Transcripts_Notes/01-Transcripts/patrick_1023.txt

Tom: That is what Patrick is doing: is he is going into court with a settled case. In other words, the plaintiff and the defendant are coming in, in agreement, saying to take care of this, judge; also by the way he is doing it, he is going right to the district court and asking for an article 3 court which only the chief judge can do, and since it is an uncontested case, there is no activity for him to judge as a judge; he is to be just an administrator to carry out the order that the plaintiff is issuing. And by doing it that way, the judge does not have any wiggle room to try to set up the court under a different jurisdiction besides just the article 3. And then just look at the case itself, he has done slight changes in the revisions but they have great impact, and he has an accompanying document that likens this to a baseball game with a home run and the fact that article 1 is our first base, article 2 is our second base, article 3 is our 4th base (3rd base), and article 4 setting us we the people with the authority, as the employer, and they are the employee, and he really does set that up in there, making it very plain to the court that they are the employee. By us being the employer and them the employee, that is a home run. So I think in these documents, the way he has it, he really has nailed down the case.
Patrick: OK, this is Pat, I am on the line. OK?
Tom: Hi Patrick; I liked that, what you did.
Patrick: Well, the game of baseball was basically written or basically came from the understanding about the constitution. And basically originally there were certain games that were out there that were along this lines prior to the writing of the constitution. OK? One of the guys sent me al ink about baseball and how it basically tracks that to even before the constitution was written. The other games out there in foundation were sitting there.  The thing about the American system: is it is three-dimensional, it has depth to it; OK? Most of the Europeans and everything else are one-dimensional, they have three lines on a piece of paper and that�s all that they can see, there is no depth of understanding in their process. They think that the monarchies and everything else control them, but the way that the constitution was set up, we had 4 sides to our government; the legislative side. OK? And they�re public employees. The executive side: they�re public employees. OK? So you got article 1, article 2; the court or the judicial side, article 3, so you�ve got the three sides basically to a pyramid, but you always have a 4th side to a 3-sided pyramid. OK? Because it has depth, and basically you have to have something to give support to the other three to hold them up, and that is we the people down below and we are the sovereignty and the states are part of the sovereignty when they act in the sovereignty capacity in the process. We are the officials, they are the employees in the process. And then basically it�s like the game of baseball: 1/2/3rd base, home plate. You�ve got 4 sides that you have got to complete a home run. Since 1933, we have been playing the game to where we have 2 teams, the American citizens as the creditors vs. the United States citizens�debtors. And a citizen player cannot be playing on both teams; that is the problem. Most people think that they are able to do that; they can�t. We have to get back over to the creditor�s side/team and play there. And when we do that, we cancel out the United States citizen�the debtor on the other side. His compensation in an eminent domain process is basically that his debt is dissolved�he no longer has a debt, but he also disappears in the process. Eminent domain is one of the oldest laws on the books. This goes all the way back to Cain and Abel�. Abraham, Moses, Daniel, Jesus: they were all claiming their eminent domain in the process�uncontested eminent domain. And that is what we have to do and we put the order into the court, now the court has to comply. There is not going to be any adjudication; this is an uncontested action. We give them the order now they have to comply and issue the court order to�basically up to their other public employees. That is what the whole process is; we have to go to the right place, the right supervisor, chief servant, just like what Jesus talked about in his parables: the master went to the chief servant, basically then the chief servant had the other servants do what was�
And then basically I laid out in this document the two different trusts that are out there, trying to explain to you how this whole thing has been operated. The court document has it laid out but this home run document lays it out a little clearer. And if you cannot take this document and read and understand it, there is no help for you! Really! Half the people that have gone into jail under these fraudulent conditions or come out on parole�almost every state constitution in the state constitution has basically that you can petition the governor of the state to have you removed or pardoned from the fraud. I have never heard anybody on any of these damn talkshoes in any of their court actions ever talk about that; about writing a petition to the governor. But they know all the state constitutions and everything else and all the codes of law, and they are all full of shit. There was a book that basically Harold and I read when we were kids; it was the kid who batted 1,000. Well every time he went up to the plate, he hit foul balls until they walked him, until one time at the end of the season, basically came up and all the players were sitting on the foul lines trying to catch his foul balls, nobody was right behind the pitcher and he hit it right past the pitcher and had an in-field home-run. One hit the whole season, he batted a thousand. That�s all we need here is one home run and we�re out of there. Most all of the other games here in this country are 3-dimensional: 4 corners in a basketball game; 4 corners in a football game; things here in America are in fours because we have a 4-dimensional constitution. Most of these other monarchies and European countries they only have a 1-dimensinal; they think that the queen of fucking England basically controls their fucking ass. Bunch of English nitwits. And then they try and bring it over here and claim that the pope and the queen basically have control over us. No they don�t. We have a declaration of independence out here and that is a treaty and that has to be honored. Now, the documents have been out there for I don�t know how many hours but basically you guys should be looking at this stuff. OK? You should be getting an email when these documents are posted, especially on we the people (yahoo group). 
If you haven�t got them, get the damn thing downloaded, open it up, and print it out.
Essentially this should be my last document that I will ever post. Take this down; talk it over with other people; take it into an attorney; see what the hell he has to say. Take it into your sheriff. Most everybody in this country loves baseball, basically they ought to understand this damn thing. In article 4 section 4 it talks about invoking the republic; well what is republic? Returning to the public! Re-publicing your assets; bringing them home; that is an eminent domain. So eminent domain is addressed right there in article 4 section 4 of the constitution; it is also addressed in the 4th amendment; it is also addressed in the expatriation act of 1968 (1868); in the expatriation act you are addressed as an American citizen, not as a united states citizen, because the united states citizen is the fraudulent citizen, is the one that is on the other team. And like I said, one citizen player for one team cannot be playing on both teams. You can only be an American citizen or basically a United States citizen. Which one do you want to be? A creditor or a debtor? The problem we have allowed is that we have allowed the other team, the US citizen team, to put in US citizen umpires in the game. But, if you hit a home run, it don�t matter WHO the umpires are, you just SCORED; they can�t prevent you! They can squawk all they want, but a home run is a home run. It is an uncontested action, just like the eminent domain is. The BK courts out here were established to bring about a just exchangement in this commercial system that they are operating with. But we kept hitting foul balls and not hitting the home-runs that we should have been hitting in the process. Fouling them off, sometimes getting stuck on first base, second base, or third base and never getting home, because we did not have the right follow-up of doing the eminent domain, having a home run drive us home. See how simple this is? I hope to hell you do because it is that simple. Now I am not going to put examples for all the SF forms up on the site; we have done that before. You can modify them and you should be able to take this court case document and figure out what you need to do with those other documents. Even basically doing the check on the back side, make it an eminent domain check! An uncontested eminent domain transfer check, and then you sign off both as basically the party of interest, the creditor, and also as the debtor. Then it becomes uncontested; the debtor gets his debt relieved so basically he is getting some compensation; the creditor claims his credits back that have been deprived from him. So it is a winning run; you won the game.
OK? Open it up, Tom; anybody got any questions? Ask them.
Tom: I have been going through your document, I could easily figure out that your PD-ED-001 was the case itself.
Patrick: No it�s not the case; it is MY file number. Read what it says, Tom; I�ve got case number up there blank; I said this is my file number, my public file number for my public records. And then I�ve also got my other document there for what I submitted into the BK court.
Tom: OK, the letter of recall one.
Patrick: But I�m also filing this under�my express mail number also, so I�ve got 2 public record numbers, one is a US mail public record number and then my own public record number for my official public records. Yeah, the court can keep their public records for their article 3. I, as an article 4 official, I can keep MY public records. 
Tom: So it�s not the case number, it is your file number for the submission of the case.
Patrick: Yes, I�ve already got my document recorded in my records. And then basically they have to give me a copy back once the judge puts his official order on there. 
Caller: So Patrick, that goes to the?
Patrick: Chief Judge for the federal district. Yes, that is one that is the article 3 judge, the constitutional article 3 judge. The BK judge is not an article 3 judge, they are a private court system.
Caller: Who do I submit that eminent domain to?
Patrick: The chief judge of your federal district as an article 3 judge. And you address it; I�ve got it addressed there that this is going to an article 3 court. OK?
Caller: Since I was born in the District of Columbia, I was not born in a state; how would you suggest I proceed?
Patrick: Well basically you are still a citizen of the United States of America, aren�t you?
Caller: Yes sir.
Patrick: OK, then basically you have to file your petition into the chief judge over that district.
Caller: Alright, wonderful; I have been doing that.
Patrick: It would be like the territory but you have to come in and you have to do your eminent domain claim against your fictional person, claiming all your assets back from him. He gets his debt relieved, you get the credits.
Caller: OK, I currently have a federal action in the middle district of Florida which I am going to end up transferring over to�
Patrick: Where are you located at right now?
Caller: Right now? In Florida.
Patrick: You send it into the federal district court that you�re in, to that chief judge in Florida.
Caller: OK, I have done that; and I have a case and�
Patrick: No you have not done this that I just told you to do, this eminent domain. Read the new documents that I just posted up there; this is what needs to be done, even though we sent the stuff into the BK court, it ain�t going to go nowhere because we hit a foul ball. Just go up there at the plate, hit a home run this time and do the eminent domain. OK? OK. Go out and learn the game of baseball. It�s that simple. You are still in the game. I have hit too damn many foul balls over the years, I am getting ready to hit my final home run!
Caller: So Patrick, I don�t have to record this, I just go down to the chief article 3�
Patrick: You send it in by registered or express mail to the clerk of the court. You address it appropriately that this is an uncontested eminent domain claim. OK.
Caller: OK, that�s excellent�real simple.
Patrick: Yes, too simple; that�s why people can�t handle my shit because I try and keep it simple.
Caller: So Patrick, at this point, everything else that we have sent out, this right here is the kicker, this is the deal right here, this eminent domain. Once we send this in, this shifts everything correctly, right?
Patrick: Yes, you will have to re-write it probably appropriately if you are going to close the whole thing down; the document I submitted�showed an example of, was using my DD214 and I was coming in only to claim $500k with one of my certified coupon copies of my DD214, but I also addressed the package that I had sent over to the BK court, and I will be submitting a complete copy of that to that federal district chief judge, and I am telling him to basically also process this. Basically as soon as I get this one eminent domain in, I sure expect that they are going to call me because basically I can hit a whole bunch more home runs after this one.
Caller: Patrick, what are the timeframes, how many days do you give them?
Patrick: Three days, read the document. They have in the BK court system, they have all of your records there in the Justice Department�the US Marshals and everything else. Watch the movie �Eraser�; if they in the witness protection program within a couple hours can turn around and wipe somebody completely out of the system, give them a new credit card with funds on it, a new identity card and everything else, it is all right there! It is all in their computer database. And see, the only way you can access that is by eminent domain. And like I said, the oldest law in the books is eminent domain, you right to claim your labor assets, your just exchangement. 
Caller: The document is titled eminent domain on the website?
Patrick: The two documents that I just posted up on we the people and Tom�s got them posted up on econcurrent, the latest two documents there. I re-named the rev 3 from the one I posted up yesterday into a home run eminent domain document; it is the same document.
Tom: If you sort the directory in reverse date order it will be the top documents (in the yahoo group). The title is �All American Eminent Domain HOME RUN Case.doc�.
Patrick: And then you will have to fill out your SF30, 1414, 1415, and if need be 1416/1418, and also if you are doing just like a coupon for so much value, you attach also a voucher, an SF1047 and basically address where you want the payment to be made, like in my case I am going to put down my direct express debit card.
Caller: Do they issue the direct express debit card?
Patrick: I have already gotten mine, you will have to ask them for a debit card if you do not have one, or put it into your commercial bank account for right now. OK? I have gone over this before.
Tom: Patrick, for your case then, you are just going to take this out of the performance bond, so would there be a need for the�?
Patrick: I am taking it out of the payment bond; no taxes when it comes out of the payment bond. And then basically their fees and everything, they are going to have to put their eminent domain claim in to claim their fees.
Tom: And that comes out of the performance bond.
Patrick: Yes, that would come out of the performance bond.
Caller: that is the 1418, correct?
Patrick: yes, that they would have to file, but see we can do it just using the 1415 form. But if we are doing a complete liquidation then we would address it using the 1416/1418 as a complete liquidation for that bearer certificate.
Tom: Now in your list of attachments, you have N/A in front of the 1416/1418.
Patrick: That�s right, I am not using those two.
Tom: So you are just doing it with the 15? Increase the payment?
Patrick: Yes. The 15 only, I don�t need the 16; the 15 addresses both the 16 and the 18 forms. But if you are doing a complete liquidation then you bypass the 15 and you do the 1416 and the 1418 and in there you just write �for total liquidation of the account�; you don�t know what the value is.
Caller: So Patrick, once you do the 15 and you put the certain amount on there, will you be able to go back and get more or are you just cutting it off right there?
Patrick: Think about what you just said; if you are doing a partial, you are doing a partial; you can always go back and do another partial; you do not kill a whole thing if you are only doing a partial. OK.
Caller: How would you suggest any actions against corrupt judges? Go after them?
Patrick: You don�t go after them right now; OK? You go in and get yourself straightened out first; you cannot go after a corrupt judge if you are out there operating as a corrupt United States citizen. OK? You don�t have any rights as a United States citizen. There is only one remedy and that is to become an American state citizen. Anybody else have any questions?
Caller: So Patrick, if we are doing a partial withdrawal, all we sent in is the letters with the SF1415 and that�s it?
Patrick: You put in an SF30, a 1414, a 1415, and a 1047, a voucher, and you have to put your coupon in there and you have to do basically a check, a cashier�s check, an eminent domain cashier�s check for so much, for that value on the back of that coupon, and you endorse it both with the debtor and as the creditor, so it is an uncontested cashier�s check. An uncontested eminent domain cashier�s check. 
Caller: And who shall we CC those copies to?
Patrick: You ain�t CCing it to nobody, you are sending it in to that chief fucking judge for the federal district. You are putting an order into him, just like you go to the local bank and you put your order in that you want to take $100k out of your checking account. You are the master; act like it! Instead of some sniveling idiot. Damn it people�. Pissed me off just like about half the damn canuckies (Canadians)�thinking that the fucking queen of England controls their fucking lives�that they�ve got to pay homage to some damn bitch, just like you are trying to do that in this country with that damn bitch Hillary. Which came first, the man or the woman? (The man). OK, enough said. I will love women until I die but basically I ain�t going to take no bullshit off of them.
Caller: Patrick, any response on your state passport application, sir?
Patrick: No, I have not submitted it in because basically we are going to go to this federal district court. All the state items are in that federal district court BK database. Like I said, watch the movie �Eraser�; if they can take and change your ID cards and everything else�that means DL, that means everything; all your state items, they can turn around and purge those and give you new ones out here for everything you�ve got because they are overseeing every collateral trust contract you have, and that is what I tried to address in this document, and it is a private court that is controlling this, so you come into the article 3 court that has superiority over the private courts and basically �wham bam thank you ma�am�, you�ve got control over them now. Because all these private courts and all these other private corporations, they had to get permission from the constitutional government! Yeah, everybody worried about China being a creditor, coming in here and taking over this country, how about we the people as the creditors come in and take this country over? And start firing all of these private corporations. We take our credits back away from them, they have nothing to live on; they are going to go away! 
Caller: So if a woman is unmarried and her father is outside of her life, how will she go about claiming her accounts and closing them down?
Patrick: She has got to do an eminent domain right now. OK?
Caller: So Patrick, when we do this eminent domain, it does not matter what state we were born in or do we have to do it in the state we were born in?
Patrick: Do it where you are right now if you have been there for 180 days or whatever it is, because that is where your records are really being controlled is out underneath that private BK court in that district. OK? OK. 
Caller: So Patrick, I take it that you have sent yours out already?
Patrick: No, I was not able to get it out in the mail yesterday, OK? My post office is only open for 1 hour and basically I did not finish it up until about noontime and basically the post office had been closed for 2 hours at that point in time so I could put it out in the mail first thing in the morning.
Caller: So the defendant will be our surety?
Patrick: Yes. The SS person basically is involved in there, but the one that you are sending in and basically you can add more to it there than you can shake a stick at, because basically what do you got? You got the CoLB, if you got a military, you got a military DD214 under the Selective Service number, but all the credits are transferred from there over into the damn SS account, and then basically you�ve got your marriage license, cert. of title to vehicle/property, DL, state ID license, passport, hunting/fishing license; how many hundreds of damn collateral trust certificates do you have out there? It�s hard to say! Every bank account is a collateral trust certificate; every mortgage, every loan; they are all the same.
Caller: So the defendant�s title can be ens legis for the legal person?
Patrick: Whatever I�ve got on the document, OK? 
Caller: It�s blank.
Patrick: No it says �Patrick Devine�. OK? Just read the document. OK? You have to put the coupon in for either partial or full liquidation. 
Caller: A coupon would be the BC because I have never been in the military.
Patrick: A copy of the CoLB which is publicly certified by the SoS; a copy of your cert. of title to your vehicle from the county, it is publicly certified; a copy of your cert. of title to your house, it is a public certified copy, it is a coupon. You either do a full or a partial liquidation of it.
Caller: OK, Now if we don�t have any of that because I had the state come after me and take everything�arrested me, you know, did some time in prison, and they removed all of my documents and everything�
Patrick: They took the copies you had; do you still have control over some of those documents? Do you have to go down to the courthouse and get a copy? Do you have a vehicle? Is it still registered with the state? Then you need to get an updated copy of that certificate of title. Think about this! Your marriage license�if they took your marriage license but you are still married�you can go back and get another copy of your marriage certificate. You need to get a copy of the coupon�a public certified copy of that so that you can come in and claim that back because really that public certified copy is a public certified copy of a private contract. You have to surrender the private contract and bring the debt, convert it back into credits and bring it back into the RE-public. You are re-patriating back to the de jure. That is really what re-public means in article 4 section 4, is you are repatriating back to the public world. And then, see you will get a public ID out here and basically you are not going to be out there standing like a private on the battlefield all by yourself; you are going to be out there in a battalion, hidden away in the public battalion. And they can�t fucking see you!
Caller: Patrick; you will be hidden in plain sight, is that what you are saying?
Patrick: Yes. Because as soon as one of their people start shooting at you, basically the whole battalion is going to start shooting at them! 
Caller: You mentioned something about a check?
Patrick: Yes, basically I have put examples of checks to put on the back of the certificates, the coupons, up there before, you are going to have to modify it appropriately to be an uncontested cashier�s check for either full liquidation or partial liquidation and then you�ll sign it both as the creditor and as the debtor so that you show it�s uncontested; the plaintiff and the defendant are in agreement. And see, this judge when you send it in to him, there is no adjudication; there is no case, there is no court action; all he has to do is concur with it and sign it and order his people to do what we want done. Everybody that goes out here and wants a jury trial�if you are standing in the article 4 capacity, OK? As a sovereign person�sovereignty person�you cannot have somebody that is playing on both teams come in and be on the jury; even a grand jury cannot indict you if they are standing with one foot in the public realm and one foot in the private realm. See, these people that are going in, they don�t know where in the hell their power is, just like when I went into court and basically the judge was going to try and charge me with contempt, I said that you can go ahead and charge me but I�ve got the power to turn around and purge myself of that contempt so why the fuck even bother? He shut up, he never brought it up again. That is when you know that you�re damn close, but see I was hitting foul balls; they could not strike me out because I was still hitting foul balls, I was like that kid in that book that I read shit, 60 years ago, the kid that batted a thousand�hell, he kept walking because they finally threw four balls to him and he walked; he always got on base but he never struck out. Because he was hitting foul balls until the one time to where he came in and he hit one right down the middle, an in-field home run. And that�s what you need to do here; you just need this one big win and you�re out of there. 
Caller: OK, on eminent domain it says per my record number; which record number would that be?
Patrick: You make up your OWN record number, and then the other number is my public mailing number, my express mail number, or you can use a registered mail number. You keep these public records, then you�ve got a public record that you can go back after�like this chief judge or anybody else that causes you harm, and you take it into a public court, not into one of their private corporation courts.
Caller: So the same procedures apply when you�re having someone served, or you don�t want to go down that path?
Patrick: Why do you need to serve somebody right now? Just take care of your shit first. OK?
Caller: So Patrick, I am hearing that we only need one UCC now, is that true?
Patrick: You don�t need a UCC. 
Caller: So we don�t have to do the non-UCCs at all?
Patrick: If you haven�t done it, NO! It has some advantages to have that because now you have that in you private records�your private�private records, not as a united states citizen but as a American citizen private records.
Caller: So other than doing the UCC now, what are we doing now? 
Patrick: You are doing this eminent domain! OK? 
Caller: And that would be the only thing that we need to do?
Patrick: You haven�t heard too much, go back, listen to the whole call, get the latest documents and then basically you should understand what is going on. OK? Anybody else?
Caller: Patrick, this is Jennifer and I have not started any paperwork yet, so don�t I still need to do�.
Patrick: Why haven�t you?
Caller: Well we are in the process; I printed out all the old paperwork but we were going to do the non-UCC to go into it but now I don�t even need to do that.
Patrick: No, it�s advantageous because it starts getting you to getting your records together. And it�s only going to cost you $12 to turn around and send it right back to yourself, you don�t have to get that approved by anybody except yourself. 
Caller: Am I writing my name as my BC name or my married name?
Patrick: However you want to; look at my court document how I�ve got the 2 different names written; I am not dead as the living so basically I�ve got a hyphen in there�or a semicolon. OK.
Caller: So would that coupon number be the 6-digit red number on the front of your BC or the registration number?
Patrick: The security is going to be the registration number, the coupon number is going to be the red number like on the CoLB, or basically if you�ve got a cert. of title to a vehicle, basically they are pretty much the same way, they will have a coupon number on them also, but they have a registration number up at the top and normally they are a 9-digit registration number; the coupon number can be 5,6,7; it all depends on how many coupons, because basically the coupon number is also a counterfeiting number for the state, because they put all these certificates into a machine and then basically the next one out is the next coupon number that comes out of the machine. That�s all it is, just the same thing with your SS card, that number on the back is basically a counterfeiting number; that is the coupon number for the SS account that you�re operating with right now. 
Caller: And every time you get a new BC, that red number on the front, it changes every time?
Patrick: Yes, you get a new coupon! See, I�ve got unlimited access into the VA hospital; why? Because I put one of my coupons on file with them, a DD214, publicly certified; guy that went to the hospital up in Michigan basically took a CoLB and placed it on deposit with the hospital. He had basically a private room and everything else because he gave them a coupon that basically had unlimited access to what he needed to have done. That is what the coupon is all about. 
Caller: Did that coupon have a check on the back?
Patrick: No; I don�t know what he had on the back of it but basically he might have just signed it over to them, said basically �take what you need�.
Caller: Does it make a difference if you have the state and the county BC?
Patrick: No, they are both still under a public certification. 
Caller: My county has 11 digits for the state filing number and my state has 14 digits and the county does not even have the red number on the front.
Patrick: Whatever coupon they give you, that is valid. OK? It is in their state database; OK? Which is tied into the BK, this private justice exchange court system. This is a private court of equity. The BK court is; it is a private court for all of these collateral trust certificates that are out here. They have no jurisdiction over the PUBLIC system. See, your driver�s license is not a public driver�s license; it is a private DL; it only belongs to you. Your cert. of title to the vehicle is not a public document, it is a private document. It only belongs to you; nobody else can use it, only you�until you transfer it over to them, then they get control of it.
Caller: So if we already have a case number in federal court, do we want to abandon it or do we put that on the forms?
Patrick: Well it all depends on what your case number is and then basically you can do an inversion�inverse condemnation of that case. If you were going in as the defendant, you can turn around and do an inversion; it is a counter-action. 
Caller: Well I started civil proceedings against a number of judges�
Patrick: If you were the plaintiff in the damn thing then shut it down. You are playing in their damn game and you are going to lose. Yeah, you are a public court out here�or a private court, and they have all of the private people working against you, so you are going to lose. They are going to be making money off of you while you�re sitting there being a nitwit, thinking that you are going to win from them. No, they are just going to play games with you, laughing their ass off, �how dumb is this shithead sitting here; we are making money off of him; let�s keep playing him along�. Yeah, how many times have you seen movies where the damn bullies and everything else keep playing the damn younger kid along until finally the kid says enough is enough and basically then he stands up to him. All of this stuff is in the movies, over and over again.
Caller: So the adjustment amount can be any amount because on your document it has $500k.
Patrick: If you are going to close the account down then you basically put the whole amount, like in BK there, 10 billion or whatever, so they�ve got to close the whole thing down. You may not get $10 billion but basically they are going to have to shut it all down and give you what is there. But otherwise, just go with something that basically you can handle for right now. You can always get more coupons if you are only going to do a partial.
Caller: No, I want to liquidate the whole thing, I have been trying to get out of the system for about 10 years now.
Patrick: But make sure you�ve got your shit together before you get out so you might want to do a partial first. OK? Don�t be a fucking pig. Damn pigs were driven into the damn river or ocean, whatever.
Caller: What dollar amount would be too much though? 
Caller: What can you handle? What Patrick is saying is that this is the bottom line: what we have access to, we have never been exposed to; too much of anything will mess you up; do a partial; get what you can handle; in other words, don�t be greedy. OK? If you can handle $300k, you get it; if you never had $1M, you don�t know what it looks like, you don�t know what it is going to do to you; if you cannot handle that, do a partial; for instance, technically Patrick has led everybody up to this point, go by what his lead is, go by what he has on there; if that is too much, then you go lower, but don�t go higher because you are not ready for it; you are not ready for what is available; you are not, I don�t care how much you think, how much you dream, you are not ready for it. You go by what he has or you go lower, just manage that. What we have access to, I promise you, it will last for generations and we can�t handle it, I don�t care who the hell you think you are.
Caller: So what would be the general article 3 court public order? A partial termination?
Patrick: Basically what I put up there; read that document, I did just a partial on this one even though I am also going to send a copy of what I submitted into the BK court and tell them to turn around and process that one, and if need be, I will turn around and put a complete liquidation back into this court next week. I want the $500k right now, but I can always turn around a week later and put in for the total liquidation. But see in a lot of cases people are out here: they don�t have a home, they don�t have a vehicle, they don�t have this�. Start working and getting certain things to put yourself into a different situation, OK? Working to get yourself out, to get all your documents together, OK? Because 99% of you people don�t have all of your documents that you need to go in and be prepared to do a complete liquidation. 
Caller: Is there some way we can do a search to find out how many have been created over our lifetime?
Patrick: You get the major ones; there is going to be a hell of a lot that basically are still out there but like I said the BK court, the Enterprise Financial Management System (EFMS) with the Secret Service, they have a complete listing of all of your items, just like basically in the movie �Eraser�; Arnold Schwarzenegger worked for the US Marshals; they can access the damn computer database and pull all your documents down and erase you out of the private world and put you into the public world, hidden away. 
Caller: Patrick, on a complete liquidation, what are you putting your assets into, is it a private trust?
Patrick: Well I�ll be doing the same thing with my DD214 that I�m putting in for this partial, I will just make it a full liquidation of the DD214 and I�ll add the CoLB, I�ll ad my other�my passport, my DL, and a few other items in there; but I�ve got several of those already addressed in my BK court case and then basically then I�ve got in my BK court case �all others� listed there, so they know what �all others� are!
Caller: But where are you putting it? What account is it a trust account, is it a foundation?
Patrick: I am going to get the assets back into this Treasury Direct Express card, then I can turn around and go down to the coin dealer or basically set up something with the Department of Treasury, with the mint, and turn around and take like 18 FR dollars and go in there and cash those in for silver dollars.
Caller: So in the event of having�.
Patrick: However I want to do it; however you want to do it! Do you need to have silver dollars? No! Can you operate with FR dollars right now? Yes. It�s just a form of money exchangement, that�s all it is; silver is just the same thing, it�s just a form of money: coffee, cocoa, soybeans, cotton, they are all commodities; they are a form of money and a form of exchangement. You can go down to WalMart and buy up all the cigarette lighters up there, you can use those as exchangement �barter. 
Caller: What would be the coupon for the DL?
Patrick: The DL itself!
Caller: And we can send a copy or�
Patrick: Surrendering the DL in a court for a traffic ticket�basically you just turned the certificate over to pay for the traffic ticket; get rid of it! Say �here, I want complete liquidation of this collateral trust certificate that�s here; you take out the traffic ticket fees and give me the rest, but I am going to the public, you can have this private document, and I want it cashed in�. It is like you going in to a commodity broker�s and you have a security, a stock certificate, and you want it cashed in�they�ve got 3 days to cash it. That is all that this is; all of these things are just securities. And when you surrender them, they have 3 days to cash them out. I know that for a fact because I took the commodity broker�s test and I passed it, even though I never went and got my license to be a commodity broker.
Caller: For the sake of an example, for eminent domain, I can just submit my state ID with a partial liquidation.
Patrick: You need to read the document that I have; OK? And you�ll see it, it�s all right there. OK? Don�t ask a question about a document until you have read the document, please; you will piss me off.
Caller: Are we still using the state ID number for the routing number (when doing the check on the back)?
Patrick: We don�t need to route anything; we are doing an eminent domain.
Caller: I am saying in regards to the BC when we put the check on the back of it.
Patrick: We are just going to do an eminent domain cashier�s check and cash that out.
Caller: So what numbers do we put at the bottom?
Patrick: We don�t need to put those on there. 
Caller: So the state file number is valid and the state ID�?
Patrick: We are doing an eminent domain, we are doing a cash-out of the certificate, it�s a completely different process; you are not going to the local bank; you are going to the court and you are putting an order in for cashing this much of this security, and then you�ve got your 1047 form, your voucher, and you are telling them where to put the money. OK?
Caller: Are there any recent successes from someone who has filed these documents recently?
Patrick: Nobody has filed these fucking documents yet; I just wrote these damn things up here several days ago. OK? AFTER I BECAME A VAMPIRE. OK.
Caller: And you guys, just remember, we always have skype, so once those of us who wrote start doing this process tomorrow, we can always go on skype and ask questions and you know somebody here out of all of us together we can come up with the correct answer and we will be able to help each other through this process.
Patrick: Yeah, or get together in local groups and go over these things or go into the �we the people� (yahoo group) and use the chat, the message board as your chatting process. That is what those group sites were for was to have that message board be the communication and then basically you can see if there�s so many people like in the state of Michigan, basically you might have 3 or 4 people located in the same town you are in.
Tom: The welcome email is sent out every 2 weeks and it was sent out today, it tells you where all of these resources are. 
Patrick: That is off of �we the people� (yahoo group).
Tom: Right, get the welcome email from the �we the people� yahoo group, print it out, save it; that way you will be able to get to everything.
Caller: Well I am getting started tomorrow.
Caller: Yeah, so am I, let�s have a whole bunch of paperwork and everything ready and meet on chat about 10 AM central time.
Patrick: Yeah, none of these other systems out here that people are doing address anything about eminent domain. OK? So they are barking up the wrong tree; they are arguing the damn codes of law, the private laws out here. And then basically half of them are thinking well we�ve got to go to the pope in Rome or we�ve got to go to the queen of England and basically ask their permission. Bull-fucking-shit. OK? We are Americans; we are not under the control of England or under the papacy. Those guys are operating in the private world. We are over here in the public world of America. And then basically when we get our public credits and everything, we can turn around and put them into OUR private world, not the corporate private world, but our private world by putting them into the cookie jar in the backyard or the back 40; wherever you want to dig up a hole and bury it. That is your private�and basically then, you basically get your property and you don�t put it into the private commercial world by registering it with the damn private STATE OF shit/hell-hole. That�s the problem, nobody knows who they are. Are you in the public or are you in the private world today? Which world do you want to be in? Well I want to be in the private world but I want to be in the public private world, not the corporate private world. And then like I stated at the very beginning, anybody that�s basically out here and basically has problems: every one of the state constitutions has the time in there and basically this has been in numerous different movies, about petitioning the governor for clemency or for pardon�total pardon. OK? From the damn corporate charges.  
Caller: What do you mean by petitioning the governor?
Patrick: You write a letter to the governor and you request that he basically take a look into your case and that you are basically being harmed in the process by the private commercial world. That these do not apply to you because you are one of the �we the people� of that state. You�ve got to know who you are and where you stand; I mean, basically you�ve got one guy here basically they�ve got pictures of all the deedings (?) and everything else that he�s done, well basically I mean that one ought to be a hands down, that basically if he would write the letter to the governor, basically the governor should just under general principle get him out of prison and basically say �enough is enough on this case, I pardon the complete process�. He has paid his dues. But see, nobody on any of these talkshoes or anything else talks about going�they want to go into court, they want to go into these private courts and argue something out here that they�re going to lose, because the private courts are there for a profit. It�s like you going in and basically going in to a WalMart court�you knocked over something on the damn aisle and basically they are going to charge you $100k in the damn process; how ludicrous is that? You are in the wrong court. You are not going to win in their WalMart court. Because that WalMart court is there to try and make a profit off of you for being a nitwit. OK, anybody else have any questions?
Caller: Thanks for showing us how to hit a home run.
Patrick: Yeah, basically when you understand how the constitution is all set up, it is all right there, and then the game of baseball was written right from that or basically even the constitution might have been written from the precursor to the game of baseball, and they saw that basically in this country we are operating in a 3-dimensional system not in a single-dimensional system of just 3 lines and thinking that the queen or the monarchy has control over us. But yet the usage of eminent domain basically has been out there all the way through the bible and then basically it gets credit for being re-resurrected over in France in the 1600s. All the monarchies in the European theater basically know about eminent domain also, they are just going to have a slightly different process to go about their right of eminent domain because eminent domain really means bringing the credits back home, and you have been deprived of your just labor out here and it is being held over here in a private commercial surety collateral account and that is why you are not getting your just exchangement for your labor, you have to bring it home, you have to do an eminent domain claim, cancel the debt for that surety and bring your credits back home. Eminent domain is not just what the states and everything else try and make it appear to be by the government coming out here and taking your property; their usage is private corporation eminent domain, for their profits. It is being used in the wrong connotation. 
Caller: Yeah, we have the right to pursue our happiness and to be secure in our body and our personal effects.
Patrick: Right. We have our rights of liberty. OK? Anybody else?
Caller: So when sending in these SF forms and the contract number; how do I identify the original contract numbers if I have 2 contract numbers, the state file number and the child birth number?
Patrick: Whichever document you are sending in, that is what you submit in as the contract number. You either send the state copy or the county copy in.
Caller: And both of them are different accounts?
Patrick: I said you send ONE in; you pick which one you want; I would go with the state one. OK? OK. OK, you guys basically take care and we�ll talk to you later. Have a good night. OK.