Project Manager: That should hopefully do thetrick , um . 'Kay . Sorry about the small delay .Falling a little bit behind schedule . And that's uhfifteen twenty five . Okay . So just to try androughly go over what we agreed in the last one ,um we're gonna go for something uh uh how wasit ? Uh The new black , I believe .Marketing:{gap} .Project Manager: Um something thatlooks good 'cause that seems to be in preferenceto actual functionality in the end , though weshould never avoid functionality , of course . Uhmany of our components are gonna be standard, off the shelf , but it seemed like we were gonnarequire at least an advanced chip and we werestill very much for the idea of using an L_C_D_display . Um other things were we were hopingto use rubber , most likely gonna be doublecurved , etcetera . Okay . So um due to yourhard work , we might as well let the uh twodesigners go first , and uh show us the prototype.User Interface: Okay , it's a {disfmarker}ProjectManager: Quite how the best way to do this is ,


The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota(NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)): I call this meetingto order. Welcome to the 14thmeeting of theHouse of Commons Special Committee on theCOVID-19 Pandemic.  This will be a hybridmeeting. Some members will be participating viavideo conference and some will be participatingin person. In order to ensure that those joiningthe meeting via video conference can be seenand heard by those in the chamber, two screenshave been set up on either side of the Speaker'schair, and members in the chamber can listen tothe floor audio or to interpretation using theirearpiece at their desk. Before speaking, pleasewait until I recognize you by name, and pleasedirect your remarks through the chair. For thosejoining via video conference, I would like toremind you to leave your mike on mute whenyou are not speaking. Also, please note that ifyou want to speak in English, you should be onthe English channel. If you want to speak French,you should be on the French channel. Should you


Sian Thomas: Bore da. Unfortunately, the Chair,Lynne Neagle, is unable to attend today'smeeting. Therefore, in accordance with StandingOrder 17.22, I call for nominations for atemporary Chair, for the duration of themeeting.Julie Morgan AM: I nominate JohnGriffiths.Sian Thomas: Any further nominations?I therefore declare that John Griffiths has beenappointed temporary Chair, and I invite him tochair for the duration of today's meeting.JohnGriffiths AM: Thank you very much. I thank theMembers for that. Welcome, everyone, to thismeeting of the Children, Young People andEducation Committee. The first item on ouragenda today is apologies, substitutions,declarations of interest. Obviously, Lynne Neagleisn't able to be with us today. We haven'treceived any other apologies. Are there anydeclarations of interest? No. We will move onthen to item 2 on our agenda, the continuation ofour inquiry into targeted funding to improveeducational outcomes, and evidence session 8.


Grad A: OK . We seem to be recording .ProfessorG: Alright !Grad A: So , sorry about not{disfmarker}Professor G: We 're not crashing.PhD D: Number four .Grad A: not pre - doingeverything . The lunch went a little later than Iwas expecting , Chuck .PhD E: Hmm ?ProfessorG: OK .PhD B: Chuck was telling too many jokes, or something ?Grad A: Yep . Pretty much .PhDE: Yeah .Professor G: OK . {vocalsound} Doesanybody have an agenda ?Grad A: No .PostdocF: Well , I 'm {disfmarker} I sent a couple ofitems . They 're {disfmarker} they 're sort ofpractical .Professor G: I thought {pause}somebody had .Postdoc F: I don't know if you 're{disfmarker}Professor G: Yeah , that 's right.Postdoc F: if {disfmarker} if that 's too practicalfor what we 're {pause} focused on .Grad A: Imean , we don't want anything too practical.Professor G: Yeah , we only want th uselessthings .Grad A: Yeah , that would be{disfmarker}Professor G: Yeah . No , why don'twe talk about practical things ?Postdoc F: OK


Marketing: {vocalsound} That went well , thankyou .Project Manager: That's great .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} 'Kay .Marketing: Perfect.Project Manager: Alright , let me justPowerPoint this up . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}{vocalsound} Right so um this meeting will beabout the conceptual design , don't ask me sprecisely what conceptual design is , it's justsomething important that we need to do . Um ,think of it {disfmarker} 's kind of uh turning theabstract into slightly more concrete . In thismeeting ideally we'll come to some finaldecisions on what we're gonna do for theprototype . Um . Right so um , apologies for thelast meeting , it was brought to my attentionthat I did not make the roles clear enough , um ,so I will attempt to do so more accurately in thisparticular meeting . Um , fair enough , thanks forthe input , 's always good . Um . So , basically allwe're gonna do is have some presentations againmuch like last time , um , and gonna go throughyou , uh whoever wants to go first is f fine by me


Professor A: OK .Grad B: OK we 're on and weseem to be working .PhD C: Yes .Professor A: OK.Grad B: We didn't crash {disfmarker} we 're notcrashing anymorePhD C: One , two , three , four, fGrad B: and it really bothers me .Professor A:Yeah ?PhD C: No crashing .PhD G: I do . Icrashed when I started this morning .Grad B:You crashed {disfmarker} crashed this morning? I did not crash this morning .PhD C: Yeah?Professor A: Oh ! Well maybe it 's just , youknow , how many t u u u u how many times youcrash in a day .PhD G: Really ? Yeah . Maybe ,yeah .Professor A: First time {disfmarker} firsttime in the day , you know .PhD G: Or maybe it's once you 've {pause} done enough meetings{comment} it won't crash on you anymore .PhDE: Yeah .PhD C: No ?Postdoc F: Yeah .PhD G: It's a matter of experience .PhD E: Yeah .ProfessorA: Yeah .Postdoc F: Self - learning , yeah.Professor A: That 's {disfmarker} that 's great.PhD G: Yeah .Professor A: Uh .PhD C: Yeah.Professor A: Do we have an agenda ? Liz


Project Manager: Okay . Everybody ready?Marketing: Okay .Industrial Designer: Yeah.Project Manager: Uh I think the first thing we dois introduce ourselvesMarketing: I think so.Project Manager: and everybody's name andwhat your function is ?Marketing: Yeah , that's agood plan .Project Manager: So maybe we startwith you ?User Interface: Okay . Yeah , my nameis Francina . And I'm uh an user interface{disfmarker} my role is uh {disfmarker} themain responsibility is user interface .ProjectManager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: And my roleis to design uh a television remote control.Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Okay .Marketing:And I'm a marketing person . I wanna figure outhow to sell them .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .And your name is ?Marketing: My name is Eileen.Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer:Yeah . Uh I'm Jeanne-Oui . Um uh my role isindustrial designer and my responsibilities are uhuh um deal with the {vocalsound}technical-functional designs and specifications of


Project Manager: Uh fourth meeting .{vocalsound}User Interface: We have to do what?Project Manager: Some extra deciding.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} W what ? Alrialright . We'll see .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Well {disfmarker}User Interface:Oh .Project Manager: {gap} I'll show you thenotes again . Very interesting .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Wellyou'll you two will uh present us your prototype.Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager:Then um {disfmarker} I guess that's your bit ? II didn't s see anything about it ,Marketing: Yeah.Project Manager: so {vocalsound} I already uhthought you uh you were {gap} to do that.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: So the you're uh {gap} .Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: I'll show you howwe're going to do with financing this uh design.User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer: Yeah ,that's important too . Yeah .{vocalsound}Project Manager: And then we'll


Project Manager: Okay . So , now um ,{vocalsound} last time . Can you uh{vocalsound} push the button ? {vocalsound}One time please . So {disfmarker} {vocalsound}I'm still the secretary . Now uh , I ask you topresentate the prototype . One of your{disfmarker} you two .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I don't care .{vocalsound}User Interface: Oh this , you mean?Project Manager: Yes . The prototype .IndustrialDesigner: Huh ?User Interface: Yes , well uh thisis it . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} This is it.Project Manager: Well , thank you . Uh , now{disfmarker}User Interface: It's uh it's uh it'syellow . And uh , this is rubber . And and and thistoo . TheProject Manager: {vocalsound}UserInterface: the sides .Project Manager: Yes .UserInterface: And the rest is hard plastic . And uh{disfmarker} We uh we had some uh{vocalsound} {disfmarker} We had a new idea{vocalsound} that that this can uh can be uh uh


Project Manager: {vocalsound} So um nice tosee you again . Uh . So , uh . Tod uh for thismeeting I will take the notes and do the minutes. Uh so we will see our three presentations . Umwe will start with the uh Manager Expert wi whowill talk about uh user re requirements , whatsuser needs and what it desire for this devi device.Marketing: Okay , can I have the laptop overhere , or ?Project Manager: Yep . Oh , I don'tthink so . I think you have to come here.Marketing: Okay . Have to get up .{vocalsound}Project Manager: I dunno . I thinkit should stay .Marketing: Excuse me .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah , that's it .Project Manager:{gap}Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay .ProjectManager: Should stay in the square here .{vocalsound}Marketing: Okay .Project Manager:Oh , maybe .Marketing: Okay , so basically I'mgonna present some findings of a study weconducted uh into uh what users want in thisremote control .Project Manager: Oh , you canput it here . Oh that's okay , it's jusMarketing:


Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone.Welcome to the Children, Young People andEducation Committee. We've received apologiesfor absence from Suzy Davies and there is nosubstitute. Janet Finch-Saunders is joining usfrom the Assembly offices in Colwyn Bay viavideo conference. Can I ask Members if there areany declarations of interest, please? No. Okay.Item 2, then, this morning is a post-legislativescrutiny session on the Higher Education (Wales)Act 2015. I'm very pleased to welcome KirstyWilliams AM, Minister for Education, and HuwMorris, who is director of the skills, highereducation and lifelong learning group in WelshGovernment. Thank you, both, for attending, andthank you for the paper that you provided inadvance. I will just start the questioning byasking whether you are planning to repeal the2015 higher education Act, or will it be amendedby the post-compulsory education and trainingBill?Kirsty Williams AM: Thank you very much,Chair. I'm very pleased to be with the committee


Project Manager: Okay . Right . Conceptualdesign meeting . Right . Okay , so {disfmarker}Right well um from the last meeting{vocalsound} I was trying to send you theminutes , but uh it didn't work out too well , somaybe in sort of um quick summary of the lastuh meeting , I can quickly give you what wewhat we had .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh right , so{disfmarker} Wishing I hadn't closed the damn{disfmarker} Right so we had the fact that we'regonna have the the logo uh the company logo inits uh colour scheme incorporated onto the thedevice the remote device . We had uh made ourdecisions about uh made our decisions about uhthe device itself , that it was gonna be simple tomake it uh enable us to complete the project intime . We're gonna have uh effectively two pages, a front page which had the uh features that theuh the customers most wanted , and then the uhthe backup features on the second page so thatit could uh meet the technical requirements . And


Grad D: Channel one .PhD G: Test .PhD E: Hello.Grad D: Channel three .PhD G: Test .PhD A: Uh- oh .Professor F: So you think we 're going now, yes ? OK , good . Alright Going again Uh{disfmarker} So we 're gonna go around asbefore , and uh do {disfmarker} do our digits .Uh transcript one three one one dash one threethree zero . {comment} three two three{comment} four seven six five {comment} fivethree one six two four one {comment} six seven{comment} seven {comment} eight {comment}nine zero nine four zero zero three {comment}zero one five eight {comment} one seven threefive three {comment} two six eight zero{comment} three six two four three zero seven{comment} four {comment} five zero six ninefour {comment} seven four {comment} eightfive seven {comment} nine six one five{comment} O seven eight O two {comment}zero nine six zero four zero zero {comment} one{comment} two {comment} Uh {disfmarker}Yeah , you don't actually n need to say the name


Lynne Neagle AM: Good afternoon, everyone.Welcome to the first virtual meeting of theChildren, Young People and EducationCommittee. In accordance with Standing Order34.19, I determine that the public are excludedfrom the committee's meeting, in order toprotect public health. In accordance withStanding Order 34.21, notice of this decision wasincluded in the agenda for this meeting, whichwas published last Friday. This meeting is,however, being broadcast live on Senedd.tv, withall participants joining via video conference. Arecord of the proceedings will be published asusual. Aside from the procedural adaptationrelating to conducting proceedings remotely, allother Standing Order requirements forcommittees remain in place. The meeting isbilingual, and simultaneous translation fromWelsh to English is available. Can I remind allparticipants that the microphones will becontrolled centrally, so there's no need to turnthem on and off individually? Can I ask whether


Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone, andwelcome to this morning's Children, YoungPeople and Education Committee. We've receivedno apologies for absence. Can I ask Memberswho are present if they wish to declare anyinterests? Okay, thank you. Item 2 this morningis our final evidence session for our inquiry intotargeted funding to improve educationaloutcomes. I'm very pleased to welcome KirstyWilliams AM, Cabinet Secretary for Education;Steve Davies, director of the educationdirectorate; and Ruth Conway, deputy director,support for learners division. Welcome to all ofyou, and thank you for your attendance and alsofor the paper that you've provided in advance. Ifyou're happy, we'll go straight into questions,and the first questions are from LlyrGruffydd.Llyr Gruffydd AM: Bore da. I just wantto start by asking some questions around thetargeting of the pupil development grantbecause, clearly, we've had a lot of evidencearound this apparent blurring of eligibility to an


Grad C: Hmm . Testing channel two .Grad E:Two , two . Grad C: Two .Grad E: Two . Oh .GradD: Hello ?Grad B: Hmm ? Yeah Thank You . OKWell , so Ralf and Tilman are here .Professor F:OK . Great . Great .Grad B: Made it safely.Professor F: So the {disfmarker} what w we hhave been doing i they would like us all to readthese digits . But we don't all read them but acouple people read them .PhD A: OK .ProfessorF: Uh , wanna give them all with German accentstoday or {disfmarker} ?Grad B: Sure .ProfessorF: OK .Grad B: OK and the way you do it is youjust read the numbers not as uh each single , sojust like I do it .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Grad B: OK .First you read the transcript number . Turn .GradD: OK , uh {disfmarker} What 's{disfmarker}Professor F: OK . Let 's be donewith this .PhD A: OK .Professor F: OK . this isAmi , who {disfmarker} And this is Tilman andRalf .PhD A: Hi . Uh - huh . Nice to meet you.Grad D: Hi .Professor F: Hi . OK . So we 'regonna try to finish by five so people who want to


Project Manager: Okay . Hello everyone .{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:Hi .User Interface: Hi .Marketing: Hi .ProjectManager: Um how uh how we doing ?IndustrialDesigner: Yeah , good .Project Manager: Uh firstwe going uh over the minutes of the last meeting, more or less .User Interface: Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: Um in the last meeting uh themarketing manager had presented uh hermethod of working , meaning gathering isuggestions from everyone to see how she bestcould market uh this this product at the{disfmarker} within the budget uh that wasgiven . Uh in general {vocalsound} the idea isthat it should be something that is not difficult touse . Um it's also an item that people lose a lot .So we should address that . And , of course , itshould be something s s that is very simple touse . In addition to that to make it sell , ofcourse , uh the marketing manager w wishesthat it be very attractive ,Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: or like she says


Project Manager: Hello , uh this meeting we areit's fo should be focused on the conceptualdesign of the remote control .Marketing: Hello.Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface:Hello .Project Manager: Um the goal of thismeeting is to reach a decision at the end on theconcept and I think the last time we talked aboutan a lot and we had a rough idea of what is goingto be , but uh in th at the end of this meeting wehave to to reach a decision . So , uh we will haveagain three presentation , from all of you , anduh I hope it will be fast because I would like tohave time to for long discussion and anddecisions . So , who wants to start ? Okay .UserInterface: I sMarketing: Okay .User Interface:No , no , you you can start .Project Manager: Sostart , uhMarketing: Okay , I'll start . Can youopen my presentation ,Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: please .ProjectManager: Uh . {gap}Marketing: I'm number four.Project Manager: This one ?Marketing: Trend .Yep . Can you pass the mouse , please .


The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota(NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)): I call this meetingto order. Welcome to the 13th meeting of theHouse of Commons Special Committee on theCOVID-19 Pandemic. This will be a hybridmeeting. Some members will be participating viavideo conference and some will be participatingin person. In order to ensure that those joiningthe meeting via video conference can be seenand heard by those in the chamber, two screenshave been set up on either side of the Chairschair, and members in the chamber can listen tothe floor audio or to interpretation using theearpieces at their desks. Before speaking, pleasewait until I recognize you by name, and pleasedirect your remarks through the chair. For thosejoining via video conference, I would like toremind you to leave your mike on muteMr. ZiadAboultaif (Edmonton Manning, CPC): I have apoint of order.The Chair: Can the member waitfor the point of order until we finish theintroduction?Mr. Ziad Aboultaif: There is so much


Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .UserInterface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So we arehere for the concept design meeting . So , wewill first start by summarizing the mm{vocalsound} the previous meeting and thedecision we've taken . Uh I will take notes duringthis meeting so uh that you can uh look at my uhfolder to see the summary of this meetingafterwards . So each of you will uh show us thevarious investigation they've done during uhprevious uh hours . We'll then t take decision inconcert and then uh uh we will uh define the nest{disfmarker} next task , to have {disfmarker} tobe done before the next meeting . So , last timewe decided to have a simple interface . We alsodecided to have a wheel to change channel{disfmarker} previous channel button . Channeldigit uh buttons should be uh protected byplastic cover or something for the remote controlto look very simple . We have also button forvolume , and to switch on off the T_V_ . We havealso uh the lightening feature for the remote


Grad A: OK , this is one channel . Can you uh ,say your name and talk into your mike one at atime ?PhD C: This is Eric on channel three , Ibelieve .Grad A: OK . Uh , I don't think it 's onthere , Jane .Undergrad D: Tasting one two three, tasting .Postdoc E: OK , this is Jane on channelfive .Grad A: Uh , I still don't see you Jane.Postdoc E: Oh , darn , what am I doing wrong?Undergrad D: Can you see me on channel four ?Really ?Grad A: Yeah , I sUndergrad D: My luckyday .Postdoc E: Uh , screen no , {disfmarker} itis , oh , maybe it just warmed up ?Grad A: No.Postdoc E: Oh , darn , can you can't see channelfive yet ?Grad A: Uh , well , the mike isn't closeenough to your mouth , so .Postdoc E: Oh , thiswould be k OK , is that better ?Grad A: S uh , tryspeaking loudly ,Undergrad D: I like the highquality labelling .Grad A: so ,Postdoc E: Hello,Grad A: OK , good .Undergrad D: David , can weborrow your labelling machine to improve thequality of the labelling a little bit here ?PostdocE: hello . Alright .Grad A: Thank you .PhD B: One


Project Manager: Good morning . Sorry ? Yeah ,busy job . Good morning . So {disfmarker} Oh ,good morning everyone .User Interface: Goodmorning .Industrial Designer: Good morning.Project Manager: I'd uh like to welcome you toour first meeting . I've prepared a littlepresentation . My name is {gap} and uh I hopeyou will introduce yourself uh in a few minutes ,as will I . Um I'm the Project Manager of thisproject , and uh , well I will tell you {gap} onwhat actually is the project . This is uh theagenda for our first meeting . Um this is theopening , then we will get {disfmarker} {gap} Iwill hope we will get acquainted to each other .We'll do a little tool training with these twothings . We'll take a look at the project plan . Uhthere will be time for discussion . Actually wehave to discuss because we have to create aproduct . And then we will close this session . Umbut first of all we I'd like to uh introduce you tothis room . Um as you probably have noticedthere are little black uh fields on the table . Um


Professor E: So . OK . Doesn't look like it crashed. That 's great .Grad G: So I think maybe what 'scausing it to crash is I keep starting it and thenstopping it to see if it 's working . And so I thinkstarting it and then stopping it and starting itagain causes it to crash . So , I won't do thatanymore .Postdoc B: And it looks like you 'vefound a way of uh mapping the location to the{disfmarker} without having people have to givetheir names each time ?PhD A: Sounds like aninitialization thing .Postdoc B: I mean it 's likeyou have the {disfmarker} So you know that{disfmarker}Grad G: No .Postdoc B: I mean ,are you going to write down {pause} that I sathere ?Grad G: I 'm gonna collect the digit formsand write it down .Postdoc B: OK .PhD C: Oh ,OK .Grad G: So {disfmarker} So they should beright with what 's on the digit forms . OK , so I 'llgo ahead and start with digits . u And I shouldsay that uh , you just pau you just read each linean and then pause briefly .Professor E: And startby giving the transcript number .PhD A: TranPhD


Marketing: Is this okay ?Project Manager: Uhyeah . Fine now . Oh , it's not liking us , it wentthat-a-way . Computer adjusting . Oh . Uh .Okay . {vocalsound} So . Right . You ready backthere ? {vocalsound} Uh okay . Welcomeeveryone . Um this is the kick-off meeting for theday . Um we're the new group uh to create anew remote control for Real Reaction . As youcan see our agenda is to open up the meeting ,um become acquainted with each other , umhave a little training on tools , uh create a plan ,discuss things and and we only have twentyminut twenty five minutes total . Okay . The newremote control is to be original , trendy anduser-friendly . That , Steph , is your part , is theuser-friendliness . The originality um is gonnatake all of us . Um the trendiness we'll probablygo look at {disfmarker} for some marketingresearch information from you , Sarah . Um andwe'll get on with it . Okay , so we'll have afunctional design individual work um withmeeting and then conceptual design t and then


Project Manager: Right uh . So um . So where'sthe PowerPoint presentation ? Sorry ? MicrosoftPowerPoint , right . Right , okay . So . Right .Okay , so we've got uh so we've got new projectrequirements . Um . So basically we've got threethings , and we've got forty minutes in which touh {disfmarker} for this meeting to uh to discussthe various options . Um . Three presentations.Industrial Designer: We have a {disfmarker} Iguess we have a presentation each , 'cause I'vegot one . Um .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing:Yeah ,Project Manager: I see , right .Marketing:I've got one too .Project Manager: That's nice toknow , one from each of you . Um new projectrequirements . Um so do we want to do thepresentation first , or do we want to um{disfmarker} W I I got um {gap} or or threethings basically , um relating to the remote beingonly for T_V_ . We discussed that lasttimeIndustrial Designer: Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: and in actual fact that was pr prettywell what we came up with anyway .Marketing:


Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound} Je croixque c'est dommage de le {disfmarker} it will besad to destroy this prototype . It really looks likea banana .User Interface: {vocalsound} It is abanana .Project Manager: It is a banana .{vocalsound}User Interface: It is the essence ofbananas . I would be confused with this thing.Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Mm.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}UserInterface: SProject Manager: Okay .Marketing:Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}User Interface: How iseveryone ?Project Manager: Hi .IndustrialDesigner: Hi .Project Manager: So we are herefor the detailed design meeting .Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} So{vocalsound}User Interface: Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: we will uh {disfmarker} I will firstpresent what we are going to do in this meeting .Then uh I've {disfmarker} I will also take notesduring this meeting and I will send you uh asummary then as usual . We will then look at the


Project Manager: Good morning , again.Industrial Designer: One question .UserInterface: Yeah . {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Send .User Interface:Choose a number ? {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Submit . {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} Yep yep yep yep .Project Manager:All set ?Industrial Designer: Mm . Yeah.Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Good .Okay . Let's see what we can find here . Okay . Avery warm welcome again to everyone .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Umhere we are already at our uh functional designmeeting . Um and this is what we are going to do. The opening , which we are doing now , um andthe special note , I'm project manager but on themeetings I'm also the secretary , which means Iwill make uh minutes as I did of the previousmeeting .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: And uh I also putthese as fast as possible in the uh project folder ,so you can see them and review what we have


Grad E: OK , we 're on .Professor B: OK .Grad E:So , I mean , everyone who 's on the wirelesscheck that they 're on .PhD F: C we{disfmarker}Grad G: Alright .Postdoc C: I see .Yeah .PhD F: Yeah .Grad E: OK , our agenda wasquite short .Professor B: Oh , could you {pause}close the door , maybe ? Yeah .Grad E: Sure .Two items , which was , uh , digits and possiblystuff on {disfmarker} on , uh , forced alignment ,which Jane said that Liz and Andreas had ininformation on ,Professor B: Grad E: but theydidn't ,PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor B: I guessthe only other thing , uh , for which I{disfmarker}Grad E: so .PhD F: We should dothat second , because Liz might join us in timefor that .Grad E: OK .Professor B: Um . OK , sothere 's digits , alignments , and , um , I guessthe other thing , {vocalsound} which I cameunprepared for , uh , {vocalsound} is , uh , todis s s see if there 's anything anybody wants todiscuss about the Saturday meeting .Grad E:Right .Professor B: So . Any {disfmarker} I


Grad C: Now can you give me the uh {pause}remote T ?Professor D: OK , so Eva , co uh{disfmarker} could you read your numbers?Grad A: Go ahead and read . OK .Professor D:Yeah .Grad C: Alright .Professor D: Yeah , let 'sget started . Um {disfmarker} Hopefully Nancywill come , if not , she won't .Grad B: Uh , Robert, do you uh have any way to turn off your uhscreensaver on there so that it 's not going offevery {disfmarker} uh , it seems to have aboutat two minute {disfmarker}Grad C: Yeah , I 've{disfmarker} I {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} it's not that I didn't try .Grad B: OK .Grad C: andum I {disfmarker} I told it to stay on forever andever , but if it 's not plugged in it just doesn'tobey my commands .Grad B: OK .Grad C: It hasa mind .Grad B: Got it .Grad C: But I I just{disfmarker} You know , sort of keep onwiggling .Undergrad E: Wants to conserve .GradB: Yeah , OK .Grad C: But uh {disfmarker} we 'lljust be m m working on it at intensity so itdoesn't happen . We 'll see . Should we plunge


Project Manager: Okay , so now we are on theconceptual design meeting . {vocalsound} Uh ygetting close to the lastMarketing: Mm-hmm.Project Manager: is the penultim meeting .{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: How was lunch ?{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Mmgreat . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Thanks {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Marketing: Don't be sarcastic .{vocalsound} Mark . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: So {vocalsound} um I will again do thesecretary part uh we will have three presentationfirst um uh the industrial design , first Rama thenMark and then Sammy .Marketing: Uh Rama.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Ramaro.Project Manager: Um um we have to take adecision on the control {disfmarker} remotecontrol concepts and we have forty minutes.User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: So whatwe want to {disfmarker} the decision we want to


Grad A: Hey , you 're not supposed to bedrinking in here dude .Grad D: OK .Grad A: Dowe have to read them that slowly ? OK .Sounded like a robot . Um , this is tGrad C: OK.Grad A: When you read the numbers it kind ofreminded me of beat poetry .Grad D: I tried togo for the EE Cummings sort of feeling , but{disfmarker}Grad A: Three three six zero zero .Four two zero zero one seven . That 's what Ithink of when I think of beat poetry .Grad C:Beat poetry .Grad A: You ever seen " So Imarried an axe murderer " ?Grad C: Uh parts ofit .Grad D: Mm - hmm .Grad A: There 's a partwh there 's parts when he 's doing beat poetry.Grad C: Oh yeah ?Grad A: And he talks like that. That 's why I thi That uh probably is why I thinkof it that way .Grad D: Hmm . No , I didn't seethat movie . Who did {disfmarker} who madethat ?Grad A: Mike Meyers is the guy .Grad D:Oh . OK .Grad A: It - it 's his uh {disfmarker} it's his cute romantic comedy . That 's{disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} That 's his


PhD F: And we 're on .Professor D: OK . Mightwanna {vocalsound} close the door so that{disfmarker} Uh , Stephane will{disfmarker}PhD F: I 'll get it .Professor D:YeahPhD F: Hey Dave ? Could you go ahead andturn on , uh , Stephane 's {disfmarker}Grad C:Mm - hmm .Professor D: So that 's the virtualStephane over there .PhD F: OK .Professor G: Doyou use a PC for recording ? Or {disfmarker}PhDF: Uh , yeah , a Linux box . Yeah . It 's got , uh ,like sixteen channels going into it .Professor G:Uh - huh . Uh - huh . The quality is quite good ?Or {disfmarker} ?PhD F: Mm - hmm . Yeah , sofar , it 's been pretty good .Professor G: Mm -hmm .Professor D: Yeah . So , uh , yeah{disfmarker} the suggestion was to have theseguys start to {disfmarker}PhD F: OK . Why don'tyou go ahead , Dave ?Grad C: OK . Um , so ,yeah , the {disfmarker} this past week I 'vebeen main mainly occupied with , um , gettingsome results , u from the SRI system trained onthis short Hub - five training set for the mean


The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota(NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)): I call the meetingto order.  Welcome to the third meeting of theHouse of Commons Special Committee on theCOVID-19 Pandemic. Pursuant to the order ofreference of Monday, April20, the committee ismeeting for the purposes of consideringministerial announcements, allowing members topresent petitions, and questioning ministers ofthe crown, including the Prime Minister, inrespect of the COVID-19 pandemic. I understandthere's an agreement to observe a moment ofsilence in memory of the six members of theCanadian Armed Forces who lost their lives lastWednesday in a helicopter crash off the coast ofGreece.  We'll return to order. Colleagues, wemeet today to continue our discussion about howour country is dealing with the COVID-19pandemic. As we do, Canadians, like everyonearound the world, are doing their best to livetheir lives until things improve. Meanwhile, as welook towards the future, I believe that it is also


Project Manager: Alright , that did nothing . Okay. Welcome to the meeting everyone . Just gonnaattempt to make this into a slide show . Sorryguys .Marketing: You may have to do thefunction F_ eight thing .Project Manager: I did .Twice .Marketing: Oh , okay .{vocalsound}Project Manager: This'll just take amoment . {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay okay{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Or it won't .Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay we'll haveto deal with it like this then .Industrial Designer:Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Alright .Um . This is the first meeting uh for developingour , our new product . {gap} I'm Heather , I'myour Project Manager .Industrial Designer: Hello. {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . So um .So that was the opening .Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: The first thingwe'll do is get acquainted with one another . If


Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um{vocalsound} minutes from the last meetingwhich were essentially that we uh had decidedon roles for each of you , however , um there aresome changes that I've got from on highUserInterface: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager:that um are a bit uh {disfmarker} well w what Ididn't actually realise it was that the uh{vocalsound} this is for a specific television.User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: So theall in one idea goes out the window . And{vocalsound} they require that the uhUserInterface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: actuallyI'll get to that at the end {gap} point numberfour , um we'll get what you've got and then wecan see what we can adapt from it . So um ,presentations , were you {disfmarker} anybodygot , raring to go ?Marketing: Yeah . Yeah.Project Manager: Raring to go ? Okay . Goodstuff . Mm .Marketing: Um . So how{disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh I need to plugyou in . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:


Grad C: Yeah , we had a long discussion abouthow much w how easy we want to make it forpeople to bleep things out . So {disfmarker}Morgan wants to make it hard .PhD D: It{disfmarker} it doesn't {disfmarker}Grad C: Did{disfmarker} did {disfmarker} did it{disfmarker} ? I didn't even check yesterdaywhether it was moving .PhD D: It didn't moveyesterday either when I started it .Grad C: So.PhD D: So I don't know if it doesn't like both ofus {disfmarker}Grad C: Channel three ? Channelthree ?PhD D: You know , I discoveredsomething yesterday on these , um , wirelessones .Grad B: Channel two .Grad C: Mm - hmm?PhD D: You can tell if it 's picking up {pause}breath noise and stuff .Grad C: Yeah , it has alittle indicator on it {disfmarker} on the AF .PhDD: Mm - hmm . So if you {disfmarker} yeah , ifyou breathe under {disfmarker} breathe andthen you see AF go off , then you know {pause}it 's p picking up your mouth noise .PhD F: Oh ,that 's good . Cuz we have a lot of breath noises


Project Manager: Excellent . So um I sent youthe agenda , it was on the {disfmarker} in theproject documents . I don't know if you got achance to just have a look at it . Anyway , it's{disfmarker} the meeting's gonna follow more orless the same structure as last time , so we'll goround each of you in turn and you can give yourpresentations on what you've been up to . Umand at the end of that we need to discuss whatyou've come up with , so that we can make adecision on the key remote control concepts , sothat's {disfmarker} we need to know about thecomponents' properties , materials , the userinterface and any trends that the MarketingExpert has been watching .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Right .Project Manager: Okay . Um, do you wanna start again ?Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Okay .Project Manager: Let me{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Right s{vocalsound}Project Manager: we've got fortyminutes .Industrial Designer: so I haven't madea PowerPoint presentation ,Project Manager:


User Interface: .. .Project Manager: Okay . So ,this is uh first meeting of this design project .Um and I um like to show you the agenda for themeeting , I don't know if it was sent round to allof you .User Interface: Mm , yeah .ProjectManager: Maybe not . Anyway ,User Interface: Ididn't receive it yet {vocalsound} .ProjectManager: this is the the plan for today's meetingis um firstly just to introduce the project briefly ,um although I'm sure you've actually got someof the information already . Then the mainpurpose is to {disfmarker} so that we get toknow each other a little bit more .IndustrialDesigner: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Um thenwe want to practice using some of the tools thatwe'll be using during the the course of the designproject and the meetings , um specifically thewhiteboard over there . Um then we need to gothrough the specifics of our project plan um anddiscuss {disfmarker} come up with somepreliminary ideas about it . And then that's it . Sowe've got twenty five minutes to do that , that's


PhD F: OK .Professor B: Uh . Somebody elseshould run this . I 'm sick of being the one to sortof go through and say , " Well , what do youthink about this ? " You wanna {disfmarker}?PhD D: Yeah .PhD F: Should we take turns ?You want me to run it today ?Professor B: Yeah .Why don't you run it today ? OK .PhD F: OK . OK. Um . Let 's see , maybe we should just get a listof items {disfmarker} things that we should talkabout . Um , I guess there 's the usual {pause}updates , everybody going around and saying ,uh , you know , what they 're working on , thethings that happened the last week . But asidefrom that is there anything in particular thatanybody wants to bring upPhD D: Mmm .PhD F:for today ? No ? OK . So why don't we justaround and people can give updates .PhD E: Oh.PhD F: Uh , do you want to start , Stephane?PhD C: Alright . Um . Well , the first thingmaybe is that the p Eurospeech paper is , uh ,accepted . Um . Yeah .PhD F: This is{disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what do you ,


Project Manager: All hooked up . {vocalsound}Okay , so now we are here at the functionaldesign meeting . Um {vocalsound} hopefully thismeeting I'll be doing a little bit less talking than Idid last time 'cause this is when you get to showus what you've been doing individually . Theagenda for the meeting , I put it in the sh shareddocuments folder . I don't know if that meantthat you could see it or not .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Did anyone?Industrial Designer: Mm .User Interface: No.Project Manager: No . Oh well . Um I'll try anddo that for the next meeting as well so if youcheck in there , there's a shared projectdocuments folder . Um and it should be in there.User Interface: Mm . Um um wi on on a what ?Oh project project documents , yeah , yeah ,yeah , okay .Project Manager: Project documents, yeah . So I'll put it in there .User Interface: Ohokay , yeah .Project Manager: Is it best if I sendyou an email maybe , to let you know it's there?User Interface: Yes , I think so .Project


Project Manager: Hello .Marketing: Hey guys.User Interface: Hi .Industrial Designer: Hi.Project Manager: Hi .Industrial Designer: I seemy bunny is still standing .Project Manager:Yeah .Industrial Designer: No one drawing it.Project Manager: It's too beautiful .UserInterface: Yeah , true .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Uh I figured uh that much .{vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: Too wicked .UserInterface: Mm .Marketing: {vocalsound}{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: Aminute please , my uh laptop is uh {disfmarker}oh , there it is , thank you . So welcome back .{vocalsound} At the functional design meetingum the plan is uh that uh each one of you , sonot me but only you uh will uh present uh thethe things you worked on uh the last uh half hour. I will uh take minutes and will put uh theminutes that I have uh at the end of the sessionin the shared folder . {vocalsound} Also theminutes of the previous session are also in the


Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone.Welcome to the Children, Young People andEducation Committee this morning. I havereceived apologies for absence from JackSargeant, and I'm very pleased to welcome VikkiHowells, who is substituting for Jack thismorning. Can I ask whether there are anydeclarations of interest from Members, please?No. Okay. Thank you. Item 2 this morning is ourlast evidence session on the Children (Abolitionof Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales)Bill, and I'm really pleased to welcome back JulieMorgan AM, Deputy Minister for Health andSocial Services; Karen Cornish, who is deputydirector of the children and families division; andEmma Gammon, who is the lawyer working onthe Bill. So, thank you all for coming. If you'rehappy, we'll go straight into questions becausewe've got lots of ground that we want to cover,and the first questions are from JanetFinch-Saunders.Janet Finch-Saunders AM: Goodmorning. Thank you, Chair. Good morning,


Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Hmm.Project Manager: Okay . Good morningeverybody . Um I'm glad you could all come . I'mreally excited to start this team . Um I'm justgonna have a little PowerPoint presentation forus , for our kick-off meeting . My name is RoseLindgren . I I'll be the Project Manager . Um ouragenda today is we are gonna do a little openingand then I'm gonna talk a little bit about theproject , then we'll move into acquaintance suchas getting to know each other a little bit ,including a tool training exercise . And then we'llmove into the project plan , do a little discussionand close , since we only have twenty fiveminutes . First of all our project aim . Um we arecreating a new remote control which we havethree goals about , it needs to be original ,trendy and user-friendly . I'm hoping that we canall work together to achieve all three of those .Um so we're gonna divide us up into three


Project Manager: {vocalsound} Alright , yeah .{gap} crack on {gap} . Okay so we'll start offwith a quick overview of the minutes . I think tosum up the last meeting , would be to say umthe requirements that we've um set out . Thoseare we were going to go for what seemed to be afairly minimal design based on uh a smalljoystick , {vocalsound} L_C_D_ and a couple ofother buttons for navigation um with powerbeing I suppose one of the main single purposebuttons . Um we were also going to use {gap}novelty of being able to locate the remote controlagain via a small transmitter with any luck , theidea to try and separate us and also because ofthe minimal design um looks like we'll be able tobe fairly adventurous in the actual physicalshape of our remote control with any luck . Umthat pretty much sums up the last one . So we'lljust crack on , um like to maybe start with theIndustrial Designer if it's possible .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Uh uh okay .ProjectManager: Um uh the con today is the concep


PhD E: OK .Professor B: OK , so {pause} We{disfmarker} we had a meeting with , uh{disfmarker} with Hynek , um , in {disfmarker}in which , uh , uh , Sunil and Stephane , uh{vocalsound} summarized where they were and{disfmarker} and , uh , talked about where wewere gonna go . So that {disfmarker} thathappened sort of mid - week . Uh .PhD E: D did{disfmarker} did you guys get your code pushedtogether ?PhD D: Oh , yeah . Yeah . It 's{disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker}it was updated yesterday ,PhD E: Cool .PhD D:right ?PhD A: Yeah .PhD D: Yeah .PhD A: Youprobably received the mail .PhD E: Oh , right , Isaw {disfmarker} I saw the note .PhD A: Yeah.PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: What was theupdate ?PhD A: What was the update ? So thereis th then {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} all thenew features that go in .Professor B: Yeah .PhDA: The , um , noise suppression , the re -synthesis of speech after suppression . These arethe {disfmarker}PhD E: Is the , um


PhD B: We 're , I mean {pause} we{disfmarker} We didn't have a house before.Professor D: Yeah . Yeah .PhD E: OK .ProfessorD: We 're on again ? OK .PhD A: Mm - hmm .That is really great .Grad H: Yeah , so if {pause}uh {disfmarker} {pause} So if anyone hasn'tsigned the consent form , please do so .PhD A:That 's terrific .PhD B: Oh , yeah !Professor D:OKGrad H: The new consent form . The new andimproved consent form .PhD A: Now you won'tbe able to walk or ride your bike , huh ?ProfessorD: OK .Postdoc F: Uh .PhD B: Right .Professor D:OK .Grad H: And uh , shall I go ahead and dosome digits ?Professor D: Uh , we were gonna dothat at the end , remember ?Grad H: OK ,whatever you want .Professor D: Yeah . Just{disfmarker} just to be consistent , from here onin at least , that {disfmarker} {pause} that we 'lldo it at the end .PhD B: The new consent form.Grad H: It 's uh {disfmarker} {pause} Yeah , itdoesn't matter . OK .Professor D: OK Um Well , itju I mean it might be that someone here has to


Project Manager: Alright ? Alright . Thank you forcoming to this third meeting of the uh uh designgroup . Um I think we uh made some definiteprogress at the last one um and come up withsome interesting uh uh w suggestions for our ournew remote control . Um I'll again very quicklyuh just present some notes of that meeting . Um{vocalsound} the the the problem with existingremote controls , we felt , was that they're uglyum and that people are prepared to pay apremium for something better . Um they've gotlots of buttons on them that uh people don't useand find difficult to learn . Um and people losethem . And {vocalsound} We we thought that ffor our our new uh uh remote control thateverybody will want to rush out and buy , um{vocalsound} that we're {disfmarker}{vocalsound} we should look at speechrecognition rather than r rather than buttons ,and that if we have any buttons they should bevery few of them and only for those functionsthat are actually identified that that people use .


Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone.Welcome to the Children, Young People andEducation Committee this morning. I've receivedapologies for absence from Siân Gwenllian, andI'm very pleased to welcome Helen Mary Jones,who is substituting for Siân today. Can I askwhether Members want to declare any interests,please? Can I just, then, place on record that Ihave got a son who was about to do A-levels, sois affected by the exam decision? We'll move on,then, to our substantive item today, which is anevidence session with the Welsh Governmentaround the impact of the coronavirus pandemicon education in Wales. I'm very pleased towelcome Kirsty Williams, Minister for Education;Steve Davies, who is director of the educationdirectorate; Huw Morris, who is the groupdirector, skills, higher education and lifelonglearning; and Rob Orford, who is the chiefscientific adviser for health. Thank you all forcoming. We know that this is a really difficult andpressurised time for everyone, and we


Marketing: Right first time this time . Nu Therewe go . It's not that complicated , but I get itwrong every time . {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Okay so we are just waiting forMatthew {gap} .Marketing: For Matthew , yep.Project Manager: Mm . Uh {disfmarker} So Isuggest we start the meeting uh withoutMatthew uhMarketing: Mm-hmm .IndustrialDesigner: Mm 'kay .Project Manager: he's uhobviously late for some reason . {vocalsound}Good . Um . Today uh we will uh talk about uhconceptual design . I hope uh you both did someuh some work uh concerning a uh conceptualdesign .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager:Um this will be the uh agenda for the meeting uh{gap} . Uh I will take some minutes uh again.Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Um wewill have the presentations of y of you differentteam members ,Marketing: Yep .IndustrialDesigner: Yep .Project Manager: and then try tocome to decisions uh about the concepts uh youhave presented . So and that uh will uh


Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I'm proud of it. {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . This is ourfinal meeting , the detailed design meeting . Andagain I'll take minutes . The {disfmarker} whatwe have to get through in this meeting is firstlythe prototype presentation from you two , so youcan show us what you've been working on sodiligently .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Itdoes look very cool .Project Manager: UmthenIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} then Cat's going topresent the evaluation criteria that we're goingto be evaluating this against .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Then I need tosay some st a few things about finance , 'causewe have to check that it's within the financecriteria . Um and then we'll be making sure thatour product fits both the evaluation criteria fromCat and the financial limits . Um and then we uhwill have a brief evaluation of the whole processof production and design that we've been


Project Manager: SoMarketing: So{disfmarker}Project Manager: I hope you'reready for this uh functional design meeting.Marketing: Of course . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Um so I will take the minutes you mmyou three are going to do presentation . Um uhwe want to know {disfmarker} to {disfmarker}at the end to know the new project'srequirement so we need uh to know the the useruh needs that we want to fulfil to fulfil the{disfmarker} from the technical part we want toknow how it going to work and um third part{vocalsound} uh I don't remember{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Project Manager: which is not verygood . Ah of course , how to to design this uhthis {disfmarker}Marketing: Nice stuff{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}yeah . So um let's go for the three presentations, so first um Marketing Expert .Marketing:{vocalsound} Who starts ? {vocalsound} Oh . Ha. okay .Project Manager: So wait a minute . Mm


The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota(NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)): I call this meetingto order. Welcome to the 12th meeting of theHouse of Commons Special Committee on theCOVID-19 Pandemic. This will be the first hybridmeeting of the committee. Some members willbe participating via videoconference and somewill be participating in person. This follows theorder made by the House on May26,2020.Members who have already participated in avirtual meeting of the special committee mayactually not notice any change, except for thefact that some members are also participatingfrom the floor of the House. An additional rubric,that of statements by members, was also addedto the proceedings of the committee. In order toensure that those joining the meeting via videoconference can be seen and heard by those inthe chamber, two screens have been set up inthe chamber on either side of the Speakers chair.Sound amplification for virtual interventions willbe available, and members in the chamber can


Project Manager: Okay . So welcome back.Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Whatdo {gap} {disfmarker} do we have to do ?{vocalsound}Marketing: {gap} .ProjectManager: So first . I want to say I'm thesecretary , so I make the minutes . You findthem in your {disfmarker} in the map in theFrom the group . There's the minutes from thefirst meeting . You'll find the next minutes alsothere . Then {vocalsound} I wanna hear fromyou , what you've done . And after that I havesome new product requirements . So{disfmarker} And after that we have to makedecisions , what we will do . And then we'reready . We have forty minutes for this meeting .After that we'll have lunch . So first I wanna askthe {disfmarker} {vocalsound} IndustrialDesigner to tell what he did . So{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: That's my task. Okay . Uh I've {disfmarker} Where have I putit ? My Documents or not ? Hmm . I've save it onmy computer , my presentation .Project


Project Manager: Okay uh Agnes , you can helpme for the slide when {gap}User Interface: Yep .Sure .Project Manager: okay . Okay , welcomeback . I hope uh you have a fresh head and afresh time . How t now the meeting actually wegathering here to discuss about the functionaldesign meeting . Okay , and uh we'll issue someinformation from uh all of you . And it's in the , Ithink uh , in the sharing folder . And uh I willinvite uh the Christine and the Ed and uh Agnesto discuss about on the various subjects . So canyou go to the next slide ? Yeah uh the agenda ofthe meeting is opening . Then uh I'm going totalk about uh the project management , what I'mgoing to do , and uh , of course , I'm doing theproject management and secretary both , okay ,to take the minutes of the meeting . And thereare three presentations . One is uh new projectrequirements . And the second one about uhdecision on remote control functions . And uhfinally we are closing . Uh and the meeting timewill be uh forty minutes , so you have to be very


Lynne Neagle AM: Okay. Good morning,everyone. Welcome to the Children, YoungPeople and Education Committee. We've receivedapologies for absence from Suzy Davies and JackSargeant and I'm very pleased to welcome JayneBryant back, who is substituting for Jack today.Are there any declarations of interest fromMembers, please? No. Okay, thank you. Item 2,then, this morning, is our sixth scrutiny sessionon the Children (Abolition of Defence ofReasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill. I'm verypleased to welcome our witnesses this morning:Sally Jenkins, who is chair of All Wales Heads ofChildren’s Services and is here representing theAssociation of Directors of Social Services;Alastair Birch, who is senior system leader forequalities and safeguarding at PembrokeshireCounty Council, who is here representing theAssociation of Directors of Education Wales; andCouncillor Huw David, who is the Welsh LocalGovernment Association spokesperson for healthand social care and leader of Bridgend County


PhD B: OK . We 're on .Grad E: Hello ?ProfessorA: OK , so uh {vocalsound} had some interestingmail from uh Dan Ellis . Actually , I think he{disfmarker} he {vocalsound} redirected it toeverybody also so uh {vocalsound} the PDAmikes uh have a big bunch of energy at{disfmarker} at uh five hertz uh where this cameup was that uh I was showing off these waveforms that we have on the web and {disfmarker}and uh {vocalsound} I just sort of hadn't noticedthis , but that {disfmarker} the major , majorcomponent in the wave {disfmarker} in thesecond wave form in that pair of wave forms isactually the air conditioner .Grad C: Huh.Professor A: So . So . I {vocalsound}{vocalsound} I have to be more careful aboutusing that as a {disfmarker} as a {disfmarker}{vocalsound} as a good illustration , uh , in factit 's not , of uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} of theeffects of room reverberation . It is isn't a badillustration of the effects of uh room noise .{vocalsound} on {disfmarker} on uh some


Industrial Designer: 'S to do now is to decidehow to fulfil what your stuff is ,Marketing: Yeah.Industrial Designer: so in that sense{disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .Marketing:Yeah , sure .Industrial Designer: so it does kindof make sense , yeah .Project Manager: Okay ,well {disfmarker}Marketing: It kinda does makesense , doesn't it , because when we get into theend of meeting we're kind of {vocalsound}talking about action and design as opposed tobackground .Industrial Designer: Yep .ProjectManager: Okay .Marketing: Everything I have iskinda background .Project Manager: Okay we allready to go ?Industrial Designer: Yep .ProjectManager: Well how um on the {disfmarker} inthis meeting then if we um {disfmarker} I'll justjust recap on the minutes from the last meeting .And we uh decided onIndustrial Designer: Yep.Project Manager: decided on our our targetgroup being fifteen to thirty five ,Marketing:{vocalsound} Mm-hmm .Project Manager: andwe decided that it was gonna be


Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone.Welcome to the Children, Young People andEducation Committee. We've received apologiesfor absence from Julie Morgan, and I'm verypleased to welcome David Rees, who issubstituting for her today. Can I ask Memberswhether there are any declarations of interest,please? No. Okay. Thank you very much. Item 2this morning, then, is a session with the Ministerfor Children and Social Care on the WelshGovernment's childcare offer. So, I'm verypleased to welcome Huw Irranca-Davies, Ministerfor Children and Social Care, also Jo-AnneDaniels, director for communities and tacklingpoverty, and Owain Lloyd, deputy director forchildcare, play and early years. So, thank you,all, for your attendance. If you're happy, we'll gostraight into questions from Members, and thefirst questions come from Hefin David.HefinDavid AM: Good morning, Minister. How has itgone in the early implementer local authorityareas, and is it something of a mixed bag?Huw


User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Oryou get it . Okay .User Interface: No I don't thinkso it has to be like that yeah and you have toadjust the length . Okay , and then .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} So we uh {disfmarker}we will wait for Anna , a few minutes .UserInterface: Yeah , s yeah , um .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Mm {vocalsound} .Yours is well {disfmarker} {vocalsound}UserInterface: I think you can put anywhere youwant , actually . I thinIndustrial Designer: Yeahbut the the mic should not {disfmarker}UserInterface: It's not a directional mic , anyway.Project Manager: I think it should work like this.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}UserInterface: Uh .Project Manager: So I will try toget my presentation running .User Interface:Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .ProjectManager: Mm .Industrial Designer: Mm . Can'thelp you with that .User Interface: Last .ProjectManager: It's no matter .Industrial Designer:Okay , it's y yeah .Project Manager: No problem .


Project Manager: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Rightwell . Welcome to the {disfmarker} what shouldbe the last of these meetings and uh it looks likewe've uh done a good job here and uh we'll justgo through the the final uh the final details . Umokay , oh the um th the the minutes of the lastmeeting uh I think we'll take those as read , um{disfmarker} OkayIndustrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: the um th the thenext uh thing we we we'll have a look at the uhth have a look at the prototypes and uh look atthe uh evaluation criteria and finance and thenuh uh just tidy up with production and um andthen we can close . Um So f if if you'd like to uhpresent your your proposals .Industrial Designer:Uh okay we basically have the same kindalay-out here it's just um you hold it like this andit gets kinda moulded to the to the shape of yourhand , basically . Um on the left we've got thescroll for the volume , on the right we havebuttons for the channels up and down and that


Project Manager: Okay everybody is ready ?{vocalsound} Good morning again . So , todaywe are going to have a f second meeting . OhMichael , hi .User Interface: Yep .ProjectManager: You're late . You have a good reasonfor that ?User Interface: {vocalsound} Yes.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Very good {vocalsound}. {vocalsound} Okay , let's have a look to theagenda today . {vocalsound} So , we are goingto have a meeting about the functional design .Um so first before starting I w just going to uh togo quickly to {disfmarker} through the minutesof previous meeting . So uh {vocalsound}basically we we are not decided if w we shouldgo for a universal or specific uh uh remotecontrol , but I have new um new i inputs for{disfmarker} about that topics . I goin I'm goingto share with you . {vocalsound} And uhbasically we decided to um to uh go to individualactions for each of you uh so um IndustrialDesigner should wor was supposed to work on th


Professor A:  Am I on ? I guess so . Radio two .Hmm . Radio two .Grad E: Hello ?Professor A:Wow .Grad E: Mm - hmm . Hi ?PhD B: Blow intoit , it works really well .Grad F: Channel B.Professor A: People say the strangest thingswhen their microphones are on .PhD D: Channelfour . Test .PhD C: Uh - oh .PhD D: OK .PhD C:Radio four .Grad E: Hello ?Professor A: Soeverybody everybody 's on ?PhD D: Today'sProfessor A: Yeah . So y you guys had a{disfmarker} a meeting with uh {disfmarker}with Hynek which I unfortunately had to miss .Um and uh somebodyPhD C: Mmm .Professor A:eh e and uh I guess Chuck you weren't thereeither , so the uhPhD B: I was there .ProfessorA: Oh you were there ?PhD B: With Hynek?Professor A: Yeah .PhD B: Yeah .Professor A: Soeverybody knows what happened except me . OK. {vocalsound} Maybe somebody should tell me.PhD C: Oh yeah . Alright . Well . Uh first wediscussed about some of the points that I wasaddressing in the mail I sent last week .Professor


Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Um almost , there's one more thing Ihave to get out of the {disfmarker} I have tomake sure that this attachment will open.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I keepforgetting whether I've done this . {gap} .ProjectManager: Ah-ha . Okay . We'll open that whenthe time is right . In the meantime {disfmarker}Closing things down , okay . Let's see what thisthing does . Does it come up together ordisappear one of them or what ? Ah , we cameup together , we're good . Okay . Are we readyto start ? Okay . It's now quarter of four . This isa f another forty minute one so it will end at fourtwenty five . Okay . Right . Our agenda is , asbefore , for me to open the meeting , for us to goover the previous minutes , then for the two ofyou to present your prototype and for you to gum Sarah present the evaluation criteria . Wethen have a finance aspect , which is aspreadsheet , an Excel spreadsheet . And I knowwhat you're all thinking of , oh my , um because


User Interface: Here we go again .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} My mouse is notworking anymore .User Interface: {vocalsound}Oh .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} He's uh{disfmarker}Marketing: Oh .User Interface:Okay .Industrial Designer: when I put it in , is isgoing to beep beep beep .Marketing: Oh , I got anice little screen here over here .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} I got likethis big black border uh on every side .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay.User Interface: Mm , okay .Project Manager:Everybody ready ?Marketing: {vocalsound} I'llI'll fix it .User Interface: Yeah , it's okay .ProjectManager: Welcome at the functional designmeeting , again presented by Maarten.Marketing: Yeah , whatever .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Uh this is the agenda , the opening .Uh , we've got three presentations . And I'mgonna show you some of the new projectsrequirements that were sent to me . And we're


Project Manager: Right , so start of the firstmeeting .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Uh . Right , so agenda of the firstmeeting . Where we uh {disfmarker} We havetwenty five minutes for this meeting .IndustrialDesigner: Okay .Project Manager: We uh are toget acquainted . So does everyone want to saywho they are ? {gap} that seem sensible?Marketing: Yeah . I'm Robin . I'm the MarketingManager .User Interface: I'm Louisa . I'm theUser Interface Designer .Industrial Designer: I'mNick . I am the Industrial Designer .ProjectManager: And I'm Alastair and I'm the projectleader . {vocalsound} Alright okay , so tooltraining . Um . {vocalsound} Project plan . Sodoes anyone have any uh thoughts as to the tooltraining that uh is required ?Industrial Designer:Tool trainingUser Interface: I'm not exactly surewhat you mean by tool training .ProjectManager: Neither am I {gap} .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Oh I see , so we shouldn't really be


Project Manager: Okay , welcome everyone toour next meeting . I'm busy writing and busyleading the meeting , but um I've prepared alittle presentation once again um or at least anagenda I think uh the biggest part of thepresentation will be uh on your side . Um we arehere at the conceptual design meeting , which ishereby opened . Um once again I will try to uhwrite some minutes which I just from theprevious meeting uh placed inside our projectfolder , which was quite some typing . Um todaywe once again have uh three presentations , ifI'm right , and after that we will take a decisionon the remote control concepts . And just as thelast time we have forty minutes to accomplishthat . Okay , wellIndustrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: I'd say let's startwith the first presentation .Marketing: 'Kay.Project Manager: Um in the same order as lasttime ?Industrial Designer: W sure .UserInterface: Mm . Alright .Project Manager: Okay .Well , take it away .User Interface:


Project Manager: Okay , is everybody ready?Industrial Designer: Yeah ?Marketing: Yeah I'dto just put on my microphone here and I'll beright with you .Project Manager: Mm-hmm.Marketing: Okay ?Project Manager: Um{vocalsound} I take it you all have receivedinstructions as to what you were supposed todoIndustrial Designer: Mm ?User Interface: Yes.Project Manager: and um I think the MarketingManager probably should go first , addressingthe needs and desires .Marketing: {vocalsound}Okay you want me to start right now ?ProjectManager: Yeah , mm-hmm .Marketing: Okay.Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Well ,could you um put my slides up 'cause I think itmight be helpful if uh we looked at the slides atthe same time .Project Manager: Okay . You'reparticipant four .Marketing: I'm participant four Ibelieve . Yes uh-huh .Project Manager: Okay ,and now I can uh full screen .Marketing: 'Kay.Industrial Designer: Open .Project Manager: Uh, okay , okay .Marketing: There we go . Okay


Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh .UserInterface: DuProject Manager: Okay . Thanks forcoming to this meeting .Marketing: Hm .ProjectManager: S how we doing on our remote ?UserInterface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Wehave some {disfmarker} we have some ideasand some uh ideas for what people want .UserInterface: Uh we yes s I've lo{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}UserInterface: I've done the role that I was asked todo anyway .Project Manager: Yeah .UserInterface: {vocalsound} I think .Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Alright let's just go over the agenda real quickfor this meeting . See if I can't get things uhmoving along here a little bit better . Um I'll goover what we went over last time , whichshouldn't take long . Then I believe each of youhave a presentation . Um I've was sent a acouple more requirements for our remote , whatthey want . Um then we can come to aconclusion on uh what we want the remote to do


Grad F: Test .Postdoc G: OK .Professor B: Let 'ssee , I should be Two .PhD D: Up high{disfmarker}Grad E: As close to your mouth asyou can get it .Professor B: LaPhD D: high as youcan get .Professor B: Is this channel one?Postdoc G: Yeah , on your upper lip .PhD H:Channel one one one .Professor B: Gee , OK .Yes . OK .Grad E: OK , so for {disfmarker} for{disfmarker} For people wearing the wirelessmikes , like {disfmarker} like this one , I find theeasiest way to wear it is sorta this {disfmarker}this sorta like that .PhD H: This is {disfmarker}chan channel channel one one two threeGrad F:Channel five , channel five .Professor B: Yeah .Mm - hmm . What do you do ,Grad E: It 'sactually a lot more comfortable then if you try toput it over your temples ,Grad F: Test , test test.Professor B: you do it higher ?Grad E: so{disfmarker}Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD D:Adam 's just trying to generate good uh data forthe recognizer there .Postdoc G: Yeah , I thinkwe 're supposed to {disfmarker} that 's right


Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone, andwelcome to the Children, Young People andEducation Committee. We've received apologiesfor absence from Janet Finch-Saunders. I'd liketo take this opportunity to welcome Suzy Daviesto the committee, and to thank Mark Recklessand Darren Millar, who have left us, for theirservice and hard work as members of thecommittee. Can I ask whether there are anydeclarations of interest, please? No. Okay. Wewill move on then to our evidence session on ourinquiry into the impact of Brexit on higher andfurther education. I'm very pleased to welcomeKirsty Williams, Cabinet Secretary for Education,and Eluned Morgan AM, Minister for WelshLanguage and Lifelong Learning. Can I just askyou to introduce your officials for the record,please?Kirsty Williams AM: Bore da, Lynne, andthank you for the invitation to join you. Elunedand I are joined this morning by Huw Morris,who's the group director at SHELL—skills, highereducation and lifelong learning—and Marie Knox,


Grad B: Grad D: How many batteries do you gothrough ?Grad B: Thank you .Professor C: Alright.PhD A: Sure .Professor C: Good . Yeah . OK so ,let 's get started . Nancy said she 's coming andthat means she will be . Um . My suggestion isthat Robert and Johno sort of give us a report onlast week 's adventures uh to start . Soeverybody knows there were these guys f uhfrom Heidelber - uh , uh , actually from uh DFKIuh , part of the German SmartKom project , whowere here for the week and , I think got a lotdone .Grad E: Yeah , I think so too . Um . The{disfmarker} we got to the point where we cannow speak into the SmartKom system , and it 'llgo all the way through and then say somethinglike " Roman numeral one , am Smarticus . " Itactually says , " Roemisch einz , am Smarticus ,"Grad B: OK .Grad E: which means it 's justusing a German sythesis module for Englishsentences .Grad B: OK .Grad E: So uh ,ProfessorC: It doesn't know " I " .Grad B: OK .Grad E: Um, the uhGrad B: Oh , Am Spartacus . "Grad D: " I


Project Manager: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:Okay .Project Manager: Okay everyone's ready.User Interface: Hello .Project Manager: So weare here for uh for uh functional design .UserInterface: {gap}Project Manager: Okay ? So weare here for the functional design meeting mm{vocalsound} so first I will show the agenda sowe will uh I will take notes during this meetingso I will try to summarise it and put thatsummary in the shared folder if you want to lookat it afterwardsUser Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: so then uh eachof you will uh lead a presentation on the taskthat has been required last time so userrequirement specification , technical functiondesign and working design . Then I will uhpresent you some new project requirements Ireceived from uh the management board . Thenwe will take uh the decision on on the remotecontrol uh needed functions and then I will


Grad A: Yeah , I think I got my mike on . OK .Let 's see .Professor B: OK . Ami , do yours thenwe 'll open it and I think it 'll be enough .Grad A:Mmm {disfmarker} Doesn't , uh {disfmarker} Itshould be the other way . Yeah , now it 's on.PhD F: Right . OK .Professor B: OK . So , we allswitched on ?Grad A: We are all switched on ,yeah .Professor B: Alright . Anyway . So , uh ,before we get started with the , uh , technicalpart , I just want to review what I think ishappening with the {disfmarker} our datacollection .PhD F: We are all switched on.Professor B: So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Uh ,probably after today , {vocalsound} thatshouldn't come up in this meeting . Th - this{disfmarker} this is s should be im it isn't{disfmarker} There 's another thing going on ofgathering data , and that 's pretty muchindependent of this . But , uh , I just want tomake sure we 're all together on this . What wethink is gonna happen is that , uh , in parallelstarting about now {vocalsound} we 're gonna


Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Okay , welcome to the second meetingof this uh design group . Um {vocalsound} I'llbriefly go through the uh notes of the of the lastmeeting uh just done in in note form and Ihaven't attributed anything to individuals ,because we're working strictly as a team hereand uh n nobody's working equally ,UserInterface: Sorry .Project Manager: so uh . Umwe we s we saw that the the problems withexisting remote controls were the uh b a boringshape and boring colour . Um and and we s wesaw that the um what we needed to do was to tomake sure the device um controls several items ,that switching was easy , that you shouldn't needto point the thing at uh anything in particular ,um that it need to be contoured to make itinteresting , that the keys might be concave ,simply because that hasn't been done before thatwe know of . Um should have interchangeablefascias so people can personalise it , umilluminated so that people can see it in dark


Grad G: headphones that aren't souncomfortable .PhD B: I think {disfmarker} Well, this should be off the record ,Professor D: Hmm.PhD B: but I think {disfmarker}Professor D: Uh, OK .Professor A: We 're not recording yet , arewe ?Grad G: Well , I don't think{disfmarker}PhD F: No , uh , that {disfmarker}that wasn't recorded .Grad G: No . Um , I don'tthink they 're designed to be over your ears .PhDB: Yeah , I know . It just {disfmarker} it reallyhurts . It gives you a headache , like if you{disfmarker} On your temple {disfmarker}PhDF: Temple squeezers .PhD B: Yeah .Grad G: Yep.PhD B: Yeah .Professor D: Mm - hmm .Grad G:But I definitely {pause} haven't figured it out.Professor A: Um , Meeting Recorder meeting.PhD F: I guess I have to d stop doing this sighof contentment , you know , after sippingcappuccino or something .PhD B: Yeah , with the{disfmarker} We kno I know .Grad G: " Sip ,sigh . "PhD B: We know exactly how much youhave left in your cup .PhD F: I was just noticing a


Grad G: Time .Grad C: Thanks .Grad G: Are youFey ?Undergrad D: I am Fey , yeah .Grad G: Oh.Grad B: What day is today ?Undergrad D: Hi.Grad G: Hi . I think we 've met before , like , Iremember talking to you about Aspect orsomething like that at some point or other.Undergrad D: A couple times yeah .Grad F: It 'sthe uh twenty {disfmarker} nineteenth .Grad B:Nineteenth ?Undergrad D: That 's right , yeah.Grad G: So .Undergrad D: And you were my GSIbriefly , until I dropped the class .Grad F: GradB: Right , right .Grad G: Oh that 's right.Undergrad D: But .Grad G: Well .Grad C: OK ,wh whGrad G: No offense .Grad C: Yeah .GradG: Like .Grad C: OK . Some in someintroductions are in order .Grad G: Oh , OK sorry.Grad C: OK .Grad G: Getting ahead of myself.Grad C: So . Um . For those who don't know{disfmarker} Everyone knows me , this is great .Um , apart from that , sort of the old gang ,Johno and Bhaskara have been with us from{disfmarker} from day oneGrad G: Yay !Grad E:


Project Manager: Good .Industrial Designer:Beep . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Oh .ProjectManager: So well uhUser Interface: What?Project Manager: welcome everyone .UserInterface: Yeah .Project Manager: Um as youmay have noticed I uhUser Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: created separatefolders because it was uh tending to get a littlebusy in our uh shared project documents uhfolder .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Idon't know if everybody uh put their own uhdocuments in the right folder , which is for nowthe detailed design meeting .Marketing: That'snew one ?Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface:We didn't make any uh {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: Uh , we should save that one .{vocalsound}User Interface: Oh in{disfmarker}Project Manager: Then I'll movethis one .User Interface: Didn't we just do that?Industrial Designer: Yeah , save in the folder .Save as project .User Interface: Oh .Project


Lynne Neagle AM: Okay. Good morning,everyone. Welcome to the Children, YoungPeople and Education Committee. We've receivedapologies for absence from JanetFinch-Saunders, and also from Dawn Bowden,and I'd like to welcome Huw Irranca-Davies, whois substituting for Dawn Bowden. Can I askMembers if there are any declarations of interest,please? No. Okay. We'll move on, then, to ourevidence session for our inquiry on schoolimprovement and raising standards. I'd like towelcome Kirsty Williams AM, Minister forEducation, and Steve Davies, director ofeducation. Thank you both for attending and foryour detailed paper in advance of the meeting.We've got a lot of ground to cover, so we'll gostraight into questions, if that's okay. If I canjust start by asking you: to what extent is theOrganisation for Economic Co-operation andDevelopment still involved in the WelshGovernment's school improvementjourney?Kirsty Williams AM: First of all, can I


User Interface: {gap}Project Manager:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Howdo you wear this thing ?Project Manager: Hmm .Mm mm mm . {vocalsound}User Interface: Nottoo many cables and stuff .Marketing: {gap}UserInterface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound} Original . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Is recorded ? Okay ?Okay so welcome everyone . So we are here forthe kickoff meeting of uh the process ofdesigning a new remote control . So I will firststart with a warm welcome opening{vocalsound} stuff ,User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: then uh we willuh see what will be uh our product and what willbe the different step we will have to design it .And uh then we will uh discuss if we have fewideas and we will uh end uh by uh dispatchingthe different task you will be {disfmarker} youwill have to fulfil to complete this process . So{disfmarker}User Interface: Uh . Just one thing .


Project Manager: Uh , making a profit of fiftymillion Euros . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:Alright so twenty five .User Interface: Mm 'kay.Project Manager: So , it's go gonna have to bebe pretty damn trendy . {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: So yeah , I've {disfmarker} The onlythe only remote controls I've used usually comewith the television , and they're fairly basic.Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah .User Interface:Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: So uh{disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager:Yeah , I was thinking that as well , I think thethe only ones that I've seen that you buy are thesort of one for all type things where they're ,UserInterface: Yeah the universal ones . Yeah.Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: yeah. So presumably that might be an idea to put into.Industrial Designer: But but to sell it for twentyfive you need a lot of neat features . For sure.Marketing: Slim .Project Manager: Yeah , yeah.User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Uh'cause I mean , what {disfmarker} uh twenty


The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota(NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)): I call this meetingto order.  Welcome to the 23rd meeting of theHouse of Commons Special Committee on theCOVID-19 Pandemic.  A reminder to all membersthat in order to avoid issues with sound,members participating in person should not alsobe connected to the video conference. For thoseof you who are joining via video conference, Iwill remind you that when speaking you shouldbe on the same channel as the language you arespeaking, and please use your headsets. Asusual, please direct your remarks through thechair. As I understand, there are no ministerialannouncements today.  We will now proceed topresenting petitions. I remind members that anypetition presented during a meeting of thisspecial committee must have already beencertified by the clerk of petitions. For membersparticipating in person, I ask that they pleasecome and drop their signed certificates off at thetable once the petition is presented. I would ask


Marketing: Great man . Who starts ?ProjectManager: Well I'll uh start just with anotherpresentation , so then we can uh look at th at theagenda uh for this meeting .Marketing: Alright ,great . Alright .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Okay . I've put some uh new things in the in themap .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Uhoh . {vocalsound} This is it . I don't know theshortcut , so {disfmarker} Ah F_ five . Well ourfunctional design meeting , that's the stage we'rein .Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager:And you also ha all three of you have uhprepared something about it .Marketing: Yes.Project Manager: Well um in we'll uh just have alook at the at the notes from the previousmeeting , what we uh thought we had decdecided . But uh {disfmarker} Uh then we'll uhlook at uh the three uh presentations uh fromyou . I think you have prepared uh all three uh ?{vocalsound}Marketing: 'Kay .IndustrialDesigner: Well , yeah .Marketing: Yeah .ProjectManager: Um we'll look at th the new project


Project Manager: So uh good morning .UserInterface: Morning .Marketing: Morning .ProjectManager: I see you all find your places.Industrial Designer: Morning .Project Manager:Is everybody sitting on the right place ? Yeah?Marketing: Yep .Project Manager: I guess so .So {disfmarker} Let's see . First I will introducemyself . I don't know if uh {disfmarker} ifeverybody knows me , so I'm Bart ,Marketing:My name's Frank .Project Manager: hello . Hello.User Interface: I'm {gap} .Project Manager:Bart . Hello . Hello . Bart .Industrial Designer:{gap}Project Manager: Welcome .Marketing:Thank you .Project Manager: Uh let's see . Uhlet's start off um with a little presentation . UhNow first I'll tell you a little bit about the setting .You can see there are a few cameras here .They'll record uh our actions and you'll havewires and microphones that will record yourvoice . Uh there are also some microphonesthere but th um you don't have to pay a lot ofattention on those , because it will uh disappear


Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . Goodafternoon again .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: So we shouldhave our final meeting about the detail designedof {disfmarker} detail design of the product ofthe remote control . Um {vocalsound} So here isthe agenda for today . Uh uh just going to goquickly through the minutes of the last last uhmeeting then we have a p presentation ofprototype of you two , sounds interesting . Andwe'll have um {vocalsound} presentation ofevaluation crit criteria by ou our MarketingExperts . Then we'll have to go through financeevaluation of the of the cost of the thing and umhopefully uh we should fit the target o tw oftwelve point five uh uh Euro . {vocalsound}Okay . So let's go . Uh if I go quickly through theminutes of the last meeting . {vocalsound} Sowe went through th uh w we took this followingdecisions . No L_C_D_ , no speech recognitiontechnology , okay , we went through a b to a


Grad A: Why ?Grad D: Um .Grad E: I 'm known .I {disfmarker}Grad A: No , cuz she already toldme it , before she told you .Grad E: No , she toldme a long time ago . She told me {disfmarker}she told me like two weeks ago .Grad A: Oh ,well , it doesn't matter what time .Grad B: OK .You know how to toggle the display width{pause} function {disfmarker}Grad A: Wellmaybe she hadn't just started transcribing meyet .Grad D: Wow .Grad A: Anyway .Grad D:What is it ?Grad E: Let me explain something toyou .Grad D: Um ,Grad E: My laugh is betterthan yours .Grad D: there .Grad A: I beg to differ.Grad B: Yo .Grad D: Um , OK .Grad A: But youhave to say something genuinely funny beforeyou 'll get an example .Grad E: Yeah .Grad D:The thing is I don't know how to get to the nextpage . Here .Grad E: No . You should be{disfmarker} at least be self - satisfied enoughto laugh at your own jokes .Grad D: Actually Ithought {disfmarker}Grad A: No , it 's a differentlaugh .Grad D: There .Grad A: Ooh , wow !Grad


Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone.Welcome to the Children, Young People andEducation Committee. We've received apologiesfor absence from Michelle Brown and JackSargeant; there are no substitutions. Can I ask ifMembers have any declarations of interest,please? No. Okay. We'll move on, then, to item2, which is our scrutiny of the 'Healthy Weight:Healthy Wales' draft strategy, and I'm verypleased to welcome Dr Frank Atherton, the ChiefMedical Officer for Wales, and Nathan Cook, whois the head of the healthy and active branch atWelsh Government. Thank you, both, forattending this morning. We're very much lookingforward to hearing what you've got to say. Ifyou're happy, we'll go straight into questions. If Ican just start by asking about the fact that'Healthy Weight: Healthy Wales' is an all-agestrategy, really, and how confident you are thatit will deliver for children and young people.DrFrank Atherton: Well, we're very confident. Imean, it has to, quite clearly. We do need to


Professor B: OK So uh today we 're looking at anumber of uh things we 're trying and uhfortunately for listeners to this uh we lost someof it 's visual but um got tables in front of us .Um what is {disfmarker} what does combo mean?PhD C: So combo is um a system where wehave these features that go through a networkand then this same string of features but low -pass filtered with the low - pass filter used in theMSG features . And so these low - pass filteredgoes through M eh {disfmarker} another MLPand then the linear output of these two MLP 'sare combined just by adding the values and thenthere is this KLT . Um the output is used as uhfeatures as well .Professor B: Um so let me try torestate this and see if I have it right . There is uh{disfmarker} there is the features uh there 's theOGI features and then um those features um gothrough a contextual {disfmarker} uh l l let 'stake this bottom arr one pointed to by thebottom arrow . Um those features go through acontextualized KLT . Then these features also uh


Project Manager: Okay . Uh good afternoon .This is our third meeting already .Marketing:Good afternoon .Project Manager: I hope youenjoyed your lunch . {vocalsound} I did anyway. {vocalsound} Um let's see . Presentation three. Okay this is um the second phase uh we'regoing to discuss today . It's the conceptualdesign meeting . And a few points of interest inthis meeting um are the conceptual specificationof components . Uh conceptual specification ofdesign . And also trend-watching . Um these arehopefully the points you addressed in uh yourpre uh presentations you're going to show me ina few minutes . Um but first I'll show you theagenda . Uh first the opening . Then we havethree presentations . Uh after that we have tocome to a decision on remote control concepts .How we're going to make it . And then we'reclosing . We have about forty minutes . Uh so Isuggest let's get started . Uh did someoneencounter any problems during the preparation ?No ?User Interface: No .Project Manager:


PhD A: OK , we 're going .PhD D: Damn.Professor C: And uh Hans - uh , Hans - Guenterwill be here , um , I think by next {disfmarker}next Tuesday or so .PhD B: Oh , OK .PhD D: Mm- hmm .Professor C: So he 's {disfmarker} he 'sgoing to be here for about three weeks ,PhD B:Oh ! That 's nice .PhD A: Just for a visit?Professor C: and , uh {disfmarker} Uh , we 'llsee .PhD A: Huh .Professor C: We might{disfmarker} might end up with some longercollaboration or something .PhD A: Cool.Professor C: So he 's gonna look in oneverything we 're doingPhD D: Mm - hmm.Professor C: and give us his {disfmarker} histhoughts . And so it 'll be another {disfmarker}another good person looking at things .PhD B:Oh . Hmm .Grad E: Th - that 's his spectralsubtraction group ?Professor C: Yeah ,Grad E: Isthat right ?Professor C: yeah .Grad E: Oh , OK .So I guess I should probably talk to him a bit too?Professor C: Oh , yeah . Yeah . Yeah . No , he 'llbe around for three weeks . He 's , uh , um ,


Project Manager: Um we are {disfmarker} Sothe meeting will have about the same format asthe last time . So {gap} switching over I've justleft uh my first two screens {gap} .UserInterface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Um{vocalsound} mailed you the minutes of the lastmeeting uh just to save time .User Interface:Okay . Cool .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Umand is there any questions you have that arisedfrom last meeting that are particularly botheringyou ? NUser Interface: Mm um . No , I don'tthink so .Project Manager: No ? Okay , cool.Industrial Designer: No .Project Manager: Thenwe shall start with a presentation from Raj.Marketing: Yeah . {vocalsound} Hi , me Raj ,again . Uh in this meeting I I'm going to discussabout the trend watching , uh how these trendsis going to affect our market potential and howimportant is this . So we have to look on this .First of all methodology . The met methodologyto find out the trend was incl uh was done in away {disfmarker} {vocalsound} We have done a


Project Manager: Okay . Uh first of all I'll startwith the costs ,Marketing: {gap} .ProjectManager: because that's going to influence ourdesign .User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh no.Marketing: Oh , {gap} . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: If you {disfmarker} Don't know if youal already had a look or not ?User Interface: Non I I already did it .Industrial Designer: Did youdo your questionnaire already ?Marketing: No.User Interface: It's not much . It's just onequestion .Project Manager: Because we have aproblem .Industrial Designer: Uh{disfmarker}Marketing: Oh .{vocalsound}Project Manager: If you look closely, you can see .User Interface: Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: It wants {disfmarker}ProjectManager: Um I already took the liberty to makesome suggestions . {gap} . {gap} .{vocalsound} At the moment we have fifteenbuttons , one L_C_D_ screen , one advancedchip-on-print . We use a uh sensor , that's forthe speech . Uh we use kinetic energy . And we


Project Manager: Okay . Oh , that's not gonnawork . {vocalsound} Oh , alright . {vocalsound}Okay . Okay . Um alright .Marketing: Uh , uh ,um .Project Manager: I'll just put that there . Uhas you all know we're here to create a brand newfantastic remote . Uh I'm Nick Debusk , I'm theProject Manager . Uh we'll just get started witheveryone kind of letting each other know whothey are and what you're doing , what your whatyour role is um . Go ahead .Marketing: Okay .{vocalsound} I am Corinne Whiting and I will bethe Marketing Expert and in each of the threephases I will have a different role . In thefunction design phase I will be talking about userrequirement specification , and this means whatneeds and desires are to be fulfilled , and I'll bedoing research to figure this out . In theconceptual design phase I will be dealing withtrend watching and I'll be doing marketingresearch on the web . And then finally in the umdetailed design phase I will be doing productevaluation and so I will be collecting the


Gareth Rogers: Good morning, and welcome totoday's meeting of the Children, Young Peopleand Education Committee. Unfortunately, theChair is unable to attend today, so in accordancewith Standing Order 17.22 I call for nominationsfor a temporary Chair for the duration of today'smeeting.Julie Morgan AM: I nominate JohnGriffiths.Gareth Rogers: Thank you.Darren MillarAM: I'll second that nomination.Gareth Rogers:As there's only one nomination, I declare thatJohn Griffiths has been appointed as temporaryChair. Thank you, John.John Griffiths AM: Okay.Thank you all very much, and item 1 on ouragenda today is introductions, apologies,substitutions and declarations of interest. We'vereceived apologies from Hefin David and LynneNeagle. There are no substitutions. Are there anydeclarations of interest? No. We will move onthen to item 2, and our inquiry into the impact ofBrexit on higher and further education, and ourfirst evidence session. I'm very pleased towelcome the Higher Education Funding Council


Grad B: what things to talk about .Grad F: I 'm{disfmarker} What ? Really ? Oh , that 's horrible! Disincentive !Grad A: OK , we 're recording.Grad F: Hello ?Grad B: Check check {pause}check check .Grad D: Uh , yeah .Grad F: Hello ?Which am I ?Professor C: Oh right .Grad B:Alright . Good .Grad F: Channel fi OK . OK . Areyou doing something ? OK , then I guess I 'mdoing something . So , um , So basically theresult of m much thinking since the last time wemet , um , but not as much writing , um , is asheet that I have a lot of , like , thoughts andjustification of comments on but I 'll just passout as is right now . So , um , here . If you couldpass this around ? And there 's two things . Andso one on one side is {disfmarker} on one side isa sort of the revised sort of updated semanticspecification .Grad D: Um {disfmarker} The{disfmarker} wait .Grad F: And the other side is, um , sort of a revised construction formalism.Grad E: This is just one sheet , right ?Grad D:Ah ! Just one sheet .Grad F: It 's just one sheet


Project Manager: Okay , good morning . This isour first team meeting .User Interface: Good day.Marketing: Morning .Industrial Designer:Morning .Project Manager: I'll be your ProjectManager for today , for this project . My name isMark {gap} will be giving this presentation foryou to kick the project off . {vocalsound} That'smy uh that's the agenda for today . Well , ofcourse we're new to each other , so I'd like toget acquainted first . So let's do that first , Imean {disfmarker} Let's start with you , can youintroduce yourself ? You're our Marketing Expert.Marketing: Yes . {vocalsound} Um my name isDirk , Dirk Meinfeld . Um I will be uh {gap} PrProject {disfmarker} the Marketing Expert . AndI will see what the user wants and uh what wecan do uh with the new produ project{disfmarker} product . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Okay , excellent . And you are UserInterface {disfmarker}User Interface: Nick Broer,Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: UserInterface Designer . I'm going to uh look at the


Project Manager: Okay . Hi everybody andwelcome to our kick-off meeting um for our newproduct that we're gonna be designing . Um I'mMandy and I'm the Project Manager . And I knowall your names again , Courtney , Fenella andAmber .Marketing: Yep .Project Manager: Alright. Okay ,Industrial Designer: Yep .ProjectManager: so first let's go through this PowerPoint. I wonder what button I press ?User Interface:Just do it on the {gap} arrow .IndustrialDesigner: {gap}Project Manager: Yeah , or howabout I just click ? Okay , here is our agenda forthis meeting . Um we're gonna start with ouropening which was our introductions .{vocalsound} We're gonna get to know eachother a little bit better . Um tool training , we'regoing to , I guess , figure out what to do on thisproject with our individual roles . Um we'regonna make a project plan and then have sometime for discussion and close up the meeting .Okay , here is our project . We're gonna make anew remote control that's um original , trendy