Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Right well . Welcometo the {disfmarker} what should be the last of these meetings and uh it looks like we've uh done a goodjob here and uh we'll just go through the the final uh the final details . Um okay , oh the um th the theminutes of the last meeting uh I think we'll take those as read , um {disfmarker} OkayIndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Project Manager: the um th the the next uh thing we we we'll have a look at theuh th have a look at the prototypes and uh look at the uh evaluation criteria and finance and then uh uhjust tidy up with production and um and then we can close . Um So f if if you'd like to uh present youryour proposals .Industrial Designer: Uh okay we basically have the same kinda lay-out here it's just umyou hold it like this and it gets kinda moulded to the to the shape of your hand , basically . Um on the leftwe've got the scroll for the volume , on the right we have buttons for the channels up and down and thatkinda {disfmarker} so you can hold it and scroll , or you can hold it and and push .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh this is the power key , um it's kinda like the biggest so you knowhow to turn on .Project Manager: Uh-huh .Industrial Designer: Uh that's the little menu key . This is theinfra-red section so you g it'll be sending rays and if you're you know pointing it like that it can send it,Project Manager: Yep ,Industrial Designer: or if you hold it up like that it'll send it .Project Manager:yeah , good , good .Industrial Designer: Uh we got a microphone there which for all the voicecommandsProject Manager: Uh-huh .Industrial Designer: so you can you know talk to it like thatProjectManager: Yep ,Industrial Designer: and it'll still understand .Project Manager: right .Industrial Designer:Um the logo is down down there umProject Manager: Uh-huh .User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer:and {gap} has the cover on itUser Interface: SIndustrial Designer: and you can see like it just kinda goes{disfmarker} the red bit's the cover and it kinda goes over everythingProject Manager: Yep , yep,Industrial Designer: and then there's holes for the buttons to come through . Um .Project Manager:mm-hmm .User Interface: And so we figured it would be kind of you know a light weight plastic ,ProjectManager: Uh-huh .Industrial Designer: Mm .User Interface: just kind of a light {vocalsound} non-descriptgreyProject Manager: Yep yep .User Interface: so that people'll wanna buy the coversProject Manager:Yep .User Interface: and then the covers will be that sort of rubbery material like they make iPod covers,Project Manager: {gap} showing me age ,User Interface: so they kinda just stretch over .IndustrialDesigner: Mm .Project Manager: I don't know what i c iPod covers are like .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah , wellProject Manager: Yeah {gap} yeah .UserInterface: I I didn't know that but yeah they're kind of {disfmarker} it's just kind of a rubbery{disfmarker}Project Manager: Uh-huh .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: and that way{disfmarker} you knowProject Manager: Okay ,User Interface: spongy like is something that peoplewantedProject Manager: yep , right .User Interface: and it just sort of stretches overIndustrial Designer:Mm-hmm .User Interface: and that way I think probably helps protect it a little bit too as wellProjectManager: Okay .Industrial Designer: But it's also e e easier to put on versus like mobile coversUserInterface: and {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: you actually have to screw them on and stuff and youkinda sometimes have to get someone to do that for you . This is very much you should be able to stretchit over yourselfProject Manager: Yep .User Interface: just kinda stretch it overIndustrial Designer: and it'llbe fine .Project Manager: Okay , good yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: and it'll just stayonIndustrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: and then the buttons come through and so {disfmarker}and then the {disfmarker} each one of 'em on the very end will have the logo with the yellow circle andthe R_R_ .Project Manager: Yep , right .Industrial Designer: Li that'll be {gap} the covers as well , yeahyeah .Project Manager: Yeah , yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: I mean tha it's it's a detailedpoint , I just wondered {disfmarker} I mean h how will people put these down I wonder ?User Interface:Like that .Project Manager: Right . Okay {gap} for some strange re reason I had it in my mind thatthey'd put them down verticallyIndustrial Designer: Yeah it could stand , yeah .Project Manager: but uhuh {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh .Industrial Designer: Well we could broaden the{disfmarker} broaden it out a bitProject Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah , uh noIndustrial Designer: so it


Project Manager: Okay everybody is ready ? {vocalsound} Good morning again . So , today we are goingto have a f second meeting . Oh Michael , hi .User Interface: Yep .Project Manager: You're late . You havea good reason for that ?User Interface: {vocalsound} Yes .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Very good {vocalsound} . {vocalsound} Okay , let's have a look to the agendatoday . {vocalsound} So , we are going to have a meeting about the functional design . Um so firstbefore starting I w just going to uh to go quickly to {disfmarker} through the minutes of previousmeeting . So uh {vocalsound} basically we we are not decided if w we should go for a universal orspecific uh uh remote control , but I have new um new i inputs for {disfmarker} about that topics . I goinI'm going to share with you . {vocalsound} And uh basically we decided to um to uh go to individualactions for each of you uh so um Industrial Designer should wor was supposed to work on th on th on theworking design . You showed us {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yep .Project Manager: you ar you youprepare something for us ?Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yep .Project Manager: The U_I_ guy also uh workon that , yeah , and for the mar our Marketing Expert should deliver some specs .User Interface: Mm.Project Manager: Alright {vocalsound} so {vocalsound} so we are going to go through three of yourindividual presentations . But first I would like quickly to uh to decide of {disfmarker} to give a name tothe project . So , I just put d quickly Remo , but if you have any o other names that we co could decidefor just to to keep something fun for our project we we should {disfmarker} we could discuss quickly .Any ideas ?User Interface: Uh the Powerstick .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Powerstick , yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: What else ? What else?Marketing: Uh . {vocalsound}User Interface: Maybe a Spanish name would work well .Marketing: Mm Iwas thinking of the {disfmarker}User Interface: Especially if we're selling into the U_S_ market becasuethere's a lot of Spanish speakers there . Maybe something that sounds cool in English but sounds funny inSpanish .Marketing: Mando .User Interface: Mando .Project Manager: Mango ? Mango ?User Interface:What is that ?Marketing: Mando .Project Manager: Mando . M_A_ ? M_A_ ?Marketing: A*_N_ yeah D_O.Project Manager: M_ D_O_ . Mm , okay .Marketing: It doesn't it doesn't sound cool for me ,ProjectManager: What does it mean ? Oh .Marketing: but maybe for a Spanish {disfmarker} for I {disfmarker}for {disfmarker}User Interface: What does it mean in Spanish ?Marketing: Control .User Interface:Control .Project Manager: Hmm . Nice .User Interface: Okay . 'Cause it also {disfmarker} like in English itsounds like you know the man's tool you know because you know men like to have control of theremoteMarketing: But {disfmarker} mm , yeah .User Interface: so it might {disfmarker}Marketing:Mando sounds Latino . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: TheMando .Project Manager: {vocalsound} So , let's go for Mando ? Yeah ? No objection ?IndustrialDesigner: Yeah , yeah .User Interface: Yeah that's {gap} .Project Manager: Great . So {disfmarker}UserInterface: And we could have some like you d you could have the fonts you know special , so you haveman in like in in uh in one o in one font and then the O_ as like {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay , Ithink this is {disfmarker}User Interface: Although you don't wanna cut uh cut women out of the uhpotential buyers though ,Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: do you ? So {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: Yeah they are the most T_V_ watcher . So we should be careful .User Interface: Yeah .ProjectManager: Okay , I think this is more a question of of {disfmarker}User Interface: Marketing .Marketing:But {disfmarker} yeahProject Manager: I I think this is more a question of of look and feel .Marketing: ituh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Something that should be addressed later We should we should go toother {disfmarker} for the other topics .Marketing: Yeah because if the product will be international{disfmarker}User Interface: Well that's the thing . We need to know who we're selling it to before we canreally decide on a {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah okay , so let's stick f to Man Mando for thenameUser Interface: Um .Project Manager: and we'll see for the for the look and feel later . So let's go forthe three presentations right now . So , who want to start ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager:So maybe we could start with the market , yeah .Marketing: Maybe maybe I should uh start . Yeah . Mm .


Professor A:  Am I on ? I guess so . Radio two . Hmm . Radio two .Grad E: Hello ?Professor A: Wow .GradE: Mm - hmm . Hi ?PhD B: Blow into it , it works really well .Grad F: Channel B .Professor A: People saythe strangest things when their microphones are on .PhD D: Channel four . Test .PhD C: Uh - oh .PhD D:OK .PhD C: Radio four .Grad E: Hello ?Professor A: So everybody everybody 's on ?PhD D: Today'sProfessor A: Yeah . So y you guys had a {disfmarker} a meeting with uh {disfmarker} with Hynekwhich I unfortunately had to miss . Um and uh somebodyPhD C: Mmm .Professor A: eh e and uh I guessChuck you weren't there either , so the uhPhD B: I was there .Professor A: Oh you were there ?PhD B:With Hynek ?Professor A: Yeah .PhD B: Yeah .Professor A: So everybody knows what happened exceptme . OK . {vocalsound} Maybe somebody should tell me .PhD C: Oh yeah . Alright . Well . Uh first wediscussed about some of the points that I was addressing in the mail I sent last week .Professor A: Uh -huh .PhD C: So . Yeah . About the um , well {disfmarker} the downsampling problem .Professor A: Yeah.PhD C: Uh and about the f the length of the filters and {disfmarker} Yeah .Professor A: What was the{disfmarker} w what was the downsampling problem again ?PhD C: So we had {disfmarker}Professor A:I forget .PhD C: So the fact that there {disfmarker} there is no uh low - pass filtering before thedownsampling . Well .Professor A: Uh - huh .PhD C: There is because there is LDA filtering but that 'sperhaps not uh the best w mProfessor A: Depends what it 's frequency characteristic is , yeah .PhD C:Well . Mm - hmm .Professor A: So you could do a {disfmarker} you could do a stricter one .PhD D:System onProfessor A: Maybe . Yeah .PhD C: Yeah . So we discussed about this , about the um{disfmarker}Professor A: Was there any conclusion about that ?PhD C: Uh " try it " . Yeah .Professor A: Isee .PhD C: I guess .Professor A: Yeah . So again this is th this is the downsampling {vocalsound} uh ofthe uh {disfmarker} the feature vector streamPhD C: Uh .Professor A: and um Yeah I guess the{disfmarker} the uh LDA filters they were doing do have um {vocalsound} uh let 's see , so the{disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the feature vectors are calculated every ten milliseconds so uh thequestion is how far down they are at fifty {disfmarker} fifty hertz . Uh . {vocalsound} Um .PhD C: Yeah .Mm - hmm .Professor A: Sorry at twenty - five hertz since they 're downsampling by two . So . Doesanybody know what the frequency characteristic is ?PhD C: We don't have yetProfessor A: Oh OK .PhD C:um {vocalsound} So , yeah .Professor A: OK .PhD C: We should have a look first at , perhaps ,{vocalsound} the modulation spectrum .Professor A: Yeah .PhD C: Um . So there is this , there is the umlength of the filters . Um . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} So the i this idea of trying to find filters withshorter delays . Um . We started to work with this .Professor A: Hmm - hmm .PhD C: Mmm . And thethird point um {vocalsound} {vocalsound} was the um , yeah , {vocalsound} the on - line normalizationwhere , well , the recursion f recursion for the mean estimation {vocalsound} is a filter with some kind ofdelayProfessor A: Yeah .PhD C: and that 's not taken into account right now . Um . Yeah . And thereagain , yeah . For this , the conclusion of Hynek was , well , " we can try it but {disfmarker} "Professor A:Uh - huh .PhD C: Um .Professor A: Try {disfmarker} try what ?PhD C: So try to um {vocalsound}{vocalsound} um take into account the delay of the recursion for the mean estimation .Professor A: OK.PhD C: Mmm . And this {disfmarker} we 've not uh worked on this yet . Um , yeah . And so whilediscussing about these {disfmarker} these LDA filters , some i issues appeared , like well , the fact that ifwe look at the frequency response of these filters it 's uh , well , we don't know really what 's theimportant part in the frequency response and there is the fact that {vocalsound} in the very lowfrequency , these filters don't {disfmarker} don't really remove a lot . {vocalsound} compared to the{disfmarker} to the uh standard RASTA filter . Uh and that 's probably a reason why , yeah , on - linenormalization helps because it {disfmarker} it ,Professor A: Right .PhD C: yeah , it removed this mean .Um . Yeah , but perhaps everything could {disfmarker} should be {disfmarker} could be in the filter , Imean , uh the {disfmarker} the mean normalization and {disfmarker} Yeah . So . Yeah . So basicallythat was {disfmarker} that 's {vocalsound} all we discussed about . We discussed about {vocalsound}good things to do also uh well , generally good stuff {vocalsound} to do for the research .Professor A:Mm - hmm .PhD C: And this was this LDA uh tuning perhaps and {vocalsound} Hynek proposed again to


Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um almost , there's one more thing I have to get outof the {disfmarker} I have to make sure that this attachment will open .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} I keep forgetting whether I've done this . {gap} .Project Manager: Ah-ha . Okay . We'llopen that when the time is right . In the meantime {disfmarker} Closing things down , okay . Let's seewhat this thing does . Does it come up together or disappear one of them or what ? Ah , we came uptogether , we're good . Okay . Are we ready to start ? Okay . It's now quarter of four . This is a f anotherforty minute one so it will end at four twenty five . Okay . Right . Our agenda is , as before , for me toopen the meeting , for us to go over the previous minutes , then for the two of you to present yourprototype and for you to g um Sarah present the evaluation criteria . We then have a finance aspect ,which is a spreadsheet , an Excel spreadsheet . And I know what you're all thinking of , oh my , umbecause we're only given a forty minute time period to get it all in , including the production evaluation .So we're going to make a very fast track . Okay . Um and as you can see that's what we do next on thisthing . So the first thing I have to do is close this so that I can get to {disfmarker} Where is it ?{vocalsound}Marketing: Red .Project Manager: I need to open mine . Not the agenda .Marketing: Agendathree .Project Manager: No that th I want the minutes from the previous {disfmarker} minutes.Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: That should be there , minutes . Yeah . Okay . Uh from meeting three ,is it alright with you if I don't switch it to show , just use it as is ? 'Cause this way I can more easily flip it. Okay , um obviously all of us were here for the last meeting , we reviewed the previous minutes beforethat , um each of you made your presentations . {vocalsound} Um we discussed the various possibilitiesbased on what was presented in those presentations . The market trend of fruit and veg , mm spongy ,uh fancy and elegant more than technologically innovative and that more than easy . Um we decided chipon print would be used . Um we would use plastic with a rubber casing , I think was the consensus ,powered by kinetic energy . There was no decision made on the curvatures or double curvature orstraight . Um perhaps the prototype will give us an inkling of that . Um looking like a scroll , but it's reallya push button technology , excuse my spelling um that was actually in use , that is uh behind the scenesis push button which we uh according to Kate have a very good uh grasp on doing that in production . Umwe decided that separate fashionable covers covering your fruit and veg might be a separate product thatcould be suggested to management . Um and as suggested um yellow with black buttons with thecompany logo , a slogan and image might be a good idea based on the requirements that have beenprovided to us . Um we did have a few production issues and coordination of the various bits and we hadsome conflict of ideas and cost constraints and we ran out of time . Um we had to follow that up andprepare for the last one . And uh we closed as it ran out of time . Is that a fair presentation of whathappened ?Industrial Designer: Yep .User Interface: Yes .Project Manager: Okay , back to this meeting .Um we're down to the prototype presentation .Industrial Designer: Ta-da .User Interface: Alright .ProjectManager: Over to you .Industrial Designer: Right .User Interface: Well .Project Manager: Ooh , two .UserInterface: Yeah , well you see , each made one , we didn't have enough yellow dough .Project Manager:Ah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: This is the one that I made .Project Manager:Uh-huh .User Interface: It is uh curved , easy to hold , hand-held , nice and small with big easy buttons .This is like a scroll , but they are push buttons and they enter {disfmarker} takes you into the differentmenus . Of course we need someone who's experienced with the television {gap} . I mean this is theinfrared thing that's gonna zap at the television . Uh I'm not quite sure how to make that , but I'm sure itwill work . Uh this is on off switch , 'cause I think we do need that , and I think it gives it a nice balance.Project Manager: 'Kay .User Interface: And it's gonna have the logo imprinted on it uh in there .ProjectManager: Okay .User Interface: Um as for what it's actually made of {disfmarker} well the function ofthese buttons is up , down , left and right {vocalsound} in the different menus .Project Manager: Okay.User Interface: Uh position , I presume that just means right right on it , easy to see . The main featureof it is just a simple design , simple , lack of uh buttons all over the place . Right ? {vocalsound} Formcurved , kind of smooth , hand-held , makes it feel nice to hold . Uh material , I think Kate's gonna tackle


User Interface: Here we go again .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} My mouse is not working anymore.User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} He's uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Oh.User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: when I put it in , is is going to beep beep beep .Marketing: Oh, I got a nice little screen here over here .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} I got likethis big black border uh on every side .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .UserInterface: Mm , okay .Project Manager: Everybody ready ?Marketing: {vocalsound} I'll I'll fix it .UserInterface: Yeah , it's okay .Project Manager: Welcome at the functional design meeting , again presentedby Maarten .Marketing: Yeah , whatever .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Uh this is the agenda , the opening . Uh , we've got three presentations . And I'm gonna showyou some of the new projects requirements that were sent to me . And we're gonna make a decision onthe remote control functions . We have uh forty minutes .Marketing: Yes .Project Manager: Oh , well thisis the {vocalsound} the closing already .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So uh{disfmarker} well we start off with the th the first presentation then . Uh , I think um in uh {disfmarker}we have to do it in uh in right order .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: Maybe the{disfmarker}Marketing: I don't know what the right order is . So {disfmarker}Project Manager: Well , it{disfmarker}User Interface: No .Industrial Designer: Huh .Project Manager: Oh that . It won't{disfmarker} doesn't {disfmarker} Maybe we should start with the the technical functions .IndustrialDesigner: Okay ,Project Manager: Yeah ?Industrial Designer: how can I get this on the whiteboard?Project Manager: Well it's you dumped the file in the uh in the sh in the project document folder .UserInterface: In project .Industrial Designer: Okay , I've done that .Project Manager: You've already donethat ?User Interface: No can that open .Industrial Designer: Yes .Project Manager: Well let's close thisone . We'll just uh open a new one .User Interface: Open it there .Project Manager: Uh , well . Yes .Uh-oh . New thing . Oh yeah , uh I have to say something . Uh , due to some uh technical problems Ihaven't uh digitized the last uh the meeting minutes . But I'll uh make sure that uh happens next time.Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Okay . {vocalsound} About the get {disfmarker}Project Manager:And I'll get this one uh in digital uh form too .Industrial Designer: 'Kay , we're going to um uh talk aboutworking design . Um , the method of the remote control is uh electrical energy , it activates a chip uh inthe remote . It's an electrical circuit which compose uh messages in the form of uh uh infrared signals tocontrol the television . Mm , it's a nowadays very uh known , a known uh uh technology . Um , the knowntechnology can make a cost very low . Uh , it's a wild uh {disfmarker} a wide sale uh of uh remotecontrols in the world . And and the components are very uh very cheap . Um , Uh , diodes , uh batbatteries and uh uh LED lights , they're needed and they're uh everywhere available . Uh , again , it's afair price . It's a common uh technology uh , like I told um {disfmarker} Uh , the circuit board , it's themost um important uh um part of the remote control . Uh , we can use for that uh fibreglass with copperwires , it's {disfmarker} it is uh {disfmarker} can be made as fast as printing paper . It's uh{disfmarker} {vocalsound} it's all very uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Yeah, they're making it uh all the time . Uh ,Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: and it's not uh veryspecialised uh technology . {vocalsound} I haven't come to here , but um I've got uh some uh images ofuh remote controls . They were not uh very uh trendy or just uh just a remote control like everyoneknows . So I don't know uh why I should put it here . Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} Okay . But it's the technical side of the remote control .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yes , but uh I uh haven't made it because uh of the time .ProjectManager: Oh . Okay . Well , we'll we'll have to skip that part then .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}What ?User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: But you don't think it's a problem um to design uh thetechnical part of the remote control ? It's gonna be easy ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} No . Yes.Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: But nothing restricted for user interface ?Project Manager: Yeah. MUser Interface: With technical {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Um , no , it's uh it's just a part of uh aknown technology , yeah .User Interface: I don't know .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: 'Kay


Project Manager: Right , so start of the first meeting .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Uh . Right , so agenda of the first meeting . Where we uh {disfmarker} We have twentyfive minutes for this meeting .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: We uh are to get acquainted .So does everyone want to say who they are ? {gap} that seem sensible ?Marketing: Yeah . I'm Robin .I'm the Marketing Manager .User Interface: I'm Louisa . I'm the User Interface Designer .IndustrialDesigner: I'm Nick . I am the Industrial Designer .Project Manager: And I'm Alastair and I'm the projectleader . {vocalsound} Alright okay , so tool training . Um . {vocalsound} Project plan . So does anyonehave any uh thoughts as to the tool training that uh is required ?Industrial Designer: Tool trainingUserInterface: I'm not exactly sure what you mean by tool training .Project Manager: Neither am I {gap}.User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh I see , so we shouldn't reallybe {disfmarker} Oh right okay , so . So we have the project team , which is to um {vocalsound} basicallyto come up with a new r remote control device .Industrial Designer: {gap}Project Manager: Uh we haveuh {disfmarker} the starting base was the original {vocalsound} which has been in existence now for aperiod of time . And uh our idea is to uh to make the new remote control device uh more user friendlythan the previous one , and to {vocalsound} to be trendier , to be with it , and therefore to uh to get abigger market share and bigger audience .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: Soum {vocalsound} method of doing this is uh split up as you can see into uh {vocalsound} the functionaldesign , the conceptional design , and the detailed design . So um {vocalsound} in each of these uhphases we'll uh basically be handing over to yourselves , the designers of this uh this device .IndustrialDesigner: Yes .Project Manager: And uh having uh meetings so that we can uh during the course of theday um come up with a better better inst implement than we had before . And therefore um have asuccessful uh conclusion to the day . Um and you'll be doing uh various designs uh throughout the day tomeet this end .Marketing: Mm-hmm , okay .Project Manager: So we've got tool training . Try outwhiteboard . Uh . {vocalsound} So we will um .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Right so everyone's to uh supposedly uh draw their favourite animal overon the white board over there . I guess this is uh make sure the whiteboard works . So uh I don't knowwho wishes to go first .Industrial Designer: Okay {gap} .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} Do you wish to go f Have a first bash at uh whatever .User Interface: I don't mind .{vocalsound}Marketing: I dunno . {vocalsound}User Interface: Um .Project Manager: Ah uh .{vocalsound}User Interface: Let's see .Marketing: {gap}User Interface: Good job I got pockets today.Project Manager: But now you you uh you'll move out from the microphone and the camera .Marketing:Your microphone's just {disfmarker}Project Manager: I take it that {disfmarker}User Interface: Are wesupposed to do this right now , do you think , or ?Project Manager: I would {vocalsound} I would guessso . Or {gap} {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah . I don't know .Industrial Designer: You've lost uh yourmicrophone there .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Technical problems .User Interface: Oh . Right herewe go .Project Manager: I mean you designers are meant to come up with these sort of things .IndustrialDesigner: {gap} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: Okay . I think that I would have to say that my favouriteanimal is the cat . Little smiley cat there . Um and this would be because they're very independent , uhthey're very intelligent , compared to dogs maybe .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: Um {vocalsound} and they can be very very affectionate . Some peopledon't think so but I know very affectionate cats . Um . Um and they can look after themselves .ProjectManager: {gap} {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager:Next . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay , yeah . I'll I'll {disfmarker}User Interface: Shall I rub thatout , actually ?Project Manager: I don't see as there's any need to . There's plenty of space .IndustrialDesigner: {gap}Project Manager: I mean whatever . {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: We can have have a whole menagerie . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Exactly.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Shall I see if I can get across without just tangling everything . Okay


Project Manager: Okay , welcome everyone to our next meeting . I'm busy writing and busy leading themeeting , but um I've prepared a little presentation once again um or at least an agenda I think uh thebiggest part of the presentation will be uh on your side . Um we are here at the conceptual designmeeting , which is hereby opened . Um once again I will try to uh write some minutes which I just fromthe previous meeting uh placed inside our project folder , which was quite some typing . Um today weonce again have uh three presentations , if I'm right , and after that we will take a decision on the remotecontrol concepts . And just as the last time we have forty minutes to accomplish that . Okay ,wellIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I'd say let's start with the first presentation.Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: Um in the same order as last time ?Industrial Designer: W sure .UserInterface: Mm . Alright .Project Manager: Okay . Well , take it away .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {gap} {vocalsound} Okay uh welcome you all .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Components design , um {vocalsound} uhfirst of all uh I would like to uh uh accommodate some of those uh things I uh uh {disfmarker} elaboratesome of the things I did . I I elaborated on the concept . What should be um uh said about uh thecomponents , uh its properties and what kind of materials should we use to uh to make uh one of those rremote controls . Uh well first of all I've uh d subtracted some of the components that is that are used uhare w w um {vocalsound} you know from what uh the remote control's formed . Uh first of all , the case ,the case , the surrounding of the of the the remote control . {vocalsound} I would like to uh give you anidea of uh how I thought about .Marketing: Don't destroy my giraffe .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Giraffe's gone now .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay umthe case was is made from rubber , I suppose . There's one of the {disfmarker} because when you use aremote control a lot of people uh will uh will uh drop their remote controlMarketing: Drop it .UserInterface: Hmm .Industrial Designer: and they break uh becau the uh titanium was also an option . Butuh it's a very expensive material . Uh rubber is , I think , uh the best suitable uh material uh to use uh forour uh for our remote control . Um it's poss it's also possible to uh create fancy colours with rubber . Uhrubber l makes it easy to uh to to {disfmarker} it lets lets itself colour . Uh titanium uh you have to paintit and with that uh it's possible to scratch it or uh yeah make it ugly . Uh rubber uh the total uh piece ofrubber that's sor uh that's that's used uh to make the case is uh the same colour , so if you scratch it it'sstill the same colour , perhaps uh it's a little bit damaged . But it's a very strong material . Um{vocalsound} I h I had an idea single covered uh curved , sorry , single curved .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh so it's t two dimensional . I think it's uh it's best to draw ohUserInterface: {vocalsound} It's a colour . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: green .Marketing: {vocalsound}Bright colour . Fancy colour . Forward .Industrial Designer: Uh {disfmarker} New . Blank . Okay.Marketing: You have to go tIndustrial Designer: Let's make it uh black . Okay . I thought of an idea likethis . Oh {gap} that . {vocalsound} Um delete . Blank . Okay . So it also looks nice when it's on yourtable .User Interface: {gap}Industrial Designer: So you get uh it doesn't lay flat down on the table , butit's c it's stands .Marketing: Oh it's a side view .Industrial Designer: Side view yes it's side view so uh II'm not technically good at th three D_ modelling ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: but.Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Um uh it's just an idea I had so it's uh it's very uh so itsalso looks nice when it's on the table . Um the graphical user interface and the buttons , uh we alsothought about that already . Uh I thought about uh the L_C_D_ touch screen , which is uh is easy toclean too . One of the great uh advantages of the L_C_D_ screen you just use some {gap} or uh anotheruh cleaning uh uh cl some cleaning stuff .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And um itshould be made of strong plastic and it should be bright . Well I already uh s uh explained someproperties of that material and I think uh well we also we almost concluded about that uh this should uhbe uh our uh button component .Marketing: True .Industrial Designer: So uh uh that's all about uh thebuttons . Uh the batteries , uh we also thought about that already , uh will be chargeable with uh uh anoption for a mount station so you can uh put the uh {vocalsound} the remote control in a mount station


Project Manager: Okay , is everybody ready ?Industrial Designer: Yeah ?Marketing: Yeah I'd to just puton my microphone here and I'll be right with you .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Okay ?ProjectManager: Um {vocalsound} I take it you all have received instructions as to what you were supposed todoIndustrial Designer: Mm ?User Interface: Yes .Project Manager: and um I think the Marketing Managerprobably should go first , addressing the needs and desires .Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay you want meto start right now ?Project Manager: Yeah , mm-hmm .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: Well , could you um put my slides up 'cause I think it might be helpful if uh welooked at the slides at the same time .Project Manager: Okay . You're participant four .Marketing: I'mparticipant four I believe . Yes uh-huh .Project Manager: Okay , and now I can uh full screen .Marketing:'Kay .Industrial Designer: Open .Project Manager: Uh , okay , okay .Marketing: There we go . Okay well Ithink we have introduced ourselves ,Industrial Designer: And then full screen .Marketing: so thefunctional requirements are {disfmarker} is {vocalsound} is part of my goal but why don't we pass rightto the second slide . Cause that's where m my discussion starts . Right well um since I'm in charge oftrying to figure out what we should put on this thing since I have to try to sell it .Industrial Designer:Mm-hmm .Marketing: Um {vocalsound} I thought that the method I should follow would be gathersuggestions from everybody , and th the reason I just put that there like that is that uh in the init in theinitial stage I think I should just be open to lots of suggestions . You know you can say anything you wantno matter how silly it sounds you know it should run your car , it should heat up your motor if should umturn on your C_D_ {vocalsound} whatever you want it to do {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: 'Kay.Marketing: um and then as we go on what we'll have to do is accept and eliminate these suggestionsaccording to um design and budget feasibility . So I'll be coming to you um frequently as the IndustrialExpert to tell me how hard it's gonna be to add a feature or how expensive it's gonna be or if your time ,if it takes five years to develop this it's just something we can't do .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm . Yeah. Yeah . Yeah . Hmm hmm . Mm .Marketing: So in the beginning just have a big puddle of things that we{disfmarker} anybody can th throw anything inIndustrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: and then just weedthings out that can't be done for one reason or another , and then the things that seem the mostattractive that to uh to a customer we'll try to then prioritise those .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm . Yeah.Marketing: So that was um what I meant there , and as I said on the slide there consulting the IndustrialEngineer about that and the other thing is timing is really gonna be as important as money , because ifwe're gonna sell this thing , I think the best time to sell it is as a Christmas present . Twenty five Eurosmakes a nice little present , and we want it to be an impulse purchase ,Industrial Designer: Mm.Marketing: we want somebody to see it and think it's , gee I just gotta have that . And take out theirwallet and buy it . So it's gotta be really attractive and it {disfmarker} but it's gotta go to market bySeptember , 'cause anything that you don't already have out there in September showing it around , isn'tgonna sell for Christmas .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Um {vocalsound} and then I'll be comingto you as the User Interface person to try to tell me from your point of view what are the most friendlyfeatures that we could put on it and try to prior help me with that prioritising of uh of the features and ofthe the look and the colourUser Interface: Okay .Marketing: and I'll be coming back to you to help weedout those suggestions from that point of view .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: So I'll be coming to youfor how much is it gonna cost us and how long is it gonna take you ,Industrial Designer: Mm mm-hmm.Marketing: and I'll be coming to you to tell me what's gonna make somebody take out their wallet youknow ,User Interface: What features .Marketing: what what's what's gonna really be what they call asizzle ,User Interface: S sellable . Yes {vocalsound} .Marketing: 'cause we gotta sell this sizzle{vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: A lot of times the thing that works the bestfrom an engineering point of view isn't the thing that somebody's really just gonna take out their walletand buy for Christmas for for their child or for their husband or whatever .User Interface: Yes .Marketing:Okay can we go to the next slide please ? Alright I I already did a little bit of research after our firstmeeting where we threw out some ideas and it looks to me that within the budget that we're looking at


Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh .User Interface: DuProject Manager: Okay . Thanks for coming to thismeeting .Marketing: Hm .Project Manager: S how we doing on our remote ?User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: We have some {disfmarker} we have some ideas and some uh ideas forwhat people want .User Interface: Uh we yes s I've lo {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}UserInterface: I've done the role that I was asked to do anyway .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface:{vocalsound} I think .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Alright let's just go overthe agenda real quick for this meeting . See if I can't get things uh moving along here a little bit better .Um I'll go over what we went over last time , which shouldn't take long . Then I believe each of you havea presentation . Um I've was sent a a couple more requirements for our remote , what they want . Umthen we can come to a conclusion on uh what we want the remote to do , um and how it's going to do ithopefully . And uh then we'll have the closing . {vocalsound} Um which we'll have forty minutes for . Uhlet's see , the last meeting we went over um {vocalsound} who was responsible for what . I'mresponsible for leading the meetings , keeping the notes , uh and coming up with the final presentation .Um Corinne is our Marketing Expert . She's gonna figure out what what um the consumer wants . Um{vocalsound} Ryan is our User Interface Designer . And Manuel is the Industrial Designer . So you'regonna come up with the ideas Ryan , and you're gonna pick 'em apart .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um we decided our remote , uh we want it to be a universalremote uh that everyone would want . Um we want to be modern , um fun , different . Uh it needs to besturdy , um easy to find , so we gonna have that locator function . Um and we want to be different . Umand then we went over a couple of different ideas . Ball-shaped phone . The keyboard shape . Um wedecided that it should probably be one-handed . Something we could use with one hand . Um and thatwas our last meeting . So um why don't um {disfmarker} Do each of you have a presentation?Marketing: Yep .Project Manager: Okay . I'll hand it off to you and um {disfmarker} Does anyone{disfmarker} do you wanna go first ?Marketing: Sure .Project Manager: So we can maybe see what uhwhat the people want .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: What was it ? Function ?IndustrialDesigner: Eight . F_ eight .Marketing: F_ eight ? Well . {vocalsound} How do I get it {disfmarker}UserInterface: Slide show .Project Manager: To go to the next one ?Marketing: Oh right right right .ProjectManager: Yeah you click on that guy .Marketing: That one ?Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Okay .Alright . Well , this is my report , which is going to be based pretty much on a survey that I was sent . Ohgosh , I've no idea . {vocalsound} GUser Interface: Just press the arrow keys I think . Usually goes to it.Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Sorry I actually need to see something elseon my screen .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Hit F_ eightagain .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: I think .Marketing: And then ? Again ?Project Manager: Yeah .You want it to be on both screens , or just just yours ?Marketing: No I want something else on mine . Isthat possible ?Project Manager: Yeah but I think you have to hit escape . And then you can {disfmarker}Yeah .Marketing: Okay but now you don't have that .Project Manager: Oh hit F_ eight again .Marketing:{vocalsound} Sorry guys .Project Manager: I know . I did the same thing . {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: And then it should come up here shortly . 'Kay .Marketing: {vocalsound}So is there no way I can give you the slideshow andProject Manager: I think {disfmarker} oh give us theslideshow and something on your screen ?Marketing: yeah . Yeah .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: Ohwell .Project Manager: I'm not sure . You could maybe minimise that screen and then have them both upat the same time I think .Marketing: Yeah . It's okay . Okay . Um so first of all , the method that I usedwas by doing some marketing research ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: by um doingresearch on some interviews that were conducted . And then some internet research . And I was sent areport that was {disfmarker} I think there were a hundred remote users that they interviewed . And so Iwill show you some of the results from that , which I think will be helpful . Um okay here are some of thefindings . They said that the users dislike the look and feel of their current remote controls . And seventyfive percent of the users find their remote controls to be ugly . Which is a fairly significant number I


Grad F: Test .Postdoc G: OK .Professor B: Let 's see , I should be Two .PhD D: Up high {disfmarker}GradE: As close to your mouth as you can get it .Professor B: LaPhD D: high as you can get .Professor B: Isthis channel one ?Postdoc G: Yeah , on your upper lip .PhD H: Channel one one one .Professor B: Gee ,OK . Yes . OK .Grad E: OK , so for {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} For people wearing the wireless mikes ,like {disfmarker} like this one , I find the easiest way to wear it is sorta this {disfmarker} this sorta likethat .PhD H: This is {disfmarker} chan channel channel one one two threeGrad F: Channel five , channelfive .Professor B: Yeah . Mm - hmm . What do you do ,Grad E: It 's actually a lot more comfortable then ifyou try to put it over your temples ,Grad F: Test , test test .Professor B: you do it higher ?Grad E: so{disfmarker}Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD D: Adam 's just trying to generate good uh data for therecognizer there .Postdoc G: Yeah , I think we 're supposed to {disfmarker} that 's right .Grad E: Andthen also , for {disfmarker} for all of them , if your boom is adjustable , the boom should be towards thecorner of your mouth ,Grad F: Test test .PhD A: By the way , there was a bug . Yeah , i it wasn't usingthe properPhD D: Oh it was .Grad E: and about a uh a thumb to a thumb and a half distance away fromyour mouth ,PhD A: basically it wasn't adapting anything .PhD D: Oh .Grad E: so about like I 'm wearingit now .PhD D: Oh that 's interesting . So why didn't you get the same results and the unadapted ?GradE: so so Jane , you could actually do even a little closer to your mouth ,PhD H: It 's not always possible.PhD A: Hmm ?PhD D: Why didn't you get the same results and the unadapted ?Postdoc G: I could{disfmarker} can this be adjuste like this ?Grad E: but {disfmarker}PhD A: Oh , because when itestimates the transformer pro produces like a single matrix or something .Grad E: Yep .Postdoc G: Is that@ @ ? OK , thank you .Grad F: Adam , I 'm not {disfmarker}PhD D: O Oh oh I see .Grad F: uh , lookskinda low on channel five {disfmarker}PhD D: I see , I see .Professor B: OK .Grad F: no ?Grad E:Channel five , s speak again .Grad F: Maybe not .Postdoc G: Hello .PhD A: Basically there were nocountsGrad E: Yeah , that 's alright .Grad F: Hello ?Grad E: I mean , we could {disfmarker} we could upthe gain slightly if you wanted to .Grad F: It 's OK ?PhD H: Yeah .Grad F: Is this OK ?PhD H: OK .PhD D: Isee what you mean .PhD C: Who 's channel B ?Grad E: but {disfmarker} Uh , channel B is probably Liz.PhD C: Uh oh .PhD H: Uh channel B {disfmarker} I am channel B .Professor B: You wanna close this,Postdoc G: Channel eight , eight .Professor B: orPhD C: No IGrad E: Thank you .PhD H: No , channel B.PhD A: Hello , hello .PhD C: yeah , yeah , you 're channel B .PhD H: Yeah , yeah .PhD C: So can you talka bit ? I thought it might be tooPhD H: OK , yeah , channel B , one two three four five .PhD C: OK .GradE: Yeah , it 's alright . So , the gain isn't real good .Professor B: We 're recording ,PhD C: OK .ProfessorB: right ?Grad E: OK , so we are recording .PhD H: Ah .Professor B: Yeah .PhD A: OK .Grad E: Umeveryone should have at least two forms possibly three in front of you depending on who you are .GradF: Oh .Grad E: Um we {disfmarker} we 're doing a new speaker form and you only have to spea fill outthe speaker form once but everyone does need to do it . And so that 's the name , sex , email , et cetera.PhD H: Mm - hmm .Grad E: We {disfmarker} we had a lot of discussion about the variety of English andso on so if you don't know what to put just leave it blank . Um I {disfmarker} I designed the form and Idon't know what to put for my own region ,PhD A: Mmm .Grad E: soPhD D: California .PhD A: I think{disfmarker}Grad E: California .PhD H: California .PhD A: Um may I make one suggestion ? Instead ofage put date of {disfmarker} uh year of birthGrad E: Sure .PhD A: because age will change , but Theyear of birth changes , you know , stays the same , usually .Grad E: Oh .PhD C: A actually , wait a minute,Grad E: Birth year ?Postdoc G: Although on {disfmarker}PhD A: Yeah .PhD C: shouldn't it be the otherway around ?PhD D: Not for me .Postdoc G: course on the other {disfmarker} on the other hand youcould {disfmarker} you view it as the age at the time of the {disfmarker}PhD C: On the other side ,PhDA: Well the thing is , if ten years from now you look at this form knowing that {disfmarker}PhD C: yeah.Postdoc G: Yes , but what we care about is the age at {disfmarker} at the recording date rather than the{disfmarker}PhD C: O yeah .PhD D: But there 's no other date on the form .PhD C: W we don't care howthey {disfmarker} old they really are .PhD A: Well {disfmarker} well I don't know .Postdoc G: Yes .{vocalsound} Unless we wanna send them a card .Grad E: Well I guess it depends on how long the


Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Children, Young People and EducationCommittee. We've received apologies for absence from Janet Finch-Saunders. I'd like to take thisopportunity to welcome Suzy Davies to the committee, and to thank Mark Reckless and Darren Millar,who have left us, for their service and hard work as members of the committee. Can I ask whether thereare any declarations of interest, please? No. Okay. We will move on then to our evidence session on ourinquiry into the impact of Brexit on higher and further education. I'm very pleased to welcome KirstyWilliams, Cabinet Secretary for Education, and Eluned Morgan AM, Minister for Welsh Language andLifelong Learning. Can I just ask you to introduce your officials for the record, please?Kirsty Williams AM:Bore da, Lynne, and thank you for the invitation to join you. Eluned and I are joined this morning by HuwMorris, who's the group director at SHELL—skills, higher education and lifelong learning—and Marie Knox,who is deputy director, overseeing European transition.Lynne Neagle AM: Okay, thank you very much,and thank you for coming. We'll go straight into questions, then, and the first questions are from SuzyDavies.Suzy Davies AM: Thank you. I'd like to ask you both, if that's okay, a little bit about preparedness.But if I could start with higher education, I understand that—I don't know, it must be about 18 monthsago now—Ken Skates told another committee in this place that there had been nine sector analyses done.Presumably, one of those was HE, because of the—well, Welsh Government had a presence, and stilldoes, in Brussels, related to higher education. Apparently, those have now been superseded by workthat's been done by Cardiff University. I don't know if you've got any comments on that research, orwhether it's been brought to your attention yet.Kirsty Williams AM: Well, Suzy, following the vote, I wasvery keen that we work very closely with colleagues in higher education and further education, to get anunderstanding from on the ground about the potential impact. So, in terms of preparedness, we startedthat group in the September, and that work from that group, which includes both HE and FE, has beeninstrumental in helping the Government form its views, which were articulated in the Government's WhitePaper, 'Securing Wales' Future'. There has been ongoing work being done—as the debate in London andEurope becomes a little bit more clear, then it becomes a little less clear, and then a little bit more clear,but, bearing in mind the difficulties of working in an ever-changing field, we have been refining thoseapproaches. Each institution has been looking at their own institution, because, as you can imagine,although we have an overview of the sector, the challenges are very different for individualinstitutions—so their exposure, for instance, to the number of European Union students that they have attheir college, or the work that they might be doing with Horizon 2020, or their success—and there hasbeen considerable success in the HE field in securing structural funds for various projects—the exposureand the potential impact of leaving the EU, in a 'no deal' or in a 'deal' scenario, is very, very different. ButI don't know if, Huw, you want to talk any further.Suzy Davies AM: Maybe just to use the 'no deal'scenario is probably the easiest, isn't it?Kirsty Williams AM: The 'no deal'?Suzy Davies AM: Well, yes,because that's the worst-case scenario, so let's look at that one.Huw Morris: As the Cabinet Secretarymentioned, the higher education Brexit working group's been meeting since September 2016 and hasbeen looking at that in general. More recently, when the prospect of no deal became talked about,officials have been visiting individual institutions to talk to them about their preparedness for that. Asyou'll be aware, the funding for much of the activity is secured, we believe, even under a 'no deal'scenario, until December 2020; that's a letter we had from the Chief Secretary to the Treasury. I thinkthe research you're referring to may be research that Cardiff University has been doing with theBevan Foundation and others. I know there's a report due to be launched later today. We have beendoing our own research and looking at the impact on HE, FE and apprenticeship providers.Suzy DaviesAM: Well, that's really helpful because my understanding was that this Cardiff University research hadsuperseded all those nine sector analyses.Huw Morris: That may be true for the economy brief. Certainly,there are published papers by Max Munday and a team at Cardiff University on the impact of Brexit onthe Welsh economy, but for HE and FE and apprenticeship provision, it's as the CabinetSecretary outlined.Suzy Davies AM: So, are there any formal risk assessments that are available for us to


Grad B: Grad D: How many batteries do you go through ?Grad B: Thank you .Professor C: Alright .PhD A:Sure .Professor C: Good . Yeah . OK so , let 's get started . Nancy said she 's coming and that means shewill be . Um . My suggestion is that Robert and Johno sort of give us a report on last week 's adventuresuh to start . So everybody knows there were these guys f uh from Heidelber - uh , uh , actually from uhDFKI uh , part of the German SmartKom project , who were here for the week and , I think got a lot done.Grad E: Yeah , I think so too . Um . The {disfmarker} we got to the point where we can now speak intothe SmartKom system , and it 'll go all the way through and then say something like " Roman numeralone , am Smarticus . " It actually says , " Roemisch einz , am Smarticus , "Grad B: OK .Grad E: whichmeans it 's just using a German sythesis module for English sentences .Grad B: OK .Grad E: So uh,Professor C: It doesn't know " I " .Grad B: OK .Grad E: Um , the uhGrad B: Oh , Am Spartacus . "GradD: " I am Sm - I am Smarticus " is what it 's saying .PhD A: Right .Grad B: Verstehe . OK .Grad D: IgueGrad E: The uh sythesis is just a question of um , hopefully it 's just a question of exchanging acouple of files , once we have them . And , um , it 's not going to be a problem because we decided tostick to the so - called concept to speech approach . So I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm goingbackwards now , so " synthesis " is where you sort of make this {disfmarker} uh , make these sounds ,and " concept to speech " is feeding into this synthesis module giving it what needs to be said , and thewhole syntactic structure so it can pronounce things better , presumably . Then , just with text to speech.Grad B: Mm - hmm .Grad E: And , uh , Johno learned how to write XML tags . Uh , and did write the treeadjoining grammar for some {disfmarker} some sentences . No , right ?Grad D: Yeah .Grad E: Yeah , fora couple {disfmarker}Grad D: So . Bu - Uh , i The way the uh , the dialogue manager works is it dumpsout what it wants to know , or what it wants to tell the person , to a {disfmarker} er in XML and there 's aconversion system for different uh , to go from XML to something else . And th so , the knowledge basefor the system , that generates the syntasti syntactic structures for the ge generation is uh , in a LISP -like {disfmarker} the knowledge base is in a LISP - like form . And then the thing that actually buildsthese syntactic structures is something based on Prolog . So , you have a {disfmarker} basically , a goaland it , you know , says " OK , well I 'm gonna try to do the Greet - the - person goal ,Grad B: Mm - hmm.Grad D: so it just starts {disfmarker} uh , it binds some variables and it just decides to , you know , dosome subscold . Basically , it just means " build the tree . "Grad B: OK .Grad D: And then it passes thetree onto , uh , the ge the generation module .Grad E: But I think that the point is that out of the twelvepossible utterances that the German system can do , we 've already written the {disfmarker} the syntaxtrees for three or four .Grad D: We yeah . So , the syntax trees are very simple . It 's like most of thesentences in one tree ,Grad B: Mm - hmm .Grad D: and instead of , you know , breaking down to , like ,small units and building back up , they basically took the sentences , and basically cut them in half , oryou know , into thirds or something like that , and made trees out of those . And so uh , uh Tilman wrotea little tool that you could take LISP notation and generate an XML , uh , tree . Uh , S what do castructure from the {disfmarker} from the LISP . And so basically you just say , you know , " noun goes to" , you know , Er , nah , I don't re I 've never been good at those . So there 's like the VP goes to N andthose things in LISP , and it will generate for you .Grad B: OK . N , N , V yeah , OK . Alright .Grad E: Andbecause we 're sticking to that structure , the synthesis module doesn't need to be changed . So all that ffancy stuff , and the Texas speech version of it , which is actually the simpler version , is gonna be donein October which is much too late for us . So . This way we {disfmarker} we worked around that . The ,uh {disfmarker} the system , um {disfmarker} I can show you the system . I actually want , at least ,maybe , you should be able to start it on your own . If you wanna play around with it , in th in the future .Right now it 's brittle and you need to ch start it up and then make ts twenty changes on {disfmarker} on{disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on seventeen modules before they actually can stomach it , anything . Andsend in a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a couple of side queries on some dummy center set - up programso that it actually works because it 's designed for this seevit thing , where you have the gesturalrecognition running with this s Siemens virtual touch screen , which we don't have here .Grad B: Mm -


Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: Okay everyone's ready .User Interface: Hello.Project Manager: So we are here for uh for uh functional design .User Interface: {gap}Project Manager:Okay ? So we are here for the functional design meeting mm {vocalsound} so first I will show the agendaso we will uh I will take notes during this meeting so I will try to summarise it and put that summary inthe shared folder if you want to look at it afterwardsUser Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: sothen uh each of you will uh lead a presentation on the task that has been required last time so userrequirement specification , technical function design and working design . Then I will uh present yousome new project requirements I received from uh the management board . Then we will take uh thedecision on on the remote control uh needed functions and then I will assign you the task for the nextpart of the meeting . Of the {disfmarker} of the process . So uh who want to start the the presentation ofwhat they did ?Industrial Designer: F do you want to start ?User Interface: Make a start yeah .ProjectManager: You can start .User Interface: So . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface:Cable , camera .Project Manager: You have uh PowerPoint ?User Interface: Should be in my {disfmarker}in their folder no ?Project Manager: Ah yeah maybe there . Okay .User Interface: Up .Project Manager:Who are you ? {vocalsound}User Interface: Um at three I think .Project Manager: {vocalsound}UserInterface: No ? {vocalsound} Mm .Project Manager: Ouch . And {disfmarker}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: We have a technical problem uh.User Interface: Do we think w s in the {disfmarker} in the wrong folder maybe ? {vocalsound} It ispossible .Project Manager: You put it on {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: No .User Interface: It wassomewhere in something like this . I don't remember the name actually must be something likemessenger AMI or something .Industrial Designer: What do you have in short cut ?User Interface: Go up.Industrial Designer: Participant two .User Interface: Yeah go up .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface:Again . No . Go back .Project Manager: You have no {disfmarker}User Interface: Uh maybe messengerAMI . Messenger .Project Manager: Over . Okay .User Interface: No . There is nothing .Project Manager:There's no {disfmarker} We have a technical problem .User Interface: Let's go and check .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .User Interface: I'll go and check .Industrial Designer: Otherwise , could you just describeby hand ?User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: With the the whiteboard ?Project Manager: If youremember yeahUser Interface: Yeah . Yeah .Project Manager: but that's {disfmarker}User Interface: Souh . Basically {vocalsound} what we want here is a remote control right .Project Manager: Yeah .UserInterface: {vocalsound} So um the question well first of all what to control . So {vocalsound} mostpeople want to have a a remote for their hi-fi and T_V_ and stuff like that .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm.User Interface: And {disfmarker} but other people want th also remotes for {vocalsound} controlling uhand toys like robotic pets and little robots and stuffIndustrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: andother people also want to have remotes for controlling um whole house .Project Manager: Yeah.Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Yeah , so there's a project I think called X_ house orsomething like that that does that , uh you can integrate your remote with uh computers stuff . So{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: there is one {disfmarker} that is one thing .The other is the the finder feature yeah by whistling or whatever . Uh if you have the finder feature thenyou can also haveIndustrial Designer: Okay .User Interface: uh at the same time as {disfmarker} andgeneral voice commands if you want yeah . {vocalsound} So I think it should be a package in that case.Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Uh so the user interface will consist of two parts .{vocalsound} One is the voice command part and on one is the actual buttons part . {vocalsound} Uhand th the buttons part would be uh a set of buttons for choosing devices , a set of buttons for specialnavigation in space ,Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .User Interface: a set of buttons for{vocalsound} linear access of medium and a set of buttons for random access .Project Manager: Okay.User Interface: Yeah ?Industrial Designer: What do you mean by linear access then ?User Interface: Likea video tape goes forward , backwards , uh fast and stuff yeah .Industrial Designer: Ah .Project Manager:


Grad A: Yeah , I think I got my mike on . OK . Let 's see .Professor B: OK . Ami , do yours then we 'llopen it and I think it 'll be enough .Grad A: Mmm {disfmarker} Doesn't , uh {disfmarker} It should bethe other way . Yeah , now it 's on .PhD F: Right . OK .Professor B: OK . So , we all switched on ?Grad A:We are all switched on , yeah .Professor B: Alright . Anyway . So , uh , before we get started with the , uh, technical part , I just want to review what I think is happening with the {disfmarker} our data collection.PhD F: We are all switched on .Professor B: So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Uh , probably after today ,{vocalsound} that shouldn't come up in this meeting . Th - this {disfmarker} this is s should be im it isn't{disfmarker} There 's another thing going on of gathering data , and that 's pretty much independent ofthis . But , uh , I just want to make sure we 're all together on this . What we think is gonna happen isthat , uh , in parallel starting about now {vocalsound} we 're gonna get Fey {vocalsound} to , where you're working with me and Robert , draft a note that we 're gonna send out to various CogSci c and otherclasses saying , " here 's an opportunity to be a subject . Contact Fey . " And then there 'll be a certainnumber of um , hours during the week which she will be available and we 'll bring in people . Uh , roughlyhow many , Robert ? We d Do we know ?Grad C: Um , fifty was our {disfmarker} sort of our first{disfmarker}Professor B: OK . So , we 're looking for a total of fifty people , not necessarily by anymeans all students but we 'll s we 'll start with {disfmarker} with that . In parallel with that , we 'regonna need to actually do the script . And , so , I guess there 's a plan to have a meeting Fridayafternoon Uh , with {disfmarker} uh , Jane , and maybe Liz and whoever , on actually getting the scriptworked out . But what I 'd like to do , if it 's O K , {vocalsound} is to s to , as I say , start the recruiting inparallel and possibly start running subjects next week . The week after that 's Spring Break , and maybewe 'll look for them {disfmarker} some subjects next doorGrad C: Yeah .Professor B: or {pause} iGrad C:Yeah . Also , Fey will not be here during spring break .Professor B: Oh , OK , then we won't do it .Grad C:So .Professor B: OK . So that 's easy . Um . So , is {disfmarker} Is that make sense to everybody ?GradC: Yeah . Also , um , F {vocalsound} both Fey and I will , um , {vocalsound} do something of which Imay , eh {disfmarker} kindly ask you to {disfmarker} to do the same thing , which is we gonna checkout our social infrastructures for possible subjects . Meaning , {vocalsound} um , kid children 'sgymnastic classes , pre - school parents and so forth . They also sometimes have flexible schedules . So ,if you happen to be sort of in a non - student social setting , and you know people who may be interestedin being subjects {disfmarker} We also considered using the Berkeley High School and their teachers ,maybe , and get them interested in stuff .Professor B: That 's a good idea .Grad C: And , um . So that 'sas far as our brainstorming was concerned .Professor B: Oh , yeah . The high school 's a great idea .GradC: So . But I {disfmarker} I will just make a first draft of the , uh , note , the " write - up " note , send itto you and Fey and then {disfmarker}Professor B: And why don't you also copy Jane on it ?Grad C: And ,um , Are we {disfmarker} Have we concurred that , uh , these {disfmarker} these forms are sufficient forus , and necessary ?Professor B: Uh , th I think they 're necessary . This {disfmarker} The permissionform .Grad C: Mmm .Professor B: Uh , there has to be one ,Grad C: Nuh . N .Professor B: and I think we're just gonna use it as it is , and {pause} UmGrad C: N . You happy with that ?Professor B: Well , yeah .There 's one tricky part about , um , they have the right um I The last paragraph {comment} " if youagree to participate you have the opportunity to have anything excised which you would prefer not tohave included in the data set . " OK ? Now that , we had to be included for this other one which mighthave , uh , meetings , you know , about something .Grad C: Mm - hmm .Professor B: In this case , itdoesn't really make sense . Um , so what I 'd like to do is also have our subjects sign a waiver saying " Idon't want to see the final transcript " .Grad C: Mm - hmm .Professor B: And if they don't {disfmarker} Ifthey say " no , I 'm not willing to sign that " , then we 'll show them the final transcript . But , um .GradC: Yep . Makes sense .Professor B: That , uh {disfmarker} yeah , so we might actually , um S i Jane maysay that , " you know , you can't do this " , uh , " on the same form , we need a separate form . " Butanyway . I 'd {disfmarker} I 'd {disfmarker} I 'd like to , e e um , add an a little thi eh {disfmarker} athing for them to initial , saying " nah , do I don't want to see the final transcript . "Grad C: Mm - hmm


Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay , welcome to the second meeting of this uhdesign group . Um {vocalsound} I'll briefly go through the uh notes of the of the last meeting uh justdone in in note form and I haven't attributed anything to individuals , because we're working strictly as ateam here and uh n nobody's working equally ,User Interface: Sorry .Project Manager: so uh . Um we wes we saw that the the problems with existing remote controls were the uh b a boring shape and boringcolour . Um and and we s we saw that the um what we needed to do was to to make sure the device umcontrols several items , that switching was easy , that you shouldn't need to point the thing at uhanything in particular , um that it need to be contoured to make it interesting , that the keys might beconcave , simply because that hasn't been done before that we know of . Um should haveinterchangeable fascias so people can personalise it , um illuminated so that people can see it in darkrooms . Um and that people might want it as as {disfmarker} in addition to their existing remote controls. Um {vocalsound} and that it sh it should just always work , whenever you uh um mm uh use it . Andthat it shouldn't be too small , mm that it it gets lost . Um . {gap} Now uh uh I'll shortly ask for for threethree presentations . Uh before I do that , however , I will go through some new project requirementsthat um {disfmarker} the the management have placed on us and uh will be challenging in terms of whatwe discussed at the first meeting . Um the uh the ma the management has had it's own thoughts on thisand uh the they don't necessarily agree with with what we uh we thought . Um and and then we'll{disfmarker} as a result of that we will then talk through the the functions that we see the the device umactually b carrying out , and we have uh forty minutes to do this in and I uh {disfmarker} Anyway . Okay. Now , the n the new requirements are um the the management team see that um teletext is no longerof any importance given the uh the rise of the internet . Um and and they want it only to cover televisions. Um now , what is not q quite clear from their directive is whether they mean th they don't want it tocover teletext or whether they don't want it to cover , you know , videos , D_V_D_s , um satellite boxes ,which uh {disfmarker} I mean we saw as being fundamental to the uh to the exercise . The um the actualwording of the directive is that it should cover television only . Um and on that basis um I I think we weneed to bear that in mind , um but possibly uh keep at the backs of our minds that the reality that peopleeven when they uh no longer {disfmarker} they don't look at teletext anymore , they certainly do look atother things . Um {vocalsound} the device has to incorporate the company logo and colours . Um the thelogo uh being at b the bottom of the screen there , the the the two R_s in grey against uh a yellowbackground . Um now this doesn't {vocalsound} necessarily mean that we have to give up some of ourideas about making it attractive to the t to the market . But uh do do introduce some some constraints asto how we might do that . Um it also has to be simple , which to some extent goes along w with the firstone , and that {disfmarker} we've already said that it must be simple 'cause that's what people wantanyway . Um but they also want it to be simple to get it to the market quickly , which um mm{vocalsound} uh is is is their choice , but uh um we we need to talk that through . Um okay , so uh afterthe meeting it'll be summarised and uhIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: um notes sent out and uh etcetera . Okay , so {vocalsound} we'll first ofall mm have individual reports from everybody . Um again I {vocalsound} {disfmarker} there is no orderof precedence here um so I I I'll leave it up to you to {disfmarker} who who who thinks they would like togo go first ?Marketing: Uh I don't mind . {gap}Project Manager: P fine .Marketing: Uh can I steal thecable ?Project Manager: Oh sorry , you can indeed .Marketing: Cheers .Project Manager: {vocalsound}{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} I got a {disfmarker} how do I start there ?ProjectManager: Oh , if you click on the um uh the one that that looks like a projection screen , no the one tothe right of that . That one .Marketing: That one . Cool . Well these are functionality requirements fromthe {disfmarker} our our guys down in the the research lab . Took hundred people and covered all theaspects of what um is needed by people and what they want to see . Um {vocalsound} everything kindafrom functionality and how individual functions are {disfmarker} how mu how how often they're used andhow much their necessary and stuff . And general opinions about current current remotes . See that , as


Grad G: headphones that aren't so uncomfortable .PhD B: I think {disfmarker} Well , this should be offthe record ,Professor D: Hmm .PhD B: but I think {disfmarker}Professor D: Uh , OK .Professor A: We 'renot recording yet , are we ?Grad G: Well , I don't think {disfmarker}PhD F: No , uh , that {disfmarker}that wasn't recorded .Grad G: No . Um , I don't think they 're designed to be over your ears .PhD B: Yeah, I know . It just {disfmarker} it really hurts . It gives you a headache , like if you {disfmarker} On yourtemple {disfmarker}PhD F: Temple squeezers .PhD B: Yeah .Grad G: Yep .PhD B: Yeah .Professor D: Mm- hmm .Grad G: But I definitely {pause} haven't figured it out .Professor A: Um , Meeting Recordermeeting .PhD F: I guess I have to d stop doing this sigh of contentment , you know , after sippingcappuccino or something .PhD B: Yeah , with the {disfmarker} We kno I know .Grad G: " Sip , sigh ."PhD B: We know exactly how much you have left in your cup .PhD F: I was just noticing a big sProfessorD: So are we recording now ? Is this {disfmarker}PhD E: Yeah .Professor D: Oh ! We 're {disfmarker} we're {disfmarker} we 're live . OK .PhD E: Yeah .Professor D: So , uh , {vocalsound} what were we gonnatalk about again ? So we said {disfmarker} we said data collection , which we 're doing .PhD B: Were wegonna do digits ?Professor A: OK . Do we do th do you go around the room {pause} and do names oranything ?Grad G: I think that {disfmarker}PhD E: It 's a good idea .Grad G: u usually we 've done thatand also we 've s done digits as well , but I forgot to print any out . So . Besides with this big a group,PhD B: You can write them on the board , if you want .Professor D: No . I it 'd be even better with thisbig {disfmarker}Grad G: it would take too much time .PhD E: Which way is {disfmarker}Grad G: Yeah ,but it takes too much time .PhD E: Mari ?Postdoc H: What {disfmarker}Professor A: What ?Professor D:It 's not that long .PhD E: Y I think your {disfmarker} your {disfmarker} your thing {nonvocalsound}may be pointing in a funny direction . Sort of it 's {disfmarker} it helps if it points sort of upwards.Professor A: Whoops .PhD E: Sort of it {disfmarker} you know .Professor A: Would it {disfmarker}mPhD E: Yeah .Professor D: w uPhD E: So that thing {disfmarker} the little {disfmarker} th that partshould be pointing upwards .Professor A: So {disfmarker} Oh , this thing .PhD E: That 's it . Yeah.Professor A: Yeah .Postdoc H: Otherwise you just get a heartbeats .Professor A: It 's kind of{disfmarker}Professor D: Oh , yeah , the element , yeah , n should be as close to you {disfmarker} yourmouth as possible .Professor A: Yeah . OK .PhD E: That 's good . That kind of thing is good .Postdoc H: It's a {disfmarker}Professor A: This w Alright .PhD E: Yeah .Professor A: How 's that working ?Professor D:Yeah .PhD E: Oh , yeah . It 's a {disfmarker} It 's working .Professor A: OK .Professor D: Alright . Sowhat we had {pause} was that we were gonna talk about data collection , and , um , uh , you{disfmarker} you put up there data format ,Professor A: Um .Professor D: and other tasks during datacollection ,Professor A: So , I think the goal {disfmarker} the goal was what can we do {disfmarker} howcan you do the data collection differently to get {disfmarker}Professor D: and {disfmarker}Professor A:what can you add to it to get , um , some information that would be helpful for the user - interface design? Like {disfmarker}Grad G: Uh , especially for querying .Professor A: Especially for querying . So ,getting people to do queries afterwards , getting people to do summaries afterwards . Um .Postdoc H:Well , one thing that came up in the morning {disfmarker} in the morning was the , um , i uh , if he{disfmarker} I , um {disfmarker} if he has {disfmarker} s I {disfmarker} I don't remember , Mister Lan- Doctor Landry ?Grad G: Landay . James .Postdoc H: La - Landay ? So he has , um , these , uh , um , tsk{comment} note - taking things ,Professor A: Mm - hmm .Postdoc H: then that would sort of be asummary which you wouldn't have to solicit . y if {disfmarker} if we were able to {disfmarker} to do that.Professor A: Well , if {disfmarker} if you actually take notes as a summary as opposed to n take notes inthe sense of taking advantage of the time - stamps . So action item or uh , reminder to send this to so -and - so , blah - blah - blah .Postdoc H: Mm - hmm .Professor A: So that wouldn't be a summary . Thatwould just be {disfmarker} that would b relate to the query side .Grad G: But if we had the CrossPads ,we could ask people , you know , if {disfmarker} if something comes up {vocalsound} write it down andmark it {vocalsound} {pause} somehow ,Postdoc H: Mm - hmm .PhD E: Right . I mean , we{disfmarker} because you 'd have several people with these pads , you could collect different things


Grad G: Time .Grad C: Thanks .Grad G: Are you Fey ?Undergrad D: I am Fey , yeah .Grad G: Oh .Grad B:What day is today ?Undergrad D: Hi .Grad G: Hi . I think we 've met before , like , I remember talking toyou about Aspect or something like that at some point or other .Undergrad D: A couple times yeah .GradF: It 's the uh twenty {disfmarker} nineteenth .Grad B: Nineteenth ?Undergrad D: That 's right , yeah.Grad G: So .Undergrad D: And you were my GSI briefly , until I dropped the class .Grad F: Grad B: Right, right .Grad G: Oh that 's right .Undergrad D: But .Grad G: Well .Grad C: OK , wh whGrad G: No offense.Grad C: Yeah .Grad G: Like .Grad C: OK . Some in some introductions are in order .Grad G: Oh , OKsorry .Grad C: OK .Grad G: Getting ahead of myself .Grad C: So . Um . For those who don't know{disfmarker} Everyone knows me , this is great . Um , apart from that , sort of the old gang , Johno andBhaskara have been with us from {disfmarker} from day oneGrad G: Yay !Grad E: Hi .Grad C: and umthey 're engaged in {disfmarker} in various activities , some of which you will hear about today . Ami isum our counselor and spiritual guidance and um also interested in problems concerning reference of themore complex type ,PhD A: Well .Grad E: Oh wow .Grad C: and um he sits in as a interested participantand helper . Is that a good characterization ?PhD A: u That 's pretty good , I think .Grad C: I don't know.PhD A: Yeah . Thanks .Grad C: OK . Keith is not technically one of us yet ,Grad E: Not yet .Grad C: ha -ha . but um it 's too late for him now .Grad G: " One of us . "Grad C: So .Grad E: Yeah right . I 've got theheadset on after all .Grad C: Um . Officially I guess he will be joining us in the summer .Grad E: yes.Grad C: And um hopefully it is by {disfmarker} by means of Keith that we will be able to get a b a betterformal and a better semantic um idea of what a construction is and um how we can make it work for us .Additionally his interest um surpasses um English because it also entails German , an extra capability ofspeaking and writing and understanding and reading that language . And um , is there anyone whodoesn't know Nancy ? Do you {disfmarker} do you know Nancy ?Grad G: Me ?Grad E: I know Nancy.Grad G: Mm - hmm .Grad B: I made that joke already , Nancy , sadly .Grad C: OK .Grad G: What ?GradB: The " I don't know myself " joke .Grad G: You did ? When ?Grad B: Uh before you came in .Grad G: Oh.Grad E: Man !Grad G: About me or you ?Grad B: About me .Grad G: OK . {vocalsound} OK .PhD A: Youcould do it about you .Grad B: Yeah .Grad G: Well I didn't know . I didn't mean to be humor copying , butOK , sorry . Yes , I know myself . It 's OK .Grad C: OK .Grad G: It 's a {disfmarker}Grad C: And um Feyis with us as of six days ago officially ?Undergrad D: Officially ,Grad C: Officially ,Undergrad D: yeah.Grad C: but in reality already um much much longer and um um next to some {disfmarker} some moreor less bureaucratic uh stuff with the {disfmarker} the data collection she 's also the wizard in the datacollection Um ,Grad G: Of Oz .Undergrad D: It 's very exciting .Grad C: we 're sticking with the term "wizard " ,Undergrad D: Yes .Grad C: OK .Undergrad D: Yes .Grad C: and umGrad G: Not witch - like.Grad B: Wizardette .Grad E: Wizard .Grad F: Wizardess .Grad C: Sorceress , I think .Grad G: OK.Undergrad D: Wizard .Grad C: wizard uh by by popular voteGrad G: OK .Grad C: umGrad G: Didn't takea vote ? OK .Grad C: OK , um , why don't we get started on that subject anyways . Um , so we 're aboutto collect data and um the uh s the following things have happened since we last met . When will wethree meet again ? And umGrad G: More than three of us .Grad C: what happened is that um , " A " ,{comment} there was some confusion between you and Jerry with the {disfmarker} that leading to yourtalking to Catherine Snow , and he was uh he {disfmarker} he agreed completely that some somethingconfusing happened . Um his idea was to get sort of the l the lists of mayors of the department , thestudents . It {disfmarker} it 's exactly how you interpreted it , sort of sGrad E: The list of majors in thedepartment ?Undergrad D: M m Majors ?Grad C: Ma - majors , majors .Undergrad D: Majors ?Grad C: "Mayors " .Undergrad D: OK , mayor {disfmarker}Grad C: Majors .Undergrad D: Something I don't knowabout theseGrad G: The department has many mayors .Grad C: Majors and um just sending the{disfmarker} the little write - up that we did on to those email listsUndergrad D: OK . OK . Yeah , yeah ,yeah . But {disfmarker} Yeah .Grad C: uh {disfmarker}Undergrad D: So it was really Carol Snow whowas confused , not me and not Jerry .Grad C: Yep , yep , yep . OK . So . So , that is uh{disfmarker}Undergrad D: That 's good . So I should still do that .Grad C: Yep .Undergrad D: OK .Grad


Project Manager: Good .Industrial Designer: Beep . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Oh .Project Manager: Sowell uhUser Interface: What ?Project Manager: welcome everyone .User Interface: Yeah .ProjectManager: Um as you may have noticed I uhUser Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: created separate folders because it was uh tending to get a little busy inour uh shared project documents uh folder .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: I don't know ifeverybody uh put their own uh documents in the right folder , which is for now the detailed designmeeting .Marketing: That's new one ?Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: We didn't make any uh{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Uh , we should save that one . {vocalsound}User Interface: Oh in{disfmarker}Project Manager: Then I'll move this one .User Interface: Didn't we just do that ?IndustrialDesigner: Yeah , save in the folder . Save as project .User Interface: Oh .Project Manager: Oh no , this isjust one big document , so you can leave that wherever it is .Industrial Designer: Oh , okay .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} And we have a evaluation left here .User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Hmm hmm .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Agenda .Project Manager: Well notmain documents this time . Oh uh yes .User Interface: Hmm ?Project Manager: I have it open myself Iguess . Um well the detailed design meeting {disfmarker} Huh ? We're finally getting somewherehopefully .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um what arewe going to do ? I've opened it already . Um I'm still going to take some minutes , and if I'm right , youtwo are going to give a prototype presentation ?Industrial Designer: Oh , sorry .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {gap}Project Manager: Aren't you ?User Interface: We could .{vocalsound}Project Manager: Yes , you are .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}ProjectManager: And uh m did you do something with evaluation criteria ?Marketing: Yep . Yep .ProjectManager: Good . And we have a correct agenda . And uh then we have to look at something which is lessnice , the finance uh aspect , whether we can afford what we have designed ,User Interface: Oops .{vocalsound}Project Manager: and if we can we can uh commence the final part which is the productionor project evaluation , how did we work together and what are the results , and how happy are we withthose . Okay , well finance uh will be later . Now I'd like to give the word to you two .User Interface: Yeah.Industrial Designer: Okay .User Interface: {vocalsound} Well uhIndustrial Designer: Get up stand up .{gap} just {disfmarker}User Interface: we made a prototype .Industrial Designer: 'Kay .User Interface:We first start with the overall uh {disfmarker} This is about the total remote control .Industrial Designer:View .User Interface: We made it green .Industrial Designer: Just example colour ,User Interface: Yeah.Industrial Designer: so uh there's one of the colours we would like to uh see in our prototype .UserInterface: It's a fresh colour . And uh the screen light blue . Oh uh this the scroll button and themicrophone on the on the sides here under . And the R_ and R_ logo , it just says R_ and R_ now , but uh{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Okay ?User Interface: Any questions so far ? {vocalsound}Marketing:Big microphone .Industrial Designer: {gap} yeah ,User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: just uh justan idea about how to m th that could also be possible .Marketing: Oh okay . That's the place where it'sgoing to be , not the size . {gap}User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Uh well , it's an idea in a{disfmarker} so .User Interface: Oh y you {disfmarker} perhaps you should make it a bit big , so peopleknow it's there and uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Do not forget it .User Interface: Uh{disfmarker}Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: To function it it doesn't really have to be sm uhbig of course .User Interface: Hmm .Marketing: Yeah , okay . Of course .Industrial Designer: Themicrophone could be just a minor uh hole uh on the left uh button .Marketing: Mm . Mm , th yeah.Industrial Designer: Okay umMarketing: Small .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} we also made someuh ideas about how uh the options menu would work . Uh using the scroll button on sides uh y uh I uhum {gap} {disfmarker}User Interface: You push the scroll buttonIndustrial Designer: Yeah , you pushthe scroll buttonUser Interface: and it's claps out if there's a {disfmarker} {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: and a drop down menu or a pull out menu comes out and uh you get uh you get the options uhbecoming available . For example uh T_V_ settings , uh remote settings , et cetera .User Interface:


Lynne Neagle AM: Okay. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and EducationCommittee. We've received apologies for absence from Janet Finch-Saunders, and also from DawnBowden, and I'd like to welcome Huw Irranca-Davies, who is substituting for Dawn Bowden. Can I askMembers if there are any declarations of interest, please? No. Okay. We'll move on, then, to our evidencesession for our inquiry on school improvement and raising standards. I'd like to welcome Kirsty WilliamsAM, Minister for Education, and Steve Davies, director of education. Thank you both for attending and foryour detailed paper in advance of the meeting. We've got a lot of ground to cover, so we'll go straightinto questions, if that's okay. If I can just start by asking you: to what extent is the Organisation forEconomic Co-operation and Development still involved in the Welsh Government's school improvementjourney?Kirsty Williams AM: First of all, can I thank the committee for their invitation this morning, andtheir interest in this particular area? As you will be aware, on coming into office, the director and I agreedto ask the OECD to do a rapid review of the state of Welsh education at the beginning of this Assemblyterm. They did that, and the feedback from that work informed the publication and content of thenational mission. I was very clear in the national mission that I would invite the OECD back to review ourprogress against that mission, and that has happened in the tail end of last year, and the OECD willpublish their latest report on Welsh education next month now, in March. So, the expectation is that thereport will be published on 23 March, and my intention is to make a statement to the Chamber on 24March. The nature of that review is part of our ongoing development of self-evaluation. So, we talk a lotabout self-evaluation in the school system. Actually, the continuing relationship with OECD is aboutself-evaluation of the entirety of the system and Welsh Government. We don't want to accept our ownorthodoxy and just be in a bubble where we are constantly listening to ourselves and those people whomight want to agree with us or tell us what we want to hear. So, the OECD is our best attempt of havingsome external verification of where we are. That's a risk for Ministers and for Government, because wewant them to give an honest evaluation of where we are, but that's a really important tool for me, toensure that we're constantly testing ourselves. The nature of that review is that the OECD were able totalk to whoever they felt it was important to talk to, so that included practitioners on the ground,elements of the middle tier, as well as Welsh Government. And I know, Chair—I hope you'll be pleased tohear this—that the reports of this committee have formed parts of their review, looking at how theSenedd itself has contributed to and has held the Government to account. So, as I said, we expect ourreport to be published towards the end of March.Lynne Neagle AM: Okay, thank you, Minister. Can I askabout the powers under the School Standards and Organisation (Wales) Act 2013, to ask you to tell usabout the use of those powers either by Welsh Government or by local authorities, and how effective youfeel that legislation has been?Kirsty Williams AM: Okay. Well, as you'll be aware, local authorities havequite extensive powers of intervention in schools if they feel that is necessary. If I'm honest, I thinkthere's a mixed picture, with some local authorities using those powers not on a regular basis, butobviously demonstrating a willingness to use those powers. There are other local authorities who don'tseem to have used them. Since that legislation came into being, there have been a number of reasons,because of course a local authority has to give a reason for using those powers of intervention. Theyusually focus on standards, but sometimes they focus on a breakdown in governance arrangements,perhaps, or a failure or a breakdown in financial management. So, sometimes the budgetary issuestrigger an intervention power. And the types of interventions that have been used have included, in somecases, appointing additional governors to governing bodies, or suspending a school's delegated budget sothe local authority takes on, then, financial control of that particular school, or sometimes applying to theWelsh Government to entirely replace a governing body and establish an intervention board. So, if I cangive you an example of where that's been used and has been successful, in Flintshire. They applied toWelsh Government for two interim executive boards, in Sir Richard Gwyn Catholic High School and inYsgol Trefonnen. They applied to us. Those governing bodies were dissolved. The IEBs were put in placeand both of those schools, which had been in special measures, moved quite rapidly, actually, out of


User Interface: {gap}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} How do you wear thisthing ?Project Manager: Hmm . Mm mm mm . {vocalsound}User Interface: Not too many cables andstuff .Marketing: {gap}User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound} Original . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Is recorded ? Okay ?Okay so welcome everyone . So we are here for the kickoff meeting of uh the process of designing a newremote control . So I will first start with a warm welcome opening {vocalsound} stuff ,User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: then uh we will uh see what will be uh our product and what will be thedifferent step we will have to design it . And uh then we will uh discuss if we have few ideas and we willuh end uh by uh dispatching the different task you will be {disfmarker} you will have to fulfil to completethis process . So {disfmarker}User Interface: Uh . Just one thing . Uh , you said twenty-five minutes ,but I have something else to do uh , so gotta have another meeting uh soon ,Project Manager:{vocalsound}User Interface: so maybe you could hurry up a bit {disfmarker}Project Manager:{vocalsound} sorry ?User Interface: It's true . I have another meeting so if you could uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: You have another meeting soon ?User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager:So you have to be quick .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah , for the lawnmowerproject .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: So the the goal is to have aremote control so to have an advantage over our competitors we have to be original , we have to betrendy and we have to also try to be user-friendly .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So uhthe design step will be divided in three uh main points . First it will be the functional design . Third is theconceptual design and then is the desired design . So the functional design is to identify the main userneeds , the technical function the remote control should fulfil . And then we will move to f conceptualdesign where we'll specify the different component involved , what kind of user interf interface we wantand what are the different uh trend in user interface and stuff like that .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: And then the desired devi design will consist in uh specificallyimplementing {vocalsound} and detailing the choice we've uh made in the second point . So I will nowask you which is very important for the design of a new remote control for to uh each of us to to draw uhyour favourite animal on the white board .User Interface: {vocalsound} What an original idea .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Do you have any idea of which animal you want to show us ? {vocalsound}UserInterface: Orangutan .Project Manager: Okay {vocalsound} that's good .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: No no nProject Manager: {vocalsound} nn {gap}User Interface: Can I give you theProject Manager: You should {disfmarker}User Interface:{disfmarker} no ? But I don't have to say anything . When I'm drawing the orangutan .Project Manager:{vocalsound} {vocalsound} If you want to react uh about this wonderful drawing uh {vocalsound} I'll letyou uh comment .User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: It's an abstract drawing of an orangutan .ProjectManager: Okay it's an abstract drawing .User Interface: Yes .Project Manager: I think it's nice andoriginal . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} You should write y the name I think .{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: I don't have a red colour . Usually orangutans havered hair so this is a very important but I don't have red pen , so {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay.User Interface: {vocalsound} Yes .Project Manager: You want to draw something Christine ?{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay uhsorry . You have to imagine a little bit {vocalsound} um .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: This{disfmarker}Project Manager: Of course your animal is recorded so it's not lost . {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} Sorry too {vocalsound} uh .User Interface: Yes . I know .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Is this uh{disfmarker}User Interface: Wha what is this strange beast ?Marketing: Is it beautiful ?{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Is it a