how would you even do like location one


if that makes sense and what happens is sometimes its fullness


nondual perception


and then i just realized thats just because i kind of default to layer three at the moment so presumably if i moved further up i would be like maybe i can just i think thats thats just the gravity but yeah


location one


embedded in layer one because theres a you experiencing this not necessarily its still nondual there wouldnt be like a separate looker or something but theres still a sense of an individualized sense of self that is recognizing and experiencing this all present all containing awareness


i seem to get stuck there just thinking just in my thoughts or emotions sometimes but whenever i stop and look for either emptiness or fullness i seem to find it so im not sure what that means exactly like which way am i coming from or or maybe im just in layer one and pretending to be in the other layers


sense of the divine


when youre in location two for instance you do believe it


maybe a sense of stillness or beingness if that makes sense


and thats makes perfect sense to me because the gravity is really to those elements of layer three and location three you know right


location two


sense of peace


in some cold emotionless agency lists wasteland


into your you know move into your phobias around all of this stuff right got it and those phobias you know i often tell people theyll see if you watch some of these videos youll see me saying this you know that includes location one as far as im concerned


location four and theres the flatness


nondual


a lot of things kind of come together there in a convenient way to just sort of have sort of a better flow in life which it really does kind of feel like a charmed life


transitioned to location 1


now i forgot a few years back when i got into nonduality i simply forgot that i had noticed this person what i would call a personal presence


fullness have a quality of beingness


the mind it feels you know kind of much less noisy more quieter you know silent and still and some of those spacious


location 5


emotion


ive had like more kind of nondual moments than the then im like oh did i do that you know and just sort of feeling a bit like i mentioned this when i kind of think about it like it feels like there is this empty space in there


so when you say its in everything what qualities of it are you perceiving in everything


theres no sense of divinity or anything theres no sense of panpsychist thing all there is things become very very alive everything is full of life and theres a joy i was thinking about love actually just this morning and theres really no sense of love because theres not a sense of other to be loved


text: deepest and darkest despair of their life

label_text: tfwc


here location one has has value for deconditioning but at this point in your process i would be working on really getting established and locations beyond layer one you know after youve got a lot of access and fluidity across the different locations on the matrix you know and youve seen what those can do to that to conditioning you know if theres some stuff that it seems like it might be a good idea to go to location one and see if it can be worked on there and polished off if its like some sticky stuff or it cant be reached for some reason from those higher layers


seems like a different kind of stillness than before like this is the real stillness you know etcetera etcetera etcetera etcetera i mean its just one thing after another after another after another um that makes me think you probably have landed in a location four less


and i mean one thing to consider about the charmed life place thing is if you are more deconditioned


union with the divine


even if you were to go to a you know a more heavy layer three experience in location four you know the definitions and feel and sense and what youve abided and up to this point its like a night and day difference from a layer three perspective


compassion


openness


shifting into layer two


panpsychist sense


if you were in layer three of location two and you were in a spot that had you something like joy or love or whatever arising then that would be your experience and so it s gotten a lot more nuanced as weve released more and more information and detail and just sort of had time to do that


you can focus on the layer two stuff spacious emptiness all that you can focus on the layer two stuff


its it sounds like what youre experiencing there is is a is an awareness or an ability to perceive layer one and the sense of self that it generates from wherever youre at


path of freedom direction


i have experienced layer two


because of this single multifaceted emotion it feels amazing to live at location 3


divinity


fullness presence


text: an event in fundamental wellbeing for a while

label_text: tfw


no emotion


its peaks in intensity in the trees


text: fundamental wellbeing we renormalize so quickly you know we have a change and it feels like this amazing thing for like you know a day or a week or you know a few hours or something and then it like becomes the new normal


you know the it can be worth thinking into for some people if they get that sense of aliveness in the body that if you just really sink into it for some people that can open up deeper aspects of layer three stillness the silence beneath that aliveness kind of has a depth to it


but when i got triggered especially i mean theres when when strong triggers present i i will kind of put back into layer one and and in which i will feel thoughts are very real the problems are very real


meta emotion of love joy and compassion


sometimes what is it is a smell the smell of roses just overwhelms me


theres still spaciousness on one side and fullness on the other


spaciousness


theres a feeling of a deeper and deeper stillness where theyre seeing theres no one and nothing but the eyes can be open then to see that also it maintains itself


so if we go from there and we go on to like another location location six six is notorious for its glitches


i am that i am that fullness


i think i think what im calling the emotional experience of pure peace would have more spaciousness


sense of unity


it s actually like a monalisa smile it s like a little tiny smile it s and so i think for that theres at least layer three where there s a warmth in the system but it s never personal


because it feels it doesnt feel exactly like what i would call pure peace because sometimes i feel that too where its just you know inner peace and it doesnt feel like pure joy and it feels really good and and it feels in the family of happiness as far as my experience of emotions and what i term kind of the general family of happiness and good feelings and yeah just just just pleasurable and which is good so it seems to me like what you know quote unquote bliss is or should be it does have more im trying to like like right now it has more energy in it theres almost more it seems like theres more energy in it than really kind of just pure bliss


and so in location three there is and youre going between the two most subtle possible places you know potentially location wise


make logical sense or would be considered the


the


lot of divinity going


while the finder feels a deep sense of completeness his or her partner still has a narrativeself that thrives on external validation


aspects of love


and then for location three theres all sorts of methods lesters love i think was one that was mentioned a minute ago by you if i remember right and theres ascension


yeah um its also when when the mind really quietens down or essentially layer one is out of subjective perception


and just focus on layer two


emptiness


layer one i can absolutely work out that theres not it cant be like if you go from your own direct experience there just isnt and sometimes its totally gone so listening to music can just be the music is and im not


text: fundamental wellbeing


i think i can create that illusion that these sensations are distinct and special from the rest of existence snd im looking at space and i tell you the main thing why i tend to kind of think i must be in location one because i remember the early descriptions of it


text: thats one direction that people can take she very much took one direction and then another direction you know in a way more like you or many others even my mom


layer one i can the thoughts and emotions seems very impersonal


stillness


if perception you know if it doesnt go to all of a sudden theres a looker and a here and theres a you here highly localized and everything else is way out there and its at a distance and its all separate objects


love


if you think about divinity as sort of a lower vibrational form of the celestial and you think about the celestial as a potential onramp for a for a very flexible system like yours but not in its lower form not in its mid range form i mean just in its highest most pure most transcendent form and so thats what you would really want to try to find and sink into and the experience of the divine if you wanted to play around with going to the to the celestial yeah be careful of the celestial you know from a relationship standpoint and stuff though of course because like your sex drive will drop off if that matters to your husband or something


this is a great test that you can use to sort of figure out where youre at from a location one standpoint


so it s i can cope with it much better but still there there s this basic feeling of okayness equanimity that s just always there it might be a bit more in the in the background when things get really busy but in general it s just this feeling of everything is okay and i can handle everything and there s this the possibility to to do a lot of things simultaneously and to be on top of things


field sensation field of limitless love


it sounds like its clearly location to to me without that sense of self behind the eyes thats the easy one it is funny how the self is bothered by its own return thats kind of entertaining isnt it its just never happy its its not happy when youre trying to make it go away its not happy when it comes back its just generally not happy


you know darkness is never really described as darkness unless its just absolutely pitch black its just described as dim and the objects that are still in perception to somebody in location five


i would say youre somewhere deeper in in location two layer three with that access to layer one


spaciousness


i had another experience when i was doing the 45 days course where i was less functional at work none of you can throw some light on this i i seem to get caught in not being able to think actually which is a bit of a problem because you know as a therapist you do need to plan the session you need to bring the session to a conclusion you need to strategize you need to be thinking about what the client needs and all i could do was respond to what they just said for the whole session


i used to be very very reactive i think i have some like you know neuroticism in my personality because i used to be very reactive before and thats still there if i get you know annoyed at work or you know have too much to do i get stressed out so i think theres like a reactivity and that also pushes me down even though its much less than it used to be


it s not what a am there s no continuity between me and that spaciousness i can feel some spaciousness maybe but there s no continuity between me and that and that would be fine that would be a location one layer two type experience


fullness


they often adapt their lives to these issues by being careful to note things on lists or make use of electronic calendars that provide automated reminders


divinity


text: like im in the uk and the beginning of lockdown in the uk in 2020 probably i think id got pretty good like in middle age as like at least masking at least like being kind of functional kind of social kind of engaged in a lot of stuff and i think lockdown sort of just took the covers off that and ive really noticed that as it ended i had no real there was no desire to go back to living how i was living before so thats probably the the biggest yeah like the biggest sort of more ongoing shift in terms of behavior


i think the emptiness is a different one


um so when when it pulled you when you were kind of or you just feel like you were just watching sort of your mind thinking oh this is location four i shouldnt stay here too long


lose their personal individual love for their child


so its difficult for me to really discern where im at at any given time i think i go from nonduality into back into location one


depending on how the transition to fundamental wellbeing affected their underlying motivations


layer one and location two


text: but after the storm is gone i can go back to the calmness and enjoyable ness and


and so leave it activated and go to layer two and you know sink in with fundamental wellbeing with sort of a worst case scenario like that it doesnt have to be worse worst worst case you get the idea it can be different scenarios different ideas you know youre probably not going to be like oh no this is absolutely what would happen so you know ballpark kind of thing um and coat and sink in fundamental well being you know and deeply from your layer two perspective while that is active and let layer twos fundamental wellbeing work its magic on the conditioning that is there that is causing that fear that is causing that whatever


because at that point its like the light cant turn towards it and light up inequalities and thats the only way you know that knowing has happened you know its always been relational even though its in union or it can be nondual but theres still that which knows like awareness that which lights up experience and when that entirely disappears into existence itself or into reality its only that unto itself which is entirely without those qualities


that fear communicates to your system about fluidity in general right its like oh fluidity can be bad


the body can can relax and and the blocks can can relax as well and a feeling of of of being of being connected to my environment feeling that around me and through me and more through through through the center of the of the of the heart area and feeling like it it is looking back at me and and yeah feeling a sense of of emptiness or loneliness or loneliness but but then it can change and it feels quite quite full and and that arises also within within the center of my heart or my space when my heart is and if i sort of feel feel feel into my heart theres a sense of sacredness or our maternal beingness there like a like a feeling of of of purity of purity of timelessness like like a sense of a sense of perfection um expression or play and um yeah sort of so thats when i do the exercises where i stop and look and thats what i tend to find but i guess sort of in my day to day life i feel as though me and i still have i still feel like im a self ive got a body but but i can just take a moment and i can i can feel that spaciousness around me and and often like ill work quite a lot so often ill be quite tired and i do that energy that really changes i feel much more energized and relaxed when i do that


love


text: let the sort of deeper form of fundamental wellbeing sink into that you know as close as you can with that still arising


nonduality


like even right now im feeling a little bit the gosh its its its like a warmth right here in my in my you know kind of chest and just torso you kind of stomach area um and just i wouldnt its in the family of joy but i wouldnt call it joy necessarily its also the related to this idea that just and you know that everything is going to be okay but its somehow stronger than that well theres a few things


the primary qualities of location three are sort of that one dominant emotion one you know one emotion with three or more facets but at least three facets of divine or impersonal love compassion joy with at any given time one of those facets you know more dominant in ones experience


flatness


so when you arent in moments where you arent the layer three version


whereas layer three can be a lot easier to live life from so if that experience was something you loved its cool


location two


no agency


so you can still have your sense of identity or a sense of what you are be you know the associated with layer three


my suspicion is that you probably are shifting between location one


location 3 their internal emotional makeup is almost exclusively positive


id have to be quiet still and not doing anything and take some time to just bring my attention to it you know and it might take at least ten 15 minutes just sitting still just to get that get more to drop more into that sense that this is me


aliveness yeah the aliveness sensation wouldnt be layer three you know strictly you know it may correlate to layer three


text: i think you have to be very careful in taking a peak experience from prior to fundamental well being and trying to sort of parse it and find sort of different aspects of fundamental well being in it because youre bringing the and its its its everyone does it i think you know that has had these experiences that what sets us off on this journey right i mean these temporary experiences whether they were in drugs or whether they were just happening out of the blue for someone theyre often sort of what sets people off on a journey like this


layer one that you have greatly reduced selfreflexive thought story and past future


still some emotionally charged thoughts


and maybe it pulls you over to location three


but i think i probably got good access to to layer three and lie three ive always felt alive three im fairly easily never really felt lied to but through this exercise i could i could feel i could feel lied to a bit more


layer three knows is going to sort of be way way you know way maybe even hidden


but location four deepens and layer four


foreground


i dont remember specifically targeting layer three


senselessness


you know when that goes it sort of it collapses it basically its the collapse of it its its what happens just before in a way that that a deeper sense of spaciousness and then the collapse or deeper sense of stillness and then the collapse of the whole you know layer three thing basically


findersof feeling this lack of agency are consistent across these finders in location 4 so we must accept that this is how it feels inside them but what produces their actions remains a mystery


mean was the anger


theres definitely you know ease of access to layer one


location 2


um the connected feels a little bit more rooted and grounded um like theres a little bit more focus on and the energy directly within and around my


but theres never an experience of that self being like removed from or distinct from you know what youre experiencing as though you know like a like a duality where like that self is whats looking out your eyes and the stuff is out there and the self is in here


a sense of stillness is always deeper as you deepen in that direction


it involved continued lack of agency


no emotion


sort of got confounded with the descriptions of aliveness and so on and layer three but you might


moments and so basically when you come out of the narrative mind you start to fill the mind moments that the narrative mind filled with sensory mind moments and so that can also account for the for the luminosity thing it doesnt necessarily have to be it can be a combination of what you said but when you when you were talking about it i was like oh it could be a mind moment thing just because you know theres more moments of sensory experience in the conscious experience


religious


text: fundamental wellbeing


text: not in fundamental wellbeing

label_text: nfw


the qualities of spaciousness emptiness


emptiness


and maybe the way to get at that a little bit more is to go on to what happens when you do actually sink in and when you have the thing in your sternum in the center of your chest or whatever basically happening that that sense of a void i mean a void is one of those things that you hear you know thats a term thats very strongly associated with layer two and certainly especially at a nondual type of location like location two


fullness


it would still feel like everythings just showing up you would just have most of your attention centered on the mind and there would be some individual sense of self associated with that but not that felt sense of this thing


merging implies two that are merging from one


text: so i can see it happening from a distance but thats it and could you could say jump into it


many of the positive traits and types of human experience


sense of self


location 4


when i was in layer four then this dreamy thing is all gone and its just a reality


union


spaciousness


theres spaciousness


location three might be that single emotion or it might be some merging with divinity


empty


so basically the components of that meta emotion the sense of the divine and methods that are particularly good for location three


change in sense of self and perception


and just going back and forth between duality


nonduality


nondual


fullness


and then i watch the mind do its tricks for example itll put me asleep or zone out or these are all tricks that i recognize and but it still manages at times to catch me up but i can sink in it almost immediately into that feeling of silence


definitely sometimes and and and one of the times that i would notice that would be the times when im sort of stressed about something which does still happen you know cant get upset about things still so thats all you know thats definitely a identification with some kind of story thats going on then


whole sort of shift of orientation


panpsychist


you know i think i would ask myself what would happen if you know in a random interruption exercise um i was going to sink into that joy and try to sink into you know layer three


in location 4 participants reported no sense of


then theres the fullness is accompanied by


everything turns into flatness


including your focus on location to layer three


union


vastness to the point of actually a little dreariness


it makes me wonder if like some part of the layer one identity has discovered that this is a way that it can


it was sort of everything like a lot of colored spots in my eyes sense of things moving at the edge of my of my field uh a ringing tone in the ears and a lot of twitching of the arms and the legs constantly


would you say that a quality of aliveness


text: mindfulness


through layer one as an example


being having being so tied up in a belief that you are effectively your intelligence


the fullness


merger


layer three um but yeah like the the spatial the spaciousness was replaced by the fullness and everything was kind of linked together in a way


location 1 individuals notice that their focus is now more centered in the present moment rather than the past or future


in location three theres a soul in location for the notion that theres a soul is just crazy you know its like wow what a delusion that is


emptiness or spaciousness


and when i go deeper into layer two there is also this really deep sense of quietness its like an inner silence and an outer silence


but that is probably aspects of layer two that youre sensing into um and you are able to when i asked you the question to you know briefly shift into a sense of identity as layer two as the presence


like sometimes when i look at things like theres a an overlay or an underlay of like a kind of grid sort of like a flat three dimensional grid like theres theres more dimensions


it just feels like the words become simple


location for layer two when youre really locked into it just feels like some intense dark night of the soul you know maybe the most intense dark night of the soul experience that you could possibly imagine


location three layer three


sense of self i feel the sense of self is pretty steadily rooted in layer one


and so you could potentially do a little biasing that way


pervading presence


absolute


nothingness


text: so the existence of everything is more fundamental than any experience of it


text: curcumin supplement


or location two because what were talking about when theres just the field of sound present when theres just the visual field arising with you being a part of just whats arising with it that really is a nondual sense and it goes across


experiencing layer two


so what youre describing there is primarily rootedness in layer one which might be happening in location one


i think one thing that your layer one could do it would be nice your mind could do that would be nice and that you could do maybe in terms of reminding your mind would be to just be okay accepting more of your experience without all of this second guessing


joy


location 4 participants


having to go to sort of the alien and root in and become hyper familiar with the alien type of thing at location four


feeling like a return to a more bodily


if youre going to follow a path through location two um kind of deepening into the layers to such an extent that it pulls your system


full sense of aliveness


text: and even in situations where id normally just just be worried about and in and experience anxiety and that kind of stuff there would be that feeling right there and a lot of times it was in the foreground i went through a period where a lot of times it was in the foreground and and and and then i said you know i might be there


text: rapid conclusion


spaciousness


im suspecting that its layer three from location to its my guess


kind of calm stillness


so stillness


emptiness


location one experience of layer two and so that more or less just fits in with the rest of your selfassessment regarding you know where you might be at what you might actually be experiencing um and whatever else yeah


finders typically seem completely normal in social


because it feels it doesnt feel exactly like what i would call pure peace because sometimes i feel that too where its just you know inner peace and it doesnt feel like pure joy and it feels really good and and it feels in the family of happiness as far as my experience of emotions and what i term kind of the general family of happiness and good feelings and yeah just just just pleasurable and which is good so it seems to me like what you know quote unquote bliss is or should be it does have more im trying to like like right now it has more energy in it theres almost more it seems like theres more energy in it than really kind of just pure bliss


nonduality


joy


location three are a single positive emotion youre calling it a positive feeling that is kind of a mixture of love joy and compassion and an absence of other emotions essentially certainly negative emotions in addition to that there s also a sense of union with either what feels like the divine in everything or a sense of kind of an all pervasive presence which you call calling an energy


the fullness feels bigger


no time no space no sense of self


text: no fundamental wellbeing


fullness


freedom


make that whole spacious thing show up in one way


text: fundamental wellbeing


love


love to just be no agency


from close to that place and kind of maybe sync zoom in a bit but you can essentially live probably a lot of your life from a place like that


path of freedom


you know your thoughts and emotions that are sort of seeing a glimpse of spaciousness or something from where theyre at it sounds more like youre rooted in a stillness and a silence and a peacefulness a silence and a peacefulness are the words that you use that has you know more spaciousness from thoughts and emotions and like maybe your you know accessing layer one more


the evidence is hard to tease out because generally when a stimulus or memory jogger is used requested events can be recalled


it took me like five minutes to come back and be able to talk like a normal person again and so ive actually been avoiding those unless im i have someone near me buddy im staying with is a pretty advanced meditator but he s like a happy location three person


layer two kind of spacious nonduality experience


it seems like sort of silence and stillness type of that sort of thing is central to everything that you talk about


if its something that shows up when you deepen into layer three and showed up initially for the first time when you started getting access to layer three then you could probably say you know safely say that its some you know aspect of your experience that correlates with layer three


it it s not so difficult so it does not take so much work for location three is somehow easier


environment


in all likelihood


the love is infusing every object but its not i am not fully the love but everything i would look at would have an infusion of this love feeling


fullness


it s really a direct experience and i think you are having even from location one the sense of layer three


seems like a different kind of stillness than before like this is the real stillness you know etcetera etcetera etcetera etcetera i mean its just one thing after another after another after another um that makes me think you probably have landed in a location four less


nothingness


expansiveness to relate


a joy


well so so when i when i sing sink in um and theres more of a sensation of just energy uh not so much of physicality anymore just just energy and it kind of merges with everything around me just theres a sense of oneness it does feel light it does feel yeah light um and perhaps even luminous much more of a sensation than something very physical if i if i bring up some visuals around that it feels like and it looks


spacious emptiness


who doesnt believe in the divine


so then if i was able to go to location four


it seems pretty clear that im in location three layer three and its just theres just this strong overriding sense of joy and contentment


i was just watching flowers and just looking at the patterns and just like in awe and wonder of the of the patterns and the richness and vividness of color and yeah life just life in general just feels more rich and full and exciting here


so so youve got the that positive meta emotion love joy compassion


my goal is to get to be fluent between layer two or location two


freedom


love a yes so its just that yeah i guess the word just has so many different connotations much more than what i have now i think it just kept trying to go more and then it kept being a little blocked so like i guess probably just the beginning stages of location three or just i dont know i dont like maybe it was really deep location two layer three i just dont know how like magical


stillness


but theres still a little bit of nonduality


location one


everything arises


if theres one thing that like virtually every location for a person is going to mention experiencing its its that frustration thing which you know confuses them a little trips them up a little bit or whatever else


space perceiving


location 3


text: i feel fundamental well being i feel a sense of everything being okay kind of a grounded sense its not always in the foreground


often reported that their sense of self seemed


a major reason for this was because the change they experienced in motivation after their transition to fundamental wellbeing produced negative impacts on their income social life or other aspects of their life and they simply decided to switch backmany people who rejected fundamental wellbeing had one major thing in common they had experienced rapid transitions that took them directly into location 4 in one case a person read a book about fundamental wellbeing went to sleep and woke up in location 4 despite being absorbed in a previously undreamtof level of wellbeing and sense of freedom he felt hed traded his humanity for it it is not uncommon for those who land in location 4 without religious or spiritual moorings or a psychological frame of reference to feel this way


like everything is like liquid type


emotion


agent of whatevers happening in terms of your system what youre doing what youre thinking what youre feeling


it s easy as well to go to location to layer two basically


presence would generally be more layer three but can absolutely be layer two


this refers to experiencing the world as no longer colored by the narrativeself from the new viewpoint of fundamental wellbeing especially from location 2 on


that really sounds like location two with no sense of a looker or a seer thats looking out


merging


im spaciousness spaciousness and sort of focus on that sensation


either location one with some shallow access to layer two


its a just the awareness whether its it seems to be really full these days like and then i can see theres emptiness there but then i dont i dont think i stay in the like layer two emptiness for long


very much in contrast to the emptiness


spaciousness


theres an awareness that is awareness of everything happening inside my body and outside my body and expanding way out which encompasses all the people in the space that im singing for um so its inclusive its an inclusive awareness um thats the way i have understood it in the past thats a thats actually a term used just in music performance


developing some access to location for to when when you feel the time is right because you have that you know youve got an affinity with that method by the sounds of it


nondual


and then it seems like then my awareness is able to just be aware of whats whats there and notice details and all that kind of stuff


no divine


location two is a sense


self though it is much more subtle than the


you could do that possibly um maybe not you know maybe theres a sense maybe you stay in the shallow range of layer three and just start moving in that direction letting that stuff start to come up


it feels like its around and in everything like for example the easiest thing like with like when i close my eyes and and i look at that buzzing and tingling then every individual tingle theres awareness of it and the awareness is sort of in the experiencing but also sort of around it around everything at the same time in and around i dont know if thats pervading


location 3 finders have been freed from a considerable amount of their psychological conditioning and negative emotions


bit later i might notice the stillness


personal emotion


everything that theyve ever heard or read or seen or whatever its all been about union with the divine or union with god or union with whatever deity or whatever


not really it feels pretty full it feels more full


theres just absolutely no guarantee once you jump across that location five channel but you get the idea


one with the divine


empty spaciousness


weve heard bliss weve heard pure bliss weve heard pure joy um


i said was the crushing loneliness of the divine that was beautiful in his stark simplicity


not that you thats looking for that kind of experience so take it or leave it you might have glimpses and decide that is what you want but based on your description it sounds much more like location three would be


even my thoughts


others like ones of layer one tend to be dissolved very rapidly by layer two


location two


so like a sense of just being more present with the body


text: going to be of fundamental wellbeing there is a massive range of variance thats possible in the system because youve basically gone through you know someone in your shoes has basically gone through the whole human nervous system developmental cycle within fundamental wellbeing


ive actually one benefit is that ive got i have my anchor or my hook for location three out of it which just happened recently just pure pure holiness


empty space in the headless area um but a lot of my time is spent at work right now and work is have a lot of conditioning to do there extensively and theres a lot of things related to that that i think are either pulling me down at some points


location 1 finders often become much less interested in the stories the people around them tell


presence


freedom


it transformed how things were perceived all of that right so imagine that was just the first glimpse of the first one of those sort of later locations it just gets more you know intense profound different however you want to say it from there right and so if youre staying at skimming the surface and maintaining the fluidity back and forth you know you only get so much of those benefits is one way to think about it


location three


spaciousness


charmed life


but the identity has a sort of inertia to it and the longer i stay with that layer three experience the more like slowly that identity starts maybe to move a little bit


having consciousness at layer three liveliness and emotion can be felt in both living and nonliving things


nothingness


its obviously influencing the range of fluidity that you have ease of access to because you can access deep experience of layer two


sounds good let s see if youre actually in location one


thats a little bit of a difficult place to stick persistently and so its probably more of like a very high layer three


i noticed like i was a little concerned when you said it might be location one im like oh no i want location two so there is this kind of things that come up all the time and even though ive become like really aware of them its just it just still comes up and i still experience it and there is like there is some a little bit of a feedback loop if there is some frustration with that oh again so thats that feels like layer one at layer two


indwelling of the divine


that emotional component might also be more obvious


nature or you know


you could have just as dominant an experience of mental activity if you really got shallow into layer one but you wouldnt suddenly feel like theres something in your head or behind your eyes thats looking out your eyes and stuff is out there and youre in here and its distinct and separate


divinity divine


emptiness


it has ebbed and flowed a little bit but its been pretty consistent feeling of deeper stillness at the points where one would expect you know you were describing things around the fullness or just stuff like that versus the body per se versus like sinuses and mhm or even in this part of the conversation you know like it seems like the stillness is ebbed a little bit from the depth that it was a moment ago


text: i realized that actually it wasnt personal and was beyond me but i dont think what i put in the thing was that i only came into fundamental wellness a few or at least thought i was in it a few


connect very deeply with this sensation of energy that i feel and uh losing myself in it then yes yes but i dont do that i dont i dont tend to go that far and yeah like im a mother i run a business so i tend to be much more i think layer layer one layer two yeah thats modus operandi this


when youre in layer one its mostly rooted in a higher layer whether its layer two or layer three or even layer four


layer three feeling permeates through that um and i guess the very act of investigating it also shifts my experience of it in the moment


you know that control structure i think really has to be gone in order for you to which is another reason i think you know you have to its sort of location to layer three


and location four


might say aliveness


and then while youre in layer one you know youre able to produce a memory of layer three if thats what it is


location two because youve got that single meta emotion


location five annoying


so you do get a sense of spaciousness


another big thing that ive noticed that made me think that its probably location too is where its just its really deep sense of peace that that that often comes and stays for a while that wasnt there before in location one


thats generally your sense of what you are except when your attention gets very pulled into layer one at which point we dont know for sure whether your identity shifts there or whether just all of your attention is occupied with it and youre not noticing the the space around things


path of humanity


but theres a sense of theres a sense of me here


presence


i dont know and theres still theres an awareness that never goes away that im not this right this is well this is a way to interact and interface and uh but its an extraordinarily confining uh oh compression so you know i really i really value the research orientation of your work which is what drew me to the body of your work and ive been trying to fit myself into the matrix because i know that theres lots of excellent data in it um and and honestly i just im struggling against the binary distinctions it feels it feels odd


nonduality


also have experience of emptiness and mean did


it becomes the emptiness the empty spaciousness


so spaciousness is probably the most accessible thing aside from silence


stillness


and so its possible you have some degree of fluidity from some form of layer two sense of self to a more layer one sense of self


impersonal or universal or divine love


i feel like really just im in layer one i think when im busy


freedom


i think spend as much time in layer two as you possibly can regardless of where at


text: lets talk a little bit about what the seeking of truth might mean in the context of what our research has uncovered from a fundamental wellbeing standpoint


it will most likely just feel like a physiological sort of response that used to form into a more complex emotion if its very strong there might be some emotion that arises but it will probably feel like its arising as sort of part of or somehow transparent to that universal love joy compassion meta emotion


location four didnt seem appealing at all and it sounded well scary you could say like no agency being a puppet and no emotions and


youre experiencing layer two spaciousness


infinite emptiness or spaciousness and everything just shows up within it and disappears within it


theres spaciousness there theres emptiness there


so pure peace would be have less energy in it less uh because to me peace is more restful whereas this does not feel russell has has energy and its so for pure peace as far as pure joy


so you really want to be using your access to layer two you want to be trying to spend as much time as you can sinking into being the spaciousness when that occurs trying to get that to happen as much as you can trying to just sink into it you know put your attention on it sink into it communicate to your nervous system this is what we want this is what we want this is what we want


sense of union with the divine and absence of personal emotion


unless theres some crazy conditioning or something that pulls someone down or which is which often has to be like some significant trauma in the system that just locks them into like layer two of location four you know at which point theyd probably rather not be in fundamental wellbeing


so the love side felt a little the love facet sort of felt a little blocked did it feel like it was it feel like all of these these things were sort of present as one unified kind of meta emotion at one time with just different facets forward like a joy facet forward at some times a love facet forward at another time


that sounds great okay so based on what i am hearing i would say that you absolutely have an experience of location to layer three cool im trying or not that also now whether or not you are and you know that already all right otherwise you would have had to skip this interview to be digging a trench somewhere to run some water lines you know because or youll never be running water lines without paying a few thousand dollars to get the thing fixed and then it breaks down two minutes later and costs you another couple thousand dollars or whatever right right um and so theres a but that doesnt preclude the possibility that some that you have fluidity over to you know location three layer three


that can be a very useful place to try if youre working with conditioning at layer one


fullness element


people are divinity


emptiness


but that is not to say that finders at this location do not feel a sense of unity


thats layer three stuff