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[User]
Title: Redesign the OpenWrt download page

Hi all, I've started earlier today with a friend to rework the OpenWrt download page since it's a bit clumsy to find things. My overall idea is to adopt the 2020 redesign and also integrate parts of the functionality of the firmware wizard into the page, if (and only if) JavaScript is enabled.
The file structure should stay the same as before, I'm just trying make it visibly more pleasant.
I'd be curious if other people try to archive something similar and what their ideas of changes would be.
@jow
@richb-hanover

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[Assistant]
I am glad you're looking at this. The current https://openwrt.org/downloads page (which I assume this would replace) has always been a real grab-bag of topics that were in some way related to "downloads". (At least, I felt that way when I originally worked on it.) I also like use of color as an indication of "safety". Some other questions/thoughts:
I couldn't tell from the mockup how would this integrate the Firmware Selector (firmware-selector.openwrt.org) and the new, improved Imagebuilder (chef.libremesh.org) Perhaps there could be a place to type in the router info within the Stable Release box?
How would this page look when we don't have a RCx release (say, we just released 21.02...)
Placing the Release, RCx, Dev builds at the same "visual level" makes them appear equally important to the OpenWrt "audience". I wonder if we want to emphasize the current Stable by making it the major item at the top of the page. That would give us space to describe the beauty of the current release version, its major features, etc. We can then list RCx, Development builds, and even Previous Builds a little farther down.
Thanks again.

richb-hanover-priv:
I couldn't tell from the mockup how would this integrate the Firmware Selector (firmware-selector.openwrt.org) and the new, improved Imagebuilder (chef.libremesh.org) Perhaps there could be a place to type in the router info within the Stable Release box?
My idea was that you click on whatever release you'd like and (if JavaScript is enabled) a little text input appears on top of the release page allowing to enter the device name.
The "improved" ImageBuilder would require official recognition before it becomes integrated anywhere. Since it requires more logic than a simple search search through JSON I'd leave it separated for now.
richb-hanover-priv:
How would this page look when we don't have a RCx release (say, we just released 21.02...)
The middle box could simply be removed and snapshots on stable are next to one another.
richb-hanover-priv:
Placing the Release, RCx, Dev builds at the same "visual level" makes them appear equally important to the OpenWrt "audience". I wonder if we want to emphasize the current Stable by making it the major item at the top of the page. That would give us space to describe the beauty of the current release version, its major features, etc. We can then list RCx, Development builds, and even Previous Builds a little farther down.
Sounds good to me. I'll work on a redesign of the boxes.

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Looks good. Question though: downloads page as in openwrt.org/downloads or as in downloads.openwrt.org ?


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Title: Trying out Anubis on the Wiki

What is Anubis - read here:
https://anubis.techaro.lol
We have a preliminary configuration of Anubis staged as a front-end to the Wiki to try to alleviate some of the continuous poundings on the site. There are still some tuning and exceptions necessary to be made over the next week or so - please bear with us. If this configuration does not work out, we will drop back to our previous filtering methods and look elsewhere for a solution.
When accessing the Wiki initially you will see a Proof-of-Work (PoW) challenge which hopefully you browser can pass. Otherwise you may be blocked from accessing the site.
Stay tuned...

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[Assistant]
Nice!
Worked fine for me, Firefox 138.0.4. The anubis avatar popped up for a millisecond and I was in, seems much faster than in recent days.

The difference in speed is like night and day - I don't think I've ever known the wiki to be as quick as it is now.
Even the older ToH loads and filters incredibly quickly. Nice job!
What a pain in the rear having to do that though.

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Yeah, trying again this morning, everything is blazingly fast. Woo!

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Title: Mark wiki.openwrt.org for robot exclusion?

Google still insists that the wiki.openwrt.org links are the "best", rather than the current pages at openwrt.org. As an example, a search on "openwrt apu2c4" returns https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/pcengines/apu2
Perhaps changing /robots.txt would help, and/or adding the appropriate META tags to the header could convince Google to direct people to the current pages.
Right now https://wiki.openwrt.org/robots.txt returns
User-agent: *
Disallow: /oldwiki/

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[Assistant]
I find it confusing to direkt users to the openwrt wiki, but meaning openwrt.org, not wiki.openwrt.org.
Not sure if I proposed already to rename wiki.openwrt.org to oldwiki.openwrt.org, and move openwrt.org to wiki.openwrt.org.
Too late now and too hot to search for this.
Anyway, we would need sysadmin support for that.

The suggestion about robots.txt would be a good/ easy start, redirecting the individual pages via HTTP 301 (moved permanently) would be ideal, but very labour intensive.

I'd agree with renaming wiki.openwrt.org to oldwiki.openwrt.org. Note that I do not have administrative access to the old wiki, so any vhost or robots.txt changes need to be made by wigyori.

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Title: Proposal for new announcement category

Continuing the discussion from How to know when new release comes out? Or security issues?:
Proposal for new announcement category
Separate new category, i.e. not listed under a parent category like "Installing and using OpenWrt"
Category name: Release and security announcements
Category slug: announcements
Category description: Announcements of new releases and security updates
Access rights:
Admins / Developers can create new topics
Users can read new topics, but not create or reply to new topics
Your comments are welcome!

Solved by tmomas in post #9
The new announcements category has been created: https://forum.openwrt.org/c/announcements/14
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[Assistant]
Why not make this a sub-category?
Need to create/populate "Developer" group.

thess:
Why not make this a sub-category?
Separate category to give it the adequate importance.
In the old wiki it was called "News" and on the top position:
I think "News" or "Release and security announcements" just deserve to be a separate category. Apart from that, reading the category descriptions, I don't see where this would fit as a sub-category.
Hardware questions - clearly no
For Developers - no, release announcements are also for non-developers
Talk about Documentation - no, release announcements are not talking about documentation
Community builds - no, we are not announcing custom builds or packages created by the community, but official release builds
Site Feedback and Other Questions - no, release and security announcements are too important for filing them under "other"
Installing and using OpenWrt - no, we are not asking, but announcing

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News + feedback
------> Announcements
------> Talk about documentation
------> Site Feedback and other questions


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Title: Badges: New Badge for 100 (or more) solutions?

Houston, we have a problem.
We currently have a measly two badges for contributing solutions:
Helpdesk: For first solution
Tech-Support: For 10 solutions
Seeing that we have users which have contributed more than 160 solutions, I feel that "10 solutions or more" is a laughably small number for a badge, and therefore we need a new badge with a higher number of solutions.
We could go for 100, 250, 500, ...
or 128, 256, 512
or something completely different
Your proposals please for:
Naming of the badge (e.g. Tech support Level 2, 3, 4; the higher the better)
Number of solutions to achieve this badge

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[Assistant]
Is there really a need?
Everyone I see on the "10-solutions" list is someone whose advice I respect and would not want to drop from a list that a newer or less-frequent reader might consider as "this person gives good advice".
I also suspect that most, if not all, on that list care more about providing help, communicating with the user base, and contributing to the project much more than they do about "stinkin' badges".

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jeff:
Is there really a need?
No, there is no urgent need to do that. The world keeps turning, the forum keeps running, even without that badge.
But I'd like to ask the question: Is there a reason NOT to show users which contribute a whole lot of their time in solving other users problems?
I find it remarkable that certain users have solved that many problems, and that we should honor these contributions.
No, you can not buy anything from these badges, but still, it is IMO usefull information for other users.

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Troubleshooter: 50 solutions
Super troubleshooter: 100 solutions
Guru: 500 solutions

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Title: How OpenWrt Vanquishes Bufferbloat

The OpenWrt Project is a Linux operating system targeting embedded devices. A common use of OpenWrt is to replace the manufacturer's firmware on a commercial, off-the-shelf router to produce a device with performance, features and security not available from the original vendor.
In addition, OpenWrt has been used as a research platform to investigate (and solve) the problem of bufferbloat: the undesirable latency that comes from a router or other network equipment buffering too much data. The first real solution came in 2012 with the introduction of the fq_codel queue discipline that made a "no knobs" way to eliminate bufferbloat. The CAKE algorithm (created in 2015, merged into OpenWrt in 2018) provided even better performance. These techniques have since been applied to Wi-Fi to decrease buffering delays by an order of magnitude (typically, down to 10-100 msec) from earlier drivers.
Bufferbloat occurs at a bottleneck — when fast links hit a slower link. This happens in a home router when Ethernet traffic reaches the slower ISP link, or when a fast laptop hits a slower Wi-Fi link. A router will queue up the data, to be doled out as it can. In a bad router, all the traffic goes into one queue, imposing a delay on the big flow as well as all other traffic. This is bufferbloat, and can reach several seconds, making the entire network "feel slow".
About Smart Queue Management (SQM)
OpenWrt minimizes bufferbloat using either the fq_codel or CAKE "Smart Queue Management" algorithms. These introduce a bottleneck queue within the router itself, generally, about 5% slower than the ISP link. This means that the traffic builds up in the SQM queues where they can be controlled.
Both algorithms work by separating all traffic flows into their own queues: this isolates low traffic flows from the high volume flows. SQM then round-robins between the queues, sequentially removing a "fair" portion of data from each queue and transmitting it. A large flow can't monopolize the bottleneck link, but will use the full capacity when there's no other traffic.
On ISP Connections
OpenWrt supports SQM to control all the traffic flowing through the ISP bottleneck connection to provide fairness to all flows, and minimize the latency for all packets sent through the link.
What devices support this? All modern versions of OpenWrt support both CAKE and fq_codel from the Network -> SQM QoS settings. (You may need to install luci-app-sqm first.)
How do I configure it? You'll need to enter download and upload settings into SQM. Enter values that are about 5% slower than your ISP's claimed speed. For more details, see SQM (Smart Queue Management) on the OpenWrt wiki.
On Wireless Connections
Since OpenWrt is an access point, it can manage all the traffic flowing toward the many devices ("stations") that it serves. The OpenWrt Wi-Fi driver uses the following features to reduce latency:
Individual transmit queues for each wireless station/client. Each queue uses fq_codel to control the amount of data queued for that station.
Airtime Fairness (ATF) to give each wireless client a fair share of the airtime as opposed to the number of bytes sent/received with ordinary Wi-Fi drivers. This ensures a low-rate (slow) station does not use up all the airtime (the so-called "WiFi anomaly"). ATF uses round-robin scheduling of all active stations to ensure they each use only their fair share of the available airtime.
Airtime Queue Limits (AQL) to prevent the chip hardware from queueing too much data for any one wireless station. Many wireless chipsets have significant (unnecessary) queueing. By default, AQL analyzes the actual bit rate for that station and ensures that no more than 12 msec of data is queued for it.
Modern OpenWrt supports the Wi-Fi driver for certain chipsets.
What devices support this? All MediaTek MT76xx and MT79xx chipsets support the three features. We are working to crowd-source Wi-Fi chip info information about Qualcomm Atheros chip sets.
How do you configure this? The default settings for the Wi-Fi drivers work well for virtually all situations. For more information about configuration, see this note.
On Variable Speed Connections
Many ISP data rates vary from hour to hour (or even second by second), for example, cable modems, Starlink, 4G and 5G cellular plans, etc. This is a problem for the CAKE algorithm because it uses fixed speed settings to control the buffering. This leads to sub-optimal settings: if you set the speed too high and the actual link speed drops, then the latency goes up. If you set it too low, CAKE artificially limits the potential transfer rate.
The cake-autorate algorithm addresses this. It continually measures the traffic load and latency to adjust the upload and download settings of the CAKE algorithm. See the README for more details.
What devices support this? All modern OpenWrt devices can install the cake-autorate software.
How do you configure this? The INSTALLATION.md instructions at the Github repo describe the process.

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[Assistant]
+1 for
@zekica
for summarizing well. With all the other comments, the article practically writes itself.
[bufferbloat] Does Airtime FQ replace the need to shape per client
Linux mac80211 wifi stack, used by ath9k, ath10k, ath11k, ath12k?, mt76, brcmsmac, rt2x00, rtl8xxxu, rtw88, rtw89 and possibly others was reworked to support ... all those good things listed in his list...
One outstanding question: How would a newcomer know which chip sets to favor?
Specifically, I see the WLAN Hardware entry in the Table of Hardware. Is there a "secret decoder ring" that helps me go from the following entries to the list above? Many thanks!
Router WLAN Hardware entry
WNDR3800 Atheros AR9220, Atheros AR9223
Archer C7 Qualcomm Atheros QCA9558, Qualcomm Atheros QCA9880-BR4A
Linksys WRT3200ACM Marvell 88W8964
Netgear R7800 Qualcomm Atheros QCA9984
Linksys MX4200 Qualcomm QCN5024, 2x Qualcomm QCN5054
Xiaomi Redmi AX6000 MediaTek MT7976GN, MediaTek MT7976AN
GL.iNet GL-MT6000 2.4GHz: MT7976GN 4T4R, 5GHz: MT7976AN 4T4R
etc. etc...

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Here is a non-comprehensive list, linux wireless wiki also has a mostly complete list:
ath5k = atheros 802.11a/b/g SDIO/PCI
ath9k = qualcomm/atheros 802.11n PCI
ath9k_htc = atheros 802.11n USB
ath10k = qualcomm/atheros 802.11ac PCI/SDIO
ath11k = qualcomm/atheros 802.11ax PCI
ath12k = qualcomm/atheros 802.11be PCI
mt76 = mediatek 802.11n/ac/ax/be SoC/PCI/USB except mt7601u usb and mt7620 soc
rt2x00 = ralink/mediatek 802.11a/g/n (only mediatek chip supported by this driver is mt7620, is not very stable and has issues with external power amplifier used in some devices)
brcmsmac = some Broadcom 802.11n/ac that use SoftMAC - see the wiki linked
rtl8xxxxu = an attempt to write a single driver supporting a range of Realtek 8xxx USB 802.11n/ac/ax chips and is the most modern driver - all other Realtek USB drivers AFAIK don't use cfg80211 or were not modernized to include all the features listed here.
rtw88 = 802.11ac PCI driver for Realtek chips
rtw89 = 802.11ax PCI driver for Realtek chips

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Let's face it, the only relevant wifi chipsets in 2024 are:
mt76
ath11k
with some caveats (as in 'only' 802.11ac) ath10k
(there's little bad to say here, but you're not going to buy new devices for it, even less if you are keen perfect performance)
Even if they had perfect bufferbloat support, 802.11g (ath5k, ar5523), 802.11n (ath9k/ ath9k_htc/ carl9270, rt2x00) really don't have any place in terms of decent performance anymore. Bufferbloat may be an important aspect, but so is basic throughput as well - and with that in mind, anything below 802.11ac doesn't meet the bar (and yes, I do still own everything from 802.11b and upwards, for a simple client with modest needs that may be fine, for your main AP and an expectation of smooth performance, no, not at all).
mwlwifi/ brcmfmac are each plagued by their own issues, and -as fullmac devices- won't ever give you driver side abilities to tune bufferbloat, the binary firmware is what it is.
The various Realtek chipsets have barely any support in OpenWrt at all. While rtw88/ rtw89 is getting vendor support for modern chipsets and rtl8xxxu quite some community support for older chipsets, I doubt anyone has tested it on OpenWrt (with AP mode) in anger at all.
Forget about brcmsmac, Broadcom just threw that stuff over the fence to kill off b43 and immediately forgot about it, it doesn't support AP mode at all.
We don't have any ath12k devices so far either, it will become relevant with ipq957x and ipq53xx some time in the future, but expect a double digit amount of months (my guess would be at least two years, celebrations if it's only going to be one year, but I wouldn't wonder if it's going to be 3+ years).

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[User]
Title: Was GL-iNet firmware compromised by the chinese national security law?

Hi,
after breaches into my systems it was soon clear it is one of my network devices. Since I expected this (somewhat) all network hardware based and manufactured in China Mainland will sooner or later be compromised, it seems like GL-iNet is now. I can proof that to a significant extend, via logs and screen recordings, dns requests by the OS the CCP uses (chinauos.com) their parent which is owned by the (broadly speaking) PLA uniontech.com which has even though I used DNS-OVER-TLS plus a VPN just routed all my requests to 127.0.0.1 and then with "0ms" ping directly to their systems. That worked for them
both with Cloudflare & Nextdns.
Be careful and
@Openwrt
team pls stop endorsing them, sadly not even HK is free anymore, it seems like the party is over. No cloud features of GL-inet were used/activated and SSH/Dropbear was disabled via Luci, didn't help. Its also suspicious that they only download the .ipk data from their servers, not from the official openwrt repos. Or that somewhere in the memory they must safe the UUID, since all devices I have from them let me reconnect to their cloud without login even after reflashing it with DD-WRT (in one case) in all others when I reflash from original OpenWrt back to GL-iNet Factory. That was always the case though.
Neither I or the VPN connection are remotely close to south-east Asia. Be careful folks.
/edit
I really hope I and the logs are somehow wrong but it seems increasingly unlikely.
I might add that I do not intend any harm on them, I do believe though that its out of their hands.

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[Assistant]
You don't provide much version info on the actual system that you are running...
Are you running and talking about the proper OpenWrt, or GL-iNet's proprietary OS (that is based on an older version of OpenWrt)?
something62256:
Its also suspicious that they only download the .ipk data from their servers, not from the official openwrt repos.
This part seems to indicate that you are running their OS, not the actual OpenWrt.

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That is correct, using their (edited) OpenWrt 19.07
I would recommend strongly to reflash the device to original openwrt for anyone.
I trusted them for years and they did a lot of good, its sad that they probably don't do this voluntarily, but I think they can't get around this law.

That information would best be added to the first post, if you can still edit it. Maybe also also add it to the post title, along with the word "suspected".

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[User]
Title: Insight from Google Fiber - WiFi Performance

[edit - I've removed the kitten reference - was cute, but not relevant to the content - I've also merged a post below with this one for clarity purposes, and edited for context -- sfx]

The author here was part of Google Fiber, and has some interesting stats across all things WiFi - Mesh, mixed mode, multiple AP's, beamforming, etc... Google Fiber, like many other ISP's, instrument their Customer Premises Equipment - mostly to gather performance statistics so that they can find opportunities to improve the level of service - they mostly don't care about your email or surfing habits - which is probably a topic for another day - but yes, most do collect data for performance reasons...

Anyways, excellent info and data here, very insightful - and it puts to rest many of the "urban myths" about WiFi, esp. in high density areas...

Below are the slide decks - pdf format, and very information dense -
http://apenwarr.ca/diary/wifi-consumer-mesh-apenwarr-201706.pdf
http://apenwarr.ca/diary/wifi-data-apenwarr-201602.pdf
Summarizing the interesting points - best to go thru both slide decks...

In General
Most folks will see about 8 overlapping AP's in 2.4GHz - not a bad thing
Performance impact with many nearby AP's - not really an issue until 50 or more neighboring AP's
Single Stream clients are very popular, although 2-stream clients are getting more common
Many clients are still single band 11n 2.4Ghz, but 5GHz is getting more common
Many WLAN's in the home space - about 20 clients - number of clients associated doesn't really matter
2.4GHz is still relevant - physics has a play here...
MDU's (apartments/condos) are generally better performing than single family homes, range is key
Speed Testing across WiFI to WAN - generally unreliable
More Spatial Streams - better - a 4-stream AP will outperform a 2 or 3 stream AP in every case
even with 1 or 2 stream clients - more radios on the AP add gain, and 4-stream AP's are always 4-stream, so precoding helps here - RF diversity gain for the extra radio, and coding gain from MIMO
2.4G performs well until RSSI is around -75
5G best place for RSSI is around -55
Between -75 to -45 dBm - performance is generally similar - there is a cliff that is hit, and perf drops rapidly after that point
Close range to the AP is not necessarily a good thing - min range is actually a real thing
I'm thinking this is a saturation thing that impacts Eb/No - clipping in the analog domain
Power - more power at the AP, generally not good - power is noise to adjacent networks, more power doesn't help clients - most WLAN's are going to be client driven, not AP driven
Note to @thiggins - should probably look at more clients in future reviews - you touched on this some time back with different client implementations with laptops (i'm missing the link, but it's there on the main site)
Channel Selection - goes back to power control mentioned above - Google has done some interesting things with minstrel with QCA chipsets
Interesting note - going back to 2.4GHz and Wide Channels - the 1/6/11 plan might be not be the best - author is actually suggesting 1/5/11 due to channel minimums on 11g/11n - which might mean that 1/4/8/11 might be validated in a very dense environment
Getting to devices - AP's, Clients, Extenders
Most generally work - but across different expectations - what works well for the 80 percent, well 20 percent might have problems - so change to a different device...
swap the device, solve the problem, at the risk of other problems, but generally most devices just work
Extenders generally don't work, unless they do - depends on that 20 percent above...
Bugs/Issues have gain - so if issues are with the root AP, they will be amplified with addtional AP's
Band Steering for Clients
Split SSID's generally perform poorly compared to common SSID
Common SSID's perform well - but does depend on client implementation
Band Steering can help, but Common SSID is a good approach for clients that do not support BandSteering
Apple generally does well in dual band common SSID, other vendors do as well
Ping-Ponging can be a problem in Dual Band Common SSID
AirTime...
AirTime Fairness is a good thing - a slow client can kill everyone without AirTime Fairness
Wide Channels in 2.4GHz - not as evil as most folks think - the secondary channel in 11n must check for clear air before transmitting, and then if possible, it will - get the bits across and clear the air afterwords...
Secondary Channel is only used if it can be - this is in 802.11n Specs
11ac - 80MHz seems to be the sweet spot for range/performance (my data concurs) - 40Mhz is ok, 20Mhz not much benefit, superwide 160 or 80+80 - at the moment, no - but something to consider in 2020 - noise floor is the limit there, similar to extended modulation rates (Turbo/Nitro QAM - might work in the lab/conducted, but in the real world, noise rules)
Beamforming
11n - basically doesn't work due to standards ambiguity
might consider disabling this on the AP
11ac - much better - required in any event, and a must for MU
TxBF support required for AP, optional for client
Can help, but it's complicated - regulatory issues restrict EIRP with beamforming
EIRP is limited to a max value, period - so might not be a benefit
Beamforming incurs overhead that might be better put to airtime instead
More AP's at lower power are preferred to a single AP with big power
MU-MIMO
telling that the author only sees the use case of TV set-top boxes
editorial - I agree - MU is good for static client locations and multicast/broadcast traffic as it stands with 11ac Wave 2
MU can suffer because of EIRP issues noted above with Beamforming
MU also incurs overhead, more than SU beamforming
Content is important - some traffic is better suited, some isn't because of overhead
MESH
Generally good
Better than AP's + Repeaters due to routing at the dot11 layer
More nodes - there is a limit - more nodes can be a problem with instability in firmware - if a crashed node is in the mesh (or a node with bad tables), the mesh can have problems overall
Location of nodes is critical - far enough to extend coverage, too close, clients might stick and not jump
Editorial Comment - this is my observation as well with 11n/11g efforts back in the 2010/2011 timeframe
Editorial Comment 2 - this aligns with experience on LTE with "smart antennas" and beam forming - better to have many small cells than one big one...

[Assistant]
More Spatial Streams - better - a 4-stream AP will outperform a 2 or 3 stream AP in every case
even with 1 or 2 stream clients - more radios on the AP add gain, and 4-stream AP's are always 4-stream, so precoding helps here - RF diversity gain for the extra radio, and coding gain from MIMO
I'm curious about this one, I wasn't aware that SOHO WiFi vendors were actually implementing MRC. I'm probably a little dated on this though.

80211WiGuy said:
I'm curious about this one, I wasn't aware that SOHO WiFi vendors were actually implementing MRC. I'm probably a little dated on this though.

MRC is more of a client thing - and pretty much anything with 11ac does it (it's transparent as it's handled at the baseband level, along with Rx diversity)

Sharing some thoughts and insight - and this goes back to a couple of articles on the main site...

https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/bas...751-snb-answer-guy-how-many-ssids-is-too-many

(it's a little known secret that I wrote the first article back in 2015)

and Tim's excellent follow up...

https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/basics/wireless-basics/33180-how-to-fix-wi-fi-roaming

Here's some basics of WiFi, and how devices pick and choose, and some realities of the WiFi channels in general...

The WiFi noise floor is around -90 dB - Good Wifi needs 20 dB, although with 802.11n, we can get by with good performance with 10dB.

Look at a crowded channel with a tool like Inssider or similar, you'll find a lot of WLAN SSID's around in the -70 to -80 dBm

And that's ok - even on the same channel as your current AP from the client perspective, as long as you have that 10 to 20 dB RSSI at the client.

It's a given that RSSI at the client is the trigger for Roaming, and that trigger for many is -65/-68 in traffic, to about 10 dB less in idle state... this is due to a couple of things, but basically, the beacon frame is transmitted at BPSK, even in 11n/11ac - BPSK has a huge amount of coding gain, and is used for channel estimation by the client.

One thing is very certain with WiFi Roaming, different SSID's will prevent roaming - as the candidate AP if a different SSID, means it's a different network, so most clients are not going to jump until the current SSID is lost.

This is where we have the "sticky client" problem - no reason to jump - RSSI is one thing, and the SSID/ESSID is the other.

So what if one is in a crowded WLAN neighborhood?

Good question - as apartments and the enterprise are rich with AP's, and this raises the noise floor - sometimes above the roaming triggers by many clients.

Yes, and it goes really towards the RSSI observed by the client that determines performance. If one can get that 10dB or better RSSI, you'll have good performance, if you can't, then it's just physics - as the noise floor starts to overwhelm the channel, and for engineers that do this stuff - we call it noise limited...

Which goes to one of the more cogent statements about WiFi... it's the client that is most important in relation to the AP's

The rule of thumb for decent WiFi coverage in most homes in the US - and that means wood-frame construction with sheetrock - 1500 sq ft for 2.4GHz, and 750 sq ft for 5GHz.

Punching thru walls - sheetrock is around 2.5dB hit on the link - plaster/lath (which is common in older homes) is around 5dB, and brick/cement is similar if not a bit more - depends on metal in the wall, but generally about a 5dB hit.

Most complaints about WiFi performance really is about distance to the AP itself... and performance there is is a 10LogR relationship - it's not linear, it's a log function.

Since WiFi is largely client driven, as they're the weaker hand - more power at the AP doesn't solve things, and higher gain antennas only flatten the pattern, which in multi-level homes makes things worse rather than better...

One of the better AP's I've found, and folks will give me a hard time about this, is the Airport Extreme AC - mostly because of the antenna pattern - it's a low gain antenna on that device, but it still pushes out a decent amount of coverage... it's "good" zone is actually pretty decent, esp in multiple level floor plans, and it works very well with mobiles and tablets, as they are also low antenna gain.


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[User]
Title: FAQ - Reserved Characters/Names - SSID/Passwords/Hostnames/Domains

Maintaining/updating this list - I've tried to capture most of the characters/words/ranges to avoid - if there are more, please reply to this thread and I'll update the list...

Changelist

08/9/22 - update for Thread IOT reserved HLD's (.home, .service)
08/11/19 - quick update about reserved domains and clarification on IP ranges for IPv4/IPv6
06/30/18 - let's talk about localhost/LOCALHOST - not good there - added comment on 1.1.1.1 and the cloudflare public DNS item.
06/23/17 - updated Link Local Ranges, SSID warnings for spaces/emoji chari
11/15/18 - clarification about private TLD's - safe to use .home, .corp, .mail for private TLD's as per ICANN, no conflict with public internet and TLD's there.
11/15/18 - clarification on characters - (+) sign is ok, but not recommended for certain identifiers
11/15/18 - mDNS (Bonjour/Avahi and .local) section added

========

This pops up often enough to be a General FAQ across SNB areas of interest...

Machine/Hostnames/SSID/Passwords - US-ASCII-7 A-Z/a-z/0-9 - Avoid ISO-Latin/UTF characters outside of the US-ACSII-7 character set

Note - with newer clients/AP's - UTF-8 may be supported - however for interoperability with clients, stick to US-ASCII-7 character set - test as needed.

(edit - that includes excluding emoji's ok, so please stop asking, some might think this is cool/cute, but no standards for what they mean or do across different platforms so what works for one OS/Platform might be represented differently on another platform)

Caveats;
First and Last Characters must not be a Period (.)
First Character must be an Alphabet or Numeric Character
Last Character must not be a Period (.) or a Minus Sign (-)
Underscore (_) has special purposes if first character - defines SRV records in DNS
Spaces can be a problem for SSID's with some clients
Special note for Windows Clients/Servers (including Samba for Router/AP shared disks and NAS units);
A period character separates the name into a NetBIOS scope identifier and the computer name.
The NetBIOS scope identifier is an optional string of characters that identify logical NetBIOS networks that run on the same physical TCP/IP network. For NetBIOS to work between computers, the computers must have the same NetBIOS scope identifier and unique computer names.
General Reserved Characters - these mean things across Windows/Mac/UNIX platforms, so avoid using them for domains/workgroups/hostnames/usernames/passwords/SSID's
ampersand (&)
apostrophe (')
asterisk (*)
at sign (@)
backslash (\)
braces ({})
caret (^)
colon ( : )
comma (,)
dollar sign ($)
exclamation point (!)
greater than sign (>)
less than sign (<)
number sign (#)
parentheses (())
percent (%)
period (.)
question mark (?)
quotation mark (")
slash mark (/)
tilde (~)
underscore (_)
vertical bar (|)
white space (blank)
NOTE - plus sign (+) It is valid for email and SMTP transport for username, e.g. "username+item@example.org" - as an identifier for items outside of email, it's up to the application developer to case this, as "+" (plus sign) can mean things in code if not handled correctly, similar to the exceptions noted above

Specific Machine/Host/User Names to avoid;

this is mostly focused on Windows, but in a cross platform environment, consider Samba and SMB clients - may not be case specific here, so just avoid them. Mixed case or not, just don't use these names...
localhost - yes, some clients use this, and it breaks things hard #samsung
LOCALHOST - see above
ANONYMOUS
AUTHENTICATED USER
BATCH
BUILTIN
CREATOR GROUP
CREATOR GROUP SERVER
CREATOR OWNER
CREATOR OWNER SERVER
DIALUP
DIGEST AUTH
INTERACTIVE
INTERNET
LOCAL
LOCAL SYSTEM
NETWORK
NETWORK SERVICE
NT AUTHORITY
NT DOMAIN
NTLM AUTH
NULL
PROXY
REMOTE INTERACTIVE
RESTRICTED
SCHANNEL AUTH
SELF
SERVER
SERVICE
SYSTEM
TERMINAL SERVER
THIS ORGANIZATION
USERS
WORLD
WPAD
ISTAP
Specific IP ranges;

IPv4 Private Networks - these you can use on your private network - they're non-public

192.168.0.0/16
172.16.0.0/12
10.0.0.0/8

IPv4 Link Local Addresses - this is handy if you need to do IP on a single span, and not jump out to public internet or across local networks if VLAN'ed;

169.254.0.0/16

IPv6 private ranges - fe80::/10 behaves same as IPv4 Link-Local

Private - fd00::/8
LinkLocal - fe80::/10
Carrier Grade NAT - avoid using this one

100.64.0.0/10
# Added LinkLocal addr's to the keepout ranges below

Keepout Ranges;

IPv4

1.1.1.1/8 - this is a bit complicated, many captive portals use this for redirection, but this is now a public DNS - was 'reserved' by APNIC, but not official
0.0.0.0/8 - Used for broadcast messages to the current network
127.0.0.0/8 - loopback addresses
100.64.0.0/10 - Carrier Grade NAT
169.254.0.0/16 - Link Local Range Ref - RFC3297
192.0.0.0/24 - Special Purposes for IANA registry
192.0.2.0/24 - TEST-NET - only for documentation - should never be used
192.88.99.0/24 - 6to4 anycast relays
198.18.0.0/15 - used for testing of internetwork communications across different subnet
198.51.100.0/24 - TEST-NET-2 - documentation purposes - should never be used
203.0.113.0/24 - TEST-NET-3 - documentation purposes - should never be used
224.0.0.0/4 - Reserved for future Multi-cast assignments
233.252.0.0/24 - MCAST-TEST-NET - documentation purposes - should never be used
240.0.0.0/4 - Reserved for future use - see IETF RFC6890
255.255.255.255/32 - reserved for limited broadcast destination address

IPv6

::/128 - unspecific address
::1/128 - loopback
::ffff:0:0/96 - IPv4 mapped addresses
100::/64 - discard prefix
64:ff9b::/96 - IPv4/IPv6 translation range
2001::/32 - Teredo Tunneling
2001:10::/28 - ORCHIDv1 - depreciated, but keep out
2001:20::/28 - ORCHIDv2
2001:db8::/32 - documentation purposes
2002::/16 - 6to4 range
fc00::/7 - ULA
fe80::/10 - IPv6 Link Local Addressing
ff00::/8 - multicast
Reserved Top Level Domains - see http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc6761.txt

This is focused more on scripters/3rd party devs/folks working with VPN clients...

The big ones that might not be entirely obvious is .local, .onion, .invalid, and .test - this is especially important if working with unicast DNS and other items that might be dependent on local service discovery (might also be on strong interest to those doing VPN or ipset lists).

Name Reference
10.in-addr.arpa. [RFC6761]
16.172.in-addr.arpa. [RFC6761]
17.172.in-addr.arpa. [RFC6761]
18.172.in-addr.arpa. [RFC6761]
19.172.in-addr.arpa. [RFC6761]
20.172.in-addr.arpa. [RFC6761]
21.172.in-addr.arpa. [RFC6761]
22.172.in-addr.arpa. [RFC6761]
23.172.in-addr.arpa. [RFC6761]
24.172.in-addr.arpa. [RFC6761]
25.172.in-addr.arpa. [RFC6761]
26.172.in-addr.arpa. [RFC6761]
27.172.in-addr.arpa. [RFC6761]
28.172.in-addr.arpa. [RFC6761]
29.172.in-addr.arpa. [RFC6761]
30.172.in-addr.arpa. [RFC6761]
31.172.in-addr.arpa. [RFC6761]
168.192.in-addr.arpa. [RFC6761]
254.169.in-addr.arpa. [RFC6762]
8.e.f.ip6.arpa. [RFC6762]
9.e.f.ip6.arpa. [RFC6762]
a.e.f.ip6.arpa. [RFC6762]
b.e.f.ip6.arpa. [RFC6762]
example. [RFC6761]
example.com. [RFC6761]
example.net. [RFC6761]
example.org. [RFC6761]
invalid. [RFC6761]
local. [RFC6762]
localhost. [RFC6761]
onion. [RFC7686]
test. [RFC6761]

Multicast DNS, aka Bonjour, Avahi

This technology uses the .local as domain name, and the UDP/5353 port for service discovery and resolution - avoid using .local or UDP/5353 for other purposes

Safe Private Domains - as per ICANN agreement - these can safely be used without conflict with public TLD's

.home - deprecated due to Thread (see below)
.corp
.mail

While RFC6762 suggests that "private", "internal", "intranet", and "lan" - the verbiage is 'should', ICANN has only agreed to the TLD's mentioned above

.lan - becoming more common as OEM and FOSS distro's (OpenWRT, etc) are starting to default here

Avoid the following Private Domains

.local - conflicts with Avahi/Bonjour
.onion - conflicts with TOR at application level
.invalid - conflicts with other embedded firmware
.test - conflicts with other embedded firmware

Set asides for OpenThread - updated 08/09/22

Reference - Permissionless Advertising and Discovery of DNS-SD Authoritative Zones
draft-tljd-dnssd-zone-discover-00

.service
.home

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I'll remind folks about the multi-cast blocks - 240.0.0.0/4 and 224.0.0.0/4 blocks (multicast ranges) - these are special cased...

Zeroconf uses the APAIA ranges (with CIDR this is a lot) but generally 169.254.0.0/16 as a block to keep out of for internet purposes - this is a private Class B block, but they're link-local only and cannot be routed outside of the local subnet, many clients may use that block, and any IP's within that block, first for DHCP requests/assignments.. at least with Windows machines...

That being said - that block is reserved for link-local access - so that is an option for a stand-alone network outside of the internet.

Hope this helps out folks - these are basically keepout zones for assigning addresses, but also useful when digging thru packet captures while debugging.

[Assistant]
The plus (+) character is not referenced here, but is a valid character for email addresses. Can you please see this thread and take a look at fixing/allowing the use of the + symbol please?

https://www.snbforums.com/threads/vpn-client-bug.49831/

Thank you

It is accepted by the VPN provider. My email (with a plus) is the login. Can the firmware be fixed to transmit my login correctly?

One thing that I've noticed is that the private IP address ranges are not fully blocked off with regards to RADb etc., so for reverse dns lookups I have come across (and poked until they fixed it) some registered ip ranges which should not exist. In my case it was the 172.18.x.x range that showed up as part of an AS entity.


[System] You are a professional Wi-Fi router support assistant; I will provide forum posts as background material, and you should learn from them while remaining aware that forum content may be incomplete, outdated, or incorrect — when uncertain, explicitly note that you are uncertain and refer the user to official documentation or other authoritative sources for verification.

[User]
Title: Network Reference Library - WiFi Resources

There's many sites out there that have some excellent guidance for network planning - thought I would start a thread here to get a good library of links that folks can review.

[Assistant]
Aruba Networks

http://www.arubanetworks.com/resources/reference-design-guides/

Apple Airport Extended Networks

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4145

Note - good info here that is _not_ Apple centric

Not trying to make this bash one vendor or advocate for another thread

Think of it this way - many of the vendors, and other sites have some excellent user resources - some are plainly spoken to a broader audience, and some have some great detailed information as well.

For example -- http://www.cwnp.com/index.php

Or this -- http://blogs.aerohive.com/

and this -- http://www.digitalairwireless.com/wireless-blog.html


[System] You are a professional Wi-Fi router support assistant; I will provide forum posts as background material, and you should learn from them while remaining aware that forum content may be incomplete, outdated, or incorrect — when uncertain, explicitly note that you are uncertain and refer the user to official documentation or other authoritative sources for verification.

[User]
Title: The Ars Technica semi-scientific guide to Wi-Fi Access Point placement

decent introduction to the issues and basic guide for placing access points

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/202...ntific-guide-to-wi-fi-access-point-placement/

[Assistant]
Jim did a good job on this one. I wish I'd written it. Good, practical advice on AP/mesh node placement.

Really great piece! It's one to hand around when you see someone scratching their head!

Rule 5: Above head height, please

This is really a practical rule; I never understood AP's that are plugged into 120V outlets that are 12 to 14 inches above the floor. * And, the manufacturers suggest/show this location for many of the small AP's that are on the market. I do not know if the Mfgr's change how the antenna's transmit the signal, but these AP's may be good for dust bunnies .


[System] You are a professional Wi-Fi router support assistant; I will provide forum posts as background material, and you should learn from them while remaining aware that forum content may be incomplete, outdated, or incorrect — when uncertain, explicitly note that you are uncertain and refer the user to official documentation or other authoritative sources for verification.

[User]
Title: What Are Sticky Clients? 802.11k,v,r Explained

Great article from WiFi Nigel explaining why some devices don't like to move to a better AP (or wireless extender) and what you can do about it.
What Are Sticky Clients? The article also explains 802.11k and v.

This Microsoft Article talks about Windows 10's support for 802.11k,v,r.

Here is Apple's description of iOS support for 802.11k,v,r.

Another Apple roaming reference: Wireless roaming reference for enterprise customers

Mysteries of Wi-Fi Roaming Revealed.
7 Signal whitepaper. Requires submitting name and "organization" but no email.

[Assistant]
Interesting article...

Should note that idle vs. active clients - it's about a 10 dB difference when camping across different AP's - and there's a threshold there before a client will jump...

-70 dBM is a rough number as many clients have different receive sensitive and sleep timelines....

sfx2000 said:
-70 dBM is a rough number as many clients have different receive sensitive and sleep timelines....
so how does that relate to Roaming assistant in the asus profesional wifi settings

as you can adjust the -70db threshold up or down

pete y testing said:
so how does that relate to Roaming assistant in the asus profesional wifi settings

as you can adjust the -70db threshold up or down

It's a challenge, as the RSSI threshold is on the device, not necessarily on the AP, and different devices... so for tuning Asus Roaming Assistant, what might be good for a tablet might not apply for a handset or laptop...

The other challenge, like I mentioned above, is that idle/sleep, the device may camp, whereas having an active application accessing the WLAN, the threshold might step from -70 to -60 (depends on the client implementation).

active/idle handoff is very dependent on how the vendor has implemented things on the device - the AP might be able to help, but again, this is also implementation.


[System] You are a professional Wi-Fi router support assistant; I will provide forum posts as background material, and you should learn from them while remaining aware that forum content may be incomplete, outdated, or incorrect — when uncertain, explicitly note that you are uncertain and refer the user to official documentation or other authoritative sources for verification.

[User]
Title: WPA status - WiFi Security and WiFi7

Curious to see where folks are - not a loaded question, but it's relevant to where WiFi7 is with security...

MLO requires WPA3 on any band it is used with, even on 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz...

[Assistant]
@thiggins - similar to the IPv6 poll a couple of weeks back...

Wi-Fi 7 mandates the support for WPA3 and Enhanced Open (based on OWE) along with Protected Management Frame (PMF) for the clients to operate in802.11be data rates and features like MLO. There are new AKMs (AKM 24 and 25) added for WPA3-Personal. Additionally, Wi-Fi 7 requires beacon protectionfor both the AP and the Wireless Clients. With MLO, security needs to be established across all the links of a multi-link association. The security requirementsare to mainly make the Wi-Fi networks more secure and protect against cyberattacks.

I only have a wifi6 capable router (An RT-AX86U_Pro) as I own zippo in the way of Wifi7 capable devices.

When I got the router that supported it, I enabled the WPA3 (and now the Mac I use to develop for ios was satisfied -- it was right unhappy about things being WPA2).

Trying to get off of WPA2 entirely isn't doable as we have devices that don't know nothing about no WPA3. Even our one year old SleepNumber bed cannot handle it.

So it's pointless/impossible to make a WIfi7 device that doesn't support WPA3 because you won't be able to connect at such speeds without it? Or are we going to see routers that don't enforce this requirement in the spec because of this?


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[User]
Title: Arrival of DOCSIS 4

My cable tech told me to wait on buying a home cable modem as DOCSIS 4 is around the corner. But so is Christmas. Any info, rumors or town criers know the status?

[Assistant]
We can't answer for you because that is provider-specific. Only your provider would be able to tell you what their upgrade plans are.

Don’t see it happening any time soon with any ISP around me. The best we get is DOCSIS 3.1 with up to 200Mbps upload, if lucky. And this is something new, the upload was limited to 50Mbps not long ago.

Tech9 said:
Don’t see it happening any time soon with any ISP around me. The best we get is DOCSIS 3.1 with up to 200Mbps upload, if lucky. And this is something new, the upload was limited to 50Mbps not long ago.
VIdéotron has been on an hybrid 3.0/3.1 architecture for like 8 years now, with no end in sight for the 3.0 portion. One of the problem is the legacy junk using up lots of frequency bands that would be needed for a 3.1 migration. Hence, their best service is still 940/50...

I remember one US ISP (might have been Comcast) who did announce plans for 4.0 deployment in the near future. Dunno what's the latest news on that front. I stopped caring about DOCSIS since I moved to FTTH.


[System] You are a professional Wi-Fi router support assistant; I will provide forum posts as background material, and you should learn from them while remaining aware that forum content may be incomplete, outdated, or incorrect — when uncertain, explicitly note that you are uncertain and refer the user to official documentation or other authoritative sources for verification.

[User]
Title: Mobile hotspot provides internet for home network

Hello guys, newbie here... I am really sorry if this is not correct topic, didn't found more suitable one...

I have to rebuild my home network, and due to my limited knowledge I would like to ask you for help.
Requirments:
- 2 WIFI APs
- wireguard on router if affordable for me
- internet connection is hotspot from mobile phone
Connected devices:
1 Synology NAS (LAN)
1 desktop computer (LAN)
3 phones + 2 tablets (WIFI)
2 TVs (WIFI)

So what I've been able to figured is Asus RT-AX58U V2 (WIFI1) as main wifi and router (with wireguard for whole network except NAS), set as AP and client simultaneously (is this called mediabridge?). Client would be connected to hotspot with internet. Then, for wifi signal extinsion, WIFI1 would be connected with LAN to WIFI 2 - RT-AX53U, also set as AP and client simultaneously. This is the tricky part, because mobile hot spot will be moving between WIFI1 and WIFI2... Will it work like that? Or any other solutions?

I don't have WIFI1 or WIFI2 yet, so I'm open for suggestions if my choices are not suitable. I already own TP-link Archer C2 V3, but it not looks like it can handle this requirements...

[Assistant]
Venca said:
Hello guys, newbie here... I am really sorry if this is not correct topic, didn't found more suitable one...

I have to rebuild my home network, and due to my limited knowledge I would like to ask you for help.
Requirments:
- 2 WIFI APs
- wireguard on router if affordable for me
- internet connection is hotspot from mobile phone

1 Synology NAS (LAN)
1 desktop computer (LAN)
3 phones + 2 tablets (WIFI)
2 TVs (WIFI)

So what I've been able to figured is as main wifi and router (with wireguard for whole network except NAS), set as AP and client simultaneously (is this called mediabridge?). Client would be connected to hotspot with internet. Then, for wifi signal extinsion, WIFI1 would be connected with LAN to , also set as AP and client simultaneously. This is the tricky part, because Or any other solutions?

I don't have WIFI1 or WIFI2 yet, so I'm open for suggestions if my choices are not suitable. I already own TP-link Archer C2 V3, but it not looks like it can handle this requirements...
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No, it will not work. When you set a router to media bridge mode you lose all the basic functions of a router. Wireguard or OpenVPN will not work. You could connect an Android phone to a router using a USB cable in what is called tethering and that does work. But for the long haul you would be better off using a cellular modem or some dedicated device from your provider.

Thank you for your input.
bbunge said:
When you set a router to media bridge mode you lose all the basic functions of a router.
Does this also mean that the DHCP also will not work?

The hot spot is on mobile phone which I really use as mobile phone, so using USB cable is not suitable. But maby another cheap wifi as client connected to WAN port of router could do the job? Or maby just USB WIFI dongle connected to router? Would it work?

Venca said:
Thank you for your input.

Does this also mean that the DHCP also will not work?

The hot spot is on mobile phone which I really use as mobile phone, so using USB cable is not suitable. But maby another cheap wifi as client connected to WAN port of router could do the job? Or maby just USB WIFI dongle connected to router? Would it work?
Click to expand...
I've been using this one for years with zero issues on my RT-AC86U -> ZTE MF833U1


[System] You are a professional Wi-Fi router support assistant; I will provide forum posts as background material, and you should learn from them while remaining aware that forum content may be incomplete, outdated, or incorrect — when uncertain, explicitly note that you are uncertain and refer the user to official documentation or other authoritative sources for verification.

[User]
Title: WiFi 6 GHZ only works when Legion 5 is away from Netgear RAXE500 router

I just recently purchased a Lenovo Legion 5 (Gen 14th Intel based) Gen 9 laptop which is a Chinese version.

This laptop has trouble detecting 6 GHZ network when my laptop is in close range with the Netgear RAXE500, I have all the latest updates including, drivers, bios, but the problem still persists.

My mom's Asus laptop has no issues detecting the 6 GHZ and so is my ROG 6 phone which has no issues connecting to the 6 GHZ

I believe it to be a problem with the bios restricting the usage of 6 GHZ since this band isn't officially allowed in China.

The shop won't accept returns, so I may have to sell this problematic Lenovo and get the one which is made for my region.

If any expert here would share their thoughts on this, I would be grateful.

[Assistant]
Maybe you should turn down the router's Tx power a bit.

tgl said:
Maybe you should turn down the router's Tx power a bit.
But this isn't an issue with other devices, just the Lenovo. Why? Is it because it's a Chinese version? Are Tx Powers in China much lower?

Sachb said:
This laptop has trouble detecting 6 GHZ network when my laptop is in close range with the Netgear RAXE500
So are you saying that the laptop can connect when it is moved further away from the RAXE500? It is only at close range that you have a problem?


[System] You are a professional Wi-Fi router support assistant; I will provide forum posts as background material, and you should learn from them while remaining aware that forum content may be incomplete, outdated, or incorrect — when uncertain, explicitly note that you are uncertain and refer the user to official documentation or other authoritative sources for verification.

[User]
Title: Exploring options to improve WiFi coverage

Hello dear community,

I am, sadly, in a bad edge coverage situation and I am looking for options to improve the signal around some edges.

Building situation:
- 2 floor apartment, with reinforced concrete structure (including ceiling/floor) and masonry walls (I have attached the plan)
- Upper floor ceiling made out of drywall on wooden structure
- No ethernet wiring and no possibility to pull wires through walls
- Router (ASUS RT-AC68U) placed on the lower floor, on the green dot. Currently the router is sufficient for most of my needs. I am already thinking of exchanging it because of EoL software, but I'm not eager to do so since it still works perfectly fine.
- Home office desk placed on the red dot with occasional dropped meetings (Lenovo T14 Gen2)
- 7 other wi-fi (both on 2.4 and 5 GHz, respectively) networks seen by my Samsung S24 at the location of the router, with multiple others seen around the edges of the apartment

I thought of the following solutions, in no particular order:

1. Buy a co-ax white cable and place one of the router's antenna's on the upper floor, at the blue dot. Probably getting it just above the floor level would be enough.
- It would probably be the cheapest solution, barely visible.
- I am not sure if the results would be significantly better

2. Buy an PoE AP and place it at the same blue dot. I happen to have a switch with PoE capabilities
- More expensive and I am not sure I will be able to find a thin enough AP to pass the wife audit.
- I cannot find any reasonably small AiMesh compatible APs from ASUS

3. Buy a wi-fi extender and plug it in one of the sockets I have on the wall outside the bathroom.
- Probably the most plug and play solution, but not sure about the results. Currently no speed or lag critical clients ever make it to the upper floor.
- Will definitely add to the already crowded spectrum in the building.

What would you do? I open to other solutions beside the above.

Thank you!

[Assistant]
loft said:
What would you do?

Buy a new, current WiFi6 wireless router or perhaps 2-unit wireless/mesh system with dedicated wireless backhaul (third band)... newer, faster, and more effective WiFi radios at distance... and then re-evaluate your need from there.

OE

@OzarkEdge 's suggestion is probably the best answer if you want to stay within the ASUS ecosystem (ASUS doesn't do PoE-powered APs as far as I know). However, if you are in an already wifi-dense building then a setup with an additional radio for wireless backhaul is not a really great plan. It might work okay, or it might encounter so much interference as to not work well.

Since you seem to be willing to run an ethernet cable up the stairwell, I think you should seriously consider the alternative of placing an AP with ethernet backhaul (and, probably, PoE power) at the top of the stairs. That avoids all the issues that come with wireless backhaul. A model that might pass the WAF (wife acceptance factor) test is the UniFi U6 Mesh AP.

If you just buy that AP then you will need something to configure it with --- UniFi APs don't have an inboard management GUI. I think you could get away with using the free UniFi phone app to configure it. If you wanted to go all-in on UniFi then replacing your RT-AC68U with a UniFi "cloud gateway" (probably the UX7) would be the next step, but you don't need to do that if the immediate goal is just to improve your home office wifi experience.

Thank you guys for your suggestions! They have pushed me into really checking the router market and I got to a couple of conclusions:

- With their prices (at least in Europe) Ubiquiti would push me into 500+ € territory with a router and two APs - didn't even pitch this to my wife
- Buy and Asus AX88U Pro for 241 € and use the current AC68U as an extender - got the wife's approval to pull some wires around the door sills and such. Might even manage to get it into the attic
- Go with the above scenario but go one step above and buy an BE88U (300 € at the time
- Go with the wife's suggestion and buy a cheap Asus AX ruter (plenty of options under 100 €) and use ut as an AiMesh node.

I am aware that the last 3 conclusion are 3 very differnet paths in terms of future proofing my network:
1. Will probably not have to think about upgrades for a 5 to 10 years, unless some things change dramatically: I buy an NVEm based NAS, more Wifi 7 clients join the network?
2. Will probably be set for the next decade, unless updates stop coming and some serious bug is found.
3. For now things are cheap. But my AC68U is already at the end of its software lifetime and probably I'd only be pushing the today's upgrade for another time in the next 3-5 years.

Do you have any comments on my 3 upgrade pahs?

Thanks!


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[User]
Title: Fiber on the way, new Unifi system planned

I currently have two Asus ZenWiFi AX6600 routers configured in a mesh system. I am getting 2G fiber installed and as part of that move am replacing my current setup with Unifi. I want to make sure that my plan for the new network hardware and installation makes sense.

My house has two levels, a basment and an upstairs. Both floors need to have wifi and wired connections and currently do. My current broadband is xfinity and it enters the house in the basement at the front corner of the house (north and east) house. The router in the basement is connected to a pihole, laser printer, and synology NAS which are all hardwired. There are several wifi devices in the basement.

Upstairs there is a second Asus ZenWiFi AX6600 in the office which is centrally located and at the back side of the house (south). There is a wired hardline between the two routers for increased performance and reliability for the backhaul. The upstairs router has multiple hardwired PC's and a 3D printer. From this router these is also a hardline that runs into the entertainment room that is connected to an 8 port switch which connects multiple game consoles, tv's, streaming stuff (Apple TV), etc. The entertaiment room is towards the west/back side of the house.

My plans are to replace the current setup with a Unifi system. Because of availability I have already ordered a Cloud Gateway Fiber (it came back into stock so I jumped on it). It seems like a solid choice for my needs and now I need to get some AP's and switches. Here is where I am less sure.

For AP's my thoughts were to get 2 of the U7 Pro Wall. But after using the layout tool, it seems I would have a fair number of areas where the signal drops off. My house is ~2500 sq. ft. The basement is mostly open so I thought ohe U7 Wall Pro by the router would be adequate, but the coverage does not extend across the entire basement. The 1st floor, where there are walls to deal with is, as expected, even worse. One thought I had was putting a U7 Wall Pro on the office wall facing towards one of the house. And then, adding another U7 Wall Pro to the other side of the wall facing towards the other end but that seems like it would cause more problems than it would address.

Lastly, I will need to add switches in my office and entertainment area. What would you recommend for switches? I will have to power AP's but not cameras for now. I might add some in the future. My goal is to have 2.5G in all areas, but since the switch in the entertainment room will be linked to the switch in the office should I have 10G ethernet in the office switch to have enough capacity to prevent saturation?

I will be amazed if anyone gets all the way though this without thinking that this guy does not have a clue and then moves on. If you have made it to here I really appreciate it and if you can provide me with some guidance or suggestions I would be grateful indeed!

Let me know if I can provide more info, I do have the exported PDF from the Unifi design center which I can post too if it is useful.

Thanks!
-g

[Assistant]
How does the basement look on the heat map if you use a ceiling mounted AP centrally located ?
Save yourself some cash and continue to use 1 Gbit/s switches as what you describe for the use case would seem to have more than enough bandwidth with 1 Gb/s . Use power injectors, with the correct supply spec for the APs, instead of a POE switch for now.

WIFI 6 or 6e is likely good enough for the users and use case described since most clients appear to be hardwired. A few phones and tablets with a laptop or two is not much bandwidth. Most will have 2x2 wifi 5 or 6 radios anyway.

i would keep the cameras attached to a NVR/DVR and not on the main network. If not possible, dedicate a switch to them and the NVR/DVR to segment the traffic. You should only need access to the NVR/DVR output over the intra and internet..

Add 10Gbit/s switches when you have a strong use case and the local traffic exceeds what 1 Gbit/s can support. Prices will be down by then as well.

And just use your AX6600s as APs

UCG-Fiber with 2x USW-Flex-2.5G-8 or USW-Flex-2.5G-8-PoE is more than enough Gateway and Switching for home network. Can have 2x 10Gbps uplink to switches, if needed. About APs - you have to find what works best for your needs. Can't suggest anything for an unknown place in unknown region. Multi-AP systems work best with more APs on low power.

Located in Mpls area,suburb.

Basement, 49 ft. x 25 ft.

Upstairs


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[User]
Title: Wi-Fi Direct

https://mypublicwifi.com/publicwifi/en/index.html

I am using this program for it with just sharing (no internet) but what I can't figure out is why it is speed limited it seems. No I do not have any speed limits on. It barely goes over 30 to 50 Mbps if I am lucky. Ever now and then a little higher. I thought it supported up to 250 Mbps ? I don't need that max. Just minimum 150 or I will even take 110 Mbps. If possible. It is with a old laptop but even though that could be the problem I tried a new usb 3.0 wireless adaptor that is wifi 6 same problem. With normal internet wifi and local network wifi with my router in house it is much faster. Instead of 15 to 19 MB/sec I get 25 to 30 MB/sec with local network file transfer over wifi. So it does not make sense. Unless that just the way Wi-Fi Direct works ? The devices I am using it on is a newest iPhone 14 Pro Max and a older iPad. Thought maybe that was the problem but even on the newer iPhone it has the same problem.

Like this:

[Assistant]
You are comparing a custom designed and optimized chipset and programming in your router with multiple radios to a generic PC laptop with a single 2x2 radio likely running an OS optimized for general purpose use. Not surprising at all to me.

ng4ever said:
It barely goes over 30 to 50 Mbps

Is this program creating 2.4GHz hotspot only? I don't see any options for band on their UI pictures...

Tech9 said:
Is this program creating 2.4GHz hotspot only? I don't see any options for band on their UI pictures...

Not sure will check.

If it is 2.4GHz WLAN hotspot I am not sure if you can change it.


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[User]
Title: TV wifi connection help

My apartment came with wifi included, its a basement apartment and the router is in the upper area that I don't have access to. My landlord did install an ethernet cable for my desktop computer. The problem I have is that the connection my bedroom TV gets is terrible. Streaming is inconsistent and frustrating.

So not really sure what I can do about it, the ethernet is pretty good, fast enough speeds for me. Is there any way to boost the signal somehow? I don't really have any idea where the router is located upstairs. The distance from where my computer is, to the place the problem TV is, is around 20 feet, and has a wall separating them.

[Assistant]
Rather than connect your computer to the provided Ethernet cable, you could connect an access point or mesh system. You'd then set up your own Wi-Fi on this, and if you get the right one, still be able to connect a cable to your computer. Just be aware that your connection will be insecure, your landlord, and possibly other residents will be able to snoop on your unencrypted data.

ArtNeko said:
My apartment came with wifi included, its a basement apartment and the router is in the upper area that I don't have access to. My landlord did install an ethernet cable for my desktop computer. The problem I have is that the connection my bedroom TV gets is terrible. Streaming is inconsistent and frustrating.

So not really sure what I can do about it, the ethernet is pretty good, fast enough speeds for me. Is there any way to boost the signal somehow? I don't really have any idea where the router is located upstairs. The distance from where my computer is, to the place the problem TV is, is around 20 feet, and has a wall separating them.
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Instead of setting up an AP connected to the Ethernet cable running to your apartment double NAT a router connected to the Ethernet cable. Since the Ethernet cable will connect to the WAN port on the double NATed router it will be secure.


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[User]
Title: A Little Fuzzy - How many devices can be connected?

When growing up, 1 + 1 = 2 and not 22. Where does this lead me? Will, I've got a router that can only handle 25 devices (ASUS). I also have 5 more IP CCTV cameras that I need to add to this router to make it work. So how can I do it?

[Assistant]
Adding context to this goofy thread:
Too many devices to handle?
I currently have the GS-AX5400 ASUS router. I think I have more devices that it can handle. So which way should I go?
www.snbforums.com

That's the router I put away for a wifi 6/7 and wish I didn't. It states that it can handle up to 25 devices. But with the extra devices I have now, how can I add them? and still have the router not drop the ball on me or misplace devices that should be there?

timlab55 said:
It states that it can handle up to 25 devices.
Where does it state this?
timlab55 said:
how can I add them?
You mean “join the WiFi network” or “plug into a LAN port”? What other “add” step are you referring to?
timlab55 said:
and still have the router not drop the ball on me or misplace devices that should be there
This is gibberish. Routers don’t drop balls or misplace things. Wireless connections might drop, router might reboot, processes might crash. You should describe what actually happens and is visible in the router’s system log when it happens if you want useful help or advice.


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[User]
Title: 5g/LTE connection and gaming ping, simple solution without QOS, will you do it?

hi, i have 5G/LTE connection, it is slow, barely get 20 mbps and 15 mbps D/U during peak and this is when i want to game as well..........
i have used cake-autorate, cake, asus adaptive, but in theory it does not work and in reality as well does not work except cake-autorate. However cake_autorate maybe bogs down as well because it is using CPU and with too many connections it will succumb and will high ping.
My proposal is:
CPE - > mainRouter - > QOS limit bandwidth to AP - > all wifi from AP and only on mainRouter wifi for gaming.

Anything i am missing here?

[Assistant]
One thing that might help with 4g/5g connections - drop the MaxMTU down a bit - try 1420 on the WAN interface, and step it up to where it breaks...

it is set to 1500 as default, i have changed TTL to 65, i have selected only LTE, because 5G NSA makes both speed and latency poor.

safwan264 said:
it is set to 1500 as default, i have changed TTL to 65, i have selected only LTE, because 5G NSA makes both speed and latency poor.

5G, even NSA, is going to be better than LTE because of service priority at the cellular base station...

and if you leave MaxMTU at 1500 - well, that's your choice, but it will fragment packets there...

TTL really doesn't matter at the WAN side for 4g/5G these days - used to, but with 5G and 5G-SA deplpyments, that workaround is basically dead-ended...


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[User]
Title: Will have to buy a new router?

Fiber coming soon from Dobson, my router is a Asus RT-AX58U will I have to buy another router
this is all new to me

[Assistant]
Ronb55 said:
Fiber coming soon from Dobson, my router is a Asus RT-AX58U will I have to buy another router
this is all new to me
No, just make sure the ISP provides an ONT and not another router.

Unless your fibre connection is faster than 1 Gbps, then the RT-AX58U will be fine.

If it's faster, then you might want a router that has at least two multigig ports (one for the WAN, and at least one to connect to a 2.5 Gbps network switch) to avoid capping your speed at 940 Mbps.

Not at all. Just make sure they deliver Cat5e/6 from the ONT to the router and NOT Coax.

I have Verizon FiOS and the set-top boxes need internet access via their coax aka MoCA, so you will likely do what I did: Use their router for that bridge functionality. I've put mine into a DMZ of the router, and it knows NOTHING about my network otherwise. Not used for wifi or any other functionality. The IP addresses its DHCP gives out are on another subnet. In short, It thinks its at the gateway, and it knows nothing about my network's existence, thus making the security of this device the provider's problem. I can't even access it easily because as far as it is concerned, my network is on internet-facing side from it.


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[User]
Title: DNS assignments - AT&T BGW320 gateway and TPLink Deco

BGW320 AT&T fiber access point, IP Passthrough Mode
TP-Link Deco BE65Pro Mesh, Router Mode (not access point)

On the Deco app I have setup cloudflare DNS, under Advanced->DHCP Server. Primary and secondary. An ipconfig on my PC shows the cloudflare DNS assigned to my ethernet adapter on the PC. I assume then, that the setting on the TP-Link app serves to push those DNS servers down to client devices and that is the expected operation.

If I check the main Deco device via web interface, the DNS entry that shows up there corresponds to the address of the BGW320 gateway.
The BGW320 gateway does not have the cloudflare DNS addresses present. It has what looks like the ISP DNS.

So, being a novice at best here, am seeking to understand what's going on.
1. Why does the Deco have a different DNS entry of its own, vs. what I see and configure under DHCP server in the app? It doesn't seem possible to change this.
2. If I change the DNS settings on the BGW320 gateway, assuming that's possible in IP Passthrough mode, will that ensure that the ISP DNS is completely out of the picture?

Thanks

EDIT: This may be the issue I'm having. I forgot to change the MAC passthrough on the gateway.

[Assistant]
Riptide said:
If I check the main Deco device via web interface, the DNS entry that shows up there corresponds to the address of the BGW320 gateway.
Got a picture to explain this? Be clear on what gateway address you are referring to.

Your router is doing the DNS queries. You can use a DNS leak website to verify.

If your network is small/simple and want to be for sure for sure, you can configure DNS servers on the devices.

Justinh said:
Got a picture to explain this?

Their ISP provided Gateway was configured as a Router sending whatever was configured there for DNS (default ISP DNS servers most likely with own LAN IP address as DNS Proxy) to its clients. The Deco behind it is a client to the ISP Gateway. The final result is the same - Deco clients get Cloudflare DNS with or without double NAT situation before the Deco. The ISP still can track activity by IP address, they don't need DNS queries.

Tech9 said:
Their ISP provided Gateway was configured as a Router
But he is using it in passthru mode, so the Deco is not a normal client device, even if it does get a LAN IP address. Anyway, yep, same result.
I'm not clear on what IP addresses he's referring to.


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[User]
Title: Not registering Modem caused ISP to not accept modem

Not sure if I am understanding this or how to search.
I had internet issues back in Feb. Long story short ASUS router died.
Then last week, more issues, and I replaced my SB8200 ( I thought it was the 6183) with a S33. My girlfriend had to as I was away.. Then it died a few days later. Rebooted, worked for a couple more, then finally it died.
Xfinity came out and just left. They check everything from hub to back of modem. All is fine. Hooked TV to modem directly, to bypass ASUS, and still nothing.
Make a long story short, xfinity, even though they registered the S33 had my old modem still in the system, and kept blocking new modem. And due to it not being registered, they were cutting it off.
Due to me not being there, they put my 8200 back in and it immediately worked.
So, how is it possible for a modem to not work at Xfinity even though they activated it several times?
Tried to register today, no phone support and live chat was down.

[Assistant]
If you have replaced your modem, then you need to sort it with the ISP

I did.
Xfinity tech showed up. They tried everything to activate it. They had two techs on speaker phone working with him to get it done. It was connected, they saw it, but no data. They ran ethernet directly to the tv, laptop and their was nothing. The ASUS was working fine, no red light on, and the laptop and TV saw it, but when logged in, no data.
The account had my old modem still in there. I think that there tells me their end is the problem. When activated, the new modem shows up, but is offline, even though it shows the modem. But modem was offline. It worked a bit, then quit for a couple days..
So, Cable was looked at and fixed, according to xfinity. What they fixed is unknown.
But, once they put my old modem back in and activated it again. Everything worked fine.

An xfinity person reached out and believe Xfinity failed the provisioning of the modem. Not sure what that means


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[User]
Title: Amazon Kindle can't connect to internet

I have many devices on my network that don't have any issues, however my Kindle sometimes fails to connect to my wi-fi network and when it does, it states that it can't connect to the internet, however none of my other devices on my network have an issue.
I've tried both 2.4g and 5g without any luck.

I'm using a RT-AX86U Pro router with Merlin Firmware (latest version). My Lan DNS setting

These are my WAN DNS settings

I believe it is something to do with DNS, but I'm not entirely sure. What measures can I take to troubleshoot this further?

[Assistant]
Find the Kindle on the Wireless Log page. How long is it connected? Does it show an IP address? What Kindle model is it? Many older ones only connect to 2.4 GHz. What are your 2.4 GHz settings?

It's a 11th generation Kindle

Here is my 2.4g settings

It seems every 2nd time I try and connect to the 2.4G network, it connections, but can't see it in the logs.

Your Kindle connected to the Wi-Fi network but could not reach the internet.
If I retry, it can't connect to Wi-Fi..


[System] You are a professional Wi-Fi router support assistant; I will provide forum posts as background material, and you should learn from them while remaining aware that forum content may be incomplete, outdated, or incorrect — when uncertain, explicitly note that you are uncertain and refer the user to official documentation or other authoritative sources for verification.

[User]
Title: Another WiFi network as a source of internet

Hi forum,
let me start with with what I have, then what I'd like to achieve:
at home I use ASUS RT-AX86U Pro with OpenVPN server running. My previous router, RT-AC86U Pro I've set up as OpenVPN client, and when I travel, I take it with me - when it starts it automatically conencts home and me & my family can access everything like we'd be able at home network.
All of that works, as long as I can connect my RT-AC86U Pro to internet RJ45 ethernet cable while we stay at some accomodation. As you can imagine, not all, actually very few offers this.
We'll be travelling soon, and we'd like to stay connected to my home network - I don't really know whether router will be physically accessible at our accomodation.

Now the question: how I can connect to another WiFi network with my RT-AC86U Pro, and use this network as a source of internet ?

In the web settings of AX86U Pro, under administration / Operation mode, I can see options 'Repeater mode' and 'Media Bridge'. Can one of those modes be used for my purpose ? If so, which one ?
It seems to me that 'Media Bridge' mode is the one for my needs, although the description there confuses me:
---In Media Bridge mode, only wireless devices connect to the P-AP. Client devices need to be connected to the Media Bridge with a network cable.---
will OpenVPN client work in such mode ?
see attachment

has anyone made it work yet ? Surely I am not the only one whith such request ..

[Assistant]
Your Asus routers don't support WISP mode, which is what you're asking for. There are numerous posts asking this same question. Search for posts on "travel routers" or "hotel routers".

P.S. Are you sure you have a RT-AC86U Pro?

mocnak said:
my RT-AC86U Pro

There is no RT-AC86U Pro model...

mocnak said:
connect to another WiFi network

No, this feature is called WISP and is available on travel routers only. Asus have RT-AX57 Go model, GL.iNet have multiple.

mocnak said:
Can one of those modes be used for my purpose ?

No, Repeater is exactly what is says, Media Bridge is wireless-to-wired LAN only clients. Unrelated to what you need to do.

thanks a lot for very quick response. And yes, it's RT-AC86U without Pro


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[User]
Title: Is it worth developing a piece of hardware based on MTK Wi-Fi 7 chips that can run OpenWrt?

We've been exploring options and it seems that currently, only the Banana Pi BPI-R4 supports Wi-Fi 7 with OpenWrt. However, it appears to be more of a development board than a typical router. We're considering whether it's worth developing a Wi-Fi 7 enabled router based on MTK chipsets, that enthusiasts can run with open-source OpenWrt, allowing for various customizations.
Although we're more familiar with Qualcomm's Wi-Fi 7 technology, Qualcomm hasn't been particularly active in supporting the open-source community. As a result, the open-source OpenWrt operating system currently doesn't support Qualcomm's Wi-Fi 7 chips. Therefore, if we want to run open-source OpenWrt, MediaTek (MTK) is our only option.
Based on MediaTek chipsets, we have the following options:
Option A:
CPU, MT7988A, Quad-Core A73, 1.8GHz
Wi-Fi, Tri-band 4x4 Wi-Fi 7
2x 10GbE
4x GE

Option B:
CPU, MT7988A, Quad-Core A73, 1.8GHz
Wi-Fi, Tri-band, 2x2 2.4GHz, 3x3 5GHz, 3x3 6GHz
2x 10GbE
4x GE

Option C:
CPU, MT7987, Quad-Core A53, 2GHz
Wi-Fi, Tri-band, 2x2 2.4GHz, 3x3 5GHz, 3x3 6GHz
3x 2.5GbE

We would greatly appreciate your feedback. Please let us know which option interests you. We're seriously considering launching this product to the OpenWrt community. Of course, we'll definitely have a pricing advantage over Banana Pi.

[Assistant]
I think if you are looking at an enthusiast targeted device, then two 10GbE and the other ports being 2.5Gbe would be nice. Noting that you've ;listed all the Wi-Fi as 2.4GHz, that I assume is a typo. If that were the case, it's probably something that I'd buy. *And even if it's sheet metal, it needs a case!

Crimliar said:
I think if you are looking at an enthusiast targeted device, then two 10GbE and the other ports being 2.5Gbe would be nice. Noting that you've ;listed all the Wi-Fi as 2.4GHz, that I assume is a typo. If that were the case, it's probably something that I'd buy. *And even if it's sheet metal, it needs a case!
Thanks for your feedback. I corrected the spelling error.
Unfortunately, MTK's chip only supports two 10G ports, which is a bit limiting. If we really need to support 2.5G, we might have to use one of the 10G ports to connect an external switch chip. This would allow us to expand to one additional 10G port and four 2.5G ports. The question is, would this solution be feasible?
Addtional, what is your Wi-Fi part requirement?
Yes, it will has a case, plastic or metal.

gocoax said:
Thanks for your feedback. I corrected the spelling error.
Unfortunately, MTK's chip only supports two 10G ports, which is a bit limiting. If we really need to support 2.5G, we might have to use one of the 10G ports to connect an external switch chip. This would allow us to expand to one additional 10G port and four 2.5G ports. The question is, would this solution be feasible?
Addtional, what is your Wi-Fi part requirement?
Yes, it will has a case, plastic or metal.
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I would just use a dual 2.5Gb port M.2 card. Since a router setup doesn't require fast storage, and the SD card + 8gb on board will easily take care of that.

As far as programming, I would think you would have to deploy and tune STP across the different speed interfaces. But I would use Ubuntu over WRT because it has queue management these don't.


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[User]
Title: Fidium Fiber and IPV6

Has anyone been able to get IPVv6 up and running with Fidium fiber? I was told that it could not be implemented on their provided equipment and that I would need to get my own router if I wanted IPv6. So I bought one and set it up. I tried many different combinations in the settings but was never able to obtain an IPv6 address. I once again reached out to support asking if their IPv6 was native or static or dynamic or if I needed a prefix. They said that they could not help me with router settings and to contact the manufacturer. I replied that I am not looking for them to help me set up my router but looking for information about their IPv6 service and never heard from them again. Their tech support really sucks.

After doing a little internet sleuthing, it appears that they may not have even deployed IPv6 yet. At first they said it would be deployed in 2023 then later in 2024 and no real news since. I am currently using 6to4 tunneling but would like native IPv6. Does anyone know if it has been rolled out and have it running yet?

ETA: They also lied about the Adtran 854v6 not being able to handle IPv6.

[Assistant]
Tech9 said:
Area specific perhaps?

Will ipv6 will ever come?
by u/Round_Personality483 in FidiumFiber
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Thanks, that is one reddit post that I had not seen while searching. It was also the newest post that confirms my suspicion that they haven't even deployed it and tech support either didn't know or lied.

Not surprised. I pay for four residential ISP lines and two don't have IPv6 support in 2025. Luckily all four provide public IPv4 WAN IP address and it doesn't really matter. All my networks run with IPv6 disabled including business networks (even with IPv6 available).

InkyRag said:
I am currently using 6to4 tunneling

No much point doing it. It's still IPv4 and may add additional latency. If you have no Native IPv6 available just use whatever is available. No need of extra complications for no reason. If you have public IPv4 WAN IP available - nothing to worry about. Call this ISP and ask them what's the plan for your area. My two ISPs with no IPv6 are "considering network upgrades" in the future.


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[User]
Title: Wifi 7 performance is more than just marketing...

I finally went ahead, and upgraded my laptop with an Intel BE200 wifi card, and did a few file copy tests.

This is a file copy done from another room (so, with one wall between my laptop and my router proving that you don't need to be in the same room as some are claiming), and also without MLO - just a regular 6 GHz connection, at 320 MHz channel width:

I am now bottlenecked by the 2.5 Gbps interface on my NAS, so I don't even know what the real capability of the connection is. My link rate was around 3400 Mbps at the time, so it's probably just slightly above that. That means I can't test MLO's actual capabilities since I don't have anything else faster than 2.5 Gbps on my network to test against.

With the previous Wifi 6e card, I was previously hitting between 150 and 200 MB/s, depending on circunstances.

[Assistant]
Im happy to see you make the jump personally. Chow on the dog food so to speak.

I have a very similar experience on my network setup; although I am using a Qualcomm FastConnect 7800 instead of an Intel BE200
I had shared this photo in the WireGuard benchmark thread but to give a reference point again; the link speed even through walls is nuts on WiFi 7.

(Same as you; no MLO regular 6 GHz connection, at 320 MHz channel width)

I can't put wires or cables in the walls due to renting. But with WiFi 7; I don't really miss it...
Sure it would be better for latency if I did run cable; but by how much?

Not enough for me to justify running cables, or in my case; doing Powerline Network Adapters or MoCA.

Yeah, the future is WIFI 7 with 6 GHz support, glad that you can test that now. I am hoping my next router will be RT-BE92U, which supports both.

RMerlin said:
you don't need to be in the same room as some are claiming

Define "wall"... because what we have here between the rooms is this:

In my younger years in Europe I was thinking breaking walls with hand in Hollywood movies is just dramatic enhancement, but when I moved to North America I found it's a real thing and one doesn't have to be Schwarzenegger to achieve similar effect without CGI.


[System] You are a professional Wi-Fi router support assistant; I will provide forum posts as background material, and you should learn from them while remaining aware that forum content may be incomplete, outdated, or incorrect — when uncertain, explicitly note that you are uncertain and refer the user to official documentation or other authoritative sources for verification.

[User]
Title: How to set Virgin Mobile Canada "Steve" to Bridge Mode/ Modem Only

Hi! I'm new to this forum and I hope Im in the right section..

I just moved to Canada few days ago and got my home internet from Virgin Mobile. They provided me a modem router "Steve" (Bell's Home Hub 2000). I have an ASUS AC5300 with Merlin Firmware. I would like to use the modem router as a modem only to use my AC5300. I called support and they said bridge mode is not possible.
My knowledge with networking is limited. I've seen something similar case about setting the Bell Home Hub 2000 to a "Bridge Like Mode" as the bridge mode is only possible to the 1000 model. Can anyone please help me with this?

[Assistant]
mbneidel said:
Hi! I'm new to this forum and I hope Im in the right section..

I just moved to Canada few days ago and got my home internet from Virgin Mobile. They provided me a modem router "Steve" (Bell's Home Hub 2000). I have an ASUS AC5300 with Merlin Firmware. I would like to use the modem router as a modem only to use my AC5300. I called support and they said bridge mode is not possible.
My knowledge with networking is limited. I've seen something similar case about setting the Bell Home Hub 2000 to a "Bridge Like Mode" as the bridge mode is only possible to the 1000 model. Can anyone please help me with this?
Click to expand...
I assume that you already read the top google search result that I just found about configuring the Home Hub 2000 to point to your router as the DMZ.

Internet Man said:
I assume that you already read the top google search result that I just found about configuring the Home Hub 2000 to point to your router as the DMZ.
Hi! Yes I have read that one, though Im not sure how exactly to do it.

1. After setting up my AC5300 to DMZ in my Modem/Router, do I still need to connect via PPPOE?
2. Do I need to contact my ISP for my PPPOE username and password?

Thank you for the fast response.

mbneidel said:
Hi! Yes I have read that one, though Im not sure how exactly to do it.

1. After setting up my AC5300 to DMZ in my Modem/Router, do I still need to connect via PPPOE?
2. Do I need to contact my ISP for my PPPOE username and password?

Thank you for the fast response.
Click to expand...
The Home Hub would still be what connects to your ISP and handles the routing functions of your network. You would basically configure the AC5300 as an access point and set it as the DMZ in order to be able to port-forward through it (if necessary).


[System] You are a professional Wi-Fi router support assistant; I will provide forum posts as background material, and you should learn from them while remaining aware that forum content may be incomplete, outdated, or incorrect — when uncertain, explicitly note that you are uncertain and refer the user to official documentation or other authoritative sources for verification.

[User]
Title: News Dave Täht (co-creator of fq_codel, CAKE, LibreQoS) has died

[Bloat] In loving memory of Dave Täht <3

In loving memory of Dave Täht
04/01/2025We are devastated to report that Dave Täht has passed away.Dave was an amazing man, helping the world with FQ-CoDel and CAKE, fighting bufferbloat and trying to make the world a better pl…
libreqos.io

Remembering Dave Täht
blog.tohojo.dk

[Assistant]
This is really sad. I've exchanged a few emails with him in the past, he was a very friendly person.

this should be pushed up to the top of the list...

I had the pleasure of discussing things with him some time back - always the gentleman...

In loving memory of Dave Taht by thebracket · Pull Request #684 · LibreQoE/LibreQoS
Adds a memorial page for Dave. We miss you dude.
github.com