zeros from thismorning 's meeting because I noticedthatProfessor F: uPhD D: Barry , I think maybeyou turned your mike off before the digits were{disfmarker} Oh , was it during digits ? Oh , so itdoesn't matter .Professor F: Yeah .Grad A: It 's


The Acting Chair (Mr. Bruce Stanton (SimcoeNorth, CPC)): Honourable members, I call thismeeting to order. Welcome to the 15thmeetingof the House of Commons Special Committee onthe COVID-19 Pandemic. This will be a hybridmeeting. Members will be participating via videoconference or in person.  I will remind you thatin order to avoid issues with sound, membersparticipating in person should not also beconnecting by video conference. In order toensure that those joining the meeting via videoconference can be seen and heard by those inthe chamber, two screens have been set up hereon either side of the Speaker's chair, andmembers in the chamber can listen to the flooraudio or to interpretation using the earpieces ontheir desks. Before speaking, please wait until Irecognize you by name and please direct yourremarks through the chair. For those joining byvideo conference, I'd like to remind you to leaveyour microphones on mute when you are notspeaking. Also, please note that if you want to


Project Manager: So we come to the thirdmeetings . I have {gap} good .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um soin the last meeting we have discussed thefunctional design and now we will talk about theconceptual design . So we will talk about somespecific details .Industrial Designer: Okay so Ithink I will do my presentation on thecomponents concept so can you please uh openuh {disfmarker} I'm participant two .ProjectManager: This {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:Components design .Project Manager:{gap}Industrial Designer: Okay so uh the firstthing uh I have done is to to made a reviewtogether with the uh manufactural uhdepartment and have which components was uhavailable to build a remote control . So forenergy sources we have we have to choosebetween the solar energy , hand dynamo and uhkinetic um well uh kinetic uh technique{vocalsound} to to store the energy .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Marketing:


Project Manager: Okay , welcome to the detaileddesign meeting . Again , I'm gonna take minutes. Oh , we're gonna have a prototype presentationfirst .User Interface: {gap}Project Manager: Uh ,who's gonna give the prototype presentation ?You two guys ? Okay . Go ahead .IndustrialDesigner: Yes . {vocalsound} {gap}UserInterface: {gap} .Marketing: {vocalsound}{vocalsound} {gap} . {vocalsound}UserInterface: {gap} coffee .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: 'Kay , we'vemade a prototype . Um , we've got uh{vocalsound} uh our aspects from the lastmeeting . Uh , especially we looked at the form ,material and the colour . Um , we've uh drawnhere the p prototype . The logo is uh is uh{vocalsound} is pretty uh {vocalsound} obviousto see on the on the remote control ,UserInterface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: but it is necessary when you want tobuild your uh company f to a level higher . Um ,{vocalsound} our interface elements , there are


Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: So in last meeting we have discussedthe conceptual design and we asked you toprepare a prototype for the for the remotecontrol .User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} So{gap} . {vocalsound} So let's see the{disfmarker} what did you prepare .UserInterface: Yeah , so can you go out to the sharedfolder ? Mm the shared folder .Project Manager:Sh share folder for th your presentation ?UserInterface: Yes . We have a presentation .ProjectManager: Because I have here{disfmarker}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Uh{disfmarker} {gap} So I got the participant uhthree . W uh {vocalsound} . Three . It's the finaldesign , yeah .Project Manager: Okay just one{gap} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound} S so so I discussed withGuillaume .Industrial Designer: Mm .


Project Manager: So welcome . The first kick-offmeeting . What shall we do ? First the opening ,then the rest . What are we going to do . We mhave to make a new remote control .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Project Manager: It hasto be original , trendy and user-friendly . So wewill get back th on that . First we have to make afunctional design . After that we have to make aconceptual design , and then after that a detaileddesign . So we'll discuss that later . First we havea look at {gap} . So first to {disfmarker} wehave to make a small painting . What have{disfmarker} do we have to do . First you cansave the documents . We have to do that everytime we make something . You can print it . No .And we have to use {vocalsound} the pen andthe eraser . So {disfmarker} Now . We all haveto use this one .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: You have to makeyour own favourite animal .Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: So I'll make anexample .Marketing: Yep .Project Manager: First


Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone.Welcome to the Children, Young People andEducation Committee. We've received apologiesfor absence from Suzy Davies, and I'm verypleased to welcome Angela Burns, who issubstituting for Suzy this morning. We've alsoreceived apologies from Dawn Bowden. Can Ialso welcome Siân Gwenllian to the meeting?Siân is joining us from her constituency office viavideo-conference. Can I ask Members if they'vegot any declarations of interest, please?Hefin.Hefin David AM: Apologies. I'm currentlyregistered as an associate lecturer at CardiffMetropolitan University, although I haven't doneany work for them for some time.Lynne NeagleAM: Okay. Thank you very much. We'll move on,then, to item 2 this morning, which is ourevidence session on the higher education newacademic year allocations. I'm very pleased towelcome David Blaney, who is chief executive ofthe Higher Education Funding Council for Wales,and Bethan Owen, who is deputy chief executive


Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay.Marketing: {gap} .Project Manager: Right .Okay . Alright . Is everyone here ?{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yep .{vocalsound}User Interface: Yep .ProjectManager: Okay . This is our conceptual designmeeting . And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I'lljust take a few minutes and uh go through theprevious minutes . Um then each of you will haveyour presentation , um and then we will need tomake a decision on the concept for the remotecontrol . And then we'll have uh forty minutes forfinishing up . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I'llgo through the mee through the minutes first .Um , we just refreshed our our uh goal of makingthe finest remote control available .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} Um we decided that , or we knowthat we need to use company colours , companylogo . Um {vocalsound} and our MarketingExpert uh gave us some i uh information frominterviews with a hundred different remote users


User Interface: Hmm .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Good morningeverybody .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Good morning . {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Goodmorning .Marketing: Good morning .ProjectManager: So , we are asked to to make uh uh anew remote control for television . And thecharacteristics of this new remote control shouldbe original and trendy and of course user userfriendly . So people can {gap} can use it withoutany any problem .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {gap} .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I don'tknow .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:Well , I think we should set the the points to todrive the project and uhUser Interface: Mm . Bdid you send us an email about this ?ProjectManager: Uh , not yet ,User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer:


Postdoc A: OK .Grad G: How aboutchannelProfessor C: Yeah , go ahead .Grad E:We 're recording .Grad G: Alright .Professor C:Alright , and no crash .Postdoc A: Hmm .Grad E:I pre - crashed it .Professor C: Yeah .PhD F: Pre -crashed !PhD D: It never crashes on me .Grad E:I think it 's actually {disfmarker}PhD D: What is{disfmarker} what is that ?Grad E: it depends onif the temp files are there or not , that{disfmarker} at least that 's my current workinghypothesis ,PhD D: Ah .Grad E: that I think whathappens is it tries to clear the temp files and ifthey 're too big , it crashes .PhD D: Ah .PhD B:When the power went out the other day and Irestarted it , it crashed the first time .Grad E: Oh, that 's right .PhD B: After the power outPhD D:So then there would be no temp files .ProfessorC: Yeah .PhD D: OK . {comment} Hmm .Grad E:Uh , no , it doesn't {disfmarker} it doesn't clearthose necessarily ,PhD D: Oh wait {disfmarker}It {disfmarker} it doesn't clear them , OK .GradE: so .Professor C: Hmm , no connection .Grad


Professor C: OK . So uh , he 's not here ,PhD D:So .Professor C: so you get to {disfmarker}PhDD: Yeah , I will try to explain the thing that I didthis {disfmarker} this week {disfmarker} duringthis week .Professor C: Yeah .PhD D: Well eh youknow that I work {disfmarker} I begin to workwith a new feature to detect voice - unvoice .PhDE: Mm - hmm .PhD D: What I trying two MLP to{disfmarker} to the {disfmarker} with this newfeature and the fifteen feature uh from the ehbus base systemPhD E: The {disfmarker} themel cepstrum ?PhD D: No , satly the mes the MelCepstrum , the new base system {disfmarker}the new base system .PhD E: Oh the{disfmarker}PhD D: Yeah , we {disfmarker}PhDE: OK , the Aurora system .PhD D: yeah theAurora system with the new filter , VAD orsomething like that .PhD E: OK .PhD D: And I 'mtrying two MLP , one one that only have t threeoutput , voice , unvoice , and silence ,ProfessorC: Mm - hmm .PhD D: and other one that havefifty - six output . The probabilities of the


Project Manager: Okay . Hi Team . Hope you hada good lunch .Marketing: {gap}Project Manager:{vocalsound} Okay we're back for theconceptual design meeting . Um let's get started. 'Kay , here is the agenda for today's meeting .Um we're gonna open it and I'm gonna keep theminutes as Project Manager . We're gonna havethree presentations , one from each of you again. And then we are going to come to decision onthe remote control concepts and then we'regonna close it up . And we have forty minutesagain . 'Kay , and just to reiterate um after thismeeting the team will reach a decision on theconcepts of the remote control . Okay . Let's goahead and start off with your presentations .Who would like to go first ?Industrial Designer:Just trying to move mine right now .ProjectManager: Okay . Um Courtney would you mindstarting us off ?Marketing: Yeah {gap} .ProjectManager: Okay . Trend watching ? 'Kay.Marketing: Yeah . Okay , so trend watching . Uhsince we do put the fashion in electronics , it is


Marketing: {vocalsound} Hello .{vocalsound}Project Manager: {gap}Marketing:{vocalsound} Dang it .Project Manager:{vocalsound} And then you have to place yourlaptop exactly on the marked spot .Marketing:Alright .User Interface: {gap}Project Manager:It's important to place your laptop exactly on themarked spot over here .User Interface: Okay .No , that's okay . Joost , your mouse .Marketing:What ?User Interface: No mouse needed?Marketing: I've got a touch-pad .User Interface:Mm .Marketing: Do you know how how I canwake it up ?User Interface: A touch-pad?Marketing: No , my laptop .User Interface: Slapit .Marketing: {vocalsound} You with yourbrilliant ideas . I don't know if I can touch thepower button . Do you know how how I can wakeit up ?User Interface: Is {disfmarker}ProjectManager: No . Yeah . Try the power button.Marketing: Oh .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: Come on , move it .UserInterface: Um {disfmarker}Marketing: Now ,


User Interface: Oops .Project Manager: So , helloeveryone . {vocalsound} We're here to have akick-off meeting for the design of a {disfmarker}f for the beginning of new project um{vocalsound} uh remote control for the designfor a new remote control {vocalsound} . I'm theProject Manager Christa Pavlov and{vocalsound} okay let's begin .{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} So I'm first going to doan opening then we get used to one anothersand we speak about this tool we're going todesign and try to make a project plan , somediscussion and then we talk of uh the nextmeeting . So um we want to to do a new remotecontrol . It has to be original , trendy and userfriendly .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Um I think the important points wehave to t talk about are uh it's functional design ,it's conceptual design , and desail detailed design. {gap} and for that we're going um all to workindividually and then have meeting during the


User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Okay ,almost there .Project Manager: Okay . We'll staI'll use the PowerPoint , I guess . How was that ,was that fun ?User Interface: Mm . Very fun.Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Okay . Uh oh I'veforgotten to mail you the minutes , but I will do.Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing: Hmm.Project Manager: {vocalsound} Upsidaisy .{vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Um we {disfmarker}Marketing: E excuse me Iforgot myProject Manager: Yeah .Marketing:copy . {gap}Project Manager: Alright , okay ,yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: He's gonna get his pen .User Interface:Oh right . Okay .Project Manager: Um{vocalsound} Will you guys first with yourprototype um before we get to the good news?Industrial Designer: Yeah , there's good news?Project Manager: Uh {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Oh .UserInterface: Mm .Project Manager: we have budget


Professor A: We 're going ? OK . Sh - Close yourdoor on {disfmarker} door on the way out ?GradB: OK . Thanks .Professor A: Thanks .Grad B: Oh.Professor A: Yeah . Probably wanna get thisother door , too . OK . So . Um . {vocalsound}{vocalsound} What are we talking about today?PhD E: Uh , well , first there are perhaps theseuh Meeting Recorder digits that we tested.Professor A: Oh , yeah . That was kind of uhinteresting .PhD E: So .Professor A: The{disfmarker} both the uh {disfmarker}{vocalsound} the SRI System and the othPhD E:Um .Professor A: And for one thing that{disfmarker} that sure shows the {vocalsound}difference between having a lot of uh trainingdata {vocalsound} or not ,PhD E: Of data ? Yeah.Professor A: uh , the uh {disfmarker}{vocalsound} The best kind of number we haveon the English uh {disfmarker} on nearmicrophone only is {disfmarker} is uh three orfour percent .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor A:And uh it 's significantly better than that , using


User Interface: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}UserInterface: Mm uh .Marketing: {vocalsound}{gap} We're the first .User Interface: Mm .We're the first ones . {vocalsound}Marketing:Marketing Expert , yes .Project Manager: Mm.Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Soyou found your spots .Marketing: Yes .UserInterface: {vocalsound} Move to the meetingroom . {vocalsound}Marketing: Bling bling .{vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: Okay.Marketing: Right . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Okay .Marketing: Uh {vocalsound}where has my screen gone ?Industrial Designer:Hi .User Interface: Hello , good day .{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Oh yeah , we have to talk in English,Marketing: Hmm .Industrial Designer: huh .UserInterface: Yep .Marketing: Yeah . My screen isgone .Project Manager: It's called black .{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Oh .UserInterface: Kick-off meeting , wow . It's uh looks


Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone.Welcome to the Children, Young People andEducation Committee. We've received noapologies, although Dawn Bowden is runninglate. I'll take this opportunity to welcome Dawnformally to the committee but also to place onrecord our thanks to John Griffiths for his serviceto the committee. Are there any declarations ofinterest, please? No. Okay. Item 2, then, thismorning is a scrutiny session with a focus onhigher and further education. I'm very pleased towelcome Kirsty Williams, Cabinet Secretary forEducation, Eluned Morgan, Minister for WelshLanguage and Lifelong Learning, and Huw Morris,who is the group director of skills, highereducation and lifelong learning. Thank you all foryour attendance this morning. If you're okaywith it, we'll go straight into questions. The firstquestions are from Suzy Davies.Suzy Davies AM:Thank you, Chair. If we can just start withteacher training and teacher training forsecondary school teachers in particular,


Project Manager: {vocalsound} Good to see youall again . Let's see if that comes up . This is ourfunctional design meeting . Um . Just a sec whilemy PowerPoint comes up . Et voila . Okay . Mmum we put the fashion in electronics . Let's start. Okay , our agenda today um {disfmarker} justcheck the time , it's twelve thirteen . Um . I'mgonna do an opening , talk about um{disfmarker} did you all get the minutes ? Ie-mailed them to you . I'm also putting 'em{disfmarker} them in the shared folder .UserInterface: Yep .Project Manager: So um then I{disfmarker} we'll talk about our generalobjectivesIndustrial Designer: Right .ProjectManager: and have your three presentations .Um I'll talk about the new project requirementsI've just received , and then we have to make adecision on our remote control functions . Finallywe'll just close . We're starting this meeting atapproximately twelve thirteen and we have fortyminutes . So {disfmarker} First of all thefunctional design objectives . Uh we need to


Professor B: Are we on ? We 're on . OK .PhD E:Is it on ?PhD D: Yeah .Professor B: Yeah . OK,PhD D: One , two {disfmarker} u OK .PhD A:Why is it so cold in here ?Professor B: so , uh ,we haven't sent around the agenda . So , i uh ,any agenda items anybody has , wants to talkabout , what 's going on ?Postdoc G: I c I couldtalk about the meeting .Grad H: Does everyone{disfmarker} has everyone met Don ?Postdoc G:Yeah .Professor B: It 's on ?PhD C: Now , yeah.PhD D: Yeah .Grad H: Yeah ? OK .PhD D: Yeah.Grad F: Hello .Professor B: OK , agenda itemone ,PhD D: We went {disfmarker}Grad F: Yeah.Professor B: introduce Don . OK , we did that .Uh {disfmarker}PhD A: Well , I had a{disfmarker} just a quick question but I knowthere was discussion of it at a previous meetingthat I missed , but just about the {disfmarker}the wish list item of getting good quality close -talking mikes on every speaker .Professor B: OK, so let 's {disfmarker} let 's {disfmarker} So let's just do agenda {pause} building right now .


PhD A: OK , we 're on .Professor C: OK , whatare we talking about today ?PhD B: I don't know. Do you have news from the conference talk ?Uh , that was programmed for yesterday{disfmarker} I guess .Professor C: Uh{disfmarker}PhD D: YesterdayProfessor C: Uh{disfmarker}PhD D: Yesterday morning on videoconference .Professor C: Uh ,PhD B:WellProfessor C: oh , I 'm sorry .Grad E: Oh .Conference call .Professor C: I know{disfmarker} now I know what you 're talkingabout . No , nobody 's told me anything .PhD B:Alright .PhD A: Oh , this was the , uh , talkwhere they were supposed to try to decide{disfmarker}PhD B: To {disfmarker} to decidewhat to do ,PhD A: Ah , right .PhD B: yeah .PhDD: Yeah .Professor C: Yeah . No , that wouldhave been a good thing to find out before thismeeting , that 's . No , I have no {disfmarker} Ihave no idea . Um , Uh , so I mean , let 's{disfmarker} let 's assume for right now that we're just kind of plugging on ahead ,PhD B: Yeah


Project Manager: Think we can first{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Mm .UserInterface: Right it was function F_ eight orsomething .Industrial Designer: ThaUserInterface: This one right there .IndustrialDesigner: Okay .User Interface: Okay .IndustrialDesigner: Who is gonna do a PowerPointpresentation ?User Interface: Think we all {gap}{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: You will as well?User Interface: Huh . Oh I thought we all were.Industrial Designer: Okay .User Interface: Yeah, I have one too , okay .Project Manager: {gap}.User Interface: SIndustrial Designer: Yep.Marketing: {gap} .User Interface: Whoops Iforgot to put the thing on {vocalsound}{disfmarker}Project Manager: Right . I justwanna {disfmarker} 'cause basically I can't reI've {disfmarker} really crap at rememberingeveryone's name so I just wanna {disfmarker}rather than going uh Miss Marketing and Missthis and Miss that {vocalsound} wanted to knowyour names again .User Interface: Okay


Grad B: Sorry . Mental {disfmarker} mentalPalm Pilot . Right . Hence {pause} no problem.Grad F: Let 's see . So . What ? I 'm supposed tobe on channel five ? Her . Nope . Doesn't seemto be ,Grad B: Hello {pause} I 'm channel one.Grad F: yeah .Grad D: Grad E: What does yourthing say on the back ?Grad D: Testing .Grad F:Nnn , five . Alright , I 'm five .Grad D: Sibilance .Sibilance . {comment} {pause} Three , three . Iam three .Grad B: Eh .Grad D: See , thatmatches the seat up there . So .Grad F: Yeah ,well , I g guess {pause} it 's coming up then , or{disfmarker}Grad D: Cuz it 's {disfmarker} Thatstarts counting from zero and these startcounting from one . Ergo , the classic off - by -one error .Grad B: But mine is correct .Grad D:Is it ?Grad E: No .Grad B: It 's one . Channel one.Grad D: Your mike {pause} number {pause} iswhat we 're tGrad E: Look at the back .Grad B:Oh , oh , oh ! Oh .Grad D: Ho !Grad B: So{disfmarker}Grad D: I 've bested you again ,Nancy .Grad B: But your p No , but the paper 's


Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay ? Goodafternoon . Hope you have good lunch .UserInterface: Hi .Industrial Designer: Afternoon .Yeah , we had falafel .Project Manager: Oh . Nice. And you ?User Interface: Uh , yes , I hadsomething similar but non-vegetarian .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Okay . So today is umour third meeting . It will be about theconceptual design {vocalsound} uh . If I comeback to uh the minutes of the last meetings um .We decided not to go for speech recognitiontechnologies because of some reasons and weare not decided about u the use of L_C_D_screen on on the remote control because of costs. So maybe we cou wi will be able to clarify thisthis question to today . Uh at the end of themeeting we should take decision on that point .So I hope uh that your respective prpresentations uh will help us . So each of youhave some presentatio presentation to performum who starts ?Marketing: Okay , {gap} .ProjectManager: So marketing .Marketing:


Project Manager: So we are here to talk aboutfunctional design . Now hopefully we've all got abetter idea from {vocalsound} {disfmarker}than we did f leaving the last meeting as to whatit is we are up to now . So here's an agenda . UhI'll open . Um you should know that I'll be takingminutes during all the meetings , as I wasstruggling to our last time uh and that'll beeasier for me now because I'm not actuallygiving the whole presentation . Uh the additionalpoints are just the stuff that we sent and that Iforwarded on from upper management having afew bright ideas to make our lives painful.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Project Manager: Um {vocalsound}now {vocalsound} you can all give yourpresentations . We can talk about therequirements and hopefully come to somedecisions . {vocalsound} Right , forty minutesfor this meeting , so a bit more time than the lastone . Here's the additional points I just wantedto put those in there to see if you guys had any


Grad E: As usual .Grad B: Yes . Whew ! I almostforgot {pause} about the meeting . I woke uptwenty minutes ago , thinking , what did I forget?Grad D: It 's great how the br brain sort of doesthat .Grad E: Something 's not right here .GradB: Internal alarms .Grad D: OK . So the news forme is A , my forthcoming travel plansGrad B: Yes.Grad D: in two weeks from today ? Yeah ? Moreor less ? I 'll be off to Sicily and Germany for acouple , three days .Grad B: Now what are ywhat are you doing there ? I forgot ?Grad D: OK, I 'm flying to Sicily basically to drop off Simonthere with his grandparents . And then I 'm flyingto Germany t to go to a MOKU - Treffen which isthe meeting of all the module - responsiblepeople in SmartKom ,Grad B: Mmm .Grad D: and, represent ICI and myself I guess there . Andum . That 's the mmm actual reason . And then I'm also going up to EML for a day , and then I 'mgoing to {vocalsound} meet the very big boss ,Wolfgang Walster , in Saarbruecken and theSystem system integration people in


Project Manager: Wait for the marketing directoractually , so . Anyways . Uh . See , shall we wait? I'm not sure if he's late or delayed or whatever, so I'm gonna start soon , we have now{disfmarker} don't have much time anyway.User Interface: Oh , there he is .IndustrialDesigner: Okay ,Marketing: Yes .ProjectManager: There you are ,Industrial Designer: we{disfmarker}Marketing: Sorry ,Project Manager:okay .Marketing: a little bit of pl little problemwith computer .Project Manager: Uh no problem. We're about to start , so have a seat . Okay ,welcome again .Marketing: {vocalsound} {gap}.Project Manager: Today , functional designphase . I'll take you over the minutes of last lastmeeting . Okay , that was just to get to knoweach other ,Marketing: Uh .Project Manager:have a little thoughts on what your vision is and{disfmarker} on this project , so {disfmarker} Iput the minutes on the {disfmarker} I made onthe on the p the the project share , so if youwanna review them , they're there . I will do so


Marketing: Did you get my email with the slides? Ah . Tricky .Industrial Designer: I guess I haveto change the pen otherwise . Will be completelydifferent .Marketing: Dunno . Maybe they'resupposed {disfmarker} the pen's supposed to goover the seats . Might be seat floor rather thanperson . Yeah , put it back .Industrial Designer:Yeah . And do you think {vocalsound} it's {gap}.Marketing: Yep {vocalsound} . Yeah .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Okay .Marketing: Jo'smaking faces at me . {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .Project Manager: So . Matthewis uh late again .Marketing: Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Probably an importantman . Um . So well it is important for him to behere uh .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah.Project Manager: He he he{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: So what canyou {disfmarker} {gap} ?Project Manager: Youdid work together didn't you ?IndustrialDesigner: Yeah we will {disfmarker} yeah , so Iwill be able to to summarize uh our meeting


The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota(NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)): I call the meetingto order. Welcome to the seventh meeting of theSpecial Committee on the COVID-19 Pandemic.Please note that today's proceedings will betelevised in the same way as a typical sitting ofthe House. We will proceed to ministerialannouncements. I understand that there are noministerial announcements. That's confirmed.We will now proceed to presenting petitions for aperiod not exceeding 15minutes. I would like toremind members that any petition presentedduring a meeting of the special committee musthave already been certified by the clerk ofpetitions. Once the petition is presented, themember is asked to bring it here to the Table.Mr.Manly is the first one to be allowed to presenta petition.Mr. Paul Manly (NanaimoLadysmith,GP): Thank you, Mr. Chair. I rise today topresent a petition that has many signatures fromconstituents in NanaimoLadysmith. They'recalling for a ban on cosmetic testing using


Grad E: I guess .Grad A: OK , we 're on . So justmake sure that th your wireless mike is on , ifyou 're wearing a wireless .Grad E: Check one .Check one .Grad A: And you should be able tosee which one {disfmarker} which one you 're onby , uh , watching the little bars change .Grad B:So , which is my bar ? Mah ! Number one .GradA: Yep .Grad E: Sibilance . Sibilance .Grad A: So, actually , if you guys wanna go ahead and readdigits now , as long as you 've signed theconsent form , that 's alright .Grad E: Are wesupposed to read digits at the same time ?GradA: No . No .Grad E: Oh , OK .Grad A: Eachindividually . We 're talking about doing all at thesame time but I think cognitively that would bereally difficult . {vocalsound} To try to read themwhile everyone else is .Grad E: Everyone wouldneed extreme focus .Grad A: So , when you 'rereading the digit strings , the first thing to do isjust say which transcript you 're on .Professor C:Other way . We m We may wind up with ver We{disfmarker} we may need versions of all this


Industrial Designer: Oops That's as far as it goes{vocalsound} .Project Manager: Hi guys uh goodmorning everybody here . And uh I want tointroduce myself , uh my name is uh ShridaDaseri and uh I'm a project manager for this newproject which we are going to discuss now . So Iwant to introduce first of all uh the names andthe colleagues here . And what you're uhdrawing ?User Interface: {vocalsound} Uh suremy name is Agnes and I'm an user {disfmarker}usability user interface designer .Marketing:{vocalsound} My name is Ed and I do accounting.Project Manager: Uh how you spell your nameuh ?Marketing: E_D_ .Project Manager: E_D_okay .Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: And?Industrial Designer: Do you also do marketing?Marketing: {vocalsound} No {vocalsound}.Project Manager: So only accounting ? Okay.Marketing: Accounting , yes .Project Manager:And ?Industrial Designer: And I'm Christine,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer:and my role in this uh scenario is to be the


PhD A: It 's not very significant .Professor B: Uh, channel one . Yes .Grad D: Channel three.Professor B: OK .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Grad D:Channel three .PhD A: TaGrad D: Channel three .Alright .Professor B: OK , did you solve speechrecognition last week ?Grad E: Almost .ProfessorB: Alright ! Let 's do image processing .PhD C:Yes , again .PhD A: Great .PhD C: We did it again, Morgan .Professor B: Alright !Grad E: Doo -doop , doo - doo .PhD A: What 's wrong with{disfmarker} ?Professor B: OK . It 's April fifth .Actually , Hynek should be getting back in townshortly if he isn't already .PhD C: Is he gonnacome here ?Professor B: Uh . Well , we 'll draghim here . I know where he is .PhD C: So whenyou said " in town " , you mean {pause} Oregon.Professor B: U u u u uh , I meant , you know ,this end of the world , yeah , {vocalsound} isreally what I meant ,PhD C: Oh .Grad E: Doo ,doo - doo .Professor B: uh , cuz he 's been inEurope .Grad E: Doo - doo .Professor B: So .PhDC: I have something just fairly brief to report on


Lynne Neagle AM: Good afternoon. Can Iwelcome Members to the virtual meeting of theChildren, Young People and Education Committeethis afternoon? In accordance with StandingOrder 34.19, I've determined that the public areexcluded from the committee's meeting, in orderto protect public health. In accordance withStanding Order 34.21, notice of this decision wasincluded in the agenda for this meeting, whichwas published last Thursday. This meeting is,however, being broadcast live on Senedd.tv, withall participants joining via video-conference. Arecord of proceedings will be published as usual.Aside from the procedural adaptation related toconducting proceedings remotely, all otherStanding Order requirements for committeesremain in place. The meeting is bilingual, andsimultaneous translation from Welsh to English isavailable. Can I remind everyone that themicrophones will be controlled centrally, sothere's no need to turn them on and offindividually? We've received apologies for


Project Manager: So {disfmarker} Hello .{vocalsound}Marketing: Good afternoon . SorryI'm a little late .Project Manager: No problem.Marketing: Got stuck in the traffic .ProjectManager: Okay . {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: That's possible onuh this time of day . Starts at three o'clock . Uh{disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah.Project Manager: Uh , let me see . Our fourthand last meeting . There he is . Yes . Okay thisour last meeting . In this meeting we will discussour final design . And we will do some evaluationabout the , not only the product , but also theproject . And then we're going to close theproject today as well . So after this you will beuh free to go and uh spend all your money .{vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Project Manager: And this uhdesign , detailed design meeting uh we will


Grad A: OK , we 're on .Professor B: Yeah .GradA: So , I think this is gonna be a pretty shortmeeting because I have four agenda items ,three of them were requested by Jane who is notgonna be at the meeting today .  So .{vocalsound} The uh first was transcriptionstatus . Does anyone besides Jane know whatthe transcription status is ?PhD F: Um , sort of , Ido , peripherally .PhD C: Is that English ?PhD F:Um {disfmarker} Well first of all with IBM I got anote from Brian yesterday saying that theyfinally made the tape for the thing that we sentthem a {pause} week or week and a half agoPhDD: That 's our system .Grad A: Ugh !PhD F: andthat it 's gone out to the transcribers andhopefully next week we 'll have the transcriptionback from that .Grad A: C can I have a pen ?PhDF: Um {disfmarker} Jane seems to be ummoving right along on the transcriptions from theICSI side . She 's assigned , I think probably fiveor six m more meetings .PhD C: Yeah , I thinkwe 're up to MR thirteen or something .PhD D:


Project Manager: Okay um , welcome to ourdetailed design meeting . I'm pretty excited .Let's start it's approximately fifteen forty orsomething like that . Okay um the agenda{disfmarker} we're gonna do an opening andthen um I'll talk about the minutes from the lastmeeting , what we d discussed um , then we'llhave the prototype presentation and a look atthe evaluation criteria . We'll look at the financesand finally a {disfmarker} do a productionevaluation and close . So , starting off with theum last {disfmarker} the last one , oh I don'thave it here um , but we talked about energy ,we're gonna use a kinetic battery um , we wantto use a simple chip , because we're not gonnaneed a a shuffle um , we're gonna need a scrollum , we're choosing a latex case w in fruitycolours that's curved and um we're using pushbuttons uh with a supplement of an on-screenmenu . And it sounded like we had set um likeeight or nine buttons , including five pre-setchannels . Okay ? Let's do the look and feel


Grad B: So I guess this is more or less now justto get you up to date , Johno . This is what , uh,Grad C: This is a meeting for me .Grad B: um ,Eva , Bhaskara , and I did .Grad D: Did you addmore stuff to it ? {pause} later ?Grad B: Um .Why ?Grad D: Um . I don't know . There were ,like , the {disfmarker} you know , @ @ and allthat stuff . But . I thought you {disfmarker} yousaid you were adding stuffGrad B: Uh , no .GradD: but {pause} I don't know .Grad B: This is{disfmarker} Um , Ha ! Very nice . Um , so wethought that , {vocalsound} We can write up uh, an element , and {disfmarker} for each of thesituation nodes that we observed in the Bayes -net ? So . What 's the situation like at the entitythat is mentioned ? if we know anything about it? Is it under construction ? Or is it on fire orsomething {pause} happening to it ? Or is itstable ? and so forth , going all the way um , fthrough Parking , Location , Hotel , Car ,Restroom , @ @ {comment} Riots , Fairs ,Strikes , or Disasters .Grad C: So is {disfmarker}


The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota(NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)): I call this meetingto order. Welcome to meeting number 22 of theHouse of Commons Special Committee on theCOVID-19 Pandemic. A reminder to all membersthat in order to avoid issues with sound,members participating in person should not alsobe connected to the video conference. For thosejoining via video conference, I would like toremind you that, when speaking, you should beon the same channel as the language you arespeaking. As usual, please direct your remarksthrough the chair. I understand we don't haveany ministerial announcements today, so we'llproceed to presenting petitions. I would like toremind members that any petition presentedduring a meeting of the special committee musthave already been certified by the clerk ofpetitions. For members participating in person,we ask that they please come and drop thesigned certificate off at the table once thepetition is presented. The first petition will be


Project Manager: Afternoon guys . It's gonna be{gap} .Marketing: Rock and roll .ProjectManager: Oh . {vocalsound} {gap} 'Kay.Marketing: So do we need to re-train Mike onhow to put his mic on ?Project Manager: We maydo .Industrial Designer: Think sMarketing: Okay, can he get it all by himself this time ?ProjectManager: I dunno , I'm feeling like a big boy.Industrial Designer: Mm . ProMarketing:{gap}Industrial Designer: Probably not , 'causehe's 'S been listening to {gap} too much.Marketing: So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:He's getting retarded . Yay .Marketing: I believeI can fly .User Interface: Alright well we gotsome exciting stuff for you guys .IndustrialDesigner: Or not .User Interface: Or not .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah.Marketing: Just what I needed was somethingexciting . Remember , I'm an old man .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay ,ready to go ?User Interface: All ready .ProjectManager: 'Kay so we've got our conceptual


Marketing: Just put it on the deskt {gap}desktop .Project Manager: No on the desktopyou'll find you should find that there's a projectdocuments link . A well actually just there.Marketing: Project documents ,Project Manager:Yeah . That's it .Marketing: yeah .ProjectManager: If you dump it in there .Marketing:What's your username ?Project Manager: Yourusername .Marketing: What's your usernameand password ? Mm-hmm . Sorry .ProjectManager: Okay .Marketing: Okay . There we go.Project Manager: Excellent . Right . Hopefullythat's us ready to uh to go . So . Functionaldesign meeting . We'll have to flesh out some ofthe uh stuff . Um we'll start with the minutes ofthe last meeting . Not a lot thankfully to say . Weintroduced ourselves , discussed the possibility ofa macro facility , interac interacting the T_V_ abit more , um mentioning of bar-code , joystickfor user manipulation , um and ergonomics ofthe remote control as well . Um it's come to myattention the following . Teletext has become


Professor D: OK .PhD A: Mike . Mike - one ?PhDB: Ah .Professor D: We 're on ? Yes , please . Imean , we 're testing noise robustness but let 'snot get silly . OK , so , uh , you 've got some , uh, Xerox things to pass out ?PhD A: Yeah,Professor D: That are {disfmarker}PhD A: um.Professor D: Yeah .PhD A: Yeah . Yeah , I 'msorry for the table , but as it grows in size , uh ,it .Professor D: Uh , so for th the last column weuse our imagination . OK .PhD B: Ah , yeah.Professor D: Ah .PhD A: Uh , yeah .PhD B: Uh ,do you want @ @ .Professor D: This one 's nice ,though . This has nice big font .PhD A: Yeah.Grad C: Let 's see . Yeah . Chop !Professor D:Yeah .PhD A: SoProfessor D: When you get olderyou have these different perspectives . I mean ,lowering the word hour rate is fine , but havingbig font !PhD A: Next time we will put colors orsomething .Professor D: That 's what 's{disfmarker}PhD A: Uh .Professor D: Yeah . It 'smostly big font . OK .PhD A: OK , s so there iskind of summary of what has been done


Professor B: I think for two years we were twomonths , uh , away from being done .PhD A: Andwhat was that , Morgan ? What project?Professor B: Uh , the , uh , TORRENT chip .PhDA: Oh .Professor B: Yeah . We were two{disfmarker} we were {disfmarker}PhD C: Yeah.Professor B: Uh , uh , we went through it{disfmarker} Jim and I went through old emailsat one point and {disfmarker} and for two yearsthere was this thing saying , yeah , we 're{disfmarker} we 're two months away frombeing done . It was very {disfmarker} verybelievable schedules , too . I mean , we wentthrough and {disfmarker} with the schedules{disfmarker} and we {disfmarker}PhD A: It wastrue for two years .Professor B: Yeah . Oh , yeah. It was very true .PhD A: So , should we just dothe same kind of deal where we {pause} goaround and do , uh , status report {pause} kindof things ? OK . And I guess when Sunil getshere he can do his last or something . So.Professor B: Yeah . So we {pause} probably


Project Manager: So is {disfmarker} Why notsave that .Marketing: No , you'll ha have to openit up from elsewhere .Project Manager: {gap}{disfmarker} Do you want to replace existing file, no . {vocalsound} I actually tried to transfer itto My Documents , but {disfmarker}Marketing:Yeah , you have to you have to close thatwindow . 'Cause that's the save one isn't it , so{disfmarker} And then find it .Project Manager:{gap} spreadsheet .Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Yeah , but I've ta uhMarketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: right , I'll justre-do it . That's the easiest way . {vocalsound}{vocalsound} Right .User Interface: Well we'vemade our prototype anyway . We can have agood look at that . {vocalsound}Marketing: Youpass it round to have a look .User Interface:{vocalsound} Mm-hmm . Y no , it's a slightlycurved around the sides .{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Mm verynice .User Interface: Um , it's almost curved like


Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer:Mm yeah .Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound}I g yeah . Time is it ?Marketing: {vocalsound}Fourteen twenty six .Project Manager: Okay .Lovely to see you all again . Um {vocalsound}it's our conceptual design meeting and it'sstarting at approximately fourteen twenty fiveand so we have forty minutes for this one againand so we'll go just after three o'clock . Um okay{vocalsound} our agenda , we're gonna do anopening , I'm gonna review the minutes of thelast meeting , then we'll have your threepresentations um and then we'll have to make adecision on the remote control concepts , andfinally we'll close . SoIndustrial Designer: Okay.Project Manager: opening . Um these are ourminutes from r the functional design . Wedecided our target group is the focus on who canafford it , because we have international appealand we said it's for all age groups , different umfunctions of it . Our main objectives weresimplicity and fashion . {vocalsound} And s um


Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . Goodmorning everybody .Industrial Designer: Goodmorning .Project Manager: Oh , everybody is notready .User Interface: Uh almost .ProjectManager: Alright .User Interface: Ready .ProjectManager: Okay , let's go . So , we're here todayto to have our first kick-off meeting about uh thisnew project we're going to tak to talk about in afew minutes . Um so I will be uh Sebastian theProject Manager . Um you are the{disfmarker}User Interface: I'm uh Michael . I'mthe user interface designer .Project Manager:Okay .Marketing: Hi I'm Guillermo {gap} . I'mthe Marketing Expert .Industrial Designer: And Iam Hemant , the industrial designer .ProjectManager: Okay , very good . Thanks for beinghere . Um so let's have a look to the the agenda. So , we are going to go through this agenda uhand mainly first to uh {vocalsound} to make{disfmarker} to to be used to the tools uhavailable in this nice and smart meeting room wehave here . Um then we'll go to uh the plans for


Project Manager: Okay . Um welcome to oursecond meeting . This is the functional designmeeting . And I hope you all had a goodindividual working time . Okay , let's get started. Okay , here's the agenda for the meeting .After the opening um I am going to fulfil the roleof secretary , take the meeting minutes . Andwe're gonna have three presentations , one fromeach of you . Then we're gonna discuss somenew project requirements . Um gonna come to adecision on the functions of the remote control .And then we're gonna close up the meeting . Andwe're gonna do this all in about forty minutes .{gap} Okay . First I want to discuss the goals ofthis meeting . First we need to determine theuser requirements and the question that we canask ourselves is what needs and desires are tobe fulfilled by this remote control . And thenwe're going to determine the technical functions, what is the effect of the apparatus , whatactually is it supposed to do , what do peoplepick up the remote and use it for . And then


Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone, andwelcome to today's meeting of the Children,Young People and Education Committee. We'vereceived no apologies for absence. Can I askMembers whether there are any declarations ofinterest, please?Darren Millar AM: Yes, I have adeclaration of interest, Chair. I understand thatmy daughter features in one of the videos that isgoing to be used to contribute evidence to thisinquiry. And, in addition, I'm a governor of oneof the schools that features in the video.LynneNeagle AM: Thank you, Darren. So, item 2, then,today is our first session on the provision oftextbooks and learning resources for pupils,which is a video of interviews with young peopleand teachers. The committee team has been outto take video evidence around Wales, and we'renow going to watch the results of that on thescreen. Okay. Well, I'm sure that thecommittee would want me to place on record ourthanks to the young people and the teacherswho took part in that very helpful and


User Interface: Hi .Industrial Designer: Hi.Project Manager: Hello .Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: Oh .ProjectManager: Good morning .User Interface: Goodmorning .Industrial Designer: Morning.Marketing: Good morning .Project Manager: Uhbefore I start with the with the meeting I have afew things to tell you about the the setting we'rein , uh because we're uh being watched by uhBig Brother . So um {disfmarker}Marketing: ByBig Brother ?Project Manager: Yeah .{vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: Okay .Project Manager:This uh {disfmarker} These are cameras , so arethese . This thing uh that looks like a pie,Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: areactually all microphones .Marketing: Yeah . Okay.Project Manager: So you must be careful withuh with uh all this . And uh as I can see you uhyou have placed your laptops uh exactly on theplace where it must be . And that has to do withthe camera settings , so we don't have our uh


Marketing: {gap}Project Manager: {gap}{vocalsound}Marketing: I dunno . {vocalsound}Throwing away my toothpick .User Interface: Hithere .Project Manager: Yo . Ow .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {gap}{vocalsound}Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager:Uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Nice user interface.Project Manager: Yeah . What the {disfmarker}Uh {disfmarker}Marketing: {gap}ProjectManager: Yeah well , ja well let's just start.Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: {vocalsound}{vocalsound} I've uh made a presentation uhbut uh I'll open it on the Smartboard , so we canall see it .Marketing: Right let's see it .ProjectManager: So it's in the project documentsbecause that's what we can find here . Well{gap} . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Very nice . Wellthis is called the the the kick-off meeting . So uh{vocalsound} I'm the Project Manager , so I hadto fill it in ,Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: anduh hmm . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Oh sorry .


Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone.Welcome to the Children, Young People andEducation Committee. We've received noapologies for absence this morning. Can I ask ifthere are any declarations of interest fromMembers, please? No. Okay. Thank you. Item 3this morning then is a scrutiny session on earlychildhood education and care, and I'm verypleased to welcome Julie Morgan AM, DeputyMinister for Health and Social Services; Jo-anneDaniels, director of communities and tacklingpoverty at Welsh Government; and NicolaEdwards, deputy director of the childcare, playand early years division in Welsh Government.Thank you all for your attendance. We’re verymuch looking forward to the session. If you'rehappy, we'll go straight into questions, and thefirst ones are from Hefin David.Hefin David AM:Good morning, Deputy Minister. What are yourprimary objectives? Is it supporting thedevelopment of children or getting parents intowork?Julie Morgan AM: Well, I think you'll be


PhD A: Eh , we should be going .Professor B: Sone next week we 'll have , uh , both Birger{pause} and , uh , Mike {disfmarker} Michael{disfmarker} Michael Kleinschmidt and BirgerKollmeier will join us .PhD D: Uh - huh .ProfessorB: Um , and you 're {disfmarker} {vocalsound}you 're probably gonna go up in a couple{disfmarker} three weeks or so ? When d whenare you thinking of going up to , uh , OGI ?PhDD: Yeah , like , uh , not next week but maybe theweek after .Professor B: OK . Good . So at leastwe 'll have one meeting with {vocalsound} yowith you still around , and {disfmarker} and{disfmarker}PhD D: Uh - huh .Professor B: That's good .PhD D: Um , Yeah . Well , {vocalsound}maybe we can start with this . Mmm .ProfessorB: All today , huh ?PhD D: Yeah .Professor B: Oh.PhD D: Um . Yeah . So there was thisconference call this morning , um , and the onlytopic on the agenda was just to discuss a and tocome at {disfmarker} uh , to get a decisionabout this latency problem .Professor B: No , this


Project Manager: Okay . Everybody found hisplace again ? Yeah ?Marketing: Yes .ProjectManager: That's nice . Okay so this is our secondmeeting . And uh still failing ?{vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager:Uh now we're going um into the functional design. Um important thing of this phase is that we'regoing to uh try to get an agreement about theuser requirements , technical function design ,and the working design . So that we can moveonto the second uh phase . But first this phase .Um first an announcement . There's a littleadaptation in the air conditioning system . So{disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} There's our{vocalsound} ghost mouse again . That thatmeans that you can have a little trouble with ,little trouble with the air conditioning , that'sbecause of this uh {disfmarker}User Interface:Okay .Project Manager: It's in wing C_ and E_.Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: So it shouldbe over in a in a while , couple of days . But it's


Marketing: Oh right okay . {vocalsound} I covermyself up . {vocalsound}Project Manager: I feellike Madonna with one of these on . I said I feellike Madonna with one of these on .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: {gap} .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}I've always wanted one of these , I really have .{vocalsound} Where do you buy 'em from ?{vocalsound} They're {gap} .Project Manager:{vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Right . Hello everybody .UserInterface: Hello .Project Manager: Back again foranother wonderful meeting .Industrial Designer:{gap} .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Is uh everyone ready ?User Interface:Yeah .Industrial Designer: Almost .{vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager:Okay , we c we can hold on for a minute.Marketing: {vocalsound} Oh my gosh .{vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound}Project


Professor C: Starts {disfmarker} No . No .PhD D:No . That 's a different thing .Professor C: There's another {disfmarker} I don't know . It startswith a P or something . I forget the word for it ,but it 's {disfmarker} it 's umPhD D: Oh.Professor C: Typically when you {disfmarker}you 're ab r starting around forty for most people, it starts to harden and then it 's just harder forthe lens to shift thingsPhD D: Oh .Professor C:and th the {disfmarker} the symptom is typicallythat you {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you have tohold stuff uh uh further away to {disfmarker} tosee it .PhD E: Uh - huh . Yeah .Professor C: Infact , uh m my brother 's a {pause}gerontological psychologist and he {disfmarker}he uh {vocalsound} came up with an{disfmarker} an uh {disfmarker} a uh body agetest which uh gets down to sort of only threemeasurements that are good enough ststatistical predictors of all the rest of it . And oneof them is {disfmarker} is the distance{vocalsound} that you have to hold it at .PhD D:


Marketing: It's Play-Doh .Project Manager:Play-Doh's edible . Did you know that ? It'sdefinitely {disfmarker}Marketing: Because kids{disfmarker} yeah .Industrial Designer: I usedto eat it .User Interface: I've , I've definitelyeaten it before . I didn't know was edible .{vocalsound} {gap} .Project Manager: Yeah .It's it's chew proof . {vocalsound}Marketing: Butum , it's it's made edible 'cause , yeah . It'smade edible 'cause kids eat it ,Project Manager:Yeah .Marketing: and if it's wasn't edible then{disfmarker} Well , normal babies .{vocalsound}User Interface: Actually that makessense , because I remember like , peopl I dunnoif my Mom ever did it but I remember otherpeople's Moms making like home-made Play-Dohwhere you just like make the {gap} colouringand make some sort of sort of dough .ProjectManager: Yeah .Marketing: Oh yeah it is , yeah .Oh yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Right.User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager:Everybody everybody ready ?Industrial


Industrial Designer: {gap} .User Interface: Hello{vocalsound} . 'Kay .Project Manager: You allsaw the newsflash ?Industrial Designer: It's{disfmarker}Project Manager: Or you got thesame message ?Marketing: Yeah I I just saw itone minute ago .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Yeah sorry .Industrial Designer: I don't know.Marketing: When I uh {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: I didn't see it yet I think .UserInterface: Newsflash ? D did I miss something?Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .ProjectManager: Yeah . Yeah I received an email so Ithought I I can't mail you so I thought I'd justdrop it in the folder , but {disfmarker}Marketing:Yeah pretty much .Industrial Designer: Heywhat's wrong with my computer ?User Interface:Okay .Project Manager: Is it unlocked ?UserInterface: No .Industrial Designer: {gap}.Marketing: Mm . Yeah that's my presentation .{vocalsound}Project Manager: Woah . I uh kindof opened it {gap} .User Interface: Mm.Industrial Designer: Huh ?Marketing: Mm


Project Manager: Okay . Uh door is closed .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Well , let's begin .Because if we have as much time as the last uhmeeting , we'll have to hurry up .Marketing: I'mlistening .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: Right .Project Manager:Um well I'll start with the presentation again ,the agenda .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: Great .Project Manager:Yo . So . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Uh{disfmarker} {vocalsound} This one I think.Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} Uh yeah . Well alright . Um well ,I'll show you the notes . It's not as uh interestingas it should be because we just uh had themeeting ,Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: but I'll show them . We'll get yourpresentations again on the conceptual design .Um {disfmarker} Then we'll have to dec decideabout the control , the remote control concepts .I've put a f uh a file in the project management


Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh welcomeback after lunch , I hope uh you had a goodlunch together . For uh this meeting the mainagenda okay uh to discuss about the conceptualdesign meeting . Okay and the agenda will bethe opening and uh {disfmarker} that's uh{disfmarker} the product manager or secretarythat's me and uh the presentations from theChristine and uh Agnes and from Mister Ed . Andfinally in this meeting we have todecideMarketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager:and we are to take a decision on the remotecontrol concept and uh the functional design Sowe have forty minutes , I think it's uh little bit uhlow , but I I hope we can finish it up{vocalsound} so I'll handle to the the functionalteam , to the Christine , okay , to discuss aboutuh the components concept .Industrial Designer:Okay . So uh , if you could open the PowerPointpresentation .Marketing: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: I'm number two .Project Manager:You're number two . 'KayIndustrial Designer:


PhD A: Alright . We 're on .Professor B: Test , um. Test , test , test . Guess that 's me . Yeah . OK.Grad D: Ooh , Thursday .Professor B: So . There's two sheets of paper in front of us .PhD A:What are these ?PhD E: Yeah . So .Professor B:This is the arm wrestling ?PhD C: Uh . Yeah , weformed a coalition actually .PhD E: Yeah . Almost.PhD C: We already made it into one .ProfessorB: Oh , good .PhD C: Yeah .Professor B:Excellent .PhD E: Yeah .Professor B: That 's thebest thing .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: So ,tell me about it .PhD E: So it 's {disfmarker} well, it 's {pause} spectral subtraction or Wienerfiltering , um , depending on if we put{disfmarker} if we square the transfer functionor not .Professor B: Right .PhD E: And then withover - estimation of the noise , depending on the, uh {disfmarker} the SNR , with smoothingalong time , um , smoothing along frequency.Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD E: It 's very simple, smoothing things .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhDE: And , um , {vocalsound} the best result is


Project Manager: Okay . Here we go . Alright ,the agenda for thi oh . Alright . Um the agendafor this meeting {vocalsound} is um{disfmarker} we'll initially have the prototypepresentation by our two designers . And then wewill evaluate it , given the criteria that um thatwe gave gave it . And um talk about our finances, whether we were under or over our budget . Ihave a um a spreadsheet where we can calculateum our prices for every aspect of of what we'vemade , given our options . And um evaluate theproduct , as a group .Industrial Designer: Okay.Project Manager: And um {disfmarker} So firstwe'll have the prototype presentation . Do youneed the um PowerPoint for this ?IndustrialDesigner: Um yeah . I just got a few slides , soshow them .Project Manager: Alright .IndustrialDesigner: Thank you . Do you want to present it? {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Um{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah , here weare .User Interface: {vocalsound} This is whatwe came up with . It's a pretty simple design .


User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:Okay . {vocalsound} Yeah . That's okay . That'sokay .Marketing: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Okay .Project Manager: Am I startingnow ? Anytime ? Oh sorry . 'Kay , um . Alright ,welcome back fro to the second meeting . Andum I hope you had a productive last thirtyminutes .User Interface: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Um , and um , I'll be taking minutes onthis one , and um {disfmarker} Being hooked upto the PowerPoint for this meeting isn't verynecessary for uh myself , because it'll be moreabout uh , what you guys are bringing to themeeting today . Um , so , the first presentationwe'll be looking at is Poppy's presentation . And ,um {disfmarker} So , sorry ? So , um , take itaway Poppy .Industrial Designer: Okay . Um , doI need to {disfmarker} {gap}Project Manager:It's , it's plugged in . So , um{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: plugged in.User Interface: F_ eight , w . Function F_ eight.Industrial Designer: F_ okay . Function F_ eight


Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound} Well ,let's start . What are we doing ? Oops .{vocalsound}User Interface: Hmm .IndustrialDesigner: Ah , pinball .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Okay . Okay . Not doing .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: Mm . Ah . Hey .{vocalsound} Ah .Project Manager: Uh{disfmarker}User Interface: Oh .Marketing: NowI have my screen back too . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Very good .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Okay .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager:{vocalsound} {gap} we have presentations . Sofirst , it's your turn .Industrial Designer:{gap}User Interface: Mine . Oh , great .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Yeah . Isn't it amazing .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Huh .{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .Very interesting .User Interface: Uh


Lynne Neagle AM: Okay, good morning,everyone. Welcome to the Children, YoungPeople and Education Committee. We've receivedno apologies for absence. Can I ask Memberswhether there are any declarations of interest,please? No. Okay. Thank you. Item 2 thismorning is our evidence session with the CabinetSecretary for Education for our inquiry into thestatus of the Welsh baccalaureate qualification.I'm very pleased to welcome Kirsty Williams AM,Cabinet Secretary for Education; Kevin Palmer,who is deputy director, pedagogy, leadership andprofessional learning; and Andrew Clark, deputydirector, further education and apprenticeshipsdivision. So, thank you all for attending, andwe're looking forward to hearing what you've gotto say. If you're happy, Cabinet Secretary, we'llgo straight to questions.Kirsty Williams AM: Ofcourse.Lynne Neagle AM: And the first questionsare from Julie Morgan.Julie Morgan AM: Thankyou very much, Chair, and bore da. I was goingto ask some general questions about the value of


Project Manager: Uh 'kay . So{disfmarker}Marketing: So so so .UserInterface: Put on your mic .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} So you forgot how this worksagain ?User Interface: Boss .Project Manager:Yep .Industrial Designer: {gap} Boss .Marketing:Maybe . Maybe maybe maybe .Project Manager:Okay so we're here to talk about the detaileddesign of the product , 'kay ?User Interface: Yep.Project Manager: And here's the agenda for thismeeting . Uh I'm just gonna open , say a fewboring words to start with again , and starttaking minutes afterwards . You guys are gonnagive us a presentation of our wonder productthat I can see some demonstrations of overthere . Looks cool . And then we're gonnaevaluate it .Marketing: {vocalsound} BraUserInterface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Thenwe're gonna talk about finance , and I've got alovely Excel spreadsheet that I knocked up in thelast five minutes for this . And uhIndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Hmm you knocked it up


Project Manager: Okay , all set ? Welcome to theconceptual design meeting .User Interface: Uh ,okay .Industrial Designer: Yes .Project Manager:The agenda . The opening . I'll again be thesecretary and make minutes , take minutes , uhand it will be three presentations , just like thelast meeting . So um , {vocalsound} who wantsto start off ? Technical uh designer again ?UserInterface: {vocalsound} Again .Project Manager:Okay .User Interface: Hmm .Project Manager:Uh , yeah . Uh , before we begin it , I want tosay I've I've put the minutes of the uh secondmeeting in the shared folder , but they're still notuh quite okay . It uh it uh still some technicaldifficulties so the the first part of the minutes arevery hard to read , because there are twodocuments that uh were layered over each other.User Interface: Mm-hmm .Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: So{disfmarker}Marketing: Okay .Project Manager:But uh , from now on I won't use my penanymore , so will be p just {vocalsound}


Project Manager: {vocalsound} Wouldn't wannabe Project Manager . {vocalsound} Uh , what wegoing to do .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Um , once again I'm uh gonna takeminutes . So , um no presentation for me . Uh ,first we have a prototype presentation by G_ andG_ .User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} Afterwards some uhUser Interface:Yo .Marketing: J_ and J_ . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: eval eval evaluIndustrial Designer:Evaluation .Project Manager: evaluationUserInterface: Evaluation criteria .Marketing:Evaluation .Project Manager: s {vocalsound}sorry .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Uh evaluation crit criteria . Uh , incombination with the finance I um {vocalsound}uh I received uh a an uh an Excel uh fileUserInterface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Hmm .ProjectManager: which we have to fill in later on . Um ,you see . Uh , and then we must see uh if we uh


Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone, andwelcome to the Children, Young People andEducation committee this morning. We'vereceived apologies for absence from SiânGwenllian and there is no substitute thismorning. Can I ask if Members have got anydeclarations of interest they'd like to make,please? No? Okay. Thank you. Item 2 thismorning, then, is a further session on ourfollow-up on our 'Mind over matter' report. I'mvery pleased to welcome Carol Shillabeer, who ischief executive of Powys Teaching Health Board,and who manages the Together for Children andYoung People programme. Thank you very muchfor attending, and thank you for the writtenupdate that you provided in advance to thecommittee. We've got a lot of ground that wewant to cover this morning, so if it's okay we'llgo straight into questions. If I can just start andask you if you're satisfied with the progressthat's been made since the programme wasestablished in 2015.Carol Shillabeer: Thank you


Project Manager: Okay Right {vocalsound} Umwell this is the kick-off meeting for our ourproject . Um {vocalsound} and um this is justwhat we're gonna be doing over the next twentyfive minutes . Um so first of all , just to kind ofmake sure that we all know each other,Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: I'mLaura and I'm the project manager .{vocalsound} Do you want to introduce yourselfagain ?Marketing: Great .Industrial Designer: Hi, I'm David and I'm supposed to be an industrialdesigner .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing:And I'm Andrew and I'm uh our marketingUserInterface: Um I'm Craig and I'm User Interface.Marketing: expert .Project Manager: Great .Okay . {vocalsound} Um so we're designing anew remote control and um {disfmarker} Oh Ihave to record who's here actually . So that'sDavid , Andrew and Craig , isn't it ? And you allarrived on time . Um yeah so des uh{vocalsound} design a new remote control . Um, as you can see it's supposed to be original ,


Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone.Welcome to the Children, Young People andEducation Committee this morning. I've receivedno apologies for absence. Can I ask Members ifthere are any declarations of interest, please?No. Okay, thank you. Item 2 this morning is ourscrutiny session on Estyn's annual report2018-19. I'm very pleased to welcome MeilyrRowlands, Her Majesty's Chief Inspector, Estyn;Jassa Scott, strategic director at Estyn; andClaire Morgan, strategic director at Estyn. Thankyou all for attending. We're looking forward tohearing what you've got to say. We'll go straightinto questions from Suzy Davies.Suzy DaviesAM: Bore da. Good morning, everybody. Thankyou for the papers upfront, in which you say thatthe most striking feature of the educationsystem, looking forward, of course is thecurriculum and the change that that's bringing.How can we be sure that, during this period ofchange, standards don't slip? And also, from thepoint of view of scrutiny, will we be back in a


Professor B: Is it starting now ?PhD E: Yep.Professor B: So what {disfmarker} what{disfmarker} from {disfmarker} what{disfmarker}Grad A: Hello ?Professor B:Whatever we say from now on , it can be heldagainst us , right ?PhD E: That 's right .ProfessorB: and uhGrad A: It 's your right to remain silent.Professor B: Yeah . So I {disfmarker} I{disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the problem isthat I actually don't know how th these heldmeetings are held , if they are very informal andsort of just people are say what 's going onPhDE: Yeah .Professor B: andPhD E: Yeah , that 'susually what we do .Professor B: OK .PhD E: Wejust sorta go around and people say what 'sgoing on , what 's the latest uh{disfmarker}Professor B: Yeah . OK . So I guessthat what may be a {disfmarker} reasonable is ifI uh first make a report on what 's happening inAurora in general , at least what from myperspective .PhD E: Yeah . That would be great.Professor B: And {disfmarker} and uh so , I


Grad F: OK .PhD C: Adam , what is the mike that, uh , Jeremy 's wearing ? Grad F: It 's the ear -plug mike .Postdoc A: Ear - plug .PhD E: That 'sgood .PhD C: Is that a wireless , or {disfmarker}? Oh .Grad F: No .Grad G: It 's wired .ProfessorB: Oh !Postdoc A: Is that {disfmarker} Does thatmean you can't hear anything during themeeting ?Grad D: It 's old - school .Grad F: Huh? What ? Huh ?Professor B: Should we , uh ,close the door , maybe ?Grad F: It {disfmarker}it 's a fairly good mike , actually .Professor B: Soit 's {disfmarker} Yeah . Huh .Grad F: Well , Ishouldn't say it 's a good mike . All I really knowis that the signal level is OK . I don't know if it 'sa {disfmarker} the quality .Professor B: Well ,that 's aGrad F: Ugh ! So I didn't send outagenda items because until five minutes ago weonly had one agenda item and now we have two. So . {vocalsound} And , uh .Professor B: OK .So , just to repeat the thing bef that we said lastweek , it was there 's this suggestion ofalternating weeks on {vocalsound} more , uh ,


Project Manager: Hello again .User Interface:Hello .Industrial Designer: Hi .{vocalsound}Marketing: Hey , Project Manager.Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface:Um , Project Manager , I have something to tellyou .Project Manager: Mm yeah .User Interface:I have a little problems with my laptop .ProjectManager: Okay .User Interface: And uh s s s so Ihad a little less time to complete .ProjectManager: Okay .User Interface: No , a littleproblem , uh {vocalsound} big problem . I justthought {disfmarker}Marketing: What was it ,problem ?User Interface: Um , it didn't workanymore . {vocalsound}Marketing: The laptop?User Interface: The entire Windows uh{disfmarker}Marketing: It hang {disfmarker}hung .User Interface: It it hung .{vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: Ha-ha . Oh . ProjectManager .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yes .{vocalsound} Yes .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: You're our Project


Project Manager: Okay we all all set ? Right .Well this is the uh final detailed design meeting .Um we're gonna discuss the look and feel design, the user interface design , and we're gonnaevaluate the product . And the end result of thismeeting has to be a decision on the details ofthis remote control , like absolute final decision ,um and then I'm gonna have to specify the finaldesign in the final report . So um just from fromlast time to recap , we said we were gonna havea snowman shaped remote control with noL_C_D_ display , no need for talk-back , it washopefully gonna be kinetic power and battery uhwith rubber buttons , maybe backlighting thebuttons with some internal L_E_D_s to shinethrough the casing , um hopefully a jog-dial ,and incorporating the slogan somewhere as well. Anything I've missed ?Industrial Designer: No.Project Manager: Okay um so uh if you want topresent your prototype go ahead .User Interface:Uh-oh . This is it ? {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Ninja Homer , made in Japan .


Professor D: OK . So , uh You can fill those out ,uh {pause} after , actually , so So , I got , uh{pause} these results from , uh , Stephane .Also , um , I think that , uh {pause} um {pause}we might hear later today , about other results .I think s that , uh , there were some other verygood results that we 're gonna wanna compareto . But , {vocalsound} r our results from other{disfmarker} other places , yeah .PhD A: I I 'msorry ? I didn'tProfessor D: Um , I got this fromyouPhD A: Yeah .Professor D: and then I sent anote to Sunil about the {disfmarker} cuz he hasbeen running some other systemsPhD A: Mm -hmm .Professor D: other than the {disfmarker}the ICSI OGI one .PhD A: Oh yeah .Professor D:So {pause} um , I wan wanna {disfmarker}wanna see what that is . But , uh , you know , sowe 'll see what it is comparatively later . But{pause} it looks like , umPhD A: M yeah.Professor D: You know most of the time , even{disfmarker} I mean even though it 's true thatthe overall number for Danish {disfmarker} we


User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: So I seeall everybody's here , 'kay .Marketing: Mm-hmm.Industrial Designer: Yep .Project Manager: Andwe can start meeting .User Interface: Okay{vocalsound} .Marketing: What's the agenda forthis meeting ?Project Manager: The{disfmarker} I will uh present here agenda withwith with with slides to you .Marketing: Okay.Project Manager: Um as you can see here.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:Perfect .Project Manager: So first uh just tomention I will take notes uh of thismeetingMarketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager:and uh I will try to work them out and give themto you . I've also made notes of the previousmeeting and um I was about to send them youbut {vocalsound} then uh I had to go to this uhmeeting so you will get them too uhMarketing:Mm-hmm .User Interface: Next .ProjectManager: Um .Industrial Designer: So y you arethe secretary also .Project Manager: Yes . Indeed


Project Manager: Yep . Soon as I get this . Okay. This is our last meeting . Um I'll go ahead andgo through the minutes from the previousmeeting . Uh and then we'll have a , theprototype presentation . {vocalsound} Um thenwe will um do an evaluation . Uh or we'll seewhat , what we need to have under the criteriafor the evaluation . Then we'll go through thefinance and see if we fall within the budget . Umthen we'll do the evaluation , and then we canfinish up after that with um any changes thatwe'll need to make , or hopefully everything willfall right in line . Um let's see , minutes from thelast meeting . Um we looked at uh the the trends. We had uh the fashion trends that people wanta fancy look-and-feel . It was twice as importantas anything else . Um they liked fruit andvegetables in the new styles . Um and a spongyfeel . So we were talking about trying toincorporate those into our prototype . Um theywanted limited buttons and simplicity . Um thenwe looked at the uh the method for coming up


Project Manager: Mm-hmm ? Okay . Ooh .UserInterface: {gap}Industrial Designer: So we're'kay ? On the {gap} or {disfmarker} No . Idunno where to put it 'cause the {disfmarker}Okay . Could you s take it off ? {gap}.Marketing: Is that alright ? {vocalsound} {gap}or {disfmarker} Okay .Industrial Designer: Okay.Marketing: Keeps coming off . 'S fiddly .ProjectManager: Hmm . {gap}Marketing: {vocalsound}Right .Project Manager: How do we sta wa howdo we start ? Does anybody know ?Marketing:Oh , another one .Project Manager: So that's this{disfmarker}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh okay , right.Industrial Designer: Are we free to take notesuh {disfmarker} Okay .Project Manager: Uh{vocalsound} {gap} . {vocalsound} {gap} .Hmm . Okay , just hang on a second everybody .I haven't actually looked at this yet .Marketing:{vocalsound} Ah .Project Manager: {gap} um{disfmarker}Marketing: Very nice .ProjectManager: I haven't looked at it , but let's just


Marketing: I wanna find our if our remote works.Project Manager: Me too .{vocalsound}Marketing: Oh .{vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . Um here'sthe agenda for our last meeting .Marketing:Whoohoo .Project Manager: Um after theopening we're going to have a prototypepresentation , then we're going to discuss theevaluation criteria and the financing of ourremote . Then we're going to evaluate theproduct and I think the whole production process, and then we're gonna close it up , and we haveforty minutes , so let's get started . Oh , no ,let's have the prototype presentation .IndustrialDesigner: Mm 'kay ,User Interface:{gap}Industrial Designer: you ready ?UserInterface: Um sure . You or me ?IndustrialDesigner: Y you read that stuff , since you wroteit .User Interface: Okay . Well , since ourmaterials aren't exactly what we were going for ,I'm just gonna translate what this all means foryou .Industrial Designer: I'll be the Vanna .User


Professor E: Let 's see . Test ? Test ? Yeah . OK.Grad A: Hello ?PhD B: Channel one .Grad A:Hello ?PhD C: Test .Professor E: I was sayingHynek 'll be here next week , uh , Wednesdaythrough Friday {disfmarker} uh , throughSaturday , and , um , I won't be here Thursdayand Friday . But my suggestion is that , uh , atleast for this meeting , people should go ahead ,uh , cuz Hynek will be here , and , you know , wedon't have any Czech accent yet , uh ,{vocalsound} as far as I know , so {disfmarker}There we go .PhD F: OK .Professor E: Um . Soother than reading digits , what 's our agenda?PhD F: I don't really have , uh , anything new .Been working on {pause} Meeting Recorder stuff. So .Professor E: OK . Um . Do you think thatwould be the case for next week also ? Or is{disfmarker} is , uh {disfmarker} ? What 's yourprojection on {disfmarker} ?PhD F: Um.Professor E: Cuz the one thing {disfmarker} theone thing that seems to me we really should try ,if you hadn't tried it before , because it hadn't


Project Manager: So we come again for the thesecond meeting .User Interface: Mm-hmm.Project Manager: Uh for the aim of this meetingnow is to to make presentation about uh thework for each one .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: And {gap} takethe the decision about the the design and thefunctionality of the the remote control .UserInterface: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager:And we have {disfmarker} think I got a newproject requirement .Industrial Designer: Okay.Project Manager: So I think uh teletext becomesoutdated . So the popularity of the {disfmarker}since the popularity of the internet ,IndustrialDesigner: Okay .Project Manager: and I think wedon't need lighting adaptive , so the remotecontrol should be only used for the the television. And of course we should have our image {gap}in the in the design . So , let's start with the theindustrial designer .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {gap} .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:


Project Manager: Is everyone ready to start?Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound}UserInterface: Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yes.Project Manager: Okay . Great . Well , welcometo the third meeting of conceptual design . I'lljust get the PowerPoint presentation up andrunning . Okay . Um , on the agenda for this ,um , for this particular meeting , we'll have yourthree presentations on what you've done sinceour last meeting , after we came up with umsome general ideas of our design . And , um ,then we have to make some key decisions on ,on our remote control concept , and how we'regonna make it , what uh materials we're gonnause , and that sort of thing .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: The meeting willbe forty minutes long .Industrial Designer: Okay.Project Manager: And um we will once againhave Poppy as our first presenter .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Okay .Project Manager:Alright , and I will switch up PowerPoint.Industrial Designer: Thank you .Project


Project Manager: Uh it fell off . One , two , three, four , yeah , we're ready . Okay . Welcome tothis second meeting . Um it's now quarter aftertwelve and we're given forty minutes um for thismeeting . This is a meeting on functional design .Um and I wanna welcome you all and thank youall for doing some research in between . Um I did{disfmarker} took the minutes from the firstmeeting and I'll show them to you in a moment .Um I know each of you have a presentation andum in thinking about the forty minutes , Ithought it would take only like three minutes forthe previous minutes , um each of you havingabout seven minutes or maybe a little more ,maybe a little less for your pre presentations anda little discussion , because there's {disfmarker}I happen to have been told there were some newproject requirements and we have to make someuh decision on what functions it will have . Okay? Is this ap everybody agree with this ?IndustrialDesigner: Oops .User Interface: Yes .Marketing:Yes .Project Manager: Okay . Um and after the


Postdoc B: Alright .Professor C: So , uh{disfmarker}Grad F: Um , so I wanted to discussdigits briefly , but that won't take too long.Professor C: Oh good . Right . OK , agendaitems , Uh , we have digits , What else we got?PhD A: New version of the presegmentation.Professor C: New version of presegmentation.Postdoc B: Um , do we wanna say somethingabout the , an update of the , uh , transcript?PhD G: Yeah , why don't you summarize the{disfmarker}Professor C: Update on transcripts.PhD G: And I guess that includes some{disfmarker} the filtering for the , the ASI refs ,too .Postdoc B: Mmm .Professor C: Filtering forwhat ?PhD G: For the references that we need togo from the {disfmarker} the {pause} fancytranscripts to the sort of {nonvocalsound} brain- dead .Postdoc B: It 'll {disfmarker} it 'll be{disfmarker} basically it 'll be a re - cap of ameeting that we had jointly this morning.Professor C: Uh - huh .PhD G: With Don , aswell .Postdoc B: Mm - hmm .Professor C: Got it .


Grad D: And we already got the crash out of theway . It did crash , so I feel much better , earlier.Professor F:  Yeah .Postdoc E: Interesting .Hmm .Professor F: Will you get the door , and{disfmarker} ? Grad D: OK , so um .Professor F:OK . You collected an agenda , huh ?Grad D: Idid collect an agenda . So I 'm gonna go first .Mwa - ha - ha ! It shouldn't take too long.Postdoc E: Yeah .Grad D: Um , so we 're prettymuch out of digits . We 've gone once throughthe set . Um , so the only thing I have todoProfessor F: No there 's only ten .Grad D:Yeah , that 's right . so I {disfmarker} I justhave to go through themProfessor F: Well , OK.Grad D: and uh pick out the ones that haveproblems , and either correct them or have themre - read . So we probably have like four or fivemore forms to be read , to be once through theset . I 've also extracted out about an hour 'sworth . We have about two hours worth . Iextracted out about an hour 's worth which arethe f digits with {disfmarker} for which whose


Project Manager: Hi Kate . {vocalsound} Okay ,carry on .Industrial Designer: Just just carry on .{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Alright um this is the beginning of the thirdmeeting , the conceptual design meeting . Umour agenda should be um that we're opening themeeting , I have {disfmarker} the minutes fromthe previous meeting are on the shared f drive atthis point . Um and we should each have apresentation to make . Um we have certaindecisions to make and we have forty minutestotal . It's twenty five after two at the moment ,so forty minutes is five after three ,{vocalsound} um which I'll be keeping an eye onthe clock for us . Okay . {vocalsound} Um thereare the decisions we have to turn to , but we'llcome back to them in a minute after I take us tothe minutes of the previous meeting . Right umas we remember , I opened the meeting , thefour of us were present , the meeting{disfmarker} the first meeting's minutes werereviewed and approved . Um Sarah , you