Grad E: OK , we 're on .Professor B: OK .Grad E: So , I mean , everyone who 's on the wireless check that they 're on .PhD F: C we {disfmarker}Grad G: Alright.Postdoc C: I see . Yeah .PhD F: Yeah .Grad E: OK , our agenda was quite short .Professor B: Oh , could you {pause} close the door , maybe ? Yeah .Grad E: Sure. Two items , which was , uh , digits and possibly stuff on {disfmarker} on , uh , forced alignment , which Jane said that Liz and Andreas had in information on,Professor B: Grad E: but they didn't ,PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor B: I guess the only other thing , uh , for which I {disfmarker}Grad E: so .PhD F: We should dothat second , because Liz might join us in time for that .Grad E: OK .Professor B: Um . OK , so there 's digits , alignments , and , um , I guess the other thing ,{vocalsound} which I came unprepared for , uh , {vocalsound} is , uh , to dis s s see if there 's anything anybody wants to discuss about the Saturday meeting.Grad E: Right .Professor B: So . Any {disfmarker} I mean , maybe not .Grad E: Digits and alignments . But {disfmarker}Professor B: Uh .PhD F: Talk aboutaligning people 's schedules .Professor B: Yeah .Grad E: Yeah .Postdoc C: Mm - hmm .Professor B: Yeah . I mean {disfmarker} Right . Yeah , I mean , it was{disfmarker}Grad E: Yeah , it 's forced alignment of people 's schedules .PhD F: Yeah .PhD D: Forced align .PhD F: If we 're very {disfmarker}Professor B: Yeah.PhD F: Yeah .Professor B: With {disfmarker} with {disfmarker} whatever it was , a month and a half or something ahead of time , the only time we could find incommon {disfmarker} roughly in common , was on a Saturday .PhD D: Yeah .Professor B: Ugh .Grad E: Yep .PhD F: It 's pretty sad .Professor B: Yeah .PhD F:Yeah .Postdoc C: Have {disfmarker} Have we thought about having a conference call to include him in more of {disfmarker} {vocalsound} in more of themeeting ? I {disfmarker} I mean , I don't know , if we had the {disfmarker} if we had the telephone on the table {disfmarker}Professor B: No . But , h I mean ,he probably has to go do something .PhD F: No , actually I {disfmarker} I have to {disfmarker} I have to shuttle {pause} kids from various places to variousother places .Professor B: Right ?Postdoc C: I see . OK .Professor B: Yeah .PhD F: So . And I don't have {disfmarker} and I don't , um , have a cell phonePhD D:A cell phone ?PhD F: so I can't be having a conference call while driving .Professor B: R r right .Postdoc C: No . {comment} It 's not good .Professor B: So wehave to {disfmarker} we {disfmarker}Postdoc C: That 's not good .PhD F: Plus , it would make for interesting noise {disfmarker} background noise .Professor B:Grad E: Yep .PhD F: Uh {disfmarker}Professor B: So we have to equip him with a {disfmarker} with a {disfmarker} {vocalsound} with a head - mounted , uh ,cell phoneGrad E: Ye - we and we 'd have to force you to read lots and lots of digits ,Professor B: and {disfmarker}Grad E: so it could get real {disfmarker}{vocalsound} real car noise .PhD F: Oh , yeah .PhD D: Yeah .PhD F: Oh , yeah .Grad G: Take advantage .PhD D: And with the kids in the background .PhD F: I 'lllet {disfmarker} I 'd let {disfmarker}PhD D: Yeah .PhD F: I let , uh , my five - year - old have a try at the digits , eh .Professor B: Yeah .Grad E: So , anyway , Ican talk about digits . Um , did everyone get the results or shall I go over them again ? I mean that it was basically {disfmarker} the only thing that was evenslightly surprising was that the lapel did so well . Um , and in retrospect that 's not as surprising as maybe i it shouldn't have been as surprising as I {disfmarker}as {disfmarker} as I felt it was . The lapel mike is a very high - quality microphone . And as Morgan pointed out , that there are actually some advantages to it interms of breath noises and clothes rustling {pause} if no one else is talking .PhD D: Yeah .PhD F: Exactly .Grad E: Um , so , uh {disfmarker}Grad G: Mm - hmm.Professor B: Well , it 's {disfmarker} Yeah , sort of the bre the breath noises and the mouth clicks and so forth like that , the lapel 's gonna be better on .Grad G:It 's g it {disfmarker}PhD D: Or the cross - talk . Yeah .Professor B: The lapel is typically worse on the {disfmarker} on clothes rustling , but if no one 's rustlingtheir clothes ,Grad E: Right . I mean , a lot of people are just sort of leaning over and reading the digits ,Professor B: it 's {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker}Grad E:so it 's {disfmarker} it 's a very different task than sort of the natural .PhD D: Yeah . You don't move much during reading digits , I think .Professor B: Yeah .GradE: So .Professor B: Yeah .Grad E: Right .Grad G: Probably the fact that it picks up other people 's speakers {disfmarker} other people 's talking is an indication ofthat it {disfmarker} the fact it is a good microphone .PhD D: Yeah .Professor B: Right . So in the digits , in most {disfmarker} most cases , there weren't otherpeople talking .Grad E: Right . Right .Grad G: So .Professor B: So .PhD F: D do the lapel mikes have any directionality to them ?Professor B: There typically don't, no .PhD F: Because I {disfmarker} I suppose you could make some that have sort of {disfmarker} that you have to orient towards your mouth ,Grad E: Theyhave a little bit ,PhD F: and then it would {disfmarker}Grad E: but they 're not noise - cancelling . So , uh {disfmarker}Professor B: They 're {disfmarker} they're intended to be omni - directional .Grad E: Right .Professor B: And th it 's {disfmarker} and because you don't know how people are gonna put them on , youknow .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Grad E: Right . So , also , Andreas , on that one the {disfmarker} the back part of it should be right against your head . And that will hekeep it from flopping aro up and down as much .PhD F: It is against my head .Grad E: OK .Professor B: Yeah . Um . Yeah , we actually talked about this in the ,uh , front - end meeting this morning , too . Much the same thing ,Grad E: Uh - huh .Professor B: and {disfmarker} and it was {disfmarker} uh , I mean , therethe point of interest to the group was primarily that , um , {vocalsound} the , uh {disfmarker} the system that we had that was based on H T K , that 's used by ,you know , {pause} all the participants in Aurora , {vocalsound} was so much worse {vocalsound} than the {disfmarker} than the S RGrad E: Everybody.Professor B: And the interesting thing is that even though , {vocalsound} yes , it 's a digits task and that 's a relatively small number of words and there 's abunch of digits that you train on , {vocalsound} it 's just not as good as having a {disfmarker} a l very large amount of data and training up a {disfmarker} a{disfmarker} a nice good big {vocalsound} HMM . Um , also you had the adaptation in the SRI system , which we didn't have in this . Um . So . Um .PhD F: Andwe know {disfmarker} Di - did I send you some results without adaptation ?Grad E: No .Professor B: I s I think Stephane , uh , had seen them .Grad E: Or if youdid , I didn't include them , cuz it was {disfmarker}Professor B: So {disfmarker}PhD F: Yeah , I think I did , actually . So there was a significant loss from notdoing the adaptation .Professor B: Yeah .PhD F: Um . A {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a couple percent or some I mean {disfmarker} Well , I don't know it{disfmarker} Overall {disfmarker} Uh , I {disfmarker} I don't remember , but there was {disfmarker} {nonvocalsound} there was a significant , um , loss or win{comment} from adaptation {disfmarker} with {disfmarker} with adaptation . And , um , that was the phone - loop adaptation . And then there was a very small{disfmarker} like point one percent on the natives {disfmarker} uh , win from doing , um , you know , adaptation to {pause} the recognition hypotheses . And{pause} I tried both means adaptation and means and variances , and the variances added another {disfmarker} or subtracted another point one percent . So ,{vocalsound} it 's , um {disfmarker} that 's the number there . Point six , I believe , is what you get with both , uh , means and variance adaptation .Grad E:Right .Professor B: But I think one thing is that , uh , I would presume {disfmarker} Hav - Have you ever t {vocalsound} Have you ever tried this exact samerecognizer out on the actual TI - digits test set ?PhD F: This exact same recognizer ? No .Professor B: It might be interesting to do that . Cuz my {disfmarker} my{disfmarker} cuz my sense , um {disfmarker}PhD F: But {disfmarker} but , I have {disfmarker} I mean , people {disfmarker} people at SRI are actuallyworking on digits .Grad E: I bet it would do even slightly better .PhD F: I could {disfmarker} and they are using a system that 's , um {disfmarker} you know , his actually trained on digits , um , but h h otherwise uses the same , you know , decoder , the same , uh , training methods , and so forth ,Professor B: Mm - hmm.PhD F: and I could ask them what they get {pause} on TI - digits .Professor B: Yeah , bu although I 'd be {disfmarker} I think it 'd be interesting to just take thisexact actual system so that these numbers were comparablePhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor B: and try it out on TI - digits .PhD F: Well , Adam knows how to run it,Professor B: Yeah .Grad E: Yeah . No problem .PhD F: so you just make a fProfessor B: Yeah . Yeah . Cuz our sense from the other {disfmarker} from the Aurora, uh , task is that {disfmarker}Grad E: And try it with TI - digits ?PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor B: I mean , cuz we were getting sub one percent {vocalsound}numbers on TI - digits also with the tandem thing .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor B: So , {vocalsound} one {disfmarker} so there were a number of things wenoted from this .PhD F: Mmm .Professor B: One is , yeah , the SRI system is a lot better than the HTK {disfmarker}PhD F: Hmm .Professor B: this , you know ,very limited training HTK system .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor B: Uh , but the other is that , um , the digits {vocalsound} recorded here in this room with theseclose mikes , i uh , are actually a lot harder than the {pause} studio - recording TI - digits . I think , you know , one reason for that , uh , might be that there 'sstill {disfmarker} even though it 's close - talking , there still is some noise and some room acoustics .PhD F: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .Professor B: And anothermight be that , uh , I 'd {disfmarker} I would presume that in the studio , uh , uh , situation recording read speech that if somebody did something a little funnyor n pronounced something a little funny or made a little {disfmarker} that they didn't include it ,Grad E: They didn't include it .Professor B: they made them do itagain .Grad E: Whereas , I took out {pause} the ones that I noticed that were blatant {disfmarker} that were correctable .Professor B: Mmm . Yeah .Grad E: Sothat , if someone just read the wrong digit , I corrected it .Professor B: Yeah .Grad E: And then there was another one where Jose couldn't tell whether{disfmarker} I couldn't tell whether he was saying zero or six . And I asked him and he couldn't tell either .Grad I: Hmm .Grad E: So I just cut it out .Professor B:Yeah .Grad E: You know , so I just e edited out the first , i uh , word of the utterance . Um , so there 's a little bit of correction but it 's definitely not as clean as TI- digits . So my expectations is TI - digits would , especially {disfmarker} I think TI - digits is all {pause} American English .Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad E:Right ? So it would probably do even a little better still on the SRI system , but we could give it a try .PhD F: Well . But {pause} remember , we 're using a


Grad C: Now can you give me the uh {pause} remote T ?Professor D: OK , so Eva , co uh {disfmarker} could you read your numbers ?Grad A: Go ahead and read. OK .Professor D: Yeah .Grad C: Alright .Professor D: Yeah , let 's get started . Um {disfmarker} Hopefully Nancy will come , if not , she won't .Grad B: Uh ,Robert , do you uh have any way to turn off your uh screensaver on there so that it 's not going off every {disfmarker} uh , it seems to have about at two minute{disfmarker}Grad C: Yeah , I 've {disfmarker} I {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} it 's not that I didn't try .Grad B: OK .Grad C: and um I {disfmarker} I told it tostay on forever and ever , but if it 's not plugged in it just doesn't obey my commands .Grad B: OK .Grad C: It has a mind .Grad B: Got it .Grad C: But I I just{disfmarker} You know , sort of keep on wiggling .Undergrad E: Wants to conserve .Grad B: Yeah , OK .Grad C: But uh {disfmarker} we 'll just be m m workingon it at intensity so it doesn't happen . We 'll see . Should we plunge right into it ?Professor D: Yeah .Grad C: So , would you like to {disfmarker}Professor D: Ithink so .Grad C: So what I 've tried to do here is list all the decision nodes that we have identified on this {pause} side . Commented and {disfmarker} whatthey 're about and sort of {disfmarker} the properties we may um give them . And here are the uh {disfmarker} tasks to be implemented via our data collection .So all of these tasks {disfmarker} The reading is out of these tasks more or less imply that the user wants to go there , sometime or the other . And analogouslyfor example , here we have our EVA um {disfmarker} intention . And these are the data tasks where w we can assume the person would like to enter , view orjust approach the thing . Analogously the same on the object information we can see that , you know , we have sort of created these tasks before we came upwith our decision nodes so there 's a lot of things where we have no analogous tasks , and {pause} that may or may not be a problem . We can change the tasksslightly if we feel that we should have data for e sort of for every decision node so {disfmarker} trying to im um {disfmarker} implant the intention of going to aplace now , going to a place later on the same tour , or trying to plant the intention of going sometime on the next tour , or the next day or whenever .ProfessorD: Right , right .Grad C: But I think that might be overdoing it a little .Professor D: So {disfmarker} Yeah . So let me pop up a level . And uh s s make sure thatwe 're all oriented the same . So What we 're gonna do today is two related things . Uh one of them is to work on the semantics of the belief - net which is goingto be the main inference engine for thi the system uh making decisions . And decisions are going to turn out to be parameter choices for calls on other modules .so f the natural language understanding thing is uh , we think gonna only have to choose parameters , but You know , a fairly large set of parameters . So to dothat , we need to do two things . One of which is figure out what all the choices are , which we 've done a fair amount . Then we need to figure out whatinfluences its choices and finally we have to do some technical work on the actual belief relations and presumably estimates of the probabilities and stuff . But wearen't gonna do the probability stuff today . Technical stuff we 'll do {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} another day . Probably next week . But we are gonna worryabout all the decisions and the things that pert that contribute to them . And we 're also , sort of uh in the same process , going to work with Fey on what thereshould be in the dialogues . So One of the s steps that 's coming up real soon is to actually get subjects uh {disfmarker} in here , and have them actually recordlike this . Uh record dialogues more or less . And {disfmarker} depending on what Fey sort of provokes them to say , we 'll get information on different things.Grad C: Well how people phrase different intentions more or less ,Professor D: So {disfmarker} Fo - v yeah people with the {disfmarker} phrase themGrad C:huh ?Professor D: and so {disfmarker} Uh for , you know , Keith and people worrying about what constructions people use , uh {disfmarker} we have some i wehave some ways to affect that by the way the dialogues go . So what Robert kindly did , is to lay out a table of the kinds of uh {pause} things that {disfmarker}that might come up , and , the kinds of decisions . So the uh {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} on the left are decision nodes , and discreet values . So if{disfmarker} if we 're right , you can get by with um just this middle column worth of decisions , and it 's not all that many , and it 's perfectly feasible technicallyto build belief - nets that will do that . And he has a handout .Grad C: Yeah . Maybe it was too fast plunging in there , because j we have two updates .ProfessorD: Yeah .Grad C: Um you can look at this if you want , these are what our subject 's going to have to fill out . Any comments I can {disfmarker} can still be madeand the changes will be put in correspondingly .Undergrad E: m {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yes .GradC: Let me summarize in two sentences , mainly for Eva 's benefit , who probably has not heard about the data collection , at all .Grad A: OK .Grad C: Or have youheard about it ?Grad A: Not that much you didn't .Grad C: No . OK . We were gonna put this in front of people . They give us some information on themselves.Grad A: OK .Grad C: Then {disfmarker} then they will read uh {disfmarker} a task where lots of German words are sort of thrown in between . And um{disfmarker} and they have to read isolated proper names And these change {disfmarker}Professor D: S I don't see a releaseGrad C: No , this is not the releaseform . This is the speaker information form .Professor D: Got it . OK , fine . OK .Grad C: The release form is over there in that box .Professor D: Alright , fairenough .Grad C: And um {disfmarker} And then they gonna have to f um um choose from one of these tasks , which are listed here . They {disfmarker} theypick a couple , say three {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} uh six as a matter of fact . Six different things they sort of think they would do if they were in Heidelbergor traveling someplace {disfmarker} and um {disfmarker} and they have a map .Grad B: Hmm .Grad C: Like this . Very sketchy , simplified map . And they cantake notes on that map . And then they call this computer system that works perfectly , and understands everything .Grad A: OK .Grad C: And um{disfmarker}Grad B: This is a fictional system obviously ,Grad C: The comp Yeah , the computer system sits right in front of you ,Grad B: huh .Grad C: that 's Fey.Undergrad E: I 've {disfmarker} I understand everything .Professor D: And she does know everything .Undergrad E: Yes I do .Grad C: And she has a way ofmaking this machine talk . So she can copy sentences into a window , or type really fast and this machine will use speech synthesis to produce that . So if you ask" How do I get to the castle " then a m s several seconds later it 'll come out of here " In order to get to the castle you do {disfmarker} "Grad B: Yeah .Grad C:OK ? And um {disfmarker} And then after three tasks the system breaks down . And Fey comes on the phone as a human operator . And says " Sorry the systembroke down but let 's continue . " And we sort of get the idea what people do when they s think they speak to a machine and what people say when they thinkthey speak to a human , or know , or assume they speak to a human .Grad A: OK . Huh .Grad B: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .Grad C: That 's the data collection .And um {disfmarker} And Fey has some thirty subjects lined up ? Something ?Undergrad E: Yeah .Grad C: And um {disfmarker} And they 're {disfmarker} rready uh {disfmarker} to roll .Undergrad E: And more and more every day .Grad C: And we 're gonna start tomorrow at three ? four ? one ?Undergrad E:Tomorrow , well we don't know for sure . Because we don't know whether that person is coming or not ,Grad C: OK . Around four - ish .Undergrad E: but{disfmarker}Grad C: And um we 're still l looking for a room on the sixth floor because they stole away that conference room . Um {disfmarker} behind our backs. But {disfmarker}Professor D: Well , there are these {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} oh , I see , we have to {disfmarker} Yeah , it 's tricky . We'll {disfmarker} let 's {disfmarker} let {disfmarker} we 'll do that off - line , OK .Grad C: Yeah , but I {disfmarker} i i it 's happening . David and {disfmarker}and Jane and {disfmarker} and Lila are working on that as we speak .Professor D: OK .Grad C: OK . That was the uh {disfmarker} the data collection in anutshell . And um {disfmarker} I can report a {disfmarker} so I did this but I also tried to do this {disfmarker} so if I click on here , Isn't this wonderful ? we getto the uh {disfmarker} uh belief - net just focusing on {disfmarker} on the g Go - there node . uh {disfmarker} Analogously this would be sort of the reason nodeand the timing node and so forth .Grad B: Mm - hmm .Grad C: And what w what happened is that um design - wise I 'd sort of n noticed that we can{disfmarker} we still get a lot of errors from a lot of points to one of these sub Go - there User Go - there Situation nodes . So I came up with a couple ofadditional nodes here where um whether the user is thrifty or not , and what his budget is currently like , is going to result in some financial state of the user .How much will he {disfmarker} is he willing to spend ? Or can spend . Being the same at this {disfmarker} just the money available , which may influence us ,whether he wants to go there if it is {disfmarker} you know {disfmarker} charging tons of dollars for admission or its gonna g cost a lot of t e whatever . Twenty- two million to fly to International Space Station , you know . just {disfmarker} Not all people can do that .Professor D: Right .Grad C: So , and this actuallyturned out to be pretty key , because having specified sort of these {disfmarker} uh {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} this {disfmarker} intermediate level Um andsort of noticing that everything that happens here {disfmarker} let 's go to our favorite endpoint one is again more or less {disfmarker} we have {disfmarker}um {disfmarker} then the situation nodes contributing to the {disfmarker} the endpoint situation node , which contributes to the endpoint and so forth . um{disfmarker} I can now sort of draw straight lines from these to here , meaning it g of course goes where the sub - S {disfmarker} everything that comes fromsituation , everything that comes from user goes with the sub - U , and whatever we specify for the so - called " Keith node " , or the discourse , what comes fromthe {disfmarker} um {disfmarker} parser , construction parser , um will contribute to the D and the ontology to the sub - O node . And um one just s sort of hasto watch which {disfmarker} also final decision node so it doesn't make sense {disfmarker} t to figure out whether he wants to enter , view or approach an objectif he never wants to go there in the first place . But this makes the design thing fairly simple . And um now all w that 's left to do then is the CPG 's , theconditional probabilities , for the likelihood of a person having enough money , actually wanting to go a place if it costs , you know this or that . And um


Project Manager: Okay , so now we are on the conceptual design meeting . {vocalsound} Uh y getting close to the lastMarketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: isthe penultim meeting . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: How was lunch ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Mmgreat . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Thanks {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: Don't be sarcastic .{vocalsound} Mark . {vocalsound}Project Manager: So {vocalsound} um I will again do the secretary part uh we will have three presentation first um uh theindustrial design , first Rama then Mark and then Sammy .Marketing: Uh Rama .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Ramaro .Project Manager: Um um we have totake a decision on the control {disfmarker} remote control concepts and we have forty minutes .User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: So what we want to{disfmarker} the decision we want to take on this meeting are on the um first on the component concept , so what kind of energy we use uh what kind of chip onprint and one ki kind of case . And also on user interface concept uh what kind of interface we use and if there is some supplements . And at the end um Sammywill give um {vocalsound} a trend watching on what he's {disfmarker} he's been doing . It's {disfmarker} So , let's go . First with Rama . Participant two.Industrial Designer: Yeah , participant two . Component .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yep . So we're to mainly design f mainlyneed to know which components we'll use for energy , and the material and interface . For energy there are maybe two or three possibilities . First one , we canuse simple battery , or we can use {vocalsound} traditional solar cells or {disfmarker} mm and the material we can have plastic , rubber which is good for thisR_S_A_Marketing: Ah .Industrial Designer: and then uh titanium , which can be {disfmarker} which have very good look an and then interface we're to use pushbuttons or liquid crystal d L_C_D_ display . And we can use some {gap} , moving {gap} kind of thing . So , as we discussed before , we need to {disfmarker} wewould like to have some speech recognition s chip in our remote control . So this can be simple kind of programmable chip and {disfmarker} which can usemicrophone {gap} sensors . And we also want to look at our remote control , so . Still we are looking for possible uh technical uh specifications and how w easywe can do and within our pri range , like we're to {disfmarker} in our twelve Euros or around that . So we are looking for simple devices or simple technology todo the location of remote control in a room or in a house .Project Manager: Mm-hmm , okay .Industrial Designer: So uh we discussed an {disfmarker}{vocalsound} Excuse me . So we would like to propose battery instead of solar cells and it would be problematic uh to have enough energy with the solarcellsMarketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: and so we would like to just use simple battery . And also we want to go for titanium design instead of rubber or{disfmarker} and well the problem is with this design we found that we can't use double-curved shapes .Marketing: What is a double-curved shape ?IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Like you can have two curves .Marketing: Uh-huh .User Interface: Why ?Industrial Designer: Uh it's {disfmarker} I think inmanufacturing I guess it's problematic . So , we want to go for simple push buttons because it need a simple chip and it's really lesser {disfmarker} uh re reallyless expensive compared to L_C_D_Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: which are uh which needs advanced chip technology and it's more expensive,User Interface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: since we want to put some other features such as speech recognitionMarketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:we want to reduce uh cost .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um I want to know why it b uh just uh sorry but for the point before uh why not the rubber , if it issomething that it seems to be light .Marketing: The cost .Industrial Designer: Uh {disfmarker} Uh {disfmarker} And also like in {disfmarker} if you put a {gap}it's be difficult to do all the moulding of buttons and these thingsProject Manager: Okay . You m titanium it's more uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: and{disfmarker} Yeah .User Interface: W we can use something like you know {vocalsound} the whole body's titanium but there are some rubber or I dunno somerubber parts likeIndustrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: Mm like this ?Project Manager: Yes so mm {disfmarker}User Interface: to make it feel better and to youknow {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Like in cell phones recentlyProject Manager: Uh-huh .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah . Yeah .Industrial Designer:these {disfmarker} you can {gap} with the rubber in four directions and {disfmarker}Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Okay . {gap}Industrial Designer:yeah . But full assembly {disfmarker} We'll use mainly for titanium {gap}Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: rubber is expensiveProject Manager: Okay.Industrial Designer: and also it's bit difficult to do all the shapes uh .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: And this push buttonsProject Manager: Uh yeahsoIndustrial Designer: {disfmarker} we we would like to use push buttons instead of L_C_D_s and so we want to mo I mean we're {gap} we want to put speechrecognition so we want to reduce price on this technology and so that we can have enough space or enough moneyProject Manager: Okay , s so simple buttonand uh speech recognition for the more complicated .Industrial Designer: for {disfmarker} S SMarketing: Speech {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Y yeah wehave simple buttons and speech recognition technology ,User Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: Okay , and still we have{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: so {disfmarker}User Interface: mm can we still include the L_ L_S_D_ display ?Marketing: L_C_D_ .User Interface: L_C_D_yeah L_C_D_ .Industrial Designer: Uh lMarketing: Seems not , it's either L_C_D_ or push-button .Industrial Designer: So uhUser Interface: No ,IndustrialDesigner: it's like a {disfmarker}User Interface: it's not gonna be a t no touchable but still like a source of information or source for menus .Marketing: Ah.Industrial Designer: Yeah maybe maybe we can see depending on how we'll come up with our full design then if we have enough money or like for and{disfmarker}User Interface: Okay , so let's try it , let's tIndustrial Designer: because the speech recognition technology will take at least five Euros or {gap} orsomething so we want to reduce the cost on displayMarketing: {gap} The L_C_D_ would {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: or this interMarketing: The displaywould only be display and not uh touch sensitive you mean .User Interface: Yeah , yeah , it's it's not gonna be a touch pad , uh just a display for giving youinformation .Marketing: Just uh for output , yeah .Industrial Designer: Ok Yeah , that can we we can consider ,Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: because like it won't take much money I guess ,User Interface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: because {disfmarker}ProjectManager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Okay , yep .Project Manager: {gap} Mm .Industrial Designer: You have any further questions or ?Marketing: I guess no um .So the batteries uh are going to be very light .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah , we're to go for li and now I think we have many options in the market so we cango for small nickel or alkaline batteriesMarketing: Okay .User Interface: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: for really light batteries and with uh goodprice .Marketing: So this device on n that can be used for speech recognition could also be used for just uh the finding it basically , instead of clapping why notjust be {disfmarker} ask .Industrial Designer: Yeah , that's {disfmarker} then the the one thing we want to know is like because remote control is used for like inthe household so it it it will be it {disfmarker} m maybe at least five , six people want to use it so so how to uh uh how to define our re speechrecognitionMarketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: whether we want to do s speaker independent or speaker dependent . If we're going for more speakerindependent then it would be like again cumbersome and we need really m more technologyProject Manager: Okay ,Industrial Designer: and so{disfmarker}Project Manager: for the location . Hmm .Industrial Designer: Yeah , if if everybody in the house n {gap} to locate then we're to go for some speakerindependent technology or something .Marketing: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . So let's now go to the {disfmarker} you don't have more question?Industrial Designer: {gap}Marketing: No , it's okay .Project Manager: Um mm thank you mm .User Interface: No more questions .Industrial Designer: Yep .Thank you .Marketing: Puts less of constraint on what we can doProject Manager: Yeah .User Interface: Mm yeah , yeah .Marketing: butIndustrial Designer: Yeah.Marketing: it's always like that . We have dreams and the {disfmarker} in the end we find out that it's not feasible . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah , but{disfmarker} mm .Industrial Designer: Oh . We have uh some limitations {gap} . {vocalsound}Marketing: Anyway . {vocalsound} Yeah .User Interface: But stilluh L_S_D_'s already quite nice ,Marketing: L_C_D_ .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound}User Interface: L_C_ {vocalsound}Marketing: L_S_D_is something else ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: and it's quite nice as well . {vocalsound}User Interface: I'm an artist , sorry .{vocalsound}Marketing: So ,Project Manager: Um {vocalsound} yeah .User Interface: So uh , that's not {disfmarker}Marketing: go on uh artist .{vocalsound}User Interface: I hope that's not too much .Project Manager: Now let's talk about uh interface .User Interface: Okay . {vocalsound} Uh participantnumber three .Project Manager: Three .Industrial Designer: Three .User Interface: {vocalsound} UhProject Manager: Which one ? {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Marketing: Hmm . {vocalsound}User Interface: mm mm uh have a look at this {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}User Interface: no it's {disfmarker} yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay .User Interface: {gap} Uh so the concept of the interface. Generally I developed quite a broad concept not only for the interface , but for possible instruction or user's manual and uh all the complex things that cometogether with your T_V_ and remote controls . So let's start with this . We got our perfect remote control with a lot of buttonsMarketing: {vocalsound}{vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: and uh we got explanation for every buttonIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: and you can use yourtime and uh it will take i some days to learn all this buttons and um the L_C_D_ is going to be somewhere here and uh go back button , I don't know really whereit is , maybe one of this buttons , and um power on and off mm I I don't rememberProject Manager: {vocalsound} Mm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}


Grad A: Hey , you 're not supposed to be drinking in here dude .Grad D: OK .Grad A: Do we have to read them that slowly ? OK . Sounded like a robot . Um , thisis tGrad C: OK .Grad A: When you read the numbers it kind of reminded me of beat poetry .Grad D: I tried to go for the EE Cummings sort of feeling , but{disfmarker}Grad A: Three three six zero zero . Four two zero zero one seven . That 's what I think of when I think of beat poetry .Grad C: Beat poetry .Grad A:You ever seen " So I married an axe murderer " ?Grad C: Uh parts of it .Grad D: Mm - hmm .Grad A: There 's a part wh there 's parts when he 's doing beatpoetry .Grad C: Oh yeah ?Grad A: And he talks like that . That 's why I thi That uh probably is why I think of it that way .Grad D: Hmm . No , I didn't see thatmovie . Who did {disfmarker} who made that ?Grad A: Mike Meyers is the guy .Grad D: Oh . OK .Grad A: It - it 's his uh {disfmarker} it 's his cute romanticcomedy . That 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} That 's his cute romantic comedy , yeah . The other thing that 's real funny , I 'll spoil it for you . is when he 's{disfmarker} he works in a coffee shop , in San Francisco , and uh he 's sitting there on this couch and they bring him this massive cup of espresso , and he 's like" excuse me I ordered the large espresso ? "Grad D: Uh . We 're having , {vocalsound} a tiramisu tasting contest this weekend .Grad A: Wait {disfmarker} do arey So you 're trying to decide who 's the best taster of tiramisu ?Grad D: No ? Um . There was a {disfmarker} a {disfmarker} a fierce argument that broke outover whose tiramisu might be the best and so we decided to have a contest where those people who claim to make good tiramisu make them ,Grad A: Ah .GradD: and then we got a panel of impartial judges that will taste {disfmarker} do a blind taste {vocalsound} and then vote .Grad A: Hmm .Grad D: Should be fun.Grad A: Seems like {disfmarker} Seems like you could put a s magic special ingredient in , so that everyone know which one was yours . Then , if you were tobribe them , you could uh {disfmarker}Grad D: Mm - hmm . Well , I was thinking if um {disfmarker} y you guys have plans for Sunday ? We 're {disfmarker} we're not {disfmarker} it 's probably going to be this Sunday , but um we 're sort of working with the weather here because we also want to combine it with somebarbecue activity where we just fire it up and what {disfmarker} whoever brings whatever you know , can throw it on there . So only the tiramisu is free , nothingelse .Grad A: Well , I 'm going back to visit my parents this weekend , so , I 'll be out of town .Grad D: So you 're going to the west Bay then ? No ,Grad A: No ,the South Bay ,Grad D: south Bay ?Grad A: yeah .Grad D: South Bay .Grad C: Well , I should be free , so .Grad D: OK , I 'll let you know .Grad C: OK .Grad A:We are . Is Nancy s uh gonna show up ? Mmm . Wonder if these things ever emit a very , like , piercing screech right in your ear ?Grad D: They are gonna getmore comfortable headsets . They already ordered them . OK .Grad C: Uh {disfmarker}Grad D: Let 's get started . The uh {disfmarker} Should I go first , withthe uh , um , data . Can I have the remote {vocalsound} control . Thank you . OK . So . On Friday we had our wizard test data test and um {vocalsound} theseare some of the results . This was the introduction . I actually uh , even though Liz was uh kind enough to offer to be the first subject , I sort of felt that she knewtoo much , so I asked uh Litonya . just on the spur of the moment , and she was uh kind enough to uh serve as the first subject .Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad D:So , this is what she saw as part of {disfmarker} as uh for instr introduction , this is what she had to read {pause} aloud . Uh , that was really difficult for her anduh {disfmarker}Grad C: Because of l all the names , you mean ?Grad D: The names and um this was the uh first three tasks she had to {disfmarker} to masterafter she called the system , and um then of course the system broke down , and those were the l uh uh I should say the system was supposed to break downand then um these were the remaining three tasks that she was going to solve , with a human {disfmarker} Um . There are {disfmarker} here are uh the results. Mmm . And I will not {disfmarker} We will skip the reading now . D Um . And um . The reading was five minutes , exactly . And now comes the {disfmarker}This is the phone - in phase of {disfmarker}Grad C: Wait , can I {disfmarker} I have a question . So . So there 's no system , right ? Like , there was a wizard forboth uh {disfmarker} both parts , is this right ?Grad D: Yeah . It was bo it both times the same person .Grad C: OK .Grad D: One time , pretending to be asystem , one time , to {disfmarker} pretending to be a human , which is actually not pretending .Grad C: OK . And she didn't {disfmarker}Grad D: I should{disfmarker}Grad C: I mean . Well . Isn't this kind of obvious when it says " OK now you 're talking to a human " and then the human has the same voice ?GradD: No no no . We u Wait . OK , good question , but uh you {disfmarker} you just wait and see .Grad C: OK .Grad D: It 's {disfmarker} You 're gonna l learn . Andum the wizard sometimes will not be audible , Because she was actually {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} there was some uh lapse in the um wireless , we have tomove her closer .Grad A: Is she mispronouncing " Anlage " ? Is it " Anlaga " or " Anlunga "Grad D: They 're mispronouncing everything ,Grad A: OK .Grad D: butit 's {disfmarker} This is the system breaking down , actually . " Did I call Europe ? " So , this is it . Well , if we {disfmarker} we umProfessor B: So , are{disfmarker} are you trying to record this meeting ?Grad D: There was a strange reflex . I have a headache . I 'm really sort of out of it . OK , the uh lessonslearned . The reading needs to be shorter . Five minutes is just too long . Um , that was already anticipated by some people suggested that if we just have bulletshere , they 're gonna not {disfmarker} they 're {disfmarker} subjects are probably not gonna {disfmarker} going to follow the order . And uh she did not .GradC: Really ?Grad D: She {disfmarker} No .Grad C: Oh , it 's surprising .Grad D: She {disfmarker} she jumped around quite a bit .Professor B: S so if you justnumber them " one " , " two " , " three " it 'sGrad D: Yeah , and make it sort of clear in the uh {disfmarker}Professor B: OK . Right .Grad D: Um . We need to{disfmarker} So that 's one thing . And we need a better introduction for the wizard . That is something that Fey actually thought of a {disfmarker} in the lastsecond that sh the system should introduce itself , when it 's called .Professor B: Mm - hmm . True .Grad D: And um , um , another suggestion , by Liz , was thatwe uh , through subjects , switch the tasks . So when {disfmarker} when they have task - one with the computer , the next person should have task - one with ahuman , and so forth .Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad D: So we get nice um data for that . Um , we have to refine the tasks more and more , which of course wehaven't done at all , so far , in order to avoid this rephrasing , so where , even though w we don't tell the person " ask {pause} blah - blah - blah - blah - blah "they still try , or at least Litonya tried to um repeat as much of that text as possible .Grad C: Say exactly what 's on there ? Yeah .Grad D: And uh my suggestionis of course we {disfmarker} we keep the wizard , because I think she did a wonderful job ,Professor B: Great .Grad D: in the sense that she responded quitenicely to things that were not asked for , " How much is a t a bus ticket and a transfer " so this is gonna happen all the time , we d you can never be sure.Professor B: Mm - hmm .Grad D: Um . Johno pointed out that uh we have maybe a grammatical gender problem there with wizard .Grad A: Yes .Grad D: So um.Grad A: I wasn't {disfmarker} wasn't sure whether wizard was the correct term for {pause} uh " not a man " .Grad C: There 's no female equivalent of{disfmarker}Grad D: But uh {disfmarker}Grad A: Are you sure ?Grad C: No , I don't know .Professor B: Right .Grad C: Not that I know of .Grad D: Well , there iswitch and warlock ,Grad A: Yeah , that 's so @ @ .Professor B: Right .Grad C: Yeah , that 's what I was thinking , but {disfmarker}Grad D: and uh{disfmarker}Professor B: Right . Uh .Grad D: OK . And um {disfmarker} So , some {disfmarker} some work needs to be done , but I think we can uh{disfmarker} And this , and {disfmarker} in case no {disfmarker} you hadn't seen it , this is what Litonya looked at during the uh {disfmarker} um while takingthe {disfmarker} while partaking in the data collection .Grad C: Ah .Professor B: OK , great . So {pause} first of all , I agree that um we should hire Fey , andstart paying her . Probably pay for the time she 's put in as well . Um , do you know exactly how to do that , or is uh Lila {disfmarker} I mean , you know whatexactly do we do to {disfmarker} to put her on the payroll in some way ?Grad D: I 'm completely clueless , but I 'm willing to learn .Professor B: OK . Well , you 'llhave to . Right . So anyway , umGrad D: NProfessor B: So why don't you uh ask Lila and see what she says about you know exactly what we do for someone inthGrad D: Student - type worker ,Professor B: Well , yeah she 's un she 's not a {disfmarker} a student ,Grad D: or {disfmarker} ?Professor B: she justgraduated but anyway .Grad D: Hmm .Professor B: So i if {disfmarker} Yeah , I agree , she sounded fine , she a actually was {pause} uh , more uh , present andstuff than {disfmarker} than she was in conversation , so she did a better job than I would have guessed from just talking to her .Grad D: Yeah .Professor B: So Ithink that 's great .Grad D: This is sort of what I gave her , so this is for example h how to get to the student prison ,Professor B: Yeah .Grad D: and I didn't evenspell it out here and in some cases I {disfmarker} I spelled it out a little bit um more thoroughly ,Professor B: Right .Grad D: this is the information on{disfmarker} on the low sunken castle , and the amphitheater that never came up , and um , so i if we give her even more um , instruments to work with I thinkthe results are gonna be even better .Professor B: Oh , yeah , and then of course as she does it she 'll {disfmarker} she 'll learn @ @ .  So that 's great . Um{pause} And also if she 's willing to take on the job of organizing all those subjects and stuff that would be wonderful .Grad D: Mmm .Professor B: And , uh she 's{disfmarker} actually she 's going to graduate school in a kind of an experimental paradigm , so I think this is all just fine in terms of h her learning things she 'sgonna need to know uh , to do her career .Grad D: Mmm .Professor B: So , I {disfmarker} my guess is she 'll be r r quite happy to take on that job . And , so{disfmarker}Grad D: Yep . Yeah she {disfmarker} she didn't explicitly state that so .Professor B: Great .Grad D: And um I told her that we gonna um figure out ameeting time in the near future to refine the tasks and s look for the potential sources to find people . She also agrees that you know if it 's all just gonna bestudents the data is gonna be less valuable because of that so .Professor B: Well , as I say there is this s set of people next door , it 's not hard toGrad D: We 'realready {disfmarker} Yeah .Professor B: uh {disfmarker}Grad D: However , we may run into a problem with a reading task there . And um , we 'll see .Professor


PhD F: And we 're on .Professor D: OK . Might wanna {vocalsound} close the door so that {disfmarker} Uh , Stephane will {disfmarker}PhD F: I 'll get it.Professor D: YeahPhD F: Hey Dave ? Could you go ahead and turn on , uh , Stephane 's {disfmarker}Grad C: Mm - hmm .Professor D: So that 's the virtualStephane over there .PhD F: OK .Professor G: Do you use a PC for recording ? Or {disfmarker}PhD F: Uh , yeah , a Linux box . Yeah . It 's got , uh , like sixteenchannels going into it .Professor G: Uh - huh . Uh - huh . The quality is quite good ? Or {disfmarker} ?PhD F: Mm - hmm . Yeah , so far , it 's been pretty good.Professor G: Mm - hmm .Professor D: Yeah . So , uh , yeah {disfmarker} the suggestion was to have these guys start to {disfmarker}PhD F: OK . Why don't yougo ahead , Dave ?Grad C: OK . Um , so , yeah , the {disfmarker} this past week I 've been main mainly occupied with , um , getting some results , u from the SRIsystem trained on this short Hub - five training set for the mean subtraction method . And , um , I ran some tests last night . But , um , c the results aresuspicious . Um , it 's , um , {vocalsound} cuz they 're {disfmarker} the baseline results are worse than , um , Andreas {disfmarker} than results Andreas gotpreviously . And {vocalsound} it could have something to do with , um {disfmarker}PhD F: That 's on digits ?Grad C: That 's on digits . It c it {disfmarker} itcould h it could have something to do with , um , downsampling .PhD F: Hmm .Grad C: That 's {disfmarker} that 's worth looking into . Um , d and , um , ap apapart from that , I guess the {disfmarker} the main thing I have t ta I have to talk is , um , where I 'm planning to go over the next week . Um . So I 've beenworking on integrating this mean subtraction approach into the SmartKom system . And there 's this question of , well , so , um , in my tests before with HTK Ifound it worked {disfmarker} it worked the best with about twelve seconds of data used to estimate the mean , but , we 'll often have less {comment} in theSmartKom system . Um . So I think we 'll use as much data as we have {pause} at a particular time , and we 'll {disfmarker} {vocalsound} we 'll concatenateutterances together , um , to get as much data as we possibly can from the user . But , {vocalsound} um , {vocalsound} there 's a question of how to set up themodels . So um , we could train the models . If we think twelve seconds is ideal we could train the models using twelve seconds to calculate the mean , to meansubtract the training data . Or we could , um , use some other amount . So {disfmarker} like I did an experiment where I , um , was using six seconds in test ,um , but , for {disfmarker} I tried twelve seconds in train . And I tried , um , um , the same in train {disfmarker} I 'm a I tried six seconds in train . And sixseconds in train {vocalsound} was about point three percent better . Um , and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} um , it 's not clear to me yet whether that 's{vocalsound} something significant . So I wanna do some tests and , um , {vocalsound} actually make some plots of , um {disfmarker} for a particular amountof data and test what happens if you vary the amount of data in train .PhD F: Mm - hmm .Professor D: Uh , Guenter , I don't know if you t {vocalsound} followedthis stuff but this is , uh , {vocalsound} a uh , uh , long - term {disfmarker} long - term window F F Yeah . Yeah , he {disfmarker} you talked about it .ProfessorG: Yeah , we {disfmarker} we spoke about it already ,Professor D: Oh , OK . So you know what he 's doing .Professor G: yeah .Professor D: Alright .Grad C: y sso I was {disfmarker} I actually ran the experiments mostly and I {disfmarker} I was {disfmarker} I was hoping to have the plots with me today . I just didn'tget to it . But , um {disfmarker} yeah , I wou I would be curious about people 's feedback on this cuz I 'm {disfmarker} {vocalsound} @ @ {comment} I p Ithink there are some I think it 's {disfmarker} it 's kind of like a {disfmarker} a bit of a tricky engineering problem . I 'm trying to figure out what 's the optimalway to set this up . So , um , {vocalsound} I 'll try to make the plots and then put some postscript up on my {disfmarker} on my web page . And I 'll mention itin my status report if people wanna take a look .Professor D: You could clarify something for me . You 're saying point three percent , you take a point threepercent hit , {vocalsound} when the training and testing links are {disfmarker} don't match or something ?PhD E: Hello .Professor D: Is that what it is ?Grad C:w Well , it cProfessor D: Or {disfmarker} ?Grad C: I {disfmarker} I don't think it {disfmarker} it 's {vocalsound} just for any mismatch {vocalsound} you take ahit .Professor D: Yeah .Grad C: i In some cases it might be u better to have a mismatch . Like I think I saw something like {disfmarker} like if you only have twoseconds in test , or , um , maybe it was something like four seconds , you actually do a little better if you , um , {vocalsound} train on six seconds than if youtrain on four seconds .Professor D: Yeah . Right .Grad C: Um , but the case , uh {disfmarker} with the point three percent hit was {vocalsound} using six secondsin test , um , comparing train on twelve seconds {comment} versus train on six seconds .Professor D: And which was worse ?Grad C: The train on twelve seconds.Professor D: OK . But point three percent , uh , w from what to what ? That 's point three percent {disfmarker}Grad C: On {disfmarker} The {disfmarker} the{disfmarker} the accuracies {vocalsound} w went from {disfmarker} it was something vaguely like ninety - five point six accuracy , um , improved to ninety -five point nine wh when I {disfmarker}Professor D: So four point four to four point one .Grad C: OK .Professor D: So {disfmarker} yeah . So about a{disfmarker} about an eight percent , uh , seven or eight percent relative ?Grad C: OK .Professor D: Uh , Yeah . Well , I think in a p You know , if {disfmarker} ifyou were going for an evaluation system you 'd care . But if you were doing a live system that people were actually using nobody would notice . It 's {disfmarker}uh , I think the thing is to get something that 's practical , that {disfmarker} that you could really use .Grad C: Huh . That 's {disfmarker} that 's interesting .Alright , the e uh , I see your point . I guess I was thinking of it as , um , {vocalsound} an interesting research problem . The {disfmarker} how to g I wasthinking that for the ASRU paper we could have a section saying , {vocalsound} " For SmartKom , we {disfmarker} we d in {disfmarker} we tried this approach in, uh , {vocalsound} interactive system " , which I don't think has been done before .Professor D: Yeah . Mm - hmm .Grad C: And {disfmarker} and then therewas two research questions from that .Professor D: Mm - hmm .Grad C: And one is the k does it still work if you just use the past history ?Professor D: Mm -hmm .Grad C: Alright , and the other was this question of , um what I was just talking about now . So I guess that 's why I thought it was interesting .ProfessorD: I mean , a short - time FFT {disfmarker} short - time cepstrum calculation , uh , mean {disfmarker} u mean calculation work that people have in commercialsystems , they do this all the time . They {disfmarker} the {disfmarker} they calculate it from previous utterances and then use it , you know .Grad C: Yeah , um.Professor D: But {disfmarker} but , uh , as you say , there hasn't been that much with this long {disfmarker} long - time , uh , spectra work .Grad C: Oh , o Oh ,OK .Professor D: Uh ,Grad C: So that 's {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} that 's standard . Um {disfmarker}Professor D: Yeah . Pretty common .Grad C: OK.Professor D: Yeah . Um , but , u uh , yes . No , it is interesting . And the other thing is , I mean , there 's two sides to these really small , uh , gradations inperformance . Um , I mean , on the one hand in a practical system if something is , uh , four point four percent error , four point one percent error , people won'treally tell {disfmarker} be able to tell the difference . On the other hand , when you 're doing , uh , research , you may , eh {disfmarker} you might find that theway that you build up a change from a ninety - five percent accurate system to a ninety - eight percent accurate system is through ten or twelve little things thatyou do that each are point three percent . So {disfmarker} so the {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} they {disfmarker} it 's {disfmarker} I don't mean to say thatthey 're {disfmarker} they 're irrelevant . Uh , they are relevant . But , um , {vocalsound} i for a demo , you won't see it .Grad C: Mm - hmm . Right . OK.Professor D: Yeah .Grad C: And , um , Let 's {disfmarker} l let 's see . Um , OK . And then there 's um , another thing I wanna start looking at , um ,{vocalsound} wi is , um , the choice of the analysis window length . So I 've just been using two seconds just because that 's what Carlos did before . Uh , I wroteto him asking about he chose the two seconds . And it seemed like he chose it a bit informally . So , um , with the {disfmarker} with the HTK set - up I should beable to do some experiments , on just varying that length , say between one and three seconds , in a few different reverberation conditions , um , say this roomand also a few of the artificial impulse responses we have for reverberation , just , um , making some plots and seeing how they look . And , um , so , with the{disfmarker} the sampling rate I was using , one second or two seconds or four seconds is at a power of two um , number of samples and , um , I 'll {disfmarker}I 'll jus f for the ones in between I guess I 'll just zero - pad .Professor D: Mm - hmm . I guess one thing that might also be an issue , uh , cuz part of what you 'redoing is you 're getting a {disfmarker} a spectrum over a bunch of different kinds of speech sounds . Um , and so it might matter how fast someone was talkingfor instance .Grad C: Oh .Professor D: You know , if you {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if {disfmarker} if there 's a lot of phones in one second maybe you 'll get a{disfmarker} a really good sampling of all these different things , and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and , uh , on the other hand if someone 's talking slowly maybeyou 'd need more . So {disfmarker}Grad C: Huh .Professor D: I don't know if you have some samples of faster or slower speech but it might make a difference . Idon't know .Grad C: Uh , yeah , I don't {disfmarker} I don't think the TI - digits data that I have , um , {vocalsound} i is {disfmarker} would be appropriate forthat .Professor D: Yeah , probably not . Yeah .Grad C: But what do you {disfmarker} What about if I w I fed it through some kind of , um , speech processingalgorithm that changed the speech rate ?Professor D: Yeah , but then you 'll have the degradation of {disfmarker} of , uh , whatever you do uh , added onto that. But maybe . Yeah , maybe if you get something that sounds {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that 's {disfmarker} does a pretty job at that .Grad C: Yeah . Well ,uh , just if you think it 's worth looking into .Professor D: You could imagine that .Grad C: I mean , it {disfmarker} it is getting a little away from reverberation.Professor D: Um , yeah . It 's just that you 're making a choice {disfmarker} uh , I was thinking more from the system aspect , if you 're making a choice forSmartKom , that {disfmarker} that {disfmarker} that it might be that it 's {disfmarker} it c the optimal number could be different , depending on


The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota (NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)): I call the meeting to order.  Welcome to the third meeting of the House of Commons SpecialCommittee on the COVID-19 Pandemic. Pursuant to the order of reference of Monday, April20, the committee is meeting for the purposes of consideringministerial announcements, allowing members to present petitions, and questioning ministers of the crown, including the Prime Minister, in respect of theCOVID-19 pandemic. I understand there's an agreement to observe a moment of silence in memory of the six members of the Canadian Armed Forces who losttheir lives last Wednesday in a helicopter crash off the coast of Greece.  We'll return to order. Colleagues, we meet today to continue our discussion about howour country is dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic. As we do, Canadians, like everyone around the world, are doing their best to live their lives until thingsimprove. Meanwhile, as we look towards the future, I believe that it is also important to remember our past and to continue to mark the important moments inour shared history. At this very moment, the Dominion Carillonneur, Dr. Andrea McCrady, is performing a special recital to commemorate the 75th anniversary ofthe liberation of the Netherlands by the Canadian Forces. In May 1945, Canadian Forces played a major role in liberating the Dutch people from Nazi occupation.May 5 is now a national holiday in the Netherlands that commemorates the event and the great friendship that now exists between our two countries. Today'smeeting is taking place by video conference. The proceedings will be made available via the House of Commons website. Please be aware that the webcast willalways show the person speaking rather than the entire committee. Let me remind you that, as in the House or in committee, members may not takephotographs of their colleagues or film the proceedings. In order to facilitate the work of our interpreters and ensure orderly meetings, I will outline a few rules.Interpretation of this video conference will be done as it is at normal committee meetings and in the House. At the bottom of your screen, you can choose floor,English or French. As you have seen, I change as I am speaking. I have now switched over to English in order to speak English. If you look at the bottom, youhave a little flag that indicates whether it's English or French, and that's how we will be speaking. It makes it easier. That was where we had a little bit of a glitchin the last session. I understand that there are no statements by ministers. We can now proceed to presenting petitions for a period not exceeding 15 minutes.  Iwould like to remind members that petitions presented during a meeting of the special committee must already have been certified by the clerk of petitions.  Inaddition, to ensure that the petition is considered to have been properly presented, the certificate of the petition and each page of the petition for petitionscertified in a previous Parliament should be emailed to the committee no later than 6 p.m. on the day before the committee. I thank all the members for theirusual co-operation. Thank you all. Now we'll proceed to presenting petitions. Our first petition comes from the honourable member for Sherwood ParkFortSaskatchewan, Mr. Genuis.Mr. Garnett Genuis (Sherwood ParkFort Saskatchewan, CPC): Mr. Chair, I'm pleased to be presenting two petitions today. The firstpetition is with respect to government Bill C-7. Petitioners raised concerns that this bill removes safeguards from the current euthanasia regime. It includesremoving the mandatory 10-day reflection period and the number of required witnesses who will witness a person's consent. The petitioners urge the House ofCommons to immediately discontinue the removal of safeguards for people requesting euthanasia, and to put in place additional measures to protect vulnerablepeople. This would require that bill to be amended or not passed. The second petition is with respect to Senate public bill S-204. This is on organ harvesting andtrafficking. Petitioners call on members of the House, and hopefully the Senate as well, to support Bill S-204, which would make it a criminal offence for a personto go abroad and receive an organ for which there has not been consent. It would also create provisions under which a person could be made inadmissible toCanada if they had been involved in organ harvesting or trafficking. Thank you very much.The Chair: Thank you. I want to remind all the members that there arespecific headsets that have been mandated to all of us. If you don't have one, please talk to your IT ambassador and they will get one to you as quickly aspossible. The reason for them is not so much for what you hear, but that our interpreters are working and there are work conditions that really make it difficult.Part of that is not having the appropriate boom on your headset, which will make it very difficult for them to hear and interpret for our members. Now we go tothe member for BeachesEast York, Mr. Erskine-Smith.Mr. Nathaniel Erskine-Smith (BeachesEast York, Lib.): Mr. Chair, I had to learn how to tie my tie all overagain. It's been so long. I want to thank Jenna Robar, who's led this petition e-2453. The petitioners have noted that there are approximately 60 indigenouslanguages in Canada and that 2019, last year, was declared by the UN to be the year of indigenous languages. They draw attention to article 13 of the UNDRIPand to the TRC's calls to action numbers 13 to 16. Fundamentally, they call upon the Government of Canada to recognize indigenous languages as being officiallanguages of Canada and to have each language recognized nationally, with implementations on regional and provincial levels, acknowledging that many regionshave different languages.Mr. Eric Duncan (StormontDundasSouth Glengarry, CPC): Mr. Chair, I am proud to present a petition on behalf of one of myconstituents, Myles Lynch of St. Andrews West in my riding. Myles made history as the first Canadian ever to survive three double-lung transplants. Myles liveswith cystic fibrosis and has had three lung transplants in the last five years, and he's only 22 years old. Myles created a documentary called 8 Thousand Myles,which had a few showings in my riding. It documented his journey across Canada. One thing Myles has been advocating for is the creation of a national opt-outprogram for organ donation. Myles asked me how he could help raise awareness of that issue. I mentioned to him e-petitions online and getting people across thecountry to sign them. I am proud to have this certified today, with 1,318 signatures, asking the Standing Committee on Health to launch a study into thefeasibility of the creation of a national opt-out program. I give kudos to Myles not only for his strength personally but also for his advocacy for others and forsaving lives in our country by advocating for a better and an improved organ donation system. Kudos to Myles. I'm proud to present this petition today.Mr. PeterJulian (New WestminsterBurnaby, NDP): Mr. Chair, I'm very pleased to present this certified petition on behalf of several dozen residents of Toronto, Mississaugaand Brampton, Ontario, who add their voices to those of the thousands upon thousands of Canadians who have signed similar petitions. Given that Canadians areliving through unprecedented, catastrophic climate events, and at the same time our society, as you know, is suffering from worsening social and economicinequalitieshalf of Canadian families are only $200 away from insolvency in any given monthand particularly given the pandemic that we are currentlyexperiencing, these petitioners are calling on the Government of Canada to support motion M-1, a made-in-Canada green new deal that I am presenting in frontof the House of Commons. It calls on Canada to take bold and rapid action to tackle the climate emergency, and to put in place a shift to a clean and renewableenergy economy.Mr. Gord Johns (CourtenayAlberni, NDP): Mr. Chair, it's an honour to table a petition on behalf of constituents from CourtenayAlberni. They areconcerned, obviously, about fentanyl-related deaths. Over 12,000 Canadians have died over the last four years due to fentanyl-poisoned sources. They cite thatthe current war on drugs has been costly and grossly ineffective; that it has resulted in widespread stigma towards addiction and against those who use illicitdrugs; and that criminalization of particular substances has resulted in the establishment of a drug trade that now trafficks dangerous and lethal products such asfentanyl. They are citing that regulating to ensure safe sources, with proper measures and bylaws, will reduce the criminal element associated with street drugs.Problematic substance use is a health issue and is not resolved through criminalization of personal possession and consumption. They are calling on theGovernment of Canada to declare the current opioid overdose and fenanyl poisoning crisis a national public health emergency under the Emergencies Act. Theyare calling for the government to reform current drug policy to decriminalize personal possession, as has been done in Portugal and other countries, and to createwith urgency and immediacy a system to provide safe and unadulterated access to substances so that people who use substances experimentally, recreationallyor chronically are not at imminent risk of overdose due to a contaminated source.Mr. Brad Vis (MissionMatsquiFraser Canyon, CPC): Mr. Chair, I'm presenting apetition today that contains the concerns of Canadians in my riding with the government's approach to firearms legislation and regulation. The petition highlightsthat the Liberal government's December 5, 2019, Speech from the Throne contains numerous inaccuracies about current firearms legislation and regulation; thatthe term military-style assault rifles is a political phrase undefined in Canadian law; that municipalities are constitutionally unable to enact criminal law to banhandguns in their jurisdictions; that the experts, including chiefs of police, agree that banning firearms and requiring law-abiding gun owners to follow moreunnecessary red tape will not increase public safety; that the majority of guns used in violent crimes are smuggled into Canada from the United States; and thatthe Liberal government continues to target law-abiding firearms owners instead of the gangs, drug traffickers and illegal gun traffickers responsible for violence inour communities. The petitioners in MissionMatsquiFraser Canyon are calling on the government to stop targeting law-abiding firearms owners; to cancel all plansto confiscate firearms legally owned by federally licensed, RCMP-vetted Canadians; and to focus our limited resources on anti-gang enforcement, on reducing theinvolvement of at-risk youth and gangs, on mental health and on providing the Canada Border Services Agency with the tools they need to do their jobeffectively.The Chair: Very good. That's all for petitions today. We will now proceed to the questioning of ministers. I would like to remind honourable membersthat no member shall be recognized for more than five minutes at a time and that members may split their time with one or more members by so indicating tothe chair. Ministers responding to the question should do so by simply turning on their mike and speaking. I want to again remind honourable members to use the


Project Manager: Alright , that did nothing . Okay . Welcome to the meeting everyone . Just gonna attempt to make this into a slide show . Sorry guys.Marketing: You may have to do the function F_ eight thing .Project Manager: I did . Twice .Marketing: Oh , okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: This'll just takea moment . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay okay {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Or it won't.Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay we'll have to deal with it like this then .Industrial Designer: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Alright . Um .This is the first meeting uh for developing our , our new product . {gap} I'm Heather , I'm your Project Manager .Industrial Designer: Hello . {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Okay . So um . So that was the opening .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: The first thing we'll do is getacquainted with one another . If everyone could go around and explain their role and um , and their name .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:Okay . My name's Poppy . I'm the Industrial Designer for this project . Um , I'm going to be responsible for the functional design phase . Also the conceptualdesign and the detailed design for the final product .Project Manager: Nice to meet you Poppy .Industrial Designer: Okay . {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound} My name's Tara and I'm the User Interface Designer .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: I will also be responsible for the functional designphase , the conceptual design phase and the detailed design phase of the user interface design . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Alright .Marketing: Hi , I'mGenevieve . I'm the Marketing Expert . I'm an expert at marketing .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Um , I'll betelling you guys about the user requirement specifications for our new product . Um , I'll be doing some trend-watching in the conceptual design , and productevaluation for the design phase .Project Manager: Alright I'm Heather and I've I said I'm your Project Manager , um Well you can pretty much read what it is thatI'm doing . But um um {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah . And uh tool training is one thing that we'regoing to be doing today , um um as well as planning the project , how we're going to , uh , create this product , and , um , discuss , um , our aims and objects ofthis , Which brings us to our next subject ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: is , um , um ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: as a teamwe're going to be designing and creating a new kind of remote control . Um , we want this to be a marketable product that can be trendy , um , a completely newstyle , so that , um , can really appeal to a , to a generation that doesn't want a simple plain kind of , uh , channel-changer . And , um , it needs to beuser-friendly for , um , maybe , for an example , for people that , um , can't see the numbers as well , or , um , perhaps an ergonomic design .IndustrialDesigner: Okay . So this is a television remote control ?Project Manager: Yes , it's a television remote control .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Right .I believe I should be taking minutes on this right now . So , alright .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: Um , yeah . Um , the way that we're going to goabout this is , um , we'll have a time where we can , um come up with new ideas alone , and , and work on the project and then , um , after we've brainstormedand , and thought about , we can come together in a meeting and , and discuss what , what um , what kind of functional design we want to use . Same withconceptual design and detailed design . So , um , making sure that it , it's usable , that as a , um {disfmarker} and that it's , it's feasible to create , and uh , tocome up with a concept of it want , what we want it to look like . Um , tool training . Is , is everyone , um {disfmarker} {gap} Okay .Industrial Designer: Yeah .Got those notes .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Great . Great .Marketing: Thank you .Project Manager: Um One thing that , uh , we're going to do is becomemore acquainted with the , the tools that we have access to for our project . Um , one of them is our whiteboard . And , um , as a sort of team-building moment ,um , I , I'd like us to , um , try out the whiteboard by expressing our favourite animal and the charac characteristics of that animal .Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um , why that , why that should be your favourite animal . So , um , I , I'massuming that we should do that now .Industrial Designer: Okay .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} With our microphones still attached to our bodies . Okay . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay .User Interface:Gosh . {vocalsound}Project Manager: 'Kay , what's my favourite animal ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Do come up .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Oh ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {gap} to go first . {vocalsound} Oh ,Project Manager: This is ateam-building timeIndustrial Designer: are we all doing it individually ?User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: where , um ,{vocalsound} ,Industrial Designer: Okay , let's stand up and support you {vocalsound}Project Manager: okay cool , um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound}Project Manager: My favourite animal , which changes all the time , okay ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: right now it is an elk .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay .User Interface: An elk ?Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: alright , so{disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} A vicious {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager: And it goes like {disfmarker} Yeah it's got like big antlers ,UserInterface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: yeah . Looks kinda like , like it has holly growing out of its head .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Do you have elk where you come from ?Project Manager: Yes .Industrial Designer: You do .ProjectManager: YeahMarketing: We have moose too . {vocalsound}Project Manager: we have moose and we have deer .Industrial Designer: Okay .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Do you have {disfmarker}User Interface: We have sheep . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} {gap} 'Kay , um.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Sheep . Yeah ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: cows .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: That's agreat elk .Marketing: Uh-oh , we have a good artist . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: That is really good .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Thanks.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah . {vocalsound}User Interface: I'm quite {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Project Manager: This is my {disfmarker}UserInterface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Oh , very shapely .Project Manager: Okay .Industrial Designer: Brilliant .Project Manager: That's a sketching of my my elk ,and it , it is my favourite animal right now , 'cause it is a large beautiful majestic creature ,User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: that um , that um{disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: In a way it looks kind of awkward , because it's on spindly legs and it uh {disfmarker}User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: But it can really overcome harsh terrain , and although it's gorgeous it's also very dangerous , because it has um strong antlers ,and uh it can really combat its enemies , even like it it's a it's an herbivore but , uh , it can really defend itself .Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: Yeah.Industrial Designer: Very nice . Okay .Project Manager: Right .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Right , I'm gonna take minutes while , um ,you guys express your favourite animals .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Okay , I'll go next . I am a big animal lover . like all sorts of animals ,but for the moment I'm gonna draw a cat , in memory of my poor cat that died recently . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Oh .Project Manager: Oh.Industrial Designer: It's gonna be a bit of a strange drawing , but never mind .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Not as artistic as Heather's drawing .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Bit morecartoon style .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: But I like cats because they're so independent , and they always seem to be doing what theywant to be doing . Um , but that doesn't mean they're completely not sociable , 'cause they enjoy interacting with humans as well , and they seem to enjoy thegood things like sunshine and , um , running around outside as well as being inside , and enjoying their food , and generally just , they just seemed so cool and{vocalsound} they just know what they're doing .User Interface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh I reckon they're sort of , they got it sorted .They know what they want .User Interface: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Basically , that's why I like cats . {vocalsound}User Interface: Verygood . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Great .Industrial Designer: {gap} I'll rub that out . There you go . {vocalsound}User Interface: Okay . I think my favouriteanimal would be a dog , but I'm not really sure {vocalsound} how to draw one .Industrial Designer: Ooh .User Interface: I , I've never drawn a dog , I don't think. I'm tempted to draw a snail 'cause I draw them sometimes {vocalsound} and they're really easy to draw .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: Um ,Project Manager: I forget her name .User Interface: right it's gonna be a really funny dog ,'cause I'm not sure how to draw a dog .Marketing: TaraProject Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: or Tara .Industrial Designer: Well there are loads of differenttypes of dogs , so I'm sure it'll represent one kind of dog . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} It's a cartoon dog I think .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: A s I don't ev Oh , oh well . {vocalsound} It's a scary cartoon dog . That {disfmarker} This,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: that does not look like a dog .Project Manager: {vocalsound} It looks kinda like a person .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} We can pretend . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} I'm sorry .Marketing: {vocalsound} That's Pinocchio.User Interface: {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} How do you draw a dog ? I suppose it has a lon Oh my god . Right . Yous know what it'ssupposed to be .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Okay .User Interface: {vocalsound} It's a dog . {vocalsound} . Um , I like dogs because , um , they're sogood to humans , like they can be trained to be police dogs and seeing-eye dogs , and they're just such friendly animals . And , like they're more of a companion


Project Manager: {vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} minutes from the last meeting which were essentially that we uh had decided on roles for each of you ,however , um there are some changes that I've got from on highUser Interface: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: that um are a bit uh {disfmarker} well wwhat I didn't actually realise it was that the uh {vocalsound} this is for a specific television .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: So the all in one idea goes outthe window . And {vocalsound} they require that the uhUser Interface: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: actually I'll get to that at the end {gap} point number four ,um we'll get what you've got and then we can see what we can adapt from it . So um , presentations , were you {disfmarker} anybody got , raring to go?Marketing: Yeah . Yeah .Project Manager: Raring to go ? Okay . Good stuff . Mm .Marketing: Um . So how {disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh I need to plug youin . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: S {gap}Project Manager: Just about .User Interface: Wow . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: It'sa inspired design .Marketing: {gap}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Sh do you want me to hold it ?Project Manager: Uh there we go , just screw 'em onin . Gonna have to swap them round so {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} So , after that ?Project Manager: now , it was function F_ eight.Marketing: F_ eight . {vocalsound} f oh sorry F_ eight .Project Manager: That's the wee blue one . Blue one F_ eight .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: Shoulddo it , good one .Marketing: Yeah . Yeah . Uh , me again , Rajan the Marketing Expert . Uh , as we have decided in the last meeting that I have to find out , sorry, yeah sure .Project Manager: Hold on , sorry . {gap} and if you just click that it'll go ahead , one at a time .Marketing: Yeah , yeah . Uh actually , sorry I have tosee the other {gap} , sorry .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Sorry , uh .Marketing: Yeah , thank you .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Uh , yes , I haveto look at the uh market potential for this product , uh , like consumer likings and everything , what is the potential for this product and are we able to achieveour a net profit or our aims or not ? Then {disfmarker}Project Manager: P press F_ five to start it first .Marketing: Sorry . Okay . Yeah , I can , okay .IndustrialDesigner: Hmm .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Jesus .Marketing: Uh then uh the methodology I adopted to find out all this was market survey . A a detailedmarket survey on consumers was done to find out their likings and dislikings , what they prefer what they not prefer , w what problems they do encounter in allthis type of things . And what we got was , we found that {disfmarker} if you {disfmarker} uh , what they th what problems they are having with different uhremote controls available in the market . Seventy five percent of users they do find it that the remote controls available in the market are ugly . They are not sogood looking . So , we have to put stress on this , uh we have to take care of this fact also like our design , uh should be appropriate , should be good looking forthe consumers . And yes that's wi uh this will definitely , this can definitely put uh uh enhance our sales . Uh and even uh the good thing about this is that eightypercent of users they are willing to pay high uh pay more for this uh good looking remote controls also . So even if the available market goes for the available{disfmarker} uh even if the market goes for the available remote control is less even then we can sell it at twenty five Euros , which maybe which may seemquite high but if our looks are are if the re remote control we design have a good better uh better look uh designs , then we can hope that consumers will preferthese g remote controls .Project Manager: Excellent .Marketing: Then {disfmarker} {gap} And the second thing , some some companies they think that theyshould have more and more functions of the users uh or in their remote controls , but rather than those having more functions in the remote controls we shouldemphasise what actually consumer want , what they operate , rather than making it too complicated . Because mostly it has been found that fifty percent of theusers they use only ten percent of the buttons , so there is no point of having ninety percent buttons making the remote controls too bulky , too complicated tooexpensive a because I think I believe that technology is useful only if uh the consumers they want to use it . Otherwise there is no point of having all this type ofthings . So this will not only reduce the cost of our remote controls but it will increase our profit also . So we have to take care of this fact also . Then . Uh it wasfunction I want to go to .Project Manager: Oh you wanna go back ? Just escape .Marketing: Uh , escape , okay thank you . Then if we look at this slide ,ProjectManager: Okay .Marketing: uh these are in your shared documents , you can see ,Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: like {disfmarker} Uh , sorry .UserInterface: So , sorry {disfmarker} I was just gonna say , what was the question for this ? Or is {disfmarker} are you coming on to that ?Marketing: Ah t look allthe market potential , what uh how we should design consu our remote controls , what they should be there so as to en enhance our profit , enhance our sales.User Interface: Okay . So these percentages are are what ?Marketing: Yeah , these are different age group persons like uh sorry , I can open it in another way.Project Manager: Okay . Speech recognition .Marketing: Uh , yes . If we look at the costs whether the consumers they are willing to uh pay more for speechrecognition in a remote control or not , we can find that they up to a thirty five years age group we have a very good disliking for this uh this uh point , like forspeech recognition in a remote control .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: So we can emphasise on this point also like , because it will definitelyenhance our sales in this ag in this particular age group from uh fifteen to thirty five ,User Interface: Hmm .Marketing: and I uh and I think that most of the usersof the rem uh T_V_ are belong to this age group . So we should look {disfmarker}Project Manager: Hmm . We're als we we're looking at who buys it as well .{gap}Marketing: Yeah . We can look at that that factor also , so yes . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh , which I think the twenty five to thirty five is uh usual ,sort of .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Mm , mm .Marketing: So , and {disfmarker} {gap}Project Manager: {gap}Marketing: {vocalsound} And then{disfmarker}Project Manager: Fifteen to tweMarketing: Yes . I think so . Uh if we look at this data how how uh h how what are the problems the consumers arefacing with the existing remote controls in the market .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: They find that thirt uh thirty five percent uh thirty four percentof the consumers they find too difficult to operate a remote control . So it should be in such a way that it should be easy to learn how to operate these remotecontrols and we should provide pl uh spe uh proper manuals for its use also so as that people {disfmarker} consumers could easily learn . They need not to haveany , much technical knowledge to see uh to know how to operate these remote controls .User Interface: Mm-hmm .Marketing: So this is also a very goo uhmajor factor to loo uh take into consideration to enhance our profits and sales . So um this is all aboutProject Manager: Okay . {vocalsound}Marketing: uhmarket potential by me .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Uh , yes , th thank you .Project Manager: Okay , thank you . Um ,{vocalsound} follow on with Helen ? Yeah please .User Interface: Yep , sure , that's cool , um {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah we have to take that {gap} out.Project Manager: Oh , so we do yeah .Marketing: Sorry .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Fun and games .Marketing: Sorry.Project Manager: Don't know if the cable's gonna be long enough .Marketing: Uh sorry , I have {gap} . {vocalsound}Project Manager: I think I just kicked overwhatever it runs on underneath as well .Marketing: Brian , this one also I {gap} . Yeah .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Thank you very much Brian .UserInterface: I can turn my computer quickly if that's okay .Marketing: If you want me to help , yeah .User Interface: Um , yep .Project Manager:{vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Okay , and then what do I press , F_ eight ?Marketing: Uh F_ eight . Function F_ eight .Project Manager: FunctionF_ eight .User Interface: Oh right .Marketing: Mm s .User Interface: Okay , cool .Marketing: It's not coming . Function F_ eight , okay .User Interface: Oh.Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah . No signal . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Computer .Project Manager: Hmm .Marketing: Computer adjusting ,yeah .Project Manager: There you go .User Interface: Okay . Cool .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Okay and then how do I press the the big one , to get it on tothe big {disfmarker}Project Manager: Uh F_ five .User Interface: F_ five and I press that again to get it off as well do I ?Marketing: Escape .Project Manager: Um, F_ five and escape'll bring it back and just uh the left button for advancing .User Interface: Okay , so um I'm the interface design designer , User InterfaceDesigner sorry , uh I'm concerned with um w what effect the apparatus should have on the user and um I'm I'm also {disfmarker} I want to point out that ourmotto , put the fashion in electronics ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: so obviously we as a company we want to make our products trendy andfashionable , it's a big concern of ours . Okay , and how do I press n just the next button ?Project Manager: Uh just a left uhUser Interface: The arrow ? Okay.Project Manager: left mouse button .User Interface: So um I looked at existing designs and also um the information that Raj gave us was very useful about whatpeople like , what people dislike . Um and what people {disfmarker} fashionable , because we said people between twenty five and thirty five were the main umbuyers of of our T_V_ I think .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Okay .User Interface: So um what they like and what they find fashionable .Project Manager: 'Kay.User Interface: {vocalsound} And ergonomics , we said um , I don't know I haven't actually been able to do any of this myself ,Project Manager:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: but um maybe that comes up , I don't know .Project Manager: That can come under Arlo as well.User Interface: And the findings , well the basic {disfmarker} that was the basic function to send messages to the television set .Project Manager: Uh .UserInterface: That's what people want to do . Um , so they need to be included , um , but I've got some pictures here of some leading ones . I don't know how to getto them ,Project Manager: Uh if you if you escape then you can see your bar .User Interface: {vocalsound} do I press F_ five is it ? {gap} escape ? Oh okay , cool. I haven't got my glasses on so I hope it's this one .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Uh okay .User Interface: These are two leading um remote controls at themoment .Project Manager: 'Kay .User Interface: You know they're grey , they've I mean this one's got loads of buttons , it's hard to tell from here what they