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| OK, this is Patrick I am on the line, Tom is not going to be here tonight so basically I am going to go ahead and start the call. Hang on. | |
| I recommend everybody mute yourself. OK? I am not going to do that, you are going to be on an honor system to try and keep the noise down so if you are listening, mute yourself by hitting *6 or the mute button on your phone. I posted 2 documents up there today, one which is the title 11 chapter 11 bankruptcy (BK) action. OK? I posted another one up there saying BK cases cannot be filed in state court. All of your actions out here, solicitations by the police department, by the whoever, your courts, your foreclosures, your tax items, they are all BK cases. You are insolvent, per HJR192. And basically they have all of your credits under your surety, so all the state commercial solicitation charges, whether they be taxes, whether they be banking, or whether they be traffic tickets or anything along those lines; unless you have caused harm or damage, the state has no jurisdiction in the process because they cannot hear a BK case. OK? And you will find that basically in title 11, BK. That is the court system that basically they set up in 1938 was this BK court system, but it was neve properly ratified in the process until 1978. You can go in and look it up in Wikipedia: basically the Supreme Court basically ruled that it was not valid, they had to re-modify it by legislative action to allow this BK court system to be in place. All of your assets are being held by the United States Corporation Bankruptcy Courts, in those courthouses. You want out of the system? You've got to go in as the creditor and you have to do a competing filing plan, you have to put a competing plan in place, and that is what I have in this one document showing you that basically a chapter 11 case: who can file a plan? You are the sole creditor, after the exclusion period has expired of which the DIP has to file their plan, then after that point in time, a creditor or a case trustee may file a competing plan. The US trustee however may not file a plan. A chapter 11 case may continue for as many years unless the court the US trustee the committee or another party in interest acts to ensure the timely resolution. The creditor's right to file a competing plan, however provides incentive for the debtor to file a plan within the exclusion period and acts as a check on excessive delay in the BK. The US Trustee plays a major role in monitoring the progress of a chapter 11 case, supervising its administration, so basically if you file your forms in, but you have to put your competing plan into the BK court, not with the US trustee. And basically you can come in under a letter of recall. OK? To recall your members, remembering them; you are going to re-member you restate, you are going to bring your members back home. OK? And basically in every contract out here you have a contractor, you have a surety, and you have the owner of that surety. Like on your SS card, the contractor is the SSA, which is an agency for the US Corporation. I have talked to too many people out here and they do not think that the constitution is worth shit. It is more powerful than you can shake a stick at. It can blow you away when you understand it, and it can blow all these commercial people away too. When you stand in the republic and you call your members back home, your sureties. OK? If you do not want to do this then basically you are violating the very first commandment of the 10 commandments: honor thy god, and god is your spirit. If you cannot honor and love thyself, you cannot go any further. Everyone has their own god. There is no god that is over everybody out here. That is a dictator, and I do not accept a dictator. You want to go to all these religious fanatic meetings: basically you are going in there and letting somebody else control you, so you do not love yourself! If you cannot stand up on your own as an individual, you do not belong here. All these people that run around out here not understanding any of this... everything since 1933 has been essentially in bankruptcy. Under the CoLB they took our surety, and basically the states were using it in the republic system. Now, when you signed up with SS, the states started transferring credits at the age of 18 into the SS system, but when you did not claim your inheritance at the age of 21, the states transferred ALL of the inheritance credits that you had per your CoLB into the SS account. A military man basically signed up with Selective Service; he was given so many military credits. OK? And that contract was supposed to be from 18 to 25. When you did not claim them at the end of the 25 years of age, basically they were all rolled into that SS, into that BK court system, under a DIP--the United States Corporation. Now the trustee and the state of whatever is also in a chapter 11 BK. So all of your cert. of title to your vehicle, your cert. of title to your property, they are all being held by the BK court FOR** the STATE OF debtor in possession. So, you want to cash out the cert. of title to your property, you have to go to the BK court and put it in. | |
| You have to stop the identity theft out here. You get a court case that comes in your name, your written name; they cannot file... if they are sending a court case out against you with your written name, you have to rebut that; say "you cannot charge me, you have to charge the surety. That is the only person that you could charge in this commercial court action, because it is a world of the dead, and a slave or a surety cannot have a written name." You can go back through history and check it out with the roman slaves: they were numbered, but they did not have a written name until they became a freed man or woman. At that point in time, they could have a written name. Check out Spartacus, check out Judah ben Hur. While they were slaves, they had a number. Most of the people in this country, when they were indentured servants or basically slaves, whether Indian slaves, black, Irish, whatever... they basically had a number. Just like all the prisoners in the prison system: they have a number! That is really what they are going by, that is the only thing that they can make any money off of is the number, the account. And see that is where people do not understand and they go into court thinking that they know every god-damn thing in the world and start shooting their mouths off and they dig themselves right into their own grave, because they really do not know who they are, they are not a number; we are supposed to be born free in this country, and we were born free, so act like you are free, and start putting the onus on your sureties, YOUR SLAVES. Why do you think that the 1872 Supreme Court ruled that basically a bounty hunter is an executive law enforcement officer? Because we can go and claim our sureties that have abandoned the republic banking system and bring them out of the commercial banking system, bring them home. It is that damn simple. | |
| You can demand from the court the written disclosure statement but basically the whole chapter 11 title 11 is the written disclosure statement of their operations out here! And then when you go through and find out the simplicity of it as being a creditor and you are the sole creditor over your sureties. Now if grandpa/ma are dead, then basically you are going to have to come in as one of the many creditors in a creditors' meeting and file a plan set up a plan on how you are going to divvy up grandma and grandpa's sureties. But it is all done in this BK court. This is your probating action out here. When you have the US Marshals go and seize all the accruals and all the credits that belong to your sureties and bring them back home, then the Secret Service and the IRS will probate those and take out the unjust fees, or the just fees for the injustice that basically is involved in the bondage--what tariff taxes and everything are owed from the performance bonds. I hope you all got a copy of that "BK cases cannot be filed in state court". These state courts: the only way you can get into a state court tis if you have caused harm or damage and then it's got to be by a grand jury action. And basically that SF30 is there for two reasons, one is to modify the contract, the other is to do a rebuttal of the solicitation against your surety. If you were not operating in commerce, you rebut that traffic ticket using the SF30. And you notify this state court that basically they can either process it in putting a B410 into the BK court, or you are going to do it, and if need be, you will bring charges against them because it is going to have to be approved by--guess who?--a SS Inspector that is located in each one of the federal districts, you just do not know he is there. I know he is there because I saw his office; he was not in it but basically I know he is there. Because when you do the SF30, he is going to have to sign as the authorizing contractor. The US trustee would hand that SF30 over to him to sign. | |
| Caller asks: �SF30 which one is that? Perf bond? No, I just said that is the solicitation and the modification of contract. You ought to have these forms memorized by now, I have been talking about them for 2 or 3 weeks. You better talk to the shithead that got you into this. I hate this when people get invited into this damn call and the people that gave them the info. does not give them the whole story! You just do not send somebody someplace without telling them what the system is or giving them the links to the files. Telling them what they need to look at before they even speak! I have been at this for I don't know how many years, so I have every right to bitch and complain about what goes on here, the number of people that don't do shit, that only ask dumb questions, that basically invite other people on the call and do not educate them into why you are being invited into the call. This is all being done on | |
| an individual basis; you have to learn to love yourself first, then you can help others. If you are going to go right to #2 and help thy neighbors, then help thy neighbors and give them the damn information to where to properly go and don't just go into a call for them to say "oh I don't know where to get this shit" | |
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| I don't know what happened to econcurrent, the ones that are supposed to be deleted are sitting there and the latest ones are not there anymore. So I don't know what happened, but basically you people should have downloaded these, so if you want to, try and give them to these other people that you are trying to invite in, have them listen to those calls before they get into this call. But like I said, everything out here is about Bankruptcy, and the Debtors in Possession of our sureties, and we have the right to issue a letter of total recall. Why do you think the movie Total Recall was out there twice, probably within the last 10 years or so? One with old Arnold (Schwarzenegger) the latest one... Total Recall, that is what we need to do; look it up in the dictionary: letter of recall, you are calling your members home, and when you do that, you stop any of their transactions dead in the water. And then all you have to do is file a competing plan that competes with the DIP's plan, and you as the sole creditor have the superior claim in the process so your plan is the one that is going to have to be honored. Because they are in violation of the contract, right now. All those contracts were supposed to be terminated at the age of 25 or at the age of 21. Understand the banking laws that are in the Bible. Because all of this stuff coincides right with what the Bible says. Most people just cannot see it, because they cannot even see that that name was given to you by your parents, it was not given to you by the state, and if it is your name, you can write it however you want; all caps, small, big then caps, inside out, I don't care, it is your name, however you want to claim it, butt they cannot take your identity name and assign it to a fictional surety slave. Because a slave does not have a written name, it is that damn simple, and you can rebut that in any court case, and if need be you can file charges against them for violating | |
| title 11, by using title 15 usc chapter 1 and 2 to where they are now restricting your right of free trade. When these guys file their B410s into the court, they are coming in as basically a fictional creditor. And basically it says... OK? At the very last paragraph on there: "The US trustee and creditors may question a debtor under oath at the section 341 meeting concerning the debtors' acts, conduct, property, and administration of the case". See, all these people that have been going into mortgage foreclosures, you have been going into a state court in BK. And you allowed them to process it as if it were not a BK case, but it is a BK case. This can only be heard by the BK court in your federal district. You have been going to the wrong court! Your taxes: they cannot take you into a federal or state court unless it is in bankruptcy! Because all the taxes are against your surety who is being held in BK. He is not bankrupt, but he is being held by the DIP, the bankrupt DIPs out here, under bondages. And all those credits are really owed back to you. So, if you did the letter to the trustee, you need to turn around and modify it to make it a letter of total recall, recalling your sureties back to you, and you have the executive law enforcement authority out here as a bounty hunter to bring your sureties home back into the republic banking system; remove them from the bankrupt commercial jurisdiction and put them into the republic banking jurisdiction. And this is an act of law in the process, when you file your competing plan to the USC debtors in possession. USC stands for US Corporation. It's their laws, their plan of attack, that is what their code is, it is their corporate--the bankrupt united states corporation's laws, they are not yours. And our remedies are written into them when you see how they had to put the relief for us in their codes. But our relief is very small, it may be only a paragraph or two. But their operating laws may be hundreds of pages. That is why I get a kick out of all these people that file 100-page court documents. What the shit did you just say? Not a damn thing. If you cannot put down in 2-3 pages what needs to be said, you are just rambling and basically the court will not hear a damn thing that you have to say because you do not even belong in that court, you are an idiot. And basically the letters for a debtor in possession is DIP: they are DIP-shits! They are the SHIT that's out here. And that is all they are worth, is basically the SHIT. But you send this letter of recall along with your copy of your CoLB, pretty much the same package as what I posted up there for going to the US trustee, but your letter has to be written as a letter of total recall and then an act of law as your creditors competing plan against the DIP's plan. And you are the sole creditor in the process. And you are an unsecured creditor, you are not a secured party creditor. A SPC is one who has collateral. They have taken your collateral away from you, either by that cert. of title, by that CoLB, by that honorable discharge cert., by that parole cert. that people get when they get out of prison and they get a parole, they have a parole cert. Then there is a perf. and a pay. bond under that too! You basically put the charges on because they transferred so many credits into that parole payment bond, as the collateral for their perf. bonds and the perf. bond is supposed to be there to pay the parole fees that are being charged. Same thing with income taxes, basically you have the SS card, and I told you in the call that I posted up, I did a 20 minute audio and posted it up there. At least it is on we the people site, and I said that the DL or the state ID number or the passport 9-digit number is a bank routing number. The DL and the state ID numbers are basically issued by the Department of Transportation, to transmit your funds from your social security account, or from your CoLB account when it was all held under the CoLB, now it is all being held under the SS account. There is another number that is basically issued by the hospital, by your birthing hospital, and that is your date of birth. In my case, 03-02-1949. It is an 8-digit hospital transmitting because they transmitted you out of the hospital or routed you out of the hospital under that date of birth. They routed you in and routed you out, and you go into the hospital or into the va hospital, they ask you for your last 4 digits of your ssn, the other number that they ask (they don't ask for your DL or passport number): what is your DOB? That is what they use as the transmitting number when they put their claim in using the B410 and the SF30 claim in. And the only way you are going to be able to get any understanding of this is to get off your ass and start putting | |
| this paperwork in. I have been to every one of these offices, I have talked to them numerous times; they basically listened to me and they knew that I was damn close, but they were not going to tell me everything that I was missing; now I understand what I was missing, because I kept at it. And I am giving you this information, now you guys just have to get off your as s and make it work. It is all up to you. Nobody else can do it, you have to know how to start loving yourself; not that you are out here trying to get something for nothing, no that is not the deal; this was yours to begin with; you had better start claiming it; your forefathers left it to you, now what are you going to do with it? You going to let the corps take it away from you and then cry bloody murder? (makes crying sounds) Just like basically the Hebrews did after old joseph (coat of many colors) got them being indentured servants to the Egyptians, and then the Hebrews praised him up one side and down the other, he was a total shit-head. He got revenge on all his brothers and all his family for getting sold into slavery which really was not all that much for him because he was a conniving shithead and became the first Pharaoh of Egypt. ** | |
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| But people know everything there is about the Bible and basically there you cannot tell them anything different. And everything that I have posted up here is all documented right in the laws and basically the just laws and also when I rebut something about the unjust laws that they do not have jurisdiction over us. OK. You have a question? Unmute yourself and ask it, | |
| So Patrick if our package went out say yesterday and the us trustee is.... | |
| you are going to have to do another one as a letter of total recall land send it into the BK court. mine was received Thursday, I will have to do another package and send it into the BK court as a competing plan. OK? | |
| Now we modify those GSA forms to note the BK court as the DIP, correct? | |
| Well, yeah you have to put them down as the BK court we have determined that they are the ones that are really holding all of our assets, and the SSA is nothing more than the paymaster, that is all that they are. You put your claim in through the SSA, they go up to the BK court, get the auth. to release the funds, then the funds come down to the SSA, and they come out to you. | |
| Ok, so there is no mention of the SS on the new... You would still put them down, list them in the process because it is being held in their name in the process, they are an agent for the bankrupt united states corporation, all capitalized, the USC. | |
| Is this going only to the BK court or are you going to CC the us trustee? | |
| You are going to notify the US trustee that you have filed your plan into the court. Yeah, read what I posted up there about the chapter 11 DIP. And basically I posted a couple documents up there about chapter 11, title 11 chapter 11 bankruptcy, and it is all in there. But you can basically go in and look up and do a search yourself on the internet, search for debtors in possession. And read what it says, and they all talk about this chapter 11. Now, if you cannot find a court case or if they do not want to give you one, you take them into an involuntary BK, chapter 7, then if they are holding your sureties, they are going to have to convert to a chapter 11 BK, and they have to come up with a written disclosure statement and a plan of reorganization to be filed with that court, and then the us trustee would be overseeing that reorganization, that DIP, and then you come in with your competing plan of saying "hey, I want total liquidation, I am going to be like Dorothy in the wizard of Oz, 'oh, you liquidated her!'". Throw a bucket of water on the court. The wicked witch of the west or east or whichever one she was. And that is really the BK court. It is sort of real funny in my case because basically in the southern district of Iowa we have got 2 female judges in there in the BK court, and they are witches. Anybody else? | |
| Pat, I am looking at my letter which I have edited to go to the SS; I want to know do I do... | |
| You do not send anything into the SS, it all goes into the BK court. You can notify the us trustee, but you have to do a letter of total recall and an act of law as a creditor's competing plan and file it into the BK court against the debtors in possession. You need to read the documents that i just posted up there the last couple days. | |
| Caller just got a yahoo account, trying to get to the actual page to join. | |
| Patrick: well basically go into the files section. Are you in touch with the skype group? (No.) Well there was a welcome aboard message to join the skype group, you might want to get into that. And then basically some of these other people can help you get the link or whatever you need to--to get into those files. | |
| Looking at the B410 form, that is not going to change at all, still doing liquidation, and DIP. | |
| Yes, but you might in your write-ups of the reason why, you might change that slightly that you are coming in under your competing plan or the total liquidation as a letter of total recall. And then, look up in the dictionary what it says about letter of recall; real simple. You are calling your people back home--your sureties--you are going to bring them back home; you are the bounty hunter and you are demanding that they be brought back to you. | |
| Patrick, when we do this letter of total recall, still notice the three trustees of the state? | |
| I would place a notification onto them I also put up on the site there ray sent this link to me but it came from copper stills out of Arkansas about going in and getting a passport filing it in but basically sending it in to the US SoS department using the DS11 passport application, and shows you how to fill it out and submit it in. I would also think that you can possibly turn around and modify that DS11 and say you want a state republic passport, and send it to your secretary of YOUR state in the republic. Tell them to issue you a passport. The only thing that the national government basically had total jurisdiction over was basically the coinage of money. They did not have jurisdiction over any other document, the states all controlled those other for their state citizens. So why would you want to go to the national government when you are supposed to be able to get a state passport from your birthing state. | |
| Caller was born in FL, lives in MI; would he have to go back to FL to get Passport or still to MI? | |
| You are a Floridian. You go back to your birthing state, your republic state that you were born in. That is the state that has initial jurisdiction over you. OK? Just like Davy Crockett; just because he moved to Texas he did not become a Texan; he was still a Kentuckian. Jesus just basically just because he was living in Jerusalem, he was not a Jerusalem, he was a Nazarene. Shit, all this stuff is in the Bible. Follow the path of Jesus and you will see that basically all this stuff will be able to get you out of the system. Your seal is nothing more than your red thumbprint. I did not say finger. Which hand do you sign with? Use that thumbprint. But make it red. OK? It is only $2-3 to get a red inkpad. | |
| Caller: the next-to-last paragraph of your exec. letter to us trustee it talks about all those not listed national and state of and your letter says Iowa. Now should that be birth state because I do not live in my birth state. | |
| Well, whatever contracts you have. Any other contracts that basically they have a claim, and I put down that I am here in the state of Iowa that most of my contracts are here in the state of Iowa but I have a marriage cert. in the state of NY, and a couple other sureties out there ** | |
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| The secret service knows every account that you ever had in your lifetime, every account that your surety signed up for, you just make a blanket statement that basically you surrender those when they are demanded, if you have them, if not you will give them a letter or an authorization to go and pull those down. They will want you to sign a release for each one of those accounts. | |
| Paragraph just ahead of that it says "trustee is to deliver to me banking passport, ID card and so on" that would be the birth state that I reference in that paragraph. | |
| No, passport you could have got in this other state. You could have got a passport while up in a different state, you got the DL in the state that you are living in. You may or may not have got a DL in your birthing state, you may have moved out before you turned 14 and got a learner's permit. | |
| One other thing: you referenced your DD214, I do not have such a thing... | |
| Did you sign up with selective service? (Yes) Then you need to put a notice in there about your Selective Service number because that was a military transfer of credits over there even though they were held as a payment bond and the military DoD was using those payment bond credits as collateral. how do you thing they have been fighting these damn wars, bombs, aircraft carriers, submarines... they have been using the military, the selective service credits that were transferred into the selective service account as collateral. | |
| I did put that in there but I just wanted to double-check with you that I was doing that correctly, my understanding was that is what it should be because the selective service letter says by registering I remain eligible for several programs like DL,... so it is an important number ** | |
| They never tell you what the true meaning of that DL is. It is just a bank routing number, that is all it is, for commercial commerce. | |
| So since a selective service number at least in some ways connected with the DL would the Selective Service number be a routing number as well? | |
| No it is normally an 11-digit number so it is a credit acco8unt number, it has credits that were brought out from the national treasury, and see you were supposed to claim those Selective Service credits back at the age of 25. The military--you were defending the country by putting your surety out there, allowing him to supply military items for a 7-year period. If you would have gone in, basically they would have--all of your uniforms, your basic training, all your meals and everything, would have been paid out of that military selective service performance bond. Think about these things, they are very simple when you understand the process. How did they get paid? Where did the money come from? Our slave, our surety out there, in bondage. He was working his ass off for you. And all of his labor is owed back to you. | |
| Earlier when you were saying you posted something on the site, this is my first time on your call... | |
| No I am not going to tell you; who did you get this phone number from? (good friend) you go to that friend and you tell him "where is this website at?" | |
| Patrick, if the trustee got a copy of our BC and we are out of BCs and it takes 3 weeks to get them... | |
| You can put a notification into this letter of recall into this BK court and say that you have given an original copy over to the US trustee and after you send this letter into the BK court this competing plan and letter of total recall you should also send a copy into the us trustee either by mail or by fax and also notify him that he is to also notify the SS inspector who is located in that same area that he is. I will post a copy of a template of my letter of recall up in the next day or so after I get it cleaned up. OK? But if anybody has any court actions, anything involving a court, send it into the BK court. EVERYTHING. Because it is all against your surety that is being held by that BK court. And you are the creditor, so send it into the debtors in possession and have the US trustee process it along with the SS person to release the funds and make the payment. We were given a promise, and we were given a certificate over these accounts, over our sureties. So we are an unsecured creditor, but we are the only living creditor in the process, therefore we have the highest jurisdiction as a creditor in the process of coming in against these debtors in possession. It is that simple. You are not violating any law, you are invoking the laws, you are basically coming in and now cancelling the national debt that is owed to us. So you are upholding the law. I got a note on skype from one of the guys, scared to death; oh well, you better be scared to death of BK. I said BULLSHIT, I said that is the only place we can go, and we are the creditor in there, and as the creditor basically you cannot screw up! The creditor is always the one that is right! No matter what! Just like the owner, the master. The master can do no wrong. The servants can, and basically they have been doing a bunch of wrong out here because you have been letting them get away with it because you did not know who you were. | |
| Get transcripts and group details on the yahoo group called WeThePeople_Shareholders. | |
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| Audios screwed up on econcurrent.com/devine/calls page. When tom comes back I will have him check that out and find out what is going on. | |
| All the state IG and the AG and the IG for the SSA and the IG for the Treasury department, the IG for the department of commerce--all these different, I forget how many different IGs there were, I saw it on one document out there... every one of these IGs and AGs has a deal about identity theft! Because they are mixing the living up with the surety! And like I said, the surety is a slave, and he cannot have a written name because he is not a freed man right now. So he can only have a number. And your name belongs to you, so if anybody else is putting your name on a document, basically they are stealing your ID and trying to put it against the surety, and that is ID theft. It's very simple. And that is one of the key things in any court action: you have to do that rebuttal of identity theft. Get a traffic ticket: who is supposed to sign that? The surety. Put down your SS number! Put the dashes in, you gave them a first name, middle name, and last name. Say that is the name of basically the surety that is basically the culprit! But you can get a cop on id theft, on that solicitation ticket. OK? Call it a night, I am going to stop the audio, and you guys if you want to continue talking you can. Good night. | |