Transcripts_Notes/01-Transcripts/patrick_0921.txt

Tom: Caller will talk about how Patrick described the SF forms we had to fill out.
Caller heard from Patrick that he did a separate 1414 for each routing number;
if you look on the letter he mentions the three different routing numbers: passport, estate EIN, DL
Tom: He also mentions that in the second attachment. Caller: What I wound up doing was I used my IRS determination letter for my estate EIN
and I did the same thing that he did with the DL document. Since I did not have a passport, I did not have that 1414.
Tom: So we are doing a liquidation on those 3 transit numbers? Caller: No, because they are not represented by collateral trust certificates.
Tom: Yeah, they do not represent collateral. Caller: Yeah. Tom: So what we terminate then is the CoLB and possibly the DD214?
Yes, well the CoLB then the SSN then (??? caller probably meant to say the DD214).
Tom: Patrick just sent me some files. So I will get those files up and he probably already has them posted on yahoo...
Yes, the new files are in the skype group; I will put them up on econcurrent.
Patrick: OK Tom, this is Pat I am on the line. Tom: Yeah Pat I just uploaded your files to the skype group, in process of getting it on econcurrent.
Recording is on? Yes. OK, try and get those files downloaded; basically the key thing is that like I said, that SS card, when you look at it,
it is a mini-certificate. OK? Just like you got a certificate when you graduated from high school, or whatever; this is a mini-certificate
and it is a certificate of indebtedness; you look that up in the dictionary and I have got it on one of these forms. OK?
And that is what this is; it is a certificate of indebtedness; it is also a certificate of deposit because we put deposits into it and basically
we can come in under two categories and turn that certificate of deposit into a demand certificate or a time certificate.
The time is up on those certificates; they were supposed to be payed out at the age of 25, so we can demand these to be paid out with that SF30.
OK? You can do that either under Title 46, chapter 73. OK? As a demand withdrawal check, or a coupon claim. OK? Or you can go in for the full liquidation.
And then I posted the letter up there for the SS one that I sent into the SS administration. And if these guys do not comply, they are in violation
of (the) universal banking laws. OK? You have to keep the pressure upon them. Notify basically like the IG of the Justice Department.
The IG of the SSA, the Treasury IG, the IG of the Department of Commerce. OK? Everything out here is about banking. Everything.
I have said this all along. All these people out here that constantly want to go and argue everything under the sun, they don't understand the banking
process; they do not understand the constitution--what they were originally designed for. That is all that these constitutions and charters are,
they are banking charters or constitutions. And that is what you have to invoke is the right banking laws. You can listen to all these other talkshoes
and everything else you want to and basically yeah they are going to charge you and basically keep you at bay, and all you need to do is come in
and offer settlement; you are insolvent right now while you have a surety. He is holding all of your commercial money. You offer settlement
with these forms; they cannot deny it. But, like a couple of guys down in South Carolina found out, you need to come--and they were in a federal court,
one of them was trying to stick up for the other one and basically the court would not hear either one of them because they needed
a public defender bar attorney to present their shit to the damn court. You as the living cannot go into these dead-man courts.
You can do it yourself prior to going to court, but once it gets into a court, you better have a public defender process your shit for you.
This is just right out of the story, the fables and everything else about the boatsman going to Hades; you can look at all the Percy Jackson
lightning Thief movie; you need to pay the boatsman to go to Hades; and that is what you are doing when you are going into these courts;
you are going into hell. You pay the boatsman, but basically you are going to authorize the funds to come out of your account using the SF1418;
you make a check out along with the 1418 and give that to the attorney for his payment. You have no money, you are insolvent; 
make your surety pay for the shit. You look over these forms and everything is right there. I have got it addressed, I do not know how any better
I can make it out to explain this shit. And if you guys listen to any other talkshoes I wish you would pass this information onto them and tell them
"now, you guys disprove what the hell Patrick is saying". The more people that stand up for this, the more we will wake these people up
and start shutting ALL of these things down. I have essentially opened up the gate here and basically now we need to start pushing it through the gate.
We are not going to go into too much more, I put up three items there showing the SS card as basically a mini-certificate,
and then (I) basically put up an example of a demand withdrawal check from the SS account. OK? If you have an estate EIN, I would use that
as the IRS bank routing number, and then your SS number as the account number. And then basically the three page letter that I sent into the SSA.
You can fax a copy into your regional office and also into the IG's office, letting them know that basically if this is not completed,
you will be filing fraud charges against them in the process--banking fraud charges. OK? They've got 3 days because this is a banking transaction.
It is not a trust transaction, it is just a damn banking transaction. So you do not have to put up with any shit from them. OK?
OK, open it up for questions or anything, Tom. 
Tom: You put up an SF30 contract modification subgroup letter, but I did not catch it and post it online yet.
Caller has question on the SF30 for the CoLB. He did not mention any of the laws in there because he figures that if they are processing
the transaction and we already explained the laws in the letter, it probably does not need to be on the form. Is that incorrect?
Patrick: well if you have some space on there, throw it on there; it don't hurt to "double say" it.
You do not have to go into real details on the thing but you can just keep it simple, say "per title 46 chapter 573 (08)",
"basically I am ordering the liquidation of this" and also--what the hell was the other one that I referenced? Whatever it was in the letter;
basically you just take that one little simple statement out of the letter. All of these are certificates of indebtedness.
They are also collateral trust certificates. OK? Same terminology just different wording--OK--in the process...
And then basically you can put the definition of that certificate of indebtedness, and when you read that definition it basically says
everything that they are doing. That they are using our--they are the ones that are indebted to us! That is really where the national debt is owed.
The national debt is what is owed to the people by the corporations: by the US corporation, by the STATE OF whatever corporation.
Most of the debt that is paid to China and everything else is already settled. That is payed out on a 15 or 30-day process out of the DTC.
That is where that interest has to be paid out of. They get paid! It is us that is not getting paid. And then they are trying to blame it
on everything else; these guys are a bunch of born liars. So never believe a god-damn thing that they ever say.
And that is the problem with most of these other people that are on these talkshoes and everything else.
Half of them are out there are born liars; they would not know the damn truth because they are listening to the wrong people in the process.
That Dallas Debt organization or whatever; yeah, they sound like a halfway decent outfit but basically they charge for their damn services,
and then they are using bullshit in the damn process; they are trying to fight all the damn laws in court just like all this other groups out here
that basically are trying to have the damn grand jury bullshit: jurisprudence process. They do not know a god-damn thing about banking.
And that is where your remedy is fully at is understanding how the banking process--the republic banking and the commercial banking system work--
and that's it; and knowing that these government forms: these guys have to follow these government forms.
They will try and balk at it but basically you are the united states executive office out here. You are the fourth and the highest branch of gov't.
We own this country; act like an owner. OK, now anybody else got any questions, comments?
Caller: Those of us with a Certificate of Naturalization; we are thinking that we also send it into the STATE as you stated,
but we want some clarification there; is that the case or it should we be going...? You find out where it went through, what court, and everything else,
and who is it assigned to? Is it by the US Secretary of State? Caller: Well, one is like the AG is the one who authorized everything.
The US AG? Yes. OK, then go there. And then this Homeland Security is the one that authorized another for somebody else? Well, get them involved.
I don't think Janet Napolitano is still there as Secretary of Homeland Security, but basically you can check it out.
Ask the question of THEM! OK? That is what really needs to be done. Ask the damn judge who basically swore you in and naturalized you.
Say "where do I go to get my damn banking process completed?" Ask the US attorneys. I am sure that there is a US attorney in that damn court,
or basically when you got sworn in. See these guys are all just bankers, banking brokers. OK, anybody else?
Nobody has any questions? Has anybody got any results? Credit card settlements? Utility settlements? Court cases? Speak up!
Tell these other people what you have done! One caller says she has had a conversation with the IG of the SSA, where she sent in her work for them
to modify her account for $5k a month; he spoke with her yesterday and said he could not read; 
today they called and said they would let her know "something" by Friday, that is one day from tomorrow, so I will let the group know what that result
comes out to be, but thank you very much, Patrick. Yeah, you keep upon these inspector generals. OK? I told people this a year ago:
When I basically called upon the SS IG and one of the other guys filed a complaint in with the SS IG about taking taxes out of his SS account,
he got all his taxes that they took out back, and they have not taken any more taxes out of his SS account, because we went in in both cases,
and alleged the fraud that was being perpetrated by the SSA. That is one of the big things in the process out here, is all these IGs that are out here,
they deal with fraud and identity theft, and basically the ID theft is that they are claiming us to be the surety. We are not the surety.
We are the owners of the surety and the surety is holding all of our assets, and all we have to do is come in and release the funds
that the surety is holding, to settle the indebtedness that is owed to us. That is why people go to jail is because they refuse to allow
the surety to set the debt off, and these damn attorneys sit there and hoodwink you into going to jail in place of the surety,
because you did not say that you were insolvent and that you were not the surety, and order the settlement. "I am here to settle, I am insolvent",
"and the only way that this settlement can be made is by you taking the funds from my surety over this account; give me the forms and I will sign them".
It is that simple. OK, anybody else? Everybody (is) unmuted, Tom? Anybody on the line?
Caller: OK Patrick, I have a question. We give them three days and then send this to the IG or what? How many days should we give them?
You send it in and basically they've got 3 days, I would also at the same time you send it to the SS or the SoS, follow up, send a fax out
to the state AG and to the Treasurer of the state, tomorrow basically follow up; send it out the next morning; put it in the mail today,
and basically it should overnight delivery and basically the next morning you fax a copy off to the other place, and then I would follow up
with a hard copy by priority mail. To the two offices: to the regional office for the SS and the IG for the SS, and always put something in there,
about special notice, that if this is not completed, that basically they have three days to process and that basically if not, it's banking fraud.
Caller: OK, so I am talking about my CoLB I sent to the state, they got it yesterday, today is one day, Friday will be three days.
Have you sent anything into the Treasurer and the AG office? Yes, I sent overnight.... Just keep on top of them, say "hey I want to know what the status  
is or else I will bring in other banking investigators like maybe the FBI or the CID about this". They are all about banking: the FBI, Federal Banking  
Investigators. Caller: so 3 days is the limit, then after that... Patrick: Well, basically that is normal! Death and resurrection, 
that is even right in the Bible with Jesus; that was all about banking. OK, but you have to keep upon them; make them fully aware 
that basically you know the law. Caller: I wanted to make a credit card payment and I wanted to make sure I had the correct documents
to send into the company, so is it the SF30, 1414,1418 to send in? 1414 and a 1418 and then make up one of these checks and make it for
the full value of what the credit card debt is that you have. Full value; don't just make a payment, make the full value payment.
OK, and the check example is? You can use the one that I put up there the other day for the CoLB but you make it a payment, a settlement;
a check settlement against that account. Just modify it appropriately. You are the creator; act like a creator.
Caller: I have a question on my court case. I had done the SF30, 1414, 1416, 1418, along with the bounty hunter SF30, 1414,1416,1418,
and I tried to get my legal counsel to file it for me and he refused to do so. I tried to get him to file it into the court case; he refused.
Is he a public defender or did you hire this attorney? He is legal counsel; I did not want a public defender, the judge made me take a legal counsel.
No, I want a public defender, I want a licensed BAR attorney. Is he a licensed BAR attorney? Yes, he is. OK; and he won't settle this? No.
He won't process it? No. You know there is a complaint form for the licensing of that BAR license that you can file against him,
for non-compliance of the banking laws. I said this I think two calls ago that in the Department of Commerce, there is a banking division,
there is a licensing division, and there is an insurance division. All of these guys, these BAR attorneys are all licensed, they are insured,
and you can file charges against their license! You can even have them dis-barred, just like a commodity broker out here that refuses to settle
your account for you; he is waiting until basically he can make more money off the process. Caller: Well that is where I told him he was going to get
his payment from is by filing these. Yeah, you have to fill out one specifically for him and basically say that basically here is an SF1418
and here is the check payment for your services. Yeah, he just refused to even do it, he goes "you're crazy I don't know where you are getting this
information, you need to come in and talk to me, you know, so we can figure out a defense". Some of these guys are not that well educated,
and basically he better go and talk to the damn judge in the process and basically you need to claim that you are insolvent:
"I am insolvent, here, and I can only make settlement from my surety; my surety is holding all of my assets."
Yeah, you use that term "insolvent" in the damn process and basically that turns that court completely on its heels, because you ARE insolvent,
and you are the owner. OK? Now, they want to try and send you to the shrink and say "uh-uh, I am not the surety",
basically "on this court case, you are after the surety, you are not after the owner". "You can only deal with the dead; I am not the dead".
Caller: That is what I tried to tell them on Tuesday this week, showed them my CoLB, said "hey, here's what you are after, I'm just the agent for this".
Well it's probably more than likely in that court case it is going to be the SS account, not the CoLB. That is where all their banking process
really goes through is primarily in the SS account. Caller: Well that kind of makes sense because I am in AL and the court case is in CA.
Patrick: And then basically you also have got the IG of the Justice Department that you can basically send charges into them also,
that basically this court is not complying, but if it is a state court, basically you file it into the AG's office also.
Caller says his is a federal case. OK, then it would go to the Justice Department and there is an IG in the Justice Department. Anybody else?
Caller has one more question: I captured my son's live CoLB, and on his BC, my signature was not on the live CoLB.
Now I know I signed a document with my signature on it, now I am trying to find out or locate where I would be able to find the original
document with the signature on it. Patrick: do they have you recorded on there as basically being the father? Yes. OK, that is all you need.
OK, so would I need to come in and re-sign the document? No! If they sent it out as a security, basically use that as a security; it is a certificate.
If they sent it out from the bureau of vital statistics or from the county recorder's office, that's it, that's all you need.
It has got the father and mother's name on there. OK? And then the surety's name. That is the problem, see; people out here:
you guys have no common sense, really, when it comes down to it; you cannot think for yourself. "Do I really need to have my signature on there,
this is my son's document, really it was the wife who basically was the one who was really the informant in the process, placing...
and she was coming in as the guardian to authorize the transfer; the father does not need to be on there, but the father's name should be on there,
but the signature does not need to be from him; it only takes one of the two guardians to authorize the transfer of the funds.
You've got to think like Mr. Spock in Star Trek. It has got to make logical sense; if it don't make logical sense, it's void.
They never gave us full disclosure; you can take them to court right on that fact alone. Caller: That is proof of human trafficking.
Patrick: Yes! And basically see, when you understand who you are, you can go into a court of admiralty and a republic court, an article 3 court,
in the republic, and basically these BAR attorneys cannot go into that because they are only representing the dead, and the dead cannot go
into these republic courts; only the living can show up in there. The constitution was written for the living, not for the dead.
All the commercial shit out here is for the dead world, the "hell on earth" banking system. We are supposed to be operating in heaven.
OK? Anybody else? Caller: how do you spell logical? I don't know; go ask an English teacher. L-O-G-I-C-A-L. Another word question...
You had the word "tenor": before three days on the check. That is what they are supposed to do, correct? T-E-N-O-R.
You look that up in the dictionary and basically it says "settlement"; they have to make tenor back to you within 3 days; 3 days is settlement.
That is a standard item in a lot of different contracts out here is that you have a tenor date. Basically you put that down; 30 days, whatever.
In contract... everything out here is in... these are in contract law; that is the only thing that these attorneys study is contract law.
And this is a contract settlement and that is all it is. And you can fire an attorney if he does not comply, say "I want another one;
I will go down through the whole damn list until one of you guys basically understands what the shit I want".
"But I do not have to take number one guy; I can take number five guy if I don't like the first four".
Or else you go out and get another attorney and basically you notify them that basically they've got to comply and basically the only way that you
can contract with them is by payment using these government payment forms. Most all of these damn attorneys, BAR attorneys out here,
have completed 1099s, IRS forms, and everything else, so they know how to process the funds around. Several of us went through the bankruptcy
packet that basically the bankruptcy court out of District of Columbia has up on their website, showing how these guys can file charges
in the background against your accounts--and filing the SF30 as a modification--and the court does this all the time, under the solicitation,
using the SF30, because that court case is a solicitation; they are trying to solicit something from you. So you can modify that solicitation,
and say "hey, if I am not given full disclosure, basically this is null and void". Caller: should we use the court case number or the citation number?
(for the SF30) Either one! In some cases they are two different solicitations: the cop solicited you with the citation number on the traffic ticket;
when you go to court, the court establishes a new solicitation number for their benefit. Caller: OK, but what if the court is not telling you
who the prosecutor is? Patrick: There is only one county attorney per county, there may be several prosecutors in the process,
working for that county attorney, but basically the chief county attorney is the one that you are going to submit your shit into.
Caller: Then the deal is off for the judge trying to prosecute from the bench once we submit something to that county attorney.
When you offer settlement and you come in as insolvent and submit that in, basically into that county prosecutor before you even get to court,
he better be solving that because you gave them the contract, you gave them the order, the banking order; it is like going to a god-damn
commercial bank and settling an overdraft charge. Complain, complain, complain: the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
I had one bank try and charge me for 10 overdrafts because 10 checks hit the day before my deposit hit. There was enough to cover 9 out of the 10 checks,
but they wrote up an overdraft charge for all 10. I said "this is total bullshit". And now I really know it's total bullshit because they have
a $250,000.00 insurance policy sitting there in the process; the performance bond is what is there to make the payments for those checks,
but see they are using two sets of books; you do not see that second set of books where all your surety's money is sitting.
Say "I want full disclosure, I want to see both sets of books". Caller: Would they be able to access that through their TTNL accounts?
Well whoever is bringing the charge against that account... The SSA has two sets of books, the STATE OF whatever has two sets of books;
they've got the living set of books and the dead set of books. When you stand up to these guys, they will back the hell down.
And you do not have to sit there and tell them every god-damn thing under the sun, you just throw enough out there to basically scare
the living shit out of them, that you know more than what the average Joe Blow does out here, and in a lot of these cases, they will turn around
and just dismiss the case because you can turn around and if you understand this, you can turn around and bring total banking fraud charges against them.
And you always get that Inspector General. There is 29 different IGs out here in the federal government, and each one of the State AGs is basically
an IG for the State. Utilize them! And also utilize the identity theft and basically the insolvency. And that you are not the surety. OK? Anybody else?