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Tom: I have several documents in front of me now and I am pretty sure we will be talking about all of them.
So, "Stopping the American Living Name Identity Theft", "BK Court Letter of Recall Example", that is a very thorough explanation of what we are doing.
Also: "State Republic Passport Example" and "USC Title 11", 512 page document which describes the BK procedures, and a document "Why BK cannot be filed in state court�.
So any questions, anything you want to discuss about this? Did you all listen to the audios that Patrick had on the letter to the DIP, which is this BK letter of recall�it is his latest document, it explains very much what he is doing.
Patrick: OK, Tom, this is Pat I am on the line now. Tom: Thank you for the new documents, they were really thorough; there are 26 on the call, we have been running up to 5-55 as it builds up.
Patrick: Well basically there is not too much more new from the documents I posted up there and what I went over last Sunday in that basically everything out here is in BK, it is that simple; since 1933 the country has been in BK, that means the states also; everything is in BK, even your bank, your local bank, it is tied into the state, and if the state is in BK, then the local bank is in BK also. The credit card companies, the same thing, they are all operating under a communist conspiracy of this BK type collateral trust certificate system out here. There is four parts to any contract, you have the contractor, you have the surety, you have the owner, and then you have the contract itself. In most of the certificates that we get, we have the contractor identified, and they are the ones that are the bankrupt, OK? Then the surety, and the surety is one of our slaves, and a slave cannot have a alpha-omega (alphabetical) name, OK? They can have an alpha-numeric name, but it is pretty much all numeric. OK? It is not a written name, OK? An alpha-omega (alphabetical) name where it is all written out. Like in my case my DL has about 7 numbers and 2 letters in it, so that is basically a slave�s name�an account name, and that is how even in prison; you do not operate by your written name, you operate by your prison account name; you are a slave. See, a slave cannot have a written name until they become free, then you get your name back�your written name back. And that goes back through history all the way back into the Roman, you can find that out real easy in the process. On the contracts, when it is the written name that means it�s the owner, that is who the owner is, the problem in most all the cases out here is we have never been given the contract, the full disclosure of the contract. And why is it hidden from the owner? Well there is several answers to that. OK? For you to choose from as to why there is never a full contract disclosure: one is the contract can make up his own terms as he goes along, second one is the contract can use the surety bondage profits for himself and for the benefit of others that he can control, hidden away from what you understand is going on. The contractor is a bankrupt, owes his soul or a debt to someone else and he is using your contract to pay for it. The fourth one is the contractor plans on never paying the owner back and hopes he (the owner) abandons it and then in time the contractor can claim the owner has abandoned it and he can come in and claim it per a 1099A. That is why we are never given full disclosure on how much collateral is taken out and put in under the surety of the contract, we do not know we are not supposed to know about the payment and performance bonds in the process, we do not know that there is supposed to be a time limit on this, we do not know that this is all in BK and it is being held by the BK courts in a chapter 11 DIP filing, and we never got the understanding of where the DIP�s Chapter 11 BK plan�debtor�s competing plan is located; as a creditor we were supposed to be given a copy of that, well basically the copy of the debtor�s competing plan is basically Title 11, and you as the creditor/owner can come in and file your own competing plan in against the contract�the debtor; the contractor and the contract; but it has to go into the BK court system to be processed. Now if they do not comply, there is two alternatives that you can go and take it up the ladder. In some districts you can go right up to the chief article 3 judge on the district court side, and in the other case is basically you can go into the circuit court and put your charges in against the BK court for non-compliance into the circuit court. You have to basically stand in there and basically just send this in; the creditor don�t pay. OK? But you have to understand this is all a communist conspiracy banking conspiracy out here. OK? I have sent out that state citizenship document that basically came out of�what was it�well ray had sent a copy to me but it also comes out of the copperstills (�coppermoonshinestills�) outfit out of Arkansas or something, but it talks about �you want to be red-flagged�, well I hate to tell him he was misunderstanding the red-flagging in the process; we want to be green-flagged or red-white-and-blue-flagged. To be red-flagged, that means you are a communist, and right now everybody out here is operating under the red flag as being classified as a communist party member, and then they have the authority to stop you, detain you, harass you at will because you are a communist party member, you are red-flagged, you are operating under the red communist flag! That is part of what is going on here; we want to get out and we want to become like in my case an Iowa Republic Nation-State citizen, under the laws of the republic�the national republic constitution and the state republic constitution that is basically protected by article 4 section 4, that we can demand the state operate in the republic and we are going to operate in the republic. And that is what�when we invoke this, we are going to the Secretary of State for that state, and put our passport request or demand in to the state for them to issue us a state�and you do this with your birthing state. OK? And you send that in to the SoS and demand a Republic Nation-State passport so you can operate with the safe passage and safe harbor protections that the republic laws have guaranteed to us, both in interstate--intercontinent, and basically the world out here, because our protections in the republic are also protected by the declaration of independence, under treaty. And every court case out here is basically in BK. All your traffic tickets, all your mortgages, all your divorces; everything is in BK. And you have got to come in against the contractor in the process�and the surety�to make the proper settlement, using the B410 BK form, and the GSA SF30, 1414, 1416, and 1418 forms, or the 1415 form. And if you want to claim your monetary receipts back that we have a right to claim�because all the corporations have been using our money out here in their bankrupt system�so we have a right to claim the usage of those funds as a reimbursement from all the tariff taxes and everything that are owed back to us, and that would be by using the B410 form and the SF1414 and then also coming in with the SF1047 form, and all your receipts, and send them into the BK court. There is two different cashiers and tellers in this BK court system. One is at the SS office. You tell the SS person what you want, and then they will process it up to the BK court, and then basically the payment comes back down to the cashier, the SSA to make the payment out to you. The other is going directly to the BK court and putting it into the clerk of the court as the teller and then also as the cashier. All taxes are in BK. All federal court cases that are in the commercial world are BK cases. People have been going into the wrong jurisdiction, period. You have got to go into these communist BK courts out here to get your remedy�coming in as the creditor/owner. That is what the whole damn process is out here, and the communists�they don�t want you to be an owner, they don�t want you to wake up, they want you to stand as a scared little child thinking that they have the power over you. And when the servants have power over the owners, that is called a dulocracy�it is also called communism too. But that is pretty much it; I posted the letter that I sent into the BK court and basically it is pretty detailed; you need to understand what is being said there; you can re-write it into your own wording but you better understand how you re-write it and what you are really saying, and the same thing will go with the cover letter when you go take that example that I modified, the DS11 passport application into a state passport application by taking off U.S. off of there as a U.S. citizen and tried to modify it to come in as a state citizen. Now, when you get down to the authorizing agent or whatever down below where it says �stop�, and then take it in and get it processed (by a local), well what have you got? All the public notaries for that state work for the SoS. Take it into one of those public notaries that is authorized by the SoS. Have them verify your ID. When you get your passport, basically you are going to also in your cover letter you say I am going to relinquish any state contracts; I am no longer going to be classified as a red communist banking slave. I am going to go to the red-white-and-blue or to the green as a republic citizen, operating under the just banking system�just exchangement, because we have not been getting just exchangement for years, so we have never been getting justice in this country for years. And then when you look around, basically you see in this country, everything that basically we were supposedly fighting the Russians and the Chinese over the treatment of their citizens; it is all being perpetrated right here in this country by the bankers�by the communist bankers, and then you keep electing communist banking government elected officials into power out here, getting yourself inundated into being �oh I�m a democrat�, or �I�m a republican�, basically then you fight amongst each other; divide and then conquer, that is what they have done. They have divided up the families, they have divided up the communities, they have divided up everything, and then basically they have conquered because of lack of knowledge, and the people just go along wanting the free frying pan; so I really haven�t got too much more to say than basically what I said about the documents that I posted and about the BK, that one about stopping the ID theft, and see the one thing you go into court, first thing you�ve got to do is rebut that name that is out there, say �hey, this charge is against my surety, and my surety cannot have a written name, therefore the name is the number�. You are the owner; you own your name, no matter what Kurt Kallenbach and all these other guys out here try to run around �well you�ve got to copyright your name�, �you�ve got to do this�, �you�ve got to do that�, no that name was given to you, that belongs to you. I get a kick out of listening to all these nitwits out here and then they always want to go into court, and they are going into the wrong damn court, and the courts are sitting there just laughing their ass off at you. 
So, the two key things are ID theft and basically understanding that you have to take all items into a BK action. You don�t have to go into the BK court but you can order that court that if they want to pursue that charge, they are going to have to process it through the BK court, they have got to go after the surety and the surety is being held by the BK court; you are not the surety, you are the owner, so they are going to have to put in a B410 proof of claim into that BK court because they are trying to claim that they are a creditor. OK? Go ahead and open it up for any questions/comments, Tom.
Tom: I had heard that all notaries are actually deputy secretaries of state, most of them don�t know that. Right, they are basically authorized by the state, just like all of the state banks, they are licensed by the state; all state insurance companies, all state you name it, basically they are registered with the state out here. All these attorneys, basically they are licensed by the state, so they are all operating under the STATE OF like STATE OF IOWA BK�chapter 11 BK. That is where all their bond numbers and everything else are going to be found in the file system. You want to go after a judge against his bond of office? You take it into BK against the STATE OF whatever and against his contract�collateral trust certificate contract�in the BK court. People have been filing these things into the wrong court system trying to get remedies.
Tom: A very minor thing I noticed on your DS11 on your state you spelled �application� wrong.
Tom: So the US is already in BK? You had said before that there was no case, they just had not published the case number?
Patrick: Yeah, it is basically out there, and basically you�ve got your state of that is under Chapter 7, so basically just put down on the top of that B410 form, basically the local BK court DIP, STATE OF and they are under Chapter 11.
Tom: I was wondering whether it might be a private BK sort of like an arbitration�
Patrick: It is not out there in the open, but basically you can in your letter write it up and address it well enough that basically those damn people in the BK court know what the shit you�re talking about.
Tom: Well it looks like from what you�ve described that they don�t have to do a competing claim�
Patrick: No, they had to put a competing plan out in 120 days after they went into BK.
Tom: Oh that�s right, they had 120 days to do it but you could force it within 120 days by filing your own.
Patrick: NO, basically you need to read that document that I posted. OK? It says we do not have to do, after the exclusion period, exclusive period has expired, a creditor or a case trustee may file a competing plan; the US trustee cannot. But we can file it 25 years later! That is what it is saying, but the debtor had to file his plan basically 120 days after basically he went into being a debtor and under the DIP Chapter 11 filing.
Tom: I misread that. 
Patrick: Yes, that�s the problem, most of you people misread things and don�t� understand what you are reading when you do it. 
Tom: Now in your B410 you have used the phrase �remember back to estate��remember your assets back to your estate, do you mean to use the word render rather than remember?
Patrick: NO, REMEMBER: look up what it says in the dictionary about a letter of recall; you are re-membering; you are not waking up! OK? Re-membering, it is member�you are going to re-member your persons back to you. You are going to bring them home, you are going to stockpile your membership, your private membership. Tom: So I have to look up that definition. I assumed something.
Patrick: Yeah, you were assuming something wrong in the process; you are bringing your members, your slaves home; that is what re-membering is, and you are going to increase your membership at home, you are going to have your own sureties at home, right now your sureties are sitting over here in this communist organization so what are you going to do? They are a member of the communist party, well basically you are going to take them from being a member over there and bring them back home to your membership�re-membering! Should that word be hyphenated: �re-member�? Not necessarily, basically if you understand the point they are trying to get to, I mean that is the problem; people cannot see. OK? When you have a word sometimes, you have to see what the connotation is around the word; what are you trying to accomplish with this word? If you want to put a hyphen in there, put a hyphen in there. OK? But basically it is not in the dictionary.
Tom: So this remember is the opposite of dis-member? 
You are not waking up and having a dream and saying �oh shit, I remember something here�; see, words can have more than one connotation and the connotation that is being used here is you are bringing your members back home; your sureties are going to come back to you; you are the bounty hunter; you are bringing your slaves back home to operate as your republic slaves.
Tom: I like the fact that at the end of the letter that you tell the judge that he had aided the enemy in the nicest words possible.
Patrick: Yeah, I could have gotten nasty�
Question: On the republic passport application; SSN do we just put zeroes in? Yes. Basically I put an example of that copperstill (�coppermoonshinestills�) document up there that basically they�ve got it highlighted on one of the pages�page 11 or something like that�showing you how to do certain things. Caller did not see the copperstill (�coppermoonshinestills�) document. Yeah, but the one thing that they misunderstood was the red-flagging out here; we want to be under the red-white-and-blue flag or the green flag�means that we are free to go. OK? We don�t want to be under the red flag, basically red stands for communism. I mean just look at what the flag of Russia was when they were under Communists, look at what the flag of China was when they were under Communism; it was red, and red means �stop, detain, harass; fuck with�.
Tom: It mentions in the BK 11 documentation that in the 341 meeting the debtor can be questioned. I bet you they just don�t ever let it get that far so that we can question the debtor.
Patrick: No, they are not going to want that because basically they would have to bring that into the BK court and see that�s where we were so damn close about 4 years ago when we were in there and I sat at the one table and there was no defendant in the case, I was coming in as the owner in the process, but I did not submit�since I was a sole owner creditor I did not submit to the court my creditor�s competing plan to where if I were to have that and I would have submitted it the court would have had to honor my plan because the creditor is always right! But we were missing that competing plan. We did not give it to them. That is how damn close we were. And see, look how I signed that letter, down below. Posted, signed as a with prejudice order by the republic owner. With prejudice means it�s a done fuckin� deal. It is the final order. I am giving the final order to that court to do what I said above, with prejudice; there is no rebuttal in this order. Without prejudice means it�s still open. There is people out here in the patriot community that basically got everybody screwed up on the usage of with prejudice, without prejudice, and numerous other words out here because they did not understand what the words meant and they misused them in the connotation that they should have been using them in. Primarily because most of them only looked in one dictionary and basically when you come across something like this you want to double-check it in 3 or 4 dictionaries to make sure you have the full and proper understanding of what that is; that is why I have tried to put more than one dictionary up there to go and check out. OK, any other questions/comments?
Caller asks about the time limit for when all of it is supposed to come back to the owner. From their side? Yeah. Basically you should be hearing something back within 3 days; this is under banking laws. And when we don�t; how many levels do we have to go up? Well basically you can start calling them the day after they receive your letter. OK? You deposit a check into the bank; what is the first thing you are going to do the next morning? You are going to call up the bank and see whether the check has cleared. The next day you are going to call and see if the check has cleared; do the same damn thing here. In most cases you can get the fax number for the BK court, the clerk of the court�s office. I have never had a problem in getting fax numbers for most IGs� File a complaint in with the IGs; the AG. Call the trustee up; you can get his fax number; ask him, �what is the status?� That is what you have to do; you are the owner; you have the right to demand what is going on; when am I going to get my stuff; do I have to go to a higher level; do I have to turn around and send it up to the chief judge of the district or do I have to go to the circuit court? After 3 days I will be going to the circuit court and filing a delay of action against this BK court. They got my package at about 1:50 today, so I really cannot do anything until Tuesday to go to those other 2 places because it will be Thursday, Friday, and then Monday, three banking days. So then I can turn around and start processing my charges against the BK court of dereliction of responsibility.
Yeah, and if these state courts persist after you�ve notified them that �hey, this is a BK action�; you are in a state of insolvency. OK? The only one that they can charge is the surety; the surety is holding all the funds, but you are in a state of insolvency; your surety is there for your protection; he is supposed to be paying your bills, so they have to take the charges and put them into BK because basically the DIP is holding your sureties. These state courts have to go to there, to the BK court, to get the payment. Don�t hesitate in putting some of this stuff out to the sheriffs in your local area. Write them up; they have never been properly trained on all of this stuff, but they are being used by the court system as basically nitwit communist party members! Hatchet-men.
Tom: How is your sheriff taking to this?
Patrick: Hell, I have been giving him all of this stuff, and basically they all leave me alone. Because they know that I am the one that basically understands all this; even my damn county attorney, basically I�ve got him totally backed down, they won�t take me in an individual item into their courts anymore.
Caller: Patrick, which Inspector General (IG) should we send the package to, should we Carbon Copy on this?
Patrick: Well start off with the SS IG claiming fraud, also the Treasury IG, claiming fraud, identity theft; every one�and I forget how many of the IG offices there are, but there is quite a few of them and all the state AG�s office�they all have as their number one key item: identity theft! Why?
Caller: How about the Department of Justice IG?
Patrick: You can hit him up; you can hit the IG for the department of commerce. Like I said, 26 or something like that different departments or whatever have IGs in them. You don�t have to go to the military generals, you go to the damn generals that are supposedly in the republic banking system, that are overseeing these communist shitheads. And like I said, when Harold and I went to the SS IG and put in there about the ID theft and about the banking fraud that was being perpetrated, that IG had something done right now. And it was within the 3 day time limit. And even my local SS office basically got involved in getting that straightened out as quick as possible. But see when I was talking and basically kept getting delayed from getting my compensation back, 2 years ago or whatever it was, SSA said �well it still had to go through 3 layers of approval�, I had been through the first one basically in the SSA, but where is the other 2? Well the other one was being approved by the US Trustee and then also by the BK court; that is who had to approve the release of the funds from the DIP. OK, anybody else have any questions, comments, rebuttals?
Caller: Patrick, this is Bill; I struck my SF forms and posted them up, and there were just some questions that folks were asking about if the trustee should still be on them or not, box 7 on SF30.
Patrick: I sent a copy of this BK letter to the US Trustee also, I sent it into the SS IG.
Caller: I am talking about the SF30 when we started putting him in the boxes.
Patrick: On the SF30, yes; basically on there the contractor is not the US Trustee but he is basically the processor, he is the trustee over the contractor. The contractor is holding our sureties, so that trustee is basically there overseeing the DIPs. He has the hammer over them to release the funds. OK? 
Caller: Just to clarify what you just said, right now we have the administrator as the US Trustee and then we have the contractor as the Chapter 11 BK.
Patrick: Right, the United States Corporation. And see their plan, their BK plan, is title 11. OK? USC stands for United States Corporation. And they are the main contractor for the nation. And then basically if you have state items, like your marriage cert., cert. of title to vehicle/property, basically you have property taxes? You send them in against the STATE OF as being the contractor. Even your local banks: the STATE OF is basically the contractor, the superior contractor over those local banks because all of those local state banks are under registration in the state governmental system. The government, the state government authorized those state banks to operate. Just like all the state public utilities. So, the main contractor is the STATE OF. There are normally no national public utilities except maybe TVA or something like that, but Bank America, bank whatever; most of them they have to have authorization to operate within the state, but they also have a national banking charter. So there again basically if you have�you take them into BK. That is the only way you are going to get just processing of those contracts. The state courts ain�t going to give it to you because the state courts cannot hear BK. And everything out here is in BK, period. The only thing the state courts can do is basically they can hear a case of harm or damage. OK? And if it is bad enough, they have to have a grand jury indictment to bring you into that court. See that�s why basically when you read that in that one document that the creditor has the right to cross-examine or get them on the witness stand��the US trustee and creditors may question the debtor under oath at the section 341 meeting concerning the debtors� acts, conduct, property, and administration of the case�. So basically if they are trying to charge you�and see what did I say back to the beginning there? The contract: there is four parts to the contract and we have never been given the full disclosure of the contract, and the contractor is doing what? He never gave full disclosure so that he can basically modify the contract as he goes along. What the hell is the legislature doing? Constantly changing all these drug laws over people, writing their own terms, changing the contract for their benefit! All these codes of law and everything else that are outside the constitution are totally fraud. Why is this a communist organization? Because they do not honor the 10 commandments. That is one of the 10 planks of the communist party is to destroy the damn 10 commandments. Yeah, you ought to read the planks of the communist party sometime. Because this is one of the key communist countries out here, we have instilled the communist system into all these other communist countries, from China to Russia. And it was all set up out of the bankers out of New York, and also Albert Pike out of Arkansas, old Bill Clinton�s home state, under the Scottish Freemasons to where Albert Pike was basically the anti-pope in the world. OK, anybody else have any questions, comments?
Caller: Just to expand on what you were just saying, say we just lost the court case yesterday and we filed this, would we file with the BK court, would that be absorbed or should we inform the courts that they found us guilty of a traffic violation; should we inform them, give them a copy of the case as well?
You basically tell them THEY have to file the case into the BK court. They are coming in trying to claim to be a creditor; you are the owner, you are basically insolvent; the charge is against the surety. OK? So they have to take their claim using a B410 under that surety�s number, and you identify that basically they have no jurisdiction over you because they only have jurisdiction in this case over the surety and that if they use your name, you will file identity theft charges against them for using YOUR name, that belongs to YOU, the written name; like I said, a surety or a slave cannot have a number�or cannot have a written name until they become free�and to become free they have to be put into the republic banking system. Understand? (Yes) OK.
Caller: So even after the fact, we can tell them to file this.
You can rebut it and say �you basically charged me, and I am going to file charges against you for identity theft, because you are trying to attach me as being the surety and I am the insolvent�I am the owner and I�m insolvent�you took all my fucking money away from me in 1933. Fucking communist cock-sucking motherfuckers. I would not say all that to them, but basically you can think it.
Caller: ??? said that in a much milder way.
Patrick: It all depends on who you are dealing with. Women judges will get more upset if you use that terminology than basically most of the men will. And see under the republic government system, you cannot have women in there; under the communist government system, women can be in there. Yeah, the other major communist country out here is England with their queen bee, working with the Rothschilds, which is strictly all under a communist banking system. 
Tom: The London bankers created communism, Wall Street just financed it.
Patrick: Yeah. OK, nothing else?
Caller: If one wanted to make a withdrawal to purchase a home, how would they do so?
Patrick: Well like I said, the best thing is to get totally out of the system. Read the document; it is probably far simpler to get your assets out than to go in and try and do one little thing. I mean, what do you want? You just want a remedy now and basically you are going to fucking screw it up later on? Or do you want to get completely out of their control, to where they have no further control over you? (Completely out) OK. Yeah, I�ve listened to too many people over the years, I mean basically this goes back about 8 years or better, trying to do the 1099As and stuff, and the people: �well if I get rid of my taxes, I will be satisfied�, well yeah, you are going to get rid of your taxes today but basically tomorrow they will turn around and tax you again, if you do not understand what you are doing. And why would you owe taxes anyway? Only the usury owes taxes; the performance bonds owe the taxes, so if you close down the performance and the payment bonds with these contractors, you owe no taxes. You owe for services rendered, but if you don�t have any kids in school, you are not getting any service out of that, so you owe no school taxes, or service charges. OK? OK. Any other questions.
Caller: So with a property title, we do the SF30 as the state is the contractor.
Patrick: You are going to turn around and take this document that I put up there about going into the United States Corporation for the CoLB and the DD214 primarily because all of the credits out of those 2 certificates were transferred into the Social Security contract. Now, that is with the United States Corporation as being the DIP. For all of your state contracts, cert. of title to property/vehicle, marriage certificate, Driver�s License, hunting license, you name it, all these different contracts you have at the state level, you are going to have to take and file this same process in against the state of whatever, into BK court there, going after THEIR DIP plan. And you are going to put a competing plan against that and say you are going to liquidate these contracts; list all of those contracts at that point in time.
Tom: But aren�t we in the letter of recall asking the BK court to dismantle all those other contracts?
Patrick: They may or may not get dismantled. OK? You�ve got to be prepared. OK?
Tom: We may have to do them ourselves�
Patrick: You�re right, you may have to put another package together and go after the STATE OF. Because see they transferred some of the credits already out from the SS over to these other contracts.
Tom: So we will have to wait and see what they do.
Patrick: Yes, get the big one first and then basically from there you can go after the others, but in most cases when you do your state republic letter that I�ve gotten written up. OK, I have not posted it yet, I�m still going over a couple items on it. But basically in there, when I get the passport, I will surrender all other communist contracts. And if need be, I said I would process this through the BK court system against the STATE OF. Here is what I had to say: �at the time of the delivery of my Iowa Republic nation-state citizen passport, I will surrender as the creditor/owner all of my sureties� STATE OF IOWA contractor�s DIP commercial collateral trust certificates to be properly liquidated by the brokering assistance of the district united states BK court�. See, that is the thinking you have got to start coming up with: how do you want to settle this?
Caller: So this state republic package is going to be step 2, possibly.
Patrick: Yeah.
Caller: OK. Because I guess we have to establish a relationship with the state as well.
Patrick: Yes, you are going to have to get your standing, your safe passage and safe harbor passport, your nation-state. You were born free. Now you�ve got to get your recognized so that basically you can travel into another state to where you are properly identified but they do not have communist jurisdiction to stop, detain, and harass you, because you are not operating in the commercial communist banking system; you are no longer a party member. Think about what was going on in Germany when they put the people into the concentration camps; they were all numbered, they all became sureties; they lost their names; but Schindler basically was getting them out of the system by putting the proper paperwork together to put them out and keep them from becoming sureties. This process has been done numerous times over. 
Caller: So our country has done the same thing that Germany did, Germany just did it too fast.
Patrick: Yes, basically they were all controlled by the bankers out of New York anyway, and out of England. Yeah, Germany primarily out of England, but basically they were still being controlled in the damn process under the communist system. Well, basically these contracts, these collateral trust contracts of basically claiming you are the surety. OK. Call it a night, Tom.