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+dbsxw9n,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","This is why internet was declared a human right.  It's not about providing it to everyone, it is to stop governments from silencing communication.  
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+Free communication is the most important of all rights, because the first step in stopping other wrongs is for people to know that they exist.",4167,2016-12-30 18:40:33
+dbsvorn,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[deleted],1796,2016-12-30 17:53:54
+dbsy6oi,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Communication free of survailance would also be something people should stand up for,1477,2016-12-30 18:46:41
+dbt1pop,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Because ""I got nothin' to hide.""",1166,2016-12-30 20:03:04
+dbsx74i,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","""Just call up Bill Gates and shut some of that shit down.""
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+-People soon to be in power, probably. ",907,2016-12-30 18:25:42
+dbsuydh,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[deleted],839,2016-12-30 17:38:14
+dbsvop2,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Net neutrality is important, but it is an entirely different issue from government control of internet access. A 100% neutral internet can still be taken away.
+",630,2016-12-30 17:53:51
+dbt2cn0,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",When people say this I ask them how they feel about shady people barging into their home and poking about. Suddenly they understand what privacy means. ,615,2016-12-30 20:17:02
+dbsy04f,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","I'm not sure why you're being down voted. This is paraphrasing a direct quote from Donald Trump. 
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+Here's the link: https://www.google.com/amp/www.forbes.com/sites/ericmack/2015/12/08/donald-trump-thinks-he-can-call-bill-gates-to-shut-down-the-internet/",573,2016-12-30 18:42:50
+dbsyi5b,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","> I'm not sure why you're being down voted.
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+[Trump supporters follow me around Reddit and instantly downvote every one of my comments. It's like having an annoying fan club.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRecordCorrected/comments/53ck4e/pretty_sure_this_user_is_a_shill/)",564,2016-12-30 18:53:35
+dbt31k4,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[deleted],534,2016-12-30 20:32:13
+dbt1f1v,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",I agree. How is that not already guaranteed by the 1st and 4th amendments? ,520,2016-12-30 19:56:46
+dbsqxz5,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Surprised it isn't more considering how long a year is and how repressive some regimes are.,366,2016-12-30 16:10:35
+dbswuko,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Don't worry. Pretty sure the UK is gearing up to raise those numbers.,345,2016-12-30 18:18:21
+dbt5uuz,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","My go to is ""Why do you close the door when you go to the bathroom?  If you aren't doing anything wrong in there why cant you do your business in front of god and everybody?""
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+The problem is that the question of the legality of surveillience is framed in the context of catching criminals and not of personal respect.  Everyone has secrets, be it your financial status, what kind of porn you're into, or the mean things you text your friends about your mother in law.  
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+Additionally I would remind them of the immense security risk this poses.  If the government records everything you do online they're recording when you log into your bank account & other important things and you can be damn sure they're not bulletproof security-wise.  Would a database of all bank account numbers in America not be the biggest target imaginable?  How often do you hear about government officials getting hacked?  What incentive is there for an employee to not snag that database, sell it on the black market, and fuck off to a beach somewhere for the rest of their life?  Do you really feel safe putting your livelihood in the hands of people who think we should ""see about shutting the internet down in some places""?",324,2016-12-30 21:35:17
+dbswl5u,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",The important distinction is that a non neutral Internet doesn't need to be taken away.,253,2016-12-30 18:12:51
+dbsyfi6,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",You've now been reported to Theresa Mao,205,2016-12-30 18:51:57
+dbsw789,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","We need a new sort of distributed internet. Can someone remind me of the sub that is dedicated to that?
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+edit:https://www.reddit.com/r/darknetplan/",202,2016-12-30 18:04:42
+dbswhze,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","And 49 of those were Turkey.  Maybe slightly exaggerating, but you have shutting down internet problems, Turkey. ",189,2016-12-30 18:10:58
+dbszj64,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Think your username *might* have something to do with it? ,181,2016-12-30 19:15:39
+dbsygyr,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Yeah, subtle censorship and propaganda are a lot harder to notice than ""Turkey shuts down Facebook."" ",151,2016-12-30 18:52:52
+dbt3d9l,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[deleted],120,2016-12-30 20:39:30
+dbt0no7,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","He's probably cashing a check, *right now*!",111,2016-12-30 19:40:15
+dbswyp6,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Good luck with that. 
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+>Obama’s attack  on the internet is another top down power grab. Net neutrality is the Fairness Doctrine. Will target conservative media.
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+-Trump
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+https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/532608358508167168?lang=en
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+>“We have to go see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what’s happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that Internet up in some way. Somebody will say, ‘Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.’ These are foolish people. We have a lot of foolish people.”
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+-Trump
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+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcmiHx5Yf2I
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+http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmack/2015/12/08/donald-trump-thinks-he-can-call-bill-gates-to-shut-down-the-internet/#321e78054398
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+>Here’s Why Trump Is Right About ‘Shutting Down’ Parts Of The Internet
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+-Breitbart (I'm not going to link to that shit.)",107,2016-12-30 18:20:48
+dbt1e57,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Some of us do.... :(,100,2016-12-30 19:56:13
+dbswm34,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Read up on [meshnets](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh_networking)
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+https://www.reddit.com/r/darknetplan/",88,2016-12-30 18:13:24
+dbsyvlt,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Bingo.
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+With foreign dictatorships and one-party states it's easy to point at their crude attempts to censor and suppress freedom of opinion, they're obvious about doing what they do. But censorship in the west is insidious, sophisticated, ever growing and much harder to expose in a clear manner.",88,2016-12-30 19:01:34
+dbtbwsu,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","I wish my government understood this. They have passed laws this year that will put the citizens under the closest scrutiny outside of Russia, recording the entire web history of everyone except the politicians that voted for the law. And the name of the country? Britain. Our goverment does not respect the personal privacy of its citizens even a little. Fuck you Theresa May.",88,2016-12-30 23:59:01
+dbt0yhk,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Holy shit was that a weird read.,87,2016-12-30 19:46:43
+dbt2oga,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[deleted],83,2016-12-30 20:24:14
+dbt32by,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[deleted],78,2016-12-30 20:32:44
+dbt3gw2,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",It's the Tower of Babel ... keep them confused and unable to communicate with one another,74,2016-12-30 20:41:39
+dbt42wl,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","If everyone who hates Trump is a shill, Hillary must be paying off half the country.",73,2016-12-30 20:55:11
+dbt4upq,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Just just wait though... terrorism took away our privacy and fake news will take away our means to communicate.,71,2016-12-30 21:12:34
+dbt2d2d,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[deleted],69,2016-12-30 20:17:19
+dbt28b1,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Don't worry though, they were just protecting people from fake news. ",65,2016-12-30 20:14:24
+dbt1hc6,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","The internet is disruptive and the people on top in the current system are going to do what they can to limit that because it threatens their wealth and position. 
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+The only way for the free flow of information to continue is to create an internet that can't be easily killed or controlled. ",60,2016-12-30 19:58:08
+dbtd676,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Russia isn't as bad as you think . Britain outstrips China on surveillance now.,58,2016-12-31 00:31:00
+dbt9twi,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",what i just did to my toilet.,58,2016-12-30 23:08:02
+dbt2683,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",He is magic 90s computer man to Trump.,56,2016-12-30 20:13:07
+dbt1kf7,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Terrorists and pedophiles will be the justification used to shut things down. 
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+But the real reason is control the flow of information and the narrative of what it all means. ",56,2016-12-30 19:59:59
+dbt0y91,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Do the brit population care?,53,2016-12-30 19:46:34
+dbt45br,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","I think you pointed to an exemplification of some of these powerful people - some of them got their wealth in a myriad of ways that never required them to be adept at common tasks or possess common knowledge of how the world works. I know a guy worth nine figures that has no idea how to change a print cartridge, magically runs multiple instances of MS Outlook, and if I didn't know a lot about him I would think that he tripped and fell into Scrooge McDuck's vault.
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+Most people don't realize how easy it was for some people to get super fucking rich in the world of real estate or finance if they had some seed money in the 70s and 80s. I'm not saying these people aren't smart, I'm suggesting that there was a road laid out before them and all they needed was the means to travel it and come out the other side to be in that top 1% of wealth bracket.
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+So, yeah, Trump says a lot of dumb shit because it's about things he may not know about because he never had to. All he had to learn was how to leverage people, which isn't easy mostly because it takes huge balls and you wind up being seen as a slimy prick in the meantime. The biggest difference between him and the other slimy pricks is he managed to keep standing.",52,2016-12-30 20:56:41
+dbt1juq,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","So, internet. Right now the way you get internet is that you get subscription from an ISP or phone company something. That means if government intercept your communications at the companies, or shut down these companies there's nothing much you can do.
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+With meshnets, you connect to the internet by connecting to other users like you. When everyone is connected to everyone around them, to shut you down, they will have to shut down everyone else's internet connection instead of just one ISP/telco.
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+",50,2016-12-30 19:59:38
+dbt7kcx,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Isn't it already happening with the intense amount of censorship all over the Internet, including and especially Reddit?",48,2016-12-30 22:14:14
+dbt2i9s,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","I've never actually spoken to someone in person who said this, but I have planned that when they do they hand their phone over to me in their spare time, unlocked, and let me look through it as I see fit.",48,2016-12-30 20:20:29
+dbt9tdx,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",While americans hand off their privacy in the name of [mindless entertainment.](http://i.imgur.com/ke2FcUZ.jpg),47,2016-12-30 23:07:40
+dbt61k2,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","free communication*
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+* As long as you agree with me, dont offend me, dont offend someone else, dont scream about something i dont like, and are promoting political ideology i agree with. 
+",46,2016-12-30 21:39:33
+dbta18m,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","A quote from Edward Snowden has stuck to me, I paraphrase: 
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+>""Not standing up for privacy because you have nothing to hide is to me like not standing up for free speech because you have nothing to say.""           ",46,2016-12-30 23:12:53
+dbt2wa5,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","It should be, but back to that first point...
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+Are you aware that the companies that handle your communications are in fact in the business of selling your details/information to third parties?
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+Are you aware that between google, facebook and whoever makes your browser these companies probably know more about you than your friends?
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+Are you aware that not one single law in the US stops companies from selling everything you post to anyone that wants to buy the info?
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+Don't even get me started on phones.  FFS, you carry a location enabled digital device with audio/video/picture/motion/GPS sensors, all of which report to your phone company (at least).  
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+Communication free of GOVERNMENT surveillance would be nice.  But Corporate surveillance is just as bad.  
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+",45,2016-12-30 20:29:01
+dbsxqo8,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[deleted],44,2016-12-30 18:37:15
+dbt4rny,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","No reason right now to switch to it really is the problem. Once we need it, is a little too late. Also still need to fix the man in the middle issues with it still. But that might of been fixed already. ",43,2016-12-30 21:10:43
+dbsystv,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[deleted],41,2016-12-30 18:59:54
+dbswt0r,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",There is this crazy goverment right now accusing other goverments of hacking them without showing a single solid piece of evidence. Crazy fuckers. ,40,2016-12-30 18:17:25
+dbt866h,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Shhh!  We can't blame it on Trump yet.,40,2016-12-30 22:28:32
+dbt6fff,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","""Mind if I see your browser history?""",40,2016-12-30 21:48:20
+dbt4p25,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Some people in the UK will actually call you paranoid and a conspiracy theorist if you are concerned about government surveillance. ,40,2016-12-30 21:09:06
+dbt1n5h,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Can you imagine if the eastern seaboard was hot with a DDOS atack when Julian Assange was realeasing his biggest wave of wiki leaks.... the US would never do something like that.,39,2016-12-30 20:01:36
+dbtb9hr,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Believe Amazon responded to cops along the lines of ""no you idiots, it's not recording everything every second, only when you ""address"" it. And even if it did record everything, we wouldn't give it to you.""
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+They could be lying to protect the amount it does record for marketing or whatever, but even still, good on them is how I'm currently feeling.",39,2016-12-30 23:43:07
+dbt87uo,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",so /r/politics basically,38,2016-12-30 22:29:40
+dbtapnu,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","I was reading something interesting about that the other day.  This guy got murdered in his house and the police are subpoenaing the information from his Echo to see if there's anything useful on it.  I can't wait to see exactly how much those things track about you, I wonder if it literally records everything you say?",38,2016-12-30 23:29:35
+dbt2smf,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Are you trying to make a point?  Officially recognizing something as a right doesn't stop every violation, but it's a start.",34,2016-12-30 20:26:50
+dbt2r16,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",I've been fortunate enough to not talk to these people.,34,2016-12-30 20:25:51
+dbt4vp3,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Theoretically. Turns out a big whistle blower showed us that the FBI doesn't care and will surveil you without a warrant anyhow. Without reason and without a warrant. Srsly. ,33,2016-12-30 21:13:12
+dbt0aql,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Allegedly. Because what they are using to come to that conclusion is the evidence which is as of yet unseen. I mean, I'm not even from the US but it seems like basic, independent logical thinking would result in a decision to wait for further release of data before forming an opinion.",32,2016-12-30 19:32:16
+dbt064b,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",As wikileaks was being released there seemed to be outages that coincided. ,31,2016-12-30 19:29:24
+dbt3s41,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","So sad. They were so proud of their reasonable secularism, an example to the world that ideas of the middle east and west could coexist in a functioning society.",31,2016-12-30 20:48:30
+dbt3yov,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Witch hunts and conspiracy are a normal part of society. 
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+Right? RIGHT??!??!!",31,2016-12-30 20:52:34
+dbt62ac,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",I ask for their facebook password.  Bet they have nothing to hide in the private messages there!,31,2016-12-30 21:40:01
+dbt2mfa,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",I mean all you really post is anti-Trump stuff.,30,2016-12-30 20:23:01
+dbt5y09,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[removed],30,2016-12-30 21:37:17
+dbt3xws,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","*Gasp*
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+My check cashing arm!
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+EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MMNVNj99PQ",30,2016-12-30 20:52:05
+dbt3iyu,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Of course, a The_Donald user thinks it is okay to basically stalk people because they have a different opinion than you. ",29,2016-12-30 20:42:55
+dbt2uod,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[deleted],29,2016-12-30 20:28:04
+dbt6jer,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Remember the last time we declared war on a vague concept, like terrorism? It ended in an authoritarian shitshow. Let's not do that again.",28,2016-12-30 21:50:46
+dbt35h7,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Not quite as bad — government has police power.,28,2016-12-30 20:34:43
+dbsynex,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Oh he knows exactly what he's saying, and he's got millions of supporters who think he's absolutely right. That's the terrifying part.",28,2016-12-30 18:56:40
+dbt5s7k,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Not valid in muricah either,28,2016-12-30 21:33:38
+dbt4mgq,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",There is a lot to hate.,28,2016-12-30 21:07:28
+dbt9f56,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",come up with imaginative ways to make everything look bad in attempt to prove a similar but separate point - everything you say can and will be used against you.,28,2016-12-30 22:58:13
+dbtd9al,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",so who is worse? N. Korea? I'm so fucking proud of my government. Leading the way in removing people's right to privacy.,28,2016-12-31 00:33:12
+dbt7gfv,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","And remember, the way governments gain the authority and the ability to limit the press is through seemingly well-meaning means - such as controlling ""propaganda"", limiting the ability of some universally-reviled group to communicate (such as racist groups or pedophiles), or ensuring ""truth"" (as determined by this government agency, who is *totally* independent and would *never* classify inconvenient information about those in power as fake for their own purposes, trust us!).
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+Always be weary of any government proposal to limit freedom of speech, even if you trust the current administration. When the government gives itself blanket power to control speech, the next administration inherits that power, and may not be as responsible with it.",27,2016-12-30 22:11:40
+dbt1of9,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[deleted],27,2016-12-30 20:02:19
+dbt0280,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",What's needed is a wide scale wireless mesh network based on openwrt firmwares. It would have high ping but pretty much impossible to take down. ,27,2016-12-30 19:27:03
+dbt0nj2,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","The future, more and more censorship. Free and open society, ha. Government control is increasing across the globe. ",25,2016-12-30 19:40:09
+dbt325n,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",You forget that ISPs can control this if Net Neutrality were to go away as the Trump presidency is planning to do.,24,2016-12-30 20:32:37
+dbt6pfo,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Progressives push so hard for the treatment of certain groups that they circled around and got to fascism from the other side.,24,2016-12-30 21:54:33
+dbszj07,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",These people are not known for the ability to detect sarcasm. Or self-awareness. Or even a sense of humor.,24,2016-12-30 19:15:34
+dbt2efh,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Some debate how powerful the Internet truly is in a free society... how do we know that the Internet is a huge element of freedom of information and threat to government propaganda? When we observe autocratic countries trying to shut it down to protect themselves from it.,23,2016-12-30 20:18:07
+dbt2psi,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Reminds me of reddit...,23,2016-12-30 20:25:03
+dbt4o9z,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Because the US Constitution is not an international document,23,2016-12-30 21:08:37
+dbt5wap,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","They never were though, that was a fantasy.  If I wasn't on mobile I'd show you pictures of Turkish soldiers in 80's and 90's beheading people, way before alqaeda/Isis made beheadings a thing.  They've had more military coups than the bible has psalms.  The 1980's coup made speaking Kurdish (more than 15% of the population)  in public a jailable offense.  But somehow, someway, western people would go to Istanbul and buy some nice memorabilia from some nice merchant and be like,  ahhhh, democracy! East and west! This is nice! ",23,2016-12-30 21:36:12
+dbt5ges,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Open source (auditable) hardware and software combined with properly implemented encryption stops them from spying on you.
+
+But that's probably why hardware is becoming increasingly closed and so many major software platforms have been backdoored by the NSA.
+
+Still. There are fully transparent solutions to this problem.",23,2016-12-30 21:26:06
+dbt3d6p,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",http://m.imgur.com/VNHIV1M?r,23,2016-12-30 20:39:27
+dbt6a0n,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Why don't you get a legal advise from a lawyer about that?,23,2016-12-30 21:44:54
+dbt43mm,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","That isnt what Im saying. Corporations will have the will to do what they want with your connection.  Net Neutrality protects the data stream as well as bandwidth and access.
+
+Want to look up a story about how bad Comcast is? Hear about an issue that someone recorded about Comcast? Why cant you find it?  Because Comcast can block it, legally without net neutrality.
+
+If you think they give a shit about backlash... you havent been following Comcast.",22,2016-12-30 20:55:36
+dbt6ukk,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",What do you do when they let you see? ,22,2016-12-30 21:57:43
+dbt6vyq,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Hmm define what is ""wrong"" in the bathroom...",22,2016-12-30 21:58:34
+dbsx2ph,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",They no longer shut it down over here. They just slow it down to 1kbps for certain websites...,21,2016-12-30 18:23:07
+dbt0w4o,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","> It would have high ping
+
+You might as well just get rid of the internet all together.",21,2016-12-30 19:45:20
+dbt5u86,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[deleted],21,2016-12-30 21:34:54
+dbszgag,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Just waiting for my xx large Guy Fawkes mask to come in and I'll be ready to hit the front lines of the Internet. ,20,2016-12-30 19:13:56
+dbt1m0c,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Wtf does Bill Gates have to do with the internet?,20,2016-12-30 20:00:55
+dbt7i4v,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","pretty much why trump won.. even though many true conservatives dont like him very much..
+
+republicans are def wrong on some issues as well, i fall as a libertarian, because i firmly believe that you should be able to do what you want so long as you dont hurt others.- physically at least.
+
+people need to grow up and not hang on everyones every syllable, your never going to be in a space where 100% of the people agree with everything and will never say something to question your beliefs.. if it were that way , we would all go more crazy.
+
+people can think whatever they want, as long as they dont use it against others.. such as the kkk can freely exist, so long as tehy dont activly murder people. there are nazi's in the united states, as long as they dont start killing jews they can be here. - are those groups despicable yes. do i care for them, no, would i be happier if they were gone, sure, but they have just as much right to be despicable as does anyone else. i will fight for their right to be ignorant peices of shit if that means that we have freedom of speech.
+
+
+tolerance with free speech has to go farther than only the things i like and fuck you.
+
+
+i think young people dont fully grasp what its like to not have these rights taken away or not to have them to start.
+they think tolerance is about not having evil thoughts, but its really about respecting those who disagree with you.  
+
+most of the liberals who run around freaking out about tolerance wouldnt last 10 min in a foreign country like russia, cuba, iran, china, or many other countries",20,2016-12-30 22:12:46
+dbt8wa9,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Or worse, let me see your close families text as well, let me go through your families medical records. 
+
+Sometimes people don't care about theirselves so they won't fight, but it affects all the people around them. Seeing their family suffer from their personal apathy might trigger something. ",20,2016-12-30 22:45:51
+dbt6zw1,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Not only in the UK, same in Norway. Probably in most western countries. 
+
+
+
+After all, government always watches out for its citizens best interest. /s",20,2016-12-30 22:01:05
+dbszi9g,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","> I've argued many times that government enforcement of net neutrality ends up giving the government the power to do exactly this.
+
+Then you don't understand net neutrality. No offense but there it is, that's not even close to what net neutrality entails. It *lessens* the ability of any actors to restrict access through ISPs. 
+
+If you really argued it many times, I'd like to see some resources you used to get to that conclusion. Normal mode: scientific articles. Hard mode: peer reviewed and referenced. ",19,2016-12-30 19:15:07
+dbt4m7v,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","I think that the issue is less with unencrypted traffic, and more with encryption made with built-in insecurities or backdoors, mismanagement of keys, etc..",19,2016-12-30 21:07:19
+dbt9jdi,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",If your post includes terms *'Social Justice Warrior'* or *'SJW'* it will trigger an automod in /r/europe. It's too offensive.,18,2016-12-30 23:00:56
+dbt9g3y,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","German freifunkers have scaling problems, beause they are building a layer 2 network - and on top of that, there are range problems.You need directed senders and receiver to get a long connection.
+
+But then again, there's a lot of fully anarchic networks all across bigger german cities. That's a bloody good thing, because those things are impossible to shutdown. So I think mesh nets are just a thing of the next 5 - 10 years until the right smart people get the scaling down, and some smart amateur radios get cross-continental coverage. It won't be multi-TB across the atlantic, sure, but it'll get messages there. ",18,2016-12-30 22:58:51
+dbt5pd5,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Seriously, FUCK people who say this shit.",18,2016-12-30 21:31:53
+dbt2uc1,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Join the [Electronic Frontier Foundation](https://www.eff.org/).  They fight a good fight. ,17,2016-12-30 20:27:51
+dbswygp,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Surprised not to see Turkey on the list. Maybe it's because they're doing it without accepting they do. ,17,2016-12-30 18:20:39
+dbsyqx0,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Thanks, this is more important now than ever before. ",17,2016-12-30 18:58:47
+dbt4b25,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Just because you said that private armies will come back now.,17,2016-12-30 21:00:19
+dbt1vms,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Pretty hilarious,17,2016-12-30 20:06:44
+dbt3uy7,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","It's the ""ignorance is bliss"" in full effect. Also known as ""it's ok if it's done as long as I don't perceive it that way"". If UK government would personally come up to that person and say that they will be spying on everything he does on the internet, that person would surely see it as a problem. But ""we will be spying on our citizens"" is way more abstract and less personal so a lot of people don't feel personally affected by this statement.   ",17,2016-12-30 20:50:16
+dbt449w,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Maybe centralizing power is a bad thing,15,2016-12-30 20:56:02
+dbt0fdt,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",ELI5?,15,2016-12-30 19:35:08
+dbta5z1,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",I was more talking about the whole u/spez editing thing and the pizzagate ban. And just the fact CTR is/was a thing. The fact that an r/Hillaryclinton post with 0 points made it to r/all yesterday. There is a lot and Reddit is only scratching the surface. ,15,2016-12-30 23:16:03
+dbt55tk,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",That's hilariously pathetic. Got their jimmies so rustled they essentially tried to brigade you.,15,2016-12-30 21:19:33
+dbt64xq,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","> And we can't do anything to stop them...
+
+Linux, and only use open source, trusted software.
+
+Seeing how many times people open up their photo app is pretty harmless though. Usage statistics are benign. Location tracking, looking at people's private stuff, that's bad. I work on the Android/iOS app for a major company and we have a lot of Google Analytics. It has to be properly sanitized (no personal identifying data) or we lose our contract with Google. We track how long someone is on a page, what buttons they click, what error messages they get, whether a service call was successful and how long it took to make. All that stuff. That's on the same level as Microsoft knowing how many times you opened the Windows Photo program, and the same statistics are used by nearly every software company and every website, including reddit, and that's not really a bad thing.
+
+Facebook not letting go of your private photos you sent to your girlfriend, or Google storing your location data forever, or every country storing petabytes of data on their citizens including every email, text, and phone call log is what you should be worried about. Fuck Facebook, and fuck the NSA.",15,2016-12-30 21:41:42
+dbt66dt,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[deleted],15,2016-12-30 21:42:39
+dbt38iu,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","I am surprised that Turkey isn't mentioned among the countries that restricted internet access. I mean, I know the article mentions the word ""governments"", so they must include them there. It just seems that Turkey is a very good example for the point they are trying to make.",14,2016-12-30 20:36:35
+dbta6x6,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Mh, I don't have tried and true information on that.
+
+According to wikipedia, LTE chips should have 500m range device to device, minus material problems. So a crowd or a demonstration could easily keep a network going between them. This matches my expectation for the moment: A group of people could share data on smart phones among them, but you'll need drones, or other operators to open up an uplink to the outside world, because maintaining a border of around 1km is too easy for authorities.
+ ",14,2016-12-30 23:16:44
+dbt3kbz,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Just simply explaining why people might suspect something (I don't),14,2016-12-30 20:43:44
+dbtdobq,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[deleted],14,2016-12-31 00:43:49
+dbt6hew,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","It's not censorship, it's fighting ""fake news""!",13,2016-12-30 21:49:32
+dbt2pq3,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",How the fuck does net neutrality stop government censorship? The only way to stop it is banning government from touching the internet. People don't want the censorship gone. Someone think of the children! They just want it to be on their side. Are you dreaming of the wild west of 90s internet? That utopia won't come back and no one wants it back.,13,2016-12-30 20:25:00
+dbt5oml,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Don't want the public to see how dirty Obama and friends are.,13,2016-12-30 21:31:24
+dbt37z7,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[deleted],13,2016-12-30 20:36:14
+dbt92kb,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","True, it's no panacea. I believe the slight but important improvement is the accountability (or auditability) of open source. Anyone can go in and see for themselves there's no backdoors, as well as anyone can help find and patch vulnerabilities.",13,2016-12-30 22:50:00
+dbt3jtg,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Erdogan does that in Turkey, as well as shutting off electricity during voting to force a revote.. And then having the audacity to say that ""the people voted for me.""",12,2016-12-30 20:43:25
+dbsxhv2,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[deleted],12,2016-12-30 18:32:04
+dbt44p2,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Isn't net neutrality controlled by the very people that shut down the internet 50 times in 2016?
+
+Maybe the UK could use some net neutrality to stop the government from censoring their porn.",12,2016-12-30 20:56:17
+dbt650o,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[deleted],12,2016-12-30 21:41:45
+dbt066t,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Article about his proposed low-orbit low-latency satellites [link](http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/spacex-plans-worldwide-satellite-internet-with-low-latency-gigabit-speed/) ,12,2016-12-30 19:29:27
+dbt0gqe,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[deleted],12,2016-12-30 19:35:58
+dbt42e7,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Remember that downvotes are easily misinterpreted.  I'm not going to stalk your comments to find the one you're talking about, but it's just as likely that you were downvoted for tone or bad grammar or something.",12,2016-12-30 20:54:53
+dbtbdx7,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","I'd just leave the decision to her - its a very imperfect solution, but it seems like the kind of thing where she just has to choose because it affects her most directly.  And she has to take emotional responsibility for how it affects you.  Be understanding but express your frustration.",12,2016-12-30 23:46:05
+dbt5czc,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","And you can see it on his profile.  But why would you want to spend all of your time posting anti-Trump stuff let alone political stuff? That has to be stressful.  I sometimes secretly wish the whole CTR controls everyone conspiracy is real so I can help validate those posters.  If not, all I see is a sad, grumpy redditor. Or maybe it's an alternate account of his. Who knows.",12,2016-12-30 21:23:59
+dbt0y3u,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","> Legal Precedent doesn't care how something is implemented. It sees:
+
+>> Government has taken power to determine how ISPs treat packets from different sources. Currently, ruling is ""All has to be the same."" No one is challenging.
+
+Legal precedent doesn't see that. Governments already have power, through the law, to do anything. You don't understand the concept of a legal precedent. It requires an actual case or in this case law that already provides an entrance for whatever is presumed as precedent. But Net Neutrality doesn't provide any entries for government regulation of what can and can not be viewed on the Internet. 
+
+>Then, later, some asshole politician comes along. ""We need to protect our children from porn!"" Court sees:
+
+>>Government already has the power to determine how ISPs treat packets from different sources. This law is constitutional by precedent.
+
+Court doesn't see that. Court sees: Government trying to restrict access through ISP is forbidden from doing so per the net neutrality law.
+
+>it opens doors to abuse of power
+
+No. If your logic holds up, you can say that about the most honest of laws, like laws against murder. ""Government decided what can't be done with lives, so that sets the precedent for government able to end your life!"" That's your approach to this net neutrality debate. You take something, then you pretend the exact opposite is precedented for.
+
+>and as we've very clearly seen this year, politicians you like don't always win.
+
+I don't live in the US, or in the UK, so any politician you know of doesn't apply to me. Your generalized statement is meaningless to this debate entirely.  
+
+Furthermore: I'm still interested in scientific articles backing up your point. You could also take excerpts from net neutrality and explain in detail how that regulation would be abused by the government in the future, instead of just saying it's gonna happen. ",12,2016-12-30 19:46:29
+dbtaqyz,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","I wish it would trigger something, but their answer will be - this is diefferent, you aren't the government. Do you realize that Joseph Stalin was able to kill millions of his own people without a single shot fired. Those poor souls firmly believed that their innocense would be their defense. Most people are sheep.",12,2016-12-30 23:30:27
+dbt3fss,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Just start asking personal questions.,12,2016-12-30 20:41:01
+dbt96ob,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","-DNC
+ 
+What year is it again? How bout some good old fashioned Red Scare",11,2016-12-30 22:52:43
+dbt4yio,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",- Hillary Clinton Supporters,11,2016-12-30 21:15:01
+dbt5ra7,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Paging ""spaz""",11,2016-12-30 21:33:03
+dbt46t0,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","The DNC and mass media colluded for Trump to be the pied piper candidate that Hillary could easily beat in the general election.
+
+The monster they created, destroyed them.
+
+Now the MSM is trying to destroy Trump.
+
+It's actually an interesting storyline if you think about it.",11,2016-12-30 20:57:38
+dbt5nop,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Sultan*
+
+Turkey has a traditional title for that, we should respect it ;)",11,2016-12-30 21:30:47
+dbt3182,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","I dont know how to convince Republicans, but I think the below article is a good way of convincing some conservatives/""free market"" people...
+
+http://www.jamesjheaney.com/2014/09/15/why-free-marketeers-want-to-regulate-the-internet/
+
+It helped convince me to support Net Neutrality, and even Title 2 reclassification when I first wasn't sure how to feel on the subject.
+
+",11,2016-12-30 20:32:01
+dbt2o63,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Figure out how to model a network on a small town rumor mill and it will become unstoppable.,11,2016-12-30 20:24:04
+dbt4t2m,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[deleted],11,2016-12-30 21:11:35
+dbt9b4d,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","The Constitution is worthless when the employees of We The People who are responsible for seeing it upheld are the very ones violating it, and when those same people are allowed to decide legally whether or not they've violated it in the first place (and of course continually decide the answer is ""No, and the details as to why are classified"").",11,2016-12-30 22:55:35
+dbt4ew4,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[deleted],11,2016-12-30 21:02:43
+dbt2ez8,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Well, you'd have to attack thousands of nodes at once, by being physically connected to them. Attempting to ddos the network by taking out a bunch of nearby nodes would just overload those specific nodes, and the rest of the network probably wouldn't even notice. Even jamming the network with loud radio broadcasts would be infeasible for the same reason. ",11,2016-12-30 20:18:27
+dbt52iu,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",I feel like the most dangerous type of false news are the meme churning Facebook groups like occupy democrats and Tea Party groups.  They don't really count as news and no doubt won't be counted as 'fake news' but they have tens of millions of followers and it's the worst kind of propaganda mill echo chambers.,11,2016-12-30 21:17:30
+dbt89kq,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","You clearly overestimate your abilities to secure your communications and underestimate the government. If you think that your transmissions are completely secure and immune from interception because you use HTTPS you are mistaken. How many TLS vulns have been made public within the past few years? The NSA and GCHQ have infiltrated most major providers. Security is a complete illusion when everything is compromised. Even if we assume that the connection is secure end-to-end with regards to the content of your communications, metadata can reveal enough to profile you.",11,2016-12-30 22:30:48
+dbtg9d6,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","That's not how they work. If they did, it would be plastered all over the news. This can be easily verified by hooking one up and watching the network traffic.
+
+Nothing gets transmitted over the internet until you activate it. This is done on the device itself. It waits to hear 'Alexa' and then starts transmitting. ",11,2016-12-31 01:49:02
+dbsyjx9,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Well I would never buy services from those governments. 
+
+Down over 50 times in a year, that is terrible up time. ",10,2016-12-30 18:54:36
+dbsz065,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",*cough* Turkey *cough* ,10,2016-12-30 19:04:20
+dbt1476,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","By probably you mean he actually already said that, right?",10,2016-12-30 19:50:14
+dbt4b8j,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",The US government has made an absolutely tremendous amount of money and power just stepping over half the bill of rights and ignoring most war laws.,10,2016-12-30 21:00:25
+dbt22is,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",B-b-but Hilary!,10,2016-12-30 20:10:56
+dbt4aj3,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Thanks for the explanation! So how does one go about setting themselves up with meshnets and/or supporting the process of setting them up?,10,2016-12-30 20:59:59
+dbt5f63,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",The Correct the Record folks were unpaid interns.,10,2016-12-30 21:25:20
+dbth2ak,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","I think it's amazing that when I was growing up my teacher said, ""you'll never carry carry around a calculator in your pocket!"" and now I have the entirety of human knowledge 3 inches from my penis and they want to take that away?!",9,2016-12-31 02:09:15
+dbt14zf,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","I mean, you have to put this in perspective though. He was talking about something that he doesn't understand. He seemed to be under the impression that the US literally owned the internet and allowed people to use it. Obviously thats now how it works or how its physically built. His idea was to somehow prevent groups like ISIS from being able to use the internet at all. 
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+So, its a little hard to take someone seriously in regards to something that they don't understand and their ultimate goal being impossible. Sort of like someone who knows nothing about chemistry promoting alchemy. ",9,2016-12-30 19:50:43
+dbsysj2,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[removed],9,2016-12-30 18:59:44
+dbt3bwg,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Good thing you're also followed by a lot of anti trump people too
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+(We got you fam)",9,2016-12-30 20:38:39
+dbtanb0,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",They always say they are going to come by the off post houses but never have I seen them actually go through with it. ,9,2016-12-30 23:27:56
+dbt1tc3,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",That subreddit is nothing but sarcasm and humor. ,9,2016-12-30 20:05:19
+dbt9i8v,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Hrm antnylopz our database shows your father identified as a supporter of the previous government. Our algorithm also shows you are quite low on your national pride rating.  I'm sorry, this interview is over.  ",9,2016-12-30 23:00:10
+dbta62s,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Yeah of course, that's reason they need to mass data harvest the entire population. Because all the latest and greatest terrorist masterminds are using fucking Facebook messenger to plot their attacks.",9,2016-12-30 23:16:07
+dbthwrd,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","This needs to be addressed, seriously. also Europeans getting jail time/fines for voicing ""unpopular"" opinions online needs to end, thats actually fascism.",8,2016-12-31 02:30:48
+dbt3vol,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Nobody really knows what's going on in the age of computer.,8,2016-12-30 20:50:43
+dbt37sg,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",49 of those were in Turkey.,8,2016-12-30 20:36:07
+dbsx6io,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Soooo when's the revolution?,8,2016-12-30 18:25:20
+dbt0x9j,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Glad that doesn't happen here in the US. Can you imagine if Facebook had been shutdown during our election?,8,2016-12-30 19:46:01
+dbt6ouq,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Julian Assange is still missing too. But you guys don't care about him anymore because he exposed Democrats instead of just Republicans. ,8,2016-12-30 21:54:11
+dbsxnvt,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","> Net neutrality is important, but it is an entirely different issue from government control of internet access.
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+That depends on how it is legally defined, as it *does* in fact prevent government demanded censorship of specific sites through ISPs. ",8,2016-12-30 18:35:39
+dbtawyd,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Yeah and the reds have a plan to shut down net neutrality once trump gets inaugurated,8,2016-12-30 23:34:35
+dbt9duk,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","It's not necessarily fascism, it's simply authoritarianism. Both the left and right have their flavors of both authoritarian and libertarian, respectively.",8,2016-12-30 22:57:22
+dbt9ksx,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","While they might have had an easier path, I don't necessarily begrudge them for being technologically inept. You would think that because they are millionaires or billionaires they are very capable in all things and that's simply not the case.
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+I can go to a computer store, buy all the necessary parts, and build a PC from those parts. That is beyond some people. Conversely, a hospital is full of dozens or hundreds of people who can stitch up a wound and I couldn't sew a button onto my shirt. It's not necessarily that it's beyond my capability, I just haven't developed that skill.
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+A lot of us think that PCs are just so *easy* but that's because we've picked up so much stuff intuitively after just *using* them for years. Some of us were also fortunate enough to grow up in an era where it required a lot of technical expertise to use them - imagine trying to connect to the Internet pre-AOL for your average Facebook user - and so it acted as a sort of natural selection against the technologically inept.
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+Now it's easier than ever but computers have not gotten any less complex. So while there has been a good degree of idiot-proofing (for lack of a better term), when things mess up there's an awful lot of people who are just not equipped to fix them in the same way that people who have been using computers for a long time can.",8,2016-12-30 23:01:53
+dbt9wje,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",[deleted],8,2016-12-30 23:09:46
+dbt1tnh,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Fast internet for fun. Slow internet for prescribed activities.,8,2016-12-30 20:05:31
+dbt3zez,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Also, just ask for their password to their email.  Should be no issue, right?",8,2016-12-30 20:53:01
+dbt4ozo,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","I've never seen someone defend the left as good but the right is evil. I've largely seen the left at least does some good things while the right claws at the floorboards as progress drags it along. I've not seen a single redditor claim ""the left"" doesn't largely agree with domestic spying and erosion of our privacies.
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+And I'm certainly not going to argue that ""both sides are evil"".",8,2016-12-30 21:09:03
+dbt861m,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","No try about it, that was one of the posts they have for people to get a list of usernames to add to their browser extensions that automatically downvote every single thing they see by those people. Can't put up a thread that says ""Here's the list for the extension"" but they can make a post with as many key words one might search for while looking for said thread.",8,2016-12-30 22:28:27
+dbszn9l,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",See also: thinking.,8,2016-12-30 19:18:06
+dbt3zfb,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Disappointment,8,2016-12-30 20:53:01
+dbtfhyt,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Or just ridicule them for things until they feel shame, and tell them you'll tell everybody they respect about it unless they do something for you. Then either a) explain that governments have blackmailed people with less and they're basically volunteering everything they could possibly be blackmailed with, or b) blackmail them.",8,2016-12-31 01:29:49
+dbt7d4r,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","This is a good point. Especially the ""covert methods"" part. Tech-savvy people know what it means and have quite a good idea how the spying using ""covert methods"" is achieved. Most people however don't know what it means and it adds another abstraction level (what I mentioned in my previous reply). If people would understand in detail how the spying is done, then suddenly it wouldn't seem so abstract anymore and would seem more real. Maybe then more people would be outraged.",8,2016-12-30 22:09:35
+dbtb1mz,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Hey me too like right now!,8,2016-12-30 23:37:47
+dbt7tl3,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","So hes pretty much the left wing counterpart to half of the dolan then?
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+I mean, sure its a strange thing to do. But adults can do what they want as far as posting shit online, I dont really care. 
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+Id imagine some users that post a lot of things of a political nature might have a separate account they use for political things so that if they get a pissed off brigade following them around online it can prevent things like doxxing.",8,2016-12-30 22:20:14
+dbt6inp,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Governments around the world murdered 262 million of their citizens/subjects in the last hundred years (Democide).
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+I'll bet the ones suppressing the internet today are of the same controlling nature as those murderous governments.
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+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide
+ ",7,2016-12-30 21:50:19
+dbt7qks,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",This is why we should be scrutinizing and threatening to disband all governments every day.  To keep them honest.  There is absolutely no reprocussions for crooked politicians any more.  Not since we stopped dragging them from city hall and executing them out front. ,7,2016-12-30 22:18:16
+dbsv328,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Which makes you wonder why zer0 was so intent on giving up control.  Er, no, it doesn't make you wonder.",7,2016-12-30 17:40:58
+dbt3ki7,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech","Here in India, we have had internet shut down for everything ranging from exams (to prevent cheating) to protests against government (security! cute). And then we have a Prime Minister who is now forcing digital payments on us which requires internet for most modes without any assurance that internet would not be shut down. And it was shut down in two states during the promotion period IIRC. It's hilarious. And sad. I mean you are already taking away freedom of expression from people and then you are restricting the mode to pay for stuff which you are forcing on them in the first place. Insane. ",7,2016-12-30 20:43:49
+dbt32nm,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Lol that's fucking awesome. Wear it with pride,7,2016-12-30 20:32:56
+dbt8kxq,5l3ynt,"Governments around the world shut down the internet more than 50 times in 2016 – suppressing elections, slowing economies and limiting free speech",Think children.,7,2016-12-30 22:38:20