{"doc_id":"doc_0","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Can I close this ?User Interface: Uh we don't have any changes , do we ?Project Manager: Oh , okay .User Interface: So no .{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} There we go . Okay , here we are again . Detailed design {disfmarker} oh , come on . Well {disfmarker} Ah {gap} sForgot to insert the minutes , but it's about the same thing we discussed before . Uh {disfmarker} Could open that anyway , think . Other design {disfmarker}anyway , we took as {disfmarker} we took w we took rubber as as the material last time . We also {gap} that you're just busy with it . Took the advanced chip tot uh implement the advanced features . Well , we discussed the design , no sharp corners , we rounded it off , like you see on the {gap} other screen , which isfine . Um {gap} we agreed that the colour should be b uh yellow and black . Yellow in the back because it's m trendy , more trendy than black anyway . So{vocalsound} then we ca yeah . We agreed that we would implement both the L_C_D_ and speech recognition , but I'll get to that in a moment . 'Cause somechanges in the finances have left us implications anyway . So so , like I said , we had no insight in finances , no prices ,Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: but wehave 'em now , and it's bad . Anyway . We are Oh . Prototype presentation , well first you guys built the prototype . So {vocalsound} you could {gap}{disfmarker} could present that . But um let's see what be handy to do . Nee {disfmarker} no , you just go ahead and present the {disfmarker} w we'll scrap itlater because {disfmarker} {gap} What ?Industrial Designer: I think it's more or less the same as we had .User Interface: It's basically what we agreed upon,Marketing: Hmm ?Project Manager: Oh that'sUser Interface: but just a little bit more specified .Industrial Designer: No much sProject Manager: hasn't changedthat much , huh ?Industrial Designer: No no no , not at all .Project Manager: I didn't expect anyway {gap} . You just coloured it . {vocalsound}User Interface: Uhs Final design . {vocalsound} Basically in {gap} {disfmarker} what we discussed , cover and buttons will be made of rubber , yellow colour , black components ,as you can see right over here .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . I like the menu .User Interface: We chose a different type of colour for the menu . A bit darkeryellow so that it com really shows in this keypad .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: If you put them all black , it's not really that good a contrast.Project Manager: And I suppose the the the yellow is not printed on the on the rubber . It's it's part of the rubber , I suppose .User Interface: So {disfmarker}ProbabProject Manager: I think that's more I think that's more durable anyway than printed on to {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah . That's the beIndustrialDesigner: Hmm .User Interface: And it {disfmarker} I guess it's more easier to just paint it on the rubberIndustrial Designer: Yeah , of course .User Interface:than to uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: That's uh the integration story again .Marketing: Mm yeah . Okay .User Interface: So we have it's a bit round shaped,Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh yeah .User Interface: that's what we had uh {disfmarker} We chose the buttons to be uh teletext , okay button , favouritechannel and the mute .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: So that's basically what we chose there .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: If you haveanything to add , please interrupt me .Industrial Designer: No , uh this is just a description of what we see there .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: So{disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh .Industrial Designer: Speaks for itself .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: That's pretty much it .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Okay . Now it's my time to ruin everything . Well , not ruin everything , but {disfmarker} no , nah .User Interface: Oh sorry . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Finances , that's what we have here , what you drew . We have battery power , we have advanced chips and the sam the sensor . The sample sensorand uh {disfmarker} for speak recognition anyway . So which {disfmarker} you see the {disfmarker} which is de o one of the most expensive parts . So{disfmarker} well , we have sin one curve , {vocalsound} a design . Rubber design . And we had a special colour . Suppose yellow is a special colour . So just halfa Euro for {gap} {disfmarker} You have pushbuttons and an L_C_D_ display . You have the total of seventeen Euros in production cost ,Industrial Designer:Hmm .Project Manager: which is higher than the twelve and a half that we are permitted to use . So ,Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: easy . What do we scrap. Well think I had the best solution that I came up with is just to s take out the speech recognition .Industrial Designer: I dUser Interface: I'd say that too.Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Because the L_C_D_ has more support on customer side .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: There areninety one percent of uh the people , or something like that . But ninety percent who favour an L_C_D_ display , and only sixty percent that favour speechrecognition . I think it's also harder to {disfmarker}User Interface: Uh we don't really have a extra function with the speech sample ,Marketing: Yeah .UserInterface: which you can't do with a normal remote control ,Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: {gap} . So I juUser Interface: which people already do .So {disfmarker}Project Manager: I took that out . So {disfmarker} and so it's still stuck with thirteen , so I had to take out the special colour I suppose . And ,yeah , I didn't see anything else I could take out . Yeah , I could take out the push-buttons ,Marketing: PushbutProject Manager: but we need those . So ,generally what I came up with , in order to be cou to to have production cost of twelve and a half Euros , spe scrap speech recognitionIndustrial Designer: Huh .{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: Special colour , yeah .Project Manager: and the separate covers can account for the {disfmarker} if people want it , we'lljust {disfmarker} then we'll do it in black . We'll just deliver it in black , have the {disfmarker} it has all the function that it's supposed to have , and if you want it{disfmarker} if you want the custom design , then you can buy the separate covers .User Interface: Well ,Project Manager: You make it d orange or whatever youwant .User Interface: I'd {disfmarker} I tend to disagree with you on that , because the trend issue was a big issue when we started designing this .ProjectManager: It was a big issue , but {disfmarker}User Interface: So can't we just basically extend it to thirteen ?Project Manager: I'll just go back . Uh let's just{disfmarker} let's see what {disfmarker} okay , let's just see what we {disfmarker} no , we we have to be under twelve and a half .Marketing: Yeah , it{disfmarker}Project Manager: It {disfmarker} it's not {disfmarker}Marketing: The pProject Manager: uh the project is a no-go if we go over twelve and a half,Industrial Designer: Okay , but there's another problem .Marketing: And the pProject Manager: so .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: But there'sanother problem .Marketing: What {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: If we take another cover , for instance black , then we also need another button frame ,'cause black and black doesn't work obviously .Project Manager: I think you {disfmarker} that's what you were ass assigned to do really , to to see how b th boththose work together .Industrial Designer: Huh . Huh . Yeah .Project Manager: So I think {disfmarker} yeah , it's {disfmarker} I think it's y one of the{disfmarker} it's a good way to um to help people uh to make {disfmarker} to keep the product trendy too .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: Justkeep {disfmarker} you just make new covers for the {disfmarker} for it ,Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: like we agreed before .Industrial Designer:Right . I agree .Project Manager: And everything that's left is is the basic function that uh that we want our product to have . Because the expensive parts are ineither the advanced chip . But we need that for the L_C_D_ display .User Interface: Yeah . We do .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Then again ,we have the L_C_D_ display , which is also expensive . B yeah , but those go together . And yeah , we could take out the curve .Industrial Designer: Or say let'slose rubber , take plastic .User Interface: We could take out a curve indeed .Project Manager: Could {disfmarker} we could take out the curve . Is that an option?Industrial Designer: Yes .Marketing: {gap} .Project Manager: For you ?Industrial Designer: Although we are demolishing a little bit the style .Marketing: But uhthe {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}User Interface: I think the colour is more important than the really the curve ,Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: But{disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: because if you just end up with an entirely black remote control {disfmarker}Project Manager: I thinkit's {disfmarker} it it does ruin it ,Marketing: Yeah . The people {disfmarker}Project Manager: but the fact that I t took that decision or tIndustrial Designer: Yeah.Project Manager: Took this example actually , not really decision , but the example is because we do offer the um {vocalsound} the possibility of adding yourown custom covers . So you can change {gap} any colour you want . So it's just you deliver a basic remote control with a possibility to change you into whateveryou want .Industrial Designer: Can we then not also uh change the material ? We take plastic for the basic coverProject Manager: You can take plastic ,IndustrialDesigner: and {disfmarker}Project Manager: but I d it's something that's stuck into my mind is that {disfmarker} something that really came forward from themarketing research is that people like the the the the squishy feeling of {disfmarker} the spongy feeling of the {disfmarker}Marketing: Spongy , yeah .IndustrialDesigner: We can put those to the to the other covers .Project Manager: and it really makes it {disfmarker} also makes it different from the existing remotecontrols ,Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: because they're all plastic .Marketing: And {disfmarker}Project Manager: So which in in turn {disfmarker}{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: That's true .Project Manager: Rubber would increase durabilityIndustrial Designer: But {disfmarker}Project Manager: becauseit doesn't break .Industrial Designer: okay . But what do you then suggest we'd lose ? Because we have to lose two things and {disfmarker} I guess .ProjectManager: I al like I said , I lost the speech recognition and I lost the special colour ,Marketing: But {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yes .ProjectManager: which would make this black a black and grey .Industrial Designer: Okay , and that's enough ?Project Manager: Yeah , that's that that that's enough ,becauseUser Interface: So black and grey is okay .Project Manager: I guess those are the basic colours .Marketing: But {disfmarker}Project Manager: So{disfmarker} Oh .User Interface: {vocalsound} Which we can fabricate ,Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: I think those are basic col They want to{disfmarker}User Interface: okay .Marketing: The people want to pay for for it , so why why uh {vocalsound} do we have to keep us uh uh um on the twelve and"}
{"doc_id":"doc_1","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Is that alright now ? {vocalsound} Okay . Sorry ? Okay , everybody all set to start the meeting ? Okay , we've got half an hour for this one umto uh discuss the um functional design .Marketing: Could you plug me in ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay . Thanks .Project Manager:All ready to go ? Okay .Marketing: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um so hopefully you've all been working away , and I've put the minutes of the lastmeeting in the project folder . Um so I guess just to to recap on uh what we did last time . Um kind of uh got to know each other a little bit and uh got familiarwith all the equipment and started to discuss um a bit about the project , you know , cost-wise how much how much money we had to s Um just want to tell youthat you have three new requirements , which is the {disfmarker} The first one {vocalsound} is that um uh the company's decided that teletext is outdated uhbecause of how popular the internet is . Nobody uses teletext very much anymore , so we don't really need to consider that in the functionality of the{disfmarker} of the remote control .Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: Um they've also suggested that we um we only use the remote control to control thetelevision , not the V_C_R_ , D_V_D_ or anything else . I think the worry is that if the project becomes too complex then it'll affect um how long it takes us to getit into into production , the time to market . So um , we're just gonna keep it simple and it'll just control the T_V_ .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: And theother thing was that the company want the corporate colour and slogan to be implemented in the new design . Um I'm not entirely sure what the corporate colouris . It might be yellow , because there seems to be a lot of yellow everywhere .Marketing: And the slogan , like the actual written slogan , or just to embody theidea of the slogan ?Project Manager: Well that's the thing , I'm I'm not sure um {vocalsound} uh th because on the the company website , uh what does it say{disfmarker} Uh something {disfmarker}Marketing: 'Bout putting the fashion in electronics .Industrial Designer: Mm yeah .Project Manager: Yeah , I mean dothey {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Is that something they want actually written on it , 'cause it's quite long . Um or yeah , just the idea , but I'm not sure . So that'ssomething we can discuss as well . So those are the three things , just not to worry about teletext , uh only control the T_V_ , and um and uh incorporate the uhcolour and slogan of the company . Um so is everybody okay with any of that , or do you want me to recap at all ?Industrial Designer: Nope , we're all set .ProjectManager: Right um , time for presentations then . Who would like to go first ?User Interface: {vocalsound} I'll go first .Project Manager: Okay , cool .Marketing:Sure .User Interface: Alright um , can I st steal this from the back of your laptop ? Uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh yeah , of course , yeah . G go on ahead.Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {gap} so this is the technical functions design . Um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Right {gap} to do the um {vocalsound}the design I have I've had a look online , I've had a look at the homepage , which has given us um some insp inspiration from previous products .ProjectManager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Um I've had a look at the previous products to see what they offer and um I would like to ask you guys for um {vocalsound}your ideas about the design at the end of the meeting . Um unfortunately we're not allowed to talk outside the meeting room , so {disfmarker}Project Manager:{vocalsound} Okay .Marketing: Right .User Interface: Um , having a look at the existing products , I found out that um it tends to come in sort of two extremes ,there's either um a very complicated one that's got lots of buttons , lots of colours , very confusing , you don't know what you're doing . {vocalsound} Um in thatcase the the labelling tends to be very bad . Um there's an example I'll show you at the end , um {gap} sh show you now . Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Alright {gap} .User Interface: {gap} here um the button there and there . This one's prog . Sorry . That one's perg and that one's prog ,and it doesn't really tell you what it does . Um , not sure if you had a a look at the other um control in that example . Um it's a very simple one . It's got only thebasic functions mm but um {vocalsound} it's the same size as the the hard to use one .Project Manager: Oop .User Interface: {vocalsound} Uh it looked a bitclunky . They're very big and not very much use for {gap} buttons . {vocalsound} Um , {vocalsound} and it's just very hard to access the advanced functions .There's there's nothing for instance for a slow motion button . Um , my own preferences , I prefer the the clunky one . Um it's very easy to use . Um butunfortunately it does lack the advanced functions which I I quite like having on the controls . {vocalsound} Um so I believe the the advanced functions shouldmaybe be hidden in a drawer , or something like tha {gap} from the bottom of it . So , {vocalsound} now I'd like to ask for your preferences . Um not sure ofhow long we've got , uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Um . Well we can chat away for uh for five minutes or so I think at at most .Marketing: Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: Just a couple of minutes anyway .Marketing: M yeah , like a lot of a lot of what I've um read and prepared for this meeting fits in really closely withwhat with what Craig's just gone over . So in part I could I could give you some of my personal preferences but I could also th add some to this which is justabout sort of um sort of market research .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: But anyway ,Project Manager: Shall we sh well we'll stick to kind of your areafor now .Marketing: um we might come to that later .Industrial Designer: Which which is the clunky one , the one on left or on the right?. .User Interface:{vocalsound} Um , the clunky one is the one on the right .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Um clunky in what sense , like um hheavier ? Larger ?User Interface: Um I think it's supposed to be the same size , but um it's got much fewer buttons . It's , you know , it's very spreadoutMarketing: I see , so it's more just basic .Project Manager: Looks kind of {disfmarker} Yeah .User Interface: and kind of {disfmarker} you knowMarketing:Right , okay .User Interface: , I get the idea it'd be sort of about this size . {vocalsound} {gap} got very few buttons on it and {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah . Sure .Project Manager: Well I think it's a valid point . I mean like the one on the left looks quite um quitecomplicated , and that P_R_T_ p P_R_O_T_ thing is incredibly confusing . Um so I see I see why yo you know you might prefer the simpler design , but yeah youdon't want to lose out on , you know , what it does , so maybe you knowMarketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: you know you get a lot of remote controls whereyou kind of flip the thing open ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I think that's a good idea .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: I think it's agood idea . {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Um , {vocalsound} do we have any functions that um we'd want on it ?Marketing: Mm-hmm .UserInterface: I mean so far I've got um on and off , um switch the channel up and down , and put the volume up and down .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Uh-huh.User Interface: Um they're just the the very basics you could use for a T_V_ .Project Manager: Uh-huh , and then actual numbers for channels as well , yeah.User Interface: Okay . Um , you say that's a h a required one or a requested one ? Would you likeMarketing: Which was that ?User Interface: um the channelslike the the numbers on thing , um {disfmarker}Marketing: Up {disfmarker} the numbers , or the up down ?Project Manager: God , I wou I would say that'srequired ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I mean there's no way anybody's gonna buy a remote control these days when if you can't actuallyindividually select channels ,Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: I mean would anybody disagree with that ?Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Um , what else , uh{disfmarker} {vocalsound} So don't need to worry about teletext ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: don't need to worry about V_C_R_ , uh any kind oflike display controls at all do you think we need to worry about ,Marketing: We don't ? No ?Project Manager: you know like brightness and contrast ?Marketing:Yeah . Well I think I think es essentially what we're doing right now is we're categorising . We're saying well we want this to be a product that offers all the sort ofmore tricky features but we want them to be in another area ?Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: Is that right ?Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Is that whatwe're we're doing ?User Interface: Um , yeah .Marketing: We're kind of like sorting them an Or are we actually eliminating things we just don't want the productto have ?User Interface: Um {disfmarker}Project Manager: I think {disfmarker} are you are you maybe kind of thinking what we absolutely have to have andwhat would be nice ?User Interface: Uh , to start with um sort of a bit both , um we need to find out exactly what we have to haveProject Manager: Mm-hmm.User Interface: um and after that we can add things if they're possible .Project Manager: Okay , right . Well , do you wanna maybe just , at this point decide onwhat we absolutely must have as a p as a function of this .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Um , so so far , just to recap you've got volume and channel controland {disfmarker}Marketing: Yep .User Interface: There's um on and off , um volume and channel , and skip to certain channels with the numbers .ProjectManager: Right okay . Um {disfmarker}Marketing: Well , one one way I would look at this um would be that we a approach the different controls in terms of umlike control types , so that for the user it's very clear what they want to do where they go .Project Manager: Mm-hmm yeah .Marketing: Uh and also think maybea little bit about sorta w w what would just wanna be acc easily accessible .Project Manager: OkaMarketing: For example if we had audio controls , those could besomething people set up very rarely . Maybe they're un they're they're they're in a little area but covered up um ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: thingslike channel and volume um are used all the time , so we just have them right out on top , um very just very sort of self-explanatory . Um so maybe we need tothink about having three or more groupings of controls , you know like one which are just the the habitual ones that should be right within your natural grip . Andothers that are uh also availableIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: and then others that are concealed .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Somethinglike that .Project Manager: Uh well , just to to wrap up quickly on this this little section {disfmarker} Have I just lost {disfmarker} Oh no . Um , uh do you thinkmaybe that's the only kind of uh essential requirements , and then maybe just things that would be nice if it could do would be things like audio set up anddisplay set up and things like that , maybe like a mute button , that sort of thing . Any of {disfmarker} you anything to add to that at all ?Marketing: Yeah"}
{"doc_id":"doc_2","qid":"","text":"Marketing: Hello .Project Manager: {gap} . {gap} .Marketing: Yes , I made it . English from now on {vocalsound} . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} {gap} . {vocalsound}Marketing: Drawing or {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah just testing .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Mm ? English.Industrial Designer: Just kidding .Project Manager: {gap} .Industrial Designer: So annoying .Project Manager: Break is over .Marketing: Ooh it works .ProjectManager: Whoo .Marketing: {vocalsound} Spicy .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Spicy .Marketing: Where are are all the other presentations ?IndustrialDesigner: I just put it in the in the shared folder so it should be {disfmarker}Marketing: The conceptual or {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: yeah I think so .Yeah , conceptual design . What or whatever does it {disfmarker}Marketing: Ah . Because I see only my own presentation {vocalsound} {gap}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: No no no , can you go back one ?Marketing: yeah .Industrial Designer: Uh 'cause it has to be PowerPoint pre yeah componentsdesign , that's it .Marketing: This ? {gap} I'll just put it in there .Project Manager: So , he's coming .Industrial Designer: {gap} . {vocalsound} I did get a bitmore done than the last time ,Marketing: Or not .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: Oh okay .Industrial Designer: 'cause I knew that I didn't have time so Ijust copy and paste everything into the {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Ah ,Project Manager: Ah . She {gap} .Marketing: I can't cut andpaste it into the other folder but {disfmarker}Project Manager: You can look at the final report , 'cause I have to record everything we are deciding and such , soI'm trying to write it down between everything else .Marketing: Move to meeting room .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Sometimes I have these pop-ups orthese sounds and there's nothing there ,Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Oh .Industrial Designer: and also with {disfmarker} I don't know how to usePowerPoint , so it takes me forever to get something done with it .Marketing: Yeah me too , {gap} .User Interface: {vocalsound} I I've got the same problem aswell . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah.Project Manager: Here we go again . Welcome . Uh we have again three presentations and then we have to decide on what concepts the mobile phone has to uh{disfmarker} f the remote control has to support .Industrial Designer: ThiProject Manager: So who wants go .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Yes.Project Manager: Yes ?Industrial Designer: Who wants to start ?Marketing: Me first again or {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah sure . Doesn't matter .UserInterface: Oh . No . Yeah . No problemMarketing: yeah . Alright . Did you open it already or {disfmarker}Project Manager: No .Marketing: no . Ah . Ah . Yes . Sowelcome to the marketing presentation once again . Um this time about trendwatching . {vocalsound} Uh well there has been inv investigation again , in the inthe remote control market . Uh it shows a number of developments . Uh I will address them uh in a moment . Um fashion watch watchers uh have detected thetrends for young public , because that's our public . Um well fruit and vegetables will be will be the most important theme for clothing , uh shoes and furniture .And the feel of the material is expected to be spongey . So um the developments I will address them {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: ohyeah well this is the fruit and vegetables looks of fresh bright colours . So to give you an idea . Um well the developments ? Uh development one . {vocalsound}Uh well most important aspect for remote control happens to be a fancy look-and-feel . Instead of the current uh functional look-and-feel . Um well fancy standsfor an original look-and-feel of the case and the interface . And the second most important aspect is that a remote control should be technological uh innovative .Um well it stands for the use of technical features that do not exist in current remote controls . I think we pretty much covered that with our screen and um andspeech recognition ,Industrial Designer: Sound . Yeah yeah uh uh .Marketing: so I don't expect that to be a problem . And the third development um is that theremote control should be easy to use . Um {disfmarker} Well the first aspect uh was twice as important as the second aspect,w which was twice as important asthe third aspect .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: So um that kind of gets you this ratios . So fancy look-and-feel uh is the most important uh point ofattention .Project Manager: {gap} .Marketing: Uh so the fruits and vegetables in combination with the spongey material . Um well technolog technologicalinnovation , we've covered that pretty much I guess . Um and easy to use , I don't think that will be problem . So my point of attention is especially this part.Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: That this will be a crux . So that was the marketing uh presentation . I had only one document left .Industrial Designer:And shall I go first ?User Interface: Yeah . No . I I don't mi I don't mind .Industrial Designer: So I {disfmarker}User Interface: That's {disfmarker}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Yeah yeah sure . No .Marketing: So kind of this {disfmarker}User Interface: Do you want to go first ? Okay .Industrial Designer: Yeah?Marketing: {vocalsound} So a k a small example .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: Kind of this this look .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:Uh nothing about the buttons but just sponge kind of thing , and and some fruit and coloursUser Interface: Yeah .Marketing: I dunno . {vocalsound} Just made aquick design .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Cool . {vocalsound} Yeah you're just the user interface hmm ?User Interface: It's better than thanmy uh drawing . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: Alright . {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah okay but I have to design the{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Uh components .Project Manager: Yeah layout .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah okay .Industrial Designer: Oh no.Marketing: Yeah . It's okay .Project Manager: You probably opened it .Industrial Designer: Yeah true . Um {disfmarker}Project Manager: F_ five .Marketing: F_five .Industrial Designer: Alright . So {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'm dealing with the components design . Um let's see . I uh usedsome design examples we had uh from similar products . And I used uh possibilities from our manufacturing department about current components which willhave to be implemented in the design . That's why I had to , wanted to go first . Well they gave me um an idea about what people want . We're f mainly focusingon this group , but I want to make the distinction clear . Uh I could not drag the pictures into the the slides so s so I don't have examples of how it looks like . Butit comes down to what you uh what you think we should do with the spongey and the fruity looking uh type . If you , the young dynamic people want soft primarycolours uh , which looks like fruits you know , you can {disfmarker} and shapes that are curved and not uh solid straight lines anymore . So this basically umyeah goes on to what you were mentioning earlier . There is a lot of um {vocalsound} factors involved in choosing the components .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: There's a lot of options that we have to discuss . Uh for example the energy source . we havefour types . The basic battery . Uh we have a hand dynamo , which we yeah we Dutch refer to it as the kneipgatt .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Uhthe kinetic provision of energy which means if you move the thing , if you shake it .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Which will be fun fortoddlers right , if they wanna use the {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: And uh of course solar cells . But I dunnohow we would use that into the design of the actual product .Marketing: Wi an indoors .Industrial Designer: So uh my {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah okay.Marketing: Oh .Project Manager: Calculator's can do it .Industrial Designer: yeah also also in you know countries where there's n isn't much light like inScandinavia , they wouldn't be y able to use it half of the year you know .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager:Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: So that's not cool either . So um {vocalsound} for the uh a case , there's uh the traditional uncurved flat hard case . Single curved, which means that it has uh curves in one dimension . Or the double curved . Um {vocalsound} I wasn't able to finish my uh personal preferences sheet , butwell you know that we will have to go for the double curved 'cause it's daring and different from what we have now . Uh the case materials .Marketing: Yeah.Industrial Designer: Well we have all kinds of hard uh materials like the the hard plastic , the wood and the titanium . I would definitely go for rubber 'cause it fitsmost in what people wanna see nowadays .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Um poo , this is a lot of text . I wasn't able to organise this yet . We have yeahseveral uh interface designs . Uh we can use a scroll buttons for the menus , but we already kind of decided to go for the f for the pushbuttons , for the the arrowbuttons .User Interface: Yeah . Pushbuttons . Yeah .Industrial Designer: So that's not really interesting .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Electronics ? Yeah ,{vocalsound} maybe we wanna decide on what electronics to use {gap} the advanced chip I think is easiest to implement uh for the production , 'cause they theycan print it better . Um {disfmarker} Yeah . I think this is about it . Yeah I was working on some per personal preferences . I first uh chose for the battery , 'causeyeah I'm traditional and that's the most obvious , easiest choice to go to . But I really think that we should maybe uh think about the kinetic energy ,UserInterface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: where you have to move the thing to be able to use it .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: As anoptional uh feature .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Or combine uh both with a with one uhProject Manager: Uh I think you can only fit one uh source of energyon the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah maybe we {disfmarker}Marketing: I guess we can only choose one .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Ican imagine that the kinetic uh type energy source would be more expensive to make . But it is more longlasting , that the people don't have to ever buybatteries again .Project Manager: YeahMarketing: Yeah . And it's more fun .Project Manager: I didn't receive any info uh .Industrial Designer: And it's also morefun yeah . I always chuck my uh remote control around , so {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah , just playing with itProject Manager: Yeah .Marketing: and{disfmarker} especially when the material's rubber . It can be done , I mean , you can't harm it ,Project Manager: S yeah it's safe .User Interface: {vocalsound}And throw it {gap} .Industrial Designer: Yeah y exactly .Marketing: so it's a perfect combination I guess .Industrial Designer: You don't have to be scared about"}
{"doc_id":"doc_3","qid":"","text":"Grad H: stGrad F: So we 're on .Grad H: Yeah . That 's better .Grad F: And , {comment} somewhere is my agenda . I think the most important thing is Morganwanted to talk about , uh , the ARPA {pause} demo .Professor D: Well , so , here 's the thing . Um , why don't we s again start off with {disfmarker} with , uh ,Yeah , I 'll get it . I 'll get the door . Um , I think we want to start off with the agenda . And then , given that , uh , Liz and Andreas are gonna be {pause} ten ,fifteen minutes late , we can try to figure out what we can do most effectively without them here . So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So {disfmarker} so , one thingis , yeah , talk about demo ,Grad F: OK . So , uh {disfmarker} uh , IBM transcription status ,Professor D: IBM transcription . Uh , what else ?Grad F: ProfessorD:  What 's SmartKom ? SmartKom ?Grad F: Uh , we wanna talk about if w if we wanna add the data to the mar Meeting Recorder corpus .PhD E: The data . Thedata which we are collecting here .Professor D: What {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what are we collecting here ?PhD E: Data ?Grad F: So why don't we havethat on the agenda and we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll get to it and talk about it ?PhD E: The SmartKom data ?Professor D: Yeah , right .PhD E: Yeah .Professor D: Uh ,right . Uh .Grad F: Uh , reorganization status .Professor D: Reorganization status .Postdoc A: Oh . Files and directories ?Professor D: Files and directories .Grad F:Yep . Uh - huh . Absinthe , which is the multiprocessor UNIX {disfmarker} Linux . I think it was {pause} Andreas wanted to talk about segmentation andrecognition , and update on SRI recognition experiments .Professor D: Um {disfmarker}Grad F: And then if ti if there 's time I wanted to talk about digits , but itlooked like we were pretty full , so I can wait till next week .Professor D: Right . OK . Well , let 's see . I think the a certainly the segmentation and recognition wewanna maybe focus on when An - Andreas is here since that was particularly his thing .PhD E: And also the SmartKom thing should bProfessor D: SmartKom also, Andreas . Absinthe , I think also he has sort of been involved in a lot of those things .Grad F: At least ,Professor D: Yeah .Grad F: yeah , he 'll t he 'll probably beinterested .Professor D: Yeah .Grad F: But .Professor D: Um So , I mean , I think they 'll be inter I 'll be interested in all this , but {disfmarker} but , uh , probably, if we had to pick something {pause} that we would talk on for ten minutes or so while they 're coming here . Or I guess it would be , you think , reorganizationstatus , or {disfmarker} ?Grad F: Yeah . I mean , I think , Chuck was the one who added out the agenda item . I don't really have anything to say other than thatwe still haven't done it .PhD B: Well , I mean , I uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} just basically that {disfmarker}Grad F: So .PhD B: maybe I said {disfmarker}maybe we said this before {disfmarker} just that we met and we talked about it and we sort of have a plan for getting things organized and {disfmarker}PostdocA: And I {disfmarker} and I think a crucial part of that is the idea of {disfmarker} of not wanting to do it until right before the next level zero back - up so thatthere won't be huge number of {disfmarker} of added ,PhD B: Right .Postdoc A: uh {disfmarker}Grad F: Right .PhD B: That {disfmarker} that was basically it .Not {disfmarker} not much @ @ {disfmarker}Grad F: Although Dave basically said that if we wanna do it , just tell him and he 'll do a d level zero then .PostdocA: Yeah . Uh - huh . Oh , excellent .Grad F: So .Postdoc A: Oh , good .PhD B: Oh , so maybe we should just go ahead and get everything ready , and{disfmarker}Grad F: Yep . So , I think we do need to talk a little bit about {disfmarker} Well , we don't need to do it during this meeting .PhD B: Yeah .Grad F:We have a little more to discuss . But , uh , we 're {disfmarker} we 're basically ready to do it . And , uh , I have some web pages on ts {comment} more of thebackground . So , naming conventions and things like that , that I 've been trying to keep actually up to date . So . And I 've been sharing them with U - d UWfolks also .Postdoc A: I 'm sorry , you 've been what ? Showing them ?Professor D: OK .Postdoc A: Sharing them .Grad F: Sharing them with the UW folks.Postdoc A: OK . OK .Professor D: OK . Well , maybe uh , since that {disfmarker} that was a pretty short one , maybe we should talk about the IBM transcriptionstatus . Someone can {vocalsound} fill in Liz and Andreas later . UhGrad F: OK . So , we , uh {disfmarker} we did another version of the beeps , where weseparated each beeps with a spoken digit . Chuck came up here and recorded some di himself speaking some digits , and so it just goes \" beep one beep \" andthen the phrase , and then \" beep two beep \" and then the phrase . And that seems pretty good . Um , I think they 'll have a b easier time keeping track of wherethey are in the file .PhD E: And we have done that on the {pause} automatic segmentations .Grad F: And we did it with the automatic segmentation , and I don'tthink {disfmarker} We ne we didn't look at it in detail . We just sent it to IBM . We {disfmarker} we sorta spot - checked it .PhD B: I listened to {pause} probably, uh , five or ten minutes of it from the beginning .PhD E: Yeah .Grad F: Oh , really ?PhD B: Yeah .Grad F: OK .PhD B: And {disfmarker}Grad F: I sorta spot -checked here and there and it sounded pretty good . So . I think it 'll work .Professor D: OK .Grad F: And , uh , we 'll just hafta see what we get back from them .Uh {disfmarker}PhD B: And the main thing will be if we can align what they give us with what we sent them . I mean , that 's the crucial part .Grad F: Right .PhDB: And I think we 'll be able to do that at {disfmarker} with this new beep format .Grad F: Yep . Well , I think it 's also they are much less likely to d have errors.PhD B: Mm - hmm .Grad F: I mean , so the problem wi last time is that there were errors in the transcripts where they put beeps where there weren't any , or{disfmarker} and they put in extraneous beeps .PhD B: Right . Yeah .Grad F: And with the numbers there , it 's much less likely .PhD B: Yeah , one interestingnote is {disfmarker} uh , or problem {disfmarker} I dunno if this was just because of how I play it back , I say , uh , SND - play and then the file , every once in awhile , @ @ {comment} uh , like a beep sounds like it 's cut into two beeps .PhD E: Yeah . Into two pieces .PhD B: Yeah , and I {disfmarker} I dunno if that 's an, uh , artifact of playback {disfmarker}PhD E: Yeah . Yep .PhD B: bu uh , I don't think it 's probably in the original file . Um , but , uh {disfmarker}PhD E: Irecognize that , too . Yeah .Grad F: Ha . That 's interesting . I didn't hear that .PhD B: Yeah . But with this new format , um , that hopefully they 're not hearingthat , and if they are , it shouldn't throw them .PhD E: Yep .PhD B: So .Grad F: Well , maybe we better listen to it again , make sure , but , I mean , certainly thesoftware shouldn't do that ,PhD B: Yeah . That 's what I thought .Grad F: so .Postdoc A: Mm - hmm .PhD B: I it 's probably just , you know , mmm , somehow theaudio {pause} device gets hung for a second ,PhD E: Yeah . Some latency or something .Grad F: Hiccups .PhD E: Yeah ?Postdoc A: As long as they have onenumber , and they know that there 's only one beep maximum {vocalsound} that goes with that number .PhD B: or {disfmarker}PhD E: Yeah .PhD B: Yeah .Right .Grad F: Yeah . The only {disfmarker} the only part that might be confusing is when Chuck is reading digits .PhD B: Right .PhD E: Yep .Postdoc A: Well ,you know , actually , are we having them {disfmarker}PhD B: So {vocalsound} thGrad F: \" Seven four eight beep seven beep {vocalsound} eight three two \".Postdoc A: Yeah , but are we having them do digits ?Grad F: Yes . Because , uh , we don't {disfmarker} we didn't {disfmarker} In order to cut them out we 'dhave to listen to it .PhD B: We {disfmarker} we didn't cut those out .PhD E: Yeah . They are not transcribed yet . So . Yeah .Postdoc A: OK .PhD E: Yeah .Grad F:And we wanted to avoid doing that ,Postdoc A: OK .Grad F: so we {disfmarker} they are transcribing the digits .Postdoc A: OK .PhD B: We can {disfmarker} wecan ignore it when we get it back ,Grad F: Although we could tell them {disfmarker} {comment} {vocalsound} we could tell them , if you hear someone readinga digits string just say \" bracket digit bracket \"PhD B: huh .Grad F: and don't bother actually computing the di writing down the digits .PhD B: Yeah .Postdoc A:That 'd be great . That 'd be what I 'm having the transcribers here do , cuz it can be extracted later .Grad F: Yep . And then I wanted to talk about {disfmarker}but as I said I {disfmarker} we may not have time {disfmarker} what we should do about digits . We have a whole pile of digits that haven't been transcribed.Professor D: Le - let 's talk about it , because that 's {disfmarker} that 's something that I {disfmarker} I know Andreas is less interested in than Liz is ,Grad F:OK .Professor D: so , you know . It 's good {disfmarker}Grad F: Do we have anything else to say about transcription ? About IBM stuff ?PhD B: Uh , Brian{disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {vocalsound} sent bresset {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} sent Brian a message about {pause} {vocalsound} themeeting and I haven't heard back yet . So . I g hope he got it and hopefully he 's {disfmarker}Grad F: OK .Postdoc A: Hmm .PhD B: maybe he 's gone , I dunno .He didn't even reply to my message . So . I should probably ping him just to make sure that he got it . Grad F: Alright . So , we have a whole bunch of digits , ifwe wanna move on to digits .Professor D: Actually , maybe I {disfmarker} One {disfmarker} one relate more related thing in transcription . So that 's the IBMstuff . We 've got that sorted out . Um , how 're we doing on the {disfmarker} on the rest of it ?Postdoc A: We 're doing well . I {disfmarker} I hire {disfmarker} I've hired two extra people already , expect to hire two more .Grad F: Hmm .Postdoc A: And , um , {vocalsound} I 've prepared , um , uh , a set of five which I 'm{disfmarker} which I 'm calling set two , which are now being edited by my head transcriber , {vocalsound} in terms of spelling errors and all that . She 's alsochecking through and mar and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and monitoring , um , the transcription of another transcriber . You know , I mean , she 's goingthrough and doing these kinds of checks .Professor D: Uh - huh .Postdoc A: And , I 've moved on now to what I 'm calling set three . I sort of thought if I do it insets {disfmarker} groups of five , then I can have , like , sort of a {disfmarker} a parallel processing through {disfmarker} through the {disfmarker} the current.Professor D: Uh - huh .Postdoc A: And {disfmarker} and you indicated to me that we have a g a goal now , {vocalsound} for the {disfmarker} for the , um ,{nonvocalsound} {vocalsound} the , uh , DARPA demo , of twenty hours . So , I 'm gonna go up to twenty hours , be sure that everything gets processed , andreleased , and {disfmarker} {pause} {comment} and that 's {disfmarker} that 's what my goal is . Package of twenty hours right now , {vocalsound} and thenonce that 's done , move on to the next .Professor D: Yeah , uh , so twenty hours . But I guess the other thing is that , um , that {disfmarker} that 's kindatwenty hours ASAP because the longer before the demo we actually have the twenty hours , the more time it 'll be for people to actually do cool things with it"}
{"doc_id":"doc_4","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: So ,Project Manager: So , uh now {vocalsound}Marketing: Hi Christa . {vocalsound}Project Manager: it's the {disfmarker}{vocalsound} Hi Sammy . {vocalsound} It's the detail design meeting , so we're going {disfmarker} last meeting . So um , first uh Mark and Rama are going topresent uh the prototype . Uh then uh Sammy will propose some uh crite cr criteria to evaluate this prototype . Then , w we {disfmarker} {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yes . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yes . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} And then we going to dosome finance to see if uh it is uh feasibleUser Interface: And chocolate ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} and uh at the end we will we will umevaluate ourself as a team . {vocalsound} And that's all . Okay . So first , {vocalsound} let's uh see the prototype .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: Yeah.Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh , here we have our prototype model .Project Manager: Okay . And you have some slides then ?UserInterface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah , we have also some slides .Project Manager: {gap} Yeah . Mm .User Interface: Yes , and place some slides.Project Manager: Okay . Uh so in which uh {disfmarker}User Interface: Uh , participant three . {vocalsound} Prototype .Industrial Designer: In {disfmarker}Yeah .Project Manager: Mm okay . Mm .Industrial Designer: Five .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Uh , so this is our remote control.Industrial Designer: Him .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: It's a r working prototype . You can use it now by switching all these buttons . So first ,I present as we came to this perfect model ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: and then we'll give some technical specifications .Marketing: Yeah.Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: That's {vocalsound} well {vocalsound} {vocalsound} , so that's that . Please , next slide . We analysed all thefruitsProject Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: and contacted NASA , and uh made some {vocalsound} real good {disfmarker}Project Manager: MASA ?{vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah . If you can see this , and the stars are showing that{gap} . And um , {vocalsound} s society will accept that . For sure .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound} And making some analysis of differentfruits , we choose the ultimate form , ultimate colours , and uh ultimate smell of it . S please , next slide . But we still didn't want to go far from our titanium idea, 'cause it's the most of the moder the m the {gap} modern material we can p select . And it's practical . And it's still say it's for our needs , so please presssomething . And as I said , {vocalsound} it's perfect . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound} Please press it .Industrial Designer: Experience . ExplanatUser Interface: Everyone is {gap} f really uh really glad to obtain an{disfmarker} {vocalsound} s such a r such a device .Marketing: Such a nice thing . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: See this {gap} . {vocalsound}UserInterface: So you can touch it with your hands .Marketing: Can I ?User Interface: Sure . Yes . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: You can {disfmarker}Marketing:Ho-ho . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} imitating flatulence] {vocalsound}Project Manager: What do you say ? {vocalsound}User Interface:NMarketing: It says {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} You must say it .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Spongy .Marketing: I will uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} One day .Marketing: I'll buy it . {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah .{vocalsound}Marketing: If I if I need so . {vocalsound}Project Manager: He {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing:Hopefully my daughter will like it . {vocalsound}User Interface: Okay . Y and we got the answer . Uh , it is , yes , of course .Marketing: Yes , of course . Of ccourse . {vocalsound}User Interface: {gap} , please next slide . Um , this is a prototype . You can have a look at it , and {disfmarker} That's all I wanted to say.Marketing: Ah .User Interface: Now it's technical specification by our colleague .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: Hmm .Industrial Designer: So{disfmarker}Marketing: Oh , there is {vocalsound} a button missing .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: This this is really flexible . You can add your buttons .Marketing: It's in option . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Yeah . So function , mm {disfmarker}Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} So , as we discussed , we have to switch on switch offwhenever we want . And so , we have buttons and using L_C_D_ , or like you can use this {vocalsound} jog wheel and select which ever option on the L_C_D_ ,and then do on and off . {vocalsound} Then you ha you'll have volume control . So , you you can press these buttons to increase or decrease the volume .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And we have some L_C_D_ controls . Like , m switching the L_C_D_ display if you want to use L_C_D_ , or you don'twant you can just use normal button .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: And we have speech recognition . Here you have microphone , and then itdate records your voice , and then it try to recognise .Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And it can also do the action .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And location finder . And we want to do the location basically using speech recogniser . You can just say , where is myremote control .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Or uh , you can just give some nickname to your remote control , like Bobby {gap} .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Bobby . {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .Marketing: {vocalsound} Hey , babe .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} And then , {vocalsound} it will say hi .{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Bob . {vocalsound} Hey Bob . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah , hi , and then you can use it .{vocalsound}Marketing: Okay ,Project Manager: Hmm . {vocalsound} 'Kay . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: that's good.Industrial Designer: So , {vocalsound} um our team is now fruits . Mainly strawberry . So , you can {vocalsound} have {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} Oh , these are strawberries . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And then you can see the look L_C_D_ and all the switches .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Are colourful . Yeah . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Material , we want to stick to titanium .{vocalsound} We will send , we want to {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Fruit smelling spongy titanium . {vocalsound} I didn't know it exist ,but that's great .Industrial Designer: Yeah , or s {vocalsound} So , we want to have {vocalsound} simple and perfect shapes , like I shown in these phones . Youcan have your own designs and and you can feel simple designs . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} And you can choose colours on your day for each day , or evenmany colours .Marketing: Ha .Project Manager: Ho-ho . That's for the L_C_D_ or for the titanium ?Marketing: You mean we can change the colour uh ofthIndustrial Designer: For the L_C_D_ .Marketing: Yeah . Yeah okay , for the L_C_D_ .Industrial Designer: With titanium it's {disfmarker} it is silver .Marketing:Tit titanium is {disfmarker}User Interface: We are still working on titanium .Project Manager: Mm-mm .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: So , r we'llstart with L_C_D_ .Marketing: Uh , okay .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm , yeah . {vocalsound}User Interface: You can ask Bob . It'sTuesday . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Hey , you know you're theme today . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Yeah , Bob , please . {vocalsound} {gap} Tuesday colour . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah . Even you can configure your colours for its {disfmarker} the{disfmarker} depending on your mood , or sMarketing: Okay .Project Manager: Hmm .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} Black for Sunday . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} And you can have many colours on weekends . Or {disfmarker}{vocalsound}Project Manager: And w wait , wh what are the strawberries for ? {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Wh whIndustrial Designer: Huh ?Marketing: On theL_C_D_ ?Industrial Designer: Ah , these are like sensors .Marketing: Oh .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} Of course .User Interface: That's location sensors .Marketing: {vocalsound} What do you think ? {vocalsound} Strawberry sensors . {vocalsound}Very useful .Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound} Strawberries .Industrial Designer: So , {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: after this meeting we'll propose a party for our success for {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Ah . {vocalsound}Marketing: Lounge meeting .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} So , if you are vegetarian or you have any options , please let us know .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface:Yeah , and we can just {gap} some strawberry first . Um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .{vocalsound}Marketing: Alright . Good . {vocalsound}User Interface: Oops .Industrial Designer: SMarketing: So , huh . Interesting . In interesting . Mm mm.Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So , any specific questions for {disfmarker}Project Manager:we'll see in the financial part if uh {vocalsound} all {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound} gets into {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} It makes sense .Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound}User Interface: Let's make a party first maybe . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} W Who is the five uh {disfmarker} fifty millions we {vocalsound} first make a party in ?Industrial Designer: Yeah . Thenwe can discuss {disfmarker} We can {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yeah , then we can have how much for how money is left .{vocalsound}Marketing: So uh , this is {disfmarker}Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: What a design .Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound} Uh , so{disfmarker} Let's uh ,Marketing: {vocalsound} It's my turn .Project Manager: yeah , let's see if uh th it's meet the evaluation criterium .{vocalsound}Marketing: Mm-hmm . Let's see if this {disfmarker} Yeah , if you meet {vocalsound} the evaluation criterion .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oops .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Fudge .Marketing: Yeah . So , evaluation please . So . You made a very"}
{"doc_id":"doc_5","qid":"","text":"Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Are you sure I got it all {disfmarker} head's kinda small .User Interface: How're we placed in terms of the{disfmarker}Marketing: Okay . {gap}User Interface: alright .Marketing: We're okay ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Guess I should probably try to sit upstraight .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Like that ? Okay , cool .Marketing: We're good ?Industrial Designer: Oh , I think mine's fallen off .UserInterface: It fell {disfmarker} That's why .Marketing: I guess it's gonna be hard to drink coffee .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: Uh okay .User Interface: Ah .Project Manager: Okay ? {vocalsound} Right , so I'm just gonna start this PowerPoint real quick . Yeah ,PowerPoint .Industrial Designer: Wow .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Very official .Project Manager: Yeah , well , you know , {vocalsound}{vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah I kinda like this I'm kindagetting into it . Right . Um . So just to kick off the meeting basically um so we're working now for a real reaction , this is uh so it {vocalsound} right . Just got anagenda to set out what we're gonna try to accomplish in this particular first meeting . Um {vocalsound} We're gonna just do a quick opening and we canhopefully all get acquainted with one another um then we're gonna start {disfmarker} talk a little bit about tool training . Essentially that means getting used tothe only thing that we haven't tried out yet , the whiteboard . {vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} we've got a general plan for the project how we're gonna go aboutaccomplishing this and then just a bit of discussion close up . Um I {gap} guess you know game or something um {vocalsound} in real life um so yeah basically Iwant to {disfmarker} I'm just gonna {disfmarker} you got {disfmarker} of course you can discuss that , I'm thinking about um {vocalsound} uh proposing thatsince we've got this weird blend of ourselves and our roles that we just don't ask , don't tell . {vocalsound} Um so um if you say something about marketing ,right , sorted , um {vocalsound} y isMarketing: {vocalsound} You're just gonna believe me ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: we'll go from there.Project Manager: Exactly . Um I meanMarketing: Fair enough .Project Manager: obvi if if you guys {disfmarker} if if at the same time if you {disfmarker} likelogically if something doesn't {disfmarker} like if I'm like we're gonna sell a remote control that's the size of this paper book you know um you say like well thatdoesn't seem like such a good idea because of X_ obviously go with it . I mean we'll discuss it but I'm not gonna ask do you know that or uh yeah it seemslikeMarketing: Prove itProject Manager: {vocalsound} yeah yeah exactlyMarketing: yeah , okay .Project Manager: so , 'cause we're {disfmarker} what we're sortof role playing is y g yeah you're gonna tap into your own knowledge as well {vocalsound} um . And that's the same for your when we do introductions I meanum and you talk about your background you know have fun , you know maybe you went to um {vocalsound} uh you know maybe i you're like in Maine you wentto U_C_S_B_ but you wanna say you went to Harvard or something like that , why not , you knowIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: you can {disfmarker} this is you know I guess we can have a little bit of fun with it . So are you guys okay with that does thatseem logical ?Industrial Designer: Oh yeah , that's fine .User Interface: Sure .Marketing: Works for me .Project Manager: Sweet . Cool . So I guess that that{vocalsound} we're totally {disfmarker} we're making a remote control which is thrillingIndustrial Designer: Right .Project Manager: um uh but the idea is thatwe can make something based on the whole corporate model I dunno if you guys had time to check the {disfmarker} in real life I dunno if you guys uh{vocalsound} checked the um {vocalsound} uh the corporate website . Um we've got to make something as fashionable as possible , that's kind of the corporatestrategy is we're gonna try to take ordinary stuff that nobody really thinks about and try to make it nice you know like John Lewis nice or you know if you go toDebenham's or something . So um basically we are reinventing the wheel but we wanna try to do it in a user friendly um slick sleek kind of way . {vocalsound}Um way we're gonna go about doing that is basically at first we're gonna start on the basics . And that's where I'm gonna need you guys the User InterfaceDesigners and the um {vocalsound} um the other designer that I can't remember ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: the the I_D_ and the U_I_D_ rightum {vocalsound} the Industrial DesignerIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: hey right onalright ,User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: getting into it umMarketing: There you go .Project Manager: to guide me and guide us on this project 'cause you'regonna be {disfmarker} you're g you guys are the bottom you know you're like no you can't do that you can't have you know X_ and Y_ um at the same time .And then um we'll work up from what is necessary to more like what would be good , you know like um {vocalsound} I I think you guys probably got the sameemails I did but the idea of um , yes a coffee pot needs to be able to hold coffee but it's also better if it's not like really cheap glass so that it if you touch it youhurt your hand , or something like that . Um and so we'll work up from there and um then we'll meet on and talk about it and then finally we'll incorporate as kindof the last stage you know where you guys build or tell me {vocalsound} tell us what's possible and then you tell us what we can um hope for and what way to gotake the the the take the basics and make it nicer and then ov obviously uh the U_I_D_ and the I_D_ you know you you can keep on the you know sort of at thecutting edge of how to get about maximising what is possible um to try t of sync it all up . So that's the detailed design . So it's a three stage kind of thing . Umright so for now just for th the white board um basically uh just to get used to it , I haven't tried it yet either um I'm just gonna start and um mm carry like fiveremotes around um and just write down {disfmarker} I'm just gonna write down one of the names of my um desert discs you know if you {disfmarker} if youwere trapped on a desert island and you could only bring five C_D_s along with you name one of them that you could , not all five , if you wanna write all five gofor it but name one of them that you could um . Oh , we skipped introductions . Nice . I'm a excellent Project Manager . Um .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: I'm Marty ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: um I went to uni at uh U_C_ Santa Barbara and I'm hereworking on a P_H_D_ in psychology . Um yeah . So {disfmarker}Marketing: I'm Sarah , I went to Michigan , and I'm here doing cultural studies and I'm theMarketing Manager or something . Marketing ,Project Manager: Expert {vocalsound}Marketing: yeah Expert . Expert .Project Manager: Don't play yourself down .Expert {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Fine . That's me .User Interface: I'm Ron . I uh once upon a time studied in Victoria and I am theUser Interface Designer .Industrial Designer: I'm Nathan , I'm from California , and I'm here doing a Masters degree in social anthropology .Project Manager:Where did you go to uni Nathan ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} U_C_L_A_ .Project Manager: Oh brilliant . Cool . My little brother goes there .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah . Okay .Project Manager: Right so desert island discs .Marketing: So .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: So do we have to wait for you to write itdown or are you gonna tell us ?Project Manager: Well I'll t iMarketing: I'm waiting to know .Project Manager: no no yeah I'm just gonna write a couple of 'emdown . See I'm a big music fan I don't know if you guys are , I'm assuming everybody likes music to some lesser or greater extentMarketing: Uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: but there's some other options , if you're a T_V_ slutMarketing: Fair enough .Project Manager: like I am like Smallville terribletelevision showIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: but I happen to love it ,Marketing: Oh , Smallville .UserInterface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: it's rubbish but I love it .Marketing: I went to high school with Tom Willing actually .Project Manager: Tthe the main c the main character ?Marketing: The guy . Yeah .Project Manager: Wow . Is he a wanker ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .{vocalsound} Very much so . Hell of a soccer player but a total bastard nonetheless .Project Manager: He looks really tall , like he's gotta be like six six.Marketing: Yeah . He is a big guy . Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah . Um okay so {vocalsound} I really like Jeff Buckley . You guys heard of Jeff Buckley ?IndustrialDesigner: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Um that's cool 'cause like not very many people have . Um {vocalsound} and um oh well I might aswell throw a British person in there um you can't go wrong with Radiohead .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: It's a rMarketing: Good call .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Okay so it really works just like a pen only makes noises I think . It's kinda weird . AnywayMarketing: Interesting .Project Manager: yeah. Yeah , you're like press and it's {vocalsound} .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Kinda cool .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: You'llsee . Alright so umUser Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: whoever wants to get up next , you can write down some telly that you watch or whatever youwant .Marketing: I guess I'll go next then .Project Manager: Right on .User Interface: Go for it .Marketing: Okay . Don't wanna lose all my mikes , plugged in here. Okay . This is basically just pen practice huh ?Project Manager: WMarketing: Okay . Oh you're much taller than me so I'm gonna write down here . Um . Rightnow I'm listening to a lot of somebody nobody's ever heard of , Chris Bathgate ,Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: local Michigan folk singer ,Project Manager:Nice .Industrial Designer: Wow .Marketing: really lameUser Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: and uh uh what else did I bring with me ? Probably classical , tototally geek it out ,Project Manager: Okay yeah yeah .Marketing: yeah I think . And my family guy D_V_D_sProject Manager: Well yeah .Marketing: but we don'tneed to write that one down .Project Manager: Oh , family guy . Isn't h has hIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: do you watch the new season?Marketing: No . Are you getting it online ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} I think I'm gonna start downloading itMarketing: or is it on sky ?Project Manager: yeah.Marketing: Yeah , that'd be nice .User Interface: Alright . Think I'm just gonna put down one uh one C_D_ . Anybody ?Project Manager: Mm-mm .IndustrialDesigner: No .User Interface: No ? {gap} no ?Marketing: 'Fraid not .User Interface: Afro beat orchestra , very cool .Project Manager: Afro beat orchestra ? Very"}
{"doc_id":"doc_6","qid":"","text":"The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota (NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)): We'll call this meeting to order. Welcome to the fifth meeting of the House of Commons SpecialCommittee on the COVID-19 Pandemic.  Pursuant to the order passed on Monday, April20, the committee is meeting today to consider ministerialannouncements, to allow members of the committee to present petitions, and to question ministers, including the Prime Minister, about the COVID-19 pandemic.Tomorrow, May8, Dr.AndreaMcCrady, Dominion Carillonneur, will give a special recital to mark the 75th anniversary of Victory in Europe Day. Victory in EuropeDay, VE Day, commemorates the formal acceptance of Germany's surrender by allied forces at the end of the Second World War. While the pandemic prevents usfrom gathering to celebrate in person, tomorrow at noon the voice of our nation will ring out in remembrance of this milestone in our history. Today's meeting istaking place by video conference. The proceedings will be made available via the House of Commons website. Just so you are aware, the webcast will alwaysshow the person speaking rather than the entire committee. I would like to remind members that, as in the House of Commons or committee, they should nottake photos of their colleagues or film the proceedings. In order to facilitate the work of the interpreters and to allow the meeting to proceed smoothly, I wouldask you to follow some instructions. The video conference will be interpreted as in normal meetings of committees and in the House. In the lower part of yourscreen, you can choose the language: floor, English or French. Please wait until I call on you by name before you begin to speak. When you are ready to speak,click on the microphone icon to activate your microphone, or hold the space bar down while you are speaking. If you release the bar, your microphone will revertto mute, just like a walkie-talkie. Honourable members, I would like to remind you that if you want to speak English, you should be on the English channel. If youwant to speak French, you should be on the French channel. Should you wish to alternate between the two languages, you should change the channel to thelanguage that you are speaking each time you switch languages. Please direct your remarks through the chair. Should you need to request the floor outside ofyour designated speaking time, you should activate your mike and state that you have a point of order. If a member of the committee wishes to intervene on apoint of order raised by another person, you should use the raised hand function to indicate to the chair that you wish to speak. To do this, click on the participantbutton at the bottom of your screen. When the list appears, you will see the raised hand option beside your name. Speak slowly and clearly at all times. When youare not speaking, leave your microphone on mute. It is highly recommended that you use a headset with a microphone. You have to remember to switchlanguages. Should any technical challenges arise, for example, in relation to interpretation, please advise the chair immediately by raising a point of order, andthe technical team will work on resolving them. Please note that we may need to suspend during these times in order to correct a problem. I want to remind thehonourable members to mute their microphones when they are not speaking. If you get accidentally disconnected, please try to rejoin the meeting with theinformation you used to join initially. If you are unable to rejoin, please contact our technical support team. Before we get started, please note that in the topright-hand corner of your screen is a button that you can use to change views. Speaker view allows you to focus on the person currently speaking; gallery viewallows you to see a larger number of participants. You can click through the multiple pages in the gallery view to see who is on and how many more participantsthere are. I understand there are no ministerial announcements today. We will now proceed to presenting petitions for a period not exceeding 15 minutes. I wouldlike to remind members that any petition presented during the meeting of the special committee must have already been certified by the clerk of petitions. Inaddition, to ensure a petition is considered properly presented, the certificate of the petition and each page of the petition for a petition certified in a previousParliament should be mailed to the committee no later than 6 p.m. the day before. Now we'll go to presenting petitions. Mr. Genuis.Mr. Garnett Genuis (SherwoodParkFort Saskatchewan, CPC): Mr. Chair, five years ago when Parliament passed Bill C-14, then justice minister Jody Wilson-Raybould said that it represented afinely tuned balance between access and safeguards. It also included a five-year review. Petitioners on the first petition I'm presenting are very concerned to seeBill C-7 before Parliament, which removes safeguards ahead of that five-year review. Petitioners specifically mention their concerns about the removal of themandatory 10-day reflection period, which can already be waived in certain circumstances. They are concerned about reducing the number of witnesses requiredto oversee it and ensure that a request has been properly made. I commend that petition to the consideration of the House. The second and final petition that Iwill be presenting today is with respect to Senate Bill S-204. This would make it a criminal offence for a person to go abroad and receive an organ from a personwho did not consent. This responds specifically to concerns about organ harvesting in the People's Republic of China involving Falun Gong practitioners andincreasing concerns that this is being or about to be applied to Uighurs as well. Canada can and should take action on this. Petitioners are noting that in theprevious Parliament there were bills on this, Bill C-350 and Bill S-240. Now, in this Parliament there is a bill, Bill S-204, and the petitioners hope that this 43rdParliament will be the one that gets it passed.The Chair: We will go to Ms. May.Ms. Elizabeth May (SaanichGulf Islands, GP): Thank you, Mr. Chair. It's an honour.This is my first occasion to present a petition in our virtual format of the COVID-19 committee. Thank you to you and your staff, Mr. Chair, for developing asystem that allows us to present petitions electronically. The petition I am presenting today, which was previously approved, is from a number of constituentswho are concerned that we pursue the Paris Agreement to hold the global average temperature increase to no more than 1.5C. The Paris Agreement itselfembeds in it the concept of Just Transition with a capital J and a capital T, the concept of just transition ensuring fairness and support for all workers in the fossilfuel sector. The petitioners call upon the Government of Canada to move forward with an act to ensure just transition and to ensure adequate funding so thatworkers and communities dependent on the fossil fuel sector receive meaningful support to ensure security in their lives in the transition to more sustainableenergy use. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.The Chair: Those are all the petitions for today. I want to thank the honourable members for their usual collaboration andnow we'll go on toMr. James Bezan (SelkirkInterlakeEastman, CPC): On a point of order, Mr. Chair, on Tuesday, at our COVID-19 committee of the wholemeeting, I was asking a question which started at 12:56:06 and was cut off at 1:00:32, so I still have 34 seconds of time remaining in my question time of fiveminutes. You said it could be no more than five minutes but that I had up to five minutes. Thirty-four seconds leaves a lot of time to have a quick question and aquick response. If you believe that my time was unjustly cut off and that it was unfair treatment of the official opposition when we were raising our points oforder, I would ask that the 34 seconds be tacked on to the opening round for the opposition and credited to Rosemarie Falk, who will be leading off for theConservatives.The Chair: Normally what happens is the chair uses judgment, and with 35 seconds, there isn't enough time obviously for a full question or answer,most of the time. I'll take it under advisement. I can't allot it. I want everyone to know that I do have a timer next to me and I am timing the questions, and I willbe treating the answers the same way. If it's a 25-second question, it will be a 25-second answer. Thank you for bringing that up. I believe that issue has beenremedied. We've taken a little bit of the chair's ability to give judgment on it, but it will be from now on. Thank you.Mr. James Bezan: Mr. Chair, 34 seconds is aconsiderable amount of time to do a short question and a short answer.The Chair: I appreciate the advice. Thank you, Mr. Bezan. We'll now proceed to thequestioning of ministers. I would like to remind the honourable members that no member will be recognized for more than five minutes at a time and thatmembers may split their time with one or more members by so indicating to the chair. Ministers responding to the questions should do so by simply turning ontheir microphone and speaking. Our first questioner is Ms. Falk.Mrs. Rosemarie Falk (BattlefordsLloydminster, CPC): Mr. Chair, yesterday, Elizabeth May and theleader of the separatists declared oil to be dead. It's certainly not dead, but it's dying under the Trudeau government. Will the Prime Minister stand up forCanada's energy workers, or does he agree with the fringe left and those who want to destroy our country?Ms. Elizabeth May: I have a point of order.The Chair:Go ahead, Ms. May.Ms. Elizabeth May: Mr. Chair, I believe that the language that the honourable member just used is unparliamentaryMr. Garnett Genuis: That'snot a point of order.Ms. Elizabeth May: We can have differences of opinion, but it is absolutely  Some hon. members: Debate.  Ms. Elizabeth May: unacceptableand violates my privileges to  An hon member: Debate.  Ms. Elizabeth May: No, it's not debate. I would ask the chair to rule on that, not the member from theConservative Party. It is unacceptable to assert that anyone who wants to make a point about our economy is trying to destroy the country. This allegation is aviolation of my privilege.   An hon. member: She was also named by theThe Chair: Order. I didn't recognize anyone. I don't know who is speaking, so I'll juststart talking myself. I want to remind honourable members to have respect in their questions and in their answers. When you refer to someone, please refer tothem respectfully. This is a committee of the House, and I would expect no less of the honourable members. We'll go to the right honourable Prime Minister. Youhave 16 seconds.Right Hon. Justin Trudeau (Prime Minister): Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. As I pointed out this morning in my press conference, we cannotmove forward on a transformation of our energy sector without supporting the workers in that energy sector. We need their innovation and we need their hardwork if we are going to lower our emissions, if we are going to reach ourThe Chair: We'll go to Ms. Falk again.Mrs. Rosemarie Falk: Mr. Chair, it has been 43 dayssince the finance minister promised Canada's energy sector liquidity through the Business Development Bank of Canada. For 43 days the finance minister hasfailed to deliver on that promise. These delays cost jobs and they are costing us Canadian businesses. If the government doesn't step up to support our energy"}
{"doc_id":"doc_7","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Right w welcome to the the first meeting of uh Real Reaction's uh um development meetings for our our new television remote control . Uh thisfollows our very successful entry into the the consumer market over the last year or so um which we want to to build on , taking advantage of the uh the thelatest developments in in technology and the uh the latest uh {vocalsound} uh feelings in in consumer design and and demand and uh we want to make this thethe very best product th that's possible for everybody , uh one that everybody wants , uh at a good price for the consumer and at a good price for the company .Uh and to that end we need all to work together uh to do that . Um and uh b in no particular order because ev everybody is uh {vocalsound} just as vital to thisprojectMarketing: Mm .Project Manager: um {vocalsound} I'll just go round th the table , Andrew , marketing , um m Kendra with the uh um {disfmarker}designing the the the User Interface uh uh and Kate with the the industrial design . Um . {vocalsound} What's uh {disfmarker} the the th th project is is here todo , is is to to get this this project up and moving , ev everybody is is free to uh say wh whatever they want , uh everybody has a contribution to make and uh{vocalsound} everybody feel free to interrupt me at any time to to say what you want to say . Um in in terms of the immediate meeting the uh um {gap}everybody knows everybody else , everybody's worked for the the company for a while , if if an anybody feels that they need to say more about themselvesplease do , if if if anybody wants to b briefly give their their background so that everybody's quite clear what everybody uh {disfmarker} uh everybody'sexperience is please do so . Uh in fact I'd I'd I'd welcome anybody to uh say something briefly about themselves , in fact we will do that by by going round thetable quickly and and saying what what contribution you {disfmarker} you're looking to make . So we'll start with Andrew .Marketing: Oh my name's Andrew I'ma {disfmarker} I'm the Market Research person for this uh for this meeting and this uh project for creating this new remote control and uh yeah I'll be uhpresenting information statistics on what people want to want to uh get from this new design , what people want to {gap} like {disfmarker} and from a fashionpoint of view and the practicality point of view .Project Manager: Right {vocalsound} Kendra .User Interface: {vocalsound} I'm Kendra and I'm the Us UserInterface Designer and um {vocalsound} I haven't had a whole lot of experience in this kind of thing before but I'm m so I'll be {vocalsound} working on thedesign .Project Manager: Right at least means you haven't got any preconceived ideas so .User Interface: Right . Yep , I'm just open to being creative .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Uh I'm Katie ,Project Manager: Yep , good .Industrial Designer: I'm the Industrial Designer and I'll just be I guess presenting about thethe inter workings of our little remote control and uh {disfmarker} yeah .Project Manager: Okay , very very quickly , um {vocalsound} this {disfmarker} I don'twant to make this meeting too structured because the the whole idea is that it's a um you know a think tank . Everybody says what they {gap} what they want tosay , uh and we don't want to be constrained by uh kind of convention or uh uh slides on screens or or anything else um but um briefly um th th this is what wewant to do . The the remote control needs to be original , there has to be something about it that uh other remote controls don't have so that as soon as peoplesee it they think um yes that's different , uh I want one , um and that goes along with being trendy , uh uh you know the I want it uh scenario . User-friendly asas we all know , remote controls can be uh uh very user-unfriendly so we want to make ours one that people can pick upMarketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: and think oh yes that's {disfmarker} it's obvious how that works , uh and they also want to look at the price and think oh yeah that's something that{disfmarker} I may not need another remote control but uh it's such a nice one I'm gonna have one . And last but not least , or indeed first of all , it it must makethe company money , and we make the company money by producing what the consumer wants . The uh the further work to be done is i the um the functionaldesign , uh what it uh what it must actually do , the uh conceptual design , uh how we actually present that to the consumer and th the the detailed design i is uhhow we get that into production . Uh now th the main design tool that we have available to us at the moment is is the white board and uh uh {vocalsound} let usvery quickly do what i what it says in the in the in the prompt slide here , um {disfmarker} In fact I suggest to avoid everybody untangling themselves from theuh the the wires , that we don't do that , um So I I {disfmarker} everybody knows what whiteboard is so we'll um uh we'll do a virtual drawing on the on on thewhiteboard of of your your own uh uh favourite animal , but le let's go round the table , your favourite animal .Marketing: Um , badger . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Mm and why ?Marketing: Uh it's it's got nice contrast with black {vocalsound} and white and uh {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh-huh .Marketing: Ifeel they're {gap} underdog kind of statusProject Manager: Oh rightMarketing: and they're , theProject Manager: uh my my wife says my beard looks like abadger's arse 'cause of the the white streaks in it . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Um probably a duckMarketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Kendra .User Interface: I just {disfmarker} I li I like the way they look and they're just nice animals and I like how they can fly orswim or walk around or whatever .Project Manager: Uh-huh . Right , okay .Industrial Designer: Uh 's horses , no particular reason why {vocalsound} .ProjectManager: Uh-huh , {gap} fair enough yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I'm not sure that I've got any favourite animal to be quite honest , Ithink homo sapienIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: because of their {disfmarker} their uh overall ability to uh uh{disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Make mobile phones and T_V_ remotes {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Project Manager: Sorry ?IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Marketing: to make T_V_ remotes {vocalsound} .Project Manager: Indeed absolutely yes ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: tha that's um {disfmarker} Okay and uh w we need to keep in mind here that the uh {disfmarker} we want to sell this for for twenty five Euro um , wewant to m make an overall profit for the the company of fifty million Euros so we're we're looking at selling a lot of these um ag across the the entire planet andand we're looking at a gross profit of fifty percent . {vocalsound} It needs to cost twelve Euros fifty to make . Um so we're not only looking at a a very trendyoriginal product , we're looking at making it at a very good price . Um , okay , um {vocalsound} would anybody like t like to to start by giving their o um sort ofquick views of of current remote controls .User Interface: Well I think {disfmarker} I find a lot of them really complicated to use with all the different buttons anduh it's handiest when you have one that works both the D_V_D_ player or whatever and the T_V_ as well . Um , but that {disfmarker} it's easy to {gap} if youcan switch back and forth instead of having to {vocalsound} press a bunch of different buttonsProject Manager: No .User Interface: and {disfmarker} so I thinkit's is best when they're clearly labelled and you can see which buttons you're supposed to use , you know .Project Manager: Any any thoughts about buttons orany oth other way of approaching the p the uh the problem ? Or anybody else , strong feelings about remote controls ? Are there you know , bad ones they'veused or good ones they've used or ones that they've lost and never found again ?Industrial Designer: Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I think it's important thatyou should be able to {disfmarker} when you when you press the buttons it'll actually pick up the signals from kind of anywhere and you shouldn't have to likecontort yourself and twist your remote control to get it {disfmarker} the T_V_ to actually pick up the signal .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing:Think a lot of the time , remotes that come with T_V_ players and {gap} T_V_s and D_V_ players , like they aren'tIndustrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: like anarea that's put a lot of effort into , they're very boring , very plain .Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: Like it's very {disfmarker} a very {disfmarker} like ummaking a a stylish remote control would be a very like {disfmarker} Easily put us one step ahead of the current competition .Project Manager: Um what so whwhat's in in {disfmarker} what particular style features are you thinking about ?Marketing: {vocalsound} Um . Something that looks looks {disfmarker} doesn'tlook like remote control .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: So if you want , {vocalsound} something that looks like uh {disfmarker} something thatmakes you think oh what's this ? Like this pen doesn't really look like a pen ,Project Manager: Uh-huh .Marketing: but it makes you think oh .Project Manager:{gap} . YeahMarketing: So , sorry that's a bit vague {vocalsound} .Project Manager: d no I mean do you think there's a risk if it doesn't look like remote control ,{vocalsound} people won't see it as a remote control um and uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Uh I suppose suppose that's up to the marketing to to make makepeople aware of the product .Project Manager: Uh-huh . Any other thoughts about um th the physical appearance of a {disfmarker} of remote controls ?UserInterface: I think something that's comfortable to hold because sometimes you get the remote controls that are just those big , rectangular thingsIndustrialDesigner: Mm .Marketing: Mm .User Interface: and uh they're kind of awkward to hold onto ,Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: so something that's morecomfortable that fits in a person's hand better .Project Manager: I mean th the thing that i immediately comes to mind is computer mouses which um I mean yyou get all sorts of shapes in the shopsIndustrial Designer: Mm .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: and s youknow some quite fancy ones um than the {vocalsound} {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: some from personal experience which lookniceIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: but {vocalsound} aren't particularly comfortable . Um {vocalsound} any thoughts about buttons or flatscreens or uh uh {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Well from the mouse idea you could , {gap} remote is a piece of plastic with the big rubberbuttons sticking out of it which you press , whereas if you want {gap} {disfmarker} could all be flat and the buttons are very kind of almost subtle that instead ofbeing raised out of the device uh you push into device you see , like a mouse button .Project Manager: Yes , I mean {vocalsound} the only thing is if if you'rewatching television in a in a a darkened room um you need to be able to uhIndustrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: I suppose .Project Manager: fi find the button"}
{"doc_id":"doc_8","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay , well I think we're ready to begin . Right , my name's Adam Duguid , we're here because of real reaction , um , we have in thegroupMarketing: Oh , Ebenezer Ademesoye . Would you like me to spell that ?Project Manager: Um , yeah ,Marketing: SProject Manager: go for it mate.Marketing: Um , N_E_Z_Project Manager: N_ E_ Z_ .Marketing: E_R_ .Project Manager: Ebenezer . And your role is ?Marketing: I'm the Marketing Expert.Project Manager: You're the Marketing Expert , okay . Next we have ?Industrial Designer: Tarik Rahman . T_A_R_I_K_ .Project Manager: T_ R_ I_ K_ . And yourrole in this is ?Industrial Designer: Industrial Designer .Project Manager: Industrial Designer . And , lastly we have ?User Interface: Uh , Dave Cochrane .ProjectManager: And you're going to be the User Interface ,User Interface: User Interface Defin Designer , yes .Project Manager: is it ? Designer . Okay . Right . This isthe agenda for today's meeting . As you can see , w opening , acquaintance , tool training , project plan discussion , and closing . Um , we already got n throughopening , and partially through acquaintance . So , the reason we're here , we're gonna design a new remote control , as you probably all know . The very broadoverview is original , trendy , and user-friendly . Course , we'll have to go into a bit more um detail than that , but uh {vocalsound} personally I think that theoriginal is gonna be a very key aspect to this design . Um , there's a lot of remote controls out there anyway , so we're gonna need something that's really gonnaset it apart . This is how today seems to be going to work . We're gonna have the three kay phases , as you've probably already been told , the functional ,architectural , and the detailed design . Um {disfmarker} First one's gonna be covering the user requirement spec , technical functions , working design . Secondseems to be conceptual components , properties , materials , and the last one is a detailed analysis of our design so far . Of course , you've all got the similaremails , I believe , right . {vocalsound} What can I say ? Ebenezer , you wanna have a {disfmarker} you wanna draw your favourite animal {vocalsound}?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Sure . {vocalsound} Whiteboard . 'Kay . S okay . I will make this quick , since we don't have much time .{vocalsound} Um . {vocalsound} 'Kay , so it's not the best picture in the world .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Here we have anelephant . First point , begins with an E_ , same like Ebenezer . Also , elephants have a very good memory , much like myself ,Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: and I can't remember back when I used to live back in Nigeria , but I think I used to have a pet elephant . So elephants are big , strongand gentle , and they have great memories , and they begin with the letter E_ , just like Ebenezer .Project Manager: Brilliantly done . Thank you .{vocalsound}Marketing: Thank you .Project Manager: Tarik , would you like to have a shot at a bit of artistry ?Industrial Designer: {gap} .Project Manager: Oh ,um ,Marketing: Oh . Oh {vocalsound} ohProject Manager: you can clip them to your belt .Industrial Designer: Do we take them off ?Marketing: I think yougaIndustrial Designer: Oh right ,Project Manager: You should also l um have your {disfmarker} the lapel mic on as well .Industrial Designer: okay .Marketing:The little {disfmarker} The the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Ah-ha .Marketing: Oh that's good , we can clip them on . Okay . Yeah ,Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Now where do I put the {disfmarker}Marketing: Just um somewhere {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yep , the {gap} , it's just across there , that'sit . Yep .Industrial Designer: Is this supposed to be clipped as well ?Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: I think so .Project Manager: It'll follow you if you{disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah . There you go .Project Manager: You can probably just stick it in your pocket for now , I wouldn't worry too much . Should havegood range .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Uh , destroying your elephant here .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Uh , here we have a tiger . Uh {disfmarker} I've always loved tigers . They're just {disfmarker} they're big , they'rebiggest cats , uh I did a project on cats in the wild when I was a kid and uh it was my favourite cat , just 'cause it was {disfmarker} looks the best , the stripes ,orange . My dad used to talk about {disfmarker} he's from Bangladesh so he used to tell me all about them when he was {disfmarker} when I was a kid . And uhthey're just the most feared of of uh animals in the wild . So uh that's why I like them . Didn't say an anything about me really but {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} Excellent , thank you very much . Dave , if you'd like to uh have a dash .User Interface: Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Um , the monkey , um .The one f uh {disfmarker} in fact this is a {gap} somewhat oblique reference in fact to uh {disfmarker} well my {disfmarker} I have a three uh three y year olddaughter who h who who who is affectionately known as Miss Monkey . Um , monkeys have attitude . Which I think is a good thing . And I mean fr {vocalsound}and from uh from the point of view of sort of the study of human evolution they and other primates are terribly interesting . Um , so I like monkeys . And and thth th th thi thi this one seems to have perhaps more attitude than most .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Cheers . Hardly what I'd call the bestdrawing in the world but it'll do for now . Also not quite as feared as your average tiger , but uh cats are one of my favourite animals , they're very independent ,they're snotty as hell at the best of times , and uh , what can you say , you got to love those qualities in an animal . Right . I think we've all managed to masterthe whiteboard there by looks of it , so , on to it . Project finance . As you can see , twelve point five Euros per unit . That's not a terrible lot as far as I'm aware ,and we're hoping to sell them for twenty five . If we're aiming for fifty million Euros we're gonna have to be selling an awful lot of them .Marketing: Oh , that wasprofiting , that was an amount , so that's the amount made ,Project Manager: Yep .Marketing: okay .Project Manager: Well , fifty million , and if you're makingtwelve point five Euros on each one , then , awful lot need to be sold .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay . Now we better actually just get on with the uhthe meat of the project . So I'm gonna guess that we've all used remote controls . Any ideas of where you think a new remote control could go into this market?User Interface: Well , one thing I'm aware of is , th there uh um at the sort of v very high price end of the market there's there's a em emerging market for sortof touch screen L_C_D_ remotes that can be uh programmed in m much more sophisticated ways than sort of conventional models , so you get the sort of youget um you {vocalsound} you can redesign the interface to your own needs , you can programme in macros , and you get a much greater degree um um I meanyou get in these sort of {vocalsound} three in one , five in one , whatevers , but you can get integration between the different uh the the the diff the differentthings that it's designed to control , to a much greater extent , and you can have one uh you know one macro to turn the uh you know turn the T_V_ to the rightchannel , get the uh re uh rewind the tape in the V_C_R_ and get it to play once it's rewound , for instance .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Um b itoccurs to me there might be a niche for uh for a remote that aimed towards some of that sort of functionality but using a just conventional push button design .And therefore putting it into a um well much lower price bracket .Project Manager: Okay , yeah , tha that's true , with the price range we're looking at , going fora touch screen would probably be possibly out of our {disfmarker}User Interface: Absolutely prohibitive ,Project Manager: yeah .User Interface: yeah .Marketing:Oh .Project Manager: But you think uh again something to control multiple units in uh a simple fashion .User Interface: Yeah , I mean I wouldn't like to say you g{vocalsound} I mean you get ones that you can switch between multiple units , but something that could um operate between multiple units in a more integratedfashion . Some {gap} and ideally something into which it would have some at least limited facility for {vocalsound} um running macros .Project Manager: Wouldthe the idea something along the lines of , one on button would turn on say the video recorder , the T_V_ , maybe the sound system as well , all in one go , isthat kind of {disfmarker}User Interface: For instance , um let's say oh oh um , or um you know you pr uh you press uh say the play button for the D_V_D_ playerand it turns the T_V_ on and onto the right channel as well , umProject Manager: Okay , that sounds like a a good strong idea . Um {disfmarker}Marketing:'KayProject Manager: {vocalsound} Any takes on this ?Marketing: Well um I've noticed that uh gaming c is becoming quite popular with television , um when Iwas younger we used to e play games using our cable , using the cable subscribed the cable providers ,User Interface: Mm-hmm .Marketing: but our remotecontrols would get worn out really easily , and {vocalsound} the remote control was not a great kind of keyboar , um keypad , for playing games .ProjectManager: Okay .Marketing: So perhaps one that was more um specialised for game playing or interactive television . They they've recently brought out this newremote control , for people to set their favourite channels , or um to record things . Instead of people entering in what time things start , you simply stri slide abar to say what time it begins ,Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: and slide another bar to say what time it ends , you know that's {disfmarker}Project Manager:Yeah I've heard {disfmarker} I've seen the bar-code design before ,Industrial Designer: Mm .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: yeah .Marketing: Yeah ,it's it's taken out the {disfmarker} Y you don't have to be uh really clever to use a remote control . I think for gaming , you know you want you want some bigbuttons for up , down , left and right , shoot .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Uh , you wanna be able to change angles in interactivetelevision , so you need buttons to change the television angle , the camera angles and stuff like that .Project Manager: Okay , wellIndustrial Designer: 'Kay.Project Manager: we're beginning to run out of time now , so , we've got a couple of ideas ,Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: we can {disfmarker} we'll have towork fast , um , alright as you can see we've got thirty minutes until the next meeting , so {vocalsound} we'll have to try and decide on some of the basicfunctionality , um , how the user interface might work , that'll be a key aspect especially if the idea of um some kind of macros facility because you have toprogram it , you have to have a lot of response back , or at least some kind . Um {disfmarker}User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: And we're gonnamaybe n try and have to figure outMarketing: What the user wants uh .Project Manager: what the user wants , yes .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Um , right"}
{"doc_id":"doc_9","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: All set ? Okay . Cool . Right . So um basically I'm just gonna go over real quickly um some news I've just got from the board on how we'resupposed to do with this um {vocalsound} remote control . And then I'm gonna turn over to you guys to make brief presentations um on what you've found andthen we'll have a bit of discussion . So basically uh what I've just found out from the board I dunno if you guys got this email as well but it needs to be televisiononly . So no {disfmarker} we're not doing D_V_D_ , we're not doing anything else ,Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: it's just gonna be a television remote .{vocalsound} Um it also needs to have the company colours included in it .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um so that's red andblack . And it has to have the slogan , case you guys forget the slogan it's , we put fashion in electronics . Um and no teletext . I'm not sure what teletext is butI'm assuming you guys do , so we don't wanna include that um in this particular design . {vocalsound} For reasons that I don't really know . There's {disfmarker}but it's the board so there you go . So basically um given those guidelines which will have some effect on how we design we'll discuss it later I mean 'cause it'stelevision only we'll be able to change our uh {vocalsound} um well we can s sacrifice more function for a better television remote . {vocalsound} Anyway . SoI'm gonna turn over to the Industrial Designer uh to go ahead and make a presentation on {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Okay . So do I unplug this bit here?Project Manager: Oh , right yeah .Marketing: Gotta plug you in .Project Manager: Yep . Might have to hit function F_ eight but it looks like it's gonna come up .Yep . Cool .Industrial Designer: Okay . Right . That's page one of my presentation .Project Manager: Brilliant .Marketing: Very nice . For your first PowerPoint it'slovely .Industrial Designer: So the uh method . We're gonna have to understand how remote controls work and res uh successfully complete this project . Umremote control works as follows . This is all pretty basic stuff you guys . Um sends message to another system , so there's an energy source involved in that like abattery or solar power , something along those lines , there's an integrated circuit , which is the microchip , um and that actually compose the messages andusually the way a a remote control works is it sends infrared bits to another system . A user interface controls the chip , basically that's the casing and thebuttons and um accordingly the messages as well . So my findings , um I just did a preliminary study here and uh I found that too much metal in remote designcould potentially cause interference with the ability of the remote to send commands . And too much metal can cause remotes to behave unexpectedly byreceiving false signals . Um too much metal is used sometimes and people pick up radio signals and the like , and there's also the possibility of the remotecatching on fire and injuring the customer , just think of those lawsuits , that'd be really bad .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} 'Kay.Industrial Designer: Therefore I suggest primarily plastic construction . Um , components . Just some ideas that I had , um , energy source , it's kinda hip to beeco friendly so I thought maybe we could do something with solar power with an alkaline battery backup . Um the user interface , I was {disfmarker} since wecan't use metal I was thinking maybe a high grade recycled plastic .Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: The chip , um , silicon based chip I don't really seeany way around that , we can't really be different in that respect . Um , the sender well I'm thinking infrared 'cause it is the industry standard , multi channel ,that's a word I made up , I don't really know what it means .Project Manager: 'Kay . Fair enough .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh PAL andN_T_S_C_ compatible and uh probably a two hundred foot range .Project Manager: 'Kay .Industrial Designer: Uh and the receiver of course is any number ofelectronic devices . Um but in this case it'll only be T_V_s . Um personal preferences , I really think that we should use plastic as opposed to metal , um , thecompany simply can't afford this kinds of lawsuitsMarketing: Fine .Industrial Designer: which adm admittedly is gonna come at the cost of a certain aestheticvalue ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} Is is there a way that we can use um modern types of polymers , or mo modern types of plasticsIndustrial Designer: 'causewe were thinking {disfmarker}Project Manager: that maybe do have some kind of aesthetic value um like if a white {disfmarker} like if we talk about like well likeon the lapt on these laptops and other ones they use a a pretty nice ,Industrial Designer: Right .Marketing: It needs , yeah .Project Manager: you can do i is theresome kind of nice colo der quality plastic that we can work with ?Industrial Designer: Yeah that shouldn't be a problem . Um for example the plastic they have onyour laptop there is something that's perfectly possible for us to do .Project Manager: Okay , okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} That's the end of mypresentation .Marketing: Cool .Project Manager: Great . Thank you very much Nathan . {vocalsound} Um if next we can have the um User Interface Developer goahead and make a brief presentation that'd be great as well .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: S plug yourself in here . Mm . {vocalsound} Um hitfunction F_ eight real quickly , hold down {disfmarker} Mm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Looks like you're in okay .Industrial Designer: Is itplugged in well ? There it goes . Computer adjusting .User Interface: ThProject Manager: There you go . Sweet .Marketing: There you go .User Interface: Well so. Here we have a uh my technical functions design presentation . Um so a few of the requirements we need here . Uh we n basically need to operate an electronicdevice , it needs to be universal um and possibly uh operate several different types of devices although we now uh find that uh that that's no problem .ProjectManager: Yeah sorry I couldn't get that g to use before .User Interface: Um so some of my findings . Um basically wanna send messages uh to a television set .Um that would be any number of different things uh such as switch on the television , uh switch to the next channel , that sort of thing , I think we're all quite uhquite uh intelligent and know know what a normal remote control does . Um {vocalsound} now some of the other things I found is a a complicated remote controlsorry that we can't quite see my red there very wellProject Manager: Oh yeah look at that .Industrial Designer: Mm . {vocalsound}User Interface: but uh thisremote control has many functions um so it can do a lot of things but it uh it is quite complicatedProject Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: and most users willfind it uh find that they won't use most of the functions because they don't know how to use them and don't wanna take the time to learn how to do it . As youalso notice it's quite a boring design . Um . Another remote control , slightly different , it's a simpler remote control uh many less buttons but uh has many fewerfunctions , um m much easier for the user to manipulate and use . Um it also has a bit of a cheap look and it's also quite boring . SoProject Manager:{vocalsound} Nice .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: my personal preferences .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Revolutionise the idea of uh a remote control . Um so attain the functionality of a complicated device but use a simple formatted display uh for the user to to workwith . And I was gonna add another uh slide here but I didn't quite have time there .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .User Interface: Um . Just incorporatingsome of the ideas that we had previously like uh having multiple face but it's uh {gap} .Project Manager: Great . Thanks for that Ron .Marketing: Right .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} 'KayMarketing: Does that mean I'm up ?Project Manager: yep that's you .Marketing: I think so . Okay .User Interface: I can plug you in.Marketing: Oh that would be perfect . Thank you . Slide show up and running .Project Manager: Give it a little bit .Marketing: Or not . Uh . Oh there we go .Perfect . Okay . So this is me . Um basically I was looking through some marketing reports that we've got and we had a usability test where we were actually sort{disfmarker} like watching a hundred people {vocalsound} use T_V_ remotes and see what it is that they're using and then they filled out a questionnaire aboutwhat they like and what they don't about their general T_V_ remote control practices . Um pretty much through testing we were finding out that most of the time, everybody's used to using changing the channel , turning it on , using the volume , m the majority of the time that's all that's going on , the other functionshappen , for some people they're important , but the primary uses are really really basic . Um and so big complicated remotes like one we saw in the lastpresentation are really not the general public's use , they're not using a lot of it , they don't need it , they even find it frustrating when there are all those buttonsthat they don't know what to do with . {vocalsound} And um we also found out that uh fifty percent of our people , their {disfmarker} the worst thing about aremote is how often they lose it . And then they can't find it in the room . So I think what we were talking about with a pager or something , will really come intoplay with a lot of these people . {vocalsound} Um there's also a survey about what they liked about remotes ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: andpretty much they all think they're hideous and not very useful , and the younger demographics are all really interested in voice recognition options . I don't knowif that's something we're ready to look into technically , that's up to the design people , but it is s something worth thinking about , especially since the youngerdemographic's obviously the one that's gonna keep growing , so if that's the direction we're headed in it's something to think about . Um but basically it really isthe primary functions and getting it to look nice , which are the standards . {vocalsound} So it's a good start for us .Project Manager: {vocalsound} That's great .Thank you Sarah . Right . So umMarketing: Need to unplug this ?Project Manager: yep I'll just uh switch that back here .Marketing: Need it back .ProjectManager: I'll finish up with just a bit of discussion plan on for the next phase .Marketing: There you go .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Right so I think we'vecovered most of these important questions through this um {vocalsound} through you guys's presentations um {vocalsound} we've got uh y the IndustrialDesigner suggests uh or pretty much emphatically suggested that we need to go with plastic . {vocalsound} Um Sarah , she's recommended that we go forsimpler functions , so fewer functions um but we need to decide who are we selling this to , you s your stats suggested that seventy five percent of people underthirty five wanted , thought about voice control ,Marketing: Oh right .Project Manager: {vocalsound} um so do we wanna go for that , or do we want to go for anolder demographic , and my thought is {vocalsound} um {vocalsound} we've got w if we're gonna go for a sleek look I mean we are putting the fashion in"}
{"doc_id":"doc_10","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Welcome back .Industrial Designer: I'm sorry to be late .Project Manager: Welcome back everybody .User Interface: Yeah . Thanks .ProjectManager: So this meeting agenda will be the detailed design meeting . And uh opening and uh P_M_s {gap} of the meet minutes , uh prototype presentationfrom uh Christine and uh Agnes .Industrial Designer: Agnes , yes .Project Manager: Yes and uh evaluation criteria . The finance , it's uh from my side , from themanagement , and uh production evaluation . Then uh closing . So we have forty minutes to discuss and uh finalise and close the product and project and tomove further , okay , so {disfmarker} Okay , let's talk about uh maybe first uh for the prototype .User Interface: Mm , okay .Project Manager: So I handle to{disfmarker}User Interface: I've done a presentation , but it pretty much covers work that we've both done , so if I'm missing anything , Christine can justcorrect me .Project Manager: So shall I go to {disfmarker} sorry .Industrial Designer: Uh thank you , so you did a PowerPoint presentation , good for you .{vocalsound}Project Manager: Yep . S Okay , let's go to A_M_I_ .User Interface: {vocalsound} It's not the biggest PowerPoint presentation in the world , but{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} So in two or three or {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: Three . Um . {vocalsound} No it's {disfmarker}Marketing: Probably . Technical pa I would think .User Interface: think it's the lastone . No , then this is {vocalsound} the la yeah , that one , final design .Marketing: Ha .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: It is named appropriately , youjust couldn't see the name .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Um okay , can I have the mouse ?ProjectManager: Yes .User Interface: Thanks . Alright , so from {disfmarker} when we were discussing specifying the case in the last meeting , we decided that wewanted an ergonomic shape , the material that we chose was wood , and uh the colour would be customisable , 'cause you can stain the wood whatever colour .Um , so in terms of function , you have to be able to turn the T_V_ on and off , volume and channel control , menu control , voice recognition control , and we'veincorporated the L_C_D_ screen on the flip panel as part of the design , if we figure out it's too expensive , well then you just take it off . {vocalsound} Um , so{vocalsound} to unveil our lovely product . This is our remote control , with the flip panel as you can see .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: So if you lift upthe panel , you can see the lovely yellow L_C_D_ display . {vocalsound} Um , this is actually hard to do . The yellow button you have is the on off button , so it'sreally big , hard to miss . You have the the red um triangles are the toggles for changing the volume . So up {disfmarker} volume up , down {disfmarker} volumedown . The green are the channel changing . {vocalsound} S And it's one of those very light , very touchable displays . And then you have the numeric pad in thedark blue at the bottom , and on the right-hand side you have the access to the menu on the T_V_ , and on the left-hand side you have the the the ability to turnoff the voice recognition . So this is pretty much what we had on the white board the last time .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: So .IndustrialDesigner: Um and uh I could {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh yes .Industrial Designer: Yeah the dUser Interface: Additional feature on the back isthat you can have your own customised backing and I suppose you could do the same thing on the flip case on the front . So that you can really make this ahighly highly customisable remote control .Industrial Designer: We haven't um uh specified where the speaker or the microphone will be placed . That depends onthe uh s design of the circuit board inside and uh what room is left um {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: I think the microphone is on on thetop , uh on the middle , the {disfmarker} under the flip .Industrial Designer: Yes , okay . Uh-huh .Project Manager: So that will be the safe , so p any{disfmarker} the chip {disfmarker} it's not on the chip because you need to have microphone {gap} to {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: No , I mean it dependson the design of the circuit board .Project Manager: Yes .User Interface: But it shouldn't be under the flip either , because you can have the remote control closed, but you still might want to activate it by voice .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh it's it's {disfmarker} Yeah , but uh uh my opinion I think it's better under theflip because whenever you want to uh the talk , okay , so then you can speak then you can close it . But if you put it on the on the flip , okay , then uh technical Idon't think it's uh feasible , 'cause most of the time you speak then it will be recognised .User Interface: But if you've already got the remote control in your handyou need to open the flip to use the voice , why use the voice , why not just use your hand ? I mean the whole point of the voice is that if the remote control issitting there and I'm too lazy to reach over and pick it up , I can just use my voice .Industrial Designer: Maybe I've got my hand in the popcorn bowl and I'mholding my cup of Coca-Cola in the other hand .User Interface: Yeah . And you don't wanna let go of either one . {vocalsound}Marketing: I don't wanna say .Louder . {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound} I mean it doesn't have to be on the flip , it can be on the side somewhere .Marketing: Can also be onthe side .Project Manager: Yeah , the sides maybe is good .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: So , I mean I can pass thisaround if anyone wants to {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yes . So it's maybe good idea .Industrial Designer: Yeah , y better you pass it around with a napkin .{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} No , because y you can easily put a microphone on the side that would have no problemwould haven't been {disfmarker} not be damaged or anything , and it'd be accessible all the time to voice .User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yeah.Project Manager: Yes . Yeah {vocalsound} .User Interface: Yeah , exactly .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: So it's maybe good idea . S sIndustrial Designer:It's um {disfmarker} It's um {disfmarker}Marketing: Compliments to the artist .Industrial Designer: You need to work on the weight a little bit .{vocalsound}User Interface: Yes .Marketing: Uh {vocalsound} .Project Manager: Okay . S {vocalsound} I'm fine , I'm satisfiUser Interface: And maybe the shapeof the buttons ,Project Manager: I'm satisfied .User Interface: the little egg shapes aren't the most economical , but {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} We're glad you're satisfied .Project Manager: Of course it's it's it's looks more heo heavy , but I think when it's completely {gap} maybe it's a lessweight .User Interface: Yeah . I mean this is plasticene .Project Manager: Yes .User Interface: There's only so much you can do . We could have possibly made ita lot thinner as well . {vocalsound} But {disfmarker} And part of the thing is m a lot of people say that they don't like something that's too light , because theydon't feel like they have enough control over it .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: So I mean maybe this is excessively heavy , but I think it needs tohave some weight ,Project Manager: Yep .User Interface: it needs to feel like you're still holding something . {vocalsound} So that's pretty much it for ourpresentation actually .Project Manager: That's your uh prototype model ?User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay , that's good , thank you very much.Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So any comments or uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Well , the prototype is is very well within the design and ideas thatwe've we've talked about on the previous meetings .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Now it goes into this next phase as the financial uh marketing uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yes , that uh {disfmarker} So I'll come back to the {disfmarker} {gap} So evaluation criteria , I think uh that will begood , so then let's come to the finance uh , I have some uh calculations which I made uh as for uh the budget . So here you can uh look like uh the energy{gap} and uh {gap} dynamo and uh kinetic and solar cells . Uh it's optional , somewhat optional and Ed wants the chip on print , that's what uh we were talkingabout that .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So then we have sample sensor and sample speaker , then uh we have the wood material , thenspecial colour and push button . So it's uh {disfmarker} actually , our budget was uh twelve point five Euro , but uh it's coming to nine point nine five Euro , sowe are under uh {disfmarker} below the budget , okay , so still we are saving some money . I think it's a good figure . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yes ,great I {disfmarker} I'm surprised .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Congratulations . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Than thank you . {vocalsound}Marketing: Well we haven't come to mine yet , so {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Oh , okayUser Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: . It's gonna cost a long way to c you know , cost a lot of money to market it , is it ?Marketing: we're gonna have a bit ofdifference of opinion , yes . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: So maybe it's {disfmarker} for some money we can utilise for our uh marketing , for thesales , okay , and uh {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} Well , it just depends on if we're gonna add a {vocalsound} o on this pr provisionary cost analysis ,we do not have a L_C_ display . L_C_ display is gonna be very expensive ,User Interface: No we do , but it's not filled in .Marketing: it's gonna be{disfmarker}Project Manager: It's not .Industrial Designer: Thirty .Marketing: It's not {disfmarker} it doesn't say .User Interface: It's number thirty .ProjectManager: Yeah . Yeah .Marketing: We don't have the price up there ,User Interface: Oh , yeah , yeah ,Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah .User Interface: you're right ,sorry , yes .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: okay , so if we add approximately two to three Euro per remote , now we're up around about twelve , twelveand a half as to what uh the company had initially uh requested . Um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: So that means we can put the uh {disfmarker} theL_C_D_ in , yeah .Marketing: Display in . But as far as production um I'm putting up a question because we're talking about profit also , and in mine you'll see uh{vocalsound} the problem with uh our survey , the p the possibility that how many units can be sold , what percentage of the market , etcetera etcetera becausethat {gap} has to be taken in into consideration .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Uh this is just production cost , it is not uh advertising cost , it's nottransportation cost uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yes , so still uh we have twelve point five Euro .Marketing: {vocalsound} And that will inflate quite a bit thecost of the uh {disfmarker} the cost of the unit for the company .Project Manager: Yes . {gap} Yeah , but {disfmarker} Yes . Yep .User Interface: Um-hmm"}
{"doc_id":"doc_11","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Well hi everyone again .User Interface: Hello .Industrial Designer: Hello .Marketing: HelloProject Manager: Um {vocalsound} like before we uh{disfmarker} I have to redo the meetings from {vocalsound} {disfmarker} n th the minutes from the last meetingMarketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: and sohere we go . Uh it was discussed in the last meeting uh which was opened by the presentation from the interface um designer {vocalsound} that uh looks wouldbe very important on this new remoteUser Interface: Designer . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: and um it is to send messages of courseto the T_V_ . It should have nine channel buttons , a next button , volume buttons , subtitle buttons , switch to control features , colour contrast , sharpnessetcetera . It should have a memory switch , a mute button in case the telephone rings or something . Uh speech recognition is one of her very f favourite personaluh features she would like see d d to be integrated in this um in this new remote . Um . {vocalsound} Should be child friendly design with few buttons , colourfulmaybe with s star shaped or other shaped buttons . Um she uh presented also an oversized remote which she guarantees nobody will ever be able to lose .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um {disfmarker}Marketing: And she was challenged on that point {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} that'sright . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Yes . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: But uh her very f personal favouritereally she , she would very much like to see a speech recogniser integrated in this remote . The industrial designer um presented her uh {vocalsound} thoughtson the issue . She would like a special case made out of plastic that is very strong , not using any harmful materials , should be recyclable and should be colourful. Should have an integrated circuit board that's highly sophisticated and temperature resistant . She would like to see a timer and or alarm facility integrated . Uhtechnically this thing would also have a resistor and a capacitor , diode transistor , resonator , and if possible a rechargeable battery . Uh and of course a circuitboard . And how it would works , you press the button , the chip is morse {disfmarker} morse code related relays the {disfmarker} uh to the generat to thegenerator amplification and uh the circuit board is very inexpensive to build and so she thinks this is a great feature uh to to to consider .Marketing: Okay .ProjectManager: She would like uh {disfmarker} this whole thing should be push buttons with a simple chip uh scrolling method is more expensive and not that practicalanymore . Should be battery operated and of course she would have the special cases . The marketing expert uh who has to finally come up with {disfmarker} toto to market this product has been watching the competition , has done some research on the internet and also has used h her personal observations to come upwith the fact that such a remote sh should be small , easy to use and it should be eye catching . From her point of view of course one of the most important factsis that we should get to market before our competition does . To do that uh maybe one or two features should be developed on which we could dwell on or inother words on which our campaign could be built on . Too many new features or too many points would only confuse matter . So we prefer to have one or twofeatures that can be really uh driven home . Um it should have a fruit and vegetable design and should have a soft feel . She feels that's really what people wanttoday . And the decision that we took last time was that uh the special feature we would like to see is a speech recogniser , the energy should be battery uhshould be on a chip , should be trendy design , compact and strong , and should have buttons . And that concludes the presentation from the last minutes{disfmarker} from the last meeting . Now uh we are ready for the presentation of the prototype .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface:Just the look like , the button part I'll explain .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Uh so this is our {disfmarker} what uh we have made . This is a model of the remotecontrol which we are going to build .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Uh this is us in a snail shape so uh it it is attractiveMarketing: Mm-hmm.Industrial Designer: um and it's {disfmarker} it's blue in colour uh bright and uh it has yellow buttons and all the different colour buttonsMarketing: Mm-hmm.Industrial Designer: so it is a {disfmarker} uh uh a {disfmarker} looks-wise it is beautiful .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Uh and also compact inshape .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Uh um and also i it it will be easily fit into {disfmarker} into the hands and you can access all the buttons easily.Marketing: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Good .Industrial Designer: Yeah ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: oops , sorry .{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} You used to have all the buttons {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Um yeahand um uh the material which we are going to use for the case is uh plastic and uh w which which is s strong um uh and also uh for the {disfmarker} Um thematerial is plastic and uh for the buttons it is uh s soft rubber um and alsMarketing: Oh that's good ,Industrial Designer: yeah .Marketing: no , that's nice andfriendly .Industrial Designer: Yeah because uh uh you'll be touching the buttons more so it is soft when you touch it .Marketing: Mm-hmm . Mm .Project Manager:Mm-hmm ,Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: And then um uh for the {disfmarker} for the led , for the light emitting diode itis a fluorescent greenMarketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: and it's a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} it is a bulb like an ordinary infrared .Marketing: Mm-hmm.Industrial Designer: And {disfmarker} and the button {disfmarker} button's part uh will be explained by F Francina .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: Okay .UserInterface: Now the um {disfmarker} we decided upon including certain features on our remote . Now these features includes the s um signal emitting uh signal{disfmarker} it's the led or L_E_D_ the infrared .Project Manager: Mm-hmm ,Marketing: Yeah , okay , mm-hmm .Project Manager: mm-hmm .User Interface:Now uh we have included the switch on and off button .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Now we have included another feature that is the mutebuttonMarketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: on the side of the model . Then we have included one to nine buttonsMarketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: forcontrolling the programmes {disfmarker} the different channels .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: We have also included two buttons for increasing ordecreasing the volume .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: And we have also included two buttons for scrolling up and scrolling down the programme channels. Now our {disfmarker} our model also contains a button which is called as the menu button .Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: What kind of button ?UserInterface: Menu button .Project Manager: Menu ? Uh menu th menu , uh one one .User Interface: Yes , menu {disfmarker}Marketing: Menu button .{vocalsound}User Interface: At the centreMarketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: we have included a button which is fluorescent green colour and this is the menubutton which will control the colour , sharpness , brightnessMarketing: Mm-hmm . Of the screen . Mm , mm-hmm .User Interface: of this uh picture . We havealso included a button which is called as the swapping button . Now this is uh a special , special feature which we have included . Now this button is an elongatedshaped button and this is slightly flexible so if it is turned towards the right it will take to the previous channel , if it is turned towards the right it will take to thenext channel . It will take the user to the previous and the next channel so this is a swapping button .Marketing: The next channel in the numeric pattern , or{disfmarker}User Interface: No , swapping is if if example you're {disfmarker} you're watching the second channel and then you go to the tenth channel and ifyou want to go back to the second channel you can swap , this button .Marketing: Yeah , mm-hmm . Mm .User Interface: Yes .Marketing: Okay , okay .UserInterface: And at the end , it {disfmarker} this remote has inbuilt voice recogniser which c which will recognise the user's voice and then it'll act accordingly.Project Manager: Okay . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .User Interface: So this is our proposed model .Marketing: Okay .User Interface: Now the marketing expert hastoMarketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Tell , yeah .User Interface: give her suggestion whether it'll be sellable {vocalsound} or it'll be cost effective.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay , well um what {disfmarker} what I really like a lot about it is that you can reach the wholething with one thumb ,User Interface: Yes , yes .Marketing: that you can really hold it in one h you don't need two handsIndustrial Designer: Mm-hmm.Marketing: and it's easily reachable even for somebody with a small hand , yeah ?Project Manager: Yes the buttons are all raised , right ?Marketing: The buttonsare all raisedProject Manager: Are raised , mm-hmm .User Interface: Yes .Marketing: and if you hold it in the centre of your hand you can even reach it over hereso you don't have to turn it around , turn it upside down , move it up , up and down ,Project Manager: Right . Or have two hands to operate it , yeah .Marketing: Ireally like that .User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: You really did a good job on that , my little designers .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Um and um I like the idea that the on-off button is in a really prominent place . That'sthat's a really good good thing .Project Manager: Yes , and it sort of sticks up so that you really {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah , that's great .Project Manager: youdon't have to g first go like oh yeah here it's on and yeah , mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Hmm . Mm-hmm .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Abs okay.Marketing: The colour's very attractive . Um the um these buttons uh around here are the muteUser Interface: No , these {disfmarker} the front buttons whichare here , are the mute buttons .Marketing: and {disfmarker} these {disfmarker} mm-hmm On both sides they're mute ?User Interface: Yes , yes .Marketing: Soyou can push either one ?User Interface: Yes .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: So if you're left-handed or right-handed it doesn't matter .Marketing: And thisbrings the menu up on the screen ?User Interface: {vocalsound} Pardon me ? This is the menu {disfmarker} yes , yes .Marketing: This brings the menu up onthe screen and the orange ones are {disfmarker}User Interface: A the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} these {disfmarker} these two are th to increase ordecrease the volumes ,Marketing: Okay .User Interface: and these two are to uh scroll the programme channels .Marketing: F f okay .User Interface: Scroll up orscroll down the channels .Marketing: Right , very good . Uh it looks mm looks like something I can sell .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:"}
{"doc_id":"doc_12","qid":"","text":"Industrial Designer: Now what .Project Manager: 'Kay , hello everybody . Uh , I guess you all know what is it about , you all received the email , I guess . Uh , weare actually doing this meeting to start a new project which is about designing a remote control . So I'm going to be the project manager of this uh project . Anduh so I'm {disfmarker} present myself . I'm Fabien Cardinaux and uh I I guess you can present yourself . So I dunno , you can starts .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay , so my name is Petre {gap} . You can call me Petre {gap} , or Peter if you like . I don't care {gap} .Project Manager:Okay .Marketing: Uh my name's Bob Mor .Project Manager: And you are ? In the project ?Industrial Designer: Uh , in the project I'm supposed to be the technic.Marketing: Oh , sorry .Project Manager: {gap}Marketing: 'Kay . So my name's Bob Morris . I'm the Marketing Expert for this project .Industrial Designer: Bob,Marketing: Bob yeah .Industrial Designer: okay .User Interface: My name is Hamed Getabdar , and uh I'm going to be Interface Designer in this project.Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: So , uh , so today we are doing a short meeting to present the project , so um We are gooding we are going topresent the tool we are {vocalsound} we are going to use during all this project . We are talking about the project plan , and we are going to to discuss about stour first ideas and so on , and , yeah . So we have around twenty five minutes to do this meeting . Um . So what is the goal of this project ? Is to design a newremote control . So it should be , of course , new and original , and um it should be trendy , and user friendly . That mean it's a very challenging project , and uhuh . So w it's {disfmarker} we will try to do our best , and hopefully come with something very new and that people want to buy . So , um {disfmarker} Sowhat's uh what are we going to do during this all this project ? So it's more like we are going to do inv individual work all in o in o our specialities and we aregoing to meet each other quite often to discuss and to find a good way . Um . Yeah and everything is {disfmarker} will be like this . Um so now we are going to toget used t to to the tools we are going to use all {disfmarker} during all this project . So we can try to use uh the whiteboard here . So {gap} uh .IndustrialDesigner: Okay .Project Manager: For example we can try to write what is our our favourite animal and write the f our favourite characteristics about it . Mm . Uh{vocalsound} . So uh {disfmarker} {gap} So I will ask you all to do the same .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: Just to get used to the whiteboard.Industrial Designer: So probably I would try to try to draw the animal . Well sh should I draw the picture of the animal ?Project Manager: Yeah , yeah , you candraw the picture , of course {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: I I th I think I should .Marketing: Yeah go ahead .Industrial Designer: Okay , so . Um{vocalsound} . Okay , American , um . Um . I would use the bird . So I tried to sketch it out . I had to first uh write it down because I am not absolutely sure if Ican draw it , but ah . Can you recognise it {vocalsound} as a bird ?Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay{vocalsound} it's your turn to {disfmarker}Marketing: Okay , okay . {vocalsound} So I think my favourite animal would be a c a cat .Project Manager: Oh.Marketing: That's its head .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Um I probably like cats the most because they're cuddly andfurry and uh playful .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {gap}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay .User Interface: I dunno if I shouldgo with this {gap} {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: Oh it's okay .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Thanks . {vocalsound}User Interface: If it isenough line .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Maybe put it upUser Interface: {vocalsound} I'm sorry .{vocalsound}Marketing: {disfmarker} Put it a Maybe put it on the desk or something .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: I should get used to the tool , so .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Oh just wait {gap} alittle bit . C could we put it here , to make it as straight as possible ?User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Ah probably not .User Interface: {vocalsound} They should be remote .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay , it{disfmarker} it works like this .Marketing: Uh , that's better .User Interface: Okay , thanks .Marketing: Your lapel microphone's fallen off .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Are you left-handed ?User Interface: No .Industrial Designer: Oh , pity {vocalsound} .User Interface: Okay . Should I clean ?{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Okay , I think like horses uh because they are strong and beautiful , so if I want to write ithere , I think I can . {vocalsound} Oh {vocalsound} .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Never mind . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Ah , it's maybebetter if you leave it .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah . Maybe we should just continue .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah , don't worry about it .{vocalsound}User Interface: {gap}Project Manager: {gap} , no worry .Marketing: No .Industrial Designer: {gap}User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Youwon't draw them , or ?Project Manager: You can draw it , if you want . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: I dunno if I can .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Just try . I would like to see how it looks like .User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound} It may be like a cow or I dunno , whatever .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} I'mnot good very good in drawing . Okay , so this is very {vocalsound} {disfmarker} It's a bird , I think . I dunno what is it . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: No , Ithink it's clear .User Interface: {vocalsound} Four . Okay . Mm-hmm . Mm . Yeah . I'm shameful {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} Oh that's good , it's good .Industrial Designer: It's okay . It's in it's indeed beautiful .Project Manager: Good .Marketing: Yeah , and strong .{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound} Okay .Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Bob . Have to remember it . Bob .Project Manager: So good um{disfmarker} So , let's talk about money . Uh we are going to to sell {disfmarker} we want to sell uh this remote control for twenty five Euro Euro . And uh ourexpected profit will be around fifty million Euro . And uh we are trying to to have a market all around the world . So {gap} n not only for Switzerland , but for theworld . Uh . So , um . The {disfmarker} We expect a production cost of maximum uh twelve point fifty Euro .Industrial Designer: Per unit , I guess .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Yeah , of course .Industrial Designer: Y oh okay .Project Manager: Um , so we can start today to have a first idea of what we want to dowhat are our experiments with remote control , and any idea ? So , if you have some experience , good or bad , with remote controls you can share it and saywhat you f what is your idea . Anything .Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing: Well , from experience , um I've had remote controls in the past that have hadvery {disfmarker} they've had lots and lots of buttons and they've been very small , and it's been very hard to to to use , because there's so many buttons , andyou know it's very hard to see which buttons do what , and the buttons are very small and very hard to press . Um and and normally you only every use , youknow , on a T_V_ remote you only ever use , mostly , you know , f four or f six buttons . Um .Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: Oh .Marketing: So it'sfrustrated me in the past , th that .Industrial Designer: Okay , I have also some points uh . Maybe two points . Uh first would be that in current remote controlsthere is no back light {vocalsound} , so if you are if you are uh playing with this in the dark room it's it's probably worth to to have something like uh back light.Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: And maybe it could be also dependant on the the amount of of light in the room , so that if if it's in the day it doesn'tneed to be back lighted because it works on the battery , so . So something like this . And the second thing , f second point from me would be that in a normalremote control there is uh {disfmarker} there are two buttons for volume control .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: But I prefer like a potential-meteror something like .Marketing: Ah , okay . Okay .Industrial Designer: You know , some slider or {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Not justtwo discrete buttons for volume ,User Interface: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Okay , n {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: but something which {disfmarker}ProjectManager: Mm-hmm . Yeah .Marketing: Is that because the {disfmarker} of the discrete volume levels , or is thatIndustrial Designer: Yeah , but I can reach{disfmarker} In uh one second I can mute it down , or or make a high volume .Project Manager: {gap} Are you not afraid that if you take your remote controlyou can move the slide and it could {gap} {disfmarker} the the volume can go up very quicklyMarketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Ah , n .Project Manager: andit can {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: If it drops to the floor then it starts to scream {gap} .Project Manager: Yeah , also if y when you take the the remotecontrol , for example on the table , you take it and you push the button and everything is very loud , andIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah , f It dependswhat what you feel about that .Project Manager: you have a heart attack {vocalsound} . Okay .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah but we can we canthink of these things afterwards , but if {gap} you have some more notes on that .Project Manager: Yeah so you can {disfmarker}User Interface: Uh I{disfmarker} Yeah ,Project Manager: Do you have something ?User Interface: just a simple experience . I uh I prefer um remote control working with radiowaves , because remote control working with infra-red rays you should you should you should keep it in a specific direction and then try it hard to tune {gap}.Project Manager: Yeah , that's true . Yeah without obstacles and {gap} .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: Okay . Let's continue .Industrial Designer:Um .Project Manager: I have a meeting in five minutes , so maybe we should hurry .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Um . So we will close uh this meeting.Industrial Designer: Okay , just a second . {gap}Project Manager: So we will have a next meeting in uh thirty minutes .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Um . Uh . The {disfmarker} So I will ask you to do some work . Uh the the interface interface developer will work on the on the design of the remote"}
{"doc_id":"doc_13","qid":"","text":"PhD E: Yeah .Professor B: Um , so . If we can't , we can't . But uh we 're gonna try to make this an abbreviated meeting cuz the {disfmarker} the next{disfmarker} next occupants were pushing for it , so . Um . So . Agenda is {disfmarker} according to this , is transcription status , DARPA demos XML tools ,disks , backups , et cetera andGrad H: Does anyone have anything to {pause} add to the agenda ?Professor B: OK . Should we just go in order ? Transcriptionstatus ? Who 's {disfmarker} that 's probably you .Postdoc A: I can do that quickly . Um I hired several more transcribers , They 're making great progress.Professor B: Seven ?Postdoc A: Seve - several , several .Professor B: Oh .Postdoc A: And uh {disfmarker} and uh , uh I 've been uh finishing up the uh doublechecking . I hoped to have had that done by today but it 's gonna take one more week .Grad H: UmPhD D: I gGrad H: as a somewhat segue into the next topic ,um could I get a hold of uh the data even if it 's not really corrected yet just so I can get the data formats and make sure the information retrieval stuff is working?Postdoc A: Certainly . Yeah I mean , it 's in the same place it 's been .Grad H: So can you just {disfmarker} Oh , it is .Postdoc A: Uh - huh . No change .Grad H:OK . Just {disfmarker} So , \" transcripts \" is the sub - directory ?Postdoc A: Uh {disfmarker} Yes . Uh - huh .Grad H: OK . So I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll probably justmake some copies of those rather than use the ones that are there .Postdoc A: OK .Grad H: Um and then just {disfmarker} we 'll have to remember to deletethem once the corrections are made .Postdoc A: OK .Professor B: OK , whPhD D: I also got anot a short remark to the transcription . I 've uh just processed thefirst five EDU meetings and they are chunked up so they would {disfmarker} they probably can be sent to IBM whenever they want them .Grad C: Cool .PhD F:Well the second one of thosePhD D: Yep . It 's already at IBM ,PhD F: is already at IBM .PhD D: but the other ones {disfmarker}PhD F: That 's the one that{pause} we 're waiting to hear from them on .PhD D: Yeah . Yeah .Postdoc A: OK .PhD F: Yeah .Postdoc A: These are separate from the ones that{disfmarker}PhD F: As soon as {disfmarker}Postdoc A: I mean , these are {disfmarker}PhD F: They 're the IBM set .PhD D: Yep .Grad H: It 's this one .PostdocA: Excellent . Good .PhD F: Yeah . And so as soon as we hear from Brian that this one is OKGrad H: Is my mike on ? Yeah .PhD F: and we get the transcript backand we find out that hopefully there are no problems matching up the transcript with what we gave them , then uh we 'll be ready to go and we 'll just send themthe next four as a big batch ,Postdoc A: Excellent .PhD F: and let them work on that .Grad H: And so we 're doing those as disjoint from the ones we 'retranscribing here ?PhD F: Yes , exactly .Grad H: OK , good .PhD F: We 're sort of doing things in parallel , that way we can get as much done a at once .Grad H:Yeah , I think that 's the right way to do it ,PhD F: Yeah .Grad H: especially for the information retrieval stuff . Anything else on transcription status ?Postdoc A:Hm - mmm .Grad H: OK .Professor B: DARPA demos , we had the submeeting the other day .Grad H: Right , which uh {disfmarker} So I 've been working onusing the THISL tools to do information retrieval on meeting data and the THISL tools are {disfmarker} there 're two sets , there 's a back - end and a front - end, so the front - end is the user interface and the back - end is the indexing tool and the querying tool . And so I 've written some tools to convert everything intothe right for file formats . And the command line version of the indexing and the querying is now working . So at least on the one meeting that I had thetranscript for uh conveniently you can now do information retrieval on it , do {disfmarker} type in a {disfmarker} a string and get back a list of start - end timesfor the meeting ,PhD F: What {disfmarker} what kind of uh {disfmarker} what does that look like ? The string that you type in .Grad H: uh of hits .PhD F: Whatare you {disfmarker} are you {disfmarker} are they keywords , or are they {disfmarker} ?Grad H: Keywords .PhD F: OK . I see .Grad H: Right ? And so{disfmarker} and then it munges it to pass it to the THISL IR which uses an SGML - like format for everything .PhD F: I see .Professor B: And then does it playsomething back or that 's something you 're having to program ?Grad H: Um , right now , I have a tool that will do that on a command line using our standardtools ,Professor B: Yeah .Grad H: but my intention is to do a prettier user interface based either {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} so that 's the other thing I wantedto discuss , is well what should we do for the user interface ? We have two tools that have already been written . Um the SoftSound guys did a web - based one,Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad H: um , which I haven't used , haven't looked at . Dan says it 's pretty goodProfessor B: Mm - hmm .Grad H: but it does mean youneed to be running a web server .Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad H: And so it {disfmarker} it 's pretty big and complex . Uh and it would be difficult to port toWindows because it means porting the web server to Windows .Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad H: Uh the other option is Dan did the Tcl - TK THISL GUI front - endfor Broadcast NewsProfessor B: Yeah .Grad H: which I think looks great . I think that 's a nice demo . Um and that would be much easier to port to Windows . Andso I think that 's the way we should go .Postdoc A: I {disfmarker} Can I ask a question ? So um as it stands within the {disfmarker} the Channeltrans interface ,it 's possible to do a find and a play .Grad H: Mm - hmm .Postdoc A: You can find a searched string and play . So e Are you {disfmarker} So you 're adding likeum , I don't know , uh are they fuzzy matches or are they {pause} uh {disfmarker} ?Grad H: It 's a sort of standard , text - retrieval - based {disfmarker} So it's uh term frequency , inverse document frequency scoring .Postdoc A: OK .Grad H: Um and then there are all sorts of metrics for spacing how far apart theyhave to be and things like that . So it {disfmarker} it 'sPostdoc A: It 's a lot more sophisticated than the uh the basically Windows - based {disfmarker}Grad H: iit 's like doing a Google query or anyth anything else like that .Postdoc A: OK .Grad H: So i it uses {disfmarker} So it pr produces an index ahead of time so youdon't {disfmarker} you 're not doing a linear search through all the documents . Cuz you can imagine if {disfmarker} with {disfmarker} if we have the sixty hours' worth you do {disfmarker} wouldn't wanna do a search .Postdoc A: Hm - mmm . Good .Grad H: Um you have to do preindexing and so that {disfmarker} thesetools do all that . And so the work to get the front - end to work would be porting it {disfmarker} well {disfmarker} uh to get it to work on the UNIX systems , ourside is just rewriting them and modifying them to work for meetings .Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad H: So that it understands that they 're different speakers andthat it 's one big audio file instead of a bunch of little ones and just sorta things like that .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD G: Mm - hmm .PhD F: So what does theuser see as the result of the query ?Grad H: On which tool ?PhD F: THISL .Grad H: The THISL GUI tool which is the one that Dan wrote , Tcl - TKPhD F: Yeah.Grad H: um you type in a query and then you get back a list of hits and you can type on them and listen to them . Click on them rather {comment} with a mouse.PhD F: Ah .Professor B: MmmPhD F: So if you typed in \" small heads \" or something you couldGrad H: Right , you 'd get {disfmarker}PhD F: get back a uh uh{comment} something that would let you click and listen to some audio where that phrase had occurredGrad H: something {disfmarker} You {disfmarker} you 'dget to listen to \" beep \" .PhD F: or someProfessor B: That was a really good look . It 's too bad that that couldn't {vocalsound} come into the {disfmarker}GradH: You couldn't get a video .PhD G: Guess who I practice on ?Postdoc A: At some point we 're gonna have to say what that private joke is , that keeps coming up.Professor B: Yeah . And then again , maybe not . So , {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker} Yeah , that soun that sounds reasonable . Yeah , it loo it {disfmarker} my{disfmarker} my recollection of it is it 's {disfmarker} it 's a pretty reasonable uh demo sort of format .Grad H: Right .PhD F: Yeah that sounds good .Grad H:And so I think there 'd be minimal effort to get it to work , minimallyPhD F: That sounds really neat .Grad H: and then we 'd wanna add things like query byspeaker and by meeting and all that sort of stuff . Um Dave Gelbart expressed some interest in working on that so I 'll work with him on it . And it {disfmarker} it's looking pretty good , you know , the fact that I got the query system working . So if we wanna just do a video - based one I think that 'll be easy .Professor B:Mm - hmm .Grad H: If we wanna get it to Windows it 's gonna be a little more work because the THISL IR , the information retrieval tool 's {disfmarker} um , Ihad difficulty just compiling them on Solaris .Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad H: So getting them to compile on Windows might be challenging .Professor B: Mm -hmm .PhD F: But you were saying that {disfmarker} that the uh {disfmarker} that there 's that set of tools , uh , Cygnus tools , that {disfmarker}Grad H: So . Itcertainly helps .PhD F: Uh - huh .Grad H: Um , I mean without those I wouldn't even attempt it .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD F: Yeah .Grad H: But what those{disfmarker} they {disfmarker} what those do is provide sort of a BSD compatibility layer ,Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad H: so that the normal UNIX functioncalls all work .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD F: And you have to have all the oGrad H: Um , But the problem is that {disfmarker} that the THISL tools didn't useanything like Autoconf and so you have the normal porting problems of different header files and th some things are defined and some things aren't and uhdifferent compiler work - arounds and so on . So the fact that um it took me a day to get it c to compile under Solaris means it 's probably gonna take me ssignificantly more than that to get it to compile under Windows .Professor B: How about having it run under free BSD ?PhD E: Well what you need{disfmarker}Grad H: Free BSD would probably be easier .PhD E: All you need to do is say to Dan \" gee it would be nice if this worked under Autoconf \" and it 'llbe done in a day .Grad H: That 's true .PhD D: Uh {disfmarker}PhD E: Right ?Grad H: Actually you know I should check because he did port it to SPRACHcorePhDE: Right .Grad H: so he might have done that already .PhD E: I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I wouldn't be surprised .Professor B: So {disfmarker}Grad H: I 'llcheck at that {disfmarker}Professor B: But it would {disfmarker} what would serve {disfmarker} would serve both purposes , is if you contact him and ask him ifhe 's already done it .PhD E: What I {disfmarker}PhD F: How does it play ?Grad H: Yeah , right .Professor B: If he has then you learn , if he hasn't then he 'll do it.Grad H: Right .Postdoc A: Wow .PhD F: I hope he never listens to these meetings .Grad H: That 's right . So , and I 've been corresponding with Dan and alsowith uh uh , SoftSound guy , uh {disfmarker}Postdoc A: It 's amazing .Professor B: Yeah .Grad H: Blanking on his name .Professor B: Tony Robinson ?PhD F:"}
{"doc_id":"doc_14","qid":"","text":"Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and Education Committee this morning. We've received no apologies forabsence. Can I ask if there are any declarations of interest from Members, please? No. Okay, thank you. Item 2 this morning is the Children (Abolition of Defenceof Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill: Stage 2 proceedings. I'm pleased to welcome Julie Morgan AM, Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services; KarenCornish, deputy director, children and families division at Welsh Government; and Emma Gammon, lawyer for Welsh Government. Thank you for attending thismorning and welcome to the committee. I'm just going to run through the procedures that we're going to follow now. As I said, the purpose of the meeting is toundertake Stage 2 proceedings on the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill. For these proceedings, Members should have copiesof the marshalled list of amendments, the groupings of the amendments for debate and the voting order for the amendments. The marshalled list of amendmentsis the list of all amendments tabled, marshalled into the order in which the sections appear in the Bill. The order in which we consider amendments will be thedefault order—that is, sections 1 to 3 and the long title. You will see from the groupings list that amendments have been grouped to facilitate debate. However,the order in which they're called and moved for decision is dictated by the marshalled list. Members will, therefore, need to follow the two papers, although I willadvise Members when I call them whether they're being called to speak in the debate or to move their amendments for a decision. There will be one debate oneach group of amendments. Members who wish to speak in a particular group should indicate to me in the usual way. I will call the Deputy Minister to speak oneach group. For the record, in accordance with the convention agreed by the Business Committee, as Chair I will move amendments in the name of the DeputyMinister. For expediency, I will assume that the Deputy Minister wishes me to move all of her amendments, and I will do so at the appropriate place in themarshalled list. Deputy Minister, if you do not want a particular amendment to be moved, please indicate to me at the relevant point in proceedings. In line withour usual practice, legal advisers to the committee and the Deputy Minister are not expected to provide advice on the record. If Members wish to seek legaladvice during proceedings, please do so by passing a note to the legal adviser and, if necessary, we can adjourn. My intention is to try to dispose of allamendments during today's meeting. I will call a short break in proceedings at an appropriate time, if necessary. Okay, thank you. So, we will proceed, then, togroup 1, which is the duty to promote public awareness. The lead amendment in the group is amendment 1 in the name of the Deputy Minister. I moveamendment 1 in the Deputy Minister's name and call on the Deputy Minister to speak to her amendment and the other amendments in this group.Julie MorganAM: Thank you very much, Chair. My amendments 1 and 4 will place a duty on Welsh Ministers to provide information and increase awareness about the changein the law to ensure that the public are made aware of how the law will change as a result of the defence of reasonable punishment being abolished and thatphysical punishment would be prohibited once the Act commences. I tabled these amendments in response to this committee's recommendation—this was arecommendation from this committee in the Stage 1 report, so I have responded to that. I've already made a commitment to a high-intensity awareness-raisingcampaign over approximately six years from Royal Assent, should the Bill be passed. I've considered amendments 1A to 1E, which have been tabled by JanetFinch-Saunders, and which relate to the duty to raise awareness. Amendment 1A introduces a reference to public understanding. We don't think, actually, thatthis adds anything to the Government amendment, which already mentions awareness. It makes the awareness-raising duty open-ended with no time limit,which is not necessary. By commencement, messaging around the change in the law will be embedded. The awareness-raising campaign will continue for anumber of years. Therefore, an ongoing duty referring specifically to the law change would not be required. I understand, of course, that the awareness-raisingcampaign needs to be comprehensive, well planned and to reach out to all those people and all those communities who need to be aware of the law change, andunderstand how to respond to it. But I don't think it's helpful or necessary to highlight specific groups, such as visitors to Wales, on the face of the Bill—that's theapproach taken in amendment 1E—as it risks placing too much emphasis on certain groups at the expense of others. In relation to children, the committee willknow that I'm fully committed to children’s rights, and that Welsh Ministers are already under a duty to have due regard to the rights of children whenever theyexercise their functions. An additional due regard requirement, such as the one set out in amendment 1D, relating specifically to the need to promote awarenessamong children is not needed. This would be part and parcel of the Welsh Government approach to putting children’s rights at the heart of our policy making.Similarly, I don't think it's necessary for the Bill to set out specifically the topics that need to be covered in the awareness-raising campaign, as is suggested inamendments 1B and 1C. That level of detail, I don't think, is for the face of the Bill. Information required about parenting support will be considered by theparenting expert group, under the auspices of the Bill’s strategic implementation group, working with my officials and the expert stakeholder group on theawareness-raising campaign. And, really, their thinking should not be constrained in any way by specifications on the face of the Bill. I think we always need tobear in mind that what the Bill does is remove a defence to an existing criminal offence; it does not create a new offence. And in this context, it doesn't makesense for this Bill to contain a provision requiring the provision of information about how a person may raise concerns if it appears to them that a child is beingphysically punished. As I set out in my letter to this committee responding to recommendation 15 on this point, safeguarding is everyone’s business, and, as now,the public have a role in highlighting to relevant services if they are concerned about a child. I'm asking for the support of Members for amendments 1 and 4, andI ask Members to reject amendments 1A to 1E because this would place unnecessary provisions on the face of the Bill.Lynne Neagle AM: Thank you, DeputyMinister. Are there other Members who wish to speak? Janet Finch-Saunders.Janet Finch-Saunders AM: Thank you, Chair. I wish to speak to amendments 1A to1E, which relate to the Deputy Minister's amendment on the duty to promote public awareness. While we believe it is absolutely imperative that the public aremade aware of this controversial change in the law, the Deputy Minister's amendment lacks a number of key points that the committee were actually keen toaddress at Stage 1. An important thread runs throughout each and every amendment that I've tabled within this group—that of a sustained awareness campaign,which not only stretches beyond the implementation of the Bill, but serves as a duty for future administrations. Amendment 1A: primarily, amendment 1Achanges amendment 1 to include the promotion of understanding changes to the law. I don't think it's enough for the Welsh Government to say that the publicshould be made aware of the coming into force of section 1 and that a public awareness campaign needs to be sustained until the Welsh Government's objectiveshave been achieved. Despite the fact that it is intended to change behaviour, the consequences of this law are far greater than that of organ donation orprohibiting smoking indoors. Instead of an opt-out system or a civil offence, this law will remove a defence for parents, information on which could be there ontheir records for the rest of their lives, potentially separate parents, and could affect employment chances. As such, whilst we agree with the necessity of theawareness campaign, it is important too that the Welsh Government take stock and ensures that parents are not penalised due to a weak awareness campaign.The witnesses we heard before this committee also noted the necessity of ensuring that the public understands—Lynne Neagle AM: Janet, Dawn is asking if you'lltake an intervention.Janet Finch-Saunders AM: Yes.Dawn Bowden AM: I just wanted to know—could you give us examples of any other piece of legislation wherethere's been indefinite public awareness campaigns once it's been passed?Janet Finch-Saunders AM: There's a lot of legislation. The first Assembly term when Iwas here—Dawn Bowden AM: Yes, what I'm asking—Janet Finch-Saunders AM: I'm trying to respond—Dawn Bowden AM: What I'm asking for is: can you give usspecific examples of where there have been indefinite public awareness campaigns running indefinitely past the enactment of a piece of legislation?JanetFinch-Saunders AM: The very first term that I was an Assembly Member, we passed 25 pieces of separate legislation. Even today, as I sit here, the public are notaware of many of those pieces of legislation. This particular piece of legislation will have a profound effect on the parenting of children in Wales. So, therefore, Ithink there is a necessity for both children and parents to become involved, and I shall speak now—Dawn Bowden AM: With respect, Chair, that's not the questionI asked.Janet Finch-Saunders AM: —to my amendments.Lynne Neagle AM: I can call you in the debate, if you'd like to make a more substantive contribution onthis. Yes.Janet Finch-Saunders AM: The witnesses who we heard from before this committee also noted the necessity of ensuring that the public understands theimplications. And that's what we're talking about here, Members—the implications of removing this defence. Strikingly, the Office of Police and CrimeCommissioner for Gwent stated the following: 'the potential for public resistance to the Bill through misunderstanding or confusion over it implications may posethe largest barrier to its implementation.' If you are intent on removing the defence of reasonable punishment, it is therefore not unreasonable to ensure thatlaw-abiding parents fully understand the ramifications of this Bill. Additionally, the committee found that while the current Welsh Government's intention todeliver a public awareness campaign was beyond doubt, future Governments may have less of a commitment. This places further weight on the fact that theWelsh Government should be under a duty to promote awareness and understanding of the Bill beyond its commencement. Furthermore, the Children (EqualProtection from Assault) (Scotland) Bill quite clearly notes that, under section 2, the Scottish Ministers must take such steps as they consider appropriate topromote public awareness and understanding about the effect of section 1 on the abolition for the defence of reasonable punishment. Therefore, I would be"}
{"doc_id":"doc_15","qid":"","text":"Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay . Oh I totally {disfmarker} Yeah 'cause I moved it . {vocalsound} 'S put it over here . Then we don't have to worry about it .UserInterface: {vocalsound} Ready for this ?Project Manager: All set ? Cool . Alright , it is PowerPoint time . I've done more PowerPoints in this particular experimentthan I've ever done in my life before this experiment {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah {vocalsound} .Project Manager: which is kind of fun.User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh man . {vocalsound}Project Manager: So uh here we have our detailed design meeting where we will um look at the prototypeand um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} right so um , I finally figured out what this whole second bullet point is about in my {disfmarker} that my coach was sendingto me . It means I'm supposed to read the minutes from the previous meeting .Industrial Designer: Oh really ?Project Manager: I think . {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Okay .Marketing: Huh .Project Manager: I don't know . Otherwise it's just saying I'm the secretaryMarketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}ProjectManager: and I'm {disfmarker} therefore I'm taking the minutes , s so just to go um {vocalsound} just real briefly to go over minutes from last meeting , uh , Iwill open them slowly , no ? Wait for it , wait for it . {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah that's not you . {vocalsound}Project Manager: No . That's how the{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Wait .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: This is , this is veryhigh-powered stuff here , double-clicking , there we go . So um basically the moral of the story from our last minute uh {disfmarker} last meeting was that{vocalsound} um we that we had meetings from {disfmarker} uh we had presentations done by the Industrial Designer , uh or from Nathan , and Ron and fromSarah about what we can do here um and what sort of limitations we're operating with um {disfmarker} uh excuse me what limitations we're operating under ,what kind of risk we'd be looking at with some of the various approaches we were discussing and we essentially came to the conclusion that we should develop aremote with uh voice recognition , I_E_ that had a vaguely non-remote like shape um because you didn't really need to use it as a remote since you could justuse your voice . That would include some {disfmarker} mostly just the simple design features for a television operation but with a slide or a fold-out bay for moreadvanced functions for users . Um , and uh the uh uh the U_I_D_ and the I_D_ were asked to go ahead and start developing a prototype for us to look at .{vocalsound} So . That's sorted , back to the main {vocalsound} meet here , um , go ahead and take it away guys .Industrial Designer: Well . Uh , we haveassembled our prototype , um . What's to be said about it ? Um , we took into account a lot of the things that we went over in the last meeting , um . Some of themost important things to consider are that we decided not to go for the touch screen which you can seeProject Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: andopted for some very large buttons for the primary functions , um . This is going to be the on off buttonProject Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: and we have these buttons to go through the channels um and then two volume buttons down here , d uh we decided those were the most importantuh buttons . And then , for the more advanced uh functions there is a slide out panel here um and you can see that there are lots of other things going on . Butthis actually can slide back in and provides a very nice aesthetic when it's all put away , um . As far as the uh whole visible light thing , we decided to go with themultiple colours coming out ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Ah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Nice . {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: why not ?Marketing: {vocalsound} Fair enough .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Of course , if that's annoyingfor some people that function can be turned off . Um .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Perfect .Industrial Designer: Go ahead .User Interface: No it's important to{vocalsound} we talked a quite a bit about uh you know the the interchangeable uh faces and what we've done here is come up with a bit of a natural lookhereMarketing: Mm .User Interface: um f we call it fruityMarketing: Right .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: if you will . Um . Right , um,Marketing: Appropriate , okay .User Interface: of course that's uh interchangeableIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: and uh I think it would bedesirable for the uh for the regular product in the in the in the in the first packaging to be something a little bit more subduedMarketing: Mm 'kay .User Interface:but this is kind of something that can be doneMarketing: It is an option .User Interface: um and as you can see on the television there uh we have the uh voicedetector device um on the top there .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh , right .Industrial Designer: That's this here .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing:Ah . I see .User Interface: Um . So that that will work quite well with with regard to finding this uh contraption . Um , what other things do we see here , well , umif you give it a touch it does have actually a bit of a spongy feel ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: um , so I think that will work well with regards toour market . Um and uh let's see , well clearly there's gonna be some more colours and what not available . {vocalsound} Um uh do you have anything else toadd to that ?Industrial Designer: Um I worried about the materials , it is uh {disfmarker} the entire thing is covered in a rubber coating so it's very durable uh ,it's not gonna break like some types of plastic that's dropped . Um , and of course as you can see and if you touch it it does have that nice squishy feel .UserInterface: It's actually important to note that the television , uh you know if there's an earthquake or anything like that , that i it actually is edible inside .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Fact , I dunno if you noticed, but I wrote the uh the company's name on the telephone screen ,Project Manager: Oh well done yeah , yeah oh okIndustrial Designer: I thought that was kindanice .Marketing: Nice .Industrial Designer: This was actually an apple on the inside .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:This {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Do we need to worry about um rot factors ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}UserInterface: Um {vocalsound} it's encased in a new uh type of uhMarketing: Oh okay , there's preservatives involved ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .User Interface: polymer yeah .Marketing: we don't need to worry ,Industrial Designer: We got a bit ahead of ourselves ,User Interface: It's fine.Marketing: okay .Industrial Designer: I know we're not talking about making televisions at this point or anything like that , but {disfmarker}User Interface: Hmm.Marketing: Fair enough .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Edible televisions , it's a wave of the future . {vocalsound}Marketing: No but {disfmarker}UserInterface: It's pos a possible new product .Marketing: {vocalsound} It's a couple years off at least . Okay .User Interface: Um , but I think that's {disfmarker} Ithink that sums up the main features of our {disfmarker} of the remote ,Project Manager: Brilliant .Industrial Designer: Right .User Interface: um I dunno if youguys have any questions or f whether that uh {disfmarker} whether we need to worry about any uh other marketing areas or anything of that nature . Um , didwe come in under budget ?Industrial Designer: Uh we did , yeah . This cost {disfmarker} well to put this into um production , we're looking at about {disfmarker}what was our goal ? It was twelve fifty Euro um and this actually came in at about eleven ninety nine .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Um , soI was quite pleased with that .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: One thing that we didn't do um {disfmarker} obviously we had a choice with thebuttons whether to use scroll buttons or standard rubber buttons , but we just went for a classic rubber button and um since we did thatMarketing: Mm .IndustrialDesigner: we didn't have to use as many microchips which was quite nice and that's what helped keep the cost down .Project Manager: Brilliant .IndustrialDesigner: So even though it has a lot of modern technology , um for example the voice recognition ,Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: in a lot of ways it's just asimple remote and um I think if we shopped around for other manufacturers um we might be able to get even cheaper .Marketing: Okay .User Interface: Mm .{vocalsound} Did we talk about the voice recognition uh option ?Industrial Designer: And {disfmarker} Oh no , we haven't talked about that yet have we ?UserInterface: So uh so uh yeah on the back here you all noticed this area here which is actually the voice recognition uh uh consoleProject Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: Okay .User Interface: and uh I think it's nicely designed into the into the overall look .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Um , butbasically the voice recognition uh incorporates um the latest designs that our research team has been able to cufw uh come up with . Basically uh quite similar tothe coffee maker um design that we were talking about earlierMarketing: Mm 'kay .User Interface: and um , I think that uh has given a proven um {vocalsound}ease of use and what not .Industrial Designer: Hmm . Yeah .User Interface: And uh allows features like the remote actually talking back to the user um , so.Marketing: Right .Project Manager: Cool .Industrial Designer: Any questions ?Project Manager: No , noMarketing: {vocalsound} Do we have um other , for lackof a better word , skins ? Covers ?Project Manager: I think that's {disfmarker} {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: In play now or are thoseones gonna be developed later once we see how the couple we have g go or ?Industrial Designer: Um , do you wanna answer this oneMarketing: Do we knowwhere we stand on that yet ?Industrial Designer: or do you want me to answer it ?User Interface: Well we didn't quite have enough material uh {vocalsound}.Marketing: Oh I wasn't expecting a prototypeIndustrial Designer: Yeah , yeah .User Interface: Oh I see ,Marketing: I just didn't know {disfmarker} if you guyshad any in mind yet . {vocalsound}User Interface: right , um .Industrial Designer: Um , well {vocalsound} as you can see this is just a most superficial layer andum it'd be very easy to put another layer of something else like {disfmarker}Marketing: Okay . Just veneer really ,User Interface: Right .Marketing: yeah . Okay.User Interface: Actually this bottom red ring here just unclipsMarketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: and then you put a a new a new uh a new plate on top of that.Marketing: And the whole thing {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: OkayUser Interface: So I mean there are {disfmarker} I{disfmarker}Marketing: RightUser Interface: we definitely priced out a spongy {disfmarker} even spongier non-natural look um materialsMarketing: Yeah ."}
{"doc_id":"doc_16","qid":"","text":"Grad A: OK , we 're recording .Professor F: We can say the word \" zero \" all we want ,PhD G: I 'm doing someProfessor F: but just {disfmarker}PhD G: squarebrackets , coffee sipping , square brackets .PhD B: That 's not allowed , I think .Postdoc C: Cur - curly brackets .Grad E: Is that voiced or unvoiced ?Grad A: Curlybrackets .PhD B: Curly brackets .Professor F: Curly brackets .Grad A: Right .PhD B: Oops .Professor F: Well , correction for transcribers .PhD G: Mmm !{comment} {vocalsound} Gar - darn !Professor F: Yeah .Postdoc C: Channel two .Grad A: Do we use square brackets for anything ?Postdoc C: Yeah . Uh{disfmarker}Grad E: These poor transcribers .Professor F: uPostdoc C: Not ri not right now . I mean {disfmarker} No .PhD D: There 's gonna be some zeros fromthis morning 's meeting because I noticed thatProfessor F: uPhD D: Barry , I think maybe you turned your mike off before the digits were {disfmarker} Oh , wasit during digits ? Oh , so it doesn't matter .Professor F: Yeah .Grad A: It 's still not a good idea .PhD B: So it 's not {disfmarker} it 's not that bad if it 's at the end, but it 's {disfmarker} in the beginning , it 's {pause} bad .PhD D: Yeah . Yeah .Grad A: Yeah , you wanna {disfmarker} you wanna keep them on so you get{pause} good noise {disfmarker} noise floors , through the whole meeting .Postdoc C: That 's interesting . Hmm .Professor F: Uh , I probably just should haveleft it on . Yeah I did have to run , but {disfmarker}Grad E: Is there any way to change that in the software ?Grad A: Change what in the software ?Grad E:Where like you just don't {disfmarker} like if you {disfmarker} if it starts catching zeros , like in the driver or something {disfmarker} in the card , or somewherein the hardware {disfmarker} Where if you start seeing zeros on w across one channel , you just add some {vocalsound} random , @ @ {comment} noise floor{disfmarker} like a small noise floor .Grad A: I mean certainly we could do that , but I don't think that 's a good idea . We can do that in post - processing if{disfmarker} if the application needs it .Grad E: Yeah .PhD B: Manual post - processing .Professor F: Well , I {disfmarker} u I actually don't know what thedefault {comment} is anymore as to how we 're using the {disfmarker} the front - end stuff but {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} when we use theICSI front - end ,Grad A: As an argument .Professor F: but um , there is an {disfmarker} there is an o an option in {disfmarker} in RASTA , which , um ,{vocalsound} in when I first put it in , uh , back in the days when I actually wrote things , uh , {vocalsound} I {pause} did actually put in a random bit or so thatwas in it ,Grad E: OK .Professor F: but {vocalsound} then I realized that putting in a random bit was equivalent to adding uh {disfmarker} adding flat spectrum,Grad E: Right .Professor F: and it was a lot faster to just add a constant to the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to the spectrum . So then I just started doingthatGrad E: Mmm . OK .Professor F: instead of calling \" rand \" {comment} or something ,Grad E: Right .Professor F: so . So it d it does that . Gee ! Here we allare !Grad A: Uh , so the only agenda items were Jane {disfmarker} was Jane wanted to talk about some of the IBM transcription process .Professor F: There 's anagenda ?Grad A: I sort of {vocalsound} condensed the three things you said into that . And then just {disfmarker} I only have like , this afternoon and maybetomorrow morning to get anything done before I go to Japan for ten days . So if there 's anything that n absolutely , desperately needs to be done , you should letme know now .Professor F: Uh , and you just sent off a Eurospeech paper , so .PhD G: Right . I hope they accept it .Professor F: Right .PhD G: I mean , I{disfmarker} both actu as {disfmarker} as a submission and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you know , as a paper . Um {disfmarker} but {disfmarker}Grad A: Wellyeah , you sent it in {pause} late .Professor F: Yeah , I guess you {disfmarker} first you have to do the first one ,Grad A: Yeah .Professor F: and then{disfmarker} Yeah .PhD G: We actually exceeded the delayed deadline by o another day , so .PhD B: Oops .Professor F: Oh they {disfmarker} they had someextension that they announced or something ?PhD G: Well yeah . Liz had sent them a note saying \" could we please {pause} have another \" {comment} {pause}I don't know , \" three days \" or something , and they said yes .PhD D: And then she said \" Did I say three ?Grad A: Oh ,PhD D: I meant four . \"Grad A: that wasthe other thing uh ,PhD G: But uGrad A: uh , Dave Gelbart sent me email , I think he sent it to you too , {comment} that um , there 's a special topic , section insi in Eurospeech on new , corp corpors corpora . And it 's not due until like May fifteenth .Professor F: Oh this isn't the Aurora one ?Grad A: No .Professor F: It 'sanother one ?Grad A: It 's a different one .PhD B: No it 's {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah .Grad E: Huh !Grad A: And uh ,Professor F: Oh !PhD B: I got this mail from{disfmarker}Grad A: I s forwarded it to Jane as I thought being the most relevant person . Um {disfmarker} So , I thought it was highly relevant{disfmarker}Postdoc C: Yeah I 'm {disfmarker}Professor F: That 's {disfmarker}Grad A: have you {disfmarker} did you look at the URL ?Postdoc C: Yeah . Ithink so too . Um , I haven't gotten over to there yet ,Grad A: Mm - hmm .Postdoc C: but what {disfmarker} our discussion yesterday , I really {disfmarker} I{disfmarker} I wanna submit one .PhD B: Was this {pause} SmartKom message ? I think {pause} Christoph Draxler sent this ,Postdoc C: Yeah . And , youoffered to {disfmarker} to join me , if you want me to .Grad A: I 'll help ,PhD B: yeah .Grad A: but obviously I can't , really do , most of it ,Postdoc C: Yeah . Yeah, that 's right .PhD G: I think several people {disfmarker} sent this ,Grad A: so .PhD B: Yeah .Postdoc C: Uh - huh .PhD G: yeah .Grad A: But any {disfmarker}any help you need I can certainly provide .Professor F: Well ,PhD G: Yeah .Professor F: that 's {disfmarker} that 's a great idea .PhD G: Well {disfmarker} there{disfmarker} there were some interesting results in this paper , though . For instance that Morgan {disfmarker} uh , accounted for fifty - six percent of theRobustness meetings in terms of number of words .Grad A: Wow .Postdoc C: In {disfmarker} in terms of what ? In termPhD G: Number of words .Postdoc C: One? Wow ! OK .Grad A: That 's just cuz he talks really fast .Postdoc C: Do you mean ,Professor F: n No .Grad A: I knowPhD B: Oh . Short words .Postdoc C: because{disfmarker} is it partly , eh , c correctly identified words ? Or is it {disfmarker} or just overall volume ?PhD G: No . Well , according to the transcripts .Grad A:But re well regardless . I think it 's {disfmarker} he 's {disfmarker} he 's in all of them ,Postdoc C: Oh . OK .Professor F: Yeah .PhD G: I mean , we didn't mentionMorgan by nameGrad A: and he talks a lot .PhD G: we just {disfmarker}Grad A: One participant .Professor F: Well {disfmarker} we have now , but{disfmarker}PhD G: We {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} something about {disfmarker}Grad A: Did you identify him as a senior {pause} member?PhD G: No , we as identify him as the person dominating the conversation .Professor F: Well .Grad A: Yeah .Postdoc C: OK .Professor F: I mean I get these AARPthings , but I 'm not se really senior yet , but {disfmarker}PhD G: RightProfessor F: Um ,PhD G: Hmm .Professor F: but uh , other than that delightful result ,what was the rest of the paper about ?PhD G: Um , well it was about {disfmarker} it had three sectionsProfessor F: You sent it to me but I haven't seen it yet.PhD G: uh {disfmarker} three kinds of uh results , if you will . Uh , the one was that the {disfmarker} just the {disfmarker} the amount of overlapGrad A: Thegood , the bad , and the ugly .PhD G: um , s in terms of {disfmarker} in terms of number of words and also we computed something called a \" spurt \" , which isessentially a stretch of speech with uh , no pauses exceeding five hundred milliseconds . Um , and we computed how many overlapped i uh spurts there were andhow many overlapped words there were . {vocalsound} Um , for four different {pause} corpora , the Meeting Recorder meetings , the Robustness meetingsSwitchboard and CallHome , and , found {disfmarker} and sort of compared the numbers . Um , and found that the , uh , you know , as you might expect theMeeting Recorder {pause} meetings had the most overlap uh , but next were Switchboard and CallHome , which both had roughly the same , almost identical infact , and the Robustness meetings were {disfmarker} had the least , so {disfmarker} One sort of unexpected result there is that uh two - party telephoneconversations have {vocalsound} about the same amount of overlap ,Grad A: I 'm surprised .PhD G: sort of in gen you know {disfmarker} order of magnitude -wise as , uh {disfmarker} as face - to - face meetings with multiple {disfmarker}Grad A: I have {disfmarker} I had better start changing all my slides !PhD G:Yeah . Also , I {disfmarker} in the Levinson , the pragmatics book , {comment} in you know , uh , textbook , {vocalsound} there 's {disfmarker} I found thisgreat quote where he says {vocalsound} you know {disfmarker} you know , how people {disfmarker} it talks about how uh {disfmarker} how {disfmarker} howpeople are so good at turn taking ,Postdoc C: Mm - hmm . Yeah . Yeah .PhD G: and {vocalsound} so {disfmarker} they 're so good that {vocalsound} generally ,u the overlapped speech does not {disfmarker} is less than five percent .Postdoc C: Oh , that 's interesting . Yeah .PhD G: So , this is way more than five percent.Grad E: Did he mean face {disfmarker} like face - to - face ? Or {disfmarker} ?PhD G: Well , in real conversations ,Grad E: Hmm .PhD G: everydayconversations .Postdoc C: Mm - hmm .PhD G: It 's s what these conversation analysts have been studying for years and years there .Postdoc C: Mm - hmm .PhDB: But {disfmarker}Postdoc C: Well , of course , no , it doesn't necessarily go against what he said , cuz he said \" generally speaking \" . In order to {disfmarker}to go against that kind of a claim you 'd have to big canvassing .Grad A: Hmm .PhD B: And in fPhD G: Well , he {disfmarker} he made a claim {disfmarker}GradA: Well {disfmarker}PhD G: Well {disfmarker}Grad A: PhD B: But {disfmarker}Professor F: Yeah , we {disfmarker} we have pretty limited sample here .PhD B:Five percent of time or five percent of what ?Grad A: Yeah , I was gonna ask that too .Postdoc C: Yeah .PhD B: Yeah .Postdoc C: Exactly .PhD G: Well it 's time.PhD B: Yeah , so {disfmarker}Postdoc C: It 's {disfmarker} i it 's not against his conclusion ,PhD G: So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} but still {disfmarker} but still{disfmarker} uPostdoc C: it just says that it 's a bi bell curve , and that , {vocalsound} you have something that has a nice range , in your sampling .PhD G: Yeah. So there are slight {disfmarker} There are differences in how you measure it , but still it 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} You know , the difference between um{disfmarker} between that number and what we have in meetings , which is more like , {vocalsound} you know , close to {disfmarker} in meetings like these ,uh {disfmarker} you know , close to twenty percent .Postdoc C: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .Professor F: But what was it like , say , in the Robustness meeting , for"}
{"doc_id":"doc_17","qid":"","text":"The Acting Chair (Mr. Bruce Stanton (Simcoe North, CPC)): Honourable members, I call this meeting to order. Welcome to the 15thmeeting of the House ofCommons Special Committee on the COVID-19 Pandemic. This will be a hybrid meeting. Members will be participating via video conference or in person.  I willremind you that in order to avoid issues with sound, members participating in person should not also be connecting by video conference. In order to ensure thatthose joining the meeting via video conference can be seen and heard by those in the chamber, two screens have been set up here on either side of the Speaker'schair, and members in the chamber can listen to the floor audio or to interpretation using the earpieces on their desks. Before speaking, please wait until Irecognize you by name and please direct your remarks through the chair. For those joining by video conference, I'd like to remind you to leave your microphoneson mute when you are not speaking. Also, please note that if you want to speak in English, you need to be on the English channel for interpretation, and if youwant to speak French, you should do so on the French channel. Should you wish to alternate between the two languages, please change to the channel for thelanguage that you happen to be using at the time. Should members participating by video conference need to request the floor outside their designated speakingtimes, they should activate their mic and state that they have a point of order. Those in the Chamber can rise in the usual way. Please note that today'sproceedings will be televised in the same way as a typical sitting of the House. We will now proceed to ministerial announcements. I invite the Right Hon. PrimeMinister to take the floor.Right Hon. Justin Trudeau (Papineau, Lib.): Thank you, Mr.Chair. I rise today to address what so many people of colour live with everyday. Over the past few days, we've seen horrific reports of police violence against black men and women south of the border, but these are not isolated incidentsor elsewhere problems. Prejudice, discrimination and violence are a lived reality for far too many people. They are a result of systems that far too often condone,normalize, perpetrate and perpetuate inequality and injustice against people of colour. As a country, we are not concerned bystanders simply watching what ishappening next door. We are part of it. The calls for justice, for equality and for peace are found echoed in our communities, because anti-black racism ishappening here, everywhere in Canada, every single day. This is something that our own staff, cabinet ministers and colleagues face even in these halls. Over thepast few days, I've heard many of these personal stories directly from them. I'm not just talking about acts of violence. I'm also talking about microaggressions,which many of us may not even see. That is the daily reality of far too many racialized Canadians, and it needs to stop. When it comes to being an ally, I havemade serious mistakes in the past, mistakes that I deeply regret and continue to learn from. I want to thank my colleagues, community leaders and fellowCanadians for opening my eyes to what is really going on in our communities and for helping me better understand both privilege and power. I'm not perfect, butnot being perfect is not a free pass to not do the right thing. It's not an excuse to not step up, stand up for each other, be an ally. I know that for so many peoplelistening right now, the last thing you want to hear is another speech on racism from a white politician. I'm not here today to describe a reality I do not know or tospeak to a pain I have not felt. I'm here because I want you to know that our government is listening. We hear your calls for justice, equality and accountability.We acknowledge your frustration, your anger, your heartbreak. We see you.  Since coming to office, our government has taken many concrete steps to fightanti-black racism, systemic discrimination and injustice across the country. We are working directly with the communities and their leaders to close the gaps thatpersist in Canada. For example, we have provided $9million to support programs for black Canadian youth. We have made significant investments to enable thePublic Health Agency of Canada to provide more mental health services to people who have experienced racism or intergenerational trauma. We are helpingcommunity organizations to obtain funding to purchase equipment or lease space. We have also created the anti-racism secretariat, which has an envelope of$4.6million, to address systemic barriers, such as employment, justice and social participation, that perpetuate injustice. We have made progress, but we knowthe work is far from being done.  Over the past five years, our government has worked with communities to recognize and address injustices. We've taken actionto support community organizations, invest in better data and fight racism. While we've made some progress, there is still so much more to do, because here arethe facts in Canada: Anti-black racism is real. Unconscious bias is real. Systemic discrimination is real. For millions of Canadians, it is their daily, lived reality. Thepain and damage it causes are real too. Mr. Chair, every Canadian who has felt the weight of oppression, every student who has the courage to demand a betterfuture, every person who marches and posts and reads and fights, from Vancouver to Montreal to Halifax, expects more than the status quo. They expect moreand deserve better.  The Government of Canada has a lot of work to do, but we're ready. We're ready to work with our opposition colleagues, community leadersand Canadians to make our country a more just and fair place. Racism never has a place in this country, and we will do everything we can to eradicate it fromcoast to coast to coast. Thank you, Mr.Chair.The Acting Chair (Mr. Bruce Stanton): The honourable Leader of the Opposition.Hon. Andrew Scheer (Leader of theOpposition): Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Over the past week, we have all been affected by the heartbreaking killing of George Floyd in the United States.The video is painful to watch. No one should ever have to plead for help while a crime is being committed, ignored by other members of law enforcement. Thetragedy triggered marches, occupations, protests and, unfortunately, riots. However, I hope it has mostly sparked conversations. Racism is real, painful andunacceptable.  No one should ever feel unsafe because of the colour of their skin, especially around police officers who have a duty and a responsibility to upholdthe law for all. Here in Canada, we are fortunate to live in a country that is welcoming, tolerant and inclusive. Canada was a beacon of freedom to so manyescaping slavery during the U.S. Civil War. Our nation has benefited immensely from great Canadians who overcame prejudices and discrimination to serve theircommunities and make Canada a better country: Lincoln Alexander, elected as a Conservative in 1968, was the first black member of Parliament and went on tobecome the first black cabinet minister; John Ware was born into slavery in South Carolina but, following the American Civil War, was a leading figure in bringingthe first cattle to Alberta and spearheading the ranching industry that would become the backbone of the province; Josiah Henson escaped slavery to become athriving businessman in Ontario; and of course, Viola Desmond challenged segregation in Nova Scotia. Black Canadians throughout history have not just built thisnation with their contributions; they have also represented Canada with excellence and pride on the world stage, like Harry Jerome, who represented Canada inthree Olympic Games and won a bronze medal in 1964. He would go on to become a teacher in British Columbia, once again serving with excellence to try tomake a better world for the next generation. Throughout our history, black Canadians have put their lives on the line for their fellow Canadians, bravely servingaround the world in our armed forces. While there are many things we can point to in our history with pride, that is not to say that we have a perfect record, northat we are immune to the threat of racism or that anti-black racism is just an American problem. Canada has had its own dark episodes of racism that cannot beignoredsadly, not just in our past. Every day, there are people who experience discrimination or racism in some form. Throughout this pandemic, we have seen atroubling spike in anti-Asian racism. No one should be attacked in their community or targeted on the bus because of the colour of their skin. Nor should places ofworship be broken into and desecrated, like the synagogue in Montreal. The Conservatives condemn all acts of anti-semitism, racism and discrimination. In apeaceful and free country like Canada, there is absolutely no room for intolerance, racism or extremism of any kind.  But the violence and destruction we haveseen in response are not the answer. Millions of people are protesting peacefully across the United States and in Canada, and we must always protect the rights ofpeople who are protesting peacefully and within the law for a just cause and separate them from those who exploit tragedies to commit acts of violence. Mr.Floyd's brother, Terrence, said that violence will not bring his brother back. Instead, he has called for peace and justice and urged the crowds to educatethemselves and to vote. Out of such tragedy, Mr. Chair, that is a powerful message about how each one of us can use our democratic rights to effect change. In apeaceful and free country like Canada, there is absolutely no room for intolerance, racism and extremism of any kind. We are not born believing we are betterthan one another. We are all created in the image and likeness of God, and because of that, we are all equal. An infinite value exists in each one of us.  Canada isan incredibly diverse country. Canada is a nation of immigrants that stands on the traditional territories of first nations, Inuit and Mtis people. Waves ofnewcomers have come to Canada for a better life because our country is built on a rock-solid foundation of enduring values, democratic institutions, the rule oflaw and fundamental and universal human rights. Everyone comes here because Canada is built on solid values, democratic institutions, and respect for the ruleof law, as well as for fundamental, universal human rights. We must absolutely protect these values, because they are what sets us apart. They allow Canada tooffer what so many other countries simply cannot. There are those who say that diversity is our strength, and that is true, but it doesn't quite capture the fullpicture. Diversity is the result of our strength, and our strength is and always has been our freedom. It is the freedom for people to preserve and pass on theircultural traditions and the opportunity to live in peace with those around them; the freedom to live your life with equality under the law, regardless of your race orethnic background; and the economic freedom that so many governments around the world deny their people. It is that economic freedom that ensures that hardwork pays off. It gives people the ability to work towards their dreams and choose their own path in life. Together, generations of Canadians who trace their rootsback to countries around the world have built Canada to truly the greatest country on earth, the true north strong and free. To ensure that our people remain"}
{"doc_id":"doc_18","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: So we come to the third meetings . I have {gap} good .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um so in the last meeting we havediscussed the functional design and now we will talk about the conceptual design . So we will talk about some specific details .Industrial Designer: Okay so I thinkI will do my presentation on the components concept so can you please uh open uh {disfmarker} I'm participant two .Project Manager: This{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Components design .Project Manager: {gap}Industrial Designer: Okay so uh the first thing uh I have done is to to made areview together with the uh manufactural uh department and have which components was uh available to build a remote control . So for energy sources we havewe have to choose between the solar energy , hand dynamo and uh kinetic um well uh kinetic uh technique {vocalsound} to to store the energy .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: We also um {vocalsound} we also can put a regular battery in the in the remote control . Now{disfmarker}Project Manager: Uh this is what we have decided in the last meeting . But if we use battery {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah b uh f well uh Imeant uh by by battery I meant uh I will not have a uh a wire between the remote control and the energy source but uh I didn't fou we didn't decide yet whichkind of battery we will put inside the the remote . So uh it's a point to discuss . Then uh the case material we have uh uh also several choices , like wood , rubber, titanium or latex . {vocalsound} But uh well it's not a a re uh well a real issue for the {vocalsound} {disfmarker} from the technical uh point of view .Concerning the interface uh we can we can put mm just simple buttons or scrolls or buttons uh much more complicated , but it also requires that the chip toprocess the button is more complicated so .User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} And uh this is the last point , the choice of chips . So what Ihave f found is that I think basic battery or kinetic uh energy uh collection is the is the better way to provide energy because I think solar energy wi won't work{vocalsound} in a cluttered uh {vocalsound} uh environment .User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer: So um so I think we can start with these two main things. For the case uh well uh I think that uh titanium is um is a good choice because it's trendy and it's uh it's uh well it's modern and uh user are are are{disfmarker} mm will be uh very happy to have a {vocalsound} a a nice remote . For the interface uh I think that we can ach achieve uh all the desiredfunctionalities by s just uh using uh rubber buttons , simple buttons and th thus this allow to use a regular chip {vocalsound} that are uh well cheaper .{vocalsound}User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer: And s so uh we can move to the next slide .User Interface: Sorry .Industrial Designer: Yeah .UserInterface: What is this single curved {disfmarker} what does it mean ?Industrial Designer: Well uh uh i i it's uh it's the the shape of the um of the remote .UserInterface: So it's it's not {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: You you will have the {disfmarker} well um the the curve will fit into your hand when you grab the{disfmarker}User Interface: Yo l yeah . When you hold on it , it is comfortable to hold .Industrial Designer: Yeah . It's more confog f comfortable that if these uhit's completely flat .User Interface: Okay . Yeah . And the battery , is it kind of a rechargeable or it doesn't matter ?Industrial Designer: Yeah the um that's thepoint . The kinetic one is uh y you can recharge uh by the um {disfmarker}User Interface: That that's what it means by kinetic .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Yeah and by {disfmarker} well by just by moving the ar uh your arm the mm well the remote will uh accumulate energy .User Interface: Okay . Mm-hmm . Okay.Industrial Designer: But I d I don't know it's {disfmarker} if it is feasible because I don't know if yet if if the user will move enough to provide the remote um allthe necessary energy .User Interface: Mm . {vocalsound} Mm . Okay . Yeah . Yeah . We we might check with our R_ and D_ department to see if they have thisproduct {vocalsound} ready for market . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound} And {disfmarker} yeah and so can you go to the next slideplease . So and uh that's uh that summarize well what I have said .User Interface: Mm mm . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} WhaIndustrial Designer: So uh you'reright we can uh see in our uh R_ and D_ uh {vocalsound} if the kinetic metal is sufficient to provide enough energy .User Interface: Ah the department . Mm.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} That's it .User Interface: Uh {disfmarker} So I um keep in touch with the R_ and D_ department .Industrial Designer: OhyeahUser Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I take care , it's all right .User Interface: {vocalsound} So the titanium case is the normal case that{disfmarker} I'll show you some pictures that I have and you tell me whether they are titanium case or not .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} All right . Yeah.User Interface: 'Cause I am not very sure , plastic , titanium or whatever . There's another point I want to make , is that the uh {disfmarker} well you've seenthem I le na my presentation that um I point out some {disfmarker} why buttons are not the mm not the only ways you can {vocalsound} use {disfmarker} Yeah. Yeah , maybe nIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: We will , okay .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Three .User Interface: Yeah .{vocalsound} So the user interface is uh i it uses the aspect uh of a computer system , a programme which can be seen or heard or otherwise perceived by thehuman userProject Manager: {gap}User Interface: and the commands and mechanism the user uses to control its operation and input data . So you s this givesyou the ways to input data and we have uh {disfmarker} we are more {disfmarker} we emphasise more on the graphical user interface here . The idea is torepresent buttons as figures , diagrams , symbols and on so you you can easily when you look at the symbols you understand what it is doing .Project Manager:What's the function of this button .User Interface: Yeah . Yeah . So .Project Manager: I think it makes the the interface really {disfmarker}User Interface: Ea easyto use . So next one .Project Manager: Graphical user interface {gap} .User Interface: {gap} function five . So I can use the button , the mouse maybe .ProjectManager: A graphical user interface emphasise the use of pictures .User Interface: Yeah . So next line . So the {disfmarker} here are some examples . So theycluster the buttons together . They group them into col they colour them and uh they have different forms as well . Mm but this interface are kind of confusing .Uh basically there are too many buttons . Right . Next one .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: So some people are propose voice recognition and so{disfmarker} ah by the way I receive an email from the from one our departments saying that the voice recognition has been used in the coffee machine{vocalsound} for this by a companyIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: when you tell the {disfmarker} you say good morning coffee machine andthe machine are reply to you . So I just got an email saying that .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm mm mm .User Interface: And it seems like this voice recognitiontechnology is ready to be used so we might consider that , supposedly .Industrial Designer: Yeah fine .User Interface: {vocalsound} The next one . Mm sosomebody {disfmarker} some people use uh some people use a spinning wheel th with the L_C_ display so instead of using the mm buttons you have a L_C_D_screen and then there you can u you can use that as buttons , you can use that as real {disfmarker} so so that could be an option as well . Touch screen , I mean.Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Next one . And some people propose a scroll button . Integrated with push buttons or you may have scroll button insteadof p just the push button . Like the one we have here . Uh , next one . So mmProject Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: so there are a few aspects that Icollected here . So s basically this deals with special users , children , handicapped people , old people , and uh mm and prog basically they are programmable ,specially for children . And uh mm {disfmarker} yeah yeah . And then they also secure uh covers , to protect uh secure and hidden programming and batterycovers that will protect your settings . So {disfmarker} But we don't have to integrate all these complicated features . I'm just saying that the {disfmarker}currently in the market there are there are control there are remote controllers f {gap} customisable for different people . Yeah , so that's the point . The nextone . And uh you see this is the one where you have the protection cover . Mm maybe useful for children , they migh you you they only see the buttons outside .And for adults wh where you have more control you can see the one inside . So the adults might wanna have a key to lock that to pr so children will not touch thebutton inside .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: S a good idea .User Interface: The next one .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: So this guy {disfmarker} this is another company that provides big buttons . At {disfmarker} I see that that is useful for old peopleand then you don't get it lost . But for our product we don't need a big one because you have voice recognition e eventually with use .Industrial Designer: Yeah.User Interface: And you can call your remote controller if you don't know where it is .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} T_V_remote controller where are you ?Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: And then , he will beeps and to say that I am here , {vocalsound} for example.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {gap} We should include speech synthesis in this case , no ?User Interface: Is it possible ?IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Uh ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah but uh as Norman say if uh there is uh already a commercialproduct available who t who do this we we can check uh to integrate it i into our uh new remote control .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .Yeah . And uh , this is another one where you can uh {disfmarker} the the the part that's a V_ standing for the volume . So there's a up arrow and a down arrow. But you the see that in the V_ , the V_ appears to be the down arrow on the top {disfmarker} on the top up arrow {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if you{disfmarker}Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: up arrow there's a V_ like as as if it's turning down so it's confusing interface , so I wanna avoid thiskind of thing in the design .Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah .User Interface: And here are {disfmarker} is uh here is a s short summary that I summary that Icompiled after the findings I found . Big buttons are convenient , voice recognition helps , push buttons , scroll buttons , spinning wheels can be used asnavigation tools . And uh user customisable is important and finally simplicity simplicity is the key . Yeah . So {vocalsound} we have many concepts"}
{"doc_id":"doc_19","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay , welcome to the detailed design meeting . Again , I'm gonna take minutes . Oh , we're gonna have a prototype presentation first .UserInterface: {gap}Project Manager: Uh , who's gonna give the prototype presentation ? You two guys ? Okay . Go ahead .Industrial Designer: Yes . {vocalsound}{gap}User Interface: {gap} .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {gap} . {vocalsound}User Interface: {gap} coffee .Marketing: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: 'Kay , we've made a prototype . Um , we've got uh {vocalsound} uh our aspects from the last meeting . Uh , especially we looked at the form , materialand the colour . Um , we've uh drawn here the p prototype . The logo is uh is uh {vocalsound} is pretty uh {vocalsound} obvious to see on the on the remotecontrol ,User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: but it is necessary when you want to build your uh company f to a level higher . Um ,{vocalsound} our interface elements , there are shown in the in the drawing . Maybe you can uh point them uh {disfmarker} The functions .User Interface: Uh ,well the uh {disfmarker} all the functions are discussed uh {disfmarker} I think the most of the functions are uh uh obvious . Uh , it's a little bit . Uh , powerbutton . Uh then the the the nine uh channels .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Uh the volume uh uh at the side , and the other side is theprogrammes . And then we had uh just uh two buttons , we place them in the middle , uh the menu , and for the teletextProject Manager: Oh no , the the themute button misses now .User Interface: {vocalsound} {disfmarker} I thought that was thMarketing: Alright , I {disfmarker}Project Manager: Do y do you{disfmarker}User Interface: Oh , the mute button .Project Manager: did we want to have a m mute button ?Industrial Designer: But uh that{disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: It's uh here then , in the middle .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Huh .Marketing: Alright , and uh yougotta point out which is the volume um uh button and which is the programme button .Industrial Designer: Yes , umUser Interface: {vocalsound} Well , yeah mouh moIndustrial Designer: we've discUser Interface: Yeah , well most of them are right-handed .Industrial Designer: Most of the usersMarketing: Yeah , but youyou gotta make it clear on the {disfmarker} on {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah well , I don't have time in uh anymore on the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:Yes , y there there will be a p a little a little P_ on that and a little uh {disfmarker} yeah .Marketing: Yeah , and a and a triangle on that .User Interface: Oh yeah ,just progr programme above , I think .Marketing: Yes . Next to that I kinda miss a zero actually .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Wait , there's {disfmarker} was one thing I wanted to ask .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh , there are different ways for remote controls to uh {vocalsound} do uh likeMarketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: uh d I call it teens and twenties . Uh , y th th th the two numbers .Industrial Designer: Yes .Marketing: All n no , that's um{vocalsound} kinda dependent on the television .User Interface: Yeah , true , yeah .Industrial Designer: It's a television . Yes .Project Manager: Yeah , but do wehave {disfmarker} do we need extra buttons ,User Interface: Uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} for example some uh some have to{disfmarker}User Interface: Uh I think so .Marketing: I think {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yes , yes , you have you have a lot of standard buttons that has tobe uh on it , uh th with the one and a double uh uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah , I think you should add {disfmarker} {vocalsound}User Interface: Zero?Marketing: A cross , or whatever . Yeah , line .Project Manager: Yeah , but you don't you don't actually need them ,User Interface: May maybe here ?IndustrialDesigner: yes .Project Manager: becau b l a lot of remote controls work that y when y that you when you fir you push the one first , then you have a couple ofseconds {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah . And then a second .Marketing: No , that's dependent on the television .Project Manager: No , I don't think so.Industrial Designer: Yes , you have televisions , then you have to , you know , you have to uh press {disfmarker}Marketing: I do know so .User Interface: Is itdepending on television ?Project Manager: Nah , I don't think so really ,Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: because you have a {disfmarker} I know some remotecontrols that don't have these buttons , but you still can , know , obviously you can still select the twenty {disfmarker} uh a number in the twenty or in the ten.Industrial Designer: Yes , but but a lot {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Yes , but uh uh no uh remote control nowadays are um {disfmarker}{vocalsound} they come with the television . Or actually , the other way around .Project Manager: No , I think {disfmarker} uh I really think it's nMarketing: But{disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager: because you can {disfmarker} when when you put a button on it with like one and uh then a dash , it's the samething as when you just push the one ,Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: because it i it first gives you the functionality of that that uh separate button you alsohad to uh apply .Industrial Designer: Yes , butMarketing: Yeah , well {disfmarker} but su {vocalsound} If {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: some televisionsdon't accept uh that that {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah , because that's i it's for television . It's exact the same thing .Industrial Designer: No , no , butsMarketing: No no no . So some television respond differently . Look , if uh i iProject Manager: No , listen listen . When you push the button , the remote controlgives a signal . I in th in the first place it gives a signal which it would also send when you put a separate button on it .Marketing: Yes . Yes , that's true .ProjectManager: The one with dash , that signal gi and when y whe when you don't push another button on the remote control within five seconds , then the remotecontrol gives a signal for channel one .User Interface: Yeah . True .Marketing: No {disfmarker}Project Manager: I think it works that way , really .Marketing: No ,it it it works uh if you haven't got uh a special button for it , uh if you push a one , then on your television there will appear a one and a a line , which is an emptyspace .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah , but it's exact the same {gap} that w would appear when you put a separate button {disfmarker} push a separatebutton .Industrial Designer: Yes , but some some old televisions uh you have to uh click on uh a special button , uh then you go to a a next level , you can pushtwo buttons .Project Manager: Yeah , but you don't underst uh you don't understand my point .Marketing: Yep . {vocalsound} True .Project Manager: I think it'sexact the same thing when yIndustrial Designer: You want {disfmarker} Yes , but some television don't support it .Project Manager: No , but then they would awould also support that button , because it's the same thing .User Interface: But the exProject Manager: Listen , with {disfmarker} that that's that special butbutton {gap} you're talking about , eh ? That's just a signal to recei ju they send a t signal to the v tv T_V_ that they have to put a one in {disfmarker} on yourscreen and a dash , which you can pu so you can uh still put another number on it . When you don't have that separate button , and you push y one , it's exactlythe same thing . Do y you {disfmarker} the remote control gives that same signal as it would give when you only had {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: No,Marketing: No , s some some televisions need the input first uh and and you cIndustrial Designer: a remote can {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: Yes ,Project Manager: But you give the input .Industrial Designer: so they need {disfmarker} no , they need {disfmarker}Project Manager: You pushthe one . That's the same thing as the button with the one and it {disfmarker}Marketing: No , that's not true .Project Manager: yes it it is .Marketing: It's simplynot true . It's simply not true .Project Manager: Think about it .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: No ,User Interface: You uh you can wai when you pushthe one you can show on the telly a one and just a dash , and then wait uh two uh seconds or something {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: but uh{disfmarker}Marketing: Uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: And it's the same thing what happens and a g remote control gives another signal after five secondsthat is just one .Marketing: No , remote control doesn't give signal after five seconds . Remote control is a stupid thing . If you push a button , it sends itimmediately to to the television .Project Manager: Yeah , that's true . Yeah , but I m uh but it's {disfmarker} I I know for sure that some televisions that w th ththe remote control supplied , only ha has the c these buttons with a one and a dash and a two and a dash , but when you use a bu a n remote control that doesn'tsport these buttons , it still works .Industrial Designer: Yeah , it {disfmarker}Project Manager: But okay , we we'll implMarketing: No , definitely not . Definitelynot .User Interface: We'll discuss them in the usability lab .Project Manager: No , we'll apply them then for now .User Interface: Uh eva evaluation .Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: I don't know uh I don't know if if it's it's necessary .Project Manager: Yeah , app just apply them next to the zero , the one and thetwo .User Interface: Yeah ?Project Manager: Yeah , I think so . Yeah , for now , if we don't know for sure whether {disfmarker} {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound} Okay .Industrial Designer: And the button for the SCART uh audio video uh external input .Marketing: Yes .User Interface: Ach .Project Manager:Yeah but {disfmarker}Marketing: Uh , you can access that uh via zero , and then minus , I guess .Project Manager: okay . {vocalsound} What I said about uh theremote control sending another signal , that that might not be true ,Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: but I still think i it it {disfmarker} allT_V_s in some ways support it , I don't know . I think it's more c is m maybe we don't {disfmarker} uh we both don't really understand how it i how it reallyworks ,Industrial Designer: No , no .Project Manager: but I think there's more to in than wha than what you just said .Industrial Designer: Uh , remote controlsends one signal at one button uh press .Project Manager: I do think that uh m T_V_s support mur multiple kind of remote controls . MIndustrial Designer: Uh ,some {disfmarker} N some televisions when when you want to go further than uh ten {disfmarker}Project Manager: Th won't work wi with uh{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: No , you have to you have to uh give the television uh two or more signals .Project Manager: to have that special button.Industrial Designer: When you uh press one button , you give one signal . And the older televisions need more signals to go a level higher . But{disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay , well we'll see .Marketing: Yep .Industrial Designer: When you make the technology that that it will uh give more signals , it"}
{"doc_id":"doc_20","qid":"","text":"Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So in last meeting we have discussed the conceptual design and we asked you to prepare a prototype for thefor the remote control .User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} So {gap} .{vocalsound} So let's see the {disfmarker} what did you prepare .User Interface: Yeah , so can you go out to the shared folder ? Mm the shared folder .ProjectManager: Sh share folder for th your presentation ?User Interface: Yes . We have a presentation .Project Manager: Because I have here {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker} {gap} So I got the participant uh three . W uh {vocalsound} . Three . It's the final design ,yeah .Project Manager: Okay just one {gap} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} S so so I discussed with Guillaume .IndustrialDesigner: Mm . {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: Right . {vocalsound} And uh {vocalsound} so we have {vocalsound} {disfmarker} and we we are bothagreed on some two versions of the prototypes , because we were no not decided whether we wanted to have an L_C_D_ or not because it's too expensive . Sowe come up with two versions . One with and one without L_C_D_s . Um but both comes with a charger and then detachable and uh or {gap} control module .And detachable big buttons for all people um . So {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} S okay so I'll show you the the two prototypes {vocalsound} .Here we have the first one with the beautiful uh L_C_D_ um display . You you can s here . And you can uh just um browse into the the navigation menu by uhjoystick joystick-like uh button .User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer: You can uh choose the direction and if you just push on it it's considered like a enterfunction .User Interface: Mm . Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: You have on the mm on the side here the microphone for the {vocalsound} for the speechrecognition system here .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And here the the switch that control if you want {disfmarker}Project Manager: Whyyou why you you put it in the the side ?Industrial Designer: Well I I I think uh it's the {disfmarker}Project Manager: It's not a good place maybe {gap} .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah but {disfmarker}User Interface: No i i it's the all around camer uh microphone isn't it . The the microphone picks up the speeches from anywhere.Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Is it an only a single mic or a microphone array ?Industrial Designer: Well so it's a microphone array .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh it's very costly , microphone array {vocalsound} .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} NoUser Interface:Yeah {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: it's just a single microphone , and you {disfmarker} I I think uh we we put it here because I think when you when you arebrowsing your L_C_D_ you will be close to {disfmarker}User Interface: Mm .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: well it's better to to to place it here th thanhere , for instance .User Interface: Yeah {vocalsound} yeah .Marketing: Okay .Industrial Designer: And here is a little switch that control if you want the thespeaker uh recognition system to um to be on or off . And uh so this remote control comes up with its charger .Project Manager: How much does it cost this one?Industrial Designer: Well this this prototype is um made for about uh well fi fi fifteen fifteen dollarsUser Interface: For the {disfmarker}Project Manager: Fifteendollars ?User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} fifteen dollars ,Project Manager: Ah it's above it's above the budget .Industrial Designer: but uhwell it's not it's not uh {disfmarker} yeah , but uh it's just a prototype and if we uh if we optimises the um the uh {disfmarker} voila .Marketing: The cost wouldbe le reduced .Industrial Designer: Yeah the {gap} and the the production costs we we can achieve uh about ten dollars . {gap}User Interface: Mm . Hmm.Project Manager: How many b battery is there ?Industrial Designer: How many , excuse me ?Project Manager: Battery .Industrial Designer: Well uh f battery ,we use uh about uh {disfmarker}User Interface: Is it n the two A_A_s batteries in it .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: A_A_ rechargeable batteries.Industrial Designer: Rechargeable of course ,User Interface: Yeah rechargeable batteries .Industrial Designer: because we have the charger .User Interface: Wehave the charger so it's no problem .Industrial Designer: Yeah and you just {disfmarker}Project Manager: So one one battery ?Industrial Designer: On uh yeahone battery .Marketing: Is that two or one ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: It's kinetic reserve .User Interface: {vocalsound} Actually uh it's aflexible thing .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: You just n uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Now what is the whole day ratingfor that ?Industrial Designer: The {disfmarker} excuse me ?Marketing: Whole day's rating .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: What type of battery?Industrial Designer: Oh yeah it's just a r uh simple battery a rechargeable uh {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah yeah .Industrial Designer: if you uh like it's exist.Marketing: Something like a two A_ , A_ three size batteries ?Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah {vocalsound} .Marketing: Mm-hmm .IndustrialDesigner: So and if you want to charge the battery you just put the remote control like that to plug in the the chargerUser Interface: Yeah . Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: and uh leave it uh alone , it's alright .User Interface: Mm . {vocalsound} At uh {vocalsound} yeah .Industrial Designer: Then the next time you pick it ,ohProject Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: it works {vocalsound} .User Interface: I forgot to tell you there is only a single button there , b this button{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah just explain the button uh Norman .User Interface: yeah alright . This button is like the mouse {disfmarker} is like ajoystick ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: you can move in three hundred and sixty degrees of direction so you can make a turn and it{disfmarker} the additi functions associated to all the actions you ma you have a click you have a double click all in a single button {vocalsound} .ProjectManager: Mm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: You can move up , down , left , right , or you can do a swing . So a swing to the left , a swing tothe right defines other functions . So even though it's a single button , but it is pretty s flexible because of the three hundred and sixty degree movement{vocalsound} .Marketing: And the L_C_D_ is this one , on the remote ?User Interface: Yeah . This is the version y that comes with L_C_D_ .Industrial Designer:Yep .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Here I present another version without the L_C_D_ .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I think it's not agood idea because after maybe one or two months of function is {gap} getting destroyed .User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: If youUser Interface: Uh okaythis is new prototype uh {vocalsound} .Project Manager: {gap} {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah it's {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: So we have the the second version also with the different uh button configuration . The second version is also simpler , we d uh we had just uh I haveto put the microphone also {vocalsound} .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So basically th it's the same uh{disfmarker}Marketing: Uh-huh and also the switch .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: yeah {vocalsound} .Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay.Industrial Designer: Basically it's the same uh things uh uh as uh I presented before . But here we have uh we have uh four buttons for navigation . Press onebutton uh acting as a a enter button .User Interface: Mm . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So um yeah according to what you said it's more robust to the user.Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: And uh it's also cheaper to produce . We can produce uhsuch remote control for about uh four dollars . {vocalsound}Project Manager: No four dollars , it's {vocalsound} {gap} good . {gap}User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: And I think you forgot a point here to have an button to find the charger ,User Interface: Oh noMarketing: because that's a major that'sa {disfmarker}User Interface: th actually th we'll come to that point in our {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah it's it's it's embed in the uh speech recognitionsystem .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: OkayIndustrial Designer: So {disfmarker}Marketing: and if you disable speech recognition system then ?User Interface:W w I'll I'll come to that point later on .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} so Norman will explain to you {vocalsound} .Marketing: Mm hmm hmm hmm hmmhmm .Project Manager: And we will we will serve the charger with this ?User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Okay .Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah of course mm{gap} .User Interface: Th they {vocalsound} either these with the {disfmarker} uh the the charger anyProject Manager: With the remote control .User Interface:in either versions you they they ha they use the same charger yeah .Project Manager: Okay so the price of the charger included in the {disfmarker}UserInterface: Uh it's a standard module so you should get it for a cheap price uh {vocalsound} .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}{vocalsound} Thank thank you {vocalsound} .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And so mm-hmm .User Interface: It's that samecharger that you can use for the hand-phone but uh again depends on the types . I think we have to investigate more on that , but {vocalsound}{disfmarker}Project Manager: The price should be below twelve and a half Euro .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah . YeahProject Manager: Well that's{disfmarker} so {disfmarker}User Interface: but as the Marketing Manager says , people is willing to {disfmarker} people are willing to pay more for good design.Project Manager: We have we have just {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah people are willing to pay more ,User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Marketing: but the company is not willing to invest more at the moment .Project Manager: The price of selling is twenty five Euros .UserInterface: Yeah . Yeah . Mm-hmm .Project Manager: And the price of production {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Alright please uhgo on Norman with the special features {vocalsound} .Marketing: Or uh {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah we'll we'll come up to that , the the the thing thatmakes this the controller cheap is that it is modular so you want more function you pay more . If you want less function i i if you want a reasonable price you payfor the functions that you add on to the system ,Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: so is uh modular .Project Manager: That's for this basis function and ifyou want more you pay more .User Interface: Yeah yeah ,Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: for example the L_C_D_ , you can take it you can put it"}
{"doc_id":"doc_21","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: So welcome . The first kick-off meeting . What shall we do ? First the opening , then the rest . What are we going to do . We m have to make anew remote control .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: It has to be original , trendy and user-friendly . So we will get back th on that . First wehave to make a functional design . After that we have to make a conceptual design , and then after that a detailed design . So we'll discuss that later . First wehave a look at {gap} . So first to {disfmarker} we have to make a small painting . What have {disfmarker} do we have to do . First you can save the documents .We have to do that every time we make something . You can print it . No . And we have to use {vocalsound} the pen and the eraser . So {disfmarker} Now . Weall have to use this one .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: You have to make your own favourite animal .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: So I'll make an example .Marketing: Yep .Project Manager: First don't touch that things .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} You can use the pen . And then you can make {vocalsound} um something .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Nice .Marketing: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um you can change some things .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um format , line , and changeit . {gap} {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} And you can change the colour .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:An elephant . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} So that's it . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So{disfmarker} So and after it you have to save it .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Now we can make a new one .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Youhave to paint now . {vocalsound} So you're next .Marketing: Oh . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: 'Kay .Marketing: Well we will try. Where it going ?Industrial Designer: {gap} .User Interface: Hmm . That's uh strange . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {gap} .Project Manager: What is goingon ?Industrial Designer: {gap} pop-ups .Project Manager: What are you {disfmarker} What ?Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {gap} .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: What is this , Pictionary .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Uh a bird .Project Manager: Isa {disfmarker} It is a {disfmarker} It is a {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Bird .Project Manager: A duck .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: So {disfmarker} Now save ?Project Manager: Yes .Industrial Designer: Yeah .ProjectManager: Hmm .Marketing: Now uh blank ?Project Manager: Blank , yes .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay next one .{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Okay . Let's try this . Uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Whoo .Marketing: Yeah , yeah.User Interface: {vocalsound} Um . Mm-hmm . Mm .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Oh not . Oh . {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay . Okay . Yeah . No problem .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Shithappens . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I'm not getting anything uh on my screen now . Okay .Industrial Designer: A parrot . Ish.Marketing: Wow . Oh .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: He did it before .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: No , no . Yeah . Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound} Nice.Project Manager: Very good .Industrial Designer: Oh .User Interface: Uh blank .Industrial Designer: Thank you .Project Manager: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . Very good . So um you can always go back . {gap} So{disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} That's it . So that was two . Now next . The budget . The b Uh we will sell the t at twentyfive Euros . And we have only twenty of twelve and a half Euro to make it . So {vocalsound} now we have to think about what we will make . First I wanna hearfrom you . Uh what are your experiences with remote controls . So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Uh I will start .Project Manager: F first {gap} .IndustrialDesigner: Uh {disfmarker} {gap}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Big one , they are uh not easy to use . Um I have one set and uh a remote control, when I dropped it , uh it broke . So that won't be uh our goal , I think .User Interface: No .Industrial Designer: And uh g big buttons , {vocalsound} m uh that'seasier to use than uh {disfmarker} I think . Not all the small buttons , you don't know {disfmarker}Project Manager: Is this positive or negative , that uh bigbuttons ?Industrial Designer: Big buttons , positive .Project Manager: Positive .Industrial Designer: All all small buttons like when you have uh like a hundredbuttons on your remote control , you won't know what they're working for .Project Manager: Okay . What are your experiences ?User Interface: Uh well I thinkthe the the goal of a remote control is that it's it it has an influence on the T_V_ set .Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: And that it controls the channels andthe the volume . And uh I I I think it's positive if there's a a LED uh uh a LED on the corner of the of the remote . So that you know it s it still has batteries on it{disfmarker} in it . And that if you push the button the LED uh gives a light , and uh and you see that it's working . And uh yeah . Uh {disfmarker}ProjectManager: So and do they always have that ?User Interface: Yeah , but {disfmarker} No no no . But I {disfmarker} my my experience is that it it it's convenientto have that .Project Manager: It's easy to you .User Interface: Yeah . Yeah .Project Manager: Okay . 'Kay .Marketing: Uh at home we have a T_V_ , a video uhrecorder , a D_V_D_ player , and a satellite receiver . We have uh four distinctive remote controls for that .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Thank you.Marketing: That's not really ea easy .Industrial Designer: Help also . {vocalsound} Thank you .Marketing: So it would be nice if we have one for all . And we alsohad a remote control for our radio set . But um i it it had a lot of buttons on it , and you didn't know which one was what . And it was uh uh v {vocalsound} noteasy to use . So we n barely used it .Project Manager: Okay so they have too much . So next .User Interface: Hmm .Project Manager: For our own remote controlwe have to think how do we make it . So what ideas do you have for it , for the new remote control ? What what does it have to have ? {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: The weight . Not not too heavy .Project Manager: Not too heavy . Yes .Industrial Designer: Not much buttons .Project Manager: Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: Bust-free . That when you drop it , it won't break . Like uh some kind of rubber on it . Or hard uh hard plastic . Uh buttons not too small . Uh somethinglike when you uh lose your uh remote control , sometimes it happen . Uh it between the couch and you can't find it .Project Manager: Yes .Industrial Designer:When you push a but a button on the T_V_ , then you hear some {gap} {disfmarker} uh some sort of bleep .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Likea phone .Industrial Designer: And then you uh , hey there there's remote control .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So ,Industrial Designer: Next .Project Manager: that's{gap} .User Interface: Yeah well that's {disfmarker} that are good ideas . Uh {disfmarker} Yeah well the LED on the corner , that that indicates that it's working. If you push a button . Um {disfmarker} Yeah . And looking on the budget , not too expensive uh material . So probably plastic or something . Uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah I think it uh {disfmarker} from a marketing point of view , it also has tolook nice . Or you won't sell it .Project Manager: Yes .Marketing: And um yeah uh on our website we can see what products we already have . And it should workwith as many uh as possible of them .Project Manager: Okay . This is {disfmarker} It has to be compatible with other things .Marketing: Yes .Project Manager:Okay .Industrial Designer: I have one more idea . Just popped up .Project Manager: Yes ?Industrial Designer: Uh it it won't take a lot of batteries . So you don't{disfmarker} won't have to change the batteries uh once a week or uh once every two weeks .Project Manager: No battery use . So more ideas ?User Interface:Mm no .Project Manager: No okay . It's only the first ideas . So {vocalsound} uh what are we going to do now is {disfmarker} Next meeting is in half an h hour .Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Okay . Next meeting , half an hour . Um , what you have to do . Well look on your {gap} . And {disfmarker} Next instructionsyou'll get in your email . So {disfmarker} This is the first meeting . See you later in half an hour .User Interface: Yes .Industrial Designer: Okay . Thank you.Marketing: Okay ."}
{"doc_id":"doc_22","qid":"","text":"Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and Education Committee. We've received apologies for absence from SuzyDavies, and I'm very pleased to welcome Angela Burns, who is substituting for Suzy this morning. We've also received apologies from Dawn Bowden. Can I alsowelcome Siân Gwenllian to the meeting? Siân is joining us from her constituency office via video-conference. Can I ask Members if they've got any declarations ofinterest, please? Hefin.Hefin David AM: Apologies. I'm currently registered as an associate lecturer at Cardiff Metropolitan University, although I haven't done anywork for them for some time.Lynne Neagle AM: Okay. Thank you very much. We'll move on, then, to item 2 this morning, which is our evidence session on thehigher education new academic year allocations. I'm very pleased to welcome David Blaney, who is chief executive of the Higher Education Funding Council forWales, and Bethan Owen, who is deputy chief executive of HEFCW. Thank you, both, for attending this morning. We're looking forward to hearing what you've gotto say. If you're happy, we'll go straight into questions from Members, and the first questions are from Angela Burns.Angela Burns AM: Good morning. Thank youvery much, indeed. I just wanted to talk about, really, the financial sustainability of the higher education sector because, as we know, there's been all sorts ofthings going on in the press. So, can I just start with, actually, quite a technical question and ask you what the financial indicators look like for the universitieshere in Wales, and are there particular indicators that are really flashing warning signals to you?Dr David Blaney: Well, shall I just start with a couple ofcontextualising comments and Bethan can come in then with some detail? It's undeniably the case there are financial challenges facing our universities. Theyresult from three main causes: one is the impact of the demographic dip of 18-year-olds, which is deeper and longer in Wales than it is elsewhere in the UK.There are increased pension costs and, actually, increased costs generally. And, of course, we also have current uncertainty as a result of the Augar review inEngland, and whether that might play into Wales, and also Brexit. These challenges are not unique to Wales; the majority of the UK universities are actuallytaking out cost one way or another. So, this is not a Welsh issue. Before the Diamond review of fees and funding in Wales, there was a pre-existing funding gap inresource between England and Wales, and even now, that's still the case. So, Welsh higher education institutions are approximately £40 million worse off thanthey would be in the English system. That's a challenge, and that is a result from a political decision to invest in students, and that's fine. The money's gone intothe system but it hasn't gone into universities, necessarily. So, these are serious challenges for institutions to manage, but I think it is a managed situation. We'renot seeing a crisis; we are seeing some real challenges, and there is a distinction, I think, between—. We have to understand, though, that taking out cost tobalance the books has a detrimental effect on the capacity. Obviously it impacts on the people who lose their jobs immediately, but there's a medium to longerterm impact on the capacity of the system to deliver for Wales. They are taking out capacity; they're not cutting at fat now, they're cutting out core capacity. Andso, the range of the curriculum, the range of research and innovation, the range of the contribution that universities can make will be diminished by that. Andagainst that backdrop, the introduction of the Diamond reforms is hugely important—delivery of that is going to be really important—and we are really pleased tosee the Minister able to meet her commitments in respect of that. The Diamond money is coming in. This forthcoming year will be the first year we see anincrease in the resource, through us, to higher education. And the projections in future years are better still, and that will be extremely important. Theperformance of the sector is very good; we had the national student survey results out yesterday. Wales is still the best in the UK, which is excellent. We have thebest impact from research in Wales across the UK. So, all of that is very positive, but that is also being done at some cost. There are some very tired staff inuniversities, and we've seen some stuff in the press recently about some of the impact of stress there as well.Angela Burns AM: Can I bring you back to thefinancial element of that? Can I just ask a question: what are the university reserves looking like at present?Dr David Blaney: Here, I refer to my learnedfriend.Bethan Owen: The reserves are a measure. There's a difference between the distributable reserves—I don't have those numbers before me, but looking atreserves, what is more important are those reserves that are available as cash or liquid cash. So, universities have reserves, but a large amount of that is tied upin their estates, so they're not immediately realisable. So, one of the key measures that we're looking at, which is even more important than surpluses anddeficit, is the operating cash that our universities are generating at the moment. When we look at operating cash in 2017-18, they were generating, as apercentage of income, about 7.6 per cent, which contrasts with nearly 10 per cent for the same year for English institutions. And that represents their capacity togenerate surplus cash to meet their costs, which now, increasingly, include the costs of servicing their borrowings. So, again, because capital funding has notbeen as available to universities as it was, they've invested in their estates and that's largely been funded by borrowings. The costs of those borrowings have tobe met on an annual basis, so that's becoming an increasing proportion of the operating cash that universities have.Angela Burns AM: I just asked that questionbecause I know that about four years ago, the universities were sitting on substantial reserves and were less than keen to deploy them back into actually usingthem for the students—it was more about building up the war chest, if you like, of the universities. And I just really wanted to have an understanding of how thatpicture might have changed over the last four years and are they actually skinnier cats now, rather than before.Bethan Owen: We can get you that analysis, buteven four years ago, I think the definition of exactly what's meant by reserves, it's really important to look at what are distributable reserves as opposed to theassets that universities have.Angela Burns AM: Yes, I do understand the difference.Bethan Owen: And, there are also differences in the way that universities havesecured funding for investing in their estates. So, for example, Cardiff University have had a bond rather than borrowing, which you draw down as you'respending. So, in the short term, the reserves of Cardiff will appear as though they have significant cash balances, but all of those are restricted for investment inthe estate and, over the next two or three years, will be utilised for that.Angela Burns AM: So, overall, you're painting a picture of a sector that's under asignificant degree of financial stress, and this is obviously using your key financial indicators. Do you monitor each and every university, or do you wait for themto come back and tell you what their situation is?Bethan Owen: We monitor, we receive forecasts, five-year forecasts, and we meet frequently with all ouruniversities now. It varies, depending on the risks of the universities, as to how frequently we meet, but we're actually meeting with every university becauseeven the forecast that we received last July, the changes, even in the 12-month period, are significant enough for us to need a better understanding of what thelatest position is. The forecasts, if I just run through—. We had a sector that, in 2017-18, had a deficit. Although it had a turnover and income of £1.5 billion,which had increased, nonetheless it had a small deficit of 0.4 per cent of income in 2017-18, which was an improvement on the deficit the year before of 1.7 percent, but notably, again, the sector in England were looking at surpluses of 3 per cent to 4 per cent in the same period. The forecasts that we had this time lastyear were indicating that, for 2018-19, we should have a sector that's roughly in a break-even position, but that has to be caveated with waiting for new forecastsin July, where there will have to be a reflection of the pension costs, and there have been significant changes in pension costs, both for the teachers' pensionscheme and the universities' superannuation scheme as well, and those will be significant costs that universities have to build into their forecasts at a time whentheir income, certainly their fee income, is not increasing, and that is the challenge.Angela Burns AM: Are we going to lose any universities in the next couple ofyears?Dr David Blaney: I don't think so. As I said earlier on, we're not seeing a crisis, we're seeing really challenging circumstances for institutions to manage. Atthe moment, our sense is they are managing them, so one of the things we try to do is to make sure that, insofar as we can see it, we are making sure that theinstitutions are alert to the challenges they're facing, and are actually engaging those challenges properly, and we are seeing that at the moment. So I think whatwe will see if the pressure continues unabated is more costs being taken out, so more jobs being lost, more capacity being lost, but that's not the same as fallingover. I don't see people falling over. There is always the possibility of structural change within the sector, and that might be one of the solutions that institutionsthink about, but it's not a policy position, and it's not always a good short-term response to crisis anyway, actually. But I think, as I say, we're in a managedsituation, but the challenges are quite acute. But I don't see an institution falling over in the foreseeable future.Angela Burns AM: When you talk about structuralchange, are you referring to the fact that certain offshoots or divisions might close? I bring this up because I'm the Assembly Member for Carmarthen West andSouth Pembrokeshire, and I have had multiple representations from students, and their parents, who are about to go to Lampeter and who've been told thatcourses are being restructured, there's a massive staff loss, and they have concerns about whether the three-year commitment they're about to make to a courseis going to be able to be sustained. So I am trying to drill down a little bit, because I think it's only fair for the students to know what they're up against, and alsoit's a bit like in the great depression—you can start a run on something, can't you? Because if enough people believe it, then suddenly enough people will stopgoing to what is an excellent little university, really top-quality in medieval literature, in archaeology. And I'm just talking about one, but I know there areproblems in other universities around Wales, so I just wondered if you could comment on that and also what processes you as HEFCW might have in place toprotect any student who does find themselves in a situation where their course appears to be disappearing before their eyes.Dr David Blaney: So, there's quite alot in that question, actually. Let me try not to forget any of the elements. First of all, your comment about causing a run is a serious consideration. So, if we look"}
{"doc_id":"doc_23","qid":"","text":"Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: {gap} .Project Manager: Right . Okay . Alright . Is everyone here ? {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} Yep . {vocalsound}User Interface: Yep .Project Manager: Okay . This is our conceptual design meeting . And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I'll justtake a few minutes and uh go through the previous minutes . Um then each of you will have your presentation , um and then we will need to make a decision onthe concept for the remote control . And then we'll have uh forty minutes for finishing up . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I'll go through the mee through theminutes first . Um , we just refreshed our our uh goal of making the finest remote control available .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} Um we decided that , or we know that we need to use company colours , company logo . Um {vocalsound} and our Marketing Expert uh gave ussome i uh information from interviews with a hundred different remote users . Um with some statistics that backed basically what we were thinking before .People thought their remotes were ugly , um um that remotes zap a lot . Um they only use uh a finite amount of buttons .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Um and that they often lose the {disfmarker} it's easy to lose a remote . Um which were all things we were thinking we would{disfmarker} wanna make it simple . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} And uh some sort of locator . Either a button or tracking device . Um {disfmarker} And thatit should look different than what's out there . Um {disfmarker} Kind of mixed mixed response on the speech recognition . The younger people said they wanted it, older people did not . Um uh I think we decided that um the expense was not necessarily worth it , and that it was probably a gimmick , that um wouldincreasingly wear on the consumers' nerves . Um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Then the User Interface Designer um explored some of the technical functions ofthe remote . Um the simple versus the um the complex . The simple one being better for a user , the complex better for an engineer . Um {disfmarker} Um andsome personal preferences that were found in that would be that it should be a user-oriented remote , something simple . Um and that we didn't wanna go with auniversal remote , because uh increasing cost and increasing complexity . Um we would just have a T_V_ remote . Um and that we should also focus on theappearance of the remote . Have it s be something that looks different . And finally our um Industrial Designer uh gave us a rundown of how the remote will work. Um from energy source , um uh what we would use . Batteries because we don't wanna have a a cable . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} How that would powerthe remote and the lamp . If we were to to have one . Uh um the user interface then would connect to a chip , {vocalsound} which would work with the infraredcontrols uh to send the signal to the T_V_ . Um {disfmarker} I believe then we came up with a couple of ideas for what we think the design of the remote will be .Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Um something that will fit into uh easily into someone's hand . {vocalsound} And with a , just a few buttons . Just the basics .And with a scrolling um function also . Okay and I will leave that , leave it at that . So {disfmarker} Marketing ?Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: We'rewatching trends .Marketing: Yep . Can I have your cable please ?Project Manager: I suppose that you can have this .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:Thanks . Okay so I was looking at trend-watching . Um unfortunately I wasn't given too much information . I was given a brief executive summary , and then anupdate on some recent fashion trends that we might like to look at . And then I'll just tell you some personal preferences that I got from that . Um okay the mostimportant finding was that the fancy look-and-feel seems to be twice as important to the users as the current functional look-and-feel design , which I think we'vekind of already discussed before . Um the second most important finding was that the remote should be technologically innovative . And again these are all thingswe've kind of already come up with on our own , but this just backs it up . And thirdly the remote would be easy to use . As far as fashion update , we've learnedthat fruits and vegetables will be the most important theme for cloths , shoes and furniture .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: So that might be a bitof a challenge to incorporate this into our remote , but we can try . Um and also , as opposed to last year , this year the material is expected to be spongy in feel .{vocalsound} Okay so from that um , as we've already said , we need to focus on a fancy look-and-feel . Um I think we've already discovered that it's kind ofhard to go away from the traditional rectangular design . But I think that , even if it's very subtle , we need to kind of trick our consumers , so they at least getthe idea that they're getting something that's new and modern and sleek and {disfmarker} Whether it's through the shape or the colours or all of that . Um fortechnologically innovative , we've talked about the tracking device . We brought up the idea of having two pieces , which we could discuss further . And Manuelhad suggested um the energy source and the user interface , discussing some of those , um that we could change a little bit . We need to keep it simple , havelimited buttons , which I think the two piece idea might be really beneficial for . {vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} we need to incorporate this fashion trend of fruitsand vegetables . I don't know , I mean I guess the two options are if we had our remote in the shape of a fruit or vegetable .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Abanana shape ?User Interface: Oh it was sort of banana shaped . {gap}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah . Right . Or with exterior designs . But my questionis , I mean the stereotypically speaking , you kind of picture males with their remote controls , and I'm not sure how they'd feel about having fruity logos on theoutside .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: So maybe we could have something that's somewhat removable , or I don't know , different options for female, male target groups . And then the spongy feel . I guess we could look at mobile phones and other technology that's out there . C and look at different types ofmaterial that {vocalsound} might please our users who want spongy-feeling remote controls . So that's that .Project Manager: So possibly like a uh ,IndustrialDesigner: Alright .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: sorry , just to butt in for a second . Possibly uh like a cover like they have for mobile phones?Marketing: That's what I was thinking yeah .User Interface: Those like , yeah , sort of spongy ones .Project Manager: You have one with a flag , and one with abanana and one that's a spongyUser Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yeah . So when you buy your remote you can buyProjectManager: feel to it . {vocalsound} You can {disfmarker}Marketing: various coverings .Project Manager: Mm various covers .User Interface: What's it called ? Custyou {disfmarker} {vocalsound} personalised , yeah .Marketing: Personalise your remote . {vocalsound}Project Manager: We could leave that to the coverdepartment . {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} {vocalsound} We all know they've got nothing to do all day .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: Okay . Why can't I see the {disfmarker} crazy . Um yeah I {disfmarker} talking about the interface concept and how the customerrelates to , will use the , consumer will use the actual device . Um so I've looked at some of the stuff I was sent , um , try and get some inspiration . But keep inmind that our own ideas that we had . Um I was sent some information from the company saying that they , the technology department have devised a newspeech recognition technology , where you can program questions into such devices . They gave an example of a coffee machine where you program a question ,you program the answer , and the machine responds accordingly . Um okay . There's different ways of a user can use products l like a remote . Um there's agraphical use , where you you look at pictures and well on a screen . A command line where you obviously type things in , and you get a response . Um and thenit ju that's just to point out the sort of inconsistent u sort of use of interface in remotes . You can't really see that picture well , but there's various differentremotes , once again with lots of different buttons on , making it more complicated .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: So , then I had a look atnew products that are on the market . Not necessarily remote controls but ones that you'll recognise . Um this is the voice , there is a voice recognition remotecontrol , which can control mus multiple devices . I have a {disfmarker} there is a picture {gap} . You surf your favourite channels uh with your voice . Store upto eighty speech samples , controls four devices , T_V_ , cable , satellite , V_C_R_ , D_V_D_ and audio . And you can record your own v verbal labels , that areconnected to remote control functions . So the technology is there . Um the one on the left is very similar to what we drew up on the board in the previousmeeting , where there {disfmarker} has scroll down functions on the side . You can sort of just make those out . And then on the right is obviously an iPod ,which is you know possibly one of the simplest things to use out there , and really is , and all that is is just a a nice big scroll menu that y you sort of go through .That is a {vocalsound} possibility . And nothing's simpler really . Um then there's things like this , which is a a a kid's remote , where the the parents have thefacility to control and program what children can watch before . So the remote control it o only allows them to access the channels that their parents want themto watch . And um it means that th children have a novelty of having their own remote control . So I don't know {gap} if there's a possibility of having oneremote contr you know like we just had two components , maybe it can have more components you know , different remotes . Um the point made at the endthere here is that you have to be sort of be {disfmarker} need to be clear on your um devices , as to what , you know , things you use . Sometimes an arrowpointing down , which may suggest volume down , could become confused just as a V_ for volume . Just little things like that , which would need to be made clearin the design . Um I think , d carrying on from what I've already said , a user friendly remote with minimum buttons . Maybe we've so suggested this two-partthing , where if it was to have a speech recognition thing , you could maybe control that on the {disfmarker} do it {disfmarker} or program all that on the controlbit . And then just have the simple sort of hand-held thing that we sort of devised earlier , as the actual remote . Um I don't {disfmarker} it could be a graphicaldisplay , the actual remote contr the actual control port maybe could have like an iPod where you just sort of control through the menus . Stuff like {gap} gets"}
{"doc_id":"doc_24","qid":"","text":"User Interface: Hmm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Good morning everybody .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Good morning .{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Good morning .Marketing: Good morning .Project Manager: So , we are asked to tomake uh uh a new remote control for television . And the characteristics of this new remote control should be original and trendy and of course user user friendly. So people can {gap} can use it without any any problem .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {gap} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: I don't know .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Well , Ithink we should set the the points to to drive the project and uhUser Interface: Mm . B did you send us an email about this ?Project Manager: Uh , not yet ,UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: but if you want {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah , we we received an email aboutthis uh d designs . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Do you want do you want me to send you a mail ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound} Ah it's Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Or {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Or you can put it in theshared folder .User Interface: Yeah , you see the email ? You {gap} email . The v very {disfmarker} no , no the first one .Marketing: No , I didn't get it .UserInterface: It's inside .Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker}Marketing: This one .User Interface: No , no .Marketing: No .User Interface: The third one . Oh , youdidn't get anything .Marketing: No , {gap} .User Interface: It's strange . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Mm . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {gap} .User Interface:I got an email about the dis about the discussion . Yeah .Project Manager: You get email , {gap} . {vocalsound}User Interface: I dunno from who .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah , from the account manager .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} From the account manager . You have received the sameemail , right ?Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: I think it's for your guys to {vocalsound} how to design it all the aspects so you needthat information .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah , I think so .User Interface: Yeah , so each of us has a role to do .Marketing: YeahProjectManager: SMarketing: {vocalsound} I think {gap} assign your uh roles .User Interface: In each {disfmarker}Project Manager: For each for each one .UserInterface: We already have our role .Marketing: For each person , yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound} 'Kay , we can {disfmarker}Project Manager: So there are{disfmarker} so we have three {disfmarker}User Interface: So there are three kinds of designs , that's all .Project Manager: f yeah . We have functional design ,conceptual design , and detail design .User Interface: Okay , alright . {vocalsound}Project Manager: So , who will be the the responsible for the functional design? Any any volunteer ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I think our uh responsibilities will be assigned when we {disfmarker} in our mail we received from theaccount manager .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah , yeah .Industrial Designer: UhUser Interface: I'm doing the interface .Project Manager: You are doingthIndustrial Designer: No , I'm doing the interface . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {gap} .User Interface: Are you using the {disfmarker} you are doing the in{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah I I'm I'm {disfmarker} Well , maybe we have {disfmarker} okay so I {gap} industrial design . It was a little confusionabout my uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Ah {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: but it's alright .Project Manager:Okay , I'll for industrial design .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay . And and you {disfmarker} Norman ?User Interface: Mm? Um working on i . {vocalsound} User interface . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: User .Project Manager: And {disfmarker} And {disfmarker}Marketing: Uh ,I'm into marketing .Project Manager: {gap} doing the marketing .Marketing: {gap} yeah nothing much in the project .Project Manager: Nothing related here tothe {disfmarker}Marketing: Marketing in this design .User Interface: Yes .Marketing: A design is basically for industrial design and the user interface .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}User Interface: You see the second mail ? Yeah , it's inside . Go down . Appendix .Marketing: Yeah , this is {gap} .User Interface: Seethere's a role for everybody .Marketing: Yeah , that's right ,User Interface: Even for the marketing .Marketing: first {gap} . {gap} us user define .ProjectManager: Next {gap} .User Interface: But look at your role , your marketing role .Marketing: There's a trend watching .Project Manager: I don't know .UserInterface: Yeah , that's your role .Project Manager: I {gap} .Industrial Designer: Well , I think we can have a little discussion about what has to be doneProjectManager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and what are your ideas about the {disfmarker}Project Manager: About the design or {disfmarker} Maybe we'lldiscuss this later , no ?Industrial Designer: Well , w we want to have a new re remote control for for T_V_ distribution I guess .Project Manager: Mm-hmm.Industrial Designer: So we have to {vocalsound} plan how how it would be developed and uhUser Interface: Mm .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: how wecan make it work {vocalsound} .User Interface: Yes .Marketing: I mean working remotes we already have . This will be something different from the otherremotes {disfmarker} remote controls .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: What we we have to keep in mind the {disfmarker} thesecharacteristics .Industrial Designer: Yeah , I dunno I {disfmarker}Project Manager: And of course it should not be very costly .Marketing: Yeah , that's right.Project Manager: So {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Well I Ithink that Norman and I would think about um the technical points and um we should discuss it in the next meeting , orUser Interface: Need to collect information. {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: About the {disfmarker} about what ?User Interface: Um . {vocalsound} I I'm part ofdesign , perhaps . Uh , what is most important in a {disfmarker} in a remote control ? What is the most important function aspect ? Uh .Project Manager: Youmean the external {gap} or {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Well , you have to make it work .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah of g of course .UserInterface: {vocalsound} That's alright .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} That's the {vocalsound} that's the big thing .Project Manager: {vocalsound}UserInterface: Yeah , it should be easy to work with .Project Manager: Yeah {gap} .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: We can thinkabout an interface with uh well {disfmarker}User Interface: Uh . We {disfmarker} maybe you can have a speech uh recognition interface . You just tell thetelevision I want {disfmarker} which channel .Project Manager: You won't {disfmarker}User Interface: Or or you can say for example , um {disfmarker}{vocalsound} I want uh to list all the programme tonight . Y you know {gap} , instead of {gap} uh remote control it's doing the {disfmarker} some searching foryou , so you don't have to look for the channel you want . Just say maybe I just want to press {disfmarker} I wanna have a button for all the movies tonight . Ora button for all the magazines , all the information {disfmarker} documentary tonight . And then you list a few , and I will choose from the list . So instead ofpressing the channel number , I am choosing the programmes directly . Yeah , that's one way of uh making it useful .Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah .ProjectManager: I I think if we include a lot of technology on the remote control it will be very costly .User Interface: No , because {disfmarker} no ,Project Manager: S{vocalsound}User Interface: it's not very {disfmarker} a lot . Th this information exists . For example you can get um {vocalsound} {disfmarker}ProjectManager: Like s uh you you you say we can use speech .User Interface: You can use uh {disfmarker} well for example {disfmarker} anything . {vocalsound} The{vocalsound} the idea of using speech to reduce the button , but uh and it's more natural . Yeah .Industrial Designer: I {disfmarker} I think if you want t tochoose uh from a list of programme or or something like that you you may have to to use uh w uh I dunnoMarketing: I'm a {disfmarker} okay .User Interface:Yeah . Yeah .Marketing: I mean the main uh function of remote control is to have something in the handProject Manager: In the hand .Marketing: and we shouldbe very careful about the size of the remote control .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: If we are going to add aspeech interface , I'm not sure with {gap} trendy slim size of the remote control it would be able to put a speech recogUser Interface: Yeah . Yes , possible.Marketing: if you want to put a speech recognition system f interface for that I think the T_V_ itself could have it .User Interface: Yeah . But{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: And I could talk to the T_V_ {disfmarker} television itself .Project Manager: Except if if you are far from theT_V_ .Marketing: I need not have an {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: I mean we have some {gap}or something , different technology but {disfmarker}Project Manager: This is {vocalsound} it's {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah , yeah . But th the main idea Iwanted to s I wanted to say is that um {vocalsound} there should be a function , instead of choosing the ch T_V_ channel , there's a option you can choose ,either T_V_ channels or or pr or the or the contain or the contents of the programme .Industrial Designer: On the content .Marketing: Mm-hmm , yeah .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah , yeah it's it's a good idea it's a good ideaProject Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: So it's more powerful . Yeah .Industrial Designer: but I Ithink that technically it would be um a little bit uh uh more tricky to to achieve this than just to {disfmarker}User Interface: No . No , because you see now all theT_V_ programmes are available on the webs . They they are {disfmarker} they are {disfmarker} they are available in X_M_L_ format or whatever the format .We don't care . We just say that this are some content . We just want to retrieve the content and then classi sort them by the types of programmes . Some of thewebsites they already provide this service ,Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah .User Interface: so we can just use the service available . Download it uh to the{disfmarker} to this remote control .Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: And then there's {disfmarker} there are only six buttons for six categories , or sevseven . The most there are only seven buttons . So I just choose the category one and you reuse the same button , for example to to choose among the the"}
{"doc_id":"doc_25","qid":"","text":"Postdoc A: OK .Grad G: How about channelProfessor C: Yeah , go ahead .Grad E: We 're recording .Grad G: Alright .Professor C: Alright , and no crash .PostdocA: Hmm .Grad E: I pre - crashed it .Professor C: Yeah .PhD F: Pre - crashed !PhD D: It never crashes on me .Grad E: I think it 's actually {disfmarker}PhD D:What is {disfmarker} what is that ?Grad E: it depends on if the temp files are there or not , that {disfmarker} at least that 's my current working hypothesis ,PhDD: Ah .Grad E: that I think what happens is it tries to clear the temp files and if they 're too big , it crashes .PhD D: Ah .PhD B: When the power went out theother day and I restarted it , it crashed the first time .Grad E: Oh , that 's right .PhD B: After the power outPhD D: So then there would be no temp files .ProfessorC: Yeah .PhD D: OK . {comment} Hmm .Grad E: Uh , no , it doesn't {disfmarker} it doesn't clear those necessarily ,PhD D: Oh wait {disfmarker} It {disfmarker}it doesn't clear them , OK .Grad E: so .Professor C: Hmm , no connection .Grad E: It 's {disfmarker} i they 're called temp files , but they 're not actually in thetemp directory they 're in the scratch , so . They 're not backed up , but they 're not erased either on power failure .PhD D: But that 's usually the meeting that Irecorded , and it neve it doesn't crash on me .PhD B: Well this wasn't {disfmarker} Actually , this wasn't a before your meeting , this was , um , Tuesdayafternoon when , um , uh , Robert just wanted to do a little recording ,Grad E: Oh well .PhD D: Oh {disfmarker} Oh , right .PhD B: and the power had gone outearlier in the day .PhD D: OK . Huh , OK .Professor C: I don't know when would be a good excuse for it , but I just can't wait to be giving a talk t and{disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and use the example from last week with everybody t doing the digits at once .Grad E: Yeah .Postdoc A: That was fun .ProfessorC: I 'd love to play somebody that .Postdoc A: That was fun .PhD D: It was quick .Professor C: It was . It was really efficient .PhD B: Talk about a good noiseshield . You know ? You wanted to pe keep people from listening in , you could like have that playing outside the room . Nobody could listen in .Professor C: Yeah.PhD D: Well , I had this idea we could make our whole meeting faster that way .Professor C: Yeah . Everybody give the reports about what they were doing atexactly the same time ,PhD D: And we 'll just all leave ,PhD B: And then we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll go back later and review the individual channels ,Professor C:yeah .PhD D: and {disfmarker}Grad E: Yep , and then everyone can listen to it later .PhD B: right ?Grad E: Yes . Absolutely .PhD B: If you wanna know what{disfmarker}Professor C: Actually isn't that what we have been doing ?PhD D: Yeah .Grad E: It 's what it sounds like .PhD B: Practically , huh . With all theoverlaps .Postdoc A: Yeah .Professor C: What are we doing ?Grad E: I {disfmarker} Since I 've been gone all week , I didn't send out a reminder for an agenda ,so .Professor C: Yeah , and I 'm just {disfmarker}Grad E: Do we have anything to talk about or should we just read digits and go ?PhD B: I wouldn't mind hearinghow the conference was .Professor C: What conference ?PhD D: Uh , I had one question about {disfmarker}Grad E: Yeah , really . It 's all a blur .PhD D: Aren'tthe UW folks coming this weekend ?Grad E: Yep .PhD F: No . The next ,PhD D: Next weekend ?Grad E: Next weekend , week from {disfmarker}PhD F: right?Professor C: That is right . The next weekend .PhD D: Sorry , not {disfmarker} not {disfmarker} not the days coming up , but {disfmarker}PhD F: It 's like the{disfmarker}Grad E: A week from Saturday .PhD D: Yeah ,Professor C: That 's when they 're coming .PhD D: within ten days .Professor C: That 's correct .PhD D:So , are we {disfmarker} do we have like an agenda or anything that we should be {disfmarker}Professor C: No , but that would be a good idea .PhD D: OK.Professor C: Why don't we wPhD F: So {disfmarker} so the deal is that I can , um , {vocalsound} uh , I can be available after , uh , like ten thirty or something .I don't know how s how early you wanted to {disfmarker}Professor C: They 're not even gonna be here until eleven or so .Grad E: That 's good .PhD F: Oh , OK .So {disfmarker}Professor C: Cuz they 're flying up that day .PhD D: Wait , this is on {disfmarker} on Sunday ?Professor C: Saturday .PhD D: Or Saturday?Professor C: Saturday .PhD F: Saturday .Professor C: S Saturday .PhD D: OK .Grad E: Well , yProfessor C: Yeah .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Grad E: Eurospeech is dueon Friday and then I 'm going down to San {disfmarker} uh , San Jose Friday night , so , if {disfmarker} you know , if we start nice and late Saturday that 's agood thing .Professor C: No , I mean , they 're flying up from {disfmarker} from {disfmarker}Grad E: Seattle .Professor C: down from Seattle .Grad E: They 'reflying from somewhere to somewhere ,Professor C: Yeah , and they 'll end up here . So b and also Brian Kingsbury is actually flying from , uh , the east coast onthat {disfmarker} that morning .Postdoc A: Excellent .Professor C: So , i I {disfmarker} I will be {disfmarker} I mean , he 's taking a very early flightPhD F: Oh.Professor C: and we do have the time work difference running the right way , but I still think that there 's no way we could start before eleven . It might end upreally being twelve . So when we get closer we 'll find people 's plane schedules , and let everybody know . Uh , So . That 's good .Grad E: But , uh , yeah maybean agenda , or at least some things to talk about would be a good idea .Professor C: Well we can start gathering those {disfmarker} those ideas , but then we{disfmarker} we should firm it up by next {disfmarker} next Thursday 's meeting .Postdoc A: Will we have time to , um , to prepare something that we{disfmarker} in the format we were planning for the IBM transcribers by then , or {disfmarker} ?Grad E: Oh yeah . Absolutely .Postdoc A: OK .Grad E: So haveyou heard back from Brian about that , Chuck ?PhD B: Yes , um , he 's {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 'm sorry , I should have forwarded that along . Uh ,{vocalsound} oh I {disfmarker} I think I mentioned at the last meeting , he said that , um , he talked to them and it was fine {disfmarker} with the beeps theywould be {disfmarker} That 's easy for them to do .Grad E: Great . OK . So , uh , oh , though Thi - Thilo isn't here , um , but , uh , I {disfmarker} I have theprogram to insert the beeps . What I don't have is something to parse the output of the channelized transcripts to find out where to put the beeps , but thatshould be really easy to do . So do we have a meeting that that 's been done with ,Postdoc A: He 's {disfmarker} he 's {disfmarker}Grad E: that we 've tightenedit up to the point where we can actually give it to IBM and have them try it out ?Postdoc A: He generated , um , a channel - wise presegmented version of ameeting , but it was Robustness rather than EDU so I guess depends on whether we 're willing to use Robustness ?PhD B: Well for this experiment I think we canuse pre pretty much anything .Grad E: Mm - hmm .Postdoc A: OK .PhD B: This experiment of just {disfmarker}Grad E: Well we had {disfmarker} we had talkedabout doing maybe EDU as a good choice , though . Well , {vocalsound} whatever we have .PhD B: Well we 've talked about that as being the next ones wewanted to transcribe .Grad E: Right .Postdoc A: OK .PhD B: But for the purpose of sending him a sample one to {disfmarker} fGrad E: Yeah , maybe it doesn'tmatter .Postdoc A: Great .PhD B: I {disfmarker} I don't think it mattePostdoc A: I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll , um , get {disfmarker} make thatavailable .Grad E: OK , and has it been corrected ?Postdoc A: Oh , well , wait . Um {disfmarker}Grad E: Hand - checked ? Cuz that was one of the {vocalsound}processes we were talking about as well .PhD B: Right , so we need to run Thilo 's thing on it ,Postdoc A: That 's right .PhD B: and then we go in and adjust theboundaries .Postdoc A: Yeah that 's right . Yeah , we haven't done that . I {disfmarker} I could set someone on that tomorrow .PhD B: Right .Grad E: And timehow long it takes .PhD B: OK .Postdoc A: I think they 're coming {disfmarker}PhD B: And we probably don't have to do necessarily a whole meeting for that if wejust wanna send them a sample to try .Postdoc A: OK . What would be a good number of minutes ?PhD B: I don't know , maybe we can figure out how long it 'lltake @ @ to {disfmarker} to do .Grad E: Um , I don't know , it seems to me w we probably should go ahead and do a whole meeting because we 'll have totranscribe the whole meeting anyway sometime .Professor C: Yes except that if they had {disfmarker} if there was a choice between having fifteen minutes thatwas fully the way you wanted it , and having a whole meeting that didn't get at what you wanted for them {disfmarker} It 's just dependent of how much{disfmarker}Grad E: Like I {disfmarker} I mean I guess if we have to do it again anyway , but , uhProfessor C: Yeah .PhD B: I guess , the only thing I 'm notsure about is , um , how quickly can the transcribers scan over and fix the boundaries ,Postdoc A: Mm - hmm .PhD B: and {disfmarker} I mean , is it pretty easy?Grad E: I think it 's gonna be one or two times real time at {disfmarker} Wow , excuse me , two or more times real time , right ? Cuz they have to at least listento it .Professor C: Can we pipeline it so that say there 's , uh , the transcriber gets done with a quarter of the meeting and then we {disfmarker} you run itthrough this other {disfmarker} other stuff ? Uh ,Grad E: Well the other stuff is I B I 'm just thinking that from a data {disfmarker} keeping - track - of - the -data point of view , it may be best to send them whole meetings at a time and not try to send them bits and pieces .Professor C: OK , so . Oh , that 's right . Sothe first thing is the automatic thing , and then it 's {disfmarker} then it 's {disfmarker} then it 's the transcribers tightening stuff up ,Grad E: Right .Postdoc A:Mm - hmm .Professor C: and then it 's IBM .Postdoc A: Mm - hmm , mm - hmm .Grad E: Right .Professor C: OK , so you might as well ha run the automatic thingover the entire meeting , and then {disfmarker} and then , uh , you would give IBM whatever was fixed .Postdoc A: And have them fix it over the entire meetingtoo ?Grad E: Right .Professor C: Well , yeah , but start from the beginning and go to the end , right ? So if they were only half way through then that 's what you'd give IBM .Postdoc A: OK .Professor C: Right ?PhD B: As of what point ? I mean . The {disfmarker} I guess the question on my mind is do we wait for thetranscribers to adjust the marks for the whole meeting before we give anything to IBM , or do we go ahead and send them a sample ? Let their{disfmarker}Professor C: Why wouldn't we s @ @ w i if they were going sequentially through it , why wouldn't we give them {disfmarker} I mean i are we tryingto get something done by the time Brian comes ?PhD B: Well I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I mean , I don't know .Grad E: That was the question . Though.Professor C: So if we {disfmarker} if we were , then it seems like giving them something , whatever they had gotten up to , would be better than nothing .PhDB: Yeah . Uh . That {disfmarker} I agree . I agree .Grad E: Well , I don't think {disfmarker} I mean , h they {disfmarker} they typically work for what , four"}
{"doc_id":"doc_26","qid":"","text":"Professor C: OK . So uh , he 's not here ,PhD D: So .Professor C: so you get to {disfmarker}PhD D: Yeah , I will try to explain the thing that I did this{disfmarker} this week {disfmarker} during this week .Professor C: Yeah .PhD D: Well eh you know that I work {disfmarker} I begin to work with a new featureto detect voice - unvoice .PhD E: Mm - hmm .PhD D: What I trying two MLP to {disfmarker} to the {disfmarker} with this new feature and the fifteen feature uhfrom the eh bus base systemPhD E: The {disfmarker} the mel cepstrum ?PhD D: No , satly the mes the Mel Cepstrum , the new base system {disfmarker} thenew base system .PhD E: Oh the {disfmarker}PhD D: Yeah , we {disfmarker}PhD E: OK , the Aurora system .PhD D: yeah the Aurora system with the new filter ,VAD or something like that .PhD E: OK .PhD D: And I 'm trying two MLP , one one that only have t three output , voice , unvoice , and silence ,Professor C: Mm -hmm .PhD D: and other one that have fifty - six output . The probabilities of the allophone . And I tried to do some experiment of recognition with that and onlyhave result with {disfmarker} with the MLP with the three output . And I put together the fifteen features and the three MLP output . And , well , the result are li alittle bit better , but more or less similar .Professor C: Uh , I {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm slightly confused .PhD E: Hmm .Professor C: What {disfmarker}what feeds the uh {disfmarker} the three - output net ?PhD D: Voice , unvoice , and siProfessor C: No no , what feeds it ? What features does it see ?PhD D: Thefeature {disfmarker} the input ? The inputs are the fifteen {disfmarker} the fifteen uh bases feature .Professor C: Uh - huh .PhD D: the {disfmarker} with thenew code . And the other three features are R , the variance of the difference between the two spectrum ,Professor C: Uh - huh .PhD D: the variance of the auto -correlation function , except the {disfmarker} the first point , because half the height value is R - zeroProfessor C: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . Mm -hmm .PhD D: and also R - zero , the first coefficient of the auto - correlation function . That is like the energy with these three feature ,Professor C: Right .PhD D:also these three feature .Professor C: You wouldn't do like R - one over R - zero or something like that ? I mean usually for voiced - unvoiced you 'd do{disfmarker} yeah , you 'd do something {disfmarker} you 'd do energyPhD D: Yeah .Professor C: but then you have something like spectral slope , which is youget like R - one ov over R - zero or something like that .PhD D: Uh yeah .PhD E: What are the R 's ?Professor C: R correlations .PhD E: I 'm sorry I missed it .PhDD: No , R c No .PhD E: Oh .PhD D: Auto - correlation ? Yes , yes , the variance of the auto - correlation function that uses thatProfessor C: Ye - Well that 's thevariance , but if you just say \" what is {disfmarker} \" I mean , to first order , um yeah one of the differences between voiced , unvoiced and silence is energy .Another one is {disfmarker} but the other one is the spectral shape .PhD D: Yeah , I I 'll {disfmarker} The spectral shape ,Professor C: Yeah , and so R - one overR - zero is what you typically use for that .PhD D: yeah . No , I don't use that {disfmarker} I can't use {disfmarker}Professor C: No , I 'm saying that 's whatpeople us typically use .PhD D: Mmm .Professor C: See , because it {disfmarker} because this is {disfmarker} this is just like a single number to tell you um \"does the spectrum look like that or does it look like that \" .PhD D: Mm - hmm .Grad A: Oh . R {disfmarker} R {disfmarker} R - zero .Professor C: Right ?PhD D:Mm - hmm .Professor C: So if it 's {disfmarker} if it 's um {disfmarker} if it 's low energy uh but the {disfmarker} but the spectrum looks like that or like that , it's probably silence .PhD D: Mm - hmm .Professor C: Uh but if it 's low energy and the spectrum looks like that , it 's probably unvoiced .PhD D: Yeah .Professor C:So if you just {disfmarker} if you just had to pick two features to determine voiced - unvoiced , you 'd pick something about the spectrum like uh R - one over R -zero , um and R - zeroPhD D: Mm - hmm , OK .Professor C: or i i you know you 'd have some other energy measure and like in the old days people did like uhzero crossing counts .PhD D: Yeah , yeah .Professor C: Right . S SPhD D: Well , I can also th use this .Professor C: Yeah . Um ,PhD D: Bec - because the resultare a little bit better but we have in a point that everything is more or less the similar {disfmarker} more or less similar .Professor C: Yeah . But umPhD D: It 'snot quite better .Professor C: Right , but it seemed to me that what you were what you were getting at before was that there is something about the differencebetween the original signal or the original FFT and with the filter which is what {disfmarker} and the variance was one take uh on it .PhD D: Yeah , I used this too.Professor C: Right . But it {disfmarker} it could be something else . Suppose you didn't have anything like that . Then in that case , if you have two nets , Alright, and this one has three outputs , and this one has fPhD D: Mm - hmm .Professor C: whatever , fifty - six , or something ,PhD D: Mm - hmm .Professor C: if youwere to sum up the probabilities for the voiced and for the unvoiced and for the silence here , we 've found in the past you 'll do better at voiced - unvoiced -silence than you do with this one . So just having the three output thing doesn't {disfmarker} doesn't really buy you anything . The issue is what you feed it .PhDD: Yeah . Yeah , I have {disfmarker} yeah .Professor C: So uhPhD D: No {disfmarker}PhD E: So you 're saying take the features that go into the voiced -unvoiced - silence net and feed those into the other one , as additional inputs , rather than having a separate {disfmarker}Professor C: w W well that 's anotherway .PhD D: Yeah .Professor C: That wasn't what I was saying but yeah that 's certainly another thing to do . No I was just trying to say if you b if you bring thisinto the picture over this , what more does it buy you ?PhD E: Mmm .Professor C: And what I was saying is that the only thing I think that it buys you is um basedon whether you feed it something different . And something different in some fundamental way . And so the kind of thing that {disfmarker} that she was talkingabout before , was looking at something uh ab um {disfmarker} something uh about the difference between the {disfmarker} the uh um log FFT uh log power uhand the log magnitude uh F F - spectrum uh and the um uh filter bank .PhD D: Yeah .Professor C: And so the filter bank is chosen in fact to sort of integrate outthe effects of pitch and she 's saying you know trying {disfmarker} So the particular measure that she chose was the variance of this m of this difference , butthat might not be the right number .PhD D: Mm - hmm . Maybe .Professor C: Right ? I mean maybe there 's something about the variance that 's {disfmarker}that 's not enough or maybe there 's something else that {disfmarker} that one could use , but I think that , for me , the thing that {disfmarker} that struck mewas that uh you wanna get something back here , so here 's {disfmarker} here 's an idea . uh What about it you skip all the {disfmarker} all the really cleverthings , and just fed the log magnitude spectrum into this ?PhD D: Ah {disfmarker} I 'm sorry .Professor C: This is f You have the log magnitude spectrum , andyou were looking at that and the difference between the filter bank and {disfmarker} and c c computing the variance .PhD D: Yeah . Mm - hmm .Professor C:That 's a clever thing to do .PhD D: Mm - hmm .Professor C: What if you stopped being clever ? And you just took this thing in here because it 's a neural net andneural nets are wonderfulPhD D: Mm - hmm .Professor C: and figure out what they can {disfmarker} what they most need from things , and I mean that 's whatthey 're good at .PhD D: Yeah .Professor C: So I mean you 're {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker} you 're trying to be clever and say what 's the statistic thatshould {disfmarker} we should get about this difference but uh in fact , you know maybe just feeding this in or {disfmarker} or feeding both of them inPhD E:Hmm .Professor C: you know , another way , saying let it figure out what 's the {disfmarker} what is the interaction , especially if you do this over multipleframes ?PhD D: Mm - hmm .Professor C: Then you have this over time , and {disfmarker} and both kinds of measures and uh you might get uh something better.PhD D: Mm - hmm .Professor C: Um .PhD E: So {disfmarker} so don't uh {disfmarker} don't do the division , but let the net have everything .Professor C: That's another thing you could do yeah . Yeah .PhD D: Yeah .Professor C: Um . I mean , it seems to me , if you have exactly the right thing then it 's better to do itwithout the net because otherwise you 're asking the net to learn this {disfmarker} you know , say if you wanted to learn how to do multiplication .PhD E: Mm -hmm .Professor C: I mean you could feed it a bunch of s you could feed two numbers that you wanted to multiply into a net and have a bunch of nonlinearities inthe middle and train it to get the product of the output and it would work . But , it 's kind of crazy , cuz we know how to multiply and you {disfmarker} you 'd beyou know much lower error usually {vocalsound} if you just multiplied it out . But suppose you don't really know what the right thing is . And that 's what thesesort of dumb machine learning methods are good at . So . Um . Anyway . It 's just a thought .PhD E: How long does it take , Carmen , to train up one of thesenets ?PhD D: Oh , not too much .PhD E: Yeah .PhD D: Mmm , one day or less .PhD E: Hmm .Professor C: Yeah , it 's probably worth it .Grad A: What are{disfmarker} what are your f uh frame error rates for {disfmarker} for this ?PhD D: Eh fifty - f six uh no , the frame error rate ?Grad A: OPhD D: Fifty - six I think.Professor C: Is that {disfmarker} maybe that 's accuracy ?PhD D: Percent .Grad A: Fif - fifty - six percent accurate for v voice - unvoicePhD D: The accuracy .Mm - hmm . No for , yes f I don't remember for voice - unvoice ,Grad A: Oh , OK .PhD D: maybe for the other one .Grad A: OK .Professor C: Yeah , voiced -unvoiced hopefully would be a lot better .PhD D: for voiced . I don't remeGrad A: Should be in nineties somewhere .PhD D: Better . Maybe for voice - unvoice.Grad A: Right .PhD D: This is for the other one . I should {disfmarker} I can't show that .Grad A: OK .PhD D: But I think that fifty - five was for the {disfmarker}when the output are the fifty - six phone .Grad A: Mm - hmm .PhD D: That I look in the {disfmarker} with the other {disfmarker} nnn the other MLP that wehave are more or less the same number . Silence will be better but more or less the same .Professor C: I think at the frame level for fifty - six that was the kind ofnumber we were getting for {disfmarker} for uh um reduced band width uh stuff .PhD D: I think that {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think that forthe other one , for the three output , is sixty sixty - two , sixty three more or less .Grad A: Mm - hmm .Professor C: That 's all ?PhD D: It 's {disfmarker} Yeah.Professor C: That 's pretty bad .PhD D: Yeah , because it 's noise also .Grad A: Oh yeah .Professor C: Aha !PhD D: And we haveProfessor C: Aha ! Yeah . Yeah .OK .PhD D: I know .Professor C: But even i in {disfmarker} Oh yeah , in training . Still , Uh . Well actually , so this is a test that you should do then . Um , if you"}
{"doc_id":"doc_27","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay . Hi Team . Hope you had a good lunch .Marketing: {gap}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay we're back for the conceptual designmeeting . Um let's get started . 'Kay , here is the agenda for today's meeting . Um we're gonna open it and I'm gonna keep the minutes as Project Manager .We're gonna have three presentations , one from each of you again . And then we are going to come to decision on the remote control concepts and then we'regonna close it up . And we have forty minutes again . 'Kay , and just to reiterate um after this meeting the team will reach a decision on the concepts of theremote control . Okay . Let's go ahead and start off with your presentations . Who would like to go first ?Industrial Designer: Just trying to move mine right now.Project Manager: Okay . Um Courtney would you mind starting us off ?Marketing: Yeah {gap} .Project Manager: Okay . Trend watching ? 'Kay .Marketing: Yeah .Okay , so trend watching . Uh since we do put the fashion in electronics , it is kind of important how our product looks . So I guess we can go ahead and go to thenext . So what they want . Right now customers want fancy versus functional . Um basically about fifty eight percent of what they {disfmarker} like of theproduct that they want , describing like the {disfmarker} in order of how much they want , fifty eight per cent of the decision of what it should look like , fancyversus functional , and then it has to also be technologically innovative , and yet easy to use . So the customer basically is confused . They don't know exactlywhat they want . They want us to tell them . {gap}Industrial Designer: They want everything , but simply .Marketing: Yes . Exactly .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Okay .Marketing: So we can go to next .Project Manager: Mm 'kay .Marketing: Okay . So in Milan and Paris recently the trends have been showingthat clothing , shoes and furniture are basically just covered with fruits and vegetable patterns .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: So I don't know if we want to go with that um and also the spongy feel is in in contrast to last year . I don't know really , I mean I guessthe spongy could relate to the buttons if we want toProject Manager: Mm . Mm .Marketing: rather than like a hard clicky button that you find on like some mobilesand stuff , you'd want like a softer touch . I mean do you guys know what I mean .Project Manager: Right . Yes .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} YeahthMarketing: Yeah . Um . But as for the fruits and vegetable patterns , I don't know if we really want to go with that , because it is just a trend ,Project Manager:Right .Marketing: and our product we want to stay around for much longer than just a few months ,Project Manager: Right . People don't buy a new remote everyso often .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I I can {disfmarker}Marketing: because {disfmarker} Yeah . I mean that could just be a Spring thing right now.Industrial Designer: I can address some of that issue , I think , with uh my presentation .Marketing: Okay . Awesome .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Um sodesign preferences , um we need easy to read like large buttons , clearly labelled so that , I mean 'cause we talked about that being a problem . Um and then alsobuttons illuminating upon touch , you said that in your design , with the bulb . Um and that could also tie in with the colour scheme . Uh we need the RealReaction logo and colour scheme obviously . That's one of our key goals , we wanna promote our product .User Interface: {gap}Marketing: And I was thinkingabout different types of designs and I came up with something . Actually right here . So what we could do is something like an old-fashioned telephone like this ,where we put the buttons around , like we'd put a big on-off button or something else in the middle , I mean it could be the arrows or whatever for channel upand down , and then put the numbers around in like an old-fashioned dial shape . 'Cause then it'll appeal to older generation and like said retro's cool . So it'sclassically retro .Project Manager: Hmm .Marketing: So I mean that's just an idea if you guys like it .Project Manager: Very good . I like it . {vocalsound} Okay ,ready for the next slide ?Marketing: {vocalsound} And , yep . And that's it . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Op mm 'kay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay.Project Manager: Great . Great presentation . Ready ?User Interface: Okay hang on .Project Manager: 'Kay .User Interface: See if it's there .{vocalsound}Project Manager: Which one is it ?User Interface: {vocalsound} I don't know . Hang on .Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: Interface concepts ,no ?Project Manager: Interface concepts new .User Interface: Either refresh it , or it sh {disfmarker}Project Manager: YUser Interface: Oh wait , maybe I didn'tput it there . Hang on .Project Manager: 'Kay .Industrial Designer: Mine will always read copy of something or other .Project Manager: Sorry ?Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} I I copied mine before I sent it over .Project Manager: Oh okay .User Interface: Sorry , hang on . Don't know {gap} .Project Manager: Oh there wego .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: Okay , um {vocalsound} looking at the interface concept , it's gonna be mostly examples ofpossibilities of where we can go with this . Uh if you wanna start the next slide .Project Manager: Sure .User Interface: Um uh can't really see , but there's twopossible ways , on the r left , if you see on th on the sides of of the remote , you have the sort of scroll down , so you have that option right there . And then alsothere's the idea of the base . That's sort of like an idea there . And then on the right , we have what's really big trend right now , it's the iPod . It's becomingreally {gap} and so you have this sort of very very simplistic menu section uh with the round buttons , and it's sort of like you have the both {gap} kind of trendyand hip , but also very sleek and um and very simple , but technologically advanced . So if you wanted to do that th if we could find a way of sort of like{vocalsound} using that idea in a remote control then sort of look into it , but {disfmarker} Anyway , next .Project Manager: Mm 'kay .User Interface: Um there'sthe idea of like being able to do it by feel as well as by um by sight . You'd you know you're in the dark , you don't wanna be looking at the remote control . Andthe picture particularly is pointing out if you look at the top volume button it's a V_ , and so yo you're kind of feeling a V_ like volume up . What it really is is a V_and what it you think it is is down , because the down arrow .Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: And so it's like a sort of a criticism you'd probably turn that othe other way up . Um but then you have {disfmarker} you could either do it by raised type , which could be you know , iffy , um sort of old-fashioned in a way.Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: Either that or just have it by shape , for example you have a specific triangular shape that you know you're looking at theup and down arrow . And then the round ones you sort of feel by , you know , that's the second one down , that sort of thing . So it's sort of looking into how wewanted t to do it by feel .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Okay . Um this is sort of an example of going for a s certain demographic . Um this is particularlygeared towards children .Marketing: That's cute .Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: Um it's very cute , and we could probably change it to yellow , brightyellow for like a the for the company logo . Um and you have the shapes and it's very simplistic and friendly looking . Um and then the other thing that it wouldbe able to do is just to pro be ab you program certain {disfmarker} {vocalsound} channels that only these children would watch , so it's like they ch watch , youknow , the C_ Beebies or something like that ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: uh keep them away from other channels . So that's like another arUm ,Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: I mean , these are three examples sort of looking at it . You have the wider section for the main controls there . Uhyou could see how many buttons there are . And then on the left you have an example of the round buttons , and a simpler design . On the bottom we probablywouldn't need that , because it's more for like a D_V_D_ {vocalsound} function which we are not gonna be using . Um . So again it's sort of like just give youideas and then down at the bottom you have the logos and that's where you could put the R_R_ , Real Reaction .Project Manager: 'Kay .User Interface: And thenfinally these are like the sort of same examples , but also some more , just possibilities that we could go with . None of them I'm particularly keen on by the way .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Hmm .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: No .User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} But it's sort of like just takingaspects out of that and saying , well out of this one we like , you know the round section of um , b or we'd like the the button size on this .Project Manager: Mm .Or I like , you know , the black finish or the silver finish or whatever .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Right .Marketing: I have four of those remotes.Project Manager: {vocalsound} Good lord .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . Ready ? Oh , yeah .Okay .User Interface: That's it .Project Manager: Great job .Industrial Designer: Okay , my turn .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay.Industrial Designer: Whoo .Project Manager: What's the title ?Industrial Designer: It'll be copy of component design .Project Manager: Got it .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah . Th that looks like it . 'Kay . So basic remote operation runs as follows , press button makes connection with the power source and the rest of thecircuit , chip senses the connection , chip produces a morse code infra-red signal , specific to that button . So you press the button , it produces uh a signal that'sencoded specifically for that button . Transistors amplify that signal and it goes to the T_V_'s centre , which interprets the signal response accordingly , changeschannel etcetera . So that being said {disfmarker} Next slide , please . Findings oh which were the required materials for the basic internal construction , so allthe really simplistic functions that we just discussed , we need rubber for buttons , aluminium for battery y contacts , integrated circuit which consists of a diode ,transistor , resonator , resistors , and a capacitator , all those basic things that make a circuit function . Um fibreglass and thin copper wire to create the actualcircuit board itself . An L_E_D_ , which is a light emitting diode , um contact discs for the buttons , plastic for the casing , and a power-source , whateverpower-source we've actually determined we want . Next slide , please . Thank you . Uh personal preferences , uh to save money for the components , the remoteshould be mass-produced and basic materials should be bought en masse . Um if we find another company who can produce the required chips , casing , L_E_D_, any additional materials we decide we require at a less expensive rate than we ourselves are producing , we should go for it . {vocalsound} Next slide , please .Um just talking to the um manufacturing division . They suggested power options , solar cells , hand dynamo , and kinetic power , so you shake it and it increases"}
{"doc_id":"doc_28","qid":"","text":"Marketing: {vocalsound} Hello . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {gap}Marketing: {vocalsound} Dang it .Project Manager: {vocalsound} And then you have toplace your laptop exactly on the marked spot .Marketing: Alright .User Interface: {gap}Project Manager: It's important to place your laptop exactly on themarked spot over here .User Interface: Okay . No , that's okay . Joost , your mouse .Marketing: What ?User Interface: No mouse needed ?Marketing: I've got atouch-pad .User Interface: Mm .Marketing: Do you know how how I can wake it up ?User Interface: A touch-pad ?Marketing: No , my laptop .User Interface: Slapit .Marketing: {vocalsound} You with your brilliant ideas . I don't know if I can touch the power button . Do you know how how I can wake it up ?User Interface:Is {disfmarker}Project Manager: No . Yeah . Try the power button .Marketing: Oh .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Come on , move it .User Interface:Um {disfmarker}Marketing: Now , wake up , bitch .Project Manager: Huh .User Interface: F_ five . F_ five {gap} .Industrial Designer: I've lost my screen . Uh{disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah , so did I .User Interface: I don't .Marketing: I closed it . That wasn that wasn't very smart , I guess .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Come on . Get back to me . Yes .Industrial Designer: Yes .User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: I closed the {disfmarker}Marketing: I closed it .User Interface: You've got your name . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah , my name is name.Marketing: No , I didn't restart it , I just closed it . Yes .User Interface: Hope it working .Marketing: Alright .Industrial Designer: No .User Interface: Never closeyour laptop .Project Manager: Yeah ? Everybody's ready ?User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Great . Thanks .Project Manager: Great . Well , welcome to the kick-offmeeting . I uh forgot to put my name over here , it's uh {vocalsound} it's Martin . Uh , so you all know .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well , this isthe agenda for today . Well , the opening is what I'm doing right now .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh , we gonna do some acquaintanceacquaintance things . Uh give some um examples of the tool training , project plan discussion and the closing . We have twenty five minutes . Okay , the projectaim is to design a new remote control .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Uh , some of the {vocalsound} oje objectives are that is has to be original , trendy, and user-friendly . So now we all know what ourUser Interface: Okay .Project Manager: goal is . Um , I {disfmarker} oh forget {disfmarker} I forget the wholeacquaintance part , but we we all know each other . We all know each other's names . Joost , Guido , Antek .User Interface: What is your name ?Marketing: Yes.Industrial Designer: Yes . Antek .User Interface: Antek Ahmet . And Joost . {gap}Project Manager: Okay . I think we uh al already uh been through that part.User Interface: Okay . Yeah .Project Manager: Okay , it consists of uh three levels of design . Uh we begin with the functional design , then we go to theconceptual design and the detailed design . Every uh level of design consists of some individual work , and we uh close it with a meeting . You all received anemail with a example of our explanation of what uh the particular level of design uh means to the different uh functions , and uh you p you probably read thatalready , so I don't have to tell you about that .User Interface: Yes .Marketing: Yes .Project Manager: Okay , first we're gonna um uh gonna try some differentthings with the tools we have over here , so you get acquainted with these uh um uh meeting tools . We have the smart-boards , uh the thes those two boards .This is the presentation boards , wh which one I'm using right now . You can uh um {disfmarker} there's a document folder called um the sh {vocalsound} shareddocument folder . You can upload your uh documents to that folder and then you can open them over here , so you can do your PowerPoint presentations on thisscreen . We also have the white-board . Uh , we're gonna skip through thUser Interface: Can we see the white-board on our laptops ?Project Manager: No , no .Just on the on the screen over there .User Interface: No , I saw I saw the file , the smart-board that X_B_K_ but {disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh , no . Probablyis , but I don't know if the software is on the laptop {gap} . Is is {disfmarker} if it's mainly a thing for in the meeting , so I don't think it's {disfmarker} I don'tknow if it's important .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: This an explanation of the smart-boards . There is a tool-bar over here . It's quite simple . Youhave the the pen function , eraser function . It's like a very simple uh paint application . Uh , we {disfmarker} well , we use the same file during uh the whole day, and uh you can make new sheets by uh by pu puttin pressing on the blank button . It works like this . Oh . {vocalsound} If pen is selected , yes .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh , no no .User Interface: With that pen ?Project Manager: It's not {disfmarker} But it is pen . It's notworking like a pen yet .User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: Huh . Huh .User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: It's doing some stuff now . So you can use a pen.User Interface: Little bit slower .Project Manager: You can use an eraser . And you can make new uh fi uh new blanks , and you can change uh the line width andthe colour of the pen by pressing on forward , which y you have to select pen format . And then select current colour or line width . So , it's quite easy . Uh well ,now you're all uh acquainted with the different tools . Right , we're gonna try out the electronic white-boards . Uh , every participant should draw his favouriteanimal and some of its favourite characteristics ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: on blank sheets with differentcolours , with different pen widths . Uh , I'll start off then . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I'll use this uh same sheet . Alright . Oh , letme think . Different colours . Oh .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well , I'm gonna draw um a p piranha . Uh , a fish .User Interface: {vocalsound}piranha . Okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Mm-hmm . I'm gonna use some different colour {gap} now .User Interface: Oh .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Some {disfmarker} a littlewhite . Looks like a fish . Think it is . Oh .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh . {vocalsound} Uh , colour . This is black ? I think so .User Interface:Yellow {gap} {disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh . Oh , this is just uh {vocalsound} useless uh drawings but {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Oh teeth . I need teeth . {vocalsound} Well , they're not supposed to be green , or whatever colour this is .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface:Hmm .Project Manager: Okay . What was uh {disfmarker} I have su to sum up its favourite characterisUser Interface: Different .Project Manager: Well , I like itsuh sharp {disfmarker} razor sharp teeth . {vocalsound} Plus , uh the the big uh forehead and uh a small uh , well a small actual face . And I like its overall uhaggressive look and {disfmarker} Well , that's what I like about uh piranha . I think that's kind of what uh the intention should be .User Interface: Okay .ProjectManager: Well , who wants to be next ?Marketing: Nobody , I guess . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} I will try . Yeah . I will try . Uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: You go , Guido ? Okay . Uh , make a new sheet . Uh , it's by pressing on blank .User Interface: Blank ?Project Manager: Yep .UserInterface: Okay . Then pen again ?Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yep .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: And uh {disfmarker} so in the formatmenu you can choose the different uh colours and uh pen widths .User Interface: Okay , um {disfmarker}Marketing: Format .User Interface: {gap} control . Uh{disfmarker} Ah , purple . Um , I don't know what my uh favourite uh animal is ,Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: but the easiest animal I can think is is abird .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Uh I will {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} You know , I thought of that actually .User Interface: That's my bird . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yeah ?Marketing: Yeah.User Interface: Isn't it quite {disfmarker} it's a little bit light .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: Uh , another colour maybe . A red one .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: A small one . Uh , line width . Two ? Three . Ohthat's okay . That's another one .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Well , tell us something about uh your favourite characteristics of theseuh particular birds .User Interface: {vocalsound} Ano {vocalsound} Uh {vocalsound} uh {vocalsound} it's a {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: Its simplicity .{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah , it's uh the most simple uh animal I know , I think .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Um , I don't know . Maybe because uh there's there's some s uh free uh maybe inthe sky or something like that .Project Manager: Oh , okay . Okay .User Interface: Maybe a little bit . Yeah . I don't know .Project Manager: Okay . No , uh it'sclear .User Interface: So {gap} more uh birds ?Project Manager: N no {vocalsound} no .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: We get your point . Okay . Who wants to be next ?User Interface: {vocalsound} {gap} Okay , {vocalsound} okay , {vocalsound} okay .Marketing:{vocalsound} Yeah , whatever . I'll go next .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Thanks .User Interface: MMarketing: I haven't got a favourite animal too ,so {disfmarker}User Interface: Pictionary . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Oh . {vocalsound} What should I draw ?Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh .User Interface: A cow .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound} Okay .Marketing: Thank you ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: I'll draw a penguin . {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound} I'll drawa penguin . Whatever . I can't draw , so you can start to laugh already .Project Manager: {vocalsound} I'll do so . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: Whatever . Something like that .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: Come on.User Interface: Yeah , it's little bit hard .Marketing: Mm hmm hmm , orange .User Interface: Orange , of course .Marketing: Whatever .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Oh , {vocalsound} it's better than your bird .User Interface: {gap} Uh yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:Everything's better than your bird .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound} True .Marketing: Whatever .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Hey ,"}
{"doc_id":"doc_29","qid":"","text":"User Interface: Oops .Project Manager: So , hello everyone . {vocalsound} We're here to have a kick-off meeting for the design of a {disfmarker} f for thebeginning of new project um {vocalsound} uh remote control for the design for a new remote control {vocalsound} . I'm the Project Manager Christa Pavlov and{vocalsound} okay let's begin . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} So I'm first going to do an opening then we get used to oneanothers and we speak about this tool we're going to design and try to make a project plan , some discussion and then we talk of uh the next meeting . So um wewant to to do a new remote control . It has to be original , trendy and user friendly .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um I think the important points wehave to t talk about are uh it's functional design , it's conceptual design , and desail detailed design . {gap} and for that we're going um all to work individuallyand then have meeting during the whole day . Um , so {vocalsound} let's try the whiteboard {vocalsound} .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Wow .{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um so any of you who want to go .User Interface: Yeah , for favourite animals .Project Manager: {vocalsound}UserInterface: It's gonna be not my favourite one but the one I can draw .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound} And it's gonna be {disfmarker} you'll try to guess .Marketing: Wow . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Complex .Project Manager: Wow .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Huh ? A cat .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: No . {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}User Interface: No . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: No . Darn . {vocalsound} Uh .Project Manager: A rabbit .UserInterface: Yes , that's a rabbit .Project Manager: {vocalsound} A rabbit .User Interface: That's my favourite one .Marketing: A what ?Industrial Designer: Rabbit.Marketing: A r a rabbit , oh oh yeah , where is the carrot ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} That's it .Marketing: Okay{vocalsound} mm-hmm .Project Manager: You want to go ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: I am not very good at uh {vocalsound} this kind of stuff.User Interface: Hmm . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: My favourite animal is {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} You waMarketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Wow . {vocalsound}Project Manager: A humanIndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Marketing: Guess .Project Manager: {vocalsound} ah .Marketing: {vocalsound} A human , yay . It's a very complex animal{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: No .Marketing: and um {disfmarker} yeah . Characteristics of thisthis animal is {vocalsound} dangerous . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm I think you'resupposed to , yeah .Industrial Designer: Is the white {disfmarker} okay .Project Manager: Hmm .Industrial Designer: I guess you can {disfmarker} {vocalsound}{gap} . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Wow . That's cobra .Marketing: Ah , a kind of uh snake ? Cobra ?Industrial Designer: Yeahuh not really .Marketing: Exactly {vocalsound} . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Small cobra . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}UserInterface: No , it just {disfmarker} small cobra , yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Is that a worm ? Or {vocalsound} {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing:Uh-huh . {vocalsound}User Interface: It's co c quite recognisable . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} What about you uh {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh yeah Christa Pavlov {vocalsound} Mm .Marketing: Christa ? {vocalsound}UserInterface: Christa {vocalsound} Christa .Industrial Designer: Chris . {vocalsound}Marketing: A fish . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm .User Interface: Hmm.Project Manager: Smiling fish {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: Smile fish . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay .Marketing: A smiling fish .{vocalsound} Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: So , w whiteboard is working ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah . {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound}Marketing: Good . {vocalsound} Next . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Next . Let's talk aboutmoney .User Interface: Just tr try to guess who is a User Interface Designer .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah , well . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} According to the drawings .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah , you're{disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Not me . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay .Project Manager: {vocalsound} So.Marketing: So . Twenty five Euro for a remote control .Project Manager: Yeah , mm that's the price we want to {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Hmm .ProjectManager: that's the aim for the price for the remote control .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: We aim to do {vocalsound} this profit . {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} On the international market .Marketing: {vocalsound} 'tis big number .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah. Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Yeah , we're to sell two million then .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Wow .Marketing: Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: Mm {vocalsound} for a production cost of mm twelve fifty Euros maximum . {vocalsound} 'Kay {vocalsound} . So any of you have experience inremote controls ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm yeah .Marketing: Uh yes , we have plenty at home .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} In fact , my daughter likes l {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound} remote controls .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} That {disfmarker}User Interface: Mm . To eat ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: To eat ? Yeah , mainly , andto break . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} So that could be a great um {vocalsound} application .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Remote controls children proof . Mm mm-hmm .Marketing: Mm-hmm . Yeah .User Interface: Children proof .Marketing:{vocalsound} Ye ye yeah .User Interface: Hmm .Marketing: So she likes uh buttons {vocalsound} which make click ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay.Industrial Designer: Yeah , pretProject Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: so {vocalsound} it has to click .Project Manager: So they have to be waterproof maybe?Marketing: It has to be uh wha {vocalsound} baby proof {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} 'Cause they eat {disfmarker} she ate it .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: yeah {vocalsound} but mainly it has to be very robustProject Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: becauseeven if she's not very tall she's uh {vocalsound} high enough so that uh when she throw it away it's uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Ah .Marketing: So it has to be very robust .User Interface: Okay , unbreakable .Marketing: Unbreakable , yeah.User Interface: Uh-huh .Industrial Designer: Yeah , we have some child lock or something , yeah .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing:And uh {vocalsound} it has to be nice looking ,Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: colourful , maybe {disfmarker}Project Manager: Colourful , yeah mm .UserInterface: Colourful ? That's not practical .Marketing: colourful , because uh nobody has colourful remote controlIndustrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: No ,that's a good idea .Industrial Designer: Yeah , it's always black or {disfmarker} yeah .Marketing: , they're always black , yeah ,Project Manager: Mm mm-mm.User Interface: No .Marketing: but this one could be I dunno , purple or bProject Manager: Yeah . {vocalsound}User Interface: But how gonna {disfmarker}okay , just uh but it's uh monochrome it's n it's not like {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah , yeah .Project Manager: No ,Industrial Designer:Yeah .Project Manager: because you think , why not .User Interface: Otherwise you will never find it .Marketing: One colour .Industrial Designer: Yeah.Marketing: Yeah , yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah even we can change colours , no ? Like the uhMarketing: Oh like the phones ,Industrial Designer: like thephones and these things we c yeah .Marketing: yeah , it could change colours , yeah .User Interface: Cool .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Atleast for children like one colour and {gap} . {vocalsound}User Interface: ChMarketing: Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Good idea .Marketing: Good.Industrial Designer: And it should be really {gap} small and {gap} .Project Manager: Small also ? Don't you think {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Huh not sobig like {disfmarker} yeah .Project Manager: No uh , not too much buttons or {disfmarker} mm .Industrial Designer: Yeah , not too much buttons and{disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} Should it be , y you know these uh remote controls where um they are what they call a universal ret remote controlProjectManager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: so y you can decide that now it's the remote control for the television , then it's the remote control for the the sound system , orfor your refrigeratorIndustrial Designer: Uh . Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yeah ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} whatever {vocalsound}Project Manager: that's {disfmarker}Marketing: I dunno if it's {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Or ifwe should have a targeted re remote control .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound} So colour , robustness , easy to use , size ,Project Manager: So , Ithink there's {disfmarker}Marketing: yeah , size matters , yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah . Colour , {vocalsound} size , shProject Manager: Soyou you think it's better if small than bigger .Industrial Designer: Yeah , maybe at least n not bigger than this I guess . {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm .UserInterface: Yeah , but without any extremes like n not of this size , not too large . Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: No , not too small , yeah.Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah , at least it should hold in your hand n properly , like {gap} .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Hmm .User Interface: Yeah , likea palm sized .Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound}User Interface: Just to hold it .Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: But uh what would bedifferent from this , from the others ? I dunno if {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Uh maybe we can change the colours that {disfmarker} at leastthe frame . Mm . S so then it depends {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah , at least the colour would be different .Industrial Designer: you are to {disfmarker}Project"}
{"doc_id":"doc_30","qid":"","text":"User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Okay , almost there .Project Manager: Okay . We'll sta I'll use the PowerPoint , I guess . How was that , was that fun?User Interface: Mm . Very fun .Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . Uh oh I've forgotten to mail you the minutes , but I willdo .Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Upsidaisy . {vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Um we{disfmarker}Marketing: E excuse me I forgot myProject Manager: Yeah .Marketing: copy . {gap}Project Manager: Alright , okay , yeah .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: He's gonna get his pen .User Interface: Oh right . Okay .Project Manager: Um {vocalsound} Will you guys first with your prototypeum before we get to the good news ?Industrial Designer: Yeah , there's good news ?Project Manager: Uh {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Oh.User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: we have budget problems .Industrial Designer: Oh . Cutbacks .Project Manager: I'm afraid you're all sacked . Oops.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I don't even have this on . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: {vocalsound}{vocalsound} Okay , have you got a presentation to make ?Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing: No , not mine yet .Project Manager: No . OkayIndustrialDesigner: Oh .Project Manager: so it's just your your show .Industrial Designer: Um maybe we should bring {gap} so that the camera can see {gap} . Yeah.Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Okay . Sure .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: We made three for you.Project Manager: Three ? Oh .User Interface: Um one's based on the banana , one's based on the tomatoProject Manager: Tomato ? What tomato ?{vocalsound}User Interface: and the other one is stMarketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I don't recall a tomato .{vocalsound}User Interface: Look . Oh yeah , well yeah , we had v some red left over .Project Manager: Ah I see , okay . {vocalsound}User Interface: So . Okay, so this is the um non to non uh no buttons one , or as mm few buttons as possible ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: mainly speak recognition . Theyellow there is the umProject Manager: Logo .User Interface: the slogan , yeah ,Project Manager: Okay , brilliant .User Interface: that we need to incorporate ,it's very simple . If you do need buttons , you can flip it over , and there's some there ,Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: um but mainly it's speechrecognition .Project Manager: Okay , so the buttons would be like , you know individual users , or {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .UserInterface: Yeah and {vocalsound} yeah they might project things onto the screen which you can do on there .Project Manager: Alright , okay .User Interface: MmI'm not sure about that . Um and this one is the one w more like the one w that we looked at earlier .Project Manager: Right .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah ,you guys can have a look at that if you want .Project Manager: That's groovy . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {gap}Marketing: Yeah . {vocalsound} Uh can Ihave {gap}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Well I like the feel of it , I like the feel of it .User Interface: Yeah , sure . Um that one is {disfmarker}Marketing: Ohsorry s {vocalsound}User Interface: Oh no , it's delicate .Project Manager: At Oh dear .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface:That's that's already got its stand that one . That's it stand .Project Manager: Alright , okay .User Interface: It does also lie flat , but that's the that yellow standthere represents the the charging stand .Project Manager: Okay , brilliant mm .User Interface: Um the black on the back is the slogan .Project Manager: Okay ,nice and obvious there {vocalsound} ,User Interface: Uh yeah , that {gap} {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Well , we did think of that.Project Manager: if it's standing up , I guess , yeah .User Interface: Yeah , if it's standing up it's it's on there , but also we're gonna have the company name onthe front , which is the little black kind of line in the middle .Project Manager: Oh right , okay , brilliant . Like that from its centre .User Interface: So um andthat's the um transmit the L_E_D_ thing . These are the s two scroll ones which we thought could be channel up and down and volume up and down . We n wereweren't sure about putting them there , because um i it's it kind of could get bashed .Project Manager: Where you're , yeah , uh were you're holding it kind of{disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah . Well , if you hold it , you can {disfmarker} you all can hold it , is {disfmarker} it does actually feel quite ergonomic ,ProjectManager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: if you've got small hands .Project Manager: Yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Okay .User Interface: {vocalsound} Um , obviously I don't think that's real sized {gap} .Project Manager: Yeah , okay .User Interface: It would have tobe a bit bigger .Project Manager: Yeah , scale model , yeah .User Interface: Okay . Um that's a speaker at the top , so you can speak into it like a littlewalkie-talkie as well for speak recognition .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Um and {vocalsound} um then the buttons . Yeah kind of self-explanatory, just buttons whenever you need them . Tried to keep it simple . Oh that's the charging base prongs at the bottom .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Alright ,excellent .User Interface: {vocalsound} We used those {gap} . And um then the big red button in the middle is the on and off one .Project Manager: Okay .UserInterface: It's not in the traditional place ,Project Manager: No .User Interface: but um it's quite an obvious place .Project Manager: It's out of the way as well , Isuppose , so . Excellent .User Interface: So {vocalsound} there we go and and um we have the banana-based one too .Industrial Designer: Oh yeah , yeah.Project Manager: Yep . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: This one is uh , I suppose for the younger audiences .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:A a more friendly type of {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay , {vocalsound} so so Barney the banana {gap} .Industrial Designer: Right , right . It's to uh inducemore television watching I suppose or {disfmarker}Project Manager: Ah excellent , just what we need .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: Say it for the camera .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Lo Sort of Loch Ness banana . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm-hmm.User Interface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Right , right .Project Manager: Cool {gap} yeah . Well , nice to have uh options at least .Industrial Designer: Yep. {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: 'Kay and {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} So are there any um improvements or issues or{disfmarker} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: It won't stand .Project Manager: Oh there are issues , oh there are issues .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Justlet it lie down , it wont stand . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um main problem that we have unfortunately being finance .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}User Interface: Oh .Project Manager: Uh , let's just enter in the um evaluation criteria .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Um {vocalsound} unfortunately the unit we are currently going to produce minus the extra scroll buttons , uh it's gonna cost us fourteen point six Euros.Marketing: Mm .User Interface: Oh .Project Manager: So we have toIndustrial Designer: What's on the uh on the left ? {gap}Project Manager: rea Sorry , I'veaccidentally highlighted somehow {disfmarker} Um . {vocalsound} There we go .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: Oh god , why is it doing that ?UserInterface: Ooh .Project Manager: There we go . {vocalsound} So basically , um in order to save our two Euros um I was thinking that we could have essentiallythe same shape , but just have it flattened .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Um .User Interface: More like a traditional remote control .ProjectManager: Yeah , I mean it's already got a kind of cool shape , so but it wouldn't have to be curved sort of in and out .User Interface: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm.Project Manager: And by doing so {disfmarker} Oh no , hold on . Doesn't save us quite as much . I don't know what's going on with this again .IndustrialDesigner: W why is the uh double curved two of them ?Project Manager: Oh , good point .Marketing: And double curve on both sides ?Project Manager: Um.Marketing: Curve {vocalsound} . Yeah , this is double-curve ,Project Manager: That's {vocalsound} sort of curve in and out .Marketing: no ?Industrial Designer:Is iMarketing: This is double-curve . It {disfmarker} This one is single curve .Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: 'Cause this is single curve , this is curved onboth sides . So double-curve .Project Manager: No , I think it means double curved as in umUser Interface: Like an S_ shape .Project Manager: like uh {gap} asingle curve on that bottom half , and the double curved would be if it was that similar curve upward .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: Okay , I might bewrong though .Marketing: Like this , one curve on this side , one curve on that side .Project Manager: I don't think that counts as a curve , I think that's just ashape .Marketing: Hmm . Hmm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: A curvature is like the {disfmarker} this case .User Interface: Okay.Marketing: Maybe .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} 'Cause that's the uh the biggest expense there , right .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: {gap}got two of them {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah , and why why I've got it two , I don't know , I can't seem to select any more however .Industrial Designer:Okay . Well we can work around that um {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Right . No.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Cut things out . But you think it should be one .Project Manager: It's meant to be one , yeah , I don't know why I put two inthere ,Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: but um {disfmarker} Hold on till I find it , I think this shift button might be stuck again . No maybe the shiftbutton's stuck in .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um okay , so that would take away three , which would give us{disfmarker}Marketing: Should {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh that's fine .Industrial Designer: Yeah , so we're {disfmarker}{vocalsound}Project Manager: Eleven uh eleven Euros sixty .User Interface: Cool . Cool .Project Manager: Um {vocalsound}User Interface: So we could even addsomething .Project Manager: We cou Oh not quite , have the scroll-wheel , unfortunately .Industrial Designer: We should fire the accountants .Project Manager:What ?Industrial Designer: Fire the accountants . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Ahyeah , we could add things .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Maybe if you click back in that bottom right cell , where you're starting from , and"}
{"doc_id":"doc_31","qid":"","text":"Professor A: We 're going ? OK . Sh - Close your door on {disfmarker} door on the way out ?Grad B: OK . Thanks .Professor A: Thanks .Grad B: Oh .Professor A:Yeah . Probably wanna get this other door , too . OK . So . Um . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} What are we talking about today ?PhD E: Uh , well , first there areperhaps these uh Meeting Recorder digits that we tested .Professor A: Oh , yeah . That was kind of uh interesting .PhD E: So .Professor A: The {disfmarker} boththe uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the SRI System and the othPhD E: Um .Professor A: And for one thing that {disfmarker} that sure shows the {vocalsound}difference between having a lot of uh training data {vocalsound} or not ,PhD E: Of data ? Yeah .Professor A: uh , the uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} The best kindof number we have on the English uh {disfmarker} on near microphone only is {disfmarker} is uh three or four percent .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor A: And uhit 's significantly better than that , using fairly simple front - ends {vocalsound} on {disfmarker} {vocalsound} on the uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh , withthe SRI system .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor A: So I th I think that the uh {disfmarker} But that 's {disfmarker} that 's using uh a {disfmarker} a pretty hugeamount of data , mostly not digits , of course , but {disfmarker} but then again {disfmarker} Well , yeah . In fact , mostly not digits for the actual training the HM Ms whereas uh in this case we 're just using digits for training the H MPhD E: Yeah . Right .Professor A: Did anybody mention about whether the {disfmarker}the SRI system is a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} is {disfmarker} is doing the digits um the wor as a word model or as uh a sub s sub - phone states ?PhD E: Iguess it 's {disfmarker} it 's uh allophone models ,Professor A: Yeah . Probably .PhD E: so , well {disfmarker}Professor A: Huh ?PhD E: Yeah . I think so ,because it 's their very d huge , their huge system .Professor A: Yeah .PhD E: And . But . So . There is one difference {disfmarker} Well , the SRI system{disfmarker} the result for the SRI system that are represented here are with adaptation . So there is {disfmarker} It 's their complete system and {disfmarker}including on - line uh unsupervised adaptation .Professor A: That 's true .PhD E: And if you don't use adaptation , the error rate is around fifty percent worse , Ithink , if I remember .Professor A: OK .PhD E: Yeah .Professor A: It 's tha it 's that much , huh ?PhD E: Nnn . It 's {disfmarker} Yeah . It 's quite significant.Professor A: Oh . OK .PhD E: Yeah .Professor A: Still .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor A: But {disfmarker} but uh what {disfmarker} what I think I 'd be interestedto do given that , is that we {disfmarker} we should uh {vocalsound} take {disfmarker} I guess that somebody 's gonna do this , right ? {disfmarker} is to takesome of these tandem things and feed it into the SRI system , right ?PhD E: Yeah .Professor A: Yeah .PhD E: We can do something like that .Professor A: Yeah .Because {disfmarker}PhD E: Yeah . But {disfmarker} But I guess the main point is the data because uh {vocalsound} I am not sure . Our back - end is{disfmarker} is fairly simple but until now , well , the attempts to improve it or {disfmarker} have fail Ah , well , I mean uh what Chuck tried to {disfmarker} to{disfmarker} to doProfessor A: Yeah , but he 's doing it with the same data , right ? I mean so to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So there 's {disfmarker} there 's{disfmarker} there 's two things being affected .PhD E: Yeah . So it 's {disfmarker} Yeah .Professor A: I mean . One is that {disfmarker} that , you know , there's something simple that 's wrong with the back - end . We 've been playing a number of statesPhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor A: uh I {disfmarker} I don't know ifhe got to the point of playing with the uh number of Gaussians yetPhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor A: but {disfmarker} but uh , uh , you know . But , yeah , so farhe hadn't gotten any big improvement ,PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor A: but that 's all with the same amount of data which is pretty small .PhD E: Yeah .ProfessorA: And um .PhD E: Mmm . So , yeah , we could retrain some of these tandem on {disfmarker} on huge {disfmarker}Professor A: Well , you could do that , but I'm saying even with it not {disfmarker} with that part not retrained , just {disfmarker} just using {disfmarker} having the H M Ms {disfmarker} much better HMPhD E: Ah , yeah . Just {disfmarker} f for the HMM models .Professor A: Yeah .PhD E: Yeah . Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .Professor A: Um . {vocalsound} But justtrain those H M Ms using different features , the features coming from our Aurora stuff .PhD E: Yeah .Professor A: So .PhD E: Yeah . But {vocalsound} what wouldbe interesting to see also is what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} perhaps it 's not related , the amount of data but the um recording conditions . I don't know .Because {vocalsound} it 's probably not a problem of noise , because our features are supposed to be robust to noise .Professor A: Well , yeah .PhD E: It 's not aproblem of channel , because there is um {vocalsound} {vocalsound} normalization with respect to the channel . So {disfmarker}Professor A: I {disfmarker} I{disfmarker} I 'm sorry . What {disfmarker} what is the problem that you 're trying to explain ?PhD E: The {disfmarker} the fact that {disfmarker} the resultwith the tandem and Aurora system are {vocalsound} uh so much worse .Professor A: That the {disfmarker} Oh . So much worse ? Oh .PhD E: Yeah .ProfessorA: I uh but I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm almost certain that it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I mean , that it has to do with the um amount of training data.PhD E: It {disfmarker}Professor A: It {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's orders of magnitude off .PhD E: Yeah but {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah but we train onlyon digits and it 's {disfmarker} it 's a digit task , so . Well .Professor A: But {disfmarker} but having a huge {disfmarker} If {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if youlook at what commercial places do , they use a huge amount of data .PhD E: It {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .Professor A: This is a modest amount of data .PhD E:Alright . Yeah .Professor A: So . {vocalsound} I mean , ordinarily you would say \" well , given that you have enough occurrences of the digits , you can just trainwith digits rather than with , you know \" {disfmarker}PhD E: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .Professor A: But the thing is , if you have a huge {disfmarker} in otherwords , do word models {disfmarker} But if you have a huge amount of data then you 're going to have many occurrences of similar uh allophones .PhD E: Right .Mmm .Professor A: And that 's just a huge amount of training for it .PhD E: Yeah .Professor A: So it 's {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I{disfmarker} I think it has to be that , because , as you say , this is , you know , this is near - microphone ,PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor A: it 's really prettyclean data .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor A: Um . Now , some of it could be the fact that uh {disfmarker} let 's see , in the {disfmarker} in these multi - trainthings did we include noisy data in the training ?PhD E: Yeah .Professor A: I mean , that could be hurting us actually , for the clean case .PhD E: Yeah . Well ,actually we see that the clean train for the Aurora proposals are {disfmarker} are better than the multi - train ,Professor A: It is if {disfmarker} Yeah .PhD E:yeah .Professor A: Yeah . Cuz this is clean data , and so that 's not too surprising .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor A: But um . Uh . So .PhD E: Well , o I guess whatI meant is that well , let 's say if we {disfmarker} if we add enough data to train on the um on the Meeting Recorder digits , I guess we could have better resultsthan this .Professor A: Uh - huh . Mm - hmm .PhD E: And . What I meant is that perhaps we can learn something uh from this , what 's {disfmarker} what 'swrong uh what {disfmarker} what is different between TI - digits and these digits and {disfmarker}Professor A: What kind of numbers are we getting on TI -digits ?PhD E: It 's point eight percent , so .Professor A: Oh . I see .PhD E: Four - Fourier .Professor A: So in the actual TI - digits database we 're getting pointeight percent ,PhD E: Yeah . Yeah .Professor A: and here we 're getting three or four {disfmarker} three , let 's see , three for this ?PhD E: Mm - hmm .ProfessorA: Yeah . Sure , but I mean , um point eight percent is something like double uh or triple what people have gotten who 've worked very hard at doing that .PhD E:Mm - hmm .Professor A: And {disfmarker} and also , as you point out , there 's adaptation in these numbers also . So if you , you know , put the ad adap takethe adaptation off , then it {disfmarker} for the English - Near you get something like two percent .PhD E: Mmm .Professor A: And here you had , you know ,something like three point four . And I could easily see that difference coming from this huge amount of data that it was trained on .PhD E: Mm - hmm .ProfessorA: So it 's {disfmarker}PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor A: You know , I don't think there 's anything magical here .PhD E: Yeah .Professor A: It 's , you know , weused a simple HTK system with a modest amount of data . And this is a {disfmarker} a , you know , modern {vocalsound} uh system uh has {disfmarker} has alot of nice points to it .PhD E: Yeah . Mm - hmm .Professor A: Um . So . I mean , the HTK is an older HTK , even . So . Yeah it {disfmarker} it 's not thatsurprising .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor A: But to me it just {disfmarker} it just meant a practical {vocalsound} point that um if we want to {vocalsound}publish results on digits that {disfmarker} that people pay {vocalsound} attention to we probably should uh {disfmarker} Cuz we 've had the problem before thatyou get {disfmarker} show some {vocalsound} nice improvement on something that 's {disfmarker} that 's uh , uh {disfmarker} it seems like too large anumber , and uh {vocalsound} uh people don't necessarily take it so seriously .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor A: Um . Yeah . Yeah . So the three point four percentfor this uh is {disfmarker} is uh {disfmarker} So why is it {disfmarker} It 's an interesting question though , still . Why is {disfmarker} why is it three point fourpercent for the d the digits recorded in this environment as opposed to {vocalsound} the uh point eight percent for {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} for the originalTI - digits database ? Um .PhD E: Yeah . th that 's {disfmarker} th that 's my pointProfessor A: Given {disfmarker} given the same {disfmarker} Yeah . So ignore{disfmarker} ignoring the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the SRI system for a moment ,PhD E: I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't I {disfmarker} Mm - hmm.Professor A: just looking at {vocalsound} the TI - di the uh tandem system , if we 're getting point eight percent , which , yes , it 's high . It 's , you know , it{disfmarker} it 's not awfully high ,PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor A: but it 's , you know {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's high . Um . {vocalsound} Why is it{vocalsound} uh four times as high , or more ?PhD E: Yeah , I guess .Professor A: Right ? I mean , there 's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} even though it 's close -miked there 's still {disfmarker} there really is background noise .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor A: Um . And {vocalsound} uh I suspect when the TI - digits wererecorded if somebody fumbled or said something wrong or something that they probably made them take it over .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor A: It was not"}
{"doc_id":"doc_32","qid":"","text":"User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Mm uh .Marketing: {vocalsound} {gap} We're the first .User Interface: Mm .We're the first ones . {vocalsound}Marketing: Marketing Expert , yes .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So you found your spots.Marketing: Yes .User Interface: {vocalsound} Move to the meeting room . {vocalsound}Marketing: Bling bling . {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: Okay.Marketing: Right . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Uh {vocalsound} where has my screen gone ?Industrial Designer: Hi .User Interface: Hello ,good day . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Oh yeah , we have to talk in English ,Marketing: Hmm .Industrial Designer: huh .UserInterface: Yep .Marketing: Yeah . My screen is gone .Project Manager: It's called black . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Oh .User Interface: Kick-offmeeting , wow . It's uh looks uh nice .Industrial Designer: I'm afraid I'm a bit slow for this stuff uh .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .User Interface: Hmm?Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'm afraid I'm a bit too slow . {vocalsound} I don't know how much preparation you guys did ,User Interface: Yeah.Industrial Designer: but not a lot .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: No , it's {disfmarker} it was uh not enough .Project Manager: You see this beautifulpresentation .Marketing: Yeah . Very nice .Project Manager: Okay let's get started .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Uh I sort of prepared this .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh opening acquaintance , tool training , uh how to use the things here . Uh project plan discussion , and yeah then the rest of themeeting .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Um we're supposed to develop a new remote control , that's both original , trendy anduser-friendly . So ,Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: hope you have good ideas . I don't . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} I didmy best .Project Manager: Um we're work we're working uh from top to bottom . Uh functional design ,Industrial Designer: Not yet .Project Manager: then we dosome in individual work , then we have a meeting to discuss the results , etcetera etcetera . And at the end of the day we should have a prototype drawn up . Uhwe have available the smart board and the whiteboard . Um uh we should take some practice . I have some instructions now to do that .Marketing: Yeah .ProjectManager: Uh well you know how to {disfmarker} the documents work . So {disfmarker} Uh this for toolbar . You see it next . Um we have a pen . And we can usethis pen to perform . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yes .Industrial Designer: Operations .Project Manager:So {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: It doesn't always work . Yes .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay so you can draw.Marketing: Draw . Alright .Project Manager: Okay and in the format menu you can select colour and line width , etcetera etcetera . Okay ?Marketing: 'Kay.Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker} Okay . Each of you can uh take some practice and you should draw an animal . Uh you should explain {disfmarker} Uh withdifferent colours and with different pen widths .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: And you should explain why youdraw that particular animal .User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound} Don't take up too much space . {vocalsound}Project Manager: So ,Julian .User Interface: Um yeah .Industrial Designer: Different pen widths , how do you do that ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh with theformat menu .Industrial Designer: Oh okay .Project Manager: And use different colours etcetera .User Interface: {vocalsound} It's a giraffe . Yeah .ProjectManager: And {vocalsound} what's that supposed to be ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Are you serious ?Marketing: {vocalsound} Should it be one{disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh yeah . {vocalsound} Oh yeahUser Interface: {vocalsound} Okay .Project Manager: four legs . Uh-huh .{vocalsound}Marketing: Giraffe's yellow . {vocalsound}User Interface: Uh it needs some uh some yellow uh {disfmarker} Oh format .Marketing: Can you useone blank sheet per drawing ? OrProject Manager: Yeah .Marketing: so y you must save it at the endProject Manager: YeahMarketing: and then{disfmarker}Project Manager: you can press the next button , which is uh {disfmarker} yeah . I'll show you .User Interface: That's some spots .IndustrialDesigner: I in the file option menu .Project Manager: Yeah . In file menu .Marketing: Okay ,User Interface: No .Marketing: then m make a new one .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: How much time do we have to draw anyway ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: 'Cause I can take forever on this .Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: Okay . Do I have to explain uh why I chose this uhthis animal ?Project Manager: Yeah . {vocalsound}User Interface: I think it's a it's a great animal .Project Manager: What is it ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} It's a it's a giraffe .Project Manager: A giraffe okay . Yeah I see a long neckUser Interface:Yeah , that's a {disfmarker}Project Manager: but {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: It's more like a dinosaur . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Um{disfmarker} Okay I'll will give it an uh an eye .Project Manager: Okay . That's nice of you .Marketing: {vocalsound} Uh .User Interface: Hey . Come on.Marketing: Some leaf to eat . {vocalsound}User Interface: {gap} {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . Yeah pretty good . Uh could you press the next uh{disfmarker}User Interface: The next ? Yes .Project Manager: Okay . Then uh {disfmarker} {gap} .User Interface: Here you go . {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .Thanks .User Interface: Hmm .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Is this part of our a acquai or introduction to each other?Project Manager: Yeah sorry , introduction and get acquaintedMarketing: {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: and {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:Alright .Project Manager: That's the idea , so {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Uh . Your line broke .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah . Alright .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah it's a bit slow ,Marketing: It's not that fast .Project Manager: so {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} I see . It misses the spot .Project Manager: {gap} pressure .Industrial Designer: I'm guessing a turtle . No . {vocalsound}I'm kidding .Marketing: {vocalsound} I say good guess . Uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Why a turtle ?Industrial Designer: Because of its shell .Marketing:Because it's slow . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} It's slow .User Interface: 'Cause it's soProject Manager: You were slow tooUser Interface: 'causeit's green . {vocalsound}Project Manager: so {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah I was a bit slow too .Industrial Designer: Dude you're a good drawer .Marketing: So{disfmarker} {vocalsound} Uh some other line uh width uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Do you have a turtle pet ?Project Manager: {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} No . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh okay .Marketing: I dunno . {vocalsound} Does it have legs ?{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah yeah .Project Manager: Yeah sure .Marketing: Yeah ?Project Manager: Yeah not exactly legs but {disfmarker} Morelike finsMarketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Stumpy stuff .Project Manager: or {disfmarker}Marketing: It's more like a tank . Yeah that's finsIndustrialDesigner: They kind of l look like mole legs . With sharp nails on .Marketing: but I don't know where . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Somespots . Ah some eye .Project Manager: {vocalsound} YeahMarketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: it's l looks very friendly . {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeahthat's a fr {vocalsound} friendly turtle I guess .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah well I think it's uh fair enough .Project Manager: Yeah okay.Industrial Designer: A little tail maybe .Project Manager: {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: Right . {vocalsound} I don't know what the position is . {vocalsound} Does it have ears ?Industrial Designer: Uh no .Project Manager:No .User Interface: No .Marketing: No . Oh okay .Industrial Designer: The little holes maybe .Marketing: Can you erase earsProject Manager: Yeah yeah yeah.User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: or {disfmarker}Project Manager: There's a a gum ,Marketing: Yeah ? Alright .Project Manager: gum to {gap}.Marketing: Eraser .Industrial Designer: And why did you choose this animal ?Marketing: So {disfmarker}Project Manager: He said it was slow .Marketing: Idunno . I it just came into my mind . So there's no particular reasonIndustrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: I {gap} pen .Project Manager: {vocalsound} I like it .{vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah . Well I'm {disfmarker} guess I'm done .Project Manager: Okay . {gap}Marketing: That's my turtle .Project Manager: Your turnNiels .Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: How to select the next or {disfmarker}Project Manager: The nextMarketing: here .Project Manager: yeah .IndustrialDesigner: {gap} Colours were under formatMarketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: Makes new paper .Marketing: Here you go .Project Manager: Yeah.Industrial Designer: right ? Let's see .Project Manager: Orange .Industrial Designer: How am I gonna do this ? Um {disfmarker} Mm uh .User Interface: A rabbitI think .Project Manager: Kangaroo .User Interface: Kangaroo . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Not quite actually .User Interface: Fox.Marketing: A fox yeah .Project Manager: Dog .Marketing: Firefox .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: No .Project Manager: Cat .IndustrialDesigner: Aye . {vocalsound} It's a cat .Project Manager: It's a cat .User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer: Not quite yet through .Marketing: A cat who had anaccident or {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager: Why a cat ?Industrial Designer: Uh yeah I dunno . They're my favourite pets .Project Manager: You havesome uh ?Industrial Designer: Uh I have colour already . Yeah I'm not so good at drawing with this kind ofProject Manager: {vocalsound} The pen ,IndustrialDesigner: st Oh shit . Um {disfmarker}Project Manager: yeah .Industrial Designer: Excuse my language .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Sure . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I don't know how to draw its face . But you get the idea .Project Manager: Yeah .{vocalsound} Alright .Industrial Designer: It's a cat . It's my favourite uh pet animal , 'cause they're cute , they're independent and cuddly , I dunno .{vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: That's it .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Or do I need to use more colours and"}
{"doc_id":"doc_33","qid":"","text":"Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and Education Committee. We've received no apologies, although DawnBowden is running late. I'll take this opportunity to welcome Dawn formally to the committee but also to place on record our thanks to John Griffiths for hisservice to the committee. Are there any declarations of interest, please? No. Okay. Item 2, then, this morning is a scrutiny session with a focus on higher andfurther education. I'm very pleased to welcome Kirsty Williams, Cabinet Secretary for Education, Eluned Morgan, Minister for Welsh Language and LifelongLearning, and Huw Morris, who is the group director of skills, higher education and lifelong learning. Thank you all for your attendance this morning. If you'reokay with it, we'll go straight into questions. The first questions are from Suzy Davies.Suzy Davies AM: Thank you, Chair. If we can just start with teacher trainingand teacher training for secondary school teachers in particular, obviously there's been what looks like a trend in recent years in filling the places for secondaryschool training. Obviously, this is at Welsh teacher training centres. Do you think there's still a problem recruiting teachers into the 300 priority places, or is therea trend where things are getting better?Kirsty Williams AM: Thank you, Suzy. I think, for this year's intake, although we're in touch with our providers, we're notin a position to be able to give figures for this year's intake for a couple of months. But what we have seen over recent years is that we are only recruiting toabout 65 per cent of those targets. So, there is still a job of work to do to understand and to respond to those needs. So, what we're doing is first of all makingsure that our ITE provision is world class, so that, actually, Welsh centres are the place to go to train to be a teacher. You'll be aware that we've recently beenthrough an accreditation process for new ITE provision that will start in the next academic year. We have looked at financial incentives. It's not the whole answer,I think, to these issues, but it's part of a mixture of things that we need to do. You'll be aware that, for priority subjects, with graduates with the very highestlevels of qualifications, those financial incentives are now £20,000 a year. We're also embarking on our first ever national ITE recruitment marketing exercise. Wehave initially done some work in the last year specifically targeting Welsh students in studying for priority subject degrees, e-mailing them, sending themmaterials to ask them to consider (1) becoming a teacher, and (2) crucially coming to do that training here in Wales. We are now part of a full nationalprogramme of ITE recruitment, giving people that idea that you can serve your nation and your community by training to be a teacher. So, there's a wholepackage of things we need to do. In January of this year I set up an advisory board on the recruitment and retention of teaching staff, and we are awaiting somereports from that advisory group on what they feel that we should do next.Suzy Davies AM: Thank you for that answer. I can see there's a lot of activity, but whatexactly is it responding to? Presumably, some research has been done about why people don't want to become teachers so that the answers you come up withare appropriate answers. I can't believe it's just about ITE, although this is very valuable, what you're talking about. Is there something that's running throughour younger learners at the moment that makes them think that teaching isn't a profession they want to go into? Is that something that's happening just in Walesor is it happening elsewhere as well?Kirsty Williams AM: No. I think what you will find is that this isn't a uniquely Welsh issue. I think they are suffering quiteacute problems across the border, which proves to me that money isn't necessarily the entire answer, because, despite higher financial incentives to join ITEcourses, they're not able to do that in England either. So, that proves to me—what the research does show—that it's not money alone that will get people ontothese courses. Interestingly, I don't even think it's a UK problem. Recently, as you'll be aware via my written statement, I attended the AtlanticRim Collaboratory, which is a system-to-system conference. If you talk to education systems in different parts of the world, the one common factor that we are allgrappling with is teacher recruitment and retention. In the USA, they have seen a 40 per cent drop in the number of students training to be teachers. So, in theCalifornian system, significant teacher shortages, and in Oregon, Washington. I met with New York state—significant teacher recruitment and retention problemsin New York state, and in Finland, Australia. So, this is a common issue across the globe, really. That's why we set up the advisory group under the chairmanshipof Professor John Gardner—it's to understand what the issues are exactly that are preventing people or putting people off. One of the things that we have gotstrong performance in, and I think this is perhaps something that we're trying to follow up on, are employment-based routes into qualified teacher status—so,those are people who are training on the job. Those remain strong. There's high demand for those places, so much so that we've increased those places to 90 lastyear and 90 again this year, which says to me that—there's definitely a place for the traditional, 'Take a year off, do a postgraduate certificate in education in auniversity for a year'—actually, that type of course suits some students but it might be preventing other people from pursuing a qualification in teaching, which iswhy, of course, from next year, we will have our unique part-time PGCE route into qualification. So, that allows people to perhaps combine some of theiremployment opportunities, so they can earn while they learn, or maybe they've got caring responsibilities that prevent them from going to do a full-time course. Ithink that will give us an alternative route that people can take to gain qualified teacher status and work in our schools. So, there's no one thing, I think, that wecan do that will solve this issue. But it is an international issue, I agree with that.Suzy Davies AM: Okay. Well, that's what I was after finding out, and, actually,what you've just said about the part-time PGCE is pretty interesting as well, because if you can bring your outside world experience into teaching, that's got tohelp, hasn't it?Kirsty Williams AM: Can I just agree with you? I think that is really, really important—that we have a diversity in our teaching workforce. I thinkthe different dynamic that brings to a school and the experience that brings to children is really, really valuable. I was up in the Deeside Sixth just last week,talking to the A-level chemistry teacher. She had been a teacher for a while, she'd gone into industry, worked in industry, and now had come back into teaching.She said that she felt that that made her a better educator and she could talk with knowledge and experience about the opportunities outside of teaching that thestudents in front of her could pursue. I'm very keen to increase the diversity in our teaching workforce and I'm very keen in looking at career changers, whoperhaps have different life experience and work experience, coming into our teaching profession.Suzy Davies AM: Thank you for that. Part of that diversity, ofcourse—it would be great if you had more people interested in qualifying to teach through the medium of Welsh. Great aspirations; the trend's going the otherway. No-one can solve this in 280 characters, I get that, but can you give us some indication about why you think this is proving still such an unattractive optionwhen it's clear that there's a policy for this country to improve the number of Welsh speakers? You'd have thought there'd be a pretty good carrot for this.KirstyWilliams AM: Sure. Again, data for recruitment for the 2018-19 cohort is not yet available and we are, as I said, keeping in touch with our ITE centres to keep aclose eye on them. I think an important thing to recognise is that there is a difference between the number of people who are on courses where there is a specificdesignation that enables them to teach through the medium of Welsh and those people who have linguistic ability and Welsh ability but don't necessarily do acourse that allows them. So, there is a difference. We do think that, for the 2016-17 cohort, there were an additional 130 qualifiers that, actually, were fluent inWelsh and who could have gone on to teach in Welsh-medium schools, didn't necessarily do a course that gave them that designation. But, clearly, we've gotthree academic years now to get to the targets that we've set ourselves. The evaluation of Welsh-medium provision in ITE reported at the end of last month, andthe Minister and officials are busy working now to implement the recommendations of the report that was published, I think, on 28 September, to be able to movethis agenda forward. Again, we've got new incentives, this year, both for people starting their course and then for teachers who complete their QTS after a year.So, we've added in new financial incentives this year to try and address some of those issues. But, clearly, these are ambitious targets and we will need to have astep change over the next three years if we're to meet them.Suzy Davies AM: Thank you for that, Cabinet Secretary. Thank you for that answer. We're nowtalking about cohorts of students coming into PGCE and teaching degrees. If they're from Wales, they will have had Welsh as part of their education from dayone, and we'll accept there are varying qualities in different parts of Wales, different attitudes towards it as well. But there isn't a single a person now who's beenthrough Welsh education who can say they have no Welsh at all, unless they've moved into the system from, say, England very, very recently. What is being donewithin the teaching qualifications, including the degrees, to ensure that, at least in Welsh universities, those nascent Welsh language skills are at least kept alive,even though we're not talking necessarily about being at a level where people can teach through the medium? It's the age-old question: once the school gatecloses, is that the end of their Welsh use? So, is there something—it won't be Donaldson, but in the teacher training qualifications—that is keeping this going and,hopefully, increasing the usability of the Welsh skills they have?Kirsty Williams AM: Well, in terms of how we can encourage children who have got Welsh skills asa result of their education up to 16, how they can continue to use those skills and, potentially, use them in the workplace, I'm sure Eluned will want to talkabout some of the work, for instance, in other, non-teaching sectors. But, with regard to ITE, you'll be aware that, in the evaluation report, as I said, that waspublished, the report comes forward with two options in how we could develop an intervention programme to support Welsh language skills amongst all primaryand secondary ITE entrants. So, what we'll be doing now as a result of that report is that we'll be working very closely with our ITE centres to develop and agreeupon minimum provision that constitutes those skill levels within ITE provision for all teachers.Suzy Davies AM: Thank you.Lynne Neagle AM: Llyr.Llyr GruffyddAM: You have your targets for 2021, in terms of numbers of teachers coming through the system, which is positive, although, clearly, the report or the review"}
{"doc_id":"doc_34","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: {vocalsound} Good to see you all again . Let's see if that comes up . This is our functional design meeting . Um . Just a sec while my PowerPointcomes up . Et voila . Okay . Mm um we put the fashion in electronics . Let's start . Okay , our agenda today um {disfmarker} just check the time , it's twelvethirteen . Um . I'm gonna do an opening , talk about um {disfmarker} did you all get the minutes ? I e-mailed them to you . I'm also putting 'em {disfmarker}them in the shared folder .User Interface: Yep .Project Manager: So um then I {disfmarker} we'll talk about our general objectivesIndustrial Designer: Right.Project Manager: and have your three presentations . Um I'll talk about the new project requirements I've just received , and then we have to make a decisionon our remote control functions . Finally we'll just close . We're starting this meeting at approximately twelve thirteen and we have forty minutes . So{disfmarker} First of all the functional design objectives . Uh we need to keep in mind the user requirement specification , what needs and desires are to befulfilled , the {gap} functions design , what effects the apparatus should have , and the working design , how the apparatus actually works to fulfil its function .Okay , three presentations , um you can go in any order you choose um .Marketing: {gap} Mm shall we go in the order that you just did it ?Project Manager:Sure , please do .Marketing: I dunno . How do I hook my screen up ?Industrial Designer: I think , you might have to disconnect Rose .Project Manager: Yes I do .Yeah .User Interface: Well there's a wee a wee plug just just that one thereMarketing: Where does it go ? Mm-hmm . Hmm , I'm not supposed to move this ,UserInterface: {vocalsound}Marketing: but {disfmarker}User Interface: Ah that's it , yep .Marketing: {gap}User Interface: And then you have to press function F_eightProject Manager: Function , F_ eight , yeah .User Interface: I think it is on your laptop .Project Manager: The blue one , F_N_ .Marketing: Where's function ?No signal .Project Manager: Is it plugged in all the way and you screwed it in and {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Ah , wait , 's screw in.Industrial Designer: I I think you just have to push it in really hard .Marketing: Push the screw .User Interface: That's it .Industrial Designer: Oh , got it .ProjectManager: Mm 'kay .Marketing: Mm alrightProject Manager: It's taking it a little bit {disfmarker}Marketing: I've never attached to anything .Industrial Designer:Mm , neither have I .Project Manager: 'Kay there you go .Marketing: Alright , so ,Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: I don't know if you guys are able to getaccess to um the report that was online or if I'm the only one who is . But , I don't even know how to play this . No .Project Manager: Press the little presentation. It's the um {disfmarker} it looks like a Y_ kind of {disfmarker} over there above Draw . There , that one , there you go .Marketing: Alright . So we're just gonnatalk a little bit about the functional requirements that people specified when they were asked . Um I guess Real Reaction did some market research . They had ahundred subjects and their usability lab and they watched them watch T_V_ and recorded the frequency that they used particular buttons and the relevance thatthose buttons had . What they found was they analysed people's desires and needs . Focusing on their desires , um people specifically said that they thoughtremotes were ugly {vocalsound} , seventy five per cent of the a hundred subjects noted that and that they {disfmarker} more importantly though , eighty percent said that they would be willing to pay more for a fancier looking remote . I don't know anything beyond what fancy means ,Industrial Designer: Hmm.Marketing: but that's particularly of use to us , I think . Um also they did some questions on voice recognition and found that the desire for voice recognition wasinversely related to age , so younger people were more inclined to want something with voice recognition , whereas the older people in the like sixty and abovesegment or so did not really think that they would pay more money for voice recognitions .Industrial Designer: 'Kay .Marketing: Um people also had certainfrustrations , that I think that we could try to take into consideration with our design . That being people k um frustrated with losing their remotes . I think , overfifty percent of the people mentioned that that was their biggest frustration . People are also frustrated with the difficulty it is to learn how to use a remote and Ithink that ties back to what you were saying beforeIndustrial Designer: Hmm .Marketing: just that there's too many buttons , it just needs to be easy to use . Italso mentioned something called R_S_I_ and I was hoping someone might be able to inform me as to what R_S_I_ is ,User Interface: Repetitive strain injury.Marketing: because I don't know .Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: Repetitive strain injury .Marketing: What ? Ah . There we go .User Interface: So if you{disfmarker}Marketing: Wow . People do not like that . So I guess sort of the carpal tunnel type thing , people do not like that , um the repetitive use , I guess ,caused a strain . Um looking at the needs people specified , the problem right now is that people's remotes are not matching their operating behaviour . Peopleare only using ten per cent of the buttons that they have offered to them on their remote . And what people do most often is changing the channel and changingthe volume . People also zap like to change the channel , about um sixty five per cent during an hour of use . So we really just need to focus in on those volumesand channel changers rather than things like the audio settings , the screen settings and the channel settings , because they're used much more infrequently andprobably just complicate what's going on . So I think that some things that we might wanna think about , the idea of an L_C_D_ screen was brought up althoughthey didn't have any details on what people's preferences on that were , so I dunno know if that's coming to me later , or something like that . But something forus to consider also just the phenomenon that less is more when it comes to the buttons on the remote or what we wanna make easiest to use , make sure that ,you know , something like an audio setting isn't given as much importance and visibility on the remote as something like channel changing that's used a lot moreoften . And basically in order for us to win over to the consumer we just need to focus on what it looks like , that it has a fancy appeal and that it's not ugly{vocalsound} and that it feels like the way they're gonna use it , so it doesn't give them any hand injuries or things like that .Industrial Designer: Hmm .ProjectManager: Thank you very much . That was that was great .Industrial Designer: Mm 'kay .Project Manager: Um {vocalsound} 's move on to the next presentationum on effects . Was that you ?Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: Great .Marketing: Yeah , have I unscrewed it ?Project Manager: Push . User interface , right .Interface .Marketing: Here we go .User Interface: Cheers .Marketing: Mm-hmm . And I think that's in the shared , if I did it right , if anyone wants to look at it.Project Manager: Mm 'kay , thank you .Industrial Designer: Okay , great .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Here we go . Right soI'm gonna talk about the technical technical functions design of the remote control um . We need to start by considering what a remote control actually is . It's adevice that allows us to produce certain effects on our television , so i it's basically a communication device . We we tell the remote control what we want to do , itsends a message to the television saying change the channel , change the volume , uh yeah , adjust these settings , adjust the brightness . Um how do weactually go about designing a new television remote control ? First thing to do is to come up with the design specifications . We need to know what our finalproduct is gonna be like , so we need a a clear idea of exactly what this product does , uh how it works , and what the end-user is gonna want from this product .Um . Oh , a way I'd suggest that we could go about this is by designing uh several different prototypes of user interfaces for this product , um and then uh tryingto get some feedback uh aboutMarketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: h how well these particular prototypes work , uh sorta find out what people think of 'em .Um using a remote control is is quite a subjective experience . Um ,Project Manager: Hmm .User Interface: and different different people sort of prefer differentthings . Um we should remember that remote controls are a a fairly standard piece of equipment . When a users using a remote control , he or she expects thebuttons to be in certain places . So in some sense we're gonna we're gonna have to aim for a device which is fairly conventional in design uh so that we're notcompletely shocking people . But I think within that there is also room for us to introduce novel ideas uh and to make something that's that's perhaps a little bitdifferent , something that stands out . Um also in in designing the user interface we need to consider practicalities . Uh the first of these is is technological ye uhwhat can we do with the current state of technology as it is . The second is is economic , uh we need to find a balance between features and price . So as youmentioned things like voice recognition would would add to the price uh but it would also im improve the design of the product .Project Manager: Hmm .UserInterface: So I had a look on the {disfmarker} on the web uh to see if I could find a few examples of existing television remote controls . In analysing these wecan consider what what things {disfmarker} what's good about them , uh what things do they get right , what's bad about them , what's wrong with 'em , umhow we can improve on the designs that that that I found and what can we do to make our product stand out from from the large majority of remote controls .Here's two examples uh probably at the extreme ends of the spectrum .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Um on the left here we've got uh anengineering-based design for a remote control ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: so it's one that's got lots of buttons , it's it's fully featured ,everything you might possibly want to do is there , you know , it's got forward , backwards , up , down , channel numbers , volume , uh freeze frame . Yeah , it'sit's fully featured and it might take a while to get to learn to use it , but once you've learned it you can {disfmarker} you can do whatever you want with yourT_V_ . The one on the right is a lot more basic . It's just got the essential functions of the T_V_ changing the channel , play , stop , volume . It would be a lotquicker to learn to use it , but again th it's it's swings and roundabouts . There are disadvantages , you can't use it say to to freeze the television picture . Uhthere's a lot of features that are missing from that remote control . So we've got to to find our {disfmarker} find a way of striking a balance between the two . Umas I said before , remote controls are subjective , different people want want different things . Um personally wa what I want from a remote control is a devicethat's simple , it it's easy to use , uh it's got big buttons for doing the things I do most often , changing the volume , changing the channel . It it does everything"}
{"doc_id":"doc_35","qid":"","text":"Professor B: Are we on ? We 're on . OK .PhD E: Is it on ?PhD D: Yeah .Professor B: Yeah . OK ,PhD D: One , two {disfmarker} u OK .PhD A: Why is it so cold inhere ?Professor B: so , uh , we haven't sent around the agenda . So , i uh , any agenda items anybody has , wants to talk about , what 's going on ?Postdoc G: I cI could talk about the meeting .Grad H: Does everyone {disfmarker} has everyone met Don ?Postdoc G: Yeah .Professor B: It 's on ?PhD C: Now , yeah .PhD D:Yeah .Grad H: Yeah ? OK .PhD D: Yeah .Grad F: Hello .Professor B: OK , agenda item one ,PhD D: We went {disfmarker}Grad F: Yeah .Professor B: introduce Don. OK , we did that . Uh {disfmarker}PhD A: Well , I had a {disfmarker} just a quick question but I know there was discussion of it at a previous meeting that Imissed , but just about the {disfmarker} the wish list item of getting good quality close - talking mikes on every speaker .Professor B: OK , so let 's {disfmarker}let 's {disfmarker} So let 's just do agenda {pause} building right now . OK , so let 's talk about that a bit .PhD A: I mean , that was {disfmarker}Professor B: Uh, @ @ tuss close talking mikes , better quality . OK , {vocalsound} uh , we can talk about that . You were gonna {disfmarker} starting to say something ?PostdocG: Well , you {disfmarker} you , um , already know about the meeting {comment} that 's coming up and I don't know if {disfmarker} if this is appropriate forthis . I don't know . I mean , maybe {disfmarker} maybe it 's something we should handle outside of the meeting .Professor B: No , no , that 's OK .PhD E: Whatmeeting ?Professor B: We can {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} we can ta so n NIST is {disfmarker} NIST folks are coming by next weekPostdoc G: OK .Professor B:and so we can talk about that .Postdoc G: Yeah .Professor B: I thinkPhD E: Who 's coming ?Professor B: Uh , uh , John FiscusPostdoc G: Mm - hmm .Professor B:and , uh , I think George Doddington will be around as well . Uh , OK , so we can talk about that . Uh , I guess just hear about how things are going with , uh , uh, the transcriptions . That 's right .Postdoc G: Sure . Mm - hmm .Professor B: That would sorta be an obvious thing to discuss . Um , An - anything else , uh ,strike anybody ?PhD A: Uh , we started {pause} running recognition on {pause} one conversation but it 's the r {pause} isn't working yet . So , But if anyone has{disfmarker}Professor B: OK .PhD E: WhaPhD A: uh , the main thing would be if anyone has , um , knowledge about ways to , uh , post - process the wave formsthat would give us better recognition , that would be helpful to know about .Professor B: Um ,Grad H: Dome yeah , it sounds like a topic of conversation.Professor B: Yeah , so , uh {disfmarker}PhD E: What about , uh , is there anything new with the speech , nonspeech stuff ?PhD C: Yeah , we 're working more onit but , {vocalsound} it 's not finished .Professor B: OK . Alright , that seems like a {disfmarker} a good collection of things . And we 'll undoubtedly think of{pause} other things .Postdoc G: I had thought under my topic that I would mention the , uh , four items that I {disfmarker} I , uh , put out for being on theagenda f on that meeting , which includes like the pre - segmentation and the {disfmarker} and the developments in multitrans .Professor B: Oh , under the NISTmeeting .Postdoc G: Yeah , under the NIST thing .Professor B: OK .Postdoc G: Yeah .Professor B: Alright , why don't we start off with this , u u I guess the orderwe brought them up seems fine .Postdoc G: Yeah .Professor B: Um , so , better quality close talking mikes . So the one issue was that the {disfmarker} the , uh ,lapel mike , uh , isn't as good as you would like . And so , uh , it {disfmarker} it 'd be better if we had close talking mikes for everybody . Right ?PhD A: Ri - um,Professor B: Is that {disfmarker} is that basically the point ?PhD A: yeah , the {disfmarker} And actually in addition to that , that the {disfmarker} the closetalking mikes are worn in such a way as to best capture the signal . And the reason here is just that for the people doing work not on microphones but on sort oflike dialogue and so forth , uh {disfmarker} or and even on prosody , which Don is gonna be working on soon , it adds this extra , you know , vari variable foreach speaker to {disfmarker} to deal with when the microphones aren't similar .Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad H: Right .PhD A: So {disfmarker} And I also talkedto Mari this morning and she also had a strong preference for doing that . And in fact she said that that 's useful for them to know in starting to collect their datatoo .Professor B: Mm - hmm . Right , so one thGrad H: Well , so {disfmarker}Professor B: uh , well one thing I was gonna say was that , um , i we could get more, uh , of the head mounted microphones even beyond the number of radio channels we have because I think whether it 's radio or wire is probably second - order. And the main thing is having the microphone close to you ,PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: u although , not too close .Grad H: Right , so , uh , actually the wayJose is wearing his is {disfmarker} is c {pause} correct .PhD D: Yeah . Is {disfmarker}Grad H: The good way . So you want to {disfmarker}Professor B: Yeah.PhD D: I it 's not cor it 's correct ?Professor B: Is .Grad H: Yeah , th that 's good .Professor B: Yes .PhD D: Yeah .Grad H: So it 's towards the corner of yourmouth so that breath sounds don't get on it .PhD D: Yeah . Yeah .Grad H: And then just sort of about , uh , a thumb or {disfmarker} a thumb and a half awayfrom your {disfmarker} from your mouth .PhD D: Yeah . Yeah . Uh , yeah .Professor B: Right .PhD A: But we have more than one type of {disfmarker}ProfessorB: How am I dPhD A: I mean , for instance , you 're {disfmarker}PhD C: Yeah .Grad H: And this one isn't very adjustable ,PhD D: Yeah .Grad H: so this about asgood as I can getPhD A: Right .PhD D: Yeah .Grad H: cuz it 's a fixed boom .PhD D: Is fixed . Yeah .PhD A: But if we could actually standardize , you know , the{disfmarker} the microphones , uh , as much as possible that would be really helpful .Professor B: Yeah .PhD E: Mm - hmm .PhD D: Yeah .Grad H: Mm - hmm.Professor B: Well , I mean it doesn't hurt to have a few extra microphones around ,PhD D: Yeah .Professor B: so why don't we just go out and {disfmarker} andget an order of {disfmarker} of if this microphone seems OK to people , uh , I 'd just get a half dozen of these things .Grad H: Well the onl the only problem withthat is right now , um , some of the Jimlets aren't working . The little {disfmarker} the boxes under the table .Professor B: Yeah .Grad H: And so , w Uh , I 'veonly been able to find three jacks that are working .Professor B: Yeah .PhD E: Can we get these , wireless ?Grad H: So {disfmarker}Professor B: No , but mypoint is {disfmarker}PhD A: But y we could just record these signals separately and time align them with the start of the meeting .Professor B: R r right{disfmarker}Grad H: I {disfmarker} I 'm not sure I 'm follow . Say that again ?Professor B: Right now , we 've got , uh , two microphones in the room , that arenot quote - unquote standard . So why don't we replace those {disfmarker}Grad H: OK , just two .Professor B: Well , however many we can plug in . You know ,if we can plug in three , let 's plug in three .Grad H: OK .PhD D: Mm - yeah .Professor B: Also what we 've talked before about getting another , uh , radio ,GradH: Right .Professor B: and so then that would be , you know , three {pause} more .Grad H: Right . OK .PhD D: Mm - hmm .Professor B: So , uh {disfmarker} sowe should go out to our full complement of whatever we can do , but have them all be the same mike . I think the original reason that it was done the other waywas because , it w it was sort of an experimental thing and I don't think anybody knew whether people would rather have more variety or {disfmarker}{vocalsound} or , uh , more uniformity ,PhD A: Right .Professor B: but {disfmarker} @ @ {comment} but uh , sounds {disfmarker} sounds fine .Grad H: Soundslike uniformity wins .PhD D: Right .PhD A: Well , for short term research it 's just {disfmarker} there 's just so much effort that would have to be done up front nuh ,Professor B: Yeah .Grad H: Well {disfmarker}PhD A: so {disfmarker} yeah , uniformity would be great .Grad H: Yeah .PhD E: Is it because {disfmarker} You{disfmarker} you 're saying the {disfmarker} for dialogue purposes , so that means that the transcribers are having trouble with those mikes ? Is that what youmean ?PhD A: Well Jane would know more about the transcribers .PhD E: Or {disfmarker} ?Postdoc G: And that 's true . I mean , I {disfmarker} we did discussthis . Uh , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}Grad H: Yep . Couple times .Postdoc G: a couple times , so , um , yeah , the transcribers notice {disfmarker} And infact there 're some where , um {disfmarker} ugh well , I mean there 's {disfmarker} it 's the double thing . It 's the equipment and also how it 's worn .PhD A:Right .Postdoc G: And he 's always {disfmarker} they always {disfmarker} they just rave about how wonderful Adam 's {disfmarker} Adam 's channel is .Grad H:What can I say .Postdoc G: And then ,PhD A: So does the recognizer .Professor B: Yeah .Postdoc G: Yeah .Grad H: Oh , really ? Yeah , I 'm not surprised . I mean, \" Baaah ! \"PhD A: Even if {disfmarker} if you 're talking on someone else 's mike it 's still {pause} you wPostdoc G: Yeah , but I mean it 's not just that , it 'salso you know youProfessor B: Yeah .PhD C: Yeah .Postdoc G: It 's also like n no breathing , no {disfmarker} You know , it 's like it 's {disfmarker} it 's um,Professor B: Yeah .Postdoc G: it 's really {disfmarker} {nonvocalsound} it makes a big difference from the transcribers ' point of viewGrad H: Yeah , it 's anadvantage when you don't breath .Postdoc G: and also from the research s point of view .PhD A: Right .Professor B: When we 're doing {disfmarker}Grad H:Yeah , I think that the point of doing the close talking mike is to get a good quality signal . We 're not doing research on close talking mikes .Postdoc G: Yeah.Professor B: Yeah .Grad H: So we might as well get it as uniform as we can .PhD A: Right .Professor B: Now , this is locking the barn door after the horse wasstolen . We do have thirty hours , of {disfmarker} of speech , which is done this way .Grad H: Yeah .PhD A: That 's OK .Professor B: But {disfmarker} but , uh ,yeah , for future ones we can get it a bit more uniform .PhD A: Great , great .Grad H: So I think just do a field trip at some point .Professor B: Yeah , probably{disfmarker} yeah , to the store we talked about and that {disfmarker}Grad H: Yep .Postdoc G: And there was some talk about , uh , maybe the h headphonesthat are uncomfortable for people , to {disfmarker}Grad H: Yep . So , as {disfmarker} as I said , we 'll do a field trip and see if we can get all of the same mikethat 's more comfortable than {disfmarker} than these things , which I think are horrible .Postdoc G: OK . Good .Grad H: So .PhD A: Great , thank you very much.PhD E: Especially for people with big heads .PhD A: It 's makes our job a lot easier .Professor B: OK . OK .Grad H: And , you know , we 're researchers , so we allhave big heads .Professor B: OK .PhD E: Yeah .Professor B: Yeah . Uh , OK , second item was the , uh , NIST visit , and what 's going on there .Postdoc G: Yeah .OK , so , um , uh , Jonathan Fiscus is coming on the second of February and I 've spoken with , uh , {pause} u u a lot of people here , not everyone . Um , and ,"}
{"doc_id":"doc_36","qid":"","text":"PhD A: OK , we 're on .Professor C: OK , what are we talking about today ?PhD B: I don't know . Do you have news from the conference talk ? Uh , that wasprogrammed for yesterday {disfmarker} I guess .Professor C: Uh {disfmarker}PhD D: YesterdayProfessor C: Uh {disfmarker}PhD D: Yesterday morning on videoconference .Professor C: Uh ,PhD B: WellProfessor C: oh , I 'm sorry .Grad E: Oh . Conference call .Professor C: I know {disfmarker} now I know what you 'retalking about . No , nobody 's told me anything .PhD B: Alright .PhD A: Oh , this was the , uh , talk where they were supposed to try to decide {disfmarker}PhDB: To {disfmarker} to decide what to do ,PhD A: Ah , right .PhD B: yeah .PhD D: Yeah .Professor C: Yeah . No , that would have been a good thing to find outbefore this meeting , that 's . No , I have no {disfmarker} I have no idea . Um , Uh , so I mean , let 's {disfmarker} let 's assume for right now that we 're justkind of plugging on ahead ,PhD B: Yeah .Professor C: because even if they tell us that , uh , the rules are different , uh , we 're still interested in doing what we're doing . So what are you doing ?PhD B: Mm - hmm . Uh , well , we 've {disfmarker} a little bit worked on trying to see , uh , what were the bugs and theproblem with the latencies .PhD D: To improve {disfmarker}PhD B: So , We took {disfmarker} first we took the LDA filters and , {vocalsound} uh , we designednew filters , using uh recursive filters actually .Professor C: So when you say \" we \" , is that something Sunil is doing or is that {disfmarker} ?PhD B: I 'm sorry?Professor C: Who is doing that ?PhD B: Uh , us . Yeah .Professor C: Oh , oh . Oh , OK .PhD B: So we took the filters {disfmarker} the FIR filters {vocalsound}and we {comment} designed , uh , IIR filters that have the same frequency response .PhD D: But {disfmarker}Professor C: Mm - hmm .PhD B: Well , similar ,but that have shorter delays .Professor C: Mm - hmm .PhD B: So they had two filters , one for the low frequency bands and another for the high frequency bands. And so we redesigned two filters . And the low frequency band has sixty - four milliseconds of delay , and the high frequency band filter has something likeeleven milliseconds compared to the two hundred milliseconds of the IIR filters . But it 's not yet test . So we have the filters but we still have to implement aroutine that does recursive filteringProfessor C: OK .PhD B: and {disfmarker}Professor C: You {disfmarker} you had a discussion with Sunil about this though?PhD B: No . No .Professor C: Uh - huh . Yeah , you should talk with him .PhD B: Yeah , yeah .Professor C: Yeah . No , I mean , because the {disfmarker} the{disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the whole problem that happened before was coordination ,PhD B: Mm - hmm .Professor C: right ? So {disfmarker} so you needto discuss with him what we 're doing ,PhD B: Yeah .Professor C: uh , cuz they could be doing the same thing and {disfmarker} or something .PhD B: Mm - hmm. Uh , I {disfmarker} yeah , I don't know if th that 's what they were trying to {disfmarker} They were trying to do something different like taking , uh{disfmarker} well , using filter that takes only a pastProfessor C: Right .PhD B: and this is just a little bit different . But I will I will send him an email and tell himexactly what we are doing , so .Professor C: Yeah , yeah . Um ,PhD B: Um ,Professor C: I mean {disfmarker} We just {disfmarker} we just have to be in contactmore . I think that {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the fact that we {disfmarker} we did that with {disfmarker} had that thing with the latencies was indicative ofthe fact that there wasn't enough communication .PhD B: Mm - hmm .Professor C: So .PhD B: Alright .Professor C: OK .PhD B: Um , Yeah . Well , there is w one ,um , remark about these filters , that they don't have a linear phase . So ,Professor C: Right .PhD B: Well , I don't know , perhaps it {disfmarker} perhaps itdoesn't hurt because the phase is almost linear but . Um , and so , yeah , for the delay I gave you here , it 's {disfmarker} it 's , uh , computed on the five hertzmodulation frequency , which is the {disfmarker} mmm , well , the most important for speech so . Uh , this is the first thing .Professor C: So that would be , uh ,a reduction of a hundred and thirty - six milliseconds ,PhD D: The low f fPhD B: Yeah .Professor C: which , uh {disfmarker} What was the total we ended up withthrough the whole system ?PhD B: Three hundred and thirty .Professor C: So that would be within {disfmarker} ?PhD B: Yeah , but there are other points actually, uh , which will perhaps add some more delay . Is that some other {disfmarker} other stuff in the process were perhaps not very {disfmarker} um perf well , notvery correct , like the downsampling which w was simply dropping frames .Professor C: Yeah .PhD B: Um , so we will try also to add a nice downsampling havinga filter that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker}Professor C: Uh - huh .PhD B: well , a low - pass filter at {disfmarker} at twenty - five hertz . Uh , because wh when{disfmarker} when we look at the LDA filters , well , they are basically low - pass but they leave a lot of what 's above twenty - five hertz .Professor C: Yeah .PhDB: Um , and so , yeah , this will be another filter which would add ten milliseconds again .Professor C: Yeah .PhD B: Um , yeah , and then there 's a third thing , isthat , um , basically the way on - line normalization was done uh , is just using this recursion on {disfmarker} on the um , um , on the feature stream ,ProfessorC: Yeah .PhD B: and {disfmarker} but this is a filter , so it has also a delay . Uh , and when we look at this filter actually it has a delay of eighty - five milliseconds. So if we {disfmarker}Professor C: Eighty - five .PhD B: Yeah . If we want to be very correct , so if we want to {disfmarker} the estimation of the mean t t to{disfmarker} to be {disfmarker} well , the right estimation of the mean , we have to t to take eighty - five milliseconds in the future . Mmm .Professor C: Hmm !That 's a little bit of a problem .PhD B: Yeah . Um , But , well , when we add up everything it 's {disfmarker} it will be alright . We would be at six so , sixty - five ,plus ten , plus {disfmarker} for the downsampling , plus eighty - five for the on - line normalization . So it 'sProfessor C: Uh ,PhD B: plus {disfmarker} plus eightyfor the neural net and PCA .Professor C: yeah , but then there 's {disfmarker} Oh .PhD B: So it would be around two hundred and forty {disfmarker} so , well,Professor C: Just {disfmarker} just barely in there .PhD B: plus {disfmarker} plus the frames , but it 's OK .PhD A: What 's the allowable ?Professor C: Two - fifty, unless they changed the rules .PhD B: Hmm .Professor C: Which there is {disfmarker} there 's some discussion of .PhD A: What were they thinking of changingit to ?Professor C: But {disfmarker}PhD B: Yeah .Professor C: Uh , well the people who had very low latency want it to be low {disfmarker} uh , very{disfmarker} {vocalsound} very very narrow , uh , latency bound . And the people who have longer latency don't . So .PhD A: Huh .PhD B: So , yeah .ProfessorC: Unfortunately we 're the main ones with long latency , butPhD A: Ah !Professor C: But , uh ,PhD B: Yeah , and basically the best proposal had something likethirty or forty milliseconds of latency .Professor C: you know , it 's {disfmarker} Yeah .PhD B: So . Well .Professor C: Yeah , so they were basically {disfmarker} Imean , they were more or less trading computation for performance and we were , uh , trading latency for performance . And they were dealing with noiseexplicitly and we weren't , and so I think of it as complementary , that if we can put the {disfmarker}PhD A: Think of it as what ?Professor C: Complementary.PhD A: Hmm .Professor C: I think the best systems {disfmarker} so , uh , everything that we did in in a way it was {disfmarker} it was just adamantly insistingon going in with a brain damaged system , which is something {disfmarker} actually , we 've done a lot over the last thirteen years . Uh , {vocalsound} which iswe say , well this is the way we should do it . And then we do it . And then someone else does something that 's straight forward . So , w th w this was a test thatlargely had additive noise and we did {disfmarker} we adde did absolutely nothing explicitly to handle ad additive noise .PhD A: Right .Professor C: We just , uh ,you know , trained up systems to be more discriminant . And , uh , we did this , uh , RASTA - like filtering which was done in the log domain and was tending tohandle convolutional noise . We did {disfmarker} we actually did nothing about additive noise . So , um , the , uh , spectral sub subtraction schemes a coupleplaces did seem to seem to do a nice job . And so , uh , we 're talking about putting {disfmarker} putting some of that in while still keeping some of our stuff . Ithink you should be able to end up with a system that 's better than both but clearly the way that we 're operating for this other stuff does involved some latencyto {disfmarker} to get rid of most of that latency . To get down to forty or fifty milliseconds we 'd have to throw out most of what we 're doing . And {disfmarker}and , uh , I don't think there 's any good reason for it in the application actually . I mean , you 're {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker} you 're speaking to arecognizer on a remote server and , uh , having a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a quarter second for some processing to clean it up . It doesn't seem like it 's thatbig a deal .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor C: These aren't large vocabulary things so the decoder shouldn't take a really long time , and .PhD A: And I don't thinkanybody 's gonna notice the difference between a quarter of a second of latency and thirty milliseconds of latency .Professor C: So . No . What {disfmarker} whatdoes {disfmarker} wa was your experience when you were doing this stuff with , uh , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the surgical , uh , uh , microscopes andso forth . Um , how long was it from when somebody , uh , finished an utterance to when , uh , something started happening ?PhD A: Um , we had a silencedetector , so we would look for the end of an utterance based on the silence detector .Professor C: Mm - hmm .PhD A: And I {disfmarker} I can't remember nowoff the top of my head how many frames of silence we had to detect before we would declare it to be the end of an utterance .Professor C: Mm - hmm . Mm -hmm .PhD A: Um , but it was , uh , I would say it was probably around the order of two hundred and fifty milliseconds .Professor C: Yeah , and that 's when you'd start doing things .PhD A: Yeah , we did the back trace at that point to get the answer .Professor C: Yeah . Of course that didn't take too long at that point .PhDA: No , no it was pretty quick .Professor C: Yeah .PhD A: So {disfmarker}Professor C: Yeah , so you {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} so you had aPhD A: thiswProfessor C: so you had a {disfmarker} a quarter second delay before , uh , plus some little processing time ,PhD A: Right .Professor C: and then the{disfmarker} the microscope would start moving or something .PhD A: Right .Professor C: Yeah .PhD A: Right .Professor C: And there 's physical inertia there , soprobably the {disfmarker} the motion itself was all {disfmarker}PhD A: And it felt to , uh , the users that it was instantaneous . I mean , as fast as talking to aperson . It {disfmarker} th I don't think anybody ever complained about the delay .Professor C: Yeah , so you would think as long as it 's under half a second or"}
{"doc_id":"doc_37","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Think we can first {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Mm .User Interface: Right it was function F_ eight or something .Industrial Designer:ThaUser Interface: This one right there .Industrial Designer: Okay .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Who is gonna do a PowerPoint presentation ?UserInterface: Think we all {gap} {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: You will as well ?User Interface: Huh . Oh I thought we all were .Industrial Designer: Okay .UserInterface: Yeah , I have one too , okay .Project Manager: {gap} .User Interface: SIndustrial Designer: Yep .Marketing: {gap} .User Interface: Whoops I forgot toput the thing on {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Project Manager: Right . I just wanna {disfmarker} 'cause basically I can't re I've {disfmarker} really crap atremembering everyone's name so I just wanna {disfmarker} rather than going uh Miss Marketing and Miss this and Miss that {vocalsound} wanted to know yournames again .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Okay I'm {disfmarker}Project Manager: {gap} just gonna leave this up here 'cause I'll {vocalsound} youknow . So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Okay .User Interface: Yeah . Sure , that's a good idea .Industrial Designer: I'm Catherine with a C_ . C_A_T_H_ E_R_I_N_E_ .Project Manager: Okay , andUser Interface: Uh Gabriel .Project Manager: Gabriel . E_L_ is it ?User Interface: E_L_ .Project Manager: 'Kay . And you're sr R_E_I_S_S_ {vocalsound} {gap}Marketing: I am Reissa . R_E_I_S_S_A_ . Double S_ A_ , yeah {vocalsound} yeah . Sorry .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: 'S just a bit nicer calling people by their names I think .Industrial Designer: Right .User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: True .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh , right .Marketing: Mm 'kay .Project Manager: Okay , right , welcome to meeting B_ . Um this is gonna go a lotbetter than the last meeting , basically ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: uh 'cause I know what I'm supposed tobe doing now .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} I am your Project Manager , and , uh yeah , I'm justhere toIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {gap} sort of liaise between the three of you and get things going , get people talking and and I'mgonna be making notes and sending them off to the powers that be and stuff basically . Um right , this {disfmarker} for the purposes of this meeting{disfmarker} what this meeting is all about is um I'm gonna have some presentations from all three of you , what you've been working on for the last wee while ,when you haven't been getting hit with spam on your computers and and , you know , filling out silly questionnaires and things .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: But hopefully you've been {disfmarker} actually been doing something productive . So we're gonna{disfmarker} each of you gonna give us a litt a little presentation . {vocalsound} Um .Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: Then we're gonna {vocalsound} work ,you know , from each of your presentations . We'll we'll uh talk about what we actually need as a final coming together of it all . Um and then we'll , yeah , we'll{gap} sort of conclude {gap} anything else comes up at the end of it .Industrial Designer: How long is the meeting ?Project Manager: This meeting it's not verylong . It's uh probably down to about thirty five minutes now . So I want each of your presentations to not be too long , five five minutes , something like that.Industrial Designer: Okay . {vocalsound} No problem . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um if you haven't done a PowerPoint thingy , it doesn't matter , it it just itjust says that you {disfmarker} it's {disfmarker} that's just one particular medium . If you haven't had time to prepare one , you can draw stuff on the noteboard, you can talk to us , you can {disfmarker} you know however you want to do your little presentation , basically , you can . Don't feel pressurised into using thisthing . 'Cause I don't .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh okay . So um . You okay over there ? Reissa ,Marketing: I'm fine .Yeah .Project Manager: are you uh b are you joining in with this meeting hereMarketing: I uh yeah , yeah .Project Manager: or are y or are y or are you are youjust are you just uh doing some Internet shopping there ? {vocalsound}User Interface: Think she's finishing up her presentation .Marketing: D I mean , I I'mfinishing off my presentation .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: No no . {vocalsound} Uh I'm done . Okay .Project Manager: Okay , jolly good . Alright, let's have um {disfmarker} well , we all know that it's it's a remote control that we're gonna be dealing with .Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: I think the firstthing we should look at is um {vocalsound} probably the um what it is that it is actually supposed to be . So that's gonna be you Catherine ,Industrial Designer:Okay .Project Manager: if we wanna hear from you first .Industrial Designer: Okay . Um just connecting this .Project Manager: You don't have to worry aboutscrewing it in just {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Are we getting i Really ?Project Manager: there you go .Industrial Designer: Okay . Cool . Okay . So I've got avery quick uh {disfmarker} Uh . Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So the working design , I've got a very quick presentation on this , so umI've {disfmarker} oh no , you can't see a thing . {vocalsound} Oh well , I'm gonna draw it on the board then . It's in blue uh , and I couldn't change it .UserInterface: Oh . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Ah .Industrial Designer: We it's fine on my screen , but never mind . So um {vocalsound} the idea is that we'vegot the energy source um , which in our case will pr , oh well {disfmarker} okay , never mind . So um I think maybe uh two batteries , I dunno what they'recalled {gap} six , or something like that .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Uh and then {vocalsound} um then on the uh remote control itself willhave um the sender for the signal , which could be uh an infra-red signal , um which will be sent by an electronic chip . And uh the chip will be controlled by theuser interface . So we'll hear about that later from Gabriel .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: And uh the sender will send to the telly itself aninfra-red signal to tell it to switch on or switch channels . Um and that's it really for the working design .Project Manager: Great . Okay .Industrial Designer: Sorrythe presentation wasn't very uh clear but {disfmarker}Project Manager: I prefer the pe I prefer the human touch personally .Industrial Designer: Really ? Cool.Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Um , should I erase this or {disfmarker}Project Manager: Do you wanna just give us a moment , I just wanna copythis down .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: Um I dunno if you guys have got any questions for Catherine on any of this ?Industrial Designer: Fine .{vocalsound} Or suggestions ?Marketing: Is a battery like the only way of {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Well , it's just , you don't want it plugged in really ,sUser Interface: Yeah , alternate energy source , like win wind power or {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah , you blow on it and i{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: In indoors . {vocalsound}Marketing: No , no {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} Bicycle power .Marketing: No I meantlike {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: No 'cause like cha 'cause {disfmarker} always changing um um batteries can get like annoying.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: The battery's down and {disfmarker} maybe {vocalsound} , I dunno , solar charged ? {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: I dunno , swi I th I th I think changing your batteries once every six months is not really a pain , but {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah , it's workedfor the last fifty years you know .Marketing: Mm . Yeah .User Interface: One question I have , and I don't know how much control we have over this is um , as faras the infra-red signal , do we have control over , you know , how far away you can be from the receiving unit , the the T_V_ , and still have it be operational ? Imean , maybe we want one with a strong signal stream .Project Manager: How far away is your television ?Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: It's nevergonna be more than it's never gonna be , you kno unless you've got a T_V_ the size of a football pitch , it's not {disfmarker} doesn't have to go that far ,UserInterface: Uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Well , the thing is uh you you don't {disfmarker}Project Manager: does it ? Doesn't have to go through a wall ,because you're not gonna be looking through a wall .User Interface: That's true .Marketing: Yeah , but if like you're on the phone in the other room and you needturn television off or something and you don't really want to go into the {disfmarker} put the telephone down , and go into the other room .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Well , we can make the the signal strong enough to go through walls if if you fancy it . I didn't think about that but{disfmarker}Marketing: How about Bluetooth ? {gap} Instead of using infra-red , use Bluetooth .Industrial Designer: Why not ? I just think that it's it's gonnacost moreMarketing: Isn't that a better signal ?Project Manager: Yeah , yeah I d it sounds like you {gap} you w don't wanna overcomplicate things .IndustrialDesigner: and I'm I'm not sure it's {disfmarker} you're gonna use it .Marketing: Mm {vocalsound} .Project Manager: You know we don't need it .IndustrialDesigner: It's a fancy idea uh it's quite nice , but then I don't th I dunno , either you {disfmarker} if you wanna watch the telly you're in the room ,ProjectManager: Yeah , exactly .Industrial Designer: you are gonna {disfmarker}Project Manager: Basically , we're we're desi we're designing and marketing a televisionremote control unit .Industrial Designer: But {disfmarker}Project Manager: We're not w w w w designing something that you can plug in a headset to and andyou know connect to your laptop computer and stuff . It's uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: Oh , we can we can keep the idea if you i We cansee at a later stage , maybe , I don't {disfmarker}Marketing: 'S just an idea .Project Manager: Okay . Right , well done , Catherine . Um Gab Gabriel let's uh let'shear from you on on on such things .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Do you need the border ?User Interface: Uh I'm just gonna use the PowerPoint uh.Industrial Designer: Okay . {vocalsound} Sorry .User Interface: Technical {gap} . Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: Okay , so , whilethis is warming up ,Marketing: Adjusting .User Interface: there it is uh .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: So I'm doing the user interface design .Project Manager:Mm-hmm .User Interface: Yeah , and basically uh , as far as methods , I was I was looking looking at looking at uh already existing remotes , trying to find someinspiration from designs that are already out there . Thinking of what we can retain , what we can do away with , uh what we what we can perfect a little bit as faras design um . {gap} we don't want to do something that's too radical of a change , I guess , I mean people want a remote that's familiar , that has their"}
{"doc_id":"doc_38","qid":"","text":"Grad B: Sorry . Mental {disfmarker} mental Palm Pilot . Right . Hence {pause} no problem .Grad F: Let 's see . So . What ? I 'm supposed to be on channel five ?Her . Nope . Doesn't seem to be ,Grad B: Hello {pause} I 'm channel one .Grad F: yeah .Grad D: Grad E: What does your thing say on the back ?Grad D: Testing.Grad F: Nnn , five . Alright , I 'm five .Grad D: Sibilance . Sibilance . {comment} {pause} Three , three . I am three .Grad B: Eh .Grad D: See , that matches theseat up there . So .Grad F: Yeah , well , I g guess {pause} it 's coming up then , or {disfmarker}Grad D: Cuz it 's {disfmarker} That starts counting from zeroand these start counting from one . Ergo , the classic off - by - one error .Grad B: But mine is correct .Grad D: Is it ?Grad E: No .Grad B: It 's one . Channel one.Grad D: Your mike {pause} number {pause} is what we 're tGrad E: Look at the back .Grad B: Oh , oh , oh ! Oh .Grad D: Ho !Grad B: So {disfmarker}Grad D: I've bested you again , Nancy .Grad B: But your p No , but the paper 's correct .Grad D: The paper is correct .Grad B: Look at the paper .Grad D: I didn't det I wassaying the microphone , not the paper .Professor C: Nnn ,Grad B: Oh .Professor C: it 's nGrad B: OK .Professor C: It 's always offset . Yeah .Grad B: Yes , you 'vebested me again . That 's how I think of our continuing interaction . Damn ! Foiled again !Grad D: So is Keith showing up ? He 's talking with George right now .Uh , is he gonna get a rip {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} rip himself away from {disfmarker} from that ?Grad B: He 'll probably come later .Professor C: What{disfmarker} He - he he 's probably not , is my guess .Grad D: Oh , then it 's just gonna be the five of us ?Professor C: Yeah .Grad E: Well , he {disfmarker} hewas very affirmative in his way of saying he will be here at four . But {pause} you know , that was before he knew about that George lecture probably .ProfessorC: Right . This {disfmarker} this is not {disfmarker} It 's not bad for the project if Keith is talking to George . OK . So my suggestion is we justGrad B: Forgeahead .Professor C: Forge ahead , yeah .Grad E: Cool .Grad B: Are you in charge ?Grad E: Sure . Um . Well , I sort of had informal talks with most of you . So ,Eva just reported she 's really happy about the {pause} CBT 's being in the same order in the XML as in the um {disfmarker} be Java declaration formatGrad F:Yeah . The eGrad E: so you don't have to do too much in the style sheet transversion .Grad F: Uh , yeah . Yeah , so .Grad E: The {disfmarker} uh , Java{disfmarker} the embedded Bayes {pause} wants to take input {disfmarker} uh , uh , a Bayes - net {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in some Java notation and Evais using the Xalan style sheet processor to convert the XML that 's output by the Java Bayes for the {disfmarker} into the , uh , E Bayes input .Grad D: Mmm.Grad F: Actually , maybe I could try , like , emailing the guy and see if he has any something already .Professor C: Sure .Grad E: Hmm .Grad F: That 'd be weird, that he has both the Java Bayes and the embedded Bayes in {disfmarker}Grad D: But that 's some sort of conversion program ?Grad F: Yeah . Yeah . And putthem into different {pause} formats . Oh {disfmarker}Grad D: I think you should demand things from him .Grad F: Yep , he could do that , too .Professor C: Hecharges so much . Right .Grad D: Yeah .Professor C: No , I think it 's a good idea that you may as well ask . Sure .Grad F: Yeah .Grad E: And , um , well {pause}pretty mu pretty much on t on the top of my list , I would have asked Keith how the \" where is X ? \" {pause} hand parse is standing . Um . {pause} But we 'llskip that . Uh , there 's good news from Johno . The generation templates are done .Grad D: So the trees {pause} for {disfmarker} the XML trees for the{disfmarker} for the gene for the synthesizer are written . So I just need to {pause} do the , uh {disfmarker} write a new set of {pause} tree combining rules .But I think those 'll be pretty similar to the old ones . So . Just gonna be {disfmarker} you know {disfmarker}Professor C: Oh ! You were gonna send me a noteabout hiring {disfmarker}Grad E: Yes .Professor C: I didn't finish the sentence but he understood it .Grad D: I know what he 's talking about .Professor C: OK .But Nancy doesn't .Grad B: Hiring somebody .Grad E: We {disfmarker} w um {disfmarker}Grad D: The guy .Grad E: OK , so {pause} natural languagegeneration {pause} produces not a {disfmarker} just a surface string that is fed into a text - to - speech but , a {pause} surface string with a syntax tree that 'sfed into a concept - to - speech .Professor C: No .Grad B: Yeah . Mm - hmm . Better .Grad E: Now and this concept - to - speech module has {pause} certainrules on how {pause} if you get the following syntactic structure , how to map this onto prosodic rules .Grad B: Mm - hmm . Sure . Mm - hmm .Grad E: And Feyhas foolheartedly agreed to rewrite uh , the German concept uh syntax - to - prosody rules {disfmarker}Grad B: I didn't know she spoke German .Grad E: No ,she doesn't .Grad B: Oh , OK .Grad E: But she speaks English .Grad B: Oh . Rewrite the German ones into English . OK , got it .Grad E: Into English . And umtherefore {pause} the , uh {disfmarker} if it 's OK that we give her a couple of more hours per week , then {pause} she 'll do that .Grad B: OK , got it .Grad D:What {pause} language is that {pause} written i Is that that Scheme thing that you showed me ?Grad E: Yeah . That 's the LISP - type scheme .Grad D: Sheknows how to program in Scheme ? I hope ?Grad E: No , I {disfmarker} My guess is {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I asked for a commented version of that file ? Ifwe get that , then it 's {pause} doable , even without getting into it , even though the Scheme li uh , stuff is really well documented in the {pause} Festival .GradD: Well , I guess if you 're not used to functional programming , Scheme can be completely incomprehensible . Cuz , there 's no {disfmarker} Like {pause} there's lots of unnamed functionsProfessor C: Syntax . Yeah .Grad D: and {disfmarker}Grad B: Mm - hmm .Grad D: You know ?Professor C: Anyway , it {disfmarker}We 'll sort this out . Um . But anyway , send me the note and then I 'll - I 'll check with , uh , Morgan on the money . I {disfmarker} I don't anticipate anyproblem but we have to {pause} ask . Oh , so this was {disfmarker} {nonvocalsound} You know , on the generation thing , um if {comment} sh y she 's reallygoing to do that , then we should be able to get prosody as well . So it 'll say it 's nonsense with perfect intonation .Grad D: Are we gonna {disfmarker} Can wechange the voice of the {disfmarker} of the thing , because right now the voice sounds like a murderer .Grad E: Yep . We ha we have to change the voice .GradB: Wh - Which one ?Grad D: The {disfmarker} the little Smarticus {disfmarker} Smarticus sounds like a murderer .Grad B: Oh .Grad A: That 's good to know.Grad D: \" I have your reservations . \"Grad A: But I will not give them to you unless you come into my lair .Grad E: It is {disfmarker} Uh , we have the choicebetween the , uh , usual Festival voices , which I already told the SmartKom people we aren't gonna use because they 're really bad .Grad B: Festival ?ProfessorC: It 's the name of some program ,Grad B: Oh , oh . Got it . OK .Professor C: the {disfmarker} the synthesizer .Grad A: You know , the usual party voices .GradE: But , umGrad B: Yeah , I know . That doesn't sound , {vocalsound} exactly right either .Grad E: OGI has , uh , crafted a couple of diphone type voices that arereally nice and we 're going to use {pause} that . We can still , um , d agree on a gender , if we want . So we still have male or female .Grad B: I think{disfmarker} Well , let 's just pick whatever sounds best .Grad E: Hmm ?Grad B: Whatever sounds best .Grad E: Uh .Grad B: Unfortunately , probably malevoices , a bit more research on .Grad D: Does OGI stand for {disfmarker} ? {comment} Original German Institute ?Professor C: OregoGrad B: So .Professor C:OrGrad E: Oregon .Grad B: Oregon Graduate InstiProfessor C: Oregon @ @ {comment} Graduate InstituteGrad D: Oh .Grad E: Try Oregon .Grad D: Ah.Professor C: It turns out there 's the long - standing links with these guys in the speech group .Grad B: Hmm !Professor C: Very long .Grad D: Hmm !Grad E:Hmm .Professor C: In fact , there 's this guy who 's basically got a joint appointment , Hynek {pause} Hermansky . He 's - spends a fair amount of time here .Anyway . Leave it . Won't be a problem .Grad E: OK . And it 's probably also absolutely uninteresting for all of you to , um learn that as of twenty minutes ago ,David and I , per accident , uh managed to get the whole SmartKom system running on the {disfmarker} uh , ICSI Linux machines with the ICSI NT machinesthereby increasing the number of running SmartKom systems in this house from {pause} one on my laptop to three .Grad B: Mmm , that 's good .Grad D: Howwas this by accident ?Grad B: Yeah , I know . Tha - that 's the part I didn't understand .Grad E: Um , I suggested to try something that was really kind of{disfmarker} even though against better knowledge shouldn't have worked , but it worked .Grad B: Hmm !Grad E: Intuition .Grad A: Yeah .Grad B: Will it workagain ,Grad E: Maybe {disfmarker} maybe {disfmarker} maybe a bit for the AI i intuition thing .Grad B: or {disfmarker} ?Grad D: Yeah .Grad E: OK . And , um ,we 'll never found out why . It - it 's just like why {disfmarker} why the generation ma the presentation manager is now working ?Grad A: Hmm ! This issomething you ha you get used to as a programmer , right ?Grad E: WhichGrad A: You know , {comment} and it 's cool , it works out that way .Grad E: Hmm .So , {vocalsound} the {disfmarker} the people at Saarbruecken and I decided not to touch it ever again . Yeah , that would work . OK . Um {disfmarker} I wasgonna ask you where something is and what we know about that .Grad A: Where {disfmarker} OK .Grad B: Where the \" where is \" construction is .Grad A: What{disfmarker} what thing is this ?Grad E: Where is X ?Grad A: OK .Grad E: Oh , but by {disfmarker} Uh , we can ask , uh , did you get to read all four hundredwords ?Professor C: I did .Grad E: Was it OK ? Was it ?Professor C: Yeah .Grad D: I {disfmarker} I wa I was looking at it . It doesn't follow logically . It doesn't{disfmarker} The first paragraph doesn't seem to have any link to the second paragraph .Grad A: And so on .Professor C: Yeah .Grad D: Yeah .Grad E: Hmm .That {disfmarker}Professor C: You know , i Yeah , it {disfmarker}Grad D: Each paragraph is good , though . I liProfessor C: I i Yeah . Well , it it 's fine .Grad A: Itwas written by committee .Professor C: Anyway . Um . But c the meeting looks like it 's , it 's gonna be good . So . I think it 's uh {disfmarker}Grad E: Yeah .GradB: Yeah , I didn't know about it until {pause} Robert told me , like , Professor C: Yeah , I {disfmarker} I ra I ran across it in {disfmarker} I don't even knowwhere , you know {disfmarker} some just {disfmarker} some weird place . And , uh , yeah , I I 'm surprised I didn't know about itGrad B: Y yeah . Well , yeah . Iwas like , why didn't Dan tell me ?Professor C: since we know all the invited speakers , anGrad A: Right .Professor C: Right , or some Anyway . So {disfmarker}But anyway , yeah . I so I {disfmarker} I did see that . Oh wha Yeah . Before we get started on this st so I also had a nice email correspondence with Daphne"}
{"doc_id":"doc_39","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay ? Good afternoon . Hope you have good lunch .User Interface: Hi .Industrial Designer: Afternoon . Yeah , we had falafel.Project Manager: Oh . Nice . And you ?User Interface: Uh , yes , I had something similar but non-vegetarian .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . So today isum our third meeting . It will be about the conceptual design {vocalsound} uh . If I come back to uh the minutes of the last meetings um . We decided not to gofor speech recognition technologies because of some reasons and we are not decided about u the use of L_C_D_ screen on on the remote control because of costs. So maybe we cou wi will be able to clarify this this question to today . Uh at the end of the meeting we should take decision on that point . So I hope uh thatyour respective pr presentations uh will help us . So each of you have some presentatio presentation to perform um who starts ?Marketing: Okay , {gap} .ProjectManager: So marketing .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} So you are {disfmarker} yousaved your y your presentation somewhere ?Marketing: Yep .Project Manager: So you're four ?Marketing: Four , yeah .Project Manager: Which is trend watch .{vocalsound} Okay . Mr Marketing Experts .Marketing: Yeah that's me .Project Manager: So {gap} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Uh . Well I investigatethe preference more d I investigate deeper the preference of the users . Uh so the the current investigation th uh th uh sorry the current the n current trends?User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Yeah ? Okay . {vocalsound} {gap} Okay . {vocalsound} Well wha {vocalsound} what I found{disfmarker} um can you {disfmarker}Project Manager: Next slide ? Yeah .Marketing: Yeah . Thank you . What I found in order of importance from less to moreimportant is that people want an easy to use device . After they they want something new technologic technologically speaking , but the most {disfmarker} whatthey what they find more more interesting , more {disfmarker} or more important it's uh a fancy look and feel instead of uh instead of the current the currenttrend which was f the functional look and feel .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: So now more more cool aspect , ma more {disfmarker} a cooleraspect uh rather than a device with many functions and many buttons with {disfmarker} instead of i instead of ha of a device which can do many things , a devicewhich is pleasant to to watch , to see .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Uh also {disfmarker} Well {vocalsound} in in Euro in in Paris and and {vocalsound}Milan the {disfmarker} {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: in Paris and in Paris and Milan the the currenttrend of {gap} uh of clothes , furniture and all this all this fashion it's {vocalsound} it's fruit and the the the theme is fruit and vegetables .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: And also {vocalsound} in the in the U_S_A_ the the current {disfmarker} the mor the most popular feeling it's it'sa spongy . Spongy means eponge ?Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: So maybe we should we should think in in this direction , so {disfmarker}UserInterface: What what do you mean by {vocalsound} fruit and vegetables and spongy ?Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: What {disfmarker} you meanclotheIndustrial Designer: Spongy means it it's like spMarketing: Fruit vegetables is the the new {disfmarker} have you seen the last exposition of clothes inMilan ?User Interface: No , I missed that one .Marketing: Yeah , I I didn't miss an {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: I didn't miss and I saw that the fruit , there are many fr pictures of fruits and vegetables in the clothes.User Interface: Oh , they're {disfmarker} okay so they're not like dressed as a carrot they just have like pictures of fruit on , okay .Marketing: No no , not notyet , not yet .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah , yeah .User Interface: So we're not gonna have a remote control in the shape of of a banana,Marketing: So te textu textures , yeah .User Interface: just maybe {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Vegetable texturesand all this kind .Project Manager: Drawings of bananas .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Uh {vocalsound}UserInterface: Okay and {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Project Manager: Uh-huh .Marketing: yeah , yeah .Industrial Designer: But what's your suggestion how we canhave some shape like that on the remote ?Project Manager: Well so this is in the next slide certainly .Marketing: Uh no no , it's not .Project Manager: It's not ?{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} It's {disfmarker} {vocalsound}User Interface: So which fruit are you thinking of ?Marketing:And {disfmarker} Um .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {gap} I ha I haven't thought of any particular fruit , but thegeneral aspect of the of the remote control may may {disfmarker} could remind some kind of vegetable , some kind of instead of vegetable , some natur mm uhnatural object or something .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: But yeah it it depends on the {disfmarker}Project Manager: So maybe you maybe youcan display a banana on the L_C_D_ . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh , so you want the remote control to be the shape of a fruit ,Project Manager:{vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: or you want just some kind of like fruit logo on the {disfmarker} {gap}Industrial Designer: Means buttons are in theshape of fruits ,Marketing: Yeah maybe the shape the shape {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: buttons are in the frape {disfmarker} shape of fruits or something ,apple , banana , something like that .Marketing: No , not n not not too much focus , not too much focu not n not too s not too similar to a fruit because next yearthe ten the trend the trend will be different .Project Manager: Apple for channel one . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm.Marketing: So we shouldn't be at re really attached to to the trendUser Interface: So something that looks half like a fruit and half like an elephant .{vocalsound}Marketing: but {disfmarker} For instance , yeah . African or as an elephant ?Industrial Designer: That we can discuss afterwards {vocalsound}.Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .User Interface: But {disfmarker} okay ,Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: I'm not , I'm not really sure if uh thatwould really appeal to everyone though , maybe just to fashion gurus , like maybe just like a little bit n a little fruit picture somewhere in the corner , but I don'tknow about uh I dunno how ergonomic a , an orange is .Marketing: Well ma maybe we we should further specify what target are we focusing . I think in myopinion we should focus on on young people because they are more open to new devi new devicesUser Interface: To fruit ?Marketing: and also yeah according tothe marketing report ninety p ninety five percent of young people was {vocalsound} was was able to to buy a a n a cooler remote control .User Interface: But is ituh is fruit cool ?Marketing: What ?Project Manager: That's a question .Marketing: What ?User Interface: Is fruit cool ?Marketing: Yeah ? Uh {disfmarker} Is thenew trend of the {disfmarker}User Interface: Well I guess , you know , Apple has the iPod so , {vocalsound} imagi {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}UserInterface: just 'cause they have an apple on their on their product , doesn't mean fruit is cool . {vocalsound}Marketing: No I think we we should think about a ashape with it {disfmarker} a device with a shape of some {disfmarker}User Interface: Okay , but it has to be easy to uh to use though and to hold you know ,you don't wanna pear or a watermelon . {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah . Don don't you think we can find uh the shape of a fruit which is handy to use ?UserInterface: Well , probably the only thing is a banana that I can think of ,Industrial Designer: Banana .User Interface: a cucumber .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm.Project Manager: Maybe too long .User Interface: I dunno .Marketing: Or mUser Interface: Maybe . Too green .Marketing: Maybe . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound}User Interface: So , but I mean you also have to {disfmarker} you have to also have , fit r all the buttons and {disfmarker} you know.Project Manager: A banana .Marketing: Um {disfmarker}User Interface: It's , it {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: The thing is you have t normallywith um with buttons , they have to be at some point attached to a circuit board so if you're gonna have things like {gap} on a cylindrical kind of device it may bedifficult to kind of to build .Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I don't th it will be rolling a lot .Marketing: Yeah but I li I like youridea that we shouldn't have a lot of buttons b buttons soProject Manager: Okay . Yeah and you you you will not have pla enough {disfmarker} a lot of place to puta L_C_D_ on a banana also .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Uh do you want a an L_C_D_ with twenty five Euros ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Well , you're the Marketing Expert you should tell us if it is too much or not .User Interface: Well , this is {disfmarker}Marketing: I think {disfmarker} Well ,according to the to the report people are more interested in in a fa fancy look and feel and in a technological inno in innovation ,Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: so , I will give more importance to the look and feel than {disfmarker} rather than theProject Manager: {vocalsound} So {disfmarker}So you you you suggest to go fMarketing: new inputs and also it's {disfmarker} I'm not convinced about this L_C_D_ because you need uh internet connection ,you need more things , it's not just buying a new control re remote , you need {disfmarker} buying control remote , buying uhProject Manager: Okay .{vocalsound} S so you're simplyMarketing: more things . It's not so simple .Project Manager: you're simply looking s to a remote control that looks like a bananawith few buttons {disfmarker} with only a few buttons .Marketing: For instance , yeah . Yeah for for for {disfmarker} given an an example yeah .{vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay good . So maybe you can go ahead ?Marketing: Yeah no , it's what I already said .Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound}Thanks . Um . Okay , I'll give the floor . So you are User Interface guy . So you're three ?User Interface: Okay . Yeah .Project Manager: And it's this one .UserInterface: Yep .Project Manager: Go for it .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yep . Okay . So . S next uh slide . Okay . So I received an email um around lunchtimeletting me know that the brilliant minds at our technology division had developed an integrated programmable sample sensor sample speaker unit , um which is away for you to have a conversation with your coffee machine and or remote control {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: But it's just a speaker right ?UserInterface: It's {disfmarker} no , what it is , it's it's very {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: It's not a microphone .User Interface: It has a has a microphone , has a"}
{"doc_id":"doc_40","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: So we are here to talk about functional design . Now hopefully we've all got a better idea from {vocalsound} {disfmarker} than we did f leavingthe last meeting as to what it is we are up to now . So here's an agenda . Uh I'll open . Um you should know that I'll be taking minutes during all the meetings ,as I was struggling to our last time uh and that'll be easier for me now because I'm not actually giving the whole presentation . Uh the additional points are justthe stuff that we sent and that I forwarded on from upper management having a few bright ideas to make our lives painful .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Project Manager: Um {vocalsound} now {vocalsound} you can all give your presentations . We can talk about the requirements and hopefully cometo some decisions . {vocalsound} Right , forty minutes for this meeting , so a bit more time than the last one . Here's the additional points I just wanted to putthose in there to see if you guys had any comments on them . Uh did you all receive that email ?User Interface: Yep .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: So doesanyone have any overall {gap}Marketing: Well {vocalsound} uh what comes up for me is that if we're gonna if we're gonna be marketing a product that is goingto be uh having {vocalsound} no teletext , people are very comfortable {vocalsound} with {vocalsound} the idea of having teletext and using teletext , and sowe're not {disfmarker} we're gonna be a new product without something that people are very comfortable having right now .Project Manager: Mm . Mm . Yep.Marketing: So that's , from a marketing perspective I I see I see a lack .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: And so we have to go , I think , in the other direction .What are we gonna have that makes this thing better than {disfmarker}Project Manager: Well tha that first point could uh also be an op opportunity because inseeing that teletext is becoming outdated , some sort remote control that can work with the Internet {disfmarker} {vocalsound} there is the opportunity that'spresented , I guess .Marketing: {vocalsound} Right . Yeah . No , I I agree with you .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: So what I'm talking about is I see thatone side we're eliminating something so we have to come up with another side which is , what are we gonna be targeting our market uh that {vocalsound}identifies our product as better than {disfmarker} because it doesn't have teletext it has ta-ta-ta-ta-ta .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: So that's that's thatwas my reactions .Project Manager: Yeah . but but we are sort of being dictated that this should only be for the television .Marketing: Yeah yeah .ProjectManager: So we're quite fixed . So we're really probably , in terms of marketing , are looking for that's uh that's a cost winner rather than a fantastic new featureproduct .Marketing: Yep .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah bu but we we're designing only the remote ,Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Okay .IndustrialDesigner: we not design the T_V_ .Project Manager: Hmm .Industrial Designer: So uh we're gonna be removing the teletext out of any T_V_ that we{disfmarker} people use our remote with .Marketing: Yeah . 'Kay .Project Manager: Hmm .Marketing: That's right .Industrial Designer: So it's kind of a stupiddecision .Marketing: I think we take with you .Project Manager: But there's also the potential for mark there's a market here for our lost teletext .User Interface:Right .Project Manager: For example someone that just goes to the shop that wants a replacement {disfmarker} wants it as {vocalsound} cheap as possible .Twenty-five Euros is the selling price , we really have to innovate here I guess .Marketing: That's what I'm that's what I'm talking about is is that we have to findsomething that is gonna be very attractive about this product 'cause somebody , some people are gonna be hap unhappy 'cause it took {disfmarker} they can'tac access their teletext .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: Okay . 'Cause we're talking about {vocalsound} eighty percent or ninety percent or ninety-five percentof the televisions out there are are teletext .Project Manager: K yeah .Marketing: So so it's it's not that I'm criticizing the product at all . It's just when weeliminate that then what do we bring ? What are we bringing in to take the place of this ,Project Manager: Mm 'kay .Marketing: and we have to d {disfmarker} inmy opinion we have to double up .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: If we lose one we need to bring two or three .Project Manager: Okay . Okay Ithink that the {vocalsound} last point is probably quite uh straightforward . Obviously the the {disfmarker} w it has to be branded . 'Kay .Industrial Designer: Sothen the double R_ will be our our {disfmarker}Project Manager: On the product yeah . Can you handle that black and yellow ?User Interface: I think one of{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: I tho I tho I thou I think Rol Ro Rolls-Royce might mind , but don't worry .User Interface: I think w , yeah , one of the thingsthat we should also keep in mind um when we're doing this {disfmarker} I mean our company's slogan is we put the fashion in electronics , right . So I think ourkind of {disfmarker} our target here is to {vocalsound} have some kind of very like sleek {vocalsound} nice look remote and we want it to be functional as well ,but I think one of the main selling points is that we don't want it to be clunky like like this thing here .Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: You know we don'twanna a big clunker . We want something that looks nice and it's fashionable and so {disfmarker}Marketing: So you have this ?Project Manager: Nah . So wehave three presentations , and I think we'll go in order of participant number here . So we can have a look at the working design first from participant two . That's{disfmarker} {gap} Okay .Industrial Designer: Yes .User Interface: That's fine . Okay soProject Manager: Mm it's enough . But uh click it on off ?User Interface:so you all know me , I'm the Industrial Designer . And we've some basic components that um our remote is gonna need , just basically every remote'll need 'em.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: We need some kinda of power d power source . Um we have to decide on our our user interface , which is hisdepartment , but the in user interface is also a major component . Um we need a programmable digital signal processor to um to take the input from the user andtranslate that into uh into electronic signal , which we pass to the infra-red L_E_D_ , which you aim at the television uh which {disfmarker} and it receives thatsignal . You need a on-off switch um I don't know how that got in there . And uh we also need to um have the {vocalsound} {disfmarker} if we want a universalremote we need to have encryption codes for the different makes of T_V_s . So we need to know all the different you know all the different signals and so that'llrequire some memory as well . Um so here's just a basic layout of how how the remote would work . You ha the v the power source is in the upper right-handcorner there , and you can see that uh we have the user interface here which is connected to the chip which does all our signal processing , and then passes thatsignal on to the infra-red L_E_D_ and that signal is then emitted and received by the television at the photo-transistor . So {vocalsound} those are the basiccomponents that need to go into this and everything else is pretty much uh open to move around .Marketing: Now is {disfmarker} would this be {vocalsound}considered just a standard uh um {disfmarker}User Interface: I think any desMarketing: This is not this is not cutting edge technology we're talking here .UserInterface: No .Marketing: We're talking about existing technology .User Interface: Right I think {disfmarker}Marketing: Nothing is being modified or upgraded ornew discoveries .User Interface: Yeah this is just {disfmarker} this is just a basic layout of ev {vocalsound} of all the components that w w are gonna beabsolutely necessary f to have a working remote . We can add things in like if we wanted some voice recognition , I mean that {vocalsound} I mean{vocalsound} that you can kinda say would {vocalsound} would fall under the user interface and the digital signal processing chip .Marketing: Okay . Okay.Project Manager: Do we have an idea of costs of different components ?User Interface: Um well the most the most costly components are gonna be the chip andthe uh th it could als basically the user interface and the casing are gonna be expensive as well .Project Manager: 'Kay .User Interface: Um the L_E_D_ and thethe transistors and everything else are you know they're they're pretty cheap . So depending on what we want our functionality to be , um the chip could beexpensive or it could be cheap .Project Manager: Mm 'kay .User Interface: Um depending on the n amount of memory we need in there and stuff like that and hand h {vocalsound} you know how much power .Project Manager: Do we have any ballpark figures for that yet ? No .User Interface: Uh I don't have any figuresright now .Project Manager: 'Kay .User Interface: We uh we have to wait until we get to a more specific design phase for that .Project Manager: Yeah .UserInterface: Um but {disfmarker} and I think a significant part of the cost could be the actual the actual casing itself and and you know the the b the buttons andthings like that , I think .Marketing: N okay . Mm . Mm the shell ?User Interface: Yeah . Basically yeah .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface:So yeah . That's all I have really .Project Manager: Okay . Thanks . And we have participant three , which I believe is Pedro .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I{disfmarker}Project Manager: I can give you that to click on .Industrial Designer: Hey mouse .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Open .{vocalsound}Project Manager: And you wanna get {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: When we're fighting over it's also more {disfmarker} lot more fun .{vocalsound}Project Manager: View a slide show , that's what you wanna do , yeah ? Just go up to view .User Interface: Click , don't {disfmarker} Yeah.Industrial Designer: Uh .Project Manager: Mm 'kayIndustrial Designer: This doesn't work . {vocalsound} So yeah function design . Um you guys know me , Pedro, and um what I found is we want to do fashion and I think , honestly , we should keep technology low and just simple basically and try to aim for design . Ifbasically a case will will cost the same if it looks good or bad so we ma we have to make it look good . Um something cute and small . The big chunky remotes aredied in the eighties . So we should just go for something that people will like to actually look at .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And umalthough mo most people will buy s televisions and everything for uh {disfmarker} that have loads of loads of little functions and everything and they mostly endup using simple functions and little things and most the people won't won't get too mad of actually having to go the {disfmarker} to the s to the television to , forinstance , tune in their {disfmarker} the stations . There's no need to have that in the remote . So um um as for what I would recommend for uh the the interfacedesign , and uh I will change the colours on the on the logo , but {vocalsound} um we should go for the user-oriented device , so simple controls and good"}
{"doc_id":"doc_41","qid":"","text":"Grad E: As usual .Grad B: Yes . Whew ! I almost forgot {pause} about the meeting . I woke up twenty minutes ago , thinking , what did I forget ?Grad D: It 'sgreat how the br brain sort of does that .Grad E: Something 's not right here .Grad B: Internal alarms .Grad D: OK . So the news for me is A , my forthcomingtravel plansGrad B: Yes .Grad D: in two weeks from today ? Yeah ? More or less ? I 'll be off to Sicily and Germany for a couple , three days .Grad B: Now whatare y what are you doing there ? I forgot ?Grad D: OK , I 'm flying to Sicily basically to drop off Simon there with his grandparents . And then I 'm flying toGermany t to go to a MOKU - Treffen which is the meeting of all the module - responsible people in SmartKom ,Grad B: Mmm .Grad D: and , represent ICI andmyself I guess there . And um . That 's the mmm actual reason . And then I 'm also going up to EML for a day , and then I 'm going to {vocalsound} meet thevery big boss , Wolfgang Walster , in Saarbruecken and the System system integration people in Kaiserslautern and then I 'm flying back via Sicily pick up my soncome back here on the fourth of July . And uh .Grad E: What a great time to be coming back to theGrad B: God bless America .Grad E: You 'll see maybe{disfmarker} see the fireworks from your plane coming in .Grad D: And I 'm sure all the {disfmarker} the people at the airport will be happy to work on that day.Grad E: Yeah . You 'll get even better service than usual .Grad B: Wait , aren't you flying on Lufthansa though ?Grad D: Mm - hmm . Alitalia .Grad B: Oh . Wellthen the {disfmarker} you know , it 's not a big deal . Once you get to the United States it 'll be a problem , butGrad D: Yeah . And um , that 's that bit of news ,and the other bit of news is we had {disfmarker} you know , uh , I was visited by my German project manager who A , did like what we did {disfmarker} whatwe 're doing here , and B , is planning to come here either three weeks in July or three weeks in August , to actually work .Grad B: On {disfmarker} ?Grad D:With us .Grad B: Oh .Grad D: And we sat around and we talked and he came up {disfmarker} we came up {disfmarker} with a pretty strange idea . And that 'swhat I 'm gonna lay on you now . And um , maybe it might be ultimately the most interesting thing for Eva because she has been known to complain about thefact that the stuff we do here is not weird enough .Grad C: OK .Grad D: So this is so weird it should even make you happy .Grad C: Uh . {comment} OK .Grad E:Oh great .Grad D: Imagine if you will , {vocalsound} that we have a system that does all that understanding that we want it to do based on utterances .Grad B:Mm - hmm .Grad D: It should be possible to make that system produce questions . So if you have the knowledge of how to interpret \" where is X ? \" under givenconditions , situational , user , discourse and ontological {vocalsound} conditions , you should also be able to make that same system ask \" where is X ? \"Grad E:Mm - hmm .Grad D: in a sper certain way , based on certain intentions . So in instead of just being able to observe phenomenon , um , and , guess the intentionwe might be able just to sort of give it an intention , and make it produce an utterance .Grad E: Hmm .Grad B: Well , like in AI they generally do the take in , andthen they also do the generation phase , like Nancy 's thing . Or uh , you remember , in the {disfmarker} the hand thing in one - eighty - two , like not only was itable to recognize but it was also to generate based upon situations . You mean that sort of thing ?Grad D: Absolutely .Grad B: OK .Grad D: And once you 've donethat what we can do is have the system ask itself . And answer , understand the answer , ask something else , and enter a dialogue with itself . So the{disfmarker} the ba basic {disfmarker} the same idea as having two chess computers play against each other .Grad E: Except this smacks a little bit more of aschizophrenic computer than AI .Grad D: Yeah you c if you want , you can have two parallel {vocalsound} machines um , asking each other . What would thatgive us ? Would A be something completely weird and strange , and B , i if you look at all the factors , we will never observe people let 's say , in wheelchairsunder {disfmarker} you know , in {disfmarker} under all conditions ,Grad E: That 's good .Grad D: you know , when they say \" X \" , and there is a ride at thegoal , and the parking is good , we can never collect enough data . It 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's not possible .Grad E: Mm - hmm . Right , right .GradD: But maybe one could do some learning . If you get the system to speak to itself , you may find n break downs and errors and you may be able to learn . Andmake it more robust , maybe learn new things . And um , so there 's no {disfmarker} no end of potential things one could get out of it , if that works . And hewould like to actually work on that with us .Grad B: Well then , he probably should be coming back a year {pause} from now .Grad D: So Yeah , I w See the{disfmarker} the generation bit , making the system generate {disfmarker} generate something , {comment} is {disfmarker} shouldn't be too hard .Grad B:Well , once the system understands things .Grad E: Yeah . No problem .Grad B: I just don't think {disfmarker} I think we 're probably a year away from gettingthe system to understand things .Grad D: Yeah . Well , if we can get it to understand one thing , like our \" where is \" run through we can also , maybe , e make itsay , or ask \" where is X ? \" Or not .Grad E: Mmm , I don't know . e I 'm sort of {disfmarker} have the impression that getting it to say the right thing in the rightcircumstances is much more difficult than getting it to understand something given the circumstances and so on , you know , I mean just cuz it 's sort of harderto learn to speak correctly in a foreign language , rather than learning to understand it . Right ? I meanGrad D: Grad E: just the fact that we 'll get {disfmarker}The point is that getting it to understand one construction doesn't mean that it will n always know exactly when it 's correct to use that construction . Right ?GradD: It 's {disfmarker} it 's uh {disfmarker} Well , I 've {disfmarker} I 've done generation and language production research for fo four {disfmarker} four and ahalf years . And so it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} you 're right , it 's not the same as the understanding . It 's in some ways easier and some ways harder .nuh ?Grad E: Yeah .Grad D: But , um , I think it 'd be fun to look at it , or into that question .Grad E: Nnn , yeah .Grad D: It 's a pretty strange idea . And so that's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} But {disfmarker}Grad B: The basic idea I guess would be to give {disfmarker} allow the system to have intentions , basically? Cuz that 's basically what needs to be added to the system for it .Grad D: Well , look at th eee , I think even {disfmarker} think even {disfmarker} What it{disfmarker} would be the {disfmarker} the prior intention . So let 's uh {disfmarker} uh , let 's say we have this {disfmarker}Grad B: Well we 'd have to seedthat , I mean .Grad D: No . Let 's {disfmarker} we have to {disfmarker} we have some {disfmarker} some top - down processing , given certain setting . OK ,now we change nothing , and just say ask something . Right ?Grad B: Grad D: What would it ask ?Grad B: It wouldn't know what to ask . I mean .Grad D: ItshurGrad B: Unless it was in a situation . We 'd have to set up a situation where , it didn't know where something was and it wanted to go there .Grad D: Yeah!Grad C: Mm - hmm .Grad D: Yeah .Grad B: Which means that we 'd need to set up an intention inside of the system . Right ? Which is basically , \" I don't knowwhere something is and I need to go there \" .Grad D: Eh , nGrad E: Yeah .Grad D: Ooh , do we really need to do that ? Because ,Grad B: Well , no I guess not .ExcelGrad D: s It 's {disfmarker} i I know it 's {disfmarker} it 's strange , but look at it {disfmarker} look at our Bayes - net . If we don't have {disfmarker} Let's assume we don't have any input from the language . Right ? So there 's also nothing we could query the ontology , but we have a certain user setting . If youjust ask , what is the likelihood of that person wanting to enter some {disfmarker} something , it 'll give you an answer .Grad B: Sure .Grad D: Right ? That 'sjust how they are . And so , @ @ whatever that is , it 's the generic default intention . That it would find out . Which is , wanting to know where something is ,maybe nnn {disfmarker} and wanting {disfmarker} I don't know what it 's gonna be , but there 's gonna be something thatGrad E: Well you 're not gonna{disfmarker} are you gonna get a variety of intentions out of that then ? I mean , you 're just talking about like given this user , what 's the th what is it{disfmarker} what is that user most likely to want to do ?Grad D: Well you can observe some user and context stuff and ask , what 's the posterior probabilitiesof all of our decision nodes .Grad E: And , have it talk about {disfmarker} OK .Grad D: You could even say , \" let 's take all the priors , let 's observe nothing \" ,and query all the posterior probabilities . It - it 's gonna tell us something . Right ?Grad B: Well , it will d r assign values to all the nodes . Yes .Grad D: And{disfmarker} Yes . And come up with posterior probabilities for all the values of the decision nodes . Which , if we have an algorithm that filters out whatever the{disfmarker} the best or the most consistent answer out of that , will give us the intention ex nihilo . And that is exactly what would happen if we ask it toproduce an utterance , it would be b based on that extension , ex nihilo , which we don't know what it is , but it 's there . So we wouldn't even have to{disfmarker} t to kick start it by giving it a certain intention or observing anything on the decision node . And whatever that {disfmarker} maybe that would leadto \" what is the castle ? \" ,Grad B: I 'm just {disfmarker}Grad D: or \" what is that whatever \" .Grad B: I guess what I 'm afraid of is if we don't , you know , set upa {pause} situation , {comment} we 'll just get a bunch of garbage out , like you know , everything 's exactly thirty percent .Grad D: No {disfmarker}Grad C:Mmm .Grad D: Yeah . So what we actually then need to do is {disfmarker} is write a little script that changes all the settings , you know , go goes through all thepermutations , which is {disfmarker} we did a {disfmarker} didn't we calculate that once ?Grad B: Well that was {disfmarker} that was absurdly low , in the lastmeeting ,Grad D: It 's a {disfmarker}Grad C: Uh ,Grad B: cuz I went and looked at it cuz I was thinking , that could not be right , and it would {disfmarker} itwas on the order of twenty output nodes and something like twenty {disfmarker}Grad C: And like thirty input nodesGrad B: thirty input nodes .Grad C: or some{disfmarker}Grad B: So to test every output node , uh , would at least {disfmarker} Let 's see , so it would be two to the thirty for every output node ? Which isvery th very large .Grad D: Oh ! That 's nGrad E: Oh .Grad D: that 's {disfmarker} that 's nothing for those neural guys . I mean , they train for millions andmillions of epochs .Grad B: Well , I 'm talking aboutGrad D: So .Grad B: Oh , I was gonna take a drink of my water . I 'm talking about billions and billions andbillions and a number {disfmarker} two to the thirty is like a Bhaskara said , we had calculated out and Bhaskara believes that it 's larger than the number of"}
{"doc_id":"doc_42","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Wait for the marketing director actually , so . Anyways . Uh . See , shall we wait ? I'm not sure if he's late or delayed or whatever , so I'm gonnastart soon , we have now {disfmarker} don't have much time anyway .User Interface: Oh , there he is .Industrial Designer: Okay ,Marketing: Yes .ProjectManager: There you are ,Industrial Designer: we {disfmarker}Marketing: Sorry ,Project Manager: okay .Marketing: a little bit of pl little problem with computer.Project Manager: Uh no problem . We're about to start , so have a seat . Okay , welcome again .Marketing: {vocalsound} {gap} .Project Manager: Today ,functional design phase . I'll take you over the minutes of last last meeting . Okay , that was just to get to know each other ,Marketing: Uh .Project Manager:have a little thoughts on what your vision is and {disfmarker} on this project , so {disfmarker} I put the minutes on the {disfmarker} I made on the on the p thethe project share , so if you wanna review them , they're there . I will do so after every meeting , so if you have some information you wanna take back you canfind it there . Anyways , um today three presentations , from every one of you . Um after that I got some new project requirements from project board , so we'regonna go af go after {disfmarker} over this later . But I wanna start with uh stuff you did first , so we can see what everybody came up with . And after that wecan have the new requirements and share some thoughts , so . Who would like {disfmarker} wanna go first ?Marketing: Yeah , sure , no problem .ProjectManager: Take it .User Interface: Go ahead .Marketing: Um there was a little problem with my computer so not uh the whole uh presentation uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Anyway , let's see what you have .Marketing: Yeah . Um {disfmarker} Okay ,Project Manager: Uh it's still a bit open.Marketing: I want to open the my s oh no .Project Manager: You should close it on your own notebook , I guess . Yeah . So there ?Marketing: Oh no ,ProjectManager: Okay .Marketing: that's okay . Uh slide show . Yes . The functional requirements , it's uh {vocalsound} uh very important for uh the user , he he wantsto {disfmarker} yeah . The the method we used uh it it's not m not a slide , because it went wrong , but the method we use uh , um {vocalsound} we tested it wuh with uh a hundred uh men , and we asked them to w uh what the remote uh f feel uh like and uh what what's uh important . Uh {disfmarker}Project Manager:If I can cut in , is it people or men ? {vocalsound}Marketing: People ,Project Manager: Is it people , okay .Marketing: sorry .Project Manager: 'Cause I thought itwas only men ,Marketing: Both women and men ,Project Manager: so {disfmarker}Marketing: yeah .Project Manager: 'Kay .Marketing: Okay . Uh the findings umuh {vocalsound} seventy five percent of the users find most remote controls ugly . Um {disfmarker}User Interface: That's pretty shocking uh .{vocalsound}Project Manager: So we have to s we have to do something about that .Marketing: Yeah , and {disfmarker} yeah , most th th they want to spendmoney for a better system , for better remote control , so we can do uh a l a little uh nice things with it , and um they use {disfmarker} yeah , they use zap a lot ,um uh fifty percent say they only {disfmarker} So that's the most important things .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Um {disfmarker} oh yeah , not all of it isit on mine on my PowerPoint presentation ,Project Manager: Okay , just talk ahead .Marketing: but um uh the relevant buttons are the power , the channelselection and the volume selection .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: It's uh the most basic buttons that a user wants uh {vocalsound} to use . Uh lessimportant is tel teletext ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}Marketing: uh um they use it , but it's not uh very uh important uh on the scale of zero to tenthey six and a half uhProject Manager: Okay , that's okay .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: and {disfmarker} but not important is the channel selection ,the the {vocalsound} {disfmarker} hmm ?Project Manager: That's a little weird .Marketing: Oh , {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Which channelselection ?Marketing: the the {disfmarker} no no no no no , that's very important , but uh w and not important in the audio settings , display settingsProjectManager: Okay ,Marketing: and uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: we can we can hide those under a menu or something ,User Interface: Oh , okay .Marketing:Yeah .Project Manager: okay .Marketing: {vocalsound} Um new preferences preferences . Uh um um beep to find your control , was {disfmarker}ProjectManager: That's like a button on your T_V_ ?Marketing: that was {gap} in the test , the the most people uh f find it uh irritating uh when they cannot find a remtheir remote control ,Project Manager: Remote , okay .Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: so uh I think it's a bee beep to sound it and uh you can find it . Andanother thing uh they want was uh speech recognition um so they can say uh what they want to {disfmarker} let's go to channel one and uh that's uh kind ofthings .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: And they want maybe an uh L_C_D_ screen um to to look it um wh what's on every channel uh and uh what do I wantwith it ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: We wanna have a little preview on the remote control . Preview what's on the channel .Marketing:{vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Is that manageable ? 'Cause it sounds pretty expensive too .Project Manager: That sounds too{disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: It's possible , but uh I think it's expensive , but do continue .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: Yeah . Um{disfmarker} Uh my personal preferences is uh a button for my favourite channel , so I can uh I dunno , so I can zap to my uh f uh quick uh to my favouritechannel wh what I uh {disfmarker} so , the remote mu must see or um must um {vocalsound} see wha what mine preferences are for which channel ,ProjectManager: Okay , you don't set it yourself ,Marketing: so I can zap t to {disfmarker}Project Manager: it just remembers the channel that you are on most , forexample .Marketing: What ?Project Manager: You want the {disfmarker} you want it to be programmed , for example y programmed fMarketing: Yeah .ProjectManager: or you want it to recognise your favourite channel ?Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Let's see , you you spend twenty minutes each day on thatchannel ,Marketing: Recognise {disfmarker}Project Manager: so it recognises your favourite channel .Marketing: Yeah . Yeah , that's uh what my personalpreference like .Project Manager: Okay , so it's it it does {disfmarker} it recognise itself , you don't have to set it {disfmarker}Marketing: No ,Project Manager:Okay .Marketing: itself . Maybe it's easier to {vocalsound} to sell it , but {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: I don't know it's manageable , but wewill uh we will see .Project Manager: I see .Marketing: Yeah , it's a little bit uh it's the end of it .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: It's a little bit uh I lost it ,UserInterface: Okay .Marketing: the computer uh crashed ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} No problem , it's it's okay ,Marketing: so .Project Manager: that's{disfmarker} Yeah , go ahead .User Interface: Shall I go ? Okay .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: So , some technical functions .Marketing: Darn computer .UserInterface: Basically I have some issues which you discussed earlier . Uh let's just start with the method .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound} It soundsreally easy , what does the user do , what does the th remote control do , but there are quite some issues . So the things I'm going to concentrate on are the useraspect , because the technical aspect , that's pretty much covered . We can do that . What goes wrong {vocalsound} at the user . Gets the remote control .Where is the remote control ? We've all had it once , I want to watch some television ,Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: where's the remote control ? That was oneof your ideas which you posted in the network folder ,Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: That seems very good .User Interface: a really good idea . Uh these arejust the issues . I come to some uh personal experience , findings , possible solutions later . Searches for the button . There are many buttons on a remotecontrol which are not clear . Uh so either we lose those or we try to make it a little bit more clear .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Uh also symbolstend to fade after a while .Marketing: Mm uh .User Interface: There's nothing more annoying than faded symbols , because you don't know which channel is thisbutton , so possibly we could find uh something for that ,Project Manager: Okay , so have it more {disfmarker} make it more durable actually . Okay .UserInterface: yes . Uh covered that . Oh yes , user presses the button . Um usually when you have a lot of buttons , buttons are small . So you press more onceremote control goes kablouey or something like that ,Project Manager: Okay , so the buttons should be {disfmarker}User Interface: so we have to pay attentionnot to put too mun too many buttons on uh the remote control . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Yeah .User Interface: And possibly also the size , somore important buttons , biggerProject Manager: Wow . The s Yeah . Make it {disfmarker} make them bigger .User Interface: siProject Manager: Even moredurable uh .User Interface: So this is basically what I h had in mind in the {disfmarker} fade-proof symbols , locator , a sound , uh so clear we should stick toexisting symbols , but maybe we could do a little uh investigation to see whether some symbols are uh {disfmarker} need to be replaced by others . Uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: This I pretty much covered . {vocalsound} So what we want to go to is not this one ,Project Manager: Yeah ,it's true .User Interface: but more {disfmarker} less buttons , easy , some bigger buttons .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: that's basically uh what I had in mind. SoProject Manager: Yeah , that's clear .User Interface: This is not the final design ,Project Manager: No , of course uh {disfmarker}User Interface: this is just ageneral idea of how I'd like to see uh basically the general idea .Project Manager: Yeah . I must say that it {disfmarker} Hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound} Sothat was it .Project Manager: That was it . Okay , that was good . So we agree on the the part that we need to get something on the on the remote to find itsomewhere and increase it {disfmarker} the durability of of the thing ,User Interface: Yeah , I think it's a really good idea .Project Manager: so {disfmarker}UserInterface: Yeah .Project Manager: The other aspects , we'll just see how {disfmarker} what you came up with and what's possible for that budget .User Interface:Yeah .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Okay , that's fine . Um . Okay , now work a little with me . Okay . Well ,Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: let's start it as it is . Okay , uh the method . There are a few questions that need to be answered , uh you already uh talkedabout it a little bit . Which buttons are wanted , uh is our remote control universal or should it be programmable . Uh if it should be programmeab grammeale"}
{"doc_id":"doc_43","qid":"","text":"Marketing: Did you get my email with the slides ? Ah . Tricky .Industrial Designer: I guess I have to change the pen otherwise . Will be completely different.Marketing: Dunno . Maybe they're supposed {disfmarker} the pen's supposed to go over the seats . Might be seat floor rather than person . Yeah , put it back.Industrial Designer: Yeah . And do you think {vocalsound} it's {gap} .Marketing: Yep {vocalsound} . Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .Marketing:Jo's making faces at me . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: So . Matthew is uh late again .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Probably an important man . Um . So well it is important for him to be here uh .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: He he he{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: So what can you {disfmarker} {gap} ?Project Manager: You did work together didn't you ?Industrial Designer: Yeah we will{disfmarker} yeah , so I will be able to to summarize uh our meeting ,Project Manager: Yes .Industrial Designer: but still I think uh it would be in very importantif the uh as um main designer . I think we can put on the {gap} here .Project Manager: Yes . Yes .Industrial Designer: Uh basically w yeah we we designed thetwo uh items .Project Manager: Mm . Um yesIndustrial Designer: Um , can we have a phone ,Project Manager: but w we {disfmarker} {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: can someone {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yes , maybe we should phone him . Um well {disfmarker} Um ,Industrial Designer:it's really w well designed {vocalsound} .Marketing: Mm . Mm , object tracking . {vocalsound}Project Manager: when he is not here we will just we just have tocontinue . Um so just for record I I will take uh notes again .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: And um well {vocalsound} first thinguh I was uh uh I got an email from uh from my superior again that we really should stay within the budget of the uh twelve Euro and fifty cents .IndustrialDesigner: 'Kay .Project Manager: when you stay in it's good , when you don't stay in you have to redesign . There is no {vocalsound} uh no negotiation uh{vocalsound} possible in this matter . So we have to consider that . {vocalsound} Good .Industrial Designer: Yep .Project Manager: Um so maybe Anna , you canhave your presentation .Marketing: Well we can't {disfmarker} no {disfmarker} we can't do evaluation 'til we have a design .Project Manager: Okay Matthew .Nice uh you are here .Industrial Designer: Great .Project Manager: Great . Great . Oh ma maybe then you can start now with mm presenting your uh yourdesigns .Industrial Designer: Yep . So I will start by the the basic one that uh fits into uh eight Euros actually , right , seven eight Euros ,Marketing: Mm-hmm.Industrial Designer: and uh well first for both they have um a special shape , maybe the designer can uh explain better than me , but uh it's like a surf board.Marketing: Mm 'kay .Industrial Designer: And you you are supposed to surf to browse to surf T_V_ , maybe the web , and uh it's kind of interesting shapebecause um unconsciously people want to s to surf {vocalsound} when they see this stuff .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Or browse .Industrial Designer: And also it's not too far from um a mobile .Marketing:Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: So people are used to that kind of shape ,User Interface: Mm .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer:right . Don't take care too much about the colour because w yeah we don't take {disfmarker}User Interface: Now we are supposed to give some oper offers rightnow .Industrial Designer: yeah . So here would be basically the the the infrared uh uh ledMarketing: {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Eye .UserInterface: {vocalsound} I {disfmarker} yeah .Industrial Designer: yeah L_A_ L_A_ L_E_D_ ,User Interface: L_E_D_ .Industrial Designer: the on-off button , inred .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Here would be the volume . On the on the left ,Marketing: Oh yeah .Project Manager: Uh-huh .IndustrialDesigner: okay , so {gap}User Interface: Mm-hmm , hmm .Project Manager: Yes .Industrial Designer: easy to turn on t and off . And um so this is a very cheapversion so there are {disfmarker} maybe you can carry on uh Matthew .User Interface: Also {vocalsound} so you have uh uh browsing the channels ,actuallyMarketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: so you can go up and down the channels ,Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: uh , if you have a video or somethingyou can forward , back .Industrial Designer: How can you change from V_C_R_ to uh T_V_ , by the way ?User Interface: Oh {gap} no no no , this is a single{disfmarker} this this is a model with just the T_V_ one .Industrial Designer: Okay yeah . Yeah yeah .Project Manager: Ah , okay .User Interface: No no justsorry , this is a standard T_V_ one , we are not talking about that . So and then we have usually there twelve keys but we know that we rel that we have only tendigits .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: The extra two are for uh having or giving an option for uh having more than one channel . And the other one is forthe teletext or something you want to browse through from that . Actually .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Okay soProject Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing:it's it's t a very basic remote then , it's only {disfmarker}User Interface: It's a very basic minimal thingMarketing: Mm .Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .UserInterface: which you can {disfmarker} which is which is also available in the market , actually that's what it {gap} {disfmarker} that it {disfmarker}{vocalsound} iIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: and would cost us to build it about eight Euros .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: Mm .IndustrialDesigner: Seven , eight , ei eight Euros .Project Manager: Exce except for the for the special shape , the surfing board , it has a quite a a conventional layout ofbuttons uh .User Interface: Yeah . Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: So this one modelMarketing: Can I see ?User Interface: and uh {disfmarker}yeah . Sure .Marketing: Thanks . Okay I like the volume control , that's good .Industrial Designer: {gap} {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Th{vocalsound} this is a magic one but I know we don't want to talk about that ,Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: you know like {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}User Interface: uh i i i it is a very futuristic , it's like uh it's like a brain machine interface and all this stuff we are thinking about in thefuture , it can come .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Uh-huh .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: So it doesn'tactually have buttons .User Interface: {vocalsound} So that uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker} then what we look tMarketing: Did you wanna see ?User Interface:yeah .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Yeah no you can carry on ,User Interface: This is a model ,Project Manager: I just look how it feels all .User Interface: yeah.Project Manager: Yes it really feels like like like a mobile phone .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Yep .Project Manager: Just I'm{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah actually , yeah .Project Manager: I really want to talk to it .Marketing: {vocalsound} It won't talk back .{vocalsound}Project Manager: But {gap} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} So but but continue with your uhUser Interface: Uhso wellProject Manager: mm-hmm .User Interface: then the this is the {vocalsound} a more a little uh smoothIndustrial Designer: {gap}User Interface: and itgives a lot of functionality , uh in this way , so all we have uh th you see there are only six keys , but don't worry they are ma they are doing the job of twelvekeys actually here .Marketing: Right .Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: And so they have more space actuallyMarketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: and uhit's easy to uh use this and uh you have um so this is a standard uh {gap} uh infrared eye , and then you have a power button , which l volume , what you have,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: and then other than that you have uh channel up and down and uh f slow pause or s slow loIndustrial Designer: Play, pause .User Interface: yeah s pause or stop , and uh then uh you can uh you have a L_C_D_ display , hereProject Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: and uh ythis is a functional thing which can change like it's a toggle switch which could change the function say , y you press it {disfmarker}Project Manager: FromD_V_D_ player to television or something .Industrial Designer: Exactly yeah . To audio and to video on demand .User Interface: Yeah . I really can change it,Project Manager: Yes .User Interface: so {disfmarker}Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: Instead of having many switches , y {vocalsound}Marketing:Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Yes and and and then you get feedback via the L_C_D_ yeah .User Interface: The L_C_D_ can display what is that on that ,IndustrialDesigner: Yes .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: and uh well you can have a integrated microphone over here ,Industrial Designer: This is the orangebutton , the {vocalsound} microphone .User Interface: or in the button th here ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: so which can uh basically you wantto do a speech recognition and uh that channel a lot of information can be di displayed here directly on the um on your on your display .Industrial Designer: Anyeah .User Interface: And here is a small L_E_D_ which is like blinking one ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: which tells you like uh are you runningout of the battery , and which is can be useful for the locating as I was talking earlierProject Manager: Mm-hmm {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: Yeah .UserInterface: okay . And uh well then we have a cover basically , basically you don't need much of the time this ,Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface:{vocalsound} when you need you can use it , and this gives additional functionality that tomorrow you want you can add a tactile thing to this coverProjectManager: Mm . YeahIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound} Crazy dis designer ,User Interface: you know .Industrial Designer: okay . {vocalsound}User Interface:Design enter {vocalsound} .Project Manager: but but but but uh i in there uh when this is closed , will it also uh cover up the L_C_D_ screen ?User Interface:Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah yeah yeah .User Interface: Yeah . It's basically to do that .Project Manager: But but the L_C_D_ screen I mean is a very uhwell an eye-attracting featureIndustrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: which shouldn't be shouldn't be {disfmarker}UserInterface: Actually when you are watching the T_V_ , {vocalsound} when you are watching anything or listening to them , you hardly care about what is gettingdisplayed here ,Industrial Designer: Oh actually {disfmarker} well .Project Manager: {vocalsound} That th that's true .User Interface: you know , uh you want touh {disfmarker} and this gives a protection to the L_C_D_ actually , giving a cover to that actually . Gives a protectionProject Manager: Mm .User Interface:"}
{"doc_id":"doc_44","qid":"","text":"The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota (NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)): I call the meeting to order. Welcome to the seventh meeting of the Special Committee on theCOVID-19 Pandemic. Please note that today's proceedings will be televised in the same way as a typical sitting of the House. We will proceed to ministerialannouncements. I understand that there are no ministerial announcements. That's confirmed. We will now proceed to presenting petitions for a period notexceeding 15minutes. I would like to remind members that any petition presented during a meeting of the special committee must have already been certified bythe clerk of petitions. Once the petition is presented, the member is asked to bring it here to the Table. Mr.Manly is the first one to be allowed to present apetition.Mr. Paul Manly (NanaimoLadysmith, GP): Thank you, Mr. Chair. I rise today to present a petition that has many signatures from constituents inNanaimoLadysmith. They're calling for a ban on cosmetic testing using animals. They want us to follow the European Union model, under which the use of animalsin cosmetic testing has been banned. Moving forward, they're calling for a ban on the sale and manufacture of animal-tested cosmetics and their ingredients inCanada.The Chair: Mr. Poilievre is next.Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Carleton, CPC): Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. I rise today to table e-petition 2466, initiated by aconstituent of mine in Stittsville, a beautiful west Ottawa community. The petition has collected 827 signatures from every province and territory. It was collectedby Cara, a mother from my riding who suffered an unthinkable tragedy. Her 11-year-old son Joshua drowned in a boating accident on the St. Lawrence River atRockport, Ontario. Joshua was not wearing a life jacket. Worse, Cara's family had to wait 48 days to recover Joshua's body. Cara is now working tirelessly toamend the small vessel regulations to make it mandatory for children under the age of 14 to wear a life jacket or PFD while they are passengers in or drivers ofsmall vessels covered under parts 2, 3, and 4 of the regulations. I support Cara's efforts, and I'm honoured to table this petition on her behalf.The Chair: Seeingno further petitions to be presented, we'll continue, and we will now proceed to the questioning of ministers. Please note that we will suspend the proceedingsevery 45minutes to allow employees who provide support for the sitting to replace each other safely. Go ahead, Mr. Scheer.Hon. Andrew Scheer (Leader of theOpposition): It was revealed yesterday that this government's policy was to ignore fraud. The Prime Minister's reaction was to act as if everything was normal. Infact, we've learned that over 200,000cases of suspected fraud have been identified in the benefit applications. The Prime Minister is failing our future generations.Our children and grandchildren are going to pay back billions of dollars that he's borrowing to pay tax cheats. Will the Prime Minister protect taxpayers andimmediately begin a review of these 200,000cases of suspected fraud?Right Hon. Justin Trudeau (Prime Minister): Our priority was to get money out quickly to allCanadians who needed it, and that's exactly what we've done. Millions of Canadians have received the money they so desperately needed. Having said that, Iwant to make it very clear, Mr.Chair: Fraud is unacceptable. We have measures in place to detect fraud. All fraudsters will be required to pay back the moneythey fraudulently received from the government. We're going to make sure that this is done in the coming months.Hon. Andrew Scheer: Mr. Chair, Conservativesagree that those who need help should get it, and no one is arguing that they shouldn't, but reports indicate that the Liberals have ordered public servants to turna blind eye to 200,000 cases of suspected fraud. It's a simple question: Yes or no, did the government instruct any government department to ignore red flags orwarnings of fraudulent cases?Right Hon. Justin Trudeau: Mr. Chair, the priority in this situation was getting money out to the millions of Canadians who needed itas quickly as possible, but of course fraud is unacceptable. That's why we have put safeguards in place to ensure that anyone who received that moneyfraudulently will have to repay it.Hon. Andrew Scheer: It's a yes-or-no question, Mr. Chair. Did the government give any kind of instruction to public servants inany department to ignore red flags or warnings of fraudulent cases, yes or no?Right Hon. Justin Trudeau: The instruction to government officials was to getmoney out to those who needed it as quickly as possible. We have put measures in place to detect fraud. People who got this money fraudulently will have torepay.Hon. Andrew Scheer: Mr. Chair, it is clear that he can't answer a yes-or-no question, so we can all assume what the answer must be. In other situations,the government is saying no to people. It's letting so many Canadians down. Small business owners who don't happen to have a CRA payroll number or abusiness account are ineligible for the government supports. Individuals, owner-operators, and those who are earning $1 more than $1,000 are being told thatthey don't qualify for the emergency response benefits. Meanwhile, fraudsters are getting them. Does the Prime Minister think it's fair to tell people who arefollowing all the rules no, while telling government officials to allow fraudulent cases to be processed?Right Hon. Justin Trudeau: Mr. Chair, Canadians well knowthat this is an unprecedented situation, one in which we had to get help to as many Canadians as possible as quickly as possible. That is exactly what we did. Wecontinue to work very hard to fill gaps for people who should get money but haven't been able to, and, as I said, we have strong measures to counter fraud.Anyone who got this money fraudulently will have to repay it.Hon. Andrew Scheer: Mr. Chair, when these programs were first designed, the Prime Minister saidthat he acknowledged that there were problems and that they would be fixed later. Well, here we are in May, and hundreds of thousands of Canadians are beingtold no for purely technical and bureaucratic reasons. Will the Prime Minister make the simple changes to allow business owners who don't happen to have abusiness bank account, who don't happen to have a CRA payroll number and individuals who are ineligible for the emergency response benefit because they'vebeen paid by family members through dividends to qualify, or is he going to continue to let hundreds of thousands of Canadians down during this pandemic?RightHon. Justin Trudeau: Mr. Chair, from the beginning of this pandemic, we moved extremely rapidly to get help and support to millions of Canadians. That was thepriority, and that's what we've been doing for the past two months. As we've said, we will continue to tweak and improve the programs to make sure that morepeople who need help will get it. We are working the best we can, as fast as we can, to help those millions of Canadians who need support.The Chair: You havetime for about a 15-second question, Mr. Scheer.Hon. Andrew Scheer: Mr. Chair, the Prime Minister indicated that he would support Taiwan's inclusion in theWHO only as a non-state observer. Of course, that designation does not exist. Participants of the WHO are either states or NGOs. Will the Prime Minister supportTaiwan's participation as a state observer?The Chair: The Right Honourable Prime Minister has 15 seconds or less, please.Right Hon. Justin Trudeau: Mr. Chair,we will continue with our one China policy, but we have always advocated Taiwan's meaningful inclusion in international bodies where it makes sense to do so,and that includes at the WHO.The Chair: Mr.Blanchet now has the floor.Mr. Yves-Franois Blanchet (BeloeilChambly, BQ): Thank you very much, Mr.Chair. OnFriday, students in Quebec and Canada will be able to apply for the Canada emergency student benefit, which is a good thing. This program was necessary,particularly because the number of students who won't be able to get back their jobs from last year is much higher than the number of jobs that might beavailable to these young people. There are also issues of duration. We don't know how long these jobs will remain unavailable. People talked about a risk to beingin the labour market and meeting the needs of the labour market. On April29, the Deputy Prime Minister made a formal commitment to ensure that theseprograms are accompanied by work incentives for youth and all CESB recipients. So that everyone knows what they're getting into, I'd like to know whether theemployment incentives that will accompany the Canada emergency response benefit will be known by Friday.Right Hon. Justin Trudeau: I thank the hon. memberfor understanding the importance of supporting students who, for the most part, won't be able to get the summer jobs they were counting on. Young people don'tjust want to earn money; they also want to gain work experience. That's why we're setting up programs, including Canada summer jobs, but also anotherprogram with 76,000new jobs for young people in important sectors, so that young people can also get jobs. We will continue to work with youth and employersto ensure that gaps in the labour market are addressed, while ensuring that youth are well-supported.Mr. Yves-Franois Blanchet: That's very interesting, but itdoesn't answer my question at all. People in the fishing, tourism and agricultural sectors, as well as municipalities and, from the very beginning, of course, theGovernment of Quebec, more generally, have expressed fears that job gains will cause people to lose their benefits and discourage them from going to work. Theonly way to avoid that is to ensure that people keep more money as they work more. That is the principle. In fact, we propose that over the $1,000no-penaltylimit, half of the earnings be exempt from penalty. Is this something that could be considered? Since it's been two weeks since the commitment was made and it'surgent, can we act now? The emergency shouldn't last eight months.Right Hon. Justin Trudeau: Mr.Chair, young people need money, but they also need workexperience. This is an unprecedented situation, which is why we're working with seasonal industries and the different regions to make sure they have a sufficientworkforce in their situation. Students can be part of it, but at the same time we must provide the necessary support for those who can't find a job. That's why wecontinue to work with the industries involved to ensure that they have a sufficient workforce while we support students.Mr. Yves-Franois Blanchet: Unfortunately,the spirit of it doesn't seem to have been understood. I doubt that, even in the best-case scenario, the government will be able to get all the jobs needed in atimely manner for all these young people to decide to go ahead. So, first of all, there will be a shortage of jobs. Second, people aren't crazy. If they earn less byworking than they earn by not working, all the good faith in the world won't solve the problem. Can we make sure that people keep more money in their pocketsas they work more? I think we can have a clear answer, given the timeframe. People are going to start registering for the program on Friday. The principles aregood, but a clear answer would be good too.Right Hon. Justin Trudeau: Beginning Friday, students will be able to apply for the Canada emergency student"}
{"doc_id":"doc_45","qid":"","text":"Grad E: I guess .Grad A: OK , we 're on . So just make sure that th your wireless mike is on , if you 're wearing a wireless .Grad E: Check one . Check one .GradA: And you should be able to see which one {disfmarker} which one you 're on by , uh , watching the little bars change .Grad B: So , which is my bar ? Mah !Number one .Grad A: Yep .Grad E: Sibilance . Sibilance .Grad A: So , actually , if you guys wanna go ahead and read digits now , as long as you 've signed theconsent form , that 's alright .Grad E: Are we supposed to read digits at the same time ?Grad A: No . No .Grad E: Oh , OK .Grad A: Each individually . We 'retalking about doing all at the same time but I think cognitively that would be really difficult . {vocalsound} To try to read them while everyone else is .Grad E:Everyone would need extreme focus .Grad A: So , when you 're reading the digit strings , the first thing to do is just say which transcript you 're on .Professor C:Other way . We m We may wind up with ver We {disfmarker} we may need versions of all this garbage .Grad B: For our stuff . Yeah .Professor C: Yeah .Grad A:Um . So the first thing you 'd wanna do is just say which transcript you 're on .Professor C: Yeah .Grad A: So . You can see the transcript ? There 's two largenumber strings on the digits ? So you would just read that one . And then you read each line with a small pause between the lines . And the pause is just so theperson transcribing it can tell where one line ends and the other begins . And I 'll give {disfmarker} I 'll read the digit strings first , so can see how that goes . Um. Again , I 'm not sure how much I should talk about {pause} stuff before everyone 's here .Professor C: Mmm . Well , we have one more coming .Grad A: OK .Well , why don't I go ahead and read digit strings and then we can go on from there .Professor C: OK . Well , we can start doing it .Grad A: Thanks . So , uh , justalso a note on wearing the microphones . All of you look like you 're doing it reasonably correctly , but you want it about two thumb widths away from your mouth, and then , at the corner . And that 's so that you minimize breath sounds , so that when you 're breathing , you don't breathe into the mike . Um . Yeah , that 'sgood . And uh {disfmarker} So , everyone needs to fill out , only once , the speaker form and the consent form . And the short form {disfmarker} I mean , youshould read the consent form , but uh , the thing to notice is that we will give you an opportunity to edit a all the transcripts . So , if you say things and you don'twant them to be released to the general public , which , these will be available at some point to anyone who wants them , uh , you 'll be given an opportunity byemail , uh , to bleep out any portions you don't like . Um . On the speaker form just fill out as much of the information as you can . If you 're not exactly sureabout the region , we 're not exactly sure either . So , don't worry too much about it . The {disfmarker} It 's just self rating . Um . And I think that 's about it . Imean , should I {disfmarker} Do you want me to talk at all about why we 're doing this and what this project is ?Professor C: Um , yeah .Grad A: or {disfmarker}?Professor C: No . There was {disfmarker} there was {disfmarker} Let 's see . Oh {disfmarker}Grad E: Does Nancy know that we 're meeting in here ?Grad B: Isent an email .Professor C: She got an emai she was notified .Grad E: Oh yeah , she got an e Yeah , yeah .Professor C: Whether she knows {vocalsound} isanother question . Um . So are the people going to be identified by name ?Grad A: Well , what we 're gonna {disfmarker} we 'll anonymize it in the transcript .Um , but not in the audio .Professor C: Right .Grad A: So theProfessor C: OK . So , then in terms of people worrying about , uh , excising things from thetranscript , it 's unlikely . Since it {disfmarker} it does isn't attributed . Oh , I see , but the a but the {disfmarker} but the {disfmarker}Grad A: Right , so if I said, \" Oh , hi Jerry , how are you ? \" , we 're not gonna go through and cancel out the \" Jerry \"s .Professor C: Yeah . Sure .Grad A: Um , so we will go through and ,in the speaker ID tags there 'll be , you know , M - one O seven , M - one O eight .Professor C: Right .Grad A: Um , but uh ,Professor C: Right .Grad A: um , it wuh , I don't know a good way of doing it on the audio , and still have people who are doing discourse research be able to use the data .Professor C: OK . Mm -hmm . No , I {disfmarker} I wasn't complaining ,Grad A: Yep .Professor C: I just wanted to understand .Grad A: Right .Professor C: OK .Grad B: Well , we canmake up aliases for each of us .Grad A: Yeah , I mean , whatever you wanna do is fine ,Professor C: Right .Grad F: OK .Grad A: but we find that {disfmarker} Wewant the meeting to be as natural as possible . So , we 're trying to do real meetings .Professor C: OK .Grad A: And so we don't wanna have to doaliasesProfessor C: Right .Grad A: and we don't want people to be editing what they say .Grad B: Right .Grad A: So I think that it 's better just as a pro post -process to edit out every time you bash Microsoft .Professor C: Right .Grad B: Mm - hmm .Grad A: You know ?Professor C: Right . Um , OK . So why don't you tellus brieflyGrad A: OK . So thProfessor C: your {disfmarker} give {disfmarker} give your e normal schpiel .Grad A: Um . So this is {disfmarker} The project iscalled Meeting Recorder and there are lots of different aspects of the project . Um . So my particular interest is in the PDA of the future . This is a mock - up ofone . Yes , we do believe the PDA of the future will be made of wood . Um . {comment} The idea is that you 'd be able to put a PDA at the table at an impromptumeeting , and record it , and then be able to do querying and retrieval later on , on the meeting . So that 's my particular interest , is a portable device to do m uh, information retrieval on meetings . Other people are interested in other aspects of meetings . Um . So the first step on that , in any of these , is to collect somedata . And so what we wanted is a room that 's instrumented with both the table top microphones , and these are very high quality pressure zone mikes , as wellas the close talking mikes . What the close talk ng talking mikes gives us is some ground truth , gives us , um , high quality audio , um , especially for people whoaren't interested in the acoustic parts of this corpus . So , for people who are more interested in language , we didn't want to penalize them by having only the farfield mikes available . And then also , um , it 's a very , very hard task in terms of speech recognition . Um . And so , uh , on the far field mikes we can expectvery low recognition results . So we wanted the near field mikes to at least isolate the difference between the two . So that 's why we 're recording in parallel withthe close talking and the far field at the same time . And then , all these channels are recorded simultaneously and framed synchronously so that you can also dothings like , um , beam - forming on all the microphones and do research like that . Our intention is to release this data to the public , um , probably through fthrough a body like the LDC . And , uh , just make it as a generally available corpus . Um . {vocalsound} There 's other work going on in meeting recording . So ,we 're {disfmarker} we 're working with SRI , with UW , Um . NIST has started an effort which will include video . We 're not including video , obviously . And uh{disfmarker} and then also , um , a small amount of assistance from IBM . Is also involved . Um . Oh , and the digit strings , this is just a more constrained task .Um . So because the general environment is so challenging , we decided to {disfmarker} to do at least one set of digit strings to give ourselves something easier .And it 's exactly the same digit strings as in TI - digits , which is a common connected digits corpus . So we 'll have some , um , comparison to be able to be made.Professor C: OK .Grad A: Anything else ?Professor C: No .Grad A: OK , so when the l last person comes in , just have them wear a wireless . It should be onalready . Um . Either one of those . And uh , read the digit strings and {disfmarker} and fill out the forms . So , the most important form is the consent form , sojust be s be sure everyone signs that , if they consent .Grad B: I 'm sure it 's pretty usual for meetings that people come late ,Grad A: Yeah .Grad B: so you willhave to leave what you set .Grad A: Right . And uh , just give me a call , which , my number 's up there when your meeting is over .Professor C: Yep .Grad A:And {disfmarker} I 'm going to leave the mike here but it 's n {nonvocalsound} Uh , but I 'm not gonna be on so don't have them use this one . It 'll just besitting here .Grad B: Input ? Yeah . There we go .Professor C: By the way , Adam , we will be using the , uh , screen as well .Grad B: Yep .Professor C: So , youknow . Wow ! Organization . So you guys who got email about this {pause} oh f uh , Friday or something about what we 're up to .Grad E: No .Grad F: No .GradB: I got it .Grad E: What was the nature of the email ?Professor C: Oh , this was about {pause} um , inferring intentions from features in context , and the words, like \" s go to see \" , or \" visit \" , or someGrad B: Wel - we I {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}Professor C: You didn't get it ?Grad E: Idon't think I did .Professor C: I guess these g have got better filters . Cuz I sent it to everybody . You just blew it off .Grad E: Ah .Professor C: OK .Grad B: It 'sreally simple though . So this is the idea . Um . We could pursue , um , if we thought it 's {disfmarker} it 's worth it but , uh , I think we {disfmarker} we willagree on that , um , to come up with a {disfmarker} with a sort of very , very first crude prototype , and do some implementation work , and do some{disfmarker} some research , and some modeling . So the idea is if you want to go somewhere , um , and focus on that object down {disfmarker} Oh , I canactually walk with this . This is nice . down here . That 's the Powder - Tower . Now , um , {vocalsound} we found in our , uh , data and from experiments , thatthere 's three things you can do . Um , you can walk this way , and come really , really close to it . And touch it . But you cannot enter or do anything else . Unlessyou 're interested in rock climbing , it won't do you no good standing there . It 's just a dark alley . But you can touch it . If you want to actually go up or into thetower , you have to go this way , and then through some buildings and up some stairs and so forth . If you actually want to see the tower , and that 's whatactually most people want to do , is just have a good look of it , take a picture for the family , {comment} you have to go this way , and go up here . And thereyou have a vre really view {disfmarker} It exploded , the {disfmarker} during the Thirty years - war . Really uh , interesting sight . And um , these uh{disfmarker} these lines are , um , paths ,Grad E: Mmm .Grad B: or so That 's ab er , i the street network of our geographic information system . And you can tellthat we deliberately cut out this part . Because otherwise we couldn't get our GIS system to take {disfmarker} to lead people this way . It would always use theclosest point to the object , and then the tourists would be faced , you know , in front of a wall , but it would do them absolutely no good . So , {vocalsound} whatwe found interesting is , first of all , intentions differ . Maybe you want to enter a building . Maybe you want to see it , take a picture of it . Or maybe you actually"}
{"doc_id":"doc_46","qid":"","text":"Industrial Designer: Oops That's as far as it goes {vocalsound} .Project Manager: Hi guys uh good morning everybody here . And uh I want to introduce myself ,uh my name is uh Shrida Daseri and uh I'm a project manager for this new project which we are going to discuss now . So I want to introduce first of all uh thenames and the colleagues here . And what you're uh drawing ?User Interface: {vocalsound} Uh sure my name is Agnes and I'm an user {disfmarker} usabilityuser interface designer .Marketing: {vocalsound} My name is Ed and I do accounting .Project Manager: Uh how you spell your name uh ?Marketing: E_D_.Project Manager: E_D_ okay .Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: And ?Industrial Designer: Do you also do marketing ?Marketing: {vocalsound} No {vocalsound}.Project Manager: So only accounting ? Okay .Marketing: Accounting , yes .Project Manager: And ?Industrial Designer: And I'm Christine ,Project Manager:Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: and my role in this uh scenario is to be the industrial designer .Project Manager: Industrial designer .Industrial Designer: But I'mnot really one .Project Manager: So who is uh marketing , nobody in the marketMarketing: Marketing is uh , is me {vocalsound} .Project Manager: It's you , okay. So thanks for coming for the meeting first of all , and uh we have a long time , just twenty-five minutes to discuss about uh this project and the the projectinitiation . First of all I want to ask uh Mister Ed about your uh marketing plan and your product plan and uh {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} Well I thinkthat we'll see that throughout the day in how we're going to put this together as a marketing to to market the product . We'll have to see on a through discussionon where we're gonna go from here and from {disfmarker} with this .Project Manager: Mm-hmm but uh do you already have like a functional design or atechnical design or {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} Uh for the moment not yet .Project Manager: Oh for the moment not yet , okay , but uh what's what'syour uh {disfmarker} do you have some project plan , something with you or {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} Good question {vocalsound} . No , this islike I said that we have to be discussed between all of us and we'll go from there . We'll have to {disfmarker} simply we'll have to work on it together .ProjectManager: Mm-hmm . Okay , so uh by when you think you can uh give me some kind of uh project plan , okay , a discussion with uh {disfmarker}Marketing:Certainly by the next meeting .Project Manager: By next meeting , okay that will be great . Uh Okay , so there's any questions or uh first of all about uh thisproject ?Industrial Designer: What is the goal of the project ?Project Manager: Uh the goal of the project I think maybe I'll uh hand out to the Ed , okay , so toexplain uh what is the project because he's in the sales and the accounting .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: I'm in the salesI'm supposed to explain them what to do {vocalsound} . We have to define exactly what our product is , from uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yes , so can youexplain uh what exactly the product is ?Marketing: From what I had in mind we're supposed to be marketing coffee , is that right ?Project Manager: Oh I think uh, if I'm not wrong , we're making the remote control .User Interface: Um I was wondering {disfmarker}Marketing: Remote controls , 'cause I had two differentthings . I had a first part of mine was to make a remote control for a new f remote control for television , and afterward I had a discussion about coffee so{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yes .Marketing: we'll start with the remote control for television then . So we're have to design something that isvery user friendly .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Something uh visual that has something that will will draw people to buy theproduct ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: because I think everybody's experienced with uh remote controls , and some remote controls are are worth uhthrowing out the window . Uh th most of them ar I don't know we're have to come up with a new idea on how to make it a lot easier to use ,Project Manager:Mm-hmm .Marketing: 'cause a lot of times uh spend uh half a day through the instruction book trying to figure out how to use it .Project Manager: Mm-hmm.User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: And uh what abo uh Christine , what about your uh the industrial design plan ? Are you have a design already on thisproduct or uh you're still working on the design ?Industrial Designer: Um no , I I have not begun working on the design ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .IndustrialDesigner: and um I uh I actually didn't know we were designing a remote control , I thought we were designing a new monitor . Um the website I went to look athad some announcements about an introduction of a um uh some sort of a seven inch um monitor , and um I understood that that was the project goal . So umI'm glad I didn't d do any work um ahead of time because uh I clearly didn't understand the project goal .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Um I justdid s see that we were starting a new project together and there was going to be a four member team composed of these people , and um that's about uh that's{disfmarker}Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: and I I read through the different steps , and what my responsibilities were relative to the steps.Project Manager: So uh you'll be leading the team for your design team or how many members is working in the team , for the design ?Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Uh for the industrial design ?Project Manager: Yes .Industrial Designer: Um well , I would th think that depends on how much money you give us.Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: That's {gap}Industrial Designer: Um because uh , you know , you can uh you can make it uh{disfmarker} {vocalsound} you have different choices with different financial models .Project Manager: Yeah , but uh before we talk about uh the finance , okay ,uh do you have some idea how we can uh sell this product or project in the market and how much is going to benefit to the company and uh of course it's to theindividual also .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Well , you know um , I kind of think that in general you have to do uh um y you have to have something that'svery fashionable , that's uh very attractive {disfmarker} that um people see and recognize uh its goal , and uh they immediately wanna have it uh have one oftheir own . So it would {disfmarker} really would need to um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} something like the iPod would be good , seems to have caught on fairlywell ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: so um d uh you know , I don't care what it does , just so it looks cool .Project Manager: Okay , but uh uhwhen you think you can give me like a kind of design on the functional design or the technical design ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Well , uh I've got a lot ofother projects I'm doing right now um and so I'll have to wait and see how those uh how those go . If they uh go quickly then uh it could be a month . If um if Irun into any problems in my other projects it might be six months .Project Manager: Yeah , but uh I need something in the writing , so like uh what's yourfunctional design , what's your technical design , and uh how many people you need for this project , and what's the time frame you're looking , okay , and whatis the budget , maybe uh initial budget you're looking , okay , and uh how is going to the market , okay ,Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: so you've you've had to meet with the marketing team and how they're going to market and what are the marketing strategic plan , okay , when areyou going to introduce , okay , and by the time you introduce the product and uh you know there there would be a competition , okay , so I need some kind of uhuh the plan in the writing from you . Okay , and it's poIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound} And when would you like that ?Project Manager: B as soon as possible.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Uh well if uh if we have enough time uh then d do you think um two weeks is a {disfmarker} is close enough ?ProjectManager: Yes I think uh that would be good , because I need to go to the management and uh tell them what we are going to do , and uh what cost is , okay ,and what's the time frame and what's the project plan , because uh without any uh documentations , I cannot go to the management and say , so we are going todo this and we need this much money , okay , so then it's it's difficult for me to say , okay , that's the reason I need uh some kind of plan from you , initially ,okay , then we can have the further discussion again .Industrial Designer: Uh {vocalsound} are there other people who will be contributing to the plan ?ProjectManager: Yes , of course , if you need some help , uh so let me know . So , who are the people you need uh from the marketing or uh the technical side or uh theadministration point of view , okay , to add in any documentation , or some technical point of view ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: so just letme know so I can uh coordinate all the teams .Industrial Designer: Okay , I'll get back to you on that .Project Manager: Yes . Thank you . Okay . And uh Ed uh sowhat's {disfmarker} what do you think about uh this uh project for the remote control and d do you have some already planned something for your marketingstrategy or uh the sales strategy ?Marketing: Well not yet other than uh doing research and taking remote controls and looking what other companies have to douh , what they're building , their designs , their ideas ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} Hmm . {vocalsound}Marketing: uh also have to pinpoint which marketwe're gonna go into .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: It should be a fairly large market because uh the number of people that uh {disfmarker} thecompetition ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: uh th I agree it has to be something {disfmarker} it has to be something new , it has to be something thatthat draws people saying eh , I like this . Whether it works or not , they have to first say I like this , I like the design , and then it's gotta be simple to use .ProjectManager: Yes , so what I uh prefer maybe uh you need to interact uh more with the Christine , okay , because you know what she is going to do it , okay , andyou know how to sell it . Okay , because uh she is doing the design , but you are the core because you are in the marketing , okay ,Marketing: Yeah .ProjectManager: so because you need to sell {disfmarker} and you're the responsible for the all the money , the finance , okay , tomorrow .Marketing: Mm-hmm.Project Manager: So , what I prefer , okay , so you need to interact with the Christine more and uh within her team , okay , who is using the functional design ortechnical design , okay ,Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: and uh you need to come up with some kind of plan , okay , how we are going to do the{disfmarker} your sales plan , okay , thMarketing: Do we already have a cost limit on this , th an idea of how much uh we want to market this for , how much it'sgonna sell for ,Project Manager: Th That {disfmarker} that'sMarketing: that's up that's up to us to decide , eh ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yes , that's"}
{"doc_id":"doc_47","qid":"","text":"PhD A: It 's not very significant .Professor B: Uh , channel one . Yes .Grad D: Channel three .Professor B: OK .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Grad D: Channel three .PhD A:TaGrad D: Channel three . Alright .Professor B: OK , did you solve speech recognition last week ?Grad E: Almost .Professor B: Alright ! Let 's do image processing.PhD C: Yes , again .PhD A: Great .PhD C: We did it again , Morgan .Professor B: Alright !Grad E: Doo - doop , doo - doo .PhD A: What 's wrong with {disfmarker}?Professor B: OK . It 's April fifth . Actually , Hynek should be getting back in town shortly if he isn't already .PhD C: Is he gonna come here ?Professor B: Uh .Well , we 'll drag him here . I know where he is .PhD C: So when you said \" in town \" , you mean {pause} Oregon .Professor B: U u u u uh , I meant , you know ,this end of the world , yeah , {vocalsound} is really what I meant ,PhD C: Oh .Grad E: Doo , doo - doo .Professor B: uh , cuz he 's been in Europe .Grad E: Doo -doo .Professor B: So .PhD C: I have something just fairly brief to report on .Professor B: Mmm .PhD C: Um , I did some {pause} experim uh , uh , just a fewmore experiments before I had to , {vocalsound} uh , go away for the w well , that week .Professor B: Great !PhD C: Was it last week or whenever ? Um , sowhat I was started playing with was the {disfmarker} th again , this is the HTK back - end . And , um , I was curious because the way that they train up themodels , {vocalsound} they go through about four sort of rounds of {disfmarker} of training . And in the first round they do {disfmarker} uh , I think it 's threeiterations , and for the last three rounds e e they do seven iterations of re - estimation in each of those three . And so , you know , that 's part of what takes solong to train the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the back - end for this .Professor B: I 'm sorry , I didn't quite get that . There 's {disfmarker} there 's four andthere 's seven and {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 'm sorry .PhD C: Yeah . Uh , maybe I should write it on the board . So , {vocalsound} there 's four rounds oftraining . Um , I g I g I guess you could say iterations . The first one is three , then seven , seven , and seven . And what these numbers refer to is the number oftimes that the , uh , HMM re - estimation is run . It 's this program called H EProfessor B: But in HTK , what 's the difference between , uh , a {disfmarker} aninner loop and an outer loop in these iterations ?PhD C: OK . So what happens is , um , at each one of these points , you increase the number of Gaussians in themodel .Professor B: Yeah . Oh , right ! This was the mix up stuff .PhD C: Yeah . The mix up .Professor B: That 's right .PhD C: Right .Professor B: I remember now.PhD C: And so , in the final one here , you end up with , uh {disfmarker} for all of the {disfmarker} the digit words , you end up with , uh , three {pause}mixtures per state ,Professor B: Yeah .PhD C: eh , in the final {pause} thing . So I had done some experiments where I was {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I wantto play with the number of mixtures .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD C: But , um , uh , I wanted to first test to see if we actually need to do {pause} this manyiterations early on .Grad E: Uh , one , two ,Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD C: And so , um , I {disfmarker} I ran a couple of experiments where I {vocalsound}reduced that to l to be three , two , two , {vocalsound} uh , five , I think , and I got almost the exact same results .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD C: And{disfmarker} but it runs much much faster . So , um , I {disfmarker} I think m {pause} it only took something like , uh , three or four hours to do the fulltraining ,Professor B: As opposed to {disfmarker} ?PhD F: Good .PhD C: as opposed to wh what , sixteen hours or something like that ? I mean , it takes{disfmarker} you have to do an overnight basically , the way it is set up now .PhD F: Yeah . It depends .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD C: So ,uh , even we don't do anything else , doing something like this could allow us to turn experiments around a lot faster .Professor B: And then when you have yourfinal thing , do a full one , so it 's {disfmarker}PhD C: And when you have your final thing , we go back to this .PhD F: Yeah .PhD C: So , um , and it 's a realsimple change to make . I mean , it 's like one little text file you edit and change those numbers , and you don't do anything else .PhD F: Oh , this is a{disfmarker}PhD A: Mm - hmm .PhD C: And then you just run .PhD F: OK .PhD C: So it 's a very simple change to make and it doesn't seem to hurt all that much.PhD A: So you {disfmarker} you run with three , two , two , five ? That 's aPhD C: So I {disfmarker} Uh , I {disfmarker} I have to look to see what the exactnumbers were .PhD A: Yeah .PhD C: I {disfmarker} I thought was , like , three , two , two , five ,PhD A: Mm - hmm .PhD C: but I I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll doublecheck . It was {vocalsound} over a week ago that I did it ,PhD A: OK . Mm - hmm .PhD C: so I can't remember exactly .Grad E: Oh .PhD C: But , uh{disfmarker}Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD C: um , but it 's so much faster . I it makes a big difference .Grad E: Hmm .PhD C: So we could do a lot moreexperiments and throw a lot more stuff in there .PhD F: Yeah .Professor B: That 's great .PhD C: Um . Oh , the other thing that I did was , um , {vocalsound} Icompiled {pause} the HTK stuff for the Linux boxes . So we have this big thing that we got from IBM , which is a five - processor machine . Really fast , but it 'srunning Linux . So , you can now run your experiments on that machine and you can run five at a time and it runs , {vocalsound} uh , as fast as , you know , uh ,five different machines .PhD A: Mm - hmm .PhD F: Mm - hmm .PhD C: So , um , I 've forgotten now what the name of that machine is but I can {disfmarker} Ican send email around about it .PhD A: Yeah .PhD C: And so we 've got it {disfmarker} now HTK 's compiled for both the Linux and for , um , the Sparcs . Um ,you have to make {disfmarker} you have to make sure that in your dot CSHRC , {vocalsound} um , it detects whether you 're running on the Linux or a{disfmarker} a Sparc and points to the right executables . Uh , and you may not have had that in your dot CSHRC before , if you were always just running theSparc . So , um ,PhD A: Mm - hmm .PhD C: uh , I can {disfmarker} I can tell you exactly what you need to do to get all of that to work . But it 'll {disfmarker} itreally increases what we can run on .Grad E: Hmm . Cool .PhD C: So , {vocalsound} together with the fact that we 've got these {pause} faster Linux boxes andthat it takes less time to do {pause} these , um , we should be able to crank through a lot more experiments .PhD A: Mm - hmm .PhD C: So .Grad E: Hmm .PhDC: So after I did that , then what I wanted to do {comment} was try {pause} increasing the number of mixtures , just to see , um {disfmarker} see how{disfmarker} how that affects performance .PhD A: Yeah .PhD C: So .Professor B: Yeah . In fact , you could do something like {pause} keep exactly the sameprocedure and then add a fifth thing onto itPhD C: Mm - hmm .Professor B: that had more .PhD C: Exactly .Professor B: Yeah .PhD C: Right . Right .Grad E: So at{disfmarker} at the middle o where the arrows are showing , that 's {disfmarker} you 're adding one more mixture per state ,PhD C: Uh - huh . Uh ,Grad E: or{disfmarker} ?PhD C: let 's see , uh . It goes from this {disfmarker} uh , try to go it backwards {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} at this point it 's two mixtures{pause} per state . So this just adds one . Except that , uh , actually for the silence model , it 's six mixtures per state .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD C: Uh , so itgoes to two .Grad E: OK .PhD C: Um . And I think what happens here is {disfmarker}Professor B: Might be between , uh , shared , uh {disfmarker} sharedvariances or something ,PhD C: Yeah . I think that 's what it is .Professor B: or {disfmarker}PhD C: Uh , yeah . It 's , uh {disfmarker} Shoot . I {disfmarker} I{disfmarker} I can't remember now what happens at that first one . Uh , I have to look it up and see .Grad E: Oh , OK .PhD C: Um , there {disfmarker} becausethey start off with , uh , an initial model which is just this global model , and then they split it to the individuals . And so , {vocalsound} it may be that that 'swhat 's happening here . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I have to look it up and see . I {disfmarker} I don't exactly remember .Grad E: OK.Professor B: OK .PhD C: So . That 's it .Professor B: Alright . So what else ?PhD A: Um . Yeah . There was a conference call this Tuesday . Um . I don't know yetthe {disfmarker} {vocalsound} what happened {vocalsound} Tuesday , but {vocalsound} the points that they were supposed to discuss is still , {vocalsound} uh, things like {vocalsound} the weights , uh {disfmarker}Professor B: Oh , this is a conference call for , uh , uh , Aurora participant sort of thing .Grad E: For{disfmarker}PhD A: Yeah . Yeah .Professor B: I see .PhD A: Mmm .Professor B: Do you know who was {disfmarker} who was {disfmarker} since we weren't inon it , uh , do you know who was in from OGI ? Was {disfmarker} {vocalsound} was {disfmarker} was Hynek involved or was it SunilPhD A: I have no idea.Professor B: or {disfmarker} ?PhD A: Mmm , I just {disfmarker}Professor B: Oh , you don't know . OK .PhD A: Yeah .Professor B: Alright .PhD A: Um , yeah . Sothe points were the {disfmarker} the weights {disfmarker} how to weight the different error rates {vocalsound} that are obtained from different language and{disfmarker} and conditions . Um , it 's not clear that they will keep the same kind of weighting . Right now it 's a weighting on {disfmarker} on improvement.Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD A: Some people are arguing that it would be better to have weights on uh {disfmarker} well , to {disfmarker} to combine errorrates {pause} before computing improvement . Uh , and the fact is that for {disfmarker} right now for {pause} the English , they have weights {disfmarker}they {disfmarker} they combine error rates , but for the other languages they combine improvement . So it 's not very consistent . Um {disfmarker}Professor B:Mm - hmm .PhD A: Yeah . The , um {disfmarker} Yeah . And so {disfmarker} Well , {vocalsound} this is a point . And right now actually there is a thing also ,{vocalsound} uh , that happens with the current weight is that a very non - significant improvement {pause} on the well - matched case result in {pause} hugedifferences in {disfmarker} {vocalsound} in the final number .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD A: And so , perhaps they will change the weights to {disfmarker}PhDC: Hmm .PhD A: Yeah .PhD C: How should that be done ? I mean , it {disfmarker} it seems like there 's a simple way {disfmarker}PhD A: Mm - hmm .PhD C: Uh, this seems like an obvious mistake or something .Professor B: Well , I mean , the fact that it 's inconsistent is an obvious mistake .PhD C: Th - they 're{disfmarker}Professor B: But the {disfmarker} but , um , the other thing {disfmarker}PhD A: InProfessor B: I don't know I haven't thought it through , but one{disfmarker} one would think that {vocalsound} each {disfmarker} It {disfmarker} it 's like if you say what 's the {disfmarker} what 's the best way to do anaverage , an arithmetic average or a geometric average ?PhD C: Mm - hmm .Professor B: It depends what you wanna show .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B:"}
{"doc_id":"doc_48","qid":"","text":"Lynne Neagle AM: Good afternoon. Can I welcome Members to the virtual meeting of the Children, Young People and Education Committee this afternoon? Inaccordance with Standing Order 34.19, I've determined that the public are excluded from the committee's meeting, in order to protect public health. Inaccordance with Standing Order 34.21, notice of this decision was included in the agenda for this meeting, which was published last Thursday. This meeting is,however, being broadcast live on Senedd.tv, with all participants joining via video-conference. A record of proceedings will be published as usual. Aside from theprocedural adaptation related to conducting proceedings remotely, all other Standing Order requirements for committees remain in place. The meeting isbilingual, and simultaneous translation from Welsh to English is available. Can I remind everyone that the microphones will be controlled centrally, so there's noneed to turn them on and off individually? We've received apologies for absence from Hefin David AM, and there is no substitution. Can I ask Members if there areany declarations of interest, please? No. Okay, thank you. Can I just note for the record that if for any reason I drop out of the meeting, the committee hasagreed that Dawn Bowden AM will temporarily chair while I try to rejoin? Moving on, then, to item 2 this afternoon, which is an evidence session with the WelshGovernment in relation to the impact of the coronavirus pandemic on health and social services as they relate to children and young people in Wales. I'm verypleased to welcome Vaughan Gething AM, the Minister for Health and Social Services; Julie Morgan AM, Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services; AlbertHeaney, deputy director general of the health and social services group; Nicola Edwards, deputy director, childcare, play and early years; Jean White, chiefnursing officer; and Tracey Breheny, who is deputy director of mental health, substance misuse and vulnerable groups. Thank you all very much for yourattendance today—we appreciate your time. We've got lots of questions that we'd like to cover, which we'll go straight into, with questions from SiânGwenllian.Sian Gwenllian AM: Good afternoon. How much do we understand about how this virus impacts children and young people, and their role intransmitting the virus? And how important is it that this is considered in the Welsh Government's exit strategy, especially in the context of reopeningschools?Vaughan Gething AM: Okay. I think it's fair to say that our understanding is developing across all age ranges about the virus and its impact. It's still thecase that children and young people are less likely to be affected significantly by COVID-19 than people with a range of healthcare conditions, and in particularthe age grade that we've seen, and that's underpinned the advice we've given to the whole population about self-isolation by people in age categories, as well asthe extremely vulnerable group we advise to shield. We still don't understand everything about the role that children have to play in the transmitting of the virus,and this is one of the difficulties we face. Because in cold and flu, children transmit the virus and they're also susceptible, in particular to the flu, as well; that'swhy we have a childhood immunisation programme for the flu as well. We do know that there's some developing evidence about what's called a Kawasaki-likesyndrome, but that's affecting very small numbers of children. We have one possible case in Wales—a child who's in critical care—but that isn't confirmed. That'sstill a developing knowledge base. So, the rest of the world is still trying to understand that too. But the generals still apply—that children are less likely to beaffected than older people, but can nevertheless still become unwell, and that's, if you like, one of the few positives in this condition. But as I say, we're stilllearning, so I won't try and present a fully accurate or finalised picture of knowledge in this area.Sian Gwenllian AM: And in terms—[Inaudible.]Vaughan GethingAM: Chair. Sorry. Excuse me, Chair. Sorry—with apologies to the Member, my translation stopped after a while, so I heard the first part translated, and then itjust fell off. I'm really sorry, but I didn't want to try to answer a different question to the one that may be being asked, and don't think that's fair to the Memberor other members of the committee.Lynne Neagle AM: Can we check that translation is back on, please, and maybe Siân could repeat her question?VaughanGething AM: I can hear it, yes.Lynne Neagle AM: Okay, Siân, would you mind repeating that, please?Sian Gwenllian AM: Not at all. I was discussing NHS services,including critical care services, and I was asking whether there is sufficient capacity in place to manage any increase. We, of course, hope that there won't be anyincrease, but should there be an increase, particularly in paediatric cases of coronavirus—let's say such a thing were to happen and this rare syndrome that youmentioned did emerge here in Wales—do we have the capacity in place to deal with these, and with the impact of coronavirus more generally onchildren?Vaughan Gething AM: At this point in time, the answer is 'yes', and there is always a significant caveat, though, and the 'but' that comes in there is thatdespite the fact that we've got a plan for surge capacity in paediatric care—. So, when we increased critical care right across the national health service, we ofcourse looked at paediatric care as part of that as well. So, we can flex up our capacity. But the challenge in all of that this is—it's part of my caution and theGovernment's caution about moves out of lockdown. So, it's much easier to go into lockdown than to come out of it, and I know you heard evidence from theMinister for Education last week about the approach that she wants to take and the principles behind doing that. So, actually, we'll need to think carefully about ifwe are reopening schools, even on a limited basis, what that then does to the circulation of coronavirus within that group of children as well as within the widercommunity, and then to try to understand whether the current capacity we have planned for in surge capacity is still going to be enough, because, actually, oneof the real success stories of the first stage of the fight with coronavirus is that we haven't had our critical care capacity filled up. It's been extended, and theextension has meant that we haven't been overtopped. If we hadn't done that, we definitely would have been. And we'll need to carry on testing ourselves andseeing what's happening and looking at the evidence and making sure that the plan we already have got that we published for paediatric critical care is still fit forpurpose, and again to reconsider if we need to do things differently. But that's part of the difficulty of being a Minister at the moment—you don't know everythingthat's coming, and on this disease in particular, we do know that we're still learning with each passing day.Lynne Neagle AM: [Inaudible.]—Siân?Sian GwenllianAM: Hello. Yes, those are the questions I had on that section.Lynne Neagle AM: Okay. Lovely. Thank you very much. Right, we'll move on now then to somequestion on access to health services from Dawn Bowden.Dawn Bowden AM: Thank you, Chair. Minister, just some concern that you will have heard about interms of parents and carers maybe not taking their children into the healthcare system for other conditions while the coronavirus pandemic is with us. How areyou monitoring that situation at the moment and have you had to look at your own commutation strategy in relation to that?Vaughan Gething AM: We've had tolook at some specifics around communication, so challenges about not just different languages, but about how we get messages to people in a very differentenvironment, and it's really challenging. So, for example, our health visitor service has absolutely not stopped. We've had to think about the way it works, and Ihad this conversation earlier this week with the chief nurse. But the bigger challenge are parents refusing to engage with the service. I understand people's fearand anxiety, but that then means that their family, and in particular their child, isn't getting the sort of proactive care that we would want them to have. So,there's a real concern both at the professional leadership end and for the chief nurse and for Ministers as well about how we can get through. That's actuallyabout rebuilding people's confidence in the service, and that isn't straightforward because there's a broader concern about coronavirus still circulating. But I thinkfor us it's really important to reiterate that we have thought again about how to provide the service. We've thought about how to protect staff and families andthe very clear message to parents is to please make sure that when health and care professionals are calling to help and support your family, please discuss yourconcerns with them. We're doing even more remotely, via telephone and online as well. There are times you need to be physically in the same place, for exampleon routine vaccinations, because we certainly haven't stopped that programme either, and I really wouldn't want to see that one of the unintended consequencesof what we've done is that if parents don't engage with that service, we could potentially see a rise in other diseases. We're all, I think—not just you in yourconstituency, but others who are on this call and others as well—seeing an occasional reappearance of measles, and that's because people didn't engage with thevaccination programme. I don't want, either myself or a different health Minister in the future, to be sat here talking about how in years to come the failure toengage in a vaccination programme has led to clearly avoidable but significant harm to children and young people and the communities they live in.Lynne NeagleAM: Thank you. Jean, you wanted to come in.Vaughan Gething AM: You need to unmute yourself. Oh, no—Professor Jean White: Thank you. I just want to add towhat the Minister said. So, I approached the immunisation lead in Public Health Wales to see exactly what has been happening recently and they said at the verybeginning of the outbreak parents were very reluctant about coming forward for their routine immunisations, but recently, through lots of energy from theimmunisation clinics and the leads within it reaching out to families, that trend seems to have turned and there's now a much better attendance. One of the mostimportant things we can do to protect our children is to make sure they have their vaccinations. So, yes, there was a bit of a downturn, but it does seem to beimproving at the moment. Thank you.Dawn Bowden AM: Okay, thank you. And that answered my second question, Chair, so I'm happy to leave it there. Thankyou.Lynne Neagle AM: Okay, thank you very much. We're going to go on now to some questions about mental health from Siân Gwenllian. Siân.Sian GwenllianAM: It's a cause of great concern to us all, of course, in terms of the impact of this crisis on mental health and well-being among our children and young people.So, what assessment has the Government undertaken of the impact on these aspects in young people and what work is being done to understand the impact ofthe pandemic? What longer term measures will be put in place and what support services will be put in place?Vaughan Gething AM: Again, I think it's helpful that"}
{"doc_id":"doc_49","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: So {disfmarker} Hello . {vocalsound}Marketing: Good afternoon . Sorry I'm a little late .Project Manager: No problem .Marketing: Got stuck inthe traffic .Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: That's possible on uh this timeof day . Starts at three o'clock . Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Uh , let me see . Our fourth and last meeting . There he is . Yes. Okay this our last meeting . In this meeting we will discuss our final design . And we will do some evaluation about the , not only the product , but also theproject . And then we're going to close the project today as well . So after this you will be uh free to go and uh spend all your money . {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: And this uh design , detailed design meetinguh we will discuss uh the look-and-feel of the design , the usability interface design , and we will do the product evaluation . Um , in order to do that we have thisagenda . We'll have the prototype presentation first . Then we will set up some evaluation cri um criteria . {vocalsound} Then we will look at the finance . Uh wewill have to see if everything we wanna do is also possible within our budget . Because everything costs money , and the more functions you wanna have themore money it will cost . So we have to see if it fits within the twelve and a half Euro per remote . But we will see that later . Then we will do the project uhevaluation , and the closing after that .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: We've got forty minutes . So we will be finished at half past three . Butfirst um we will do the {disfmarker} this is prototype presentation . So , if some yeah if somebody wants step forward .Industrial Designer: Okay . Well this iswhat me and Richard came up with . The default spot for the on-off button . The mute button just below that . Then there's the volume and channel selectors .Simple plus-minus button . Uh we thought of a help button . If you hold it and you press another button , uh the help goes to the L_C_D_ screen . Then there'sthe zero to {disfmarker} one to zero buttons . A button for teletext . A button for the subtitles . And the company logo . So it's rather simple prototype . And uhwe'll have to see from testing uh how the users take it .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Um , {vocalsound} is this the moment where we ask or can askquestions about the functionality ?User Interface: So {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah .Industrial Designer: Sure uh just pop in at any time .Marketing: Um , whenyou're in teletext there usually are buttons where you just you just press it and you g go to the next teletext page .User Interface: Uh , that's just uh the normaluh as th as the normal uh remote controls uh {disfmarker} So um {disfmarker} You put it uh {disfmarker} you um came in uh page uh one hundred . Now youcan use the normal uh one to zero buttons .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: And you {disfmarker} But you can also uh use the um button th for uhchanging the the channel . S so uh the shifting uh button . Uh for uh yeah shif shifting up in uh on t on t uh teletext , and shifting uh down . So{disfmarker}Marketing: Okay . Okay . Um {disfmarker} Yeah .Project Manager: Okay . Uh but um I thought in a few meetings earlier we uh uh tried to keep it uhsimple . Uh just a few buttons and large buttons .User Interface: Oh yeah ?Project Manager: But uh I think these are altogether quite a quite a few buttons . SoI'm wondering if we if we neely {disfmarker} really need all of those buttons .User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I think if you lookat most controls , they've got more buttons than this .Project Manager: That's right .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: And well the on-off button , it's it'sa necessity .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: You can't drop that one . The volume and channel buttons , you need youobviously need those those .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: The mute button could be replaced uh by pressing the volume-down button twice . So wecould cancel that one . I think the help button really is necessaryUser Interface: Yeah yeah .Industrial Designer: because there's no other way to know whensomeone wants to know what a button does .Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: Uh , or you can build in uh when you press uh one button uh uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: Long time . Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: If you put {disfmarker}User Interface: But m Yeah . We disc discuss thatalready . But uh we think uh old people uh don't know that uh option . So uh they just put in uh put {vocalsound} press uh the button and uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah . Okay .Industrial Designer: Well , {vocalsound} you can't leave out the number buttons I guess .Project Manager: Yeah.User Interface: And uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Uh teletext and subtitles are yeah necessary .Industrial Designer: And {disfmarker} {vocalsound}UserInterface: Oh .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: So it's rather basic already .Marketing: Yeah . Think so .That's what I pointed out earlier . If you just make a control for just the T_V_ there's just not much to gain here .Project Manager: Yep .User Interface: Yeah.Project Manager: Okay . So we had somebody about th interfa Something about the design of the buttons there ?Industrial Designer: Yeah , they're{disfmarker}Project Manager: Just n normal plain buttons .User Interface: Yeah . Yeah ,Industrial Designer: It's rather hard to draw on the white-board .UserInterface: it {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: But they're supposed to be equal sized , round , with a with a little logo on it for the for the volume , the thetriangle and stuff .Project Manager: Yeah . 'Kay .User Interface: Yeah yeah . Just to recognise it , so uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Just for recognition.User Interface: Uh yeah and now we don't need uh LEDs or um {disfmarker} Y uhProject Manager: No .User Interface: s some uh remote controls uh do it also,Project Manager: No .User Interface: but um uh because we use the little display we don't uh have to use it . Uh so {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah . Okay.Industrial Designer: So and for the materials we've just chosen for rubber buttons . With a a different colour than the case .User Interface: Nay .ProjectManager: Yep .Industrial Designer: So they jump out .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: And uh that's about it .Project Manager: That's nice . Thenbecause we only have thirty minutes left , I will move on to the finance part , which is pretty exciting , to see if it's all possible what we wanna do . And I can tellyou that we're going to have a pretty hard time producing this for twelve and a half Euros .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: If wesee {disfmarker} I don't know if I've filled in correctly , so just correct me if you see uh something wrong . I counted two batteries . But maybe we can also useone . I don't know if it's possible .Marketing: Since it rechargeable .Project Manager: It's rechargeable . That's right .User Interface: Yeah we can u just uh {gap}{disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay . That's two Euros off . {vocalsound}User Interface: 'Kay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: We need the advanced chip . Sothere's not much to uh {vocalsound} to save there .Industrial Designer: Yep .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Here we have the single curves . Uh we can see thatthe difference between uncurved and the single curved is one Euro . Um ,User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: I don't know , but I think the single curved isgood for design , and also for the display to have a prominent place on the remote control .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: I think we have to keep that.Industrial Designer: Yes .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Then we have the case material supplements . It's plastic . It's the cheapest one we need . Sothat's uh not much to save either . But then the biggest costs are the buttons . So maybe we really should try to discard some buttons to uh keep our costs low.User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: Because you have to {disfmarker} we will have to get the twelve and a half Euros at the end . Um ,User Interface: Yeah.Project Manager: so if we {disfmarker} Let's fir first count the buttons we have now .User Interface: Uh {disfmarker} Sixteen , I believe so .Project Manager:Because I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Sixteen . Nah , that will be even more then . Eighteen Euros . So ,User Interface: Uh seventeen . Uh with the help button.Project Manager: seventeen .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Um {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay , including the help ?Industrial Designer: Yep.Marketing: Damn .Project Manager: Yeah . Uh seventeen .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: I think we can uh discard the help and the mute button uh bypressing down volume long , or pressing down a a number long .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {gap} .Industrial Designer: Yep .Project Manager: Thatsaves us uh one Euro already . 'Cause then we have got fifteen I think ?Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Wouldn't {disfmarker}Project Manager: Fifteenbuttons .Marketing: Yeah . No . That wouldn't be an option .Project Manager: And this is {disfmarker}Marketing: Uh , d I assume you'd count the volume andchannel thingies for two buttons each , right ?Project Manager: No those are one , I think .User Interface: Yeah . Where did uh {disfmarker}{vocalsound}Marketing: Well , think actually there're two buttons ,User Interface: Uh , it's just one button .Marketing: aren't they ?User Interface: But , um{disfmarker} Yeah . There were uh two uh for one big button . But they are uh more expensive than the small ones . Uh , yeah . So {disfmarker}ProjectManager: Yeah but th it's not stated in this files .User Interface: It's just a {gap} .Project Manager: So maybe we can we can even make one button with thevolume and the channel in one , by pressingMarketing: Well I was thinking , maybe you could just integrate three of those numbers to one button .ProjectManager: That's possibility as well .Marketing: That would cut the cost .Project Manager: So {disfmarker} And it's good for the design as well . So you can make{disfmarker} Uh let's see . If you make this {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Looks a bit like uh a cross . {vocalsound} Plus . Min .User Interface: But I don't don'tknow if if it's cheaper .Project Manager: Uh s yeah channel .User Interface: So uh ,Project Manager: Yeah wUser Interface: we've still got four buttons , but justum {disfmarker} So {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah th I think they count uh the materials .User Interface: You got uh not not a butt button itself , but uh onthe um {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah on the chip there . Yeah .User Interface: Yeah . On the chip you've got still uh four uh four buttons .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: That's right . That's right .User Interface: So {disfmarker}Project Manager: But I think because we havethe advanced chipMarketing: Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} we can just count this as one button .User Interface: Yeah , but {disfmarker}Marketing:"}
{"doc_id":"doc_50","qid":"","text":"Grad A: OK , we 're on .Professor B: Yeah .Grad A: So , I think this is gonna be a pretty short meeting because I have four agenda items , three of them wererequested by Jane who is not gonna be at the meeting today .  So . {vocalsound} The uh first was transcription status . Does anyone besides Jane know what thetranscription status is ?PhD F: Um , sort of , I do , peripherally .PhD C: Is that English ?PhD F: Um {disfmarker} Well first of all with IBM I got a note from Brianyesterday saying that they finally made the tape for the thing that we sent them a {pause} week or week and a half agoPhD D: That 's our system .Grad A: Ugh!PhD F: and that it 's gone out to the transcribers and hopefully next week we 'll have the transcription back from that .Grad A: C can I have a pen ?PhD F: Um{disfmarker} Jane seems to be um moving right along on the transcriptions from the ICSI side . She 's assigned , I think probably five or six m more meetings.PhD C: Yeah , I think we 're up to MR thirteen or something .PhD D: Mmm .PhD F: Yeah , so um , I guess she 's hired some new transcribersPhD D: Speaking{disfmarker}Grad E: Which meetings is she transcribing ?PhD F: and {disfmarker} Um well we 've {disfmarker} we 've run out of E D Us because a certainnumber of them are um , sort of awaiting to go to IBM .Grad E: OK .PhD C: For IBM , yeah .PhD D: Hmm .Grad E: OK .PhD F: and the rest are in process beingtranscribed uh here .PhD D: So does she have transcribers right now who are basically sitting idle because there 's no data back from IBMGrad E: So we 're doingsome in parallel .Grad A: Yep .PhD F: No .Grad A: No , no .PhD F: Oh no no .Grad A: We haven't done that process .PhD D: no ?PhD F: No . We 're not waiting onthem .Grad A: So . They ' r they 're doing the full transcription process .PhD D: Oh . Oh , OK .Grad E: So they 're just doing their own thing until {disfmarker}PhDF: Yeah .PhD D: Because I {disfmarker} I need to ask Jane whether it 's {disfmarker} it would be OK for her {disfmarker} um , s some of her people totranscribe uh some of the initial data we got from the SmartKom data collection , which is these short like five or seven minute sessions .PhD F: We 're doing it inparallel , yeah .Grad E: OK .PhD C: Yep .PhD D: Um and we want it {disfmarker} You know , we need {disfmarker} The {disfmarker} Again , we {disfmarker} wehave a similar uh logistic set - up where we are supposed to send the data to MunichGrad A: Right .PhD D: and get it transcribed and get it back . But to getgoing we would like some of the data transcribed right away so we can get started .Grad A: Yep , sounds familiar .PhD D: And so um I wanted to ask Jane if{disfmarker} if uh , you know , maybe one of their transcribers could {disfmarker} could do {disfmarker} I mean since these are very short , that should reallybe uh ,Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD D: um {disfmarker} It 's {disfmarker}PhD C: There 's only two channels . So it 's only {disfmarker} Yeah .PhD D: Yeah .PhDC: As the synthesis doesn't have to be transcribed I think .PhD D: It 's only two {disfmarker} Right , sPhD C: So .PhD D: Yeah . So {disfmarker} So it 's basicallyone channel to transcribe . And it 's {disfmarker} One session is only uh like seven {disfmarker}Professor B: So that should have ma many fewer {disfmarker}And it 's also not uh a bunch of interruptions with people and all that ,PhD D: Right . And some of it is read speech , so we could give them the {disfmarker} thething that they 're readingProfessor B: right ? So . Yeah .PhD D: and they just may {disfmarker}Grad A: Make sure it 's right .PhD C: Yep .PhD D: And so um ,um , I guess since she 's {disfmarker} I was gonna ask her but since she 's not around I {disfmarker} maybe I 'll {disfmarker}Professor B: Yeah , well it certainlyseems {disfmarker}PhD D: Uh if {disfmarker} if that 's OK with you to {disfmarker} to , you know , get that stuff uh {disfmarker} to ask her for that , then I 'lldo that .Professor B: Yeah . Yeah , if we 're held up on this other stuff a little bit in order to encompass that , that 's OK because I I um , I mean I still have highhopes that the that the IBM pipeline 'll work out for us , so it 's {disfmarker}PhD D: Yeah . OK , yeah .Professor B: Yeah .PhD D: Alrighty .PhD F: Oh , yeah , andalso related to the transcription stuff , so I 've been trying to keep a web page uh up to date f showing what the current status is of the trans of all the things we've collected and what stage each meeting is in , in terms of whether it 's {disfmarker}Grad A: Can you mail that out to the list ?PhD F: Mm - hmm , yeah I will . I{disfmarker} That 's the thing that I sent out just to foo people saying can you update these pagesGrad A: Oh , OK , OK .PhD F: and so that 's where I 'm puttingit but I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll send it out to the list telling people to look at it .Grad A: Yeah , I haven't done that . So . I have lots of stuff to add that 's just in myown directory .PhD F: Yeah .Grad A: I 'll try to get to that . OK . So Jane also wanted to talk about participant approval , but I don't really think there 's much totalk about . I 'm just gonna do it . And uh , if anyone objects too much then they can do it instead .Professor B: You are going to {disfmarker}Grad A: I 'm gonnasend out to the participants , uh , with links to web pages which contain the transcripts and allow them to {pause} suggest edits . And then bleep them out.Professor B: OK .Grad A: For the ones that we have . Um {disfmarker}PhD C: So but it 's just transcripts , not the {disfmarker} not the audio ?Grad A: Nope ,they 'll have access to the audio also .PhD C: OK , yeah , yep . Ah .Grad A: I mean that 's my intention . Because the transcripts might not be right .PhD C: Yeah.PhD F: So {disfmarker}Grad A: So you want people to be able to listen to them .PhD C: Yeah .PhD F: So , um the audio that they 're gonna have access to , willthat be the uncompressed version ? Or will you have scripts that like uncompress the various pieces and {disfmarker}Grad A: Oh , that 's a good point . That 's agood point . Yeah , it 's {disfmarker} it 's probably going to have to be the uncompressed versions because , uh , uh , it takes too long to do random accessdecompression .PhD F: Hmm . Yeah , I was just wondering because we 're uh running out of the un - backed - up disk space onGrad A: Well , that was the otherpoint .PhD F: Oh , was that another one ?Grad A: Yep , that 's another agenda item .PhD F: OK . I 'll wait .Grad A: So , uh {disfmarker} But that is a good pointso we 'll get to that , too . Um , DARPA demo status , not much to say . The back - end stuff is working out fine . It 's more or less ready to go . I 've added somestuff that uh indes indexes by the meeting type MR , EDU , et cetera and also by the user ID . So that the front - end can then do filtering based on that as well .Uh {disfmarker} The back - end is uh , going more slowly as I s I think I said before just cuz I 'm not much of a Tcl - TK programmer . And uh Dave Gelbart sayshe 's a little too busy . So I think Don and I are gonna work on that and {disfmarker} and you and I can just talk about it off - line more .Grad E: Right .Grad A:But uh {pause} the back - end was pretty smooth .Professor B: OhGrad A: So I think , we 'll have something . It may not be as {disfmarker} As pretty as wemight like , but we 'll have something .Professor B: I wondered whe when we would reach Dave 's saturation point . He 's sort of been {disfmarker} beenvolunteering for everythingGrad A: Yeah .Professor B: and {pause} and uh {disfmarker}PhD D: Mm - hmm .Professor B: O K . Finally said he was too busy . Iguess we reached it .Grad A: Yeah , he {disfmarker} he actually {disfmarker} he volunteered but then he s then he retracted it . So . Oh well . Um{disfmarker}Grad E: And , also um , I was just showing Andreas , I got um an X Waves kind of display , and I don't know how much more we can do with it{disfmarker} with like the prosodic stuff where we have like stylized pitches and signals and the transcripts on the bottomGrad A: Oh , cool .Grad E: so , rightnow it 's just an X Waves and then you have three windows but I don't know , it looked pretty nice and I 'm sure it {disfmarker} think it has potential for a littlesomething ,Grad A: For a demo ?Grad E: yeah , for a demo .Grad A: Yeah , sounds good .Grad E: So {disfmarker}Professor B: OK , so again , the issue is{disfmarker} For July , the issue 's gonna be what can we fit into a Windows machine , uh , and so on , but {disfmarker}Grad E: Oh . OK .Grad A: So it might justbe slides .Grad E: Yeah , OK .PhD C: Well {disfmarker} {pause} Yeah .Grad E: Well , we 'll see , um {disfmarker}PhD C: I 've been putting together uhTranscriber things for Windows so i And I installed it on Dave Gelbart 's PC and it worked just fine . So hopefully that will work .PhD D: Really ? So is that{disfmarker} Because there 's some people um {disfmarker} It would be cool if we could uh get that to work uh at {disfmarker} at SRIPhD C: Yeah . Yep .PhD D:because the um {disfmarker}Grad A: Well Transcriber is Tcl - TK , very generic with Snack ,PhD D: we have m m We have more Windows machines to run the{disfmarker}PhD C: Yeah .Grad A: so basically anything you can get Snack to run on , it will work .PhD D: Right .PhD C: Yeah . Yeah but {disfmarker} But theproblem is the version Transcriber works with , the Snack version , is one point six whatever and that 's not anymore supported . It 's not on {disfmarker} on theweb page anymore . But I just wrote an email to {disfmarker} to the author of {disfmarker} to the Snack author and he sent me to one point six whateverlibraryGrad A: Well I thought it was packaged with Transcriber ?PhD C: and so it works . Yeah , but then you can't add our patches and then the {disfmarker} thenew version is {disfmarker} is totally differentGrad A: Oh .PhD C: a and in {disfmarker} yeah , in terms of {disfmarker} of the source code .Grad A: Ah .PhD C:You {disfmarker} you can't find the Tcl files anymore . It 's some whatever wrapped thingPhD D: Mmm .PhD C: and you can't {disfmarker} you can't access thatso you have to install {disfmarker} First install Tcl then install Snack and then install the Transcriber thing and then do the patches .Grad A: Patch . Ugh !PhD D: I{disfmarker} I wonder if {disfmarker} if we should contribute our changes back to the authors so that they maintain those changes along {disfmarker}PhD C:Yeah . Yeah .Grad A: We have {disfmarker} Yeah b it 's just hasn't made it into the release yet .PhD D: We have ? Oh . Oh , OK .PhD F: So did you um put the uh{disfmarker} {vocalsound} the NT version out on the uh Meeting Recorder page ? Or {disfmarker}PhD C: No , I haven't done that yet . I 'm {disfmarker} ohNope . But I definitely will do that .Professor B: So , can some of the stuff that Don 's talking about somehow fit into this Uh , mean you just have a set ofnumbers that are associated with the {disfmarker}Grad E: Yeah .PhD C: So {disfmarker}Grad E: Yeah , it 's basically ASCII files or binary files , whateverrepresentation . Just three different {disfmarker} It 's a waveform and just a stylized pitch vector basically so it 's {disfmarker}PhD D: So {disfmarker} So{disfmarker} Well {disfmarker}Grad E: I mean we could do it in Matl - {comment} I mean you could do it in a number of different places I 'm sure .PhD D: But{disfmarker} But it would be cool if the Transcriber interface had like another window for the {disfmarker} you know , maybe above the waveform where it would"}
{"doc_id":"doc_51","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay um , welcome to our detailed design meeting . I'm pretty excited . Let's start it's approximately fifteen forty or something like that . Okayum the agenda {disfmarker} we're gonna do an opening and then um I'll talk about the minutes from the last meeting , what we d discussed um , then we'll havethe prototype presentation and a look at the evaluation criteria . We'll look at the finances and finally a {disfmarker} do a production evaluation and close . So ,starting off with the um last {disfmarker} the last one , oh I don't have it here um , but we talked about energy , we're gonna use a kinetic battery um , we wantto use a simple chip , because we're not gonna need a a shuffle um , we're gonna need a scroll um , we're choosing a latex case w in fruity colours that's curvedand um we're using push buttons uh with a supplement of an on-screen menu . And it sounded like we had set um like eight or nine buttons , including fivepre-set channels . Okay ? Let's do the look and feel design presentation first .User Interface: Right , do you wanna start ?Industrial Designer: Right , well wemade three different prototypes and I guess we'll start with with this one . Um we have our colours not {disfmarker} are not fixed , but this is the general shape .Um it's {disfmarker} you hold it sort of either like like this in your left hand or you switch it over and uh it's easily adaptable to either hand . You can push thebuttons with your thumb like a mobile phone , or you can push them with your index finger of your other hand , or even {disfmarker} I mean there's a wholevariety , you can hold it like this and press it with your same index finger . Uh we have the on off button at the tip , very visible , very big . We have our up anddown buttons , which are also gonna be our channel selectors , and we have our little menu button here . If you push {disfmarker} if you're just pushing thesenormally , they're the menu buttons , if {disfmarker} uh the volume buttons rather . If you press select once , they become channel changing buttons . If wepress select three times , the menu with the other features and pro possibly also with your T_V_ channel choices shows up , and you have your five presets downhere . Um if people wanna grab hold of that , see how it feels in your hand . That's our number one prototype . Um do you wanna present the potato ,ProjectManager: {gap} like a little lightning in it .Industrial Designer: or shall I present the Martian ?User Interface: Okay ,Project Manager: The little lightning bolt in it ,very cute .User Interface: um {disfmarker} What {disfmarker} We call that one the rhombus ,Marketing: I could {disfmarker}Project Manager: The v therhombus rhombus ?User Interface: uh the rhombus .Industrial Designer: That's the rhombus , yep .User Interface: Um this one is known as the potato , uhit'sIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: it's a {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: how can I present it ? It's an ergonomic shape ,so it it fits in your hand nicely . Um it's designed to be used either in your left hand or or in your right hand . Um I've gone here just for just for four buttons onthis one . Um the two blue buttons here are for adjusting the volume . So you've got volume up and volume down on the other side here . Um the red ones arefor uh changing channels , channel up and channel down and that's um moves between your favourite channels that you've selected . Uh this middle button herebrings up the on-screen menu and when you're working in the on-screen menu you use the other four buttons to navigate around the menu system and themiddle button uh to select and that's basically it , that's the potato .Project Manager: Um on , off ?User Interface: Uh that would be one of your channels ,basically ,Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: so like channel zero would be t to switch switch the machine off ,Project Manager: Yeah we turn it off .UserInterface: yeah .Marketing: Could the middle button of the on-screen menu function as a power button ?User Interface: Um not really ,Industrial Designer:{gap}User Interface: it would make it hard to turn the machine off , to turn your T_V_ off .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: If you pressed andheld it maybe .User Interface: Yeah yeah , that that'd be one way of doing it , yeah . That'd work , yeah .Marketing: If you like held it down , that would be on off.Industrial Designer: Yeah . On off , that's a possibility , yeah .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: And then finally we have um the Martian or the pear ,either way . Um it's a bit different , just a little bit more of a creative feel . Uh you have the on off toggle stem on the top . {vocalsound} We have the five presetseeds {vocalsound} .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} And then you have on the sides to make it a little bit morethree-dimensional , you have your channel changing , volume changing buttons and your menu button right here in the middle . So , that's for your considerationas well , plus it's an interesting talking point to have standing up .User Interface: Let's pass .Industrial Designer: We figured it could stand up like this on yourtable , if you wanted it to , if I made the bot the bottom flat . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh-huh . {vocalsound}Marketing: Sorry , what's the yellow one inthe middle ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Uh the menu select button . {vocalsound}Marketing: I forgot .Project Manager: {gap} Very interesting .{vocalsound} I think that one's my favourite .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: So that's {disfmarker} So that's our three prototypes . Umbasically , in terms of making decisions , what we'd need to do is first of all decide on a form uh which of the three different shapes we want , then decide whatkind of button layout we want , how many buttons , and then to choose what colours we want to make the buttons and if we wanna put any text on the device ,like label on the buttons or put a brand name or or a logo on it or whatever .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: We werewe were thinking that normally we'd go for fruity colours , but maybe we're also thinking that your sort of middle aged man , for an example customer , might notwant a fruity coloured remote , so m maybe we'd have one version that's a bit toned down ,Project Manager: Mm 'kay .Industrial Designer: maybe with with lesscontrasts on it . Yeah , something still a little bright to make it hard to lose , but {disfmarker}User Interface: Would {disfmarker} Yeah , but we don't want it tolook like a kids' toy {gap} .Industrial Designer: {gap} yeah .Project Manager: Now that was one thing that we brought up over email . I don't know if you pickedup your email , but um the f the um feature that we considered for it not getting lost .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Right . Well we were we weretalking about that a little bit when we got that email and we think that each of these are so distinctive , that it {disfmarker} it's not just like another piece oftechnology around your house . It's gonna be somewhere that it can be seen .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: So we're we're not thinking thatit's gonna be as critical to have the loss {disfmarker}Marketing: But if it's like under covers or like in a couch you still can't see it .Project Manager: It's really{disfmarker} Would it be very difficult to um just have an external device that like I dunno , you tape to your to your T_V_ um that when you press it you ha alittle light beep goes off ? Do you think that would be conceptually possible ?Industrial Designer: I think {disfmarker}User Interface: I think it would be difficulttechnologically ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: because if your if your remote's lost it's probably under the settee and in that case you can't youcan't send an infrared sing signal to it to find it ,Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: s so it's {disfmarker} I'm not quite sure how it would workProject Manager:That's true , mm 'kay .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: and then I wonder if it's if it's more just a gimmick then anything else . Uh I mean ho how manytimes do you really , seriously lose your remote control and would would a device like that actually help you to find it ?Industrial Designer: There might besomething that you can do in the circuit board and the chip to make it make a noise or something , but it would take a lot more development than we have thisafternoon .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Okay , that's a fair evaluation . Getting lost . Um we {disfmarker} so we do we've decided not to worry about that fornow . Okay 'cause {disfmarker} well , the designs are very bright , so you're right , they're gonna stick out , but um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: So d dopeople have a preference as far as feel and functionality ? Um .Marketing: I feel like this is simil {vocalsound} or it's sort of what already exists so if we're tryingto think of something sort of like new and fun , even though this is like what you're init I'm initially drawn to , just 'cause it's like comfortable and like notdifferent . I sort of like this one , like I I don't know why , it just it's like small but still sort of like cute looking , I dunno . But I also like the b the side buttons onthat one , like I think that's kind of neat .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: But I dunno how much any of this has to do with the fashionable , sort of coollooking thing that we also need to focus on {vocalsound} .Project Manager: Could we maybe have like an extra button on the top for on off ? So then w wewouldn't have to have like a dual function ?Industrial Designer: Mm yeah ,User Interface: Yeah , it's possible , yeah , yeah .Marketing: Ah ,Industrial Designer:that's good , that's good .Marketing: there we go .Industrial Designer: Here , stick it on .User Interface: {vocalsound} Put an extra the button on {gap}{vocalsound} .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Sure .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um uh why don't we do a product evaluationusing your criteria , if you've developed some ?Marketing: Well do we w {vocalsound} like I think we're supposed to have one that we do it for .Project Manager:Oh okay . Okay .Marketing: That was {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: So where {disfmarker}Marketing: I was a little vague on what exactly I'msupposed to do , but let me {disfmarker} I have to like write something on the whiteboard , so .Project Manager: Okay . Do you need thisIndustrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: or just write on the white board ?Marketing: No , I actually don't have like a PowerPointy thing ,Project Manager: Okay .IndustrialDesigner: Right .Marketing: 'cause I think it would be redundant .Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing: I dunno .Project Manager: It's kind of like uh like ajoystick kind of thing ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Ooh .Project Manager: you know ,User Interface: {vocalsound} Cool .Project Manager: kinda push it{vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Hey .Project Manager: 'Kay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Maybe a little smaller than that{gap} .Industrial Designer: No , I kinda like it .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: That's hard to miss .User Interface: It makes look more fruity aswell .Project Manager: Oh it does ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: it's kind of like {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}"}
{"doc_id":"doc_52","qid":"","text":"Grad B: So I guess this is more or less now just to get you up to date , Johno . This is what , uh ,Grad C: This is a meeting for me .Grad B: um , Eva , Bhaskara ,and I did .Grad D: Did you add more stuff to it ? {pause} later ?Grad B: Um . Why ?Grad D: Um . I don't know . There were , like , the {disfmarker} you know ,@ @ and all that stuff . But . I thought you {disfmarker} you said you were adding stuffGrad B: Uh , no .Grad D: but {pause} I don't know .Grad B: This is{disfmarker} Um , Ha ! Very nice . Um , so we thought that , {vocalsound} We can write up uh , an element , and {disfmarker} for each of the situation nodesthat we observed in the Bayes - net ? So . What 's the situation like at the entity that is mentioned ? if we know anything about it ? Is it under construction ? Or isit on fire or something {pause} happening to it ? Or is it stable ? and so forth , going all the way um , f through Parking , Location , Hotel , Car , Restroom , @ @{comment} Riots , Fairs , Strikes , or Disasters .Grad C: So is {disfmarker} This is {disfmarker} A situation are {disfmarker} is all the things which can behappening right now ? Or , what is the situation type ?Grad B: That 's basically {pause} just specifying the {disfmarker} the input for the {disfmarker} w what'sGrad C: Oh , I see y Why are you specifying it in XML ?Grad B: Um . Just because it forces us to be specific about the values {pause} here ?Grad C: OK .Grad B:And , also , I mean , this is a {disfmarker} what the input is going to be . Right ? So , we will , uh {disfmarker} This is a schema . This is {disfmarker}Grad C:Well , yeah . I just don't know if this is th l what the {disfmarker} Does {disfmarker} This is what Java Bayes takes ? as a Bayes - net spec ?Grad B: No , becauseI mean if we {disfmarker} I mean we 're sure gonna interface to {disfmarker} We 're gonna get an XML document from somewhere . Right ? And that XMLdocument will say \" We are able to {disfmarker} We were able to observe that w the element , um , @ @ {comment} of the Location that the car is near . \" Sothat 's gonna be {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {comment} Um .Grad C: So this is the situational context , everything in it . Is that what Situation is short for , shisituational context ?Grad B: Yep .Grad C: OK .Grad B: So this is just , again , a an XML schemata which defines a set of possible , uh , permissible XML structures, which we view as input into the Bayes - net . Right ?Grad C: And then we can r {pause} uh possibly run one of them uh transformations ? That put it into theformat that the Bayes n or Java Bayes or whatever wants ?Grad B: Yea - Are you talking {disfmarker} are you talking about the {disfmarker} the structure ?GradC: Well it {disfmarker}Grad B: I mean when you observe a node .Grad C: When you {disfmarker} when you say {pause} the input to the {pause} v Java Bayes ,{comment} it takes a certain format ,Grad B: Um - hmm .Grad C: right ? Which I don't think is this . Although I don't know .Grad B: No , it 's certainly not this .Nuh .Grad C: So you could just {disfmarker} Couldn't you just run a {disfmarker}Grad B: XSL . {comment} Yeah .Grad C: Yeah . To convert it into the JavaBayes for format ?Grad B: Yep .Grad C: OK .Grad B: That 's {disfmarker} That 's no problem , but I even think that , um {disfmarker} I mean , once{disfmarker} Once you have this sort of as {disfmarker} running as a module {disfmarker} Right ? What you want is {disfmarker} You wanna say , \" OK , giveme the posterior probabilities of the Go - there {pause} node , when this is happening . \" Right ? When the person said this , the car is there , it 's raining , andthis is happening . And with this you can specify the {disfmarker} what 's happening in the situation , and what 's happening with the user . So we get{disfmarker} After we are done , through the Situation we get the User Vector . So , this is a {disfmarker}Grad C: So this is just a specification of all the possibleinputs ?Grad B: Yep . And , all the possible outputs , too . So , we have , um , for example , the , uh , Go - there decision nodeGrad C: OK .Grad B: which has twoelements , going - there and its posterior probability , and not - going - there and its posterior probability , because the output is always gonna be all the decisionnodes and all the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} a all the posterior probabilities for all the values .Grad C: And then we would just look at the , eh , Struct that wewanna look at in terms of if {disfmarker} if we 're only asking about one of the {disfmarker} So like , if I 'm just interested in the going - there node , I wouldjust pull that information out of the Struct that gets return that would {disfmarker} that Java Bayes would output ?Grad B: Um , pretty much , yes , but I think it's a little bit more complex . As , if I understand it correctly , it always gives you all the posterior probabilities for all the values of all decision nodes . So , whenwe input something , we always get the , uh , posterior probabilities for all of these . Right ?Grad C: OK .Grad B: So there is no way of telling it t not to tell usabout the EVA {pause} values .Grad C: Yeah , wait I agree , that 's {disfmarker} yeah , use {disfmarker} oh , uh {pause} Yeah , OK .Grad B: So {disfmarker}so we get this whole list of {disfmarker} of , um , things , and the question is what to do with it , what to hand on , how to interpret it , in a sense . So y you saidif you {disfmarker} \" I 'm only interested in whether he wants to go there or not \" , then I just look at that node , look which one {disfmarker}Grad C: Look atthat Struct in the output ,Grad B: Yep .Grad C: right ?Grad B: Look at that Struct in the {disfmarker} the output , even though I wouldn't call it a \" Struct \" . But.Grad C: Well i well , it 's an XML Structure that 's being res returned ,Grad B: Oh . Mm - hmm .Grad C: right ?Grad B: So every part of a structure is a \" Struct \" .Yeah .Grad C: Yeah , I just uh {disfmarker} I just was {disfmarker} abbreviated it to Struct in my head , and started going with that .Grad B: That element orobject , I would say .Grad C: Not a C Struct . That 's not what I was trying to kGrad B: Yeah .Grad C: though yeah .Grad B: OK . And , um , the reason is{disfmarker} why I think it 's a little bit more complex or why {disfmarker} why we can even think about it as an interesting problem in and of itself is{disfmarker} Um . So . The , uh {disfmarker} Let 's look at an example .Grad C: Well , w wouldn't we just take the structure that 's outputted and then runanother transformation on it , that would just dump the one that we wanted out ?Grad B: Yeah . w We 'd need to prune . Right ? Throw things away .Grad C: Well, actually , you don't even need to do that with XML .Grad B: NoGrad C: D Can't you just look at one specific {disfmarker}Grad B: Yeah , exactly . The{disfmarker} @ @ {comment} Xerxes allows you to say , u \" Just give me the value of that , and that , and that . \" But , we don't really know what we 'reinterested in {pause} before we look at the complete {disfmarker} at {disfmarker} at the overall result . So the person said , um , \" Where is X ? \" and so , wewant to know , um , is {disfmarker} Does he want info ? o on this ? or know the location ? Or does he want to go there ? Let 's assume this is our {disfmarker}our question .Grad C: Sure .Grad B: Nuh ? So . Um . Do this in Perl . So we get {disfmarker} OK . Let 's assume this is the output . So . We should con be able toconclude from that that {disfmarker} I mean . It 's always gonna give us a value of how likely we think i it is that he wants to go there and doesn't want to gothere , or how likely it is that he wants to get information . But , maybe w we should just reverse this to make it a little bit more delicate . So , does he wannaknow where it is ? or does he wanna go there ?Grad C: He wants to know where it is .Grad B: Right . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I tend to agree . And if it 's{disfmarker} If {disfmarker}Grad C: Well now , y I mean , you could {disfmarker}Grad B: And i if there 's sort of a clear winner here , and , um {disfmarker}and this is pretty , uh {disfmarker} indifferent , then we {disfmarker} then we might conclude that he actually wants to just know where , uh t uh , he does wantto go there .Grad C: Uh , out of curiosity , is there a reason why we wouldn't combine these three nodes ? into one smaller subnet ? that would just basically be{pause} the question for {disfmarker} We have \" where is X ? \" is the question , right ? That would just be Info - on or Location ? Based upon {disfmarker}GradB: Or Go - there . A lot of people ask that , if they actually just wanna go there . People come up to you on campus and say , \" Where 's the library ? \" You 'regonna say {disfmarker} y you 're gonna say , g \" Go down that way . \" You 're not gonna say \" It 's {disfmarker} It 's five hundred yards away from you \" or \" It's north of you \" , or {disfmarker} \" it 's located {disfmarker} \"Grad C: Well , I mean {disfmarker} But the {disfmarker} there 's {disfmarker} So you just havethree decisions for the final node , that would link thes these three nodes in the net together .Grad B: Um . I don't know whether I understand what you mean .But . Again , in this {disfmarker} Given this input , we , also in some situations , may wanna postulate an opinion whether that person wants to go there now thenicest way , use a cab , or so s wants to know it {disfmarker} wants to know where it is because he wants something fixed there , because he wants to visit t it orwhatever . So , it {disfmarker} n I mean {disfmarker} a All I 'm saying is , whatever our input is , we 're always gonna get the full output . And some{disfmarker} some things will always be sort of too {disfmarker} not significant enough .Grad C: Wha Or i or i it 'll be tight . You won't {disfmarker} it 'll be hardto decide .Grad B: Yep .Grad C: But I mean , I guess {disfmarker} I guess the thing is , uh , this is another , smaller , case of reasoning in the case of anuncertainty , which makes me think Bayes - net should be the way to solve these things . So if you had {disfmarker} If for every construction ,Grad B: Oh !GradC: right ? you could say , \" Well , there {disfmarker} Here 's the Where - Is construction . \" And for the Where - Is construction , we know we need to l look atthis node , that merges these three things togetherGrad B: Mm - hmm .Grad C: as for th to decide the response . And since we have a finite number ofconstructions that we can deal with , we could have a finite number of nodes .Grad B: OK . Mm - hmm .Grad C: Say , if we had to y deal with arbitrary language ,it wouldn't make any sense to do that , because there 'd be no way to generate the nodes for every possible sentence .Grad B: Mm - hmm .Grad C: But since wecan only deal with a finite amount of stuff {disfmarker}Grad B: So , basically , the idea is to f to feed the output of that belief - net into another belief - net .GradC: Yeah , so basically take these three things and then put them into another belief - net .Grad B: But , why {disfmarker} why {disfmarker} why only those three? Why not the wholGrad C: Well , I mean , d For the Where - Is question . So we 'd have a node for the Where - Is question .Grad B: Yeah . But we believe that allthe decision nodes are {disfmarker} can be relevant for the Where - Is , and the Where {disfmarker} How - do - I - get - to or the Tell - me - something - about.Grad C: You can come in if you want .Grad B: Yes , it is allowed .Grad C: As long as y you 're not wearing your h your h headphones . Well , I do I {disfmarker}"}
{"doc_id":"doc_53","qid":"","text":"The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota (NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)): I call this meeting to order. Welcome to meeting number 22 of the House of Commons SpecialCommittee on the COVID-19 Pandemic. A reminder to all members that in order to avoid issues with sound, members participating in person should not also beconnected to the video conference. For those joining via video conference, I would like to remind you that, when speaking, you should be on the same channel asthe language you are speaking. As usual, please direct your remarks through the chair. I understand we don't have any ministerial announcements today, so we'llproceed to presenting petitions. I would like to remind members that any petition presented during a meeting of the special committee must have already beencertified by the clerk of petitions. For members participating in person, we ask that they please come and drop the signed certificate off at the table once thepetition is presented. The first petition will be presented by Ms.May.Ms. Elizabeth May (SaanichGulf Islands, GP): Mr. Chair, it's an honour to rise in meetingnumber 22 of the COVID-19 committee, otherwise known as something like the House of Commons. I'm here to present two petitions containing hundreds ofsignatures on the issue of the treatment of Falun Gong practitioners by the People's Republic of China, particularly the practice that's alleged of involuntary organharvesting. The petitioners ask the Government of Canada to condemn this practice and to publicly call for an end to the persecution of Falun Gong in the People'sRepublic of China. The second petition is from residents throughout SaanichGulf Islands concerned about what was, at the time this petition was submitted, afuture problem. It remains an issue, and I present it on behalf of petitioners who wish the Government of Canada not to put public funds into purchasing ormaintaining the Trans Mountain pipeline or towards any expansion of the pipeline.The Chair: Next we'll go to Ms. Kwan.Ms. Jenny Kwan (Vancouver East, NDP):Mr. Chair, I rise to table two petitions. The first petition deals with the COVID-19 situation. The petitioners note the pandemic is having a devastating impact onmany Canadians nationwide, especially those who have low to modest income, small business gig workers, freelancers, artists, film industry workers, non-salariedworkers and individuals on fixed incomes such as seniors and those on disability. It further notes that rent, mortgage and utility payments are due at the end ofeach month, putting countless Canadians at risk of losing their housing. It is paramount there be safe self-isolation opportunities for all individuals in this country.To that end, the petitioners are calling for the government to immediately enact a nationwide rent freeze, eviction freeze, mortgage freeze and utility freeze,enforce mortgage deferrals for homeowners without penalty or interest charges from financial institutions and provide direct assistance in the form of a monthly,universal, direct payment of $2,000 per month for all, with an additional $250 per child immediately. The second petition deals with the Trans Mountain pipelineexpansion. These petitioners join the hundreds of thousands of people who are opposed to the expansion. Trans Mountain, in building the pipeline, brings massiveenvironmental and economic risk with no substantial benefit to British Columbia or to local residents. Approximately 40,000 barrels of oil have already leakedfrom existing Kinder Morgan pipelines, including two major spills in Burnaby since 2007. I might note, Mr. Chair, that just this past weekend there was yetanother spill to the tune of 1,195 barrels here in British Columbia. There is no known scientific technology to clean up the bitumen when there is a spill, and thenumber of tankers would go from eight to 34 per month into the Burrard Inlet. It puts at risk many residential neighbourhoods and the traditional territories of atleast 15 first nations.The Chair: May I interrupt for a moment, Ms. Kwan. I want to remind all members in the House that when presenting a petition, the idea isto be as concise as possible. Ms. Kwan, I'll let you wrap up, please.Ms. Jenny Kwan: Thank you, Mr. Chair. The petitioners are calling for the government toimmediately act to prevent this new oil pipeline from proceeding through British Columbia.The Chair: Thank you. We'll now go to Mr. Genuis.Mr. Garnett Genuis(Sherwood ParkFort Saskatchewan, CPC): Mr. Chair, I have four petitions to present today. The first petition reflects the outrage of my constituents at theever-expanding order in council from the government banning more and more firearms. In particular, the petitioners highlight the failure of the government to acton the issue of illegal guns. The petitioners note that virtually all violent crimes committed in Canada, including the recent shooting in Nova Scotia, involve illegalfirearms in the hands of those who are already not permitted to possess them. The petition has two asks. First of all, it asks that we reverse the order in councilbanning certain firearms, but also that we propose measures that will effectively address the illegal use of firearms by criminals while respecting the rights oflaw-abiding citizens. It also asks that we ensure that substantial changes to firearms laws in future actually be made by Parliament, not by the government actingin an unaccountable manner. The second petition deals with Bill C-8, which is the government's bill around conversion therapy. The petitioners support efforts toban conversion therapy. They express concern about problems in the wording of the definition used in the legislation. They're asking the government to supportamendments to fix the definition to address the issue of conversion therapy and ensure that the definition is correct and doesn't criminalize certain forms ofcounselling that individuals may voluntarily enter into. The third petition is regarding Bill S-204, a bill in the Senate that seeks to make it a criminal offence for aperson to go abroad to receive an organ without consent, dealing especially with the horrific practice of forced organ harvesting and trafficking in China. Thepetitioners are supportive of Bill S-204 and want to see it move forward. The final petition is with respect to Bill C-7. There's been much discussion in this Houseabout the need to do better in terms of long-term care. Rather than working to do better in long-term care, unfortunately we've seen the government removingvital safeguards in the area of euthanasia. I think our focus should be on assisting life rather than removing safeguards that are required in association with theeuthanasia regime. The petitioners are particularly concerned about the government's plan to remove a 10-day reflection period that normally takes place. Thatperiod can already be waived under certain circumstances, but Bill C-7 proposes to remove it entirely as well as reduce the number of witnesses involved. Thepetitioners are quite concerned about what's going on in Bill C-7 and call for it to be stopped or amended.The Chair: Presenting petitions. We'll proceed tostatements by members. We'll start off with Mr. Manly.Mr. Paul Manly (NanaimoLadysmith, GP): Mr. Chair, we are in the midst of a global pandemic and aneconomic shock. Recent events have ripped open the wound of systemic racism in our country. Racialized and marginalized communities have beendisproportionally affected by the pandemic. Thousands of seniors in long-term care facilities have died. It is clear that we need system change. In the past,governments have bailed out banks and corporations because they were too big to fail. It is time to bail out humanity and the planet. No one will be immune fromthe threat of climate change and mass extinction. Both are the result of the exploitation of the natural world in the name of the economy. Humans created theeconomy. We can choose to change it. We must protect our environment or perish. COVID-19 has demonstrated that together we can take courageous action forthe common good. We need to do the same for the climate crisis, because humanity and our planet are too big to fail.The Chair: We'll now go to Mr.Spengemann.Mr. Sven Spengemann (MississaugaLakeshore, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, today marks World Elder Abuse Awareness Day. Underestimated andunder-reported, elder abuse exists across the world. At risk of neglect and assault, many of the most vulnerable older persons reside in our long-term carefacilities. They are the seniors who have built our country and shaped our communities, who have shown us resilience, courage and selflessness, who have madeus stronger, and whose work and teachings continue to inspire us. They are parents and grandparents, brothers and sisters, friends and mentors. We have notbeen there for them in the same way they've been there for us throughout their lives. The Canadian Forces report, alongside the climbing disproportionate deathtoll in our long-term care facilities, has reconfirmed the ugly, indefensible reality of elder abuse and neglect in Canada. In my community, we mourn the deaths of68 seniors from one long-term care facility alone, Camilla Care. We must make the same unwavering commitment to older persons as they have shown to us. Wemust protect and uphold their human rights. We must do better.The Chair: Before proceeding, I just want to bring up to the members in the background that wewant to keep it as simple and as parliamentary as possible in keeping it neutral. We'll now move to Mr. Barrett.Mr. Michael Barrett (LeedsGrenvilleThousandIslands and Rideau Lakes, CPC): During these trying times, the residents of LeedsGrenvilleThousand Islands and Rideau Lakes have risen to the challenge.They've made sacrifices and gone above and beyond to make the lives of their neighbours better and to keep our communities safe. It would be impossible to listeveryone who has emerged as a community hero, but I'd like to highlight a few, like Lily, an eight-year-old from Elgin who raised funds for her local food bank bybuilding and selling squirrel picnic tables, and Louise Boardman from Spencerville who's making masks for long-term care facilities and selling others in support ofthe Breast Cancer Action centre. The Knights of Columbus in Prescott raised funds and are distributing some $27,000 in support of charitable groups throughoutthe region. The Knights of Columbus in Kemptville are working overtime operating the local food bank. Who can forget our top-notch health care workers likeHannah and Mary at the Brockville COVID-19 testing centre? It is the people of LeedsGrenvilleThousand Islands and Rideau Lakes that make it so great. Toeveryone working to make a difference and to all of our essential workers, thank you.The Chair: Next is Mr. Anandasangaree.Mr. Gary Anandasangaree(ScarboroughRouge Park, Lib.): Mr. Chair, the Indian Act enshrined racism into Canadian law in 1876, and, through residential schools, the child welfare system,our legal system and our police, we criminalized and tore apart indigenous peoples. The deaths of Chantel Moore and Rodney Levi and the assault on Chief AllanAdam are recent examples of systemic racism within the RCMP. Sadly, the RCMP leadership has failed to acknowledge this reality and its root causes. These samesystems negatively impact black Canadians. Anti-black racism has resulted in more young black men being jailed, children being streamed or excluded from"}
{"doc_id":"doc_54","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Afternoon guys . It's gonna be {gap} .Marketing: Rock and roll .Project Manager: Oh . {vocalsound} {gap} 'Kay .Marketing: So do we need tore-train Mike on how to put his mic on ?Project Manager: We may do .Industrial Designer: Think sMarketing: Okay , can he get it all by himself this time ?ProjectManager: I dunno , I'm feeling like a big boy .Industrial Designer: Mm . ProMarketing: {gap}Industrial Designer: Probably not , 'cause he's 'S been listening to{gap} too much .Marketing: So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: He's getting retarded . Yay .Marketing: I believe I can fly .User Interface: Alright well we gotsome exciting stuff for you guys .Industrial Designer: Or not .User Interface: Or not . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Just what I needed wassomething exciting . Remember , I'm an old man .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay , ready to go ?User Interface: All ready .ProjectManager: 'Kay so we've got our conceptual design meeting .Industrial Designer: Apparently I'm old as well .Project Manager: Hopefully we've all got excitingideas now .Marketing: Thirty's really young , eh ?User Interface: {vocalsound} We do .Project Manager: Uh k exciting ideas . 'Kay so here's our agenda ouragenda . UmIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I'm gonna open . I'm gonna talk for a bit about what we're gonna do . I'm gonna take somenotes . We're gonna all do a presentation , and then hopefully we're gonna make some decisions now . {vocalsound} Yep . {vocalsound} Well when I sayhopefully , we have to . SoUser Interface: Alright .Project Manager: I'm gonna let you guys talk before we make decisions . And does anyone really want to gofirst ?User Interface: I guess I'll go first .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: You p two ?User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: What's{disfmarker}User Interface: Component , I think . Yeah .Project Manager: Components design .User Interface: Yep that's it .Industrial Designer: Presented byname . {vocalsound}User Interface: My name is {vocalsound} .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Your name is name ?Marketing: Jose he man is .User Interface:My name is name .Project Manager: Huh hi name .Industrial Designer: My name is Inigo Montoya .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: You killedmy father .User Interface: {vocalsound} Sorry I did this in a bit of a rush .Industrial Designer: Prepare to die . {vocalsound}Marketing: N name .ProjectManager: Right . {vocalsound}User Interface: So so here's a look inside your really old-looking remote control . Um you've got {vocalsound} a printed{vocalsound} a printed uh circuit board here , and you've got all these buttons which kinda press down little rubber {vocalsound} nubbies into these little holesthat activate {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: We've all broke a remote control ri um s yeah . {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah we've allbroken a remote control .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} I've {disfmarker}User Interface: So you've also got um {disfmarker} you'vegot your chip here , your batteries here , and some sorta electronics . Um {disfmarker}Marketing: I just love you tech guys , huh .Industrial Designer: Yeahthere's a thingy and a dingy and {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} You press this and it does thUser Interface: Well {vocalsound}{disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah y do jabber {vocalsound}User Interface: so you've got {disfmarker} here's here's a transistor , and this amplifiesyour signal ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: um you've got the L_E_D_ here on the end of the uh uh on the end of the printed circuit board . Umyou've got a couple diodes here for I don't know who and whatnot {vocalsound} .Project Manager: {vocalsound} I dunno who and whatnot .User Interface: So{disfmarker} {vocalsound} exactly .Industrial Designer: Nah .User Interface: So um we've got a {disfmarker} i in this in this uh drawing he uh in this examplehere , this is a eighteen pin um uh chip {vocalsound} I dunno .Marketing: P Yeah .User Interface: Uh it's two double A_ batteries .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: This is pretty standard remote . So here are options for our power sources . You can use a basic battery , which we've alreadydiscussed , um {vocalsound} th our tech department also said we have the option of doing some kind of hand dynamo where maybe you crank it or somethinglike that .Project Manager: {vocalsound} 'Kay . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I wanna change that {vocalsound} .User Interface: I don't knowif that's really {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} I I gotta I gotta flashlight , and uh {disfmarker}User Interface: I don't know we got some qu crazy guysdown there in that department so {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: You shake it .Marketing:yeah but it's interesting 'cause you shake it like this {vocalsound} .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Like this{vocalsound} .User Interface: So that's the next bullet is the um the kinetic provision of energy ,Marketing: And that's on the camera {vocalsound} .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}User Interface: so it's like that flashlight where you have to shake it {vocalsound} .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: 'Kay .UserInterface: Uh we've got solar cells , which I don't think is a very good idea because um you could not use your remote at night {vocalsound} which doesn't makea lot of sense .Project Manager: Mm 'kay .User Interface: And finally we've got our cradle o our power cradle idea .Project Manager: Okay so we basically havebattery versus cradle here ?User Interface: M battery versus cradle I think is {disfmarker} yeah .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: I like the kinetic.Project Manager: So we have battery versus cradle {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Marketing: I g I I figured you would . Yes . {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: Itcould be fun {vocalsound} .Project Manager: It's actually a novel thing because you could sell it a as a novelty , just to be actually serious for a minute here ,UserInterface: Yeah .Project Manager: you could {disfmarker}User Interface: Well it is it is more uh {disfmarker} I mean it is more eco-friendly than the than thecradle 'cause you're still using power off the grid with the cradle . So umProject Manager: Mm . Hmm .User Interface: our case design . We have uh choices inmaterials and choices in the general shapes that we can do . Our material choices are a plastic latex um ty or plastic , a rubber latex type thing , uh wood , ortitanium . If we go with titanium we're gonna be uh limited in the amount of shapes we can do because it's tough to shape the titanium , and uh {disfmarker}Yeah persProject Manager: Wood wood would ge would give us a little bit of a marketing niche , wouldn't it .User Interface: I think wood i{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} It it it {disfmarker}Project Manager: Nah .User Interface: I I can't see anybody wanting to use a wooden remote , it's justanti-technology really , you know .Marketing: Uh .Project Manager: Okay . Hmm .Marketing: Uh uh to me in a marketing sense it's not it's not relative . We canwe can o we can uh accentuate whatever {disfmarker} whatever product you put in there we can find a way to accentuate it .User Interface: Right .ProjectManager: Okay .User Interface: And what we may be able to do , and I think this might be the best option is to combine some {disfmarker} a couple of these .Um my recommendation personally would be to do some kind of a plastic inner shell with a like a rubber outer shell , to make it um to mak uh like a thick plasticinner shell and a t um kind of a {disfmarker} to have that rubber outer shell to make it more durable , and also maybe i I think it feels a little better than theplastic .Project Manager: 'Kay . Do you get a good grip on the rubber ? Yeah okay . {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah um {disfmarker}Marketing: And if youmake it from that super rubber , when you drop it on the floor it can bounce right back up in your hand .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: You don't even need tolean down to get it .User Interface: The advantages of working with plastic and rubber is {disfmarker} w we we'll have a lot more um options just in terms ofshapeIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: because you can extrude plastic in basically any shape you want . So um{disfmarker} and then we can cover you know the breakable bits with rubber yeah so um {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: But basically theseare {vocalsound} curved and double-curved I I believe that the tech department , in their um {vocalsound} in their {vocalsound} message to me , that theywere referring to the number of th curves in the bottom . I have no idea exactly what they're talking about ,Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: but that'swhat they told me , {vocalsound} uncurved , flat , curved , or double-curved .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: I would guess this like this penwould be kinda like a double-curved , where it's curved on m m multiple axes , right ? I think curved means just curved in one axis and double-curved is curved intwo axesProject Manager: Okay .User Interface: or surfaces . I have no idea .Project Manager: I think it might mean something like that sorta shape because adouble curve rather than a {disfmarker}Marketing: Mm-hmm yeah that's {disfmarker} yeah that's what I see .Project Manager: yeah that's what {gap} .UserInterface: Oh okay oh like a wave , okay .Marketing: Yeah that's what I see also .User Interface: Alright that makes sense okay . Um okay , with the interface wehave the following options , we can u we can use push buttons , we can use a scroll wheel with an integrated push button , and L_C_D_ display ,Marketing: Ooh.User Interface: or multiple scrolling wheels . Um so these are all options that the user interface guy can uh {disfmarker} has at his disposal to put together auser interface .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: For electronics , we have these very technical um {vocalsound} descriptions here . A simple chip , which isthe least expensive , but I have no numbers to give you ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: a regular chip , which is {vocalsound} like the mediumporridge {disfmarker} the {vocalsound} medium expense uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} D do we have actually any concept of what thedifference is between a simple chip and an advanced chip ?User Interface: Yes the difference is , with a simple chip {disfmarker} a simple chip will operate{disfmarker} oh why doesn't this scroll up ? Previous previous , okay . A simple chip is required to operate push buttons .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface:Um {vocalsound} an advanced chip is required to to operate um the L_C_D_ display , and it didn't say specifically , but I I have a hunch that a regular chip isgonna be the scroll wheel and the multiple scroll wheels .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: So but yeah .Project Manager: Yeah that makes sense . Sopresentation from {disfmarker} I guess design would go best . Next .User Interface: That's the end of my presentation .Project Manager: Technical functions or"}
{"doc_id":"doc_55","qid":"","text":"Marketing: Just put it on the deskt {gap} desktop .Project Manager: No on the desktop you'll find you should find that there's a project documents link . A wellactually just there .Marketing: Project documents ,Project Manager: Yeah . That's it .Marketing: yeah .Project Manager: If you dump it in there .Marketing: What'syour username ?Project Manager: Your username .Marketing: What's your username and password ? Mm-hmm . Sorry .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Okay. There we go .Project Manager: Excellent . Right . Hopefully that's us ready to uh to go . So . Functional design meeting . We'll have to flesh out some of the uhstuff . Um we'll start with the minutes of the last meeting . Not a lot thankfully to say . We introduced ourselves , discussed the possibility of a macro facility ,interac interacting the T_V_ a bit more , um mentioning of bar-code , joystick for user manipulation , um and ergonomics of the remote control as well . Um it'scome to my attention the following . Teletext has become outdated due to the populat popularity of the internet . Remote control should only be used for theT_V_ . Um due for uh time to market and possibly also cost issues . Um also key is the corporate image should stay recognisable , um f uh your colour and sloganof course is down at the bottom there . Um . Now . Just to say quickly uh I would have thought that only being used for a television the macro facility may nownot be required .User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: Um or at l its functionality would have been of limited use . So to the point in my opinion anyway that itmight not be worth pursuing . Um if anybody disagrees we can uh definitely say so . Um and hopefully we'll just crack on and we'll get everything going . Um I'dlike to if possible hear from our Marketing Expert first , to help us gain an idea of where we're going to go .Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: So um I'll just loadup your presentation from here if you want .Marketing: Sure . Um , sh would you like to {vocalsound} I'll just do it from here .Project Manager: Yep . Sorry . Uh .Is yours the {disfmarker}Marketing: Um , try second one maybe . Try it , yeah maybe .Project Manager: Oh sorry . Okay , right .Marketing: Yeah . Okay . Oh , Ithought I put in my last name , I guess not , but {gap} .Project Manager: Uh if you {disfmarker} that's all right . If you {disfmarker} do you want me to justcycle through it for you or ?Marketing: Okay . {vocalsound} Oh yeah , that'd be fine , that'd be great .Project Manager: Yeah ?Marketing: Okay . Functionalrequirement by me Ebenezer . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Okay , so um we did some research , we asked one hundred people their opinionson remote controls . We asked some uh open ended questions , just , what are your opinions on the remote control , got a lot of re responses , and we askedsome very specific questions , and we got a lot of good feedback . Please bear in mind this is only a hundred people , so even when the groups are divided intofifteen to twenty five , twenty five to thirty five , there's only maybe ten people {vocalsound} fifteen people in each group .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing:Okay . {vocalsound} So we got {disfmarker} some the bad stuff we got , remotes are often lost . I often lose my remote control , the back of the couch , someplace , and even if it's not lost permanently , it takes me a few minutes to find it . {vocalsound} Most buttons are not used any more , like you said , teletext isoutdated now . I remember trying to load a D_V_D_ player recently , and there were so many buttons , it took me I don't know maybe ten minutes to to gothrough each button , 'cause you have to press the shift button to access the yellow buttons , you know there's just a lot of stuff that no one really uses . And ifthey do , not very often . Takes too long to master the remote control . I've seen some remote controls that are big , they have a lot of buttons , you have to holddown more than one key at one time to do something , they're just not great to use . We just got a lot of bad complaints about remote controls , people do notlike remote controls . Some of the good stuff we got . Between the age of uh fifteen and twenty five , most people would be willing to pay extra for voicerecognition software . Now don't get excited yet , I've got more to say on that . Most people'd be willing to pay for that um most people want remote controls tobe pretty , they want it to be fancy , th they they want it to be different , everybody has a white remote control with black buttons , and a red button and a greenbutton , not everybody wants that . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Finally , my opinion .Project Manager: Yep .Marketing: The voice recognition thing is cool . Anduh voice recognition , the software , open source software exist already . It's a bit sketchy at some times , uh , you're not gonna get good always accurate results, but for a very fixed number of words , you know you have , how many different words can you have for a remote control , up , down , left , right , channel five ,channel seven , you know , how many , you can't have that many words . For a fixed vocabulary it works quite well . I'm pretty sure people would buy it . Butafter a while people may wanna return it , because {vocalsound} if you have to to say som I mean most people use a remote control for switching to channels ,and they say they do that about ninety eight percent of the time . Using the remote control , ninety eight percent of the time for changing channels , and that'sfor flickering through channels . So if you have to say up , up , up , up , if you have to do that all the time , then people might get a bit fed up with that and theymay return it . {vocalsound} However , {vocalsound} oh , because the voice recognition software exists already , there's no need to spend money on researchand development , but this does mean the need for microphones in the in the remote control , which is an unusual feature in my opinion . But if we do have thevoice recognition thing , there's a lot of stuff that you can uh get rid of . See , you could {disfmarker} there're two options . Either you have voice recognition byitself , which I think is a bit impractical for like night time if you wanna be watching television and you wanna be quiet , or I don't know you have a visitor cominground and the remote's only trained for you , it's a bit impractical to have just voice recognition by itself . So you can have voice recognition and a regular remote. But imagine you got rid of the regular remote part , then you can design the remote to look any way you want it to look , because there are no restrictions onphysical size , or shape , it it could be as fancy as you want it to be , you know , it could be like a lollipop or something like that , something weird like that . Aslong as the voice recognition stuff works , that's that's fine .Project Manager: Okay , yep .Marketing: So we have the three birds , we have the design , that{vocalsound} we have the the fancy bit , right , the voice recognition's fancy , it's cool , it's different , it's radical , so , and then we have an extra bit I don'tremember {vocalsound} so I'm pretty sure people will buy the remote , but is it practical to have a voice recognition system in a remote control , I think is a bigquestion . Um , will people will people be willing to wait for the the period that it'll take to train the remote , 'cause I think it will the remote will uh get better overtime with the same user user , but for the first week or for the first two weeks are you willing to wait , are you willing to have a bad remote control .{vocalsound} And uh what if you have visitors come round , they stay the night , they wanna use the T_V_ , they can't use the remote because they speakdifferently to you . Um , how do you account for regional accents and stuff like that . Uh , will people return the remote control , {vocalsound} I think a lot ofyoung people will buy the remote control , if they have the money , you know , so ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm . If you could uhMarketing: do our audience havethe money , but would they return it after a while because it's not as fast as pressing a button , it's not a practical . So . These are things I think we shouldconsider .Project Manager: sorMarketing: I think it's cool ,Project Manager: if you could speed it up a bit , yeah . If you could uh speed it up a bit please , yeah.Marketing: I'm sorry ? Sure .Project Manager: Sorry .Marketing: I'm about to end , yeah .Project Manager: Cool .Marketing: I think it's cool but there aredefinitely some considerations .Project Manager: Okay . Excellent .Marketing: So , yeah .Project Manager: Right . Um . Hear from the {vocalsound} UserInterface Designer now I think might be an idea .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: Um , you've got your presentation now ,Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} How did {disfmarker} where did {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah , it's in the it's in the folderProject Manager: is it on the {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: where did you get all your in information {gap} ?User Interface: yeah .Project Manager: is it ? Okay .Marketing: There was uh a website , uh ,IndustrialDesigner: Oh .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Technical functions ?Marketing: right here .Industrial Designer: Ah , okay .User Interface: Mm .Project Manager:No . Yeah . Okay .User Interface: Okay , this is a {vocalsound} brief run through of the um of the technical functions of the remote . As um is uh the the thepresentation is uh already slightly obsolete because I {vocalsound} had in mind something that would uh be i be aimed at controlling multiple devices but uhthere's still stuff of relevance , soProject Manager: Okay .User Interface: press on . I've looked at {vocalsound} looked at a num {vocalsound} uh couple of otheruh remote control models just for an idea of basic design principles . Um and wasn't really satisfied by what I saw I have to say so this is more sort of springboardfor uh how these could be improved on . {vocalsound} Um um basically the job of the device is to send commands to an appliance , in this case the television set. Um to save you getting off your backside . Um and there's two main trends in th in the sort of design practice . On the one hand {disfmarker} and this uh thisparticularly relates to its sort of earliest models where with you know i so so many buttons on it so about the size of the television set . Um giving you everypossible function that the that the device has , the remote control controls . And most of these functions are not going to be used , it creates a rather userunfriendly interface . And on the other hand there's a user focused approach that pares things down to just what {vocalsound} what is most likely to get used .Um {vocalsound} With uh {disfmarker} a and a and of course there is a certain amount of sort of loss of function here obviously , but mostly that's relativelyperipheral functions . And so you go for something that's fairly intuitive to use , and um well f the for the most part for T_V_ remote it's uh tha that would bechannel control and volume . Um and if you {vocalsound} if you if you are wanting to incorporate uh control of a D_V_ {vocalsound} D_V_D_ or uh {vocalsound}V_C_R_ presumably into that then there's a play , pause , stop , rewind , fast-forward , record , so forth . Um . My own view is that we should definitely be goingfor a user focused design . Um but uh the pro {vocalsound} I think the problem with a lot of the sort of user focused designs that are about is that they sort of"}
{"doc_id":"doc_56","qid":"","text":"Professor D: OK .PhD A: Mike . Mike - one ?PhD B: Ah .Professor D: We 're on ? Yes , please . I mean , we 're testing noise robustness but let 's not get silly . OK ,so , uh , you 've got some , uh , Xerox things to pass out ?PhD A: Yeah ,Professor D: That are {disfmarker}PhD A: um .Professor D: Yeah .PhD A: Yeah . Yeah , I'm sorry for the table , but as it grows in size , uh , it .Professor D: Uh , so for th the last column we use our imagination . OK .PhD B: Ah , yeah .Professor D: Ah.PhD A: Uh , yeah .PhD B: Uh , do you want @ @ .Professor D: This one 's nice , though . This has nice big font .PhD A: Yeah .Grad C: Let 's see . Yeah . Chop!Professor D: Yeah .PhD A: SoProfessor D: When you get older you have these different perspectives . I mean , lowering the word hour rate is fine , but havingbig font !PhD A: Next time we will put colors or something .Professor D: That 's what 's {disfmarker}PhD A: Uh .Professor D: Yeah . It 's mostly big font . OK .PhDA: OK , s so there is kind of summary of what has been done {disfmarker}Professor D: Uh {disfmarker} Go ahead .PhD A: It 's this . Summary of experimentssince , well , since last weekProfessor D: Oh . OK .PhD A: and also since the {disfmarker} we 've started to run {disfmarker} work on this . Um . {pause} Sosince last week we 've started to fill the column with um {vocalsound} uh features w with nets trained on PLP with on - line normalization but with delta also ,because the column was not completely {disfmarker}Professor D: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . PhD A: well , it 's still not completely filled ,Professor D: PhD A: but{pause} we have more results to compare with network using without PLP and {pause} finally , hhh , {comment} um {pause} ehhh {comment} PL - uh deltaseems very important . Uh {pause} I don't know . If you take um , let 's say , anyway Aurora - two - B , so , the next {disfmarker} t the second , uh , part of thetable ,Professor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: uh {pause} when we use the large training set using French , Spanish , and English , you have one hundred and sixwithout delta and eighty - nine with the delta .Professor D: a And again all of these numbers are with a hundred percent being , uh , the baseline performance,PhD A: Yeah , on the baseline , yeah . So {disfmarker}Professor D: but with a mel cepstra system going straight into the HTK ?PhD A: Yeah . Yeah . So now wesee that the gap between the different training set is much {pause} uh uh much smallerProfessor D: Yes .PhD A: um {disfmarker}Grad C: It 's out of the way.PhD A: But , actually , um , for English training on TIMIT is still better than the other languages . And  Mmm , {pause} Yeah . And f also for Italian , actually . Ifyou take the second set of experiment for Italian , so , the mismatched condition ,Professor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: um {pause} when we use the training onTIMIT so , it 's multi - English , we have a ninety - one number ,Professor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: and training with other languages is a little bit worse .ProfessorD: Um {disfmarker} Oh , I see . Down near the bottom of this sheet .PhD A: So ,Professor D: Uh , {comment} {pause} yes .PhD A: yeah .Professor D: OK .PhDA: And , yeah , and here the gap is still more important between using delta and not using delta . If y if I take the training s the large training set , it 's{disfmarker} we have one hundred and seventy - two ,Professor D: Yes .PhD A: and one hundred and four when we use delta .Professor D: Yeah .PhD A: Uh .{pause} Even if the contexts used is quite the same ,Professor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: because without delta we use seventeenths {disfmarker} seventeen frames. Uh . Yeah , um , so the second point is that we have no single cross - language experiments , uh , that we did not have last week . Uh , so this is training the neton French only , or on English only , and testing on Italian .Professor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: And training the net on French only and Spanish only and testing on ,uh TI - digits .Professor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: And , fff {comment} um , yeah . What we see is that these nets are not as good , except for the multi - English ,which is always one of the best . Yeah , then we started to work on a large dat database containing , uh , sentences from the French , from the Spanish , from theTIMIT , from SPINE , uh from {comment} uh English digits , and from Italian digits . So this is the {disfmarker} another line {disfmarker} another set of lines inthe table . Uh , @ @ with SPINEProfessor D: Ah , yes . Mm - hmm .PhD A: and {pause} uh , actually we did this before knowing the result of all the data , uh , sowe have to to redo the uh {disfmarker} the experiment training the net with , uh PLP , but with delta . ButProfessor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: um this {disfmarker}this net performed quite well . Well , it 's {disfmarker} it 's better than the net using French , Spanish , and English only . Uh . So , uh , yeah . We have alsostarted feature combination experiments . Uh many experiments using features and net outputs together . And this is {disfmarker} The results are on the otherdocument . Uh , we can discuss this after , perhaps {disfmarker} well , just , @ @ . Yeah , so basically there are four {disfmarker} four kind of systems . The firstone , yeah , is combining , um , two feature streams , uh using {disfmarker} and each feature stream has its own MPL . So it 's the {disfmarker} kind of similarto the tandem that was proposed for the first . The multi - stream tandem for the first proposal . The second is using features and KLT transformed MLP outputs .And the third one is to u use a single KLT trans transform features as well as MLP outputs . Um , yeah . Mmm . You know you can {disfmarker} you can commentthese results ,PhD B: Yes , I can s I would like to say that , for example , um , mmm , if we doesn't use the delta - delta , uh we have an improve when we use ssome combination . But whenPhD A: Yeah , we ju just to be clear , the numbers here are uh recognition accuracy .PhD B: w Yeah , this {disfmarker} Yeah , thisnumber recognition accPhD A: So it 's not the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Again we switch to another {disfmarker}PhD B: Yes , and the baseline {disfmarker}the baseline have {disfmarker} i is eighty - two .Professor D: Baseline is eighty - two .PhD B: YeahPhD A: So it 's experiment only on the Italian mismatched forthe moment for this .Professor D: Uh , this is Italian mismatched .PhD A: Um .PhD B: Yeah , by the moment .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor D: OK .PhD B: Andfirst in the experiment - one I {disfmarker} I do {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I use different MLP ,Professor D: Mm - hmm .PhD B: and is obviously that the multi- English MLP is the better . Um . for the ne {disfmarker} rest of experiment I use multi - English , only multi - English . And I try to combine different type offeature , but the result is that the MSG - three feature doesn't work for the Italian database because never help to increase the accuracy .PhD A: Yeah , eh ,actually , if w we look at the table , the huge table , um , we see that for TI - digits MSG perform as well as the PLP ,Professor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: but this isnot the case for Italian what {disfmarker} where the error rate is c is almost uh twice the error rate of PLP .Professor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: So , um{vocalsound} uh , well , I don't think this is a bug but this {disfmarker} this is something in {disfmarker} probably in the MSG um process that uh I don't knowwhat exactly . Perhaps the fact that the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} there 's no low - pass filter , well , or no pre - emp pre - emphasis filter and that there issome DC offset in the Italian , or , well , something simple like that . But {disfmarker} that we need to sort out if want to uh get improvement by combining PLPand MSGProfessor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: because for the moment MSG do doesn't bring much information .Professor D: Mm - hmm .PhD A: And as Carmen said ,if we combine the two , we have the result , basically , of PLP .Professor D: I Um , the uh , baseline system {disfmarker} when you said the baseline system wasuh , uh eighty - two percent , that was trained on what and tested on what ? That was , uh Italian mismatched d uh , uh , digits , uh , is the testing ,PhD B: Yeah.Professor D: and the training is Italian digits ?PhD B: Yeah .Professor D: So the \" mismatch \" just refers to the noise and {disfmarker} and , uh microphone andso forth ,PhD A: Yeah .PhD B: Yeah .Professor D: right ? So , um did we have {disfmarker} So would that then correspond to the first line here of where thetraining is {disfmarker} is the uh Italian digits ?PhD B: The train the training of the HTK ?Professor D: The {disfmarker}PhD B: Yes . Ah yes !Professor D: Yes.PhD B: This h Yes . Th - Yes .Professor D: Yes . Training of the net ,PhD B: Yeah .Professor D: yeah . So , um {disfmarker} So what that says is that in amatched condition , {vocalsound} we end up with a fair amount worse putting in the uh PLP . Now w would {disfmarker} do we have a number , I suppose for thematched {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't mean matched , but uh use of Italian {disfmarker} training in Italian digits for PLP only ?PhD B: Uh {pause} yes?PhD A: Uh {pause} yeah , so this is {disfmarker} basically this is in the table . Uh {pause} so the number is fifty - two ,PhD B: Another table .PhD A: uh{disfmarker}Professor D: Fifty - two percent .PhD A: Fift - So {disfmarker} No , it 's {disfmarker} it 's the {disfmarker}PhD B: No .Professor D: No , fifty - twopercent of eighty - two ?PhD A: Of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} of uh {pause} eighteen {disfmarker}PhD B: Eighty .PhD A: of eighteen .PhD B: Eighty .PhD A:So it 's {disfmarker} it 's error rate , basically .PhD B: It 's plus six .PhD A: It 's er error rate ratio . So {disfmarker} Professor D: Oh this is accuracy ! PhD A: Uh ,so we have nine {disfmarker} nine {disfmarker} let 's say ninety percent .PhD B: Yeah .Professor D: Oy ! {comment} OK . Ninety .PhD A: Yeah . Um {comment}which is uh {comment} what we have also if use PLP and MSG together ,Professor D: Yeah .PhD A: eighty - nine point seven .Professor D: OK , so even just PLP ,uh , it is not , in the matched condition {disfmarker} Um I wonder if it 's a difference between PLP and mel cepstra , or whether it 's that the net half , for somereason , is not helping .PhD A: Uh . P - PLP and Mel cepstra give the same {disfmarker} same results .Professor D: Same result pretty much ?PhD A: Well , wehave these results . I don't know . It 's not {disfmarker} Do you have this result with PLP alone , {comment} j fee feeding HTK ?Professor D: So , sPhD A: That{disfmarker} That 's what you mean ?PhD B: Yeah ,PhD A: Just PLP at the input of HTK .PhD B: yeah yeah yeah yeah , at the first {disfmarker} and the{disfmarker} Yeah .PhD A: Yeah . So , PLP {disfmarker}Professor D: Eighty - eight point six .PhD A: Yeah .Professor D: Um , so adding MSGPhD A: Um{disfmarker}Professor D: um {disfmarker} Well , but that 's {disfmarker} yeah , that 's without the neural net ,PhD A: Yeah , that 's without the neuralnetProfessor D: right ?PhD A: and that 's the result basically that OGI has also with the MFCC with on - line normalization .Professor D: But she had said eighty -two .PhD A: This is the {disfmarker} w well , but this is without on - line normalization .Professor D: Right ? Oh , this {disfmarker} the eighty - two .PhD A: Yeah.PhD B: PhD A: Eighty - two is the {disfmarker} it 's the Aurora baseline , so MFCC . Then we can use {disfmarker} well , OGI , they use MFCC {disfmarker} th"}
{"doc_id":"doc_57","qid":"","text":"Professor B: I think for two years we were two months , uh , away from being done .PhD A: And what was that , Morgan ? What project ?Professor B: Uh , the ,uh , TORRENT chip .PhD A: Oh .Professor B: Yeah . We were two {disfmarker} we were {disfmarker}PhD C: Yeah .Professor B: Uh , uh , we went through it{disfmarker} Jim and I went through old emails at one point and {disfmarker} and for two years there was this thing saying , yeah , we 're {disfmarker} we 'retwo months away from being done . It was very {disfmarker} very believable schedules , too . I mean , we went through and {disfmarker} with the schedules{disfmarker} and we {disfmarker}PhD A: It was true for two years .Professor B: Yeah . Oh , yeah . It was very true .PhD A: So , should we just do the same kindof deal where we {pause} go around and do , uh , status report {pause} kind of things ? OK . And I guess when Sunil gets here he can do his last or something .So .Professor B: Yeah . So we {pause} probably should wait for him to come before we do his .PhD C: Mm - hmm .PhD A: OK . That 's a good idea .Professor B:Yeah .Grad F: OK .Professor B: Yeah .PhD A: Any objection ? Do y OK , MProfessor B: All in favorPhD A: Do you want to start , Morgan ? Do you have anything ,or {disfmarker} ?Professor B: Uh , I don't do anything . I {disfmarker} No , I mean , I {disfmarker} I 'm involved in discussions with {disfmarker} with peopleabout what they 're doing , but I think they 're {disfmarker} since they 're here , they can talk about it themselves .Grad F: OK . So should I go so that , uh ,PhDA: Yeah . Why don't you go ahead , Barry ?Grad F: you 're gonna talk about Aurora stuff , per se ?PhD A: OK .Grad F: OK . Um . Well , this past week I 've justbeen , uh , getting down and dirty into writing my {disfmarker} my proposal . So , um {disfmarker} Mmm . I just finished a section on , uh {disfmarker} ontalking about these intermediate categories that I want to classify , um , as a {disfmarker} as a middle step . And , um , I hope to {disfmarker} hope to get this ,um {disfmarker} a full rough draft done by , uh , Monday so I can give it to Morgan .PhD A: When is your , uh , meeting ?Grad F: Um , my meetingPhD A: Yeah.Grad F: with , uh {disfmarker} ? Oh , oh , you mean the {disfmarker} the quals .PhD A: The quals . Yeah .Grad F: Uh , the quals are happening in July twenty -fifth .PhD A: Oh . Soon .Grad F: Yeah .PhD A: Uh - huh .Grad F: D - Day .PhD A: Yeah .Grad F: Uh - huh .PhD A: So , is the idea you 're going to do this paperand then you pass it out to everybody ahead of time and {disfmarker} ?Grad F: Right , right . So , y you write up a proposal , and give it to people ahead of time, and you have a short presentation . And , um , and then , um {disfmarker} then everybody asks you questions .PhD A: Hmm .Grad F: Yeah .PhD A: I remembernow .Grad F: Yep . So , um .PhD A: Have you d ? I was just gonna ask , do you want to say any {disfmarker} a little bit about it ,Grad F: Y sPhD A: or{disfmarker} ? Mmm .Grad F: Oh . Uh , a little bit about {disfmarker} ?PhD A: Wh - what you 're {disfmarker} what you 're gonna {disfmarker} You said{disfmarker} you were talking about the , uh , particular features that you were looking at ,Grad F: Oh , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker}PhD A: or{disfmarker}Grad F: Right . Well , I was , um , I think one of the perplexing problems is , um , for a while I was thinking that I had to come up with a completeset of intermediate features {disfmarker} in intermediate categories to {disfmarker} to classify right away . But what I 'm thinking now is , I would start with{disfmarker} with a reasonable set . Something {disfmarker} something like , um , um {disfmarker} like , uh , re regular phonetic features , just to {disfmarker}just to start off that way . And do some phone recognition . Um , build a system that , uh , classifies these , um {disfmarker} these feat uh , these intermediatecategories using , uh , multi - band techniques . Combine them and do phon phoneme recognition . Look at {disfmarker} then I would look at the errors producedin the phoneme recognition and say , OK , well , I could probably reduce the errors if I included this extra feature or this extra intermediate category . That would{disfmarker} that would reduce certain confusions over other confusions . And then {disfmarker} and then {vocalsound} reiterate . Um , build the intermediateclassifiers . Uh , do phoneme recognition . Look at the errors . And then postulate new {disfmarker} or remove , um , intermediate categories . And then do itagain .PhD A: So you 're gonna use TIMIT ?Grad F: Um , for that {disfmarker} for that part of the {disfmarker} the process , yeah , I would use TIMIT .PhD A:Mm - hmm .Grad F: And , um , then {disfmarker} after {disfmarker} after , uh , um , doing TIMIT . Right ?PhD A: Mm - hmm .Grad F: Um , that 's {disfmarker}{vocalsound} that 's , um {disfmarker} that 's just the ph the phone recognition task .PhD A: Yeah .Grad F: Uh , I wanted to take a look at , um , things that Icould model within word . So , I would mov I would then shift the focus to , um , something like Schw - Switchboard , uh , where I 'd {disfmarker} I would beable to , um {disfmarker} to model , um , intermediate categories that span across phonemes ,PhD A: Mm - hmm .Grad F: not just within the phonemes ,themselves , um , and then do the same process there , um , on {disfmarker} on a large vocabulary task like Switchboard . Uh , and for that {disfmarker} forthat part I would {disfmarker} I 'd use the SRI recognizer since it 's already set up for {disfmarker} for Switchboard . And I 'd run some {disfmarker} some sortof tandem - style processing with , uh , my intermediate classifiers .PhD A: Oh . So that 's why you were interested in getting your own features into the SRI files.Grad F: Yeah . That 's why I {disfmarker} I was asking about that .PhD A: Yeah . Yeah .Grad F: Yeah . Um , and I guess that 's {disfmarker} that 's it . Any{disfmarker} any questions ?PhD A: Sounds good . So you just have a few more weeks , huh ?Grad F: Um , yeah . A few more .PhD A: It 's about a month fromnow ?Grad F: It 's a {disfmarker} it 's a month and {disfmarker} and a week .PhD A: Yeah .Grad F: Yeah .PhD A: So , uh , you want to go next , Dave ? And we'll do {disfmarker}Grad E: Oh . OK , sure . So , um , last week I finally got results from the SRI system about this mean subtraction approach . And , um , we{disfmarker} we got an improvement , uh , in word error rate , training on the TI - digits data set and testing on Meeting Recorder digits of , um , {vocalsound}six percent to four point five percent , um , on the n on the far - mike data using PZM F , but , um , the near - mike performance worsened , um , from one pointtwo percent to two point four percent . And , um , wh why would that be , um , {vocalsound} considering that we actually got an improvement in near - mikeperformance using HTK ? And so , uh , with some input from , uh , Andreas , I have a theory in two parts . Um , first of all HTK {disfmarker} sorry , SR - the SRIsystem is doing channel adaptation , and so HTK wasn't . Um , so this , um {disfmarker} This mean subtraction approach will do a kind of channel {pause}normalization and so that might have given the HTK use of it a boost that wouldn't have been applied in the SRI case . And also , um , the {disfmarker} Andreaspointed out the SRI system is using more parameters . It 's got finer - grained acoustic models . So those finer - grained acoustic models could be more sensitiveto the artifacts {pause} in the re - synthesized audio . Um . And me and Barry were listening to the re - synthesized audio and sometimes it seems like you get ofa bit of an echo of speech in the background . And so that seems like it could be difficult for training , cuz you could have {pause} different phones {pause} linedup with a different foreground phone , {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} depending on {pause} the timing of the echo . So , um , I 'm gonna try training on alarger data set , and then , eh , the system will have seen more examples o of these artifacts and hopefully will be more robust to them . So I 'm planning to usethe Macrophone set of , um , read speech , and , um {disfmarker} Hmm .Professor B: I had another thought just now , which is , uh , remember we were talkingbefore about {disfmarker} we were talking in our meeting about , uh , this stuff that {disfmarker} some of the other stuff that Avendano did , where they were ,um , getting rid of low - energy {pause} sections ? Um , uh , if you {disfmarker} if you did a high - pass filtering , as Hirsch did in {pause} late eighties to reducesome of the effects of reverberation , uh , uh , Avendano and Hermansky were arguing that , uh , perhaps one of the reasons for that working was ma may nothave even been the filtering so much but the fact that when you filter a {disfmarker} an all - positive power spectrum you get some negative values , and yougotta figure out what to do with them if you 're gonna continue treating this as a power spectrum . So , what {disfmarker} what Hirsch did was , uh , set them tozero {disfmarker} set the negative values to zero . So if you imagine a {disfmarker} a waveform that 's all positive , which is the time trajectory of energy , um ,and , uh , shifting it downwards , and then getting rid of the negative parts , that 's essentially throwing away the low - energy things . And it 's the low - energyparts of the speech where the reverberation is most audible . You know , you have the reverberation from higher - energy things showing up in {disfmarker} Soin this case you have some artificially imposed {pause} reverberation - like thing . I mean , you 're getting rid of some of the other effects of reverberation , butbecause you have these non - causal windows , you 're getting these funny things coming in , uh , at n And , um , what if you did {disfmarker} ? I mean , there 'snothing to say that the {disfmarker} the processing for this re - synthesis has to be restricted to trying to get it back to the original , according to some equation .I mean , you also could , uh , just try to make it nicer .Grad E: Uh - huh .Professor B: And one of the things you could do is , you could do some sort of VAD - likethingGrad E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: and you actually could take very low - energy sections and set them to some {disfmarker} some , uh , very low or{disfmarker} or near zero {pause} value . I mean , uh , I 'm just saying if in fact it turns out that {disfmarker} that these echoes that you 're hearing are , uh{disfmarker}Grad E: Uh - huh .Professor B: or pre - echoes , whichever they are {disfmarker} are {disfmarker} are , uh , part of what 's causing the problem ,you actually could get rid of them .Grad E: Uh - huh .Professor B: Be pretty simple . I mean , you do it in a pretty conservative wayGrad E: OK .Professor B: sothat if you made a mistake you were more likely to {pause} keep in an echo than to throw out speech .Grad E: Hmm .PhD G: Um , what is the reverberation time{pause} like {pause} there ?Grad E: In thi in this room ? Uh {disfmarker}PhD G: On , uh , the {disfmarker} the one what {disfmarker} the s in the speech thatyou are {disfmarker} you are using like ?Grad E: Y Yeah . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I don't know .Professor B: So , it 's this room .PhD G: It's , uh {disfmarker}Professor B: It 's {disfmarker} it 's this room .PhD G: Oh , this room ?Professor B: So {disfmarker}PhD G: OK .Professor B: so it 's"}
{"doc_id":"doc_58","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: So is {disfmarker} Why not save that .Marketing: No , you'll ha have to open it up from elsewhere .Project Manager: {gap} {disfmarker} Doyou want to replace existing file , no . {vocalsound} I actually tried to transfer it to My Documents , but {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah , you have to you have toclose that window . 'Cause that's the save one isn't it , so {disfmarker} And then find it .Project Manager: {gap} spreadsheet .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Yeah , but I've ta uhMarketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: right , I'll just re-do it . That's the easiest way . {vocalsound}{vocalsound} Right .User Interface: Well we've made our prototype anyway . We can have a good look at that . {vocalsound}Marketing: You pass it round tohave a look .User Interface: {vocalsound} Mm-hmm . Y no , it's a slightly curved around the sides . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Mm very nice .UserInterface: Um , it's almost curved like up to the main display as well . And the little line at the bottom indicates the bit {disfmarker} the panel that you pull down.Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: And the extra function buttons are below that panel on the little line .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: And we've gotthe stick on the button with the company logo on .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: We also have a apple slash cherry design at the top .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} So it is , yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound}Marketing: Cherry would be alright actually .UserInterface: Yeah ,Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: it's a bit more fun , isn't it ? And it's kinda not really at a kind of {disfmarker} you think apple , you thinkcomputers , like Apple Mac .Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah , we might get a {disfmarker}Marketing: Mm-hmm . Copyright , yeah . What's this this one ?UserInterface: Yeah , and cherries are fun , summery .Marketing: What's that one there ?User Interface: Ah , that's the mute .Industrial Designer: For the M_ .{vocalsound}Marketing: Oh , okay . Right .User Interface: {gap} {vocalsound} It {disfmarker} it'd probably have to be labelled mute .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: They're thinking {disfmarker}User Interface: But um , we didn't have anything small enough to write .Marketing: Uh-huh.Industrial Designer: For the first time , well it was hard to get the h um the actual labelling on the individual buttons .Marketing: Okay . Mm-hmm .{vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah . Uh , we just chose simple shapes for all them .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Um , the important ones are thevolume ones . So we made them a bit bigger . The mute could possibly be a bit smaller .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Hum , you separate off incolour the volume related buttons from the channel related buttons , so you've got the volume in orange on design there ,User Interface: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: and the the channel is in blue .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: R right . Um ,User Interface: Yeah, and we chose a V_ plus and V_ minus .Project Manager: all these things have cost implications . And so when I done my thing on cost {vocalsound} a{disfmarker} I had assumed that the only uh button that would be a different colour would be the uh the red apple button . So {disfmarker} However , I've now{gap} . {vocalsound} But um , {vocalsound} yeah so uh but there would be a cost implication on that ,Marketing: I'll see if I can find them .Project Manager: anduh {disfmarker} as I suppose that {vocalsound} so whether {vocalsound} wanted to put in all these colours , would be uh open to debate , I suppose .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah , sisUser Interface: Well the colours wouldn't {disfmarker} like that's {disfmarker} they wouldn't be too important ,Marketing: Have{disfmarker}User Interface: but we didn't have any white Play-Doh . {vocalsound} So that's where the colour buttons came from . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} An important consideration .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Right , okay so um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Andthe second one underneath would be the idea for the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yes , we'll have the slide-away .Project Manager: Right , okay . So we'vegot um detail design meeting .Industrial Designer: Bottom .Project Manager: Right . So {disfmarker} So , we've got {vocalsound} prototype presentation , whichwe've just done , evaluation criteria , um and finance , so I guess w we have to evaluate if that meets the various uh aspects that we're looking for uh from umour previous meeting .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So other than the fact that it doesn't have the second layer , but umobviously obviously it would .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} But other thanthat , we got the red apple . We got the buttons and the only thing that has really changed is the is the colouration of the buttons ,Industrial Designer: Yes , yes.Project Manager: and {vocalsound} the bit after the evaluation criteria is uh is the finance . {vocalsound} And the {vocalsound} and the cost implication.Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing: Right .Project Manager: The only snag about this is that uh {vocalsound} the cost is probably kind of important . So um ,and then the production evaluation , as to how easy that would be to uh to manufacture .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Um , and whether itwould uh {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} So if you had to do a presentation or {disfmarker} will you just work it on the prototype ?IndustrialDesigner: This this is a {disfmarker}User Interface: Uh , that's it . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: yes , this is our presentation of the prototype .Marketing:That's the prProject Manager: Right , so uh as far as the the finance of it would be concern would be to make sure that the cost {disfmarker} aye the productioncost 'cause you may remember that was one of the first uh considerations was to be in d under um uh twelve fifty or two and a half {disfmarker} uh twelve and ahalf Euros .Marketing: Okay .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So , there's no redesign . So that should uh {disfmarker} Right , so , seems to methat the thing that I have to do is is quickly find that uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Could we get this on the board just so we can see {disfmarker} or doyou mean do you have the figures there ?Marketing: {gap} we should {gap} plug it in .Project Manager: Right .Marketing: Do you wanna plu do you wanna plugit in into the the back of that one .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: 'Kay , Alice . So , shMarketing: We could do it as we d go along , the productioncosts , looking at the prototype .Project Manager: Right . {gap} .Industrial Designer: 'Kay this should be then .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay , so , by thefact that we've got uh the simple chip and the uh kinetic energy source , we've got a single curved case . We've got a rubber uh case materials supplements . So ,we had decided that we're having rubber buttons and {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Have a push button interface .Project Manager:Okay . W the button supplements .Industrial Designer: Um {disfmarker}Project Manager: Well , originally , I thought there would just be uh one in there becauseit was the one red apple . But {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Um {disfmarker}Project Manager: So the so the real w the real question then would come in . Doyou make all the buttons {disfmarker}Marketing: Well do we'll do it on the prototype ,Project Manager: OMarketing: so do two , see how much it is .ProjectManager: Well , so we've got one special button form , which was the apple . Everything else is gonna be a standard .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah.Project Manager: We've got special material , rubber , wood , titanium , et cetera and that ,Industrial Designer: And then we'd have {disfmarker}ProjectManager: so , I was {disfmarker} {vocalsound} originally , I was thinking {gap} rubber wasn't special ,Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: but according tothis , maybe it is .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: {vocalsound} So {disfmarker} And the r I mean effectively we've got sixteen buttons that we're gonnahave on there .Marketing: Yeah . I think you just do one , don't you , for the {disfmarker}Project Manager: W {vocalsound} I don't know {vocalsound} is{vocalsound} is {vocalsound} is the sort of answer , is that meant to be all sixteen buttons , and therefore {disfmarker} I mean , what's the op The option wasmaybe not to have rubber buttons , but just to have the one that was soft and spongy , and therefore {disfmarker}Marketing: I think I think it's just it's just aone . Else {disfmarker}Project Manager: Whereas it would be {disfmarker} the special colour would be for the {disfmarker} So you would only have the onespecial button that was rubber , whereas the rest would be hard plastic . {vocalsound}Marketing: I thi I think I think the button supplement i is just a supplementfor all the buttons {gap} made in a different material , rather than per button .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: I don't know though .Project Manager: I would{vocalsound} {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Every design change is uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} sound] I dunno ,Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: um{disfmarker} {vocalsound} Okay , um , if we just had all the buttons as standard , except for the one red apple , then that would take care of that , I guess .We'd have one special colour and one special button form .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: And when I plugged that in last time {disfmarker} {gap}remember it has to be under twelve and a half . As far as I know , that um {vocalsound} that took care of the uh of the various supplements .Marketing:Mm-hmm .Project Manager: And if {disfmarker} What happened ?Marketing: You've just gone off the window into another one . It's on the bottom row .UserInterface: Maybe if you just minimise that one in the top right-hand corner of the little box .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah .ProjectManager: Now , right . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay , so , but the point would be that if we uh if we just did special{disfmarker} Sorry , you were saying that it would be that one , that you would put in one there .Marketing: Yeah . Yeah .Project Manager: Okay .IndustrialDesigner: So that's nine point one there so we've got some {disfmarker}Project Manager: So it {disfmarker} Well , is it s is {disfmarker} no , it's nine pointseven I've got .Industrial Designer: 'Kay .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Just give us a bit of {disfmarker}Project Manager:So , that would {vocalsound} that would work out fine if uh uh as assuming your correction are are {vocalsound} {disfmarker} assuming that that one changecovers all the buttons , then that would be fine .Marketing: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .Project Manager: And there's nothing else as far as I can see that we we had uhplanned to put on {gap} .User Interface: SMarketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I {gap} switching around those th um on the electronics we got the"}
{"doc_id":"doc_59","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Mm yeah .Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound} I g yeah . Time is it ?Marketing: {vocalsound} Fourteen twentysix .Project Manager: Okay . Lovely to see you all again . Um {vocalsound} it's our conceptual design meeting and it's starting at approximately fourteen twentyfive and so we have forty minutes for this one again and so we'll go just after three o'clock . Um okay {vocalsound} our agenda , we're gonna do an opening , I'mgonna review the minutes of the last meeting , then we'll have your three presentations um and then we'll have to make a decision on the remote controlconcepts , and finally we'll close . SoIndustrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: opening . Um these are our minutes from r the functional design . We decidedour target group is the focus on who can afford it , because we have international appeal and we said it's for all age groups , different um functions of it . Ourmain objectives were simplicity and fashion . {vocalsound} And s um in specific functions are something to keep the remote from getting lost , large buttons forthe essential functions , a possibility for extra functions , like a sliding a sliding piece {vocalsound} and a long-life battery or a charging station . Okay , now threepresentations . I'd like to do it in this order , first do the conceptual specification of components , properties and materials {vocalsound} um and then theconceptual specification of user interface {vocalsound} and finally trend watching .Industrial Designer: That would be me .User Interface: Yep .IndustrialDesigner: Alright . Well .Project Manager: Mm . 'kay . Function F_ eight it . There we go .Industrial Designer: Alright . Um I'm very excited by this one actuallyguys I uh had a lot of fun doing it . Components design . This is where you look at what does it take to make a remote control and what should we make ourspecific remote control out of . {vocalsound} Um . So , we need to examine each element separately , but we're designing a full thing , so you wanna keep itintegrated as a whole . The main elements of remote controls in general , and therefore ours as well , are the case , the buttons , the circuit board with the chipand the battery . These are all things that we had sort of addressed before , but I'm gonna take each one a little bit separately here as we figure out what theyshould be made of and what they should look like . The case , uh the options that I've gotten from headquarters about what we can do , um there's there's theshape of a case , we could do a flat sh a flat case , a curved case or maybe even a double double-curved case . I haven't seen any pictures of what this exactlylooks like yet , just keep that in mind , but these are the options that we have from manufacturing and we can make our case out of plastic , the m the main basewill be plastic , but we have all these sort of fashion and technological elements we can add in , wood , latex , titanium , rubber or other coloured types of plastic .That would be our case . Um buttons , for buttons we have um pushbuttons , which is what Real Reaction uses the most often , but we also have scror scrollwheels ,Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: which can have integrated pushbuttons , or we could go all high-tech and have an L_ L_C_D_ screen .{vocalsound} Um circuit board and chip we can have a simple one , a regular one or an advanced one , depending on what our other needs are . And then batteryI think is where things get most exciting . We're talking about long-life batteries here . {vocalsound} Um we can we can have your sort of basic double A_batteries , but we also have these options of um {vocalsound} using a kinetic battery , like are used in high-tech watches , where you just have to move it a littlebit to get it to power up . Um so simple movements like pushing buttons would recharge the battery . Or a solar battery , although there are slight um{vocalsound} complications with solar batteries as in we can't use a latex case if we have a solar battery .Project Manager: Hmm .Industrial Designer: Or umsomething they only described as the type of battery you find in torches from about fifty years ago , flashlights . Not quite sure what that is , but that's thedescription that I received , so that's what I'm passing on to you . {vocalsound} So those are our options . Um personal preferences that I was thinking through{disfmarker} here's what we've been talking about all through , fashion and simplicity . So if we're going for fashion in our cases , I think that what we're gonnawanna look at is a curved or a double-curved case , probably with a variety of design elements . Maybe titanium , maybe some wood . We're gonna have toinvestigate that better when I get specifics of the actual materials , but that's sort of what I have in mind . And we wanna go for simplicity . Probably pushbuttons, but I'm sort of intrigued by the idea of a scroll scroll wheel , if anyone has anythingProject Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: any ideas on that ? I mean I knowthe iPods and things right now have touch scroll um buttons which are exactly like what they're describing , so that might be something we wanna look into . AndI'm really intrigued by the idea of a kinetic battery . {vocalsound} Solar I don't think would be such a good idea , because how often are you sure that yourremote control will get a certain amount of light .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: But this idea of the kinetic , that you don't have to replace ,and that a simple just shaking it around will make it work , I think that that m would be a very interesting thing . But I think we'd also wanna go for e a simplechip or regular chip to keep our costs down . Uh we really only need a regular or advanced chip t if we're gonna start using an L_C_D_ . So I think we want to beaware of not making things overly t technological if they don't need to be , 'cause that'll keep our manufacturing price way down . That's what I have for options .Um I'd appreciate anyone's input , but that's what I'm seeing for the future of the the look of this thing . {vocalsound}Marketing: Is double-curved like{disfmarker} would be like two hands kind of thing ?Industrial Designer: I'm not sure . I haven't received any specificMarketing: {vocalsound} Okay .IndustrialDesigner: visuals of this yet .Marketing: 'Cause I'm imagining like double-curved is like , you know , like two sides that curveIndustrial Designer: This is what I'msort of {disfmarker}Marketing: and then like one curve would just be like a single vertical-ish kind of looking thing ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah . I'mnot sure ,Marketing: but I've no idea .Industrial Designer: but I'll let you know as soon as I get any pictures .Marketing: Sounds good .Project Manager: Yeah , Iwonder {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: I know if we do have a double-curved case , it can't have any titanium in it . But the titanium , they were quite{disfmarker} they're marketing quite hard to us as being used in the space programme , so that could be quite interesting .User Interface: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Space-age remote .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Just an interesting marketing kind of element .IndustrialDesigner: Just all things to keep in mind . Yeah . {vocalsound} That's about all I have to do , guys . I hope I didn't go through that too quickly .Project Manager:Uh just a real quick question um the weight of these different elements , have you {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah , nProject Manager: no idea , okay.Industrial Designer: no idea , no idea . Um I'm assuming that a kinetic battery isn't gonna take up that much weight ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .IndustrialDesigner: and that a tita titanium is very light , I know ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: um but other than {disfmarker}Project Manager:{gap}Industrial Designer: that's really basic , I mean , that's all I have gotten so far . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Alright ? Anyother questions ?User Interface: Uh-huh . Don't think so .Industrial Designer: No ? Okay .Project Manager: Mm 'kay .Industrial Designer: I have save this in theuh shared projects , if anyone wants to lookProject Manager: Thank you , perfect .Industrial Designer: and I have c considerable notes on the topic as well , ifanyone needs any more information . Uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Thanks .Project Manager: Um if you made notes yourself you can put those on our um{disfmarker} underneath our {disfmarker} oh , uh in your book ,Industrial Designer: Just in my notebook ,Project Manager: then don't worry about that.Industrial Designer: but if anyone has any specific questions , don't hesitate to email me or something . Alright ? Uh I guess I can {disfmarker}Project Manager:'Kay now we're um concepts concepts of user interface . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah , um . This one's so much tighter than theother one .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I know .Project Manager: Okay . Nope . There we go . Here you are .User Interface: Jess .Industrial Designer: G oh, geez .User Interface: Alright , so I'm gonna describe the the concept of the user interface of this des device . Um we've talked about uh the two essentialproperties of the user interface . We want it to be simple and we want it to be fashionable . Um other {disfmarker} we've also got to remember that this is adevice that serves as a useful purpose . Uh we want people to be able to use it s as a remote control , so we need to determine what the essential functions of thed of the device are and make sure that we include {disfmarker} that we've included all of those and that we actually end up with a device that is going to beuseful to people . We have a number of different choices for a design concept um and s that's that's something that that I'll show you some examples of um , butessentially we need to choose how how is this device going to work ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: how how {disfmarker} what kind of modelis there going to be for user interaction with this device . Uh once we've chosen a a concept for it , we can then design the features around the concept , makingsure that we get all the essential functions in the device and uh the extra functions and the more advanced features . And of course we also have to make it lookcool .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: So basically ,Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: that's what we don't want . {vocalsound} M we don'twant lots of buttons , uh complicated features . We want something that looks nice and simple .Industrial Designer: Hmm .User Interface: Here's a a fairly simpledevice . This is an an iPod from Apple . Um I think the main thing to notice about it is it just has four buttons . It's very minimalistic in its design . Uh you usethese four buttons to m to move around a range of settings on the small L_C_D_ screen . Um {vocalsound} the thing I like about this is that it's very very quickto access the main features . Uh you can just about make out uh that the button {disfmarker} three buttons are uh previous track , next track and play pause .They're the main the main features of the iPod , the things you will use a all the time . Um then if you want to do anything more advanced , you go into the littlemenu on the L_C_D_ screen and you use the buttons just to scroll around and and find the more advanced features that you want . So I think that's that's a good"}
{"doc_id":"doc_60","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . Good morning everybody .Industrial Designer: Good morning .Project Manager: Oh , everybody is not ready .UserInterface: Uh almost .Project Manager: Alright .User Interface: Ready .Project Manager: Okay , let's go . So , we're here today to to have our first kick-offmeeting about uh this new project we're going to tak to talk about in a few minutes . Um so I will be uh Sebastian the Project Manager . Um you are the{disfmarker}User Interface: I'm uh Michael . I'm the user interface designer .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Hi I'm Guillermo {gap} . I'm the MarketingExpert .Industrial Designer: And I am Hemant , the industrial designer .Project Manager: Okay , very good . Thanks for being here . Um so let's have a look to thethe agenda . So , we are going to go through this agenda uh and mainly first to uh {vocalsound} to make {disfmarker} to to be used to the tools uh available inthis nice and smart meeting room we have here . Um then we'll go to uh the plans for project and have general discussions about it . So , the goal of this projectis to uh developed a new remote control . Um it should be original , trendy , and also user friendly . As usual we will follow the the project method um{vocalsound} that we are using in the {disfmarker} in our company . It is in three step as you know . First the functional design . The second's a conceptualdesign , and then the detailed design . During each step uh of each design we wi you will work uh s separately , individually on uh your specific tasks and will mwe will meet to um to discuss and take decisions about uh what you've you've you did and what uh we will do next . So first , we have to to train ourself with allthe um the tools availables in the in this nice meeting room and uh particularly the the white board so uh we are going to go through the white board and takesome um s some notes or do some drawings . So who want to start ? Mister {gap} .User Interface: Ah well if no one else wants to , yeah . Okay so , want me todraw my favourite animal .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Let's see . Well , I don't really have a favourite animal , but umProjectManager: You have one in mind ?User Interface: uh I think I have one in mind , so uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I'm gonna {vocalsound} {gap} about the uhspider because you can actually draw it pretty well in the corner of a white board . The spider has a {disfmarker} spider lives in a web {vocalsound} and uh it haseight legs , and uh it can move all about the web in two dimensions . Unless it's a three dimensional web which y they have sometimes . There are some spidersthat live in like {disfmarker} that have like uh kind of a a big ball of a of a web . And uh the other thing is some spiders can actually uh fly like uh they have uhthey let out like uh a stream of like the web building material but it's it acts like a parachute so they can actually kind of go and find new uh {disfmarker} build anew web somewhere else . So I think they did this in uh in Charlotte's Web that movie that little uh {disfmarker} well it's actually a book first but uh um at theend all the the spiders kinda flew away .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: So , that's my animal .Project Manager: Th thank you . Very interesting .{vocalsound} Guillermo you want to ?Marketing: {vocalsound} 'kay {vocalsound} I dunno why , but {vocalsound} when I was a child I I wanted to be a apantherProject Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} not a pink panther ,Industrial Designer: But don't you think it's very difficult to draw a panther?Marketing: or maybe yes .Project Manager: {vocalsound} It would be very funny for us .Marketing: Uh yeah yeah .Industrial Designer: So bad I don't like it .{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay it's a friendly panther .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Maybe it's happy 'cause it just ate someone .Marketing: Yeah maybe {vocalsound} .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Um . Actually , honestly I I I dunno what's what's his it's be behaviour , I dunno if if it's the male who who hunts or it's thefemale uh , I I I have watched that lions di didn't hunt it's the the female lions who who hunt , so {disfmarker} but {vocalsound} I like it because it's fast , andit's black as well , so it can he {disfmarker} it can hide itself very easily and it's it's {disfmarker} it looks like um {vocalsound} powerful , strong , uh I dunno . I Iwatch a a film about a black panther when I was a child and {vocalsound} I was in that age when everything was shocking me a lot . {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . Thank you .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Hemant .Industrial Designer: Um sure .Project Manager:{vocalsound}User Interface: So you don't like pink panthers ? {vocalsound}Marketing: I like it {vocalsound} .Project Manager: {gap} {gap}Industrial Designer:Oh yeah . Thanks . This lapel is coming out once in a while . It's not very strong . Okay . So , not the favourite animal , but I think I'll draw elephant .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'll try to draw elephant {vocalsound} . It's a problem . Okay , thanks . Okay so , elephant goes like this , {gap} andthen it has four feet {vocalsound} . I don't know whether there's any dist there should be any distance or not , but I think this is the easiest . And then we haveit's trunk . And yep something like this {vocalsound} .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: An eye , cute {vocalsound} .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah , so {disfmarker}Project Manager: Poor elephant {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} and sometimes theyhave a hump . It seems that uh elephants are pretty friendly and they they have one very important way {disfmarker} a different way of walking . So when theywalk , wherever they are going to put their first feet , the second feet will always be . When they'll come to that position the second , the third feet will be there .That's the way they walk . And that's very peculiar about them . None of the other animals walk like this . And they are very useful to human beings . At least fewfew hundred years ago when there was no means of transportations or something , or when they had to carry huge um loads from one place to another ,elephants were very useful . And they are found in um usually the warm countries . And um they are the biggest terrestrial animal . That's what I know aboutthem . So , that's what I wanted to tell about elephants .User Interface: So is this uh an Indian or an African elephant , 'cause you haven't drawn the ears?Industrial Designer: There are two kind of uh yeah , they are very different , Indian and African elephants . So Indian elephant is having one bump , I think , andthe African have two . And then there's a difference in the trunk of the animals , these elephants who are Indian and {disfmarker} So at some {disfmarker} forsome elephants it's {disfmarker} the trunk is having one {disfmarker} Do we have some message there ?Project Manager: Yes . We have to {disfmarker} I haveto catch you ,Industrial Designer: Wind upProject Manager: sorry . We have to to go through the meeting .Industrial Designer: ? Okay , some other time .UserInterface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Thank you .Project Manager: Thank you {vocalsound} .User Interface: We can discuss that off-line .Project Manager: Yeahwe'll discuss a f a fly or do {disfmarker} we'll do another meeting abo on elephants .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Thanks .Project Manager: {vocalsound}So {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: so another important part of the project is about money , uh and about {disfmarker} so aboutfinances . So {vocalsound} we should target selling price of twenty-five Euro for this remote control and uh we have um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} which whichwould generate a profit of of um {vocalsound} fifty million Euros , okay . And we should target the inter an international market .User Interface: So could I justask one question , um is this a stand-alone unit that we're gonna be selling ? So it's gonna be you already have a T_V_ but you're buying an extra remote controlfor it or something ?Project Manager: O this is the {vocalsound} next topic we have to discuss exactly ,User Interface: Okay , alright .Project Manager: so let's goto it . So um we should decide which kind of remote control we want to uh we want to uh we want to go . Should be should should it be um specific remote controlto some specific device ? Should it be a universal one ? And uh etcetera . So um {vocalsound} so I'm waiting for your for your inputs very quickly because wehave only three three minutes to go .User Interface: Okay well , so , it seems the the first thing that they've kinda specified is the price like based on how muchprofit we wanna make , which seems to {disfmarker} a kind of a little strange if we don't know what the the product is yet , but I guess if that's {disfmarker} ifthat's the requirement that we need to to design the the product to actually fit that that price bracket so , I guess we're gonna need to find out what's actually{disfmarker} you know , what people ar are willing to pay for {disfmarker} um what kind of product they're expecting for twenty-five EuroProject Manager: Okay.User Interface: because it seems quite a lot for a remote control ,Project Manager: Okay I think this is more a job to ourUser Interface: so it's{disfmarker}Project Manager: market person yeah .Industrial Designer: Marketing person .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: So it should be the topic ofmaybe of the next meeting just to to have an overview of this and uh in which direction we should go .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So weneed to close the meeting . Uh we'll have a new meeting soon and uh so {gap} the work every every of you ha have t d to do . So um you have to work on the onthe working design , you have to uh work on the technical functions , and uh you have to work on us user requirements specs , alright ?Marketing: Yeah .ProjectManager: Um you will receive some information by emails , i as usual . Thanks for coming today .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: Thanks .IndustrialDesigner: Thanks .User Interface: Alright ."}
{"doc_id":"doc_61","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay . Um welcome to our second meeting . This is the functional design meeting . And I hope you all had a good individual working time . Okay, let's get started . Okay , here's the agenda for the meeting . After the opening um I am going to fulfil the role of secretary , take the meeting minutes . Andwe're gonna have three presentations , one from each of you . Then we're gonna discuss some new project requirements . Um gonna come to a decision on thefunctions of the remote control . And then we're gonna close up the meeting . And we're gonna do this all in about forty minutes . {gap} Okay . First I want todiscuss the goals of this meeting . First we need to determine the user requirements and the question that we can ask ourselves is what needs and desires are tobe fulfilled by this remote control . And then we're going to determine the technical functions , what is the effect of the apparatus , what actually is it supposed todo , what do people pick up the remote and use it for . And then lastly we're going to determine its working design , how exactly will it perform its functions ,that's the whole technical side of {disfmarker} 'Kay I'll just give you a minute , 'cause it looks like you're making some notes .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay . Oh , well let's go ahead and ,User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {gap} back , previous .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So what I wanna do right now is hear from all three of you , on your research that you just did . Who would like to startus off ? 'Kay .User Interface: I don't mind going first .Project Manager: Okay . Um do you have a PowerPoint or no ?User Interface: Yeah , it's in the {disfmarker}should be in the m Project .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Do you want us to do our PowerPoints now or {disfmarker}User Interface: You know you couldyou could do it yourself actually .Project Manager: Oh .Industrial Designer: Did you send it ?Project Manager: Save it in the project documents .User Interface:Put it in Project Documents ,Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: yeah .Project Manager: Mm-mm-mm . This one ?User Interface: Sure . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Okay .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Okay . Great .User Interface: Okay . Um well , the function {vocalsound} of a remote control , as whatuh we've been informed , is basically to send messages to the television set , for example , switch it on , switch it off , go to this channel , go to channel nine ,turn the volume up , etcetera . Um some of the considerations is just um for example the what it needs to include it's the numbers , you know , zero to nine , soyou can move to a channel , the power button on slash off , the channel going up and down , volume going up and down , and then mute , a mute function . Andthen functions for V_H_S_ , D_V_D_ , for example , play , rewind , fast-forward , stop , pause , enter . And enter would be for like , you know , the menus .{vocalsound} And then other menus for D_V_ as well as T_V_ , whether that means like um we can go and decide the brightness of the screen , things like that ,all the more complicated functions of menus .Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: And we can decide if that's what we want , {gap} , um if we want to includethat on the remote , if that's something that would stay on the T_V_ itself , for example .Project Manager: Okay . Okay .User Interface: These are two examples .Um and you can see on the left , it's got a lot more buttons ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: and I don't know if you can read it , but it says , step ,go to , freeze , um slow , repeat , program , mute , and so those are some of the buttons and so it gives you an idea of s one example . And then on the right ,it's a lot more simpler , it's got volume , it's got the play the like circle set , which is play , rewind , but it's also what is {disfmarker} fast-forward is also like nexton a menu . So you have functions that are d uh duplicating .Project Manager: Right .User Interface: And you have a mute button and then the numbers and theeject , and the power button . So that gives you two different kinds , a more complex and more simple version . Okay .Project Manager: Ready .User Interface:And then lastly , it's just the questions that we want to consider like what functions do we want it to include , and how simple , complex it should be ? And whatfunctions it needs to complete . Uh , what are needed to complete insulation process , 'cause , you know , that's something that also has to be considered and it'sgonna be hopefully a one-time thing , when you set it up it should be set to go , but we have to include the functions that can allow it to set up i in the first place.Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: So that's it .Project Manager: Alright . Very good presentation . Thank you . You speak with such authority on the matter.User Interface: Mm . Left .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . Who would like to um follow that one up ? Now , that we've discussed {disfmarker}Marketing: Ican go .Project Manager: Okay . Do you want me to run it or you wanna {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah , you should run it .Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound}Functional requirements .Marketing: {vocalsound} Mm yes .Project Manager: 'Kay . Alright . Now we have Courtney with the functional requirements .Marketing:Yes , okay so we tested a hundred subjects in our lab , and we just we watched them and we also made them fill out a questionnaire , and we found that the{vocalsound} users are not typically happy with current remote controls . Seventy five percent think they're ugly . Eighty percent want {disfmarker} they've{disfmarker} are willing to spend more , which is good news for us um if we make it look fancier , and basically w we just need something that really I meanthere's some other points up there , but they {disfmarker} it needs to be snazzy and it {disfmarker} but yet simple .User Interface: {gap} Wait .Marketing: Sothat's really what we need to do . And we need we need it to be simple , yet it needs to be high-tech looking . So {disfmarker}User Interface: And that meaningwhat ?Marketing: Like {disfmarker} They like I guess use the buttons a lot .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: {gap}Marketing: I don't know. It's from my uh research .Project Manager: Okay , what do you mUser Interface: Right .Marketing: My team wasn't very clear .Project Manager: Oh , I'm sorry.User Interface: Only use ten percent of the buttons .Project Manager: What do you mean by um the current remote controls do not match well with the operatingbehaviour of the user , like they have to press the buttons .Marketing: {vocalsound} That's okay . I I think it's like the engineering versus user ,Project Manager:Okay .Marketing: whereas like the engineering she showed that the engineering ones are more complexProject Manager: Oh , right .Marketing: and users don'treally need all of the buttons that are contained on there , because they only use ten percent of the buttons really .Project Manager: The buttons . Okay.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah . Okay .Industrial Designer: We only use ten per cent of our brains . {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: Good point .Project Manager: It works .Marketing: It's a necessary evil .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} yeah .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Ready for the next slide ?Marketing: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} And so people say that they typically lose it , as you yourself know ,because you probably lose your remote control all the time ,Project Manager: Hmm .Marketing: much like any small appliance like a cellphone ,User Interface:Lost .Marketing: and they {disfmarker} we need something simple , because most people , well thirty four percent say that it's just too much time to learn how touse a new one , and we don't want to go {disfmarker} we don't want to vary too far from the normal standard remote ,User Interface: SMarketing: but I meanthey do need to be able to identify it , and R_S_I_ , I'm not very sure what that is .Project Manager: It's okay . It's very important . {vocalsound}Marketing: Yes ,it is important for the remote control world .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Wait , is that like your {disfmarker} ergonomics like your handmovements or something ?Marketing: ShProject Manager: Could be , yeah .Marketing: Uh possibly .Industrial Designer: Do we really need t to provide moreinformation on what R_S_I_ is ?User Interface: Like {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh .Marketing: Uh yeah , that's what my web site said , IUserInterface: Channel , volume , power .Project Manager: I think that's a pretty good guess though .Marketing: don't know .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:Yeah , I would assume so .User Interface: It's like if you're holding it {disfmarker}Marketing: I think we're supposed to know it as remote control experts .ProjectManager: Yeah . It's okay . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} But also s so the channel , the volume and the power buttons are the most important on ourcompany website you can find like the specific statistics concerning to how much each button is used , but those are the definitely the top ones .Project Manager:Okay . Next slide ?Marketing: Yes . And so personally I think that we need a modern eye-catching design , but it it really needs to be simple . So saying from yyour slide , your presentation , the engineering versus the user-specified remotes , I think that we should go with something that's more user-friendly .ProjectManager: User-friendly .Marketing: Where the engineering ones , the boxes , tend to make it look more complicated than it really is . Um the functionality of theproduct really needs to be considered as to like what type of buttons do we really need on it . And it needs to be open to a wide range of consumers , so eventhough we need a small number of buttons , we also need to take in {disfmarker} like are most people going to be using it for a D_V_D_ player , a TiVo , whatwhat exactly are we using it for , as well as the age range . So we need a hip , but not a corny marketing scheme for promoting our product .User Interface:{gap}Marketing: And also we found {disfmarker} our team found that speech recognition is {disfmarker} it's like an up-and-coming thing they really{disfmarker} consumers are really interested in it , and since our findings found that people are willing to pay more money for a remote for it to be morehigh-class we could consider it .Project Manager: And so just to {disfmarker} just to clarify by speech recognition you mean they would say , channel five , andthe thing would go to channel five ?Marketing: I guess so , yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: {gap} to just say , whereare you , and thing beeps , you know . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh , that'd be lovely .Marketing: Yeah , I guess we can interpret it like , wecan just try out different types of speech recognition within our remote programme .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Didn't they{disfmarker} um didn't our rival companies manufacture a remote that you would press the button on the T_V_ and it would {disfmarker} the remote would beepso if you have lost it {disfmarker}User Interface: It's kinda like what the remote phone used to do .Project Manager: Mm . Oh , yeah , that's true .User Interface:"}
{"doc_id":"doc_62","qid":"","text":"Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to today's meeting of the Children, Young People and Education Committee. We've received noapologies for absence. Can I ask Members whether there are any declarations of interest, please?Darren Millar AM: Yes, I have a declaration of interest, Chair. Iunderstand that my daughter features in one of the videos that is going to be used to contribute evidence to this inquiry. And, in addition, I'm a governor of oneof the schools that features in the video.Lynne Neagle AM: Thank you, Darren. So, item 2, then, today is our first session on the provision of textbooks andlearning resources for pupils, which is a video of interviews with young people and teachers. The committee team has been out to take video evidence aroundWales, and we're now going to watch the results of that on the screen. Okay. Well, I'm sure that the committee would want me to place on record our thanks tothe young people and the teachers who took part in that very helpful and informative video. We'll move on now then to our evidence session, and I'm verypleased to welcome Gareth Pierce, chief executive of the WJEC, Mike Ebbsworth, assistant director educational support, WJEC, Philip Blaker, chief executive ofQualifications Wales, and Emyr George, associate director general qualifications at Qualifications Wales. So, thank you all of you for attending and thank you forthe papers that you provided in advance as well. If you're happy, we'll go straight into questions now, and if I can just start by asking you to outline what you seeas your role in ensuring that students and teachers in Wales have the resources that they need to pass general qualifications and what you think the role ofcommercial publishers and Welsh Government is.Philip Blaker: Shall I start? So, Qualifications Wales is the regulator of the awarding bodies, so we regulateawarding bodies. Our powers are structured around the regulating of awarding bodies. We don't regulate commercial publishers nor the provision of textbookswithin that. In regulating the awarding body, our primary focus is also on the design of the qualifications and then the delivery of the assessment. So, it's muchmore around the assessment side than teaching resources. That said, when we are going through the design of the qualifications, we go through an approvalprocess, so we develop approval criteria and we ask WJEC to submit their specifications against those approval criteria and sample assessment materials as well.So, our focus is very much on making sure that teachers are able, through the sample assessment materials and the specifications, to have a good understandingof what is going to be expected of them in the examinations and of their pupils in the examinations. So, that's setting out the knowledge, skills andunderstandings that will be assessed by WJEC when those exams are sat. We have in the past pulled together groups of people to look at issues like resources.So, during the last round of approvals, we pulled together interested parties in Welsh Government, regional consortia and WJEC to look at resources that wouldbe available with a view to facilitating the discussion about who would be best placed to fill the gaps where there may be perceived to be gaps in resources. Ourother primary role is in maintaining standards. So, as the regulator of qualifications, what we want to do is we want to make that the awards of qualifications—so,the grades that people get—are fair. One of the things we do is set out the way in which the awarding bodies will set grades—so, the awarding process, themethods that will be used—and then we monitor WJEC's award of grades against those processes. During a period of change, we prescribe the use of comparableoutcomes as the primary approach, largely because comparable outcomes are designed for circumstances like this, where there's a change in a specificationparticularly, because there are any number of reasons, including resources, why performance may be different from one year to the next, but comparableoutcomes is there to ensure that, all things being equal, if the cohorts have the same ability, the same grade should be awarded from one year to the next. We dorecognise that there have been delays in textbooks. Much of that has been related to the timelines that we've all had to deliver new specifications against, whichhave been far from ideal for everybody involved. We think that particularly our role moving forward will be looking at the timelines for reforms that will benecessary for the new curriculum to make sure that this situation isn't repeated and that there is sufficient time in future reforms to allow for greater systemreadiness. In terms of the roles of others, Welsh Government have a role at the moment in terms of grant funding of translation of materials into Welsh medium.And there is, through the common model at the moment—and this is a model that is common between England and Wales—a reliance on commercial publishersto provide textbooks. Now, that's something that probably needs to be looked at in the future in terms of potential different models for how that might beachieved and also, potentially, around a paradigm shift in what's expected of those materials. So, I think that sets out Qualification Wales's position inparticular.Lynne Neagle AM: Thank you. Gareth.Gareth Pierce: Thank you very much. The WJEC does provide what's required in a regulatory sense, and there aretwo things there—the specification, which tends to be very comprehensive in providing guidance in terms of drawing up a programme of teaching, and alsoexemplar assessments, which include marking, and those go to the regulator before they are published. So, those samples go to the regulator. The WJEC also doinvest a great deal in resources that we produce digitally in both languages simultaneously. Each new course has substantial teaching guidance, which includes agreat deal of useful information for teachers and pupils. And we run a professional development programme for teachers that is free of charge when courses arenew, and then annually there is some charge for those events. They are face-to-face events, or, increasingly, they are webinars. The WJEC also encouragespublishers to take an interest in providing textbooks. We don't have a commercial agreement with publishers. Indeed, the regulations as they stand in Wales,Northern Ireland and England preclude examination bodies from having commercial links with providers of textbooks, but that is something that emerges fromthe three-nation regime that existed in terms of qualifications. So, that is one point that we noted as something that needs to be considered for Wales as wemove forward, whether it would be possible—. As we are not talking about examination boards competing with each other in Wales for GCSE and A-levels, inpassing, that is something that I would want to suggest may deserve review. We encourage publishers to take an interest. At the moment, these tend to beEngland-based—Hodder Education and Illuminate Education, for example—and then the Welsh Government does provide funding to the WJEC to support theprocess of providing Welsh-language versions for those textbooks. So, we use that funding to provide editorial support to the process, and also to pay fortranslation costs, and we give significant guidance in terms of terminology. We have a language services team including excellent editors and translators withinthe WJEC, and we work closely with external translators too, and we use translation technology increasingly, which facilitates a great many things. Beyond that, Ithink the WJEC does see the need for flexibility, particularly when difficulties arise, and you heard there of some of the methods used by Mike and others to getdigital resources available earlier than the print versions. And I should also note perhaps that, as the WJEC is very much involved with stakeholders, we feel thatwe do have a contribution to make in terms of ideas for the future.Lynne Neagle AM: Thank you. We heard in the video that teachers are spending a lot of theirtime actually translating materials. What is your view on that as a good use of teachers' time in Wales?Gareth Pierce: I think the question of translation is aninteresting one. There was talk about pupils translating and teachers translating. I think perhaps we need to understand what causes the need for that because,as I mentioned earlier, there are so many resources available digitally in both languages at the same time. Perhaps an interesting question is: is that sourceuseful for teachers, being able to draw resources from two sources? Another interesting question, I think, is—. The Welsh language, of course, is a language thatis used in an educational context, but we are in a big world that's an English language world. I'm very aware that many of the websites we refer to in ourresources and many of the case studies, as was mentioned in that video—they are available in English only. Therefore, I think another interesting question is: canwe discover what those additional resources are that are worth translating? And, certainly, it would be very unfortunate if there were a dozen Welsh-mediumschools, for example, translating material from the same website independently of each other. If there are a few websites, or a few case studies, in this bigexternal digital world that are worth translating, shouldn't we able to source those early? Because I don't think it's a good use of teachers' time. But I also thinkthat the use of both languages is an interesting one. What is the vision in terms of teaching in a Welsh-medium class, in particular, perhaps, in the A-levelclasses? I'm sure that some teachers feel that there is a way of enriching the teaching by referring to terms in both languages, as well as explaining those termsin their own language. But the impression I got from the video was that there was quite a lot of mechanical translating happening, and perhaps there is a need tounderstand more of the context.Lynne Neagle AM: Llyr on this.Llyr Gruffydd AM: Just to pick up on your point on the additional materials, whose role would it beto asses this or to take that overview, and then to respond to the demand?Gareth Pierce: Mike, in the WJEC, has conversations about resources in the team he'spart of.Mike Ebbsworth: Yes. That is extremely important—to identify, as Gareth has just said, those materials that need to be translated, and noteverything needs to. We've made a lot of use recently of speaking with teachers and the consortia, and ensuring then that we are focusing on those things thatneed that attention.Llyr Gruffydd AM: But would you—? The question I'm asking is: would you still see that as a core part of your work, although it's notnecessarily essential in terms of the provision that you're required to provide?Gareth Pierce: Yes, we invest substantially from the WJEC budget into digitalresources. So, through the types of conversations that Mike mentioned, in terms of identifying needs, deciding on priorities with teachers in individual subjectareas, that can provide very useful information for us in terms of prioritisation. Of course, the digital packages that we create are already based onconversations with teachers.Llyr Gruffydd AM: So, it's already happening to a certain extent.Gareth Pierce: Well, yes, but we could always go a step further.Llyr"}
{"doc_id":"doc_63","qid":"","text":"User Interface: Hi .Industrial Designer: Hi .Project Manager: Hello .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Oh .Project Manager: Good morning .User Interface:Good morning .Industrial Designer: Morning .Marketing: Good morning .Project Manager: Uh before I start with the with the meeting I have a few things to tellyou about the the setting we're in , uh because we're uh being watched by uh Big Brother . So um {disfmarker}Marketing: By Big Brother ?Project Manager: Yeah. {vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: This uh {disfmarker} These are cameras , so are these . This thing uhthat looks like a pie ,Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: are actually all microphones .Marketing: Yeah . Okay .Project Manager: So you must be careful withuh with uh all this . And uh as I can see you uh you have placed your laptops uh exactly on the place where it must be . And that has to do with the camerasettings , so we don't have our uh laptops in front of the cameras .Marketing: Of our faces .Project Manager: And {disfmarker} Indeed . So they can see our faces.Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Welcome at the kick-off meeting . My name is uhDanny Wolfs . {vocalsound} Uh this is the agenda for today . Uh first a little opening . Uh I will introduce myself , uh and uh I think it's very uh good to introduceuh yourself . Uh then uh a little bit of acquaintance , acquaintance to uh to to ourselves . So uh we get to know each other . Uh that will be done uh with a tooltraining from the he these two uh smart boards . Then the project plan . What we're going to do , and how we're going to do it . Uh and discussion about that anda little closing at the end . {vocalsound} Okay uh , my name is uh Danny Wolfs . I'm the Project Manager . What's your name ?User Interface: I'm Juergen Toffs .I'm the User Interface Designer .Project Manager: User interface , okay .Industrial Designer: Hi , my name's uh {gap} . I'm the Industrial Designer .ProjectManager: Industrial , yes .Marketing: I'm uh Tim {gap} . Um my function is the Marketing Expert .Project Manager: Okay , thank you . First a little about theproject aim . Uh the the the aim is to make a new remote control . Uh maybe you have read uh read the website . It's a very uh , yeah , very uh ambitious uhcompany . They uh they wanna do something else . I w Uh there must be a new remote control . Uh first of all uh it must be original , uh and trendy . That's twothings really uh close to each other . But at the same time uh user-friendly . And they have uh {disfmarker} Yeah , that's uh very important uh for them . Uhthere are three stages . There is a functional design . So uh what are we going uh to uh to do ? What are we going to uh uh make f uh kind of functions in theremote ? And why are we going to do it ? Then the conceptual design . How are going to do it ? {vocalsound} And that's uh really global . Uh because at thedetailed design , how , part two , uh we go uh to dig in uh really about how the the te the technical of {disfmarker} If it's uh it's possible technical-wise.Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh each stage is uh {vocalsound} uh is broken up in two uh two stages , individual work and a meeting . So it's uh it'svery straightforward . {vocalsound} Okay , the tool training . We have two smart boards . {vocalsound} This one is for the presentations , the PowerPointpresentations or the Word presentation of whatever you uh you had . Uh and this is uh only for uh drawing . So uh we uh must let it uh stand on this uh thisprogramme . {vocalsound} This is called a smart boardMarketing: {vocalsound} Speaks for itself .Project Manager: thing uh {disfmarker} Yeah , it speaks foritself . Um and as you uh may have heard , the documents in the shared folder uh can be uh showed on this screen . Not in y the the My Documents . So if youwanna show something , put it in the shared folder . {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker} This uh is {gap} very straightforward , with the save , the print , the undo ,the blank , the select , the pen . Well , I don't uh gonna explain it all ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: because I think you know uh how it works . Umwe must not forget uh everything we draw on here , uh all must be saved . We we may not delete anything . So uh if you have uh drawn something , save it .Never delete it . That's a very important uh thing .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . Uh little uh little {vocalsound} kinda exercise to uh knoweach other .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} At uh the white board on the left . Every uh every one of us uhmust draw our favourite animal ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} and uh tell uh tell us why we uh had uh chosen that animal .Uh important is that we use different colours , {vocalsound} and uh different pen widths . Widths . Widths .Marketing: I have a question .Project Manager: Yes?Marketing: Um this exercise , um did the company board tell you to do it ,Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: or uh did youjust make it up yourself ?Project Manager: No no no . It's uh it's uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker} I I I must do it .Marketing: It's part of the introduction ,ProjectManager: Yeah , yeah , yeah . 'Cause we uh really don't know each other ,Marketing: okay .Project Manager: and uh it's kinda new . So getting used to eachother , we can uh have a little fun then , before we uh dig in really to the hard stuff .Marketing: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: That kind of thing . Wouldyou start with drawing your uh favourite animal ?Marketing: Um , yeah . I don't know really how it works . But maybe you can show us first ?Project Manager:{vocalsound} Okay , okay . Yeah , okay . Drawing goes with uh this thing . Do not touch your hand on uh this little uh thingy here . That's uh important.Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So hold it uh like this .User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: You g you get electrocuted or{disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah , kinda . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So , {vocalsound} um{disfmarker} You must p p uh push a little uh {disfmarker} Good . Because {disfmarker} And uh wait uh wait a few seconds . It's not uh fully real-time , so uhwatch it .User Interface: Ach . {gap}Project Manager: Oh yeah . Well I'm gonna paint in the red .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh .UserInterface: Ooph .Project Manager: That's the background colour . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well ,undo . Um {disfmarker} The pen ? No . One minute please . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah , that's the one . Well , five .Okay . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} My favourite animal huh ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: It's likePictionary ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah , you can guess what it is .Marketing: The the one who says it first{vocalsound} gets a raise .Project Manager: {vocalsound} May uh paint uh next .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: It's a pork ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} No , it's not an orc .{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: You don't see it uh at the ears ?Marketing: Mm yeah , I have it at home . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: You have an orc at home ?User Interface: Very artistic .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Thank you .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: So it's a cat . {vocalsound}Marketing: What's it called ?Project Manager: Simba . 'Cause uh we have a cat at homeMarketing: Ah .Project Manager: andhe's called Simba . 'Cause he looks like the uh the the lion from The Lion King .User Interface: Okay . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} Miniature size ?Project Manager: So we uh found it kinda cool to uh name it after a lion .Marketing: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: He'shappy with us , so uh he's smiling .User Interface: Wow . He does have body uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Huh .Project Manager: No , only the face . Becausewe have we have twen twenty five minutes . So we uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Okay . We have to speed up .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Remember youuse uh different colours , and different pen widths .Project Manager: Yeah . Okay , who wants to go next ?Marketing: I {disfmarker} Okay .Project Manager: Yeah?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So choose a colour , choose a pen width and draw a {disfmarker}User Interface: You don't have to changethe colour and the pen width during uh the drawing .Marketing: Save it .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Or {disfmarker}Marketing: You have to save it.Project Manager: Save it , okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: I've done it . New ? 'Kay .User Interface: You have to draw uh push hard on thepen or uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Mm uh {disfmarker} Not really .Project Manager: Kind of firm touch .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: That one .UserInterface: Oh . Uh hmm .Marketing: Yeah ? Okay . Open . Which one is it ? Smart board ?Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: Okay . And now ? Okay . Okay , thanks . 'Kay , I've speed up . 'Kay , that's fine . Line width .Industrial Designer: By the way , why wasyour cat uh red ?Project Manager: Because uh my cat is red uh at home .User Interface: Oh .Industrial Designer: Oh , okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: And Ihave red hair , so uh must be red .User Interface: It's a very bloody cat .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Oh , yeah , sure .User Interface: It's a frog .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: No , it's a turtle . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Uh it's an apple . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} It's not an apple .Industrial Designer: Must be a dog . {vocalsound}User Interface: A dog ? {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .Marketing: Hmm . Colour . {vocalsound} Something like this . Smaller .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Huh ?Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: Oh , it is a turtle .Project Manager: It is a turtle . Why a turtle ? Why ? Tim ?Marketing: Um {disfmarker} 'Cause I liked TeenageMutant Hero Turtles .Project Manager: {vocalsound} You watched it a lot ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} Uh ?Project Manager: You watched it a lot ?User Interface: It's uh inside its shell . You'll be uh finished sooner .Marketing: No , it's uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: It's a scared turtle .Marketing: No no . {vocalsound} It's coming up . Mm . Uh .User Interface: Wow .Project Manager:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay , Tim . Thank you . {vocalsound}Marketing:Something like this . {vocalsound} Okay , you know {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Very artistic .Project"}
{"doc_id":"doc_64","qid":"","text":"Marketing: {gap}Project Manager: {gap} {vocalsound}Marketing: I dunno . {vocalsound} Throwing away my toothpick .User Interface: Hi there .ProjectManager: Yo . Ow .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {gap} {vocalsound}Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Niceuser interface .Project Manager: Yeah . What the {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker}Marketing: {gap}Project Manager: Yeah well , ja well let's just start .Marketing:'Kay .Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I've uh made a presentation uh but uh I'll open it on the Smartboard , so we can all see it .Marketing: Rightlet's see it .Project Manager: So it's in the project documents because that's what we can find here . Well {gap} . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Very nice . Well this is called the the the kick-off meeting . So uh {vocalsound} I'm the Project Manager , so I had to fill it in,Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: and uh hmm . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Oh sorry . {vocalsound} And {gap} an uh a nice agenda . {vocalsound} Uh we'lldo the opening and then uh we'll meet each other , what uh we already do , so , that's not uh very much trouble . I'll I'll show you the the tools we have here , sothat we can all use them . Then uh we'll look at the project plan from uh Real Reaction .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: We'll discuss about our firstideas about the project , and then uh we'll close the meeting , and then we can uh individually uh do our things and then uh we'll get back here . So {vocalsound}this the opening we'll uh {disfmarker} We have to uh design a new television remote control . You have heard that uh already I think , so .Marketing: Mm-hmm.Project Manager: Um we want it to be original , so a nice uh a nice new design . Uh trendy , it's {vocalsound} also for young people , and we have to just uhmake it uh modern . And uh friendly , so size does matter . And uh {disfmarker} Well it has to be a have the the right uh the right buttons on the right place ,that kin those kind of things .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Other uh {disfmarker} There happen to be uh three stages . {gap} functional ,conceptual , and d detailed design . Um so every time we we'll do some individual work , get meeting , talk about it , uh and then go into the next phase . That'sjust it . {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker} We have uh these two Smartboards . Um well as I just showed , there's a project management folder , a projectdocument folder on the desktop . It just works exactly the same as a computer . You just uh click on the on the folder and you open the everything you you put init with your laptop . So you can uh make uh {vocalsound} Words Excel , everything . Um and the w the r uh the rest uh also works the same so uh when youopen a notepad you uh you just get your uh things , you can uh draw . This is a uh well a drawing board . {gap} you have a {disfmarker} these different uhfunctions on the board . You can see them there . So you have a a nice pen , and it's works just like a bal ball pen . {vocalsound} This is just a {gap} . I want touh {disfmarker} Oh yeah . Of course w {vocalsound} doesn't work any more . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Maybe you should try to write on the on the big white uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yes I will {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: Does it ? Yeah . It works .Project Manager: eraser {gap} so .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Wonderful .Project Manager: It's fantasfantastic . We can uh uh well you can save a file . So if uh we draw we have to save everything . Don't throw anything away .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm.Project Manager: Uh just we can start a new one , and we just go on , and don't throw anything away .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Just uh letthem all uh stand here . We can delete , but we don't do that . Um you can here select a pen , you can draw anything you want . It's a bit uh childish you have towrite . It's not as fast as you w you know it , but it does work sometimes .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {gap} .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Well it's just like a normal uh paint .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So it's gone .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Alright , yep .Project Manager: Well we are designers , so we have to have a a more uh a Smartboard . So that's fantastic . Um well thisuh speaks for itself . We going to try it . So um we all uh are going to uh draw a nice animal on this board ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: not my idea . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Alright , yourfavourite animal ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yes our your favourite . So um I'm to going to have to draw a kangaroo ,Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: but I'm going d I'm not going to . I'm just uh going to uh well draw a nice uh beastMarketing: {vocalsound} Grizzly bear .{vocalsound}Project Manager: w I dunno what I'm going to design .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh um {vocalsound} doesn't{disfmarker} oh .Industrial Designer: I hope this was part of the assignment and not uh your uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah , 'kay . Hmm ?IndustrialDesigner: I hope this was part of the assignment and not uh your personal uh enjoyment .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I just said it's not myideaMarketing: Yeah .Project Manager: but I am the Project Manager ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: and officially this is my idea .{vocalsound} So {disfmarker} {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I I I {vocalsound} I understand . Alright .Marketing: We're kindalosing time , though .Project Manager: what ?Marketing: We're losing time , but {disfmarker}Project Manager: Ah {vocalsound} the first the first meeting is justa bit uh loose , loosen up , a bit uh meeting each otherIndustrial Designer: {gap} so start {disfmarker}Marketing: Alright .Project Manager: {gap} well uh uhnice yeah . {vocalsound} ShIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yep yes .Project Manager: I hope our Industrial Designer does this better because uh this is uh{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Don't uh count on it .Project Manager: No {vocalsound} {vocalsound} so a a few legs .Marketing: Do we have to guess ?ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Yes yesMarketing: {vocalsound} A hippo ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: guess . {vocalsound} Well I should make it an hippo now .{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I think it's a mouse or a rat .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} No I don't think so .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Oh . Oh I know it .Project Manager: Well what is it , huh ?IndustrialDesigner: It's a hedgehog .Marketing: I don't know how to call it .Project Manager: YeahMarketing: A hedgehog ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: {gap} difficultEnglish word . I didn't knew it myself {gap} . {vocalsound}Marketing: {gap} .Industrial Designer: Well I'm amazed uh about your uh drawing skills .{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Our characteristics sum it up . Well it's uh very {vocalsound} uh painfulIndustrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {disfmarker} {vocalsound} those kind of thing . So we can uh just uh {disfmarker}Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: We're going back and now uh our IndustrialDesigner can uh draw its uh most favourite animal .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I am the Industrial Designer .Marketing: Alright . Thank you.Project Manager: Huh .Industrial Designer: Chief , I am the Industrial Designer .Project Manager: Oh uh but this uh marketing designer .Industrial Designer:Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I think {disfmarker} It's pr it resembles {vocalsound} the animal drawn by {gap}.Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} {gap}Marketing: It's {gap} . {vocalsound}Project Manager: what kind of animal is that then ?{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I think {disfmarker} can I say it ?Marketing: Yeah sure .Project Manager: Uh it {gap} . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: It's a rabbit . {vocalsound} Well {disfmarker} Looks very nice , right ?Project Manager: Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: It looks amazing .Project Manager: No no no . What are you going to do ? {vocalsound}User Interface: We want to erase it . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: No no .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: No no save it and start a new uh {disfmarker} save it and start a new black uh doc {gap} a blankdocument .Industrial Designer: These are very impor {vocalsound}Marketing: Yes .Industrial Designer: These are very important documents , of course , uhthese drawings , uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah well we have to save everythingMarketing: Yes uh right .Project Manager: so now um the next one uh{disfmarker} {gap} and then save it and start an blank document .User Interface: {vocalsound} Thanks .Marketing: You go man .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Yeah . There's also different colours and different uh well pen widths uh the line the the thickness thickness .Marketing: Alright .Project Manager: So um well youshould uh try it but uh {disfmarker}Marketing: I should have made mine a white rabbit . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well y y y you could have but uh{vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: And he deliberately draws a animal we don't know the English word for .Project Manager: It speaks for itself .Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} What the {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: It looks like an uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: uh just aduck . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: It looks like that beast from Sesame Street .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Nice . {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} {gap} .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Big bird . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Is it a duck ?Marketing: You're standing infront of it ,Industrial Designer: It's it's uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Is it a plane ? {vocalsound}Marketing: I can't see it . Alright , thank you . Yeah it's a bird, but what kind of bird ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: It doesn't draw uh circles uh that easy uh .Industrial Designer: Do we have to uh{disfmarker}Marketing: You have to push harder .Project Manager: Yeah just a bit a bit childish ,User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: a bit {vocalsound}.Industrial Designer: But we have uh {vocalsound} do we have to name the specific species of the bird ?Marketing: Release your anger .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Uh no I don't .Industrial Designer: No ?User Interface: It'sjust a bird .Project Manager: Well uh save the documentIndustrial Designer: Well wonderful .Project Manager: and then uh {disfmarker}User Interface:"}
{"doc_id":"doc_65","qid":"","text":"Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and Education Committee. We've received no apologies for absence thismorning. Can I ask if there are any declarations of interest from Members, please? No. Okay. Thank you. Item 3 this morning then is a scrutiny session on earlychildhood education and care, and I'm very pleased to welcome Julie Morgan AM, Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services; Jo-anne Daniels, director ofcommunities and tackling poverty at Welsh Government; and Nicola Edwards, deputy director of the childcare, play and early years division in Welsh Government.Thank you all for your attendance. We’re very much looking forward to the session. If you're happy, we'll go straight into questions, and the first ones are fromHefin David.Hefin David AM: Good morning, Deputy Minister. What are your primary objectives? Is it supporting the development of children or getting parentsinto work?Julie Morgan AM: Well, I think you'll be aware from the range of programmes that we've got that we do feel it’s important to support both children andparents. There's obviously lots of evidence to show how important the early years are for children, how important they are for their development, and so, that isone of our primary objectives. But we also know how important it is for parents to have stable jobs, reasonably paid, so that can also help with the developmentof the children. So, we really see it that our plans are for both parents and children, and we believe that a high-quality, early-childhood education and caresystem can provide that. And, of course, in terms of when we talk about jobs as well, I think it’s really important to remember that the childcare system is a bigemployer as well and a very important employer. So that, actually, itself provides jobs.Hefin David AM: So, the evidence we've seen suggests that, historically,Governments in the UK and devolved have focused on primarily getting parents into work. So, are you suggesting then that your focus is to change that andmove towards early child development?Julie Morgan AM: No, what I'm saying is that we want to give parents the opportunity to work. We don't want childcare tobe a barrier to parents working because we think that working is one the best routes out of poverty, but we do also want to make sure that children have thegreatest experience that they can have in the early years. So, we see it as one.Hefin David AM: Okay. And that's quite a policy challenge to deliver both at thesame time.Julie Morgan AM: The situation as it is is complex, and I think it needs simplifying. It is a challenge, but it’s probably one of the most importantchallenges we've got in Government, because what we offer to families with young children is one of the most important things we do.Hefin David AM: And inyour evidence to the committee, you said that the Welsh Government’s approach 'will build on a wide variety of programmes that are continually developing inorder to support parents, families and children during the early years.' And you've just said you want to simplify that. How do you simplify that, particularly withregard to the provision of funding and the way these things connect from the birth of a child into school? How will simplification look, and what will happen?JulieMorgan AM: Well, we're not at the stage of being able to say what it will look like at the moment, but we're looking at ways of simplifying, because I think it’sabsolutely right, it is a very complex system, because it’s grown up from all different routes. But we are having lots of pilot projects that are looking at ways ofsimplifying the system. We have got pathway projects in, I think it’s eight local authorities, who are looking at ways of joining up the whole system. So, we arelooking at that, and I absolutely except that it is very complex and we want to find ways of making it simpler and easier to understand. So, we are working withlocal authorities and health boards to see how we can actually work together and simplify things.Hefin David AM: And it's good to hear that that's your objective.Can I just come back to the first thing you said: 'We can't say yet what we're going to do'?Julie Morgan AM: No.Hefin David AM: So, when will we have a policyplan and something that we can interrogate in more detail?Julie Morgan AM: Well, I think we are near getting to an announcement where we will be able to saywhat direction we're going in, and because we have had—. Some of this work has been going on for a year or so, and we're getting the results of those pathfinderprojects coming in. So, when we do have all those results, we will be able to say the direction that we want to go in, and I hope we'll be able to do that verysoon.Hefin David AM: Before Christmas?Julie Morgan AM: I hope so.Hefin David AM: Okay. And finally from me—Julie Morgan AM: I'm sorry I can't say too muchabout that because we haven't actually—. We need to—.Hefin David AM: Well, it does sound like something is imminent.Julie Morgan AM: Yes.Hefin David AM:Okay. And that's as far as you're willing to go. And if that's as far as you're willing to go, then I'll stop asking.Lynne Neagle AM: I've got a supplementary fromSiân.Hefin David AM: Okay.Julie Morgan AM: Yes, that's fine.Sian Gwenllian AM: I just want to understand a little about the pilot, the pathfinders in eight localauthority areas. Is the focus there on the child or is it on parents returning to work?Julie Morgan AM: The focus is on an early years system, but we've workedboth locally and nationally. So, it's looking at both. I mean, actually, I think, perhaps, Nicola, would you like to or one of you like to describe one of theprogrammes?Sian Gwenllian AM: And can you just explain the vision? Is it a child-centred early years provision that we're thinking of in thesepathfinder—?Jo-Anne Daniels: So, in 'Prosperity for All', we set out that early years was one of the key priority areas, and within that we said that we wanted tocreate a more joined-up and more responsive system. So, when we talk about a system, we're talking about the services that are provided by health boards, sohealth visiting, midwifery, speech and language support, other kinds of therapeutic services, as well as all the important services that local authorities areproviding, such as support for parenting, advice and guidance, employment support and childcare, obviously. And we've got eight pathfinders. I'll try andremember each of them. So, Flintshire, Newport, Blaenau Gwent, Neath Port Talbot, Swansea, Ceredigion, Pembrokeshire—and then I've missed one, I think,because I've only got to seven—who have been working with us to look at how all of those services are currently delivered in their local area and whether andhow they can reorganise those services to improve accessibility, to improve take-up, but essentially to improve the efficacy of those programmes in terms ofsupporting children, but often, obviously, in supporting children you have to support parents too and support the home.Sian Gwenllian AM: So, would you say it'sa child-centred approach?Jo-Anne Daniels: Absolutely, because it's about making sure that we deliver the best start in life for children in Wales, but obviouslyparents are a critical element of that, so can't be excluded.Lynne Neagle AM: And how long have they been going for?Jo-Anne Daniels: So, those eight pathfindersstarted their work in—I think it was—February this year. And they're still in the very early stages in terms of actually unpicking and mapping the current provisionof services across their areas and then moving on to the stage where they'll develop proposals for how they might change the delivery of early years.LynneNeagle AM: Okay, thank you. Julie.Julie Morgan AM: Just to say also, the one in Flintshire is also testing the impact of consistent funding rates for education andchildcare. So, that's been going longer than the others. So, that's another important area because there's an evaluation of that project under way at themoment.Lynne Neagle AM: Thank you.Jo-Anne Daniels: Sorry, but Caerphilly was the one that I forgot to mention.Lynne Neagle AM: Oh dear. [Laughter.]HefinDavid AM: That's absolutely unforgivable. [Laughter.]Lynne Neagle AM: Hefin. [Laughter.]Julie Morgan AM: Very significant.Hefin David AM: In your report, the'Alignment of the Childcare Offer for Wales to the Foundation Phase', one of the recommendations was that 'The Welsh Government, local authority education andchildcare policy and delivery teams could merge'. So, looking behind the scenes, those disparate parts of policy, delivering the foundation phase and childcareoffer should merge. Is that the case? Has that been put under way and should we be looking at this structure in more depth?Julie Morgan AM: Well, probably notat the structure at this time because the report that you're referring to was looking at the first year of the delivery of the childcare offer and it did make a numberof points, which we have taken on board. For example, we issued guidance last year regarding the delivery of the foundation phase, which supports widening thenumber of non-maintained settings that are able to deliver early education and we're also supporting co-location and partnership working between education andchildcare providers through our capital investment programme. I think it's about £81 million that we put into the capital investment where we aredeveloping childcare facilities co-located with the education facilities, because that was one of the things that came out from this report you're referring to. And, Imean, obviously, early years is one of the key priorities within 'Prosperity for All' and, obviously, education sits within one portfolio with the Minister forEducation, and childcare is with me. But we're doing what we can to work together to try to bring those together, and that was one of the proposals in that report.But it's still very early to think about, at this stage, a structural change.Hefin David AM: And I remember when you were on the committee here with me, sittingnext to me, we had those discussions about co-location. I know the problem with not having co-location is that you could end up seeing a child travelling betweenthree or more locations during the course of a day. Are you suggesting now that the actions you're taking will resolve that issue universally, or will it lead to apiecemeal resolution? And, if so, to what extent, what percentage of children will see that resolved as an issue?Julie Morgan AM: Certainly, the co-location is notgoing to solve it universally because although we've been able to develop a lot of new facilities, or build on old facilities, there will be a lot of areas that we won'thave covered. So, I can't say that there's going to be a situation where everything is going to be co-located because I don't think that would be feasible, and,forsome of the providers, they wouldn't be in a position to move to a school. But ideally it's a good situation, but, certainly, I think the discussions that there wereon the committee, it's not ideal to take children for long distances between different providers, let alone the effect it has on the climate change issue. It's whetherit's good for children as well. So, I can't say that they will ever be co-located, but as I said in response to your earlier question, we are encouraging thedevelopment of the foundation phase in non-maintained settings, which, obviously, is quite significant.Lynne Neagle AM: Okay. Thank you. I've got some"}
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So there was this conference call this morning , um , and the only topic on the agenda was just to discuss a and to come at{disfmarker} uh , to get a decision about this latency problem .Professor B: No , this {disfmarker} I 'm sorry , this is a conference call between different Aurorapeople or just {disfmarker} ?PhD D: Uh , yeah . It 's the conference call between the Aurora , {vocalsound} uh , group .Professor B: It 's the main conference call. OK .PhD D: Uh , yeah . There were like two hours of {pause} discussions , and then suddenly , {vocalsound} uh , people were tired , I guess , and they decidedon {nonvocalsound} a number , two hundred and twenty , um , included e including everything . Uh , it means that it 's like eighty milliseconds {pause} less thanbefore .Professor B: And what are we sitting at currently ?PhD D: Um .Professor B: Yeah .PhD D: So , currently d uh , we have system that has two hundred andthirty . So , that 's fine .Professor B: Two thirty .PhD D: Yeah . So that 's the system that 's described on the second point of {pause} this {vocalsound}document .Professor B: So it 's {disfmarker} we have to reduce it by ten milliseconds somehow .PhD D: Yeah . But that 's {disfmarker} Yeah . That 's not aproblem , I {disfmarker} I guess .Professor B: OK . W It 's {disfmarker} it 's p d primary {disfmarker} primarily determined by the VAD at this point ,PhD D: Um.Professor B: right ?PhD D: Yeah .Professor B: S so we can make the VAD a little shorter .PhD D: Yeah . At this point , yeah .Professor B: That 's {disfmarker}PhDD: Yeah , uh - huh .Professor B: Yeah . We probably should do that pretty soon so that we don't get used to it being a certain way .PhD D: Uh - huh .Professor B:Yeah .PhD D: Um .Professor B: Was Hari on the {disfmarker} on the phone ?PhD D: Yeah , sure .Professor B: OK .PhD D: Well , it was mainly a discussion{vocalsound} between Hari and {vocalsound} David ,Professor B: Hmm .PhD D: who was like {disfmarker}Professor B: Yeah .PhD D: Uh ,Professor B: OK .PhDD: mmm {disfmarker} Uh , yeah . So , the second thing is the system that we have currently . Oh , yes . We have , like , a system that gives sixty - two percentimprovement , but {vocalsound} if you want to stick to the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} this latency {disfmarker} Well , it has a latency of two thirty , but{vocalsound} if you want also to stick to the number {vocalsound} of features that {disfmarker} limit it to sixty , {vocalsound} then we go a little bit down but it's still sixty - one percent . Uh , and if we drop the tandem network , then we have fifty - seven percent .Professor B: Uh , but th the two th two thirty includes thetandem network ?PhD D: Yeah .Professor B: OK . And i is the tandem network , uh , small enough that it will fit on the terminal size in terms of {disfmarker}?PhD D: Uh , no , I don't think so .Professor B: No .PhD D: No .Professor B: OK .PhD D: It 's still {disfmarker} in terms of computation , if we use , like , their wayof computing the {disfmarker} the maps {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the MIPs , {vocalsound} I think it fits ,Professor B: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .PhD D: butit 's , uh , m mainly a problem of memory .Professor B: Right .PhD D: Um , and I don't know how much {pause} this can be discussed or not , because it 's{disfmarker} it could be in ROM , so it 's maybe not that expensive . But {disfmarker}Professor B: Ho - how much memory d ? H how many {disfmarker} ?PhDD: I d I d uh , I {disfmarker} I don't kn remember exactly , but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Uh . Yeah , I c I {disfmarker} I have to check that .Professor B: Yeah. I 'd like to {pause} see that , cuz maybe I could think a little bit about it , cuz we {vocalsound} maybe we could make it a little smaller or {disfmarker} I mean ,it 'd be {disfmarker} it 'd be neat if we could fit it all .PhD D: Uh - huh .Professor B: Uh , I 'd like to see how far off we are .PhD D: Mm - hmm .Professor B: But Iguess it 's still within their rules to have {disfmarker} have it on the , uh , t uh , server side . Right ?PhD D: Yeah . Yeah .Professor B: OK .PhD D: Mmm.Professor B: And this is still {disfmarker} ? Uh , well , y you 're saying here . I c I should just let you go on .PhD D: Yeah , there were small tricks to make thistandem network work . Uh , {vocalsound} mmm , and one of the trick was to , {vocalsound} um , use {vocalsound} some kind of hierarchical structure where{pause} the silence probability is not computed by {pause} the final tandem network but by the VAD network . Um , so apparently it looks better when ,{vocalsound} uh , we use the silence probability from the VAD networkProfessor B: Huh .PhD D: and we re - scale the other probabilities by one minus the silenceprobability . Um . So it 's some kind of hierarchical thing , {vocalsound} uh , that Sunil also tried , um , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} on SPINE and apparently ithelps a little bit also . Mmm . And . Yeah , the reason w why {disfmarker} why we did that with the silence probability was that , {vocalsound} um{disfmarker}Professor B: Could {disfmarker} ? Uh , uh , I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm really sorry . Can you repeat what you were saying about the silence probability?PhD D: Mm - hmm .Professor B: I only {disfmarker} My mind was some {disfmarker}PhD D: Yeah . So there is the tandem network that e e e estimates thephone probabilitiesProfessor B: Yeah . Yeah .PhD D: and the silence probabilities also .Professor B: Right .PhD D: And {vocalsound} things get better when ,instead of using the silence probability computed by the tandem network , we use the silence probability , uh , given by the VAD network ,Professor B: Oh .PhDD: um ,Professor B: The VAD network is {disfmarker} ?PhD D: Which is smaller , but maybe , um {disfmarker} So we have a network for the VAD which has onehundred hidden units , and the tandem network has five hundred . Um . So it 's smaller but th the silence probability {pause} from this network seems , uh ,better .Professor B: OK .PhD D: Mmm . Uh . Well , it looks strange , but {disfmarker}Professor B: Yeah . But {disfmarker}PhD D: but itProfessor B: OK .PhD D:Maybe it 's {disfmarker} has something to do to {vocalsound} the fact that {vocalsound} we don't have infinite training data and {disfmarker}Professor B: Wedon't ?PhD D: Well ! And so {disfmarker} Well , things are not optimalProfessor B: Yeah .PhD D: and {disfmarker} Mmm {disfmarker}Grad E: Are you{disfmarker} you were going to say why {disfmarker} what made you {disfmarker} wh what led you to do that .PhD D: Yeah . Uh , there was a p {comment}problem that we observed , um , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} that there was {disfmarker} there were , like , many insertions in the {disfmarker} in the system.Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD D: Mmm .Professor B: Hmm .PhD D: Actually plugging in the tandem network was increasing , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} Ithink , the number of insertions .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD D: And , {vocalsound} um {disfmarker} So it looked strange and then just using the {disfmarker}the other silence probability helps . Mmm . Um {disfmarker} Yeah . The next thing we will do is train this tandem on more data .Professor B: So , you know , in away what it might {disfmarker} i it 's {disfmarker} it 's a little bit like {vocalsound} combining knowledge sources .PhD D: Um {disfmarker}Professor B: Right ?Because {vocalsound} the fact that you have these two nets that are different sizes {pause} means they behave a little differently ,PhD D: Mm - hmm .ProfessorB: they find different {pause} things . And , um , if you have , um {disfmarker} f the distribution that you have from , uh , f speech sounds is w {comment} sortof one source of knowledge .PhD D: Mm - hmm .Professor B: And this is {disfmarker} and rather than just taking one minus that to get the other , which isessentially what 's happening , you have this other source of knowledge that you 're putting in there . So you make use of both of them {vocalsound} in{disfmarker} in {pause} what you 're ending up with . Maybe it 's better .PhD D: Yeah .Professor B: Anyway , you can probably justify anything if what 's usePhDD: Yeah .Professor B: Yeah .PhD D: And {disfmarker} and the features are different also . I mean , the VAD doesn't use the same features there are .Professor B:Mm - hmm .Grad E: Hmm .Professor B: Oh !PhD D: Um {disfmarker}Professor B: That might be the key , actually .PhD D: Mm - hmm .Professor B: Cuz you werereally thinking about speech versus nonspeech for that .PhD D: Mm - hmm .Professor B: That 's a good point .PhD D: Mmm . Uh . Well , there are other thingsthat {vocalsound} we should do but , {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} it requires time and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} We have ideas , like {disfmarker} so ,these things are like hav having a better VAD . Uh , we have some ideas about that . It would {disfmarker} {vocalsound} probably implies working a little bit onfeatures that are more {vocalsound} suited to a voice activity detection .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD D: Working on the second stream . Of course we haveideas on this also , but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} w we need to try different things and {disfmarker} Uh , but their noise estimation , um {disfmarker}{vocalsound} uh {disfmarker}Professor B: I mean , back on the second stream , I mean , that 's something we 've talked about for a while . I mean , I think{nonvocalsound} that 's certainly a high hope .PhD D: Yeah . {vocalsound} Mmm .Professor B: Um , so we have this {disfmarker} this default idea about justusing some sort of purely spectral thing ?PhD D: Uh , yeah .Professor B: for a second stream ?PhD D: But , um , we {disfmarker} we did a first try with this , andit {disfmarker} it {vocalsound} clearly hurts .Professor B: But , uh , how was the stream combined ?PhD D: Uh . {vocalsound} It was c it was just combined , um, by the acoustic model . So there was , no neural network for the moment .Professor B: Right . So , I mean , if you just had a second stream that was justspectral and had another neural net and combined there , that {disfmarker} that , uh , {vocalsound} might be good .PhD D: Mm - hmm . Yeah . Mm - hmm . Mm- hmm . Mmm . Yeah . Um {disfmarker} Yeah , and the other thing , that noise estimation and th um , maybe try to train {disfmarker} uh , the training data forthe t tandem network , right now , is like {disfmarker} i is using the noises from the Aurora task and {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I think that people might ,{vocalsound} um , try to argue about that because {vocalsound} then in some cases we have the same noises in {disfmarker} for training the network {pause}"}
{"doc_id":"doc_67","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay . Everybody found his place again ? Yeah ?Marketing: Yes .Project Manager: That's nice . Okay so this is our second meeting . And uh stillfailing ? {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Uh now we're going um into the functional design . Um important thing of this phase is that we're goingto uh try to get an agreement about the user requirements , technical function design , and the working design . So that we can move onto the second uh phase .But first this phase . Um first an announcement . There's a little adaptation in the air conditioning system . So {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} There's our {vocalsound} ghost mouse again . That that means that you can have a little trouble with , little trouble with the airconditioning , that's because of this uh {disfmarker}User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: It's in wing C_ and E_ .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: So itshould be over in a in a while , couple of days . But it's going to be cold anyway , so {vocalsound} I don't think you're gonna need it .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: No .Project Manager: Then our agenda . Now first the opening . Uh this time I will take the minutes . Uh you're going to have apresentation . All of you . Um and we've got forty minutes for the whole uh prese for the whole uh presentations . So uh I suggest we take about seven minutesper presentation , and then we can have a little discussion about the new project requirements uh which have been sent to me . And then the decision on thecontrol functions uh which we wanna include and those which we don't wanna include . So we've got forty minutes for all of it . So I suggest um let's start withthe first presentation .Marketing: Yes .Project Manager: Um who wants to be first ?Marketing: Think I'll go first .Project Manager: Okay . So{disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Just maybe it's easier if you um {disfmarker} Yeah I think you will tell {gap} your presentation as well .Just which function you have and what you're gonna talk about . {vocalsound}Marketing: 'Kay . My name is Freek Van Ponnen . I'm the Market Expert . But youalready knew that . Um I've done some research . We have we uh have been doing research in a usability lab where we observed um users operating remotecontrols . Uh we let them fill out a questionnaire . We had one hundred of these uh test subjects . Uh in addition we did some market research . Uh see what themarket consists of . What ages are involved . Well these are three quite astonishing results , I thought . Um remotes are being considered ugly . F uh seventy fivepercent of the um people questioned uh indicated that they thought their remote were was ugly . Um and an additional eighty percent indicated that they wouldspend more money on a fancy-looking remote control . So {disfmarker} Um in addition remotes were not very functional . Fifty percent of the people indicatedthey only loo used about ten percent of the buttons on a remote control . And fifty percent of the people indicated that their remote tended to get lost in theirroom . SoUser Interface: Mm .Marketing: some things . Then we did some research to the most relevant functions . Channel selection and volume selection umboth got a ten on a scale of one to ten for relevancy . The power button got a nine . And teletext got a six and a half . So these are the most most uh importantfunctions on a remote control . Then there are some one-time use function . That's what I like to call them . That uh audio settings , video settings , and channelsettings buttons . Which are not really used very frequently , but are still considered to be of some importance . Um channel selection was also indicated to beused very frequently . One hundred and sixty eight times per hour . Then these are the {disfmarker} This is the market . Um sixty percent of the market consistsof users between the ages sixteen and forty f six . Um {disfmarker} Main characteristic of this group is that they're very critical on the remote control . Um theylike to use new f new functions . But they also are very critical . They won't spend their money very easily . So {disfmarker} Um the users of forty six to sixty fiveyears cons The make up forty percent of the market . They are not really very interested in features . But they do tend to spend their money a lot easier . What Ithink this indicates for our um design . I think we should make a remote for the future . And this means we would um have to focus on the age ages sixteen toforty five . Uh this also makes up most the biggest part of the market , so that will also be where our main profit would be gettable . Um this would mean wewould have to make a fancy design . Um {disfmarker} The results also indicated that um about one quarter of the people questioned thought that the remotecontrol caused R_S_ R_S_I_ . Um this is certainly something to take into account . And thirty four percent thought that it was hard to learn a n how to operate anew control , remote control . So these are two factors that I think should be included in the design . Besides of course that the remote must look very nice . Andthe functionality {disfmarker} As a lot of people indicated , they only use about ten percent of the buttons , I think we should make very few buttons . Uh this willalso be uh beneficial to the design of the remote . Uh I think the most frequently used buttons should be emphasised . Especially the channel selection and audiouh selection buttons . 'Cause they're used most and so they should be robust . They shouldn't break down easily . Um {disfmarker} Then as mo as a lot of peopleindicated that their um remote got lost in the room , it might be and I say might be because it would um certainly boost the uh production costs a lot . But itmight be a good idea to make a docking station . And this would , could get a button in it which would send a signal to the remote which would then beep . Soyou'd know where it is in the room . And in addition to this it could um recharge the batteries in the remote if you put it in . Then um a surprisingly great deal ofpeople w indicated that um an L_C_D_ screen in the remote control would be preferred . This was um mostly people in the age of sixteen to twenty five . But uptill forty five it remains feasible . This would also greatly increase the production costs but I think these are just some small factors we could consider .ProjectManager: Okay .Marketing: That would be all .Project Manager: Thank you . So anybody have um any questions until now ?Marketing: Any questions ?ProjectManager: About functional requirements ?User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: OkayIndustrial Designer: No .Project Manager: that's clear . {gap} Now tothe second .Marketing: 'Kay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Uh okay . Um I've been looking at uh the user interface of it . Um f forthe techno f functions uh of of it . Um {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah you can take your time .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: We've got uhplenty of time ,User Interface: Mm ?Marketing: YeahProject Manager: so {disfmarker}Marketing: you should go to the top thingy . Slide show .User Interface: Oh.Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: Uh .Project Manager: Yeah . There it is . Yeah .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: Oh yeah .User Interface: Um yeah . Ithink uh we uh must use the general functions uh of the uh remote control . Uh uh I've do I've uh done a little uh research on the internet and {gap} not muchinformation about it , {gap} {disfmarker} Um about uh interface but uh {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker} Yeah I I've been thinking about a simple manner uh to puta lot of functions uh uh in one um in one uh remote control . Uh so uh you've got a lot of devi uh devices like uh D_V_D_ uh uh television , uh stereo . So um{disfmarker} But uh it must be uh user-friendly . So um uh you c you can't put a a lot of uh functions uh in one uh {disfmarker} Yeah . Uh uh uh {disfmarker}Yeah . In one um remote control .Project Manager: One remote .User Interface: But um {disfmarker} Yeah .Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: Um yeah .Got uh many functions in one uh remote control , um but um yeah you can see , this is uh quite simple uh remote control .Project Manager: {vocalsound}UserInterface: Um few uh buttons but uh {disfmarker} This uh re uh remote control got a a lot of uh buttons . Um uh people uh don't like it , uh so um {disfmarker}Well what uh I was uh thinking about was um uh keep the general functions uh like they are . So uh like uh the on-off uh button . Uh keep it uh yeah l like a redbutton . Uh everybody everybody knows it so uh uh you don't have to change that . Um {disfmarker} My personal uh preferences um . Use a display for uhspecific uh functions of the different uh device . So um {disfmarker} Wh what I was th uh thinking about was um you've got um {disfmarker} Uh this the remotecontrol uh {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} {gap}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: and uh you got here the general functions , uhlike uh the on-off button uh sound uh {vocalsound} I dunno um {disfmarker} And um here you've got a s kind of a display . It's a touchscreen . So um yeah yougot a general f uh f the functions of the device uh for a D_V_D_ player or uh so um the pl yeah um f for uh playing uh reverse uh {gap} . And um you got here uhreal buttons for uh selecting uh a device . So um this button is for a D_V_D_ or {vocalsound} {disfmarker} So um for every um device you've got a uh a f a b apart uh display of a part buttons . So uh you you never got uh all the buttons uh on w one device .Project Manager: Hmm . {vocalsound}User Interface: So uhthat's uh my uh idea about it .Project Manager: 'Kay .User Interface: Um yeah and {disfmarker} Uh let's see . Uh yeah . So a touchscreen . Uh and um th thebuttons uh the real buttons uh we have to use um . We better c um uh use uh quite uh large buttons uh for um yeah . Everybody uh have to use it so{disfmarker} Uh ol even even old people um young people . So uh we must keep uh buttons uh quite s uh simple and quite large . So uh {disfmarker} Um{disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah . Uh yeah . That was uh my uh part of it .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: So{disfmarker}Project Manager: Anybody has questions about the technical functions ?Industrial Designer: WellProject Manager: {gap}Industrial Designer: I thinkif we are gonna use a touchscreen uh we're gonna go way above the twelve and a half Euros .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: N I I don't think so . Uh yougot uh quite a cheap uh touchscreen . S um it's uh not uh in colour or something .Project Manager: Touchscreen .User Interface: Uh it's just uh um one colo Uhyeah . Uh I seen uh w uh something on the internet uh not today but uh a few uh weeks ago . Uh you got uh yeah quite an uh a kind of uh touchscreen um andit's uh {vocalsound} for uh twenty uh Euros or uh less uh .Project Manager: Huh .User Interface: So it's possible .Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: 'Kay . That'snice . Uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Well it would certainly make a fancy design .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: But the{disfmarker} It wouldn't be very robust .Marketing: So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: It's very fragile and you can get scratches on it .Marketing: That is true"}
{"doc_id":"doc_68","qid":"","text":"Marketing: Oh right okay . {vocalsound} I cover myself up . {vocalsound}Project Manager: I feel like Madonna with one of these on . I said I feel like Madonnawith one of these on . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {gap} .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} I've alwayswanted one of these , I really have . {vocalsound} Where do you buy 'em from ? {vocalsound} They're {gap} .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Right . Hello everybody .User Interface: Hello .Project Manager: Back again for another wonderfulmeeting .Industrial Designer: {gap} .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Is uh everyone ready ?User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Almost .{vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay , we c we can hold on for a minute .Marketing: {vocalsound} Oh my gosh . {vocalsound} {gap}{vocalsound}Project Manager: I figured with the spam thing , if you can't beat it , join in . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: That's the kind of spam that everybody likes to receive .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:Mm 'kay .Project Manager: Are you ready ? Okay , right , well , I take it that you are all ready now .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um alright first offwe'll just uh recap from our last meeting . Um {vocalsound} which was we got together just to basically decide on {disfmarker} well to talk about what it is thatwe were actually uh supposed to be doing ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: and who we all are and stuff like that , mm get bit more of an idea togetherof what's going on . {vocalsound} Um what we are gonna talk about in this meeting is um now that we know what it is that we are doing , now we know that it'sa T_V_ remote and stuff and you guys have just been off doing some some uh R_ and D_ for that , that's research and development for those that haven't heardthat before ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: see I'm learning all sorts of new technologi terms in technology today . Umyeah , we're gonna hear your uh th three little presentations ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: whether they be on computer or on the whiteboard orwhatever you want .User Interface: Hmm . {vocalsound} Do you have any preference uh of order ?Project Manager: Um I'd like to um hearMarketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: o I'd like to hear who's g who's on the um from from uh Catherine actually first . I want {disfmarker} what I'd like to hear about isuh if we've finally decided on um what sort of energy we're gonna be using andIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Batteries .User Interface: I think sheis still finishing her {gap} . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: No no no no , it's fine I'm just preparing .Project Manager: It's just that {disfmarker} yeah , let'slet's hear from you first .Industrial Designer: Okay .User Interface: Hmm .Industrial Designer: Where is that thing ?User Interface: Okay , it's uh {vocalsound}{disfmarker}Marketing: It's here .Industrial Designer: Oh sorry , couldn't see .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Would that work ?Project Manager:Get yourself in position . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay , so that's me again .Marketing: Ah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Um so umfor the energy sources we can have a basic battery , a hand dynamo which is {disfmarker} which was used uh in the fifties for torches , if you remember thatkind of {disfmarker} which wouldn't be v wouldn't be v vProject Manager: I don't think any of us remember the fifties .User Interface: Is it like a crank thing orsomething {gap} .Industrial Designer: yeah , yeah . It wouldn't be very fancy .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: You can have a kinetic provision ofenergy , which is used on some watches these days . So if you have just a bit of gentle movement that {disfmarker} it will give it the energy to work .Marketing:Mm .Industrial Designer: Or you can use solar cells , but I'm not sure about that indoors , really , but {disfmarker}User Interface: Well , there's sometimescombinations , I mean , like calculators do combinations of battery with {disfmarker} but also using some solar power .Industrial Designer: Yeah .ProjectManager: Do {gap} sol solar panel things , do they have to work from the sun or can they work from a light bulb ?Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: Doesanybody know ?Industrial Designer: I dunno actually .User Interface: Uh I think , it has to be on the on the solar energy , but I don't know .Industrial Designer: Idunno . Um . Think the the uh what would cost the less would be the basic battery , really .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: And uh if we wantsomething fancier , I think the kinetic provision of energy could be nice ,Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: but I don't know if it's worth the cost . So we've gotto discuss that .Project Manager: Mm . Okay , jolly good .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} For the case of the remotes itself , um they can be a general case ,which is just a flat one . You can have uh a curved one or a double curved one , if you know what I mean , so {disfmarker}Project Manager: What's a doublecurved one ?Industrial Designer: You know , kind of more ergonomic , that kind of suits the palm of your hand , that kind of thing .Project Manager: Okay.Industrial Designer: So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Um then the case material itself , so it can be uh uh either plastic or latex , uh rubber , wood , or titanium .And th for each of them you have uh cases where {disfmarker} for example titanium , you can't use it for {disfmarker} if you if we're choosing a double curvedcase , we can't choose titanium . And if we are choosing um solar cells then we can't choose latex for the case material , so we just have to take that into account. But if we're choosing just the flat case then we can go for anything . And I think we discussed earlier on the R_ S_ I_ problem thing , so we could uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: So that might be an idea of using the rubber ,Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: but then it should , you know{disfmarker}User Interface: Let's have a squeezable remote . {vocalsound}Project Manager: yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah . And also it doesn't break as easilymaybe ,Project Manager: {gap} when a T_V_ programme's got one {gap}Industrial Designer: I dunno {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: watching the match and {gap} your team's just lost , you can fuzz it across the room and it'll bounce off the wall back at you .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah , I like that idea .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: So rubber would be{disfmarker} Okay .Marketing: I think rubber's {disfmarker}Project Manager: Rubber , we're all we're all going {disfmarker} we're all liking that idea ? You thinkyou can market that ?Marketing: But after my after my fashion thing , I think you'll realise that rubber is more {disfmarker}Project Manager: Ooh , we like rubber, ooh . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh s so if dMarketing: People . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: okay . And then there are the push-buttons , so youcan have basic push-buttons or a scroll-wheels , like you have on a mouse , um or you could have um L_C_D_ , which gives you a display . Um scroll buttons , aswell .Project Manager: Uh-huh .Industrial Designer: So if you use a rubber double curved case , you must use rubber push-buttons . So if we're going for rubberthen we have to decide for the case . Um and if we choose double curved then we have to go for rubber push-buttons .Project Manager: Well , we're gonna gowith {gap} I think we've decided that it's gonna be a rubber case so {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: So it's a constraint . Yeah , but is it a double curved one ornot ? {vocalsound} If it's not a double curved , then we've got the choice for the push-buttons , if it's a double curve , we've gotta go for rubber push-buttons . Ifthat makes sense .Project Manager: {gap} push buttons instead of the wheel ?Industrial Designer: Yeah . {gap} .User Interface: If it's rubber , isn't it malleableanyway , {gap} it doesn't matter if it's double {disfmarker} I mean isn't a rubber case , mean it's completely flexed , I mean , it it flexes to whatever they want itto ? Mean so what's the difference between a normal rubber case and a rubble doub double {disfmarker} rubber double curved case ? {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {gap} rubble double double . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: No , but na le you see , you've got , okay , the energy that's one thing ,ProjectManager: I'll have a Big Mac , please . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: then you have the case is uh , whether it's flat or curved . And that's {disfmarker}{vocalsound} we don't care if it's rub rubber or not , but then we've decided that we going for rubber for the case material . So if we've chosen rub rubber and ifnow we have the choice for the case whether it's flat , single curved or double curved . And I'm just saying if it {disfmarker} if we choose it to be double curvedthen we need to go {disfmarker} I dunno why , but we need to go for uh rubber push-buttons . So , either {disfmarker}User Interface: Okay .IndustrialDesigner: I dunno we just need to decide on the on the case .Project Manager: Let's have rubber push buttons , hey .User Interface: Okay . Go rubber . Gorubber the whole way .Industrial Designer: Let's go crazy . {vocalsound} And then , do I have a last slide ? Yes , I do . Um so the push-buttons themselves theycan be just simple or they can be {disfmarker} so that's just the electronics between the but behind the push-buttons .Project Manager: Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: Um and the price that go with it with it , so the simple push-buttons are gonna be the cheapest . Uh if we get a scroll-wheel , that's a higher price range. If we get an advanced chip which is um used for the L_C_D_ , the display thing , then that's even more expensive .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Simple , yeah. Chip on print . It's a bit {gap} . {vocalsound} Okay , uh what I'm not understanding hereIndustrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: {vocalsound} is uh , okay ,advanced chip on print , which I presume is like one P_C_B_ and that's got all the electronics on one board including the um infra-red sender ?IndustrialDesigner: {gap} . Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: The infra-red . Yeah .Project Manager: Right . Um what a what alternatives do we have tothat ? {vocalsound} Y um {vocalsound} what alternatives do we have to the chip on print ?Industrial Designer: Well , if if it's not chip on print then , I guess , youget different chip components , and you build them separately and doesn't include the infra-red . It's less expensive mm {disfmarker}Project Manager:{vocalsound} so it sounds {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Technically speaking , it's not as advanced , but it does the job , too . {vocalsound}Project Manager:So , why would we not go for that ? If it's something that's inside the the unit . {vocalsound} I it doesn't affects whether the customer's gonna buy it or not.Industrial Designer: Fo It doesn't , yeah , yeah , yeah . Totally . Yeah .Project Manager: Um we wanna go for an i i all {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So let's"}
{"doc_id":"doc_69","qid":"","text":"Professor C: Starts {disfmarker} No . No .PhD D: No . That 's a different thing .Professor C: There 's another {disfmarker} I don't know . It starts with a P orsomething . I forget the word for it , but it 's {disfmarker} it 's umPhD D: Oh .Professor C: Typically when you {disfmarker} you 're ab r starting around forty formost people , it starts to harden and then it 's just harder for the lens to shift thingsPhD D: Oh .Professor C: and th the {disfmarker} the symptom is typicallythat you {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you have to hold stuff uh uh further away to {disfmarker} to see it .PhD E: Uh - huh . Yeah .Professor C: In fact , uh m mybrother 's a {pause} gerontological psychologist and he {disfmarker} he uh {vocalsound} came up with an {disfmarker} an uh {disfmarker} a uh body age testwhich uh gets down to sort of only three measurements that are good enough st statistical predictors of all the rest of it . And one of them is {disfmarker} is thedistance {vocalsound} that you have to hold it at .PhD D: Give someone a piece of paper and then they {disfmarker} Oh .PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: Yeah .GradA: We 're {disfmarker} we 're live by the way , so we 've got a good intro hereProfessor C: Oh . Yeah . About how old I am .Grad A: Yep .Professor C: OK .GradA: We can edit that out if you want .PhD D: Oh , that 's optional .Professor C: No , that 's OK .Grad A: OK . So . This time the form discussion should be veryshort ,PhD D: You know .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Grad A: right ?Professor C: It also should be {pause} later .Grad A: OK .Professor C: Because Jane uh is not here yet.Grad A: Good point .Professor C: And uh she 'll be most interested in that . Uh , she 's probably least involved in the signal - processing stuff so maybe we canjust {disfmarker} just uh , I don't think we should go though an elaborate thing , but um uh Jose and I were just talking about {vocalsound} the uh{nonvocalsound} uh , speech e energy thing ,PhD E: The @ @ {disfmarker}Professor C: and I uh {disfmarker}PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: We didn't talk about thederivatives . But I think , you know , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} i if I can {disfmarker} if you don't mind my {disfmarker} my speaking for you for a bit ,um {vocalsound} Uh . Right now , that he 's not really showing any kind of uh distinction , but uh {disfmarker} but we discussed a couple of the possible thingsthat uh he can look at . Um . And uh one is that uh this is all in log energy and log energy is basically compressing the distances {vocalsound} uh {pause}between things . Um {pause} Another is that he needs to play with the {disfmarker} the different uh {pause} uh temporal sizes . He was {disfmarker} he{disfmarker} he was taking everything over two hundred milliseconds uh , and uh he 's going to vary that number and also look at moving windows , as wediscussed before . Um And uh {disfmarker} and the other thing is that the {disfmarker} yeah doing the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} subtracting off the mean andthe variance in the {disfmarker} {pause} uh and dividing it by the {pause} standard deviation in the log domain , {vocalsound} may not be {pause} the rightthing to do .Grad A: Hi Jane !PhD E: Hi .Grad A: We just started .PhD E: Yeah .Grad A: Could you take that mike there ?PhD D: Are these the long term means ?Like , over the whole {disfmarker} I mean , the means of {pause} what ?Grad A: Thanks .Professor C: Uh B Between {disfmarker} between {disfmarker}PhD D:All the frames in the conversation ?Professor C: No .PhD D: Or of things that {disfmarker}Professor C: Between {disfmarker} Neither . It 's uh between thepauses {pause} uh for some segment .PhD E: No .PhD D: Oh .Professor C: And so i i his {disfmarker} his {disfmarker} He 's making the constraint it has to be atleast two hundred milliseconds .PhD D: Oh .Professor C: And so you take that . And then he 's {disfmarker} he 's uh measuring at the frame level {disfmarker}still at the frame level , of what {disfmarker}PhD D: Right .Professor C: and then {disfmarker} and then just uh normalizing with that larger amount . um and{disfmarker} But one thing he was pointing out is when he {disfmarker} he looked at a bunch of examples in log domain , it is actually pretty hard to see{vocalsound} the change . And you can sort of {pause} see that , because of j of just putting it on the board that {vocalsound} if you sort of have log - X plus log- X , that 's the log of X plus the log of twoPhD E: Yep .PhD D: Yeah , maybe it 's not log distributed .PhD E: Mmm . Yeah .Professor C: and it 's just , {pause} youknow , it {disfmarker} it diminishes the {pause} effect of having two of them .PhD E: Professor C: Um .PhD D: But you could do like a C D F there instead ? Imean , we don't know that the distribution here is normally .Professor C: Yes , right . So {disfmarker} So what I was suggesting to him is that {disfmarker}PhDD: So just some kind of a simple {disfmarker}Professor C: Actually , a PDF . But , you know , uh But , either way .PhD D: PDFProfessor C: Yeah . Yeah , eith eithuh {vocalsound} BPhD D: Yeah .PhD E: Yeah .PhD D: Something like that where it 's sort of data driven .Professor C: Yeah , but I think {pause} also u I think agood first indicator is when the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the researcher looks at {vocalsound} examples of the data and can not see a change {pause} inhow big the {disfmarker} the signal is , {vocalsound} when the two speaker {disfmarker}PhD E: Yeah . Yeah .Professor C: Then , that 's a problem right there .So . I think you should at least be able ,PhD D: Oh yeah .Professor C: doing casual looking and can get the sense , \" Hey , there 's something there . \" and thenyou can play around with the measures . And when he 's looking in the log domain he 's not really seeing it .PhD D: Oh yeah .PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: So . Andwhen he 's looking in straight energy he is , so that 's a good place to start .PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: Um . So that was {disfmarker} that was the discussion wejust had . Um . {vocalsound} The other thing Actually we ca had a question for Adam in this . Uh , when you did the {vocalsound} sampling ? uh {pause} overthe {pause} speech segments or s or sampling over the {disfmarker} the individual channels in order to do the e uh the {pause} amplitude equalization ,{vocalsound} did you do it over just the entire {disfmarker} everything in the mike channels ?PhD E: How {disfmarker}Professor C: You didn't try to find speech?Grad A: No , I just took over the entire s uh entire channel um {pause} sampled ten minutes randomly .Professor C: Right , OK . So then that means thatsomeone who didn't speak {pause} very much {vocalsound} would be largely represented by silence .Grad A: Yep .Professor C: And someone who would{disfmarker} who would be {disfmarker} So the normalization factor probably is {pause} i i i {pause} is {disfmarker} is {disfmarker}Grad A: Yeah , this wasquite quick and dirty , and it was just for {pause} listening .PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: Yeah .Grad A: And for listening it seems to work really well .Professor C:OK .PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: Yeah .PhD E: Yeah .Grad A: So .Professor C: Yeah . But that 's {disfmarker}Grad A: But , it 's not {disfmarker} Not a goodmeasure .Professor C: Right . So thPhD E: Yeah .Professor C: OK . So yeah there {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} There 's a good chancethen given that different people do talk different amounts {pause} that there is {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} there is still a lot more to be gained from gainnorm normalization with some sortPhD E: Yeah . Yeah . Mmm .Grad A: Yes , absolutely .Professor C: if {disfmarker} if we can figure out a way to do it .PhD E:Yeah .Professor C: Uh . But we were agreed that in addition to that {comment} uh there should be {pause} s stuff related to pitch and harmonics and so forth.PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: So we didn't talk at all about uh the other derivatives , but uh again just {disfmarker} just looking at {disfmarker} Uh , I think uh Lizhas a very good point , that in fact it would be much more graphic just to show {disfmarker} Well , actually , you do have some distributions here , uh for thesecases .PhD E: Yeah . Yeah .Professor C: You have some histograms , um {pause} and {pause} uh , they don't look very separate .PhD E: Yeah .Professor C: uh{vocalsound} {pause} separated .PhD E: This is the {disfmarker} the first derivate of log of frame energy uh without any kind of normalization .PhD D: What{disfmarker}Professor C: Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .PhD D: Log energy . Sorry .PhD E: These the These are the {disfmarker} the first experiments uh with commentuhPhD D: Frame energy .Grad A: Except that {pause} it 's hard to judge this because the {disfmarker} they 're not normalized . It 's just number of frames .PhDD: Yeah .Professor C: Yeah .PhD D: Yeah .PhD E: Yeah .Grad A: But yeah , even so .PhD D: W {vocalsound} I mean , what I meant is , even if you use linear ,{pause} you know , raw {pause} measures , like {pause} raw energy or whatever ,Professor C: \" Number \" {disfmarker}PhD D: maybe we shouldn't make anyassumptions about the distribution 's shape , and just use {disfmarker} you know , use the distribution to model the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {pause} themean , or what y you know , rather than the mean take some {disfmarker}Professor C: Yeah . But {disfmarker} And so in {disfmarker} in these he 's got that.PhD D: Yeah .Professor C: He 's got some pictures . But he doesn't {disfmarker} he doesn't in the {disfmarker} he iPhD E: Yeah .Professor C: just in derivatives, but not in the {disfmarker}PhD D: Yeah . Oh .Professor C: but he d but he doesn't {disfmarker} doesn't {disfmarker}PhD D: Right . So , we don't {pause}know what they look like {pause} on the , {pause} tsk {disfmarker} {comment} For the raw .Professor C: But he didn't h have it for the energy . He had it forthe derivatives . Yeah .PhD D: Yeah . So . I mean , there might be something there . I don't know .Professor C: Yeah .PhD D: Huh .Grad A: InterestingPhD E:Here I {disfmarker} IProfessor C: Oh that {disfmarker} yeah that 's a good qPhD E: in {disfmarker} No I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I haven't theresultProfessor C: did {disfmarker} did you have this sort of thing , for just the {disfmarker} just the l r uh the {disfmarker} the unnormalized log energy ? OK .Yeah . So she {disfmarker} she 's right .PhD E: but it 's the {disfmarker} it 's the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the following .Professor C: That 's a{disfmarker}PhD D: Well it might be just good to know what it looks like .Professor C: Yeah . That 's {disfmarker} That 's uh {pause} cuz I 'd mentioned scatterplots before but she 's right ,PhD D: Cuz {disfmarker}PhD E: Huh ?Professor C: I mean , even before you get the scatter plots , just looking at a single feature{vocalsound} uh , looking at the distribution , is a good thing to do .PhD E: Yeah . Catal - uh {disfmarker} Combining the different possibilities of uh theparameters . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I mean the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the scatter plot {pause} combining eh different {pause} ntwo combination .Professor C: Yeah , but {disfmarker} but what she 's saying {pause} is , which is right , is {pause} lePhD E: combination of two , {pause} ofenergy and derivate {disfmarker}Professor C: I mean , let 's start with the {disfmarker} Before we get complicated , let 's start with the most basic wh thing ,"}
{"doc_id":"doc_70","qid":"","text":"Marketing: It's Play-Doh .Project Manager: Play-Doh's edible . Did you know that ? It's definitely {disfmarker}Marketing: Because kids {disfmarker} yeah.Industrial Designer: I used to eat it .User Interface: I've , I've definitely eaten it before . I didn't know was edible . {vocalsound} {gap} .Project Manager: Yeah .It's it's chew proof . {vocalsound}Marketing: But um , it's it's made edible 'cause , yeah . It's made edible 'cause kids eat it ,Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing:and if it's wasn't edible then {disfmarker} Well , normal babies . {vocalsound}User Interface: Actually that makes sense , because I remember like , peopl Idunno if my Mom ever did it but I remember other people's Moms making like home-made Play-Doh where you just like make the {gap} colouring and makesome sort of sort of dough .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Oh yeah it is , yeah . Oh yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Right .User Interface: Mm-hmm.Project Manager: Everybody everybody ready ?Industrial Designer: Yep .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay , let's have your um {disfmarker} let's get{gap} have the uh presentation ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: We've got some {gap} .Industrial Designer: We've got a cool prototype .UserInterface: Yeah , it's pretty exciting . So , everything uh that we wanted we wanted it to be ergonomic and to be made out of rubber , very simple and easy to use,Industrial Designer: Double curved .Project Manager: Nice .User Interface: yeah , double curved ,Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: um but also somethingthat was gonna jump out at people , something that would be different uh , separate it from the other remotes out on the market . So uh I think if you put this inthe palm of your hand , you'll see what a nice thing we have going here .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: That is cool .User Interface: So , basically , ifyou hold it like that , the one on your thumb , yeah , {vocalsound} the thumb button is the power button .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .User Interface:Your index finger is channel up , middle finger is channel down , ring finger is volume up , your pinkie is volume down .Marketing: What's the big blue thing ?UserInterface: That's the lock button , has a L_ L_ on itMarketing: Oh cool .User Interface: and then the M_ is a mute button . And then it also has digitProjectManager: {gap} what button ? Um . Oh mute .User Interface: For muting the uh {disfmarker}Marketing: And mute .User Interface: Um and then then you canalso {disfmarker} there's a numeric keypad on the top so you can key directly to the to the channel if you want .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay.User Interface: So it's really basic functionalities as far as what keys are available , but we think it's very comfortable and very innovative and it looks different.Project Manager: That certainly does .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: So all the , I mean the important keys are right at your f f you know right at uh ata convenient place for you to to access them .Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: Which is ant anti-R_S_I_ .User Interface: So you don't you {disfmarker}Yeah . It should be .Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: And it's also conformable to the size of your hand . I mean if that's too big , it's a rubber remote , soyou can , you knowProject Manager: Yeah . 'S great .User Interface: change that . So d does that uh what {disfmarker} mesh with what you guys were hopingand for and expecting or does it {disfmarker}Marketing: Oh it's so cute .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I have one thing about it , but it's asmall thing , but it'd mean we'd have to make a right-handed one and a left-handed one .Industrial Designer: Oh right , yeah .User Interface: Ah , that's goodthinking , yeah .Project Manager: But , that's I don't see why that's not possible .User Interface: Yeah , if we build rocket ships why can't we build left-handedand right-handed uh remotes .Project Manager: Yeah . {gap} They make left-handed scissors , you know . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah , Ididn't I didn't think about that , but I'd {disfmarker} yeah , {gap} .Marketing: Yeah , but then but then you can learn to use your right h like I was just thinking ifthere's left-handers and right-handers in the family , what , they have two remotes ?Project Manager: Yes sIndustrial Designer: Yeah , I know I know people whohave left-handed and right-handed people in the family and they all use the computer {vocalsound} for the whole {disfmarker} the same computer the fes familyand they have a mouse , and everybody is using right-handed mouse .Project Manager: Mm . Sure . Sure .Marketing: Yeah , I'm sure they'll be able to{disfmarker}User Interface: Uh-huh .Marketing: I mean it's only pressing buttons , you don't have to do anything , you know , extraordinary . I think everybodycan press a button with their left and right hand so {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Imagine d are you right handed ?Project Manager:Yeah .Industrial Designer: Imagine you're doing it with your left hand , I don't think it's too {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah , it's not {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: But we can have both uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah . Have them in stock .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Make 'emmore appealing as well .Project Manager: But um other than that , I mean uh and that's um , you know , that's just something , I think I think it's great , yeah ,great idea .User Interface: Do you think it says {vocalsound} R_R_ ?Industrial Designer: {gap} I think it does . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: I think it's , well , if the R_R_ motto is , we bring fashion to to electronics , I'd say that could be quite fashionable .User Interface: Fashion to electronics. Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah . And it's got the b the black and yellow and blue .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface:Plus red , which is sort of a a fruit and vegetable uh uh .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: {gap} . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} There you go .User Interface: So that's that's {vocalsound} our end of things wha uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah , very good , yeah .UserInterface: That's {disfmarker}Project Manager: It's come up with what we've you know , the things that's what we've {disfmarker} what we were looking atdoing , hasn't it , {gap} all seems to be there .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Well done .Marketing: And all the playing around is uh {disfmarker}ProjectManager: Um before we move on {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah , I'm just {disfmarker} do you wanna plug in ?Project Manager: I need that cable .Marketing:Okay .Project Manager: Thank you . Yeah . Um . One thing I do need to do {disfmarker} we need to look at , is the costs .User Interface: The costs , was thatwhat you said ?Industrial Designer: Play-Doh is very cheap . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well , yeah . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:Mm .Project Manager: {gap} um {disfmarker}Marketing: Play-Doh won't last very long everybody'll go like , oops , it's gone . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}UserInterface: But it's edible .Marketing: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Chew proof .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Well , they'll buy more ofthem if you eat them , {gap} .User Interface: That was the main criteria from the last meeting , it had to be chew proof .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Yeah . Uh right . {vocalsound} Okay , now I think we'll do this {disfmarker} I could do {disfmarker} you know , I can do this o on my own or I could doit with you ,Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Oh ho-ho .Project Manager: but it's just easy enough to go through it with you , so we're going for the kineticpower .Industrial Designer: Yep .Project Manager: {vocalsound} And the electronics , we decided on it being just a simple , the easiest thing that's inside it . Ooh.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So {disfmarker} the case , we've gone for the double curved . Um and it's made out of rubber .{vocalsound} The interface is push-buttons . And button supplements well they're in diff special colours , aren't they ?Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: So{gap} special colours .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: It's better for {disfmarker}Project Manager: Special form , yeah , they're a special form there in shapesand stuff .User Interface: Yeah , I mean , {vocalsound} these these ones on the side are curved kind of , so {disfmarker}Marketing: And special material .ProjectManager: Yep . Yeah . Um . Are they made out of any special material ?Industrial Designer: Rubber .Project Manager: No they're not . They're not made out ofwood or titanium or rubber or anything , they're just simple {disfmarker}User Interface: The buttons are rubber .Marketing: Well they're rubber , aren't they?Project Manager: Okay . Right .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: So let's see if that comes within budget . And it does . That is gonna cost uh{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {gap} .Marketing: We're under budget .Project Manager: Yeah . That's gonna cost ten ten Euro seventy cents a unit to make .And our target was it had to come in at under twelve fifty .User Interface: That's cool . Yeah . Yeah .Project Manager: So ,User Interface: And we're actua actuallymaking a better profit than we expected .Project Manager: this is all very very good . The bosses will be very pleased .User Interface: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Okay , let's just save this so I can e-mail it to you . Uh .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Save it in {gap} save it in the uh{vocalsound} my documents .Marketing: It's already saved , I think .Project Manager: Splendid . Okay . So uh , that's {gap} done with this with this um doodah ,so you're {gap} . Gonna do {disfmarker} what you were gonna do ,Marketing: Thank you . Mm .Project Manager: your evaluation .Marketing: Oh , yeah . This iswhere we all get to {vocalsound} I get to write on the , oops , on the board . Right .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Oh . 'S function{disfmarker}Project Manager: F_ eight .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: {gap} I love the smell of that Play-Doh .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah ,ProjectManager: {vocalsound} I cou {gap} . {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm .User Interface: have some have some .Marketing: Okay . So , {vocalsound} evaluation .We're gonna do it all together so we evaluate each criteria . I've got the criterias . And we have to do it on a scale of one to seven , one being true , so it's it'smore like it's {disfmarker} fits the criteria , and seven being as in it doesn't fit the criteria . And the criterias are , and I'll draw this up on the board {disfmarker}{vocalsound} so we have a box {disfmarker} {gap} . And this is false , this is just like to keep you informed . So seven's here and one's here and then you've gotin the middle . {vocalsound} So the first criteria . Do you all get what we're doing ?Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Okay ,cool . Okay , first criteria , look and feel . So the does remote look and feel fashionable to what we talked about ? As it {disfmarker} is it colour-wise and is itspongy ?User Interface: Mm .Marketing: So what mark should we give for that ?Project Manager: I would give it a seven .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: As in"}
{"doc_id":"doc_71","qid":"","text":"Industrial Designer: {gap} .User Interface: Hello {vocalsound} . 'Kay .Project Manager: You all saw the newsflash ?Industrial Designer: It's {disfmarker}ProjectManager: Or you got the same message ?Marketing: Yeah I I just saw it one minute ago .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah sorry .Industrial Designer: I don'tknow .Marketing: When I uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: I didn't see it yet I think .User Interface: Newsflash ? D did I miss something ?Marketing:{vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah I received an email so I thought I I can't mail you so I thought I'd just drop it in the folder , but{disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah pretty much .Industrial Designer: Hey what's wrong with my computer ?User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: Is it unlocked ?UserInterface: No .Industrial Designer: {gap} .Marketing: Mm . Yeah that's my presentation . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Woah . I uh kind of opened it {gap}.User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer: Huh ?Marketing: Mm ?Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: What the {disfmarker}Marketing: Oh right.User Interface: I think you have to uh change your desktop uhProject Manager: Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: size .Marketing: Ooh .{vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay . Everybody ready ?Industrial Designer: Not really .Marketing: Well {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Sorry .Project Manager:No no no . Yes yes yes .User Interface: {gap} computer is uh not functioning ?Marketing: Alright .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .Industrial Designer:Okay . Where do I find this ? I'm not so g display huh ?User Interface: Uh display .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: And then uh settings ?IndustrialDesigner: Appearance ?Marketing: Huh .User Interface: Mm I'm not sure I {gap} .Marketing: {vocalsound} You read the newsflash ? {vocalsound}ProjectManager: 'Kay . Can we get startedUser Interface: No .Industrial Designer: No what was it about ?Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: or is there some pressingissue ?Industrial Designer: Yeah my computer is not functioning properly .Project Manager: Oh no pressing .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Did you plug in the power cable when you come back ?Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah . No but my screen is reducedin size . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah . That's difficult . Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: What ? {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Feedback .Marketing: Hmm .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Okay .Marketing: {gap} alt delete . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound} Format . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Format save .Marketing: {gap} . So it doesn't draw the attention away .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: This is dreadful .User Interface: Imade uh uh my own map .Project Manager: Oh yeah sure .Industrial Designer: No not this , but the task .User Interface: It's a {disfmarker}Project Manager: Youhave Playstation also ?User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound} No that's okay . No I just flapped it , closed it , took it hereand then this happened . Ah . Uh {disfmarker} where was it ? In settings ? Okay . Alright . Thank you .Project Manager: Huh .Industrial Designer: Do you guyslike your tasks ?User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I spent a lot of time thinking about what I was gonna do and then acouple of minutes before this I get my function you know the information that I need .User Interface: Yeah wa wa you actually {disfmarker} Yeah . But it it's notclear what you have to to to type uh type in your presentation .Industrial Designer: So frustrating .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: So{disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah . I I had a whole idea and then just was typing it and then oh . I have to do that so switch .Industrial Designer: Yeah {disfmarker}Yeah exactly . This presentation is mainly based on my own ideas 'cause I hadn't time to intergrate tha the information yet so {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah.Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: Really annoying .Project Manager: Okay . So there we are again .Marketing: By your humble P_M_ .Project Manager: Yeah.Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay this is the agenda . Um we have three presentations , I heard .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Really .{vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah really . {vocalsound} So who wants to start ?Marketing: Yeah that's fine {gap} .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Wehave to start it right away ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah . Uh this is you ?Marketing: Functional ? Yeah functional requirements .Project Manager: 'Kay.Marketing: Alright . I'm gonna talk about functional requirements . Um {disfmarker} Well uh some research has be done uh has been done . Uh observing of onehundred uh subjects in the usability lab using a remote control . Uh and they also filled in a questionnaire . The findings were um , well you can see them foryourself . They disliked the look-and-feel of current remotes controls . {vocalsound} Users think they're ugly . Um {vocalsound} they do not match the theoperating behaviour of the users . So they they d they don't match what they want to have on it . Um {vocalsound} they are often lost somewhere in the room .Um it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control . And they're bad for R_S_I_ . {vocalsound} I don't know uh how a user can reach that butokay . Um {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: TsMarketing: there is also uh was also some research on uh the most relevant and and and irrelevant uh f functions .Uh most irrelevant and less used were audio settings , mono , stereo , uh pitch , bass . Um screen settings for brightness and colour and stuff like that . Um butthey are used . I mean the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: So they do need to be in the {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah they do need tobe on the on the remote control .Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: I mean if you can't control the the sound settings {disfmarker} I mean if you dislike avery uh loud bass or something , you you need to change that .Project Manager: {vocalsound} {gap} often .Marketing: So um yeah we have to .IndustrialDesigner: By the way my T_V_ doesn't have an equ equaliser butMarketing: We c we c Yeah I mean w we can't {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Nextgeneration does . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {disfmarker} okay .Marketing: my my T_V_ has ,Industrial Designer: No . {vocalsound} Alright .Marketing:but we we can leave them uh away . Uh most relevant , uh most used functions , uh they speak for themselves I guess . Uh power button , uh channel , volumeselection . Uh teletext but we can skip that because I saw the newsflash , and teletext is so outdated that it it's i should not be used uh any more in the future.Project Manager: N not used anymore .Marketing: So forget this one .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: Uh channel settings , so for programming uh yourchannels in in the right order .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: By the way where did you guys get that newsflash from ?User Interface: Yeah .{vocalsound} I was wondering uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: I didn't get anything .Marketing: Yeah , {vocalsound} on on the project uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah . Not by mail . I receiv the mail but you don't . So {disfmarker}User Interface: But you you've got more information than{disfmarker} uh .Marketing: No so it's a text file n in the project folder . So teletext can be skipped .Project Manager: That's in the presentation , so{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: Um there was some research on new features in a remote control . Uh about an L_C_D_ screen uh andspeech recognition . Well we got an update for the for the audience . Or the the the targeted group . So it's above forty I guess .Project Manager: Uh below Ibelieve .Marketing: The new product ? Or below {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah below forty .Marketing: because that's pretty relevant .Project Manager:Mm-hmm .Marketing: I thought I read a {disfmarker}Project Manager: Our current customers are in the age group forty plus .Marketing: Yeah ?Project Manager:And the new product should reach new markets , which is the customers below forty .Marketing: Below ? Okay well {vocalsound}User Interface: But where didyou get uh that information ?Project Manager: That's in a newsflash .Marketing: that's that's in the newsflaProject Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Okay .{vocalsound}Marketing: okay that's a good to know . Um because you see see a clear distinction between the age groups , concerning the features .UserInterface: Yeah .Marketing: I mean uh above forty people are not so interested uh not so interested in a screen or speech recognition . Uh but below that agethey uh they pretty much are . So I think we can build that in . Um {disfmarker} Yeah well we can skip this part as well , because I thought I read above forty sowe could skip the features , but we just have to build them in because uh they find it very interesting . Um well we have to keep all the classic functions but makethe buttons as user-friendly as possible . Um and and also there's {disfmarker} so not only the design of the bus uh buttons but o how you can push them , andstuff like that . So the physical uh aspect of it . Um {disfmarker} And I think {disfmarker} and certainly for for the for the lower age groups , uh nice design ,which uh does not make the remote control {gap} in your room .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: It's it's actually a part of your interior , of of your design in yourroom . So it's {vocalsound} the people can say , well what's that , well that's my remote control , so it's d it has to look nice and feel nice , and and have all thefunctions that uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah . But it also needs to have corporate identity .Marketing: Yeah so the the logo has to beProject Manager:Present and the colours .Marketing: uh present yeah , and the colours as well .Project Manager: {vocalsound} So we can't change much of that .IndustrialDesigner: Do we have {disfmarker} uh yeah {gap} .Marketing: Yeah so but I I don't think that's that's a problem because the thing has to have a colour anyway, and most of the times there is a brand present on it .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Yeah . Yeah .Marketing: So I think that's not gonna gonna affect itvery uh very much .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Well that are the the consequences uh on a marketing uh part .Project Manager: {vocalsound} 'Kay.Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: Yes .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: It's open already so you can use {gap} toMarketing: {gap} .ProjectManager: find yours .User Interface: Mm . It's {disfmarker}Project Manager: F_ five .User Interface: F_ five . Okay .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Go Jurgen.User Interface: Oh . What is this ?Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Oh no . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: How do I uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} You pressed alt F_ four ? {vocalsound}User Interface: No no no . I pressed the mouse button .Project Manager: Oh"}
{"doc_id":"doc_72","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay . Uh door is closed . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well , let's begin . Because if we have as much timeas the last uh meeting , we'll have to hurry up .Marketing: I'm listening .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Right .Project Manager: Um well I'll startwith the presentation again , the agenda .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Great .Project Manager: Yo . So . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Uh{disfmarker} {vocalsound} This one I think .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh yeah . Well alright . Um well , I'll show you the notes .It's not as uh interesting as it should be because we just uh had the meeting ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: but I'll show them . We'll get yourpresentations again on the conceptual design . Um {disfmarker} Then we'll have to dec decide about the control , the remote control concepts . I've put a f uh afile in the project management folder , which says exactly uh what kind of decisions we should take .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So{vocalsound} this time we exactly know what to decide about .Marketing: {vocalsound} Alright , great .Project Manager: And then we'll close again .IndustrialDesigner: Alright .Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker} Well these are some examples , but we'll talk about them later . We'll {vocalsound} first look at your uhpresentations . Alright ?Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Walter will uh start again this time ?Marketing: Yeah , great .Project Manager: Yo.Marketing: Alright , Trendwatch .Project Manager: 'Kay .Marketing: {gap}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Right . I will speak about uh latest trendstrends , latest fashion updates , and uh things we must not do .Project Manager: 'Kay .Marketing: Uh the trends . {vocalsound} It's very important that uh thecontrol is fancy looking and good uh feeling . Uh this because of our last model was very functional , but {vocalsound} it uh people didn't like that , so our newmo model must be very good-looking . That's uh something you uh have to take a look at .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm . Alright .Marketing: And uh the feelinghas to be very great . Also the menus and things like that they have to they have to feel great .Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: Um there's a minus uh twotimes here , because this is the most important point . This is uh two times as less important ,Project Manager: Less . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: and uh same for this one . {vocalsound} Um , technological technological innovations , that's uh regarded very highly too .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Uh such as an uh L_C_D_ screen , uh speech uh acknowledgement , as we uh talked about earlier .Project Manager: Well ,yeah .Marketing: So we have to have uh something like that , like we uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: L_C_D_ and our uh our fronts .Marketing: Right .{vocalsound} Uh the last point is easy to use . Well I think that uh speaks for s for itself . I don't know who's uh who's going to look at that .Industrial Designer:Easy to use ?Project Manager: Well , easy to use uh s is a bit uh contradictionary with the first uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah ?Industrial Designer: I thinkthat's your taUser Interface: {gap}Project Manager: Functional is not an issue , and then easy to use .Marketing: Yeah , I know .Project Manager: Well we haveto choose one of them . {vocalsound}Marketing: I think we have to go for the first one .Project Manager: Yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm.Marketing: It's the most important one . So {gap} we have to uh take that one .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: So it it {vocalsound} it isn't very importantthat {vocalsound} that it works easy .User Interface: Well something fancy looking can be can be easy to use .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} But {vocalsound} it has to look great .Project Manager: Yeah . We'll we'll look at uh {gap} .Industrial Designer: You {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah ,yeah ,Marketing: We'll see . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: you can make a very complicated uh uh remote anyway , so ease of use {disfmarker}{vocalsound} It's not a very comp complicated device .Marketing: Yeah , right . But the most important thing is that it looks great and people say {gap} wow ,that's real great uh great concept .Project Manager: 'Kay .Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: Alright . Uh these are the new colours of this year .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: So it must be very bright , very colourful .Project Manager: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: People like this .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: So we we have to thinkuh in this direction .Project Manager: So {disfmarker}Marketing: So i set your mind to it .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well{disfmarker}Marketing: Findings ? Fashion update ? Fruit and vegetables are cool .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Uh you think ?Marketing: I am told .{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: The group we are targeting is uh very pleased with fruit and vegetables.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: So {vocalsound} we we we might cons consider in front of uh in in that sort of uh way .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah , well {disfmarker}User Interface: Bananas .Marketing: Uh furthermore uh material , that's your part , should be very strong. I was thinking of something like uh {vocalsound} well uh iron plate over it ,Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: maybe in a colour or something ,ProjectManager: Yeah .Marketing: that looks so f really flashy but it it is also strong .Industrial Designer: {gap}Project Manager: BMarketing: And that's uh also for theyounger public .Project Manager: Well the the handy thing about our fronts is that we can follow these trends e ev every year . Th this year it's fruits but nextyear it's it's something totally different .Marketing: Yeah , that's great .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: But I think we can all make the the fronts of titanium orsomething uh really thin .Project Manager: Yes .Marketing: So it looks very heavy but you can still uh use it very easily .Project Manager: Yep , alright .IndustrialDesigner: Mm .Marketing: Well , the don'ts . Older people like dark colours and simple shapes . Well we don't want uh older people ,User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: we want young people .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {gap}Marketing: So uh we're gonna turn that around .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: We're gonna have real uh cool shapes and lots of colours . Right ?Project Manager: Wood is popular . Aha.Marketing: Okay . We don't want wood .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah yeah yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah , among the old people , yeah .Marketing:Old people . So , that's it for me .Project Manager: Alright . Nice , uh well {gap} show us .Industrial Designer: Right , I am going to tell you something about thecomponents design . Uh again I have uh put up the specification properties . This uh so um uh the different uh components of the of of the device . And thematerials ? Um I have heard several things , so I uh I'll have to change that on the way . But uh the case ? Uh I suggested uh in the previous meeting hard plastic. But uh as you indicated uh it should be strong .Marketing: Yeah , we should change that .Industrial Designer: It should feel strong . So maybe plastic is not uhsufficient .Project Manager: Well maybe it it it is ,Industrial Designer: We should move to uh something {disfmarker}Project Manager: but it doesn't look strong .So maybe {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Well yeah . Y Hard plastic i is of course uh pretty pretty tough , but it doesn't have a really really tough look . So{disfmarker}Marketing: No no no .Project Manager: But we still have to look at our price of course . Because uh if we want an L_C_D_ uh window etcetera uh{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah . Also {disfmarker} Yeah . Mm-hmm . But we'll return to that .Project Manager: Yeah ?Industrial Designer: Uh the buttonsof course rubber , I think everyone agrees . And electrical cables , copper is all pretty basic stuff . The chips made of silicon , I guess . I think that's the best uhway to do it .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And infra infrared l LED is uh just a simple bulb .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:Then I've uh {vocalsound} had a few findings , made a few findings . Uh the target audience product style . Um it's uh um generally the case that uh senior andwealthy people above uh forty five years old uh like , as you said , uh particularly the traditional materials as such as wood and materials such as that . They alsolike straightforward shapes and luxurious style . But of course that's not our uh things this . So this is things we must not do .Project Manager: Yes .IndustrialDesigner: And then we have uh young uh and dynamic uh people , which is of course our uh group , the people we aim at . Um under forty five years old . Uhthey like soft materials uh with primary colours . Soft materials is of course uh agai again a bit a contradiction with uh our uh material choice of what you said ,that uh it should be hard an and and and and strong looking .Marketing: Mm . Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: But they like soft materials , uh sowe might uh we have to consider that . And also they like curved round shapes . So not uh too formal like like uh the older people want . And if uh also a findingbut not very ap applicable here , that sports and gaming devices such as uh discmans for jogging and that those kind of devices , gaming devices , should definethe characteristics of the device . But uh since we don't have a really a sports or gaming device , so we don't really have to consider that .Project Manager: Sportsuh , they're uh that uh are accessible on on your L_C_D_ uh window uhUser Interface: Soccer fronts . {vocalsound} Mm .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {disfmarker} Huh ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: That's nice . {vocalsound}User Interface: Hmm .Project Manager: All the{gap} results ?Industrial Designer: Well I also have um several examples of uh styles ,Marketing: We keep coming back to the fronts . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: so you can get a clear picture of uh what I mean .Project Manager: Yeah.Industrial Designer: Uh {vocalsound} these are the basic uh older older peoples' stuff .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing:{vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer: It was not very uh interesting uh , very classical looking ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Nai . Uh no.Industrial Designer: but that's n that's not what we want .User Interface: Hmm .Industrial Designer: We have these kind of things . I don't know what exactlythey are .Marketing: {vocalsound} Fruity . {vocalsound} Fruity .Industrial Designer: It looks like {disfmarker} Well you know uh you recognise the shapes,Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: it's very primary colours , uh bright colours and uh round shapes .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial"}
{"doc_id":"doc_73","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh welcome back after lunch , I hope uh you had a good lunch together . For uh this meeting the main agenda okay uh to discussabout the conceptual design meeting . Okay and the agenda will be the opening and uh {disfmarker} that's uh {disfmarker} the product manager or secretarythat's me and uh the presentations from the Christine and uh Agnes and from Mister Ed . And finally in this meeting we have to decideMarketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: and we are to take a decision on the remote control concept and uh the functional design So we have forty minutes , I think it's uhlittle bit uh low , but I I hope we can finish it up {vocalsound} so I'll handle to the the functional team , to the Christine , okay , to discuss about uh thecomponents concept .Industrial Designer: Okay . So uh , if you could open the PowerPoint presentation .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'm numbertwo .Project Manager: You're number two . 'KayIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound} Components design , there we go .Marketing: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: So uh can we put it in slide show mode ? Yeah .Project Manager: The next one .Industrial Designer: Right here , is that little {disfmarker} that one ,yes please .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Thank you .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'll take the mouse . {vocalsound} SouhProject Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: we were looking he specifically at the components uh {disfmarker} the following components , uh the case, the power supply , uh the means of communications with the television set . In instance we had talked about using some sort of speech recognition ,ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: you have to have microphone {disfmarker} well no you don't actually I haven't {disfmarker} have to havemicrophone in the device , but um maybe you do have it a a way {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: it has to it has to hear thespeakerUser Interface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: and um , so it could be in the television set , could be in the device , but somewhere you have to put themicrophone , um and a w a way of making beeps or sounds so you can find it when it's gets lost . Um so the other w thing that we {disfmarker} So . Our methodfor going about this is we've looked at uh the histo hi historical record , what's worked , what hasn't and then we also um {disfmarker} we wanted to evaluatesome new materialsMarketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and we contacted manufacturing for their input because , course , we m might {vocalsound}come up and choose the material that then manufacturing didn't have the technologies or capabilities to offer us , so uh this is the approach that we took duringour um {disfmarker} our research .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So um for the case , um we told we were making a specifica specific assumptionthat it would be curved in design .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Course , you know , I wanted it to be expandable andshrinkable , but um that uh doesn't seem to b be one of the choic non-option we can uh {disfmarker} we can really seriously explore ,User Interface:{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} so then we were thinking about um rubber , but um unfortunately that's been eliminated becauseof the heat uh factorUser Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and th um there might be some {vocalsound} problems with the m uh how it's{disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh goes with the board . {vocalsound} Uh and uh then th plastic also has this problem of melting and it's brittle {disfmarker} it getsbrittle after a while ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: so um we still had titanium and and wood available , but um unfortunately uh uh titanium'salso been eliminated uh ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: the m people in manufacturing said that you couldn't make d curved cases out oftitanium , although how {vocalsound} Apple did it with th PowerBook I'm not su quite sure but uh nevertheless um they've eliminated all of our options exceptwood .User Interface: {vocalsound} At least it's environmentally friendly . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} So , {vocalsound} this is our finding.Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And a as she said , it's an environmentally friendly uh material , so we're {disfmarker} we're {vocalsound}currently uh proposing ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: uh we'll get to all my personal preferences in just a second .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So then there's this other matter of the chips and um well we could use a simple design on the board ,User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {disfmarker} uh these simple chips , but that's only works for the bu you don't get very muchum intelligence with this simple one . And um then there was the regular which {vocalsound} I regret that I've forgotten exactly why I'm eliminating that one .Uh the other option was this advanced chip on print , {vocalsound} and uh we liked th we we found that it it includes this infrared sender ,Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: which w 'member the beam was {disfmarker} that was an important component of finding the right chip .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And uh manufacturing has told us that they've um uh recently developed a uh a sensor and a speaker that would uh beintegrated into this advanced chip on print , so uh we we uh now jumping right to our personal preferences um I I'd really think we should , you know , use someof uh some really exotic woods , like um ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: you know uh , well you guys come from tropical countries so you cankinda think of some trees and some nice woods . I think that people will might really want to design their own cases , you see , they could do sort of a{disfmarker} this um three-dimensional design on the internet , and then they could submit their orders , kinda like you submit a custom car order , you know ,and you can choose the colour and the size of the wheels and the colours of the leather and things like that , and then I uh think we should go with the solar cellsas well as the um microphone and speaker on the advanced chip . So this is the findings of our researchMarketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and myrecommendations um for the new remote control w um would be to have um have it be made out of wood . Do you have any problems with that ?ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Can you go back uh one slide ?Industrial Designer: I'm not sure , how do I {disfmarker} Oh , I know , let's see .User Interface: Thankyou . Yeah .Industrial Designer: Let's go back up here .Project Manager: Yes , uh {gap} question , uh , what's mean exactly , advanced chip on print ? What's themeaning of that ?Industrial Designer: I think it's um um a multiple uh chip design um {vocalsound} and it's uh maybe printed on to the circuit board .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh I could find out more about that uh before the next fi nextmeeting .Project Manager: Yeah , is it means it's on the {disfmarker} yeah is it on a micro-proc micro-processor based or uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} I don't know , but I'll find out more at our next meeting .Project Manager: Okay , tha that would be great , so if you find out from the technologybackground , okay , so that would be good .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Sounds good .User Interface: Why was the plastic eliminated as apossible material ?Industrial Designer: Because um it gets brittle , cracks {disfmarker}User Interface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Um We want {disfmarker}we expect these um {vocalsound} uh these remote controls to be around for several hundred years . So . {vocalsound} Good ex {vocalsound} {gap} Goodexpression . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} WhicMarketing: Wow ,User Interface: {vocalsound} Which {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} goodexpression . Well after us . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I don't know , speak for yourself , I'm planning to be around for a while. {vocalsound}User Interface: Although I think {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: I think with wood though you'd run into thesame types of problems , wouldn't you , I mean it chips , it if you drop it ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: uh it's{disfmarker} I'm not su {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: So {gap} so you're not convinced about the the wood ,yes .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {gap} you're what ?Marketing: Actually , I'm ready to sell it .User Interface: I think{vocalsound} if you re if you use really good quality wood , then it might work ,Marketing: I'm ready to sell it .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} You think ?{vocalsound} And you could {disfmarker} you could sell oils with it , to take care of it .User Interface: but you can't just use {disfmarker}Marketing: No y{vocalsound} no no no , the o the only w the only wood you can use are the ones that are hard , extremely hard wood ,User Interface: Yeah , exactly , yeah.Marketing: but there are some very pretty woods out there {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Well I'm glad you {disfmarker}User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: That's actually very innovative idea .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay , good .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Sorr having a hard time keeping wi control over my face . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Well, it's actually a very innovative n different idea that uh you know you can choose your colour of wood , your type of wood .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .UserInterface: The stain .Marketing: {vocalsound} I mean it's {disfmarker} each person is gonna have their own personalised , individualised speech recognitionremote control in wood , that's not on the market .Industrial Designer: Mm .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah , so it it's looks good the thedesign the functional design uh , what about yo you ?Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Um , in terms of comments on this or in terms of myown {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yes , in t yes , in term in terms of comments first {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} In turns of wow .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: She works in the cubicle next to me so she's uh she was alreadya little bit prepared for this {vocalsound} .User Interface: Y yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Luckily Ed was not .{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Wood ? {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} I think we can get the quality materials then{vocalsound} it shouldn't influence the design principles too much , which you'll see with my presentation .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface:"}
{"doc_id":"doc_74","qid":"","text":"PhD A: Alright . We 're on .Professor B: Test , um . Test , test , test . Guess that 's me . Yeah . OK .Grad D: Ooh , Thursday .Professor B: So . There 's two sheetsof paper in front of us .PhD A: What are these ?PhD E: Yeah . So .Professor B: This is the arm wrestling ?PhD C: Uh . Yeah , we formed a coalition actually .PhD E:Yeah . Almost .PhD C: We already made it into one .Professor B: Oh , good .PhD C: Yeah .Professor B: Excellent .PhD E: Yeah .Professor B: That 's the best thing.PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: So , tell me about it .PhD E: So it 's {disfmarker} well , it 's {pause} spectral subtraction or Wiener filtering , um , depending onif we put {disfmarker} if we square the transfer function or not .Professor B: Right .PhD E: And then with over - estimation of the noise , depending on the , uh{disfmarker} the SNR , with smoothing along time , um , smoothing along frequency .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD E: It 's very simple , smoothing things.Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD E: And , um , {vocalsound} the best result is {vocalsound} when we apply this procedure on FFT bins , uh , with a Wiener filter.Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD E: And there is no noise addition after {disfmarker} after that .Professor B: OK .PhD E: So it 's good because {vocalsound}{vocalsound} it 's difficult when we have to add noise to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to find the right level .Professor B: OK .PhD A: Are you looking at one in{disfmarker} in particular of these two ?PhD E: Yeah . So the sh it 's the sheet that gives fifty - f three point sixty - six .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD E: Um ,{vocalsound} the second sheet is abo uh , about the same . It 's the same , um , idea but it 's working on mel bands , {vocalsound} and it 's a spectralsubtraction instead of Wiener filter , and there is also a noise addition after , uh , cleaning up the mel bins . Mmm . Well , the results are similar .Professor B:Yeah . I mean , {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} {comment} it 's actually , uh , very similar .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: I mean , {vocalsound} if you look atdatabases , uh , the , uh , one that has the smallest {disfmarker} smaller overall number is actually better on the Finnish and Spanish , uh , but it is , uh , worseon the , uh , Aurora {disfmarker}PhD E: It 's worse on {disfmarker}Professor B: I mean on the , uh , TI - TI - digits ,PhD E: on the multi - condition in TI - digits .Yeah .Professor B: uh , uh . Um .PhD E: Mmm .Professor B: So , it probably doesn't matter that much either way . But , um , when you say u uh , unified do youmean , uh , it 's one piece of software now , or {disfmarker} ?PhD E: So now we are , yeah , setting up the software .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD E: Um , itshould be ready , uh , very soon . Um , and wePhD A: So what 's {disfmarker} what 's happened ? I think I 've missed something .Professor B: OK . So a weekago {disfmarker} maybe you weren't around when {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when Hynek and Guenther and I {disfmarker} ?PhD C: Hynek was here .PhDA: Yeah . I didn't .Professor B: Oh , OK . So {disfmarker} Yeah , let 's summarize . Um {disfmarker} And then if I summarize somebody can tell me if I 'm wrong, which will also be possibly helpful . What did I just press here ? I hope this is still working .PhD E: p - p - pProfessor B: We , uh {disfmarker} we looked at ,{nonvocalsound} uh {disfmarker} anyway we {disfmarker} {vocalsound} after coming back from QualComm we had , you know , very strong feedback and , uh, I think it was {vocalsound} Hynek and Guenter 's and my opinion also that , um , you know , we sort of spread out to look at a number of different ways ofdoing noise suppression . But given the limited time , uh , it was sort of time to {pause} choose one .PhD A: Mm - hmm . Mmm .Professor B: Uh , and so , uh , ththe vector Taylor series hadn't really worked out that much . Uh , the subspace stuff , uh , had not been worked with so much . Um , so it sort of came down tospectral subtraction versus Wiener filtering .PhD A: Hmm .Professor B: Uh , we had a long discussion about how they were the same and how they were d uh ,completely different .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: And , uh , I mean , fundamentally they 're the same sort of thing but the math is a little different so thatthere 's a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} there 's an exponent difference in the index {disfmarker} you know , what 's the ideal filtering , anddepending on how you construct the problem .PhD A: Uh - huh .Professor B: And , uh , I guess it 's sort {disfmarker} you know , after {disfmarker} after thatmeeting it sort of made more sense to me because {vocalsound} um , if you 're dealing with power spectra then how are you gonna choose your error ? Andtypically you 'll do {disfmarker} choose something like a variance . And so that means it 'll be something like the square of the power spectra . Whereas when you're {disfmarker} when you 're doing the {disfmarker} the , uh , um , {vocalsound} looking at it the other way , you 're gonna be dealing with signalsPhD C: Mm -hmm .Professor B: and you 're gonna end up looking at power {disfmarker} uh , noise power that you 're trying to reduce . And so , eh {disfmarker} so thereshould be a difference {vocalsound} of {disfmarker} you know , conceptually of {disfmarker} of , uh , a factor of two in the exponent .PhD A: Mm - hmm.Professor B: But there 're so many different little factors that you adjust in terms of {disfmarker} of , uh , {vocalsound} uh , over - subtraction and {disfmarker}and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and so forth , um , that {vocalsound} arguably , you 're c and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and thechoice of do you {disfmarker} do you operate on the mel bands or do you operate on the FFT beforehand . There 're so many other choices to make that are{disfmarker} are almost {disfmarker} well , if not independent , certainly in addition to {pause} the choice of whether you , uh , do spectral subtraction orWiener filtering , that , um , {vocalsound} @ @ again we sort of felt the gang should just sort of figure out which it is they wanna do and then let 's pick it , goforward with it . So that 's {disfmarker} that was {disfmarker} that was last week . And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and , uh , we said , uh , take a week , goarm wrestle , you know ,Grad D: Oh .Professor B: figure it out . I mean , and th the joke there was that each of them had specialized in one of them .PhD A: Oh ,OK .Professor B: And {disfmarker} and so they {disfmarker} so instead they went to Yosemite and bonded , and {disfmarker} and they came out with a single{disfmarker} single piece of software . So it 's {vocalsound} another {disfmarker} another victory for international collaboration . So .PhD A: So {disfmarker} soyou guys have combined {disfmarker} or you 're going to be combining the software ?Professor B: Uh .PhD C: Well , the piece of software has , like , plenty ofoptions ,PhD E: Oh boy .PhD C: like you can parse command - line arguments . So depending on that , it {disfmarker} it becomes either spectral subtraction orWiener filtering .PhD A: Oh , OK .PhD C: So , yePhD A: They 're close enough .Professor B: Well , that 's fine , but the thing is {disfmarker} the important thing isthat there is a piece of software that you {disfmarker} that we all will be using now .PhD C: Yeah . Yeah .Professor B: Yes .PhD C: There 's just one piece ofsoftware .PhD E: Yeah .Professor B: Yeah .PhD E: I need to allow it to do everything and even more {disfmarker} more than this .PhD C: Right .PhD E: Well , ifwe want to , like , optimize different parameters of {disfmarker}PhD C: Parameters . Yeah .Professor B: Sure .PhD E: Yeah , we can do it later . But , still{disfmarker} so , there will be a piece of software with , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} uh , will give this system , the fifty - three point sixty - six , by default and{disfmarker}Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD A: How {disfmarker} how is {disfmarker} how good is that ?PhD E: Mm - hmm .PhD A: I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}I don't have a sense of {disfmarker}PhD E: It 's just one percent off of the {pause} best proposal .PhD C: Best system .PhD E: It 's between {disfmarker} i weare second actually if we take this system .PhD A: OK .Professor B: Yeah .PhD C: Yeah .PhD E: Right ?PhD A: Compared to the last evaluation numbers ? Yeah.Professor B: But , uh {disfmarker} w which we sort of were beforePhD C: Yeah .PhD E: Mm - hmm . Yeah .Professor B: but we were considerably far behind .And the thing is , this doesn't have neural net in yet for instance . You know ?PhD E: Mm - hmm .PhD A: Hmm .Professor B: So it {disfmarker} so , um , it 's{disfmarker} it it 's not using our full bal bag of tricks , if you will .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: And , uh , and it {disfmarker} it is , uh , very close inperformance to the best thing that was there before . Uh , but , you know , looking at it another way , maybe more importantly , uh , {vocalsound} we didn'thave any explicit noise , uh , handling {disfmarker} stationary {disfmarker} dealing with {disfmarker} e e we didn't explicitly have anything to deal withstationary noise .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: And now we do .PhD A: So will the {pause} neural net operate on the output from either the Wiener filtering orthe spectral subtraction ? Or will it operate on the original ?Professor B: Well , so {disfmarker} so {disfmarker} so argu arguably , I mean , what we should do{disfmarker} I mean , I gather you have {disfmarker} it sounds like you have a few more days of {disfmarker} of nailing things down with the software and soon . But {disfmarker} and then {disfmarker} but , um , {vocalsound} arguably what we should do is , even though the software can do many things , we shouldfor now pick a set of things , th these things I would guess , and not change that .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: And then focus on {pause} everything that 'sleft . And I think , you know , that our goal should be by next week , when Hynek comes back , {vocalsound} uh , to {disfmarker} uh , really just to have a firmpath , uh , for the {disfmarker} you know , for the time he 's gone , of {disfmarker} of , uh , what things will be attacked . But I would {disfmarker} I would{disfmarker} I would thought think that what we would wanna do is not futz with this stuff for a while because what 'll happen is we 'll change many other thingsin the system ,PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: and then we 'll probably wanna come back to this and possibly make some other choices . But , um .PhD A: Butjust conceptually , where does the neural net go ? Do {disfmarker} do you wanna h run it on the output of the spectrally subtracted {disfmarker} ?PhD E: Mmm.Professor B: Well , depending on its size {disfmarker} Well , one question is , is it on the , um , server side or is it on the terminal side ? Uh , if it 's on the serverside , it {disfmarker} you probably don't have to worry too much about size .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: So that 's kind of an argument for that . We do still ,however , have to consider its latency . So the issue is {disfmarker} is , um , {vocalsound} for instance , could we have a neural net that only looked at the past?PhD A: Right .Professor B: Um , what we 've done in uh {disfmarker} in the past is to use the neural net , uh , to transform , {vocalsound} um , all of thefeatures that we use . So this is done early on . This is essentially , {vocalsound} um , um {disfmarker} I guess it 's {disfmarker} it 's more or less like a spee a"}
{"doc_id":"doc_75","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay . Here we go . Alright , the agenda for thi oh . Alright . Um the agenda for this meeting {vocalsound} is um {disfmarker} we'll initiallyhave the prototype presentation by our two designers . And then we will evaluate it , given the criteria that um that we gave gave it . And um talk about ourfinances , whether we were under or over our budget . I have a um a spreadsheet where we can calculate um our prices for every aspect of of what we've made ,given our options . And um evaluate the product , as a group .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: And um {disfmarker} So first we'll have the prototypepresentation . Do you need the um PowerPoint for this ?Industrial Designer: Um yeah . I just got a few slides , so show them .Project Manager: Alright .IndustrialDesigner: Thank you . Do you want to present it ? {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah , here we are .UserInterface: {vocalsound} This is what we came up with . It's a pretty simple design . It's um based on a mango ? Yeah . And {vocalsound} we{disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: On ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Mango shape .Project Manager: {vocalsound} A mango . Okay.User Interface: Yeah . And we have the company logo here and this will be the infrared hereIndustrial Designer: The L_E_D_ .User Interface: and this'll be thepower point , the on off button kind {disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh . Okay .User Interface: yeah .Marketing: I'm sorry .Project Manager: Oops .Marketing:What was the {disfmarker} where's the L_E_D_ ?User Interface: It's in the middle of one of the little R_s .Marketing: Oh . Okay .User Interface: And then theother one is the power . And uh we just have a simple design . We wanted it all to beIndustrial Designer: So it's palm-held .User Interface: accessible from yourthumbIndustrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: {disfmarker} yeah palm-heldProject Manager: Yeah .User Interface: and all the buttons are accessible from yourthumb .Project Manager: Notice you have a number ten button .User Interface: So you don't have to {disfmarker} Oh that was a mistake , wasn't it ?ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: You just need the nought . {vocalsound}User Interface: Right no , that's a zero .Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Take that one off . {vocalsound} Sorry . I was in charge of the numbers . {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} No problem .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Ah .User Interface: And this is just if you'vegot like eleven or twelve or thirt the plus .Industrial Designer: So one plus one would be eleven ,User Interface: {vocalsound} You can go one , three orsomething .Industrial Designer: or {disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh . You press a plus button ?User Interface: You press that first and then you go one threeyeah .Project Manager: Oh okay . I've never heard of that kind before .User Interface: Well we just thought , we have all the numbers here , so we wantedsomething representative of numbers larger than ten and {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah because if you {disfmarker} on youraverage um remote , if you press one twice you just go to {disfmarker} um or uh say you wanted channel twelve , you press one , and then you go to channelone , and then two then you'd just go to channel two , instead of twelve .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Oh , there's no eProject Manager: Oh .IndustrialDesigner: So if you did like one plus two you could go to channel twelve , or two plus two is channel twenty two .User Interface: So the plus and then{disfmarker}Marketing: okay .User Interface: yeah .Project Manager: IMarketing: Okay .Project Manager: But {disfmarker} Would you have to go zero plus oneif you wanted to go to channel one or two ?User Interface: No no , th all {disfmarker} that's why we have all these numbers . These numbers um these numbersall work independently up to nine . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah but I mean if you press , it'll go to that channel right away . 'Cause you gotta press theplus afterwards .User Interface: Yeah . Oh no . Uh , the plus is only for if you're going past the number nine .Project Manager: Yeah I know , but if if I wanna goto say number like sixty five , channel sixty five , if I press the six it'll go to channel six , and then I'll press the plus , and then it'll go to six and then put the fiveand it'll go to sixty five ?Marketing: Sixty .User Interface: You p Oh . No you press the plus first .Industrial Designer: Oh .User Interface: I I {disfmarker} well itdoesn't {disfmarker} we haven't really s I would've thought you pressed the plus first and then the six five ,Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: but she saysplus {disfmarker} {vocalsound} press {disfmarker} which {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Well I don't mind , we can further define that .User Interface: whatdo you think is simpler ?Project Manager: I th Um {disfmarker}User Interface: It's a {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: I wouldn't have thought it'd be a problemthat it went to channel six first , in like on the way to channel sixty five .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah it wouldn't be a problem . But I was justwonderingIndustrial Designer: But I suppose it's not as snappy .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: like as long as we realise that's what it'll do .Marketing:Well the there is a {disfmarker} there's a delay on remotes I think .User Interface: Oops . Yeah .Marketing: Where you can have it {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .Marketing: it's like a five second input time .Industrial Designer: Yeah . If you don't put it {disfmarker}Marketing: So as long as you hit themdadaIndustrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah ,User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: that {disfmarker} yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} it should be fine .ProjectManager: Yeah .Marketing: As long as there's not a big pause between the t hitting the two buttons .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Yeah . So{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Um {disfmarker}Marketing: Was there {disfmarker} so on the top there is volume and {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Andchannel ,User Interface: A channel .Industrial Designer: which is so you could just go like that without thinking about it , like {disfmarker}Marketing: Channel upvolume up . Okay cool .Project Manager: C_ and V_ .User Interface: Just so we can flick {disfmarker}Project Manager: Right , where um where's the powerbutton ?Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: It's in the middle of one of the little R_s . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: It's the bigger R_ .Marketing: It's the R_.Project Manager: Oh okay .Industrial Designer: So it's just like {vocalsound} .User Interface: Yeah ,Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: so it's all accessible .Without m taking your hand off the remote .Industrial Designer: We deciProject Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah um we went for like a a circular designfor the numbersMarketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: because we thought that's kind of a more natural movement than just going like that with your thumb.Project Manager: Oh okay .Industrial Designer: Uh e ergonomics are all considered .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Ergonomic ,definitely ergonomic .User Interface: And {vocalsound} it might actually help with the repetitive stress injury as well .Marketing: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: It could cause another type of repetitive stress injury though .User Interface: Okay . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: But yeah , no I mean it's adifferent movementMarketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: so {disfmarker} yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Um and the feel of it , I mean ,we've made this out of Play Doh , which is representing the , you know , the rubber , and the spongy rubberness .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: The spon yeah .User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Um 'cause it was said before in the material specificationthat this {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} this anti-R_S_I_ um material is often used in stress balls so this has got a you know a bit of give to it ,Project Manager:Yeah .Industrial Designer: and it just feels feels different .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Bit of a stress ball feel .Industrial Designer: Would you like tofeel it yourselves ?User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yes . I would .Industrial Designer: How it fits in the palm of your hand ?Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: My goodness .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Thanks .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} There you go.Industrial Designer: And you ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: Genevieve ?Marketing: YesProject Manager: Yeah . {vocalsound}Marketing: . Oh it's nice . Oh Ithink I killed the five .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: I did .Project Manager: And something hmm . {vocalsound}Marketing: I killed the four . Ohgod . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: O Okay , as for the colours , we were presented with um a limited range of colours for this prototype .User Interface: OfPlay Doh yeah .Marketing: Oh it smells good . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: But we're thinking that , seeing as we're having it in interchangeable casinganyway , that this is not necessarily a representation of the true colours that we would necessarily use . Or the combination . Um and we're thinking to carry-onwith the fruit and vegetable theme , the colour um combination just could just be named after different fruit , like banana could be black and yellow , watermelonred and green ,Project Manager: Oh right .Industrial Designer: or vanilla might be the most popular if it just uh blends inUser Interface: 'Cause it'd be quite subtleand {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: more settled cream instead of the others are all a bit garish .Project Manager: Yeah . It looks more {disfmarker} Think likevanilla and banana would .Industrial Designer: Banana's more representative of our colour scheme , like the company {disfmarker} the yellow and black .ProjectManager: Okay yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: So that {disfmarker} for corporate identity that would probably be the most strength .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I mean watermelon , you know , m probably appealing tothe {disfmarker}Project Manager: Kinda Christmas , you know .Industrial Designer: yeah , seasonal .User Interface: Yeah , yeah , yeah . {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Apple green , brown , more kinda trendy , you know , khaki {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: The pomegranate's kinda girly andfunky kind of ,Project Manager: Cool .User Interface: and then the vanilla's more for the more sophisticated {vocalsound} customer who just wants somethingthat fits in with all decor .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah . Okay . Um yeah we thought of the components it was definitely um a focus ofergonomics and just a single ha handheld device , I mean you don't need to use both hands , one hand to hold this and type in with the other , you can just useyour thumb .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Um , as we said the rubber's probably used for comfort and anti-R_S_I_ and that's about it .Project"}
{"doc_id":"doc_76","qid":"","text":"User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay . {vocalsound} Yeah . That's okay . That's okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay.Project Manager: Am I starting now ? Anytime ? Oh sorry . 'Kay , um . Alright , welcome back fro to the second meeting . And um I hope you had a productivelast thirty minutes .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um , and um , I'll be taking minutes on this one , and um {disfmarker} Being hooked up to thePowerPoint for this meeting isn't very necessary for uh myself , because it'll be more about uh , what you guys are bringing to the meeting today . Um , so , thefirst presentation we'll be looking at is Poppy's presentation . And , um {disfmarker} So , sorry ? So , um , take it away Poppy .Industrial Designer: Okay . Um ,do I need to {disfmarker} {gap}Project Manager: It's , it's plugged in . So , um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: plugged in .User Interface: F_ eight , w .Function F_ eight .Industrial Designer: F_ okay . Function F_ eight . Sorry about this guys .Project Manager: No problem .User Interface: {gap}IndustrialDesigner: 'Kay . {gap} is on . Right . {gap} Okay . I will take this time just to apologise .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I , I only , uh ,received my emails later on . 'Cause I was too busy carried away doing my own thing ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: which is not obviously not avery good part of a team-working thing .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: But there we go .Project Manager: I'm sure it's fine .IndustrialDesigner: Um , so I was looking at how we're going to go about the working design , and what we actually need to do , and what the remote control needs to do .And it needs to um allow a person to have a portable desi device , so they can control the television from wherever they are . They don't need to actuallymanually touch the television set . So , it gives them much more flexibility , and allows them to be where they want to be . Um , from {disfmarker} Uh , on afunctional side of things , we found out that wh from our previous meeting , we decided that there're certain points that will make our product unique . Um , oneis the visibility in the dark , which was um Genevieve's idea . So we need to think about how we could bring this in um technically . And we could use illuminatedbuttons , which we are all familiar with when we're using a mobile phone , or um something fam familiar . A automatically , um lights up at first touch . Or wecould use fluorescent materials which would just um take in the light during the day , and then as soon as they go off they would glow in the dark . Um , also wecould use um an alarm . So if we lost the um remote control , perhaps there could be a button on the television set itself , which you could press , and then analarm from the handset would sound where it was , hopefully in the room . Maybe behind a cushion or somewhere .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Um , so that would work . Um , oop . Go back there . Um , another thing I think we d missed out on on the last meeting was thefact that we should consider the environmental impact of our design . Um , from previous researches I've carried out on other projects , um we've learnt aboutsmart materials where um um specific alloys of metals have a shape memory .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So theycan be heated and um and cooled , and they change the shape of um the metal . So , for example , a screw that's holding something together could expand and itwould force all the components apart . So um , the benefits of this for our product would be that when it came to the end of its product life , if it was heated , umeverything would spring apart . So , all the um individual components could be easily separated , and then some could be reused , some could be recycled , and Ithink that would be very important for products now . Especially 'cause there's much uh responsibility for all the um companies who are coming up with like newdesigns . 'Cause all , we all know that our resources are being limited , and we have to be very environmentally conscious .Project Manager: Right , um , onequestion . This , um , self-destructible uh metal , it allows for recycling materials ?Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: So that , um , someone could havethis product for as long as they felt that they wanted it , and then once they contribute it , then that company can break down the part , the parts better?Industrial Designer: Um {disfmarker} And then {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah they would , um you would make the , the product as you normally would , apart fromthe , the bits that hold it all together would be made out of this shape-memory alloy . And that's the part that would um allow all the other parts to be separatedat the end . I mean , the user would return the p product to the company , 'cause it's the product's responsibility to get rid of what they've made . Um , and thenthe company could then just use , make use of this shape-memory alloys to split up the components ,Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: and then eitherreuse some bits , and other bits which are obviously gonna wear out with time , or not usable , they might be like be able to put into scrap metal . Something likethe case , if it's scratched or something , you would want to reuse it , but you might be able to melt it down and reuse it again somewhere else .Project Manager:Mm-hmm . Would we be the company that would break down these , or uh metals ? Or would we contribute to another group ?Industrial Designer: You could{disfmarker} we could probably empl em employ a , a side company or something to do that for us . But it would be our responsibility to get that done and todispose of the products that we made . For a certain percentage at least .Project Manager: Alright .Industrial Designer: Not every , not a hundred percent ofeverything we produce ,Project Manager: Okay . This sounds like a really great idea .Industrial Designer: but {disfmarker}Project Manager: One thing we have toconsider is our uh one hundred percent um turnover goal that we have for our financial sector .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah .Project Manager: Um , so we'llhave to investigate how much that will cost us , cost the company ,Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: um 'cause it sounds very labour-intensive . Youwould have to hire a number of people , and it might be more expensive .Industrial Designer: Well I {disfmarker} the fact of the shape-memory alloys is thatthey , they don't need to be manually de um deconstructed . Like , you don't have to individually um unscrew all the screws . Because of this , their properties aresmart material .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: All you need is just the heat , so they self-destruct themselves .Project Manager: Alright . We'llstill have to investigate the financial implications .Industrial Designer: So I suppose it does need like high contact , yeah , you know high uh quality machinery ,and very specific machinery , but {disfmarker}Project Manager: Alright . I like the environmental approach . Um , we'll have to see if that can meet our financialgoals as well .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Okay . Um also there is um components . This'll be how it uh will actually work . But I haven't put this plan together yet.Project Manager: I'm sorry , could you {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: There we goProject Manager: Those were um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: . Sorry ,should I go back . This would actually show the circuit diagram . Although I haven't come up with the final circuit yet .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer:So I just {gap} put all those components in .Project Manager: So those are what , um , we'll c construct the remote . Those are all the {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: Yeah . I it just shows what sort of energy source . It could be a battery , like rechargeable probably . Um , an' yeah , well how the infrared will actuallybe sent through the chip to be received by the chip on the television set itself .Project Manager: Alright . Great .Industrial Designer: Okay ? So , now is it F_ eightagain to escape ? Or escape ? There we go . Okay .Project Manager: Alright . Thank you very much . And , um , the next presenter will be Tara .IndustrialDesigner: Thank you .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: There you go Tara .User Interface: Thanks . Can you see ?Marketing: Oh ,{vocalsound}User Interface: Do you think {disfmarker} Is it uh , function eight yeah ?Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Function F_ eight .Marketing:{vocalsound} Function F_ eight .Project Manager: Function F_ eight . Sorry .Industrial Designer: The one at the top .User Interface: Oh right . Okay .Marketing:That looks right .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Okay . I'm the User {vocalsound} um User Interface Designer . Uh , the technical functions design of theapparatus is the effect the apparatus should have . Um , in this case it's the function of the remote control , which is to send messages to the television ,television set . By taking inspiration from other similar designs , we'll try and come up with an original trendy remote control , which is sellable international .There're two functional design options . A multifunctional remote control , which can be used for several entertainment devices . And a single function remotecontrol , used specifically for the television . {vocalsound}Marketing: I'm sorry , what was that last one . Multifunctional and {disfmarker}User Interface: Sorry .Um , a single function just for the television itself .Marketing: Ch Oh , I see .User Interface: Yeah . Um , multifunctional controls can be difficult to use , as themultitude of buttons can be confusing . A single function remote control is simpler to use , but it means you have to have other remote controls for your otherentertainment devices .Marketing: 'Kay .User Interface: Um , I think that a single function remote control would be preferable , because it's easier to use . It'd bemore compatible with a range of television sets , making it more internationally sellable . Um , it will make an original design more obtainable , as we have lessfunctional necessities to include in the design . And it would be more profitable as it would be more simplistic . And less functions would have to be included . So itwould be cheaper to make . And probably more sellable just because it's more compatible with a r a wider range of devices . Does anyone have any questions ?{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} So as far as we know , um , a single function television remote control is us usable internationally ?User Interface: Well ,it's just that , when we're creating it , we're , we have to make it um compatible with different brands of devices .Marketing: {gap} Right .User Interface: And itwould be easier to make it compatible with just different brands of television devices rather than other ent ,Marketing: D_V_D_s and V_C_R_ ?User Interface:yeah ,Project Manager: Right .Marketing: Okay .User Interface: other entertainment devices .Project Manager: Does everyone agree with this ? Does anyoneobject and , and find the multifunctional might be a better way to go ?Industrial Designer: Um , {vocalsound} I was just wondering about the , what , whatGenevieve said before , about having like some hidden controls like having the outer casing . And that would probably , um , I d , well well what you said before"}
{"doc_id":"doc_77","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound} Well , let's start . What are we doing ? Oops . {vocalsound}User Interface: Hmm .Industrial Designer: Ah , pinball .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Okay . Okay . Not doing .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:Mm . Ah . Hey . {vocalsound} Ah .Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker}User Interface: Oh .Marketing: Now I have my screen back too . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Very good .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} {gap} we have presentations . So first , it's your turn .Industrial Designer: {gap}User Interface: Mine . Oh , great .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Yeah . Isn't it amazing . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Huh . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah . Very interesting .User Interface: Uh{disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Industrial Designer . Interface concept.User Interface: {vocalsound} Yes , well uh let's uh talk about the interface uh concept . Uh , first I'll uh I'll uh discuss the buttons we just chose , uh show yousome samples , uh uh discuss some colours and design maybe , already . And uh my personal preferences . {vocalsound} Well we chose the power button toswitch the television on and off . The bu uh the mute button to switch the volume on and o on and off . The channels buttons , one to nine , and uh off uh uh zeroto nine , and the uh button to choose uh higher channels than nine . Uh the volume and channel quadrants , uh left and right , up and down arrows , to uh do thevolume and channel . And the menu menu button to man manipulate the L_C_D_ uh display . Um , I found some uh interesting uh uh samples . Examples.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Um , well uh what's pretty standard is uh that it's {disfmarker} that they're all pretty uh uh high uh{disfmarker}Marketing: Large .User Interface: Yeah . Yeah . Large and and and pretty thin and uh and long .Marketing: A lot {disfmarker} a lot of buttonsbuttons .User Interface: Um , power buttons are mostly at the top uh left or right . Um , well we see the the the same uh arrows . Like there . And uh{disfmarker} Yeah , well arrow b buttons can be blue . And what's interesting is the the the icons on the buttons . Some buttons have icons like the play and stop, but we don't use that . But uh , these we we have to choose the right icons , or or letters . Uh this is the V_ for volume , but they're both uh a V_ .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}User Interface: So it's it's not really very uh clear what's the function of that .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Um {disfmarker} Yeah . So, that's {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Can you go back one page ? For the uh menu , what do we use for that ? We don't have buttons for themenu .User Interface: Uh , well {disfmarker}Project Manager: Or we may have to use channel of the volume and channel {gap} .User Interface: Yeah . I thoughtthat was our uh idea .Project Manager: Okay . But {gap} uh {disfmarker}User Interface: So , uh how {disfmarker}Project Manager: You have to put it on the{disfmarker}User Interface: Like this .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Or or this . And that the menu button is okay .Project Manager: Yeah but , has tobe clear that you can use the arrows .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah , okay .Marketing: Yes .User Interface: Uh , so the {disfmarker} The icons on the arrows, as well , you mean .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Yes . The second one .User Interface: Yeah . Uh , well that's something to uh think about .{vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Uh , maybe I'll have something in my uh presentation . And you will see it .User Interface: Okay.Marketing: Okay . {vocalsound}User Interface: Um , well I don't I don't know if we have to discuss this already , or in the next uh meeting .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: But uh , as we have to uh to to design the the case and the whole uh remote control in our uh our our corporate uh company uh uhcolours and the logo , I would uh recommend a yellow case . Uh , round edges . The logo at the bottom . And uh , well maybe each each uh set of buttons uh hasuh has his own colour . So , it's good . Uh , recognisable . K so , I think .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Not too much colours .User Interface: Uh , no . Not toomuch .Project Manager: No , it's not flower power .User Interface: But uh {disfmarker} No , no , no . But this has to be has to be trendy and uh {disfmarker} and{gap} {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager: S okay .User Interface: Uh , yeah so good uh good icons on the buttons , and uh and big buttons is my uhpersonal uh opinion .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: That was that .Project Manager: Thank you . So , you're next .Industrial Designer: I'm next , okay .{vocalsound} Yes . No . Here we go .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh , at first we will uh I will f uhsay something about what younger people want ,Marketing: {gap} Okay .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: our uh groupw uh w uh we want to uh sell our remote controls to . And then , I'll discuss what my opinion is about the costs , about uh what battery is in it , what kind ofbuttons also . First uh , the younger people , they want like soft mat uh materials and primary colours . Like , totally yellow , totally red . Uh , so it's visible . Uh ,the shapes are curved and round , like uh you also said . Maybe it's nice to uh get a remote control not like all the other ones , straight and uh flat and long . Butto give him the shape of your hand , so you {disfmarker} it's easier to use or something like that . But that's just an idea . And then , I'll have to discuss aboutthe costs uh of all the things for the remote control . The battery , there are few options . Uh , I think the best option is to use uh the basic battery . So ,everybody can buy it uh at the at the supermarket . Or use uh a k uh kinetic battery like uh within a watch . When you uh shake it a few times , it it's loaded . Uh, the the form of the remote control , I think it's also nice {gap} have it curved . And maybe like it's hand-shaped . Uh , so uh you take it here in your hand andhere are the buttons . Uh material , you use plastic . Hard plastic uh because uh {gap} it won't have to burst uh like in the {disfmarker} in one time . And alsorubber because the younger people like that , what we see in the research . Uh the push-buttons . We have one new thing uh discovered . It's a scroll push uhthing like a mouse . Maybe it's uh easy to use uh for the channels . When you want to go m move up , you just scroll up and click on the button , if you wanna seethe next , uh if you wanna see that channel . And also for the mouse , uh for the volume , it's also uh easy to use . Just scroll a bit up , scroll a bit down . Andthat's also easy just w when you have a thing like this , and you get it here . You can do it with your thumb . And with your l left hand you can uh push thebuttonsMarketing: Hmm .Industrial Designer: uh if you {gap} push uh channel one , you can see channel one . The electrics um with a scroll push uh button , wemust use regular uh chips . There are also uh simple chips . They are uh cheaper . Um , but then we have just a basic uh uh remote control , and I think there area lot of those uh things , and people won't buy it any more . They have seen enough of it . And you have also advanced um chips . But that's with the L_C_D_ uhscreen . And the costs will increase a lot more . And I think our budget is too low to use and an L_C_D_ , and the chip who is more expensive . And maybe it'salso then uh thoughtful if we u uh use uh as um different kind of uh shapes for the {disfmarker} for remote control , that we then use the primary colours . Like ,you get a yellow uh remote control , red one , blue one , et cetera . You have any more questions about this ? I think the main thing is we look at the costs.Marketing: Yep .Project Manager: Hmm .Industrial Designer: And not too basic , not a basic remote control , who everybody already has .Marketing: Yeah . But ,thi i uh {disfmarker} This is with an L_C_D_ ? No ,Industrial Designer: Not with an L_C_D_ .Marketing: not .Project Manager: No , isn't .Industrial Designer: No.Project Manager: But the L_C_D_ is easy when you use the scroll uh buttons . Then you can scroll , you see what number , and then you push .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah . But then , what I say , the costs will uh get a lot higher .Project Manager: But then it's not easy to use scroll uh wheel . If you don't{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Th then you'll see it on the television .Project Manager: Hmm , yes . But then . Yeah , then you go one down one up . When youscroll .Industrial Designer: but l when you see a menu uh on the television , it's like you see uh one to twenty , you go uh uh s scroll up , and push number twtwenty . YeahProject Manager: but like we said before , it has to be used on every television . Yeah So you may not be uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: No . The television must do that . So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm . Yeah , I think the younger people will havenewer televisions , which can provide our uh remote control .Project Manager: Yeah but young people have to have all their uh room . And mostly they aresmaller . So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yes . But that won't be a problem . I think .Project Manager: Most the times that are not advanced televisions.Industrial Designer: No , but then we'll get to the regular uh remote controls .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And I think , what I said , everybodyhas them uh has them already . And they go to a uh supermarket and buy them uh for two Euros . Uh , and ge and get the most cheapest uh thing . And I thinkwe must look further to uh to devel d develop something news .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Uh , can you give an indication in b uh in the cost differencebetween uh the chip with L_C_D_ or without ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I got it on my screen and it was uh higher . But I don't know uh how muchhigher . {vocalsound}Marketing: 'Cause it {disfmarker}Project Manager: That's important .Marketing: I think if we have an L_C_D_ , it will also sell a lot better.Industrial Designer: That's true .Marketing: And that might uh bring back the costs uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: But then we'll {disfmarker} I think wemust discuss who {disfmarker} uh what will be better . If we have a better shape of the um remote control , or better options on it . With a scroll menu , a wscroll thing , and a L_C_D_ . And then a flat um remote control . Or , a more hand-shaped remote control , with scroll , without L_C_D_ .Project Manager: Yeah .Maybe you can look how how much it is for the L_C_D_ .Industrial Designer: I can uh look on my uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}It's very important .Industrial Designer: {gap} Uh {disfmarker} Note that the push-button requires a simple chip chip . A scroll wheel requires minimally aregular chip , which is a higher price range . The display requires a advanced chip , which is which in turn is more expensive than the regular chip .Project"}
{"doc_id":"doc_78","qid":"","text":"Lynne Neagle AM: Okay, good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and Education Committee. We've received no apologies for absence.Can I ask Members whether there are any declarations of interest, please? No. Okay. Thank you. Item 2 this morning is our evidence session with the CabinetSecretary for Education for our inquiry into the status of the Welsh baccalaureate qualification. I'm very pleased to welcome Kirsty Williams AM, Cabinet Secretaryfor Education; Kevin Palmer, who is deputy director, pedagogy, leadership and professional learning; and Andrew Clark, deputy director, further education andapprenticeships division. So, thank you all for attending, and we're looking forward to hearing what you've got to say. If you're happy, Cabinet Secretary, we'll gostraight to questions.Kirsty Williams AM: Of course.Lynne Neagle AM: And the first questions are from Julie Morgan.Julie Morgan AM: Thank you very much,Chair, and bore da. I was going to ask some general questions about the value of the baccalaureate. Could you give us your views on how the Welsh bac is valuedby learners and teachers?Kirsty Williams AM: Bore da, Julie, and thank you very much for your question. Firstly, I'd like to begin by saying that I as the CabinetSecretary value the qualification very much indeed. I believe that it helps ensure that we are able to give our young people in Wales a broad and balancedcurriculum, recognising the need to develop knowledge and skills in core subjects but recognising also that the purpose of education is to help prepare ourchildren for further study and the world of work, and I believe that the skills challenge element of the baccalaureate does just that. I meet with young people andteachers all the time who tell me about the positive experiences they have had studying for the Welsh bac, and much of that was evidenced in QualificationsWales's review into the Welsh baccalaureate. They did focus group work with a representative sample, and many of the learners expressed the fact that they haveenjoyed studying for the qualification and have gained a great deal from it. I meet regularly with individuals who have been able to use their bac to successfullygain a place at university, so I believe there's a huge value for Welsh young people being able to study this particular qualification alongside the more traditionalqualifications that perhaps we're all used to. I think the challenge is that, given that many people are very familiar with what a GCSE is and, as parents, we willknow what that is and many of us will have done—some of us are so old we'll have done O-levels. We know what those traditional qualifications look like, andtherefore a new qualification—there's always a job of work to do to communicate that, if people aren't used to it, but I value it hugely. I think that, whilst there isalways room for improvement—and, of course, you'll be aware of the review that Qualifications Wales undertook and that has suggested ways in which we canfurther improve and refine the qualification, but I think it is a valuable piece of work for Welsh young people to undertake.Julie Morgan AM: It's great that you'vebeen around listening to learners and what they have said about it. Have you had any negative feedback?Kirsty Williams AM: Well, occasionally, of course, we dohave concerns raised with us, and those concerns are similar to the ones that have been raised in the Qualifications Wales review. So, for instance, we sometimeshave concerns about how some students balance the Welsh bac with other qualifications they may be taking. Some teachers feed back around the workloadissues associated with the Welsh baccalaureate. For some students, there may be concerns about the nature of the Welsh bac and whether that can impactnegatively on their well-being. And, obviously, that's why Qualifications Wales have undertaken this piece of work so that we can refine, if necessary, thatqualification and how we continue to look at how we ensure my belief that taking the Welsh bac should be the norm for students but also recognising that, insome cases, there needs to be flexibility to ensure that the well-being of the student is not compromised.Julie Morgan AM: And so would you say that it's valuedby learners more or less at key stage 4 or post 16?Kirsty Williams AM: Well, I think that, as I said, the vast majority of students I meet report very positivelyabout the opportunities that are afforded for studying at that level. Occasionally, we hear from students who I believe think that in studying the subject they maybe compromising their chances because they want to do additional A-levels, and I'm sure we'll come on to, later on, whether universities, and whether the RussellGroup universities in particular, value the qualification. But I feel that there are particular strengths. And I think what's really important, and, in talking touniversities, since the qualification became graded, rather than just a pass/fail qualification—I think that added rigour since 2015 has been particularly importantin ensuring that there's real value in students undertaking that work.Julie Morgan AM: And what about the effect that the leadership in the school has on the waythat the bac is received? Have you—?Kirsty Williams AM: As always, Julie, leadership is crucial, and students' experiences can be very coloured by the attitudetowards the teacher delivering that particular course. And, therefore, we need to continue, alongside the WJEC and Qualifications Wales, to ensure that the Welshbac is communicated to children in a positive way, the benefits are explained to children and their parents, and, also, we need to ensure that those who aretasked with teaching Welsh bac in their schools or colleges feel confident in their ability to do so and to ensure that students have a really positive experience ofthat qualification, because if you're being taught by someone who is telling you, 'Oh, I don't know why we're having to do this', then, obviously that's going tocolour how you feel about it. And, if I'm honest, I recently attended a youth forum, where young people from the county were discussing all sorts ofissues—everything from the environment to their experience in school—and I was struck by the group of year 12 and year 13 students. I specifically asked themabout the bac—I always take the opportunity to ask them about their experience of the baccalaureate. One school, the group of students said, 'It's fantastic. Wereally enjoy it. It's really valuable. I'm learning a lot.' Students from a school seven miles away—just seven miles away—said, 'Oh, I don't know why we're havingto do this.' And I suspect that that has got more to do with how that is being delivered in their institutions than it has about the quality of the qualification. So, weneed to keep ensuring that those who are tasked with this see it as important, communicate that to students, and have the confidence and the ability to deliver areally positive experience.Julie Morgan AM: I think our experiences in the committee are very similar. Within the same room, actually, we've had two completelydifferent sets of views. So, what do you intend to do to try to ensure that there's consistent support and enthusiasm for the bac from the leaders?Kirsty WilliamsAM: Well, first of all, we have the design group of Qualifications Wales looking to address some of the issues that arose out of the report around ensuring that,especially from a teacher workload perspective, it's not too onerous in terms of assessment. So, there's that to do to make sure that we're not asking children toduplicate and do things over and over and over again, which, of course, for any of us, would be wearing and we would question to the value of. So, there's thedesign group looking at the qualification itself. We are ensuring, as part of our professional learning for teachers that—. There are existing opportunities via theregional consortia for support for teaching of the qualification. The WJEC has resources and support available, but we will look, as we roll out our nationalapproach to professional learning, at that the professional learning needs of those already in the system are addressed. Of course, our accreditation for our newinitial teacher education is predominantly addressed at being able to deliver the new curriculum, but, if you think about the elements of 'Successful Futures' andthe skills and the knowledge and the pedagogy associated with that, it's very much in line with the Welsh baccalaureate challenge certificate. So, actually, thereare opportunities via initial teacher education as well, and we continue to need to look to work with our partners to be able to reinforce why this is a worthwhilequalification. And I have to say I think the best people to do that—. It's not me. I'd like to see past students of the Welsh baccalaureate being able to talk abouttheir own experiences and why it's made a difference to them. I come across individuals for whom their place at university has been secured by that Welshbaccalaureate, and, all of a sudden, if that's what's got you your place, it becomes a lot more valuable than perhaps it was six months before. We need to makesure that students are aware, and teachers and school leaders are aware, of the importance that this qualification has.Lynne Neagle AM: Suzy, did you have asupplementary?Suzy Davies AM: Yes. I've got one on IT, but I'll leave that one. I just want to go back to Julie's question about whether there was a differentperspective or a different sense of value for students who are post 16 and those who are pre 16. When one of the college leaders here was asked whether he hadpeople coming to him in his FE college who've been through the pre-16 bac and had heard evidence or had stories of, basically, those children cobbling togethertheir bac in the last four weeks of term before they got there, he said that yes, that is his experience. Does that worry you at all, because, of course, the wholepurpose of bac is to teach skills over a period of time, and its purpose cannot be fulfilled by getting it all done in the last term of—which year am I in?—year 11, inorder to satisfy the curriculum?Kirsty Williams AM: Yes. Obviously, that's not the experience that we would want young people to have, and, as someone who hashad a daughter just finish year 11, that's certainly not the experience that my daughter had in her particular school, and I have another daughter who has justgone into year 10, where the Welsh bac has started in year 10 and it is a a two-year course in which elements are undertaken. Obviously, we will need toaddress, as part of the design group and the work that Qualifications Wales is doing, how that is playing out in individual schools. But that would not be a positiveexperience; we want this to be taken in exactly the same way as we would expect a GCSE to be taught over a period of two years. But, Andrew, I don't know ifthere's anything you'd like to add from the college perspective.Andrew Clark: I think it is variable. I think that it will depend on the feeder schools to the collegesand it'll depend upon the delivery models that are in existence in those schools. It's been around as a qualification now for about a decade, I think. There havebeen differences in the way that the subject has been—sorry, not the subject, the qualification has been delivered. And I think it'll be helped by a recent reviewby Qualifications Wales, because they're doing a survey at the moment as to different delivery models in different locations, and that, perhaps, will inform more"}
{"doc_id":"doc_79","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Uh 'kay . So {disfmarker}Marketing: So so so .User Interface: Put on your mic .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} So you forgot how this worksagain ?User Interface: Boss .Project Manager: Yep .Industrial Designer: {gap} Boss .Marketing: Maybe . Maybe maybe maybe .Project Manager: Okay so we'rehere to talk about the detailed design of the product , 'kay ?User Interface: Yep .Project Manager: And here's the agenda for this meeting . Uh I'm just gonnaopen , say a few boring words to start with again , and start taking minutes afterwards . You guys are gonna give us a presentation of our wonder product that Ican see some demonstrations of over there . Looks cool . And then we're gonna evaluate it .Marketing: {vocalsound} BraUser Interface: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Then we're gonna talk about finance , and I've got a lovely Excel spreadsheet that I knocked up in the last five minutes for this . And uhIndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Hmm you knocked it up ?Project Manager: yep . And {vocalsound} we're gonna evaluate the product and close .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Got forty minutes to do this in . We should be fine . Let's try and keep this one on schedule.User Interface: Alright .Project Manager: So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Your thing is in {disfmarker} whereis it ? Is it in {disfmarker}User Interface: Three , three .Industrial Designer: Thi third third third . The end product thingy . Yeah .Project Manager: Who wants it?User Interface: Pedro can have it .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: I like {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {gap} .User Interface: I'll help talk.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Um yeah so what we ended up with . Production costs estimated by our manufacturing department and um the researchdepartment , which is us , is uh fifteen point eight Euros ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: someone forgot the {vocalsound} units thereUserInterface: Unit price .Industrial Designer: yeah , uh unit price {disfmarker} unit production price cost thing . Um we implemented the basic functions , which isjust T_V_ functions plus the locator , which was one of the marketing things , cradle , scroll wheel for uh the {vocalsound} the channels , and uh we implementedthe f the the way of putting the new and revolutionary zapping , your favourite channels functionality , in the scroll .Project Manager: Zapping your favouritechannels , eh ?Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Scrolling through your favourites list .Project Manager: Oh okay okay .Industrial Designer: Zapping youknow zapping .Project Manager: Ah 'kay okay , that's favourites .Industrial Designer: Maybe it's just a Portuguese thing {vocalsound} . And um yeah that was theresult .Project Manager: Ah 'kay . I like the the the the logo on there as well .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: It's very prominent {vocalsound}.Project Manager: It is very prominent . So this is the {disfmarker}User Interface: So {vocalsound} here I'll give you the {disfmarker} so this is the cradle unit ,and this is the actual remote itself . Um so the scroll bar is {disfmarker} or the scroll wheel is this this green little scrolly guy here , um and then the volumecontrols are here and here .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Uh you've got the keypad which is the numbers uh f from zero to nine and then ten . This isthe power button . Uh we have our um {vocalsound} we have the enter button and uh what was the other button here ? This is the teletext .Industrial Designer:Start s the the start uh to to toUser Interface: The programme button ,Industrial Designer: programme yeah .Project Manager: Ah , okay I see .User Interface:yeah the programme button . So this bl this button will be used both for the favourites and for programming {vocalsound} your uh the um the type of televisionyou wanna use . So um the plastic is the white area of this {disfmarker} of the model here , and the red area is like a rubber covering .Project Manager: It'spretty cool .User Interface: So you can see that when it lays like this or like this {disfmarker} and the buttons are all gonna be rubber , so it's pretty hard toactually damage it um {disfmarker}Project Manager: Is that {disfmarker} could that be easy to {disfmarker} for the scroll wheel to be rotated if it lands on it?User Interface: Yeah that might be a possible a mi uh possible problem , but if you drop it {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Not helping {vocalsound} .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}User Interface: yeah {vocalsound} .Project Manager: Oh well I guess it depends on the stiffness a little of it .User Interface: Yeah and itdepends on if it's sliding , but I think it's pretty ergonomic . You can feel it .Project Manager: Mm . Feels good .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager:I take it that this is gonna be slightly lighter in the final design as well .User Interface: Yeah of course . Well this is clay {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah it's kinda cool . You have to reach a little bit don't you .User Interface: Yeah the the power button is a bit of areach , but I think we might scale down the final model a bit .Project Manager: Ah yeah that wouldn't make sense .User Interface: {vocalsound} These{disfmarker} this is a bit larger than it would be , but {disfmarker}Project Manager: It's cool . I'm impressed .Industrial Designer: Don't have no one to handlethat .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: And hold it so {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Marketing: Mm that's {disfmarker}Project Manager: wh what's themarketing perspective ?Marketing: oh that's {disfmarker} oh I like it . I mean you guys gave me more than I was asking for , so I'm happy because we've gotsome really marketable features in this . Yeah I think it's good . Good good good job .User Interface: Mm Pedro can demonstrate the the paging ability .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah . So you ha you have like the the base station with um the little button for the where's my remote .User Interface: Beep beep beep .Marketing:{vocalsound} Uh plaUser Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: The locator function .Marketing: I'm haProject Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .Marketing:It's great . That's great . It's a great feature .User Interface: Um beep beep beep {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm it's impressing .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Wicked isn't it ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} So let me get it ,User Interface: so {vocalsound}Project Manager: if I press thisbutton {disfmarker}User Interface: beep beep beep {vocalsound}Project Manager: I see . That's pretty cool . Hang on . {vocalsound}User Interface: beep beepbeep {vocalsound} be shut up . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: So you can take this ho take this home with you tonight and you canpush that and he'll be across town {disfmarker}User Interface: Beep beep beep {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I plan to do that aswell .User Interface: okay . Um no no no tha that's alriProject Manager: {vocalsound} So the the two blue {disfmarker} are are those for the the it to charge offof {disfmarker} in ?User Interface: Exactly that's exactly what those are for .Project Manager: Ah okay okay .User Interface: And um there's one other featurethat we were debating , but we decided to go against it , is um {disfmarker} you couldIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}UserInterface: beep beep beep {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: we were thinking that it might be interesting to have atrigger button here because you have this finger {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah {vocalsound} it's the right shape isn't it ?User Interface: it it's it kinda feelslike there should be something there , but we couldn't figure out what button is important enough to put there . And we we don't wanna accidentally be hitting thepower button like that so {disfmarker}Project Manager: But maybe if you had a trigger plus the scroll then that would get past the the problem of it landing andscrolling ,User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: 'cause then it would need to be hit on both sides {gap} .User Interface: Right . So maybe in a final design phasewe might tweak that a little bit ,Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: but {disfmarker}Marketing: Uh , I can see that .Project Manager: But it's definitely gotoptions for like different types of models and things as well based on that , hasn't it ?User Interface: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Yep I like . Good job .Project Manager:So is that the the final colour scheme as well or ?Marketing: {vocalsound} No no .User Interface: Oh no this is {vocalsound} just what we had to work with at thetime .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: So we'll leave the colour scheme up to the marketing people .Project Manager: The {disfmarker} hmm .UserInterface: {vocalsound} Careful .Project Manager: It came off . The scroll wheels , {gap} a problem with them not being sort of {disfmarker}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I don't think the user interface guy wants to touch it anymore .Marketing: Well I mean of course, I mean {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: My my s my suggestion is we're gonna go go to the silvers andblacks like most of the televisions .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: You know some blend of silvers and blacks .User Interface: {vocalsound} Beep beep beep .{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay enough of that .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well i it's cool guys . 'Kay so are we donewith the this presentation ?User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Ja .Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Now now .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: So you're not gonna find my uh my folder up there I gotta do mine up at theboard .Project Manager: Have you ? Okay .Marketing: Yeah yeah . So {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Project Manager: Can I not get your get at stuff from yourshared folder now ?Marketing: No it's not in there because I had the computer problem and I I I cou I couldn't create it .Project Manager: Oh I see I see.Marketing: I couldn't create it in the PowerPoint ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: and I think I've got this really strange cable . So what I had ,basically going from the PowerPoint format , is that uh yeah yeah I like this a lot . Is this one of the tests is to see how we can adapt to s changing situations inthe in the meeting room ?Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Nah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: So what we had is wehad the method . That's not how you spell method , is it ?User Interface: No way .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: No A_ {vocalsound} . {gap} .{vocalsound} So this doesn't go so fast this way . And when I speak about method I speak about the marketing of the product huh . And uh to me with thisproduct we got uh {disfmarker} we got {vocalsound} basically three things to market . We've got the features , we have the uh characteristics , and we have the{vocalsound} I I don't know what we would call the other part {disfmarker} what we call you know the the {vocalsound} the corp corporate {disfmarker} Help"}
{"doc_id":"doc_80","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay , all set ? Welcome to the conceptual design meeting .User Interface: Uh , okay .Industrial Designer: Yes .Project Manager: The agenda .The opening . I'll again be the secretary and make minutes , take minutes , uh and it will be three presentations , just like the last meeting . So um ,{vocalsound} who wants to start off ? Technical uh designer again ?User Interface: {vocalsound} Again .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Hmm .ProjectManager: Uh , yeah . Uh , before we begin it , I want to say I've I've put the minutes of the uh second meeting in the shared folder , but they're still not uh quiteokay . It uh it uh still some technical difficulties so the the first part of the minutes are very hard to read , because there are two documents that uh were layeredover each other .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So {disfmarker}Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: But uh , from now on Iwon't use my pen anymore , so will be p just {vocalsound} ordinary keyboard .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: Uh , may be better , yeah .Marketing: Keyboard work . Yeah .Project Manager: I think it {gap} will will be more uh easy for you toread the minutes .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Alright .Industrial Designer: Okay , when we talk about uh components design , um it's really about thematerial and the {disfmarker} and uh uh really the stuff we build uh the remote controls of . Um , a remote control consist of uh components and the componentsof a remote control consist of uh properties and material . We have to choose th uh these uh wisely and it could affect uh uh a kind of grow of {disfmarker} in uhin buying uh the remote controls . Um , the components of a remote control are of course uh the case . Uh the properties of the case , um it has to be solid uh inhard material like uh hard plastic uh with soft rubber for uh falling and and uh uh {disfmarker} yeah , it feels uh good in your hand .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm the buttons has to be uh solid too , and the material is soft rubber . Uh I've got a uh email from the possibilities of RealReaction . Um uh they're telling me that um when we build uh a remote control of um of plastic or rubber , the uh buttons have to be uh rubber too . Mm{disfmarker} It's okay . Yeah . I when we use a rubbled {disfmarker} a doubled curved case , we must use a rubber push-buttons to {disfmarker} uh the therubber double-curved case is a is a t uh three-dimensional uh curve in the in the design , which is uh necessary when we want to be trendy . Uh {disfmarker}UmUser Interface: Oh .Industrial Designer: the energy source , uh I've got a lot of possibilities for that too . Um , uh the basic battery , which I thi prefer becauseof its uh its non uh non-depending of of of uh um {disfmarker} Uh here you have to have a hand uh {disfmarker} yeah , kinetic uh energy . Also in uh this one ,like in the watches , but a remote control can lie on a table for a day , and then you push uh a button and {disfmarker} so you don't have to uh walk with it allthe all the time . Mm , solar cells are also uh a bit weird for uh remote controls .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Um uh also the case material , uh I think that plastic is the is the best with rubber , because uh wood or titanium would also bea bit weird .User Interface: Oh titanium is probably trendy , I think . {gap} .Marketing: That's true , I guess . Yeah .User Interface: Well , maybe a little bitexpensive .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: I don't know .Industrial Designer: Uh , they don't tell anything about the cost of uh titanium .Marketing: Huh.Industrial Designer: Um the chip {disfmarker} uh the chip set uh and the board is uh all off the shelf . Also , the speaker in the remote control , when we want toretrieve it . Um , the base station is also off the shelf , all the materials and the components are uh just available in uh in our uh factory . Mm , I've told about uhthe three first points . Mm , the simple electronical chip uh is is available uh with the LED transmitter uh transmitter . Uh , it's all uh off the shelf and even thespeaker and the wireless retriever are all uh available in our company . Um , another possibility . I uh yeah , I looked up on was uh the L_C_D_ displays . Couldbe uh something special to our uh remote control , and it's possible , but it only cost a bit more , but maybe it can be uh within the limits of twenty five Euros.Project Manager: Twelve and a half . Actually {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Ah yeah .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah , production cost .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} I th I got an email with uh some examples and it {disfmarker} these were were the most trendiest one .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: You see uh a covers , which can be {disfmarker}Project Manager: What are those , t tooth uh brushes , or soUser Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Um , I don't know . Um {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: But it's actually kind of uh {disfmarker}UserInterface: I {disfmarker}Project Manager: well , it resembles the design I had in mind for this projIndustrial Designer: Yes .Project Manager: You know the thecartoonish {vocalsound} Alessi kind of design .Marketing: Yep .Industrial Designer: Yes , maybe we can uh bri uh bring a couple of uh couple of types of uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: And we can we can steal their ideas .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: maybe a kind of uh whole uh um a whole set ofuh different uh remote controls .Project Manager: Huh .Industrial Designer: Maybe we can bring a whole line uh with uh with a {gap} huge variety of uhProjectManager: Well , it's a possibility , too .Industrial Designer: uh house uh stuff .User Interface: Different colours also .Industrial Designer: Like uh {vocalsound}maybe radios and uh television also uh in this in this {disfmarker} in the same style , but {disfmarker}Project Manager: Uh-uh .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah ,that'll be for the future , I guess .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Next time we're here. {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yes , because we have to uh {disfmarker} we have to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we have to bring the logo and all the stuffuh back into it .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh , okay .Marketing: Yeah . Definitely .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface:{vocalsound} Okay .Industrial Designer: Thank you . {vocalsound}Marketing: Alright .User Interface: {gap} uh {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .That's okay .User Interface: Ah .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Well , I shall go to the next slide . UmMarketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: um , I stilldon't have any information about user requirements .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: I was thinking about just uh the basic functions and I got uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh , we decided upon that in the last meeting . Didn't we ?User Interface: Yeah , but but then wh I don't know when there are newuser requirements .Project Manager: Oh , okay . Well , tha I didn't receive any new requirements or somethiUser Interface: I ha I ha I have the I have{disfmarker}Project Manager: Just {disfmarker}User Interface: nothing .Project Manager: no , but we decided to use only b basic functions only .User Interface:Well , I have here a couple of basic functions I could think of .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: I dunno if they're {disfmarker} maybe a little bit more , but{disfmarker}Project Manager: Well we {disfmarker} maybe we can think of that later . W just {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: these are theones you already summed up in the {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah , I I uh {vocalsound} well , I pointed them out here , just to make it a little bit easier.Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Um Another function uh is {disfmarker} of course we already discuss it on the side . Um , I don't know what costs of it .Uh , I've no idea about it . Uh , I was also looking for what you said , for {disfmarker} I got an email uh uh about uh L_C_D_ in in in front of the remote control .I don't know if that's a good idea , or maybe it's a little bit too much for twelve and a half . Production .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: If we got alreadyuh something like a base .Industrial Designer: Uh-huh .Project Manager: That might get redundant also maybe . I don't know what kind of information it would{disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah , I don't know . I d I uh ju I was just thinking about it . Then I got a pop-ups to go to the meeting . But {disfmarker}Marketing:Mm yeah .Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah , it's okay .Industrial Designer: Maybe we can bring t uh uh teletext to the t {vocalsound} to the remote control .{vocalsound}User Interface: The remote control .Marketing: {vocalsound} Then you {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}{gap} a little uh too {disfmarker} {vocalsound} A little bit {disfmarker}Marketing: and then you've got a flag s {vocalsound} Very big R_C_ . Yeah .ProjectManager: Okay . {vocalsound} That's not {disfmarker} {vocalsound} It was not a good idea .User Interface: A little bit too big , I think . Exactly .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Um , yeah . Well , the functions are are not more to discuss , I think.Project Manager: No . No .User Interface: It's it's just the base things we already discussed that the {disfmarker} no V_C_R_ or that kind of{disfmarker}Marketing: No .User Interface: uh , so that's very easy . Um {disfmarker}Project Manager: But you do mention the next and previous uh button.User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: Well , that's next channel . I mean {gap} next channel .Marketing: Next channel , previouschannel .Project Manager: Oh , okay , o okay okay .User Interface: Uh {disfmarker} Um {disfmarker} oh , I I got an email with {disfmarker} {vocalsound} withan uh a remote control with a base .Project Manager: Huh .User Interface: So , it's uh just an idea . And I um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh thinked of thebutton sizes and I'm not sure uh if they have to be big or uh just small {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: But you're the expert .{vocalsound}Marketing: I think it depends on the function .User Interface: Well , I'm not a e I'm the expert for user-friendly , but not for trendiness .ProjectManager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Maybe it {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: Well , if you save uh {disfmarker} Perhaps uh s tiny buttons aren'tuser-friendly , then we wouldn't im implement that of course .Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Well uh {vocalsound}{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: okay , that's your point . Um , yeah . Yeah , okay .Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah , I've nothing to {vocalsound} sIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well , w when we only use basic functions ,we have the possibility to make the buttons larger .Marketing: Oh , that's right .User Interface: Uh , with a little bit larger , yeah .Marketing: Yeah .User"}
{"doc_id":"doc_81","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: {vocalsound} Wouldn't wanna be Project Manager . {vocalsound} Uh , what we going to do .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Um , once again I'm uh gonna take minutes . So , um no presentation for me . Uh , first we have a prototype presentation by G_and G_ .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Afterwards some uhUser Interface: Yo .Marketing: J_ andJ_ . {vocalsound}Project Manager: eval eval evaluIndustrial Designer: Evaluation .Project Manager: evaluationUser Interface: Evaluation criteria .Marketing:Evaluation .Project Manager: s {vocalsound} sorry .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh evaluation crit criteria . Uh , in combination with thefinance I um {vocalsound} uh I received uh a an uh an Excel uh fileUser Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: which we have to fill in lateron . Um , you see . Uh , and then we must see uh if we uh stay under the twelve and a half Euro .Marketing: Hmm . Interesting . Ah , okay .Project Manager: So ,that's uh that's a bigUser Interface: {vocalsound} Oops .Marketing: {vocalsound} Cool . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm . That's gonna be t problem.Project Manager: l so let's uh wait it uh umMarketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: we have we have must {disfmarker} uh ,UserInterface: Some creative uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: we must have uh some time for that uh because it will be uh {disfmarker} yeah , quite a lot ofmathematics .User Interface: Oh . Yeah .Project Manager: And after that , uh uh an evaluation of uh the process how we uh how we have done it here with theSMARTboard , with the with our laptops , with the {disfmarker} all uh all this . And uh afterwards , uh we closing . Once again , forty minutes , so uh let's start.User Interface: Ok okay .Project Manager: I would g give the word to um G_ and G_ for the prototype presentation .User Interface: Shall I give a shortintroduction and then uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah , well sure .Marketing: J_ and J_ .Project Manager: J_ and J_ .User Interface: Okay .{vocalsound} J_ and J_ , okay .Marketing: Jane and Jane .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: 'Kay guys , take it away .User Interface: Take it away.Industrial Designer: Hi .Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Um , this was our first concept . We decided to usea single touch-screen . So , we've worked out this concepts , how to how to hold it , where to put the buttons and and stuff . And um , well , we began with uhwith a form of shape , that is uh is easy to hold w in one hand , left or right handed .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: So , we made i it a little bitless thick and uh it has some ar artistic meaning . No ? This uh isn't nothing . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}UserInterface: Idea maybe uh is better .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Um well , during the meeting I showed you the concept of uh placing thebuttons on top , usable with your thumb , and uh the menu structure , uh if necessary , with your other hand , so it's just gonna hold it easily .Project Manager:{vocalsound}User Interface: And it has to be acce accessible with your uh other hand too , of course .Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}UserInterface: So we began uh working out a concept .Industrial Designer: Yeah , uh well , and as you saw , we would just have the basic remote with the panelL_C_D_ uh screen . Well , these would be the main buttons , h you could uh change them later on in your own profile if you want to . But , well it's standard theywill be delivered with this kind of uh set-up . We have the {gap} more advanced menu uh setting right here . We have the sub-menus and stu stuff . We made atop {disfmarker} oh , or a front view . Just so like you wanna uh back view . As you can see , this uh {disfmarker} there , there are uh two uh weird bumps in it.Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} This is for uh the added uh effect of uh well uh y youth and dynamic .And uh this is for the artistic effect .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Well , what we figured is uh we'll show you a picture {gap} later on {gap}you have more b a better idea after that . But , idea is for to stay in balance with these two uh {disfmarker} with these two .Marketing: Hmm .IndustrialDesigner: And so when you put it on the table , it will just {gap} lay down . It won't {vocalsound} uh roll around or stuff . But it will lie more in your hand like anold telephone maybe , or like these old uh phones .Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: Y you you may get the idea . So thi this is about uh how we figuredit should be . The s panel we g you would hide with some more uh rubber layers , like we discussed early on . Uh , you would s you wouldn't see the uh straightpanel , but more fluidly and round .User Interface: Yeah , the panel just uh of course goes like this .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: But the overlayinglayer is uh a little bit uh curved and stuff .Project Manager: No , okay .Marketing: Okay .Industrial Designer: And uh , in these bumps you could actually uh {gap}put some electronics uh that would {disfmarker} you can make a more thinner uh design ,Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: and that would actually look verynice , yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: And uh , about the colour , what have {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah . Oh , we added that this um canbe held with your hands for this {disfmarker} maximum is om yeah , one and a half centimetres . So , you have room here for your battery and maybe evenother um electronic chips . S and you can just be the the layer of the touchscreen and some {disfmarker} have some wires underneath it to make it as uh thin aspossible in the middle for good grip .Marketing: Okay . Hmm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah , f uh , as colours , do you do you have the picture in uh{disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Oh yeah . Now , well this is the idea about uh the bumps . Uh , you can see there's a v a very uh youthfuluh dynamic uh exterior . It uh {disfmarker} you just want to hold it you uh you are young and uh dynamic like us .Marketing: 'S l {disfmarker} it's like an uhEaster egg .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah , it's like an e but this is for children . We we want a more adult version . But , this is like a remotecontrol for children .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: It's called a weemote {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {gap} . A weemote.Marketing: Weemote .Project Manager: Weemote .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Hey , that's actually a brilliant uh marketing stand .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh , but {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Marketing:{vocalsound} Wait what I w got in mind . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So this actually basic theidea . We we just want to build a more uh adult vers adult version of of this .Project Manager: Yeah , I can imagine that .Marketing: Mm-hmm .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} And and for colours , we we figured starting with basic colours like uh white or metallic grey . Those are the technological colours actually,User Interface: Yeah . It would be best to to appeal to a broad public and make the covers exchangeable ,Industrial Designer: so it dUser Interface: so the youngpeople will buy an orange and a red and blue and a purple ,Industrial Designer: Or blue or whatever .User Interface: but when the o older people uh go in theshop and they see uh an orange um remote control , it would be less appealing than a white one . And young people , we think , are a little bit more flexible,Marketing: Hmm .User Interface: they think , ah I'll buy for a couple of Euros some noi nice hip uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Hmm . Maybe it's an idea to sell itwithout a cover , so that you can pick a cover in the in the shop .User Interface: Well , um I think a cover is necessary , 'cause als otherwise you'll just have theL_C_D_ screen .Marketing: Yeah , okay . Yeah , okay .User Interface: So , there must be some cheap standard cover , um maybe white or something ,Marketing:Hmm . Mm .User Interface: that's could comes with it and you can buy , so we can make extra money .Project Manager: Yeah , but uh you d you mustn't forgetthat uh our target aim is younger people .Marketing: Oui okay .Project Manager: Uh , we had decided to uh put uh some flashy fruity colours in it , uh and uh inthe survey from uh Milan and Paris uh it uh it came out that uh uh the d the older people are uh more willing to uh to spend money on extra features . So I thinkuh it will be a better idea to have some uh flashy fruity colours as as a standard ,User Interface: Okay . The other way around , you mean .Industrial Designer:{gap} Oh yeah .Project Manager: and for the people who uh really want uh a more sophisticated , more traditional look , they're willing to pay uh that .UserInterface: Uh-huh .Project Manager: They want uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} they want more luxury stuff ,Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: but theyhave the money to do it and they want to b to buy that .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So , maybe it's an idea to put that as an extra and not as astandard .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah , maybe {disfmarker} yeah , perhaps you're right . Uh , I I would I wouldactually agree with this sounds logical .User Interface: Okay , yeah .Marketing: An another idea . Uh , maybe we could uh develop a cover uh with wood style.Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} They'll please the elder users as well .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Well yeah , a colour of{disfmarker} a wood style , a white c and uh a couple of h hip uh fruity colours .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: And lea uh l deliveredstandard with a fruity colour , but not too not too much .Industrial Designer: Nah . Yeah .Marketing: Yes . Not not too uh {disfmarker} yeah .User Interface: Thisis banana and mango , not not purple or p orange and yellow .Marketing: Yeah , exactly .Project Manager: Yeah . But , the mai I think th uh the standard must besome kind of uh uh attractive flashy colours .Marketing: Yeah . Or blue or {disfmarker}Project Manager: Not too , but w a little ,User Interface: Ah . Mm-hmm.Project Manager: because that's our aim .Industrial Designer: Yeah ,User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: li like like this like this .Project Manager: Yeah.Industrial Designer: This isn't this isn't too much , is it ?User Interface: Yeah , okay . No . Yeah .Industrial Designer: I fMarketing: {gap} .Project Manager: Well ,the buttons don't have to be uh all uh all of {gap}Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound} The buttons ,Marketing: Well I I I think so .Industrial Designer: I{disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah , except for the buttons it's {disfmarker} it could be a standard model .Project Manager: yeah . It {disfmarker} Yeah.User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Yeah , uh something like this would be nice .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Okay ,"}
{"doc_id":"doc_82","qid":"","text":"Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Children, Young People and Education committee this morning. We've received apologies forabsence from Siân Gwenllian and there is no substitute this morning. Can I ask if Members have got any declarations of interest they'd like to make, please? No?Okay. Thank you. Item 2 this morning, then, is a further session on our follow-up on our 'Mind over matter' report. I'm very pleased to welcome Carol Shillabeer,who is chief executive of Powys Teaching Health Board, and who manages the Together for Children and Young People programme. Thank you very much forattending, and thank you for the written update that you provided in advance to the committee. We've got a lot of ground that we want to cover this morning, soif it's okay we'll go straight into questions. If I can just start and ask you if you're satisfied with the progress that's been made since the programme wasestablished in 2015.Carol Shillabeer: Thank you very much for that question, Chair. I've got to say 'yes', in many regards. So, the key focus of the programme inthe early stages was about improving access to specialist child and adolescent mental health services. We developed the windscreen model—or we lifted thewindscreen model. Other models that are very similar have been talked about as well, and our big focus was on ensuring that we could make immediate progressaround access to specialist CAMHS. It's some years ago now since this committee did the original report, and obviously Healthcare Inspectorate Wales and theWales Audit Office had done reports in the past, and I think there was a need for a programme that could focus on action. You'll see in the written update that wecovered quite a large number of areas, and so therefore had to make a prioritisation. The prioritisation was at the specialist CAMHS end. We have provided thecommittee with a red, amber or green rating of where we feel that we were, and that was just before submission of the evidence. Overall I would say we havemade progress. I recognise you recognise that in your 'Mind over matter' report, and that is pleasing. What I would say, though, is that there's a still a lot to bedone. Certainly over the last nine months or so, we've seen a real momentum around the whole-school approach work, which we're not actually leading now as aprogramme, although we facilitated the workshop held in September. But that's got a real momentum, and the absolute priority now is the early help andenhanced support part of the work moving forward, and I'm sure we will come on to that in more detail. But we know there is more community workforce inspecialist CAMHS, we know we're seeing children in a shorter time frame, and we know we're accepting more referrals, so our indicators are telling us we aremaking progress.Lynne Neagle AM: Thank you. And you referred to the work on the whole-school approach, which is very welcome, and I recognise that theprogramme has been involved in driving that as well. But I'm sure you'll also recognise the emphasis that the committee has placed on this being a whole-systemapproach to children and young people's mental health, and we feel very strongly that if any of the areas get out of balance, then it will jeopardise the progress inother parts of the programme. Are there any particular areas where you feel you haven't made enough progress that you'd like to draw the committee's attentionto?Carol Shillabeer: This is maybe about what the programme's done, but really around the broader sense as well. I'm going to be very straight and say weshould have made more progress on psychological therapies. I'm disappointed that we haven't. I'm assured that we've got capacity in place now and the drive inplace to get the Matrics Cymru framework developed for children and young people. I've had discussions with the national psychological therapies committee,who have owned this, and we're working together more on this area. That's not to say for one minute that health boards and local areas haven't been working onpsychological therapy service provision and changing the models, but that is an area we should have made, I think, earlier progress on. There's been a generalreflection from myself and the Together for Children and Young People programme board over the phase of the programme. I think we started very strongly; Ithink we probably had a bit of a lull in the middle, if I'm truthful about that—we had a change of personnel, and we really gathered a momentum over the lastyear or 18 months, and that has helped to push us from a focus on specialist CAMHS into that whole-school approach. But, if I could just agree with yourcomments about the whole system, it has to be the whole system and that's why the real focus now on early help and enhanced support is critical. If I can justsay, in case I don't get a chance to say this later, I was delighted to see the focus on youth work yesterday, because what is clear is for that part, the early helpand enhanced support, this isn't just about the NHS and it's not just about education, it's about every part of the system, really, which does make it morecomplex. But I just wanted to say that I think that youth work has perhaps not have the recognition that it's needed and yesterday was a positive step.LynneNeagle AM: Okay, thank you. We've got some questions now on early help and enhanced support from Janet Finch-Saunders.Janet Finch-Saunders AM: Thankyou. Good morning. In terms of local primary mental health support services, what is your understanding of the issues leading to some health boards not meetingthe Mental Health (Wales) Measure 2010 targets for assessment and therapy for children and young people, and how much of this is due to an increase indemand?Carol Shillabeer: Yes, thanks very much. So, it's important to say, I think, at the outset, just by way of reminder, that the target, quite rightly, changedfor children and young people. The target changed some years ago for adults, so it was only right that there was an equalisation around children. So, the serviceswere working, a couple of years ago, with significant demand and then a change in the standard. I think you're absolutely right; your question alludes to the factthat some health boards are struggling to maintain the full performance around seeing children, particularly within the 28 days. I would say—. And we've hadsome discussion about whether the impact of the mental health Measure has actually drawn perhaps some of the workforce, the staff, who would have beenworking at that earlier stage in local primary mental health, into a bit more of the secondary element, which is why the review being undertaken by the NHSdelivery unit into primary care CAMHS is so critical, because, actually, if we don't have—and I believe we don't have—enough capacity in that part of the system,then referrals will move towards the more specialist end of this. So, I think we will have seen, by the evidence submission, that demand has increased, not just inWales but in the UK, and it has increased significantly. We are doing reasonably well at meeting that demand—so, we have more contacts, more staff, shorteraccess times, so that is a good news story. We've not got it completely sustained at this stage, and therefore the focus of the delivery unit's primary care CAMHSreport is what more can we do in that part of the system to help to see children and young people or provide consultation and liaison to others and support peopleat that level of intervention.Janet Finch-Saunders AM: Thank you. I know, from my own experience as a constituency AM, I have families who tell me that theycan't get into the early interventions and eventually things just become so—they end up in the more specialist ones and believe that that's—. And I don't like toput it in resource terms, but it's false economy in terms of the impact on the child and the family, but, obviously, in terms of cost as well. Do you find that that's acommon theme across Wales?Carol Shillabeer: Yes. I think that the thrust of that is absolutely right. So, we absolutely need to see children and families at theearliest intervention and that's why this is a whole system, not compartmentalised. I think there have been really good attempts in a couple of areas of thatgreater reach out and that earlier help—hot clinics and those sorts of initiatives that help people not to get in a long queue for specialist CAMHS, but can besupported, often by telephone, at that earlier stage. My sense of where we go next, in terms of, you know, you talk about early help and enhanced support for allthe 'missing middle', as you referred to it in your report, is to make sure we've got a fully joined-up, multi-agency team approach to that. And I think that willneed some resourcing to support that, yet to be fully determined. But yesterday's announcement about youth work, the Government's commitment to primarycare, CAMHS, et cetera—that's all going to be very helpful to prevent those young people having to go into specialist CAMHS. And just a final note on that, if Imay—at the beginning of the programme, we had a report from Hafal called 'Making Sense' and there were 10 key asks, if you like, of the system and the servicefrom young people who had experience of the service. They said, 'Please don't medicalise it'—I'm paraphrasing now, of course—'Please don't medicalise it; pleasefocus on supporting teachers and others who can support us at an earlier stage and then, when we really need help, please ensure that it is there at that morespecialist level.' That's been a bit of a guiding principle for the programme. So, that reflects the questions that you were asking, really.Janet Finch-Saunders AM:Thank you. What are the outcomes of the stakeholder workshop held last week on early help and enhanced support? And how are the actions going to be takenforward and implemented? And also, given that the Together for Children and Young People programme comes to an end in October of this year, who, in yourview, is best placed to forward this work stream, and what will be the biggest challenges? It's a bit of a long question, so, break it up however you like.CarolShillabeer: That's absolutely fine.Janet Finch-Saunders AM: And what will be the biggest challenges that they will face?Carol Shillabeer: Yes, I think that'shelpfully laid out in three stages. So, you're absolutely right, there was a highly successful workshop last week really focusing on early help and enhancedsupport. It brought all of the agencies together, which was—and actually had a bit of a waiting list, apparently, for places. So, there was a lot of demand and a lotof interest in this. In relation to the next steps, there is a planning group reflection in early July, in terms of the outcomes of the workshop or the outputs of theworkshop, and there are three commitments that have been made to this stage. One is that we develop those values-led approaches that will bring multipleagencies together to have that common purpose. The second one is to develop the ingredients for successful working in this area, and then, thirdly, to determineor propose priorities and sequencing of next steps. So, that's the next stage of that. I'm pretty sure we'll come on shortly—or hopefully—to the potential of theregional partnership boards. There is some work that we are doing as a programme with the children's commissioner in terms of working more with the regional"}
{"doc_id":"doc_83","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay Right {vocalsound} Um well this is the kick-off meeting for our our project . Um {vocalsound} and um this is just what we're gonna bedoing over the next twenty five minutes . Um so first of all , just to kind of make sure that we all know each other ,Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: I'mLaura and I'm the project manager . {vocalsound} Do you want to introduce yourself again ?Marketing: Great .Industrial Designer: Hi , I'm David and I'msupposed to be an industrial designer .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: And I'm Andrew and I'm uh our marketingUser Interface: Um I'm Craig and I'm UserInterface .Marketing: expert .Project Manager: Great . Okay . {vocalsound} Um so we're designing a new remote control and um {disfmarker} Oh I have torecord who's here actually . So that's David , Andrew and Craig , isn't it ? And you all arrived on time . Um yeah so des uh {vocalsound} design a new remotecontrol . Um , as you can see it's supposed to be original , trendy and user friendly . Um so that's kind of our our brief , as it were . Um and so there are threedifferent stages to the design . Um I'm not really sure what what you guys have already received um in your emails . What did you get ?Industrial Designer: Um ,I just got the project announcement about what the project is {vocalsound} .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Designing a remote control.Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: That's about it , didn't get anything else .Marketing: Mm-hmm . Yeah , that's that's it .Project Manager: Is that whateverybody got ?Industrial Designer: Did you get the same thing ?User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Um . So we'regonna have like individual work and then a meeting about it . And repeat that process three times . Um and at this point we get try out the whiteboard over there. Um . {vocalsound} So uh you get to draw your favourite animal and sum up your favourite characteristics of it . So who would like to go first ?Marketing: I willgo . That's fine .Project Manager: Very good . {vocalsound}Marketing: Alright . So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} This one here , right ?ProjectManager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Okay . Very nice . Alright . My favourite animal is like {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} A beagle .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: Um charac favourite characteristics of it ? Is that right ?Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah .Marketing: Uh , right , well basically um highpriority for any animal for me is that they be willing to take a lot of physical affection from their family . And , yeah that they have lots of personality and uh be fitand in robust good health .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: So this is blue . Blue beagle . My family's beagle .Project Manager: Right .Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Lovely . {vocalsound}User Interface: {gap} Well , my favourite animal would be a monkey .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Then they're small cute and furry , and uh when planet of the apes becomes real ,{vocalsound} I'm gonna be up there with them .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Cool .Project Manager: Right .User Interface: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: There's too much gear . {vocalsound}Project Manager: You can take as long over this as you like , because we haven't got anawful lot to discuss .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Ok oh we do we doUser Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Don't feel like you're ina rush , anyway .Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing: I coulda told you a whole lot more about beagles .Project Manager: Ach {gap} why not{disfmarker}Marketing: Boy , let me tell you . {vocalsound}Project Manager: We might have to get you up again then .User Interface: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: I don't know what mine is . I'm gonna have to think on the spot now .Marketing: Impressionist .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Can't draw . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Um .Project Manager: Is that a whale ?{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah . Um , well anyway , I don't know , it's just the first animal I can think off the top of my head . Um . Yes . Big reason is'cause I'm allergic to most animals . Allergic to animal fur ,Project Manager: Ah .Industrial Designer: so um fish was a natural choice . Um , yeah , and I kind oflike whales . They come in and go {vocalsound} eat everything in sight . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:And they're quite harmless and mild and interesting .Marketing: {vocalsound} Alright . Mm .Project Manager: Okay . God , I still don't know what I'm gonna writeabout . Um .Marketing: Superb sketch , by the way .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Tail's a bit big , I think . {vocalsound}Project Manager: I was gonnachoose a dog as well .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: But I'll just draw a different kind of dog .Marketing: Yep .Project Manager: M my favourite animalis my own dog at home . {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker} That doesn't really look like him , actually . He looks more like a pig , actually . Ah well .Marketing: I seea dog in there .Project Manager: Do you ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh that's very good of you .Marketing: Yep . {vocalsound} Now I see arooster .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh .Marketing: What kind is it ?ProjectManager: Um he's a mixture of uh various things . Um and what do I like about him , um {disfmarker} That's just to suggest that his tail wags .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um he's very friendly and cheery and always pleased to see you , and very kind of affectionateand um {vocalsound} uh and he's quite quite wee as well so you know he can {disfmarker} doesn't take up too much space .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Um and uh {disfmarker} And he does a funny thing where he chases his tail as well ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: which is quiteamusing , so {disfmarker}Marketing: Is he aware that th it's his own cha tail he's chasing ?Project Manager: It is . I think it is . He only does it after he's had hisdinnerMarketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: and um he'll just all of a sudden just get up and start chasing his tail 'round the living room .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} It's an after dinner dog then .Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: Yeah , so uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Probably when he was little he got lots ofattention for doing it and has forever been conditioned .Project Manager: Yeah , maybe . Maybe . {vocalsound} Right , um where did you find this ?Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Just down here ? Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound} Um what are we doing next ? Uhum . Okay , uh we now need to discuss the project finance . Um so according to the brief um we're gonna be selling this remote control for twenty five Euro , umand we're aiming to make fifty million Euro . Um so we're gonna be selling this on an international scale . And uh we don't want it to cost any more than uh twelvefifty Euros , so fifty percent of the selling price .Marketing: 'Kay . Um , can we just go over that again ?Project Manager: Sure .Marketing: Uh , so bas at twelAlright , yeah . Okay . So cost {disfmarker} like production cost is twelve fifty ,Project Manager: All together .Marketing: but selling price is {disfmarker} is thatwholesale or retail ? Like on the shelf .Project Manager: Um I dunno . I imagine {disfmarker} That's a good question .Marketing: Our sale our sale anyway.Project Manager: I imagine it probably is our sale actuallyMarketing: Yeah , okay okay .Project Manager: because it's probably up to the the um the retailer to uhsell it for whatever price they want . Um .Marketing: Okay . Mm-hmm .Project Manager: But I {disfmarker} I don't know ,Marketing: Alright .Project Manager: Imean do you think the fact that it's going to be sold internationally will have a bearing on how we design it at all ?Marketing: Yes . {vocalsound}Project Manager:Think it will ? Um .Marketing: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Hmm .Marketing: Well right away I'm wondering if there's um th th uh , likewith D_V_D_ players , if there are zones .Project Manager: Oh yeah , regions and stuff , yeah .Marketing: Um f frequencies or somethingProject Manager: Yeah .Okay .Marketing: um as well as uh characters , um different uh keypad styles and s symbols .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: Yeah . Well for aremote control , do you think that will be {disfmarker}Marketing: Um .Project Manager: I suppose it's depends on how complicated our remote control is.Marketing: I don't know . Yeah .Industrial Designer: It does make sense from maybe the design point of view 'cause you have more complicated characters likeEuropean languages , then you need more buttons .Project Manager: Yeah , yeah .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: So , possibly .Marketing: Yeah .ProjectManager: Okay .Marketing: And then a and then al the other thing international is on top of the price . I'm thinking the price might might appeal to a certainmarket in one region , whereas in another it'll be different , so {disfmarker}Project Manager: What , just like in terms of like the wealth of the country?Marketing: Just a chara just a characteristic of the {disfmarker}Project Manager: Like how much money people have to spend on things like ?Marketing: Just{disfmarker} Or just like , basic product podi positioning , the twenty five Euro remote control might be a big hit in London , might not be such a big hit in Greece, who knows ,Project Manager: Aye , I see what you mean , yeah .Marketing: something like that , yeah .Project Manager: Marketing . Good marketing thoughts.Marketing: {vocalsound} Yep .Project Manager: Oh gosh , I should be writing all this down . Um .Marketing: Right away I'm making some kind of assumptionsabout what what information we're given here ,Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: thinking , 'kay trendy probably means something other than just basic ,ProjectManager: Yeah .Marketing: something other than just standard . Um so I'm wondering right away , is selling twenty five Euros , is that sort of the {disfmarker}thi is this gonna to be like the premium product kinda thing or {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah , yeah . Like how much does , you know , a remote controlcost .Marketing: Uh-huh .Project Manager: Well twenty five Euro , I mean that's um that's about like eighteen pounds or something , isn't it ? Or no , is it as muchas that ?Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Sixteen seventeen eighteen pounds .Marketing: Yep . Yeah , I'd say so , yeah .Project Manager: Um , I dunno ,I've never bought a remote control , so I don't know how how good a remote control that would get you . Um .Marketing: No . Yeah , yeah . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: But yeah , I suppose it has to look kind of cool and gimmicky .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Um right , okay . Let me just scoot on ahead here. Okay . Um well d Does anybody have anything to add to uh to the finance issue at all ? ThinMarketing: Do we have any other background information on like"}
{"doc_id":"doc_84","qid":"","text":"Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and Education Committee this morning. I've received no apologies forabsence. Can I ask Members if there are any declarations of interest, please? No. Okay, thank you. Item 2 this morning is our scrutiny session on Estyn's annualreport 2018-19. I'm very pleased to welcome Meilyr Rowlands, Her Majesty's Chief Inspector, Estyn; Jassa Scott, strategic director at Estyn; and Claire Morgan,strategic director at Estyn. Thank you all for attending. We're looking forward to hearing what you've got to say. We'll go straight into questions from SuzyDavies.Suzy Davies AM: Bore da. Good morning, everybody. Thank you for the papers upfront, in which you say that the most striking feature of the educationsystem, looking forward, of course is the curriculum and the change that that's bringing. How can we be sure that, during this period of change, standards don'tslip? And also, from the point of view of scrutiny, will we be back in a situation where we're being told, 'You can't compare one set of results against the previousyear's results, because of the nature of the change'?Meilyr Rowlands: Bore da, bawb. Thank you for the invitation to come here. I think that's a good question. Ithink any kind of major educational reform has got risks attached to it, particularly if those changes were made too quickly. I think this process of reform hasbeen going on in the background for a few years now, so I think there is a track record of standards and provision not slipping. We've seen small incrementalimprovements. So, overall, I think we can be fairly confident that standards won't slip during this period of preparation.Suzy Davies AM: Can I just ask: is thatbased on your evidence around primary schools, where the sort of ethos that we've seen in the curriculum has been already articulated through the foundationphase?Meilyr Rowlands: The track record I'm talking about is across the board, so it's very difficult to think of anything that's actually got worse over the lastthree or four years, so it's difficult to say that standards of provision is slipping. It might not be improving as quickly as we would like, but the purpose of majorcurriculum and, more generally, educational reform is to make sure that we do get a more substantial sort of improvement. I think we should congratulate theprofession for the work they've been doing. A large number of schools and teachers and leaders have been part of preparing the new curriculum and all theassociated work, as well as doing the day job. I think their commitment and their engagement with curriculum reform, and engagement with wider educationreform, is to be congratulated. So, I think going forward, we must make sure that that is continued; that this process that's called co-construction—engaging withthe profession, making sure that they're behind all the changes—continues. I think that's what's going to make sure that we don't see any slippage.Suzy DaviesAM: Okay, and on that point of comparing year on year, we will be able to make those comparisons legitimately then?Meilyr Rowlands: Yes, certainly, in terms ofour inspection outcomes and our inspection work, yes.Suzy Davies AM: Okay. That's great, thank you. Can I just ask you then about the difference inpreparedness between primary and secondary schools, which I've just mentioned previously, and also what your views are on the impact of funding for schools onthat as well? Because we're in a situation where a number of primary schools have got surplus funds, sometimes that's because of end of year additional fundsjust being magicked up, but there is a serious worry that so many secondary schools are in deficit and that, overall, secondary schools are in deficit. Is there acorrelation between those two positions, that secondary schools may be less ready for this than primary schools?Meilyr Rowlands: I think it's probably true to saythat secondary schools have a greater challenge than primary schools generally in terms of preparedness for the new curriculum. I think that's why we welcomedthe phasing in of the new curriculum. With any sort of education reform, you've got that danger of people wanting to see change as soon as possible on the onehand, and on the other hand you need time to pilot things, to make sure that people have the right professional learning and make sure that there's opportunityfor evaluation and thinking and so forth. So, we've got to get that balance right.Suzy Davies AM: Sorry, that could be difficult to do if a school doesn't havemoney to create that space, couldn't it?Meilyr Rowlands: Yes. You raised two issues, I think. One, about the difference between primary and secondary: I thinkwhat I'm saying there is I think the fact that the new curriculum is going to be brought in for all the years in primary, but it's going to be phased in year by yearfor secondary is a recognition of that difference. In terms of funding, probably everyone in this room, and certainly me included, would like to see more money forthe education system—any educationalist would like to see that. But, you know, that is a decision for local and central Government to decide how much they canafford. I think there is an argument for saying that the funding has become more challenging for schools over time.Suzy Davies AM: Can I ask, just to keep it ontrack, are you finding that that's having an impact on secondary schools particularly—their ability to make space to get their heads around the curriculum?MeilyrRowlands: I don't think you can make that straightforward correlation. But if you do look at surpluses and reserves, they have been more or less constant forprimary schools over a long period of time, but they have declined for secondary schools. So, I think there probably is an argument for saying that we need tolook at the funding of secondary schools in particular because, overall, they're in deficit now. So, I think there is an argument for looking at that. The other thingthat's worth saying about funding is that even a small decrease in real terms can be disproportionately time consuming to manage. So, you know, if you have alarge school and you have to maybe make one member of staff redundant, it can have a real big effect on the morale in the school. But also the time it takes forthe headteacher and the senior staff to make those decisions can take their eye off the educational ball because they're looking at these financial and staffingissues.Suzy Davies AM: Okay, thank you. Siân might develop that a little bit further on. The final question from me is: there's a general concern about thenumber of teachers that we have in the system at the moment, particularly at secondary level and in particular subjects as well. How do you think we canimprove that? What impact is it likely to have on the ability of secondary schools to really get a grip on this?Meilyr Rowlands: Obviously, the most importantresource for the education system is the teachers. So, it is a concern that recruitment is getting more and more difficult and that targets for initial teacher trainingare not being hit. And we're not seeing them hit, if I remember correctly, even in primary, let alone secondary. So, there is a challenge, and I think we've got tolook at this in the round. We've got to make sure that we have both a long-term strategy and a shorter term strategy for this. So, long term, we've got to makesure that education is an attractive option for young people and more mature people to want to go into. So, that is partly to do with workload and staff well-being.I think there's a general acceptance now that that needs to be higher up on the agenda, that people need to take that seriously, and there's work going onregarding the workload issue.Suzy Davies AM: I suppose what I'm coming to, and I will finish with this, Chair, is, we're asking our existing workforce to undertakea fair bit of continuous professional development—let's call it that—in order to get ready for this curriculum when they've barely got time for lunch as it is. Do youthink that's going to have an impact on the ability of secondary schools to get to grips with this, albeit that there'll be a phasing in?Meilyr Rowlands: Yes. I think itwill have an effect, but I think it'll have a positive effect. I think the new curriculum, one of the things about the new curriculum is that it re-professionalises theprofession. It gives back agency and ownership to teachers. I think it's really important. And one of the reasons why teaching maybe hasn't been that attractive aprofession is that teachers in the past have just been delivering a set curriculum, and now they've got a much more creative part in deciding for themselves howto teach something and what to teach. So, I think that is a very important part of attracting intelligent people into the profession.  There are short-term things weneed to do, of course, as well. I think we need to have a much more varied set of routes into teaching, so I welcome some of the part-time Open Universitycourses, for example. So, there are lots of ways—we were talking about maybe converting people from primary into secondary, particularly in Welsh-medium,where there's a shortage. So, all those kinds of varied routes, I think, into teaching, are important as well.Suzy Davies AM: Degree apprenticeships,potentially.Meilyr Rowlands: Yes, I think it's well worth exploring that. Yes.Suzy Davies AM: Lovely. Thank you. Thank you, Chair.Lynne Neagle AM: Okay. SiânGwenllian now has some questions on secondary schools causing concern. Siân.Sian Gwenllian AM: Yes. Just before going on to that, just to pick up on that lastpoint that you made about the shortage of teachers and losing teachers during the first year of their training. Has Estyn done any themed work on that particularissue, or do you intend to do anything on that? Also, looking at the financial incentives and how they compare with the situation in England, for example; do weneed, perhaps, to think about financial incentives, not just for specific subjects, but for going to schools where there are particular issues, perhaps?MeilyrRowlands: Well, yes, there are currently discussions ongoing between us and the Government about working in those early years for teachers. It's possible thatwe will be undertaking work in the near future on that. I know that Professor Mick Waters is looking at this currently, and we've had the discussion with him. AndI think we would welcome the opportunity to look at this particular period. Now, we are, of course, looking at initial teacher training, but we haven't looked at thefirst couple of years for many a year.Sian Gwenllian AM: Right, thank you very much. And for your information, I've commissioned a piece of work on thatparticular issue, and that work will be published in due course. So, I hope to have a discussion with you about that.Meilyr Rowlands: Thank you very much.Yes.Sian Gwenllian AM: In terms of the secondary schools, that’s where the problem lies, isn’t it, rather than the primary sector. How much of a concern is it toyou that children’s chances of going to a secondary school that is good or better appear to be 50:50, and that, indeed, over 10 per cent of secondary schools arejudged to be failing and 12 per cent are under Estyn review? How much of a concern is that to you?Meilyr Rowlands: Well, it is of concern to us, of course. I hopethat we will have an opportunity to talk about the positive aspects of the education system in Wales, because there are a number of good things we can report"}
{"doc_id":"doc_85","qid":"","text":"Professor B: Is it starting now ?PhD E: Yep .Professor B: So what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} from {disfmarker} what {disfmarker}Grad A: Hello ?ProfessorB: Whatever we say from now on , it can be held against us , right ?PhD E: That 's right .Professor B: and uhGrad A: It 's your right to remain silent .Professor B:Yeah . So I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the problem is that I actually don't know how th these held meetings are held , if they are very informaland sort of just people are say what 's going onPhD E: Yeah .Professor B: andPhD E: Yeah , that 's usually what we do .Professor B: OK .PhD E: We just sorta goaround and people say what 's going on , what 's the latest uh {disfmarker}Professor B: Yeah . OK . So I guess that what may be a {disfmarker} reasonable is if Iuh first make a report on what 's happening in Aurora in general , at least what from my perspective .PhD E: Yeah . That would be great .Professor B: And{disfmarker} and uh so , I {disfmarker} I think that Carmen and Stephane reported on uh Amsterdam meeting ,PhD D: Uh oProfessor B: which was kind ofinteresting because it was for the first time we realized we are not friends really , but we are competitors . Cuz until then it was sort of like everything was likewonderful and {disfmarker}PhD E: Yeah . It seemed like there were still some issues ,Professor B: Yeah .PhD E: right ? that they were trying to decide ?ProfessorB: There is a plenty of {disfmarker} there 're plenty of issues .PhD E: Like the voice activity detector ,Professor B: Well and what happened was that they realizedthat if two leading proposals , which was French Telecom Alcatel , and us both had uh voice activity detector . And I said \" well big surprise , I mean we couldhave told you that {pause} n n n four months ago , except we didn't because nobody else was bringing it up \" .PhD E: Right .Professor B: Obviously FrenchTelecom didn't volunteer this information either , cuz we were working on {disfmarker} mainly on voice activity detector for past uh several monthsPhD E: Right.Professor B: because that 's buying us the most uh thing . And everybody said \" Well but this is not fair . We didn't know that . \" And of course uh the{disfmarker} it 's not working on features really . And be I agreed .PhD E: Right .Professor B: I said \" well yeah , you are absolutely right , I mean if I wish thatyou provided better end point at speech because uh {disfmarker} or at least that if we could modify the recognizer , uh to account for these long silences ,because otherwise uh that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} th that wasn't a correct thing . \" And so then ev ev everybody else says \" well we should {disfmarker}we need to do a new eval evaluation without voice activity detector , or we have to do something about it \" .PhD E: Right .Professor B: And in principle I{disfmarker} uh I {disfmarker} we agreed .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: We said uh \" yeah \" . Because uh {disfmarker} but in that case , uh we would like tochange the uh {disfmarker} the algorithm because uh if we are working on different data , we probably will use a different set of tricks .PhD E: Right .ProfessorB: But unfortunately nobody ever officially can somehow acknowledge that this can be done , because French Telecom was saying \" no , no , no , now everybodyhas access to our code , so everybody is going to copy what we did . \" Yeah well our argument was everybody ha has access to our code , and everybody alwayshad access to our code . We never uh {disfmarker} uh denied that . We thought that people are honest , that if you copy something and if it is protected{disfmarker} protected by patent then you negotiate , or something ,PhD E: Yeah . Right .Professor B: right ? I mean , if you find our technique useful , we arevery happy .PhD E: Right .Professor B: But {disfmarker} And French Telecom was saying \" no , no , no ,PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: there is a lot of littletricks which uh sort of uh cannot be protected and you guys will take them , \" which probably is also true . I mean , you know , it might be that people will takeuh uh th the algorithms apart and use the blocks from that . But I somehow think that it wouldn't be so bad , as long as people are happy abou uh uh uh honestabout it .PhD E: Yeah .Professor B: And I think they have to be honest in the long run , because winning proposal again {disfmarker} uh what will be available this {disfmarker} will be a code . So the uh {disfmarker} the people can go to code and say \" well listen this is what you stole from me \"PhD E: Mm - hmm.Professor B: you know ?PhD E: Right .Professor B: \" so let 's deal with that \" .PhD E: Right .Professor B: So I don't see the problem . The biggest problem ofcourse is that f that Alcatel French Telecom cl claims \" well we fulfilled the conditions . We are the best . Uh . We are the standard . \" And e and other people don'tfeel that , because they {disfmarker} so they now decided that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} is {disfmarker} the whole thing will be done on well - endpointeddata , essentially that somebody will endpoint the data based on clean speech , because most of this the SpeechDat - Car has the also close speaking mike andendpoints will be provided .PhD E: Mm - hmm . Ah .Professor B: And uh we will run again {disfmarker} still not clear if we are going to run the {disfmarker} if weare allowed to run uh uh new algorithms , but I assume so . Because uh we would fight for that , really . uh but {disfmarker} since uh u u n u {disfmarker} atleast our experience is that only endpointing a {disfmarker} a mel cepstrum gets uh {disfmarker} gets you twenty - one percent improvement overall and twenty- seven improvement on SpeechDat - CarPhD E: Hmm .Professor B: then obvious the database {disfmarker} uh I mean the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the{disfmarker} uh the baseline will go up . And nobody can then achieve fifty percent improvement .PhD E: Right .Professor B: So they agreed that uh there will bea twenty - five percent improvement required on {disfmarker} on uh h u m bad mis badly mismatched {disfmarker}PhD E: But wait a minute , I thought theendpointing really only helped in the noisy cases .Professor B: It uh {disfmarker}PhD E: Oh , but you still have that with the MFCC .Professor B: Y yeah .PhD E:OK .Professor B: Yeah but you have the same prob I mean MFCC basically has an enormous number of uh insertions .PhD E: Yeah . Right . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah.Professor B: And so , so now they want to say \" we {disfmarker} we will require fifty percent improvement only for well matched condition , and only twenty -five percent for the serial cases . \"PhD E: Hmm .Professor B: And uh {disfmarker} and they almost agreed on that except that it wasn't a hundred percent agreed. And so last time uh during the meeting , I just uh brought up the issue , I said \" well you know uh quite frankly I 'm surprised how lightly you are making thesedecisions because this is a major decision . For two years we are fighting for fifty percent improvement and suddenly you are saying \" oh no we {disfmarker} wewill do something less \" , but maybe we should discuss that . And everybody said \" oh we discussed that and you were not a mee there \" and I said \" well a lot ofother people were not there because not everybody participates at these teleconferencing c things . \" Then they said \" oh no no no because uh everybody isinvited . \" However , there is only ten or fifteen lines , so people can't even con you know participate . So eh they agreed , and so they said \" OK , we will discussthat . \" Immediately Nokia uh raised the question and they said \" oh yeah we agree this is not good to to uh dissolve the uh uh {disfmarker} the uh {disfmarker}the criterion . \"PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: So now officially , Nokia is uh uh complaining and said they {disfmarker} they are looking for support , uh I thinkQualComm is uh saying , too \" we shouldn't abandon the fifty percent yet . We should at least try once again , one more round . \"PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B:So this is where we are .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: I hope that {disfmarker} I hope that this is going to be a adopted .PhD E: Hmm .Professor B: NextWednesday we are going to have uh another uh teleconferencing call , so we 'll see what uh {disfmarker} where it goes .PhD E: So what about the issue of umthe weights on the {disfmarker} for the different systems , the well - matched , and medium - mismatched and {disfmarker}Professor B: Yeah , that 's what{disfmarker} that 's a g very good uh point , because David says \" well you know we ca we can manipulate this number by choosing the right weights anyways . \"So while you are right but {disfmarker} uh you know butPhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: Uh yeah , if of course if you put a zero {disfmarker} uh weight zero on amismatched condition , or highly mismatched then {disfmarker} then you are done .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: But weights were also deter already decideduh half a year ago . So {disfmarker}PhD E: And they 're the {disfmarker} staying the same ?Professor B: Well , of course people will not like it . Now{disfmarker} What is happening now is that I th I think that people try to match the criterion to solution .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: They have solution .Now they want to {vocalsound} make sure their criterion is {disfmarker}PhD E: Right .Professor B: And I think that this is not the right way .PhD E: Yeah.Professor B: Uh it may be that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} Eventually it may ha may ha it may have to happen . But it 's should happen at a point whereeverybody feels comfortable that we did all what we could .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: And I don't think we did .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: Basically , Ithink that {disfmarker} that this test was a little bit bogus because of the data and uh essentially {pause} there were these arbitrary decisions made , and{disfmarker} and everything . So , so {disfmarker} so this is {disfmarker} so this is where it is . So what we are doing at OGI now is uh uh uh working basicallyon our parts which we I think a little bit neglected , like noise separation . Uh so we are looking in ways is {disfmarker} in uh which {disfmarker} uh with whichwe can provide better initial estimate of the mel spectrum basically , which would be a l uh , f more robust to noise , and so far not much uh success .PhD E:Hmm .Professor B: We tried uh things which uh a long time ago Bill Byrne suggested , instead of using Fourier spectrum , from Fourier transform , use thespectrum from LPC model . Their argument there was the LPC model fits the peaks of the spectrum , so it may be m naturally more robust in noise . And Ithought \" well , that makes sense , \" but so far we can't get much {disfmarker} much out of it .PhD E: Hmm .Professor B: uh we may try some standardtechniques like spectral subtraction and {disfmarker}PhD E: You haven't tried that yet ?Professor B: not {disfmarker} not {disfmarker} not much . Or even I wasthinking about uh looking back into these totally ad - hoc techniquesPhD E: Hmm .Professor B: like for instance uh Dennis Klatt was suggesting uh the one way touh deal with noisy speech is to add noise to everything .PhD E: Hmm !Professor B: So . {comment} I mean , uh uh add moderate amount of noise to all data.PhD E: Oh !Professor B: So that makes uh th any additive noise less addi less a a effective ,PhD E: I see .Professor B: right ? Because you already uh had the"}
{"doc_id":"doc_86","qid":"","text":"Grad F: OK .PhD C: Adam , what is the mike that , uh , Jeremy 's wearing ? Grad F: It 's the ear - plug mike .Postdoc A: Ear - plug .PhD E: That 's good .PhD C: Isthat a wireless , or {disfmarker} ? Oh .Grad F: No .Grad G: It 's wired .Professor B: Oh !Postdoc A: Is that {disfmarker} Does that mean you can't hear anythingduring the meeting ?Grad D: It 's old - school .Grad F: Huh ? What ? Huh ?Professor B: Should we , uh , close the door , maybe ?Grad F: It {disfmarker} it 's afairly good mike , actually .Professor B: So it 's {disfmarker} Yeah . Huh .Grad F: Well , I shouldn't say it 's a good mike . All I really know is that the signal levelis OK . I don't know if it 's a {disfmarker} the quality .Professor B: Well , that 's aGrad F: Ugh ! So I didn't send out agenda items because until five minutes agowe only had one agenda item and now we have two . So . {vocalsound} And , uh .Professor B: OK . So , just to repeat the thing bef that we said last week , itwas there 's this suggestion of alternating weeks on {vocalsound} more , uh , automatic speech recognition related or not ? Was that sort of {pause} the division?Grad F: Right .Professor B: So which week are we in ?Grad F: Well {disfmarker} We haven't really started , but I thought we more {disfmarker} we more or lessdid Meeting Recorder stuff last week , so I thought we could do , uh {disfmarker}Professor B: I thought we had a thing about speech recognition last week too.PhD C: Yeah .Grad F: But I figure also if they 're short agenda items , we could also do a little bit of each .Professor B: Yeah .Grad F: So . I seem to be havingdifficulty getting this adjusted . Here we go .Professor B: OK .Grad F: So , uh , as most of you should know , I did send out the consent form thingies and , uh , sofar no one has made any {disfmarker} Ach ! {comment} {comment} any comments on them . So , no on no one has bleeped out anything .Professor B: Um .Yeah .Grad F: So . I don't expect anyone to . But .Professor B: Um . {vocalsound} So , w what follows ? At some point y you go around and get people to signsomething ?Grad F: No . We had spoken w about this beforeProfessor B: Yeah , but I 've forgotten .Grad F: and we had decided that they have {disfmarker} theyonly needed to sign once . And the agreement that they already signed simply said that we would give them an opportunity . So as long as we do that , we 'recovered .Professor B: And how long of an opportunity did you tell them ?Grad F: Uh , July fifteenth .Professor B: July fifteenth . Oh , so they have a plenty of time, and yGrad F: Yep .Professor B: Given that it 's that long , um , um {disfmarker} Why was that date chosen ? You just felt you wanted to {disfmarker} ?Grad F:Jane told me July fifteenth . So , that 's what I set it .Postdoc A: Oh . I just meant that that was {pause} the release date that you had on the {pause} data.Professor B: Oh , OK .Grad F: Oh . I {disfmarker} I didn't understand that there was something specific .Postdoc A: I , uh {disfmarker} I thought{disfmarker}Grad F: You {disfmarker} y you had {disfmarker}Professor B: I don't {disfmarker}Grad F: I had heard July fifteenth , so that 's what I put .PostdocA: Mm - hmm .Professor B: No , the only {disfmarker} th the only {pause} mention I recall about that was just that July fifteenth or so is when {vocalsound} thismeeting starts .Grad F: So .Postdoc A: That 's right . That 's why .Professor B: Oh , I see .Postdoc A: You said you wanted it to be available then .Professor B: OK.Postdoc A: I didn't mean it to be the hard deadline .Professor B: Right .Postdoc A: It 's fine with me if it is , or we cou But I thought it might be good to remindpeople two weeks prior to thatProfessor B: wPostdoc A: in case , uh {disfmarker} you know , \" by the way {pause} this is your last {disfmarker} \"Professor B:Right .Postdoc A: Uh . Yeah .Professor B: We probably should have talked about it , cuz i because if we wanna be able to give it to people July fifteenth , ifsomebody 's gonna come back and say \" OK , I don't want this and this and this used \" , uh , clearly we need some time to respond to that . Right ?Grad F: Yeah .As I said , we {disfmarker} I just got one dateProfessor B: Yeah .PhD H: Damn !Grad F: and that 's the one I used .Professor B: Yeah .Grad F: So . But I can senda follow - up . I mean , it 's almost all us . I mean the people who are in the meeti this meeting was , uh , these {disfmarker} the meetings that {disfmarker} in{disfmarker} are in set one .PhD C: Was my {disfmarker} was my response OK ?Postdoc A: That 's right .PhD C: I just wrote you {disfmarker} replied to theemail saying they 're all fine .Grad F: Right . I mean , that 's fine .PhD C: OK , good .Grad F: I {disfmarker} we don't {disfmarker} My understanding of what we{pause} had agreed upon when we had spoken about this months ago was that , uh , we don't actually need a reply .PhD C: That makes it easy .Grad F: We justneed to tell them that they can do it if they want .Professor B: OK . I just didn't remember , but {disfmarker}Grad F: And so no reply is no changes .Postdoc A:And he 's got it so that the default thing you see when you look at the page is \" OK \" .Professor B: OK .Postdoc A: So that 's very clear all the way down the page ,\" OK \" . And they have two options they can change it to . One of them is {pause} \" censor \" , and the other one is \" incorrect \" . Is it {disfmarker} is{disfmarker} your word is \" incorrect \" ?Grad F: Right .Postdoc A: Which means also we get feedback on {pause} if {pause} um , there 's something that they wthat needs to be {pause} adjusted , because , I mean , these are very highly technical things . I mean , it 's an added , uh , level of checking on the accuracy ofthe transcription , as I see it . But in any case , people can agree to things that are wrong .Grad F: Well {disfmarker}Postdoc A: So .Grad F: Yeah . The reason Idid that it was just so that people would not censor {disfmarker} not ask to have stuff removed because it was transcribed incorrectly ,Postdoc A: And the reasonI liked it was because {disfmarker}Grad F: as opposed to , uh {disfmarker}Postdoc A: was because it , um {disfmarker} it gives them the option of , uh , beingable to correct it .Grad F: Right .Postdoc A: Approve it and correct it . And {pause} um . So , you have {pause} it nicely set up so they email you and , uh{disfmarker}Grad F: When they submit the form , it gets processed and emailed to me .Postdoc A: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . And I wanted to say the meetingsthat are involved in that set are Robustness and Meeting Recorder .Grad F: So .Postdoc A: The German ones will be ready for next week . Those are three{disfmarker} three of those . A different set of people . And we can impose {disfmarker}PhD C: The German ones ?Postdoc A: Uh , well .PhD H: Yeah . Those{disfmarker} uh {disfmarker}Professor B: NSA .Postdoc A: OK . I spoke loosely . The {disfmarker} the German , French {disfmarker} Sorry , the German ,{vocalsound} Dutch , and Spanish ones .PhD E: Spanish . Yeah .Grad F: Mm - hmm .PhD C: Oh , those are the NSA meetings ?PhD E: The non - native{disfmarker}PhD H: Those are {disfmarker}Postdoc A: Yeah . Uh - huh .Professor B: German , Dutch , Swiss and Spanish .PhD C: Oh , oh ! OK .PhD E: The allnon - native {disfmarker}Postdoc A: That 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} that 's rGrad F: Mm - hmm .PhD H: Uh - huh .PhD C: OK . I 'd {disfmarker} IdPostdoc A: Yeah . {pause} It 's the other group .Professor B: I It was the network {disfmarker} network services group .PhD C: OK .Postdoc A: Uh - huh . Yeah, exactly . Yeah .Professor B: Yeah .Postdoc A: I didn't mean to {pause} isolate them .Professor B: Otherwise known as the German , Dutch , and Spanish.Postdoc A: Yeah . Sorry . It was {disfmarker} it was not the best characterization .Grad F: Mm - hmm .Postdoc A: But what {disfmarker} {vocalsound} what Imeant to say was that it 's the other group that 's not {disfmarker} n no m no overlap with our present members . And then maybe it 'd be good to set an explicitdeadline , something like {pause} a week {pause} before that , uh , J July fifteenth date , or two weeks before .Professor B: I mean , I would suggest we discuss{disfmarker} I mean , if we 're going to have a policy on it , that we discuss the length of time that we want to give people ,Grad F: Mm - hmm .Professor B: sothat we have a uniform thing . So , tha that 's a month , which is fine . I mean , it seems {disfmarker}PhD C: Twelve hours .Grad F: Well , the only thing I said inthe email is that {pause} the data is going to be released on the fifteenth . I didn't give any other deadline .Postdoc A: Mm - hmm .Grad F: So my feeling is ifsomeone after the fifteenth says , \" wow I suddenly found something \" , we 'll delete it from our record . We just won't delete it from whatever 's already beenreleased .Postdoc A: Hmm . That 's a little bit difficult .Grad F: What else can we do ?Postdoc A: Yeah .Grad F: If someone says \" hey , look , I {pause} foundsomething in this meeting and {pause} it 's libelous and I want it removed \" . What can we do ?Postdoc A: Well . {pause} That 's true .Grad F: We have toremove it .Postdoc A: I {disfmarker} I agree with that part , but I think that it would {disfmarker} it , uh {disfmarker} we need to have , uh , a {disfmarker} a{disfmarker} a message to them very clearly that {vocalsound} beyond this date , you can't make additional changes .Professor B: I mean , um , I {disfmarker}I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} i I think that somebody might {pause} request something even though we say that . But I think it 's good to at least start someplace like that .Postdoc A: Mm - hmm . Good .Professor B: So if we agreed , {vocalsound} OK , how long is a reasonable amount of time for people to have{disfmarker} if we say two weeks , or if we say a month , I think we should just say that {disfmarker} say that , you know , i a as {pause} um , {vocalsound} \"per the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the , uh , page you signed , you have the ability to look over this stuff \" and so forth \" and , uh , because we w \" these , uh{disfmarker} I would {disfmarker} I would imagine some sort of generic thing that would say \" because we , uh , will continually be making these things available{vocalsound} to other researchers , uh , this can't be open - ended and so , uh , uh , please give us back your response within this am you know , within thisamount of time \" , whatever time we agree upon .Grad F: Well , did you read the email and look at the pages I sent ?Professor B: Did I ? No , I haven't yet . No ,just {disfmarker}Grad F: No . OK , well why don't you do that and then make comments on what you want me to change ?Professor B: No , no . I 'm not sayingthat you should change anything . I I 'm {disfmarker} what I 'm {disfmarker} what I 'm {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I 'm trying to spark a discussion hopefullyamong people who have read it so that {disfmarker} that you can {disfmarker} {vocalsound} you can , uh , decide on something .Postdoc A: Mm - hmm.Professor B: So I 'm not telling you what to decide .Postdoc A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: I 'm just saying you should decide something ,Postdoc A: OK .ProfessorB: and then {disfmarker}Grad F: I already did decide something , and that 's what 's in the email .Postdoc A: Yeah , yeah . OK , so {disfmarker}Grad F: And ifyou disagree with it , why don't you read it and give me comments on it ?Postdoc A: Yeah . Well {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think that there 's one missing line"}
{"doc_id":"doc_87","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Hello again .User Interface: Hello .Industrial Designer: Hi . {vocalsound}Marketing: Hey , Project Manager .Project Manager: {vocalsound}UserInterface: Um , Project Manager , I have something to tell you .Project Manager: Mm yeah .User Interface: I have a little problems with my laptop .ProjectManager: Okay .User Interface: And uh s s s so I had a little less time to complete .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: No , a little problem , uh {vocalsound}big problem . I just thought {disfmarker}Marketing: What was it , problem ?User Interface: Um , it didn't work anymore . {vocalsound}Marketing: The laptop?User Interface: The entire Windows uh {disfmarker}Marketing: It hang {disfmarker} hung .User Interface: It it hung . {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: Ha-ha . Oh . Project Manager .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yes . {vocalsound} Yes .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:You're our Project Manager .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Your project manager . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Welcome to the conceptual design meetingIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: for Real Reaction .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh , hello again . Uh it's uh the same as the last time . Uh uh , also this time there will beuh three presentations .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: And we um must uh reach a decision on uh the remote control concepts . Um uh , andat the end , uh I uh , when I finish it off I have some uh input from uh a master class I uh {vocalsound} visited . {vocalsound} {gap} information .{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: During lunch , yeah .Marketing: Master .User Interface: He's the master ,yeah . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: The the the the the concepts on uh{disfmarker} we uh {disfmarker} where we uh must reach a decision on . Um uh , our {disfmarker} from uh are of two sorts .Marketing: Master of{disfmarker}Project Manager: Components concepts and user interface concepts . Uh , the first one is uh really about the the the the the total package uh withuh {disfmarker} Well , we have decided to do a {disfmarker} do the uh {disfmarker} with a touch-screen that must be a case around it so uh it won't be uh uh asbreakable . Uh how how about the energy ? Can you uh can you reload it or uh just have batteries which you must exchange ? Uh , the user interface concept .Uh , with the type and uh the the supplements . So uh where to put what button . {vocalsound} And uh uh I would say uh {disfmarker} Jans , can you begin?Industrial Designer: Yeah , sure .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: At the end , uh {disfmarker} I will take notes uh and at theend of the minutes uh will uh be at the shared folder .Industrial Designer: Okay . Uh , let me see . I think it's this one . Ha .User Interface: Wow .IndustrialDesigner: Right . Uh , well , I'll be talking about the components .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh , what I did was I reviewed previously useditems uh by uh two two uh different uh age groups .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Uh below forty five and above . And uh I just uh watch whatthe differences are and I checked uh , well , what what d do we want , and {gap} how can we uh d aim a at uh the target group . Well uh what I found was that asenior um {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} senior citizens uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}I'm sorry . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Ye Ah , it's {vocalsound} it's okay .Marketing: Okay . Go on . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh {disfmarker}{vocalsound} They , well , they like more the {disfmarker} they like the traditional materials , like wood and and such more .Marketing: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Wood and chrome .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And uh uh they like uh straightforward shapes . Um , uh they they they they likeluxurious uh styles , where whereas the young and dynamic , they like a more uh soft materials . Think of the Teletubbies , for instance .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh uh , soft and fluffy and colourful and {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Well uh , shapes are curvedand round .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Y y you get {vocalsound} the picture . And uh they like sports and gaming , and that gives them uh thevitality . Uh , so w well uh , firsProject Manager: One one little question .Industrial Designer: Yes .Project Manager: Um about the the material .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .Project Manager: Uh a soft material for a remote control ?Industrial Designer: No , I'll I'll get to that .Project Manager: Okay . Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: You you'll see . Yeah .Project Manager: Thank you . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh , well f first off , let's start start with the energy . W I uh I hada choice between uh a few different uh sources .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: But uh the two basic sources that I found were the best possiblewere the battery uh versus kinetic . Uh kinetic , that's when you move something , then uh it gets energy . I figured , well that's ki kinda high-tech , when whenyou have a remote control that well , when you pick it up , it has power . That would be actually very nice , uh I figured .Project Manager: Oh .IndustrialDesigner: Well , we could also use a battery , that's a bit {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah but when the power gets low , you have to shake it or something ?ProjectManager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah yeah , you c just you have to shake it around a little bit .Marketing: Uh ,and uh uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: And then then it d then it has some more uh energy .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Hmm .IndustrialDesigner: Well , y you could just go for a battery . Or you can go for both ?User Interface: Oh , have you considered the option of using a solar panel ?IndustrialDesigner: Yeah , I actually did . But uh the thing is about solar panel is you have to have l uh light . Well , sunlight preferably .User Interface: W {gap} nah.Industrial Designer: Uh , and you you could you could use normal light , but uh you wouldn't get the same amount of energy that you would from a battery orsomething .User Interface: Mm . Yeah .Industrial Designer: Uh for uh ultimate b uh {vocalsound} n uh use of uh solar panels , you could actually use uh{disfmarker} you could use uh solar panels , but uh you ha you'd have to implement them into uh the remote control , leaving you uh a bit less space for theinterface .Marketing: Mm yeah . It's too less space .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: So uh {disfmarker} so i i it it wo what's actually {disfmarker} I I cjust in f I've figured it out that well , uh seeing that you'll always be uh within the l uh distance of T_V_ , and the {disfmarker} from T_V_ there comes a a awhole bunch of light . So it would actually power itself uh from a T_V_ .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: But , well you just takeup all the space , and you wouldn't uh have the full amount of power actually used .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: But you prefer kinetic ?IndustrialDesigner: So {disfmarker} I I prefer kinetic because it's uh {disfmarker} well , the costs aren't that much higher , and um , ju just a bit more high-tech than thana normal battery .Project Manager: Okay . Yeah , but you don't move a a remote control too much .Industrial Designer: I mean , if {disfmarker} No , but uh dWell , you pick it up and you press buttons and y well , you {disfmarker}Project Manager: And that's enough to to keep the energy level uh{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah , well uh actually it is .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: And it it {disfmarker} if it isn't , you just shake it a bitand and add add with power up again .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: But , what l what Jareksaid , you could you could use a battery that you'd just keep it on the recharging whenever it moves . And for rest , you'd just add juice on the battery .ProjectManager: Okay .Marketing: And when the battery doesn't work , I usually shake it too . So {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Thank you , Tim .{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Exactly . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Like slamming on it . {vocalsound}It's exactly the same . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And so that {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Uh well ,User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: f furthermore , you you {disfmarker} we {gap} {disfmarker} uh checked uh the cases .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: We have uh different options uh concerning the cases . You ha I {disfmarker} you sim uh you simply add a basic uh standarduh model uh {disfmarker} it was kind of square and uh I figured that's a bit boring . So you you {disfmarker} we could go for uh the single curved or the doublecurved . Um , single curve , it's just a {disfmarker} well , uh , you know , it's just uh a nice curve . Or but but you could go in a in an double curves . And that's{gap} like several different dimensions .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: That gives you an whole new uh effecProject Manager: Dynamic dynamiclook ?Marketing: Hmm .Industrial Designer: Yeah , that gives you a younger and uh more high-tech look , I f I figured . But , that uh we'll discuss later.Marketing: But , are you going to draw it ?Industrial Designer: What ?User Interface: Th th yeah . Yeah .Industrial Designer: You want me to draw in three-D_?Marketing: The {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Uh , I c I can't imagine .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Uh , yeah , I caI ca I could I could show you . I could show you .Marketing: I can't imagine how how how it looks like .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Well uhlet's say y uh you uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Let's say that's your standard uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Design .User Interface: Yeah.Industrial Designer: That's a bit your d standard design . But you could actually go like uh something like this .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Andthen uh in three-D_ effect you could go {disfmarker} {vocalsound}User Interface: Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: Uh {disfmarker}Project Manager:{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So y you you just {disfmarker} Yeah , this is a {disfmarker} this {vocalsound} bit uh difficulty in{disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I didn't take a major in art . So {disfmarker} {vocalsound}But but you could have uh uh a whole new uh the back back the the the depth , you could you could uh just play around a bit with .Marketing: Oh , okay . Okay.Industrial Designer: You you don't have to use standard uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Oh , okay .Project Manager: A little artistic .Industrial Designer: Yeah you"}
{"doc_id":"doc_88","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay we all all set ? Right . Well this is the uh final detailed design meeting . Um we're gonna discuss the look and feel design , the userinterface design , and we're gonna evaluate the product . And the end result of this meeting has to be a decision on the details of this remote control , likeabsolute final decision , um and then I'm gonna have to specify the final design in the final report . So um just from from last time to recap , we said we weregonna have a snowman shaped remote control with no L_C_D_ display , no need for talk-back , it was hopefully gonna be kinetic power and battery uh withrubber buttons , maybe backlighting the buttons with some internal L_E_D_s to shine through the casing , um hopefully a jog-dial , and incorporating the slogansomewhere as well . Anything I've missed ?Industrial Designer: No .Project Manager: Okay um so uh if you want to present your prototype go ahead .UserInterface: Uh-oh . This is it ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Ninja Homer , made in Japan . {vocalsound}User Interface: Um , there are a few changes we'vemade .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Um , well look at the expense sheet , and uh it turned to be quite a lot expensive to have open up and have lots ofbuttons and stuff inside ,Project Manager: Mm . Mm-hmm .User Interface: so instead we've um {disfmarker} this is gonna be an L_C_D_ screen , um just a avery very basic one , very small um with access to the menu through the the scroll wheel and uh confirm um button .Marketing: Mm 'kay .User Interface: Uh ,apart from that , it's just pretty much the same as we discussed last time .Industrial Designer: And there isn't uh d it doesn't open up to the advanced functions ?the advanced functions are still hidden from you , but they're hidden in the sense that um they're not in use .Marketing: Where are they ?Industrial Designer: Umthey're in the L_C_D_ panel and the jog-dial ?Marketing: Ah , right .Industrial Designer: Okay 'cause {disfmarker}Project Manager: So w what kind of thing uh isgonna be {disfmarker}Marketing: Great .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: The L_C_D_ panel just displays um functionally what you're doing . Ifyou're using an advanced function right , like um c brightness , contrast , whatever , it will just say {disfmarker}Marketing: Right . Okay .Industrial Designer: Youknow it's like it only has four columns , it's a very simple L_C_D_ like , whereas many {disfmarker} the minimum amount we need that the user will automaticallyknow like this is brightness or this is contrast .Marketing: Right .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Okay cool .Marketing: Right , 'kay .Industrial Designer: It mighteven be one , a bit more complex L_C_D_ panel with pictures like maybe the sun or the , you know , the the symbols of the various functions .Marketing:OkayProject Manager: Oh right okay .Marketing: Mm-hmm , and what is this here ?Project Manager: Cool .Industrial Designer: That's a number pad .Marketing:Okay so the number pad is {disfmarker} 'Kay , great .Project Manager: Where are we gonna have the slogan ?Industrial Designer: Um they're al along this{disfmarker}User Interface: You know , just like right inside there .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay cool .Industrial Designer: You have thisspace here , and then you have this thing on the side as well , or at the bottom .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: 'Cause slogans are usuallyquite small , right ,Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: they're not like hugeMarketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: so they're sMarketing: Yep .IndustrialDesigner: Say a button's aboutProject Manager: Okay .Marketing: Looks good .Industrial Designer: say a button's about this size , right , so you would still haveplenty of space for a slogan , say even for that .Marketing: Yep . {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So if this isn't to scale , what kind of dimensions areyou thinking about here ?User Interface: {vocalsound} Well {vocalsound} we want the other buttons to be big enough to push easily with a fingerProjectManager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: so we reckon maybe that'll be about the same size as the palm of your hand . {gap}Marketing: Okay .Industrial Designer:Yep so that would be about a centimetre for a button , so one two three four centimetres . Plus maybe half o fiveMarketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: sixseven eight ,Marketing: About nine in total .Project Manager: Six , seven , eight , nine , ten .Industrial Designer: about yeah nine total .Project Manager: So we'retalking about ten centimetres .Marketing: That sounds good . Yeah .Project Manager: That would be good . So ten centimetres in height .Marketing: Yep.Industrial Designer: Nine , ten . Yep .Project Manager: Okay um {vocalsound} .Marketing: That'd be good , in fact a pen is about ten centimetres usually , sothat would be {disfmarker} that sounds like a really good size , if you see it there .Project Manager: Yeah . That's great and it's very bright as well . So um okay.Marketing: Mm . Is it possible {disfmarker} uh I'm just gonna bring up the idea of colours . Is these are these the colours that {disfmarker} of production , or isthis just what we had available ?User Interface: Well I'm {disfmarker} We're gonna have again the the sort of the foggy um yellow from last time that lit up whenyou pushed the button .Marketing: Right .Project Manager: Okay so just {disfmarker}User Interface: Um {disfmarker}Project Manager: could you just list all thethings that it does s so I can write them in the report .User Interface: But um {vocalsound} this button um , because it's red it's sort of very prominent , we'regonna use it as uh {disfmarker} it can be the power button if you hold it for maybe two seconds it'll send a stand-by signal .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Excuse me .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Um apart from that it's gonna be used as a confirm button for the L_C_D_ screenIndustrial Designer:Sure .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: and you use this as a jog-dial .Project Manager: Okay so that's like an okay button , right .Marketing: Mm-hmm.Industrial Designer: Oh we've discussed how h high it is , but how wide is it ? {vocalsound}User Interface: I don't know . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay.Marketing: How high is it ?Industrial Designer: No as in the height , but what about the width ?Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Oh ohUser Interface: Didn'tput five centimetres .Project Manager: like depth of the actual thing .Industrial Designer: Do we need five ? I don't think five is {disfmarker}User Interface: Um.Industrial Designer: be about th three and a half .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Oh is this k to get an idea of scale from your from your thing there okay.User Interface: Something by there .Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah .Marketing: Sure .Project Manager: So you can power on and off , what else can you do?Marketing: Three and a half .User Interface: Um you can skip straight to a channel using these buttons .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Um , weregonna have the volume control here , but um because we've got the the L_C_D_ and the jog-dial we just thought we'd um use that as the volume .ProjectManager: Okay jog-dial for volume . And what else do you do with the jog-dial ?Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Um you can use it for um more advancedfunctions like contrast , colour and {disfmarker}Project Manager: Contrast , brightness ,User Interface: Um yeah .Project Manager: yeah , and anything else?User Interface: Um just whatever else we wanted to include as the advanced functions , um we didn't actually go through and specify the {disfmarker}ProjectManager: Well of the designers what are they ?User Interface: Uh what can a T_V_ do ?Industrial Designer: Okay things like um brightness , contrast ,ProjectManager: Uh-huh .Industrial Designer: um maybe tuning the channels .Project Manager: Okay channel tuning .Industrial Designer: Um .Project Manager: That's agood one .Industrial Designer: What else ? Um the various inputs . Are you having a V_C_R_ , are you having {disfmarker} you know which input do you have?Marketing: Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .Project Manager: Okay auxiliary inputs .Marketing: Mm-hmm ,Industrial Designer: Um .Marketing: probably colour orsharpness .Industrial Designer: Yep , colour , sharpness . Um a lot of these things will have to be um free and open for users to define them .Project Manager:Sharpness . Okay what about uh sound settingsMarketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: ? Uh d can you change any of those at all ?Marketing: Audio .IndustrialDesigner: Audio , we have like your basic y your base , your mid-range , your high range .User Interface: Um .Industrial Designer: Um .User Interface: {gap} thethe balance hmm .Industrial Designer: Yep , left-right balance , um maybe even pre-programmed sound modes , like um the user could determine like a series ofsound modes ,Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: and then what could happen would be um when you click on that then it would go to that setting.Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Okay ,Marketing: Mm 'kay .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: is there anything else at all it can do ? That{disfmarker} 'cause that's that's fine . Just need to know so I can write it down . Okay um right I g I guess that's it , so we can now um {vocalsound}{disfmarker} We can now have a little look at the the Excel sheet and price listing , and see if we need to um if we need to rethink anything at all .User Interface:Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So um for this first part here power-wise , have we got battery ?Industrial Designer: The battery .Project Manager: Do we havekinetic as well ?Industrial Designer: No .Project Manager: No . Okay ,Industrial Designer: Um .Project Manager: just battery .Industrial Designer: We need an{disfmarker}Project Manager: And that's because of cost restraints is it ?Industrial Designer: Yep .Project Manager: OkayUser Interface: Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah advanced chip .Project Manager: um what about the electronics here ?Industrial Designer: We need an advanced chip I think , yep .ProjectManager: Advanced chip .Industrial Designer: Let me just confirm that . Yes I think so . Yep .Project Manager: Okay um the case , what does it mean by singleand double , do you know ?User Interface: Um I think single would just be sort of one sort of oval whereas double is this sort of thing .Industrial Designer: Yeah.Project Manager: So we want double-curved ?Industrial Designer: Yep .Project Manager: Okay . Um .Industrial Designer: Plastic .Project Manager: Is there anyrubber at all in the buttons or anyIndustrial Designer: I think we're gonna have to skip the rubber .Project Manager: Okay ,Industrial Designer: Um .ProjectManager: um and we wanted special colours didn't we ?Industrial Designer: Yep .Project Manager: So I'll have to put that {disfmarker} Oh no wait we{disfmarker} ho how many colours have we got there ?Industrial Designer: For the case itself , one colour . It's one special colour .Project Manager: Just onecolour , okay .Industrial Designer: 'Cause the case unit itself , the rest of our components go on top of it .Project Manager: Okay so interface-wise , is it this thirdoption we have , the two of them there ?Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: Yes . One and the L_C_ display .Project Manager: Okay and then buttons , we have"}
{"doc_id":"doc_89","qid":"","text":"Professor D: OK . So , uh You can fill those out , uh {pause} after , actually , so So , I got , uh {pause} these results from , uh , Stephane . Also , um , I thinkthat , uh {pause} um {pause} we might hear later today , about other results . I think s that , uh , there were some other very good results that we 're gonnawanna compare to . But , {vocalsound} r our results from other {disfmarker} other places , yeah .PhD A: I I 'm sorry ? I didn'tProfessor D: Um , I got this fromyouPhD A: Yeah .Professor D: and then I sent a note to Sunil about the {disfmarker} cuz he has been running some other systemsPhD A: Mm - hmm .ProfessorD: other than the {disfmarker} the ICSI OGI one .PhD A: Oh yeah .Professor D: So {pause} um , I wan wanna {disfmarker} wanna see what that is . But , uh ,you know , so we 'll see what it is comparatively later . But {pause} it looks like , umPhD A: M yeah .Professor D: You know most of the time , even {disfmarker}I mean even though it 's true that the overall number for Danish {disfmarker} we didn't improve it If you look at it individually , what it really says is that there 's, um , uh Looks like out of the six cases , between the different kinds of , uh , matching conditions {pause} out of the six cases , there 's basically , um , a couplewhere it stays about the same , uh , three where it gets better , and one where it gets worse .PhD A: Yeah .Professor D: Uh , go ahead .PhD A: Y Actually , uh ,um , for the Danish , there 's still some kind of mystery because , um , um , when we use the straight features , we are not able to get these nice number withthe ICSI OGI one , I mean . We don't have this ninety - three seventy - eight , we have eightPhD E: Eighty - nine forty - four .PhD A: yeah . Uh , so , uh , that 'sprobably something wrong with the features that we get from OGI . Uh , and Sunil is working on {disfmarker} on trying to {disfmarker} to check everything.Professor D: Oh , and {disfmarker} and we have a little time on that {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} actually soPhD A: Hmm ?Professor D: We have a little bit oftime on that , actually .PhD A: Yeah .Professor D: We have a day or so , so When {disfmarker} when {disfmarker} when do you folks leave ?PhD A: Uh , Sunday.Professor D: Sunday ? So So , uh Yeah , until Saturday midnight , or something , we have W we {disfmarker} we have time , yeah . Well , that would be good .That 'd be good .PhD A: Yeah .Professor D: Yeah . Uh , and , you know , i u when whenever anybody figures it out they should also , for sure , email Hynekbecause Hynek will be over there {vocalsound} telling people {vocalsound} what we did , so he should know .PhD A: Mmm . Yeah .Professor D: Good , OK . So ,um So , we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll hold off on that a little bit . I mean , even with these results as they are , it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's really not thatbad . But {disfmarker} but , uh , um And it looks like the overall result as they are now , even without , you know , any {disfmarker} any bugs being fixed is that, uh , on the {disfmarker} the other tasks , we had this average of , uh , forty uh {disfmarker} nine percent , or so , improvement . And here we have somewhatbetter than that than the Danish , and somewhat worse than that on the German , but I mean , it sounds like , uh , one way or another , the methods that we 'redoing can reduce the error rate from {disfmarker} from mel ceptrum {pause} down by , you know {pause} a fourth of them to , uh , a half of them . Somewherein there , depending on the {pause} exact case . So So that 's good . I mean , I think that , uh , one of the things that Hynek was talking about wasunderstanding what was in the other really good proposals and {disfmarker} and trying to see if what should ultimately be proposed is some , uh , combination ofthings . Um , if , uh {disfmarker} Cuz there 's things that they are doing {pause} there that we certainly are not doing . And there 's things that we 're doing that{pause} they 're not doing . And {disfmarker} and they all seem like good things .PhD A: Yeah .Professor D: SoPhD E: Mmm , yeah .PhD C: How much{disfmarker} how much better was the best system than ours ?Professor D: So Well , we don't know yet .PhD C: Mmm .Professor D: Uh , I mean , first place ,there 's still this thing to {disfmarker} to work out , and second place {disfmarker} second thing is that the only results that we have so far from before werereally development set results .PhD C: Oh , OK .Professor D: So , I think in this community that 's of interest . It 's not like everything is being pinned on theevaluation set . But , um , for the development set , our best result was a little bit short of fifty percent . And the best result of any system was about fifty - four ,where these numbers are the , uh , relative , uh , reduction in , uh , word error rate .PhD C: Oh , OK .Professor D: And , um , the other systems were , uh ,somewhat lower than that . There was actually {disfmarker} there was much less of a huge range than there was in Aurora one . In Aurora one there were{disfmarker} there were systems that ba basically didn't improve things .PhD C: Hmm .Professor D: And here the {disfmarker} the worst system {pause} stillreduced the error rate by thirty - three percent , or something , in development set .PhD C: Oh , wow .Professor D: So {disfmarker} so , you know , sort ofeverybody is doing things between , well , roughly a third of the errors , and half the errors being eliminated , {vocalsound} uh , and varying on different test setsand so forth .PhD C: Mm - hmm .Professor D: So I think Um {pause} It 's probably a good time to look at what 's really going on and seeing if there 's a{disfmarker} there 's a way to combine the best ideas while at the same time not blowing up the amount of , uh , resources used , cuz that 's {disfmarker} that's critical for this {disfmarker} this test .PhD C: Do we know anything about {disfmarker} who {disfmarker} who 's was it that had the lowest on the dev set?Professor D: Um , uh , the , uh , the there were two systems that were put forth by a combination of {disfmarker} of , uh , French Telecom and Alcatel . And ,um they {disfmarker} they differed in some respects , but they e em one was called the French Telecom Alcatel System the other was called the Alcatel FrenchTelecom System , {vocalsound} uh , which is the biggest difference , I think . But {disfmarker} but there 're {disfmarker} there 're {disfmarker} there 're someother differences , too . Uh , and {disfmarker} and , uh , they both did very well ,PhD C: Uh - huh .Professor D: you know ? So , {vocalsound} um , myimpression is they also did very well on {disfmarker} on the {disfmarker} the , uh , evaluation set , but , um , I {disfmarker} I we haven't seen {disfmarker} you've - you haven't seen any final results for thatPhD C: And they used {disfmarker} the main thing that {disfmarker} that they used was spectral subtraction?Professor D: yeah .PhD C: OrProfessor D: There is a couple pieces to it . There 's a spectral subtraction style piece {disfmarker} it was basically , you know ,Wiener filtering . And then {disfmarker} then there was some p some modification of the cepstral parameters , where they {disfmarker}PhD A: Yeah , actually ,something that 's close to cepstral mean subtraction . But , uh , the way the mean is adapted {disfmarker} um , it 's signal dependent . I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm ,uh So , basically , the mean is adapted during speech and not during silence .Professor D: Yeah .PhD A: But it 's very close to {disfmarker} to cepstral meansubtraction .Professor D: But some people have done {vocalsound} {pause} exactly that sort of thing , of {disfmarker} of {disfmarker} and the {disfmarker} Imean it 's not {disfmarker} To {disfmarker} to look in {pause} speech only , to try to m to measure these things during speech ,PhD A: Yeah , yeah .ProfessorD: that 's p that 's not that uncommon . But i it it {disfmarker} so it looks like they did some {disfmarker} some , uh , reasonable things , uh , and they 're notthings that we did , precisely . We did unreasonable things , {vocalsound} which {disfmarker} because we like to try strange things , and {disfmarker} and , uh ,and our things worked too .PhD C: Hmm .Professor D: And so , um , uh , it 's possible that some combination of these different things that were done would bethe best thing to do . But the only caveat to that is that everybody 's being real conscious of how much memory and how much CPU they 're usingPhD C: Mm -hmm .Professor D: because these , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} uh , standards are supposed to go on cell phones with m moderate resources inboth respects .PhD C: Did anybody , uh , do anything with the models as a {disfmarker} an experiment ? OrProfessor D: Uh , they didn't report it , if they did.PhD C: N nobody reported it ?Professor D: Yeah . I think everybody was focused elsewhere . Um , now , one of the things that 's nice about what we did is , wedo have a {disfmarker} a , uh {disfmarker} a filtering , which leads to a {disfmarker} a , uh {disfmarker} a reduction in the bandwidth in the modulationspectrum , which allows us to downsample . So , uh , as a result of that we have a reduced , um , transmission rate for the bits .PhD C: Mm - hmm .Professor D:That was misreported the first time out . It {disfmarker} it said the same amount because for convenience sake in the particular way that this is being tested , uh, they were repeating the packets . So it was {disfmarker} they were s they {disfmarker} they had twenty - four hundred bits per second , but they were literallycreating forty - eight hundred bits per second , {vocalsound} um , even though y it was just repeated .PhD C: Oh . Mm - hmm . Right .Professor D: So , uh , inpracticePhD C: So you could 've had a repeat count in there or something .Professor D: Well , n I mean , this was just a ph phoney thing just to {disfmarker} tofit into the {disfmarker} the software that was testing the errors {disfmarker} channel errors and so on .PhD C: Oh . Oh .Professor D: So {disfmarker} so inreality , if you put this {disfmarker} this system in into , uh , the field , it would be twenty - four hundred bits per second , not forty - eight hundred . So , um , sothat 's a nice feature of what {disfmarker} what we did . Um , but , um , well , we still have to see how it all comes out .PhD C: Hmm .Professor D: Um , and thenthere 's the whole standards process , which is another thing altogether .PhD C: When is the development set {disfmarker} I mean , the , uh , uh , test setresults due ? Like the day before you leave or something ?Professor D: Uh , probably the day after they leave , but we 'll have to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we'll have to stop it the day before {comment} we leave .PhD A: Yeah , yeah . SoPhD C: Huh .Professor D: I think tha I think the {disfmarker} the meeting is on thethirteenth or something .PhD A: Yeah , this Tuesday , yeah .Professor D: And , uh , they , uh Right . And the {disfmarker} the , uh , results are due like the daybefore the meeting or something . SoPhD A: Yeah , probably , wellProfessor D: I th I think {disfmarker} I I think they are ,PhD A: Yeah , wellProfessor D: yeah .So {pause} {vocalsound} um , since we have a bit farther to travel than {vocalsound} some of the others , {vocalsound} uh , we 'll have to get done a littlequicker . But , um , I mean , it 's just tracing down these bugs . I mean , just exactly this sort of thing of , you know , why {disfmarker} why these features seem"}
{"doc_id":"doc_90","qid":"","text":"User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: So I see all everybody's here , 'kay .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Yep .Project Manager: And we can startmeeting .User Interface: Okay {vocalsound} .Marketing: What's the agenda for this meeting ?Project Manager: The {disfmarker} I will uh present here agendawith with with with slides to you .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Um as you can see here .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Perfect .Project Manager: So first uh just to mention I will take notes uh of this meetingMarketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager:and uh I will try to work them out and give them to you . I've also made notes of the previous meeting and um I was about to send them you but {vocalsound}then uh I had to go to this uh meeting so you will get them too uhMarketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Next .Project Manager: Um .Industrial Designer: So y youare the secretary also .Project Manager: Yes . Indeed .Industrial Designer: Right ? Okay .Project Manager: Then I hope you all have uh worked out {vocalsound}some some uh {vocalsound} some some presentations about uh about well you the the task given to you in the previous meeting .Industrial Designer: Perfectlyyeah yeah of course uh-huh .User Interface: {gap}Project Manager: Um . W We will uh in a minute we will uh {vocalsound} start with them . Um , we will see inwhich order we will handle them of . Um then I will uh bring in some some some new requirements I I got uh from the uh account manager , I try to work themout , they were quite abstract , and we can have maybe have com some discussion about it . Uh Um about the functionsMarketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager:and {disfmarker} Well in this meeting we should really {vocalsound} try to reach a decision about the target group and the functionality of the{disfmarker}Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: You mean the social target group who we wants to target ?Project Manager: Yes I mean well yes w who are wegoing to uh to well to sell this ,Marketing: Mm .User Interface: {gap}Industrial Designer: Oh the customers , okay .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: thecustomers , indeed yes . Think that's that's important matter .Marketing: That's the big question yeah .Project Manager: Uh . {vocalsound} So {vocalsound} Andthen uh we will close this meeting uhUser Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: and after this meeting we'll uh we'll have a lunch . Good . Um . Maybe umwhy uh Anna can you c do you have a presentations ?Marketing: No , I don't .Project Manager: You don't have presentation ?Marketing: I wasn't . No .ProjectManager: Uh you want a table to to uhMarketing: I c I can talk about it but I have no slides or anything .Project Manager: Yes yes maybe maybe you can uh canjust talk about it or maybe you can use the whiteboard if necessary um .Marketing: Mm-hmm . Well I've just been um presented with some research we've donein a small focus group so , a hundred people , just asked them about their remote control usage habits and what they want in a remote control . Um . It's{disfmarker} probably can't email this to you , I've just got a web page with some data on it . Um basically it's saying that users generally dislike the look andfeel of their remote controls . Um seventy five u seventy five percent of users find most remote controls ugly . Um .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Eightypercent of users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy . Um . Current remote controls do not match well the operating behaviour ofthe user . Uh seventy five percent of users said they zap a lot , so they use their remote control quite frequently while they're watching television . Uh . Fiftypercent of users say that they only use ten percent of the buttons , so they've got a remote control with a lot of functionality but really most of the time they onlyuse a small part of that .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: Um .Project Manager: Do you Do you have this uh information on the web page you said ?Marketing: Ihave an a web page yes .Project Manager: Yes , mayb maybe you can can send an email to me later uh . Uh about this .Marketing: Yep . Yep , sure . Mm-hmm .So basically um there's a breakdown of how much they use the different functions on a rem remote control . Um , power and volume selection are only used a fewtimes within this uh per hour . Um , channel selection is used a hundred and sixty eight times um {vocalsound} and then there's things like channel settings ,audio settings , which are only used very infrequently .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: Um . Teletext is used um fourteen times in the hour , so it is used butnot nearly as much as the channel selection is used . Um .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: An interesting thing that this report has brought up is that um fiftyfifty percent of users report that the remote control gets lost a lot of the time in the room , so some way of some way of locating the remote control would be veryuseful to a lot of users . Um .Project Manager: Yes yes , I have {vocalsound} that too {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Thirty fourpercent said it takes too long to learn to use a remote control , they want something that's easier to use straight away , more intuitive perhaps .Project Manager:Mm .Marketing: Um .Industrial Designer: It's it's easy to learn or how do you say it's {disfmarker}Marketing: Thirty four percent said it took too much time tolearn to use a new one . Yep .Industrial Designer: Okay too much time to learn . Okay .Marketing: Um . And thirty {disfmarker} twenty six percent said remotecontrols are bad for R_S_I_ .Industrial Designer: Not enough {gap}Marketing: I don't know how we'd go about combating that .User Interface: {gap} . What doyou mean there ?Marketing: For R_S_I_ ? Respet Repetitive strain injury .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: So . But {disfmarker}Project Manager: Mm . Theythink that or do their doctor the doctor says ?Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: {vocalsound} But it's it's the opinion of the uh of the users huh ?Marketing: Yeah .That's what the report says yeah .Project Manager: So mm .Marketing: Um and then it's got a demographic breakdown on {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:Maybe y y you cannot put this webpage online on the {disfmarker}Marketing: Uh I should be able to actually , if I email it to you now .User Interface: You candisconnect it thereProject Manager: {vocalsound} You can maybe just just {disfmarker}User Interface: no ?Marketing: Oh no , yeah .Industrial Designer: Ah it's{vocalsound} it okay it's a webpage on the C_ it's a fileMarketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: okay .Marketing: Um , s hang on .Industrial Designer: O otherwiseyou yeah . You can connect this one .Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: Then you can connect this one or this one yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound}UserInterface: All to your computer .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Well .Industrial Designer: So these are important numbers that Matthew and I need to takeinto account for our functional um {disfmarker}User Interface: Oh yeah .Project Manager: {gap}Marketing: Oh I need to muck around with this . It's probablyeasier if you put it on yours and then I'll just email it to you . It's just a web link .Project Manager: Hmm .Industrial Designer: Yeah {gap}User Interface: Okay.Industrial Designer: Yeah these numbers have have to be have to be taken into account for the uh both yeah user interface and functional design .UserInterface: Hmm . {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: One thing it goes on to talk about , which is interesting , is the {disfmarker} hang on a minute .IndustrialDesigner: Because if there are many numbers and we need to select to to constraint uh our design based on what is more important .Marketing: Mm-hmm . Yep.Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Um , one thing is interesting is talking about um speech recognition in a remote control .Industrial Designer: Speechrecognition in {disfmarker}Marketing: And who would pay more for that and whether people would find it useful .Project Manager: D do you have numbers o o onthat ?Industrial Designer: Ah okay .Marketing: Yes , I'll just get this up .Industrial Designer: So that we don't {disfmarker} Do we not need any button on theremote control {vocalsound}Marketing: Well potentially yeah , um {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:it would be all based on speech .Marketing: I think even for interestiIndustrial Designer: Okay . Interesting idea .Marketing: yeah I think that would not work sowell . You wanna have both options .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: Well it would it would be a solution for uh when your remote control is lost,Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: I mean when it has speech recognition then uh i then it doesn't matter where it is , my {disfmarker} well it's{disfmarker} we should be in range ,Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: or maybe it can respond and produce sound , so say where it is. But the these are all quite fancy featuresIndustrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: I'm not sure whether we will we can make this for {vocalsound} for twelveEuro fi and fifty cents {vocalsound} .User Interface: Well it would be fMarketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: No you can't .IndustrialDesigner: And we don't know where the state of the art of speech recognition is , maybe you know ?User Interface: Oh . Well , {vocalsound} it depends you knowlike there is uh it's a very small vocabulary that you want to do the operations like you want to say on , off , one , two , twenty three ,Project Manager: Mm.Industrial Designer: But it's quite noisy if there is the T_V_ uh shouting .Marketing: Mm .User Interface: yeah .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Yes ,UserInterface: It's it's going to be liProject Manager: that that that that's mm .User Interface: it's not going to be s so easy but u usually it's going to be more of anisolated caseProject Manager: Do you have some more important factsUser Interface: but it's {disfmarker} but I don't know with twenty fiMarketing: Um{disfmarker}Project Manager: or can we go to the next presentation ?Industrial Designer: Okay . SoMarketing: Well {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: you had toto to summarise maybe the {disfmarker}Marketing: This is now talking about um who would pay for speech recognition in a remote control , who would pay morefor it , um . Ninety percent of the fifteen to twenty five year old market said that they would pay more , it goes down from there , seventy six percent for twentyfive to thirty five , thirty five percent for thirty five to forty five , um twenty two percent for forty five to fifty five and then eight percent for fifty five to sixty five.Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: Okay it's uh decline .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: But we shProject Manager: Mm-hmm . Declinewith age , mm .Marketing: Yeah , it really depends where we're gonna be targeting this product , um ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm .{vocalsound}Marketing: which we'll be talking about later I think .Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: Yes . We will talk about it later .{vocalsound}Marketing: Did you get the email ?Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound}Marketing: Yep , that one .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Just"}
{"doc_id":"doc_91","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Yep . Soon as I get this . Okay . This is our last meeting . Um I'll go ahead and go through the minutes from the previous meeting . Uh and thenwe'll have a , the prototype presentation . {vocalsound} Um then we will um do an evaluation . Uh or we'll see what , what we need to have under the criteria forthe evaluation . Then we'll go through the finance and see if we fall within the budget . Um then we'll do the evaluation , and then we can finish up after that withum any changes that we'll need to make , or hopefully everything will fall right in line . Um let's see , minutes from the last meeting . Um we looked at uh the thetrends . We had uh the fashion trends that people want a fancy look-and-feel . It was twice as important as anything else . Um they liked fruit and vegetables inthe new styles . Um and a spongy feel . So we were talking about trying to incorporate those into our prototype . Um they wanted limited buttons and simplicity .Um then we looked at the uh the method for coming up with our own remote . Um looking at other other devices . Um the iPod , we really liked the look of that .Um we also had uh the kid's remote for a simple idea . Um a two part remote , which was what were were originally looking at . Uh and then um there was talk ofspee uh speech recognition um becoming more uh predominant and easier to use . But I think we've still decided not to go with that . {vocalsound} Then welooked at the components um the materials for the case , the different energy sources , the different types of chips , um and made a decision on what we weregoing to use to make our remote . Um and basically how , what were making for the prototype . So I'm going to leave it at that and let you guys take over .UserInterface: The prototype discussion .Project Manager: The prototype yeah . Do you need a {disfmarker} this ?User Interface: No . {vocalsound}Project Manager:Okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Can try to plug that in thereUser Interface: There is our remo {gap} the banana .Marketing: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: but {disfmarker}User Interface: Um {vocalsound} yeah basically we we st went with the colour yellow . Um working on the principle of a fruit whichwas mentioned , it's basically designed around a banana .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Um but it would be held in such a fashion ,Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: where it is , obviously it wouldn't be that floppy 'cause this would be hard plastic . These would be like the rubber , the rubber grips .So that's so that would hopefully help with grip , or like the ergonomics of it . Um but all the controlling would be done with this scroll wheel . You have to useyour imagination a little bit . And this here represents the screen , where you , where you'd go through .Project Manager: Very nice .User Interface: And the thesimplest functions would be um almost identical to an iPod , where that one way ch through channels , that way th other way through channels . Volume up anddown . And then to access the more complicated functions you'd you sorta go , you press that and go through the menus . It's that that simple . That justrepresents the infrared uh beam . That's a simple on and off switch . Um I don't know , we could use the voice . T that blue bits should be yellow , that that'd bewhere the batteries would be I suppose . And um {vocalsound} that's about it . It's as simple as you , we could make it really .Industrial Designer: Right .UserInterface: Is there anything you want to add ?Industrial Designer: That's what we have there . That's plastic . Plastic covered with rubber . We might uh addsome more underneath here . Maybe give it , give it a form . I mean you're supposed to hold it like that , but um just if you grab it , take it from somewhere ,UserInterface: Yeah .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: so {disfmarker} yeah ,User Interface: Doesn't make much make much difference .IndustrialDesigner: you have some rub yeah .User Interface: You could work left-handed or right-handed I suppose .Industrial Designer: Exactly , {gap} use both . Mightas well think about {disfmarker}User Interface: T the actual thing might be smaller .Industrial Designer: Th think about the button as well . Like either put eitherone {gap} one on either side orUser Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: What but what's that button ?Industrial Designer: not do it at all . It's aquick on-off button .User Interface: Just the on and off .Project Manager: Uh , 'kay .Industrial Designer: That's umMarketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:yeah I think it's pretty important . So you don't have to fiddle with that .Project Manager: 'Kay .Industrial Designer: Right ? Um that's not um {disfmarker}ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'd say a bit smaller would probably be nice . You wanna play with that over there .User Interface: Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: There you go .User Interface: It's you know it's flimsy 'cause it's made out of heavy Play-Doh ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Would youlike to uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Right .User Interface: but {disfmarker}Marketing: Pretty impressive .Project Manager: Well done .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Kind of a banana .User Interface: And whether or not it would fall into the cost {gap} everything I suppose . With thescroll and the L_C_D_ .Project Manager: Well luckily we are going to find out . Or not luckily . Um do you have a marketing presentation for us .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} I do . Okay . You guys are gonna help me do an evaluation of the criteria . Um . Okay . So first I'll just discusssome of the criteria that I found . Just based on the past trend reports that I was looking at earlier . And then we'll do a group evaluation of the prototype . Andthen we will calculate the average score to see how we did . Um so the criteria we're gonna be looking at are the complaints um that we heard from the users whowere interviewed earlier . So we're gonna be doing it based on a seven point scale . And one is going to mean true , that we did actually achieve that . With sevenbeing false , we did not achieve that . {gap} . Okay . So for the first one , we need to decide , did we solved the problem of the users who complained about anugly remote ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I think it's definitely different thananything else out there .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: So if they think that what is out there is ugly , thenyes I would say , I would say most definitely .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: I would {gap} .Project Manager: It's bright .User Interface: It's bright . It's{disfmarker}Project Manager: It still has your traditional black .User Interface: It's curved . It's not {disfmarker} there's no sharpIndustrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: angles to it .Project Manager: Yep , not angular .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: I'd say , when it comes to the ergonomics , theform and stuff , yes that's definitely more beautiful than your average .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: However the colour , we don't have a say inthat .Marketing: Yeah I think the colours detract a little bit . {vocalsound}User Interface: Some people might say it . Yeah .Industrial Designer: That has been ,that has been dictated pretty much by the company .Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: So uh to answer that honestly I would rather say like uh , wehave not solved the problem completely with the ugly remote because the colour is ugly , definitely .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yep .Marketing: That's true .Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: 'S nothing you can say about that . I mean I much prefer something like brushedchrome with that form .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: But {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah something more modern to go {disfmarker} a amodern colour to go with the modern form .Industrial Designer: Right . Right . It's different . You don't want your uh three feet huge L_C_D_ dis display in yourliving room that's hanging from the wall to be controlled with something like that .Marketing: Um okay so , do you think , since we {disfmarker} This was a a signcriteria , do you think maybe we should put it somewhere in the middle then ?Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Does that sound good ?Project Manager:Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: What do you think ? Three ? Four ?Project Manager: I would sayMarketing: Five ?ProjectManager: four . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Four is fair . Okay .Project Manager: Very non-committal , four.Marketing: Okay , the second one . Did we make it simple for new users ?Industrial Designer: It's very intuitive , I think yeah .User Interface: Yeah . I think thatwas the main aim , one of the main aims that we had .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} S give it a one .Marketing: One ,Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: 'kay. Okay . Um , do the controls now match the operating behaviour of the users ?User Interface: Uh yeah . 'Cause we've we've brought it down to basically fourcontrols {gap} most common , which are channel and volume .Marketing: I'd say that {disfmarker}Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Right .UserInterface: And then the other ones are just a matter of just going , just scrolling further .Project Manager: S scrolling through and selecting a few .IndustrialDesigner: Right . So that's a one .Marketing: So one ?Project Manager: I think that's a one .Marketing: Yeah ? {vocalsound} Okay . Okay um the fourth one .How about the problem of a remote being easily lost ? One of the number one complaints .Industrial Designer: Something that big and that yellow you just don'tlose anymore .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} Whether you want to or not , you're not gonna lose it. {vocalsound}User Interface: It's bright yellow .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Bright yellow's hard to lose . But um if we were to , if we were, that , the speech recognition . That , we could maybe just use that solely for the the finding thing . That was what we'd we'd mentioned .Project Manager: So ifwe incorporate speech recognition into it then it could {disfmarker}User Interface: Just just to use , to find it when it was lost . But like I said , like I don't thinkyou'd lose something so yellow so easily .Industrial Designer: Oops . Hmm .User Interface: And it's not gonna fall , like a rectangle would slip down behind things. That's gonna be a difficult shape to {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Well what {disfmarker}Project Manager: And it is quite bright and {disfmarker}UserInterface: Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Maybe in the middle again , three or four or something ?Project Manager: Uh {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: SMarketing: Okay .User Interface: I mean you know {gap} loo losing things is one of those things that people can lose , I mean a million ways .ProjectManager: Yeah .User Interface: You can pick it up and walk away with it and then you've lost it .Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: That's true .ProjectManager: But if we do go with the , with the speech recognition , then it , then our scale goes up quite a bit I think .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: Oh yeah"}
{"doc_id":"doc_92","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Mm-hmm ? Okay . Ooh .User Interface: {gap}Industrial Designer: So we're 'kay ? On the {gap} or {disfmarker} No . I dunno where to put it'cause the {disfmarker} Okay . Could you s take it off ? {gap} .Marketing: Is that alright ? {vocalsound} {gap} or {disfmarker} Okay .Industrial Designer: Okay.Marketing: Keeps coming off . 'S fiddly .Project Manager: Hmm . {gap}Marketing: {vocalsound} Right .Project Manager: How do we sta wa how do we start ?Does anybody know ?Marketing: Oh , another one .Project Manager: So that's this {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh okay ,right .Industrial Designer: Are we free to take notes uh {disfmarker} Okay .Project Manager: Uh {vocalsound} {gap} . {vocalsound} {gap} . Hmm . Okay , justhang on a second everybody . I haven't actually looked at this yet .Marketing: {vocalsound} Ah .Project Manager: {gap} um {disfmarker}Marketing: Very nice.Project Manager: I haven't looked at it , but let's just start it off and we'll see what happens . If you're all ready .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: So{gap} is the agenda ? Opening , acquaintance , tool training and project plan , discussion and then closing . Project aim is a new remote control . It's original , uhtrendy and it's user-friendly .Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: Project method , functional design , individual work , another meeting , conceptual design ,individual work , and a meeting of details design , individual work and a meeting . Tool training . Try out the whiteboard , every participant should draw theirfavourite animal and sum up their favourite characteristics of that animal .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Um . Uh Miss Industrial Designer , would you like togo first ?Industrial Designer: Okay . So are we supposed to bring the little things for the {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah , why don't you just c , I think justclip on {disfmarker} clipMarketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {disfmarker} do you have a belt ?Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: Clip {gap} .ProjectManager: Or put 'em in your pocket , yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound} {gap} okay . So my favourite animal {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah ,what's your favourite animal ?Industrial Designer: 'Kay um {disfmarker}Marketing: Ah .Project Manager: Is it rude ?Marketing: It's an elephant .{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: That's a very good elephant .User Interface: The back end of an elephant .Marketing: Oh my gosh ,I'm never gonna be able to draw that well . {vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay , and you want to write up on there , it says you've gotta sum up your f f yourfavourite characteristics of that animal .Industrial Designer: Um {vocalsound} okay , it's big , it's got a great memory .Marketing: Does it ? Oh .IndustrialDesigner: Supposed to have a great memory , we say an elephant never forgets .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: And uh dunno knowwhy but {vocalsound} looks like nice to me .Project Manager: Okay . Wonderful , well done .Industrial Designer: Nice animal .Project Manager: Do you want touse the wipe {disfmarker} the m the wiper and wipe it off ?Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: And Mister aesthetics designer do you wanna go next?User Interface: {vocalsound} Aesthetic yep , sure .Marketing: I have no idea what my favourite animal is .User Interface: 'Kay , my favourite animal ,Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: uh let's see .Marketing: Oh .User Interface: Dunno if any of you have seen Napoleon Dynamite before .Marketing: It's{disfmarker}User Interface: It's a liger {vocalsound} ,Project Manager: No .Marketing: A what ?User Interface: a combination of a lion and tiger {vocalsound}.Marketing: Alright .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Have you not seen Napoleon Dynamite ?Marketing: How{gap} .Project Manager: No .Industrial Designer: No .User Interface: Oh it's a hilarious movie .Marketing: No .User Interface: You have to see it . And and it'sbest characteristic is it's pretty much the awesomest animal . But you have to see the movie to fully appreciate it . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay , welldone .Marketing: Great . Me ?Project Manager: Yeah . Miss mar Miss Marketing ?Marketing: Okay . Not quite sure how this is gonna work .User Interface: There{gap} go .Marketing: {vocalsound} Cool . {vocalsound} Uh {vocalsound} well I'll try my best {vocalsound} to draw . Can I just draw the face ?Project Manager:Um yeah , I think you can just draw the face , but then you'll have to describe in writing how the rest of it looks . {vocalsound}Marketing: Ooh . It's a cat .ProjectManager: That's a very pr pretty cat .Marketing: {vocalsound} Which also has what ? A big fat body and big {disfmarker} and a long tail .Project Manager: Okay ,do y do you wanna do some {disfmarker} write {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Why ?Project Manager: you wanna just write some words about it?Marketing: Because um cuddly . And usually cats are very friendly . Usually . And they're healing as well . They heal . And they can feel when a human's gotproblems so {disfmarker}Project Manager: Wow , so they're kinda spiritual .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: So , that's why I like cats .ProjectManager: Well done .Marketing: There we are , that's me . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um , I don't actuallyhave a favourite animal ,Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: but for the for th for this meeting I'll s draw a little {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} Mm-hmm.Project Manager: Uh . I honestly can't draw for toffee . Uh .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Really ?Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Oh that's a {disfmarker}Project Manager: {gap} noUser Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: A prairie dog ?Project Manager: {gap} no {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh a squirrel ?ProjectManager: That's exactly what it is .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh not a very good one {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Not badI would say .User Interface: Yeah , that's pretty good .Project Manager: Okay , well , you got it's a s It's a squirrel , and I like them , because they're cute andstupid .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Very good .Marketing: Ah .User Interface: Alright .Project Manager: Right . Okay , so , I guess that wasthe test to see if this equipment is all working .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm . Let's move on to the next page . Okay , project finance , sellingprice twenty five Euros , profit aim fifty million Euros .Marketing: Market range internationally sold .Project Manager: Yeah . Production cost , ah right it's gotta be{disfmarker} can't cost any more than twelve fifty to make .Marketing: Ah right okay .Project Manager: {gap} experience with with remote control , so talk aboutwho who's used what . Any ideas ? Stuff like that . Next meeting starts in thirty minutes . {vocalsound} At quarter to twelve . {vocalsound}User Interface: So Ithink before we close uh , we are expected {disfmarker} I mean the last slide wanted us to maybe discuss longer what our what our ideas where . I mean if youwanna go back to the last slide . Uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: SMarketing: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah , I think we're {disfmarker} Imean before we close the meeting , we're supposed to come up with some ideas for {disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh k so we're actually supposed to be doingthis discussion like right now are we or {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: oh okay .Industrial Designer: Mm .User Interface:Yeah .Project Manager: I thought this was just t giving us instructions for the re to do next , but {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah , I think this is just thepreliminary , get some rough ideas for what our experiences with remote controls have been and and what we would {disfmarker} roughly what we wouldincorporate into a new one maybe .Project Manager: Okay . Right , who's got experiences with remote controls then ? Pretty much everybody .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: Yeah , I think we've all got {disfmarker}Marketing: Uh . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um .Industrial Designer: Isthis a T_V_ one we are supposed to make ?Marketing: Yeah . Yeah it's a T_V_ remote control .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: 'Kay um .Marketing:Well . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: TMarketing: A new remote control for T_V_ . What would I like ? {vocalsound} Um .Project Manager: W what{disfmarker} You want it big do you want it small . Are we are we going for like like telephones are going little teeny tiny things or we are going for somethingthat's that's big and {disfmarker}Marketing: Medium .User Interface: Mm . Yeah it seems like there's like {disfmarker} there's sort of a tension between twoideas , I mean , you want you want one remote that maybe can work uh all all of the functions of T_V_ and if you have whatever associated with T_V_ theD_V_D_ player , or something like that ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} Video and ts hi-fi and stuff .User Interface: but like at the same time you don't wannareally busy remote with a thousand buttons on it or something .Project Manager: Maybe you {disfmarker} yeahUser Interface: Mm .Project Manager: now ththat's the other thing is it's gotta be cheap .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: 'Cause I I I mean I was thinking something that's got different like maybe a aan L_C_D_ display on it that's got different pages for different devices ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: but that would p that would probably be quiteexpensive .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: But how do we know how much uh , I mean , how much do we have per {disfmarker} how much ?Marketing:Twelve fifty .Industrial Designer: Twelve fifty . {vocalsound}User Interface: It g can't be more than twelve fifty per unit .Marketing: Each .Project Manager: Perunit , yeah .User Interface: Cost .Industrial Designer: So do we have to be realistic within the budget or {disfmarker}Project Manager: Well at the moment wecould , wa I mean we {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Close pr I don't know how much it would cost . Yeah .Marketing: Guess {disfmarker}Project Manager:'cause we this is what we th what we're doing at the moment is just saying what what we'd like , and then after we after we've found out what we can like , somedifferent ideas , we can then go and do the research to find out if these {disfmarker} any of these ideas are feasible or not .Industrial Designer: Right .ProjectManager: So would be nice to have something that that controls lots of different things .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Um .Marketing: Couldn't we havelike one that comes out ? {vocalsound} Like so you have one in like {disfmarker} mmIndustrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: it doesn't have to be really thick . Imean remote controls can be thin bits . And then you have one for your D_V_D_ and you sort of slide it out , and then you have another one , you slide it out.Project Manager: {vocalsound} 'Kay .Marketing: {gap} have slides . And then it all comes compactProject Manager: Okay , that's {gap} .Marketing: into one ."}
{"doc_id":"doc_93","qid":"","text":"Marketing: I wanna find our if our remote works .Project Manager: Me too . {vocalsound}Marketing: Oh . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . Um here's theagenda for our last meeting .Marketing: Whoohoo .Project Manager: Um after the opening we're going to have a prototype presentation , then we're going todiscuss the evaluation criteria and the financing of our remote . Then we're going to evaluate the product and I think the whole production process , and thenwe're gonna close it up , and we have forty minutes , so let's get started . Oh , no , let's have the prototype presentation .Industrial Designer: Mm 'kay ,UserInterface: {gap}Industrial Designer: you ready ?User Interface: Um sure . You or me ?Industrial Designer: Y you read that stuff , since you wrote it .UserInterface: Okay . Well , since our materials aren't exactly what we were going for , I'm just gonna translate what this all means for you .Industrial Designer: I'llbe the Vanna .User Interface: {vocalsound} The base is gonna be gunmetal gray , which is what we had decided , and it's gonna be plastic . Um then there's thelatex cover , which is what you see as red . Um because it can be replaceable , we just kinda went with the colour .Project Manager: Right .User Interface: Umand then the buttons are actually kind of poking through rather than on top . Um and the buttons will be a l much lighter blue , almost see-through .ProjectManager: Hmm .User Interface: It's just sort of a very pale blue and a light-up yellow .Marketing: That's nice .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: The wholething lights up if you press any button , rather than it {disfmarker} just that one button will light up .Marketing: Good .User Interface: Um and then at the bottomwe have our logo . Um bright yellow sort of design with the R_R_ {vocalsound} which will actually look like our logo .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Great .UserInterface: And then on the side you have the buttons . {vocalsound} They're one button , but they kind of push up and down .Project Manager: Okay .UserInterface: I don't think they're scrolling .Industrial Designer: No . They're just buttons .User Interface: {vocalsound} Right , yeah . And then {disfmarker} yeah ,the buttons .Industrial Designer: On off switch will be here and as you've noticed on our prototype um they've ended up with a curvature kind of , by concave sortof thing , except for , you know , {gap} can't see underneath .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: So I'm hoping that when we get to production we canactually make them like that , because they're very nice to stock {gap} you know , stick your finger in . Um the two squared buttons are are two probably leastused , menu , mute ,User Interface: Thumb-shaped .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: and then these are the numbers , so our channel and our volume willbe on either side .User Interface: Yeah . And then the last thing is just that it'll be black labelling on top , just which we didn't do . {vocalsound}Project Manager:Okay . And did you determine um the curvature of the bottom part of it for the hand , is it gonna be a single or a double ?User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: I'd say a single .Project Manager: Single . Single sounds good ,User Interface: Single .Project Manager: 'cause it's not big enough to really constitute adouble .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah , it's only actually the size of my hand .User Interface: Right .Project Manager: Great . Great . I think you didan awesome job .Marketing: Yeah , I think it's a beautiful {disfmarker}Project Manager: It is beautiful , and it's everything that we discussed .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah . Good job , you guys .Project Manager: Good job .Industrial Designer: Whoohoo .User Interface: Oh thank you .{vocalsound}Marketing: Those are really good .Project Manager: Alright {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {gap}Project Manager: what's next in our agenda ?Um we're gonna discuss the evaluation criteria , and that's with Courtney .Marketing: Okay , it's a PowerPoint presentation . I don't really know exactly what weshould uh talk about . It's under evaluation .Project Manager: Right .Marketing: Alright . Um so these are the criteria we're gonna ask , is it easy to use , is itfashionable uh {disfmarker} yeah , I guess we should write these down so we can reference them .Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: Feel good meaning what?Marketing: Like does it feel good , like {disfmarker}User Interface: Physically ,Project Manager: Right .User Interface: okay .Marketing: yeah , physically .UserInterface: {gap}Project Manager: Sqi {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} That's just for current trend .Project Manager: Right .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: It doesn't really count , you guys .Industrial Designer: Yeah , it was a little difficult to incorporate the cover with the cherry fruit on it.User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah . But it's {disfmarker} so we do have removable covers , right ?Project Manager: Right .Industrial Designer: Yes.User Interface: {gap}Marketing: Yeah , well then that's covered .Project Manager: 'Kay .Marketing: And so we n k everybody have that ?Project Manager: I'llwait .Marketing: Yeah , she's got it .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: It's good . Yeah . Okay so , we're using the criteria uh for a seven point scale , and so weneed to discuss how we feel . It falls within this range , so for easy to use , do we feel it's very easy to use ?Project Manager: Are we going to indiUser Interface:True or false , easy to use .Project Manager: I say we individually rate {disfmarker} what do you say ?Marketing: You guys {disfmarker}Project Manager: Justorally .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: Why not ? We have {disfmarker} okay .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Um easy to use . I votesix .Marketing: Oh wait , that's false .Project Manager: Oh ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: two .Marketing: Okay .Industrial Designer: I'd say twoas well .User Interface: Yeah , two .Marketing: Two . That's what I say .Project Manager: Uh hello , we're great .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay ,fashionable ?Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um one .Industrial Designer: At the moment , no .Project Manager: No .Marketing: No . I mean like no , I think it'svery fashionable .Project Manager: Me too , very chic . {vocalsound}Marketing: I thi I would give it a one .Project Manager: One , I give it a one .IndustrialDesigner: Okay .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'll give it a two , because at the moment it's not looking that way .Project Manager: Oh , andma it's a prototype ,Marketing: Well , that's that's just like {disfmarker} that's a clay , it's a prototype .Project Manager: right .User Interface: Mm I don't thinkit's that fashionable .Marketing: What do you think ?User Interface: I'd give it like three or four .Project Manager: Well , now I'm {gap} .Marketing: Okay .ProjectManager: So , the average is about a two .User Interface: {vocalsound} But then I'm not fashionable , soMarketing: Yeah , it's a two .Project Manager: Two orthree . Two point five .User Interface: don't use my opinion .Marketing: That's okay . Yeah .Industrial Designer: Neither are all o all the customers we have ,either .Marketing: {vocalsound} UmUser Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: does it feel good ?Project Manager: Imagine , since we obviously don't have that.User Interface: Does it feel good ?Marketing: I feel like {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Uh the shape of it actually does uh .Project Manager: And it's i it is veryergonomically designed . It's gonna be curved .User Interface: Yeah , it's gonna be thicker .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Depth .Marketing: I think itfeels good .Project Manager: I think so too .Marketing: I'll give it a two .Project Manager: 'Kay . Two .User Interface: {vocalsound} I'll give it a one .Marketing:What do you say ?Industrial Designer: I'd say a two .Project Manager: Alright , average is two .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Is it technologically innovative? Oh sorry I'm taking over your job here .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Oh no , it's fine ,Project Manager: Go right ahead . {vocalsound}Marketing:you're {disfmarker} I mean you're Project Manager .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Um yeah , I mean and it {disfmarker} does it have voice{disfmarker} I mean the phrase recognition on it ?Project Manager: Yes . Right ? We were able to do it with that kind of chip .User Interface: Oh right , the{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: We could do it with the chip , yes . It wasn't {disfmarker} we have no reflection of it on the prototype ,Marketing: And there'sno way you can represent it on here . YProject Manager: Yeah , right .Industrial Designer: but that's because it's only two dimensions , really .Project Manager:That was {disfmarker} 'kay . And we discussed that being included .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah , so .User Interface: Right.Marketing: Then yes , then I would {disfmarker} well it isn't {disfmarker} what else would it need for it to be technologically innovative ?Industrial Designer: It{disfmarker}Project Manager: Well we don' have the {disfmarker} you know , we can't say channel , and it changes the channel , channel eight .Marketing: Andit doesn't cover anything other then T_V_ ,Project Manager: Right .Marketing: so I'd probably give it a three .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay.Marketing: Even though it is {disfmarker} for just a T_V_ remote it's uh very advanced . But it is just a T_V_ remote .Project Manager: Yeah . I'd go for a threeor four on that one , so {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah I go four .Project Manager: okay , let's go for a three point five .User Interface: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Three and an half .Project Manager: Alright , and the last criteria {disfmarker} is it is it um {disfmarker}User Interface:Squishy and fruity .Marketing: {vocalsound} Well yeah , so I'd give it a two .Project Manager: Well , we've covered that with theUser Interface: It's just trendy ,basically .Project Manager: trendy . Sure . Capable . Very capable .Industrial Designer: It's capable of being squishy and fruity .Marketing: Oh , it's very capableof being squishy and fruity .User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay .Project Manager: And {vocalsound} it's very important . 'Kay , there we go .Marketing: Yeah.Project Manager: So .Marketing: Okay , next .Project Manager: Next . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} So um our re model slightly resembling a giantdelicious cookie appears to be a winner ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: and uh hopefully we'll sell millions . Goodjob , team . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} How did you get that in there ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}What ?Industrial Designer: The {vocalsound} slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie .Project Manager: {vocalsound} It does .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: It {vocalsound} it does . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} That was good .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Very good.Marketing: Thanks .Project Manager: Alright , let's go back to this {disfmarker} {vocalsound} No , that's it . Hmm . Oops . Okay , so now uh we're moving on tofinance , okay . I'm gonna show you an Excel spreadsheet and we're going to fill it in together based on what components we're including in our remote and see if"}
{"doc_id":"doc_94","qid":"","text":"Professor E: Let 's see . Test ? Test ? Yeah . OK .Grad A: Hello ?PhD B: Channel one .Grad A: Hello ?PhD C: Test .Professor E: I was saying Hynek 'll be here nextweek , uh , Wednesday through Friday {disfmarker} uh , through Saturday , and , um , I won't be here Thursday and Friday . But my suggestion is that , uh , atleast for this meeting , people should go ahead , uh , cuz Hynek will be here , and , you know , we don't have any Czech accent yet , uh , {vocalsound} as far as Iknow , so {disfmarker} There we go .PhD F: OK .Professor E: Um . So other than reading digits , what 's our agenda ?PhD F: I don't really have , uh , anythingnew . Been working on {pause} Meeting Recorder stuff . So .Professor E: OK . Um . Do you think that would be the case for next week also ? Or is {disfmarker} is, uh {disfmarker} ? What 's your projection on {disfmarker} ?PhD F: Um .Professor E: Cuz the one thing {disfmarker} the one thing that seems to me we reallyshould try , if you hadn't tried it before , because it hadn't occurred to me {disfmarker} it was sort of an obvious thing {disfmarker} is , um , adjusting the , uh ,sca the scaling and , uh , insertion penalty sorta stuff .PhD F: I did play with that , actually , a little bit . Um . What happens is , uh , {vocalsound} when you getto the noisy stuff , you start getting lots of insertions .Professor E: Right .PhD F: And , um , so I 've tried playing around a little bit with , um , the insertionpenalties and things like that .Professor E: Yeah .PhD F: Um . I mean , it {disfmarker} it didn't make a whole lot of difference . Like for the well - matched case ,it seemed like it was pretty good . Um . {vocalsound} I could do more playing with that , though . And , uh {disfmarker}Professor E: But you were looking at melcepstrum .PhD F: and see . Yes .Professor E: Right .PhD F: Oh , you 're talking about for th {vocalsound} for our features .Professor E: Right . So , I mean , i it it's not the direction that you were working with that we were saying what 's the {disfmarker} uh , what 's the best you can do with {disfmarker} with melcepstrum . But , they raised a very valid point ,PhD F: Mmm .Professor E: which , I guess {disfmarker} So , to first order {disfmarker} I mean , you have otherthings you were gonna do , but to first order , I would say that the conclusion is that if you , um , do , uh , some monkeying around with , uh , the exact HTKtraining and @ @ {comment} with , uh , you know , how many states and so forth , that it {disfmarker} it doesn't particularly improve the performance . In otherwords , that even though it sounds pretty dumb , just applying the same number of states to everything , more or less , no matter what language , isn't so bad .Right ? And I guess you hadn't gotten to all the experiments you wanted to do with number of Gaussians ,PhD F: Right .Professor E: but , um , let 's just{disfmarker} If we had to {disfmarker} if we had to draw a conclusion on the information we have so far , we 'd say something like that . Right ?PhD F: Mm -hmm .Professor E: Uh , so the next question to ask , which is I think the one that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that Andreas was dre addressing himself to inthe lunch meeting , is , um , we 're not supposed to adjust the back - end , but anybody using the system would .PhD F: Yeah .Professor E: So , if you were justadjusting the back - end , how much better would you do , uh , in noise ? Uh , because the language scaling and insertion penalties and so forth are probably setto be about right for mel cepstrum .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor E: But , um , they 're probably not at all set right for these things , particularly these things thatlook over , uh , larger time windows , in one way or another with {disfmarker} with LDA and KLT and neural nets and {vocalsound} all these things . In the fapast we 've always found that we had to increase the insertion penalty to {disfmarker} to correspond to such things . So , I think that 's , uh , @ @ {comment}that 's kind of a first - order thing that {disfmarker} that we should try .PhD F: So for th so the experiment is to , um , run our front - end like normal , with thedefault , uh , insertion penalties and so forth , and then tweak that a little bit and see how much of a difference it makesProfessor E: So by \" our front - end \" Imean take , you know , the Aurora - two s take some version that Stephane has that is , you know , our current best version of something .PhD F: if we were{disfmarker} Mm - hmm .Professor E: Um . I mean , y don't wanna do this over a hundred different things that they 've tried but , you know , for some versionthat you say is a good one . You know ? Um . How {disfmarker} how much , uh , does it improve if you actually adjust that ?PhD F: OK .Professor E: But it isinteresting . You say you {disfmarker} you have for the noisy {disfmarker} How about for the {disfmarker} for the mismatched or {disfmarker} or {disfmarker}or {disfmarker} or the {disfmarker} or the medium mismatched conditions ? Have you {disfmarker} ? When you adjusted those numbers for mel cepstrum , didit {disfmarker} ?PhD F: Uh , I {disfmarker} I don't remember off the top of my head . Um . Yeah . I didn't even write them down . I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker}I don't remember . I would need to {disfmarker} Well , I did write down , um {disfmarker} So , when I was doing {disfmarker} I just wrote down some numbersfor the well - matched case .Professor E: Yeah .PhD F: Um . Looking at the {disfmarker} I wrote down what the deletions , substitutions , and insertions were , uh, for different numbers of states per phone .Professor E: Yeah .PhD F: Um , but , uh , that {disfmarker} that 's all I wrote down .Professor E: OK .PhD F: So . I{disfmarker} I would {disfmarker} Yeah . I would need to do that .Professor E: OK . So {disfmarker}PhD F: I can do that for next week .Professor E: Yeah . And ,um {disfmarker} Yeah . Also , eh , eh , sometimes if you run behind on some of these things , maybe we can get someone else to do it and you can supervise orsomething . But {disfmarker} but I think it would be {disfmarker} it 'd be good to know that .PhD F: OK . I just need to get , um , {vocalsound} front - end , uh ,stuff from youPhD B: Hmm .PhD F: or you point me to some files {pause} that you 've already calculated .PhD B: Yeah . Alright .Professor E: OK . Uh .PhD F: Iprobably will have time to do that and time to play a little bit with the silence model .Professor E: Mm - hmm .PhD F: So maybe I can have that for next weekwhen Hynek 's here .Professor E: Yeah .PhD B: Mm - hmm .Professor E: Yeah . Cuz , I mean , the {disfmarker} the other {disfmarker} That , in fact , might havebeen part of what , uh , the difference was {disfmarker} at least part of it that {disfmarker} that we were seeing . Remember we were seeing the SRI systemwas so much better than the tandem system .PhD F: Hmm .Professor E: Part of it might just be that the SRI system , they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} theyalways adjust these things to be sort of optimized ,PhD F: Is there {disfmarker} ?Professor E: and {disfmarker}PhD F: I wonder if there 's anything that we coulddo {vocalsound} to the front - end that would affect the insertion {disfmarker}Professor E: Yes . I think you can .PhD F: What could you do ?Professor E: Well ,um {disfmarker} uh , part of what 's going on , um , is the , uh , the range of values . So , if you have something that has a much smaller range or a much largerrange , and taking the appropriate root .PhD F: Oh . Mm - hmm .Professor E: You know ? If something is kind of like the equivalent of a bunch of probabilitiesmultiplied together , you can take a root of some sort . If it 's like seven probabilities together , you can take the seventh root of it or something , or if it 's in thelog domain , divide it by seven .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor E: But {disfmarker} but , um , that has a similar effect because it changes the scale of the numbers{disfmarker} of the differences between different candidates from the acoustic modelPhD F: Oh , right .Professor E: as opposed to what 's coming from thelanguage model .PhD F: So that w Right . So , in effect , that 's changing the value of your insertion penalty .Professor E: Yeah . I mean , it 's more directly likethe {disfmarker} the language scaling or the , uh {disfmarker} the model scaling or acoustic scaling ,PhD F: That 's interesting .Professor E: but you know thatthose things have kind of a similar effect to the insertion penaltyPhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor E: anyway . They 're a slightly different way of {disfmarker} ofhandling it .PhD F: Right .Professor E: So , um {disfmarker}PhD F: So if we know what the insertion penalty is , then we can get an idea about what range ournumber should be in ,Professor E: I think so .PhD F: so that they {pause} match with that .Professor E: Yeah . Yeah . So that 's why I think that 's another reasonother than curiosity as to why i it would in fact be kinda neat to find out if we 're way off . I mean , the other thing is , are aren't we seeing {disfmarker} ? Y yPhDF: Mm - hmm .Professor E: I 'm sure you 've already looked at this bu in these noisy cases , are {disfmarker} ? We are seeing lots of insertions . Right ? Theinsertion number is quite high ?PhD B: Yeah .Professor E: I know the VAD takes pre care of part of that ,PhD F: Yeah .PhD B: Yeah .Professor E: but{disfmarker}PhD F: I 've seen that with the mel cepstrum . I don't {disfmarker} I don't know about {pause} the Aurora front - end , but {disfmarker}PhD B: Ithink it 's much more balanced with , uh {disfmarker} when the front - end is more robust . Yeah . I could look at it {disfmarker} at this . Yeah . Mm - hmm.Professor E: Yeah . Wha - what 's a typical number ?PhD B: I don't {disfmarker} I don't know .Professor E: Do we {disfmarker} ? Oh , you {disfmarker} oh , youdon't know .PhD B: I don't have this in {disfmarker}Professor E: OK . I 'm sure it 's more balanced ,PhD B: Mm - hmm .Professor E: but it {disfmarker} it{disfmarker} it wouldn't surprise me if there 's still {disfmarker}PhD B: Mm - hmm .Professor E: I mean , in {disfmarker} in the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker}the old systems we used to do , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} uh , I remember numbers kind of like insertions being half the number of deletions , as being{disfmarker} and both numbers being {disfmarker} tend to be on the small side comparing to {disfmarker} to , uh , substitutions .PhD B: Mm - hmm .PhD F:Well , this {disfmarker} the whole problem with insertions was what I think , um , we talked about when the guy from OGI came down {pause} that one time and{disfmarker} and that was when people were saying , well we should have a , uh , uh , voice activity detector {disfmarker}Professor E: Right .PhD F: that ,because all that stuff {comment} that we 're getting thr the silence that 's getting through is causing insertions . So .PhD B: Mmm .Professor E: Right .PhD F: I 'llbet you there 's still a lot {vocalsound} of insertions .PhD B: Mm - hmm .Professor E: Yeah . And it may be less of a critical thing . I mean , the fact that some getby may be less of a critical thing if you , uh , get things in the right range .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor E: So , I mean , the insertions is {disfmarker} is asymptom . It 's a symptom that there 's something , uh , wrong with the range .PhD F: Right .Professor E: But there 's {disfmarker} uh , your {disfmarker} your{disfmarker} your substitutions tend to go up as well . So , uh , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I think that ,PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor E: uh , the most obvious"}
{"doc_id":"doc_95","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: So we come again for the the second meeting .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Uh for the aim of this meeting now is to to makepresentation about uh the work for each one .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: And {gap} take the the decision about the the design and thefunctionality of the the remote control .User Interface: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: And we have {disfmarker} think I got a new project requirement.Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: So I think uh teletext becomes outdated . So the popularity of the {disfmarker} since the popularity of the internet,Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: and I think we don't need lighting adaptive , so the remote control should be only used for the the television . And ofcourse we should have our image {gap} in the in the design . So , let's start with the the industrial designer .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{gap} .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah , alright .Project Manager: Or y you can use the whiteboard if you want .Industrial Designer: So uh{disfmarker} Well I have a PowerPoint pr presentation stored in my in my personal folderProject Manager: Here .Industrial Designer: so I I I think you can reachit from here .Marketing: Just go to explorer .Project Manager: Oh okay .Marketing: Or open . Participant two .Industrial Designer: Participant two .ProjectManager: This one .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Open uh .Industrial Designer: Uh open . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Do you want to open{disfmarker}User Interface: Because it's open you mean . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Right , so um I will talkabout the the w working design and {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} F_ five .Marketing: Slide show , view slide show , {gap} .Project Manager: Ah.Industrial Designer: And um well I I will present my my first idea on how to build the {disfmarker} our new remote control for television .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So uh can you go one page down , please . So I think the first things to do is to define the hardware components neededs toachieve uh what we want to do .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So uh mm I'm thin uh {vocalsound} I think uh I I'll do a survey about what isuh what is available on the market and what what is the the cheapest possible {vocalsound} things we hav we can use . Then uh I will try with the technical teamto to build a prototype and to see uh with uh h how this little box {vocalsound} would uh look look like .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Andhow an and we can uh start troubleshooting first uh com communication problems or things like that .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And whenwe are ready with this first prototype I I think we can add some software functionalities on a programmable chip like browsing by content or um things like that .Okay so can you go down uh {disfmarker} So , wha what I think {vocalsound} for now {vocalsound} is {vocalsound} we don't want to have a remote control wwhich is wiredUser Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: so uh I think we u we can use a battery for the {gap} . Then twoprogrammable chips for both software functionalities and communication . And the communication with the T_V_ set is uh made through uh infraredcommunication So uh this is the {vocalsound} the schema of the {vocalsound} o of the future uh remote controlsUser Interface: Did you draw it ?{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Wow . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: so uh you can you can see the components , uhbattery and uh the two chips goes to the infrared uh connection to the T_V_ set .User Interface: This {gap} .Project Manager: This {disfmarker}User Interface:What is the other chip for ? The one on top .Industrial Designer: The one on top is for the um {disfmarker} well the functionali the functionalitiesUser Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: One is a communication .Industrial Designer: and the the th red um {disfmarker} sorry the green one is is to {disfmarker} well , puttingthings together , um f transform the data into uh qu into the format to to {gap} uh to communicate with the T_V_ set .User Interface: For men . To the{disfmarker} in {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Okay .Industrial Designer: And , that's it . I think we should use a F_P_G_A_ for {vocalsound} for the functionalitieswhich is easy to to tUser Interface: Mm . What is F_P_G_A_ ?Industrial Designer: It's field programmable uh something array .Marketing: {vocalsound} Gatewayarrays .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: It's a field programmable gateway arrays .User Interface: So why's it {disfmarker} how is it differentfrom the Bluetooth ?Industrial Designer: Well , uh a F_P_G_A_ is just a chip you can uh you can {gap} pr programme it uh wi with wh whatever you want .UserInterface: Yeah . Programme it .Marketing: Yeah {gap} .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: And uh well the Bluetooth chip is just responsible to uh makethe communication uh between uh the two devices .User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker} So this are the {disfmarker} they have to worktogether ? Or ? Do they have to work together or two separate choice {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: No . Well , th the F_P_G_A_ will produce the the data tosend .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: Or it's something like {disfmarker} isn't hardware the first one ? And the second one is for the software .User Interface: Isthe is the software par alri okay .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah to run th to make it run .User Interface: Okay , okay .Marketing: That's it .UserInterface: So you can control {gap} if you want , right ?Industrial Designer: Yeah {vocalsound} .Marketing: No .Industrial Designer: Alright and that's it for theworking design .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So if you have any questions ?User Interface: Mm .Marketing: Okay , and how about thebattery power ? Uh you mean that battery would be somewhere there and the remote contro the power to the battery comes through infrared ?IndustrialDesigner: Uh no no no no , I think uh we have uh to to uh have uh embedded uh b batteries in in the {disfmarker}Project Manager: {gap} .Marketing: Into the{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: yeah into the t .Marketing: more compact and uh {disfmarker} okay , {gap}Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And uh I I don't think it will need um {vocalsound} very uh much power to make it run , so {disfmarker}User Interface:{vocalsound} Mm . Mm .Marketing: Yeah , yeah . Okay .User Interface: Mm . You can put it on the charger when uh you when you don't need to use it .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah . It's a good idea .Marketing: Yeah , that's right .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Having a charger rather than putting the battery cells always.User Interface: Yeah , yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: People don't like it to have to buy the batteries when they run out .User Interface: Yeah . Mm. Uh {disfmarker} mm .Marketing: We just make a small chargerUser Interface: Y yeah , yeah .Marketing: and put it {disfmarker}Project Manager: You can iyeah .User Interface: Because you are using because you are using Bluetooth , if some people have P_D_A_ they can use their P_D_A_ to control the T_V_ if theywant to , right ?Industrial Designer: That's a good idea .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: MaIndustrial Designer: Also , but but {vocalsound} I I I thinkuh the the goal is to sell our remote {vocalsound} control .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} I dunno . {vocalsound}Marketing: Bu{vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah we can change the b {gap} .Marketing: Our remote ,Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: we do not want to make it P_D_A_ .{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} S {vocalsound} okay , so charger for {gap} is the {gap} .Project Manager: Um.User Interface: {vocalsound} So is mine .Project Manager: It's mine . Participant one , no ?User Interface: Oh . Yeah , this your {disfmarker}Project Manager:Mm . Oh we have {gap} so let's move to to user interface design {gap} .User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound} So you can open uh {vocalsound}Project Manager:Participant {disfmarker}User Interface: three . Yeah . {vocalsound} So {disfmarker} So I'm working on the technical functions design . {gap} can you show thenext slide . So the the purpose is to to find uh the important questions to ask is what effect should the apparatus have . So {vocalsound} so I found on a webs onthe internetProject Manager: {vocalsound} During the weekend .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} {disfmarker} yeah .{vocalsound} I spent a lot of time searching {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: That's good . {vocalsound}User Interface: and uhand I found that uh the function of remote control is to send messages to television set .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound} For example switch on , switch off , switch the next channel and so on and so on .Marketing: GUser Interface:So I found two very good prototypes for {vocalsound} for this interface from our competitorsIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: so can you{vocalsound} {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: This are usual functionality {gap} .User Interface: Yeah , yeah , yeah . Ours is abit uh different . So these are two example . One is from {vocalsound} {gap} the other one is from , yeah , uh engineering centr yeah .Project Manager: Tasks.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: This is the most competing prototypes I've found {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}UserInterface: But then uh loo but then I found if you look at {disfmarker} you see on the left one there are too many buttons {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: And they are small {gap} .User Interface: Yeah . O on the right I tried to play with {vocalsound} the problem is that uh if I havehundred channels I have uh I have to choo press the other button to choose the hundred channels and I have to compose the numberIndustrial Designer:{vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: so it's very lousy .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound} So you {vocalsound} so you move to the nextthe next one .Industrial Designer: Of course .User Interface: Yeah , so I talk about the problem . And then I I look at the user manual they are a hundred pagesthick , so we don't want that .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound} So I propose the easy to use uh prototype . You can navigate on T_V_ screenand we can {gap} the user's preference and we need to have the T_V_ connected to internet so we end {disfmarker} in order to access the T_V_ programmes byX_M_L_ and we need some {disfmarker} to do some preprocessing . From the technical aspect , the processing should be done on the T_V_ set than on the{vocalsound} on the remote controller , right ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} And then we {disfmarker} the speech recognition"}
{"doc_id":"doc_96","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Is everyone ready to start ?Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yes .Project Manager: Okay. Great . Well , welcome to the third meeting of conceptual design . I'll just get the PowerPoint presentation up and running . Okay . Um , on the agenda for this ,um , for this particular meeting , we'll have your three presentations on what you've done since our last meeting , after we came up with um some general ideasof our design . And , um , then we have to make some key decisions on , on our remote control concept , and how we're gonna make it , what uh materials we'regonna use , and that sort of thing .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: The meeting will be forty minutes long .Industrial Designer: Okay .ProjectManager: And um we will once again have Poppy as our first presenter .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay .Project Manager: Alright , and I will switch upPowerPoint .Industrial Designer: Thank you .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Should be just loading . {vocalsound} Okay . Oh , although I can't see iton my screen . That says go here . Okay . I've been doing some research into the different components that we could use , um what's available to us f to actuallymake the remote control . Um , first of all we have to look at how the remote control is actually made , and what is it happens inside the casing , which is moreyour field . Um , thes main internal feature is a circuit board , which contains all the elec electronics and also the contacts with the power source .Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Which is not necessarily a battery , as we're about to see . Um , there are several components of , um , the circuit board thatwe need to consider , where we'll be getting them from , what they'll be made of . Um , including the integrated circuit , which is also known as the chip . Which iswhere all the main information is uh contained . Um , diodes , transistors , resonators , resistors , and capacit capacitors all need to be considered as well . Um ,and all their positioning in the circuit .Project Manager: Um {disfmarker} Are they all included , like mandatorily , or r are these different options ?IndustrialDesigner: Uh , these , they're all different options , they're all separate , apart from the chip , which we will probable decide whether we buy a simple , a regular ,advanced .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: We can go into that later . Um , all the other things are individual components that we'd have to get inseparately , and work out the most , like , effective um circuit , including all the wires and everything like that . And the L_E_D_ of course , that's a light emittingdiode . So , we could , so we've got flex flexibility with colours and things , with that as well .Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: Okay , there are lots ofdifferent possibilities for the energy source . We could use a basic battery , but that brings with it , like they need to be recharged and the bulk , the size of it aswell . And they're not so great to dispose of , environmentally . {vocalsound} There's a hand-powered dynamo which is a sort of thing that was used for torchesfifty years ago . A bit out of date . Kinetic energy is something that's been recently developed .Project Manager: Um {disfmarker} What is a hand-powereddynamo ?Industrial Designer: Um , where you manually charge up the power .Project Manager: Just every , every once in a while ?Industrial Designer: Like youwind up something .Project Manager: Just every once in a while or constantly ?Industrial Designer: Sorry ? Yeah . Every once in a while I thinkProject Manager:Alright . It'd be kind of strange to always be cranking it I think .Industrial Designer: . But it's {disfmarker} Yeah . It would be like going a step back in time .UserInterface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer: I don't think it would really be with kind of cutting edge technology .Project Manager: No .{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Whereas kinetic energy is a new idea that's being used by some watches and other devices , whereyou just shake the device and it gives it power . I mean , the kinetic energy is transformed into power to make the circuit work . Um , or there's solar power ,which we've been considering inside a building , which is where it's gonna be used , might not be quite so useful .Project Manager: Right .Industrial Designer: But, good to look into , renewable energy , always the way . Um , lots of considerations for the case , like what sort of shape it would be , curved or flat . That's got alot to do with the ergonomics . Like how it's comfortable and s sits in the hand . We don't want something that's huge and you can't pick up . Or too small . Or tooslidy . I know I've had a remote control before which you couldn't tell which was the front and the back ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: 'causeit had so many buttons on , and the shape was so symmetrical that I'd be pressing like a volume button instead of the on button .Marketing: Mm .IndustrialDesigner: Because you can't really see which way round it is .Project Manager: Right .Industrial Designer: Um , we also can choose what materials {disfmarker}um , the {disfmarker} we could use metal , we could use rubber which might be more um ideal for the anti-R_S_I_ . It's like the same sort of rubber that's usedin stress balls and things like that , so it's very like soft , not so stressful on your hands .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Wood.Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Um , again , stepping back in time again there .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I don'tthink that's quite up to date with what we're looking for here .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Um , titanium is not gonna be possible , even though itjust it beyond our budget really . But , would've been maybe for future projects . Um right our choice for buttons as well . We've developed some {disfmarker}we've got some good advances in technology , with our research team have found some uh new multiple um option scroll buttons . I think that was brought upfor , um , {disfmarker} they're basically quite a flexible design , modern , you don't have to use individual buttons . You can just slide up and down . I'm surewe're all quite familiar with those on mobiles or computer laptop pads .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Um one thing with thescroll buttons though . It , it {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: we would have to have an L_C_D_ umIndustrial Designer: Yeah .That's true .Project Manager: display , and the glow in the dark thing might be difficult .Industrial Designer: And that would lead to an advanced {disfmarker}yeah . If we have {disfmarker} yeah . We're going on to that later with the advanc with the L_C_D_ that means we'd need a really advanced chip .ProjectManager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: And it's unlikely that that's gonna be in our budget .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Um , also we've got theintegrated pushbutton , which is what we're most familiar with . It's the most straightforward . But you can in like incorporate that with a scroll button as well .{gap} . Got decisions to make there . And this is what I was just saying before . Linked in the different {disfmarker} depends on what type of buttons we haveand the inputs . Um simple would go with the pushbutton . Um , regular you could link with the scroll button . And the advanced we'd have to go with a L_C_D_ sdisplay .Project Manager: Right .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} My personal preferences ? I think we could go for the kinetic energy source . I don't , I thinkthat's quite um an advanced kind of technology . It's not been seen before , so it could be quite a , a novelty factor , attractive as well . And also energy saving'cause you're producing the energy , you don't need an external sort of battery supply or solar panels . You just give it a shake .Project Manager: Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Sounds brilliant to me .Project Manager: Uh .Industrial Designer: Rubber casing I thing would probably the best , if we're going for theanti-R_S_I_ and like more choice with um aesthetics . Like it could be pretty much any colour we want . Um , and gives you , yeah , more flexibility there . Andprobably the regular chip as opposed to the simple ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: then we could possibly have the scroll and the push , but noL_C_D_ , 'cause we probably can't afford that one .Project Manager: Yeah . Um , one concern with the rubber casing is that it would be rubber encapsulating all ofthese {vocalsound} chips and diodes and delicate technology asIndustrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: like as the exterior . This is the one thing that'sprotecting its innards .Industrial Designer: I think that would , uh there would be an in sort of more internal casing . And the rubber would just be the , what's incontact with the human .Project Manager: Yeah . Another thing is it might be more difficult {disfmarker} if it's a rubber exterior {gap} talking about putting oninterchangeable plates .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: Um , is it {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: I don't see how a like a rubber plate going on top it would stay there . Like if it was sort of like a clip-on plastic plate . It would work that way .IndustrialDesigner: Maybe if the , um , if it was just kind of a , more of a rubber coating which was on to a case .User Interface: WIndustrial Designer: So , it was kind of ,the whole thing would be removable .User Interface: Like plastic with rubber , kind of on topIndustrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: Like {disfmarker} I can't think of what .User Interface: Well , there's , there is a certain phone that has like a rubber casing ,Project Manager: Yeah.Industrial Designer: Yeah . Or like an {disfmarker}User Interface: b like a Nokia it is .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: you can get sort of outer casingfor iPods and something , that's just {disfmarker} it's protective as well .User Interface: It's {disfmarker} yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Like the skin?Industrial Designer: It , it stops it , I mean ,Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: it would reduce the impact if it was dropped or something , as well , 'cause itwouldn't damage itself so easily .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Alright . So maybe the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Ithink i maybe a mixture of both there , maybe .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: So the actual remote would behard plastic and the casings rubber .Industrial Designer: And then {disfmarker} yeah . Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Yeah.Marketing: And the buttons obviously are rubber .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: That sounds good . I , um , is it possible to put designs onto this type of rubber ?Industrial Designer: As far as I know . It shouldbe .Project Manager: Okay ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: we'll just say yeah . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yes , justwhy not .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah , yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Alright . I like the kinetic energy source idea .Industrial Designer:"}
{"doc_id":"doc_97","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Uh it fell off . One , two , three , four , yeah , we're ready . Okay . Welcome to this second meeting . Um it's now quarter after twelve and we'regiven forty minutes um for this meeting . This is a meeting on functional design . Um and I wanna welcome you all and thank you all for doing some research inbetween . Um I did {disfmarker} took the minutes from the first meeting and I'll show them to you in a moment . Um I know each of you have a presentation andum in thinking about the forty minutes , I thought it would take only like three minutes for the previous minutes , um each of you having about seven minutes ormaybe a little more , maybe a little less for your pre presentations and a little discussion , because there's {disfmarker} I happen to have been told there weresome new project requirements and we have to make some uh decision on what functions it will have . Okay ? Is this ap everybody agree with this ?IndustrialDesigner: Oops .User Interface: Yes .Marketing: Yes .Project Manager: Okay . Um and after the meeting there'll be things to be done and as you can see it sayswe get to get lunch , um and then some more individual work and then putting minutes away and individual actions . {vocalsound} Um but uh now for theminutes of the first meeting . And go to that one . Um as you can see it was this earlier today . Um Kate , Steph , Sarah and myself in our four capacities werepresent . I opened the meeting , the product was developed uh and reviewed , and we talked about the financial end of it . Um and it had some implications , umthe four million sales target and new ideas of not too many buttons , bright colours and some of the influence of the Japanese . And we closed early so you couldthen proceed with your research and getting your reports together for tod this meeting {vocalsound} Anybody have any questions on those minutes ? Are theycomplete , did they discuss everything that we covered last time ? 'Kay .Industrial Designer: Uh I think so ,Project Manager: Did I miss something ?IndustrialDesigner: we we we talked about the the individual roles that we each had as well .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Yeah . I'm afraid I incorporated{vocalsound} that when I said who was present , but {disfmarker} yes , we did ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay .Project Manager: and we did a little bitof uh team building of uh of making the pictures ,Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay , I accept the minutes .Project Manager: but I didn't think those wereappropriate to the minutes necessarily . So um as a group I think we've {disfmarker} are {disfmarker} they're accepting the minutes . And uh {disfmarker} okay.Marketing: Is that what we're supposed to say ?Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah , I do .Project Manager: Good . Um , then we'll move to the threepresentations . Okay ?Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Okay . Mm we need to move this . Who wants to go f first ? {vocalsound} That's as far as it goes .UserInterface: Uh not really meant to touch those microphones . Oh it doesn't have any on , does it ? That's fine .Marketing: Excellent , thank you .IndustrialDesigner: Oy , big loop under the table .Project Manager: She said we didn't need to screw it in .Marketing: Okay . Okay , that looks good .Project Manager: It'sdoing its thing . There we are .Marketing: Alright . Thank you very much . Um . One of the the biggest issues I found about um from last meeting was the factthat we need to sell four million of these um remote controls and I think that this is an opportunity to really take Real Reaction in the direction of of similar{disfmarker} of handheld tools that have been used and are used by many of us and to kind of bring the remote control into the si same realm as an accessibleum useful electronic device , as opposed to something that is lost in the couch and what have you . So um my main goal here is to re-envision the remote controlin in this context and to think about menu functionality and current technology and the fact that it could be interactive with other tools . Um some of the researchuh in the market has shown that people really are not happy with remote controls as they are now , and um that means we do need to make some decisionsabout what what keys or or buttons on the on the remote control to perhaps keep and and what ones to discard . And if we devote some energy into this , I thinkthe um recent productions of Real Reaction , the I go everywhere power and the high definition D_V_D_ players {disfmarker} although it makes immediate senseto {vocalsound} have our remote control interact with these , I think we can also use this as a platform to make it interact with other tools . And um in fact Ithink the high definition D_V_D_ players and all of this will come along in the uh {disfmarker} will only benefit from the positive feedback {vocalsound} from ourwell designed tool . So again , most uh users really dislike the current look and feel of remote controls . Um {vocalsound} fifty percent {disfmarker} I think of allthese uh numbers the most important is fifty percent of user say they only use ten percent of the buttons . And eighty percent of users , and if we think about this{vocalsound} there are a lot of uh television , D_V_D_ , stereo remote control users out there , eighty percent would spend more money on a remote control thatlooks fancy .Industrial Designer: Could {disfmarker} can I ask where these figures come from , is this market research we've {disfmarker}Marketing: Um it wasmarket research and there were a hundred people in the room , so eighty out of a hundred said they would spend more money .Project Manager: Now in between, as the Project Manager , they sent me an email from the powers that beIndustrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: um that teletext is outdatedumMarketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: and the internet is coming in as important , but that they want this remote control to only be for T_V_ um withincorporating the corporate image , colour and slogan .Marketing: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Well I think we can {disfmarker} I I think we can really focus on thisremote and and again bring the Real Reaction um brand in in and and get some positive marketing for our other tools , even if we directly don't um advertise{vocalsound} for the I go everywhere line .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: So an interesting um element was the would you pay more for speech recognitionquestion . So these market research uh uh questionnaires {vocalsound} looked into your your uh concern about technologyProject Manager: Hmm .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Marketing: and s specifically wanted to find out information about speech recognition .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Now the earlyadopters , those of us who grew up with technology and uh luck lucky for us have the uh cash to to pay for it , the young age group without the mortgages andresponsibilities , ninety one percent of them {vocalsound} would pay more for speech recognition in a remote control . Very interesting , I I leave this up to thegroup to decide if we wanna use this uh if {disfmarker} and you know , the the designers ,Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: but ninety one percent , fifteen totwenty five {disfmarker}Project Manager: Is that a large enough target market to target it ?Marketing: Well , I I I think {disfmarker} especially in terms ofgrowth , I think this would be a very smart group to target . I mean s three quarters of the next age group , twenty five to thirty five are interested , and uh withthe technologies improving , if we can get these uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: In real numbers , does the ninety one percent and the seventy six percenttranslate to ex in excess of the four million ?Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah . To {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Um yes .Project Manager: Or eight million.Marketing: Yes . But would you pay more and does it work and is it approachable and and did I know that it was it was an {disfmarker}Project Manager: Hmm.Marketing: that's a that's a very good question .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer: Um {disfmarker}Marketing: I don't know if speechrecognition should be um should be included ,Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: but I think it's an interesting {disfmarker} I think that maybe shows more aboutuh being open to technology .Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: Uh it definitely needs uh a lot more researchMarketing: Shall I go back ?User Interface: onlike how much more it would be and any , you know , existing examples ,Marketing: Yeah , yeah .User Interface: and what reactions to them have been , andthat sort of thing .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: How d I'm wondering how how ou how our target price compares with the the typical price of thesethings . I expect an Industrial Designer should know that , but if we're aiming to to build this thing for twelve Euros fifty , um is that a lot or a little ?Marketing:Exactly . I mean I I I uh did not receive any information on that , but I think the competition , sussing out what other people are doing and what's in the pipelineis very very important , because um there is a question about do you want an L_C_D_ screen and and that wasn't responded to , but uh some of the largerremotes do have screens where you can navigate , you know , so it turns into something {disfmarker} uh perhaps you all have seen uh the Osbournes whereOzzy Osbourne is is attempting to manage his super entertainment system with something that looks like a uh a small tray .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Shsurely he's in the wrong age group .Marketing: You know ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: it's {disfmarker} I a and I think , you know{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: He must be w one of a s small population . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} No , no ,Project Manager: Mm .Marketing:you {disfmarker} Kate , you're exactly right there . {vocalsound} But I think the key is to get the early adopters , people who are familiar with technology andand uh they'll be {disfmarker}Project Manager: But we're not looking at whether they're early adopters on that screen ,Marketing: Uh , mm .Project Manager:that's looking at age groups .Marketing: Exactly . I {vocalsound} yes , and I'm making and I'm making the the uh uh leap that people who are familiar{disfmarker} younger people are l are more familiar with technology than than older people . Or comfortable ,Project Manager: Leap . {vocalsound} Hmm . Mm.Marketing: you know , um so {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay , you had the other power channel .Marketing: I think the most important thing is an attractivestreamlined remote control and to be extraordinarily reductionist , power , channel , volume and everything else is is uh up to the designers . {vocalsound} Andthis is this is also supported by the market research .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound} Thank you . That's my contribution .Project Manager:Alright . And we'll turn to the next presentation . I think she said we don't need to screw it in , just stick it in . And then press , what ? F F_N_ and F_ eight . Nextto the control button on the bottom , and then F_ eight at the top .User Interface: Yeah , press them .Project Manager: And then w be patient . {vocalsound}UserInterface: Yeah , here we go .Project Manager: Tada .Industrial Designer: And if you want it to go into slide show mode , it's that little button there .User"}
{"doc_id":"doc_98","qid":"","text":"Postdoc B: Alright .Professor C: So , uh {disfmarker}Grad F: Um , so I wanted to discuss digits briefly , but that won't take too long .Professor C: Oh good . Right. OK , agenda items , Uh , we have digits , What else we got ?PhD A: New version of the presegmentation .Professor C: New version of presegmentation .PostdocB: Um , do we wanna say something about the , an update of the , uh , transcript ?PhD G: Yeah , why don't you summarize the {disfmarker}Professor C: Updateon transcripts .PhD G: And I guess that includes some {disfmarker} the filtering for the , the ASI refs , too .Postdoc B: Mmm .Professor C: Filtering for what ?PhDG: For the references that we need to go from the {disfmarker} the {pause} fancy transcripts to the sort of {nonvocalsound} brain - dead .Postdoc B: It 'll{disfmarker} it 'll be {disfmarker} basically it 'll be a re - cap of a meeting that we had jointly this morning .Professor C: Uh - huh .PhD G: With Don , as well.Postdoc B: Mm - hmm .Professor C: Got it . Anything else more pressing than those things ? So {disfmarker} So , why don't we just do those . You said yourswas brief , so {disfmarker}Grad F: OK . OK well , the , w uh as you can see from the numbers on the digits we 're almost done . The digits goes up to {pause}about four thousand . Um , and so , uh , we probably will be done with the TI - digits in , um , another couple weeks . um , depending on how many we read eachtime . So there were a bunch that we skipped . You know , someone fills out the form and then they 're not at the meeting and so it 's blank . Um , but those arealmost all filled in as well . And so , once we 're {disfmarker} it 's done it would be very nice to train up a recognizer and actually start working with this data .PhDD: So we 'll have a corpus that 's the size of TI - digits ?Grad F: And so {disfmarker} One particular test set of TI - digits .PhD D: Test set , OK .Grad F: So , I{disfmarker} I extracted , Ther - there was a file sitting around which people have used here as a test set . It had been randomized and so onPhD D: Grad F: andthat 's just what I used to generate the order . of these particular ones .PhD D: Oh ! Great . Great .Professor C: So , I 'm impressed by what we could do , Is takethe standard training set for TI - digits , train up with whatever , you know , great features we think we have , uh for instance , and then test on uh this test set.Grad F: Um {disfmarker}Professor C: And presumably uh it should do reasonably well on that , and then , presumably , we should go to the distant mike , and itshould do poorly .PhD D: Yeah .Professor C: And then we should get really smart over the next year or two , and it {disfmarker} that should get better .Grad F:Right . And inc increase it by one or two percent , yeah .Professor C: Yeah , {vocalsound} Yeah .Grad F: Um , but , in order to do that we need to extract out theactual digits .Professor C: Right .Grad F: Um , so that {disfmarker} the reason it 's not just a transcript is that there 're false starts , and misreads , and miscuesand things like that . And so I have a set of scripts and X Waves where you just select the portion , hit R , um , it tells you what the next one should be , and youjust look for that . You know , so it {disfmarker} it 'll put on the screen , \" The next set is six nine , nine two two \" . And you find that , and , hit the key and itrecords it in a file in a particular format .Professor C: So is this {disfmarker}Grad F: And so the {disfmarker} the question is , should we have the transcribers dothat or should we just do it ? Well , some of us . I 've been do I 've done , eight meetings , something like that , just by hand . Just myself , rather . So it will nottake long . Um {disfmarker}Professor C: Uh , what {disfmarker} what do you think ?Postdoc B: My feeling is that we discussed this right before coffee and I thinkit 's a {disfmarker} it 's a fine idea partly because , um , it 's not un unrelated to their present skill set , but it will add , for them , an extra dimension , it might bean interesting break for them . And also it is contributing to the , uh , c composition of the transcript cuz we can incorporate those numbers directly and it 'll be amore complete transcript . So I 'm {disfmarker} I think it 's fine , that part .Grad F: There is {disfmarker} there is {disfmarker}Professor C: So you think it 's fineto have the transcribers do it ?Postdoc B: Mm - hmm .Professor C: Yeah , OK .Grad F: There 's one other small bit , which is just entering the information which ats which is at the top of this form , onto the computer , to go along with the {disfmarker} where the digits are recorded automatically .PhD D: Good .Professor C:Yeah .Grad F: And so it 's just , you know , typing in name , times {disfmarker} time , date , and so on . Um , which again either they can do , but it is , you know, firing up an editor , or , again , I can do . Or someone else can do .Postdoc B: And , that , you know , I 'm not , that {disfmarker} that one I 'm not so sure if it's into the {disfmarker} the , things that , I , wanted to use the hours for , because the , the time that they 'd be spending doing that they wouldn't be able to beputting more words on .Professor C: Mmm .Postdoc B: But that 's really your choice , it 's your {disfmarker}PhD D: So are these two separate tasks that canhappen ? Or do they have to happen at the same time before {disfmarker}Grad F: No they don't have {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} you have to enter the databefore , you do the second task , but they don't have to happen at the same time .PhD D: OK .Grad F: So it 's {disfmarker} it 's just I have a file whi which hasthis information on it , and then when you start using my scripts , for extracting the times , it adds the times at the bottom of the file . And so , um , I mean , it 'seasy to create the files and leave them blank , and so actually we could do it in either order .PhD D: Oh , OK .Grad F: Um , it 's {disfmarker} it 's sort of nice tohave the same person do it just as a double - check , to make sure you 're entering for the right person . But , either way .Professor C: Yeah . Yeah just by way ofuh , uh , a uh , order of magnitude , uh , um , we 've been working with this Aurora , uh data set . And , uh , the best score , on the , nicest part of the data , thatis , where you 've got training and test set that are basically the same kinds of noise and so forth , uh , is about , uh {disfmarker} I think the best score wassomething like five percent , uh , error , per digit .PhD A: Per digit .Professor C: So , that {disfmarker}Grad F: Per digit .Professor C: You 're right . So if you weredoing {pause} ten digit , uh , recognition , {vocalsound} you would really be in trouble . So {disfmarker} So the {disfmarker} The point there , and this is uh carnoise uh , uh things , but {disfmarker} but real {disfmarker} real situation ,PhD D: Mm - hmm .Professor C: well , \" real \" , Um , the {disfmarker} uh there 's onemicrophone that 's close , that they have as {disfmarker} as this sort of thing , close versus distant . Uh but in a car , instead of {disfmarker} instead of having aprojector noise it 's {disfmarker} it 's car noise . Uh but it wasn't artificially added to get some {disfmarker} some artificial signal - to - noise ratio . It was justpeople driving around in a car . So , that 's {disfmarker} that 's an indication , uh that was with , many sites competing , and this was the very best score and soforth , so . More typical numbers likePhD D: Although the models weren't , that good , right ? I mean , the models are pretty crappy ?Professor C: You 're right . Ithink that we could have done better on the models , but the thing is that we got {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} this is the kind of typical number , for all of the ,uh , uh , things in this task , all of the , um , languages . And so I {disfmarker} I think we 'd probably {disfmarker} the models would be better in some than inothers . Um , so , uh . Anyway , just an indication once you get into this kind of realm even if you 're looking at connected digits it can be pretty hard .PhD D:Hmm .Postdoc B: Hmm . It 's gonna be fun to see how we , compare at this . Very exciting . s @ @ .Professor C: Yeah .PhD D: How did we do on the TI - digits?Grad F: Well the prosodics are so much different s it 's gonna be , strange . I mean the prosodics are not the same as TI - digits , for example .Professor C: Yeah.Grad F: So I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm not sure how much of effect that will have .PhD D: H how do {disfmarker}PhD G: What do you mean , the prosodics ?Grad F:Um , just what we were talking about with grouping . That with these , the grouping , there 's no grouping at all , and so it 's just {disfmarker} the only sort ofdiscontinuity you have is at the beginning and the end .PhD G: So what are they doing in Aurora , are they reading actual phone numbers ,Grad F: Aurora I don'tknow . I don't know what they do in Aurora .PhD G: or , a {disfmarker} a digit at a time , or {disfmarker} ?Professor C: Uh , I 'm not sure how {disfmarker}PhDG: Cuz it 's {disfmarker}Professor C: no , no I mean it 's connected {disfmarker} it 's connected , uh , digits ,PhD G: Connected .Professor C: yeah . But .Grad F:But {disfmarker} Right .PhD G: So there 's also the {disfmarker} not just the prosody but the cross {disfmarker} the cross - word modeling is probably quitedifferent .PhD D: H HowGrad F: But in TI - digits , they 're reading things like zip codes and phone numbers and things like that ,PhD G: Right .PhD D: do we doon TI - digits ?Grad F: so it 's gonna be different . I don't remember . I mean , very good , right ?Professor C: Yeah , I mean we were in the .Grad F: One and ahalf percent , two percent , something like that ?Professor C: Uh , I th no I think we got under a percent , but it was {disfmarker} but it 's {disfmarker} but Imean . The very best system that I saw in the literature was a point two five percent or something that somebody had at {disfmarker} at Bell Labs , or . Uh , but. But , uh , sort of pulling out all the stops .Grad F: Oh really ?Postdoc B: s @ @ . It s strikes me that there are more {disfmarker} each of them is moreinformative because it 's so , random ,Grad F: OK . Alright .PhD D: Hmm .Professor C: But I think a lot of systems sort of get half a percent , or three - quarters apercent ,Grad F: Right .Professor C: and we 're {disfmarker} we 're in there somewhere .Grad F: But that {disfmarker} I mean it 's really {disfmarker} it 's{disfmarker} it 's close - talking mikes , no noise , clean signal , just digits , I mean , every everything is good .Professor C: Yeah .PhD G: It 's the beginning oftime in speech recognition .Grad F: Yes , exactly .Professor C: Yeah .Grad F: And we 've only recently got it to anywhere near human .PhD G: It 's like the , singlecell , you know , it 's the beginning of life ,PhD D: Pre - prehistory .PhD G: yeah .Grad F: And it 's still like an order of magnitude worse than what humans do.PhD G: Right .Professor C: Yeah .Grad F: So .Professor C: When {disfmarker} When they 're wide awake , yeah . Um ,Grad F: Yeah . After coffee .Professor C:after coffee , you 're right . Not after lunch .Grad F: OK , so , um , what I 'll do then is I 'll go ahead and enter , this data . And then , hand off to Jane , and thetranscribers to do the actual extraction of the digits .Professor C: Yeah . Yeah . One question I have that {disfmarker} that I mean , we wouldn't know the answerto now but might , do some guessing , but I was talking before about doing some model modeling of arti uh , uh , marking of articulatory , features , with overlapand so on .Grad F: Hmm .Professor C: And , and , um , On some subset . One thought might be to do this uh , on {disfmarker} on the digits , or some piece of"}
{"doc_id":"doc_99","qid":"","text":"Grad D: And we already got the crash out of the way . It did crash , so I feel much better , earlier .Professor F:  Yeah .Postdoc E: Interesting . Hmm .Professor F:Will you get the door , and {disfmarker} ? Grad D: OK , so um .Professor F: OK . You collected an agenda , huh ?Grad D: I did collect an agenda . So I 'm gonnago first . Mwa - ha - ha ! It shouldn't take too long .Postdoc E: Yeah .Grad D: Um , so we 're pretty much out of digits . We 've gone once through the set . Um ,so the only thing I have to doProfessor F: No there 's only ten .Grad D: Yeah , that 's right . so I {disfmarker} I just have to go through themProfessor F: Well ,OK .Grad D: and uh pick out the ones that have problems , and either correct them or have them re - read . So we probably have like four or five more forms tobe read , to be once through the set . I 've also extracted out about an hour 's worth . We have about two hours worth . I extracted out about an hour 's worthwhich are the f digits with {disfmarker} for which whose speaker have speaker forms , have filled out speaker forms . Not everyone 's filled out a speaker form .So I extracted one for speakers who have speaker forms and for meetings in which the \" key \" file and the transcript files are parsable . Some of the early keyfiles , it looks like , were done by hand , and so they 're not automatically parsable and I have to go back and fix those . So what that means is we have about anhour of transcribed digits that we can play with . Um , Liz {disfmarker}Professor F: So you think two {disfmarker} you think two hours is the {disfmarker} is thetotal that we have ?Grad D: Yep , yeah .Professor F: And you think we th uh , I {disfmarker} I didn't quite catch all these different things that are not quite right ,but you think we 'll be able to retrieve the other hour , reasonably ?Grad D: Yes , absolutely .Professor F: OK .Grad D: So it 's just a question of a little hand -editing of some files and then waiting for more people to turn in their speaker forms . I have this web - based speaker form , and I sent mail to everyone whohadn't filled out a speaker form , and they 're slowly s trickling in .Professor F: So the relevance of the speaker form here , sGrad D: It 's for labeling the extractedaudio files .Professor F: Oh , OK .Grad D: By speaker ID and microphone type .Professor F: Wasn't like whether they were giving us permission to use their digitsor something .Grad D: No , I spoke with Jane about that and we sort of decided that it 's probably not an issue that {disfmarker} We edit out any of the errorsanyway . Right ? So the there are no errors in the digits ,Professor F: Yeah .Grad D: you 'll always read the string correctly . So I can't imagine why anyone wouldcare . So the other topic with digits is uh , Liz would like to elicit different prosodics , and so we tried last week with them written out in English . And it just didn'twork at all because no one grouped them together . So it just sounded like many many more lines instead of anything else . So in conversations with Liz and uhJane we decided that if you wrote them out as numbers instead of words it would elicit more phone number , social security number - like readings . The problemwith that is it becomes numbers instead of digits . When I look at this , that first line is \" sixty one , sixty two , eighteen , eighty six , ten . \" Um , and so thequestion is does anyone care ? Um , I 've already spoken with Liz and she feels that , correct me if I 'm wrong , that for her , connected numbers is fine ,PostdocE: Mm - hmm .Grad D: as opposed to connected digits . Um , I think two hours is probably fine for a test set , but it may be a little short if we actually wanna dotraining and adaptation and all that other stuff .Professor F: Yeah Um , do um you want different prosodics , so if you always had the same groupings youwouldn't like that ? Is that correct ?PhD G: Well , we actually figured out a way to {disfmarker}Grad D: Yeah , the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker}PhD G: the{disfmarker} the groupings are randomly generated .Professor F: No but , I was asking if that was something you really cared about because if it wasn't , itseems to me if you made it really specifically telephone groupings that maybe people wouldn't , uh , go and do numbers so much . You know if it if it 's{disfmarker}PhD A: Uh {disfmarker}PhD G: I think they may still do it , um ,Professor F: Maybe some , but I probably not so much .PhD B: What about putting ahyphen between the numbers in the group ?PhD G: And {disfmarker}Professor F: Right ? So if you {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if you have uhGrad D: Six dashone , you mean ?Professor F: if you go six six six uh dash uh two nine three one .PhD G: I {disfmarker} well OK {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} it might help , Iwould like to g get away from having only one specific grouping .Professor F: That 's what I was asking , yeah .PhD G: Um , so if that 's your question ,ProfessorF: Yeah .PhD G: but I mean it seems to me that , at least for us , we can learn to read them as digitsPostdoc E: Yeah .PhD G: if that 's what people want . I{disfmarker} I 'mPostdoc E: Yeah .PhD G: don't think that 'd be that hard to read them as single digits .Postdoc E: I agree .PhD G: Um , and it seems like thatmight be better for you guys since then you 'll have just more digit data ,Grad D: Right .PhD G: and that 's always a good thing .Grad D: Yep .PhD G: It 's a littlebit better for me too because the digits are easier to recognize . They 're better trained than the numbers .Grad D: So we could just , uh , put in the instructions \"read them as digits \" .Professor F: Right .PhD G: Right . Right , read them as single digits , so sixty - one w is read as six one ,Postdoc E: Mm - hmm .PhD G: andif people make a mistake we {disfmarker}Grad D: How about \" O \" versus \" zero \" ?Professor F: I mean , the other thing is we could just bag it because it 's{disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's - I 'm not worrying about it I mean , because we do have digits training data that we have from uh from OGI . I 'm sorry ,digits {disfmarker} numbers training that we have from OGI , we 've done lots and lots of studies with that . And um .PhD G: But it 's nice to get it in this roomwith the acousProfessor F: Yeah .PhD G: I mean {disfmarker} for {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker}Professor F: No , no , I guess what I 'm saying is thatGrad D:Just let them read it how they read it .Professor F: to some extent maybe we could just read them {disfmarker} have them read how {disfmarker} how they readit and it just means that we have to expand our {disfmarker} our vocabulary out to stuff that we already have .PhD G: Right . Well that 's fine with me as long as{disfmarker} It 's just that I didn't want to cause the people who would have been collecting digits the other way to not have the digits .Professor F: Yeah . Wecan go back to the other thing later .PhD G: So {disfmarker}Professor F: I mean we s we {disfmarker} we 've {disfmarker} We can do this for awhilePhD G: OK.Professor F: and then go back to digits for awhile , or um . Do yo I mean , do you want {disfmarker} do you want this {disfmarker} Do you need training data oradaptation data out of this ?PhD G: OK .Professor F: How much of this do you need ? with uh the {disfmarker}PhD G: It 's actually unclear right now . I justthought well we 're {disfmarker} if we 're collec collecting digits , and Adam had said we were running out of the TI forms , I thought it 'd be nice to have them ingroups , and probably , all else being equal , it 'd be better for me to just have single digitsProfessor F: OK .PhD G: since it 's , you know , a recognizer 's gonnado better on those anyway , um , and it 's more predictable . So we can know from the transcript what the person said and the transcriber , in general .ProfessorF: OK , well if you prePhD G: But if they make mistakes , it 's no big deal if the people say a hundred instead of \" one OO \" . and also w maybe we can just letthem choose \" zero \" versus \" O \" as they {disfmarker} as they like because even the same person c sometimes says \" O \" and sometimes says \" zero \" indifferent context ,Professor F: Yeah .PhD G: and that 's sort of interesting . So I don't have a Specific need cuz if I did I 'd probably try to collect it , you know ,without bothering this group , but If we can try it {disfmarker}Grad D: OK so {disfmarker} so I can just add to the instructions to read it as digits not asconnected numbers .Postdoc E: Mm - hmm .PhD G: Right , and you can give an example like , you know , \" six {disfmarker} sixty - one would be read as six one\" .Grad D: Right .Postdoc E: Mm - hmm . And i actually it 's no more artificial than what we 've been doing with words .PhD G: And I think people will get it.Postdoc E: I 'm sure people can adapt to this , read it single .PhD G: Right , right .Postdoc E: The spaces already bias it toward being separated .PhD G: It 's justeasier to read .Postdoc E: And I know I 'm gonna find this easier than words .PhD G: Right .Grad D: Oh yeah , absolutely , cognitively it 's much easier .PhD G:OK I also had a hard {disfmarker} hard time with the words ,Professor F: Yeah .PhD G: but then we went back and forth on that . OK , so let 's give that atryGrad D: OK . And is the spacing alright or do you think there should be more space between digits and groups ?Professor F: OK .PhD G: and {disfmarker}GradD: Or is that alright ?PhD G: I mean what do other people think cuz you guys are reading {comment} them .Postdoc E: I think that i it 's fine .Grad D: OK.Postdoc E: I it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} to me it looks like you 've got the func the idea of grouping and you have the grou the idea of separationPhD G: OK.Postdoc E: and , you know , it 's just a matter of u i the instructions , that 's all .PhD G: Great . OK .Grad D: And I think there are about ten different goupingpatternsProfessor F: Let 's try it .PhD G: Well let 's give it a try .Grad D: isn't that right , Liz ? That we did .PhD G: Righ - right , and you just {disfmarker} they're randomly {nonvocalsound} generated and randomly assigned to digits .Postdoc E: I did {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .Professor F: So we have{disfmarker}Postdoc E: Go ahead .Professor F: Sorry , I {disfmarker} I was just gonna say , so we have in the vicinity of forty hours of {disfmarker} ofrecordings now . And you 're saying two hours , uh , is digits , so that 's roughly the ratio then ,Grad D: Yep .Professor F: something like twenty {disfmarker}twenty to one . Which I guess makes {disfmarker} makes sense . So if we did another forty hours of recordings then we could get another couple hours of this.Grad D: Right .Professor F: Um , yeah like you say , I think a couple hours for a {disfmarker} for a {disfmarker} for a test {disfmarker} test set 's OK . It 'd benice to get , you know , more later because we 'll {disfmarker} we might use {disfmarker} use this up , uh , in some sense ,Postdoc E: Mm - hmm .Grad D: Right.Professor F: but {disfmarker} but uh {disfmarker}Postdoc E: Yeah , I also would like to argue for that cuz it {disfmarker} it seems to me that , um , there 's areal strength in having the same test replicated in {disfmarker} a whole bunch of times and adding to that basic test bank .Grad D: Right .Postdoc E: Hmm ? Cuzthen you have , you know , more and more , u chances to get away from random errors . And I think , um , the other thing too is that right now we have sort of astratified sample with reference to dialect groups , and it might be {disfmarker} there might be an argument to be made for having uh f for replicating all of the"}
{"doc_id":"doc_100","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Hi Kate . {vocalsound} Okay , carry on .Industrial Designer: Just just carry on . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Alright um this isthe beginning of the third meeting , the conceptual design meeting . Um our agenda should be um that we're opening the meeting , I have {disfmarker} theminutes from the previous meeting are on the shared f drive at this point . Um and we should each have a presentation to make . Um we have certain decisionsto make and we have forty minutes total . It's twenty five after two at the moment , so forty minutes is five after three , {vocalsound} um which I'll be keepingan eye on the clock for us . Okay . {vocalsound} Um there are the decisions we have to turn to , but we'll come back to them in a minute after I take us to theminutes of the previous meeting . Right um as we remember , I opened the meeting , the four of us were present , the meeting {disfmarker} the first meeting'sminutes were reviewed and approved . Um Sarah , you presented a marketing research report um which pretty much rep represented that fifteen to thirty fiveyear olds uh it has to be hand-held , power , channel , volume , number keys , possibly a speech recognition . And then Steph did a second presentation um thatthose functions plus streamlining them with big user-friendly keys that were easy to use . I think all of us agreed with those things . Kate presented a workingdesign of {disfmarker} going after {disfmarker} going over the basics on the whiteboard um that it should be a simple mass-produced device , because of thetwelve and a half Pence cost . Um but we did talk about possibly using rechargeable batteries and having a docking place as a selling point . Um and the newrequirements that it for {disfmarker} be for T_V_ only um and that it include the l so slogan and colour of the uh corporate design be included . Um {vocalsound}the corporate image . So we agreed that the target market would be fifteen to thirty five with more money than sense , that were decision makers . Alternativelyit would be a manufacturer to enclose it with the T_V_ , but it still should meet those parameters . Um and that the function we agreed was volume , power ,numbers , enter , channels , a way to move between channels , easy to use and hand-held . {vocalsound} Um at that point we agreed that Sarah would look atthe current cost of competition , what what do the current ones sell for . Um and Steph was gonna look at ec ergonomics . Kate was gonna look at cost andfeasibility of the various possibilities that we discussed . And I was to type up these minutes and work on the final report . Is this a fair presentation of what ourlast meeting was ?User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Yes .Project Manager: Okay . Right . So we're ready to close that and goback to our {disfmarker} That one . Right . We're up to the point of the {disfmarker} Go back . Um {vocalsound} the three presentations . So we're going to pullthe plug on me and turn to Sarah . Is that okay ? Is that alright with everybody else ?Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}User Interface: Yep .ProjectManager: Especially since Kate asked to be last . {vocalsound} Sarah , I'm sorry if I misspelled your name , I didn't know whether it was S_A_R_A_ or{vocalsound} S_A_R_H_ .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I respond to either .Project Manager: You respond to whatever you get , huh ?{vocalsound}Marketing: No worries .Project Manager: Okay . Um , did you do your {disfmarker} Hit {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah , {gap}Project Manager:Ah , there it is . Ta-da .Marketing: Okay , first thing I want to address is um one of the points that Florence brought up , which was uh current cost of thecompetition devices , similar to the ones that Stephanie uh showed us and and they're uh twenty to sixty Euros , depending on uh branding .User Interface: Right.Marketing: Some of them that have a higher brand recognition are on the more expensive end . But I think that with the current um price that we're searchingfor , we're well within , even on the lower end , of the uh of the market .Project Manager: Mm 'kay .Marketing: But I'm going to move on to more interesting um{vocalsound} more vibrant things . {vocalsound} So , I investigated the remote control market in greater detail , and my uh {disfmarker} the theme of what Iwas to work on was uh trend watch .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: And {vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay .User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Sorry . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'm glad to see the marketing budget is being so well spent on {vocalsound} {gap} . {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} I know that you all are a distance from cutting edge marketing research ,IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Marketing: so you know , I'm just gonna try to cloak it in really professional terms here . What's hot , fruit and veg . Spongy .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: And this is all over the catwalks , Paris , Milan , and I'm talking about clothing , furniture , shoes. {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: This is really interesting change from past years ,Project Manager: Mm .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: because it is much more organic , um some would say approachable . {vocalsound} And I think if we're to refashion our view of what wewant in a remote control , we should perhaps think about incorporating technologically interesting fabrics and some of the bold colours into a simple handset . So. {vocalsound} I also did a little research on um {vocalsound} what again are the most important priorities in uh decision making about uh purchasing . Fancy .Functional is out . And f the fancy , and that's exactly the term , I'm I'm thinking polished , elegant , {vocalsound} you know , kind of innovative , but a cut above. This is twice as important as the next finding , which is technologically innovative . This is interesting , 'cause I think in the last meeting we were talking abouttechnology as being so important , but maybe what's innovative is having it simple with um with uh technologically {vocalsound} superior fabrics or uh , youknow , designed in interesting substances . Ease of use . Again , pretty low , I mean it's the top three , but each of the uh fancy and technologically innovative arefar more important . So I think we should cloak the streamlined remote control device in a series of {vocalsound} fruit {vocalsound} fruit themed sleeves .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I think that's a good idea . Don't you ? {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Y yeah ,you know {disfmarker}Project Manager: It sounds like the the uh covers that they use for the remote , you know , your t your cell phone .User Interface: Yes.Marketing: Exactly . {vocalsound} Exactly . I was thinking though that instead of having something uh like patterned , you know , so , you know , somethingsimilar to a summer dress . {gap} you know , it would have like fruit and veg , is that we actually make these spongy .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: Theycould be {disfmarker} ini initially I thought we could start with kind of um fruit that would suit kind of uh a long uh hand-held , so banana , pineapple and pear .Um it could actually {disfmarker} the sleeve could {vocalsound} take up a lot of the {vocalsound} development and the remote control , we'd just need to getreductionist on it . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: They could be interchangeable , they're spongy , that goes back toergonomic , and the youngsters love 'em , fun for the whole family , everyone can have their own . So what we're talking about is changing . this concept .Everyone has a T_V_ remote , but then we add in the fact that they could each have their own individual fruit .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} That's what's hot on the catwalks . {vocalsound} So , this is my {disfmarker} This is what I'm thinking .Project Manager: Hmm .User Interface:{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh-huh mm . In most families , don't {disfmarker} isn't the remote {disfmarker} is a remote .Marketing: Y yeah ,but I think I think what this would allow is perhaps a person in the family who had the most opinion about it {disfmarker} we all need a remote ,Project Manager:Mm .Marketing: but the person who is really perhaps active in personalising , I'm thinking the teenager , the {disfmarker} someone fifteen to thirty five would goout and get this additional thing the same way as you mentioned that people would get the cell phone covers .User Interface: {vocalsound} So when your dad'ssitting there , overriding your decision , going no we're gonna watch this , you can bring out your own remote and be like zap , no we're gonna watch this.Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah . W and {vocalsound} plus I think {disfmarker}Project Manager: Mm . Well actually some households do have three and fourT_V_sMarketing: {vocalsound} Uh yeah .User Interface: {gap}Project Manager: and they would have a remote for each one ,Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager:so .Marketing: Yeah . So this is an idea and I I {disfmarker} you know , this is exactly what the research has uh has shown . So I really open this up to uh anyother feedback . This {vocalsound} spongy fruit and veg .Industrial Designer: Yeah , I I think we're gonna have some trouble when we get down to thecomponent design on this .Marketing: Thanks . {vocalsound} Alright .Project Manager: Hmm .Industrial Designer: Spongy is gonna be difficult , I'm afraid .UserInterface: Yep . {vocalsound} And as for as for um well budgeting as well , if we're gonna have lots of different interchangeable components .Project Manager:Hmm . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} I I just have my ear to the market , guys . {gap} {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} Is this {gap} to themarket {gap} ?Industrial Designer: Yeah , I mean basically we can make these things out of wood , titanium , plastic or rubber . I suppose rubber is the closestto spongy ,Marketing: Is spongiest , yeah .Industrial Designer: yeah .Marketing: That would add {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: I was thinking titanium myself.User Interface: I was thinking titanium , I was thinking it's just {disfmarker} I have been influenced by pictures of iPods , and they're also minimalist and shiny.Marketing: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} They are and they they would fulfil the uh first um priority , which is fancy . I think many of us would associate those withfancy . Something else we could do is uh call it something that's fruit and veg oriented . We could call it uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} The name .ProjectManager: Are we talking about the device itself or the c or a cover for the device that would be an interchangeable cov cover as a separate product ?Marketing:{vocalsound} Well it would be uh a a very simple product that would have a spongy sleeve that would be interchangeable . So {disfmarker}Project Manager:Perhaps perhaps that desi that particular suggestion needs to go back to managementUser Interface: Yeah , but it's kind of pointless , isn't it ?Project Manager:"}
{"doc_id":"doc_101","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: That should hopefully do the trick , um . 'Kay . Sorry about the small delay . Falling a little bit behind schedule . And that's uh fifteen twenty five. Okay . So just to try and roughly go over what we agreed in the last one , um we're gonna go for something uh uh how was it ? Uh The new black , I believe.Marketing: {gap} .Project Manager: Um something that looks good 'cause that seems to be in preference to actual functionality in the end , though we shouldnever avoid functionality , of course . Uh many of our components are gonna be standard , off the shelf , but it seemed like we were gonna require at least anadvanced chip and we were still very much for the idea of using an L_C_D_ display . Um other things were we were hoping to use rubber , most likely gonna bedouble curved , etcetera . Okay . So um due to your hard work , we might as well let the uh two designers go first , and uh show us the prototype .User Interface:Okay , it's a {disfmarker}Project Manager: Quite how the best way to do this is , I'm not sure ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {gap} I think ifwe both step upProject Manager: but {disfmarker}User Interface: and uh outline our ideas . Okay . Now do {disfmarker} uh doing the prototype gave us a bitmore insight into the ergonomics of the design . Um for one thing , it turned out that the only point at which it needs to be articulated for handedness is um is h iis down here for the uh L_E_D_ . As it turned out , the whole thing transfers from the right to left hand fairly well from the point of view of operating the uhfunction buttons and joystick , though it might be an idea to be able to a adjust the positions for the base of the joystick just a little bit for uh {disfmarker}ProjectManager: Okay .User Interface: {gap} ju just a thought . You could simply have a slightly ovoid shaped joystick that could then just be turn uh twisted round , sothat the uh sticky uh so that the bit that sticks out a bit more is on one side or the other . But as you as you see with the uh {vocalsound} with holding it in theleft hand , the L_ uh the L_C_D_ is nowhere useful , so that would need to be articulated uh if we're going to retain {gap} ergonomic design . Um now I I gotyour note about uh keeping the cost down .Project Manager: I'm afraid yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: We'll go into that a bit more ,User Interface:{gap} this design could be done with um with uh plastic casing .Project Manager: but please go on .User Interface: Though I would recommend around the grippart here in the middle , having maybe just a rubber grip over that which would allow for a slightly more sort of bio-morphic form , and a bit more ergonomic aswell . As for the um as for the single curve , um well this edge and this edge , like I say it would be nice to have some curvature to it , but it's not absolutelynecessary . Really the curve that's most needed is the underside so that the jo so that the joystick rests over the the edge of the hand like this . Um and you havethe uh transmitter here and a wee speaker for the uh for the uh for the uh fi uh for the remote control finder . So .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface:Any further comments ?Industrial Designer: Um obviously it's gonna be bulkier than how it looks , because it's gonna be flat on one side , so the L_C_D_ will be ssticking down like this , won't it ?User Interface: Mm-hmm . Yeah .Industrial Designer: 'Cause it {disfmarker} you can't get it curved .User Interface: Yeah , Imean theIndustrial Designer: Uh because of costs .User Interface: uh {disfmarker} Yeah .Industrial Designer: And it's plastic as well , so it won't be ascomfortable on the hand .User Interface: Yeah . I mean with the with the rubber design it could i you know it could pretty much mould very much to the to theuser's hand .Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: One nice wee feature if we could if we could still do the rubber , I though of was to have {gap} the uh rubberextend beyond the end of the uh {vocalsound} of the rigid substructure . So it has a wee sort of tail that you just drape over your wrist so it stays in positionnicely .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Mm . Lovely . Um .Industrial Designer: Yeah , {gap} . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay , yeah . Great .Um .Marketing: Right . Yeah I've got a {disfmarker} if you load up my evaluation document .Project Manager: Yeah , okay {gap} .User Interface: Okay .ProjectManager: Excellent work .Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: Um .Marketing: Uh evaluation . {vocalsound} Basic point uh have a list of criteria that we need torate the prototype by . {vocalsound} Um then we will {disfmarker} it's a seven s um seven seven step kinda evaluation process . So um not seven steps , sevenscale . So after we've finished doing all the ratings for each criteria , we average that and that will give us some type of uh confidence in our prototype . And uhthe criteria {gap} based on Real Reactions' kinda goals and policies , marketing strategies , and also those I put together from the user requirements phase . 'Kay. Um if you flip the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So , those are the criteria . And uh perhaps I could have put 'em a bit better , but you notice a few things thatwe've totally abandoned , which means {vocalsound} that uh the product will score very badly on some of those points .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Put it mildly . So we have um true ? One , t Seven , eight , oh . Fourth . Okay , so we have to go through each point . If weimagine it's actually straight , and just give it a a score . So um how well would you say the prototype is uh how well have we realised the dream of being able tostop remotes from from being lost , or to be able to find them once they are lost . I mean , uh is the homing thing still {disfmarker} the locator , is that still{disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah , that's still part of the design .Marketing: Sure . And Adam , we can keep that in ?Project Manager: Yeah , I believe so . So Imean I don't think anybody could actually stop a remote being lost ,Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: 'cause that would mean doing something about thehuman element ,Marketing: {vocalsound} Sure .Project Manager: but I'd like to think that we've done something about finding the damn thing once we have.Marketing: TUser Interface: Mm . Mm . And making it a bright colour helpsMarketing: Sure .User Interface: with the {disfmarker} personally I would have gonefor purple {gap} . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm . Bright colour . So we still have that noise thing , yeah ?User Interface: Mm-hmm.Marketing: Os on a scale of one to seven , how would you guys rate it for finding {gap} finding it once it's lost ?User Interface: I'd say number one .Marketing:Number one ?Industrial Designer: One . Yeah . {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay . Number number one for the first criteria .User Interface: I think w if it was justthe sounder then th {gap} I mean something I've found with uh w w with say tr trying to find uh a cordless phone or a m mobile , you can hear it , but you can'tquite pin it dow pin down where it is .Marketing: Yeah you can tell what room the mobile is {disfmarker}User Interface: BuIndustrial Designer: What about{disfmarker} what if the the volume on the T_V_'s turned up massively and uh you just wanna turn down the volume {gap} can't find remote . Suppose youhave to go to the T_V_ and do it manually . Mm .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Mm . UmMarketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Like yyou wouldn't hear the speaker {gap} .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: just before we go through all of the steps here , um well what we'll do isMarketing:You wanna say something ?Project Manager: um if we can look at the criteria you're gonna evaluate , and then we'll come back to the product evaluation if that'salright .Marketing: That's fine .Project Manager: Yeah , is that {disfmarker}Marketing: Oh that's that's fine .Project Manager: Um so is there anything here thatyou that you wanted to cover as in the criteria that you've covered ? And then we'll come back pretty much promptly to this .Marketing: What do you mean cr isthere anything I wanna {disfmarker}Project Manager: I is there any of these criteria that need any explaining ? Or is there anything that yous thought tha reallywould stand out compared to the others ?Marketing: Um , a few . {vocalsound} Something I neglected from my initial research is that Real Reactions has a a goalstrategy that all of the products be inspired by material fashion , and clothing fashion . That is why fruit and veg being popular in the home and in clothing wasimportant and they want all their products to be somehow inspired by current trends in fashion . So they say we put the fashion in electronics , well they reallymean it they they're very big on fashion ,Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: so . That's this bit right here . And uh this bit is this one easy to use for visitors or foranybody ? I guess it's just the same as saying easy to use interface , so it's kinda condensed into one . And we can come back to it , you said .Project Manager:Okay .Marketing: So .Project Manager: No and which we will do very very shortly . Um . Okay . Slight problem we had was that we have an amazing four Eurosover budget for what we were hoping to do . Um most of it stems from the use of the L_C_D_ which I think in the end accounted for about half of our expenditurebecause of course we required a chip as well . Um the only way to get this down was either to ditch the a L_C_D_ , at which point we've removed a large part ofhow we were gonna interface , {gap} require more buttons , etcetera . Or what we did was that we um we as in I as I was quickly going over it was altering theactual structure . Um changing it to plastic and a solid unit with a single curve design would allow us to come back into the um proposed costs and we're justscraping it in , we've got point two of a Euro left over there . So we're just managing it really . Even then as well , um there was no criteria technically defined fora joystick so I've used what I think's appropriate . With any luck that won't mean that we've incurred more cost than we can actually afford to . It blows a lot ofour really good ideas kind of slightly to one side , for example the possibility of having a U_S_B_ connection is definitely not viable now . Um .Marketing: Differentlanguages ?Project Manager: That should still be viable . We've got an advanced chip , we've got the use of the L_C_D_ . So being able to communicate inmultiple languages is still very much a possibility .Marketing: Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um but what's something we need to decide on is how we'regonna go from here . {vocalsound} We do need to try and come up with an idea which could be continued with other people if need be . Um . We can I can bringthe excel up sheet up and uh show you if you wish um . I really think as m much as it pains me is that we might have to go with plastic and some kind of soliddesign , possibly meaning that the L_C_D_ wouldn't be in this perfect place . It might be s stuck like slightly between what would be good for left handed andwhat would be good for a right handed person .User Interface: Mm-hmm I suppose o one thing that could be done is h {vocalsound} is have it um circular andhave it s {vocalsound} so that the uh the pink {gap} actually goes a bit over the pinkie finger . Mm .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Mm .User Interface: So"}
{"doc_id":"doc_102","qid":"","text":"The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota (NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)): I call this meeting to order. Welcome to the 14thmeeting of the House of Commons SpecialCommittee on the COVID-19 Pandemic.  This will be a hybrid meeting. Some members will be participating via video conference and some will be participating inperson. In order to ensure that those joining the meeting via video conference can be seen and heard by those in the chamber, two screens have been set up oneither side of the Speaker's chair, and members in the chamber can listen to the floor audio or to interpretation using their earpiece at their desk. Beforespeaking, please wait until I recognize you by name, and please direct your remarks through the chair. For those joining via video conference, I would like toremind you to leave your mike on mute when you are not speaking. Also, please note that if you want to speak in English, you should be on the English channel.If you want to speak French, you should be on the French channel. Should you wish to alternate between the two languages, you should change the channel tothe language that you are speaking each time you switch languages. Should members participating by video conference need to request the floor outside theirdesignated speaking times, they should activate their mic and state that they have a point of order. Those in the Chamber can rise in the usual way. Please notethat today's proceedings will be televised in the same way as a typical sitting of the House. We'll now proceed to ministerial announcements. I understand thatthere are none. Now we'll proceed to the tabling of documents. Mr.LeBlanc has a document he wants to table. Go ahead, Mr.LeBlanc.Hon. Dominic LeBlanc: Mr.Chair, I have the honour to table, in both official languages, a report entitled \"Democracy Matters, Debates Count: A report on the 2019 Leaders' DebatesCommission and the future of debates in Canada. Mr. Chair, on behalf of all of us, I want to thank the Right Honourable David Johnston for his continuedservice.The Chair: Good. We'll now proceed to the presenting of petitions, for a period not exceeding 15 minutes. I would like to remind members that anypetition presented during a meeting of the special committee must have already been certified by the clerk of petitions. For members participating in person, weask that you please come to the front and drop off your certificate at the table once the petition has been presented. In presenting petitions, the first presentertoday is Mr. Genuis.Mr. Garnett Genuis (Sherwood ParkFort Saskatchewan, CPC): Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm pleased to be presenting a petition in support of BillS-204. This is a bill in the Senate, put forward by Senator Salma Ataullahjan. It would make it a criminal offence for a person to go abroad and receive an organfor which there has not been consent by the donor. It also creates a mechanism by which someone could be deemed inadmissible to Canada if they were involvedin organ harvesting and trafficking. This bill is designed to confront and address the horrific practice by which, in certain casesfor instance, inside Chinaminoritycommunities or dissidents may be targeted and have their organs removed as they're killed and used for transplantation. Petitioners are supportive of Bill S-204,and they want to see it passed as soon as possible.The Chair: Our next petition will go to Mr. Viersen.Mr. Arnold Viersen (Peace RiverWestlock, CPC): Mr. Chair, Iam presenting a petition today signed by Canadians who are concerned that Bill C-7 removes safeguards from the current euthanasia regime, including themandatory 10-day waiting period. Mr. Chair, these people who are signing this petition would like to see an improvement in assisted living, not assisted dying.TheChair: We'll now go to Ms. Zahid.Mrs. Salma Zahid (Scarborough Centre, Lib.): Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would like to present an e-petition signed by over 40people. It asks that the Government of Canada recognize the Republic of Somaliland as an autonomous state that may result in foreign investments, direct accessof development aid, foreign aid for disaster relief and infrastructure development investment loans.The Chair: Now we'll proceed to Statements by Members for aperiod not exceeding 15 minutes. Each statement will be for a maximum of one minute. I remind members that if they exceed that time limit, they will beinterrupted.  Our first statement goes to Monsieur El-Khoury.Mr. Fayal El-Khoury (LavalLes les, Lib.): Mr.Chair, I thank the government for the way it hasmanaged this global crisis and its impact on Canadians. It has acted in a robust, rapid and very effective way. Our Prime Minister has been awarded the medal ofhonour, courage and humanity worldwide. Canada is one of the few countries that has acted in the best interests of its citizens and maintained their dignity inthese uncertain times. While addressing Canadians, our right honourable Prime Minister showed us leadership, the importance of transparency, and integrity. Hekept us united. His top priority was saving lives, along with finding realistic solutions regarding the economic impact on our daily life. Because of his outstandingleadership, we're admired across the world, which is another distinguished privilege of being Canadian. Thank you, Mr. Chair.The Chair: We'll now go to Mr.Epp.Mr. Dave Epp (Chatham-KentLeamington, CPC): COVID-19 has emptied food banks across Canada, even in an agricultural community like Chatham-Kent, soWes Thompson and James Rasmussen, along with Alysson Storey, Randi Bokor, Maureen Geddes, Chris and Terry Johnston, Jason King, Fannie Vavoulis andBrent Wilken, grew an idea into the community's largest-ever food drive. Project manager Morna McDonald estimates that over 3,000 volunteers ended uphelping in the May 16 Miracle. Residents put non-perishable foodstuffs on their doorsteps, with drop-off centres organized for rural areas. Volunteer groupstravelled predetermined routes while maintaining physical distancing. The community collected an amazing 678,000 pounds of food. They accidentally exceededby over 20% the record in the Guinness World Records book for collected food in a single day. Chatham-Kent has restocked their food banks and reaffirmed theircommunity pride. It's an honour to represent such a community.The Chair: We'll now go to Mr. Sarai. We have a point of order from Mr. d'Entremont.Mr. Chrisd'Entremont (West Nova, CPC): As much as I like seeing my friends on the big screens, there are no big screens yet, so we don't know who's on and who's noton. I was wondering if there was going to be a TV coming up soon here, Mr. Chair.The Chair: There is a technical issue, and it is being worked on. We're workingon it as we go through. The other alternative is that we suspend until we fix it. If it's okay, we'll just continue. I think we can all hear the members who arespeaking. This is one of the realities of a virtual or hybrid system. Our next statement will go to Mr. Sarai.Mr. Randeep Sarai (Surrey Centre, Lib.): Thank you, Mr.Chair, and mabuhay to all the Filipino Canadians across this country. In June across Canada we recognize Filipino Heritage Month to raise awareness andcelebrate the Filipino community. Here in Surrey Centre, and across Canada, the Filipino community makes important contributions to our cities and has helpedshape Canada into the vibrant multicultural society that we all know and love today. Now more than ever, during these challenging times we must come togetheras Canadians to celebrate the rich heritage and history of our Filipino neighbours. Throughout June, please join me in celebrating our fellow citizens of Filipinodescent by recognizing all the incredible ways in which they have contributed to making Canada a better place for all of us. Happy Filipino Heritage Month. Thankyou, Mr. Chair.The Chair: Mr.Perron.Mr. Yves Perron (BerthierMaskinong, BQ): Good afternoon, Mr.Chair. Today is World Milk Day, and I would like to recognizethe exceptional work and dedication shown by everyone in the industry. They ensure we have a nutritious, high quality product every day. Let's take part in thelocal consumption movement and rediscover the exceptional products of our dairy producers and processors. Enjoy the yogurts, cheeses and other productsbecause it's true that milk is good. I would also like to thank BrunoLetendre, outgoing chair of the Producteurs de lait du Qubec, and I congratulate the new chair,DanielGobeil. The dairy industry has been sacrificed several times in trade agreements. The government's broken promises are piling up. The payment ofcompensation is still uncertain. Action must be taken. The first step must be the direct allocation of import quotas to processors, and the second must be the fullpayment of the promised compensation. We demand a formal commitment from the government.The Chair: We'll now continue with Mr.Iacono.Mr. Angelo Iacono(Alfred-Pellan, Lib.): Mr.Chair, June is Italian Heritage Month. The situation is special this year, since Italy has been hard hit by COVID-19, with more than30,000deaths. Like me, many Italian Canadians still have family and friends in Italy, and the news has sometimes been very difficult to take, yet that has notdetracted from the great co-operation that exists between Canada and Italy.  Today I would like to highlight the solidariet italiana in our community. During thepandemic, Canadians of Italian descent have been united to support anziani, our famiglie and our amici in Italy by participating in the fundraising campaignCOVID-19 AiutiAMO lItalia to support the Italian Red Cross response activities. I send a special salute to to my cugino Giuseppe, who is still on the road torecovery from COVID-19. The Chair: We'll continue with Mr. Kram.Mr. Michael Kram (ReginaWascana, CPC): Mr. Chair, I would like to acknowledge all of theorganizations in Saskatchewan and across Canada that are working hard to help small businesses adapt to the challenges of the current pandemic. In particular, Iwould like to thank the Regina Downtown Business Improvement District, or RDBID. As soon as the pandemic hit, RDBID launched a daily electronic newsletter tokeep their members informed of support programs, local initiatives and local success stories. They have used their social media channels on a daily basis topromote takeout and delivery services, online and curbside services offered by restaurants and retailers. They have also launched a number of their owninitiatives to help businesses access e-commerce. Through persistent communication and a lot of long hours, RDBID has helped businesses in downtown Reginato weather the storm. Because of their hard work, downtown Regina will come through this pandemic better than ever.The Chair: Mr.Lauzon now has the floor.Mr.Stphane Lauzon (ArgenteuilLa Petite-Nation, Lib.): Mr.Chair, high-speed Internet will be to the 21stcentury what electricity was to the 20th: an essential service.We are currently experiencing a drastic change in our morals, our consumption patterns and our socialization habits. We are turning to the Internet to read thenews, contact our friends and complete our purchases. Isolation associated with COVID-19 has only accelerated this trend. Unfortunately, not all regions ofCanada have reliable, affordable, high-speed access. I would like to reassure the citizens of my riding about the efforts that we are making as a government, but"}
{"doc_id":"doc_103","qid":"","text":"Sian Thomas: Bore da. Unfortunately, the Chair, Lynne Neagle, is unable to attend today's meeting. Therefore, in accordance with Standing Order 17.22, I call fornominations for a temporary Chair, for the duration of the meeting.Julie Morgan AM: I nominate John Griffiths.Sian Thomas: Any further nominations? I thereforedeclare that John Griffiths has been appointed temporary Chair, and I invite him to chair for the duration of today's meeting.John Griffiths AM: Thank you verymuch. I thank the Members for that. Welcome, everyone, to this meeting of the Children, Young People and Education Committee. The first item on our agendatoday is apologies, substitutions, declarations of interest. Obviously, Lynne Neagle isn't able to be with us today. We haven't received any other apologies. Arethere any declarations of interest? No. We will move on then to item 2 on our agenda, the continuation of our inquiry into targeted funding to improve educationaloutcomes, and evidence session 8. And I'm very pleased to welcome Estyn here this morning to give evidence to the committee. Would you like to introduceyourselves for the record, please?Meilyr Rowlands: Meilyr Rowlands, chief inspector.Claire Morgan: Claire Morgan, strategic director.Simon Brown: Simon Brown,strategic director.John Griffiths AM: Okay. Thank you. And welcome again. If it's okay, we'll move straight into questions—we have quite a number of questions toget through this morning. Firstly, Llyr.Llyr Gruffydd AM: Thank you, Chair, and good morning. I just want to start by asking about your perception of how schoolsare using the pupil development grant funding, and to what extent they are genuinely targeting that funding exclusively towards children eligible for free schoolmeals.Meilyr Rowlands: Thank you for the question. This grant has been targeted far better by now than it was originally. Estyn has made several reportsregarding the effectiveness of the grant, and, really, going back to before this specific grant, to a similar grant, called RAISE. At the start of this grant, the fundingwas often spent on tackling underachievement, rather than dealing with the underachievement of children who are eligible for free school meals specifically. But,over a period of time, we have seen that it is targeted much better by now. That's not to say that the targeting is working perfectly still, and I think that we areseeing examples where the targeting isn't going just to children who receive free school meals. Schools sometimes interpret poverty in a slightly wider way thanthat. In terms of what schools are doing with the grant, we have given evidence to you of the kinds of things that they are doing. They are tracking progress ofpupils, they are trying to improve attendance, they are trying to work with families and the community in general, they're doing work specifically to improvehow children are doing in exams, in key stage 4, specifically—a lot of funding is being spent on that—improving the confidence of students, taking students onextra-curricular activities, improving literacy and numeracy. Those are the kinds of activities they're being used for.Llyr Gruffydd AM: Because the research byIpsos MORI and the Wales Institute of Social and Economic Research, Data and Methods has shown that there is some kind of blurring—I think that's the termthat they use—in terms of who is eligible. But you are relatively comfortable with the fact that there is sufficient targeting happening. You referred to the fact thatit is used, perhaps, to reach a slightly wider cohort than just those who are eligible for free school meals, but you do feel that that balance, from your experience,is acceptable.Meilyr Rowlands: Yes, certainly, it has improved a great deal. When I was looking at this initially, the targeting wasn’t happening at all. It was beingspent on children who were underachieving, and one of the things that we did notice in the first report was that much more funding was being spent on boys thangirls. And, of course, that raised the question immediately that it wasn't being spent then on children who are eligible for free school meals, becausethose numbers are equal. So, it wasn’t, but it has improved. There is a discussion about who exactly should have it and whether free school meals is the bestdefinition. So, I think that schools are perhaps not following that exactly, but within the spirit of the grant, I think I’m fairly comfortable. There is a specificquestion—I don’t know if you are going to ask this—regarding more able and talented pupils.Llyr Gruffydd AM: That's where I was going next.Meilyr Rowlands:So, if there is a cohort of pupils who are missing out on this, they are the more able and talented pupils who receive free school meals. There are a number ofreasons for this, I think. One of them is that there’s still some feeling that less able children should be receiving this grant, children who are underachieving.Schools don’t always identify underachievement of those more able children. It seems that they are doing okay, but if they were given more support, they woulddo even better.Llyr Gruffydd AM: So, is it a lack of awareness of the nature of the grant, and that the individual has to be targeted rather than just those who areunderachieving? Is that the problem? Or is it the regime that focuses on exam results and the need to draw those pupils who are underachieving up, rather thanincentivising those who are achieving to achieve better?Meilyr Rowlands: A bit of both, I'd say. And the third factor is identifying children who are more able. Ithink that we have a bit of work to do in that regard. I was in a conference for headteachers last week, where there was new data being discussed, and that datashowed the progress of children from a certain point, year 6 tests. I think that kind of data will be very useful, because what that data can do is help secondaryschools to identify more able children and that they are underachieving. Even though they're doing quite well, that kind of value-added data is very useful. So, Ithink that that will help as well.Llyr Gruffydd AM: Thank you.John Griffiths AM: Mark, did you want to pursue these matters further?Mark Reckless AM: Yes. I justwanted to ask about the more able and talented stream. It was good to read in your report an increased emphasis on this and to see your awareness of itsimportance in the PDG as well. Can I just ask—? Would you look at one area regarding schools' engagement with the Seren network, particularly for the moreable and talented, and what more Estyn can do through its inspection criteria and otherwise to encourage this from schools?Meilyr Rowlands: Well, I think Estynhas always been very strongly focused on improving the performance of more able pupils. For example, in last year's annual report I raised it, and a lot of thedebate around this now, I think, was generated by some of the things I've said in previous annual reports. We gave a lot of evidence to the—. Paul Flynn, I think,did the—no, who did the report? Paul Murphy did the report. So, we gave evidence to that. And on Seren, I'm particularly proud that my alma mater, JesusCollege, is a very strong supporter of the Seren work. So, I'm personally quite interested in the work of Seren. And we look at the performance of more ablepupils in all our inspections. It's a particular part of our inspection framework—looking at the relative performance of different groups. So, we look at the differentperformance of boys and girls, free school meals and non-free school meals, ethnic minorities, but we also look at the performance of more able pupils inparticular, and we question schools about how they provide for the more able pupils, and we've referred to Seren in several of our inspection reports.MarkReckless AM: And where schools work particularly hard to engage with Seren and take up opportunities from that and push as many pupils as appropriate to workwith that, is that something that you would recognise within your inspection reports? And, on the other side, where schools don't do that, is that something youwould pull them up on?Meilyr Rowlands: Yes, we've done that. We've done it in several reports.Claire Morgan: Throughout our inspections, we are looking for bestpractice, because part of our strategy is always to identify where there are weaknesses, but actually to point schools in the direction of where they can find asolution. So, capturing different approaches to more able and talented is part of the role of inspection.Mark Reckless AM: Thank you.Llyr Gruffydd AM: Justbriefly, you touched earlier on using the measure of those who are eligible for free school meals as a way to identify children from disadvantaged backgrounds sothat you can target this funding. Varied evidence has been given to us on this. Do you have an opinion on whether that's the best way?Meilyr Rowlands: Itcertainly is a good way of doing it. There is a strong correlation between children who underachieve and that measure, so it is a strong measure. But, there isscope to discuss how exactly it does work. For example, some people say that if you have received free school meals for a period of time and now you're notreceiving them, then perhaps you should still be receiving the funding for a period of time, for example. So, there are ways of fine-tuning that measure, I think.It's worth considering those approaches.John Griffiths AM: Thanks for that. We move on now to Michelle.Michelle Brown AM: Thank you. Good morning, everyone.You've reported that the proportion of schools making effective use of the PDG remains around two thirds of secondary and primary schools, meaning that a thirdare still not using that PDG effectively. Why do you think this is?Meilyr Rowlands: I think that sort of proportion broadly corresponds to the schools that don'thave particularly good leadership. I think, ultimately, all of these sorts of initiatives come down to strong leadership and effective leadership—that they know howto organise and use those grants effectively. One of the shortcomings that we often identify is evaluation—that money has been spent on a particular way of usingthe grant, but it has not been evaluated well. So, I think quite a lot of it is to do with generic leadership skills. But those are some of the specific shortcomings todo with evaluation.Michelle Brown AM: Are there any patterns by region or type of school in that?Meilyr Rowlands: I don't think there's any patterns that we'veidentified in terms of region.Claire Morgan: As Meilyr said, it's very strongly linked to leadership capacity.Michelle Brown AM: Okay. Thank you. What are the mosteffective uses of PDG, from your point of view? Is there something in particular that you think that schools should be focusing on?Meilyr Rowlands: I think there'sa lot of evidence on what constitutes good practice in this area. There's the Welsh Government guidance, there's our guidance, there's a lot of research—theSutton Trust toolkit—and they're the sorts of things I mentioned earlier. I think that more attention does need to be given to the community-focused element ofthis work. So, schools do a lot of things that they are in control of—the things I mentioned earlier: things like improving attendance, offering extra-curricularactivities, literacy and numeracy support, tracking pupils—all those sorts of things. But an important element of this, I think, is engaging with the learners, butalso with parents and the community. I think what we've found is that the most effective schools—the ones that really do make a big difference to this cohort of"}
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They 're {disfmarker} they 're sort of practical .Professor G: I thought {pause} somebody had .Postdoc F: I don'tknow if you 're {disfmarker}Professor G: Yeah , that 's right .Postdoc F: if {disfmarker} if that 's too practical for what we 're {pause} focused on .Grad A: Imean , we don't want anything too practical .Professor G: Yeah , we only want th useless things .Grad A: Yeah , that would be {disfmarker}Professor G: Yeah .No , why don't we talk about practical things ?Postdoc F: OK .Professor G: Sure .Postdoc F: Well , um , I can {pause} give you an update on the {pause}transcription effort .Professor G: Great .Postdoc F: Uh , maybe {nonvocalsound} raise the issue of microphone , uh , um procedures with reference to the{pause} cleanliness of the recordings .Professor G: OK , transcription , uh , microphone issues {disfmarker}Postdoc F: And then maybe {nonvocalsound} ask , thuh , these guys . The {disfmarker} we have great {disfmarker} great , uh , p steps forward in terms of the nonspeech - speech pre - segmenting of the signal.Professor G: OK .Grad A: Well , we have steps forward .PhD C: Yeah .Postdoc F: Well , it 's a {disfmarker} it 's a big improvement .PhD C: I would prefer this.Professor G: Yes . Yeah , well . OK . Uh {disfmarker}PhD D: We talk about the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the results ofProfessor G: You have some{disfmarker} Yeah .Grad A: I have a little bit of IRAM stuffProfessor G: OK .PhD D: use {disfmarker}Grad A: but {pause} I 'm not sure if that 's of generalinterest or not .Professor G: Uh , bigram ?Grad A: IRAM .PhD D: IRAM .Professor G: IRAM .Grad A: IRAM , bigram ,Professor G: Well , m maybe .PhD D: Bi -Bigram .Grad A: you know .Professor G: Yeah , let 's {disfmarker} let 's see where we are at three - thirty .PhD B: Hmm .Professor G: Um {disfmarker}PhD B:Since , uh {disfmarker} since I have to leave as usual at three - thirty , can we do the interesting stuff first ?Postdoc F: I beg your pardon ?Professor G: Well{disfmarker}PhD C: Which is {disfmarker} ?Grad A: What 's the interesting stuff ?Postdoc F: I beg your pardon ?PhD D: Yeah .Professor G: Yeah . Th - now youget to tell us what 's the interesting part .PhD E: Please specify .Professor G: But {disfmarker}PhD B: Well , uh , I guess the work that 's been {pause} done onsegmentation would be most {disfmarker}PhD C: Yeah .Postdoc F: I think that would be a good thing to start with .PhD B: Yeah .Professor G: OK . Um , and , um, {vocalsound} the other thing , uh , which I 'll just say very briefly that maybe relates to that a little bit , which is that , um , uh , one of the suggestions thatcame up in a brief meeting I had the other day when I was in Spain with , uh , Manolo Pardo and {vocalsound} Javier , uh , Ferreiros , who was {pause} herebefore , was , um , why not start with what they had before but add in the non - silence boundaries . So , in what Javier did before when they were doing , um{disfmarker} h he was looking for , uh , speaker change {pause} points .PhD D: Mm - hmm .Professor G: Um . As a simplification , he originally did this onlyusing {pause} silence as , uh , a {pause} putative , uh , speaker change point .PhD C: Yeah .Professor G: And , uh , he did not , say , look at points where youwere changing broad sp uh , phonetic class , for instance . And for Broadcast News , that was fine . Here obviously it 's not .PhD D: Yeah .Professor G: And , um ,so one of the things that they were pushing in d in discussing with me is , um , w why are you spending so much time , uh , on the , uh , feature issue , uh , whenperhaps if you sort of deal with what you were using beforePhD D: Uh - huh .Professor G: and then just broadened it a bit , instead of just ta using silence asputative change point also {disfmarker} ?PhD D: Nnn , yeah .Professor G: So then you 've got {disfmarker} you already have the super - structure withGaussians and H - you know , simple H M Ms and so forth . And you {disfmarker} you might {disfmarker} So there was a {disfmarker} there was a little bit of a{disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a difference of opinion because I {disfmarker} I thought that it was {disfmarker} it 's interesting to look at whatfeatures are useful .PhD D: Yeah .Professor G: But , uh , on the other hand I saw that the {disfmarker} they had a good point that , uh , if we had something thatworked for many cases before , maybe starting from there a little bit {disfmarker} Because ultimately we 're gonna end up {vocalsound} with some s su kind ofstructure like that ,PhD D: Yeah .Professor G: where you have some kind of simple HMM and you 're testing the hypothesis that , {vocalsound} uh , there is achange .PhD D: Yeah .Professor G: So {disfmarker} so anyway , I just {disfmarker} reporting that .PhD D: OK .Professor G: But , uh , uh {disfmarker} So . Yeah, why don't we do the speech - nonspeech discussion ?Postdoc F: Yeah . Do {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I hear {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you didn't{disfmarker}PhD C: Speech - nonspeech ? OK .Postdoc F: Uh - huh . Yeah .PhD C: Um , so , uh , what we basically did so far was using the mixed file to{disfmarker} to detect s speech or nonspeech {pause} portions in that .Professor G: Mm - hmm .PhD C: And what I did so far is I just used our old Munichsystem , which is an HMM - ba based system with Gaussian mixtures for s speech and nonspeech . And it was a system which used only one Gaussian for silenceand one Gaussian for speech . And now I added , uh , multi - mixture possibility for {disfmarker} {vocalsound} for speech and nonspeech .Professor G: Mm -hmm . Mm - hmm .PhD C: And I did some training on {disfmarker} on one dialogue , which was transcribed by {disfmarker} Yeah . We {disfmarker} we did anons s speech - nonspeech transcription .PhD D: Jose .PhD C: Adam , Dave , and I , we did , for that dialogue and I trained it on that . And I did some pre -segmentations for {disfmarker} for Jane . And I 'm not sure how good they are or what {disfmarker} what the transcribers say . They {disfmarker} they can useit or {disfmarker} ?Postdoc F: Uh , they {disfmarker} they think it 's a terrific improvement . And , um , it real it just makes a {disfmarker} a world of difference.Professor G: Hmm .Postdoc F: And , um , y you also did some something in addition which was , um , for those in which there {nonvocalsound} was , uh , quietspeakers in the mix .PhD C: Yeah . Uh , yeah . That {disfmarker} that was one {disfmarker} one {disfmarker} one thing , uh , why I added more mixtures for{disfmarker} for the speech . So I saw that there were loud {disfmarker} loudly speaking speakers and quietly speaking speakers .Professor G: Mm - hmm .PhDC: And so I did two mixtures , one for the loud speakers and one for the quiet speakers .Grad A: And did you hand - label who was loud and who was quiet , ordid you just {disfmarker} ?PhD C: I did that for {disfmarker} for five minutes of one dialogueGrad A: Right .PhD C: and that was enough to {disfmarker} to trainthe system .PhD B: W What {disfmarker} ?PhD D: Yeah .PhD C: And so it {disfmarker} it adapts , uh , on {disfmarker} while running . So .PhD B: What kind of ,uh , front - end processing did you do ?PhD C: Hopefully .PhD D: OK .PhD C: It 's just our {disfmarker} our old Munich , uh , loudness - based spectrum on melscale twenty {disfmarker} twenty critical bands and then loudness .PhD B: Mm - hmm .PhD C: And four additional features , which is energy , loudness , modifiedloudness , and zero crossing rate . So it 's twenty - four {disfmarker} twenty - four features .PhD B: Mmm .Professor G: Mm - hmm .Postdoc F: And you alsoprovided me with several different versions ,PhD C: Yeah .Postdoc F: which I compared .PhD C: Yeah .Postdoc F: And so you change {nonvocalsound}parameters . What {disfmarker} do you wanna say something about the parameters {nonvocalsound} that you change ?PhD C: Yeah . You can specify{vocalsound} the minimum length of speech or {disfmarker} and silence portions which you want . And so I did some {disfmarker} some modifications in thoseparameters , basically changing the minimum {disfmarker} minimum {pause} length for s for silence to have , er to have , um {disfmarker} yeah {disfmarker}to have more or less , uh , silence portions in inserted . So .Grad A: Right . So this would work well for , uh , pauses and utterance boundaries and things like that.PhD D: Yeah .PhD C: Yeah . Yeah .Grad A: But for overlap I imagine that doesn't work at all ,PhD C: Yeah .PhD D: Yeah .Grad A: that you 'll have plenty of ssections that are {disfmarker}PhD C: Yeah .PhD D: Yeah .PhD C: That 's it . Yeah .Postdoc F: Mm - hmm , mm - hmm .PhD D: Yeah .Grad A: But{disfmarker}Postdoc F: That 's true . But {nonvocalsound} it {disfmarker} it saves so much time {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the {nonvocalsound}transcribersProfessor G: Um {disfmarker}Grad A: Yep .Postdoc F: just enormous , enormous savings . Fantastic .Professor G: That 's great . Um , just qu onequickly , uh , still on the features . So {vocalsound} you have these twenty - four features .PhD C: Yeah .Professor G: Uh , a lot of them are spectral features . Isthere a {disfmarker} a transformation , uh , like principal components transformation or something ?PhD C: No .Grad A: Yeah . It was IS two .PhD C: No . W wwe {disfmarker} originally we did thatProfessor G: Just {disfmarker}PhD C: but we saw , uh , when we used it , uh , f for our close - talking microphone , which{disfmarker} yeah , for our {disfmarker} for our recognizer in Munich {disfmarker} we saw that w it 's {disfmarker} it 's not {disfmarker} it 's not so necessary .It {disfmarker} it works as well f with {disfmarker} with {disfmarker} without , uh , a LDA or something .Professor G: OK . OK . No , I was j {pause} curious.PhD C: Yeah .Postdoc F: Mm - hmm .Professor G: Yeah , I don't think it 's a big deal for this application ,PhD C: Yeah .PhD D: Right .Professor G: but{disfmarker} but {disfmarker} Yeah , it 's a {disfmarker}Postdoc F: Mm - hmm . OK . But then there 's another thing that also Thilo 's involved with , which is ,um {disfmarker} OK , and {disfmarker} and also Da - Dave Gelbart . So there 's this {disfmarker} this problem of {disfmarker} and w and {disfmarker} so wehad this meeting . Th - the {nonvocalsound} {disfmarker} also Adam , before the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} before you went away . Uh we , um{disfmarker} regarding the representation {nonvocalsound} of overlaps , because at present , {nonvocalsound} {vocalsound} um , because {nonvocalsound} ofthe limitations of {vocalsound} th the interface we 're using , overlaps are , uh , not being {nonvocalsound} encoded by {nonvocalsound} the transcribers in ascomplete {nonvocalsound} and , uh , detailed a way as it might be , and as might be desired {disfmarker} I think would be desired in the corpus ultimately"}
{"doc_id":"doc_105","qid":"","text":"Marketing: {vocalsound} That went well , thank you .Project Manager: That's great .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} 'Kay .Marketing: Perfect .Project Manager:Alright , let me just PowerPoint this up . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Right so um this meeting will be about the conceptual design , don't ask me sprecisely what conceptual design is , it's just something important that we need to do . Um , think of it {disfmarker} 's kind of uh turning the abstract into slightlymore concrete . In this meeting ideally we'll come to some final decisions on what we're gonna do for the prototype . Um . Right so um , apologies for the lastmeeting , it was brought to my attention that I did not make the roles clear enough , um , so I will attempt to do so more accurately in this particular meeting .Um , fair enough , thanks for the input , 's always good . Um . So , basically all we're gonna do is have some presentations again much like last time , um , andgonna go through you , uh whoever wants to go first is f fine by me um and we'll collate what we know about um what we discussed in the last meeting , possibledirections . {vocalsound} And then we'll make some more decisions on um basic uh firm up our idea on how we want this remote control to look and work . So ,perfect . So , without th further ado , whoever wants to go first is free to .Industrial Designer: I'll go first .Project Manager: Alright Nathan ,Marketing: Go ahead.Project Manager: take it away . It is Nathan right ? I'm not calling you the wrong name over and over again ?Industrial Designer: No Nathan's fine .Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Good .Industrial Designer: It's either Nathan or participant two .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Mister participant two that is . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Nice.Industrial Designer: Okay . Um ,Project Manager: Nice .Industrial Designer: basically what I'm gonna have to talk to you about today is um component designand it's been brought to my attention that we may be somewhat limited as to what we can do because of what our manufacturer offers ,Project Manager: Mm.Industrial Designer: so {disfmarker} Basically what I'm gonna be doing is talking to you about that . Um , components of a remote control , okay . We've alreadykind of gone over this but we're gonna have to get into more detail and probably have to reach some conclusions some time soon . Energy source , um , ourmanufacturer offers a variety of energy sources , your standard battery , solar cells . Our manufacturer didn't say anything about lithium so we might have tolook {disfmarker} if we do go that route , we might have to look elsewhere . Um , and also there's a kinetic energy possibility . Basically , it's like a um{disfmarker} the idea of moving the remote would create enough energy to keep it running . So that's one possibility but I don't know whether that would bepowerful enough to illuminate a touch screen .Project Manager: Hmm .Industrial Designer: So we'll have to look into that .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer:Um , the case , we have a few options , plastic , rubber or wood . Um and then as far as the way it's shaped , we can do standard boring flat , which we probablydon't wanna do , curved or very sexy double curved .Project Manager: What kind of th thickness are we looking at ?Industrial Designer: Um , I imagine that wecould specify . Um , I don't see any reason to go outside of the convention of three or four millimetres . Yeah .Project Manager: Okay , brilliant .IndustrialDesigner: Um , the buttons , there are multiple scroll buttons available from our manufacturer , but to use those we'd have to use more chips , um and that wouldcost us more . And if we do go with the rubber doubled curved case um we'll have to use rubber push buttons because the other buttons aren't compatible withthat .Project Manager: Hmm .Industrial Designer: Um and just a little note there ,Marketing: Right .Industrial Designer: touch screen equals many chips whichequals many Euro .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Right . Nice .Industrial Designer: Um , one thing that I noticed was that mostremotes operate on a infrare on the infrared part of the spectrum . So you notice when you push a button on a remote you can't see anything coming out of it butin fact there is light coming out of the remote and you know the television can detect that . And if you were to record {disfmarker} if you were to make a videorecording you could actually see the light . Uh one thing that I thought might be interesting was to use part {disfmarker} use visible light coming out of theremote , just kind of as a fun gimmick .Project Manager: Hmm .Industrial Designer: So you could actually see something coming out of the remote when youpushed it .Marketing: Interesting .Industrial Designer: Course it'd have to be a part of the spectrum that wouldn't damage the human eye or anything like that.Project Manager: {vocalsound} M Maybe {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm . Good call .Project Manager: is there an option that we canhave that off or on so a person can select like {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Choose it .Industrial Designer: I am sure that we could do that .Um , of course {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah I like the idea , it's a good idea .Industrial Designer: Yeah , just as a fun gimmick .Project Manager: Yeah.Industrial Designer: Just to set us apart a little bit . Um , and then on to the circuit board that we're gonna use , also known as the chip . Uh , we really don'thave any way around the T_A_ one one eight three five .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Um findings , okay ,we're very limited by what our current manufacturers can offer , um and my question to all of you is , should we look to other manufacturies or should we justmake do with what we have available ?User Interface: Interesting question .Industrial Designer: 'S a bit of a challenge question .Project Manager: Mm .UserInterface: Yes .Marketing: Well I'd say shop around but with our time constraints , is that really a feasible option ?Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer:Right , that's my concern too . Um , if we do go the lithium battery route then we'll have to go outside our current manufacturer . My personal preference is{disfmarker} I'll just throw my cards on the table , uh I think we should probably go the solar battery route , just to kinda keep with the environmentally friendlytheme that we have going on . Uh , I like the idea of the visible light signalling , that's something to set us apart and uh I was thinking about {disfmarker} I wasthinking of ways that we could produce the remote in a variety of different case materials to suit different tastes . So we're not so confined by one style and saysome {disfmarker} you know , say our {disfmarker} the one {disfmarker}Marketing: Right .Industrial Designer: if we just go with one and it doesn't go over wellthen we're in a bad situation .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: Right .Project Manager: Can we do marketing piloting too ? Try to see what kind {disfmarker}before we launch {disfmarker} can we see how they're received ?Marketing: Um {disfmarker} It's an option , uh but actually there's {disfmarker} I've got someresearch already on like what we're looking at and trends in casing right nowProject Manager: Okay . Okay .Marketing: which actually might even come into playbeforehand ,Project Manager: Okay , perfect .Marketing: it may help us decide for now . Temporarily anyway .Project Manager: Great , thank you very muchNathan .Industrial Designer: Oh yeah , you're welcome .Project Manager: That's perfect , so I guess that makes sense for you to take it from here .Marketing:{vocalsound} I guess so , 'cause I found some interesting things . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound} Did you ? {vocalsound}Marketing: You waiting for me ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: Fascinating , compelling even .Marketing: I know , what ateaser ain't it . Um . {vocalsound} Right . SoUser Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: current market trends . Screen . Um , basically I was looking at what's goingon in the remote control market right now and what's going on in other design fields , to see sort of what's what's trendy , what's new , what's happening . Um ,remote control right now {disfmarker} basically everybody says they want newer , fancier , more exciting {disfmarker} they're sick of this boring , normal ,functional , um {disfmarker} that we need innovative design options and there needs to be an easy user interface . Um the challenge is that current trends rightnow , across the board in fashion , in furniture , in technology , is a very organic fruit and vegetable kind of thing .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Now I'm notsaying we should have , you know , tomato shaped remote controls or anything , but I think it is possible maybe to use um natural colours , like if wood is anoption , that whole organic , sleek , clean ,Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: v line thing may be something we can look into . Different skin options , or if wecan't afford this touch plate thing , or touch face screen interface um , maybe having the b images be specific , like you could choose your menu bullets tobeProject Manager: {vocalsound} Tomatoes . {vocalsound}Marketing: a different shapeIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: or {vocalsound} okay , not the example I would choose , but you know what I mean to t sort of {disfmarker} and th apparently the feelof the next couple of years is spongy ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} I like it , I like it .{vocalsound}Marketing: uh not something I I've come up with a {gap} though if we can get around to getting piloting , I thought maybe a casing option like uhnot like a skin , but like a holder almost if you could do like um , leather options or wood options or something {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Hmm . I shouldhave mentioned this um . As far as the rubber that we can use {disfmarker} we can use a rubber as part of the case ,Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: ithas a consistency of those stress balls .User Interface: Yes .Marketing: Mm . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Slick , slick .User Interface: Fabulous .Marketing:Might be an interesting way to go . Um , yeah so something to sit on for now . So overall I think we should stick with what we're finding , everyone's looking foreasy to use , technologically innovative and this fancy new {disfmarker} I think perhaps the double curve thing and maybe this rubber option is our best way togo for right now .Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: {vocalsound} Um .Project Manager: Interface , oh the interface graphics for the um{disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah . Um . Well I d but then if the touch screen thing isn't gonna work out for us that's really a non-issue .ProjectManager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: I like the idea of of rubber too because it's {disfmarker} tends to be associated with being durable , something that you can"}
{"doc_id":"doc_106","qid":"","text":"Professor A: OK .Grad B: OK we 're on and we seem to be working .PhD C: Yes .Professor A: OK .Grad B: We didn't crash {disfmarker} we 're not crashinganymorePhD C: One , two , three , four , fGrad B: and it really bothers me .Professor A: Yeah ?PhD C: No crashing .PhD G: I do . I crashed when I started thismorning .Grad B: You crashed {disfmarker} crashed this morning ? I did not crash this morning .PhD C: Yeah ?Professor A: Oh ! Well maybe it 's just , you know, how many t u u u u how many times you crash in a day .PhD G: Really ? Yeah . Maybe , yeah .Professor A: First time {disfmarker} first time in the day , youknow .PhD G: Or maybe it 's once you 've {pause} done enough meetings {comment} it won't crash on you anymore .PhD E: Yeah .PhD C: No ?Postdoc F: Yeah.PhD G: It 's a matter of experience .PhD E: Yeah .Professor A: Yeah .Postdoc F: Self - learning , yeah .Professor A: That 's {disfmarker} that 's great .PhD G:Yeah .Professor A: Uh .PhD C: Yeah .Professor A: Do we have an agenda ? Liz {disfmarker} Liz and Andreas can't sh can't {disfmarker} uh , can't come .Grad B:I do .Professor A: So , they won't be here .Grad B: I have agenda and it 's all me .PhD G: Did {disfmarker}Grad B: Cuz no one sent me anything else .PhD G: Didthey send , uh , the messages to you about the meeting today ?Grad B: I have no idea but I just got it a few minutes ago .PhD G: Oh .Grad B: Right when youwere in my office it arrived .PhD G: Oh . OK , cuz I checked my mail . I didn't have anything .Grad B: So , does anyone have any a agenda items other than me ?I actually have one more also which is to talk about the digits .Professor A: Uh , right , so {disfmarker} so I {disfmarker} I was just gonna talk briefly about theNSF ITR .PhD C: Mm - hmm . Yeah .Grad B: Oh , great .Professor A: Uh , and then , you have {disfmarker}Postdoc F: Can wProfessor A: I mean , I won't saymuch , but {disfmarker} {comment} uh , but then , uh , you said {disfmarker} wanna talk about digits ?Grad B: I have a short thing about digits and then uh Iwanna talk a little bit about naming conventions , although it 's unclear whether this is the right place to talk about it . So maybe just talk about it very briefly andtake the details to the people who {disfmarker} for whom it 's relevant .Professor A: Right .PhD C: Yeah .Postdoc F: I could always say something abouttranscription . I 've been {disfmarker} {vocalsound} but {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} uh , well {disfmarker}Professor A: Well if we {disfmarker} Yeah , weshouldn't add things in just to add things in . I 'm actually pretty busy today ,Postdoc F: Yeah .Professor A: so if we can {disfmarker} {comment} {vocalsound}we {disfmarker}Postdoc F: Yeah , yeah , yeah .Professor A: a short meeting would be fine .Postdoc F: This does sound like we 're doing fine , yeah . That won'tdo .Grad B: So the only thing I wanna say about digits is , we are pretty much done with the first test set . There are probably forms here and there that aremarked as having been read that weren't really read . So I won't really know until I go through all the transcriber forms and extract out pieces that are in error .So I wa Uh . Two things . The first is what should we do about digits that were misread ? My opinion is , um , we should just throw them out completely , andhave them read again by someone else . You know , the grouping is completely random ,PhD C: Uh - huh .Grad B: so it {disfmarker} it 's perfectly fine to put a{disfmarker} a group together again of errors and have them re - read , just to finish out the test set .Postdoc F: Oh ! By {disfmarker} throw them outcompletely ?Grad B: Um , the other thing you could do is change the transcript to match what they really said . So those are {disfmarker} those are the twooptions .PhD C: Yeah .Postdoc F: Mm - hmm .Professor A: But there 's often things where people do false starts . I know I 've done it , where I say {disfmarker}say a {disfmarker}Grad B: What the transcribers did with that is if they did a correction , and they eventually did read the right string , {comment} you extractthe right string .PhD G: Oh , you 're talking about where they completely read the wrong string and didn't correct it ?PhD E: Yeah .Grad B: Yeah . And didn'tnotice . Which happens in a few places .PhD E: Yeah .PhD G: Ah .PhD C: Yeah .Grad B: So {disfmarker} so {disfmarker}Postdoc F: Well , and s and you 'retalking string - wise , you 're not talking about the entire page ?Grad B: Correct .PhD E: Yeah .Postdoc F: I get it .Grad B: And so the {disfmarker} the twooptions are change the transcript to match what they really said , but then {disfmarker} but then the transcript isn't the Aurora test set anymore . I don't thinkthat really matters because the conditions are so different . And that would be a little easier .PhD G: Well how many are {disfmarker} how {disfmarker} howoften does that happen ?Grad B: Mmm , five or six times .PhD G: Oh , so it 's not very much .Grad B: No , it 's not much at all .PhD G: Seems like we should justchange the transcriptsPhD E: Yeah .Grad B: OK .PhD G: to match .Professor A: Yeah , it 's five or six times out of {pause} thousands ?PhD C: Yeah .Grad B: Fourthousand .Professor A: Four thousand ?PhD C: Four thous Ah ! Four thousand .PhD G: Yeah , it 's {disfmarker}Professor A: Yeah , I would , uh , {vocalsound} takdo the easy way ,PhD G: Yeah .Professor A: yeah .Grad B: OK .PhD C: Yeah .Professor A: It {disfmarker} it 's kinda nice {disfmarker} I mean , wh who knowswhat studies people will be doing on {disfmarker} on speaker - dependent thingsPhD C: Mmm .Professor A: and so I think having {disfmarker} having it all{disfmarker}PhD C: Yeah .Professor A: the speakers who we had is {disfmarker} is at least interesting .PhD G: So you {disfmarker} um , how many digits havebeen transcribed now ?Grad B: Four thousand lines . And each line is between one and about ten digits .PhD G: Four thousand lines ?Grad B: I didn't{disfmarker} I didn't compute the average . I think the average was around four or five .Professor A: So that 's a couple hours of {disfmarker} of , uh , speech ,probably .PhD G: Wow .Grad B: Yep . Yep .Professor A: Which is a yeah reasonable {disfmarker} reasonable test set .PhD C: Mm - hmm .PhD G: Mm - hmm.Grad B: And , Jane , I do have a set of forms which I think you have copies of somewhere .Postdoc F: Mm - hmm . Yeah , true .Grad B: Oh you do ? Oh OK ,good , good .Postdoc F: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .Grad B: Yeah , I was just wond I thought I had {disfmarker} had all of them back from you . And then the otherthing is that , uh , the forms in front of us here that we 're gonna read later , were suggested by LizPostdoc F: No , not yet .Grad B: because she wanted to elicitsome different prosodics from digits . And so , uh , I just wanted people to , take a quick look at the instructionsPhD C: Mm - hmm . PhD E: Eight eight two twotwo nine .Grad B: and the way it wa worked and see if it makes sense and if anyone has any comments on it .Professor A: I see . And the decision here , uh , wasto continue with uh the words rather than the {disfmarker} the numerics .Grad B: Uh , yes , although we could switch it back . The problem was O and zero .Although we could switch it back and tell them always to say \" zero \" or always to say \" O \" .Postdoc F: Oh {disfmarker}Professor A: Or neither .PhD C: Yeah.Professor A: But it 's just two thing {disfmarker} ways that you can say it .Grad B: Mm - hmm .Professor A: Right ?Grad B: Sure .Postdoc F: Oh .Professor A: Um{disfmarker} um ,PhD E: Yeah .Professor A: that 's the only thought I have because if you t start talking about these , you know u tr She 's trying to get atnatural groupings , but it {disfmarker} there 's {disfmarker} there 's nothing natural about reading numbers this way .Grad B: Right .Professor A: I mean if yousaw a telephone number you would never see it this way .Grad B: The {disfmarker} the problem also is she did want to stick with digits . I mean I 'm speakingfor her since she 's not here .Professor A: Yeah .Grad B: But , um , the other problem we were thinking about is if you just put the numerals , {comment} theymight say forty - three instead of four three .PhD E: Yeah .PhD G: Mmm .PhD C: Yeah .PhD E: Yeah .PhD C: Yeah .Postdoc F: Well , if there 's space , though ,between them . I mean , you can {disfmarker} With {disfmarker} when you space them out they don't look like , uh , forty - three anymore .PhD E: Yeah .GradB: Well , she and I were talking about it ,Professor A: Yeah .Grad B: and she felt that it 's very , very natural to do that sort of chunking .Professor A: She 's right. It 's {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it 's a different problem . I mean it 's a {disfmarker} it 's a {disfmarker} it 's an interesting problem {disfmarker} I mean , we've done stuff with numbers before , and yeah sometimes people {disfmarker} If you say s \" three nine eight one \" sometimes people will say \" thirty - nineeighty - one \" or \" three hundred {disfmarker} three hundred eighty - nine one \" , or {disfmarker} I don't think they 'd say that ,PhD C: Yeah .Professor A: but{disfmarker} but thGrad B: Not very frequentlyProfessor A: no {disfmarker}Grad B: but , {vocalsound} they certainly could .Professor A: But {disfmarker} Yeah. Uh , th thirty - eight ninety - one is probably how they 'd do it .Grad B: So . I mean , this is something that Liz and I spoke aboutProfessor A: But {disfmarker} Isee .Grad B: and , since this was something that Liz asked for specifically , I think we need to defer to her .Professor A: Mm - hmm .PhD C: Yeah .Professor A: OK. Well , we 're probably gonna be collecting meetings for a while and if we decide we still wanna do some digits later we might be able to do some different verdifferent versions ,Grad B: Do something different ,Professor A: but this is the next suggestion ,Grad B: yeah .Professor A: so . OK . OK , so uh e l I guess , let me, uh , get my {disfmarker} my short thing out about the NSF . I sent this {disfmarker} actually this is maybe a little side thing . Um , I {disfmarker} I sent towhat I thought we had , uh , in some previous mail , as the right joint thing to send to , which was \" M {disfmarker} MTG RCDR hyphen joint \" .Grad B: It was .Joint . Yep .Professor A: But then I got some sort of funny mail saying that the moderator was going to {disfmarker}Grad B: It 's {disfmarker} That 's becausethey set the one up at UW {disfmarker}Postdoc F: Grad B: that 's not on our side , that 's on the U - dub {comment} side .Professor A: Oh .Grad B: And so U -UW set it up as a moderated list .Postdoc F: Yeah .Professor A: Oh , OK .Grad B: And , I have no idea whether it actually ever goes to anyone so you might justwanna mail to MariProfessor A: No {disfmarker} no , th I got {disfmarker} I got , uh , little excited notes from Mari and Jeff and so on ,Grad B: and{disfmarker}Professor A: so it 's {disfmarker}Grad B: OK , good .Professor A: Yeah .Grad B: So the moderator actually did repost it .Professor A: Yeah .Grad B:Cuz I had sent one earlier {disfmarker} Actually the same thing happened to me {disfmarker} I had sent one earlier . The message says , \" You 'll be informed \"and then I was never informed but I got replies from people indicating that they had gotten it , so .Professor A: Right .Grad B: It 's just to prevent spam.Professor A: I see . Yeah so O {disfmarker} OK . Well , anyway , I guess {disfmarker} everybody here {disfmarker} Are y are {disfmarker} you are on that list ,"}
{"doc_id":"doc_107","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay . Everybody ready ?Marketing: Okay .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Uh I think the first thing we do is introduceourselvesMarketing: I think so .Project Manager: and everybody's name and what your function is ?Marketing: Yeah , that's a good plan .Project Manager: Somaybe we start with you ?User Interface: Okay . Yeah , my name is Francina . And I'm uh an user interface {disfmarker} my role is uh {disfmarker} the mainresponsibility is user interface .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: And my role is to design uh a television remote control .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Okay .Marketing: And I'm a marketing person . I wanna figure out how to sell them .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . And your name is ?Marketing: My name isEileen .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Uh I'm Jeanne-Oui . Um uh my role is industrial designer and my responsibilities are uh uh um dealwith the {vocalsound} technical-functional designs and specifications of user interface and dealing with user interface design .Project Manager: Very good . Andas you already know I am Betty . I am the project manager for today . So why don't we look at the presentation {vocalsound} to see what we really are supposedto do . {vocalsound} Um .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yes y opening , acquaintance , tool training {disfmarker} well , the tools are , I think, we already {disfmarker} I guess the tool is really our {disfmarker} the computer , as far as I can see .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Uh we get inseach of us will get instructions and we'll take it from there . Project plan , that falls under the same heading pretty much . Um , I don't think we have any greatdiscussion at this point .Marketing: No .Project Manager: Um . Here is what this thing should be . This thing we are gonna um uh design is a new remote control .Uh should be original {vocalsound} , trendy , and , of course , user friendly .Marketing: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: So maybe youwanna make some notes of that .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Okay ?Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: All right . {vocalsound} Here is what thefunctional design is supposed to achieve . Um . That is it's gonna be individual work and then at the meeting we'll discuss what uh we have come up with . Thesame goes for the conceptual design , there will be individual work whic and then discussion afterwards . Detailed design , same thing basically .Marketing: Mm'kay so {disfmarker} Three different types of design that we're gonna be concerned with okay .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .Marketing: Functional ,conception and detailed .Project Manager: I can't write with this thing . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Maybe we should redesign it . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Yes . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: After we've finished the remote control we'll get to that .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Yeah , okay . All right ? Then , tool training try out the white board , participant can draw their favourite animal . Does anybody want togo and see how the white board works ? So that in case we have to , in the next meeting , present something on the white board . You wanna go Eileen and{disfmarker}Marketing: Okay , I'll see what I can do .Project Manager: Whether you {disfmarker} without hanging yourself . {vocalsound}Marketing: See if I rSee if I remember how to draw a kitty cat or a rabbit or something . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: And remember you have to press so it works .Marketing: So that it will record okay .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Umuh um traditional kitty cat .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Fat , a fat cat . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} I've a very fat cat.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} And it likes to sit likethat .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: And you're Francine , right ? Would you like s like just to see um how it feels , so that you have alittle idea ?User Interface: Yes , I'm Francina . Yes , sure . {vocalsound}Project Manager: In {disfmarker}Marketing: Am I supposed to wipe off that or{disfmarker}Project Manager: No , no . No , that's okay .User Interface: No , Okay .Marketing: okay .Project Manager: I don't know , we'll get to that later.Marketing: Okay .User Interface: What should I draw ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Snake .User Interface: I'm going to draw asnake . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .User Interface: How does it look like ? {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Marketing: Uh , okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .Marketing: I hope the kitty cat is hungry'cause I don't like snakes . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Here's the project finance uh which , of course , we all have to think about when we design this thing . Um selling price is supposed to be twenty fiveEuro . Uh profit aim for the company is fifty million Euro ,Marketing: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}Project Manager: the market range unlimited meaninginternationalMarketing: Okay .Project Manager: and the production cost should not exceed {disfmarker} hopefully should be less than twelve fifty Euro.Marketing: Mm 'kay that should keep everybody on their toes and challenged .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Profit . Um is fifty mm .Project Manager:So these are all things , of course , to remember with the budget and when you design {vocalsound} to materials , cost , etcetera . Now , uh the discussion Iguess is um does anyone of you have experience with remote control ?Marketing: Oops .Project Manager: I exp I s 'cause we we use 'em {disfmarker} we use'em , right , everyday .Industrial Designer: Yeah , of course , using remote control . Yeah .User Interface: Yes .Project Manager: And um now having used aremote control for years does anybody already have like an idea like things you didn't like with it , things you would like to change , things you would like toimprove with this thing ye any first ideas ? Would you like it to be smaller , bigger ,Industrial Designer: Uh .Project Manager: have more have more buttons on itor maybe clearly {disfmarker} better marked buttons , you know , things like that ?User Interface: Yeah , I {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah .UserInterface: Yes , I I feel that all the remote should be very compact .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Small , right . Mm-hmm .User Interface: Yeah ,those which we get here nowadays it's very long .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: And um and it should have multi-purpose . Like uh the remotecontrol which we use for T_V_ , it shou uh it should be used f uh for some other purpose also , like controlling the uh temperature inside the house or forair-conditioners , or for heating system .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Audio player . Oh . Okay .Project Manager: So it should be amulti-functional uh gadget that would um control all your household uh uh machines basically .User Interface: Yes , exactly Yes .Industrial Designer: Hmm .UserInterface: Yes .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Divides us {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah . Exactly .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah.Marketing: {vocalsound} At um twelve fifty Euros per {disfmarker} {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Well .Marketing: Well who knows if we get a really good designer maybe we can do that .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} Wecertainly can try to {disfmarker} I agree with her that to market something successfully it should do some more things .Project Manager: It should be somethingnew {disfmarker} it should be s it it should do something different than than just what we have .Marketing: That's right .Project Manager: Now , of course , theother thing to think there is maybe the design .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah , of course .User Interface: Yeah , design should be , yeah{disfmarker} it should be different . All the {disfmarker} almost all the remotes {disfmarker}Project Manager: Like trendy no like f for earlier we saw maybe itshould be something trendy you know . Maybe it should {disfmarker} different colours or materials or you know .User Interface: Yes , exactly .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah , maybe ten {disfmarker} I do yeah , coloursUser Interface: Are different shapes .Industrial Designer: and al shapes also . Yeah .User Interface:Yes .Project Manager: Um so yeah shapes right , you know , like kidney shape feels better in your hand or something , you know .User Interface: Yes .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah of course yeah .Marketing: Yeah okay , friendly shape , that would help .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: I think another thing that would helpis um if it beeps when you clap ,Project Manager: Yes .Marketing: because I think one of the big things that happens is people lose them . They can't find it.Project Manager: {vocalsound} That is true ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: because they put a newspaper or they put it behind a plant or , weyou know , whatever .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: And and they {disfmarker} suddenly the phone ringsand they want to turn the T_V_ off and they say , where the hell is my {vocalsound} my remote control yeah ?Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Well or yeah or if it's really , if it's really in a dark spot that it gives out a a sound or a signal .Marketing: So some {disfmarker}{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah , some beep or something like that ,Project Manager: Yeah . Mm-hmm .User Interface: Or a bMarketing: Uh so , so it'sreally the beep or , or a light should blink .Industrial Designer: so that we can go {disfmarker}Project Manager: So if lost {disfmarker} If lost uh signal with bthrow signal , you know .User Interface: Should haIndustrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: A fluorescent signal , yeah .Marketing: Mm 'kay .Industrial Designer:Yeah , maybe it should have a light so that we can , we can just recognise where it is .Project Manager: Exactly , I mean just {vocalsound} that's what I'm saying.Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah . May not be beep .Project Manager: I'm just saying throw signal meaning just whether it's a beep or whether a light or{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Beep or uh it's a light , maybe it's a light .Marketing: And do you think a good c c um clue for that is that it would respond to aclap or it would respond to your voice or it would respond {disfmarker} what what should you have to do to make it beep or blink ?Project Manager: Okay , my{disfmarker} my idea is maybe that the minute it's really hidden , in in other words if it's like in a dark spot , uh meaning you know like a newspaper is on top , asweater is on top or it it's behind a plant , at that moment it's it's like , it's like um , what you call it {disfmarker} a light s sensors , you know ?Marketing:"}
{"doc_id":"doc_108","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Uh fourth meeting . {vocalsound}User Interface: We have to do what ?Project Manager: Some extra deciding .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} W what ? Alri alright . We'll see .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Well {disfmarker}User Interface: Oh .Project Manager: {gap} I'll show you thenotes again . Very interesting .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well you'll you two will uh present us your prototype .Industrial Designer: Yeah.Project Manager: Then um {disfmarker} I guess that's your bit ? I I didn't s see anything about it ,Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: so {vocalsound} I alreadyuh thought you uh you were {gap} to do that .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So the you're uh {gap} .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: I'll show you how we're going to do with financing this uh design .User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer: Yeah , that's important too . Yeah .{vocalsound}Project Manager: And then we'll evaluate , after after we have redesigned it .User Interface: {vocalsound} Bit late . {vocalsound}Project Manager:Because uh well we'll see about the costs . Um we'll uh evaluate our p our uh production and then uh we can close .Industrial Designer: Alright .Project Manager:Well the finance uh we'll do later , so um firstly uh {vocalsound} I'll show you the notes . {vocalsound} I don't think it's very interesting . {vocalsound}UserInterface: I think it is .Project Manager: Oh nei . Uh no . {vocalsound} Alright . This is copy paste . So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: From me of course , yeah.Project Manager: Of course . You had some very strange layout .Industrial Designer: Well from us all , yeah , from all of us . Yeah . {vocalsound} It's a nicechorus , yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Well um {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: We ge we wentthrough the agenda ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: and well we had some uh some presentations from you three . And uh I summarisedwhat you said to us . So uh I don't think it's very interesting and go through it again .Industrial Designer: Repeat it yeah . Alright .Project Manager: So uh{disfmarker} This is what we decided . It's also copy paste from what we made together . So we still know that .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: And then uhwe can we can uh use the time better . Well uh next you two will uh present uh the pot prototype for us .Industrial Designer: Alright , we both uh will ?ProjectManager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Or one of us will ?User Interface: {vocalsound} Alright .Industrial Designer: Uh {disfmarker}User Interface: No you go andI'll uh supplement you .Industrial Designer: Alright . If I make mistakes uh you'll uh {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: Correct .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Right . Uh well this is our design .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh it's pretty uh much uh like uh Mike draw uhdrew uh the in the during the last meeting . With uh the different uh perspectives of it . Uh we'll begin uh with the front . We have of course uh the the roundshape uh the round uh basic shape . Um with uh the upper part being the front . Th So there's this part um {vocalsound} which is made of hard plastic , the front. And uh we're we're using different colours . Of course for the launch we use the basic ugly colours ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer:and later we'll put out uh more interesting covers with different patterns and pictures and everything .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Butbasically , different colours , bright colours not black , too dark . Fancy colours . {vocalsound} Um then we have uh the lower part {vocalsound} of the of thedevice . Uh which is of course um part of the back actually , because it's also titanium . You can see it also on the on the on the side view , that only this part isthe front , and the rest of it , the under uh the under side uh of it , yeah , the back side and the lower part of the front is of course titanium made of titanium ,and has the titanium colour of course , the look . Um then we have uh on back on the front uh the logo in the upper corner ,Project Manager: Mm .IndustrialDesigner: uh which is uh made uh which is also part of the back , part of the titanium uh titanium part .User Interface: Yeah , it's a double R_ , but{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah ?User Interface: It's a double R_ .Industrial Designer: It's a double R_ . Yeah the logo {disfmarker}User Interface: But{vocalsound} it's very difficult to to draw that in {disfmarker} Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah , alright .Industrial Designer: Uh uh it's difficult to draw so small , butit's our double R_ uh logo is in there .Project Manager: Okay . Yeah .Industrial Designer: Um so that's the logo in the upper lef uh right corner . Then we have thebuttons . Uh it's difficult to draw again the little oval or round {disfmarker} I think oval will be better for the for the d for the different uh channel buttons .UserInterface: Oval yeah .Project Manager: Alright .Industrial Designer: So {gap} uh oval , n those are here . And then we have the m The mUser Interface: Channelup and volume ?Industrial Designer: Yeah the the con the the the , yeah , the t volume and the channel controls uh in the middle here . Um um with kind of arrowshapes , which makes it also a bit more exciting than basic round or um uh {vocalsound} uh square buttons . And also here are the two uh buttons we agreed on. We have the Okay button . Oh nei we uh the Okay button's here in the middle of the of the operators , of the channel and uh volume um changers .ProjectManager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: And then we've here the Menu button and the {disfmarker}Project Manager: Alright .UserInterface: Menu for the L_C_D_ screen .Industrial Designer: And the video button . The {disfmarker}Project Manager: So {disfmarker}Marketing: Mm right .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah . And of course this low part , this is the L_C_D_ screen .Project Manager: 'Kay .Industrial Designer: Uh this iswhat we made of it . You can make uh suggestions uh if you want .Project Manager: Well if I look at it , the side the side view {disfmarker}User Interface: Well ,at the back {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Maybe we maybe we should finish first uh our talkUser Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: and thenyou can add suggestions .Project Manager: Oh yeah alright . Yeah {gap} .Industrial Designer: Maybe I I don't want to {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I don't want tosuppress you but n I'll uh finish this uh quick .Project Manager: {gap}Industrial Designer: Um okay I've had everything I guess on the front ?User Interface: Nothe back . With the logo and our uh l uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah the back . Yeah . {vocalsound} We thought about {disfmarker} Yeah , uh theback is of course totally titanium . {vocalsound} And we thought about the logo big in the middle .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Just so againthe double R_ . We have then the logo on front and on the back .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Maybe that's too muchProject Manager: Okay.Industrial Designer: but you have to say uh say that if you think that way .User Interface: No I don't think {disfmarker} And the {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: And the company slogan , we thought in a kind of arc shape uh above the logo .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: That'sbasically what we were thinking about ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .Industrial Designer: and {disfmarker}Project Manager: WUser Interface: And aboutthe side view um {disfmarker} This the front won't be as thick ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: but again th the the drawing technique makes itvery difficult to to really uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Well I see , but {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Oh and uh before I forget . Yeah the the voice , ofcourse ,Project Manager: Well . Yeah I see it .Industrial Designer: the voice recorder is uh at the bottom .Project Manager: Yes .Industrial Designer: And you canrecord it uh using , yeah , the the the back of the f w device .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: When I look at uh when I look at this side view , I think wwhen I have that in my hand , it's terrible .User Interface: Well , it won't be visible . Mm ?Project Manager: If if you look if if this this is thick , and this is thin , thth then it that it lies over your hands . But {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Why ? {vocalsound} Well it fits uh it it it it fits the hand , {vocalsound}UserInterface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: mean uh the the the the {disfmarker}Project Manager: Well what what what I what I agree is that when uh when um youhave such of uh an arc in the middle , so that the the a the ends and the fronts is a bit thicker , so th then it falls over your hands .Marketing: Yeah , I agree .UserInterface: {gap} If y {vocalsound} If you handle a remote , you you usually don't have your hand straight like this .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} In themiddle in the {disfmarker}User Interface: You you have it a bit uh {disfmarker} Yeah .Marketing: It depends on the size . If it's kinda small , this is is great . Butif it's it's larger , then you want to grab it .Project Manager: And how large is it ?User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah , that's the question .Industrial Designer:That's the question .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh well {disfmarker} Yeah . H What do you suggest I meanwe do ? {gap} This was Mike's prototype ,Project Manager: Well uh {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and y you seemed to agreed on it.Project Manager: Well the sides I haven't seen yet , uh {gap} ?Industrial Designer: But now you have a totally different {gap} .User Interface: Well , they laythere all the time .Industrial Designer: The size ? Yeah well the size doesn't really matter w I mean {disfmarker}Project Manager: They the the the the the sideview ,Industrial Designer: Side ? Uh oh the side ?Project Manager: we didn't uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: W we we he drew the s the side ,User Interface:Yeah yeah .Industrial Designer: but you d you weren't paying attention as usual .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:Well any case , we'll discuss it now . Uh I think uh this is a pretty good uh good idea {gap} .Marketing: Yeah , I agree with the L_C_D_ screen . You have it inyour palm like this , and you can watch uh watch the screen . And if you have it li in the middle , your hand might be over it .Project Manager: Yeah .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: But you you hold it like this .User Interface: Yeah you you don't you don't grab it ,Industrial Designer: You're notholding it like this or something .User Interface: you you {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: You , yeah , y How do you call it ? Yeah .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Well y y y you don't have it like this .Project Manager: No no no .Industrial Designer: You have it more like this .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {gap} You you you're using buttons this way , or if you're right-handed , this way .Marketing: Like you're holdingyour telephone .Project Manager: Yep .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: So you {disfmarker} Yeah . So {disfmarker}Marketing: Because if you have a"}
{"doc_id":"doc_109","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay . So , now um , {vocalsound} last time . Can you uh {vocalsound} push the button ? {vocalsound} One time please . So {disfmarker}{vocalsound} I'm still the secretary . Now uh , I ask you to presentate the prototype . One of your {disfmarker} you two .User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: I don't care . {vocalsound}User Interface: Oh this , you mean ?Project Manager: Yes . The prototype .Industrial Designer: Huh ?User Interface: Yes ,well uh this is it . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} This is it .Project Manager: Well , thank you . Uh , now{disfmarker}User Interface: It's uh it's uh it's yellow . And uh , this is rubber . And and and this too . TheProject Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: the sides.Project Manager: Yes .User Interface: And the rest is hard plastic . And uh {disfmarker} We uh we had some uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker} We had a new idea{vocalsound} that that this can uh can be uh uh turned inside .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: And then it covers the {disfmarker} thesebuttonsProject Manager: Okay .User Interface: until here or something .Marketing: Yes .User Interface: And then you can still use the the power button and themute and the the joystick .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: So , you can still operate uh all the things . Because you don't always use the menu . Andthen it can break .Project Manager: Okay . And the buttons ?User Interface: Uh , well uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Big . {vocalsound}User Interface: Bigbuttons . And everything is blue , except the power button . And the mute . Of uh {disfmarker} yeah , and the mute and the the other button . {vocalsound}Yeah . Channel higher channel button .Industrial Designer: {gap} .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: And the joystick is for the volume and the channels .UserInterface: Uh , yes . Yes ,Industrial Designer: Yes .User Interface: that's uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Veryobvious .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Up is channel up . Down is channel down . To the right is volume up . To the left is volume down.User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay , so if joystick and L_C_D_ . What's the R_R_ {gap} d {vocalsound}User Interface: R_R_'s the l the the the thecompany uh logo .Industrial Designer: The R_R_ ?Project Manager: Okay . Very good .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So , we have{disfmarker}Marketing: That's on the rub rubber part .User Interface: Uh , yes . Yes . That's about here .Project Manager: So , what they say on the side is putfashion there . Yes . It's good .User Interface: Oh .Project Manager: So , that's it . That's prototype .Marketing: Yeah ?Project Manager: Now , the finance .{vocalsound} We don't know if it's {disfmarker} th it {disfmarker} if it's okay .Marketing: Alright . {vocalsound}Project Manager: So , I'm gonna look.Marketing: Do we {disfmarker}Project Manager: We have {disfmarker}Marketing: Do we change the {disfmarker}Project Manager: Sorry ?Marketing: Do wechange the the order ? Or are we going to uh ev evaluate it first ?Project Manager: Finance is um {disfmarker} Yeah it's {disfmarker} No , first uh {disfmarker}Yes . We have to evaluate the product yet .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Sorry .Marketing: That's uh um {disfmarker} {gap} That can be none . Um , wegonna do the evaluation now , together . But I have uh a introduction how it works . So , it will come up . Uh-oh . Okay . Um , yeah . Well , we uh {disfmarker}uh , I have um thinked a few evaluation uh criterias , uh based on um our marketing strategy , on uh the latest trends , on user preferences . Uh , we have aseven point scale from uh true , as well . To false , seven ? And on base of each c uh criteria , we need to um give a rating . We can uh {disfmarker} Well , it looklike this . But we gonna uh do it here , they said . {vocalsound} So , you hope found out how to do it with a Word document . Yeah . Okay , yeah . Yeah . Um ,well uh we have the Word documentProject Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Criteria .Marketing: You {disfmarker}{gap} So we open up that blank here . Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Think I can {disfmarker} Uh , what this just an example . So , this not very important .But um , if I can get a number in here . Hmm .Project Manager: No , it's okay .Marketing: Well , uh we can't do that .Industrial Designer: I'll get it .ProjectManager: Oh , it's okay .Marketing: Um , so uh you have to think of it as uh the remote control is techno technologically innovative . Uh , and then we have to uhagree on the rating together . And in the end , we will c uh count an average of all rating . The first uh on each item .Project Manager: What do you think?Marketing: Yeah , I think it's uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Uh , well technologically using , it's not uh {disfmarker} it doesn't contain many new features . Onlythe L_C_D_ . So , it {disfmarker} Um , I think I will give it a {disfmarker} yeah , yeah , yeah {gap} , a four . Hmm .Industrial Designer: I think the scroll-buttonis something also uh new . What uh {disfmarker} not anoth uh ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: not a lot of uh {disfmarker} a lot of uh remotecontrols have . I think technologically I'll give it an seven . Si six six .Project Manager: {gap} Yeah .Industrial Designer: Sorry , six .Marketing: So now i I thinkyou uh see it {gap} um its statement .Industrial Designer: Oh , true or false .Marketing: And you {gap} true or false .Industrial Designer: Oh , uh I'll I'll give ituh a t a two .Marketing: And true is one . So , yeah . Yeah .Project Manager: Two .Industrial Designer: Sorry .Project Manager: You ?User Interface: Three.Project Manager: Me too . So it's a three .Marketing: 'Kay . Um , well {disfmarker} It's a one . {vocalsound} The first item . So , okay the second item . Um , thisproduct is for all sorts of customers .User Interface: Mm {disfmarker}Marketing: Well , it's a statement which uh I disagree with , because we uh really aim uh atat young market and I think the way it looked uh c uh totally in yellow , it's not uh really aimed for all customers . It doesn't look like that .Project Manager: Soit's a {disfmarker}Marketing: That's uh a six .Industrial Designer: Five .User Interface: Mm , four .Project Manager: Yes , it's for the younger g group . So it's uhhalf half of the people .User Interface: Yeah , but it's it's {disfmarker}Project Manager: So I think it's four .User Interface: Yeah . I mean it still has l large buttonsand not m many buttons .Project Manager: No .User Interface: So {disfmarker} I mean , the colours are for young people ,Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .UserInterface: butProject Manager: Yes . So , I think it's four .User Interface: older {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer:Maybe version uh three point O_ uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} has other colours . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Maybe .Project Manager: Okay . Give it a four .Industrial Designer: Four .Project Manager: Yep .Marketing: Four . Uh , okay . Mm .Project Manager: We put thefashion in electronics .Marketing: That's uh the motto of our company . Yeah , well do we do this with uh this product ? I um {disfmarker} Yeah . I think if we dothis , as it's uh uh c uh it's really orientates on the design . Um , so I would give it a two .Industrial Designer: Me too a two , because only the battery is not uhtechin uh technologically high standard . But the rest of it is . So , I think a two .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yes . Two .Project Manager: Uh , Isay uh a five .Marketing: Two .Project Manager: It's not fashion , it's new . It must be a fashion . But it isn't .Industrial Designer: It {disfmarker} it will be fashion.Project Manager: Yes . It w If it's not a fashion we can put it in it . So , it must be a fashion . I think it's a five .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Okay .User Interface: Then make it th three .Marketing: Okay . Yes , I'll think of that too.Project Manager: No . Oh .Industrial Designer: 'Kay . Three is okay .Marketing: Yeah , agree ?Project Manager: I use my feet though . {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Oh , we'll wait outside .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} A three .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: The next element um is the product looks good . Well personally , I do not prefer a um remote control that's fully in yellow . So , I wouldgive this a five .Industrial Designer: I give it a one . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {gap} . Yes , a one . Ilike it .Project Manager: Well , I say three . So , counting then is two and a half . {vocalsound}Marketing: We have to do our uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:Say two .Marketing: Two or three ?Project Manager: Okay , two .Industrial Designer: Two .Marketing: Two . Okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Marketing: So , well we gonna do the next part . Uh , yep . Uh uh , the next statement . It has not too much buttons . Um , yeah , I I haveuh said is not because uh a low number is better . And in the end we calculate an average . So , um that's why it's a negative in it . Um , well this one of our aimsnot have too much buttons . So , um uh did we uh do that ? Well , uh if we go to {vocalsound} uh this fashion , I {disfmarker} We still have caused uh a lot of uhbuttons for the numbers . But you can you can go for that . And um that way , you don't have a lot of buttons over . So , I would give this a two .IndustrialDesigner: One .Project Manager: {vocalsound} You ?User Interface: One . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Me too . One .Marketing: One . {vocalsound} Um , but{vocalsound} where where is the {gap} ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Next , six . It does not get lost easily .Marketing: So {disfmarker}Yeah , did we implement uh the sound ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}User Interface: Yes . {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Just a small thing . {vocalsound}Project Manager: No , we did not . So , but can it get lost if it's such a thing ?User Interface:Yeah , but uh {disfmarker} Yeah .Industrial Designer: Ah . Yellow .Project Manager: I don't think so .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Looks like apistol .Project Manager: Yes . Not a not a normal shapes . So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Uh {disfmarker} It won't get between uh the pillows uh on thecouch .Project Manager: No . It won't get lost .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Uh {disfmarker}Marketing: It won't.Project Manager: A one ? {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah , o one .Project Manager: Okay , a one .Marketing: One .Project Manager:Next .Marketing: Okay , um well we aimed for the younger market .Project Manager: {gap}Marketing: Uh yeah , did we achieve that . I think with the way itlooks and um it is designed , I will give it a two .Project Manager: Yeah me {disfmarker} {gap}Industrial Designer: Yeah . Me too .Project Manager: That was our"}
{"doc_id":"doc_110","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: {vocalsound} So um nice to see you again . Uh . So , uh . Tod uh for this meeting I will take the notes and do the minutes . Uh so we will seeour three presentations . Um we will start with the uh Manager Expert wi who will talk about uh user re requirements , whats user needs and what it desire forthis devi device .Marketing: Okay , can I have the laptop over here , or ?Project Manager: Yep . Oh , I don't think so . I think you have to come here .Marketing:Okay . Have to get up . {vocalsound}Project Manager: I dunno . I think it should stay .Marketing: Excuse me .Industrial Designer: Yeah , that's it .ProjectManager: {gap}Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay .Project Manager: Should stay in the square here . {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Oh , maybe.Marketing: Okay , so basically I'm gonna present some findings of a study we conducted uh into uh what users want in this remote control .Project Manager: Oh, you can put it here . Oh that's okay , it's jusMarketing: Um so first of all we {disfmarker} what we did is we um conducted a an experiment with a hundred testsubjects . Um we put them in a in our um usability laboratory and got them to , you know , um play with remote controls , and also to complete , after they'ddone that , to complete a questionnaire uh to tell us what they like and what they don't like in remote controls . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} So basically um themajor things we found out was that um basically users don't like the look and feel of of most remote controls that are currently on the market . Um they , youknow , seventy five percent of the people we we uh did the experiments on , found that rem remote the remote controls that they'd used in the past were ugly .Completely ugly . Um they they didn't match the operating behaviour of the user , that is , you know , the the way users use remote controls when they'rewatching T_V_ . Um , that the layout of the remote controls didn't match they way that they used it . Um and thirdly they say that w half of the users that we umtested said that they only used ten percent of the buttons that uh are on remote controls . Um so we collect we also some collected some usage statistics uhbased on how these test subjects were using their remote control . And from this we basically came up with the figure that the channel buttons , the channelselection buttons are the most {disfmarker} by far the most used buttons on the remote control . Um and you can see they're used a hundred and sixty eighttimes per hour on average , um , while the user's watching T_V_ .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Um the closestbutton that was used , well the cl the button that was used that was closest to the channel button was the teletext button , um which was used fourteen times perhour , followed by the volume button , which was four times per hour , um , all the other , all the other um buttons , such as ch um audio and picture selectionum configuration buttons and things were used , you know , l approx well less than or equal to one times per hour . Um we also asked users um which buttonshad the most importance to them , you know , which which buttons they felt were the most important buttons on on the remote control . And basically they came{disfmarker} they said the channel , volume , and power buttons had the highest relevance to users , um note that only power was very infrequently used , itonly had a b a a fr usage frequency of about one times per hour , but users ranked it as having a very very high relevance . Um and the audio and picture settingshad a very {disfmarker} that well the users thought that um w the audio and picture settings were very uh weren't very important to them um , and they usedthem very infrequently a as well . {vocalsound} So we asked users what what um frustrates them the most about um current remote controls . And fifty percentof the users said that uh what frustrates them is losing the remote control um somewhere in the room and not being able to find it . Um {vocalsound} they alsosaid that it um it takes a lot of time to learn a new remote control , especially when there's many buttons and it's a , you know , a c a a unintuitive interface . Umand then thirdly , they {disfmarker} some users commented on the fact that the the you know the way that you have to hold and press buttons on a remotecontrol ar are bad and um cause u repetitive strain injury . {vocalsound} We also asked some users about some specific features that they'd like to see in the{disfmarker} on the remote control . In particular , do they want an L_C_D_ d display , and secondly , do they think speech recognition uh is a useful feature tohave on a remote control .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Um basically our findings are that um amongst a younger age groups uh the answer is umvoverwhelmingly yes . They want these features , they want these high technology features .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Um for instance , ninetyone percent of pe of people aged between fifteen and twenty five said yes , they want these features . Whereas um {vocalsound} the the trend was as users asusers um became older and older uh they were less likely to want these sort of features in a um in a remote control . So I guess it depends on where we'refocusing our our market . Um and as our company motto is putting fashion in electronics , um I think we're focusing on the younger younger um targetdemographic , and so maybe we should think about adding these sort of high technology features into our remote control .Project Manager: Hmm .Marketing:That's my dic that's my presentation . Thank you .Project Manager: Thank you .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: So , ummaybe now we can talk about a user interface and uh about the technical function of this device . So uh Pet Peter , can you talk say something about that?Industrial Designer: Well , okay , yeah . Yeah , but the user user interface is responsible .Project Manager: No .User Interface: B you think uh I I'm UserInterface Manager .Project Manager: Ah .Industrial Designer: Okay , so {gap} .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Sorry , I'm {disfmarker}Sorry . Sorry .User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay . Okay .Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: If I could go there with this cable .Industrial Designer: You'rescaring me with L_C_D_ man . And speech recognition in remote unit , it will be very e expensive .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah , it's true , but , you know ,they're features that users want ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: so it's {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: And our production costof twelve fifty Euros per per unit is fairly high I think ,User Interface: {gap}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: so I think we can afford to to add these sort offeatures into our remote .Industrial Designer: At least we have couple of months t to work on it so so it will be cheaper finally . {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound} Sh okay . {gap}Marketing: It is true .User Interface: Where's delete button ? Okay . Oh I'm sorry . {vocalsound} {gap}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: {gap} Okay .Marketing: That's the wrong one , I think .Project Manager: Yeah , it's still Bob Morris .UserInterface: Oh . Presentation three ?Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah you should have put yes .Industrial Designer: Because you cancelled it . Yeah .ProjectManager: Click on yes .User Interface: Oh . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {gap} yeah .Industrial Designer: Yep .User Interface: Okay , so here is mypresentation about technical function design . I will talk about different components and s of system and how they react together . Okay , uh , first what is aremote control ? Simply it's a device , as you know , for uh , for sending some commands by some waves to uh another device to to tell different commands uhwith this device . And the main idea we don't use any cable and we can rec react simpler with the device . Uh i it has different blocks , different blocks . Uh first isremote control have sh ha should have some electric circuits uh making interface with uh keyboard and uh r reading uh keyboard and reading the keyboard uhcommands . And then inter then make uh these keyboard commands , uh in interpret these int uh keyboard commands . And then there should be uh anelectronic circuit making uh electronic signals according to these commands and uh finally there is a transmitter which is a cord or a a diode making uh making uhwaves to transmit through the air and uh uh this air this uh wave uh will be received by the by the other device like a television or whatever , to uh r to realise thecommand . Okay , {vocalsound} uh about {disfmarker} what I found about uh different uh these different blocks are uh , usually there are two different methodsuh to {disfmarker} for designing a remote control . They are based on infra-red uh waves or uh uh radio waves .Industrial Designer: You still want me thepresentation .User Interface: There are two different uh uh solutions I mean . This is uh this can be uh uh the the differences the th between different kind ofwaves , infra-red or radio waves . And uh also as uh I understood , and uh I think it was a part of uh Bob , uh uh presentation , people prefer to have uh to haveuh the remote control with less button . So for the electronic part , working and interfacing , with button , we should we should try to t try to design a remotecontrol having uh some some simpler buttons or some rolling buttons to just to just to search between different options , and showing o something on T_V_ andputting less lesser stuff on the uh on the remote control . And uh personal preferences , uh uh uh uh certainly a remote control with {disfmarker} uh working withradio waves is uh preferred because uh you can pr you can take it in any direction and you don't need to tune it any way . And uh uh again , using bigger buttonsand less number of buttons are also preferred , as I see . Okay . That was my presentation .Marketing: Okay . I have a question .User Interface: Uh-huh.Marketing: Do you think radio waves um will interfere with other appliances in the home ?User Interface: Uh , I don't think so , because uh we can make uh weca we can make this wave in a specific frequency . So they can be in a range which is not inter interfering with the {vocalsound} with other devices inside thehome .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: So can we use any any frequency ?Industrial Designer: Yeah , it should be okay {gap} .Project Manager: We have theright to use any frequency ?User Interface: Uh no but as I know , there is a range for uh for this uh f for for uh for this stuff , for designing this circuit . We can wecan we can tune our uh transmitter to work in this range , and for this range we don't need to ask any permission .Project Manager: Okay . And what happen withuh radio waves when two neighbours have the same {disfmarker} have our remote control , for example ? And so do they have the same frequency , or ?UserInterface: Uh for this I'm not uh I I don't know the solution , but one solution can be something like putting uh p password or something inside the wave , so theonly your T_V_ can understand itProject Manager: Okay . A kind of identification {gap} ,User Interface: Yeah , identification code inside the"}
{"doc_id":"doc_111","qid":"","text":"Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and Education Committee. We've received apologies for absence from SuzyDavies and there is no substitute. Janet Finch-Saunders is joining us from the Assembly offices in Colwyn Bay via video conference. Can I ask Members if thereare any declarations of interest, please? No. Okay. Item 2, then, this morning is a post-legislative scrutiny session on the Higher Education (Wales) Act 2015. I'mvery pleased to welcome Kirsty Williams AM, Minister for Education, and Huw Morris, who is director of the skills, higher education and lifelong learning group inWelsh Government. Thank you, both, for attending, and thank you for the paper that you provided in advance. I will just start the questioning by asking whetheryou are planning to repeal the 2015 higher education Act, or will it be amended by the post-compulsory education and training Bill?Kirsty Williams AM: Thank youvery much, Chair. I'm very pleased to be with the committee again this morning, although it's in slightly unusual circumstances. As a piece of post-legislativescrutiny, this was a Bill that was taken forward by a different Minister in a different administration, but I think it is really valuable work in the context of thequestion you just set out: what can we learn from the implementation of this piece of legislation as we move forward with our reform journey and with thisGovernment and my proposals to introduce a new commission for tertiary education? There is much, at the moment, that lies within the 2015 Act that we willlook to bring forward into the new legislation, but there are certainly experiences—and I'm sure we'll come on to some of the evidence that has been receivedabout what's worked, what perhaps hasn't worked—that we all want to reflect on and be mindful of as we take forward the new Bill, including the report of thiscommittee as part of it. So, it is our intention that this Bill will be superceded by the new PCETR Bill.Lynne Neagle AM: Okay, thank you. We've got a series ofquestions now from Siân Gwenllian.Sian Gwenllian AM: Good morning. Do you believe that the Act has fulfilled all the Government's objectives? Where are theweaknesses?Kirsty Williams AM: Diolch yn fawr, Siân. As I've said, it's a bit difficult to place myself in the mind of the previous Minister when this legislation wasfirst envisaged and then taken through. You'll be aware that there were four main reasons for the introduction of the Bill: around regulation of institutions inWales; safeguarding the contribution made to public good arising from Welsh Government's financial support for the sector; maintaining a focus on fair access;and preserving and protecting the principle of institutional autonomy. I think the evidence that has been received by the committee to date shows that there aredifferent views about the effectiveness of whether all four strategic aims have been achieved. I think those strategic aims are still really, really important andcertainly will underpin our thought process going forward, but we have to recognise the higher education and research Bill across the border in England, theimplementation of new student support measures in Wales, as well as the report that was done by Ellen Hazelkorn, I think, means it is appropriate that we moveforward with different proposals, not just regulation of the HE sector but the post-compulsory sector as a whole. We will look to see what we can do to strengthenor whether there is more that we need to do to achieve those four objectives, because I think those four objectives are still very, very relevant. But we have tohave legislation now that is fit for the circumstances we currently find ourselves in and, hopefully, futureproofs us for how we want to see the sector develop inthe future.Sian Gwenllian AM: Do you feel perhaps that the legislation itself hasn't been strong enough, and that you then have had to drive some of theseobjectives through the annual remit letter, rather than through legislation, and that's why the strengthening is required?Kirsty Williams AM: Certainly, I see theremit letter as a really, really important way in which national priorities and the priorities of an elected Government can be clearly stated, communicated to theHigher Education Funding Council for Wales, and then HEFCW use their powers to ensure that that happens. So, certainly, I see the remit letter as being a veryimportant mechanism for ensuring, as I said, that those national priorities are clearly articulated, and then change happens.Sian Gwenllian AM: Has the currentlegislation been framed around institutional autonomy so that it's not possible for institutions to fulfil any national outcomes, and is that going to be an element ofthe new Bill?Kirsty Williams AM: Well, certainly, the 2015 Act contains numerous provisions that protect universities' privileges and autonomy. And that's reallyimportant, and those are principles that I am committed to in any legislation that I bring forward. We'll certainly be looking to see how we can carry thoseprotections into the forthcoming Bill, but, at the same time, we do have to ensure appropriate regulation and accountability of institutions for their public fundingand the privileges that they enjoy. And I think there are a number of ways in which that can happen. We have a very positive working relationship with the HigherEducation Funding Council for Wales, and I am very fortunate to have a very positive working relationship with the sector. The remit letters are a really importantway in which we can lay out those national priorities. I don't think there's anything in the legislation per se that prevents those national priorities being articulatedand being acted upon.Sian Gwenllian AM: I don't think that's what HEFCW has said in their evidence. They've said that the Bill has been framed in a way whereit's not possible for institutions to fulfil any requirements. You're talking about the remit letter; maybe you need to have that discussion there, but, in terms of theBill itself, you can't make them fulfil any national outcomes. Shouldn't there be a discussion looking to move in a direction where there are national outcomesbeing set through legislation, because there is public money going into that?Kirsty Williams AM: Well, I don't know whether we need national outcomes throughlegislation, because those national priorities, potentially, will change over time. What is really important, and what we will be seeking to do in the new legislation,is look to move to a system of outcome agreements. So, there is a very clear expectation that the commission will have, in regulating the sector, andco-ordinating and funding the sector, to create a system of outcome agreements, where those outputs will reflect national priorities, and that's one of the thingsthat we've consulted on, and will look to take forward in the new legislation.Sian Gwenllian AM: Okay. That's clear enough. What about private providers? TheAct, or the Act as it stands, makes it a requirement for a regulated institution to be a charity, and that means it's not possible to regulate alternative privateproviders under the Act, even though they can provide higher education in Wales. What is your view on this, and will the new legislation continue with therequirement of being a charity?Kirsty Williams AM: Okay. So, I think, first of all, it's important to make the distinction between the scale of private providers, andwhat could be termed as 'unregulated providers' in the Welsh system, as opposed to the English system. And I think that's a really important distinction to make.So, currently, under the current legislation, unregulated providers can only access Welsh Government student support if they're designated on a case-by-casebasis. So, we do have a circumstance where—and a process in place, to manage this. So, we have a specific designation policy, which is operated on our behalf byHEFCW. Only six organisations were designated on a case-by-case basis in the 2018-19 academic year, so the scale here is small. Three of those were furthereducation colleges. So, when we talk about a private provider, perhaps people would have a view of a private university, but, actually, three of those were FEcolleges, which we would all be familiar with. And the three private providers were the Centre for Alternative Technology, the training arm of the Church in Walesand the Newport and District Group Training Association. All three of those are actual charities. So, in order for their courses to be specifically designated, thethree crucial questions that those providers have to answer are: quality—is what they’re providing to students of a good quality; the financial viability of theinstitution, again, to try to protect the interests of the students who may find themselves embarking on a course in an institution that isn’t viable; as well as theircontribution to private—sorry, not to private good—public good. And we are considering how that part of the sector will be regulated in the forthcominglegislation. But, Huw, I don't know if there's anything else to add?Huw Morris: Well, just to say that there are a very small number of private providers, as theMinister has outlined, and, in comparison with England, where I think the last figures said that there were between 300 and 400 private providers in England, youget a sense of the differences that exist there. And, if you look at what happened over recent years, it has been those small private providers across the UK whohave been most financially challenged and a number of them have stopped their operations, with consequences for the students. So, we’ve been keen to putstudents at the front of things to make sure that the institutions that they’re enrolling with are strong and have good quality.Sian Gwenllian AM: Okay. So, whatyou're saying is that you will continue with a charitable status, or not—Kirsty Williams AM: At this stage—Sian Gwenllian AM: —or are you still thinking aboutit?Kirsty Williams AM: Well, at this stage, I think the charitable status will continue to be an important part of what we will take forward.Sian Gwenllian AM: Justturning finally to part-time fees and postgraduate fees, do you have an intention to regulate this part in the new legislation?Kirsty Williams AM: I have to say that,at present, we've not identified an urgent reason to designate these courses as qualifying courses for the purposes of a fee limit. And there are a number ofreasons for that. Actually, the current Act—the 2015 Act—does not permit the fee regulation of postgraduate courses, other than PGCE courses for IT purposes. Inthe case of part-time courses, I'm currently content that fee levels are not exceeding the amount of student support made available by the Welsh Government.So, I think we are, at this moment, relaxed about that, and there are some difficulties around deciding and introducing fee limits on postgraduate courses. I thinkwhat's really important to me is the success at the moment of attracting people to postgraduate and part-time study in Wales, as a result of our reforms tostudent finance. But, clearly, we'll need to keep that under review. But, at this current moment, the Act precludes fee regulation in some areas and there's not apressing policy need that we've identified to date.Lynne Neagle AM: Okay. Thank you. Okay, we're going to move on now to some questions about the level ofambition in the higher education Act and any lessons for the PCET Bill, from Janet Finch-Saunders.Janet Finch-Saunders AM: Thank you. To what extent has the"}
{"doc_id":"doc_112","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay . Right . Conceptual design meeting . Right . Okay , so {disfmarker} Right well um from the last meeting {vocalsound} I was trying tosend you the minutes , but uh it didn't work out too well , so maybe in sort of um quick summary of the last uh meeting , I can quickly give you what we what wehad .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh right , so {disfmarker} Wishing I hadn't closed the damn {disfmarker} Right so we had the fact that we'regonna have the the logo uh the company logo in its uh colour scheme incorporated onto the the device the remote device . We had uh made our decisions aboutuh made our decisions about uh the device itself , that it was gonna be simple to make it uh enable us to complete the project in time . We're gonna have uheffectively two pages , a front page which had the uh features that the uh the customers most wanted , and then the uh the backup features on the second pageso that it could uh meet the technical requirements . And the customers wouldn't have to look at them too often , only as and when required . So . So basicallywhat decisions uh have we uh made ? Uh have there been any uh changes ?Industrial Designer: I think we all have a presentation again ,Project Manager: Right.Industrial Designer: so if we go through those and then umMarketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Three presentation , yeah .Industrial Designer: {gap} . Shall I gofirst again ? {gap}Project Manager: So {disfmarker} Yeah , fine .Marketing: Okay .Industrial Designer: I see {gap} this a little more smoothly than the last one .{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay right , let's get started . Um basically the uh for the {disfmarker} Um I'll {gap} backactually . For the components design , um next step is basically the the way the remote's gonna work is still the same idea as before . We still have the userinterface which is all the buttons we're gonna incorporate . Then there is a chip and still the sender . So um yes {gap} including the power s supply as well . UmI'll go on to my findings in each of these areas . Uh first in the power supply , we have the option of just the standard battery , um . {vocalsound} There's adynamo . Any of you think of kind of like the the old torches which you wind up {gap} um . There's a kinetic option , which if any of you've seen those newwatches which you kind of you power up by waving around , um it just requires a small amount of movement which would mean the batteries wouldn't have to bereplaced . Um that's one option ,Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: but I think that was gonna cost a little more . And then there's solar cells . Um as afinal option . For the buttons , we have um an integrated push button , which is {disfmarker} Oh just to say all all these are um supplied by Real Reaction . So Iguess for the ease of for quickness and ease we should take them from at least like one of these options .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Um so forthe buttons there's an integrated push button , which I guess is just the same as the standard ones . This says it's uh similar to uh the button on the mouse for anormal {disfmarker} for like uh like modern computer . Um there's a scroll wheel which is {disfmarker} you know the new mouse has just got like the centresection which you can scroll up and down , which may be for the volume .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: You could do do that .Marketing:Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Um one issue for the buttons is , depending on which material we use , if we use rubber buttons then it requires a rubber case , sowe have to take that into consideration . Um moving on to the printed sProject Manager: What would be the cost do do we know ?Industrial Designer: Um that'son the next {disfmarker}Project Manager: {gap}Industrial Designer: I th I think the there wasn't too much difference in the cost , that that related to the actualbuttons , but it does affect the printed circuit board . Um which is the next section . Basically for the circuit board which is the middle , it's just {disfmarker} see itdown there the chips like the like the workings of the actual um of the remote .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: The firm supplies a simple , aregular and an advanced um circuit board . And there's different prices according to each . So if we've got the scroll wheel for one of the buttons , that wouldrequire a slightly more advanced circuit board than if we just had a standard um push button .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Um one final thingwe came up with was some information on the speech recognition . There's a small unit available through the company um which obviously would be an extracost , but it wouldn't affect the size of the remote too much . Um and I guess that would require a more advanced circuit board , so there is an extra price in thatsense . There is th sorry an extra cost in that sense . Um going to my personal preferences , um I thought possibly for power we could use kinetic um which is theidea of the watches um that you move you move the remote around to power it up . And this would avoid batteries running out , having to replace batteries andsuch like . Um for the buttons , I thought we'd probably get away with just having the standard um push buttons rather than the scroll wheel . Um and for thecircuit board , again depends on which features we want in the actual in the remote . So if we wanted the scroll wheel and wanted the voice recognition , um thenwe'd have to get a a more costly circuit board . And that's it .Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: {gap} with the printed circuit boards you were going for the{disfmarker}User Interface: Thanks . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Um i it kind of depends um if we're gonna have the speech recognition , we'd have toprobably get an advanced one . I'm guessing .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Uh but I don't know , so that is something I'll have to look into.Project Manager: But are we going f R right .Industrial Designer: Um that's a that's a decision for all of us . Um .Project Manager: So are we able to make thatdecision now in a sense that this is the point at which we're discussing that issue ,Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah . We decide . Yeah .Marketing: Mm-hmm.Project Manager: so would it not be best to {disfmarker} rather than {disfmarker} I mean one way is to do each of the presentations and then make decisionsgoing back to the various presentations as they were . The other way would be to do the presentationMarketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: and then make thedecision at that point in time .Industrial Designer: Um . Maybe wUser Interface: Yeah , that's probably a better one , to discuss it straight away .Project Manager:'Cause at that point then you've got the details up there , so if we wanted to know for instance that the scroll wheel required the regular {gap} and what requiredadvance . Then if we were able to see that down then we could make the decision at that point in timeIndustrial Designer: Um .Project Manager: and then thatwould be the end of that issue . Does that make sense ?Industrial Designer: Yes .User Interface: {vocalsound} Um I have a lot of the information there.Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: It might not be very clear .Industrial Designer: Is there {disfmarker}User Interface: Unless you want to plug it back in toyours .Industrial Designer: Um . We could do , yeah . Um yeah we should {gap} .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: As I say it only specifiedthat we need a more advanced circuit board for the scroll wheel ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: it didn't {disfmarker} The voice recognitioncame as a separate piece of information . Um .Project Manager: No the scroll wheel required the regular , so the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah if if you{gap} down um . It's just this bit at the bottom which I've highlighted ,Project Manager: Hmm .Industrial Designer: but the scroll wheel requires a mini mminimally a regular chip ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: which is in the higher price range .Project Manager: Okay . The display requires anadvanced chipUser Interface: I think the scroll wheel um {disfmarker}Project Manager: the display requires an advanced chip which in turn is more expense.Industrial Designer: Also the display's for something else which we decided against . Um but that bit {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer:And note that the push button just requires a simple chip , so that would keep the price down .Project Manager: Down .User Interface: Yeah , and if we're goingfor sleek and sexy , I think a scroll wheel is maybe a bit kinda bulky ?Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: I I've got um pictures well I've seen pictures with itkind of sticking off the side of it ,Project Manager: Right . Okay .User Interface: and they don't really look great .Industrial Designer: 'Kay . So maybe just asimple push button , and that would cut costs on the {disfmarker}Project Manager: So . So we're going for p Okay . So {gap} is um {disfmarker}Marketing: Soare we going for the w are we going for the simple one , are we ?User Interface: Yeah , a simple pushbuttons .Project Manager: Simple push button .{vocalsound}Marketing: Okay .Industrial Designer: {gap} Did everyone get this on the speech recognition ? The um it was basically what we said before , theidea that you record in a set message , and then it picks up that message um and replies to you .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: So it is basically the concept we discussed before . Um but then we don't know for sure whether it would require a more complicated circuit board.Marketing: {gap}Industrial Designer: I'm guessing it would , but {gap} got like the definite information . Maybe we should go on what we're certain of ratherthan {disfmarker}Project Manager: So if we go for the simple push button , so effectively we're going for the simple printed circuit board are we ? Or are wegoing for the regular ?Industrial Designer: Um if it's just the push button then it just needs the simple circuit board .Project Manager: Mm-mm . But is there anyother {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I mean okay , that's true for the {disfmarker} for for that element , but we have to take all {gap} el elements intoconsideration . And so if there is one element that requires the more expensive one , or say the regular one , or the more advanced , then that would have to bethe same for all of them . SMarketing: Mm .User Interface: Hmm . But {disfmarker}Marketing: I suppose we need we need to find out what circuit board thatrequires , maybe before we {gap} m make a decision .Project Manager: Right .User Interface: But the way that I interpret that um it doesn't seem to send out asignal to the telly , it just {disfmarker} it's like a parrot just rep reply replying to your message .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Oh yeah , I suppose so ,yeah .Industrial Designer: So maybe that would be something separate , yeah .User Interface: So I don't think it would effect our circuit board .Project Manager:No .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Okay , so we'd have a simple circuit boardProject Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and that would be anextra that would be in addition to it .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Oh that makes sense .User Interface: And I don't think you could really perform"}
{"doc_id":"doc_113","qid":"","text":"Grad D: Channel one .PhD G: Test .PhD E: Hello .Grad D: Channel three .PhD G: Test .PhD A: Uh - oh .Professor F: So you think we 're going now , yes ? OK ,good . Alright Going again Uh {disfmarker} So we 're gonna go around as before , and uh do {disfmarker} do our digits . Uh transcript one three one one dashone three three zero . {comment} three two three {comment} four seven six five {comment} five three one six two four one {comment} six seven {comment}seven {comment} eight {comment} nine zero nine four zero zero three {comment} zero one five eight {comment} one seven three five three {comment} twosix eight zero {comment} three six two four three zero seven {comment} four {comment} five zero six nine four {comment} seven four {comment} eight fiveseven {comment} nine six one five {comment} O seven eight O two {comment} zero nine six zero four zero zero {comment} one {comment} two {comment}Uh {disfmarker} Yeah , you don't actually n need to say the name .Grad C: OK , {vocalsound} this is Barry Chen and I am reading transcriptProfessor F: That 'llprobably be bleeped out .Grad C: OK .Professor F: So . That 's if these are anonymized , but {vocalsound} Yeah {disfmarker}Grad C: Oh . {comment} OK.Professor F: uh {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker} not that there 's anything defamatory about uh {disfmarker} eight five seven or {vocalsound} or anything ,butGrad C: OK .Professor F: Uh , anyway . Uh {disfmarker} so here 's what I have for {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I was just jotting down things I think th w thatwe should do today . Uh {disfmarker} This is what I have for an agenda so far Um , We should talk a little bit about the plans for the uh {disfmarker} the fieldtrip next week . Uh {disfmarker} a number of us are doing a field trip to uh Uh {disfmarker} OGI And uh {disfmarker} mostly uh First though about the logisticsfor it . Then maybe later on in the meeting we should talk about what we actually you know , might accomplish . Uh {disfmarker}Grad C: OK .Professor F: Uh , inand {pause} kind of go around {disfmarker} see what people have been doing {disfmarker} talk about that , {pause} a r progress report . Um , Essentially . Um{disfmarker} And then uh {disfmarker} Another topic I had was that uh {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker} Dave here had uh said uh \" Give mesomething to do . \" And I {disfmarker} I have {disfmarker} I have uh {disfmarker} failed so far in doing that . And so maybe we can discuss that a little bit . Ifwe find some holes in some things that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} someone could use some help with , he 's {disfmarker} he 's volunteering to help .PhD A:I 've got to move a bunch of furniture .Professor F: OK , always count on a {vocalsound} serious comment from that corner . So , um , uh , and uh , then uh ,talk a little bit about {disfmarker} about disks and resource {disfmarker} resource issues that {disfmarker} that 's starting to get worked out . And then ,anything else anybody has that isn't in that list ? Uh {disfmarker}Grad D: I was just wondering , does this mean the battery 's dying and I should change it?Professor F: Uh I think that means the battery 's O K . {disfmarker}PhD A: Let me see .Professor F: d {disfmarker} do youGrad D: Oh OK , so thPhD A: Yeah ,that 's good . You 're alright ?Grad D: Cuz it 's full .Professor F: Yeah . Yeah .Grad D: Alright .Professor F: Yeah . Yeah . It looks full of electrons . OK . Plenty ofelectrons left there . OK , so , um , uh . OK , so , uh , I wanted to start this with this mundane thing . Um {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I{disfmarker} it was {disfmarker} it was kind of my bright idea to have us take a plane that leaves at seven twenty in the morning .Grad C: Oh , yeah , that 'sright .Professor F: Um . Uh {vocalsound} this is uh {disfmarker} The reason I did it uh was because otherwise for those of us who have to come back the sameday it is really not much of a {disfmarker} of a visit . Uh {disfmarker} So um the issue is how {disfmarker} how {disfmarker} how would we ever accomplishthat ? Uh {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what part of town do you live in ?Grad C: Um , I live in , um , the corner of campus . The , um ,southeast corner .Professor F: OK . OK , so would it be easier {disfmarker} those of you who are not , you know , used to this area , it can be very tricky to get tothe airport at {disfmarker} at uh , you know , six thirty . Um . So . Would it be easier for you if you came here and I drove you ? Yeah ? Yeah , yeah , OK .PhD G:Yeah , perhaps , yeah .Grad C: Yeah . Sure .PhD E: Yeah .Professor F: OK , so if {disfmarker} if everybody can get here at six .PhD E: At six .Professor F: Yeah , I'm afraid we need to do that to get there on time .Grad C: Six , OK .Professor F: Yeah , so . Oh boy . Anyway , so .PhD A: Will that {pause} be enough time?Professor F: Yeah . Yeah , so I 'll just pull up in front at six and just be out front . And , uh , and yeah , that 'll be plenty of time . It 'll take {disfmarker} it{disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it won't be bad traffic that time of day and {disfmarker} and uhPhD A: I guess once you get past the bridge {pause} that thatwould be the worst .PhD B: Yeah , Oakland .Professor F: Going to Oakland .PhD A: Yeah .Grad C: Oakland .PhD A: Once you get past the turnoff to the {pause}Bay Bridge .Professor F: Bridge oh , the turnoff to the bridgePhD A: Yeah .Professor F: Won't even do that .PhD B: Yeah .Professor F: I mean , just go downMartin Luther King .PhD A: Yeah . OK . Mm - hmm .Professor F: And then Martin Luther King to nine - eighty to eight - eighty ,PhD A: Yeah .Professor F: and it 's{disfmarker} it 'd take us , tops uh thirty minutes to get there .PhD A: Oh , I {disfmarker}Professor F: So that leaves us fifty minutes before the plane{disfmarker} it 'll just {disfmarker} yeah . So Great , OK so that 'll It 's {disfmarker} I mean , it 's still not going to be really easy but {disfmarker} wellParticularly for {disfmarker} for uh {disfmarker} for Barry and me , we 're not {disfmarker} we 're not staying overnight so we don't need to bring anythingparticularly except for {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker} a pad of paper and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So , and , uh you , two have to bring a little bitGrad C: OK.Professor F: but uh {disfmarker} you know , don't {disfmarker} don't bring a footlocker and we 'll be OK So .Grad C: s So just {disfmarker}Professor F: W you're staying overnight . I figured you wouldn't need a great big suitcase , yeah .PhD G: Oh yeah . Yeah .Professor F: That 's sort of {pause} {vocalsound} onenight . So . Anyway . OK .Grad C: So , s six AM , in front .Professor F: Six AM in front .Grad C: OK .Professor F: Uh , I 'll be here . Uh {disfmarker} I 'll{disfmarker} I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll {disfmarker} I 'll give you my phone number , If I 'm not here for a few m after a few minutes thenGrad C: Wake you up.Professor F: Nah , I 'll be fine . I just , uh {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} for me it just means getting up a half an hour earlier than I usually do . Not {disfmarker}not {disfmarker} not a lot ,Grad C: OK . Wednesday .Professor F: so OK , that was the real real important stuff . Um , I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I figuredmaybe wait on the potential goals for the meeting uh {disfmarker} until we talk about wh what 's been going on . So , uh , what 's been going on ? Why don't westart {disfmarker} start over here .PhD G: Um . {vocalsound} Well , preparation of the French test data actually .Professor F: OK .PhD G: So , {vocalsound} itmeans that um , well , it is , uh , a digit French database of microphone speech , downsampled to eight kilohertz and I 've added noise to one part , with the{disfmarker} actually the Aurora - two noises . And , @ @ so this is a training part . And then {pause} the remaining part , I use for testing and {disfmarker}with other kind of noises . So we can {disfmarker} So this is almost ready . I 'm preparing the {disfmarker} the HTK baseline for this task . And , yeah .ProfessorF: OK Uh , So the HTK base lines {disfmarker} so this is using mel cepstra and so on , or {disfmarker} ? Yeah . OK .PhD G: Yeah .Professor F: And again , I guessthe p the plan is , uh , to uh {disfmarker} then given this {disfmarker} What 's the plan again ?PhD G: The plan with {pause} these data ?Professor F: With{disfmarker} So {disfmarker} So {disfmarker} Does i Just remind me of what {disfmarker} what you were going to do with the {disfmarker} what {disfmarker}what {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what 's {disfmarker} y You just described what you 've been doing . So if you could remind me of what you 're going to bedoing .PhD G: Yeah .Professor F: Oh , this is {disfmarker} yeah , yeah .PhD G: Uh , yeah .Grad C: Tell him about the cube .PhD G: Well . The cube ? I should tellhim about the cube ?Grad C: Yeah .Professor F: Oh ! Cube . Yeah .PhD G: Yeah .PhD E: Fill in the cube .PhD G: Uh we {disfmarker} actually we want to , mmm ,Uh , {vocalsound} uh , analyze three dimensions , the feature dimension , the {pause} training data dimension , and the test data dimension . Um . Well , whatwe want to do is first we have number for each {pause} uh task . So we have the um , TI - digit task , the Italian task , the French task {pause} and the Finnishtask .Professor F: Yeah ?PhD G: So we have numbers with {pause} uh {disfmarker} systems {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker} I mean neural networks trainedon the task data . And then to have systems with neural networks trained on , {vocalsound} uh , data from the same language , if possible , with , well , using amore generic database , which is phonetically {disfmarker} phonetically balanced , and . Um .Professor F: So - so we had talked {disfmarker} I guess we hadtalked at one point about maybe , the language ID corpus ?PhD G: Yeah . So .Professor F: Is that a possibility for that ?PhD G: Ye - uh {disfmarker} {pause}Yeah , but , uh these corpus , w w there is a CallHome and a CallFriend also , The CallFriend is for language ind identification . Well , anyway , these corpus are alltelephone speech . So , um . {vocalsound} This could be a {disfmarker} {pause} a problem for {disfmarker} Why ? Because uh , uh , the {disfmarker} theSpeechDat databases are not telephone speech . They are downsampled to eight kilohertz but {disfmarker} but they are not {vocalsound} uh with telephonebandwidth .Professor F: Yeah . That 's really funny isn't it ? I mean cuz th this whole thing is for {pause} developing new standards for the telephone .Grad C:Telephone .Professor F: Yeah .PhD G: Yeah , but the {disfmarker} the idea is to compute the feature before {pause} the {disfmarker} before sending them tothe {disfmarker} Well , {pause} you don't {disfmarker} do not send speech , you send features , computed on th the {disfmarker} {pause} the device ,ProfessorF: Mm - hmm . Yeah , I know , but the reason {disfmarker}PhD G: or {disfmarker} Well .Professor F: Oh I see , so your point is that it 's {disfmarker} it 's{disfmarker} it 's uh {disfmarker} the features are computed locally , and so they aren't necessarily telephone bandwidth , uh or telephone distortions .PhD G:So you {disfmarker} Yeah . Yeah .PhD A: Did you {pause} happen to find out anything about the OGI multilingual database ?Professor F: Yeah , that 's wh that 'swh that 's what I meant .PhD G: Yeah , it 's {disfmarker}Professor F: I said {disfmarker} @ @ , there 's {disfmarker} there 's {disfmarker} there 's an OGI"}
{"doc_id":"doc_114","qid":"","text":"Lynne Neagle AM: Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to the first virtual meeting of the Children, Young People and Education Committee. In accordance withStanding Order 34.19, I determine that the public are excluded from the committee's meeting, in order to protect public health. In accordance with StandingOrder 34.21, notice of this decision was included in the agenda for this meeting, which was published last Friday. This meeting is, however, being broadcast liveon Senedd.tv, with all participants joining via video conference. A record of the proceedings will be published as usual. Aside from the procedural adaptationrelating to conducting proceedings remotely, all other Standing Order requirements for committees remain in place. The meeting is bilingual, and simultaneoustranslation from Welsh to English is available. Can I remind all participants that the microphones will be controlled centrally, so there's no need to turn them onand off individually? Can I ask whether there are any declarations of interest, please? No. Okay. Thank you. Can I just then, again, note for the record that, if, forany reason, I drop out of the meeting, the committee has agreed that Dawn Bowden AM will temporarily chair while I try to rejoin? Item 2, then, this afternoon isan evidence session with the Welsh Government on the impact of the coronavirus epidemic on education in Wales. I'm very pleased to welcome Kirsty WilliamsAM, Minister for Education, Steve Davies, director of the education directorate, and Huw Morris, who is group director, skills, higher education and lifelonglearning. Can I welcome you all and thank you for attending? Minister, I understand you'd like to make a short opening statement.Kirsty Williams AM: Thank youvery much, Lynne. And indeed, if I could just begin by, once again, putting on the record my gratitude to everyone who is helping us get through this pandemic.There are a vast number of people who are keeping our school hubs open, looking after vulnerable children, and the children of key workers. Because of them,and their efforts, those key workers are able to carry on their critical roles in responding to COVID-19. I am extremely proud of the way that members of theschool community have gone above and beyond. They have kept their schools open out of hours, over the weekends, on bank holidays, and Easter. And it isreally heartening and humbling to see the way that they have responded to this crisis. And there are teachers, teaching assistants, and many others, who arehelping our children and their parents to keep learning at home. I know that home schooling isn't easy, so I want to say also thank you to parents and carers fortheir efforts at this time. By keeping their children at home, they are helping us to keep people safe, and reducing pressure on our education system, and on ourNHS. Be in no doubt, we are facing many challenges because of this pandemic. My primary concern is, and always will be, the health and well-being of ourchildren, of our young people, and of all the staff in our education settings. And I am very grateful to everyone who is supporting us in these endeavours. Thankyou very much—diolch yn fawr. And I'm now happy to answer questions that members of the committee may have this afternoon.Lynne Neagle AM: Thank youvery much, Minister. I'm sure that the committee echoes the heartfelt thanks you have just given then. The first questions we've got this afternoon are from HefinDavid.Hefin David AM: Good afternoon, Minister. With regard to your five principles, which you've set out today, regarding when schools will reopen, they're veryclear that they require a judgment from you. So could you outline when you think that schools might reopen?Kirsty Williams AM: Thank you, Hefin. I am veryclear that schools will move to a new phase—because, already, schools are open in many settings; we will move to a new phase when it is safe to do so and whenI have advice from the chief medical officer and the chief scientific officer that it is safe to do so. I have made very clear in my statement that that is notimminent. I know that in some cases there has been speculation that a return to normal could be with us quite shortly. I'm clear that a return to normal is notimminent, and therefore I'm not in a position to give a date as to when we will see more schools opening up to more children.Hefin David AM: Have you beengiven any indication at all by the chief medical officer as to when, in the longer term, it might be?Kirsty Williams AM: No, I have not been given a date. What Ihave done today is publish the principles that will aid me in, as you said, me making a decision. So, clearly, we will be relying on the advice of our medical andscientific advisers, but the principles are very clear. Firstly, we will need to consider any decision to have more children returning to school in the context of thesafety and the physical and the emotional well-being of children and young people and the staff. Obviously, I can't make a decision regarding education inisolation. It will have to be taken in the context of the wider Welsh Government response to dealing with this pandemic. Thirdly, it is absolutely crucial in makingany decisions that we have clearly communicated that to parents and to staff, on the information that we have used to reach any decisions, to build confidence forparents and professionals, but also to give them time to plan. It will be impossible to move quickly to new ways of working. And we also have to look at—and it'sbeen paraphrased quite a lot today—if we are looking at certain groups of children accessing more education within a school setting, which groups they should be.And, finally, how do we operationalise that? How do we make those settings as safe as they possibly can be, and how do we tackle some of the difficult challengesof everything from ensuring that we have adequate numbers of workforce available, to the very real questions about how you would do social distancing in thecontext of education, school transport issues, how you would avoid people gathering at the school gate, for instance? So, there are very practical issues thatwould need to be considered and thought through very, very carefully before we could return, before what we could see is a move from where we are now to thenext phase of education, and new approaches to what schooling may look like. But, again, I must be absolutely clear to you, members of the committee, and topeople watching: it is not feasible, in this sense, that we would move from where we are now to what all of us would regard as normal education and what theoperation of schools looked like before the start of this pandemic.Hefin David AM: So, what is clear from what you've said is that it's going to be phased return. Iwould assume that would be the most vulnerable—perhaps additional learning needs pupils would return first. Just reading some of the things that you've saidtoday, can you answer that question? And can I also ask: you said that guiding principle No. 3 will be having the confidence of parents, staff and students, basedon evidence and information, so they can plan ahead. What will that evidence and information be, and how will you know that you've got the confidence ofparents to return?Kirsty Williams AM: Well, as I said, primarily, we will need to take a lead from our scientific and medical advisers. I want to also say that we areobviously working on a four-nation basis and keeping in very close contact with my counterparts in Northern Ireland, Scotland and England. But we're alsolooking beyond the United Kingdom to approaches to education in the face of this pandemic. Members are aware that we as a nation are a member of the AtlanticRim Collaboratory. So, recently I was able to talk to educationalists and Ministers in Iceland, other parts of Europe, North America, South America and Australia.So, we're also looking at best international evidence in this regard. And, clearly, we will need to be very clear, as today is an attempt to be very clear with parentsand our teaching professionals, and the unions that represent them, about the basis of that evidence.Hefin David AM: And could I just ask, with regard to theprinciples, do they then apply to further education and universities?Kirsty Williams AM: Well, of course, when we are discussing these challenges, we are doingthat with our colleagues in both the school sector but also our colleagues in the FE sector, and we're in close contact with colleagues in higher education to sharethinking on these matters.Hefin David AM: But these principles don't apply in those circumstances; these are principles for schools only.Kirsty Williams AM: Theseprinciples are applying to both, and our work in this area is applying to both schools and FE colleges. Clearly, universities, as independent institutions, wewouldn't be able to dictate to. But I want to be absolutely clear: we are working with representatives of the HE sector to include them in this work. And I havereceived, not assurances, but from discussions that I've had with Universities Wales and vice-chancellors, they are very keen to be kept apprised of theseapproaches, because they may well wish to implement something similar within their own institutions.Lynne Neagle AM: Okay. I've got a couple ofsupplementaries now; firstly, from Suzy Davies, and then I'm going to go to Siân Gwenllian. Suzy. No, we can't hear Suzy. Suzy? No. I'll go to Siân, then, andthen I'll come back to Suzy. Siân.Hefin David AM: Chair, I don't think my microphone is muted.Sian Gwenllian AM: Okay. I'll move on to my question to KirstyWilliams. Now, it is clear that any decisions that need to be taken on reopening schools would have to be made in the context of all of the other issues that theWelsh Government has to take into account. And it is entirely clear that the approach of Government towards testing hasn't been sufficiently developed for us toeven start to think about removing restrictions. So, wouldn't it be dangerous, if truth be told, to start to discuss reopening schools when we haven't had thenecessary testing in place for the majority of the population? And doesn't it convey a mixed message that we're starting to relax some of these restrictions when,in reality, the restrictions are still in place and still need to be in place robustly?Kirsty Williams AM: First of all, thank you very much, Siân, for that importantquestion. Can I be absolutely clear, and I thought I had been pretty clear in answering Hefin David, that we are not relaxing any of the restrictions with regard toeducation? As I said to Hefin, it is not imminent that we would see a further phase in the next stage of education here in Wales. What I have done today is toprovide clarity on the nature of the principles that I would use when coming to any discussion. It is the responsibility of me, as the Minister, and indeed of thewider Government, to begin to think about planning for the future. But I have been absolutely clear: we are not moving to an imminent change in how educationis operating at the moment. And I'm also very, very clear that should we be given the opportunity to see more children in our schools, I will only do that when itis safe for me to do so, when I've been advised by the CMO that I am able to do that, and we have given sufficient time and planning to the sector to respond. Itis not going to be easy, and we will need to give them, as a sector, time to be able to address. But if I have not been clear enough, let me say it again: we are not"}
{"doc_id":"doc_115","qid":"","text":"Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to this morning's Children, Young People and Education Committee. We've received no apologies forabsence. Can I ask Members who are present if they wish to declare any interests? Okay, thank you. Item 2 this morning is our final evidence session for ourinquiry into targeted funding to improve educational outcomes. I'm very pleased to welcome Kirsty Williams AM, Cabinet Secretary for Education; Steve Davies,director of the education directorate; and Ruth Conway, deputy director, support for learners division. Welcome to all of you, and thank you for your attendanceand also for the paper that you've provided in advance. If you're happy, we'll go straight into questions, and the first questions are from Llyr Gruffydd.LlyrGruffydd AM: Bore da. I just want to start by asking some questions around the targeting of the pupil development grant because, clearly, we've had a lot ofevidence around this apparent blurring of eligibility to an extent. I'm just wondering how comfortable you are that the money is being targeted appropriatelybecause, clearly, it's being targeted more widely than just those eligible for free school meals, from some of the evidence we've had, but also that it seems to bepredominantly focused on low-attaining frees—pupils who are eligible for free school meals.Kirsty Williams AM: Thank you, Llyr. I think it's important to beabsolutely clear that when it comes to individual interventions, those individual interventions should only be targeted at those children who are eligible for freeschool meals. But in some cases, schools may use their PDG funding to provide a universal intervention, but we would want to—in challenge advisers' discussionsin schools—we'd want to have evidence that that universal intervention would have a disproportionate effect on the outcomes for children on free school meals.So, for instance, if I give you an example in your own region, Llyr: at Brynteg County Primary School in Wrexham, if you look at that primary school in Wrexham,their results for free-school-meal children at the end of their primary school period in school are equivalent to their non-free-school-meal counterparts. So, thereis no differentiation in those results. One of the things that they've used their PDG for is to really focus on the concept of growth mindset in school. So, that's auniversal thing that they've trained all the teachers in, but what we know is that that has a disproportionate effect on those children who are on free school meals.So, if you're familiar with the concept of a growth mindset, it's about really challenging learners to think that, 'I can do things. If sometimes I fail, I pick myselfup, I'm more resilient.' Now, that has been, as I said, trained to all the teachers in the school—it's an ethos for the whole school—but we have seen that theimpact on the free-school-meal children has been even greater, and now they're at the same level. So, that's the important distinction. Individual intervention perchild has to be targeted at those children who are eligible for free school meals, but sometimes a school will employ a whole-school approach to train their staff,for instance, and that, then, has to demonstrate it has a disproportionate effect on free school meals. So, growth mindset; it may be attachment disorder trainingfor staff, for instance, where we know it's of benefit to everybody, but will have particular benefits for that cohort of students. With regard to more able andtalented, you know, Llyr, that this is an area of concern for me, generally, within the Welsh education system; that we've not been particularly good atidentifying, supporting and driving attainment for those children. I'm absolutely clear that PDG needs to be used for those children who are eligible to drivepotential, whatever the potential of that child is, including more able and talented. And again, I'll give you an example that has been seen as good practice inPembrokeshire: a window on the world bus, again paid for by schools. I don't know if you're aware of it.Llyr Gruffydd AM: We've heard about that.Kirsty WilliamsAM: Oh, you've heard about it; well, it's a really good example the window on the world. And, again, that's very much targeted at raising aspirations and givingchildren who are more able and talented, who are eligible for PDG, those experiences, and to really push them. So, yes, I'm absolutely clear that PDG shouldn'tjust be seen to be getting individuals to the average. For those children who are more able and talented, it should be used to support them—Llyr Gruffydd AM:And we all share those aspirations, I'm sure, and you pointed to examples of good practice, but of course, it's not universal, is it, so what I'm asking is: do youthink that the guidance is sufficient as it is? Do you think that there's a great enough awareness of how the PDG should be used at the coalface? And also, are youconfident that consortia and others have the measures in place to be able to demonstrate that it is being used properly?Kirsty Williams AM: I think, if we look atwhat Estyn has said about PDG, it does actually recognise that the PDG is being used to push more able and talented children, but as always with the system,Llyr, it's whether we can be sure that that is strategic and that it's happening across all of our schools. So, you're—Llyr Gruffydd AM: But not just in relation tomore able and talented, I'm referring to the eligibility and the targeting.Kirsty Williams AM: Oh, the eligibility. You'll be aware that, on the advice of Sir Alasdair,we have employed and appointed new PDG regional advisers, and I think their role is going to be absolutely crucial in spreading that good practice across theregion, whether that's use of PDG for more able and talented, or ensuring that PDG is used in the appropriate way. So, that's there to provide strategic overalladvice. And obviously, we have been very clear with regional challenge advisers, in the relationship and the conversations they're having with individual schools,that they're really challenging their schools about the use of PDG, not just in terms of targeting, but the programmes, what the money is being spent on, whetherthere is an evidence base for that and whether we are clear on impact. So, I think the new regional advisers are going to be crucial in enabling us to ensure moreconsistent practice across the regions.Llyr Gruffydd AM: So, are you content that eligibility for free school meals is the best measure, really, of identifying whichpupils to target?Kirsty Williams AM: Llyr, in the absence of anything better. I'll be the first person to say that maybe it's not as absolutely focused, but in theabsence of anything different to identify a proxy for need, I think it's probably the best that we've got at present. And we will continue to have discussions withlocal government about whether there are different ways. We have to be mindful. Some of the policy levers in this area are out of my hands, so if we look at theroll-out of universal credit, for instance, we've got officials working very hard at the moment to try and understand what universal credit is going to mean andwhere we are going to be able to identify relative need, going forward. We haven't had any additional resource as a result of this, but we're very mindful that,potentially, this has an impact, going forward. And, officials are working all of the time, I must say, in conjunction with the department in England, to understandtheir thinking in this area so that we are in a position to make some decisions about what a notional eligibility for free school meals will look like going forward,but before I make any decisions, I want to assure everybody that there will be a full public consultation on that.Llyr Gruffydd AM: Okay. Finally for now, on thisissue of once a year, in January, if you're eligible for free school meals, then you're in that group for that year. We've had some quite strong evidence about howdifficult that makes longer term planning for a number of schools and we've also been pointed in the direction of what's happened in England with the Ever 6, andI'm just wondering whether you're giving any thought to maybe changing that a little bit.Kirsty Williams AM: Well, we're certainly giving thought to flexibility. Inconversations with Alasdair, who is our independent adviser on this agenda, and individual schools, we're actively giving thought to greater flexibility and maybelonger term projections, so that schools know, for a number of years ahead, what their allocation will be. There are advantages to that system, because you couldgive that flexibility, you could give that long-term approach, but then, how do you make that responsive if a school suddenly has more children? We do know that,actually, the number of free-school-meal pupils is dropping. But there can be changes, you know, regional working in areas of north Wales in tourism, or maybein other areas at Christmas time, parents are able to get a period of work. So, how can we create a more flexible system? We're actively looking at that at themoment. I wouldn't use it as an Ever 6 concept, but as an 'Ever 2' concept. We have looked at Ever 6, and I'm going to be absolutely blunt with you: to introducean Ever 6 concept for Wales would mean in the region of identifying an additional £40 million. I'm going to be absolutely straight and blunt with you: we're not ina position at the moment to be able to identify an additional £40 million to introduce an Ever 6. But issues around flexibility, certainly, are actively underconsideration. In fact, we'll be having a discussion later on today about decisions, going forward, for the next two years.Llyr Gruffydd AM: Thank you.LynneNeagle AM: Darren on this.Darren Millar AM: It's just a very brief point in response to the £40 million price ticket that you just put on that. That's, of course,assuming that you maintain the current level of PDG, yes? So, if you reduced the level of PDG slightly, but made it available to more individuals, if you like, viaallocating it in a different way, then that £40 million price ticket wouldn't be there, would it?Kirsty Williams AM: I was asked a question about had Iever considered an Ever 6. We have looked at that, we've priced that up. I have to make decisions in the envelope of resources that are available to me. Wecould, indeed, change the way in which we allocate PDG money, but we have to do it within the envelope that is available to me, over £90 million. That's asignificant level of investment, but, of course, as always, Darren, we could cut the amount per pupil, but that might have quite challenging swings in allocations.What we have done—because what I am clear on is that there was evidence to suggest that in the secondary sector, a great deal of PDG was being focused onyears 10 and 11, especially year 11, in catch-up provision, and you'll be aware, because we've said this in evidence to the committee in the papers, we've set achallenge to secondary schools to say, 'Actually, the majority of your PDG allocation has to be used in key stage 3.' Now, we have to balance the needs, the moralhazard of turning round to children in years 10 and 11 and saying, 'We're not going to provide catch-up opportunities for you,' because, clearly, those childrenneed that support. But the evidence and the advice that we're receiving is: actually, strong focus on early years, primary and key stage 3, if we get that right,should negate the need for spending money on catch-up at years 10 and 11. That's why we, in our advice to local authorities and schools, say that we want to see"}
{"doc_id":"doc_116","qid":"","text":"Grad C: Hmm . Testing channel two .Grad E: Two , two . Grad C: Two .Grad E: Two . Oh .Grad D: Hello ?Grad B: Hmm ? Yeah Thank You . OK Well , so Ralf andTilman are here .Professor F: OK . Great . Great .Grad B: Made it safely .Professor F: So the {disfmarker} what w we h have been doing i they would like us all toread these digits . But we don't all read them but a couple people read them .PhD A: OK .Professor F: Uh , wanna give them all with German accents today or{disfmarker} ?Grad B: Sure .Professor F: OK .Grad B: OK and the way you do it is you just read the numbers not as uh each single , so just like I do it .PhD A:Mm - hmm .Grad B: OK . First you read the transcript number . Turn .Grad D: OK , uh {disfmarker} What 's {disfmarker}Professor F: OK . Let 's be done withthis .PhD A: OK .Professor F: OK . this is Ami , who {disfmarker} And this is Tilman and Ralf .PhD A: Hi . Uh - huh . Nice to meet you .Grad D: Hi .Professor F: Hi .OK . So we 're gonna try to finish by five so people who want to can go hear Nancy Chang 's talk , uh downstairs .PhD A: Hmm .Professor F: And you guys are ggiving talks on tomorrow and Wednesday lunch times ,PhD A: Yes .Grad D: Mmm .Professor F: right ? That 's great . OK so , do y do you know what we 're gonnado ?Grad B: I thought two things uh we 'll introduce ourselves and what we do . And um we already talked with Andreas , Thilo and David and some lines of codewere already written today and almost tested and just gonna say we have um again the recognizer to parser thing where we 're working on and that should be noproblem and then that can be sort of developed uh as needed when we get {disfmarker} enter the tourism domain . em we have talked this morning with the{disfmarker} with Tilman about the generator .PhD A: SGrad B: and um There one of our diligent workers has to sort of volunteer to look over Tilman 's shoulderwhile he is changing the grammars to EnglishPhD A: Mm - hmm .Grad B: because w we have {disfmarker} we face two ways . Either we do a syllableconcatenating um grammar for the English generation which is sort of starting from scratch and doing it the easy way , or we simply adopt the ah um more in -depth um style that is implemented in the German system and um are then able not only to produce strings but also the syntactic parse uh not parse not thesyntactic tree that is underneath in the syntactic structure which is the way we decided we were gonna go because A , it 's easier in the beginningPhD A: Mm -hmm .Grad B: and um it does require some {disfmarker} some knowledge of {disfmarker} of those grammars and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and some linglinguistic background . But um it shouldn't be a problem for anyone .Professor F: OK So That sounds good . Johno , are you gonna have some time t to do that uhw with these guys ?Grad E: Sure .Professor F: cuz y you 're the grammar maven .Grad E: OK .Professor F: I mean it makes sense ,Grad E: Yeah .Professor F:doesn't it ? Yeah Good . OK . So , I think that 's probably the {disfmarker} the right way to do that . And an Yeah , so I {disfmarker} I actually wanna f to findout about it too , but I may not have time to get in .Grad B: the {disfmarker} the ultimate goal is that before they leave we {disfmarker} we can run through theentire system input through output on at least one or two sample things . And um and by virtue of doing that then in this case Johno will have acquired theknowledge of how to extend it . Ad infinitum . When needed , if needed , when wanted and so forth .Professor F: OK that sounds great .Grad B: And um also umRalf has hooked up with David and you 're gonna continue either all through tonight or tomorrow on whatever to get the er parser interface working .Grad D:Mmm .Grad B: They are thinning out and thickening out lattices and doing this kind of stuff to see what works best .Grad D: Mmm , yep .Professor F: Great . So ,you guys enjoy your weekend ?PhD A: Yes , very much so .Grad D: Yeah , very muchProfessor F: OK , before {disfmarker} before you got put to work ?Grad D:YeahProfessor F: Great . OK , so that 's {disfmarker} Sort of one branch is to get us caught up on what 's going on . Also of course it would be really nice to knowwhat the plans are , in addition to what 's sort of already in code .PhD A: Yes .Professor F: and we can d I dunno w w was there uh a time when we were set up todo that ? It probably will work better if we do it later in the week , after {pause} we actually understand uh better what 's going on .PhD A: Yes .Grad D: Hmm.PhD A: Yeah .Professor F: So when do you guys leave ?PhD A: Um we 're here through Sunday ,Grad D: OhPhD A: so All through Friday would be fine .ProfessorF: Oh , OK , so {disfmarker} OK , So {disfmarker} so anyt we 'll find a time later in the week to uh get together and talk about {pause} your understanding ofwhat SmartKom plans are .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor F: and how we can change them .PhD A: Yes . Sure .Professor F: Uh ,Grad B: Should we already set adate for that ? Might be beneficial while we 're all here .Professor F: OK ? um What {disfmarker} what does not work for me is Thursday afternoon . I can doearlier in the day on Thursday , or {pause} um {pause} most of the time on Friday , not all .Grad B: Thursday morning sounds fine ?Professor F: Wha - but ,Johno ,PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor F: what are your constraints ?Grad E: um Thursday afternoon doesn't work for me , but {disfmarker}Grad B: Neither doesThursday morning , no ?Grad E: Uh Thursday morning should be fine .PhD A: OK .Professor F: Eleven ? Eleven on Thursday ?Grad E: I was just thinking I w I will{pause} have {pause} leavened by eleven .Professor F: Right . Right . This is then out of deference to our non - morning people .PhD A: Mm - hmm . OK . So ateleven ?Grad D: Hmm .PhD A: Thursday around eleven ? OK .Professor F: Yeah . And actually we can invite um Andreas as well .Grad B: Uh he will be inWashington , though .Professor F: Oh that 's true . He 's off {disfmarker} off on his trip already .Grad B: but um David is here and he 's actually knows everythingabout the SmartKom recognizer .Professor F: Thilo . OK well yeah maybe we 'll see if David could make it . That would be good .Grad B: OK so facing to{disfmarker} to what we 've sort of been doing here um well for one thing we 're also using this room to collect data .PhD A: Yeah obviously .Grad B: um um Notthis type of data ,PhD A: Oh , OK .Grad B: no not meeting data but sort of {disfmarker} sort ah our version of a wizard experiment such not like the ones inMunich but pretty close to it .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Grad B: The major difference to the Munich ones is that we do it via the telephonePhD A: OK .Grad B: eventhough all the recording is done here and so it 's a {disfmarker} sort of a computer call system that gives you tourist informationPhD A: Mm - hmm .Grad B: tellsyou how to get places . And it breaks halfway through the experiment and a human operator comes on . and part of that is sort of trying to find out whetherpeople change their linguistic verbal behavior when first thinking they speak to a machine and then to a human .PhD A: Yeah .Grad B: and we 're setting it up sothat we can {disfmarker} we hope to implant certain intentions in people . For example um we have first looked at a simple sentence that \" How do I get to thePowder - Tower ? \" OK so you have the {disfmarker} castle of HeidelbergPhD A: OK .Grad B: and there is a tower and it 's called Powder - Tower .PhD A: Oh , OK. Yeah .Grad B: and um so What will you parse out of that sentence ? Probably something that we specified in M - three - L , that is @ @ {comment} \" action goto whatever domain , object whatever Powder - Tower \" .Grad D: Mmm .Grad B: And maybe some model will tell us , some GPS module , in the mobile scenariowhere the person is at the moment . And um we 've sort of gone through that once before in the Deep Mail project and we noticed that first of all what are{disfmarker} I should 've brought some slides , but what our {disfmarker} So here 's the tower . Think of this as a two - dimensional representation of the tower. And our system led people here , to a point where they were facing a wall in front of the tower . There is no entrance there , but it just happens to be the closestpoint of the road network to the geometric center Because that 's how the algorithm works . So we took out that part of the road network as a hack and then itfound actually the way to the entrance . which was now the closest point of the road network toPhD A: Yeah .Grad B: OK , geometric center . But what weactually observed in Heidelberg is that most people when they want to go there they actually don't want to enter , because it 's not really interesting . They wannago to a completely different point where they can look at it and take a picture .PhD A: Oh , OK .Grad D: Hmm .PhD A: Yeah .Grad B: And so what uh uh a s you slet 's say a simple parse from a s from an utterance won't really give us is what the person actually wants . Does he wanna go there to see it ? Does he wanna gothere now ? Later ? How does the person wanna go there ? Is that person more likely to want to walk there ? Walk a scenic route ? and so forth . There are allkinds of decisions that we have identified in terms of getting to places and in terms of finding information about things . And we are constructing {disfmarker}and then we 've identified more or less the extra - linguistic parameters that may f play a role . Information related to the user and information related to thesituation . And we also want to look closely on the linguistic information that what we can get from the utterance . That 's part of why we implant these intentionsin the data collection to see whether people actually phrase things differently whether they want to enter in order to buy something or whether they just wannago there to look at it . And um so the idea is to construct uh um suitable interfaces and a belief - net for a module that actually tries to guess what the underlyingintention {pause} was . And then enrich or augment the M - three - L structures with what it thought what more it sort of got out of that utterance . So if it canmake a good suggestion , \" Hey ! \" you know , \" that person doesn't wanna enter . That person just wants to take a picture , \" cuz he just bought film , or \" thatperson wants to enter because he discussed the admission fee before \" . Or \" that person wants to enter because he wants to buy something and that you usuallydo inside of buildings \" and so forth . These ah these types of uh these bits of additional information are going to be embedded into the M - three - L structure inan {disfmarker} sort of subfield that we have reserved . And if the action planner does something with it , great . If not you know , then that 's also somethingum that we can't really {disfmarker} at least we {comment} want to offer the extra information . We don't really {disfmarker} um we 're not too worried .PhD A:Mm - hmm .Grad D: Hmm .Grad B: I mean {disfmarker} t s Ultimately if you have {disfmarker} if you can offer that information , somebody 's gonna s dosomething with it sooner or later . That 's sort of part of our belief .Grad E: What was he saying ?Grad B: Um , for example , right now I know the GIS from emailis not able to calculate these viewpoints . So that 's a functionality that doesn't exist yet to do that dynamically ,PhD A: Mm - hmm .Grad B: but if we can offer it"}
{"doc_id":"doc_117","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay . Hello everyone . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Hi .User Interface: Hi .Marketing: Hi .Project Manager: Um how uh howwe doing ?Industrial Designer: Yeah , good .Project Manager: Uh first we going uh over the minutes of the last meeting , more or less .User Interface: Mm-hmm.Project Manager: Um in the last meeting uh the marketing manager had presented uh her method of working , meaning gathering i suggestions from everyoneto see how she best could market uh this this product at the {disfmarker} within the budget uh that was given . Uh in general {vocalsound} the idea is that itshould be something that is not difficult to use . Um it's also an item that people lose a lot . So we should address that . And , of course , it should be something ss that is very simple to use . In addition to that to make it sell , of course , uh the marketing manager w wishes that it be very attractive ,Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: or like she says put some sizzle into it in one way or another so that the people are buying it now because , in particular withsmaller items , that's a very important fact , 'cause um if they say , well , I go home and think about it , that won't work . Um also mentioned was it should be uh{disfmarker} it should have a very short learning curve . And maybe it could be sold by using a slogan .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Our technical manager has then said that she feels it should have a chipMarketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: that has infra-red bits and it hasan interface controls w interface that controls the chip . Therefore , messages uh will be controlled in the same manner . There should be extra features like lidbuttons , maybe a beep . If too many buttons are pressed , mm uh uh child lock um and uh maybe a display clock so that people could um {disfmarker} youcould see the time , you know , what show they want to watch . Also mentioned was uh maybe different shapes . So the components of the thing should bebutton , bulbs , infra infra-red bulbs , battery , chips , wires , and maybe some kind of a holder uh for the for the uh item . Francino who is our umUser Interface:Interface designer .Project Manager: interface designer um uh has mentioned that the {disfmarker} that it , of course , should have an on-off button , and alsohas mentioned an interesting feature that it should have maybe a channel lock . Particularly with maybe small children that they couldn't uh watch a channel thatis undesirable . It should be compact . Her personal favourite was it should be T-shaped . And maybe have an anar alarm-clock . And the material should possiblybe not of non-allergic nature . Uh the different systems uh that exist are infra-red or radio-waves . Uh maybe it should have uh electri electrici electricity savingfeature .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: And {vocalsound} even possibly a timer to {disfmarker} so that people can program{vocalsound} their favourite uh uh program on th right from the remote .User Interface: Yes .Project Manager: Uh are we all in agreement that that's about whatwe discussed last time ? Okay .User Interface: Yes .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah , I think that pretty much is it . Yeah . Mm-hmm .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Okay , then we {disfmarker} I'm looking for three presentations . And uh I don't know whether the order matters much uh , I don't I don't think so, so whoever w wants {disfmarker}User Interface: Okay , I can start first .Project Manager: Yeah , okay .User Interface: Okay . Now my slide , please .{vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay , your slides . Okay . Oh , come on , close already .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: And that's number two , right?User Interface: Three .Project Manager: Three .User Interface: Participant three . Yes . Okay .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Now as an interfacedesigner , I would give more emphasis on the interface , how the remote looks like so that it is sellable , it is attractive to customers . Next , please . Okay . Nowthe function of a remote is to send messages to the television . This messages could be uh switch on-off message or switch to next channel message or swappingthe channels or switching onto a particular channel , like you can have the numbers one , two , three , four , up to nine .Project Manager: Nine what ? Ninechannel uh switches ?User Interface: Pardon me ?Project Manager: Nine channel switches ? Is {disfmarker} Yeah . Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .User Interface: Yes ,nine numbers . And then you have swapping of uh buttonProject Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: by which {disfmarker} using which you can swap thechannels if you don't want to see the third channel you can swap it to the fourth channel or vice versa . Then it should have a next button , and next buttonchannel by which you can keep on uh v uh mm eh scrolling the channels one by one .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Going to the nex next.Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Next slide , please .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Then you should have a button which should whichca which can be used for increasing or decreasing the volume .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Then , there should be a button which can givesubtitles for a particular program which is going on a television . For example , if you are watching a French program and you would like to have a subtitles inEnglish , then there should be a channel which can trigger this mechanism in the television so that the user can see uh the {gap} the subtitles on the screen.Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Then there should d uh there should be some buttons which can control features like thecolour , colour of the picture , the contrast , sharpness , brightness of the picture . Now there should be a memory switch . There should be a mute button .Suddenly if if if uh uh viewer he gets a telephone call , and if he want he doesn't want to switch off the uh T_V_ , but he he can reduce the sound , he can bringthe volume down and he can watch {disfmarker} he can uh {disfmarker} while talking he can watch the T_V_ . Now the most important feature I would like tohave in my remote would be the speech recognition feature . It's an integrated progra programmable sample sensor speaker unit . So a remote can be th can beuh designed which can have the voice recognisers , you can record your own voiceProject Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: which can be recognised by asvoice recogniser in the television , for example , if you want to see {disfmarker} we if you want to see the ninth channel if you say just say ninth channel , uh thnow the the {disfmarker} uh yeah , the remote will {disfmarker} automatically it will switch to the ninth channel .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager:Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .User Interface: So the T_V_ will have some recogniser which will recognise the user's voice and accordingly it will change its functionalities.Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .User Interface: So this is one of the very important feature a remote control can have . So this is one one of theinterface which can be created .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: A very simple interface which has all the t uh uh important features .Project Manager:Mm-hmm .User Interface: Then , please , next slide .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Then , these are some of the remotes which are different inshape and colour , but they have many buttons .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: So uh sometimes the user finds it very difficult to recognise whichbutton is for what function and all that . So you can you can design an interface which is very simple , and which is user-friendly . Even a kid can use that .ProjectManager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: So can you go on t t uh to the next slide . Yeah , so this is one of the interface or one of the remote which has this vi voicerecogniser .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: And this has multi-purpose use , it can be used for T_V_ , it can be used forcable-satellite , it can be used for V_C_R_ , D_V_D_s and audio . And this has in-built voice recogniser .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Can you goon to the next slide ? Yeah , now this is an interface for a chil uh for a remote uh uh which a child can use .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Uh this isuser-friendly , it's very attractive and uh children can use it as well as they can play with it . And this comes with different colours , different shapes .IndustrialDesigner: Mm .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: And this this uh child uh interface has minimum buttonsMarketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: andall the important uh buttons are there in this small , compact , attractive child interface . Next slide , please . Now this is a big over-sized remote which cannot bemisplaced or it's impossible to misplace .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: You don't know me .User Interface: {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound} {gap} this . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} I could losethat in a minute . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: So this is {disfmarker} {vocalsound} No this is a verybig , you cannot {vocalsound} misplace it anywhere .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} So this is a jumbo universal remote control and it'simpossible to im misplace or lose . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: This i this is one such interface which canbe created . {vocalsound} And the personal preference {vocalsound} uh would be a spe uh uh to incorporate speech recognisers uh which will respond to user'svoice for a particular uh function .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Right .User Interface: Thank you , that's {disfmarker}Project Manager:Mm-hmm . Okay , thank you very much . Uh any comments on uh her presentation ?Marketing: Well , um looks like we still have quite a choice of things outthere .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Um what uh {vocalsound} I'm {disfmarker} No suggestion's bad .User Interface: Mm yes .Marketing: But uhwe're gonna have to narrow it down a little more . I don't think that we can get uh {disfmarker} The T-shape is good , the child one is good , the too big tomisplace , I think it's just funny .User Interface: Okay . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Um I don't think that's gonna be our impulse purchase at thecheckout counter .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah , I I th I think {disfmarker}User Interface: Okay . {gap} {vocalsound}Marketing: It'sit's gonna be a little bit too unwieldy .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: No , I think the these are her presentations , but uh as far as the decisionmaking we getting to that after afterMarketing: Yeah mm . Mm-hmm . Have to come back to that later . Okay .User Interface: We can .Project Manager: but if{disfmarker} I just wanted to know whether anybody had any any anything to add to her presentation .Marketing: No , I think her presentation was good , andshe really explored all the options . Yeah .Project Manager: Mm right . Mm-hmm . Ho who wants to go next um ? Mm-hmm . Okay ,Industrial Designer: Yeah ,"}
{"doc_id":"doc_118","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Hello , uh this meeting we are it's fo should be focused on the conceptual design of the remote control .Marketing: Hello .Industrial Designer:Mm-hmm .User Interface: Hello .Project Manager: Um the goal of this meeting is to reach a decision at the end on the concept and I think the last time we talkedabout an a lot and we had a rough idea of what is going to be , but uh in th at the end of this meeting we have to to reach a decision . So , uh we will have againthree presentation , from all of you , and uh I hope it will be fast because I would like to have time to for long discussion and and decisions . So , who wants tostart ? Okay .User Interface: I sMarketing: Okay .User Interface: No , no , you you can start .Project Manager: So start , uhMarketing: Okay , I'll start . Can youopen my presentation ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: please .Project Manager: Uh . {gap}Marketing: I'm number four .Project Manager: This one?Marketing: Trend . Yep . Can you pass the mouse , please . {vocalsound} Oh okay , that's fine .Project Manager: Turn .Marketing: Okay . Um so basically I justwant to presented to you {disfmarker} present to you some recent results we've had from um looking at uh um some remote control market research and somefashion trends around the world . Um the fashion trends we got from talking to our our contacts in the fashion industry based in Paris and Milan . {vocalsound}Um {vocalsound} so f from our market research basically we've come to the conclusion that a fancy look and feel , um as opposed to a functional look and feel ,is our number one priority . Um fancy is is is is the , you know , highest priority .Project Manager: Hmm .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Marketing: Secondly um thatour remote control needs to be techn technologically innovative . Um so this is t number two priority but it's two times less important as the fancy criteria . Umand third thirdly the easiness of use is is the um is is important as well , but again two times less important as the technologically innovativeness of the remotecontrol . {vocalsound} From our f fashion people in Paris and Milan , um we've discovered that this year um fruit the fruit and vegetable motif will be the mostimportant thing in in clothes , shoes and furniture . So , {vocalsound} I'm pretty confident that our remote control fits into the furniture category . And also umthe feel of material this year um is expected to be spongy .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Um so hopefully our remote control reflects that s in some way.Industrial Designer: What does it mean , spongy ?Marketing: Uh sort of um squishy .Industrial Designer: Like soft , or something ?Marketing: Um . Yeah soft,Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: like a uh like a sponge .Project Manager: Like a sponge . {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} I don't know .Yeah .Industrial Designer: Okay . I will see .Marketing: Um so in conclusion , we need a our remote control needs to be something that's really fancy , um has lotsof technolog tech technology in it . {vocalsound} Um somehow would be good to have it related to fruit and vegetables with a spongy feel .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: And that it's easy to use and from our last meeting our you knowFabian told us that w you know one of the requirements is that we have to reflect the look and feel of our {disfmarker} of th the Real Reaction company . Um.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah , uh yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} That's it .Project Manager: Easy to use , is it uh a asmuch as important than technology or fancy thing . It's less important , right ?Marketing: Less important .Project Manager: Yeah yeah .Marketing: So umfanciness first and then two ti you know , half as important as that is technology technology ,Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: and half important as technologyis easy to use . So .Project Manager: {gap} So , Hamed , can you {gap} .User Interface: Yeah . The second one . Could you please show the presentationnumber three .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: I think the biggest struggle will be the easy to use feature .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um .Number ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} We'll see .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Three .User Interface: Three .Project Manager: This one ?{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Yes . {gap} Just Could you please check if it is the first one or the second . Uh , n n no , it's the first one . The secondone .Project Manager: So it's not this one .User Interface: Uh yeah . Okay . {gap} Okay . So I am going to talk about {disfmarker} a little bit about how thisremote control should be appear to be more easy to use . I think uh I think the feature easy to use is more important than being fancy , but okay , we can discussabout it uh later . Um {vocalsound} generally , generally uh this remote control uh uh should be should be something , in my opinion , uh the first feature is justto be easy to use . So , the more frequent buttons should be larger , they should be placed in a good position uh uh inside the remote control . And uh s uh I canconclude like this , that we shouldn't need to learn how to use it . It should be {disfmarker} we shouldn't need to es open a a t book and uh start reading and uhlearning how to use this uh this uh remote control . {vocalsound} Okay . So what I found out that uh as I said uh I think it's better to put uh more frequent uh uhuh ke uh buttons which are used more in the middle of the remote control , and they should be bigger in size . Uh the shape of remote control should be in a waywhich can {disfmarker} which should be taken easily in hand . It should not be completely like uh a cube . It should be it should have round edge , so uh then it'seasier .Industrial Designer: Exactly .User Interface: And maybe uh just like some toys , some joystick which is easier to take inside the hand . And uh also f uh uhm because because customers doesn't like to buy lots of battery , it should not uh consume lots of energy . Okay . And my personal p uh preference is uh , as Isaid , uh just putting this buttons in a special places and covered some buttons which are not used uh that much like settings button , like mobile phone . Usuallysome mobile phone cover the dialling number part , so we can cover these buttons which are not used or uh number buttons for the for the for the can channels ,and just put uh volume change or s ch can uh channel change buttons uh uh in the remote control . And if the user needed to do some more complex task uh hehe can open the cover and then change settings or something like this . Uh . And also uh I think if we put some some some some some buttons inside of theremote control it can be used easier . Not on remote control . I dunno if I can explain well . But uh just inside . For example , a sliding or rolling uh uh d uh stuff ,if we put it inside then we can easily manipulate with uh thumb . So it can be another uh preference . And uh I dunno but uh I think usage of a speech recogn uh rrecogniser can be good . I know that it consumes lots of energy , but if we do it in some way that it asleeps when there is no sound and when it detects somesound it may consume less energy . And I think it's good because it's something new and usually young people like something new . So it may not be very usefulbut because it's new , people may buy it . Uh I personally think there should be a big difference between uh between something . Otherwise they prefer to buysomething which is coming from a famous company , or . Okay . That's mine .Project Manager: Okay . {gap}Industrial Designer: Uh okay , so good news fromme uh uh for me from Hamed , but bad news from Bob obviously , because spongy design , I don't like it as {gap} {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay , so could you please , Fabien , open it .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:I'm person two . And which one , uh probably the first one . I'm not sure but check the first one . I {disfmarker} Most of the things I have to write myself on theboard , but {disfmarker}Project Manager: This one , yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah , that's it . Just {disfmarker} It's only this slide ? Yeah . This this is just uhone thing I wanted to mention and show you that I just uh I just found this , that our company uh developed a s a seven f seven fingers or I'll just{disfmarker}Marketing: Inch .Industrial Designer: Yeah , seven seven inch T_ {disfmarker} T_F_T_ screen , which is good news for us , since we wanted toinclude a display there . Uh so I I probably draw it down raw scheme .Project Manager: Oh , {gap} .Industrial Designer: This is this is the stuff that I can use to{disfmarker}Project Manager: Oops .Industrial Designer: Okay , so the {disfmarker} this will be like the overall scheme or overall requirements from theengineering point of view . Uh first thing is uh this will be the overall shape , no uh I'm not speaking about the real shape of the device , but the shape of theinside of the device . So there will be some circuit uh for the power . So , say power circuit here . Uh the main energy will be taken from batteries that we can uhuh {disfmarker} And if we decide to use the speech recognition stuff there , we must use additional source of energy , which I found the best is to use the solarcells which can which can uh supply everything . I was computing all the all the things related to the speech recognition , and it's okay to use just uh two batteriesand solar cells , so . So no problem . There can be also solar cell . Uh the main board with all the circuits will take at least seven to seven centimetres , so this ismy like hard requirement for the guys from the design .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: So at least seven to seven . It depends where you put yourscreen , because the screen is uh seven inch , so it depends on you where where you put it .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: It doesn't matter . Umit's just one cord from from the main board to the screen which can be elsewhere . So this will be T_F_T_ . And on the main board we have the um interface tothe microphone , which is somewhere , say here . Interface to the microphone . Then the graphical card uh for the T_F_T_ and the third unit is the I_R_ . Thegood news is that we can uh we decided to use the infra-red unit because our company has also developed the chip for communication by the infra-red , includingall the stuff inside , so it will be very cheap for us . So infra-red here . So the {disfmarker} once again the overall requirements , seven to seven centimetres forthe board , which has to be {disfmarker} which can be spongy but has to be this size , and the T_F_T_ which is seven inches . Um I have to check what I wantedto {disfmarker} Uh from my point of view I don't care about the about the material used for the overall des uh ov all the device .Project Manager: Can you fit anyuh for example a T_F_T_ or any electronic device in a spongy thing , or is there any problem for that ? For example , put electronic card on a spongy thing , I canI can imagine it could be a problem .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} A all these things in in uh in this box are okay to put in in any shape , basically .ProjectManager: Yep .Industrial Designer: But we have to take care of the T_F_T_ . Well , sponginess . Maybe it a good feature , since it takes {disfmarker} if it's around"}
{"doc_id":"doc_119","qid":"","text":"The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota (NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)): I call this meeting to order. Welcome to the 13th meeting of the House of Commons SpecialCommittee on the COVID-19 Pandemic. This will be a hybrid meeting. Some members will be participating via video conference and some will be participating inperson. In order to ensure that those joining the meeting via video conference can be seen and heard by those in the chamber, two screens have been set up oneither side of the Chairs chair, and members in the chamber can listen to the floor audio or to interpretation using the earpieces at their desks. Before speaking,please wait until I recognize you by name, and please direct your remarks through the chair. For those joining via video conference, I would like to remind you toleave your mike on muteMr. Ziad Aboultaif (Edmonton Manning, CPC): I have a point of order.The Chair: Can the member wait for the point of order until wefinish the introduction?Mr. Ziad Aboultaif: There is so much noise in the background over there, Mr. Chair.The Chair: That is a very good point of order. I want toremind everyone that when we speak, it is picked up. We have amazing speakersand an amazing Speaker, but that's a whole other storyand amazingmicrophones in the chamber, and they do pick up everything. I know there was some chatter going on in the background. I want to make sure everyone is awareof that. Mr. Aboultaif, that was a very good point of order. I appreciate that. For those joining us via video conference, I would like to remind you to leave yourmikes on mute when you're not speaking. Also, please note that if you want to speak in English, you should be on the English channel, and if you want to speak inFrench, you should be on the French channel. Should you wish to alternate between the two languages, you should change the channel to the language that youare speaking each time you switch languages. Should members participating by video conference wish to request the floor outside their designated speakingtimes, they should activate their mic and state that they have a point of order. Those in the Chamber can rise in the usual way. Please note that today'sproceedings will be televised. I understand that there are no ministerial announcements for today, so we'll continue to the presentation of petitions, for a periodnot exceeding 15 minutes. I would like to remind members that any petition presented during a meeting of the special committee must have already beencertified by the clerk of petitions. For members participating in person, we ask that they please come and drop the signed certificate off at the table once thepetition is presented. The first petition goes to Mr. Manly, who is joining us via video conference.Mr. Paul Manly (NanaimoLadysmith, GP): Thank you, Mr. Chair.This is a petition that calls on the government to deal with helping our honey bees. They are crucial to our food system. They provide hundreds of billions ofdollars worth of services to commercial agricultural crops and other ecological services every year, and the European Union has put heavy restrictions on thechemicals that are affecting them, the neonicotinoids. This petition calls on the Government of Canada, for the sake of bees and our food security, to followEurope's lead and adhere to the precautionary principle by banning the use of neonicotinoids in Canada.The Chair: The next presenter of petitions will be Mr.Genuis, who is very parliamentary and dressed from the waist up, I understand.Mr. Garnett Genuis (Sherwood ParkFort Saskatchewan, CPC): Thank you, Mr.Chair, and that is all you need to see for the moment. Canadians are horrified by the military report on the conditions of long-term care in Ontario. It raises bigquestions about the choices facing seniors in certain situations, which is what makes this first petition particularly timely. I am tabling a petition related to BillC-7, the government's euthanasia bill, which seeks to dramatically remove safeguards that the government said were vital only a short time ago. When somepeople are living in deplorable conditions, we cannot truly speak of them as having a choice of when they ought to die. Especially in light of that new information,I commend this petition for the consideration of members of the House. The second petition is in support of Bill S-204 on organ harvesting and trafficking, putforward in the Senate. The bill would make it a criminal offence for a person to go abroad and receive an organ without the donor's consent. This bill seeks tocombat the horrific practice of forced organ harvesting and trafficking.The Chair: The next petition presenter will be Ms. May.Ms. Elizabeth May (SaanichGulfIslands, GP): Thank you, Mr. Chair, and greetings from SaanichGulf Islands. The petition I'm presenting today is petition e-2509, which has been duly certified. Itrelates to what I think many of us will regard as the real heroes of the last few months. In this pandemic, there have often been very underpaid and overworkedfront-line workers who receive minimum wage and nothing more, and who are of course deemed essential services. The petitioners have asked the governmentto implement a wage supplement as a temporary measure to bring the wages for those who are in contact with the general public and working in what has beendeemed an essential service to no less than $20 an hour, in light of their service and the risks they're taking for all of us.The Chair: We have a point of order fromMs. Harder.Ms. Rachael Harder (Lethbridge, CPC): Mr. Chair, the honourable member who just spoke brought up a great point yesterday. She said that when wepresent petitions, we are simply supposed to give one or two sentences before putting them on the table. I believe that was more than one or two sentences.TheChair: I want to remind honourable members that when they are presenting petitions, they should be very concise with the prcis that they give up front, asopposed to going on for a long time. Now we will proceed to statements by members for a period not exceeding 15 minutes, and each statement will be for oneminute. We will start with Mr. Fonseca.Mr. Peter Fonseca (Mississauga EastCooksville, Lib.): Thank you, Mr. Chair. Today I am honoured to recognize the youth inmy riding of Mississauga EastCooksville who are part of the 52nd Mississauga Scouts. For over a decade, I've had the great opportunity to join the Scouts everyyear during the month of May for the door-to-door food drives. This year has been a lot different, owing to the COVID situation, but our Scouts are not used tosaying the word impossible. David Chant, head leader for their cub pack, reached out to share that the youth have found innovative ways to engage ourcommunity through a virtual food bank. I say a big thank you to Scout leaders like David, who are strong role models for our youth, teaching them theimportance of leadership, kindness and giving back. I've always been amazed with the support within our community for the Scouts' food drive. David and hisgroup of Scouts raised over $46,000 worth of food last year for the Mississauga Food Bank and The Compass. Again, I give a huge virtual high-five to all of ouryoung Scouts, who have taken the lead with lots of compassion and care.The Chair: We'll now go on to Mr. Richards.Mr. Blake Richards (BanffAirdrie, CPC): May24 to May 31 is Tourism Week in Canada. This annual celebration is a time for us to recognize the contributions and experiences of Canada's tourism industry.This is a very important industry, and this year's Tourism Week is a little different from what it normally is. The ongoing coronavirus crisis has closed provincialand international borders to recreational travel, and tourism operators from coast to coast have been among the first and hardest hit due to thegovernment-mandated lockdowns. Clear criteria regarding border reopenings and health and safety requirements will allow hospitality and tourism businesses tosufficiently prepare to reopen. This includes rehiring employees, ordering supplies and putting together tour packages and marketing plans. Operators do notneed to be set back any further because of a lack of clarity around reopening. While this Tourism Week is not a celebration like the one we had expected, Ianticipate next year's celebration to be a celebration of an even stronger and more successful tourism industry in Canada.  The 1.8 million Canadians whose jobsdepend on a thriving tourism sector are counting on it.   Bonne semaine to tourism.The Chair: We'll go on to Mr. Rogers.Mr. Churence Rogers(BonavistaBurinTrinity, Lib.): Mr. Chair, Monday was a sad day in my riding of BonavistaBurinTrinity, and indeed our entire province. Please join me as I offersincere condolences to the families of the men who lost their lives at sea in a tragic accident off the coast of St. Lawrence in Placentia Bay.  Ed Norman, his sonScott Norman and his nephew Jody Norman all tragically lost their lives while fishing for crab this past Monday. A fourth man, family friend Isaac Kettle, was alsowith them. After a courageous search mission by Canadian Coast Guard auxiliary members and the Department of National Defence and Provincial Airlines, he isunfortunately still missing. We grieve with the entire town of St. Lawrence as they mourn this tragic loss of life. Mr. Chair, I am sure the entire province ofNewfoundland and Labrador, this parliamentary family and Canadians from coast to coast to coast join me in thinking of these men, along with their friends andfamilies, during this difficult time. Thank you, Mr. Chair.The Chair: We'll now continue with Mr.Simard.Mr. Mario Simard (Jonquire, BQ): Thank you, Mr.Chair. Iwould like to speak to you today about a solid man who unfortunately passed away on May25. We were greatly saddened to learn about the death ofFrancisDufour. This builder of Quebec's political history drew his last breath at the age of91, late Sunday night. Mr.Dufour was the archetypal proudrepresentative of my region who spent his entire life in Jonquire. He first became involved in the Alcan employee's union in Arvida, then continued his civicinvolvement at the municipal level as mayor, then in the Quebec National Assembly as the member for Jonquire. He will be remembered as a man with deep tiesto his community, a man of integrity, a people person, who dedicated himself to serving citizens and advancing the independence movement in Quebec. Onbehalf of the people of the riding of Jonquire and all the people of Quebec, I offer my most sincere condolences to FrancisDufour's family and loved ones. Thankyou.The Chair: We are continuing with MartinezFerrada.Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada (Hochelaga, Lib.): Thank you, Mr.Chair. The pandemic has greatly affectedMontreal East, particularly the riding of Hochelaga, which I represent. Today, I'd like to recognize the exceptional work of all the volunteers and organizations inHochelaga that are helping the more vulnerable populations, including Anonyme, CAP St-Barnab, CARE Montral, the Cuisine collective Hochelaga-Maisonneuve,Bouffe Action, the Centre Communautaire Hochelaga, Chic Resto Pop, Jojo Dpannage, Groupe d'Entraide de Mercier-Ouest and many others. I'd like toacknowledge the commitment of the merchants who have rolled up their sleeves, including the Coop Couturires Pop, to make masks. I'd especially like to"}
{"doc_id":"doc_120","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So we are here for the concept design meeting . So , we will first start bysummarizing the mm {vocalsound} the previous meeting and the decision we've taken . Uh I will take notes during this meeting so uh that you can uh look at myuh folder to see the summary of this meeting afterwards . So each of you will uh show us the various investigation they've done during uh previous uh hours .We'll then t take decision in concert and then uh uh we will uh define the nest {disfmarker} next task , to have {disfmarker} to be done before the next meeting .So , last time we decided to have a simple interface . We also decided to have a wheel to change channel {disfmarker} previous channel button . Channel digit uhbuttons should be uh protected by plastic cover or something for the remote control to look very simple . We have also button for volume , and to switch on offthe T_V_ . We have also uh the lightening feature for the remote control to be easy to find , and for fast development and low cost we have decided to have noL_C_D_ no voice features . So now uh we will have three presentations . So the conceptual specification by Industrial Designer , the specification of the U_I_ by{disfmarker} or U_I_ {vocalsound}User Interface: Abdul al-Hasred is my name .Project Manager: okay . {vocalsound} And uh the last point is uh trend watchingby Market Expert . So maybe we can start with uh industrial design . So this is the presentation .Industrial Designer: Uh , I_D_ you want ?Project Manager:Maybe I can switch slide uh on your request .Industrial Designer: Yeah . I only v have three slides , so . I just look at the mm {disfmarker} um just this . Onsome web pages to find some documentationProject Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: and I think a remote control is , as I s mentioned previously , you justhave a a very simple chip and the mm the user interface is just done usually by push button and in our case we are using a um a wheel control . So uh uh I waslooking basically for that chip , which is uh very very standard , and uh I just looked for the wheel sensor and the standard push button . And um {vocalsound}yeah we can change directly .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: In fact I have the number of that element which is very standard for remote control .The push button are usually extremely cheap , but I just have one problem and this is related with the wheel sensor , which seems to be quite expensive .ProjectManager: Okay .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: And I think we if we could just talk about that if we really need a wheel sensor or if we can not{disfmarker} if if we could combine something with the push button .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Uh a wheel sensor is fifty time the price of a a apush button .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: But is it a significant price on the whole remote control ?User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: Because wecan afford up to twelve Euros for the price of the remote control .Industrial Designer: Yeah . YeahProject Manager: So will will will this with uh including allpossible things , so buttons , wheel and the chip , be uh lower than twelve Euros to produce ?Industrial Designer: I I th {vocalsound} But I don't think that uh weshould {disfmarker} We should talk about uh the design of the box also which needs some money .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: OkayUser Interface:Also have to say {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: But {disfmarker}User Interface: Did you receive the email about the voice recognition ?Industrial Designer:Um that's all {vocalsound}User Interface: No ?Project Manager: You received something {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: yeah . I haven't checUser Interface:Yeah . You we uh an email from the manufacturing division that they have basically a voice recognition chip already developed .Project Manager: Hmm .UserInterface: Says {disfmarker} Yeah . It says that ri right now they just use it to uh to record uh answers to particular questions . But I guess it could be{disfmarker}Project Manager: And could it be adapted ?User Interface: I guess it's possible . I mean instead of recording the answers you can just uh record uhsomething simpler like a command .Project Manager: Okay and there can uh recognize some commands and stuff ?User Interface: Yeah you reco recognizecommands and you can record new commands and stuff , so if they already have it as uh as a chipProject Manager: Okay . Yeah .User Interface: then we wecould use it .Project Manager: Okay maybe we can just uh listen to this presentation and then take decision later on {disfmarker} according to those news.Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Yeah but I think it's yeah {disfmarker} Sorry , I haven't written my personalreferences . Um {vocalsound} the I I just want to mention the the problem of the the r wheels sensor which is much more expensive than any push button,Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: and if we could reduce that . We we have already some good things uh with um um with the backlight of the pushbutton .User Interface: Mm-hmm . I have a question about that actually {vocalsound} . Um , what is the purpose of the light ?Industrial Designer: Just to tomake something which is uh slightly more design that uh a squarey box with a rubber {disfmarker}User Interface: Is {disfmarker}Project Manager: You caneasily find the button in the dark or so ?User Interface: But {disfmarker} But in th in the dark uh {disfmarker} Yeah but is going to be always turned on , thelight ?Project Manager: It will be turned on when the when the user move the remote control I think , no ?User Interface: But if you move it then you have it ,you don't need to find it .Project Manager: Hmm .User Interface: You can see the buttons better , of course .Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah .User Interface: Yeah.Project Manager: Yeah . True .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Actually .User Interface: But if you move it then you have to have some sensor to {disfmarker} whenyou move it to detect your movement .Industrial Designer: As soon as you thought to move the the remote control you have the light .User Interface: Yeah , butyou need another sensor for that , right ?Industrial Designer: Yeah . Again .User Interface: Yeah {vocalsound} no it's too expensive . {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: I don't think that this is really expensive , but at the end this is plenty of unexpen eh very cheap devices but uh the bill starts to be {disfmarker}UserInterface: Okay . Mm . Extra . Yeah , okay . Mm . Yeah , but I expected also the wheel would be cheap but you tell me that it is very expensive so ,IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} First of all I was thinking to have a a continuous lightUser Interface: yeah .Industrial Designer: and you w when t you you you you pressthe on button you have the light on your remote control , when you want to turn off your device {disfmarker}User Interface: Mm . Mm-hmm .Project Manager:But it can be uh battery consuming , no ? To have the light always on ?Industrial Designer: Yeah , a little bit . A little bit .User Interface: Mm .Project Manager:Well we will discuss that after maybeIndustrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: OkayProject Manager: the other presentations .User Interface: . So uh my one , ituh should be in the shared folder .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: So . It was last time I saw it .Project Manager: And it is .User Interface: Okay . So,Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: {vocalsound} just move to the next slide . {vocalsound} So basically {vocalsound} want very simple , right ? That's themajor idea , as simple as possible .Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah .User Interface: So I just look at some current designs uh on the web , of usually morecomplicated remote controls . And let's look at two of them because uh th even though they have many buttons they look quite simple . And in our case we justuh reject the buttons what we don't need and it become even simpler .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Um . {vocalsound} So .Project Manager: And alsodoes it uh fit well in hand ? Because it was uh th your wrist problem with the usage .User Interface: Yeah . Well this these uh these remotes are quite big , so goto the next page , so . We have all these buttons as you can see , but most of them , we just need the ones in the middle .Project Manager: Yeah {vocalsound} .Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: So , from the bottom or whatever is there , uh the uh the numbers and then the top , uh until the ten also , thismiddle part ,Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah .User Interface: and on the left one is exactly the same . So it's basically more or less how we would like it , with a bigvolume control , big channel control , and mute and power , yeah ?Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: These are the basic thing .Project Manager: So it's onlythe central part .User Interface: So basically , w software we will build will look more or less the same as these two .Project Manager: Yeah . With a maybe amore ergonomic design on on the bottom part .User Interface: Yeah , if you have , for example {vocalsound} {disfmarker} I think that the volume and thebuttons that are there on the top are not very easy to reach with your thumb .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: It could be on the right side , for example.Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Yeah . Because we don't have these input buttons and this other stuff that they have . And I think that the plastic coveris not very good uh idea becauseProject Manager: Okay .User Interface: you open it , it can break , you ca you can do various things .Project Manager: Okay .SUser Interface: Uh you just need to put the channel numbers somewhere a bit out of the way .Project Manager: Okay . Will be down or {disfmarker}UserInterface: So that they're separate a bit ,Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: yeah . Uh and it's easy to press the other {disfmarker} the big buttons , but uh ,it's not that difficult to press the the channel buttons either . Mm . Yeah , I think that if you put the cover it will be even more difficult for the user .ProjectManager: Okay .User Interface: Alright , you won't {disfmarker} yeah . Usually what {disfmarker} I have noticed that people put the plastic cover on things thatyou normally don't mess with , like buttons for t uh tuning the channels and stuff like that .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Yeah . That you want toprotect a bit . And I think it's uh it's reasonable .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: So , I don't think {disfmarker} Yeah , this is just the the wheel .ProjectManager: Mm .User Interface: We could use the {disfmarker} some wheels can be pushed down , could use the push down of the wheel for the record if we want.Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Uh so we could just basically use one just wheel and uh user could use just the wheel to do everything with thechannels in that case .Project Manager: Yeah . Maybe the wheel will be a {vocalsound} good advantage over our competitors .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm.Project Manager: Because otherwise it's pretty standard apart the fact that it's very simple . So maybe it's worse to uh to have more expense on that's thataspect .Industrial Designer: To s Mm-hmm .User Interface: Yeah , I guess the market researcher will tell us all about that .Project Manager: Okay . So we can"}
{"doc_id":"doc_121","qid":"","text":"Grad A: OK , this is one channel . Can you uh , say your name and talk into your mike one at a time ?PhD C: This is Eric on channel three , I believe .Grad A: OK .Uh , I don't think it 's on there , Jane .Undergrad D: Tasting one two three , tasting .Postdoc E: OK , this is Jane on channel five .Grad A: Uh , I still don't see youJane .Postdoc E: Oh , darn , what am I doing wrong ?Undergrad D: Can you see me on channel four ? Really ?Grad A: Yeah , I sUndergrad D: My lucky day.Postdoc E: Uh , screen no , {disfmarker} it is , oh , maybe it just warmed up ?Grad A: No .Postdoc E: Oh , darn , can you can't see channel five yet ?Grad A: Uh ,well , the mike isn't close enough to your mouth , so .Postdoc E: Oh , this would be k OK , is that better ?Grad A: S uh , try speaking loudly ,Undergrad D: I likethe high quality labelling .Grad A: so ,Postdoc E: Hello ,Grad A: OK , good .Undergrad D: David , can we borrow your labelling machine to improve the quality ofthe labelling a little bit here ?Postdoc E: hello . Alright .Grad A: Thank you .PhD B: One tUndergrad D: How {disfmarker} how many are there , one to five ?PhDB: One five , yeah .Undergrad D: Yeah , please .Postdoc E: Would you like to join the meeting ?Grad A: Well , we don't wanna renumber them ,Postdoc E: I bet{disfmarker}Grad A: cuz we 've already have like , forms filled out with the numbers on them . So , let 's keep the same numbers on them .PhD B: Yeah , OK ,that 's a good idea .Grad A: OK , Dan , are you on ?PhD B: I 'm on {disfmarker} I 'm on two and I should be on .Grad A: Good .PhD B: Yeah .Undergrad D: Wantto join the meeting , Dave ? Do we {disfmarker} do {disfmarker} do we have a spare , uh {disfmarker}Grad A: And I 'm getting lots of responses on differentones , so I assume {pause} the various and assorted P Z Ms are on .Undergrad D: We ' r we 're {disfmarker} we ' r This is {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} this isa meeting meeting .Postdoc E: This is abou we 're {disfmarker} we 're mainly being taped but we 're gonna talk about , uh , transcription for the m futuremeeting meetings .Grad A: Stuff . Yeah , this is not something you need to attend . So .Postdoc E: Yeah . e OK .PhD C: You 're always having one of those days ,Dave .Postdoc E: Y you 'd be welcome .Grad A: Besides , I don't want anyone who has a weird accent .Postdoc E: You 'd be welcome .Grad A: Right , Dan?Undergrad D: So , I don't understand if it 's neck mounted you don't get very good performance .PhD C: It 's not neck mounted . It 's supposed to be h headmounted .Undergrad D: Yeah . It {disfmarker} it should be head mounted . Right ?Grad A: Well , then put it on your head .PhD B: I don't know .PhD C: Right.Grad A: What are you doing ?Undergrad D: Cuz when you do this , you can {disfmarker} Rouww - Rouww .Postdoc E: Why didn't I {disfmarker} you were sayingthat but I could hear you really well on the {disfmarker} on the transcription {disfmarker} on the , uh , tape .Grad A: Well , I m I would prefer that people wore iton their headPhD B: I {disfmarker} I don't know .PhD C: iGrad A: but they were complaining about it . Because it 's not {disfmarker} it doesn't go over the ears.Undergrad D: Why ?Postdoc E: It 's badly designed .Grad A: It 's very badly designed so it 's {disfmarker}PhD B: It 's very badly designed ?Undergrad D: Whatdo you mean it doesn't go over the ears ?PhD B: Why ? It 's not s It 's not supposed to cover up your ears .Grad A: Yeah but , there 's nowhere to put the pad soit 's comfortable .PhD B: I mean , it 's only badly {disfmarker}Postdoc E: So that 's what you 're d He 's got it on his temples so it cuts off his circulation .PhD B:Oh , that 's strange .PhD C: Yeah , that 's {disfmarker} that 's what I have .Grad A: And it feels so good that way .PhD C: It feels so good when I stop .Grad A:So I {disfmarker} I again would like to do some digits .Undergrad D: Somebody wanna {disfmarker}Postdoc E: Try it .Grad A: Um .Undergrad D: Somebodywanna close the door ?Grad A: Sure .PhD B: OK .Postdoc E: We could do it with noise .Grad A: So let me {disfmarker}PhD C: You 're always doing digits .Grad A:Well , you know , I 'm just that sort of {disfmarker} digit - y g sorta guy . OK . So this is Adam .Postdoc E: Uh , this is the same one I had before .Grad A: I doubtit .PhD B: It 's still the same words .Grad A: I think we 're session four by the way . Or m it might be five .Undergrad D: Psss ! Oh , that 's good .Postdoc E:NoGrad A: I didn't bring my previous thing .PhD B: We didn't {disfmarker}Postdoc E: Now , just to be sure , the numbers on the back , this is the channel ?PhDB: That 's the microphone number .Postdoc E: That 's the microphone number .Grad A: Yeah , d leave the channel blank .Postdoc E: Uh - oh . OK , good.Undergrad D: But number has to be {disfmarker} ? So we have to look up the number .Postdoc E: Five {disfmarker}Grad A: Right .Undergrad D: OK , good.Postdoc E: Good . OK . Well , this is Jane , on mike number five . Um . I just start ? Do I need to say anything more ?Grad A: Uh , transcript number .PhD B:Transcript number {disfmarker}PhD C: OK , this is Eric on microphone number three ,Undergrad D: This is Beck on mike four .Grad A: Thanks . Should I turn offthe VU meter Dan ? Do you think that makes any difference ?PhD B: Oh , God . No , let me do it .Grad A: Why ? Are you gonna do something other than hit \" quit\" ?PhD B: No , but I 'm gonna look at the uh , logs as well .Grad A: Oh . Should have done it before .Postdoc E: Uh , you said turn off the what ?Grad A: The VUmeter which tells you what the levels on the various mikes are and there was one hypothesis that perhaps that {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the act of recordingthe VU meter was one of the things that contributed to the errors .Postdoc E: Oh . Oh , I see .Undergrad D: Yeah , but Eric , uh , you didn't think that was areasonable hypothesis , right ?Postdoc E: I See .Grad A: That was me ,Undergrad D: Oh , I 'm sorry yGrad A: I thought that was {disfmarker}Undergrad D: Thatwas malarkey .Grad A: Well , the only reason that could be is if the driver has a bug . Right ? Because the machine just isn't very heavily loaded .Undergrad D: Nochance of that .Grad A: No chance of that . Just because it 's beta . Look OK ?PhD B: Yeah , there {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} there was {disfmarker} therewas a {disfmarker} there was a bug . There was a glitch last time we ran .Undergrad D: Are - are yo are you recording where the table mikes are by the way?PhD B: No .Undergrad D: Do you know which channels {disfmarker}Grad A: Yeah , we usually do that .PhD B: No , we don't .Grad A: Yeah .PhD B: But we{disfmarker} we ought to st we ought to standardize .Undergrad D: Why not ?PhD B: I think , {vocalsound} uh , I s I spoke to somebody , Morgan , {comment}about that . I think {disfmarker} I think we should put mar Well , no , w we can do that .Undergrad D: Why don't you just do this ?Grad A: I mean , that 's whatwe 've done before .PhD B: I know what they {disfmarker} they 're {disfmarker} they 're four , three , two , one . In order now .Undergrad D: Four .PhD B:Three , two , {vocalsound} and one .Undergrad D: Three .PhD B: But I think {disfmarker} I think we should put them in standard positions . I think we shouldmake little marks on the table top .Grad A: Which means we need to move this thing , and sorta decide how we 're actually going to do things .PhD B: So that wecan put them {disfmarker}Postdoc E: Oh , OK .PhD B: I guess that 's the point .Grad A: So .PhD B: It 'll be a lot easier if we have a {disfmarker} if we have thempermanently in place or something like that .Grad A: Right .Postdoc E: I do wish there were big booms coming down from the ceiling .PhD B: You do ?Postdoc E:Yeah .PhD C: Would it make you feel more important ?Grad A: Mmm .Postdoc E: Yeah , yeah , yeah .PhD C: I see .Undergrad D: Wait till the projector getsinstalled .Postdoc E: You know .Grad A: That 'll work .Postdoc E: Oh , that 'll be good .Grad A: That 'll work .PhD B: Oh , gosh .Undergrad D: Cuz it 's gonna hangdown , make noise .Postdoc E: OK .PhD B: When 's it gonna be installed ?Postdoc E: OK .Undergrad D: Well , {vocalsound} it depends onPhD B: I see .UndergradD: Is this b is this being recorded ?Grad A: That 's right .Undergrad D: Uh , I think Lila actually is almost getting r pretty close to even getting ready to put out thepurchase order .PhD B: OK . Cool .Undergrad D: I handed it off to her about a month ago .PhD B: I see .Grad A: OK , so , topic of this meeting is I wanna talk alittle bit about transcription . Um , I 've looked a little bit into commercial transcription services and Jane has been working on doing transcription . Uh , and so wewan wanna decide what we 're gonna do with that and then get an update on the electronics , and then , uh , maybe also talk a little bit about some infrastructureand tools , and so on . Um , you know , eventually we 're probably gonna wanna distribute this thing and we should decide how we 're gonna {disfmarker} howwe 're gonna handle some of these factors . So .PhD B: Distribute what ?Grad A: Hmm ?PhD B: The data ?Grad A: Right . Right . I mean , so we 're {disfmarker}we 're collecting a corpus and I think it 's gonna be generally useful . I mean , it seems like it 's not a corpus which is {disfmarker} uh , has been done before .And so I think people will be interested in having {disfmarker} having it ,PhD B: Oh .Grad A: and so we will {disfmarker}Undergrad D: u Using , like , audio D VDs or something like that ?Grad A: Excuse me ?PhD B: Yes .Undergrad D: Audio D VGrad A: Well , or something . Yeah , audio D V C Ds ,Undergrad D: Or tGradA: you know .Undergrad D: Yeah . tapes .Grad A: And {disfmarker} and so how we do we distribute the transcripts , how do we distribute the audio files , how dowe {disfmarker} how do we just do all that infrastructure ?PhD C: Well , I think {disfmarker} I mean , for that particular issue ther there are known sourceswhere people go to {disfmarker} to find these kind of things like the LDC for instance .Postdoc E: Yeah ,Grad A: Right , but {disfmarker} but so should we do it inthe same format as LDCPostdoc E: that 's right .Grad A: and what does that mean to what we 've done already ?PhD B: Right . The {disfmarker} It 's not somuch the actu The logistics of distribution are secondary to {pause} preparing the data in a suitable form for distribution .PhD C: Right .Grad A: Right . So , uh ,as it is , it 's sort of a {pause} ad - hoc combination of stuff Dan set and stuff I set up , which we may wanna make a little more formal . So .PhD B: And the otherthing is that , um , University of Washington may want to start recording meetings as well ,Grad A: Right .PhD B: in which case w w we 'll have to decide what we've actually got so that we can give them a copy .Grad A: That 's right .Undergrad D: A field trip .Grad A: Yeah . I was actually thinking I wouldn't mind spendingthe summer up there . That would be kind of fun .PhD B: Oh , really ?Grad A: Yeah . Visit my friends and spend some time {disfmarker}PhD B: Different for you .Yes .Grad A: Well , and then also I have a bunch of stuff for doing this digits . So I have a bunch of scripts with X Waves , and some Perl scripts , and other thingsthat make it really easy to extract out {vocalsound} and align where the digits are . And if U d UW 's going to do the same thing I think it 's worth while for themto do these digits tasks as well .Undergrad D: Mm - hmm .Grad A: And what I 've done is pretty ad - hoc , um , so we might wanna change it over to something a"}
{"doc_id":"doc_122","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Good morning . Sorry ? Yeah , busy job . Good morning . So {disfmarker} Oh , good morning everyone .User Interface: Good morning.Industrial Designer: Good morning .Project Manager: I'd uh like to welcome you to our first meeting . I've prepared a little presentation . My name is {gap} anduh I hope you will introduce yourself uh in a few minutes , as will I . Um I'm the Project Manager of this project , and uh , well I will tell you {gap} on whatactually is the project . This is uh the agenda for our first meeting . Um this is the opening , then we will get {disfmarker} {gap} I will hope we will get acquaintedto each other . We'll do a little tool training with these two things . We'll take a look at the project plan . Uh there will be time for discussion . Actually we have todiscuss because we have to create a product . And then we will close this session . Um but first of all we I'd like to uh introduce you to this room . Um as youprobably have noticed there are little black uh fields on the table . Um you have to put your laptop exactly in that field so the little cameras can see your face .Um there are camerasIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: everywhere around the room especially here for your face , of course , and this isn't apie , it's a a set of microphonesIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: and there are microphones here also . But please uh don't be afraid of them.User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: They won't hurt you . Um well uhUser Interface: Well {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: I said I'm the Project Manager and uh I'm hoping uh for a good project and uh I'd like to hear uh who you are and what your functions are uh on thisproject . Let's start with the ladies {vocalsound} {vocalsound} .User Interface: Well uh I'm uh {gap} and my uh function is User Interface Design , I think.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} So uh that's me .Industrial Designer: Okay , uh I'm {gap} uh I'm the Industrial Designer and Iuh hope to uh {disfmarker} look forward to uh a very uh pleasing uh end of this uh project .Project Manager: Okay , so I .User Interface: Me too .Marketing: Myname's {gap} . I'm uh {vocalsound} Marketing Expert . {vocalsound} My job is in the company to promote company or promote products to the customers . So Ialso h hope we have a pleasant uh working with uh with each other .Project Manager: Okay , well we have some expertise from uh different pieces of the of thecompany .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: That's good . Um well I said uh we're working on a project and the aim for the project is to to create a{disfmarker} to design a new remote control which uh has to be original , trendy and of course , user friendly . {vocalsound} And uh I hope we have theexpertise to create such a project {disfmarker} such a product . Um the way we hope to achieve that is uh the following methods . It consists of three phases ,namely the functional design , conceptual design and detailed design . As you can see , all of these phases consists of two parts , namely individual work part anda meeting where we will discuss uh our work so far . Okay . But first I will uh tell you something about the tools we have here . I already talked about thecameras and microphones , but they are not of uh much use to us . Uh we will have to take advantage of these two things . They are smart boards . As you cansee , you can give a presentation on them . And uh this one here is a white board . I will uh instruct you about that soon . Um as you also noticed uh thispresentation document is in our uh project folder and every document you put in this folder uh is uh it is possible to show that here in our meeting room . Um andyeah there are available on both smart boards but I think we will uh mainly use this one for the documents in the shared folder . As you can see , this is the sametool bar uh as is located here . Um the most functions uh we will use will be to to add a new page , um uh to go back and forward between pages , and of courseuh to save it every now and then . Um and this is the pen with which you can draw on the board , for instance like this if everything's okay ,User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: but I first have to put it on the pen , you see I'm new to it too .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um and then youcan write things like test or whatever you want .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Oh .Project Manager: As you can see you have to move it alittle bit slow , it's not such a fast board , it's a smart board but also a slow board .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Uh but you can write things and of course you can also , when you click here , uh erase things , so we have uh est left . And um you can also delete anentire page , but we ask you not to do that . Just simply create a new one and uh start all over because we want to save all the results . Um does everyoneunderstand thisUser Interface: {vocalsound} So we can't erase anything .Project Manager: nice application ?Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Mm-hmm.Project Manager: Well you can erase it with the eraser , but uh you shouldn't delete an entire page , but just create a new blank one .User Interface: Right.Marketing: SProject Manager: I will delete this one now because we don't use it yet .User Interface: Alright .Project Manager: But you can of course erase whenyou make a mistake , but don't uh delete entire pages . And you can also um let's see I think it's here uh change the uh colour of your pen , for instance take ablue one and uh change the line width like to five . Um that's what you will need for our first exercise , because I'm uh going to ask you to draw your favouriteanimal .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: It's also to gets to know each other because um I'm asking three things, uh for that uh drawing ,Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: to do it on a blank sheet , with different colours and I just showed you how to pick a colour ,and also with different pen widths which I also showed you . Um and a favourite characteristic can be just uh one word . Well I'm not very good at drawing , but Iwill uh go first and um try to draw {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Or maybe you should guess what I'm drawing , eh .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Good .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Hmm.Marketing: {gap} No .User Interface: It's a sheep . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: DinosIndustrialDesigner: Seal , a seal . {vocalsound}Marketing: Dinosaur .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Beaver .User Interface: {gap} A beaver .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: A be {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well it uhUser Interface: It's weird . {vocalsound}Project Manager: could be everything.Industrial Designer: Mm . With a tail and a mouth .Project Manager: Maybe when I put onUser Interface: It has wings ?Marketing: Turtle .Project Manager: thisthing it could be a turtle , or a snail ,Industrial Designer: Snail . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Well the snail doesn't have legs .Industrial Designer:Okay .Project Manager: But a turtle has . And those are slow . And I hope our project group will not be slow ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager:but we will uh work to a good resultIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: and do it uh as fast as we can . Okay , time for another animal . Wouldyou like to go next ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} No problem . No problem .Industrial Designer: Sure .User Interface: {vocalsound} Ohright .Marketing: Mm . It was four months ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Nice , okay .User Interface: Well . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} The hell .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} To make it a little bit easier . {gap}User Interface: {vocalsound} It's a giraffe.Industrial Designer: Make that cute . {vocalsound}User Interface: Or a dinosaur . {vocalsound}Marketing: No , it's a giraffe . 'Kay .User Interface:{gap}Marketing: I think it's easy to r uh to recognise as a giraffe .User Interface: Yes . Giraffe .Industrial Designer: {gap}Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing:{vocalsound} Yeah , the favourite charis characteristic is that the long neck , {vocalsound} it can reach everything . And I hope I can also reach a lot with thisproject . So that's my favourite animal .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Anything else you need to know ?Project Manager: Could you write the words , uhunderneath it ? Or more words .Marketing: Oh , uh {gap}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Tall . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Tall . So,User Interface: Should I uh {disfmarker}Marketing: 'kay .User Interface: Alright .Marketing: {gap}User Interface: So I can draw , but uh {disfmarker} Uh . Well. {vocalsound} Oh .Industrial Designer: B {vocalsound}Marketing: It's a mouse .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Bunny rabbit .{vocalsound}Marketing: A bunny rabbit . {vocalsound}User Interface: {gap} Oh wrong one . Uh . {gap}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Well uhIndustrial Designer: {gap}User Interface: you can guess what it is , I hope . {vocalsound}Marketing: Uh-huh .No problem .Project Manager: Little rabbits .User Interface: It's a rabbit .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} And uh well uh it's uhquick , I guess . That's uh my uh favourite animal . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay , thank you .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: And our finaldrawing .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Bob Ross .User Interface: A dolphin . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Okay , um .Marketing: Dolphin .Industrial Designer: Uh I uh draw I I've drawn a dolphin because of its intelligence .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Right .Industrial Designer: One of the most intelligent uhProject Manager:Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: animals in our world .User Interface: Well .Marketing: {gap}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah intelligent.User Interface: With an E_ .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I've I've uh {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Eraser.Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: You can try out the eraser now . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Pen . Well notperfect , but okay .Project Manager: Okay , wellUser Interface: {gap}Project Manager: thank you very much . I can see we have some uh drawing talent uh inthis group ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Not really . {vocalsound}Project Manager: huh ? Well , nice animals , nice words .Sounds good . Um back to business , back to the money part . Um from the finance department I have learned that we are aiming for a selling price of twenty fiveEuros . And we're hoping for a aim of fifty million Euros and uh we are hoping to achieve that uh by aiming for an international market . And the production cost"}
{"doc_id":"doc_123","qid":"","text":"Professor E: So . OK . Doesn't look like it crashed . That 's great .Grad G: So I think maybe what 's causing it to crash is I keep starting it and then stopping it tosee if it 's working . And so I think starting it and then stopping it and starting it again causes it to crash . So , I won't do that anymore .Postdoc B: And it lookslike you 've found a way of uh mapping the location to the {disfmarker} without having people have to give their names each time ?PhD A: Sounds like aninitialization thing .Postdoc B: I mean it 's like you have the {disfmarker} So you know that {disfmarker}Grad G: No .Postdoc B: I mean , are you going to writedown {pause} that I sat here ?Grad G: I 'm gonna collect the digit forms and write it down .Postdoc B: OK .PhD C: Oh , OK .Grad G: So {disfmarker} So theyshould be right with what 's on the digit forms . OK , so I 'll go ahead and start with digits . u And I should say that uh , you just pau you just read each line anand then pause briefly .Professor E: And start by giving the transcript number .PhD A: TranPhD D: Transcript {disfmarker} Uh . OK , OK .PhD A: Oh sorry , goahead .Professor E: So uh , you see , Don , the unbridled excitement of the work that we have on this project .Grad H: OK .Professor E: It 's just uh{disfmarker}Grad H: Umh .Professor E: Uh , you know , it doesn't seem like a bad idea to have {comment} that information .Grad G: And I 'm surprised I sort of{disfmarker} I 'm surprised I forgot that ,Professor E: Yeah , I {disfmarker} I 'd {disfmarker} I think it 's someGrad G: but uh I think that would be a good thingto add . After I just printed out a zillion of them .Professor E: Yeah , well , that 's {disfmarker} Um , so I {disfmarker} I do have a {disfmarker} a an agendasuggestion . Uh , we {disfmarker} I think the things that we talk about in this meeting uh tend to be a mixture of uh procedural uh mundane things and uhresearch points and um I was thinking I think it was a meeting a couple of weeks ago that we {disfmarker} we spent much of the time talking about the mundanestuff cuz that 's easier to get out of the way and then we sort of drifted into the research and maybe five minutes into that Andreas had to leave . So{vocalsound} uh I 'm suggesting we turn it around and {disfmarker} and uh sort of we have {disfmarker} anybody has some mundane points that we could sendan email later , uh hold them for a bit , and let 's talk about the {disfmarker} the research - y kind of things . Um , so um the one th one thing I know that wehave on that is uh we had talked a {disfmarker} a couple weeks before um uh about the uh {disfmarker} the stuff you were doing with {disfmarker} with uh umuh l l attempting to locate events , we had a little go around trying to figure out what you meant by \" events \" but I think , you know , what we had meant by \"events \" I guess was uh points of overlap between speakers . But I th I gather from our discussion a little earlier today that you also mean uh interruptions withsomething elsePhD D: Yeah .Professor E: like some other noise .PhD D: Uh - huh . Yeah .Professor E: Yes ? You mean that as an event also .PhD D: ToProfessorE: So at any rate you were {disfmarker} you 've {disfmarker} you 've done some work on thatPhD D: right .Professor E: and um then the other thing would be itmight be nice to have a preliminary discussion of some of the other uh research uh areas that uh we 're thinking about doing . Um , I think especially since you{disfmarker} you haven't been in {disfmarker} in these meetings for a little bit , maybe you have some discussion of some of the p the plausible things to look atnow that we 're starting to get data , uh and one of the things I know that also came up uh is some discussions that {disfmarker} that uh {disfmarker} that uhJane had with Lokendra uh about some {disfmarker} some {disfmarker} some um uh work about I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I d I {disfmarker} I don't wantto try to say cuz I {disfmarker} I 'll say it wrong , but anyway some {disfmarker} some potential collaboration there about {disfmarker} about the {disfmarker}about the {disfmarker} working with these data .PhD C: Oh . Sure .Professor E: So . So , uh .Grad G: You wanna just go around ?Professor E: Uh . {pause} Well ,I don't know if we {disfmarker} if this is sort of like everybody has something to contribute sort of thing , I think there 's just just a couple {disfmarker} a couplepeople primarily um but um Uh , wh why don't {disfmarker} Actually I think that {disfmarker} that last one I just said we could do fairly quickly so why don't you{disfmarker} you start with that .Postdoc B: OK . Shall I {disfmarker} shall I just start ? OK .Professor E: Yeah , just explain what it was .Postdoc B: Um , so , uh, he was interested in the question of {disfmarker} you know , relating to his {disfmarker} to the research he presented recently , um of inference structures ,and uh , the need to build in , um , this {disfmarker} this sort of uh mechanism for understanding of language . And he gave the example in his talk about how{pause} um , e a I 'm remembering it just off the top of my head right now , but it 's something about how um , i \" Joe slipped \" you know , \" John had washedthe floor \" or something like that . And I don't have it quite right , but that kind of thing , where you have to draw the inference that , OK , there 's this timesequence , but also the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the causal aspects of the uh floor and {disfmarker} and how it might have been the cause of the fall andthat um it was the other person who fell than the one who cleaned it and it {disfmarker} {comment} These sorts of things . So , I looked through the transcriptthat we have so far , {comment} and um , fou identified a couple different types of things of that type and um , one of them was something like uh , during thecourse of the transcript , um um , w we had gone through the part where everyone said which channel they were on and which device they were on , and um ,the question was raised \" Well , should we restart the recording at this point ? \" And {disfmarker} and Dan Ellis said , \" Well , we 're just so far ahead of the gameright now {pause} we really don't need to \" . Now , how would you interpret that without a lot of inference ? So , the inferences that are involved are things like ,OK , so , how do you interpret \" ahead of the game \" ? You know . So it 's the {disfmarker} it 's {pause} i What you {disfmarker} what you int what you draw{disfmarker} you know , the conclusions that you need to draw are that space is involved in recording ,Grad G: Hmm , metaphorically .Postdoc B: that um , i that{pause} i we have enough space , and he continues , like \" we 're so ahead of the game cuz now we have built - in downsampling \" . So you have to sort of getthe idea that um , \" ahead of the game \" is sp speaking with respect to space limitations , that um that in fact downsampling is gaining us enough space , andthat therefore we can keep the recording we 've done so far . But there are a lot of different things like that .Grad G: So , do you think his interest is in using thisas {pause} a data source , or {pause} training material , or what ?Professor E: Well , I {disfmarker} I should maybe interject to say this started off with adiscussion that I had with him , so um we were trying to think of ways that his interests could interact with oursGrad G: Mm - hmm .Professor E: and um uh Ithought that if we were going to project into the future when we had a lot of data , uh and um such things might be useful for that in or before we invested toomuch uh effort into that he should uh , with Jane 's help , look into some of the data that we 're {disfmarker} already have and see , is there anything to this atall ?Grad G: Mm - hmm .Professor E: Is there any point which you think that , you know , you could gain some advantage and some potential use for it . Cuz itcould be that you 'd look through it and you say \" well , this is just the wrong {pause} task for {disfmarker} for him to pursue his {disfmarker} \"Grad G: Wrong ,yeah .Professor E: And {disfmarker} and uh I got the impression from your mail that in fact there was enough things like this just in the little sample that{disfmarker} that you looked at that {disfmarker} that it 's plausible at least .Postdoc B: It 's possible . Uh , he was {disfmarker} he {disfmarker} he{disfmarker} you know {disfmarker} We met and he was gonna go and uh you know , y look through them more systematicallyProfessor E: Yeah .Postdoc B: andthen uh meet again .Professor E: Yeah .Postdoc B: So it 's , you know , not a matter of a {disfmarker}Professor E: Yeah .Postdoc B: But , yeah , I think{disfmarker} I think it was optimistic .Professor E: So anyway , that 's {disfmarker} that 's e a quite different thing from anything we 've talked about that , youknow , might {disfmarker} might {disfmarker} might come out from some of this .PhD C: But he can use text , basically . I mean , he 's talking about just usingtextPostdoc B: That 's his major {disfmarker} I mentioned several that w had to do with implications drawn from intonational contoursPhD C: pretty much , or{disfmarker} ?Postdoc B: and {pause} that wasn't as directly relevant to what he 's doing . He 's interested in these {disfmarker} these knowledge structures,PhD C: OK .PhD D: Yeah , interesting .Postdoc B: inferences that you draw {pause} i from {disfmarker}Professor E: I mean , he certainly could use text , but wewere in fact looking to see if there {disfmarker} is there {disfmarker} is there something in common between our interest in meetings and his interest in{disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in this stuff . So .Grad G: And I imagine that transcripts of speech {disfmarker} I mean text that is speech {disfmarker} probablyhas more of those than sort of prepared writing . I {disfmarker} I don't know whether it would or not , but it seems like it would .Professor E: I don't know ,probably de probably depends on what the prepared writing was . But .Postdoc B: Yeah , I don't think I would make that leap , because i in narratives , you know{disfmarker} I mean , if you spell out everything in a narrative , it can be really tedious ,Grad G: Mm - hmm .Postdoc B: so .Grad G: Yeah , I 'm just thinking ,you know , when you 're {disfmarker} when you 're face to face , you have a lot of backchannel and {disfmarker} And {disfmarker}Postdoc B: Oh . That aspect.Grad G: Yeah . And so I think it 's just easier to do that sort of broad inference jumping if it 's face to face . I mean , so , if I just read that Dan was saying \" we're ahead of the game \" {comment} in that {disfmarker} in that context ,Postdoc B: Well {disfmarker} Yeah .Grad G: I might not realize that he was talkingabout disk space as opposed to anything else .Postdoc B: I {disfmarker} you know , I {disfmarker} I had several that had to do with backchannels and thiswasn't one of them .Grad G: Uh - huh .Postdoc B: This {disfmarker} this one really does um m make you leap from {disfmarker} So he said , you know , \" we 'reahead of the game , w we have built - in downsampling \" .Grad G: Mm - hmm .Postdoc B: And the inference , i if you had it written down , would be{disfmarker}Grad G: I guess it would be the same .Postdoc B: Uh - huh . But there are others that have backchannelling , it 's just he was less interested in those.PhD F: Can I {disfmarker} Sorry to interrupt . Um , I f f f I 've {disfmarker} @ @ {comment} d A minute {disfmarker} uh , several minutes ago , I , like , briefly"}
{"doc_id":"doc_124","qid":"","text":"Marketing: Is this okay ?Project Manager: Uh yeah . Fine now . Oh , it's not liking us , it went that-a-way . Computer adjusting . Oh . Uh . Okay . {vocalsound} So. Right . You ready back there ? {vocalsound} Uh okay . Welcome everyone . Um this is the kick-off meeting for the day . Um we're the new group uh to create anew remote control for Real Reaction . As you can see our agenda is to open up the meeting , um become acquainted with each other , um have a little trainingon tools , uh create a plan , discuss things and and we only have twenty minut twenty five minutes total . Okay . The new remote control is to be original , trendyand user-friendly . That , Steph , is your part , is the user-friendliness . The originality um is gonna take all of us . Um the trendiness we'll probably go look at{disfmarker} for some marketing research information from you , Sarah . Um and we'll get on with it . Okay , so we'll have a functional design individual work umwith meeting and then conceptual design t and then detailed design . Okay ? Right . Everybody's supposed to try out the whiteboard . Kate , why don't you try itfirst , if you can either bring your things with you , I guess {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Uh yeah , if I can pick up with all these bits and pieces , hang on.Project Manager: And while you're doing that we'll try and figure out how to hook these things on as well , 'cause we're all gonna have to be able to walk around.Industrial Designer: Uh right , so you want an animal and the characteristics of that animal . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Doyou have to be able to recognise what animal it is ? {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}Project Manager: Uh I do not think so ,User Interface: {vocalsound}{vocalsound} Are we all gonna draw a cat ?Project Manager: I think it's just to try out the whiteboard . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Ah {vocalsound} .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Only animal I could thin I could draw {vocalsound} .Marketing: I know .Industrial Designer: Its a sort of bunny rabbit cat .{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: You can tell it's not a bunny rabbit by the ears .Project Manager:Uh-huh .Industrial Designer: Um I suppose it should have a mouth as well , sort of {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Right , yeah .ProjectManager: Great . And the characteristics ?Industrial Designer: Um the favourite characteristics of the cat um {disfmarker} the whiskers I think , um becausethey're the easiest to draw .Project Manager: Uh-huh .Industrial Designer: In fact , I'll give it some more {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Oh , and the tailProject Manager: Fantastic . Since you're handy as well , why don't you do yours next , Steph . I think it's to get us usedto using the pen .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yes . Um sure it's not to test our artistic {disfmarker}Project Manager: Uh no . {vocalsound} A mouse-y?Industrial Designer: It's a mouse .User Interface: That's not a mouse-y , no .Industrial Designer: No it's not a mouse . It's a wombat .Project Manager: Oh .UserInterface: It's a ratty .Project Manager: Argh .Industrial Designer: A what ?Project Manager: Rat .User Interface: A ratty .Project Manager: Not a mouse , a rat.Industrial Designer: A webbed foot . Webbed f {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} It's clothes . That's it's clothes . {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Oh right {vocalsound} .User Interface: It's a ratty with a with a with a very long tail .Project Manager: And your favouritecharacteristics of that animal .User Interface: I love whiskers . Uh they're intelligent and they're cheeky {vocalsound} and uh fantastic petsProject Manager: Oh.User Interface: and very friendly .Project Manager: Okay . Kate ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: And they sit on your shoulderand whisper the answers to your homework in your ear when you're doing your homework .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Thanks .Project Manager:Oh , a fish .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Gosh ,User Interface: A shark ?Industrial Designer: why didn't I think of fish ? That's even easier to draw than cat .{vocalsound}Marketing: Mm {vocalsound} this is very representational fish . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh , okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Fine .Marketing: Um I like them because they're sleekProject Manager: Favourite characteristics ?Marketing: and they have a lot of freedom but theyalso do n uh swim in groups ,Project Manager: 'Kay .Marketing: so .Project Manager: So they have team elements . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: Do you have a favourite one ?Project Manager: I'm afraid I'm with Steph . And I think your pen's running out of whatever . But I'mafraid I take the coward's way out , and the cat's looking the other way . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: He's hiding .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um cats are sometimes very independent . My parents had cats . Uh and they can mm decidefor themselves what is best . Okay . Now um {vocalsound} we have to get down to the nitty-gritty of how to make this and this remote control has to be sold{disfmarker} um we're to sell it for twenty five Euros , with a profit aim ultimately of fifty million Euros . That tells you something about how many um we have tosell on an international scale . Um would be an awful lot of these , would be like what , a hundred million of them um to make twenty five Euros on each one andto make a total profit of fifty million . Um the production is to only cost twelve and a half Euros per item . Now if they cost twelve and a half , you're selling it fortwenty five , you're making twelve and a half Euros each . Um and we're to make a profit of fifty million , that's t uh {disfmarker} can you do the maths and howmany are we selling ?Marketing: {vocalsound} Uh yeah . {vocalsound} I was just wondering if that's the um {disfmarker} If fifty percent is normal{disfmarker}Project Manager: Mark-up ?Marketing: B yeah . Um I would think would be more like sixty percent . But um let me {disfmarker}Project Manager:Okay .Marketing: I have two thoughts . One hundred , fifty percent .Project Manager: {gap}Marketing: And and your question is how many do we have to sell?Project Manager: Yes , 'cause our market um is international and your problem is {disfmarker} has to do with marketing of {disfmarker} you know , you gottaknow how many we're going to be selling to know how big a market you have to target and who is that .Marketing: At twenty five . Mm-hmm . Yeah , that's um{disfmarker}Project Manager: To give you a pretty good idea of where you're looking .Marketing: So that's four million of them ?Project Manager: Something likethat ? Okay .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: That's fifty million Euros . In order to make fifty million Euros , and you're only getting twelve and a half each{disfmarker}Marketing: And if we make {disfmarker} Mm-hmm .Project Manager: That's a lot of selling . Two four {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah . Four million.Project Manager: To be fifty , be four million . You'd have to sell four million .Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: Okay ? Right . Experience with a remote control. Any of you use of remote control for a television or D_V_D_ or something ? You're both nodding ,Industrial Designer: That that that's the sorta product we'retalking about , one that will work for a {disfmarker} in a home environment , for a T_V_s and {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: all three . Well I'veseen some remote controls that are for more than one device at a time , but I also have heard about them not working well or not well co-ordinated and you windup working with this one for thi this three and then this one over here for another .User Interface: It is true that you always sit around {disfmarker} you know ,you're sitting on your sofa and you wanna change something , there's five different remotes , and one for the D_V_D_ and one for the video and one for cable andone for whatever else .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm-hmm . Y yeah .Project Manager: And they don't always talk to each other .UserInterface: But I presume this is t I presume this is just for television .Project Manager: Don't know . Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Are thereany um ideas for the remote ? What would it be for and what group would be be for ? We have to think about that one .Marketing: We could make a HelloKittyIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: themed remote .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: I think one in b bright colours would be good .{vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I think one that works would be good . {vocalsound}Marketing: We could totally go for theJapan-a-mation . Well I mean there's also the cachet that um uh the Japanese make great {vocalsound} products . Electrical {disfmarker} their industrial designis very good .User Interface: I think one that doesn't have lots of superfluous functions . Like I've got one at home that has well , apart from the obvious ,channels , channel up , channel down , volume ,Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: you know , subtitles , mute , there's a lotta buttons that I've got no idea whatthey do , like {vocalsound} .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Well , that's a really good point ,Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: because I think one ofthe things that {disfmarker} being somewhat computer literate , we tend to um go to menus and then make choices , you know , so if it's like an uh volumebutton , you know , you can go in and say mute or or volume . We don't need to have like the l the numbers if we also have uh uh channel up channel down .UserInterface: Mm .Project Manager: Mm . {vocalsound} Okay .Marketing: Mm . We can make it smart like an iPod , you know , make everything menus .UserInterface: Ooh , closing the meeting .Project Manager: Yeah . Um I know this sounds like it was very quick ,User Interface: That was quick .Project Manager: butthe I think that's the industrial design is the first one ,Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: that's Kate , for the working design .Industrial Designer:Mm-hmm .Project Manager: And user , that's you S Steph , for the technical functions design , and for marketing the user requirements specification . I thinkthere's going to be a lot of {disfmarker} we have to help each other and work through this as a group , and I think we all , you know , {vocalsound} we like ourkitty-cat and our rat and our fish , but I think we all have to like each other um to get this done . Uh as it says , we're gonna get individual instructions , but uh Idon't think they allowed a lot of extra time , so I think a little bit of less of this and more at do will set us in good stead . Do you all agree ?Industrial Designer:Mm-hmm .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Alright . Um then I don't see any reason to prolong it and f we should finish this meeting at ni right nowand go into other things . Alright , so this is the end of the first meeting .Marketing: Okay .Industrial Designer: 'Kay .Project Manager: Thank you all ."}
{"doc_id":"doc_125","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Right uh . So um . So where's the PowerPoint presentation ? Sorry ? Microsoft PowerPoint , right . Right , okay . So . Right . Okay , so we've gotuh so we've got new project requirements . Um . So basically we've got three things , and we've got forty minutes in which to uh {disfmarker} for this meeting touh to discuss the various options . Um . Three presentations .Industrial Designer: We have a {disfmarker} I guess we have a presentation each , 'cause I've gotone . Um .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah ,Project Manager: I see , right .Marketing: I've got one too .Project Manager: That's nice to know , one fromeach of you . Um new project requirements . Um so do we want to do the presentation first , or do we want to um {disfmarker} W I I got um {gap} or or threethings basically , um relating to the remote being only for T_V_ . We discussed that last timeIndustrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: and in actual factthat was pr pretty well what we came up with anyway .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So in fact it actually f we won't be forestalled {vocalsound} in asense .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {gap}Project Manager: Um we've got uh teletext outdated . Um did you get anyinformation on that ?Industrial Designer: Uh we didn't , no .User Interface: No .Project Manager: Right and the corporate image was the uh final thing .IndustrialDesigner: I d I didn't personally .Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: So I I got that in email form .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um . Right okay. So I guess if we go ahead with the uh with the three presentations . So we'll start with yourself on the basis that uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Okaythat's fine . I'll just um I'll grab the wire out the back of this one .Project Manager: Sorry , yep .Industrial Designer: {gap}User Interface: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Oh . {vocalsound}User Interface: What is it ?Industrial Designer: I'm not quite sure how it {disfmarker}User Interface: I think you've got to do umcontrol F_ eight .Industrial Designer: Control {gap} {disfmarker} Doesn't seem to be quite working at the moment .User Interface: Shift F_ eight . {vocalsound}{gap}Industrial Designer: Alt function F_ eight . {vocalsound} Again not doing anything .Marketing: {vocalsound} There's usually a little thing in the top right forthe {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Oh .User Interface: Ah there ,Marketing: Oh hang on ,User Interface: it's doing something .Marketing: it's just coming on.Industrial Designer: {gap} pressed about five times now .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay , that's me {gap} .Okay , um I have to go {gap} again .Project Manager: {gap} it going ?Industrial Designer: Hopefully that should be it this time . Okay , I think we're there .That's good . Okay , um {disfmarker} Okay I'm gonna be looking at the working design . Um {vocalsound} of the of the remote control . Um I've just got threesections , first is the research I made on the on the remote control itself um . And then that involves the components required in it and the systems uh design ofthe actual the actual remote . Um so having researched the existing models within the market , um I found my research off the internet . Um I've establishedwhat the components required for the remote control to function , actually are . And then also the methods in which these components interact together for theremote to actually do what you want it to do and how it connects with the television . Um the basic components are an energy source which I guess um in mostexisting models would be a battery supply . Whether that'll be sort of two batteries , four batteries , um it may vary .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer:We then have the user interface , which is basically the like the the buttons on the actual remote . Um the various functions used for changing channel , uhchannel up and down , volume , things like that . Um there's also a chip inside the remote which does all the computer type things . And then the sender , whichum is usually , I've found , an infra-red device which sends a signal to the actual television . Um and the last part is receiver which is important in the system butis not actually part of the remote itself , because that's obviously found in the television . {gap} . Um I'm gonna have to actually draw on the board because uh itwas a little tricky on PowerPoint to get this working , so . I'll just go through there . S um um do we have a cloth to wipe this down with , or ? Oh I'll jProjectManager: Uh there's the rubber on the right , I think .User Interface: I think it's that little {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Oh I see . Oh okay . I'll get rid of thebear.$Project Manager: {gap} it's magic . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay that's great . Okay , so we start off with a um batterysuppl Uh no , a power supply which we'd probably get {disfmarker} it's probably gonna be the battery . Um we then have a particular button , which may be{disfmarker} {gap} that's obviously there's lots and lots of different buttons . Um but this is how the basic system works . Um that sends {gap} after you pressthat that sends the message to the chip , which um then sends {disfmarker} It sort of interprets which button you've pressed and then sends the appropriatemessage to the sender . {vocalsound} Um . So that's {gap} . That's the remote in itself , that's the components of the remote and how they work together . Sothis is the uh user interface . Um this is the chip itself , which then {gap} , and that's the that's the infra-red sender . And then on the separate thing we have onthe on the television we have a a receiver . And the sender sends a message to the receiver . 'Kay .Project Manager: So the the top bit's the power source , yes ?{gap} .Industrial Designer: Ah yes , that's the power source . Um . {gap} going on to personal preferences , I've said that battery seems the best option for theactual remote , just because of the size . You don't want a a cable attached to the remote otherwise it's not it's not really a remote . Um and then the sender,Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and infra-red um has been used quite successfully . If the battery's on reasonable power , they always seem towork fairly well . You don't have to be point directly at the television itself .Project Manager: So the battery is the {disfmarker} in the sender .Industrial Designer:Um {disfmarker} Yes . 'Kay and that's it for the moment .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Okay . So , now more design . {vocalsound}User Interface: Right .Thank you . Mine's not quite as complicated as all that .Project Manager: {vocalsound} That's what we like to hear . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Did I press function ? Yeah .Project Manager: Is it control function ei Oh , th there you go .User Interface: Oh . Um . Okay so I'm gonna talk a bit about thetechnical functions design . I'm Louisa , the User Interface Designer , as you know . {vocalsound} Um so the m basic method of this is to send a signal from theremote to the television set , so that a desired function is performed . Um an example of the function could be to change the volume up or down , uh so obviouslyyou need two different buttons for that . Um to change the channel , either by pressing the number that you want or by channel up or down . Um to switch thetelevision on or off , maybe a standby button . Um here are two example remotes . Um by the look of it they both have um kind of play and fast forward , rewindfunctions , so I think they incorporate a kind of video function which we won't have to worry about . Uh but as you can see , the left remote is quite um quite busylooking , quite complicated . Um whereas the right remote is much simpler , it looks much more user friendly . Um so my personal preference would be the rightremote . So , {vocalsound} it's got nice big buttons , it's got a very limited number of buttons . Um they're nice , kinda clearly labelled . Um I like the use of thekind of um symbols like the triangles and the squares and the arrows as well as the words on the um kind of play functions and all that . So it's very very userfriendly , and it's got a little splash of colour . Could maybe do with some more colour . Um .Project Manager: Well there's a couple of things there . Um we haveto remember that we have our own um logo and colour scheme . So basically we'd have to uh we'd have to be putting that on um the the product .User Interface:Hmm . Do we get to see that ?Project Manager: {vocalsound} I haven't as yet , no .User Interface: Will you be presenting that in a bit ? {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} But uh I got uh I got an email that basically said to uh make sure that uh whatever device we come up with at the end of the day had toincorporate um the corporate colour and slogan . So uh I'm guessing that uh uh I notice on the bottom there it's got uh what's that ? A_P_O_G_E_E_ that mightbe the corporate colour scheme , although the only the only colour I can see in that is the red .Industrial Designer: {gap}User Interface: Hmm .IndustrialDesigner: Would you be able to get rid of the the extra buttons here , the the sort of circular section , because that seems to be for a video as well . So we coulddispense with that little bit as well and just get it down to just the numbers and the volume . Possibly ?User Interface: What do you mean by the circular section?Industrial Designer: J yeah yeah yeah j yeahUser Interface: Like all of that bottom bit ?Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: just this little bit isthat {disfmarker} I think that's still um a video remote part ,User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: so maybe we could get rid of that as well .User Interface:Yeah . And I don't really think that you need nine numbers .Project Manager: Well b uh wUser Interface: I mean how often do you use seven , eight and nine ? Ithink just one to six and then channel up and down should be enough .Project Manager: Well th the on the {disfmarker} {vocalsound}User Interface: Like howoften do you hit nine ?Project Manager: Well uh for for general television purposes obviously you have channels one to five at this point in time ,Marketing:Mm-hmm .Project Manager: and we'd have to have some room for uh future such channels . But but {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: It's just people are used toseeing that , so if we didn't have them then they might think it's {disfmarker} {gap}Project Manager: But , well possibly but the the other thing is that with umthe current expansion of uh channels uh in the process of taking place , certainly the button up and down , but uh I mean {vocalsound} how many channels dowe have to um {disfmarker} actual television channels do we have to uh prepare for ? I would have thought that uh {gap} it's forever expanding and at themoment we've got {disfmarker} although you've onl you've got the five standard , you've got the B_B_C_ have come up with a further sixIndustrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: and uh there's uh I don't know exactly how many channels there are on uh when you take into account uh Sky and various otherum various others .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: So I would've thought that we wouldn't , you know , rather{disfmarker}User Interface: Hmm .Project Manager: Okay , if the time of flicking from one to other , but presumably it'll take a secondUser Interface:"}
{"doc_id":"doc_126","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound} Je croix que c'est dommage de le {disfmarker} it will be sad to destroy this prototype . It really looks like a banana .UserInterface: {vocalsound} It is a banana .Project Manager: It is a banana . {vocalsound}User Interface: It is the essence of bananas . I would be confused with thisthing .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Mm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:SProject Manager: Okay .Marketing: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}User Interface: How is everyone ?Project Manager: Hi .Industrial Designer: Hi .Project Manager: Sowe are here for the detailed design meeting .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} So {vocalsound}User Interface: Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: we will uh {disfmarker} I will first present what we are going to do in this meeting . Then uh I've {disfmarker} I will also take notes during this meetingand I will send you uh a summary then as usual . We will then look at the evaluation criteria of the prototype presented by uh our two colleagues that make goodwork .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} And uh then we will see the financial aspects and the cost of theproduct . Then we will uh evaluate the product . And uh end with the conclusion of this project and see whether it fits with {disfmarker} it fulf if it fulfil therequirement or not . SoIndustrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: d let's start with the cost aspect so so I look at the aspect discussed last time , that is tosay uh to have a standard battery , {vocalsound} to have a yellow banana shaped uh case with uh a rubber material around itIndustrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: to be uh to feel spongy ,User Interface: Like a banana .Project Manager: {vocalsound} and uh also at the different aspect likehaving a wheel etcetera .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: And the cost ended to be ten point seven Euros . So which isuh good , because we had a price gap of twelve point five Euros .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So for the financial aspect it's okay , we can uh{disfmarker} we can continue with this product uh as if ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} and we are now going to see the projectevaluation with uh our marketing expert .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah . Okay . So uh you can have my project in {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah . Youhave a presentation ?Marketing: Uh yeah just a {disfmarker}Project Manager: Participant four , yes .Marketing: {vocalsound} Four . Evaluation .Project Manager:Okay . Okay .Marketing: Okay . So you can go . We can go through .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: So I made an evaluation and the the evaluation criteria ismade according to {vocalsound} the users' requirements and the market trends we talked about uh during the previous uh meetings . So you can go through and{disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: okay so uh we have uh six points . We we talked about before .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: So we wewant to have a product fancy look and feel , technologically innovative , easy to use , fashion , {vocalsound} easy to find in a room , and robust ,Project Manager:Yeah .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: uh and uh uh I have a scale of uh seven points .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Okay . So I go through allthe uh all the points here ,Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: and uh according to what you think about the this project you can uh mm make a one point , twopoint or seven point . Okay ?Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: And after we ha we have an an average , and uh we see .Project Manager: Okay .IndustrialDesigner: Mm-hmm .Marketing: The {disfmarker} okay ? {vocalsound} Uh so uh fancy look and feel , what do you think ?Project Manager: Okay . Maybe you canpresen {vocalsound}Marketing: F between o one and seven .Project Manager: okay . Maybe {disfmarker} {vocalsound} hold it .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} So I think it's uh very uh very nice . What do you think ?User Interface: I give it a {disfmarker} I give it a five .Project Manager: Yeah .So it's between one and seven ? Seven is the highest uh ?Marketing: Yeah . {vocalsound} Seven is the {disfmarker}Project Manager: I will give a six .IndustrialDesigner: I will give a a five .Marketing: {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound} And you ?Marketing: {gap} sorry .User Interface: Do you vote uhChristine ?Marketing: {gap} eh ?User Interface: Do you also vote ?Marketing: {vocalsound} No , I just want to see something {disfmarker}Project Manager:Maybe we all have to agree on a common {disfmarker}User Interface: Well , we can {gap} very easily {vocalsound} .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing:Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Uh I think uh {gap} {vocalsound} and need to {gap} as well{vocalsound} .Project Manager: No problem . SoUser Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Need to {disfmarker}Project Manager: this is your{disfmarker}Marketing: uh I don't know if you {disfmarker} we ha we have to put uh one uh f If it's better or {disfmarker}Project Manager: One is most {gap}.User Interface: I {disfmarker}Marketing: Uh-uh .Project Manager: Well , we can choose what we want .Marketing: Um . Yeah .Project Manager: Okay , let's saythat seven is the best .Marketing: Or maybe we can say s seven is the best mm {vocalsound} .Project Manager: Okay . So so do note the grade we have five , sixfor me ,Industrial Designer: Five .Project Manager: five . And what what's your choice ?Marketing: Oh sorry . {vocalsound}Project Manager: How much wouldyou give on the fancy aspect , on the fashionable aspect ?Marketing: Six {disfmarker} Uh s you can {disfmarker} how much what ?Project Manager: How muchwould you {disfmarker} you don't answer to this uh questionnaire ?Marketing: Oh yes I mm I dunno mm , I think six , it's a good uh {disfmarker}User Interface:So it will have five point five average .Project Manager: Five point five average .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Mm .Marketing: Wa can{gap} . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Well , does it {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} I sorry .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay . So after , the technological aspect ?Project Manager: Okay , techne technological aspect .Marketing: So we we said uhwe have uh a new technological uh thing with a wheel .Project Manager: Yeah , we have the wheel . We also have the rubber material ,Marketing: Uh .ProjectManager: which make it uh like new also . I think I would give a five .User Interface: It's {gap} four .Project Manager: Four ?Industrial Designer: A four also ,because , except for the wheel , we don't have so much innovation .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: The rubber is {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay.Industrial Designer: Uh a four . I I {disfmarker}User Interface: D are we including the voice {disfmarker} are you glu are we including the voice in the end ornot ? Huh ?Project Manager: No .User Interface: No . Okay .Project Manager: SoMarketing: No .Project Manager: what's your uh grade ?Marketing: Four .ProjectManager: Four ? So we have four , four f and five ?Marketing: We can put four ?User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah , four . Four , yeah , let's put four.User Interface: For twenty five .Marketing: Everyone is okay or {disfmarker} four poin Four .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Doesn't it{disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: Very easy to use . Do you think it's easy to use ?Project Manager: Yeah , I think so . Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .UserInterface: I give a seven , I think .Industrial Designer: Six .Project Manager: I would give a {disfmarker} I would give a seven as well . It's very easy to use.Industrial Designer: Six .Marketing: Mm , six for me also .Project Manager: SoUser Interface: 'Kay .Marketing: Six point five . {vocalsound}Project Manager: sixpoint five .Industrial Designer: Six six six point five .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Okay . {vocalsound} Is it fashion ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: Ohyeah ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: its its f its fruit fruit shape .Marketing: Seven ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: I would say seven . And isvery very nice design .Marketing: Yeah it's fashion , because it's a fruit ,User Interface: Yeah , we can we can put a seven here .Marketing: and we say that the{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah , seven .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: yeah , seven .Project Manager: Yeah . Seven , okay .User Interface: Yeah . Well, we hope .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Easy to find .Marketing: {vocalsound} Uh easy to find in a room ? {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I lost my banana . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: I think you can'tmiss it .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Yeah ?Industrial Designer: Uh .User Interface: Yeah , I think it's cool . I think wecan put a six here .Marketing: We have the lightning , or {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah , we have {vocalsound} the {vocalsound}Marketing: The lighting.Project Manager: we don't sesh especially have the lightningUser Interface: {vocalsound} So you'll make the material transparentProject Manager: but{disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: so that it uh lights up completely , or {disfmarker}Project Manager: So it's yellow . It's okay .Marketing:{vocalsound} Yeah . {gap}Project Manager: I think it's very easy to {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Marketing: Seven ?Project Manager: I would say seven . It's hardto miss it .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Six . Yeah , okay .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Is it {disfmarker} is it robust ?Project Manager: Yeah , it'srubber , made of rubber ,Industrial Designer: Uh f yeah , it's ru it's rubber .Project Manager: I think it's m it's uh more rubber than uh other remote control.Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah the only problem there might be {disfmarker} which {gap} know , i if it's very sensitive ,ProjectManager: Yeah .User Interface: they will ,Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: I don't know {disfmarker}Project Manager: But it is uh {disfmarker} it issurrounded by rubber material .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah , okay .Project Manager: So maybe we can put a six .Industrial Designer: Yeah.User Interface: Mm .Marketing: {vocalsound} Everybody is okay , six .Industrial Designer: Six or five . Five {vocalsound}Project Manager: Six is okay ?UserInterface: Six , yeah , for me .Industrial Designer: Six .Marketing: Yeah . {vocalsound} Okay .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: S now{vocalsound} um so .Project Manager: Tadada . We have to sum up everything .User Interface: Twenty .Marketing: Thirteen uh , twenty , twenty six point five ,uh seven , thirty two , thirty six {gap} .User Interface: Thirty . ThirMarketing: That's that's okay ? Six .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Six is a good{disfmarker}User Interface: Okay .Marketing: Good . Uh if we say that seven it's uh it's the better ,Project Manager: Yeah , the be .Industrial Designer:"}
{"doc_id":"doc_127","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Good morning , again .Industrial Designer: One question .User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Send .UserInterface: Choose a number ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Submit . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yep yep yep yep .Project Manager: All set?Industrial Designer: Mm . Yeah .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Good . Okay . Let's see what we can find here . Okay . A very warm welcome again toeveryone .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um here we are already at our uh functional design meeting . Um and this is what we are going to do .The opening , which we are doing now , um and the special note , I'm project manager but on the meetings I'm also the secretary , which means I will make uhminutes as I did of the previous meeting .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: And uh I also put these as fast as possible in the uh project folder ,so you can see them and review what we have discussed . Um if I'm right , there are three presentations , I guess each one of you has prepared one ? Good .UserInterface: Yes .Project Manager: And um we will also take a look at new project requirements , um if you haven't heard about them yet . And then of course wehave to take a decision on the remote control functions and we have some more time , forty minutes . But I think we will need it . Um well I don't know whowants to go first with his presentation .Industrial Designer: I'll go first . Okay . I'll go first yeah .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: You can go first , okay .UserInterface: Well .Marketing: Well , shall I go first with the users ?User Interface: Well {vocalsound}Marketing: I think {disfmarker} well okay no problem .{vocalsound}Project Manager: Is there an order ? I haven't {disfmarker}User Interface: everybody already has his presentation ,Marketing: Ja precies , japrecies , ja preciesUser Interface: {vocalsound} so you can adjust it . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So . Huh ? Okay , um {disfmarker}Project Manager: Andone question , uh your name Denni , is it with aMarketing: E_I_E_ .Project Manager: I_E_ {disfmarker} E_I_E_ , okay . Thank you .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay , um I wanted to explain the working design of the remote control . It's possibly very handy if you want to uh design oneof those . Um {vocalsound} well so it basically works uh as I uh uh r wrote down uh in this uh little uh summary . Uh when you press a button , {vocalsound} uhthat's when you do pr for example when you uh want to turn up the volume , um a little connection is made uh the the rubber uh {vocalsound} button justpresses on aProject Manager: Sorry . {vocalsound}Marketing: {gap}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: on a little print plate uh which uh makesuh uh {vocalsound} a connection that uh gives the chips , uh which is uh mounted beneath those uh that plastic of a rubber button . Uh senses that a connectionhas been made , and know and knows what button you pressed , becau uh for example the the volume up or volume down button . Um uh the the chip uh makesa Morse code uh like uh signal which uh then is si uh signalled {vocalsound} to uh several transistors which makes uh which sends the signal to a little let . Youknow what a let is ?User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Okay . {vocalsound} And that makes uh the the infra-red lights signal which is sent to thetelevision set . Uh which has a sensor in it to uh sense uh the signal of the infra-red . That's basically uh how it works . Um the findings uh uh that I found uhsearching up some uh detailed information about the remote controls , are that uh they are very easy to produce , uh it is pis uh it's possible to uh make them inmass production because it is as eas it is as easy as uh printing a page , uh just uh fibreglass plate um is b uh is uh covered with uh some uh coatings and uh uh{vocalsound} and chips .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh and the technology's already available , we don't have to find out how remotecontrols uh have to work or uh how that how uh to make some chips that are possible to uh to to transmit those uh signals . Uh I made a little uh uh animation of{vocalsound} about how a tran our uh remote controller works .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {gap}User Interface: Oh right .Marketing: {vocalsound}Animation . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} we telUser Interface: There is something turning .Industrial Designer:There .Project Manager: Yeah , it's a little bug it's in the in the smart board . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay . Uh wellUser Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: the sub-component , I suppose that you understand what a sub-component is , is f in this example it's the button . Uh when itis pressed down , um , the switch is ter is uh is switched on , so with uh the wire is sent to the to the chip in uh co-operation with the battery of course , becauseto make uh a a signal possible you have to have some sort of uh li uh a d ad uh electronic uh {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Infrared light.Industrial Designer: Yes , uh , okay . Um w after it's being composed by the chip uh the signal uh is transported uh to the infra-red bulb , and from there itsignals a Morse code-like signal to the to the b to the bulb in uh in the television set . Okay . S Uh I wrote down some personal preferences about uh the remotecontrol . Of course it is very handy if the remote control is hand held , so you don't have to uh uh wind it up or something , or just is it's it's very light to uh tomake uh to use it . Uh I personally uh pref prefer that uh it would be p uh come available in the various colours , and uh easy to use buttons . But I suppose thatthe one of the other team members uh uh thought of that uh too . {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah , I've got it there too . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: And it is possible for several designs and um easy to use b uh sorry , easy to use buttons . Perhaps soft touch , uh touch screen uh buttons because uhthe rubber buttons are always uh uh they uh slightly uh they can be slightly damaged ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: uh so the numbers on thebuttons are not possible uh to read anymore . And uh well as I said uh before th uh we can uh make several designs . {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah.Industrial Designer: Okay , well , that's my contribution to this meeting , and uhMarketing: To this meeting . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay , thank you.User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: two of these this meeting . So .User Interface: Shall I go uh next ?Project Manager: Yep .User Interface: 'Kay.Project Manager: Please .User Interface: So .Marketing: {vocalsound} Smoking .User Interface: Well uh , my name's {gap} , and I looked at uh technicalfunctions design of the remote . Uh I did this by uh looking at examples of other remote controls , of how they uh they look , and information from the web that Ifound . Um well what I found was that uh th the actual use of the remote control is to send messages to television set , how you uh d what you described uh justearly . And this can be all sorts of medsa messages , turn it on , turn it off , uh change the channel , adjust volume , that kind of thing . Uh play video , teletext ,but also t uh play C_D_ if you use it your C_D_ player the remote control will that one . There are some uh examples of remote controls . You can see they arevery different . The one has got all the functions that you could possibly need and an lot of uh buttons etcetera . And the other is uh more user friendly , little withbig buttons . And uh not n all the the the the stuff you can do with it , but uh the the essential stuff is there . Um {vocalsound} I guess you could better y youshould look at a a user centred uh approach , because the customers have to use them and and if they don't think it's usable they won't uh buy it . A lot ofbuttons they may think from I don't need s as much as that . Uh , well perf personal preferences is is uh a simple remote , with uh the basic functions that youcan need that you could use . But uh keep in mind the new functions of T_V_ what we discussed earlier , split screen and uh is that a function that you shouldhave ? Because all the T_V_s will have them . Or because of only a few and isn't really necessary . And then uh make it {disfmarker} I would make so that youcan could uh use it on more than one appliance . If you have one that uh uh does with the vi the the video , it could also work with uh with the stereo , becauseplay is play and stop stop and that sort of thing . The shu c you could reuse the buttons so that you don't have to have a lot of buttons for uh anything . And itshould be a user friendly , clear buttons , and not too much . And that is my presentation .Project Manager: Okay , thank you .Industrial Designer: Okay .{vocalsound}Marketing: 'Kay . Check . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: You must still have it open .Marketing: Kijke {gap} 'Kay ,so . {vocalsound} We're going to j discuss the functional requirements of the remote , that m that means that functions user n want to have on the remotecontrol , or just {disfmarker} Yeah , and the users , actually .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: The methods I I prefer is we're going to look whichsection of the users we are going to focus a l on more . Are the younger people going to buy the remote control or the elderly people ? And then {disfmarker} thothat section we're going to focus and adjust the remote more to that section than the whole user section . Okay . Some data . Younger people , from sixteen tothir forty five um years are more interested in fj features like L_C_D_ screens , speech recognition e etcetera . And we possess about two third of the market fromin that range of age . The elderly people , from forty five years to sixty five years are not that much interested in features , and we possess less than two third ,that's two fifth , of the market share in that area . {gap} Goed so .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Hmm .Marketing: 'Kay . Findings . Fiftypercent of the users lose their remote often .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: So we don't have to make it verysmall , like uh like a mobile phone or something , but some somewhat bi bigger than small , so you don't lose it that much anymore . {vocalsound} Seventy fivepercent of the users also find it ugly ,Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: and fif seventy five of the users zap a lot , so the buttons sh should be that small , orshouldn't be that complex because we have to search for the buttons , which one are you going to use . Next . Important issues about the remote . I think itwould be better with a personal reference , but okay . Remote control has to have to have a low power usage , because s w seventy five percent of the users onlyzap one time an hour , so the power usage is also one one time an hour , or so , with a high power usage we would use a lot of but batteries . The volume buttonand the channel buttons are the two most important buttons on the remote control , so those {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} those have to h be find very easily. And have to be somewhat like bigger etcetera . It has also be {disfmarker} have to find easily when the label is gone . My colleague also announced it that"}
{"doc_id":"doc_128","qid":"","text":"Grad E: OK , we 're on .Professor B: OK .Grad E: So , I mean , everyone who 's on the wireless check that they 're on .PhD F: C we {disfmarker}Grad G: Alright.Postdoc C: I see . Yeah .PhD F: Yeah .Grad E: OK , our agenda was quite short .Professor B: Oh , could you {pause} close the door , maybe ? Yeah .Grad E: Sure. Two items , which was , uh , digits and possibly stuff on {disfmarker} on , uh , forced alignment , which Jane said that Liz and Andreas had in information on,Professor B: Grad E: but they didn't ,PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor B: I guess the only other thing , uh , for which I {disfmarker}Grad E: so .PhD F: We should dothat second , because Liz might join us in time for that .Grad E: OK .Professor B: Um . OK , so there 's digits , alignments , and , um , I guess the other thing ,{vocalsound} which I came unprepared for , uh , {vocalsound} is , uh , to dis s s see if there 's anything anybody wants to discuss about the Saturday meeting.Grad E: Right .Professor B: So . Any {disfmarker} I mean , maybe not .Grad E: Digits and alignments . But {disfmarker}Professor B: Uh .PhD F: Talk aboutaligning people 's schedules .Professor B: Yeah .Grad E: Yeah .Postdoc C: Mm - hmm .Professor B: Yeah . I mean {disfmarker} Right . Yeah , I mean , it was{disfmarker}Grad E: Yeah , it 's forced alignment of people 's schedules .PhD F: Yeah .PhD D: Forced align .PhD F: If we 're very {disfmarker}Professor B: Yeah.PhD F: Yeah .Professor B: With {disfmarker} with {disfmarker} whatever it was , a month and a half or something ahead of time , the only time we could find incommon {disfmarker} roughly in common , was on a Saturday .PhD D: Yeah .Professor B: Ugh .Grad E: Yep .PhD F: It 's pretty sad .Professor B: Yeah .PhD F:Yeah .Postdoc C: Have {disfmarker} Have we thought about having a conference call to include him in more of {disfmarker} {vocalsound} in more of themeeting ? I {disfmarker} I mean , I don't know , if we had the {disfmarker} if we had the telephone on the table {disfmarker}Professor B: No . But , h I mean ,he probably has to go do something .PhD F: No , actually I {disfmarker} I have to {disfmarker} I have to shuttle {pause} kids from various places to variousother places .Professor B: Right ?Postdoc C: I see . OK .Professor B: Yeah .PhD F: So . And I don't have {disfmarker} and I don't , um , have a cell phonePhD D:A cell phone ?PhD F: so I can't be having a conference call while driving .Professor B: R r right .Postdoc C: No . {comment} It 's not good .Professor B: So wehave to {disfmarker} we {disfmarker}Postdoc C: That 's not good .PhD F: Plus , it would make for interesting noise {disfmarker} background noise .Professor B:Grad E: Yep .PhD F: Uh {disfmarker}Professor B: So we have to equip him with a {disfmarker} with a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} with a head - mounted , uh ,cell phoneGrad E: Ye - we and we 'd have to force you to read lots and lots of digits ,Professor B: and {disfmarker}Grad E: so it could get real {disfmarker}{vocalsound} real car noise .PhD F: Oh , yeah .PhD D: Yeah .PhD F: Oh , yeah .Grad G: Take advantage .PhD D: And with the kids in the background .PhD F: I 'lllet {disfmarker} I 'd let {disfmarker}PhD D: Yeah .PhD F: I let , uh , my five - year - old have a try at the digits , eh .Professor B: Yeah .Grad E: So , anyway , Ican talk about digits . Um , did everyone get the results or shall I go over them again ? I mean that it was basically {disfmarker} the only thing that was evenslightly surprising was that the lapel did so well . Um , and in retrospect that 's not as surprising as maybe i it shouldn't have been as surprising as I {disfmarker}as {disfmarker} as I felt it was . The lapel mike is a very high - quality microphone . And as Morgan pointed out , that there are actually some advantages to it interms of breath noises and clothes rustling {pause} if no one else is talking .PhD D: Yeah .PhD F: Exactly .Grad E: Um , so , uh {disfmarker}Grad G: Mm - hmm.Professor B: Well , it 's {disfmarker} Yeah , sort of the bre the breath noises and the mouth clicks and so forth like that , the lapel 's gonna be better on .Grad G:It 's g it {disfmarker}PhD D: Or the cross - talk . Yeah .Professor B: The lapel is typically worse on the {disfmarker} on clothes rustling , but if no one 's rustlingtheir clothes ,Grad E: Right . I mean , a lot of people are just sort of leaning over and reading the digits ,Professor B: it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker}Grad E:so it 's {disfmarker} it 's a very different task than sort of the natural .PhD D: Yeah . You don't move much during reading digits , I think .Professor B: Yeah .GradE: So .Professor B: Yeah .Grad E: Right .Grad G: Probably the fact that it picks up other people 's speakers {disfmarker} other people 's talking is an indication ofthat it {disfmarker} the fact it is a good microphone .PhD D: Yeah .Professor B: Right . So in the digits , in most {disfmarker} most cases , there weren't otherpeople talking .Grad E: Right . Right .Grad G: So .Professor B: So .PhD F: D do the lapel mikes have any directionality to them ?Professor B: There typically don't, no .PhD F: Because I {disfmarker} I suppose you could make some that have sort of {disfmarker} that you have to orient towards your mouth ,Grad E: Theyhave a little bit ,PhD F: and then it would {disfmarker}Grad E: but they 're not noise - cancelling . So , uh {disfmarker}Professor B: They 're {disfmarker} they're intended to be omni - directional .Grad E: Right .Professor B: And th it 's {disfmarker} and because you don't know how people are gonna put them on , youknow .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Grad E: Right . So , also , Andreas , on that one the {disfmarker} the back part of it should be right against your head . And that will hekeep it from flopping aro up and down as much .PhD F: It is against my head .Grad E: OK .Professor B: Yeah . Um . Yeah , we actually talked about this in the ,uh , front - end meeting this morning , too . Much the same thing ,Grad E: Uh - huh .Professor B: and {disfmarker} and it was {disfmarker} uh , I mean , therethe point of interest to the group was primarily that , um , {vocalsound} the , uh {disfmarker} the system that we had that was based on H T K , that 's used by ,you know , {pause} all the participants in Aurora , {vocalsound} was so much worse {vocalsound} than the {disfmarker} than the S RGrad E: Everybody.Professor B: And the interesting thing is that even though , {vocalsound} yes , it 's a digits task and that 's a relatively small number of words and there 's abunch of digits that you train on , {vocalsound} it 's just not as good as having a {disfmarker} a l very large amount of data and training up a {disfmarker} a{disfmarker} a nice good big {vocalsound} HMM . Um , also you had the adaptation in the SRI system , which we didn't have in this . Um . So . Um .PhD F: Andwe know {disfmarker} Di - did I send you some results without adaptation ?Grad E: No .Professor B: I s I think Stephane , uh , had seen them .Grad E: Or if youdid , I didn't include them , cuz it was {disfmarker}Professor B: So {disfmarker}PhD F: Yeah , I think I did , actually . So there was a significant loss from notdoing the adaptation .Professor B: Yeah .PhD F: Um . A {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a couple percent or some I mean {disfmarker} Well , I don't know it{disfmarker} Overall {disfmarker} Uh , I {disfmarker} I don't remember , but there was {disfmarker} {nonvocalsound} there was a significant , um , loss or win{comment} from adaptation {disfmarker} with {disfmarker} with adaptation . And , um , that was the phone - loop adaptation . And then there was a very small{disfmarker} like point one percent on the natives {disfmarker} uh , win from doing , um , you know , adaptation to {pause} the recognition hypotheses . And{pause} I tried both means adaptation and means and variances , and the variances added another {disfmarker} or subtracted another point one percent . So ,{vocalsound} it 's , um {disfmarker} that 's the number there . Point six , I believe , is what you get with both , uh , means and variance adaptation .Grad E:Right .Professor B: But I think one thing is that , uh , I would presume {disfmarker} Hav - Have you ever t {vocalsound} Have you ever tried this exact samerecognizer out on the actual TI - digits test set ?PhD F: This exact same recognizer ? No .Professor B: It might be interesting to do that . Cuz my {disfmarker} my{disfmarker} cuz my sense , um {disfmarker}PhD F: But {disfmarker} but , I have {disfmarker} I mean , people {disfmarker} people at SRI are actuallyworking on digits .Grad E: I bet it would do even slightly better .PhD F: I could {disfmarker} and they are using a system that 's , um {disfmarker} you know , his actually trained on digits , um , but h h otherwise uses the same , you know , decoder , the same , uh , training methods , and so forth ,Professor B: Mm - hmm.PhD F: and I could ask them what they get {pause} on TI - digits .Professor B: Yeah , bu although I 'd be {disfmarker} I think it 'd be interesting to just take thisexact actual system so that these numbers were comparablePhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor B: and try it out on TI - digits .PhD F: Well , Adam knows how to run it,Professor B: Yeah .Grad E: Yeah . No problem .PhD F: so you just make a fProfessor B: Yeah . Yeah . Cuz our sense from the other {disfmarker} from the Aurora, uh , task is that {disfmarker}Grad E: And try it with TI - digits ?PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor B: I mean , cuz we were getting sub one percent {vocalsound}numbers on TI - digits also with the tandem thing .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor B: So , {vocalsound} one {disfmarker} so there were a number of things wenoted from this .PhD F: Mmm .Professor B: One is , yeah , the SRI system is a lot better than the HTK {disfmarker}PhD F: Hmm .Professor B: this , you know ,very limited training HTK system .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor B: Uh , but the other is that , um , the digits {vocalsound} recorded here in this room with theseclose mikes , i uh , are actually a lot harder than the {pause} studio - recording TI - digits . I think , you know , one reason for that , uh , might be that there 'sstill {disfmarker} even though it 's close - talking , there still is some noise and some room acoustics .PhD F: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .Professor B: And anothermight be that , uh , I 'd {disfmarker} I would presume that in the studio , uh , uh , situation recording read speech that if somebody did something a little funnyor n pronounced something a little funny or made a little {disfmarker} that they didn't include it ,Grad E: They didn't include it .Professor B: they made them do itagain .Grad E: Whereas , I took out {pause} the ones that I noticed that were blatant {disfmarker} that were correctable .Professor B: Mmm . Yeah .Grad E: Sothat , if someone just read the wrong digit , I corrected it .Professor B: Yeah .Grad E: And then there was another one where Jose couldn't tell whether{disfmarker} I couldn't tell whether he was saying zero or six . And I asked him and he couldn't tell either .Grad I: Hmm .Grad E: So I just cut it out .Professor B:Yeah .Grad E: You know , so I just e edited out the first , i uh , word of the utterance . Um , so there 's a little bit of correction but it 's definitely not as clean as TI- digits . So my expectations is TI - digits would , especially {disfmarker} I think TI - digits is all {pause} American English .Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad E:Right ? So it would probably do even a little better still on the SRI system , but we could give it a try .PhD F: Well . But {pause} remember , we 're using a"}
{"doc_id":"doc_129","qid":"","text":"Grad C: Now can you give me the uh {pause} remote T ?Professor D: OK , so Eva , co uh {disfmarker} could you read your numbers ?Grad A: Go ahead and read. OK .Professor D: Yeah .Grad C: Alright .Professor D: Yeah , let 's get started . Um {disfmarker} Hopefully Nancy will come , if not , she won't .Grad B: Uh ,Robert , do you uh have any way to turn off your uh screensaver on there so that it 's not going off every {disfmarker} uh , it seems to have about at two minute{disfmarker}Grad C: Yeah , I 've {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} it 's not that I didn't try .Grad B: OK .Grad C: and um I {disfmarker} I told it tostay on forever and ever , but if it 's not plugged in it just doesn't obey my commands .Grad B: OK .Grad C: It has a mind .Grad B: Got it .Grad C: But I I just{disfmarker} You know , sort of keep on wiggling .Undergrad E: Wants to conserve .Grad B: Yeah , OK .Grad C: But uh {disfmarker} we 'll just be m m workingon it at intensity so it doesn't happen . We 'll see . Should we plunge right into it ?Professor D: Yeah .Grad C: So , would you like to {disfmarker}Professor D: Ithink so .Grad C: So what I 've tried to do here is list all the decision nodes that we have identified on this {pause} side . Commented and {disfmarker} whatthey 're about and sort of {disfmarker} the properties we may um give them . And here are the uh {disfmarker} tasks to be implemented via our data collection .So all of these tasks {disfmarker} The reading is out of these tasks more or less imply that the user wants to go there , sometime or the other . And analogouslyfor example , here we have our EVA um {disfmarker} intention . And these are the data tasks where w we can assume the person would like to enter , view orjust approach the thing . Analogously the same on the object information we can see that , you know , we have sort of created these tasks before we came upwith our decision nodes so there 's a lot of things where we have no analogous tasks , and {pause} that may or may not be a problem . We can change the tasksslightly if we feel that we should have data for e sort of for every decision node so {disfmarker} trying to im um {disfmarker} implant the intention of going to aplace now , going to a place later on the same tour , or trying to plant the intention of going sometime on the next tour , or the next day or whenever .ProfessorD: Right , right .Grad C: But I think that might be overdoing it a little .Professor D: So {disfmarker} Yeah . So let me pop up a level . And uh s s make sure thatwe 're all oriented the same . So What we 're gonna do today is two related things . Uh one of them is to work on the semantics of the belief - net which is goingto be the main inference engine for thi the system uh making decisions . And decisions are going to turn out to be parameter choices for calls on other modules .so f the natural language understanding thing is uh , we think gonna only have to choose parameters , but You know , a fairly large set of parameters . So to dothat , we need to do two things . One of which is figure out what all the choices are , which we 've done a fair amount . Then we need to figure out whatinfluences its choices and finally we have to do some technical work on the actual belief relations and presumably estimates of the probabilities and stuff . But wearen't gonna do the probability stuff today . Technical stuff we 'll do {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} another day . Probably next week . But we are gonna worryabout all the decisions and the things that pert that contribute to them . And we 're also , sort of uh in the same process , going to work with Fey on what thereshould be in the dialogues . So One of the s steps that 's coming up real soon is to actually get subjects uh {disfmarker} in here , and have them actually recordlike this . Uh record dialogues more or less . And {disfmarker} depending on what Fey sort of provokes them to say , we 'll get information on different things.Grad C: Well how people phrase different intentions more or less ,Professor D: So {disfmarker} Fo - v yeah people with the {disfmarker} phrase themGrad C:huh ?Professor D: and so {disfmarker} Uh for , you know , Keith and people worrying about what constructions people use , uh {disfmarker} we have some i wehave some ways to affect that by the way the dialogues go . So what Robert kindly did , is to lay out a table of the kinds of uh {pause} things that {disfmarker}that might come up , and , the kinds of decisions . So the uh {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} on the left are decision nodes , and discreet values . So if{disfmarker} if we 're right , you can get by with um just this middle column worth of decisions , and it 's not all that many , and it 's perfectly feasible technicallyto build belief - nets that will do that . And he has a handout .Grad C: Yeah . Maybe it was too fast plunging in there , because j we have two updates .ProfessorD: Yeah .Grad C: Um you can look at this if you want , these are what our subject 's going to have to fill out . Any comments I can {disfmarker} can still be madeand the changes will be put in correspondingly .Undergrad E: m {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yes .GradC: Let me summarize in two sentences , mainly for Eva 's benefit , who probably has not heard about the data collection , at all .Grad A: OK .Grad C: Or have youheard about it ?Grad A: Not that much you didn't .Grad C: No . OK . We were gonna put this in front of people . They give us some information on themselves.Grad A: OK .Grad C: Then {disfmarker} then they will read uh {disfmarker} a task where lots of German words are sort of thrown in between . And um{disfmarker} and they have to read isolated proper names And these change {disfmarker}Professor D: S I don't see a releaseGrad C: No , this is not the releaseform . This is the speaker information form .Professor D: Got it . OK , fine . OK .Grad C: The release form is over there in that box .Professor D: Alright , fairenough .Grad C: And um {disfmarker} And then they gonna have to f um um choose from one of these tasks , which are listed here . They {disfmarker} theypick a couple , say three {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} uh six as a matter of fact . Six different things they sort of think they would do if they were in Heidelbergor traveling someplace {disfmarker} and um {disfmarker} and they have a map .Grad B: Hmm .Grad C: Like this . Very sketchy , simplified map . And they cantake notes on that map . And then they call this computer system that works perfectly , and understands everything .Grad A: OK .Grad C: And um{disfmarker}Grad B: This is a fictional system obviously ,Grad C: The comp Yeah , the computer system sits right in front of you ,Grad B: huh .Grad C: that 's Fey.Undergrad E: I 've {disfmarker} I understand everything .Professor D: And she does know everything .Undergrad E: Yes I do .Grad C: And she has a way ofmaking this machine talk . So she can copy sentences into a window , or type really fast and this machine will use speech synthesis to produce that . So if you ask\" How do I get to the castle \" then a m s several seconds later it 'll come out of here \" In order to get to the castle you do {disfmarker} \"Grad B: Yeah .Grad C:OK ? And um {disfmarker} And then after three tasks the system breaks down . And Fey comes on the phone as a human operator . And says \" Sorry the systembroke down but let 's continue . \" And we sort of get the idea what people do when they s think they speak to a machine and what people say when they thinkthey speak to a human , or know , or assume they speak to a human .Grad A: OK . Huh .Grad B: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .Grad C: That 's the data collection .And um {disfmarker} And Fey has some thirty subjects lined up ? Something ?Undergrad E: Yeah .Grad C: And um {disfmarker} And they 're {disfmarker} rready uh {disfmarker} to roll .Undergrad E: And more and more every day .Grad C: And we 're gonna start tomorrow at three ? four ? one ?Undergrad E:Tomorrow , well we don't know for sure . Because we don't know whether that person is coming or not ,Grad C: OK . Around four - ish .Undergrad E: but{disfmarker}Grad C: And um we 're still l looking for a room on the sixth floor because they stole away that conference room . Um {disfmarker} behind our backs. But {disfmarker}Professor D: Well , there are these {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} oh , I see , we have to {disfmarker} Yeah , it 's tricky . We'll {disfmarker} let 's {disfmarker} let {disfmarker} we 'll do that off - line , OK .Grad C: Yeah , but I {disfmarker} i i it 's happening . David and {disfmarker}and Jane and {disfmarker} and Lila are working on that as we speak .Professor D: OK .Grad C: OK . That was the uh {disfmarker} the data collection in anutshell . And um {disfmarker} I can report a {disfmarker} so I did this but I also tried to do this {disfmarker} so if I click on here , Isn't this wonderful ? we getto the uh {disfmarker} uh belief - net just focusing on {disfmarker} on the g Go - there node . uh {disfmarker} Analogously this would be sort of the reason nodeand the timing node and so forth .Grad B: Mm - hmm .Grad C: And what w what happened is that um design - wise I 'd sort of n noticed that we can{disfmarker} we still get a lot of errors from a lot of points to one of these sub Go - there User Go - there Situation nodes . So I came up with a couple ofadditional nodes here where um whether the user is thrifty or not , and what his budget is currently like , is going to result in some financial state of the user .How much will he {disfmarker} is he willing to spend ? Or can spend . Being the same at this {disfmarker} just the money available , which may influence us ,whether he wants to go there if it is {disfmarker} you know {disfmarker} charging tons of dollars for admission or its gonna g cost a lot of t e whatever . Twenty- two million to fly to International Space Station , you know . just {disfmarker} Not all people can do that .Professor D: Right .Grad C: So , and this actuallyturned out to be pretty key , because having specified sort of these {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} intermediate level Um andsort of noticing that everything that happens here {disfmarker} let 's go to our favorite endpoint one is again more or less {disfmarker} we have {disfmarker}um {disfmarker} then the situation nodes contributing to the {disfmarker} the endpoint situation node , which contributes to the endpoint and so forth . um{disfmarker} I can now sort of draw straight lines from these to here , meaning it g of course goes where the sub - S {disfmarker} everything that comes fromsituation , everything that comes from user goes with the sub - U , and whatever we specify for the so - called \" Keith node \" , or the discourse , what comes fromthe {disfmarker} um {disfmarker} parser , construction parser , um will contribute to the D and the ontology to the sub - O node . And um one just s sort of hasto watch which {disfmarker} also final decision node so it doesn't make sense {disfmarker} t to figure out whether he wants to enter , view or approach an objectif he never wants to go there in the first place . But this makes the design thing fairly simple . And um now all w that 's left to do then is the CPG 's , theconditional probabilities , for the likelihood of a person having enough money , actually wanting to go a place if it costs , you know this or that . And um"}
{"doc_id":"doc_130","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay , so now we are on the conceptual design meeting . {vocalsound} Uh y getting close to the lastMarketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: isthe penultim meeting . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: How was lunch ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Mmgreat . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Thanks {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: Don't be sarcastic .{vocalsound} Mark . {vocalsound}Project Manager: So {vocalsound} um I will again do the secretary part uh we will have three presentation first um uh theindustrial design , first Rama then Mark and then Sammy .Marketing: Uh Rama .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Ramaro .Project Manager: Um um we have totake a decision on the control {disfmarker} remote control concepts and we have forty minutes .User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: So what we want to{disfmarker} the decision we want to take on this meeting are on the um first on the component concept , so what kind of energy we use uh what kind of chip onprint and one ki kind of case . And also on user interface concept uh what kind of interface we use and if there is some supplements . And at the end um Sammywill give um {vocalsound} a trend watching on what he's {disfmarker} he's been doing . It's {disfmarker} So , let's go . First with Rama . Participant two.Industrial Designer: Yeah , participant two . Component .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yep . So we're to mainly design f mainlyneed to know which components we'll use for energy , and the material and interface . For energy there are maybe two or three possibilities . First one , we canuse simple battery , or we can use {vocalsound} traditional solar cells or {disfmarker} mm and the material we can have plastic , rubber which is good for thisR_S_A_Marketing: Ah .Industrial Designer: and then uh titanium , which can be {disfmarker} which have very good look an and then interface we're to use pushbuttons or liquid crystal d L_C_D_ display . And we can use some {gap} , moving {gap} kind of thing . So , as we discussed before , we need to {disfmarker} wewould like to have some speech recognition s chip in our remote control . So this can be simple kind of programmable chip and {disfmarker} which can usemicrophone {gap} sensors . And we also want to look at our remote control , so . Still we are looking for possible uh technical uh specifications and how w easywe can do and within our pri range , like we're to {disfmarker} in our twelve Euros or around that . So we are looking for simple devices or simple technology todo the location of remote control in a room or in a house .Project Manager: Mm-hmm , okay .Industrial Designer: So uh we discussed an {disfmarker}{vocalsound} Excuse me . So we would like to propose battery instead of solar cells and it would be problematic uh to have enough energy with the solarcellsMarketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: and so we would like to just use simple battery . And also we want to go for titanium design instead of rubber or{disfmarker} and well the problem is with this design we found that we can't use double-curved shapes .Marketing: What is a double-curved shape ?IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Like you can have two curves .Marketing: Uh-huh .User Interface: Why ?Industrial Designer: Uh it's {disfmarker} I think inmanufacturing I guess it's problematic . So , we want to go for simple push buttons because it need a simple chip and it's really lesser {disfmarker} uh re reallyless expensive compared to L_C_D_Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: which are uh which needs advanced chip technology and it's more expensive,User Interface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: since we want to put some other features such as speech recognitionMarketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:we want to reduce uh cost .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um I want to know why it b uh just uh sorry but for the point before uh why not the rubber , if it issomething that it seems to be light .Marketing: The cost .Industrial Designer: Uh {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker} And also like in {disfmarker} if you put a {gap}it's be difficult to do all the moulding of buttons and these thingsProject Manager: Okay . You m titanium it's more uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: and{disfmarker} Yeah .User Interface: W we can use something like you know {vocalsound} the whole body's titanium but there are some rubber or I dunno somerubber parts likeIndustrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Mm like this ?Project Manager: Yes so mm {disfmarker}User Interface: to make it feel better and to youknow {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Like in cell phones recentlyProject Manager: Uh-huh .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah .Industrial Designer:these {disfmarker} you can {gap} with the rubber in four directions and {disfmarker}Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Okay . {gap}Industrial Designer:yeah . But full assembly {disfmarker} We'll use mainly for titanium {gap}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: rubber is expensiveProject Manager: Okay.Industrial Designer: and also it's bit difficult to do all the shapes uh .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: And this push buttonsProject Manager: Uh yeahsoIndustrial Designer: {disfmarker} we we would like to use push buttons instead of L_C_D_s and so we want to mo I mean we're {gap} we want to put speechrecognition so we want to reduce price on this technology and so that we can have enough space or enough moneyProject Manager: Okay , s so simple buttonand uh speech recognition for the more complicated .Industrial Designer: for {disfmarker} S SMarketing: Speech {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Y yeah wehave simple buttons and speech recognition technology ,User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Okay , and still we have{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: so {disfmarker}User Interface: mm can we still include the L_ L_S_D_ display ?Marketing: L_C_D_ .User Interface: L_C_D_yeah L_C_D_ .Industrial Designer: Uh lMarketing: Seems not , it's either L_C_D_ or push-button .Industrial Designer: So uhUser Interface: No ,IndustrialDesigner: it's like a {disfmarker}User Interface: it's not gonna be a t no touchable but still like a source of information or source for menus .Marketing: Ah.Industrial Designer: Yeah maybe maybe we can see depending on how we'll come up with our full design then if we have enough money or like for and{disfmarker}User Interface: Okay , so let's try it , let's tIndustrial Designer: because the speech recognition technology will take at least five Euros or {gap} orsomething so we want to reduce the cost on displayMarketing: {gap} The L_C_D_ would {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: or this interMarketing: The displaywould only be display and not uh touch sensitive you mean .User Interface: Yeah , yeah , it's it's not gonna be a touch pad , uh just a display for giving youinformation .Marketing: Just uh for output , yeah .Industrial Designer: Ok Yeah , that can we we can consider ,Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: because like it won't take much money I guess ,User Interface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: because {disfmarker}ProjectManager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Okay , yep .Project Manager: {gap} Mm .Industrial Designer: You have any further questions or ?Marketing: I guess no um .So the batteries uh are going to be very light .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah , we're to go for li and now I think we have many options in the market so we cango for small nickel or alkaline batteriesMarketing: Okay .User Interface: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: for really light batteries and with uh goodprice .Marketing: So this device on n that can be used for speech recognition could also be used for just uh the finding it basically , instead of clapping why notjust be {disfmarker} ask .Industrial Designer: Yeah , that's {disfmarker} then the the one thing we want to know is like because remote control is used for like inthe household so it it it will be it {disfmarker} m maybe at least five , six people want to use it so so how to uh uh how to define our re speechrecognitionMarketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: whether we want to do s speaker independent or speaker dependent . If we're going for more speakerindependent then it would be like again cumbersome and we need really m more technologyProject Manager: Okay ,Industrial Designer: and so{disfmarker}Project Manager: for the location . Hmm .Industrial Designer: Yeah , if if everybody in the house n {gap} to locate then we're to go for some speakerindependent technology or something .Marketing: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . So let's now go to the {disfmarker} you don't have more question?Industrial Designer: {gap}Marketing: No , it's okay .Project Manager: Um mm thank you mm .User Interface: No more questions .Industrial Designer: Yep .Thank you .Marketing: Puts less of constraint on what we can doProject Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Mm yeah , yeah .Marketing: butIndustrial Designer: Yeah.Marketing: it's always like that . We have dreams and the {disfmarker} in the end we find out that it's not feasible . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah , but{disfmarker} mm .Industrial Designer: Oh . We have uh some limitations {gap} . {vocalsound}Marketing: Anyway . {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: But stilluh L_S_D_'s already quite nice ,Marketing: L_C_D_ .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound}User Interface: L_C_ {vocalsound}Marketing: L_S_D_is something else ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: and it's quite nice as well . {vocalsound}User Interface: I'm an artist , sorry .{vocalsound}Marketing: So ,Project Manager: Um {vocalsound} yeah .User Interface: So uh , that's not {disfmarker}Marketing: go on uh artist .{vocalsound}User Interface: I hope that's not too much .Project Manager: Now let's talk about uh interface .User Interface: Okay . {vocalsound} Uh participantnumber three .Project Manager: Three .Industrial Designer: Three .User Interface: {vocalsound} UhProject Manager: Which one ? {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Marketing: Hmm . {vocalsound}User Interface: mm mm uh have a look at this {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}User Interface: no it's {disfmarker} yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .User Interface: {gap} Uh so the concept of the interface. Generally I developed quite a broad concept not only for the interface , but for possible instruction or user's manual and uh all the complex things that cometogether with your T_V_ and remote controls . So let's start with this . We got our perfect remote control with a lot of buttonsMarketing: {vocalsound}{vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: and uh we got explanation for every buttonIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: and you can use yourtime and uh it will take i some days to learn all this buttons and um the L_C_D_ is going to be somewhere here and uh go back button , I don't know really whereit is , maybe one of this buttons , and um power on and off mm I I don't rememberProject Manager: {vocalsound} Mm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}"}
{"doc_id":"doc_131","qid":"","text":"Grad A: Hey , you 're not supposed to be drinking in here dude .Grad D: OK .Grad A: Do we have to read them that slowly ? OK . Sounded like a robot . Um , thisis tGrad C: OK .Grad A: When you read the numbers it kind of reminded me of beat poetry .Grad D: I tried to go for the EE Cummings sort of feeling , but{disfmarker}Grad A: Three three six zero zero . Four two zero zero one seven . That 's what I think of when I think of beat poetry .Grad C: Beat poetry .Grad A:You ever seen \" So I married an axe murderer \" ?Grad C: Uh parts of it .Grad D: Mm - hmm .Grad A: There 's a part wh there 's parts when he 's doing beatpoetry .Grad C: Oh yeah ?Grad A: And he talks like that . That 's why I thi That uh probably is why I think of it that way .Grad D: Hmm . No , I didn't see thatmovie . Who did {disfmarker} who made that ?Grad A: Mike Meyers is the guy .Grad D: Oh . OK .Grad A: It - it 's his uh {disfmarker} it 's his cute romanticcomedy . That 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} That 's his cute romantic comedy , yeah . The other thing that 's real funny , I 'll spoil it for you . is when he 's{disfmarker} he works in a coffee shop , in San Francisco , and uh he 's sitting there on this couch and they bring him this massive cup of espresso , and he 's like\" excuse me I ordered the large espresso ? \"Grad D: Uh . We 're having , {vocalsound} a tiramisu tasting contest this weekend .Grad A: Wait {disfmarker} do arey So you 're trying to decide who 's the best taster of tiramisu ?Grad D: No ? Um . There was a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a fierce argument that broke outover whose tiramisu might be the best and so we decided to have a contest where those people who claim to make good tiramisu make them ,Grad A: Ah .GradD: and then we got a panel of impartial judges that will taste {disfmarker} do a blind taste {vocalsound} and then vote .Grad A: Hmm .Grad D: Should be fun.Grad A: Seems like {disfmarker} Seems like you could put a s magic special ingredient in , so that everyone know which one was yours . Then , if you were tobribe them , you could uh {disfmarker}Grad D: Mm - hmm . Well , I was thinking if um {disfmarker} y you guys have plans for Sunday ? We 're {disfmarker} we're not {disfmarker} it 's probably going to be this Sunday , but um we 're sort of working with the weather here because we also want to combine it with somebarbecue activity where we just fire it up and what {disfmarker} whoever brings whatever you know , can throw it on there . So only the tiramisu is free , nothingelse .Grad A: Well , I 'm going back to visit my parents this weekend , so , I 'll be out of town .Grad D: So you 're going to the west Bay then ? No ,Grad A: No ,the South Bay ,Grad D: south Bay ?Grad A: yeah .Grad D: South Bay .Grad C: Well , I should be free , so .Grad D: OK , I 'll let you know .Grad C: OK .Grad A:We are . Is Nancy s uh gonna show up ? Mmm . Wonder if these things ever emit a very , like , piercing screech right in your ear ?Grad D: They are gonna getmore comfortable headsets . They already ordered them . OK .Grad C: Uh {disfmarker}Grad D: Let 's get started . The uh {disfmarker} Should I go first , withthe uh , um , data . Can I have the remote {vocalsound} control . Thank you . OK . So . On Friday we had our wizard test data test and um {vocalsound} theseare some of the results . This was the introduction . I actually uh , even though Liz was uh kind enough to offer to be the first subject , I sort of felt that she knewtoo much , so I asked uh Litonya . just on the spur of the moment , and she was uh kind enough to uh serve as the first subject .Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad D:So , this is what she saw as part of {disfmarker} as uh for instr introduction , this is what she had to read {pause} aloud . Uh , that was really difficult for her anduh {disfmarker}Grad C: Because of l all the names , you mean ?Grad D: The names and um this was the uh first three tasks she had to {disfmarker} to masterafter she called the system , and um then of course the system broke down , and those were the l uh uh I should say the system was supposed to break downand then um these were the remaining three tasks that she was going to solve , with a human {disfmarker} Um . There are {disfmarker} here are uh the results. Mmm . And I will not {disfmarker} We will skip the reading now . D Um . And um . The reading was five minutes , exactly . And now comes the {disfmarker}This is the phone - in phase of {disfmarker}Grad C: Wait , can I {disfmarker} I have a question . So . So there 's no system , right ? Like , there was a wizard forboth uh {disfmarker} both parts , is this right ?Grad D: Yeah . It was bo it both times the same person .Grad C: OK .Grad D: One time , pretending to be asystem , one time , to {disfmarker} pretending to be a human , which is actually not pretending .Grad C: OK . And she didn't {disfmarker}Grad D: I should{disfmarker}Grad C: I mean . Well . Isn't this kind of obvious when it says \" OK now you 're talking to a human \" and then the human has the same voice ?GradD: No no no . We u Wait . OK , good question , but uh you {disfmarker} you just wait and see .Grad C: OK .Grad D: It 's {disfmarker} You 're gonna l learn . Andum the wizard sometimes will not be audible , Because she was actually {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} there was some uh lapse in the um wireless , we have tomove her closer .Grad A: Is she mispronouncing \" Anlage \" ? Is it \" Anlaga \" or \" Anlunga \"Grad D: They 're mispronouncing everything ,Grad A: OK .Grad D: butit 's {disfmarker} This is the system breaking down , actually . \" Did I call Europe ? \" So , this is it . Well , if we {disfmarker} we umProfessor B: So , are{disfmarker} are you trying to record this meeting ?Grad D: There was a strange reflex . I have a headache . I 'm really sort of out of it . OK , the uh lessonslearned . The reading needs to be shorter . Five minutes is just too long . Um , that was already anticipated by some people suggested that if we just have bulletshere , they 're gonna not {disfmarker} they 're {disfmarker} subjects are probably not gonna {disfmarker} going to follow the order . And uh she did not .GradC: Really ?Grad D: She {disfmarker} No .Grad C: Oh , it 's surprising .Grad D: She {disfmarker} she jumped around quite a bit .Professor B: S so if you justnumber them \" one \" , \" two \" , \" three \" it 'sGrad D: Yeah , and make it sort of clear in the uh {disfmarker}Professor B: OK . Right .Grad D: Um . We need to{disfmarker} So that 's one thing . And we need a better introduction for the wizard . That is something that Fey actually thought of a {disfmarker} in the lastsecond that sh the system should introduce itself , when it 's called .Professor B: Mm - hmm . True .Grad D: And um , um , another suggestion , by Liz , was thatwe uh , through subjects , switch the tasks . So when {disfmarker} when they have task - one with the computer , the next person should have task - one with ahuman , and so forth .Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad D: So we get nice um data for that . Um , we have to refine the tasks more and more , which of course wehaven't done at all , so far , in order to avoid this rephrasing , so where , even though w we don't tell the person \" ask {pause} blah - blah - blah - blah - blah \"they still try , or at least Litonya tried to um repeat as much of that text as possible .Grad C: Say exactly what 's on there ? Yeah .Grad D: And uh my suggestionis of course we {disfmarker} we keep the wizard , because I think she did a wonderful job ,Professor B: Great .Grad D: in the sense that she responded quitenicely to things that were not asked for , \" How much is a t a bus ticket and a transfer \" so this is gonna happen all the time , we d you can never be sure.Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad D: Um . Johno pointed out that uh we have maybe a grammatical gender problem there with wizard .Grad A: Yes .Grad D: So um.Grad A: I wasn't {disfmarker} wasn't sure whether wizard was the correct term for {pause} uh \" not a man \" .Grad C: There 's no female equivalent of{disfmarker}Grad D: But uh {disfmarker}Grad A: Are you sure ?Grad C: No , I don't know .Professor B: Right .Grad C: Not that I know of .Grad D: Well , there iswitch and warlock ,Grad A: Yeah , that 's so @ @ .Professor B: Right .Grad C: Yeah , that 's what I was thinking , but {disfmarker}Grad D: and uh{disfmarker}Professor B: Right . Uh .Grad D: OK . And um {disfmarker} So , some {disfmarker} some work needs to be done , but I think we can uh{disfmarker} And this , and {disfmarker} in case no {disfmarker} you hadn't seen it , this is what Litonya looked at during the uh {disfmarker} um while takingthe {disfmarker} while partaking in the data collection .Grad C: Ah .Professor B: OK , great . So {pause} first of all , I agree that um we should hire Fey , andstart paying her . Probably pay for the time she 's put in as well . Um , do you know exactly how to do that , or is uh Lila {disfmarker} I mean , you know whatexactly do we do to {disfmarker} to put her on the payroll in some way ?Grad D: I 'm completely clueless , but I 'm willing to learn .Professor B: OK . Well , you 'llhave to . Right . So anyway , umGrad D: NProfessor B: So why don't you uh ask Lila and see what she says about you know exactly what we do for someone inthGrad D: Student - type worker ,Professor B: Well , yeah she 's un she 's not a {disfmarker} a student ,Grad D: or {disfmarker} ?Professor B: she justgraduated but anyway .Grad D: Hmm .Professor B: So i if {disfmarker} Yeah , I agree , she sounded fine , she a actually was {pause} uh , more uh , present andstuff than {disfmarker} than she was in conversation , so she did a better job than I would have guessed from just talking to her .Grad D: Yeah .Professor B: So Ithink that 's great .Grad D: This is sort of what I gave her , so this is for example h how to get to the student prison ,Professor B: Yeah .Grad D: and I didn't evenspell it out here and in some cases I {disfmarker} I spelled it out a little bit um more thoroughly ,Professor B: Right .Grad D: this is the information on{disfmarker} on the low sunken castle , and the amphitheater that never came up , and um , so i if we give her even more um , instruments to work with I thinkthe results are gonna be even better .Professor B: Oh , yeah , and then of course as she does it she 'll {disfmarker} she 'll learn @ @ .  So that 's great . Um{pause} And also if she 's willing to take on the job of organizing all those subjects and stuff that would be wonderful .Grad D: Mmm .Professor B: And , uh she 's{disfmarker} actually she 's going to graduate school in a kind of an experimental paradigm , so I think this is all just fine in terms of h her learning things she 'sgonna need to know uh , to do her career .Grad D: Mmm .Professor B: So , I {disfmarker} my guess is she 'll be r r quite happy to take on that job . And , so{disfmarker}Grad D: Yep . Yeah she {disfmarker} she didn't explicitly state that so .Professor B: Great .Grad D: And um I told her that we gonna um figure out ameeting time in the near future to refine the tasks and s look for the potential sources to find people . She also agrees that you know if it 's all just gonna bestudents the data is gonna be less valuable because of that so .Professor B: Well , as I say there is this s set of people next door , it 's not hard toGrad D: We 'realready {disfmarker} Yeah .Professor B: uh {disfmarker}Grad D: However , we may run into a problem with a reading task there . And um , we 'll see .Professor"}
{"doc_id":"doc_132","qid":"","text":"PhD F: And we 're on .Professor D: OK . Might wanna {vocalsound} close the door so that {disfmarker} Uh , Stephane will {disfmarker}PhD F: I 'll get it.Professor D: YeahPhD F: Hey Dave ? Could you go ahead and turn on , uh , Stephane 's {disfmarker}Grad C: Mm - hmm .Professor D: So that 's the virtualStephane over there .PhD F: OK .Professor G: Do you use a PC for recording ? Or {disfmarker}PhD F: Uh , yeah , a Linux box . Yeah . It 's got , uh , like sixteenchannels going into it .Professor G: Uh - huh . Uh - huh . The quality is quite good ? Or {disfmarker} ?PhD F: Mm - hmm . Yeah , so far , it 's been pretty good.Professor G: Mm - hmm .Professor D: Yeah . So , uh , yeah {disfmarker} the suggestion was to have these guys start to {disfmarker}PhD F: OK . Why don't yougo ahead , Dave ?Grad C: OK . Um , so , yeah , the {disfmarker} this past week I 've been main mainly occupied with , um , getting some results , u from the SRIsystem trained on this short Hub - five training set for the mean subtraction method . And , um , I ran some tests last night . But , um , c the results aresuspicious . Um , it 's , um , {vocalsound} cuz they 're {disfmarker} the baseline results are worse than , um , Andreas {disfmarker} than results Andreas gotpreviously . And {vocalsound} it could have something to do with , um {disfmarker}PhD F: That 's on digits ?Grad C: That 's on digits . It c it {disfmarker} itcould h it could have something to do with , um , downsampling .PhD F: Hmm .Grad C: That 's {disfmarker} that 's worth looking into . Um , d and , um , ap apapart from that , I guess the {disfmarker} the main thing I have t ta I have to talk is , um , where I 'm planning to go over the next week . Um . So I 've beenworking on integrating this mean subtraction approach into the SmartKom system . And there 's this question of , well , so , um , in my tests before with HTK Ifound it worked {disfmarker} it worked the best with about twelve seconds of data used to estimate the mean , but , we 'll often have less {comment} in theSmartKom system . Um . So I think we 'll use as much data as we have {pause} at a particular time , and we 'll {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we 'll concatenateutterances together , um , to get as much data as we possibly can from the user . But , {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} there 's a question of how to set up themodels . So um , we could train the models . If we think twelve seconds is ideal we could train the models using twelve seconds to calculate the mean , to meansubtract the training data . Or we could , um , use some other amount . So {disfmarker} like I did an experiment where I , um , was using six seconds in test ,um , but , for {disfmarker} I tried twelve seconds in train . And I tried , um , um , the same in train {disfmarker} I 'm a I tried six seconds in train . And sixseconds in train {vocalsound} was about point three percent better . Um , and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} um , it 's not clear to me yet whether that 's{vocalsound} something significant . So I wanna do some tests and , um , {vocalsound} actually make some plots of , um {disfmarker} for a particular amountof data and test what happens if you vary the amount of data in train .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor D: Uh , Guenter , I don't know if you t {vocalsound} followedthis stuff but this is , uh , {vocalsound} a uh , uh , long - term {disfmarker} long - term window F F Yeah . Yeah , he {disfmarker} you talked about it .ProfessorG: Yeah , we {disfmarker} we spoke about it already ,Professor D: Oh , OK . So you know what he 's doing .Professor G: yeah .Professor D: Alright .Grad C: y sso I was {disfmarker} I actually ran the experiments mostly and I {disfmarker} I was {disfmarker} I was hoping to have the plots with me today . I just didn'tget to it . But , um {disfmarker} yeah , I wou I would be curious about people 's feedback on this cuz I 'm {disfmarker} {vocalsound} @ @ {comment} I p Ithink there are some I think it 's {disfmarker} it 's kind of like a {disfmarker} a bit of a tricky engineering problem . I 'm trying to figure out what 's the optimalway to set this up . So , um , {vocalsound} I 'll try to make the plots and then put some postscript up on my {disfmarker} on my web page . And I 'll mention itin my status report if people wanna take a look .Professor D: You could clarify something for me . You 're saying point three percent , you take a point threepercent hit , {vocalsound} when the training and testing links are {disfmarker} don't match or something ?PhD E: Hello .Professor D: Is that what it is ?Grad C:w Well , it cProfessor D: Or {disfmarker} ?Grad C: I {disfmarker} I don't think it {disfmarker} it 's {vocalsound} just for any mismatch {vocalsound} you take ahit .Professor D: Yeah .Grad C: i In some cases it might be u better to have a mismatch . Like I think I saw something like {disfmarker} like if you only have twoseconds in test , or , um , maybe it was something like four seconds , you actually do a little better if you , um , {vocalsound} train on six seconds than if youtrain on four seconds .Professor D: Yeah . Right .Grad C: Um , but the case , uh {disfmarker} with the point three percent hit was {vocalsound} using six secondsin test , um , comparing train on twelve seconds {comment} versus train on six seconds .Professor D: And which was worse ?Grad C: The train on twelve seconds.Professor D: OK . But point three percent , uh , w from what to what ? That 's point three percent {disfmarker}Grad C: On {disfmarker} The {disfmarker} the{disfmarker} the accuracies {vocalsound} w went from {disfmarker} it was something vaguely like ninety - five point six accuracy , um , improved to ninety -five point nine wh when I {disfmarker}Professor D: So four point four to four point one .Grad C: OK .Professor D: So {disfmarker} yeah . So about a{disfmarker} about an eight percent , uh , seven or eight percent relative ?Grad C: OK .Professor D: Uh , Yeah . Well , I think in a p You know , if {disfmarker} ifyou were going for an evaluation system you 'd care . But if you were doing a live system that people were actually using nobody would notice . It 's {disfmarker}uh , I think the thing is to get something that 's practical , that {disfmarker} that you could really use .Grad C: Huh . That 's {disfmarker} that 's interesting .Alright , the e uh , I see your point . I guess I was thinking of it as , um , {vocalsound} an interesting research problem . The {disfmarker} how to g I wasthinking that for the ASRU paper we could have a section saying , {vocalsound} \" For SmartKom , we {disfmarker} we d in {disfmarker} we tried this approach in, uh , {vocalsound} interactive system \" , which I don't think has been done before .Professor D: Yeah . Mm - hmm .Grad C: And {disfmarker} and then therewas two research questions from that .Professor D: Mm - hmm .Grad C: And one is the k does it still work if you just use the past history ?Professor D: Mm -hmm .Grad C: Alright , and the other was this question of , um what I was just talking about now . So I guess that 's why I thought it was interesting .ProfessorD: I mean , a short - time FFT {disfmarker} short - time cepstrum calculation , uh , mean {disfmarker} u mean calculation work that people have in commercialsystems , they do this all the time . They {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} they calculate it from previous utterances and then use it , you know .Grad C: Yeah , um.Professor D: But {disfmarker} but , uh , as you say , there hasn't been that much with this long {disfmarker} long - time , uh , spectra work .Grad C: Oh , o Oh ,OK .Professor D: Uh ,Grad C: So that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} that 's standard . Um {disfmarker}Professor D: Yeah . Pretty common .Grad C: OK.Professor D: Yeah . Um , but , u uh , yes . No , it is interesting . And the other thing is , I mean , there 's two sides to these really small , uh , gradations inperformance . Um , I mean , on the one hand in a practical system if something is , uh , four point four percent error , four point one percent error , people won'treally tell {disfmarker} be able to tell the difference . On the other hand , when you 're doing , uh , research , you may , eh {disfmarker} you might find that theway that you build up a change from a ninety - five percent accurate system to a ninety - eight percent accurate system is through ten or twelve little things thatyou do that each are point three percent . So {disfmarker} so the {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} I don't mean to say thatthey 're {disfmarker} they 're irrelevant . Uh , they are relevant . But , um , {vocalsound} i for a demo , you won't see it .Grad C: Mm - hmm . Right . OK.Professor D: Yeah .Grad C: And , um , Let 's {disfmarker} l let 's see . Um , OK . And then there 's um , another thing I wanna start looking at , um ,{vocalsound} wi is , um , the choice of the analysis window length . So I 've just been using two seconds just because that 's what Carlos did before . Uh , I wroteto him asking about he chose the two seconds . And it seemed like he chose it a bit informally . So , um , with the {disfmarker} with the HTK set - up I should beable to do some experiments , on just varying that length , say between one and three seconds , in a few different reverberation conditions , um , say this roomand also a few of the artificial impulse responses we have for reverberation , just , um , making some plots and seeing how they look . And , um , so , with the{disfmarker} the sampling rate I was using , one second or two seconds or four seconds is at a power of two um , number of samples and , um , I 'll {disfmarker}I 'll jus f for the ones in between I guess I 'll just zero - pad .Professor D: Mm - hmm . I guess one thing that might also be an issue , uh , cuz part of what you 'redoing is you 're getting a {disfmarker} a spectrum over a bunch of different kinds of speech sounds . Um , and so it might matter how fast someone was talkingfor instance .Grad C: Oh .Professor D: You know , if you {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if there 's a lot of phones in one second maybe you 'll get a{disfmarker} a really good sampling of all these different things , and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and , uh , on the other hand if someone 's talking slowly maybeyou 'd need more . So {disfmarker}Grad C: Huh .Professor D: I don't know if you have some samples of faster or slower speech but it might make a difference . Idon't know .Grad C: Uh , yeah , I don't {disfmarker} I don't think the TI - digits data that I have , um , {vocalsound} i is {disfmarker} would be appropriate forthat .Professor D: Yeah , probably not . Yeah .Grad C: But what do you {disfmarker} What about if I w I fed it through some kind of , um , speech processingalgorithm that changed the speech rate ?Professor D: Yeah , but then you 'll have the degradation of {disfmarker} of , uh , whatever you do uh , added onto that. But maybe . Yeah , maybe if you get something that sounds {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} does a pretty job at that .Grad C: Yeah . Well ,uh , just if you think it 's worth looking into .Professor D: You could imagine that .Grad C: I mean , it {disfmarker} it is getting a little away from reverberation.Professor D: Um , yeah . It 's just that you 're making a choice {disfmarker} uh , I was thinking more from the system aspect , if you 're making a choice forSmartKom , that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that it might be that it 's {disfmarker} it c the optimal number could be different , depending on"}
{"doc_id":"doc_133","qid":"","text":"The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota (NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)): I call the meeting to order.  Welcome to the third meeting of the House of Commons SpecialCommittee on the COVID-19 Pandemic. Pursuant to the order of reference of Monday, April20, the committee is meeting for the purposes of consideringministerial announcements, allowing members to present petitions, and questioning ministers of the crown, including the Prime Minister, in respect of theCOVID-19 pandemic. I understand there's an agreement to observe a moment of silence in memory of the six members of the Canadian Armed Forces who losttheir lives last Wednesday in a helicopter crash off the coast of Greece.  We'll return to order. Colleagues, we meet today to continue our discussion about howour country is dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic. As we do, Canadians, like everyone around the world, are doing their best to live their lives until thingsimprove. Meanwhile, as we look towards the future, I believe that it is also important to remember our past and to continue to mark the important moments inour shared history. At this very moment, the Dominion Carillonneur, Dr. Andrea McCrady, is performing a special recital to commemorate the 75th anniversary ofthe liberation of the Netherlands by the Canadian Forces. In May 1945, Canadian Forces played a major role in liberating the Dutch people from Nazi occupation.May 5 is now a national holiday in the Netherlands that commemorates the event and the great friendship that now exists between our two countries. Today'smeeting is taking place by video conference. The proceedings will be made available via the House of Commons website. Please be aware that the webcast willalways show the person speaking rather than the entire committee. Let me remind you that, as in the House or in committee, members may not takephotographs of their colleagues or film the proceedings. In order to facilitate the work of our interpreters and ensure orderly meetings, I will outline a few rules.Interpretation of this video conference will be done as it is at normal committee meetings and in the House. At the bottom of your screen, you can choose floor,English or French. As you have seen, I change as I am speaking. I have now switched over to English in order to speak English. If you look at the bottom, youhave a little flag that indicates whether it's English or French, and that's how we will be speaking. It makes it easier. That was where we had a little bit of a glitchin the last session. I understand that there are no statements by ministers. We can now proceed to presenting petitions for a period not exceeding 15 minutes.  Iwould like to remind members that petitions presented during a meeting of the special committee must already have been certified by the clerk of petitions.  Inaddition, to ensure that the petition is considered to have been properly presented, the certificate of the petition and each page of the petition for petitionscertified in a previous Parliament should be emailed to the committee no later than 6 p.m. on the day before the committee. I thank all the members for theirusual co-operation. Thank you all. Now we'll proceed to presenting petitions. Our first petition comes from the honourable member for Sherwood ParkFortSaskatchewan, Mr. Genuis.Mr. Garnett Genuis (Sherwood ParkFort Saskatchewan, CPC): Mr. Chair, I'm pleased to be presenting two petitions today. The firstpetition is with respect to government Bill C-7. Petitioners raised concerns that this bill removes safeguards from the current euthanasia regime. It includesremoving the mandatory 10-day reflection period and the number of required witnesses who will witness a person's consent. The petitioners urge the House ofCommons to immediately discontinue the removal of safeguards for people requesting euthanasia, and to put in place additional measures to protect vulnerablepeople. This would require that bill to be amended or not passed. The second petition is with respect to Senate public bill S-204. This is on organ harvesting andtrafficking. Petitioners call on members of the House, and hopefully the Senate as well, to support Bill S-204, which would make it a criminal offence for a personto go abroad and receive an organ for which there has not been consent. It would also create provisions under which a person could be made inadmissible toCanada if they had been involved in organ harvesting or trafficking. Thank you very much.The Chair: Thank you. I want to remind all the members that there arespecific headsets that have been mandated to all of us. If you don't have one, please talk to your IT ambassador and they will get one to you as quickly aspossible. The reason for them is not so much for what you hear, but that our interpreters are working and there are work conditions that really make it difficult.Part of that is not having the appropriate boom on your headset, which will make it very difficult for them to hear and interpret for our members. Now we go tothe member for BeachesEast York, Mr. Erskine-Smith.Mr. Nathaniel Erskine-Smith (BeachesEast York, Lib.): Mr. Chair, I had to learn how to tie my tie all overagain. It's been so long. I want to thank Jenna Robar, who's led this petition e-2453. The petitioners have noted that there are approximately 60 indigenouslanguages in Canada and that 2019, last year, was declared by the UN to be the year of indigenous languages. They draw attention to article 13 of the UNDRIPand to the TRC's calls to action numbers 13 to 16. Fundamentally, they call upon the Government of Canada to recognize indigenous languages as being officiallanguages of Canada and to have each language recognized nationally, with implementations on regional and provincial levels, acknowledging that many regionshave different languages.Mr. Eric Duncan (StormontDundasSouth Glengarry, CPC): Mr. Chair, I am proud to present a petition on behalf of one of myconstituents, Myles Lynch of St. Andrews West in my riding. Myles made history as the first Canadian ever to survive three double-lung transplants. Myles liveswith cystic fibrosis and has had three lung transplants in the last five years, and he's only 22 years old. Myles created a documentary called 8 Thousand Myles,which had a few showings in my riding. It documented his journey across Canada. One thing Myles has been advocating for is the creation of a national opt-outprogram for organ donation. Myles asked me how he could help raise awareness of that issue. I mentioned to him e-petitions online and getting people across thecountry to sign them. I am proud to have this certified today, with 1,318 signatures, asking the Standing Committee on Health to launch a study into thefeasibility of the creation of a national opt-out program. I give kudos to Myles not only for his strength personally but also for his advocacy for others and forsaving lives in our country by advocating for a better and an improved organ donation system. Kudos to Myles. I'm proud to present this petition today.Mr. PeterJulian (New WestminsterBurnaby, NDP): Mr. Chair, I'm very pleased to present this certified petition on behalf of several dozen residents of Toronto, Mississaugaand Brampton, Ontario, who add their voices to those of the thousands upon thousands of Canadians who have signed similar petitions. Given that Canadians areliving through unprecedented, catastrophic climate events, and at the same time our society, as you know, is suffering from worsening social and economicinequalitieshalf of Canadian families are only $200 away from insolvency in any given monthand particularly given the pandemic that we are currentlyexperiencing, these petitioners are calling on the Government of Canada to support motion M-1, a made-in-Canada green new deal that I am presenting in frontof the House of Commons. It calls on Canada to take bold and rapid action to tackle the climate emergency, and to put in place a shift to a clean and renewableenergy economy.Mr. Gord Johns (CourtenayAlberni, NDP): Mr. Chair, it's an honour to table a petition on behalf of constituents from CourtenayAlberni. They areconcerned, obviously, about fentanyl-related deaths. Over 12,000 Canadians have died over the last four years due to fentanyl-poisoned sources. They cite thatthe current war on drugs has been costly and grossly ineffective; that it has resulted in widespread stigma towards addiction and against those who use illicitdrugs; and that criminalization of particular substances has resulted in the establishment of a drug trade that now trafficks dangerous and lethal products such asfentanyl. They are citing that regulating to ensure safe sources, with proper measures and bylaws, will reduce the criminal element associated with street drugs.Problematic substance use is a health issue and is not resolved through criminalization of personal possession and consumption. They are calling on theGovernment of Canada to declare the current opioid overdose and fenanyl poisoning crisis a national public health emergency under the Emergencies Act. Theyare calling for the government to reform current drug policy to decriminalize personal possession, as has been done in Portugal and other countries, and to createwith urgency and immediacy a system to provide safe and unadulterated access to substances so that people who use substances experimentally, recreationallyor chronically are not at imminent risk of overdose due to a contaminated source.Mr. Brad Vis (MissionMatsquiFraser Canyon, CPC): Mr. Chair, I'm presenting apetition today that contains the concerns of Canadians in my riding with the government's approach to firearms legislation and regulation. The petition highlightsthat the Liberal government's December 5, 2019, Speech from the Throne contains numerous inaccuracies about current firearms legislation and regulation; thatthe term military-style assault rifles is a political phrase undefined in Canadian law; that municipalities are constitutionally unable to enact criminal law to banhandguns in their jurisdictions; that the experts, including chiefs of police, agree that banning firearms and requiring law-abiding gun owners to follow moreunnecessary red tape will not increase public safety; that the majority of guns used in violent crimes are smuggled into Canada from the United States; and thatthe Liberal government continues to target law-abiding firearms owners instead of the gangs, drug traffickers and illegal gun traffickers responsible for violence inour communities. The petitioners in MissionMatsquiFraser Canyon are calling on the government to stop targeting law-abiding firearms owners; to cancel all plansto confiscate firearms legally owned by federally licensed, RCMP-vetted Canadians; and to focus our limited resources on anti-gang enforcement, on reducing theinvolvement of at-risk youth and gangs, on mental health and on providing the Canada Border Services Agency with the tools they need to do their jobeffectively.The Chair: Very good. That's all for petitions today. We will now proceed to the questioning of ministers. I would like to remind honourable membersthat no member shall be recognized for more than five minutes at a time and that members may split their time with one or more members by so indicating tothe chair. Ministers responding to the question should do so by simply turning on their mike and speaking. I want to again remind honourable members to use the"}
{"doc_id":"doc_134","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Alright , that did nothing . Okay . Welcome to the meeting everyone . Just gonna attempt to make this into a slide show . Sorry guys.Marketing: You may have to do the function F_ eight thing .Project Manager: I did . Twice .Marketing: Oh , okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: This'll just takea moment . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay okay {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Or it won't.Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay we'll have to deal with it like this then .Industrial Designer: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Alright . Um .This is the first meeting uh for developing our , our new product . {gap} I'm Heather , I'm your Project Manager .Industrial Designer: Hello . {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . So um . So that was the opening .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: The first thing we'll do is getacquainted with one another . If everyone could go around and explain their role and um , and their name .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:Okay . My name's Poppy . I'm the Industrial Designer for this project . Um , I'm going to be responsible for the functional design phase . Also the conceptualdesign and the detailed design for the final product .Project Manager: Nice to meet you Poppy .Industrial Designer: Okay . {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound} My name's Tara and I'm the User Interface Designer .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: I will also be responsible for the functional designphase , the conceptual design phase and the detailed design phase of the user interface design . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Alright .Marketing: Hi , I'mGenevieve . I'm the Marketing Expert . I'm an expert at marketing .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Um , I'll betelling you guys about the user requirement specifications for our new product . Um , I'll be doing some trend-watching in the conceptual design , and productevaluation for the design phase .Project Manager: Alright I'm Heather and I've I said I'm your Project Manager , um Well you can pretty much read what it is thatI'm doing . But um um {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah . And uh tool training is one thing that we'regoing to be doing today , um um as well as planning the project , how we're going to , uh , create this product , and , um , discuss , um , our aims and objects ofthis , Which brings us to our next subject ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: is , um , um ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: as a teamwe're going to be designing and creating a new kind of remote control . Um , we want this to be a marketable product that can be trendy , um , a completely newstyle , so that , um , can really appeal to a , to a generation that doesn't want a simple plain kind of , uh , channel-changer . And , um , it needs to beuser-friendly for , um , maybe , for an example , for people that , um , can't see the numbers as well , or , um , perhaps an ergonomic design .IndustrialDesigner: Okay . So this is a television remote control ?Project Manager: Yes , it's a television remote control .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Right .I believe I should be taking minutes on this right now . So , alright .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: Um , yeah . Um , the way that we're going to goabout this is , um , we'll have a time where we can , um come up with new ideas alone , and , and work on the project and then , um , after we've brainstormedand , and thought about , we can come together in a meeting and , and discuss what , what um , what kind of functional design we want to use . Same withconceptual design and detailed design . So , um , making sure that it , it's usable , that as a , um {disfmarker} and that it's , it's feasible to create , and uh , tocome up with a concept of it want , what we want it to look like . Um , tool training . Is , is everyone , um {disfmarker} {gap} Okay .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Got those notes .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Great . Great .Marketing: Thank you .Project Manager: Um One thing that , uh , we're going to do is becomemore acquainted with the , the tools that we have access to for our project . Um , one of them is our whiteboard . And , um , as a sort of team-building moment ,um , I , I'd like us to , um , try out the whiteboard by expressing our favourite animal and the charac characteristics of that animal .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um , why that , why that should be your favourite animal . So , um , I , I'massuming that we should do that now .Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} With our microphones still attached to our bodies . Okay . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay .User Interface:Gosh . {vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay , what's my favourite animal ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Do come up .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Oh ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {gap} to go first . {vocalsound} Oh ,Project Manager: This is ateam-building timeIndustrial Designer: are we all doing it individually ?User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: where , um ,{vocalsound} ,Industrial Designer: Okay , let's stand up and support you {vocalsound}Project Manager: okay cool , um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: My favourite animal , which changes all the time , okay ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: right now it is an elk .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay .User Interface: An elk ?Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: alright , so{disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} A vicious {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager: And it goes like {disfmarker} Yeah it's got like big antlers ,UserInterface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: yeah . Looks kinda like , like it has holly growing out of its head .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Do you have elk where you come from ?Project Manager: Yes .Industrial Designer: You do .ProjectManager: YeahMarketing: We have moose too . {vocalsound}Project Manager: we have moose and we have deer .Industrial Designer: Okay .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Do you have {disfmarker}User Interface: We have sheep . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} {gap} 'Kay , um.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Sheep . Yeah ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: cows .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: That's agreat elk .Marketing: Uh-oh , we have a good artist . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: That is really good .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Thanks.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}User Interface: I'm quite {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager: This is my {disfmarker}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Oh , very shapely .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Brilliant .Project Manager: That's a sketching of my my elk ,and it , it is my favourite animal right now , 'cause it is a large beautiful majestic creature ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: that um , that um{disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: In a way it looks kind of awkward , because it's on spindly legs and it uh {disfmarker}User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: But it can really overcome harsh terrain , and although it's gorgeous it's also very dangerous , because it has um strong antlers ,and uh it can really combat its enemies , even like it it's a it's an herbivore but , uh , it can really defend itself .Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: Yeah.Industrial Designer: Very nice . Okay .Project Manager: Right .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Right , I'm gonna take minutes while , um ,you guys express your favourite animals .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay , I'll go next . I am a big animal lover . like all sorts of animals ,but for the moment I'm gonna draw a cat , in memory of my poor cat that died recently . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Oh .Project Manager: Oh.Industrial Designer: It's gonna be a bit of a strange drawing , but never mind .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Not as artistic as Heather's drawing .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Bit morecartoon style .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: But I like cats because they're so independent , and they always seem to be doing what theywant to be doing . Um , but that doesn't mean they're completely not sociable , 'cause they enjoy interacting with humans as well , and they seem to enjoy thegood things like sunshine and , um , running around outside as well as being inside , and enjoying their food , and generally just , they just seemed so cool and{vocalsound} they just know what they're doing .User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh I reckon they're sort of , they got it sorted .They know what they want .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Basically , that's why I like cats . {vocalsound}User Interface: Verygood . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Great .Industrial Designer: {gap} I'll rub that out . There you go . {vocalsound}User Interface: Okay . I think my favouriteanimal would be a dog , but I'm not really sure {vocalsound} how to draw one .Industrial Designer: Ooh .User Interface: I , I've never drawn a dog , I don't think. I'm tempted to draw a snail 'cause I draw them sometimes {vocalsound} and they're really easy to draw .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Um ,Project Manager: I forget her name .User Interface: right it's gonna be a really funny dog ,'cause I'm not sure how to draw a dog .Marketing: TaraProject Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: or Tara .Industrial Designer: Well there are loads of differenttypes of dogs , so I'm sure it'll represent one kind of dog . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} It's a cartoon dog I think .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: A s I don't ev Oh , oh well . {vocalsound} It's a scary cartoon dog . That {disfmarker} This,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: that does not look like a dog .Project Manager: {vocalsound} It looks kinda like a person .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} We can pretend . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} I'm sorry .Marketing: {vocalsound} That's Pinocchio.User Interface: {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} How do you draw a dog ? I suppose it has a lon Oh my god . Right . Yous know what it'ssupposed to be .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay .User Interface: {vocalsound} It's a dog . {vocalsound} . Um , I like dogs because , um , they're sogood to humans , like they can be trained to be police dogs and seeing-eye dogs , and they're just such friendly animals . And , like they're more of a companion"}
{"doc_id":"doc_135","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} minutes from the last meeting which were essentially that we uh had decided on roles for each of you ,however , um there are some changes that I've got from on highUser Interface: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: that um are a bit uh {disfmarker} well wwhat I didn't actually realise it was that the uh {vocalsound} this is for a specific television .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: So the all in one idea goes outthe window . And {vocalsound} they require that the uhUser Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: actually I'll get to that at the end {gap} point number four ,um we'll get what you've got and then we can see what we can adapt from it . So um , presentations , were you {disfmarker} anybody got , raring to go?Marketing: Yeah . Yeah .Project Manager: Raring to go ? Okay . Good stuff . Mm .Marketing: Um . So how {disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh I need to plug youin . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: S {gap}Project Manager: Just about .User Interface: Wow . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: It'sa inspired design .Marketing: {gap}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Sh do you want me to hold it ?Project Manager: Uh there we go , just screw 'em onin . Gonna have to swap them round so {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} So , after that ?Project Manager: now , it was function F_ eight.Marketing: F_ eight . {vocalsound} f oh sorry F_ eight .Project Manager: That's the wee blue one . Blue one F_ eight .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Shoulddo it , good one .Marketing: Yeah . Yeah . Uh , me again , Rajan the Marketing Expert . Uh , as we have decided in the last meeting that I have to find out , sorry, yeah sure .Project Manager: Hold on , sorry . {gap} and if you just click that it'll go ahead , one at a time .Marketing: Yeah , yeah . Uh actually , sorry I have tosee the other {gap} , sorry .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Sorry , uh .Marketing: Yeah , thank you .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Uh , yes , I haveto look at the uh market potential for this product , uh , like consumer likings and everything , what is the potential for this product and are we able to achieveour a net profit or our aims or not ? Then {disfmarker}Project Manager: P press F_ five to start it first .Marketing: Sorry . Okay . Yeah , I can , okay .IndustrialDesigner: Hmm .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Jesus .Marketing: Uh then uh the methodology I adopted to find out all this was market survey . A a detailedmarket survey on consumers was done to find out their likings and dislikings , what they prefer what they not prefer , w what problems they do encounter in allthis type of things . And what we got was , we found that {disfmarker} if you {disfmarker} uh , what they th what problems they are having with different uhremote controls available in the market . Seventy five percent of users they do find it that the remote controls available in the market are ugly . They are not sogood looking . So , we have to put stress on this , uh we have to take care of this fact also like our design , uh should be appropriate , should be good looking forthe consumers . And yes that's wi uh this will definitely , this can definitely put uh uh enhance our sales . Uh and even uh the good thing about this is that eightypercent of users they are willing to pay high uh pay more for this uh good looking remote controls also . So even if the available market goes for the available{disfmarker} uh even if the market goes for the available remote control is less even then we can sell it at twenty five Euros , which maybe which may seemquite high but if our looks are are if the re remote control we design have a good better uh better look uh designs , then we can hope that consumers will preferthese g remote controls .Project Manager: Excellent .Marketing: Then {disfmarker} {gap} And the second thing , some some companies they think that theyshould have more and more functions of the users uh or in their remote controls , but rather than those having more functions in the remote controls we shouldemphasise what actually consumer want , what they operate , rather than making it too complicated . Because mostly it has been found that fifty percent of theusers they use only ten percent of the buttons , so there is no point of having ninety percent buttons making the remote controls too bulky , too complicated tooexpensive a because I think I believe that technology is useful only if uh the consumers they want to use it . Otherwise there is no point of having all this type ofthings . So this will not only reduce the cost of our remote controls but it will increase our profit also . So we have to take care of this fact also . Then . Uh it wasfunction I want to go to .Project Manager: Oh you wanna go back ? Just escape .Marketing: Uh , escape , okay thank you . Then if we look at this slide ,ProjectManager: Okay .Marketing: uh these are in your shared documents , you can see ,Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: like {disfmarker} Uh , sorry .UserInterface: So , sorry {disfmarker} I was just gonna say , what was the question for this ? Or is {disfmarker} are you coming on to that ?Marketing: Ah t look allthe market potential , what uh how we should design consu our remote controls , what they should be there so as to en enhance our profit , enhance our sales.User Interface: Okay . So these percentages are are what ?Marketing: Yeah , these are different age group persons like uh sorry , I can open it in another way.Project Manager: Okay . Speech recognition .Marketing: Uh , yes . If we look at the costs whether the consumers they are willing to uh pay more for speechrecognition in a remote control or not , we can find that they up to a thirty five years age group we have a very good disliking for this uh this uh point , like forspeech recognition in a remote control .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: So we can emphasise on this point also like , because it will definitelyenhance our sales in this ag in this particular age group from uh fifteen to thirty five ,User Interface: Hmm .Marketing: and I uh and I think that most of the usersof the rem uh T_V_ are belong to this age group . So we should look {disfmarker}Project Manager: Hmm . We're als we we're looking at who buys it as well .{gap}Marketing: Yeah . We can look at that that factor also , so yes . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh , which I think the twenty five to thirty five is uh usual ,sort of .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Mm , mm .Marketing: So , and {disfmarker} {gap}Project Manager: {gap}Marketing: {vocalsound} And then{disfmarker}Project Manager: Fifteen to tweMarketing: Yes . I think so . Uh if we look at this data how how uh h how what are the problems the consumers arefacing with the existing remote controls in the market .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: They find that thirt uh thirty five percent uh thirty four percentof the consumers they find too difficult to operate a remote control . So it should be in such a way that it should be easy to learn how to operate these remotecontrols and we should provide pl uh spe uh proper manuals for its use also so as that people {disfmarker} consumers could easily learn . They need not to haveany , much technical knowledge to see uh to know how to operate these remote controls .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Marketing: So this is also a very goo uhmajor factor to loo uh take into consideration to enhance our profits and sales . So um this is all aboutProject Manager: Okay . {vocalsound}Marketing: uhmarket potential by me .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Uh , yes , th thank you .Project Manager: Okay , thank you . Um ,{vocalsound} follow on with Helen ? Yeah please .User Interface: Yep , sure , that's cool , um {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah we have to take that {gap} out.Project Manager: Oh , so we do yeah .Marketing: Sorry .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Fun and games .Marketing: Sorry.Project Manager: Don't know if the cable's gonna be long enough .Marketing: Uh sorry , I have {gap} . {vocalsound}Project Manager: I think I just kicked overwhatever it runs on underneath as well .Marketing: Brian , this one also I {gap} . Yeah .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Thank you very much Brian .UserInterface: I can turn my computer quickly if that's okay .Marketing: If you want me to help , yeah .User Interface: Um , yep .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Okay , and then what do I press , F_ eight ?Marketing: Uh F_ eight . Function F_ eight .Project Manager: FunctionF_ eight .User Interface: Oh right .Marketing: Mm s .User Interface: Okay , cool .Marketing: It's not coming . Function F_ eight , okay .User Interface: Oh.Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah . No signal . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Computer .Project Manager: Hmm .Marketing: Computer adjusting ,yeah .Project Manager: There you go .User Interface: Okay . Cool .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Okay and then how do I press the the big one , to get it on tothe big {disfmarker}Project Manager: Uh F_ five .User Interface: F_ five and I press that again to get it off as well do I ?Marketing: Escape .Project Manager: Um, F_ five and escape'll bring it back and just uh the left button for advancing .User Interface: Okay , so um I'm the interface design designer , User InterfaceDesigner sorry , uh I'm concerned with um w what effect the apparatus should have on the user and um I'm I'm also {disfmarker} I want to point out that ourmotto , put the fashion in electronics ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: so obviously we as a company we want to make our products trendy andfashionable , it's a big concern of ours . Okay , and how do I press n just the next button ?Project Manager: Uh just a left uhUser Interface: The arrow ? Okay.Project Manager: left mouse button .User Interface: So um I looked at existing designs and also um the information that Raj gave us was very useful about whatpeople like , what people dislike . Um and what people {disfmarker} fashionable , because we said people between twenty five and thirty five were the main umbuyers of of our T_V_ I think .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Okay .User Interface: So um what they like and what they find fashionable .Project Manager: 'Kay.User Interface: {vocalsound} And ergonomics , we said um , I don't know I haven't actually been able to do any of this myself ,Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: but um maybe that comes up , I don't know .Project Manager: That can come under Arlo as well.User Interface: And the findings , well the basic {disfmarker} that was the basic function to send messages to the television set .Project Manager: Uh .UserInterface: That's what people want to do . Um , so they need to be included , um , but I've got some pictures here of some leading ones . I don't know how to getto them ,Project Manager: Uh if you if you escape then you can see your bar .User Interface: {vocalsound} do I press F_ five is it ? {gap} escape ? Oh okay , cool. I haven't got my glasses on so I hope it's this one .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh okay .User Interface: These are two leading um remote controls at themoment .Project Manager: 'Kay .User Interface: You know they're grey , they've I mean this one's got loads of buttons , it's hard to tell from here what they"}
{"doc_id":"doc_136","qid":"","text":"Grad C: Yeah , we had a long discussion about how much w how easy we want to make it for people to bleep things out . So {disfmarker} Morgan wants to makeit hard .PhD D: It {disfmarker} it doesn't {disfmarker}Grad C: Did {disfmarker} did {disfmarker} did it {disfmarker} ? I didn't even check yesterday whether itwas moving .PhD D: It didn't move yesterday either when I started it .Grad C: So .PhD D: So I don't know if it doesn't like both of us {disfmarker}Grad C:Channel three ? Channel three ?PhD D: You know , I discovered something yesterday on these , um , wireless ones .Grad B: Channel two .Grad C: Mm - hmm?PhD D: You can tell if it 's picking up {pause} breath noise and stuff .Grad C: Yeah , it has a little indicator on it {disfmarker} on the AF .PhD D: Mm - hmm . Soif you {disfmarker} yeah , if you breathe under {disfmarker} breathe and then you see AF go off , then you know {pause} it 's p picking up your mouth noise.PhD F: Oh , that 's good . Cuz we have a lot of breath noises .Grad C: Yep . Test .PhD F: In fact , if you listen to just the channels of people not talking , it 's like\" @ @ \" . It 's very disgustGrad C: What ? Did you see Hannibal recently or something ?PhD F: Sorry . Exactly . It 's very disconcerting . OK . So , um ,Grad C:PhD F: I was gonna try to get out of here , like , in half an hour , um , cuz I really appreciate people coming , and {vocalsound} the main thing that I was gonnaask people to help with today is {pause} to give input on what kinds of database format we should {pause} use in starting to link up things like word transcriptsand annotations of word transcripts , so anything that transcribers or discourse coders or whatever put in the signal , {vocalsound} with time - marks for , like ,words and phone boundaries and all the stuff we get out of the forced alignments and the recognizer . So , we have this , um {disfmarker} I think a starting pointis clearly the {disfmarker} the channelized {pause} output of Dave Gelbart 's program , which Don brought a copy of ,Grad C: Yeah . Yeah , I 'm {disfmarker} I'm familiar with that . I mean , we {disfmarker} I sort of already have developed an XML format for this sort of stuff .PhD F: um , which {disfmarker}PhD D: CanI see it ?Grad C: And so the only question {disfmarker} is it the sort of thing that you want to use or not ? Have you looked at that ? I mean , I had a web pageup .PhD F: Right . So ,Grad C: So {disfmarker}PhD F: I actually mostly need to be able to link up , or {disfmarker} I it 's {disfmarker} it 's a question both ofwhat the representation is and {disfmarker}Grad C: You mean , this {disfmarker} I guess I am gonna be standing up and drawing on the board .PhD F: OK ,yeah . So you should , definitely .Grad C: Um , so {disfmarker} so it definitely had that as a concept . So tha it has a single time - line ,PhD F: Mm - hmm .GradC: and then you can have lots of different sections , each of which have I Ds attached to it , and then you can refer from other sections to those I Ds , if you wantto . So that , um {disfmarker} so that you start with {disfmarker} with a time - line tag . \" Time - line \" . And then you have a bunch of times . I don't e I don'tremember exactly what my notation was ,PhD A: Oh , I remember seeing an example of this .Grad C: but it {disfmarker}PhD F: Right , right .PhD A: Yeah .GradC: Yeah , \" T equals one point three two \" , uh {disfmarker} And then I {disfmarker} I also had optional things like accuracy , and then \" ID equals T one , uh ,one seven \" . And then , {nonvocalsound} I also wanted to {disfmarker} to be i to be able to not specify specifically what the time was and just have a stamp.PhD F: Right .Grad C: Yeah , so these are arbitrary , assigned by a program , not {disfmarker} not by a user . So you have a whole bunch of those . And thensomewhere la further down you might have something like an utterance tag which has \" start equals T - seventeen , end equals T - eighteen \" . So what that 'ssaying is , we know it starts at this particular time . We don't know when it ends .PhD F: OK .Grad C: Right ? But it ends at this T - eighteen , which may besomewhere else . We say there 's another utterance . We don't know what the t time actually is but we know that it 's the same time as this end time .PhD A:Mmm .Grad C: You know , thirty - eight , whatever you want .PhD A: So you 're essentially defining a lattice .Grad C: OK . Yes , exactly .PhD A: Yeah .Grad C:And then , uh {disfmarker} and then these also have I Ds . Right ? So you could {disfmarker} you could have some sort of other {disfmarker} other tag later inthe file that would be something like , um , oh , I don't know , {comment} uh , {nonvocalsound} \" noise - type equals {nonvocalsound} door - slam \" . You know? And then , uh , {nonvocalsound} you could either say \" time equals a particular time - mark \" or you could do other sorts of references . So {disfmarker} or{disfmarker} or you might have a prosody {disfmarker} \" Prosody \" right ? D ? T ? D ? T ? T ?PhD F: It 's an O instead of an I , but the D is good .Grad C: Youlike the D ? That 's a good D .PhD F: Yeah .Grad C: Um , you know , so you could have some sort of type here , and then you could have , um {disfmarker} theutterance that it 's referring to could be U - seventeen or something like that .PhD F: OK . So , I mean , that seems {disfmarker} that seems g great for all of theencoding of things with time and ,Grad C: Oh , well .PhD F: um {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I guess my question is more , uh , what d what do you do with , say, a forced alignment ?PhD A: How - howPhD F: I mean you 've got all these phone labels , and what do you do if you {disfmarker} just conceptually , if you get ,um , transcriptions where the words are staying but the time boundaries are changing , cuz you 've got a new recognition output , or s sort of {disfmarker} what's the , um , sequence of going from the waveforms that stay the same , the transcripts that may or may not change , and then the utterance which {disfmarker}where the time boundaries that may or may not change {disfmarker} ?PhD A: Oh , that 's {disfmarker} That 's actually very nicely handled here because youcould {disfmarker} you could {disfmarker} all you 'd have to change is the , {vocalsound} um , time - stamps in the time - line without {disfmarker} without ,uh , changing the I Ds .PhD F: Um . And you 'd be able to propagate all of the {disfmarker} the information ?Grad C: Right . That 's , the who that 's why you dothat extra level of indirection . So that you can just change the time - line .PhD A: Except the time - line is gonna be huge . If you say {disfmarker}Grad C: Yes.PhD F: Yeah ,PhD A: suppose you have a phone - level alignment .PhD F: yeah , especially at the phone - level .PhD A: You 'd have {disfmarker} you 'd have{disfmarker}PhD F: The {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we have phone - level backtraces .Grad C: Yeah , this {disfmarker} I don't think I would do this for phone- level . I think for phone - level you want to use some sort of binary representationPhD F: Um {disfmarker}Grad C: because it 'll be too dense otherwise .PhD F:OK . So , if you were doing that and you had this sort of companion , uh , thing that gets called up for phone - level , uh , what would that look like ?PhD A:WhyGrad C: I would use just an existing {disfmarker} an existing way of doing it .PhD F: How would you {disfmarker} ?PhD A: Mmm . But {disfmarker} but whynot use it for phone - level ?PhD F: H hPhD A: It 's just a matter of {disfmarker} it 's just a matter of it being bigger . But if you have {disfmarker} you know ,barring memory limitations , or uh {disfmarker} I w I mean this is still the mGrad C: It 's parsing limitations . I don't want to have this text file that you have toread in the whole thing to do something very simple for .PhD A: Oh , no . You would use it only {pause} for {pause} purposes where you actually want the phone- level information , I 'd imagine .PhD F: So you could have some file that configures how much information you want in your {disfmarker} in your XML orsomething .Grad C: Right . I mean , you 'd {disfmarker} yPhD F: Um ,PhD A: You {disfmarker}Grad C: I {disfmarker} I am imagining you 'd have multipleversions of this depending on the information that you want .PhD F: cuz th it does get very bush with {disfmarker} Right .Grad C: Um , I 'm just {disfmarker}what I 'm wondering is whether {disfmarker} I think for word - level , this would be OK .PhD F: Yeah .Grad C: For word - level , it 's alright .PhD F: Yeah .Definitely .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Grad C: For lower than word - level , you 're talking about so much data that I just {disfmarker} I don't know . I don't know if that{disfmarker}PhD F: I mean , we actually have {disfmarker} So , one thing that Don is doing , is we 're {disfmarker} we 're running {disfmarker} For every frame, you get a pitch value ,PhD D: Lattices are big , too .PhD F: and not only one pitch value but different kinds of pitch valuesGrad C: Yeah , I mean , for somethinglike that I would use P - filePhD F: depending on {disfmarker}Grad C: or {disfmarker} or any frame - level stuff I would use P - file .PhD F: Meaning {disfmarker}?Grad C: Uh , that 's a {disfmarker} well , or something like it . It 's ICS uh , ICSI has a format for frame - level representation of features . Um .PhD F: OK . Thatyou could call {disfmarker} that you would tie into this representation with like an ID .Grad C: Right . Right . Or {disfmarker} or there 's a {disfmarker} there 's aparticular way in XML to refer to external resources .PhD F: And {disfmarker} OK .Grad C: So you would say \" refer to this external file \" . Um , so that externalfile wouldn't be in {disfmarker}PhD F: So that might {disfmarker} that might work .PhD D: But what {disfmarker} what 's the advantage of doing that versusjust putting it into this format ?Grad C: More compact , which I think is {disfmarker} is better .PhD D: Uh - huh .Grad C: I mean , if you did it at this{disfmarker}PhD F: I mean these are long meetings and with {disfmarker} for every frame ,Grad C: You don't want to do it with that {disfmarker} Anything atframe - level you had better encode binaryPhD F: um {disfmarker}Grad C: or it 's gonna be really painful .PhD A: Or you just compre I mean , I like text formats. Um , b you can always , uh , G - zip them , and , um , you know , c decompress them on the fly if y if space is really a concern .PhD D: Yeah , I was thi I wasthinking the advantage is that we can share this with other people .Grad C: Well , but if you 're talking about one per frame , you 're talking about gigabyte - sizefiles . You 're gonna actually run out of space in your filesystem for one file .PhD F: These are big files . These are really {disfmarker} I mean {disfmarker}GradC: Right ? Because you have a two - gigabyte limit on most O Ss .PhD A: Right , OK . I would say {disfmarker} OK , so frame - level is probably not a good idea .But for phone - level stuff it 's perfectly {disfmarker}PhD F: And th it 's {disfmarker}PhD A: Like phones , or syllables , or anything like that .PhD F: Phones areevery five frames though , so . Or something like that .PhD A: But {disfmarker} but {disfmarker} but most of the frames are actually not speech . So , you know, people don't {disfmarker} v Look at it , words times the average {disfmarker} The average number of phones in an English word is , I don't know , {comment}five maybe ?PhD F: Yeah , but we actually {disfmarker}PhD A: So , look at it , t number of words times five . That 's not {disfmarker} that not {disfmarker}PhD"}
{"doc_id":"doc_137","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Excellent . So um I sent you the agenda , it was on the {disfmarker} in the project documents . I don't know if you got a chance to just have alook at it . Anyway , it's {disfmarker} the meeting's gonna follow more or less the same structure as last time , so we'll go round each of you in turn and you cangive your presentations on what you've been up to . Um and at the end of that we need to discuss what you've come up with , so that we can make a decision onthe key remote control concepts , so that's {disfmarker} we need to know about the components' properties , materials , the user interface and any trends thatthe Marketing Expert has been watching .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Right .Project Manager: Okay . Um , do you wanna start again ?Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Okay .Project Manager: Let me {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Right s {vocalsound}Project Manager: we've got forty minutes .IndustrialDesigner: so I haven't made a PowerPoint presentation ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} You haven't made a PowerPoint , okay .Industrial Designer: yeah , I Ithought I'll use the whiteboard instead .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Um mm , {vocalsound}Project Manager: Let's hope the pen holds out .{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: okay , so basically I'll start off by {disfmarker} uh {vocalsound} I thought I'll use the whiteboardbecause we have so many different options and what we can do is that we can start um uh rubbing off the options that we do not require and putting in theoptions that uh are m or highlighting or underlining them or something like that .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Okay , so uh I'll start again witha brief introduction to {disfmarker} connect that anyway {disfmarker} brief introduction to the insides of a remote controlProject Manager: Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: and uh then we can probably uh discuss the various components . Yeah . Okay , so w what you see here is {disfmarker} so {vocalsound} this is theoutside of the remote , right ? If you open it , you have a circuit board here , right ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: and this is the chip that I wastalking about last time . This basically sends information to a tr uh transistor here , which then uh sends the information to an L_E_D_ device here . If you flip theprinted circuit board , and this is th the most important point here ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: uh {vocalsound} everything else is kind of{disfmarker} Okay , so if you flip the circuit board , this is what it looks like . So you see for example a particular button attaches to a particular place on theP_C_B_ and uhProject Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: on pressing this button I {disfmarker} a circuit completes , the information goes to the chip , which issomewhere here and the chip that tra then translates the code into an infra infrared radiation , which goes goes out through there . {vocalsound} So uh theimportant point that I read over the website was uh that the configurations of these printed circuit circuit boards uh are quite cheap to make , you can ge getthem printed as you want to ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: so w we can have a configuration um irrespective of the cost , the way we want tohave . Right ? So that's the important point here ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: so these are the different options that we have . Okay . So thebatteries , I'll start with the battery , right ?Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: So they can be simple which is like uh the normal batteries in uh our{disfmarker} uh the cells , yeah ?Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Uh thes these are the kind {disfmarker} different kind of batteries that thecompany makes , right ? So . And dynamos . Um {vocalsound}Marketing: Does that mean like a wind-up one ?Industrial Designer: yeah , yeah .Marketing:{vocalsound} A wind-up remote .Industrial Designer: So uh I don't know if {disfmarker} even if you want to consider this ,User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: but these are the different things that the company makes , so th they'll they'll {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: since uhthey'll come internally from the company , they'll be eas uh cheaper , uh all these options .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: So {vocalsound} thethird one is uh the kinetic energy ones .Marketing: You could make the hand dynamo into an exercise bike , and then people could exercise whilst watching T_V_.Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: And charging their remote ,Marketing: Yeah , and stop worrying about the whole R_S_I_ from the remote thing ,'cause that's just {disfmarker}Project Manager: yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yeah , it's a good option.Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} So what was what was this k kaIndustrial Designer: The the kinetic energy one is uh that e uh uhthey are usually modern watches , since our hand keeps moving , it keeps the watch ticking .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: Uh yeah .IndustrialDesigner: But I dunno i if it is a good idea for a remote control , because it'll just lie there for a long while sometimes .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . For a remote ,'cause you {disfmarker} Yeah .Industrial Designer: But as soon as you pick it up it moves and then again it uh re recharges or something .User Interface:Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: And the fourth option is the solar cells , which are also {vocalsound} made by the company .Marketing:Yay .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Environment friendly . Okay {vocalsound} um so I'll list things and then we can come back and discusswhat what we think from uh everybody's perspective .Project Manager: Yeah {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: There are different cases that can be provided .They can be {disfmarker} basically the shape of the cases , they can be flat , they can be curved with uh one-sided curved and one side flat ,Project Manager:Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: and they can be curved with {disfmarker} on both the sides .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}These are the three options , right ? Um {vocalsound} {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} Um you mean this would be like the the overall shape of theremote control , yeah ,Industrial Designer: Yeah , would it be flat on both the sides , would be curved from one side , or whatever {disfmarker}{vocalsound}User Interface: mm-hmm . Yeah , mm-hmm , mm-hmm .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Mm-hmm mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: uhthere were different kind of supplements available , um like it can be in plastic , rubber , wood , or titanium , right ?Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Okay .IndustrialDesigner: Wo wo wood .Marketing: Did you say wool ?Project Manager: Wood , wood .Marketing: Wood . Oh right .User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Yeah . {vocalsound} Not wool . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} .Project Manager: {vocalsound} A fluffy remote . {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah, you'll understand why when we get to my presenta {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: Oh really ? {vocalsound} Okay . Um the {disfmarker}Project Manager:Huh .Industrial Designer: so uh we can use even um {vocalsound} a certain titanium is also used uh in the company to make uh {vocalsound} uh some spacedesign equipment , so it's kind of um uh it'll be probably nicer to use , because it relates to the overall image of the company , but uh it cannot be used on adouble curved surface . If we choose this , we cannot use titanium . For for these two we can use titanium , wood , rubber , or plastic .Project Manager: Mm.Industrial Designer: Yeah ?Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Uh okay , the interface options now . So {vocalsound} we can have push-buttons ,like most remotes do and our company is an expert in making push-buttons .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:Ooh . Uh we can have scroll wheels like the ones on um uh mouse pointers uh uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Sony .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: SonyEricsson mobile phones has it .Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah , something like that .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} So , and they have{disfmarker} they can even have an an integrated uh push-button inside the scrolling thing .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: The scroll plus push . Sothis is something that has been recently developed by the company , um {vocalsound} in the last decade , so not too recent . And L_C_D_s , we can haveL_C_D_s . So these two are recent and and this is q quite old .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} The various electronic options areum uh {vocalsound} so th this concerns firs first of all the the chips I I showed you at uh {disfmarker} so there's there's a chip behind this one , right ? TheP_C_B_ is uh inexpensive , so we can put put in uh whatever we want , but the various integrated circuit options are , we have either a simple oneProjectManager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: or a regular or advanced . And uh the price goes up as we go down , obviously .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .IndustrialDesigner: Um {vocalsound} okay , so the good thing about uh wh wh why why we would want to use advanced u why we might want to use advanced is thatL_C_D_s can only come with the advanced chip .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Um the {disfmarker} we need regular or advanced for uh scrollwheels . Right ? Um {vocalsound} and the chip basically includes the infra infrared sender .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Uh besidesthis in electr under electronics uh also the company has started making a sample sender , which is {vocalsound} {disfmarker} did not explained what i what itwas , but I'm guessing that uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker} so they have a sample sender and a sample speaker . So I'm guessing that uh the sample speaker isprobably something like um uh you know , as soon as you press a button , it it mm uh give gives you feedback , one five or whatever . Yeah , on .ProjectManager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Um {vocalsound} and uh I dunno whether sample sender sender has to do something with voice recognition or not , butanyway .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: So , these are the different options that we have . Okay , so {vocalsound} th that's that's basically{disfmarker} now now uh I think that uh we can integrate um {vocalsound} uh you know , uh the user interface uh and uh the marketing things in that , keep uhtaking out things from this and uh underlining things that are important , yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Excellent . Do you wanna stay somewhere near the board , so that if we need to {disfmarker}User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah , sure . Sure. Yeah .Project Manager: you can sit down , but just {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we might need you to leap up .User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay .ProjectManager: What are you , PowerPoint , or {disfmarker}User Interface: Um I have some PowerPoint , yeah .Industrial Designer: Right .Project Manager: Okay"}
{"doc_id":"doc_138","qid":"","text":"User Interface: .. .Project Manager: Okay . So , this is uh first meeting of this design project . Um and I um like to show you the agenda for the meeting , I don'tknow if it was sent round to all of you .User Interface: Mm , yeah .Project Manager: Maybe not . Anyway ,User Interface: I didn't receive it yet {vocalsound}.Project Manager: this is the the plan for today's meeting is um firstly just to introduce the project briefly , um although I'm sure you've actually got some of theinformation already . Then the main purpose is to {disfmarker} so that we get to know each other a little bit more .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: Um then we want to practice using some of the tools that we'll be using during the the course of the design project and the meetings , um specificallythe whiteboard over there . Um then we need to go through the specifics of our project plan um and discuss {disfmarker} come up with some preliminary ideasabout it . And then that's it . So we've got twenty five minutes to do that , that's until eleven twenty five .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {gap} so shProjectManager: S so any any questions ?Industrial Designer: {gap} {vocalsound} {gap} .Project Manager: Is i {gap} not at this point .User Interface: Not at this point.Project Manager: So this is our project . What we're aiming to do is to create a new remote control for a television . Um we want it to be something original ,something trendy and also something user friendly , so it has to be quite intuitive that people are able to use this product . The method that we're going to use tocomplete the project , that has three components as such . There's the functional design of the the remote control . We're going {disfmarker} the way we'll dothat I think is to to work individually initially and then come together for meetings to to work on that . Um similarly with the conceptual design , we'll start off byworking individually with our own expertise on our own laptops and then we'll bring what we've done together . Um and then the detailed design will come afterthat . We'll pull it all together .Industrial Designer: I'm a bit confused about uh what's the difference between the functional design and conceptual design ? Uh i isit just uh more detail , uh as I understand it ?Project Manager: I think it {disfmarker} th w we're talking the the functional design is more your um area of thingswhere you'll be {disfmarker} we want to look at what functions we need in the remote controlIndustrial Designer: Right .Project Manager: and what what specificthings it it has to doIndustrial Designer: {gap}Project Manager: but the conceptual design is um perhaps bigger than that and includes the {disfmarker} howpeople are going to use it and and that kind of thing .Industrial Designer: How how it will be done . So whe where do we identify the components of our uhproduct ? Uh I think it's it's in the conceptual design phase that we identify the {disfmarker} it's in the conceptual design phase that we identify the componentsof our product ?Project Manager: Um I think we'll we'll start that initially with the functional design already but thenIndustrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager:{disfmarker} yeah . Okay , so that's just a brief overview of the p the the project itself . Um what I'd like us to do now is simultaneously introduce ourselves andstart using some of the tools that we're using for {vocalsound} for the project , specifically the whiteboard .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: So eachperson in turn , I'd like us to go up to the whiteboard , the pen's just underneath it there and draw your favourite animal and then tell everyone what the f yourfavourite characteristics of that animal are and while you're doing that tell us your name , what your role is and perhaps how your animal relates to the role thatyou're taking in this project . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Why are you looking at me ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Would you like to go first ? {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Do I have a choice ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: Okay . Ooh ooh , things falling everywhere .Project Manager: Oh , yeah ,Marketing: Right , okay .Project Manager: p put them in pockets.Marketing: Cool . Okay .Project Manager: You don't have to hurry , we've got plenty of time .Marketing: So , my name's Cat and I'm really not very good at thiswhole drawing malarkeyIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: so um {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:Okay .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: It's got no eyes .Marketing: Oh , good point . Ah , the eyes always ruin it .Right . Okay , what do {gap} it's eyes like ? Okay , cool . Um this is a rabbit . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Ithought it might be a cat . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah well origi uh at first I thought it was going to be cat . {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah , I don't think it's furry enough , so we'll make it a fluffy rabbit .User Interface: Yeah nowI now I understand now , yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah I can see by the ears .User Interface: Yeah.Marketing: Okay , right , it's a fluffy rabbit , blue .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Rabbits don't come in blue but you know .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: Um okay and I like it because it's small {vocalsound} and it's fluffy .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {gap}ProjectManager: Mm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: And one day you'll be able to getical genetically modify them and theywill come in pink .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Ah . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay ?IndustrialDesigner: Mm .Project Manager: Excellent , and what's your what's your role within the team ?Marketing: I am the um {disfmarker} I need my notebook , mmooh {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: top banana . Thank you . Okay , cool , I am the Marketing Expert {vocalsound} um so like I'mgonna be doing the {disfmarker} apparently according to the little guy in the computer that knows everything {disfmarker} the user g requirements specificationof the functional design , um trend watching in the conceptual design and product evad-valuation in the detailed design {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm . Okay .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: um so yeah .Industrial Designer: 'Kay .Project Manager: And moreabout yourself , you're from ?Marketing: Um I'm from Leicester ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: um second year . Um what else do you want to know?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: I like sports {vocalsound} um yeah , aerobics , kickboxing , spinningProject Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: um{vocalsound} and uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: But not with rabbits . {vocalsound}Marketing: not with rabbits , no no .Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing:And vets , I like vets as well .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} And yeah um and I like cocktails , especially pink ones .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Cool .Marketing: Okay ? Cool . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Excellent , to match the rabbit . {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound} {vocalsound} Okay . Um so my name is Maarika . Where's the pen ? Okay .Project Manager: There's a {disfmarker} an {disfmarker} if you havenot enough room there's an eraser there and you can rub it off .User Interface: Yeah , well , or I can make it smaller . {vocalsound} Uh so um um I'm theInterface Designer in this project and my favourite animal , I m I mean I'm not so sure because I'm not so so very um {vocalsound} familiar with all kinds ofanimals , but I do like dogs .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Oh , sorry , maybe I should have {disfmarker} shouldn't have said it beforehandbutIndustrial Designer: Mm .User Interface: mm {vocalsound} hmm .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: Um well , there are different kinds of dogs , but okay um .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} That's not bad at all .Project Manager: Ah it looks like a dog .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yep .Marketing:Is a bit more impressive than my rabbit .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: I think it needs four legs if it's gonna walk though .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah , maybe it has some colourful patches , yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} {gap} the other legsare on the other side .User Interface: Um yeah and I do like dogs because they are good friends to people and they are loyal . Mm , well that's compared to someother animals like cats . Um they're really much more fun because they are not so independent .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Um yeah maybemaybe the fact that they protect their home as well , yeah . Um what it has to do with with my role in the project is hard to say .Project Manager:{vocalsound}User Interface: Uh I hope to be loyal to the projectIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: and not to n not to umlet people doing similar projects know the details of our project or something , {vocalsound} yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: And wherewhere are you from ?User Interface: I'm from EstoniaProject Manager: Estonia .User Interface: uh , yep . Um so is there anything else you'd like to know ? Oh ,right , my roles ,Industrial Designer: {gap} .User Interface: um so um in the different um {vocalsound} stages of the design , so at first I will be responsible forum for {vocalsound} yeah , designing the technical functions of the um {vocalsound} um of the remote control uh then in the in the conceptual design stage Ineed to um come up with uh interface concept and then in the last um stage I will be responsible for the int infa for the user interface design .Industrial Designer:{gap} .User Interface: {vocalsound} Okay , that's it . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Thank you . Okay {vocalsound} um {vocalsound} I'll do some{disfmarker} I'll rub the featuresProject Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and let the drawing stay . {vocalsound} 'Kay um my name is Gaurav . Um{vocalsound} my favourite animal {disfmarker} one of my favourite animals is a cow . I've got no idea how to draw a cow .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Good luck .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Uh this is going to be {disfmarker}Marketing: They're not justlike a big round body and then some really skinny legsIndustrial Designer: Yeah , that'll do .Marketing: and then just some horns .Industrial Designer: Okay , solet let me draw the body first .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: Big , round body , really skinny legs {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and they've got a long tailMarketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and a long face ."}
{"doc_id":"doc_139","qid":"","text":"PhD F: OK .Professor B: Uh . Somebody else should run this . I 'm sick of being the one to sort of go through and say , \" Well , what do you think about this ? \"You wanna {disfmarker} ?PhD D: Yeah .PhD F: Should we take turns ? You want me to run it today ?Professor B: Yeah . Why don't you run it today ? OK .PhD F:OK . OK . Um . Let 's see , maybe we should just get a list of items {disfmarker} things that we should talk about . Um , I guess there 's the usual {pause}updates , everybody going around and saying , uh , you know , what they 're working on , the things that happened the last week . But aside from that is thereanything in particular that anybody wants to bring upPhD D: Mmm .PhD F: for today ? No ? OK . So why don't we just around and people can give updates .PhDE: Oh .PhD F: Uh , do you want to start , Stephane ?PhD C: Alright . Um . Well , the first thing maybe is that the p Eurospeech paper is , uh , accepted . Um .Yeah .PhD F: This is {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what do you , uh {disfmarker} what 's in the paper there ?PhD C: So it 's the paper that describe basicallythe , um , system that were proposed for the {pause} Aurora .PhD F: The one that we s we submitted the last round ?PhD C: Right , yeah .PhD D: Yeah .PhD F:Uh - huh .PhD C: Um {disfmarker} Yeah . So and the , fff {comment} comments seems {disfmarker} from the reviewer are good . So .PhD F: Hmm .PhD C:Mmm {disfmarker} Yeah .PhD F: Where {disfmarker} where 's it gonna be this year ?PhD C: It 's , uh , Aalborg in Denmark . And it 's ,PhD F: Oh , OK .PhD C:yeah , September .PhD F: Mmm .PhD C: Mmm {disfmarker} Yeah . Then , uh , whhh well , I 've been working on {disfmarker} on t mainly on on - linenormalization this week . Uh , I 've been trying different {disfmarker} slightly {disfmarker} slightly different approaches . Um , the first thing is trying to play alittle bit again with the , um , time constant . Uh , second thing is , uh , the training of , uh , on - line normalization with two different means , one mean for thesilence and one for the speech . Um , and so I have two recursions which are controlled by the , um , probability of the voice activity detector . Mmm . Thisactually don't s doesn't seem to help , although it doesn't hurt . So . But {disfmarker} well , both {pause} on - line normalization approach seems equivalent .Well , they {disfmarker}PhD F: Are the means pretty different {pause} for the two ?PhD C: Yeah . They can be very different . Yeah . Mm - hmm .PhD F: Hmm.Professor B: So do you maybe make errors in different places ? Different kinds of errors ?PhD C: I didn't look , uh , more closely . Um . It might be , yeah . Mm -hmm . Um . Well , eh , there is one thing that we can observe , is that the mean are more different for {disfmarker} for C - zero and C - one than for the othercoefficients . And {disfmarker} Yeah . And {disfmarker} Yeah , it {disfmarker} the C - one is {disfmarker} There are strange {disfmarker} strange thinghappening with C - one , is that when you have different kind of noises , the mean for the {disfmarker} the silence portion is {disfmarker} can be different . And{disfmarker}PhD F: Hmm .PhD C: So when you look at the trajectory of C - one , it 's {disfmarker} has a strange shape and I was expecting th the s that thesetwo mean helps , especially because of the {disfmarker} the strange C - ze C - one shape , uh , which can {disfmarker} like , yo you can have , um , a trajectoryfor the speech and then when you are in the silence it goes somewhere , but if the noise is different it goes somewhere else .PhD F: Oh .PhD C: So which wouldmean that if we estimate the mean based on all the signal , even though we have frame dropping , but we don't frame ev uh , drop everything , but {disfmarker}uh , this can {disfmarker} hurts the estimation of the mean for speech , and {disfmarker} Mmm . {comment} But I still have to investigate further , I think . Um, a third thing is , um , {vocalsound} that instead of t having a fixed time constant , I try to have a time constant that 's smaller at the beginning of theutterances to adapt more quickly to the r something that 's closer to the right mean . T t um {disfmarker} Yeah . And then this time constant increases and Ihave a threshold that {disfmarker}Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD C: well , if it 's higher than a certain threshold , I keep it to this threshold to still , uh , adapt ,um , the mean when {disfmarker} {vocalsound} if the utterance is , uh , long enough to {disfmarker} to continue to adapt after , like , one secondProfessor B:Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .PhD C: or {disfmarker} Mmm . Uh , well , this doesn't help neither , but this doesn't hurt . So , well . It seems pretty {disfmarker}PhDF: Wasn't there some experiment you were gonna try where you did something differently for each , um , {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker} I don't know whether itwas each mel band or each , uh , um , FFT bin or someth There was something you were gonna {disfmarker} uh , {comment} some parameter you were gonnavary depending on the frequency . I don't know if that was {disfmarker}PhD C: I guess it was {disfmarker} I don't know . No . u Maybe it 's this {disfmarker}this idea of having different {pause} on - line normalization , um , tunings for the different MFCC 's .PhD F: For each , uh {disfmarker}Professor B: Mm - hmm.PhD C: But {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .PhD F: Yeah . I {disfmarker} I thought , Morgan , you brought it up a couple meetings ago . And then it was somethingabout , uh , some and then somebody said \" yeah , it does seem like , you know , C - zero is the one that 's , you know , the major one \" or , uh , s I can'tremember exactly what it was now .PhD C: Mmm . Yeah . There {disfmarker} uh , actually , yeah . S um , it 's very important to normalize C - zero and {pause}much less to normalize the other coefficients . And , um , actu uh , well , at least with the current on - line normalization scheme . And we {disfmarker} I think ,we {vocalsound} kind of know that normalizing C - one doesn't help with the current scheme . And {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} Yeah . In my idea , I{disfmarker} I was thinking that the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the reason is maybe because of these funny things that happen between speech and silencewhich have different means . Um {disfmarker} Yeah . But maybe it 's not so {disfmarker} {vocalsound} so easy to {disfmarker}Professor B: Um , I I reallywould like to suggest looking , um , a little bit at the kinds of errors . I know you can get lost in that and go forever and not see too much , but {disfmarker}{vocalsound} sometimes ,PhD C: Mm - hmm .Professor B: but {disfmarker} but , um , just seeing that each of these things didn't make things better may not beenough . It may be that they 're making them better in some ways and worse in others ,PhD C: Yeah . Mm - hmm .Professor B: or increasing insertions anddecreasing deletions , or {disfmarker} or , um , um , you know , helping with noisy case but hurting in quiet case . And if you saw that then maybe you{disfmarker} it would {disfmarker} {vocalsound} something would occur to you of how to deal with that .PhD C: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .PhD D: Hmm .PhD C:Alright . Mmm . Yeah . W um , So that 's it , I think , for the on - line normalization . Um {disfmarker} Yeah . I 've been playing a little bit with some kind ofthresholding , and , mmm , as a first experiment , I think I Yeah . Well , what I did is t is to take , um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} to measure the average{disfmarker} no , the maximum energy of s each utterance and then put a threshold {disfmarker} Well , this for each mel band . Then put a threshold that 'sfifteen DB below {disfmarker} well , uh , a couple of DB below this maximum ,Professor B: Mm - hmm . Mmm .PhD C: and {disfmarker} Actually it was not athreshold , it was just adding noise .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD C: So I was adding a white noise energy , uh , that 's fifteen DB below the maximum energy ofthe utterance . And {disfmarker} Yeah . When we look at {disfmarker} at the , um , MFCC that result from this , they are {pause} a lot more smoother . Um ,when we compare , like , a channel zero and channel one utterance {disfmarker} um , so a clean and , uh , the same noisy utterance {disfmarker} well , there isalmost no difference between the cepstral coefficients of the two .PhD F: Hmm .PhD C: Um . And {disfmarker} Yeah . And the result that we have in term ofspeech recognition , actually it 's not {disfmarker} it 's not worse , it 's not better neither , but it 's , um , kind of surprising that it 's not worsePhD F: Hmm .PhDC: because basically you add noise that 's fifteen DB {disfmarker} just fifteen DB below {pause} the maximum energy .Grad A: Sorry .PhD C: And at least{disfmarker}PhD F: So why does that m {pause} smooth things out ? I don't {disfmarker} I don't understand that .Professor B: Well , there 's less difference .Right ?PhD C: It 's {disfmarker} I think , it 's whitening {disfmarker} This {disfmarker} the portion that are more silent ,Professor B: Cuz it 's {disfmarker}PhDC: as you add a white noise that are {disfmarker} has a very high energy , it whitens everythingPhD F: Huh . Oh , OK .PhD C: and {disfmarker} and the high -energy portion of the speech don't get much affected anyway by the other noise . And as the noise you add is the same is {disfmarker} {pause} the shape , it 'salso the same .PhD F: Hmm .Professor B: Yeah .PhD C: So they have {disfmarker} the trajectory are very , very similar . And {disfmarker} and{disfmarker}Professor B: So , I mean , again , if you trained in one kind of noise and tested in the same kind of noise , you 'd {disfmarker} you know , givenenough training data you don't do b do badly . The reason that we d that we have the problems we have is because {pause} it 's different in training and test .Even if {vocalsound} the general kind is the same , the exact instances are different . And {disfmarker} andPhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor B: so when you whitenit , then it 's like you {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the only noise {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} to first order , the only th noise that you have is white noise andyou 've added the same thing to training and test .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor B: So it 's ,PhD F: Hmm .Professor B: uh {disfmarker}PhD F: So would that{pause} be similar to , like , doing the smoothing , then , over time or {disfmarker} ?PhD C: Mm - hmm .Professor B: Well , it 's a kind of smoothing ,PhD C: Ithink it 's {disfmarker} I think it 's different .Professor B: but {disfmarker}PhD C: It 's {disfmarker} it 's something that {disfmarker} yeah , that affects more orless the silence portions because {disfmarker}PhD F: Mm - hmm .PhD C: Well , anyway , the sp the portion of speech that ha have high energy are not ch a lotaffected by the noises in the Aurora database .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD C: If {disfmarker} if you compare th the two shut channels of SpeechDat - Car duringspeech portion , it 's n n n the MFCC are not very different . They are very different when energy 's lower , like during fricatives or during speech pauses . And,Professor B: Yeah , but you 're still getting more recognition errors ,PhD C: uh {disfmarker}Professor B: which means {vocalsound} that the differences , eventhough they look like they 're not so big , {vocalsound} are {disfmarker} are hurting your recognition .PhD C: YeProfessor B: Right ?PhD C: Yeah . So it distort"}
{"doc_id":"doc_140","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: All hooked up . {vocalsound} Okay , so now we are here at the functional design meeting . Um {vocalsound} hopefully this meeting I'll be doinga little bit less talking than I did last time 'cause this is when you get to show us what you've been doing individually . The agenda for the meeting , I put it in thesh shared documents folder . I don't know if that meant that you could see it or not .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Did anyone ?IndustrialDesigner: Mm .User Interface: No .Project Manager: No . Oh well . Um I'll try and do that for the next meeting as well so if you check in there , there's a sharedproject documents folder . Um and it should be in there .User Interface: Mm . Um um wi on on a what ? Oh project project documents , yeah , yeah , yeah , okay.Project Manager: Project documents , yeah . So I'll put it in there .User Interface: Oh okay , yeah .Project Manager: Is it best if I send you an email maybe , tolet you know it's there ?User Interface: Yes , I think so .Project Manager: Yep . I'll do that next time . Um {vocalsound} I'll act as secretary for this meeting andjust take minutes as we go through , and then I'll send them to you after the meeting . The main the main focus of this meeting is your presentations that you'vebeen preparing during the time , so we'll go through each of you one by one . Um then we need to briefly discuss the new project requirements that were sent tous . I just sentUser Interface: Yeah , the last minute , yeah ,Project Manager: at the last minute , I'm sorry about that ,User Interface: yeah .Project Manager:but we can see how that affects what you were you were doing .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Um and then we need to , by the end of the meetingcome to some kind of decision on who our target group's going to be and what the functions of the remote control {disfmarker} that's the the main goal is tocome up with those two things , target group and functions of the remote control . And we've got forty minutes to do that in . So I would say{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: You said uh targ target groups ,Project Manager: yeah ?Industrial Designer: what does that mean ?Project Manager: As uh whoit is that we're going to be trying to sell this thing to ,User Interface: {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Uh okay , 'kay .Project Manager: yeah.Industrial Designer: So are {disfmarker}Project Manager: So we need to {disfmarker} yeah , we need to have a fairly defined group that that we want to focusonIndustrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: and then look at the functions um of the dem remote control itself . So with that I think it's best if I hand over toyou . Does anyone have a preference for going first ?Industrial Designer: Alright . {vocalsound} I can go first ,Project Manager: You wanna go first ?IndustrialDesigner: yeah .User Interface: Okay . Hmm .Project Manager: Okay , so we need to unplug my laptop and plug in yours .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: I assume we just pull it out ?User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Right . Um {vocalsound} so ffrom the {disfmarker}Project Manager: Just before you start , to make it easier , would you three mind emailing me your presentations ? Once we {disfmarker}you don't have to do it now but when {disfmarker} once you go back ,User Interface: Okay , yeah , afterwards , yeah , okay .Industrial Designer: Right sure.Project Manager: just so that I don't have to scribble everything down .Industrial Designer: Uh okay . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} So n uh with uh with regard tothe {vocalsound} uh working design of this uh uh remote control uh I've identified um {vocalsound} a few basic uh components of the remote and uh{vocalsound} se uh from the design , functional design perspective um w I c we can now uh know wha what exactly the components are and how how they worktogether with each other . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} So {vocalsound} {vocalsound} this is the method that uh I'll mostly be following in my um {vocalsound}in my uh role . Um the identification of the components , uh and uh since since I'm dealing only with the technical aspects , I would need feedback from themarketing person uh and {vocalsound} uh from the user interface person . Uh we'll then integrate this into the product design at a technical levelProjectManager: Hmm .Industrial Designer: and uh basically update and come up with a new design , so it's a cyclical process . {vocalsound} Okay , so {vocalsound}these were the basic findings from today . The last three bullets have been integrated from uh the last minute uh email . Uh I just quickly jotted them down . Um{vocalsound} so basically uh the {disfmarker} as I told you the identification of how the remote control works and what are the various parts to it uh and whatare the different processes um {vocalsound} and how the parts uh communicate with each other . Um {vocalsound} okay , so e the mee email said that teletextis now outdated , so we need to do away with that functionality of the remote control . Um also uh the remote control should be used only for television , becauseincorporating other features um makes it more comp complex . And the reason why teletext is outdated because uh of internet and uh the availability of internetover television . How however , our our remote control would only be dealing uh with the {vocalsound} the use for television , {vocalsound} in order to keepthings simple . Um {vocalsound} also the management wants that um our design should be unique uh it {disfmarker} so {vocalsound} it should incorporate umcolour and the slogan uh that our company um has it as its standard . {vocalsound} Okay , so he he here is a functional overview of the remote control . Um{vocalsound} there's basically an energy source at the heart uh which feeds into the chip and the user interface . The user interf interface communicates with thechip , so {vocalsound} I'll basic go over to the {disfmarker} Okay . {vocalsound} So {vocalsound} if uh if this is our energy source and this is a cell , uh itcommunicates {disfmarker} uh it feeds energy into the into the chip , which basically finds out h uh how how to do everything . There is a user interface here .{vocalsound} So whe when the user presses a button , it feeds into the chip and the chip then generates a response and takes the response to an infraredterminal , um which then {disfmarker} so the output of the chip is an infrared bit code , which is then communicated {vocalsound} to the remote site , which hhas an infrared receiver . Um the there can be uh a bulb here or something to indicate whether the remote is on or communicating . Um so these are the essentso a all the functionality of the remote control , whatever new functions that we need to do , um make the chip more complicated uh and bigger , basically.Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound} Um so {vocalsound} i in my personal preferences um {vocalsound} I'mhoping that we can ke keep the design as simple and clear as possible . This would uh help us uh to upgrade our technology at a future point of time . And uh alsoif we can incorporate uh the latest features in our chip design , so that our um {vocalsound} uh remote control does not become outdated soon and it'scompatible with mot most uh televisions . {vocalsound} That's about it . {vocalsound} So anything that you would like to know or {vocalsound}{disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: {vocalsound} Thanks .Project Manager: Do you have any um i idea about costs at this point ?IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} No , I don't have any idea about what each component costs .Project Manager: {vocalsound} BrIndustrial Designer: Um yeah .ProjectManager: Okay . 'Cause that's something to consider , I guess , if we're if we're using more advanced technology , it might increase the price .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah . Certainly , yeah . So so tha yeah , {vocalsound} we definitely need to operate within our constraints ,Project Manager: Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: but um {vocalsound} unfortunately I I do not have any data , so uh I just identified the functional components for that .Project Manager: That's fine .Are there any more questions , or shall we just skip straight to the next one and then we can discuss all of them together at the end ?User Interface:{vocalsound} I think we need like some general discussion at the end probably .Industrial Designer: Yeah , okay .Project Manager: Yeah , I think that will do .Okay , so do you want to {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah . Yeah , I think since since we were discussing some um design issues then I I I would like to continue{disfmarker}Project Manager: Yes , shall shall we pull this up ?User Interface: okay , yeah .Project Manager: I think that has to come out of there .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Mm 'kay .User Interface: {vocalsound} Thanks .Project Manager: Yeah , I thought those last minutethings , they're gonna hit you the worst . {vocalsound}User Interface: Oh i {vocalsound} Okay , I hope {disfmarker} wait . Should it just {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: I it'll take some time .Project Manager: It ta takes a little {disfmarker} Oh , and have you {disfmarker}User Interface: There's just nothing .ProjectManager: you need to then also press on yours , function F_ eight ,User Interface: Oh right , right , right , um {disfmarker}Project Manager: so the blue functionkey at the bottom and F_ eight .User Interface: Okay . NothinIndustrial Designer: Oh , there it is , yeah .User Interface: okay , something is coming up .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Now it's coming ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} It'll come up , it {disfmarker} um uh no signal .Project Manager: computer no signal.User Interface: No signal ? Why ?Project Manager: Maybe again ?Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah , it says something now ,User Interface: Oh . My my computerwent blank now .Industrial Designer: adjusting {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay , adjusting .User Interface: Adjusting . But {vocalsound} I don't seeanythingIndustrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: There we go , there we go .User Interface: I don't see anything on my computer now .Industrial Designer:Oh , that's strange .Project Manager: Oh , if you press if you press function and that againUser Interface: This is the problem , but {disfmarker}Project Manager:there's there's usually three modes , one where it's only here , one where it's only there , and one where it's both .Industrial Designer: Okay .User Interface: Um{gap} .Industrial Designer: And one more time .Project Manager: Okay , so one more time .User Interface: Uh now it's {disfmarker} okay . No ? No .IndustrialDesigner: Mm .Project Manager: Should {disfmarker} yeah just wait for a moment , adjusting .User Interface: Oh okay .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay.User Interface: Okay , that's fine , that's good . Okay , let's start from the beginning . So I'm going to speak about technical functions design uh just like some{vocalsound} some first issues that came up . Um 'kay , so the method I was um adopting at this point , it's not um for the for the whole um period of the um{vocalsound} all the project but it's just at th at this very moment .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Um uh my method was um to look at um other"}
{"doc_id":"doc_141","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Hello .Marketing: Hey guys .User Interface: Hi .Industrial Designer: Hi .Project Manager: Hi .Industrial Designer: I see my bunny is still standing.Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: No one drawing it .Project Manager: It's too beautiful .User Interface: Yeah , true .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Uh I figured uh that much . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Too wicked .User Interface: Mm .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Project Manager: A minute please , my uh laptop is uh {disfmarker} oh , there it is , thank you . So welcome back . {vocalsound} At the functionaldesign meeting um the plan is uh that uh each one of you , so not me but only you uh will uh present uh the the things you worked on uh the last uh half hour . Iwill uh take minutes and will put uh the minutes that I have uh at the end of the session in the shared folder . {vocalsound} Also the minutes of the previoussession are also in the shared folder now , so you can read that uh now or afterwards . Um {vocalsound} uh I had an email from the from the managementboardMarketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: uh , I don't know if you a al also uh received it , but there were four points uh which uh I think are very important. First one is uh they think that uh teletext teletext becomes outdated uh and internet will be the the main uh focus . {vocalsound} Uh second one is alsoimportant uh , because it's one of the discussion points of the previous session . Uh the remote control shou should onl only be used for the television , so it uhnot gonna it's not gonna be a multi-purpose remote control , so uh that's one thing to keep in mind .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Uh second , and I think that's important for the Marketing uh Expert , uh the current uh customers uh are in the age group group of uh forty years andolder , but with this uh new remote uh they uh will uh {disfmarker} would like to reach uh a group uh younger than uh forty . Uh and uh I think to keep in mind ,but not really uh for now is that they uh want the the the slogan and the and the logo uh to uh to be recognised more in the remote .Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: So , we have uh forty minutes , so I think uh not more than ten minutes uh uh per presentation uh each , and please uh use uh allthe the the facilities so that you have either SMARTboards , the the Word files , what you uh {disfmarker} whatever you want . So uh Tim , can you start ? Yeah?Marketing: Okay . {vocalsound} 'Kay , welcome . I have some uh new findings on uh Marketing Expert level ,User Interface: Mm-hmm .Marketing: which I willshow you . {vocalsound} The method I used was um giving orders to our usability lab uh to do a questionnaire . Um {vocalsound} one hundred respondents wereinvolved and my marketing uh department generated a report with a lot of results . Um , these were a couple of findings , first page of three . Um , we have threeaudiences of {disfmarker} two audiences , {vocalsound} I'm sorry . Uh the first one , this scale , from sixteen to forty five {gap} age . Uh the second one is fromsixty four {disfmarker} uh forty six to sixty five . Um , as you can see here , the market share for the first audience is about sixty percent {disfmarker} um sixtyfive . Uh second audience audience is uh thirty five percent . Mm {vocalsound} and some interests from the from the age groups , uh it seems like the youngusers of remote controls really like the fancy uh new technology stuff , like uh an L_C_D_ screen on the remote control , um speech recognition . I don't thinkthat's uh really appropriate . Um , {vocalsound} and when you see uh the audience , the age is going up uh {disfmarker} Yeah , they don't really want itanymore , at least the new technologies . Second findings {vocalsound} out of the questionnaire um are the opinion {vocalsound} the opinions uh of theaudience about current remote controls . First point is , seventy five percent of the users find the most repo remote controls very ugly , uh and eighty percent ofthe users would spend more money when a remote control would look fancy . So that's maybe something for the User Interface uh Designer . Okay , thirdfindings . According to the frequency of use versus importance investigation , um {vocalsound} following buttons are most important . Um , I will tell somethingabout the way this uh this test was , yeah , done . Um , {vocalsound} persons were asked uh what the buttons were uh they use most , how much an hour,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: and uh in the second table the importance of those buttons . Um , when you multiply them , you get the {disfmarker}these three points . Switching channels , um yeah , that's pretty uh pretty normal , that's what you do with a remote control . Um the second , teletext , uh andthe third , uh volume controls . Um , I think it's good uh that we know what the user want {disfmarker} wants , uh at least the these three points have to be uhvery clear .Project Manager: But it's strange that the the manage board {disfmarker} the management board said that the teletext will be uh outdated by theinternet . So that that's strange .Marketing: Yeah , okay . Yeah , okay , but uh at the moment uh teletext is {disfmarker} Yeah , th the best thing you can get uhon T_V_ , like getting information .Project Manager: Yeah , okay . Yeah .Marketing: So uh , when you ask people , what do they use , {vocalsound} they useteletext and not the internet on a remote control .Project Manager: Okay . Yeah , okay .Marketing: That's ridiculous . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah.Marketing: That's a ne i it {disfmarker} It's a new technology ,Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: but it's not incorporated right now . Okay , my personalpreferences . Um , I think we should aim at the uh audience from sixteen to forty five . {vocalsound} Mm , first of all um it's the biggest share , the biggestaudience , sixty five percent . Uh second , I think you will get the most revenue from i from it . Um , yeah , people from sixteen to forty five watch a lot of T_V_ ,more than uh people who are el uh elder . Um {vocalsound} second point , {vocalsound} we have to impro improve the most used functions , as I said here ,switching channels , teletext and volume controls . Third point um that came out of the uh {disfmarker} of the questionnaire , uh people used to uh get lost offthe remote controller , so maybe it's an idea for us uh to design ex kind of placeholder uh on side of the , yeah , of the T_V_Project Manager: Yeah , that's a coolidea .Marketing: where you can put the the remote control in . {vocalsound} Um , that's about it , I think . Yeah .Industrial Designer: When you mentioned uhimproving functions , what uh what do you mean by that what what are you think about ?Marketing: Uh not not the r not the functions ,Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Uh , the funtionability .Marketing: but uh it came out that a lot of buttons weren't even used uh on a remote control . So you can have a remotecontrol full of buttons , a hundreds hundreds of buttons , but if you don't use them , yeah it's {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Ah okay ,so focusing more on the used buttons .Marketing: Yeah , they have to be on itIndustrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: j just to t to get it done if necessary ,UserInterface: {vocalsound}Marketing: but um the most used buttons uh have to be bigger or {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Could you use perhaps uh one buttonfor multiple functions , like example pressing it in longer makes it switch to an different function for example .Marketing: Yeah , perhaps .Industrial Designer:Thank you .Marketing: Just for the minor functions perhaps .Industrial Designer: Yeah , ma perhaps , just just an idea .Marketing: Just to get less buttons on theremote control , to make it easier and quicker to learn .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah ? 'Kay , that's it .Project Manager: Thank you , Tim .{vocalsound} Janus , can you uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Uh yeah yeah , I'll go , sure . Right uh , I'll be uh explaining a bit about uh working designabout uh the project . Well uh what I did was I dissected uh uh current remote controls and um I viewed how how they w looked , how they worked , uh whatkind of components are involved , and how they are connected together . And uh after that I put up a scheme about how uh these things are organised and I'llshow it to you in in a in a few seconds . And I'll explain a bit about uh how it works and how we could uh build one and why I think several possibilities uh that wediscussed in the earlier meeting falls off . Um right . Uh well what I did was uh I I checked uh remote controls and the uh remote controls of today are all infrared, not like all probably know . And the thing about that is um the remote controls uh have to act as a T_V_ or uh a stereo or something , and those uh have atransmitter that's also focused on infrared , so if we want to uh build uh mm a remote control uh with Bluetooth for instance then uh the T_V_ should haveBluetooth too in order to communicate , so that would mean extra cost for the user and thus uh that's that wouldn't mean a a cheap uh remote control for us . Sothat's probably why most controls are still infrared . Furthermore they all have uh a a very simple structure , so that would probably uh mean lower costs and uh ithat could mean for us a good thing uh 'cause uh well we we should be able to build a relatively cheap uh {gap} a cheap uh remote . Well uh as I mentionedready , we have some Bluetooth {disfmarker} Well it may be possible , but uh I figured it wouldn't be possible in {disfmarker} within our budget , but that's notfor me to decide , but that's maybe something for marketing to look into . F because uh {disfmarker} well my personal opinion is uh is not to do uh Bluetooth{gap} or or radio waves , {vocalsound} although {disfmarker}Marketing: What do you think about uh incorporating Bluetooth or a radio uh receiver uh in theplace-holder next to the T_V_ , connected to the T_V_ ?Industrial Designer: Yeah , actually I have tMarketing: So it's in the wrong product .Industrial Designer:Yeah . Yeah , I actually {disfmarker} I figured that would be that would be rather nice , but then you'd still have the uh {disfmarker} the infrared function . So inin theory you'd actually just move the problem ,Marketing: Yeah . Yeah .Industrial Designer: but uh what I did uh think about was when you mentioned about theuh the cup-holder , is why not uh introduce a speech function like where is the remote . If somebody says , where is the remote , then it goes uh beep uh beepbeep beep or something ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer: I dunno , maybe uh maybe something to look into , Idunno uh what the cost {gap} that something like that would be . But it may be uh may be something to explore . Uh I'll I'll just explain a bit of the components .Uh first you have the energy source . The energy source would be a battery , simple uh battery uh that you can find anywhere . I figured that would be best ,'cause when the battery uh stops functioning uh we could just uh use {disfmarker} you could just go out and buy a new one . So we didn't {disfmarker} and wedon't have to do all uh {disfmarker} to be too complicated about that . Uh the energy source is connected to the infrared button , but uh the infrared button uh"}
{"doc_id":"doc_142","qid":"","text":"Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and Education Committee this morning. I have received apologies forabsence from Jack Sargeant, and I'm very pleased to welcome Vikki Howells, who is substituting for Jack this morning. Can I ask whether there are anydeclarations of interest from Members, please? No. Okay. Thank you. Item 2 this morning is our last evidence session on the Children (Abolition of Defence ofReasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill, and I'm really pleased to welcome back Julie Morgan AM, Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services; Karen Cornish,who is deputy director of the children and families division; and Emma Gammon, who is the lawyer working on the Bill. So, thank you all for coming. If you'rehappy, we'll go straight into questions because we've got lots of ground that we want to cover, and the first questions are from Janet Finch-Saunders.JanetFinch-Saunders AM: Good morning. Thank you, Chair. Good morning, Deputy Minister. Of those individuals who responded to our written consultation in apersonal capacity, nearly 70 per cent do not support this Bill. We also heard a clear message from the parents we met last week who oppose this Bill that, asparents, they understand clearly the difference between child abuse and a light smack from a loving parent. How would you like to respond to that?Julie MorganAM: Thank you very much, Janet, for that question. I think I'd like to start by saying that child abuse is not the issue that the Bill is trying to address. What theBill is trying to do is prohibit all forms of physical punishment, and that is in order to protect children's rights and to ensure that children have the same protectionfrom physical punishment as adults. But I do understand that people have different views, and that's why this process has been so important—for us to hear whatyour views are and what parents' views are. I know that, often, people use different euphemisms really to make light of physical punishment. I've heardexpressions used such as a 'light smack' or a 'loving smack' or a 'tap', and really there can be different interpretations of what is a 'light smack', what is a 'lovingsmack', and that doesn't really cover the issue of the frequency of such actions being taken. But I would say that, however mild it seems to be, the United NationsCommittee on the Rights of the Child recognises that any physical punishment of children, however minor, is incompatible with their human rights, and whyshould a big person hit a little person? That's been the sort of mantra, really, that has taken me through supporting this legislation—that it just seems wrong tome that there is something in the law that could mean that there could be an excuse for that happening. I believe we shouldn't have anything in the law thatdefends the physical punishment of children, and I don't think we should be defining acceptable ways of hitting or punishing children, because I think it does senda confused message to children. It says, 'It's okay for me to hit you, but don't you hit anybody else.' I think it causes confusion. So, I'm confident that updatingthe law will make it much clearer for parents and people working with children—and, of course, I'm sure, as you'll have heard from the evidence you've taken,that people who work with children are overwhelmingly in support of this legislation, and the representative surveys that we've carried out show support for theBill's principles.Janet Finch-Saunders AM: Thank you, Deputy Minister. Last week, during the workshop, a few parents—predominantly all of them, actually—saidthat they use a gentle tap or smacking as part of a toolkit of ways to deal with challenging behaviour or, sometimes, for the safety of the child or, indeed, to carryout the parenting of a child. How do you intend to work with parents going forward, given the finite resources that social care and social services have? I knowfrom the responses we've received to the consultation that parents themselves who have to parent 24 hours a day, seven days a week, they are really, on thescale of things, very upset about this. How do you intend to try and get your message across to those parents on removing what they consider to be part of theirtoolkit when raising children? How do you intend to deal with that aspect?Julie Morgan AM: Well, first of all, I want to say, as I've said in most evidence sessions,that I completely accept that bringing up children is hard. It's very difficult; many of us have done it and we know how tough it can be. But we don't think thatthere is any place for physical punishment in bringing up children. There's a whole range of other ways that you can help parents bring up children, and adviceyou can give them of different methods to use. But, the clear message of this Bill is that we don't want any physical punishment; we don't think it's the right thingto do, and we believe that we are supported by many people in that view.Janet Finch-Saunders AM: Thank you.Lynne Neagle AM: You've got other questions,Janet.Janet Finch-Saunders AM: Okay. Oh, yes. Several consultation responses refer to statistics from Sweden, which they say show that child-on-child violenceactually increased by 1,791 per cent between 1984 and 2010, following the ban on physical punishment in 1979. What is your view on these figures and how canwe be certain that this Bill won't lead to other long-term negative outcomes in Wales?Julie Morgan AM: Well, I'm aware of the debate surrounding theinterpretation of the different statistics from Sweden. What's happened, really, in the academic research is that different academics are focused on differentfigures to support their views, and the methodological ways of doing it makes it quite difficult to have causation. I was very encouraged that a recent study of 88countries concluded that if a country prohibits corporal punishment, the result is association with less youth violence, and this is one of the largest cross-nationalanalyses of youth violence, with more than 400,000 participants. So, there is other evidence, very widespread evidence, which looks at a whole range of people,that is in contrast to the Swedish evidence. But, evidence in this field is mixed and we have considered a wide range of research and reviews, but ultimately thedecision is one that is based on our commitment to children's rights.Janet Finch-Saunders AM: Okay, thank you.Lynne Neagle AM: Do you want question 3?JanetFinch-Saunders AM: I can do it, yes. The Bill's explanatory memorandum says that 'there is no definitive evidence that \"reasonable\" physical punishment causesnegative outcomes for children'. However, we have heard from Equal Protection Network Cymru that international evidence could not be clearer and that theyfound the Wales Centre for Public Policy's report, on which the explanatory memorandum is based, very confusing and very frustrating, and that it didn't tie inwith what they knew. How would you respond to those viewpoints?Julie Morgan AM: We were very keen to get as balanced research as we possibly could, and wedidn't want to just put forward views that we thought agreed with our point of view. So, we were trying to give a balanced point of view, but we did commissionthe Wales Centre for Public Policy to do an independent literature review and we're honestly reporting to you what they said. But they did make it clear, again,which I think I've said in previous evidence sessions, that all physical punishment, under all conditions, is potentially harmful to children. And certainly, there isno peer-reviewed research that says that physically punishing a child is going to improve things, has favourable outcomes. So, I understand what EqualProtection Network Cymru are saying, because there is a lot of very strong evidence, but we're giving you the evidence that we had from the research that wecommissioned.Lynne Neagle AM: Thank you. We've got some questions now from Suzy on implementation.Suzy Davies AM: Thank you, Chair. I've just got acouple of questions on this balance between the steps that will be needed to implement this Bill and the impact that it'll actually have. You've probably heard inevidence that we've received that there are still some concerns out there about how agencies might address malicious reporting; some detail about how thepublic interest test might be applied further along the line; what's going to happen with out-of-hours provision from social services, and so on. There are still,from our perspective, quite a few things that are unknown about the effect on our public services in particular of the implementation of this Bill. Would you agreethat perhaps we should know a little bit more about that before we proceed with supporting the Bill?Julie Morgan AM: Well, it's very difficult, bringing in thislegislation that hasn't been done before. It's very difficult to gauge the impact, and we've covered that, I know, in previous discussions. But I think it's veryimportant to say that we are not creating a new offence. The Bill is removing a defence to an offence of common assault. And I think it's an interesting point tomake that, in Ireland, they introduced similar legislation through an amendment to a Bill, and had no detailed preparation for bringing in the Bill, and in factthere's no evidence that this has caused any difficulties, and no significant negative impacts or increase in workload. But in any case, we have our implementationgroup, which is going to address many of these issues. This met on 14 May. That was the first meeting. You see, I think we do have to take a balance betweenassuming this Bill is going to go through and what we can actually do. We can't presume that the Assembly will accept this Bill, so we have to be staged in whatwe do. But we had the first strategic implementation group on 14 May, and we had representatives from the police, the police and crime commissioners, theCrown Prosecution Service, the Association of Directors of Social Services Cymru, the Association of Directors of Education in Wales, the Welsh Local GovernmentAssociation, the legal profession and the third sector. They're all there, and they're all very keen to make this legislation work and to look at the implications of it.I'd just like to say how grateful I am for all those organisations giving their time and commitment. They've set up four work streams, looking at parenting adviceand support; data collection, evaluation and monitoring; operations, procedures and processes; and out-of-court disposals and diversions. These groups will betaking forward this work and will be looking at many of those issues that you've mentioned, and will also be updated on the progress of the awareness strategythat we will be bringing in. I'm really confident that the legislation will be implemented in a very practical and workable way, because we do have the commitmentof all these agencies, and there's been a huge amount of preparation done in the Welsh Government to prepare for this in a way that, I have to say, hasn't beendone in some of the other countries—as I mentioned, in Ireland. So, as much preparation as could be done is being done and has been done, but we really nowsee that the implementation group is taking forward all these issues, and obviously those agencies that are taking part in the implementation group are, on thewhole, in support of the principles of this Bill.Suzy Davies AM: Well, thank you for that, Minister, but the way I look at this is that you've already said that, if this"}
{"doc_id":"doc_143","qid":"","text":"Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Hmm .Project Manager: Okay . Good morningeverybody . Um I'm glad you could all come . I'm really excited to start this team . Um I'm just gonna have a little PowerPoint presentation for us , for our kick-offmeeting . My name is Rose Lindgren . I I'll be the Project Manager . Um our agenda today is we are gonna do a little opening and then I'm gonna talk a little bitabout the project , then we'll move into acquaintance such as getting to know each other a little bit , including a tool training exercise . And then we'll move intothe project plan , do a little discussion and close , since we only have twenty five minutes . First of all our project aim . Um we are creating a new remote controlwhich we have three goals about , it needs to be original , trendy and user-friendly . I'm hoping that we can all work together to achieve all three of those . Um sowe're gonna divide us up into three {vocalsound} compa three parts . First the functional design which will be uh first we'll do individual work , come into ameeting , the conceptional design , individual work and a meeting , and then the detailed design , individual work and a meeting . So that we'll each be doing ourown ideas and then coming together and um collaborating . Okay , we're gonna get to know each other a little bit . So um , what we're gonna do is start off withum let's start off with Amina . Um Alima ,Industrial Designer: Alima .Project Manager: sorry , Alima .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Um we're gonna do a little tool training , so we are gonna work with that whiteboard behind you . Um introduce yourself , um say one thing aboutyourself and then draw your favourite animal and tell us about it .Industrial Designer: Okay . Um I don't know which one of these I have to bring with me .ProjectManager: Probably both .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Right , so , I'm supposed to draw my favourite animal . I have no drawing skills whatsoever . But uhlet's see , introduce myself . My name is Alima Bucciantini . Um I'm from the state of Maine in the US . I'm doing nationalism studies , blah , blah , blah , and Ihave no artistic talents .Project Manager: How do you spell your name ?Industrial Designer: A_ L_ I_ M_ A_ .Project Manager: Thanks .Industrial Designer: Oh ,and I guess I'm the Industrial Designer on this project . So let's see if I can getMarketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: um here . I will draw alittle turtle for you all . Not necessarily 'cause it's my absolute favourite animal , but just that I think they're drawable . And you have the pretty little shell goingon . Some little eyes . Happy . There you go . That's a turtle .Marketing: Yes .Project Manager: So what are your favourite characteristics ?Industrial Designer:Um . I I like the whole having a shell thing .Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: It's quite cool carry your home around where you go , um quite decorativelittle animals , they can swim , they can , they're very adaptable , they carry everything they need with them , um and they're easy to draw .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Excellent .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Shall we just go around the table ?User Interface: Uh Okay . Well , myname is Iain uhProject Manager: Mm .User Interface: and I'm the User Interface Designer for the project . Um . And I'll try and draw my favourite animal.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} No ,User Interface: I'll {disfmarker} I should leave that one on thereIndustrial Designer: you can erase the turtle ,UserInterface: shouldn't I {vocalsound} before I callously rub it off .Industrial Designer: it's alright .Project Manager: Might be nice to have them all up there at sametime .User Interface: {vocalsound} Um I'm not gonna draw it quite to scale um .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Is that at leastidentifiable ?Industrial Designer: Snake .Marketing: Well .Project Manager: EmIndustrial Designer: Well ,User Interface: It's a whale {vocalsound} , yes.Industrial Designer: snake ? {vocalsound} It's w {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Thanks .Marketing: Oh my god , it's better than what I'm gonna beable to do .User Interface: {vocalsound} Um and , yeah , the reason I like whales is 'cause uh they're {disfmarker} well , first of all they're quite intelligent umand also they're they're kind of mysterious , like we don't really know much about them or or understand how they work , how they form groups . And I just findthem interesting animals .Marketing: Take my contraptions with me . Alright , I'm Jessy . I'm from around D_C_ ish sort of in the U_S_ . And we're gonna keepthe deep sea sort of theme going on , {gap} animal . Don't really know how to draw this . Just where can I {disfmarker} Mm . Mm . Maybe if I do the water,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: but how ? Sort of give an idea . {vocalsound} I have no idea how one would explain this . Mm maybe with somewhiskers . Briefly , it's supposed to be a seal .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: You can imagine it in the water . I likethem , because they are like playful and silly sort of have a good time . Not gonna try and pretend like I can get any better than that . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Mm 'kay . Mm 'kay ? I'm Rose and I'm Project Manager , {vocalsound} from California . Um . Hmm . {vocalsound} S {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Oh ,Marketing: It's definitely significantly harder once you are doing it .Industrial Designer: a cat .Project Manager: Um it's actually a coyote.Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Let's see . Let's see ,Industrial Designer: Right .Marketing: {vocalsound} That's impressive .Project Manager: let'sgive it a little bit of a snout , I don't know , some teeth .Industrial Designer: That's {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: That's prettyimpressive .User Interface: Cool . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh dear . {vocalsound} Yes .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Ilive um I live right across the street from an open space in California . We have coyotes howl all the time . So I really enjoy their their singing , you they're reallybeautiful animals . Mm . {vocalsound} Okay um , moving on to slightly more serious stuff . We're gonna talk about project finances . Um we have a couple{vocalsound} we'd like to sell it for about twenty five Euro with the profit aim of um fifteen million Euro um from our sales and because this is such {disfmarker}this is for television it's a {disfmarker} we have a market range of Internet , like it's an international market range , we don't have to worry about specifics . Umin order to make a profit of this magnitude , we need to um be able to produce each one at a maximum of twelve fifty Euro . So we're selling it for twice whatwe'd like to produce it for . Okay um , just to generate a little bit of discussion about the project um , I could {disfmarker} I'd like to hear about your experiencesusing ro remote controls , um your first ideas about um creating a new r remote control , what would be the best um like you {disfmarker} what are the featuresthat you really like what are the features that you don't like , etcetera , so {disfmarker}Marketing: Um I hate when there's like four different buttons and youhave to press to actually turn on the T_V_ like you have to do one for the power of the T_V_ and then like another one to get the actual screen on and somethingelse to get it all going , I don't know . Now they keep combining all different remotes together , and I don't know if I necessarily like that 'cause I feel like you endup with multimedia overload .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: I just wanna watch the T_V_ {vocalsound} um .Project Manager: Hmm .Marketing:{vocalsound} Always gets lost . Some sort of like device to help you find it .User Interface: I've used , I've used remote controls , for things like T_V_ and theC_D_ player and video recorder and I I guess they're they're pretty neat neat little tools uh . You don't have to get up and walk across the room to change achannel .Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: So especially if you're someone really lazy like me they they're pretty nice . Um . I find them {disfmarker} theycan be a bit annoying , especially , like you know if I'm watching T_V_ I have have to have three separate remote controls of {disfmarker} in front of me , youknow , one for the T_V_ , one for the digital box , one for m the video recorder as well . Um . And also they tend to they tend to be a bit confusing , they've gottoo many buttons on them uh too too sort of too sort of complicated when all I really wanna do is switch on and off , change the channel , change the volume.Industrial Designer: Yeah um . I agree with having too many remotes around . My dad has a whole drawer at home of remotes for various things , and I don'tknow how to work half of them um . What's important for me , I guess , is that it's easy to use and that there's not too many buttons , they are not too small ,you know you know you need to n to know what you're doing . And one thing I particularly like is if you are not um sort of moving it around to get it to work withthe infra-red .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Um , I think there is a way around that ,User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: but I know in my residenceright now the the television you sort of have to walk all around the room to get it to turn on ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: so iit's just simpler just to just turn around the T_V_ itself , and I think that's {disfmarker} if we're gonna make a remote control , it should actually work for whatit's doing . So {disfmarker}Marketing: What about like batteries and things like that , like are there some remotes that don don't require like batteries or do allremotes require batteries ?Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um I would imagine all of them ,Industrial Designer: I know .Project Manager: but we could{disfmarker} but it's possible we could use like a lithium battery um that would last a lot longer than like double A_s .Industrial Designer: Yeah , something thatdoesn't {disfmarker}Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Um like tho those are the batteries that are used in a lot of um M_P_ three players now and thatkind of thing . Um .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: Um . Okay , it seems we have a little bit of a conflict over um to uhcombining all the remotes cont together versus having f five different remotes . So um like you said you don't like having all the buttons on one on one remote ,and yet you don't wanna have five remotes . So how do we work with that ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer:Could we get something that just has {disfmarker} No doesn't have all the buttons that you need to program the video recorder or program s other things thatI'm not very coherent about , but that just has your major buttons for {disfmarker} that work for everything , you know volume control , on , off ,ProjectManager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: channel changing .Marketing: And maybe that spatially divides it , so it's like if you're looki if you're trying to get theT_V_ on that's , you know , like the top thing on the remote , I dunno if d be vertical or horizontal in terms of how we're gonna make it , but if it's like all the"}
{"doc_id":"doc_144","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: {vocalsound} Alright , yeah . {gap} crack on {gap} . Okay so we'll start off with a quick overview of the minutes . I think to sum up the lastmeeting , would be to say um the requirements that we've um set out . Those are we were going to go for what seemed to be a fairly minimal design based on uha small joystick , {vocalsound} L_C_D_ and a couple of other buttons for navigation um with power being I suppose one of the main single purpose buttons . Umwe were also going to use {gap} novelty of being able to locate the remote control again via a small transmitter with any luck , the idea to try and separate usand also because of the minimal design um looks like we'll be able to be fairly adventurous in the actual physical shape of our remote control with any luck . Umthat pretty much sums up the last one . So we'll just crack on , um like to maybe start with the Industrial Designer if it's possible .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Uh uh okay .Project Manager: Um uh the con today is the concep today .Industrial Designer: I'll just {disfmarker}Project Manager: This uh meetingis the conceptual design phase and is um {disfmarker} Sorry about this . {gap} . And is to cover things like um what the parts might be made of , um , can we uhoutsource these from elsewhere , um will we have to construct any items ourselves ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Uh I have a presentation {gap} I justsaved it in the uh the folder .Project Manager: Yeah , okay well I'll just uh I'll load it up then . Um {vocalsound} . Which one do yIndustrial Designer: Uh .ProjectManager: Oh , interface concept ?User Interface: Yeah , that's me .Project Manager: That's you . We've got trend watching , that's you .Industrial Designer: It'suh {disfmarker} Components design .Project Manager: Components design .Industrial Designer: {gap} .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Alright .{vocalsound} So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Uh . The case uh le that's what I wrote first of all , could be plastic our plastic . Uh but later on {gap} we found outthat um it can be rubber as well , or titanium or even wood . So uh we decide what it's gonna be . Probably plastic . Uh we need the infra-red transmitter . Getthat off the shelf . Uh joystick we'll probably if we're gonna use it , um could be plastic w or rubber even as well . Um {vocalsound} if you go on to the next slide .Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} If you go on to f uh findings , it's like two or three slides down .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Right . So , this iswhat I found we can use . Uh three different types of batteries . Um can either use a hand dynamo , or the kinetic type ones , you know that they use in watches ,or else uh a solar powered one .Project Manager: Okay . Now ,Industrial Designer: Um .Project Manager: the kinetic one , we've {disfmarker} 'cause that's theones where like you {disfmarker} the movement causes it .Marketing: Cost is {disfmarker} Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: Umthe bat uh the battery for a a watch wouldn't require a lot of power , would be my one query .User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: Is a kinetic one going to beable to supply enough power ?User Interface: There's also a watch moves around a great deal more .Project Manager: Do you think ?Industrial Designer: Uh.Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: WIndustrial Designer: Yeah , I don't think it would . Um . And solar cells , I dunno about that .Marketing: {gap}yeah .Industrial Designer: Uh . We should probably just use conventional batteries . Um , just like in usual remote controls .Project Manager: Which I suppose aswell would allow us to go off the shelf again , you'd say ?Industrial Designer: Um . Yeah . Um . {vocalsound} And these are three different types of {disfmarker}or two different types {disfmarker} three different types of shapes you can have . Uh one is a flat one , and then more original ones are single curved one or onewith a double curved . Um {vocalsound} the materials are tha there as you can see , but uh you can't have a titanium one for a double curved ,Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: Titanium , the really strong metal , titanium ?Industrial Designer: uh which would be {disfmarker} Yeah ,Marketing: Is it not also it'sexpensive ?Industrial Designer: and light . Uh , i think so as well , yeah .Project Manager: Um . Um .Industrial Designer: They make mountain bikes out of that ,don't they . So it's really light as well .Project Manager: Curious . Um , I don't know if you'd be able to off the top of your head or not , the single curved anddouble curved , would you be able to give an example ?Industrial Designer: Um . {vocalsound} T yeah .Project Manager: Um could you maybe draw something ?I you don't doesn't have to be perfect , it's just 'cause I'm not quite sure if I understand the difference between the two .Industrial Designer: Uh . Well for acurved , well I was thinking to {disfmarker} f for to sit in your {disfmarker} the palm of your hand . Uh maybe like this , with the uh joy pad here . Joystick here .And maybe um an okay button around here , so that the thumb can uh use it quite easily . Um I don't exactly {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Double curved . Itprobably means {disfmarker} this is probably double curved . Uh whereas a single curved would be like that . I guess . Or not necessarily .Project Manager: So itmight literally just be {disfmarker}Marketing: Two curves {gap} .Project Manager: okay .Industrial Designer: Yeah like that . Whereas this is two curves . Um{vocalsound} so I guess that's what they mean by uh double curve .Project Manager: Alright .Industrial Designer: Um which obviously {disfmarker} it looksbetter than the single curve , but uh you can't have it in titanium , which is uh a nice material . {vocalsound} UhProject Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: andfor the buttons , um it can have the scroll wheel which they use in mouses for com P_C_s . Uh but um it requires a more expensive chip to use , and if you wannause L_C_D_ it's even more expensive . So you have to decide , there's trade-offs there . Um {vocalsound} if you want the buttons to be {disfmarker} oh yeah , ifyou have a double curve uh control and it's rubber , then you have these rubber buttons as well . But {vocalsound} you're gonna ha I reckon you're gonna haveto have uh key a number keypad anyway for the amount of channels these days . You wouldn't want to just have to scroll through all the channels to get to theone you want . You wanna enter just the number of it , if you know it . So um I reckon we're gonna have to have a number keypad anyway . Do you think?Project Manager: Okay , that was definitely something we can talk about . Um so you've got a little bit about the the chip that we might require as well?Industrial Designer: Yeah . So , depends where gonna spend the money if you want the f fancy L_C_D_ display .Project Manager: Um , do you have any idea sofar , like when we're saying that we'd need an advanced chip for an L_C_D_ , does that in shoot the cost up by a drastic amount ? Or ?Marketing: Need anadvanced chip for the L_C_D_ . Is that {disfmarker} did I {disfmarker}Project Manager: Well I think compared to say just pressing {gap} buttons .IndustrialDesigner: Yep .Marketing: Advanced , like three eight six advance .Project Manager: {gap} if you press a button that sends a certain transmission through theinfra-red , whereas I think if we're controlling the L_C_D_ we definitely require a much more powerful chip . Just compared to the chip you would use for pushingbuttons I think is the the point being made .Marketing: Okay . Okay , sure .User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: If I've not over-stepped . Yeah ?IndustrialDesigner: Yeah iProject Manager: Okay , um should I go on , or go back ?Industrial Designer: Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm , if we only havetwelve Pounds fifty , twelve Euros , not even twelve Pounds . Twelve Euros , what's that , like eight pounds or something like that , nine Pounds ?ProjectManager: Well we'd also be relying on the um the bulk buying in producement and such . I assume .Marketing: Okay , that's good point .Project Manager: Wehave to look into the costs of those . So , sorry .Industrial Designer: Uh the previous slides just explain what's in the internal components of the uh remotecontrol . If you go to the one before that uh so it just says what it does , translate the key press into an infra-red signal and this is received by the T_V_ . Uh thechip just needs to detect the signal or detect the key press and then uh it'll send it to the tr the amplifier .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: And uhthen the next slide just shows how the uh copper wires uh interact with the buttons , the rubber buttons , uh to uh get sent to the chip . So that's just how thecontrol works inside . Um we have to decide on what buttons we're gonna use .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: {gap} .Project Manager: Um . {gap} .So in the information that you've been supplied , how feasible would you say that the idea of using an L_C_D_ looks ?Industrial Designer: Um {disfmarker} Ithink we can do it if {vocalsound} uh we use conventional batteries and not have solar cells or kinetic . Um and then maybe use single curved uh case . Becausewe might need it to be curved for the uh thumb to use the joyst joystick easily . Um and then you'll need the advanced chip obviously for the L_C_D_ .ProjectManager: Um I mean that sounds like quite a good requirement to me . Um conventional battery would seem to make sense .User Interface: Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: Um I'm not sure if there's any cost differences between single and double curved and I'm {disfmarker} I don't know about anybody else , but plastic orrubber as a traditional form of casing would seem to be a good way forward ? {gap} .User Interface: Mm . Um I'm actually gonna be bold and go oo go straightfor rubber um for reasons I'll go into uh in more detail .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: I also have a preference for rubber .Project Manager: Okay , well um{disfmarker}Marketing: Based on my research .Project Manager: Yeah , well will we move on to user interface , and {disfmarker}User Interface: {gap} .ProjectManager: yeah ? Um sorry ,User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: as long as {disfmarker} were you ? Yeah . Okay .Industrial Designer: Yep I'm finished .ProjectManager: Um {gap} and d d d interface concept .User Interface: Yep . Now I'm gonna have to work between the uh the slides and the uh {vocalsound} and thewhite boardProject Manager: Yeah .User Interface: 'cause I actually I have some fairly concrete things this time . Uh um I was given a an H_T_M_L_ file givingum various ideas from uh from other previous remote control designs , and pretty much decided to just dump them all . I wasn't very impressed by them andthey didn't seem to re uh nothing I saw seemed to meet the sorts of design specifications that we're going for today . Um so what I ra rather than looking at otherremotes , uh ra oomp be better to simply look at the human hand . Um and try and f um and try and figure out a way of laying out the elements we've alreadydecided on , um so that if r a if {vocalsound} so that the finger is e each finger or thumb is wherever it needs to be already . Um so uh next slide , if you please .Um and what we've basically decided on was the the um the joy uh the joystick , two function buttons and the L_C_D_ , just keep it paired down to the absolute"}
{"doc_id":"doc_145","qid":"","text":"PhD E: OK .Professor B: OK , so {pause} We {disfmarker} we had a meeting with , uh {disfmarker} with Hynek , um , in {disfmarker} in which , uh , uh , Suniland Stephane , uh {vocalsound} summarized where they were and {disfmarker} and , uh , talked about where we were gonna go . So that {disfmarker} thathappened sort of mid - week . Uh .PhD E: D did {disfmarker} did you guys get your code pushed together ?PhD D: Oh , yeah . Yeah . It 's {disfmarker} it 's{disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it was updated yesterday ,PhD E: Cool .PhD D: right ?PhD A: Yeah .PhD D: Yeah .PhD A: You probably received the mail .PhD E:Oh , right , I saw {disfmarker} I saw the note .PhD A: Yeah .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: What was the update ?PhD A: What was the update ? So there is ththen {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} all the new features that go in .Professor B: Yeah .PhD A: The , um , noise suppression , the re - synthesis of speech aftersuppression . These are the {disfmarker}PhD E: Is the , um {disfmarker} the CVS mechanism working {pause} well ?PhD A: Yeah .PhD E: Are {disfmarker} arepeople , uh , up at OGI grabbing code uh , via that ?PhD D: Uh , I don't think {disfmarker} I don't think {disfmarker}PhD E: Or {disfmarker} ?PhD A: I don'tknow if they use it , but .PhD D: Yeah , I I don't think anybody up there is like {pause} working on it right now .PhD E: Uh - huh . Mmm .Professor B: I think itmore likely that what it means is that when Sunil is up there {vocalsound} he will grab it .PhD D: Yeah . Yeah . So right now nobody 's working on Aurora there.PhD E: Yeah .Professor B: They 're {disfmarker} Yeah . They 're working on a different task .PhD E: I see . I see .PhD D: Yeah .PhD E: OK .Professor B: But what'll happen is {disfmarker} is he 'll go back up there and , uh , Pratibha will come back from {disfmarker} from , uh , the east coast . Uh .PhD E: Mm - hmm.Professor B: And , uh {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and I guess actually , uh , after Eurospeech for a little bit , uh , he 'll go up there too . So , actuallyeverybody {vocalsound} who 's working on it {comment} will be up there for at least a little while . So they 'll remotely access it {vocalsound} from there .PhDE: So has {disfmarker} Has anybody tried remotely accessing the CVS using , uh , uh , SSH ?Professor B: Yeah . PhD A: Um , I don't know if Hari did that or{disfmarker} You dPhD D: I {comment} can actually do it today . I mean , I can just log into {disfmarker}PhD E: Have you tried it yet ?PhD D: No , I didn't . So II 'll try it today .PhD E: OK .Professor B: Good idea .PhD A: Actually I {disfmarker} I tried wh while {disfmarker} when I installed the {pause} repository , I triedfrom Belgium .Professor B: Yeah .PhD D: Yeah .PhD A: I logged in there and I tried {pause} to import {disfmarker}PhD E: Yeah ? It worked good ?PhD A: Yeah ,it works .PhD E: Oh , good !PhD A: But it 's {disfmarker} So , right now it 's the mechanism with SSH .PhD D: Oh .PhD E: Great !PhD A: I don't {pause} s I didn'tset up {disfmarker} You can also set up a CVS server {pause} on a new port . It 's like well {pause} uh , a main server , or d You can do a CVS server .PhD E:Yeah . Right . Then that 's using the CVS password mechanism and all that ,PhD A: But . Yeah , right .PhD E: right ?PhD A: But I didn't do that because I was notsure about {pause} security problems . I {disfmarker} I would have to {disfmarker}PhD E: So w when you came in from Belgian {disfmarker} {comment}Belgium , using SSH , uh , was it asking you for your own {pause} password into ICSI ? So if yo you can only do that if you have an account at ICSI ?PhD A:Right . Yeah .PhD E: OK .PhD A: Yeah .PhD E: Cuz there is an {disfmarker} a way to set up anonymous CVS right ?PhD A: Yeah , you ha in this way you ca youhave to set up a CVS server but then , yeah , you can access it .PhD E: So that {disfmarker} Oh , OK .PhD A: you {disfmarker} you can set up priorities .PhD E:So the anonymous mechanism {disfmarker}PhD A: You can access them and mostly if you {disfmarker} if y the set the server is set up like this .PhD E: OK .Because a lot of the open source stuff works with anonymous CVS and I 'm just wondering {disfmarker} Uh , I mean , for our transcripts we may want to do that.PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: Yeah .PhD E: Uh .Professor B: Yeah , for this stuff I don't think we 're {pause} quite up to that . I mean , we 're still so much indevelopment .PhD E: Mm - hmm . Yeah ,Professor B: We want to have just the insiders .PhD E: yeah , yeah . Oh , I wasn't suggesting for this . I 'm {pause}thinking of the Meeting Recorder {comment} stuffProfessor B: Yeah .PhD E: but . Yeah . OK . Cool .Professor B: Yeah . So , uh {disfmarker}PhD E: What 's new?Professor B: Well , I mean , I think maybe the thing to me might be {disfmarker} I me I 'm sure you 've just been working on {disfmarker} on , uh , details ofthat since the meeting , right ? And so {disfmarker}PhD A: Mmm , since the meeting , well , I {disfmarker} I 've been {disfmarker} I 've been train training anew VAD and a new {pause} feature net .Professor B: That was {disfmarker} that was Tuesday . OK .PhD A: So they should be ready . Um .Professor B: But Iguess maybe the thing {disfmarker} since you weren't {disfmarker} yo you guys weren't at that {disfmarker} that meeting , might be just {disfmarker} just to ,um , sort of recap , uh , the {disfmarker} the conclusions of the meeting .PhD A: Mm - hmm .PhD E: Oh , great .Professor B: So .PhD E: You 're talking about themeeting with Hynek ?Professor B: Yeah . Cuz that was sort of , uh {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we 'd sort of been working up to that , that {disfmarker} that ,uh , he would come here this week and {disfmarker} and we would sort of {disfmarker}PhD E: Uh - huh .Professor B: Since he 's going out of town like now , andI 'm going out town in a couple weeks , uh , and time is marching , sort of , given all the mu many wonderful things we could be working on , what {disfmarker}what will we actually focus on ?PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor B: And , uh {disfmarker} and what do we freeze ? And , you know , what do we {disfmarker} ? So ,um . I mean , this {pause} software that these guys created was certainly a {disfmarker} a key part . So then there 's something central and there aren't at leasta bunch of different versions going off in {disfmarker} in ways that {pause} differ {pause} trivially . Uh , um , and , um ,PhD E: Yeah . That 's {disfmarker} that's nice .Professor B: and then within that , I guess the idea was to freeze a certain set of options for now , to run it , uh , a particular way , and decide on whatthings are gonna be experimented with , as opposed to just experimenting with everything . So keep a certain set of things constant . So , um . Uh , maybedescribe roughly what {disfmarker} what we are keeping constant for now , or {disfmarker} ?PhD A: Yeah . Well . So we 've been working like six weeks on{disfmarker} on the noise compensation and we end up with something that seems reasonable . Um .PhD E: Are you gonna use {disfmarker} which of the twotechniques ?PhD A: So finally it 's {disfmarker} it 's , um , Wiener filtering on FFT bins . And it uses , uh , two steps , smoothing of the transfer function , the firststep , that 's along time , which use recursion . And {vocalsound} after this step there is a further smoothing along frequency , which use a sliding window oftwenty FFT bins . Mmm . And , uh {disfmarker}PhD E: So this is on the {disfmarker} uh , before any mel scaling has been done ?PhD A: Yeah , yeah .PhD E: Thisis {disfmarker}PhD A: It was {disfmarker}Professor B: This {disfmarker} this smoothing is done on the estimate , um , of what you 're going to subtract ? Or onthe thing that has already had something subtracted ?PhD A: Yeah . Uh , {vocalsound} it 's on the transfer function . So {disfmarker}Professor B: Oh , it 's on thetransfer function for the Wiener filter .PhD A: Yeah .Professor B: Yeah , OK .PhD A: Yeah , so basically we tried {vocalsound} different configuration within thisidea . We tried u u applying this on mel bands , having spectral subtraction instead of wiener filtering . Um . Well , finally we end up with {pause} thisconfiguration that works , uh , quite well . So we are going to fix this for the moment and work on the other aspects of {vocalsound} the whole system .PhD E:Mm - hmm .PhD A: So {disfmarker}Professor B: Actually , let me int eh , Dave isn't here to talk about it , but let me just interject . This module , in principle , i Imean , you would know whether it 's {vocalsound} true in fact , is somewhat independent from the rest of it . I mean , because you {disfmarker} you re -synthesize speech , right ?PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: So , um . Uh , well you don't {disfmarker} I guess you don't re - synthesize speech , but you could{disfmarker}PhD A: We {disfmarker} we do not foProfessor B: Uh , but you could .PhD A: Well {disfmarker} well , we do , but we don't {disfmarker} don't re -synthesize . In {disfmarker} in the program we don't re - synthesize and then re - analyze once again . We just use the clean FFT bins .Professor B: But you havea re - synthesized thing that you {disfmarker} that 's an {disfmarker} an option here .PhD A: This is an option that {disfmarker} then you can {disfmarker} Yeah.Professor B: Yeah , I gu I guess my point is that , um , i in some of the work he 's doing in reverberation , one of the things that we 're finding is that , uh , it 's{disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} for the {disfmarker} for an artificial situation , we can just deal with the reverberation and his techniques work really well . Butfor the real situation uh , problem is , is that you don't just have reverberation , you have reverberation in noise . And if you don't include that in the model , itdoesn't work very well . So in fact it might be a very nice thing to do , to just take the noise removal part of it and put that in front of what he 's looking at . And ,uh , generate new files or whatever , and {disfmarker} and , uh , uh {disfmarker} and then do the reverberation part .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor B: So it 's{disfmarker}PhD D: Mmm .Professor B: Anyway .PhD E: So Dave hasn't {pause} tried that yet ?Professor B: No , no . He 's {disfmarker} I mean , ePhD E: Iguess he 's busy with {disfmarker}Professor B: Yeah , prelims , right .Grad C: Pre - prelim hell .Professor B: Yeah .PhD E: Yeah .Professor B: So .PhD E: Yeah.Professor B: Uh , but {disfmarker} but , you know , that 'll {disfmarker} uh , it 's clear that we , uh {disfmarker} we are not {disfmarker} with the real case thatwe 're looking at , we can't just look at reverberation in isolation because the interaction between that and noise is {disfmarker} is considerable . And that 's Imean , in the past we 've looked at , uh , and this is hard enough , the interaction between channel effects and {disfmarker} and , uh {disfmarker} and additivenoise , uh , so convolutional effects and {disfmarker} and additive effects . And that 's hard enough . I mean , I don't think we really {disfmarker} I mean , we 'retrying to deal with that . In a sense that 's what we 're trying to deal with in this Aurora task . And we have , uh , the , uh , uh , LDA stuff that in principle is doingsomething about convolutional effects . And we have the noise suppression that 's doing something about noise . Uh , even that 's hard enough . And{disfmarker} and the on - line normalization as well , in that s category . i i There 's all these interactions between these two and that 's part of why these guys"}
{"doc_id":"doc_146","qid":"","text":"PhD B: We 're , I mean {pause} we {disfmarker} We didn't have a house before .Professor D: Yeah . Yeah .PhD E: OK .Professor D: We 're on again ? OK .PhD A:Mm - hmm . That is really great .Grad H: Yeah , so if {pause} uh {disfmarker} {pause} So if anyone hasn't signed the consent form , please do so .PhD A: That's terrific .PhD B: Oh , yeah !Professor D: OKGrad H: The new consent form . The new and improved consent form .PhD A: Now you won't be able to walk or rideyour bike , huh ?Professor D: OK .Postdoc F: Uh .PhD B: Right .Professor D: OK .Grad H: And uh , shall I go ahead and do some digits ?Professor D: Uh , we weregonna do that at the end , remember ?Grad H: OK , whatever you want .Professor D: Yeah . Just {disfmarker} just to be consistent , from here on in at least ,that {disfmarker} {pause} that we 'll do it at the end .PhD B: The new consent form .Grad H: It 's uh {disfmarker} {pause} Yeah , it doesn't matter . OK.Professor D: OK Um Well , it ju I mean it might be that someone here has to go ,Postdoc F: Testing , one , two , three .Professor D: and {disfmarker} Right ?That was {disfmarker} that was sort of the point . So , uh {pause} I had asked actually anybody who had any ideas for an agenda {pause} to send it to me andno one did . So ,Grad H: So we all forgot .Professor D: Uh ,Postdoc F: From last time I wanted to {disfmarker} Uh {pause} {pause} The {disfmarker} An iss uh{pause} one topic from last time .Professor D: Right , s OK , so one item for an agenda is uh {pause} Jane has some uh {vocalsound} uh some research to talkabout , research issues . Um {pause} and {pause} Uh , Adam has some short research issues .Grad H: And I have some {pause} short research issues .ProfessorD: Um , I have a {pause} list of things that I think were done over the last three months I was supposed to {vocalsound} {vocalsound} send off , uh {pause}and , um {pause} I {disfmarker} I sent a note about it to uh {disfmarker} to Adam and Jane but I think I 'll just run through it {pause} also and see if someonethinks it 's inaccurate or {pause} uh insufficient .PhD A: A list that you have to send off to who ?Professor D: Uh , to uh uh , IBM .PhD A: Oh .Professor D: OK .They 're , you know {disfmarker}PhD E: Professor D: So . Um , So , uh {pause} so , I 'll go through that . Um , {pause} And , Anything else ? {pause} anyonewants to talk about ?PhD A: What about the , um {disfmarker} your trip , yesterday ?Professor D: No . OK . Um . Sort of off - topic I guess .PhD A: Oh , OK.Professor D: Cuz that 's {pause} Cuz that was all {disfmarker} all about the , uh {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I can chat with you about that{pause} off - line . That 's another thing . Um , And , Anything else ? Nothing else ? Uh , there 's a {disfmarker} I mean , there is a {disfmarker} {pause} a , um{pause} uh {pause} telephone call tomorrow , {pause} which will be a conference call {pause} that some of us are involved in {pause} for uh a possibleproposal . Um , we 'll talk {disfmarker} we 'll talk about it next week if {disfmarker} if something {disfmarker}Grad H: Do you want me to {pause} be there forthat ? I noticed you C C ' ed me , but I wasn't actually a recipient . I didn't quite know what to make of that .Professor D: Uh Well , we 'll talk {disfmarker} talkabout that after our meeting . OK .Grad H: OK .Professor D: Uh , OK . So it sounds like the {disfmarker} the three main things that we have to talk about are , uhthis list , uh Jane and {disfmarker} Jane and Adam have some research items , and , other than that , anything , {pause} as usual , {pause} anything goesbeyond that . OK , uh , Jane , since {disfmarker} since you were sort of cut off last time why don't we start with yours , make sure we get to it .Postdoc F: OK , it's {disfmarker} it 's very {pause} eh {disfmarker} it 's {pause} very brief , I mean {disfmarker} just let me {disfmarker} just hand these out . Oops .Grad H: Isthis the same as the email or different ?PhD C: Thanks .Postdoc F: It 's slightly different . I {disfmarker} {pause} basically the same .Grad H: OK .PhD A: Sameidea ?Postdoc F: But , same idea . So , if you 've looked at this you 've seen it before , so {pause} Basically , {vocalsound} um {pause} as you know , uh{pause} part of the encoding {pause} includes a mark that indicates {pause} an overlap . It 's not indicated {pause} with , um {pause} uh , tight precision , it 'sjust indicated that {disfmarker} OK , so , It 's indicated to {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} so the people know {pause} what parts of sp which {disfmarker} whichstretches of speech were in the clear , versus being overlapped by others . So , I {pause} used this mark and , um {pause} and , uh {pause} uh , {pause}divided the {disfmarker} I wrote a script {pause} which divides things into individual minutes , {pause} of which we ended up with forty {pause} five , and alittle bit . And , uh {pause} you know , minute zero , of course , is the first minute up to {pause} sixty seconds .PhD C: OK .Postdoc F: And , um {pause} Whatyou can see is the number of overlaps {pause} and then {pause} to the right , {pause} whether they involve two speakers , three speakers , or more than threespeakers . And , {pause} um {pause} and , what I was looking for sp sp specifically was the question of {pause} whether they 're distributed evenly throughoutor whether they 're {pause} bursts of them . Um . And {pause} it looked to me as though {disfmarker} uh , you know {disfmarker} y this is just {disfmarker}{pause} eh {disfmarker} eh , this would {disfmarker} this is not statistically {pause} verified , {pause} but it {pause} did look to me as though there are burststhroughout , rather than being {pause} localized to a particular region . The part down there , where there 's the maximum number of {disfmarker} {pause} of ,um {pause} overlaps is an area where we were discussing {pause} {vocalsound} whether or not it would be useful to indi to s to {pause} code {pause} stress ,{pause} uh , sentence stress {pause} as possible indication of , uh {pause} information retrieval . So it 's like , {pause} you know , rather , {pause} livelydiscussion there .Professor D: What was {disfmarker} what 's the {disfmarker} the parenthesized stuff {pause} that says , like {disfmarker} e the first one thatsays six overlaps and then two point eight ?Postdoc F: Oh , th {vocalsound} {pause} That 's the per cent .Professor D: Mmm .Postdoc F: So , six is , uh {pause}two point eight percent {pause} of the total number of overlaps in the {pause} session .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Professor D: Ah .PhD C: Mm - hmm .Postdoc F: Atthe very end , this is when people were , {pause} you know , packing up to go basically , there 's {pause} this final stuff , I think we {disfmarker} {pause} Idon't remember where the digits {pause} fell . I 'd have to look at that . But {pause} the final three there are no overlaps at all . And {pause} couple times there{pause} are not .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Postdoc F: So , i it seems like it goes through bursts {pause} but , um {pause} that 's kind of it .PhD E: Mm - hmm .PostdocF: Now , {pause} Another question is {pause} is there {disfmarker} are there {pause} individual differences in whether you 're likely to be overlapped with or tooverlap with others . And , again {pause} I want to emphasize this is just one {pause} particular {pause} um {disfmarker} {pause} one particular meeting , andalso there 's been no statistical testing of it all , but {pause} I , um {pause} I took the coding of {pause} the {disfmarker} I , you know , my {disfmarker} I hadthis script {pause} figure out , um {pause} who {pause} was the first speaker , who was the second speaker involved in a two - person overlap , I didn't look atthe ones involving three or more . And , um {pause} {pause} this is how it breaks down in the individual cells of {pause} who tended to be overlapping mostoften with who {disfmarker} who else , and {pause} if you look at the marginal totals , which is the ones on the right side and across the bottom , you get{pause} the totals for an individual . So , {vocalsound} um {pause} If you {pause} look at the bottom , those are the , um {pause} numbers of overlaps inwhich {pause} um {pause} Adam was involved as the person doing the overlapping and if you look {disfmarker} I 'm sorry , but you 're o alphabetical , that 'swhy I 'm choosing you And then if you look across the right , {pause} then {pause} that 's where he was the {pause} person who was the sp first speaker in thepair {pause} and got overlap overlapped with by somebody .PhD A: Hmm !PhD E: Mm - hmm .Postdoc F: And , {pause} then if you look down in the summarytable , {pause} then you see that , um {pause} th they 're differences in {pause} whether a person got overlapped with or {pause} overlapped by .Grad H: Isthis uh {pause} just raw counts or is it {disfmarker}Postdoc F: Raw counts .Grad H: So it would be interesting to see how much each person spoke .PhD B: Mm -hmm .PhD C: Yeah .PhD E: Yeah {vocalsound} YeahPostdoc F: Yes , very true {disfmarker} very trueGrad H: Normalized to how much {disfmarker}Postdoc F: itwould be good to normalize with respect to that . Now on the table I did {pause} take one step toward , uh {pause} away from the raw frequencies by putting ,{pause} uh {pause} percentages . So that the percentage of time {pause} of the {disfmarker} of the times that a person spoke , {pause} what percentage{pause} eh , w so . Of the times a person spoke and furthermore was involved in a two two - person overlap , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} what percentage ofthe time were they the overlapper and what percent of the time were they th the overlappee ? And there , it looks like you see some differences , um , {pause}that some people tend to be overlapped {pause} with more often than they 're overlapped , but , of course , uh i e {vocalsound} this is just one meeting ,{pause} uh {pause} there 's no statistical testing involved , and that would be {pause} required for a {disfmarker} for a finding {pause} of {pause} any{pause} kind of {pause} scientific {pause} reliability .Professor D: S so , i it would be statistically incorrect to conclude from this that Adam talked too much orsomething .Grad H: No {disfmarker} no actually , that would be actually statistically correct ,Professor D: Yeah , yeah .Postdoc F: No , no , no .PhD E: Yeah ,yeah . Yeah , yeah .Grad H: butPostdoc F: Yeah , that 's right .Professor D: Yeah . Excuse me .Postdoc F: That 's right . And I 'm {pause} you know , I 'm{disfmarker} I don't see a point of singling people out ,Professor D: B I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I rather enjoyed it , but {disfmarker} but thisPostdoc F: now, this is a case where obviously {disfmarker}PhD A: But the numbers speak for themselves .PhD E: He 's {disfmarker} Yeah , yeah , yeah .Postdoc F: Well ,{vocalsound} you know , it 's like {disfmarker} I 'm not {disfmarker} I 'm not saying on the tape who did {pause} better or worseGrad H: Yes , that 's right , soyou don't nee OK .Professor D: Sure .Postdoc F: because {pause} I don't think that it 's {disfmarker} I {pause} you know , and {disfmarker} and th here 's acase where of course , human subjects people would say be sure that you anonymize the results , {pause} and {disfmarker} and , so , might as well do this.Professor D: Yeah .Grad H: Yeah , when {disfmarker} this is what {disfmarker} This is actually {disfmarker} when Jane sent this email first , is what caused me"}
{"doc_id":"doc_147","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Alright ? Alright . Thank you for coming to this third meeting of the uh uh design group . Um I think we uh made some definite progress at thelast one um and come up with some interesting uh uh w suggestions for our our new remote control . Um I'll again very quickly uh just present some notes ofthat meeting . Um {vocalsound} the the the problem with existing remote controls , we felt , was that they're ugly um and that people are prepared to pay apremium for something better . Um they've got lots of buttons on them that uh people don't use and find difficult to learn . Um and people lose them . And{vocalsound} We we thought that f for our our new uh uh remote control that everybody will want to rush out and buy , um {vocalsound} that we're{disfmarker} {vocalsound} we should look at speech recognition rather than r rather than buttons , and that if we have any buttons they should be very few ofthem and only for those functions that are actually identified that that people use . That {disfmarker} um {vocalsound} we want to go for uh a long lastingbattery that we gua we guarantee for the life of the uh uh the product and a shape that will be instantly recognisable , A_ um as uh a trendy remote control , andand B_ as uh a Real Reaction product . So that w uh when people are uh happy with that , they will they will want to buy uh everything else from us . Uh{disfmarker} {vocalsound} Okay . So again um , I'll {disfmarker} we'll have the three three presentations from the the the three of you and then uh we'll we'llmake a a final a final uh decision . Um and the the decisions that we need to to make today , finally , are um what energy source we want to use , whether i it ispractical to use uh um a a a long lasting one . And uh I I think our discussion was around the fact that uh if we're gonna go for uh a long lasting power supply ,then basically it's uh sealed for life and uh if anybody does manage to run one down , we'll we'll give them another one . And uh it it'll be uh , you know ,prominently displayed as part of the th the advertising literature that it's um um , you know , for life , guaranteed for life . Um {vocalsound} now the the theinternal chip um {disfmarker} and uh this is where I need uh uh Kate's expert adviceIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: and given that{vocalsound} th this has to to go to market as quickly as possible um d d do we go for a custom designed chip ? Or or do we buy one off the shelf and andprogramme it ourselves ? Uh I mean I'm I'm I'm n not an expert on these things , but presumably , there must be loads of 'em already on the market that we canmodify .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: But uh that that's uh that's your area of expertise . And then the uh , you know , the the overalldesign of the case uh is is is Kendra's field and uhUser Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} we we had somediscussions last time as as to uh how we might go forward and we'll we'll finalise those uh da today . Um and thi this is all linked in with the the the user interface, whether we p um {vocalsound} go for voice , buttons , or or a bit of both . Uh and then uh , you know , f for the next meeting Kate will be looking at the the thes the look , feel and design , Kendra the uh ho how the the user actually uses it and and Andrew of course the the product evaluation . And uh Kate and Kendrawill be producing a a model for us to uh to look at .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh so , if if we can have thethe three presentations again please , and uh um p perhaps you'd like to start uh k .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay . Um {disfmarker}Project Manager:Kate . Oh I'm sorry , oh sorry .Industrial Designer: Um p there we go .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} 'Kay , I'll just be talkingabout the components design . And {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Okay , basically I just uh looked at what exactly do remotes do . Uh basically they wait for you topress a key or give a voice command and then this is translated uh into uh light signals which are then seen by the T_V_ . Uh the materials we're gonna need tolook at {disfmarker} uh the two big ones are the integrated circuit chip and the battery and the in integrated circuit chip uh works in conjunction with a a diodetransistor or resonator , uh two more resistors and a capacitor and the battery works in conjunction with a resistor and a capacitor . Um . {vocalsound} Uhbasically what happens is you'll press a number or give a voice command and this creates a a connection within the the remote that allows the chip {disfmarker}the chip then senses this connection and produces a signal in a Morse code format . This signal's sent to the transistor which amplifies it and then sends it on tothe light emitting diode and uh {disfmarker} which is then trai changed into a infrared light which is sent to the T_V_ and sort of seen by the T_V_ and which uhchanges the channels . {vocalsound} Um . Oh . {vocalsound} Uh cool . {vocalsound} Uh so as for how we should end up uh using this in our remote uh t coupleof main questions are the buttons . Uh y the fewer buttons you have , I guess the fewer internal connections and internal codes you're gonna need . Um howeveruh to n not have buttons or to use a voice commands instead of buttons might make these connections more difficult and uh raise the production cost . That'ssomething we should think about . Also we have to work within the company constraints , and the company has informed me via email that uh they're experts atpushbuttons and that seems to be the most uh cost-effective way of producing it . Um also with battery connections the company has some limits on the batterieswe can use , so I was thinking perhaps a combination of solar cells with a back-up basic battery and somehow between the combination of that two we might beable to come up with something that uh will last the the lifetime or the five to ten years and we could still keep that original idea . {vocalsound} Um we also needto look at the chips , uh v custom-designed versus off the shelf , and the custom-designed will give us much more flexibility and enable us to incorporate thevoice function that we all uh seem to have agreed upon . Um , however that's gonna cost more , but uh the off the shelf is gonna be uh cheaper and it's gonna be{disfmarker} allow us to produce it quicker and get out there faster , but it's going to be less flexible with the features , especially things like uh voice activation ,which haven't really been used much on remotes , so there's not really chips out there that would be easy to uh to convert ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay,Industrial Designer: so if we were uh definitely gonna go with the the voice option we'd probably have to design um our own chip . {vocalsound} And that prettymuch sums it up .Project Manager: so how um {disfmarker} sorry , can you uh just put that one back up again , please ? Um .Industrial Designer: Mm . Oh yep ,sorry . {vocalsound} Yep .Project Manager: Uh d d d {vocalsound} okay , I mean uh inevitably a b a custom design chip is gonna be more expensive . Do we dowe know uh by how much ?Industrial Designer: Mm . {vocalsound} Um I don't actually have any price information , no . {vocalsound}Project Manager: And anddo we know how long it'll take to uh develop a a custom chip .Industrial Designer: Um it {disfmarker} a lot longer than an off the shelf chip . Oh w yeah , we did{disfmarker} the the problem is the the the voice technology is not really highly developed ,Project Manager: Right ,Industrial Designer: it's sort of still still in anex experimental form ,Project Manager: okay .Industrial Designer: uh so it would uh {disfmarker} it's hard to predict the time . {vocalsound}Project Manager:Right , I think we need to make a a decision here . Uh given that the company wants this on the market quickly and cheaply ,Industrial Designer: Mm .ProjectManager: that would appear to uh effectively constrain us to an existing chip and thus therefore conventional button technology . Um uh now before we go roundeverybody else , does anybody um h have any have anyti ha anything to say about that ?User Interface: I {disfmarker} I just have a question about that . Umdoes it make a difference if there are just a few commands , for example if you um can pre-programme in like numbers one through ten and pre-programme say ,you know , nine channels and then just use the voice recognition to say channel one and then you've programmed in say B_B_C_ four as your channel one , asyour favourite , it's like to have a certain number of favourites umIndustrial Designer: W just to to incorporate the voice activation in it is is sorta the trick .UserInterface: and that wIndustrial Designer: Once you've got the whole voice chip in there , then it's pretty much the the world {disfmarker} the the sky is your limit,User Interface: Okay . Then it doesn't matter . Okay .Industrial Designer: but to actually {disfmarker} the the big step is to actually get the voice activationchips in there and working .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: Cause uh I {vocalsound} must say I find it slightly surprising given that , you know , mobilephones incorporate voice activated dialling . So uh um I meanUser Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: I d d for slightly different {disfmarker} well no , I mean , it'sif you you {disfmarker} speak somebody's name and it'll dial the number for you , so uh bu I mean the this this information is from {disfmarker} is {disfmarker}this is the internal company information , is it ?Industrial Designer: Uh bits of it , yeah .Project Manager: So uh {disfmarker}User Interface: Of course mobilephones do tend to be more expensive ,Industrial Designer: Yes , as well .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: you know , hundred and fifty pounds orsomething . As opposed to the twenty Euros , twenty five Euros .Project Manager: Yeah , mm true , again but if it's without any without any uh p priceinformations that's uh difficult to uhIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: uh decide .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} Also lots ofmobile phones have got a lot of technology in them , not just that , so .Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: Yeah , that's that's right . It's like {disfmarker}it's it's {disfmarker} you can't {disfmarker} 'cause mobile phones are expensive , you can't say it's the voice recognition bit that is .User Interface: {vocalsound}Yeah .Project Manager: But we don't know . Um . {vocalsound} I mean uh I su i I mean if {disfmarker} given that the um the technology is not well developedand and given that it's it's never been done before , um th th the double risk , uh perhaps we ought to uh stick to uh to buttons , since the last thing we want todo is present a product that doesn't work . Um . Thoughts ?User Interface: Well , another thought I {disfmarker}Marketing: Would {disfmarker}User Interface:oh , sorry , go ahead .Marketing: Oh I was just gonna say mayb maybe it sh like um {disfmarker} maybe we can like cut corners somewhere else to bring in overcost .Project Manager: {vocalsound} I mean do w do we think that the voice technology is fundamental to the project ?Industrial Designer: Uh it's fundament wellI mean I guess it it's something we've discussed uh since the the sort of the beginning , so I th I think in in our in our minds it's it's fundamental , but I don't"}
{"doc_id":"doc_148","qid":"","text":"Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and Education Committee this morning. I've received apologies for absencefrom Siân Gwenllian, and I'm very pleased to welcome Helen Mary Jones, who is substituting for Siân today. Can I ask whether Members want to declare anyinterests, please? Can I just, then, place on record that I have got a son who was about to do A-levels, so is affected by the exam decision? We'll move on, then,to our substantive item today, which is an evidence session with the Welsh Government around the impact of the coronavirus pandemic on education in Wales.I'm very pleased to welcome Kirsty Williams, Minister for Education; Steve Davies, who is director of the education directorate; Huw Morris, who is the groupdirector, skills, higher education and lifelong learning; and Rob Orford, who is the chief scientific adviser for health. Thank you all for coming. We know that this isa really difficult and pressurised time for everyone, and we appreciate your attendance. Minister, I understand you wanted to make an opening statementtoday.Kirsty Williams AM: Yes, if that's okay, Chair. As you know, it's not usually my practice to do that, but I think it is important today. COVID-19 coronavirus isone of the most significant issues that the Welsh Government and the people of Wales have dealt with in recent times. Dealing with the impacts of this pandemicis extremely challenging. Things are changing on an hourly basis, and we have to make decisions quickly to ensure public safety. But I would like to assure youthat our aim, and my aim, and my main concern as the education Minister is to protect all staff and pupils in our schools and other educational settings. But wealso have a duty to ensure continuing and continuity of education. Public health is clearly the priority here, but that does not change our belief that no child shouldmiss out on any education, unless absolutely necessary. So, the decision to close all schools from tomorrow for statutory education provision was not takenlightly, but I believe it was necessary, given the advice and recommendations that we had received from a public health perspective and the situation that wasdeveloping on the ground. From next week, schools will have a new purpose. They will help support those most in need, including people involved in theimmediate response to the coronavirus outbreak, and I'm working with my colleagues in the Cabinet, with Government officials and our partners in localgovernment to develop and finalise these plans. The key areas that we're looking at are supporting and safeguarding the vulnerable and ensuring continuity oflearning. This includes all of those who benefit from free school meals and children with additional learning needs. I can confirm that all maintained schools inWales already have access to a range of digital tools that can support distance learning through the world-class Hwb digital learning platform, including virtualclassrooms and video-conferencing facilities. A guide on what tools are available and how schools can use them has been developed and is being promotedwidely. Yesterday, I announced that, whilst there are no easy choices, we have agreed that the best way forward is not to proceed with the summer exam series.Learners due to sit these exams will be awarded a fair grade to recognise their work, drawing on a range of information that is available, and I will announcefurther details shortly, but I felt it necessary to give early certainty to students and to staff. I would like to put on record my thanks to everyone working ineducation settings for the hard work that they have put in over the last few months in dealing with the virus and ensuring that pupils have been able to continueto learn. We need to continue to do this work together, as we face the continuing challenges posed by the coronavirus. Diolch yn fawr.Lynne Neagle AM: Thankyou very much, Minister, for that statement. We'll go to questions from Members now, and I've got some questions from Dawn Bowden.Dawn Bowden AM: Thankyou, Chair. Can I thank you, Kirsty, for your statement and the really difficult decisions that you've been having to make? You've already indicated in yourstatement this morning that these decisions are not taken lightly, and we understand that that is the case across Government. So, thank you for what you'vebeen doing. You've outlined a little bit further there in your statement to us this morning about the new purpose. I take from what you're saying that you haven'treally developed that yet in terms of exactly what that is going to look like. You've talked about the children of key workers, free school meals, additional learningneeds. Is there anything else you can tell us about that at the moment and how you might staff the schools in those particular areas?Kirsty Williams AM: Thankyou, Dawn. So, you're absolutely right, our priority now is to operationalise, with colleagues in local government and schools, a practical response. And I have tosay, we're working to timescales that I would have hoped to have avoided, but given the fact that we're having to make these decisions quite quickly, I hope thatyou will understand that perhaps where we start on Monday might change when we have more time and more opportunities to develop programmes goingforward. Steve will be able to give you more details of the practical work that has already been going on, but our expectation will be that schools will be playingan important part in providing safe and secure places for children of those on the front-line response to dealing with the coronavirus to attend, and work isalready under way with local authorities and individual schools on what that will look like for the emergency situation on Monday. Our other priority is indeed freeschool meals, and, again, where we eventually end up might be a different place to where we are on Monday. Again, we're responding to the emergency situationthat there will be families that were expecting a free school meal on Monday, and, again, individual schools and local authorities are developing those plans atpace to be able to provide an emergency response as we work out a longer term plan to deal with the situation. The same thing also goes for additional learningneeds, and attending to the needs of that particular group of learners. So, those conversations began a few days ago. I had the opportunity to meet with the FirstMinister and Andrew Morgan, the leader of the Welsh Local Government Association, yesterday to talk about what local government could do, and what they werealready doing. Those plans in some places are already quite developed, and are now working at pace, but I hope you will understand that where we start onMonday is the emergency response, and that work will develop as we go forward. But, Steve, perhaps you could—? Because Steve was the one making all thosephone calls and doing the practical operational stuff, rather than me. Steve.Steve Davies: In short, the new purpose is to meet the needs of particular groups ofchildren and young people. In some cases, some of the response to supporting free school meals, in the short term in particular, we may use the schools as partof that, and I'm certain that will happen in some cases. The second area is looking at how we support the children of key workers. Now, there is still work to bedone on identifying exactly the categories of key workers, but I think it's really encouraging that in my discussions yesterday—I spoke with all 22 directors ofeducation, and the examples we're picking up in their work with schools is they're already ahead of the curve in working with schools. So, schools have identifiedthe number of children with health workers. It will grow, and we will need to look at that range. Then, the third area is vulnerable children. They're vulnerablesometimes in terms of education other than at school, vulnerable in terms of mental health, and for those children, as well as having an experience that we wantto be planned, some have compared it to a snow day, particularly on Monday, when you're putting something together in the short term, but it will not be aformal curriculum that those children would normally go through. So, the range of activities—some will be focused on educational activities, some will be cultural,some will be sporting, and that plan will be developed on the basis of the age range of children, which in some cases may go from extremely young children up tothose at the age of 16 in our all-through schools, but there will be a planned set of activities to cater for those children. What we are doing currently—I have staffback at Cathays Park who are in touch and working with directors of education to ensure that schools over the next two days will have been able to identify, atleast at the earlier stage, in terms of health workers, the type and numbers of people. There are already schools who have informed us, and local authorities, oftheir plans for these activities to be starting next week, which is quite amazing, actually, given where we are. But we are expecting, and we're writing to schoolstoday, that during the course of next week, headteachers to be in schools, and with their staff, taking into consideration the health guidance as to which staffshould or should not be in, and in that period from next Monday through the two-week period, to Easter, we expect staff to be both planning for delivery postEaster, but also, as I said, building on and reflecting the good practice that's already in place for schools that have engaged in activities, and I'm sure a number ofthem will be inviting and enabling those children to come in on Monday. So, Monday will be a challenge for some, and not all will be delivering it, but we will beworking so that we can get as much as possible delivered for those groups over the next two weeks, and particularly to have resilient programmes post Easter forthe groups of children in those three categories that I said.Dawn Bowden AM: Those that have been identified. Can I just clarify one thing? One of the identifiedvulnerable groups would clearly be children on the at-risk register. They would be included.Steve Davies: Yes, definitely. Vulnerable children, yes.Kirsty WilliamsAM: In our discussions, we have asked local government to be working with the social services departments and individual schools to identify those children whomay be in that situation. We know that, for some children, being at school is part of their safeguarding arrangements, and obviously we will need to be able torespond to those needs.Steve Davies: I wrote specifically yesterday to all directors of education to be assured that, for those children, the register is up to dateand the plans are in place. I'm working with Albert Heaney my colleague, the director for social services, who is meeting with the 22 directors of social servicestoday to look to ensure that we are joined up in ensuring none of these children fall through the gap.Lynne Neagle AM: Okay. I've got a supplementary fromHefin, and then Suzy.Hefin David AM: A very quick and simple question: how are you going to communicate this to parents? There's a bigger picture and it'schanging all the time, as you said. The Welsh Government have a route to communication. The most helpful thing I've seen is that Public Health Wales have asingle website with information regarding the wider issue of the virus. How will this then be cascaded to schools, because there's obviously a time lag? So, have"}
{"doc_id":"doc_149","qid":"","text":"Marketing: Right first time this time . Nu There we go . It's not that complicated , but I get it wrong every time . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay so we arejust waiting for Matthew {gap} .Marketing: For Matthew , yep .Project Manager: Mm . Uh {disfmarker} So I suggest we start the meeting uh without MatthewuhMarketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Mm 'kay .Project Manager: he's uh obviously late for some reason . {vocalsound} Good . Um . Today uh we will uhtalk about uh conceptual design . I hope uh you both did some uh some work uh concerning a uh conceptual design .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Umthis will be the uh agenda for the meeting uh {gap} . Uh I will take some minutes uh again .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Um we will have thepresentations of y of you different team members ,Marketing: Yep .Industrial Designer: Yep .Project Manager: and then try to come to decisions uh about theconcepts uh you have presented . So and that uh will uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: we have some uh forty minutes uh tocomplete this uh .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So um who has the fir do you ha Anna do you have your presentation ready ?Marketing: I have apresentation , I'm just making this {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah I think {disfmarker} {vocalsound} yeah the {disfmarker} Matthew it is it's importantthat Matthew yeah is hereProject Manager: Okay . AhIndustrial Designer: because it's really a a team uh project with a teamProject Manager: there is Matthew.Industrial Designer: and if someone is not here then we cannot {disfmarker}User Interface: Sorry .Industrial Designer: but it's okay {vocalsound} it's good .{vocalsound}Marketing: Okay I'll just email you this file , my presentation .Project Manager: So . Good . Do {gap} presentation ready ?Marketing: Mm-hmm I'mjust emailing it to you .Project Manager: Oh okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: So {disfmarker}Project Manager: So did you manage uh{disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah I sent you the slides , you didn't see them ?Project Manager: Oh yes I see him , good yes .User Interface: Okay . {gap}.Project Manager: No .User Interface: {vocalsound} So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} 'Kay .Marketing: Okay it should've gone through to you .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay mm yes I have it .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm-hmm . Okay so this is just a presentation on uh the trendsthat we're gonna use to make the product stand out from the rest of the products out there at the moment . Um can I just put this on ? So we have to work out away {disfmarker} what we can do with our product to make it stand out and make it so people wanna buy it . Um . This is {disfmarker} to do this I will notremove my microphone . {vocalsound} We basically used um some focus group surveys which I went through with you last time , the main results of that , andum some research on the current design um and fashion trends that are out there at the moment um ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: and as part ofthis {disfmarker} The important aspects that came out were things that we've already discussed really . The most important by far was the look and feel of it . Itneeds to be something that's very different from everything else out there . It needs to stand out {vocalsound} . It needs to be not functional like the rest of thethings out there at the moment . Most people find remote controls boring at the moment , we need to have something that looks interesting , that looks exciting ,that will stand out . People will wanna buy it . Um {disfmarker} That was twice as i important as the next item on here which is that it has to be technologicallyinnovative {disfmarker} has to have something else , apart from just the look of it . People have to then think about it and say {gap} got something there that Iwant . That's a really cool feature , and it has to make them wanna buy it again . Third on the list , and again innovative was twice as important as this last umaspect , it has to be easy to use . So they have to be able to {disfmarker} be able to look at it and have some intuitive idea of how to use it um . Drawing on thefashion trends at the moment , uh fruit and vegetables um . This is basically talking about just the the feel of it , so probably not the smell of it , but the brightcolours , um eye-catching , really bold designs , and a spongy feel .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: Mm .Marketing: Um I had a talk to the design people about this , but having a remote that's tactile , that feels different , that would be really cool . Thatwould make it stand out . Um .Project Manager: Hmm .Industrial Designer: So can you repeat and be more precise about what you just said ?Project Manager:Spongy feel ?Industrial Designer: Uh about the feeling yeah uh yoMarketing: WellUser Interface: {vocalsound} You can {disfmarker}Marketing: ma make it notnecessar sp spongy is the current thing . Spongy is the current texture , but basically there are no reports no remotes at the moment which are spongy or tactileat all , so if we make it like maybe furry or soft or something , that'll be something that sets it apart ,Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing:rather than just bare plastic which they all are at the moment .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: So as far as the design goes , thevery most important aspect was the design , to the customers . So going with the fruit and vegetable idea , we've got the bright colours , so makes it stand out ,the oranges and the the bright yellows and the florescent colours , part of the fruit and vegetables um . Going back to the idea of taking inspiration from mobilephones , they've all got those {disfmarker} a lot of them have the changeable covers , so they can choose what colour the outside is . That's one way of lookingat it um . Textured feel we just talked about . Maybe it's another way of doing that .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: So if it's part of the the changeablecovers then may maybe they can choose a different texture , a spongy one or a soft one or something like that . So they can choose it li as they want to to maybe{disfmarker} to fit in with their decor in their living room , or just what they like , their sports team or whatever .Industrial Designer: Yeah that's a very good idea, yeah . Yeah .Marketing: Um and yeah , still taking the inspiration from the mobile phone design so functionality , the way the mobile phones work , the way thekeypad looks . Also just the way that a lot of industrial design is going into mobile phones at the moment . They're big selling items . People put a lot of thoughtinto that so we can leverage off that , and we can start using some of their ideas . Um back to technological in in innovation , not quite as important , but still abig issue . Um we talked about having a way of finding a remote control if it's been lost , uh that's one thing we could look at . There are other aspects likeL_C_D_ screens and speech recognition which weren't {disfmarker} I don't think , in my personal opinion , gonna be worth the extra expense and the extra effortthat will go into them . I think we're better doing something basic like thisIndustrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: which is very important and very{disfmarker} will be a really cool feature to put in . And {disfmarker} {gap} use . I had no real specific ideas for this , maybe we just , the basic idea of havingyour core functions big and at the top maybe , by themselves ,Project Manager: Mm . Yes wellMarketing: and then {disfmarker}Project Manager: maybe Matthewcan can give some more information on the {disfmarker}Marketing: yeahUser Interface: Yeah .Marketing: {disfmarker} and then th th the finer details of buttonsyou don't use as much either hidden away or completely separate .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: Yep {vocalsound} and that's the presentation .UserInterface: Voila .Project Manager: Okay good , that's very clear .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah very clear .Project Manager: 'Kay . Um . Uh{disfmarker}Marketing: So does anyone have any comments or ideas on that ? I think you {disfmarker}Project Manager: Maybe we yes well we maybe{vocalsound} can decide later on um {vocalsound} the l the the look and feel of uh I've {disfmarker} it was a good idea maybe to to {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: To let the people choose , {gap} you mean ?Project Manager: Yes the the the there are changeable covers ,Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager:but on the other hand I I don't know whether my superiors would be so glad with it because {vocalsound} you have to introduce a complete uh uh new l line ofuh of suppliesMarketing: Hmm .Project Manager: uh it would be uh very complicated uh organisational {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:Well we're selling so many units of this . This is gonna be a mass marketed product , we can afford to have two or three different designs at least .ProjectManager: Hmm . Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Yeah a range of uh yeah , a set of three , four different aspects .Marketing: Mm mm .Project Manager: Yes .Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Sure that fits the {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yes {gap} and of course it will be a we we get a {disfmarker} if itworks we can get uh after-salesMarketing: Mm .Project Manager: I mean that would {gap} would be very good I mean those covers could go for for three , fiveEuro {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: That's a very good idea um {disfmarker} And then uh maybe uh we can go a thMatthew's presentation becauseUser Interface: YeahMarketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: sProject Manager: the {disfmarker}User Interface: then we coulddiscuss later like {disfmarker} we can put all ideas together .Project Manager: Together indeed uh ,Marketing: Mm .User Interface: It should be easier with that.Project Manager: because you ma might have some some information on the the easy to use ,Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah I agree .Marketing: Mm-hmm ,yeah .Project Manager: what you were already mentioning .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:And your part is very related to mineUser Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: because when you suggest something then it has to be integrated inside .UserInterface: Yeah so {vocalsound} I'll I'll go with that actuallyMarketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: so um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Okay so m so {vocalsound}then the the idea of uh having a remote is generally you have uh different keys and uh different structures , different forms , and uh they could be like buttonsand um they could be of uh a varying sizes if you want to to uh basically emphasize a particular key more than the other , and uh maybe like you can havedifferent colours for example having the r red for the on off switching on and off the button . So this this is the general trend to ha the method they do .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: So what I have found was that uh currently uh the {gap} they are mostly that theT_V_ , V_C_R_ , music system operated ones actually , and they are very specific to each other , but there are some common keys for example if you want to"}
{"doc_id":"doc_150","qid":"","text":"Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I'm proud of it . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . This is our final meeting , the detaileddesign meeting . And again I'll take minutes . The {disfmarker} what we have to get through in this meeting is firstly the prototype presentation from you two ,so you can show us what you've been working on so diligently .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: It does look very cool .Project Manager: Um thenIndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} then Cat's going to present the evaluation criteria that we're going to be evaluating this against .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Then I need to say some st a few things about finance , 'cause we have to check that it's within the finance criteria . Umand then we'll be making sure that our product fits both the evaluation criteria from Cat and the financial limits . Um and then we uh will have a brief evaluationof the whole process of production and design that we've been through . So we've got forty minutes . SMarketing: And then do we get to make a remote control?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} 'Cause we missed out .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .ProjectManager: SoIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: it's now {disfmarker} I guess that we're supposed to start at fifteen thirty five , so we've gotuntil four fifteen .Industrial Designer: Uh-huh . How how much do we have , forty minutes ?Project Manager: Is that right ?User Interface: Yeah , about fourfifteen , yeah .Project Manager: Yeah ,Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: until about four fifteen . So yeah . {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Okay , so .Project Manager: Go for it . Do you want {disfmarker}User Interface: So , you said um {disfmarker} are are we starting withthe the {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yes .Industrial Designer: Presentation .User Interface: so will you maybe start with like the mm the shape and things andand then I will explain the the user interface th uh things , like the buttons and the scrolling things and {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay .{vocalsound} Okay . So um basically going with our trend of vegetables and {vocalsound} {disfmarker} we selected the colour and approximate shape of banana.Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} You think bananas are a safe thing to use ?Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: It's a bit um phallic .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Um{disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Well , but it's it's just an a approximation . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Dual use ,perfect .Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Dual use , perfect .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Oh , {vocalsound}{gap} your remote control ? Oh that's just bad . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Does it vibrate when you press the buttons ?Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Um so basically it's the it's the flip open thing again .Project Manager: Sorry , sorry .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So now wewe have the {disfmarker} okay ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: so Ma Maarika will explain you the user interface there . And it flips open on theside , so it opens like that . And we have the user interface o in hereProject Manager: Mm-hmm . Wow .Industrial Designer: and uh {vocalsound} the the L_C_D_and and the scroll are inside . Um well , everything else is probably user interface , so . Yeah , yeah .Project Manager: And it's {disfmarker} the whole thing'smade of rubber , is that {disfmarker}User Interface: Uh yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Oh yeah . Yeah , it has , yeah .User Interface: Rubber.Marketing: Is it to scale , or do you think you can make it a bit smaller ?User Interface: Yeah , {gap} . Um it could be made a bit smaller , and and of course itwould be {gap} and {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound} yeah , but um one thing we actually kind of um forgot while designing , that oneside was supposed to be rounder ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah ,User Interface: so we said the back side round , yeah .Industrial Designer: well , but isince it's made of rubber anyway . I I think it's it's uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: It l does look like the {gap} curvyUser Interface: Yeah.Marketing: and then the whole shape's curvy , so I would say that this curvy does look quite like a vegetable .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah.Industrial Designer: Mm . Hmm .User Interface: Yeah . And it's spongy as well . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Iwasn't very keen on that , but yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: So {vocalsound} so uh the user interface as as we discussedlast time uh mm on on the {vocalsound} on the cover we just have the very basic things .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Huh . Mm-hmm.User Interface: So we have that n uh channels here starting from um uh one two three {disfmarker} there would be numbers in in the {disfmarker} on theactual one .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: So it's four , up to four , up to seven , up to nine and zero , z zero here .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Sixseven eight nine . I like that .User Interface: Yeah . And then , well this is on off button . It's it's quite standard mm place for it and and also the colour is quiteoften red , so it's it's kind of user friendly .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: And then these ones would be for flipping the channels back and {disfmarker}like the previous one and the next one .Project Manager: Uh-huh .User Interface: And and we would also have a l little um thing saying here , previous and neprevon prevon next .Marketing: So where's the volume ?Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: The volume is is scrolling .Industrial Designer: It's on the side.User Interface: On the side ,Marketing: Ah , you did get that in then ,User Interface: this one . Yeah you just do it like this .Marketing: mm-hmm .User Interface:And and and it's it's on the back is mm cover or back lid , because if you flip it open , you can still do the scrolling here .Marketing: Oh okay , {gap} .ProjectManager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: See ? So the volume is {vocalsound} you just scroll , but then once you flip it open , {vocalsound} okay , there there youhave the screenProject Manager: Yeah .User Interface: and and you have the mm {vocalsound} spinning wheel with options to choose .Project Manager:Mm-hmm .User Interface: You can move back and forth and then if you need to m choose something on the screen , you just push the cen mm the middle button.Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Cool . Oh , the thing we forgot was like a mute button .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Uh no , we we'd not put {gap}{vocalsound} {disfmarker}User Interface: A mute button .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: so on on the cover we have the the bare essentials .UserInterface: Well , {gap} we'll have this on the screen , on the display .Project Manager: Y or you could have it {disfmarker} so you {disfmarker} on the wheel ifyou {disfmarker}Marketing: On the wheel , like if you hold the wheel down then it will mute .Industrial Designer: Uh on the L_C_D_ we r you know , the mainmenu will have various options .User Interface: Well , but the but the mute {disfmarker} yeah , the scrolling is kind of you have to scroll all the way to make itmute , right ?Project Manager: But if you hold it in ,Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: Yeah , but it's a scroll and click , isn't it ?Project Manager: if it's a scrolland click so you hold it in ?Marketing: Okay , cool .User Interface: Okay , yeah , okay .Marketing: So that {gap} that solves the whole mute issue .IndustrialDesigner: Mm .User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound} And okay , so i so the the voice recognition is also just part of it .Project Manager: {gap} no .User Interface:You can't really see it in the interface .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah , it's hidden in there somewhere .User Interface: Yeah . And we do have the logoon it as well .Project Manager: Mm-hmm , very good .User Interface: So I think it {disfmarker}Project Manager: And it's {disfmarker} {vocalsound} with the theblack and yellow you're even in the right colours .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: {gap} .Industrial Designer: Cool .User Interface: Yeah , I think um we coulddo l the logo in grey , as it is on the website .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} We ran out of resources here , so .{vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: In the actual one .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: You can have a look . {vocalsound}User Interface: So if you have questions .Project Manager: Very good , let's have a look.User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Test it out . {vocalsound}Marketing: {gap} . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh it's a sort of intermediate colour , I guess .Marketing: Yeah , oh , we hold the remote .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Marketing: Oh , but it it does feel all cold and slimy .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: I hatePlay-Do , it's just minging .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: But yeah , uh that's cool , cool .Project Manager: Very good .Marketing: Mm-hmm.Project Manager: Okay , so maybe if we go on to evaluation cri criteriaMarketing: Okay .Project Manager: and then we'll there {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:Yeah , see the budget .Project Manager: I suspect we're gonna have a couple of minor finance issues , but um we'll se I'm sure we can get around them somehow.Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: We'll just send all of our manufacturing to some nice poorcountryIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: and cut some of the prices that way .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Wales .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Wales , for example . {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm . Cool , okay . Right , okay . {vocalsound}{vocalsound} Fabulous ,Project Manager: Marketing Expert .Marketing: yeah . Okay , cool . So what we're gonna do is prefer {disfmarker} prepare the evaluationof the new design . {vocalsound} Um so we're gonna be using a seven point scale ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: so one is , you know , yes , it totallymeets with that requirement and seven is , no , it really doesn't , we need to go back and start again . Um , you know . Basically , what I did was I went throughall the like user requirements and things that we've done and we've worked on and like made a list of them . Um you know , so that we can evaluate each oneand like {disfmarker} so it was about going back to the start and saying oh yeah , we did manage to do that , or oh no , we really forgot about that .UserInterface: Yeah .Marketing: Okay ?Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Cool , so these are what they are . Oh {disfmarker}Project Manager: So for each of"}
{"doc_id":"doc_151","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: SoMarketing: So {disfmarker}Project Manager: I hope you're ready for this uh functional design meeting .Marketing: Of course .{vocalsound}Project Manager: Um so I will take the minutes you mm you three are going to do presentation . Um uh we want to know {disfmarker} to{disfmarker} at the end to know the new project's requirement so we need uh to know the the user uh needs that we want to fulfil to fulfil the {disfmarker} fromthe technical part we want to know how it going to work and um third part {vocalsound} uh I don't remember {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Project Manager: which is not very good . Ah of course , how to to design this uh this {disfmarker}Marketing: Nice stuff {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} yeah . So um let's go for the three presentations , so first um Marketing Expert .Marketing: {vocalsound} Who starts ? {vocalsound} Oh .Ha . okay .Project Manager: So wait a minute . Mm .Marketing: So I dunno if I can do that like this ? Yeah ? So it's being modified . Do you want {disfmarker}yeah , open . Read only . I hope I saved it . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: So , umUser Interface: Sammy Benjo . I know this nameuh .Marketing: yeah , this is my name . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Sounds uh {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} We met before.Marketing: So as you know , you {disfmarker} I think you already know me , Sammy Benjo . I am the expert in marketing and I want to tell you about whatpeople uh s want and uh like and dislike in remote controls , and I hope this is going to help you to to design it correctly . So next please . Uh-oh .{vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm {vocalsound} uh .Industrial Designer: Yeah , it is put F_ five {gap} .Project Manager: Hmm .Marketing: {vocalsound} Hmm.Industrial Designer: The full page presentation , yep .Marketing: Yeah maybe in the full pageProject Manager: Okay .User Interface: F_ F_ five .Marketing:because i I spent lots of time doing this presentation , so .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yep .Project Manager: F_ five .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Uh-huhhmm okay .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Mm .Marketing: So basically uh what I suggest is that uh instead of deciding ourself what what could be and what shouldbe a good uh remote control , let's ask people who are users of remote controls how they feel about w the current remote controls , what they like , what theydon't like and um and what they do with them by the way {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: because they are supposed to be useful .{vocalsound} Don't forget about that . So we've we've conducted a a survey on on the use of uh remote controls and I'd like to show you some of the results wefound on this survey . And next please . Yeah , so basically what we found was that uh there are several things that the user don't like in remote controls . First ofall , they find it very ugly . {vocalsound} Current remote controls as you know they're the same as this one uh they're not nice colour , not nice shape , I meanthey're all the same , and they're not l good looking . Um what is interesting is that in fact it seems that they were {disfmarker} people are ready to pay for niceand look {disfmarker} and fancy looking uh remote control , so I think we should probably spend lots of time in {disfmarker} and effort in that um . And theother thing is that uh the the current remote controls are not so easy to use and it it {disfmarker} the the current uh facilities that they offer do not match whatpeople really want to use their remote controls . For instance uh we see that uh they zap very often so I think this is a very uh important uh functionality that itshould be easy for them to to zap uh in one way or another . And most of the buttons uh on uh current remote controls are not used , so I think we should designsomething where some of the buttons which are those that are used should be easier to see and use than others that only a couple of people are using . Um nextplease . {vocalsound} Now {vocalsound} people are very frustrated w with their {vocalsound} remote controlsIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Marketing: and they for instance uh they don't even find it {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: it's {vocalsound} it's often lostsomewhere in the in the {disfmarker} in your home and nobody knows where it is .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Agree .Marketing: Maybe if we havesomething where we could {vocalsound} ask the remote control please , where are you ?Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} Like uh something to to {disfmarker} like t I think phones . Some of the phones have some of this kindof s functionality . Uh of course phone you can always phone your phoneProject Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: but {vocalsound} you can't phone your{vocalsound} your remote control .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} You can {disfmarker} you are {gap} .Project Manager: Why not ? {vocalsound}Marketing:But why not ? Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: And because of the fact that there are so many buttons in these remote controls that nobodyuse ,Industrial Designer: Hmm .Marketing: in fact they don't even know how to use them , so most of the the people say they they don't know how to{disfmarker} they {disfmarker} to use properly their r remote controls . And uh they are bad for R_S_I_ but uh I don't remember what is R_S_I_ .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay uh tha that's look great .Marketing: {vocalsound} So I think theyare bad . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} R_S_I_ mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm-hmm . Mm nobody hasany idea about that ? Well I'll check uh with myIndustrial Designer: Yeah , it's electromagnetic waves or something kind of maybe uh effect .Marketing: Oh , okay,User Interface: No , I don't think so .Marketing: I think it's a technical thingIndustrial Designer: Yeah ,Marketing: which our {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:because infrared uses some electromagnetic technology ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Okay .Marketing: Okay .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: andthose waves have high {disfmarker}Marketing: So , it seems that {vocalsound} it's a lot of people for a concept that we don't know {vocalsound}User Interface:But twenty six percent , do you know {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Or something we don't know . {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh .User Interface: Twenty five . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh .Marketing: but we have to take this into account .UserInterface: Every fourth , you know . {vocalsound} Every four {disfmarker} some of us knows .Industrial Designer: Yeah it's {disfmarker} People really{vocalsound} {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .Marketing: So anywayUser Interface: One of us{disfmarker}Marketing: that's for what the biggest frustration uh of the user and umIndustrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah .Marketing: what else do I have ? Next slide? Ah yeah .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Marketing: So we've listed a couple of uhUser Interface: Functions .Marketing: s uh functions that may be uh used by u theuser in the current uh available uh remote controls and uh well the tables look very nice to read but what is important is to understand that the power button isnot used often because in general you {vocalsound} use it only once per session , but it is very relevant . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing:People want to have a power button . Channel selection is uh o often used {disfmarker} very often used and indeed uh very relevant .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Ah {vocalsound} now I remember what is R_S_I_ {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: it's repetitivitystress injury . {vocalsound} We have to be careful with that word but {vocalsound} uh anywayIndustrial Designer: Uh .Marketing: I continue my presentation so{disfmarker} yeah ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: channel selection is um very important , very often used . Volume is not often used but people uhwant to have control on volume and that makes sense of course . And n then you have things which are very much less often used like the settings . Audiosettings , screen settings , even teletext and channel settings . All of them . they're not often used and they are s more or less relevant . It seems that people findteletext teletext uh relevant , even if I personally never use it but seems that it's average relevant at least , so .Project Manager: I have been told that we uhdon't consider teletext , that it's out of date now because of internet .Marketing: I can tell you that uh in a l in a scale between one and ten relevant uh notrelevant to relevant people scored a six on this , which is not as uh these these two one were {disfmarker} had I think ten I think .Project Manager: Mm-hmm.Marketing: But but if you compare with these ones , uh I think they scored a one or two .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Marketing: Not very relevant , so if if thereare good reason not to put teletext it's okay but just know that people find it somehow relevant .Project Manager: Mm-hmmUser Interface: Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Marketing: That's for the main functions I think and uh then we can ask uh ourself uh what people don't have that may be useful . Forinstance I think {disfmarker} net next slide . {vocalsound} One of the thing {disfmarker} the trend uh that uh you are probably aware of is the possibility{disfmarker} the eventual possibility of having speech recognition in your remote control , so you wouldn't have to tap tap in your buttons but just tell yourremote control or whatever you need you have what you want . So we've conducted a survey about uh whether people would like or not to have uh this kind of uhfunctionality in their remote control and as we can see it really depends on the age . Young people , probably because it's a buzz word , find it very relevant . Anduh as the age goes up {vocalsound} the {vocalsound} the relevance goes down .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} So now itreally depends on the kind of uh targeting uh wha who are we targeting with this remote control ?Industrial Designer: 'Cause {disfmarker}Marketing: I think if weare targeting young people then uh it's probably something we have to consider . If we are targeting you very old people this is something they really don't knowwhy they {disfmarker} this should be so nowProject Manager: Mm-mm . Okay .Marketing: this is of course , depends on that . And um I don't have anyconclusion , I didn't have time the meeting was very tight , so that's basically my findings . And uh , if you have any question ?Project Manager: Mm I think it'sgood , okay . You done a good review .User Interface: I got one question ,Marketing: I can go back .Industrial Designer: Thank you .Marketing: Yeah onequestion ,User Interface: uh you are a Market ExpertMarketing: yeah ?User Interface: soMarketing: I am . {vocalsound}User Interface: should we aim at the"}
{"doc_id":"doc_152","qid":"","text":"The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota (NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)): I call this meeting to order. Welcome to the 12th meeting of the House of Commons SpecialCommittee on the COVID-19 Pandemic. This will be the first hybrid meeting of the committee. Some members will be participating via videoconference and somewill be participating in person. This follows the order made by the House on May26,2020. Members who have already participated in a virtual meeting of thespecial committee may actually not notice any change, except for the fact that some members are also participating from the floor of the House. An additionalrubric, that of statements by members, was also added to the proceedings of the committee. In order to ensure that those joining the meeting via videoconference can be seen and heard by those in the chamber, two screens have been set up in the chamber on either side of the Speakers chair. Soundamplification for virtual interventions will be available, and members in the chamber can listen to the floor sound or interpretation using the earpieces on theirdesks. Before speaking, please wait until I recognize you by name. Please also direct your remarks through the Chair. Thank you. For those of you joining viavideo conference, I would like to remind you to leave your mike on mute when you are not speaking. Also, please note that if you want to speak in English, youshould be on the English channel. If you want to speak French, you should be on the French channel. Should you wish to alternate between the two languages,you should change the channel to the language that you are speaking each time you switch languages. Should members participating by videoconference need torequest the floor outside their designated speaking times, they should activate their microphone and state that they have a point of order. Those in the chambercan simply rise in the usual way. Please note that today's proceedings will be televised in the same way as a typical sitting of the House. Next we'll move on toministerial announcements. I understand that there are no ministerial announcements today, so we'll move on to petitions. We'll be presenting petitions for aperiod not exceeding 15 minutes. I would like to remind members that any petition presented during a meeting of the special committee must have already beencertified by the clerk of petitions. For members participating in person, we ask that they please come and drop the signed certificates off at the table once thepetitions are presented. First on our list for presenting petitions is Ms. May, who is joining us virtually.Ms. Elizabeth May (SaanichGulf Islands, GP): Mr. Chair,what an honour to be the first voice coming to you from the screens on either side of the Speaker of the House. I speak to you from SaanichGulf Islands on thetraditional territory of the WSNEC people. Hych'ka Siem. I'm presenting a petition, number 431-00215, and it has been certified. The petitioners call on thisHouse to take note of the fact that Canada is the only country with a universal health care system that does not include the provision of necessary prescriptionmedications. They note that the system across Canada is a patchwork that leaves three million Canadians unprepared and uninsured to be able to purchasenecessary medications. They call on the House assembled to put in place a system of universal national pharmacare, bringing down the cost of drugs through bulkpurchasing. I think I'll call that a summary, Mr. Chair. Thank you very much.The Chair: The next petition will be presented by Mr. Genuis.Mr. Garnett Genuis(Sherwood ParkFort Saskatchewan, CPC): Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. I'm pleased to be presenting two petitions before the committee today. The firstpetition is in support of Bill S-204. This Senate public bill, been put forward by Senator Salma Ataullahjan in the Senate, would make it a criminal offence forsomeone to go abroad to receive an organ for which there has not been consent. It also has a mechanism by which somebody could be deemed inadmissible toCanada for being involved in the horrible practice of forced organ harvesting and trafficking. This bill has been before various Parliaments for over 10 years, andpetitioners are hopeful that this Parliament will be the one that finally takes action to address forced organ harvesting and trafficking. The second petition is putforward by folks who are concerned about Bill C-7, particularly the efforts by the government through Bill C-7 to remove vital safeguards that are currentlyassociated with Canada's euthanasia regime. Petitioners are not happy about the fact that the government is trying to eliminate the 10-day reflection period andremove other safeguards that only four short years ago the government thought were essential for the euthanasia and assisted suicide system that they wereputting in place. The petitioners call on the government to address that, and they are not supportive of these particular efforts to remove vital safeguards fromthat regime. Thank you very much.The Chair: Is anyone else presenting petitions? Seeing none, we'll move on to statements by members. We will now proceedto Statements by Members for a period not exceeding 15minutes. Each statement will be for one minute. The first will be from Mr.Samson. Mr.Samson, you havethe floor.Mr. Darrell Samson (SackvillePrestonChezzetcook, Lib.): Good afternoon, everyone. It's an honour to be presenting an S. O. 31. This spring has been adifficult one for Nova Scotia and the communities of SackvillePrestonChezzetcook. While residents have banded together to tackle the challenges presented byCOVID-19, we have also had to mourn the passing of three remarkable local women: RCMP Constable Heidi Stevenson, well known by many in Cole Harbour andthe surrounding areas; our own Sub-Lieutenant Abbigail Cowbrough, who was based out of 12 Wing Shearwater; and Captain Jenn Casey of the Canadian ForcesSnowbirds. All three women died in the line of duty in separate tragic events while serving our country. These three brave women, who served with honour onland, at sea and in the air, represent the absolute best of us. Heidi, Abbigail and Jenn were inspirational and will not be forgotten. Thank you.The Chair: Next we'llgo to Mr. Bezan.Mr. James Bezan (SelkirkInterlakeEastman, CPC): Thank you, Mr. Chair. Canada needs a prime minister who will create jobs and opportunity, butinstead we have a prime minister who is piling up crippling national debt. Yesterday the PBO predicted the federal deficit this year will hit over $252 billion. That isalmost equivalent to an average year of government spending before the Liberal government. After five years with this debt, Prime Minister, Canada's nationaldebt is set to hit $1 trillion, with almost nothing to show for it. Industries from coast to coast are either closed or are struggling. Canadian workers need anddeserve a prime minister who supports our energy sector and gets our natural resources and agriculture products to market, who supports small business and willmake our tax system encourage job creation and growth, and who will bring advanced manufacturing jobs to Canada and keep the automotive industry growing.Most importantly, we need a Conservative prime minister who will get the government finances under control after the massive debt left by this primeminister.The Chair: Next we'll go to Mr. Anandasangaree.Mr. Gary Anandasangaree (ScarboroughRouge Park, Lib.): Mr. Chair, I speak today with a very heavyheart. Since the COVID-19 outbreak, we've seen a disproportionate number of deaths in long-term care homes. I'm thankful for the Canadian Armed Forces whowere deployed to the Altamont care home in my riding and four other facilities across the GTA. The CAF have brought forward horrifying allegations in theoperation of these homes. They include residents being given expired or improper doses of medication; not being cleaned or changed for a prolonged period oftime; being forcibly fed, causing choking; being bed-bound for weeks; receiving inadequate nutrition, and much more. Mr. Chair, I call upon Premier Ford to placethese five homes under a mandatory management order and to appoint a third party manager to address and rectify these violations. I also call upon the Premierto undertake an independent public inquiry into the tragedy we face in long-term care facilities across Ontario. Finally, Mr. Chair, we need to work with theprovinces and territories to set national standards of care for the most vulnerable in our society. We can and must do better. Thank you, Mr. Chair.The Chair: Wehave a point of order. Go ahead, Ms. May.Ms. Elizabeth May: Thank you, Mr. Chair. I hesitate to interrupt colleagues, but I'm concerned about the petitionpractice, which, as I understand it, is to summarize a petition but not make a speech. I felt one of our colleagues was trespassing on our usual rules.The Chair: Iwill remind honourable members that when a petition is presented, we're expected to give a prcis and make it as concise as possible. Thank you. Mr.Champoux,you have the floor.Mr. Martin Champoux (Drummond, BQ): Mr.Chair, I would like to recognize the resilience of Quebeckers concerned for their jobs or theirbusinesses during the COVID-19 crisis. They need us to plan for after the crisis, and we must do so now. To do so, we need the proper information. We need toknow the status of the public finances. That is why the Bloc Qubcois is demanding that the government present an economic update, and that it do so beforeJune17. This is not about making a spectacle. Everyone knows that the deficit will be huge. We had to provide the people with support and we all agree on that.But we have to know to what extent. We also have to know where we are starting from so that we can plan where we are going. This is about respecting thepublic, because they are the ones who will be paying the bill. In closing, I would like to remind the government that one group is not really contributing to thepublic purse at the moment. I am talking about the tech giants, the GAFAM group, that have never before been used to the extent that they are now, and that arestill not paying a cent in tax in Canada. The Liberals promised to correct this injustice. Now is a great time for them to do so.The Chair: We'll now go to Ms.Sidhu.Ms. Sonia Sidhu (Brampton South, Lib.): Mr. Chair, this week is National Paramedic Services Week. I want to take this opportunity to thank the Peel regionpolice, paramedic and firefighting services for keeping Bramptonians safe. In my riding, organizations have stepped up to help our community. Organizations suchas the Khalsa Aid Society, the Interfaith Council of Peel, the Brampton YMCA, the Prayer Stone Peoples Church, Unity in the Community, Ste. Louise OutreachCentre, Knights Table, the Yogi Divine Society, Vraj Community Service, Regeneration Brampton and many more have made our community stronger during thisdifficult time. I also have to address the report that came out yesterday from our brave Canadian Armed Forces. Like many Canadians, I was shocked by thisreport from the long-term care centres, including one in my riding. The examples of abuse described in the report are unacceptable. Our seniors deserve dignityand respect. We must find a solution. We need to fix this.The Chair: We'll now go to Mrs. Stubbs.Mrs. Shannon Stubbs (Lakeland, CPC): Mr. Chair, Canada's oil"}
{"doc_id":"doc_153","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay . So welcome back .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: What do {gap} {disfmarker} do we have to do ? {vocalsound}Marketing:{gap} .Project Manager: So first . I want to say I'm the secretary , so I make the minutes . You find them in your {disfmarker} in the map in the From the group. There's the minutes from the first meeting . You'll find the next minutes also there . Then {vocalsound} I wanna hear from you , what you've done . And afterthat I have some new product requirements . So {disfmarker} And after that we have to make decisions , what we will do . And then we're ready . We have fortyminutes for this meeting . After that we'll have lunch . So first I wanna ask the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Industrial Designer to tell what he did . So{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: That's my task . Okay . Uh I've {disfmarker} Where have I put it ? My Documents or not ? Hmm . I've save it on my computer ,my presentation .Project Manager: Yeah on your computer , or the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: But where ?Project Manager: What's the name ?IndustrialDesigner: Uh uh uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: What's the name of it ?Industrial Designer: It was about the working of the remote control .Project Manager:It's the technical function or the functional requirements .Industrial Designer: Nope .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Not a {gap} of{disfmarker} Wait . The working design . But I've saved it .Project Manager: Working design .Industrial Designer: But now I don't know where it is . Hmm.Project Manager: Working design . What is this ? Product documents .Industrial Designer: Yeah . And I import this until {disfmarker}Project Manager: On thedesktop . Up . {gap} up . Up . Up .Industrial Designer: One more .Project Manager: Up .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yes . My Documents .Nope .Industrial Designer: What the fuck is this ?Project Manager: Gone . {vocalsound} Well you {disfmarker} Um {disfmarker} Nah . Nah , nah , nah .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Project Manager: PowerPoint . Working design .Industrial Designer: Yeah that's the empty one .Project Manager: {vocalsound} And{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: I had one .Project Manager: Presentation of working design .Industrial Designer: Uh-huh . Open it . Okay here it is .ProjectManager: Save as {gap} .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh it's {disfmarker}Marketing: Desktop .Project Manager: Project {gap} .IndustrialDesigner: Project .Marketing: Yeah . Okay . Well .Project Manager: Save .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: Very good .Industrial Designer: A little laterbut here it is .Marketing: {gap}Project Manager: Okay . So {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So okay . It's a little difficultwhat I'm gonna tell you . It's about the working of the remote control . I just had an half an hour j to study itUser Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:and {vocalsound} I don't get it .Marketing: {vocalsound} Make it .Project Manager: Now have ten minutes to tell it .Industrial Designer: Ten minutes to tell it .Okay . I think it will be a few minutes and {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: First uh I will tell you something about the findings , what Idiscovered about the remote control . The working bout it {disfmarker} uh of it . Uh then I'll have uh some kind of map , and it's the top of the remote control .With a little bit of science , uh you {disfmarker} I will show that uh in in a few minutes . And then uh what I'll think about it . First , the findings . The remotecontrol is a very difficult uh thing to uh to explain to just all of you wh who haven't seen a remote control uh inside . Uh there's a lot of uh plastic on it ,Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: um because its uh not so expensive . And there are uh a lot of uh wires , uh which um connect the components in it , thebattery , and there are um switches and things like that . There's a lot of small uh electronics . So it won't be um uh too expensive to build it . Only twelve Eurofifty I think uh we will make it . Now {gap} {disfmarker} And here I have the top of the remote control . Uh here's some kind of chip . Uh on top of this , thereare uh the numbers . Uh you have all on your remote control . And uh the teletext uh button . And uh here's the battery . And when you push the button , it willuh will be sent to the chip . And the chip will um send it to all kind of sub-components . That's what I said , it's very difficult .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And after that it will be sent to the infrared . And that will send it to your television . That's a short h uh how it works . Uh Ithink I can uh make it uh difficult , but we all {vocalsound} we all don't get it . My preferences ? It's uh {disfmarker} it won't be uh {disfmarker} We shouldn'tmake it too big . Uh also for the cost , uh we should only put one battery on it . A long-lasting battery . Uh also for the cost , uh use only plastic . Not othermaterials . Also because of the cost , uh not too much buttons on it . We can also make uh a button uh with a {gap} {disfmarker} menu uh button . And then umthat that you will see it on the T_V_ . And on the T_V_ you can uh switch into the menu .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: That's {disfmarker} Ithink it's easier . And the bleep signal , y uh you told us . Uh but we can also use it uh a bleep like something , when the battery's empty , then there is a bleep .Then you'll have to change it in a in a week or something . And also the bleep , when {disfmarker} what I told you about uh when you lost it , and you push abutton , and then you hear bleep bleep , and we will find it . This is uh just uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh oh . Two questions .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Yeah .Project Manager: The battery . You say one battery is cheaper . Why ?Industrial Designer: If we w if we use only just one uh small pen-light , then it will becheaper than when we use two .Project Manager: Yeah but when you use two , you can use it two times longer .Industrial Designer: Yeah but then we'll have tomake the um remote control uh long lasting .Project Manager: Okay so it's the size of the remote control .Industrial Designer: {gap} Just {disfmarker} Yeah.Project Manager: Okay and the buttons . When you use it on the television , you've {disfmarker} you need the television , wh which can use it .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah . But uh I think this {disfmarker} our remote control is for the televisions we uh we sell in our company ?Project Manager: Okay .IndustrialDesigner: Or is it also for other company {disfmarker} uh for other televisions ?Project Manager: I think we have to use it also on other televisions though.Industrial Designer: Then this is an option . {vocalsound}Project Manager: So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Maybe just a menu button to use it on ourtelevisions . And then we make it easier uh for our televisions . And on the other tele televisions , you can also use it , but then we won't use theProject Manager:Yeah but I don't {disfmarker} I think it {disfmarker} {vocalsound} They are two different things though . We have to choose one . It has to work on o uh alltelevisions .User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer: Yeah ? Okay . Then I think uh the menu button uh will only work on the newer televisions . And we will uhlook forward and don't make a remote control which for the older televisions .Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: And I just uh haveone more idea . Uh maybe it's one of your tasks . But {disfmarker} Uh , to have a trendy remote control , we can also um make something like the Nokia ummobile phones . To change covers . So if you have uh a trendy half with all red , uh yellow and something . And then you can put a red cover on it .Marketing:Hmm .Industrial Designer: And also different things .Project Manager: Yeah . Good idea .Industrial Designer: Yes .Marketing: Will this will this add to the cost?Industrial Designer: Uh then it won't be {disfmarker} uh will have just one cover on the uh original one . And then you can buy the covers .Marketing: Yes butyou have to m uh be able to change it . D does it make it more difficult to design ?Industrial Designer: I think it will be a little more difficult , but not too much.Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Not much . 'Kay .Industrial Designer: Just like with the Nokia uh mobile phones .Project Manager: Yeah but there aremuch more Nokia telephones than um these ones .Industrial Designer: Just one .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah but then we'll have toto just um put five covers on it , and see if it works . If it won't works then we'll get something else . Then we uh won't g uh go further with it .Project Manager:Yeah but are their profits bigger than their cost ?Industrial Designer: Uh a p a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a cover made in uh in China , it it won't be I guess soexpensive I think .Project Manager: Yeah but there are also design cost . I don't think {disfmarker} When you have a remote control , do you change the cover ?Would you change the cover ?Industrial Designer: Maybe . I wi I won't .Project Manager: No .Industrial Designer: But maybe I think trendy people or like childrenwhere you can paint on it , and uh the the children think , oh this is my remote control , uh I made a picture on it . Uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: N yeah but{disfmarker} I think that too less people would change it for good profit . So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah . Okay . And the other people ? What do youthink about it ? {vocalsound}Marketing: Um {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah it's a good idea . But {disfmarker} If if it {disfmarker} Yeah , I don't {disfmarker}I'm not sure if it will make profit enough to uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: But it's uh yeah it's uh original idea. {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yes it is but I don't think we have to do it .User Interface: No .Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer:You're the Project Manager . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yes . That's it.Project Manager: That's clear . {vocalsound} Okay thank you . So now the User Interface Designer .User Interface: Oh . That's me . Uh {disfmarker} Come on .{gap} . Ah .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Yes well uh uh I shall give a short talk about the the technical function design .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Um I thought the the the technical function design was uh to uh {disfmarker} for a remote control to to to have someinfluence on the T_V_ set . Uh both audio and vide video uh in a cordless way . No cords attached . And uh well , it all by pushing a button on the remote . Thatwas from my own experience and uh and uh the previous meeting . Uh I find some uh some interesting quotes on the web . Uh well the same idea here . Uhmessage to the television . And uh and and and well basic uh operations like on and off , and uh switching channels , and uh {disfmarker} and maybe uh teletextor something like that . Uh well these are two uh remotes , and that's our uh our dilemma I think . Uh {disfmarker} We just heard from the Industrial Designerhow uh difficult it is . But uh shall we make a basic remote control , uh just uh swapping channels and volume and uh power button and well nothing much more ."}
{"doc_id":"doc_154","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay uh Agnes , you can help me for the slide when {gap}User Interface: Yep . Sure .Project Manager: okay . Okay , welcome back . I hope uhyou have a fresh head and a fresh time . How t now the meeting actually we gathering here to discuss about the functional design meeting . Okay , and uh we'llissue some information from uh all of you . And it's in the , I think uh , in the sharing folder . And uh I will invite uh the Christine and the Ed and uh Agnes todiscuss about on the various subjects . So can you go to the next slide ? Yeah uh the agenda of the meeting is opening . Then uh I'm going to talk about uh theproject management , what I'm going to do , and uh , of course , I'm doing the project management and secretary both , okay , to take the minutes of themeeting . And there are three presentations . One is uh new project requirements . And the second one about uh decision on remote control functions . And uhfinally we are closing . Uh and the meeting time will be uh forty minutes , so you have to be very quick . And I have come up with the {disfmarker} managementcome with the new proposal , okay , and I have to discuss a few points on this . Uh both says new insights in the aim of your project . Uh the one is uh theteletext becomes uh outmoded , okay because if uh because of the computer systems and the new technology . So we don't need to consider really about theteletext all in our new project design . And the second one is about uh the remote control . Should be used only for the T_V_ . That's what our uh managementsays . And the third point , it's very very important to establish our uh marketing or uh corporate image , okay , with this new project or new product . Okay .{vocalsound} So I will invite uh {disfmarker} Agnes , can you go to the third slide ?User Interface: No , this is the third slide .Project Manager: Okay , {gap} . So, I'll invite uh Christine to discuss about uh the functional design .Industrial Designer: 'Kay , do you wanna open the {disfmarker}User Interface: Sure . Um .You're participant sIndustrial Designer: I'm number two .User Interface: Two ?Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: That's it .User Interface: Doyou want the mouse , or do you want me to {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: I'll do the notes . Yeah , thanks .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:So um well I I figured uh we should um identify some user requirements , and from my experience , I wanna uh , and from {vocalsound} research I did , uh thethe device has to turn the television on and off the first time you press on the big button , you can't uh can't have like uh waffling on this point , you know .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Really have {disfmarker} It needs to be able y y have to be able to find it . Because one of the biggest problems withremote controls is finding them . So uh , I also , since we have to establish our corporate image on the basis of this new product , thought we better look at thingsthat are popular and um ex go beyond those , and , as I said in the first meeting , um {vocalsound} and then uh we might wanna talk eventually about thematerials that are appropriate to use in uh in the construction , especially in the the uh the outside of the productProject Manager: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: so that it gives the appearance , and it is reliable , and so forth . {vocalsound} I did a little history on uh the the uh remote controls and when theywere invented and so forth , so , I guess this guy Zenith uh created the Flashmatic , which I kinda like the idea , 'cause it made me think of um um maybe theremote control made a big flash when uh you turn the T_V_ on and off , that might be interesting . And um {vocalsound} so it was highly directional flash lightthat uh you could turn the picture on and off , and the sound on and off , and change channels c so I think um those are still requirements we have today , uhfifty years later .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: And uh it was really a pioneering innovation , but it was uhsensitive to the sun , so that uh it would get {disfmarker} would start off by the {disfmarker} you'd get {disfmarker} it would easily cause um problems . So , uhI {disfmarker} in addition to uh looking at the um {vocalsound} uh the functional requir so all these devices are examples of where uh mm {disfmarker} they{vocalsound} represent examples that are available today {vocalsound} {vocalsound} which I think the one in the middle is r um really uh something to keep inmind .Marketing: Fantastic . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: It'd be easy to find . And um it would uh y you'd{vocalsound} {disfmarker} you could throw it at things if if the T_V_ didn't turn on and off , you could use it for something else . And since I'm not really um{vocalsound} Industrial Designer , I didn't really know what to do with this slide . But um {vocalsound} I just {vocalsound} took some {vocalsound} different uhschematics and I put them into this , and I guess this is what a slide might look like if you were drawing a circuit board . {gap} I don't know why um we wereasked to do this . So , uh {vocalsound} personal preferences , {vocalsound} umUser Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I think we could uh I I'm reallythinking outside the box here , and I think that we should consider perhaps having an an an a a size uh {vocalsound} {disfmarker} a remote control that changesin size depending on the user preference .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So something that's very very flexible and inflatable and then youcould shrink it . I think um it could either be {disfmarker} you could go either one extreme , be very colourful , or you could make it clear , and um kind of blendin with things , so you didn't have to um {vocalsound} uh have a problem with the th the decoration of the {disfmarker} of the user's home . Um I think uh itneeds to be waterproof , because uh sometimes they fall into cupsProject Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and , you know , it might be out by theswimming pool or something like that . Um {vocalsound} if you uh mi one of {disfmarker} one of my requirements was about needs t to tell you when it's doneits job or not , because half the time , I keep pushing on the remote control , and I don't know if it's actually understood my message , so I think it should giveyou some sort of an oral cue . And uh , course I never wanna replace the battery . {vocalsound} So ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: that's{disfmarker} those are my f preferences , and that's my presentation .Project Manager: Yeah , let me uh interrupt you uh if you can add other facility , otherfeature , like uh unbreakable .Industrial Designer: Yes .Project Manager: Okay , because uh especially today , you know , you have the family and the kids ,UserInterface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: okay , and the kids throw it and they they play with their remotes and {gap} .Industrial Designer: Run over it with a car.Project Manager: Yes . Okay , so if you can add the feature , okay , for your uh fabric whatever in your outline design okay , with unbreakable , okay , I thinkthat will give a lot of advantage for our product , if I'm not wrong . Maybe you can uh add it in that .Industrial Designer: Good idea . Good idea , I'll I'll uh um{disfmarker} Yes , very good .Project Manager: Okay , uh thank you Christine , and uh uh any questions or uh clarifications , or any discussion on the functionaldesign ?User Interface: Do you have any preconceived ideas in terms of materials ? 'Cause , for example , in the unbreakable thing , doing something plasticwould be harder ,Industrial Designer: Hmm .User Interface: whereas having something like , I dunno , steel or titanium isn't really economically viable .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Titanium . Titanium would be {vocalsound} be heavy , too ,Marketing: Titanium . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: wouldn't it?User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: No , I haven't really um {disfmarker} I wanted feedback , I think we need to rate {disfmarker} rank these , but we'llsee what your uh personal preferences are and your thoughts .User Interface: Yeah . Sure , yeah . No , I just wondering whether {disfmarker} that you had anysort of {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I like titanium . It's light .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Uh {vocalsound} yeahMarketing:Expensive .User Interface: {vocalsound} The marketing comes out . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: but uh who who said {disfmarker} who said we were,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yes .Industrial Designer: you know , nobody told me how mu what our financial objective is , so um{disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah so {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: It'd be hard to inflate something ou made out of titanium though{vocalsound} .Project Manager: Yeah the the {disfmarker} I'm sorry because uh the last meeting we supposed to discuss about the financial thing .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh let me go quickly , maybe if I can go back {vocalsound} . I know the project plan and thebudget . So I can close this , {gap} not sure . Was in uh {disfmarker} S This . So let me see where is this file .User Interface: That's Christine's .Project Manager:This is Christine . {vocalsound}User Interface: And that's mine , I think .Project Manager: That's yours , okay . Saving .Marketing: {vocalsound} {gap}UserInterface: In modified .Marketing: I don't know ,Project Manager: Okay , uhMarketing: I think verbally we can {disfmarker} we can pretty much sell .ProjectManager: I will {disfmarker} I will send you a mail , okay ? The project may be the the project aim , okay . At the end of the day , the company uh wants to makeat least uh the fifty million Euro . Okay , and uh of course the price will be very reasonable on the the sales side . Okay , that maybe Eddie will talk to you aboutuh how much uh the price and uh what's uh {disfmarker} how much its cost for the manufacturing and how much it's going to be {disfmarker} we sell in themarket . Okay . Then uh you can come back with your feedback . And I I have one {disfmarker} maybe the suggestion or opinion . This remote control , okay , itcan be for like universal , to use for any T_V_ . Okay , and it will be slim , okay , and uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Not fat ?Project Manager:Not fat .Industrial Designer: Not fat , huh .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Might be hard to find , though .Project Manager: Yep . Butlet's try it , okay , with the different uh {disfmarker} the designs , okay , the functional designs .Marketing: Hmm .Industrial Designer: Oh , okay .ProjectManager: Okay ? So any other questions ?Marketing: Uh from her side , I don't think uh there's too many more questions .Project Manager: Okay . Thank youChristine for uh time being ,Marketing: If you can come to the {disfmarker}Project Manager: so then uh Ed , so can you tell about {disfmarker}Marketing: Okay ,from the marketing {disfmarker} yeah , from the marketing side , just to to give an idea what the management is looking for , I was looking for a a remotecontrol to have a sUser Interface: S 'scuse me for one sec .Marketing: I have a sales price of twenty-five Euro , with a production price of uh twelve and a half"}
{"doc_id":"doc_155","qid":"","text":"Lynne Neagle AM: Okay. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and Education Committee. We've received apologies for absence fromSuzy Davies and Jack Sargeant and I'm very pleased to welcome Jayne Bryant back, who is substituting for Jack today. Are there any declarations of interestfrom Members, please? No. Okay, thank you. Item 2, then, this morning, is our sixth scrutiny session on the Children (Abolition of Defence of ReasonablePunishment) (Wales) Bill. I'm very pleased to welcome our witnesses this morning: Sally Jenkins, who is chair of All Wales Heads of Children’s Services and ishere representing the Association of Directors of Social Services; Alastair Birch, who is senior system leader for equalities and safeguarding at PembrokeshireCounty Council, who is here representing the Association of Directors of Education Wales; and Councillor Huw David, who is the Welsh Local GovernmentAssociation spokesperson for health and social care and leader of Bridgend County Borough Council. So, thank you all for attending this morning. We're verypleased to have you here. We've got a lot of ground to cover, so, if you're happy, we'll go straight into questions and I'll start just by asking about your generalsupport for the Bill, which is outlined in the evidence. Can you just explain why you think the current law is ineffective or unclear?Alastair Birch: Bore da—bore da,bawb. So, I'm Alastair Birch. The statement, really, from ADEW is that the rights of the child should be educated and achieved, really, under the United NationsConvention on the Rights of the Child. The current legislation has been criticised, obviously, by the UN concerning the defence of reasonable punishment stillbeing within our current legislation. So, we will always—ADEW will always—advocate that the rights of the child be upheld, so that is really the fundamentalaspect in terms of the statement from ADEW, and the position of ADEW is that the rights of the child are fundamental in this process. And there are certainarticles—. I know that the Rights of Children and Young Persons (Wales) Measure 2011 made sure that article 3 and article 4, article 12 and article 37 were afocus in terms of making sure that the best interests of the child were put first, that children expressing their views and opinions was a priority. And we know, forsafeguarding purposes, that the express opinions of the child and the voice of the child are a fundamental aspect of any safe environment, whether it be a schoolor college. So, that is—the position is really following that legal position under the Rights of Children and Young Persons (Wales) Measure.Lynne Neagle AM: Okay,thank you. Nothing to add at this stage, no?Sally Jenkins: I'll just add, on behalf of ADSS and on behalf of children's services and social services more widely, forus, this is not a change in our position, this is not new; this is a position that we, on behalf of the leaders of social services across Wales, have taken over manyyears, going back 20, 25 years. I think what we would say is that we really welcome this Bill and we welcome the proposed change for the clarity it wouldbring—the clarity that it would bring for children, for parents and for professionals. I think what we would recognise is that this is a very little-used piece oflegislation, so it's rare, it's not as if this is something that is going to cast great change across the scene for children and families in Wales, but what it will do isrepresent a change in the reality of how we care and nurture our children. I would echo absolutely what Alastair has said in terms of the rights of the child, butequally, in terms of all of our policies in Wales in terms of promoting well-being for children, this has to be key. So, for us, this is about a natural progression ofchange in how we care for our children in Wales. For children's services at the very sharp end of this world, for us, it brings a true clarity. This continues with anambiguity in how we treat our children and how we care for our children, and the shift for us brings that very much needed clarity.Lynne Neagle AM: Okay, thankyou. The committee has already heard different views about whether there's clear evidence that physical punishment is harmful to children. What evidence doesthe work of social services provide about whether physical punishment is actually harmful?Sally Jenkins: Obviously, what you'll all be aware of is that, as part ofthe consultation for this Bill, the Public Policy Institute did a further piece of research to look at the impact of physical punishment on children. A number of thingsthat we know—we know from across the world that the evidence is that introducing legislation or changing legislation in this way improves children's positionswithin their families. What we know is that children themselves, as Alastair has already referred to, really find physical punishment demeaning and harmful, andfor children it is an emotionally damaging experience. Now, there may be disagreement about that, there will be different views on that, but that's the voice of thechild in this debate. The voice of the child is very clear that physical punishment is for them harmful. I think what we would also say is that, in the world that wework in, it's part of a continuum, and, whilst this is an element of how children are cared for, what we see is a continuum where an acceptance of how we treatchildren in a particular way perpetuates throughout our work. By changing this, it helps that shift to that absolute recognition that our children must be cared forin a way that is physically safe in all dimensions for them.Lynne Neagle AM: Okay, thank you. We've had evidence from the equal protection network that thereasonable punishment defence undermines child protection and fails to protect children because it permits an arbitrary level of violence, which invades children'sphysical integrity, making it a potential pathway to more serious physical or sexual abuse, and you did refer to that just now. Is there anything you want to addon that?Sally Jenkins: I would echo that. I think there is something in this that is about our culture, about how we see our children. It is about how we see oursmallest and most vulnerable people, and if it is acceptable it opens the door to those other, more extreme versions of violence, which then complicates the issuefor us. This is about clarity, and, whilst there is an argument that this is a small episode for a child, it's not a small episode for a child, it is a major episode for achild, and I think absolutely, as you said, the potential for it then to lead on, and over gradation and time to increase the risk for children, is clearly there.LynneNeagle AM: Okay, thank you. The final question from me: your written evidence emphasises the need for greater clarity around the definition of what constitutescorporal punishment, but that contrasts with what we've been told by the children's commissioner and the equal protection network, who've emphasised theimportance of simplicity in the Bill. How do you respond to that view, and is what you're calling for essential to be on the face of the Bill?Sally Jenkins: It's notessential for it to be on the face of the Bill. What we would like to see is discussion within the implementation phase for that nuancing. Absolutely agree in termsof simplicity—I think that is really important—and I've already mentioned clarity. What we don't want to do is further confuse the position. We know that thelegislation in different countries has done that, and there are ways that you can do it, but what we would welcome is an opportunity during the implementationphase for discussion.Lynne Neagle AM: Okay. Thank you.Huw David: And, as a principle, obviously we would welcome full involvement, and we know there's thecommitment from Welsh Government to full involvement in the implementation, because, as with every piece of legislation, implementation is the most importantpart, and we would want to ensure there is that commitment to a major awareness-raising campaign, and there is that from Welsh Government, because we needto take families, carers and parents with us on this. Also we need to ensure that there is that support available to parents and carers that do sometimes strugglewith parenting, and that needs to be a universal offer across Wales. If we're to progress with this, that has to be an option that is offered to every parent inWales.Lynne Neagle AM: Okay. Thank you.Sally Jenkins: Local authorities have already been very heavily involved in terms of looking at this Bill and exploringwhat the issues are and the discussions and looking at what the implications from a local authority perspective will be, as Huw describes, both in terms of theawareness raising, early support and intervention and prevention services for families against the backdrop of the current issues that we have in localgovernment, but also awareness raising—because absolutely it is key that families come with us on this journey. This is not an imposition. This is embracing aculture and a value system for our children.Lynne Neagle AM: Okay, thank you. I've got some questions now from Dawn Bowden on the implementation of theBill.Dawn Bowden AM: Thank you, Chair. So, you've pre-empted me, Huw.Huw David: Right. Sorry. I've got good eyesight; I can't see—. [Laughter.]DawnBowden AM: You've already said, obviously, that you're looking towards working with Welsh Government in terms of its implementation. What's been your role sofar in terms of the implementation of the Bill—local authorities generally, now? Have you had a role? Has Welsh Government been involving you in discussionsaround the introduction of the Bill so far?Huw David: Yes. So, obviously we were consulted—a key consultee—but also our officials have worked very closely withWelsh Government officials to make sure this is implemented successfully, if it is progressed.Sally Jenkins: Our involvement with this, from a social servicesperspective, goes back over two years, directly in working towards this point, never mind the history in terms of work towards this area. But, very directly inrelation to this Bill, we were first involved at least two years ago, to recollect, and that was in a series of workshops with other agencies, for example Children andFamily Court Advisory and Support Service Cymru and the police, and looking in real depth at what the implications would be for us as agencies to look at whatthe likely trajectory would be in terms of our pathways for referral into our services and what that might mean for us. And then particularly, for example, withCAFCASS Cymru in relation to private law, what the fallout might be, and then what, if anything—and that's the discussion that we need to have—that couldmean for children's services in particular, given the pressures that we're already under. So, we've been in constant, I suppose, involvement in terms of the Billalready, as part of the consultation, in terms of the focus groups and in terms of direct work with Welsh Government officials to take this forward. And we areabsolutely committed to continuing with that work.Dawn Bowden AM: Okay. You touched there on the pressures that you're already under, which we fullyappreciate, but you also mentioned in answers to Lynne Neagle earlier on that you welcomed the Bill in terms of its clarity. So, are you confident that the Bill canbe implemented without any major impact on your capacity to deal with it?Sally Jenkins: We've done—. A number of local authorities—my own included, Newport"}
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It is isn't a bad illustration of the effects of uh roomnoise . {vocalsound} on {disfmarker} on uh some mikes uh but So . And then we had this other discussion about um {vocalsound} whether this affects thedynamic range , cuz I know , although we start off with thirty two bits , you end up with uh sixteen bits and {vocalsound} you know , are we getting hurt there ?But uh Dan is pretty confident that we 're not , that {disfmarker} that quantization error is not {disfmarker} is still not a significant {vocalsound} factor there .So . So there was a question of whether we should change things here , whether we should {vocalsound} change a capacitor on the input box for that or whetherwe shouldPhD B: Yeah , he suggested a smaller capacitor , right ?Professor A: Right . But then I had some other uh thing discussions with himPhD B: For the PDProfessor A: and the feeling was {vocalsound} once we start monk monkeying with that , uh , many other problems could ha happen . And additionally we{disfmarker} we already have a lot of data that 's been collected with that , so .PhD B: Yeah .Professor A: A simple thing to do is he {disfmarker} he{disfmarker} he has a {disfmarker} I forget if it {disfmarker} this was in that mail or in the following mail , but he has a {disfmarker} a simple filter , a digitalfilter that he suggested . We just run over the data before we deal with it .PhD B: Mm - hmm .Professor A: um The other thing that I don't know the answer to ,but when people are using Feacalc here , uh whether they 're using it with the high - pass filter option or not . And I don't know if anybody knows .Grad E: Um .{vocalsound} I could go check .Professor A: But . Yeah . So when we 're doing all these things using our software there is {disfmarker} um if it 's {disfmarker} ifit 's based on the RASTA - PLP program , {vocalsound} which does both PLP and RASTA - PLP {vocalsound} um then {vocalsound} uh there is an option therewhich then comes up through to Feacalc which {vocalsound} um allows you to do high - pass filtering and in general we like to do that , because of things likethis and {vocalsound} it 's {disfmarker} it 's pretty {disfmarker} it 's not a very severe filter . Doesn't affect speech frequencies , even pretty low speechfrequencies , at all , but it 'sPhD B: What 's the {pause} cut - off frequency it used ?Professor A: Oh . I don't know I wrote this a while agoPhD B: Is it like twenty?Professor A: Something like that .PhD B: Yeah .Professor A: Yeah . I mean I think there 's some effect above twenty but it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's{disfmarker} it 's mild . So , I mean it probably {disfmarker} there 's probably some effect up to a hundred hertz or something but it 's {disfmarker} it 's prettymild . I don't know in the {disfmarker} in the STRUT implementation of the stuff is there a high - pass filter or a pre pre - emphasis or something in the{disfmarker}PhD F: Uh . I think we use a pre - emphasis . Yeah . Yeah .Professor A: So . We {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} we want to go and check that in i foranything that we 're going to use the P D A mike for . {vocalsound} uh He says that there 's a pretty good roll off in the PZM mikes so {vocalsound} we don'tneed {disfmarker} need to worry about them one way or the other but if we do make use of the cheap mikes , {vocalsound} uh we want to be sure to do that{disfmarker} that filtering before we {vocalsound} process it . And then again if it 's uh depending on the option that the {disfmarker} our {disfmarker} oursoftware is being run with , it 's {disfmarker} it 's quite possible that 's already being taken care of . uh But I also have to pick a different picture to show theeffects of reverberation . uhPhD B: Did somebody notice it during your talk ?Professor A: uh No .PhD B: Huh .Professor A: Well . uh Well . If they made outputthey were {disfmarker} they were , you know {disfmarker} they were nice .PhD B: Didn't say anything ?Professor A: But . {vocalsound} I mean the thing is itwas since I was talking about reverberation and showing this thing that was noise , it wasn't a good match , but it certainly was still uh an indication of the factthat you get noise with distant mikes . uh It 's just not a great example because not only isn't it reverberation but it 's a noise that we definitely know what to do.PhD B: Mm - hmm .Professor A: So , I mean , it doesn't take deep {disfmarker} {vocalsound} a new {disfmarker} bold new methods to get rid of uh five hertznoise , so .PhD B: Yeah .Professor A: um {vocalsound} uh But . So it was {disfmarker} it was a bad example in that way , but it 's {disfmarker} it still is{disfmarker} it 's the real thing that we did get out of the microphone at distance , so it wasn't {vocalsound} it w it w wasn't wrong it was inappropriate . So .{vocalsound} So uh , but uh , Yeah , someone noticed it later pointed it out to me , and I went \" oh , man . Why didn't I notice that ? \"PhD B: Hmm .Professor A:um . So . {vocalsound} um So I think we 'll change our {disfmarker} our picture on the web , when we 're @ @ . One of the things I was {disfmarker} I mean , Iwas trying to think about what {disfmarker} what 's the best {vocalsound} way to show the difference an and I had a couple of thoughts one was , {vocalsound}that spectrogram that we show {vocalsound} is O K , but the thing is {vocalsound} the eyes uh and the {vocalsound} the brain behind them are so good atpicking out patterns {vocalsound} from {disfmarker} from noise {vocalsound} that in first glance you look at them it doesn't seem like it 's that bad uh becausethere 's many features that are still preserved . So one thing to do might be to just take a piece of the spec uh of the spectrogram where you can see{vocalsound} that something looks different , an and blow it up , and have that be the part that 's {disfmarker} just to show as well . You know .PhD B: Mm -hmm . Mm - hmm .Professor A: i i Some things are going to be hurt . um {vocalsound} Another , I was thinking of was um {vocalsound} taking some spectralslices , like uh {disfmarker} like we look at with the recognizer , and look at the spectrum or cepstrum that you get out of there , and the {disfmarker} the uh ,um , {vocalsound} the reverberation uh does make it {disfmarker} does change that . And so maybe {disfmarker} maybe that would be more obvious .PhD B:Hmm .Grad C: Spectral slices ?Professor A: Yeah .Grad C: W w what d what do you mean ?Professor A: Well , I mean um all the recognizers look at frames . Sothey {disfmarker} they look at {disfmarker}PhD B: So like one instant in time .Professor A: Yeah , look at a {disfmarker}Grad C: OK .Professor A: So it 's , yeah, at one point in time or uh twenty {disfmarker} over twenty milliseconds or something , {vocalsound} you have a spectrum or a cepstrum .Grad C: OK.Professor A: That 's what I meant by a slice .Grad C: I see .Professor A: Yeah . And {vocalsound} if you look at {disfmarker}PhD B: You could just {disfmarker}you could just throw up , you know , uh {vocalsound} the uh {disfmarker} some MFCC feature vectors . You know , one from one , one from the other , and then, you know , you can look and see how different the numbers are .Professor A: Right . Well , that 's why I saying either {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Well , eitherspectrum or cepstrumPhD B: I 'm just kidding .Professor A: but {disfmarker} {vocalsound} but I think the thing is you wanna {disfmarker} PhD B: I don't meana graph . I mean the actual numbers .Professor A: Oh . I see . Oh . That would be lovely , yeah .PhD B: Yeah . \" See how different these {vocalsound} sequencesof numbers are ? \"Professor A: Yeah . Or I could just add them up and get a different total .PhD B: Yeah . It 's not the square .Professor A: OK . Uh . What else{disfmarker} wh what 's {disfmarker} what else is going on ?PhD F: Uh , yeah . Yeah , at first I had a remark why {disfmarker} I am wondering why the PDA isalways so far . I mean we are always meeting at the {vocalsound} beginning of the table and {vocalsound} the PDA 's there .Professor A: Uh . I guess cuz wehaven't wanted to move it . We {disfmarker} we could {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we could move us ,PhD F: Yeah ?Professor A: and .PhD F: OK .Grad E: That 'sright .PhD F: Well , anyway . Um . Yeah , so . Uh . Since the last meeting we 've {disfmarker} we 've tried to put together um {vocalsound} the clean low - passum downsampling , upsampling , I mean , Uh the new filter that 's replacing the LDA filters , and also {vocalsound} the um delay issue so that {disfmarker} Weconsidered th the {disfmarker} the delay issue on the {disfmarker} for the on - line normalization . Mmm . So we 've put together all this and then we haveresults that are not um {vocalsound} {vocalsound} very impressive . Well , there is no {vocalsound} real improvement .Professor A: But it 's not wer worse andit 's better {disfmarker} better latency ,PhD F: It 's not {disfmarker}Professor A: right ?PhD F: Yeah . Yeah . Well . Actually it 's better . It seems better when welook at the mismatched case but {vocalsound} I think we are like {disfmarker} like cheated here by the {disfmarker} th this problem that {vocalsound} uh insome cases when you modify slight {disfmarker} slightly modify the initial condition you end up {vocalsound} completely somewhere air somewhere else in the{disfmarker} in the space , {vocalsound} the parameters .Professor A: Yeah .PhD F: So . Well . The other system are for instance . For Italian is at seventy -eight {vocalsound} percent recognition rate on the mismatch , and this new system has eighty - nine . But I don't think it indicates something , really . I don't{disfmarker} I don't think it means that the new system is more robustProfessor A: Uh - huh .PhD F: or {disfmarker} It 's simply the fact that {disfmarker} Well.Professor A: Well , the test would be if you then tried it on one of the other test sets , if {disfmarker} if it was {disfmarker}PhD F: YProfessor A: Right . So thiswas Italian , right ?PhD F: Yeah . Yeah .Professor A: So then if you take your changesPhD F: It 's similar for other test setsProfessor A: and then {disfmarker}PhDF: but I mean {vocalsound} from this se seventy - eight um percent recognition rate system , {vocalsound} I could change the transition probabilities for the{disfmarker} the first HMM and {pause} it will end up to eighty - nine also .Professor A: Uh - huh .PhD F: By using point five instead of point six , point four{vocalsound} as in the {disfmarker} the HTK script .Professor A: Uh - huh . Yeah .PhD F: So . Well . That 's {disfmarker}PhD B: Yeah . Yeah I looked at um"}
{"doc_id":"doc_157","qid":"","text":"Industrial Designer: 'S to do now is to decide how to fulfil what your stuff is ,Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: so in that sense {disfmarker}Project Manager:Okay .Marketing: Yeah , sure .Industrial Designer: so it does kind of make sense , yeah .Project Manager: Okay , well {disfmarker}Marketing: It kinda does makesense , doesn't it , because when we get into the end of meeting we're kind of {vocalsound} talking about action and design as opposed to background .IndustrialDesigner: Yep .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Everything I have is kinda background .Project Manager: Okay we all ready to go ?Industrial Designer: Yep.Project Manager: Well how um on the {disfmarker} in this meeting then if we um {disfmarker} I'll just just recap on the minutes from the last meeting . And weuh decided onIndustrial Designer: Yep .Project Manager: decided on our our target group being fifteen to thirty five ,Marketing: {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: and we decided that it was gonna be non-rechargeable battery-powered , that we're gonna group our audio-visual and other functions into into thosecategories , um {vocalsound} . And I told you guys about the three new requirements about ignoring teletext , ignoring everything except the T_V_ , and tryingto incorporate the the uh corporate colour and slogan . Um so that was the last meeting .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Is there anything{disfmarker} have I forgotten anything ?Industrial Designer: No .Project Manager: Is that everything ?Marketing: Uh that sounds {gap} .Project Manager: Okay .Um so if we have the three presentations , and then if you have anything to kind of {disfmarker} that you know you're gonna want to discuss , maybe just makea note of it , and we'll have all the discussion at the end . That might be a better idea this time .Marketing: Sure .Project Manager: And so if we start off uh withAndrew and then Craig and then David ,Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: if that's alright .Marketing: Sure .Industrial Designer: Yep .Project Manager: Um andthen after that we'll have to make some decisions about stuff , right {vocalsound} .Marketing: Yeah , cool .Project Manager: So if you wanna take this.Marketing: Why don't I get that {vocalsound} ? Hmm .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Screwed in quite tightly . Uh what did {disfmarker} uh how did we leave itwith speech recognition now ? We {disfmarker} did we say we were gonna try {disfmarker} maybe incorporate it but we hadn't made a definite decision on that?Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Right . Oh I should also point out that um the you know the kind of final objective of this meeting is to reach adecision on the concepts of the product .Marketing: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: So um {vocalsound} that's kind of the end result hopefully .Marketing:Okay . Um alright so c is it function F_ eight ?Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh-huh . Hopefully appear in a wee second .Marketing: Hmm . Come on . I think it'sworking .Project Manager: Up there we go .Marketing: Okay great s so let me just start this . {vocalsound} Okay great . So um {vocalsound} uh s move on .Uh-huh {disfmarker} oh where'd it all go ?Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh no .Marketing: It's not good . Okay lemme just see where I can find it . This looksmore like it . I think I just opened up the template .Project Manager: Oh right .Marketing: Sorry about that . Okay alright so let's have a look here .ProjectManager: Here we go .Marketing: Okay so this was the method that um I've taken . Uh basically what I wanna do here , before we get into it uh too far , is I wantto show you all the background information I have that I think we need to acknowledge if we want this to be successful .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Anduh and then sorta g go through some of the way that I've dealt with that information , and then sort of bring us all together into it to see {disfmarker} sorta seehow this fits in with the overall vision . Um so I've tried to take a whole lot of market research and summarise it for us , and then ide identify uh trends that areare sort of in sync and are important to our our uh p project plan that we have so far , and then uh initiate a kind of discussion on design options so that it sortahelps us to to narrow in on on aspects that will inform other uh other elements of the of the project . Does that make sense , tha that sort of strategy ?IndustrialDesigner: Yep .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: I thought that that will impact on the rest of what we do , so that's why I suggested we get in this .ProjectManager: Aye a fair point definitely .Marketing: Okay so out of um different uh figures and ratings ob uh of people in general , um consumers in general , thenumber one thing that was found was that uh the br t television remote control , a fancy look and feel , okay , and not , it specified , not a functional look or orfeel , uh b f f fancy .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Um however , this is where we kinda have to be very , I think , creative about it . Number two was that itbe innovative . Okay so that tells me that we have to find a way to be innovative without a adding just unnecessary um sort of functional bits to it . Uh and thirdpriority uh for ease of use , so again that kind of gives us a general picture of how it has to be , um {vocalsound} quite user friendly while still having technology .So it {disfmarker} I'll just say right away as a bit of a foreshadowing into how we proceed with this in terms of m marketing , is that I think um {vocalsound}what we should think about is how the um {vocalsound} about how the innovation uh contributes to the look and feel , and not so much to the functionality of it.Project Manager: {vocalsound} Aye right .Marketing: For example like when you pick it up and push it like it all lights up or something , you know what I mean ,like , or it's got something else to it that just seems innovativeProject Manager: Uh-huh .Marketing: because obviously the thing that {disfmarker} the messagehere is ease of use . So how do you make innovation make something more {vocalsound} more easy to use ? Well that's I guess where we're gonna go with this.Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Okay then there's the other aspect of the back the the market um research I have here is on fashion style , okay , which aswe've agreed is a priority . Uh top European fashion trend um {vocalsound} that I read about says there's this emerging theme of fruit and vegetables , okay,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: especially in clothes and furniture . And when I first saw that I thought hmm , welldo we want to actually try and think about this trend and how we add something to it , or we get right into it , or we completely steer away from it ,ProjectManager: Okay okay .Marketing: do you know what I mean ? So my my feeling is that we w do want to observe this trend , but we want to think also about thefact that it sort of has to fit in with something which is not specifically electronics . Um 'cause I think what we're in what we're in is partly sort of home decor ,partly something like a computer , um {vocalsound} so I think we might wanna be careful about how you know how quickly we create like a remote control in theshape of an apple or something ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: I think that would be pushing it .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Andthen in terms of m material trends are for things to be soft and spongy and sort of , you might say ergonomic or or friendly to handle , which is {disfmarker}which also in indicated that last year this was this was not the case . So um probably a lot of the competition on the market will be still in last year's mode , so ifwe try and really capitalise on that , I think that'll be in our favour . Um {disfmarker} So these this is the summary of everything . Um style is number one uhthing in the in the market of who we're selling to . Uh innovative design technology's also a must in that it's seen {disfmarker} it'd be seen to be uh cutting edge ,uh but ease of use t has to be insured throughout . That was like the number three thing . And then at the end there are vibrant natural colours um that's the wayI interpreted it anyway , softness in materials , shape , and function , and so I've written at written at the bottom to give us sort of a context of discussion , MaciPods ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: something which is , I'd have to say very high-tech , ten gigabytes , whatever , but when you hold it in your handthere's like no buttons .Project Manager: Mm that's true , yeah .Marketing: You know what a Mac iPod is ? I'm thinking however Mac iPod is sort of last year'sbecause it's very hard and sort of glassy and glossy , so I'm thinking if we imagine that we're taking some of the features of a Mac iPod and we're then making it smore of like a more of like a comfortable type of {disfmarker} or more of like a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} maybe more vibrant to friendly thing to have . Umand then so this is w with all that information what I'm what I'm suggesting in this slide here is that we we take these ideas , and as we get into more the moreum {vocalsound} techni like sort of production side of things , that we think about shape , materials , and themes or series that go throughout . Sort of like a{disfmarker} I dunno like um we think of some kind of a thin theme that unifies it all , that we agree on , uh sorta like a marketing identity . Um {disfmarker}Does that make sense ? Yeah . So {vocalsound} so like I threw out a few ideas there just to kinda get us thinking along those lines like lemon , lime , I dunno ,green colours , pe whatever , it's just an idea , 'cause I'm thinking that some of these ideas will seem quite coherent if we use them in terms of their {disfmarker}what people associate this {disfmarker} them with in terms of texture , shape , colours , things like that .Project Manager: Mm 'kay . Great .Marketing: Like umthe ones the ones which I'm most fond of in terms of giving like a theme to it would be like um like lemon or something like that , you know something which is ,like you see a lot in in other areas . Like I see lots of websites and things that seem to associate with like lemon and lime and {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay.Marketing: So anyway it's just just an idea .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: I'm thinking maybe we could incorporate some of these features into a fairly um{disfmarker} {vocalsound} into something which is {disfmarker} which seems to have something to it which is almost gimmicky because like um like somethingto do with like lighting within it . Like you know just within the simple sense , when you pick up a phone and touch a button it uh lights up , q usually the buttonslight up .Project Manager: Ah .Marketing: How can we build on that ? Maybe like it could light up in different colours or something or or people could buy the buythe control and then it comes with different like covers or something so .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Anyway those are {disfmarker} that's all I have,Project Manager: That's great .Marketing: but uh hopefully we can we can revisit those ideas when we get into {disfmarker}Project Manager: Uh-huh . Okaygreat .Marketing: {gap}Project Manager: Um thank you for that . Uh Craig do you wannaMarketing: Yep .Project Manager: uh plug yours in then ?User Interface:Is it working ?Project Manager: {vocalsound} Mm . Not quite .Marketing: Did you press F_ eight ?Industrial Designer: It's probably not sending . Yeah .Project"}
{"doc_id":"doc_158","qid":"","text":"Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and Education Committee. We've received apologies for absence from JulieMorgan, and I'm very pleased to welcome David Rees, who is substituting for her today. Can I ask Members whether there are any declarations of interest,please? No. Okay. Thank you very much. Item 2 this morning, then, is a session with the Minister for Children and Social Care on the Welsh Government'schildcare offer. So, I'm very pleased to welcome Huw Irranca-Davies, Minister for Children and Social Care, also Jo-Anne Daniels, director for communities andtackling poverty, and Owain Lloyd, deputy director for childcare, play and early years. So, thank you, all, for your attendance. If you're happy, we'll go straightinto questions from Members, and the first questions come from Hefin David.Hefin David AM: Good morning, Minister. How has it gone in the early implementerlocal authority areas, and is it something of a mixed bag?Huw Irranca-Davies AM: It's gone well, but I'm glad we've done it through this process of earlyimplementer, actually piloting it, because we're learning lessons as we go along. It has gone well. It's been encouraging, to the extent that we're at the pointwhere we're expanding—we've made announcements on expanding some of the early implementer areas so we can learn more lessons. But, in terms of whatwe're learning, one is the bureaucracy around the current approach that we're taking, because it's being done on the seven early implementers. So, we're askingparents to come in, provide their wage slips, provide the birth certificates, and so on. You're dealing sometimes with parents and families with complex issues andcomplex backgrounds, so it's difficult. And the burden of administration on that is falling to each pilot area. In one case, it's a whole authority, but it's onlyone—that's in Blaenau Gwent. In others, it's smaller areas. So, we're also hitting those—. The other big challenge we're hitting is communication. So, we'rehaving parents, generally, who are outside the areas entirely saying, 'Why haven't we got this yet? Can we please get into it?', which is encouraging. But theother thing we're having is people who are within pilot authorities, where it doesn't extend to the whole authority, saying, 'Well, hold on now, we think we qualifyfor something under universal care, we think we qualify for something on tax credits. Why don't we qualify for this?' 'Well, you're not in the pilot area.' So, we'relearning about these things, but the biggest one, I have to say, is the administrative burden, and I think that's interesting in how we take this forward for a widerroll-out.Hefin David AM: What is the administrative burden? What specifically is that?Huw Irranca-Davies AM: It is that sheer burden on each local authority, andeach pilot area, to administer a scheme where we are asking parents to prove eligibility, to bring in documents to prove their eligibility, to make adjustments as itgoes forward based on what their changing work patterns are, what their salary slips say. It's incredibly bureaucratic. So, yesterday, when we made thestatement following the announcement of the introduction of the Childcare Funding (Wales) Bill, we made clear that our preferred option, as put within thatframework Bill, is actually to build on, and to learn from the lessons as well, the model of the HM Revenue and Customs type of model, where you actuallyhave—and this, by the way, is supported by local authority providers out there—one system that is a centralised system, where there is clarity, that is handled,that has elements of information sharing between Government departments, such as the Department for Work and Pensions, and so on, so that the work is donefor the parents, and the work is done for the local authorities; much cleaner, much simpler.Hefin David AM: How confident are you that you can achieve that by2020?Huw Irranca-Davies AM: We are very confident. But, as I say, I'm more confident in the fact that we're actually piloting it, and phasing this in, because Ithink we've learned from some of the experiences elsewhere, including just over the border in England, where they have a different version of a childcare offer,but they've gone for it in a big-bang approach. And it has led to technical issues, it's led to volume issues, where their anticipation of how many people would buyinto it was overwhelmed by the numbers who actually then came forward for it, and the complexity, I have to say, of individual family situations, whereas whatwe are doing, Hefin, is taking this forward very, very carefully. Each roll-out, each expansion that we're doing of the pilot is not—and I know this has caused somepeople to come back and say, 'Why can't we all have it now?' It's because we're only rolling out to areas where we now need to learn a lesson about whether it'srurality or, as it will be within densely urban areas, where the cost might be slightly higher, and that's allowing us to have the confidence that we'll have it. We'veexpanded the whole offer across Gwynedd—the whole of Gwynedd, Anglesey and Caerphilly. Flintshire now have a cross-authority offer. Rhondda Cynon Taf isanticipating doing this by September. Swansea is planning to do it, they tell us, in due course—in short order—as well. So, we have the confidence now that, withthat learning going on from different pilot areas, we'll have the full roll-out by 2020.Hefin David AM: Is it true to say that, in the early adopter areas, the intensityof demand for the services is not spread evenly across?Huw Irranca-Davies AM: Absolutely.Hefin David AM: And why is that? Is that going to cause a problemacross Wales?Huw Irranca-Davies AM: No, it won't cause a problem. If we were doing this tomorrow, it would cause a problem, but what we're learning isthat there are some economic issues and then there are some cultural issues. So ,there are issues to do with—. It's not capacity, by the way. We're not finding aproblem here with capacity, whether it's in English language provision or whether it's in Welsh language provision, whether it's in children with complex needs,we're not finding that as an issue. But what we are finding is, for example, one of the well-known ones—and I've spoken about this before—is that, in some of thesouth Wales Valleys constituencies, there is a family tradition of doing childcare within the families. I've done it myself. Grandparents, aunts, uncles and so onprovide free, unregistered, unlicensed childcare of a sort. Now that isn't what the scheme is about, by the way, I have to say. So, some of the aspects arecultural, but what we're also doing alongside this, whilst looking at the capacity and looking at how we learnt from the pilot roll-out, is that communicationwith parents and providers and local authorities as well. So, we have a whole programme running alongside it. It's about communicating what the offer is,how simple it is to get invovled in this and where they go to, and, critically, I think, how we do that national roll-out would be important as well.Hefin David AM:So, given the point you've made about grandparents and family, wouldn't it be sensible, then, to offer a subsidy to grandparents to provide this kind of care?HuwIrranca-Davies AM: Unregistered grandparents?Hefin David AM: Well, through some kind of analysis of that.Huw Irranca-Davies AM: Well, we don't think so andthere are good reasons behind this.Hefin David AM: Is it because you say that they wouldn't be registered as carers for their own family member?HuwIrranca-Davies AM: Yes, but there's a deeper reason behind that registration as well. The childcare offer isn't only to just provide childcare; it's the wideraspects that come with this. This childcare offer ties into the foundation years offer. There's an element of education linked to the childcare offer—there's that10 hours of the early education foundation years as well. The two tie together. So, there's an issue here with quality, about socialisation and how children learn inan environment, as opposed to purely—as great as all our grandparents and aunts and uncles are—simply child-minding. That's one important distinction. So,the focus of this scheme is very much on registered licensed providers, which could be, by the way—because we do have them, and we're discussing this at themoment internally and with the Professional Association for Childcare and Early Years and others—grandparents who are actually registered and inspected by thecare inspectorate? We're having those discussions.Hefin David AM: How many of them are there?Huw Irranca-Davies AM: We don't think there is a huge number,but we're trying to bottom this out at the moment. We haven't got the exact number, but we don't think they are huge numbers, but there are, in ourconstituencies, registered, licensed, inspected grandparents who look after other people's children in a little group of four or five or six or seven, but also theirown grandchildren.Hefin David AM: So, they're a kind of grandparents club.Huw Irranca-Davies AM: Yes. Now that, I would say to you—and I know that Darrenraised this on the floor yesterday as well—is markedly different in the nature of it, because it's registered and licensed, than simply informal grandparents oraunts or uncles. I say that as well because we also get people who will say to us, 'I don't want to be paid for looking after my grandchildren; I look after mygrandchildren because I look after them'.Hefin David AM: And what about the view, given that you said that capacity wasn't an issue, of the National DayNurseries Association, which says that Wales has the most fragile childcare sector in Great Britain?Huw Irranca-Davies AM: I don't agree we have the mostfragile, but the childcare offer gives us an opportunity to make it more resilient and more robust. We know from the early piloting, and as we roll it out, that thereis the immense diversity within the childcare sector, and we're talking about everything from those very small terraced homes that have been licensed andregistered to take six or seven children, to large, complex environments that perhaps are on maintained premises within school premises, provided by a voluntaryor third sector organisation. So, there's immense complexity and we know that that differs across Wales, and we also know there's immense regional variation inthe scale and the type of childcare offer. What the roll-out allows us to do, backed by £60 million of capital money behind it, in terms of capital development ofchildcare facilities, backed by a 10-year workforce development plan for childcare—and bear in mind this is bolted in as part of our foundational economyapproach as well—that means, by 2020, we get to the point where we're putting the money into the capital development but also to the workforce development,because in some areas we're finding it's not to do with lack of provision and facilities, it's to do with lack of staff. In other areas, we're finding there are plenty ofstaff but not the adequate facilities. We've got to get it right.Hefin David AM: That's fair enough, but is it realistic to think that there's going to be capacity growthin the next two to three years to deliver the product? Is that realistic to think that that foundational sector can provide that level of staffing?Huw Irranca-DaviesAM: Yes, I think it is, absolutely, because, again, what we're finding is we've got several things going on at once in terms of how we monitor and assess the"}
{"doc_id":"doc_159","qid":"","text":"User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Or you get it . Okay .User Interface: No I don't think so it has to be like that yeah and you have to adjust the length .Okay , and then .Project Manager: {vocalsound} So we uh {disfmarker} we will wait for Anna , a few minutes .User Interface: Yeah , s yeah , um .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Mm {vocalsound} . Yours is well {disfmarker} {vocalsound}User Interface: I think you can put anywhere you want , actually . IthinIndustrial Designer: Yeah but the the mic should not {disfmarker}User Interface: It's not a directional mic , anyway .Project Manager: I think it should worklike this .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Uh .Project Manager: So I will try to get my presentation running .User Interface: Yeah .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .Project Manager: Mm .Industrial Designer: Mm . Can't help you with that .User Interface: Last .Project Manager: It's no matter .IndustrialDesigner: Okay , it's y yeah .Project Manager: No problem . Ah yes .Industrial Designer: Right .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Then press uh alUserInterface: Okay .Industrial Designer: This .Project Manager: I don't know .Industrial Designer: You know ?Project Manager: Just try .User Interface: 'Kay .ProjectManager: On this normal {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Oh oh .User Interface: Alt F_ five .Project Manager: Good . Doesn't appear on the screen here.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Right well {disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh .Industrial Designer: Wow . Amazing . It's working {vocalsound} .ProjectManager: Okay . Thank you . {vocalsound} Uh .Marketing: Hold that . Okay .Project Manager: Yes and you can put can clip it uh on your {disfmarker}Marketing:Okay . Mm .Project Manager: Somewhere . So , {vocalsound} good morning , everyone . Um {disfmarker} Welcome at uh {disfmarker} at the kick off meeting ofour uh latest project .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I hope you all have been uh updated about it .Industrial Designer: Yeah .ProjectManager: Good .User Interface: So . Yes .Project Manager: So w we will try to structure this uh meeting with an a with an agenda uh as presented here . Um afterthe opening we will tr get acquainted to each other .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: See what our roles are in this project . So , um {disfmarker}We have been provided with uh some uh w technical tools to uh {disfmarker} to communicate and to well , learn from each other's plans uh as I can say um so wwe will also try to uh to get acquainted to this tools so they are also new to me I don't know whether you worked with them before . Um then we will come to theuh to the to the actual project plan . You all know I hope {vocalsound} how it's about uh the uh new r remote control we are going going to design .Marketing:Mm-hmm .User Interface: Total .Project Manager: Uh then we will uh discuss uh , well , how it should be and uh {disfmarker} wh what uh what our new productshould look lite {disfmarker} like . And uh well then uh after some twenty five minutes I hope uh we can end this meeting . So . Um basically this is about a uh anew c remote control . Um {disfmarker} We {disfmarker} When you design a new product you of {disfmarker} uh you of course want it to be original . Be uh{disfmarker} we want to be distinguished , mm ? People uh want to uh when they look at the shelf want to think , well that's the product I I need . So it needs tobe trendy . I mean trendy is what people want , so then I w they will buy our product . But then , uh , it also should work uh user friendly and uh otherwisepeople uh uh well it will not be uh be rated very well in consumer uh articles and like that .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So , the generaloutline of uh new project will be we first uh go through a functional design phase . Um {disfmarker} You all get uh um certain task uh in this uh in this phase anduh then we will meet again and uh discuss this functional design . And the same holds for the uh ph two phases uh after this , the conceptual design and afterthat a a more detailed design in which the the final project should get its definite shape . Alright , but first we will do some uh tool training . In all in front of youuh you see uh the uh notebooks and w uh n note blocks and we have here a a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a white-board .User Interface: WhiteboMarketing:Mm-hmm .Project Manager: And um well it should work uh {disfmarker} I've read it from my uh from some colleague that it should work with some kind oftoolbar . I didn't find out yet how it work , but maybe one of you did , so {disfmarker} Um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Under documents in the sharedfolder . Okay .Project Manager: Yes . Do {disfmarker} Do we have to say something about that ? I I I'm not fully updated about this shared folder uh .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah , I guess we'll have a shared folder uh with documents that we can share . And uh , yeah .Project Manager: Yes well we will then find out ho howit works .Industrial Designer: Yes .Project Manager: Um . Well , this seems to me , yes , some computer program but I didn't find it yet . So , we'll come to thatlater . So , uh now we will try out the white-board we have here . So , I would suggest uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Each of us is going .Project Manager:Well , yes , um we uh we should try to t to draw on it and then well it should be smart some way . I {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I'm not really sure how this works, but {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Okay , shall I start ?Marketing: Mm . Yeah .Project Manager: Yes ,User Interface: Yeah ,Project Manager: a good idea Mael.User Interface: you can start it you know .Marketing: I think for us it's just like a normal whiteboard , but they'll be recording what we write down .IndustrialDesigner: So , iUser Interface: No they will record through that . There's a sensor over thereMarketing: Mm . Mm .User Interface: which is going to record thestrokes that you make .Marketing: But for us it's just like a normal whiteboard .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: 'Kay .UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: But it's {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Actually , I think I cannot go with uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: You {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} D doesn't it work ? Maybe someo Maybe {disfmarker} maybe Anna , maybe you can start.Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Then he can maybe find out to get his cord right .Marketing: I have to draw .Project Manager:So um {disfmarker} L Why don't you draw uh {vocalsound} your favourite animal on on th on the white-board .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Mmy {disfmarker} my favourite animal . {vocalsound} Sorry this is all tangled up here .Project Manager: Oh , I see uh {disfmarker}Marketing: That's better .UserInterface: Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah . Yes . Mm . So draw it . We will try to guess what it is . {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm-hmm .{vocalsound} I'm a very bad drawer .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Weird . Um . You're not gonna be able to guess from my drawing . I'm a baddrawer . Okay .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: They're ears , by the way .User Interface: 's a cat .Marketing: No . Um close though . Okay so {disfmarker} likea pet animal .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound} Like a cat .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: It's like a cat , so I guess it's acat . {vocalsound}Marketing: No , not a cat though .Project Manager: What is this now ?User Interface: Ah you forget about it .Industrial Designer: You're on theknife .User Interface: Yeah , uh I think it's fine . I just don't want to carry it off . Man , this wires , eh ? We need a wireless microphone .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: You know ? Pro specially we should next project we should take l like that .Marketing: Okay . So .Project Manager: So ,Marketing:It's not a cat ,Project Manager: that's the cat .Marketing: it's a dog .Project Manager: Oh .User Interface: So .Industrial Designer: Mael .Project Manager: It's adog .Marketing: Yes .Project Manager: So but that's also kind of cat ,User Interface: OhProject Manager: isn't it ?User Interface: the dog doesn't have a tail?Marketing: {vocalsound} It's got a tail then .Project Manager: B bo both predators .User Interface: Yeah , sure , yeah .Marketing: Yeah yeah .User Interface: Ithought so . The dogs have a tail .Marketing: So do cats .Project Manager: So , thank you . Uh d did you uh work out cord ?Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: And you guessed cats without a tail . {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah , I thinkI will go without {disfmarker} without it ,Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: right ?User Interface: It'll still not extend , right ? It's notup to that .Marketing: Okay , there you go . So what favourite characteristics . Uh . Dogs are always friendly and loyal and fun . A horse ?User Interface: It's ahorse .Marketing: {vocalsound} This is why you're the designer . And I'm marketing . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yes . Yes , yes this is {disfmarker} Yesdefinitely a horse . Yes . Oh very good . So {disfmarker}Marketing: Ah {vocalsound}Project Manager: I suppose it {disfmarker}User Interface: Ah I think you canput that .Marketing: Mm-hmm . That's it . {vocalsound} A blue and black zebra {vocalsound} .User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Yes . Can {disfmarker} you can meet them in Africa , I think . Yes . Very good . So {disfmarker}Marketing: The very rare bluezebras . Yes .User Interface: {gap} I'll tell to get it off my {disfmarker}Project Manager: Ma Matthew ?User Interface: Uh ? Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So{disfmarker}Marketing: You got a lot of room here .Project Manager: Maybe {disfmarker}Marketing: You can probably reach .User Interface: Oh y it's not forthat .Marketing: No ?User Interface: No .Project Manager: I hope you have some space in your uh the horse of uh Mael .User Interface: Okay . Yeah . So whatshould I draw ? Mm . He has already to do cat .Marketing: I took a dog . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Um . A mouse ?ProjectManager: This looks likes a cat who has been driven over . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah .{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And we should sum up its favourite charas characteristics , right ?Marketing: Mm-hmm .{vocalsound}Project Manager: Yes , the moustache .Industrial Designer: So {disfmarker}Project Manager: That's {disfmarker} that's definitely a cat .Marketing:Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Uh yeah . And i Th They like to sleep , that's why you said you they are like this .Project Manager: {vocalsound} It's quite , youknow {disfmarker} relaxed situation .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yes .Marketing: Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Yes , okay . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} She has the small legs .Project Manager: Th thankyou , Matthew .Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound} Thank you , Matthew .Marketing: {vocalsound} It's a very big rat . Or a very small cat ."}
{"doc_id":"doc_160","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Right well . Welcome to the {disfmarker} what should be the last of thesemeetings and uh it looks like we've uh done a good job here and uh we'll just go through the the final uh the final details . Um okay , oh the um th the theminutes of the last meeting uh I think we'll take those as read , um {disfmarker} OkayIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: the um th the the nextuh thing we we we'll have a look at the uh th have a look at the prototypes and uh look at the uh evaluation criteria and finance and then uh uh just tidy up withproduction and um and then we can close . Um So f if if you'd like to uh present your your proposals .Industrial Designer: Uh okay we basically have the samekinda lay-out here it's just um you hold it like this and it gets kinda moulded to the to the shape of your hand , basically . Um on the left we've got the scroll forthe volume , on the right we have buttons for the channels up and down and that kinda {disfmarker} so you can hold it and scroll , or you can hold it and andpush .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh this is the power key , um it's kinda like the biggest so you know how to turn on .Project Manager:Uh-huh .Industrial Designer: Uh that's the little menu key . This is the infra-red section so you g it'll be sending rays and if you're you know pointing it like that itcan send it ,Project Manager: Yep ,Industrial Designer: or if you hold it up like that it'll send it .Project Manager: yeah , good , good .Industrial Designer: Uh wegot a microphone there which for all the voice commandsProject Manager: Uh-huh .Industrial Designer: so you can you know talk to it like thatProject Manager:Yep ,Industrial Designer: and it'll still understand .Project Manager: right .Industrial Designer: Um the logo is down down there umProject Manager: Uh-huh .UserInterface: Mm .Industrial Designer: and {gap} has the cover on itUser Interface: SIndustrial Designer: and you can see like it just kinda goes {disfmarker} thered bit's the cover and it kinda goes over everythingProject Manager: Yep , yep ,Industrial Designer: and then there's holes for the buttons to come through . Um.Project Manager: mm-hmm .User Interface: And so we figured it would be kind of you know a light weight plastic ,Project Manager: Uh-huh .Industrial Designer:Mm .User Interface: just kind of a light {vocalsound} non-descript greyProject Manager: Yep yep .User Interface: so that people'll wanna buy the coversProjectManager: Yep .User Interface: and then the covers will be that sort of rubbery material like they make iPod covers ,Project Manager: {gap} showing me age ,UserInterface: so they kinda just stretch over .Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: I don't know what i c iPod covers are like .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah , wellProject Manager: Yeah {gap} yeah .User Interface: I I didn't know that but yeah they're kind of{disfmarker} it's just kind of a rubbery {disfmarker}Project Manager: Uh-huh .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: and that way {disfmarker} youknowProject Manager: Okay ,User Interface: spongy like is something that people wantedProject Manager: yep , right .User Interface: and it just sort of stretchesoverIndustrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: and that way I think probably helps protect it a little bit too as wellProject Manager: Okay .IndustrialDesigner: But it's also e e easier to put on versus like mobile coversUser Interface: and {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: you actually have to screw them on andstuff and you kinda sometimes have to get someone to do that for you . This is very much you should be able to stretch it over yourselfProject Manager: Yep.User Interface: just kinda stretch it overIndustrial Designer: and it'll be fine .Project Manager: Okay , good yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: andit'll just stay onIndustrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: and then the buttons come through and so {disfmarker} and then the {disfmarker} each one of 'em onthe very end will have the logo with the yellow circle and the R_R_ .Project Manager: Yep , right .Industrial Designer: Li that'll be {gap} the covers as well , yeahyeah .Project Manager: Yeah , yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: I mean tha it's it's a detailed point , I just wondered {disfmarker} I mean h how willpeople put these down I wonder ?User Interface: Like that .Project Manager: Right . Okay {gap} for some strange re reason I had it in my mind that they'd putthem down verticallyIndustrial Designer: Yeah it could stand , yeah .Project Manager: but uh uh {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh .IndustrialDesigner: Well we could broaden the {disfmarker} broaden it out a bitProject Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah , uh noIndustrial Designer: so it would stand like that.Project Manager: because {gap} particularly if they've dif if they're gonna have it as a you know as a fashion itemIndustrial Designer: Yeah , {gap} standing.Project Manager: uh I mean it it's uh it it's just I mean it's just a minor detailed point , but um as you say you can just make the base a little bit bigger and uh{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah , we could just widen it out uhProject Manager: Yeah and uh it just needs another uh another logo somewhere is is is is allit gives gives people the option and if if say if they've got them um {gap}Industrial Designer: Mm . Mm .Project Manager: because {gap} actually have several{gap} upon the uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Could have one for your stereo , one for your {gap} D_V_ player .Industrial Designer: Mm , yeah , yeah .ProjectManager: Yeah , well .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Have to {disfmarker} if we just lengthen it I guessProject Manager: {vocalsound} YeahIndustrialDesigner: so it comes down to the base of the handUser Interface: Yeah ,Project Manager: but that that's uh {disfmarker} but uhUser Interface: just kind of{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: and then flatten it outProject Manager: noIndustrial Designer: and could sit there .Project Manager: the the the overall uh theoverall concept is uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah , {vocalsound} mm .User Interface: Or just make it little .Project Manager: yeah yeah ,IndustrialDesigner: Yeah . Yeah .User Interface: Somewhere like thatProject Manager: no no , I mean that's {disfmarker} these uh {disfmarker}User Interface: so it justsort of {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: We might {gap} have to lengthen itMarketing: Yeah I kinda had a a kinda {disfmarker} a natural kind of a ideaIndustrialDesigner: so it kinda {disfmarker} your hand still holds it and have it there ,User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: yeah , yeah , yeah like that , like that{gap} . Yeah .Marketing: where it's like more of a kind of {disfmarker} like a kinda maybe slightly like thinner ,User Interface: BuProject Manager: Yeah.Marketing: yeah , kinda like that kinda {gap} like a flower or a plantProject Manager: But uh yeah {disfmarker} but no th but the {disfmarker} yeah the the the{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: for the more natural kinda {disfmarker}User Interface: {gap} .Project Manager: Yeah , yeah , yeah ,IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} The final product would actually stand up , yeah {vocalsound} .Project Manager: I mean it it's uh {disfmarker} wouldn'tUser Interface:{gap} fall over .Project Manager: wouldn't do that , indeed yeah . But th th but th yeah th b theUser Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: these were all minorminor uh minor details ,Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: I think the uh the basic concept i i is is absolutely bangonIndustrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: {gap} . 'S a little longer .Project Manager: and the {disfmarker} iIndustrial Designer: Wee {vocalsound}{disfmarker}Project Manager: it certainly meets our criteria of being uh {disfmarker} of you know looking different .Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager:Um , soUser Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: good that's that that's excellent .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um right let us um What's onthe next one ? Oh right yes , let's have a look at the um f finance . Um , now we're given a a clear design brief , uh if I {gap} get the uh spreadsheet up . Oh.Marketing: Uh yeah , {vocalsound} just click there .Project Manager: {gap} .Marketing: Uh the the maximise button .Project Manager: Oh right . Ah . Good , thisis why we need to make these things simple so that the uh the the the boss can understand .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Now I've um {vocalsound} this is the company's uh uh costing for for various uh uh aspects of designand I I I've treated some of these slightly uh liberally given the constraints placed on us , um I wouldn't know for in for instance if if they require us to have it inthe corporate colours , then that is not a special colour , that's a that's a standard colour . Uh , so we're just simply on batteries , the the one th the one decisionI've had to make is that um we're {vocalsound} we will have to find a s a regular standard chip to to do this with and I I um I'm I'm I'm certain that they they arearound so , um that I don't think is a a serious problem . The uh the the voice sensor is is expensive but we we made a a basic decision that that was absolutelyfundamental to the to the design so that that has to stay . Um then again the the the the shape of the case means that it's it's expensive to uh um l to make'cause of the the th the double curves but on the other hand because of our overall fashion concept um we we should exceed the the sales targets . Um it's simplymade of plastic so th that's uh that's no problem and uh um just because the whole {gap} the colour of the the whole thing that's uh uh there's some cost there .Um and uh we haven't actually got a scroll wheel we we we got push buttons and and a simple uh um {vocalsound} slider so um and the and the the buttons areuh uh well I do don't know that they're special colour . Anyway the the costings uh come in at {disfmarker} exactly on target at twelve point five uh but I thi Ithink we have a a very strong case to argue that uh what what we've got is is so in innovative and uh and different that um {vocalsound} any any slightcompromise we have to make on on cost is is offset by the uh you know the uh you know the the the the concept of it being a a fashion accessory and and havingthe the interchangeable coversIndustrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: so uh um you know the {disfmarker} if if if the management expect us to be techno{gap} again {gap} fail again {disfmarker} technologically innovative um that they they have to accept that we we can't operate absolutely within uh theconstraints that they give ,Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: so uh we we we present this as the uh the company's uh the the company's way forwardand uh uh I I think we can argue that we we have uh come in on on budget . Um . Okay , uh . So um . Does anybody want to uh {disfmarker} uh Andrew do youwant {disfmarker} what do you want to say about um the uh yeah the evaluationMarketing: Evaluation .Project Manager: where where you know well wherewhere we're where where we're at ?Marketing: The {vocalsound} the product or the project ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: The the the well the {disfmarker} I"}
{"doc_id":"doc_161","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay everybody is ready ? {vocalsound} Good morning again . So , today we are going to have a f second meeting . Oh Michael , hi .UserInterface: Yep .Project Manager: You're late . You have a good reason for that ?User Interface: {vocalsound} Yes .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Very good {vocalsound} . {vocalsound} Okay , let's have a look to the agenda today . {vocalsound} So , we are going to have a meetingabout the functional design . Um so first before starting I w just going to uh to go quickly to {disfmarker} through the minutes of previous meeting . So uh{vocalsound} basically we we are not decided if w we should go for a universal or specific uh uh remote control , but I have new um new i inputs for {disfmarker}about that topics . I goin I'm going to share with you . {vocalsound} And uh basically we decided to um to uh go to individual actions for each of you uh so umIndustrial Designer should wor was supposed to work on th on th on the working design . You showed us {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yep .Project Manager:you ar you you prepare something for us ?Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yep .Project Manager: The U_I_ guy also uh work on that , yeah , and for the mar ourMarketing Expert should deliver some specs .User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: Alright {vocalsound} so {vocalsound} so we are going to go through three ofyour individual presentations . But first I would like quickly to uh to decide of {disfmarker} to give a name to the project . So , I just put d quickly Remo , but ifyou have any o other names that we co could decide for just to to keep something fun for our project we we should {disfmarker} we could discuss quickly . Anyideas ?User Interface: Uh the Powerstick .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Powerstick , yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: What else ? What else ?Marketing: Uh . {vocalsound}User Interface: Maybe a Spanish name would work well .Marketing: Mm I was thinking of the{disfmarker}User Interface: Especially if we're selling into the U_S_ market becasue there's a lot of Spanish speakers there . Maybe something that sounds coolin English but sounds funny in Spanish .Marketing: Mando .User Interface: Mando .Project Manager: Mango ? Mango ?User Interface: What is that ?Marketing:Mando .Project Manager: Mando . M_A_ ? M_A_ ?Marketing: A*_N_ yeah D_O .Project Manager: M_ D_O_ . Mm , okay .Marketing: It doesn't it doesn't soundcool for me ,Project Manager: What does it mean ? Oh .Marketing: but maybe for a Spanish {disfmarker} for I {disfmarker} for {disfmarker}User Interface:What does it mean in Spanish ?Marketing: Control .User Interface: Control .Project Manager: Hmm . Nice .User Interface: Okay . 'Cause it also {disfmarker} likein English it sounds like you know the man's tool you know because you know men like to have control of the remoteMarketing: But {disfmarker} mm , yeah.User Interface: so it might {disfmarker}Marketing: Mando sounds Latino . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: The Mando .Project Manager: {vocalsound} So , let's go forMando ? Yeah ? No objection ?Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah .User Interface: Yeah that's {gap} .Project Manager: Great . So {disfmarker}User Interface: Andwe could have some like you d you could have the fonts you know special , so you have man in like in in uh in one o in one font and then the O_ as like{disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay , I think this is {disfmarker}User Interface: Although you don't wanna cut uh cut women out of the uh potential buyersthough ,Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: do you ? So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah they are the most T_V_ watcher . So we should be careful.User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay , I think this is more a question of of {disfmarker}User Interface: Marketing .Marketing: But {disfmarker}yeahProject Manager: I I think this is more a question of of look and feel .Marketing: it uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Something that should be addressedlater We should we should go to other {disfmarker} for the other topics .Marketing: Yeah because if the product will be international {disfmarker}User Interface:Well that's the thing . We need to know who we're selling it to before we can really decide on a {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah okay , so let's stick f to ManMando for the nameUser Interface: Um .Project Manager: and we'll see for the for the look and feel later . So let's go for the three presentations right now . So ,who want to start ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So maybe we could start with the market , yeah .Marketing: Maybe maybe I should uh start .Yeah . Mm . Okay .Project Manager: Okay so I have your slides somewhere ?Marketing: Yeah . Should be in participant four .Project Manager: Participant four .{vocalsound} This one ?Marketing: Yeah , yeah . {vocalsound} Uh .Project Manager: S that's coming . Uh {gap}User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: okay .Great .Industrial Designer: Yep .Marketing: Okay so yeah I will I will give a brief outline about what I what I prepared for this meeting .Project Manager:Mm-hmm .Marketing: For the functional requirements and especially for the for the user requirements . I prepare a marketing report and we have to find theweaknesses and and the the improvements we could do to the current remote controls . And also I di I did a study with {disfmarker} for the incorporation of newtechnologies it seems that the remote controls have been {disfmarker} have remained the same for the last five , ten years . There is no no significant differencebetween the the b the first new controls and {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay . Sh next slide ?Marketing: Yeah . Yeah .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Well{vocalsound} {vocalsound} more {disfmarker} most of the people think that remote controls are ugly , thoroughly . So and they they admit that the the theyshould uh s they would uh spend more money in a fancier remote control , which is which is good and it's interesting point . Also the people are worried aboutabout the R*_S_I_ disease , which is if you repeat the sa the same movement , which is not a {disfmarker} with a not very appropriate device , you you will haveproblems whe when you will get old . So s people are uh are worried about the the shape of the of the remote control . They are also {vocalsound} {disfmarker}they get angry very often because they lost the remote control very often , so I think it would be a good point to to l to to find a a solution to {disfmarker} anybeep any alarm or something incorporated to {disfmarker} with the remote control every time it it get lost .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: And also Ifound that young people {disfmarker} the the younger people are the more interested they are in incorporating new technologies in the in the remote control.Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: So {vocalsound} {vocalsound} in my opinion the Mando {disfmarker} this Mando shouldn't be very small because thesmaller it is , the more like {disfmarker} the the liklier it is to get lost . Liklier or more likely ?User Interface: More likely . {gap}Marketing: {gap} likely . Okay .Uh {vocalsound} people also complain because they they they all have the same size of the buttons for buttons who w which are not very use like f uhmemorising channels or or this kind of actions which are not very often but {vocalsound} they they shouldn't they shouldn't have the same importance in the inthe uh in the remote cont in the remote control . Also the z the design should fit the hand shape . So it may be interesting to to think in a {disfmarker} in bothprototypes , for right and left handed people .User Interface: Well th the on the thing is though , most remote controls are used by more than one person . Sounless you're kind of targeting single people you know you're gonna maybeMarketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: cut out some {disfmarker} a lot ofyour market .Marketing: I dunno I th Anyway I think it could be int interesting to to release some {disfmarker} a a small fraction of of this remote controls.Industrial Designer: Well maybe it could be a universal design .Marketing: Sorry ?Industrial Designer: A universal design , which is which is good for both thehands .User Interface: Still shaped for yeah for your hand but not for a particular hand , right ?Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah ? That's right , whetherit's left hand or right hand ,Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: but but {vocalsound} don't you think that the two points are clashing , one thing you are sayingdesign should fit the hand shape and it should not be very small ?Marketing: Sorry ?Industrial Designer: The first and the third point , they are clashing .UserInterface: Well it can still be a {gap} , you can still extend past the hand .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Okay .User Interface: Uh.Marketing: Like uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: So fitting the hand doesn't mean much then .User Interface: Well it means {disfmarker} like , this remotehere is kind of {disfmarker} is very thin and long so instead of having {disfmarker} you know you might have it kind of {disfmarker} a bit biggerIndustrialDesigner: Mm-hmm mm-hmm .Marketing: Yeah , like {disfmarker}User Interface: or , you know , with maybe some some finger molds or something .IndustrialDesigner: Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So it means design should be similar to the traditional ones ?UserInterface: {gap}Industrial Designer: Little sleek , longer ?User Interface: {gap}Industrial Designer: And it should fit the hand .Marketing: No no I was thinking ofso like something {disfmarker}Project Manager: Something with the shape of the palm ?Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm .Marketing: yeah.User Interface: Some finger grips maybe .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: You could even have some buttons like you know on the sides and everything ,ProjectManager: On the sides .Marketing: Yeah yeah . It sh it shouldn't it shouldn't be symmetric symmetrical .User Interface: but {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:Mm-hm mm-hmm mm-hmm .Marketing: Not anymore . That's what {disfmarker} yeah .Project Manager: And then finally {disfmarker}Marketing: And finally ,the incorporation of a L_C_D_ or a speech recognition system in the remote control could also be interesting , but I don't know if the budget would be largeenough .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah . First I'm just wondering about the L_C_D_ stuff because uh because {disfmarker}Marketing: But most of{disfmarker} yeah most of the young people to thirty to thirty years old were really interested in this kind of technology .Project Manager: Yeah , so maybe it's agood time for me to uh {vocalsound} to bring you to some new uh new informations . We had the new requirements from the {disfmarker} so uh from the headoffices of the company , and so they wanted {disfmarker} so they want to um {disfmarker} they would like to be restricted to T_V_ .User Interface: Yeah .ProjectManager: Okay , I dunno if you had this information already . No ,User Interface: No .Project Manager: so they want us to restrict the remote control to T_V_ only"}
{"doc_id":"doc_162","qid":"","text":"Professor A:  Am I on ? I guess so . Radio two . Hmm . Radio two .Grad E: Hello ?Professor A: Wow .Grad E: Mm - hmm . Hi ?PhD B: Blow into it , it works reallywell .Grad F: Channel B .Professor A: People say the strangest things when their microphones are on .PhD D: Channel four . Test .PhD C: Uh - oh .PhD D: OK.PhD C: Radio four .Grad E: Hello ?Professor A: So everybody everybody 's on ?PhD D: Today 'sProfessor A: Yeah . So y you guys had a {disfmarker} a meetingwith uh {disfmarker} with Hynek which I unfortunately had to miss . Um and uh somebodyPhD C: Mmm .Professor A: eh e and uh I guess Chuck you weren'tthere either , so the uhPhD B: I was there .Professor A: Oh you were there ?PhD B: With Hynek ?Professor A: Yeah .PhD B: Yeah .Professor A: So everybodyknows what happened except me . OK . {vocalsound} Maybe somebody should tell me .PhD C: Oh yeah . Alright . Well . Uh first we discussed about some of thepoints that I was addressing in the mail I sent last week .Professor A: Uh - huh .PhD C: So . Yeah . About the um , well {disfmarker} the downsampling problem.Professor A: Yeah .PhD C: Uh and about the f the length of the filters and {disfmarker} Yeah .Professor A: What was the {disfmarker} w what was thedownsampling problem again ?PhD C: So we had {disfmarker}Professor A: I forget .PhD C: So the fact that there {disfmarker} there is no uh low - pass filteringbefore the downsampling . Well .Professor A: Uh - huh .PhD C: There is because there is LDA filtering but that 's perhaps not uh the best w mProfessor A:Depends what it 's frequency characteristic is , yeah .PhD C: Well . Mm - hmm .Professor A: So you could do a {disfmarker} you could do a stricter one .PhD D:System onProfessor A: Maybe . Yeah .PhD C: Yeah . So we discussed about this , about the um {disfmarker}Professor A: Was there any conclusion about that?PhD C: Uh \" try it \" . Yeah .Professor A: I see .PhD C: I guess .Professor A: Yeah . So again this is th this is the downsampling {vocalsound} uh of the uh{disfmarker} the feature vector streamPhD C: Uh .Professor A: and um Yeah I guess the {disfmarker} the uh LDA filters they were doing do have um{vocalsound} uh let 's see , so the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the feature vectors are calculated every ten milliseconds so uh the question is how far downthey are at fifty {disfmarker} fifty hertz . Uh . {vocalsound} Um .PhD C: Yeah . Mm - hmm .Professor A: Sorry at twenty - five hertz since they 're downsamplingby two . So . Does anybody know what the frequency characteristic is ?PhD C: We don't have yetProfessor A: Oh OK .PhD C: um {vocalsound} So , yeah.Professor A: OK .PhD C: We should have a look first at , perhaps , {vocalsound} the modulation spectrum .Professor A: Yeah .PhD C: Um . So there is this , thereis the um length of the filters . Um . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} So the i this idea of trying to find filters with shorter delays . Um . We started to work with this.Professor A: Hmm - hmm .PhD C: Mmm . And the third point um {vocalsound} {vocalsound} was the um , yeah , {vocalsound} the on - line normalizationwhere , well , the recursion f recursion for the mean estimation {vocalsound} is a filter with some kind of delayProfessor A: Yeah .PhD C: and that 's not takeninto account right now . Um . Yeah . And there again , yeah . For this , the conclusion of Hynek was , well , \" we can try it but {disfmarker} \"Professor A: Uh - huh.PhD C: Um .Professor A: Try {disfmarker} try what ?PhD C: So try to um {vocalsound} {vocalsound} um take into account the delay of the recursion for themean estimation .Professor A: OK .PhD C: Mmm . And this {disfmarker} we 've not uh worked on this yet . Um , yeah . And so while discussing about these{disfmarker} these LDA filters , some i issues appeared , like well , the fact that if we look at the frequency response of these filters it 's uh , well , we don't knowreally what 's the important part in the frequency response and there is the fact that {vocalsound} in the very low frequency , these filters don't {disfmarker}don't really remove a lot . {vocalsound} compared to the {disfmarker} to the uh standard RASTA filter . Uh and that 's probably a reason why , yeah , on - linenormalization helps because it {disfmarker} it ,Professor A: Right .PhD C: yeah , it removed this mean . Um . Yeah , but perhaps everything could {disfmarker}should be {disfmarker} could be in the filter , I mean , uh the {disfmarker} the mean normalization and {disfmarker} Yeah . So . Yeah . So basically that was{disfmarker} that 's {vocalsound} all we discussed about . We discussed about {vocalsound} good things to do also uh well , generally good stuff {vocalsound}to do for the research .Professor A: Mm - hmm .PhD C: And this was this LDA uh tuning perhaps and {vocalsound} Hynek proposed again to his uh TRAPS , so.Professor A: OK .PhD C: Yeah ,Professor A: I mean I g I guess the key thing for me is {disfmarker} is figuring out how to better coordinate between the twosidesPhD C: um .Professor A: cuz {disfmarker} because umPhD C: Mm - hmm .Professor A: uh I was talking with Hynek about it later and the {disfmarker} the{disfmarker} sort of had the sense sort of that {disfmarker} that neither group of people wanted to {disfmarker} to bother the other group too much . And{disfmarker} and I don't think anybody is , you know , closed in in their thinking or are unwilling to talk about things but I think that {vocalsound} you were sortof waiting for them to {vocalsound} tell you that they had something for you and {disfmarker} and that {disfmarker} and expected that they would do certainthings and they were sor they didn't wanna bother youPhD C: Mm - hmm .Professor A: and {vocalsound} they were sort of waiting for you and {disfmarker} and{disfmarker} and uh we ended up with this thing where they {disfmarker} they were filling up all of the possible latency themselves , and they just had hadn'tthought of that . So . Uh . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I mean it 's true that maybe {disfmarker} maybe no one reallythought about that {disfmarker} that this latency thing would be such a {disfmarker} a strict issuePhD C: Yeah . Well , but . Yeah . Yeah . Well{disfmarker}Professor A: in {disfmarker} in uh {disfmarker} the other {disfmarker}PhD C: Yeah I don't know what happened really , butProfessor A: Yeah .PhDC: I guess it 's {disfmarker} it 's also so uh the time constraints . Because , {vocalsound} well , we discussed about that {disfmarker} about this problem andthey told us \" well , we will do all that 's possible to have enough space for a network \" but then , yeah , perhaps they were too short with the time andProfessorA: Then they couldn't . I see .PhD C: uh yeah . But there was also problem {disfmarker} perhaps a problem of communication . So , yeah . Now we will try to{disfmarker}Professor A: Just talk more .PhD C: Yeah , slikes and send mails .Professor A: Yeah .PhD C: u s o o Yeah .Professor A: Yeah .PhD C: Uh . OK.Professor A: So there 's um {disfmarker} Alright . Well maybe we should just uh I mean you 're {disfmarker} you 're bus other than that you folks are busydoing all the {disfmarker} all the things that you 're trying that we talked about before right ? And this {disfmarker} machines are busy and {vocalsound} you 'rebusyPhD C: Yeah .Professor A: andPhD C: Basically .Professor A: Yeah . OK . Oh .PhD C: Um .Professor A: Let 's {disfmarker} let 's , I mean , I think that as{disfmarker} as we said before that one of the things that we 're imagining is that uh there {disfmarker} there will be {vocalsound} uh in the system we end upwith there 'll be something to explicitly uh uh do something about noisePhD C: Mm - hmm .Professor A: in addition to the uh other things that we 're talking aboutand that 's probably the best thing to do . And there was that one email that said that {vocalsound} it sounded like uh uh things looked very promising up therein terms of uh I think they were using Ericsson 's {vocalsound} approach or something and {vocalsound} in addition to {disfmarker} They 're doing some noiseremoval thing , right ?PhD C: Yeah , yeah . So yeah we 're {disfmarker} will start to do this also .Professor A: Yeah .PhD C: Uh so Carmen is just looking at theEricsson {disfmarker} Ericsson code .PhD D: Yeah . We modifProfessor A: Mm - hmm .PhD C: AndPhD D: Yeah , I modified it {disfmarker} well , modifying{disfmarker} {vocalsound} I studied Barry 's sim code , more or less . to take @ @ the first step the spectral subtraction . and we have some {disfmarker} thefeature for Italian database and we will try with this feature with the filter to find the result .Professor A: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .PhD D: But we haven't resultuntil this moment .Professor A: Yeah , sure .PhD D: But well , we are working in this alsoProfessor A: Yeah .PhD D: and maybe try another type of spectralsubtraction , I don't {disfmarker}Professor A: When you say you don't have a result yet you mean it 's {disfmarker} it 's just that it 's in process or that you{disfmarker} {vocalsound} it finished and it didn't get a good result ?PhD D: No . No , no n we have n we have do the experiment only have the feature{disfmarker} the feature but the experiment havePhD C: Yeah .PhD D: we have not make the experimentProfessor A: Oh . OK .PhD D: and maybe will be goodresult or bad result , we don't know .Professor A: Yeah . Yeah .PhD C: Yeah .Professor A: OK . So um I suggest actually now we {disfmarker} we {disfmarker} wesorta move on and {disfmarker} and hear what 's {disfmarker} what 's {disfmarker} what 's happening in {disfmarker} in other areas like {vocalsound} what 's{disfmarker} what 's happening with your {vocalsound} investigations {vocalsound} about echos and so on .Grad F: Oh um Well um I haven't started writing thetest yet , I 'm meeting with Adam todayProfessor A: Mm - hmm .Grad F: um and he 's going t show me the scripts he has for um {vocalsound} {vocalsound}running recognition on mee Meeting Recorder digits .Professor A: Mm - hmm .Grad F: Uh {vocalsound} I also um {vocalsound} {vocalsound} haven't got thecode yet , I haven't asked Hynek for {disfmarker} for the {disfmarker} for his code yet . Cuz I looked at uh Avendano 's thesis and {vocalsound} I don't reallyunderstand what he 's doing yet but it {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it {disfmarker} it sounded like um {vocalsound} the channel normalization part {vocalsound}um of his thesis um {vocalsound} was done in a {disfmarker} a bit of I don't know what the word is , a {disfmarker} a bit of a rough way um {vocalsound} itsounded like he um he {disfmarker} he {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} it wasn't really fleshed out and maybe he did something that was {vocalsound} interestingfor the test situation but I {disfmarker} I 'm not sure if it 's {vocalsound} what I 'd wanna use so I have to {disfmarker} I have to read it more , I don't reallyunderstand what he 's doing yet .Professor A: OK . Yeah I haven't read it in a while so I 'm not gonna be too much help unless I read it again ,PhD D: It 's myPhDC: Oh yeah ?PhD D: I know this is mine here .Professor A: so . OK . Um . {vocalsound} The um {disfmarker} so you , and then {vocalsound} you 're also gonnabe doing this echo cancelling between the {disfmarker} the close mounted and the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the"}
{"doc_id":"doc_163","qid":"","text":"Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um almost , there's one more thing I have to get out of the {disfmarker} I have to make sure that thisattachment will open .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I keep forgetting whether I've done this . {gap} .Project Manager: Ah-ha . Okay . We'll open that whenthe time is right . In the meantime {disfmarker} Closing things down , okay . Let's see what this thing does . Does it come up together or disappear one of themor what ? Ah , we came up together , we're good . Okay . Are we ready to start ? Okay . It's now quarter of four . This is a f another forty minute one so it will endat four twenty five . Okay . Right . Our agenda is , as before , for me to open the meeting , for us to go over the previous minutes , then for the two of you topresent your prototype and for you to g um Sarah present the evaluation criteria . We then have a finance aspect , which is a spreadsheet , an Excel spreadsheet. And I know what you're all thinking of , oh my , um because we're only given a forty minute time period to get it all in , including the production evaluation . Sowe're going to make a very fast track . Okay . Um and as you can see that's what we do next on this thing . So the first thing I have to do is close this so that Ican get to {disfmarker} Where is it ? {vocalsound}Marketing: Red .Project Manager: I need to open mine . Not the agenda .Marketing: Agenda three .ProjectManager: No that th I want the minutes from the previous {disfmarker} minutes .Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: That should be there , minutes . Yeah . Okay. Uh from meeting three , is it alright with you if I don't switch it to show , just use it as is ? 'Cause this way I can more easily flip it . Okay , um obviously all of uswere here for the last meeting , we reviewed the previous minutes before that , um each of you made your presentations . {vocalsound} Um we discussed thevarious possibilities based on what was presented in those presentations . The market trend of fruit and veg , mm spongy , uh fancy and elegant more thantechnologically innovative and that more than easy . Um we decided chip on print would be used . Um we would use plastic with a rubber casing , I think was theconsensus , powered by kinetic energy . There was no decision made on the curvatures or double curvature or straight . Um perhaps the prototype will give us aninkling of that . Um looking like a scroll , but it's really a push button technology , excuse my spelling um that was actually in use , that is uh behind the scenes ispush button which we uh according to Kate have a very good uh grasp on doing that in production . Um we decided that separate fashionable covers coveringyour fruit and veg might be a separate product that could be suggested to management . Um and as suggested um yellow with black buttons with the companylogo , a slogan and image might be a good idea based on the requirements that have been provided to us . Um we did have a few production issues andcoordination of the various bits and we had some conflict of ideas and cost constraints and we ran out of time . Um we had to follow that up and prepare for thelast one . And uh we closed as it ran out of time . Is that a fair presentation of what happened ?Industrial Designer: Yep .User Interface: Yes .Project Manager:Okay , back to this meeting . Um we're down to the prototype presentation .Industrial Designer: Ta-da .User Interface: Alright .Project Manager: Over to you.Industrial Designer: Right .User Interface: Well .Project Manager: Ooh , two .User Interface: Yeah , well you see , each made one , we didn't have enough yellowdough .Project Manager: Ah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: This is the one that I made .Project Manager: Uh-huh .User Interface: It is uhcurved , easy to hold , hand-held , nice and small with big easy buttons . This is like a scroll , but they are push buttons and they enter {disfmarker} takes youinto the different menus . Of course we need someone who's experienced with the television {gap} . I mean this is the infrared thing that's gonna zap at thetelevision . Uh I'm not quite sure how to make that , but I'm sure it will work . Uh this is on off switch , 'cause I think we do need that , and I think it gives it anice balance .Project Manager: 'Kay .User Interface: And it's gonna have the logo imprinted on it uh in there .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Um as forwhat it's actually made of {disfmarker} well the function of these buttons is up , down , left and right {vocalsound} in the different menus .Project Manager:Okay .User Interface: Uh position , I presume that just means right right on it , easy to see . The main feature of it is just a simple design , simple , lack of uhbuttons all over the place . Right ? {vocalsound} Form curved , kind of smooth , hand-held , makes it feel nice to hold . Uh material , I think Kate's gonna tacklethat quite a bit , but I think we have two different options , because we did make a another one , which wa uh is in the shape of banana , it's just {disfmarker} ifyou can imagine this as yellow with black buttons , like just like this but in the shape of a banana ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .User Interface: whichis also nice and easy to hold and feels good and has a similar sort of scroll push button technology , just a slightly different design .Project Manager:{vocalsound}User Interface: Also with on off switch and infrared {disfmarker} {vocalsound} uh I had envisioned it in hard smooth plastic . So like uh{disfmarker} well , I dunno , what's it like ? I guess like an existing remote control , but molded and smooth . Whereas otherwise we'd thought , like with this one{disfmarker} or mix and match , just we were gonna see what you thought , the {disfmarker} uh a more spongy rubber cover with spongy buttons . So we havethe two options we can follow , either the smooth hard plastic or the spongy rubber , depending on cost restraints . And what we well , what conclusion we reachwhen we discuss it . {vocalsound} Uh material {disfmarker} yeah , that's what I have to say about material . Can I scroll down on there and see what else{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Well colour , I think {disfmarker} I definitely have a preference towards bright yellow with blackbuttons , because that's the company colours , but if anybody's got any other suggestions , I'm quite willing to consider them as well . {vocalsound} So , it justdepends what you think about these ideas and if I'm {disfmarker} yeah , maybe , Kate , you better say what you think about them .Industrial Designer: Um wellI don't have very much to add . Um the the case {disfmarker} oops , that's the uh on off button just come off our prototype .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: The the case can be either um spongy rubber or hard plastic . We're not absolutely sure about a combination of the two , but itcan be either of those . We have the technology to do that . Um and as for the the actual components um , uh Steph just said this is a {disfmarker} quite a cheapdevice to manufacture . We have simple rubber push buttons um which provide all the functionality we need . Um the um {vocalsound} the diode that actuallydoes the um infrared is at the end , it's the stalk of the banana , or it's just the thing at the end of this version . Um so that's for material . Colour , well uhSteph's the expert on colour . Um we we don't have any particular restrictions on that . Yeah , I think that's all we've got to say really .User Interface: I thin as foras for the fruit or organic theme , I guess this one is obviously fruit shaped .Industrial Designer: A banana .User Interface: This one has n banana , yeah . Thisone has no obvious connections to fruit , but because it's round and molded , it kinda makes you think sort of organic , touchy-feely , kiddie , it's more like{disfmarker} yeah , you'd expect it to be like a child's sorta toy remote control instead of a real one , which I quite like that sort of image . 'Cause it's very bigand chunky and child-friendly andIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound} Would you care to examine the prototypes , see how they feel in the hand ?User Interface:{vocalsound} Hold them , you see , you know . Curvature , is it to your liking ?Project Manager: Oh I see , the on-off's in the back .Industrial Designer: Yes ,that's so that your index finger automatically goes straight to it .User Interface: {vocalsound} If you don't wanna tire out your thumbs after all .Project Manager:And then you can use your thumb . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And it was partly we thought the design looked better ,User Interface: Yeah . {gap}ProjectManager: I could see this thing , unless it's reinforced , having a problem with the you know {disfmarker}User Interface: Breaking ,Project Manager: yeah .UserInterface: oh right . {vocalsound} Well you see , that's why hard plastic would be quite a good thing for it , because then it'd just be rigid .Marketing: I like thefact that on both of them the keys play such a prominent role .Project Manager: Hmm .User Interface: Yeah , {gap} we really like we really like that design,Marketing: It's really kind of a {disfmarker}User Interface: I mean it looks just like a logo , that arrangement of the keys . Like a c like a compass point , youknow ,Marketing: Mm-hmm mm-hmm .User Interface: just up , down , left and right , and we think we could make that quite a good feature . And it's like the theiPod scroll wheel , {vocalsound} but better .Marketing: Yeah . But it's also like texting ,User Interface: Yeah . Yeah , yeah ,Marketing: you don't{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Hmm .User Interface: I mean it {disfmarker} that's what it makes me think of , mobile phones ,Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: I was try I was thinking , moving your thumb like this , what does that remind me of ?IndustrialDesigner: And it's a very simple design ,Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: It's texting .Industrial Designer: there's not a lot to wrong , the components are cheapto make .Marketing: It's also in terms of um being lost it's it's quite {disfmarker} it looks quite different .User Interface: Hmm .Marketing: You know , I I d I haveseveral {disfmarker} four remotes , and they all look the same until you get up close and you have to {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: you know ,this is really identifiable .User Interface: {vocalsound} I mean the thing is we do need to develop our technology of {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I mean actuallyhow to program the menus and what sort of , you know , text box is gonna appear at the bottom of the screen ,Marketing: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .User Interface:but we do definitely think that it's a viable option .Project Manager: Okay . The next item is evaluation .Marketing: No , okay .Project Manager: Uh if that's{disfmarker} if you're finished .User Interface: {vocalsound} Uh yeah , we're finished .Marketing: Um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing:shall I take your uh power ?Project Manager: Oh sorry .Marketing: Oh .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Try again .Marketing: Okay . This is going to be a heavilyinteractive evaluation , and the method here is to evaluate the new remote control in terms of the user requirements and the hot trends introduced by themarketing department . So , this means we're going to go over the priorities that were raised by uh the consumers a as well as incorporate all of our insight into"}
{"doc_id":"doc_164","qid":"","text":"User Interface: Here we go again .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} My mouse is not working anymore .User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} He's uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Oh .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: when I put it in , is is going to beep beep beep .Marketing: Oh , Igot a nice little screen here over here .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} I got like this big black border uh on every side .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Mm , okay .Project Manager: Everybody ready ?Marketing: {vocalsound} I'll I'll fix it .User Interface: Yeah ,it's okay .Project Manager: Welcome at the functional design meeting , again presented by Maarten .Marketing: Yeah , whatever .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh this is the agenda , the opening . Uh , we've got three presentations . And I'm gonna show you someof the new projects requirements that were sent to me . And we're gonna make a decision on the remote control functions . We have uh forty minutes .Marketing:Yes .Project Manager: Oh , well this is the {vocalsound} the closing already .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So uh {disfmarker} well we start offwith the th the first presentation then . Uh , I think um in uh {disfmarker} we have to do it in uh in right order .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: Maybe the{disfmarker}Marketing: I don't know what the right order is . So {disfmarker}Project Manager: Well , it {disfmarker}User Interface: No .Industrial Designer: Huh.Project Manager: Oh that . It won't {disfmarker} doesn't {disfmarker} Maybe we should start with the the technical functions .Industrial Designer: Okay ,ProjectManager: Yeah ?Industrial Designer: how can I get this on the whiteboard ?Project Manager: Well it's you dumped the file in the uh in the sh in the projectdocument folder .User Interface: In project .Industrial Designer: Okay , I've done that .Project Manager: You've already done that ?User Interface: No can thatopen .Industrial Designer: Yes .Project Manager: Well let's close this one . We'll just uh open a new one .User Interface: Open it there .Project Manager: Uh , well. Yes . Uh-oh . New thing . Oh yeah , uh I have to say something . Uh , due to some uh technical problems I haven't uh digitized the last uh the meeting minutes .But I'll uh make sure that uh happens next time .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Okay . {vocalsound} About the get {disfmarker}Project Manager: And I'llget this one uh in digital uh form too .Industrial Designer: 'Kay , we're going to um uh talk about working design . Um , the method of the remote control is uhelectrical energy , it activates a chip uh in the remote . It's an electrical circuit which compose uh messages in the form of uh uh infrared signals to control thetelevision . Mm , it's a nowadays very uh known , a known uh uh technology . Um , the known technology can make a cost very low . Uh , it's a wild uh{disfmarker} a wide sale uh of uh remote controls in the world . And and the components are very uh very cheap . Um , Uh , diodes , uh bat batteries and uh uhLED lights , they're needed and they're uh everywhere available . Uh , again , it's a fair price . It's a common uh technology uh , like I told um {disfmarker} Uh ,the circuit board , it's the most um important uh um part of the remote control . Uh , we can use for that uh fibreglass with copper wires , it's {disfmarker} it is uh{disfmarker} can be made as fast as printing paper . It's uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} it's all very uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer:Yeah , they're making it uh all the time . Uh ,Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: and it's not uh very specialised uh technology . {vocalsound} I haven'tcome to here , but um I've got uh some uh images of uh remote controls . They were not uh very uh trendy or just uh just a remote control like everyone knows .So I don't know uh why I should put it here . Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . But it's the technical side of the remote control.User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yes , but uh I uh haven't made it because uh of the time .Project Manager: Oh . Okay . Well , we'll we'll have toskip that part then .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} What ?User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: But you don't think it's a problem um to design uh thetechnical part of the remote control ? It's gonna be easy ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} No . Yes .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: But nothingrestricted for user interface ?Project Manager: Yeah . MUser Interface: With technical {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Um , no , it's uh it's just a part of uh aknown technology , yeah .User Interface: I don't know .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: 'Kay .Industrial Designer: Remote control is nothing specialnowadays .Project Manager: R regardless of what type of functions we want to implement . Doesn't really matter .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Um{disfmarker}User Interface: But I kind of uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: I don't think so ,Project Manager: Okay . Yeah , {gap} okay .Industrial Designer:because of the {disfmarker} all the televisions uh {disfmarker} there are a few {disfmarker} maybe a couple of televisions with the new functions ,UserInterface: Yes . Uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: but is it useful to put them on a on a standard uh remote ?Project Manager: Well ,we'll see . We'll see later on .User Interface: Well , the technical functions . Um , well I don't know if you got the same uh pictures as I got ,Project Manager: No.User Interface: but uh I got these two ,Industrial Designer: No .User Interface: and I think they're {disfmarker} we have to focus uh on uh the uh one hand theexpert view or the novice user . {vocalsound} th I think it's it's very much uh depending on the user requirements , I don't s uh know who's doing tProjectManager: Well , uh will there be some uh user requirements later on ? {vocalsound} The ones I {disfmarker} I've uh received from the account manager .UserInterface: Yeah , but it {disfmarker} I think that's very important to watch uh what kind of functions there we want to uh put in a remote control .ProjectManager: Yeah . Well , we'll keep this in mind , and then discuss it later on .User Interface: Yeah , well y we can put functions in it when uh {disfmarker} yeah ,when we uh get the user requirements uh and we can update it .Project Manager: Uh-huh . Okay , but this real this uh big d uh distinction between this type ofremote . {gap} we should we should choose one uh {disfmarker} we should not compromise but uh really choose for uh expert viewer or novice vMarketing: Yes, I agree . Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah ? Well , what {disfmarker} that's what you want {disfmarker} trying to say .User Interface: Well , yeah w if you want trya a a huge market , if you want to reach a huge market , uh like elderly people and {disfmarker} we have to choose for novice user .Project Manager: Okay .Okay .User Interface: But I don't know . It's it's really um depending on how how how far the the the remote controls are already in n um in use .ProjectManager: Yeah , well {vocalsound} some of these {disfmarker} Uh , yeah . Well , some of that will {disfmarker} Yeah , but i but it will be more clear when wecome to the uh u uh some of the new requirements .User Interface: Yeah , probably , yeah .Marketing: Yes .Project Manager: So {disfmarker}User Interface: Uhwell , there are l at least uh basic functions , uh like just th the channels uh one till nine , uh on and off switch , which must be clear with a red button orsomething like that . Um , most standard uh have volume , of course , and a mute function , and , of course , the next and previous channel . I think that's justbasic what we need .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: And from that on we can {gap} user requirements what we need more . Uh {disfmarker} Yeah ,I just um um I thought Joost was looking at the trendy {disfmarker} the trends in the markets , and I don't know if there uh are any um {disfmarker} uh if youput more functions , more buttons , maybe it's com becoming less trendy or something like that .Marketing: Yes .User Interface: M you can just {vocalsound}you can k {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} I haven't really found a conclusion like that .User Interface: you can keep it in mind that .Marketing: Yeah .UserInterface: I don't know . Uh , I th I thought the the {disfmarker} with less buttons you can make a more trendier uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Design .UserInterface: yeah , more trendier design , I think . I think .Marketing: Sounds interesting .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah ?Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: Uh , well , that's all I have to say , I think .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Yeah , that was it .Marketing: {vocalsound}Alright .Project Manager: Well , then the Marketing expert can uh tell us something about the current market .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yes .User Interface:{gap} .Marketing: Yeah . It's alright . Um {disfmarker} Alright , I've done some research for functional requirements . Um {disfmarker} yes . The workingmethod um {vocalsound} there were hundred uh uh w h one hundred people , uh how do you say uh , f watched using remote controls in the usability lab andthey also uh filled out a questionnaire uh with a few questions . Uh , I've lined them up here . Uh , ask whether um common remote control looks good or not ,about willingness to spend money on remote control , about zapping behaviour , and uh and stuff like that . I uh have found some interesting things . We do wedo got a market . Um , {vocalsound} three out of four people claim m uh to find remote controls ugly . So if we make a trendy design , we sure have seventy fiseventy five percent of the market , which you can reach . Um , three out of four users uh zaps a lot , as I uh quoted here from the uh results . {vocalsound} Zapbuttons are used one hundred and sixty eight times per hour . That's quite a lot . Um , {vocalsound} relevant options are , of course , power buttons . Although ,only used once per hour . Uh , channel selection , volume and buttons for text , and the more um , yeah , other functions , like audio settings , video settings ,sound settings are not said to be very important and uh very much used . Furthermore , fifty percent says uh they only use ten percent of the buttons on aremote control . That doesn't say we got {disfmarker} we can leave ninety percent off . But it sure um says we shouldn't make it too uh complicated . Fiftypercent also claims uh to have lost a remote control very often in the room . And um {vocalsound} an important thing here , the most important customers uh ,which is over seventy percent of our market , is in the age range of thirty six to sixty five years old . And uh elderly people , our market , are less interested in uhnice features , but more willingly to spend more money on remote controls . So , {vocalsound} what I was thinking {disfmarker} oh , wrong side . We shouldn'timplement too much features on uh on our remote control , because elderly people will get th lost . Group features for a higher usability , uh what I was claimingin the previous meeting . Um , all the settings , about audio settings , video settings and channel settings , which are not very often used , we could group them"}
{"doc_id":"doc_165","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Right , so start of the first meeting .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh . Right , so agenda of the first meeting . Where weuh {disfmarker} We have twenty five minutes for this meeting .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: We uh are to get acquainted . So does everyone wantto say who they are ? {gap} that seem sensible ?Marketing: Yeah . I'm Robin . I'm the Marketing Manager .User Interface: I'm Louisa . I'm the User InterfaceDesigner .Industrial Designer: I'm Nick . I am the Industrial Designer .Project Manager: And I'm Alastair and I'm the project leader . {vocalsound} Alright okay ,so tool training . Um . {vocalsound} Project plan . So does anyone have any uh thoughts as to the tool training that uh is required ?Industrial Designer: TooltrainingUser Interface: I'm not exactly sure what you mean by tool training .Project Manager: Neither am I {gap} .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh I see , so we shouldn't really be {disfmarker} Oh right okay , so . So we have the project team , which is to um {vocalsound}basically to come up with a new r remote control device .Industrial Designer: {gap}Project Manager: Uh we have uh {disfmarker} the starting base was theoriginal {vocalsound} which has been in existence now for a period of time . And uh our idea is to uh to make the new remote control device uh more userfriendly than the previous one , and to {vocalsound} to be trendier , to be with it , and therefore to uh to get a bigger market share and bigger audience.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: So um {vocalsound} method of doing this is uh split up as you can see into uh {vocalsound} thefunctional design , the conceptional design , and the detailed design . So um {vocalsound} in each of these uh phases we'll uh basically be handing over toyourselves , the designers of this uh this device .Industrial Designer: Yes .Project Manager: And uh having uh meetings so that we can uh during the course of theday um come up with a better better inst implement than we had before . And therefore um have a successful uh conclusion to the day . Um and you'll be doinguh various designs uh throughout the day to meet this end .Marketing: Mm-hmm , okay .Project Manager: So we've got tool training . Try out whiteboard . Uh .{vocalsound} So we will um .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Right so everyone's to uh supposedly uh draw theirfavourite animal over on the white board over there . I guess this is uh make sure the whiteboard works . So uh I don't know who wishes to go first .IndustrialDesigner: Okay {gap} .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Do you wish to go f Have a first bash at uh whatever .User Interface: I don'tmind . {vocalsound}Marketing: I dunno . {vocalsound}User Interface: Um .Project Manager: Ah uh . {vocalsound}User Interface: Let's see .Marketing:{gap}User Interface: Good job I got pockets today .Project Manager: But now you you uh you'll move out from the microphone and the camera .Marketing: Yourmicrophone's just {disfmarker}Project Manager: I take it that {disfmarker}User Interface: Are we supposed to do this right now , do you think , or ?ProjectManager: I would {vocalsound} I would guess so . Or {gap} {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah . I don't know .Industrial Designer: You've lost uh your microphonethere .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Technical problems .User Interface: Oh . Right here we go .Project Manager: I mean you designers are meant to come upwith these sort of things .Industrial Designer: {gap} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}User Interface: Okay . I think that I would have to say that my favourite animal is the cat . Little smiley cat there . Um and this would be becausethey're very independent , uh they're very intelligent , compared to dogs maybe .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:Um {vocalsound} and they can be very very affectionate . Some people don't think so but I know very affectionate cats . Um . Um and they can look afterthemselves .Project Manager: {gap} {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Next . {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Okay , yeah . I'll I'll {disfmarker}User Interface: Shall I rub that out , actually ?Project Manager: I don't see as there's any need to . There's plenty ofspace .Industrial Designer: {gap}Project Manager: I mean whatever . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: We can have have a wholemenagerie . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Exactly .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Shall I see if I can get across without just tangling everything . Okay.Project Manager: We've had more time to prepare over this side ,Industrial Designer: There's one .Project Manager: so we've all stuck our bits and pieces in ourpockets . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Didn't think of that .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: 'Kay uhProject Manager: The three pens are underneath .Industrial Designer: pens are over here . I'll try the red pen . Okay . Um . {vocalsound} I'mgonna go for the bear which I'm {gap} be able to draw very well ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} You get marks for artistic impression . {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: but I'll have a bash at it .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Ooh ooh {gap} I lost it there . I think I've just knocked the microphone . {vocalsound} Um .Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So you're just doing the face . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: We'll g then we'll go for a a s smallsmall bear {gap} .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} and I like my animal that looks nothing like a bear because um I dunno maybe because there's so many cartoon characters madeup after the bear like the jungle book characters and stuff like that .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Great .{vocalsound}Marketing: Right . Hello . Um I'm gonna go for the dog , and I'm gonna draw one badly as well . Uh . {gap} looks like it's going to be a dachshundor something .User Interface: That's quite good . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Right . There's my dog . Um{vocalsound} I like dogs because they're very loyal . And they're always happy , so whenever whenever you're feeling sort of a bit a bit down or tired , they'realways coming up and they're always um quite excited . So um you can always have a lot of fun with a dog . And they're also good for exercise as well . You cansorta get out and they they sorta never get tired . And and when they're tired they're quite cute as well , so . {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay , that's why I like dogs .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Right , um. {vocalsound} Well I've not actually had too many pets uh over my uh time 'cause to be honest with you uh {gap} I'm not too keen on them anyway . Not toworry . So what my daughters have got at the moment is they've got uh a few fish and so hopefully um won't prove too difficult to draw . Uh {vocalsound}{vocalsound} {gap}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: As you can see that my artist artistic work is useless as well .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Anyway um . {vocalsound} And uh one of the best uh things about fish is that they don't really take uh too much looking after because uh with most ofthe animals if you're going away on holiday or whatever , you've gotta spend money or get a friend or whatever to look after them for you . Whereas if you gotfish , you just gotta put the food in a a a dripper feed which feeds them over the uh couple of weeks that you're away and uh change the water every couple ofmonths , and buy in a few plants , so . Other than the fact that they keep dying ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: uh fish are uh {vocalsound}are not are are are reasonable pets in that uh they're low maintenance .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} Great .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Right . Okay , uh if we're still all with us . Right okay , so . Work has been done on uh this uh project whereby um twenty five Euros is uh the uh expected uh selling price . That information has come from our marketing manager here . {vocalsound}Marketing:Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: So we're looking to sell internationally , not just in Europe . We're looking at um having our production costslimited to uh twelve and an half Euro per unit . And therefore making a profit margin of uh {disfmarker} well not actually a profit margin it's uh {disfmarker}because obviously you're gonna have overheads and various other costs to uh take uh from uh from that to give you your profit margin per unit . And sodepending what the uh the overhead uh costs are will determine uh how many units we're uh looking to sell or projecting to sell at this point in time .IndustrialDesigner: {gap}Project Manager: So um {disfmarker} Experience with remote control , first ideas . New remote . So I guess we're looking at um having adiscussion at this point in time to help uh you um folks design our our new model as it were .Industrial Designer: Yes . {gap}Project Manager: So uh any anythoughts ?Industrial Designer: Um I {gap} with some remote controls the buttons were a little small so they're quite hard to press so maybe we make somethingwith uh easy to press buttons . As that is the main function .Project Manager: Okay , so so basically we're looking for some um {disfmarker} we're looking for adevice that is um robust and and therefore uh won't get damaged too easily .Industrial Designer: Yes .Project Manager: Um we're looking for a device that is uh{disfmarker} What was the other things you said there ?Industrial Designer: Um sort of easy to use so the buttons are accessible .Project Manager: Easy to use .Use .Industrial Designer: {gap} is easy to use and see .Project Manager: And see .Industrial Designer: Yes .Project Manager: Okay . Uh .User Interface: Can Ijust check ? {vocalsound} Is this just a television remote ? Because a lot of um systems are kind of T_V_ video combined now , or T_V_ D_V_D_ combined.Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: And one of the most annoying things is having like five remotes in the house . So if you've got a combined system ,it could be a combined remote .Industrial Designer: {gap}User Interface: Or is it just a television that we're supposed to be doing ?Marketing: Mm .ProjectManager: Oh I w um basically I'll get back to you on that .Industrial Designer: {gap}Project Manager: But it seems to me sensible ,User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: 'cause {disfmarker} as you rightly said , there's nothing more annoying than having three or four devices littered about the uh"}
{"doc_id":"doc_166","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay , welcome everyone to our next meeting . I'm busy writing and busy leading the meeting , but um I've prepared a little presentation onceagain um or at least an agenda I think uh the biggest part of the presentation will be uh on your side . Um we are here at the conceptual design meeting , whichis hereby opened . Um once again I will try to uh write some minutes which I just from the previous meeting uh placed inside our project folder , which was quitesome typing . Um today we once again have uh three presentations , if I'm right , and after that we will take a decision on the remote control concepts . And justas the last time we have forty minutes to accomplish that . Okay , wellIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I'd say let's start with the firstpresentation .Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: Um in the same order as last time ?Industrial Designer: W sure .User Interface: Mm . Alright .Project Manager:Okay . Well , take it away .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {gap} {vocalsound} Okay uh welcome you all .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Components design , um {vocalsound} uh first of all uh I would like to uh uh accommodate some ofthose uh things I uh uh {disfmarker} elaborate some of the things I did . I I elaborated on the concept . What should be um uh said about uh the components ,uh its properties and what kind of materials should we use to uh to make uh one of those r remote controls . Uh well first of all I've uh d subtracted some of thecomponents that is that are used uh are w w um {vocalsound} you know from what uh the remote control's formed . Uh first of all , the case , the case , thesurrounding of the of the the remote control . {vocalsound} I would like to uh give you an idea of uh how I thought about .Marketing: Don't destroy my giraffe.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Giraffe's gone now .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay um the case was is madefrom rubber , I suppose . There's one of the {disfmarker} because when you use a remote control a lot of people uh will uh will uh drop their remotecontrolMarketing: Drop it .User Interface: Hmm .Industrial Designer: and they break uh becau the uh titanium was also an option . But uh it's a very expensivematerial . Uh rubber is , I think , uh the best suitable uh material uh to use uh for our uh for our remote control . Um it's poss it's also possible to uh create fancycolours with rubber . Uh rubber l makes it easy to uh to to {disfmarker} it lets lets itself colour . Uh titanium uh you have to paint it and with that uh it's possibleto scratch it or uh yeah make it ugly . Uh rubber uh the total uh piece of rubber that's sor uh that's that's used uh to make the case is uh the same colour , so ifyou scratch it it's still the same colour , perhaps uh it's a little bit damaged . But it's a very strong material . Um {vocalsound} I h I had an idea single covered uhcurved , sorry , single curved .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh so it's t two dimensional . I think it's uh it's best to draw ohUser Interface:{vocalsound} It's a colour . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: green .Marketing: {vocalsound} Bright colour . Fancy colour . Forward .Industrial Designer: Uh{disfmarker} New . Blank . Okay .Marketing: You have to go tIndustrial Designer: Let's make it uh black . Okay . I thought of an idea like this . Oh {gap} that .{vocalsound} Um delete . Blank . Okay . So it also looks nice when it's on your table .User Interface: {gap}Industrial Designer: So you get uh it doesn't lay flatdown on the table , but it's c it's stands .Marketing: Oh it's a side view .Industrial Designer: Side view yes it's side view so uh I I'm not technically good at ththree D_ modelling ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: but .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Um uh it's just an idea I had so it's uh it'svery uh so its also looks nice when it's on the table . Um the graphical user interface and the buttons , uh we also thought about that already . Uh I thought aboutuh the L_C_D_ touch screen , which is uh is easy to clean too . One of the great uh advantages of the L_C_D_ screen you just use some {gap} or uh another uhcleaning uh uh cl some cleaning stuff .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And um it should be made of strong plastic and it should be bright . Well Ialready uh s uh explained some properties of that material and I think uh well we also we almost concluded about that uh this should uh be uh our uh buttoncomponent .Marketing: True .Industrial Designer: So uh uh that's all about uh the buttons . Uh the batteries , uh we also thought about that already , uh will bechargeable with uh uh an option for a mount station so you can uh put the uh {vocalsound} the remote control in a mount station so its charges itself up insteadof uh plugging it in or something like that . Questions , {gap} ?User Interface: No . {vocalsound}Marketing: No no no no no . Just looking .Industrial Designer:And they should be long lasting , not uh not be empty uh in about uh two minutes or uh thirty minutes or forty minutes of use . And next step is the chip uh ththe component that's uh makes or transmits the signal to the television . Uh there was an option to use s a rather simple chip but I think uh because uh of our uhhighly uh requiring uh requirements , there should be an advanced chip in itUser Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: with uh also the ability to uhfacilitate speaker speech recognition uh which unfortunately is still in a test phase , so uh there should be some more uh investigation on that side . Uh mypersonal preferences uh I also overheard in the last meeting that there shou we should use uh our own business colours . That was correct , wasn't it ?ProjectManager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Okay . I think they are rather boring for um for use with rubber .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well ,business colours I thought it was the the slogan and uh the corporate image , so yeah , it needs colour ,Industrial Designer: Okay they should be m sh theyshould be in mind ,Project Manager: but I don't think you have to make the entire thing in the corporate colour . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: wasn't it ?Okay so it d it doesn't says uh to uh have the slogan ?Project Manager: It must be recognisable .Industrial Designer: Okay okay . Well that's possible of course.User Interface: You can put the R_ and R_ . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: We could make a little R_ and R_ {gap} on the top of the machine . Uh so they are{vocalsound} pretty boring , I suggest , because just the availability with rubber to make fantastic colours uh and also in a lot of possible colours , so it's possibleto make very uh fancy uh remote controls which peopl uh who people in which people will find they're uh interesting . And uh will buy uh {vocalsound} themfaster when they look at the same old grey or black uh colours . Uh s as I said uh before rubber is uh is impossible to damage severely imp instead of uh of courseyou can break it when you you when you break it in s for example with a pair of scissors or something like that , but i if you drop it it's not uh broken uh rightaway s instead of using uh plastic , hard plastic or uh titanium . And I personally liked uh the single curved uh remote control , because it yeah it makes sense.User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay . Well that's all about my uh my findings .User Interface: Alright .Project Manager: Okay ,thank you .User Interface: I will go next .Marketing: Mm mm mm . Next .User Interface: {gap}Industrial Designer: {gap}User Interface: Alright soIndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}User Interface: I thought a little bit about the interface . Uh how it should look . And uh {vocalsound} uh we uh determined that will notbe no buttons , but only an L_C_D_ screen , so I had to uh look on that . And the design is therefore based on what we just uh uh thought of . Uh first there aresome new findings and new technology for speech recognition . And this is that uh um uh uh you you ask you give a question through through the device and itanswers you . And they already uh put this in an in a coffee maker . And so that it you say uh good morning , uh coffee maker , and it says t says to you backgood morning Joe or what's your name .Industrial Designer: Mm .User Interface: This uh and there's an easy way to uh program that uh you say record into thedevice into the speaker and then you say the question and three seconds later you say the answer and then when you say the question it gives you the answer .Um perhaps it's useful ,Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: Mm .User Interface: perhaps for because people um lose the remote ,Industrial Designer: Mm.User Interface: they can yell uh remote where are you and {gap} calls or something .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: It's true .User Interface: Andperhaps we could uh implement that .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: And then I have to go out of the presentation because Itried to make some kind of a a idea of how it should look likeIndustrial Designer: Oh my God . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: but I can't draw , so uhdon't {vocalsound} make too much of it {vocalsound} . I tried to uh the L_C_D_ screen I tried to sort of to draw {gap} . I thought uh at least uh the icon for thevolume . I don't know if there is an icon for the program , butIndustrial Designer: Not just a P_ .User Interface: yeah .Marketing: P_ yeah , just a P_ .UserInterface: So uhIndustrial Designer: .. . {gap}User Interface: and then the buttons above and uh belowMarketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: the and the andthe mute button also recognisable as an icon . Um .Marketing: Where's where's the button for two {gap} ?User Interface: I forgot that one . {vocalsound} Ithought I forgot something ,Industrial Designer: {gap}Marketing: Okay .User Interface: but uh {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:And uh and uh the numbers , that should be a bit larger I think it's not really on scale and and so forth .Industrial Designer: Ah .Marketing: Doesn't matter .UserInterface: Um an options button . And I thought the the button for teletext apar uh apart because it's not really options , I think . It's uh options is the settings ofthe remote and of the T_V_ and that kind of uh thing .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: No .User Interface: So could call it settings or something.Industrial Designer: Yep .User Interface: But this is a bit uh how I thought it . And uh the L_C_D_ uh somewhere on the remote . Perhaps we could be morecurvy the remote perhaps should , so that it's better in your hand or something uh .Industrial Designer: Oh okay ,User Interface: But uh and and uh a microphmicrophone for the speech uh recognition if we want to implement that .Industrial Designer: yeah .User Interface: Uh and then uh if you press the op optionsbutton , now we have an example of and then you should get the other options with what what you could do and that you could do with something like this this.Industrial Designer: Oh yeah , {gap} .User Interface: And uh it's also uh I thought think we discussed uh earlier that uh older people don't really want to use uhthese extra settings . And older people a also don't really want to use this uh th this kind of option menus . So they want to u use one button and then something"}
{"doc_id":"doc_167","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay , is everybody ready ?Industrial Designer: Yeah ?Marketing: Yeah I'd to just put on my microphone here and I'll be right with you .ProjectManager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Okay ?Project Manager: Um {vocalsound} I take it you all have received instructions as to what you were supposed todoIndustrial Designer: Mm ?User Interface: Yes .Project Manager: and um I think the Marketing Manager probably should go first , addressing the needs anddesires .Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay you want me to start right now ?Project Manager: Yeah , mm-hmm .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: Well , could you um put my slides up 'cause I think it might be helpful if uh we looked at the slides at the same time .Project Manager:Okay . You're participant four .Marketing: I'm participant four I believe . Yes uh-huh .Project Manager: Okay , and now I can uh full screen .Marketing: 'Kay.Industrial Designer: Open .Project Manager: Uh , okay , okay .Marketing: There we go . Okay well I think we have introduced ourselves ,Industrial Designer: Andthen full screen .Marketing: so the functional requirements are {disfmarker} is {vocalsound} is part of my goal but why don't we pass right to the second slide .Cause that's where m my discussion starts . Right well um since I'm in charge of trying to figure out what we should put on this thing since I have to try to sell it.Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Um {vocalsound} I thought that the method I should follow would be gather suggestions from everybody , and th thereason I just put that there like that is that uh in the init in the initial stage I think I should just be open to lots of suggestions . You know you can say anythingyou want no matter how silly it sounds you know it should run your car , it should heat up your motor if should um turn on your C_D_ {vocalsound} whatever youwant it to do {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: 'Kay .Marketing: um and then as we go on what we'll have to do is accept and eliminate these suggestionsaccording to um design and budget feasibility . So I'll be coming to you um frequently as the Industrial Expert to tell me how hard it's gonna be to add a featureor how expensive it's gonna be or if your time , if it takes five years to develop this it's just something we can't do .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm . Yeah . Yeah .Yeah . Hmm hmm . Mm .Marketing: So in the beginning just have a big puddle of things that we {disfmarker} anybody can th throw anything inIndustrialDesigner: Yeah .Marketing: and then just weed things out that can't be done for one reason or another , and then the things that seem the most attractive that touh to a customer we'll try to then prioritise those .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm . Yeah .Marketing: So that was um what I meant there , and as I said on theslide there consulting the Industrial Engineer about that and the other thing is timing is really gonna be as important as money , because if we're gonna sell thisthing , I think the best time to sell it is as a Christmas present . Twenty five Euros makes a nice little present , and we want it to be an impulse purchase,Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: we want somebody to see it and think it's , gee I just gotta have that . And take out their wallet and buy it . So it's gotta bereally attractive and it {disfmarker} but it's gotta go to market by September , 'cause anything that you don't already have out there in September showing itaround , isn't gonna sell for Christmas .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Um {vocalsound} and then I'll be coming to you as the User Interface person to tryto tell me from your point of view what are the most friendly features that we could put on it and try to prior help me with that prioritising of uh of the featuresand of the the look and the colourUser Interface: Okay .Marketing: and I'll be coming back to you to help weed out those suggestions from that point of view.User Interface: Okay .Marketing: So I'll be coming to you for how much is it gonna cost us and how long is it gonna take you ,Industrial Designer: Mm mm-hmm.Marketing: and I'll be coming to you to tell me what's gonna make somebody take out their wallet you know ,User Interface: What features .Marketing: whatwhat's what's gonna really be what they call a sizzle ,User Interface: S sellable . Yes {vocalsound} .Marketing: 'cause we gotta sell this sizzle {vocalsound}.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: A lot of times the thing that works the best from an engineering point of view isn't the thing that somebody's reallyjust gonna take out their wallet and buy for Christmas for for their child or for their husband or whatever .User Interface: Yes .Marketing: Okay can we go to thenext slide please ? Alright I I already did a little bit of research after our first meeting where we threw out some ideas and it looks to me that within the budgetthat we're looking at the uh the whole house idea really isn't gonna be possible . So I'd like your suggestions to come back to the other slide where I was sayingwe we could suggest anything .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: I'd like the suggestions to be really specific , so that we'll have a list of things we cancross off , not something like you know whole house control what'll be {vocalsound} {disfmarker} And then I found on the internet from from my research thatsome extended electronic entertainment control should be possible . At the budget that we're looking at and at the price point we're looking at , we should be ableto make it work the T_V_ , the V_C_R_ , the stereo set um maybe something else cute like a coffee pot or one other appliance or maybe a lamp .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Uh okay , can can I at this point interject um something ?Marketing: I have to wind up ? Yeah , sure .Project Manager: Um we have receivedinstruction from higher up that certain things should not be uh considered . Um the one thing for example {disfmarker} something to eliminate maybe that's theteletext ,Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: because that's sort of outdated with the internet ,Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager:and according to to higher management the {disfmarker} it should only control the T_V_ ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: mostly because they feelthat it's too comp complex a task to um to to include other things ,Industrial Designer: Complicated , yeah , of course .Project Manager: and they are concernedwith the time to market .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Of course , yeah .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: Um and the{disfmarker}Marketing: Okay , so that's something {disfmarker}Project Manager: and the third thing that they wanna make sure um that their {disfmarker} thatthe corporate image is being maintained , and that the corporate colour and design are being used on the product , so that it's easy that that that they can beeasily identified as a product of of of the company , and that there's no mistake that it could be somebody else who is bringing this out .Industrial Designer:Mm-hmm .Project Manager: So I just wanted to interject this here so we're not getting too much off track here with uh with the things we wanna look at . Thesewere instructions from higher up so we have to eliminate uh these things , so it's only gonna be T_V_ ,Marketing: Okay so {disfmarker}Project Manager: but theone thing maybe that could be um eliminated is the teletext uh idea .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Mm 'kay .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: Alright ,thanks for that . Um alright now {vocalsound} other things that I found out on {disfmarker} in my research is that the complaints that people have about theremote controls that are out there now . 'Cause a lot of them take too much time to learn how to use , and that was thirty four percent but even more importantthe thing that we did address in our last meeting that frequently it's lost somewhere in the room . Um so those are two things that we definitely do wanna address, uh we wanna s make it as simple as possible , we wanna make it um obvious and intuitive to use , and then the things about finding it we talked about the{disfmarker} a light emitting thing as well as uh maybe a beep , and I think that those are things after my research that we definitely wanna try to incorporate .'Kay can we go to the next slide please ? Okay , so , my personal preferences in this um project are really have to concentrate on the sizzle . That is the sellingpoint , the thing that's gonna make it an impulse purchase . Uh because once there's no be-back , well in sales they always say you know , be-backs don't comeback .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: If somebody says , oh I'll come back and get it next week you're dead . They're never gonna come back andbuy it . You've gotta make it attractive enough so they buy it now now now w now is a big word in in my book for selling this thing . And , in order to make itreally sellable we've gotta shorten the learning curve , make sure it's really intuitive and easy to use . We have to have as few buttons as possible , because morebuttons is more confusion , so that's why I'm saying , simplicity is good . Finding it's important , obviously you can't use it if you can't find it . So we've gottaconcentrate on the features that help you find it , and I've already said this several times but I put it down in writing here , it should be an attractive impulsepurchase at twenty five Euros . So it has to have enough value that when somebody looks at it they say , uh twenty five Euros I'm not gonna take that . Has to beso great that they're gonna say , uh twenty five Euros isn't much . Um and then maybe a motto , like we put fashion in electronics might be something we canuse in our marketing campaign .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Okay that's uh about it for me right now .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . And uhwho would be next , uh , I guess that would be you . Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Yeah 'kay .Project Manager: You want me to get your slide show up?Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah sure .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Thank you .Project Manager: And you are number three ?IndustrialDesigner: Number two ,Project Manager: Number two .Industrial Designer: yeah . Yeah exactly .Project Manager: Okay . Okay .Industrial Designer: Uh can youmake it uh full screen please ?Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Yep .Industrial Designer: No , it's like a well you you have to press here . The cup cup shape here?Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah yeah , uh-huh .Industrial Designer: The thir third .Project Manager: There , mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Yeahexactly . Uh so today I'm going to talk about the working design of the remote controller . Um can you go to the next sli slide please ?Marketing: Okay .ProjectManager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: The metal is like uh in a remote controller you have a chip integrated circuit which is like a brain of the remote controller. It takes the power from a battery say a battery it it can be a elec an electric supply like you have to uh like uh switch connec connect connect your remotecontroller to uh power supply from the you know electricity or something like that . It should be a battery because uh uh remote controller should be like you youyou should take it t to wherever you want and then um uh thMarketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: this integrated circuitry takes energy from the power"}
{"doc_id":"doc_168","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh .User Interface: DuProject Manager: Okay . Thanks for coming to this meeting .Marketing: Hm .Project Manager: S how wedoing on our remote ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: We have some {disfmarker} we have some ideas and some uh ideas for what people want.User Interface: Uh we yes s I've lo {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: I've done the role that I was asked to do anyway .Project Manager:Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound} I think .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Alright let's just go over the agenda real quick for thismeeting . See if I can't get things uh moving along here a little bit better . Um I'll go over what we went over last time , which shouldn't take long . Then I believeeach of you have a presentation . Um I've was sent a a couple more requirements for our remote , what they want . Um then we can come to a conclusion on uhwhat we want the remote to do , um and how it's going to do it hopefully . And uh then we'll have the closing . {vocalsound} Um which we'll have forty minutesfor . Uh let's see , the last meeting we went over um {vocalsound} who was responsible for what . I'm responsible for leading the meetings , keeping the notes ,uh and coming up with the final presentation . Um Corinne is our Marketing Expert . She's gonna figure out what what um the consumer wants . Um{vocalsound} Ryan is our User Interface Designer . And Manuel is the Industrial Designer . So you're gonna come up with the ideas Ryan , and you're gonna pick'em apart .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um we decided our remote , uh we want it to be a universal remote uh that everyonewould want . Um we want to be modern , um fun , different . Uh it needs to be sturdy , um easy to find , so we gonna have that locator function . Um and wewant to be different . Um and then we went over a couple of different ideas . Ball-shaped phone . The keyboard shape . Um we decided that it should probably beone-handed . Something we could use with one hand . Um and that was our last meeting . So um why don't um {disfmarker} Do each of you have a presentation?Marketing: Yep .Project Manager: Okay . I'll hand it off to you and um {disfmarker} Does anyone {disfmarker} do you wanna go first ?Marketing: Sure .ProjectManager: So we can maybe see what uh what the people want .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: What was it ? Function ?Industrial Designer: Eight .F_ eight .Marketing: F_ eight ? Well . {vocalsound} How do I get it {disfmarker}User Interface: Slide show .Project Manager: To go to the next one ?Marketing:Oh right right right .Project Manager: Yeah you click on that guy .Marketing: That one ?Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Okay . Alright . Well , this is my report, which is going to be based pretty much on a survey that I was sent . Oh gosh , I've no idea . {vocalsound} GUser Interface: Just press the arrow keys I think .Usually goes to it .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Sorry I actually need to see something else on my screen .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Hit F_ eight again .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: I think .Marketing: And then ? Again ?ProjectManager: Yeah . You want it to be on both screens , or just just yours ?Marketing: No I want something else on mine . Is that possible ?Project Manager: Yeahbut I think you have to hit escape . And then you can {disfmarker} Yeah .Marketing: Okay but now you don't have that .Project Manager: Oh hit F_ eight again.Marketing: {vocalsound} Sorry guys .Project Manager: I know . I did the same thing . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: And then it shouldcome up here shortly . 'Kay .Marketing: {vocalsound} So is there no way I can give you the slideshow andProject Manager: I think {disfmarker} oh give us theslideshow and something on your screen ?Marketing: yeah . Yeah .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: Oh well .Project Manager: I'm not sure . You could maybeminimise that screen and then have them both up at the same time I think .Marketing: Yeah . It's okay . Okay . Um so first of all , the method that I used was bydoing some marketing research ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: by um doing research on some interviews that were conducted . And then someinternet research . And I was sent a report that was {disfmarker} I think there were a hundred remote users that they interviewed . And so I will show you someof the results from that , which I think will be helpful . Um okay here are some of the findings . They said that the users dislike the look and feel of their currentremote controls . And seventy five percent of the users find their remote controls to be ugly . Which is a fairly significant number I would say . And eighty percentof the users would be willing to spend more money if they could get a remote that would look fancy . So I think that earlier we were onto something when wewere talking about having it be a modern cool look , I think that's definitely important . Um they say that current remote controls do not match well the operatingbehaviour of the user . Seventy five percent of users said they zap a lot . And if anyone could clarify what that means ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} JustjusUser Interface: Is is it j just justMarketing: Zap , does that just mean like changing the channel ?User Interface: just using itIndustrial Designer: yeah .UserInterface: yeah .Marketing: Okay . {vocalsound} Um and fifty percent of the users say that they're only using ten percent of the buttons on their remote control .And there was something else , they kept track of the frequency per hour in using certain buttons . And some of them it looks like barely need to be included at all. Of course channel selection is used the most frequently . And then teletext was the next . Volume and then power . And then audio settings and screen settingsand channel settings were practically never used . So I think we could definitely eliminate or somehow combine a lot of the functions into one button . Um thebiggest user frustrations , as we said fifty percent of people find that their remotes are lost somewhere , and so I think a tracking device of some sort would be agood idea . They said it take {disfmarker} thirty four percent said it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote . And twenty six percent said that thecontrols are bad for R_S_I_ . {vocalsound}User Interface: A repetitive strain injury .Marketing: What is it ?User Interface: Just repetitive strain injury . I think .That's what I guess .Marketing: Okay . Okay . And so bas okay . Um as far as speech recognition goes , um the younger group looks like they're all for it . Fromthe fifteen to twenty five age group over ninety percent said they would pay more . And it kind of just went down incrementally . The groups at {disfmarker} theolder they get it looks like the less willing they are to pay , so maybe we could discuss this and think {disfmarker} and decide if we think it's worth investing inthis . At least if we're targeting the younger groups . And so in conclusion . Some things that I drew from this are that I think we were correct . We definitely needto focus on a new modern appearance , since so many people seem to be concerned about the ugliness of their remote control . Um a multifunctional remotecould be a good thing to explore . So you only have one rather than five different remotes sitting all over your room . Uh we need to simplify the remote andreduce the number of buttons , get rid of the ones that don't seem to be serving much purpose . And then lastly I thought that maybe we could discuss the ideaof speech recognition . And that's it .Project Manager: 'Kay . Very nice . Now we actually have some ideas of what what people want , what we should focus on .Uh {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Wait can I look at that real quick ? {gap} .Marketing: Oh yeah . Sorry did you guys get time to writeeverything that you needed ?User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: 'Kay .User Interface: Having just listened to what Corinne just said , I'll draw on some of the thingsas well . {vocalsound} {gap} Some things that sort of relevant to what I wanna say . 'Kay so I'm just gonna yeah approach the technical functions design . Um{vocalsound} the method I used was to explore the uh technical functions of a remote control .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: And t s simplest approachthat I came to is is to change , programme and operate an electronic device remotely . I mean that's an obvious thing to say , but it's not attached to the devicethat you want to control . Um I had some things sent to me . Not very much . To look at similar devices . Um defined in some them . And then the personalpreferences that I will suggest . Um we discussed a universal one . Um like it's just been brought up again then . But I think a universal remote control is actuallyquite a difficult object to design , and po possibly within maybe the budget that we do it , um because you'd need to know all the spef specifications of a all thelike electronic companies . I'm not sure have you ever come across a universal remote control yourself , but you have to {disfmarker} i they're a nightmare touse . You have to set them , reset them to everything . Um and that would only add buttons . Whereas I think the aim is to take away buttons . So I think it'd bebetter maybe to concentrate on maybe just a universal one for T_V_s . Um or maybe just one that you could we could design and then different people ,manufacturers could use it to set to their specifications , if if the aim is to get something that's unique in design . Um {disfmarker} Okay here here's just twopictures of remote controls . They're just simple T_V_ remote controls . But one is uh user-centred . That is the one on the left . And you can straight away seethere's less buttons . And the other one is {gap} engineer-centred where that's more uh specified for the sort of the elaborate piece of equipment it's trying tocontrol um {disfmarker} {gap} which appeals more to the product that we want , and on what the {gap} have said and the market research and stuff {gap}probably looking at something that should be user-centred . Fewer buttons , simpler to use , and if ten percent um is hidden away {disfmarker} if ten percent iswhat's used , maybe the other fifty percent , the buttons that are used very rarely like programming , they could be hidden maybe under {disfmarker} someremote controls you might have come across have maybe a little flip thi thing where they're hidden away . And the main buttons are the ones you or the ones youcome across . Um and finally , um uh sort I've sort of covered that , our product I think should be user interface orientated . Um {disfmarker} Like I said toconcentrate on T_V_ remote control , a universal remote might be too complex . Um and as what it , the major findings {gap} market researchers have said , it'sthe image and the appearance that people di dislike . So that we should concentrate on something that would set a trend . And that's it .Industrial Designer:{gap} cable there . Thank you .Project Manager: What was your last conclusion on that one ? Focus on uh the iUser Interface: On something on the image of it.Project Manager: the image of it .User Interface: Uh the f the actual design .Project Manager: 'Kay . Good . Good .Industrial Designer: Okay . Gonna talk to you"}
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What do you do ,Grad E: It 's actually a lot more comfortable then if you try to put it over your temples ,Grad F: Test , test test .Professor B:you do it higher ?Grad E: so {disfmarker}Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD D: Adam 's just trying to generate good uh data for the recognizer there .Postdoc G: Yeah, I think we 're supposed to {disfmarker} that 's right .Grad E: And then also , for {disfmarker} for all of them , if your boom is adjustable , the boom should betowards the corner of your mouth ,Grad F: Test test .PhD A: By the way , there was a bug . Yeah , i it wasn't using the properPhD D: Oh it was .Grad E: andabout a uh a thumb to a thumb and a half distance away from your mouth ,PhD A: basically it wasn't adapting anything .PhD D: Oh .Grad E: so about like I 'mwearing it now .PhD D: Oh that 's interesting . So why didn't you get the same results and the unadapted ?Grad E: so so Jane , you could actually do even a littlecloser to your mouth ,PhD H: It 's not always possible .PhD A: Hmm ?PhD D: Why didn't you get the same results and the unadapted ?Postdoc G: I could{disfmarker} can this be adjuste like this ?Grad E: but {disfmarker}PhD A: Oh , because when it estimates the transformer pro produces like a single matrix orsomething .Grad E: Yep .Postdoc G: Is that @ @ ? OK , thank you .Grad F: Adam , I 'm not {disfmarker}PhD D: O Oh oh I see .Grad F: uh , looks kinda low onchannel five {disfmarker}PhD D: I see , I see .Professor B: OK .Grad F: no ?Grad E: Channel five , s speak again .Grad F: Maybe not .Postdoc G: Hello .PhD A:Basically there were no countsGrad E: Yeah , that 's alright .Grad F: Hello ?Grad E: I mean , we could {disfmarker} we could up the gain slightly if you wanted to.Grad F: It 's OK ?PhD H: Yeah .Grad F: Is this OK ?PhD H: OK .PhD D: I see what you mean .PhD C: Who 's channel B ?Grad E: but {disfmarker} Uh , channel Bis probably Liz .PhD C: Uh oh .PhD H: Uh channel B {disfmarker} I am channel B .Professor B: You wanna close this ,Postdoc G: Channel eight , eight .ProfessorB: orPhD C: No IGrad E: Thank you .PhD H: No , channel B .PhD A: Hello , hello .PhD C: yeah , yeah , you 're channel B .PhD H: Yeah , yeah .PhD C: So can youtalk a bit ? I thought it might be tooPhD H: OK , yeah , channel B , one two three four five .PhD C: OK .Grad E: Yeah , it 's alright . So , the gain isn't real good.Professor B: We 're recording ,PhD C: OK .Professor B: right ?Grad E: OK , so we are recording .PhD H: Ah .Professor B: Yeah .PhD A: OK .Grad E: Um everyoneshould have at least two forms possibly three in front of you depending on who you are .Grad F: Oh .Grad E: Um we {disfmarker} we 're doing a new speakerform and you only have to spea fill out the speaker form once but everyone does need to do it . And so that 's the name , sex , email , et cetera .PhD H: Mm -hmm .Grad E: We {disfmarker} we had a lot of discussion about the variety of English and so on so if you don't know what to put just leave it blank . Um I{disfmarker} I designed the form and I don't know what to put for my own region ,PhD A: Mmm .Grad E: soPhD D: California .PhD A: I think {disfmarker}GradE: California .PhD H: California .PhD A: Um may I make one suggestion ? Instead of age put date of {disfmarker} uh year of birthGrad E: Sure .PhD A: becauseage will change , but The year of birth changes , you know , stays the same , usually .Grad E: Oh .PhD C: A actually , wait a minute ,Grad E: Birth year ?PostdocG: Although on {disfmarker}PhD A: Yeah .PhD C: shouldn't it be the other way around ?PhD D: Not for me .Postdoc G: course on the other {disfmarker} on theother hand you could {disfmarker} you view it as the age at the time of the {disfmarker}PhD C: On the other side ,PhD A: Well the thing is , if ten years fromnow you look at this form knowing that {disfmarker}PhD C: yeah .Postdoc G: Yes , but what we care about is the age at {disfmarker} at the recording daterather than the {disfmarker}PhD C: O yeah .PhD D: But there 's no other date on the form .PhD C: W we don't care how they {disfmarker} old they really are.PhD A: Well {disfmarker} well I don't know .Postdoc G: Yes . {vocalsound} Unless we wanna send them a card .Grad E: Well I guess it depends on how long thecorpus is gonna be collected for .PhD A: Anyway .Postdoc G: Yeah , that 's true .PhD C: I still don't see the problem .Grad E: Either way yeah I think {disfmarker}I think age is alrightPhD A: OK .Grad E: and then um there will be attached to this a point or two these forms uh so that you 'll be able to extract the date offthatPhD A: Mm - hmm .Grad E: so , anyway . And so then you also have a digits form which needs to be filled out every time , the speaker form only once , thedigit form every time even if you don't read the digits you have to fill out the digits form so that we know that you were at the meeting . OK ? And then also if youhaven't filled one out already you do have to fill out a consent form . And that should just be one person whose name I don't know . OK ?Grad F: Do you want this{pause} Adam ?Grad E: Uh sure . Thank you .Professor B: So uhGrad E: OK so should we do agenda items ?Professor B: Uh oh that 's a good idea . I shouldn'trun the meeting .Grad E: Uh well I have {disfmarker} I wanna talk about new microphones and wireless stuff .Postdoc G: Mmm .Grad E: And I 'm sure Liz andAndreas wanna talk about recognition results . Anything else ?PhD C: I guess {disfmarker} what time do we have to leave ? Three thirty ?PhD A: Yeah .PhD C:Yeah ,Grad E: Why don't you go first then .PhD C: so .Professor B: Yeah , good idea .PhD A: OK .PhD C: Um Well , I {disfmarker} I sent out an email s couplehours ago so um with Andreas ' help um Andreas put together a sort of no frills recognizer which is uh gender - dependent but like no adaptation , no cross - wordmodels , no trigrams {disfmarker} a bigram recognizer and that 's trained on Switchboard which is telephone conversations . Um and thanks to Don 's help whwho {disfmarker} Don took the first meeting that Jane had transcribed and um {vocalsound} you know separated {disfmarker} used the individual channels wesegmented it in into the segments that Jane had used and uh Don sampled that so {disfmarker} so eight K um and then we ran up to I guess the first twentyminutes , up to synch time of one two zero zero so is that {disfmarker} that 's twenty minutes or so ? Um yeah because I guess there 's some ,Grad E: Or so.PhD C: and Don can talk to Jane about this , there 's some bug in the actual synch time file that ah uh I 'm {disfmarker} we 're not sure where it came from butstuff after that was a little messier . Anyway so it 's twenty minutes and I actuallyGrad E: Hmm .PhD C: umGrad E: I {disfmarker} was that {disfmarker} did that{disfmarker} did that recording have the glitch in the middle ?Postdoc G: I 'm puzzled by that . I {disfmarker} oh {disfmarker} oh , I see .PhD C: There 's{disfmarker} there 's a {disfmarker}Postdoc G: Oh there was a glitch somewhere .PhD C: yeah , so that actually umGrad F: Was it twenty minutes in ,PhD C: if itwas twenty minutes in then I don't knowPostdoc G: I forgot about that .Grad F: I thought {disfmarker}PhD A: Well it was interesting ,Postdoc G: Well , I mean ,they {disfmarker}PhD A: suddenly {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the overall error rate when we first ran it was like eighty percentGrad E: I don't rememberwhen it is .Postdoc G: but I was able to can transcribePhD A: but i looking at {disfmarker} the first sentences looked much better than that and then suddenly itturned very bad and then we noticed that the reference was always one off with the {disfmarker} it was actually recognizedPhD C: WelGrad E: Oh no .Grad F:Yeah , that might be {disfmarker} that might be {disfmarker} that might be my fault .Postdoc G: Wow .PhD A: soGrad E: Oh so that was just a parsing mismatch.Grad F: I 'm not {disfmarker}PhD A: OK .PhD C: No actually it was {disfmarker} yeah i it was a complicated bug because they were sometimes one off and thensometimes totally random so umGrad F: yeah , I was pretty certain that it worked up until that time ,Postdoc G: Oh . That 's not good .PhD C: YeahPhD A: OK.PhD C: so that 's what we haveGrad E: Alright .Grad F: soPhD C: but that {disfmarker} that will be completely gone if this synch time problemPostdoc G: Yeah.Grad E: The {disfmarker} the glitchPhD A: So {disfmarker} so we have everything recognized but we scored only the first uh whatever , up to that timetoPostdoc G: And the only glitch {disfmarker}Grad E: yeah .Postdoc G: yeah .PhD C: So you guys know .Professor B: S sorry I haven't seen the email ,PhD C:Yeah .Grad E: Th - thePostdoc G: The {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} well {disfmarker} waitProfessor B: what was the score ?PhD C: So here 's the actual copy ofthe emailPostdoc G: we should say something about the glitch . He {disfmarker} he can say something about the glitch .PhD C: um oh OKGrad E: yeah .PostdocG: Cuz it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} h it 's {disfmarker} it 's very small {disfmarker}PhD C: so does this glitch occur at other{disfmarker}Grad E: There {disfmarker} there {disfmarker} there 's an acoustic glitch that occurs where um the channels get slightly asynchronizedPostdoc G:very small . Yep .PhD C: Oh .PhD A: Mmm .PhD C: Right .Grad E: so the {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that problem has gone away in the original driver believeit or not when the SSH key gen ran the driver paused for a fraction of a secondProfessor B: Hmm .Grad F: Hmm .Grad E: and so the channels get a littleasynchronous and so if you listen to it in the middle there 's a little part where it starts doing {disfmarker} doing click sounds .Professor B: So {disfmarker}PhDC: And is it only once that that happens ?Grad E: But yeahPhD C: OK .Grad E: it {disfmarker} right once in the middle .PhD C: There 's {disfmarker} the previouspage has some more information about sort of what was wrongProfessor B: so {disfmarker} so un unsurprisingly Adam is the golden voice ,PhD C: butGrad E:Um But that shouldn't affect anythingPhD C: OK so that 's actuallyPostdoc G: S and it {disfmarker}Professor B: you see this here ?PhD C: It {disfmarker} y it 's{disfmarker}Grad E: yeah yeah \" bah \"PhD C: OK no {disfmarker}PhD A: Oh , and {disfmarker}PhD C: What happens is it actually affects the script that Don{disfmarker}PhD D: Huh .PhD C: I mean if we know about it then I guess it could always be checked for itGrad E: Well the acoustic one shouldn't do anything.PhD C: but theyGrad F: Yeah , I don't know exactly what affected itPostdoc G: I agree . I agree .PhD A: I {disfmarker} I have {disfmarker}Grad F: but I 'll{disfmarker} I 'll talk to you about it ,PhD A: Yeah .Grad E: But I {disfmarker} I do remember {disfmarker}PhD C: Yeah .Grad F: I 'll show you the point .Postdoc"}
{"doc_id":"doc_170","qid":"","text":"Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Children, Young People and Education Committee. We've received apologies for absence fromJanet Finch-Saunders. I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome Suzy Davies to the committee, and to thank Mark Reckless and Darren Millar, who have left us,for their service and hard work as members of the committee. Can I ask whether there are any declarations of interest, please? No. Okay. We will move on thento our evidence session on our inquiry into the impact of Brexit on higher and further education. I'm very pleased to welcome Kirsty Williams, Cabinet Secretaryfor Education, and Eluned Morgan AM, Minister for Welsh Language and Lifelong Learning. Can I just ask you to introduce your officials for the record,please?Kirsty Williams AM: Bore da, Lynne, and thank you for the invitation to join you. Eluned and I are joined this morning by Huw Morris, who's the groupdirector at SHELL—skills, higher education and lifelong learning—and Marie Knox, who is deputy director, overseeing European transition.Lynne Neagle AM: Okay,thank you very much, and thank you for coming. We'll go straight into questions, then, and the first questions are from Suzy Davies.Suzy Davies AM: Thank you.I'd like to ask you both, if that's okay, a little bit about preparedness. But if I could start with higher education, I understand that—I don't know, it must be about18 months ago now—Ken Skates told another committee in this place that there had been nine sector analyses done. Presumably, one of those was HE, becauseof the—well, Welsh Government had a presence, and still does, in Brussels, related to higher education. Apparently, those have now been superseded by workthat's been done by Cardiff University. I don't know if you've got any comments on that research, or whether it's been brought to your attention yet.KirstyWilliams AM: Well, Suzy, following the vote, I was very keen that we work very closely with colleagues in higher education and further education, to get anunderstanding from on the ground about the potential impact. So, in terms of preparedness, we started that group in the September, and that work from thatgroup, which includes both HE and FE, has been instrumental in helping the Government form its views, which were articulated in the Government's White Paper,'Securing Wales' Future'. There has been ongoing work being done—as the debate in London and Europe becomes a little bit more clear, then it becomes a littleless clear, and then a little bit more clear, but, bearing in mind the difficulties of working in an ever-changing field, we have been refining those approaches. Eachinstitution has been looking at their own institution, because, as you can imagine, although we have an overview of the sector, the challenges are very differentfor individual institutions—so their exposure, for instance, to the number of European Union students that they have at their college, or the work that they mightbe doing with Horizon 2020, or their success—and there has been considerable success in the HE field in securing structural funds for various projects—theexposure and the potential impact of leaving the EU, in a 'no deal' or in a 'deal' scenario, is very, very different. But I don't know if, Huw, you want to talk anyfurther.Suzy Davies AM: Maybe just to use the 'no deal' scenario is probably the easiest, isn't it?Kirsty Williams AM: The 'no deal'?Suzy Davies AM: Well, yes,because that's the worst-case scenario, so let's look at that one.Huw Morris: As the Cabinet Secretary mentioned, the higher education Brexit workinggroup's been meeting since September 2016 and has been looking at that in general. More recently, when the prospect of no deal became talked about, officialshave been visiting individual institutions to talk to them about their preparedness for that. As you'll be aware, the funding for much of the activity is secured, webelieve, even under a 'no deal' scenario, until December 2020; that's a letter we had from the Chief Secretary to the Treasury. I think the research you'rereferring to may be research that Cardiff University has been doing with the Bevan Foundation and others. I know there's a report due to be launched later today.We have been doing our own research and looking at the impact on HE, FE and apprenticeship providers.Suzy Davies AM: Well, that's really helpful because myunderstanding was that this Cardiff University research had superseded all those nine sector analyses.Huw Morris: That may be true for the economy brief.Certainly, there are published papers by Max Munday and a team at Cardiff University on the impact of Brexit on the Welsh economy, but for HE and FE andapprenticeship provision, it's as the Cabinet Secretary outlined.Suzy Davies AM: So, are there any formal risk assessments that are available for us to scrutinise,for example? For HE and FE for that matter.Kirsty Williams AM: Well, the Higher Education Funding Council for Wales have been doing some specific work; I can'tcomment on how wide they would want that to be shared. We have been doing some broad analysis, as I said, for the sector, looking at what we can do tomitigate the risk, bearing in mind that each institution is an autonomous institution, a principle that they guard really jealously, and rightly so. So, we have been,as Huw said, because the prospect of a 'no deal' has become, perhaps, more to the forefront, officers have been visiting each institution to try and make sure andto satisfy us, as people who fund part of their activity, that they have their own plans in place to deal with these scenarios. We continue to work alongside them topush the issues that we can help them with. So, for instance, we continue to work with officials in Westminster around Erasmus+ provision in a 'no deal' scenario,what a UK stand-alone project would look like, the impacts of a 'no deal' on Horizon 2020. So, we look at the broader picture and we are encouraging continuallyindividual institutions to make sure that they themselves are looking at their specific needs within that.Suzy Davies AM: Well, if there is something that'sshareable, I'm sure we'd be very pleased to see it—Kirsty Williams AM: Anything that we've got—Suzy Davies AM: —particularly with FE, actually, because, ofcourse, we haven't got a HEFCW for FE; you're doing that regulation yourself. I'd expect to see that type of work evidenced somewhere from within WelshGovernment, and we would be able to see that then.Eluned Morgan AM: So, if I could just make some points on FE. We've been actively engaging with the FEsector. We've spoken to every one of the colleges about how they see things developing. I think it's quite a different response than what is going to be happeningin HE.Suzy Davies AM: Yes, because the student thing isn't such an issue, is it?Eluned Morgan AM: You've got to remember that the FE colleges are much moreanchored within their communities, they're much more localised, and so, for example, the number of EU students in these colleges is significantly lower. Thenumber of staff in these colleges—I think they've analysed that there are only about 71 people. So, we're keeping in touch with them and we're letting them knowwhat we are being told in terms of the Home Office settled status and what we can do to protect those 71. But that's a much bigger issue, I think, for highereducation.Suzy Davies AM: What are they telling you about European social fund funding, though, because, as you say, they're locally anchored—the impact onFE of ESF funding is probably more significant than the issues we're talking about with higher education. How are you finding this out? Is this through one-to-oneconversations?Eluned Morgan AM: We are engaging with them all, and, obviously, we're engaging with ColegauCymru, who've done their own analysis, and whatwe found, in particular, is that the real problems are probably in relation to ESF funding and apprenticeships. But what you've got to remember is that that linkbetween apprenticeships and the local work community is absolutely crucial. So, if—Suzy Davies AM: Yes, that's why I asked.Eluned Morgan AM: —the economynosedives, or if there's an issue that we see—just the dislocation of companies in those areas as a result of Brexit—then that will inevitably have an impact on thenumber of apprenticeships that will be on offer. So, it's those kinds of things, but at the moment I think it's worth pointing out that about £15 million a year goesinto the FE sector just in relation to apprenticeships.Suzy Davies AM: Can I just come back finally on that, before handing over? In both your areas ofresponsibility, there's going to be an impact on Welsh Government in how it responds to that, as well. Can you tell me a little bit about the European transitionteam, which I think is about building resilience within the Welsh Government to deal with the impacts of Brexit? Is that a formal arrangement you have withofficials? I don't really know much about this team, but it seems to meet fortnightly to get Welsh Government ready for Brexit, so could you just give us someclues on this?Marie Knox: Yes, in terms of the European transition team, that's the central co-ordinating group that pulls together all the leads in each departmentwho are pulling together the work on European transition. So, I attend that group in relation to higher education and further education, and, obviously, otherrepresentatives in terms of agriculture, transport, the economy, et cetera.Suzy Davies AM: It's great that you're on that group, but what does it actually do?That's the bit I wasn't sure about.Marie Knox: I guess it provides the governance structure for the Welsh Government as a whole in relation to Europeantransition. So, individual departments do their own work, and the European transition team provides the governance structure, and, also, they lead on thediscussions with the Department for Exiting the European Union, No. 10, the Joint Ministerial Committee—those kinds of ministerial arrangements.Suzy DaviesAM: Thank you. I've had enough time, I think.Lynne Neagle AM: Llyr.Llyr Gruffydd AM: I'll ask my questions in Welsh, if I may. This discussion between HEFCWand higher education, these challenges in terms of how ready they are for the changes to come, and the work that the Government is doing with FE, I suspect, ishappening at an organisational level. So, I just want to hear a little about where the student voice comes into that discussion and where the engagement happensin terms of the students.Kirsty Williams AM: So, we have a close working relationship with the National Union of Students. I meet with them regularly, andofficials are in constant touch with the student voice. They have been very clear, and I think there is a huge amount of consensus between the WelshGovernment, what the universities are asking for and what the students are asking for. You'll have seen, only earlier this week, the very powerful campaign byNUS Wales about the importance of Erasmus+ arrangements. There is a huge amount to be gained for Welsh students and young people participating in theErasmus programme. Many of us, I know, have had the opportunity to study abroad as part of our own studies, and there's a lot to be gained from it. We've beenvery clear from the outset, as have the sector and the student voice, about the importance of participation in that scheme.  NUS are also very concerned that"}
{"doc_id":"doc_171","qid":"","text":"Grad B: Grad D: How many batteries do you go through ?Grad B: Thank you .Professor C: Alright .PhD A: Sure .Professor C: Good . Yeah . OK so , let 's getstarted . Nancy said she 's coming and that means she will be . Um . My suggestion is that Robert and Johno sort of give us a report on last week 's adventures uhto start . So everybody knows there were these guys f uh from Heidelber - uh , uh , actually from uh DFKI uh , part of the German SmartKom project , who werehere for the week and , I think got a lot done .Grad E: Yeah , I think so too . Um . The {disfmarker} we got to the point where we can now speak into theSmartKom system , and it 'll go all the way through and then say something like \" Roman numeral one , am Smarticus . \" It actually says , \" Roemisch einz , amSmarticus , \"Grad B: OK .Grad E: which means it 's just using a German sythesis module for English sentences .Grad B: OK .Grad E: So uh ,Professor C: Itdoesn't know \" I \" .Grad B: OK .Grad E: Um , the uhGrad B: Oh , Am Spartacus . \"Grad D: \" I am Sm - I am Smarticus \" is what it 's saying .PhD A: Right .Grad B:Verstehe . OK .Grad D: I gueGrad E: The uh sythesis is just a question of um , hopefully it 's just a question of exchanging a couple of files , once we have them .And , um , it 's not going to be a problem because we decided to stick to the so - called concept to speech approach . So I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'mgoing backwards now , so \" synthesis \" is where you sort of make this {disfmarker} uh , make these sounds , and \" concept to speech \" is feeding into thissynthesis module giving it what needs to be said , and the whole syntactic structure so it can pronounce things better , presumably . Then , just with text tospeech .Grad B: Mm - hmm .Grad E: And , uh , Johno learned how to write XML tags . Uh , and did write the tree adjoining grammar for some {disfmarker} somesentences . No , right ?Grad D: Yeah .Grad E: Yeah , for a couple {disfmarker}Grad D: So . Bu - Uh , i The way the uh , the dialogue manager works is it dumpsout what it wants to know , or what it wants to tell the person , to a {disfmarker} er in XML and there 's a conversion system for different uh , to go from XML tosomething else . And th so , the knowledge base for the system , that generates the syntasti syntactic structures for the ge generation is uh , in a LISP - like{disfmarker} the knowledge base is in a LISP - like form . And then the thing that actually builds these syntactic structures is something based on Prolog . So ,you have a {disfmarker} basically , a goal and it , you know , says \" OK , well I 'm gonna try to do the Greet - the - person goal ,Grad B: Mm - hmm .Grad D: soit just starts {disfmarker} uh , it binds some variables and it just decides to , you know , do some subscold . Basically , it just means \" build the tree . \"Grad B:OK .Grad D: And then it passes the tree onto , uh , the ge the generation module .Grad E: But I think that the point is that out of the twelve possible utterancesthat the German system can do , we 've already written the {disfmarker} the syntax trees for three or four .Grad D: We yeah . So , the syntax trees are verysimple . It 's like most of the sentences in one tree ,Grad B: Mm - hmm .Grad D: and instead of , you know , breaking down to , like , small units and buildingback up , they basically took the sentences , and basically cut them in half , or you know , into thirds or something like that , and made trees out of those . And souh , uh Tilman wrote a little tool that you could take LISP notation and generate an XML , uh , tree . Uh , S what do ca structure from the {disfmarker} from theLISP . And so basically you just say , you know , \" noun goes to \" , you know , Er , nah , I don't re I 've never been good at those . So there 's like the VP goes toN and those things in LISP , and it will generate for you .Grad B: OK . N , N , V yeah , OK . Alright .Grad E: And because we 're sticking to that structure , thesynthesis module doesn't need to be changed . So all that f fancy stuff , and the Texas speech version of it , which is actually the simpler version , is gonna bedone in October which is much too late for us . So . This way we {disfmarker} we worked around that . The , uh {disfmarker} the system , um {disfmarker} I canshow you the system . I actually want , at least , maybe , you should be able to start it on your own . If you wanna play around with it , in th in the future . Rightnow it 's brittle and you need to ch start it up and then make ts twenty changes on {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on {disfmarker} on seventeen modules beforethey actually can stomach it , anything . And send in a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a couple of side queries on some dummy center set - up program so that itactually works because it 's designed for this seevit thing , where you have the gestural recognition running with this s Siemens virtual touch screen , which wedon't have here .Grad B: Mm - hmm .Grad E: And so we 're doing it via mouse , but the whole system was designed to work with this thing and it was{disfmarker} It was a lot of engineering stuff . No science in there whatsoever , but it 's working now , and um , that 's the good news . So everything elseactually did prove to be language independent except for the parsing and the generation .Grad D: Why {disfmarker} I had {disfmarker} I did need to changenerate different trees than the German ones , mainly because you know like uh , the gerund in {disfmarker} in German is automatically taken care of with justa regular verb ,Grad E: You have to switch it on .Grad B: Mm - hmm .Grad D: so I 'd uh have to add \" am walking , \"Grad B: OK .Grad D: or I 'd have to add alittle stem for the \" am \" , when I build the {disfmarker} built the tree .Grad B: OK . Yeah , I noticed that um , that some of the examples they had , had youknow , non - English word orders and so on , you know . And then all that good stuff . So .Professor C: Alright .Grad D: Yeah .Grad B: Like .Professor C: So itmight be worth , Keith , you looking at this ,Grad B: Yeah .Professor C: umGrad B: I {disfmarker} I still don't {disfmarker} I still don't really understand e like{disfmarker}Grad D: Well Tilman sGrad B: I mean we sort of say , um {disfmarker} You know , I {disfmarker} I still don't exactly understand sort of theinformation flow uh in {disfmarker} in this thing , or what the modules are and so on . So , you know , like just that such - and - such module uh um decides thatit wants to achieve the goal of greeting the user , and then magically it sort of sProfessor C: Yeah {disfmarker}Grad B: I mean , how does it know which syntacticstructure to pull out , and all that ?Professor C: I thi Yeah . So . I think it 's not worth going over in the group ,Grad B: R uh Sure .Professor C: but sort of whenyou get free and you have the time uh either Robert or Johno or I can walk you through it .Grad B: Yeah , soon . OK .Professor C: And you can ask all thequestions about how this all fits together .Grad B: That 's fine .Professor C: It 's eee {comment} messy but once you understand it you understand it . It 's{disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} There 's nothing really complicated about it .Grad B: OK .Grad E: No .Grad B: And I remember one thing that {disfmarker} thatcame up in the talk last Wednesday . Um , was this , I {disfmarker} I think he talked about the idea of like , um {disfmarker} He was talking about theselexicalized uh , uh , tree adjoining grammars where you sort of {disfmarker} for each word you , um {disfmarker}Grad D: OK , you know how to do it ?Grad B:For each lexical item , the lexical entry says what all the uh trees are that it can appear in . And of course , that 's not v That 's the opposite of constructional .That 's , you know , that 's {disfmarker} that 's HPSG or whatever .Professor C: Right .Grad B: You know ?Professor C: Right . Now , we 're {disfmarker} we 'renot committed for our research to {pause} do any of those things .Grad B: Yeah . Mm - hmm .Professor C: So uh we are committed for our funding .Grad B:Right .Professor C: OK ? to {pause} uh {disfmarker}Grad B: Make our stuff fit to that .Professor C: Yeah , to {disfmarker} n no , to just get the dem get thedemos they need .Grad B: Uh - huh .Professor C: OK ? So between us all we have t to get th the demos they need . If it turns out we can also give them lotsmore than that by , you know , tapping into other things we do , that 's great .Grad D: You should probably move the microphone closer to your face .Grad B: Mm- hmm .Professor C: But i it turns out not to be in an any of the contractsGrad D: There 's like a little {disfmarker} The twisty thing , you can move it with .GradB: OK .Professor C: and , s deliberately . So , the reason I 'd like you to understand uh what 's going on in this demo system is not because it 's important to theresearch . It 's just for closure . So that if we come up with a question of \" could we fit this deeper stuff in there ? \" or something . You know what the hell we we're talking about fitting in .Grad B: Right . OK .Professor C: So it 's just , uh in the sam same actually with the rest of us we just need to really understand what 'sthere . Is there anything we can make use of ? Uh , is there anything we can give back , beyond th the sort of minimum requirements ? But none of that has ashort time fuse .Grad B: OK .Professor C: So th the demo the demo requirements for this Fall are sort of taken care of as of later this week or something . Andthen {disfmarker} So , it 's probably fifteen months or something until there 's another serious demo requirement .Grad B: Oh OK .Professor C: That doesn'tmean we don't think about it for fifteen months ,Grad B: Right .Professor C: but it means we can not think about it for six months .Grad B: Right , yeah .ProfessorC: So . The plan for this summer uh , really is to step back from the applied project ,Grad E: Right .Professor C: keep the d keep the context open , but actuallygo after the basic issues .Grad B: Hmm . Oh OK .Professor C: And , so The idea is there 's this uh , other subgroup that 's worrying about formalizing the notagetting a notation . But sort of in parallel with that , uh , the hope is tha in particularly you will work on constructions in English Ge - and German for this domain,Grad B: Mm - hmm .Professor C: but y not worry about parsing them or fitting them into SmartKom or any of the other {disfmarker} anything lik any otherconstraints for the time being .Grad B: Yeah . OK . Got it .Professor C: It 's hard enough to get it semantically and syntactically right and then {disfmarker} andget the constructions in their form and stuff .Grad B: Yeah .Professor C: And , I don I don't want you f feeling that you have to somehow meet all these otherconstraints .Grad B: Right , OK .Professor C: Um . And similarly with the parsing , uh we 're gonna worry about parsing uh , the general case you know ,construction parser for general constructions . And , if we need a cut - down version for something , or whatever , we 'll worry about that later .Grad B: OK.Professor C: So I 'd like to , for the summer turn into science mode .Grad B: OK .Professor C: And I assume that 's also , uh , your plan as well .Grad B: So Imean , the {disfmarker} the point is that like the meetings um so far that I 've been at have been {disfmarker} sort of been geared towards this demo ,ProfessorC: Right . Yeah . Yeah .Grad B: and then that 's going to go away pretty soon .Professor C: But {disfmarker} but we we 're switGrad B: OK .Professor C: Right"}
{"doc_id":"doc_172","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: Okayeveryone's ready .User Interface: Hello .Project Manager: So we are here for uh for uh functional design .User Interface: {gap}Project Manager: Okay ? So weare here for the functional design meeting mm {vocalsound} so first I will show the agenda so we will uh I will take notes during this meeting so I will try tosummarise it and put that summary in the shared folder if you want to look at it afterwardsUser Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: so then uh each of youwill uh lead a presentation on the task that has been required last time so user requirement specification , technical function design and working design . Then Iwill uh present you some new project requirements I received from uh the management board . Then we will take uh the decision on on the remote control uhneeded functions and then I will assign you the task for the next part of the meeting . Of the {disfmarker} of the process . So uh who want to start the thepresentation of what they did ?Industrial Designer: F do you want to start ?User Interface: Make a start yeah .Project Manager: You can start .User Interface: So. {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Cable , camera .Project Manager: You have uh PowerPoint ?User Interface: Should be in my{disfmarker} in their folder no ?Project Manager: Ah yeah maybe there . Okay .User Interface: Up .Project Manager: Who are you ? {vocalsound}User Interface:Um at three I think .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: No ? {vocalsound} Mm .Project Manager: Ouch . And {disfmarker}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: We have a technical problem uh .User Interface: Do we think w s in the {disfmarker} inthe wrong folder maybe ? {vocalsound} It is possible .Project Manager: You put it on {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: No .User Interface: It was somewhere insomething like this . I don't remember the name actually must be something like messenger AMI or something .Industrial Designer: What do you have in shortcut ?User Interface: Go up .Industrial Designer: Participant two .User Interface: Yeah go up .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Again . No . Go back .ProjectManager: You have no {disfmarker}User Interface: Uh maybe messenger AMI . Messenger .Project Manager: Over . Okay .User Interface: No . There is nothing.Project Manager: There's no {disfmarker} We have a technical problem .User Interface: Let's go and check .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: I'll go andcheck .Industrial Designer: Otherwise , could you just describe by hand ?User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: With the the whiteboard ?Project Manager: Ifyou remember yeahUser Interface: Yeah . Yeah .Project Manager: but that's {disfmarker}User Interface: So uh . Basically {vocalsound} what we want here is aremote control right .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound} So um the question well first of all what to control . So {vocalsound} most peoplewant to have a a remote for their hi-fi and T_V_ and stuff like that .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: And {disfmarker} but other people want thalso remotes for {vocalsound} controlling uh and toys like robotic pets and little robots and stuffIndustrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: and other peoplealso want to have remotes for controlling um whole house .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Yeah , so there's a project Ithink called X_ house or something like that that does that , uh you can integrate your remote with uh computers stuff . So {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:Mm-hmm .User Interface: there is one {disfmarker} that is one thing . The other is the the finder feature yeah by whistling or whatever . Uh if you have thefinder feature then you can also haveIndustrial Designer: Okay .User Interface: uh at the same time as {disfmarker} and general voice commands if you wantyeah . {vocalsound} So I think it should be a package in that case .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Uh so the user interface will consist of twoparts . {vocalsound} One is the voice command part and on one is the actual buttons part . {vocalsound} Uh and th the buttons part would be uh a set of buttonsfor choosing devices , a set of buttons for special navigation in space ,Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .User Interface: a set of buttons for{vocalsound} linear access of medium and a set of buttons for random access .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Yeah ?Industrial Designer: What do youmean by linear access then ?User Interface: Like a video tape goes forward , backwards , uh fast and stuff yeah .Industrial Designer: Ah .Project Manager: Okayso special navigation , linear access , random accessUser Interface: Um .Project Manager: and there's a fourth one no ?User Interface: Mm ?Project Manager: Sothe better now for special navigation ?User Interface: Yeah . For special navigation for example you might have a T_V_ in the menu and you going to change yeah?Project Manager: Okay . Then linear accessUser Interface: Uh .Project Manager: then random access .User Interface: Mm . Yeah and also parameter changing.Project Manager: Ah yeah parameter okay .User Interface: {vocalsound} So if there are common parameters maybe we should put special buttons for thatumProject Manager: Okay .User Interface: or maybe we could have everything uh generic but uh there are a lot of uh remotes on the market right now and{vocalsound} basically this is most of the {disfmarker} almost everybody has this stuff .Project Manager: Okay . Okay and and voice command did you uh{disfmarker}User Interface: Voice command w we could specify anything . We could assign any button {disfmarker} a command to any button , if we haveenough processing power ,Project Manager: Okay . Okay .User Interface: I guess so . {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Yeah .ProjectManager: So that's uh that close your investigations ?User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Uh yeah I think so .Project Manager: Okay.User Interface: Not so far .Project Manager: Maybe we can have a look at the user requirements with {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah . {vocalsound} Um I dunno ifyou can open the {disfmarker}Project Manager: I dunno if I can open it . Maybe you can sMarketing: uh m is not here .Project Manager: It's{disfmarker}Marketing: Uh in {disfmarker} yeah okay .Project Manager: Messenger no ?Marketing: No . In document {gap} . Mm computer yeah .ProjectManager: In which folder ?User Interface: Where did you put it ?Marketing: Here . Here .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Short-cut to AMI shared folder ?UserInterface: {gap} mm .Marketing: But it's not {disfmarker} Um .Project Manager: Maybe you can send it to me by email . Just to participant one . At AMI.Marketing: Mm-hmm . Yeah , I can do that .Project Manager: I will try to show it to everyone , that would be more comfortable .Marketing: Okay . Um .ProjectManager: You send it ?Marketing: {vocalsound} It's participant one ?Project Manager: Yeah . Uh this is this email .User Interface: I'm designing the userinterface . {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay . You can uh .Project Manager: Okay . So maybe I can switch slides when you {disfmarker} whenever you ask,Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: that will be more convenient . So okay , functional requirements .Marketing: Okay so you can {disfmarker} you can go . Okayso {vocalsound} in our usability lab we observed the remote control use among one hundred subjectsProject Manager: Mm .Marketing: and the subjects alsofilled a questionnaireProject Manager: Yeah .Marketing: okay ? And here I have the results so you can see that um seventy five per cent of users find mostremote controls ugly so we have to find something to make them more {vocalsound} more nice , more kind . Eighty per cents of users would spend more moneywhen the remote control would look fancy . {vocalsound} Eighty hundred per cent of users would spend more money when the remote control would look{disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: oh {disfmarker} to {disfmarker} it's not good . {vocalsound} So okay.Project Manager: We can just keep doing that ?Marketing: So it's not in theory {disfmarker} but I I can I can say yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah.Marketing: Fifty f uh seventy five per cent of users say they s zap a lot . So mm {vocalsound} we have to have a remote control uh very um {vocalsound} outfor that . {vocalsound} Uh the buttons have {disfmarker} are to be um uh uh like you say resist resisting to to shocks .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing:{vocalsound} Um and fifty per cents of users say they only use uh {vocalsound} ten per cents of but of the buttons in the {disfmarker} in the remote control.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: So all the buttons we we have to put are {disfmarker} have to to have um a use a realuseProject Manager: Okay .Marketing: and not only or {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay , so fewer buttons maybe would be good ?Marketing: Yeah . F notmany buttons , and uh and uh uh u useable buttons {vocalsound} .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: But what kind of remote controls did you look at?Marketing: Sorry ?User Interface: What kind of task was it ? It was a T_V_ ?Marketing: Yeah . Uh {vocalsound} most for most is T_V_ .Project Manager: Yeah .Yeah but in fact we {disfmarker} it it seems that we are going to make a T_V_ remote control according to new requirements I received from themanagementUser Interface: Huh .Project Manager: bo I will present them in the following .User Interface: Uh-huh . Ah ! Good .Marketing: {vocalsound} 'Kay youcan go so .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: So there are other frustrations expressed by users , so they said uh they lost uh often the remote control in in theroom so they want to have a way to {vocalsound} toProject Manager: Yeah . To find it .Marketing: to find it .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Um and um lot ofthe time they {disfmarker} it takes too much time to learn how to use a new remote control .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: So they want something s reallyvery simple and uh easy to use .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: And uh remote controls are bad forProject Manager: What isher other side ?Marketing: R_S_I_ {vocalsound} um {disfmarker}User Interface: Other side yeah , yo wa your wristMarketing: I dunno .Project Manager:{vocalsound}User Interface: It i can become painful you can have tendonditis .Project Manager: Oh yeah ?User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: I did not knewthat .User Interface: If you also {gap} up on a computer in a strange position .Project Manager: Okay so you {disfmarker} we have to make it uh moreergonomic yeah .User Interface: Ergonomic . But uh {vocalsound} .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Have to say ha ha . {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} It's your job {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Uh .Project Manager: Uh sorry"}
{"doc_id":"doc_173","qid":"","text":"Grad A: Yeah , I think I got my mike on . OK . Let 's see .Professor B: OK . Ami , do yours then we 'll open it and I think it 'll be enough .Grad A: Mmm{disfmarker} Doesn't , uh {disfmarker} It should be the other way . Yeah , now it 's on .PhD F: Right . OK .Professor B: OK . So , we all switched on ?Grad A: Weare all switched on , yeah .Professor B: Alright . Anyway . So , uh , before we get started with the , uh , technical part , I just want to review what I think ishappening with the {disfmarker} our data collection .PhD F: We are all switched on .Professor B: So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Uh , probably after today ,{vocalsound} that shouldn't come up in this meeting . Th - this {disfmarker} this is s should be im it isn't {disfmarker} There 's another thing going on ofgathering data , and that 's pretty much independent of this . But , uh , I just want to make sure we 're all together on this . What we think is gonna happen isthat , uh , in parallel starting about now {vocalsound} we 're gonna get Fey {vocalsound} to , where you 're working with me and Robert , draft a note that we 'regonna send out to various CogSci c and other classes saying , \" here 's an opportunity to be a subject . Contact Fey . \" And then there 'll be a certain number ofum , hours during the week which she will be available and we 'll bring in people . Uh , roughly how many , Robert ? We d Do we know ?Grad C: Um , fifty wasour {disfmarker} sort of our first {disfmarker}Professor B: OK . So , we 're looking for a total of fifty people , not necessarily by any means all students but we 'lls we 'll start with {disfmarker} with that . In parallel with that , we 're gonna need to actually do the script . And , so , I guess there 's a plan to have a meetingFriday afternoon Uh , with {disfmarker} uh , Jane , and maybe Liz and whoever , on actually getting the script worked out . But what I 'd like to do , if it 's O K ,{vocalsound} is to s to , as I say , start the recruiting in parallel and possibly start running subjects next week . The week after that 's Spring Break , and maybewe 'll look for them {disfmarker} some subjects next doorGrad C: Yeah .Professor B: or {pause} iGrad C: Yeah . Also , Fey will not be here during spring break.Professor B: Oh , OK , then we won't do it .Grad C: So .Professor B: OK . So that 's easy . Um . So , is {disfmarker} Is that make sense to everybody ?Grad C:Yeah . Also , um , F {vocalsound} both Fey and I will , um , {vocalsound} do something of which I may , eh {disfmarker} kindly ask you to {disfmarker} to dothe same thing , which is we gonna check out our social infrastructures for possible subjects . Meaning , {vocalsound} um , kid children 's gymnastic classes , pre- school parents and so forth . They also sometimes have flexible schedules . So , if you happen to be sort of in a non - student social setting , and you knowpeople who may be interested in being subjects {disfmarker} We also considered using the Berkeley High School and their teachers , maybe , and get theminterested in stuff .Professor B: That 's a good idea .Grad C: And , um . So that 's as far as our brainstorming was concerned .Professor B: Oh , yeah . The highschool 's a great idea .Grad C: So . But I {disfmarker} I will just make a first draft of the , uh , note , the \" write - up \" note , send it to you and Fey and then{disfmarker}Professor B: And why don't you also copy Jane on it ?Grad C: And , um , Are we {disfmarker} Have we concurred that , uh , these {disfmarker}these forms are sufficient for us , and necessary ?Professor B: Uh , th I think they 're necessary . This {disfmarker} The permission form .Grad C: Mmm.Professor B: Uh , there has to be one ,Grad C: Nuh . N .Professor B: and I think we 're just gonna use it as it is , and {pause} UmGrad C: N . You happy with that?Professor B: Well , yeah . There 's one tricky part about , um , they have the right um I The last paragraph {comment} \" if you agree to participate you have theopportunity to have anything excised which you would prefer not to have included in the data set . \" OK ? Now that , we had to be included for this other onewhich might have , uh , meetings , you know , about something .Grad C: Mm - hmm .Professor B: In this case , it doesn't really make sense . Um , so what I 'dlike to do is also have our subjects sign a waiver saying \" I don't want to see the final transcript \" .Grad C: Mm - hmm .Professor B: And if they don't {disfmarker}If they say \" no , I 'm not willing to sign that \" , then we 'll show them the final transcript . But , um .Grad C: Yep . Makes sense .Professor B: That , uh{disfmarker} yeah , so we might actually , um S i Jane may say that , \" you know , you can't do this \" , uh , \" on the same form , we need a separate form . \" Butanyway . I 'd {disfmarker} I 'd {disfmarker} I 'd like to , e e um , add an a little thi eh {disfmarker} a thing for them to initial , saying \" nah , do I don't want tosee the final transcript . \"Grad C: Mm - hmm .Professor B: But other than that , that 's one 's been approved , this really is the same project , uh , rec you know .And so forth . So I think we just go with it .Grad C: Yeah . Yeah . OK . So much for the data , except that with Munich everything is fine now . They 're gonna{vocalsound} transcribe . They 're also gonna translate the , uh , German data from the TV and cinema stuff for Andreas . So . They 're {disfmarker} they allseem to be happy now , {vocalsound} with that . So . w c sh should we move on to the technical sides ?Professor B: Yep .Grad C: Well I guess the good{disfmarker} good news of last week was the parser . So , um Bhaskara and I started working on the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} the parser . Then Bhaskarawent to class and once he came back , um , {vocalsound} it was finished . So . It , uh {disfmarker} I didn't measure it , but it was about an hour and ten minutes.Grad D: Yep .Grad C: And , um {disfmarker} and now it 's {disfmarker} We have a complete English parser that does everything the German parser does .GradD: Something like that .Professor B: Which is {vocalsound} not a lot . But {disfmarker}Grad D: That 's the , uh , point .Grad C: The {disfmarker} uh , that 's nota lot .Professor B: OK .Grad D: Yes .Professor B: Right .Grad C: And um .Grad E: What did you end up having to do ? I mean , wha Was there anything {pause}interesting about it at all ?Grad C: Well , if you , eh {disfmarker}Grad D: We 'll show you .Professor B: Yeah , we can show us ,Grad E: or are we gonna see that?Professor B: right ?Grad C: Well , w w We d The first we did is we {disfmarker} we tried to {disfmarker} to do {disfmarker} change the {disfmarker} the \"laufen \" into \" run \" , {vocalsound} or \" running \" , {vocalsound} or \" runs \" .Professor B: Yep .Grad C: And we noticed that whatever we tried to do , it no effect.Grad E: Mm - hmm .Grad C: And we were puzzled .Grad E: OK .Grad C: And , uh , the reason was that the parser i c completely ignores the verb .Grad E: Mm -hmm .Grad C: So this sentence {disfmarker} sentence is {disfmarker} parses the p the same output ,Grad E: Hmm . Interesting parser property .Grad C: um ,even if you leave out , um , all {disfmarker} all of this .Grad E: I see . Yeah .Grad C: So it 's basically feature film and TV .Grad E: TodayGrad C: That 's what youneed .Grad E: OK .Grad C: If {disfmarker} if you 'd add {disfmarker} add Today and Evening , it 'll add Time or not .Grad E: And the {disfmarker} t and the time, right ?Grad C: So it {disfmarker} i it does look at that .Grad E: OK .Grad C: But all the rest is p simply frosting on the cake , and it 's optional for that parser.Grad E: True .Professor B: So , you can sho You {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} Are {disfmarker} are you gonna show us the little templates ?Grad C: And{disfmarker}Grad E: SGrad C: Yeah . We ar we can sh er {disfmarker} I can show you the templates . I {disfmarker} I also have it running here ,Grad E: Theformer end g \" Oh , I see . Uh - huh .Grad C: so if I {vocalsound} do this now , um , {vocalsound} you can see that it parsed the wonderful English sentence , \"Which films are on the cinema today {pause} evening ? \" But , um .Professor B: Well , that sounds {disfmarker}Grad C: Uh do don't worry about it .Professor B:No iGrad C: It could be \" this evening , which {disfmarker} which films are on the cinema \" , or \" running in the cinema , which {disfmarker} \" uh , \" todayevening \" , uh i \" Is anything happening in the cinema this evening ? \"Grad E: OK . OK . Key words , e basically .Professor B: WellGrad C: Ge - elaborate , or ,more or less , {vocalsound} uh {disfmarker}Professor B: Actually , it 's a little tricky , in that there 's some allowable German orders which aren't allowableEnglish orders and so forth . And it is order - based . So it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} Isn't it ?Grad C: No .Grad D: No .Professor B: Oh . So it {disfmarker} itdoe I it {disfmarker} These {disfmarker} u these optional elements ,Grad C: It is not {disfmarker}Professor B: it 's {disfmarker} it 's actually a set , not asequence ?Grad C: Yeah . We were {disfmarker} I was afraid that , um {disfmarker}Professor B: Oh !Grad E: So it really is key word matching , basically.Professor B: Really a seGrad C: Um .PhD F: e yeah . Mm - hmm .Professor B: Oh , wow .Grad C: Um , I mean , these sentences are just silly .Grad E: Hmm.Grad C: I mean , uh , d these were not the ones we {disfmarker} we actually did it . Um . What 's an idiomatic of phrasing this ? Which films are {pause}showing ?Grad D: Are pl playing at the cinema ?Grad C: playing ?Grad D: Yeah .Grad E: Tonight ?Grad D: I changed that file , actually , where it 's on my account.Grad E: This {disfmarker} this evening ?PhD F: Actually , you would say , \" which films are on tonight ? \"Grad D: You want to get it ? Or {disfmarker} is{disfmarker} di was it easy to get it ?Grad C: Um . I have no net here .Grad D: Oh , OK .Professor B: Do I ?Grad C: OK . So . Wonderful parse , same thing . Um.Professor B: Right .Grad C: Except that we d w we don't have this , uh , time information here now , which is , um {disfmarker} Oh . This {disfmarker} are thereserve . Anyways . {vocalsound} So . Um . These are the {disfmarker} sort of the ten different sentence types that the uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} theparser was able to do . And it still is , now in English .Professor B: Yeah .Grad E: Mm - hmm .Grad C: And , um {disfmarker} Sorry . And , um you have already tomake it a little bit more elaborate , right ?Grad D: Yeah , I mean I changed those sentences to make it , uh , more , uh , idiomatic . And , of course , you can havei many variations in those sentences , they will still parse fine . So , in a sense it 's pretty broad .Professor B: OK .Grad C: OK . So , if you want to look at thetemplates , {vocalsound} {vocalsound} they 're conveniently located in a file , \" template \" . Um , and this is what I had to do . I had to change , @ @{comment} \" Spielfilm \" to \" film \" , uh , \" Film \" to \" movie \" , cinem \" Kino \" to \" cinema \" {disfmarker} to \" today \" {disfmarker} heu \" heute \" to \" today \",Grad E: Huh .Grad C: evening {disfmarker} \" Abend \" to \" evening \"Professor B: Capitalized as wellGrad A: Hmm .Grad C: And , um .Professor B: Y iGrad D: Onething I was wondering , was , those functions there , are those things that modify the M - three - L basically ?Grad C: Yep .Grad D: OK .Grad C: And that 's{disfmarker} that 's the next step ,Professor B: pGrad C: but we 'll get to that in a second .Professor B: Oh .Grad C: And so this means , um , \" this \" and \" see \""}
{"doc_id":"doc_174","qid":"","text":"Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay , welcome to the second meeting of this uh design group . Um {vocalsound} I'll briefly go through theuh notes of the of the last meeting uh just done in in note form and I haven't attributed anything to individuals , because we're working strictly as a team hereand uh n nobody's working equally ,User Interface: Sorry .Project Manager: so uh . Um we we s we saw that the the problems with existing remote controls werethe uh b a boring shape and boring colour . Um and and we s we saw that the um what we needed to do was to to make sure the device um controls severalitems , that switching was easy , that you shouldn't need to point the thing at uh anything in particular , um that it need to be contoured to make it interesting ,that the keys might be concave , simply because that hasn't been done before that we know of . Um should have interchangeable fascias so people canpersonalise it , um illuminated so that people can see it in dark rooms . Um and that people might want it as as {disfmarker} in addition to their existing remotecontrols . Um {vocalsound} and that it sh it should just always work , whenever you uh um mm uh use it . And that it shouldn't be too small , mm that it it getslost . Um . {gap} Now uh uh I'll shortly ask for for three three presentations . Uh before I do that , however , I will go through some new project requirementsthat um {disfmarker} the the management have placed on us and uh will be challenging in terms of what we discussed at the first meeting . Um the uh the mathe management has had it's own thoughts on this and uh the they don't necessarily agree with with what we uh we thought . Um and and then we'll{disfmarker} as a result of that we will then talk through the the functions that we see the the device um actually b carrying out , and we have uh forty minutesto do this in and I uh {disfmarker} Anyway . Okay . Now , the n the new requirements are um the the management team see that um teletext is no longer of anyimportance given the uh the rise of the internet . Um and and they want it only to cover televisions . Um now , what is not q quite clear from their directive iswhether they mean th they don't want it to cover teletext or whether they don't want it to cover , you know , videos , D_V_D_s , um satellite boxes , which uh{disfmarker} I mean we saw as being fundamental to the uh to the exercise . The um the actual wording of the directive is that it should cover television only .Um and on that basis um I I think we we need to bear that in mind , um but possibly uh keep at the backs of our minds that the reality that people even whenthey uh no longer {disfmarker} they don't look at teletext anymore , they certainly do look at other things . Um {vocalsound} the device has to incorporate thecompany logo and colours . Um the the logo uh being at b the bottom of the screen there , the the the two R_s in grey against uh a yellow background . Um nowthis doesn't {vocalsound} necessarily mean that we have to give up some of our ideas about making it attractive to the t to the market . But uh do do introducesome some constraints as to how we might do that . Um it also has to be simple , which to some extent goes along w with the first one , and that {disfmarker}we've already said that it must be simple 'cause that's what people want anyway . Um but they also want it to be simple to get it to the market quickly , which ummm {vocalsound} uh is is is their choice , but uh um we we need to talk that through . Um okay , so uh after the meeting it'll be summarised and uhIndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: um notes sent out and uh etcetera . Okay , so {vocalsound} we'll first of all mm haveindividual reports from everybody . Um again I {vocalsound} {disfmarker} there is no order of precedence here um so I I I'll leave it up to you to {disfmarker}who who who thinks they would like to go go first ?Marketing: Uh I don't mind . {gap}Project Manager: P fine .Marketing: Uh can I steal the cable ?ProjectManager: Oh sorry , you can indeed .Marketing: Cheers .Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} I got a{disfmarker} how do I start there ?Project Manager: Oh , if you click on the um uh the one that that looks like a projection screen , no the one to the right of that. That one .Marketing: That one . Cool . Well these are functionality requirements from the {disfmarker} our our guys down in the the research lab . Tookhundred people and covered all the aspects of what um is needed by people and what they want to see . Um {vocalsound} everything kinda from functionalityand how individual functions are {disfmarker} how mu how how often they're used and how much their necessary and stuff . And general opinions about currentcurrent remotes . See that , as we kinda noticed , seventy five percent of people find their remote controls ugly . So some kind of a new style should beincorporated that's less ugly {vocalsound} . Uh along with um looking less ugly , if it looks better , eighty percent of people said they'd spend more money on it .Which is a a plus for us , if we can make it look better , it'd be uh more cost effective and we can put the price up . Current remote controls do not match theoperating behaviour of the user . I can empl I kinda take that to mean as um {vocalsound} they they don't uh {disfmarker} they , yeah , they only use{disfmarker} they only work for the television or yeah like as in in my flat I've got six remote controls for a stereo system , a digital box , a D_V_D_ player , avideo player and T_V_ . If it was uh {disfmarker} I mean th my behaviour is to use multiple things at the same time and multiple remotes aren't really matchedwell to my behaviour . {vocalsound} Uh again , seventy five percent is {disfmarker} seventy five percent of users say they zap a lot . I took to mean that theyjust {disfmarker} they use it a lot , they use it regularly rather than standing up and manually change channels or volume {gap} . {vocalsound} And uh yeah ,uh I think the big issue is fifty percent users only use ten percent of the buttons , 'cause uh wh if we got a remote that like {disfmarker} well we'll have somebuttons taken off by the lack of teletext , but uh oh and we're going to see uh on the {disfmarker} uh that some of the functions like audio settings aren't hhardly ever used and used very {disfmarker} aren't considered relevant by the user . So I think maybe fewer buttons , which also make the design look sleeker ,I dunno . Uh um yeah and uh frustrations of like people losing remote control .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: I dunno maybe some kind of system of you pressa button on the T_V_ or maybe that's b it would have to incorporate {gap} , but like some kind of system where you can f use something else to find the remotecontrol . Maybe like it'll beep or something . And um , yep , the uh time taken to learn new remote controls is {disfmarker} Uh don't want to make it toocomplicated , easy to use for uh new {disfmarker} like first time users and stuff . And uh repetitive strain injury , I suppose we should make it more comfortableand make ma possibly even use {disfmarker} have to make it , yeah , fewer buttons , like I was saying about the whole mice {disfmarker} the mouse idea of itfeels more comfortable .Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: Maybe don't even have to hold it as such .Project Manager: Gosh , must be some telly addicts out thereif they get R_S_I_ from their television remote , is all I can say .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: But uh yeah . It also asked um if we would {disfmarker} if people would pay more for speech recognitionProject Manager: {vocalsound}{gap}Marketing: and younger people say they would . And uh there was another section on our {disfmarker} on the report for uh L_C_D_ displays , but the datawasn't there , so . I don't actually know what the results for that were ,Project Manager: Mm . Right . Mm .Marketing: so . {vocalsound} May be incrementallyemitting , but yeah .Project Manager: Yeah , I must say that um the uh {disfmarker} I c can't remember what {vocalsound} um f you know phone service I wasusing the other day , but that had sorta speech recognition which worked uh remarkably well , so that is indeed a uh um a thoughtMarketing: And uh{vocalsound} it would cut out the R_S_I_ as well if you {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager: and it it cuts out uh {disfmarker} I was was gonna say , youcan't get a lot of R_S_I_ ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: j just get jaw ache . Okay , sorry . {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah , um {disfmarker}oh yeah , so possibly the speech recognition is possibly something could add into the design . Oh , I've got some other things I couldn't fit onto this presentation .Um . You see this okay ? Almost {disfmarker} no ? It's {disfmarker} sorry it's a bit {gap} . I'll read out to you . Uh functionality , uh like people's opinions onfunctionality , the relevance to the remote and how often they're used . So um like the power . Using the using the d swi the power switch to switch on T_V_ is ahigh relevance of nine , but it's not frequently used . You see what I mean ?Project Manager: Yeah . {vocalsound}Marketing: Whereas channel selection , which isvery high relevanceProject Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: is used the most . So m we can maybe even start to cut down on {disfmarker} or I was possibly eventhinking of a design that maybe some of the buttons are hidden from everyday use . Maybe like uh a folding ledge or something . So that we can maybe go intothe channel settings and the audio settings ,Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: which are low relevanceProject Manager: {vocalsound} Mm-hmm . I mean{disfmarker}Marketing: and rarely used . And keep the v volume selection and channel selection very easily {disfmarker}User Interface: It could be {disfmarker}oh uh I was just gonna say uh maybe like the flip phones that they use ?Industrial Designer: Mm .User Interface: Have you seen the new mo mobilephonesProject Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: that flip out and they have the like texting , and then the numbers on one side ,Marketing: Oh yeah.User Interface: soProject Manager: Mm .User Interface: you could have the most {vocalsound} used buttons on top and flip it out or something .ProjectManager: Hmm , hmm .Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: Yeah , like the one that like slides backProject Manager: Uh . Should we actually bite the bullet here?Marketing: and the buttons are concealed underneath .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: If people really don't use those buttonsto any extent at all um {vocalsound} remove them altogether .Marketing: Just remove them completely ?Project Manager: We we could actually have we couldactually have a remote control with um {disfmarker}User Interface: That might be the {disfmarker}Project Manager: I wonder whether we could get the remotecontrol with no buttons at all if we went for voice recognition , given that um the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Um now the the age structure we were looking at{disfmarker} um I mean w we had usage by age structure , what we didn't have was what proportion of people using remotes were in those particular age groups"}
{"doc_id":"doc_175","qid":"","text":"Grad G: headphones that aren't so uncomfortable .PhD B: I think {disfmarker} Well , this should be off the record ,Professor D: Hmm .PhD B: but I think{disfmarker}Professor D: Uh , OK .Professor A: We 're not recording yet , are we ?Grad G: Well , I don't think {disfmarker}PhD F: No , uh , that {disfmarker}that wasn't recorded .Grad G: No . Um , I don't think they 're designed to be over your ears .PhD B: Yeah , I know . It just {disfmarker} it really hurts . It givesyou a headache , like if you {disfmarker} On your temple {disfmarker}PhD F: Temple squeezers .PhD B: Yeah .Grad G: Yep .PhD B: Yeah .Professor D: Mm -hmm .Grad G: But I definitely {pause} haven't figured it out .Professor A: Um , Meeting Recorder meeting .PhD F: I guess I have to d stop doing this sigh ofcontentment , you know , after sipping cappuccino or something .PhD B: Yeah , with the {disfmarker} We kno I know .Grad G: \" Sip , sigh . \"PhD B: We knowexactly how much you have left in your cup .PhD F: I was just noticing a big sProfessor D: So are we recording now ? Is this {disfmarker}PhD E: Yeah .ProfessorD: Oh ! We 're {disfmarker} we 're {disfmarker} we 're live . OK .PhD E: Yeah .Professor D: So , uh , {vocalsound} what were we gonna talk about again ? So wesaid {disfmarker} we said data collection , which we 're doing .PhD B: Were we gonna do digits ?Professor A: OK . Do we do th do you go around the room{pause} and do names or anything ?Grad G: I think that {disfmarker}PhD E: It 's a good idea .Grad G: u usually we 've done that and also we 've s done digitsas well , but I forgot to print any out . So . Besides with this big a group ,PhD B: You can write them on the board , if you want .Professor D: No . I it 'd be evenbetter with this big {disfmarker}Grad G: it would take too much time .PhD E: Which way is {disfmarker}Grad G: Yeah , but it takes too much time .PhD E: Mari?Postdoc H: What {disfmarker}Professor A: What ?Professor D: It 's not that long .PhD E: Y I think your {disfmarker} your {disfmarker} your thing{nonvocalsound} may be pointing in a funny direction . Sort of it 's {disfmarker} it helps if it points sort of upwards .Professor A: Whoops .PhD E: Sort of it{disfmarker} you know .Professor A: Would it {disfmarker} mPhD E: Yeah .Professor D: w uPhD E: So that thing {disfmarker} the little {disfmarker} th that partshould be pointing upwards .Professor A: So {disfmarker} Oh , this thing .PhD E: That 's it . Yeah .Professor A: Yeah .Postdoc H: Otherwise you just get aheartbeats .Professor A: It 's kind of {disfmarker}Professor D: Oh , yeah , the element , yeah , n should be as close to you {disfmarker} your mouth as possible.Professor A: Yeah . OK .PhD E: That 's good . That kind of thing is good .Postdoc H: It 's a {disfmarker}Professor A: This w Alright .PhD E: Yeah .Professor A:How 's that working ?Professor D: Yeah .PhD E: Oh , yeah . It 's a {disfmarker} It 's working .Professor A: OK .Professor D: Alright . So what we had {pause} wasthat we were gonna talk about data collection , and , um , uh , you {disfmarker} you put up there data format ,Professor A: Um .Professor D: and other tasksduring data collection ,Professor A: So , I think the goal {disfmarker} the goal was what can we do {disfmarker} how can you do the data collection differently toget {disfmarker}Professor D: and {disfmarker}Professor A: what can you add to it to get , um , some information that would be helpful for the user - interfacedesign ? Like {disfmarker}Grad G: Uh , especially for querying .Professor A: Especially for querying . So , getting people to do queries afterwards , getting peopleto do summaries afterwards . Um .Postdoc H: Well , one thing that came up in the morning {disfmarker} in the morning was the , um , i uh , if he {disfmarker} I, um {disfmarker} if he has {disfmarker} s I {disfmarker} I don't remember , Mister Lan - Doctor Landry ?Grad G: Landay . James .Postdoc H: La - Landay ? Sohe has , um , these , uh , um , tsk {comment} note - taking things ,Professor A: Mm - hmm .Postdoc H: then that would sort of be a summary which youwouldn't have to solicit . y if {disfmarker} if we were able to {disfmarker} to do that .Professor A: Well , if {disfmarker} if you actually take notes as a summaryas opposed to n take notes in the sense of taking advantage of the time - stamps . So action item or uh , reminder to send this to so - and - so , blah - blah - blah.Postdoc H: Mm - hmm .Professor A: So that wouldn't be a summary . That would just be {disfmarker} that would b relate to the query side .Grad G: But if wehad the CrossPads , we could ask people , you know , if {disfmarker} if something comes up {vocalsound} write it down and mark it {vocalsound} {pause}somehow ,Postdoc H: Mm - hmm .PhD E: Right . I mean , we {disfmarker} because you 'd have several people with these pads , you could collect different things.Grad G: you know .Professor A: Right .PhD E: I mean , cuz I tend to take notes which are summaries . And so , you know {disfmarker}PhD F: I mean , the down- side to that is that he sort of indicated that the , uh , quality of {vocalsound} the handwriting recognition was quite poor .Professor A: Well {disfmarker}Grad G:But that 's alright . I don't think there 'd be so many that you couldn't have someone clean it upProfessor A: So {disfmarker}Grad G: pretty easily .Professor A:Yeah . We also could come up with some code for things that people want to do so that {disfmarker} for frequent things .PhD F: Yeah .Professor A: And the otherthings , people can write whatever they want . I mean , it 's to some extent , uh , for his benefit . So , if that {disfmarker} you know , if {disfmarker} if we justkeep it simple then maybe it 's still useful .PhD F: Right .Grad G: Yeah .Professor D: I just realized we skipped the part that we were saying we were gonna do atthe front where we each said who we were .Postdoc H: The roll call .Professor A: Right . I thought you did that on purpose .Professor D: Roll call .Professor A: Butanyway , shall we do the roll call ?Professor D: No , not a No , I just {disfmarker} My mind went elsewhere . So , uh , yeah , I 'm Morgan , and where am I ? I 'mon channel three .Grad G: And I 'm Adam Janin on channel A .Postdoc H: I 'm Jane Edwards , I think on channel B .PhD E: I 'm Dan Ellis .PhD F: Eric on channelnine .PhD B: Liz , on channel one .Professor A: Mari on channel zero .Professor C: Katrin on channel two .Postdoc H: Should we have used pseudo - names ?Should we do it a second time with pseudo No . {vocalsound} No .Professor D: I 'm Rocky Raccoon {vocalsound} on channel {disfmarker}PhD E: Let me , uh ,turn that off .Grad G: And , uh , do you want to do the P D As and the {pause} P ZPhD E: Oh . PZM nearest , nearest , next nearest . Next one .Postdoc H: Nextnearest .PhD E: Furthest .Grad G: Far .PhD E: PDM - right , PZA - right {disfmarker} PDA - right , PDA - left .Postdoc H: OK .PhD E: Thanks .Grad G: Yeah , andeventually once this room gets a little more organized , the Jimlets {comment} will be mounted under the table , and these guys will be permanently mountedsomehow . You know , probably with double - sided tape , but {disfmarker} So . You {disfmarker} So we won't have to go through that .Professor A: Hmm.Postdoc H: I have a question on protocol in these meetings , which is when you say \" Jimlet \" and the person listening won't know what that is , sh shou How{disfmarker} how do we get {disfmarker} Is that important information ? You know , the Jimlet {disfmarker} I mean , the box that contains the{disfmarker}Professor D: Well , I mean , suppose we broaden out and go to a range of meetings besides just these internal ones . There 's gonna be lots ofthings that any group of people who know each other have in column {disfmarker} common {comment} that we will not know .Professor A: Right .Postdoc H:Mm - hmm .Professor A: Right .Postdoc H: OK .Professor A: So the there will be jargon that we he There 'll be transcription errors .Postdoc H: Good .Professor D:Yeah .Postdoc H: OK .Professor D: I mean , we {disfmarker} we were originally gonna do this with VLSI design , and {disfmarker} and {disfmarker} and thereason we didn't go straight to that was because immediately ninety percent of what we heard would be {vocalsound} jargon to {disfmarker} to us . So .Grad G:Well , that was just one of the reasons . But , yeah , definitely .Professor D: Yeah .Postdoc H: OK . Good .Professor D: That {disfmarker} that 's right . There wereothers of course . Yeah .Postdoc H: OK , so we were on the data collection {pause} {comment} and the summary issue .Professor D: Right . We can go back.Professor A: So , uh , u u So , actually there 's kind of three issues . There 's the CrossPad issue . Should we do it and , if so , what 'll we have them do ? Um , dowe have s people write summaries ? Everybody or one person ? And then , do we ask people for how they would query things ? Is that {disfmarker}PhD F: There's {disfmarker} there 're sub - problems in that , in that where {disfmarker} or when do you actually ask them about that ?Professor A: Right .PhD F: I mean ,that was {disfmarker} One thing I was thinking about was is that Dan said earlier that , you know , maybe two weeks later , which is when you would want toquery these things , you might ask them then .Professor A: Right .PhD F: But there 's a problem with that in that if {pause} you 're not {disfmarker} If you don'thave an interactive system , it 's gonna be hard to go beyond sort of the first level of question .Professor A: Right .PhD F: Right . And furth id explore the datafurther .Professor A: Right .PhD F: So .Professor D: There 's {disfmarker} there 's another problemGrad G: And {disfmarker}Professor D: which is , um , wecertainly do want to branch out beyond , uh , uh , recording meetings about Meeting Recorder . And , uh , once we get out beyond our little group , the people 'smotivation factor , uh , reduces enormously . And if we start giving them a bunch of other things to do , how {disfmarker} you know , we {disfmarker} we did nyou know another meeting here for another group and {disfmarker} and , uh , they were fine with it . But if we 'd said , \" OK , now all eight of you have to{disfmarker} {vocalsound} have to come up with , uh , the summar \"Grad G: Well , I asked them to and none of them did .Professor D: t See ? There we go.Grad G: So , I {disfmarker} I asked them to send me ideas for queries after the meetingPostdoc H: Mm - hmm .Professor A: They {disfmarker}Grad G: and noone ever did .PhD E: Mm - hmm .Grad G: I didn't follow up either .Professor A: Yeah .Grad G: So I didn't track them down and say \" please do th do it now \" . But, uh , no one spontaneously provided anything .Professor D: I I 'm worried that if you did {disfmarker} even if you did push them into it , it {disfmarker} it{disfmarker} it might be semi - random ,Professor A: Right .Professor D: uh , as opposed to what you 'd really want to know if you were gonna use this thing.PhD E: Right .Professor A: OK .Grad G: I just don't know how else to generate the queries other than getting an expert to actually listen to the meeting and say \"that 's important , that might be a query \" .Postdoc H: Tsk . Well , there is this other thing which y which you were alluding to earlier , which is , um , there arecertain key words like , you know , \" action item \" and things like that , which could be used in , uh , t to some degree finding the structure .Professor A: Yeah"}
{"doc_id":"doc_176","qid":"","text":"Grad G: Time .Grad C: Thanks .Grad G: Are you Fey ?Undergrad D: I am Fey , yeah .Grad G: Oh .Grad B: What day is today ?Undergrad D: Hi .Grad G: Hi . Ithink we 've met before , like , I remember talking to you about Aspect or something like that at some point or other .Undergrad D: A couple times yeah .Grad F:It 's the uh twenty {disfmarker} nineteenth .Grad B: Nineteenth ?Undergrad D: That 's right , yeah .Grad G: So .Undergrad D: And you were my GSI briefly ,until I dropped the class .Grad F: Grad B: Right , right .Grad G: Oh that 's right .Undergrad D: But .Grad G: Well .Grad C: OK , wh whGrad G: No offense .Grad C:Yeah .Grad G: Like .Grad C: OK . Some in some introductions are in order .Grad G: Oh , OK sorry .Grad C: OK .Grad G: Getting ahead of myself .Grad C: So . Um. For those who don't know {disfmarker} Everyone knows me , this is great . Um , apart from that , sort of the old gang , Johno and Bhaskara have been with usfrom {disfmarker} from day oneGrad G: Yay !Grad E: Hi .Grad C: and um they 're engaged in {disfmarker} in various activities , some of which you will hearabout today . Ami is um our counselor and spiritual guidance and um also interested in problems concerning reference of the more complex type ,PhD A: Well.Grad E: Oh wow .Grad C: and um he sits in as a interested participant and helper . Is that a good characterization ?PhD A: u That 's pretty good , I think .GradC: I don't know .PhD A: Yeah . Thanks .Grad C: OK . Keith is not technically one of us yet ,Grad E: Not yet .Grad C: ha - ha . but um it 's too late for him now.Grad G: \" One of us . \"Grad C: So .Grad E: Yeah right . I 've got the headset on after all .Grad C: Um . Officially I guess he will be joining us in the summer .GradE: yes .Grad C: And um hopefully it is by {disfmarker} by means of Keith that we will be able to get a b a better formal and a better semantic um idea of what aconstruction is and um how we can make it work for us . Additionally his interest um surpasses um English because it also entails German , an extra capability ofspeaking and writing and understanding and reading that language . And um , is there anyone who doesn't know Nancy ? Do you {disfmarker} do you knowNancy ?Grad G: Me ?Grad E: I know Nancy .Grad G: Mm - hmm .Grad B: I made that joke already , Nancy , sadly .Grad C: OK .Grad G: What ?Grad B: The \" Idon't know myself \" joke .Grad G: You did ? When ?Grad B: Uh before you came in .Grad G: Oh .Grad E: Man !Grad G: About me or you ?Grad B: About me .GradG: OK . {vocalsound} OK .PhD A: You could do it about you .Grad B: Yeah .Grad G: Well I didn't know . I didn't mean to be humor copying , but OK , sorry . Yes ,I know myself . It 's OK .Grad C: OK .Grad G: It 's a {disfmarker}Grad C: And um Fey is with us as of six days ago officially ?Undergrad D: Officially ,Grad C:Officially ,Undergrad D: yeah .Grad C: but in reality already um much much longer and um um next to some {disfmarker} some more or less bureaucratic uhstuff with the {disfmarker} the data collection she 's also the wizard in the data collection Um ,Grad G: Of Oz .Undergrad D: It 's very exciting .Grad C: we 'resticking with the term \" wizard \" ,Undergrad D: Yes .Grad C: OK .Undergrad D: Yes .Grad C: and umGrad G: Not witch - like .Grad B: Wizardette .Grad E: Wizard.Grad F: Wizardess .Grad C: Sorceress , I think .Grad G: OK .Undergrad D: Wizard .Grad C: wizard uh by by popular voteGrad G: OK .Grad C: umGrad G: Didn'ttake a vote ? OK .Grad C: OK , um , why don't we get started on that subject anyways . Um , so we 're about to collect data and um the uh s the following thingshave happened since we last met . When will we three meet again ? And umGrad G: More than three of us .Grad C: what happened is that um , \" A \" ,{comment} there was some confusion between you and Jerry with the {disfmarker} that leading to your talking to Catherine Snow , and he was uh he{disfmarker} he agreed completely that some something confusing happened . Um his idea was to get sort of the l the lists of mayors of the department , thestudents . It {disfmarker} it 's exactly how you interpreted it , sort of sGrad E: The list of majors in the department ?Undergrad D: M m Majors ?Grad C: Ma -majors , majors .Undergrad D: Majors ?Grad C: \" Mayors \" .Undergrad D: OK , mayor {disfmarker}Grad C: Majors .Undergrad D: Something I don't know abouttheseGrad G: The department has many mayors .Grad C: Majors and um just sending the {disfmarker} the little write - up that we did on to those emaillistsUndergrad D: OK . OK . Yeah , yeah , yeah . But {disfmarker} Yeah .Grad C: uh {disfmarker}Undergrad D: So it was really Carol Snow who was confused ,not me and not Jerry .Grad C: Yep , yep , yep . OK . So . So , that is uh {disfmarker}Undergrad D: That 's good . So I should still do that .Grad C: Yep .UndergradD: OK .Grad C: And {disfmarker}Undergrad D: And using the thing that you wrote up .Grad C: Yep .Undergrad D: OK .Grad C: Wonderful . And um we have alittle description of asking peop subjects to contact Fey for you know recruiting them for our thing and um there was some confusion as to the consent form ,which is basically that {disfmarker} that what what you just signedGrad G: Right .Grad C: and since we have one already um {disfmarker}Grad G: Did Jerry talkto you about maybe using our class ? the students in the undergrad class that he 's teaching ?Grad C: Um well he said um we {disfmarker} definitely \" yes \",Grad G: eGrad C: however there is always more people in a {disfmarker} in a facul uh in a department than are just taking his class or anybody else 's class atthe momentGrad G: Yeah .Grad C: and one should sort of reach out and try and get them all .Grad G: OK , but th I guess it 's that um people in his class cover adifferent set so {disfmarker} than the c is the CogSci department that you were talking about ?Undergrad D: I guess . SeeGrad G: uh reaching out to ?UndergradD: that 's what I suggested to him , that people like {disfmarker} like Jerry and George and et cetera just {disfmarker}Grad G: Cuz we have you know peoplefrom other areasGrad C: Yeah .Grad G: advertise in their classes as well .Undergrad D: Yeah or even I could {disfmarker} you know I could do the actual{disfmarker}Grad C: Mm - hmm .Grad G: Cuz I mean I {disfmarker} I know how to contact our students ,Undergrad D: That 's generally the way it 's done .GradG: so if there 's something that you 're sending out you can also s um send me a copy ,Grad C: Yeah .Grad G: me or Bhaskara could {disfmarker} either of uscould post it to uh is it {disfmarker}Undergrad D: A mailing list .Grad G: if it 's a general solicitation that you know is just contact you then we can totally pro postit to the news groupGrad C: Mm - hmm . Yeah .Undergrad D: Yeah .Grad G: so .Grad C: Do it . Yeah .Undergrad D: That 's {disfmarker}Grad G: OK , so you 'llsend it or something so .Grad C: As a matter of fact , if you {disfmarker}Undergrad D: I can send it .Grad C: if {disfmarker}Undergrad D: I 'll send it ,Grad G:You can send it to me .Grad C: Now , iUndergrad D: yeah .Grad G: OK . Don't worry , we {disfmarker} this doesn't concern you anymore , Robert .Grad C: How{disfmarker} however I suggest that if you {disfmarker} if you look at your email carefully you may think {disfmarker} you may find that you already have it.Grad G: It 's fine . Oops . Already ? Really ?Grad C: Maybe .Undergrad D: ProbabGrad G: Oops .Grad C: OK . W we 'll see .Grad G: I don't remember gettinganything .Grad C: Anyhow , um the uh Yeah , not only Also we will talk about Linguistics and of course Computer Science .Grad G: Mm - hmm .Grad C: Um andthen , secondly , we had , you may remember , um the problem with the re - phrasing , that subject always re - phrase sort of the task that uh we gave them,Grad B: Right .Grad C: and so we had a meeting on Friday talking about how to avoid that , and it proved finally fruitful in the sense that we came up with a newscenario for how to get the {disfmarker} the subject m to really have intentions and sort of to act upon those , and um there the idea is now that next actually we{disfmarker} we need to hire one more person to actually do that job because it {disfmarker} it 's getting more complicated . So if you know anyone interested in{disfmarker} in what i 'm about to describe , tell that person to {disfmarker} to write a mail to me or Jerry soon , fast . Um {vocalsound} the idea now is to sortof come up with a high level of sort of abstract tasks \" go shopping \" um \" take in uh a batch of art \" um \" visit {disfmarker} do some sightseeing \" blah - blah -blah - blah - blah , sort of analogous to what Fey has started in {disfmarker} in {disfmarker} in compiling {disfmarker} compiling here and already {disfmarker}she has already gone to the trouble of {disfmarker} of anchoring it with specific um o {comment} um entities and real world places you will find in Heidelberg .And um . So out of these f s these high level categories the subject can pick a couple , such as if {disfmarker} if there is a cop uh a category in emptying your rollof film , the person can then decide \" OK , I wanna do that at this place \" , sort of make up their own itinerary a and {disfmarker} and tasks and the person is notallowed to take sort of this h high level category list with them , but uh the person is able to take notes on a map that we will give him and the map will be atourist 's sort of schematic representation with {disfmarker} with symbols for the objects . And so , the person can maybe make a mental note that \" ah yeah Iwanted to go shopping here \" and \" I wanted to maybe take a picture of that \" and \" maybe um eat here \" and then goes in and solves the task with the system ,IE {comment} Fey , and um and we 're gonna try out that {disfmarker} Any questions ?Grad G: so um y you 'll have those say somewhere what their intentionwas {disfmarker} so you still have the {disfmarker} the nice thing about having data where you know what the actual intention was ?Grad C: Mm - hmm . Yeah.Grad G: But they will um {disfmarker} There 's nothing that says you know \" these are the things you want to do \" so they 'll say \" well these are the things Iwant to do \" and {disfmarker} Right , so they 'll have a little bit more natural interaction ?Grad C: Hopefully .Grad G: OK . Mm - hmm .Grad F: So they 'll begiven this map , which means that they won't have to like ask the system for in for like high level information about where things are ?Grad C: Yeah it 's aschematic tourist map . So it 'll be uh i it 'll still require the {disfmarker} that information and AnGrad G: It w it doesn't have like streets on it that would allowthem to figure out their way {disfmarker}Grad C: N not {disfmarker} not {disfmarker} not really the street network . Nuh .Grad G: OK .Grad E: So you 're justsaying like what part of town the things are in or whatever ?Grad C: Yeah a and um the map is more a means for them to have the buildings and their names andmaybe some ma ma major streets and their namesGrad G: Mm - hmm .Grad C: and we want to maybe ask them , if you have {disfmarker} get it sort of isolatedstreet the {disfmarker} the , whatever , \" River Street \" , and they know that {disfmarker} they have decided that , yes , that 's where they want to do this kindof action um that they have it with them and they can actually read them or sort of have the label for the object because it 's too hard to memorize all these st"}
{"doc_id":"doc_177","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Good .Industrial Designer: Beep . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Oh .Project Manager: So well uhUser Interface: What ?Project Manager: welcomeeveryone .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Um as you may have noticed I uhUser Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: created separate folders because it was uh tending to get a little busy in our uh shared project documents uh folder .User Interface: Yeah .ProjectManager: I don't know if everybody uh put their own uh documents in the right folder , which is for now the detailed design meeting .Marketing: That's new one?Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: We didn't make any uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Uh , we should save that one . {vocalsound}User Interface: Ohin {disfmarker}Project Manager: Then I'll move this one .User Interface: Didn't we just do that ?Industrial Designer: Yeah , save in the folder . Save as project.User Interface: Oh .Project Manager: Oh no , this is just one big document , so you can leave that wherever it is .Industrial Designer: Oh , okay .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} And we have a evaluation left here .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Hmm hmm .Project Manager: Okay .IndustrialDesigner: Agenda .Project Manager: Well not main documents this time . Oh uh yes .User Interface: Hmm ?Project Manager: I have it open myself I guess . Umwell the detailed design meeting {disfmarker} Huh ? We're finally getting somewhere hopefully .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Um what are we going to do ? I've opened it already . Um I'm still going to take some minutes , and if I'm right , you two aregoing to give a prototype presentation ?Industrial Designer: Oh , sorry .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {gap}Project Manager: Aren't you ?UserInterface: We could . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yes , you are .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: And uh m did you dosomething with evaluation criteria ?Marketing: Yep . Yep .Project Manager: Good . And we have a correct agenda . And uh then we have to look at somethingwhich is less nice , the finance uh aspect , whether we can afford what we have designed ,User Interface: Oops . {vocalsound}Project Manager: and if we can wecan uh commence the final part which is the production or project evaluation , how did we work together and what are the results , and how happy are we withthose . Okay , well finance uh will be later . Now I'd like to give the word to you two .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Okay .User Interface:{vocalsound} Well uhIndustrial Designer: Get up stand up . {gap} just {disfmarker}User Interface: we made a prototype .Industrial Designer: 'Kay .UserInterface: We first start with the overall uh {disfmarker} This is about the total remote control .Industrial Designer: View .User Interface: We made it green.Industrial Designer: Just example colour ,User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: so uh there's one of the colours we would like to uh see in our prototype.User Interface: It's a fresh colour . And uh the screen light blue . Oh uh this the scroll button and the microphone on the on the sides here under . And the R_and R_ logo , it just says R_ and R_ now , but uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Okay ?User Interface: Any questions so far ? {vocalsound}Marketing: Bigmicrophone .Industrial Designer: {gap} yeah ,User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: just uh just an idea about how to m th that could also be possible.Marketing: Oh okay . That's the place where it's going to be , not the size . {gap}User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Uh well , it's an idea in a{disfmarker} so .User Interface: Oh y you {disfmarker} perhaps you should make it a bit big , so people know it's there and uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:Do not forget it .User Interface: Uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: To function it it doesn't really have to be sm uh big of course .UserInterface: Hmm .Marketing: Yeah , okay . Of course .Industrial Designer: The microphone could be just a minor uh hole uh on the left uh button .Marketing: Mm .Mm , th yeah .Industrial Designer: Okay umMarketing: Small .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} we also made some uh ideas about how uh the options menuwould work . Uh using the scroll button on sides uh y uh I uh um {gap} {disfmarker}User Interface: You push the scroll buttonIndustrial Designer: Yeah , youpush the scroll buttonUser Interface: and it's claps out if there's a {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and a drop down menu or a pull out menucomes out and uh you get uh you get the options uh becoming available . For example uh T_V_ settings , uh remote settings , et cetera .User Interface: Remotesettings , et cetera . Yeah .Industrial Designer: So uh you can scroll down too with the scroll uh button , uh as you can see {disfmarker} oh , it's here , just pushit in , uh the menu comes out like this and uh i it all becomes visible . Um {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah . And you could also touch it so that it comes out,Industrial Designer: Yeah , that's cUser Interface: and and use the the the scroll thing as a {disfmarker} with your fingers .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Indeed.User Interface: Yes .Industrial Designer: Okay , um it's also uh nice to see that um we made a small uh menu , uh the options menu uh becoming available whenpressing the uh scroll uh button , and the opportunity to use the teletext , whi which is used uh {disfmarker} which should still be used and we think that it's uhvery handy to put it uh not uh under the options menu , but in uh {disfmarker} Yes . In an apart uh {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: So aseparate button for for text ,Industrial Designer: In a separate button , yeah . {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: okay .User Interface: Perhapswe should use the teletext sign in p yeah .Industrial Designer: A sign , yeah , just like {disfmarker} Okay , indeed .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer:Okay ,User Interface: Forgot . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: we can uh modify that later . Okay . Would you like to make any comments about next uh{disfmarker}User Interface: Uh well , this is the total interface uh that f of the L_C_D_ screen . Uh the numbers , which is pretty straight forward . We put ano anan extra button in . We can erase it , but {disfmarker} It's the button where you can switch channels . {gap} just when you are one and you go to two , you can{disfmarker} or if you go to five , you can go back to one with that button . Yeah , that one , yeah .Industrial Designer: Previous page , yeah , indeed .UserInterface: It has a name . And uh uh we put that in ,Industrial Designer: Oh my God .User Interface: I thought it would be handy there . Uh this the one numberor two numbers button . Below that , the page and the sound . And uh in the middle the the mute . Uh battery indicator . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} It's quite large .User Interface: It's {vocalsound} it's a bit big .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}And this is the uh the on off uh knop , the stand by uh knop . Or at least it should look like it . And the options uh of teletext .Industrial Designer: Okay . You cansee very clearly now that the uh teletext and options menu isn't uh taking uh much uh {disfmarker} uh it's taking much part of the screen , so it's very uh{disfmarker} when you uh {vocalsound} when you use it , doesn't uh become irritating to see .User Interface: Huh .Industrial Designer: 'Cause if you put it onthe top you always get see the the options menu . 'Cause people regularly uh read from left top to right down ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer:so {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah . Well this about it , I think .Industrial Designer: Okay . Huh .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Thank you . Looks good.User Interface: I will put it back on the {disfmarker} {vocalsound} on the nice green .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: And I just missedwhen I was typing {disfmarker} The R_R_ stands for ?Industrial Designer: {gap}User Interface: That's the logo of the {disfmarker}Project Manager: Logo , okay. {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah . It's th th right now it's only R_ R_ , but uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay well{disfmarker} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Full screen .Project Manager: I would have recognised it if it were the right colours of course .{vocalsound}Marketing: Shit .User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Alright . {vocalsound}User Interface: Sorry . {vocalsound}Marketing: 'Kay. {gap}Project Manager: Okay , the evaluation criteria ,User Interface: Oh full screen , yeah {vocalsound} {gap} .Industrial Designer: Huh .Project Manager: huh?Marketing: Evaluation . 'Kay , my task was this time to put up a questionnaire by which we can evaluate the design of the remote control by the questions we{gap} {disfmarker} requirements from the {disfmarker} of the users . My name , my job , okay .Industrial Designer: My name , my job . {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Marketing: The methods . Questionnaire with seven point scale from one to seven , from true to false ,User Interface: Right .Marketing:like question , is remote big enough , we can say it's true or it's false by steps . One means absolutely not true , seven {gap} {disfmarker} means true .UserInterface: Yeah .Marketing: The three important things of refa {vocalsound} {gap} are uh from th of this year is {disfmarker} are ,Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Sorry ,User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: you used the PowerPoint {gap} {disfmarker}Marketing: is the remotecontrol fancy enough ,User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: is it in innovative enough , and is it easy enough to use . And then evaluation itself . Uh .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: What ? {vocalsound}Marketing: So .Industrial Designer: Bling .Marketing: Okay .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Firstquestion . Is the design fancy enough ?User Interface: Well {disfmarker}Marketing: Project Manager , what do you think ?Project Manager: Well it's {disfmarker}looks fancy , especially with the green colour . And the the curves which we decided ,User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: But does it{disfmarker}Project Manager: huh ?Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Only what happened to the single curve we spoke about last meeting ?User Interface: Ituh {disfmarker} oh it's in the background . Oh .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Now uh the single curved idea was uh {disfmarker} Yeah , okay , you ge um{disfmarker}User Interface: Y you should make uh a sideways uh view .Industrial Designer: Yeah . The sideways view , uh that that that maUser Interface: It willbe , I guess . Oh , we can {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Ho not that pen . {vocalsound} Not that pen . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}UserInterface: OhMarketing: {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} WellUser Interface: g {vocalsound} I would {vocalsound}{disfmarker} smart board .Project Manager: it might work one time , huh . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Suppose so .User Interface:"}
{"doc_id":"doc_178","qid":"","text":"Lynne Neagle AM: Okay. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and Education Committee. We've received apologies for absence fromJanet Finch-Saunders, and also from Dawn Bowden, and I'd like to welcome Huw Irranca-Davies, who is substituting for Dawn Bowden. Can I ask Members ifthere are any declarations of interest, please? No. Okay. We'll move on, then, to our evidence session for our inquiry on school improvement and raisingstandards. I'd like to welcome Kirsty Williams AM, Minister for Education, and Steve Davies, director of education. Thank you both for attending and for yourdetailed paper in advance of the meeting. We've got a lot of ground to cover, so we'll go straight into questions, if that's okay. If I can just start by asking you: towhat extent is the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development still involved in the Welsh Government's school improvement journey?Kirsty WilliamsAM: First of all, can I thank the committee for their invitation this morning, and their interest in this particular area? As you will be aware, on coming into office,the director and I agreed to ask the OECD to do a rapid review of the state of Welsh education at the beginning of this Assembly term. They did that, and thefeedback from that work informed the publication and content of the national mission. I was very clear in the national mission that I would invite the OECD backto review our progress against that mission, and that has happened in the tail end of last year, and the OECD will publish their latest report on Welsh educationnext month now, in March. So, the expectation is that the report will be published on 23 March, and my intention is to make a statement to the Chamber on 24March. The nature of that review is part of our ongoing development of self-evaluation. So, we talk a lot about self-evaluation in the school system. Actually, thecontinuing relationship with OECD is about self-evaluation of the entirety of the system and Welsh Government. We don't want to accept our own orthodoxy andjust be in a bubble where we are constantly listening to ourselves and those people who might want to agree with us or tell us what we want to hear. So, theOECD is our best attempt of having some external verification of where we are. That's a risk for Ministers and for Government, because we want them to give anhonest evaluation of where we are, but that's a really important tool for me, to ensure that we're constantly testing ourselves. The nature of that review is thatthe OECD were able to talk to whoever they felt it was important to talk to, so that included practitioners on the ground, elements of the middle tier, as well asWelsh Government. And I know, Chair—I hope you'll be pleased to hear this—that the reports of this committee have formed parts of their review, looking at howthe Senedd itself has contributed to and has held the Government to account. So, as I said, we expect our report to be published towards the end of March.LynneNeagle AM: Okay, thank you, Minister. Can I ask about the powers under the School Standards and Organisation (Wales) Act 2013, to ask you to tell us about theuse of those powers either by Welsh Government or by local authorities, and how effective you feel that legislation has been?Kirsty Williams AM: Okay. Well, asyou'll be aware, local authorities have quite extensive powers of intervention in schools if they feel that is necessary. If I'm honest, I think there's a mixed picture,with some local authorities using those powers not on a regular basis, but obviously demonstrating a willingness to use those powers. There are other localauthorities who don't seem to have used them. Since that legislation came into being, there have been a number of reasons, because of course a local authorityhas to give a reason for using those powers of intervention. They usually focus on standards, but sometimes they focus on a breakdown in governancearrangements, perhaps, or a failure or a breakdown in financial management. So, sometimes the budgetary issues trigger an intervention power. And the types ofinterventions that have been used have included, in some cases, appointing additional governors to governing bodies, or suspending a school's delegated budgetso the local authority takes on, then, financial control of that particular school, or sometimes applying to the Welsh Government to entirely replace a governingbody and establish an intervention board. So, if I can give you an example of where that's been used and has been successful, in Flintshire. They applied to WelshGovernment for two interim executive boards, in Sir Richard Gwyn Catholic High School and in Ysgol Trefonnen. They applied to us. Those governing bodies weredissolved. The IEBs were put in place and both of those schools, which had been in special measures, moved quite rapidly, actually, out of special measures.Perhaps the most recent example of this is one that the Chair will know very well in her own constituency of Torfaen, in Cwmbran High School, where Torfaen hasintervened in that case. The Welsh Government has not used those powers to date. My expectation always is that local authorities should be the first port of call,and I would encourage—and we always encourage—local authorities to take a proactive approach to intervention and to use those powers. But it's my belief thatit is they who are best placed initially to do that.Lynne Neagle AM: Thank you, Minister. Can I ask, then, about the national evaluation and improvement resourceand how significant a role that will play in the raising of school standards, and how you feel it's evolved since it was first conceived?Kirsty Williams AM: So, thisbrings us back to the principle of self-evaluation and something, if we're honest, we've not been very good at. If you look at a number of chief inspectors' reportsinto the Welsh education system, self-evaluation has always been identified as something that is missing or underdeveloped in our system to date, hence, then,the work to establish not a new approach, but a more robust approach to self-evaluation. We've done that in conjunction, again, with the OECD, middle tier andpractitioners. It's really important, throughout the entirety of our reform journey that that's done in co-construction, because we want this resource to be usablein schools. So, it's all very well having a conceptual idea and people outside the classroom working on it, but if it's of no practical use to a school leadership team,then we won't see the impact. So, it's—. We're in phase 2 at the moment, where we're doing—. So, the initial resource has been developed by the OECD, middletier and practitioners. We're in the testing phase at the moment and having it evaluated itself, with a view to introducing that resource across the system at thestart of the new academic year, in September 2020. I truly believe that, if we're to make progress in Welsh education, we have to develop the skills within oursystem to have robust self-evaluation. This resource gives us continuity of approach right the way across Wales. So, it's not left to an individual school to come upwith a system; it's right the way across the system. My hope would be that those principles could then be applied to local education authorities, to regional schoolimprovement services and Welsh Government as part of a whole-system approach to self-evaluation. I don't know if there's anything more you want to add,Steve.Steve Davies: Just to add that the other critical partners are Estyn themselves.Kirsty Williams AM: Oh, yes, sorry.Steve Davies: So, they have played acritical role and, as we know, as the Minister has said in the past, she may introduce policy and practice, but if Estyn are part of it then schools, usually, becausethey recognise that it will be part of the inspection process—it gives it greater push and support around it. So, they've been key players within it.Kirsty WilliamsAM: And I think, if I just say as well, that the external perception of what that's about is really important. It's not a test of school readiness for reform, it is agenuine attempt for a school to evaluate their strengths, their weaknesses and where they need to go next. It's not an Estyn checklist. And because of the word'toolkit'—the feedback was that it gave the impression of a checklist, 'Just do this and check list'. So, we're actually going to change the name of that resource.So, it'll be called the national evaluation and improvement resource, rather than the toolkit, because, as I said, the feedback was that 'toolkit' gave the impressionof a checklist exercise, and it's got to be about more than that if it's going to be meaningful. So, it'll be changed to an 'improvement resource'.Lynne Neagle AM:Okay. Before I bring Suzy in, can I just welcome Siân Gwenllian, who is joining us via video-conference in north Wales? Morning, Siân.Sian Gwenllian AM: Goodmorning. Can you hear me?Lynne Neagle AM: We can, yes. We can hear you very nicely, thank you.Sian Gwenllian AM: Okay. Thank you.Lynne Neagle AM: Suzy,you've got a supplementary.Suzy Davies AM: Yes. Only a very quick one. It's about the development of the—Kirsty Williams AM: The resource.Suzy Davies AM:Yes, the resource, thank you—about whether there were any conflicting ideas in the process of development that made it quite difficult to zone in on somethingthat school leadership teams, in particular, could rely on. Were there differences of opinion on what this should look like?Kirsty Williams AM: Not that I'm aware offrom the practitioners that I've spoken to who have been part of that. So, for instance, Suzy, you will know the very small school of Gladestry. The head ofGladestry has been involved in this process, and she said that she'd really enjoyed the process of working alongside Estyn and the OECD as a school leader to beable to shape it. But I'm not aware that there's been conflict in that process.Suzy Davies AM: I'm not suggesting that there has been; I'm just interested as tohow it had worked, that's all.Steve Davies: Chair, I think, inevitably, when you bring stakeholders together, they're not going to be in total agreement as to howit's going to work, and I think initially one of the challenges was having Estyn there as part of the facilitation group. There are always some concerns that,actually, it's coming from a to inspect, oral, judgmental tick box. So, we had some early day challenges where we had to convince—and, ultimately, Estynconvinced them—that they were there to help and support as opposed to to inspect, and that the model that was developed, as the Minister said, was not going tobe a tick box, 'You are good at this part of self-evaluation', it was to build the skillsets up.Suzy Davies AM: Okay. So, it's got their full confidence.Kirsty WilliamsAM: Yes, and I think again, also, what—. You know, four years into the job, what I've reflected on as well is there is this sometimes a feeling out there that theMinister says all the right stuff, but you're not actually going to do it, so, when you talk about a new approach to doing things, you're not actually serious about it.So, trying to build that confidence that we are serious about developing a new system around self-improvement, which is different fromaccountability—sometimes, the practitioners are like, 'Oh, yes, we've heard it all before but it never actually happens.' And I think that's been a part of theconstant—not pressure, but the responsibility on Welsh Government is in following through. So, we said that we were going to do this in the national mission, and"}
{"doc_id":"doc_179","qid":"","text":"User Interface: {gap}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} How do you wear this thing ?Project Manager: Hmm . Mm mm mm .{vocalsound}User Interface: Not too many cables and stuff .Marketing: {gap}User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound} Original . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Is recorded ? Okay ? Okay so welcome everyone . So we are here for the kickoffmeeting of uh the process of designing a new remote control . So I will first start with a warm welcome opening {vocalsound} stuff ,User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: then uh we will uh see what will be uh our product and what will be the different step we will have to design it . And uh then wewill uh discuss if we have few ideas and we will uh end uh by uh dispatching the different task you will be {disfmarker} you will have to fulfil to complete thisprocess . So {disfmarker}User Interface: Uh . Just one thing . Uh , you said twenty-five minutes , but I have something else to do uh , so gotta have anothermeeting uh soon ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: so maybe you could hurry up a bit {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} sorry ?UserInterface: It's true . I have another meeting so if you could uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: You have another meeting soon ?User Interface: Yeah .ProjectManager: So you have to be quick .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah , for the lawnmower project .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface:Okay .Project Manager: So the the goal is to have a remote control so to have an advantage over our competitors we have to be original , we have to be trendyand we have to also try to be user-friendly .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So uh the design step will be divided in three uh main points . First itwill be the functional design . Third is the conceptual design and then is the desired design . So the functional design is to identify the main user needs , thetechnical function the remote control should fulfil . And then we will move to f conceptual design where we'll specify the different component involved , what kindof user interf interface we want and what are the different uh trend in user interface and stuff like that .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Andthen the desired devi design will consist in uh specifically implementing {vocalsound} and detailing the choice we've uh made in the second point . So I will nowask you which is very important for the design of a new remote control for to uh each of us to to draw uh your favourite animal on the white board .UserInterface: {vocalsound} What an original idea .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Do you have any idea of which animal you want to show us ? {vocalsound}UserInterface: Orangutan .Project Manager: Okay {vocalsound} that's good .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Nono nProject Manager: {vocalsound} n n {gap}User Interface: Can I give you theProject Manager: You should {disfmarker}User Interface: {disfmarker} no ? ButI don't have to say anything . When I'm drawing the orangutan .Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} If you want to react uh about this wonderfuldrawing uh {vocalsound} I'll let you uh comment .User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}UserInterface: It's an abstract drawing of an orangutan .Project Manager: Okay it's an abstract drawing .User Interface: Yes .Project Manager: I think it's nice andoriginal . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} You should write y the name I think . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: I don't havea red colour . Usually orangutans have red hair so this is a very important but I don't have red pen , so {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay .User Interface:{vocalsound} Yes .Project Manager: You want to draw something Christine ? {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: Okay uh sorry . You have to imagine a little bit {vocalsound} um .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: This {disfmarker}ProjectManager: Of course your animal is recorded so it's not lost . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Sorry too {vocalsound} uh .User Interface: Yes . I know.Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Is this uh {disfmarker}User Interface: Wha what is this strange beast ?Marketing: Is it beautiful ? {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Is it a monster ?Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Do you know ? It's a cat .UserInterface: It's a cat ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Isn't it ? {vocalsound}User Interface: I thought these things did not exist.Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yes yesIndustrial Designer: Me {vocalsound}Marketing: is it {disfmarker} like that .User Interface: Ahyeah {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Ah yeah . Yeah .Marketing: Is it better ?Project Manager: Ah okay it's pretty . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Okay .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay it's your cat . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} It's my cat .User Interface: Does have a name ?Marketing:{vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: The name is Caramel .User Interface: Caramel . Ah-ha .Industrial Designer:Caramel .Marketing: Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . Olivier , do you want to {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} And you {vocalsound}{vocalsound} I think I'm too short for the cables . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay I go , but next time you'll dosomething I'm sure . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} I'm a bit short on cable .User Interface: Next time I concentrate .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Okay . So what could I draw ? {vocalsound} Maybe I can draw like a very simplified cow . {vocalsound} I don't know if it looks like a cow{vocalsound}User Interface: He looks like a bong .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Like a what ? {vocalsound}UserInterface: Okay . Sorry . No .Industrial Designer: Quite squarey .User Interface: Scary ?Project Manager: {gap} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: He also .{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I dunno it it looks more like a donkey in fact {vocalsound} I would say .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} I I think we will be finished this uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager:Okay so I hope that it helps you uh in the process of designing a remote control .User Interface: Is it for uh for putting a {disfmarker} for logos , no .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Okay .User Interface: {vocalsound} That's {disfmarker}Project Manager: Let's move on . So {disfmarker} Here the uh financial objectiveof our project . That is to say to to have a production cost lower than twelve point five Euros and have a selling price of twice that price t in order to target a profeprofit of uh fifty uh million Euros .User Interface: I is there a matter for a new remote control ?Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah if it's trendy , original I d fulfilthe user needs .User Interface: Is it uh a single device remote control or is it a multi-device remote control ?Project Manager: We have to discuss that point .UserInterface: AhProject Manager: On {disfmarker}User Interface: this is not defined at all ?Project Manager: yeah you you can suggest points like this . So whatwhat {disfmarker}User Interface: Ah , okay .Project Manager: so we have to decide for example if it can control one device or multiple . So what's {disfmarker}what are your ideas about that ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Maybe I can have the {disfmarker} your opinion from the marketing side ?UserInterface: Well uh do we sell other stuff ? Uh if if we bundle the remote control with something uh to sell then it could be a single device , otherwise it could beprogrammable one otherwise who would buy a remote control from us .Project Manager: Okay , so if it selled uh by its own i it it would rather be for multipledevice .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Do you agree ?Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Yeah . So maybe it should be formultiple devices . And uh do you have any ideas um of uh design ideas or any uh uh technical requirement we we should uh fulfil ?Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} I think we shouldn't have too many b for my part . I think {disfmarker}User Interface: No , I couldn I cannot fi think of any requirements right now. {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: If we don't have so many buttons could be nice .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Few buttons . Okay .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: And do you have it also to be {disfmarker} to be lighted in order to be used in the dark ? Might be a good idea .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: Okay . And do you have any um any uh idea of the trend {disfmarker} the trend in domain , what it shouldn't{disfmarker} it should look like , or things like that ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Something which is not squarey maybe uh , not a box .User Interface: Mm.Project Manager: With rou okay . Like for {disfmarker} okay .User Interface: Something like that , least fits in your hand .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface:{vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: The basic requirement .Project Manager: So . Fit in your hand , yeah .User Interface:{vocalsound} Only a buck .Project Manager: And also it have , i it may be {vocalsound} it may be important for the remote control to be uh {disfmarker} To , toresist to various shocks that can happen if it fall .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Waterproof . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Water-proof as well .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} And I think we should have a device {disfmarker}Project Manager: Maybe it isoriginal because you can uh use it in your uh {disfmarker} in your bath whereas the others can't .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Maybe water-proof would be very original .Industrial Designer: Sorry . {gap}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Havin having a water-proofremote control so that the people can uh use it in their bath .User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: That could be uh {disfmarker}User Interface: B it seems uh so, but uh if you don't have an waterproof remote control it means you can just cover it with some plastic and you can sort of fProject Manager: Yeah but , it is stillsomething uh you have to buy and that is um not maybe very {disfmarker}User Interface: And , and that's one of the {disfmarker} that's one of the shock{disfmarker} I mean there are people that have a remote control and they are worried that it's going to break and they put some extra plastic around it .ProjectManager: Yeah , mayb BUser Interface: That's people {gap} they actually do it themselves .Project Manager: But maybe we can bulk it with uh already this"}
{"doc_id":"doc_180","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Uh , making a profit of fifty million Euros . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Alright so twenty five .User Interface: Mm 'kay .Project Manager:So , it's go gonna have to be be pretty damn trendy . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So yeah , I've {disfmarker} The only the only remote controls I've usedusually come with the television , and they're fairly basic .Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: So uh {disfmarker}{vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah , I was thinking that as well , I think the the only ones that I've seen that you buy are the sort of one for all type thingswhere they're ,User Interface: Yeah the universal ones . Yeah .Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: yeah . So presumably that might be an idea to put into.Industrial Designer: But but to sell it for twenty five you need a lot of neat features . For sure .Marketing: Slim .Project Manager: Yeah , yeah .User Interface:Yeah .Project Manager: Uh 'cause I mean , what {disfmarker} uh twenty five Euros , that's about I dunno , fifteen Pounds or so ? And that's quite a lot for aremote control .User Interface: Mm-hmm , it's about that .Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah .User Interface: Mm .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Um wellmy first thoughts would be most remote controls are grey or black . As you said they come with the T_V_ so it's normally just your basic grey black remotecontrol {gap} functions ,Project Manager: Uh-huh .User Interface: so maybe we could think about colour ?Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Make{disfmarker} that might make it a bit different from the rest at least . Um , and as you say , we need to have some kind of gimmick , so um I thought maybesomething like if you lose it and you can whistle ,Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound} The the keyrings , yeah yeah .User Interface: you know those things ?Because we always lose our remote control .Industrial Designer: Right .Marketing: {vocalsound} Uh yeah uh ,Project Manager: Okay , that's cool .Marketing:being as a Marketing Exper Expert I will like to say like before deciding the cost of this remote control or any other things we must see the market potential forthis product like what is the competition in the market ? What are the available prices of the other remote controls in the prices ?Project Manager: {gap} Okay.Marketing: What speciality other remote controls are having and how complicated it is to use these remote controls as compared to other remote controlsavailable in the market . So before deciding or before finalising this project , we must discuss all these things , like {disfmarker}User Interface: Okay .Marketing:and apart from this , it should be having a good look also , because people really li uh like to play with it when they are watching movies or playing with {gap} orplaying with their C_D_ player , M_P_ three player like any electronic devices .User Interface: Mm . Mm-hmm .Marketing: They really want to have somethinggood , having a good design in their hands ,Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: Mm-hmm . Yeah .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: so , yes ,ProjectManager: 'Kay .Marketing: all this .Industrial Designer: Uh , what do we think a {disfmarker}Project Manager: So , we're looking for {disfmarker} {gap} 'Kay.Industrial Designer: What do we think a good size would be for this ? {gap}Project Manager: We're {disfmarker}Marketing: {gap}Industrial Designer: 'Cause I Iknow as you add more buttons to the remote it sometimes gets so big and clunkyProject Manager: Sorry , carry on . {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and there's just like a hundred buttons on it ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: or youcould have a really small slim one but then you could lose it easily . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Yeah . Then you lose it , yeah .{vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Kind of um , maybe more like a P_D_A_ kind of , just hand held , like ,Project Manager: For for uhUserInterface: 'cause {disfmarker}Project Manager: remember we're trying to make it for twelve Euros fifty . {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah . No , I wasn't , nosorry I wasn't thinking of the screen of like a P_D_A_Project Manager: Okay well right we'll have to um {disfmarker} I'll {disfmarker}User Interface: butProjectManager: we're k having another meeting in half an hour so umUser Interface: Okay .Project Manager: we should all look into a bit uh , oh actually , no , we'llallocate . So you do the looking around at other remote controls .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Um , if you could maybe come up with sort of shapes andsuggested shades or whatever , and you could look into um {vocalsound} basically how how it's made I_E_ like how you make it all in one , how {disfmarker}what sort of materials are available to you whatever . And obviously , other instructions will come from the personal coach .Industrial Designer: Right .ProjectManager: Which will probably just usurp what I said so {disfmarker}User Interface: So you want me to look at shapes and everything you said ?Project Manager:Shapes and colours and {disfmarker} um basically how to make it attractive .User Interface: Yep . Okay .Project Manager: Uh .User Interface: Mm-hmm.Marketing: {gap}Project Manager: And you look at competition and design .Marketing: Yep .Project Manager: Cool . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} Okay .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: {gap}Project Manager: SoIndustrial Designer: {gap}Project Manager: we have uh {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: Wait for emails ?Marketing: Uh .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay , groovy . And no doubt we'llget um {disfmarker}User Interface: Oh no , {gap} .Project Manager: Sorry .User Interface: SorryProject Manager: We'll get um warnings for next meetings aswell .User Interface: it's okay . Okay , cool .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . I shall {disfmarker} I can't imagine these {gap} are worth much .{vocalsound}Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: Okay . Fashion into electronic . Okay ."}
{"doc_id":"doc_181","qid":"","text":"The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota (NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)): I call this meeting to order.  Welcome to the 23rd meeting of the House of Commons SpecialCommittee on the COVID-19 Pandemic.  A reminder to all members that in order to avoid issues with sound, members participating in person should not also beconnected to the video conference. For those of you who are joining via video conference, I will remind you that when speaking you should be on the samechannel as the language you are speaking, and please use your headsets. As usual, please direct your remarks through the chair. As I understand, there are noministerial announcements today.  We will now proceed to presenting petitions. I remind members that any petition presented during a meeting of this specialcommittee must have already been certified by the clerk of petitions. For members participating in person, I ask that they please come and drop their signedcertificates off at the table once the petition is presented. I would ask members to be very brief and concise, and to summarize the exact content of the petition.We will continue. The first person presenting a petition today is Ms. May.Ms. Elizabeth May (SaanichGulf Islands, GP): Thank you, Mr. Chair. I present twopetitions this morning. The residents of SaanichGulf Islands are calling on the government to simplify the process for protection of marine protected areas. It's amulti-layered communication process. The marine protected area first proposed in the 1970s for the southern Strait of Georgia, now called the Salish Sea, hasbeen awaiting designation for so long that it was originally endorsed by Jacques Cousteau. That gives us a sense for why petitioners are calling for a simplifiedand more rapid process. The second petition is from petitioners who are very concerned about our obligations under the United Nations Declaration on the Rightsof Indigenous Peoples and our commitments under the Truth and Reconciliation Commission calls to action. They specifically reference the RCMP violation ofUNDRIP in its actions on Wet'suwet'en territory and ask the government to commit to actually living the principles embodied in UNDRIP.The Chair: We will now goto Mr. Hardie.Mr. Ken Hardie (FleetwoodPort Kells, Lib.): Thank you, Mr. Chair. I am presenting a petition on behalf of the one in a million Canadians who suffersevere and adverse effects from vaccinations. GuillainBarre syndrome is very debilitating, and this petition seeks the setting up of a no-fault accident orcompensation system to help offset the loss of work, the loss of wages and the loss of quality of life that many of these people suffer. I'm pleased to present thispetition pursuant to Standing Order 36.The Chair: Mr.Trudel, you have the floor.Mr. Denis Trudel (LongueuilSaint-Hubert, BQ): Mr.Chair, culture is the soul of apeople. Over the past 20years or so, culture, especially music, has never been as accessible as it is now. Paradoxically, creators' incomes have never been so low.The advent of digital technology has completely overturned the system for distributing the wealth generated by creators for the benefit of various Webstakeholders, many of whom are billionaires. This petition addresses these problems and proposes realistic solutions. The first is to set a minimum royalty modelfor streaming platforms for artists. The second is to update the existing private copying system. The third is for Internet and cell phone providers who sell theirservices as direct access to culture to share their profits with artists. The fourth is that the GAFAMs have to pay taxes on their services. Six thousand people havealready signed the first version of this petition, launched last month by musician JordanOfficer and supported by singer BarbaraSecours. As an artist, I am proudto present this petition today because the issues it raises are fundamental to the survival of Quebec culture.The Chair: We'll now continue with Mr. Genuis.Mr.Garnett Genuis (Sherwood ParkFort Saskatchewan, CPC): Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. I have four petitions to present today. I will be as brief as yousuggested, although I will observe that if some members are going on longer during petitions than they normally do, it might be because the government hastaken away so many of the tools that opposition members normally have for raising important issues in the House. The first petition deals with the issue ofeuthanasia and long-term care. The petitioners are concerned that instead of focusing on improving medically assisted life, something that we know is a majorissue in light of recent revelations, the government has put so much time and legislative energy into efforts to continually further expand euthanasia in Canadaand remove vital safeguards. The second petition speaks to the ongoing conversations happening in Canada around systemic discrimination and systemic racism.I think we do need to reflect on systemic discrimination. This petition deals specifically with Bill 21 in Quebec and raises concerns. The reality of the way that billapplies is that people from certain backgrounds who wish to practise their faith are not able to fully participate in Canadian society if they are employed in thepublic service. This petition asks the government to provide a response on that issue, something it hasn't done in response to past petitions on this. The thirdpetition deals with the issue of firearms. The petitioners want to see the government take a strong response in dealing with illegal guns and gun smuggling. Thepetition notes that the vast majority of firearms-related crimes in Canada involves illegal guns. At the same time, the petitioners are concerned that thegovernment has the wrong focusthat is, harassing law-abiding firearms ownerswithout putting in place substantial measures to deal with illegal guns. Thepetitioners want to see the reversal of the order in council from May 1 and strong measures to deal with illegal firearms. The fourth and final petition deals withBill S-204, a bill that would make it a criminal offence for a Canadian to go abroad and receive an organ from a person who has not consented to giving thatorgan. It would also create a mechanism by which someone could be deemed inadmissible to Canada if they were involved in organ harvesting and trafficking.The petitioners are supportive of Bill S-204 and of similar bills in previous parliaments and would like to see us pass that bill as soon as possible.The Chair:Presenting petitions, Mr. Lamoureux.Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Winnipeg North, Lib.): Thank you, Mr. Chair. It is with pleasure that I table another petition by theresidents of Winnipeg North. These residents have signed a petition asking the Government of Canada, and in fact all members of Parliament, to put a highpriority on assisting our poorest seniors. The increases to the GIS by $200, and $300 to the OAS, have been well received. They just want to highlight howimportant it is to support our seniors, in particular the poorest of our seniors.The Chair: For members present in the Chamber, a reminder that they are asked tobring their petitions to the table. We'll now proceed to statements by members. We'll go to Ms. Atwin for the first one.Mrs. Jenica Atwin (Fredericton, GP): Thankyou, Mr. Chair. June 21 is National Indigenous Peoples Day, a day of acknowledgement and a day of celebration of the beautiful diversity of indigenous peoplesacross Turtle Island. I wish to recognize the leadership of Chief Shelley Sabattis of the Welamukotuk First Nation in Oromocto, New Brunswick. Each year she andher council, volunteers and staff go above and beyond to show appreciation for their members and to demonstrate pride and culture while promoting well-being.We gather in an event where all are welcome to take part, from traditional hand drum-making with elders to moose meat and tacos. This year we will celebrate abit differently, but we will still stay connected, virtually and in spirit, to the vast network of indigenous peoples and allies. We need each other now more thanever. May we come together in song and stories and in solidarity. We will remember those who are not among us. I hope all of Canada will join us in observingNational Indigenous Peoples Day.  Mawiyapasuwok: let us come together. Nit liech.The Chair: We'll now go to Mr. Beech.Mr. Terry Beech (BurnabyNorthSeymour, Lib.): Mr. Chair, COVID-19 is an unprecedented challenge for all communities across Canada, but as we do our part to flatten the curve, I oftenthink about those who suit up every morning to serve on the front lines of our health care system. My mother is a home care worker and my sister is a nurse.Even before the crisis, they would often share the hardships they faced on a day-to-day basis. It's a tough job at the best of times. In a pandemic, these jobs arelife-threatening. I think we can all agree that these workers deserve more than our good wishes. They deserve a raise. That is why we have worked with theprovinces to implement pandemic pay. In British Columbia more than 250,000 front-line workers are eligible for this program. That works out to a pay increase ofabout $4 an hour. It's a small show of our appreciation for their difficult and priceless contribution to our country. Share this message and say thanks to ourfront-line workers, participate in the 7 p.m. cheer, and order a pizza for your local nurses. It's the least we can do.The Chair: We'll now go on to Mr. Shipley.Mr.Doug Shipley (BarrieSpringwaterOro-Medonte, CPC): Thank you, Mr. Chair. We've been living in difficult times. Slowly, we are getting back to some resemblanceof normalcy, although unfortunately not soon enough for some of our great summer festivals. It will not be normal in BarrieSpringwaterOro-Medonte this summerwithout the iconic Boots and Hearts weekend music festival, Kempenfest, Oro World's Fair, the Elmvale Fall Fair, or the Midhurst Autumnfest. Canada Daycelebrations have been cancelled, but we can still celebrate the great nation we call home. Because of the lack of Canada Day celebrations, I've created HappyCanada Day lawn signs that are available through my constituency office, free to all residents of BarrieSpringwaterOro-Medonte. I'm also hosting a drive-throughparty on Canada Day at the Royal Canadian Legion on St. Vincent Street in Barrie. All are welcome to attend. There will be cupcakes for all. Please drop by thelegion between 11 a.m. and 2 p.m., and we can celebrate Canada Day safely together. Thank you and have a great summer.The Chair: Now we'll go on to Ms.Young.Ms. Kate Young (London West, Lib.): Thank you, Mr. Chair. Among the countless ordinary Canadians who have stepped up to do extraordinary work duringCOVID-19, I wish to draw attention to our teachers. Teachers have always had a special place in my heart. My father was a teacher, and my daughter-in-law,Kelly Webb, is one now. I'm certain that my colleagues can all easily remember a teacher in their past who played an important role in helping them achieve theirpotential. I remember my grade 12 English teacher, Vince Weaver, at Westminster Secondary School in London. He made me realize that I could do so muchmore than I believed. Across the country, as schools closed, teachers did not stop their work. Some took their classes online. Others found innovative ways tocontinue engaging with their students. This is not the school year anyone imagined, and what the next one will look like is unclear, but our teachers in London"}
{"doc_id":"doc_182","qid":"","text":"Marketing: Great man . Who starts ?Project Manager: Well I'll uh start just with another presentation , so then we can uh look at th at the agenda uh for thismeeting .Marketing: Alright , great . Alright .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . I've put some uh new things in the in the map .Marketing: Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: Uh oh . {vocalsound} This is it . I don't know the shortcut , so {disfmarker} Ah F_ five . Well our functional design meeting , that's the stage we're in.Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: And you also ha all three of you have uh prepared something about it .Marketing: Yes .Project Manager: Well um inwe'll uh just have a look at the at the notes from the previous meeting , what we uh thought we had dec decided . But uh {disfmarker} Uh then we'll uh look atuh the three uh presentations uh from you . I think you have prepared uh all three uh ? {vocalsound}Marketing: 'Kay .Industrial Designer: Well , yeah.Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Um we'll look at th the new project requirements we uh {disfmarker} I dunno . Y you also have uh received that mail , thenew project requirements from our bosses ?Industrial Designer: No . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oh I've received a mail with uh some additional requirements,Marketing: No . You're the only one . {vocalsound}Project Manager: and I'll have a look if {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Oh .Marketing: Alright .ProjectManager: Well I think we should show them before your presentations , because it's not really uh smart uh to uh to include some things uh we can't , because ofthe new requirements . Well um then we can make some decisions about our remote control functions .Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: We have to deb wehave to decide it in this meeting what our function will be . And then uh we can discuss uh some more closely . Uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: We haveforty minutes for this uh discussion ?Project Manager: Uh yeah , I think so . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Alright .Project Manager: Well uh {gap} the closinguh we'll not uh look at it yet .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Alright .Project Manager: Um {vocalsound} now I'll look at {gap} show {gap} this board .Um {disfmarker} Well uh notes , first meeting . Now . I gave a disc a a presentation . Uh we familiarised ourself with the boards and then we discussed some firstideas . So we said that uh we have to merge the strong points from our uh competitors , and uh look at their uh remote controls .Marketing: Right .ProjectManager: We should make it uh compatible with our new D_V_D_ and other releases we have , our technical releases .Industrial Designer: Huh ?ProjectManager: Uh not too many one buttons . One recognisable button in the middle , where you do the most important functions with . And um well they can havetwo functions , because uh you have a D_V_D_ and a television .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: Um the design has to fit the hand , beoriginal , but also be familiar . {vocalsound} It's uh one of our ideas .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} Yeah well that wa It's just thirty minutes ago ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: so it's not quite uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Butwell I have to do it .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm , now it's right .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: The materials uh well should be hard plasticwith rubber from {gap} , and uh well the labelling of the buttons should be indestructible . It should be uh recognisable at all times .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: It's meant to be easily wiped out , yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yes .User Interface: Mm .Marketing: Okay .ProjectManager: Well fronts were to be {gap} just like mobile telephones . And uh the technical aspects um {disfmarker} And also labelling of the buttons , thefunctions should be universal standards . Well that's just uh some ideas from the first meeting . It's quite logical al all of it .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: Um now the new project requirements , I'll just show them . I got this mail from uh our bosses . Well , teletext goes out . We will not use teletext .UserInterface: Oh .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Maybe a new sort of thing , but n but not teletext .Industrial Designer: I I disagree , but uh it's not uh t it's notmy place to disagree I guess .Project Manager: Well {disfmarker} the second is a bit sh pity because we just said we wanted to d include the D_V_D_UserInterface: Oh .Project Manager: and they don't want it , because of our time we have for this project .Marketing: Alright .Industrial Designer: Oh , alright .UserInterface: Oh , that's a shame .Project Manager: So that's a shame , because uh especially for the third requirement we want to reach people under the thirtyyears . Because uh we don't have those customers a lot at th at this point . Um well it's a bit pity because it's just those people want to have uh one remotecontrol for all those technical devices they can uh reach it .Marketing: Yeah . But let's forget about it . It's just time-consuming ,Project Manager: Yeah.Marketing: so we uh have to go on .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well and uh our corporate image should stay rec recognisable in our products. So uh we have to uh use uh maybe a slogan , maybe a colour , and um {disfmarker} Yeah well uh on our remote controls the design has to be uh , well as wealready said a actually , uh familiar . Uh not only just uh the shape but also our company .Marketing: Yes .Industrial Designer: Yeah , we are a {vocalsound} realfashionable company . I read uh I read it on the {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah . {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: Yeah . {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: I didn't know what company we were ,Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: but we we design uh especially trendy uh trendy trendy stuff .Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah . Okay .Industrial Designer: So it has to be uh a modern design . That's important to know , uh when youdesign a thing of course .Project Manager: Yes . I I uh noted uh our uh slogan that we have , our company . It's uh we mm put the fashion in electronics.Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: So maybe that's a slogan we can put uh somewhere on our remote control or something .Marketing: Right .UserInterface: Yeah .Project Manager: Alright then um we're going to uh have three presentations .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: You want to start ?IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah . {vocalsound} I think I have to start .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh you have to start ? I didn't see anything aboutuh who had to start .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} The order ? No . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Oh no , no problem .Project Manager: Well s thenstart .User Interface: Mm .Marketing: I I just have to uh to think which file's mine ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: 'cause I was uh bit in a hurry .ProjectManager: Okay . Well uh {disfmarker}Marketing: I think it's this one . But I'm not sure . {gap}Project Manager: {gap} You already uh opened uh PowerPoint.Marketing: Hmm ? Yeah . S Right .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yes . This is it .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Well , I'm going to tell yousomething about functional requirements .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Um to start with these points . Uh next sheet ? Um at first I tell you somethingabout what people dislike about the current uh controls , because it's uh a smart thing to exclude those things . Uh , furthermore it's very important what they dolike and what they do use . {vocalsound} Um then I tell something about um the most important issues . So we have to focus on those three thing three things .And in the end I'll um show you our target {vocalsound} audience or our target product users , customers . Well , {vocalsound} um the first findings are thatpeople um think most controls are very kind of ug ugly .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: That's seventy five per cent of the current users . They don'tlike it , so we might think about fronts in that section . Um {disfmarker} They also say , that's about uh I thought it was fifty per cent , uh that more money willbe spent on uh better looking controls . So it's very important that you design a a nice looking control . {vocalsound} Um the current user uses his machine justabout well all of the time for a few functions . Uh , almost every user uses it d the the control for just ten per cent of its capacity . So it's really important to makethe the buttons for the common uh tasks kind of big or kind of uh flashy . Furthermore , it's uh {vocalsound} seventy five per cent of the users uh zaps a lot .Thus it might be uh might be smart to make a a big uh zapping button or something in the middle , so you can reach it with your thumb .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} You can zap away . Yeah . {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah , yeah right .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Right . A lot of losers um users lose theircontrols in their {vocalsound} in their living room .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: So it might be sensible to makesome kind of a button on your television , that's your um your control beeps or something , that you can find this very easily .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Well{disfmarker} {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: I dunno , maybe that's an idea .Industrial Designer: Oh .Marketing: 'Cause it's uh a big {disfmarker}I think fifty per cent of the users loses his its control , within the same room .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Oh ?Project Manager: It should actually uh{disfmarker} It should actually be loose from the television ,User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: because it can also be used for othertelevisions . So if you deliver a small uh click-on device that you can put on your television , that bleeps to your remote control , everyone can use it .Marketing:Yeah but what if you lose your click-on device ?Project Manager: No you can click it on your television .Marketing: Yeah but if someone d somebody else uses it inano other room or something ?Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah in another room , yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Well yes.Marketing: Nee but it it specifically says it's uh the the control is lost in the same room .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer:Mm-hmm .Marketing: So {disfmarker} Well a beeping device would be {disfmarker}Project Manager: Well we'll have a look at it , yeah .Marketing: Uhfurthermore the learning time is a problem . Uh thirty four thirty four per cent um thinks it's it's too uh too difficult to learn . So the the learning curve should bevery short uh for the dumbest people should be able to use it .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I think our uh user uh expert should also considermanual a manual for the remote , of course . Uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah but people don't read manuals .Industrial Designer: I didn't read it ?UserInterface: No .Industrial Designer: Oh , alright .Marketing: No .Industrial Designer: {gap} users to uh add one ? Do you think ?User Interface: I don't think{disfmarker}Marketing: I think you should put more time in the in the design of uh pick up and use , than a manual .User Interface: Yeah . Yes you should"}
{"doc_id":"doc_183","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: So uh good morning .User Interface: Morning .Marketing: Morning .Project Manager: I see you all find your places .Industrial Designer: Morning.Project Manager: Is everybody sitting on the right place ? Yeah ?Marketing: Yep .Project Manager: I guess so . So {disfmarker} Let's see . First I will introducemyself . I don't know if uh {disfmarker} if everybody knows me , so I'm Bart ,Marketing: My name's Frank .Project Manager: hello . Hello .User Interface: I'm{gap} .Project Manager: Bart . Hello . Hello . Bart .Industrial Designer: {gap}Project Manager: Welcome .Marketing: Thank you .Project Manager: Uh let's see .Uh let's start off um with a little presentation . Uh Now first I'll tell you a little bit about the setting . You can see there are a few cameras here . They'll record uhour actions and you'll have wires and microphones that will record your voice . Uh there are also some microphones there but th um you don't have to pay a lot ofattention on those , because it will uh disappear when you don't attend to it . So is there a project documents folder ? There are some notes in it already I see ,some documents . Uh I'll start with the presentation kick off . Is being modified by the administrator . Uh okay {vocalsound} .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Hmm , that's interesting .Project Manager: Let's do it read only . Well I don't know if you've noticed , but uh we're workingfor Real Reaction . Uh it's a company in uh electronics . We put fashion in electronics , uh we make it work , uh we put a lot of effort in design and in the productitself . I'm Bart {gap} the project manager so I'll direct you through the project . This is our agenda . {vocalsound} Uh we have our opening acquaintance , tooltraining , project plan description closing .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh maybe I can sit down , then I can take some notes or {disfmarker} Let'ssee . Maybe you can take the minutes once in a while .Marketing: Sure .Project Manager: I dunno it's not a lot of work , but just uh if you hear something uh youcan write down , just write it down . Uh as you can see uh it's the opening , aquaintance tool training . Aquaintance is a point we've done a bit . Um have you allseen the corporate website already ? Yeah .User Interface: Yep .Marketing: Yep . Visit it .Project Manager: Have you seen any flaws in it ? I think I found one .{vocalsound} No ?User Interface: Hmm ?Marketing: Can't say I paid much attention to it ,Project Manager: I can see if it works this way . No , it doesn't workhere .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay no problem . But um on the corporate information side there's a thuh {disfmarker} there was Real Remote instead of Real Reaction .Marketing: Oh yeah .Project Manager: Real Remote is not really the company we're{disfmarker} we are , but it's just a little {gap} fault .User Interface: Okay . Yeah .Project Manager: Um okay , what are we going to do ? {vocalsound} Uh ourproject aim is as you can see a new remote control . It has to be original , trendy , and user friendly . So these are uh the points why uh we also hired you .{vocalsound} We've got the Marketing Expert for uh the trendy and user friendly look .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: And Industrial Designer uh there's alsouser friendly and a bit original . {vocalsound} And we've got our User Interface Designer .User Interface: Yep .Project Manager: He's also uh {disfmarker} That'sabout the new remote control . Uh project method um is uh there are three phases we are going through . First is functional des uh design , individual work ,meetings . After the functional design , then the conceptual design and the detailed design . {vocalsound} I had some role indications on here . But I think youknow it already by yourself . The Industrial Designer is going to work on the working design , uh components design and a bit of the look and feel design . Uh theUser Interface Designer is going to do the technical function design , user interface concept and user interface design . {vocalsound} And the marketing expert isdoing a little bit of user requirement specification , trend watching and project {disfmarker} uh product ev evaluation . So that's a bit what you're going to do .But that will be all worked out in uh other meetings .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Then we've got our first tool training . {vocalsound} We are goingto work with a lot of high-tech tools here , so it's ab it's handy if we have a little bit of training first . As you can see we've got the smart boards here and here inthe white board . Um in the white board here there's a little tool bar on this side . Here are some functions . You can save . N uh these functions we don't haveanything to do with , only undo , you can undo a little uh piece of drawing . A blank new document for each person . Uh select a pen , eraser . Capture we don'thave to do anything with . Uh then we've got our pen . This pen . It's really funny because you can draw with it on this page um in the {disfmarker} think it isform of .Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: You can also select the current colour and the line width . But then first you have to select the pen function .UserInterface: Hmm .Project Manager: But we're going to work with it in a minute . So okay . Uh that's very simple and it's easy to uh draw your findings anddrawings on there . {vocalsound} Uh then a short thing about documents . We've got our shared folder , project {gap} project {disfmarker} what was it ? Projectdocuments {gap} I think . But all you will found that already because there are a lot of documents in it already , so it will be okay . And these are available on thesmart boards as well , so if you have a document you wanna show , just open it from the folder .User Interface: Okay . Yeah .Project Manager: Here is a simpletool bar . It's what I just said , it's save , print , move back or forward one page . You can switch between the different drawings . And then we're going to try outthe white board .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} So as you can see we g all {vocalsound} going to draw a animal .{vocalsound} Just to uh uh just to get a bit familiar with it .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Mouse wasn't runningaway . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: That was interesting .Project Manager: Is everybody {disfmarker} isanybody playing with the mouse ? No .Marketing: {vocalsound} Innocent .Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager:We're going to uh draw animal . {vocalsound} And uh just sum up a few of its favourite characteristics .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um the onlything we have to uh look after is that we use different colours , and different line width .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh there's{disfmarker} I can start from now . I will . You can use this pen by holding it like a like a little child . Because if you hold it like this , the sensors will get blockedand then the drawing won't get good .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: Another thing is you have to be uh a bit slow . 'Cause if you'regoing to draw like really fast then um the pen won't hold up . So we choose form of current colour uh I think grey is appropriate . Then the line width . I thinkseven will be nice . Now you'll see my drawing capabilities .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: These are not very much , but uh {disfmarker} Uh ,see you have to do it real slow . {vocalsound} Oh {gap}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}User Interface: Sure .Project Manager: Ah I was trying to draw a dolphin ,User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: but I thinkhis nose has to be a little bit {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: But it's close .Marketing: I'm thinking about aswordfish .Project Manager: So what {disfmarker} yeah it's {disfmarker} this is bit of the swordfish .User Interface: Yeah . Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Yeah , he hasn't got an eye .User Interface: {gap} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Woah . {vocalsound}Now we've got another function . We've got the eraser .Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} .Project Manager: {vocalsound} And then you can undo thiseasily .Marketing: Meat .Project Manager: Ah it's okay .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: And I've got to write down a few of its characteristics . Uhis {disfmarker} They've got no text tool , no . Uh . {vocalsound} Okay .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: This is typically aundo action , I think . {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Pen . Maybe you have to hold it a bit upside-down . I think that's it becauseif you wan ar are going to do it like this then it will be a stripe . But I don't know , I'm just trying . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} This is not my work ,IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: okay .Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: Maybe you have to use {disfmarker} Oh .Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh . I think it's a {disfmarker} it wants to draw a {disfmarker} another animal ? I don't know . It lives for the fun . So{disfmarker} It's my characteristic uh characteristic about the dolphin . It lives for the fun . So now I'm gonna hand over the pen on the new blank sheet to you.User Interface: Okay .Marketing: Okay . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Go ahead .Marketing: Thank you . Okay . Gonna use adifferent line width . And I'm gonna draw in black . There . 'Kay , I'm not much of an artist , but here we go .Project Manager: Maybe it's easier to draw thesmaller line width , I think . Because this is going a lot better than uh I did .User Interface: Hmm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: A sheep.Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: This ismy um {disfmarker} Hmm . Sheep .Project Manager: It's nice . {vocalsound}Marketing: With of courseProject Manager: {vocalsound} Uh .Marketing: little bluedot they always get sprayed on their butts .Project Manager: {vocalsound} It's a real dead sheep ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: There .ProjectManager: yeah . {vocalsound} For recognition ,Marketing: Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: yeah , I see . {vocalsound} Um maybe you can also write yourname somewhere .Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: On just a {disfmarker}Marketing: They are {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Comeon . You have to go really slow when you're writing .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: They're brilliant animal animals .User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: And that's just a little me thingy . So . Guess I'll pass the pen to our User Interface Designer .Project Manager:Nice .User Interface: Okay . Um I'm just gonna draw its uh head , but mm {disfmarker} Let's see . Mm . Uh . {gap} Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} Sweet . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Interesting .User Interface: You know what"}
{"doc_id":"doc_184","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . Good afternoon again .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: So weshould have our final meeting about the detail designed of {disfmarker} detail design of the product of the remote control . Um {vocalsound} So here is theagenda for today . Uh uh just going to go quickly through the minutes of the last last uh meeting then we have a p presentation of prototype of you two , soundsinteresting . And we'll have um {vocalsound} presentation of evaluation crit criteria by ou our Marketing Experts . Then we'll have to go through financeevaluation of the of the cost of the thing and um hopefully uh we should fit the target o tw of twelve point five uh uh Euro . {vocalsound} Okay . So let's go . Uh ifI go quickly through the minutes of the last meeting . {vocalsound} So we went through th uh w we took this following decisions . No L_C_D_ , no speechrecognition technology , okay , we went through a b to a banana look and feel for the remote control . We went through the use of wheels and but buttons .{vocalsound} And also the use of a basis station for battery ch charging and uh also to um call the to call the mot mote remote control when it is lost . Okay . Um. Good . So guys let {gap} this uh wonderful thing .Industrial Designer: Okay so we can go to the slides .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh yeah . Sorry . Um.Industrial Designer: Yeah . Number three . Oh number two sorry .Project Manager: Which is {gap} {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: So final design . Finaldesign . Okay so Michael you can go ahead .User Interface: Yeah so uh following our decision to uh make a yellow {disfmarker} well to make a bananaProjectManager: Yeah can you show it to the the camera maybe .User Interface: remote {disfmarker} okay so we actually have a {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Youcan pull it out first , maybe .User Interface: We've {disfmarker} well first first of all we made a an attractive {vocalsound} base station uh with a banana leaf uhlook and feel um and uhProject Manager: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}User Interface: bana sit {disfmarker} the banana sits in there k you know nicely weighted sothat it's not gonna tip over and um this is the remote itself , it's kind of it's it's ergonomic , it fits in the hand uh rather well . We've got the two uh {vocalsound}uh scroll wheels here which you know one on the the left for the uh volume and the one on the right for for the channel and uh underneath {vocalsound} we havethe uh the turbo button which is in like a nice uh trigger position for you know for pressing quite naturally .Project Manager: What's the use uh of the t turbobutton already ?User Interface: This is when you when you uh are scrolling the uh {disfmarker} through the channels you can tell it to to skip th past channelsthat you {disfmarker} quickly rather thProject Manager: Ah yeah yeah an then you stop when you stop it stops .User Interface: Yeah . Well when you stopscrolling the wheel it stops . But normally with uh {disfmarker} it will just uh s stay on each station briefly so you can see the the picture .Industrial Designer: Uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: Uh-huh .Industrial Designer: And we we do have one more functionality . If you take the banana as such and uh you press theturbo button , so it switch ons the switch ons the T_V_ .User Interface: The T_V_ yeah .Project Manager: Which one ?User Interface: The s the turbo button.Industrial Designer: The turbo button .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: So rather than having uh an extra button for um for the on off switch you just usethe turbo button .Industrial Designer: Additional button .Marketing: What this button for ?User Interface: This is a teletext button . So once you press that thenyou get teletextMarketing: Okay .User Interface: and you can use the the channel selector scroll wheel as uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: To navigate itthrough th through teletext .User Interface: To navigate yeah .Marketing: But if you want to go to page seven hundred ?Industrial Designer: That's right , that'sright .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: {gap} with the wheel it's easy .Marketing: How manUser Interface: Well then you can you you have like a little uhnumber selection thing , you press the {gap} the the teletext button uh to move between uh the fields and then you can just scroll the number back and forth soyou have s you go {disfmarker} you scroll to seven and then zero zero and then you can uh {disfmarker}Marketing: I don't understand it . Can you repeat it ?{vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Well you can you can press press the teletext buttonIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: and then youthen you can you can fIndustrial Designer: So then then both the scroll buttons they are for teletext browsing .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: And you canteleMarketing: Ah okay okay . Okay . Okay okay .Industrial Designer: yeah ,User Interface: Mm uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: once you press the teletextbutton then the scroll buttons they are more for teletext , they are no more for channel or vol volume .Marketing: Okay . I see . I see . Okay . Okay .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound} And this is the uh the infrared uh port .Industrial Designer: That's right .User Interface: Also the top of the banana.Project Manager: Excellent .User Interface: So . And then we haveIndustrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: in the uh in the base station we have the the buttonat the front for uh for calling the uh the banana .Project Manager: Calling . Excellent .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: And the the leaves plays theroles of of antennas ?User Interface: Actually they do .Project Manager: Oh .User Interface: That's that's yeah that's uh that's form and function in the one in theone uh object .Industrial Designer: Yeah . So it always means , whatever the rays goes by they they get reflected and then you are having a better coverage.User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: It's like antennas .User Interface: Yeah . So .Marketing: {gap}User Interface: But yeah that's um that's justlike {disfmarker} that's an attractive um base station .Project Manager: Great . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} So .Project Manager: So , what else?User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: And for the power source we are having solar cells and rechargeable batteries and this and uh the basis station isgoing to have the input from the mm power line for for charging the batteries .Marketing: {vocalsound} Is it really weight ? Is it light or {disfmarker}IndustrialDesigner: It is very light .Project Manager: Yeah , they're light .User Interface: It's it's uh it's about the weight of a banana .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: Okay .User Interface: You know , to give you the correct look and feel .Project Manager: {gap}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing:OkIndustrial Designer: And we have put these different colours so that people don't mistake them mistake it as a banana .User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Otherwise it's you know a child comes and so {disfmarker}Marketing: Okay . Yeah yeah yeah , I see . I under I understand .User Interface: I think achild would try to eat it anyway , so maybe we shouldIndustrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: consider that . {gap} maybe health and safety aspects .ProjectManager: Ah yeah .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .User Interface: {gap}Industrial Designer: Oh we didn't think of that yet . Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .ProjectManager: So for the power source , apparently you still {disfmarker} you you want to use both solar cells and batteries .Industrial Designer: Oh yeah that's right.Project Manager: Uh you mean {disfmarker} okay . So {disfmarker}User Interface: I don't really know if the solar cells are actually necessary any more if youhave a recharging base station .Project Manager: Yeah , where are going to {disfmarker} where are you are you going to place them ?Industrial Designer:Mm-hmm mm-hmm . It'll It'll be always at top somewhere at there .User Interface: If I was gonna place them I'd put them on the on the top here since that'slike uh the black bitProject Manager: You have enough surface ? You {gap} {disfmarker}User Interface: but yeah I don't I really don't think it's necessary to havethe solar cells anymore .Industrial Designer: Yeah because now we are having rechargeable batteriesProject Manager: Okay .User Interface: Mm .IndustrialDesigner: so that that is {gap} .Project Manager: What will be the autonomy ? Roughly ?User Interface: The what sorry ?Project Manager: The autonomy .Autonomy .User Interface: What do you mean ?Project Manager: Uh I mean how long does i how how how long can it be held off a station ?Marketing: How longthe {disfmarker} how long the bit the batteries long .User Interface: Ah . Ah . A long time .Project Manager: Yeah . A long {disfmarker} {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound} No no no ,Industrial Designer: Eight to ten eight to ten hours .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: it can {disfmarker} it should beweeks .Industrial Designer: N most {disfmarker} no most of the time it's not being used .Project Manager: Yeah , so it's {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah but ypeople don't like to put it back in the base station all the time people leave wanna leave it on the couch so {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: So when when youare making it on {disfmarker}Project Manager: It's used only when you {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Mm . Mm-hmm . No eight or eight or ten hours ofworking .User Interface: Ah , okay .Industrial Designer: If you are just leaving like that it'll be much longer .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: Yeah . Fweeks .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Yeah . That's right .Project Manager: Right . Next slide ?Industrial Designer: Yeah . And we are having thespeakers regular chip for control . Pricing is {disfmarker} was a factor so that's why we have gone for a regular chip only not the advanced chip . And uh that's it.Project Manager: Okay . {gap} Okay . Those really sounds very good .Industrial Designer: That's right .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Nothing else to add ?UserInterface: It seems to be falling over .Marketing: I l yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: I like I like it . Maybe the the thing that convince me the less is the{vocalsound} the multifunctional buttons . Looks a bit {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: You want to have more functional buttons ?Marketing: Looks a bitpuzzled uh I dunno how to say {vocalsound} that .Industrial Designer: You are not convinced .Marketing: You {disfmarker} the the b the buttons change h htheir function depending if y it's teletext or not {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Not not many , we we want to keep it simple . So that this button fo is forteletext which is usually also the case , that usually there is a teletext button and once you press that , the channel buttons , they baco become the scrollingbuttons .Marketing: And the volume button will will become {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: It's up to you , means .Project Manager: Well in fact b both will be{disfmarker} could be useful , navigating through teletext .Industrial Designer: Now that {disfmarker} Means let's say this this can move the the larger digits andthis can move the smaller digits .User Interface: Or can move between positions in the in the number .Industrial Designer: That's right .Project Manager: Yeah"}
{"doc_id":"doc_185","qid":"","text":"Grad A: Why ?Grad D: Um .Grad E: I 'm known . I {disfmarker}Grad A: No , cuz she already told me it , before she told you .Grad E: No , she told me a long timeago . She told me {disfmarker} she told me like two weeks ago .Grad A: Oh , well , it doesn't matter what time .Grad B: OK . You know how to toggle the displaywidth {pause} function {disfmarker}Grad A: Well maybe she hadn't just started transcribing me yet .Grad D: Wow .Grad A: Anyway .Grad D: What is it ?Grad E:Let me explain something to you .Grad D: Um ,Grad E: My laugh is better than yours .Grad D: there .Grad A: I beg to differ .Grad B: Yo .Grad D: Um , OK .GradA: But you have to say something genuinely funny before you 'll get an example .Grad E: Yeah .Grad D: The thing is I don't know how to get to the next page .Here .Grad E: No . You should be {disfmarker} at least be self - satisfied enough to laugh at your own jokes .Grad D: Actually I thought {disfmarker}Grad A: No ,it 's a different laugh .Grad D: There .Grad A: Ooh , wow !Grad D: How weird .Grad E: Oh ! Holy mackerel .Grad A: Wow . Whoa !Grad D: What ? ! Oh . OK . Iwasn't even doing anything . {vocalsound} OK .Grad A: Uh .Grad E: Eva 's got a laptop , she 's trying to show it off .Grad D: That was r actually Robert 's idea .But anyhow . UmProfessor F: O K . So , here we are .Grad E: Once again .Professor F: Once again , right , together . Um , so we haven't had a meeting for awhile , and {disfmarker} and probably won't have one next week , I think a number of people are gone . Um , so Robert , why don't you bring us up to date onwhere we are with EDU ?Grad B: Um , uh in a {disfmarker} in a smaller group we had uh , talked and decided about continuation of the data collection . So Fey 'stime with us is almost officially over , and she brought us some thirty subjects and , t collected the data , and ten dialogues have been transcribed and can belooked at . If you 're interested in that , talk to me . Um , and we found another uh , cogsci student who 's interested in playing wizard for us . Here we 're gonnamake it a little bit more complicated for the subjects , uh this round . She 's actually suggested to look um , at the psychology department students , becausethey have to partake in two experiments in order to fulfill some requirements . So they have to be subjected , {vocalsound} {comment} before they can actuallygraduate . And um , we want to design it so that they really have to think about having some time , two days , for example , to plan certain things and figure outwhich can be done at what time , and , um , sort of package the whole thing in a {disfmarker} in a re in a few more complicated um , structure . That 's for thedata collection . As for SmartKom , I 'm {disfmarker} the last SmartKom meeting I mentioned that we have some problems with the synthesis , which as of thismorning should be resolved . And , so ,Professor F: Good .Grad B: \" should be \" means they aren't yet , but {disfmarker} but I think I have the info now that Ineed . Plus , Johno and I are meeting tomorrow , so maybe uh uh , when tomorrow is over , we 're done . And ha n hav we 'll never have to look at it again Maybeit 'll take some more time , to be realistic , but at least we 're {disfmarker} we 're seeing the end of the tunnel there . That was that . Um , the uh , uh I don'tthink we need to discuss the formalism that 'll be done officially s once we 're done . Um , something happened , in {disfmarker} on Eva 's side with the PRM thatwe 're gonna look at today , and um , we have a visitor from Bruchsal from the International University . Andreas , I think you 've met everyone except Nancy.Grad A: Sorry . Hi . Hi .Grad C: Yeah .Grad B: Hi . Hi .Grad A: So when you said \" Andreas \" I thought you were talking about Stolcke .Grad B: And , um ,Grad A:Now I know that we aren't , OK .Grad B: Andy , you actually go by Andy , right ? Oh , OK .Grad C: Yeah .Grad B: Eh {disfmarker}Grad C: Cuz there is anotherAndreas around ,Grad A: Hmm .Grad C: so , to avoid some confusion .Grad B: That will be {pause} Reuter ? Oh , OK .Grad C: Yeah .Grad B: So my scientificdirector of the EML is also the dean of the International University , one of his many occupations that just contributes to the fact that he is very occupied . And ,um , the {disfmarker} um , he @ @ might tell us a little bit about what he 's actually doing , and why it is s somewhat related , and {disfmarker} by uh usingmaybe some of the same technologies that we are using . And um . Was that enough of an update ?Professor F: I think so .Grad B: In what order shall weproceed ?Grad D: OK .Grad B: Maybe you have your on - line {disfmarker}Grad D: Uh , yeah , sure . Um , so , I 've be just been looking at , um , Ack ! What areyou doing ? Yeah . OK . Um , I 've been looking at the PRM stuff . Um , so , this is , sort of like the latest thing I have on it , and I sorta constructed a couple ofclasses . Like , a user class , a site class , and {disfmarker} and you know , a time , a route , and then {disfmarker} and a query class . And I tried to simplify itdown a little bit , so that I can actually um , look at it more . It 's the same paper that I gave to Jerry last time . Um , so basically I took out a lot of stuff , a lot ofthe decision nodes , and then tried to {disfmarker} The red lines on the , um , graph are the um , relations between the different um , classes . Like , a user haslike , a query , and then , also has , you know um , reference slots to its preferences , um , the special needs and , you know , money , and the user interest . Andso this is more or less similar to the flat Bayes - net that I have , you know , with the input nodes and all that . And {disfmarker} So I tried to construct thedependency models , and a lot of these stuff I got from the flat Bayes - net , and what they depend on , and it turns out , you know , the CPT 's are really big , if Ido that , so I tried to see how I can do , um {disfmarker} put in the computational nodes in between . And what that would look like in a PRM . And so I ended upmaking several classes {disfmarker} Actually , you know , a class of {disfmarker} with different attributes that are the intermediate nodes , and one of them islike , time affordability money affordability , site availability , and the travel compatibility . And so some of these classes are {disfmarker} s some of theseattributes only depend on stuff from , say , the user , or s f just from , I don't know , like the site . S like , um , these here , it 's only like , user , but , if you lookat travel compatibility for each of these factors , you need to look at a pair of , you know , what the um , preference of the user is versus , you know , what typeof an event it is , or you know , which form of transportation the user has and whether , you know , the onsite parking matters to the user , in that case . And thatmakes the scenario a little different in a PRM , because , um , then you have one - user objects and potentially you can have many different sites in {disfmarker}in mind . And so for each of the site you 'll come up with this rating , of travel compatibility . And , they all depend on the same users , but different sites , andthat makes a {disfmarker} I 'm tr I w I wa have been trying to see whether the PRM would make it more efficient if we do inferencing like that . And so , I guessyou end up having fewer number of nodes than in a flat Bayes - net , cuz otherwise you would {disfmarker} c well , it 's probably the same . But um , No , youwould definitely have {disfmarker} be able to re - use , like , {vocalsound} um , all the user stuff , and not {disfmarker} not having to recompute a lot of thestuff , because it 's all from the user side . So if you changed sites , you {disfmarker} you can , you know , save some work on that . But , you know , in the casewhere , it depends on both the user and the site , then I 'm still having a hard time trying to see how um , using the PRM will help . Um , so anyhow , using thoseintermediate nodes then , this {disfmarker} this would be the class that represent the intermediate nodes . And that would {disfmarker} basically it 's justanother class in the model , with , you know , references to the user and the site and the time . And then , after you group them together this {disfmarker} nothe dependencies would {disfmarker} of the queries would be reduced to this . And so , you know , it 's easier to specify the CPT and all . Um , so I think that 'sabout as far as I 've gone on the PRM stuff .Professor F: WellGrad D: Right .Professor F: No . So y you didn't yet tell us what the output is .Grad D: The output.Professor F: So what decisions does this make ?Grad D: OK . So it only makes two decisions , in this model . And one is basically how desirable a site is meaning, um , how good it matches the needs of a user . And the other is the mode of the visit , whether th It 's the EVA decision . Um , so , instead of um , {vocalsound}doing a lot of , you know , computation about , you know , which one site it wants of {disfmarker} the user wants to visit , I 'll come {disfmarker} well , try tocome up with like , sort of a list of sites . And for each site , you know , where {disfmarker} h how {disfmarker} how well it fits , and basically a rating of howwell it fits and what to do with it . So . Anything else I missed ?Professor F: So that was pretty quick . She 's ac uh uh Eva 's got a little write - up on it that uh ,probably gives the {disfmarker} the details to anybody who needs them . Um , so the {disfmarker} You {disfmarker} you didn't look at all yet to see if there 'sanybody has a implementation .Grad D: No , not yet , um {disfmarker}Professor F: OK . So one {disfmarker} so one of the questions , you know , about these PR Ms isGrad D: Mm - hmm .Professor F: uh , we aren't gonna build our own interpreter , so if {disfmarker} if we can't find one , then we uh , go off and dosomething else and wait until s one appears . Uh , so one of the things that Eva 's gonna do over the next few weeks is see if we can track that down . Uh , thepeople at Stanford write papers as if they had one , but , um , we 'll see . So w Anyway . So that 's a {disfmarker} a major open issue . If there is an interpreter ,it looks like you know , what Eva 's got should run and we should be able to actually um , try to solve , you know , the problems , to actually take the data , anddo it . Uh , and we 'll see . Uh , I actually think it is cleaner , and the ability to instantiate , you know , instance of people and sites and stuff , um , will help in theexpression . Whether the inference gets any faster or not I don't know . Uh , it wouldn't surprise me if it {disfmarker} if it doesn't .Grad D: Mm - hmm .ProfessorF: You know , it 's the same kind of information . I think there are things that you can express this way which you can't express in a normal belief - net , uh ,without going to some incredible hacking of {disfmarker} sort of rebuilding it on the fly . I mean , the notion of instantiating your el elements from the ontologyand stuff fits this very nicely and doesn't fit very well into the extended belief - net . So that was one of the main reasons for doing it . Um . I don't know . So , uh, people who have thought about the problem , like Robert i it looked to me like if {comment} Eva were able to come up with a {vocalsound} you know , valuefor each of a number of uh , sites plus its EVA thing , that a travel planner should be able to take it from there . And {disfmarker} you know , with some otherinformation about how much time the person has and whatever , and then plan a route .Grad B: Um - hmm , um , {vocalsound} well , first of all uh , uh , great"}
{"doc_id":"doc_186","qid":"","text":"Lynne Neagle AM: Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Children, Young People and Education Committee. We've received apologies for absence fromMichelle Brown and Jack Sargeant; there are no substitutions. Can I ask if Members have any declarations of interest, please? No. Okay. We'll move on, then, toitem 2, which is our scrutiny of the 'Healthy Weight: Healthy Wales' draft strategy, and I'm very pleased to welcome Dr Frank Atherton, the Chief Medical Officerfor Wales, and Nathan Cook, who is the head of the healthy and active branch at Welsh Government. Thank you, both, for attending this morning. We're verymuch looking forward to hearing what you've got to say. If you're happy, we'll go straight into questions. If I can just start by asking about the fact that 'HealthyWeight: Healthy Wales' is an all-age strategy, really, and how confident you are that it will deliver for children and young people.Dr Frank Atherton: Well, we'revery confident. I mean, it has to, quite clearly. We do need to think about the present generation, the problems faced by the current generation. We have highprevalence of overweight and obesity among adults—we know that, and we can't walk away from that because that's translating into demand on health services.But we have to take a focus, a future generation's focus, almost, on the next generation. I don't write off the current generation, we can't afford to do that, butwe do need to think about what can we do that would be different for the next generation so that they don't get into the sorts of problems that we're currentlyseeing with overweight and obesity. We know that the consequences of that for our young people are going to be enormous if we don't do something andsomething quite soon. We know that overweight children go on to become overweight adults, unfortunately, and that brings all the consequences of multipledisease issues—diabetes is often cited—cancer risk et cetera. So, we have to focus on children, and, in fact, during the consultation, we've been very clear thatwe need to engage with children and young people as well. Perhaps we'll get into that at some point, Chair, but, yes, I can give you that assurance.Lynne NeagleAM: Okay, thank you. What my follow-up question, really, is: can you just tell us what kind of engagement you've had with children and young people to informthe draft strategy?Dr Frank Atherton: Well, Nathan may be able to influence some of the detail, but in broad terms, we have discussed with young people in anumber of fora. In fact, I was delighted that we had a young person, Evie Morgan, a schoolgirl from mid Wales, who came to the joint launch on the consultation.She met the Minister there and gave a very good personal account of her views on obesity and overweight. We've been visiting a number of schools during theconsultation process. I'm visiting a school, either this week or next week, at Treorchy, to talk with teachers and young people there. Obviously, we're hopeful thatschools and young people will contribute to the consultation as well. So, we've had quite good input, I would say, from children and young people. There is alwaysmore we can do we and we want to hear those voices.Nathan Cook: I was going to say, we've also had a session with youth ambassadors as well, and what we'veactually produced for the consultation is not just the children and young people's version, but also a toolkit in terms of getting schools really engaged andinvolved in terms of the work that we want them to do to feed into this as well. So, we've already had some really good responses from a lot of youth group andschools already.Lynne Neagle AM: And you've got a structured programme, have you, to roll that out? Okay. Thank you. We've got some questions now onleadership, and the first questions are from Siân Gwenllian.Sian Gwenllian AM: Good morning. I'll be speaking in Welsh. The Minister for health said yesterday, inanswering a question from me on the Chamber floor, that you gave him advice not to have a target in terms of reducing obesity among children. Could youconfirm that that's what your advice was and tell us why you don't think that a target is needed?Dr Frank Atherton: My advice was not that we don't need atarget—we may well need a target, and that's one of the issues we need to consult on—but that the target that had been adopted in England and in Scotland tohalve the prevalence of obesity in children was more aspirational than deliverable, and that if we are to choose a target in Wales, then we need to balancedeliverability with challenge. We need a challenging environment. So, there is something about performance management, because I would be looking to not justthe health system but the health and care system and to public services boards to think about how they're delivering on this, and I think we can use targets tothat. But they are one tool in the box that I would think we could use, and part of the consultation is to ask that question—'If we are to go down a route in Walesof choosing a target, what might that look like?'Sian Gwenllian AM: Okay. So, to be clear, you're not ruling out that maybe we would need a target.Dr FrankAtherton: It's certainly something that we could consider in terms of the final strategy.Sian Gwenllian AM: And is that your opinion too?Nathan Cook: Yes.SianGwenllian AM: Okay. Well, that is contrary to what I was told yesterday on the floor of the Chamber by the Minister, but there we go. I'm glad to hear that you'renot ruling out having a target, because without a target, without something to aim for, how do we know that we're getting there?Dr Frank Atherton: I think yourpoint about evaluation is really important. Whatever we produce at the end of this process—and we're looking to produce a final strategy towards the autumn—wedo need to have a strong evaluation. So, some metrics in there, it would seem, would be appropriate, but what those are, what the nature of those are, do weframe them as targets or ambitions—that's the point we need to consult on.Sian Gwenllian AM: Okay. And the other point, of course, is the investment. If theGovernment is going to be successful in terms of the aim of reducing childhood obesity, then it needs to fund and support the actions. Have you made anassessment of the level of investment needed to implement this plan?Dr Frank Atherton: Resourcing will be important. We currently do make investments in anumber of areas that relate to child health generally, and, of course, obesity and overweight in particular. So, the question of resourcing is important. Now, wecan't quantify an absolute amount of resource that will be needed to deliver until we know exactly what's going to come out of the consultation and what actionswe might want to deliver to a greater degree in Wales. A figure of £8 million to £10 million a year has been banded around as a broad kind of area of what wemight need to invest, but that would need to be drawn from existing programmes. We need to look at existing programmes, how effective they are. Can we makethem more effective? Can we get better value from them? And there may well be a case for new investment, and that's a question, of course, that would need tobe discussed with Ministers when we're producing the final strategy.Nathan Cook: But I think a key consideration as well is we already know there is investmentacross health boards in some kind of obesity-related services. So, I think what we really need to think about across Wales is how we can drive greater scale, howwe can look at current programmes in terms of making sure that they're better evaluated, and how we can make sure that we're also drawing up on the existingresources and capacity out there as well.Sian Gwenllian AM: And does the level of investment depend on what the target is—what the goal is?Dr Frank Atherton: Idon't think you can necessarily just link the two. The issue of resourcing is one that's there irrespective of whether we choose to put a target in place.SianGwenllian AM: But how would we know that it's being used effectively if there isn't something to aim for?Dr Frank Atherton: Which brings you back to thequestion about evaluation. We need proper evaluation of the various programmes that we have.Sian Gwenllian AM: Yes, but without a target, how can youproperly evaluate? If you don't know what you're trying to do, how can you properly evaluate? Anyway, you're open to suggestions about having a target, whichis great. Would you agree that Government could use the revenue that's being produced through the levy on soft drinks towards some of these efforts to—?DrFrank Atherton: Well, of course, there are some consequentials that are coming to the Welsh Government as part of the levy on sugary soft drinks. That funding,of course, is less than we had anticipated, and that reflects, actually, a success story because industry is reformulating, and so the amount of sugar in soft drinksis already starting to decrease, which is a good thing. But to your question: should we use the funding? Well, of course we should use funding. I'm not personallyin favour of hypothecation, I think I'm more interested in the totality of resource that goes into public health programmes than into marginal resource. There are,of course, a number of initiatives that we currently fund through the general revenue. And when I think about obesity, I don't just think about the relatively smallmarginal amounts of money that come in through whatever source, but I think about the totality of the £7 billion we spend in health and social care and how wecan divert and channel some of that towards broad prevention initiatives in general, and towards tackling being overweight and obesity in particular.SianGwenllian AM: You're saying that it's less than expected. Could you give us any kind of figure?Dr Frank Atherton: I'm sorry, could you repeat the question?SianGwenllian AM: You say that there is less money that's come in through these consequentials from the levy, can you mention some sort of figure?Dr FrankAtherton: The figure that I have in mind is about £56 million that's coming in in terms of revenue over a two-year period. But I'd have to confirm that with thecommittee. What the anticipated—. When the sugar levy was first brought in, there was some modelling at UK level about what level of revenue that would bring,but it was based on the amount of sugar that was currently then in drinks and the fact that the sugar has reduced in drinks, I mean, the total amount available tothe UK is less and hence our consequentials are less. Nathan may have some precise figures.Nathan Cook: Yes, I was going to say, there was a mid-year reportdone where the levy has raised £150 million to date since coming into force in April, and the original forecast was £520 million a year. So, I think that shows theamount of work that's been done by industry around reformulation.Sian Gwenllian AM: And the consequentials of that? That is the consequential—£150million.Nathan Cook: On a UK level.Sian Gwenllian AM: Yes, so what's the Welsh consequential?Lynne Neagle AM: Fifty-six.Sian Gwenllian AM: Fifty-six? Gosh,that sounds a lot. Anyway, it's a good sum of money and you're talking about investing £8 million to £10 million. So, obviously, you know, we can be moreambitious because there is money in that pot if that money was ring-fenced for this particular scheme.Dr Frank Atherton: Well, the resource is going to be a real"}
{"doc_id":"doc_187","qid":"","text":"Professor B: OK So uh today we 're looking at a number of uh things we 're trying and uh fortunately for listeners to this uh we lost some of it 's visual but um gottables in front of us . Um what is {disfmarker} what does combo mean ?PhD C: So combo is um a system where we have these features that go through anetwork and then this same string of features but low - pass filtered with the low - pass filter used in the MSG features . And so these low - pass filtered goesthrough M eh {disfmarker} another MLP and then the linear output of these two MLP 's are combined just by adding the values and then there is this KLT . Umthe output is used as uh features as well .Professor B: Um so let me try to restate this and see if I have it right . There is uh {disfmarker} there is the features uhthere 's the OGI features and then um those features um go through a contextual {disfmarker} uh l l let 's take this bottom arr one pointed to by the bottomarrow . Um those features go through a contextualized KLT . Then these features also uh get um low - pass filteredPhD C: Yeah . Yeah so yeah I could perhapsdraw this on the blackboardProfessor B: Sure . Yeah . Yeah .PhD C: Yeah .PhD D: The graph , yeah another one .Professor B: Yeah , that 's good .PhD C:Professor B: SoPhD C: So we have these features from OGI that goes through the three paths .Professor B: Yeah . Three , OK .PhD C: The first is a KLT usingseveral frames of the features .Professor B: Yeah . Yeah .PhD C: The second path is uh MLP also using nine frames {disfmarker} several frames offeaturesProfessor B: Yeah . Uh - huh .PhD C: The third path is this low - pass filter .Professor B: Uh - huh .PhD C: Uh , MLPProfessor B: Aha ! aha !PhD C: Addingthe outputs just like in the second propose the {disfmarker} the proposal from {disfmarker} for the first evaluation .Professor B: Yeah ? Yeah . Yeah .PhD C: Andthen the KLT and then the two together again .Professor B: No , the KLT . And those two together . That 's it .PhD D: Two HTK .Professor B: OK so that 's{disfmarker} that 's this bottom one .PhD C: Um . So this is {disfmarker} yeahProfessor B: And so uh and then the {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} the one at thetop {disfmarker} and I presume these things that uh are in yellow are in yellow because overall they 're the best ?PhD C: Yeah that 's the reason , yeah.Professor B: Oh let 's focus on them then so what 's the block diagram for the one above it ?PhD C: For the f the f first yellow line you mean ?Professor B: Yeah.PhD C: Yeah so it 's uh basically s the same except that we don't have this uh low - pass filtering so we have only two streams .PhD D: Step .PhD C: Well . There's {disfmarker} there 's no low {disfmarker} low - pass processing used as additional feature stream .Professor B: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .PhD C: UmProfessorB: Do you e um they mentioned {disfmarker} made some {disfmarker} uh when I was on the phone with Sunil they {disfmarker} they mentioned someweighting scheme that was used to evaluate all of these numbers .PhD C: Yeah . Uh actually the way things seems to um well it 's uh forty percent for TI - digit ,sixty for all the SpeechDat - Cars , well all these languages . Ehm the well match is forty , medium thirty five and high mismatch twenty - five . Yeah .Professor B:Um and we don't have the TI - digits part yet ?PhD C: Uh , no .Professor B: OK .PhD C: But yeah . Generally what you observe with TI - digits is that the resultare very close whatever the {disfmarker} the system .Professor B: OK . And so have you put all these numbers together into a single number representing that?PhD C: Yeah .Professor B: I mean not {disfmarker}PhD C: Uh not yet .Professor B: OK so that should be pretty easy to do and that would be good{disfmarker}PhD C: No . Mmm yeah , yeah .Professor B: then we could compare the two and say what was better .PhD C: Mmm . Yeah .Professor B: Um and howdoes this compare to the numbers {disfmarker} oh so OGI two is just the top {disfmarker} top row ?PhD D: Yeah .PhD C: So yeah to {disfmarker} actually OGItwo is the {disfmarker} the baseline with the OGI features but this is not exactly the result that they have because they 've {disfmarker} they 're still made somechanges in the featuresProfessor B: OK .PhD C: and {disfmarker} well but uh actually our results are better than their results . Um I don't know by how muchbecause they did not send us the new resultsProfessor B: OK .PhD C: UhProfessor B: Uh OK so the one {disfmarker} one place where it looks like we 're messingthings up a bit is in the highly mismatched Italian .PhD C: Yeah . Yeah .Professor B: AnPhD C: Yeah there is something funny happening here because{disfmarker} yeah .Professor B: Yeah .PhD C: But there are thirty - six and then sometimes we are {disfmarker} we are {disfmarker} we are around forty - twoandProfessor B: Now upPhD C: butProfessor B: Uh so one of the ideas that you had mentioned last time was having a {disfmarker} a second um silence detection.PhD C: Yeah . So there are some results herePhD D: For the Italian .PhD C: uh so the third and the fifth line of the tablePhD D: For this one .Professor B: So filtis what that is ?PhD C: Filt , yeahPhD D: Yeah .PhD C: Um yeah so it seems f for the {disfmarker} the well match and mismatched condition it 's uh it bringssomething . Uh but uh actually apparently there are {disfmarker} there 's no room left for any silence detector at the server side because of the delay . UhwellProfessor B: Oh we can't do it . Oh OK .PhD C: No .PhD D: For that {disfmarker} for that we {disfmarker}Professor B: Oh .PhD C: UhProfessor B: Too bad .Good idea , but can't do it .PhD C: Yeah .Professor B: OK .PhD C: Except I don't know because they {disfmarker} I think they are still working well .Professor B:Uh - huh .PhD C: Uh t two days ago they were still working on this trying to reduce the delay of the silence detector so but yeah if we had time perhaps we couldtry to find uh some kind of compromise between the delay that 's on the handset and on the server side . Perhaps try to reduce the delay on the handset and{disfmarker} but well hmm For the moment they have this large delay on the {disfmarker} the feature computation and so we don'tProfessor B: OK . So Alrightso for now at least that 's not there you have some results with low - pass filter cepstrum doesn't have a huge effect but it {disfmarker} but it looks like it youknow maybe could help in a couple places .PhD C: I thProfessor B: Uh little bit .PhD C: Yeah .Professor B: Um and um um Yeah and uh let 's see What else did wehave in there ? Uh I guess it makes a l um at this point this is I {disfmarker} I guess I should probably look at these others a little bit uh And you {disfmarker}you yellowed these out uh but uh uh Oh I see yeah that {disfmarker} that one you can't use because of the delay . Those look pretty good . Um let 's see thatone Well even the {disfmarker} just the {disfmarker} the second row doesn't look that bad right ? That 's just uh yeah ?PhD C: Yep .Professor B: And{disfmarker} and that looks like an interesting one too .PhD D: Mmm yeah .Professor B: UhPhD C: Actually the {disfmarker} yeah the second line is uh prettymuch like the first line in yellow except that we don't have this KLT on the first {disfmarker} on the left part of the diagram . We just have the features as theyare .Professor B: Mm - hmm .PhD C: UmProfessor B: Yeah . Yeah so when we do this weighted measure we should compare the two cuz it might even come outbetter . And it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's a little {disfmarker} slightly simpler .PhD C: Mm - hmm . Yeah .Professor B: So {disfmarker} so there 's{disfmarker} so I {disfmarker} I would put that one also as a {disfmarker} as a maybe . Uh and it {disfmarker} yeah and it 's actually {vocalsound} does{disfmarker} does significantly better on the uh uh highly mismatched Italian , so s and little worse on the mis on the MM case , but uh Well yeah it 's worse thana few thingsPhD C: Mm - hmm .Professor B: so uh let 's see how that c that c c see how that comes out on their {disfmarker} their measure and {disfmarker}are {disfmarker} are we running this uh for TI - digits or uhPhD C: Yeah .Professor B: Now is TI di {disfmarker} is is that part of the result that they get for theuh development {disfmarker} th the results that they 're supposed to get at the end of {disfmarker} end of the month , the TI - digits are there also ?PhD C:Yeah . Yeah . It 's included , yeah .Professor B: Oh OK . OK . And see what else there is here . Um Oh I see {disfmarker} the one {disfmarker} I was lookingdown here at the {disfmarker} the o the row below the lower yellowed one . Uh that 's uh that 's with the reduced uh KLT size {disfmarker} reduceddimensionality .PhD C: Mm - hmm ? Yeah . Yeah .Professor B: What happens there is it 's around the same and so you could reduce the dimension as you weresaying before a bit perhaps .PhD C: Yeah , it 's {disfmarker} it 's significantly worse well but {disfmarker} Mm - hmm .Professor B: It 's significantly worse{disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's uh it 's {disfmarker} it 's mostly worse .PhD C: Exc - except for the HMPhD D: For many a mismatch it 's worse .PhD C:butProfessor B: Yeah . But it is little . I mean not {disfmarker} not by a huge amount , I don't know . What are {disfmarker} what are the sizes of any of thesesets , I {disfmarker} I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm sure you told me before , but I 've forgotten . So {disfmarker} you know how many words are in uh one of these testsets ?PhD C: UhPhD D: I don't remember .Professor B: About ?PhD C: Um it 's {disfmarker} it depends {disfmarker} well {disfmarker} the well matched isgenerally larger than the other sets and I think it 's around two thousand or three thousand words perhaps , at least .PhD D: Ye But words {disfmarker} well word{disfmarker} I don't know .PhD C: Hmm ? The words , yeah . S sentences .PhD D: Sentences .PhD C: Some sets have five hundred sentences , so .PhD D: Yeah.Professor B: So the {disfmarker} so the sets {disfmarker} so the test sets are between five hundred and two thousand sentences , let 's sayPhD C: Mmm.Professor B: and each sentence on the average has four or five digits or is it {disfmarker} most of them longer orPhD C: Yeah .PhD D: Yeah for the Italian evenseven digits y more or lessPhD C: It {disfmarker} it d Seven digits .PhD D: but sometime the sentence have only one digit and sometime uh like uh the numberof uh credit cards , something like that .Professor B: Mm - hmm . Right , so between one and sixteen . See the {disfmarker} I mean the reason I 'm asking is{disfmarker} is {disfmarker} is we have all these small differences and I don't know how seriously to take them , right ?PhD C: Mm - hmm ?Professor B: So uh iif {disfmarker} if you had uh just you know {disfmarker} to give an example , if you had uh um if you had a thousand words then uh a {disfmarker} a tenth of apercent would just be one word ,PhD C: Yeah .Professor B: right ? So {disfmarker} so it wouldn't mean anything .PhD D: Yeah .Professor B: OhPhD C: Yeah.Professor B: um so um yeah it be kind of {disfmarker} I 'd kind of like to know what the sizes of these test sets were actually .PhD C: Yeah .PhD D: The size thatwe have ?PhD C: We could {disfmarker} we could run {disfmarker} run some kind of significance testsProfessor B: Yeah since these {disfmarker} well also just"}
{"doc_id":"doc_188","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay . Uh good afternoon . This is our third meeting already .Marketing: Good afternoon .Project Manager: I hope you enjoyed your lunch .{vocalsound} I did anyway . {vocalsound} Um let's see . Presentation three . Okay this is um the second phase uh we're going to discuss today . It's theconceptual design meeting . And a few points of interest in this meeting um are the conceptual specification of components . Uh conceptual specification of design. And also trend-watching . Um these are hopefully the points you addressed in uh your pre uh presentations you're going to show me in a few minutes . Um butfirst I'll show you the agenda . Uh first the opening . Then we have three presentations . Uh after that we have to come to a decision on remote control concepts .How we're going to make it . And then we're closing . We have about forty minutes . Uh so I suggest let's get started . Uh did someone encounter any problemsduring the preparation ? No ?User Interface: No .Project Manager: Everything fine ?Marketing: {gap}Project Manager: That's nice . Then a little uh thing aboutthe last meeting . Uh these are the points um we agreed on . The requirements and the target market . Uh requirements are uh teletext , docking station , audiosignal , small screen , with some extras that uh button information . And we are going to use default materials . Um does somebody have any comments on theserequirements ? Maybe ? No ? These are just the the things we thought of , so maybe if you figured something else or thought of something else , just let me know. And maybe we can uh work it out . And we're going to target uh sixty to to eighty year old customers . So now everybody knows what we're do we're doing , umI suggest let's get started with the presentations . So shall we keep the same uh line-up as uh last time ?Marketing: Sure .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: I'llstart off then .Project Manager: Good luck . {vocalsound}Marketing: Doh . 'Kay I'm uh gonna inform you about the trend-watching I've done over the past fewdays . Um we've done some market research . We distributed some more enquetes , questionnaires . And um besides that um I deployed some trend-watchers toMilan and Paris to well get all of the newest trends . And I've consulted some additional trend-watch trend-watchers , after the original trend-watchers return ,about what the the best design would be . Um okay these are some overall findings . Um most important thing is the fancy design . Um the research indicatedthat that was by far the most important factor . Um innovativeness was about half as important as the fancy design . By innovativeness this means um functionswhich are not featured in other remote controls . Um about half of , half as important as the innovativeness was the was easy to use . Um for our um group ,we're focusing on the people of sixty to eighty y years old , this is um , these factors are slightly more equal . 'Kay these are some more group specific findings .Uh the older people prefer dark colours . Uh they like recognisable shapes , and familiar material . And our surveys have indicated that especially wood is prettymuch the material for older people . Um this is , this image will give you a little bit of an impression about um the look-and-feel that um the remote should have .Um this leads us to some personal preferences . Uh the remote control and the docking station should uh blend in in the in the room . Um so this would mean nouh eye-catching designs . Just keep it simple and {disfmarker} Well the docking station and small screen would be our main points of interest , because thiswould be the {disfmarker} These would uh be the innovativeness in the remote control . So this would be very important that we {vocalsound} at least includethese features . Um well the trend-watchers I consulted advised that it b should be , the remote control and the docking station should be telephone-shaped . Soyou could imagine that uh the remote control will be standing up straight in the docking station . This is not really {disfmarker} This is pretty much a new shapeto uh older people . So they would prefer uh a design where the remote control just lies flat in the docking station . So it would be kinda more telephone-shaped .Um besides that we would advise um to bring two editions , one with a wood-like colour and maybe feel , and one with a grey-black colour . The wood-like for themore uh exclusive people . People with more money . Uh the grey-black colour for well people with less means . That would be all .Project Manager: Okay . Thankyou . Any questions about the the trends ?Marketing: Any questions ?Project Manager: MaybUser Interface: Mm no .Project Manager: No ? Okay , we go on to thenext one .User Interface: {gap}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Um {vocalsound} 'kay um yeah . {gap} uh some uh research uh a about umdesigning of an interface . Um the uh last meeting uh we had a about um uh using a f few buttons . So uh um uh that's w what I what I want to uh uh to do in uhour design . So um finding an attractive uh way to control uh the remote control . Um the uh {disfmarker} I found some uh something about uh speech uhrecognition . So maybe uh we can uh use uh that . Um {disfmarker} Uh and uh using a little uh display . So um findings . Um yeah just um we have just to focuson the primary um functions . So uh only uh buttons uh for uh sound , um for uh on-off , um uh shifting u up uh sa uh ca channel or uh down shifting down . Umuh let's see . Um yeah and {disfmarker} Uh {gap} we uh need some uh new a attractive functions uh uh which attract uh uh people for using it . So uh it's uh likea speak uh speech uh recognition and um a special button for selecting uh subtitles . Just uh what we uh mentioned uh last uh meeting . Um and yeah overall umuser-friendly . So uh using uh large large buttons . Um {disfmarker} It's uh possible to uh uh to make um quite cheap uh system for uh speech uh recognition .Um you can think about um uh when you lost your um remote control , you can uh call it and um it gives an um sig signal . So uh uh yeah . And and uh for uhshifting up a sen uh c ch channel or uh for um uh putting out uh sound or something , you can uh just give a sign uh say um sound off or {disfmarker} A and uhyeah . Television uh put the sound off uh put the sound off uh . Um {disfmarker} Let's see . Uh yeah . I was thinking about the special uh button for uh subtitles ,um just one button to keep it uh simple . Uh one push on the button uh you get uh uh small uh subtitles . Um double push push um , if double click , um so uhyou get uh big uh subtitles , for uh people uh um uh which c f uh who can't uh read small uh subtitles . So uh {disfmarker} Um {disfmarker} Yeah and w we haveto keep uh in general buttons uh so um we've got um the buttons we have to use . The on-off , sound on-off , sound higher or lower , um the numbers , uh zeroto uh uh nine . Um the general buttons m more general b one button for shifting up and shifting down uh channel . Um also we want to uh use a little d display uhfor um for displaying the uh the functions of the buttons . And um we can uh build in a function f which uh shows the channel or some uh which the t television ison . So um made a little uh picture of uh it . Um {disfmarker} See . Um yeah . Just um we can put uh the on-off button uh over in this uh corner , um almost uh eall uh remote controls uh are using a on-off button on that place . Um so uh people uh will uh recognise uh um the button .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}UserInterface: So um {disfmarker} D display uh of it , it's uh just a small display . Uh um you can put it uh on top . Um it's uh most uh uh place where people uh ,most of {gap} looks at . So uh um and a special uh button for shifting up uh and uh shifting down uh channel , um it's uh on place where um the thumb of of the{disfmarker} So you you can uh easily uh shift up or shift down . Um it's uh quite uh handy place . So um and uh all the f functions for subtitle uh one button , uhfor sound uh {disfmarker} Uh and uh for our design , um uh we have to discuss about it uh I think uh so uh the form of it so {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay.User Interface: And that's it .Project Manager: Uh thank you . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay . About the components design . Um for the energy sourcewe can use a basic battery or , a as an optional thing , a kinetic energy , like in a watch , which you just shake and it produces energy . But if we choose for thatoption , the docking station would c become obsolete . So I don't think it's really an option . Uh for the casing , uh the uh manufacturing department can deliveruh a flat casing , single or double curved casing . It's really up the the design that we're gonna use . It's uh doesn't uh imply any technical restrictions . Uh as acase supplement , we could um , I thought of that l later , uh a rubber uh belt , like a anti-slip . Uh for the b buttons , we can use plastic or rubber . And thechip-set , um it says simple here , but it should be advanced , because we're using an L_C_D_ uh screen . And as uh the trend-watcher presentation showed , umpeople like wood , but it raises the price and it doesn't really fit the image , unless we would start two product lines . Form should follow function overall . Um wellthe kinetic energy source is rather fancy . But depends on what we want . I think we should disc discuss that . Um for the case , uh the supplement and thebuttons , it really depends on the designer . And the chip-set uh really should be advanced because otherwise uh it would really be a simple uh remote control .And that's it .Project Manager: Okay . Thank you . So that brings us to the discussion about our concepts . Mm .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay .So these are the points we have to discuss . Um first I think we can talk about the energy source , since that's um has a pretty big influence on production price ,uh and image .User Interface: {gap}Project Manager: Uh so uh f I think first of all we have to see uh it is possible to introduce kinetic energy in our budget , Ithink .Industrial Designer: Yes w there there are four options . We could use the basic normal battery .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Uh a handdynamo .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay {gap} . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: But I don't think that's {vocalsound} really an option .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: You don't wanna swing before you can watch television .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah.Industrial Designer: Uh solar cells . But not every room is very lightUser Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer: so it's not a very good option .Project Manager: No.Industrial Designer: Or the kinetic energy .Project Manager: Yeah . Okay .Marketing: And how exactly does the kinetic energy work ?Industrial Designer: Well yyou basically shake your remote , and then it powers up .Marketing: You just {disfmarker} You use it and it works .User Interface: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Nah .Marketing: Okay . Well personally I don't think that older people like to shake their remote controlbefore they use it .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah . That's true .Marketing: And besides that you mentioned it would makethe docking station obsolete .Industrial Designer: Oh .Marketing: And I think our docking station could be one of the marketing issues with which we can um get"}
{"doc_id":"doc_189","qid":"","text":"PhD A: OK , we 're going .PhD D: Damn .Professor C: And uh Hans - uh , Hans - Guenter will be here , um , I think by next {disfmarker} next Tuesday or so .PhDB: Oh , OK .PhD D: Mm - hmm .Professor C: So he 's {disfmarker} he 's going to be here for about three weeks ,PhD B: Oh ! That 's nice .PhD A: Just for a visit?Professor C: and , uh {disfmarker} Uh , we 'll see .PhD A: Huh .Professor C: We might {disfmarker} might end up with some longer collaboration or something.PhD A: Cool .Professor C: So he 's gonna look in on everything we 're doingPhD D: Mm - hmm .Professor C: and give us his {disfmarker} his thoughts . And so it'll be another {disfmarker} another good person looking at things .PhD B: Oh . Hmm .Grad E: Th - that 's his spectral subtraction group ?Professor C: Yeah ,GradE: Is that right ?Professor C: yeah .Grad E: Oh , OK . So I guess I should probably talk to him a bit too ?Professor C: Oh , yeah . Yeah . Yeah . No , he 'll bearound for three weeks . He 's , uh , um , very , very , easygoing , easy to talk to , and , uh , very interested in everything .PhD A: Really nice guy .Professor C:Yeah , yeah .PhD B: Yeah , we met him in Amsterdam .Professor C: Yeah , yeah , he 's been here before .PhD B: Oh , OK .Professor C: I mean , he 's{disfmarker} he 's {disfmarker} he 's {disfmarker} he 's {disfmarker}PhD A: Wh - Back when I was a grad student he was here for a , uh , uh {disfmarker} ayear or {comment} n six months .PhD B: I haven't noticed him .Professor C: N nine months .PhD A: Something like that .Professor C: Something like that .PhDA: Yeah .Professor C: Yeah . Yeah . He 's {disfmarker} he 's done a couple stays here .PhD B: Hmm .Professor C: Yeah .PhD A: So , um , {vocalsound}{comment} I guess we got lots to catch up on . And we haven't met for a couple of weeks . We didn't meet last week , Morgan . Um , I went around and talked toeverybody , and it seemed like they {disfmarker} they had some new results but rather than them coming up and telling me I figured we should just wait a weekand they can tell both {disfmarker} you know , all of us . So , um , why don't we {disfmarker} why don't we start with you , Dave , and then , um , we can go on.Grad E: Oh , OK .PhD A: So .Grad E: So , um , since we 're looking at putting this , um {disfmarker} mean log m magnitude spectral subtraction , um , into theSmartKom system , I I did a test seeing if , um , it would work using past only {comment} and plus the present to calculate the mean . So , I did a test , um ,{vocalsound} where I used twelve seconds from the past and the present frame to , um , calculate the mean . And {disfmarker}PhD A: Twelve seconds{disfmarker} Twelve {disfmarker} twelve seconds back from the current {pause} frame , is that what you mean ?Grad E: Uh {disfmarker} Twelve seconds , um ,counting back from the end of the current frame ,PhD A: OK , OK .Grad E: yeah . So it was , um , twen I think it was twenty - one frames and that worked out toabout twelve seconds .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Grad E: And compared to , um , do using a twelve second centered window , I think there was a drop in performancebut it was just a slight drop .PhD A: Hmm !Professor C: Mm - hmm .Grad E: Is {disfmarker} is that right ?Professor C: Um , yeah , I mean , it was pretty{disfmarker} it was pretty tiny . Yeah .Grad E: Uh - huh . So that was encouraging . And , um , that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} um , that 's encouraging for{disfmarker} for the idea of using it in an interactive system like And , um , another issue I 'm {disfmarker} I 'm thinking about is in the SmartKom system . Sosay twe twelve seconds in the earlier test seemed like a good length of time , but what happens if you have less than twelve seconds ? And , um {disfmarker} SoI w bef before , um {disfmarker} Back in May , I did some experiments using , say , two seconds , or four seconds , or six seconds . In those I trained the modelsusing mean subtraction with the means calculated over two seconds , or four seconds , or six seconds . And , um , here , I was curious , what if I trained themodels using twelve seconds but I f I gave it a situation where the test set I was {disfmarker} subtracted using two seconds , or four seconds , or six seconds .And , um {disfmarker} So I did that for about three different conditions . And , um {disfmarker} I mean , I th I think it was , um , four se I think {disfmarker} Ithink it was , um , something like four seconds and , um , six seconds , and eight seconds . Something like that . And it seems like it {disfmarker} it {disfmarker}it hurts compared to if you actually train the models {comment} using th that same length of time but it {disfmarker} it doesn't hurt that much . Um , u usuallyless than point five percent , although I think I did see one where it was a point eight percent or so rise in word error rate . But this is , um , w where , um , evenif I train on the , uh , model , and mean subtracted it with the same length of time as in the test , it {disfmarker} the word error rate is around , um , ten percentor nine percent . So it doesn't seem like that big a d a difference .Professor C: But it {disfmarker} but looking at it the other way , isn't it {disfmarker} what you're saying that it didn't help you to have the longer time for training , if you were going to have a short time for {disfmarker}Grad E: That {disfmarker} that 'strue . Um ,Professor C: I mean , why would you do it , if you knew that you were going to have short windows in testing .Grad E: WaPhD A: Yeah , it seems likefor your {disfmarker} I mean , in normal situations you would never get twelve seconds of speech , right ? I 'm not {disfmarker} e uPhD B: You need twelveseconds in the past to estimate , right ? Or l or you 're looking at six sec {disfmarker} seconds in future and six in {disfmarker}Professor C: Yeah .Grad E: Um , ttwelve sProfessor C: No , total .Grad E: N n uh {disfmarker} For the test it 's just twelve seconds in the past .PhD B: No , it 's all {disfmarker} Oh , OK .PhD A: Isthis twelve seconds of {disfmarker} uh , regardless of speech or silence ? Or twelve seconds of speech ?Grad E: Of {disfmarker} of speech .PhD A: OK .PhD B:Mm - hmm .Professor C: The other thing , um , which maybe relates a little bit to something else we 've talked about in terms of windowing and so on is , that ,um , I wonder if you trained with twelve seconds , and then when you were two seconds in you used two seconds , and when you were four seconds in , you usedfour seconds , and when you were six {disfmarker} and you basically build up to the twelve seconds . So that if you have very long utterances you have the best,Grad E: Yeah .Professor C: but if you have shorter utterances you use what you can .Grad E: Right . And that 's actually what we 're planning to do inProfessorC: OK . Yeah .Grad E: But {disfmarker} s so I g So I guess the que the question I was trying to get at with those experiments is , \" does it matter what modelsyou use ? Does it matter how much time y you use to calculate the mean when you were , um , tra doing the training data ? \"Professor C: Right . But I mean theother thing is that that 's {disfmarker} I mean , the other way of looking at this , going back to , uh , mean cepstral subtraction versus RASTA kind of things , isthat you could look at mean cepstral subtraction , especially the way you 're doing it , uh , as being a kind of filter . And so , the other thing is just to design afilter . You know , basically you 're {disfmarker} you 're {disfmarker} you 're doing a high - pass filter or a band - pass filter of some sort and {disfmarker} andjust design a filter . And then , you know , a filter will have a certain behavior and you loo can look at the start up behavior when you start up with nothing .GradE: Mm - hmm .Professor C: And {disfmarker} and , you know , it will , uh , if you have an IIR filter for instance , it will , um , uh , not behave in the steady - stateway that you would like it to behave until you get a long enough period , but , um , uh , by just constraining yourself to have your filter be only a subtraction ofthe mean , you 're kind of , you know , tying your hands behind your back because there 's {disfmarker} filters have all sorts of be temporal and spectralbehaviors .Grad E: Mm - hmm .Professor C: And the only thing , you know , consistent that we know about is that you want to get rid of the very low frequencycomponent .Grad E: Hmm .PhD B: But do you really want to calculate the mean ? And you neglect all the silence regions {comment} or you just use everythingthat 's twelve seconds , and {disfmarker}Grad E: Um , you {disfmarker} do you mean in my tests so far ?PhD B: Ye - yeah .Grad E: Most of the silence has beencut out .PhD B: OK .Grad E: Just {disfmarker} There 's just inter - word silences .PhD B: Mm - hmm . And they are , like , pretty short . ShorGrad E: Pretty short.PhD B: Yeah , OK .Grad E: Yeah .PhD B: Yeah . Mm - hmm . So you really need a lot of speech to estimate the mean of it .Grad E: Well , if I only use six seconds, it still works pretty well .PhD B: Yeah . Yeah . Uh - huh .Grad E: I saw in my test before . I was trying twelve seconds cuz that was the best {pause} in my testbeforePhD B: OK .Grad E: and that increasing past twelve seconds didn't seem to help .PhD B: Hmm . Huh .Grad E: th um , yeah , I guess it 's something I needto play with more to decide how to set that up for the SmartKom system . Like , may maybe if I trained on six seconds it would work better when I only had twoseconds or four seconds , and {disfmarker}Professor C: Yeah . Yeah . And , um {disfmarker}Grad E: OK .Professor C: Yeah , and again , if you take this filteringperspective and if you essentially have it build up over time . I mean , if you computed means over two and then over four , and over six , essentially what you 'regetting at is a kind of , uh , ramp up of a filter anyway . And so you may {disfmarker} may just want to think of it as a filter . But , uh , if you do that , then , um, in practice somebody using the SmartKom system , one would think {comment} {disfmarker} if they 're using it for a while , it means that their first utterance ,instead of , you know , getting , uh , a forty percent error rate reduction , they 'll get a {disfmarker} uh , over what , uh , you 'd get without this , uh , um , policy, uh , you get thirty percent . And then the second utterance that you give , they get the full {disfmarker} you know , uh , full benefit of it if it 's this ongoingthing .PhD A: Oh , so you {disfmarker} you cache the utterances ? That 's how you get your , uh {disfmarker}Professor C: Well , I 'm saying in practice , yeah,Grad E: MPhD A: Ah . OK .Professor C: that 's {disfmarker} If somebody 's using a system to ask for directions or something ,PhD A: OK .Professor C: you know, they 'll say something first . And {disfmarker} and to begin with if it doesn't get them quite right , ma m maybe they 'll come back and say , \" excuse me ? \"PhDA: Mm - hmm .Professor C: uh , or some {disfmarker} I mean it should have some policy like that anyway .PhD A: Mm - hmm .Professor C: And {disfmarker}and , uh , uh , in any event they might ask a second question . And it 's not like what he 's doing doesn't , uh , improve things . It does improve things , just notas much as he would like . And so , uh , there 's a higher probability of it making an error , uh , in the first utterance .PhD A: What would be really cool is if youcould have {disfmarker} uh , this probably {disfmarker} users would never like this {disfmarker} but if you had {disfmarker} could have a system where ,"}
{"doc_id":"doc_190","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Um we are {disfmarker} So the meeting will have about the same format as the last time . So {gap} switching over I've just left uh my first twoscreens {gap} .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Um {vocalsound} mailed you the minutes of the last meeting uh just to save time .User Interface:Okay . Cool .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um and is there any questions you have that arised from last meeting that are particularly bothering you ? NUserInterface: Mm um . No , I don't think so .Project Manager: No ? Okay , cool .Industrial Designer: No .Project Manager: Then we shall start with a presentationfrom Raj .Marketing: Yeah . {vocalsound} Hi , me Raj , again . Uh in this meeting I I'm going to discuss about the trend watching , uh how these trends is goingto affect our market potential and how important is this . So we have to look on this . First of all methodology . The met methodology to find out the trend wasincl uh was done in a way {disfmarker} {vocalsound} We have done a rec not only a recent remote control market survey , but we also considered the latest frefashion trends of the market , because we think that this is also a factor which will affect our sales and profit . So what are our findings ? In our {vocalsound} uhin our findings we have seen that {disfmarker} when we did our remote control market survey we found that uh people l uh people do have preference for thofancy mobi uh f remote controls which look and feel very good , rather than having a functional look and feel uh good . So this sh this clearly indicates theirpreference for the design their outlook of the remote controls . So we should take into uh we should consider this factor as the most important factor , becausethis factor is twice as important , the second factor which is further ti twice the as important as the sec as uh the third factor . So this factor becomes the mostimportant factor in our surv uh uh in our mark uh means in take {disfmarker} in designing our rem uh remote controls .User Interface: The last one is the mostimportant one , is it ?Marketing: No the first one is theUser Interface: Oh , sorry .Marketing: uh the outlook of the mobile , the it should have a fancy outlook,Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: Okay .Marketing: the fancy design uh rather than just having a functional look and feel good , it should have a fancy lookand foo feel good .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: The second most important aspect is that remote control should be a technologically uh innovative . We musthave some technological advancement in the remote control tha rather than just putting it as it is as the other remo uh remote controls are . So it uh should betechnologically innovative like glow-in-the-dark or speech recognition , something like that .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: So that indicates ourtechnological advancement . And the third most important aspect in the ta to take into consideration is that it should be easy to use ,User Interface: Mm-hmm.Marketing: like it shouldn't be too much co complicated ,User Interface: Mm-hmm .Marketing: there shouldn't be too many buttons on this mobi uh remotecontrol , it shouldn't be too complicated uh like this way . And it should be uh {disfmarker} and customers should be provided with manuals that is easy tounderstand in their local language , something . So that they could know how to use these remote controls . When we did uh f fashions uh , recent fashion uh{disfmarker} our recent fashion update shows that {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} Sorry .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Ah yeah ?{vocalsound}User Interface: I was just reading fruit and vegetables .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Hard to know how we are going toincorporate that . {vocalsound}Marketing: Y yeah uh yeah , we have to , because uh d you can see how people have related their clothes , shoes , {gap} andeverything with fruits and vegetables ,Project Manager: {gap}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: because the g world is now changing it's trend towardsorganic , becoming more and more organic ,User Interface: Okay . Yeah .Industrial Designer: We should make a big sponge lemon ,Marketing: becoming{disfmarker} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: and then it'd be it would be yellow .Marketing: Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface:Yeah .Industrial Designer: It's {disfmarker}Marketing: So {disfmarker} {vocalsound}User Interface: Th that's very good .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing:Yeah . So something like that we we should do .User Interface: Glow-in-the-dark . Okay .Marketing: And people uh the f feel of the material is expected to bespongy rather than just having a plastic look , hard look .Industrial Designer: Mm . {vocalsound}User Interface: Well , that's good .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah. Yeah .User Interface: That's what we kind of predicted anyway .Marketing: So so that they could play with it while handi uh while handling it . So that shouldalso be taken into consideration .User Interface: Okay . Okay .Marketing: So these are my views .User Interface: Okay .Marketing: So {disfmarker}UserInterface: Okay , the spongy , not real spongy , you can {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Marketing: No it ca {vocalsound} y a {gap} {disfmarker}User Interface: Doyou think like rubber would be good or does it really want to be like gel kind of stuff ?Marketing: The rubber which is good for health and which is quite disposablethat we can take into coUser Interface: Okay . Quite disposable .Marketing: Yeah . 'Cause we It shouldn't be have any harm to the environment also ,UserInterface: Okay .Marketing: because our company is very well {gap} for taking all these concerns into consideration ,Project Manager: Alright , okay .UserInterface: Oh okay .Marketing: so we don't want to have any harm to the society ,User Interface: Uh-huh . Okay .Marketing: so {disfmarker}Project Manager:Fashion .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Mm 'kay .User Interface: Cool .Marketing: So that's all . {vocalsound}Project Manager:Fruit and veg , well there you go .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Just what I think of when I think of a remote control . {vocalsound}{vocalsound}User Interface: Mm .Industrial Designer: {gap}User Interface: A remote control ? Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} {gap}User Interface: And werethere any factors that weren't important in the survey , that they said we don't want ?Marketing: S uh we didn't find out any such point .User Interface: Or was itjust {disfmarker} Okay . {vocalsound}Marketing: Uh yes , there could be , but we couldn't find out any , so {disfmarker}Project Manager: Mm-mm-mm-mm.User Interface: Cool .Project Manager: Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm .User Interface: F_ , what is it ? Um .Project Manager: Function F_ eight .User Interface: {gap}yeah .Project Manager: Hmm .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: {gap}Marketing: Yeah . {gap}Project Manager: {gap}Marketing: Oh no , {vocalsound}{gap} .User Interface: No signal . Is that {gap} ?Industrial Designer: No , it's got it's got it .Marketing: Yeah , uh yeah , uh yeah .Industrial Designer:{gap}Marketing: {gap} Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Excuse me .User Interface: Okay , and then F_ five , right ?Project Manager: Uh ,yeah {gap} .User Interface: Okay . Um okay , so the interface concept um . Yeah . The interface specification , what people {disfmarker} um how they interactwith it basically , I think . Um so the method , we looked at existing designs , what are the {disfmarker} what's good about them , what's bad about them , um Ilooked at their flaws , so we're going to look at their flaws , everything . Um and what {vocalsound} the survey told us and what we think would be good , so a bitof imagination .Project Manager: Mm 'kay .User Interface: {vocalsound} Uh the findings , I've got some pictures to show you as well .Project Manager:{vocalsound} {gap} either . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound} Okay , so mostremote controls use graphical interface , where you um have got s buttons and you point it rather than having the output as a a stream of text or something.Project Manager: Uh okay .User Interface: Um and we also found that there's inconsistent layout , which makes it confusing . So I think for our remote control{disfmarker} There is some inconsistency already in {disfmarker} ec existing in {disfmarker} between remote controls , but I think standard kind of um shapeand uh play and those kind of but buttons like the the top right for on and off or something ,Project Manager: Right , okay . Yeah .User Interface: I think , peoplefind that important,'cause then it's easy to use .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: And we've got some pictures of some uh new remote controls toshow you .Project Manager: Excellent .User Interface: Do I press Escape F_ five ? Or just {disfmarker}Project Manager: Uh no just escape should uh{disfmarker}User Interface: Escape , okay . Um , oh I still haven't got my glasses on . Yeah , okay . So these are the {disfmarker} some of the pictures ofexisting ones .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Wow .User Interface: I'll just walk you through them . This one is a voice recognition .ProjectManager: 'Kay .User Interface: And that's the kind of idea we're going for .Project Manager: Looks pretty complicated .User Interface: There's um an L_C_D_thing , which we thought could {disfmarker} I thought could get a bit confusing and a bit expensive as well for us .Project Manager: Right , okay .User Interface:This one is {disfmarker} got a kind of scroll like a mouse ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm , like the middle button .User Interface: which {disfmarker} Yeah .ProjectManager: Okay .User Interface: Um and {disfmarker} But I'm not exactly sure how you'd use that ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Ah it'skinda like scrolling {disfmarker}User Interface: like would the computer come {disfmarker}Project Manager: uh right , well , if I s if I'm thinking of the right one ,I've got the same thing in front of my monitor , you scroll it and the when you reach the sort of um {vocalsound} menu item that you require , you press themiddle of the scroll .User Interface: Uh-huh , that's like the L_C_D_ one ,Project Manager: Right , okay .User Interface: is it ? But the one below that has got like{vocalsound} a little scroll function on the side . But I presume that the functions must come up on the T_V_ screen .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .ProjectManager: Yeah , presumably .User Interface: I think that's what that is . So these are just a few ideas . Again that's just quite boring shape , grey , looks quitespace-agey , but too many buttons , I think on that one .Industrial Designer: Uh it looks threatening .Project Manager: Yeah , looks like uh looks like somethingout of a jet . {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah , it does look kind of dangerous .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} It looks like yeah {gap} .Marketing: Hmm.User Interface: Um this one I thought was really cool . It's w it's got the programmability function that we talked about .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}UserInterface: You can put it in there , it's for your kids , and it's quite an organic shape and the little circle around there is pretty cool .Project Manager: Okay .User"}
{"doc_id":"doc_191","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay . Uh first of all I'll start with the costs ,Marketing: {gap} .Project Manager: because that's going to influence our design .User Interface:{vocalsound} Oh no .Marketing: Oh , {gap} . {vocalsound}Project Manager: If you {disfmarker} Don't know if you al already had a look or not ?User Interface:No n I I already did it .Industrial Designer: Did you do your questionnaire already ?Marketing: No .User Interface: It's not much . It's just one question .ProjectManager: Because we have a problem .Industrial Designer: Uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Oh . {vocalsound}Project Manager: If you look closely , you can see .UserInterface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: It wants {disfmarker}Project Manager: Um I already took the liberty to make some suggestions . {gap} . {gap} .{vocalsound} At the moment we have fifteen buttons , one L_C_D_ screen , one advanced chip-on-print . We use a uh sensor , that's for the speech . Uh we usekinetic energy . And we wanted uh the buttons in a special colour . Okay . What's the first thing we should drop ? The special colour of the buttons ?UserInterface: No that's that's for the trendy uh feel and look . So {disfmarker}Project Manager: Okay . Uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah but everything is.Project Manager: Should we switch to a hand dynamo ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh that's the still the same idea as the kinetic energybecause you have to use it and do things .Marketing: No .User Interface: Yeah , b but {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah but young people like that .Project Manager:Batteries ?Marketing: So just do normal battery .Project Manager: Batteries .User Interface: I think the battery option .Industrial Designer: Just a normal batterythen , yeah .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: {gap} .Marketing: It has to be twelve and a half .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Or not ? {vocalsound}UserInterface: Oh . {vocalsound}Project Manager: So {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Oh my goodness .Project Manager: You're going to redesign something.Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Oh no .Project Manager: Okay , so we're at twenty five .Marketing: Uh , yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound} Um {disfmarker} Do we keep the shape doubly curved or g do we go for single curved ?Industrial Designer: Well I guess i we'll have to go forsingle curve then . I mean we have to drop on everything .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker}Marketing: But we can keep it singlecurved with uh top view still curved , but from the side it's it's flat ,Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: and the screen screen is just {disfmarker} Well you justhave to hold it like this then . So {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Yeah . Um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: How about {disfmarker} Sorry .ProjectManager: Uh another option I saw was to drop the buttons one through nine , so you can't directly access a channel , but instead use only the up and downarrows . That would skip nine buttons and four and a half Euros .Industrial Designer: That's what I was thinking .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Alright .ProjectManager: Yeah ?Industrial Designer: A aMarketing: Let's do it then . Yeah .Project Manager: Uh then we have left {disfmarker}User Interface: But we don't haveany basic options any more .Marketing: {gap} we {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh yeah . We do .Industrial Designer: And uh 'cause then theydon't have to n They don't need special colour as well .Marketing: F_ eight .Project Manager: They don't need special colours . Fine . That's more like it.Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} You were saying something .Industrial Designer: That was exactlymy point . Like let's drop all the buttons , and just make oneProject Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: {disfmarker} I mean we're gonna use the L_C_D_screen anyway . So we'll just have to use it for everything .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Yeah .Industrial Designer: And then you can make an overview ofchannels in the screen , and select a channel , click {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah , some more menu options . Yeah . Okay so maybe we can drop few morebuttons .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: But um {disfmarker} Now let's look .User Interface: Yeah we c could {disfmarker} We only need thethe the the the menu arrow arrow button uh thing . Everything you can do with with the menu . So {disfmarker} With the display .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Yeah we need one integrated button for everything then .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Thejoystick .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah . Kind of . I was {disfmarker} Because {disfmarker}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah , scroll-wheel , push-button uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah . If you if you go to {disfmarker}Marketing:Integrated scroll-wheel push-button , yeah .Industrial Designer: If you go to our uh view , like you {disfmarker} if you are in the sound system there , uh andyou wanna adjust the treble for instance ,Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah .Industrial Designer: this is just uh an example ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .IndustrialDesigner: y y you wanna see a bar on which you can adjust it from zero to ten for example .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: But youwant a sound preview of how it's gonna sound ,Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: right ? So you wanna click on it , activate it , whe and when you moveit , hear the difference of the treble coming out or going into the sound .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: So you'll you'll need a a kind of a joystick uhbutton .Marketing: Yeah or or the integrated scroll-wheel push-button .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: So that's kind of on your mouse and then you canclick it , adjust it , click again and then you're out of it .Industrial Designer: Exactly .Marketing: But you still {disfmarker} But you then still need to have{disfmarker} Well you can use the scroll-wheel as well for um maybe for the channels . But you still um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah it's r Yeah.Marketing: You still have to have some some button in the menu to go back .User Interface: So you do one inte You can do one integrated scroll-wheelpush-button .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: And then just drop all the other buttons .Project Manager: Uh yeah .Marketing: Well not all .User Interface: But butth the cost of one integrated button is far more than a few extra push-buttons .Marketing: Not s not sound I guess .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} No .ProjectManager: Yeah . It's uh {disfmarker} One integrated button is five times the cost of a normal button .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah .Marketing:Mm .Project Manager: So {disfmarker}User Interface: So we have to to make it s uh more uh {disfmarker} It has to be {disfmarker}Project Manager: You couldalso drop j three more of these , without losing much functionality . You just drop the Okay and the Back .Marketing: Yeah . Wh wh what what what is the what isthe uh sample sensor sample speaker ?Project Manager: Oh , that's for the speech .Marketing: Speech recognition .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Coulddrop the speech recognition . {vocalsound}Marketing: Right .Project Manager: S s Drop speech recognition ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} No but{disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah that's possible . {vocalsound}User Interface: We we dIndustrial Designer: Yeah it's it's expensive , but uh we neverconsidered the possibilities of uh speech recognition . 'Cause it can take the function of a lot of uh uh buttons .Project Manager: Buttons .Marketing: Buttons.Project Manager: That's not very easy to use .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: IMarketing: No , it can be disturbed by by noise andIndustrial Designer:No .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah but lets just say that the speech recognition works .Marketing: stuff like that . Let let let me seewhat's more what's more popular . I guess the the screen was more popular than um than the speech recognition .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: I have to lookon that . Let me see . {vocalsound} Uh well no I was wrong .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: There are more people who like speech recognition thanan L_C_D_ screen .Project Manager: Yep . Okay . Because if you d lose the L_C_D_ screen , we {vocalsound} need a lot of {disfmarker}Marketing: But if it{disfmarker} {vocalsound} But it it {disfmarker} it's a it's a both a hypersUser Interface: We lose our whole concept .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Uhso {disfmarker} No we just {disfmarker}Project Manager: We need a lot of extra buttons .Marketing: No , but {disfmarker}User Interface: We keep the L_C_D_.Marketing: Well we Yeah we keep the screen . I mean it's it's about the same . Eight one to ninety one percent , uh sixty six to seventy six .Project Manager:OkayIndustrial Designer: We uh we we haven't really integrated this {disfmarker} the speech into the system ,Project Manager: so we drop the speech .IndustrialDesigner: so we can might as well s drop that . {gap}Project Manager: And drop it yeah ?User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah . Let's drop the speech .ProjectManager: Okay . S Fo Four less Euros . So we still have three and a half Euro to lose .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Sixteen Euros .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} We need to lose some buttons .Marketing: But y yProject Manager: Yeah if you lose the the Back , the Okay button {disfmarker} Uh v let's say weonly have the four arrows , and the Menu button .Marketing: Yeah . Yeah .Project Manager: Then you're {disfmarker}Marketing: And then and then use um{disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh and the power button we have also .Marketing: The the {disfmarker} Okay . And the menu button does alsodoes the okay function then .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: And then when you in the menu {disfmarker}Project Manager: So that's one Euro .Marketing: Sso so you activate the menu .User Interface: If we do uh two integrated scroll-wheel push-buttons , we can drop all the the push-buttons .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah ? And {gap} {disfmarker}User Interface: With with one uh integrated button we can uh do the whole menu thing . With the other , wecan do the the channel , the volume , et cetera .Marketing: Yeah yeah . {vocalsound} Yeah . {gap} .Project Manager: That would save zero point two Euroscompared to {disfmarker} No .User Interface: No it's three Euros . No ? Um {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah . To This together is more expensive than{disfmarker} Oof , it's almost the same as t keeping this .User Interface: No it's it's n Yeah . Yeah yeah yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: And we can dropthese two .Marketing: Well okay .User Interface: It's the {disfmarker}Marketing: For example if you have f f four buttons , {vocalsound} channel up and down ,uh volume left right {disfmarker}Project Manager: Volume .Marketing: Okay , I've {disfmarker} I think we have to keep that .Project Manager: And the powerbutton .Marketing: And then {disfmarker} and the power button . So that's five .Project Manager: That's the basic .Marketing: That's basic . That that's what you"}
{"doc_id":"doc_192","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay . Oh , that's not gonna work . {vocalsound} Oh , alright . {vocalsound} Okay . Okay . Um alright .Marketing: Uh , uh , um .ProjectManager: I'll just put that there . Uh as you all know we're here to create a brand new fantastic remote . Uh I'm Nick Debusk , I'm the Project Manager . Uh we'lljust get started with everyone kind of letting each other know who they are and what you're doing , what your what your role is um . Go ahead .Marketing: Okay. {vocalsound} I am Corinne Whiting and I will be the Marketing Expert and in each of the three phases I will have a different role . In the function design phase Iwill be talking about user requirement specification , and this means what needs and desires are to be fulfilled , and I'll be doing research to figure this out . Inthe conceptual design phase I will be dealing with trend watching and I'll be doing marketing research on the web . And then finally in the um detailed designphase I will be doing product evaluation and so I will be collecting the requirements and ranking all the requirements to see how we did .Project Manager: 'Kay.User Interface: Hiya , I'm Ryan . Um I'm the User Interface Designer . Um likewise I've three different roles for each stage of design . Um the functional design islooking at the tex technical functions of a remote control . Um in the concept design , the user interface , how the user reacts with the the product . And thedetailed design um {vocalsound} sort of like the user interface design , what they might be looking for , uh things like fashions , what makes wha how we'regonna make it special . That's about it .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Right . {vocalsound} I'm Manuel and I'm the Industrial Designer in in this project um .In the functional design phase I'm {disfmarker} I'll be dealing mostly with the requirements , um we'll discuss what the prog what functions the the product hasto fulfil and so and so on . Um I suppose we'll work pretty much together on that one . Um um in the conceptual design um I'll be pro mostly dealing withproperties and materials um of our product .User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: And uh the detailed design {disfmarker} in the detailed design I'll beconcerned with the look and feel of the product itself , um so we're pretty much working together obviously on the design front here . Okay . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Okay . Um so we've got our opening , our our agenda is the opening , uh acquaintance which we've kinda done . Uh tool training , project plandiscussion and then closing .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh grand total of twenty five minutes we have here . Um sowe are putting together a new remote control . Um we want it to be something original . Um of course we're a {disfmarker} not only a electronics company but afashion um conscious electronics company , so we want it to be trendy um and we want it to be easy to use . {vocalsound} Um we've got the functional design ,conceptual design and detailed design um which basically is is the three of you um . And w uh {vocalsound} well um functional design um . Um do we have{disfmarker} um any ideas of of {disfmarker} {vocalsound} maybe d let's just throw out some ideas of what kind of remote control we want to have , and thenwe can go into how we're gonna design it and and how we're gonna do the detailing on it .User Interface: Yeah . Well uh s function of remote control is just just{disfmarker} you know , change channels is its main function .Project Manager: So we want it to be um a T_V_ remote or {disfmarker} I I mean do we want it toto do other things besides just be a a television remote ?User Interface: Oh right . I suppose you c try make it a universal remoteProject Manager: 'Kay .UserInterface: for {disfmarker} could work on all sort of electrical products in in one person's house . But , you know , they all sorta have the same role changingchannels , volumes and then programming .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Mm-hmm . 'Kay .Industrial Designer: Mm .UserInterface: I think they all work on the same prin principle as well sorta like {disfmarker} I don't actually know . {gap} But is it just infra-red ? Is that standard?Project Manager: I I think {disfmarker} yeah , yeah , r universal remote .User Interface: Ye yeah .Project Manager: Um this is my first uh go-round withcreating a remote control ,Marketing: Huh . {vocalsound}Project Manager: so {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound} Ours too . {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} I think we're all in the same boat here . {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker}User Interface: Um one thing I thought ofwith the remote control is you always lose 'em .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: So if there's a g a way of finding it quite easily , I thought that'd be quitegood quite a good feature .Marketing: Mm . ChProject Manager: So we should we should set our remote control up to where it has a uhMarketing: Like a trackingdevice ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: like a tracking device or or like a a {disfmarker}User Interface: Oh you can get those key {disfmarker} well you couldwhistle or make a noiseProject Manager: It makes a noise ,User Interface: and it'd beep .Project Manager: there's a button on the T_V_ that you pressIndustrialDesigner: Mm , mm .Project Manager: and {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: Right .Project Manager: 'Kay .Marketing: Begood .Industrial Designer: So {disfmarker}User Interface: Generally , all remotes are sort of quite similar in their appearance .Project Manager: Yeah . Do wewant {disfmarker}User Interface: Just long .Project Manager: so they're kinda like long and rectangular .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: Dowe want something crazy ?User Interface: Black usually .Project Manager: You know , we want something new that's gonna stand out .User Interface: Yeah.Marketing: Lot more modern .Project Manager: A m a modern {disfmarker} so our remote should be {disfmarker}User Interface: I think so . Maybe sortaspherical or something . A ball .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Maybe like user-friendly , like a littleUser Interface: Yeah .Marketing: you know ,where you can use both hands , like a little keyboard type thing .User Interface: People {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Mm .User Interface: I thought maybe ,because people always tend to throw a remote control about the place to one another {disfmarker} if it was in a ball ,Project Manager: 'Kay .User Interface: andmaybe the actual controls are inside or something .Marketing: Mm .Project Manager: Um .Industrial Designer: Well there are of course certain restrictions , youcan't have it be any form and fulfil all functions at the same time ,User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: so there are always the {disfmarker} somerestrictions we have to apply here . Um however um one question is how stable is that thing supposed to be , that refers to the material , pretty much um . Whatare we gonna build that thing out of ?Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: How sturdy is it gonna be ? Do we want it to last longer or rather have people whatever, have to buy one every half a year ?Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay so {disfmarker} yeah , so we want it to be sturdy ,User Interface: Yeah .ProjectManager: we want it to to hold up to somebody's child , you know , throwing it across the room or , as you said , people kinda throw it , so ball-shaped , uh youknow , if it were ball-shaped maybe ,User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: then it {disfmarker}User Interface: It could be cased on the outside and t everythingcould be inside .Project Manager: 'Kay . Um so we want it to be modern , fun , sturdy , um {disfmarker} So our form and our function . Um we want it to be umeasy to find . {vocalsound} Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} What else {disfmarker} it {disfmarker} what else do we want it to to do ? So we want it to beuniversal . It's something that we're supposed to sell for about twenty five Euros um and you know , goals for profits are I think somewhere around uh fiftymillion Euros , what they wanna make on it , so .Marketing: Mm . Also since we're partners of the International Remote Control Association , maybe we wannamake it something that would globally appeal .Project Manager: 'Kay .Marketing: That's more on the research end , but {disfmarker} the marketing .ProjectManager: So marketing , you know , how {disfmarker} maybe uh marketing , you could s find out what is the most universally um appealing {vocalsound}remote control out there .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: And maybe as far as design goes , maybe we could havedifferent ones for different target audiences ,Project Manager: 'Kay .Marketing: 'cause maybe one won't apply to all of the countries we're targeting .UserInterface: Ye Small .Industrial Designer: Right .Project Manager: Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Do you guys have any ideas for what it should look like ? Maybewe could draw it up on the on the board over there . Some ideas ? We want it to be a b a ball ,User Interface: {gap} I'd {disfmarker} I could draw sorta the ballidea .Project Manager: you know , we'll draw up we'll draw up the ball and maybe th um where the buttons are located .User Interface: My original idea was justsimply sort of a sphere , where maybe you {disfmarker} this is where it's connected together , and then when you open it out , it could fol it could be maybe flip ,like a flip phone , and then when you fold it out the middle {disfmarker} Maybe a hinge that'll have to be the strongest part of it . If that {disfmarker} if we diduse a hinge , or if it was just two parts ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: and then you'd have just sorta you you you know , your buttons . Thingis inside I think , sometimes remotes have too many buttons , so maybe as simple as possible , um as few buttons inside as possible . Um , I dunno , what's theidea for . Just something {disfmarker} maybe if you ha if it had like if some kind of like light or something or lights around it . It's looking a bit like something outof Star Wars at the moment though , to be fair .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} But yeah .Marketing:Futuristic . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: That was that was a sorta simple idea I hadProject Manager: Uh-huh .User Interface:and then you know you could {gap} about {disfmarker} Right , it would almost be like a ball . So that was just just an idea I had . I don't know whether anybodyelse has other ideas ?Industrial Designer: Right . One problem you'd get with this design is um {disfmarker} the ball is a nice idea because of it's stability really,User Interface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: but of course , since it's a ball , it'll roll , so we'd have to have it flat on one side at least , down here somewhere ,UserInterface: Yeah . Maybe f yeah .Industrial Designer: take away that part . That's one of the big issues . Also also you risk the hinges here . That's that's um aproblem .User Interface: Yeah , that's g that's a good idea . Yeah . The idea {disfmarker} it didn't have to necessarily be f a hinge ,Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} That's that's {vocalsound} interesting of course ,User Interface: that was just one idea though .Industrial Designer: but that's of course a weak"}
{"doc_id":"doc_193","qid":"","text":"Gareth Rogers: Good morning, and welcome to today's meeting of the Children, Young People and Education Committee. Unfortunately, the Chair is unable toattend today, so in accordance with Standing Order 17.22 I call for nominations for a temporary Chair for the duration of today's meeting.Julie Morgan AM: Inominate John Griffiths.Gareth Rogers: Thank you.Darren Millar AM: I'll second that nomination.Gareth Rogers: As there's only one nomination, I declare thatJohn Griffiths has been appointed as temporary Chair. Thank you, John.John Griffiths AM: Okay. Thank you all very much, and item 1 on our agenda today isintroductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest. We've received apologies from Hefin David and Lynne Neagle. There are no substitutions. Arethere any declarations of interest? No. We will move on then to item 2, and our inquiry into the impact of Brexit on higher and further education, and our firstevidence session. I'm very pleased to welcome the Higher Education Funding Council for Wales here today, and Dr David Blaney as chief executive, and BethanOwen, director of institutional engagement. Welcome to you both. Thanks for coming along to give evidence today. If it's okay with you, we'll move straight toquestions, and Julie Morgan.Julie Morgan AM: Good morning. Bore da. I wondered if we could start off with you telling us what evidence you can see that theBrexit process has had any impact on Welsh higher education so far.Dr David Blaney: Can I preface the response by just reminding you that we are, by contractand by role, apolitical, and a lot of the judgments about the impact of Brexit essentially reflect where people sit politically in terms of whether they think it's agood thing or a bad thing? We're not going to go there, obviously, today, so we'll stick to the facts as we can see them, and hopefully we'll be able to help you,but there are areas where we are unable to help. That's part of the reason.John Griffiths AM: We certainly do not expect you to enter the political fray in anyway.Dr David Blaney: Thank you. But even in terms of your assessment of whether this is going to be a good thing or a bad thing, a good impact or a bad impact,some of that inevitably in the end becomes a matter of your politics on it, so we will be as careful as we can be on that. In terms of the impact of Brexit on highereducation, clearly, the significance here is about the contribution that higher education can make to Wales. So, we fund provision; we don't fund providers,technically, although obviously there's not much provision without providers. So, we are interested in the sustainability of higher education providers, butfundamentally the issue is: what does the HE system in Wales do for Wales, and what impact might Brexit have on the capacity of the system to continue todeliver for Wales? So, we know that universities make annually about £5 billion of impact; 50,000 jobs. Of course, in Wales, all of that economic impact is reallyvery significant, and uncertainty about the relationships and the arrangements with Europe is one of the most significant issues confronting universitymanagement at the moment. That has an impact in a number of ways. We can identify at the moment the extent to which the HE sector in Wales is exposed tosources of income that are located from the EU, so EU students, structural funds, and EU research funding, and so on, from the EU. We can identify some of that,but, actually, what happens in the future is much harder to be clear about. We are beginning to see some impact in terms of applications from EU students and I'llask Bethan to share some details on that in a moment. We're also beginning to pick up, only anecdotally, some signs that there are increasing difficulties in theUK sector, and the Welsh sector as part of that, in playing in some of the EU collaborative research activities. And that, I think, just reflects the extent to whichEU partners consider that British partners might be a stable partner as we go through this transition period. We don't have data on that—that's anecdotal—butthere are signs that some of those relationships are beginning to become a little bit more difficult. In terms of the financial impact of that, clearly, if it is acceptedthat the UK is a net contributor to the EU then, presumably, some of the money—we're almost immediately straight into politics if you're not careful—but some ofthe money will be available back to the UK, and the extent to which Wales benefits or not from that returned money is a function of the political relationshipbetween the Welsh Government and Her Majesty's Government. It's not necessarily the case that Wales will always lose out in that relationship, but that willbecome a matter of politics. There's a broader dimension, which is about the economic impact of Brexit on the UK economy and how much tax revenue there isand all of that. I think it's very hard for us to be definitive about how that's going to play out. I think that depends on the deal and how it all unfolds over the nextseveral years. But we can certainly anticipate some turbulence and exactly how that plays for institutions remains to be seen. We can touch later on on the extentto which they are sighted on this and preparing for it. So, in terms of recruitment, Bethan.Bethan Owen: This is based on the UCAS applications and the reportthat was published at the end of June, 30 June. The European Union-domiciled applicants to Wales have decreased by 8 per cent, which contrasts with a 2 percent increase for English institutions, and non-EU—so international students, not from Europe—have also decreased by 9 per cent to Welsh institutions, againcontrasting with a 7 per cent increase in England. So, those are the signs of changes.John Griffiths AM: Okay. Could I then just ask you what you see as the mainpressures on the Welsh higher education sector at the moment?Bethan Owen: The funding position would be the main pressure. The recommendations made bySir Ian Diamond in his review of higher education funding and student finance are in the process of being implemented, and the changes to the student financearrangements will take effect from this September. However, the recommendations for re-establishing funding at Welsh institutions are expected to take quite abit longer. That funding, when it returns to institutions, is intended to re-establish funding for higher cost provision, both full time and part time; reinstate fundingfor innovation; and maintain, at the very least, the research funding in real terms. Universities, in the meantime, are trying to minimise the cost reductions thatthey're making in order to maintain the infrastructure, so that when the funding comes they can get the best value out of it. We have announced our fundingallocations for 2018-19. For the research and teaching grant, though, we are still funding at a lower level—£12.5 million less—then the starting point for theDiamond report, the 2015-16 starting report. But we expect to be able to start introducing funding from 2019-20 to make a start on implementing Diamond. Andit's probably important to note that the Diamond recommendations predated Brexit, therefore the challenges introduced by Brexit are in addition to those that theDiamond report was addressing. The other pressures relate to student recruitment. I mentioned the EU and international students. There is also the start of areduction, both in Welsh-domiciled and English-domiciled applications to Wales. Enrolments are obviously the key important number, which we'll see later. Andthe other pressures include pay and pension costs, not least the issues around the universities superannuation scheme pension fund, where there's potentially asignificant increase in cost. Increased student expectations for modern facilities and infrastructure bring a requirement for capital expenditure and borrowing,which bring their own pressures. And finally, the uncertainty about potential consequences that could arise from the review in England of fees and funding—theAugar review.John Griffiths AM: In terms of European Union students and enrolment, is Wales forecast to do less well than England and, if so, why might thatbe?Bethan Owen: They are not forecasting it. It's very difficult until the enrolments are made, and it's also very hard to see—the data that we see is theUCAS data. Institutions also recruit directly, so until we see the actual recruitment—. I think the arrangements that have changed from 2018-19 also impact onEU students. So, now, they have to find the full fee, whereas previously they were getting the grant in the same way as Welsh students. So, I'm speculating thatthat might be having an impact as well on EU students' appetite to come.John Griffiths AM: Okay. First of all Llyr, then Mark.Llyr Gruffydd AM: Well, that'sstraight into what I was going to ask, really, about what you think the factors are that led to this 8 per cent or 9 per cent drop in EU students applying to study inWales, where we see a 2 per cent increase in England. Is that it, or are there other things that you've taken into account? What's your assessment of the reasonsbehind this?Dr David Blaney: It's very difficult to be definitive about the reasons, but I think there are probably two. The one that Bethan has already indicated,which is the change in student support arrangements for EU students, will have an effect of perturbation. That's probably relatively temporary—let's hope it is—asthat settles down because, actually, the deal for EU students coming into Wales is no worse than that coming into England. Ours would be better because the feelevel is slightly lower, but we do struggle in Wales in terms of the Anglocentric nature of the media and so on. So, getting the messages out is a challenge. Theother dimension is that when you're in a highly competitive recruitment market, you have to do what you can to look attractive. Part of that is about being able toinvest in facilities, and particularly buildings and kit, and the relative levels of investment between Wales and England over quite a long period of time nowprobably have an impact on that. Certainly, anecdotally I know, from my own family, that a lot of the choices have been made in terms of the state of repair ofcampuses and so on. There's something rational about that, isn't there? If you've got a system that is relatively better invested, then you're likely to have abetter student experience because the resources are likely to be better. So, that's not irrational. We saw a sort of similar but opposite effect when the £9,000 feemaximum limit came in, and some institutions, mostly in England—there was one in Wales—chose to pitch their fee levels really quite low, relative to that £9,000,and caught a cold in the student recruitment market because fee levels denote quality in the student mind. So, the price sensitivities work quite differently. So,again, if you've got a relatively better invested part of the system, then that might well be one of the reasons why it looks more attractive.Llyr Gruffydd AM: Thatlatter factor would affect the whole of the cohort, not just the international recruitment, of course.Dr David Blaney: Indeed. Yes, indeed. The implementation ofthe Diamond recommendations is crucial to that because that's re-balancing where the policy of investment goes.John Griffiths AM: Okay. And Mark.MarkReckless AM: If I heard you correctly earlier, you said that the applications from non-EU students were also down by 8 per cent or 9 per cent. So, forgive me a"}
{"doc_id":"doc_194","qid":"","text":"Grad B: what things to talk about .Grad F: I 'm {disfmarker} What ? Really ? Oh , that 's horrible ! Disincentive !Grad A: OK , we 're recording .Grad F: Hello?Grad B: Check check {pause} check check .Grad D: Uh , yeah .Grad F: Hello ? Which am I ?Professor C: Oh right .Grad B: Alright . Good .Grad F: Channel fi OK .OK . Are you doing something ? OK , then I guess I 'm doing something . So , um , So basically the result of m much thinking since the last time we met , um ,but not as much writing , um , is a sheet that I have a lot of , like , thoughts and justification of comments on but I 'll just pass out as is right now . So , um , here. If you could pass this around ? And there 's two things . And so one on one side is {disfmarker} on one side is a sort of the revised sort of updated semanticspecification .Grad D: Um {disfmarker} The {disfmarker} wait .Grad F: And the other side is , um , sort of a revised construction formalism .Grad E: This is justone sheet , right ?Grad D: Ah ! Just one sheet .Grad F: It 's just one sheet .Grad D: OK .Grad F: It 's just a {disfmarker} Nothing else .Grad D: Front , back .GradF: Um , Enough to go around ? OK . And in some ways it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} it 's very similar to {disfmarker} There are very few changes in someways from what we 've , um , uh , b done before but I don't think everyone here has seen all of this . So , uh , I 'm not sure where to begin . Um , as usual thedisclaimers are there are {disfmarker} all these things are {disfmarker} it 's only slightly more stable than it was before .Grad E: Mm - hmm .Grad F: And , um ,after a little bit more discussion and especially like Keith and I {disfmarker} I have more linguistic things to settle in the next few days , um , it 'll probablychange again some more .Grad E: Yeah .Grad F: Um , maybe I will {disfmarker} let 's start b let 's start on number two actually on the notation , um , becausethat 's , I 'm thinking , possibly a little more familiar to , um {disfmarker} to people . OK , so the top block is just sort of a {disfmarker} sort of abstract nota it 'ssort of like , um , listings of the kinds of things that we can have . And certain things that have , um , changed , have changed back to this . There {disfmarker}there 's been a little bit of , um , going back and forth . But basically obviously all constructions have some kind of name . I forgot to include that you could havea type included in this line .Professor C: What I was gonna {disfmarker} Right .Grad F: So something like , um {disfmarker} Well , there 's an example{disfmarker} the textual example at the end has clausal construction . So , um , just to show it doesn't have to be beautiful It could be , you know , simple oldtext as well . Um , there are a couple of {disfmarker} Uh , these three have various ways of doing certain things . So I 'll just try to go through them . So theycould all have a type at the beginning . Um , and then they say the key word constructionProfessor C: Oh , I see .Grad F: and they have some name .Professor C:So {disfmarker} so the current syntax is if it s if there 's a type it 's before constructGrad F: Yeah , right .Professor C: OK , that 's fine .Grad F: OK , and then ithas a block that is constituents . And as usual I guess all the constructions her all the examples here have only , um , tsk {comment} one type of constituent ,that is a constructional constituent . I think that 's actually gonna turn out to m be certainly the most common kind . But in general instead of the word \"construct \" , th here you might have \" meaning \" or \" form \" as well . OK ? So if there 's some element that doesn't {disfmarker} that isn't yet constructional inthe sense that it maps form and meaning . OK , um , the main change with the constructs which {disfmarker} each of which has , um , the key word \" construct \"and then some name , and then some type specification , is that it 's {disfmarker} it 's pro it 's often {disfmarker} sometimes the case in the first case here thatyou know what kind of construction it is . So for example whatever I have here is gonna be a form of the word \" throw \" , or it 's gonna be a form of the word ,you know , I don't know , \" happy \" , or something like that . Or , you know , some it 'll be a specific word or maybe you 'll have the type . You 'll say \" I need a puh spatial relation phrase here \" or \" I need a directional specifier here \" . So - uh you could have a j a actual type here . Um , or you could just say in the secondcase that you only know the meaning type . So a very common example of this is that , you know , in directed motion , the first person to do something should bean agent of some kind , often a human . Right ? So if I {disfmarker} you know , the um , uh , run down the street then I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I run downthe street , it 's typed , uh , \" I \" , meaning category is what 's there . The {disfmarker} the new kind is this one that is sort of a pair and , um , sort of skippingfonts and whatever . The idea is that sometimes there are , um , general constructions that you know , that you 're going to need . It 's {disfmarker} it 's theequivalent of a noun phrase or a prepositional phrase , or something like that there .Grad E: Mm - hmm .Grad F: And usually it has formal um , considerationsthat will go along with it .Professor C: Mm - hmm .Grad F: And then uh , you might know something much more specific depending on what construction you 'retalking about , about what meaning {disfmarker} what specific meaning you want . So the example again at the bottom , which is directed motion , you mightneed a nominal expression to take the place of , you know , um , \" the big th \" , you you know , \" the big {disfmarker} the tall dark man \" , you know , \" walkedinto the room \" .Grad E: Mm - hmm .Grad F: But because of the nature of this particular construction you know not just that it 's nominal of some kind but inparticular , that it 's some kind of animate nominal , and which will apply just as well to like , you know , a per you know , a simple proper noun or to somecomplicated expression . Um , so I don't know if the syntax will hold but something that gives you a way to do both constructional and meaning types . So . OK ,then I don't think the , {comment} um {disfmarker} at least {disfmarker} Yeah . {comment} None of these examples have anything different for formalconstraints ? But you can refer to any of the , um , sort of available elements and scope , right ? which here are the constructs , {comment} to say somethingabout the relation . And I think i if you not if you compare like the top block and the textual block , um , we dropped like the little F subscript . The F subscriptsrefer to the \" form \" piece of the construct .Professor C: Good .Grad F: And I think that , um , in general it 'll be unambiguous . Like if you were giving a formalconstraint then you 're referring to the formal pole of that . So {disfmarker} so by saying {disfmarker} if I just said \" Name one \" then that means name oneformal and we 're talking about formal struc {comment} Which {disfmarker} which makes sense . Uh , there are certain times when we 'll have an exception tothat , in which case you could just indicate \" here I mean the meaningful for some reason \" . Right ? Or {disfmarker} Actually it 's more often that , only to handlethis one special case of , you know , \" George and Jerry walk into the room in that order \" .Grad E: Mm - hmm .Grad F: So we have a few funny things wheresomething in the meaning might refer to something in the form . But {disfmarker} but s we 're not gonna really worry about that for right now and there are wayWe can be more specific if we have to later on . OK , and so in terms of the {disfmarker} the relations , you know , as usual they 're before and ends . I shouldhave put an example in of something that isn't an interval relation but in form you might also have a value binding . You know , you could say that , um , youknow , \" name - one dot \" , t you know , \" number equals \" , you know , a plural or something like that .Grad E: Mm - hmm .Grad F: There are certain things thatare attribute - value , similar to the bindings below but I mean they 're just {disfmarker} us usually they 're going to be value {disfmarker} value fillers , right ?OK , and then again semantic constraints here are just {disfmarker} are just bindings . There was talk of changing the name of that . And Johno and I{disfmarker} I {disfmarker} you {disfmarker} you and I can like fight about that if you like ? but about changing it to \" semantic {pause} n effects \" , which Ithought was a little bit too order - biasedGrad B: Well {disfmarker} ThGrad F: and \" semantic bindings \" , which I thought might be too restrictive in case wedon't have only bindings . And so it was an issue whether constraints {disfmarker} um , there were some linguists who reacted against \" constraints \" , saying , \"oh , if it 's not used for matching , then it shouldn't be called a constraint \" . But I think we want to be uncommitted about whether it 's used for matching or not .Right ? Cuz there are {disfmarker} I think we thought of some situations where it would be useful to use whatever the c bindings are , for actual , you know , sortof like modified constraining purposes .Professor C: Well , you definitely want to de - couple the formalism from the parsing strategy . So that whether or not it 'sused for matching or only for verification , I {disfmarker}Grad E: Yeah .Grad F: Yeah , yeah . It 's used shouldn't matter , right ? Mm - hmm .Professor C: s Forsure . I mean , I don't know what , uh , term we want to useGrad F: Mm - hmm .Professor C: but we don't want to {disfmarker}Grad F: Yeah , uh , there was onetime when {disfmarker} when Hans explained why \" constraints \" was a misleading word for him .Professor C: Yep .Grad F: And I think the reason that he gavewas similar to the reason why Johno thought it was a misleading term , which was just an interesting coincidence . Um , but , uh {disfmarker} And so I was like ,\" OK , well both of you don't like it ?Professor C: It 's g it 's gone .Grad F: Fine , we can change it \" . But I {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I 'm starting to like itagain .Grad B: But {disfmarker}Grad F: So that that 's why {disfmarker} {comment} That 's why I 'll stick with it .Grad A: Well , you know what ?Grad F: So{disfmarker}Grad A: If you have an \" if - then \" phrase , do you know what the \" then \" phrase is called ?Professor C: ThGrad F: What ? Con - uh , a consequent?Grad A: Yeah .Grad F: Yeah , but it 's not an \" if - then \" .Grad A: No , but {disfmarker}Professor C: I know . Anyway , so the other {disfmarker} the otherstrategy you guys could consider is when you don't know what word to put , you could put no word ,Grad F: Mm - hmm .Professor C: just meaning . OK ? And thethen let {disfmarker}Grad E: Yeah .Grad F: Yeah , that 's true .Grad B: So that 's why you put semantic constraints up top and meaning bindings down{disfmarker} down here ?Grad F: Oh , oops ! No . That was just a mistake of cut and paste from when I was going with it .Grad B: OK .Professor C: OK .Grad F:So , I 'm sorry . I didn't mean {disfmarker} that one 's an in unintentional .Grad B: So this should be semantic and {disfmarker}Grad F: Sometimes I 'mintentionally inconsistentGrad B: Grad F: cuz I 'm not sure yet . Here , I actually {disfmarker} it was just a mistake .Grad B: Th - so this definitely should be \"semantic constraints \" down at the bottom ?Grad E: Sure .Grad F: Yeah .Grad B: OK .Grad F: Well , unless I go with \" meaning \" but i I mean , I kind of like \""}
{"doc_id":"doc_195","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay , good morning . This is our first team meeting .User Interface: Good day .Marketing: Morning .Industrial Designer: Morning .ProjectManager: I'll be your Project Manager for today , for this project . My name is Mark {gap} will be giving this presentation for you to kick the project off .{vocalsound} That's my uh that's the agenda for today . Well , of course we're new to each other , so I'd like to get acquainted first . So let's do that first , I mean{disfmarker} Let's start with you , can you introduce yourself ? You're our Marketing Expert .Marketing: Yes . {vocalsound} Um my name is Dirk , Dirk Meinfeld .Um I will be uh {gap} Pr Project {disfmarker} the Marketing Expert . And I will see what the user wants and uh what we can do uh with the new produ project{disfmarker} product . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay , excellent . And you are User Interface {disfmarker}User Interface: Nick Broer ,Project Manager:Yeah .User Interface: User Interface Designer . I'm going to uh look at the technical design from the uh user point of view .Project Manager: Excellent . Okay.Industrial Designer: My name is Xavier Juergens , I'm the Industrial Designer , and there are three main questions that I have to find an answer to today . Firstone is uh what happens inside the apparatus , second is what is uh the apparatus made of ,Marketing: Hmm .Industrial Designer: and the third is what should itlook like .Project Manager: What should it look like ? Okay .Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: Oh , let's kick it off . Oh , there we go . So , our new project isabout {disfmarker} we need design a remote control for television set , so , which has to be original , trendy and user-friendly . I took this off our corporatewebsite . {disfmarker} I think well it sums up what we need to do . It's We're inspired by latest fashion , not only electronics , but also the latest trends in clothesand interior design . That's why our product will always fit in your home . So apparently we need to {vocalsound} um be very at um very open to what's currentlyhot in the market . So that's what you need to do to bring us the latest info and what people want .Marketing: Yeah . Yeah .Project Manager: So {disfmarker} Sowe put the fashion in electronics . So that's what we need to go for . Anyway , we'll take this project in three steps , three pha uh three phase of design . Firststep will be the functional design .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: And that's basically what we're gonna do . Everybody has uh a piece of individual work and ameeting afterwards , so we can share information about {disfmarker} So I'm gonna keep this short , since we had a technical problem . So skip through this . Uh. Okay . Every meeting we {disfmarker} everybody can present their uh their views and everything , so to help with these , you have {disfmarker} we have theSMARTboards here . We can use a regular PowerPoint presentation . I'm supposed to give you an introduction on this doodling board , so it's {disfmarker}actually it's very easy . Like it says , very simple , you just take out the pen . Like you see here , I'll just take the {disfmarker} take {gap} here . That's it , youjust put it on the board . You see a pen here . You go here , just like using a pen . You can just draw whatever you want . It's like the eraser , can erase whateveryou want . And so it will be easy just to illustrate your views , if you wanna change the format , you just {vocalsound} either take out jus just like the pen , andwhatever you want , your current colour , your line width , just to make the line bigger . So it should be really easy .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: This is totake the {disfmarker} just take a new slide and back again . We're just gonna keep using this board all the time , so I think it will be {disfmarker} it's very clearfor everyone , I suppose . So I'll take this out . {vocalsound} Okay . We'll use that later . Anyway . Yeah , just just just stuff that you wanna share , just put it inthe in the project folder , like I put my presentation now . I'll put the the minutes of every meeting , I'll put them there too , so everybody can read up if theyhave to leave early or whatever . So next , been here . {vocalsound} Well , {gap} gonna give the electronic white-board uh a shot . So basic idea is we have ablank sheet . Just try whatever you want , and like it says , draw your favourite animal . I think the creative genius should go first . {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound} The creative genius ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Thank you very much .Project Manager: So , drawus your favourite animal .User Interface: {vocalsound} Well , I'm more into the technical aspects of drawing ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: soI'm not really good at drawing animals ,Project Manager: Draw us a technical animal .User Interface: but uh the animal which I {gap} {disfmarker} Oh .ProjectManager: Yeah , it's still erasing .User Interface: {vocalsound} Pen .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Uh format . Else my animal will be like king-size . Ipretty much like {vocalsound} a dolphin , because of its uh its freedom basically . Let's see . A head . {gap} actually worked with this . It's like uh it's a very{disfmarker} Uh high-tech .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Bit low-responsive though .Project Manager:{vocalsound} So that's what we don't want .User Interface: Prefer pen and paper .Project Manager: We want a high-responsive product . So {disfmarker} Itlooks more like nuclear bomb .Marketing: {vocalsound} Very nice dolphin .User Interface: It {vocalsound} {vocalsound} doesn't look like a nuclear bomb.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: This thing isn't doing what I'm {disfmarker} What I want.Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Let's go easy on it .User Interface: So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Yeah , well it does look like a nuclear bomb .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: I'll just finish up real soon , because I'm {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: Soit doesn't really look like a dolphin ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} Anyway ,User Interface: but then again , this is all new for me .Project Manager: it should{disfmarker} It {disfmarker} It's supposed to be a dolphin , you like the freedom that it {disfmarker} that it represents .Industrial Designer: Uh-huh .UserInterface: Like the ocean , like swimming . Do that in my spare time , so that's basically an {disfmarker}Project Manager: What do you like ? Okay . Well ,UserInterface: Now we can forget this ever happened .Project Manager: our Marketing Expert . Show us an animal .Marketing: Um an animal .Project Manager: {gap}Pick a {disfmarker} pick a {disfmarker}Marketing: I like the elephant . {vocalsound}Project Manager: pick a clean sheet . Oh . Take a clean sheet first.Marketing: What ? Yeah . Um {disfmarker}Project Manager: Just press next . That's it .Marketing: Oh yeah . Oh , a blank . Okay , next . Free , I like the elephant. It's big , it's strong , so uh uh {disfmarker} Oh , it's a little bit {disfmarker}User Interface: It's not really that responsive , no . {vocalsound}Marketing: Youhave to hold it , right ?Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {gap} It's a beautifulanimal .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Oh , you have to p press it pretty hard . With a smile on it ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} It's a cute elephant.User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: it's very important . Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: And uh not to forget its tail . Oh .Project Manager:It's a nice beard .Marketing: Yeah , it's okay . Yes . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: And you was making comments on my dolphin .{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} I will beat the dolphin . {vocalsound} No .Project Manager: Okay , so it's just a bee.Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: So I suggest you make us the elephant in the market . The big and strong player in the market . This would be good.Marketing: Yeah . Yeah .Project Manager: Okay , excellent . On to the next one .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay .Marketing: Uh yeah .IndustrialDesigner: Okay , you should press next .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager: Press next . Yeah , it's up there .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Okay .Project Manager: That's it .Industrial Designer: Okay , well the animal I'd like to draw is a tiger .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: You pickeda hard one , didn't you ? {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: My drawing skills are really bad , so .Marketing: Experience with the tiger .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: What ? They are {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: They are really bad , my drawing skills .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing:Okay uh-huh .Project Manager: Sure looks smooth .Marketing: Oh .Industrial Designer: I'm not sure how the legs should go , but {disfmarker}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh these are stripes .User Interface: Got it . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I've picked this animal because it's very fast . Itis uh it knows exactly what it wants . Uh it hardly ever wastes any resources .Project Manager: What does it want ?Industrial Designer: Uh well , basically uh ithunts for prey , but it does it always in a very well-thought way . Uh it knows exactly what it wants . It never kills an animal uh just for the killing , so it's veryefficient . And it tries to do everything as fast as possible .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: And it always goes for uh security , in seeking uh uh a hidespot and uh and doing everything ,Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: security , speed and efficiency is important . And I think uh those things we can use.Project Manager: I agree .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: , I'm supposed to draw the animal next . Yay I introduce to theworld the amazing ant .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Uh hard worker .Project Manager: Great team-workers .User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Do everything to Uh really small , but together they're really strong . So I'm gonnagive it a smiley face .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Oh .Marketing: Yeah , yeah .Project Manager: Not sure where the p {gap} . Just put 'em here . Whatever. {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Think it need shoes . So {disfmarker}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} I'm justtoo lazy to draw it all black , so {disfmarker} {vocalsound} That's the coolest ant ever .User Interface: You've done this before , haven't you ?{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I love to draw ants . It's my hobby .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Anyway{disfmarker} Nah . {vocalsound} Just {disfmarker} I think it's very representative what we drew , I guess . Like you take {disfmarker} just take your freedomand use a a trendy interface that you design for us .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Just {disfmarker} Yeah . You're supposed to make i make it different fromuh from what other people have , and just make it a little distinct . Anyway . {gap} another beep to stop the meeting . See . Warning . Finish meeting now . Uh"}
{"doc_id":"doc_196","qid":"","text":"Project Manager: Okay . Hi everybody and welcome to our kick-off meeting um for our new product that we're gonna be designing . Um I'm Mandy and I'm theProject Manager . And I know all your names again , Courtney , Fenella and Amber .Marketing: Yep .Project Manager: Alright . Okay ,Industrial Designer: Yep.Project Manager: so first let's go through this PowerPoint . I wonder what button I press ?User Interface: Just do it on the {gap} arrow .Industrial Designer:{gap}Project Manager: Yeah , or how about I just click ? Okay , here is our agenda for this meeting . Um we're gonna start with our opening which was ourintroductions . {vocalsound} We're gonna get to know each other a little bit better . Um tool training , we're going to , I guess , figure out what to do on thisproject with our individual roles . Um we're gonna make a project plan and then have some time for discussion and close up the meeting . Okay , here is ourproject . We're gonna make a new remote control that's um original , trendy and also user-friendly . And how we are going to do it is each of us is going to um{disfmarker} We're gonna have {disfmarker} discuss the functional design first , {vocalsound} how is it gonna be used , what's the actual goal here , it has tooperate T_V_ , blah blah blah . And we're going to do individual work on that and then meet . Same thing with conceptual design . Just the basic overview of theproject and then we're going to do individual work , meet . That's pretty much the the whole process for today . And then the detailed design , just more in-depth, get the actual schematics of the remote . Okay . Alright . First we're gonna start off by using our tools . And the whiteboard thing , do you guys wanna give thata try even though the ink wasn't working or do you wanna do it on here .Industrial Designer: I think we should forgo the whiteboard since we can't actually seewhat we're writing .Marketing: We could {disfmarker} Yeah , we could on here .Project Manager: Alright , let's go forward then .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Um right now so we're all gonna draw our favourite animal and then sum up our favourite characteristics of that animal . Even ifyou are not a good drawer like me .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Alright .Industrial Designer: Artistic skills , nil .User Interface:Fine .Project Manager: Um .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Oh , thanks . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Bless you .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} I draw like I'm in grade five .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Oh do I .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} 'Kay , about one more minute . {vocalsound} Okay .Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . And who would like to start us off ?Marketing: I'll go .Project Manager: Alright .Marketing: {vocalsound} Um this is mypicture . I drew fish {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I like fish , because uh , you know , their whole water-vascular system thing .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: It's pretty cool , and um they've got a pretty good habitat and they are pretty sometimes , sometimes vicious but that's okay .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Only if they're piranhas .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah , they they're easy , you know .Project Manager:Alright .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Who wants to go next ?Industrial Designer: I'll go .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I drew a kitty .It's pretty much impossible to tell that's a cat , but I love cats .Marketing: No I I see it .Project Manager: No , it looks like a cat .User Interface: No , I kne I knew.Marketing: Yeah , it does look like a cat .Industrial Designer: I love cats because they're independent , uh they pretty much know what they want , they get it ,they move on . {vocalsound}Project Manager: I love cats , too . I'm a cat person .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: I'm allergic to cats .Project Manager: Uh.Industrial Designer: I'm allergic to cats , too . {vocalsound}User Interface: Ah .Marketing: {vocalsound} Oh , okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: If you'rearound one {disfmarker}User Interface: In my next life .Project Manager: I had a roommate who was um allergic , but if she was around my cat forever shebecame used to it , you know ,Marketing: Yeah , yeah , if you're around them for a long period of time {disfmarker}Project Manager: it's weird . Okay .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I still can't sleep with them in my room .Marketing: Oh , yeah , this summer I , oh I had to live with cats . It was crazy .ProjectManager: Okay , Fenella ?Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Um , I drew a badger . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Badger . Good choice .Industrial Designer: Yay.Marketing: Cool . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Well , yeah .Project Manager: Why a badger ?User Interface: {vocalsound} Uh I dunno , they'regrumpy and nocturnal and {vocalsound} {gap}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Are you trying to suggest something ?ProjectManager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Well , a little bit like the {disfmarker} Yes . Um . {vocalsound} And then , if you know Wind in the Willows {gap} badger.Marketing: Oh , okay .User Interface: Yeah and then uh I don't know if you know Brian {gap} . He's Liverpudlian writer .Project Manager: Alright .User Interface:Um {gap} , that kind of books . Badgers are cool in that one too . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . And I'm last . 'Kay . Look at my sad sad giraffe.Marketing: No , that's good .Project Manager: No , no , no , it ends up looking like some kind of a dinosaur , but whatever . I don't know even much aboutgiraffes , but I just love the way they look . They're just such odd creatures , you know . I I like that they're so unique and individual , I guess . I don't knowmuch about their behaviour or anything , though . Only seen a couple in zoos .Marketing: You don't really have to , I mean , if you like 'em {disfmarker}ProjectManager: Yeah , but you can appreciate the way they look . Okay . Alright . Guess we're getting straight back into business here .User Interface: {gap}ProjectManager: Um the selling price for our remote is going to be twenty-five Euro , and our profit aim is fifty million Euro . We're going to make this an internationalproduct marketed in the States , in Europe , in Asia . And um our production cost to make that profit is gonna be a max of twelve fifty Euro per remote . Okay .So we're gonna talk for a little while . Um here are some topics that we might be able to discuss . Expe our experiences with remote controls um , our first ideasabout this new remote , anything that you can bring to the table for this project . So .User Interface: Now ?Project Manager: Yeah . You wanna start us off ?Anybody have anything to offer ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Well , we wanna make a multifunctional remote , right ?Project Manager: Right.Industrial Designer: One remote for everything .User Interface: And everything being {disfmarker} Wait , we have what , sound system , T_V_ , D_V_D_ ,V_H_S_ , uh TiVo ?Marketing: Right .Industrial Designer: Um . I think they'll be phasing V_H_S_ out shortly .Marketing: Yeah , TiVo .Project Manager: TiVo .UserInterface: But it's still there , soIndustrial Designer: Okay .User Interface: if po if we're gonna do it {disfmarker}Marketing: It needs to be compatible 'causeuniversal remote controls are never universal .Project Manager: They're never universal . That's right . Esp e especially if you buy a a not big product , D_V_D_player , say , usually it doesn't work if it's not one of the {disfmarker}User Interface: Or if it's not like a Sony , if it's like a {disfmarker} I don't know .ProjectManager: Yeah . Yeah . Something from Sam's club .Industrial Designer: So we'll have to figure it how to cover all the different variances in signals .ProjectManager: Yeah .Marketing: And what we need an insanely good instruction booklet , because you always have to reconfigure all your contraptions to go with theremote anyways .Project Manager: Yeah . 'Kay , and um another thing that I think is important is the d the design of the product , how it feels in your hand . Ifit's just flat and kind of boring th those don't {disfmarker} Nobody wants to buy those any more . They want the ergonomic ones .Marketing: They want like theflashy lights .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Oh like this came from Las Vegas .Project Manager: Ones that ones that look high-tech , too .User Interface: Butat the same time are simple .Project Manager: Right .Marketing: Mm yeah .Project Manager: So that people like my mother can use it .Industrial Designer: Whatabout something with the curvature like that matches the curvature of a hand ?Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay .Anybody have any experiences with remote controls that they can remember that {disfmarker}User Interface: Just bad ones . {vocalsound}Project Manager:Yeah {gap} . {vocalsound} That's true .User Interface: Um .Industrial Designer: What kinda battery would we want to use ? Because battery changing is usually{disfmarker}User Interface: D Double A_ .Marketing: Double A_ .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: Do some of them use triple A_s though ?Marketing:Yeah some use triple A_s .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Some but {disfmarker}Marketing: So double or triple ?User Interface: Yeah , I guess then it's{disfmarker} If we need to do triple A_ we can , but most people usually have double A_s around .Project Manager: Okay . Yeah . But that has to do with the sizeof it too . Well , w as long as we know that issue is {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: Right .Project Manager: Here we can{disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah , if we want it to be more thin , then we'd probably wanna go with a triple A_ .Project Manager: Triple A . ButIndustrial Designer:Can you {gap} with a small lithium battery ?Project Manager: it's okay , we don't have to decide about it now , just as long as we remember battery type and sizeis important .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Hey . Anything else ? Alright . Moving along . Oh , we're closing the meeting . Next meeting is gonnastart in thirty minutes . Here's what we're going to do . Um the I_D_ , which is who ? Okay , you're going to think about the working design . What do you thinkthat means ? {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . And U_I_D_ , the technical fun functions design ,User Interface: Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: making sure it does everything that we need the remote to do , the functionality of it , operating all those different things . Okay . And the marketingperson , that's Courtney , is going to do the user requirements specification . I guess that means specifying um what exactly the user is going to be looking for .Right ? I would think so . Okay .Marketing: Right .Project Manager: And you're gonna get more specific instructions emailed to you in just a little while . Okay , sodoes anybody have anything they wanna say before we close the meeting ? Okay . This meeting is officially over ."}