Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So we are here for theconcept design meeting . So , we will first start by summarizing the mm {vocalsound} the previousmeeting and the decision we've taken . Uh I will take notes during this meeting so uh that you can uhlook at my uh folder to see the summary of this meeting afterwards . So each of you will uh show us thevarious investigation they've done during uh previous uh hours . We'll then t take decision in concert andthen uh uh we will uh define the nest {disfmarker} next task , to have {disfmarker} to be done beforethe next meeting . So , last time we decided to have a simple interface . We also decided to have a wheelto change channel {disfmarker} previous channel button . Channel digit uh buttons should be uhprotected by plastic cover or something for the remote control to look very simple . We have also buttonfor volume , and to switch on off the T_V_ . We have also uh the lightening feature for the remote controlto be easy to find , and for fast development and low cost we have decided to have no L_C_D_ no voicefeatures . So now uh we will have three presentations . So the conceptual specification by IndustrialDesigner , the specification of the U_I_ by {disfmarker} or U_I_ {vocalsound}User Interface: Abdulal-Hasred is my name .Project Manager: okay . {vocalsound} And uh the last point is uh trend watchingby Market Expert . So maybe we can start with uh industrial design . So this is the presentation.Industrial Designer: Uh , I_D_ you want ?Project Manager: Maybe I can switch slide uh on your request.Industrial Designer: Yeah . I only v have three slides , so . I just look at the mm {disfmarker} um justthis . On some web pages to find some documentationProject Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: and Ithink a remote control is , as I s mentioned previously , you just have a a very simple chip and the mmthe user interface is just done usually by push button and in our case we are using a um a wheel control .So uh uh I was looking basically for that chip , which is uh very very standard , and uh I just looked forthe wheel sensor and the standard push button . And um {vocalsound} yeah we can change directly.Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: In fact I have the number of that element which is verystandard for remote control . The push button are usually extremely cheap , but I just have one problemand this is related with the wheel sensor , which seems to be quite expensive .Project Manager: Okay.User Interface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: And I think we if we could just talk about that if we reallyneed a wheel sensor or if we can not {disfmarker} if if we could combine something with the push button.Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Uh a wheel sensor is fifty time the price of a a a push button.User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: But is it a significant price on the whole remote control ?UserInterface: Mm .Project Manager: Because we can afford up to twelve Euros for the price of the remotecontrol .Industrial Designer: Yeah . YeahProject Manager: So will will will this with uh including allpossible things , so buttons , wheel and the chip , be uh lower than twelve Euros to produce ?IndustrialDesigner: I I th {vocalsound} But I don't think that uh we should {disfmarker} We should talk about uhthe design of the box also which needs some money .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: OkayUserInterface: Also have to say {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: But {disfmarker}User Interface: Did youreceive the email about the voice recognition ?Industrial Designer: Um that's all {vocalsound}UserInterface: No ?Project Manager: You received something {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: yeah . Ihaven't checUser Interface: Yeah . You we uh an email from the manufacturing division that they havebasically a voice recognition chip already developed .Project Manager: Hmm .User Interface: Says{disfmarker} Yeah . It says that ri right now they just use it to uh to record uh answers to particularquestions . But I guess it could be {disfmarker}Project Manager: And could it be adapted ?UserInterface: I guess it's possible . I mean instead of recording the answers you can just uh record uhsomething simpler like a command .Project Manager: Okay and there can uh recognize some commandsand stuff ?User Interface: Yeah you reco recognize commands and you can record new commands andstuff , so if they already have it as uh as a chipProject Manager: Okay . Yeah .User Interface: then we wecould use it .Project Manager: Okay maybe we can just uh listen to this presentation and then takedecision later on {disfmarker} according to those news .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface:Okay .Industrial Designer: Yeah but I think it's yeah {disfmarker} Sorry , I haven't written my personal


Grad A: OK , this is one channel . Can you uh , say your name and talk into your mike one at a time ?PhDC: This is Eric on channel three , I believe .Grad A: OK . Uh , I don't think it 's on there , Jane .UndergradD: Tasting one two three , tasting .Postdoc E: OK , this is Jane on channel five .Grad A: Uh , I still don'tsee you Jane .Postdoc E: Oh , darn , what am I doing wrong ?Undergrad D: Can you see me on channelfour ? Really ?Grad A: Yeah , I sUndergrad D: My lucky day .Postdoc E: Uh , screen no , {disfmarker} it is, oh , maybe it just warmed up ?Grad A: No .Postdoc E: Oh , darn , can you can't see channel five yet?Grad A: Uh , well , the mike isn't close enough to your mouth , so .Postdoc E: Oh , this would be k OK ,is that better ?Grad A: S uh , try speaking loudly ,Undergrad D: I like the high quality labelling .Grad A:so ,Postdoc E: Hello ,Grad A: OK , good .Undergrad D: David , can we borrow your labelling machine toimprove the quality of the labelling a little bit here ?Postdoc E: hello . Alright .Grad A: Thank you .PhD B:One tUndergrad D: How {disfmarker} how many are there , one to five ?PhD B: One five , yeah.Undergrad D: Yeah , please .Postdoc E: Would you like to join the meeting ?Grad A: Well , we don'twanna renumber them ,Postdoc E: I bet {disfmarker}Grad A: cuz we 've already have like , forms filledout with the numbers on them . So , let 's keep the same numbers on them .PhD B: Yeah , OK , that 's agood idea .Grad A: OK , Dan , are you on ?PhD B: I 'm on {disfmarker} I 'm on two and I should be on.Grad A: Good .PhD B: Yeah .Undergrad D: Want to join the meeting , Dave ? Do we {disfmarker} do{disfmarker} do we have a spare , uh {disfmarker}Grad A: And I 'm getting lots of responses ondifferent ones , so I assume {pause} the various and assorted P Z Ms are on .Undergrad D: We ' r we 're{disfmarker} we ' r This is {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} this is a meeting meeting .Postdoc E: This isabou we 're {disfmarker} we 're mainly being taped but we 're gonna talk about , uh , transcription forthe m future meeting meetings .Grad A: Stuff . Yeah , this is not something you need to attend . So.Postdoc E: Yeah . e OK .PhD C: You 're always having one of those days , Dave .Postdoc E: Y you 'd bewelcome .Grad A: Besides , I don't want anyone who has a weird accent .Postdoc E: You 'd be welcome.Grad A: Right , Dan ?Undergrad D: So , I don't understand if it 's neck mounted you don't get very goodperformance .PhD C: It 's not neck mounted . It 's supposed to be h head mounted .Undergrad D: Yeah .It {disfmarker} it should be head mounted . Right ?Grad A: Well , then put it on your head .PhD B: Idon't know .PhD C: Right .Grad A: What are you doing ?Undergrad D: Cuz when you do this , you can{disfmarker} Rouww - Rouww .Postdoc E: Why didn't I {disfmarker} you were saying that but I couldhear you really well on the {disfmarker} on the transcription {disfmarker} on the , uh , tape .Grad A:Well , I m I would prefer that people wore it on their headPhD B: I {disfmarker} I don't know .PhD C:iGrad A: but they were complaining about it . Because it 's not {disfmarker} it doesn't go over the ears.Undergrad D: Why ?Postdoc E: It 's badly designed .Grad A: It 's very badly designed so it 's{disfmarker}PhD B: It 's very badly designed ?Undergrad D: What do you mean it doesn't go over theears ?PhD B: Why ? It 's not s It 's not supposed to cover up your ears .Grad A: Yeah but , there 'snowhere to put the pad so it 's comfortable .PhD B: I mean , it 's only badly {disfmarker}Postdoc E: Sothat 's what you 're d He 's got it on his temples so it cuts off his circulation .PhD B: Oh , that 's strange.PhD C: Yeah , that 's {disfmarker} that 's what I have .Grad A: And it feels so good that way .PhD C: Itfeels so good when I stop .Grad A: So I {disfmarker} I again would like to do some digits .Undergrad D:Somebody wanna {disfmarker}Postdoc E: Try it .Grad A: Um .Undergrad D: Somebody wanna close thedoor ?Grad A: Sure .PhD B: OK .Postdoc E: We could do it with noise .Grad A: So let me {disfmarker}PhDC: You 're always doing digits .Grad A: Well , you know , I 'm just that sort of {disfmarker} digit - y gsorta guy . OK . So this is Adam .Postdoc E: Uh , this is the same one I had before .Grad A: I doubt it.PhD B: It 's still the same words .Grad A: I think we 're session four by the way . Or m it might be five.Undergrad D: Psss ! Oh , that 's good .Postdoc E: NoGrad A: I didn't bring my previous thing .PhD B: Wedidn't {disfmarker}Postdoc E: Now , just to be sure , the numbers on the back , this is the channel ?PhDB: That 's the microphone number .Postdoc E: That 's the microphone number .Grad A: Yeah , d leave thechannel blank .Postdoc E: Uh - oh . OK , good .Undergrad D: But number has to be {disfmarker} ? So wehave to look up the number .Postdoc E: Five {disfmarker}Grad A: Right .Undergrad D: OK , good


Project Manager: Good morning . Sorry ? Yeah , busy job . Good morning . So {disfmarker} Oh , goodmorning everyone .User Interface: Good morning .Industrial Designer: Good morning .Project Manager:I'd uh like to welcome you to our first meeting . I've prepared a little presentation . My name is {gap}and uh I hope you will introduce yourself uh in a few minutes , as will I . Um I'm the Project Manager ofthis project , and uh , well I will tell you {gap} on what actually is the project . This is uh the agenda forour first meeting . Um this is the opening , then we will get {disfmarker} {gap} I will hope we will getacquainted to each other . We'll do a little tool training with these two things . We'll take a look at theproject plan . Uh there will be time for discussion . Actually we have to discuss because we have to createa product . And then we will close this session . Um but first of all we I'd like to uh introduce you to thisroom . Um as you probably have noticed there are little black uh fields on the table . Um you have to putyour laptop exactly in that field so the little cameras can see your face . Um there are camerasIndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Project Manager: everywhere around the room especially here for your face , ofcourse , and this isn't a pie , it's a a set of microphonesIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: and there are microphones here also . But please uh don't be afraid of them .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: They won't hurt you . Um well uhUser Interface: Well{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I said I'm the Project Manager and uhI'm hoping uh for a good project and uh I'd like to hear uh who you are and what your functions are uhon this project . Let's start with the ladies {vocalsound} {vocalsound} .User Interface: Well uh I'm uh{gap} and my uh function is User Interface Design , I think .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound} So uh that's me .Industrial Designer: Okay , uh I'm {gap} uh I'm the IndustrialDesigner and I uh hope to uh {disfmarker} look forward to uh a very uh pleasing uh end of this uhproject .Project Manager: Okay , so I .User Interface: Me too .Marketing: My name's {gap} . I'm uh{vocalsound} Marketing Expert . {vocalsound} My job is in the company to promote company or promoteproducts to the customers . So I also h hope we have a pleasant uh working with uh with each other.Project Manager: Okay , well we have some expertise from uh different pieces of the of the company.User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: That's good . Um well I said uh we're working on aproject and the aim for the project is to to create a {disfmarker} to design a new remote control whichuh has to be original , trendy and of course , user friendly . {vocalsound} And uh I hope we have theexpertise to create such a project {disfmarker} such a product . Um the way we hope to achieve that isuh the following methods . It consists of three phases , namely the functional design , conceptual designand detailed design . As you can see , all of these phases consists of two parts , namely individual workpart and a meeting where we will discuss uh our work so far . Okay . But first I will uh tell you somethingabout the tools we have here . I already talked about the cameras and microphones , but they are not ofuh much use to us . Uh we will have to take advantage of these two things . They are smart boards . Asyou can see , you can give a presentation on them . And uh this one here is a white board . I will uhinstruct you about that soon . Um as you also noticed uh this presentation document is in our uh projectfolder and every document you put in this folder uh is uh it is possible to show that here in our meetingroom . Um and yeah there are available on both smart boards but I think we will uh mainly use this onefor the documents in the shared folder . As you can see , this is the same tool bar uh as is located here .Um the most functions uh we will use will be to to add a new page , um uh to go back and forwardbetween pages , and of course uh to save it every now and then . Um and this is the pen with which youcan draw on the board , for instance like this if everything's okay ,User Interface: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: but I first have to put it on the pen , you see I'm new to it too .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Um and then you can write things like test or whatever you want.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Oh .Project Manager: As you can see you have tomove it a little bit slow , it's not such a fast board , it's a smart board but also a slow board .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh but you can write things and ofcourse you can also , when you click here , uh erase things , so we have uh est left . And um you can also


Professor E: So . OK . Doesn't look like it crashed . That 's great .Grad G: So I think maybe what 'scausing it to crash is I keep starting it and then stopping it to see if it 's working . And so I think startingit and then stopping it and starting it again causes it to crash . So , I won't do that anymore .Postdoc B:And it looks like you 've found a way of uh mapping the location to the {disfmarker} without havingpeople have to give their names each time ?PhD A: Sounds like an initialization thing .Postdoc B: I meanit 's like you have the {disfmarker} So you know that {disfmarker}Grad G: No .Postdoc B: I mean , areyou going to write down {pause} that I sat here ?Grad G: I 'm gonna collect the digit forms and write itdown .Postdoc B: OK .PhD C: Oh , OK .Grad G: So {disfmarker} So they should be right with what 's onthe digit forms . OK , so I 'll go ahead and start with digits . u And I should say that uh , you just pau youjust read each line an and then pause briefly .Professor E: And start by giving the transcript number .PhDA: TranPhD D: Transcript {disfmarker} Uh . OK , OK .PhD A: Oh sorry , go ahead .Professor E: So uh ,you see , Don , the unbridled excitement of the work that we have on this project .Grad H: OK .ProfessorE: It 's just uh {disfmarker}Grad H: Umh .Professor E: Uh , you know , it doesn't seem like a bad idea tohave {comment} that information .Grad G: And I 'm surprised I sort of {disfmarker} I 'm surprised Iforgot that ,Professor E: Yeah , I {disfmarker} I 'd {disfmarker} I think it 's someGrad G: but uh I thinkthat would be a good thing to add . After I just printed out a zillion of them .Professor E: Yeah , well , that's {disfmarker} Um , so I {disfmarker} I do have a {disfmarker} a an agenda suggestion . Uh , we{disfmarker} I think the things that we talk about in this meeting uh tend to be a mixture of uhprocedural uh mundane things and uh research points and um I was thinking I think it was a meeting acouple of weeks ago that we {disfmarker} we spent much of the time talking about the mundane stuffcuz that 's easier to get out of the way and then we sort of drifted into the research and maybe fiveminutes into that Andreas had to leave . So {vocalsound} uh I 'm suggesting we turn it around and{disfmarker} and uh sort of we have {disfmarker} anybody has some mundane points that we couldsend an email later , uh hold them for a bit , and let 's talk about the {disfmarker} the research - y kindof things . Um , so um the one th one thing I know that we have on that is uh we had talked a{disfmarker} a couple weeks before um uh about the uh {disfmarker} the stuff you were doing with{disfmarker} with uh um uh l l attempting to locate events , we had a little go around trying to figure outwhat you meant by " events " but I think , you know , what we had meant by " events " I guess was uhpoints of overlap between speakers . But I th I gather from our discussion a little earlier today that youalso mean uh interruptions with something elsePhD D: Yeah .Professor E: like some other noise .PhD D:Uh - huh . Yeah .Professor E: Yes ? You mean that as an event also .PhD D: ToProfessor E: So at any rateyou were {disfmarker} you 've {disfmarker} you 've done some work on thatPhD D: right .Professor E:and um then the other thing would be it might be nice to have a preliminary discussion of some of theother uh research uh areas that uh we 're thinking about doing . Um , I think especially since you{disfmarker} you haven't been in {disfmarker} in these meetings for a little bit , maybe you have somediscussion of some of the p the plausible things to look at now that we 're starting to get data , uh andone of the things I know that also came up uh is some discussions that {disfmarker} that uh{disfmarker} that uh Jane had with Lokendra uh about some {disfmarker} some {disfmarker} some umuh work about I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I d I {disfmarker} I don't want to try to say cuz I{disfmarker} I 'll say it wrong , but anyway some {disfmarker} some potential collaboration there about{disfmarker} about the {disfmarker} about the {disfmarker} working with these data .PhD C: Oh . Sure.Professor E: So . So , uh .Grad G: You wanna just go around ?Professor E: Uh . {pause} Well , I don'tknow if we {disfmarker} if this is sort of like everybody has something to contribute sort of thing , I thinkthere 's just just a couple {disfmarker} a couple people primarily um but um Uh , wh why don't{disfmarker} Actually I think that {disfmarker} that last one I just said we could do fairly quickly so whydon't you {disfmarker} you start with that .Postdoc B: OK . Shall I {disfmarker} shall I just start ? OK.Professor E: Yeah , just explain what it was .Postdoc B: Um , so , uh , he was interested in the questionof {disfmarker} you know , relating to his {disfmarker} to the research he presented recently , um of


Marketing: Is this okay ?Project Manager: Uh yeah . Fine now . Oh , it's not liking us , it went that-a-way. Computer adjusting . Oh . Uh . Okay . {vocalsound} So . Right . You ready back there ? {vocalsound}Uh okay . Welcome everyone . Um this is the kick-off meeting for the day . Um we're the new group uh tocreate a new remote control for Real Reaction . As you can see our agenda is to open up the meeting ,um become acquainted with each other , um have a little training on tools , uh create a plan , discussthings and and we only have twenty minut twenty five minutes total . Okay . The new remote control is tobe original , trendy and user-friendly . That , Steph , is your part , is the user-friendliness . The originalityum is gonna take all of us . Um the trendiness we'll probably go look at {disfmarker} for some marketingresearch information from you , Sarah . Um and we'll get on with it . Okay , so we'll have a functionaldesign individual work um with meeting and then conceptual design t and then detailed design . Okay ?Right . Everybody's supposed to try out the whiteboard . Kate , why don't you try it first , if you caneither bring your things with you , I guess {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Uh yeah , if I can pick upwith all these bits and pieces , hang on .Project Manager: And while you're doing that we'll try and figureout how to hook these things on as well , 'cause we're all gonna have to be able to walk around.Industrial Designer: Uh right , so you want an animal and the characteristics of that animal .{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Do you have to be able to recognisewhat animal it is ? {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}Project Manager: Uh I do not think so ,User Interface:{vocalsound} {vocalsound} Are we all gonna draw a cat ?Project Manager: I think it's just to try out thewhiteboard . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Ah {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Onlyanimal I could thin I could draw {vocalsound} .Marketing: I know .Industrial Designer: Its a sort ofbunny rabbit cat . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: You can tell it's not a bunny rabbit by the ears .Project Manager: Uh-huh .Industrial Designer:Um I suppose it should have a mouth as well , sort of {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .IndustrialDesigner: Right , yeah .Project Manager: Great . And the characteristics ?Industrial Designer: Um thefavourite characteristics of the cat um {disfmarker} the whiskers I think , um because they're the easiestto draw .Project Manager: Uh-huh .Industrial Designer: In fact , I'll give it some more{disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Oh , and the tailProject Manager:Fantastic . Since you're handy as well , why don't you do yours next , Steph . I think it's to get us used tousing the pen .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yes . Um sure it's not to test our artistic{disfmarker}Project Manager: Uh no . {vocalsound} A mouse-y ?Industrial Designer: It's a mouse .UserInterface: That's not a mouse-y , no .Industrial Designer: No it's not a mouse . It's a wombat .ProjectManager: Oh .User Interface: It's a ratty .Project Manager: Argh .Industrial Designer: A what ?ProjectManager: Rat .User Interface: A ratty .Project Manager: Not a mouse , a rat .Industrial Designer: Awebbed foot . Webbed f {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} It's clothes . That's it's clothes .{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Oh right {vocalsound} .User Interface:It's a ratty with a with a with a very long tail .Project Manager: And your favourite characteristics of thatanimal .User Interface: I love whiskers . Uh they're intelligent and they're cheeky {vocalsound} and uhfantastic petsProject Manager: Oh .User Interface: and very friendly .Project Manager: Okay . Kate?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: And they sit on your shoulder andwhisper the answers to your homework in your ear when you're doing your homework .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: Thanks .Project Manager: Oh , a fish .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Gosh,User Interface: A shark ?Industrial Designer: why didn't I think of fish ? That's even easier to draw thancat . {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm {vocalsound} this is very representational fish . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Oh , okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Fine .Marketing: Um I like thembecause they're sleekProject Manager: Favourite characteristics ?Marketing: and they have a lot offreedom but they also do n uh swim in groups ,Project Manager: 'Kay .Marketing: so .Project Manager:So they have team elements . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Do you have afavourite one ?Project Manager: I'm afraid I'm with Steph . And I think your pen's running out of


Project Manager: Right uh . So um . So where's the PowerPoint presentation ? Sorry ? MicrosoftPowerPoint , right . Right , okay . So . Right . Okay , so we've got uh so we've got new projectrequirements . Um . So basically we've got three things , and we've got forty minutes in which to uh{disfmarker} for this meeting to uh to discuss the various options . Um . Three presentations .IndustrialDesigner: We have a {disfmarker} I guess we have a presentation each , 'cause I've got one . Um .UserInterface: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah ,Project Manager: I see , right .Marketing: I've got one too .ProjectManager: That's nice to know , one from each of you . Um new project requirements . Um so do we wantto do the presentation first , or do we want to um {disfmarker} W I I got um {gap} or or three thingsbasically , um relating to the remote being only for T_V_ . We discussed that last timeIndustrial Designer:Mm-hmm .Project Manager: and in actual fact that was pr pretty well what we came up with anyway.Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So in fact it actually f we won't be forestalled {vocalsound} in asense .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {gap}Project Manager:Um we've got uh teletext outdated . Um did you get any information on that ?Industrial Designer: Uh wedidn't , no .User Interface: No .Project Manager: Right and the corporate image was the uh final thing.Industrial Designer: I d I didn't personally .Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: So I I got that in emailform .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um . Right okay . So I guess if we go ahead with theuh with the three presentations . So we'll start with yourself on the basis that uh {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: Okay that's fine . I'll just um I'll grab the wire out the back of this one .Project Manager: Sorry, yep .Industrial Designer: {gap}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh . {vocalsound}UserInterface: What is it ?Industrial Designer: I'm not quite sure how it {disfmarker}User Interface: I thinkyou've got to do um control F_ eight .Industrial Designer: Control {gap} {disfmarker} Doesn't seem tobe quite working at the moment .User Interface: Shift F_ eight . {vocalsound} {gap}Industrial Designer:Alt function F_ eight . {vocalsound} Again not doing anything .Marketing: {vocalsound} There's usually alittle thing in the top right for the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Oh .User Interface: Ah there,Marketing: Oh hang on ,User Interface: it's doing something .Marketing: it's just coming on .IndustrialDesigner: {gap} pressed about five times now .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay , that's me {gap} . Okay , um I have to go {gap} again .ProjectManager: {gap} it going ?Industrial Designer: Hopefully that should be it this time . Okay , I think we'rethere . That's good . Okay , um {disfmarker} Okay I'm gonna be looking at the working design . Um{vocalsound} of the of the remote control . Um I've just got three sections , first is the research I madeon the on the remote control itself um . And then that involves the components required in it and thesystems uh design of the actual the actual remote . Um so having researched the existing models withinthe market , um I found my research off the internet . Um I've established what the components requiredfor the remote control to function , actually are . And then also the methods in which these componentsinteract together for the remote to actually do what you want it to do and how it connects with thetelevision . Um the basic components are an energy source which I guess um in most existing modelswould be a battery supply . Whether that'll be sort of two batteries , four batteries , um it may vary.Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: We then have the user interface , which is basically the likethe the buttons on the actual remote . Um the various functions used for changing channel , uh channelup and down , volume , things like that . Um there's also a chip inside the remote which does all thecomputer type things . And then the sender , which um is usually , I've found , an infra-red device whichsends a signal to the actual television . Um and the last part is receiver which is important in the systembut is not actually part of the remote itself , because that's obviously found in the television . {gap} . UmI'm gonna have to actually draw on the board because uh it was a little tricky on PowerPoint to get thisworking , so . I'll just go through there . S um um do we have a cloth to wipe this down with , or ? Oh I'lljProject Manager: Uh there's the rubber on the right , I think .User Interface: I think it's that little{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Oh I see . Oh okay . I'll get rid of the bear.$Project Manager: {gap} it'smagic . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay that's great . Okay , so we start


Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound} Je croix que c'est dommage de le {disfmarker} it will be sad todestroy this prototype . It really looks like a banana .User Interface: {vocalsound} It is a banana .ProjectManager: It is a banana . {vocalsound}User Interface: It is the essence of bananas . I would be confusedwith this thing .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} Mm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: SProject Manager: Okay .Marketing:Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}User Interface: How is everyone ?Project Manager: Hi .Industrial Designer: Hi.Project Manager: So we are here for the detailed design meeting .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} So {vocalsound}User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: we will uh{disfmarker} I will first present what we are going to do in this meeting . Then uh I've {disfmarker} I willalso take notes during this meeting and I will send you uh a summary then as usual . We will then look atthe evaluation criteria of the prototype presented by uh our two colleagues that make good work.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} And uh thenwe will see the financial aspects and the cost of the product . Then we will uh evaluate the product . Anduh end with the conclusion of this project and see whether it fits with {disfmarker} it fulf if it fulfil therequirement or not . SoIndustrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: d let's start with the cost aspectso so I look at the aspect discussed last time , that is to say uh to have a standard battery , {vocalsound}to have a yellow banana shaped uh case with uh a rubber material around itIndustrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: to be uh to feel spongy ,User Interface: Like a banana .Project Manager:{vocalsound} and uh also at the different aspect like having a wheel etcetera .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: And the cost ended to be ten point sevenEuros . So which is uh good , because we had a price gap of twelve point five Euros .Industrial Designer:Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So for the financial aspect it's okay , we can uh {disfmarker} we cancontinue with this product uh as if ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} and we arenow going to see the project evaluation with uh our marketing expert .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .Okay . So uh you can have my project in {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah . You have a presentation?Marketing: Uh yeah just a {disfmarker}Project Manager: Participant four , yes .Marketing: {vocalsound}Four . Evaluation .Project Manager: Okay . Okay .Marketing: Okay . So you can go . We can go through.Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: So I made an evaluation and the the evaluation criteria is madeaccording to {vocalsound} the users' requirements and the market trends we talked about uh during theprevious uh meetings . So you can go through and {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: okayso uh we have uh six points . We we talked about before .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: So we wewant to have a product fancy look and feel , technologically innovative , easy to use , fashion ,{vocalsound} easy to find in a room , and robust ,Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm.Marketing: uh and uh uh I have a scale of uh seven points .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Okay . SoI go through all the uh all the points here ,Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: and uh according to whatyou think about the this project you can uh mm make a one point , two point or seven point . Okay?Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: And after we ha we have an an average , and uh we see .ProjectManager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: The {disfmarker} okay ? {vocalsound} Uh souh fancy look and feel , what do you think ?Project Manager: Okay . Maybe you can presen{vocalsound}Marketing: F between o one and seven .Project Manager: okay . Maybe {disfmarker}{vocalsound} hold it .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} So I think it's uh very uhvery nice . What do you think ?User Interface: I give it a {disfmarker} I give it a five .Project Manager:Yeah . So it's between one and seven ? Seven is the highest uh ?Marketing: Yeah . {vocalsound} Sevenis the {disfmarker}Project Manager: I will give a six .Industrial Designer: I will give a a five .Marketing:{vocalsound} Mm-hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound} And you ?Marketing: {gap} sorry .User Interface:Do you vote uh Christine ?Marketing: {gap} eh ?User Interface: Do you also vote ?Marketing:{vocalsound} No , I just want to see something {disfmarker}Project Manager: Maybe we all have toagree on a common {disfmarker}User Interface: Well , we can {gap} very easily {vocalsound} .Project


Project Manager: Good morning , again .Industrial Designer: One question .User Interface: Yeah .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Send .User Interface: Choose a number ?{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Submit . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yep yep yep yep.Project Manager: All set ?Industrial Designer: Mm . Yeah .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Good .Okay . Let's see what we can find here . Okay . A very warm welcome again to everyone .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Um here we are already at our uh functional design meeting . Um and thisis what we are going to do . The opening , which we are doing now , um and the special note , I'm projectmanager but on the meetings I'm also the secretary , which means I will make uh minutes as I did of theprevious meeting .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: And uh I also put these as fast aspossible in the uh project folder , so you can see them and review what we have discussed . Um if I'mright , there are three presentations , I guess each one of you has prepared one ? Good .User Interface:Yes .Project Manager: And um we will also take a look at new project requirements , um if you haven'theard about them yet . And then of course we have to take a decision on the remote control functionsand we have some more time , forty minutes . But I think we will need it . Um well I don't know whowants to go first with his presentation .Industrial Designer: I'll go first . Okay . I'll go first yeah.Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: You can go first , okay .User Interface: Well .Marketing: Well , shall Igo first with the users ?User Interface: Well {vocalsound}Marketing: I think {disfmarker} well okay noproblem . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Is there an order ? I haven't {disfmarker}User Interface:everybody already has his presentation ,Marketing: Ja precies , ja precies , ja preciesUser Interface:{vocalsound} so you can adjust it . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So . Huh ? Okay , um{disfmarker}Project Manager: And one question , uh your name Denni , is it with aMarketing: E_I_E_.Project Manager: I_E_ {disfmarker} E_I_E_ , okay . Thank you .User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Okay , um I wanted to explain the working design of the remote control . It's possibly veryhandy if you want to uh design one of those . Um {vocalsound} well so it basically works uh as I uh uh rwrote down uh in this uh little uh summary . Uh when you press a button , {vocalsound} uh that's whenyou do pr for example when you uh want to turn up the volume , um a little connection is made uh thethe rubber uh {vocalsound} button just presses on aProject Manager: Sorry . {vocalsound}Marketing:{gap}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: on a little print plate uh which uh makes uh uh{vocalsound} a connection that uh gives the chips , uh which is uh mounted beneath those uh thatplastic of a rubber button . Uh senses that a connection has been made , and know and knows whatbutton you pressed , becau uh for example the the volume up or volume down button . Um uh the thechip uh makes a Morse code uh like uh signal which uh then is si uh signalled {vocalsound} to uh severaltransistors which makes uh which sends the signal to a little let . You know what a let is ?User Interface:Yeah .Industrial Designer: Okay . {vocalsound} And that makes uh the the infra-red lights signal which issent to the television set . Uh which has a sensor in it to uh sense uh the signal of the infra-red . That'sbasically uh how it works . Um the findings uh uh that I found uh searching up some uh detailedinformation about the remote controls , are that uh they are very easy to produce , uh it is pis uh it'spossible to uh make them in mass production because it is as eas it is as easy as uh printing a page , uhjust uh fibreglass plate um is b uh is uh covered with uh some uh coatings and uh uh {vocalsound} andchips .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh and the technology's already available , wedon't have to find out how remote controls uh have to work or uh how that how uh to make some chipsthat are possible to uh to to transmit those uh signals . Uh I made a little uh uh animation of{vocalsound} about how a tran our uh remote controller works .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{gap}User Interface: Oh right .Marketing: {vocalsound} Animation . {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} we telUser Interface: There is something turning.Industrial Designer: There .Project Manager: Yeah , it's a little bug it's in the in the smart board .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay . Uh wellUser Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: the sub-component , I suppose that you understand what a sub-component is , is f in this


Grad E: OK , we 're on .Professor B: OK .Grad E: So , I mean , everyone who 's on the wireless checkthat they 're on .PhD F: C we {disfmarker}Grad G: Alright .Postdoc C: I see . Yeah .PhD F: Yeah .Grad E:OK , our agenda was quite short .Professor B: Oh , could you {pause} close the door , maybe ? Yeah.Grad E: Sure . Two items , which was , uh , digits and possibly stuff on {disfmarker} on , uh , forcedalignment , which Jane said that Liz and Andreas had in information on ,Professor B: Grad E: but theydidn't ,PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor B: I guess the only other thing , uh , for which I {disfmarker}GradE: so .PhD F: We should do that second , because Liz might join us in time for that .Grad E: OK .ProfessorB: Um . OK , so there 's digits , alignments , and , um , I guess the other thing , {vocalsound} which Icame unprepared for , uh , {vocalsound} is , uh , to dis s s see if there 's anything anybody wants todiscuss about the Saturday meeting .Grad E: Right .Professor B: So . Any {disfmarker} I mean , maybenot .Grad E: Digits and alignments . But {disfmarker}Professor B: Uh .PhD F: Talk about aligning people's schedules .Professor B: Yeah .Grad E: Yeah .Postdoc C: Mm - hmm .Professor B: Yeah . I mean{disfmarker} Right . Yeah , I mean , it was {disfmarker}Grad E: Yeah , it 's forced alignment of people 'sschedules .PhD F: Yeah .PhD D: Forced align .PhD F: If we 're very {disfmarker}Professor B: Yeah .PhDF: Yeah .Professor B: With {disfmarker} with {disfmarker} whatever it was , a month and a half orsomething ahead of time , the only time we could find in common {disfmarker} roughly in common , wason a Saturday .PhD D: Yeah .Professor B: Ugh .Grad E: Yep .PhD F: It 's pretty sad .Professor B: Yeah.PhD F: Yeah .Postdoc C: Have {disfmarker} Have we thought about having a conference call to includehim in more of {disfmarker} {vocalsound} in more of the meeting ? I {disfmarker} I mean , I don't know, if we had the {disfmarker} if we had the telephone on the table {disfmarker}Professor B: No . But , h Imean , he probably has to go do something .PhD F: No , actually I {disfmarker} I have to {disfmarker} Ihave to shuttle {pause} kids from various places to various other places .Professor B: Right ?Postdoc C: Isee . OK .Professor B: Yeah .PhD F: So . And I don't have {disfmarker} and I don't , um , have a cellphonePhD D: A cell phone ?PhD F: so I can't be having a conference call while driving .Professor B: R rright .Postdoc C: No . {comment} It 's not good .Professor B: So we have to {disfmarker} we{disfmarker}Postdoc C: That 's not good .PhD F: Plus , it would make for interesting noise {disfmarker}background noise .Professor B: Grad E: Yep .PhD F: Uh {disfmarker}Professor B: So we have to equiphim with a {disfmarker} with a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} with a head - mounted , uh , cell phoneGradE: Ye - we and we 'd have to force you to read lots and lots of digits ,Professor B: and {disfmarker}GradE: so it could get real {disfmarker} {vocalsound} real car noise .PhD F: Oh , yeah .PhD D: Yeah .PhD F:Oh , yeah .Grad G: Take advantage .PhD D: And with the kids in the background .PhD F: I 'll let{disfmarker} I 'd let {disfmarker}PhD D: Yeah .PhD F: I let , uh , my five - year - old have a try at thedigits , eh .Professor B: Yeah .Grad E: So , anyway , I can talk about digits . Um , did everyone get theresults or shall I go over them again ? I mean that it was basically {disfmarker} the only thing that waseven slightly surprising was that the lapel did so well . Um , and in retrospect that 's not as surprising asmaybe i it shouldn't have been as surprising as I {disfmarker} as {disfmarker} as I felt it was . The lapelmike is a very high - quality microphone . And as Morgan pointed out , that there are actually someadvantages to it in terms of breath noises and clothes rustling {pause} if no one else is talking .PhD D:Yeah .PhD F: Exactly .Grad E: Um , so , uh {disfmarker}Grad G: Mm - hmm .Professor B: Well , it 's{disfmarker} Yeah , sort of the bre the breath noises and the mouth clicks and so forth like that , thelapel 's gonna be better on .Grad G: It 's g it {disfmarker}PhD D: Or the cross - talk . Yeah .Professor B:The lapel is typically worse on the {disfmarker} on clothes rustling , but if no one 's rustling their clothes,Grad E: Right . I mean , a lot of people are just sort of leaning over and reading the digits ,Professor B:it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker}Grad E: so it 's {disfmarker} it 's a very different task than sort of thenatural .PhD D: Yeah . You don't move much during reading digits , I think .Professor B: Yeah .Grad E:So .Professor B: Yeah .Grad E: Right .Grad G: Probably the fact that it picks up other people 's speakers{disfmarker} other people 's talking is an indication of that it {disfmarker} the fact it is a goodmicrophone .PhD D: Yeah .Professor B: Right . So in the digits , in most {disfmarker} most cases , there


Grad C: Now can you give me the uh {pause} remote T ?Professor D: OK , so Eva , co uh {disfmarker}could you read your numbers ?Grad A: Go ahead and read . OK .Professor D: Yeah .Grad C: Alright.Professor D: Yeah , let 's get started . Um {disfmarker} Hopefully Nancy will come , if not , she won't.Grad B: Uh , Robert , do you uh have any way to turn off your uh screensaver on there so that it 's notgoing off every {disfmarker} uh , it seems to have about at two minute {disfmarker}Grad C: Yeah , I 've{disfmarker} I {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} it 's not that I didn't try .Grad B: OK .Grad C: and um I{disfmarker} I told it to stay on forever and ever , but if it 's not plugged in it just doesn't obey mycommands .Grad B: OK .Grad C: It has a mind .Grad B: Got it .Grad C: But I I just {disfmarker} Youknow , sort of keep on wiggling .Undergrad E: Wants to conserve .Grad B: Yeah , OK .Grad C: But uh{disfmarker} we 'll just be m m working on it at intensity so it doesn't happen . We 'll see . Should weplunge right into it ?Professor D: Yeah .Grad C: So , would you like to {disfmarker}Professor D: I think so.Grad C: So what I 've tried to do here is list all the decision nodes that we have identified on this{pause} side . Commented and {disfmarker} what they 're about and sort of {disfmarker} the propertieswe may um give them . And here are the uh {disfmarker} tasks to be implemented via our datacollection . So all of these tasks {disfmarker} The reading is out of these tasks more or less imply thatthe user wants to go there , sometime or the other . And analogously for example , here we have our EVAum {disfmarker} intention . And these are the data tasks where w we can assume the person would liketo enter , view or just approach the thing . Analogously the same on the object information we can seethat , you know , we have sort of created these tasks before we came up with our decision nodes so there's a lot of things where we have no analogous tasks , and {pause} that may or may not be a problem .We can change the tasks slightly if we feel that we should have data for e sort of for every decision nodeso {disfmarker} trying to im um {disfmarker} implant the intention of going to a place now , going to aplace later on the same tour , or trying to plant the intention of going sometime on the next tour , or thenext day or whenever .Professor D: Right , right .Grad C: But I think that might be overdoing it a little.Professor D: So {disfmarker} Yeah . So let me pop up a level . And uh s s make sure that we 're alloriented the same . So What we 're gonna do today is two related things . Uh one of them is to work onthe semantics of the belief - net which is going to be the main inference engine for thi the system uhmaking decisions . And decisions are going to turn out to be parameter choices for calls on other modules. so f the natural language understanding thing is uh , we think gonna only have to choose parameters ,but You know , a fairly large set of parameters . So to do that , we need to do two things . One of whichis figure out what all the choices are , which we 've done a fair amount . Then we need to figure out whatinfluences its choices and finally we have to do some technical work on the actual belief relations andpresumably estimates of the probabilities and stuff . But we aren't gonna do the probability stuff today .Technical stuff we 'll do {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} another day . Probably next week . But we aregonna worry about all the decisions and the things that pert that contribute to them . And we 're also ,sort of uh in the same process , going to work with Fey on what there should be in the dialogues . So Oneof the s steps that 's coming up real soon is to actually get subjects uh {disfmarker} in here , and havethem actually record like this . Uh record dialogues more or less . And {disfmarker} depending on whatFey sort of provokes them to say , we 'll get information on different things .Grad C: Well how peoplephrase different intentions more or less ,Professor D: So {disfmarker} Fo - v yeah people with the{disfmarker} phrase themGrad C: huh ?Professor D: and so {disfmarker} Uh for , you know , Keith andpeople worrying about what constructions people use , uh {disfmarker} we have some i we have someways to affect that by the way the dialogues go . So what Robert kindly did , is to lay out a table of thekinds of uh {pause} things that {disfmarker} that might come up , and , the kinds of decisions . So theuh {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} on the left are decision nodes , and discreet values . So if {disfmarker}if we 're right , you can get by with um just this middle column worth of decisions , and it 's not all thatmany , and it 's perfectly feasible technically to build belief - nets that will do that . And he has a handout.Grad C: Yeah . Maybe it was too fast plunging in there , because j we have two updates .Professor D:


Project Manager: Okay , so now we are on the conceptual design meeting . {vocalsound} Uh y gettingclose to the lastMarketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: is the penultim meeting . {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: How was lunch ? {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} Mm great . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Thanks {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: Don't be sarcastic . {vocalsound} Mark .{vocalsound}Project Manager: So {vocalsound} um I will again do the secretary part uh we will havethree presentation first um uh the industrial design , first Rama then Mark and then Sammy .Marketing:Uh Rama .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Ramaro .Project Manager: Um um we have to take adecision on the control {disfmarker} remote control concepts and we have forty minutes .User Interface:Mm .Project Manager: So what we want to {disfmarker} the decision we want to take on this meeting areon the um first on the component concept , so what kind of energy we use uh what kind of chip on printand one ki kind of case . And also on user interface concept uh what kind of interface we use and if thereis some supplements . And at the end um Sammy will give um {vocalsound} a trend watching on whathe's {disfmarker} he's been doing . It's {disfmarker} So , let's go . First with Rama . Participant two.Industrial Designer: Yeah , participant two . Component .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yep . So we're to mainly design f mainly need to know whichcomponents we'll use for energy , and the material and interface . For energy there are maybe two orthree possibilities . First one , we can use simple battery , or we can use {vocalsound} traditional solarcells or {disfmarker} mm and the material we can have plastic , rubber which is good for thisR_S_A_Marketing: Ah .Industrial Designer: and then uh titanium , which can be {disfmarker} which havevery good look an and then interface we're to use push buttons or liquid crystal d L_C_D_ display . Andwe can use some {gap} , moving {gap} kind of thing . So , as we discussed before , we need to{disfmarker} we would like to have some speech recognition s chip in our remote control . So this can besimple kind of programmable chip and {disfmarker} which can use microphone {gap} sensors . And wealso want to look at our remote control , so . Still we are looking for possible uh technical uhspecifications and how w easy we can do and within our pri range , like we're to {disfmarker} in ourtwelve Euros or around that . So we are looking for simple devices or simple technology to do the locationof remote control in a room or in a house .Project Manager: Mm-hmm , okay .Industrial Designer: So uhwe discussed an {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Excuse me . So we would like to propose battery instead ofsolar cells and it would be problematic uh to have enough energy with the solar cellsMarketing: Mm-hmm.Industrial Designer: and so we would like to just use simple battery . And also we want to go for titaniumdesign instead of rubber or {disfmarker} and well the problem is with this design we found that we can'tuse double-curved shapes .Marketing: What is a double-curved shape ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Like you can have two curves .Marketing: Uh-huh .User Interface: Why ?Industrial Designer: Uh it's{disfmarker} I think in manufacturing I guess it's problematic . So , we want to go for simple pushbuttons because it need a simple chip and it's really lesser {disfmarker} uh re really less expensivecompared to L_C_D_Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: which are uh which needs advancedchip technology and it's more expensive ,User Interface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: since we want toput some other features such as speech recognitionMarketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: we wantto reduce uh cost .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um I want to know why it b uh just uh sorry but forthe point before uh why not the rubber , if it is something that it seems to be light .Marketing: The cost.Industrial Designer: Uh {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker} And also like in {disfmarker} if you put a {gap}it's be difficult to do all the moulding of buttons and these thingsProject Manager: Okay . You m titaniumit's more uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: and {disfmarker} Yeah .User Interface: W we can usesomething like you know {vocalsound} the whole body's titanium but there are some rubber or I dunnosome rubber parts likeIndustrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Mm like this ?Project Manager: Yes so mm{disfmarker}User Interface: to make it feel better and to you know {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Likein cell phones recentlyProject Manager: Uh-huh .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah .Industrial


Grad A: Hey , you 're not supposed to be drinking in here dude .Grad D: OK .Grad A: Do we have to readthem that slowly ? OK . Sounded like a robot . Um , this is tGrad C: OK .Grad A: When you read thenumbers it kind of reminded me of beat poetry .Grad D: I tried to go for the EE Cummings sort of feeling, but {disfmarker}Grad A: Three three six zero zero . Four two zero zero one seven . That 's what I thinkof when I think of beat poetry .Grad C: Beat poetry .Grad A: You ever seen " So I married an axemurderer " ?Grad C: Uh parts of it .Grad D: Mm - hmm .Grad A: There 's a part wh there 's parts when he's doing beat poetry .Grad C: Oh yeah ?Grad A: And he talks like that . That 's why I thi That uh probablyis why I think of it that way .Grad D: Hmm . No , I didn't see that movie . Who did {disfmarker} whomade that ?Grad A: Mike Meyers is the guy .Grad D: Oh . OK .Grad A: It - it 's his uh {disfmarker} it 'shis cute romantic comedy . That 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} That 's his cute romantic comedy ,yeah . The other thing that 's real funny , I 'll spoil it for you . is when he 's {disfmarker} he works in acoffee shop , in San Francisco , and uh he 's sitting there on this couch and they bring him this massivecup of espresso , and he 's like " excuse me I ordered the large espresso ? "Grad D: Uh . We 're having ,{vocalsound} a tiramisu tasting contest this weekend .Grad A: Wait {disfmarker} do are y So you 'retrying to decide who 's the best taster of tiramisu ?Grad D: No ? Um . There was a {disfmarker} a{disfmarker} a fierce argument that broke out over whose tiramisu might be the best and so we decidedto have a contest where those people who claim to make good tiramisu make them ,Grad A: Ah .Grad D:and then we got a panel of impartial judges that will taste {disfmarker} do a blind taste {vocalsound}and then vote .Grad A: Hmm .Grad D: Should be fun .Grad A: Seems like {disfmarker} Seems like youcould put a s magic special ingredient in , so that everyone know which one was yours . Then , if youwere to bribe them , you could uh {disfmarker}Grad D: Mm - hmm . Well , I was thinking if um{disfmarker} y you guys have plans for Sunday ? We 're {disfmarker} we 're not {disfmarker} it 'sprobably going to be this Sunday , but um we 're sort of working with the weather here because we alsowant to combine it with some barbecue activity where we just fire it up and what {disfmarker} whoeverbrings whatever you know , can throw it on there . So only the tiramisu is free , nothing else .Grad A:Well , I 'm going back to visit my parents this weekend , so , I 'll be out of town .Grad D: So you 're goingto the west Bay then ? No ,Grad A: No , the South Bay ,Grad D: south Bay ?Grad A: yeah .Grad D: SouthBay .Grad C: Well , I should be free , so .Grad D: OK , I 'll let you know .Grad C: OK .Grad A: We are . IsNancy s uh gonna show up ? Mmm . Wonder if these things ever emit a very , like , piercing screech rightin your ear ?Grad D: They are gonna get more comfortable headsets . They already ordered them . OK.Grad C: Uh {disfmarker}Grad D: Let 's get started . The uh {disfmarker} Should I go first , with the uh ,um , data . Can I have the remote {vocalsound} control . Thank you . OK . So . On Friday we had ourwizard test data test and um {vocalsound} these are some of the results . This was the introduction . Iactually uh , even though Liz was uh kind enough to offer to be the first subject , I sort of felt that sheknew too much , so I asked uh Litonya . just on the spur of the moment , and she was uh kind enough touh serve as the first subject .Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad D: So , this is what she saw as part of{disfmarker} as uh for instr introduction , this is what she had to read {pause} aloud . Uh , that wasreally difficult for her and uh {disfmarker}Grad C: Because of l all the names , you mean ?Grad D: Thenames and um this was the uh first three tasks she had to {disfmarker} to master after she called thesystem , and um then of course the system broke down , and those were the l uh uh I should say thesystem was supposed to break down and then um these were the remaining three tasks that she wasgoing to solve , with a human {disfmarker} Um . There are {disfmarker} here are uh the results . Mmm .And I will not {disfmarker} We will skip the reading now . D Um . And um . The reading was five minutes, exactly . And now comes the {disfmarker} This is the phone - in phase of {disfmarker}Grad C: Wait ,can I {disfmarker} I have a question . So . So there 's no system , right ? Like , there was a wizard forboth uh {disfmarker} both parts , is this right ?Grad D: Yeah . It was bo it both times the same person.Grad C: OK .Grad D: One time , pretending to be a system , one time , to {disfmarker} pretending to bea human , which is actually not pretending .Grad C: OK . And she didn't {disfmarker}Grad D: I should


PhD F: And we 're on .Professor D: OK . Might wanna {vocalsound} close the door so that {disfmarker}Uh , Stephane will {disfmarker}PhD F: I 'll get it .Professor D: YeahPhD F: Hey Dave ? Could you goahead and turn on , uh , Stephane 's {disfmarker}Grad C: Mm - hmm .Professor D: So that 's the virtualStephane over there .PhD F: OK .Professor G: Do you use a PC for recording ? Or {disfmarker}PhD F: Uh, yeah , a Linux box . Yeah . It 's got , uh , like sixteen channels going into it .Professor G: Uh - huh . Uh -huh . The quality is quite good ? Or {disfmarker} ?PhD F: Mm - hmm . Yeah , so far , it 's been prettygood .Professor G: Mm - hmm .Professor D: Yeah . So , uh , yeah {disfmarker} the suggestion was tohave these guys start to {disfmarker}PhD F: OK . Why don't you go ahead , Dave ?Grad C: OK . Um , so, yeah , the {disfmarker} this past week I 've been main mainly occupied with , um , getting some results, u from the SRI system trained on this short Hub - five training set for the mean subtraction method .And , um , I ran some tests last night . But , um , c the results are suspicious . Um , it 's , um ,{vocalsound} cuz they 're {disfmarker} the baseline results are worse than , um , Andreas {disfmarker}than results Andreas got previously . And {vocalsound} it could have something to do with , um{disfmarker}PhD F: That 's on digits ?Grad C: That 's on digits . It c it {disfmarker} it could h it couldhave something to do with , um , downsampling .PhD F: Hmm .Grad C: That 's {disfmarker} that 's worthlooking into . Um , d and , um , ap ap apart from that , I guess the {disfmarker} the main thing I have tta I have to talk is , um , where I 'm planning to go over the next week . Um . So I 've been working onintegrating this mean subtraction approach into the SmartKom system . And there 's this question of ,well , so , um , in my tests before with HTK I found it worked {disfmarker} it worked the best with abouttwelve seconds of data used to estimate the mean , but , we 'll often have less {comment} in theSmartKom system . Um . So I think we 'll use as much data as we have {pause} at a particular time ,and we 'll {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we 'll concatenate utterances together , um , to get as much dataas we possibly can from the user . But , {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} there 's a question of how toset up the models . So um , we could train the models . If we think twelve seconds is ideal we could trainthe models using twelve seconds to calculate the mean , to mean subtract the training data . Or we could, um , use some other amount . So {disfmarker} like I did an experiment where I , um , was using sixseconds in test , um , but , for {disfmarker} I tried twelve seconds in train . And I tried , um , um , thesame in train {disfmarker} I 'm a I tried six seconds in train . And six seconds in train {vocalsound} wasabout point three percent better . Um , and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} um , it 's not clear to me yetwhether that 's {vocalsound} something significant . So I wanna do some tests and , um , {vocalsound}actually make some plots of , um {disfmarker} for a particular amount of data and test what happens ifyou vary the amount of data in train .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor D: Uh , Guenter , I don't know if you t{vocalsound} followed this stuff but this is , uh , {vocalsound} a uh , uh , long - term {disfmarker} long- term window F F Yeah . Yeah , he {disfmarker} you talked about it .Professor G: Yeah , we{disfmarker} we spoke about it already ,Professor D: Oh , OK . So you know what he 's doing .ProfessorG: yeah .Professor D: Alright .Grad C: y s so I was {disfmarker} I actually ran the experiments mostlyand I {disfmarker} I was {disfmarker} I was hoping to have the plots with me today . I just didn't get toit . But , um {disfmarker} yeah , I wou I would be curious about people 's feedback on this cuz I 'm{disfmarker} {vocalsound} @ @ {comment} I p I think there are some I think it 's {disfmarker} it 'skind of like a {disfmarker} a bit of a tricky engineering problem . I 'm trying to figure out what 's theoptimal way to set this up . So , um , {vocalsound} I 'll try to make the plots and then put somepostscript up on my {disfmarker} on my web page . And I 'll mention it in my status report if peoplewanna take a look .Professor D: You could clarify something for me . You 're saying point three percent ,you take a point three percent hit , {vocalsound} when the training and testing links are {disfmarker}don't match or something ?PhD E: Hello .Professor D: Is that what it is ?Grad C: w Well , it cProfessor D:Or {disfmarker} ?Grad C: I {disfmarker} I don't think it {disfmarker} it 's {vocalsound} just for anymismatch {vocalsound} you take a hit .Professor D: Yeah .Grad C: i In some cases it might be u better tohave a mismatch . Like I think I saw something like {disfmarker} like if you only have two seconds in test


The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota (NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)): I call the meeting to order.  Welcome to thethird meeting of the House of Commons Special Committee on the COVID-19 Pandemic. Pursuant to theorder of reference of Monday, April20, the committee is meeting for the purposes of consideringministerial announcements, allowing members to present petitions, and questioning ministers of thecrown, including the Prime Minister, in respect of the COVID-19 pandemic. I understand there's anagreement to observe a moment of silence in memory of the six members of the Canadian Armed Forceswho lost their lives last Wednesday in a helicopter crash off the coast of Greece.  We'll return to order.Colleagues, we meet today to continue our discussion about how our country is dealing with theCOVID-19 pandemic. As we do, Canadians, like everyone around the world, are doing their best to livetheir lives until things improve. Meanwhile, as we look towards the future, I believe that it is alsoimportant to remember our past and to continue to mark the important moments in our shared history.At this very moment, the Dominion Carillonneur, Dr. Andrea McCrady, is performing a special recital tocommemorate the 75th anniversary of the liberation of the Netherlands by the Canadian Forces. In May1945, Canadian Forces played a major role in liberating the Dutch people from Nazi occupation. May 5 isnow a national holiday in the Netherlands that commemorates the event and the great friendship thatnow exists between our two countries. Today's meeting is taking place by video conference. Theproceedings will be made available via the House of Commons website. Please be aware that the webcastwill always show the person speaking rather than the entire committee. Let me remind you that, as in theHouse or in committee, members may not take photographs of their colleagues or film the proceedings.In order to facilitate the work of our interpreters and ensure orderly meetings, I will outline a few rules.Interpretation of this video conference will be done as it is at normal committee meetings and in theHouse. At the bottom of your screen, you can choose floor, English or French. As you have seen, I changeas I am speaking. I have now switched over to English in order to speak English. If you look at thebottom, you have a little flag that indicates whether it's English or French, and that's how we will bespeaking. It makes it easier. That was where we had a little bit of a glitch in the last session. Iunderstand that there are no statements by ministers. We can now proceed to presenting petitions for aperiod not exceeding 15 minutes.  I would like to remind members that petitions presented during ameeting of the special committee must already have been certified by the clerk of petitions.  In addition,to ensure that the petition is considered to have been properly presented, the certificate of the petitionand each page of the petition for petitions certified in a previous Parliament should be emailed to thecommittee no later than 6 p.m. on the day before the committee. I thank all the members for their usualco-operation. Thank you all. Now we'll proceed to presenting petitions. Our first petition comes from thehonourable member for Sherwood ParkFort Saskatchewan, Mr. Genuis.Mr. Garnett Genuis (SherwoodParkFort Saskatchewan, CPC): Mr. Chair, I'm pleased to be presenting two petitions today. The firstpetition is with respect to government Bill C-7. Petitioners raised concerns that this bill removessafeguards from the current euthanasia regime. It includes removing the mandatory 10-day reflectionperiod and the number of required witnesses who will witness a person's consent. The petitioners urgethe House of Commons to immediately discontinue the removal of safeguards for people requestingeuthanasia, and to put in place additional measures to protect vulnerable people. This would require thatbill to be amended or not passed. The second petition is with respect to Senate public bill S-204. This ison organ harvesting and trafficking. Petitioners call on members of the House, and hopefully the Senateas well, to support Bill S-204, which would make it a criminal offence for a person to go abroad andreceive an organ for which there has not been consent. It would also create provisions under which aperson could be made inadmissible to Canada if they had been involved in organ harvesting or trafficking.Thank you very much.The Chair: Thank you. I want to remind all the members that there are specificheadsets that have been mandated to all of us. If you don't have one, please talk to your IT ambassadorand they will get one to you as quickly as possible. The reason for them is not so much for what you hear,but that our interpreters are working and there are work conditions that really make it difficult. Part of


Project Manager: Alright , that did nothing . Okay . Welcome to the meeting everyone . Just gonnaattempt to make this into a slide show . Sorry guys .Marketing: You may have to do the function F_ eightthing .Project Manager: I did . Twice .Marketing: Oh , okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: This'll justtake a moment . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay okay{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Or it won't .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Okay we'll have to deal with it like this then .Industrial Designer: Okay . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Alright . Um . This is the first meeting uh for developing our , our new product . {gap} I'mHeather , I'm your Project Manager .Industrial Designer: Hello . {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . So um . So that was the opening .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: The first thing we'll do is get acquainted with one another . If everyone could go around andexplain their role and um , and their name .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay . Myname's Poppy . I'm the Industrial Designer for this project . Um , I'm going to be responsible for thefunctional design phase . Also the conceptual design and the detailed design for the final product .ProjectManager: Nice to meet you Poppy .Industrial Designer: Okay . {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound} My name's Tara and I'm the User Interface Designer .Marketing: {vocalsound}UserInterface: I will also be responsible for the functional design phase , the conceptual design phase and thedetailed design phase of the user interface design . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Alright .Marketing: Hi ,I'm Genevieve . I'm the Marketing Expert . I'm an expert at marketing .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Um , I'll be telling you guys about the userrequirement specifications for our new product . Um , I'll be doing some trend-watching in the conceptualdesign , and product evaluation for the design phase .Project Manager: Alright I'm Heather and I've I saidI'm your Project Manager , um Well you can pretty much read what it is that I'm doing . But um um{disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah . And uh tooltraining is one thing that we're going to be doing today , um um as well as planning the project , howwe're going to , uh , create this product , and , um , discuss , um , our aims and objects of this , Whichbrings us to our next subject ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: is , um , um,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: as a team we're going to be designing and creating a newkind of remote control . Um , we want this to be a marketable product that can be trendy , um , acompletely new style , so that , um , can really appeal to a , to a generation that doesn't want a simpleplain kind of , uh , channel-changer . And , um , it needs to be user-friendly for , um , maybe , for anexample , for people that , um , can't see the numbers as well , or , um , perhaps an ergonomic design.Industrial Designer: Okay . So this is a television remote control ?Project Manager: Yes , it's a televisionremote control .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Right . I believe I should be taking minuteson this right now . So , alright .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: Um , yeah . Um , the waythat we're going to go about this is , um , we'll have a time where we can , um come up with new ideasalone , and , and work on the project and then , um , after we've brainstormed and , and thought about ,we can come together in a meeting and , and discuss what , what um , what kind of functional design wewant to use . Same with conceptual design and detailed design . So , um , making sure that it , it's usable, that as a , um {disfmarker} and that it's , it's feasible to create , and uh , to come up with a concept ofit want , what we want it to look like . Um , tool training . Is , is everyone , um {disfmarker} {gap} Okay.Industrial Designer: Yeah . Got those notes .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Great . Great.Marketing: Thank you .Project Manager: Um One thing that , uh , we're going to do is become moreacquainted with the , the tools that we have access to for our project . Um , one of them is ourwhiteboard . And , um , as a sort of team-building moment , um , I , I'd like us to , um , try out thewhiteboard by expressing our favourite animal and the charac characteristics of that animal .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um , whythat , why that should be your favourite animal . So , um , I , I'm assuming that we should do that now.Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay .User Interface:


Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} minutes from the last meeting which were essentiallythat we uh had decided on roles for each of you , however , um there are some changes that I've gotfrom on highUser Interface: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: that um are a bit uh {disfmarker} wellw what I didn't actually realise it was that the uh {vocalsound} this is for a specific television .UserInterface: Okay .Project Manager: So the all in one idea goes out the window . And {vocalsound} theyrequire that the uhUser Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: actually I'll get to that at the end {gap}point number four , um we'll get what you've got and then we can see what we can adapt from it . So um, presentations , were you {disfmarker} anybody got , raring to go ?Marketing: Yeah . Yeah .ProjectManager: Raring to go ? Okay . Good stuff . Mm .Marketing: Um . So how {disfmarker}Project Manager:Oh I need to plug you in . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: S {gap}ProjectManager: Just about .User Interface: Wow . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: It's a inspired design.Marketing: {gap}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Sh do you want me to hold it ?ProjectManager: Uh there we go , just screw 'em on in . Gonna have to swap them round so {disfmarker}{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} So , after that ?Project Manager: now , it was function F_ eight.Marketing: F_ eight . {vocalsound} f oh sorry F_ eight .Project Manager: That's the wee blue one . Blueone F_ eight .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Should do it , good one .Marketing: Yeah . Yeah . Uh ,me again , Rajan the Marketing Expert . Uh , as we have decided in the last meeting that I have to findout , sorry , yeah sure .Project Manager: Hold on , sorry . {gap} and if you just click that it'll go ahead ,one at a time .Marketing: Yeah , yeah . Uh actually , sorry I have to see the other {gap} , sorry .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Sorry , uh .Marketing: Yeah , thank you .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: Uh , yes , I have to look at the uh market potential for this product , uh , likeconsumer likings and everything , what is the potential for this product and are we able to achieve our anet profit or our aims or not ? Then {disfmarker}Project Manager: P press F_ five to start it first.Marketing: Sorry . Okay . Yeah , I can , okay .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Jesus .Marketing: Uh then uh the methodology I adopted to find out all this was market survey . A adetailed market survey on consumers was done to find out their likings and dislikings , what they preferwhat they not prefer , w what problems they do encounter in all this type of things . And what we got was, we found that {disfmarker} if you {disfmarker} uh , what they th what problems they are having withdifferent uh remote controls available in the market . Seventy five percent of users they do find it that theremote controls available in the market are ugly . They are not so good looking . So , we have to putstress on this , uh we have to take care of this fact also like our design , uh should be appropriate ,should be good looking for the consumers . And yes that's wi uh this will definitely , this can definitely putuh uh enhance our sales . Uh and even uh the good thing about this is that eighty percent of users theyare willing to pay high uh pay more for this uh good looking remote controls also . So even if theavailable market goes for the available {disfmarker} uh even if the market goes for the available remotecontrol is less even then we can sell it at twenty five Euros , which maybe which may seem quite high butif our looks are are if the re remote control we design have a good better uh better look uh designs , thenwe can hope that consumers will prefer these g remote controls .Project Manager: Excellent .Marketing:Then {disfmarker} {gap} And the second thing , some some companies they think that they should havemore and more functions of the users uh or in their remote controls , but rather than those having morefunctions in the remote controls we should emphasise what actually consumer want , what they operate ,rather than making it too complicated . Because mostly it has been found that fifty percent of the usersthey use only ten percent of the buttons , so there is no point of having ninety percent buttons makingthe remote controls too bulky , too complicated too expensive a because I think I believe that technologyis useful only if uh the consumers they want to use it . Otherwise there is no point of having all this typeof things . So this will not only reduce the cost of our remote controls but it will increase our profit also .So we have to take care of this fact also . Then . Uh it was function I want to go to .Project Manager: Ohyou wanna go back ? Just escape .Marketing: Uh , escape , okay thank you . Then if we look at this slide


Grad C: Yeah , we had a long discussion about how much w how easy we want to make it for people tobleep things out . So {disfmarker} Morgan wants to make it hard .PhD D: It {disfmarker} it doesn't{disfmarker}Grad C: Did {disfmarker} did {disfmarker} did it {disfmarker} ? I didn't even checkyesterday whether it was moving .PhD D: It didn't move yesterday either when I started it .Grad C: So.PhD D: So I don't know if it doesn't like both of us {disfmarker}Grad C: Channel three ? Channel three?PhD D: You know , I discovered something yesterday on these , um , wireless ones .Grad B: Channeltwo .Grad C: Mm - hmm ?PhD D: You can tell if it 's picking up {pause} breath noise and stuff .Grad C:Yeah , it has a little indicator on it {disfmarker} on the AF .PhD D: Mm - hmm . So if you {disfmarker}yeah , if you breathe under {disfmarker} breathe and then you see AF go off , then you know {pause} it's p picking up your mouth noise .PhD F: Oh , that 's good . Cuz we have a lot of breath noises .Grad C:Yep . Test .PhD F: In fact , if you listen to just the channels of people not talking , it 's like " @ @ " . It 'svery disgustGrad C: What ? Did you see Hannibal recently or something ?PhD F: Sorry . Exactly . It 'svery disconcerting . OK . So , um ,Grad C: PhD F: I was gonna try to get out of here , like , in half anhour , um , cuz I really appreciate people coming , and {vocalsound} the main thing that I was gonnaask people to help with today is {pause} to give input on what kinds of database format we should{pause} use in starting to link up things like word transcripts and annotations of word transcripts , soanything that transcribers or discourse coders or whatever put in the signal , {vocalsound} with time -marks for , like , words and phone boundaries and all the stuff we get out of the forced alignments andthe recognizer . So , we have this , um {disfmarker} I think a starting point is clearly the {disfmarker}the channelized {pause} output of Dave Gelbart 's program , which Don brought a copy of ,Grad C: Yeah. Yeah , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm familiar with that . I mean , we {disfmarker} I sort of already havedeveloped an XML format for this sort of stuff .PhD F: um , which {disfmarker}PhD D: Can I see it ?GradC: And so the only question {disfmarker} is it the sort of thing that you want to use or not ? Have youlooked at that ? I mean , I had a web page up .PhD F: Right . So ,Grad C: So {disfmarker}PhD F: Iactually mostly need to be able to link up , or {disfmarker} I it 's {disfmarker} it 's a question both ofwhat the representation is and {disfmarker}Grad C: You mean , this {disfmarker} I guess I am gonna bestanding up and drawing on the board .PhD F: OK , yeah . So you should , definitely .Grad C: Um , so{disfmarker} so it definitely had that as a concept . So tha it has a single time - line ,PhD F: Mm - hmm.Grad C: and then you can have lots of different sections , each of which have I Ds attached to it , andthen you can refer from other sections to those I Ds , if you want to . So that , um {disfmarker} so thatyou start with {disfmarker} with a time - line tag . " Time - line " . And then you have a bunch of times .I don't e I don't remember exactly what my notation was ,PhD A: Oh , I remember seeing an example ofthis .Grad C: but it {disfmarker}PhD F: Right , right .PhD A: Yeah .Grad C: Yeah , " T equals one pointthree two " , uh {disfmarker} And then I {disfmarker} I also had optional things like accuracy , and then" ID equals T one , uh , one seven " . And then , {nonvocalsound} I also wanted to {disfmarker} to be ito be able to not specify specifically what the time was and just have a stamp .PhD F: Right .Grad C:Yeah , so these are arbitrary , assigned by a program , not {disfmarker} not by a user . So you have awhole bunch of those . And then somewhere la further down you might have something like an utterancetag which has " start equals T - seventeen , end equals T - eighteen " . So what that 's saying is , weknow it starts at this particular time . We don't know when it ends .PhD F: OK .Grad C: Right ? But it endsat this T - eighteen , which may be somewhere else . We say there 's another utterance . We don't knowwhat the t time actually is but we know that it 's the same time as this end time .PhD A: Mmm .Grad C:You know , thirty - eight , whatever you want .PhD A: So you 're essentially defining a lattice .Grad C: OK. Yes , exactly .PhD A: Yeah .Grad C: And then , uh {disfmarker} and then these also have I Ds . Right ?So you could {disfmarker} you could have some sort of other {disfmarker} other tag later in the file thatwould be something like , um , oh , I don't know , {comment} uh , {nonvocalsound} " noise - typeequals {nonvocalsound} door - slam " . You know ? And then , uh , {nonvocalsound} you could eithersay " time equals a particular time - mark " or you could do other sorts of references . So {disfmarker} or


Project Manager: Excellent . So um I sent you the agenda , it was on the {disfmarker} in the projectdocuments . I don't know if you got a chance to just have a look at it . Anyway , it's {disfmarker} themeeting's gonna follow more or less the same structure as last time , so we'll go round each of you inturn and you can give your presentations on what you've been up to . Um and at the end of that we needto discuss what you've come up with , so that we can make a decision on the key remote control concepts, so that's {disfmarker} we need to know about the components' properties , materials , the userinterface and any trends that the Marketing Expert has been watching .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Right .Project Manager: Okay . Um , do you wanna start again ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay.Project Manager: Let me {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Right s {vocalsound}Project Manager: we'vegot forty minutes .Industrial Designer: so I haven't made a PowerPoint presentation ,Project Manager:{vocalsound} You haven't made a PowerPoint , okay .Industrial Designer: yeah , I I thought I'll use thewhiteboard instead .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Um mm , {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Let's hope the pen holds out . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: okay, so basically I'll start off by {disfmarker} uh {vocalsound} I thought I'll use the whiteboard because wehave so many different options and what we can do is that we can start um uh rubbing off the optionsthat we do not require and putting in the options that uh are m or highlighting or underlining them orsomething like that .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Okay , so uh I'll start again with abrief introduction to {disfmarker} connect that anyway {disfmarker} brief introduction to the insides of aremote controlProject Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: and uh then we can probably uh discuss thevarious components . Yeah . Okay , so w what you see here is {disfmarker} so {vocalsound} this is theoutside of the remote , right ? If you open it , you have a circuit board here , right ,Project Manager:Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: and this is the chip that I was talking about last time . This basically sendsinformation to a tr uh transistor here , which then uh sends the information to an L_E_D_ device here . Ifyou flip the printed circuit board , and this is th the most important point here ,Project Manager:Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: uh {vocalsound} everything else is kind of {disfmarker} Okay , so if youflip the circuit board , this is what it looks like . So you see for example a particular button attaches to aparticular place on the P_C_B_ and uhProject Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: on pressing this buttonI {disfmarker} a circuit completes , the information goes to the chip , which is somewhere here and thechip that tra then translates the code into an infra infrared radiation , which goes goes out through there. {vocalsound} So uh the important point that I read over the website was uh that the configurations ofthese printed circuit circuit boards uh are quite cheap to make , you can ge get them printed as you wantto ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: so w we can have a configuration um irrespective ofthe cost , the way we want to have . Right ? So that's the important point here ,Project Manager:Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: so these are the different options that we have . Okay . So the batteries ,I'll start with the battery , right ?Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: So they can be simplewhich is like uh the normal batteries in uh our {disfmarker} uh the cells , yeah ?Project Manager: Yeah.Industrial Designer: Uh thes these are the kind {disfmarker} different kind of batteries that the companymakes , right ? So . And dynamos . Um {vocalsound}Marketing: Does that mean like a wind-up one?Industrial Designer: yeah , yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} A wind-up remote .Industrial Designer: Souh I don't know if {disfmarker} even if you want to consider this ,User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: but these are the different things that the company makes , so th they'll they'll{disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: since uh they'll come internally from thecompany , they'll be eas uh cheaper , uh all these options .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .IndustrialDesigner: So {vocalsound} the third one is uh the kinetic energy ones .Marketing: You could make thehand dynamo into an exercise bike , and then people could exercise whilst watching T_V_ .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .Project Manager: And charging their remote ,Marketing: Yeah , and stop worrying aboutthe whole R_S_I_ from the remote thing , 'cause that's just {disfmarker}Project Manager: yeah .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yeah , it's a good option .Project


User Interface: .. .Project Manager: Okay . So , this is uh first meeting of this design project . Um and Ium like to show you the agenda for the meeting , I don't know if it was sent round to all of you .UserInterface: Mm , yeah .Project Manager: Maybe not . Anyway ,User Interface: I didn't receive it yet{vocalsound} .Project Manager: this is the the plan for today's meeting is um firstly just to introduce theproject briefly , um although I'm sure you've actually got some of the information already . Then themain purpose is to {disfmarker} so that we get to know each other a little bit more .Industrial Designer:Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Um then we want to practice using some of the tools that we'll be usingduring the the course of the design project and the meetings , um specifically the whiteboard over there .Um then we need to go through the specifics of our project plan um and discuss {disfmarker} come upwith some preliminary ideas about it . And then that's it . So we've got twenty five minutes to do that ,that's until eleven twenty five .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {gap} so shProject Manager: S so anyany questions ?Industrial Designer: {gap} {vocalsound} {gap} .Project Manager: Is i {gap} not at thispoint .User Interface: Not at this point .Project Manager: So this is our project . What we're aiming to dois to create a new remote control for a television . Um we want it to be something original , somethingtrendy and also something user friendly , so it has to be quite intuitive that people are able to use thisproduct . The method that we're going to use to complete the project , that has three components assuch . There's the functional design of the the remote control . We're going {disfmarker} the way we'll dothat I think is to to work individually initially and then come together for meetings to to work on that . Umsimilarly with the conceptual design , we'll start off by working individually with our own expertise on ourown laptops and then we'll bring what we've done together . Um and then the detailed design will comeafter that . We'll pull it all together .Industrial Designer: I'm a bit confused about uh what's the differencebetween the functional design and conceptual design ? Uh i is it just uh more detail , uh as I understand it?Project Manager: I think it {disfmarker} th w we're talking the the functional design is more your umarea of things where you'll be {disfmarker} we want to look at what functions we need in the remotecontrolIndustrial Designer: Right .Project Manager: and what what specific things it it has to doIndustrialDesigner: {gap}Project Manager: but the conceptual design is um perhaps bigger than that and includesthe {disfmarker} how people are going to use it and and that kind of thing .Industrial Designer: How howit will be done . So whe where do we identify the components of our uh product ? Uh I think it's it's in theconceptual design phase that we identify the {disfmarker} it's in the conceptual design phase that weidentify the components of our product ?Project Manager: Um I think we'll we'll start that initially with thefunctional design already but thenIndustrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: {disfmarker} yeah . Okay, so that's just a brief overview of the p the the project itself . Um what I'd like us to do now issimultaneously introduce ourselves and start using some of the tools that we're using for {vocalsound}for the project , specifically the whiteboard .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: So each personin turn , I'd like us to go up to the whiteboard , the pen's just underneath it there and draw your favouriteanimal and then tell everyone what the f your favourite characteristics of that animal are and while you'redoing that tell us your name , what your role is and perhaps how your animal relates to the role thatyou're taking in this project . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Why are youlooking at me ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Would you like togo first ? {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Do I have a choice ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: Okay . Ooh ooh , things falling everywhere .Project Manager: Oh , yeah,Marketing: Right , okay .Project Manager: p put them in pockets .Marketing: Cool . Okay .ProjectManager: You don't have to hurry , we've got plenty of time .Marketing: So , my name's Cat and I'mreally not very good at this whole drawing malarkeyIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: so um {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: It's got no eyes .Marketing:Oh , good point . Ah , the eyes always ruin it . Right . Okay , what do {gap} it's eyes like ? Okay , cool .Um this is a rabbit . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} I


PhD F: OK .Professor B: Uh . Somebody else should run this . I 'm sick of being the one to sort of gothrough and say , " Well , what do you think about this ? " You wanna {disfmarker} ?PhD D: Yeah .PhD F:Should we take turns ? You want me to run it today ?Professor B: Yeah . Why don't you run it today ? OK.PhD F: OK . OK . Um . Let 's see , maybe we should just get a list of items {disfmarker} things that weshould talk about . Um , I guess there 's the usual {pause} updates , everybody going around and saying, uh , you know , what they 're working on , the things that happened the last week . But aside from thatis there anything in particular that anybody wants to bring upPhD D: Mmm .PhD F: for today ? No ? OK .So why don't we just around and people can give updates .PhD E: Oh .PhD F: Uh , do you want to start ,Stephane ?PhD C: Alright . Um . Well , the first thing maybe is that the p Eurospeech paper is , uh ,accepted . Um . Yeah .PhD F: This is {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what do you , uh {disfmarker}what 's in the paper there ?PhD C: So it 's the paper that describe basically the , um , system that wereproposed for the {pause} Aurora .PhD F: The one that we s we submitted the last round ?PhD C: Right ,yeah .PhD D: Yeah .PhD F: Uh - huh .PhD C: Um {disfmarker} Yeah . So and the , fff {comment}comments seems {disfmarker} from the reviewer are good . So .PhD F: Hmm .PhD C: Mmm{disfmarker} Yeah .PhD F: Where {disfmarker} where 's it gonna be this year ?PhD C: It 's , uh , Aalborgin Denmark . And it 's ,PhD F: Oh , OK .PhD C: yeah , September .PhD F: Mmm .PhD C: Mmm{disfmarker} Yeah . Then , uh , whhh well , I 've been working on {disfmarker} on t mainly on on - linenormalization this week . Uh , I 've been trying different {disfmarker} slightly {disfmarker} slightlydifferent approaches . Um , the first thing is trying to play a little bit again with the , um , time constant .Uh , second thing is , uh , the training of , uh , on - line normalization with two different means , onemean for the silence and one for the speech . Um , and so I have two recursions which are controlled bythe , um , probability of the voice activity detector . Mmm . This actually don't s doesn't seem to help ,although it doesn't hurt . So . But {disfmarker} well , both {pause} on - line normalization approachseems equivalent . Well , they {disfmarker}PhD F: Are the means pretty different {pause} for the two?PhD C: Yeah . They can be very different . Yeah . Mm - hmm .PhD F: Hmm .Professor B: So do youmaybe make errors in different places ? Different kinds of errors ?PhD C: I didn't look , uh , more closely. Um . It might be , yeah . Mm - hmm . Um . Well , eh , there is one thing that we can observe , is thatthe mean are more different for {disfmarker} for C - zero and C - one than for the other coefficients .And {disfmarker} Yeah . And {disfmarker} Yeah , it {disfmarker} the C - one is {disfmarker} There arestrange {disfmarker} strange thing happening with C - one , is that when you have different kind ofnoises , the mean for the {disfmarker} the silence portion is {disfmarker} can be different . And{disfmarker}PhD F: Hmm .PhD C: So when you look at the trajectory of C - one , it 's {disfmarker} has astrange shape and I was expecting th the s that these two mean helps , especially because of the{disfmarker} the strange C - ze C - one shape , uh , which can {disfmarker} like , yo you can have , um ,a trajectory for the speech and then when you are in the silence it goes somewhere , but if the noise isdifferent it goes somewhere else .PhD F: Oh .PhD C: So which would mean that if we estimate the meanbased on all the signal , even though we have frame dropping , but we don't frame ev uh , dropeverything , but {disfmarker} uh , this can {disfmarker} hurts the estimation of the mean for speech ,and {disfmarker} Mmm . {comment} But I still have to investigate further , I think . Um , a third thing is, um , {vocalsound} that instead of t having a fixed time constant , I try to have a time constant that 'ssmaller at the beginning of the utterances to adapt more quickly to the r something that 's closer to theright mean . T t um {disfmarker} Yeah . And then this time constant increases and I have a thresholdthat {disfmarker}Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD C: well , if it 's higher than a certain threshold , I keep itto this threshold to still , uh , adapt , um , the mean when {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if the utterance is ,uh , long enough to {disfmarker} to continue to adapt after , like , one secondProfessor B: Mm - hmm .Mm - hmm .PhD C: or {disfmarker} Mmm . Uh , well , this doesn't help neither , but this doesn't hurt . So, well . It seems pretty {disfmarker}PhD F: Wasn't there some experiment you were gonna try where youdid something differently for each , um , {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker} I don't know whether it was each