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Tom: We had the 3 day notice of inverse condemnation, we have the inverse condemnation 2 paper, which is the reworking a bit, and we have the inverse condemnation chapter 8 which is from the law firm, and that�s a PDF. And these give the background to what he is talking about, and he gave us a web page: eminent domain versus inverse condemnation, what�s the difference? And he also did have the Securities Act of 1933 which is long but we need to read it, it has section 11 which has set up our collateral trust certificates. The issue to me seemed to be really having the responsibility for proving the claim that our property had been taken improperly in violation of the 5th amendment. And the question is: Can we pursue this within BK, and my feeling is yes, it can be pursued outside of BK, but still it does not change our status that we are the ultimate creditor and they are the debtor and they have been hiding the assets like crazy, which would make them I think subject to the judgment of the trustee just saying �you are just a bunch of crooks�, but then if you read that lawyers� paper on inverse condemnation, they talk about a statute of limitations of when you can do this, but all the examples they gave dealt with actual physical property, not with our property which is the second category, the first category is real property and then the second category is�** intellectual and economic property.
Patrick�s inverse condemnation 2, it looks like it may need a number of us at one time making this claim to make it stick, which would make sense� ** 
So Doug, that link you put up, does any of it have to do with this inverse condemnation / eminent domain problem in BK?
Doug: No, that�s just part of the fraud, Tom; he explains the fraud though very, very thoroughly.
Tom: Does he do it in terms of the Securities Act like Patrick does?
Doug: He alludes to that, yeah.
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Tom: We have a lot of reading to do but we need to read it. I mean this is how Patrick can come up with these things: he has read so much that all of a sudden he will be working on a problem and he will remember a particular angle that he saw in a previous document� ** That is why I ask the question how does it relate so that we know how to bring it in and then make it useful for ourselves.
Anybody else have any ideas about this when they read it over?
You note that in this I think it�s the 3 day notice of inverse condemnation, that yes he is still referring to the BK case. So I think that probably means we can still tie the two together, and what this does is the BK case it reminds the BK court and trustee that we have an enforcement tool; ** they better get on it or (else) they will be part of the people causing the problem. So it is possible he may proceed on this, i.e. we will do the eminent domain without the BK; I don�t think so, but that may be where we are going.
Caller: But if you have already filed the BK, would it be necessary to revert that?
Tom: I doubt it. In fact, with his 3 day notice, he is tying the two together. So I think yes we will still be connected to the BK. What that does is it sets the judicial stage for this.
So did anybody make any notes they wanted to talk about? Patrick wants us to read the documents and at least try to get our understanding of it and not just wait for him to explain it. So I have tried to dig into it myself, and my one omission this time is that I did not get into the Securities Act because I had to solve printer problems.
Caller: I am in the same boat as you, Tom; I did not get into the Securities Act either but I read the other stuff.
Tom: It seems pretty straightforward but I am having trouble with this fact that the responsibility for proving the improper taking is ours; it could be we have already done that with what we have provided to the BK court.
Caller: You are the accuser and that is your duty though. (Yes).
Caller: Well I am thinking, if we have to prove that these accounts are out there and they are held that way and as the accuser we can provide proof, we can provide proof through the DTCC website; it shows the existence of these accounts, it does not give dollar figures.
Tom: Well, wouldn�t the Securities Act section 11 which goes into how these accounts were set up be an essential component of that too?
Caller: Yeah, but we cannot prove that any accounts HAVE been set up.
Caller: Has the gentleman found under the SEC under EDGAR search how you can find your name in many, many, many accounts? Derived under your name from medicine to bookstores to research to weapons to hospitals and finance companies and banks and all kinds of things, and they are all are usually established in Delaware, and they will show you when they were established (the companies), what their investment and balance sheet is, how many years they have been� they float as penny stocks, some are 9c, 11c, my goodness; I found that back in 2004-5 I guess and I have tried to figure out how all of that ties together; I am certain it has to do with exactly what we are doing now because that�s the first thing that came to my mind when we started talking about the eminent domain and how it has been **
Tom: ** to do is to prove the BC is a collateral trust certificate.
Caller: Could you post how to do that EDGAR search onto the Skype group so we can all check it out?
Patrick: I wouldn�t do it.  OK? This is Patrick, I am on the line now. OK? You guys get tied up in going off and checking frivolous bullshit out here when you don�t concentrate on what you need to concentrate on: understanding how we got to this point, not worrying about all these little tidbits out here that they have been using against us, how they have been making profits off of us; you have to understand the basic contract of what got you where you are, and then understand how to get out of the process with your assets; take them away from them. The Secret Service under the Enterprise Financial Management System (EFMS), when we get this processed right, they will be able to go in and bring all those accounts up and settle them. You do not need to worry about it; it is already in the records. You need to understand how we got here, under the statutes at large, the Securities Act of 1933, when they set up this collateral trust certificate, the CoLB, DD214, they started coming out with new collateral trust certificates constantly: cert. of title to house/vehicle; they did not have those in the 1930s and 40s; they started bringing those into place in the 1950s. OK? And basically one of the key things out here is that we the people are the public government. We are not the private; you need to stop claiming that you are the private; you are the public government. And see, then when you understand about what it says about eminent domain, the public can come in and file an eminent domain against the private, against the corporations. They took our assets under this cert. of title, and they tried to do an inverse eminent domain (meant �inverse condemnation�?) claiming that they were the public government, and taking our private assets away from us; they never properly�in some of the documents I put up there the last couple of days, especially about this inverse condemnation. See, under eminent domain, they use condemnation; they are condemning the property so that they can claim it into theirs, but they are coming in and they are putting it into their private assets, they are claiming to be the public government and they are not, they are a corporate government, they are really a private government, so they are coming in really in the private and taking our public assets away from us, our public inheritance, all of our public entitlements that we have a right to, since we are the real public government in this country, so they under these fraudulent contracts�and when you read section 11 of that Securities Act of 1933, you will see it is addressed there, and you can sue these guys out because they never gave full disclosure of the contract and basically what they are doing, but look it up in Ballantine�s dictionary: inverse condemnation; there is only 2 places in there to where it has inverse. And basically you won�t find it in most of the other law dictionaries out here about �inverse�; you would think that that word would be in most of the dictionaries: �inversionary�; not there! Why? Because this is what is going on, and people have won cases out here to where the government has tried to come in and do an eminent domain claim and the people turn around and file an inverse condemnation. Inverse condemnation is one of the oldest acts of law and it goes all the way back to Cain and Abel. Basically what happened with Adam and Eve? They got thrown out of the Garden of Eden, they got condemned; what did Cain do? I am not my brother�s keeper; he did an inverse condemnation. Moses, basically did an inverse condemnation against the pharaohs under their court system that where the pharaohs were trying to claim right of eminent domain over all the peoples� assets. Daniel, same thing; Jesus, hell that is an easy one right there to see; what did he do? He turned the tables; he inversed the action against them, and that is what everybody needs to understand is basically this inverse condemnation. All of these courts out here are private courts. If they were public courts, why would they be charging you a fee? It is only a private court that has to charge you a fee. They don�t have to but basically they do, and you go along with them. Please read the documents about this inverse condemnation. We have the power to reclaim our entitlements and everything under right of eminent domain, amendment 5 of the constitution. See, when they throw somebody in jail on these commercial charges, they are doing an eminent domain claim against you; they are condemning you; you do an inverse condemnation; a cross-action or a counter-action filing. We still use the SF forms, we still use the BK form, B410, as we are the creditor. You can do an inverse condemnation against the Secretary of State and the AG of the state against your cert. of title to the property and against your cert. of title to the vehicle; whatever. And then you can turn around and use their own private codes out here, United States Corporation�USC Corporation�Codes, they are just private corporation banking codes. We can use their own codes against them, especially Title 15 Section 1 & 2, to where they are restraining our right of free trade and they have a monopoly over the free trade here in this country, and it is by the bankers�these private bankers, of which the biggest controlling one is the BK court system. It was never authorized by the Constitution; it is a total fraud; it is a private banking�hell, WalMart could have set this private court system up. But that is what you need to look at; anybody that is out here like even on parole, you do an inverse condemnation of that. There is lawyers out here, but basically in most cases they are looking at it as a land deal, but when you look under inverse condemnation, it can include securities! And that is primarily what we all have is these securities but we are not getting very much security out of them. The bankers and the courts and the private corporations, they are getting all of the security out of it, because the people do not know how to cash these things out, and you are not going to be able to understand how to cash them out if you are over running around looking at every other damn thing out there: �how much are they using here, how much are they using there?� If you are worried about all of that, you will never understand the core of the problem. I posted a ZIP file up there with a bunch of different web pages addressing this, and there was a couple PDF files there that also were going over this understanding of condemnation. You are GOD, you can condemn them. When we have our spirit of understanding, and that is what you need to get is your spirit of understanding, then you stand in the place of GOD, in YOUR self-government system; IN GOD WE TRUST. OK? So when I brought up the eminent domain out there on Sunday, I was on target with that, but basically then I said �wait a minute, they are doing this, we need to do THIS, the opposite, the inverse�. We inverse their laws against them. That is the only way you are going to be able to win; when you turn the tables on them just like Jesus did in the temple to the bankers; you do the inverse, you do not keep playing their same game, playing in their ballpark. How many football teams, how many basketball teams basically win the game at the end of the timeframe because they do something entirely different than they�ve been doing all game long because the other team knew their game plan. You change, you don�t keep playing their same stupid game, and that is what too many people in the patriot community out here have been doing, and they have been trying to go in and study their codes of law to find out where the answer is at; it is not there. You will never get the true resolve that you are looking for by playing their game; you have to play YOUR game, and your game is going to be the opposite of their game. This is covered by natural and constitutional laws, not their corporate banking laws. Don�t be afraid to send this shit out to the Secret Service, to the FBI, to the media; start making them aware of what the hell is really going on here. They are all affected too! When the military over in France woke up to the understanding that they were being fucked over by the monarchy just as much as the rest of the people, then the military joined the people in an uprising against the monarchy, but they did not do a good enough job because the bankers hid within the ranks of the people and then turned around and brought it right back in later on. That is pretty much all I�ve got to say for tonight. OK? Study these documents, read what it says; turn around and basically if you�ve got any court action, you�ve got any parole action, do an inverse condemnation of their actions. And like I said, some of these webpages that I have there also have attorneys on there, and basically you can try and wake these attorneys up that basically this also covers securities: your CoLB, your DD214, cert. of title to house/property/vehicle, your DL, your SS security. Say �hey, you can do this yourself, basically I don�t need to pay you $59 to talk to you; I am giving you the damn information for free; what you do with it now is up to you�. OK, open it up for anybody who wants to talk, Tom.
Tom: What I had missed was that we are the public government and we are taking them into condemnation so that we are still doing it sort of in the form of�with this inverse condemnation so we are approaching them in their private courts, but we need to turn the tables on them.
Patrick: We can take them into an article 3 court and basically turn the table on these court judges out here and bring them into the constitutional court system. OK? But, any time that these public courts are trying to do a condemnation of you, just like what I did in court, when they were going to try and charge me with contempt of court, I said �yeah, you can go ahead and charge me with contempt of court, but I�m just going to purge myself and you are not going to have any power over me anyway�, because they are just a public court (meant to say private court), like WalMart; they have no real jurisdiction; it is like a bank turns around and tries to put a claim of $25 overdraft for one of your checks that you write, when they are sitting with the FDIC insurance there to protect that overdraft! And see, that is what most people do not understand; they do not understand the core operating system because they are all out here worrying about every other thing under the sun that has no real direct effect upon how they are going to get resolve. And like I said, when you play with their game rules, you are going to get fucked. They are still going to make money off of you even if they just dismiss the case. That is what people don�t understand. They ain�t going to lose! They ain�t going to make quite as much money off of you but basically they will still make money off of you, because you did not know how to shut the whole thing down.
Caller: Nobody wants to ask him any questions (laughs), that�s good.
Caller: You mentioned the court case, so we lose in court, they say that we owe this money; we can do the inverse condemnation on them?
Patrick: Right!
Caller: How would we go about that, just do the 3 day notice?
Patrick: Read the documents. All you are doing is basically doing a cross-action but you make the notification as an inverse condemnation of their actions; you condemn them. And only the living can condemn a fiction. 
Caller: So, the court�s over; we have to communicate in writing, we have to communicate this to them: just a 3 day notice or do we have to do a fancy filing or�?
Patrick: However you want to do it; you are the creator. OK? Create, damn it! 
Caller: Cool, we would probably notice the AG of the state as well.
Patrick: The AG like for your state certificates of title that basically are being held under this fraudulent eminent domain claim that they have. Read what I have up there about this action. OK? What it says. OK? �An inverse condemnation is initiated by the public property owners when the government, especially a private unconstitutional government enacts a taking without following the eminent domain procedures. They did it in a form of eminent domain under that Securities Act of 1933, and it was all done in fraud, for the benefits of the private unconstitutional United States governmental corporation. And then everybody gets all hyped-up about trying to vote in an unconstitutional president or representative! I mean, come on; give me a damn break! The only 2 choices we have in this country to put up for president are Hillary and Trump? How damn stupid can people in this country be? Wouldn�t trust either one of them! And basically under servitus� SERVITUS�. OK? That is a slave, or an easement, and see they placed an easement against our property, our inheritance, our public inheritance and our public entitlements because for our lifetime we were supposed to be getting a share of the entitlements from all the oil profits and everything else that were being brought up out of the ground of this country. And there cannot be an easement upon an existing easement. That is a violation of the law right there; you have by your natural birthing, you were born first, then the government� so you had your existing easement out here FIRST, and then the government turned around and tried to place a secondary easement against your assets, you rights, and try and take them away from you. That is what you are going to condemn under the inverse condemnation. You were born a free person; you were not born a slave. You have a written name, you don�t have a number. But yet they try and throw you into jail and MAKE you a number, a slave, a surety for their benefit. If the people in this country ever woke up about this inverse condemnation, I really pity all these judges and all these attorneys and everything out there that have been screwing over the people, because revenge is mine, says the lord, and the revenge that basically could be perpetrated on them could be very deadly. And they will not find any protection in the real courts when the people get into power, if they do decide to get back into power. I sent this latest document, this inverse condemnation number 2, off to about eight different people: Secret Service, US Marshals, Chief Judge, AG, SoS, BK court judge, US Trustee, Sheriff. I will let them know where the hell I stand; try and take it as a threat; take me to court; that is the last place they want me into is any court action, because I know how to defeat their courts now. About the only thing they could do to me is basically knock me out of the saddle and make sure I don�t stand back up. OK, anybody else got any questions? *6 to unmute yourself; if you cannot speak then hang up and call back in, hopefully you will be unmuted at that point in time and then you can ask your questions.
Yeah, if you�ve got children in the background, try to go outside or get into the bathroom and close the door.
Tom: So you sent this inverse condemnation out to 8 people; was it a particular document or just a general announcement?
Patrick: just this writeup document that I posted up there today. I sent the one out yesterday that I posted up with my name and address on it yesterday to about 8 different people there too. I also today included the Supreme Court judge for my circuit.
Tom: So it is a general announcement that there is more coming?
Patrick: Yeah, and that basically hopefully more people start waking up to this fact about the fraud that basically this private corporation government, unconstitutional government, is perpetrating upon the people. We are the government, they are not, and they were only supposed to be doing certain things, not all this other garbage that they are doing to control the people.
Caller: What you suggest or approve that we send it to the General Counsel as well because this region I am in SC it is region 3 in the SSA.
Patrick: I would send it in to the SS IG, to the US Treasury IG, to the Justice Department IG; there are something like 26 different IGs out here; department of commerce IG; also, your circuit court, and basically claim the fraud that basically is being done by this private BK court out here in the process. See, when you have to pay for a court filing, you are paying a private corporation; if this was the public de jure court, constitutional courts, you would not be paying that except maybe a $5, $10 processing fee that was laid out in the constitution in the first statutes of the constitution. But none of this $400 or $5,000 or whatever filing fees that they try to get you to pay. 
Caller: Can you do an inverse conversion on any debt that you have acquired?
Patrick: You can turn around and you do the SF30, the 1414, 1415, and basically tell them that you will come in and basically take this in as an action against them in any court of law. You�ve got a contract with them and they are in breach of contract. Let them know that basically you are the owner of that contract and that basically they are holding the credits under your surety�s name, the account number, and that you are ordering the setoff, you are modifying the contract per that SF30. You can put your inverse condemnation statement right there in that SF30 form. Because they put an easement against so much of your credits; they are in violation of the law, you are not.
Caller: Through the easement, they are really defrauding you, stealing from you.
Patrick: I still did not quite understand you?
Caller: In other words you said they put an easement against your account, I am saying that is like a form of fraud?
Patrick: Yes, it is total fraud; that is the only way that these corporations can operate; they are operating under these fraudulent contracts because they violated Section 11 of the Securities Act. 
Caller: One last question; you made mention about inverse conversion against court cases; how is that done, the same with the SF30?
Patrick: Yes. In the contract modification you can basically address that you are coming in under an inverse condemnation of their contract. You are condemning their contract.
Caller: Inverse condemnation is like what a total liquidation?
Patrick: You need to read the definitions, you need to go into the website and download the latest documents that I posted. OK. Anybody else?
Tom: I guess not, Patrick. We�ve got to wrap our minds around this.
Patrick: Yeah. Now down in Texas, basically one of the web pages that I had there, basically Texas has stuff in their laws about this inverse condemnation. Most of the states DO have something hidden away, but nobody has been looking there.
Tom: So we should look in our state laws.
Patrick: Well basically look and see what you find. And like I said, this is backed up by Jesus, Moses, Daniel, Abraham, all the damn guys that went in and got out of the system; they did an inverse condemnation against these corporate private corporations. Eminent domain has been out there since basically GOD gave the planet earth to Adam. He gave it from private man or private GOD to public man, as an eminent domain, right of eminent domain over the earth. You can blow these fraudulent judges and everything out of the damn court system if you understand this, and then you turn around and use their own laws against them for Title 15, Section 1 & 2, because the courts are the ones that are operating a monopoly. Anybody else? OK, call it a night, Tom.
Caller: If I am from another state and I live in NJ, would I have to send everything back to the credit state?
PatricK: Where is your contract at? (IL) What type of contract? (Contract with the vital statistics and the SS). No; all of your credits out of your inheritance have been transferred into the SS account after 160 or 180 days, now you fall in under that BK court jurisdiction that you are in. (In IL?) No, in the state you are living in! If you moved to another state and you�ve been there for 6 years, you are now operating under the BK court in that state. (Well I�ve moved to CA for like 4 years and I got a state ID�) I said 160 days so after 160 days (it is really 180 days) that you are living in that new state, you are under the jurisdiction of that BK court. Your SS account is attached to that BK court. OK?
Caller: I have just been doing a lot of moving, I moved from IL to CA to NJ and I am currently in NJ been here about a month and a half, I don�t have a NJ ID, I have a CA ID, I am far from CA and my IL ID expired about 5 years ago.
Patrick: Like I said, the Secret Service has access to all of your accounts that you have operated in this whole country; they know where all of these court-assigned banking contracts/accounts are located.
Caller: So do I have to get a NJ�
Patrick: No, you just need to go in and file this into the District court that you are in for the last 180 days. 
Tom: Wherever he was last for 180 days, that is where he should file. (All the way in CA?) That is where you were 180 days.
Patrick: Have you been in NJ for 180 days?
Caller: Just about yes, but I don�t have anything connected here besides a job.
Tom: No, you said you were there for 6 weeks not 6 months.
Patrick: If you have roughly 180 days then you go to the district that you�re IN. OK? And in most cases by the time it gets around to your court case anyway, it will be 180 days or whatever. But these district courts and everything, they are all tied together. So you file in the one that you are living in.
Caller: So it is not necessary to send anything back to IL?
Patrick: Only if you have a certificate of title to a vehicle or something like that that the SoS is holding there in that fucking state.
Caller: Yes, and that is the thing I have, a brand new car�
Patrick: OK, then you go and you basically do an inverse condemnation of that certificate of title with that SoS and that AG, and say �hey, you either release your easement over my property and give me all the assets that are due to that property or I will turn around and file a case against you�.
Caller: See I had acquired it in Los Angeles and�.
Patrick: I don�t care; I really don�t care about all your little trivial shit; you�ve got to understand what you are doing! You know where to put it: who is controlling it? But the CoLB, the DD214, the SS account: those are nationwide. Anybody else? OK, Tom, call it a night. Good night.