His entourage including a `` personal magician '' for another .


Even if you wanted to , you wo n't be reading Jermaine 's account now .

Even if you wanted to , you wo n't be reading <person>Jermaine</person> 's account now .


Like every Jackson sibling who 's tried to break from Joe , he 's climbed down , returned to the fold and scrapped the book , apparently on the strength of Michael 's threats to sue .

Like every <org>Jackson</org> sibling who 's tried to break from <person>Joe</person> , he 's climbed down , returned to the fold and scrapped the book , apparently on the strength of <person>Michael</person> 's threats to sue .


Previously , Michael 's given cause for family observers to attribute his grotesque body dysmorphia to a dread of resembling his father .

Previously , <person>Michael</person> 's given cause for family observers to attribute his grotesque body dysmorphia to a dread of resembling his father .


Yet there they were at Jackson 's trial last year , hand in hand .

Yet there they were at <person>Jackson</person> 's trial last year , hand in hand .


In the big picture Michael Jackson means not very much .

In the big picture <person>Michael Jackson</person> means not very much .


But his little picture may be more newsworthy than the news suggests .


good stuff .


having departed last June for a Bahrain `` vacation '' from which he 's yet to emerge .

having departed <date>last June</date> for a <gpe>Bahrain</gpe> `` vacation '' from which he 's yet to emerge .


Actually , there have been reports for the past two days of Jackson back in California .

Actually , there have been reports for <date>the past two days</date> of <person>Jackson</person> back in <gpe>California</gpe> .


#NAME ?


Wild wild stuff Jeff !


Disinformation Distraction Dis and Dat ..


The netwerk is as sacred to the state as their mantra `` My way or total annihilation . ''


Bait and switch sets the agenda .


There is no such thing as an accident .


It 's Saturday morning , and the papers say a moon of Saturn is spewing life - giving water .... then I see the new R.I. post is about the perrenial child Michael Jackson .

It 's <date>Saturday</date> morning , and the papers say a moon of <loc>Saturn</loc> is spewing life - giving water .... then I see the new R.I. post is about the perrenial child <person>Michael Jackson</person> .


This day is named for Saturn ...

This day is named for <person>Saturn</person> ...


" ... it was foretold that one day a mighty son of Saturn would in turn overthrow him ,

" ... it was foretold that one day a mighty son of <person>Saturn</person> would in turn overthrow him ,


and Saturn devoured all of his children when they were born to prevent this ... ''

and <person>Saturn</person> devoured all of his children when they were born to prevent this ... ''


Apparently Saturn is also intimately connected with Satan , Masonics , and Revelation 13 - you know , the `` number of the beast '' ...

Apparently <person>Saturn</person> is also intimately connected with <person>Satan</person> , <org>Masonics</org> , and <work_of_art>Revelation 13</work_of_art> - you know , the `` number of the beast '' ...


Nevermind -


I need a cup of coffee ...


I looked in vain for the Cheney `` A hunting we will go '' to post this out and paste but ...

I looked in vain for the <person>Cheney</person> `` A hunting we will go '' to post this out and paste but ...


And on the subject of cowardice , consider this . In a recent hunting escapade , Dick Cheney accidentally shot one of his hunting comrades .

And on the subject of cowardice , consider this . In a recent hunting escapade , <person>Dick Cheney</person> accidentally shot <cardinal>one</cardinal> of his hunting comrades .


There may have been negligence involved , but that is up to the local district attorney to decide .


But more importantly , I think , is the nature of the hunt .


These were not wild birds .


The birds were bred in captivity .


They had spent their lives in pens , and then on hunting day , were released for the sole purpose of being killed by Dick Cheney and cohorts for pure sport as they flew into the open sky for their only moments of brief freedom .

They had spent their lives in pens , and then on hunting day , were released for the sole purpose of being killed by <person>Dick Cheney</person> and cohorts for pure sport as they flew into the open sky for their only moments of brief freedom .


Whether you are an animal lover or not , there is something disgusting and degrading about this kind of hunt and something less than human about those who participate in it .


The link `` personal majician '' is intrigueing .


From Madsen via Boucher :

From <person>Madsen</person> via <person>Boucher</person> :


Jackson 's stay at the Cedars was arranged through David Kuo , George W. Bush 's White House director of the Office of Faith - based Initiatives .

<person>Jackson</person> 's stay at the <fac>Cedars</fac> was arranged through <person>David Kuo</person> , <person>George W. Bush 's</person> White House director of <org>the Office of Faith - based Initiatives</org> .


Kuo , a former CIA employee ... had been Executive Director of the Center for Effective Compassion , founded in 1995 by Arianna Huffington ...

<person>Kuo</person> , a former <org>CIA</org> employee ... had been Executive Director of <org>the Center for Effective Compassion</org> , founded in <date>1995</date> by <person>Arianna Huffington</person> ...


Kuo also previously worked for the Christian Coalition and Senator John Ashcroft .

<person>Kuo</person> also previously worked for <org>the Christian Coalition</org> and Senator <person>John Ashcroft</person> .


There 's also some curious Neverland / Disneyland connections to the `` Mickey Mouse Club '' children who are now stars , including Justin Timberlake -LRB- remember the star on Janet Jackson 's breast ? -RRB- and Brittany Spears , Christina Aguilera ...

There 's also some curious <fac>Neverland</fac> / <fac>Disneyland</fac> connections to the `` <org>Mickey Mouse Club</org> '' children who are now stars , including <person>Justin Timberlake</person> -LRB- remember the star on <person>Janet Jackson 's</person> breast ? -RRB- and <person>Brittany Spears</person> , <person>Christina Aguilera</person> ...


The piper walks into the mountain , still followed by the children , and the cave closes again ...


Here is Boucher 's follow up to the `` majician '' link of Jeff 's .

Here is <person>Boucher</person> 's follow up to the `` majician '' link of <person>Jeff</person> 's .


on the mark as always , jeff ,

on the mark as always , <person>jeff</person> ,


but i thought you might cover chile 's inauguration of its first woman president today instead ...

but i thought you might cover <gpe>chile</gpe> 's inauguration of its first woman president today instead ...


maybe later as the story develops ?


Jeff Boucher 's piece mentions how victims of sexual abuse often have childlike voices , almost as if their development was ' frozen ' around the time of their abuse .

<person>Jeff</person> <person>Boucher</person> 's piece mentions how victims of sexual abuse often have childlike voices , almost as if their development was ' frozen ' around the time of their abuse .


Jackson seems to be of this type .

<person>Jackson</person> seems to be of this type .


Or more perversely , fakes that he is :


`` I was always saying -LSB- to Jackson -RSB- people would n't think I was so crazy if they saw who the hell you really are , that you sit around , and you drink and you curse and you 're -LSB- expletive -RSB- funny and you have a bad mouth , and you do n't have that high voice all the time '' -

`` I was always saying -LSB- to <person>Jackson</person> -RSB- people would n't think I was so crazy if they saw who the hell you really are , that you sit around , and you drink and you curse and you 're -LSB- expletive -RSB- funny and you have a bad mouth , and you do n't have that high voice all the time '' -


Lisa Marie Presley , in an interview quoted in a WaPo article written by Tina Brown :

<person>Lisa Marie Presley</person> , in an interview quoted in a <org>WaPo</org> article written by <person>Tina Brown</person> :


Michael Jackson 's False Front ?

<person>Michael Jackson 's</person> False Front ?


`` David Geffen , be gone !

`` <person>David Geffen</person> , be gone !


Steven Spielberg , be gone ! ''

<person>Steven Spielberg</person> , be gone ! ''


The witch doctor cursing Michael Jackson 's enemies and blessing the tarnished King of Pop himself in a voodoo ritual in Switzerland in the summer of 2000 had promised that the 25 people on Jackson 's enemies list -LRB- would soon be dead -RRB- ...

The witch doctor cursing <person>Michael Jackson 's</person> enemies and blessing the tarnished <person>King of Pop</person> himself in a voodoo ritual in <gpe>Switzerland</gpe> in <date>the summer of 2000</date> had promised that the <cardinal>25</cardinal> people on <person>Jackson</person> 's enemies list -LRB- would soon be dead -RRB- ...


Jackson had ordered his then business adviser , Myung - Ho Lee , a U.S. - educated Korean lawyer based in Seoul , to wire $ 150,000 to a bank in Mali for a voodoo chief named Baba , who then had 42 cows ritually sacrificed for the ceremony .

<person>Jackson</person> had ordered his then business adviser , <person>Myung - Ho Lee</person> , a <gpe>U.S.</gpe> - educated <norp>Korean</norp> lawyer based in <gpe>Seoul</gpe> , to wire $ <money>150,000</money> to a bank in <gpe>Mali</gpe> for a voodoo chief named <person>Baba</person> , who then had <cardinal>42</cardinal> cows ritually sacrificed for the ceremony .


Jackson had already undergone a blood bath ...

<person>Jackson</person> had already undergone a blood bath ...


The pop star , who is said to be $ 240 million in debt , had paid six figures for a ritual cleansing using sheep blood to another voodoo doctor and a mysterious Egyptian woman named Samia , who came to him with a letter of greeting from a high - ranking Saudi prince , purportedly Nawaf Bin Abdulaziz Al - Saud , now the chief of intelligence of Saudi Arabia ...

The pop star , who is said to be <money>$ 240 million</money> in debt , had paid six figures for a ritual cleansing using sheep blood to another voodoo doctor and a mysterious <norp>Egyptian</norp> woman named <person>Samia</person> , who came to him with a letter of greeting from a high - ranking <norp>Saudi</norp> prince , purportedly <person>Nawaf Bin Abdulaziz Al - Saud</person> , now the chief of intelligence of <gpe>Saudi Arabia</gpe> ...


http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/articles/050411roco03c hmm .


According to that Vanity Fair article , Jacko and Uri Geller met through `` that other fellow devotee of children 's charities Mohamed Fayed , the chairman of Harrods in London , who believes that the C.I.A. and Prince Philip had Princess Diana and his son , Dodi , killed . ''

According to that <org>Vanity Fair</org> article , <person>Jacko</person> and <person>Uri Geller</person> met through `` that other fellow devotee of children 's charities <person>Mohamed Fayed</person> , the chairman of <org>Harrods</org> in <gpe>London</gpe> , who believes that the <org>C.I.A.</org> and <person>Prince Philip</person> had <person>Princess Diana</person> and his son , <person>Dodi</person> , killed . ''


Anonymous quoted , `` Jackson 's stay at the Cedars was arranged through David Kuo ... ''

Anonymous quoted , `` <person>Jackson</person> 's stay at the <fac>Cedars</fac> was arranged through <person>David Kuo</person> ... ''


Hold on --


the Cedars is the headquarters of the Fellowship Foundation , the creepy Christianoid cult with deep political connections .

the <fac>Cedars</fac> is the headquarters of <org>the Fellowship Foundation</org> , the creepy <norp>Christianoid</norp> cult with deep political connections .


Here 's a bit of the original Madsen article that the Michael Jackson quote comes from :

Here 's a bit of the original <person>Madsen</person> article that the <person>Michael Jackson</person> quote comes from :


In 1976 , the Fellowship began looking for a permanent headquarters in Arlington .

In <date>1976</date> , the <org>Fellowship</org> began looking for a permanent headquarters in <gpe>Arlington</gpe> .


It set its sights on the estate of George Mason IV , The Cedars , located at 2301 North Uhle Street .

It set its sights on the estate of <person>George Mason IV</person> , The <fac>Cedars</fac> , located at <loc>2301 North Uhle Street</loc> .


Mason was one of the drafters of the Bill of Rights .

<person>Mason</person> was one of the drafters of <law>the Bill of Rights</law> .


The Fellowship , also known as the International Foundation , bought the property from Charles Piluso .

The <org>Fellowship</org> , also known as <org>the International Foundation</org> , bought the property from <person>Charles Piluso</person> .


Although not much is known about Piluso , the Los Angeles Times reported that Howard Hughes , the man with whom Fellowship Senator Ralph Owen Brewster once sparred , also lived there .

Although not much is known about <person>Piluso</person> , <org>the Los Angeles Times</org> reported that <person>Howard Hughes</person> , the man with whom <org>Fellowship</org> Senator <person>Ralph Owen Brewster</person> once sparred , also lived there .


According to a senior Pentagon official , the Cedars had been used as a CIA safe house prior to the Fellowship 's purchase of the estate .

According to a senior <org>Pentagon</org> official , the <fac>Cedars</fac> had been used as a <org>CIA</org> safe house prior to the <org>Fellowship</org> 's purchase of the estate .


The Fellowship paid $ 1.5 million for the Cedars , the money coming from Tom Phillips , the CEO of Raytheon , and Ken Olsen , the CEO of Digital Equipment Corporation .

The <org>Fellowship</org> paid <money>$ 1.5 million</money> for the <fac>Cedars</fac> , the money coming from <person>Tom Phillips</person> , the CEO of <org>Raytheon</org> , and <person>Ken Olsen</person> , the CEO of <org>Digital Equipment Corporation</org> .


Sanford McDonnell of McDonnell Douglas Corporation was another deep - pocketed supporter of the Fellowship through Full Gospel Business Men 's Fellowship International , an activity linked to Fellowship core member Pat Robertson .

<person>Sanford McDonnell</person> of <org>McDonnell Douglas Corporation</org> was another deep - pocketed supporter of the <org>Fellowship</org> through <org>Full Gospel Business Men 's Fellowship International</org> , an activity linked to <org>Fellowship</org> core member <person>Pat Robertson</person> .


Suffer the little children , eh ?


If this is what power & wealth does to you , I 'm damn glad I have neither .


You said , `` Perhaps rather the point is that the program exploits pre-existing conditions for abuse which are more common than most suspect . ''


Could n't agree more .


I think that pedophilia 's relative commonality is what really makes it frightening .


My experience happened when I was 15 .

My experience happened when I was <cardinal>15</cardinal> .


A friend of mine met this guy who was twice our age & who was more than willing to buy us all the whiskey we could drink .


We were both enamored with Kerouac & Jim Morrison & meeting strange characters & this guy definitely fit the bill .

We were both enamored with <person>Kerouac</person> & <person>Jim Morrison</person> & meeting strange characters & this guy definitely fit the bill .


He was muscle for a Pittsburgh madam named Tex Gill .

He was muscle for a <gpe>Pittsburgh</gpe> madam named <person>Tex Gill</person> .


She dressed like a man & ran most of the massage parlors in Pgh .

She dressed like a man & ran most of the massage parlors in <gpe>Pgh</gpe> .


He was into black magick & Crowley & booze & drugs & on & on .

He was into black magick & <person>Crowley</person> & booze & drugs & on & on .


So , one night , we 're at his apartment , drunk out of our minds ,

So , <cardinal>one</cardinal> night , we 're at his apartment , drunk out of our minds ,


& my buddy passes out .


I continue drinking .


At one point , I glance at this older guy ,

At <cardinal>one</cardinal> point , I glance at this older guy ,


& he is staring at my buddy as a line of drool runs down the cigarette in his mouth & drips on to the floor .


I think , ' What the fuck ? '


but I 'm pretty goddamn wasted


& reality is having a helluva time penetrating the fog in my head .


He notices that I 'm kind of staring at him .


He stands up , walks into the bedroom , & comes back with a porno mag .


He drops it on the couch next to me .


As he 's sitting down , he says , `` See anything you like ? ''


& then he shoves his hand hard into my groin .....


.... & I broke his nose with my elbow .


Make no mistake though , up till that point , the guy scared the shit out of me .


But , lucky for me , my reaction was see red anger instead of cowering fear .


After i hit him , I jumped up , ran into his kitchen & grabbed a big old butcher knife , ran back into the room & proceeded to kick my buddy into consciousness & drag his comatose ass the hell out of there .


Now , for me , the interesting part happened years later .


At the time , my buddy & I were selling things .


My buddy had a real good supplier for these things but it was his secret .


At one point , my buddy could n't pick up the shipment so I had to go .


Before I left , he had to explain to me that his supplier was none other than Freddie Feelup .


I decided to go .


He was now closer to 40 & just a hollow shell of his former self .

He was now closer to <cardinal>40</cardinal> & just a hollow shell of his former self .


Friendless , his only company being neighborhood teens looking to party .


He kept one room empty except for 4 black candles in each of its corners .

He kept <cardinal>one</cardinal> room empty except for <cardinal>4</cardinal> black candles in each of its corners .


he would read curses aimed at people who pissed him off .


Really pathetic .


About a year later , a few of those teens took an intense dislike to Freddie & the beat him to to death .

<date>About a year later</date> , a few of those teens took an intense dislike to <person>Freddie</person> & the beat him to to death .


I ca n't imagine why .


Can you ?


I apologize for continuing my ramble but ... ,


... I do n't know how you folks would classify pedophilia .


Maybe a 30 year old man & a 15 year old boy does n't qualify .

Maybe a <date>30 year old</date> man & a <date>15 year old</date> boy does n't qualify .


I wonder about that myself , but I have to say that when I was 30 , I was n't plying 15 year old girls with booze & copping feels .

I wonder about that myself , but I have to say that when I was <cardinal>30</cardinal> , I was n't plying <cardinal>15</cardinal> year old girls with booze & copping feels .


I 'll shut up now .


Speaking of Pat Robertson -

Speaking of <person>Pat Robertson</person> -


I remembered something about him being linked with Victor Bout and the UAE two - step currently going on :

I remembered something about him being linked with <person>Victor Bout</person> and the <gpe>UAE</gpe> <cardinal>two</cardinal> - step currently going on :


Bout was Liberian dictator Charles Taylor 's primary arms and diamond smuggler ...

Bout was <norp>Liberian</norp> dictator <person>Charles Taylor</person> 's primary arms and diamond smuggler ...


Taylor , who is now in exile in Nigeria , was a business partner with Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson ... in a Cayman Islands front company called Freedom Gold , Ltd .

<person>Taylor</person> , who is now in exile in <gpe>Nigeria</gpe> , was a business partner with <org>Christian Coalition</org> founder <person>Pat Robertson</person> ... in a <gpe>Cayman Islands</gpe> front company called <org>Freedom Gold , Ltd</org> .


In fact , Freedom Gold was headquartered at Robertson 's CBN offices in Virginia Beach , Virginia .

In fact , <org>Freedom Gold</org> was headquartered at <person>Robertson</person> 's <org>CBN</org> offices in <gpe>Virginia Beach</gpe> , <gpe>Virginia</gpe> .


Robertson 's African interests also crossed paths with Bout 's in another country -- the former Zaire .

<person>Robertson</person> 's <norp>African</norp> interests also crossed paths with <person>Bout</person> 's in another country -- <gpe>the former Zaire</gpe> .


Robertson 's African Development Company used the cover of Robertson 's tax - exempt `` Operation Blessing '' to ferry conflict diamonds out of civil war - ravaged Zaire -LRB- now Congo -RRB- .

<person>Robertson</person> 's <org>African Development Company</org> used the cover of <person>Robertson</person> 's tax - exempt `` Operation Blessing '' to ferry conflict diamonds out of civil war - ravaged <gpe>Zaire</gpe> -LRB- now <gpe>Congo</gpe> -RRB- .


One of Bout 's many assets is New Millennium Air Company of Gambia .

<cardinal>One</cardinal> of <person>Bout</person> 's many assets is <org>New Millennium Air Company</org> of <gpe>Gambia</gpe> .


The Director of this firm is `` Baba Jobe '' .

The Director of this firm is `` <person>Baba Jobe</person> '' .


-LRB- hmmm -


`` Baba '' ... -RRB-


My question is , when is a victim guilty of abuse ?


Jackson is definitely a mind - control , SRA victim .

<person>Jackson</person> is definitely a mind - control , SRA victim .


He 's programmed .


Neverland sounds like a cryptic command from MKULTRA Wizard of Oz programming .

<fac>Neverland</fac> sounds like a cryptic command from MKULTRA Wizard of Oz programming .


The bizarre from black - to - white and physical transformation must be the result of biotech advances .


If he does abuse ' his ' children , is he ' guilty ' as such if he is programmed ?


I suspect he is a brilliant cover or red - herring used as a shield by very powerful forces , responsible for God - knows - what at his now - abandoned ranch .


It 's very effective , as many ' feel ' that whilst MJ is naive he 's not capable of the evil associated with pedophile activity .

It 's very effective , as many ' feel ' that whilst <person>MJ</person> is naive he 's not capable of the evil associated with pedophile activity .


This may not be the case , as the public ' persona ' is merely an ' alter ' personality and he may have many other ' personalities ' which are dark .


Then comes the question whether his programmers were programmed themselves .


If so , then they are all guilty of such abuse , whilst being innocent at the same time !


As most abuse is generational , the whole mind - control subject really has to be brought out in the open .


The very technology and tools used on the mind which harm can then be used to heal .


Brr , Pied Piper .


I remember being spooked by that story as a kid .


Heck of a story to tell children .


Talking about strange coincidences ... I was trying to write a science fiction story a while back involving Star Gate type research .

Talking about strange coincidences ... I was trying to write a science fiction story a while back involving <work_of_art>Star Gate</work_of_art> type research .


I was looking for a cool name for an undercover X-Files type military - occult agency .

I was looking for a cool name for an undercover <work_of_art>X-Files</work_of_art> type military - occult agency .


Thought of ' SPECTRE ' but that seemed too James Bondish , and modified it to ' SPECTRA ' .


Thinking rainbow - type symbology .


Then I find out that ' SPECTRA ' is actually a name with significance in the community .

Then I find out that ' <org>SPECTRA</org> ' is actually a name with significance in the community .


What the ...


... of course , I did read a lot of weird stuff in passing as a kid ,


it 's certainly possible that I came across it and forgot .


I was n't consciously aware of it , certainly .


It 's the most disappointingly *cheesy* 1960s sci - fi kind of name for an astral entity to use , that 's for sure .

It 's the most disappointingly *cheesy* <date>1960s</date> sci - fi kind of name for an astral entity to use , that 's for sure .


I never did write that story .


Is n't Michael Jackson , and the entire Jackson clan , Jehovah 's Witness ?

Is n't <person>Michael Jackson</person> , and the entire <person>Jackson</person> clan , <org>Jehovah 's Witness</org> ?


There was no mention made of this in either the main post or comments ....


It would seem to me that their must be some relationship between that cult organization and all the `` high weirdness '' going on ....


no ?


.... and it is a cult .


FBI finally releases report on missing children .

<org>FBI</org> finally releases report on missing children .


Agency unveils surprising statistics : about one - third of lost kids are black

Agency unveils surprising statistics : <cardinal>about one - third</cardinal> of lost kids are black


-- AP


Since 1985 nearly 13 million children missing -LRB- those reported -RRB- .

Since <date>1985</date> nearly <cardinal>13 million</cardinal> children missing -LRB- those reported -RRB- .


An average of 615,874 per year since 1985 . 791,687 in 1995 alone .

An average of <cardinal>615,874</cardinal> per year since <date>1985</date> . <cardinal>791,687</cardinal> in <date>1995</date> alone .


This is an extraordinary group here .


I appreciate your candor and your capacity to build a knowledge base with each contributor adding to the thread that moves me in a sonambulant noiseless rush toward the truth .


We are living the dieing


and that is just as productive and rewarding as any other dimension of spirit that I have experienced


If there is just one thing that disappoints me it is that all of the posters here prefer to be anonymous .

If there is just <cardinal>one</cardinal> thing that disappoints me it is that all of the posters here prefer to be anonymous .


It would be wise for you to `` be '' yourself .


I tried to find emails for any that list a profile or website ,


but none `` NONE '' of you are out there .


Contact me at my profile email should you care to disclose yourself .


I would like to invite you to participate in FSHOD if that is not too much to ask .


maybe we remain anonymous in preparation for the future .


I 'm surprised I have n't heard this mentioned anywhere before , as it ties in perfectly with Jeff 's Bizarro Jacko Tabloid post :

I 'm surprised I have n't heard this mentioned anywhere before , as it ties in perfectly with <person>Jeff</person> 's <person>Bizarro Jacko</person> Tabloid post :


In an interview with Blender -LRB- ca n't remember what issue , but Janet 's on the cover -RRB- , Janet talks at length about having mulitiple personalities .

In an interview with <org>Blender</org> -LRB- ca n't remember what issue , but <person>Janet</person> 's on the cover -RRB- , <person>Janet</person> talks at length about having mulitiple personalities .


I ca n't remember all the details , but there 's Janet , the normal pop star , and among others -LRB- and perhaps the most notable in this context -RRB- one she calls `` Strawberry , '' who is geared towards explicit sexual activities .

I ca n't remember all the details , but there 's <person>Janet</person> , the normal pop star , and among others -LRB- and perhaps the most notable in this context -RRB- one she calls `` Strawberry , '' who is geared towards explicit sexual activities .


As I understand , this is a classic alters description .


A Real MAN Would At Least Let A Former Board Member Be Able TO READ The Reason He Had Been Banned , But , I FORGOT I Was Dealing With A Coward !


antiaristo will be disappointed , or HAS HE ALREADY BEEN BANNED , TOO ???

<person>antiaristo</person> will be disappointed , or HAS HE ALREADY BEEN BANNED , TOO ???


A COWARD DIES A THOUSAND DEATHS . A HERO DIES BUT ONCE !!!!!!!!

A COWARD DIES A <cardinal>THOUSAND</cardinal> DEATHS . A HERO DIES BUT ONCE !!!!!!!!


Saint Alexander the Foolish , circa Third Millennium , a.D . Janet Jackson ;

<person>Saint Alexander the Foolish</person> , circa <date>Third Millennium</date> , a.D . <person>Janet Jackson</person> ;


`` Strawberry Bounce '' lyrics :

`` <work_of_art>Strawberry Bounce</work_of_art> '' lyrics :


Bump the beat


Just watch the way I pump it


The way I work it 's gon na keep you cumin'


Do a dance that 's so sensual


I 'ma make you Lose Control


Do n't trip


You know you wan na watch this


I 'm a pro you wo n't be disappointed


Gon na leave you beggin' for more


Glad someone finally mentioned Janet .

Glad someone finally mentioned <person>Janet</person> .


I think the practice of black magic is something she and her brother have in common .


One mus n't forget her now infamous superbowl `` nipple '' stunt .


Rather than the ridiculous accident censors tried to make it out to be , I think it has to be recognized as a planned , purposeful piece of black magic , perpetraited literally in front of the world , on a very alchemically significant day and time


-LRB- goes way beyond a ' publicity stunt , does n't it ? ' -RRB-


A friend even suggests that during her much earlier ' Rythm Nation ' period , in which she dons a black uniform and uses strange , synchopated hand movements in her video dance routine , that that too , is a kind of twilight language , intended on sending a specific message , in order to have a desired effect .


It 's possible that jacksons have been using the occult arts for a long , long time .

It 's possible that <person>jacksons</person> have been using the occult arts for a long , long time .


I 'd love to hear someone else 's thoughts on this -


Here 's a link to just a wee bit more about Jackson and her alleged MPD -

Here 's a link to just a wee bit more about <person>Jackson</person> and her alleged MPD -


I posted above that The Cedars , where Michael Jackson was mentioned as having stayed for a time , was the center of the Fellowship Foundation .

I posted above that The <fac>Cedars</fac> , where <person>Michael Jackson</person> was mentioned as having stayed for a time , was the center of <org>the Fellowship Foundation</org> .


I just ran across the Fellowship Foundation again , when looking for something to explain the anomalous situation of recently - disgraced Republican shoplifter Claude A. Allen .

I just ran across <org>the Fellowship Foundation</org> again , when looking for something to explain the anomalous situation of recently - disgraced <norp>Republican</norp> shoplifter <person>Claude A. Allen</person> .


The quote below is from the LaRouchies -- and thus , as always , not to be considered 100 % reliable --

The quote below is from the <norp>LaRouchies</norp> -- and thus , as always , not to be considered <percent>100 %</percent> reliable --


but in this case it fits in so well with the ongoing discussion that I 'm tentatively inclined to trust it :


DeLay 's career and power became at the same time a central project for all three of the shadow partners , Grover Norquist , Jack Abramoff and Ralph Reed .

<person>DeLay</person> 's career and power became at the same time a central project for all <cardinal>three</cardinal> of the shadow partners , <person>Grover Norquist</person> , <person>Jack Abramoff</person> and <person>Ralph Reed</person> .


DeLay was by no means a random point of interest .

<person>DeLay</person> was by no means a random point of interest .


Tom DeLay staggered into Washington as a freshman Congressman in 1984 , a terrible drunk , his life dissolving .

<person>Tom DeLay</person> staggered into <gpe>Washington</gpe> as a freshman Congressman in <date>1984</date> , a terrible drunk , his life dissolving .


Rep. Frank Wolf -LRB- R - Va. -RRB- approached him with a road to salvation .

Rep. <person>Frank Wolf</person> -LRB- <norp>R</norp> - <gpe>Va.</gpe> -RRB- approached him with a road to salvation .


He reportedly showed DeLay a videotape that made him weep .

He reportedly showed <person>DeLay</person> a videotape that made him weep .


Tom DeLay then radically changed his life , turning his soul over to higher powers .

<person>Tom DeLay</person> then radically changed his life , turning his soul over to higher powers .


But by all reliable accounts , DeLay became a much nastier , a fearsomely un-Christian individual .

But by all reliable accounts , <person>DeLay</person> became a much nastier , a fearsomely <norp>un-Christian</norp> individual .


Frank Wolf represented an old `` black operations '' soul - robbing agency known as the Fellowship Foundation .

<person>Frank Wolf</person> represented an old `` black operations '' soul - robbing agency known as <org>the Fellowship Foundation</org> .


Practicing secrecy on about the same level as the National Security Agency , the Fellowship does conduct one public function --

Practicing secrecy on about the same level as <org>the National Security Agency</org> , the <org>Fellowship</org> does conduct <cardinal>one</cardinal> public function --


it runs the huge annual Congressional / Presidential Prayer Breakfast in Washington , with similar events managed inside the Pentagon and at other government and military sites .

it runs the huge annual Congressional / Presidential Prayer Breakfast in <gpe>Washington</gpe> , with similar events managed inside the <fac>Pentagon</fac> and at other government and military sites .


The Fellowship Foundation -LRB- earlier called International Christian Leadership and a succession of cover names -RRB- was created before World War II by the organization of the pro-Nazi Frank Buchman .

<org>The Fellowship Foundation</org> -LRB- earlier called <org>International Christian Leadership</org> and a succession of cover names -RRB- was created before <event>World War II</event> by the organization of the <norp>pro-Nazi</norp> <person>Frank Buchman</person> .


Sen. H. Alexander Smith -LRB- R - N.J. -RRB- , Buchman 's lieutenant who in 1940 had called for a joint world dictatorship of the United States , Britain , and Nazi Germany , brought the Fellowship into acceptance in Washington .

Sen. <person>H. Alexander Smith</person> -LRB- <norp>R</norp> - <gpe>N.J.</gpe> -RRB- , <person>Buchman</person> 's lieutenant who in <date>1940</date> had called for a joint world dictatorship of <gpe>the United States</gpe> , <gpe>Britain</gpe> , and <norp>Nazi</norp> <gpe>Germany</gpe> , brought the <org>Fellowship</org> into acceptance in <gpe>Washington</gpe> .


In the 1950s , the group was sponsored by former Nazi SS officer , Holland 's Prince Bernhard , and the Dutch royal family .

In the <date>1950s</date> , the group was sponsored by former <norp>Nazi</norp> SS officer , <gpe>Holland</gpe> 's <person>Prince Bernhard</person> , and the <norp>Dutch</norp> royal family .


The Fellowship runs a house near the U.S. Capitol , where Congressmen and Senators , who are members , live .

The <org>Fellowship</org> runs a house near <fac>the U.S. Capitol</fac> , where Congressmen and Senators , who are members , live .


For example , Sen. Sam Brownback -LRB- R - Kans. -RRB- , the delirious End - Timer , has lived in the cult 's house in Washington .

For example , Sen. <person>Sam Brownback</person> -LRB- <norp>R</norp> - <gpe>Kans.</gpe> -RRB- , the delirious End - Timer , has lived in the cult 's house in <gpe>Washington</gpe> .


Raytheon CEO Tom Phillips and other figures in the military - industrial complex , pay the bills .

<org>Raytheon</org> CEO <person>Tom Phillips</person> and other figures in the military - industrial complex , pay the bills .


The Fellowship specializes in taking over the lives of potentially powerful individuals who have become somehow ruined , and promising them dominion in the world if they will play along .

The <org>Fellowship</org> specializes in taking over the lives of potentially powerful individuals who have become somehow ruined , and promising them dominion in the world if they will play along .


Watergate dirty - trickster Charles Colson , when he was on his way to prison and suddenly powerless , was recruited , and turned his life over to the Fellowship .

<event>Watergate</event> dirty - trickster <person>Charles Colson</person> , when he was on his way to prison and suddenly powerless , was recruited , and turned his life over to the <org>Fellowship</org> .


Colson 's Prison Fellowship Ministries is a subordinate unit of the cult , with its tentacles in most prisons in the United States .

<person>Colson</person> 's <org>Prison Fellowship Ministries</org> is a subordinate unit of the cult , with its tentacles in most prisons in <gpe>the United States</gpe> .


After Tom DeLay was zapped , Charles Colson became DeLay 's personal guru .

After <person>Tom DeLay</person> was zapped , <person>Charles Colson</person> became <person>DeLay</person> 's personal guru .


Colson 's militancy for the End - Times war on Muslims has made him a congenial companion to Jack Abramoff in their keeping of DeLay -- Abramoff has repeatedly led Tom to Israel to call for all - out war against the Arabs .

<person>Colson</person> 's militancy for the End - Times war on <norp>Muslims</norp> has made him a congenial companion to <person>Jack Abramoff</person> in their keeping of <person>DeLay</person> -- <person>Abramoff</person> has repeatedly led <person>Tom</person> to <gpe>Israel</gpe> to call for all - out war against the <norp>Arabs</norp> .


And Christian Coalition co-founder Pat Robertson was himself a product of the Fellowship magic .

And <org>Christian Coalition</org> co-founder <person>Pat Robertson</person> was himself a product of the <org>Fellowship</org> magic .


Robertson was the good - for - nothing playboy son of Sen. A. Willis Robertson -LRB- R - Va. -RRB- , the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee .

<person>Robertson</person> was the good - for - nothing playboy son of Sen. <person>A. Willis Robertson</person> -LRB- <norp>R</norp> - <gpe>Va.</gpe> -RRB- , the chairman of <org>the Senate Finance Committee</org> .


Pat began speaking in tongues and uttering prophecies under the guidance of Harald Bredesen , a master training agent of the Fellowship group , who had proved himself to the highest circles of British intelligence .

<person>Pat</person> began speaking in tongues and uttering prophecies under the guidance of <person>Harald Bredesen</person> , a master training agent of the <org>Fellowship</org> group , who had proved himself to the highest circles of <norp>British</norp> intelligence .


Pat Robertson started off as assistant pastor to Bredesen , whose intelligence partners , the Full Gospel Businessmen 's Fellowship , raised the money to expand Robertson 's and Bredesen 's Virginia - based Christian Broadcasting Network -LRB- CBN -RRB- toward global power status .

<person>Pat Robertson</person> started off as assistant pastor to <person>Bredesen</person> , whose intelligence partners , <org>the Full Gospel Businessmen 's Fellowship</org> , raised the money to expand <person>Robertson</person> 's and <person>Bredesen</person> 's <gpe>Virginia</gpe> - based <org>Christian Broadcasting Network</org> -LRB- <org>CBN</org> -RRB- toward global power status .


The sentence I put in boldface is *extremely* interesting .


Was n't there a Michael Jackson video where he was envisioning himself as ruler of the world or some such ?

Was n't there a <person>Michael Jackson</person> video where he was envisioning himself as ruler of the world or some such ?


to anonymous 9:30 re cults :

to <person>anonymous 9:30</person> re cults :


`` The reason fear can arise so strongly is that you already have a very strong experience of being brainwashed and used in cultish behavior .


This cult is called society and its ' cult - ure ' gives rise to suffering .


If you look closely , everything that is associated with cult behavior can lisewise be found in society 's behavior .


The same means of control are used : the constant reinforcement that you are helpless without society , that you can not survive without obeying its rules and that you will go to hell if you do n't obey the tenets of its religion . ''


-- Gangaji


this site monitors Janet Jackson weight !

this site monitors <person>Janet Jackson</person> weight !


Anonymous One , I recall reading somewhere that Lisa Marie was a member of L.Ron 's cult .

<person>Anonymous One</person> , I recall reading somewhere that <person>Lisa Marie</person> was a member of <person>L.Ron</person> 's cult .


You will notice that Michael 's real troubles started after he suied Sony chief Tommy Mattola , who was heard to say `` he 'll live to regret the day '' .

You will notice that <person>Michael</person> 's real troubles started after he suied <org>Sony</org> chief <person>Tommy Mattola</person> , who was heard to say `` he 'll live to regret the <date>day</date> '' .


Do n't ever think of fucken with the evil bastards in the Music biz , later .


Here 's a description of that Michael Jackson item I was remembering :

Here 's a description of that <person>Michael Jackson</person> item I was remembering :


By the time the release of 1995 's HIStory album -- a double album of greatest hits and new tracks -- approached , Michael had fully realized a new perception of himself , one that was truly larger than life .

By the time the release of <date>1995</date> 's <work_of_art>HIStory</work_of_art> album -- a double album of greatest hits and new tracks -- approached , <person>Michael</person> had fully realized a new perception of himself , one that was truly larger than life .


HIStory was hyped with a four - minute teaser video .

<work_of_art>HIStory</work_of_art> was hyped with a <cardinal>four</cardinal> - <time>minute</time> teaser video .


This extravagant production begins with a colossal army goose - stepping through a European city in crisp , tan uniforms , waving red flags and sporting red - and - black insignias .

This extravagant production begins with a colossal army goose - stepping through a <norp>European</norp> city in crisp , tan uniforms , waving red flags and sporting red - and - black insignias .


Military music pounds .


Crowds swell at the sidelines , screaming and crying .


The implication seems to be these men represent Nazis .

The implication seems to be these men represent <norp>Nazis</norp> .


But then , their leader is revealed to be Michael , marching right up front .

But then , their leader is revealed to be <person>Michael</person> , marching right up front .


When peasant workers break free to touch Michael , they are immediately swallowed by soldiers .

When peasant workers break free to touch <person>Michael</person> , they are immediately swallowed by soldiers .


Suddenly , it is night , and a tarp - covered , skyscraper - sized structure looms over the poor nation as choppers spray spotlights across it .


Brainwashed fans scream , salute with one arm and light candles with religious zeal .

Brainwashed fans scream , salute with <cardinal>one</cardinal> arm and light candles with religious zeal .


Signs proclaiming `` King of Pop , '' a title Michael disavowed to Oprah only two years earlier , are everywhere , emphasizing the word `` King . ''

Signs proclaiming `` <person>King of Pop</person> , '' a title <person>Michael</person> disavowed to <person>Oprah</person> only <date>two years earlier</date> , are everywhere , emphasizing the word `` King . ''


Finally , the tarp drops , and it is , of course , a gargantuan , bronze statue of Michael , fists clenched defiantly , his star insignia prominent , yet his face still somehow child - like and unthreatening .

Finally , the tarp drops , and it is , of course , a gargantuan , bronze statue of <person>Michael</person> , fists clenched defiantly , his star insignia prominent , yet his face still somehow child - like and unthreatening .


The video is a highly disturbing piece of work .


His bloated sense of importance is not only chilling , it is threatening .


Suddenly , Michael 's perfect world of Oz / Neverland is forced to be compared with an Aryan Nation , one that substitutes children for Hitler 's master race .

Suddenly , <person>Michael</person> 's perfect world of <loc>Oz</loc> / <loc>Neverland</loc> is forced to be compared with <org>an Aryan Nation</org> , one that substitutes children for <person>Hitler</person> 's master race .


Large image of the Michael Jackson HIStory statue .

Large image of the <person>Michael Jackson</person> <work_of_art>HIStory</work_of_art> statue .


There is some sort of an emblem with a star on his shoulder , but it 's at an angle and not easy to make out clearly .


'' ... a haughty spirit goeth before a fall . ''


BTW - and off topic :


Check out this superb psyop image .


Jeff , I do n't think even you could do better than this :

<person>Jeff</person> , I do n't think even you could do better than this :


Remember who Janet shared the stage with at the Superbowl ?

Remember who <person>Janet</person> shared the stage with at the <event>Superbowl</event> ?


Yes , you remember correctly : former Mousketeer Justin Timberlake .

Yes , you remember correctly : former Mousketeer <person>Justin Timberlake</person> .


Hmmm .


The plot thickens .


JW's and child abuse .


BTW Jeff - I 'd caught the Geller / Jackson connection a while back and posted on the discussion board .

BTW <person>Jeff</person> - I 'd caught the <person>Geller</person> / <person>Jackson</person> connection a while back and posted on the discussion board .


Fascinating how this all seems to be inter-related .


hmmm ...


in March 2003 Jackson distraction - o - mania was part of the media smokescreen that led up the Iraq war ...

in <date>March 2003</date> <person>Jackson</person> distraction - o - mania was part of the media smokescreen that led up <event>the Iraq war</event> ...


and now Fox news and other rabid - right media outlets have once again taken to whipping on Jackson ...

and now <org>Fox news</org> and other rabid - right media outlets have once again taken to whipping on <person>Jackson</person> ...


-LRB- like any sane people really care about what the hell MJ is doing any more . -RRB-

-LRB- like any sane people really care about what the hell <person>MJ</person> is doing any more . -RRB-


A signs of another impending misadventure in the mideast ?

A signs of another impending misadventure in the <loc>mideast</loc> ?


And what 's with Uri Geller 's links to MJ ?

And what 's with <person>Uri Geller 's</person> links to <person>MJ</person> ?


Anyone else smell a whiff of that whole Prophet Yahweh sideshow from awhile back ? trivial , but here 's stargods ' comprehensive analysis of jacko :

Anyone else smell a whiff of that whole <person>Prophet Yahweh</person> sideshow from awhile back ? trivial , but here 's <person>stargods</person> ' comprehensive analysis of <person>jacko</person> :


regarding the JW reference .


I do n't think we need see a plot in every wood pile .


The JW considers itself THE kingdom of God on earth .

The <org>JW</org> considers itself THE kingdom of God on earth .


-LRB- ' Kindom Hall ' -RRB-


So it is only to be expected that they do not see a reason to run to and report everything to the government .


The same goes for the Roman Catholic Church .

The same goes for <org>the Roman Catholic Church</org> .


But the RCC has had a widespread problem with this regard , doubltlessly because their policy / doctrine of a celibate priesthood simply attracts these deviants .

But the <org>RCC</org> has had a widespread problem with this regard , doubltlessly because their policy / doctrine of a celibate priesthood simply attracts these deviants .


I doubt any such problem exist on the same proportionate scale in the JW heirarchy .

I doubt any such problem exist on the same proportionate scale in the <org>JW</org> heirarchy .


Besides that , ca n't you see the embedded mind control in that article , as well as all general media output .


The Message Is : `` Big Brother must be informed !


Only Big Brother can manage society ! ''


See , it 's the Hegelian dialectic at work .


Eveyone needs to sharpen their awareness of this shit .


As long as Big Brother is the answer for everything , Big Brother will BE everything .


-LRB- If people do n't want their kids pederastized , but yet they entrust them to ' guys in gowns ' I just wonder what the hell are they thinking anyway ? -RRB-


I 'd watch the Peter Pan speculations , unless you know what versions you are discussing and can differentiate between them accurately .

I 'd watch the <person>Peter Pan</person> speculations , unless you know what versions you are discussing and can differentiate between them accurately .


Some of the assumptions I 've seen -LRB- such as a couple made by Tim Boucher and Fantastic Planet in last year 's postings linked here -RRB- may have looked like they worked to support their thesis , but in actuality have either a tenuous or no connection to the core Peter Pan mythos .

Some of the assumptions I 've seen -LRB- such as a couple made by <person>Tim Boucher</person> and <org>Fantastic Planet</org> in last year 's postings linked here -RRB- may have looked like they worked to support their thesis , but in actuality have either a tenuous or no connection to the core <person>Peter Pan</person> mythos .


Do n't make up things like Peter abducting children that you ca n't substantiate .

Do n't make up things like <person>Peter</person> abducting children that you ca n't substantiate .


Peter Pan was a work in progress for JM Barrie , who kept tinkering with it over the years .

<person>Peter Pan</person> was a work in progress for <person>JM Barrie</person> , who kept tinkering with it over the years .


To understand what it actually means to Michael Jackson and what you might speculate he is enacting , you have to know where on the continuum of Peter Pans his internalized Peter -LRB- no , not THAT kind of peter -RRB- lies .

To understand what it actually means to <person>Michael Jackson</person> and what you might speculate he is enacting , you have to know where on the continuum of <person>Peter Pans</person> his internalized <person>Peter</person> -LRB- no , not THAT kind of peter -RRB- lies .


Novel , play ?


Musical , cartoon ?


Shadow of a shadow of a remembered story ?


In one of the oldest versions , Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens -LRB- extracted from The Little White Bird -RRB- , is only a week old .

In one of the oldest versions , <work_of_art>Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens</work_of_art> -LRB- extracted from <work_of_art>The Little White Bird</work_of_art> -RRB- , is only a <date>week old</date> .


He escaped from his home when he was seven days old because he remembered how he could fly when he was a bird before he was a human ,

He escaped from his home when he was <date>seven days old</date> because he remembered how he could fly when he was a bird before he was a human ,


and that wildness is still in him , as it is with all children .


Barrie 's only cryptic instructions on character development to Nina Boucicault , the first actress to play Peter , was that she was to remember that Peter is a bird , and is one day old .

<person>Barrie</person> 's only cryptic instructions on character development to <person>Nina Boucicault</person> , the first actress to play <person>Peter</person> , was that she was to remember that <person>Peter</person> is a bird , and is <date>one day old</date> .


In Kensington Gardens he watches out for children who have fallen un-noticed out of their perambulators .

In <work_of_art>Kensington Gardens</work_of_art> he watches out for children who have fallen un-noticed out of their perambulators .


If a bad fairy finds them , or they perish from the cold an dark overnight in the park , Peter digs them graves and makes them headstones .

If a bad fairy finds them , or they perish from the cold an dark overnight in the park , <person>Peter</person> digs them graves and makes them headstones .


In Peter and Wendy , the Lost Boys are the ones who fall out of their perambulators when their nurse is not looking .

In <work_of_art>Peter and Wendy</work_of_art> , the Lost Boys are the ones who fall out of their perambulators when their nurse is not looking .


If they are not claimed in seven days , `` they are sent far away to the Neverland to defray expenses . ''

If they are not claimed in <date>seven days</date> , `` they are sent far away to the <loc>Neverland</loc> to defray expenses . ''


A far cry from the stealing of children .


Peter and the Lost Boys crave a mother to tell them stories .

<person>Peter</person> and the Lost Boys crave a mother to tell them stories .


It 's ironic that while their own lives are far more exotic than the fairy tales Wendy tells , it 's those fictions that they want , told by a mother .

It 's ironic that while their own lives are far more exotic than the fairy tales <person>Wendy</person> tells , it 's those fictions that they want , told by a mother .


Barrie says quite explicitly in Peter and Wendy that it is Wendy who does the tempting to keep Peter with her , not the other way around .

<person>Barrie</person> says quite explicitly in <work_of_art>Peter and Wendy</work_of_art> that it is <person>Wendy</person> who does the tempting to keep <person>Peter</person> with her , not the other way around .


It is she who asks if Michael and John could come too .

It is she who asks if <person>Michael</person> and <person>John</person> could come too .


If those of you with the abduction theory would like to give specific quotes and information on where it is shown that Peter abducted the children , please do .

If those of you with the abduction theory would like to give specific quotes and information on where it is shown that <person>Peter</person> abducted the children , please do .


But I think you are making it up from a version that does n't exist in reality , or that ca n't be tied to Michael Jackson .

But I think you are making it up from a version that does n't exist in reality , or that ca n't be tied to <person>Michael Jackson</person> .


We do n't gain better understanding of the inner workings of Michael Jackson by distorting the material on which we purportedly base our theories .

We do n't gain better understanding of the inner workings of <person>Michael Jackson</person> by distorting the material on which we purportedly base our theories .


Jeff - I just have to say that I love the Rigorous Intuition Live365 channel .

<person>Jeff</person> - I just have to say that I love the Rigorous Intuition Live365 channel .


I 've been listening to it to the last couple of days and just bought Dylan 's ' Oh Mercy ' .

I 've been listening to it to the last couple of days and just bought <person>Dylan</person> 's ' <work_of_art>Oh Mercy</work_of_art> ' .


How does the copyright thing work on a Live365 stream ?


Avalon , can you recommend a good work of commentary and analysis on JM Barrie 's works ?

<person>Avalon</person> , can you recommend a good work of commentary and analysis on <person>JM Barrie 's</person> works ?


- Sepka the Space Weasel

<person>- Sepka the Space Weasel</person>


Was Michael Jackson influenced by Bob Fosse 's `` Snake in the grass '' character from the 1974 movie The Little Prince ?

Was <person>Michael Jackson</person> influenced by <person>Bob Fosse 's</person> `` Snake in the grass '' character from the <date>1974</date> movie <work_of_art>The Little Prince</work_of_art> ?


Has anyone else seen this scene ?


Bob Fosse 's snake looks and moves would be imitated -LRB- and made more popular -RRB- years later by the King of Pop , Michael Jackson .

<person>Bob Fosse 's</person> snake looks and moves would be imitated -LRB- and made more popular -RRB- <date>years later</date> by <person>the King of Pop</person> , <person>Michael Jackson</person> .


View the video here : http://youtube.com/watch?v=L8mJsgPj1iU


About the JW thing , I work with a couple of them -LRB- BTW , some of the most respectable people I know .

About the <org>JW</org> thing , I work with a couple of them -LRB- BTW , some of the most respectable people I know .


Which is why I decided to ask ... -RRB- ,


and I had a chance to ask them about MJ and the child abuse , if they knew anything .

and I had a chance to ask them about <person>MJ</person> and the child abuse , if they knew anything .


About MJ they said , he is definately not a JW , despite what he says .

About <person>MJ</person> they said , he is definately not a <norp>JW</norp> , despite what he says .


Provocative lyrics and grabbing ones crotch in public , does n't fit with their defination of ' Christian ' .

Provocative lyrics and grabbing ones crotch in public , does n't fit with their defination of ' <norp>Christian</norp> ' .


They said all they knew was that his mother -LRB- who apparently is still a member -RRB- took him to their church as a kid .


The father apparently had little or no involvement at all .


As for the child abuse , I have to agree with the post above , you can find abuse and ' sick ' individuals in ANY organization ,


but you have too look at the proportion to the rest of society .


One of my friends is an ' elder ' -LRB- soething like a ' local church leader ' -RRB- ,

<cardinal>One</cardinal> of my friends is an ' elder ' -LRB- soething like a ' local church leader ' -RRB- ,


but he also said their instructions say that if they hear of any abuse they are to follow local laws , which usually requires them to inform the police ASAP .


And if the abuse is at all serious to report it to the police regardless .


Though i do n't agree with all of their beliefs , I know these guys well enough to call them friends .


So in their respect , after reading some of the other comments , I decided to listen to their side before passing judgement .


We should ALL be careful not to pass judgement on ENTIRE groups of people based on the apparent actions of a few .


That is what Hitler tried to do .

That is what <person>Hitler</person> tried to do .


With thiking like that , even if we got rid of the evil elite , a new set of ' evil elite ' would rise again in their place .


That seems to be the nature of man , though .


We have all got to do what we can without needlessly attacking the innocent .


Remember , group hatred only plays into their hands , be it racial , religious , or class .


Sepka , the two reference books I have on Peter Pan are : Fifty Years of Peter Pan , Roger Lancelyn Green , pub. by Peter Davies , London , 1954 .

<person>Sepka</person> , the <cardinal>two</cardinal> reference books I have on <person>Peter Pan</person> are : <work_of_art>Fifty Years of Peter Pan</work_of_art> , <person>Roger Lancelyn Green</person> , pub. by <org>Peter Davies</org> , <gpe>London</gpe> , <date>1954</date> .


It 's pretty scarce at this point , though you might be able to find a copy to read through inter-library loan .


The Peter Pan Chronicles , Bruce K. Hanson , Birch Lane Press , NY , 1993

<work_of_art>The Peter Pan Chronicles</work_of_art> , <person>Bruce K. Hanson</person> , <org>Birch Lane Press</org> , <gpe>NY</gpe> , <date>1993</date>


I have n't really delved into Barrie 's psyche from the biographical end , it 's Peter and Wendy as an extraordinary piece of writing that has always fascinated me .

I have n't really delved into <person>Barrie</person> 's psyche from the biographical end , it 's <work_of_art>Peter and Wendy</work_of_art> as an extraordinary piece of writing that has always fascinated me .


... and if you listen to `` My Way '' by sinatra , backwards , the real answer will be revealed .

... and if you listen to `` <work_of_art>My Way</work_of_art> '' by <person>sinatra</person> , backwards , the real answer will be revealed .


Uri Geller was one of MJ 's handlers apparently .

<person>Uri Geller</person> was <cardinal>one</cardinal> of <person>MJ</person> 's handlers apparently .


The hot dialogue ... that went on between -LSB- -LSB- -LSB- Saddam Hussein and Rumsfeld -RSB- -RSB- -RSB- at the airport prison .

The hot dialogue ... that went on between -LSB- -LSB- -LSB- <person>Saddam Hussein</person> and <person>Rumsfeld</person> -RSB- -RSB- -RSB- at the airport prison .


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Details of the minutes of the meeting between Rumsfeld and Saddam Hussein at the Airport Prison ...

Details of the minutes of the meeting between <person>Rumsfeld</person> and <person>Saddam Hussein</person> at <fac>the Airport Prison</fac> ...


Washington offers Saddam a television appearance to stop the Resistance in return for his freedom .

<org>Washington</org> offers <person>Saddam</person> a television appearance to stop the <org>Resistance</org> in return for his freedom .


Baghdad - INA - from Aras An Nasiri

<gpe>Baghdad</gpe> - INA - from <person>Aras An Nasiri</person>


Minutes of the dialogue between Saddam and Rumsfeld from trusted American sources .

Minutes of the dialogue between <person>Saddam</person> and <person>Rumsfeld</person> from trusted <norp>American</norp> sources .


What follows is the text of the minutes


At the start of the conversation President Saddam appeared extremely calm .

At the start of the conversation President <person>Saddam</person> appeared extremely calm .


Perhaps he was surprised that his guest was Rumsfeld , but he did not appear at all nervously tense .

Perhaps he was surprised that his guest was <person>Rumsfeld</person> , but he did not appear at all nervously tense .


Rumsfeld began the conversation by saying Rumsfeld : I came to meet you to negotiate the situation in Iraq ; we have made contact with some of your followers inside and outside Iraq , they have advised us to listen to you .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> began the conversation by saying <person>Rumsfeld</person> : I came to meet you to negotiate the situation in <gpe>Iraq</gpe> ; we have made contact with some of your followers inside and outside <gpe>Iraq</gpe> , they have advised us to listen to you .


Saddam Hussein : So what do you want ?

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : So what do you want ?


Your forces have occupied the territory of the proud Iraq , you have brought down the governing regime without a legal support ,

Your forces have occupied the territory of the proud <gpe>Iraq</gpe> , you have brought down the governing regime without a legal support ,


you have assaulted the sovereignty of an independent free sovereign country ,


you have committed crimes which history will record against you as evidence of your blood - stained civilization .


So what do you want after all that ?


Rumsfeld -LRB- trying to suppress his anger -RRB- : What 's past is past , I came especially to make you a clear and specific offer and I want to hear from you a clear and definite answer .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> -LRB- trying to suppress his anger -RRB- : What 's past is past , I came especially to make you a clear and specific offer and I want to hear from you a clear and definite answer .


Saddam Hussein -LRB- mockingly -RRB- : I thought you had come to apologize and restore power to the Iraqis .

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> -LRB- mockingly -RRB- : I thought you had come to apologize and restore power to the <norp>Iraqis</norp> .


Rumsfeld : We have nothing to apologize for , you constituted a danger to your neighbors and tried to acquire weapons of mass destruction and practiced dictatorship over your people and so it was only natural that we extended our hand to the people of Iraq to rid them of the perils which had confronted them for more than three decades .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : We have nothing to apologize for , you constituted a danger to your neighbors and tried to acquire weapons of mass destruction and practiced dictatorship over your people and so it was only natural that we extended our hand to the people of <gpe>Iraq</gpe> to rid them of the perils which had confronted them for <cardinal>more</cardinal> than three decades .


Saddam Hussein : I know that you are ignorant of history , and I know that your president is no less ignorant but it seems that you have continued to lie to the extent that you now believe yourselves .

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : I know that you are ignorant of history , and I know that your president is no less ignorant but it seems that you have continued to lie to the extent that you now believe yourselves .


If " by our neighbors " you mean the Zionist Entity then we did indeed form a danger , we were preparing to liberate our ravished territory in Palestine .

If " by our neighbors " you mean <gpe>the Zionist Entity</gpe> then we did indeed form a danger , we were preparing to liberate our ravished territory in <gpe>Palestine</gpe> .


This is the wish of every Arab person and not just every Iraqi .

This is the wish of every <norp>Arab</norp> person and not just every <norp>Iraqi</norp> .


For this is Arab land and its people are Arab , and the Zionists are the ones who occupied the land and came to us from all over the world with your help , yours , and that of the old imperial powers .

For this is <norp>Arab</norp> land and its people are <norp>Arab</norp> , and the <norp>Zionists</norp> are the ones who occupied the land and came to us from all over the world with your help , yours , and that of the old imperial powers .


But if you meant Kuwait , I want to ask you .

But if you meant <gpe>Kuwait</gpe> , I want to ask you .


Did you withdraw from Kuwait or not ?

Did you withdraw from <gpe>Kuwait</gpe> or not ?


Rumsfeld : These are security issues .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : These are security issues .


Besides , there are security agreements between us and Kuwait and the other Gulf states ... we came at their request to protect them from your threats .

Besides , there are security agreements between us and <gpe>Kuwait</gpe> and the other <loc>Gulf</loc> states ... we came at their request to protect them from your threats .


Saddam Hussein : Is n't funny that the wolf is being entrusted with the sheep ?

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : Is n't funny that the wolf is being entrusted with the sheep ?


The people of Kuwait are an Arab people .

The people of <gpe>Kuwait</gpe> are an <norp>Arab</norp> people .


And Kuwait is Iraqi territory , therefore I ask you to read history carefully , although I am certain that you wo n't comprehend it .

And <gpe>Kuwait</gpe> is <norp>Iraqi</norp> territory , therefore I ask you to read history carefully , although I am certain that you wo n't comprehend it .


Rumsfeld : Stop from this drivel , I am offering you ...

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : Stop from this drivel , I am offering you ...


Saddam Hussein -LRB- interrupting -RRB- : Before you offer me your rotten goods , I ask you did you find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq or not ?

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> -LRB- interrupting -RRB- : Before you offer me your rotten goods , I ask you did you find weapons of mass destruction in <gpe>Iraq</gpe> or not ?


Rumsfeld -LRB- disconcerted -RRB- : We have n't found them yet , but we will surely find them one day .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> -LRB- disconcerted -RRB- : We have n't found them yet , but we will surely find them <cardinal>one</cardinal> day .


Do you deny that you had intentions to manufacture a nuclear bomb ?


Saddam Hussein : We have had no weapons of mass destruction since 1991 , we were truthful when we spoke with the international inspection mission , we were truthful in our letters to Kofi Annan , you knew these facts but you were looking for any pretext to occupy Iraq and topple its legitimate authority .

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : We have had no weapons of mass destruction since <date>1991</date> , we were truthful when we spoke with the international inspection mission , we were truthful in our letters to <person>Kofi Annan</person> , you knew these facts but you were looking for any pretext to occupy <gpe>Iraq</gpe> and topple its legitimate authority .


Rumsfeld : The Iraqis received us with overwhelming happiness and welcomed us , because of the practices of your bloody regime over the course of all those years in which you governed Iraq .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : The <norp>Iraqis</norp> received us with overwhelming happiness and welcomed us , because of the practices of your bloody regime over the course of <date>all those years</date> in which you governed <person>Iraq</person> .


Saddam Hussein : Please , Mr Rumsfeld , enough lying .

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : Please , Mr <person>Rumsfeld</person> , enough lying .


You are the ones who have opened the floodgates to cascades of blood on the soil of Iraq , you plotted against us and got some traitors to take over power over the land of the great Iraq .

You are the ones who have opened the floodgates to cascades of blood on the soil of <gpe>Iraq</gpe> , you plotted against us and got some traitors to take over power over the land of the great <gpe>Iraq</gpe> .


Rumsfeld : Those you are calling traitors have been chosen by the Iraqi people as their leaders by democratic means and free elections , something that did not take place during your rule over the country .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : Those you are calling traitors have been chosen by the <norp>Iraqi</norp> people as their leaders by democratic means and free elections , something that did not take place during your rule over the country .


Saddam Hussein : I found out that you had come with a troop of traitors led by Talabani -LRB- laughs mockingly -RRB- .

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : I found out that you had come with a troop of traitors led by <person>Talabani</person> -LRB- laughs mockingly -RRB- .


Great Iraq is being ruled by Talabani and Jaafari .

Great <gpe>Iraq</gpe> is being ruled by <person>Talabani</person> and <person>Jaafari</person> .


Is n't this ridiculous ?


Then , which elections are you talking about ?


Is it permissible for what you call free elections to be held under your occupation of our country ?


Mr Rumsfeld , we have learned from history that the occupier will not bring except his assistants and lackeys , and you want , after all that , to convince me that the people of Iraq enjoy freedom and democracy ?

Mr <person>Rumsfeld</person> , we have learned from history that the occupier will not bring except his assistants and lackeys , and you want , after all that , to convince me that the people of <gpe>Iraq</gpe> enjoy freedom and democracy ?


You are truly delusional .


Rumsfeld -LRB- barely able to contain his anger -RRB- : You are isolated and do not know the facts of what is happening on the outside .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> -LRB- barely able to contain his anger -RRB- : You are isolated and do not know the facts of what is happening on the outside .


The Iraqi people have been liberated from your oppression , if they saw you or any of your men in the street they would kill you .

The <norp>Iraqi</norp> people have been liberated from your oppression , if they saw you or any of your men in the street they would kill you .


Saddam Hussein : I challenge you to announce your location in Iraq if you can .

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : I challenge you to announce your location in <gpe>Iraq</gpe> if you can .


If the Iraqi resistance found out your whereabouts you would not be able to get out alive .

If the <norp>Iraqi</norp> resistance found out your whereabouts you would not be able to get out alive .


I want to give a word of advice to your " dumb " president , you must pass it on to him , and it is that he should save what is left of his soldiers .


Death surrounds them everywhere and history will not be merciful to him .


Rumsfeld : I came to talk with you about the terrorist operations which your men are instigating and carrying out .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : I came to talk with you about the terrorist operations which your men are instigating and carrying out .


Your men have recently carried out an ignoble operation aimed at the Abu Ghraib prison where they injured and killed more than fifty Americans and also killed a number of prisoners imprisoned under various charges .

Your men have recently carried out an ignoble operation aimed at the <fac>Abu Ghraib</fac> prison where they injured and killed <cardinal>more than fifty</cardinal> <norp>Americans</norp> and also killed a number of prisoners imprisoned under various charges .


Your men are employing terrorists from all parts of the world and they are threatening the democratic process in Iraq .

Your men are employing terrorists from all parts of the world and they are threatening the democratic process in <gpe>Iraq</gpe> .


Saddam Hussein : What is it you want exactly ?

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : What is it you want exactly ?


Rumsfeld : I am making you one offer , that you are released and choose for yourself a place of exile in any country you wish on the condition that you appear on television to announce your condemnation of the terrorism and to ask your men to stop these practices .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : I am making you <cardinal>one</cardinal> offer , that you are released and choose for yourself a place of exile in any country you wish on the condition that you appear on television to announce your condemnation of the terrorism and to ask your men to stop these practices .


Saddam Hussein : Have you obtained the consent of your president to this offer ?

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : Have you obtained the consent of your president to this offer ?


Rumsfeld : Yes , this offer was agreed to at a session in which the President , his deputy , the Secretary of State and the head of the CIA took part and I was commissioned to inform you of this offer .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : Yes , this offer was agreed to at a session in which the President , his deputy , the Secretary of State and the head of the <org>CIA</org> took part and I was commissioned to inform you of this offer .


Saddam Hussein : It is a very low price .

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : It is a very low price .


Rumsfeld -LRB- excited -RRB- : We are prepared to include elements close to you in power .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> -LRB- excited -RRB- : We are prepared to include elements close to you in power .


Saddam Hussein : And what else ?

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : And what else ?


Rumsfeld : We will offer you considerable financial assistance and will look after your and your family 's security in the country you choose .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : We will offer you considerable financial assistance and will look after your and your family 's security in the country you choose .


Saddam Hussein : Do you want to hear my conditions ?

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : Do you want to hear my conditions ?


Rumsfeld : Yes , that would be nice .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : Yes , that would be nice .


Saddam Hussein -LRB- in language beaming with pride and arrogance -RRB- I want you first of all .. to set me a timetable for the withdrawal from Iraq that your government will commit itself to it in front of the world , and for you to begin the withdrawal operation immediately .

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> -LRB- in language beaming with pride and arrogance -RRB- I want you <ordinal>first</ordinal> of all .. to set me a timetable for the withdrawal from <gpe>Iraq</gpe> that your government will commit itself to it in front of the world , and for you to begin the withdrawal operation immediately .


I ask , secondly , .. for the immediate release of all the Iraqi and Arab detainees in the prisons you have set up or in those where you have shackled the freedom of tens of thousands of honorable Iraqis .

I ask , <ordinal>secondly</ordinal> , .. for the immediate release of all the <norp>Iraqi</norp> and <norp>Arab</norp> detainees in the prisons you have set up or in those where you have shackled the freedom of <cardinal>tens of thousands</cardinal> of honorable <norp>Iraqis</norp> .


Thirdly , I ask you .. for the undertaking that full compensation will be offered for the material losses which the Iraqi people have suffered through your aggression on our country since the Mother of All Battles in 1991 until this present day .

<ordinal>Thirdly</ordinal> , I ask you .. for the undertaking that full compensation will be offered for the material losses which the <norp>Iraqi</norp> people have suffered through your aggression on our country since <event>the Mother of All Battles</event> in <date>1991</date> until <date>this present day</date> .


I will accept the assistance of an international and Arab committee in estimating these losses .

I will accept the assistance of an international and <norp>Arab</norp> committee in estimating these losses .


Fourthly , I ask that you produce the money which your men looted from the treasuries of Iraq and its oil especially this criminal Bremmer and his henchmen from the traitors and renegades .

<ordinal>Fourthly</ordinal> , I ask that you produce the money which your men looted from the treasuries of <gpe>Iraq</gpe> and its oil especially this criminal <person>Bremmer</person> and his henchmen from the traitors and renegades .


And , fifthly , I ask for .. the return of the antiquities which you have stolen and handed over to the antiquities mafia , for these are priceless treasures because they bear the history of Iraq and its civilization .

And , <ordinal>fifthly</ordinal> , I ask for .. the return of the antiquities which you have stolen and handed over to the antiquities mafia , for these are priceless treasures because they bear the history of <gpe>Iraq</gpe> and its civilization .


Your country is no older than a few hundred years .

Your country is no older than <date>a few hundred years</date> .


True , you do not have neither a civilization nor history , but all that can not excuse your thefts and your hatred of Iraq 's civilization and Iraq 's riches .

True , you do not have neither a civilization nor history , but all that can not excuse your thefts and your hatred of <gpe>Iraq</gpe> 's civilization and <gpe>Iraq</gpe> 's riches .


Sixthly , I ask that you hand me the weapons of mass destruction if you have found them , bring back to life all the martyrs you have killed , and return the integrity of the glorious Iraqi women which you have robbed .

<ordinal>Sixthly</ordinal> , I ask that you hand me the weapons of mass destruction if you have found them , bring back to life all the martyrs you have killed , and return the integrity of the glorious <norp>Iraqi</norp> women which you have robbed .


Rumsfeld : Is this some kind of joke ?

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : Is this some kind of joke ?


Saddam Hussein : No , this is just the bitter truth , which you know very well .

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : No , this is just the bitter truth , which you know very well .


Mr Rumsfeld , you have committed the greatest crime in history against a peaceful Arab state .. we met each other in the eighties .

Mr <person>Rumsfeld</person> , you have committed the greatest crime in history against a peaceful <norp>Arab</norp> state .. we met each other in <date>the eighties</date> .


Do you remember your offers ?


Rumsfeld : Let us forget the past , we are in the process of re-evaluating our position on you and on the many forces which displayed hostility to us in the past .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : Let us forget <date>the past</date> , we are in the process of re-evaluating our position on you and on the many forces which displayed hostility to us in <date>the past</date> .


We have decided to hold a dialogue with the moderate Islamists .

We have decided to hold a dialogue with the moderate <norp>Islamists</norp> .


We have no objection to their arrival in power via the ballot box .


But more importantly , we have decided to open channels of dialogue with " terrorist " organizations such as Hamas and Jihad and Hezbollah who are loyal to Iran , and other fundamentalist organizations in the whole world .

But more importantly , we have decided to open channels of dialogue with " terrorist " organizations such as <org>Hamas</org> and <org>Jihad</org> and <org>Hezbollah</org> who are loyal to <gpe>Iran</gpe> , and other fundamentalist organizations in the whole world .


And we even have a project to get in touch with the Taliban movement in Afghanistan to discuss its participation in power in return for disarming .

And we even have a project to get in touch with the <org>Taliban</org> movement in <gpe>Afghanistan</gpe> to discuss its participation in power in return for disarming .


Saddam Hussein : Then you have begun to re-think your mistaken methodology .

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : Then you have begun to re-think your mistaken methodology .


Rumsfeld : It is a natural development of things , we are trying to spread democracy to all countries and all autocratic movements .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : It is a natural development of things , we are trying to spread democracy to all countries and all autocratic movements .


Saddam Hussein : You would be successful if you would tell the truth .

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : You would be successful if you would tell the truth .


I know the reality of your goals .


If you were really sincere you would begin straightaway , you and your allies , to withdraw from Iraq , and you also have to back down from your position of supporting Israel .

If you were really sincere you would begin straightaway , you and your allies , to withdraw from <gpe>Iraq</gpe> , and you also have to back down from your position of supporting <gpe>Israel</gpe> .


I know that your president is stubborn and obstinate and not sincere .


Rumsfeld : He is a democratically elected president and not a bloodthirsty ruler like you .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : He is a democratically elected president and not a bloodthirsty ruler like you .


Saddam Hussein : Terrorism is your trade and deceit your method .

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : Terrorism is your trade and deceit your method .


Rumsfeld : This proposal is an historic chance for you .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : This proposal is an historic chance for you .


We will release you and will consult with you in everything concerning governance issues in Iraq .

We will release you and will consult with you in everything concerning governance issues in <gpe>Iraq</gpe> .


If you reject this offer then the opportunity will not be repeated .


Saddam Hussein : I am not looking for opportunities , I am not looking for a way to save my neck from the gallows which you have set up for the whole of Iraq .

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : I am not looking for opportunities , I am not looking for a way to save my neck from the gallows which you have set up for the whole of <gpe>Iraq</gpe> .


If I wanted that I would have accepted the Russian offer and saved my two sons and my grandson from martyrdom .

If I wanted that I would have accepted the <norp>Russian</norp> offer and saved my <cardinal>two</cardinal> sons and my grandson from martyrdom .


I do not know what the fate of my family and my daughters and grandchildren is , but be sure that I am concerned for every Iraqi citizen and the future of the Great Iraq more than I am concerned with myself and my family .

I do not know what the fate of my family and my daughters and grandchildren is , but be sure that I am concerned for every <norp>Iraqi</norp> citizen and the future of the Great <gpe>Iraq</gpe> more than I am concerned with myself and my family .


You have previously made me an offered before this through your men that I say the weapons of mass destruction were smuggled to Syria , and you said that the price was my release .

You have previously made me an offered before this through your men that I say the weapons of mass destruction were smuggled to <gpe>Syria</gpe> , and you said that the price was my release .


I refused and I repeat the refusal once again .


Rumsfeld : I do not want a refusal from you , I want you to think about it .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : I do not want a refusal from you , I want you to think about it .


We are currently re-evaluating our positions , we want to stop the bloodshed on both sides and so our offer is made from the point of strength and not from the point of weakness .


We asked Jalal Talabani to make a statement in which he denies any intention to execute you as a sign of good will from us .

We asked <person>Jalal Talabani</person> to make a statement in which he denies any intention to execute you as a sign of good will from us .


We are ready to review our position completely on the entire political process in Iraq and we will hold a dialogue with you and with your men on this matter .

We are ready to review our position completely on the entire political process in <gpe>Iraq</gpe> and we will hold a dialogue with you and with your men on this matter .


Saddam Hussain : Are you ready to withdraw or not ?

<person>Saddam Hussain</person> : Are you ready to withdraw or not ?


Rumsfeld : We could discuss re-deployment , our forces have prepared bases for long - term stay .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : We could discuss re-deployment , our forces have prepared bases for long - term stay .


We could withdraw from the streets and the towns but we will stay in the bases for a some time .


Saddam Hussein : Then you want a new lackey to be added to this queue of lackeys .

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : Then you want a new lackey to be added to this queue of lackeys .


No Mr. Rumsfeld .. do n't forget that you are speaking with Saddam Hussein , the president of the state of Iraq .

No Mr. <person>Rumsfeld</person> .. do n't forget that you are speaking with <person>Saddam Hussein</person> , the president of the state of <gpe>Iraq</gpe> .


Rumsfeld : But you have lost power .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : But you have lost power .


Saddam Hussein : I have only honor left and honor can not be sold or bought .

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : I have only honor left and honor can not be sold or bought .


Rumsfeld : But life has a value that is priceless .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : But life has a value that is priceless .


Saddam Hussein : There is no value to a life without honor , and you robbed Iraq of its honor when you desecrated its land .

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : There is no value to a life without honor , and you robbed <gpe>Iraq</gpe> of its honor when you desecrated its land .


We will get our honor back whether Saddam Hussein survives or becomes a martyr .

We will get our honor back whether <person>Saddam Hussein</person> survives or becomes a martyr .


Rumsfeld : Your followers with whom we entered into a dialogue have told us that the decisions will be yours , first and last .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : Your followers with whom we entered into a dialogue have told us that the decisions will be yours , <ordinal>first</ordinal> and <ordinal>last</ordinal> .


Were they expecting your reaction ?


Saddam Hussein : For sure , they know that Saddam Hussain can not back down at the expense of his nation and its honor .

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : For sure , they know that <person>Saddam Hussain</person> can not back down at the expense of his nation and its honor .


Rumsfeld : History will hold you responsible for the blood which is being spilled in Iraq .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : History will hold you responsible for the blood which is being spilled in <gpe>Iraq</gpe> .


Saddam Hussein : On the contrary , history will judge you because of your crimes ..

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : On the contrary , history will judge you because of your crimes ..


I warned you in advance when I said to you that you will commit suicide on the walls of Baghdad , and here you are paying the price .

I warned you in advance when I said to you that you will commit suicide on the walls of <gpe>Baghdad</gpe> , and here you are paying the price .


I ask you to go to London and read the records of the British Foreign Office to find out some of the characteristics of the struggle of the Iraqi people against your British friends whose mistakes you are repeating and making them participate with you .

I ask you to go to <gpe>London</gpe> and read the records of <org>the British Foreign Office</org> to find out some of the characteristics of the struggle of the <norp>Iraqi</norp> people against your <norp>British</norp> friends whose mistakes you are repeating and making them participate with you .


The Iraqi people are an obstinate people and do not fear death ... the Resistance is stronger than you imagine and therefore I predict there 'll be more .

The <norp>Iraqi</norp> people are an obstinate people and do not fear death ... the <org>Resistance</org> is stronger than you imagine and therefore I predict there 'll be more .


End of the text of the meeting minutes ... the source


May your steps in doing good be like someone walking on sand ... he makes no sound but his tracks are obvious .


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Over the sun


Details of the minutes of the meeting between Rumsfeld and Saddam Hussein at the Airport Prison .

Details of the minutes of the meeting between <person>Rumsfeld</person> and <person>Saddam Hussein</person> at <fac>the Airport Prison</fac> .


The Amateur


Rumsfeld : We have nothing to apologize for .

<person>Rumsfeld</person> : We have nothing to apologize for .


You were a danger to your neighbors and tried to acquire weapons of mass destruction .


And you practiced dictatorship over your people .


and so it was natural that we extended our hand to the people of Iraq to rid them of the perils which had confronted them for more than three decades .

and so it was natural that we extended our hand to the people of <gpe>Iraq</gpe> to rid them of the perils which had confronted them for <cardinal>more</cardinal> than three decades .


And did Rumsfeld free Iraq from dangers ?

And did <person>Rumsfeld</person> free <gpe>Iraq</gpe> from dangers ?


He is really delusional ...


I have reservations about what appeared in these minutes ... because I think it unlikely that what happened at that meeting would leak out this easily ...


And I do not believe that Rumsfeld would meet Saddam unless Saddam himself made signs ... the important thing is that the expression quoted above tells of a reality that can not be but accepted ...

And I do not believe that <person>Rumsfeld</person> would meet <person>Saddam</person> unless <person>Saddam</person> himself made signs ... the important thing is that the expression quoted above tells of a reality that can not be but accepted ...


May God the Great forgive me .


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My brother , <person>Over the Sun</person> . I apologize for repeating the article , and thank you for participating .


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My brother <person>Amateur</person> Thank you for participating .


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Qais the Son of His Father

<person>Qais the Son of His Father</person>


The Martyr of the Nation , God is his protector and we do not recommend anyone above God , ascended up the gallows walking straight , not with a bowed head , and he was treated to what -LRB- -LRB- the lackeys -RRB- -RRB- witnessed .

<person>The Martyr of the Nation</person> , God is his protector and we do not recommend anyone above God , ascended up the gallows walking straight , not with a bowed head , and he was treated to what -LRB- -LRB- the lackeys -RRB- -RRB- witnessed .


He disdained death and was not bothered by it , challenging the provocations of the imperialist donkeys with full self - control , repeating the words " There is no God but God and Mohammed is the messenger of God . "

He disdained death and was not bothered by it , challenging the provocations of the imperialist donkeys with full self - control , repeating the words " There is no God but God and <person>Mohammed</person> is the messenger of God . "


After the sentence was carried out and his body was dangling in the air , his shoes were above the heads of the scum , the imperialist donkeys , those on whose backs the people of the cross are riding and who share the trenches with them to carry out the most despicable , vile and contemptible crime the Islamic world has know in our current age .

After the sentence was carried out and his body was dangling in the air , his shoes were above the heads of the scum , the imperialist donkeys , those on whose backs the people of the cross are riding and who share the trenches with them to carry out the most despicable , vile and contemptible crime the <norp>Islamic</norp> world has know in our <date>current age</date> .


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Exalted in life and in death **** verily , you are one of the miracles

Exalted in life and in death **** verily , you are <cardinal>one</cardinal> of the miracles


As if the people around you when they rose up **** delegations at your call in the days of prayer .

As if the people around you when they rose up **** delegations at your call in <date>the days of prayer</date> .


As if you are standing amongst them addressing - **** and all of them are standing to pray


You extended your hands towards them in welcome **** just as you extended them towards them with gifts .


When the bowels of the Earth became too tight to - **** confine your exaltedness after Death They made the air your tomb and they exchanged - **** for the shrouds the gown of the sandy winds

When the bowels of the <loc>Earth</loc> became too tight to - **** confine your exaltedness after Death They made the air your tomb and they exchanged - **** for the shrouds the gown of the sandy winds


For Your Greatness in our souls grows and is tended - **** by guards and trustworthy confidents


May the Compassionate rain his blessings on you - ***** with mercies passing to and fro


The Emirati


Saddam Hussein : I have nothing left but honor and honor can not be bought and sold .

<person>Saddam Hussein</person> : I have nothing left but honor and honor can not be bought and sold .


The Collaborator


My brother Qais , the Son of his Father , I thank you for your post and the addition , may God take care of you .

My brother <person>Qais , the Son of his Father</person> , I thank you for your post and the addition , may God take care of you .


May your steps in doing good be like someone walking on sand ... he makes no sound but his tracks are obvious .


MOTAAWEN@HOTMAIL.COM


Saddam 's last days and what is said he was like

<person>Saddam</person> 's <ordinal>last</ordinal> days and what is said he was like


Bu Thari


What we know about Saddam Hussein in recent years is that he had changed a lot .

What we know about <person>Saddam Hussein</person> in <date>recent years</date> is that he had changed a lot .


He had Islamic tendecies and acts which many Iraqis mentioned , saying that Saddam supported to a great extent the building of mosques centers for memorizing Koran , and charities , and the dancer 's punishment was death .

He had <norp>Islamic</norp> tendecies and acts which many <norp>Iraqis</norp> mentioned , saying that <person>Saddam</person> supported to a great extent the building of mosques centers for memorizing <work_of_art>Koran</work_of_art> , and charities , and the dancer 's punishment was death .


He had many works .


But some explained his Islamic tendency by saying that he was currying favor with the Sunnis as if they were reading his mind .

But some explained his <person>Islamic</person> tendency by saying that he was currying favor with the <norp>Sunnis</norp> as if they were reading his mind .


I have followed Saddam Hussein , especially in recent years , and I noticed about him was that there was religion but there was injustice and coarseness .

I have followed <person>Saddam Hussein</person> , especially in <date>recent years</date> , and I noticed about him was that there was religion but there was injustice and coarseness .


And his punishment was unjust .


I mean , for example , the dancer would be killed after second offence .

I mean , for example , the dancer would be killed after <ordinal>second</ordinal> offence .


I did not expect anyone to kill the dancer unless good would come of it , but like the most idiots his aim was correct but the method was wrong .


Another example - after his son Udai harmed the Iraqi people and attacked women and other matters , Saddam ordered him to be killed .

Another example - after his son <person>Udai</person> harmed the <norp>Iraqi</norp> people and attacked women and other matters , <person>Saddam</person> ordered him to be killed .


And in fact he was fired on but survived miraculously , after being hit with several fatal shots some of which hit his spine .


This is a sign that there was good in him otherwise he would not have ordered the killing of his son , his own child .


But he was not a scholar nor feared in God .


I myself heard from some people who were in Iraq about the things that Saddam Hussein used to do , and could not be reasonably done by anyone other than a good Moslem To the extent that many said of his actions that they were only to gain favor amongst the Sunnis and the religious .

I myself heard from some people who were in <gpe>Iraq</gpe> about the things that <person>Saddam Hussein</person> used to do , and could not be reasonably done by anyone other than a good <norp>Moslem</norp> To the extent that many said of his actions that they were only to gain favor amongst the <norp>Sunnis</norp> and the religious .


But we judge by the appearances and his end was in line with the appearance .


In his last days during the fall of Baghdad and his disappearance , an old woman or man said on TV on al - Jazeera channel that he was hiding in her house and had had his prayer mat with him and was always praying and reading the Koran .

In his <ordinal>last</ordinal> days during the fall of <gpe>Baghdad</gpe> and his disappearance , an old woman or man said on TV on <org>al - Jazeera</org> channel that he was hiding in her house and had had his prayer mat with him and was always praying and reading the <work_of_art>Koran</work_of_art> .


Do we say no , this is hypocrisy ?


Bear in mind that many have said that Saddam prayed regularly especially after he was put in prison by the Rafida and their masters .

Bear in mind that many have said that <person>Saddam</person> prayed regularly especially after he was put in prison by the <person>Rafida</person> and their masters .


Some of those who said that he was always praying and reading the Koran are the Christians who visited him in his prison cell .

Some of those who said that he was always praying and reading the <work_of_art>Koran</work_of_art> are the <norp>Christians</norp> who visited him in his prison cell .


Finally , during his hanging , the Rafida tried to distract him and keep him from saying the Creed before his death .

Finally , during his hanging , the <person>Rafida</person> tried to distract him and keep him from saying the Creed before his death .