Transcripts_Notes/01-Transcripts/patrick_0831.txt

Tom says that new people seem to be arriving into the study group, their basic question is generally where to start.
Tom says that these people are hoping for a private tutorial, to be told what is going on; you really need to look at the latest folder:
number 40 on econcurrent or "Owner/Bounty Hunter" on Yahoo Groups. Remember to sort the files using the "v" button in the files section.
Sort the files by reverse date order so you can see the latest folder and file(s) at the top.
In there are some zip files, you will want to download all these files so that you can have all the files on your own computer.
You can search for the files quite easily on your computer (once you have downloaded them).
People need to start with the non-ucc lien; page 2 of that lien is separate and it is a document file where you have to fill out your key items.
Tom is wondering whether we should add the wording "invoking the republic" to the master lien.
You end up registering that by sending it to yourself by registered mail, adding templates in the top-right corner to make certified copies.
Make yourself a bunch of certified copies, never open the mail you receive, but have a certified copy attached so you know what is in it.
Then you will need to set up transfer by deeds for every one of your major contracts, and accompany with the SF30 and 14-series forms when sending.
When you see the documents in the directory, you will see what date they were loaded. If you want a verbal explanation of the file,
check the call that is posted a few days after that document and the document will likely be explained on that call.
Caller asks if we are not going to use the "American Royal Civilly Alive Mining Civis Organization" or the other UCC example?
Tom says the non-ucc master labor lien is the one to use. What you are doing is putting the whammy on every possible lien that the gov't can make
against your resources; it is a super-priority lien. Caller asks if we keep the "Mining Civis Organization" lien or not use it at all?
I don't think we use it at all, but you may want to ask Patrick that question.
One of Tom's things is that when you have a question, you don't really need to say "Can I ask a question?" or "Can you hear me?" Just ask away.
When Patrick comes on and starts making a presentation, it is best to wait until he is done; write down questions while he is talking.
When he has a presentation like that, he really comes on mentally prepared and asking questions takes him off-track.
When he asks for questions, it is an open forum at that point, just ask a question once the previous question is done.
Caller says she is unable to open those files and cannot see the most recent documents to be used.
What that is telling you is that your computer is not set up right to open that type of document, it could also be you are not logged into Yahoo.
Or it could be that you are opening a .doc file and you don't have the proper software (MS Word).
If you are having trouble with the files on econcurrent, that is usually because you have the wrong file associations on your computer.
Find a doc file on your computer and right-click on it, it will list programs asking "what program to use to open this type of file"?
Once you pick that (correct program), that will work; the other way is to right-click the file, tell browser to save it,
then you can open up that file with your word processor, but if you want to open it automatically, the computer has to be set up that way.
The concept is called file association, for each file type you only have to do it once, but only the first time.
Generally about 90% of the time when people say the file will not open, the problem is on the user's computer.
On mobile devices, some of them cannot process any .doc files at all.
If you are trying to open up .zip files, it should bring up your unzip program (unless you do not have such a program).
Tom says you can get WinRAR online, it can be used to unzip the .zip files.
Patrick suggests to right-click on the file and select "save as" to a stick-file (USB storage) or onto your hard drive.
Do not try to open up the file without leaving your browser; the best is to save onto your computer and use another program to open it.
If you cannot understand that, go and find a 5-year old and they can probably tell you how to operate the computer.
Go down to the library, they will help you.
Caller asks about utility bills; do I have to send a 1099 with the negotiable instruments package?
Patrick says: I told you the last 2 calls that you turn around and you do an SF30, you have to do the SF1414,
then you either do a 1416 or 1418; you take that bill that you have and you modify the contract with the CFO of that utility company,
and send it into then to modify it and say "hey, take the payments out of either the pay. or the perf. bond to set off the charges".
Look at the documents, they are easy to figure out. They are in econcurrent or in the first folder in We The People (Yahoo Group).
(They are called) SF: General Accounting Service Forms; SF30, SF1414, SF1416, and SF1418. Now if you have receipts for what you paid,
you can turn around and send those receipts in with an SF1047 and claim those back.
Caller asks if this goes for other bills or utilities? Your public utilities, public court cases, etc. You have to have a UCC contract trust,
and the utility account is a UCC contract trust with the public utility company. Listen to the calls; I have gone over this.
Talk it over with other people on the site. Caller asks how do we locate the bond numbers? You don't need the bond numbers.
You need the account number: DL number, certificate of title to vehicle number, SS account number, CoLB account number...
I put a new document up there today to try and explain how the treasury works.
"The basis of the treasury banking structure": somebody had basically gone through and done a small write-up on how the Treasury structure was,
but it was not updated to include the UCC contract trust(s), to identify your supervision position as an executive officer,
authorized representative over the UCC contract trust and that your SS name person, your CoLB person, DL person; the name on the account:
all of these are distributing officers, they are government officers and they have a distribution of credits that they are holding,
and all you have to do is order the release of them using these forms. Read this document, six pages, it has got all the info you need there.
If you cannot read then find somebody that can read it to you like maybe a five year-old.
5 forms is what you will need in the whole process; it is all in this document, get the document "Basis of the Treasury Banking Structure",
it tells you all that you need to know. Anybody else out here that has any problems? Caller asks to explain how to liquidate in a divorce.
You send it into the state treasurer using these forms; read this document "Basis of the Treasury Banking Structure";
you have to go to the treasure-er, whether it is the state banking treasurer or whether it is the united states banking treasurer.
Right now we do not have a us banking treasurer, one quit on the 28th of july, but there should still be somebody still in that
treasurer's office that should follow through with these; you make these out as a liquidating check,
but you have got to read this document to understand what it is saying. It is on both econcurrent.com/devine and We The People site.
You should have got an email if you have joined the We The People site. You get the documents by signing up to the Yahoo Group.
Caller asks about the Labor Wagering UCC form. 
Thomas says each form is posted on a certain date, listen to the call from after that document was posted 
and you will get extensive discussion of the document.
Caller asks about the postmaster stamp. Patrick says that is old stuff, you have to get into the latest stuff from this last month.
Caller says he is new and has been researching UCCs; asks if he needs an authenticated BC? Tom: No, forget the old processes.
Just look at the current documents in the current folder and get familiar with them.
Caller says he is going to court for traffic ticket situation, what is the basic things you need to do?
An SF30, an SF1414, an SF1418, and you send it either into the clerk of the court ATTN: to prosecuting attorney to basically
settle the matter; you don't go to court, you get it in before the court date; you are modifying the contract,
and basically all that that traffic ticket is is a solicitation, you can order the removal of that solicitation,
say "I do not accept any solicitations that are fraudulently out here because I am not operating in the commercial world for hire",
"and I am operating in the republic laws, therefore where is the law that says I need to have a DL, a license on my vehicle,
insurance on my vehicle? There is no republic laws that say that you have to have those, those are only in the commercial world;
and you can order the complete liquidation of that DL, cert of title, insurance policy... you put in the SF30
and you modify the contract and you say this is going to be a complete liquidation per ucc 2a-505,
and then under ucc9, you are coming in and you are under the right of "choice of laws" operating in the republic law system,
not the commercial banking law system. You guys have to sit down and talk this stuff over with other people.
That is the only way you are going to get any confidence: the more you talk about it.
You just cannot write it and say "that's it", you have got to get it into your mind and that is by talking about it,
hearing yourself say the words. The name of the group is "WeThePeople_Shareholders", search "we the people shareholders",
it is a yahoo group so go into groups in yahoo.com and do a group search, you have to find the button that says join,
and sign up to become a member, then you can access the links and files and everything else that is in that group site,
and you will get an email telling you how to join the skype group and about other important info.
Caller says do not send the package to Jacob Lew? No. you have to read this document and see that it goes to the treasurer,
they changed that 20,30,40 years ago.. I don't know when this original document I had, I downloaded in 2012,
and it took me 3 days to put the highlights into it, but how long this document has been out here I don't know.
For child support or situations you can send it to the treasurer? The STATE treasurer or the AG's office,
they handle all child support through the AG's office; even if you are in a different state, 
the state AG where you are operating in goes to the AG where the marraige license is at.
But you have to use SF30,1414,1416 or 1418 in the process bc/ they are all ucc contract trusts
and they have to have a surety bond and your name that is on that account is basically a distributing officer,
when you signed up with these contracts the treasury transfered credits to your distributing officer
that is on that certificate/license/whatever, transfered so many credits over there, we do not know how many credits they transfered,
they never gave us full disclosure, but we the living are the supervising executive officer over these distributing officers
as it calls out in this document that I put up there and we have the supervisory authority over them as the authorizing agent.
We also hold the title of subordinate who is authorized to sign for the secretary,
because that was changed 20/30/40 years ago, whatever; so we have subordinate authority to sign for the secretary
on these items to go right to as an accountable warrant or voucher or check when you read the document you will see
all of these words used in different terminology; you could have taken your CoLB and made it a check
and drawn right from the treasurer, and you could have had that check deposited into Treasury Direct account,
Direct Express account, or a commercial bank account. Up until 1933, OK, to draw credits from the treasury,
you had to have a private law passed, to do a draw--a withdraw from the treasury. After 1933, under HJR 192,
all of these documents here, that changed that, now that became the law that is authorizing the withdrawal of the credits
from the treasury into our distributing officers' accounts. It is all in the document. OK, anybody else have any questions?
Tom asks our contract number for post office receipts will be our 9-digit zip code?
Just worry about the other stuff right now, the post office, the passport the ss account, the DL, the cert. of title, get the big ones.
For salvage title for vehicle, turn that document in also.
The public voucher for refunds, what exactly is that form for? All of your receipts that you have gotten: everything is supposed to be prepaid
because all of these corporations are borrowing from our accounts, they are using our assets, we are supposed to be the owners
of america but we have not been paid our just wages because we have not come in and claimed them the right way using the SF30s,14-series,1047.
Could you use your bank statements? You can send those into the bank! You figure out one UCC countract and they are all the same. OK?
Read the document, listen to the last several calls, I have gone over this numerous times.
Do we have to change our transfer by deed or can we put authorized agent on there? Read the document and then see what you need to do, OK?
I am not going to tell you anything more. OK, I am going to leave the call, you guys can continue talking amongst yourselves.
Caller asks about transfer deed of credits: CoLB contract trust account, two different numbers listed.
The BC has two numbers for it, it may be red a number that is not actually labeled anything (in PA). Same for SS card?
The first number is the SS number and then the number on the back of the card, I was just not totally sure for the two numbers,
for the certificate of live birth. You have to know how to modify and process a contract, they are really all the same,
you just have to know what the contract number is and if there is anything peculiar about it; 
it may affect how you claim the pay. and perf. bond. Caller says he did not serve in the military but registered in Selective Service.
It has to be out of the DD214 for a military bounty certificate. Yes, but Patrick has mentioned that we need to put that SS number in there.
Tom wanted to use UCC9 to revoke the laws of the commercial corporations in the non-ucc.
Using UCC9 "Choice of Laws" to invoke the laws of the republic makes it very strong.
One on the yahoo group talked about invoking the law of the republic but did not ask judge for a ruling, and gave her permission to babble.
Caller has problems downloading any documents from yahoo site. You should be able to click on file title and browser tells you download it.
If that does not work, right-click it and do save as. Caller says he gets it all sent to his email but when he logs on, it does not work.
I have a yahoo account but still cannot work with anything. Another caller has the same issue, has not received files since July 24th,
he gets the emails and they used to be loaded up to the group but are not any more.
Tom says you may have to copy the link into your address bar and paste the link.
Caller says make sure you are on the right page "We The People", and check "Files", do you see Federal Government folder?
The only thing that is highlighted for one is conversations and more, cannot see anything; is using Windows 10 desktop.