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[User]
Title: I need some advise to upgrade Asus AI mesh setup

I currently have an Asus AI Mesh system in a two-floor house. The main box, an RT-AC68U, is on the first floor, and a node, an RT-AC66U B1, is on the second floor. Additionally, I have an RT-AX57 as a second node on the first floor, though it adds no real value. It slightly extends the network to the yard outside the house. These nodes are using Wi-Fi as the backhaul.

I had a cable network, but it has been upgraded to fiber optics. At the same time, I want to upgrade my local network. The end of the fiber optics cable will be at the other end of the house in the utility cabin. From that cabin, there will be two Ethernet cables: one to the first floor and one to the second floor. Does anyone have any suggestions about which new routers to buy?

I still want to stick with Asus.
The new backhaul will be wired.
I am looking for reliable, long-service-life routers, somewhere in the mid-price range.
The AI Mesh main node will be in the closed utility cabin, which will significantly block the Wi-Fi range, I think. So, there is no real reason to invest in a high-end main node router?
The first-floor AI Mesh node will be handling almost all the Wi-Fi load. I currently have about 35 clients on the network.
Will the RT-AX57 still be good as a node on the second floor since it is a secondary area?
Can I still add, for example, the old RT-AC68U as an AI Mesh node in the garage, or will it bring down the performance of the whole network if all other nodes are Wi-Fi 6 devices?

[Assistant]
smau said:
I currently have an Asus AI Mesh system in a two-floor house. The main box, an RT-AC68U, is on the first floor, and a node, an RT-AC66U B1, is on the second floor. Additionally, I have an RT-AX57 as a second node on the first floor, though it adds no real value. It slightly extends the network to the yard outside the house. These nodes are using Wi-Fi as the backhaul.

I'd plan on retiring all of that kit sooner than later.

smau said:
I had a cable network, but it has been upgraded to fiber optics. At the same time, I want to upgrade my local network. The end of the fiber optics cable will be at the other end of the house in the utility cabin. From that cabin, there will be two Ethernet cables: one to the first floor and one to the second floor.Does anyone have any suggestions about which new routers to buy?

Given wired backhaul and buying now, you would be served well enough by dual-band WiFi-6 models.

ASUS is moving forward with ASUSWRT 5.0 (3.0.0.6.* firmware) which currently requires 'Pro' model routers.

A new WiFi-6 AX router will provide better effective coverage than your old models, so you may want to start with one main router and see how it works in your radio space. If one AP, then centrally located; otherwise, 2 APs spread far apart. This flexibility is subject to your ISP demarc location and how wires are or can be run... but would look like this:

fiber ISP <wire> AiMesh router (root node) <wire> AiMesh node

Candidate models I'd consider are RT-AX88U Pro and RT-AX86U Pro... the AX88U Pro has two 2.5GbE ports, the AX86U Pro has one... if your fiber ISP ONT has a 2.5GbE port, it could be wired like this:

fiber ISP <wire 2.5GbE> RT-AX88U Pro router <wire 2.5GbE> RT-AX86U Pro node

smau said:
I am looking for reliable, long-service-life routers, somewhere in the mid-price range.

Shop sales. In the US, you can trade in an old router to Best Buy for 15% off a new router... I did this recently and got the AX88U Pro, on sale for $240, for $204.

smau said:
The AI Mesh main node will be in the closed utility cabin, which will significantly block the Wi-Fi range, I think. So, there is no real reason to invest in a high-end main node router?

The main router should be the one with the best specs... it's doing the heavy lifting. It should also be in conditioned air, if possible, to keep it running as cool as possible. Plan A would be to run Ethernet to where you locate it, and from there to the second router/node.

smau said:
The first-floor AI Mesh node will be handling almost all the Wi-Fi load. I currently have about 35 clients on the network.

The main router would serve well here with most clients including media center devices (ideally wired) connecting to it and then straight out to the Internet. I would build this first. My AX88U Pro covers 3 1650 sq ft levels, more or less... depends on surrounding building materials... dense materials like masonry attenuate radio more than 2x4s and drywall.

smau said:
Will the RT-AX57 still be good as a node on the second floor since it is a secondary area?

Maybe, you can try it and then decide. It will not support VLAN WLANs now being introduced in ASUSWRT 5.0 for Pro models. You could upgrade it later... it may go EoL sooner than later.

smau said:
Can I still add, for example, the old RT-AC68U as an AI Mesh node in the garage, or will it bring down the performance of the whole network if all other nodes are Wi-Fi 6 devices?

It is EoL, slow, and not worth the trouble it will likely cause with new kit... I would retire it. That said, you can try it!... the trick with AiMesh is to make informed first choices in the right direction and then upgrade from there as required, pushing old kit out to node duty. ASUSWRT 5.0 and 'Pro' models defeats this approach somewhat, but you have to expect some of this for new tech to be introduced. Be sure to consider the overall cost of ownership including maintaining and using it.

OE

Hi, thanks for the suggestions. The ExpertWiFi series is new to me. What would be the pros and cons of going with these compared to consumer models?

Also, when browsing through different models, I am a bit confused by similar-looking devices like the RT-AX5400 vs. the TUF-AX5400. What are the main differences between those two, for example?

TUF models have more gaming features than the RT models. (I was comparing between the two, or more specifically RT-AX82U).

ExpertWiFi is very new business grade equipment. (When I open available instructions the last I saw showed Copyright 2024). Since you have a RT-AC68U still in service like I do you tend to keep them a very long time, so a new release will very likely last longer.

When planning your Ethernet wiring it would be good to have an understanding of how ASUS designed AiMesh to be connected:

[AiMesh] How to set up ASUS AiMesh or ZenWiFi Mesh Ethernet backhaul under different conditions ? (Advanced setup with network switch) | Official Support | ASUS USA


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[User]
Title: replace Mediacom's equip

Hi. I'm looking to replace my internet provider's (Mediacom) combo router/modem. I'm currently 'renting' their Hitron Coda-4589. Looking for suggestions to buy my own new router and modem (or a combo unit?). The only specs they tell me that are necessary is that the modem has to be 3.1 . My needs are for streaming on 3 different tv's in 3 different rooms. No internet phone. No gaming. Mediacom has done away with their cable tv coming through the cable hooked to the back of your tv or tv converter box. Now everything is either streamed through a little Tivo box or I can use my Firestick and use the Xtream app (which I'm doing) My current setup just isn't working well. I've got an old house (1909) with lots of separate rooms so I imagine it's harder to get that wifi signal to where it needs to be. New to this group and have an average understanding of how this stuff works, so be patient with me!

[Assistant]
What country are you in ?
It sounds like you don't need general wifi, just connection to TVs, correct ?
Is there coax cable to each room or room of interest ?
If so, what is the spec RG-59 or RG-6 ?

A plot plan view of each floor would be helpful, showing the walls and any cabling outlets, cable entry points, existing Hitron, users, etc. Rough overall dimensions as well.

Given that the Hitron is a AC wave 2 device, your not likely to see much if any improvement replacing it with a single AX unit. IF the walls are as interfering as you think they are, you will want to use ethernet backhaul between the central wireless router and access points. You might as well keep the Hitron and use it, with or without the wireless turned on.

I'm in the USA. No, I most certainly need ONLY good wifi. As I (tried) to state in initial post, Mediacom no longer uses coax to each room/tv/cable box. They have transitioned to wifi (TIVO) boxes (or I can use my firestick with the Mediacom Xtream app). The ONLY place I have Mediacom cable connected to is the back of the Hitron modem/router. I'm just trying to get better speed/wifi connection to my tv's for general tv watching or streaming with Netflix, etc. Right now, I have good signal as long as I'm using the SD channels on my Firestick or tivo box.....when I switch to the HD channels, that's when I get buffering. Perhaps I need a mesh system? Like I said, be patient with me!

If there is cable in the wall, not connected to anything, you may be able to use it for MOCA to distribute the ethernet LAN to near the TV locations. Then use one or more APs to create a high bandwidth wireless signal at the TVs. Wired backhaul works more reliably than wireless backhaul ( aka "mesh" ). That doesn't mean wireless backhaul cannot work.
Just replacing your existing Hitron with an AX class wireless router/modem may or may not make any difference since the Hitron is already AC wave 2 spec. If they are renting the Hitron to you, then sure, you can save the money and replace with your own box. Just don't expect much if any wireless coverage distance or throughput improvement.

Without seeing anything about the physical layout of the house, the walls, etc and the location of the Hitron and the client TVs, we really can't tell you much of value. All you can do is experiment. Just make sure the store you purchase from allows open box returns.

One other possibility is that the client devices at the TVs are the issue rather than the Hitron. If you are able to use an iPad or laptop or phone ( wifi only mode) in the same area as a TV, do you see the same bandwidth limitations ?


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[User]
Title: Best 600m2 3 floor mesh system for good coverage

Hello guys ! I m looking to upgrade my Asus RT-AX92U mesh system ( 2 pcs ) to something that can cover all the space . I m not sure if there is something which would be significantly better in terms of coverage than what i currently have . The actual system works pretty good , i have 1 Gbps fiber and i can pull around 700 mbps through the 5 ghz network but it s coverage it s pretty weak . Was thinking that maybe in the next years i ll upgrade to 2.5 gbps if it becomes available in my area but i feel that 1gbps it s more than enough for now . There will be around 20-25 devices connected maximum and the thing i m craving most it s stability as i ve encountered a lot of problems with those firmware updates of the ax92u. . Saw a lot of reviews who are praising those NetGear Orbi's , are they worth it over my current setup ? Thanks a lot !

[Assistant]
Switch to a SMB grade system instead of consumer if you want stability. Many threads in this subforum about this and suggested brands.

Thanks a lot for the recommendation ! Would 2 pcs of Ubiquiti U7 Pro Max fit better ? I saw that Ubiquiti is more used in that enterprise area but i m not sure if i should place the order on 2 U7 Pro Max if their coverage would be drastically better and also if they are plug and play like the RT-AX92U is . I m kinda a newbie when it comes to networking skills . Thanks again !

Maanu1131 said:
I m kinda a newbie when it comes to networking skills

Option 1: Stick to AiMesh, Orbi, Deco and it is what it is. Option 2: Pay someone to plan and install SMB system for you professionally.


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[User]
Title: Help needed to make a decision with new WiFi at home

Hi All,

I need some help with new router, my previous Asus RT-AC88U is not working and showing red light on front. I have been reading here and looks like the most recommended is Asus AX88U. Should I just buy that or look into AP network and utilize my ethernet wires? I would really appreciate your help.

Few Details about the house and needs
I live in two story house approx. 3800 sqft.
I have ethernet and coax cables iwire throughout the house
My PS5 is hard wired with port forwarding
I have home theater room where I would like to take hard wired advantage as well.
We both work from home.
Router location is center of the house under the stairs. I never had any issue with the coverage in my house.
I have 1000 MBps internet from spectrum
We have 15-20 devices connected.

Thanks!

[Assistant]
Or try this second setup?

UniFi Express Gateway
Lite 8 PoE Switch
U6 In-Wall WiFi

Thanks!

If Ubiquiti system fits your budget and you know how to set it up properly - sure, go for it. Cloud Gateway Ultra though, not Express. The Lite 8 switch is okay plus the needed number of In-Wall in right places... up to Gigabit capable system, but step up from consumer gear. Expandable, configurable, well supported, In-Wall APs have extra LAN ports for wired devices. Clean, invisible.

Tech9 said:
If Ubiquiti system fits your budget and you know how to set it up properly - sure, go for it. Cloud Gateway Ultra though, not Express. The Lite 8 switch is okay plus the needed number of In-Wall in right places... up to Gigabit capable system, but step up from consumer gear. Expandable, configurable, well supported, In-Wall APs have extra LAN ports for wired devices. Clean, invisible.
Thanks for your reply. So, I would need at least two of the Wifi in-walls (ground and first floor)?


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[User]
Title: Opinions on Acer Predator Connect T7 as a WiFi 7 router?

I'm currently looking for a WiFi 7 router for a 1GB internet connection for a small 1 bed flat as I already have 2 WiFi 7 Laptops and a OnePlus 12 which supports it. With a bunch of other WiFi networks in my building, I think WiFi 7 seems like a good option. I also do require 2 ethernet ports (For a PS5 and Desktop).

While looking I've noticed the Acer Predator Connect T7 which costs £200 on Amazon (Amazon UK). The specs on Acer's product page (T7 product support) in the User manual do indicate some really good specs at this price point such as 4x4 MIMO on 5GHz and 2x2 on 2.4Ghz and 6GHz where other WiFi 7 routers at this price point such as the TP link BE550 (Which costs £300) only have 2x2 on all bands. The only downside I could see atleast for me is the lack of 2.5GBe ports (Just 1 2.5GBe Wan and 2 1GBe Lan).

Was wondering if anyone had any thoughts if this is a good WiFi 7 router to get or if anyone already has one as I can't seem to find any reviews online about it.

Other notable specs are:
CPU: Qualcomm IPQ5322 + QCN6274
RAM: 1GB
Storage: 512MB

[Assistant]
What brand/model is your current router?

I wouldn't even bother replacing something AX-class for 2 laptops. Don't even count the phone, it has nothing to do with Gigabit speed. Unless you do very large transfers over Wi-Fi and the laptops really need high speed your Internet experience £200 or more later will be exactly the same.

Acer is not a big name in wireless routers.

I would steer clear of Acer routers, the reviews of their WiFi 6 products are not great and the consumer feedback I've seen is not great either.
The fact that Acer doesn't even have a firmware download page for their routers is a huge red light for me.
On top of that, different Acer sites seems to suggest different specs, so it's unclear what's on offer.

And don't expect to use 6Ghz in the uk, it's disabled here because ofcom are dragging their heals. There is mention of some band sharing deal with the mobile networks competing for the 6Ghz band but don't hold your breath, 2026 at the earliest, if it happens at all.
Waste of money going 802.11be right now.


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[User]
Title: ASUS GT-AX11000 Pro vs ASUS GT-AXE11000

Hi guys,

I want to buy a new router and retire my RT-AX88U (not pro).
Currently I am looking at ASUS GT-AX11000 Pro and ASUS GT-AXE11000.

I've been looking at them for several days not and I cannot decide which one to buy.
Please advice.

Of course, if you have something else to recommend, you are more than welcome.

Michael

[Assistant]
I asked Chat GPT to compare the two routers.

When comparing the ASUS GT-AX11000 Pro and ASUS GT-AXE11000, several factors should be considered depending on your specific needs, such as performance, future-proofing, Wi-Fi standards, and value for money. Here’s an overview of the differences from various perspectives:

1. Wi-Fi Standard
• ASUS GT-AX11000 Pro: This is a Wi-Fi 6 router (802.11ax), meaning it supports speeds up to 10 Gbps and offers improved capacity and performance compared to Wi-Fi 5.
• ASUS GT-AXE11000: This is a Wi-Fi 6E router, an upgraded version of Wi-Fi 6. The main difference is the addition of a new 6 GHz frequency band, offering significantly less interference and higher speeds in crowded environments with many devices.

Winner: ASUS GT-AXE11000 due to its more future-proof Wi-Fi 6E technology, which provides better performance on the 6 GHz band.

2. Speed and Performance
• ASUS GT-AX11000 Pro: It delivers up to 11,000 Mbps total wireless speed across three bands (2.4 GHz, 5 GHz x2).
• ASUS GT-AXE11000: It also offers up to 11,000 Mbps in total, but with the addition of the 6 GHz band, which can result in even faster speeds and lower latency if you have compatible devices that can use this band.

Winner: ASUS GT-AXE11000, since the 6 GHz band improves performance in high-bandwidth environments.

3. Future-proofing
• Wi-Fi 6 is still highly capable and will remain relevant for several years, but Wi-Fi 6E will likely be more future-proof, especially as more devices begin supporting the 6 GHz band.

Winner: ASUS GT-AXE11000, thanks to Wi-Fi 6E and its support for the new 6 GHz band.

4. Features and Ports
• Both routers have similar advanced features, such as tri-band technology, support for AiMesh (enabling easy expansion into a mesh network), multiple Gigabit Ethernet ports, and robust security and gaming features. Both are also designed for high-performance gaming.
• GT-AX11000 Pro, however, has a slightly upgraded processor and more ports, including a 2.5G WAN port and better support for more simultaneous devices.

Winner: ASUS GT-AX11000 Pro due to better port support and more powerful hardware.

5. Price
• ASUS GT-AXE11000 tends to be more expensive due to the latest Wi-Fi 6E technology.
• ASUS GT-AX11000 Pro is slightly cheaper but still offers excellent performance.

Winner: ASUS GT-AX11000 Pro if price is an important factor for you.

6. Gaming and Special Use
• Both routers are optimized for gaming with dedicated features for low latency, QoS (Quality of Service), and custom traffic management to enhance the gaming experience.
• GT-AX11000 Pro has slightly better handling of more simultaneous devices, which can be advantageous in households with many gamers or heavy network loads.

Winner: ASUS GT-AX11000 Pro has a slight edge with better network management for more devices.

Summary:
• ASUS GT-AXE11000 is the best router if you want the latest Wi-Fi 6E technology and maximum future-proofing, especially if you have or plan to use devices that support the 6 GHz band.
• ASUS GT-AX11000 Pro is a more budget-friendly option that still offers excellent performance and features, and may be the better choice if you don’t need Wi-Fi 6E right now.

Recommendation: If you want to be future-proof and have the best performance for modern and upcoming devices, go with GT-AXE11000. If you want to save some money but still get powerful features and solid performance, GT-AX11000 Pro is an excellent choice.

Forget AI BS. GT-AXE11000 is an old mode router with discontinued hardware and no Asuswrt 5.0 support. Get newer GT-AX11000 Pro.

Tech9 said:
Forget AI BS. GT-AXE11000 is an old mode router with discontinued hardware and no Asuswrt 5.0 support. Get newer GT-AX11000 Pro.
Does the AX11000 Pro support Wifi 6E?


[System] You are a professional Wi-Fi router support assistant; I will provide forum posts as background material, and you should learn from them while remaining aware that forum content may be incomplete, outdated, or incorrect — when uncertain, explicitly note that you are uncertain and refer the user to official documentation or other authoritative sources for verification.

[User]
Title: Wireless Router for VPN Access from China

Looking for router recommendation for built in VPN use.

We have a 4 bedroom family apartment in China. A number of us live oversees. I want to setup a router with built in VPN so we don't need VPN on all our devices. We have a 1Gbps fiber internet with a modem + router already for Chinese internet. The idea is to plug this router into the existing router and setup a separate wifi network for VPNed international access for family gatherings. My VPN has directions for Asuswrt-Merlin, OpenWRT and DD-WRT. Will mostly be used for emails, general internet usage, YouTube and some mobile iPad gaming to keep kids busy. But we will have potentially 6-8 people with probably a dozen devices at the same time for family gatherings. As this will only be used for a few weeks a year I'm looking for an affordable good enough solution.

I was recommended RT-AC86U w/ Asuswrt-Merlin which costs about $559 here in China or $80 USD. While researching this I came upon this site and discovered that it an old router that is now considered EOL and will not get future software support.

I did a bit more research and it seems like maybe I should upgrade to one of the following:

RT-AX88U Pro - $1299 or $185 USD
RT-AX86U Pro - $1099 or $157 USD

But even these seem to have questionable updates past end of 2024. The question is given my use case is it worth more the 2x the price to get one of these? If so which one is better and is there any other recommended solutions for my use case?

Thanks!

[Assistant]
xi00800ix said:
Looking for router recommendation for built in VPN use.

We have a 4 bedroom family apartment in China. A number of us live oversees. I want to setup a router with built in VPN so we don't need VPN on all our devices. We have a 1Gbps fiber internet with a modem + router already for Chinese internet. The idea is to plug this router into the existing router and setup a separate wifi network for VPNed international access for family gatherings. My VPN has directions for Asuswrt-Merlin, OpenWRT and DD-WRT. Will mostly be used for emails, general internet usage, YouTube and some mobile iPad gaming to keep kids busy. But we will have potentially 6-8 people with probably a dozen devices at the same time for family gatherings. As this will only be used for a few weeks a year I'm looking for an affordable good enough solution.

I was recommended RT-AC86U w/ Asuswrt-Merlin which costs about $559 here in China or $80 USD. While researching this I came upon this site and discovered that it an old router that is now considered EOL and will not get future software support.

I did a bit more research and it seems like maybe I should upgrade to one of the following:

RT-AX88U Pro - $1299 or $185 USD
RT-AX86U Pro - $1099 or $157 USD

But even these seem to have questionable updates past end of 2024. The question is given my use case is it worth more the 2x the price to get one of these? If so which one is better and is there any other recommended solutions for my use case?

Thanks!
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Can you please tell us which vpn are you using because astrill been killing me lately


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[User]
Title: Renewed / Referb - Stay away or great way to save some cash?

I'm looking to purchase two routers. I have 20 years experience in Infosec and routing/switching so I feel like I have a decent grasp of the technology even though I can't decide on what to purchase. Requirements and nice to have are : Mesh the routers with the main in my office and second in the bedroom. The main will have attached storage and the second will be in the bedroom to make sure my wife has decent signal. I have a lot of IOT in my smarthome so capacity must handle all devices. I figure the bedroom device doesn't have to be anything special but the chipset should match the main device to ensure the mesh runs well. I'm looking at the ax-rt88u pro as my main and a smaller AX-rt1800 or 3000 for the bedroom. I'd like to keep the price under 300 if possible. What are your thoughts on referb / renewed devices from Amazon? Am I throwing away my money? What would you suggest for my scenario. I have a 1300 sq ft condo with 1 gig fiber all one level but all neighbors have wifi too so I'm sure the bandwidth is congested.

[Assistant]
Refurb/resale is nice with a 90 day return period. My current mobo was a return and the only issue was they didn't upgrade the uefi to make it work properly. Got it for $160 instead of retail over $300.

I've gotten two Asus routers from Amazon refurb. Both worked well for the testing. I did then sent them back. AX86U Pro would be good for the router and just about any other Asus AX for the node. Make sure the node is not EOL like the AX68U. If having VLAN on the node is important make sure you have an AX "Pro" node.

How many is a "lot" of IOT devices ?
They typically don't use a lot of bandwidth and do prefer the 2.4GHz band which is the most congested.
If more than 50 IOT devices, then i would consider SMB gear such as TP-Link Omada router and 1-2 low TX power APs. Designed to handle more clients than typical consumer gear and to use more APs for coverage rather than blast out and cover with one device.


[System] You are a professional Wi-Fi router support assistant; I will provide forum posts as background material, and you should learn from them while remaining aware that forum content may be incomplete, outdated, or incorrect — when uncertain, explicitly note that you are uncertain and refer the user to official documentation or other authoritative sources for verification.

[User]
Title: Gt-AX6000 manufacturing year

Put a low ball offer on a 'new' GT-AX6000 on ebay, as there is a live cashback promotion in the UK for Asus products from retailers. Guy said price was way too low as it was the 2024 model and had improved 'firmware updates, performance improvements, port configuration and WiFi 6 enhancements'. I can't find any info on any updates of this kind so just left it at that.

Can anyone confirm if there are 2024 models and if there are improvements to the router? The box pictures did state a 2024 manufacturing year.

If there are improvements to the model, is there any easy way to confirm the model/year before buying through a retailer?

[Assistant]
While there might be minor hardware revisions over time I'm not aware of any for this model that would have any significant effect. Certainly not of the type you quoted.

From that quote it sounds like the seller doesn't really understand Asus routers or their firmware. I suspect what he's referring to is the fact that since late 2023 the GT-AX6000 would have shipped with Asus' new "ASUSWRT 5.0" (3.0.0.6.102_xxx) firmware. That firmware is a significant change from the previous firmware branch (3.0.0.4.388_xxx). But there's nothing to stop you updating a router running the older firmware to the newer branch. In fact owners should do this as a matter of course.

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ColinTaylor said:
From that quote it sounds like the seller doesn't really understand Asus routers or their firmware.
Thanks for the reply.

I thought this would be the case also, but didn't want to waste my time further.

I'll keep an eye out on retail sites while the cashback deal is still live and just play safe with a reputable seller.

https://www.ebuyer.com/1539094-asus-rog-rapture-gt-ax6000-dual-band-gaming-wifi-router-90ig0780-mu9b00

£138.98 after £25 cashback.


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[User]
Title: GT-AX1100 vs R9000P vs AX-88U PRO

Anybody got any advice on WiFi coverage?

[Assistant]
GT-AX11000 - older model from 2018
Netgear R9000 - very unpopular AD model from 2016
RT-AX88U Pro - very popular around model from 2023

No matter what the coverage differences might be - from the list above RT-AX88U Pro is the obvious choice. Much newer hardware, Asuswrt 5.0 compatible, Asuswrt-Merlin supported (currently on Asuswrt 4.0 base), expected longer support, has 2x 2.5GbE ports for WAN and LAN.

Tech9 said:
GT-AX11000 - older model from 2018
Netgear R9000 - very unpopular AD model from 2016
RT-AX88U Pro - very popular around model from 2023

No matter what the coverage differences might be - from the list above RT-AX88U Pro is the obvious choice. Much newer hardware, Asuswrt 5.0 compatible, Asuswrt-Merlin supported (currently on Asuswrt 4.0 base), expected longer support, has 2x 2.5GbE ports for WAN and LAN.
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Can you share why R9000 is very unpopular in your own words?

Because at release R9000 was very expensive 3-band model router with one useless 802.11ad radio with no clients. This 60GHz single room Wi-Fi technology was sort of experimental and never took off. What is usable on this router is 802.11n (Wi-Fi 4) and 802.11ac (Wi-Fi 5). This router is e-waste now.


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[User]
Title: Would like input Asus or other brand router

Hi all

From being with VM 250mbps using Asus ac86u has been great ( well the router more so )

Currently running 30 device over WiFi with guest network for smart devices, 2 Lan smart TVs, a smart hub via lan and gaming pc on Lan, PS4 + ps5, Nintendo switch's.. tablets

Changed isp to 1Gb fiber broadband as better deal, having issues before fiber broadband.

My concern now: Asus ac86u can't keep up with the 1gb fiber, getting best 600mbps over WiFi5 and then there's the eol no more firmware updates

I like to keep security ie firmware etc updates where I can, I have pull up any information on SNB about where and what to do, there has been chat about issues with asus broadcom chipset routers, what do people recommend please

Love Asus router as for there easy of use via IP gui and android app

Many thanks

[Assistant]
The most recommended Asus routers these days seem to be the RT-AX86U Pro and the RT-AX88U Pro. There are some WIFI 7 Asus routers that are up and coming but the two AX routers should be future proof for several years. I have the AX86U Pro and it can handle much more than I throw at it. Some claim the AX88U Pro performs better but the AX86U Pro does go on sale for up to $50 off.
As for other brands... good luck!

excellent price for the RT-AX88u Pro on Amazon at the moment

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-RT-AX88U-Extendable-Rangeboost-Subscription-free/dp/B0BV6ZN274/?tag=smallncom-21

pusb87 said:
excellent price for the RT-AX88u Pro on Amazon at the moment

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-RT-AX88U-Extendable-Rangeboost-Subscription-free/dp/B0BV6ZN274/?tag=smallncom-21
It's that price at a fair few places in the UK.

Amazon one looks to be sold by a 3rd party, not Amazon themselves


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[User]
Title: RT-AX3000 Upgrade

I have a pair of RT-AX3000's setup in a Mesh with Ethernet backhaul. Starting to kick around the idea of upgrading to more recent hardware. Network has 40 devices, mix of IoT, TVs/tablets and one Xbox. Based on threads, RT-AX86U PRO seems to be the recommendation. Is there a map/family tree of ASUS hardware and the many model names?

[Assistant]
RT-AX86U Pro is the cheapest Asuswrt 5.0 compatible model with expected longer support. Other popular around models are RT-AX88U Pro and the gaming version GT-AX6000, both also Asuswrt 5.0 compatible. All Asuswrt-Merlin supported, but on Asuswrt 4.0 base at the moment.

If your current setup does well what you need it to do - continue using it. The difference >$400 later most likely won't be night and day.

Tech9 said:
If your current setup does well what you need it to do - continue using it. The difference >$400 later most likely won't be night and day.
Current setup is three years old, starting to notice issues while streaming video and work conference calls. I believe I've traced the issue to the routers dropping connections. I wasn't expecting a huge performance jump on the 86 Pro


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[User]
Title: Moving to 2 floor house, want Asus Merlin comp. router, any reason not to buy the RT-AX88U Pro?

Want Asus and Merlin compatible. So, is there any reason to get something 'better' then the Asus RT-AX88U Pro?

Edit:
I have the older Asus RT-AX88U now.

[Assistant]
There is nothing really significantly better at the moment.
You won't get a significant improvement in RT-AX88U Pro over RT-AX88U.
If you don't need to replace wait for Wi-Fi 7 routers.

Piotrek said:
There is nothing really significantly better at the moment.
You won't get a significant improvement in RT-AX88U Pro over RT-AX88U.
If you don't need to replace wait for Wi-Fi 7 routers.
I may end up needing a repeater in the house, I fear that just the AX88U will not cover the whole house (I have to test). Can my old Asus RT-AC56U be used as a good repeater, or do I need to buy a new router and use the current AX88U as the repeater?

JarleH said:
Can my old Asus RT-AC56U be used as a good repeater, or do I need to buy a new router
You can use RT-AC56U as Access Point (mode).
Please update firmware:
Asus RT-AX88U, Asuswrt-Merlin 384.14
Asuswrt-Merlin 384.14 is very old.


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[User]
Title: Best high performing AiMesh router to pair with XT8

Hi. First time poster, please be kind

So I have been struggling for some time to get a) decent wireless coverage across my 3-floor, very thick walled house and b) get decent latency readings (e.g. Bufferbloat, currently scoring F) to support Geforce Now gaming etc.

At present I have British Telecom 50mbps FTTC coming into a Smart Hub 2, with 5 x XT8 AiMesh routers dotted around the house. I have made the decision to forgo Digital Voice in order to replace the Smart Hub 2 which, by all accounts, is a poor router (damn you BT!).

My XT8 mesh network is working reasonably well, but furthest away from the primary router (top of the house) the signal is weak; too weak, apparently, to support Sky Q streaming HD TV apparently. I could add a further XT8 (they are so expensive!), but it occurred to me that adding an AiMesh router (to replace the Smart hub) could a) net me a better router and b) free up an XT8 to relocate in the house to bolster the mesh.

I've researched a fair bit and read a lot of conflicting advice around which router models to go for (AX6600, RT-X86U etc.). I'm now suffering from analysis paralysis. I just want the best bang for buck, and most flexibility (e.g. customisable firmware options, if this will help?). Cost not necessarily a problem, but I'd sooner not pay for advanced features I'm never going to use. I do have A LOT of devices connected across my LAN, however, so decent QoS I suspect will be a must.

I should also add that the primary router is at the bottom of the house and I have no options to run Ethernet across the house, so am forced to use WiFi backhaul.

Can anybody make any decent suggestions? Many thanks!

[Assistant]
I suggest you don't buy any new equipment until you've exhausted all possible options with your current equipment. With 5 XT8 already it sounds like you should have more than enough Wi-Fi. But as you said, you have thick walls to contend with and nobody here can possibly know enough about your specific environment to make a valid assessment.

As you're reliant on Wi-Fi backhaul please ignore any router reviews/recommendations unless they come from UK/EU users. Most of what you will read on the internet are for US models that have completely different Wi-Fi characteristics than the UK models.

With that said I would try replacing the Smart Hub 2 with one of the XT8s as you planned. Then configure the others as AiMesh nodes but make sure the link speed of the Wi-Fi backhaul connection is 4804 Mbps (or 2404 Mbps if that is not achievable). To do this you may have to setup each of the nodes while they are close to the main router and then move them to their final location. Try to fine tune these locations for maximum link speeds as moving them 1 meter one way or the other can have a huge impact.

EDIT:
From what you describe it sounds like the nodes furthest away from the main router won't be able to connect to it directly in which case you'll be forced to daisy chain the connections. The more you do that the lower the connection speed and throughput will become. This problem may end up being unsolvable without resorting to wired ethernet interconnects. Side note: Maybe you could use powerline adapters to bridge between two or more troublesome areas.

Thank you so much for the advice. Stupid question, perhaps, but as I am only. OK fibre to the curb, I still need a Dsl model before my XT8 router, do I not? This is the role the BT Smart Hub presently plays (as well as router). Hence why I need a replacement DSL router.

B0dh1 said:
Thank you so much for the advice. Stupid question, perhaps, but as I am only. OK fibre to the curb, I still need a Dsl model before my XT8 router, do I not? This is the role the BT Smart Hub presently plays (as well as router). Hence why I need a replacement DSL router.
Sorry, it appears that I misunderstood that part of your post. I don't know the details of the various BT offerings (I'm with Virgin Media). I thought you were planning on replacing the Smart Hub with one of your XT8s. You said it was FTTC so I just assumed you would be plugging into some sort of BT supplied device. If your connection requires a DSL modem then I suggest you use one provided by BT and try and bypass its "router/wifi" functionality if possible.


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[User]
Title: Next generation router recommendation

I'm having an opportunity to replace my ac68u and 1750. A friend in international trip is going to be able to bring one for me from USA. The replacement is a must because they both are broken/barely working. Is the next gen ax88u pro the favorite as I've seen on other posts? Would be awesome to have a fixed topic listing merlin's favorites. And by looking at it, people could compare their budget.
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-RT-AX88.../product-reviews/B0BTTY7QFH/?tag=snbforums-20

[Assistant] Where are you located ? If your not in the USA then a router from USA will not comply with your region. This may affect usable channels power restrictions and other things. Asus routers sold in the USA are not region changeable and are locked here. Just something to consider.


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[User]
Title: Router / AP - recommend me please

Hello!

Our house has two floors. There is an RT-AX58U router on the ground floor, which is also the main router.
On the first floor is RT-AX57.
The two routers are connected by cable and I use AiMesh.
I also want a device for the second floor, because I spend more and more time up here. What is important is that my PS Portal receives the best possible network and internet.
Do you think I should expand AiMesh with an Asus router or should I use another manufacturer's product?
I'm fine with it if it's not in AiMesh, then I'll connect the devices to the other SSID.

I've seen these so far:
If AiMesh:
- ASUS RT-AX57
- ASUS RT-AX5400
- ASUS RT-AX59U AX4200
- ASUS TUF Gaming AX4200

If it's not AiMesh, I'm thinking about:
- TP-Link Archer AX73 AX5400
- Ubiquiti UniFi Express
- Linksys Velop MX4200 Tri-Band
- Netgear WAX220
- Gl. Inet Flint 2 (GL-MT6000)

Maybe some Access Point that is not a router.

What would you recommend the most? It could be a device not on my list.

Thanks!

[Assistant] If you are happy with what you already have - get another RT-AX57 and call it a day. Make sure your nodes are not too close.


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[User]
Title: Need Router purchase recommendation

Good evening dear forum members,
I need your advice on which router I should get.

I want to install a VPN router in my system and have looked at a few on flashrouter.

Security and transparency are important to me.
The kill switch is also very important to me.

Which Router would be right for my project?
flashrouters.com/asus-be98u-wifi7-flashrouter ( VPN Fusion )
flashrouters.com/asus-axe16000-merlin-flashrouter ( Merlin App )

Thank you and best regards

[Assistant]
Don't get a router from this website. You'll be paying more for something included or free.

Unless you live in Internet censorship country - you are not getting extra security and privacy with public VPN providers. You are getting extra payments and inconveniences in form of slower connection, increased latency and ever expanding restricted services. This VPN business is like gold mine in Internet services. Some scare tactics, aggressive advertisement and targeted low tech audience just opens their wallets. You are very important for them.

Tech9 said:
Don't get a router from this website. You'll be paying more for something included or free.

Unless you live in Internet censorship country - you are not getting extra security and privacy with public VPN providers. You are getting extra payments and inconveniences in form of slower connection, increased latency and ever expanding restricted services. This VPN business is like gold mine in Internet services. Some scare tactics, aggressive advertisement and targeted low tech audience just opens their wallets. You are very important for them.
Click to expand...
Where should I buy a VPN router?

And which firmware would be right for me?
VPN Fusion or MerlinWRT?

There is no such term "VPN router". There are routers with VPN client/server available, many brands and models. All home routers are restricted by the CPU up to about 250Mbps on commonly used by commercial VPN providers OpenVPN protocol, even high-end models. And it depends on the server load on the other side, not guaranteed. You obviously read some advertisements and believe every word. The best customer for VPN providers.

What do you need this "VPN router" for in first place? Privacy and security you won't get. What else?


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[User]
Title: Looking for Asus AiMesh devices to build a home Wi-Fi mesh system

Hi,

my current setup is:
1. Modem from provider
2. N100 mini PC as router (pfsense)
3. 2.5G Switch in 2 rooms

What I looking for:
- Wi-Fi mesh system for about 130m² + garden
- would be already happy with 30 Mbit/s because only for smartphone, notebook and tablet + IO devices

My problem:
- a small XD4 Plus repeater is about 60-80€
- a router with AX is almost the same price
- wifi 6e or 7 is to expensive

What I want:
- good signal or better to say stable signal
- goood coverage (maybe 3 devices)
- maybe 5-7W per device if it is possible
- one wifi network

With AiMesh I can use any Asus device since 2018?I checked on ebay and find some unreal cheap used devices but it looks like I am dumb...
For example:
2x XD4 Plus for 99€
2x XD6s Plus for 115€

Why is the XD4 so much popular than the XD6s? AX1200 vs AX5400 and for only 15€ more.

Also, when I get 2x XD4 Plus and 2x XD6S I will lose all benefit from XD6S, because of the XD4?

I also could get 3x AX88U for 300€ instead of ~250€ for much weaker small repeater.

Don't know what to do so looking for some advice.

Regards

[Assistant]
If you already have a router that you like, why are you considering AiMesh gear at all? ASUS does not sell wireless APs, only all-in-one routers+APs. Sure, you can run them in AP-only mode, but then you're paying for hardware you don't need, and using a mode that the manufacturer doesn't care about and doesn't test too carefully.

Since you don't care about WiFi 6, look into some AC-era SMB APs, such as Cisco, Omada, TP-Link, Ubiquiti, Zyxel to name a few brands. You can get those very cheap if you don't mind buying used gear.

Looks like my english is the definition of bad or you just read the title

I got a modem and a router but no wifi at all. I use Asus with Merlin before and now I need wifi, only wifi, not a second router but with Asus I can get router or repeater and pair them with AiMesh. Now I look for Asus router or repeater, low power, good range and stable.

I would go with Wifi 7 but not for 400€ per router or 200€ for one repeater.

These are the range extenders that Asus is selling that are "cheaper" than a full blown router...

Extensores de Rede｜Extensores de Cobertura｜ASUS Portugal
Na ASUS ãExtensores de Redeã - Redes / IoT / Servidores , pode encontrar o Redes / IoT / Servidores mais apropriado com base nas caracterÃsticas, especificaÃ§Ãµes ou preÃ§o do produto. E tambÃ©m pode obter informaÃ§Ãµes sobre detalhes e comparaÃ§Ãµes do produto, atÃ© mesmo adicionÃ¡-lo Ã lista...
www.asus.com

The price range from 50 to 100 bucks...Maybe you can get cheaper if you buy a used one on Amazon...

You can also get the ASUS-AX1800, that is 65 bucks (new): Asus-AX1800.

I agree with @tgl, in you case is better to get an Omada, TP-Link or an Asus extender instead of a full blow router, since you already have a N100 mini PC as router (pfsense).

Use an ethernet link to the extenders, from you router and you will get a stable signal with the same wifi...

In your country do I find Mercusys extenders? They are cheap and work ok if you set the ethernet backhaul...

Range Extenders - Welcome to MERCUSYS
Extend WiFi to Where You Need It
www.mercusys.com


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[User]
Title: [RECOMMENDATION] Router supporting 2.5+gbps WAN/LAN

Hello everyone.

I'm upgrading my FTTH from 1gbps to 2.5gbps.

My current router, a Fritzbox 7590AX does not support 2.5gbps WAN/LAN, reason why I'm looking for a new one.

The connection will be [ONT]<--->[Router]<--->[RTL8125G based NIC]

The RTL8125G I currently have is not a stellar product, but I've never pushed it to its limits. I wouldn't mind future-proofing my system with 10gbps LAN ports and get something like a AQC113 based NIC.

This is what I'm mainly looking for in a router:

- 1x 2.5gbps (or higher) WAN
- 1x 2.5gbps (or higher) LAN port
- Solid VOIP implementation
- Open source FW that supports fq_codel or comparable QoS algorithms

The obvious choice here for me appears to be the Asus RT-AX88U Pro, it seems like a good middle ground between specs and value, but I'm open to other recommendations in the same price range.

[Assistant]
Why not use 10gig if you are going to change from 1 gig? I don't see 2.5gig as worth the effort and cost.

You did post this in the router forum not the ASUS forum.

I know at least one SNB Forums member who replaced Asus RT-AX88U Pro with cheaper and smaller size GL.iNet MT-GL6000. It runs OpenWrt based firmware and is OpenWrt supported.

If you use 2.5 gig then you need to have a Nbased-T card which is more expensive than just a 10gig card. Same with the switch.


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[User]
Title: AX86S Upgrade

Hi! I live in Germany, in a two store apartment, and have a AX86S refurbished for 18 months now (paid 94 Euro directly from Asus). The router sits in a "strategic" position, where the whole family benefits from it through wireless-only. No hardcore use, besides Wireguard VPN setup on Asus stock firmware. My internet speed is 250mb, from Deutsche Telekom. Before that, I had an ISP router, a Speedport Smart 3, which worked fine, but I needed the VPN option to be applied to a couple of devices only. To be honest, going to the Asus solution seemed that speeds were not as good, but still not meaningful for the family to complain. Half of our devices is AC, and the other half is AX.

The router is running the latest stock firmware, and besides the 3-4 weeks auto-reboot, it runs fine.

So, will I benefit regarding range, and mostly speed, by upgrading to a newer device?

Thanks!

[Assistant]
Unlikely because all Euro models have limited to 100mW 2.4GHz band and limited to 200mW 5GHz non-DFS band. Replacing the router may (minimum difference) or may not (more likely) give you any range advantages to the same clients. What you can try for somewhat extra range and download speed is Ch.100 on 5GHz band, not guaranteed to work (DFS range), but allows higher Tx power. Upload speed won't change, limited by your clients.

Tech9 said:
Unlikely because all Euro models have limited to 100mW 2.4GHz band and limited to 200mW 5GHz non-DFS band. Replacing the router may (minimum difference) or may not (more likely) give you any range advantages to the same clients. What you can try for somewhat extra range and download speed is Ch.100 on 5GHz band, not guaranteed to work (DFS range), but allows higher Tx power. Upload speed won't change, limited by your clients.
Click to expand...
Thank you for the reply. I will give a try. I am sure I could try to put the IOT stuff on the guest network, and maybe try different settings.

What about the auto-reboot? The option is not on, but suddenly devices loses connection, and then either router finishing rebooting and everything works, or I need to power it off and on, to fix it (I know more context is needed, but I could not find anything on the logs).

bottos said:
What about the auto-reboot?

Not needed in general, your devices may lose connection if your router is set on Auto channel and switches the channels and bandwidth too often. Some clients don't like that and stay off-line. You can try fixed channels, 20MHz channel bandwidth for 2.4GHz band and 80MHz for 5GHz band. This will stop the Auto hunting for channel and bandwidth and stabilize your network. In case of IoT issues you may try this:

[Wireless Router] How to improve compatibility of IoT device with ASUS WiFi 6(802.11 ax) router? | Official Support | ASUS Global

Or see my example compatibility settings for similar RT-AX86U here:

AX86U Check my settings please
Can anyone chime in on these settings AX86U Merlin 388.1_0
www.snbforums.com


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[User]
Title: A little advice appreciated on my upgrade path/choice.

Good Morning (well it is here in Spain).

I have been having issues recently with my AiMesh (RT-AC86U and RT-AC68U). And upon examining the Merlin site see they are soon to be EOL.

I am recently retired (from IT but not comms) and our home net usage has changed substantially from web browsing and home working to a lot of music streaming and recreational video in 4K. No gaming.

Read as much as I could on here and elsewhere and have decided to simply go for broke and get a pair of ZenWifi XT12 - a big part being the bandwidth and using 5G-2 as dedicated backhaul as running a cable is complicated (not immposible if it becomes absolutely necesary).
Device positioning is awkward as the FTTH (1Gb bidirectional) is in a small corner office in a semi-basement and most of the heavy useage is in the lounge which is directly above - although we've always needed some form of bridge to get a reasonable signal even though the TV etc are basically directly above the FTTH router - A thick floor with a fair amount of steel in!.

I'll use the RJ45 connections for all heavy data transfer devices.

I am hoping this alone will resolve the only wierd dark area in my wife's office - One currently filled with a homeplug type device - OK for home office and a bit of light surfing but not much more.

But if not what is the general opinion on reusing the ac86 (with or without the ac68) as a range extender/bridge?

Or should I just suck it up and get a third triband device (not an XT12 obviously) - If so would appreciate a recomendation.

[Assistant]
Keep in mind that the higher 5 GHz bands have poorer penetration ability than the lower bands, but as I presume you already know that neither band is great. However, if your current hardware is doing the job, there's no reason why the XT12's should work any worse.
You won't see a huge improvement in range going from 802.11ac to 802.11ax though, but the XT12's have a different antenna configuration, so maybe that'll help.

Using EOL hardware as wireless bridges is perfectly fine imho, as they're not facing the internet directly.
In our previous place I had one AP on each floor (tree storey house, but only 2-3 rooms on each floor), as the signal simply wasn't strong enough otherwise. Over the years, I've been using a mix of hardware from TP-Link, Securifi, Netgear and Asus and never had any issues roaming between the various APs. Many of the AP's got EOL:ed over the years and I ran OpenWRT on some of the TP-Link gear. I would give it a go first and see how it works, rather than spending loads of money on something that might not bring any real world benefits.

greybeard said:
not immposible if it becomes absolutely necesary

Running wires will be the right upgrade path opening options beyond disposable consumer gear.

What about something like Powerline and/or MOCA and using that as "ethernet" backhaul between your nodes? Powerline you may be able to get a gig depending on the electrical layout of your home. MOCA I think is up to 2.5 gig now. With MOCA you would obviously need an available RG6 run between your wifi main/nodes, or if you have some sort of switch in the mix.

(Okay, reading your post again you do have powerline (homeplug). What generation is it? There have been some improvements.)


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[User]
Title: Comparison? ASUS RT-BE96U vs. TP-Link BE19000

Looking for a new gaming router and not sure which between the 2 of these. Don't have a large place, but do online gaming such as cod modern warfare 3. These are the 2,
ASUS RT-BE96U BE19000
TP-Link Tri-Band BE19000 Wi-Fi 7

[Assistant]
This forum is very ASUS-centric so you most likely will get a lot of suggestions to go with ASUS. I'm more of a TP-Link guy. Honestly? I don't think you can go wrong with any of them.

Marc4800 said:
new gaming router

For better online gaming you need low latency ISP and wired to the router PC. Gaming router is a marketing term. The two models above for >$500 may not improve your gaming a bit when connected to some remote high latency gaming server and playing over Wi-Fi. You may get exactly the same gaming experience with $200 router. Doesn't have to be high-end, doesn't have to be Wi-Fi 7.

Also, for wifi 7 do you need antennas for wifi 7, which after looking I didn't really see any other than tri band antennas?


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[User]
Title: What would be a better solution?

Context
House is wired up with CAT6
Currently using TP-Link Archer AX72
Coverage at home is bad
In a previous house, my setup includes a more powerful router as the main router, with 2x less powerful router in Access Point mode connected to the main router via CAT6.
This was before the era of Mesh Network
Initial intention is to do a similar setup in the new house, but instead of getting 2x less powerful router, which is not aesthetic pleasing (and those that are, would not be of good specs) to use with the existing Archer AX72, looking at Mesh (e.g., TP-Link Deco X68) which I understand that can work as an AP and can be wired to the main router (in this case Archer AX72).
Questions
I realised from this write-up, it seems like mesh network with wired backhaul has seemless handoff but Router + AP may not be. Is that the case?
If the above is the case, does it make more sense to just dump the AX72 and get a 3-pack mesh nodes and use it with wired backhaul?
Or would it be better to just keep the AX72, and then get a 2-pack mesh nodes and use it in AP mode but connected to AX72 via wire?
Or any other more elegant solution that makes sense?

[Assistant]
mesh is just marketing term.
floor plan sketches with location of cat6 terminations and rough dimensions
location of ISP termination/router ?
interior and exterior wall construction ?
multi level ?

what type of clients and rough numbers ? Hardwired/wireless ?

An all Deco system may just work
Too much RF power can cause more problems than too little due to overlap and reflections. Have you done a signal level survey ?
Neighbor wireless interference ?

If you have long distances or large number of wall penetrations for RF, a multi AP , low power RF may work better than the typical single router blast it out residential consumer approach. If Deco doesn't work out, try TP-Link Omada with OC200 controller.

reddevil0728 said:
I realised from this write-up, it seems like mesh network with wired backhaul has seemless handoff but Router + AP may not be. Is that the case?

This is not the case. The client decides where to connect and there is no really "seamless handoff" even with high-end business class systems. For better roaming you need controller based multi-AP system. They use additional tricks to encourage client switching. UniFi or Omada are lower priced options.

Don't forget Cisco small business wireless solutions. I think the Cisco AP 150ax APs work well and have built-in controllers so no separate one needs to be bought. Plus, it can't cause a bottle neck if it gets put on a saturated link. They are reasonably priced for home use at $102 each. In my mind the best solution.


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[User]
Title: TP-Link Omada

Anyone has experience with TP-Link Omada?
It seems to be a clone of the Ubiquit Unifi?

Been using a AiMesh environment for too long. Might want to move towards a commercial solution.

[Assistant]
Yes, TL-SG108PE switch, 2 EAP245V3 APs, OC200 controller. PoE powered, running great. Much better than AiMesh.

Very happy with my Omada setup. 3x EAP225v3, raspberry pi running the controller software. Very stable and great coverage. I’m not using mesh, though, so I can’t comment on that part.

K-2SO said:
Yes, TL-SG108PE switch, 2 EAP245V3 APs, OC200 controller. PoE powered, running great. Much better than AiMesh.
Is it a mesh setup? Also how is the range of a single eap245 vs an asus router?


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[User]
Title: Which of These 3 Routers Do You Recommend?

Looking to replace my Netgear AXE router. Currently looking at 3 options within my price point ($500 ish):

-Asus ROG RT-AXE16000
-TP-Link Archer AXE300
-TP-Link Archer GE800

ISP: 1 gig down. 50 Mbps up

Many connected devices (mostly Apple/ios) and all TV devices (4) streaming so I need something reliable with good range and wireless performance. Also several IoT smart home devices. 6Ghz is a must. Thanks

[Assistant]
This forum is very ASUS-centric so you'll most likely get lots of suggestions to go with ASUS. Personally I'd recommend the TP-Link GE800 as TP-Link has done a lot of strides in improving its firmware. Their products are also most of the times a bit cheaper and from personal experience, rock solid. No, TP-Link does not have spyware or backdoors or trackers. That's mostly claimed by a small group of people with little to no experience with its products and a paranoid dislike or bias against Chinese brands.

From newer BCM4912 Asus models ZenWiFi ET12 Pro and GT-AXE16000 for some reason still don't have Asuswrt 5.0 firmware. I don't know if Wi-Fi 6E is the reason, but there are firmware delays for the two quite expensive models. I would say wait for more mature Wi-Fi 7 routers and then upgrade.

Amazon (US) has sold the GT-AXE16000 new $400. I agree with Tech9's suggestion of waiting. I'm not cheap, I'm frugal.


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[User]
Title: RT-AC68U replacement. (I have checked the posts)

I don't game, I have 1 desktop computer, 2 laptops, 2 mobile phones a Smart TV and a NAS used mainly for backups and streaming media to the TV.

I want the desktop computer, 1 mobile phone and the TV on 5 GHz. The remainder will be on 2.4 GHz.

When I have to replace the router near the end of 2024, I want an ASUS one to use with Asuswrt-Merlin firmware and to last at least 4 years or as close as possible to that.

I am confused about the separate 2.4/WAN port, the Gaming port, the routers with 4 ports and those with 8 ports. Some say 5 GHz, some say Gaming port and don't mention 5 GHz. I don't know which would suit my use which I think is basic.

Should I replace it now or as late as possible (New ones coming out) ?

[Assistant]
Who says you *have* to replace it? Esp. if you have only modest needs. Yeah, Merlin will become increasingly problematic, but not right away. And even so, there are alternatives (potentially better ones in fact depending on your needs, e.g., native support for VLANs).

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Bought a Asus RT-AC68U (B2) from eBay. Router came in its orginal shrinkwraped box. Cost $57 + shiping. To make sure I don't brick it. I checked the hardware compatibility wiki, I did not see any notes indicating any special prerequisites for flashing Tomato firware. So I am assumeing the...
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I use all available third-party firmwares at times, but different ones for different situations. I use FreshTomato for my primary router because I *need* VLANs to support both guest and IOT on their own IP networks. But I often recommend AsusWRT-Merlin to my customers who do NOT have such needs. I'll use DD-WRT when I need x86 or Wireguard support. Just depends. That's the great thing about that particular router. It's incredibly flexible.

@eibgrad makes a good point- you may find better solutions for you if you poke around and get some learning about networking and wireless into you, if you have an interest in building out a custom network for yourself/your home. If an "all-in-one" unit has been working for you and you don't see your needs changing in the next 3-5y, upgrade your asus when scheduled

I've just upgraded to the AX88Pro, and wow! Massive improvement over my AC86
I have yet to put the latest Merlin on it to take advantage of the privacy etc scripts though, but based on the past 20m of having my network back up on it, I should've done this some time ago.

theno2soco said:
Should I replace it now or as late as possible

If money is no issue - replace it now. RT-AX86U Pro and RT-AX88U Pro are popular choice around and will probably have 4 years of support.


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[User]
Title: GT-AX 6000 upgrade

I recently faced a warranty case with GT AX 6000.

Won't update GT-AX6000 to any firmware
I have no luck updating firmware. Please help. GT-AX6000 Current Version : 386.7_2 I tried both GT-AX6000_388.1_0 GT-AX6000_3004_388.6_2 GT-AX6000_3004_388.7_0 I also did save settings and factory reset. After factory reset i tried to upload all of these firmware versions unsuccessfully...
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I am looking for a replacement. Features wise my old router was fine, it had it all.

Would you recommend some newer model? With similar features, great if a bit cheaper, but not mandatory.

I also don’t need the big range, as I’ve moved to a smaller apartment since originally buying gt ax 6000 for.

[Assistant]
Replacement model is RT-BE88U. No 6Ghz like Gt-AX6000 but you will get upgraded SOC and dual 10G LAN and WAN ports. Longer firmware update support. Till Dec 2028.

Amazon.com

d5aqoep said:
Replacement model is RT-BE88U. No 6Ghz like Gt-AX6000 but you will get upgraded SOC and dual 10G LAN and WAN ports. Longer firmware update support. Till Dec 2028.

Amazon.com

That's an overkill. I'm not sure I need WiFi 7, also, paying 425 EUR for RT-BE88U while GT-AX6000 costs 220 EUR doesn't sound right.
Any models worth considering around 200 EUR budget?

Something non Asus? You seem to be asking for a side-grade rather than an upgrade though.
Flint 2 (GL-MT6000) | High-Performance VPN Router
Experience blazing-fast VPN speeds and full OpenWrt customization with Flint 2, our best Wi-Fi 6 router yet. A new realm of power, freedom, and security.
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There's also the TUF Gaming TUF-AX6000.


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[User]
Title: Need to Pick One of Two options for Wifi Extension: Ubiquiti UAP-AC-M or Asus AiMesh w/RT-AX1800S

Hello! I am new here. Currently using a single ASUS RT-AX86S as wifi router at one end of the house. Wifi signal is very weak outdoors, at the other end of the house. I recently helped a friend who bought a house set up a Ubiquiti UAP-AC-M and was quite impressed with the form factor. I should be able to run an Ethernet cable from the RT-AX86S to the UAP, which I would place as close as possible to the backyard, but indoors. The other option considered would be to add an ASUS RT-AX1800S and use it with AiMesh to extend the network towards the backyard. No Ethernet backhaul in this case due to placement limitations. The reason for me to consider AiMesh is because the price of the RT-AX1800S is about half of the price of the UAP-AC-M. Which way should I go? Thank you so much.

[Assistant]
Welcome to the forums!

Mix-n-match wifi setups aren't ideal. If you run two ASUS units, you can use AIMesh to configure them. If you run two Ubiquiti units, you can use one of Ubiquiti's controller solutions to configure them. If you've got one of each then you're stuck configuring and updating them independently. Maybe if you value your sysadmin time at zero that doesn't sound bad. But even then, there's a downside: you will not get 802.11k/v roaming support between two independent APs. It'll still work, but transitions between the two areas might be less than seamless (for example, you might find that wifi phone calls drop when walking from one end of the house to the other).

Independently of that, mesh (a/k/a wireless backhaul) is very substantially inferior to wired backhaul for both performance and reliability. Don't go that way if you can possibly run an ethernet cable to the remote AP, or even some other kind of cable such as powerline or MoCA. I'm not quite understanding from your description why you think you'd have to use wireless backhaul if you go with the second ASUS unit?

The reason for the different approach is that the Ubiquiti AP uses POE for power. This means I can run an Ethernet cable in the ceiling of the basement and simply install the AP in a window close to the backyard.
If I go the ASUS AiMesh route, the additional router will be going on the ground floor, near a power outlet. I'm not sure I'm able to run an Ethernet cable to that location (I'm not really good with these things).
Thank you for your welcome and your input.

I picked up the term "wired backhaul" on this forum yesterday. I hope it didn't make me look like an expert, because I'm not. In order to achieve this wired backhaul between the two ASUS units, do I simply need to connect them together using one of the LAN ports?


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[User]
Title: Looking to replace RT-AC86U

Longtime lurker, so thanks to everyone for the great advice over the years. So my situation is as follows:

- 3-story house, with detached garage
- Base station is an ET12 (in basement)
- 1 ET12 node on the 2nd floor office
- 1 RT-AC86U node on the first floor closest to the garage and backyard (where cameras are).

I don't have the ability to do a wired backhaul. It's all wireless. Old house and wiring at this time isn't possible.
I have a lot of IoT type items around the house (nest cameras, protects, myQ garage, lights etc) and work from home over VPN.
My internet is a 1Gbps up and down fibre.

From time to time my cameras will complain about Wi-Fi, so I'm wondering if there is a suitable replacement, maybe for the RT-AC86U?
It is an older model and maybe time to upgrade to match the ET12s?

Would something like an RT-AXE7800 work with its 6GHz backhaul band?
The 6GHz band seem to work pretty good between the ET12's and I can get close to 900Mbps between my office and the base station.

Open to suggestion.
Thanks in advance!

[Assistant]
Should have mentioned, also looking at the GT-AXE16000 or GT-AXE11000 as the base station, but might be overkill?

Sorry, but why not just get another ET12? Those are obviously built to work well with each other using AiMesh.

TheLostSwede said:
Sorry, but why not just get another ET12? Those are obviously built to work well with each other using AiMesh.
It is a good question. I can't find them as a single item. They only sell them in Canada from what I can see as a 2 pack.


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[User]
Title: Replacing AC88U

I'd like to retire my AC88U since the ports 5-8 die/hang more frequently than their early days. What should I do next inside the ASUS family? It's currently in a mesh, wired backhauling with another AX88U being the main one. They are housed in a 3-floor house.
I'm considering getting either the AC88U Pro or the XT12. The latter seems better as it has 3 bands (I'm just planning to get one unit), but I'm sceptical of its internal antennas. Am I over-worried? What other models should I consider as well? I really appreciate any advice you can provide.

[Assistant]
I would get a new RT-AX88U Pro, make it main, convert the existing RT-AX88U to a node. This setup comes with limitations, but at least is reusing the existing router.

Tech9 said:
I would get a new RT-AX88U Pro, make it main, convert the existing RT-AX88U to a node. This setup comes with limitations, but at least is reusing the existing router.
Is it fine to go with the XT12? I ordered it on Amazon a few hours ago since only two were left. Should I cancel it and order the AX88U Pro instead?

You don't need 3-band router when wired backhaul is available. The main purpose of this 3rd radio is wireless backhaul. You are paying more for something you don't need or something you like better as appearance. If you like ZenWiFi Pro XT12 better as appearance - get a set of two and replace both old routers. This way you'll get full Asuswrt 5.0 features to both main + node with no limitations. It's up to you.


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[User]
Title: Mesh advice

So after troubleshooting a video skip issue.
Looks like my ax86s is the culprit.
So good time to upgrade
current setup
Ax86u main
As86u node
1800 Sq feet . Node in garage far end
35 total devices on network. Using Guest for IOT
The ax6000 is on sale for $229
So question
Get ax6000 as main and use ax86u as node
Get 2 ax6000 and sell the 86u
Explore other mesh systems?

[Assistant]
If you are using wireless backhaul , did you move the two closer line of sight and test ?
if so , did the issue go away ?
Or try an ethernet cable for wired backhaul to see if the wireless is the issue ?
Or MOCA ( ethernet over coax ) ?

Unless it is CPU/wireless chipset issue, replacing with a different AX point may not make any difference.

degrub said:
If you are using wireless backhaul , did you move the two closer line of sight and test ?
if so , did the issue go away ?
Or try an ethernet cable for wired backhaul to see if the wireless is the issue ?
Or MOCA ( ethernet over coax ) ?

Unless it is CPU/wireless chipset issue, replacing with a different AX point may not make any difference.
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Ethernet backhaul

common wisdom seems to be use same units for main and nodes, all running same firmware if doing the asus mesh stuff.
Did you try as an access point and not use asus mesh at all ?
Or is that even an option ?
i left asus behind when i migrated to smb gear.

Just curious is the setup wireless to the TV and video source ?
Can you do wired ?


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[User]
Title: upgrade question RT-66u AC 1750 to AX86 PRO or 88 PRO??

upgrade question RT-66u AC 1750 to AX86 or 88??...

I have a RT 66u AC1750 that I think may need an upgraded, I have having connection issues. I am no pro by any means am my 70's and have limited tech abilities (like is said I am old)

I can probably afford around $200 USD at best. I have a fairly large house so need decent coverage, the RT 66u struggles for some locations but I make it work, an improvement would be welcomed.

I run 8 to 10 wireless WIFI at most and usually 4 or 5. A couple TV's a couple laptop's and misc.

Would either AX86 Pro or RX88 Pro be worth the purchase or can you give a better recommendation? I only have 1 WIFI 6 device currently and probably won't be upgrading unless something breaks!

Thank you I realize this question has been asked a million times I read as much as my brain could absorb, that's how I found the RT86 or 88 information. It will be a budget stretch but I think I can make it work.

[Assistant]
laptop said:
upgrade question RT-66u AC 1750 to AX86 or 88??...

I have a RT 66u AC1750 that I think may need an upgraded, I have having connection issues. I am no pro by any means am my 70's and have limited tech abilities (like is said I am old)

I can probably afford around $200 USD at best. I have a fairly large house so need decent coverage, the RT 66u struggles for some locations but I make it work, an improvement would be welcomed.

I run 8 to 10 wireless WIFI at most and usually 4 or 5. A couple TV's a couple laptop's and misc.

Would either AX86 Pro or RX88 Pro be worth the purchase or can you give a better recommendation? I only have 1 WIFI 6 device currently and probably won't be upgrading unless something breaks!

Thank you I realize this question has been asked a million times I read as much as my brain could absorb, that's how I found the RT86 or 88 information. It will be a budget stretch but I think I can make it work.
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I failed to mention that I have cable internet (but thinking about dropping it) and a 5G cellular internet that I am testing. So far I can not tell an difference both get me some streaming and spinning wheel issues. Maybe caused as much by the router as the internet service,,, I am thinking.

Your comments are appreciated.

If you want the most performance and coverage, the GT-AX6000 is the model to look for (on sale). Note that as this is an older model (almost 3 years old today), it may have less support going forward.

The best bang-for-the-buck model today is the RT-AX88U Pro. Hands down.

The RT-AX86U Pro is not worth considering, even at a 50%+ discount (to me).

[Review] ASUS GT-AX6000 vs RT-AX88U Pro vs RT-AX86U Pro
After I tested tested each of the three routers, I decided to make a dedicated video to find out which one of them is the better WiFi 6 router. I look forward to any questions and feedback.
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So sorry, I am the only one that is replying but I can't figure out how to edit the post. I click on the edit post but only get the thread heading and can not edit the actual thread.

I also failed to mention that I do use a VPN and currently is it Surfshark, can it be setup on the router instead of each device and still give good protection?

Is it a good VPN for the price?


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[User]
Title: WiFi 7 APs: help me decide between EAP783 and the U7 Pro Max

Which one would you choose for a WiFi AP between:

UniFi's U7 Pro Max, or
TP-Link's EAP783?
Isn't the 2.5GbE port a bottleneck for the U7 Pro Max?

[Assistant]
I'd go with the TP-Link, it most likely also cheaper than the UniFi. Yes, the 2.5 Gbps is a bottleneck

In discussions on the UI community forums, there's fairly widespread opinion that the U7 series is not yet ready for prime time. The firmware is still a little buggy and there are ugly compromises in the hardware design. (Do you really want an AP with a fan in it?)

I know nothing of TP-Link's offerings, so won't opine on whether they have comparable issues. But personally I'd wait a year or so more before buying any WiFi 7 gear. You'll be paying through the nose for first-generation, possibly beta-quality stuff.

This monster EAP783 with all 4x4 radios, 10GbE ports and PoE++ will need monster priced 10GbE switch with PoE++ ports connected to monster firewall with 10GbE capable hardware inside... and then may do monster speed test to a Wi-Fi 7 phone. The most expensive speed test ever.


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[User]
Title: Bridge with own SSID?

I'm trying to see if there is one device that will do this: Currently we do have wifi. I want a device that can connect to the current wifi as its uplink and have its own network and SSID that it broadcasts out. I know I can do this with one router set up as a bridge and then hardwire it to another router that is set up for the new network. Is this the only real way to do this, or is there a router that can do this all as one unit? This set up will only be used very temporarily for certain circumstances.

[Assistant]
What you want is called a WISP (Wireless ISP) router, where the router's WAN is virtualized over a wireless client connection to the remote wireless ISP, while still maintaining its own AP. This is NOT very common w/ your typical consumer-grade router. But you will find it sometimes w/ travel routers, and third-party firmware (e.g., DD-WRT, FreshTomato) for compatible hardware.

It's also possible to use *any* router provided you patch its wired WAN to a standalone wireless ethernet bridge. Granted, this results in using two devices, but it removes the need/burden to find a single device that supports WISP mode natively.

FlamingoGT said:
I'm trying to see if there is one device that will do this:

GL-iNet travel routers:
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Find the most suitable hardware for your home, office or facility.
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Asus RT-AX57 Go:
RT-AX57 Go｜WiFi Routers｜ASUS Canada
Discover RT-AX57 Go: a portable AX3000 WiFi 6 router with cutting-edge MU-MIMO & OFDMA tech, VPN support, AiProtection, & AiMesh for ultimate connectivity.
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As a single device solution, what kind of performance and other specs are you looking for besides this specific feature? You could pick up an old ASUS RT-AC68U (or T-Mobile TM-AC1900) on eBay, install DD-WRT or FreshTomato (it may even have this installed already by the seller), and do it on the cheap, perhaps $20-30. OTOH, if you're looking for other highend features ($$), that would be good to know before making recommendations.


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[User]
Title: "Upgrade" from Asus AC86U to AX86S?

Currently running my Asus AC86U w/ Merlin in a 1900sq foot ranch. The router covers the property, my basement (also 1900sq ft) and my yard with ease. No problems with the router other than the 2.4ghz channel seems to go out every six months or so, I just re-boot the router and works fine. This just started happening last year. My ISP provides 500Mbps up and down and we hardly push the router in terms of bandwidth. Kids stream youtube, wife serfs the web. At most we have six mobile clients going at once.

Is there a benefit to upgrading? If so, what would it be? Much appreciate any feedback.

[Assistant]
if AC86U met your needs I would wait for wifi7 technology to be mature and easy accessible before replacing it.

ct1615 said:
Currently running my Asus AC86U w/ Merlin in a 1900sq foot ranch. The router covers the property, my basement (also 1900sq ft) and my yard with ease. No problems with the router other than the 2.4ghz channel seems to go out every six months or so, I just re-boot the router and works fine. This just started happening last year. My ISP provides 500Mbps up and down and we hardly push the router in terms of bandwidth. Kids stream youtube, wife serfs the web. At most we have six mobile clients going at once.

Is there a benefit to upgrading? If so, what would it be? Much appreciate any feedback.
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The problem with the AC86 for many people is its reliability. It was a big disappointment for many people who started with an ASUS N66 and then upgraded to the AC68 both of which were rock solid. If your AC86 is already suffering problems better to move on now and not wait for the AC86 to fail. If you want to wait for what seems inevitable just be sure you have a spare router to put into service to cover until you can get a replacement for the AC86.

While people are morning the end of support for the AC68 just announced not many people complaining about the AC86 being EOL.

CaptainSTX said:
not many people complaining about the AC86 being EOL

Not too many AC86Us survived to retirement age, I guess.


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[User]
Title: Which access point to buy?

Hello!

We have a house where we use 3 Asus routers with AiMesh.
I would like to place an AP with a completely different SSID on the "Main" Asus router. I would buy an AP for this.
The following product is currently on sale on Amazon:

Netgear WAX220

How good a choice do you think this is?
Apple devices and Playstation Portal + laptops would mostly use the AP.

[Assistant]
Without a map of your house and the location of APs/routers and configuration details, it is a little hard to say, but for a reasonable sized house, you will likely add too much RF signal to the environment and degrade existing wireless performance if it isn't already suffering.

Better strategy would be to create a separate SSID on the existing equipment and only allow certain devices on that SSID. Possible that you may need to move to SMB marketed equipment if Asus software is not able to handle.

Have you considered taking one of your current AiMesh devices and using it as an AP instead? The reduced WiFi load on your other routers might mean that another device isn't necessary. Also consider how the segregation will work, you'd probably want your router doing most of the heavyweight WiFi, not the AP. And finally, don't rule out the RP-AX58 (AX3000) - used as an AP you don't have to worry about conflicting capabilities that can cause an issue for AiMesh!


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[User]
Title: Looking at purchasing a new WiFi7 AP. Deciding on brand to go with.

I am beginning to look at expanding my Home Network with WiFi7 APs being added. I am trying to decide between TP-Link's Omada WiFi7 APs, which look decent and offer 10G POE++ ports for bandwith connectivity or the Unifi WiFi7 AP Pro/Max devices with a 2.5G POE+ port. It seems like both hit around same pricing with the Omada giving maybe a little additional feature such as the 10G port at roughly same price point.

My Network rack currently has the following

Pfsense/Opnsense Firewall Server with Dual 10G X540-T2 NIC, Quad 1G X350-T4 NIC, and 1 2.5G Realtek 8125 onboard NIC
UnRaid Server with both a 10G Aquantia NIC and 1G NIC
TP-Link T1600G-28TS 28 Port 1G (24 Port + 4 shared SFP ports) Managed Switch
IenRon 6 Port POE Switch with 4 2.5G Ports and 2 10G SFP+ (Currently has just my personal gaming and multimedia PC connected to a 2.5G Port and the 10G SFP ports going to my Unraid Server and Pfsense firewall at 10G)
Asus ROG Rapture GT-AX11000 WiFi6 Router in AP mode for wireless devices
Asus RT-AC3100 running as a sudo 4 port switch and AP in Living room currently
Old HP Laptop converted into Fedora mini Server. Looking at repurpose for possible VOIP server such as freepbx
Various other devices connected wired and wirelessly to network.

Just trying to get opinions as I look to expand and if you have experience with these newer APs, that would be great.

[Assistant]
All your pfSense hardware, switches, servers, etc. details are somewhat unrelated to your question. I'm highly in doubt many people around here have Wi-Fi 7 business class AP experience. You'll be buying hardware based on specs and perhaps none of your wireless clients will ever reach wireless throughput above 2.3Gbps - what 2.5GbE port can provide. Slim chance for an APs serving clients on different radios, may eventually reach it with clients very close. Your 6GHz range will be shorter, you need more APs for even coverage, you perhaps need Omada controller or Cloud Key for better roaming, for better planning look for APs radiation patterns, if available. Optimal placing will be ceiling mount and this may be an additional complication.

Why Wi-Fi 7? Is it because you don't have any APs and you want to improve your network. They will allow you to use VLANs and multiple different channels at the same time. It will be a network improvement.
Wi-Fi 7 is still kind of early and may require you to replace them in the short term. Not many devices using Wi-Fi 7 right now. You can still get the network improvements using Wi-Fi 6. If you want to play, have at Wi-Fi 7.

PS
You are going to be better off running 1 LAN NIC so I would pick 10 gig since you have it. Don't run all those NICs in your Pfsense as layer 3 bridging sucks. Just use Pfsense with 1 LAN network or with VLANs. If you want the fastest internal routing speed use a layer 3 switch. EtherChannel is OK but with 10gig not needed.

ECW526 / ECW536 are both decent options going for $250/500 for 2*2 or 4*4 both have 10ge. Single client theoretically hit 3-5gbps.


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[User]
Title: I need some advise and help figure out which to pick or order.

Hi guys

My HOA has purchased a collective bargain fiber, it is 500/500 but upgradeable for a reasonable amount.
Our kid(s) soon to be more they use devices already and I ain't getting fewer my self. Same goes for missus.

The provided Technicolor or some new tag plastic box went haywire after a few months with the WiFi speeds enough to saw of knee kaps. That brutal.

So. I have an AC86U that I unbricked and plugged in. It works ok.
But I want to future proof, and I have a reasonable(?) budget for this. You might laugh, but say around 250-350euros is what I feel comfortable to spend.

I have already purchsed an Asus AX86U Pro and an Asus ROG Rapture GT-AX6000 that are on their way. However, while I have been looking at their specs, I have come to think of tri band routers.
Should I start adding tri band router into my calculations?
I saw a toms review for a Asus tri band router, that they did not like so very much compared to other brand. So it got me thinking.
Should I abandon Asus? And look for another brand? I heard Synology RT6600ax is a good router with Tri Band. https://www.synology.com/sv-se/products/RT6600ax

Are there more contenders that I should look up, or should I be happy with the AX6000 and call it a day?
If you point me to any direction here, either hardware or discussions regarding dual vs tri band, or have the time to lecture me. I'd be most grateful!

Thanks and have a great one!

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You should be happy with what you got, no reason to go tri-band really, the 6 GHz band has pretty short range and doesn't penetrate more than one wall at best. There are obviously routers with two 5 GHz bands, but the only reason to get something like that is to split up devices between the bands, it's not really going to get you better performance.
I've just moved to a new place with gigabit internet access and have the GT-AX6000 and it's plenty good enough.

Thanks for your quick reply, landsman! I feel more assured with the AX6000 and I just hope it is not as huge and as much of an abomination that I have read online!

vinyl said:
Should I abandon Asus?
No, this place is the spiritual home of everything Asus, you would upset the gods. Have you experimented with Merlin yet?