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[stuff about Ron Gant incident deleted]
I agree that Hirschbeck was just doing what he was instructed to do
and also that Gant should have listened to him. However, what is with this
policy of trying to speed up the games. You are the first person
( non-mediot ) I have seen endorse this policy. I have no problem with the
length of games at all and am tired of the ESPN crowd ( and other announcers )
bitching about it. I have never been in a ballpark filled with people looking
at their watches and shouting "Hurry up!" If I cough up big bucks for a
ticket, I don't mind a game that last more than 2:10. I really don't
understand it.
Games are longer now for several reasons: more pitching changes,
more basestealing ( and throws to first ), etc...I think a very small factor
is the increased time it takes Jose Canseco/ Deion Sanders/ [insert fancy
showboat ballplayer here] to arrange their jewelry prior to stepping in the
batter's box. My impression is that sportcasters and writers have made this
an issue because they like shorter games - they get to head back to hotel
bar, eat steaks, get drunk, tell stupid jokes with their pals and chase
stewardesses around the bar. Sure they want the game over with. Print
journalists have a slightly more legitimate reason for wanting faster games:
they have deadlines. The ESPN guys on baseball tonight drive me crazy - they
constantly harp on this - primarily because they often have to work late
when the game goes longer than 2:30.
Maybe I am just a ne'er-do-well with nothing better to do, but I
would like to hear reasons why the longer games upset you.
As a parenthetical note, it seems the league is in any case fighting
a losing battle this year. The increased offense thus far will certainly
spoil any hopes of getting the games over with more quickly. | 0 |
3,034 |
Well, in my opinion the Canucks played a really strong game. I was
especially pleased by a very strong game from Linden - I think he
could be a key to success for them this year. Defensively, they
really had a strong game. Hardly heard Selanne's name all night.
Craven also played one of his best games since coming over. With a
few exceptions, they really didn't let the high-flying Jets do much
high-flying. I thought the Jets defence looked overmatched by the
Canucks forwards - they will have to improve on that if they want to
make this a series.
In short, it was a great start!
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5,953 |
Nice post Chuck, but you made just one mistake. Bones is a right-handed
pitcher. However, Hrbek's grand slam came off Graehme Lloyd, a lefty. | 0 |
6,704 |
Ugliest stance of all time has to go to Oscar Gamble. The man would
practically kneel in front of home plate in order to have a small strike
zone! (He's just lucky that strike zone size isn't determined by how big
your afro is:) | 0 |
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6,204 | You want to speed up ballgames?
1. Enforce the two minutes between innings. As it is, many fields are
allowing THREE minutes between them. Fifteen seconds before
TV commercials are gone to, Thirty or so before action begins upon
the return to the game. Two minutes, last out to first pitch, or
a ball is called.
2. Don't grant time to batters just because they want it. They may get
pissed at first, but they'll get in line, once anything the pitcher
throws while they're adjusting their wristbands is a strike.
3. Mandate a rule permitting only N seconds between pitches (the current
rule is too lenient), and then enforce it. Fifteen seconds is more
than enough time. If the pitch isn't released in 15, call it a ball,
and restart the clock.
Baseball games take about 2:51 in the NL, and just a shade under 3 hours
in the AL. That's just too damn long. I don't like to PLAY in 3 hour
games, much less WATCH a game for that long. My butt falls asleep, and
if I'm watching on TV, I'll channel surf between pitches, catching
colorized versions of Mr. Ed, Leave it to Beaver, and "Those Wacky
Nieporents" on Nick at Nite.
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7,257 |
They lowered the mound first (before the 69 season). The shrinkage of
the strike zone didn't start until the mid-70s. | 0 |
6,041 | Here's one from the mill. The Oilers MIGHT move to Hamilton
where Porklington can get a free deal.
Given what Labour relations and Puck has been like, it WOULD be a sigh of relief.
This WAY w4e can can BOTH elements!! | 0 |
6,488 |
Sounds like Darryl being Darryl, Tommy spending too much time on
Slim Fast and needs a pasta fix, and the media being their usual
"charming" selves. Sounds like a New York-like story to me!! :-)
I saw the replay and am wondering what the big deal is? I didn't
realize the folks in LA were making a big to do about it. I think
Stawberry, Lasorda and the various media types should sit and watch
the replay then apologize to the fan.
Darryl has not gotten off to a good start, he has to blame someone.
As long as the fan doesn't interfere with the play I see no problems. | 0 |
1,401 | Could someone out there send me Pecota's stats for the last few years, or
something to give me some sort of "feel" for what kind of player he is?
My mind has no handle on him at all, it bothers me. Pecota of the Braves,
that is. Pretty meaningful that I can't even come up with his first name,
I think.. | 0 |
2,981 | [some deletions]
Well, we agree on the last part.:-) One of the basic things you need to
have in a statistic to be able to predict a player's performance on it
in the future is for there to be a correlation from year to year. A
player's batting average is correlated fairly well from year to year.
A player's ability to walk or infielder's Defensive Average are correlated
better. That is to say, given their past performance in those statistics
we can have a pretty good handle on how they'll do next year. Put in
some simple information about aging and you can do even better. One of
the basic problems with something like "clutch" batting average - overall
batting average is that the correlation from year to year is almost zero.
Adding to the sample size doesn't seem to help much. As a counterexample to
what you showed, consider the following two players from 1984-1987:
Non-Clutch Clutch
AB H BA AB H BA
Maldonado 1060 260 .245 254 78 .307
Lemon 1643 457 .278 256 57 .223
If you had had these two players in 1988, by your logic, in those "clutch"
situations, you'd bat Maldonado for Lemon in a blink of an eye. Well, in
1988, Maldonado hit .267 in "non-clutch" and .190 in "clutch", while Lemon
hit .254 in "non-clutch" and .313 in "clutch". Before you accuse me of
completely cooking the data, there were 96 players who had 25+ "clutch"
at bats every year from 1984-1988 (according to Elias). As a simple
measure of clutchness, let's just look at clutch BA-non-clutch BA. If you use
'84-'87 to predict '88 for those 96 players, you'd find that 27 of the
96 were below league average in that measure both in '84-87 and in '88,
26 were above league average in both periods and the other 43 were
above in one and below in the other. If you were just flipping coins,
you'd expect to get 24 above/below in both and 48 that switched. The
difference between the observed results and the coin flip experiment
is not statisically significant.
BTW, correlating players' _overall_ batting average from '84-'87 with
'88 gives a correlation coefficient of 0.59, which is significant at
something better than the 99.9% confidence level. Correlating their
(clutch-non-clutch BA) for the same period gives a correlation of
0.088, significant at no level of any interest.
Actually, it's technically incorrect to say that we can't predict future
clutch performance. It's more correct to say that we can't predict
future clutch performance with any skill.
Harold | 0 |
3,114 | Pitchers are required to pitch (or feint or attempt a pick-off)
within 20 seconds after receiving the ball, not 15.
Pitchers are required to pitch their warm-up throws within a
one minute time frame, beginning after each half inning ends,
not two minutes.
And the reason why a reliever should be allowed warm-ups is
simple: Different mound, different catcher.
Ryan Robbins
Penobscot Hall
University of Maine | 0 |
970 | Can anyone out there tell me why they call left-handed pitchers
"Southpaw"?
Also the story on how the term originated.
Thanks!!
Go Cubs! | 0 |
7,355 |
AND the first team in the majors to win 10 games! Yes! It'll never last, but
God it's good while it's here!
Well, there's a holiday in Massachusetts called Patriots' Day. Three things
happen on Patriots' Day: almost all businesses are closed, the Sox play a
morning game, and they run the Boston Marathon.
Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com | 0 |
7,258 |
This is a fine strategy if you expect to run away with the division.
But the Giants are going to need every break they can get, if they
want too hold that lead. I don't think they can afford to be
lackadaisical, and say "well it has worked pretty well so far, and
while we might be able to improve the results, we don't think it is
worth the risk".
The two tend to go hand in hand... | 0 |
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144 | Well, we're almost halfway through the first round, and so far things are
good in general:
1. The 2 teams that I hate most: Chicago and "Basten" are down 3 zip.
(even though there is a possibility either can still win their
series, yet this ego-thrashing and arrogance-smashing by the
underdogs (St. Louis and Buffalo) is so rewarding).
2. Montreal is at this stage in a team's life where they are not good
enough to go all the way, yet too good to be able to get some
(really) good draft picks... :-(
3. Is it just me, or does anyone out there also think that this year
the cup final should be played between 2 teams from the WALES?
4. Is it just because they're playing Montreal that I find the diques
arrogant ***'s, or are they really?
5. Smythe-what???? I'm really getting sick of seeing Douggie and Wendel
night in and night out... We should see some Canucks/Jets/Flames
action...!
6. Don Cherry is an ******* alright, but hey... so are our politicians...
ObLeafsJoke: Q. what do you get when you cross a maple leaf and a
groundhog?
A. Six more weeks of crummy hockey!
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L8R, dudes...
GO HABS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Jon Shaib ac291@carleton.freenet.ca | 0 |
5,257 | NPR this morning had an interview with Linda McCarthy (name possibly
garbled by me), an official historian for the CIA. She has won an Emmy
for research on Moe Berg for a TV documentary (which I know from nothing
but which sounds good). She said that among other things, Berg was the
principal spy for the OSS (CIA's WWII precursor) spying on Axis atomic
programs, because of his physics background and language skills. She said
that during the war he met with Heisenberg in Switzerland, and had
instructions to shoot Heisenberg if the Germans were close to us in bomb
research (he concluded they were two years behind, and didn't shoot him).
(I have heard elsewhere that Heisenberg deliberately misled the Nazi bomb
program, but I don't know how reliable this is.) Unfortunately, NPR didn't
mention any kind of a book she's writing -- I'd certainly buy it.
(In case you're wondering about baseball relevance, Berg was a longtime
MLB backup catcher. He was a member of an MLB All-Star team that toured
Japan in 1934, presumably not because of his baseball prowess but because
he was one of the few Americans, much less MLB players, who spoke Japanese.
Photos he took of Tokyo on that trip were later used to plan bombing raids,
according to McCarthy.) | 0 |
1,495 | discussing the fact that there were only 16 players who had ever hit 200
homeruns and stolen 200 bases in their career (while HoJo was batting).
Anyone have a list? Not as easy as it sounds to come up with all of them.
I couldn't. Mays, Mantle, Aaron, Henderson, Morgan, Bonds (Dad), ???
Frank Robinson? Molitor? Yount? Guessing now. I'd be interested to see
the whole list. | 0 |
6,654 |
First of all I think when ESPN covers the game they do a wonderful job, but
last night I felt the same way. I really hate watching Devils/Pens game.
Everyone knows that Devils are going to get their ass kicked, why even
bother showing them. I was so bored and these ESPN people don't seem to have
any brain. After the Sundays and last night games, they are still going to
show Devils/Pens on THU and SUN. WHat the hell are they thinking about? I
think if they keep it up like this NHL will never get a major network contract.
I'd rather see Caps/Isls game which is more exciting.
Now I just hope all baseball games are rained out on ESPN so atleast
we can get diffrent hockey games.
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5,866 | Babe Ruth's lifetime pitching stats (selected):
94-46, .671. 2.28 ERA. 163 G, 107 CG, 17 SHO, 10.6 RAT.
Best year: 1916, Bos: 23-12, 1.75 ERA (led league) or
1917, Bos: 24-13, 2.01 ERA | 0 |
4,810 |
I didn't mean that it would necessarily help him improve at that
specific deficiency. I meant that if having Bonds bat behind him
gives Williams (possibly unfounded) confidence, that might translate
into more hitting productivity. But you're right -- if Williams'
biggest problem is more physical than mental, that's less likely
to make a difference. | 0 |
3,102 | 1993 World Championships in Germany:
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Group A standings (Munich) Group B standings (Dortmund)
-------------------------- ----------------------------
GP W T L GF-GA +/- P GP W T L GF-GA +/- P
Canada 5 5 0 0 31- 4 +27 10 Czech republic 5 4 1 0 17- 4 +13 9
Sweden 5 3 0 2 17-14 +3 6 Germany 5 4 0 1 20-12 +8 8
Russia 5 2 1 2 15-12 +3 5 USA 5 2 2 1 14-10 +4 6
Switzerland 5 2 0 3 11-14 -3 4 Finland 5 2 1 2 7- 7 0 5
---------------------------------- -------------------------------------
Italy 4 1 1 2 7-19 -12 3 Norway 4 0 0 4 1-13 -12 0
Austria 4 0 0 4 3-21 -18 0 France 4 0 0 4 6-19 -13 0
April 18: Italy - Russia 2-2 Norway - Germany 0-6
Sweden - Austria 1-0 USA - Czech republic 1-1
April 19: Canada - Switzerland 2-0
Russia - Austria 4-2 Finland - France 2-0
April 20: Sweden - Canada 1-4 Czech republic - Germany 5-0
Switzerland - Italy 0-1 Finland - USA 1-1
April 21: Germany - France 5-3
Italy - Sweden 2-6 Czech republic - Norway 2-0
April 22: Switzerland - Russia 0-6 USA - France 6-1
Austria - Canada 0-11 Norway - Finland 0-2
April 23: Switzerland - Austria 5-1 Germany - Finland 3-1
April 24: Russia - Sweden 2-5 Czech republic - France 6-2
Canada - Italy 11-2 USA - Norway 3-1
April 25: Sweden - Switzerland 4-6 Finland- Czech republic 1-3
Russia - Canada 1-3 Germany - USA 6-3
April 26: Austria - Italy France - Norway 20:00
PLAYOFFS:
=========
April 27: Quarterfinals
Sweden - USA 15:30
Russia - Germany 20:00
April 28: Quarterfinals
Canada - Finland 15:30
Italy/Switzerland - Czech republic 20:00
April 29: Relegation
A #5 - B #6 15:30
A #6 - B #5 20:00
April 30: Semifinals
A #1/B #4 - A #3/B #2 15:30
A #4/B #1 - A #2/B #3 20:00
May 1: Relegation 14:30
Bronze medal game 19:00
May 2: FINAL 15:00
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2,352 |
Pierre Turgeon of NYI, and Paul Coffey of Detorit are both #77.
Hope this help. | 0 |
1,321 | During the first three games of the Pens-Devils series, I have been
impressed time and time again by the pure talent of the Pens. Jagr,
MacEachern and Barrasso have been especially fun to watch. But, one
element of this team which goes unnoticed seems to be Scotty Bowman.
Despite Brooks' lunatic comments, and despite the Devils' line changing
adantage in last night's game, Bowman has been able to keep his cool and
keep the Devils in the dark. Granted, the hell-dwellers had the Pens
bottled up for a while last night, but Bowman was eventually able to
configure his line-up to get the job done. His ability to throw out new
looks and strategies at a moments notice is incredible.
Bowman seems to have a terrific ability of reading his players on an
individual basis. Last night, for instance, he realized that the speed
of Jagr, Straka, and MacEachern was throwing the Devils off balance. As
a result, Straka received many more shifts than average; Jagr played
almost the entire game (he was always on the puck), and MacEachern
scored a goal, while complementing Jagr many times throughout the night.
His ability to commit to one player in crucial situations is
commendable, especially when a coach of such a talented team might
simply rely on the overall talent to dominate, and to bring about
success. | 0 |
1,060 | MLB Standings and Scores for Friday, April 23rd, 1993
(including yesterday's games)
NATIONAL WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road
San Francisco Giants 10 06 .625 -- 7-3 Won 1 05-02 05-04
Houston Astros 08 06 .571 1.0 7-3 Won 1 02-04 06-02
Atlanta Braves 09 08 .529 1.5 4-6 Lost 1 04-03 05-05
San Diego Padres 06 08 .429 3.0 5-5 Won 1 03-04 03-04
Los Angeles Dodgers 06 10 .375 4.0 3-7 Lost 3 03-03 03-07
Colorado Rockies 05 09 .357 4.0 3-7 Lost 1 03-03 02-06
Cincinnati Reds 05 10 .333 4.5 4-6 Lost 1 02-04 03-06
NATIONAL EAST
Philadelphia Phillies 10 04 .714 -- 7-3 Lost 1 06-02 04-02
Montreal Expos 09 06 .600 1.5 7-3 Won 4 06-03 03-03
St. Louis Cardinals 09 06 .600 1.5 6-4 Won 1 06-03 03-03
Pittsburgh Pirates 08 07 .533 2.5 5-5 Won 1 04-04 04-03
Chicago Cubs 07 07 .500 3.0 5-5 Lost 1 04-04 03-03
New York Mets 07 07 .500 3.0 5-5 Lost 1 03-05 04-02
Florida Marlins 05 10 .333 5.5 3-7 Won 1 03-06 02-04
AMERICAN WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road
California Angels 09 04 .692 -- 7-3 Won 3 06-02 03-02
Texas Rangers 08 05 .615 1.0 5-5 Lost 2 04-02 04-03
Minnesota Twins 08 06 .571 1.5 6-4 Won 1 05-04 03-02
Chicago White Sox 07 07 .500 2.5 5-5 Won 2 02-03 05-04
Seattle Mariners 07 08 .467 3.0 4-6 Won 2 05-03 02-05
Oakland Athletics 05 08 .385 4.0 3-7 Lost 2 05-04 00-04
Kansas City Royals 05 10 .333 5.0 5-5 Lost 1 03-06 02-04
AMERICAN EAST
Boston Red Sox 11 05 .688 -- 7-3 Lost 2 06-01 05-04
Detroit Tigers 09 05 .643 1.0 8-2 Won 2 07-01 02-04
New York Yankees 08 07 .533 2.5 5-5 Won 2 03-03 05-04
Toronto Blue Jays 08 07 .533 2.5 5-5 Won 1 04-02 04-05
Milwaukee Brewers 05 07 .417 4.0 4-6 Lost 1 02-02 03-05
Cleveland Indians 05 11 .313 6.0 2-8 Lost 4 04-03 01-08
Baltimore Orioles 04 09 .308 5.5 4-6 Lost 2 02-05 02-04
YESTERDAY'S SCORES
(IDLE teams listed in alphabetical order)
NATIONAL LEAGUE AMERICAN LEAGUE
San Diego Padres 2 Boston Red Sox 0
Philadelphia Phillies 1 Seattle Mariners 7
Los Angeles Dodgers 1 Chicago White Sox 3
Montreal Expos 3 Baltimore Orioles 2
Cincinnati Reds 4 Milwaukee Brewers 4
Pittsburgh Pirates 5 Minnesota Twins 5
Atlanta Braves 3 Toronto Blue Jays 6
Florida Marlins 4 Kansas City Royals 3
Colorado Rockies 2 Cleveland Indians 0
St. Louis Cardinals 5 California Angels 8
San Francisco Giants 13 New York Yankees 5
New York Mets 4 Oakland Athletics 1
Chicago Cubs IDLE Detroit Tigers IDLE
Houston Astros IDLE Texas Rangers IDLE
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Well that's really great Pat. I guess since you've played a little you thereby
qualify as an expert. Especially since you watch all the games on t.v. All
that qualifies you as is a armchair quarterback or a coach potato
Pat Walker | 0 |
1,780 |
I dont know about the story but it comes from the fact that in most stadiums, the batter faces northeast and so when
a pitcher is on the mound, his left arm is to the south, hence the term. | 0 |
5,130 | Oh really? I seem to remember this year's woofers consisting mainly of
yourself and Roger. Boston fans were relatively quiet.
I guess the concept of a fan who is not cocky is something you couldn't
possible understand, eh?
Nah. I doubt you really would. You're just being a PROVOCATIVE SOB
as usual with a large stick up your but. Of course, I mean that in the
nicest way. :-)
And just how much bragging did YOU do, "wobbie," on r.s.b.c after
UMASS!!! beat your Quakers?
BTW. Congratulations should go to the Sabres. They are playing more
diciplined, and with more will to win. They deserve it. | 0 |
1,226 | Let's not forget Al Michaels, of "Do you believe in miracles?" fame. | 0 |
3,915 | Hi- Does anybody know the # for ticket info for Fenway?
Thanks | 0 |
6,413 |
I'm a little worried about this pitching thing. 6.08 is scarry even for
the first 16 games of the season. Mesa (sp?) seems to be settling down.
He pitched well against the Red Soxs, but The Rocket matched him. I got a
chance to watch them play against California Wednesday and he pitched well
also. Then the dam broke. Wickander came in and promptly it was 6-1. (3
run homer by Snow?).
I heard the guys on ESPN say that 7 of the TRIBE's top 10 prospects are
pitchers. Anyone out there like to post who these guys are and where they
are?
The TRIBE is on ESPN again tonight against Oakland. | 0 |
1,838 | Here are the NHL's alltime leaders in goals and points at the end of
the 1992-3 season. Again, much thanks to Joseph Achkar.
Carl
Notes: An active player is a player that has scored at least one
point the past season. The points leaders follow the goal leaders.
If you find any mistakes, please send me email.
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All time NHL leading goal scorers (* denotes active player):
1. Gordie Howe Det-Hfd 801
2. *Wayne Gretzky Edm-LA 765
3. Marcel Dionne Det-LA-NYR 731
4. Phil Esposito Chi-Bos-NYR 717
5. Bobby Hull Chi-Wpg-Hfd 610
6. *Mike Gartner Wsh-Min-NYR 583
7. Mike Bossy NYI 573
8. Guy Lafleur Mtl-NYR-Que 560
9. Johnny Bucyk Det-Bos 556
10. Maurice Richard Mtl 544
11. Stan Mikita Chi 541
12. Frank Mahovlich Tor-Det-Mtl 533
13. *Michel Goulet Que-Chi 532
14. *Jari Kurri Edm-LA 524
15. Bryan Trottier NYI-Pit 520
16. Gilbert Perreault Buf 512
17. Jean Beliveau Mtl 507
18. Lanny McDonald Tor-Col-Cgy 500
19. Jean Ratelle NYR-Bos 491
20. Norm Ullman Det-Tor 490
21. *Dino Ciccarelli Min-Wsh-Det 485
22. Darryl Sittler Tor-Phi-Det 484
23. *Mario Lemieux Pit 477
24. *Glenn Anderson Edm-Tor 459
25. Alex Delvecchio Det 456
26. *Mark Messier Edm-NYR 452
27. *Dale Hawerchuk Wpg-Buf 449
28. Rick Middleton NYR-Bos 448
29. *Steve Yzerman Det 445
30. *Peter Stastny Que-NJ 444
31. Rick Vaive Van-Tor-Chi-Buf 441
32. *Joe Mullen StL-Cgy-Pit 433
33. Yvan Cournoyer Mtl 428
34. *Dave Taylor LA 427
35. Steve Shutt Mtl-LA 424
36. *Denis Savard Chi-Mtl 423
37. Bill Barber Phi 420
38. *Brian Propp Phi-Bos-Min 413
39. Gary Unger Tor-Det-StL-Atl-LA-Edm 413
40. Rod Gilbert NYR 406
41. *Steve Larmer Chi 406
42. *John Ogrodnick Det-Que-NYR 402
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Other active players:
*Bernie Nicholls LA-NYR-Edm-NJ 397
*Pat LaFontaine NYI-Buf 386
*Brian Bellows Min-Mtl 382
*Dave Andreychuk Buf-Tor 373
*Tim Kerr Phi-NYR-Hfd 370
*Bobby Smith Min-Mtl 357
*Brett Hull Cgy-StL 356
*Luc Robitaille LA 353
*Mike Foligno Det-Buf-Tor 351
*Dave Christian Wpg-Wsh-Bos-StL-Chi 340
*Paul Coffey Edm-Pit-LA-Det 330
*Brent Sutter NYI-Chi 325
*Pat Verbeek NJ-Hfd 318
*Ron Francis Hfd-Pit 311
*Cam Neely Van-Bos 292
*Ray Bourque Bos 291
*Bob Carpenter Wsh-NYR-LA-Bos-Tor 285
*Brent Ashton Van-Col-NJ-Min-Que-Det-Wpg-Bos-Cgy 284
*Doug Gilmour Stl-Cgy-Tor 277
*Rick Tocchet Phi-Pit 277
*Kevin Dineen Hfd-Phi 275
*Tomas Sandstrom NYR-LA 273
*Dale Hunter Que-Wsh 269
*Ryan Walter Wsh-Mtl-Van 264
*Brian Mullen Wpg-NYR-SJ-NYI 260
*Ed Olczyk Chi-Tor-Wpg-NYR 260
*Kirk Muller NJ-Mtl 258
*Joe Nieuwendyk Cgy 257
*Jimmy Carson LA-Edm-Det 254
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All time NHL scoring leaders (* denotes active player):
1. *Wayne Gretzky Edm-LA 765 1563 2328
2. Gordie Howe Det-Hfd 801 1049 1850
3. Marcel Dionne Det-LA-NYR 731 1040 1771
4. Phil Esposito Chi-Bos-NYR 717 873 1590
5. Stan Mikita Chi 541 926 1467
6. Bryan Trottier NYI-Pit 520 890 1410
7. Johnny Bucyk Det-Bos 556 813 1369
8. Guy Lafleur Mtl-NYR-Que 560 793 1353
9. Gilbert Perreault Buf 512 814 1326
10. Alex Delvecchio Det 456 825 1281
11. Jean Ratelle NYR-Bos 491 776 1267
12. *Mark Messier Edm-NYR 452 780 1232
13. Norm Ullman Det-Tor 490 739 1229
14. *Peter Stastny Que-NJ 444 777 1221
15. Jean Beliveau Mtl 507 712 1219
16. *Dale Hawerchuk Wpg-Buf 449 763 1212
17. Bobby Clarke Phi 358 852 1210
18. *Paul Coffey Edm-Pit-LA-Det 330 871 1201
19. *Denis Savard Chi-Mtl 423 769 1192
20. *Jari Kurri Edm-LA 524 666 1190
21. *Mario Lemieux Pit 477 697 1174
22. Bobby Hull Chi-Wpg-Hfd 610 560 1170
23. Bernie Federko StL 369 761 1130
24. Mike Bossy NYI 573 553 1126
25. *Michel Goulet Que-Chi 532 590 1122
26. Darryl Sittler Tor-Phi-Det 484 637 1121
27. *Mike Gartner Wsh-Min-NYR 583 524 1107
28. Frank Mahovlich Tor-Det-Mtl 533 570 1103
29. *Ray Bourque Bos 291 806 1099
30. *Dave Taylor LA 427 635 1062
31. Denis Potvin NYI 310 742 1052
32. Henri Richard Mtl 358 688 1046
33. *Steve Yzerman Det 445 595 1040
34. *Bobby Smith Min-Mtl 357 679 1036
35. Rod Gilbert NYR 406 615 1021
36. *Glenn Anderson Edm-Tor 459 559 1018
37. Lanny McDonald Tor-Col-Cgy 500 506 1006
38. Rick Middleton NYR-Bos 448 540 988
39. Dave Keon Tor-Hfd 396 590 986
40. *Ron Francis Hfd-Pit 311 675 986
41. *Bernie Nicholls LA-NYR-Edm-NJ 397 580 977
42. *Brian Propp Phi-Bos-Min 413 561 974
43. Andy Bathgate NYR-Tor-Det-Pit 349 624 973
44. Maurice Richard Mtl 544 421 965
45. Larry Robinson Mtl-LA 208 750 958
46. *Dino Ciccarelli Min-Wsh-Det 485 472 957
47. *Steve Larmer Chi 406 517 923
48. *Joe Mullen StL-Cgy-Pit 433 486 919
49. Bobby Orr Bos-Chi 270 645 915
50. Brad Park NYR-Bos-Det 213 683 896
51. Butch Goring LA-NYI-Bos 375 513 888
52. Bill Barber Phi 420 463 883
53. Dennis Maruk Cal-Cle-Wsh-Min 356 521 877
54. Ivan Boldirev Bos-Cal-Chi-Atl-Van-Det 361 505 866
55. Yvan Cournoyer Mtl 428 435 863
56. Dean Prentice NYR-Bos-Det-Pit-Min 391 469 860
57. Ted Lindsay Det-Chi 379 472 851
58. Tom Lysiak Atl-Chi 292 551 843
59. *Dale Hunter Que-Wsh 269 570 839
60. John Tonelli NYI-Cgy-LA-Chi-Que 325 511 836
61. Jacques Lemaire Mtl 366 469 835
62. *Larry Murphy LA-Wsh-Min-Pit 203 631 834
63. *John Ogrodnick Det-Que-NYR 402 425 827
64. *Doug Wilson Chi-SJ 237 590 827
65. *Doug Gilmour Stl-Cgy-Tor 277 548 825
66. Red Kelly Det-Tor 281 542 823
67. Pierre Larouche Pit-Mtl-Hfd-NYR 395 427 822
68. Bernie Geoffrion Mtl-NYR 393 429 822
69. Steve Shutt Mtl-LA 424 393 817
70. *Phil Housley Buf-Wpg 242 575 817
71. Wilf Paiment KC-Col-Tor-Que-NYR-Buf-Pit 356 458 814
72. Peter McNab Buf-Bos-Van-NJ 363 450 813
73. *Brian Bellows Min-Mtl 382 428 810
74. *Dave Andreychuk Buf-Tor 373 436 809
75. Pit Martin Det-Bos-Chi-Van 324 485 809
76. *Pat LaFontaine NYI-Buf 386 421 807
77. Ken Linesman Phi-Edm-Bos 256 551 807
78. Gary Unger Tor-Det-StL-Atl-LA-Edm 413 391 804
79. Ken Hodge,Sr Chi-Bos-NYR 328 472 800
80. *Neal Broten Min 249 547 796
81. Wayne Cashman Bos 277 516 793
82. Rick Vaive Van-Tor-Chi-Buf 441 347 788
83. Borje Salming Tor-Det 150 637 787
84. Jean Pronovost Pit-Atl-Wsh 391 383 774
85. Peter Mahovlich Det-Mtl-Pit 288 485 773
86. *Dave Christian Wpg-Wsh-Bos-StL-Chi 340 430 770
87. Rick Kehoe Tor-Pit 371 396 767
88. Rick MacLeish Phi-Hfd-Pit-Det 349 410 759
89. *Thomas Steen Wpg 240 511 751
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Other active players:
*Al MacInnis Cgy 185 555 740
*Luc Robitaille LA 353 371 724
*Mike Foligno Det-Buf-Tor 351 367 718
*Brent Sutter NYI-Chi 325 389 714
*Mark Howe Hfd-Phi-Det 192 520 712
*Kirk Muller NJ-Mtl 258 433 691
*Tim Kerr Phi-NYR-Hfd 370 304 674
*Adam Oates Det-StL-Bos 167 490 657
*Randy Carlyle Tor-Pit-Wpg 148 499 647
*Ryan Walter Wsh-Mtl-Van 264 382 646
*Pat Verbeek NJ-Hfd 318 313 631
*Brent Ashton Van-Col-NJ-Min-Que-Det-Wpg-Bos-Cgy 284 345 629
*Bob Carpenter Wsh-NYR-LA-Bos-Tor 285 337 622
*Brian Mullen Wpg-NYR-SJ-NYI 260 362 622
*Ed Olczyk Chi-Tor-Wpg-NYR 260 358 618
*Kelly Kisio Det-NYR-SJ 215 402 617
*Brett Hull Cgy-StL 356 247 603
*Rick Tocchet Phi-Pit 277 324 601
*Dan Quinn Cgy-Pit-Van-StL-Phi-Min 232 367 599
*Scott Stevens Wsh-StL-NJ 132 462 594
*Tomas Sandstrom NYR-LA 273 320 593
*Tom Fergus Bos-Tor-Van 235 346 581
*Dave Babych Wpg-Hfd-Van 120 460 580
*Mike Ridley NYR-Wsh 230 348 578
*Laurie Boschman Tor-Edm-Wpg-NJ-Ott 225 350 575
*Keith Acton Mtl-Min-Edm-Phi 224 350 574
*Murray Craven Det-Phi-Hfd 205 365 570
*Kevin Dineen Hfd-Phi 275 290 565
*Rob Ramage Col-StL-Cgy-Tor-Min-TB 139 423 562
*Mike Krushelnyski Bos-Edm-LA-Tor 234 319 553
*Gary Suter Cgy 124 428 552
*Pierre Turgeon Buf-NYI 218 324 542
*Troy Murray Chi-Wpg 217 324 541
*Cam Neely Van-Bos 292 241 533
*Geoff Courtnall Bos-Edm-Wsh-StL-Van 246 274 520
*Vincent Damphousse Tor-Edm-Mtl 195 320 515
*Jimmy Carson LA-Edm-Det 254 259 513
*Peter Zezel Phi-StL-Wsh-Tor 182 328 510
*Guy Carbonneau Mtl 207 302 509
*Mark Osborne Det-NYR-Tor-Wpg 202 301 503
*Chris Chelios Mtl-Chi 108 394 502
*Dave Poulin Phi-Bos 195 301 496
*Ray Ferraro Hfd-NYI 230 263 493
*Russ Courtnall Tor-Mtl-Min 208 284 492
*Joe Nieuwendyk Cgy 257 234 491
*John MacLean NJ 241 248 489 | 0 |
106 |
Listen guys you can talk about this the whole playoffs. I'm here in a
small town in southern Illinois at school. I'm from Canada and I know
that cbc and tsn have games on every night, all you have to do is go to
a bar with a satellite. I have watched both games between Mon Que and
toronto and detroit, not to mention Van vs Winn and with cbc. They
show all goals from every game that evening so I haven't missed a goal
all playoffs. Well have to go boy leafs are on Ciao. | 0 |
997 |
Attendance in 1992 was down. By .3%. From an all-time record in 1991.
In people terms, attendance was down by 310,000 from 1991 to 1992. Two
franchises, the Dodgers and Mets, were down by 1,100,000 from 1991 to 1992.
Had either of them not been entirely awful, MLB would have set another
attendance record in 1992.
Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com | 0 |
1,760 | Buffalo is up 2-0 is the series with Boston, and the reason....Grant Fuhr ?
Fuhr is playoff hungry, and he's proving once again why they call him
money goaltender. Fuhr might not be one of the best goaltenders in the
league anymore (Statistically at least), but he's proving that he can
make the big save at the right time.
The Leafs should have kept Fuhr, and probably would have had a chance
against powerhouse Detroit. But again.......where was Andreychoke in game 1 ?
I can see the huge smile on Gerald's face after Fuhr's performance. | 0 |
7,199 |
Not to Sutter bash or anything since I idolized them as players....
you sure would think the Sutters would learn something about burning out their
teams in the regular season.....just too much intensity during the regular
season. I earlier posted a note about Brian and got to thinking after I read
this item.....gee both Sutters won their divisions and now both have lost
home ice advantage and are getting smoked in their opening series in the
playoffs. Kind of makes you wonder.......
Bottom line....man it is great to be smoking the WartHawks!!!!!
Agreed Jim.....this has been damn sweet, so far. About the only thing
that comes close to this is shutting up all the Maple Laugh fans....Detroit
has completely kicked their asses so far. But, I will stick with the
Blues for providing the best playoff tonic so far. | 0 |
6,774 |
Cool. And thank you for an intelligent response devoid of the silly
name-calling of others. :)
One of the basic things you need to
OK.
Actually, I think the large-scale sample size is part of the problem.
It seems to me that if we were to plot all the players in baseball
in regard to BA vs. Clutch BA deviation we would get some kind of
bell curve. (The X-axis being the +/- deviation in clutch hitting
vs. non-clutch; the Y-axis being the number of players.) Certainly
there would be *some* players on the extreme ends of the bell. My
*supposition* is that if we were to find the SAME players consistently
(year after year) at one end of the bell or the other, then we might
be able to make some reasonable conclusions about *those* players
(as opposed to all baseball players).
As a counterexample to
You won't hear those kind of accusations from me. It is interesting
that you selected Maldonado, because he is someone whom I have also
looked at. He has been a very inconsistent hitter (in terms of BA),
hitting in 1989 - 92 .217, .273, .250, .272 Admittedly, he has
been traded between leagues as well as clubs. His clutch hitting
record is equally inconsistent. So, for my purposes in 1993 I would
not draw any conclusions about his ability to hit in the clutch based
on his prior performance. I don't know how I would have felt in 1988,
but you may indeed be right.
When I looked at Sabo I found a more consistent record of hitting, and
a more consistent pattern of his clutch hitting being proportionately
below his non-clutch BA. Ditto for Joe Carter.
This probably brings us to the heart of the disagreement I am having
with others on this topic. Must any conclusion based on statistical
history be able to be applied broadly throughout a data base before
it has any validity? Is it impossible (or irrational) to apply
statistical analysis to selected components of the data base?
I completely accept that reasoning. Again, what if we were to find
the same individuals at each end of the spectrum on a consistent
basis?
amen.
-- The Beastmaster
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7,486 | YAHOOOOOOOOO!
The Habs tied this sucker at 2 and the teams now head for Quebec
City to play game 5. BTW, final score was Habs 3-Nords 2.
The score might be a bit misleading. The Habs dominated the game
from the 5:00 mark of the first and then on. The score should have
been 8-2 if it weren't for some miraculous save from a Ron Hextall
(bastard!). He's the reason the score was as close. Habs winning
goal was scored by Benoit Brunet at 1:07 of the 3rd.
Roy had an OK game. He made the first save (one way or another)
and the defense was there to clear any rebounds.
This just in, ESPN radio reports that the Bruins lost 6-5 in OT.
YAHOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Those suckers got what they deserved.
Life is just great!!!! Now if my finals would go just as well!
Nick (I'll take off my town crier hat now)
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642 |
If it encouraged the runner to stretch his lead, it would probably
also result ina greater number of pickoffs. I think it would be a
workable rule, but it would probably be best to experiment in another
league before trying it in the bigs. | 0 |
607 |
I don't understand this at all. Matt Williams has demonstrated
throughout his career that he will NOT wait for good pitches to hit.
He won't take walks. He'd rather swing. If I'm the opposing pitcher,
why would I groove a fastball to Williams and have him hit it well,
when I know that Williams will swing (and miss, or at least not hit
very well) at a low and away curve? | 0 |
7,354 | 0 | |
4,911 |
Another pair of suggestions:
1. Remove the Balk rule. It is the runners responsibility to stay "safe"
no matter what the pitcher does.
2. If a pitcher throws to an occupied base more than X time (X = 3 to 5)
without successfully picking off the runner, the runner advances a base
as if walked.
This last suggestion will probably increase the number of stolen bases
considerably. Suppose the pitcher uses up (N-1) of his N pick-off
attempts. The runner can probably stretch his lead off the base,
given that there will be extra pressure on the pitcher to get it
right this time.
Would this suggestion apply to pick-off attempts per pitch, per
batter, or per base runner (on the same base)?
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Dr. Edward J. Baranoski
MIT Lincoln Laboratory "It's got to be the going,
Rm. J-118D, PO Box 73 not the getting there that's good"
Lexington, MA 02143 --Harry Chapin, from "Greyhound"
(617)981-0480 | 0 |
1,035 | HELP! I'm stuck here at a computer in New Jersey and have no access to
a radio or TV. Could someone kindly post the score of the Canucks-Jets
game? Thanks in advance. | 0 |
5,630 | Dateline Tue, 20/Apr93 03:38.
In , Antonio Pera of icop@csa.bu.edu wrote to All at 1:133/411,
AP> Recently, I heard the Red Sox on WROL a
AP> Spanish-speaking radio station. I thought it was so
AP> unreal. The Red Sox in Spanish? Anyway, I want to find
AP> out how widespread this is? Being a NY native, I know
AP> the scMets are on in Spanish but not the Yankmes. I
AP> wuold think that LA,SD,Texas and Fla are on in Spanish.
AP> Are there any Spanish-speaking networks or is this a
AP> local
For the last couple of years, the Braves have been fostering a program to reach to the Latin American audience. This has included licensing Spanish fan magazines, encouraging Spanish co-broadcasts, and marketing programs directed at the Latin American community. One of the biggest heros to the Latin American audience has been Francisco Cabrerra (a fact of which he was slightly embarrassed!).
One funny story is that during Spring Training, the Braves played a game in Mexico. This game was broadcast back to Atlanta in Spanish. It took the broadcasters a few innings to get a rythm going because they had to keep changing their location. Seems it took a while to find a place where they could get a clear signal on their cellular phones through which they were calling the game!
David Deitch, (GIS) Atlanta
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4,568 |
Major League Baseball is trying to expand its appeal to people with shorter
attention spans (i.e. the football crowd). (-: Invariably, all the
arguments from people who don't like to watch baseball on T.V. say the
same thing: the games are too long and too boring. Baseball is trying
to find a way to shorten the games for wider T.V. appeal. If you look at
it, though, baseball games last around the same amount of time as football
games. The difference is that there is "more action" in that duration in
football games. Perhaps if there were "more action" in baseball games, you
would get more of those fans to tune in. Anyway, coming up with a solution
to make baseball more appealing to a bigger crowd is going to be difficult.
[On soapbox] Yet another reason to get a commisioner NOW since it's obvious
that ruling baseball by comittee works about as fast as a snail race in
Nebraska. [Off soapbox]
-Steve | 0 |
4,152 |
In the season 92/93 playing for EHC Freiburg/Germany
Benny. | 0 |
2,443 |
Gaetz won't be back. There's been rumors he was officially released right at
the end of the season when his contract expired, but I haven't seen
confirmation. It was clear from my talks with the Sharks doctors that he
wasn't going to make it for a while, and the Sharks would have to sign him
to a contract, which given his problems competing at the IHL level this
spring, doesn't make sense.
| 0 |
2,656 | DON MATTINGLY IS THE BEST FIRST BASEMAN IN THE HISTORY OF BASEBALL.....ALWAYS
HAS BEEN.....ALWAYS WILL BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| 0 |
535 | OK, OK, OK. First, my apologies for perhaps being untimely with this subject material and perhaps overly optimistic in my request, but here goes anyhow:
I'm *very* interested in finding out how I might be able to get two tickets for the All Star game in Baltimore this year. My very aged folks live about 50 miles away and I know it would be a great thing for them to attend the game. I went with them, and my grandfather who got me into baseball as a small child, to the All Star game in DC many years ago. Although I'm now in the SF Bay Area, I'd *love* to be able to treat my folks to this game; it's absolutely the last chance they'd ever have to attend this g
ame locally.
Any info would be greatly appreciated!!!! | 0 |
1,015 | ...
That is if Mario makes it.
Pat Walker sounds like the type that would bring an AK-47 to a game
and take pot shots at Mario. ("stand STILL...dam sunavbich...HMFF")
| 0 |
7,037 | Hey,guess what's coming to ESPN for a change? A playoff which doesn't
involve the Pens. Not that there is anything wrong with that...
ESPN games :
Thursday Game3 Pens at Devils at 7:30(Gary Thorne and Bill Clement)
Saturday Game4 Caps at NY Isles at 7:30(Tom Mees and John Davidson)
ABC game :
Sunday Game4 Pens at Devils at 1:00 (Gary Thorne and Bill Clement)
ESPN named its #2 broadcast team on Tuesday. It paired Tom Mees(play by
play) with John Davidson(analyst). | 0 |
5,081 | So, which one will officially be the end of the world? ;)
I can see the end of the WS now:
"Well folks, here it is. Bottom of the ninth; bases loaded; Full count on
Sandberg in this 1-1 game. Clemens winds, heres the pitch. Swung on and it is a
line drive to center. Zupcic moves to his left. He's there and.....
*****ZOT******
| 0 |
7,183 | :
: Speaking of Paddock--what's he doing slagging Sandlak? If Sandlak puts
: his mind to it, he can be a physical presence and waking him up might be a
: real mistake.
Isn't Sandbag out with an injury now anyways? Perhaps Paddock
meant to say that Momesso was the cheap short artist. After all, that
would make more sense.
| 0 |
4,387 | I heard a story on the local sports news broadcast in Edmonton.
Oiler owner Peter Pocklington will be holding a press conference
next week. While the exact details are not known, it is believed
to concern the Oiler's future.
Rumour has it that Pocklington signed a tentative lease arrangement
with Copps Collesium in Hamilton. During the press conference,
Pocklington may announce the deal. It is quite possible that
the deal may simply be a way to force Edmonton Northlands to
renegotiate the Oiler lease on the stadium.
Northlands has offered to buy the Oilers for $65 million earlier,
but the offer was rejected immediately by Pocklington. | 0 |
7,375 |
The garbage started hitting the field well before the Sunday
game. It started on Thursday or Friday (I can't recall which games I
*didn't* watch on TBS). Deion was getting pelted with trash the whole
time, it seemed. The announcers talked about the change in the seating
in the bleachers, and how that made it easier for the events that
transpired. I actually thought at the start of the Sunday slugfest that
since it was a Sunday daygame the crowd would be a little different,
more refined. Surprise?
| 0 |
5,309 | Quebec dominated Habs for first 2 periods and only Roy kept
this one from being rout, although he did blow 2nd goal.
Canadians showed up in third but Nords were playing dump &
pull back most of the time. Hextall made some good saves but
really this one was lost in first period when nords scored 3
& could have had 5, plus another 4 in 2nd. Canadians are dead
meat, they may take one or 2 but this one is over. Tee it up
Jacques, next time you might rest players & forget about 1st
place, welcome to the Adams division. | 0 |
4,716 | BOSTON (0) AT SEATTLE (7)
BOSTON AB R H BI SEATTLE AB R H BI
RILES 2B 3 0 0 0 FELDER LF 4 0 1 1
QUINTANA RF 2 0 0 0 COTTO DH 3 0 0 0
GREENWELL LF 3 0 0 0 SASSER PH 1 0 0 0
DAWSON DH 3 0 0 0 GRIFFEY JR CF 4 0 0 0
M VAUGHN 1B 3 0 0 0 BUHNER RF 3 1 0 0
CALDERON CF 3 0 0 0 BOONE 2B 4 2 3 2
COOPER 3B 3 0 0 0 T MARTINEZ 1B 3 1 1 0
JOHN VALENTIN SS 3 0 0 0 BLOWERS 3B 4 1 2 1
PENA C 3 0 0 0 VALLE C 4 1 2 2
VIZQUEL SS 4 1 2 0
TOTALS 26 0 0 0 TOTALS 34 7 11 6 | 0 |
439 | I forgot to mention that the stats are for games through 4/20. | 0 |
1,734 | I want All-Star Tickets does anyone know how I can get
some?
Are they for public sale or are they sold out?
Or do you just have to work for a company with some
Anyway any answers would be appreciated.
Please E-mail me. | 0 |
6,657 | Hi guys....
What happened?
1. Potvin didn't let six goals by.
2. Wendel and Andreychuk woke up.
3. Home ice and LOTS of yelling in the Gardens gave the Leafs
the emotional edge.
4. Refs calls (especially last night) tended to favour Leafs.
A couple of comments:
1. On Gilmour: Just because the guy isn't one of the three
stars doesn't mean he was not leading the team. Someone posted
the playoff point total and he's in something like fifth or sixth
place....plus, he walked away with the Molson cup (given for
accumulating points from the three star selection) during the
regular season.
2. On the officiating: I've heard gripes from both ends on this
one. Emotions are very high in this series; the rivalry is
one of the stronger ones I know of. I do have to agree that the
officiating last night was pro-Leaf in general (except for whoever
missed that slash on Gilmour's hand).
3. In general: I STILL think Detroit has one of the better
chances vs. Pittsburgh (though I think the Leafs would do better
against the Blues....but not as well if they made it out of the
division). Problem is, I like both these teams, though I'm
supporting the Leafs on the underdog principle. D
By the way...Gilmour tiring out is a lot like Bob Probert not
playing aggressive hockey....
By the way....I'm not any sort of expert, nor do I claim to be.
I just like watching a good matchup.
| 0 |
5,919 | : I have wondered why a pitcher is given 8 pitches when he enters the
: game. Let's be serious. The relief pitcher has normally been
: throwing out in the bullpen for a few minutes. Does he really need 8
: more pitches?
If the relief pitcher didn't get 8 pitches, there wouldn't be enough time
to:
1) Play "Hit The Road Jack"
2) The Iron City Relief Pitcher Commercial
3) The announcers to detail to us exactly what drove the
previous one from the game
4) A detailed biography, both personal and statistical, of the
new guy throwing his 8 pitches.
5) Get really cool super-slo-mo pictures for Diamond Vision to put up
by said pitchers name and stats! | 0 |
5,782 | Is there any judgement call on the part of the scorer for sac fly RBI's?
This is the situation that brought the question up:
The Red Sox were up in the bottom of the 9th by a score of 5-1. The Mariners
had the bases loaded with 1 out. The batter hits a fly to center, which the
fielder catches. The runner at third tags and scores without a throw.
Now, without a judgement call (and I don't think there is one), this is an RBI
for the batter. It seems to me that a better name for this would be "defensive
indifference", since it doesn't really matter whether the guy at third scores
at that point. (I know, I can think of several "If the Mariners stole third
and second, which opening the base would allow, and then the batter hit a
grounder which the third baseman gets deep in the hole between himself and
third, he wouldn't have a play at home, third, or second for the out, and
maybe he therefore can't make the throw to first to get the last out, etc...
scenarios, too. But does it _really_ matter if this guy scores this way when
you're down by 4? If the tying run is going to score, so is the guy on third.)
The point is that the batter (IMO) shouldn't get "credit" (an RBI) for utterly
failing to do his job - which at this point is to get a hit or a walk, not
trade an out for one run. What do you guys think? | 0 |
5,219 | I believe that the large number of digits on his paycheck (and
it would not be binary) would help Don to be a fan of Ulf!, Jaro, and
Mario. | 0 |
5,268 |
No. I do not find this conceivable. I also cannot conceive of the
possibility that there is any hypothetical team which Morris would
help more than Clemens.
Given your premise, yes. But you are alone in your ability to
conceive of that premise. | 0 |
2,092 | It depends. If, in the judgment of the umpire the batter made no
attempt to avoid getting hit, the batter is awarded first for a
base on balls. If the umpire rules he did try to get out of the
way, he's awarded first because of a hit batsman.
Ryan Robbins
Penobscot Hall
University of Maine | 0 |
2,478 |
Hey, Bosio threw a no-no what the hell a Red Sox fan
going to say to that. Heck...Remeber Matt Young last year? ICK.. | 0 |
4,880 |
And it is not Hirschbeck's job to help Gant with any of these difficulties.
If Gant can't gather his concentration for whatever reason, that just makes
him all the more meat in the batter's box. The umpire's job is to
maintain flow of play. Gant is not entitled to time to regather his
faculties.
Nor is anyone else.
Absolutely. I think it'd be more accurate to say Gant was foolish.
If a disputed strike call is ample reason for a timeout, games would last
about nine-fifteen weeks, if Jack Morris or Dave "Whiner" Stieb were
pitching. A disputed strike call is not sufficient for a time out.
Suck it up, get back in the box, and never badmouth the blue. They're
not going to change their mind, and you're just going to come across
as a pinhead, which won't help you with the borderline calls.
FTR - I never speak to umpires when I don't know them personally, nor
do I glance at them, or react to calls. As a result, I think I get more
than my fair share of borderline calls at the plate, because I have a
rep of having a good eye. (Actually, there are a lot of negative
connotations that go with that rep, including copious questions about
my masculinity, party affiliation, and sexual preference.)
Irrelevant. He was wasting time THEN.
1. Because it's not his job.
2. Because setting the precedent of cutting slack THERE can easily
extend to those 3 hour games. (Kind of like the phantom DP.)
Gant hurt himself, and the Braves disrupted the game. Your biases are
exposed, and I'm sitting here defending umpires and the SF Giants,
which is like Phyllis Schlafly defending Gary Segura, Jack Kevorkian,
and the Swedish Abortion Team.
I believe Terry said the magic word. There are some truly quick ways
to get tossed from a ballgame. For a primer, email me.
Good ways to get tossed from a game:
1. Ask Ken Kaiser if he got his money back from Nutri-System.
2. Kiss Rich Garcia on the lips, and say "Hi, Honey, I'm Home!"
3. Goose Eric Gregg.
4. Ask Bruce Froemming if his parents had any children that lived.
5. Get Naked.
(Source: The Greg Spira Book of Diamond Ettiquette, as told to
Peter Gammons. 1991, Collier Press.)
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5,754 |
Wait a minute; I could swear that Varsho is white. | 0 |
1,984 |
As she said, the letter is addressed to Bettman. The post (which, though
having pretty much the same content, is an entirely different entity) was
addressed to all. When she puts the letter in the mail I doubt it will
say "To: All". I figure she wanted to let people here see what was in it
since it is a topic that interests a lot of folks here. That's an entirely
different purpose than sending the letter to Bettman.
Unfortunately...
The "largest computer networks in the world" phrase is a definition of
the Internet, not a group as a whole that she claims to represent. As
for the business of whether or not it is large, it is large compared
to say, the number of folks on r.s.h. who are sending a letter to thank
him for changing the names, at least to this point. And just for my
own curiosity I thought I'd look up the "official" definition of large
in the dictionary. It reads:
large - 1. having more than usual power, capacity, or scope.
2. exceeding most other things of like kind in quantity or size.
Now I have no idea how many letters Bettman may have gotten on the issue
or how many people may have signed them. 65 people may be up there,
thereby validating definition 2. I would also wager that the geographical
range of signatures is quite large, which would give it a large scope.
Why would he be impressed with this unless it were "large"?
I am of course assuming that you actually agree with what you are writing
and are not simply trying to be a pain about the whole issue to hear
yourself speak.
I personally don't know whether or not I agree with the letter. I have
very mixed emotions about it. I like the names as they are, and don't
think they make it that difficult to learn the game, but there might be
a shred of validity to the change.
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2,474 |
I was at that game, behind home plate next to a scout who was manning the
radar gun. The 1991 season was winding down and Roger didn't have his
best fastball, topping out at 88-90 (in contrast to Frank Tanana, who went
as low as 50 with one lollipop in the process of striking out Phil
Plantier *five* times on the night). Inky's shot would have gone further
than any I've ever seen if it hadn't crashed *into* the lights (not the
lightstand) as you say over 100 feet high, Roy Hobbs-like, and bounced
back onto the field. That had to have been a 525-footer if unobstructed,
edging out Bo Jackson's drive off Oil Can Boyd to the top of the
centerfield bleacher back wall in 1988 for the best I've seen personally
(I was sitting under that one).
---
Glenn Waugaman
Digital Equipment Corporation
Littleton, MA
g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com | 0 |
363 | How did the Leafs turn it around???
I couldn't get the Leaf games on the weekend in CA.
Did the Leaf defense wise up overnight?
Did the Leafs get in the slot or
was it just "fluke" goals in a goalie duel?
Did the Wings turn off the jets or muscle?
What gives here?
I caught game 1 on satellite. I figured my Leafs were washed.
This is a _major_ turnaround. Very few predicted this.
How, how, how did it happen?
Wing and Leaf perspectives welcomed!
| 0 |
4,271 |
The USA Today says "late this year". The question is, will hockey be moved to
ESPN2 permenantly, or will it be where they have a game of the week on
ESPN, and have a bunch of other games on ESPN2?
--
Mike Cornell | "There are a great many people in the country today who,
mac18@po.cwru.edu| through no fault of their own, are sane." -Monty Python | 0 |
2,372 | I plan on being in the Toronto area sometime this summer (late June or
early July) and would like to attend a Blue Jay game. I would
appreciate if anyone could give me information on how to obtain
tickets for Blue Jay games. I would prefer to get good seats and I
assume this would require going through some ticket broker and paying
$$$$. Ticket broker info for the Toronto area and/or ticket info
directly through the Blue Jays would be appreciated (I'll bring oxygen
if need be.) My schedule is flexible so any games are candidates
(though I'd prefer to see Texas.)
Thanks in advance. | 0 |
1,835 |
I couldn't agree more. The Jays have a lot of power in their line-up.
So far pitching has been the biggest problem. Maybe we can get Acker back? :-)
One incident that sticks out in my mind was when Derek Bell ran back out on
to the feild after the Jays had won the division and all the players were
back in the clubhouse. Bell ran around the field with his arms in the air,
waving a big towel over his head. He looked like a big jerk, especially
when you consider he did not contribute much to the team over the whole
season. The next day, Winfield and Carter somehow got the keys to Bell's
Jeep and brought it out on to the feild before the game started. The stadium
announcer said that there was going to be a draw later in the game for Bell's
jeep. Bell really freaked out. I don't think Bell was to popular after that.
I think that Jackson might be trying a little too hard right now. He's known
for being a great outfielder, and he's not the only Blue Jay who has been
booting balls and playing generally awful.
andrew
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4,865 |
Nah, let's reserve rec.sports.idiots for people who POST
obvious flamebait, like yourself.
If someone posts something as controversial (not to mention
idiotic) as what Austin posted in a widely accessed newsgroup,
someone should challenge the statement. There is a school
of thought that suggests that silence = consent. Whereas
this idea may not apply to everything in life, it certainly
SHOULD apply to a forum of public discussion, which r.s.b.
is.
If you've been reading r.s.b. lately, you'll find
that even elementary school children have had access
to our postings, alibet in an edited form. It's making me
think a little more carefully about some of the things I post.
In conclusion, if someone like Austin wants to post his drivel
in some obscure newsgroup that I don't read, fine. He's got the
right to rant, rave, and drool all he wants to in the name
of free speech. But if he drools in a newsgroup that I read,
then I will support the right of anyone to provide rebuttal
to his drooling.
Now, of course, you don't have to read any of this.
And if you want to cut down on flames, then
DON'T POST FLAMEBAIT!
(You don't have to respond to flames, either. Saves cyberspace)
| 0 |
3,345 |
Perhaps it was the most exciting game played yet that YOU have seen. For
most of us who watch teams around the league with interest and objectivity,
it was *nowhere* *near* the most exciting game...
Unfortunately, the instant replay is not used on hits. At first, I
immediately thought "5 and a game" because the hit _looked_ much more severe
from an intent-to-injure perspective than it was. After seeing the replay,
I'd say it deserved 2-4 minutes for boarding (it was careless any way you
slice it). If Stewart had replay, I do not think Chaisson would have gotten
5 and the game.
This no-call was bullshit, I agree. I admire Stewart for letting them go, but
Probert *looked* *up* saying where the hell is the penalty? I've never
seen Probert whine either (he doesn't need to). Now, if Probie
decides to put Wendel through the boards, he's probably gone, right?
This was also bullshit. But once again, no replay. It was Rouse, btw. I'm
really pissed that the linesmen didn't correct the call either....it's b.s.
when the officials refuse to admit they made a mistake.
Yes. The calls you describe should not have the difference in a Detroit
loss. I picked the Leafs to win Game 3 on emotion and adrenalin, but the
Wings have no excuses for Game 4. They should be the superior team.
The call that pissed me off the most was Anderson getting 4 for putting his
stick in somebody's eye. That was _the_ most dangerous stick infraction I
have seen in a long time, and everybody in the damn league _knows_ he's an
asshole when it comes to stickwork. Four lousy minutes. Bullshit call.
Murray should send the tape in. Or a Wing should hammer the living shit out
of him.
| 0 |
4,755 |
Marcus Thuresson had 6 goals, 10 assists, 16 points and 22 PIM in 31 games
this season for Leksand in the Swedish elite league. This was only 10th
in point scoring for Leksand.
Marcus (born May 31 1971, Ht 185 cm, Wt 85 kg) is relatively young so he
might still start producing, but I think the Sharks may have done a bad
trade here.
Staffan
| 0 |
2,393 |
Looks like Bob Errey's ring really sparkles in that locker room, and everyone
else wants one, too! :-) Correct me if I'm wrong though, (just through
the net, not through e-mail, I don't need 100 rl's in my e-mail!) but wasn't
Boston down 2-0 vs. Buffalo last year?Boston lost 1 and 2 at home and won
3 and 4 in Buffalo. Whoever wins game 3 will advance. Simple as that!!! :-) | 0 |
3,048 | [...details deleted...]
Oh, great. We fans can subsidize the cost of speeding up the games
that we don't want to see sped up. Terrific.
Oh. I forgot. Checking off that box to finance Presidential campaigns
doesn't cost us taxpayers anything.
Do you believe in the Tooth Fairy, too?
-- The Beastmaster
(sorry. I hate to be so sarcastic on such a beautiful day.)
| 0 |
5,775 |
Matching the Makarov offer was the only real mistake Dave King has made this
year. I have to wonder about the intelligence of signing a 33-year old who
is obviously on the downside of his career to a 4-year $2 million contract.
Risebrough matched the offer on King's request and Makarov has spent the last
quarter of the season in the press box because his work ethic just plain
stinks. Not to mention that he's lost a step and can no longer get himself
into position to make the nifty passes.
I think Makarov will be available for free this offseason to anybody who agrees
to pay his contract. He's ineffective in Calgary, but he might be able to help
a team like San Jose, with their shortage of talent. If there's no takers, and
Makarov doesn't show improvement in training camp, I think the Flames will just
bite the bullet and buy out Makarov's contract and release him. With his
current attitude, he is a detriment to the team. | 0 |
6,141 |
Yes and No. ESPN2 will be launched as early in September. Cap Cities
are currently working with cable companies to ensure a good start-up
base needed for a launch for any brand new cable service.
The problem ESPN2 faces is the TCI-Cablevision connection in the
merger of their Prime and SportsChannel networks. Prime SportsChannel
will try to wrestle away NHL from ESPN in the off-season. Also,TCI
and Cablevision have control a large number of cable systems around the
country with a total of 15 million subscribers. TCI-Cablevision will
do their best that ESPN2 never gets off the ground successfully. And the
NHL's value will suddenly skyrocket in this cable war between Prime SC
and ESPN. NHL is more vital to the survival of a regionalized Prime
SportsChannel since they virtually have no national major league sports
contracts and only cover local NHL/NBA/MLB sports teams. | 0 |
1,220 | (Susan Clark) asks:
I am not so sure about the celebrated players of the game, but Tod Hartje,
who played for Harvard in college and then went on to play in the AHL
(initially for Moncton and currently for Providence-- thanks to Daryl
Turner for the update!) appeared on David Letterman's show about two
years ago now.
Tod has the distinction of being the first American born player to go
and play in the former Soviet Union. This was arranged by Jets GM Mike
Smith while Tod was playing in Moncton at about the time all those
European players were coming over to North America to play in the NHL.
Tod spent a year playing in Russia and played with or against some of
the Russian players who have just entered the NHL in the last two years.
He wrote a book on his experiences called "Behind the Red Line" (check it
out!) and appeared on the Letterman show to talk about them.
-- Mike | 0 |
7,373 |
I believe he was well out of baseball by the time he died.
Uh, he also has been charged with chasing his wife in a car, and smashing it
into a tree, as well as carrying a loaded firearm in his car. And the
speeding reported was over 100 mph; reckless driving.
Actually, I hadn't heard about this; thanks.
I don't know what you were reading or watching, but I sure saw a LOT about
that, and about Dykstra's poker games. Most of the writing was along the lines
of how incredibly stupid and selfish it was, and how he'd hurt the team by
wracking himself and the catcher up, etc. ESPN raised questions about his
judgement, etc. The print media here in the SF area questioned why disciplinary
action wouldn't be taken against Dykstra, and one article pointed out that if
Lenny wanted to kill himself, there were ways that wouldn't endanger other
people's lives. Then there was Dykstra himself being quoted on how stupid it
was, etc.
Mike | 0 |
4,838 | writes...
Oh, probably.
Ms. Nichols has given the average game times (and average runs scored) for
1983 and 1992. (A very nice piece of information, Ms. Nichols. Who knows?
She may be listening, and not have me in her kill file after all.) Those
numbers indicate somewhere in the neighborhood of half-a-run *less* being
scored per game, and the games taking 15 minutes *longer*. Something is
being done now that wasn't done ten years ago, which is extending the games
by 15 minutes. Ms. Nichols thinks it's more pitches. Given the increasing
specialization of pitchers, it wouldn't surprise me.
If it's not simply more pitches, though, I don't think it's unreasonable
to think that something can be done to get ten of those minutes back. Then
I get a couple more from shortening the warmup time for a relief pitcher
after he comes in, and a couple more still from enforcing existing rules,
which have been stated in other posts in this thread (and other related ones).
The problem is, who decides whether that time is "wasted?" You don't seem
to think it is at all. Right now, I think it is, although I have heard one
case favoring giving the reliever all the warmups he thinks he needs (the
difference in mounds between the field and pen) -- but who knows? If the
rules get changed, maybe something I didn't foresee will happen to change my
mind. But you can bet a lot of minds would fail to foresee the same thing,
or else nothing will be changed.
RG | 0 |
601 | Yes, Yes, I can see it now >>>> all those Sabre fans FINALLY taking
their Sabre sweaters out of the moth balls and proudly wearing them.
After 9 years of playoff frustration and being up 3 games to nil
I guess it is a pretty good bet. BUT there has not been a team
that has come back from an 0-3 deficit since 1975 - could this be
the year. (Don't throw out the moth balls yet) | 0 |
2,136 | Disaster! Finland was beaten by Czech 1-3 (0-0,1-1,0-2).
Finland will be 4th of pool B and will most certainly meet Canada in the
quarter final on wednesday 28th. Lack of scoring skills has
been the major problem of team Finland throughout the tournament.
Briza (goalie) was the MVP of the Czech team and Tikkanen was the
MVP of the Finnish team. | 0 |
2,632 | I have some advice for you, and some thoughts about
your hatred of the Minnesota North Stars:
1. A real team like Toronto would not be moved, you are right,
just eliminated from the playoffs first round!
2. Why stay in Minnesota when you can go to a college in
Western Ontario and actually take classes on map-reading
and the Artistry of BSing specifically set up for just you.
3. Why should anyone love the Stars, when hating the Leafs
is so much better?
4. Oh, I'm sorry.. well, maybe you can't understand my
big words.. next time I'll limit my vocabulary to words
like "get real team now" and "do not waste our time"
5. Respond to this article. I love to laugh at your humor,
even though it it unintentional. I got a BIG kick out of
GO LEAFS GO.... go where? HOME, I think!! :)
--
delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
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1988,1989,1990,1991 AFC East Division Champions
1991,1992, AND 1993 AFC Conference Champions!!!!!!!! :)
Squished the Fish ............... Monday Night Football, November 16, 1992..
SQUISHED THE TRASH TALKING FISH.. AFC CHAMPIONSHIP, JANUARY 17, 1992.. | 0 |
6,591 | Antonio,you weren't alone.
ABC ratings were very good. I was schocked to hear that ABC's telecast
was the fifth most watched sporting event over the weekend. National
rating came out to a very respectable 3.3. Top-29 Nielsen markets were
at 2.9. In Boston,the game scored lower at 2.4 but it had some competion
from local sports teams.
Quite frankly, I expected ABC's ratings to be under 2.0. But I'm happy
to be proven wrong!
Well,well...Sometimes it pays off clicking away on your cable-tv remote
control.:-) And if you happen to be a hockey fan,you could just stumble
upon a playoff hockey game...
ESPN picked up Detroit-Toronto game on Monday night because the only
night game in MLB was being rained out in Chicago. You have to give
ESPN credit for switching to Detroit's FOX-50 coverage and having Bill
Clement at a Pittsburgh's TV station(WATE?) for intermission analysis.
Maybe,ESPN people were giddy over perliminary over-night ABC ratings
for Sunday's telecast and thought it was a good idea to feature the
Norris division showdown rather than a monster truck competion.
Good move,ESPN!
| 0 |
4,107 | 4/23/93 BLUES SHUTOUT HAWKS AGAIN, LEAD SERIES 3-0
-----------------------------------------------------
It was a great atmosphere last night at the St. Louis Arena as Joseph and
the Blues shutout the Hawks for the second consecutive game. People were
cheering the Blues long before face-off time, and they kept going for the
entire game. My friends and I went out celebrating until the early morning
hours with some of the players. Here's a game summary from the St. Louis
Post-Disptach. Enjoy...
By Dave Luecking
Of The Post-Dispatch Staff:
At 10:24 p.m. Friday night, The Arena crowd of 17,965 paid homage to Blues
goalie Curtis Joseph. The fans began bowing, their arms extended, taking the
the lead from a fan who held a sign that read ``Only God Saves More Than
Joseph." It was a fitting tribute to Joseph, who has brought the Blues to
the verge of a surprising sweep.
Joseph recorded his second successive shutout Friday, blanking the Blackhawks
3-0 in Game 3 of the Norris Division semifinals and giving the Blues a 3-0
lead in the best-of-seven series.
The Blackhawks haven't scored against Joseph since the 8:51 mark of the second
period of Game 1. Joseph has shut out the Blackhawks for 151 minutes 9 seconds,
a Blues record. Jacques Plante held the previous record of 146:28, set in the
first round of the 1969 playoffs against the Philadelphia Flyers, one of only
two series the Blues have sweeped in their history.
The Blues can wrap up their first sweep since 1969 with a victory in Game 4,
a nationally televised game that begins at noon Sunday. The Blues have had
only two sweeps in franchise history, both in 1969, when they swept
Philadelphia and Los Angeles en route to the Stanley Cup finals.
The shutout Friday was easier than on Wednesday in Game 2 when Joseph had to
make 47 saves. This time, the Blues held the shots down to 34, and the
Blackhawks couldn't touch Joseph.
Well, they touched Joseph, numerous times, shoving him and pushing him at
every opportunity to try to get him off his game. But Joseph and the Blues
were unfazed, dishing out their own punishment along the way.
The Blues' grinders -- Bob Bassen, Rich Sutter, Kevin Miller and Dave Lowry --
wore down the Blackhawks, taking the visitors from Chicago off their game.
The grinders set the stage for the glamour boys, the gifted playmakers and
scorers, who made the most of their opportunities.
Craig Janney, Brett Hull and Nelson Emerson scored, getting one goal in each
period. Hull assisted on Janney's first-period power play goal after two unwise
Chicago penalties. Checker Miller set up Hull's goal in the second period, and
rookie Denny Felsner assisted for Emerson, who scored at 16:44 of the final
period.
Blues fans jumped to their feet in celebration of that goal and began yelling
``Sweep. Sweep. Sweep." They also taunted Chicago goalie Ed Belfour
``Bell-Four. Bell-Four." They also chanted ``Na, na-na-na, hey-hey good bye."
Such talk is a tad premature. There's still one game left, but the Blues are
on a roll. They have the Blackhawks on their heels.
The Blues set the tone early on Friday with two crunching hits in the first
minute of play. Rich Sutter leveled Bryan Marchment, and Brendan Shanahan
dumped Steve Smith at center ice.
Chicago tried to retaliate, but Troy Murray's decision to run into Joseph
backfired. Referee Dan Marouelli gave him a roughing penalty.
The Blues didn't get a shot on goal on the power play, and they survived a
scare after Chicago killed the penalty when Rick Zombo gave the puck away to
Steve Larmer. Joseph stopped Larmer's shot and everything else Chicago threw
at him in the first period. The 'Hawks ignored the scouting report on Joseph
about shooting high and continued to shoot low, where Joseph's butterfly
style is deadly.
Rookie Bret Hedican picked up three consecutive penalties midway through the
period -- two for hooking and one for holding -- but Chicago got only two
shots on goal, as many as Miller. The Blues' penalty killer twice stole the
puck and just missed on good scoring chances against Belfour.
Marouelli began calling penalties on the Blackhawks to even things up.
He caught Brent Sutter hooking Shanahan four seconds after Hedican's third
penalty. He called Marchment for elbowing Janney along the boards at 14:58,
and gave the Blues a two-man advantage 1:07 later when Christian Ruuttu
slashed Shanahan.
The Blues worked around the puck on the ensuing power play, and Hull got it
where he likes it -- in the high slot. Hull's shot hit Belfour's right
shoulder, and the puck bounced precariously close to the goal line. Belfour
dived back to cover, but the puck squirted loose to Janney, who poked it into
the net at 16:53 for his first goal of the playoffs.
The Blues continued their relentless hitting as the period ended, and the
Blackhawks lost their composure. Joe Murphy tripped Ron Wilson with two seconds
remaining in the period, and after time had expired Smith upset the Blues by
shooting the puck into the Blues' bench.
Chris Chelios made a move toward Joseph as the teams left the ice, and
Marouelli slapped him with a 10-minute misconduct. Chicago survived the Blues'
power play, but the loss of Chelios hurt. He didn't return until the midway
point of the period, and within three minutes of his return, Hull had increased
the Blues' lead to 2-0, deflecting in Miller's crisp pass.
Try as they might, the Blackhawks couldn't get to Joseph, who stopped
everything they could throw at him. He stopped 12 shots in the second period
and 13 more in the third. Chicago also hit the goalpost twice.
Emerson's goal put the game away. He went hard to the net and redirected
Felsner's pass. | 0 |
5,899 |
why? | 0 |
6,370 |
The probability is that the Oilers are not going anywhere.
Pocklington has chosen this moment to make his "last" stand is
because he is at the moment of maximum advantage...the provincial
government is months away from a provincial election...it is
the moment when he has maximum power to convince Northlands
to give him a better arena deal or a better purchase price...
and it is before the NHL's new collective agreement with
the players which might involve some enhanced revenue-sharing.
Pocklington is many things...stupid is not one of them.
He can dictate terms...because other cities will pay his
price if Edmonton doesn't.
Edmonton has already fucked up its international airport, and
surrendered supremacy to Calgary, and over the next few years
Edmonton is going to take a hard hit from government cutbacks.
It will screw itself beyond recogniton if it manages to find
a way to lose its hockey team too...because Northlands wants
to continue to use the Oilers to subsidize horse racing.
However, in this case, about the long-term financial
viability of the Oilers, the fact is that Pocklington is basically
right, regardless of who owns the team, and it is right to provoke
the crisis now, before the team accumulates millions of dollars
in losses, or becomes habitually uncompetitive because of lack
of money.
Sather has done his job...the Oilers are poised to be competitive
again very soon (Al Strachan, one of the most knowledgeble hockey
writers in Canada in a post-mortem of the Oilers season in
the Globe and Mail recently agrees with me.) | 0 |
4,629 |
Nah, Cherry will only spew if Ulf was nailing "a good Canadian boy".
What an idiot... if this is the heart and soul of Canadian patriotism,
then someone needs a new hobby... | 0 |
2,921 | [obnoxious name-calling deleted]
Ok, who wants rm off of here? I say we get his net privleges revoked.
Any seconds?
| 0 |
3,324 | Tim Belcher pitched a dandy three-hit shut-out tonight as Cincinnati won
their second straight 5-0. Pittsburgh Lefty Randy Tomlin was hit early and
often by the heavily right-unbalanced Reds line-up, which managed some
recently rare power with their bats.
Belcher (1-1) was solid throughout and in fact seemed to get stronger as the
game progressed. Early on he had several three-ball counts, but even those
were few and far between later on as he allowed only one base-on-balls while
striking out nine. In a post game interview he said his change-up was working
for him--I should say so: all nine of his strikeouts were apparently on
breaking balls.
Tomlin (0-1), on the other hand was in trouble early, giving up a second-pitch
double to lead-off batter Bip Roberts. Bobby Kelly followed with a single and
Barry Larkin scored Roberts with a sharp single to right. The big guys
(Mitchell, Sabo, Milligan) were unable to get anything after that--in fact
they all struck out--but Kelly managed a score anyway due to a double-steal
and a Tomlin wild pitch.
In fact, it appeared that Tomlin was going to recover nicely from his shaky
start-- he retired 9 of the next 11 batters to get to the fourth behind only
2-0. Randy Milligan, though, had different ideas as his line-shot was
poorly played by Orlando Merced and turned into a triple. Milligan would
later score on Reggie Sanders' sacrifice fly, giving Cinci the 3-0 lead
after 4.
The fifth inning spelled loss for Tomlin when Roberts led off with his second
double of the game, and one batter later Larkin smacked a double down the
left field line, chasing Tomlin. Barry later would score the final run on
Tom Prince's two-base passed ball.
The Pirates managed their only threat of the day in the bottom half of the
fifth when Merced and Kevin Young hit back-to-back singles (the second
being of the "bunt" variety), but Carlos Garcia struck out, Prince fit a
foul fly, and pinch-hitter Lonnie Smith "K'd" to end any Pittsburgh hope.
Pittsburgh pitchers backed Tomlin up well, though: relievers Blas Minor,
Moeller (sp?), and Nagel gave up only two hits in their four-plus innings
work.
Barry Larkin left the game in the seventh when the grounder he (mis)played
bruised his right thumb. He was taken to the hospital for "precautionary
X-rays". Let's hope he's OK.
Cincinnati is now 4-9, still the worst record in the majors, but with the
two wins they may be looking at moving out of the cellar!
Pittsburgh is now 7-6.
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CINCINNATI REDS
AB R H K BB LO
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Roberts 2b 4 2 2 1 0 1
Kelly cf 4 1 1 0 0 0
Larkin ss 3 1 3 0 0 0
Branson ss 0 0 0 0 0 0
Mitchell lf 4 0 1 1 0 0
Hernandez lf 0 0 0 0 0 0
Sabo 3b 4 0 0 1 0 1
Milligan 1b 4 1 1 2 0 1
Sanders rf 3 0 0 2 0 0
Oliver c 4 0 2 2 0 0
Belcher p 4 0 0 2 0 1
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Totals 34 5 10 11 0 4
3b Milligan (off Tomlin, leading off fourth, scored)
2b Roberts (off Tomlin, leading off first, scored)
Roberts (off Tomlin, leading off fifth, scored)
Larkin (off Tomlin, in fifth, one out, runner on second, RBI, scored)
SF Sanders
RBI Larkin 2, Sanders
SB Kelly, Larkin
GDP Sabo
PITTSBURGH PIRATES
AB R H K BB LO
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Martin lf 4 0 0 0 0 1
Bell ss 4 0 0 1 0 0
Van Slyke cf 4 0 0 0 0 0
King 3b 3 0 0 2 1 0
Merced rf 3 0 1 1 0 0
Young 1b 2 0 1 1 0 0
Garcia 2b 3 0 0 2 0 1
Prince c 3 0 1 0 0 0
Tomlin p 1 0 0 0 0 0
Minor p 0 0 0 0 0 0
Smith ph 1 0 0 1 0 2
Moeller p 0 0 0 0 0 0
Waynor ph 1 0 0 1 0 0
Nagel p 0 0 0 0 0 0
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29 0 3 9 1 4
GDP Merced
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Cincinnati 2 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 ----- 5 11 1
Pittsburgh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ----- 0 3 0
Pitching
IP R ER H K BB
Cincinnati
Belcher (W 1-1) 9 0 0 3 9 1
CG (1), SO (1)
$$$LINE OF THE DAY!!!$$$
E- Larkin
Pittsburgh
Tomlin (L 0-1) 4 1/3 5 5 9 6 0
Minor 2/3 0 0 1 0 0
Moeller 2 0 0 0 3 0
Nagel 1 0 0 1 2 0
WP- Tomlin
PB- Prince
Umps Rippley/Hallion/Quick/Crawford
Att-9,077
T-2:14
Coming up:
The Reds play two more in Pitts, then go to Chicago for a weekend series.
The weather doesn't look good, though-- don't be surprised if one or more
games get rained out.
Tomorrow, 7:35, Jose Rijo vs. Steve Cook, then Smiley vs. Wakefield on Thursday. | 0 |
1,429 |
Well, yeah. On the other hand, for the first few years of his career he
looked like Herb Washington. Dan Gladden doesn't seem to suck defensively,
either.
Yeah, and how many of the white guys played one year into a long career?
It's actually not an uncommon phenomenon, and how long a guy hangs around
based on one good year seems like a reasonable question to explore on a
racial basis.
Hey, he plays for Lou Gorman, doesn't he? OK, so it's eight years.
Good point on Cedeno. OTOH, I haven't seen that extensive list of 10-year
Dan Gladdens, either. There really aren't that many players altogether who
hang around for 10 years even if they're reasonably good.
Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com | 0 |
1,216 | I would appreciate it if someone could volunteer to verify the shots on goal
and save percentage numbers for me, so I can put these stats on the archive
site. Contact me by mail if you want to volunteer.
Here are the team goalie stats as of: Wed Apr 21 09:09:38 CST 1993
These stats include games up to and including the Sunday previous to the date
listed above. They have been verified against what is printed in my newspaper
every Tuesday. They don't print shots and save percentage numbers, so those
are not verified.
If you have any questions, comments or suggestions, let me know.
Randy
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MP = Minutes Played, GA = Goals against,
SO = Shutouts, GAA = Goals against average
W = Wins, L = Losses, T = Ties
SOG = Shots on Goal, SV = Save Percentage
MP GA SO GAA W L T SOG SV TM Player
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4106 177 7 2.59 41 18 11 1879 0.906 CHI Ed Belfour
996 49 2 2.95 6 7 1 414 0.882 CHI Jim Waite
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5108 230 9 2.70 47 25 12 2296 0.900 CHI
479 18 2 2.25 6 2 0 232 0.922 TOR Daren Puppa
2781 116 2 2.50 25 15 7 1287 0.910 TOR Felix Potvin
1665 87 1 3.14 13 9 4 823 0.894 TOR Grant Fuhr
160 15 0 5.63 0 3 0 91 0.835 TOR Rick Wamsley
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5097 241 5 2.84 44 29 11 2438 0.901 TOR
25 1 0 2.40 0 0 0 10 0.900 BOS Mike Bales
1322 64 1 2.90 9 8 4 596 0.893 BOS John Blue
3194 168 3 3.16 37 14 3 1354 0.876 BOS Andy Moog
542 31 0 3.43 5 4 0 225 0.862 BOS Reggie Lemelin
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5096 268 4 3.16 51 26 7 2190 0.878 BOS
3702 186 4 3.01 43 14 5 1889 0.902 PIT Tom Barrasso
1368 78 0 3.42 13 7 2 691 0.887 PIT Ken Wregget
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5083 268 5 3.16 56 21 7 2582 0.896 PIT
3890 196 1 3.02 29 28 9 2194 0.911 STL Curtis Joseph
1210 74 1 3.67 8 8 2 628 0.882 STL Guy Hebert
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5110 278 2 3.26 36 36 11 2825 0.902 STL
1817 94 1 3.10 18 8 4 858 0.890 VAN Kay Whitmore
3261 184 3 3.39 28 21 5 1620 0.886 VAN Kirk McLean
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5087 278 4 3.28 46 29 9 2449 0.886 VAN
1193 64 0 3.22 13 4 2 522 0.877 DET Vincent Riendeau
3880 210 4 3.25 34 24 7 1898 0.889 DET Tim Cheveldae
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5088 280 4 3.30 47 28 9 2425 0.885 DET
40 1 0 1.50 0 0 0 19 0.947 MTL Frederick Chabot
3595 192 2 3.20 31 25 5 1813 0.894 MTL Patrick Roy
1433 81 1 3.39 17 5 1 686 0.882 MTL Andre Racicot
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5087 280 3 3.30 48 30 6 2522 0.889 MTL
1311 70 1 3.20 14 4 1 629 0.889 CAL Jeff Reese
3732 203 2 3.26 29 26 9 1805 0.888 CAL Mike Vernon
65 5 0 4.62 0 0 1 39 0.872 CAL Andrei Trefilov
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5120 282 3 3.30 43 30 11 2476 0.886 CAL
1 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 1.000 WAS Byron Dafoe
343 10 2 1.75 3 2 0 162 0.938 WAS Rick Tabaracci
3282 181 1 3.31 27 23 5 1531 0.882 WAS Don Beaupre
1421 83 0 3.50 13 9 2 681 0.878 WAS Jim Hrivnak
20 2 0 6.00 0 0 0 7 0.714 WAS Olaf Kolzig
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5085 286 3 3.37 43 34 7 2391 0.880 WAS
3476 193 3 3.33 26 26 5 1683 0.885 MIN Jon Casey
1596 97 1 3.65 10 12 5 803 0.879 MIN Darcy Wakaluk
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5090 293 4 3.45 36 38 10 2489 0.882 MIN
1429 75 0 3.15 11 10 4 716 0.895 BUF Dominik Hasek
1694 98 0 3.47 11 15 2 903 0.891 BUF Grant Fuhr
1306 78 0 3.58 11 5 4 706 0.890 BUF Daren Puppa
664 41 0 3.70 5 6 0 344 0.881 BUF Tom Draper
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5104 297 0 3.49 38 36 10 2674 0.889 BUF
2655 146 1 3.30 22 20 2 1314 0.889 NYI Glenn Healy
2253 130 0 3.46 17 15 5 1067 0.878 NYI Mark Fitzpatrick
157 10 0 3.82 1 2 0 78 0.872 NYI Danny Lorenz
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5088 297 1 3.50 40 37 7 2470 0.880 NYI
1939 110 0 3.40 18 9 4 947 0.884 QUE Stephane Fiset
2988 172 0 3.45 29 16 5 1525 0.887 QUE Ron Hextall
154 10 0 3.90 0 2 1 66 0.848 QUE Jacques Cloutier
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5101 300 0 3.53 47 27 10 2536 0.882 QUE
2672 151 2 3.39 19 21 3 1322 0.886 NJ Chris Terreri
2389 146 2 3.67 21 16 4 1180 0.876 NJ Craig Billington
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5080 299 4 3.53 40 37 7 2505 0.881 NJ
2757 152 4 3.31 20 18 7 1519 0.900 NYR John Vanbiesbrouck
224 14 0 3.75 1 2 1 116 0.879 NYR Corey Hirsch
2105 134 1 3.82 13 19 3 1184 0.887 NYR Mike Richter
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5108 308 5 3.62 34 39 11 2826 0.891 NYR
2512 143 5 3.42 20 17 6 1329 0.892 PHI Tommy Soderstrom
1769 111 1 3.76 13 11 5 932 0.881 PHI Dominic Roussel
802 59 0 4.41 3 9 0 405 0.854 PHI Stephane Beauregard
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5107 319 6 3.75 36 37 11 2672 0.881 PHI
3855 227 2 3.53 33 26 6 2119 0.893 WIN Bob Essensa
180 13 0 4.33 2 1 0 96 0.865 WIN Jim Hrivnak
959 70 0 4.38 5 10 0 502 0.861 WIN Rick Tabaracci
73 6 0 4.93 0 0 1 34 0.824 WIN Mike O'Neill
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5084 320 2 3.78 40 37 7 2755 0.884 WIN
1591 97 0 3.66 7 19 2 757 0.872 TB Wendell Young
1163 71 0 3.66 8 10 1 573 0.876 TB JC Bergeron
2268 150 1 3.97 8 24 4 1197 0.875 TB Pat Jablonski
45 7 0 9.33 0 1 0 21 0.667 TB David Littman
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5088 332 1 3.92 24 53 7 2557 0.870 TB
3753 240 1 3.84 17 38 6 2069 0.884 EDM Bill Ranford
1338 93 0 4.17 9 12 2 763 0.878 EDM Ron Tugnutt
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5099 337 1 3.97 26 50 8 2836 0.881 EDM
1735 111 0 3.84 15 8 4 987 0.888 LA Robb Stauber
2718 175 2 3.86 18 21 6 1545 0.887 LA Kelly Hrudey
532 35 0 3.95 6 4 0 294 0.881 LA Rick Knickle
98 13 0 7.96 0 2 0 51 0.745 LA David Goverde
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5100 340 2 4.00 39 35 10 2858 0.881 LA
11 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 3 1.000 HAR Corrie D'Alessio
168 9 0 3.21 1 1 1 87 0.897 HAR Mike Lenarduzzi
867 57 0 3.94 5 9 1 499 0.886 HAR Mario Gosselin
2656 184 0 4.16 16 27 3 1470 0.875 HAR Sean Burke
1373 111 0 4.85 4 15 1 784 0.858 HAR Frank Pietrangelo
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5097 369 0 4.34 26 52 6 2851 0.871 HAR
1326 95 0 4.30 2 17 1 743 0.872 OTT Daniel Berthiaume
3388 250 0 4.43 8 46 3 1711 0.854 OTT Peter Sidorkiewicz
90 10 0 6.67 0 2 0 44 0.773 OTT Darrin Madeley
249 30 0 7.23 0 5 0 146 0.795 OTT Steve Weeks
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5074 395 0 4.67 10 70 4 2656 0.851 OTT
2074 142 1 4.11 7 26 0 1250 0.886 SJ Arturs Irbe
60 5 0 5.00 0 1 0 46 0.891 SJ Wade Flaherty
2000 176 0 5.28 2 30 1 1220 0.856 SJ Jeff Hackett
930 86 0 5.55 2 14 1 559 0.846 SJ Brian Hayward
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5077 414 1 4.89 11 71 2 3079 0.866 SJ
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6,937 | I would appreciate it if someone could volunteer to verify the shots on goal
and save percentage numbers for me, so I can put these stats on the archive
site. Contact me by mail if you want to volunteer.
Here are the individual goalie stats as of: Wed Apr 21 09:09:38 CST 1993
These stats include games up to and including the Sunday previous to the date
listed above. They have been verified against what is printed in my newspaper
every Tuesday. They don't print shots and save percentage numbers, so those
are not verified. These stats are available by mail every weekday and
sometimes on weekends, if I'm in town and I can get late game results. Just
send me a note if you would like to receive these stats by mail.
If you have any questions, comments or suggestions, let me know.
Randy
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MP = Minutes Played, GA = Goals against,
SO = Shutouts, GAA = Goals against average
W = Wins, L = Losses, T = Ties
SOG = Shots on Goal, SV = Save Percentage
MP GA SO GAA W L T SOG SV TM Player
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1 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 1.000 WAS Byron Dafoe
11 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 3 1.000 HAR Corrie D'Alessio
40 1 0 1.50 0 0 0 19 0.947 MTL Frederick Chabot
25 1 0 2.40 0 0 0 10 0.900 BOS Mike Bales
2781 116 2 2.50 25 15 7 1287 0.910 TOR Felix Potvin
4106 177 7 2.59 41 18 11 1879 0.906 CHI Ed Belfour
1322 64 1 2.90 9 8 4 596 0.893 BOS John Blue
996 49 2 2.95 6 7 1 414 0.882 CHI Jim Waite
3702 186 4 3.01 43 14 5 1889 0.902 PIT Tom Barrasso
3890 196 1 3.02 29 28 9 2194 0.911 STL Curtis Joseph
1817 94 1 3.10 18 8 4 858 0.890 VAN Kay Whitmore
1429 75 0 3.15 11 10 4 716 0.895 BUF Dominik Hasek
3194 168 3 3.16 37 14 3 1354 0.876 BOS Andy Moog
1311 70 1 3.20 14 4 1 629 0.889 CAL Jeff Reese
3595 192 2 3.20 31 25 5 1813 0.894 MTL Patrick Roy
168 9 0 3.21 1 1 1 87 0.897 HAR Mike Lenarduzzi
1193 64 0 3.22 13 4 2 522 0.877 DET Vincent Riendeau
1785 96 2 3.23 17 7 4 938 0.898 TOR Daren Puppa
3880 210 4 3.25 34 24 7 1898 0.889 DET Tim Cheveldae
3732 203 2 3.26 29 26 9 1805 0.888 CAL Mike Vernon
2655 146 1 3.30 22 20 2 1314 0.889 NYI Glenn Healy
3359 185 1 3.30 24 24 6 1726 0.893 BUF Grant Fuhr
2757 152 4 3.31 20 18 7 1519 0.900 NYR John Vanbiesbrouck
3282 181 1 3.31 27 23 5 1531 0.882 WAS Don Beaupre
3476 193 3 3.33 26 26 5 1683 0.885 MIN Jon Casey
3261 184 3 3.39 28 21 5 1620 0.886 VAN Kirk McLean
2672 151 2 3.39 19 21 3 1322 0.886 NJ Chris Terreri
1433 81 1 3.39 17 5 1 686 0.882 MTL Andre Racicot
1939 110 0 3.40 18 9 4 947 0.884 QUE Stephane Fiset
2512 143 5 3.42 20 17 6 1329 0.892 PHI Tommy Soderstrom
1368 78 0 3.42 13 7 2 691 0.887 PIT Ken Wregget
542 31 0 3.43 5 4 0 225 0.862 BOS Reggie Lemelin
2988 172 0 3.45 29 16 5 1525 0.887 QUE Ron Hextall
2253 130 0 3.46 17 15 5 1067 0.878 NYI Mark Fitzpatrick
3855 227 2 3.53 33 26 6 2119 0.893 WIN Bob Essensa
1601 96 0 3.60 15 10 2 777 0.876 WIN Jim Hrivnak
1596 97 1 3.65 10 12 5 803 0.879 MIN Darcy Wakaluk
1591 97 0 3.66 7 19 2 757 0.872 TB Wendell Young
1163 71 0 3.66 8 10 1 573 0.876 TB JC Bergeron
2389 146 2 3.67 21 16 4 1180 0.876 NJ Craig Billington
1210 74 1 3.67 8 8 2 628 0.882 STL Guy Hebert
1302 80 2 3.69 8 12 0 664 0.880 WAS Rick Tabaracci
664 41 0 3.70 5 6 0 344 0.881 BUF Tom Draper
224 14 0 3.75 1 2 1 116 0.879 NYR Corey Hirsch
1769 111 1 3.76 13 11 5 932 0.881 PHI Dominic Roussel
2105 134 1 3.82 13 19 3 1184 0.887 NYR Mike Richter
157 10 0 3.82 1 2 0 78 0.872 NYI Danny Lorenz
3753 240 1 3.84 17 38 6 2069 0.884 EDM Bill Ranford
1735 111 0 3.84 15 8 4 987 0.888 LA Robb Stauber
2718 175 2 3.86 18 21 6 1545 0.887 LA Kelly Hrudey
154 10 0 3.90 0 2 1 66 0.848 QUE Jacques Cloutier
867 57 0 3.94 5 9 1 499 0.886 HAR Mario Gosselin
532 35 0 3.95 6 4 0 294 0.881 LA Rick Knickle
2268 150 1 3.97 8 24 4 1197 0.875 TB Pat Jablonski
2074 142 1 4.11 7 26 0 1250 0.886 SJ Arturs Irbe
2656 184 0 4.16 16 27 3 1470 0.875 HAR Sean Burke
1338 93 0 4.17 9 12 2 763 0.878 EDM Ron Tugnutt
1326 95 0 4.30 2 17 1 743 0.872 OTT Daniel Berthiaume
802 59 0 4.41 3 9 0 405 0.854 PHI Stephane Beauregard
3388 250 0 4.43 8 46 3 1711 0.854 OTT Peter Sidorkiewicz
65 5 0 4.62 0 0 1 39 0.872 CAL Andrei Trefilov
1373 111 0 4.85 4 15 1 784 0.858 HAR Frank Pietrangelo
73 6 0 4.93 0 0 1 34 0.824 WIN Mike O'Neill
60 5 0 5.00 0 1 0 46 0.891 SJ Wade Flaherty
2000 176 0 5.28 2 30 1 1220 0.856 SJ Jeff Hackett
930 86 0 5.55 2 14 1 559 0.846 SJ Brian Hayward
160 15 0 5.63 0 3 0 91 0.835 TOR Rick Wamsley
20 2 0 6.00 0 0 0 7 0.714 WAS Olaf Kolzig
90 10 0 6.67 0 2 0 44 0.773 OTT Darrin Madeley
249 30 0 7.23 0 5 0 146 0.795 OTT Steve Weeks
98 13 0 7.96 0 2 0 51 0.745 LA David Goverde
45 7 0 9.33 0 1 0 21 0.667 TB David Littman
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4,645 | Just a side note, squid/octopi made their way to the ice in Buffalo.
I still don't understand why Buffalo, but maybe it's lucky. :-) btw,
they shovel them up from the ice here, using the shovel used to scoop
up the snow the zamboni leaves as it leaves the ice. Although Blue
did give some technical directions on its removal, motioning with his
stick.
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3,276 |
From his Topps "rookie" year (as coach) card (74-75):
"For the past couple of seasons, Don has been the highly-successful
coach of the Rochester Americans of the AHL, but he is getting his
first shot at an NHL job with the Bruins. Named Coach of the Year
in the AHL the last two years, and he aims to make the Bruins a
rough team again, as they were a couple of years back. Although
he played 16 seasons of professional hockey, Don never played a
regular-season NHL game. He did appear in one playoff game for
Boston in 1956-57. Don's brother, Dick, played two seasons in the
NHL with Boston and Philadelphia."
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