Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . Good morning everybody .Industrial Designer: Good morning.Project Manager: Oh , everybody is not ready .User Interface: Uh almost .Project Manager: Alright .UserInterface: Ready .Project Manager: Okay , let's go . So , we're here today to to have our first kick-offmeeting about uh this new project we're going to tak to talk about in a few minutes . Um so I will be uhSebastian the Project Manager . Um you are the {disfmarker}User Interface: I'm uh Michael . I'm theuser interface designer .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Hi I'm Guillermo {gap} . I'm the MarketingExpert .Industrial Designer: And I am Hemant , the industrial designer .Project Manager: Okay , verygood . Thanks for being here . Um so let's have a look to the the agenda . So , we are going to gothrough this agenda uh and mainly first to uh {vocalsound} to make {disfmarker} to to be used to thetools uh available in this nice and smart meeting room we have here . Um then we'll go to uh the plansfor project and have general discussions about it . So , the goal of this project is to uh developed a newremote control . Um it should be original , trendy , and also user friendly . As usual we will follow the theproject method um {vocalsound} that we are using in the {disfmarker} in our company . It is in threestep as you know . First the functional design . The second's a conceptual design , and then the detaileddesign . During each step uh of each design we wi you will work uh s separately , individually on uh yourspecific tasks and will m we will meet to um to discuss and take decisions about uh what you've you'veyou did and what uh we will do next . So first , we have to to train ourself with all the um the toolsavailables in the in this nice meeting room and uh particularly the the white board so uh we are going togo through the white board and take some um s some notes or do some drawings . So who want to start? Mister {gap} .User Interface: Ah well if no one else wants to , yeah . Okay so , want me to draw myfavourite animal .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Let's see . Well , I don'treally have a favourite animal , but umProject Manager: You have one in mind ?User Interface: uh I thinkI have one in mind , so uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I'm gonna {vocalsound} {gap} about the uhspider because you can actually draw it pretty well in the corner of a white board . The spider has a{disfmarker} spider lives in a web {vocalsound} and uh it has eight legs , and uh it can move all aboutthe web in two dimensions . Unless it's a three dimensional web which y they have sometimes . There aresome spiders that live in like {disfmarker} that have like uh kind of a a big ball of a of a web . And uh theother thing is some spiders can actually uh fly like uh they have uh they let out like uh a stream of likethe web building material but it's it acts like a parachute so they can actually kind of go and find new uh{disfmarker} build a new web somewhere else . So I think they did this in uh in Charlotte's Web thatmovie that little uh {disfmarker} well it's actually a book first but uh um at the end all the the spiderskinda flew away .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: So , that's my animal .Project Manager: Ththank you . Very interesting . {vocalsound} Guillermo you want to ?Marketing: {vocalsound} 'kay{vocalsound} I dunno why , but {vocalsound} when I was a child I I wanted to be a a pantherProjectManager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} not a pink panther ,Industrial Designer: But don't youthink it's very difficult to draw a panther ?Marketing: or maybe yes .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Itwould be very funny for us .Marketing: Uh yeah yeah .Industrial Designer: So bad I don't like it .{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay it'sa friendly panther .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Maybeit's happy 'cause it just ate someone .Marketing: Yeah maybe {vocalsound} .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: Um . Actually , honestly I I I dunno what's what's his it's be behaviour , I dunnoif if it's the male who who hunts or it's the female uh , I I I have watched that lions di didn't hunt it's thethe female lions who who hunt , so {disfmarker} but {vocalsound} I like it because it's fast , and it'sblack as well , so it can he {disfmarker} it can hide itself very easily and it's it's {disfmarker} it looks likeum {vocalsound} powerful , strong , uh I dunno . I I watch a a film about a black panther when I was achild and {vocalsound} I was in that age when everything was shocking me a lot . {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . Thank you .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Hemant.Industrial Designer: Um sure .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: So you don't like pink


Project Manager: Okay . Um welcome to our second meeting . This is the functional design meeting . AndI hope you all had a good individual working time . Okay , let's get started . Okay , here's the agenda forthe meeting . After the opening um I am going to fulfil the role of secretary , take the meeting minutes .And we're gonna have three presentations , one from each of you . Then we're gonna discuss some newproject requirements . Um gonna come to a decision on the functions of the remote control . And thenwe're gonna close up the meeting . And we're gonna do this all in about forty minutes . {gap} Okay .First I want to discuss the goals of this meeting . First we need to determine the user requirements andthe question that we can ask ourselves is what needs and desires are to be fulfilled by this remote control. And then we're going to determine the technical functions , what is the effect of the apparatus , whatactually is it supposed to do , what do people pick up the remote and use it for . And then lastly we'regoing to determine its working design , how exactly will it perform its functions , that's the wholetechnical side of {disfmarker} 'Kay I'll just give you a minute , 'cause it looks like you're making somenotes .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay . Oh , well let's go ahead and ,User Interface:{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {gap} back , previous .User Interface: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: So what I wanna do right now is hear from all three of you , on your research that you just did. Who would like to start us off ? 'Kay .User Interface: I don't mind going first .Project Manager: Okay .Um do you have a PowerPoint or no ?User Interface: Yeah , it's in the {disfmarker} should be in the mProject .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Do you want us to do our PowerPoints now or{disfmarker}User Interface: You know you could you could do it yourself actually .Project Manager: Oh.Industrial Designer: Did you send it ?Project Manager: Save it in the project documents .User Interface:Put it in Project Documents ,Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: yeah .Project Manager: Mm-mm-mm. This one ?User Interface: Sure . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: Okay . Great .User Interface: Okay . Um well , the function {vocalsound} of a remote control ,as what uh we've been informed , is basically to send messages to the television set , for example ,switch it on , switch it off , go to this channel , go to channel nine , turn the volume up , etcetera . Umsome of the considerations is just um for example the what it needs to include it's the numbers , youknow , zero to nine , so you can move to a channel , the power button on slash off , the channel going upand down , volume going up and down , and then mute , a mute function . And then functions forV_H_S_ , D_V_D_ , for example , play , rewind , fast-forward , stop , pause , enter . And enter would befor like , you know , the menus . {vocalsound} And then other menus for D_V_ as well as T_V_ , whetherthat means like um we can go and decide the brightness of the screen , things like that , all the morecomplicated functions of menus .Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: And we can decide if that's whatwe want , {gap} , um if we want to include that on the remote , if that's something that would stay onthe T_V_ itself , for example .Project Manager: Okay . Okay .User Interface: These are two examples .Um and you can see on the left , it's got a lot more buttons ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}UserInterface: and I don't know if you can read it , but it says , step , go to , freeze , um slow , repeat ,program , mute , and so those are some of the buttons and so it gives you an idea of s one example .And then on the right , it's a lot more simpler , it's got volume , it's got the play the like circle set , whichis play , rewind , but it's also what is {disfmarker} fast-forward is also like next on a menu . So you havefunctions that are d uh duplicating .Project Manager: Right .User Interface: And you have a mute buttonand then the numbers and the eject , and the power button . So that gives you two different kinds , amore complex and more simple version . Okay .Project Manager: Ready .User Interface: And then lastly ,it's just the questions that we want to consider like what functions do we want it to include , and howsimple , complex it should be ? And what functions it needs to complete . Uh , what are needed tocomplete insulation process , 'cause , you know , that's something that also has to be considered and it'sgonna be hopefully a one-time thing , when you set it up it should be set to go , but we have to includethe functions that can allow it to set up i in the first place .Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: Sothat's it .Project Manager: Alright . Very good presentation . Thank you . You speak with such authority


Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to today's meeting of the Children, YoungPeople and Education Committee. We've received no apologies for absence. Can I ask Members whetherthere are any declarations of interest, please?Darren Millar AM: Yes, I have a declaration of interest,Chair. I understand that my daughter features in one of the videos that is going to be used to contributeevidence to this inquiry. And, in addition, I'm a governor of one of the schools that features in thevideo.Lynne Neagle AM: Thank you, Darren. So, item 2, then, today is our first session on the provisionof textbooks and learning resources for pupils, which is a video of interviews with young people andteachers. The committee team has been out to take video evidence around Wales, and we're now goingto watch the results of that on the screen. Okay. Well, I'm sure that the committee would want me toplace on record our thanks to the young people and the teachers who took part in that very helpful andinformative video. We'll move on now then to our evidence session, and I'm very pleased to welcomeGareth Pierce, chief executive of the WJEC, Mike Ebbsworth, assistant director educational support,WJEC, Philip Blaker, chief executive of Qualifications Wales, and Emyr George, associate director generalqualifications at Qualifications Wales. So, thank you all of you for attending and thank you for the papersthat you provided in advance as well. If you're happy, we'll go straight into questions now, and if I canjust start by asking you to outline what you see as your role in ensuring that students and teachers inWales have the resources that they need to pass general qualifications and what you think the role ofcommercial publishers and Welsh Government is.Philip Blaker: Shall I start? So, Qualifications Wales isthe regulator of the awarding bodies, so we regulate awarding bodies. Our powers are structured aroundthe regulating of awarding bodies. We don't regulate commercial publishers nor the provision oftextbooks within that. In regulating the awarding body, our primary focus is also on the design of thequalifications and then the delivery of the assessment. So, it's much more around the assessmentside than teaching resources. That said, when we are going through the design of the qualifications, wego through an approval process, so we develop approval criteria and we ask WJEC to submit theirspecifications against those approval criteria and sample assessment materials as well. So, our focus isvery much on making sure that teachers are able, through the sample assessment materials and thespecifications, to have a good understanding of what is going to be expected of them in the examinationsand of their pupils in the examinations. So, that's setting out the knowledge, skills andunderstandings that will be assessed by WJEC when those exams are sat. We have in the past pulledtogether groups of people to look at issues like resources. So, during the last round of approvals, wepulled together interested parties in Welsh Government, regional consortia and WJEC to look at resourcesthat would be available with a view to facilitating the discussion about who would be best placed to fill thegaps where there may be perceived to be gaps in resources. Our other primary role is in maintainingstandards. So, as the regulator of qualifications, what we want to do is we want to make that the awardsof qualifications—so, the grades that people get—are fair. One of the things we do is set out the way inwhich the awarding bodies will set grades—so, the awarding process, the methods that will be used—andthen we monitor WJEC's award of grades against those processes. During a period of change, weprescribe the use of comparable outcomes as the primary approach, largely because comparableoutcomes are designed for circumstances like this, where there's a change in a specification particularly,because there are any number of reasons, including resources, why performance may be different fromone year to the next, but comparable outcomes is there to ensure that, all things being equal, if thecohorts have the same ability, the same grade should be awarded from one year to the next. We dorecognise that there have been delays in textbooks. Much of that has been related to the timelines thatwe've all had to deliver new specifications against, which have been far from ideal for everybodyinvolved. We think that particularly our role moving forward will be looking at the timelines forreforms that will be necessary for the new curriculum to make sure that this situation isn't repeated andthat there is sufficient time in future reforms to allow for greater system readiness. In terms of the rolesof others, Welsh Government have a role at the moment in terms of grant funding of translation of


User Interface: Hi .Industrial Designer: Hi .Project Manager: Hello .Marketing: {vocalsound}UserInterface: Oh .Project Manager: Good morning .User Interface: Good morning .Industrial Designer:Morning .Marketing: Good morning .Project Manager: Uh before I start with the with the meeting I have afew things to tell you about the the setting we're in , uh because we're uh being watched by uh BigBrother . So um {disfmarker}Marketing: By Big Brother ?Project Manager: Yeah . {vocalsound} Yeah.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: This uh {disfmarker} These arecameras , so are these . This thing uh that looks like a pie ,Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: areactually all microphones .Marketing: Yeah . Okay .Project Manager: So you must be careful with uh withuh all this . And uh as I can see you uh you have placed your laptops uh exactly on the place where itmust be . And that has to do with the camera settings , so we don't have our uh laptops in front of thecameras .Marketing: Of our faces .Project Manager: And {disfmarker} Indeed . So they can see our faces.Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Welcome at the kick-off meeting . My name is uh Danny Wolfs . {vocalsound} Uh this is theagenda for today . Uh first a little opening . Uh I will introduce myself , uh and uh I think it's very uh goodto introduce uh yourself . Uh then uh a little bit of acquaintance , acquaintance to uh to to ourselves . Souh we get to know each other . Uh that will be done uh with a tool training from the he these two uhsmart boards . Then the project plan . What we're going to do , and how we're going to do it . Uh anddiscussion about that and a little closing at the end . {vocalsound} Okay uh , my name is uh Danny Wolfs. I'm the Project Manager . What's your name ?User Interface: I'm Juergen Toffs . I'm the User InterfaceDesigner .Project Manager: User interface , okay .Industrial Designer: Hi , my name's uh {gap} . I'm theIndustrial Designer .Project Manager: Industrial , yes .Marketing: I'm uh Tim {gap} . Um my function isthe Marketing Expert .Project Manager: Okay , thank you . First a little about the project aim . Uh the thethe aim is to make a new remote control . Uh maybe you have read uh read the website . It's a very uh ,yeah , very uh ambitious uh company . They uh they wanna do something else . I w Uh there must be anew remote control . Uh first of all uh it must be original , uh and trendy . That's two things really uhclose to each other . But at the same time uh user-friendly . And they have uh {disfmarker} Yeah , that'suh very important uh for them . Uh there are three stages . There is a functional design . So uh what arewe going uh to uh to do ? What are we going to uh uh make f uh kind of functions in the remote ? Andwhy are we going to do it ? Then the conceptual design . How are going to do it ? {vocalsound} Andthat's uh really global . Uh because at the detailed design , how , part two , uh we go uh to dig in uhreally about how the the te the technical of {disfmarker} If it's uh it's possible technical-wise .Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh each stage is uh {vocalsound} uh is broken up in two uh two stages ,individual work and a meeting . So it's uh it's very straightforward . {vocalsound} Okay , the tool training. We have two smart boards . {vocalsound} This one is for the presentations , the PowerPointpresentations or the Word presentation of whatever you uh you had . Uh and this is uh only for uhdrawing . So uh we uh must let it uh stand on this uh this programme . {vocalsound} This is called asmart boardMarketing: {vocalsound} Speaks for itself .Project Manager: thing uh {disfmarker} Yeah , itspeaks for itself . Um and as you uh may have heard , the documents in the shared folder uh can be uhshowed on this screen . Not in y the the My Documents . So if you wanna show something , put it in theshared folder . {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker} This uh is {gap} very straightforward , with the save , theprint , the undo , the blank , the select , the pen . Well , I don't uh gonna explain it all ,Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: because I think you know uh how it works . Um we must not forget uheverything we draw on here , uh all must be saved . We we may not delete anything . So uh if you haveuh drawn something , save it . Never delete it . That's a very important uh thing .Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . Uh little uh little {vocalsound} kinda exercise to uh know eachother .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} At uh thewhite board on the left . Every uh every one of us uh must draw our favourite animal ,IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} and uh tell uh tell us why we uh had uh chosen


Marketing: {gap}Project Manager: {gap} {vocalsound}Marketing: I dunno . {vocalsound} Throwingaway my toothpick .User Interface: Hi there .Project Manager: Yo . Ow .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {gap} {vocalsound}Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: Uh{disfmarker}Marketing: Nice user interface .Project Manager: Yeah . What the {disfmarker} Uh{disfmarker}Marketing: {gap}Project Manager: Yeah well , ja well let's just start .Marketing: 'Kay.Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I've uh made a presentation uh but uh I'll open it on theSmartboard , so we can all see it .Marketing: Right let's see it .Project Manager: So it's in the projectdocuments because that's what we can find here . Well {gap} . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Very nice . Well this is called the the the kick-off meeting . So uh{vocalsound} I'm the Project Manager , so I had to fill it in ,Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: and uhhmm . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Oh sorry . {vocalsound} And {gap} an uh a nice agenda .{vocalsound} Uh we'll do the opening and then uh we'll meet each other , what uh we already do , so ,that's not uh very much trouble . I'll I'll show you the the tools we have here , so that we can all usethem . Then uh we'll look at the project plan from uh Real Reaction .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: We'll discuss about our first ideas about the project , and then uh we'll close the meeting , andthen we can uh individually uh do our things and then uh we'll get back here . So {vocalsound} this theopening we'll uh {disfmarker} We have to uh design a new television remote control . You have heardthat uh already I think , so .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Um we want it to be original , so anice uh a nice new design . Uh trendy , it's {vocalsound} also for young people , and we have to just uhmake it uh modern . And uh friendly , so size does matter . And uh {disfmarker} Well it has to be a havethe the right uh the right buttons on the right place , that kin those kind of things .Industrial Designer:Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Other uh {disfmarker} There happen to be uh three stages . {gap}functional , conceptual , and d detailed design . Um so every time we we'll do some individual work , getmeeting , talk about it , uh and then go into the next phase . That's just it . {vocalsound} Um{disfmarker} We have uh these two Smartboards . Um well as I just showed , there's a projectmanagement folder , a project document folder on the desktop . It just works exactly the same as acomputer . You just uh click on the on the folder and you open the everything you you put in it with yourlaptop . So you can uh make uh {vocalsound} Words Excel , everything . Um and the w the r uh the restuh also works the same so uh when you open a notepad you uh you just get your uh things , you can uhdraw . This is a uh well a drawing board . {gap} you have a {disfmarker} these different uh functions onthe board . You can see them there . So you have a a nice pen , and it's works just like a bal ball pen .{vocalsound} This is just a {gap} . I want to uh {disfmarker} Oh yeah . Of course w {vocalsound}doesn't work any more . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Maybe you should try to write on the on the big white uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: Yes I will {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Does it ? Yeah . It works.Project Manager: eraser {gap} so .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Wonderful .ProjectManager: It's fantas fantastic . We can uh uh well you can save a file . So if uh we draw we have to saveeverything . Don't throw anything away .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Uh just we canstart a new one , and we just go on , and don't throw anything away .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Just uh let them all uh stand here . We can delete , but we don't do that . Um you can hereselect a pen , you can draw anything you want . It's a bit uh childish you have to write . It's not as fast asyou w you know it , but it does work sometimes .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {gap} .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Well it's just like anormal uh paint .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So it's gone .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Alright , yep .Project Manager: Well we are designers , so we have to have a a more uh aSmartboard . So that's fantastic . Um well this uh speaks for itself . We going to try it . So um we all uhare going to uh draw a nice animal on this board ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: not my idea .


Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and EducationCommittee. We've received no apologies for absence this morning. Can I ask if there are any declarationsof interest from Members, please? No. Okay. Thank you. Item 3 this morning then is a scrutiny sessionon early childhood education and care, and I'm very pleased to welcome Julie Morgan AM, DeputyMinister for Health and Social Services; Jo-anne Daniels, director of communities and tackling poverty atWelsh Government; and Nicola Edwards, deputy director of the childcare, play and early years division inWelsh Government. Thank you all for your attendance. We’re very much looking forward to the session.If you're happy, we'll go straight into questions, and the first ones are from Hefin David.Hefin David AM:Good morning, Deputy Minister. What are your primary objectives? Is it supporting the development ofchildren or getting parents into work?Julie Morgan AM: Well, I think you'll be aware from the range ofprogrammes that we've got that we do feel it’s important to support both children and parents. There'sobviously lots of evidence to show how important the early years are for children, how important they arefor their development, and so, that is one of our primary objectives. But we also know how important it isfor parents to have stable jobs, reasonably paid, so that can also help with the development of thechildren. So, we really see it that our plans are for both parents and children, and we believe that ahigh-quality, early-childhood education and care system can provide that. And, of course, in terms ofwhen we talk about jobs as well, I think it’s really important to remember that the childcare system is abig employer as well and a very important employer. So that, actually, itself provides jobs.Hefin DavidAM: So, the evidence we've seen suggests that, historically, Governments in the UK and devolved havefocused on primarily getting parents into work. So, are you suggesting then that your focus is to changethat and move towards early child development?Julie Morgan AM: No, what I'm saying is that we want togive parents the opportunity to work. We don't want childcare to be a barrier to parents working becausewe think that working is one the best routes out of poverty, but we do also want to make sure thatchildren have the greatest experience that they can have in the early years. So, we see it as one.HefinDavid AM: Okay. And that's quite a policy challenge to deliver both at the same time.Julie Morgan AM:The situation as it is is complex, and I think it needs simplifying. It is a challenge, but it’s probably one ofthe most important challenges we've got in Government, because what we offer to families with youngchildren is one of the most important things we do.Hefin David AM: And in your evidence to thecommittee, you said that the Welsh Government’s approach 'will build on a wide variety of programmesthat are continually developing in order to support parents, families and children during the early years.'And you've just said you want to simplify that. How do you simplify that, particularly with regard to theprovision of funding and the way these things connect from the birth of a child into school? How willsimplification look, and what will happen?Julie Morgan AM: Well, we're not at the stage of being able tosay what it will look like at the moment, but we're looking at ways of simplifying, because I think it’sabsolutely right, it is a very complex system, because it’s grown up from all different routes. But we arehaving lots of pilot projects that are looking at ways of simplifying the system. We have got pathwayprojects in, I think it’s eight local authorities, who are looking at ways of joining up the whole system. So,we are looking at that, and I absolutely except that it is very complex and we want to find ways ofmaking it simpler and easier to understand. So, we are working with local authorities and health boardsto see how we can actually work together and simplify things.Hefin David AM: And it's good to hear thatthat's your objective. Can I just come back to the first thing you said: 'We can't say yet what we're goingto do'?Julie Morgan AM: No.Hefin David AM: So, when will we have a policy plan and something that wecan interrogate in more detail?Julie Morgan AM: Well, I think we are near getting to an announcementwhere we will be able to say what direction we're going in, and because we have had—. Some of thiswork has been going on for a year or so, and we're getting the results of those pathfinder projects comingin. So, when we do have all those results, we will be able to say the direction that we want to go in, and Ihope we'll be able to do that very soon.Hefin David AM: Before Christmas?Julie Morgan AM: I hopeso.Hefin David AM: Okay. And finally from me—Julie Morgan AM: I'm sorry I can't say too much about


PhD A: Eh , we should be going .Professor B: So ne next week we 'll have , uh , both Birger {pause} and, uh , Mike {disfmarker} Michael {disfmarker} Michael Kleinschmidt and Birger Kollmeier will join us .PhDD: Uh - huh .Professor B: Um , and you 're {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you 're probably gonna go up in acouple {disfmarker} three weeks or so ? When d when are you thinking of going up to , uh , OGI ?PhD D:Yeah , like , uh , not next week but maybe the week after .Professor B: OK . Good . So at least we 'll haveone meeting with {vocalsound} yo with you still around , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}PhD D: Uh -huh .Professor B: That 's good .PhD D: Um , Yeah . Well , {vocalsound} maybe we can start with this .Mmm .Professor B: All today , huh ?PhD D: Yeah .Professor B: Oh .PhD D: Um . Yeah . So there was thisconference call this morning , um , and the only topic on the agenda was just to discuss a and to come at{disfmarker} uh , to get a decision about this latency problem .Professor B: No , this {disfmarker} I 'msorry , this is a conference call between different Aurora people or just {disfmarker} ?PhD D: Uh , yeah .It 's the conference call between the Aurora , {vocalsound} uh , group .Professor B: It 's the mainconference call . OK .PhD D: Uh , yeah . There were like two hours of {pause} discussions , and thensuddenly , {vocalsound} uh , people were tired , I guess , and they decided on {nonvocalsound} anumber , two hundred and twenty , um , included e including everything . Uh , it means that it 's likeeighty milliseconds {pause} less than before .Professor B: And what are we sitting at currently ?PhD D:Um .Professor B: Yeah .PhD D: So , currently d uh , we have system that has two hundred and thirty . So, that 's fine .Professor B: Two thirty .PhD D: Yeah . So that 's the system that 's described on the secondpoint of {pause} this {vocalsound} document .Professor B: So it 's {disfmarker} we have to reduce it byten milliseconds somehow .PhD D: Yeah . But that 's {disfmarker} Yeah . That 's not a problem , I{disfmarker} I guess .Professor B: OK . W It 's {disfmarker} it 's p d primary {disfmarker} primarilydetermined by the VAD at this point ,PhD D: Um .Professor B: right ?PhD D: Yeah .Professor B: S so wecan make the VAD a little shorter .PhD D: Yeah . At this point , yeah .Professor B: That 's{disfmarker}PhD D: Yeah , uh - huh .Professor B: Yeah . We probably should do that pretty soon so thatwe don't get used to it being a certain way .PhD D: Uh - huh .Professor B: Yeah .PhD D: Um .Professor B:Was Hari on the {disfmarker} on the phone ?PhD D: Yeah , sure .Professor B: OK .PhD D: Well , it wasmainly a discussion {vocalsound} between Hari and {vocalsound} David ,Professor B: Hmm .PhD D: whowas like {disfmarker}Professor B: Yeah .PhD D: Uh ,Professor B: OK .PhD D: mmm {disfmarker} Uh ,yeah . So , the second thing is the system that we have currently . Oh , yes . We have , like , a systemthat gives sixty - two percent improvement , but {vocalsound} if you want to stick to the {disfmarker}{vocalsound} this latency {disfmarker} Well , it has a latency of two thirty , but {vocalsound} if youwant also to stick to the number {vocalsound} of features that {disfmarker} limit it to sixty ,{vocalsound} then we go a little bit down but it 's still sixty - one percent . Uh , and if we drop thetandem network , then we have fifty - seven percent .Professor B: Uh , but th the two th two thirtyincludes the tandem network ?PhD D: Yeah .Professor B: OK . And i is the tandem network , uh , smallenough that it will fit on the terminal size in terms of {disfmarker} ?PhD D: Uh , no , I don't think so.Professor B: No .PhD D: No .Professor B: OK .PhD D: It 's still {disfmarker} in terms of computation , ifwe use , like , their way of computing the {disfmarker} the maps {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} theMIPs , {vocalsound} I think it fits ,Professor B: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .PhD D: but it 's , uh , m mainly aproblem of memory .Professor B: Right .PhD D: Um , and I don't know how much {pause} this can bediscussed or not , because it 's {disfmarker} it could be in ROM , so it 's maybe not that expensive . But{disfmarker}Professor B: Ho - how much memory d ? H how many {disfmarker} ?PhD D: I d I d uh , I{disfmarker} I don't kn remember exactly , but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Uh . Yeah , I c I{disfmarker} I have to check that .Professor B: Yeah . I 'd like to {pause} see that , cuz maybe I couldthink a little bit about it , cuz we {vocalsound} maybe we could make it a little smaller or {disfmarker} Imean , it 'd be {disfmarker} it 'd be neat if we could fit it all .PhD D: Uh - huh .Professor B: Uh , I 'd liketo see how far off we are .PhD D: Mm - hmm .Professor B: But I guess it 's still within their rules to have{disfmarker} have it on the , uh , t uh , server side . Right ?PhD D: Yeah . Yeah .Professor B: OK .PhD D:


Project Manager: Okay . Everybody found his place again ? Yeah ?Marketing: Yes .Project Manager:That's nice . Okay so this is our second meeting . And uh still failing ? {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah.Project Manager: Uh now we're going um into the functional design . Um important thing of this phase isthat we're going to uh try to get an agreement about the user requirements , technical function design ,and the working design . So that we can move onto the second uh phase . But first this phase . Um firstan announcement . There's a little adaptation in the air conditioning system . So {disfmarker}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} There's our {vocalsound} ghost mouse again . That thatmeans that you can have a little trouble with , little trouble with the air conditioning , that's because ofthis uh {disfmarker}User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: It's in wing C_ and E_ .Marketing: Okay.Project Manager: So it should be over in a in a while , couple of days . But it's going to be cold anyway ,so {vocalsound} I don't think you're gonna need it .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: No .ProjectManager: Then our agenda . Now first the opening . Uh this time I will take the minutes . Uh you're goingto have a presentation . All of you . Um and we've got forty minutes for the whole uh prese for the wholeuh presentations . So uh I suggest we take about seven minutes per presentation , and then we can havea little discussion about the new project requirements uh which have been sent to me . And then thedecision on the control functions uh which we wanna include and those which we don't wanna include . Sowe've got forty minutes for all of it . So I suggest um let's start with the first presentation .Marketing: Yes.Project Manager: Um who wants to be first ?Marketing: Think I'll go first .Project Manager: Okay . So{disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Just maybe it's easier if you um {disfmarker}Yeah I think you will tell {gap} your presentation as well . Just which function you have and what you'regonna talk about . {vocalsound}Marketing: 'Kay . My name is Freek Van Ponnen . I'm the Market Expert .But you already knew that . Um I've done some research . We have we uh have been doing research in ausability lab where we observed um users operating remote controls . Uh we let them fill out aquestionnaire . We had one hundred of these uh test subjects . Uh in addition we did some marketresearch . Uh see what the market consists of . What ages are involved . Well these are three quiteastonishing results , I thought . Um remotes are being considered ugly . F uh seventy five percent of theum people questioned uh indicated that they thought their remote were was ugly . Um and an additionaleighty percent indicated that they would spend more money on a fancy-looking remote control . So{disfmarker} Um in addition remotes were not very functional . Fifty percent of the people indicated theyonly loo used about ten percent of the buttons on a remote control . And fifty percent of the peopleindicated that their remote tended to get lost in their room . SoUser Interface: Mm .Marketing: somethings . Then we did some research to the most relevant functions . Channel selection and volumeselection um both got a ten on a scale of one to ten for relevancy . The power button got a nine . Andteletext got a six and a half . So these are the most most uh important functions on a remote control .Then there are some one-time use function . That's what I like to call them . That uh audio settings ,video settings , and channel settings buttons . Which are not really used very frequently , but are stillconsidered to be of some importance . Um channel selection was also indicated to be used veryfrequently . One hundred and sixty eight times per hour . Then these are the {disfmarker} This is themarket . Um sixty percent of the market consists of users between the ages sixteen and forty f six . Um{disfmarker} Main characteristic of this group is that they're very critical on the remote control . Um theylike to use new f new functions . But they also are very critical . They won't spend their money very easily. So {disfmarker} Um the users of forty six to sixty five years cons The make up forty percent of themarket . They are not really very interested in features . But they do tend to spend their money a loteasier . What I think this indicates for our um design . I think we should make a remote for the future .And this means we would um have to focus on the age ages sixteen to forty five . Uh this also makes upmost the biggest part of the market , so that will also be where our main profit would be gettable . Umthis would mean we would have to make a fancy design . Um {disfmarker} The results also indicated thatum about one quarter of the people questioned thought that the remote control caused R_S_ R_S_I_ .


Marketing: Oh right okay . {vocalsound} I cover myself up . {vocalsound}Project Manager: I feel likeMadonna with one of these on . I said I feel like Madonna with one of these on . {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Marketing: {gap} .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} I'vealways wanted one of these , I really have . {vocalsound} Where do you buy 'em from ? {vocalsound}They're {gap} .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Right . Hello everybody .User Interface: Hello .Project Manager: Backagain for another wonderful meeting .Industrial Designer: {gap} .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Is uh everyone ready ?User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Almost .{vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay , we c we can hold on for a minute .Marketing:{vocalsound} Oh my gosh . {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound}Project Manager: I figured with the spamthing , if you can't beat it , join in . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: That's the kind of spam that everybody likes to receive .Marketing:{vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm 'kay .Project Manager: Are you ready? Okay , right , well , I take it that you are all ready now .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Umalright first off we'll just uh recap from our last meeting . Um {vocalsound} which was we got togetherjust to basically decide on {disfmarker} well to talk about what it is that we were actually uh supposed tobe doing ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: and who we all are and stuff like that , mm get bitmore of an idea together of what's going on . {vocalsound} Um what we are gonna talk about in thismeeting is um now that we know what it is that we are doing , now we know that it's a T_V_ remote andstuff and you guys have just been off doing some some uh R_ and D_ for that , that's research anddevelopment for those that haven't heard that before ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm-hmm.Project Manager: see I'm learning all sorts of new technologi terms in technology today . Um yeah ,we're gonna hear your uh th three little presentations ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: whetherthey be on computer or on the whiteboard or whatever you want .User Interface: Hmm . {vocalsound}Do you have any preference uh of order ?Project Manager: Um I'd like to um hearMarketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: o I'd like to hear who's g who's on the um from from uh Catherine actuallyfirst . I want {disfmarker} what I'd like to hear about is uh if we've finally decided on um what sort ofenergy we're gonna be using andIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Batteries .User Interface: Ithink she is still finishing her {gap} . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: No no no no , it's fine I'm justpreparing .Project Manager: It's just that {disfmarker} yeah , let's let's hear from you first .IndustrialDesigner: Okay .User Interface: Hmm .Industrial Designer: Where is that thing ?User Interface: Okay ,it's uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Marketing: It's here .Industrial Designer: Oh sorry , couldn't see.Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Would that work ?Project Manager: Get yourself in position. {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay , so that's me again .Marketing: Ah .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Um so um for the energy sources we can have a basic battery , a hand dynamowhich is {disfmarker} which was used uh in the fifties for torches , if you remember that kind of{disfmarker} which wouldn't be v wouldn't be v vProject Manager: I don't think any of us remember thefifties .User Interface: Is it like a crank thing or something {gap} .Industrial Designer: yeah , yeah . Itwouldn't be very fancy .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: You can have a kinetic provision ofenergy , which is used on some watches these days . So if you have just a bit of gentle movement that{disfmarker} it will give it the energy to work .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: Or you can use solarcells , but I'm not sure about that indoors , really , but {disfmarker}User Interface: Well , there'ssometimes combinations , I mean , like calculators do combinations of battery with {disfmarker} but alsousing some solar power .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Do {gap} sol solar panel things , dothey have to work from the sun or can they work from a light bulb ?Marketing: Mm .Project Manager:Does anybody know ?Industrial Designer: I dunno actually .User Interface: Uh I think , it has to be on theon the solar energy , but I don't know .Industrial Designer: I dunno . Um . Think the the uh what wouldcost the less would be the basic battery , really .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: And uh if we


Professor C: Starts {disfmarker} No . No .PhD D: No . That 's a different thing .Professor C: There 'sanother {disfmarker} I don't know . It starts with a P or something . I forget the word for it , but it 's{disfmarker} it 's umPhD D: Oh .Professor C: Typically when you {disfmarker} you 're ab r startingaround forty for most people , it starts to harden and then it 's just harder for the lens to shift thingsPhDD: Oh .Professor C: and th the {disfmarker} the symptom is typically that you {disfmarker}{vocalsound} you have to hold stuff uh uh further away to {disfmarker} to see it .PhD E: Uh - huh . Yeah.Professor C: In fact , uh m my brother 's a {pause} gerontological psychologist and he {disfmarker} heuh {vocalsound} came up with an {disfmarker} an uh {disfmarker} a uh body age test which uh getsdown to sort of only three measurements that are good enough st statistical predictors of all the rest of it. And one of them is {disfmarker} is the distance {vocalsound} that you have to hold it at .PhD D: Givesomeone a piece of paper and then they {disfmarker} Oh .PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: Yeah .Grad A: We're {disfmarker} we 're live by the way , so we 've got a good intro hereProfessor C: Oh . Yeah . Abouthow old I am .Grad A: Yep .Professor C: OK .Grad A: We can edit that out if you want .PhD D: Oh , that 'soptional .Professor C: No , that 's OK .Grad A: OK . So . This time the form discussion should be veryshort ,PhD D: You know .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Grad A: right ?Professor C: It also should be {pause} later.Grad A: OK .Professor C: Because Jane uh is not here yet .Grad A: Good point .Professor C: And uh she'll be most interested in that . Uh , she 's probably least involved in the signal - processing stuff so maybewe can just {disfmarker} just uh , I don't think we should go though an elaborate thing , but um uh Joseand I were just talking about {vocalsound} the uh {nonvocalsound} uh , speech e energy thing ,PhD E:The @ @ {disfmarker}Professor C: and I uh {disfmarker}PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: We didn't talk aboutthe derivatives . But I think , you know , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} i if I can {disfmarker} if youdon't mind my {disfmarker} my speaking for you for a bit , um {vocalsound} Uh . Right now , that he 'snot really showing any kind of uh distinction , but uh {disfmarker} but we discussed a couple of thepossible things that uh he can look at . Um . And uh one is that uh this is all in log energy and log energyis basically compressing the distances {vocalsound} uh {pause} between things . Um {pause} Another isthat he needs to play with the {disfmarker} the different uh {pause} uh temporal sizes . He was{disfmarker} he {disfmarker} he was taking everything over two hundred milliseconds uh , and uh he 'sgoing to vary that number and also look at moving windows , as we discussed before . Um And uh{disfmarker} and the other thing is that the {disfmarker} yeah doing the {disfmarker} {vocalsound}subtracting off the mean and the variance in the {disfmarker} {pause} uh and dividing it by the {pause}standard deviation in the log domain , {vocalsound} may not be {pause} the right thing to do .Grad A: HiJane !PhD E: Hi .Grad A: We just started .PhD E: Yeah .Grad A: Could you take that mike there ?PhD D:Are these the long term means ? Like , over the whole {disfmarker} I mean , the means of {pause} what?Grad A: Thanks .Professor C: Uh B Between {disfmarker} between {disfmarker}PhD D: All the frames inthe conversation ?Professor C: No .PhD D: Or of things that {disfmarker}Professor C: Between{disfmarker} Neither . It 's uh between the pauses {pause} uh for some segment .PhD E: No .PhD D: Oh.Professor C: And so i i his {disfmarker} his {disfmarker} He 's making the constraint it has to be at leasttwo hundred milliseconds .PhD D: Oh .Professor C: And so you take that . And then he 's {disfmarker} he's uh measuring at the frame level {disfmarker} still at the frame level , of what {disfmarker}PhD D:Right .Professor C: and then {disfmarker} and then just uh normalizing with that larger amount . um and{disfmarker} But one thing he was pointing out is when he {disfmarker} he looked at a bunch ofexamples in log domain , it is actually pretty hard to see {vocalsound} the change . And you can sort of{pause} see that , because of j of just putting it on the board that {vocalsound} if you sort of have log -X plus log - X , that 's the log of X plus the log of twoPhD E: Yep .PhD D: Yeah , maybe it 's not logdistributed .PhD E: Mmm . Yeah .Professor C: and it 's just , {pause} you know , it {disfmarker} itdiminishes the {pause} effect of having two of them .PhD E: Professor C: Um .PhD D: But you could dolike a C D F there instead ? I mean , we don't know that the distribution here is normally .Professor C:Yes , right . So {disfmarker} So what I was suggesting to him is that {disfmarker}PhD D: So just some


Marketing: It's Play-Doh .Project Manager: Play-Doh's edible . Did you know that ? It's definitely{disfmarker}Marketing: Because kids {disfmarker} yeah .Industrial Designer: I used to eat it .UserInterface: I've , I've definitely eaten it before . I didn't know was edible . {vocalsound} {gap} .ProjectManager: Yeah . It's it's chew proof . {vocalsound}Marketing: But um , it's it's made edible 'cause , yeah. It's made edible 'cause kids eat it ,Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: and if it's wasn't edible then{disfmarker} Well , normal babies . {vocalsound}User Interface: Actually that makes sense , because Iremember like , peopl I dunno if my Mom ever did it but I remember other people's Moms making likehome-made Play-Doh where you just like make the {gap} colouring and make some sort of sort of dough.Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Oh yeah it is , yeah . Oh yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Right.User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Everybody everybody ready ?Industrial Designer: Yep .UserInterface: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay , let's have your um {disfmarker} let's get {gap} have the uhpresentation ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: We've got some {gap} .IndustrialDesigner: We've got a cool prototype .User Interface: Yeah , it's pretty exciting . So , everything uh thatwe wanted we wanted it to be ergonomic and to be made out of rubber , very simple and easy to use,Industrial Designer: Double curved .Project Manager: Nice .User Interface: yeah , double curved,Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: um but also something that was gonna jump out at people ,something that would be different uh , separate it from the other remotes out on the market . So uh Ithink if you put this in the palm of your hand , you'll see what a nice thing we have going here .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Marketing: That is cool .User Interface: So , basically , if you hold it like that , theone on your thumb , yeah , {vocalsound} the thumb button is the power button .Project Manager:Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .User Interface: Your index finger is channel up , middle finger is channel down ,ring finger is volume up , your pinkie is volume down .Marketing: What's the big blue thing ?UserInterface: That's the lock button , has a L_ L_ on itMarketing: Oh cool .User Interface: and then the M_ isa mute button . And then it also has digitProject Manager: {gap} what button ? Um . Oh mute .UserInterface: For muting the uh {disfmarker}Marketing: And mute .User Interface: Um and then then youcan also {disfmarker} there's a numeric keypad on the top so you can key directly to the to the channel ifyou want .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: So it's really basicfunctionalities as far as what keys are available , but we think it's very comfortable and very innovativeand it looks different .Project Manager: That certainly does .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Soall the , I mean the important keys are right at your f f you know right at uh at a convenient place for youto to access them .Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: Which is ant anti-R_S_I_ .User Interface:So you don't you {disfmarker} Yeah . It should be .Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: And it's alsoconformable to the size of your hand . I mean if that's too big , it's a rubber remote , so you can , youknowProject Manager: Yeah . 'S great .User Interface: change that . So d does that uh what {disfmarker}mesh with what you guys were hoping and for and expecting or does it {disfmarker}Marketing: Oh it's socute .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I have one thing about it , but it's a small thing, but it'd mean we'd have to make a right-handed one and a left-handed one .Industrial Designer: Ohright , yeah .User Interface: Ah , that's good thinking , yeah .Project Manager: But , that's I don't seewhy that's not possible .User Interface: Yeah , if we build rocket ships why can't we build left-handed andright-handed uh remotes .Project Manager: Yeah . {gap} They make left-handed scissors , you know .{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah , I didn't I didn't think about that , but I'd {disfmarker}yeah , {gap} .Marketing: Yeah , but then but then you can learn to use your right h like I was justthinking if there's left-handers and right-handers in the family , what , they have two remotes ?ProjectManager: Yes sIndustrial Designer: Yeah , I know I know people who have left-handed and right-handedpeople in the family and they all use the computer {vocalsound} for the whole {disfmarker} the samecomputer the fes family and they have a mouse , and everybody is using right-handed mouse .ProjectManager: Mm . Sure . Sure .Marketing: Yeah , I'm sure they'll be able to {disfmarker}User Interface:Uh-huh .Marketing: I mean it's only pressing buttons , you don't have to do anything , you know ,


Industrial Designer: {gap} .User Interface: Hello {vocalsound} . 'Kay .Project Manager: You all saw thenewsflash ?Industrial Designer: It's {disfmarker}Project Manager: Or you got the same message?Marketing: Yeah I I just saw it one minute ago .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah sorry .IndustrialDesigner: I don't know .Marketing: When I uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: I didn't see it yet I think.User Interface: Newsflash ? D did I miss something ?Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager:Yeah . Yeah I received an email so I thought I I can't mail you so I thought I'd just drop it in the folder ,but {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah pretty much .Industrial Designer: Hey what's wrong with my computer?User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: Is it unlocked ?User Interface: No .Industrial Designer: {gap}.Marketing: Mm . Yeah that's my presentation . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Woah . I uh kind ofopened it {gap} .User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer: Huh ?Marketing: Mm ?Project Manager: Uh{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: What the {disfmarker}Marketing: Oh right .User Interface: I think youhave to uh change your desktop uhProject Manager: Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: size.Marketing: Ooh . {vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay . Everybody ready ?Industrial Designer: Not really.Marketing: Well {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Sorry .Project Manager: No no no . Yes yes yes .UserInterface: {gap} computer is uh not functioning ?Marketing: Alright .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Okay .Industrial Designer: Okay . Where do I find this ? I'm not so g display huh ?User Interface: Uhdisplay .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: And then uh settings ?Industrial Designer: Appearance?Marketing: Huh .User Interface: Mm I'm not sure I {gap} .Marketing: {vocalsound} You read thenewsflash ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay . Can we get startedUser Interface: No .IndustrialDesigner: No what was it about ?Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: or is there some pressing issue?Industrial Designer: Yeah my computer is not functioning properly .Project Manager: Oh no pressing.User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Did you plug inthe power cable when you come back ?Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah . No but my screen is reduced insize . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah . That's difficult . Yeah .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: What ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Feedback .Marketing: Hmm .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing: {gap} alt delete . {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound} Format . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Format save.Marketing: {gap} . So it doesn't draw the attention away .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer:This is dreadful .User Interface: I made uh uh my own map .Project Manager: Oh yeah sure .IndustrialDesigner: No not this , but the task .User Interface: It's a {disfmarker}Project Manager: You havePlaystation also ?User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound} No that'sokay . No I just flapped it , closed it , took it here and then this happened . Ah . Uh {disfmarker} wherewas it ? In settings ? Okay . Alright . Thank you .Project Manager: Huh .Industrial Designer: Do you guyslike your tasks ?User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I spent a lot oftime thinking about what I was gonna do and then a couple of minutes before this I get my function youknow the information that I need .User Interface: Yeah wa wa you actually {disfmarker} Yeah . But it it'snot clear what you have to to to type uh type in your presentation .Industrial Designer: So frustrating.Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: So {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah . I I had a whole idea and thenjust was typing it and then oh . I have to do that so switch .Industrial Designer: Yeah {disfmarker} Yeahexactly . This presentation is mainly based on my own ideas 'cause I hadn't time to intergrate tha theinformation yet so {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: Reallyannoying .Project Manager: Okay . So there we are again .Marketing: By your humble P_M_ .ProjectManager: Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay this is the agenda . Um we have threepresentations , I heard .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Really . {vocalsound}Project Manager:Yeah really . {vocalsound} So who wants to start ?Marketing: Yeah that's fine {gap} .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .Marketing: We have to start it right away ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah . Uh thisis you ?Marketing: Functional ? Yeah functional requirements .Project Manager: 'Kay .Marketing: Alright .


Project Manager: Okay . Uh door is closed . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Well , let's begin . Because if we have as much time as the last uh meeting , we'll have to hurryup .Marketing: I'm listening .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Right .Project Manager: Umwell I'll start with the presentation again , the agenda .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:Great .Project Manager: Yo . So . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} This one Ithink .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh yeah . Well alright . Um well , I'll showyou the notes . It's not as uh interesting as it should be because we just uh had the meeting ,Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: but I'll show them . We'll get your presentations again on the conceptualdesign . Um {disfmarker} Then we'll have to dec decide about the control , the remote control concepts .I've put a f uh a file in the project management folder , which says exactly uh what kind of decisions weshould take .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So {vocalsound} this time we exactly knowwhat to decide about .Marketing: {vocalsound} Alright , great .Project Manager: And then we'll closeagain .Industrial Designer: Alright .Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker} Well these are some examples ,but we'll talk about them later . We'll {vocalsound} first look at your uh presentations . Alright ?IndustrialDesigner: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Walter will uh start again this time ?Marketing: Yeah , great.Project Manager: Yo .Marketing: Alright , Trendwatch .Project Manager: 'Kay .Marketing: {gap}ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Right . I will speak about uh latest trends trends , latest fashionupdates , and uh things we must not do .Project Manager: 'Kay .Marketing: Uh the trends . {vocalsound}It's very important that uh the control is fancy looking and good uh feeling . Uh this because of our lastmodel was very functional , but {vocalsound} it uh people didn't like that , so our new mo model must bevery good-looking . That's uh something you uh have to take a look at .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Alright .Marketing: And uh the feeling has to be very great . Also the menus and things like that theyhave to they have to feel great .Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: Um there's a minus uh two timeshere , because this is the most important point . This is uh two times as less important ,Project Manager:Less . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: and uh same for this one .{vocalsound} Um , technological technological innovations , that's uh regarded very highly too .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Uh such as an uh L_C_D_ screen , uh speech uh acknowledgement ,as we uh talked about earlier .Project Manager: Well , yeah .Marketing: So we have to have uhsomething like that , like we uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: L_C_D_ and our uh our fronts .Marketing:Right . {vocalsound} Uh the last point is easy to use . Well I think that uh speaks for s for itself . I don'tknow who's uh who's going to look at that .Industrial Designer: Easy to use ?Project Manager: Well , easyto use uh s is a bit uh contradictionary with the first uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah ?IndustrialDesigner: I think that's your taUser Interface: {gap}Project Manager: Functional is not an issue , andthen easy to use .Marketing: Yeah , I know .Project Manager: Well we have to choose one of them .{vocalsound}Marketing: I think we have to go for the first one .Project Manager: Yeah .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: It's the most important one . So {gap} we have to uhtake that one .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: So it it {vocalsound} it isn't very important that{vocalsound} that it works easy .User Interface: Well something fancy looking can be can be easy to use.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} But {vocalsound} it has to look great.Project Manager: Yeah . We'll we'll look at uh {gap} .Industrial Designer: You {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah, yeah ,Marketing: We'll see . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: you can make a very complicated uh uhremote anyway , so ease of use {disfmarker} {vocalsound} It's not a very comp complicated device.Marketing: Yeah , right . But the most important thing is that it looks great and people say {gap} wow ,that's real great uh great concept .Project Manager: 'Kay .Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: Alright. Uh these are the new colours of this year .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: So it must be very bright , very colourful .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: People like this .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: So we we have to think uh in this


Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh welcome back after lunch , I hope uh you had a good lunch together .For uh this meeting the main agenda okay uh to discuss about the conceptual design meeting . Okay andthe agenda will be the opening and uh {disfmarker} that's uh {disfmarker} the product manager orsecretary that's me and uh the presentations from the Christine and uh Agnes and from Mister Ed . Andfinally in this meeting we have to decideMarketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: and we are to take adecision on the remote control concept and uh the functional design So we have forty minutes , I thinkit's uh little bit uh low , but I I hope we can finish it up {vocalsound} so I'll handle to the the functionalteam , to the Christine , okay , to discuss about uh the components concept .Industrial Designer: Okay .So uh , if you could open the PowerPoint presentation .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'mnumber two .Project Manager: You're number two . 'KayIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound} Componentsdesign , there we go .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So uh can we put it in slide showmode ? Yeah .Project Manager: The next one .Industrial Designer: Right here , is that little {disfmarker}that one , yes please .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Thank you .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'll take the mouse . {vocalsound} So uhProject Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: we were looking he specifically at the components uh {disfmarker} thefollowing components , uh the case , the power supply , uh the means of communications with thetelevision set . In instance we had talked about using some sort of speech recognition ,Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: you have to have microphone {disfmarker} well no you don't actually Ihaven't {disfmarker} have to have microphone in the device , but um maybe you do have it a a way{disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: it has to it has to hear the speakerUserInterface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: and um , so it could be in the television set , could be in thedevice , but somewhere you have to put the microphone , um and a w a way of making beeps or soundsso you can find it when it's gets lost . Um so the other w thing that we {disfmarker} So . Our method forgoing about this is we've looked at uh the histo hi historical record , what's worked , what hasn't and thenwe also um {disfmarker} we wanted to evaluate some new materialsMarketing: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: and we contacted manufacturing for their input because , course , we m might {vocalsound}come up and choose the material that then manufacturing didn't have the technologies or capabilities tooffer us , so uh this is the approach that we took during our um {disfmarker} our research .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So um for the case , um we told we were making a specifica specificassumption that it would be curved in design .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Course , you know , I wanted it to be expandable and shrinkable , butum that uh doesn't seem to b be one of the choic non-option we can uh {disfmarker} we can reallyseriously explore ,User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} so thenwe were thinking about um rubber , but um unfortunately that's been eliminated because of the heat uhfactorUser Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and th um there might be some {vocalsound}problems with the m uh how it's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh goes with the board . {vocalsound} Uhand uh then th plastic also has this problem of melting and it's brittle {disfmarker} it gets brittle after awhile ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: so um we still had titanium and and woodavailable , but um unfortunately uh uh titanium's also been eliminated uh ,User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: the m people in manufacturing said that you couldn't make d curvedcases out of titanium , although how {vocalsound} Apple did it with th PowerBook I'm not su quite surebut uh nevertheless um they've eliminated all of our options except wood .User Interface: {vocalsound}At least it's environmentally friendly . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} So , {vocalsound}this is our finding .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And a as she said , it's anenvironmentally friendly uh material , so we're {disfmarker} we're {vocalsound} currently uh proposing,Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: uh we'll get to all my personal preferences in just a second.Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So then there's this other matter of the chips and um wellwe could use a simple design on the board ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager:


PhD A: Alright . We 're on .Professor B: Test , um . Test , test , test . Guess that 's me . Yeah . OK .GradD: Ooh , Thursday .Professor B: So . There 's two sheets of paper in front of us .PhD A: What are these?PhD E: Yeah . So .Professor B: This is the arm wrestling ?PhD C: Uh . Yeah , we formed a coalitionactually .PhD E: Yeah . Almost .PhD C: We already made it into one .Professor B: Oh , good .PhD C: Yeah.Professor B: Excellent .PhD E: Yeah .Professor B: That 's the best thing .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B:So , tell me about it .PhD E: So it 's {disfmarker} well , it 's {pause} spectral subtraction or Wienerfiltering , um , depending on if we put {disfmarker} if we square the transfer function or not .Professor B:Right .PhD E: And then with over - estimation of the noise , depending on the , uh {disfmarker} the SNR, with smoothing along time , um , smoothing along frequency .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD E: It 's verysimple , smoothing things .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD E: And , um , {vocalsound} the best result is{vocalsound} when we apply this procedure on FFT bins , uh , with a Wiener filter .Professor B: Mm -hmm .PhD E: And there is no noise addition after {disfmarker} after that .Professor B: OK .PhD E: So it 'sgood because {vocalsound} {vocalsound} it 's difficult when we have to add noise to {disfmarker} to{disfmarker} to find the right level .Professor B: OK .PhD A: Are you looking at one in {disfmarker} inparticular of these two ?PhD E: Yeah . So the sh it 's the sheet that gives fifty - f three point sixty - six.Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD E: Um , {vocalsound} the second sheet is abo uh , about the same . It 'sthe same , um , idea but it 's working on mel bands , {vocalsound} and it 's a spectral subtraction insteadof Wiener filter , and there is also a noise addition after , uh , cleaning up the mel bins . Mmm . Well , theresults are similar .Professor B: Yeah . I mean , {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} {comment} it 's actually, uh , very similar .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: I mean , {vocalsound} if you look at databases , uh ,the , uh , one that has the smallest {disfmarker} smaller overall number is actually better on the Finnishand Spanish , uh , but it is , uh , worse on the , uh , Aurora {disfmarker}PhD E: It 's worse on{disfmarker}Professor B: I mean on the , uh , TI - TI - digits ,PhD E: on the multi - condition in TI - digits. Yeah .Professor B: uh , uh . Um .PhD E: Mmm .Professor B: So , it probably doesn't matter that mucheither way . But , um , when you say u uh , unified do you mean , uh , it 's one piece of software now , or{disfmarker} ?PhD E: So now we are , yeah , setting up the software .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD E:Um , it should be ready , uh , very soon . Um , and wePhD A: So what 's {disfmarker} what 's happened? I think I 've missed something .Professor B: OK . So a week ago {disfmarker} maybe you weren'taround when {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when Hynek and Guenther and I {disfmarker} ?PhD C:Hynek was here .PhD A: Yeah . I didn't .Professor B: Oh , OK . So {disfmarker} Yeah , let 's summarize .Um {disfmarker} And then if I summarize somebody can tell me if I 'm wrong , which will also bepossibly helpful . What did I just press here ? I hope this is still working .PhD E: p - p - pProfessor B: We ,uh {disfmarker} we looked at , {nonvocalsound} uh {disfmarker} anyway we {disfmarker}{vocalsound} after coming back from QualComm we had , you know , very strong feedback and , uh , Ithink it was {vocalsound} Hynek and Guenter 's and my opinion also that , um , you know , we sort ofspread out to look at a number of different ways of doing noise suppression . But given the limited time ,uh , it was sort of time to {pause} choose one .PhD A: Mm - hmm . Mmm .Professor B: Uh , and so , uh ,th the vector Taylor series hadn't really worked out that much . Uh , the subspace stuff , uh , had notbeen worked with so much . Um , so it sort of came down to spectral subtraction versus Wiener filtering.PhD A: Hmm .Professor B: Uh , we had a long discussion about how they were the same and how theywere d uh , completely different .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: And , uh , I mean , fundamentally they're the same sort of thing but the math is a little different so that there 's a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker}{vocalsound} there 's an exponent difference in the index {disfmarker} you know , what 's the idealfiltering , and depending on how you construct the problem .PhD A: Uh - huh .Professor B: And , uh , Iguess it 's sort {disfmarker} you know , after {disfmarker} after that meeting it sort of made more senseto me because {vocalsound} um , if you 're dealing with power spectra then how are you gonna chooseyour error ? And typically you 'll do {disfmarker} choose something like a variance . And so that means it'll be something like the square of the power spectra . Whereas when you 're {disfmarker} when you 're


Project Manager: Okay . Here we go . Alright , the agenda for thi oh . Alright . Um the agenda for thismeeting {vocalsound} is um {disfmarker} we'll initially have the prototype presentation by our twodesigners . And then we will evaluate it , given the criteria that um that we gave gave it . And um talkabout our finances , whether we were under or over our budget . I have a um a spreadsheet where wecan calculate um our prices for every aspect of of what we've made , given our options . And um evaluatethe product , as a group .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: And um {disfmarker} So first we'llhave the prototype presentation . Do you need the um PowerPoint for this ?Industrial Designer: Um yeah. I just got a few slides , so show them .Project Manager: Alright .Industrial Designer: Thank you . Do youwant to present it ? {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:Yeah , here we are .User Interface: {vocalsound} This is what we came up with . It's a pretty simpledesign . It's um based on a mango ? Yeah . And {vocalsound} we {disfmarker}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: On ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Mango shape .Project Manager:{vocalsound} A mango . Okay .User Interface: Yeah . And we have the company logo here and this willbe the infrared hereIndustrial Designer: The L_E_D_ .User Interface: and this'll be the power point , theon off button kind {disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh . Okay .User Interface: yeah .Marketing: I'm sorry.Project Manager: Oops .Marketing: What was the {disfmarker} where's the L_E_D_ ?User Interface: It'sin the middle of one of the little R_s .Marketing: Oh . Okay .User Interface: And then the other one is thepower . And uh we just have a simple design . We wanted it all to beIndustrial Designer: So it's palm-held.User Interface: accessible from your thumbIndustrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: {disfmarker} yeahpalm-heldProject Manager: Yeah .User Interface: and all the buttons are accessible from your thumb.Project Manager: Notice you have a number ten button .User Interface: So you don't have to{disfmarker} Oh that was a mistake , wasn't it ?Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: You just need the nought . {vocalsound}User Interface: Right no ,that's a zero .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Take that one off . {vocalsound}Sorry . I was in charge of the numbers . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} No problem.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Ah .UserInterface: And this is just if you've got like eleven or twelve or thirt the plus .Industrial Designer: So oneplus one would be eleven ,User Interface: {vocalsound} You can go one , three or something .IndustrialDesigner: or {disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh . You press a plus button ?User Interface: You press thatfirst and then you go one three yeah .Project Manager: Oh okay . I've never heard of that kind before.User Interface: Well we just thought , we have all the numbers here , so we wanted somethingrepresentative of numbers larger than ten and {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer:Yeah because if you {disfmarker} on your average um remote , if you press one twice you just go to{disfmarker} um or uh say you wanted channel twelve , you press one , and then you go to channel one ,and then two then you'd just go to channel two , instead of twelve .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Oh, there's no eProject Manager: Oh .Industrial Designer: So if you did like one plus two you could go tochannel twelve , or two plus two is channel twenty two .User Interface: So the plus and then{disfmarker}Marketing: okay .User Interface: yeah .Project Manager: IMarketing: Okay .ProjectManager: But {disfmarker} Would you have to go zero plus one if you wanted to go to channel one ortwo ?User Interface: No no , th all {disfmarker} that's why we have all these numbers . These numbersum these numbers all work independently up to nine . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah but I mean ifyou press , it'll go to that channel right away . 'Cause you gotta press the plus afterwards .User Interface:Yeah . Oh no . Uh , the plus is only for if you're going past the number nine .Project Manager: Yeah Iknow , but if if I wanna go to say number like sixty five , channel sixty five , if I press the six it'll go tochannel six , and then I'll press the plus , and then it'll go to six and then put the five and it'll go to sixtyfive ?Marketing: Sixty .User Interface: You p Oh . No you press the plus first .Industrial Designer: Oh.User Interface: I I {disfmarker} well it doesn't {disfmarker} we haven't really s I would've thought youpressed the plus first and then the six five ,Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: but she says plus


User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay . {vocalsound} Yeah . That's okay . That's okay.Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: Am I starting now ? Anytime ? Ohsorry . 'Kay , um . Alright , welcome back fro to the second meeting . And um I hope you had aproductive last thirty minutes .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um , and um , I'll be takingminutes on this one , and um {disfmarker} Being hooked up to the PowerPoint for this meeting isn't verynecessary for uh myself , because it'll be more about uh , what you guys are bringing to the meetingtoday . Um , so , the first presentation we'll be looking at is Poppy's presentation . And , um {disfmarker}So , sorry ? So , um , take it away Poppy .Industrial Designer: Okay . Um , do I need to {disfmarker}{gap}Project Manager: It's , it's plugged in . So , um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: plugged in .UserInterface: F_ eight , w . Function F_ eight .Industrial Designer: F_ okay . Function F_ eight . Sorry aboutthis guys .Project Manager: No problem .User Interface: {gap}Industrial Designer: 'Kay . {gap} is on .Right . {gap} Okay . I will take this time just to apologise .User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: I , I only , uh , received my emails later on . 'Cause I was too busy carried away doing my ownthing ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: which is not obviously not a very good part of ateam-working thing .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: But there we go .Project Manager:I'm sure it's fine .Industrial Designer: Um , so I was looking at how we're going to go about the workingdesign , and what we actually need to do , and what the remote control needs to do . And it needs to umallow a person to have a portable desi device , so they can control the television from wherever they are .They don't need to actually manually touch the television set . So , it gives them much more flexibility ,and allows them to be where they want to be . Um , from {disfmarker} Uh , on a functional side of things, we found out that wh from our previous meeting , we decided that there're certain points that will makeour product unique . Um , one is the visibility in the dark , which was um Genevieve's idea . So we needto think about how we could bring this in um technically . And we could use illuminated buttons , whichwe are all familiar with when we're using a mobile phone , or um something fam familiar . A automatically, um lights up at first touch . Or we could use fluorescent materials which would just um take in the lightduring the day , and then as soon as they go off they would glow in the dark . Um , also we could use uman alarm . So if we lost the um remote control , perhaps there could be a button on the television setitself , which you could press , and then an alarm from the handset would sound where it was , hopefullyin the room . Maybe behind a cushion or somewhere .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Um , so that would work . Um , oop . Go back there . Um , anotherthing I think we d missed out on on the last meeting was the fact that we should consider theenvironmental impact of our design . Um , from previous researches I've carried out on other projects ,um we've learnt about smart materials where um um specific alloys of metals have a shape memory.User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So they can be heated andum and cooled , and they change the shape of um the metal . So , for example , a screw that's holdingsomething together could expand and it would force all the components apart . So um , the benefits ofthis for our product would be that when it came to the end of its product life , if it was heated , umeverything would spring apart . So , all the um individual components could be easily separated , andthen some could be reused , some could be recycled , and I think that would be very important forproducts now . Especially 'cause there's much uh responsibility for all the um companies who are comingup with like new designs . 'Cause all , we all know that our resources are being limited , and we have tobe very environmentally conscious .Project Manager: Right , um , one question . This , um ,self-destructible uh metal , it allows for recycling materials ?Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager:So that , um , someone could have this product for as long as they felt that they wanted it , and thenonce they contribute it , then that company can break down the part , the parts better ?IndustrialDesigner: Um {disfmarker} And then {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah they would , um you would make the ,the product as you normally would , apart from the , the bits that hold it all together would be made outof this shape-memory alloy . And that's the part that would um allow all the other parts to be separated


Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound} Well , let's start . What are we doing ? Oops . {vocalsound}UserInterface: Hmm .Industrial Designer: Ah , pinball .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . Okay . Notdoing .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: Mm . Ah . Hey . {vocalsound} Ah .Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker}UserInterface: Oh .Marketing: Now I have my screen back too . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Very good.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} {gap} we have presentations . So first ,it's your turn .Industrial Designer: {gap}User Interface: Mine . Oh , great .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Yeah . Isn't it amazing . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Huh . {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} Yeah . Very interesting .User Interface: Uh {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Industrial Designer . Interfaceconcept .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yes , well uh let's uh talk about the interface uh concept . Uh ,first I'll uh I'll uh discuss the buttons we just chose , uh show you some samples , uh uh discuss somecolours and design maybe , already . And uh my personal preferences . {vocalsound} Well we chose thepower button to switch the television on and off . The bu uh the mute button to switch the volume on ando on and off . The channels buttons , one to nine , and uh off uh uh zero to nine , and the uh button tochoose uh higher channels than nine . Uh the volume and channel quadrants , uh left and right , up anddown arrows , to uh do the volume and channel . And the menu menu button to man manipulate theL_C_D_ uh display . Um , I found some uh interesting uh uh samples . Examples .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: Um , well uh what's pretty standard is uh that it's {disfmarker} that they'reall pretty uh uh high uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Large .User Interface: Yeah . Yeah . Large and and andpretty thin and uh and long .Marketing: A lot {disfmarker} a lot of buttons buttons .User Interface: Um ,power buttons are mostly at the top uh left or right . Um , well we see the the the same uh arrows . Likethere . And uh {disfmarker} Yeah , well arrow b buttons can be blue . And what's interesting is the thethe icons on the buttons . Some buttons have icons like the play and stop , but we don't use that . But uh, these we we have to choose the right icons , or or letters . Uh this is the V_ for volume , but they'reboth uh a V_ .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: So it's it's not really very uh clear what's thefunction of that .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Um {disfmarker} Yeah . So , that's{disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Can you go back one page ? For the uh menu , what do weuse for that ? We don't have buttons for the menu .User Interface: Uh , well {disfmarker}ProjectManager: Or we may have to use channel of the volume and channel {gap} .User Interface: Yeah . Ithought that was our uh idea .Project Manager: Okay . But {gap} uh {disfmarker}User Interface: So , uhhow {disfmarker}Project Manager: You have to put it on the {disfmarker}User Interface: Like this.Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Or or this . And that the menu button is okay .Project Manager:Yeah but , has to be clear that you can use the arrows .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah , okay.Marketing: Yes .User Interface: Uh , so the {disfmarker} The icons on the arrows , as well , you mean.Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Yes . The second one .User Interface: Yeah . Uh , well that's something touh think about . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Uh , maybe I'll havesomething in my uh presentation . And you will see it .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: Okay .{vocalsound}User Interface: Um , well I don't I don't know if we have to discuss this already , or in thenext uh meeting .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: But uh , as we have to uh to to designthe the case and the whole uh remote control in our uh our our corporate uh company uh uh colours andthe logo , I would uh recommend a yellow case . Uh , round edges . The logo at the bottom . And uh ,well maybe each each uh set of buttons uh has uh has his own colour . So , it's good . Uh , recognisable .K so , I think .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Not too much colours .User Interface: Uh , no . Not toomuch .Project Manager: No , it's not flower power .User Interface: But uh {disfmarker} No , no , no . Butthis has to be has to be trendy and uh {disfmarker} and {gap} {disfmarker} {vocalsound}ProjectManager: S okay .User Interface: Uh , yeah so good uh good icons on the buttons , and uh and big


Lynne Neagle AM: Okay, good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and EducationCommittee. We've received no apologies for absence. Can I ask Members whether there are anydeclarations of interest, please? No. Okay. Thank you. Item 2 this morning is our evidence session withthe Cabinet Secretary for Education for our inquiry into the status of the Welsh baccalaureatequalification. I'm very pleased to welcome Kirsty Williams AM, Cabinet Secretary for Education; KevinPalmer, who is deputy director, pedagogy, leadership and professional learning; and Andrew Clark,deputy director, further education and apprenticeships division. So, thank you all for attending, and we'relooking forward to hearing what you've got to say. If you're happy, Cabinet Secretary, we'll go straight toquestions.Kirsty Williams AM: Of course.Lynne Neagle AM: And the first questions are from JulieMorgan.Julie Morgan AM: Thank you very much, Chair, and bore da. I was going to ask some generalquestions about the value of the baccalaureate. Could you give us your views on how the Welsh bac isvalued by learners and teachers?Kirsty Williams AM: Bore da, Julie, and thank you very much for yourquestion. Firstly, I'd like to begin by saying that I as the Cabinet Secretary value the qualification verymuch indeed. I believe that it helps ensure that we are able to give our young people in Wales a broadand balanced curriculum, recognising the need to develop knowledge and skills in core subjects butrecognising also that the purpose of education is to help prepare our children for further study and theworld of work, and I believe that the skills challenge element of the baccalaureate does just that. I meetwith young people and teachers all the time who tell me about the positive experiences they have hadstudying for the Welsh bac, and much of that was evidenced in Qualifications Wales's review into theWelsh baccalaureate. They did focus group work with a representative sample, and many of the learnersexpressed the fact that they have enjoyed studying for the qualification and have gained a great dealfrom it. I meet regularly with individuals who have been able to use their bac to successfully gain a placeat university, so I believe there's a huge value for Welsh young people being able to study this particularqualification alongside the more traditional qualifications that perhaps we're all used to. I think thechallenge is that, given that many people are very familiar with what a GCSE is and, as parents, we willknow what that is and many of us will have done—some of us are so old we'll have done O-levels. Weknow what those traditional qualifications look like, and therefore a new qualification—there's always ajob of work to do to communicate that, if people aren't used to it, but I value it hugely. I think that, whilstthere is always room for improvement—and, of course, you'll be aware of the review that QualificationsWales undertook and that has suggested ways in which we can further improve and refine thequalification, but I think it is a valuable piece of work for Welsh young people to undertake.Julie MorganAM: It's great that you've been around listening to learners and what they have said about it. Have youhad any negative feedback?Kirsty Williams AM: Well, occasionally, of course, we do have concerns raisedwith us, and those concerns are similar to the ones that have been raised in the Qualifications Walesreview. So, for instance, we sometimes have concerns about how some students balance the Welsh bacwith other qualifications they may be taking. Some teachers feed back around the workload issuesassociated with the Welsh baccalaureate. For some students, there may be concerns about the nature ofthe Welsh bac and whether that can impact negatively on their well-being. And, obviously, that's whyQualifications Wales have undertaken this piece of work so that we can refine, if necessary, thatqualification and how we continue to look at how we ensure my belief that taking the Welsh bac should bethe norm for students but also recognising that, in some cases, there needs to be flexibility to ensure thatthe well-being of the student is not compromised.Julie Morgan AM: And so would you say that it's valuedby learners more or less at key stage 4 or post 16?Kirsty Williams AM: Well, I think that, as I said, thevast majority of students I meet report very positively about the opportunities that are afforded forstudying at that level. Occasionally, we hear from students who I believe think that in studying thesubject they may be compromising their chances because they want to do additional A-levels, and I'msure we'll come on to, later on, whether universities, and whether the Russell Group universities inparticular, value the qualification. But I feel that there are particular strengths. And I think what's really


Project Manager: Uh 'kay . So {disfmarker}Marketing: So so so .User Interface: Put on your mic.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} So you forgot how this works again ?User Interface: Boss .ProjectManager: Yep .Industrial Designer: {gap} Boss .Marketing: Maybe . Maybe maybe maybe .ProjectManager: Okay so we're here to talk about the detailed design of the product , 'kay ?User Interface: Yep.Project Manager: And here's the agenda for this meeting . Uh I'm just gonna open , say a few boringwords to start with again , and start taking minutes afterwards . You guys are gonna give us apresentation of our wonder product that I can see some demonstrations of over there . Looks cool . Andthen we're gonna evaluate it .Marketing: {vocalsound} BraUser Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager:Then we're gonna talk about finance , and I've got a lovely Excel spreadsheet that I knocked up in thelast five minutes for this . And uhIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound} Hmm you knocked it up ?ProjectManager: yep . And {vocalsound} we're gonna evaluate the product and close .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Got forty minutes to do this in . Weshould be fine . Let's try and keep this one on schedule .User Interface: Alright .Project Manager: So{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Your thing is in{disfmarker} where is it ? Is it in {disfmarker}User Interface: Three , three .Industrial Designer: Thi thirdthird third . The end product thingy . Yeah .Project Manager: Who wants it ?User Interface: Pedro canhave it .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: I like {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {gap}.User Interface: I'll help talk .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Um yeah so what we ended up with .Production costs estimated by our manufacturing department and um the research department , which isus , is uh fifteen point eight Euros ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: someone forgot the{vocalsound} units thereUser Interface: Unit price .Industrial Designer: yeah , uh unit price {disfmarker}unit production price cost thing . Um we implemented the basic functions , which is just T_V_ functionsplus the locator , which was one of the marketing things , cradle , scroll wheel for uh the {vocalsound}the channels , and uh we implemented the f the the way of putting the new and revolutionary zapping ,your favourite channels functionality , in the scroll .Project Manager: Zapping your favourite channels , eh?Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Scrolling through your favourites list .Project Manager: Ohokay okay .Industrial Designer: Zapping you know zapping .Project Manager: Ah 'kay okay , that'sfavourites .Industrial Designer: Maybe it's just a Portuguese thing {vocalsound} . And um yeah that wasthe result .Project Manager: Ah 'kay . I like the the the the logo on there as well .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: It's very prominent {vocalsound} .Project Manager: It is very prominent .So this is the {disfmarker}User Interface: So {vocalsound} here I'll give you the {disfmarker} so this isthe cradle unit , and this is the actual remote itself . Um so the scroll bar is {disfmarker} or the scrollwheel is this this green little scrolly guy here , um and then the volume controls are here and here.Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Uh you've got the keypad which is the numbers uh f from zero tonine and then ten . This is the power button . Uh we have our um {vocalsound} we have the enter buttonand uh what was the other button here ? This is the teletext .Industrial Designer: Start s the the start uhto to toUser Interface: The programme button ,Industrial Designer: programme yeah .Project Manager:Ah , okay I see .User Interface: yeah the programme button . So this bl this button will be used both forthe favourites and for programming {vocalsound} your uh the um the type of television you wanna use .So um the plastic is the white area of this {disfmarker} of the model here , and the red area is like arubber covering .Project Manager: It's pretty cool .User Interface: So you can see that when it lays likethis or like this {disfmarker} and the buttons are all gonna be rubber , so it's pretty hard to actuallydamage it um {disfmarker}Project Manager: Is that {disfmarker} could that be easy to {disfmarker} forthe scroll wheel to be rotated if it lands on it ?User Interface: Yeah that might be a possible a mi uhpossible problem , but if you drop it {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Not helping {vocalsound} .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}User Interface: yeah {vocalsound} .Project Manager: Oh well I guess it dependson the stiffness a little of it .User Interface: Yeah and it depends on if it's sliding , but I think it's prettyergonomic . You can feel it .Project Manager: Mm . Feels good .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project