Project Manager: Okay we all all set ? Right . Well this is the uh final detailed design meeting . Um we're gonna discuss the look and feel design , the userinterface design , and we're gonna evaluate the product . And the end result of this meeting has to be a decision on the details of this remote control , likeabsolute final decision , um and then I'm gonna have to specify the final design in the final report . So um just from from last time to recap , we said we weregonna have a snowman shaped remote control with no L_C_D_ display , no need for talk-back , it was hopefully gonna be kinetic power and battery uh withrubber buttons , maybe backlighting the buttons with some internal L_E_D_s to shine through the casing , um hopefully a jog-dial , and incorporating the slogansomewhere as well . Anything I've missed ?Industrial Designer: No .Project Manager: Okay um so uh if you want to present your prototype go ahead .UserInterface: Uh-oh . This is it ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Ninja Homer , made in Japan . {vocalsound}User Interface: Um , there are a few changes we'vemade .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Um , well look at the expense sheet , and uh it turned to be quite a lot expensive to have open up and have lots ofbuttons and stuff inside ,Project Manager: Mm . Mm-hmm .User Interface: so instead we've um {disfmarker} this is gonna be an L_C_D_ screen , um just a avery very basic one , very small um with access to the menu through the the scroll wheel and uh confirm um button .Marketing: Mm 'kay .User Interface: Uh ,apart from that , it's just pretty much the same as we discussed last time .Industrial Designer: And there isn't uh d it doesn't open up to the advanced functions ?the advanced functions are still hidden from you , but they're hidden in the sense that um they're not in use .Marketing: Where are they ?Industrial Designer: Umthey're in the L_C_D_ panel and the jog-dial ?Marketing: Ah , right .Industrial Designer: Okay 'cause {disfmarker}Project Manager: So w what kind of thing uh isgonna be {disfmarker}Marketing: Great .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: The L_C_D_ panel just displays um functionally what you're doing . Ifyou're using an advanced function right , like um c brightness , contrast , whatever , it will just say {disfmarker}Marketing: Right . Okay .Industrial Designer: Youknow it's like it only has four columns , it's a very simple L_C_D_ like , whereas many {disfmarker} the minimum amount we need that the user will automaticallyknow like this is brightness or this is contrast .Marketing: Right .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Okay cool .Marketing: Right , 'kay .Industrial Designer: It mighteven be one , a bit more complex L_C_D_ panel with pictures like maybe the sun or the , you know , the the symbols of the various functions .Marketing:OkayProject Manager: Oh right okay .Marketing: Mm-hmm , and what is this here ?Project Manager: Cool .Industrial Designer: That's a number pad .Marketing:Okay so the number pad is {disfmarker} 'Kay , great .Project Manager: Where are we gonna have the slogan ?Industrial Designer: Um they're al along this{disfmarker}User Interface: You know , just like right inside there .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay cool .Industrial Designer: You have thisspace here , and then you have this thing on the side as well , or at the bottom .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: 'Cause slogans are usuallyquite small , right ,Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: they're not like hugeMarketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: so they're sMarketing: Yep .IndustrialDesigner: Say a button's aboutProject Manager: Okay .Marketing: Looks good .Industrial Designer: say a button's about this size , right , so you would still haveplenty of space for a slogan , say even for that .Marketing: Yep . {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So if this isn't to scale , what kind of dimensions areyou thinking about here ?User Interface: {vocalsound} Well {vocalsound} we want the other buttons to be big enough to push easily with a fingerProjectManager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: so we reckon maybe that'll be about the same size as the palm of your hand . {gap}Marketing: Okay .Industrial Designer:Yep so that would be about a centimetre for a button , so one two three four centimetres . Plus maybe half o fiveMarketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: sixseven eight ,Marketing: About nine in total .Project Manager: Six , seven , eight , nine , ten .Industrial Designer: about yeah nine total .Project Manager: So we'retalking about ten centimetres .Marketing: That sounds good . Yeah .Project Manager: That would be good . So ten centimetres in height .Marketing: Yep.Industrial Designer: Nine , ten . Yep .Project Manager: Okay um {vocalsound} .Marketing: That'd be good , in fact a pen is about ten centimetres usually , sothat would be {disfmarker} that sounds like a really good size , if you see it there .Project Manager: Yeah . That's great and it's very bright as well . So um okay.Marketing: Mm . Is it possible {disfmarker} uh I'm just gonna bring up the idea of colours . Is these are these the colours that {disfmarker} of production , or isthis just what we had available ?User Interface: Well I'm {disfmarker} We're gonna have again the the sort of the foggy um yellow from last time that lit up whenyou pushed the button .Marketing: Right .Project Manager: Okay so just {disfmarker}User Interface: Um {disfmarker}Project Manager: could you just list all thethings that it does s so I can write them in the report .User Interface: But um {vocalsound} this button um , because it's red it's sort of very prominent , we'regonna use it as uh {disfmarker} it can be the power button if you hold it for maybe two seconds it'll send a stand-by signal .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Excuse me .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Um apart from that it's gonna be used as a confirm button for the L_C_D_ screenIndustrial Designer:Sure .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: and you use this as a jog-dial .Project Manager: Okay so that's like an okay button , right .Marketing: Mm-hmm.Industrial Designer: Oh we've discussed how h high it is , but how wide is it ? {vocalsound}User Interface: I don't know . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay.Marketing: How high is it ?Industrial Designer: No as in the height , but what about the width ?Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Oh ohUser Interface: Didn'tput five centimetres .Project Manager: like depth of the actual thing .Industrial Designer: Do we need five ? I don't think five is {disfmarker}User Interface: Um.Industrial Designer: be about th three and a half .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Oh is this k to get an idea of scale from your from your thing there okay.User Interface: Something by there .Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah .Marketing: Sure .Project Manager: So you can power on and off , what else can you do?Marketing: Three and a half .User Interface: Um you can skip straight to a channel using these buttons .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Um , weregonna have the volume control here , but um because we've got the the L_C_D_ and the jog-dial we just thought we'd um use that as the volume .ProjectManager: Okay jog-dial for volume . And what else do you do with the jog-dial ?Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Um you can use it for um more advancedfunctions like contrast , colour and {disfmarker}Project Manager: Contrast , brightness ,User Interface: Um yeah .Project Manager: yeah , and anything else?User Interface: Um just whatever else we wanted to include as the advanced functions , um we didn't actually go through and specify the {disfmarker}ProjectManager: Well of the designers what are they ?User Interface: Uh what can a T_V_ do ?Industrial Designer: Okay things like um brightness , contrast ,ProjectManager: Uh-huh .Industrial Designer: um maybe tuning the channels .Project Manager: Okay channel tuning .Industrial Designer: Um .Project Manager: That's agood one .Industrial Designer: What else ? Um the various inputs . Are you having a V_C_R_ , are you having {disfmarker} you know which input do you have?Marketing: Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .Project Manager: Okay auxiliary inputs .Marketing: Mm-hmm ,Industrial Designer: Um .Marketing: probably colour orsharpness .Industrial Designer: Yep , colour , sharpness . Um a lot of these things will have to be um free and open for users to define them .Project Manager:Sharpness . Okay what about uh sound settingsMarketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: ? Uh d can you change any of those at all ?Marketing: Audio .IndustrialDesigner: Audio , we have like your basic y your base , your mid-range , your high range .User Interface: Um .Industrial Designer: Um .User Interface: {gap} thethe balance hmm .Industrial Designer: Yep , left-right balance , um maybe even pre-programmed sound modes , like um the user could determine like a series ofsound modes ,Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: and then what could happen would be um when you click on that then it would go to that setting.Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Okay ,Marketing: Mm 'kay .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: is there anything else at all it can do ? That{disfmarker} 'cause that's that's fine . Just need to know so I can write it down . Okay um right I g I guess that's it , so we can now um {vocalsound}{disfmarker} We can now have a little look at the the Excel sheet and price listing , and see if we need to um if we need to rethink anything at all .User Interface:Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So um for this first part here power-wise , have we got battery ?Industrial Designer: The battery .Project Manager: Do we havekinetic as well ?Industrial Designer: No .Project Manager: No . Okay ,Industrial Designer: Um .Project Manager: just battery .Industrial Designer: We need an{disfmarker}Project Manager: And that's because of cost restraints is it ?Industrial Designer: Yep .Project Manager: OkayUser Interface: Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah advanced chip .Project Manager: um what about the electronics here ?Industrial Designer: We need an advanced chip I think , yep .ProjectManager: Advanced chip .Industrial Designer: Let me just confirm that . Yes I think so . Yep .Project Manager: Okay um the case , what does it mean by singleand double , do you know ?User Interface: Um I think single would just be sort of one sort of oval whereas double is this sort of thing .Industrial Designer: Yeah.Project Manager: So we want double-curved ?Industrial Designer: Yep .Project Manager: Okay . Um .Industrial Designer: Plastic .Project Manager: Is there anyrubber at all in the buttons or anyIndustrial Designer: I think we're gonna have to skip the rubber .Project Manager: Okay ,Industrial Designer: Um .ProjectManager: um and we wanted special colours didn't we ?Industrial Designer: Yep .Project Manager: So I'll have to put that {disfmarker} Oh no wait we{disfmarker} ho how many colours have we got there ?Industrial Designer: For the case itself , one colour . It's one special colour .Project Manager: Just onecolour , okay .Industrial Designer: 'Cause the case unit itself , the rest of our components go on top of it .Project Manager: Okay so interface-wise , is it this thirdoption we have , the two of them there ?Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: Yes . One and the L_C_ display .Project Manager: Okay and then buttons , we have


Professor D: OK . So , uh You can fill those out , uh {pause} after , actually , so So , I got , uh {pause} these results from , uh , Stephane . Also , um , I thinkthat , uh {pause} um {pause} we might hear later today , about other results . I think s that , uh , there were some other very good results that we 're gonnawanna compare to . But , {vocalsound} r our results from other {disfmarker} other places , yeah .PhD A: I I 'm sorry ? I didn'tProfessor D: Um , I got this fromyouPhD A: Yeah .Professor D: and then I sent a note to Sunil about the {disfmarker} cuz he has been running some other systemsPhD A: Mm - hmm .ProfessorD: other than the {disfmarker} the ICSI OGI one .PhD A: Oh yeah .Professor D: So {pause} um , I wan wanna {disfmarker} wanna see what that is . But , uh ,you know , so we 'll see what it is comparatively later . But {pause} it looks like , umPhD A: M yeah .Professor D: You know most of the time , even {disfmarker}I mean even though it 's true that the overall number for Danish {disfmarker} we didn't improve it If you look at it individually , what it really says is that there 's, um , uh Looks like out of the six cases , between the different kinds of , uh , matching conditions {pause} out of the six cases , there 's basically , um , a couplewhere it stays about the same , uh , three where it gets better , and one where it gets worse .PhD A: Yeah .Professor D: Uh , go ahead .PhD A: Y Actually , uh ,um , for the Danish , there 's still some kind of mystery because , um , um , when we use the straight features , we are not able to get these nice number withthe ICSI OGI one , I mean . We don't have this ninety - three seventy - eight , we have eightPhD E: Eighty - nine forty - four .PhD A: yeah . Uh , so , uh , that 'sprobably something wrong with the features that we get from OGI . Uh , and Sunil is working on {disfmarker} on trying to {disfmarker} to check everything.Professor D: Oh , and {disfmarker} and we have a little time on that {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} actually soPhD A: Hmm ?Professor D: We have a little bit oftime on that , actually .PhD A: Yeah .Professor D: We have a day or so , so When {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when do you folks leave ?PhD A: Uh , Sunday.Professor D: Sunday ? So So , uh Yeah , until Saturday midnight , or something , we have W we {disfmarker} we have time , yeah . Well , that would be good .That 'd be good .PhD A: Yeah .Professor D: Yeah . Uh , and , you know , i u when whenever anybody figures it out they should also , for sure , email Hynekbecause Hynek will be over there {vocalsound} telling people {vocalsound} what we did , so he should know .PhD A: Mmm . Yeah .Professor D: Good , OK . So ,um So , we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll hold off on that a little bit . I mean , even with these results as they are , it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's really not thatbad . But {disfmarker} but , uh , um And it looks like the overall result as they are now , even without , you know , any {disfmarker} any bugs being fixed is that, uh , on the {disfmarker} the other tasks , we had this average of , uh , forty uh {disfmarker} nine percent , or so , improvement . And here we have somewhatbetter than that than the Danish , and somewhat worse than that on the German , but I mean , it sounds like , uh , one way or another , the methods that we 'redoing can reduce the error rate from {disfmarker} from mel ceptrum {pause} down by , you know {pause} a fourth of them to , uh , a half of them . Somewherein there , depending on the {pause} exact case . So So that 's good . I mean , I think that , uh , one of the things that Hynek was talking about wasunderstanding what was in the other really good proposals and {disfmarker} and trying to see if what should ultimately be proposed is some , uh , combination ofthings . Um , if , uh {disfmarker} Cuz there 's things that they are doing {pause} there that we certainly are not doing . And there 's things that we 're doing that{pause} they 're not doing . And {disfmarker} and they all seem like good things .PhD A: Yeah .Professor D: SoPhD E: Mmm , yeah .PhD C: How much{disfmarker} how much better was the best system than ours ?Professor D: So Well , we don't know yet .PhD C: Mmm .Professor D: Uh , I mean , first place ,there 's still this thing to {disfmarker} to work out , and second place {disfmarker} second thing is that the only results that we have so far from before werereally development set results .PhD C: Oh , OK .Professor D: So , I think in this community that 's of interest . It 's not like everything is being pinned on theevaluation set . But , um , for the development set , our best result was a little bit short of fifty percent . And the best result of any system was about fifty - four ,where these numbers are the , uh , relative , uh , reduction in , uh , word error rate .PhD C: Oh , OK .Professor D: And , um , the other systems were , uh ,somewhat lower than that . There was actually {disfmarker} there was much less of a huge range than there was in Aurora one . In Aurora one there were{disfmarker} there were systems that ba basically didn't improve things .PhD C: Hmm .Professor D: And here the {disfmarker} the worst system {pause} stillreduced the error rate by thirty - three percent , or something , in development set .PhD C: Oh , wow .Professor D: So {disfmarker} so , you know , sort ofeverybody is doing things between , well , roughly a third of the errors , and half the errors being eliminated , {vocalsound} uh , and varying on different test setsand so forth .PhD C: Mm - hmm .Professor D: So I think Um {pause} It 's probably a good time to look at what 's really going on and seeing if there 's a{disfmarker} there 's a way to combine the best ideas while at the same time not blowing up the amount of , uh , resources used , cuz that 's {disfmarker} that's critical for this {disfmarker} this test .PhD C: Do we know anything about {disfmarker} who {disfmarker} who 's was it that had the lowest on the dev set?Professor D: Um , uh , the , uh , the there were two systems that were put forth by a combination of {disfmarker} of , uh , French Telecom and Alcatel . And ,um they {disfmarker} they differed in some respects , but they e em one was called the French Telecom Alcatel System the other was called the Alcatel FrenchTelecom System , {vocalsound} uh , which is the biggest difference , I think . But {disfmarker} but there 're {disfmarker} there 're {disfmarker} there 're someother differences , too . Uh , and {disfmarker} and , uh , they both did very well ,PhD C: Uh - huh .Professor D: you know ? So , {vocalsound} um , myimpression is they also did very well on {disfmarker} on the {disfmarker} the , uh , evaluation set , but , um , I {disfmarker} I we haven't seen {disfmarker} you've - you haven't seen any final results for thatPhD C: And they used {disfmarker} the main thing that {disfmarker} that they used was spectral subtraction?Professor D: yeah .PhD C: OrProfessor D: There is a couple pieces to it . There 's a spectral subtraction style piece {disfmarker} it was basically , you know ,Wiener filtering . And then {disfmarker} then there was some p some modification of the cepstral parameters , where they {disfmarker}PhD A: Yeah , actually ,something that 's close to cepstral mean subtraction . But , uh , the way the mean is adapted {disfmarker} um , it 's signal dependent . I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm ,uh So , basically , the mean is adapted during speech and not during silence .Professor D: Yeah .PhD A: But it 's very close to {disfmarker} to cepstral meansubtraction .Professor D: But some people have done {vocalsound} {pause} exactly that sort of thing , of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} and the {disfmarker} Imean it 's not {disfmarker} To {disfmarker} to look in {pause} speech only , to try to m to measure these things during speech ,PhD A: Yeah , yeah .ProfessorD: that 's p that 's not that uncommon . But i it it {disfmarker} so it looks like they did some {disfmarker} some , uh , reasonable things , uh , and they 're notthings that we did , precisely . We did unreasonable things , {vocalsound} which {disfmarker} because we like to try strange things , and {disfmarker} and , uh ,and our things worked too .PhD C: Hmm .Professor D: And so , um , uh , it 's possible that some combination of these different things that were done would bethe best thing to do . But the only caveat to that is that everybody 's being real conscious of how much memory and how much CPU they 're usingPhD C: Mm -hmm .Professor D: because these , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} uh , standards are supposed to go on cell phones with m moderate resources inboth respects .PhD C: Did anybody , uh , do anything with the models as a {disfmarker} an experiment ? OrProfessor D: Uh , they didn't report it , if they did.PhD C: N nobody reported it ?Professor D: Yeah . I think everybody was focused elsewhere . Um , now , one of the things that 's nice about what we did is , wedo have a {disfmarker} a , uh {disfmarker} a filtering , which leads to a {disfmarker} a , uh {disfmarker} a reduction in the bandwidth in the modulationspectrum , which allows us to downsample . So , uh , as a result of that we have a reduced , um , transmission rate for the bits .PhD C: Mm - hmm .Professor D:That was misreported the first time out . It {disfmarker} it said the same amount because for convenience sake in the particular way that this is being tested , uh, they were repeating the packets . So it was {disfmarker} they were s they {disfmarker} they had twenty - four hundred bits per second , but they were literallycreating forty - eight hundred bits per second , {vocalsound} um , even though y it was just repeated .PhD C: Oh . Mm - hmm . Right .Professor D: So , uh , inpracticePhD C: So you could 've had a repeat count in there or something .Professor D: Well , n I mean , this was just a ph phoney thing just to {disfmarker} tofit into the {disfmarker} the software that was testing the errors {disfmarker} channel errors and so on .PhD C: Oh . Oh .Professor D: So {disfmarker} so inreality , if you put this {disfmarker} this system in into , uh , the field , it would be twenty - four hundred bits per second , not forty - eight hundred . So , um , sothat 's a nice feature of what {disfmarker} what we did . Um , but , um , well , we still have to see how it all comes out .PhD C: Hmm .Professor D: Um , and thenthere 's the whole standards process , which is another thing altogether .PhD C: When is the development set {disfmarker} I mean , the , uh , uh , test setresults due ? Like the day before you leave or something ?Professor D: Uh , probably the day after they leave , but we 'll have to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we'll have to stop it the day before {comment} we leave .PhD A: Yeah , yeah . SoPhD C: Huh .Professor D: I think tha I think the {disfmarker} the meeting is on thethirteenth or something .PhD A: Yeah , this Tuesday , yeah .Professor D: And , uh , they , uh Right . And the {disfmarker} the , uh , results are due like the daybefore the meeting or something . SoPhD A: Yeah , probably , wellProfessor D: I th I think {disfmarker} I I think they are ,PhD A: Yeah , wellProfessor D: yeah .So {pause} {vocalsound} um , since we have a bit farther to travel than {vocalsound} some of the others , {vocalsound} uh , we 'll have to get done a littlequicker . But , um , I mean , it 's just tracing down these bugs . I mean , just exactly this sort of thing of , you know , why {disfmarker} why these features seem


User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: So I see all everybody's here , 'kay .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Yep .Project Manager: And we can startmeeting .User Interface: Okay {vocalsound} .Marketing: What's the agenda for this meeting ?Project Manager: The {disfmarker} I will uh present here agendawith with with with slides to you .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Um as you can see here .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Perfect .Project Manager: So first uh just to mention I will take notes uh of this meetingMarketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager:and uh I will try to work them out and give them to you . I've also made notes of the previous meeting and um I was about to send them you but {vocalsound}then uh I had to go to this uh meeting so you will get them too uhMarketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Next .Project Manager: Um .Industrial Designer: So y youare the secretary also .Project Manager: Yes . Indeed .Industrial Designer: Right ? Okay .Project Manager: Then I hope you all have uh worked out {vocalsound}some some uh {vocalsound} some some presentations about uh about well you the the task given to you in the previous meeting .Industrial Designer: Perfectlyyeah yeah of course uh-huh .User Interface: {gap}Project Manager: Um . W We will uh in a minute we will uh {vocalsound} start with them . Um , we will see inwhich order we will handle them of . Um then I will uh bring in some some some new requirements I I got uh from the uh account manager , I try to work themout , they were quite abstract , and we can have maybe have com some discussion about it . Uh Um about the functionsMarketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager:and {disfmarker} Well in this meeting we should really {vocalsound} try to reach a decision about the target group and the functionality of the{disfmarker}Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: You mean the social target group who we wants to target ?Project Manager: Yes I mean well yes w who are wegoing to uh to well to sell this ,Marketing: Mm .User Interface: {gap}Industrial Designer: Oh the customers , okay .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: thecustomers , indeed yes . Think that's that's important matter .Marketing: That's the big question yeah .Project Manager: Uh . {vocalsound} So {vocalsound} Andthen uh we will close this meeting uhUser Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: and after this meeting we'll uh we'll have a lunch . Good . Um . Maybe umwhy uh Anna can you c do you have a presentations ?Marketing: No , I don't .Project Manager: You don't have presentation ?Marketing: I wasn't . No .ProjectManager: Uh you want a table to to uhMarketing: I c I can talk about it but I have no slides or anything .Project Manager: Yes yes maybe maybe you can uh canjust talk about it or maybe you can use the whiteboard if necessary um .Marketing: Mm-hmm . Well I've just been um presented with some research we've donein a small focus group so , a hundred people , just asked them about their remote control usage habits and what they want in a remote control . Um . It's{disfmarker} probably can't email this to you , I've just got a web page with some data on it . Um basically it's saying that users generally dislike the look andfeel of their remote controls . Um seventy five u seventy five percent of users find most remote controls ugly . Um .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Eightypercent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy . Um . Current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour ofthe user . Uh seventy five percent of users said they zap a lot , so they use their remote control quite frequently while they're watching television . Uh . Fiftypercent of users say that they only use ten percent of the buttons , so they've got a remote control with a lot of functionality but really most of the time they onlyuse a small part of that .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: Um .Project Manager: Do you Do you have this uh information on the web page you said ?Marketing: Ihave an a web page yes .Project Manager: Yes , mayb maybe you can can send an email to me later uh . Uh about this .Marketing: Yep . Yep , sure . Mm-hmm .So basically um there's a breakdown of how much they use the different functions on a rem remote control . Um , power and volume selection are only used a fewtimes within this uh per hour . Um , channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight times um {vocalsound} and then there's things like channel settings ,audio settings , which are only used very infrequently .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: Um . Teletext is used um fourteen times in the hour , so it is used butnot nearly as much as the channel selection is used . Um .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: An interesting thing that this report has brought up is that um fiftyfifty percent of users report that the remote control gets lost a lot of the time in the room , so some way of some way of locating the remote control would be veryuseful to a lot of users . Um .Project Manager: Yes yes , I have {vocalsound} that too {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Thirty fourpercent said it takes too long to learn to use a remote control , they want something that's easier to use straight away , more intuitive perhaps .Project Manager:Mm .Marketing: Um .Industrial Designer: It's it's easy to learn or how do you say it's {disfmarker}Marketing: Thirty four percent said it took too much time tolearn to use a new one . Yep .Industrial Designer: Okay too much time to learn . Okay .Marketing: Um . And thirty {disfmarker} twenty six percent said remotecontrols are bad for R_S_I_ .Industrial Designer: Not enough {gap}Marketing: I don't know how we'd go about combating that .User Interface: {gap} . What doyou mean there ?Marketing: For R_S_I_ ? Respet Repetitive strain injury .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: So . But {disfmarker}Project Manager: Mm . Theythink that or do their doctor the doctor says ?Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: {vocalsound} But it's it's the opinion of the uh of the users huh ?Marketing: Yeah .That's what the report says yeah .Project Manager: So mm .Marketing: Um and then it's got a demographic breakdown on {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:Maybe y y you cannot put this webpage online on the {disfmarker}Marketing: Uh I should be able to actually , if I email it to you now .User Interface: You candisconnect it thereProject Manager: {vocalsound} You can maybe just just {disfmarker}User Interface: no ?Marketing: Oh no , yeah .Industrial Designer: Ah it's{vocalsound} it okay it's a webpage on the C_ it's a fileMarketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: okay .Marketing: Um , s hang on .Industrial Designer: O otherwiseyou yeah . You can connect this one .Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: Then you can connect this one or this one yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound}UserInterface: All to your computer .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Well .Industrial Designer: So these are important numbers that Matthew and I need to takeinto account for our functional um {disfmarker}User Interface: Oh yeah .Project Manager: {gap}Marketing: Oh I need to muck around with this . It's probablyeasier if you put it on yours and then I'll just email it to you . It's just a web link .Project Manager: Hmm .Industrial Designer: Yeah {gap}User Interface: Okay.Industrial Designer: Yeah these numbers have have to be have to be taken into account for the uh both yeah user interface and functional design .UserInterface: Hmm . {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: One thing it goes on to talk about , which is interesting , is the {disfmarker} hang on a minute .IndustrialDesigner: Because if there are many numbers and we need to select to to constraint uh our design based on what is more important .Marketing: Mm-hmm . Yep.Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Um , one thing is interesting is talking about um speech recognition in a remote control .Industrial Designer: Speechrecognition in {disfmarker}Marketing: And who would pay more for that and whether people would find it useful .Project Manager: D do you have numbers o o onthat ?Industrial Designer: Ah okay .Marketing: Yes , I'll just get this up .Industrial Designer: So that we don't {disfmarker} Do we not need any button on theremote control {vocalsound}Marketing: Well potentially yeah , um {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:it would be all based on speech .Marketing: I think even for interestiIndustrial Designer: Okay . Interesting idea .Marketing: yeah I think that would not work sowell . You wanna have both options .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: Well it would it would be a solution for uh when your remote control is lost,Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: I mean when it has speech recognition then uh i then it doesn't matter where it is , my {disfmarker} well it's{disfmarker} we should be in range ,Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: or maybe it can respond and produce sound , so say where it is. But the these are all quite fancy featuresIndustrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: I'm not sure whether we will we can make this for {vocalsound} for twelveEuro fi and fifty cents {vocalsound} .User Interface: Well it would be fMarketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: No you can't .IndustrialDesigner: And we don't know where the state of the art of speech recognition is , maybe you know ?User Interface: Oh . Well , {vocalsound} it depends you knowlike there is uh it's a very small vocabulary that you want to do the operations like you want to say on , off , one , two , twenty three ,Project Manager: Mm.Industrial Designer: But it's quite noisy if there is the T_V_ uh shouting .Marketing: Mm .User Interface: yeah .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Yes ,UserInterface: It's it's going to be liProject Manager: that that that that's mm .User Interface: it's not going to be s so easy but u usually it's going to be more of anisolated caseProject Manager: Do you have some more important factsUser Interface: but it's {disfmarker} but I don't know with twenty fiMarketing: Um{disfmarker}Project Manager: or can we go to the next presentation ?Industrial Designer: Okay . SoMarketing: Well {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: you had toto to summarise maybe the {disfmarker}Marketing: This is now talking about um who would pay for speech recognition in a remote control , who would pay morefor it , um . Ninety percent of the fifteen to twenty five year old market said that they would pay more , it goes down from there , seventy six percent for twentyfive to thirty five , thirty five percent for thirty five to forty five , um twenty two percent for forty five to fifty five and then eight percent for fifty five to sixty five.Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: Okay it's uh decline .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: But we shProject Manager: Mm-hmm . Declinewith age , mm .Marketing: Yeah , it really depends where we're gonna be targeting this product , um ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm .{vocalsound}Marketing: which we'll be talking about later I think .Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: Yes . We will talk about it later .{vocalsound}Marketing: Did you get the email ?Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound}Marketing: Yep , that one .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Just


Project Manager: Yep . Soon as I get this . Okay . This is our last meeting . Um I'll go ahead and go through the minutes from the previous meeting . Uh and thenwe'll have a , the prototype presentation . {vocalsound} Um then we will um do an evaluation . Uh or we'll see what , what we need to have under the criteria forthe evaluation . Then we'll go through the finance and see if we fall within the budget . Um then we'll do the evaluation , and then we can finish up after that withum any changes that we'll need to make , or hopefully everything will fall right in line . Um let's see , minutes from the last meeting . Um we looked at uh the thetrends . We had uh the fashion trends that people want a fancy look-and-feel . It was twice as important as anything else . Um they liked fruit and vegetables inthe new styles . Um and a spongy feel . So we were talking about trying to incorporate those into our prototype . Um they wanted limited buttons and simplicity .Um then we looked at the uh the method for coming up with our own remote . Um looking at other other devices . Um the iPod , we really liked the look of that .Um we also had uh the kid's remote for a simple idea . Um a two part remote , which was what were were originally looking at . Uh and then um there was talk ofspee uh speech recognition um becoming more uh predominant and easier to use . But I think we've still decided not to go with that . {vocalsound} Then welooked at the components um the materials for the case , the different energy sources , the different types of chips , um and made a decision on what we weregoing to use to make our remote . Um and basically how , what were making for the prototype . So I'm going to leave it at that and let you guys take over .UserInterface: The prototype discussion .Project Manager: The prototype yeah . Do you need a {disfmarker} this ?User Interface: No . {vocalsound}Project Manager:Okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Can try to plug that in thereUser Interface: There is our remo {gap} the banana .Marketing: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: but {disfmarker}User Interface: Um {vocalsound} yeah basically we we st went with the colour yellow . Um working on the principle of a fruit whichwas mentioned , it's basically designed around a banana .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Um but it would be held in such a fashion ,Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: where it is , obviously it wouldn't be that floppy 'cause this would be hard plastic . These would be like the rubber , the rubber grips .So that's so that would hopefully help with grip , or like the ergonomics of it . Um but all the controlling would be done with this scroll wheel . You have to useyour imagination a little bit . And this here represents the screen , where you , where you'd go through .Project Manager: Very nice .User Interface: And the thesimplest functions would be um almost identical to an iPod , where that one way ch through channels , that way th other way through channels . Volume up anddown . And then to access the more complicated functions you'd you sorta go , you press that and go through the menus . It's that that simple . That justrepresents the infrared uh beam . That's a simple on and off switch . Um I don't know , we could use the voice . T that blue bits should be yellow , that that'd bewhere the batteries would be I suppose . And um {vocalsound} that's about it . It's as simple as you , we could make it really .Industrial Designer: Right .UserInterface: Is there anything you want to add ?Industrial Designer: That's what we have there . That's plastic . Plastic covered with rubber . We might uh addsome more underneath here . Maybe give it , give it a form . I mean you're supposed to hold it like that , but um just if you grab it , take it from somewhere ,UserInterface: Yeah .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: so {disfmarker} yeah ,User Interface: Doesn't make much make much difference .IndustrialDesigner: you have some rub yeah .User Interface: You could work left-handed or right-handed I suppose .Industrial Designer: Exactly , {gap} use both . Mightas well think about {disfmarker}User Interface: T the actual thing might be smaller .Industrial Designer: Th think about the button as well . Like either put eitherone {gap} one on either side orUser Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: What but what's that button ?Industrial Designer: not do it at all . It's aquick on-off button .User Interface: Just the on and off .Project Manager: Uh , 'kay .Industrial Designer: That's umMarketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:yeah I think it's pretty important . So you don't have to fiddle with that .Project Manager: 'Kay .Industrial Designer: Right ? Um that's not um {disfmarker}ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'd say a bit smaller would probably be nice . You wanna play with that over there .User Interface: Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: There you go .User Interface: It's you know it's flimsy 'cause it's made out of heavy Play-Doh ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Would youlike to uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Right .User Interface: but {disfmarker}Marketing: Pretty impressive .Project Manager: Well done .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Kind of a banana .User Interface: And whether or not it would fall into the cost {gap} everything I suppose . With thescroll and the L_C_D_ .Project Manager: Well luckily we are going to find out . Or not luckily . Um do you have a marketing presentation for us .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} I do . Okay . You guys are gonna help me do an evaluation of the criteria . Um . Okay . So first I'll just discusssome of the criteria that I found . Just based on the past trend reports that I was looking at earlier . And then we'll do a group evaluation of the prototype . Andthen we will calculate the average score to see how we did . Um so the criteria we're gonna be looking at are the complaints um that we heard from the users whowere interviewed earlier . So we're gonna be doing it based on a seven point scale . And one is going to mean true , that we did actually achieve that . With sevenbeing false , we did not achieve that . {gap} . Okay . So for the first one , we need to decide , did we solved the problem of the users who complained about anugly remote ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I think it's definitely different thananything else out there .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: So if they think that what is out there is ugly , thenyes I would say , I would say most definitely .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: I would {gap} .Project Manager: It's bright .User Interface: It's bright . It's{disfmarker}Project Manager: It still has your traditional black .User Interface: It's curved . It's not {disfmarker} there's no sharpIndustrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: angles to it .Project Manager: Yep , not angular .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: I'd say , when it comes to the ergonomics , theform and stuff , yes that's definitely more beautiful than your average .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: However the colour , we don't have a say inthat .Marketing: Yeah I think the colours detract a little bit . {vocalsound}User Interface: Some people might say it . Yeah .Industrial Designer: That has been ,that has been dictated pretty much by the company .Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: So uh to answer that honestly I would rather say like uh , wehave not solved the problem completely with the ugly remote because the colour is ugly , definitely .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yep .Marketing: That's true .Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: 'S nothing you can say about that . I mean I much prefer something like brushedchrome with that form .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: But {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah something more modern to go {disfmarker} a amodern colour to go with the modern form .Industrial Designer: Right . Right . It's different . You don't want your uh three feet huge L_C_D_ dis display in yourliving room that's hanging from the wall to be controlled with something like that .Marketing: Um okay so , do you think , since we {disfmarker} This was a a signcriteria , do you think maybe we should put it somewhere in the middle then ?Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Does that sound good ?Project Manager:Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: What do you think ? Three ? Four ?Project Manager: I would sayMarketing: Five ?ProjectManager: four . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Four is fair . Okay .Project Manager: Very non-committal , four.Marketing: Okay , the second one . Did we make it simple for new users ?Industrial Designer: It's very intuitive , I think yeah .User Interface: Yeah . I think thatwas the main aim , one of the main aims that we had .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} S give it a one .Marketing: One ,Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: 'kay. Okay . Um , do the controls now match the operating behaviour of the users ?User Interface: Uh yeah . 'Cause we've we've brought it down to basically fourcontrols {gap} most common , which are channel and volume .Marketing: I'd say that {disfmarker}Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Right .UserInterface: And then the other ones are just a matter of just going , just scrolling further .Project Manager: S scrolling through and selecting a few .IndustrialDesigner: Right . So that's a one .Marketing: So one ?Project Manager: I think that's a one .Marketing: Yeah ? {vocalsound} Okay . Okay um the fourth one .How about the problem of a remote being easily lost ? One of the number one complaints .Industrial Designer: Something that big and that yellow you just don'tlose anymore .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} Whether you want to or not , you're not gonna lose it. {vocalsound}User Interface: It's bright yellow .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Bright yellow's hard to lose . But um if we were to , if we were, that , the speech recognition . That , we could maybe just use that solely for the the finding thing . That was what we'd we'd mentioned .Project Manager: So ifwe incorporate speech recognition into it then it could {disfmarker}User Interface: Just just to use , to find it when it was lost . But like I said , like I don't thinkyou'd lose something so yellow so easily .Industrial Designer: Oops . Hmm .User Interface: And it's not gonna fall , like a rectangle would slip down behind things. That's gonna be a difficult shape to {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Well what {disfmarker}Project Manager: And it is quite bright and {disfmarker}UserInterface: Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Maybe in the middle again , three or four or something ?Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: SMarketing: Okay .User Interface: I mean you know {gap} loo losing things is one of those things that people can lose , I mean a million ways .ProjectManager: Yeah .User Interface: You can pick it up and walk away with it and then you've lost it .Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: That's true .ProjectManager: But if we do go with the , with the speech recognition , then it , then our scale goes up quite a bit I think .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: Oh yeah


Project Manager: Mm-hmm ? Okay . Ooh .User Interface: {gap}Industrial Designer: So we're 'kay ? On the {gap} or {disfmarker} No . I dunno where to put it'cause the {disfmarker} Okay . Could you s take it off ? {gap} .Marketing: Is that alright ? {vocalsound} {gap} or {disfmarker} Okay .Industrial Designer: Okay.Marketing: Keeps coming off . 'S fiddly .Project Manager: Hmm . {gap}Marketing: {vocalsound} Right .Project Manager: How do we sta wa how do we start ?Does anybody know ?Marketing: Oh , another one .Project Manager: So that's this {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh okay ,right .Industrial Designer: Are we free to take notes uh {disfmarker} Okay .Project Manager: Uh {vocalsound} {gap} . {vocalsound} {gap} . Hmm . Okay , justhang on a second everybody . I haven't actually looked at this yet .Marketing: {vocalsound} Ah .Project Manager: {gap} um {disfmarker}Marketing: Very nice.Project Manager: I haven't looked at it , but let's just start it off and we'll see what happens . If you're all ready .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: So{gap} is the agenda ? Opening , acquaintance , tool training and project plan , discussion and then closing . Project aim is a new remote control . It's original , uhtrendy and it's user-friendly .Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: Project method , functional design , individual work , another meeting , conceptual design ,individual work , and a meeting of details design , individual work and a meeting . Tool training . Try out the whiteboard , every participant should draw theirfavourite animal and sum up their favourite characteristics of that animal .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Um . Uh Miss Industrial Designer , would you like togo first ?Industrial Designer: Okay . So are we supposed to bring the little things for the {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah , why don't you just c , I think justclip on {disfmarker} clipMarketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {disfmarker} do you have a belt ?Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: Clip {gap} .ProjectManager: Or put 'em in your pocket , yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound} {gap} okay . So my favourite animal {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah ,what's your favourite animal ?Industrial Designer: 'Kay um {disfmarker}Marketing: Ah .Project Manager: Is it rude ?Marketing: It's an elephant .{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: That's a very good elephant .User Interface: The back end of an elephant .Marketing: Oh my gosh ,I'm never gonna be able to draw that well . {vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay , and you want to write up on there , it says you've gotta sum up your f f yourfavourite characteristics of that animal .Industrial Designer: Um {vocalsound} okay , it's big , it's got a great memory .Marketing: Does it ? Oh .IndustrialDesigner: Supposed to have a great memory , we say an elephant never forgets .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: And uh dunno knowwhy but {vocalsound} looks like nice to me .Project Manager: Okay . Wonderful , well done .Industrial Designer: Nice animal .Project Manager: Do you want touse the wipe {disfmarker} the m the wiper and wipe it off ?Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: And Mister aesthetics designer do you wanna go next?User Interface: {vocalsound} Aesthetic yep , sure .Marketing: I have no idea what my favourite animal is .User Interface: 'Kay , my favourite animal ,Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: uh let's see .Marketing: Oh .User Interface: Dunno if any of you have seen Napoleon Dynamite before .Marketing: It's{disfmarker}User Interface: It's a liger {vocalsound} ,Project Manager: No .Marketing: A what ?User Interface: a combination of a lion and tiger {vocalsound}.Marketing: Alright .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Have you not seen Napoleon Dynamite ?Marketing: How{gap} .Project Manager: No .Industrial Designer: No .User Interface: Oh it's a hilarious movie .Marketing: No .User Interface: You have to see it . And and it'sbest characteristic is it's pretty much the awesomest animal . But you have to see the movie to fully appreciate it . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay , welldone .Marketing: Great . Me ?Project Manager: Yeah . Miss mar Miss Marketing ?Marketing: Okay . Not quite sure how this is gonna work .User Interface: There{gap} go .Marketing: {vocalsound} Cool . {vocalsound} Uh {vocalsound} well I'll try my best {vocalsound} to draw . Can I just draw the face ?Project Manager:Um yeah , I think you can just draw the face , but then you'll have to describe in writing how the rest of it looks . {vocalsound}Marketing: Ooh . It's a cat .ProjectManager: That's a very pr pretty cat .Marketing: {vocalsound} Which also has what ? A big fat body and big {disfmarker} and a long tail .Project Manager: Okay ,do y do you wanna do some {disfmarker} write {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Why ?Project Manager: you wanna just write some words about it?Marketing: Because um cuddly . And usually cats are very friendly . Usually . And they're healing as well . They heal . And they can feel when a human's gotproblems so {disfmarker}Project Manager: Wow , so they're kinda spiritual .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: So , that's why I like cats .ProjectManager: Well done .Marketing: There we are , that's me . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um , I don't actuallyhave a favourite animal ,Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: but for the for th for this meeting I'll s draw a little {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} Mm-hmm.Project Manager: Uh . I honestly can't draw for toffee . Uh .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Really ?Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Oh that's a {disfmarker}Project Manager: {gap} noUser Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: A prairie dog ?Project Manager: {gap} no {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh a squirrel ?ProjectManager: That's exactly what it is .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh not a very good one {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Not badI would say .User Interface: Yeah , that's pretty good .Project Manager: Okay , well , you got it's a s It's a squirrel , and I like them , because they're cute andstupid .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Very good .Marketing: Ah .User Interface: Alright .Project Manager: Right . Okay , so , I guess that wasthe test to see if this equipment is all working .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm . Let's move on to the next page . Okay , project finance , sellingprice twenty five Euros , profit aim fifty million Euros .Marketing: Market range internationally sold .Project Manager: Yeah . Production cost , ah right it's gotta be{disfmarker} can't cost any more than twelve fifty to make .Marketing: Ah right okay .Project Manager: {gap} experience with with remote control , so talk aboutwho who's used what . Any ideas ? Stuff like that . Next meeting starts in thirty minutes . {vocalsound} At quarter to twelve . {vocalsound}User Interface: So Ithink before we close uh , we are expected {disfmarker} I mean the last slide wanted us to maybe discuss longer what our what our ideas where . I mean if youwanna go back to the last slide . Uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: SMarketing: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah , I think we're {disfmarker} Imean before we close the meeting , we're supposed to come up with some ideas for {disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh k so we're actually supposed to be doingthis discussion like right now are we or {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: oh okay .Industrial Designer: Mm .User Interface:Yeah .Project Manager: I thought this was just t giving us instructions for the re to do next , but {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah , I think this is just thepreliminary , get some rough ideas for what our experiences with remote controls have been and and what we would {disfmarker} roughly what we wouldincorporate into a new one maybe .Project Manager: Okay . Right , who's got experiences with remote controls then ? Pretty much everybody .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: Yeah , I think we've all got {disfmarker}Marketing: Uh . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um .Industrial Designer: Isthis a T_V_ one we are supposed to make ?Marketing: Yeah . Yeah it's a T_V_ remote control .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: 'Kay um .Marketing:Well . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: TMarketing: A new remote control for T_V_ . What would I like ? {vocalsound} Um .Project Manager: W what{disfmarker} You want it big do you want it small . Are we are we going for like like telephones are going little teeny tiny things or we are going for somethingthat's that's big and {disfmarker}Marketing: Medium .User Interface: Mm . Yeah it seems like there's like {disfmarker} there's sort of a tension between twoideas , I mean , you want you want one remote that maybe can work uh all all of the functions of T_V_ and if you have whatever associated with T_V_ theD_V_D_ player , or something like that ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} Video and ts hi-fi and stuff .User Interface: but like at the same time you don't wannareally busy remote with a thousand buttons on it or something .Project Manager: Maybe you {disfmarker} yeahUser Interface: Mm .Project Manager: now ththat's the other thing is it's gotta be cheap .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: 'Cause I I I mean I was thinking something that's got different like maybe a aan L_C_D_ display on it that's got different pages for different devices ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: but that would p that would probably be quiteexpensive .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: But how do we know how much uh , I mean , how much do we have per {disfmarker} how much ?Marketing:Twelve fifty .Industrial Designer: Twelve fifty . {vocalsound}User Interface: It g can't be more than twelve fifty per unit .Marketing: Each .Project Manager: Perunit , yeah .User Interface: Cost .Industrial Designer: So do we have to be realistic within the budget or {disfmarker}Project Manager: Well at the moment wecould , wa I mean we {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Close pr I don't know how much it would cost . Yeah .Marketing: Guess {disfmarker}Project Manager:'cause we this is what we th what we're doing at the moment is just saying what what we'd like , and then after we after we've found out what we can like , somedifferent ideas , we can then go and do the research to find out if these {disfmarker} any of these ideas are feasible or not .Industrial Designer: Right .ProjectManager: So would be nice to have something that that controls lots of different things .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Um .Marketing: Couldn't we havelike one that comes out ? {vocalsound} Like so you have one in like {disfmarker} mmIndustrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: it doesn't have to be really thick . Imean remote controls can be thin bits . And then you have one for your D_V_D_ and you sort of slide it out , and then you have another one , you slide it out.Project Manager: {vocalsound} 'Kay .Marketing: {gap} have slides . And then it all comes compactProject Manager: Okay , that's {gap} .Marketing: into one .


Marketing: I wanna find our if our remote works .Project Manager: Me too . {vocalsound}Marketing: Oh . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . Um here's theagenda for our last meeting .Marketing: Whoohoo .Project Manager: Um after the opening we're going to have a prototype presentation , then we're going todiscuss the evaluation criteria and the financing of our remote . Then we're going to evaluate the product and I think the whole production process , and thenwe're gonna close it up , and we have forty minutes , so let's get started . Oh , no , let's have the prototype presentation .Industrial Designer: Mm 'kay ,UserInterface: {gap}Industrial Designer: you ready ?User Interface: Um sure . You or me ?Industrial Designer: Y you read that stuff , since you wrote it .UserInterface: Okay . Well , since our materials aren't exactly what we were going for , I'm just gonna translate what this all means for you .Industrial Designer: I'llbe the Vanna .User Interface: {vocalsound} The base is gonna be gunmetal gray , which is what we had decided , and it's gonna be plastic . Um then there's thelatex cover , which is what you see as red . Um because it can be replaceable , we just kinda went with the colour .Project Manager: Right .User Interface: Umand then the buttons are actually kind of poking through rather than on top . Um and the buttons will be a l much lighter blue , almost see-through .ProjectManager: Hmm .User Interface: It's just sort of a very pale blue and a light-up yellow .Marketing: That's nice .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: The wholething lights up if you press any button , rather than it {disfmarker} just that one button will light up .Marketing: Good .User Interface: Um and then at the bottomwe have our logo . Um bright yellow sort of design with the R_R_ {vocalsound} which will actually look like our logo .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Great .UserInterface: And then on the side you have the buttons . {vocalsound} They're one button , but they kind of push up and down .Project Manager: Okay .UserInterface: I don't think they're scrolling .Industrial Designer: No . They're just buttons .User Interface: {vocalsound} Right , yeah . And then {disfmarker} yeah ,the buttons .Industrial Designer: On off switch will be here and as you've noticed on our prototype um they've ended up with a curvature kind of , by concave sortof thing , except for , you know , {gap} can't see underneath .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: So I'm hoping that when we get to production we canactually make them like that , because they're very nice to stock {gap} you know , stick your finger in . Um the two squared buttons are are two probably leastused , menu , mute ,User Interface: Thumb-shaped .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: and then these are the numbers , so our channel and our volume willbe on either side .User Interface: Yeah . And then the last thing is just that it'll be black labelling on top , just which we didn't do . {vocalsound}Project Manager:Okay . And did you determine um the curvature of the bottom part of it for the hand , is it gonna be a single or a double ?User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: I'd say a single .Project Manager: Single . Single sounds good ,User Interface: Single .Project Manager: 'cause it's not big enough to really constitute adouble .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah , it's only actually the size of my hand .User Interface: Right .Project Manager: Great . Great . I think you didan awesome job .Marketing: Yeah , I think it's a beautiful {disfmarker}Project Manager: It is beautiful , and it's everything that we discussed .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah . Good job , you guys .Project Manager: Good job .Industrial Designer: Whoohoo .User Interface: Oh thank you .{vocalsound}Marketing: Those are really good .Project Manager: Alright {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {gap}Project Manager: what's next in our agenda ?Um we're gonna discuss the evaluation criteria , and that's with Courtney .Marketing: Okay , it's a PowerPoint presentation . I don't really know exactly what weshould uh talk about . It's under evaluation .Project Manager: Right .Marketing: Alright . Um so these are the criteria we're gonna ask , is it easy to use , is itfashionable uh {disfmarker} yeah , I guess we should write these down so we can reference them .Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: Feel good meaning what?Marketing: Like does it feel good , like {disfmarker}User Interface: Physically ,Project Manager: Right .User Interface: okay .Marketing: yeah , physically .UserInterface: {gap}Project Manager: Sqi {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} That's just for current trend .Project Manager: Right .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: It doesn't really count , you guys .Industrial Designer: Yeah , it was a little difficult to incorporate the cover with the cherry fruit on it.User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah . But it's {disfmarker} so we do have removable covers , right ?Project Manager: Right .Industrial Designer: Yes.User Interface: {gap}Marketing: Yeah , well then that's covered .Project Manager: 'Kay .Marketing: And so we n k everybody have that ?Project Manager: I'llwait .Marketing: Yeah , she's got it .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: It's good . Yeah . Okay so , we're using the criteria uh for a seven point scale , and so weneed to discuss how we feel . It falls within this range , so for easy to use , do we feel it's very easy to use ?Project Manager: Are we going to indiUser Interface:True or false , easy to use .Project Manager: I say we individually rate {disfmarker} what do you say ?Marketing: You guys {disfmarker}Project Manager: Justorally .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: Why not ? We have {disfmarker} okay .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Um easy to use . I votesix .Marketing: Oh wait , that's false .Project Manager: Oh ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: two .Marketing: Okay .Industrial Designer: I'd say twoas well .User Interface: Yeah , two .Marketing: Two . That's what I say .Project Manager: Uh hello , we're great .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay ,fashionable ?Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um one .Industrial Designer: At the moment , no .Project Manager: No .Marketing: No . I mean like no , I think it'svery fashionable .Project Manager: Me too , very chic . {vocalsound}Marketing: I thi I would give it a one .Project Manager: One , I give it a one .IndustrialDesigner: Okay .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'll give it a two , because at the moment it's not looking that way .Project Manager: Oh , andma it's a prototype ,Marketing: Well , that's that's just like {disfmarker} that's a clay , it's a prototype .Project Manager: right .User Interface: Mm I don't thinkit's that fashionable .Marketing: What do you think ?User Interface: I'd give it like three or four .Project Manager: Well , now I'm {gap} .Marketing: Okay .ProjectManager: So , the average is about a two .User Interface: {vocalsound} But then I'm not fashionable , soMarketing: Yeah , it's a two .Project Manager: Two orthree . Two point five .User Interface: don't use my opinion .Marketing: That's okay . Yeah .Industrial Designer: Neither are all o all the customers we have ,either .Marketing: {vocalsound} UmUser Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: does it feel good ?Project Manager: Imagine , since we obviously don't have that.User Interface: Does it feel good ?Marketing: I feel like {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Uh the shape of it actually does uh .Project Manager: And it's i it is veryergonomically designed . It's gonna be curved .User Interface: Yeah , it's gonna be thicker .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Depth .Marketing: I think itfeels good .Project Manager: I think so too .Marketing: I'll give it a two .Project Manager: 'Kay . Two .User Interface: {vocalsound} I'll give it a one .Marketing:What do you say ?Industrial Designer: I'd say a two .Project Manager: Alright , average is two .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Is it technologically innovative? Oh sorry I'm taking over your job here .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Oh no , it's fine ,Project Manager: Go right ahead . {vocalsound}Marketing:you're {disfmarker} I mean you're Project Manager .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Um yeah , I mean and it {disfmarker} does it have voice{disfmarker} I mean the phrase recognition on it ?Project Manager: Yes . Right ? We were able to do it with that kind of chip .User Interface: Oh right , the{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: We could do it with the chip , yes . It wasn't {disfmarker} we have no reflection of it on the prototype ,Marketing: And there'sno way you can represent it on here . YProject Manager: Yeah , right .Industrial Designer: but that's because it's only two dimensions , really .Project Manager:That was {disfmarker} 'kay . And we discussed that being included .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah , so .User Interface: Right.Marketing: Then yes , then I would {disfmarker} well it isn't {disfmarker} what else would it need for it to be technologically innovative ?Industrial Designer: It{disfmarker}Project Manager: Well we don' have the {disfmarker} you know , we can't say channel , and it changes the channel , channel eight .Marketing: Andit doesn't cover anything other then T_V_ ,Project Manager: Right .Marketing: so I'd probably give it a three .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay.Marketing: Even though it is {disfmarker} for just a T_V_ remote it's uh very advanced . But it is just a T_V_ remote .Project Manager: Yeah . I'd go for a threeor four on that one , so {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah I go four .Project Manager: okay , let's go for a three point five .User Interface: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Three and an half .Project Manager: Alright , and the last criteria {disfmarker} is it is it um {disfmarker}User Interface:Squishy and fruity .Marketing: {vocalsound} Well yeah , so I'd give it a two .Project Manager: Well , we've covered that with theUser Interface: It's just trendy ,basically .Project Manager: trendy . Sure . Capable . Very capable .Industrial Designer: It's capable of being squishy and fruity .Marketing: Oh , it's very capableof being squishy and fruity .User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay .Project Manager: And {vocalsound} it's very important . 'Kay , there we go .Marketing: Yeah.Project Manager: So .Marketing: Okay , next .Project Manager: Next . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} So um our re model slightly resembling a giantdelicious cookie appears to be a winner ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: and uh hopefully we'll sell millions . Goodjob , team . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} How did you get that in there ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}What ?Industrial Designer: The {vocalsound} slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie .Project Manager: {vocalsound} It does .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: It {vocalsound} it does . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} That was good .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Very good.Marketing: Thanks .Project Manager: Alright , let's go back to this {disfmarker} {vocalsound} No , that's it . Hmm . Oops . Okay , so now uh we're moving on tofinance , okay . I'm gonna show you an Excel spreadsheet and we're going to fill it in together based on what components we're including in our remote and see if


Professor E: Let 's see . Test ? Test ? Yeah . OK .Grad A: Hello ?PhD B: Channel one .Grad A: Hello ?PhD C: Test .Professor E: I was saying Hynek 'll be here nextweek , uh , Wednesday through Friday {disfmarker} uh , through Saturday , and , um , I won't be here Thursday and Friday . But my suggestion is that , uh , atleast for this meeting , people should go ahead , uh , cuz Hynek will be here , and , you know , we don't have any Czech accent yet , uh , {vocalsound} as far as Iknow , so {disfmarker} There we go .PhD F: OK .Professor E: Um . So other than reading digits , what 's our agenda ?PhD F: I don't really have , uh , anythingnew . Been working on {pause} Meeting Recorder stuff . So .Professor E: OK . Um . Do you think that would be the case for next week also ? Or is {disfmarker} is, uh {disfmarker} ? What 's your projection on {disfmarker} ?PhD F: Um .Professor E: Cuz the one thing {disfmarker} the one thing that seems to me we reallyshould try , if you hadn't tried it before , because it hadn't occurred to me {disfmarker} it was sort of an obvious thing {disfmarker} is , um , adjusting the , uh ,sca the scaling and , uh , insertion penalty sorta stuff .PhD F: I did play with that , actually , a little bit . Um . What happens is , uh , {vocalsound} when you getto the noisy stuff , you start getting lots of insertions .Professor E: Right .PhD F: And , um , so I 've tried playing around a little bit with , um , the insertionpenalties and things like that .Professor E: Yeah .PhD F: Um . I mean , it {disfmarker} it didn't make a whole lot of difference . Like for the well - matched case ,it seemed like it was pretty good . Um . {vocalsound} I could do more playing with that , though . And , uh {disfmarker}Professor E: But you were looking at melcepstrum .PhD F: and see . Yes .Professor E: Right .PhD F: Oh , you 're talking about for th {vocalsound} for our features .Professor E: Right . So , I mean , i it it's not the direction that you were working with that we were saying what 's the {disfmarker} uh , what 's the best you can do with {disfmarker} with melcepstrum . But , they raised a very valid point ,PhD F: Mmm .Professor E: which , I guess {disfmarker} So , to first order {disfmarker} I mean , you have otherthings you were gonna do , but to first order , I would say that the conclusion is that if you , um , do , uh , some monkeying around with , uh , the exact HTKtraining and @ @ {comment} with , uh , you know , how many states and so forth , that it {disfmarker} it doesn't particularly improve the performance . In otherwords , that even though it sounds pretty dumb , just applying the same number of states to everything , more or less , no matter what language , isn't so bad .Right ? And I guess you hadn't gotten to all the experiments you wanted to do with number of Gaussians ,PhD F: Right .Professor E: but , um , let 's just{disfmarker} If we had to {disfmarker} if we had to draw a conclusion on the information we have so far , we 'd say something like that . Right ?PhD F: Mm -hmm .Professor E: Uh , so the next question to ask , which is I think the one that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that Andreas was dre addressing himself to inthe lunch meeting , is , um , we 're not supposed to adjust the back - end , but anybody using the system would .PhD F: Yeah .Professor E: So , if you were justadjusting the back - end , how much better would you do , uh , in noise ? Uh , because the language scaling and insertion penalties and so forth are probably setto be about right for mel cepstrum .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor E: But , um , they 're probably not at all set right for these things , particularly these things thatlook over , uh , larger time windows , in one way or another with {disfmarker} with LDA and KLT and neural nets and {vocalsound} all these things . In the fapast we 've always found that we had to increase the insertion penalty to {disfmarker} to correspond to such things . So , I think that 's , uh , @ @ {comment}that 's kind of a first - order thing that {disfmarker} that we should try .PhD F: So for th so the experiment is to , um , run our front - end like normal , with thedefault , uh , insertion penalties and so forth , and then tweak that a little bit and see how much of a difference it makesProfessor E: So by " our front - end " Imean take , you know , the Aurora - two s take some version that Stephane has that is , you know , our current best version of something .PhD F: if we were{disfmarker} Mm - hmm .Professor E: Um . I mean , y don't wanna do this over a hundred different things that they 've tried but , you know , for some versionthat you say is a good one . You know ? Um . How {disfmarker} how much , uh , does it improve if you actually adjust that ?PhD F: OK .Professor E: But it isinteresting . You say you {disfmarker} you have for the noisy {disfmarker} How about for the {disfmarker} for the mismatched or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker}or {disfmarker} or the {disfmarker} or the medium mismatched conditions ? Have you {disfmarker} ? When you adjusted those numbers for mel cepstrum , didit {disfmarker} ?PhD F: Uh , I {disfmarker} I don't remember off the top of my head . Um . Yeah . I didn't even write them down . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}I don't remember . I would need to {disfmarker} Well , I did write down , um {disfmarker} So , when I was doing {disfmarker} I just wrote down some numbersfor the well - matched case .Professor E: Yeah .PhD F: Um . Looking at the {disfmarker} I wrote down what the deletions , substitutions , and insertions were , uh, for different numbers of states per phone .Professor E: Yeah .PhD F: Um , but , uh , that {disfmarker} that 's all I wrote down .Professor E: OK .PhD F: So . I{disfmarker} I would {disfmarker} Yeah . I would need to do that .Professor E: OK . So {disfmarker}PhD F: I can do that for next week .Professor E: Yeah . And ,um {disfmarker} Yeah . Also , eh , eh , sometimes if you run behind on some of these things , maybe we can get someone else to do it and you can supervise orsomething . But {disfmarker} but I think it would be {disfmarker} it 'd be good to know that .PhD F: OK . I just need to get , um , {vocalsound} front - end , uh ,stuff from youPhD B: Hmm .PhD F: or you point me to some files {pause} that you 've already calculated .PhD B: Yeah . Alright .Professor E: OK . Uh .PhD F: Iprobably will have time to do that and time to play a little bit with the silence model .Professor E: Mm - hmm .PhD F: So maybe I can have that for next weekwhen Hynek 's here .Professor E: Yeah .PhD B: Mm - hmm .Professor E: Yeah . Cuz , I mean , the {disfmarker} the other {disfmarker} That , in fact , might havebeen part of what , uh , the difference was {disfmarker} at least part of it that {disfmarker} that we were seeing . Remember we were seeing the SRI systemwas so much better than the tandem system .PhD F: Hmm .Professor E: Part of it might just be that the SRI system , they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} theyalways adjust these things to be sort of optimized ,PhD F: Is there {disfmarker} ?Professor E: and {disfmarker}PhD F: I wonder if there 's anything that we coulddo {vocalsound} to the front - end that would affect the insertion {disfmarker}Professor E: Yes . I think you can .PhD F: What could you do ?Professor E: Well ,um {disfmarker} uh , part of what 's going on , um , is the , uh , the range of values . So , if you have something that has a much smaller range or a much largerrange , and taking the appropriate root .PhD F: Oh . Mm - hmm .Professor E: You know ? If something is kind of like the equivalent of a bunch of probabilitiesmultiplied together , you can take a root of some sort . If it 's like seven probabilities together , you can take the seventh root of it or something , or if it 's in thelog domain , divide it by seven .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor E: But {disfmarker} but , um , that has a similar effect because it changes the scale of the numbers{disfmarker} of the differences between different candidates from the acoustic modelPhD F: Oh , right .Professor E: as opposed to what 's coming from thelanguage model .PhD F: So that w Right . So , in effect , that 's changing the value of your insertion penalty .Professor E: Yeah . I mean , it 's more directly likethe {disfmarker} the language scaling or the , uh {disfmarker} the model scaling or acoustic scaling ,PhD F: That 's interesting .Professor E: but you know thatthose things have kind of a similar effect to the insertion penaltyPhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor E: anyway . They 're a slightly different way of {disfmarker} ofhandling it .PhD F: Right .Professor E: So , um {disfmarker}PhD F: So if we know what the insertion penalty is , then we can get an idea about what range ournumber should be in ,Professor E: I think so .PhD F: so that they {pause} match with that .Professor E: Yeah . Yeah . So that 's why I think that 's another reasonother than curiosity as to why i it would in fact be kinda neat to find out if we 're way off . I mean , the other thing is , are aren't we seeing {disfmarker} ? Y yPhDF: Mm - hmm .Professor E: I 'm sure you 've already looked at this bu in these noisy cases , are {disfmarker} ? We are seeing lots of insertions . Right ? Theinsertion number is quite high ?PhD B: Yeah .Professor E: I know the VAD takes pre care of part of that ,PhD F: Yeah .PhD B: Yeah .Professor E: but{disfmarker}PhD F: I 've seen that with the mel cepstrum . I don't {disfmarker} I don't know about {pause} the Aurora front - end , but {disfmarker}PhD B: Ithink it 's much more balanced with , uh {disfmarker} when the front - end is more robust . Yeah . I could look at it {disfmarker} at this . Yeah . Mm - hmm.Professor E: Yeah . Wha - what 's a typical number ?PhD B: I don't {disfmarker} I don't know .Professor E: Do we {disfmarker} ? Oh , you {disfmarker} oh , youdon't know .PhD B: I don't have this in {disfmarker}Professor E: OK . I 'm sure it 's more balanced ,PhD B: Mm - hmm .Professor E: but it {disfmarker} it{disfmarker} it wouldn't surprise me if there 's still {disfmarker}PhD B: Mm - hmm .Professor E: I mean , in {disfmarker} in the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker}the old systems we used to do , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} uh , I remember numbers kind of like insertions being half the number of deletions , as being{disfmarker} and both numbers being {disfmarker} tend to be on the small side comparing to {disfmarker} to , uh , substitutions .PhD B: Mm - hmm .PhD F:Well , this {disfmarker} the whole problem with insertions was what I think , um , we talked about when the guy from OGI came down {pause} that one time and{disfmarker} and that was when people were saying , well we should have a , uh , uh , voice activity detector {disfmarker}Professor E: Right .PhD F: that ,because all that stuff {comment} that we 're getting thr the silence that 's getting through is causing insertions . So .PhD B: Mmm .Professor E: Right .PhD F: I 'llbet you there 's still a lot {vocalsound} of insertions .PhD B: Mm - hmm .Professor E: Yeah . And it may be less of a critical thing . I mean , the fact that some getby may be less of a critical thing if you , uh , get things in the right range .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor E: So , I mean , the insertions is {disfmarker} is asymptom . It 's a symptom that there 's something , uh , wrong with the range .PhD F: Right .Professor E: But there 's {disfmarker} uh , your {disfmarker} your{disfmarker} your substitutions tend to go up as well . So , uh , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think that ,PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor E: uh , the most obvious


Project Manager: So we come again for the the second meeting .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Uh for the aim of this meeting now is to to makepresentation about uh the work for each one .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: And {gap} take the the decision about the the design and thefunctionality of the the remote control .User Interface: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: And we have {disfmarker} think I got a new project requirement.Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: So I think uh teletext becomes outdated . So the popularity of the {disfmarker} since the popularity of the internet,Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: and I think we don't need lighting adaptive , so the remote control should be only used for the the television . And ofcourse we should have our image {gap} in the in the design . So , let's start with the the industrial designer .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{gap} .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah , alright .Project Manager: Or y you can use the whiteboard if you want .Industrial Designer: So uh{disfmarker} Well I have a PowerPoint pr presentation stored in my in my personal folderProject Manager: Here .Industrial Designer: so I I I think you can reachit from here .Marketing: Just go to explorer .Project Manager: Oh okay .Marketing: Or open . Participant two .Industrial Designer: Participant two .ProjectManager: This one .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Open uh .Industrial Designer: Uh open . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Do you want to open{disfmarker}User Interface: Because it's open you mean . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Right , so um I will talkabout the the w working design and {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} F_ five .Marketing: Slide show , view slide show , {gap} .Project Manager: Ah.Industrial Designer: And um well I I will present my my first idea on how to build the {disfmarker} our new remote control for television .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So uh can you go one page down , please . So I think the first things to do is to define the hardware components neededs toachieve uh what we want to do .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So uh mm I'm thin uh {vocalsound} I think uh I I'll do a survey about what isuh what is available on the market and what what is the the cheapest possible {vocalsound} things we hav we can use . Then uh I will try with the technical teamto to build a prototype and to see uh with uh h how this little box {vocalsound} would uh look look like .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Andhow an and we can uh start troubleshooting first uh com communication problems or things like that .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And whenwe are ready with this first prototype I I think we can add some software functionalities on a programmable chip like browsing by content or um things like that .Okay so can you go down uh {disfmarker} So , wha what I think {vocalsound} for now {vocalsound} is {vocalsound} we don't want to have a remote control wwhich is wiredUser Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: so uh I think we u we can use a battery for the {gap} . Then twoprogrammable chips for both software functionalities and communication . And the communication with the T_V_ set is uh made through uh infraredcommunication So uh this is the {vocalsound} the schema of the {vocalsound} o of the future uh remote controlsUser Interface: Did you draw it ?{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Wow . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: so uh you can you can see the components , uhbattery and uh the two chips goes to the infrared uh connection to the T_V_ set .User Interface: This {gap} .Project Manager: This {disfmarker}User Interface:What is the other chip for ? The one on top .Industrial Designer: The one on top is for the um {disfmarker} well the functionali the functionalitiesUser Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: One is a communication .Industrial Designer: and the the th red um {disfmarker} sorry the green one is is to {disfmarker} well , puttingthings together , um f transform the data into uh qu into the format to to {gap} uh to communicate with the T_V_ set .User Interface: For men . To the{disfmarker} in {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Okay .Industrial Designer: And , that's it . I think we should use a F_P_G_A_ for {vocalsound} for the functionalitieswhich is easy to to tUser Interface: Mm . What is F_P_G_A_ ?Industrial Designer: It's field programmable uh something array .Marketing: {vocalsound} Gatewayarrays .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: It's a field programmable gateway arrays .User Interface: So why's it {disfmarker} how is it differentfrom the Bluetooth ?Industrial Designer: Well , uh a F_P_G_A_ is just a chip you can uh you can {gap} pr programme it uh wi with wh whatever you want .UserInterface: Yeah . Programme it .Marketing: Yeah {gap} .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: And uh well the Bluetooth chip is just responsible to uh makethe communication uh between uh the two devices .User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker} So this are the {disfmarker} they have to worktogether ? Or ? Do they have to work together or two separate choice {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: No . Well , th the F_P_G_A_ will produce the the data tosend .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: Or it's something like {disfmarker} isn't hardware the first one ? And the second one is for the software .User Interface: Isthe is the software par alri okay .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah to run th to make it run .User Interface: Okay , okay .Marketing: That's it .UserInterface: So you can control {gap} if you want , right ?Industrial Designer: Yeah {vocalsound} .Marketing: No .Industrial Designer: Alright and that's it for theworking design .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So if you have any questions ?User Interface: Mm .Marketing: Okay , and how about thebattery power ? Uh you mean that battery would be somewhere there and the remote contro the power to the battery comes through infrared ?IndustrialDesigner: Uh no no no no , I think uh we have uh to to uh have uh embedded uh b batteries in in the {disfmarker}Project Manager: {gap} .Marketing: Into the{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: yeah into the t .Marketing: more compact and uh {disfmarker} okay , {gap}Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And uh I I don't think it will need um {vocalsound} very uh much power to make it run , so {disfmarker}User Interface:{vocalsound} Mm . Mm .Marketing: Yeah , yeah . Okay .User Interface: Mm . You can put it on the charger when uh you when you don't need to use it .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah . It's a good idea .Marketing: Yeah , that's right .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Having a charger rather than putting the battery cells always.User Interface: Yeah , yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: People don't like it to have to buy the batteries when they run out .User Interface: Yeah . Mm. Uh {disfmarker} mm .Marketing: We just make a small chargerUser Interface: Y yeah , yeah .Marketing: and put it {disfmarker}Project Manager: You can iyeah .User Interface: Because you are using because you are using Bluetooth , if some people have P_D_A_ they can use their P_D_A_ to control the T_V_ if theywant to , right ?Industrial Designer: That's a good idea .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: MaIndustrial Designer: Also , but but {vocalsound} I I I thinkuh the the goal is to sell our remote {vocalsound} control .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} I dunno . {vocalsound}Marketing: Bu{vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah we can change the b {gap} .Marketing: Our remote ,Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: we do not want to make it P_D_A_ .{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} S {vocalsound} okay , so charger for {gap} is the {gap} .Project Manager: Um.User Interface: {vocalsound} So is mine .Project Manager: It's mine . Participant one , no ?User Interface: Oh . Yeah , this your {disfmarker}Project Manager:Mm . Oh we have {gap} so let's move to to user interface design {gap} .User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound} So you can open uh {vocalsound}Project Manager:Participant {disfmarker}User Interface: three . Yeah . {vocalsound} So {disfmarker} So I'm working on the technical functions design . {gap} can you show thenext slide . So the the purpose is to to find uh the important questions to ask is what effect should the apparatus have . So {vocalsound} so I found on a webs onthe internetProject Manager: {vocalsound} During the weekend .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} {disfmarker} yeah .{vocalsound} I spent a lot of time searching {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: That's good . {vocalsound}User Interface: and uhand I found that uh the function of remote control is to send messages to television set .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound} For example switch on , switch off , switch the next channel and so on and so on .Marketing: GUser Interface:So I found two very good prototypes for {vocalsound} for this interface from our competitorsIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: so can you{vocalsound} {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: This are usual functionality {gap} .User Interface: Yeah , yeah , yeah . Ours is abit uh different . So these are two example . One is from {vocalsound} {gap} the other one is from , yeah , uh engineering centr yeah .Project Manager: Tasks.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: This is the most competing prototypes I've found {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}UserInterface: But then uh loo but then I found if you look at {disfmarker} you see on the left one there are too many buttons {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: And they are small {gap} .User Interface: Yeah . O on the right I tried to play with {vocalsound} the problem is that uh if I havehundred channels I have uh I have to choo press the other button to choose the hundred channels and I have to compose the numberIndustrial Designer:{vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: so it's very lousy .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound} So you {vocalsound} so you move to the nextthe next one .Industrial Designer: Of course .User Interface: Yeah , so I talk about the problem . And then I I look at the user manual they are a hundred pagesthick , so we don't want that .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound} So I propose the easy to use uh prototype . You can navigate on T_V_ screenand we can {gap} the user's preference and we need to have the T_V_ connected to internet so we end {disfmarker} in order to access the T_V_ programmes byX_M_L_ and we need some {disfmarker} to do some preprocessing . From the technical aspect , the processing should be done on the T_V_ set than on the{vocalsound} on the remote controller , right ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} And then we {disfmarker} the speech recognition