Project Manager: Can I close this ?User Interface: Uh we don't have any changes , do we ?Project Manager: Oh , okay .User Interface: So no .{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} There we go . Okay , here we are again . Detailed design {disfmarker} oh , come on . Well {disfmarker} Ah {gap} sForgot to insert the minutes , but it's about the same thing we discussed before . Uh {disfmarker} Could open that anyway , think . Other design {disfmarker}anyway , we took as {disfmarker} we took w we took rubber as as the material last time . We also {gap} that you're just busy with it . Took the advanced chip tot uh implement the advanced features . Well , we discussed the design , no sharp corners , we rounded it off , like you see on the {gap} other screen , which isfine . Um {gap} we agreed that the colour should be b uh yellow and black . Yellow in the back because it's m trendy , more trendy than black anyway . So{vocalsound} then we ca yeah . We agreed that we would implement both the L_C_D_ and speech recognition , but I'll get to that in a moment . 'Cause somechanges in the finances have left us implications anyway . So so , like I said , we had no insight in finances , no prices ,Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: but wehave 'em now , and it's bad . Anyway . We are Oh . Prototype presentation , well first you guys built the prototype . So {vocalsound} you could {gap}{disfmarker} could present that . But um let's see what be handy to do . Nee {disfmarker} no , you just go ahead and present the {disfmarker} w we'll scrap itlater because {disfmarker} {gap} What ?Industrial Designer: I think it's more or less the same as we had .User Interface: It's basically what we agreed upon,Marketing: Hmm ?Project Manager: Oh that'sUser Interface: but just a little bit more specified .Industrial Designer: No much sProject Manager: hasn't changedthat much , huh ?Industrial Designer: No no no , not at all .Project Manager: I didn't expect anyway {gap} . You just coloured it . {vocalsound}User Interface: Uhs Final design . {vocalsound} Basically in {gap} {disfmarker} what we discussed , cover and buttons will be made of rubber , yellow colour , black components ,as you can see right over here .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . I like the menu .User Interface: We chose a different type of colour for the menu . A bit darkeryellow so that it com really shows in this keypad .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: If you put them all black , it's not really that good a contrast.Project Manager: And I suppose the the the yellow is not printed on the on the rubber . It's it's part of the rubber , I suppose .User Interface: So {disfmarker}ProbabProject Manager: I think that's more I think that's more durable anyway than printed on to {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah . That's the beIndustrialDesigner: Hmm .User Interface: And it {disfmarker} I guess it's more easier to just paint it on the rubberIndustrial Designer: Yeah , of course .User Interface:than to uh {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: That's uh the integration story again .Marketing: Mm yeah . Okay .User Interface: So we have it's a bit round shaped,Project Manager: {vocalsound} Oh yeah .User Interface: that's what we had uh {disfmarker} We chose the buttons to be uh teletext , okay button , favouritechannel and the mute .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: So that's basically what we chose there .Project Manager: Okay .User Interface: If you haveanything to add , please interrupt me .Industrial Designer: No , uh this is just a description of what we see there .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: So{disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound} Oh .Industrial Designer: Speaks for itself .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: That's pretty much it .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Okay . Now it's my time to ruin everything . Well , not ruin everything , but {disfmarker} no , nah .User Interface: Oh sorry . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Finances , that's what we have here , what you drew . We have battery power , we have advanced chips and the sam the sensor . The sample sensorand uh {disfmarker} for speak recognition anyway . So which {disfmarker} you see the {disfmarker} which is de o one of the most expensive parts . So{disfmarker} well , we have sin one curve , {vocalsound} a design . Rubber design . And we had a special colour . Suppose yellow is a special colour . So just halfa Euro for {gap} {disfmarker} You have pushbuttons and an L_C_D_ display . You have the total of seventeen Euros in production cost ,Industrial Designer:Hmm .Project Manager: which is higher than the twelve and a half that we are permitted to use . So ,Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: easy . What do we scrap. Well think I had the best solution that I came up with is just to s take out the speech recognition .Industrial Designer: I dUser Interface: I'd say that too.Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Because the L_C_D_ has more support on customer side .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: There areninety one percent of uh the people , or something like that . But ninety percent who favour an L_C_D_ display , and only sixty percent that favour speechrecognition . I think it's also harder to {disfmarker}User Interface: Uh we don't really have a extra function with the speech sample ,Marketing: Yeah .UserInterface: which you can't do with a normal remote control ,Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: {gap} . So I juUser Interface: which people already do .So {disfmarker}Project Manager: I took that out . So {disfmarker} and so it's still stuck with thirteen , so I had to take out the special colour I suppose . And ,yeah , I didn't see anything else I could take out . Yeah , I could take out the push-buttons ,Marketing: PushbutProject Manager: but we need those . So ,generally what I came up with , in order to be cou to to have production cost of twelve and a half Euros , spe scrap speech recognitionIndustrial Designer: Huh .{vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: Special colour , yeah .Project Manager: and the separate covers can account for the {disfmarker} if people want it , we'lljust {disfmarker} then we'll do it in black . We'll just deliver it in black , have the {disfmarker} it has all the function that it's supposed to have , and if you want it{disfmarker} if you want the custom design , then you can buy the separate covers .User Interface: Well ,Project Manager: You make it d orange or whatever youwant .User Interface: I'd {disfmarker} I tend to disagree with you on that , because the trend issue was a big issue when we started designing this .ProjectManager: It was a big issue , but {disfmarker}User Interface: So can't we just basically extend it to thirteen ?Project Manager: I'll just go back . Uh let's just{disfmarker} let's see what {disfmarker} okay , let's just see what we {disfmarker} no , we we have to be under twelve and a half .Marketing: Yeah , it{disfmarker}Project Manager: It {disfmarker} it's not {disfmarker}Marketing: The pProject Manager: uh the project is a no-go if we go over twelve and a half,Industrial Designer: Okay , but there's another problem .Marketing: And the pProject Manager: so .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: But there'sanother problem .Marketing: What {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: If we take another cover , for instance black , then we also need another button frame ,'cause black and black doesn't work obviously .Project Manager: I think you {disfmarker} that's what you were ass assigned to do really , to to see how b th boththose work together .Industrial Designer: Huh . Huh . Yeah .Project Manager: So I think {disfmarker} yeah , it's {disfmarker} I think it's y one of the{disfmarker} it's a good way to um to help people uh to make {disfmarker} to keep the product trendy too .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: Justkeep {disfmarker} you just make new covers for the {disfmarker} for it ,Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: like we agreed before .Industrial Designer:Right . I agree .Project Manager: And everything that's left is is the basic function that uh that we want our product to have . Because the expensive parts are ineither the advanced chip . But we need that for the L_C_D_ display .User Interface: Yeah . We do .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Then again ,we have the L_C_D_ display , which is also expensive . B yeah , but those go together . And yeah , we could take out the curve .Industrial Designer: Or say let'slose rubber , take plastic .User Interface: We could take out a curve indeed .Project Manager: Could {disfmarker} we could take out the curve . Is that an option?Industrial Designer: Yes .Marketing: {gap} .Project Manager: For you ?Industrial Designer: Although we are demolishing a little bit the style .Marketing: But uhthe {disfmarker} and {disfmarker}User Interface: I think the colour is more important than the really the curve ,Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: But{disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: because if you just end up with an entirely black remote control {disfmarker}Project Manager: I thinkit's {disfmarker} it it does ruin it ,Marketing: Yeah . The people {disfmarker}Project Manager: but the fact that I t took that decision or tIndustrial Designer: Yeah.Project Manager: Took this example actually , not really decision , but the example is because we do offer the um {vocalsound} the possibility of adding yourown custom covers . So you can change {gap} any colour you want . So it's just you deliver a basic remote control with a possibility to change you into whateveryou want .Industrial Designer: Can we then not also uh change the material ? We take plastic for the basic coverProject Manager: You can take plastic ,IndustrialDesigner: and {disfmarker}Project Manager: but I d it's something that's stuck into my mind is that {disfmarker} something that really came forward from themarketing research is that people like the the the the squishy feeling of {disfmarker} the spongy feeling of the {disfmarker}Marketing: Spongy , yeah .IndustrialDesigner: We can put those to the to the other covers .Project Manager: and it really makes it {disfmarker} also makes it different from the existing remotecontrols ,Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: because they're all plastic .Marketing: And {disfmarker}Project Manager: So which in in turn {disfmarker}{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: That's true .Project Manager: Rubber would increase durabilityIndustrial Designer: But {disfmarker}Project Manager: becauseit doesn't break .Industrial Designer: okay . But what do you then suggest we'd lose ? Because we have to lose two things and {disfmarker} I guess .ProjectManager: I al like I said , I lost the speech recognition and I lost the special colour ,Marketing: But {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yes .ProjectManager: which would make this black a black and grey .Industrial Designer: Okay , and that's enough ?Project Manager: Yeah , that's that that that's enough ,becauseUser Interface: So black and grey is okay .Project Manager: I guess those are the basic colours .Marketing: But {disfmarker}Project Manager: So{disfmarker} Oh .User Interface: {vocalsound} Which we can fabricate ,Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: I think those are basic col They want to{disfmarker}User Interface: okay .Marketing: The people want to pay for for it , so why why uh {vocalsound} do we have to keep us uh uh um on the twelve and


Project Manager: Is that alright now ? {vocalsound} Okay . Sorry ? Okay , everybody all set to start the meeting ? Okay , we've got half an hour for this one umto uh discuss the um functional design .Marketing: Could you plug me in ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay . Thanks .Project Manager:All ready to go ? Okay .Marketing: Okay . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Um so hopefully you've all been working away , and I've put the minutes of the lastmeeting in the project folder . Um so I guess just to to recap on uh what we did last time . Um kind of uh got to know each other a little bit and uh got familiarwith all the equipment and started to discuss um a bit about the project , you know , cost-wise how much how much money we had to s Um just want to tell youthat you have three new requirements , which is the {disfmarker} The first one {vocalsound} is that um uh the company's decided that teletext is outdated uhbecause of how popular the internet is . Nobody uses teletext very much anymore , so we don't really need to consider that in the functionality of the{disfmarker} of the remote control .Marketing: 'Kay .Project Manager: Um they've also suggested that we um we only use the remote control to control thetelevision , not the V_C_R_ , D_V_D_ or anything else . I think the worry is that if the project becomes too complex then it'll affect um how long it takes us to getit into into production , the time to market . So um , we're just gonna keep it simple and it'll just control the T_V_ .Marketing: Okay .Project Manager: And theother thing was that the company want the corporate colour and slogan to be implemented in the new design . Um I'm not entirely sure what the corporate colouris . It might be yellow , because there seems to be a lot of yellow everywhere .Marketing: And the slogan , like the actual written slogan , or just to embody theidea of the slogan ?Project Manager: Well that's the thing , I'm I'm not sure um {vocalsound} uh th because on the the company website , uh what does it say{disfmarker} Uh something {disfmarker}Marketing: 'Bout putting the fashion in electronics .Industrial Designer: Mm yeah .Project Manager: Yeah , I mean dothey {disfmarker} {vocalsound} Is that something they want actually written on it , 'cause it's quite long . Um or yeah , just the idea , but I'm not sure . So that'ssomething we can discuss as well . So those are the three things , just not to worry about teletext , uh only control the T_V_ , and um and uh incorporate the uhcolour and slogan of the company . Um so is everybody okay with any of that , or do you want me to recap at all ?Industrial Designer: Nope , we're all set .ProjectManager: Right um , time for presentations then . Who would like to go first ?User Interface: {vocalsound} I'll go first .Project Manager: Okay , cool .Marketing:Sure .User Interface: Alright um , can I st steal this from the back of your laptop ? Uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Oh yeah , of course , yeah . G go on ahead.Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: {gap} so this is the technical functions design . Um {vocalsound} {disfmarker} Right {gap} to do the um {vocalsound}the design I have I've had a look online , I've had a look at the homepage , which has given us um some insp inspiration from previous products .ProjectManager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Um I've had a look at the previous products to see what they offer and um I would like to ask you guys for um {vocalsound}your ideas about the design at the end of the meeting . Um unfortunately we're not allowed to talk outside the meeting room , so {disfmarker}Project Manager:{vocalsound} Okay .Marketing: Right .User Interface: Um , having a look at the existing products , I found out that um it tends to come in sort of two extremes ,there's either um a very complicated one that's got lots of buttons , lots of colours , very confusing , you don't know what you're doing . {vocalsound} Um in thatcase the the labelling tends to be very bad . Um there's an example I'll show you at the end , um {gap} sh show you now . Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Alright {gap} .User Interface: {gap} here um the button there and there . This one's prog . Sorry . That one's perg and that one's prog ,and it doesn't really tell you what it does . Um , not sure if you had a a look at the other um control in that example . Um it's a very simple one . It's got only thebasic functions mm but um {vocalsound} it's the same size as the the hard to use one .Project Manager: Oop .User Interface: {vocalsound} Uh it looked a bitclunky . They're very big and not very much use for {gap} buttons . {vocalsound} Um , {vocalsound} and it's just very hard to access the advanced functions .There's there's nothing for instance for a slow motion button . Um , my own preferences , I prefer the the clunky one . Um it's very easy to use . Um butunfortunately it does lack the advanced functions which I I quite like having on the controls . {vocalsound} Um so I believe the the advanced functions shouldmaybe be hidden in a drawer , or something like tha {gap} from the bottom of it . So , {vocalsound} now I'd like to ask for your preferences . Um not sure ofhow long we've got , uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: Um . Well we can chat away for uh for five minutes or so I think at at most .Marketing: Mm-hmm .ProjectManager: Just a couple of minutes anyway .Marketing: M yeah , like a lot of a lot of what I've um read and prepared for this meeting fits in really closely withwhat with what Craig's just gone over . So in part I could I could give you some of my personal preferences but I could also th add some to this which is justabout sort of um sort of market research .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: But anyway ,Project Manager: Shall we sh well we'll stick to kind of your areafor now .Marketing: um we might come to that later .Industrial Designer: Which which is the clunky one , the one on left or on the right?. .User Interface:{vocalsound} Um , the clunky one is the one on the right .Industrial Designer: Okay .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Um clunky in what sense , like um hheavier ? Larger ?User Interface: Um I think it's supposed to be the same size , but um it's got much fewer buttons . It's , you know , it's very spreadoutMarketing: I see , so it's more just basic .Project Manager: Looks kind of {disfmarker} Yeah .User Interface: and kind of {disfmarker} you knowMarketing:Right , okay .User Interface: , I get the idea it'd be sort of about this size . {vocalsound} {gap} got very few buttons on it and {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah.Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah . Sure .Project Manager: Well I think it's a valid point . I mean like the one on the left looks quite um quitecomplicated , and that P_R_T_ p P_R_O_T_ thing is incredibly confusing . Um so I see I see why yo you know you might prefer the simpler design , but yeah youdon't want to lose out on , you know , what it does , so maybe you knowMarketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: you know you get a lot of remote controls whereyou kind of flip the thing open ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I think that's a good idea .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: I think it's agood idea . {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: Um , {vocalsound} do we have any functions that um we'd want on it ?Marketing: Mm-hmm .UserInterface: I mean so far I've got um on and off , um switch the channel up and down , and put the volume up and down .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Uh-huh.User Interface: Um they're just the the very basics you could use for a T_V_ .Project Manager: Uh-huh , and then actual numbers for channels as well , yeah.User Interface: Okay . Um , you say that's a h a required one or a requested one ? Would you likeMarketing: Which was that ?User Interface: um the channelslike the the numbers on thing , um {disfmarker}Marketing: Up {disfmarker} the numbers , or the up down ?Project Manager: God , I wou I would say that'srequired ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I mean there's no way anybody's gonna buy a remote control these days when if you can't actuallyindividually select channels ,Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: I mean would anybody disagree with that ?Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Um , what else , uh{disfmarker} {vocalsound} So don't need to worry about teletext ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: don't need to worry about V_C_R_ , uh any kind oflike display controls at all do you think we need to worry about ,Marketing: We don't ? No ?Project Manager: you know like brightness and contrast ?Marketing:Yeah . Well I think I think es essentially what we're doing right now is we're categorising . We're saying well we want this to be a product that offers all the sort ofmore tricky features but we want them to be in another area ?Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: Is that right ?Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Is that whatwe're we're doing ?User Interface: Um , yeah .Marketing: We're kind of like sorting them an Or are we actually eliminating things we just don't want the productto have ?User Interface: Um {disfmarker}Project Manager: I think {disfmarker} are you are you maybe kind of thinking what we absolutely have to have andwhat would be nice ?User Interface: Uh , to start with um sort of a bit both , um we need to find out exactly what we have to haveProject Manager: Mm-hmm.User Interface: um and after that we can add things if they're possible .Project Manager: Okay , right . Well , do you wanna maybe just , at this point decide onwhat we absolutely must have as a p as a function of this .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Um , so so far , just to recap you've got volume and channel controland {disfmarker}Marketing: Yep .User Interface: There's um on and off , um volume and channel , and skip to certain channels with the numbers .ProjectManager: Right okay . Um {disfmarker}Marketing: Well , one one way I would look at this um would be that we a approach the different controls in terms of umlike control types , so that for the user it's very clear what they want to do where they go .Project Manager: Mm-hmm yeah .Marketing: Uh and also think maybea little bit about sorta w w what would just wanna be acc easily accessible .Project Manager: OkaMarketing: For example if we had audio controls , those could besomething people set up very rarely . Maybe they're un they're they're they're in a little area but covered up um ,Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: thingslike channel and volume um are used all the time , so we just have them right out on top , um very just very sort of self-explanatory . Um so maybe we need tothink about having three or more groupings of controls , you know like one which are just the the habitual ones that should be right within your natural grip . Andothers that are uh also availableIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: and then others that are concealed .Project Manager: Okay .Marketing: Somethinglike that .Project Manager: Uh well , just to to wrap up quickly on this this little section {disfmarker} Have I just lost {disfmarker} Oh no . Um , uh do you thinkmaybe that's the only kind of uh essential requirements , and then maybe just things that would be nice if it could do would be things like audio set up anddisplay set up and things like that , maybe like a mute button , that sort of thing . Any of {disfmarker} you anything to add to that at all ?Marketing: Yeah


Marketing: Hello .Project Manager: {gap} . {gap} .Marketing: Yes , I made it . English from now on {vocalsound} . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer:{vocalsound} {gap} . {vocalsound}Marketing: Drawing or {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah just testing .Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Mm ? English.Industrial Designer: Just kidding .Project Manager: {gap} .Industrial Designer: So annoying .Project Manager: Break is over .Marketing: Ooh it works .ProjectManager: Whoo .Marketing: {vocalsound} Spicy .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Spicy .Marketing: Where are are all the other presentations ?IndustrialDesigner: I just put it in the in the shared folder so it should be {disfmarker}Marketing: The conceptual or {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: yeah I think so .Yeah , conceptual design . What or whatever does it {disfmarker}Marketing: Ah . Because I see only my own presentation {vocalsound} {gap}User Interface:{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: No no no , can you go back one ?Marketing: yeah .Industrial Designer: Uh 'cause it has to be PowerPoint pre yeah componentsdesign , that's it .Marketing: This ? {gap} I'll just put it in there .Project Manager: So , he's coming .Industrial Designer: {gap} . {vocalsound} I did get a bitmore done than the last time ,Marketing: Or not .User Interface: Okay .Project Manager: Oh okay .Industrial Designer: 'cause I knew that I didn't have time so Ijust copy and paste everything into the {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Ah ,Project Manager: Ah . She {gap} .Marketing: I can't cut andpaste it into the other folder but {disfmarker}Project Manager: You can look at the final report , 'cause I have to record everything we are deciding and such , soI'm trying to write it down between everything else .Marketing: Move to meeting room .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Sometimes I have these pop-ups orthese sounds and there's nothing there ,Marketing: Yeah .Project Manager: Oh .Industrial Designer: and also with {disfmarker} I don't know how to usePowerPoint , so it takes me forever to get something done with it .Marketing: Yeah me too , {gap} .User Interface: {vocalsound} I I've got the same problem aswell . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah.Project Manager: Here we go again . Welcome . Uh we have again three presentations and then we have to decide on what concepts the mobile phone has to uh{disfmarker} f the remote control has to support .Industrial Designer: ThiProject Manager: So who wants go .Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Yes.Project Manager: Yes ?Industrial Designer: Who wants to start ?Marketing: Me first again or {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah sure . Doesn't matter .UserInterface: Oh . No . Yeah . No problemMarketing: yeah . Alright . Did you open it already or {disfmarker}Project Manager: No .Marketing: no . Ah . Ah . Yes . Sowelcome to the marketing presentation once again . Um this time about trendwatching . {vocalsound} Uh well there has been inv investigation again , in the inthe remote control market . Uh it shows a number of developments . Uh I will address them uh in a moment . Um fashion watch watchers uh have detected thetrends for young public , because that's our public . Um well fruit and vegetables will be will be the most important theme for clothing , uh shoes and furniture .And the feel of the material is expected to be spongey . So um the developments I will address them {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: ohyeah well this is the fruit and vegetables looks of fresh bright colours . So to give you an idea . Um well the developments ? Uh development one . {vocalsound}Uh well most important aspect for remote control happens to be a fancy look-and-feel . Instead of the current uh functional look-and-feel . Um well fancy standsfor an original look-and-feel of the case and the interface . And the second most important aspect is that a remote control should be technological uh innovative .Um well it stands for the use of technical features that do not exist in current remote controls . I think we pretty much covered that with our screen and um andspeech recognition ,Industrial Designer: Sound . Yeah yeah uh uh .Marketing: so I don't expect that to be a problem . And the third development um is that theremote control should be easy to use . Um {disfmarker} Well the first aspect uh was twice as important as the second aspect,w which was twice as important asthe third aspect .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: So um that kind of gets you this ratios . So fancy look-and-feel uh is the most important uh point ofattention .Project Manager: {gap} .Marketing: Uh so the fruits and vegetables in combination with the spongey material . Um well technolog technologicalinnovation , we've covered that pretty much I guess . Um and easy to use , I don't think that will be problem . So my point of attention is especially this part.Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: That this will be a crux . So that was the marketing uh presentation . I had only one document left .Industrial Designer:And shall I go first ?User Interface: Yeah . No . I I don't mi I don't mind .Industrial Designer: So I {disfmarker}User Interface: That's {disfmarker}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Yeah yeah sure . No .Marketing: So kind of this {disfmarker}User Interface: Do you want to go first ? Okay .Industrial Designer: Yeah?Marketing: {vocalsound} So a k a small example .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: Kind of this this look .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:Uh nothing about the buttons but just sponge kind of thing , and and some fruit and coloursUser Interface: Yeah .Marketing: I dunno . {vocalsound} Just made aquick design .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Cool . {vocalsound} Yeah you're just the user interface hmm ?User Interface: It's better than thanmy uh drawing . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Alright .Marketing: Alright . {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah okay but I have to design the{disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Uh components .Project Manager: Yeah layout .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah okay .Industrial Designer: Oh no.Marketing: Yeah . It's okay .Project Manager: You probably opened it .Industrial Designer: Yeah true . Um {disfmarker}Project Manager: F_ five .Marketing: F_five .Industrial Designer: Alright . So {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: I'm dealing with the components design . Um let's see . I uh usedsome design examples we had uh from similar products . And I used uh possibilities from our manufacturing department about current components which willhave to be implemented in the design . That's why I had to , wanted to go first . Well they gave me um an idea about what people want . We're f mainly focusingon this group , but I want to make the distinction clear . Uh I could not drag the pictures into the the slides so s so I don't have examples of how it looks like . Butit comes down to what you uh what you think we should do with the spongey and the fruity looking uh type . If you , the young dynamic people want soft primarycolours uh , which looks like fruits you know , you can {disfmarker} and shapes that are curved and not uh solid straight lines anymore . So this basically umyeah goes on to what you were mentioning earlier . There is a lot of um {vocalsound} factors involved in choosing the components .User Interface:{vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: There's a lot of options that we have to discuss . Uh for example the energy source . we havefour types . The basic battery . Uh we have a hand dynamo , which we yeah we Dutch refer to it as the kneipgatt .Project Manager: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Uhthe kinetic provision of energy which means if you move the thing , if you shake it .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Which will be fun fortoddlers right , if they wanna use the {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: And uh of course solar cells . But I dunnohow we would use that into the design of the actual product .Marketing: Wi an indoors .Industrial Designer: So uh my {disfmarker}Project Manager: Yeah okay.Marketing: Oh .Project Manager: Calculator's can do it .Industrial Designer: yeah also also in you know countries where there's n isn't much light like inScandinavia , they wouldn't be y able to use it half of the year you know .User Interface: {vocalsound} Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} Yeah .Project Manager:Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: So that's not cool either . So um {vocalsound} for the uh a case , there's uh the traditional uncurved flat hard case . Single curved, which means that it has uh curves in one dimension . Or the double curved . Um {vocalsound} I wasn't able to finish my uh personal preferences sheet , butwell you know that we will have to go for the double curved 'cause it's daring and different from what we have now . Uh the case materials .Marketing: Yeah.Industrial Designer: Well we have all kinds of hard uh materials like the the hard plastic , the wood and the titanium . I would definitely go for rubber 'cause it fitsmost in what people wanna see nowadays .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Um poo , this is a lot of text . I wasn't able to organise this yet . We have yeahseveral uh interface designs . Uh we can use a scroll buttons for the menus , but we already kind of decided to go for the f for the pushbuttons , for the the arrowbuttons .User Interface: Yeah . Pushbuttons . Yeah .Industrial Designer: So that's not really interesting .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Electronics ? Yeah ,{vocalsound} maybe we wanna decide on what electronics to use {gap} the advanced chip I think is easiest to implement uh for the production , 'cause they theycan print it better . Um {disfmarker} Yeah . I think this is about it . Yeah I was working on some per personal preferences . I first uh chose for the battery , 'causeyeah I'm traditional and that's the most obvious , easiest choice to go to . But I really think that we should maybe uh think about the kinetic energy ,UserInterface: Yeah .Industrial Designer: where you have to move the thing to be able to use it .User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah .User Interface: As anoptional uh feature .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Or combine uh both with a with one uhProject Manager: Uh I think you can only fit one uh source of energyon the {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah maybe we {disfmarker}Marketing: I guess we can only choose one .User Interface: Okay .Industrial Designer: Ican imagine that the kinetic uh type energy source would be more expensive to make . But it is more longlasting , that the people don't have to ever buybatteries again .Project Manager: YeahMarketing: Yeah . And it's more fun .Project Manager: I didn't receive any info uh .Industrial Designer: And it's also morefun yeah . I always chuck my uh remote control around , so {disfmarker}Marketing: Yeah , just playing with itProject Manager: Yeah .Marketing: and{disfmarker} especially when the material's rubber . It can be done , I mean , you can't harm it ,Project Manager: S yeah it's safe .User Interface: {vocalsound}And throw it {gap} .Industrial Designer: Yeah y exactly .Marketing: so it's a perfect combination I guess .Industrial Designer: You don't have to be scared about


Grad H: stGrad F: So we 're on .Grad H: Yeah . That 's better .Grad F: And , {comment} somewhere is my agenda . I think the most important thing is Morganwanted to talk about , uh , the ARPA {pause} demo .Professor D: Well , so , here 's the thing . Um , why don't we s again start off with {disfmarker} with , uh ,Yeah , I 'll get it . I 'll get the door . Um , I think we want to start off with the agenda . And then , given that , uh , Liz and Andreas are gonna be {pause} ten ,fifteen minutes late , we can try to figure out what we can do most effectively without them here . So {disfmarker} {vocalsound} So {disfmarker} so , one thingis , yeah , talk about demo ,Grad F: OK . So , uh {disfmarker} uh , IBM transcription status ,Professor D: IBM transcription . Uh , what else ?Grad F: ProfessorD:  What 's SmartKom ? SmartKom ?Grad F: Uh , we wanna talk about if w if we wanna add the data to the mar Meeting Recorder corpus .PhD E: The data . Thedata which we are collecting here .Professor D: What {disfmarker} what {disfmarker} what are we collecting here ?PhD E: Data ?Grad F: So why don't we havethat on the agenda and we 'll {disfmarker} we 'll get to it and talk about it ?PhD E: The SmartKom data ?Professor D: Yeah , right .PhD E: Yeah .Professor D: Uh ,right . Uh .Grad F: Uh , reorganization status .Professor D: Reorganization status .Postdoc A: Oh . Files and directories ?Professor D: Files and directories .Grad F:Yep . Uh - huh . Absinthe , which is the multiprocessor UNIX {disfmarker} Linux . I think it was {pause} Andreas wanted to talk about segmentation andrecognition , and update on SRI recognition experiments .Professor D: Um {disfmarker}Grad F: And then if ti if there 's time I wanted to talk about digits , but itlooked like we were pretty full , so I can wait till next week .Professor D: Right . OK . Well , let 's see . I think the a certainly the segmentation and recognition wewanna maybe focus on when An - Andreas is here since that was particularly his thing .PhD E: And also the SmartKom thing should bProfessor D: SmartKom also, Andreas . Absinthe , I think also he has sort of been involved in a lot of those things .Grad F: At least ,Professor D: Yeah .Grad F: yeah , he 'll t he 'll probably beinterested .Professor D: Yeah .Grad F: But .Professor D: Um So , I mean , I think they 'll be inter I 'll be interested in all this , but {disfmarker} but , uh , probably, if we had to pick something {pause} that we would talk on for ten minutes or so while they 're coming here . Or I guess it would be , you think , reorganizationstatus , or {disfmarker} ?Grad F: Yeah . I mean , I think , Chuck was the one who added out the agenda item . I don't really have anything to say other than thatwe still haven't done it .PhD B: Well , I mean , I uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound} just basically that {disfmarker}Grad F: So .PhD B: maybe I said {disfmarker}maybe we said this before {disfmarker} just that we met and we talked about it and we sort of have a plan for getting things organized and {disfmarker}PostdocA: And I {disfmarker} and I think a crucial part of that is the idea of {disfmarker} of not wanting to do it until right before the next level zero back - up so thatthere won't be huge number of {disfmarker} of added ,PhD B: Right .Postdoc A: uh {disfmarker}Grad F: Right .PhD B: That {disfmarker} that was basically it .Not {disfmarker} not much @ @ {disfmarker}Grad F: Although Dave basically said that if we wanna do it , just tell him and he 'll do a d level zero then .PostdocA: Yeah . Uh - huh . Oh , excellent .Grad F: So .Postdoc A: Oh , good .PhD B: Oh , so maybe we should just go ahead and get everything ready , and{disfmarker}Grad F: Yep . So , I think we do need to talk a little bit about {disfmarker} Well , we don't need to do it during this meeting .PhD B: Yeah .Grad F:We have a little more to discuss . But , uh , we 're {disfmarker} we 're basically ready to do it . And , uh , I have some web pages on ts {comment} more of thebackground . So , naming conventions and things like that , that I 've been trying to keep actually up to date . So . And I 've been sharing them with U - d UWfolks also .Postdoc A: I 'm sorry , you 've been what ? Showing them ?Professor D: OK .Postdoc A: Sharing them .Grad F: Sharing them with the UW folks.Postdoc A: OK . OK .Professor D: OK . Well , maybe uh , since that {disfmarker} that was a pretty short one , maybe we should talk about the IBM transcriptionstatus . Someone can {vocalsound} fill in Liz and Andreas later . UhGrad F: OK . So , we , uh {disfmarker} we did another version of the beeps , where weseparated each beeps with a spoken digit . Chuck came up here and recorded some di himself speaking some digits , and so it just goes " beep one beep " andthen the phrase , and then " beep two beep " and then the phrase . And that seems pretty good . Um , I think they 'll have a b easier time keeping track of wherethey are in the file .PhD E: And we have done that on the {pause} automatic segmentations .Grad F: And we did it with the automatic segmentation , and I don'tthink {disfmarker} We ne we didn't look at it in detail . We just sent it to IBM . We {disfmarker} we sorta spot - checked it .PhD B: I listened to {pause} probably, uh , five or ten minutes of it from the beginning .PhD E: Yeah .Grad F: Oh , really ?PhD B: Yeah .Grad F: OK .PhD B: And {disfmarker}Grad F: I sorta spot -checked here and there and it sounded pretty good . So . I think it 'll work .Professor D: OK .Grad F: And , uh , we 'll just hafta see what we get back from them .Uh {disfmarker}PhD B: And the main thing will be if we can align what they give us with what we sent them . I mean , that 's the crucial part .Grad F: Right .PhDB: And I think we 'll be able to do that at {disfmarker} with this new beep format .Grad F: Yep . Well , I think it 's also they are much less likely to d have errors.PhD B: Mm - hmm .Grad F: I mean , so the problem wi last time is that there were errors in the transcripts where they put beeps where there weren't any , or{disfmarker} and they put in extraneous beeps .PhD B: Right . Yeah .Grad F: And with the numbers there , it 's much less likely .PhD B: Yeah , one interestingnote is {disfmarker} uh , or problem {disfmarker} I dunno if this was just because of how I play it back , I say , uh , SND - play and then the file , every once in awhile , @ @ {comment} uh , like a beep sounds like it 's cut into two beeps .PhD E: Yeah . Into two pieces .PhD B: Yeah , and I {disfmarker} I dunno if that 's an, uh , artifact of playback {disfmarker}PhD E: Yeah . Yep .PhD B: bu uh , I don't think it 's probably in the original file . Um , but , uh {disfmarker}PhD E: Irecognize that , too . Yeah .Grad F: Ha . That 's interesting . I didn't hear that .PhD B: Yeah . But with this new format , um , that hopefully they 're not hearingthat , and if they are , it shouldn't throw them .PhD E: Yep .PhD B: So .Grad F: Well , maybe we better listen to it again , make sure , but , I mean , certainly thesoftware shouldn't do that ,PhD B: Yeah . That 's what I thought .Grad F: so .Postdoc A: Mm - hmm .PhD B: I it 's probably just , you know , mmm , somehow theaudio {pause} device gets hung for a second ,PhD E: Yeah . Some latency or something .Grad F: Hiccups .PhD E: Yeah ?Postdoc A: As long as they have onenumber , and they know that there 's only one beep maximum {vocalsound} that goes with that number .PhD B: or {disfmarker}PhD E: Yeah .PhD B: Yeah .Right .Grad F: Yeah . The only {disfmarker} the only part that might be confusing is when Chuck is reading digits .PhD B: Right .PhD E: Yep .Postdoc A: Well ,you know , actually , are we having them {disfmarker}PhD B: So {vocalsound} thGrad F: " Seven four eight beep seven beep {vocalsound} eight three two ".Postdoc A: Yeah , but are we having them do digits ?Grad F: Yes . Because , uh , we don't {disfmarker} we didn't {disfmarker} In order to cut them out we 'dhave to listen to it .PhD B: We {disfmarker} we didn't cut those out .PhD E: Yeah . They are not transcribed yet . So . Yeah .Postdoc A: OK .PhD E: Yeah .Grad F:And we wanted to avoid doing that ,Postdoc A: OK .Grad F: so we {disfmarker} they are transcribing the digits .Postdoc A: OK .PhD B: We can {disfmarker} wecan ignore it when we get it back ,Grad F: Although we could tell them {disfmarker} {comment} {vocalsound} we could tell them , if you hear someone readinga digits string just say " bracket digit bracket "PhD B: huh .Grad F: and don't bother actually computing the di writing down the digits .PhD B: Yeah .Postdoc A:That 'd be great . That 'd be what I 'm having the transcribers here do , cuz it can be extracted later .Grad F: Yep . And then I wanted to talk about {disfmarker}but as I said I {disfmarker} we may not have time {disfmarker} what we should do about digits . We have a whole pile of digits that haven't been transcribed.Professor D: Le - let 's talk about it , because that 's {disfmarker} that 's something that I {disfmarker} I know Andreas is less interested in than Liz is ,Grad F:OK .Professor D: so , you know . It 's good {disfmarker}Grad F: Do we have anything else to say about transcription ? About IBM stuff ?PhD B: Uh , Brian{disfmarker} I {disfmarker} I {vocalsound} sent bresset {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} sent Brian a message about {pause} {vocalsound} themeeting and I haven't heard back yet . So . I g hope he got it and hopefully he 's {disfmarker}Grad F: OK .Postdoc A: Hmm .PhD B: maybe he 's gone , I dunno .He didn't even reply to my message . So . I should probably ping him just to make sure that he got it . Grad F: Alright . So , we have a whole bunch of digits , ifwe wanna move on to digits .Professor D: Actually , maybe I {disfmarker} One {disfmarker} one relate more related thing in transcription . So that 's the IBMstuff . We 've got that sorted out . Um , how 're we doing on the {disfmarker} on the rest of it ?Postdoc A: We 're doing well . I {disfmarker} I hire {disfmarker} I've hired two extra people already , expect to hire two more .Grad F: Hmm .Postdoc A: And , um , {vocalsound} I 've prepared , um , uh , a set of five which I 'm{disfmarker} which I 'm calling set two , which are now being edited by my head transcriber , {vocalsound} in terms of spelling errors and all that . She 's alsochecking through and mar and {disfmarker} {vocalsound} and monitoring , um , the transcription of another transcriber . You know , I mean , she 's goingthrough and doing these kinds of checks .Professor D: Uh - huh .Postdoc A: And , I 've moved on now to what I 'm calling set three . I sort of thought if I do it insets {disfmarker} groups of five , then I can have , like , sort of a {disfmarker} a parallel processing through {disfmarker} through the {disfmarker} the current.Professor D: Uh - huh .Postdoc A: And {disfmarker} and you indicated to me that we have a g a goal now , {vocalsound} for the {disfmarker} for the , um ,{nonvocalsound} {vocalsound} the , uh , DARPA demo , of twenty hours . So , I 'm gonna go up to twenty hours , be sure that everything gets processed , andreleased , and {disfmarker} {pause} {comment} and that 's {disfmarker} that 's what my goal is . Package of twenty hours right now , {vocalsound} and thenonce that 's done , move on to the next .Professor D: Yeah , uh , so twenty hours . But I guess the other thing is that , um , that {disfmarker} that 's kindatwenty hours ASAP because the longer before the demo we actually have the twenty hours , the more time it 'll be for people to actually do cool things with it


Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: So ,Project Manager: So , uh now {vocalsound}Marketing: Hi Christa . {vocalsound}Project Manager: it's the {disfmarker}{vocalsound} Hi Sammy . {vocalsound} It's the detail design meeting , so we're going {disfmarker} last meeting . So um , first uh Mark and Rama are going topresent uh the prototype . Uh then uh Sammy will propose some uh crite cr criteria to evaluate this prototype . Then , w we {disfmarker} {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yes . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Yes . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} And then we going to dosome finance to see if uh it is uh feasibleUser Interface: And chocolate ? {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} and uh at the end we will we will umevaluate ourself as a team . {vocalsound} And that's all . Okay . So first , {vocalsound} let's uh see the prototype .Marketing: Mm .Industrial Designer: Yeah.Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Uh , here we have our prototype model .Project Manager: Okay . And you have some slides then ?UserInterface: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah , we have also some slides .Project Manager: {gap} Yeah . Mm .User Interface: Yes , and place some slides.Project Manager: Okay . Uh so in which uh {disfmarker}User Interface: Uh , participant three . {vocalsound} Prototype .Industrial Designer: In {disfmarker}Yeah .Project Manager: Mm okay . Mm .Industrial Designer: Five .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Uh , so this is our remote control.Industrial Designer: Him .Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: It's a r working prototype . You can use it now by switching all these buttons . So first ,I present as we came to this perfect model ,Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: and then we'll give some technical specifications .Marketing: Yeah.Project Manager: Mm-hmm .User Interface: That's {vocalsound} well {vocalsound} {vocalsound} , so that's that . Please , next slide . We analysed all thefruitsProject Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: and contacted NASA , and uh made some {vocalsound} real good {disfmarker}Project Manager: MASA ?{vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah . If you can see this , and the stars are showing that{gap} . And um , {vocalsound} s society will accept that . For sure .Marketing: Mm-hmm .User Interface: {vocalsound} And making some analysis of differentfruits , we choose the ultimate form , ultimate colours , and uh ultimate smell of it . S please , next slide . But we still didn't want to go far from our titanium idea, 'cause it's the most of the moder the m the {gap} modern material we can p select . And it's practical . And it's still say it's for our needs , so please presssomething . And as I said , {vocalsound} it's perfect . {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}UserInterface: {vocalsound} Please press it .Industrial Designer: Experience . ExplanatUser Interface: Everyone is {gap} f really uh really glad to obtain an{disfmarker} {vocalsound} s such a r such a device .Marketing: Such a nice thing . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: See this {gap} . {vocalsound}UserInterface: So you can touch it with your hands .Marketing: Can I ?User Interface: Sure . Yes . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: You can {disfmarker}Marketing:Ho-ho . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} imitating flatulence] {vocalsound}Project Manager: What do you say ? {vocalsound}User Interface:NMarketing: It says {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} You must say it .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Spongy .Marketing: I will uh {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} One day .Marketing: I'll buy it . {vocalsound}User Interface: Yeah .{vocalsound}Marketing: If I if I need so . {vocalsound}Project Manager: He {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing:Hopefully my daughter will like it . {vocalsound}User Interface: Okay . Y and we got the answer . Uh , it is , yes , of course .Marketing: Yes , of course . Of ccourse . {vocalsound}User Interface: {gap} , please next slide . Um , this is a prototype . You can have a look at it , and {disfmarker} That's all I wanted to say.Marketing: Ah .User Interface: Now it's technical specification by our colleague .Industrial Designer: Hmm .Project Manager: Hmm .Industrial Designer: So{disfmarker}Marketing: Oh , there is {vocalsound} a button missing .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Marketing: {vocalsound} Okay .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: This this is really flexible . You can add your buttons .Marketing: It's in option . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Yeah . So function , mm {disfmarker}Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} So , as we discussed , we have to switch on switch offwhenever we want . And so , we have buttons and using L_C_D_ , or like you can use this {vocalsound} jog wheel and select which ever option on the L_C_D_ ,and then do on and off . {vocalsound} Then you ha you'll have volume control . So , you you can press these buttons to increase or decrease the volume .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And we have some L_C_D_ controls . Like , m switching the L_C_D_ display if you want to use L_C_D_ , or you don'twant you can just use normal button .Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: And we have speech recognition . Here you have microphone , and then itdate records your voice , and then it try to recognise .Marketing: Hmm .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And it can also do the action .ProjectManager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And location finder . And we want to do the location basically using speech recogniser . You can just say , where is myremote control .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Industrial Designer: Or uh , you can just give some nickname to your remote control , like Bobby {gap} .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Bobby . {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .Marketing: {vocalsound} Hey , babe .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} And then , {vocalsound} it will say hi .{vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Bob . {vocalsound} Hey Bob . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Yeah , hi , and then you can use it .{vocalsound}Marketing: Okay ,Project Manager: Hmm . {vocalsound} 'Kay . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Marketing: that's good.Industrial Designer: So , {vocalsound} um our team is now fruits . Mainly strawberry . So , you can {vocalsound} have {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} Oh , these are strawberries . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: And then you can see the look L_C_D_ and all the switches .Project Manager:{vocalsound} Are colourful . Yeah . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Material , we want to stick to titanium .{vocalsound} We will send , we want to {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} Fruit smelling spongy titanium . {vocalsound} I didn't know it exist ,but that's great .Industrial Designer: Yeah , or s {vocalsound} So , we want to have {vocalsound} simple and perfect shapes , like I shown in these phones . Youcan have your own designs and and you can feel simple designs . {vocalsound} {vocalsound} And you can choose colours on your day for each day , or evenmany colours .Marketing: Ha .Project Manager: Ho-ho . That's for the L_C_D_ or for the titanium ?Marketing: You mean we can change the colour uh ofthIndustrial Designer: For the L_C_D_ .Marketing: Yeah . Yeah okay , for the L_C_D_ .Industrial Designer: With titanium it's {disfmarker} it is silver .Marketing:Tit titanium is {disfmarker}User Interface: We are still working on titanium .Project Manager: Mm-mm .Industrial Designer: Yeah .User Interface: So , r we'llstart with L_C_D_ .Marketing: Uh , okay .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Mm , yeah . {vocalsound}User Interface: You can ask Bob . It'sTuesday . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Hey , you know you're theme today . {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Yeah , Bob , please . {vocalsound} {gap} Tuesday colour . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Yeah . Even you can configure your colours for its {disfmarker} the{disfmarker} depending on your mood , or sMarketing: Okay .Project Manager: Hmm .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} Black for Sunday . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} And you can have many colours on weekends . Or {disfmarker}{vocalsound}Project Manager: And w wait , wh what are the strawberries for ? {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Wh whIndustrial Designer: Huh ?Marketing: On theL_C_D_ ?Industrial Designer: Ah , these are like sensors .Marketing: Oh .Project Manager: Mm-hmm . {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} Of course .User Interface: That's location sensors .Marketing: {vocalsound} What do you think ? {vocalsound} Strawberry sensors . {vocalsound}Very useful .Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound} Strawberries .Industrial Designer: So , {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}IndustrialDesigner: after this meeting we'll propose a party for our success for {disfmarker}Project Manager: {vocalsound} Ah . {vocalsound}Marketing: Lounge meeting .{vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} So , if you are vegetarian or you have any options , please let us know .Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface:Yeah , and we can just {gap} some strawberry first . Um {disfmarker}Industrial Designer: Yeah .Project Manager: {vocalsound} Okay . {vocalsound} Mm-hmm .{vocalsound}Marketing: Alright . Good . {vocalsound}User Interface: Oops .Industrial Designer: SMarketing: So , huh . Interesting . In interesting . Mm mm.Project Manager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Uh {disfmarker} {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: So , any specific questions for {disfmarker}Project Manager:we'll see in the financial part if uh {vocalsound} all {vocalsound} {gap} {vocalsound} gets into {disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound} It makes sense .Industrial Designer: Yeah . {vocalsound}User Interface: Let's make a party first maybe . {vocalsound} {vocalsound}ProjectManager: {vocalsound} {vocalsound} W Who is the five uh {disfmarker} fifty millions we {vocalsound} first make a party in ?Industrial Designer: Yeah . Thenwe can discuss {disfmarker} We can {disfmarker} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} Yeah , then we can have how much for how money is left .{vocalsound}Marketing: So uh , this is {disfmarker}Project Manager: Mm-hmm .Marketing: What a design .Project Manager: Okay . {vocalsound} Uh , so{disfmarker} Let's uh ,Marketing: {vocalsound} It's my turn .Project Manager: yeah , let's see if uh th it's meet the evaluation criterium .{vocalsound}Marketing: Mm-hmm . Let's see if this {disfmarker} Yeah , if you meet {vocalsound} the evaluation criterion .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Yeah . {vocalsound}Project Manager: Oops .Marketing: {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: Fudge .Marketing: Yeah . So , evaluation please . So . You made a very


Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Are you sure I got it all {disfmarker} head's kinda small .User Interface: How're we placed in terms of the{disfmarker}Marketing: Okay . {gap}User Interface: alright .Marketing: We're okay ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} Guess I should probably try to sit upstraight .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Like that ? Okay , cool .Marketing: We're good ?Industrial Designer: Oh , I think mine's fallen off .UserInterface: It fell {disfmarker} That's why .Marketing: I guess it's gonna be hard to drink coffee .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: Mm .User Interface:{vocalsound}Marketing: Uh okay .User Interface: Ah .Project Manager: Okay ? {vocalsound} Right , so I'm just gonna start this PowerPoint real quick . Yeah ,PowerPoint .Industrial Designer: Wow .User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Very official .Project Manager: Yeah , well , you know , {vocalsound}{vocalsound} {vocalsound} {vocalsound} .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Yeah I kinda like this I'm kindagetting into it . Right . Um . So just to kick off the meeting basically um so we're working now for a real reaction , this is uh so it {vocalsound} right . Just got anagenda to set out what we're gonna try to accomplish in this particular first meeting . Um {vocalsound} We're gonna just do a quick opening and we canhopefully all get acquainted with one another um then we're gonna start {disfmarker} talk a little bit about tool training . Essentially that means getting used tothe only thing that we haven't tried out yet , the whiteboard . {vocalsound} Um {vocalsound} we've got a general plan for the project how we're gonna go aboutaccomplishing this and then just a bit of discussion close up . Um I {gap} guess you know game or something um {vocalsound} in real life um so yeah basically Iwant to {disfmarker} I'm just gonna {disfmarker} you got {disfmarker} of course you can discuss that , I'm thinking about um {vocalsound} uh proposing thatsince we've got this weird blend of ourselves and our roles that we just don't ask , don't tell . {vocalsound} Um so um if you say something about marketing ,right , sorted , um {vocalsound} y isMarketing: {vocalsound} You're just gonna believe me ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: we'll go from there.Project Manager: Exactly . Um I meanMarketing: Fair enough .Project Manager: obvi if if you guys {disfmarker} if if at the same time if you {disfmarker} likelogically if something doesn't {disfmarker} like if I'm like we're gonna sell a remote control that's the size of this paper book you know um you say like well thatdoesn't seem like such a good idea because of X_ obviously go with it . I mean we'll discuss it but I'm not gonna ask do you know that or uh yeah it seemslikeMarketing: Prove itProject Manager: {vocalsound} yeah yeah exactlyMarketing: yeah , okay .Project Manager: so , 'cause we're {disfmarker} what we're sortof role playing is y g yeah you're gonna tap into your own knowledge as well {vocalsound} um . And that's the same for your when we do introductions I meanum and you talk about your background you know have fun , you know maybe you went to um {vocalsound} uh you know maybe i you're like in Maine you wentto U_C_S_B_ but you wanna say you went to Harvard or something like that , why not , you knowIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: you can {disfmarker} this is you know I guess we can have a little bit of fun with it . So are you guys okay with that does thatseem logical ?Industrial Designer: Oh yeah , that's fine .User Interface: Sure .Marketing: Works for me .Project Manager: Sweet . Cool . So I guess that that{vocalsound} we're totally {disfmarker} we're making a remote control which is thrillingIndustrial Designer: Right .Project Manager: um uh but the idea is thatwe can make something based on the whole corporate model I dunno if you guys had time to check the {disfmarker} in real life I dunno if you guys uh{vocalsound} checked the um {vocalsound} uh the corporate website . Um we've got to make something as fashionable as possible , that's kind of the corporatestrategy is we're gonna try to take ordinary stuff that nobody really thinks about and try to make it nice you know like John Lewis nice or you know if you go toDebenham's or something . So um basically we are reinventing the wheel but we wanna try to do it in a user friendly um slick sleek kind of way . {vocalsound}Um way we're gonna go about doing that is basically at first we're gonna start on the basics . And that's where I'm gonna need you guys the User InterfaceDesigners and the um {vocalsound} um the other designer that I can't remember ,Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: the the I_D_ and the U_I_D_ rightum {vocalsound} the Industrial DesignerIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: hey right onalright ,User Interface: Mm .Project Manager: getting into it umMarketing: There you go .Project Manager: to guide me and guide us on this project 'cause you'regonna be {disfmarker} you're g you guys are the bottom you know you're like no you can't do that you can't have you know X_ and Y_ um at the same time .And then um we'll work up from what is necessary to more like what would be good , you know like um {vocalsound} I I think you guys probably got the sameemails I did but the idea of um , yes a coffee pot needs to be able to hold coffee but it's also better if it's not like really cheap glass so that it if you touch it youhurt your hand , or something like that . Um and so we'll work up from there and um then we'll meet on and talk about it and then finally we'll incorporate as kindof the last stage you know where you guys build or tell me {vocalsound} tell us what's possible and then you tell us what we can um hope for and what way to gotake the the the take the basics and make it nicer and then ov obviously uh the U_I_D_ and the I_D_ you know you you can keep on the you know sort of at thecutting edge of how to get about maximising what is possible um to try t of sync it all up . So that's the detailed design . So it's a three stage kind of thing . Umright so for now just for th the white board um basically uh just to get used to it , I haven't tried it yet either um I'm just gonna start and um mm carry like fiveremotes around um and just write down {disfmarker} I'm just gonna write down one of the names of my um desert discs you know if you {disfmarker} if youwere trapped on a desert island and you could only bring five C_D_s along with you name one of them that you could , not all five , if you wanna write all five gofor it but name one of them that you could um . Oh , we skipped introductions . Nice . I'm a excellent Project Manager . Um .Marketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: I'm Marty ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: um I went to uni at uh U_C_ Santa Barbara and I'm hereworking on a P_H_D_ in psychology . Um yeah . So {disfmarker}Marketing: I'm Sarah , I went to Michigan , and I'm here doing cultural studies and I'm theMarketing Manager or something . Marketing ,Project Manager: Expert {vocalsound}Marketing: yeah Expert . Expert .Project Manager: Don't play yourself down .Expert {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Fine . That's me .User Interface: I'm Ron . I uh once upon a time studied in Victoria and I am theUser Interface Designer .Industrial Designer: I'm Nathan , I'm from California , and I'm here doing a Masters degree in social anthropology .Project Manager:Where did you go to uni Nathan ?Industrial Designer: {vocalsound} U_C_L_A_ .Project Manager: Oh brilliant . Cool . My little brother goes there .IndustrialDesigner: Yeah . Okay .Project Manager: Right so desert island discs .Marketing: So .Project Manager: Yeah .Marketing: So do we have to wait for you to write itdown or are you gonna tell us ?Project Manager: Well I'll t iMarketing: I'm waiting to know .Project Manager: no no yeah I'm just gonna write a couple of 'emdown . See I'm a big music fan I don't know if you guys are , I'm assuming everybody likes music to some lesser or greater extentMarketing: Uh{disfmarker}Project Manager: but there's some other options , if you're a T_V_ slutMarketing: Fair enough .Project Manager: like I am like Smallville terribletelevision showIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: but I happen to love it ,Marketing: Oh , Smallville .UserInterface: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: it's rubbish but I love it .Marketing: I went to high school with Tom Willing actually .Project Manager: Tthe the main c the main character ?Marketing: The guy . Yeah .Project Manager: Wow . Is he a wanker ?User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Yeah .{vocalsound} Very much so . Hell of a soccer player but a total bastard nonetheless .Project Manager: He looks really tall , like he's gotta be like six six.Marketing: Yeah . He is a big guy . Yeah .Project Manager: Yeah . Um okay so {vocalsound} I really like Jeff Buckley . You guys heard of Jeff Buckley ?IndustrialDesigner: Mm-hmm .Marketing: Mm-hmm .Project Manager: Um that's cool 'cause like not very many people have . Um {vocalsound} and um oh well I might aswell throw a British person in there um you can't go wrong with Radiohead .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: It's a rMarketing: Good call .ProjectManager: {vocalsound} Okay so it really works just like a pen only makes noises I think . It's kinda weird . AnywayMarketing: Interesting .Project Manager: yeah. Yeah , you're like press and it's {vocalsound} .Marketing: {vocalsound}Project Manager: Kinda cool .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: You'llsee . Alright so umUser Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: whoever wants to get up next , you can write down some telly that you watch or whatever youwant .Marketing: I guess I'll go next then .Project Manager: Right on .User Interface: Go for it .Marketing: Okay . Don't wanna lose all my mikes , plugged in here. Okay . This is basically just pen practice huh ?Project Manager: WMarketing: Okay . Oh you're much taller than me so I'm gonna write down here . Um . Rightnow I'm listening to a lot of somebody nobody's ever heard of , Chris Bathgate ,Project Manager: Mm .Marketing: local Michigan folk singer ,Project Manager:Nice .Industrial Designer: Wow .Marketing: really lameUser Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: and uh uh what else did I bring with me ? Probably classical , tototally geek it out ,Project Manager: Okay yeah yeah .Marketing: yeah I think . And my family guy D_V_D_sProject Manager: Well yeah .Marketing: but we don'tneed to write that one down .Project Manager: Oh , family guy . Isn't h has hIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: do you watch the new season?Marketing: No . Are you getting it online ,Project Manager: {vocalsound} I think I'm gonna start downloading itMarketing: or is it on sky ?Project Manager: yeah.Marketing: Yeah , that'd be nice .User Interface: Alright . Think I'm just gonna put down one uh one C_D_ . Anybody ?Project Manager: Mm-mm .IndustrialDesigner: No .User Interface: No ? {gap} no ?Marketing: 'Fraid not .User Interface: Afro beat orchestra , very cool .Project Manager: Afro beat orchestra ? Very


The Chair (Hon. Anthony Rota (NipissingTimiskaming, Lib.)): We'll call this meeting to order. Welcome to the fifth meeting of the House of Commons SpecialCommittee on the COVID-19 Pandemic.  Pursuant to the order passed on Monday, April20, the committee is meeting today to consider ministerialannouncements, to allow members of the committee to present petitions, and to question ministers, including the Prime Minister, about the COVID-19 pandemic.Tomorrow, May8, Dr.AndreaMcCrady, Dominion Carillonneur, will give a special recital to mark the 75th anniversary of Victory in Europe Day. Victory in EuropeDay, VE Day, commemorates the formal acceptance of Germany's surrender by allied forces at the end of the Second World War. While the pandemic prevents usfrom gathering to celebrate in person, tomorrow at noon the voice of our nation will ring out in remembrance of this milestone in our history. Today's meeting istaking place by video conference. The proceedings will be made available via the House of Commons website. Just so you are aware, the webcast will alwaysshow the person speaking rather than the entire committee. I would like to remind members that, as in the House of Commons or committee, they should nottake photos of their colleagues or film the proceedings. In order to facilitate the work of the interpreters and to allow the meeting to proceed smoothly, I wouldask you to follow some instructions. The video conference will be interpreted as in normal meetings of committees and in the House. In the lower part of yourscreen, you can choose the language: floor, English or French. Please wait until I call on you by name before you begin to speak. When you are ready to speak,click on the microphone icon to activate your microphone, or hold the space bar down while you are speaking. If you release the bar, your microphone will revertto mute, just like a walkie-talkie. 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You can click through the multiple pages in the gallery view to see who is on and how many more participantsthere are. I understand there are no ministerial announcements today. We will now proceed to presenting petitions for a period not exceeding 15 minutes. I wouldlike to remind members that any petition presented during the meeting of the special committee must have already been certified by the clerk of petitions. Inaddition, to ensure a petition is considered properly presented, the certificate of the petition and each page of the petition for a petition certified in a previousParliament should be mailed to the committee no later than 6 p.m. the day before. Now we'll go to presenting petitions. Mr. Genuis.Mr. Garnett Genuis (SherwoodParkFort Saskatchewan, CPC): Mr. Chair, five years ago when Parliament passed Bill C-14, then justice minister Jody Wilson-Raybould said that it represented afinely tuned balance between access and safeguards. It also included a five-year review. Petitioners on the first petition I'm presenting are very concerned to seeBill C-7 before Parliament, which removes safeguards ahead of that five-year review. Petitioners specifically mention their concerns about the removal of themandatory 10-day reflection period, which can already be waived in certain circumstances. They are concerned about reducing the number of witnesses requiredto oversee it and ensure that a request has been properly made. I commend that petition to the consideration of the House. The second and final petition that Iwill be presenting today is with respect to Senate Bill S-204. This would make it a criminal offence for a person to go abroad and receive an organ from a personwho did not consent. This responds specifically to concerns about organ harvesting in the People's Republic of China involving Falun Gong practitioners andincreasing concerns that this is being or about to be applied to Uighurs as well. Canada can and should take action on this. Petitioners are noting that in theprevious Parliament there were bills on this, Bill C-350 and Bill S-240. Now, in this Parliament there is a bill, Bill S-204, and the petitioners hope that this 43rdParliament will be the one that gets it passed.The Chair: We will go to Ms. May.Ms. Elizabeth May (SaanichGulf Islands, GP): Thank you, Mr. Chair. It's an honour.This is my first occasion to present a petition in our virtual format of the COVID-19 committee. Thank you to you and your staff, Mr. Chair, for developing asystem that allows us to present petitions electronically. The petition I am presenting today, which was previously approved, is from a number of constituentswho are concerned that we pursue the Paris Agreement to hold the global average temperature increase to no more than 1.5C. The Paris Agreement itselfembeds in it the concept of Just Transition with a capital J and a capital T, the concept of just transition ensuring fairness and support for all workers in the fossilfuel sector. The petitioners call upon the Government of Canada to move forward with an act to ensure just transition and to ensure adequate funding so thatworkers and communities dependent on the fossil fuel sector receive meaningful support to ensure security in their lives in the transition to more sustainableenergy use. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.The Chair: Those are all the petitions for today. I want to thank the honourable members for their usual collaboration andnow we'll go on toMr. James Bezan (SelkirkInterlakeEastman, CPC): On a point of order, Mr. Chair, on Tuesday, at our COVID-19 committee of the wholemeeting, I was asking a question which started at 12:56:06 and was cut off at 1:00:32, so I still have 34 seconds of time remaining in my question time of fiveminutes. You said it could be no more than five minutes but that I had up to five minutes. Thirty-four seconds leaves a lot of time to have a quick question and aquick response. If you believe that my time was unjustly cut off and that it was unfair treatment of the official opposition when we were raising our points oforder, I would ask that the 34 seconds be tacked on to the opening round for the opposition and credited to Rosemarie Falk, who will be leading off for theConservatives.The Chair: Normally what happens is the chair uses judgment, and with 35 seconds, there isn't enough time obviously for a full question or answer,most of the time. I'll take it under advisement. I can't allot it. I want everyone to know that I do have a timer next to me and I am timing the questions, and I willbe treating the answers the same way. If it's a 25-second question, it will be a 25-second answer. Thank you for bringing that up. I believe that issue has beenremedied. We've taken a little bit of the chair's ability to give judgment on it, but it will be from now on. Thank you.Mr. James Bezan: Mr. Chair, 34 seconds is aconsiderable amount of time to do a short question and a short answer.The Chair: I appreciate the advice. Thank you, Mr. Bezan. We'll now proceed to thequestioning of ministers. I would like to remind the honourable members that no member will be recognized for more than five minutes at a time and thatmembers may split their time with one or more members by so indicating to the chair. Ministers responding to the questions should do so by simply turning ontheir microphone and speaking. Our first questioner is Ms. Falk.Mrs. Rosemarie Falk (BattlefordsLloydminster, CPC): Mr. Chair, yesterday, Elizabeth May and theleader of the separatists declared oil to be dead. It's certainly not dead, but it's dying under the Trudeau government. Will the Prime Minister stand up forCanada's energy workers, or does he agree with the fringe left and those who want to destroy our country?Ms. Elizabeth May: I have a point of order.The Chair:Go ahead, Ms. May.Ms. Elizabeth May: Mr. Chair, I believe that the language that the honourable member just used is unparliamentaryMr. Garnett Genuis: That'snot a point of order.Ms. Elizabeth May: We can have differences of opinion, but it is absolutely  Some hon. members: Debate.  Ms. Elizabeth May: unacceptableand violates my privileges to  An hon member: Debate.  Ms. Elizabeth May: No, it's not debate. I would ask the chair to rule on that, not the member from theConservative Party. It is unacceptable to assert that anyone who wants to make a point about our economy is trying to destroy the country. This allegation is aviolation of my privilege.   An hon. member: She was also named by theThe Chair: Order. I didn't recognize anyone. I don't know who is speaking, so I'll juststart talking myself. I want to remind honourable members to have respect in their questions and in their answers. When you refer to someone, please refer tothem respectfully. This is a committee of the House, and I would expect no less of the honourable members. We'll go to the right honourable Prime Minister. Youhave 16 seconds.Right Hon. Justin Trudeau (Prime Minister): Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. As I pointed out this morning in my press conference, we cannotmove forward on a transformation of our energy sector without supporting the workers in that energy sector. We need their innovation and we need their hardwork if we are going to lower our emissions, if we are going to reach ourThe Chair: We'll go to Ms. Falk again.Mrs. Rosemarie Falk: Mr. Chair, it has been 43 dayssince the finance minister promised Canada's energy sector liquidity through the Business Development Bank of Canada. For 43 days the finance minister hasfailed to deliver on that promise. These delays cost jobs and they are costing us Canadian businesses. If the government doesn't step up to support our energy


Project Manager: Right w welcome to the the first meeting of uh Real Reaction's uh um development meetings for our our new television remote control . Uh thisfollows our very successful entry into the the consumer market over the last year or so um which we want to to build on , taking advantage of the uh the thelatest developments in in technology and the uh the latest uh {vocalsound} uh feelings in in consumer design and and demand and uh we want to make this thethe very best product th that's possible for everybody , uh one that everybody wants , uh at a good price for the consumer and at a good price for the company .Uh and to that end we need all to work together uh to do that . Um and uh b in no particular order because ev everybody is uh {vocalsound} just as vital to thisprojectMarketing: Mm .Project Manager: um {vocalsound} I'll just go round th the table , Andrew , marketing , um m Kendra with the uh um {disfmarker}designing the the the User Interface uh uh and Kate with the the industrial design . Um . {vocalsound} What's uh {disfmarker} the the th th project is is here todo , is is to to get this this project up and moving , ev everybody is is free to uh say wh whatever they want , uh everybody has a contribution to make and uh{vocalsound} everybody feel free to interrupt me at any time to to say what you want to say . Um in in terms of the immediate meeting the uh um {gap}everybody knows everybody else , everybody's worked for the the company for a while , if if an anybody feels that they need to say more about themselvesplease do , if if if anybody wants to b briefly give their their background so that everybody's quite clear what everybody uh {disfmarker} uh everybody'sexperience is please do so . Uh in fact I'd I'd I'd welcome anybody to uh say something briefly about themselves , in fact we will do that by by going round thetable quickly and and saying what what contribution you {disfmarker} you're looking to make . So we'll start with Andrew .Marketing: Oh my name's Andrew I'ma {disfmarker} I'm the Market Research person for this uh for this meeting and this uh project for creating this new remote control and uh yeah I'll be uhpresenting information statistics on what people want to want to uh get from this new design , what people want to {gap} like {disfmarker} and from a fashionpoint of view and the practicality point of view .Project Manager: Right {vocalsound} Kendra .User Interface: {vocalsound} I'm Kendra and I'm the Us UserInterface Designer and um {vocalsound} I haven't had a whole lot of experience in this kind of thing before but I'm m so I'll be {vocalsound} working on thedesign .Project Manager: Right at least means you haven't got any preconceived ideas so .User Interface: Right . Yep , I'm just open to being creative .IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound} Uh I'm Katie ,Project Manager: Yep , good .Industrial Designer: I'm the Industrial Designer and I'll just be I guess presenting about thethe inter workings of our little remote control and uh {disfmarker} yeah .Project Manager: Okay , very very quickly , um {vocalsound} this {disfmarker} I don'twant to make this meeting too structured because the the whole idea is that it's a um you know a think tank . Everybody says what they {gap} what they want tosay , uh and we don't want to be constrained by uh kind of convention or uh uh slides on screens or or anything else um but um briefly um th th this is what wewant to do . The the remote control needs to be original , there has to be something about it that uh other remote controls don't have so that as soon as peoplesee it they think um yes that's different , uh I want one , um and that goes along with being trendy , uh uh you know the I want it uh scenario . User-friendly asas we all know , remote controls can be uh uh very user-unfriendly so we want to make ours one that people can pick upMarketing: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: and think oh yes that's {disfmarker} it's obvious how that works , uh and they also want to look at the price and think oh yeah that's something that{disfmarker} I may not need another remote control but uh it's such a nice one I'm gonna have one . And last but not least , or indeed first of all , it it must makethe company money , and we make the company money by producing what the consumer wants . The uh the further work to be done is i the um the functionaldesign , uh what it uh what it must actually do , the uh conceptual design , uh how we actually present that to the consumer and th the the detailed design i is uhhow we get that into production . Uh now th the main design tool that we have available to us at the moment is is the white board and uh uh {vocalsound} let usvery quickly do what i what it says in the in the in the prompt slide here , um {disfmarker} In fact I suggest to avoid everybody untangling themselves from theuh the the wires , that we don't do that , um So I I {disfmarker} everybody knows what whiteboard is so we'll um uh we'll do a virtual drawing on the on on thewhiteboard of of your your own uh uh favourite animal , but le let's go round the table , your favourite animal .Marketing: Um , badger . {vocalsound}ProjectManager: Mm and why ?Marketing: Uh it's it's got nice contrast with black {vocalsound} and white and uh {vocalsound}Project Manager: Uh-huh .Marketing: Ifeel they're {gap} underdog kind of statusProject Manager: Oh rightMarketing: and they're , theProject Manager: uh my my wife says my beard looks like abadger's arse 'cause of the the white streaks in it . {vocalsound}Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}User Interface: {vocalsound} Um probably a duckMarketing:{vocalsound}Project Manager: Kendra .User Interface: I just {disfmarker} I li I like the way they look and they're just nice animals and I like how they can fly orswim or walk around or whatever .Project Manager: Uh-huh . Right , okay .Industrial Designer: Uh 's horses , no particular reason why {vocalsound} .ProjectManager: Uh-huh , {gap} fair enough yeah .User Interface: {vocalsound}Project Manager: I'm not sure that I've got any favourite animal to be quite honest , Ithink homo sapienIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound} {vocalsound}Project Manager: because of their {disfmarker} their uh overall ability to uh uh{disfmarker}User Interface: {vocalsound}Marketing: Make mobile phones and T_V_ remotes {vocalsound} {disfmarker}Project Manager: Sorry ?IndustrialDesigner: {vocalsound}Marketing: to make T_V_ remotes {vocalsound} .Project Manager: Indeed absolutely yes ,Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}ProjectManager: tha that's um {disfmarker} Okay and uh w we need to keep in mind here that the uh {disfmarker} we want to sell this for for twenty five Euro um , wewant to m make an overall profit for the the company of fifty million Euros so we're we're looking at selling a lot of these um ag across the the entire planet andand we're looking at a gross profit of fifty percent . {vocalsound} It needs to cost twelve Euros fifty to make . Um so we're not only looking at a a very trendyoriginal product , we're looking at making it at a very good price . Um , okay , um {vocalsound} would anybody like t like to to start by giving their o um sort ofquick views of of current remote controls .User Interface: Well I think {disfmarker} I find a lot of them really complicated to use with all the different buttons anduh it's handiest when you have one that works both the D_V_D_ player or whatever and the T_V_ as well . Um , but that {disfmarker} it's easy to {gap} if youcan switch back and forth instead of having to {vocalsound} press a bunch of different buttonsProject Manager: No .User Interface: and {disfmarker} so I thinkit's is best when they're clearly labelled and you can see which buttons you're supposed to use , you know .Project Manager: Any any thoughts about buttons orany oth other way of approaching the p the uh the problem ? Or anybody else , strong feelings about remote controls ? Are there you know , bad ones they'veused or good ones they've used or ones that they've lost and never found again ?Industrial Designer: Um {disfmarker} {vocalsound} I think it's important thatyou should be able to {disfmarker} when you when you press the buttons it'll actually pick up the signals from kind of anywhere and you shouldn't have to likecontort yourself and twist your remote control to get it {disfmarker} the T_V_ to actually pick up the signal .Marketing: Yeah .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing:Think a lot of the time , remotes that come with T_V_ players and {gap} T_V_s and D_V_ players , like they aren'tIndustrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: like anarea that's put a lot of effort into , they're very boring , very plain .Industrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: Like it's very {disfmarker} a very {disfmarker} like ummaking a a stylish remote control would be a very like {disfmarker} Easily put us one step ahead of the current competition .Project Manager: Um what so whwhat's in in {disfmarker} what particular style features are you thinking about ?Marketing: {vocalsound} Um . Something that looks looks {disfmarker} doesn'tlook like remote control .Industrial Designer: {vocalsound}Marketing: So if you want , {vocalsound} something that looks like uh {disfmarker} something thatmakes you think oh what's this ? Like this pen doesn't really look like a pen ,Project Manager: Uh-huh .Marketing: but it makes you think oh .Project Manager:{gap} . YeahMarketing: So , sorry that's a bit vague {vocalsound} .Project Manager: d no I mean do you think there's a risk if it doesn't look like remote control ,{vocalsound} people won't see it as a remote control um and uh {disfmarker}Marketing: Uh I suppose suppose that's up to the marketing to to make makepeople aware of the product .Project Manager: Uh-huh . Any other thoughts about um th the physical appearance of a {disfmarker} of remote controls ?UserInterface: I think something that's comfortable to hold because sometimes you get the remote controls that are just those big , rectangular thingsIndustrialDesigner: Mm .Marketing: Mm .User Interface: and uh they're kind of awkward to hold onto ,Marketing: {vocalsound}User Interface: so something that's morecomfortable that fits in a person's hand better .Project Manager: I mean th the thing that i immediately comes to mind is computer mouses which um I mean yyou get all sorts of shapes in the shopsIndustrial Designer: Mm .User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Yeah .Industrial Designer: Mm .Project Manager: and s youknow some quite fancy ones um than the {vocalsound} {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Project Manager: some from personal experience which lookniceIndustrial Designer: {vocalsound}Project Manager: but {vocalsound} aren't particularly comfortable . Um {vocalsound} any thoughts about buttons or flatscreens or uh uh {disfmarker}User Interface: Yeah .Marketing: Well from the mouse idea you could , {gap} remote is a piece of plastic with the big rubberbuttons sticking out of it which you press , whereas if you want {gap} {disfmarker} could all be flat and the buttons are very kind of almost subtle that instead ofbeing raised out of the device uh you push into device you see , like a mouse button .Project Manager: Yes , I mean {vocalsound} the only thing is if if you'rewatching television in a in a a darkened room um you need to be able to uhIndustrial Designer: Mm .Marketing: I suppose .Project Manager: fi find the button