Project Manager: Okay . Uh door is closed . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well , let's begin . Because if we have as much timeas the last uh meeting , we'll have to hurry up .Marketing: I'm listening .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Right .Project Manager: Um well I'll startwith the presentation again , the agenda .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Great .Project Manager: Yo . So . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Uh{disfmarker} {vocalsound} This one I think .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh yeah . Well alright . Um well , I'll show you the notes .It's not as uh interesting as it should be because we just uh had the meeting ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: but I'll show them . We'll get yourpresentations again on the conceptual design . Um {disfmarker} Then we'll have to dec decide about the control , the remote control concepts . I've put a f uh afile in the project management folder , which says exactly uh what kind of decisions we should take .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So{vocalsound} this time we exactly know what to decide about .Marketing: {vocalsound} Alright , great .Project Manager: And then we'll close again .IndustrialDesigner: Alright .Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker} Well these are some examples , but we'll talk about them later . We'll {vocalsound} first look at your uhpresentations . Alright ?Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Walter will uh start again this time ?Marketing: Yeah , great .Project Manager: Yo.Marketing: Alright , Trendwatch .Project Manager: 'Kay .Marketing: {gap}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Right . I will speak about uh latest trendstrends , latest fashion updates , and uh things we must not do .Project Manager: 'Kay .Marketing: Uh the trends . {vocalsound} It's very important that uh thecontrol is fancy looking and good uh feeling . Uh this because of our last model was very functional , but {vocalsound} it uh people didn't like that , so our newmo model must be very good-looking . That's uh something you uh have to take a look at .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm . Alright .Marketing: And uh the feelinghas to be very great . Also the menus and things like that they have to they have to feel great .Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: Um there's a minus uh twotimes here , because this is the most important point . This is uh two times as less important ,Project Manager: Less . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: and uh same for this one . {vocalsound} Um , technological technological innovations , that's uh regarded very highly too .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Uh such as an uh L_C_D_ screen , uh speech uh acknowledgement , as we uh talked about earlier .Project Manager: Well ,yeah .Marketing: So we have to have uh something like that , like we uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: L_C_D_ and our uh our fronts .Marketing: Right .{vocalsound} Uh the last point is easy to use . Well I think that uh speaks for s for itself . I don't know who's uh who's going to look at that .Industrial Designer:Easy to use ?Project Manager: Well , easy to use uh s is a bit uh contradictionary with the first uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah ?Industrial Designer: I thinkthat's your taUser Interface: {gap}Project Manager: Functional is not an issue , and then easy to use .Marketing: Yeah , I know .Project Manager: Well we haveto choose one of them . {vocalsound}Marketing: I think we have to go for the first one .Project Manager: Yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm.Marketing: It's the most important one . So {gap} we have to uh take that one .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: So it it {vocalsound} it isn't very importantthat {vocalsound} that it works easy .User Interface: Well something fancy looking can be can be easy to use .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} But {vocalsound} it has to look great .Project Manager: Yeah . We'll we'll look at uh {gap} .Industrial Designer: You {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah ,yeah ,Marketing: We'll see . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: you can make a very complicated uh uh remote anyway , so ease of use {disfmarker}{vocalsound} It's not a very comp complicated device .Marketing: Yeah , right . But the most important thing is that it looks great and people say {gap} wow ,that's real great uh great concept .Project Manager: 'Kay .Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: Alright . Uh these are the new colours of this year .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: So it must be very bright , very colourful .Project Manager: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: People like this .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: So we we have to thinkuh in this direction .Project Manager: So {disfmarker}Marketing: So i set your mind to it .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well{disfmarker}Marketing: Findings ? Fashion update ? Fruit and vegetables are cool .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Uh you think ?Marketing: I am told .{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: The group we are targeting is uh very pleased with fruit and vegetables.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: So {vocalsound} we we we might cons consider in front of uh in in that sort of uh way .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah , well {disfmarker}User Interface: Bananas .Marketing: Uh furthermore uh material , that's your part , should be very strong. I was thinking of something like uh {vocalsound} well uh iron plate over it ,Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: maybe in a colour or something ,ProjectManager: Yeah .Marketing: that looks so f really flashy but it it is also strong .Industrial Designer: {gap}Project Manager: BMarketing: And that's uh also for theyounger public .Project Manager: Well the the handy thing about our fronts is that we can follow these trends e ev every year . Th this year it's fruits but nextyear it's it's something totally different .Marketing: Yeah , that's great .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: But I think we can all make the the fronts of titanium orsomething uh really thin .Project Manager: Yes .Marketing: So it looks very heavy but you can still uh use it very easily .Project Manager: Yep , alright .IndustrialDesigner: Mm .Marketing: Well , the don'ts . Older people like dark colours and simple shapes . Well we don't want uh older people ,User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: we want young people .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {gap}Marketing: So uh we're gonna turn that around .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: We're gonna have real uh cool shapes and lots of colours . Right ?Project Manager: Wood is popular . Aha.Marketing: Okay . We don't want wood .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah yeah yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah , among the old people , yeah .Marketing:Old people . So , that's it for me .Project Manager: Alright . Nice , uh well {gap} show us .Industrial Designer: Right , I am going to tell you something about thecomponents design . Uh again I have uh put up the specification properties . This uh so um uh the different uh components of the of of the device . And thematerials ? Um I have heard several things , so I uh I'll have to change that on the way . But uh the case ? Uh I suggested uh in the previous meeting hard plastic. But uh as you indicated uh it should be strong .Marketing: Yeah , we should change that .Industrial Designer: It should feel strong . So maybe plastic is not uhsufficient .Project Manager: Well maybe it it it is ,Industrial Designer: We should move to uh something {disfmarker}Project Manager: but it doesn't look strong .So maybe {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Well yeah . Y Hard plastic i is of course uh pretty pretty tough , but it doesn't have a really really tough look . So{disfmarker}Marketing: No no no .Project Manager: But we still have to look at our price of course . Because uh if we want an L_C_D_ uh window etcetera uh{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah . Also {disfmarker} Yeah . Mm-hmm . But we'll return to that .Project Manager: Yeah ?Industrial Designer: Uh the buttonsof course rubber , I think everyone agrees . And electrical cables , copper is all pretty basic stuff . The chips made of silicon , I guess . I think that's the best uhway to do it .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And infra infrared l LED is uh just a simple bulb .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:Then I've uh {vocalsound} had a few findings , made a few findings . Uh the target audience product style . Um it's uh um generally the case that uh senior andwealthy people above uh forty five years old uh like , as you said , uh particularly the traditional materials as such as wood and materials such as that . They alsolike straightforward shapes and luxurious style . But of course that's not our uh things this . So this is things we must not do .Project Manager: Yes .IndustrialDesigner: And then we have uh young uh and dynamic uh people , which is of course our uh group , the people we aim at . Um under forty five years old . Uhthey like soft materials uh with primary colours . Soft materials is of course uh agai again a bit a contradiction with uh our uh material choice of what you said ,that uh it should be hard an and and and and strong looking .Marketing: Mm . Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: But they like soft materials , uh sowe might uh we have to consider that . And also they like curved round shapes . So not uh too formal like like uh the older people want . And if uh also a findingbut not very ap applicable here , that sports and gaming devices such as uh discmans for jogging and that those kind of devices , gaming devices , should definethe characteristics of the device . But uh since we don't have a really a sports or gaming device , so we don't really have to consider that .Project Manager: Sportsuh , they're uh that uh are accessible on on your L_C_D_ uh window uhUser Interface: Soccer fronts . {vocalsound} Mm .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {disfmarker} Huh ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: That's nice . {vocalsound}User Interface: Hmm .Project Manager: All the{gap} results ?Industrial Designer: Well I also have um several examples of uh styles ,Marketing: We keep coming back to the fronts . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: so you can get a clear picture of uh what I mean .Project Manager: Yeah.Industrial Designer: Uh {vocalsound} these are the basic uh older older peoples' stuff .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing:{vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer: It was not very uh interesting uh , very classical looking ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Nai . Uh no.Industrial Designer: but that's n that's not what we want .User Interface: Hmm .Industrial Designer: We have these kind of things . I don't know what exactlythey are .Marketing: {vocalsound} Fruity . {vocalsound} Fruity .Industrial Designer: It looks like {disfmarker} Well you know uh you recognise the shapes,Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: it's very primary colours , uh bright colours and uh round shapes .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial


Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh welcome back after lunch , I hope uh you had a good lunch together . For uh this meeting the main agenda okay uh to discussabout the conceptual design meeting . Okay and the agenda will be the opening and uh {disfmarker} that's uh {disfmarker} the product manager or secretarythat's me and uh the presentations from the Christine and uh Agnes and from Mister Ed . And finally in this meeting we have to decideMarketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: and we are to take a decision on the remote control concept and uh the functional design So we have forty minutes , I think it's uhlittle bit uh low , but I I hope we can finish it up {vocalsound} so I'll handle to the the functional team , to the Christine , okay , to discuss about uh thecomponents concept .Industrial Designer: Okay . So uh , if you could open the PowerPoint presentation .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'm numbertwo .Project Manager: You're number two . 'KayIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound} Components design , there we go .Marketing: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: So uh can we put it in slide show mode ? Yeah .Project Manager: The next one .Industrial Designer: Right here , is that little {disfmarker} that one ,yes please .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Thank you .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'll take the mouse . {vocalsound} SouhProject Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: we were looking he specifically at the components uh {disfmarker} the following components , uh the case, the power supply , uh the means of communications with the television set . In instance we had talked about using some sort of speech recognition ,ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: you have to have microphone {disfmarker} well no you don't actually I haven't {disfmarker} have to havemicrophone in the device , but um maybe you do have it a a way {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: it has to it has to hear thespeakerUser Interface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: and um , so it could be in the television set , could be in the device , but somewhere you have to put themicrophone , um and a w a way of making beeps or sounds so you can find it when it's gets lost . Um so the other w thing that we {disfmarker} So . Our methodfor going about this is we've looked at uh the histo hi historical record , what's worked , what hasn't and then we also um {disfmarker} we wanted to evaluatesome new materialsMarketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and we contacted manufacturing for their input because , course , we m might {vocalsound}come up and choose the material that then manufacturing didn't have the technologies or capabilities to offer us , so uh this is the approach that we took duringour um {disfmarker} our research .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So um for the case , um we told we were making a specifica specific assumptionthat it would be curved in design .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Course , you know , I wanted it to be expandable andshrinkable , but um that uh doesn't seem to b be one of the choic non-option we can uh {disfmarker} we can really seriously explore ,User Interface:{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} so then we were thinking about um rubber , but um unfortunately that's been eliminated becauseof the heat uh factorUser Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and th um there might be some {vocalsound} problems with the m uh how it's{disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh goes with the board . {vocalsound} Uh and uh then th plastic also has this problem of melting and it's brittle {disfmarker} it getsbrittle after a while ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: so um we still had titanium and and wood available , but um unfortunately uh uh titanium'salso been eliminated uh ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: the m people in manufacturing said that you couldn't make d curved cases out oftitanium , although how {vocalsound} Apple did it with th PowerBook I'm not su quite sure but uh nevertheless um they've eliminated all of our options exceptwood .User Interface: {vocalsound} At least it's environmentally friendly . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} So , {vocalsound} this is our finding.Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And a as she said , it's an environmentally friendly uh material , so we're {disfmarker} we're {vocalsound}currently uh proposing ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: uh we'll get to all my personal preferences in just a second .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So then there's this other matter of the chips and um well we could use a simple design on the board ,User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {disfmarker} uh these simple chips , but that's only works for the bu you don't get very muchum intelligence with this simple one . And um then there was the regular which {vocalsound} I regret that I've forgotten exactly why I'm eliminating that one .Uh the other option was this advanced chip on print , {vocalsound} and uh we liked th we we found that it it includes this infrared sender ,Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: which w 'member the beam was {disfmarker} that was an important component of finding the right chip .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And uh manufacturing has told us that they've um uh recently developed a uh a sensor and a speaker that would uh beintegrated into this advanced chip on print , so uh we we uh now jumping right to our personal preferences um I I'd really think we should , you know , use someof uh some really exotic woods , like um ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: you know uh , well you guys come from tropical countries so you cankinda think of some trees and some nice woods . I think that people will might really want to design their own cases , you see , they could do sort of a{disfmarker} this um three-dimensional design on the internet , and then they could submit their orders , kinda like you submit a custom car order , you know ,and you can choose the colour and the size of the wheels and the colours of the leather and things like that , and then I uh think we should go with the solar cellsas well as the um microphone and speaker on the advanced chip . So this is the findings of our researchMarketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and myrecommendations um for the new remote control w um would be to have um have it be made out of wood . Do you have any problems with that ?ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Can you go back uh one slide ?Industrial Designer: I'm not sure , how do I {disfmarker} Oh , I know , let's see .User Interface: Thankyou . Yeah .Industrial Designer: Let's go back up here .Project Manager: Yes , uh {gap} question , uh , what's mean exactly , advanced chip on print ? What's themeaning of that ?Industrial Designer: I think it's um um a multiple uh chip design um {vocalsound} and it's uh maybe printed on to the circuit board .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh I could find out more about that uh before the next fi nextmeeting .Project Manager: Yeah , is it means it's on the {disfmarker} yeah is it on a micro-proc micro-processor based or uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} I don't know , but I'll find out more at our next meeting .Project Manager: Okay , tha that would be great , so if you find out from the technologybackground , okay , so that would be good .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Sounds good .User Interface: Why was the plastic eliminated as apossible material ?Industrial Designer: Because um it gets brittle , cracks {disfmarker}User Interface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Um We want {disfmarker}we expect these um {vocalsound} uh these remote controls to be around for several hundred years . So . {vocalsound} Good ex {vocalsound} {gap} Goodexpression . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} WhicMarketing: Wow ,User Interface: {vocalsound} Which {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} goodexpression . Well after us . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I don't know , speak for yourself , I'm planning to be around for a while. {vocalsound}User Interface: Although I think {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: I think with wood though you'd run into thesame types of problems , wouldn't you , I mean it chips , it if you drop it ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: uh it's{disfmarker} I'm not su {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: So {gap} so you're not convinced about the the wood ,yes .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {gap} you're what ?Marketing: Actually , I'm ready to sell it .User Interface: I think{vocalsound} if you re if you use really good quality wood , then it might work ,Marketing: I'm ready to sell it .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} You think ?{vocalsound} And you could {disfmarker} you could sell oils with it , to take care of it .User Interface: but you can't just use {disfmarker}Marketing: No y{vocalsound} no no no , the o the only w the only wood you can use are the ones that are hard , extremely hard wood ,User Interface: Yeah , exactly , yeah.Marketing: but there are some very pretty woods out there {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Well I'm glad you {disfmarker}User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: That's actually very innovative idea .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay , good .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Sorr having a hard time keeping wi control over my face . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Well, it's actually a very innovative n different idea that uh you know you can choose your colour of wood , your type of wood .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .UserInterface: The stain .Marketing: {vocalsound} I mean it's {disfmarker} each person is gonna have their own personalised , individualised speech recognitionremote control in wood , that's not on the market .Industrial Designer: Mm .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah , so it it's looks good the thedesign the functional design uh , what about yo you ?Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Um , in terms of comments on this or in terms of myown {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yes , in t yes , in term in terms of comments first {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} In turns of wow .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: She works in the cubicle next to me so she's uh she was alreadya little bit prepared for this {vocalsound} .User Interface: Y yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Luckily Ed was not .{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Wood ? {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} I think we can get the quality materials then{vocalsound} it shouldn't influence the design principles too much , which you'll see with my presentation .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface:


PhD A: Alright . We 're on .Professor B: Test , um . Test , test , test . Guess that 's me . Yeah . OK .Grad D: Ooh , Thursday .Professor B: So . There 's two sheetsof paper in front of us .PhD A: What are these ?PhD E: Yeah . So .Professor B: This is the arm wrestling ?PhD C: Uh . Yeah , we formed a coalition actually .PhD E:Yeah . Almost .PhD C: We already made it into one .Professor B: Oh , good .PhD C: Yeah .Professor B: Excellent .PhD E: Yeah .Professor B: That 's the best thing.PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: So , tell me about it .PhD E: So it 's {disfmarker} well , it 's {pause} spectral subtraction or Wiener filtering , um , depending onif we put {disfmarker} if we square the transfer function or not .Professor B: Right .PhD E: And then with over - estimation of the noise , depending on the , uh{disfmarker} the SNR , with smoothing along time , um , smoothing along frequency .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD E: It 's very simple , smoothing things.Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD E: And , um , {vocalsound} the best result is {vocalsound} when we apply this procedure on FFT bins , uh , with a Wiener filter.Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD E: And there is no noise addition after {disfmarker} after that .Professor B: OK .PhD E: So it 's good because {vocalsound}{vocalsound} it 's difficult when we have to add noise to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to find the right level .Professor B: OK .PhD A: Are you looking at one in{disfmarker} in particular of these two ?PhD E: Yeah . So the sh it 's the sheet that gives fifty - f three point sixty - six .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD E: Um ,{vocalsound} the second sheet is abo uh , about the same . It 's the same , um , idea but it 's working on mel bands , {vocalsound} and it 's a spectralsubtraction instead of Wiener filter , and there is also a noise addition after , uh , cleaning up the mel bins . Mmm . Well , the results are similar .Professor B:Yeah . I mean , {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} {comment} it 's actually , uh , very similar .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: I mean , {vocalsound} if you look atdatabases , uh , the , uh , one that has the smallest {disfmarker} smaller overall number is actually better on the Finnish and Spanish , uh , but it is , uh , worseon the , uh , Aurora {disfmarker}PhD E: It 's worse on {disfmarker}Professor B: I mean on the , uh , TI - TI - digits ,PhD E: on the multi - condition in TI - digits .Yeah .Professor B: uh , uh . Um .PhD E: Mmm .Professor B: So , it probably doesn't matter that much either way . But , um , when you say u uh , unified do youmean , uh , it 's one piece of software now , or {disfmarker} ?PhD E: So now we are , yeah , setting up the software .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD E: Um , itshould be ready , uh , very soon . Um , and wePhD A: So what 's {disfmarker} what 's happened ? I think I 've missed something .Professor B: OK . So a weekago {disfmarker} maybe you weren't around when {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when Hynek and Guenther and I {disfmarker} ?PhD C: Hynek was here .PhDA: Yeah . I didn't .Professor B: Oh , OK . So {disfmarker} Yeah , let 's summarize . Um {disfmarker} And then if I summarize somebody can tell me if I 'm wrong, which will also be possibly helpful . What did I just press here ? I hope this is still working .PhD E: p - p - pProfessor B: We , uh {disfmarker} we looked at ,{nonvocalsound} uh {disfmarker} anyway we {disfmarker} {vocalsound} after coming back from QualComm we had , you know , very strong feedback and , uh, I think it was {vocalsound} Hynek and Guenter 's and my opinion also that , um , you know , we sort of spread out to look at a number of different ways ofdoing noise suppression . But given the limited time , uh , it was sort of time to {pause} choose one .PhD A: Mm - hmm . Mmm .Professor B: Uh , and so , uh , ththe vector Taylor series hadn't really worked out that much . Uh , the subspace stuff , uh , had not been worked with so much . Um , so it sort of came down tospectral subtraction versus Wiener filtering .PhD A: Hmm .Professor B: Uh , we had a long discussion about how they were the same and how they were d uh ,completely different .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: And , uh , I mean , fundamentally they 're the same sort of thing but the math is a little different so thatthere 's a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} there 's an exponent difference in the index {disfmarker} you know , what 's the ideal filtering , anddepending on how you construct the problem .PhD A: Uh - huh .Professor B: And , uh , I guess it 's sort {disfmarker} you know , after {disfmarker} after thatmeeting it sort of made more sense to me because {vocalsound} um , if you 're dealing with power spectra then how are you gonna choose your error ? Andtypically you 'll do {disfmarker} choose something like a variance . And so that means it 'll be something like the square of the power spectra . Whereas when you're {disfmarker} when you 're doing the {disfmarker} the , uh , um , {vocalsound} looking at it the other way , you 're gonna be dealing with signalsPhD C: Mm -hmm .Professor B: and you 're gonna end up looking at power {disfmarker} uh , noise power that you 're trying to reduce . And so , eh {disfmarker} so thereshould be a difference {vocalsound} of {disfmarker} you know , conceptually of {disfmarker} of , uh , a factor of two in the exponent .PhD A: Mm - hmm.Professor B: But there 're so many different little factors that you adjust in terms of {disfmarker} of , uh , {vocalsound} uh , over - subtraction and {disfmarker}and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and so forth , um , that {vocalsound} arguably , you 're c and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and thechoice of do you {disfmarker} do you operate on the mel bands or do you operate on the FFT beforehand . There 're so many other choices to make that are{disfmarker} are almost {disfmarker} well , if not independent , certainly in addition to {pause} the choice of whether you , uh , do spectral subtraction orWiener filtering , that , um , {vocalsound} @ @ again we sort of felt the gang should just sort of figure out which it is they wanna do and then let 's pick it , goforward with it . So that 's {disfmarker} that was {disfmarker} that was last week . And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and , uh , we said , uh , take a week , goarm wrestle , you know ,Grad D: Oh .Professor B: figure it out . I mean , and th the joke there was that each of them had specialized in one of them .PhD A: Oh ,OK .Professor B: And {disfmarker} and so they {disfmarker} so instead they went to Yosemite and bonded , and {disfmarker} and they came out with a single{disfmarker} single piece of software . So it 's {vocalsound} another {disfmarker} another victory for international collaboration . So .PhD A: So {disfmarker} soyou guys have combined {disfmarker} or you 're going to be combining the software ?Professor B: Uh .PhD C: Well , the piece of software has , like , plenty ofoptions ,PhD E: Oh boy .PhD C: like you can parse command - line arguments . So depending on that , it {disfmarker} it becomes either spectral subtraction orWiener filtering .PhD A: Oh , OK .PhD C: So , yePhD A: They 're close enough .Professor B: Well , that 's fine , but the thing is {disfmarker} the important thing isthat there is a piece of software that you {disfmarker} that we all will be using now .PhD C: Yeah . Yeah .Professor B: Yes .PhD C: There 's just one piece ofsoftware .PhD E: Yeah .Professor B: Yeah .PhD E: I need to allow it to do everything and even more {disfmarker} more than this .PhD C: Right .PhD E: Well , ifwe want to , like , optimize different parameters of {disfmarker}PhD C: Parameters . Yeah .Professor B: Sure .PhD E: Yeah , we can do it later . But , still{disfmarker} so , there will be a piece of software with , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} uh , will give this system , the fifty - three point sixty - six , by default and{disfmarker}Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD A: How {disfmarker} how is {disfmarker} how good is that ?PhD E: Mm - hmm .PhD A: I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}I don't have a sense of {disfmarker}PhD E: It 's just one percent off of the {pause} best proposal .PhD C: Best system .PhD E: It 's between {disfmarker} i weare second actually if we take this system .PhD A: OK .Professor B: Yeah .PhD C: Yeah .PhD E: Right ?PhD A: Compared to the last evaluation numbers ? Yeah.Professor B: But , uh {disfmarker} w which we sort of were beforePhD C: Yeah .PhD E: Mm - hmm . Yeah .Professor B: but we were considerably far behind .And the thing is , this doesn't have neural net in yet for instance . You know ?PhD E: Mm - hmm .PhD A: Hmm .Professor B: So it {disfmarker} so , um , it 's{disfmarker} it it 's not using our full bal bag of tricks , if you will .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: And , uh , and it {disfmarker} it is , uh , very close inperformance to the best thing that was there before . Uh , but , you know , looking at it another way , maybe more importantly , uh , {vocalsound} we didn'thave any explicit noise , uh , handling {disfmarker} stationary {disfmarker} dealing with {disfmarker} e e we didn't explicitly have anything to deal withstationary noise .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: And now we do .PhD A: So will the {pause} neural net operate on the output from either the Wiener filtering orthe spectral subtraction ? Or will it operate on the original ?Professor B: Well , so {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} so argu arguably , I mean , what we should do{disfmarker} I mean , I gather you have {disfmarker} it sounds like you have a few more days of {disfmarker} of nailing things down with the software and soon . But {disfmarker} and then {disfmarker} but , um , {vocalsound} arguably what we should do is , even though the software can do many things , we shouldfor now pick a set of things , th these things I would guess , and not change that .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: And then focus on {pause} everything that 'sleft . And I think , you know , that our goal should be by next week , when Hynek comes back , {vocalsound} uh , to {disfmarker} uh , really just to have a firmpath , uh , for the {disfmarker} you know , for the time he 's gone , of {disfmarker} of , uh , what things will be attacked . But I would {disfmarker} I would{disfmarker} I would thought think that what we would wanna do is not futz with this stuff for a while because what 'll happen is we 'll change many other thingsin the system ,PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: and then we 'll probably wanna come back to this and possibly make some other choices . But , um .PhD A: Butjust conceptually , where does the neural net go ? Do {disfmarker} do you wanna h run it on the output of the spectrally subtracted {disfmarker} ?PhD E: Mmm.Professor B: Well , depending on its size {disfmarker} Well , one question is , is it on the , um , server side or is it on the terminal side ? Uh , if it 's on the serverside , it {disfmarker} you probably don't have to worry too much about size .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: So that 's kind of an argument for that . We do still ,however , have to consider its latency . So the issue is {disfmarker} is , um , {vocalsound} for instance , could we have a neural net that only looked at the past?PhD A: Right .Professor B: Um , what we 've done in uh {disfmarker} in the past is to use the neural net , uh , to transform , {vocalsound} um , all of thefeatures that we use . So this is done early on . This is essentially , {vocalsound} um , um {disfmarker} I guess it 's {disfmarker} it 's more or less like a spee a


Project Manager: Okay . Here we go . Alright , the agenda for thi oh . Alright . Um the agenda for this meeting {vocalsound} is um {disfmarker} we'll initiallyhave the prototype presentation by our two designers . And then we will evaluate it , given the criteria that um that we gave gave it . And um talk about ourfinances , whether we were under or over our budget . I have a um a spreadsheet where we can calculate um our prices for every aspect of of what we've made ,given our options . And um evaluate the product , as a group .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: And um {disfmarker} So first we'll have the prototypepresentation . Do you need the um PowerPoint for this ?Industrial Designer: Um yeah . I just got a few slides , so show them .Project Manager: Alright .IndustrialDesigner: Thank you . Do you want to present it ? {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah , here we are .UserInterface: {vocalsound} This is what we came up with . It's a pretty simple design . It's um based on a mango ? Yeah . And {vocalsound} we{disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: On ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Mango shape .Project Manager: {vocalsound} A mango . Okay.User Interface: Yeah . And we have the company logo here and this will be the infrared hereIndustrial Designer: The L_E_D_ .User Interface: and this'll be thepower point , the on off button kind {disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh . Okay .User Interface: yeah .Marketing: I'm sorry .Project Manager: Oops .Marketing:What was the {disfmarker} where's the L_E_D_ ?User Interface: It's in the middle of one of the little R_s .Marketing: Oh . Okay .User Interface: And then theother one is the power . And uh we just have a simple design . We wanted it all to beIndustrial Designer: So it's palm-held .User Interface: accessible from yourthumbIndustrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: {disfmarker} yeah palm-heldProject Manager: Yeah .User Interface: and all the buttons are accessible from yourthumb .Project Manager: Notice you have a number ten button .User Interface: So you don't have to {disfmarker} Oh that was a mistake , wasn't it ?ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: You just need the nought . {vocalsound}User Interface: Right no , that's a zero .Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Take that one off . {vocalsound} Sorry . I was in charge of the numbers . {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} No problem .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Ah .User Interface: And this is just if you'vegot like eleven or twelve or thirt the plus .Industrial Designer: So one plus one would be eleven ,User Interface: {vocalsound} You can go one , three orsomething .Industrial Designer: or {disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh . You press a plus button ?User Interface: You press that first and then you go one threeyeah .Project Manager: Oh okay . I've never heard of that kind before .User Interface: Well we just thought , we have all the numbers here , so we wantedsomething representative of numbers larger than ten and {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah because if you {disfmarker} on youraverage um remote , if you press one twice you just go to {disfmarker} um or uh say you wanted channel twelve , you press one , and then you go to channelone , and then two then you'd just go to channel two , instead of twelve .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Oh , there's no eProject Manager: Oh .IndustrialDesigner: So if you did like one plus two you could go to channel twelve , or two plus two is channel twenty two .User Interface: So the plus and then{disfmarker}Marketing: okay .User Interface: yeah .Project Manager: IMarketing: Okay .Project Manager: But {disfmarker} Would you have to go zero plus oneif you wanted to go to channel one or two ?User Interface: No no , th all {disfmarker} that's why we have all these numbers . These numbers um these numbersall work independently up to nine . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah but I mean if you press , it'll go to that channel right away . 'Cause you gotta press theplus afterwards .User Interface: Yeah . Oh no . Uh , the plus is only for if you're going past the number nine .Project Manager: Yeah I know , but if if I wanna goto say number like sixty five , channel sixty five , if I press the six it'll go to channel six , and then I'll press the plus , and then it'll go to six and then put the fiveand it'll go to sixty five ?Marketing: Sixty .User Interface: You p Oh . No you press the plus first .Industrial Designer: Oh .User Interface: I I {disfmarker} well itdoesn't {disfmarker} we haven't really s I would've thought you pressed the plus first and then the six five ,Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: but she saysplus {disfmarker} {vocalsound} press {disfmarker} which {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Well I don't mind , we can further define that .User Interface: whatdo you think is simpler ?Project Manager: I th Um {disfmarker}User Interface: It's a {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: I wouldn't have thought it'd be a problemthat it went to channel six first , in like on the way to channel sixty five .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah it wouldn't be a problem . But I was justwonderingIndustrial Designer: But I suppose it's not as snappy .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: like as long as we realise that's what it'll do .Marketing:Well the there is a {disfmarker} there's a delay on remotes I think .User Interface: Oops . Yeah .Marketing: Where you can have it {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .Marketing: it's like a five second input time .Industrial Designer: Yeah . If you don't put it {disfmarker}Marketing: So as long as you hit themdadaIndustrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah ,User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: that {disfmarker} yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} it should be fine .ProjectManager: Yeah .Marketing: As long as there's not a big pause between the t hitting the two buttons .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Yeah . So{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Um {disfmarker}Marketing: Was there {disfmarker} so on the top there is volume and {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Andchannel ,User Interface: A channel .Industrial Designer: which is so you could just go like that without thinking about it , like {disfmarker}Marketing: Channel upvolume up . Okay cool .Project Manager: C_ and V_ .User Interface: Just so we can flick {disfmarker}Project Manager: Right , where um where's the powerbutton ?Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: It's in the middle of one of the little R_s . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: It's the bigger R_ .Marketing: It's the R_.Project Manager: Oh okay .Industrial Designer: So it's just like {vocalsound} .User Interface: Yeah ,Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: so it's all accessible .Without m taking your hand off the remote .Industrial Designer: We deciProject Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah um we went for like a a circular designfor the numbersMarketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: because we thought that's kind of a more natural movement than just going like that with your thumb.Project Manager: Oh okay .Industrial Designer: Uh e ergonomics are all considered .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Ergonomic ,definitely ergonomic .User Interface: And {vocalsound} it might actually help with the repetitive stress injury as well .Marketing: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: It could cause another type of repetitive stress injury though .User Interface: Okay . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: But yeah , no I mean it's adifferent movementMarketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: so {disfmarker} yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Um and the feel of it , I mean ,we've made this out of Play Doh , which is representing the , you know , the rubber , and the spongy rubberness .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: The spon yeah .User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Um 'cause it was said before in the material specificationthat this {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} this anti-R_S_I_ um material is often used in stress balls so this has got a you know a bit of give to it ,Project Manager:Yeah .Industrial Designer: and it just feels feels different .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Bit of a stress ball feel .Industrial Designer: Would you like tofeel it yourselves ?User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yes . I would .Industrial Designer: How it fits in the palm of your hand ?Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: My goodness .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Thanks .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} There you go.Industrial Designer: And you ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: Genevieve ?Marketing: YesProject Manager: Yeah . {vocalsound}Marketing: . Oh it's nice . Oh Ithink I killed the five .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: I did .Project Manager: And something hmm . {vocalsound}Marketing: I killed the four . Ohgod . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: O Okay , as for the colours , we were presented with um a limited range of colours for this prototype .User Interface: OfPlay Doh yeah .Marketing: Oh it smells good . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: But we're thinking that , seeing as we're having it in interchangeable casinganyway , that this is not necessarily a representation of the true colours that we would necessarily use . Or the combination . Um and we're thinking to carry-onwith the fruit and vegetable theme , the colour um combination just could just be named after different fruit , like banana could be black and yellow , watermelonred and green ,Project Manager: Oh right .Industrial Designer: or vanilla might be the most popular if it just uh blends inUser Interface: 'Cause it'd be quite subtleand {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: more settled cream instead of the others are all a bit garish .Project Manager: Yeah . It looks more {disfmarker} Think likevanilla and banana would .Industrial Designer: Banana's more representative of our colour scheme , like the company {disfmarker} the yellow and black .ProjectManager: Okay yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: So that {disfmarker} for corporate identity that would probably be the most strength .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I mean watermelon , you know , m probably appealing tothe {disfmarker}Project Manager: Kinda Christmas , you know .Industrial Designer: yeah , seasonal .User Interface: Yeah , yeah , yeah . {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Apple green , brown , more kinda trendy , you know , khaki {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: The pomegranate's kinda girly andfunky kind of ,Project Manager: Cool .User Interface: and then the vanilla's more for the more sophisticated {vocalsound} customer who just wants somethingthat fits in with all decor .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah . Okay . Um yeah we thought of the components it was definitely um a focus ofergonomics and just a single ha handheld device , I mean you don't need to use both hands , one hand to hold this and type in with the other , you can just useyour thumb .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Um , as we said the rubber's probably used for comfort and anti-R_S_I_ and that's about it .Project


User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay . {vocalsound} Yeah . That's okay . That's okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay.Project Manager: Am I starting now ? Anytime ? Oh sorry . 'Kay , um . Alright , welcome back fro to the second meeting . And um I hope you had a productivelast thirty minutes .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um , and um , I'll be taking minutes on this one , and um {disfmarker} Being hooked up to thePowerPoint for this meeting isn't very necessary for uh myself , because it'll be more about uh , what you guys are bringing to the meeting today . Um , so , thefirst presentation we'll be looking at is Poppy's presentation . And , um {disfmarker} So , sorry ? So , um , take it away Poppy .Industrial Designer: Okay . Um ,do I need to {disfmarker} {gap}Project Manager: It's , it's plugged in . So , um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: plugged in .User Interface: F_ eight , w .Function F_ eight .Industrial Designer: F_ okay . Function F_ eight . Sorry about this guys .Project Manager: No problem .User Interface: {gap}IndustrialDesigner: 'Kay . {gap} is on . Right . {gap} Okay . I will take this time just to apologise .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I , I only , uh ,received my emails later on . 'Cause I was too busy carried away doing my own thing ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: which is not obviously not avery good part of a team-working thing .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: But there we go .Project Manager: I'm sure it's fine .IndustrialDesigner: Um , so I was looking at how we're going to go about the working design , and what we actually need to do , and what the remote control needs to do .And it needs to um allow a person to have a portable desi device , so they can control the television from wherever they are . They don't need to actuallymanually touch the television set . So , it gives them much more flexibility , and allows them to be where they want to be . Um , from {disfmarker} Uh , on afunctional side of things , we found out that wh from our previous meeting , we decided that there're certain points that will make our product unique . Um , oneis the visibility in the dark , which was um Genevieve's idea . So we need to think about how we could bring this in um technically . And we could use illuminatedbuttons , which we are all familiar with when we're using a mobile phone , or um something fam familiar . A automatically , um lights up at first touch . Or wecould use fluorescent materials which would just um take in the light during the day , and then as soon as they go off they would glow in the dark . Um , also wecould use um an alarm . So if we lost the um remote control , perhaps there could be a button on the television set itself , which you could press , and then analarm from the handset would sound where it was , hopefully in the room . Maybe behind a cushion or somewhere .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Um , so that would work . Um , oop . Go back there . Um , another thing I think we d missed out on on the last meeting was thefact that we should consider the environmental impact of our design . Um , from previous researches I've carried out on other projects , um we've learnt aboutsmart materials where um um specific alloys of metals have a shape memory .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So theycan be heated and um and cooled , and they change the shape of um the metal . So , for example , a screw that's holding something together could expand and itwould force all the components apart . So um , the benefits of this for our product would be that when it came to the end of its product life , if it was heated , umeverything would spring apart . So , all the um individual components could be easily separated , and then some could be reused , some could be recycled , and Ithink that would be very important for products now . Especially 'cause there's much uh responsibility for all the um companies who are coming up with like newdesigns . 'Cause all , we all know that our resources are being limited , and we have to be very environmentally conscious .Project Manager: Right , um , onequestion . This , um , self-destructible uh metal , it allows for recycling materials ?Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: So that , um , someone could havethis product for as long as they felt that they wanted it , and then once they contribute it , then that company can break down the part , the parts better?Industrial Designer: Um {disfmarker} And then {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah they would , um you would make the , the product as you normally would , apart fromthe , the bits that hold it all together would be made out of this shape-memory alloy . And that's the part that would um allow all the other parts to be separatedat the end . I mean , the user would return the p product to the company , 'cause it's the product's responsibility to get rid of what they've made . Um , and thenthe company could then just use , make use of this shape-memory alloys to split up the components ,Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: and then eitherreuse some bits , and other bits which are obviously gonna wear out with time , or not usable , they might be like be able to put into scrap metal . Something likethe case , if it's scratched or something , you would want to reuse it , but you might be able to melt it down and reuse it again somewhere else .Project Manager:Mm-hmm . Would we be the company that would break down these , or uh metals ? Or would we contribute to another group ?Industrial Designer: You could{disfmarker} we could probably empl em employ a , a side company or something to do that for us . But it would be our responsibility to get that done and todispose of the products that we made . For a certain percentage at least .Project Manager: Alright .Industrial Designer: Not every , not a hundred percent ofeverything we produce ,Project Manager: Okay . This sounds like a really great idea .Industrial Designer: but {disfmarker}Project Manager: One thing we have toconsider is our uh one hundred percent um turnover goal that we have for our financial sector .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah .Project Manager: Um , so we'llhave to investigate how much that will cost us , cost the company ,Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: um 'cause it sounds very labour-intensive . Youwould have to hire a number of people , and it might be more expensive .Industrial Designer: Well I {disfmarker} the fact of the shape-memory alloys is thatthey , they don't need to be manually de um deconstructed . Like , you don't have to individually um unscrew all the screws . Because of this , their properties aresmart material .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: All you need is just the heat , so they self-destruct themselves .Project Manager: Alright . We'llstill have to investigate the financial implications .Industrial Designer: So I suppose it does need like high contact , yeah , you know high uh quality machinery ,and very specific machinery , but {disfmarker}Project Manager: Alright . I like the environmental approach . Um , we'll have to see if that can meet our financialgoals as well .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Okay . Um also there is um components . This'll be how it uh will actually work . But I haven't put this plan together yet.Project Manager: I'm sorry , could you {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: There we goProject Manager: Those were um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: . Sorry ,should I go back . This would actually show the circuit diagram . Although I haven't come up with the final circuit yet .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer:So I just {gap} put all those components in .Project Manager: So those are what , um , we'll c construct the remote . Those are all the {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: Yeah . I it just shows what sort of energy source . It could be a battery , like rechargeable probably . Um , an' yeah , well how the infrared will actuallybe sent through the chip to be received by the chip on the television set itself .Project Manager: Alright . Great .Industrial Designer: Okay ? So , now is it F_ eightagain to escape ? Or escape ? There we go . Okay .Project Manager: Alright . Thank you very much . And , um , the next presenter will be Tara .IndustrialDesigner: Thank you .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: There you go Tara .User Interface: Thanks . Can you see ?Marketing: Oh ,{vocalsound}User Interface: Do you think {disfmarker} Is it uh , function eight yeah ?Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Function F_ eight .Marketing:{vocalsound} Function F_ eight .Project Manager: Function F_ eight . Sorry .Industrial Designer: The one at the top .User Interface: Oh right . Okay .Marketing:That looks right .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Okay . I'm the User {vocalsound} um User Interface Designer . Uh , the technical functions design of theapparatus is the effect the apparatus should have . Um , in this case it's the function of the remote control , which is to send messages to the television ,television set . By taking inspiration from other similar designs , we'll try and come up with an original trendy remote control , which is sellable international .There're two functional design options . A multifunctional remote control , which can be used for several entertainment devices . And a single function remotecontrol , used specifically for the television . {vocalsound}Marketing: I'm sorry , what was that last one . Multifunctional and {disfmarker}User Interface: Sorry .Um , a single function just for the television itself .Marketing: Ch Oh , I see .User Interface: Yeah . Um , multifunctional controls can be difficult to use , as themultitude of buttons can be confusing . A single function remote control is simpler to use , but it means you have to have other remote controls for your otherentertainment devices .Marketing: 'Kay .User Interface: Um , I think that a single function remote control would be preferable , because it's easier to use . It'd bemore compatible with a range of television sets , making it more internationally sellable . Um , it will make an original design more obtainable , as we have lessfunctional necessities to include in the design . And it would be more profitable as it would be more simplistic . And less functions would have to be included . So itwould be cheaper to make . And probably more sellable just because it's more compatible with a r a wider range of devices . Does anyone have any questions ?{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} So as far as we know , um , a single function television remote control is us usable internationally ?User Interface: Well ,it's just that , when we're creating it , we're , we have to make it um compatible with different brands of devices .Marketing: {gap} Right .User Interface: And itwould be easier to make it compatible with just different brands of television devices rather than other ent ,Marketing: D_V_D_s and V_C_R_ ?User Interface:yeah ,Project Manager: Right .Marketing: Okay .User Interface: other entertainment devices .Project Manager: Does everyone agree with this ? Does anyoneobject and , and find the multifunctional might be a better way to go ?Industrial Designer: Um , {vocalsound} I was just wondering about the , what , whatGenevieve said before , about having like some hidden controls like having the outer casing . And that would probably , um , I d , well well what you said before


Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound} Well , let's start . What are we doing ? Oops . {vocalsound}User Interface: Hmm .Industrial Designer: Ah , pinball .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Okay . Okay . Not doing .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:Mm . Ah . Hey . {vocalsound} Ah .Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker}User Interface: Oh .Marketing: Now I have my screen back too . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Very good .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} {gap} we have presentations . So first , it's your turn .Industrial Designer: {gap}User Interface: Mine . Oh , great .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Yeah . Isn't it amazing . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Huh . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah . Very interesting .User Interface: Uh{disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Industrial Designer . Interface concept.User Interface: {vocalsound} Yes , well uh let's uh talk about the interface uh concept . Uh , first I'll uh I'll uh discuss the buttons we just chose , uh show yousome samples , uh uh discuss some colours and design maybe , already . And uh my personal preferences . {vocalsound} Well we chose the power button toswitch the television on and off . The bu uh the mute button to switch the volume on and o on and off . The channels buttons , one to nine , and uh off uh uh zeroto nine , and the uh button to choose uh higher channels than nine . Uh the volume and channel quadrants , uh left and right , up and down arrows , to uh do thevolume and channel . And the menu menu button to man manipulate the L_C_D_ uh display . Um , I found some uh interesting uh uh samples . Examples.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Um , well uh what's pretty standard is uh that it's {disfmarker} that they're all pretty uh uh high uh{disfmarker}Marketing: Large .User Interface: Yeah . Yeah . Large and and and pretty thin and uh and long .Marketing: A lot {disfmarker} a lot of buttonsbuttons .User Interface: Um , power buttons are mostly at the top uh left or right . Um , well we see the the the same uh arrows . Like there . And uh{disfmarker} Yeah , well arrow b buttons can be blue . And what's interesting is the the the icons on the buttons . Some buttons have icons like the play and stop, but we don't use that . But uh , these we we have to choose the right icons , or or letters . Uh this is the V_ for volume , but they're both uh a V_ .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}User Interface: So it's it's not really very uh clear what's the function of that .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Um {disfmarker} Yeah . So, that's {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Can you go back one page ? For the uh menu , what do we use for that ? We don't have buttons for themenu .User Interface: Uh , well {disfmarker}Project Manager: Or we may have to use channel of the volume and channel {gap} .User Interface: Yeah . I thoughtthat was our uh idea .Project Manager: Okay . But {gap} uh {disfmarker}User Interface: So , uh how {disfmarker}Project Manager: You have to put it on the{disfmarker}User Interface: Like this .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Or or this . And that the menu button is okay .Project Manager: Yeah but , has tobe clear that you can use the arrows .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah , okay .Marketing: Yes .User Interface: Uh , so the {disfmarker} The icons on the arrows, as well , you mean .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Yes . The second one .User Interface: Yeah . Uh , well that's something to uh think about .{vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Uh , maybe I'll have something in my uh presentation . And you will see it .User Interface: Okay.Marketing: Okay . {vocalsound}User Interface: Um , well I don't I don't know if we have to discuss this already , or in the next uh meeting .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: But uh , as we have to uh to to design the the case and the whole uh remote control in our uh our our corporate uh company uh uhcolours and the logo , I would uh recommend a yellow case . Uh , round edges . The logo at the bottom . And uh , well maybe each each uh set of buttons uh hasuh has his own colour . So , it's good . Uh , recognisable . K so , I think .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Not too much colours .User Interface: Uh , no . Not toomuch .Project Manager: No , it's not flower power .User Interface: But uh {disfmarker} No , no , no . But this has to be has to be trendy and uh {disfmarker} and{gap} {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager: S okay .User Interface: Uh , yeah so good uh good icons on the buttons , and uh and big buttons is my uhpersonal uh opinion .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: That was that .Project Manager: Thank you . So , you're next .Industrial Designer: I'm next , okay .{vocalsound} Yes . No . Here we go .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh , at first we will uh I will f uhsay something about what younger people want ,Marketing: {gap} Okay .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: our uh groupw uh w uh we want to uh sell our remote controls to . And then , I'll discuss what my opinion is about the costs , about uh what battery is in it , what kind ofbuttons also . First uh , the younger people , they want like soft mat uh materials and primary colours . Like , totally yellow , totally red . Uh , so it's visible . Uh ,the shapes are curved and round , like uh you also said . Maybe it's nice to uh get a remote control not like all the other ones , straight and uh flat and long . Butto give him the shape of your hand , so you {disfmarker} it's easier to use or something like that . But that's just an idea . And then , I'll have to discuss aboutthe costs uh of all the things for the remote control . The battery , there are few options . Uh , I think the best option is to use uh the basic battery . So ,everybody can buy it uh at the at the supermarket . Or use uh a k uh kinetic battery like uh within a watch . When you uh shake it a few times , it it's loaded . Uh, the the form of the remote control , I think it's also nice {gap} have it curved . And maybe like it's hand-shaped . Uh , so uh you take it here in your hand andhere are the buttons . Uh material , you use plastic . Hard plastic uh because uh {gap} it won't have to burst uh like in the {disfmarker} in one time . And alsorubber because the younger people like that , what we see in the research . Uh the push-buttons . We have one new thing uh discovered . It's a scroll push uhthing like a mouse . Maybe it's uh easy to use uh for the channels . When you want to go m move up , you just scroll up and click on the button , if you wanna seethe next , uh if you wanna see that channel . And also for the mouse , uh for the volume , it's also uh easy to use . Just scroll a bit up , scroll a bit down . Andthat's also easy just w when you have a thing like this , and you get it here . You can do it with your thumb . And with your l left hand you can uh push thebuttonsMarketing: Hmm .Industrial Designer: uh if you {gap} push uh channel one , you can see channel one . The electrics um with a scroll push uh button , wemust use regular uh chips . There are also uh simple chips . They are uh cheaper . Um , but then we have just a basic uh uh remote control , and I think there area lot of those uh things , and people won't buy it any more . They have seen enough of it . And you have also advanced um chips . But that's with the L_C_D_ uhscreen . And the costs will increase a lot more . And I think our budget is too low to use and an L_C_D_ , and the chip who is more expensive . And maybe it'salso then uh thoughtful if we u uh use uh as um different kind of uh shapes for the {disfmarker} for remote control , that we then use the primary colours . Like ,you get a yellow uh remote control , red one , blue one , et cetera . You have any more questions about this ? I think the main thing is we look at the costs.Marketing: Yep .Project Manager: Hmm .Industrial Designer: And not too basic , not a basic remote control , who everybody already has .Marketing: Yeah . But ,thi i uh {disfmarker} This is with an L_C_D_ ? No ,Industrial Designer: Not with an L_C_D_ .Marketing: not .Project Manager: No , isn't .Industrial Designer: No.Project Manager: But the L_C_D_ is easy when you use the scroll uh buttons . Then you can scroll , you see what number , and then you push .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah . But then , what I say , the costs will uh get a lot higher .Project Manager: But then it's not easy to use scroll uh wheel . If you don't{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Th then you'll see it on the television .Project Manager: Hmm , yes . But then . Yeah , then you go one down one up . When youscroll .Industrial Designer: but l when you see a menu uh on the television , it's like you see uh one to twenty , you go uh uh s scroll up , and push number twtwenty . YeahProject Manager: but like we said before , it has to be used on every television . Yeah So you may not be uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: No . The television must do that . So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm . Yeah , I think the younger people will havenewer televisions , which can provide our uh remote control .Project Manager: Yeah but young people have to have all their uh room . And mostly they aresmaller . So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yes . But that won't be a problem . I think .Project Manager: Most the times that are not advanced televisions.Industrial Designer: No , but then we'll get to the regular uh remote controls .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And I think , what I said , everybodyhas them uh has them already . And they go to a uh supermarket and buy them uh for two Euros . Uh , and ge and get the most cheapest uh thing . And I thinkwe must look further to uh to devel d develop something news .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Uh , can you give an indication in b uh in the cost differencebetween uh the chip with L_C_D_ or without ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I got it on my screen and it was uh higher . But I don't know uh how muchhigher . {vocalsound}Marketing: 'Cause it {disfmarker}Project Manager: That's important .Marketing: I think if we have an L_C_D_ , it will also sell a lot better.Industrial Designer: That's true .Marketing: And that might uh bring back the costs uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: But then we'll {disfmarker} I think wemust discuss who {disfmarker} uh what will be better . If we have a better shape of the um remote control , or better options on it . With a scroll menu , a wscroll thing , and a L_C_D_ . And then a flat um remote control . Or , a more hand-shaped remote control , with scroll , without L_C_D_ .Project Manager: Yeah .Maybe you can look how how much it is for the L_C_D_ .Industrial Designer: I can uh look on my uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}It's very important .Industrial Designer: {gap} Uh {disfmarker} Note that the push-button requires a simple chip chip . A scroll wheel requires minimally aregular chip , which is a higher price range . The display requires a advanced chip , which is which in turn is more expensive than the regular chip .Project


Lynne Neagle AM: Okay, good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and Education Committee. We've received no apologies for absence.Can I ask Members whether there are any declarations of interest, please? No. Okay. Thank you. Item 2 this morning is our evidence session with the CabinetSecretary for Education for our inquiry into the status of the Welsh baccalaureate qualification. I'm very pleased to welcome Kirsty Williams AM, Cabinet Secretaryfor Education; Kevin Palmer, who is deputy director, pedagogy, leadership and professional learning; and Andrew Clark, deputy director, further education andapprenticeships division. So, thank you all for attending, and we're looking forward to hearing what you've got to say. If you're happy, Cabinet Secretary, we'll gostraight to questions.Kirsty Williams AM: Of course.Lynne Neagle AM: And the first questions are from Julie Morgan.Julie Morgan AM: Thank you very much,Chair, and bore da. I was going to ask some general questions about the value of the baccalaureate. Could you give us your views on how the Welsh bac is valuedby learners and teachers?Kirsty Williams AM: Bore da, Julie, and thank you very much for your question. Firstly, I'd like to begin by saying that I as the CabinetSecretary value the qualification very much indeed. I believe that it helps ensure that we are able to give our young people in Wales a broad and balancedcurriculum, recognising the need to develop knowledge and skills in core subjects but recognising also that the purpose of education is to help prepare ourchildren for further study and the world of work, and I believe that the skills challenge element of the baccalaureate does just that. I meet with young people andteachers all the time who tell me about the positive experiences they have had studying for the Welsh bac, and much of that was evidenced in QualificationsWales's review into the Welsh baccalaureate. They did focus group work with a representative sample, and many of the learners expressed the fact that they haveenjoyed studying for the qualification and have gained a great deal from it. I meet regularly with individuals who have been able to use their bac to successfullygain a place at university, so I believe there's a huge value for Welsh young people being able to study this particular qualification alongside the more traditionalqualifications that perhaps we're all used to. I think the challenge is that, given that many people are very familiar with what a GCSE is and, as parents, we willknow what that is and many of us will have done—some of us are so old we'll have done O-levels. We know what those traditional qualifications look like, andtherefore a new qualification—there's always a job of work to do to communicate that, if people aren't used to it, but I value it hugely. I think that, whilst there isalways room for improvement—and, of course, you'll be aware of the review that Qualifications Wales undertook and that has suggested ways in which we canfurther improve and refine the qualification, but I think it is a valuable piece of work for Welsh young people to undertake.Julie Morgan AM: It's great that you'vebeen around listening to learners and what they have said about it. Have you had any negative feedback?Kirsty Williams AM: Well, occasionally, of course, we dohave concerns raised with us, and those concerns are similar to the ones that have been raised in the Qualifications Wales review. So, for instance, we sometimeshave concerns about how some students balance the Welsh bac with other qualifications they may be taking. Some teachers feed back around the workloadissues associated with the Welsh baccalaureate. For some students, there may be concerns about the nature of the Welsh bac and whether that can impactnegatively on their well-being. And, obviously, that's why Qualifications Wales have undertaken this piece of work so that we can refine, if necessary, thatqualification and how we continue to look at how we ensure my belief that taking the Welsh bac should be the norm for students but also recognising that, insome cases, there needs to be flexibility to ensure that the well-being of the student is not compromised.Julie Morgan AM: And so would you say that it's valuedby learners more or less at key stage 4 or post 16?Kirsty Williams AM: Well, I think that, as I said, the vast majority of students I meet report very positivelyabout the opportunities that are afforded for studying at that level. Occasionally, we hear from students who I believe think that in studying the subject they maybe compromising their chances because they want to do additional A-levels, and I'm sure we'll come on to, later on, whether universities, and whether the RussellGroup universities in particular, value the qualification. But I feel that there are particular strengths. And I think what's really important, and, in talking touniversities, since the qualification became graded, rather than just a pass/fail qualification—I think that added rigour since 2015 has been particularly importantin ensuring that there's real value in students undertaking that work.Julie Morgan AM: And what about the effect that the leadership in the school has on the waythat the bac is received? Have you—?Kirsty Williams AM: As always, Julie, leadership is crucial, and students' experiences can be very coloured by the attitudetowards the teacher delivering that particular course. And, therefore, we need to continue, alongside the WJEC and Qualifications Wales, to ensure that the Welshbac is communicated to children in a positive way, the benefits are explained to children and their parents, and, also, we need to ensure that those who aretasked with teaching Welsh bac in their schools or colleges feel confident in their ability to do so and to ensure that students have a really positive experience ofthat qualification, because if you're being taught by someone who is telling you, 'Oh, I don't know why we're having to do this', then, obviously that's going tocolour how you feel about it. And, if I'm honest, I recently attended a youth forum, where young people from the county were discussing all sorts ofissues—everything from the environment to their experience in school—and I was struck by the group of year 12 and year 13 students. I specifically asked themabout the bac—I always take the opportunity to ask them about their experience of the baccalaureate. One school, the group of students said, 'It's fantastic. Wereally enjoy it. It's really valuable. I'm learning a lot.' Students from a school seven miles away—just seven miles away—said, 'Oh, I don't know why we're havingto do this.' And I suspect that that has got more to do with how that is being delivered in their institutions than it has about the quality of the qualification. So, weneed to keep ensuring that those who are tasked with this see it as important, communicate that to students, and have the confidence and the ability to deliver areally positive experience.Julie Morgan AM: I think our experiences in the committee are very similar. Within the same room, actually, we've had two completelydifferent sets of views. So, what do you intend to do to try to ensure that there's consistent support and enthusiasm for the bac from the leaders?Kirsty WilliamsAM: Well, first of all, we have the design group of Qualifications Wales looking to address some of the issues that arose out of the report around ensuring that,especially from a teacher workload perspective, it's not too onerous in terms of assessment. So, there's that to do to make sure that we're not asking children toduplicate and do things over and over and over again, which, of course, for any of us, would be wearing and we would question to the value of. So, there's thedesign group looking at the qualification itself. We are ensuring, as part of our professional learning for teachers that—. There are existing opportunities via theregional consortia for support for teaching of the qualification. The WJEC has resources and support available, but we will look, as we roll out our nationalapproach to professional learning, at that the professional learning needs of those already in the system are addressed. Of course, our accreditation for our newinitial teacher education is predominantly addressed at being able to deliver the new curriculum, but, if you think about the elements of 'Successful Futures' andthe skills and the knowledge and the pedagogy associated with that, it's very much in line with the Welsh baccalaureate challenge certificate. So, actually, thereare opportunities via initial teacher education as well, and we continue to need to look to work with our partners to be able to reinforce why this is a worthwhilequalification. And I have to say I think the best people to do that—. It's not me. I'd like to see past students of the Welsh baccalaureate being able to talk abouttheir own experiences and why it's made a difference to them. I come across individuals for whom their place at university has been secured by that Welshbaccalaureate, and, all of a sudden, if that's what's got you your place, it becomes a lot more valuable than perhaps it was six months before. We need to makesure that students are aware, and teachers and school leaders are aware, of the importance that this qualification has.Lynne Neagle AM: Suzy, did you have asupplementary?Suzy Davies AM: Yes. I've got one on IT, but I'll leave that one. I just want to go back to Julie's question about whether there was a differentperspective or a different sense of value for students who are post 16 and those who are pre 16. When one of the college leaders here was asked whether he hadpeople coming to him in his FE college who've been through the pre-16 bac and had heard evidence or had stories of, basically, those children cobbling togethertheir bac in the last four weeks of term before they got there, he said that yes, that is his experience. Does that worry you at all, because, of course, the wholepurpose of bac is to teach skills over a period of time, and its purpose cannot be fulfilled by getting it all done in the last term of—which year am I in?—year 11, inorder to satisfy the curriculum?Kirsty Williams AM: Yes. Obviously, that's not the experience that we would want young people to have, and, as someone who hashad a daughter just finish year 11, that's certainly not the experience that my daughter had in her particular school, and I have another daughter who has justgone into year 10, where the Welsh bac has started in year 10 and it is a a two-year course in which elements are undertaken. Obviously, we will need toaddress, as part of the design group and the work that Qualifications Wales is doing, how that is playing out in individual schools. But that would not be a positiveexperience; we want this to be taken in exactly the same way as we would expect a GCSE to be taught over a period of two years. But, Andrew, I don't know ifthere's anything you'd like to add from the college perspective.Andrew Clark: I think it is variable. I think that it will depend on the feeder schools to the collegesand it'll depend upon the delivery models that are in existence in those schools. It's been around as a qualification now for about a decade, I think. There havebeen differences in the way that the subject has been—sorry, not the subject, the qualification has been delivered. And I think it'll be helped by a recent reviewby Qualifications Wales, because they're doing a survey at the moment as to different delivery models in different locations, and that, perhaps, will inform more


Project Manager: Uh 'kay . So {disfmarker}Marketing: So so so .User Interface: Put on your mic .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} So you forgot how this worksagain ?User Interface: Boss .Project Manager: Yep .Industrial Designer: {gap} Boss .Marketing: Maybe . Maybe maybe maybe .Project Manager: Okay so we'rehere to talk about the detailed design of the product , 'kay ?User Interface: Yep .Project Manager: And here's the agenda for this meeting . Uh I'm just gonnaopen , say a few boring words to start with again , and start taking minutes afterwards . You guys are gonna give us a presentation of our wonder product that Ican see some demonstrations of over there . Looks cool . And then we're gonna evaluate it .Marketing: {vocalsound} BraUser Interface: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Then we're gonna talk about finance , and I've got a lovely Excel spreadsheet that I knocked up in the last five minutes for this . And uhIndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Hmm you knocked it up ?Project Manager: yep . And {vocalsound} we're gonna evaluate the product and close .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Got forty minutes to do this in . We should be fine . Let's try and keep this one on schedule.User Interface: Alright .Project Manager: So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Your thing is in {disfmarker} whereis it ? Is it in {disfmarker}User Interface: Three , three .Industrial Designer: Thi third third third . The end product thingy . Yeah .Project Manager: Who wants it?User Interface: Pedro can have it .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: I like {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {gap} .User Interface: I'll help talk.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Um yeah so what we ended up with . Production costs estimated by our manufacturing department and um the researchdepartment , which is us , is uh fifteen point eight Euros ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: someone forgot the {vocalsound} units thereUserInterface: Unit price .Industrial Designer: yeah , uh unit price {disfmarker} unit production price cost thing . Um we implemented the basic functions , which isjust T_V_ functions plus the locator , which was one of the marketing things , cradle , scroll wheel for uh the {vocalsound} the channels , and uh we implementedthe f the the way of putting the new and revolutionary zapping , your favourite channels functionality , in the scroll .Project Manager: Zapping your favouritechannels , eh ?Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Scrolling through your favourites list .Project Manager: Oh okay okay .Industrial Designer: Zapping youknow zapping .Project Manager: Ah 'kay okay , that's favourites .Industrial Designer: Maybe it's just a Portuguese thing {vocalsound} . And um yeah that was theresult .Project Manager: Ah 'kay . I like the the the the logo on there as well .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: It's very prominent {vocalsound}.Project Manager: It is very prominent . So this is the {disfmarker}User Interface: So {vocalsound} here I'll give you the {disfmarker} so this is the cradle unit ,and this is the actual remote itself . Um so the scroll bar is {disfmarker} or the scroll wheel is this this green little scrolly guy here , um and then the volumecontrols are here and here .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Uh you've got the keypad which is the numbers uh f from zero to nine and then ten . This isthe power button . Uh we have our um {vocalsound} we have the enter button and uh what was the other button here ? This is the teletext .Industrial Designer:Start s the the start uh to to toUser Interface: The programme button ,Industrial Designer: programme yeah .Project Manager: Ah , okay I see .User Interface:yeah the programme button . So this bl this button will be used both for the favourites and for programming {vocalsound} your uh the um the type of televisionyou wanna use . So um the plastic is the white area of this {disfmarker} of the model here , and the red area is like a rubber covering .Project Manager: It'spretty cool .User Interface: So you can see that when it lays like this or like this {disfmarker} and the buttons are all gonna be rubber , so it's pretty hard toactually damage it um {disfmarker}Project Manager: Is that {disfmarker} could that be easy to {disfmarker} for the scroll wheel to be rotated if it lands on it?User Interface: Yeah that might be a possible a mi uh possible problem , but if you drop it {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Not helping {vocalsound} .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}User Interface: yeah {vocalsound} .Project Manager: Oh well I guess it depends on the stiffness a little of it .User Interface: Yeah and itdepends on if it's sliding , but I think it's pretty ergonomic . You can feel it .Project Manager: Mm . Feels good .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager:I take it that this is gonna be slightly lighter in the final design as well .User Interface: Yeah of course . Well this is clay {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah it's kinda cool . You have to reach a little bit don't you .User Interface: Yeah the the power button is a bit of areach , but I think we might scale down the final model a bit .Project Manager: Ah yeah that wouldn't make sense .User Interface: {vocalsound} These{disfmarker} this is a bit larger than it would be , but {disfmarker}Project Manager: It's cool . I'm impressed .Industrial Designer: Don't have no one to handlethat .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: And hold it so {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Marketing: Mm that's {disfmarker}Project Manager: wh what's themarketing perspective ?Marketing: oh that's {disfmarker} oh I like it . I mean you guys gave me more than I was asking for , so I'm happy because we've gotsome really marketable features in this . Yeah I think it's good . Good good good job .User Interface: Mm Pedro can demonstrate the the paging ability .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah . So you ha you have like the the base station with um the little button for the where's my remote .User Interface: Beep beep beep .Marketing:{vocalsound} Uh plaUser Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: The locator function .Marketing: I'm haProject Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .Marketing:It's great . That's great . It's a great feature .User Interface: Um beep beep beep {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm it's impressing .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Wicked isn't it ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} So let me get it ,User Interface: so {vocalsound}Project Manager: if I press thisbutton {disfmarker}User Interface: beep beep beep {vocalsound}Project Manager: I see . That's pretty cool . Hang on . {vocalsound}User Interface: beep beepbeep {vocalsound} be shut up . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: So you can take this ho take this home with you tonight and you canpush that and he'll be across town {disfmarker}User Interface: Beep beep beep {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I plan to do that aswell .User Interface: okay . Um no no no tha that's alriProject Manager: {vocalsound} So the the two blue {disfmarker} are are those for the the it to charge offof {disfmarker} in ?User Interface: Exactly that's exactly what those are for .Project Manager: Ah okay okay .User Interface: And um there's one other featurethat we were debating , but we decided to go against it , is um {disfmarker} you couldIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}UserInterface: beep beep beep {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: we were thinking that it might be interesting to have atrigger button here because you have this finger {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah {vocalsound} it's the right shape isn't it ?User Interface: it it's it kinda feelslike there should be something there , but we couldn't figure out what button is important enough to put there . And we we don't wanna accidentally be hitting thepower button like that so {disfmarker}Project Manager: But maybe if you had a trigger plus the scroll then that would get past the the problem of it landing andscrolling ,User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: 'cause then it would need to be hit on both sides {gap} .User Interface: Right . So maybe in a final design phasewe might tweak that a little bit ,Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: but {disfmarker}Marketing: Uh , I can see that .Project Manager: But it's definitely gotoptions for like different types of models and things as well based on that , hasn't it ?User Interface: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Yep I like . Good job .Project Manager:So is that the the final colour scheme as well or ?Marketing: {vocalsound} No no .User Interface: Oh no this is {vocalsound} just what we had to work with at thetime .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: So we'll leave the colour scheme up to the marketing people .Project Manager: The {disfmarker} hmm .UserInterface: {vocalsound} Careful .Project Manager: It came off . The scroll wheels , {gap} a problem with them not being sort of {disfmarker}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I don't think the user interface guy wants to touch it anymore .Marketing: Well I mean of course, I mean {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: My my s my suggestion is we're gonna go go to the silvers andblacks like most of the televisions .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: You know some blend of silvers and blacks .User Interface: {vocalsound} Beep beep beep .{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay enough of that .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well i it's cool guys . 'Kay so are we donewith the this presentation ?User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Ja .Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Now now .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: So you're not gonna find my uh my folder up there I gotta do mine up at theboard .Project Manager: Have you ? Okay .Marketing: Yeah yeah . So {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Project Manager: Can I not get your get at stuff from yourshared folder now ?Marketing: No it's not in there because I had the computer problem and I I I cou I couldn't create it .Project Manager: Oh I see I see.Marketing: I couldn't create it in the PowerPoint ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: and I think I've got this really strange cable . So what I had ,basically going from the PowerPoint format , is that uh yeah yeah I like this a lot . Is this one of the tests is to see how we can adapt to s changing situations inthe in the meeting room ?Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Nah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: So what we had is wehad the method . That's not how you spell method , is it ?User Interface: No way .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: No A_ {vocalsound} . {gap} .{vocalsound} So this doesn't go so fast this way . And when I speak about method I speak about the marketing of the product huh . And uh to me with thisproduct we got uh {disfmarker} we got {vocalsound} basically three things to market . We've got the features , we have the uh characteristics , and we have the{vocalsound} I I don't know what we would call the other part {disfmarker} what we call you know the the {vocalsound} the corp corporate {disfmarker} Help