I 'm born in nineteen thirty nine

I 'm born in <date>nineteen thirty nine</date>


so you 're


in nineteen fifty


yeah


there 's a difference


Yes


so they left maybe before you were born


yes


could b-


or just about the time you were born they left Hudson

or just about the time you were born they left <gpe>Hudson</gpe>


not the-


So then they went to Middletow-


%um then he came %um for the girls ' school


he became


since he did n't at farming


could n't be managed


he had been a captain in the army over difficult troops yeah So that he got into the correctional facility business


I mean he got a job


the girls ' training school there needed someone


and he got into that


And he remained the rest of his life


oh


so after that they moved to Middletown

so after that they moved to <gpe>Middletown</gpe>


and then they went to South Portright upstate near Onianta

and then they went to <gpe>South Portright</gpe> upstate near <gpe>Onianta</gpe>


yeah yeah and how shall I say he rebuilt a boys ' training school


and it was so successful they named it after him now


oh I did n't know any of this


yeah


the Fred All-


he 's very very %um prominent in that field in the correc-


no no


he did a wonderful job


in fact he had the best average of rehabilitation in the country for that age oh is that nice which is not too great


but he had the best average in the country


what 's he doing now


they 're a wonderful couple


Irene died


that 's Bessie 's


%uh do you remember %uh Lenny Kocherstein and

%uh do you remember %uh <person>Lenny Kocherstein</person> and


of course


Lenny I know


and Gloria and Bessie Kocherstein I remember

and <person>Gloria</person> and <person>Bessie Kocherstein</person> I remember


Lenny you said he was the husband

<person>Lenny</person> you said he was the husband


alright


it was Lenny 's yeah %uh older sister

it was <person>Lenny</person> 's yeah %uh older sister


so she was her fi-


she 's a little older


like I do n't know how many years older than him


like one or two years older than him

like <cardinal>one</cardinal> or <date>two years</date> older than him


oh no


I just remember Lenny and Gloria

I just remember <person>Lenny</person> and <person>Gloria</person>


no I do n't remember meeting her


yeah


because Lenny was the youngest I think

because <person>Lenny</person> was the youngest I think


no


well Lenny lived right in Hudson and his kids and all

well <person>Lenny</person> lived right in <gpe>Hudson</gpe> and his kids and all


we grew up with his kids


right


So him you know I knew


he used to work in our store sometimes even as a butcher


yes


I remember that


and they used to have %uh %uh %uh deli counter like in a drugstore once


I was a waitress


I worked for them once one summer


%uh yeah


they always had the catering and all that


with some kind of


they took over %uh %uh the drug store


they took over the lunch counters


I remember that they gave me a summer job once


yeah


they were always th-


now your mother must tell you the son Wayne is now in that business

now your mother must tell you the son <person>Wayne</person> is now in that business


he 's got a cookie subs


I remember when they sai-


I think he 's president of the synagogue too or something


he 's a big shot in the synagogue or something too


big shot also with catering


maybe


I hope that place keeps up and everything because both my parents ' plaques are there


oh yeah


tha-


that 's nice then


I hope it continues


I


of course of course


so he became proud with that


and he has two children who did n't live in Hudson after they were babies on the farm

and he has <cardinal>two</cardinal> children who did n't live in <gpe>Hudson</gpe> after they were babies on the farm


yeah


they moved away so they do n't even know anybody except Pam

they moved away so they do n't even know anybody except <person>Pam</person>


remember %uh Pam %uh Kocherstein

remember %uh <person>Pam</person> %uh <person>Kocherstein</person>


Pam


%eh yeah


right now I think her older one is going to be Bar Mitzvahed soon


oh wow oh


I do n't know if any


little **pammy** just little **pammy** little smiley little fat little kid


little little skinny


she was yeah skinny now n-


No


I remember


no that was Paula was the fat one

no that was <person>Paula</person> was the fat one


Paula Kocherstein was the fat one

<person>Paula Kocherstein</person> was the fat one


now she is n't


it 's unbelievable


oh I do n't know


jeez I do n't know them anymore


oh jeez


but she 's thin


yeah


she 's got three lovely girls


and she lived in Saint Louis Missouri

and she lived in <gpe>Saint Louis Missouri</gpe>


I heard that


that 's right


%uh Pam is living near Divensinville wherever that is

%uh <person>Pam</person> is living near <gpe>Divensinville</gpe> wherever that is


that 's right near Hudson


that is n't too far away


and she has two lovely boys

and she has <cardinal>two</cardinal> lovely boys


so all the kids are okay


oh that 's nice


I tried


you know my mother


I keep telling her what 's going on in Hudson

I keep telling her what 's going on in <gpe>Hudson</gpe>


but I do n't hear all the news


and I do n't know exactly what


no


now do you remember Sandra Potswool

now do you remember <person>Sandra Potswool</person>


No


I do n't know her either


Jerry Kocherstein 's daughter

<person>Jerry Kocherstein 's</person> daughter


No no


I mean I 've heard the name often


but I ca n't