Project Manager: Can I close this ?User Interface: Uh we don't have any changes , do we ?ProjectManager: Oh , okay .User Interface: So no . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} There we go .Okay , here we are again . Detailed design {disfmarker} oh , come on . Well {disfmarker} Ah {gap} sForgot to insert the minutes , but it's about the same thing we discussed before . Uh {disfmarker} Couldopen that anyway , think . Other design {disfmarker} anyway , we took as {disfmarker} we took w wetook rubber as as the material last time . We also {gap} that you're just busy with it . Took the advancedchip to t uh implement the advanced features . Well , we discussed the design , no sharp corners , werounded it off , like you see on the {gap} other screen , which is fine . Um {gap} we agreed that thecolour should be b uh yellow and black . Yellow in the back because it's m trendy , more trendy thanblack anyway . So {vocalsound} then we ca yeah . We agreed that we would implement both the L_C_D_and speech recognition , but I'll get to that in a moment . 'Cause some changes in the finances have leftus implications anyway . So so , like I said , we had no insight in finances , no prices ,Marketing: Hmm.Project Manager: but we have 'em now , and it's bad . Anyway . We are Oh . Prototype presentation ,well first you guys built the prototype . So {vocalsound} you could {gap} {disfmarker} could presentthat . But um let's see what be handy to do . Nee {disfmarker} no , you just go ahead and present the{disfmarker} w we'll scrap it later because {disfmarker} {gap} What ?Industrial Designer: I think it'smore or less the same as we had .User Interface: It's basically what we agreed upon ,Marketing: Hmm?Project Manager: Oh that'sUser Interface: but just a little bit more specified .Industrial Designer: Nomuch sProject Manager: hasn't changed that much , huh ?Industrial Designer: No no no , not at all.Project Manager: I didn't expect anyway {gap} . You just coloured it . {vocalsound}User Interface: Uh sFinal design . {vocalsound} Basically in {gap} {disfmarker} what we discussed , cover and buttons willbe made of rubber , yellow colour , black components , as you can see right over here .Project Manager:Mm-hmm . I like the menu .User Interface: We chose a different type of colour for the menu . A bitdarker yellow so that it com really shows in this keypad .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Ifyou put them all black , it's not really that good a contrast .Project Manager: And I suppose the the theyellow is not printed on the on the rubber . It's it's part of the rubber , I suppose .User Interface: So{disfmarker} ProbabProject Manager: I think that's more I think that's more durable anyway than printedon to {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah . That's the beIndustrial Designer: Hmm .User Interface: And it{disfmarker} I guess it's more easier to just paint it on the rubberIndustrial Designer: Yeah , of course.User Interface: than to uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: That's uh the integration story again.Marketing: Mm yeah . Okay .User Interface: So we have it's a bit round shaped ,Project Manager:{vocalsound} Oh yeah .User Interface: that's what we had uh {disfmarker} We chose the buttons to beuh teletext , okay button , favourite channel and the mute .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface:So that's basically what we chose there .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: If you have anything toadd , please interrupt me .Industrial Designer: No , uh this is just a description of what we see there.Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: So {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh .IndustrialDesigner: Speaks for itself .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: That's pretty much it .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Okay . Now it's my time to ruin everything . Well , not ruin everything , but {disfmarker}no , nah .User Interface: Oh sorry . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Finances , that's what we have here ,what you drew . We have battery power , we have advanced chips and the sam the sensor . The samplesensor and uh {disfmarker} for speak recognition anyway . So which {disfmarker} you see the{disfmarker} which is de o one of the most expensive parts . So {disfmarker} well , we have sin onecurve , {vocalsound} a design . Rubber design . And we had a special colour . Suppose yellow is a specialcolour . So just half a Euro for {gap} {disfmarker} You have pushbuttons and an L_C_D_ display . Youhave the total of seventeen Euros in production cost ,Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: whichis higher than the twelve and a half that we are permitted to use . So ,Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager:easy . What do we scrap . Well think I had the best solution that I came up with is just to s take out thespeech recognition .Industrial Designer: I dUser Interface: I'd say that too .Industrial Designer: Yeah


Project Manager: Is that alright now ? {vocalsound} Okay . Sorry ? Okay , everybody all set to start themeeting ? Okay , we've got half an hour for this one um to uh discuss the um functional design.Marketing: Could you plug me in ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay . Thanks.Project Manager: All ready to go ? Okay .Marketing: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um sohopefully you've all been working away , and I've put the minutes of the last meeting in the project folder. Um so I guess just to to recap on uh what we did last time . Um kind of uh got to know each other alittle bit and uh got familiar with all the equipment and started to discuss um a bit about the project , youknow , cost-wise how much how much money we had to s Um just want to tell you that you have threenew requirements , which is the {disfmarker} The first one {vocalsound} is that um uh the company'sdecided that teletext is outdated uh because of how popular the internet is . Nobody uses teletext verymuch anymore , so we don't really need to consider that in the functionality of the {disfmarker} of theremote control .Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: Um they've also suggested that we um we only usethe remote control to control the television , not the V_C_R_ , D_V_D_ or anything else . I think theworry is that if the project becomes too complex then it'll affect um how long it takes us to get it into intoproduction , the time to market . So um , we're just gonna keep it simple and it'll just control the T_V_.Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: And the other thing was that the company want the corporate colourand slogan to be implemented in the new design . Um I'm not entirely sure what the corporate colour is .It might be yellow , because there seems to be a lot of yellow everywhere .Marketing: And the slogan ,like the actual written slogan , or just to embody the idea of the slogan ?Project Manager: Well that's thething , I'm I'm not sure um {vocalsound} uh th because on the the company website , uh what does itsay {disfmarker} Uh something {disfmarker}Marketing: 'Bout putting the fashion in electronics.Industrial Designer: Mm yeah .Project Manager: Yeah , I mean do they {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Isthat something they want actually written on it , 'cause it's quite long . Um or yeah , just the idea , butI'm not sure . So that's something we can discuss as well . So those are the three things , just not toworry about teletext , uh only control the T_V_ , and um and uh incorporate the uh colour and slogan ofthe company . Um so is everybody okay with any of that , or do you want me to recap at all ?IndustrialDesigner: Nope , we're all set .Project Manager: Right um , time for presentations then . Who would liketo go first ?User Interface: {vocalsound} I'll go first .Project Manager: Okay , cool .Marketing: Sure .UserInterface: Alright um , can I st steal this from the back of your laptop ? Uh {disfmarker}Project Manager:Oh yeah , of course , yeah . G go on ahead .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {gap} so this is thetechnical functions design . Um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Right {gap} to do the um {vocalsound} thedesign I have I've had a look online , I've had a look at the homepage , which has given us um some inspinspiration from previous products .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Um I've had a look at theprevious products to see what they offer and um I would like to ask you guys for um {vocalsound} yourideas about the design at the end of the meeting . Um unfortunately we're not allowed to talk outside themeeting room , so {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .Marketing: Right .User Interface:Um , having a look at the existing products , I found out that um it tends to come in sort of two extremes, there's either um a very complicated one that's got lots of buttons , lots of colours , very confusing , youdon't know what you're doing . {vocalsound} Um in that case the the labelling tends to be very bad . Umthere's an example I'll show you at the end , um {gap} sh show you now . Uh {disfmarker}{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Alright {gap} .User Interface: {gap} here um the buttonthere and there . This one's prog . Sorry . That one's perg and that one's prog , and it doesn't really tellyou what it does . Um , not sure if you had a a look at the other um control in that example . Um it's avery simple one . It's got only the basic functions mm but um {vocalsound} it's the same size as the thehard to use one .Project Manager: Oop .User Interface: {vocalsound} Uh it looked a bit clunky . They'revery big and not very much use for {gap} buttons . {vocalsound} Um , {vocalsound} and it's just veryhard to access the advanced functions . There's there's nothing for instance for a slow motion button .Um , my own preferences , I prefer the the clunky one . Um it's very easy to use . Um but unfortunately


Marketing: Hello .Project Manager: {gap} . {gap} .Marketing: Yes , I made it . English from now on{vocalsound} . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {gap} . {vocalsound}Marketing: Drawingor {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah just testing .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Mm ? English.Industrial Designer: Just kidding .Project Manager: {gap} .Industrial Designer: So annoying .ProjectManager: Break is over .Marketing: Ooh it works .Project Manager: Whoo .Marketing: {vocalsound}Spicy .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Spicy .Marketing: Where are are all the other presentations?Industrial Designer: I just put it in the in the shared folder so it should be {disfmarker}Marketing: Theconceptual or {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: yeah I think so . Yeah , conceptual design . What orwhatever does it {disfmarker}Marketing: Ah . Because I see only my own presentation {vocalsound}{gap}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: No no no , can you go back one ?Marketing: yeah.Industrial Designer: Uh 'cause it has to be PowerPoint pre yeah components design , that's it .Marketing:This ? {gap} I'll just put it in there .Project Manager: So , he's coming .Industrial Designer: {gap} .{vocalsound} I did get a bit more done than the last time ,Marketing: Or not .User Interface: Okay.Project Manager: Oh okay .Industrial Designer: 'cause I knew that I didn't have time so I just copy andpaste everything into the {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Ah ,Project Manager: Ah .She {gap} .Marketing: I can't cut and paste it into the other folder but {disfmarker}Project Manager: Youcan look at the final report , 'cause I have to record everything we are deciding and such , so I'm tryingto write it down between everything else .Marketing: Move to meeting room .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Sometimes I have these pop-ups or these sounds and there's nothing there ,Marketing:Yeah .Project Manager: Oh .Industrial Designer: and also with {disfmarker} I don't know how to usePowerPoint , so it takes me forever to get something done with it .Marketing: Yeah me too , {gap} .UserInterface: {vocalsound} I I've got the same problem as well . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah.Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Here we go again . Welcome . Uh we have again three presentationsand then we have to decide on what concepts the mobile phone has to uh {disfmarker} f the remotecontrol has to support .Industrial Designer: ThiProject Manager: So who wants go .Industrial Designer:Mm-hmm .Marketing: Yes .Project Manager: Yes ?Industrial Designer: Who wants to start ?Marketing: Mefirst again or {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah sure . Doesn't matter .User Interface: Oh . No . Yeah .No problemMarketing: yeah . Alright . Did you open it already or {disfmarker}Project Manager: No.Marketing: no . Ah . Ah . Yes . So welcome to the marketing presentation once again . Um this timeabout trendwatching . {vocalsound} Uh well there has been inv investigation again , in the in the remotecontrol market . Uh it shows a number of developments . Uh I will address them uh in a moment . Umfashion watch watchers uh have detected the trends for young public , because that's our public . Um wellfruit and vegetables will be will be the most important theme for clothing , uh shoes and furniture . Andthe feel of the material is expected to be spongey . So um the developments I will address them{disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: oh yeah well this is the fruit and vegetables looksof fresh bright colours . So to give you an idea . Um well the developments ? Uh development one .{vocalsound} Uh well most important aspect for remote control happens to be a fancy look-and-feel .Instead of the current uh functional look-and-feel . Um well fancy stands for an original look-and-feel ofthe case and the interface . And the second most important aspect is that a remote control should betechnological uh innovative . Um well it stands for the use of technical features that do not exist incurrent remote controls . I think we pretty much covered that with our screen and um and speechrecognition ,Industrial Designer: Sound . Yeah yeah uh uh .Marketing: so I don't expect that to be aproblem . And the third development um is that the remote control should be easy to use . Um{disfmarker} Well the first aspect uh was twice as important as the second aspect,w which was twice asimportant as the third aspect .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: So um that kind of gets you thisratios . So fancy look-and-feel uh is the most important uh point of attention .Project Manager: {gap}.Marketing: Uh so the fruits and vegetables in combination with the spongey material . Um well technolog


Grad H: stGrad F: So we 're on .Grad H: Yeah . That 's better .Grad F: And , {comment} somewhere ismy agenda . I think the most important thing is Morgan wanted to talk about , uh , the ARPA {pause}demo .Professor D: Well , so , here 's the thing . Um , why don't we s again start off with {disfmarker}with , uh , Yeah , I 'll get it . I 'll get the door . Um , I think we want to start off with the agenda . Andthen , given that , uh , Liz and Andreas are gonna be {pause} ten , fifteen minutes late , we can try tofigure out what we can do most effectively without them here . So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So{disfmarker} so , one thing is , yeah , talk about demo ,Grad F: OK . So , uh {disfmarker} uh , IBMtranscription status ,Professor D: IBM transcription . Uh , what else ?Grad F: Professor D:  What 'sSmartKom ? SmartKom ?Grad F: Uh , we wanna talk about if w if we wanna add the data to the marMeeting Recorder corpus .PhD E: The data . The data which we are collecting here .Professor D: What{disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what are we collecting here ?PhD E: Data ?Grad F: So why don't wehave that on the agenda and we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll get to it and talk about it ?PhD E: The SmartKomdata ?Professor D: Yeah , right .PhD E: Yeah .Professor D: Uh , right . Uh .Grad F: Uh , reorganizationstatus .Professor D: Reorganization status .Postdoc A: Oh . Files and directories ?Professor D: Files anddirectories .Grad F: Yep . Uh - huh . Absinthe , which is the multiprocessor UNIX {disfmarker} Linux . Ithink it was {pause} Andreas wanted to talk about segmentation and recognition , and update on SRIrecognition experiments .Professor D: Um {disfmarker}Grad F: And then if ti if there 's time I wanted totalk about digits , but it looked like we were pretty full , so I can wait till next week .Professor D: Right .OK . Well , let 's see . I think the a certainly the segmentation and recognition we wanna maybe focus onwhen An - Andreas is here since that was particularly his thing .PhD E: And also the SmartKom thingshould bProfessor D: SmartKom also , Andreas . Absinthe , I think also he has sort of been involved in alot of those things .Grad F: At least ,Professor D: Yeah .Grad F: yeah , he 'll t he 'll probably be interested.Professor D: Yeah .Grad F: But .Professor D: Um So , I mean , I think they 'll be inter I 'll be interestedin all this , but {disfmarker} but , uh , probably , if we had to pick something {pause} that we would talkon for ten minutes or so while they 're coming here . Or I guess it would be , you think , reorganizationstatus , or {disfmarker} ?Grad F: Yeah . I mean , I think , Chuck was the one who added out the agendaitem . I don't really have anything to say other than that we still haven't done it .PhD B: Well , I mean , Iuh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} just basically that {disfmarker}Grad F: So .PhD B: maybe I said{disfmarker} maybe we said this before {disfmarker} just that we met and we talked about it and wesort of have a plan for getting things organized and {disfmarker}Postdoc A: And I {disfmarker} and Ithink a crucial part of that is the idea of {disfmarker} of not wanting to do it until right before the nextlevel zero back - up so that there won't be huge number of {disfmarker} of added ,PhD B: Right .PostdocA: uh {disfmarker}Grad F: Right .PhD B: That {disfmarker} that was basically it . Not {disfmarker} notmuch @ @ {disfmarker}Grad F: Although Dave basically said that if we wanna do it , just tell him and he'll do a d level zero then .Postdoc A: Yeah . Uh - huh . Oh , excellent .Grad F: So .Postdoc A: Oh , good.PhD B: Oh , so maybe we should just go ahead and get everything ready , and {disfmarker}Grad F: Yep. So , I think we do need to talk a little bit about {disfmarker} Well , we don't need to do it during thismeeting .PhD B: Yeah .Grad F: We have a little more to discuss . But , uh , we 're {disfmarker} we 'rebasically ready to do it . And , uh , I have some web pages on ts {comment} more of the background .So , naming conventions and things like that , that I 've been trying to keep actually up to date . So . AndI 've been sharing them with U - d UW folks also .Postdoc A: I 'm sorry , you 've been what ? Showingthem ?Professor D: OK .Postdoc A: Sharing them .Grad F: Sharing them with the UW folks .Postdoc A: OK. OK .Professor D: OK . Well , maybe uh , since that {disfmarker} that was a pretty short one , maybe weshould talk about the IBM transcription status . Someone can {vocalsound} fill in Liz and Andreas later .UhGrad F: OK . So , we , uh {disfmarker} we did another version of the beeps , where we separated eachbeeps with a spoken digit . Chuck came up here and recorded some di himself speaking some digits , andso it just goes " beep one beep " and then the phrase , and then " beep two beep " and then the phrase .And that seems pretty good . Um , I think they 'll have a b easier time keeping track of where they are in


Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: So ,Project Manager: So , uh now {vocalsound}Marketing: Hi Christa .{vocalsound}Project Manager: it's the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Hi Sammy . {vocalsound} It's thedetail design meeting , so we're going {disfmarker} last meeting . So um , first uh Mark and Rama aregoing to present uh the prototype . Uh then uh Sammy will propose some uh crite cr criteria to evaluatethis prototype . Then , w we {disfmarker} {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yes .{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yes . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} And then wegoing to do some finance to see if uh it is uh feasibleUser Interface: And chocolate ? {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} and uh at the end we will we will um evaluate ourself as a team . {vocalsound}And that's all . Okay . So first , {vocalsound} let's uh see the prototype .Marketing: Mm .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh , here we have our prototypemodel .Project Manager: Okay . And you have some slides then ?User Interface: Mm-hmm .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah . Yeah , we have also some slides .Project Manager: {gap} Yeah . Mm .User Interface:Yes , and place some slides .Project Manager: Okay . Uh so in which uh {disfmarker}User Interface: Uh ,participant three . {vocalsound} Prototype .Industrial Designer: In {disfmarker} Yeah .Project Manager:Mm okay . Mm .Industrial Designer: Five .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Uh , so this is our remote control .Industrial Designer: Him .Project Manager: {vocalsound}UserInterface: It's a r working prototype . You can use it now by switching all these buttons . So first , Ipresent as we came to this perfect model ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: and then we'llgive some technical specifications .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: That's{vocalsound} well {vocalsound} {vocalsound} , so that's that . Please , next slide . We analysed all thefruitsProject Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: and contacted NASA , and uh made some{vocalsound} real good {disfmarker}Project Manager: MASA ? {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}{vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah . If you can see this , and the stars areshowing that {gap} . And um , {vocalsound} s society will accept that . For sure .Marketing: Mm-hmm.User Interface: {vocalsound} And making some analysis of different fruits , we choose the ultimate form, ultimate colours , and uh ultimate smell of it . S please , next slide . But we still didn't want to go farfrom our titanium idea , 'cause it's the most of the moder the m the {gap} modern material we can pselect . And it's practical . And it's still say it's for our needs , so please press something . And as I said ,{vocalsound} it's perfect . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound}{vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Please press it .Industrial Designer: Experience. ExplanatUser Interface: Everyone is {gap} f really uh really glad to obtain an {disfmarker}{vocalsound} s such a r such a device .Marketing: Such a nice thing . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:See this {gap} . {vocalsound}User Interface: So you can touch it with your hands .Marketing: Can I?User Interface: Sure . Yes . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: You can {disfmarker}Marketing: Ho-ho .{vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} imitating flatulence] {vocalsound}Project Manager: What doyou say ? {vocalsound}User Interface: NMarketing: It says {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} You must say it .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Spongy.Marketing: I will uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} One day .Marketing: I'll buy it .{vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound}Marketing: If I if I need so . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: He {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: Hopefullymy daughter will like it . {vocalsound}User Interface: Okay . Y and we got the answer . Uh , it is , yes , ofcourse .Marketing: Yes , of course . Of c course . {vocalsound}User Interface: {gap} , please next slide .Um , this is a prototype . You can have a look at it , and {disfmarker} That's all I wanted to say.Marketing: Ah .User Interface: Now it's technical specification by our colleague .Industrial Designer:Hmm .Project Manager: Hmm .Industrial Designer: So {disfmarker}Marketing: Oh , there is{vocalsound} a button missing .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing:{vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: This this is really flexible . You can add yourbuttons .Marketing: It's in option . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah . So function ,


Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Are you sure I got it all {disfmarker} head's kinda small.User Interface: How're we placed in terms of the {disfmarker}Marketing: Okay . {gap}User Interface:alright .Marketing: We're okay ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Guess I should probably try to sit upstraight .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Like that ? Okay , cool .Marketing: We're good?Industrial Designer: Oh , I think mine's fallen off .User Interface: It fell {disfmarker} That's why.Marketing: I guess it's gonna be hard to drink coffee .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm.User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Uh okay .User Interface: Ah .Project Manager: Okay ?{vocalsound} Right , so I'm just gonna start this PowerPoint real quick . Yeah , PowerPoint .IndustrialDesigner: Wow .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Very official .Project Manager: Yeah , well , youknow , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah I kinda like this I'm kinda getting into it . Right . Um . Sojust to kick off the meeting basically um so we're working now for a real reaction , this is uh so it{vocalsound} right . Just got an agenda to set out what we're gonna try to accomplish in this particularfirst meeting . Um {vocalsound} We're gonna just do a quick opening and we can hopefully all getacquainted with one another um then we're gonna start {disfmarker} talk a little bit about tool training .Essentially that means getting used to the only thing that we haven't tried out yet , the whiteboard .{vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} we've got a general plan for the project how we're gonna go aboutaccomplishing this and then just a bit of discussion close up . Um I {gap} guess you know game orsomething um {vocalsound} in real life um so yeah basically I want to {disfmarker} I'm just gonna{disfmarker} you got {disfmarker} of course you can discuss that , I'm thinking about um {vocalsound}uh proposing that since we've got this weird blend of ourselves and our roles that we just don't ask ,don't tell . {vocalsound} Um so um if you say something about marketing , right , sorted , um{vocalsound} y isMarketing: {vocalsound} You're just gonna believe me ,Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: we'll go from there .Project Manager: Exactly . Um I meanMarketing: Fairenough .Project Manager: obvi if if you guys {disfmarker} if if at the same time if you {disfmarker} likelogically if something doesn't {disfmarker} like if I'm like we're gonna sell a remote control that's the sizeof this paper book you know um you say like well that doesn't seem like such a good idea because of X_obviously go with it . I mean we'll discuss it but I'm not gonna ask do you know that or uh yeah it seemslikeMarketing: Prove itProject Manager: {vocalsound} yeah yeah exactlyMarketing: yeah , okay .ProjectManager: so , 'cause we're {disfmarker} what we're sort of role playing is y g yeah you're gonna tap intoyour own knowledge as well {vocalsound} um . And that's the same for your when we do introductions Imean um and you talk about your background you know have fun , you know maybe you went to um{vocalsound} uh you know maybe i you're like in Maine you went to U_C_S_B_ but you wanna say youwent to Harvard or something like that , why not , you knowIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: you can {disfmarker} this is you know I guess we can have a little bit offun with it . So are you guys okay with that does that seem logical ?Industrial Designer: Oh yeah , that'sfine .User Interface: Sure .Marketing: Works for me .Project Manager: Sweet . Cool . So I guess that that{vocalsound} we're totally {disfmarker} we're making a remote control which is thrillingIndustrialDesigner: Right .Project Manager: um uh but the idea is that we can make something based on the wholecorporate model I dunno if you guys had time to check the {disfmarker} in real life I dunno if you guysuh {vocalsound} checked the um {vocalsound} uh the corporate website . Um we've got to makesomething as fashionable as possible , that's kind of the corporate strategy is we're gonna try to takeordinary stuff that nobody really thinks about and try to make it nice you know like John Lewis nice oryou know if you go to Debenham's or something . So um basically we are reinventing the wheel but wewanna try to do it in a user friendly um slick sleek kind of way . {vocalsound} Um way we're gonna goabout doing that is basically at first we're gonna start on the basics . And that's where I'm gonna needyou guys the User Interface Designers and the um {vocalsound} um the other designer that I can'tremember ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: the the I_D_ and the U_I_D_ right um


The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota (NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)): We'll call this meeting to order. Welcome tothe fifth meeting of the House of Commons Special Committee on the COVID-19 Pandemic.  Pursuant tothe order passed on Monday, April20, the committee is meeting today to consider ministerialannouncements, to allow members of the committee to present petitions, and to question ministers,including the Prime Minister, about the COVID-19 pandemic. Tomorrow, May8, Dr.AndreaMcCrady,Dominion Carillonneur, will give a special recital to mark the 75th anniversary of Victory in Europe Day.Victory in Europe Day, VE Day, commemorates the formal acceptance of Germany's surrender by alliedforces at the end of the Second World War. While the pandemic prevents us from gathering to celebratein person, tomorrow at noon the voice of our nation will ring out in remembrance of this milestone in ourhistory. Today's meeting is taking place by video conference. The proceedings will be made available viathe House of Commons website. Just so you are aware, the webcast will always show the personspeaking rather than the entire committee. I would like to remind members that, as in the House ofCommons or committee, they should not take photos of their colleagues or film the proceedings. In orderto facilitate the work of the interpreters and to allow the meeting to proceed smoothly, I would ask you tofollow some instructions. The video conference will be interpreted as in normal meetings of committeesand in the House. In the lower part of your screen, you can choose the language: floor, English or French.Please wait until I call on you by name before you begin to speak. When you are ready to speak, click onthe microphone icon to activate your microphone, or hold the space bar down while you are speaking. Ifyou release the bar, your microphone will revert to mute, just like a walkie-talkie. Honourable members,I would like to remind you that if you want to speak English, you should be on the English channel. If youwant to speak French, you should be on the French channel. Should you wish to alternate between thetwo languages, you should change the channel to the language that you are speaking each time youswitch languages. Please direct your remarks through the chair. Should you need to request the flooroutside of your designated speaking time, you should activate your mike and state that you have a pointof order. If a member of the committee wishes to intervene on a point of order raised by another person,you should use the raised hand function to indicate to the chair that you wish to speak. To do this, clickon the participant button at the bottom of your screen. When the list appears, you will see the raisedhand option beside your name. Speak slowly and clearly at all times. When you are not speaking, leaveyour microphone on mute. It is highly recommended that you use a headset with a microphone. You haveto remember to switch languages. Should any technical challenges arise, for example, in relation tointerpretation, please advise the chair immediately by raising a point of order, and the technical team willwork on resolving them. Please note that we may need to suspend during these times in order to correcta problem. I want to remind the honourable members to mute their microphones when they are notspeaking. If you get accidentally disconnected, please try to rejoin the meeting with the information youused to join initially. If you are unable to rejoin, please contact our technical support team. Before we getstarted, please note that in the top right-hand corner of your screen is a button that you can use tochange views. Speaker view allows you to focus on the person currently speaking; gallery view allowsyou to see a larger number of participants. You can click through the multiple pages in the gallery view tosee who is on and how many more participants there are. I understand there are no ministerialannouncements today. We will now proceed to presenting petitions for a period not exceeding 15minutes. I would like to remind members that any petition presented during the meeting of the specialcommittee must have already been certified by the clerk of petitions. In addition, to ensure a petition isconsidered properly presented, the certificate of the petition and each page of the petition for a petitioncertified in a previous Parliament should be mailed to the committee no later than 6 p.m. the day before.Now we'll go to presenting petitions. Mr. Genuis.Mr. Garnett Genuis (Sherwood ParkFort Saskatchewan,CPC): Mr. Chair, five years ago when Parliament passed Bill C-14, then justice minister JodyWilson-Raybould said that it represented a finely tuned balance between access and safeguards. It alsoincluded a five-year review. Petitioners on the first petition I'm presenting are very concerned to see Bill


Project Manager: Right w welcome to the the first meeting of uh Real Reaction's uh um developmentmeetings for our our new television remote control . Uh this follows our very successful entry into the theconsumer market over the last year or so um which we want to to build on , taking advantage of the uhthe the latest developments in in technology and the uh the latest uh {vocalsound} uh feelings in inconsumer design and and demand and uh we want to make this the the very best product th that'spossible for everybody , uh one that everybody wants , uh at a good price for the consumer and at agood price for the company . Uh and to that end we need all to work together uh to do that . Um and uh bin no particular order because ev everybody is uh {vocalsound} just as vital to this projectMarketing: Mm.Project Manager: um {vocalsound} I'll just go round th the table , Andrew , marketing , um m Kendrawith the uh um {disfmarker} designing the the the User Interface uh uh and Kate with the the industrialdesign . Um . {vocalsound} What's uh {disfmarker} the the th th project is is here to do , is is to to getthis this project up and moving , ev everybody is is free to uh say wh whatever they want , uh everybodyhas a contribution to make and uh {vocalsound} everybody feel free to interrupt me at any time to to saywhat you want to say . Um in in terms of the immediate meeting the uh um {gap} everybody knowseverybody else , everybody's worked for the the company for a while , if if an anybody feels that theyneed to say more about themselves please do , if if if anybody wants to b briefly give their theirbackground so that everybody's quite clear what everybody uh {disfmarker} uh everybody's experienceis please do so . Uh in fact I'd I'd I'd welcome anybody to uh say something briefly about themselves , infact we will do that by by going round the table quickly and and saying what what contribution you{disfmarker} you're looking to make . So we'll start with Andrew .Marketing: Oh my name's Andrew I'ma {disfmarker} I'm the Market Research person for this uh for this meeting and this uh project forcreating this new remote control and uh yeah I'll be uh presenting information statistics on what peoplewant to want to uh get from this new design , what people want to {gap} like {disfmarker} and from afashion point of view and the practicality point of view .Project Manager: Right {vocalsound} Kendra.User Interface: {vocalsound} I'm Kendra and I'm the Us User Interface Designer and um {vocalsound} Ihaven't had a whole lot of experience in this kind of thing before but I'm m so I'll be {vocalsound}working on the design .Project Manager: Right at least means you haven't got any preconceived ideas so.User Interface: Right . Yep , I'm just open to being creative .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Uh I'mKatie ,Project Manager: Yep , good .Industrial Designer: I'm the Industrial Designer and I'll just be Iguess presenting about the the inter workings of our little remote control and uh {disfmarker} yeah.Project Manager: Okay , very very quickly , um {vocalsound} this {disfmarker} I don't want to makethis meeting too structured because the the whole idea is that it's a um you know a think tank .Everybody says what they {gap} what they want to say , uh and we don't want to be constrained by uhkind of convention or uh uh slides on screens or or anything else um but um briefly um th th this is whatwe want to do . The the remote control needs to be original , there has to be something about it that uhother remote controls don't have so that as soon as people see it they think um yes that's different , uh Iwant one , um and that goes along with being trendy , uh uh you know the I want it uh scenario .User-friendly as as we all know , remote controls can be uh uh very user-unfriendly so we want to makeours one that people can pick upMarketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: and think oh yes that's{disfmarker} it's obvious how that works , uh and they also want to look at the price and think oh yeahthat's something that {disfmarker} I may not need another remote control but uh it's such a nice one I'mgonna have one . And last but not least , or indeed first of all , it it must make the company money , andwe make the company money by producing what the consumer wants . The uh the further work to bedone is i the um the functional design , uh what it uh what it must actually do , the uh conceptual design ,uh how we actually present that to the consumer and th the the detailed design i is uh how we get thatinto production . Uh now th the main design tool that we have available to us at the moment is is thewhite board and uh uh {vocalsound} let us very quickly do what i what it says in the in the in the promptslide here , um {disfmarker} In fact I suggest to avoid everybody untangling themselves from the uh the


Project Manager: Okay , well I think we're ready to begin . Right , my name's Adam Duguid , we're herebecause of real reaction , um , we have in the groupMarketing: Oh , Ebenezer Ademesoye . Would youlike me to spell that ?Project Manager: Um , yeah ,Marketing: SProject Manager: go for it mate.Marketing: Um , N_E_Z_Project Manager: N_ E_ Z_ .Marketing: E_R_ .Project Manager: Ebenezer . Andyour role is ?Marketing: I'm the Marketing Expert .Project Manager: You're the Marketing Expert , okay .Next we have ?Industrial Designer: Tarik Rahman . T_A_R_I_K_ .Project Manager: T_ R_ I_ K_ . Andyour role in this is ?Industrial Designer: Industrial Designer .Project Manager: Industrial Designer . And ,lastly we have ?User Interface: Uh , Dave Cochrane .Project Manager: And you're going to be the UserInterface ,User Interface: User Interface Defin Designer , yes .Project Manager: is it ? Designer . Okay .Right . This is the agenda for today's meeting . As you can see , w opening , acquaintance , tool training ,project plan discussion , and closing . Um , we already got n through opening , and partially throughacquaintance . So , the reason we're here , we're gonna design a new remote control , as you probably allknow . The very broad overview is original , trendy , and user-friendly . Course , we'll have to go into abit more um detail than that , but uh {vocalsound} personally I think that the original is gonna be a verykey aspect to this design . Um , there's a lot of remote controls out there anyway , so we're gonna needsomething that's really gonna set it apart . This is how today seems to be going to work . We're gonnahave the three kay phases , as you've probably already been told , the functional , architectural , and thedetailed design . Um {disfmarker} First one's gonna be covering the user requirement spec , technicalfunctions , working design . Second seems to be conceptual components , properties , materials , and thelast one is a detailed analysis of our design so far . Of course , you've all got the similar emails , I believe, right . {vocalsound} What can I say ? Ebenezer , you wanna have a {disfmarker} you wanna draw yourfavourite animal {vocalsound} ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Sure . {vocalsound}Whiteboard . 'Kay . S okay . I will make this quick , since we don't have much time . {vocalsound} Um .{vocalsound} 'Kay , so it's not the best picture in the world .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} Here we have an elephant . First point , begins with an E_ , same like Ebenezer . Also ,elephants have a very good memory , much like myself ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:and I can't remember back when I used to live back in Nigeria , but I think I used to have a pet elephant. So elephants are big , strong and gentle , and they have great memories , and they begin with the letterE_ , just like Ebenezer .Project Manager: Brilliantly done . Thank you . {vocalsound}Marketing: Thankyou .Project Manager: Tarik , would you like to have a shot at a bit of artistry ?Industrial Designer: {gap}.Project Manager: Oh , um ,Marketing: Oh . Oh {vocalsound} ohProject Manager: you can clip them toyour belt .Industrial Designer: Do we take them off ?Marketing: I think you gaIndustrial Designer: Ohright ,Project Manager: You should also l um have your {disfmarker} the lapel mic on as well .IndustrialDesigner: okay .Marketing: The little {disfmarker} The the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Ah-ha.Marketing: Oh that's good , we can clip them on . Okay . Yeah ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Nowwhere do I put the {disfmarker}Marketing: Just um somewhere {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yep , the{gap} , it's just across there , that's it . Yep .Industrial Designer: Is this supposed to be clipped as well?Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: I think so .Project Manager: It'll follow you if you{disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah . There you go .Project Manager: You can probably just stick it in yourpocket for now , I wouldn't worry too much . Should have good range .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Uh , destroying your elephant here .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Uh , here we have a tiger . Uh {disfmarker} I'vealways loved tigers . They're just {disfmarker} they're big , they're biggest cats , uh I did a project oncats in the wild when I was a kid and uh it was my favourite cat , just 'cause it was {disfmarker} looksthe best , the stripes , orange . My dad used to talk about {disfmarker} he's from Bangladesh so he usedto tell me all about them when he was {disfmarker} when I was a kid . And uh they're just the mostfeared of of uh animals in the wild . So uh that's why I like them . Didn't say an anything about me reallybut {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Excellent , thank you very much . Dave , if you'd like to


Project Manager: All set ? Okay . Cool . Right . So um basically I'm just gonna go over real quickly umsome news I've just got from the board on how we're supposed to do with this um {vocalsound} remotecontrol . And then I'm gonna turn over to you guys to make brief presentations um on what you've foundand then we'll have a bit of discussion . So basically uh what I've just found out from the board I dunno ifyou guys got this email as well but it needs to be television only . So no {disfmarker} we're not doingD_V_D_ , we're not doing anything else ,Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: it's just gonna be atelevision remote . {vocalsound} Um it also needs to have the company colours included in it .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um so that's red and black . And it has to havethe slogan , case you guys forget the slogan it's , we put fashion in electronics . Um and no teletext . I'mnot sure what teletext is but I'm assuming you guys do , so we don't wanna include that um in thisparticular design . {vocalsound} For reasons that I don't really know . There's {disfmarker} but it's theboard so there you go . So basically um given those guidelines which will have some effect on how wedesign we'll discuss it later I mean 'cause it's television only we'll be able to change our uh {vocalsound}um well we can s sacrifice more function for a better television remote . {vocalsound} Anyway . So I'mgonna turn over to the Industrial Designer uh to go ahead and make a presentation on{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Okay . So do I unplug this bit here ?Project Manager: Oh , right yeah.Marketing: Gotta plug you in .Project Manager: Yep . Might have to hit function F_ eight but it looks likeit's gonna come up . Yep . Cool .Industrial Designer: Okay . Right . That's page one of my presentation.Project Manager: Brilliant .Marketing: Very nice . For your first PowerPoint it's lovely .IndustrialDesigner: So the uh method . We're gonna have to understand how remote controls work and res uhsuccessfully complete this project . Um remote control works as follows . This is all pretty basic stuff youguys . Um sends message to another system , so there's an energy source involved in that like a batteryor solar power , something along those lines , there's an integrated circuit , which is the microchip , umand that actually compose the messages and usually the way a a remote control works is it sends infraredbits to another system . A user interface controls the chip , basically that's the casing and the buttons andum accordingly the messages as well . So my findings , um I just did a preliminary study here and uh Ifound that too much metal in remote design could potentially cause interference with the ability of theremote to send commands . And too much metal can cause remotes to behave unexpectedly by receivingfalse signals . Um too much metal is used sometimes and people pick up radio signals and the like , andthere's also the possibility of the remote catching on fire and injuring the customer , just think of thoselawsuits , that'd be really bad .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} 'Kay .IndustrialDesigner: Therefore I suggest primarily plastic construction . Um , components . Just some ideas that Ihad , um , energy source , it's kinda hip to be eco friendly so I thought maybe we could do somethingwith solar power with an alkaline battery backup . Um the user interface , I was {disfmarker} since wecan't use metal I was thinking maybe a high grade recycled plastic .Project Manager: Mm .IndustrialDesigner: The chip , um , silicon based chip I don't really see any way around that , we can't really bedifferent in that respect . Um , the sender well I'm thinking infrared 'cause it is the industry standard ,multi channel , that's a word I made up , I don't really know what it means .Project Manager: 'Kay . Fairenough .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh PAL and N_T_S_C_ compatible and uh probablya two hundred foot range .Project Manager: 'Kay .Industrial Designer: Uh and the receiver of course isany number of electronic devices . Um but in this case it'll only be T_V_s . Um personal preferences , Ireally think that we should use plastic as opposed to metal , um , the company simply can't afford thiskinds of lawsuitsMarketing: Fine .Industrial Designer: which adm admittedly is gonna come at the cost ofa certain aesthetic value ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} Is is there a way that we can use um moderntypes of polymers , or mo modern types of plasticsIndustrial Designer: 'cause we were thinking{disfmarker}Project Manager: that maybe do have some kind of aesthetic value um like if a white{disfmarker} like if we talk about like well like on the lapt on these laptops and other ones they use a apretty nice ,Industrial Designer: Right .Marketing: It needs , yeah .Project Manager: you can do i is there


Project Manager: Welcome back .Industrial Designer: I'm sorry to be late .Project Manager: Welcomeback everybody .User Interface: Yeah . Thanks .Project Manager: So this meeting agenda will be thedetailed design meeting . And uh opening and uh P_M_s {gap} of the meet minutes , uh prototypepresentation from uh Christine and uh Agnes .Industrial Designer: Agnes , yes .Project Manager: Yes anduh evaluation criteria . The finance , it's uh from my side , from the management , and uh productionevaluation . Then uh closing . So we have forty minutes to discuss and uh finalise and close the productand project and to move further , okay , so {disfmarker} Okay , let's talk about uh maybe first uh for theprototype .User Interface: Mm , okay .Project Manager: So I handle to {disfmarker}User Interface: I'vedone a presentation , but it pretty much covers work that we've both done , so if I'm missing anything ,Christine can just correct me .Project Manager: So shall I go to {disfmarker} sorry .Industrial Designer:Uh thank you , so you did a PowerPoint presentation , good for you . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yep .S Okay , let's go to A_M_I_ .User Interface: {vocalsound} It's not the biggest PowerPoint presentation inthe world , but {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} So in two or three or {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Three. Um . {vocalsound} No it's {disfmarker}Marketing: Probably . Technical pa I would think .UserInterface: think it's the last one . No , then this is {vocalsound} the la yeah , that one , final design.Marketing: Ha .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: It is named appropriately , you just couldn't seethe name .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Umokay , can I have the mouse ?Project Manager: Yes .User Interface: Thanks . Alright , so from{disfmarker} when we were discussing specifying the case in the last meeting , we decided that wewanted an ergonomic shape , the material that we chose was wood , and uh the colour would becustomisable , 'cause you can stain the wood whatever colour . Um , so in terms of function , you have tobe able to turn the T_V_ on and off , volume and channel control , menu control , voice recognitioncontrol , and we've incorporated the L_C_D_ screen on the flip panel as part of the design , if we figureout it's too expensive , well then you just take it off . {vocalsound} Um , so {vocalsound} to unveil ourlovely product . This is our remote control , with the flip panel as you can see .Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: So if you lift up the panel , you can see the lovely yellow L_C_D_ display .{vocalsound} Um , this is actually hard to do . The yellow button you have is the on off button , so it'sreally big , hard to miss . You have the the red um triangles are the toggles for changing the volume . Soup {disfmarker} volume up , down {disfmarker} volume down . The green are the channel changing .{vocalsound} S And it's one of those very light , very touchable displays . And then you have the numericpad in the dark blue at the bottom , and on the right-hand side you have the access to the menu on theT_V_ , and on the left-hand side you have the the the ability to turn off the voice recognition . So this ispretty much what we had on the white board the last time .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface:So .Industrial Designer: Um and uh I could {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh yes .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah the dUser Interface: Additional feature on the back is that you can have your owncustomised backing and I suppose you could do the same thing on the flip case on the front . So that youcan really make this a highly highly customisable remote control .Industrial Designer: We haven't um uhspecified where the speaker or the microphone will be placed . That depends on the uh s design of thecircuit board inside and uh what room is left um {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Ithink the microphone is on on the top , uh on the middle , the {disfmarker} under the flip .IndustrialDesigner: Yes , okay . Uh-huh .Project Manager: So that will be the safe , so p any {disfmarker} the chip{disfmarker} it's not on the chip because you need to have microphone {gap} to {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: No , I mean it depends on the design of the circuit board .Project Manager: Yes .UserInterface: But it shouldn't be under the flip either , because you can have the remote control closed , butyou still might want to activate it by voice .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh it's it's {disfmarker} Yeah ,but uh uh my opinion I think it's better under the flip because whenever you want to uh the talk , okay ,so then you can speak then you can close it . But if you put it on the on the flip , okay , then uh technical


Project Manager: Well hi everyone again .User Interface: Hello .Industrial Designer: Hello .Marketing:HelloProject Manager: Um {vocalsound} like before we uh {disfmarker} I have to redo the meetings from{vocalsound} {disfmarker} n th the minutes from the last meetingMarketing: Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: and so here we go . Uh it was discussed in the last meeting uh which was opened by thepresentation from the interface um designer {vocalsound} that uh looks would be very important on thisnew remoteUser Interface: Designer . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: and um itis to send messages of course to the T_V_ . It should have nine channel buttons , a next button , volumebuttons , subtitle buttons , switch to control features , colour contrast , sharpness etcetera . It shouldhave a memory switch , a mute button in case the telephone rings or something . Uh speech recognitionis one of her very f favourite personal uh features she would like see d d to be integrated in this um inthis new remote . Um . {vocalsound} Should be child friendly design with few buttons , colourful maybewith s star shaped or other shaped buttons . Um she uh presented also an oversized remote which sheguarantees nobody will ever be able to lose .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um{disfmarker}Marketing: And she was challenged on that point {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} that's right . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Yes . {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Project Manager: But uh her very f personal favourite really she , she would verymuch like to see a speech recogniser integrated in this remote . The industrial designer um presented heruh {vocalsound} thoughts on the issue . She would like a special case made out of plastic that is verystrong , not using any harmful materials , should be recyclable and should be colourful . Should have anintegrated circuit board that's highly sophisticated and temperature resistant . She would like to see atimer and or alarm facility integrated . Uh technically this thing would also have a resistor and a capacitor, diode transistor , resonator , and if possible a rechargeable battery . Uh and of course a circuit board .And how it would works , you press the button , the chip is morse {disfmarker} morse code related relaysthe {disfmarker} uh to the generat to the generator amplification and uh the circuit board is veryinexpensive to build and so she thinks this is a great feature uh to to to consider .Marketing: Okay.Project Manager: She would like uh {disfmarker} this whole thing should be push buttons with a simplechip uh scrolling method is more expensive and not that practical anymore . Should be battery operatedand of course she would have the special cases . The marketing expert uh who has to finally come upwith {disfmarker} to to to market this product has been watching the competition , has done someresearch on the internet and also has used h her personal observations to come up with the fact that sucha remote sh should be small , easy to use and it should be eye catching . From her point of view of courseone of the most important facts is that we should get to market before our competition does . To do thatuh maybe one or two features should be developed on which we could dwell on or in other words onwhich our campaign could be built on . Too many new features or too many points would only confusematter . So we prefer to have one or two features that can be really uh driven home . Um it should havea fruit and vegetable design and should have a soft feel . She feels that's really what people want today .And the decision that we took last time was that uh the special feature we would like to see is a speechrecogniser , the energy should be battery uh should be on a chip , should be trendy design , compact andstrong , and should have buttons . And that concludes the presentation from the last minutes{disfmarker} from the last meeting . Now uh we are ready for the presentation of the prototype .UserInterface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Just the look like , the button part I'll explain.Industrial Designer: Yeah . Uh so this is our {disfmarker} what uh we have made . This is a model of theremote control which we are going to build .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Uh this is usin a snail shape so uh it it is attractiveMarketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: um and it's{disfmarker} it's blue in colour uh bright and uh it has yellow buttons and all the different colourbuttonsMarketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: so it is a {disfmarker} uh uh a {disfmarker}looks-wise it is beautiful .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Uh and also compact in shape.Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Uh um and also i it it will be easily fit into {disfmarker} into


Industrial Designer: Now what .Project Manager: 'Kay , hello everybody . Uh , I guess you all know whatis it about , you all received the email , I guess . Uh , we are actually doing this meeting to start a newproject which is about designing a remote control . So I'm going to be the project manager of this uhproject . And uh so I'm {disfmarker} present myself . I'm Fabien Cardinaux and uh I I guess you canpresent yourself . So I dunno , you can starts .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay ,so my name is Petre {gap} . You can call me Petre {gap} , or Peter if you like . I don't care {gap}.Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Uh my name's Bob Mor .Project Manager: And you are ? In theproject ?Industrial Designer: Uh , in the project I'm supposed to be the technic .Marketing: Oh , sorry.Project Manager: {gap}Marketing: 'Kay . So my name's Bob Morris . I'm the Marketing Expert for thisproject .Industrial Designer: Bob ,Marketing: Bob yeah .Industrial Designer: okay .User Interface: Myname is Hamed Getabdar , and uh I'm going to be Interface Designer in this project .Industrial Designer:Okay .Project Manager: So , uh , so today we are doing a short meeting to present the project , so umWe are gooding we are going to present the tool we are {vocalsound} we are going to use during all thisproject . We are talking about the project plan , and we are going to to discuss about st our first ideasand so on , and , yeah . So we have around twenty five minutes to do this meeting . Um . So what is thegoal of this project ? Is to design a new remote control . So it should be , of course , new and original ,and um it should be trendy , and user friendly . That mean it's a very challenging project , and uh uh . Sow it's {disfmarker} we will try to do our best , and hopefully come with something very new and thatpeople want to buy . So , um {disfmarker} So what's uh what are we going to do during this all thisproject ? So it's more like we are going to do inv individual work all in o in o our specialities and we aregoing to meet each other quite often to discuss and to find a good way . Um . Yeah and everything is{disfmarker} will be like this . Um so now we are going to to get used t to to the tools we are going touse all {disfmarker} during all this project . So we can try to use uh the whiteboard here . So {gap} uh.Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: For example we can try to write what is our our favouriteanimal and write the f our favourite characteristics about it . Mm . Uh {vocalsound} . So uh {disfmarker}{gap} So I will ask you all to do the same .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: Just to get usedto the whiteboard .Industrial Designer: So probably I would try to try to draw the animal . Well sh shouldI draw the picture of the animal ?Project Manager: Yeah , yeah , you can draw the picture , of course{vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: I I th I think I should .Marketing: Yeah go ahead .Industrial Designer:Okay , so . Um {vocalsound} . Okay , American , um . Um . I would use the bird . So I tried to sketch itout . I had to first uh write it down because I am not absolutely sure if I can draw it , but ah . Can yourecognise it {vocalsound} as a bird ?Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Okay {vocalsound} it's your turn to {disfmarker}Marketing: Okay , okay . {vocalsound} So Ithink my favourite animal would be a c a cat .Project Manager: Oh .Marketing: That's its head .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Um I probably like cats the mostbecause they're cuddly and furry and uh playful .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{gap}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay .User Interface: I dunno if I should go with this{gap} {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: Oh it's okay .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Thanks. {vocalsound}User Interface: If it is enough line .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} {vocalsound} Maybe put it upUser Interface: {vocalsound} I'm sorry .{vocalsound}Marketing: {disfmarker} Put it a Maybe put it on the desk or something .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I should get used to the tool , so.Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Oh justwait {gap} a little bit . C could we put it here , to make it as straight as possible ?User Interface:{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Ahprobably not .User Interface: {vocalsound} They should be remote .Marketing: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Okay , it {disfmarker} it works like this .Marketing: Uh , that's better .User Interface: Okay ,thanks .Marketing: Your lapel microphone's fallen off .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:


PhD E: Yeah .Professor B: Um , so . If we can't , we can't . But uh we 're gonna try to make this anabbreviated meeting cuz the {disfmarker} the next {disfmarker} next occupants were pushing for it , so. Um . So . Agenda is {disfmarker} according to this , is transcription status , DARPA demos XML tools ,disks , backups , et cetera andGrad H: Does anyone have anything to {pause} add to the agenda?Professor B: OK . Should we just go in order ? Transcription status ? Who 's {disfmarker} that 'sprobably you .Postdoc A: I can do that quickly . Um I hired several more transcribers , They 're makinggreat progress .Professor B: Seven ?Postdoc A: Seve - several , several .Professor B: Oh .Postdoc A: Anduh {disfmarker} and uh , uh I 've been uh finishing up the uh double checking . I hoped to have had thatdone by today but it 's gonna take one more week .Grad H: UmPhD D: I gGrad H: as a somewhat segueinto the next topic , um could I get a hold of uh the data even if it 's not really corrected yet just so I canget the data formats and make sure the information retrieval stuff is working ?Postdoc A: Certainly . YeahI mean , it 's in the same place it 's been .Grad H: So can you just {disfmarker} Oh , it is .Postdoc A: Uh -huh . No change .Grad H: OK . Just {disfmarker} So , " transcripts " is the sub - directory ?Postdoc A: Uh{disfmarker} Yes . Uh - huh .Grad H: OK . So I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll probably just make some copies ofthose rather than use the ones that are there .Postdoc A: OK .Grad H: Um and then just {disfmarker} we'll have to remember to delete them once the corrections are made .Postdoc A: OK .Professor B: OK ,whPhD D: I also got anot a short remark to the transcription . I 've uh just processed the first five EDUmeetings and they are chunked up so they would {disfmarker} they probably can be sent to IBMwhenever they want them .Grad C: Cool .PhD F: Well the second one of thosePhD D: Yep . It 's already atIBM ,PhD F: is already at IBM .PhD D: but the other ones {disfmarker}PhD F: That 's the one that{pause} we 're waiting to hear from them on .PhD D: Yeah . Yeah .Postdoc A: OK .PhD F: Yeah .PostdocA: These are separate from the ones that {disfmarker}PhD F: As soon as {disfmarker}Postdoc A: I mean, these are {disfmarker}PhD F: They 're the IBM set .PhD D: Yep .Grad H: It 's this one .Postdoc A:Excellent . Good .PhD F: Yeah . And so as soon as we hear from Brian that this one is OKGrad H: Is mymike on ? Yeah .PhD F: and we get the transcript back and we find out that hopefully there are noproblems matching up the transcript with what we gave them , then uh we 'll be ready to go and we 'lljust send them the next four as a big batch ,Postdoc A: Excellent .PhD F: and let them work on that .GradH: And so we 're doing those as disjoint from the ones we 're transcribing here ?PhD F: Yes , exactly.Grad H: OK , good .PhD F: We 're sort of doing things in parallel , that way we can get as much done aat once .Grad H: Yeah , I think that 's the right way to do it ,PhD F: Yeah .Grad H: especially for theinformation retrieval stuff . Anything else on transcription status ?Postdoc A: Hm - mmm .Grad H: OK.Professor B: DARPA demos , we had the submeeting the other day .Grad H: Right , which uh{disfmarker} So I 've been working on using the THISL tools to do information retrieval on meeting dataand the THISL tools are {disfmarker} there 're two sets , there 's a back - end and a front - end , so thefront - end is the user interface and the back - end is the indexing tool and the querying tool . And so I've written some tools to convert everything into the right for file formats . And the command line versionof the indexing and the querying is now working . So at least on the one meeting that I had the transcriptfor uh conveniently you can now do information retrieval on it , do {disfmarker} type in a {disfmarker} astring and get back a list of start - end times for the meeting ,PhD F: What {disfmarker} what kind of uh{disfmarker} what does that look like ? The string that you type in .Grad H: uh of hits .PhD F: What areyou {disfmarker} are you {disfmarker} are they keywords , or are they {disfmarker} ?Grad H: Keywords.PhD F: OK . I see .Grad H: Right ? And so {disfmarker} and then it munges it to pass it to the THISL IRwhich uses an SGML - like format for everything .PhD F: I see .Professor B: And then does it playsomething back or that 's something you 're having to program ?Grad H: Um , right now , I have a toolthat will do that on a command line using our standard tools ,Professor B: Yeah .Grad H: but my intentionis to do a prettier user interface based either {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} so that 's the other thing Iwanted to discuss , is well what should we do for the user interface ? We have two tools that have alreadybeen written . Um the SoftSound guys did a web - based one ,Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad H: um ,


Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and EducationCommittee this morning. We've received no apologies for absence. Can I ask if there are any declarationsof interest from Members, please? No. Okay, thank you. Item 2 this morning is the Children (Abolition ofDefence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill: Stage 2 proceedings. I'm pleased to welcome JulieMorgan AM, Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services; Karen Cornish, deputy director, children andfamilies division at Welsh Government; and Emma Gammon, lawyer for Welsh Government. Thank youfor attending this morning and welcome to the committee. I'm just going to run through the proceduresthat we're going to follow now. As I said, the purpose of the meeting is to undertake Stage 2 proceedingson the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill. For these proceedings,Members should have copies of the marshalled list of amendments, the groupings of the amendments fordebate and the voting order for the amendments. The marshalled list of amendments is the list of allamendments tabled, marshalled into the order in which the sections appear in the Bill. The order in whichwe consider amendments will be the default order—that is, sections 1 to 3 and the long title. You will seefrom the groupings list that amendments have been grouped to facilitate debate. However, the order inwhich they're called and moved for decision is dictated by the marshalled list. Members will, therefore,need to follow the two papers, although I will advise Members when I call them whether they're beingcalled to speak in the debate or to move their amendments for a decision. There will be one debate oneach group of amendments. Members who wish to speak in a particular group should indicate to me inthe usual way. I will call the Deputy Minister to speak on each group. For the record, in accordance withthe convention agreed by the Business Committee, as Chair I will move amendments in the name of theDeputy Minister. For expediency, I will assume that the Deputy Minister wishes me to move all of heramendments, and I will do so at the appropriate place in the marshalled list. Deputy Minister, if you donot want a particular amendment to be moved, please indicate to me at the relevant point inproceedings. In line with our usual practice, legal advisers to the committee and the Deputy Minister arenot expected to provide advice on the record. If Members wish to seek legal advice during proceedings,please do so by passing a note to the legal adviser and, if necessary, we can adjourn. My intention is totry to dispose of all amendments during today's meeting. I will call a short break in proceedings at anappropriate time, if necessary. Okay, thank you. So, we will proceed, then, to group 1, which is the dutyto promote public awareness. The lead amendment in the group is amendment 1 in the name of theDeputy Minister. I move amendment 1 in the Deputy Minister's name and call on the Deputy Minister tospeak to her amendment and the other amendments in this group.Julie Morgan AM: Thank you verymuch, Chair. My amendments 1 and 4 will place a duty on Welsh Ministers to provide information andincrease awareness about the change in the law to ensure that the public are made aware of how the lawwill change as a result of the defence of reasonable punishment being abolished and that physicalpunishment would be prohibited once the Act commences. I tabled these amendments in response to thiscommittee's recommendation—this was a recommendation from this committee in the Stage 1 report, soI have responded to that. I've already made a commitment to a high-intensity awareness-raisingcampaign over approximately six years from Royal Assent, should the Bill be passed. I've consideredamendments 1A to 1E, which have been tabled by Janet Finch-Saunders, and which relate to the duty toraise awareness. Amendment 1A introduces a reference to public understanding. We don't think, actually,that this adds anything to the Government amendment, which already mentions awareness. It makes theawareness-raising duty open-ended with no time limit, which is not necessary. By commencement,messaging around the change in the law will be embedded. The awareness-raising campaign will continuefor a number of years. Therefore, an ongoing duty referring specifically to the law change would not berequired. I understand, of course, that the awareness-raising campaign needs to be comprehensive, wellplanned and to reach out to all those people and all those communities who need to be aware of the lawchange, and understand how to respond to it. But I don't think it's helpful or necessary to highlightspecific groups, such as visitors to Wales, on the face of the Bill—that's the approach taken in


Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay . Oh I totally {disfmarker} Yeah 'cause I moved it . {vocalsound} 'S put itover here . Then we don't have to worry about it .User Interface: {vocalsound} Ready for this ?ProjectManager: All set ? Cool . Alright , it is PowerPoint time . I've done more PowerPoints in this particularexperiment than I've ever done in my life before this experiment {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Yeah {vocalsound} .Project Manager: which is kind of fun .User Interface: {vocalsound}Oh man . {vocalsound}Project Manager: So uh here we have our detailed design meeting where we willum look at the prototype and um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} right so um , I finally figured out what thiswhole second bullet point is about in my {disfmarker} that my coach was sending to me . It means I'msupposed to read the minutes from the previous meeting .Industrial Designer: Oh really ?ProjectManager: I think . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing: Huh .Project Manager: I don'tknow . Otherwise it's just saying I'm the secretaryMarketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}ProjectManager: and I'm {disfmarker} therefore I'm taking the minutes , s so just to go um {vocalsound} justreal briefly to go over minutes from last meeting , uh , I will open them slowly , no ? Wait for it , wait forit . {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah that's not you . {vocalsound}Project Manager: No . That's how the{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Wait .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: This is , this is very high-powered stuff here , double-clicking , there wego . So um basically the moral of the story from our last minute uh {disfmarker} last meeting was that{vocalsound} um we that we had meetings from {disfmarker} uh we had presentations done by theIndustrial Designer , uh or from Nathan , and Ron and from Sarah about what we can do here um andwhat sort of limitations we're operating with um {disfmarker} uh excuse me what limitations we'reoperating under , what kind of risk we'd be looking at with some of the various approaches we werediscussing and we essentially came to the conclusion that we should develop a remote with uh voicerecognition , I_E_ that had a vaguely non-remote like shape um because you didn't really need to use itas a remote since you could just use your voice . That would include some {disfmarker} mostly just thesimple design features for a television operation but with a slide or a fold-out bay for more advancedfunctions for users . Um , and uh the uh uh the U_I_D_ and the I_D_ were asked to go ahead and startdeveloping a prototype for us to look at . {vocalsound} So . That's sorted , back to the main{vocalsound} meet here , um , go ahead and take it away guys .Industrial Designer: Well . Uh , we haveassembled our prototype , um . What's to be said about it ? Um , we took into account a lot of the thingsthat we went over in the last meeting , um . Some of the most important things to consider are that wedecided not to go for the touch screen which you can seeProject Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer:and opted for some very large buttons for the primary functions , um . This is going to be the on offbuttonProject Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and we have these buttons to gothrough the channels um and then two volume buttons down here , d uh we decided those were the mostimportant uh buttons . And then , for the more advanced uh functions there is a slide out panel here umand you can see that there are lots of other things going on . But this actually can slide back in andprovides a very nice aesthetic when it's all put away , um . As far as the uh whole visible light thing , wedecided to go with the multiple colours coming out ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Ah .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Nice . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: why not?Marketing: {vocalsound} Fair enough .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Of course , ifthat's annoying for some people that function can be turned off . Um .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Perfect .Industrial Designer: Go ahead .User Interface: No it's important to {vocalsound} we talked aquite a bit about uh you know the the interchangeable uh faces and what we've done here is come upwith a bit of a natural look hereMarketing: Mm .User Interface: um f we call it fruityMarketing: Right.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: if you will . Um . Right , um ,Marketing: Appropriate ,okay .User Interface: of course that's uh interchangeableIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}UserInterface: and uh I think it would be desirable for the uh for the regular product in the in the in the in thefirst packaging to be something a little bit more subduedMarketing: Mm 'kay .User Interface: but this is


Grad A: OK , we 're recording .Professor F: We can say the word " zero " all we want ,PhD G: I 'm doingsomeProfessor F: but just {disfmarker}PhD G: square brackets , coffee sipping , square brackets .PhD B:That 's not allowed , I think .Postdoc C: Cur - curly brackets .Grad E: Is that voiced or unvoiced ?Grad A:Curly brackets .PhD B: Curly brackets .Professor F: Curly brackets .Grad A: Right .PhD B: Oops .ProfessorF: Well , correction for transcribers .PhD G: Mmm ! {comment} {vocalsound} Gar - darn !Professor F:Yeah .Postdoc C: Channel two .Grad A: Do we use square brackets for anything ?Postdoc C: Yeah . Uh{disfmarker}Grad E: These poor transcribers .Professor F: uPostdoc C: Not ri not right now . I mean{disfmarker} No .PhD D: There 's gonna be some zeros from this morning 's meeting because I noticedthatProfessor F: uPhD D: Barry , I think maybe you turned your mike off before the digits were{disfmarker} Oh , was it during digits ? Oh , so it doesn't matter .Professor F: Yeah .Grad A: It 's still nota good idea .PhD B: So it 's not {disfmarker} it 's not that bad if it 's at the end , but it 's {disfmarker} inthe beginning , it 's {pause} bad .PhD D: Yeah . Yeah .Grad A: Yeah , you wanna {disfmarker} youwanna keep them on so you get {pause} good noise {disfmarker} noise floors , through the wholemeeting .Postdoc C: That 's interesting . Hmm .Professor F: Uh , I probably just should have left it on .Yeah I did have to run , but {disfmarker}Grad E: Is there any way to change that in the software ?GradA: Change what in the software ?Grad E: Where like you just don't {disfmarker} like if you {disfmarker}if it starts catching zeros , like in the driver or something {disfmarker} in the card , or somewhere in thehardware {disfmarker} Where if you start seeing zeros on w across one channel , you just add some{vocalsound} random , @ @ {comment} noise floor {disfmarker} like a small noise floor .Grad A: I meancertainly we could do that , but I don't think that 's a good idea . We can do that in post - processing if{disfmarker} if the application needs it .Grad E: Yeah .PhD B: Manual post - processing .Professor F: Well, I {disfmarker} u I actually don't know what the default {comment} is anymore as to how we 're usingthe {disfmarker} the front - end stuff but {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} when we usethe ICSI front - end ,Grad A: As an argument .Professor F: but um , there is an {disfmarker} there is ano an option in {disfmarker} in RASTA , which , um , {vocalsound} in when I first put it in , uh , back inthe days when I actually wrote things , uh , {vocalsound} I {pause} did actually put in a random bit or sothat was in it ,Grad E: OK .Professor F: but {vocalsound} then I realized that putting in a random bit wasequivalent to adding uh {disfmarker} adding flat spectrum ,Grad E: Right .Professor F: and it was a lotfaster to just add a constant to the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to the spectrum . So then I just starteddoing thatGrad E: Mmm . OK .Professor F: instead of calling " rand " {comment} or something ,Grad E:Right .Professor F: so . So it d it does that . Gee ! Here we all are !Grad A: Uh , so the only agenda itemswere Jane {disfmarker} was Jane wanted to talk about some of the IBM transcription process .ProfessorF: There 's an agenda ?Grad A: I sort of {vocalsound} condensed the three things you said into that .And then just {disfmarker} I only have like , this afternoon and maybe tomorrow morning to getanything done before I go to Japan for ten days . So if there 's anything that n absolutely , desperatelyneeds to be done , you should let me know now .Professor F: Uh , and you just sent off a Eurospeechpaper , so .PhD G: Right . I hope they accept it .Professor F: Right .PhD G: I mean , I {disfmarker} bothactu as {disfmarker} as a submission and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you know , as a paper . Um{disfmarker} but {disfmarker}Grad A: Well yeah , you sent it in {pause} late .Professor F: Yeah , I guessyou {disfmarker} first you have to do the first one ,Grad A: Yeah .Professor F: and then {disfmarker}Yeah .PhD G: We actually exceeded the delayed deadline by o another day , so .PhD B: Oops .ProfessorF: Oh they {disfmarker} they had some extension that they announced or something ?PhD G: Well yeah .Liz had sent them a note saying " could we please {pause} have another " {comment} {pause} I don'tknow , " three days " or something , and they said yes .PhD D: And then she said " Did I say three ?GradA: Oh ,PhD D: I meant four . "Grad A: that was the other thing uh ,PhD G: But uGrad A: uh , DaveGelbart sent me email , I think he sent it to you too , {comment} that um , there 's a special topic ,section in si in Eurospeech on new , corp corpors corpora . And it 's not due until like May fifteenth.Professor F: Oh this isn't the Aurora one ?Grad A: No .Professor F: It 's another one ?Grad A: It 's a


The Acting Chair (Mr. Bruce Stanton (Simcoe North, CPC)): Honourable members, I call this meeting toorder. Welcome to the 15thmeeting of the House of Commons Special Committee on the COVID-19Pandemic. This will be a hybrid meeting. Members will be participating via video conference or inperson.  I will remind you that in order to avoid issues with sound, members participating in personshould not also be connecting by video conference. In order to ensure that those joining the meeting viavideo conference can be seen and heard by those in the chamber, two screens have been set up here oneither side of the Speaker's chair, and members in the chamber can listen to the floor audio or tointerpretation using the earpieces on their desks. Before speaking, please wait until I recognize you byname and please direct your remarks through the chair. For those joining by video conference, I'd like toremind you to leave your microphones on mute when you are not speaking. Also, please note that if youwant to speak in English, you need to be on the English channel for interpretation, and if you want tospeak French, you should do so on the French channel. Should you wish to alternate between the twolanguages, please change to the channel for the language that you happen to be using at the time.Should members participating by video conference need to request the floor outside their designatedspeaking times, they should activate their mic and state that they have a point of order. Those in theChamber can rise in the usual way. Please note that today's proceedings will be televised in the sameway as a typical sitting of the House. We will now proceed to ministerial announcements. I invite theRight Hon. Prime Minister to take the floor.Right Hon. Justin Trudeau (Papineau, Lib.): Thank you,Mr.Chair. I rise today to address what so many people of colour live with every day. Over the past fewdays, we've seen horrific reports of police violence against black men and women south of the border, butthese are not isolated incidents or elsewhere problems. Prejudice, discrimination and violence are a livedreality for far too many people. They are a result of systems that far too often condone, normalize,perpetrate and perpetuate inequality and injustice against people of colour. As a country, we are notconcerned bystanders simply watching what is happening next door. We are part of it. The calls forjustice, for equality and for peace are found echoed in our communities, because anti-black racism ishappening here, everywhere in Canada, every single day. This is something that our own staff, cabinetministers and colleagues face even in these halls. Over the past few days, I've heard many of thesepersonal stories directly from them. I'm not just talking about acts of violence. I'm also talking aboutmicroaggressions, which many of us may not even see. That is the daily reality of far too many racializedCanadians, and it needs to stop. When it comes to being an ally, I have made serious mistakes in thepast, mistakes that I deeply regret and continue to learn from. I want to thank my colleagues,community leaders and fellow Canadians for opening my eyes to what is really going on in ourcommunities and for helping me better understand both privilege and power. I'm not perfect, but notbeing perfect is not a free pass to not do the right thing. It's not an excuse to not step up, stand up foreach other, be an ally. I know that for so many people listening right now, the last thing you want to hearis another speech on racism from a white politician. I'm not here today to describe a reality I do not knowor to speak to a pain I have not felt. I'm here because I want you to know that our government islistening. We hear your calls for justice, equality and accountability. We acknowledge your frustration,your anger, your heartbreak. We see you.  Since coming to office, our government has taken manyconcrete steps to fight anti-black racism, systemic discrimination and injustice across the country. We areworking directly with the communities and their leaders to close the gaps that persist in Canada. Forexample, we have provided $9million to support programs for black Canadian youth. We have madesignificant investments to enable the Public Health Agency of Canada to provide more mental healthservices to people who have experienced racism or intergenerational trauma. We are helping communityorganizations to obtain funding to purchase equipment or lease space. We have also created theanti-racism secretariat, which has an envelope of $4.6million, to address systemic barriers, such asemployment, justice and social participation, that perpetuate injustice. We have made progress, but weknow the work is far from being done.  Over the past five years, our government has worked with


Project Manager: So we come to the third meetings . I have {gap} good .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Um so in the last meeting we have discussed the functional design andnow we will talk about the conceptual design . So we will talk about some specific details .IndustrialDesigner: Okay so I think I will do my presentation on the components concept so can you please uhopen uh {disfmarker} I'm participant two .Project Manager: This {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:Components design .Project Manager: {gap}Industrial Designer: Okay so uh the first thing uh I havedone is to to made a review together with the uh manufactural uh department and have whichcomponents was uh available to build a remote control . So for energy sources we have we have tochoose between the solar energy , hand dynamo and uh kinetic um well uh kinetic uh technique{vocalsound} to to store the energy .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: We also um {vocalsound} we also can put a regular battery in the in the remote control . Now{disfmarker}Project Manager: Uh this is what we have decided in the last meeting . But if we use battery{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah b uh f well uh I meant uh by by battery I meant uh I will not havea uh a wire between the remote control and the energy source but uh I didn't fou we didn't decide yetwhich kind of battery we will put inside the the remote . So uh it's a point to discuss . Then uh the casematerial we have uh uh also several choices , like wood , rubber , titanium or latex . {vocalsound} But uhwell it's not a a re uh well a real issue for the {vocalsound} {disfmarker} from the technical uh point ofview . Concerning the interface uh we can we can put mm just simple buttons or scrolls or buttons uhmuch more complicated , but it also requires that the chip to process the button is more complicated so.User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} And uh this is the last point , the choice of chips .So what I have f found is that I think basic battery or kinetic uh energy uh collection is the is the betterway to provide energy because I think solar energy wi won't work {vocalsound} in a cluttered uh{vocalsound} uh environment .User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer: So um so I think we can startwith these two main things . For the case uh well uh I think that uh titanium is um is a good choicebecause it's trendy and it's uh it's uh well it's modern and uh user are are are {disfmarker} mm will be uhvery happy to have a {vocalsound} a a nice remote . For the interface uh I think that we can ach achieveuh all the desired functionalities by s just uh using uh rubber buttons , simple buttons and th thus thisallow to use a regular chip {vocalsound} that are uh well cheaper . {vocalsound}User Interface: Mm.Industrial Designer: And s so uh we can move to the next slide .User Interface: Sorry .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .User Interface: What is this single curved {disfmarker} what does it mean ?IndustrialDesigner: Well uh uh i i it's uh it's the the shape of the um of the remote .User Interface: So it's it's not{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: You you will have the {disfmarker} well um the the curve will fit intoyour hand when you grab the {disfmarker}User Interface: Yo l yeah . When you hold on it , it iscomfortable to hold .Industrial Designer: Yeah . It's more confog f comfortable that if these uh it'scompletely flat .User Interface: Okay . Yeah . And the battery , is it kind of a rechargeable or it doesn'tmatter ?Industrial Designer: Yeah the um that's the point . The kinetic one is uh y you can recharge uhby the um {disfmarker}User Interface: That that's what it means by kinetic .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Yeah and by {disfmarker} well by just by moving the ar uh your arm the mm well theremote will uh accumulate energy .User Interface: Okay . Mm-hmm . Okay .Industrial Designer: But I d Idon't know it's {disfmarker} if it is feasible because I don't know if yet if if the user will move enough toprovide the remote um all the necessary energy .User Interface: Mm . {vocalsound} Mm . Okay . Yeah .Yeah . We we might check with our R_ and D_ department to see if they have this product {vocalsound}ready for market . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound} And {disfmarker} yeah and socan you go to the next slide please . So and uh that's uh that summarize well what I have said .UserInterface: Mm mm . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} WhaIndustrial Designer: So uh you're right we can uhsee in our uh R_ and D_ uh {vocalsound} if the kinetic metal is sufficient to provide enough energy .UserInterface: Ah the department . Mm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} That's it .User Interface: Uh{disfmarker} So I um keep in touch with the R_ and D_ department .Industrial Designer: Oh yeahUser


Project Manager: Okay , welcome to the detailed design meeting . Again , I'm gonna take minutes . Oh ,we're gonna have a prototype presentation first .User Interface: {gap}Project Manager: Uh , who's gonnagive the prototype presentation ? You two guys ? Okay . Go ahead .Industrial Designer: Yes .{vocalsound} {gap}User Interface: {gap} .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {gap} .{vocalsound}User Interface: {gap} coffee .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: 'Kay , we'vemade a prototype . Um , we've got uh {vocalsound} uh our aspects from the last meeting . Uh ,especially we looked at the form , material and the colour . Um , we've uh drawn here the p prototype .The logo is uh is uh {vocalsound} is pretty uh {vocalsound} obvious to see on the on the remote control,User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: but it is necessary when you want tobuild your uh company f to a level higher . Um , {vocalsound} our interface elements , there are shownin the in the drawing . Maybe you can uh point them uh {disfmarker} The functions .User Interface: Uh ,well the uh {disfmarker} all the functions are discussed uh {disfmarker} I think the most of the functionsare uh uh obvious . Uh , it's a little bit . Uh , power button . Uh then the the the nine uh channels .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Uh the volume uh uh at the side , and the other side is theprogrammes . And then we had uh just uh two buttons , we place them in the middle , uh the menu , andfor the teletextProject Manager: Oh no , the the the mute button misses now .User Interface:{vocalsound} {disfmarker} I thought that was thMarketing: Alright , I {disfmarker}Project Manager: Doy do you {disfmarker}User Interface: Oh , the mute button .Project Manager: did we want to have a mmute button ?Industrial Designer: But uh that {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: It's uhhere then , in the middle .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Huh .Marketing: Alright , and uh yougotta point out which is the volume um uh button and which is the programme button .IndustrialDesigner: Yes , umUser Interface: {vocalsound} Well , yeah mo uh moIndustrial Designer: we'vediscUser Interface: Yeah , well most of them are right-handed .Industrial Designer: Most of theusersMarketing: Yeah , but you you gotta make it clear on the {disfmarker} on {disfmarker}UserInterface: Yeah well , I don't have time in uh anymore on the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yes , ythere there will be a p a little a little P_ on that and a little uh {disfmarker} yeah .Marketing: Yeah , and aand a triangle on that .User Interface: Oh yeah , just progr programme above , I think .Marketing: Yes .Next to that I kinda miss a zero actually .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Wait , there's {disfmarker} was one thing I wanted to ask .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh , there are different ways for remote controls to uh {vocalsound} douh likeMarketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: uh d I call it teens and twenties . Uh , y th th th the twonumbers .Industrial Designer: Yes .Marketing: All n no , that's um {vocalsound} kinda dependent on thetelevision .User Interface: Yeah , true , yeah .Industrial Designer: It's a television . Yes .Project Manager:Yeah , but do we have {disfmarker} do we need extra buttons ,User Interface: Uh {disfmarker}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} for example some uh some have to {disfmarker}User Interface: Uh I think so.Marketing: I think {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yes , yes , you have you have a lot of standardbuttons that has to be uh on it , uh th with the one and a double uh uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah , Ithink you should add {disfmarker} {vocalsound}User Interface: Zero ?Marketing: A cross , or whatever .Yeah , line .Project Manager: Yeah , but you don't you don't actually need them ,User Interface: Maymaybe here ?Industrial Designer: yes .Project Manager: becau b l a lot of remote controls work that ywhen y that you when you fir you push the one first , then you have a couple of seconds{disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah . And then a second .Marketing: No , that's dependent on the television.Project Manager: No , I don't think so .Industrial Designer: Yes , you have televisions , then you have to, you know , you have to uh press {disfmarker}Marketing: I do know so .User Interface: Is it dependingon television ?Project Manager: Nah , I don't think so really ,Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: becauseyou have a {disfmarker} I know some remote controls that don't have these buttons , but you still can ,know , obviously you can still select the twenty {disfmarker} uh a number in the twenty or in the ten