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Tom: However, I am a little confused on the use of private and public; it looks like we are both private and public but on the different sides, maybe I am just reading this wrong, I�m sure he will explain it, and I am not saying exactly what the witnesses are that have to go into the witness protection are doing. But first does anybody have any comment about the coupon? Do they notice anything particular about the coupon? Do you recognize the postal number on the very first line as a coupon? That�s the number we were referring to in the last  call as the number in his home run case that he refers to this document, it�s that express mail  number that he used, so the two numbers that he had was his own file assigned number for the case itself plus the number of the coupon, his own generated coupon that he included in his package. That part seems pretty clear to me and especially for those who don�t have DD214s who will be submitting CoLBs instead, it seems to be very clear what you change.

So does anyone care to comment on the other document, the all American home run part 2?
Caller: I think the last revision he put a little more detail in there between public and private; I already went through it and went line by line and re-did it, we just use public and private a lot more for the most part.
Tom: Well I get that the American public credit trust is the original US Treasury.
Patrick: OK, this is Patrick, I am on the line now. OK, does anybody on here have any questions to start off with?
Tom: Well I am basically confused by the various uses of public and private, I get that the American public credit trust is the original US treasury.
Patrick: OK, let me explain it to you very simply. OK? The American Republic�OK? The government was set up as  public government for the people; the people are the public per the constitution. The treasury was a public treasury for the people. Now, what they have done: they have taken us into a�and we were American citizens�and that was proven in 1868 by the Expatriation Act, it said �American Citizens�; it did not say �United States Citizens�. OK? Now, the corporation�1871 United States Corporation�started setting up these surety contracts, collateral trust certificate contracts�securities�and they made them individuals�securities�in the private. So you are a private citizen if you are a US citizen. You are not a public citizen: your DL, your cert. of title to your vehicle/house, your DD214, your CoLB; they are all private securities. They are not public securities, they are private. Now, out on the battlefield: you go out on the battlefield as a private�individual, one individual out on the battlefield. Everybody can shoot at you. But if you go out as a public, you are one of the battalion�hundred million battalion out onto the battlefield; you can move all around, they can�t find you. And it really has more to do with your assets than you as an individual�they cannot find your assets if it�s in a public treasury, but they can attack one that�s an individual security out there all they want; that�s the difference between public and private. Now do you have any questions?
Tom: Oh, I get it.
Patrick: You can have your own private property in the private to where you don�t register it with the state, but once you have registered it with the state, you have now opened it up for direct attack. If the state don�t know you�ve got it, that�s it. They can�t attack it. But if you give them jurisdiction in the process, they can attack you. And all of this stuff, all of our united states citizen private property is being funneled through the private court system known as the BK court system. They are the overseers of all of these securities. We have to stand as one of the we the people protected by the article 4 of the constitution. We are an official, we are the owner, we are the creditor we are the sovereignty. If you read this all-american home run part 2 document that I have put out. The definition in the united states, the sovereignty resides in the body of the people. That is per the dictionary definition. Full faith and credit is the key supreme power of the sovereignty. Only the sovereignty can issue the full faith and credit. Therefore, they are the ones that control the purse string. And that is what article 4 of the constitution does. Article 1, 2, and 3 are just employees, servants, public servants. The whole problem with this country is that you cannot have dual citizenship. The dual citizenship that I�m talking about is not that you have a dual citizenship from Israel or Afghanistan and the United States at the same time�that was illegal anyway, but you have an American citizenship and then you have this united states corporate citizenship as a debtor; one is a creditor, one is a debtor; you cannot be both. That is where it all comes down to, at the age of 25 you were not supposed to be a debtor any longer. And you could draw against the American treasury out there if you needed the funds: The public treasury. But right now we have all this debt and the private debt that we have is owed back to the public treasury, that is why we have to do an eminent domain and transfer the items back. Everybody is all upset about Hillary; so what? She has got a private foundation that is operating in the commercial world, she cannot have that if she becomes president. Even Bill cannot have it. So basically two people can file a treasonous charge of eminent domain against them and have all of those public united states citizenship security debt transferred back to the American treasury�public treasury. But they would probably balk at it and basically try and drag it through the courts and everything else, but basically you could come in under the witness protection program; no employee is supposed to be out there having dual citizenship as a creditor and a debtor at the same time. That is what most people don�t understand�they never understood the constitution to begin with; all these guys that are running around the country trying to set up grand juries and all of that; you cannot be on a grand jury if you have one foot as an American citizen and one foot as a united states debtor citizen; you can�t even sit on a jury in the process. And these guys that are claiming to be government officials can�t do it either. Try and read this document, it is not that hard to understand in the process: public and private. The court case that I filed basically tried to explain that about the public and the private. The difference between an American citizen and a united states contract citizen, as a surety debtor. And all that debt is a national private debt that is owed back to the public treasury. OK. Now, any questions?
Tom: So actually this correct use of public and private is sort of the opposite of the way most people look at it.
Patrick: Right! Because they don�t understand that there is really two privates. One is a private united states contracted citizen under surety contracts and then the other one is basically you are the private owner of your tractor or your car that you did not register with the state. You own your coffee table, that�s private property: you never licensed it to the state. But the DL that you contracted with the state, that�s also private property, but it�s private property along with the contractor, the state. But it�s not a public, nobody else can use that DL so it�s not public, it�s private. You are the only one that can use it. You want your full rights per the bill of rights? You have to stand as an article 4 American citizen in the public. Article 4 does not have private capability. It says �we the people�, it doesn�t say �we the individual private people�. OK. Unmute them and see if there is anyone that wants to ask any questions. My documents got submitted in yesterday for my initial test run on an eminent domain case. If I don�t hear anything tomorrow�in fact I will probably be sending stuff out to some of the senior judges and circuit judges and supreme court and a copy of this all-american home run part 2 into the federal court of claims�us marshals, secret service, whatever. Love to fuck with the employees. Anybody got any questions? 
Caller: First time I am on the line.
Patrick: The first thing you ought to do is listen to the last calls and get into econcurrent.com/devine ; get the files downloaded and also sign up with �wethepeople_shareholders�, it�s a yahoo group; check with the person who recommended you or gave you the link to get you into this call.
Caller: I kind of stumbled upon it online.
Patrick: Well basically try to get into the files and the previous audios. That�s about all I can tell you right now; you don�t have the learning that basically the other people that have been listening to me for I don�t know�weeks or months or  years�out here. 
Caller: So eventually there will be some documents that I need to do to change status and something like that?
Patrick: Yes! You are going to need to learn the latest stuff about eminent domain. **
Tom: When you join yahoo you will get a welcome email, you need to print and save that welcome email. Look at the most recent documents and then listen to the most recent calls which explains those documents. Basically the last 2 or 3 weeks is most of it.
Caller: Patrick, I want to send my DL in and do the eminent domain claim on those assets. Would I just do that at the state level since that is where they are?
Patrick: I would do them all at the federal district level. OK? The movie �Eraser�, there is a couple others out there��Fire� or something it was�. Guy goes into the witness protection program, they can basically take and erase you out of the system and they can give you a new identity and new access debiting cards. That is the US Marshals. Where are the US Marshals located? At the federal courthouse and the BK (bankruptcy) house. They are the accountants, part of the accountants along with the justice department that are in those two federal courthouses. They have all your accounts there�your state accounts. That is why you go to your district that you�re living in because they have all of your state documents there in the BK court system also. 
Caller: So I sent my package out today I have to do a follow-up with the DL and vehicle title.
Patrick: It all depends on how you wrote your document up. If you sent the eminent domain into the chief judge, basically you get the main ones in, see what they come back with, just wait. OK? But follow-up with them so basically they know that you are coming in as an article 4 person, as an American citizen and that you�ve been basically ordering the termination of these US citizenship contracts. OK?
Caller: You think I should inform at the state level�?
Patrick: No you don�t worry about it, take it to federal court, **
I mean I get a kick out of all these people who want to go and get a trial jury at the state level. ** Who are you going to get to sit on the jury? They cannot sit on that jury.** If you are coming in and claiming to be an article 4 American citizen. This goes all the way back to basically Moses� time when they set up the temple. What happened to that one tribe ** They were basically operating as a debtor also. 
Caller: I am remembering when we were studying the stuff on the ecclesiastical courts and I got into the spirit of how you brought the information through and I am understanding as we going in as an article 4 living soul into the article 3 court, we are the ones who are giving the orders and they have to drop their oath because there cannot be BAR cards in there. ** They have to agree with us on the spiritual side to reclaim what�s rightfully ours. **
Patrick: When you do this eminent domain, you come in as the plaintiff, you�re also as the living plaintiff�article 4 living plaintiff�against your US citizen defendant�s securities under contract and basically they are just fictions but you are the owner of those so it is an uncontested eminent domain court filing so it�s really an order to that chief judge to basically�there is no adjudication in this; the judge has no say. He is an employee, he has to follow the orders of the master and you are the master; you just gave him a master order. Now he has to basically process it because, see it�s got to go through that judge because all of the rest of the employees are not going to listen to us. Just like in the parables that Jesus talked about, the master went to the head servant and then the head servant went to the other servants and gave out the orders. And then if the head servant did not do the order properly to where he was trying to do for his benefit and gain and the master found out about it, what happened to that servant? He is the one that got thrown in jail.
Caller: And in some cases his head came off.
Patrick: Yeah.
Caller: As I am studying the documents, should al the standard forms that we are filling out, should that reflect going to the chief justice of the federal district in our area because I have also seen that your 
Patrick: Yes we are going to our federal district, the area that we are living in. OK? Right, because that is where basically that BK court, and that�s a private court, it�s not a constitutional court, it�s a private banking court for securities.
Caller: Right, and that chief justice can actually rule over all of that.
Patrick: He has jurisdiction over that BK court also.
Caller: And he would be able to bring everything back to the living. **
Patrick: Either sending it back to us or basically when the big one comes down we will have it all deposited to the American public credit trust treasury and then we can draw from it any time we want to as an article 4 American citizen. ** Put it over there in the treasury and then basically we can come in and draw out any time we want to.
Caller: I understand that through the standard forms but I also notice at thee bottom of our eminent domain coupon, at the bottom where it says payment bond account number, we should put our�it looks like we should put our SS number there. **
Patrick: That�s the SS number because everything is really filed under that Private SS account, and see that is what they are attacking primarily is the private SS but all the credits have bene transferred from the CoLB to the SS account.
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Caller: I joined the service in �81.
Patrick: Basically the selective service number was there to begin with because they had to borrow credits to pay for your travel, meals in boot camp, pay for everything because they needed some funds; the DoD doesn�t have any money, the government doesn�t have any money.
Caller: After a certain year I think it was 1978 they used the Social Security number for the account.
Patrick: **
Caller: Well I called them, I called St. Louis for the records, I sent certified copies ** You don�t have a selective service number after 78 or 79 she told me, so it makes sense so I just wanted to pass that on for all the listeners to know that after a certain year�
Patrick: When you signed up at 18 years of age they did not give you a selective service, they just put your SS number?
Caller: Right, according to what she told me when I called St. Louis.
Patrick: Anybody else?
Caller: This is my first time calling in, this is a newer process for me, it has been introduced to me about 10 years ago and I�ve just been able to get around to taking this stuff to free myself and I wanted to know first of all I had a foreclosure the house was purchased, I am still in the property and I am looking into hopefully getting the deed to the property. And also I parked my car so that I don�t have any trouble with it so I need to also file that into my private property.
Patrick: You need to basically get in and do an eminent domain and bring that into the public realm. OK? You have a bank account, you have a mortgage or anything like that;  you put an eminent domain claim in against that. OK? So get into we the people all one word underscore shareholders (wethepeople_shareholders) it�s a yahoo group or ** get into econcurrent.com/devine and get in there and listen to the audios ** and these other latest documents that I�ve posted up there. And get in touch with other people on the site, maybe there are some people in your local area there that you can interface with. Anybody else?
Caller: On my BC I only have 10 numbers and that is the red numbers at the bottom
Patrick: The coupon number, yes.
Caller: It would only be 10 numbers?
Patrick: You put down the registration, you are going to send that certified copy in there and if that�s what they say the registration is, use that, and then the coupon down below because see you could get another copy with that coupon number.
Tom: ** I ordered another copy I told them to put the registration number on it. **
Patrick: If you don�t request one for your private records, they are not going to put the registration number on there because see that CoLB can be used to go and get into college and other places and they don�t want those other people to know what your account number is.
Caller: I noticed you had 11 on yours.
Patrick: Yes, that was the system that they tried to get all the states to go to in 1948 but not all the states did�PA, part of MA, and a few others, basically they went with their own numbering system. That was the problem with the damn initial articles of confederation in this country. They could never get 100% agreement between all the damn colonies. And that is why basically the first�the articles of confederation failed because they could not release any funds out of the treasury unless they had 100% agreement, and they never could get all 13 colonies in agreement, that�s why the liberty bell broke�because it was the failed first American banking contract. They had to go back to their table and set up the baseball government. 
Caller: On the CoLB, should it have 2 registrar signatures on it?
Patrick: Mine does: the county register and basically the state registrar.
Caller: Once we have filed the BK, and then you file the eminent domain after that�
Patrick: Cancel out the BK and go strictly with the eminent domain.
Caller: I have already filed the BK.
Patrick: That is what I am saying, get the eminent domain, forget the BK. Do the wipeout and then basically it takes care of, it wipes out that damn BK. Because you are not really bankrupt.
Caller: That is exactly what I was trying to get clear in my mind. **
Patrick: Yes, eminent domain has been�it�s article 4 section 4�invoke the republic! Well if you invoke the RE-public, you are invoking an eminent domain, and then eminent domain is also addressed as one of the powers and rights of the people in the Fifth Amendment. OK, anybody else?
Caller: I remember I gave you a call last week when I sent my case to the BK court here in Chicago, actually a young lady from the BK court called me and she was asking me what case we are filing it under, and so from my studies we file it under HJR192 and PL73-18, that we have a right to claim what is rightfully ours, and she did not have a clue. ** The trustee should know this information, and she did not know what I was talking about, so the next day remember when me and you talked and you uploaded that page to the yahoo group, ** but now we have these new documents to send into the
Patrick: To the federal district court not to the BK court.
Caller: Right, and as I was looking through everything ** I said Yeah, I believe in my spirit, I believe this is going to be it. ** Those ones who have been following you for years� ** The ones who are seasoned to the point that know how to look through the Black�s law and Bouvier�s�. ** I call them roundtables, so I have a roundtable that I set up for people that I communicate with. ** It will all come into understanding in your spirit and when you get it you will say �oh yeah, we are on the right track�.
Patrick: Yeah, you need to have study groups so that you can basically interface and everything; not all of the wording in my documents will apply� ** You need to re=write most of the documents I put up there, but you have to say it in your own words so that you can defend what you are saying, and like In some cases I put up examples primarily for the DD214. OK? You�ve got to convert it into doing it basically for the CoLB, that is what the vast majority of you people have. And then your other documents you would also address them in there, like your mortgage or your cert. of title to your house or your DL; I don�t have a DL, I have a state ID, but that�s the differences. OK? You have to set it up for your own individual situation.
Caller: As we do that, the DD214, CoLB, DL� we have to make sure that we fill out our SF forms to reflect each contract, is that correct?
Patrick: Yes, you put the appropriate SF forms for the documents that you are putting in.
Caller: ** 
Patrick: Yeah.
Caller: OK, got it.
Patrick: OK, anybody else? OK, call it a night, Tom.