Professor D: OK .PhD A: Mike . Mike - one ?PhD B: Ah .Professor D: We 're on ? Yes , please . I mean , we 're testing noise robustness but let 's not get silly . OK ,so , uh , you 've got some , uh , Xerox things to pass out ?PhD A: Yeah ,Professor D: That are {disfmarker}PhD A: um .Professor D: Yeah .PhD A: Yeah . Yeah , I'm sorry for the table , but as it grows in size , uh , it .Professor D: Uh , so for th the last column we use our imagination . OK .PhD B: Ah , yeah .Professor D: Ah.PhD A: Uh , yeah .PhD B: Uh , do you want @ @ .Professor D: This one 's nice , though . This has nice big font .PhD A: Yeah .Grad C: Let 's see . Yeah . Chop!Professor D: Yeah .PhD A: SoProfessor D: When you get older you have these different perspectives . I mean , lowering the word hour rate is fine , but havingbig font !PhD A: Next time we will put colors or something .Professor D: That 's what 's {disfmarker}PhD A: Uh .Professor D: Yeah . It 's mostly big font . OK .PhDA: OK , s so there is kind of summary of what has been done {disfmarker}Professor D: Uh {disfmarker} Go ahead .PhD A: It 's this . Summary of experimentssince , well , since last weekProfessor D: Oh . OK .PhD A: and also since the {disfmarker} we 've started to run {disfmarker} work on this . Um . {pause} Sosince last week we 've started to fill the column with um {vocalsound} uh features w with nets trained on PLP with on - line normalization but with delta also ,because the column was not completely {disfmarker}Professor D: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . PhD A: well , it 's still not completely filled ,Professor D: PhD A: but{pause} we have more results to compare with network using without PLP and {pause} finally , hhh , {comment} um {pause} ehhh {comment} PL - uh deltaseems very important . Uh {pause} I don't know . If you take um , let 's say , anyway Aurora - two - B , so , the next {disfmarker} t the second , uh , part of thetable ,Professor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: uh {pause} when we use the large training set using French , Spanish , and English , you have one hundred and sixwithout delta and eighty - nine with the delta .Professor D: a And again all of these numbers are with a hundred percent being , uh , the baseline performance,PhD A: Yeah , on the baseline , yeah . So {disfmarker}Professor D: but with a mel cepstra system going straight into the HTK ?PhD A: Yeah . Yeah . So now wesee that the gap between the different training set is much {pause} uh uh much smallerProfessor D: Yes .PhD A: um {disfmarker}Grad C: It 's out of the way.PhD A: But , actually , um , for English training on TIMIT is still better than the other languages . And  Mmm , {pause} Yeah . And f also for Italian , actually . Ifyou take the second set of experiment for Italian , so , the mismatched condition ,Professor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: um {pause} when we use the training onTIMIT so , it 's multi - English , we have a ninety - one number ,Professor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: and training with other languages is a little bit worse .ProfessorD: Um {disfmarker} Oh , I see . Down near the bottom of this sheet .PhD A: So ,Professor D: Uh , {comment} {pause} yes .PhD A: yeah .Professor D: OK .PhDA: And , yeah , and here the gap is still more important between using delta and not using delta . If y if I take the training s the large training set , it 's{disfmarker} we have one hundred and seventy - two ,Professor D: Yes .PhD A: and one hundred and four when we use delta .Professor D: Yeah .PhD A: Uh .{pause} Even if the contexts used is quite the same ,Professor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: because without delta we use seventeenths {disfmarker} seventeen frames. Uh . Yeah , um , so the second point is that we have no single cross - language experiments , uh , that we did not have last week . Uh , so this is training the neton French only , or on English only , and testing on Italian .Professor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: And training the net on French only and Spanish only and testing on ,uh TI - digits .Professor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: And , fff {comment} um , yeah . What we see is that these nets are not as good , except for the multi - English ,which is always one of the best . Yeah , then we started to work on a large dat database containing , uh , sentences from the French , from the Spanish , from theTIMIT , from SPINE , uh from {comment} uh English digits , and from Italian digits . So this is the {disfmarker} another line {disfmarker} another set of lines inthe table . Uh , @ @ with SPINEProfessor D: Ah , yes . Mm - hmm .PhD A: and {pause} uh , actually we did this before knowing the result of all the data , uh , sowe have to to redo the uh {disfmarker} the experiment training the net with , uh PLP , but with delta . ButProfessor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: um this {disfmarker}this net performed quite well . Well , it 's {disfmarker} it 's better than the net using French , Spanish , and English only . Uh . So , uh , yeah . We have alsostarted feature combination experiments . Uh many experiments using features and net outputs together . And this is {disfmarker} The results are on the otherdocument . Uh , we can discuss this after , perhaps {disfmarker} well , just , @ @ . Yeah , so basically there are four {disfmarker} four kind of systems . The firstone , yeah , is combining , um , two feature streams , uh using {disfmarker} and each feature stream has its own MPL . So it 's the {disfmarker} kind of similarto the tandem that was proposed for the first . The multi - stream tandem for the first proposal . The second is using features and KLT transformed MLP outputs .And the third one is to u use a single KLT trans transform features as well as MLP outputs . Um , yeah . Mmm . You know you can {disfmarker} you can commentthese results ,PhD B: Yes , I can s I would like to say that , for example , um , mmm , if we doesn't use the delta - delta , uh we have an improve when we use ssome combination . But whenPhD A: Yeah , we ju just to be clear , the numbers here are uh recognition accuracy .PhD B: w Yeah , this {disfmarker} Yeah , thisnumber recognition accPhD A: So it 's not the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Again we switch to another {disfmarker}PhD B: Yes , and the baseline {disfmarker}the baseline have {disfmarker} i is eighty - two .Professor D: Baseline is eighty - two .PhD B: YeahPhD A: So it 's experiment only on the Italian mismatched forthe moment for this .Professor D: Uh , this is Italian mismatched .PhD A: Um .PhD B: Yeah , by the moment .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor D: OK .PhD B: Andfirst in the experiment - one I {disfmarker} I do {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I use different MLP ,Professor D: Mm - hmm .PhD B: and is obviously that the multi- English MLP is the better . Um . for the ne {disfmarker} rest of experiment I use multi - English , only multi - English . And I try to combine different type offeature , but the result is that the MSG - three feature doesn't work for the Italian database because never help to increase the accuracy .PhD A: Yeah , eh ,actually , if w we look at the table , the huge table , um , we see that for TI - digits MSG perform as well as the PLP ,Professor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: but this isnot the case for Italian what {disfmarker} where the error rate is c is almost uh twice the error rate of PLP .Professor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: So , um{vocalsound} uh , well , I don't think this is a bug but this {disfmarker} this is something in {disfmarker} probably in the MSG um process that uh I don't knowwhat exactly . Perhaps the fact that the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} there 's no low - pass filter , well , or no pre - emp pre - emphasis filter and that there issome DC offset in the Italian , or , well , something simple like that . But {disfmarker} that we need to sort out if want to uh get improvement by combining PLPand MSGProfessor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: because for the moment MSG do doesn't bring much information .Professor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: And as Carmen said ,if we combine the two , we have the result , basically , of PLP .Professor D: I Um , the uh , baseline system {disfmarker} when you said the baseline system wasuh , uh eighty - two percent , that was trained on what and tested on what ? That was , uh Italian mismatched d uh , uh , digits , uh , is the testing ,PhD B: Yeah.Professor D: and the training is Italian digits ?PhD B: Yeah .Professor D: So the " mismatch " just refers to the noise and {disfmarker} and , uh microphone andso forth ,PhD A: Yeah .PhD B: Yeah .Professor D: right ? So , um did we have {disfmarker} So would that then correspond to the first line here of where thetraining is {disfmarker} is the uh Italian digits ?PhD B: The train the training of the HTK ?Professor D: The {disfmarker}PhD B: Yes . Ah yes !Professor D: Yes.PhD B: This h Yes . Th - Yes .Professor D: Yes . Training of the net ,PhD B: Yeah .Professor D: yeah . So , um {disfmarker} So what that says is that in amatched condition , {vocalsound} we end up with a fair amount worse putting in the uh PLP . Now w would {disfmarker} do we have a number , I suppose for thematched {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't mean matched , but uh use of Italian {disfmarker} training in Italian digits for PLP only ?PhD B: Uh {pause} yes?PhD A: Uh {pause} yeah , so this is {disfmarker} basically this is in the table . Uh {pause} so the number is fifty - two ,PhD B: Another table .PhD A: uh{disfmarker}Professor D: Fifty - two percent .PhD A: Fift - So {disfmarker} No , it 's {disfmarker} it 's the {disfmarker}PhD B: No .Professor D: No , fifty - twopercent of eighty - two ?PhD A: Of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} of uh {pause} eighteen {disfmarker}PhD B: Eighty .PhD A: of eighteen .PhD B: Eighty .PhD A:So it 's {disfmarker} it 's error rate , basically .PhD B: It 's plus six .PhD A: It 's er error rate ratio . So {disfmarker} Professor D: Oh this is accuracy ! PhD A: Uh ,so we have nine {disfmarker} nine {disfmarker} let 's say ninety percent .PhD B: Yeah .Professor D: Oy ! {comment} OK . Ninety .PhD A: Yeah . Um {comment}which is uh {comment} what we have also if use PLP and MSG together ,Professor D: Yeah .PhD A: eighty - nine point seven .Professor D: OK , so even just PLP ,uh , it is not , in the matched condition {disfmarker} Um I wonder if it 's a difference between PLP and mel cepstra , or whether it 's that the net half , for somereason , is not helping .PhD A: Uh . P - PLP and Mel cepstra give the same {disfmarker} same results .Professor D: Same result pretty much ?PhD A: Well , wehave these results . I don't know . It 's not {disfmarker} Do you have this result with PLP alone , {comment} j fee feeding HTK ?Professor D: So , sPhD A: That{disfmarker} That 's what you mean ?PhD B: Yeah ,PhD A: Just PLP at the input of HTK .PhD B: yeah yeah yeah yeah , at the first {disfmarker} and the{disfmarker} Yeah .PhD A: Yeah . So , PLP {disfmarker}Professor D: Eighty - eight point six .PhD A: Yeah .Professor D: Um , so adding MSGPhD A: Um{disfmarker}Professor D: um {disfmarker} Well , but that 's {disfmarker} yeah , that 's without the neural net ,PhD A: Yeah , that 's without the neuralnetProfessor D: right ?PhD A: and that 's the result basically that OGI has also with the MFCC with on - line normalization .Professor D: But she had said eighty -two .PhD A: This is the {disfmarker} w well , but this is without on - line normalization .Professor D: Right ? Oh , this {disfmarker} the eighty - two .PhD A: Yeah.PhD B: PhD A: Eighty - two is the {disfmarker} it 's the Aurora baseline , so MFCC . Then we can use {disfmarker} well , OGI , they use MFCC {disfmarker} th


Professor B: I think for two years we were two months , uh , away from being done .PhD A: And what was that , Morgan ? What project ?Professor B: Uh , the ,uh , TORRENT chip .PhD A: Oh .Professor B: Yeah . We were two {disfmarker} we were {disfmarker}PhD C: Yeah .Professor B: Uh , uh , we went through it{disfmarker} Jim and I went through old emails at one point and {disfmarker} and for two years there was this thing saying , yeah , we 're {disfmarker} we 'retwo months away from being done . It was very {disfmarker} very believable schedules , too . I mean , we went through and {disfmarker} with the schedules{disfmarker} and we {disfmarker}PhD A: It was true for two years .Professor B: Yeah . Oh , yeah . It was very true .PhD A: So , should we just do the same kindof deal where we {pause} go around and do , uh , status report {pause} kind of things ? OK . And I guess when Sunil gets here he can do his last or something .So .Professor B: Yeah . So we {pause} probably should wait for him to come before we do his .PhD C: Mm - hmm .PhD A: OK . That 's a good idea .Professor B:Yeah .Grad F: OK .Professor B: Yeah .PhD A: Any objection ? Do y OK , MProfessor B: All in favorPhD A: Do you want to start , Morgan ? Do you have anything ,or {disfmarker} ?Professor B: Uh , I don't do anything . I {disfmarker} No , I mean , I {disfmarker} I 'm involved in discussions with {disfmarker} with peopleabout what they 're doing , but I think they 're {disfmarker} since they 're here , they can talk about it themselves .Grad F: OK . So should I go so that , uh ,PhDA: Yeah . Why don't you go ahead , Barry ?Grad F: you 're gonna talk about Aurora stuff , per se ?PhD A: OK .Grad F: OK . Um . Well , this past week I 've justbeen , uh , getting down and dirty into writing my {disfmarker} my proposal . So , um {disfmarker} Mmm . I just finished a section on , uh {disfmarker} ontalking about these intermediate categories that I want to classify , um , as a {disfmarker} as a middle step . And , um , I hope to {disfmarker} hope to get this ,um {disfmarker} a full rough draft done by , uh , Monday so I can give it to Morgan .PhD A: When is your , uh , meeting ?Grad F: Um , my meetingPhD A: Yeah.Grad F: with , uh {disfmarker} ? Oh , oh , you mean the {disfmarker} the quals .PhD A: The quals . Yeah .Grad F: Uh , the quals are happening in July twenty -fifth .PhD A: Oh . Soon .Grad F: Yeah .PhD A: Uh - huh .Grad F: D - Day .PhD A: Yeah .Grad F: Uh - huh .PhD A: So , is the idea you 're going to do this paperand then you pass it out to everybody ahead of time and {disfmarker} ?Grad F: Right , right . So , y you write up a proposal , and give it to people ahead of time, and you have a short presentation . And , um , and then , um {disfmarker} then everybody asks you questions .PhD A: Hmm .Grad F: Yeah .PhD A: I remembernow .Grad F: Yep . So , um .PhD A: Have you d ? I was just gonna ask , do you want to say any {disfmarker} a little bit about it ,Grad F: Y sPhD A: or{disfmarker} ? Mmm .Grad F: Oh . Uh , a little bit about {disfmarker} ?PhD A: Wh - what you 're {disfmarker} what you 're gonna {disfmarker} You said{disfmarker} you were talking about the , uh , particular features that you were looking at ,Grad F: Oh , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker}PhD A: or{disfmarker}Grad F: Right . Well , I was , um , I think one of the perplexing problems is , um , for a while I was thinking that I had to come up with a completeset of intermediate features {disfmarker} in intermediate categories to {disfmarker} to classify right away . But what I 'm thinking now is , I would start with{disfmarker} with a reasonable set . Something {disfmarker} something like , um , um {disfmarker} like , uh , re regular phonetic features , just to {disfmarker}just to start off that way . And do some phone recognition . Um , build a system that , uh , classifies these , um {disfmarker} these feat uh , these intermediatecategories using , uh , multi - band techniques . Combine them and do phon phoneme recognition . Look at {disfmarker} then I would look at the errors producedin the phoneme recognition and say , OK , well , I could probably reduce the errors if I included this extra feature or this extra intermediate category . That would{disfmarker} that would reduce certain confusions over other confusions . And then {disfmarker} and then {vocalsound} reiterate . Um , build the intermediateclassifiers . Uh , do phoneme recognition . Look at the errors . And then postulate new {disfmarker} or remove , um , intermediate categories . And then do itagain .PhD A: So you 're gonna use TIMIT ?Grad F: Um , for that {disfmarker} for that part of the {disfmarker} the process , yeah , I would use TIMIT .PhD A:Mm - hmm .Grad F: And , um , then {disfmarker} after {disfmarker} after , uh , um , doing TIMIT . Right ?PhD A: Mm - hmm .Grad F: Um , that 's {disfmarker}{vocalsound} that 's , um {disfmarker} that 's just the ph the phone recognition task .PhD A: Yeah .Grad F: Uh , I wanted to take a look at , um , things that Icould model within word . So , I would mov I would then shift the focus to , um , something like Schw - Switchboard , uh , where I 'd {disfmarker} I would beable to , um {disfmarker} to model , um , intermediate categories that span across phonemes ,PhD A: Mm - hmm .Grad F: not just within the phonemes ,themselves , um , and then do the same process there , um , on {disfmarker} on a large vocabulary task like Switchboard . Uh , and for that {disfmarker} forthat part I would {disfmarker} I 'd use the SRI recognizer since it 's already set up for {disfmarker} for Switchboard . And I 'd run some {disfmarker} some sortof tandem - style processing with , uh , my intermediate classifiers .PhD A: Oh . So that 's why you were interested in getting your own features into the SRI files.Grad F: Yeah . That 's why I {disfmarker} I was asking about that .PhD A: Yeah . Yeah .Grad F: Yeah . Um , and I guess that 's {disfmarker} that 's it . Any{disfmarker} any questions ?PhD A: Sounds good . So you just have a few more weeks , huh ?Grad F: Um , yeah . A few more .PhD A: It 's about a month fromnow ?Grad F: It 's a {disfmarker} it 's a month and {disfmarker} and a week .PhD A: Yeah .Grad F: Yeah .PhD A: So , uh , you want to go next , Dave ? And we'll do {disfmarker}Grad E: Oh . OK , sure . So , um , last week I finally got results from the SRI system about this mean subtraction approach . And , um , we{disfmarker} we got an improvement , uh , in word error rate , training on the TI - digits data set and testing on Meeting Recorder digits of , um , {vocalsound}six percent to four point five percent , um , on the n on the far - mike data using PZM F , but , um , the near - mike performance worsened , um , from one pointtwo percent to two point four percent . And , um , wh why would that be , um , {vocalsound} considering that we actually got an improvement in near - mikeperformance using HTK ? And so , uh , with some input from , uh , Andreas , I have a theory in two parts . Um , first of all HTK {disfmarker} sorry , SR - the SRIsystem is doing channel adaptation , and so HTK wasn't . Um , so this , um {disfmarker} This mean subtraction approach will do a kind of channel {pause}normalization and so that might have given the HTK use of it a boost that wouldn't have been applied in the SRI case . And also , um , the {disfmarker} Andreaspointed out the SRI system is using more parameters . It 's got finer - grained acoustic models . So those finer - grained acoustic models could be more sensitiveto the artifacts {pause} in the re - synthesized audio . Um . And me and Barry were listening to the re - synthesized audio and sometimes it seems like you get ofa bit of an echo of speech in the background . And so that seems like it could be difficult for training , cuz you could have {pause} different phones {pause} linedup with a different foreground phone , {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} depending on {pause} the timing of the echo . So , um , I 'm gonna try training on alarger data set , and then , eh , the system will have seen more examples o of these artifacts and hopefully will be more robust to them . So I 'm planning to usethe Macrophone set of , um , read speech , and , um {disfmarker} Hmm .Professor B: I had another thought just now , which is , uh , remember we were talkingbefore about {disfmarker} we were talking in our meeting about , uh , this stuff that {disfmarker} some of the other stuff that Avendano did , where they were ,um , getting rid of low - energy {pause} sections ? Um , uh , if you {disfmarker} if you did a high - pass filtering , as Hirsch did in {pause} late eighties to reducesome of the effects of reverberation , uh , uh , Avendano and Hermansky were arguing that , uh , perhaps one of the reasons for that working was ma may nothave even been the filtering so much but the fact that when you filter a {disfmarker} an all - positive power spectrum you get some negative values , and yougotta figure out what to do with them if you 're gonna continue treating this as a power spectrum . So , what {disfmarker} what Hirsch did was , uh , set them tozero {disfmarker} set the negative values to zero . So if you imagine a {disfmarker} a waveform that 's all positive , which is the time trajectory of energy , um ,and , uh , shifting it downwards , and then getting rid of the negative parts , that 's essentially throwing away the low - energy things . And it 's the low - energyparts of the speech where the reverberation is most audible . You know , you have the reverberation from higher - energy things showing up in {disfmarker} Soin this case you have some artificially imposed {pause} reverberation - like thing . I mean , you 're getting rid of some of the other effects of reverberation , butbecause you have these non - causal windows , you 're getting these funny things coming in , uh , at n And , um , what if you did {disfmarker} ? I mean , there 'snothing to say that the {disfmarker} the processing for this re - synthesis has to be restricted to trying to get it back to the original , according to some equation .I mean , you also could , uh , just try to make it nicer .Grad E: Uh - huh .Professor B: And one of the things you could do is , you could do some sort of VAD - likethingGrad E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: and you actually could take very low - energy sections and set them to some {disfmarker} some , uh , very low or{disfmarker} or near zero {pause} value . I mean , uh , I 'm just saying if in fact it turns out that {disfmarker} that these echoes that you 're hearing are , uh{disfmarker}Grad E: Uh - huh .Professor B: or pre - echoes , whichever they are {disfmarker} are {disfmarker} are , uh , part of what 's causing the problem ,you actually could get rid of them .Grad E: Uh - huh .Professor B: Be pretty simple . I mean , you do it in a pretty conservative wayGrad E: OK .Professor B: sothat if you made a mistake you were more likely to {pause} keep in an echo than to throw out speech .Grad E: Hmm .PhD G: Um , what is the reverberation time{pause} like {pause} there ?Grad E: In thi in this room ? Uh {disfmarker}PhD G: On , uh , the {disfmarker} the one what {disfmarker} the s in the speech thatyou are {disfmarker} you are using like ?Grad E: Y Yeah . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't know .Professor B: So , it 's this room .PhD G: It's , uh {disfmarker}Professor B: It 's {disfmarker} it 's this room .PhD G: Oh , this room ?Professor B: So {disfmarker}PhD G: OK .Professor B: so it 's


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Y no , it's a slightly curved around the sides . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Mm very nice .UserInterface: Um , it's almost curved like up to the main display as well . And the little line at the bottom indicates the bit {disfmarker} the panel that you pull down.Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: And the extra function buttons are below that panel on the little line .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: And we've gotthe stick on the button with the company logo on .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: We also have a apple slash cherry design at the top .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} So it is , yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound}Marketing: Cherry would be alright actually .UserInterface: Yeah ,Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: it's a bit more fun , isn't it ? And it's kinda not really at a kind of {disfmarker} you think apple , you thinkcomputers , like Apple Mac .Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah , we might get a {disfmarker}Marketing: Mm-hmm . Copyright , yeah . What's this this one ?UserInterface: Yeah , and cherries are fun , summery .Marketing: What's that one there ?User Interface: Ah , that's the mute .Industrial Designer: For the M_ .{vocalsound}Marketing: Oh , okay . Right .User Interface: {gap} {vocalsound} It {disfmarker} it'd probably have to be labelled mute .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: They're thinking {disfmarker}User Interface: But um , we didn't have anything small enough to write .Marketing: Uh-huh.Industrial Designer: For the first time , well it was hard to get the h um the actual labelling on the individual buttons .Marketing: Okay . Mm-hmm .{vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah . Uh , we just chose simple shapes for all them .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Um , the important ones are thevolume ones . So we made them a bit bigger . The mute could possibly be a bit smaller .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Hum , you separate off incolour the volume related buttons from the channel related buttons , so you've got the volume in orange on design there ,User Interface: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: and the the channel is in blue .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: R right . Um ,User Interface: Yeah, and we chose a V_ plus and V_ minus .Project Manager: all these things have cost implications . And so when I done my thing on cost {vocalsound} a{disfmarker} I had assumed that the only uh button that would be a different colour would be the uh the red apple button . So {disfmarker} However , I've now{gap} . {vocalsound} But um , {vocalsound} yeah so uh but there would be a cost implication on that ,Marketing: I'll see if I can find them .Project Manager: anduh {disfmarker} as I suppose that {vocalsound} so whether {vocalsound} wanted to put in all these colours , would be uh open to debate , I suppose .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah , sisUser Interface: Well the colours wouldn't {disfmarker} like that's {disfmarker} they wouldn't be too important ,Marketing: Have{disfmarker}User Interface: but we didn't have any white Play-Doh . {vocalsound} So that's where the colour buttons came from . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} An important consideration .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Right , okay so um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Andthe second one underneath would be the idea for the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yes , we'll have the slide-away .Project Manager: Right , okay . So we'vegot um detail design meeting .Industrial Designer: Bottom .Project Manager: Right . So {disfmarker} So , we've got {vocalsound} prototype presentation , whichwe've just done , evaluation criteria , um and finance , so I guess w we have to evaluate if that meets the various uh aspects that we're looking for uh from umour previous meeting .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So other than the fact that it doesn't have the second layer , but umobviously obviously it would .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} But other thanthat , we got the red apple . We got the buttons and the only thing that has really changed is the is the colouration of the buttons ,Industrial Designer: Yes , yes.Project Manager: and {vocalsound} the bit after the evaluation criteria is uh is the finance . {vocalsound} And the {vocalsound} and the cost implication.Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing: Right .Project Manager: The only snag about this is that uh {vocalsound} the cost is probably kind of important . So um ,and then the production evaluation , as to how easy that would be to uh to manufacture .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Um , and whether itwould uh {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} So if you had to do a presentation or {disfmarker} will you just work it on the prototype ?IndustrialDesigner: This this is a {disfmarker}User Interface: Uh , that's it . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: yes , this is our presentation of the prototype .Marketing:That's the prProject Manager: Right , so uh as far as the the finance of it would be concern would be to make sure that the cost {disfmarker} aye the productioncost 'cause you may remember that was one of the first uh considerations was to be in d under um uh twelve fifty or two and a half {disfmarker} uh twelve and ahalf Euros .Marketing: Okay .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So , there's no redesign . So that should uh {disfmarker} Right , so , seems to methat the thing that I have to do is is quickly find that uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Could we get this on the board just so we can see {disfmarker} or doyou mean do you have the figures there ?Marketing: {gap} we should {gap} plug it in .Project Manager: Right .Marketing: Do you wanna plu do you wanna plugit in into the the back of that one .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: 'Kay , Alice . So , shMarketing: We could do it as we d go along , the productioncosts , looking at the prototype .Project Manager: Right . {gap} .Industrial Designer: 'Kay this should be then .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay , so , by thefact that we've got uh the simple chip and the uh kinetic energy source , we've got a single curved case . We've got a rubber uh case materials supplements . So ,we had decided that we're having rubber buttons and {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Have a push button interface .Project Manager:Okay . W the button supplements .Industrial Designer: Um {disfmarker}Project Manager: Well , originally , I thought there would just be uh one in there becauseit was the one red apple . But {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Um {disfmarker}Project Manager: So the so the real w the real question then would come in . Doyou make all the buttons {disfmarker}Marketing: Well do we'll do it on the prototype ,Project Manager: OMarketing: so do two , see how much it is .ProjectManager: Well , so we've got one special button form , which was the apple . Everything else is gonna be a standard .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah.Project Manager: We've got special material , rubber , wood , titanium , et cetera and that ,Industrial Designer: And then we'd have {disfmarker}ProjectManager: so , I was {disfmarker} {vocalsound} originally , I was thinking {gap} rubber wasn't special ,Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: but according tothis , maybe it is .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: {vocalsound} So {disfmarker} And the r I mean effectively we've got sixteen buttons that we're gonnahave on there .Marketing: Yeah . I think you just do one , don't you , for the {disfmarker}Project Manager: W {vocalsound} I don't know {vocalsound} is{vocalsound} is {vocalsound} is the sort of answer , is that meant to be all sixteen buttons , and therefore {disfmarker} I mean , what's the op The option wasmaybe not to have rubber buttons , but just to have the one that was soft and spongy , and therefore {disfmarker}Marketing: I think I think it's just it's just aone . Else {disfmarker}Project Manager: Whereas it would be {disfmarker} the special colour would be for the {disfmarker} So you would only have the onespecial button that was rubber , whereas the rest would be hard plastic . {vocalsound}Marketing: I thi I think I think the button supplement i is just a supplementfor all the buttons {gap} made in a different material , rather than per button .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: I don't know though .Project Manager: I would{vocalsound} {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Every design change is uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} sound] I dunno ,Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: um{disfmarker} {vocalsound} Okay , um , if we just had all the buttons as standard , except for the one red apple , then that would take care of that , I guess .We'd have one special colour and one special button form .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: And when I plugged that in last time {disfmarker} {gap}remember it has to be under twelve and a half . As far as I know , that um {vocalsound} that took care of the uh of the various supplements .Marketing:Mm-hmm .Project Manager: And if {disfmarker} What happened ?Marketing: You've just gone off the window into another one . It's on the bottom row .UserInterface: Maybe if you just minimise that one in the top right-hand corner of the little box .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah .ProjectManager: Now , right . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay , so , but the point would be that if we uh if we just did special{disfmarker} Sorry , you were saying that it would be that one , that you would put in one there .Marketing: Yeah . Yeah .Project Manager: Okay .IndustrialDesigner: So that's nine point one there so we've got some {disfmarker}Project Manager: So it {disfmarker} Well , is it s is {disfmarker} no , it's nine pointseven I've got .Industrial Designer: 'Kay .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Just give us a bit of {disfmarker}Project Manager:So , that would {vocalsound} that would work out fine if uh uh as assuming your correction are are {vocalsound} {disfmarker} assuming that that one changecovers all the buttons , then that would be fine .Marketing: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .Project Manager: And there's nothing else as far as I can see that we we had uhplanned to put on {gap} .User Interface: SMarketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I {gap} switching around those th um on the electronics we got the


Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Mm yeah .Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound} I g yeah . Time is it ?Marketing: {vocalsound} Fourteen twentysix .Project Manager: Okay . Lovely to see you all again . Um {vocalsound} it's our conceptual design meeting and it's starting at approximately fourteen twentyfive and so we have forty minutes for this one again and so we'll go just after three o'clock . Um okay {vocalsound} our agenda , we're gonna do an opening , I'mgonna review the minutes of the last meeting , then we'll have your three presentations um and then we'll have to make a decision on the remote controlconcepts , and finally we'll close . SoIndustrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: opening . Um these are our minutes from r the functional design . We decidedour target group is the focus on who can afford it , because we have international appeal and we said it's for all age groups , different um functions of it . Ourmain objectives were simplicity and fashion . {vocalsound} And s um in specific functions are something to keep the remote from getting lost , large buttons forthe essential functions , a possibility for extra functions , like a sliding a sliding piece {vocalsound} and a long-life battery or a charging station . Okay , now threepresentations . I'd like to do it in this order , first do the conceptual specification of components , properties and materials {vocalsound} um and then theconceptual specification of user interface {vocalsound} and finally trend watching .Industrial Designer: That would be me .User Interface: Yep .IndustrialDesigner: Alright . Well .Project Manager: Mm . 'kay . Function F_ eight it . There we go .Industrial Designer: Alright . Um I'm very excited by this one actuallyguys I uh had a lot of fun doing it . Components design . This is where you look at what does it take to make a remote control and what should we make ourspecific remote control out of . {vocalsound} Um . So , we need to examine each element separately , but we're designing a full thing , so you wanna keep itintegrated as a whole . The main elements of remote controls in general , and therefore ours as well , are the case , the buttons , the circuit board with the chipand the battery . These are all things that we had sort of addressed before , but I'm gonna take each one a little bit separately here as we figure out what theyshould be made of and what they should look like . The case , uh the options that I've gotten from headquarters about what we can do , um there's there's theshape of a case , we could do a flat sh a flat case , a curved case or maybe even a double double-curved case . I haven't seen any pictures of what this exactlylooks like yet , just keep that in mind , but these are the options that we have from manufacturing and we can make our case out of plastic , the m the main basewill be plastic , but we have all these sort of fashion and technological elements we can add in , wood , latex , titanium , rubber or other coloured types of plastic .That would be our case . Um buttons , for buttons we have um pushbuttons , which is what Real Reaction uses the most often , but we also have scror scrollwheels ,Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: which can have integrated pushbuttons , or we could go all high-tech and have an L_ L_C_D_ screen .{vocalsound} Um circuit board and chip we can have a simple one , a regular one or an advanced one , depending on what our other needs are . And then batteryI think is where things get most exciting . We're talking about long-life batteries here . {vocalsound} Um we can we can have your sort of basic double A_batteries , but we also have these options of um {vocalsound} using a kinetic battery , like are used in high-tech watches , where you just have to move it a littlebit to get it to power up . Um so simple movements like pushing buttons would recharge the battery . Or a solar battery , although there are slight um{vocalsound} complications with solar batteries as in we can't use a latex case if we have a solar battery .Project Manager: Hmm .Industrial Designer: Or umsomething they only described as the type of battery you find in torches from about fifty years ago , flashlights . Not quite sure what that is , but that's thedescription that I received , so that's what I'm passing on to you . {vocalsound} So those are our options . Um personal preferences that I was thinking through{disfmarker} here's what we've been talking about all through , fashion and simplicity . So if we're going for fashion in our cases , I think that what we're gonnawanna look at is a curved or a double-curved case , probably with a variety of design elements . Maybe titanium , maybe some wood . We're gonna have toinvestigate that better when I get specifics of the actual materials , but that's sort of what I have in mind . And we wanna go for simplicity . Probably pushbuttons, but I'm sort of intrigued by the idea of a scroll scroll wheel , if anyone has anythingProject Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: any ideas on that ? I mean I knowthe iPods and things right now have touch scroll um buttons which are exactly like what they're describing , so that might be something we wanna look into . AndI'm really intrigued by the idea of a kinetic battery . {vocalsound} Solar I don't think would be such a good idea , because how often are you sure that yourremote control will get a certain amount of light .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: But this idea of the kinetic , that you don't have to replace ,and that a simple just shaking it around will make it work , I think that that m would be a very interesting thing . But I think we'd also wanna go for e a simplechip or regular chip to keep our costs down . Uh we really only need a regular or advanced chip t if we're gonna start using an L_C_D_ . So I think we want to beaware of not making things overly t technological if they don't need to be , 'cause that'll keep our manufacturing price way down . That's what I have for options .Um I'd appreciate anyone's input , but that's what I'm seeing for the future of the the look of this thing . {vocalsound}Marketing: Is double-curved like{disfmarker} would be like two hands kind of thing ?Industrial Designer: I'm not sure . I haven't received any specificMarketing: {vocalsound} Okay .IndustrialDesigner: visuals of this yet .Marketing: 'Cause I'm imagining like double-curved is like , you know , like two sides that curveIndustrial Designer: This is what I'msort of {disfmarker}Marketing: and then like one curve would just be like a single vertical-ish kind of looking thing ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah . I'mnot sure ,Marketing: but I've no idea .Industrial Designer: but I'll let you know as soon as I get any pictures .Marketing: Sounds good .Project Manager: Yeah , Iwonder {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: I know if we do have a double-curved case , it can't have any titanium in it . But the titanium , they were quite{disfmarker} they're marketing quite hard to us as being used in the space programme , so that could be quite interesting .User Interface: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Space-age remote .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Just an interesting marketing kind of element .IndustrialDesigner: Just all things to keep in mind . Yeah . {vocalsound} That's about all I have to do , guys . I hope I didn't go through that too quickly .Project Manager:Uh just a real quick question um the weight of these different elements , have you {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah , nProject Manager: no idea , okay.Industrial Designer: no idea , no idea . Um I'm assuming that a kinetic battery isn't gonna take up that much weight ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .IndustrialDesigner: and that a tita titanium is very light , I know ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: um but other than {disfmarker}Project Manager:{gap}Industrial Designer: that's really basic , I mean , that's all I have gotten so far . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Alright ? Anyother questions ?User Interface: Uh-huh . Don't think so .Industrial Designer: No ? Okay .Project Manager: Mm 'kay .Industrial Designer: I have save this in theuh shared projects , if anyone wants to lookProject Manager: Thank you , perfect .Industrial Designer: and I have c considerable notes on the topic as well , ifanyone needs any more information . Uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Thanks .Project Manager: Um if you made notes yourself you can put those on our um{disfmarker} underneath our {disfmarker} oh , uh in your book ,Industrial Designer: Just in my notebook ,Project Manager: then don't worry about that.Industrial Designer: but if anyone has any specific questions , don't hesitate to email me or something . Alright ? Uh I guess I can {disfmarker}Project Manager:'Kay now we're um concepts concepts of user interface . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah , um . This one's so much tighter than theother one .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I know .Project Manager: Okay . Nope . There we go . Here you are .User Interface: Jess .Industrial Designer: G oh, geez .User Interface: Alright , so I'm gonna describe the the concept of the user interface of this des device . Um we've talked about uh the two essentialproperties of the user interface . We want it to be simple and we want it to be fashionable . Um other {disfmarker} we've also got to remember that this is adevice that serves as a useful purpose . Uh we want people to be able to use it s as a remote control , so we need to determine what the essential functions of thed of the device are and make sure that we include {disfmarker} that we've included all of those and that we actually end up with a device that is going to beuseful to people . We have a number of different choices for a design concept um and s that's that's something that that I'll show you some examples of um , butessentially we need to choose how how is this device going to work ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: how how {disfmarker} what kind of modelis there going to be for user interaction with this device . Uh once we've chosen a a concept for it , we can then design the features around the concept , makingsure that we get all the essential functions in the device and uh the extra functions and the more advanced features . And of course we also have to make it lookcool .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: So basically ,Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: that's what we don't want . {vocalsound} M we don'twant lots of buttons , uh complicated features . We want something that looks nice and simple .Industrial Designer: Hmm .User Interface: Here's a a fairly simpledevice . This is an an iPod from Apple . Um I think the main thing to notice about it is it just has four buttons . It's very minimalistic in its design . Uh you usethese four buttons to m to move around a range of settings on the small L_C_D_ screen . Um {vocalsound} the thing I like about this is that it's very very quickto access the main features . Uh you can just about make out uh that the button {disfmarker} three buttons are uh previous track , next track and play pause .They're the main the main features of the iPod , the things you will use a all the time . Um then if you want to do anything more advanced , you go into the littlemenu on the L_C_D_ screen and you use the buttons just to scroll around and and find the more advanced features that you want . So I think that's that's a good


Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . Good morning everybody .Industrial Designer: Good morning .Project Manager: Oh , everybody is not ready .UserInterface: Uh almost .Project Manager: Alright .User Interface: Ready .Project Manager: Okay , let's go . So , we're here today to to have our first kick-offmeeting about uh this new project we're going to tak to talk about in a few minutes . Um so I will be uh Sebastian the Project Manager . Um you are the{disfmarker}User Interface: I'm uh Michael . I'm the user interface designer .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Hi I'm Guillermo {gap} . I'm the MarketingExpert .Industrial Designer: And I am Hemant , the industrial designer .Project Manager: Okay , very good . Thanks for being here . Um so let's have a look to thethe agenda . So , we are going to go through this agenda uh and mainly first to uh {vocalsound} to make {disfmarker} to to be used to the tools uh available inthis nice and smart meeting room we have here . Um then we'll go to uh the plans for project and have general discussions about it . So , the goal of this projectis to uh developed a new remote control . Um it should be original , trendy , and also user friendly . As usual we will follow the the project method um{vocalsound} that we are using in the {disfmarker} in our company . It is in three step as you know . First the functional design . The second's a conceptualdesign , and then the detailed design . During each step uh of each design we wi you will work uh s separately , individually on uh your specific tasks and will mwe will meet to um to discuss and take decisions about uh what you've you've you did and what uh we will do next . So first , we have to to train ourself with allthe um the tools availables in the in this nice meeting room and uh particularly the the white board so uh we are going to go through the white board and takesome um s some notes or do some drawings . So who want to start ? Mister {gap} .User Interface: Ah well if no one else wants to , yeah . Okay so , want me todraw my favourite animal .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Let's see . Well , I don't really have a favourite animal , but umProjectManager: You have one in mind ?User Interface: uh I think I have one in mind , so uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I'm gonna {vocalsound} {gap} about the uhspider because you can actually draw it pretty well in the corner of a white board . The spider has a {disfmarker} spider lives in a web {vocalsound} and uh it haseight legs , and uh it can move all about the web in two dimensions . Unless it's a three dimensional web which y they have sometimes . There are some spidersthat live in like {disfmarker} that have like uh kind of a a big ball of a of a web . And uh the other thing is some spiders can actually uh fly like uh they have uhthey let out like uh a stream of like the web building material but it's it acts like a parachute so they can actually kind of go and find new uh {disfmarker} build anew web somewhere else . So I think they did this in uh in Charlotte's Web that movie that little uh {disfmarker} well it's actually a book first but uh um at theend all the the spiders kinda flew away .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: So , that's my animal .Project Manager: Th thank you . Very interesting .{vocalsound} Guillermo you want to ?Marketing: {vocalsound} 'kay {vocalsound} I dunno why , but {vocalsound} when I was a child I I wanted to be a apantherProject Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} not a pink panther ,Industrial Designer: But don't you think it's very difficult to draw a panther?Marketing: or maybe yes .Project Manager: {vocalsound} It would be very funny for us .Marketing: Uh yeah yeah .Industrial Designer: So bad I don't like it .{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay it's a friendly panther .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Maybe it's happy 'cause it just ate someone .Marketing: Yeah maybe {vocalsound} .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Um . Actually , honestly I I I dunno what's what's his it's be behaviour , I dunno if if it's the male who who hunts or it's thefemale uh , I I I have watched that lions di didn't hunt it's the the female lions who who hunt , so {disfmarker} but {vocalsound} I like it because it's fast , andit's black as well , so it can he {disfmarker} it can hide itself very easily and it's it's {disfmarker} it looks like um {vocalsound} powerful , strong , uh I dunno . I Iwatch a a film about a black panther when I was a child and {vocalsound} I was in that age when everything was shocking me a lot . {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . Thank you .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Hemant .Industrial Designer: Um sure .Project Manager:{vocalsound}User Interface: So you don't like pink panthers ? {vocalsound}Marketing: I like it {vocalsound} .Project Manager: {gap} {gap}Industrial Designer:Oh yeah . Thanks . This lapel is coming out once in a while . It's not very strong . Okay . So , not the favourite animal , but I think I'll draw elephant .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'll try to draw elephant {vocalsound} . It's a problem . Okay , thanks . Okay so , elephant goes like this , {gap} andthen it has four feet {vocalsound} . I don't know whether there's any dist there should be any distance or not , but I think this is the easiest . And then we haveit's trunk . And yep something like this {vocalsound} .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: An eye , cute {vocalsound} .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah , so {disfmarker}Project Manager: Poor elephant {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} and sometimes theyhave a hump . It seems that uh elephants are pretty friendly and they they have one very important way {disfmarker} a different way of walking . So when theywalk , wherever they are going to put their first feet , the second feet will always be . When they'll come to that position the second , the third feet will be there .That's the way they walk . And that's very peculiar about them . None of the other animals walk like this . And they are very useful to human beings . At least fewfew hundred years ago when there was no means of transportations or something , or when they had to carry huge um loads from one place to another ,elephants were very useful . And they are found in um usually the warm countries . And um they are the biggest terrestrial animal . That's what I know aboutthem . So , that's what I wanted to tell about elephants .User Interface: So is this uh an Indian or an African elephant , 'cause you haven't drawn the ears?Industrial Designer: There are two kind of uh yeah , they are very different , Indian and African elephants . So Indian elephant is having one bump , I think , andthe African have two . And then there's a difference in the trunk of the animals , these elephants who are Indian and {disfmarker} So at some {disfmarker} forsome elephants it's {disfmarker} the trunk is having one {disfmarker} Do we have some message there ?Project Manager: Yes . We have to {disfmarker} I haveto catch you ,Industrial Designer: Wind upProject Manager: sorry . We have to to go through the meeting .Industrial Designer: ? Okay , some other time .UserInterface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Thank you .Project Manager: Thank you {vocalsound} .User Interface: We can discuss that off-line .Project Manager: Yeahwe'll discuss a f a fly or do {disfmarker} we'll do another meeting abo on elephants .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Thanks .Project Manager: {vocalsound}So {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: so another important part of the project is about money , uh and about {disfmarker} so aboutfinances . So {vocalsound} we should target selling price of twenty-five Euro for this remote control and uh we have um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} which whichwould generate a profit of of um {vocalsound} fifty million Euros , okay . And we should target the inter an international market .User Interface: So could I justask one question , um is this a stand-alone unit that we're gonna be selling ? So it's gonna be you already have a T_V_ but you're buying an extra remote controlfor it or something ?Project Manager: O this is the {vocalsound} next topic we have to discuss exactly ,User Interface: Okay , alright .Project Manager: so let's goto it . So um we should decide which kind of remote control we want to uh we want to uh we want to go . Should be should should it be um specific remote controlto some specific device ? Should it be a universal one ? And uh etcetera . So um {vocalsound} so I'm waiting for your for your inputs very quickly because wehave only three three minutes to go .User Interface: Okay well , so , it seems the the first thing that they've kinda specified is the price like based on how muchprofit we wanna make , which seems to {disfmarker} a kind of a little strange if we don't know what the the product is yet , but I guess if that's {disfmarker} ifthat's the requirement that we need to to design the the product to actually fit that that price bracket so , I guess we're gonna need to find out what's actually{disfmarker} you know , what people ar are willing to pay for {disfmarker} um what kind of product they're expecting for twenty-five EuroProject Manager: Okay.User Interface: because it seems quite a lot for a remote control ,Project Manager: Okay I think this is more a job to ourUser Interface: so it's{disfmarker}Project Manager: market person yeah .Industrial Designer: Marketing person .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: So it should be the topic ofmaybe of the next meeting just to to have an overview of this and uh in which direction we should go .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So weneed to close the meeting . Uh we'll have a new meeting soon and uh so {gap} the work every every of you ha have t d to do . So um you have to work on the onthe working design , you have to uh work on the technical functions , and uh you have to work on us user requirements specs , alright ?Marketing: Yeah .ProjectManager: Um you will receive some information by emails , i as usual . Thanks for coming today .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: Thanks .IndustrialDesigner: Thanks .User Interface: Alright .


Project Manager: Okay . Um welcome to our second meeting . This is the functional design meeting . And I hope you all had a good individual working time . Okay, let's get started . Okay , here's the agenda for the meeting . After the opening um I am going to fulfil the role of secretary , take the meeting minutes . Andwe're gonna have three presentations , one from each of you . Then we're gonna discuss some new project requirements . Um gonna come to a decision on thefunctions of the remote control . And then we're gonna close up the meeting . And we're gonna do this all in about forty minutes . {gap} Okay . First I want todiscuss the goals of this meeting . First we need to determine the user requirements and the question that we can ask ourselves is what needs and desires are tobe fulfilled by this remote control . And then we're going to determine the technical functions , what is the effect of the apparatus , what actually is it supposed todo , what do people pick up the remote and use it for . And then lastly we're going to determine its working design , how exactly will it perform its functions ,that's the whole technical side of {disfmarker} 'Kay I'll just give you a minute , 'cause it looks like you're making some notes .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay . Oh , well let's go ahead and ,User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {gap} back , previous .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So what I wanna do right now is hear from all three of you , on your research that you just did . Who would like to startus off ? 'Kay .User Interface: I don't mind going first .Project Manager: Okay . Um do you have a PowerPoint or no ?User Interface: Yeah , it's in the {disfmarker}should be in the m Project .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Do you want us to do our PowerPoints now or {disfmarker}User Interface: You know you couldyou could do it yourself actually .Project Manager: Oh .Industrial Designer: Did you send it ?Project Manager: Save it in the project documents .User Interface:Put it in Project Documents ,Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: yeah .Project Manager: Mm-mm-mm . This one ?User Interface: Sure . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Okay .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Okay . Great .User Interface: Okay . Um well , the function {vocalsound} of a remote control , as whatuh we've been informed , is basically to send messages to the television set , for example , switch it on , switch it off , go to this channel , go to channel nine ,turn the volume up , etcetera . Um some of the considerations is just um for example the what it needs to include it's the numbers , you know , zero to nine , soyou can move to a channel , the power button on slash off , the channel going up and down , volume going up and down , and then mute , a mute function . Andthen functions for V_H_S_ , D_V_D_ , for example , play , rewind , fast-forward , stop , pause , enter . And enter would be for like , you know , the menus .{vocalsound} And then other menus for D_V_ as well as T_V_ , whether that means like um we can go and decide the brightness of the screen , things like that ,all the more complicated functions of menus .Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: And we can decide if that's what we want , {gap} , um if we want to includethat on the remote , if that's something that would stay on the T_V_ itself , for example .Project Manager: Okay . Okay .User Interface: These are two examples .Um and you can see on the left , it's got a lot more buttons ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: and I don't know if you can read it , but it says , step ,go to , freeze , um slow , repeat , program , mute , and so those are some of the buttons and so it gives you an idea of s one example . And then on the right ,it's a lot more simpler , it's got volume , it's got the play the like circle set , which is play , rewind , but it's also what is {disfmarker} fast-forward is also like nexton a menu . So you have functions that are d uh duplicating .Project Manager: Right .User Interface: And you have a mute button and then the numbers and theeject , and the power button . So that gives you two different kinds , a more complex and more simple version . Okay .Project Manager: Ready .User Interface:And then lastly , it's just the questions that we want to consider like what functions do we want it to include , and how simple , complex it should be ? And whatfunctions it needs to complete . Uh , what are needed to complete insulation process , 'cause , you know , that's something that also has to be considered and it'sgonna be hopefully a one-time thing , when you set it up it should be set to go , but we have to include the functions that can allow it to set up i in the first place.Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: So that's it .Project Manager: Alright . Very good presentation . Thank you . You speak with such authority on the matter.User Interface: Mm . Left .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . Who would like to um follow that one up ? Now , that we've discussed {disfmarker}Marketing: Ican go .Project Manager: Okay . Do you want me to run it or you wanna {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah , you should run it .Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound}Functional requirements .Marketing: {vocalsound} Mm yes .Project Manager: 'Kay . Alright . Now we have Courtney with the functional requirements .Marketing:Yes , okay so we tested a hundred subjects in our lab , and we just we watched them and we also made them fill out a questionnaire , and we found that the{vocalsound} users are not typically happy with current remote controls . Seventy five percent think they're ugly . Eighty percent want {disfmarker} they've{disfmarker} are willing to spend more , which is good news for us um if we make it look fancier , and basically w we just need something that really I meanthere's some other points up there , but they {disfmarker} it needs to be snazzy and it {disfmarker} but yet simple .User Interface: {gap} Wait .Marketing: Sothat's really what we need to do . And we need we need it to be simple , yet it needs to be high-tech looking . So {disfmarker}User Interface: And that meaningwhat ?Marketing: Like {disfmarker} They like I guess use the buttons a lot .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: {gap}Marketing: I don't know. It's from my uh research .Project Manager: Okay , what do you mUser Interface: Right .Marketing: My team wasn't very clear .Project Manager: Oh , I'm sorry.User Interface: Only use ten percent of the buttons .Project Manager: What do you mean by um the current remote controls do not match well with the operatingbehaviour of the user , like they have to press the buttons .Marketing: {vocalsound} That's okay . I I think it's like the engineering versus user ,Project Manager:Okay .Marketing: whereas like the engineering she showed that the engineering ones are more complexProject Manager: Oh , right .Marketing: and users don'treally need all of the buttons that are contained on there , because they only use ten percent of the buttons really .Project Manager: The buttons . Okay.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah . Okay .Industrial Designer: We only use ten per cent of our brains . {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: Good point .Project Manager: It works .Marketing: It's a necessary evil .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} yeah .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Ready for the next slide ?Marketing: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} And so people say that they typically lose it , as you yourself know ,because you probably lose your remote control all the time ,Project Manager: Hmm .Marketing: much like any small appliance like a cellphone ,User Interface:Lost .Marketing: and they {disfmarker} we need something simple , because most people , well thirty four percent say that it's just too much time to learn how touse a new one , and we don't want to go {disfmarker} we don't want to vary too far from the normal standard remote ,User Interface: SMarketing: but I meanthey do need to be able to identify it , and R_S_I_ , I'm not very sure what that is .Project Manager: It's okay . It's very important . {vocalsound}Marketing: Yes ,it is important for the remote control world .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Wait , is that like your {disfmarker} ergonomics like your handmovements or something ?Marketing: ShProject Manager: Could be , yeah .Marketing: Uh possibly .Industrial Designer: Do we really need t to provide moreinformation on what R_S_I_ is ?User Interface: Like {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh .Marketing: Uh yeah , that's what my web site said , IUserInterface: Channel , volume , power .Project Manager: I think that's a pretty good guess though .Marketing: don't know .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:Yeah , I would assume so .User Interface: It's like if you're holding it {disfmarker}Marketing: I think we're supposed to know it as remote control experts .ProjectManager: Yeah . It's okay . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} But also s so the channel , the volume and the power buttons are the most important on ourcompany website you can find like the specific statistics concerning to how much each button is used , but those are the definitely the top ones .Project Manager:Okay . Next slide ?Marketing: Yes . And so personally I think that we need a modern eye-catching design , but it it really needs to be simple . So saying from yyour slide , your presentation , the engineering versus the user-specified remotes , I think that we should go with something that's more user-friendly .ProjectManager: User-friendly .Marketing: Where the engineering ones , the boxes , tend to make it look more complicated than it really is . Um the functionality of theproduct really needs to be considered as to like what type of buttons do we really need on it . And it needs to be open to a wide range of consumers , so eventhough we need a small number of buttons , we also need to take in {disfmarker} like are most people going to be using it for a D_V_D_ player , a TiVo , whatwhat exactly are we using it for , as well as the age range . So we need a hip , but not a corny marketing scheme for promoting our product .User Interface:{gap}Marketing: And also we found {disfmarker} our team found that speech recognition is {disfmarker} it's like an up-and-coming thing they really{disfmarker} consumers are really interested in it , and since our findings found that people are willing to pay more money for a remote for it to be morehigh-class we could consider it .Project Manager: And so just to {disfmarker} just to clarify by speech recognition you mean they would say , channel five , andthe thing would go to channel five ?Marketing: I guess so , yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: {gap} to just say , whereare you , and thing beeps , you know . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh , that'd be lovely .Marketing: Yeah , I guess we can interpret it like , wecan just try out different types of speech recognition within our remote programme .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Didn't they{disfmarker} um didn't our rival companies manufacture a remote that you would press the button on the T_V_ and it would {disfmarker} the remote would beepso if you have lost it {disfmarker}User Interface: It's kinda like what the remote phone used to do .Project Manager: Mm . Oh , yeah , that's true .User Interface:


Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to today's meeting of the Children, Young People and Education Committee. We've received noapologies for absence. Can I ask Members whether there are any declarations of interest, please?Darren Millar AM: Yes, I have a declaration of interest, Chair. Iunderstand that my daughter features in one of the videos that is going to be used to contribute evidence to this inquiry. And, in addition, I'm a governor of oneof the schools that features in the video.Lynne Neagle AM: Thank you, Darren. So, item 2, then, today is our first session on the provision of textbooks andlearning resources for pupils, which is a video of interviews with young people and teachers. The committee team has been out to take video evidence aroundWales, and we're now going to watch the results of that on the screen. Okay. Well, I'm sure that the committee would want me to place on record our thanks tothe young people and the teachers who took part in that very helpful and informative video. We'll move on now then to our evidence session, and I'm verypleased to welcome Gareth Pierce, chief executive of the WJEC, Mike Ebbsworth, assistant director educational support, WJEC, Philip Blaker, chief executive ofQualifications Wales, and Emyr George, associate director general qualifications at Qualifications Wales. So, thank you all of you for attending and thank you forthe papers that you provided in advance as well. If you're happy, we'll go straight into questions now, and if I can just start by asking you to outline what you seeas your role in ensuring that students and teachers in Wales have the resources that they need to pass general qualifications and what you think the role ofcommercial publishers and Welsh Government is.Philip Blaker: Shall I start? So, Qualifications Wales is the regulator of the awarding bodies, so we regulateawarding bodies. Our powers are structured around the regulating of awarding bodies. We don't regulate commercial publishers nor the provision of textbookswithin that. In regulating the awarding body, our primary focus is also on the design of the qualifications and then the delivery of the assessment. So, it's muchmore around the assessment side than teaching resources. That said, when we are going through the design of the qualifications, we go through an approvalprocess, so we develop approval criteria and we ask WJEC to submit their specifications against those approval criteria and sample assessment materials as well.So, our focus is very much on making sure that teachers are able, through the sample assessment materials and the specifications, to have a good understandingof what is going to be expected of them in the examinations and of their pupils in the examinations. So, that's setting out the knowledge, skills andunderstandings that will be assessed by WJEC when those exams are sat. We have in the past pulled together groups of people to look at issues like resources.So, during the last round of approvals, we pulled together interested parties in Welsh Government, regional consortia and WJEC to look at resources that wouldbe available with a view to facilitating the discussion about who would be best placed to fill the gaps where there may be perceived to be gaps in resources. Ourother primary role is in maintaining standards. So, as the regulator of qualifications, what we want to do is we want to make that the awards of qualifications—so,the grades that people get—are fair. One of the things we do is set out the way in which the awarding bodies will set grades—so, the awarding process, themethods that will be used—and then we monitor WJEC's award of grades against those processes. During a period of change, we prescribe the use of comparableoutcomes as the primary approach, largely because comparable outcomes are designed for circumstances like this, where there's a change in a specificationparticularly, because there are any number of reasons, including resources, why performance may be different from one year to the next, but comparableoutcomes is there to ensure that, all things being equal, if the cohorts have the same ability, the same grade should be awarded from one year to the next. We dorecognise that there have been delays in textbooks. Much of that has been related to the timelines that we've all had to deliver new specifications against, whichhave been far from ideal for everybody involved. We think that particularly our role moving forward will be looking at the timelines for reforms that will benecessary for the new curriculum to make sure that this situation isn't repeated and that there is sufficient time in future reforms to allow for greater systemreadiness. In terms of the roles of others, Welsh Government have a role at the moment in terms of grant funding of translation of materials into Welsh medium.And there is, through the common model at the moment—and this is a model that is common between England and Wales—a reliance on commercial publishersto provide textbooks. Now, that's something that probably needs to be looked at in the future in terms of potential different models for how that might beachieved and also, potentially, around a paradigm shift in what's expected of those materials. So, I think that sets out Qualification Wales's position inparticular.Lynne Neagle AM: Thank you. Gareth.Gareth Pierce: Thank you very much. The WJEC does provide what's required in a regulatory sense, and there aretwo things there—the specification, which tends to be very comprehensive in providing guidance in terms of drawing up a programme of teaching, and alsoexemplar assessments, which include marking, and those go to the regulator before they are published. So, those samples go to the regulator. The WJEC also doinvest a great deal in resources that we produce digitally in both languages simultaneously. Each new course has substantial teaching guidance, which includes agreat deal of useful information for teachers and pupils. And we run a professional development programme for teachers that is free of charge when courses arenew, and then annually there is some charge for those events. They are face-to-face events, or, increasingly, they are webinars. The WJEC also encouragespublishers to take an interest in providing textbooks. We don't have a commercial agreement with publishers. Indeed, the regulations as they stand in Wales,Northern Ireland and England preclude examination bodies from having commercial links with providers of textbooks, but that is something that emerges fromthe three-nation regime that existed in terms of qualifications. So, that is one point that we noted as something that needs to be considered for Wales as wemove forward, whether it would be possible—. As we are not talking about examination boards competing with each other in Wales for GCSE and A-levels, inpassing, that is something that I would want to suggest may deserve review. We encourage publishers to take an interest. At the moment, these tend to beEngland-based—Hodder Education and Illuminate Education, for example—and then the Welsh Government does provide funding to the WJEC to support theprocess of providing Welsh-language versions for those textbooks. So, we use that funding to provide editorial support to the process, and also to pay fortranslation costs, and we give significant guidance in terms of terminology. We have a language services team including excellent editors and translators withinthe WJEC, and we work closely with external translators too, and we use translation technology increasingly, which facilitates a great many things. Beyond that, Ithink the WJEC does see the need for flexibility, particularly when difficulties arise, and you heard there of some of the methods used by Mike and others to getdigital resources available earlier than the print versions. And I should also note perhaps that, as the WJEC is very much involved with stakeholders, we feel thatwe do have a contribution to make in terms of ideas for the future.Lynne Neagle AM: Thank you. We heard in the video that teachers are spending a lot of theirtime actually translating materials. What is your view on that as a good use of teachers' time in Wales?Gareth Pierce: I think the question of translation is aninteresting one. There was talk about pupils translating and teachers translating. I think perhaps we need to understand what causes the need for that because,as I mentioned earlier, there are so many resources available digitally in both languages at the same time. Perhaps an interesting question is: is that sourceuseful for teachers, being able to draw resources from two sources? Another interesting question, I think, is—. The Welsh language, of course, is a language thatis used in an educational context, but we are in a big world that's an English language world. I'm very aware that many of the websites we refer to in ourresources and many of the case studies, as was mentioned in that video—they are available in English only. Therefore, I think another interesting question is: canwe discover what those additional resources are that are worth translating? And, certainly, it would be very unfortunate if there were a dozen Welsh-mediumschools, for example, translating material from the same website independently of each other. If there are a few websites, or a few case studies, in this bigexternal digital world that are worth translating, shouldn't we able to source those early? Because I don't think it's a good use of teachers' time. But I also thinkthat the use of both languages is an interesting one. What is the vision in terms of teaching in a Welsh-medium class, in particular, perhaps, in the A-levelclasses? I'm sure that some teachers feel that there is a way of enriching the teaching by referring to terms in both languages, as well as explaining those termsin their own language. But the impression I got from the video was that there was quite a lot of mechanical translating happening, and perhaps there is a need tounderstand more of the context.Lynne Neagle AM: Llyr on this.Llyr Gruffydd AM: Just to pick up on your point on the additional materials, whose role would it beto asses this or to take that overview, and then to respond to the demand?Gareth Pierce: Mike, in the WJEC, has conversations about resources in the team he'spart of.Mike Ebbsworth: Yes. That is extremely important—to identify, as Gareth has just said, those materials that need to be translated, and noteverything needs to. We've made a lot of use recently of speaking with teachers and the consortia, and ensuring then that we are focusing on those things thatneed that attention.Llyr Gruffydd AM: But would you—? The question I'm asking is: would you still see that as a core part of your work, although it's notnecessarily essential in terms of the provision that you're required to provide?Gareth Pierce: Yes, we invest substantially from the WJEC budget into digitalresources. So, through the types of conversations that Mike mentioned, in terms of identifying needs, deciding on priorities with teachers in individual subjectareas, that can provide very useful information for us in terms of prioritisation. Of course, the digital packages that we create are already based onconversations with teachers.Llyr Gruffydd AM: So, it's already happening to a certain extent.Gareth Pierce: Well, yes, but we could always go a step further.Llyr


User Interface: Hi .Industrial Designer: Hi .Project Manager: Hello .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Oh .Project Manager: Good morning .User Interface:Good morning .Industrial Designer: Morning .Marketing: Good morning .Project Manager: Uh before I start with the with the meeting I have a few things to tellyou about the the setting we're in , uh because we're uh being watched by uh Big Brother . So um {disfmarker}Marketing: By Big Brother ?Project Manager: Yeah. {vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: This uh {disfmarker} These are cameras , so are these . This thing uhthat looks like a pie ,Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: are actually all microphones .Marketing: Yeah . Okay .Project Manager: So you must be careful withuh with uh all this . And uh as I can see you uh you have placed your laptops uh exactly on the place where it must be . And that has to do with the camerasettings , so we don't have our uh laptops in front of the cameras .Marketing: Of our faces .Project Manager: And {disfmarker} Indeed . So they can see our faces.Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Welcome at the kick-off meeting . My name is uhDanny Wolfs . {vocalsound} Uh this is the agenda for today . Uh first a little opening . Uh I will introduce myself , uh and uh I think it's very uh good to introduceuh yourself . Uh then uh a little bit of acquaintance , acquaintance to uh to to ourselves . So uh we get to know each other . Uh that will be done uh with a tooltraining from the he these two uh smart boards . Then the project plan . What we're going to do , and how we're going to do it . Uh and discussion about that anda little closing at the end . {vocalsound} Okay uh , my name is uh Danny Wolfs . I'm the Project Manager . What's your name ?User Interface: I'm Juergen Toffs .I'm the User Interface Designer .Project Manager: User interface , okay .Industrial Designer: Hi , my name's uh {gap} . I'm the Industrial Designer .ProjectManager: Industrial , yes .Marketing: I'm uh Tim {gap} . Um my function is the Marketing Expert .Project Manager: Okay , thank you . First a little about theproject aim . Uh the the the aim is to make a new remote control . Uh maybe you have read uh read the website . It's a very uh , yeah , very uh ambitious uhcompany . They uh they wanna do something else . I w Uh there must be a new remote control . Uh first of all uh it must be original , uh and trendy . That's twothings really uh close to each other . But at the same time uh user-friendly . And they have uh {disfmarker} Yeah , that's uh very important uh for them . Uhthere are three stages . There is a functional design . So uh what are we going uh to uh to do ? What are we going to uh uh make f uh kind of functions in theremote ? And why are we going to do it ? Then the conceptual design . How are going to do it ? {vocalsound} And that's uh really global . Uh because at thedetailed design , how , part two , uh we go uh to dig in uh really about how the the te the technical of {disfmarker} If it's uh it's possible technical-wise.Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh each stage is uh {vocalsound} uh is broken up in two uh two stages , individual work and a meeting . So it's uh it'svery straightforward . {vocalsound} Okay , the tool training . We have two smart boards . {vocalsound} This one is for the presentations , the PowerPointpresentations or the Word presentation of whatever you uh you had . Uh and this is uh only for uh drawing . So uh we uh must let it uh stand on this uh thisprogramme . {vocalsound} This is called a smart boardMarketing: {vocalsound} Speaks for itself .Project Manager: thing uh {disfmarker} Yeah , it speaks foritself . Um and as you uh may have heard , the documents in the shared folder uh can be uh showed on this screen . Not in y the the My Documents . So if youwanna show something , put it in the shared folder . {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker} This uh is {gap} very straightforward , with the save , the print , the undo ,the blank , the select , the pen . Well , I don't uh gonna explain it all ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: because I think you know uh how it works . Umwe must not forget uh everything we draw on here , uh all must be saved . We we may not delete anything . So uh if you have uh drawn something , save it .Never delete it . That's a very important uh thing .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . Uh little uh little {vocalsound} kinda exercise to uh knoweach other .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} At uh the white board on the left . Every uh every one of us uhmust draw our favourite animal ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} and uh tell uh tell us why we uh had uh chosen that animal .Uh important is that we use different colours , {vocalsound} and uh different pen widths . Widths . Widths .Marketing: I have a question .Project Manager: Yes?Marketing: Um this exercise , um did the company board tell you to do it ,Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: or uh did youjust make it up yourself ?Project Manager: No no no . It's uh it's uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker} I I I must do it .Marketing: It's part of the introduction ,ProjectManager: Yeah , yeah , yeah . 'Cause we uh really don't know each other ,Marketing: okay .Project Manager: and uh it's kinda new . So getting used to eachother , we can uh have a little fun then , before we uh dig in really to the hard stuff .Marketing: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: That kind of thing . Wouldyou start with drawing your uh favourite animal ?Marketing: Um , yeah . I don't know really how it works . But maybe you can show us first ?Project Manager:{vocalsound} Okay , okay . Yeah , okay . Drawing goes with uh this thing . Do not touch your hand on uh this little uh thingy here . That's uh important.Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So hold it uh like this .User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: You g you get electrocuted or{disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah , kinda . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So , {vocalsound} um{disfmarker} You must p p uh push a little uh {disfmarker} Good . Because {disfmarker} And uh wait uh wait a few seconds . It's not uh fully real-time , so uhwatch it .User Interface: Ach . {gap}Project Manager: Oh yeah . Well I'm gonna paint in the red .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh .UserInterface: Ooph .Project Manager: That's the background colour . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well ,undo . Um {disfmarker} The pen ? No . One minute please . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah , that's the one . Well , five .Okay . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} My favourite animal huh ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: It's likePictionary ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah , you can guess what it is .Marketing: The the one who says it first{vocalsound} gets a raise .Project Manager: {vocalsound} May uh paint uh next .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: It's a pork ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} No , it's not an orc .{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: You don't see it uh at the ears ?Marketing: Mm yeah , I have it at home . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: You have an orc at home ?User Interface: Very artistic .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Thank you .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: So it's a cat . {vocalsound}Marketing: What's it called ?Project Manager: Simba . 'Cause uh we have a cat at homeMarketing: Ah .Project Manager: andhe's called Simba . 'Cause he looks like the uh the the lion from The Lion King .User Interface: Okay . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} Miniature size ?Project Manager: So we uh found it kinda cool to uh name it after a lion .Marketing: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: He'shappy with us , so uh he's smiling .User Interface: Wow . He does have body uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Huh .Project Manager: No , only the face . Becausewe have we have twen twenty five minutes . So we uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Okay . We have to speed up .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Remember youuse uh different colours , and different pen widths .Project Manager: Yeah . Okay , who wants to go next ?Marketing: I {disfmarker} Okay .Project Manager: Yeah?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So choose a colour , choose a pen width and draw a {disfmarker}User Interface: You don't have to changethe colour and the pen width during uh the drawing .Marketing: Save it .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Or {disfmarker}Marketing: You have to save it.Project Manager: Save it , okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: I've done it . New ? 'Kay .User Interface: You have to draw uh push hard on thepen or uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Mm uh {disfmarker} Not really .Project Manager: Kind of firm touch .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: That one .UserInterface: Oh . Uh hmm .Marketing: Yeah ? Okay . Open . Which one is it ? Smart board ?Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: Okay . And now ? Okay . Okay , thanks . 'Kay , I've speed up . 'Kay , that's fine . Line width .Industrial Designer: By the way , why wasyour cat uh red ?Project Manager: Because uh my cat is red uh at home .User Interface: Oh .Industrial Designer: Oh , okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: And Ihave red hair , so uh must be red .User Interface: It's a very bloody cat .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Oh , yeah , sure .User Interface: It's a frog .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: No , it's a turtle . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Uh it's an apple . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} It's not an apple .Industrial Designer: Must be a dog . {vocalsound}User Interface: A dog ? {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .Marketing: Hmm . Colour . {vocalsound} Something like this . Smaller .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Huh ?Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: Oh , it is a turtle .Project Manager: It is a turtle . Why a turtle ? Why ? Tim ?Marketing: Um {disfmarker} 'Cause I liked TeenageMutant Hero Turtles .Project Manager: {vocalsound} You watched it a lot ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} Uh ?Project Manager: You watched it a lot ?User Interface: It's uh inside its shell . You'll be uh finished sooner .Marketing: No , it's uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: It's a scared turtle .Marketing: No no . {vocalsound} It's coming up . Mm . Uh .User Interface: Wow .Project Manager:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay , Tim . Thank you . {vocalsound}Marketing:Something like this . {vocalsound} Okay , you know {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Very artistic .Project