# Profiling: nsys first, ncu second They answer different questions. Reaching for ncu too early is the standard mistake. | tool | question it answers | |---|---| | **nsys** | Is the time even *inside* a kernel? Launch gaps, dispatch overhead, H2D/D2H stalls, missing overlap, stream serialization. | | **ncu** | Given that the time is in kernel K, which resource is saturated and why. | A real case from this repo: an eager reference measured **185 ms wall against 2.06 ms GPU-busy**. nsys shows that in one screen. ncu would have reported a perfectly healthy kernel and told you nothing. ## Permissions — this WILL bite first ``` ==ERROR== ERR_NVGPUCTRPERM - The user does not have permission to access NVIDIA GPU Performance Counters ``` GPU performance counters are privileged. Either: - run the container with `--cap-add SYS_ADMIN` (verified working), or - have the host set `NVreg_RestrictProfilingToAdminUsers=0` in the nvidia kernel module options, which fixes it for everyone with no per-container flag. `ncu --version` succeeding proves nothing — it does not touch counters. Test with a real metric. ## nsys ```bash nsys profile -o /tmp/prof --force-overwrite true --stats=true \ --trace=cuda,nvtx,osrt python3 my_bench.py nsys stats --report cuda_gpu_kern_sum /tmp/prof.nsys-rep # per-kernel totals nsys stats --report cuda_gpu_trace /tmp/prof.nsys-rep # the timeline ``` What to look for: - **Gaps between kernels** — dispatch-bound. Fix with CUDA Graphs, fewer launches, or fusion. - **GPU idle while CPU is busy** — python/host overhead, not a kernel problem. - **Kernels not overlapping** that should — stream/dependency issue. - **Sum of kernel time << wall time** — the kernel is not your problem yet. Annotate regions with `torch.cuda.nvtx.range_push/pop` so the timeline is readable. ## ncu Target one kernel; do not `--set full` by default (it is slow enough to become its own problem). ```bash ncu --target-processes all \ --kernel-name regex:my_kernel --launch-skip 5 --launch-count 3 \ --section SpeedOfLight --section MemoryWorkloadAnalysis \ --section WarpStateStats --section Occupancy \ -o /tmp/rep python3 my_bench.py ncu -i /tmp/rep.ncu-rep --page details ``` Add `-lineinfo` at compile time (nvcc `-lineinfo`; Triton emits it) to get **per-source-line** stall attribution — the single most useful ncu feature and the one most often left off. ### metric → conclusion | observation | metric | conclusion | |---|---|---| | SM high, DRAM low | `sm__throughput.avg.pct_of_peak_sustained_elapsed` | compute-bound → tensor cores, better instruction mix, less redundant work | | DRAM high, SM low | `gpu__dram_throughput.avg.pct_of_peak_sustained_elapsed` | bandwidth-bound → cut traffic, fuse passes, improve reuse | | both low | — | latency-bound → read stall reasons below | | ↳ memory latency | `smsp__pcsamp_warps_issue_stalled_long_scoreboard` | more loads in flight: `cp.async`/TMA, deeper pipeline, unroll | | ↳ sync | `smsp__pcsamp_warps_issue_stalled_barrier` | fewer `__syncthreads`, warp specialization | | ↳ smem/SFU pressure | `smsp__pcsamp_warps_issue_stalled_mio_throttle` | fewer smem ops, cut transcendentals | | ↳ dependency chain | `smsp__pcsamp_warps_issue_stalled_wait` | more ILP, unroll, independent accumulators | | uncoalesced access | `l1tex__t_sectors_per_request.avg` | fix layout / access pattern (ideal is 4 sectors per 32-thread request for 32-bit) | | bank conflicts | `l1tex__data_bank_conflicts_pipe_lsu_mem_shared` | swizzle the shared-memory layout | | low occupancy | `sm__warps_active.avg.pct_of_peak_sustained_active` | find the limiter: registers, smem, or block size | | register spills | `launch__registers_per_thread` + SASS `LDL/STL` | cut live values, smaller tile | | tensor cores idle | `sm__pipe_tensor_op_hmma_cycles_active…` | the MMA you think you issued did not issue | `tools/profile.sh` collects this set and prints the diagnosis rather than the report. ### ncu gotchas - **Never time under ncu.** It serializes and replays kernels; wall time under the profiler is meaningless. - **Kernel replay breaks stateful kernels** — persistent kernels, cross-launch atomics, anything with side effects. Use `--replay-mode application` (replays the whole process) or range replay. - Autotuned frameworks compile many variants; use `--launch-skip` to get past warmup so you profile the steady-state kernel, not a first-call outlier. - `--clock-control none` if you are comparing against un-profiled timings; by default ncu locks clocks.