terms of spaciousness


thats certainly possible i can understand you know a sense of aliveness in the body right being comingled with an aliveness with sort of the aliveness as one of the words or one of the one of the aspects of the sense of presence


alternating presence


youve got sort of the frustration thing remaining which is extremely common at a location for type thing


path of freedom


like even right now im feeling a little bit the gosh its its its like a warmth right here in my in my you know kind of chest and just torso you kind of stomach area um and just i wouldnt its in the family of joy but i wouldnt call it joy necessarily its also the related to this idea that just and you know that everything is going to be okay but its somehow stronger than that well theres a few things


like i often say if somebody has you know responsibility which is a corporate term for profit and loss responsibility sort of more financial responsibility for a firm or a division of a firm or something like that then probably location three


and so the freedom is so free


you know almost made me pee my pants when it first happened to me in india 25 years ago it was like it wasnt just there was this amazing fullness it was like i was i was sitting next to the ganges river late at night with this huge rapids right next to me and suddenly i was the rock that i was leaning on and then i was the rapids and then i was the entire ganges and then i was the entire planet and then it just kept going to way beyond what my mind could kind of keep up so that was the flavor of my of my initial awakening


now i want to go to location three more because just to confirm that i was there but if and if i wasnt there then even more i want to go there


so location 3 is dual but not in the same way as location 1 or for nonfinders


communicating more directly with reality


because location to layer four can sound so much like


this yielded three research opportunities where it seemed like a participants stress level might be high enough to warrant a followup visit as luck would have it our very first interviewee my doctor friend was one of them as mentioned previously i had known him for over twenty years since long before he had become a finder during his initial interview he was in location 2


switch into layer one


it doesnt preclude you from that necessarily and you have to keep in mind most people want location three


flip on the visual


compassion


location two also combination one


when this is experienced there is a sense that everything is truly just one thing


theres not theres nothing centered on you perceiving those sounds either as a hearer or as a more localized but different from the rest of it sense of spaciousness or something like that you know as well


you know theyre still luminous objects


text: fundamental wellbeing

label_text: tfwc


it might even feel as if something larger than you is making decisions and taking action through you


location two at a period in your life where there were more ups and downs


the fullness and the and the presence


fullness


there was just one thing i wanted to say its interesting listening to the way youre speaking because youll the way youre phrasing your experience by saying theres no me or i disappear or you know theres no self there is actually relative to the reference point of your ordinary sense of self so if you stabilize in layer three and really have that be your sense of self its theres more of a tendency to just say well am you know this kind of all pervading field of presence


location 3


text: meditation


larger than and to extend beyond the physical


definitely sometimes and and and one of the times that i would notice that would be the times when im sort of stressed about something which does still happen you know cant get upset about things still so thats all you know thats definitely a identification with some kind of story thats going on then


so i guess im bringing a little more layer one into it


charmed life thing


sort of then the fullness can start to come in


dont have a lot to say about it it that that feels like a bunch of conceptual overlay that i want to get away from it just feels good it feels well spaciousness im coming at it from the layer three it just feels very full and beautiful and and its just good okay


spacious perception


text: there is this curiosity about the things that i experienced and whether it is what you call celestial or its something entirely different so thats why i mentioned it

label_text: tfw


sense of spaciousness


so like a sense of just being more present with the body


you know that control structure i think really has to be gone in order for you to which is another reason i think you know you have to its sort of location to layer three


this sense of fundamental okayness is usually in the background of experience at location 1


pervading sort of fullness presence


text: right and thats not an easy thing for them to do youre not in any different position just because youre in fundamental wellbeing youve got an established life self within this i dont know if you were listening to the last call with annemieke talking to someone who was basically kind of new in location three and had lost it it was there for like you know five days or something and then fell out of it and was interested in getting back to it or whatever but one thing that i thought was really interesting that she basically said is that you know as youre going through the location to to location three to location four theres like this progression of the loss of the personal self at location three and then the loss of the non personal self at location four and so even though youre not thinking of yourself as sort of having a sense of self there is a self that sort of has to die to some degree or has to surrender or has to give way just like ive advised you know a zillion people right over your time of helping them to transition to fundamental wellbeing you know


spacious emptiness


in location three there was a certain clarity that i dont have now because it was like less commotion or deadness because like the love would infuse every thought so a thought would come up and instead of me where i am right now i dont want to deal with it it would just be like oh its okay its lets lets just sit with it and the loving feeling would just infuse every thought and then certain judgments that id have oh well i dont really need to look at it that way i can well i can just put love in this or i can just love it so that that id say that was like the most stark contrast


what we really looking for for layer three is that experience of an all pervading sense of fullness or presence the emotions like love or joy or compassion those are common ones that can show up in layer three more frequently and layer three than any other layer


wonder


presence


theyre in the direction of something you want to deepen into and so it doesnt really matter whether that turns out to be a vocation deeper in location to layer three or whether its location three layer three it gives you a direction that you can work with to sink into and deepen your experience of layer three


rather than layer one


freedom


and so if youre deeper in just the spaciousness and youre really sunk into it and whatnot


divinity in everything


okay you know youre more freedom openness ease type of thing i mean even your use of the word freedom under interest for section in your document yeah it was literally the very first thing that you typed and the bullet points which you know could have just been meaning nothing right but often these things actually do matter the things that peoples minds put in certain orders or whatever else yeah um you know freedom openness ease those are all very location for


love joy and compassion


very full


i suspect you are probably you have probably touched upon layer four and location two for a while


theres strong evidence that some hindu and buddhist sects have been aware of location 4 for hundreds of years possibly longer


so that subtle duality where there is a dissolving into the divine so that you can sink into that and sort of um lock location three more into your system


even feeling that space was just jarring


centralist again


they could take any action of their own


id say it is infused with the layer three experience that im having if i if i look into it its yes that sense of self is in its in the field its like its like almost i dont know if it contains the field um


if theyre coming out of layer three location three um you know then so theres always this mix i think youre in a situation where even fairly recently this is you know deepening and developing more in the direction from sort of the top part of location to over into increasingly rooting itself in layer four and for you


m less concerned about you continuing to go deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper i dont have any issue with you playing around with that and you know i mean if anything it might be like maybe 10 to 20 of time on layer one methods


location 4 finders often report that they cannot plan what they are going to say


thats an exact example of what lester himself did to get himself into location three


sounds like a good direction to sink into


im pretty sure youve been past location six so let s see how far out you might have gone


you may opt for a different technique like not necessarily sentence completion you could do that you could also just focus on the sense in the body like where the conditioning is some sort of sensation associated with it or just generally paying attention to your your inner experience um yeah and whatever way you you know once youve identified a piece of conditioning in the system you can just shift layers or locations and then see what experience of it remains um and that can be really helpful it can be very it can give a lot of sort of insight into what that conditioning is and what it produces in the system um like yeah can give you examples but it would be a maybe a long story but it can also show you its boundaries because at some point youre going to deepen beyond that conditioning so maybe by the time youre in location three


sense of agency


sort of got confounded with the descriptions of aliveness and so on and layer three but you might


so you actually do have a lot of the things that are in the direction of what you could see eventually is going to with a little bit of stability first of all and then deepening into location two


path of humanity


layer one as arising as part of a singular field of experience


location 1


i have very little emotion now apart from you know just a lightness um dont really get angry even if i if something upsets me its over almost before it starts um i dont really get attached to anything ive lost a lot of sense of memory or worrying about the past or think about the future im much more in the moment um and id be tempted to say location too except i dont have that nondual aspect i dont feel like ive got that i dont feel that theres someone here really i know that theres no one here like an individual entity watching but it still seems like theres a center here so if i look back i cant say yeah its its difficult to and i can step away from that as well so i can see it myself arising and i can see whatever else is arising as well so for example when i wake up in the morning there is no me at all its just quite nice very pleasant just sort of feel myself sinking into the body feeling the sensations and then it might be a little while it might be i dont know its probably only minutes but you know then a thought will pop up and then it kind of another thought and it might be about yesterday or tomorrow


and so thats a deeper experience of both or of layer two than just directly experiencing it


spaciousness


youve already won the lottery your system is wired for it youre deep in it you can go to you can experience layer one and


emptiness or spaciousness


happiness love gratitude joy


the sense that the world is not comprised of self and other and that there are not two


and layer three is like has a fullness


emptiness


may also be an increased sense of connectedness to the divine and a newly invigorated sense of truth around their religious doctrine


its not for you its like driving right but you can imagine like if you know youre like really into some sport or something it can be like a holy crap kind of actually happened to me with location two


it s what we re looking for too is essentially that sense of what youre location seven or something its like theres only the existence or only the universe and it s so dominant in experience but when that location eight shift happens it s like there was no sense of something looking at existence and so you think it s just existence looking at your eyes but when that it s like that flip it s almost like suddenly that is looking


hints of and direct references to location 4 and beyond are also found in other religious and spiritual traditions especially ones that were less likely to put adherents to death for sharing their experiences


charmed life


you know theres still that merger theres still that union but that spaciousness and that you know that that sort of emptiness quality of sorts is combining with that with some of those qualities of location three like the sense of the divine or like the panpsychist sense


an emptiness


path of freedom


ive never thought of it as absent agency but ive felt it as weak agency as in like severe procrastination there are things that i need to do and i just dont want to or hours pass and i kind of snap out of it and say oh wow you know those hours passed and i had things to do and i didnt do them and then ill kind of check internally my sense of okay how many days or weeks till the deadline can was it okay that i got away can i get away with having wasted the last two hours and if the answer is yes then im vulnerable to another couple of hours of just kind of drifting


path of humanity


targeting the location to layer three sort of charmed life type of sweet spot in part to get a sense of sort of the magic that can really be in life


location 4


fullness


text: the actual structure i mean and i dont mean like in the neuroplasticity kind of way but like in some deeper fundamental way like brain stem like messing with your brain stem kind of stuff


and when youre kind of in that in that sense of self it obviously feels like its kind of what you are or like youre looking from that perspective


regardless of the choice made it is a consciously observed event that can be manipulated in a highly specific wayas one deepens in location 2 and later this process typically becomes increasingly automatic


layer three is a sense and layer two


my suspicion is that your type of person who has a proclivity more towards location one


i think it feels more like the fullness right now at this moment


but youve got layer two but youre also you know solidly established and location two


text: as far as you can


sense of freedom


main motivation problem seems to be gone


for example she had not yet found her romantic partner nor had she experienced the intensity of parental loveat the same time this impersonal process seemed to be observing how it felt to live in location 4


they now realize that selfreferential stories underpin most social interaction and they are probably struggling a bit with their reduced interest in these narratives


single positive emotion


i remember then i can sense the presence as initially as one of the objects that is in and then i have to sort of relax


no hearer only hearing


so i think exactly what youre saying you know we can generate a looker if we want to or that sense to some degree probably not a full on looker but we can generate that sense to some degree its usually on the weaker side compared to when it was the iron grip of our perception and thats fine you know that allows us to know that its that the hearing you know allows us to know that its most likely nonduality


text: youre in fundamental wellbeing which it seems like you are what that basically tells me is that there s this much depth that you can look into and youre looking here and describing here and you havent quite maybe developed the degree to describe what s deeper down under here you cant even like sense that everything is okay or peace or or whatever else down here


with with a taste of locations location force freedom id say definitely you know when i when i do exercises like digging into your values my number one value always comes up freedom freedom freedom freedom freedom freedom freedom and if i think of something well love you know yeah freedom is number one so for some reason my my my desire for freedom my appeal towards that value just seems to pull me in that direction life circumstance wise im not set up necessarily for that type of isolation although my system did go there for a while but so it seems like its i dont know jeffrey it seems like just something that pulls me in that direction that just i want to explore that sense of freedom and i got that opening through location four and i am curious and wonder whats whats beyond that because i mean that was that was pretty uh something that i had never imagined was possible so with that in mind i feel like im settling into like i think i know whats possible but do i really because before i thought i knew what was possible and then this freedom opened up so i dont know if that answers the question but theres a curiosity i know that the you know theres a saying in spanish i dont know if it translates in english but the i think it is yeah the curiosity killed the cat so i feel like i was almost killed im okay with being killed if theres this freedom to be experienced and tasted


text: empathic psychic stuff you say probably not related to fundamental wellbeing but who knows since i was a child i often knew what other people were feeling or thinking i assumed this is developed because it was needed to survive later as a pastor things like synchronicity and healing ministry played a big part right now i wonder what the relation is of these kinds of things to fundamental well being


well i guess its like at the same time i almost have a maybe the memories just coming in but like at the same time its like almost paradoxical its like its like within the smaller reality it is nondual and then at the same time i have the perception that that whole feeling is still dual because theres still a deeper sense of i guess nonduality there so its like appearing at the same time almost


of course it was location two because of the nonduality from reading the material and mostly about the interviews but then i was like hmm are i really sure like i wasnt sure because i suddenly read that location one and theres this experience of seeing like the visual field or the auditory field as one thing and like the matter whether i was looking at the screen or watching a movie and then i thought maybe its that maybe its not nondual then i was not sure but i just kept exploring and im pretty sure it is more on the nondual side


spaciousness


lead to a form of intolerance


aliveness


but if youre rooted more in layer one


well those qualities that youre describing are more qualities of layer three um youre describing you know a quality of a live aware beingness or presence that pervades everything everywhere um within everything so thats thats very much a layer three type description


christian


isolated there or kind of not really aware of layer one um and you you are still aware of layer one then it would show up


and just coming down to layer one in


meditators


able to go to sort of what would be considered by the world a potentially less functional spot or not


layer three of location two and still be very much personally in love with someone


though finders at this location remain socially adept


text: fundamental wellbeing


it sounds a little bit like you might in a way you sound like almost locked in to layer two


referred to in terms of the self


we do recommend that people go back and forth between 4 and 5 a lot to kind of build a bridge back so that they can have fluidity back to those earlier locations


like my head has become a porous thing like maybe she gets a little more concentrated or a little diffuses as it moves away but that yeah its not that like focused like youre working on automaton or a transformer or something


text: describing is that a certain sense of self is possible to experience and that that changes depending on where youre at in fundamental wellbeing


the people around an what made me come back a little bit it does not mean that i cannot go there anymore so it got basically it got easier to get there is only that as i said the last three weeks it has been very it s been a lot of things going on and it was just more beneficial maybe to be in location one


layer one is going to percolate you know to an active state in that situation


experience of awareness becoming aware of itself


location 4


between location three


layer three is nice but it doesnt beat netflix and cheetos


most people spend their entire lives pursuing various directions that they think are most likely to give them what they want the underlying motivation for all of this comes from the narrativeself and its stories when it diminishes or goes away their motivation structure dramatically changesup to that point a tremendous amount of wiring in their brain has


sensory glitches um


beauty


fullness


a finder in location 2 who learns about location 3 can pursue it and usually get there


emptiness or got quite emotional


because then that shift happened i realized that i had a lot less interest in my personal story and other stories and it was not like nondual it


celestial standpoint


feels very layer two ish which is you know even though mines thinking but i still have the feeling of whiteness and im not so zoomed out would be the best way um okay so that shows up without being under duress and then under duress go back into layer one and start fixing things


love and joy and compassion parts of layer three


location 2 finders experience a further reduction in their narrativeself related thoughts and in the emotional content of most of the ones that remain


um so so when we were just by the way when we refer to the godhead its usually used in the context of layer four of location three right its just a term that a lot of people seem to use to refer to that experience i think because you know theres such a prominent experience of the divine for those people who get a divine experience in location three that you know when they go beyond that to sort of layer four where beyond all distinction just like beyond the divine beyond god whatever you called the god


it but it was very vibrant it was very impactful you know it wasnt and it was very serene it was much more a sense of deep serenity


panpsychist sort of love


which may be useful as an access point in your during your day because you describe the stillness as pervading everything so and having a quality of sort of aliveness and that type of thing where youre describing the presence as well so thats all kind of heading in the direction of layer three


isolated there or kind of not really aware of layer one um and you you are still aware of layer one then it would show up


text: remain quite highly social in later locations because its just whats been habituated you know so most people had the socialization habituated from an individualized sense of self perspective then the individualized sense of self goes away and whats happened is theres wiring in their brain where theres key parts of the brain that basically get more active when the individualized sense of self is there and less active when the individualized sense of self isnt there is reduced or whatever else


location for you might have that repeat again with temporary glimpses of location 5 or 6


location 4 finders simply have no interest in investing significant amounts of time doing that


a location one standpoint


location 4


the sense of self is not present


where the spiritual adherent increasingly feels merged or unified with god


layer two that thats spaciousness of that distance


its very possible that youve had some glimpses of that so as you you know work with layer three and sinking in in that direction you might have memories come up like that


text: so you know my mom goes to work every day and does a great job shes in her 80s she never wants to stop working she like believes in what she does she works at shes a hospital administrator type and shes like every day i get to go to work and help people and you know make a difference in their lives why would i stop doing that kind of thing you know but shes obviously in a highly complex social environment where she thrives and so you know even though shes been in fundamental wellbeing her whole life she developed in that more you know socially welladjusted direction and so theres some sort of range in there between you know purely aesthetic and developing in an amazingly social and highly capable way


emptiness of layer two


when youre in layer one its mostly rooted in a higher layer whether its layer two or layer three or even layer four


as long as you retain the ability to zoom in and


emotion


and so for something like an aliveness that you feel in the room


aliveness


lots of love


what im thinking im thinking the aliveness of of the sensation that accompanies thinking into layer two


sometimes its emptiness


it was pretty noticeable when we jeffrey did the sinking into layer two meditation that was more like distinct than my usual state


but again that is if i choose to focus in that way and i dont have a sense of emptiness rather i would say when i you know when if i just feel its more of a sense of fullness that im experiencing and i feel like i experienced that in the world as well so not just in myself and but then when i relate to people for example that is still going to be you know im still going to default back into seeing us as two separate individuals right and you know very much in that way


layer two its more like i dont have that kind of feeling at all


seems like the looker is there looking out your eyes


location 4 lost


location four is not as intense


unconditional positive regard


you know its really sort of in a way using location two layer three in a very specific way


probably was yeah and then you know you can always of course remember that right um and so you know if if right now what feels like is happening is that union you know dissolving however we want to think about it kind of thing right um it doesnt mean that you cant remember the other thing


location two from a richard lang standpoint it sounds a lot to me like layer two it takes you to the spaciousness and all of that type of experience


sense of the divine


sometimes if im in or doing awareness it can be just empty the idea of a container doesnt really i can kind of manufacture the idea of a container but even the container has something outside of it um and its not like its not like distinct for me so i could be doing a guy and like have experiences of both a container and no container but its almost like the container isnt complete containing everything its like almost if you imagine the universe is in a container and theres endless something outside of that


the rest of their memory is usually fine


emptiness


his certainty was so strong that he actually entered into the jhana he was referring to so he could be interviewed in that state for comparisonnot long afterwards this teacher learned that one of his former students also a participant in the research had shifted into location 4


path of freedom


theres this awareness this aliveness which is the sort of bedrock of experience that isnt located


that works out really well if youre christian because obviously youre trying to get to location three ideally and get the whole union with the divine thing maxed out or even the godhead experience if you go beyond the union with the divine thing and and all of that


but just like waking up in the morning its its very much mind content mostly around you know work or planning not a lot of like rumination or fear based thoughts but still a lot of content and being fairly embedded in the content still not like prior to transitioning which is like a huge difference but


text: but even in your current experience when you have this centerless spacious thing come on and the perceiver dissolves you still have a boost for instance and wellbeing


text: there is still that but there is for me and in general i wont im not the best example because ive of course been way out in fundamental wellbeing

label_text: nfw


reports a significant reduction in or even complete absence of thoughts


im spaciousness spaciousness and sort of focus on that sensation


both empty and full


and should i try to sink into layer three


liveness beingness


sense of agency


you describe the location five visual effects very very typical experience of that the sensory glitches you describe in terms of passing out and having the arms get paralyzed


deconditioned neutral emotional relatively emotionally neutral or whatever kind of deeper layer one type experience


when youre in location two for instance you do believe it


no sense of a personal self


love a yes so its just that yeah i guess the word just has so many different connotations much more than what i have now i think it just kept trying to go more and then it kept being a little blocked so like i guess probably just the beginning stages of location three or just i dont know i dont like maybe it was really deep location two layer three i just dont know how like magical


path of freedom


i would say play to your strengths for the moment write what you have access to that is further than layer one location one


distant from layer one in terms of where your perception is centered


guess with the eyes closed there is there is a sensation of emptiness dont get it when my eyes are open


emotion


it feels like a battle between my mind and the fullness right now


nondual perception


these feel like facets of a single metaemotion


freedom


spaciousness and layer two


i guess i used to have more of that experience that i am this this whole thing and also a strong sense that i remember when i transitioned a strong sense that like there was space between my thoughts and i had that a lot in the beginning


unity


nothingness


even if internally the motivation isnt as strong as it was previously


cannot imagine ever being able to believe that there is such a thing as agency with what you were saying i imagine you feel the same way when youre in location four


theres spaciousness there theres emptiness there


the remaining vestiges of narrativeself related thought can be completely gone by this point along with any experience of emotion


text: very reaction based from the standpoint of being in fundamental wellbeing


sense of freedom


its there and then i feel a sense of fullness really


they theres such an immediacy of presence of in the moment ness that takes over in location for that you would not necessarily have the top end location


the layer three stuff seems a lot less accessible than the layer two triggers


and then and the sensory smoke you know just like somethings burning and theres nothing burning but im just smelling smoke so other than that i cant recall them


individualized sense of self had been dissolved


i would say pull down to layer one


it might be some way that your system kind of translates or resonates with layer three or sinking into layer three


text: they happen from within the context of fundamental wellbeing and not from and so that often makes people who are in fundamental wellbeing go one of two routes some of them will basically become more or less recluses while theyre growing up you know i mean they will not really socialize with other kids


more often youre getting to it in some sort of intentional way with practices and meditation and and whatever else


theres a quietness theres a vividness to the visual field things look more beautiful theres more appreciation was kind of a question that kind of had for you is it feels like for me beauty is a little bit of a gateway when i notice and im not talking about something that has to be you know prototypically beautiful but just like the pot sitting in the kitchen that suddenly look beautiful and


love


fullness


more alive


nondual


and so for that reason you might be interested in restoring some fluidity to layer two


compassion of location seven its just so touching and heartwarming


emptiness


silent peace have that those types of qualities


nondual perception


i still have a strong sense of a of a role to play in in the world in my in my marriage in the work that gina and i are now doing together you know im not im not ready to quote unquote retire you know and and just retreat from the world so thats thats probably the main concern and as i as i shared with you i think in an email you know some of the things you shared about the far locations you know from location three layer three they dont sound better it sounds like wait a minute im going to wake up tomorrow and im not going to have any love


tell me i could be wrong about this because ive been obviously reviewing a lot of data for these but i think i read something about an interest in location three


spaciousness


no agency no emotion no divine


everything being fully loved


spaciousness and the emptiness being accessible and then you know


and then when you realize your all of your attention is on layer one


sense of the nonduality


like any visual changes like we talked about about location five or any glitches and you know lose control of part of your body lately or pass out for a few moments


make that whole spacious thing show up in one way


so i have so so my experience of the world and internally is that i dont have that many emotions per se i have feelings and that kind of thing but usually i dont have any negative emotions that last longer than maybe a minute or two and if that happens its usually related to some deep kind of topic or trauma and i have an underlying sense of just feeling good all the time pretty much just a feeling of peace or that everything will be okay and of just appreciation and a sense of life and being alive and of myself um if you could say that the situation im in yet i also do have a lot of thought activity so um and that you know that that depends on on the period of time you know for example a year ago i wasnt working i was just traveling and you know things were kind of different internally now i have a job where im working 60 60 hour weeks managing operations for a whole country for a crypto exchange and im working on several screens and computers and a lot of processes and so that triggers a lot of a lot of thought activity and a lot of analysis and that kind of thing


i can kind of provide a kind of resource for this human being whos you know trying so hard all the time you know like crying all the time and and when i and when i im able to have that awareness then the intentions the devotion that sense of devotion that that all boom


text: it just sounds like its in the direction of fundamental well being type of stuff to me


when it comes to feelings or sensations ive never been good at recognizing how as a system was ever actually feeling so its a very neutral if theres a feeling to it its extremely neutral because ive looked to see whether you know love or those active more active alive kind of qualities to me this seems just very quiet


the main thing was a sense of a kind of strong gravitational pull


layer three


theres still a sense of fullness theres still a sense of okayness unless its a kind of extraordinary situation


because i feel like i should probably you know because i noticed the the other day when i was like oh i should this is not going to work i need to come out of this location for thing it was to location to layer three that i popped down to


sense in being in my head and it definitely it went away it went away during the headless way week or after


spaciousness


i went into work was very cheerful and effective at work that day


you may opt for a different technique like not necessarily sentence completion you could do that you could also just focus on the sense in the body like where the conditioning is some sort of sensation associated with it or just generally paying attention to your your inner experience um yeah and whatever way you you know once youve identified a piece of conditioning in the system you can just shift layers or locations and then see what experience of it remains um and that can be really helpful it can be very it can give a lot of sort of insight into what that conditioning is and what it produces in the system um like yeah can give you examples but it would be a maybe a long story but it can also show you its boundaries because at some point youre going to deepen beyond that conditioning so maybe by the time youre in location three


but at the same time it had some of these nondual qualities


so layer two is is expansiveness emptiness and um zooming out wide field of vision um less mind chatter you know i wont say no mind chatter chatter but what shows up is just kind of like clouds passing um and just i guess expansiveness is the word id use yeah yeah great yeah and really when im driving theres no demands your your present looking to the blue sky and the roads going by and youre just very present in letting it in


felt correct regardless of whether it seemed to


impersonal emotion


currently experiencing location two um and i feel like i jump around a lot


location two answer from sort of deep and layer four perspective has a sense of agency associated with it of some degree


you know its like its like pulling a piece of the foundation out of that whole habit system that learned to do something whether it was moving an arm or taste or whatever else its a bit like sort of pulling a pin out of the foundation and then everything kind of gets scrambled and it might have to be relearned now thats an extreme case theyre often very short you know people just glitch right through them and theyre like oh that was weird and things are fine now um so anything along those lines that you can remember


love


quality of an all pervading presence


self participants reported the absence of a


its aliveness


location 3


emptiness


you could be a dominant experience when your mind when youre when your system is just relaxing right it can just be zoomed out into its default location that might be like location two layer two


six seven youre not going to be able to even see your thoughts and


think with pure peace just the calmness there would be more spacious calm stillness


up through layer three and that location three experience which is where you get such ready access


usually described as a combination of other formerly separate positive emotions and feelings such as love joy compassion and gratitude


text: fundamental wellbeing would be would have high absorption


is the fullness located just in your body


really busy with the mind


text: pursued fundamental


spaciousness


sense of christ god andor the holy


divine


a sense of stillness is always deeper as you deepen in that direction


nonduality can be tested at a perceptual level like this in terms of how its showing up and because things are just appearing to you you know auditorily and visually you at some point have had a transition to location two


so i have so so my experience of the world and internally is that i dont have that many emotions per se i have feelings and that kind of thing but usually i dont have any negative emotions that last longer than maybe a minute or two and if that happens its usually related to some deep kind of topic or trauma and i have an underlying sense of just feeling good all the time pretty much just a feeling of peace or that everything will be okay and of just appreciation and a sense of life and being alive and of myself um if you could say that the situation im in yet i also do have a lot of thought activity so um and that you know that that depends on on the period of time you know for example a year ago i wasnt working i was just traveling and you know things were kind of different internally now i have a job where im working 60 60 hour weeks managing operations for a whole country for a crypto exchange and im working on several screens and computers and a lot of processes and so that triggers a lot of a lot of thought activity and a lot of analysis and that kind of thing


you know almost made me pee my pants when it first happened to me in india 25 years ago it was like it wasnt just there was this amazing fullness it was like i was i was sitting next to the ganges river late at night with this huge rapids right next to me and suddenly i was the rock that i was leaning on and then i was the rapids and then i was the entire ganges and then i was the entire planet and then it just kept going to way beyond what my mind could kind of keep up so that was the flavor of my of my initial awakening


whereas layer three can be a lot easier to live life from so if that experience was something you loved its cool


i think maybe skip straight straight to the sense of fullness


vastness and the spaciousness


the sense of perfection experienced in location 4 convinced the process happening within this finder that it did not matter where someone was in life or consciousness it seemed like everything truly was and could only be perfect and that this would be true regardless of whether she remained in location 4 or returned to an earlier location


and id say like the joy maybe not as much the compassion but really that it was like the joy kept coming out


its like things are appearing in it its like its like the water in the pool but without the the edges of the pool the waters just there


dual


it feels like its around and in everything like for example the easiest thing like with like when i close my eyes and and i look at that buzzing and tingling then every individual tingle theres awareness of it and the awareness is sort of in the experiencing but also sort of around it around everything at the same time in and around i dont know if thats pervading


is everything


and now youve got this very multidimensional highly fluid system thats operating from probably at least what you could think of at the moment as like layer five or deeper and able to access qualities of at least down to location three could be to where youre getting some access to agency some access to the impersonal love


spaciousness


location 1


its obviously also good for accessing layer four


fullness


divine


consciousness


text: fundamental wellbeing


then do the same thing with layer three you know sink into layer three as much as you can while you have that sort of worst case type imagination happening and all of the conditioning up around it and let layer three to work its magic just you know hold it hold it active in your mind as much as you can in your experience as much as you can in terms of whatever that worst case scenario type thing would be or variations of it or whatever


sense in being in my head and it definitely it went away it went away during the headless way week or after


so see what see if you can really deepen your access to layer to be able to shift their fluidly at least to a very you know complete experience of it if not to an identity shift and see what that does you know when when theres a trigger or something even if its a very subtle trigger just really sink into that layer two experience and see what that does


no sense of agency


agency


location 4


does this mean that location 4 and beyond were unknown within christianity this seems highly unlikely until very recently for christian authors what occurred in the transition to location 4 was probably difficult to share without dire personal consequences and possible retributions from church hierarchy


over to location three


location 1 finders experience a fundamental shift from the narrativecentered highly individualized self that is common among nonfinders to something that seems less personal larger and less isolated and separate


nonduality is sounds like description of nonduality where its all sort of one field of experience and youre a part of it


nothing like not much emotion going on


probably youre already doing all of that intuitively it would be my guess and then the other thing is there was you mentioned temporary glimpses when deeper of a shift of your identity into spaciousness


three that comes from personal emotions at layer three um


so thats thats all the qualities of location three there that fell away along with agency and any sense of self


spaciousness emptiness


and so you could potentially do a little biasing that way


fullness


if it was in layer two it would be you moving up to that boundary between layer two and layer three and starting to experience that which is totally possible


text: let the sort of deeper form of fundamental wellbeing sink into that you know as close as you can with that still arising


meditation or you know when i kind of settle into stillness not


little lower than it was a minute or two ago


theres a real sense of agency


probably layer two is going to be inaccessible


when it when its more intense its more like love


love joy emotion sort of side of things


the layer to i guess thats still presents just the more spacious presence


freedom


location 2 the boundaries between what feels like you and what feels like outside of you increasingly soften or disappear entirely


spaciousness


text: moments of prayer


and hows the stillness high or low


and and to that point so what i mentioned earlier with the teachers ive been working with and really working with one of my buddhist teachers thats the person i was referring to really made a huge difference and also my ability to access nonduality but a big emphasis there was feeling emotions


god takes the last step and thats relevant for layer four


text: fundamental wellbeing


so my like i guess the limitlessness of it like they extends far out into the cosmos and includes the stars and all the other planets and theres i feel connected with that too


you know work stuff you know whatever else dont have to be you dont have to just let the thing you know keep going in the direction of location four


cant have the look or see without without going into the mind


shift into layer three as a sense of what you are and into the fullness


i still feel like im very much a location in location one and it s just going to layer two


love arising for your wife


presence i


pure feeling of of of love


and then goes over to location two and layer two and so on and so forth from there


location 2


text: fundamental wellbeing


theres starting to be more space in that i


there there is like a distinct sense of self there when youre in it


and when those personal emotions drop away at location three if youre able to shift into location three


divine


would you say that a quality of aliveness


actually made up of that spaciousness


definitely a sense of spaciousness and stillness


and location four