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Okay, good morning everyone and welcome back.

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Today we move to speak about our first poem, our

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first English poem in the course. Last time we

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examined a Palestinian poem by a young Palestinian

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poet Tamim el Barghouti about Jerusalem. We

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discussed issues related to the themes and the

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forms, and we kind of, in passing, mentioned some

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features of Palestinian poetry highlighted in the

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poem itself, and I gave you this as an assignment,

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so I'm hoping that you're working on this, again,

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on excavating the Palestinian features Palestinian

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poetry features from the poem Vitamin Al Barwati.

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Today we move to Renaissance poetry and this is

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Sir Thomas Wyatt from the 16th century. from the

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16th century. Sir Thomas White was born around

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1502 and died around 1542, something like this. It

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means he was born, wrote poetry, did what he did

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and lived in the first half of the 16th century.

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The poem We will talk about today is this one.

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It's called Whoso Less to Hunt. Many poems in the

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past didn't have titles, so many people tend to

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give them either titles revolving around the theme

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itself or sometimes people take the first line or

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the first part of the first line as the title of

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the poem. If you look at the poem, it's short.

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This is the first thing we notice. It's a short

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poem.

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If you look at the form or the shape, it's kind of

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regular, more or less. The lines are not exactly

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the same, but they are close. Sometimes the length

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of the line is significant, but what is more

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significant is the number of syllables.

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My advice is usually when you look at a poem, a

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short poem like this, is to count the lines.

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Because if this is a 14-line poem, it means it's a

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sonnet. Thank you very much. It means it's a

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sonnet. Why is a sonnet special? Can you tell me?

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Why is it special to highlight the fact that a

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particular poem is a sonnet or is not a sonnet?

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Please. It has a certain high scale and it usually

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speaks about How did you know it's a Petrarchan

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sonnet? Okay. Thank you. It has two parts.

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What's the most significant thing about the

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sonnet?

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More. More important. More important. What's the

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most significant thing about the sonnet? More.

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Yeah? The number of lines, the 14 lines, that's

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number one, that's a given. Yeah, but let's go

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back and work on things in a regular manner. 14

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lines, 13 lines, no sorry, not a sonnet. 15 lines,

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still not a sonnet. So when I say what is special

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about the sonnet, the first thing is that 14

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lines, sacred, it's a given. And then we talk

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about, because even when you talk about the rhyme

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scheme, there are varieties. The structures, there

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are varieties. The subject matter is basically

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what some of you mentioned could be basically a

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love poem. But we'll see later on how this could

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also shift and change. When we talk about the

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sonnet, we talk about Italy. It originated in? In

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Italy.

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So Italy has given us not only good food, but also

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good poetry and good football. Hopefully, you like

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football. Now, it was the sonnet became very

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famous, became trendy, very fashionable form of

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writing poetry sometime in the 14th century, I

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guess. And it was made very popular by two giants,

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two significant poets. Number one is Dante and

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number two probably more important is called

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Petrarch. Look at the spelling. And then the name

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sounds strange because almost all Italian words

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end in vowels. I don't know why this is different.

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So Petrarch, Petrarch. Petrarch. That's why we

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usually hear about the Petrarchan sonnet. It means

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the Italian sonnet. Now, in Petrarch, we have

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particular features for the sonnet. If you want to

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describe a sonnet as Petrarchan, it has to have

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certain things. We can organize these into three

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categories. Number one, the theme.

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What it is about. Number two, the form.

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The parts, like you said. And number three,

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the rhyme scheme. We defined rhyme before as the

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ending sound or sounds of a line of verse.

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So what's the theme in a Petrarchan sonnet? Can

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you tell?

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So it's about like what is he saying? Like women

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are good, women are bad, women are what exactly

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going on?

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in the Petrarchan sonnet is love. It's a love,

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that's why many people insist on defining the

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sonnet as a 14 line love poem. Because it was

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basically kind of invented to express this love

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relationship, to chase women, to come after them,

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to hunt them down, we see this. So it's a love

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poem. But even this poem, this kind of love theme

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is also special. There's something different. We

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find it in other poems, but here Petrarch usually

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represents the woman as unattainable, cruel and

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heartless. She's cruel and heartless, sometimes

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cannot be reached, cannot be attained. And usually

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the lover is presented as an abject man, a man

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usually doing his best, but failing not because

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he's a loser, but because of the woman, the

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heartless woman.

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And some people might find this very interesting

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in the sense that when you usually express love,

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and strong emotions like love, they usually

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overflow. Remember we spoke about overflowing? And

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putting this in this very tight shape, restricting

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us to 14 lines, that could be limiting sometimes.

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If 14 lines can limit us, wait until you see what

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other rules there should be, what other features

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there should be. Now, the Italian Sonnet or the

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Petrarchan Sonnet It has a particular form. It's

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divided into? Thank you very much. An octave and a

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sester. Easy. Octave means eight, like octopus,

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you know, octopus. Eight. Eight lines.

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Sestet? Six. Okay, thank you. Six lines.

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Now in the first part, what happens in the first

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part, in the opening eight lines? Please. Okay, so

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there is the introduction of, the problem, the

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issue, the crisis, the complications, the issue,

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he's discussing his, what exactly is going on.

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Because many people, like Shakespeare, Shakespeare

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wrote, we'll see this next class, 154 sonnets,

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give or take. Same with Petrarch, I'm not sure how

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many, but he wrote over 200 sonnets. So if this is

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a love poem, and you're saying something about

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your relationship with a woman, why are you saying

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it in 200 different ways? Yeah? It's never enough,

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I don't know. But in the first eight lines, the

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poet exposes us to what's going on, how he feels,

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what's going on. Usually something is wrong. He's

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down. He's not feeling good. He's not optimistic

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about winning the woman. The woman is doing

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something that doesn't help him win her heart. And

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naturally, in the Sestet, we have The solution,

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the kind of answer, the resolution, the closure,

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hopefully sometimes, or the justification. Why

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what happened in the first stanza, the first part

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happened.

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Okay, so look at this. We said 14 lines, and some

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might say, wow, that's very limiting, very strict

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and rigid. And then we say, also, wait a minute.

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The first eight lines, the octave, form one

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part, one particular part. It discusses this

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particular issue. And then the poet kind of

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twists, moves, shifts. to the resolution, usually

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some kind of a closure or a justification

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sometimes in six lines. Now even more limiting is

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the rhyme scheme, the ending sounds. We'll see

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this in a bit of the poem. How it ends. And we

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discussed this before, we mentioned it very

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quickly in Ali Abunayem's poem because the five

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lines ended in I, I, I, I, I sound, we said it

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ended with I. In English, the rhyme in English

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follows, the sounds follow the alphabet, A, B, C,

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D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, I, S, T,

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et cetera, et cetera. Because Arabic is a very

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flexible language. You could read a poem of 2000

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lines ending in the same sound. Hundreds of lines

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could end. Arabic language is said to have 12

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million words. That's a lot. And the second place,

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in the second place comes English with close to

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half a million. Notice the gap? more than 11

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million words. That's why Arabic is a very

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flexible language. English comes second, very

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flexible, but doesn't sometimes come close. So

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usually the first sound, let's work on this before

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we talk about dialect scheme. The first sound,

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whatever it is, Whatever it is, whether the poem

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ends in zero, pizza, salad, morning, class,

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teacher, whatever, the sound or the sounds,

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because sometimes it's not the last sound, the

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last two sounds. We give it A.

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Where did the A come from? The alphabet, the first

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letter from the alphabet. You should know this

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because you need to do it in your exams. Now, we

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look at the second line, the ending of the second

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line. If it repeats the same sound or sounds as

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the first line, another A. No, we go back to the

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alphabet. The next one is B.

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That's more saw. That's another B. Behind. A. And

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then we have mind, wind. Okay, we'll see this in a

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bit. Another A, a four, therefore, B. Look at

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this. If you look at this word and compare it with

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this or this.

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or this, they look similar. The last three

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letters, I-N-D, I-N-D, I-N-D, they are the same.

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But it's not the letters we care about. It's the

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sounds. It's the sounds. So hind or ind in middle

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English. And then we have here behind. and then

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mine but this one this is now by the way the verb

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is wind when something you know but this is the

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noun wind wind it looks the same but it sounds

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different we call this an imperfect rhyme or

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sometimes I rhyme. I rhyme. You look at it. It

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sounds the same. You read it. It's not the same.

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It's not the same. Now there is an issue here.

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Some people might give this like some kind of

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poetic license, you know, and would say something

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like probably the poet originally pronounced it

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wine just to make it look more musical or perhaps

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in the past 500 years ago it was pronounced wine

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but now we don't say wine so we say win in this

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case we'll give it an imperfect rhyme and I

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usually use the small letter so that's why I like

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you to use the capital letter this is my thing

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Capital, capital, capital, and then to indicate an

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imperfect rhyme, go for small. And we will always

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ask the question, why is there an imperfect rhyme?

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Because there's a reason behind everything in a

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poem. Everything counts. Okay, so basically this

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is the first part. This is the octave, the eight

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lines, the opening. And they kind of mirror each

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other. Yeah? A, B, B, A, A, B, B, A. It's very

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musical. Although the sound A, B, B, A, A, B, B, A

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is not what we hear. We hear the sounds hind, mo,

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mo, hind, mind, fore, fore and wind. And then this

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is different, a different sound. Doubt. Doubt. We

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go to the alphabet. What's after B? C. Doubt.

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Vein, plane, D, D, about. Look at this. This is a

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silent letter. That's why we care about the

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sounds. And then about is yet another, another C.

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There's one line missing. Okay. So the last line

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here, C, D, D, C. Am, you know, am, we say am. For

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Caesars, I am.

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Did we get the last line?

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Yup. So the last line, the last two lines, am is?

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and then and then that's tame tame I think it's

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another imperfect rhyme scheme so let's go back

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again because we have a smaller screen now we have

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high a B, B, A, A, B, B, imperfect, C, D, D, C, E,

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E. One imperfect rhyme, two imperfect rhymes.

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Because this is M, this is the sounds, the

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phonemic transcription, but team is

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Same with this one, this is Ind, for example Hind,

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but mind is, wind is just wind

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This is how you get the rhyme scheme from a poem,

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from a stanza. Usually, if we move to a new stanza

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in the poem, we begin again, we go back to the A,

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but the sonnet is written in one block, so we just

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continue counting.

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Okay, so the Petrarchan Sonnet has a special rhyme

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scheme. Do you know it? What it is? What is it?

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Please. Okay, so the rhyme scheme is What should I

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write it? So the rhyme scheme for the Petrarchan

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sonnet is A B B A A

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B B A Say

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again Okay,

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A B B A Yet again, A B B A Yes or no?

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I'm talking about the Petrarchan sonnet.

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Petrarchan sonnet rhymes A B B A A B B A. What

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about the assistant?

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Okay, so we could go for C D E C D E R C, D, C, D,

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C, D. This is Petrarch.

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Listen, the Italian sonnet itself has 11 syllables

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in every line. Look at how strict and rigid this

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is. It's highly calculated. It's tightly

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structured. The sounds, the rhymes, the lines.

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Even the syllables. And this is what makes the

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sonnet different. It's not only the theme. It's

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not only sometimes the number of lines. And that's

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why many people describe it as a rigid form of

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poetry. And these rules, by the way, make the

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sonnet a difficult kind of poem to write.

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because you were surrounded by rules from all.

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It's not just, okay, I want to write a 14-line

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poem. Wait a minute. The number of syllables, the

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number of the structure, the rhyme scheme, the

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form, et cetera.

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Now, in the Renaissance, whether in Italy or in

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England, it became a fashion. The sun, it became a

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fashionable trend. And that's why almost all major

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poets wrote sonnets. It's like now when one of

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your friends doesn't have an account on Twitter or

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Instagram. It's like, what? And it was a show off.

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I know people who start all their conversations by

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like, I have 10K on Twitter. I have 15K on

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Instagram. I think in the past it was like, I

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wrote sonnets. You know, I wrote a sonnet last, in

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my sonnet last time, I did this and that. In my

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sonnet to Laura, this Petrarch, he was writing to

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Laura, sometimes pronounced as Laura, Italian

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musical way. So this sonnet kind of migrated to

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England, or was brought to England, depending on

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how you like to look at things. If you think that

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the sonnet is like an organism, a human being, Did

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it migrate or was it brought, imported? Is it a

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product? I like to use the word migrate,

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migrating. How it migrated from one place to

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another. Now Sir Thomas Wyatt, the guy who wrote

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this poem, and Henry Howard, they brought it to

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England. And England always had this problem with

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Europe. Because all the good things originated in

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Europe, in the continent, not in England itself.

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Even football that the English claim to have

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invented, they have won the World Cup only once

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and they are always beaten up. So this inferiority

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complex, let me say, is, and again probably some

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people complain, connect this to Brexit nowadays.

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It's like the English want to be different. They

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wanted to write things their own way, but

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eventually they end up borrowing the sonnet,

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borrowing even the novel, even classical drama.

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Everything is not originally British. Not many

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things are originally British, maybe except

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imperialism and colonialism and evil and bad food.

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So what I'm saying here is that when Sir Thomas

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Wyatt brought this small, beautiful, baby poem to

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England, he adopted it. I'm sorry for the extended

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metaphors. It sounds stupid now. Okay? And he

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tried to make it a little bit English. You know,

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when somebody copies your homework, you say, just

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copy it so it doesn't sound you're plagiarizing.

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So he changed a little bit about it. He introduced

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something at the end. The couplet, the two rhyming

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lines. So today we know we have the octave, eight

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lines, the sextet, six lines and also the couplet.

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Two rhyming lines. This is necessary. It's

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necessary to say two rhyming lines, not all

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couples of lines are couplets. They should rhyme.

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And some people insist that they should be about

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one idea, sometimes one image.

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The question is, is this poem by Sir Thomas Wyatt

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a Petrarchan sonnet? Or not? Has he changed

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anything? What did he change and where? Somebody

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please read. Read the poem. Please. Who saw less

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to hunt? I know where is the night. But as far

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from me, alas, I may know more. The vain travel

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hath wearied me so sore. I am of them that

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farthest sunk behind. Yet may I by no means my

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weary mind I draw from the deer, but as she fleeth

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afore painting, I follow. I leave off, therefore,

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since in a net I seek to hold the wind. Who list

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her hunt, I put him out of doubt. As well as I may

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spend his time in vain and graven with diamonds in

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letters plain, there is written her phrenic

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roundabout.

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Okay,

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good reading. One more, please. Can you speak up?

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Where is Anaheim?

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But as for me, alas, I may no more. The vain

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travail hath wearied me so sure. I am of them that

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far this cometh behind. Again, yet may I be no

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means my wearied mind. Draw from the deer, but as

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she plays at once, painting I follow. I leave off

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therefore. Since in a myth I seek to hold to it.

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Okay,

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one more please, finally. And I know where it can

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hide. But as for me, alas, I may know more. The

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vain travail hath wearied me so sore. I am of them

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that hardest cometh behind. Yet may I by no means

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my weary mind draw from the deer. But as she

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fleeth afore, fainting, I follow. I leave off,

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therefore, since in a net I seek to hold the wind.

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Who list her hunt, I put him out of doubt, as well

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as I may spend most of his time in vain. Engraven

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with diamonds and letters plain, there is written,

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prepare next roundabout. Money me tender, for

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Caesar's I am, and wild boar to hold. Okay, nice

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readings, thank you very much.

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Now, before we comment on the poem, there are many

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things to notice. This is, by the way, a

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modernized version of the original text. I tried

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to use words that correspond with today's English,

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but still there are words like kamith, but it's

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two syllables actually, like Rahaf said, kamith.

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even fleeth fleeth this is and hath hath this is

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hath this is comes this is flees middle English

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they use th for he she it that was replaced long

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time ago by s today we say she has she goes she

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flees she runs In the past it was fleeth, cumth,

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heth, the th. The other thing to notice is the

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Latin here in the last two lines. Noli, me,

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actually there are many readings for this, but

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many dictionary online say Noli, me, tangiri.

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making it one, two, three, four, five, six

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syllables. No limitangere. Although I love the no

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limitangere, the Italian way of saying it.

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Anything else to notice?

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Language-wise. So that's it. This is all the

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middle English have, comes and please. Now what is

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this about? What is the poet saying? Can you

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guess? Look at the pronouns, the people, the

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characters in the poem. And probably you could

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have noticed this. We don't say an honest

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nowadays, yeah? An honest. But today we say hind.

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Hind, it means a deer, yeah? Gazelle. So basically

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probably in the past, the H could have been

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silent, like it's silent in honor, in hour, you

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know, and honest, etc On YouTube, many people say

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Anhein, it reads well, but I guess it should be

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Anhein It's heavy to pronounce But you can make it

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not heavy, Anhein, but I would go for Anhein If I

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will pronounce it as Hein, why should I use

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Anhein?

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That's why, that's why, okay? So this is basically

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why we have the N for the vowel that follows. The

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H is not a vowel sound. And there's a big story

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about the H and how, why is it, why is the H

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silent in our and honest and honor? Why? And why

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it's not silent somewhere else? And by the way,

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It's sometimes you will read something like and.

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And this is strange because we say history,

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historic and historical. Both are correct. You

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could say and or a. And I know some people who

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just want to show off that they know they have the

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depth of you know. The language, so they say, they

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write an historical. It's like, wait a minute,

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there's a typo here. No, both are okay. But if you

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say an, it should be an historical.

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ahistorical the same with hysterical and

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hysterical or some anyway so this is probably the

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H sound must have been a heavy sound to pronounce

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and I know people I met an American woman who

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couldn't say Ahmed even Ahmed Ahmed it's not like

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the how we have in Arabic anyway so what's going

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on in the poem what's what what is it about what

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is the poet talking about please

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Okay,

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so it's about hunting Okay,

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so he doesn't directly say a woman although he

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uses the pronouns her and she To pass you know

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personify The deer here, the hind. So is this

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about hunting or is this about hunting women?

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Please.

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Okay, so the extended metaphor here is that

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falling in love is like hunting. Sometimes you

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win, sometimes you hunt what you're after,

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sometimes you go back home empty-handed. More.

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Okay,

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I know where you're going. Let's not go outside

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the text for now. What is the text telling us?

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This is what I care about. The history, listen,

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the history, the background of the poem might be

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interesting. It could help us, you know, further

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understand aspects of the poem. But let's assume

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that this is what we have. Please.

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So is

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it about hunting? That's my question. What is it

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about? Please. The poet is using a hunting

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metaphor to describe a suitor who is trying to win

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the affection of another woman and here again we

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have the lover who is doing his best but the woman

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is cruel and he just can't get her. So the woman

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is the deer and he tried to hunt her over and over

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but she just keeps escaping and he keeps falling

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By the way, this is a poem from the perspective of

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a man. He's saying she keeps running away. He's

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not saying I'm a loser. Although sometimes he

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indicates that he doesn't follow, he leaves off,

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he gives up. But he doesn't say because I'm a

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loser or I'm a good guy. It's because she's wild.

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She's wild. So can you describe this as a love

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poem? It talks about unattainable love, and I do

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believe this, and he describes the woman as, okay,

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a deer, and he describes her as wild, though tame,

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so this means that there is some kind of, yes, I

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want to maybe come to you or something, but still,

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she's restricted by something that the poet

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himself does not know. I just want to say

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something that maybe this metaphor could be

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extended even more to say that this woman or this

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deer can be actually The poem itself. How's that?

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Let's go back to this probably at the end of the

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class. But the point is here, can you describe

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this as a love poem? We don't have much

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information, let's say. We only know that this is

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a sonnet written by Sir Thomas White, an

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Englishman in the first half of the 16th century,

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the Renaissance period before Shakespeare.

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You said here this is unattainable love, love that

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can't be. Please. I think it is just giving

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justifications because we don't listen to the two

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points of view. You just listen to him and he's

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giving justifications for giving up his love.

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Okay. He shows his love to her somewhere in the

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poem. Does he show somewhere? He describes her as

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Beautiful, you know, the fair neck. She's a deer.

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She's not a crow, a raven, or I don't know, a wild

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cat. She's a deer. Yeah.

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So he's searching for the right suitor, the right

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partner possibly. Okay. And may I by no means my

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weird mind that it can't stop thinking about me.

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But his mind is weird. He's tired. He's giving up.

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And also he is saying, who's soulless to hunt? I

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00:37:24,010 --> 00:37:27,830
know where is a lion. Whoever wants to hunt, I can

489
00:37:27,830 --> 00:37:32,470
tell you where you can find a deer. So you can

490
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:36,550
hunt here. That's giving up. That's horrible, by

491
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:41,400
the way. In the age of me too, this is This is mad

492
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,840
and sad, yeah? Because clearly we'll talk about

493
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,600
this in a bit. The woman seems to be saying no,

494
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:54,060
rejecting him, turning him down. But this is a man

495
00:37:54,060 --> 00:37:58,400
who is not only insisting on having her, pushing

496
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,840
further after having his advances rejected. This

497
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,000
is a man who is telling other men to hunt this

498
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:12,380
woman, to go after her. Horrible, horrible. You

499
00:38:12,380 --> 00:38:14,080
know, no is no, right? Please?

500
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:27,160
Don't we

501
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,520
do this all the time? Don't we compare people we

502
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,000
love to certain animals? Does it mean they are

503
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,580
animals or we hate them?

504
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:43,690
Because when you put it this way he compares her

505
00:38:43,690 --> 00:38:47,790
to an animal Wow don't do this, but a deer is kind

506
00:38:47,790 --> 00:38:53,690
of unacceptable image Even

507
00:38:53,690 --> 00:38:57,410
dogs sometimes in certain situations can be can be

508
00:38:57,410 --> 00:39:01,570
positive. Yeah More

509
00:39:01,570 --> 00:39:03,590
More

510
00:39:05,450 --> 00:39:07,510
Can we take this, simply speaking, can we take

511
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:09,630
this under, does it go under the umbrella of a

512
00:39:09,630 --> 00:39:12,990
love poem? If you want to categorize it. I think

513
00:39:12,990 --> 00:39:15,870
yeah. Maybe it's not reciprocated, you know?

514
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:19,710
There's no loving back. So the theme here is,

515
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:20,430
sorry?

516
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:25,810
Okay, so we have here the theme,

517
00:39:28,750 --> 00:39:31,510
probably courtly love.

518
00:39:35,310 --> 00:39:39,670
What about the form? Before the form, maybe you

519
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:41,010
can talk about the rhyme scheme.

520
00:39:43,870 --> 00:39:50,890
Quickly. The rhyme scheme is here. So it is A, B,

521
00:39:51,110 --> 00:40:00,680
B, A, A, B, B, A. That's Petrarch. And then C, D,

522
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:08,680
D, C, E, E. Okay, if you want to insist on the

523
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:16,760
imperfect rhyme, it could go like this. So is the

524
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,440
rhyme scheme a Petrarchan rhyme scheme?

525
00:40:23,060 --> 00:40:27,770
Usually in Petrarch, we don't, I think, Very few

526
00:40:27,770 --> 00:40:30,030
Petrarchan sonnets have the rhyming couplet at the

527
00:40:30,030 --> 00:40:33,690
end. So it's not something characteristic of

528
00:40:33,690 --> 00:40:38,690
Petrarch. The rhyming couplet at the end is an

529
00:40:38,690 --> 00:40:43,090
English thing. Some English poets introduced it,

530
00:40:43,250 --> 00:40:46,390
but it was made so popular by Shakespeare. We'll

531
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:52,010
see next class. Okay? So while the octave might

532
00:40:52,010 --> 00:40:53,570
sound Petrarchan,

533
00:40:55,970 --> 00:41:03,590
The cystate is not at least 100% Petrarchum. So

534
00:41:03,590 --> 00:41:09,470
how is this divided? It depends. I could go for

535
00:41:09,470 --> 00:41:14,050
octave, quadrant, couplet. Like you could count it

536
00:41:14,050 --> 00:41:17,310
this way, like we have four, eight lines, four

537
00:41:17,310 --> 00:41:22,140
lines, two lines. This is the octave. This is the

538
00:41:22,140 --> 00:41:24,860
quatrain. This is a new word maybe to some of you.

539
00:41:25,140 --> 00:41:27,680
Quatrain from quarter means four, four lines. So

540
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:32,520
we have couplet, quatrain, sextet and octave and

541
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:37,580
then the couplet. Which makes it different from

542
00:41:37,580 --> 00:41:41,080
Petrarch. Or you just could go simply for eight

543
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,420
lines, six lines ending in a couplet.

544
00:41:46,590 --> 00:41:48,810
But the rhyme scheme is a little bit different

545
00:41:48,810 --> 00:41:54,630
from Petrarch, especially that we have, we have a

546
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:58,850
couplet here. So he's, the theme, almost the same,

547
00:41:59,550 --> 00:42:02,650
the rhyme scheme, almost the same. The theme is

548
00:42:02,650 --> 00:42:05,470
probably typically Petrarchan because this is a

549
00:42:05,470 --> 00:42:10,600
lover who's giving up. We pity him. Yeah, haram,

550
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,240
she's cruel, she's heartless. But he is, you know,

551
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,080
he's doing his best. Look at him, he's writing

552
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,120
sonnets. But because of her cruelty, he's giving

553
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:25,240
up. So probably this is pure Petrarchan theme. The

554
00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:28,940
rhyme scheme is not 100% Petrarchan, which means

555
00:42:28,940 --> 00:42:31,680
the form or the structure of the sonnet is also

556
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,000
not 100% Petrarchan. But again, it depends on how

557
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,540
you want to divide it. I leave this to you. If you

558
00:42:38,540 --> 00:42:41,380
want to divide it into eight, four, two, I'll

559
00:42:41,380 --> 00:42:44,620
accept that. If you want to divide it into eight,

560
00:42:44,900 --> 00:42:47,720
six, I'll also take that. But don't forget that we

561
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:52,340
have here a rhyming couplet, which is an English

562
00:42:52,340 --> 00:42:56,460
thing. So if you want to answer the question

563
00:42:56,460 --> 00:42:58,820
whether this is a Petrarchan sonnet or not, many

564
00:42:58,820 --> 00:43:02,700
people would easily say yes. And many people will

565
00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:06,260
say yes with just a little kind of change. But

566
00:43:06,260 --> 00:43:11,260
it's not 100% Petrarchan. And this is the tiny

567
00:43:11,260 --> 00:43:13,840
little thing the English poets wanted to introduce

568
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,280
to the sonnet. We'll see how Shakespeare does to

569
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,970
the sonnet later on. Okay, something before we

570
00:43:19,970 --> 00:43:26,650
move? Yes. Please. I would say that we can push a

571
00:43:26,650 --> 00:43:31,070
theme in love because I think even any words like

572
00:43:31,070 --> 00:43:35,330
fun or dear still this is a love story. And I

573
00:43:35,330 --> 00:43:37,290
think this is what usually happens in love

574
00:43:37,290 --> 00:43:39,290
stories. There is that kind of

575
00:43:43,290 --> 00:43:46,090
Uh-huh.

576
00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:01,780
That's a very interesting question. Is the woman

577
00:44:01,780 --> 00:44:04,540
pretending to say no because, and this is horrible

578
00:44:04,540 --> 00:44:07,920
by the way, but also is the man saying I'm giving

579
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,680
up just to make her pity him and have him back?

580
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,580
It's like, oh no, no, no, I'm just kidding or

581
00:44:13,580 --> 00:44:17,380
something. This is, I leave this for you, but

582
00:44:17,380 --> 00:44:19,320
let's not again accuse every woman of just

583
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,040
pretending deep in her heart that she wants to say

584
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,840
yes, but she's saying no because, this is a

585
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:29,040
horrible idea, please. Interesting, yes we can

586
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,080
classify it under the love category but at the

587
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,100
same time I don't think he's really in love

588
00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:40,800
because usually the term, in English there's a

589
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,100
term called husband hunting, I never heard about

590
00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:46,920
wife hunting, it's, it's, you know usually There's

591
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,220
always wife hunting It's like, no, but usually the

592
00:44:51,220 --> 00:44:56,970
term they use also wife hunting what's wrong for

593
00:44:56,970 --> 00:45:00,030
women who just want to get any husband especially

594
00:45:00,030 --> 00:45:02,810
if he was a rich husband like back then in their

595
00:45:02,810 --> 00:45:08,890
age okay so he's using so the word hunting in this

596
00:45:08,890 --> 00:45:12,850
context usually has a negative meaning and when we

597
00:45:12,850 --> 00:45:15,910
hunt something down we usually hunt it because we

598
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:19,570
either want it needed to survive or in their case

599
00:45:19,570 --> 00:45:23,230
they used hunt for pleasure to show off because

600
00:45:23,230 --> 00:45:28,910
they are rich people a trophy you know she's a

601
00:45:28,910 --> 00:45:33,610
trophy okay interesting although in like

602
00:45:33,610 --> 00:45:36,970
traditional societies like ours in the Middle East

603
00:45:36,970 --> 00:45:43,030
here there's always wife hunting okay so if you

604
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:46,370
look at the text there's a huge difference between

605
00:45:46,370 --> 00:45:48,830
the woman and the man

606
00:45:51,690 --> 00:45:53,570
There's a huge difference in the representation.

607
00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:56,550
It's probably not clear, but we can comment on

608
00:45:56,550 --> 00:46:01,510
this. How many people are there in the text?

609
00:46:03,090 --> 00:46:05,030
Please. Who are they?

610
00:46:08,190 --> 00:46:13,430
Let's say poet, be more specific. The hind, who's

611
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:19,110
the hind, the deer? The woman? Very good. Caesar,

612
00:46:19,250 --> 00:46:20,750
where would you put Caesar, here or here?

613
00:46:24,860 --> 00:46:30,840
Caesar is here. Also, who else is there? Thank you

614
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:35,180
very much. The other hunters, the other men.

615
00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:39,180
There's also the speaker. It's not always mixed

616
00:46:39,180 --> 00:46:41,920
between the speaker and the poet. The poet is the

617
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,540
man whose name appears next to the poem, but the

618
00:46:44,540 --> 00:46:47,600
speaker is the persona there. It could be

619
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,500
fictional sometimes. Sometimes they are the same.

620
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,360
Sometimes they are not. The speaker in the text.

621
00:46:54,730 --> 00:46:59,090
So this is a poem dominated by men.

622
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:04,290
And the woman, somebody said here, is talked

623
00:47:04,290 --> 00:47:10,830
about. And she is objectified, she's an object of

624
00:47:10,830 --> 00:47:15,930
desire. People want her, not because of something

625
00:47:15,930 --> 00:47:19,950
in her mind or heart, just because she's

626
00:47:19,950 --> 00:47:23,670
beautiful, fair, she's fair, she's beautiful.

627
00:47:28,450 --> 00:47:34,650
Meaning the woman's voice is weak or not there.

628
00:47:37,410 --> 00:47:41,210
Let me ask this in other words. Is the

629
00:47:41,210 --> 00:47:43,490
representation of the woman positive or negative?

630
00:47:44,050 --> 00:47:45,910
Do you like the way the woman is introduced to us

631
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:50,320
or not? Okay, why? I heard somebody say positive.

632
00:47:51,340 --> 00:47:55,140
So it doesn't have to be 100% positive, 100%

633
00:47:55,140 --> 00:47:57,920
negative. Is it both? Where can you see good

634
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,060
representation of the woman? Where can you see

635
00:48:00,060 --> 00:48:02,120
good representation? How does this give a good

636
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,260
image about the woman or women in general in that

637
00:48:04,260 --> 00:48:08,660
age? Quickly, please. I think it is a negative

638
00:48:08,660 --> 00:48:11,900
representation. My question, where do you see a

639
00:48:11,900 --> 00:48:14,460
positive representation of the woman or women in

640
00:48:14,460 --> 00:48:18,510
the poem? We'll come to the negative later on. So

641
00:48:18,510 --> 00:48:20,090
Fernick, if you describe a woman as beautiful,

642
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:24,250
that's something good? The physical appearance? Is

643
00:48:24,250 --> 00:48:25,590
it more important than other things?

644
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:33,670
Where is the woman positively depicted in the

645
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:40,730
poem? Please. Yeah. Remember we said that women

646
00:48:42,510 --> 00:48:45,650
were weak, are weak. It's described like this all

647
00:48:45,650 --> 00:48:48,170
the time, that men are strong and intellectual and

648
00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:51,350
tough, but women are not. That's sentimental, the

649
00:48:51,350 --> 00:48:53,950
stupid distinction. But here, the woman is

650
00:48:53,950 --> 00:48:58,150
resisting the man's advances. She's saying, no.

651
00:48:58,970 --> 00:49:02,070
And she's insisting on saying, no. She's rejecting

652
00:49:02,070 --> 00:49:06,010
him. And this very act is significant. It shows

653
00:49:06,010 --> 00:49:09,780
how strong and independent this woman is. Nice.

654
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:14,900
What else? What other positive things can you

655
00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:19,540
find? Please. What other positive things? I'm

656
00:49:19,540 --> 00:49:21,000
coming to the negative things. I know what you

657
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,100
want to talk about. But what other positive things

658
00:49:23,100 --> 00:49:27,640
can you see in the poem about the woman? Do you

659
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:28,360
want to be this woman?

660
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,940
Okay, so that's why, what I'm talking about. The

661
00:49:34,940 --> 00:49:37,280
maybe here means because there's something good

662
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,320
that might make you identify with here. Please.

663
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,060
Very good.

664
00:49:47,900 --> 00:49:50,800
Okay, so why, why do you think the last two lines,

665
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:51,280
the couplet?

666
00:49:56,740 --> 00:50:02,980
Okay, what does that indicate? Aha, nice. So even

667
00:50:02,980 --> 00:50:09,260
the king himself can't own them. Why? No? You're

668
00:50:09,260 --> 00:50:11,720
contradicting yourself here because the very

669
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:17,540
couplet says, for Caesar's I am, meaning I belong

670
00:50:17,540 --> 00:50:21,080
to Caesar. The apostrophe S here is significant.

671
00:50:25,130 --> 00:50:29,670
Though, so she's saying, I seem tame like all

672
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:34,530
women might be, might do, but I am wild,

673
00:50:34,850 --> 00:50:38,630
uncontrollable. I can't be controlled by men.

674
00:50:38,890 --> 00:50:42,570
That's also a declaration of resistance from the

675
00:50:42,570 --> 00:50:46,850
woman's part. Wild, withhold, it's like she's hard

676
00:50:46,850 --> 00:50:48,530
to get. To catch.

677
00:50:53,220 --> 00:50:58,560
Okay, that's nice. Other positive things? Yes, I

678
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,740
like the way that the decision in this

679
00:51:01,740 --> 00:51:05,660
relationship maybe or in this love story is

680
00:51:05,660 --> 00:51:10,920
related to the woman. That if she wants to be in

681
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,440
this, she will say yes. She is the center of this

682
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:15,820
relationship. Yes, she is the center and the

683
00:51:15,820 --> 00:51:19,320
decision is with her. I like this. Okay, nice. Who

684
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:24,380
thinks this is negative? What don't you like? in

685
00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:27,380
this poem representation of the woman how she is

686
00:51:27,380 --> 00:51:30,940
depicted please I feel like the voice of the woman

687
00:51:30,940 --> 00:51:34,240
is not here like she didn't have her idea she

688
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:36,760
didn't explain what she thinks about this

689
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:41,190
relationship she is just escaping Okay, but here

690
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:44,590
Amina is suggesting that the very act of running

691
00:51:44,590 --> 00:51:46,710
away and rejecting and saying no is an act of

692
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:48,530
resistance at that time, but you're saying that

693
00:51:48,530 --> 00:51:52,190
she should at least confront this man as the

694
00:51:52,190 --> 00:51:57,110
lover, the hunter, pretending, like saying go away

695
00:51:57,110 --> 00:51:59,150
directly, but isn't running,

696
00:52:01,710 --> 00:52:07,850
like in a way, like running away is also an act of

697
00:52:07,850 --> 00:52:09,390
resistance here, please.

698
00:52:14,140 --> 00:52:16,180
Okay, you're saying as an object. Where in the

699
00:52:16,180 --> 00:52:18,240
poem does it show that she's an object?

700
00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:23,200
Where is that? Very good. Where is that?

701
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,160
Where is her appearance in the first line?

702
00:52:31,300 --> 00:52:34,580
Okay, when he used the hind to say this woman is

703
00:52:34,580 --> 00:52:37,700
like a hind, like a beautiful deer. But also she's

704
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:40,100
fair. Fair means beautiful. And look at how he

705
00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:42,740
spoke about himself. Mine. The man is

706
00:52:42,740 --> 00:52:47,070
intellectual. But the woman is beautiful, the

707
00:52:47,070 --> 00:52:51,810
appearance, and wild also. She is what? She is

708
00:52:51,810 --> 00:52:58,310
unattainable, cruel, heartless. Okay? Now, I'm not

709
00:52:58,310 --> 00:53:04,130
sure if some of you noticed here, the couplet is

710
00:53:04,130 --> 00:53:09,530
not what the woman says. I know some people take

711
00:53:09,530 --> 00:53:13,110
the couplet as evidence that the woman is strong,

712
00:53:13,250 --> 00:53:17,050
independent, but no, it doesn't say the woman

713
00:53:17,050 --> 00:53:19,930
says, the woman replies. So I agree the woman is

714
00:53:19,930 --> 00:53:26,070
silent or silenced. Huge difference. It is written

715
00:53:26,070 --> 00:53:28,910
passive voice indicating how inactive, how passive

716
00:53:28,910 --> 00:53:31,250
she is. She doesn't even talk. She's not allowed

717
00:53:31,250 --> 00:53:33,890
to talk to people. There is something written

718
00:53:33,890 --> 00:53:39,100
around her neck, possibly written by Caesar or the

719
00:53:39,100 --> 00:53:41,840
King. You know you'll read about King Henry VIII

720
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,740
and Anne Boleyn, what's her name, and the history

721
00:53:44,740 --> 00:53:48,570
about this, which might be interesting. to

722
00:53:48,570 --> 00:53:51,170
understanding the text, but this is enough. So for

723
00:53:51,170 --> 00:53:54,090
Caesars, I am, and even this, I belong to Caesar.

724
00:53:54,190 --> 00:53:57,970
I am the property. Yes, he's treated as property,

725
00:53:58,350 --> 00:54:01,290
as an object of admiration. Even when the man is,

726
00:54:01,310 --> 00:54:04,410
you know, fed up, he says, hey, anyone? Anyone?

727
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:06,830
Want a woman? Want a woman? I know where you can

728
00:54:06,830 --> 00:54:09,770
find one. And he's insisting on this. Who lists

729
00:54:09,770 --> 00:54:14,930
her hunt? I put him out of doubt as well as I may

730
00:54:14,930 --> 00:54:16,970
spend his time in vain. But it's going to be in

731
00:54:16,970 --> 00:54:19,590
vain because she's wild. She's cruel. She's

732
00:54:19,590 --> 00:54:22,590
heartless. She probably, she's senseless also. She

733
00:54:22,590 --> 00:54:24,550
doesn't love, she doesn't have a heart. She

734
00:54:24,550 --> 00:54:29,650
doesn't love back. She doesn't care. And this is

735
00:54:29,650 --> 00:54:32,450
negative. So women generally are represented as

736
00:54:32,450 --> 00:54:34,750
sentimental and emotional, but when it comes to

737
00:54:34,750 --> 00:54:37,840
love, they don't love back. And this is, again,

738
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,500
very interesting because, again, this is the frame

739
00:54:41,500 --> 00:54:46,500
that a man is putting on a woman. The man wants

740
00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:49,940
the woman to behave in this particular way, wants

741
00:54:49,940 --> 00:54:53,700
to control the woman, wants her to behave in the

742
00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:56,620
way he likes, whenever he wants, wherever he

743
00:54:56,620 --> 00:55:04,700
wants. But again, I think some of you might like

744
00:55:04,700 --> 00:55:07,800
to say that The representation of the woman is a

745
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,520
lot better than many representations of women in

746
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,460
other poems at that time. This is a little bit,

747
00:55:14,980 --> 00:55:18,000
this is a step forward. This is a step forward.

748
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,840
This is not a woman submitting to the wills and

749
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:27,140
wishes of the advances of man. Okay, brief.

750
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:52,780
But sadly we don't hear her say this. We don't

751
00:55:52,780 --> 00:55:57,710
hear her say this. She doesn't talk, she doesn't

752
00:55:57,710 --> 00:55:59,230
speak, she's silent.

753
00:56:03,450 --> 00:56:08,610
Probably a

754
00:56:08,610 --> 00:56:12,970
sign of rejecting. She doesn't say, I love Caesar,

755
00:56:14,430 --> 00:56:19,290
I am in love with Caesar, I am owned by Caesar, to

756
00:56:19,290 --> 00:56:20,070
be more specific.

757
00:56:28,220 --> 00:56:33,040
I like this. Thank you very much. She's controlled

758
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,000
from the neck. She's a slave. She's enslaved here.

759
00:56:37,020 --> 00:56:42,440
Now, can we trace the features of that age in the

760
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:47,640
poem? Basically, we do. And this is what we will

761
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,820
be doing. We'll try to understand the age from the

762
00:56:49,820 --> 00:56:53,350
poem, not vice versa. So please don't read the

763
00:56:53,350 --> 00:56:55,250
history of the poem and the poet and his mom and

764
00:56:55,250 --> 00:56:57,690
his mother-in-law, what he liked, what he didn't

765
00:56:57,690 --> 00:57:00,610
like. Let's see what the poem tells us. So it

766
00:57:00,610 --> 00:57:02,530
tells us that the sonnet here was a fashionable

767
00:57:02,530 --> 00:57:07,190
trend. And it tells us that women were presented

768
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:08,190
in a particular way.

769
00:57:11,570 --> 00:57:14,530
Mainly negative, as objects of desire, to be

770
00:57:14,530 --> 00:57:20,110
hunted. Voiceless, heartless, senseless, even

771
00:57:20,110 --> 00:57:24,780
mindless. And the man is more superior to the

772
00:57:24,780 --> 00:57:28,800
woman. More intellectual. He writes, he is

773
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,540
dominant. Men dominate. They hunt, they chase,

774
00:57:33,780 --> 00:57:39,680
they write. Sorry? They control. Women are the

775
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:44,380
object. They are the do's here. There's something

776
00:57:44,380 --> 00:57:46,880
I love, something else I love about the poem.

777
00:57:48,260 --> 00:57:52,980
Basically this line. You want to talk about this

778
00:57:52,980 --> 00:57:55,820
line? Look at what's going on. Draw from the deer,

779
00:57:56,020 --> 00:58:00,700
but as she fleeth afore, fainting, I follow. I

780
00:58:00,700 --> 00:58:02,180
leave off therefore. Please.

781
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,460
Thank you very much. Look at this. Fainting.

782
00:58:07,620 --> 00:58:11,420
Again, look at this man panting, running for a

783
00:58:11,420 --> 00:58:14,400
while and then he's giving up and he's like, who's

784
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,380
who? Let's go hunt. I know where's the knife. This

785
00:58:16,380 --> 00:58:20,720
panting is mirrored. in the repetition of the fa

786
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:25,740
fa fa sound and other friction sounds this is

787
00:58:25,740 --> 00:58:30,380
called alliteration and it doesn't only create

788
00:58:30,380 --> 00:58:37,060
music it also creates mirrors what's going on what

789
00:58:37,060 --> 00:58:42,280
else what's

790
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:42,560
this

791
00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:49,120
A caesura, there is a break. So the full stop,

792
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:53,920
what does it say? Taking a

793
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:59,860
break, stopping. In old English, there was a space

794
00:58:59,860 --> 00:59:02,480
in the middle of the line like classical Arabic

795
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,400
poetry. It's called a caesura, the break, the gap.

796
00:59:05,150 --> 00:59:09,070
But later on, this changed into punctuation marks,

797
00:59:09,350 --> 00:59:11,490
the false stop, the comma. Here, there is a

798
00:59:11,490 --> 00:59:13,550
physical that says you are in the very middle of

799
00:59:13,550 --> 00:59:16,150
the line. By the way, if you count the syllables,

800
00:59:16,370 --> 00:59:18,710
you'll find most lines, many lines, I think half

801
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:22,610
of them have 11 syllables, closer to Petrarch than

802
00:59:22,610 --> 00:59:25,230
English. We'll see in Shakespeare, they are almost

803
00:59:25,230 --> 00:59:29,370
all 10 lines. So, fainting I follow. There's a

804
00:59:29,370 --> 00:59:32,270
contradiction here. The man is lying. He hasn't

805
00:59:32,270 --> 00:59:35,760
done his best. He says, fainting, I follow and he

806
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,920
stops. He doesn't follow. He stops following. He's

807
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:46,990
a quitter. I leave off therefore and then I leave

808
00:59:46,990 --> 00:59:50,790
off therefore since look at this beautiful image

809
00:59:50,790 --> 00:59:54,090
here since in the original text there's some other

810
00:59:54,090 --> 00:59:59,970
ugly word since in a net I seek to hold the wind

811
00:59:59,970 --> 01:00:03,510
sounds like a cliche today but perhaps in the past

812
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:03,810
yeah

813
01:00:09,210 --> 01:00:13,510
Okay, hunting this woman is as impossible as

814
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:19,170
hunting wind, holding wind in the palm of your

815
01:00:19,170 --> 01:00:19,590
hand.

816
01:00:29,830 --> 01:00:34,690
It's useless, it's futile. The vain prevail, in

817
01:00:34,690 --> 01:00:37,810
vain. Also the word vain means something else,

818
01:00:37,890 --> 01:00:43,370
proud. One of them is arrogant, is proud. Okay,

819
01:00:43,470 --> 01:00:47,510
we'll discuss other things related to the poem in

820
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:52,310
this list of questions. Look at this list, please.

821
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:57,050
We kind of answered and addressed some of them.

822
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,560
How does the poem reflect its age? What can you

823
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,580
say about the age from reading the poem? How does

824
01:01:06,580 --> 01:01:10,180
the poem create a particular image of women? Is it

825
01:01:10,180 --> 01:01:15,880
positive? Where? Where is it positive, where is it

826
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,640
negative? What type of sonnet is this? What is the

827
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,840
rhyme scheme of the poem? The sonnet, again, like

828
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,400
we said, it's more or less Petrarchan, not 100% he

829
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:27,840
introduced some change.

830
01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:35,030
Number five, significant point, whose voice is

831
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:39,810
dominating? Whose dominant in the voice? Who do we

832
01:01:39,810 --> 01:01:46,370
hear? Who is speaking to us? Is the woman

833
01:01:46,370 --> 01:01:50,890
speaking? Does she have a voice? She's silent.

834
01:01:51,090 --> 01:01:55,850
Even when she talks, it's through some kind of

835
01:01:55,850 --> 01:01:59,830
mediation. Now number six, how does the form of

836
01:01:59,830 --> 01:02:04,770
the sonnet And the content of the sonnet relate to

837
01:02:04,770 --> 01:02:08,510
the content of the sonnet. Why did the poet choose

838
01:02:08,510 --> 01:02:11,690
the sonnet form? Why doesn't he choose some other

839
01:02:11,690 --> 01:02:17,230
form? Please. I think he used more likely to be

840
01:02:17,230 --> 01:02:21,050
Petrarch's sonnet. So Petrarch in his sonnets used

841
01:02:21,050 --> 01:02:23,930
to talk about love and about a cruel woman. So he

842
01:02:23,930 --> 01:02:28,430
used this form to describe the content of it. So

843
01:02:28,430 --> 01:02:34,100
when you look at it,Okay, more? Okay, well I'm

844
01:02:34,100 --> 01:02:37,640
going to comment on his use for a sonnet itself

845
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,620
mainly because a sonnet has some rules and he's

846
01:02:41,620 --> 01:02:46,300
driving to control something so this is what I

847
01:02:46,300 --> 01:02:49,360
meant by saying like talking about the poem not a

848
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,060
lover specifically He's trying to control this

849
01:02:52,060 --> 01:02:54,220
poem by following some rules. And here I believe

850
01:02:54,220 --> 01:02:56,620
that it's very significant that he used two

851
01:02:56,620 --> 01:02:59,320
imperfect rhymes. The first is when he said that,

852
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:03,320
since in a net I seek to hold the wind. So we can

853
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:07,880
see that as he's trying to hunt this deer or his

854
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,800
lover, he cannot. So it's like the same thing

855
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,300
happens. So again, we go back to what we started

856
01:03:13,300 --> 01:03:17,220
with. The sonnet is rigid. Sonnet is highly

857
01:03:17,220 --> 01:03:22,410
calculated. A sonnet is tightly structured. Every

858
01:03:22,410 --> 01:03:27,250
sound, every syllable counts. It's there for a

859
01:03:27,250 --> 01:03:30,670
purpose. On the other hand, we have a chaotic

860
01:03:30,670 --> 01:03:35,790
world. Men running after women, a man not having

861
01:03:35,790 --> 01:03:40,910
his woman sort of. It's a mess, yeah? It's

862
01:03:40,910 --> 01:03:45,870
chaotic. So it could basically be the man is

863
01:03:45,870 --> 01:03:49,750
trying to control life within the walls, so to

864
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:52,730
speak, of the sonnet, trying to put it, to stick

865
01:03:52,730 --> 01:03:56,230
it in this tiny little space so he can organize,

866
01:03:56,410 --> 01:03:59,210
control, structure what can't be structured and

867
01:03:59,210 --> 01:04:01,810
what can't be controlled in real life. In other

868
01:04:01,810 --> 01:04:05,330
words, He sounds to be trying to control the

869
01:04:05,330 --> 01:04:07,510
uncontrollable. We'll talk about this more in more

870
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:09,970
detail when we talk about Shakespeare. But also

871
01:04:09,970 --> 01:04:13,910
the sonnet was a fashion. Again, it's like again

872
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:18,570
buying a modern car. Like again I said having like

873
01:04:18,870 --> 01:04:21,150
hundreds of thousands or tens of thousands of

874
01:04:21,150 --> 01:04:23,510
followers on social media. It's something people

875
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:27,630
use to brag about, to show off. It's like, you

876
01:04:27,630 --> 01:04:30,910
know, I have this. And yes, thank you for hinting

877
01:04:30,910 --> 01:04:33,830
to the imperfect rhymes. The imperfection of

878
01:04:33,830 --> 01:04:38,950
probably his attempts, he falls short, he can't

879
01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:42,810
have hair, basically creating some kind of

880
01:04:42,810 --> 01:04:44,490
tension.

881
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,180
Number seven, I'll give you a moment some of you,

882
01:04:49,780 --> 01:04:51,880
but let's read question number seven, question

883
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,560
number eight. Number seven, could you please write

884
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:59,080
your own poem being the woman replying some sort

885
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,520
of parody? Some of your classmates in the other

886
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,580
group wrote really fascinating poems. It doesn't

887
01:05:05,580 --> 01:05:07,480
have to be a sonnet, but if you can, that would be

888
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:13,260
amazing. It would be a bonus. So reply to Sir

889
01:05:13,260 --> 01:05:16,640
Thomas Wyatt. Be the deer, be this woman, the

890
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:20,740
hunted. And the question for this poem that I want

891
01:05:20,740 --> 01:05:25,200
you to reflect on, this is the assignment. You

892
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:29,300
need to do seven out of 25 poems. I want you to

893
01:05:29,300 --> 01:05:34,300
compare the use of the deer image in this poem and

894
01:05:34,300 --> 01:05:40,560
in another Arabic poem. See how different poets,

895
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,520
different cultures use The deer to talk about

896
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,540
women. Are they similar? Are they dissimilar?

897
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:52,020
Where do they meet? Where don't they meet? I think

898
01:05:52,020 --> 01:05:54,360
this is a very interesting thing to do. This

899
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,760
question will be group work. So question number

900
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,340
one, if you did Tamim's poem reflection, it's

901
01:06:00,340 --> 01:06:02,820
individual. It will close in two days, by the way.

902
01:06:03,180 --> 01:06:05,280
This one will be done, I'll give you details

903
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:09,920
online, probably groups of twos, threes, or even

904
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,060
fours. I'll stop here, but somebody wanted to say

905
01:06:13,060 --> 01:06:16,160
something. Very short. I wanted to comment on the

906
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,460
imperfect triangle in the last couplet. Quickly. I

907
01:06:19,460 --> 01:06:21,900
wanted to say that it might relate to the paradox

908
01:06:21,900 --> 01:06:25,500
in this part. Because he's saying that yes and no,

909
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:27,800
like I cannot be, she cannot be changed, but at

910
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:29,960
the same time she is actually changed by having

911
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:35,620
this around her neck. Okay, finally. Maybe he's

912
01:06:35,620 --> 01:06:37,700
rotating this board because he started reminding

913
01:06:37,700 --> 01:06:42,490
her and this board It's an attempt to win her

914
01:06:42,490 --> 01:06:46,430
back. The very sonnet itself is again an

915
01:06:46,430 --> 01:06:49,150
expression of admiration and love. That's a good

916
01:06:49,150 --> 01:06:52,030
point. We'll stop here ladies. Thank you very

917
01:06:52,030 --> 01:06:56,110
much. Next class we prepare Shakespeare's Sonnet

918
01:06:56,110 --> 01:06:58,790
18. Thank you and see you later.