diff --git "a/val.csv" "b/val.csv" new file mode 100644--- /dev/null +++ "b/val.csv" @@ -0,0 +1,53189 @@ +,text,label +7337,"From: bakerjp1@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Baker John P. PDD x4895 ) +Subject: How does ""Differential Mode"" GPS work??? +Summary: Explaination of DGPS system +Keywords: GPS, differential, navigation, radio +Organization: JHU/Applied Physics Laboratory +Lines: 46 + + +>I understand that the new GPS boxes now have an option +>known as ""differential ready"". Apparently land-based +>beacons tranmit GPS correction information to your GPS +>receiver (with differential option installed). + +>How does this system work? What frequency is used for +>the land-based beacons? + +>Thanks in advance, + +>Charlie Thompson +>. + +Here's a rough sketch of how the system works. A reference station +with a very exactly known position computes the errors in the +incoming GPS signals. These errors are due to several factors +including atmospheric distortion, SA (Selective Availability) time +dithering, etc. The reference unit contains complex computational +equipment to ""back out"" the errors in its position (since it knows +where it is already). It then transmits these corrections on a +broadcast which is available to any number of relatively local +receivers. If the receivers are nearby (<300km) and are using +the same satellites as the reference unit, the errors should be very +similar for the reference unit and the receiver unit. Thus, the +receiver unit may apply the corrections calculated by the reference +unit. + +The US Coast Guard is currently (as far as I know) installing a series +of coastline transmitters for differential GPS. These stations will +use existing radio towers. I believe the frequency is to be approximately +305 kHz. There are many other private corporations offering DGPS signals +on different frequencies. For example, PinPoint ((310)-618-7076) offers +correction signals and receiver units using an FM broadcast system +which has stations all across the US. + +The correction codes are usually transmitted using the RTCM 104 format. +Advertised accuracies espouse 1 to 5 meter errors. + + +------------------------------------------------------------------------- +John P. Baker | My opinions are my own. I don't know +Johns Hopkins University | anyone else who wants them, anyway. +Applied Physics Laboratory | +Laurel, MD 20723 | bakerjp1@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- +",12 +7348,"From: harton@owlnet.rice.edu (Tracy Brian Harton) +Subject: Wireless Transmitter/Receivers at RS +Organization: Rice University +Lines: 12 + + +Does anyone know what frequencies the wireless transmitter/receiver +microphone systems that Radio Shack sells operate at? I've tried +everything short of opening one up (not actually owning one makes +this difficult...) and just looking.. Any help would be greatly +appreciated.. These systems are designed for wireless PA systems, etc.. + + + Thanks, + + Tracy + +",12 +5464,"From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) +Subject: Re: Dodgers Take 2 Straight From Pirates +Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) +Lines: 25 + +In article <1qqob2INNqev@mizar.usc.edu> pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) writes: + + +>Davis and Strawberry attributed their turn arounds to Reggie Smith, +>the Dodger batting coach who flew in from Florida three days +>ago and gave them a pep talk and some instruction. Davis was +>4-5 yesterday and had a couple more hits today. Strawberry +>had two hits yesterday and I believe he had two more today, with +>two home runs. + + +Foolish me. And here I thought it had something to do with the +fact that they were hitting against Wakefield, who had no ""kncukle"" +to his ball that day, and Otto, who has no stuff. I wonder if +Reggie gave the same pep talk and instruction to the rest of the +lineup, who also suddenly came alive those two games. + + + +-- The Beastmaster + + +-- +Mark Singer +mss@netcom.com +",9 +10831,"From: kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) +Subject: Drug Use Up At Younger Age +Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater +Keywords: youths drugs LSD inhalants +Lines: 62 + + +The article that follows was taken from the Wednesday, April 14, +1993 issue of USA Today (""Drug Use Up At Younger Age"" by Mike +Snider, p. 1A). + + Drug use is on the rise among kids as young as eighth graders - + usually 13 - and they're using more LSD and inhalants like glue + and air fresheners, says a new survey. + + The annual National High School Senior Survey on Drug Abuse finds + ""statistically significant increases"" in eighth-graders' use of + many drugs, including marijuana, cocaine, crack, LSD and inhalants. + + ""We may be in danger of losing some ... hard-won ground (in reducing + drug use) as a new, more naive generation of youngsters enters + adolescence,"" says Lloyd Johnston, University of Michigan, chief + researcher on the study sponsored by the Department of Health and + Human Services. + + But drug use among high school seniors is continuing a decade-long + decline. + + The study of 50,000 students shows the percentage who tried the + following in the 30 days before they were polled: + + * 8th-graders - alcohol 26%; cigarettes 16%; marijuana 4%; + cocaine 0.7%. + + * 10th-graders - alcohol 40%; cigarettes 22%; marijuana 8%; + cocaine 0.7%. + + * 12th-graders - alcohol 51%; cigarettes 28%; marijuana 12%; + cocaine 1.3%. + + Among 12th-graders, use of marijuana, cocaine and inhalants + declined over the year before. Not so with LSD. + + * 2% of eighth-graders have tried LSD in the last year, up 24% + over 1991. + + * Use of LSD among seniors is at its highest point since 1982; 6% + tried it in the last year. + + Reducing drug use among students ""requires a different kind of + strategy"" that Health Secretary Donna Shalala says will be part + of an overall illness prevention plan. + + The survey shows drugs are easier to get and fewer eighth-graders + disapprove of them. + + ""It's scary,"" Shalala says. ""Dealers are focusing on younger, more + vulnerable kids."" + + +Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot + +Before: ""David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets + the Bible through the barrel of a gun..."" --ATF spokesman +After: ""[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets + [the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun..."" --Me + + +",18 +5140,"From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) +Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die +Organization: Elect Armts Div, US Army Armt RDE Ctr, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ +Lines: 24 +Nntp-Posting-Host: b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil + +mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) wrote: +> +> egreen@east.sun.com writes: +> >tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes: +> [...] +> >>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we +> >>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or +> >>how long it would take me to push my horn button?? +> [...] +> >The answer is 161.33 feet. +> [...] +> +> Try something like 24.2 feet. +> +> EdGetACalculator + +Right. ROM numbers (easy to remember) 100 mph ~= 150 ft/sec. + + tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil + + ""Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive, +difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind- +boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."" + --gene spafford, 1992 +",8 +7081,"From: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV (M.L. 'Broomen' Behnke) +Subject: Re: Peltier Effect Heat Pumps +Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab +Lines: 66 +Reply-To: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV +NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov + +In article <2745@snap>, paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) writes: +> +>I was having a look through a couple of components catalogues when I +>came across a range of Peltier Effect heat pumps intended for cooling +>components. For those who have not heard of this effect, you put a +>current through one of these devices, and it pumps heat from one side +>to the other. Reverse the current and you reverse the effect. I +>think a temperature difference can give you an EMF as well. +> +>Anyway, it struck me that you could make a nice cool/hot box for +>picnics with one of these, a power regulator, a thermostat and a +>couple of heat sinks. The biggest device can shift 60W with an +>efficiency of 80-90%, which ain't bad (although it would flatten my +>car battery in about half an hour). +> + So-Called Cool-Hot boxes have been advetised for several years. I recall +Damark advertising them in a recent catalog. Problem with the units is they do +a sh***y job of keeping food cold/warm. The peliter devices used just don't +seem to have enough punch to keep up. If you want something hot, you need to +heat it up before you put it in the box, and end up hours later with food thats +only moderately warm. Same goes for cold items. + +>Unfortunately the catalogue didn't list anything more than the basic +>specs as a heat pump. I imagine that you would get a back-EMF as the +>temperature gradient across the device increases. If so, presumably +>its power decreases as the back-EMF increases, until eventually we +>have a steady state with no current being consumed (assuming no +>leakage). If so, then the final temperature difference between the +>two sides could be set by the supply voltage and nothing more +>(although that would be a lousy way to control it). +> +>What I would like to know is: +> +>1: Are the above guesses correct? +> +>2: What is the open-circuit thermal resistance of a typical device? +> (I just want to be sure that my coolbox is not going to get warm +> too fast when I unplug it) + + You'de probably be better off getting a good Coleman(tm) cooler and stocking +up on ""blue ice"" blocks. + +> +>3: How does a Peltier Effect heat pump actually work? It looks like +> magic! +> +>4: Why don't they use these things in domestic fridges/freezers? +> + Same as above. Not enough ""punch"" in them to keep/get things cold/hot. +> +>Thanks in advance, +> +>Paul. +> +>Paul Johnson (paj@gec-mrc.co.uk). | Tel: +44 245 73331 ext 3245 +>--------------------------------------------+---------------------------------- +>These ideas and others like them can be had | GEC-Marconi Research is not +>for $0.02 each from any reputable idealist. | responsible for my opinions +Mike Behnke | Senior Tech/Advisor | Quid est illuidin aqua?? +Fermi Nat Accel Lab | Equipment Suuport | +Batavia, Il. | Computing Div | PISTRIX!! PISTRIX!! +BEHNKE@FNALF.FNAL.GOV | | + +My opinions are my own, not of the lab. So, if you don't like them, call + +1-800-UWH-INER +",12 +6986,"From: w1gsl@athena.mit.edu (Steven L. Finberg) +Subject: New England Ham - Electronic Fleamarket Dates ** 1 April update ** +Keywords: Fleamarkets Swaps Ham Radio Computers Electronics +Article-I.D.: senator-.1peffgINNarc +Expires: 6 May 1993 +Distribution: na +Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology +Lines: 112 +NNTP-Posting-Host: e40-008-5.mit.edu + + + + +New England Area Major Flea Market *** DATES *** 1993 P 1 of 2 +All events are Ham Radio/ Electronic related except ~_____~ +******************************************************************************* +1993 Contact Source +******************************************************************************* + +3 April Upper Saddle River NJ CRRC 9-3 sell @8 Jack W2EHD 201 768 8360 D + +4 April Southington CT SARA @HS $20@6:3 $10@8:3 $3@9 N1GCV 203 621 6191 F + +17 April Nashua NH NE Antique RC $5@8 $1@9 @ Res Ctr Church Ray 508 865 1290 + +18 April Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F + buy $2@9A sellers $10/sp@7A $8in adv $35 for season pass + 3rd Sunday Each Month April thru October + +18 April Webster MA ECARA @ Pt Breeze Rest $3 tables $10 Gary 203 974 2564 F + +18 April Agawam MA HCRA @ Southwick Rec Ctr $3@9A Bob W1ZGP 203 653 0715 F + +23,24,25 April Dayton OH adm $11 sell $30/50++ evenings 513 767 1107 F + +2 May Yonkers NY @Lincoln HS Otto WB2SLQ 914 969 1053 A + +7-8 May Rochester NH Hoss Traders @FG ex13 off rt 16 $5 noon fri WA1IVB sase + +15 May N Smithfield RI RIFMRS @VFW Main St 8A Rick K1KYI 401 725 7507 + +16 May Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F + +16 May Pittsfield MA @Taconic HS Sell $5@7 Buy $2@8 Cliff W1SJV 413 743 3334 + +21-22-23 May Rochester NY ARRL-NY Conv @ Monroe FG Harold K2HC 800 724 8515 F + +5 June S Burlington VT Mitch WB2JSJ 802 879 6589 + +6 June Newington CT @HS Flea Les KA1KRP 203 523 0453 + +12 June Bangor ME Pine St ARC @Hermon ES 146.34/94 8AM-$2 Roger 207 848 3846 + +20 June Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F + +17 July Nashua NH NE Antique RC $5@8 $1@9 @ Res Ctr Church Ray 508 865 1290 + +17 July Union ME @ Fairground $3@7AM State Conv Skeet KA1LPW 207 622 2915 + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +LAST UPDATE 3-29-93 de W1GSL P 1 of 2 +******************************************************************************* +Additions/ Corrections via Internet w1gsl@athena.mit.edu + US Mail W1GSL POB 82 MIT Br Cambridge MA 02139 + SASE for updated copy as issued. + + + +1993 Contact Source +******************************************************************************* + +18 July Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F + 3rd Sunday Each Month April thru October + +24 July Manchester NH NHARA @HI 8A$4 NE DC 300Ts (no TG) WB1HBB 603 432 6011 F + +8 Aug White Planes NY WECAfest Sarah N2EYX 914 962 9666 D + +8 Aug Wellseley MA WARS+BARS @Babson College Barry WN1N 508 877 4947 T + +14 Aug St Albans ME @ Snow Mobile Club Hitch K1HHC 207 796 2282 + +15 Aug Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F + +29 Aug Fall River MA BCRA Tom WA1LBK 508 674 4163 T+ + +11 Sept Windsor ME @ Fairground $3@7AM Skeet KA1LPW 207 622 2915 + +12 Sept Gaithersburg MD FAR @Mg Cty FG $5@6A- $7TG Nancy Drahim 703 691 0078 J + +12 Sept S Dartmouth MA SE Mass ARA 8A- Dan N1HCV 508 933 0678 + + +19 Sept Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F + +19 Sept Sandy Hook CT Candlewood ARA Harold KB1US A + +25 Sept Greenbush ME WCSN/BARC @WCSN xmtr Ed Cockburn 207 732 4366 + +26 Sept Framingham MA @ HS $12@8 $5@9 $2@10 Barry WN1N 508 877 4947 F + +26 Sept Yonkers NY Metro 70 ARC Otto WB2SLQ 914 969 1053 A + +15,16 Oct Rochester NH Hoss Traders @FG ex13 off rt 16 $5 noon fri K1RQG + +17 Oct Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F + +13 Nov Plymouth MA Mayflower RC @Mem Hall 9-3 sell@8 Jim NM1F 508 747 2224 + +14 Nov Branford CT SCARA @intrm sch Brad WA1TAS 203 265 9983 T +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +LAST UPDATE 3-29-93 de W1GSL P 2 of 2 +Source F= Flyer J= John Roberts list A= ARRL list WR NV 73 CQ QST = Mags + T= tentative early info D= W1DL + = new info this month +This list has been compiled from many sources. While we believe the info to +be accurate the author can not be responsible for changes or errors. +Check with the sponsoring organizations for more details. +This list will be posted monthly to Usenet if additions have been made. +Mailed copies are sent when additions are made. +******************************************************************************* +Additions/ Corrections via Internet w1gsl@athena.mit.edu + US Mail W1GSL POB 82 MIT Br Cambridge MA 02139 + SASE for updated copy as issued. +",12 +4150,"From: colombo@bronco.fnal.gov (Rick 'Open VMS 4ever' Colombo) +Subject: Re: Do trains/busses have radar? +Nntp-Posting-Host: bronco.fnal.gov +Organization: Fermilab Computing Division +Lines: 27 + +In article , mliggett@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (matthew liggett) writes: +> In <1993Apr13.111652@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes: +> +> +>> While taking an extended Easter vacation, I was going north on I-45 +>> somewhere between Centerville, TX and Dallas, TX and I came upon a +>> train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over +>> the northbound lanes. There appeared to be movement within the cab +>> and out of curiosity I slowed to 85 to get a better look. Just as I +>> passed from underneath the trestle, my radar detector went into full +>> alert - all lights lit and all chirps, beeps, and buzzes going strong. +>> I thought I had been nailed good but no police materialized. +> +>> Could this have been caused by the train's radio or what? +> +> + +I don't know about trains, but I've saw a sign on the back of a +Greyhound bus that warns you that your radar detector may be set off. +It doesn't explain why, but it does set off my radar detector. + +___________________________________________________________________________ +***** * * From the e-net desk of: Rick Colombo CD/DCD/DSG * * +* ** * Fermi Nat'l Acc'l Lab 708-840-8225 Fermilab * * * +*** * * * P.O. Box 500 MS 369 Feynman Computer Center ***** * +* * ** Batavia, Ill. USA 60510 Colombo@fnal.fnal.gov * * ***** +* Of course I speak for: Fermilab, Congress and the President... NOT!!! +",7 +10696,"From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia) +Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage +Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu +Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York +Lines: 51 + +In dans@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan S.) writes: + +>brian@gab.unt.edu (Brian ""Drakula"" Stone) writes: + +>(No axe to grind here I'm just a scientist and I hate to see statistics abused.) + +Pity you didn't say something about the use of statistics to justify +targeting and persecuting a minority, then. + +>>Men are men and they all like sex. I am a gay male. I have had sex three +>>times in my life, all with the same man. Before that, I was a virgin. + +>I am a hetero man and have had sex with one woman in my life (my wife). It is +>very pleasing to me to be able to say that. I hope you have the same feeling +>as I do. I also wish that you could (if you wanted) experience the joys and +>trials of being committed to someone for life (there is something about marriage +>that makes the commitment much greater than one might expect). + +What in the Tree makes you think we queers CAN'T experience that commitment? +What's stopping us from committing to one partner for the rest of our lives? +I have every intention of doing so, once I find the right person...and +whether that person is male or female, I seriously doubt that a church +ceremony/public vow/licence will make any difference whatsoever in the sort +of commitment I experience with that person. You have no conception of the +difference marriage makes since you have never known any other way. + + +>>Statistics alone prove that most criminals are by default hetero... + +>Don't forget about the culture. Sadly, we don't (as a society) look upon +>homosexuality as normal (and as we are all too well aware, there are alot +>of people who condemn it). As a result, the gay population is not encouraged +>to develop ""non-promiscuous"" relationships. In fact there are many roadblocks +>put in the way of such committed relationships. It is as if the heterosexual +>community puts these blocks there so as to perpetuate the claim that gays +>are immoral. ""My, if we allowed gays to marry, raise children ... we might +>just find out they're as moral as we are, can't have that can we?"" + +You're getting to the right idea here...just be careful of making statements +like the above, and you'll be part of the solution and not the problem. + +>Just some thoughts. Flame away. :) + +No flames necessary. :) + +Drywid +-- +----bi Andrew D. Simchik SCHNOPIA! +\ ---- as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu TreeWater + \\ / + \/ ""Words Weren't Made For Cowards""--Happy Rhodes +",18 +2173,"From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner) +Subject: Re: Soundblaster IRQ and Port settings +Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com +Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon +Lines: 19 + +[] + + ""These LPT1, COM1, disk controller are call devices. There are + devices that requires exclusive interrupt ownership, eg. disk + controller (I6) and keyboard (I1). There are also devices that + does not require exclusive ownership, ie. it will share an + interrupt with another device, eg. LPT1"" + +No. In a standard ISA bus, the one that almost all non-laptop PCs use, +two separate interface cards cannot share an interrupt. This is due to +a screwup in the bus design. For example, if your Soundblaster wants +to drive interrupt number 7, then it must hold a certain bus wire to 0 +or 1 at all times, depending on whether or not it wants an interrupt. +This precludes letting another card assert interrupt number 7. + +When two or more devices in an ISA bus PC share an interrupt, it's +because they're implemented by a single card. + + -=- Andrew Klossner (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com) +",3 +3152,"From: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon) +Subject: Re: Title for XTerm +Keywords: XTerm +Nntp-Posting-Host: eos6c02.ericsson.se +Reply-To: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon) +Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB +Lines: 21 + +In article <1r3fe2INN10d@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE> +markhof@ls12r.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Ingolf Markhof) writes: +[...] +|> I have an +|> +|> alias precmd echo -n '^[]2\;${HOST}:$cwd^G' +|> +|> in my ~/.tcshrc. This is a special alias for tvtwm. + +I presume that you meant to say tcsh here ------^^^^^ + +-- + +Michael Salmon + +#include +#include +#include + +Ericsson Telecom AB +Stockholm +",5 +1034,"From: danj@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Dan Jacobson) +Subject: Re: Is there an FTP achive for USGS terrain data +Organization: Johns Hopkins Univ. Welch Medical Library +Lines: 123 + + +diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) writes: + +>Is there an FTP archive for United States Geological Services (USGS) +>terrain data? If so, where? + +Point your gopher client at merlot.welch.jhu.edu + +and select the following directories: + + --> 13. Search and Retrieve Software/ + + --> 8. Search and Retrieve Graphics Software and Data/ + + +And you'll see - + + + + + --> 1. Graphics Online Bibliography (ACM SIGGRAPH)/ + 2. Graphics Software and Data Archives (ftp sites)/ + 3. Search All Graphics Information + 4. Search Comp.graphics FAQ + 5. Search Graphics Resources (Software and Data) + 6. Search Pictures Utilities FAQ + + + 1. Graphics Online Bibliography (ACM SIGGRAPH)/ + + Searches and archives of bibliographic database that covers + graphics literature for over a hundred years (served + by a gopher hole in Austria). + + + 2. Graphics Software and Data Archives (ftp sites)/ + + Has links to over 70 sites around the world which + have software and/or data for computer graphics. + This can be used on its own or as a companion to the + searches found in this directory which will point you + toward software and data at various places. + + + 3. Search All Graphics Information + 4. Search Comp.graphics FAQ + 5. Search Graphics Resources (Software and Data) + 6. Search Pictures Utilities FAQ + + + These searches contain a wealth of information about + computer graphics, data, software, techniques etc... + + 3. Search All Graphics Information + + Will simply search all of the information contained + in searches 4, 5, and 6. + + 4. Search Comp.graphics FAQ + + Lets you search the FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) + from the Comp.graphics newsgroup compiled by John + Grieggs at the JPL. + + 5. Search Graphics Resources (Software and Data) + + Lets you search the Grpahics Resource Listing of + software and data provided by Nick Fotis at the + National Technical Univ. of Athens. + + 6. Search Pictures Utilities FAQ + + Lets you search the FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) + from the Alt.binaries.pixutils newsgroup compiled by + Jim Howard at Cadence. + + +Select: + + --> 3. Search All Graphics Information + +And search for: + +usgs + + +And you'll find out some information about USGS data availability. + +Now select: + + --> 2. Graphics Software and Data Archives (ftp sites)/ + +and you might find the following interesting: + + --> 12. Cartographic data - USGS data (Xerox)/ + + --> 42. Mapgen/Plotgen and more (USGS)/ + + --> 68. USGS Weekly Seismicity Reports (including maps - GIF)/ + + --> 68. USGS Earth Science Data Directory/ + (This actually is a database of available data - search + it for terrain - could prove quite useful.) + +One other place to look is only available by anonymous ftp at +the moment - + +US Geological Survey Maps - isdres.er.usgs.gov (130.11.48.2). + + +If you've never heard of gopher don't worry it's free and on the net, +write me a note if you'd like information on how to get started. + + +Best of luck, + +Dan Jacobson + +danj@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu + +Johns Hopkins University + + +",1 +4308,"From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) +Subject: Re: Do trains/busses have radar? +Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu +Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA +Lines: 32 + +In article <1993Apr15.111910.1@bronco.fnal.gov> colombo@bronco.fnal.gov (Rick 'Open VMS 4ever' Colombo) writes: +> +>I don't know about trains, but I've saw a sign on the back of a +>Greyhound bus that warns you that your radar detector may be set off. +>It doesn't explain why, but it does set off my radar detector. + +Because Greyhound has apparently gotten around to installing their +RADAR collision-prevention system. They use RADAR to monitor how close +other vehicles are and how fast their relative speeds are, and signals +a warning to the driver if they're coming up on something too fast +or are getting too close. + +This is all I remember from the news reports a few months back; at +the time, they were only talking about the possibility of installing +the system. (They didn't mention how it worked in bumper-to-bumper +traffic, or how it discriminated between a Camaro approaching at +120mph and ye olde bridge support in the median being approached +at 60mph on a curve.) + +I do recall something about progressive stages of warnings, from +flashing lights to audible warnings--ie, it goes from a red ""Too +close"" light to hysterically screaming ""WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!"" :-) + + James + +James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center +Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu +DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... + The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC + ""It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has + and all he's ever gonna have."" + --Will Munny, ""Unforgiven"" +",7 +2716,"From: adamsj@gtewd.mtv.gtegsc.com +Subject: Apple CD300 CDROM ""freebies"". +Organization: GTE Govt. Systems, Electronics Def. Div. +Lines: 19 + +In article <1quod6$i3n@menudo.uh.edu>, sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu writes: +> ... reseller. I've also heard rumors that they are bundled with a couple of CD's, +> but I can't confirm it. +> +> Sunny ===>sunnyt@dna.bchs.uh.edu + +I've got two CD300's... The first one i ordered Jan 15, and I received it Feb. 20. +The second one I ordered Jan 20th, and I just got it April 2nd or so. Anyway, they +both come with 10 misc. CDROMs... Things like a ""Intro to Nautilis"", a sample CD +of Kodak pictures, ""From Alice to Ocean"" (a story of a woman who treked across +Austrailia), 3 discs from apple, a games disc, an applications disc, and a ""titles"" +disc (haven't checked most of these out yet). Also some ""Cinderella"" thing for kids, +a disc of Mozart something-or-others, etc. etc. etc. If someone's super interested, +I'll make a list of the exact titles and post them. They are all in the category of +""Interesting, but probably fairly useless..."". It was rumored that the earliest +units shipped with SOME encyclocpedia (it may have), but neither of my drives had +that. + +-jeff adams- +",4 +4749,"From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) +Subject: Re: Fat Boy versus ZX-11 (new math) +Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca +Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta +Lines: 32 + +In article <1pimfd$cre@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes: +>In article klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes: +>>In <1993Apr1.130432.11009@bnr.ca> npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes: +>>>Manual Velcro, on the 31 Mar 93 09:19:29 +0200 wibbled: +>>>: But 14 is greater than 11, or 180 is greater than 120, or ... +>>>No! 10 is the best of all. +>>No No No! +>> It should be obvious that 8 is the best number by far. Last year 10 +>>was hot but with the improvements to 8 this year there can be no +>>question. +> +>Hell, my Dad used to have an old 5 that would beat out today's 8 without +>breaking a sweat. +> +>(Well, in the twisties, anyway.) +> +>This year's 8 is just too cumbersome for practical use in anything other +>than repeating decimals. +> +Remember the good old days, when Hexadecimals, and even Binaries +were still legal? Sure, they smoked a little blue stuff out the +pipes, but I had a hex 7 that could slaughter any decimal 10 on +the road. Sigh, such nostalgia! + +Regards, Charles +DoD0,001 +RZ350 +-- +Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of +separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, +struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing +gourd. --Unknown net.person +",8 +7452,"From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall) +Subject: Re: Building a UV flashlight +Organization: RAND +Lines: 26 +Nntp-Posting-Host: ives.rand.org + +In article jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson) writes: +>One other thing: a friend of mine mentioned something about near-UV +>light being cheaper to get at than actual UV light. Does anyone +>know what he was referring to? + +I don't want to get into a semantic argument, but contrary to some other +postings ""near UV light"" /is/ ""actual UV light."" The ""near"" means that +it is close to the visible spectrum (i.e. of relatively long wavelength), +not that it is ""nearly UV."" (I'm sure you can figure out now just what +""far UV"" is.) + +Regular incandenscent flashlight bulbs emit tiny amounts of UV in the +near end of the spectrum, such that a filter can be used to remove the +visible light and thus create a weak UV source. Stronger sources are +going to require gas (probably mercury vapor) discharge tubes (such as +fluorescent tubes with UV phosphor). Be careful, though; strong UV +sources can cause physiological damage, especially to the eyes. The +shorter wavelengths are the most dangerous. + +It wouldn't project a beam like a flashlight, but replacing the tubes +in a portable fluorescent lantern with UV tubes would be a relatively +cheap way to create a portable source. It would be bright enough to +be useful, but not dangerously so. + + -Ed Hall + edhall@rand.org +",12 +730,"From: tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) +Subject: PaintProgram Wanted +Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor +Lines: 8 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: antithesis.engin.umich.edu + +Excuse the sheer newbieness of this post, but I am looking for a decent +PaintProgram which will save to various file formats (.BMP .PCX etc etc) +via ftp, freeware, or shareware. I would like to check out the available +programs for little $$ before I check out the commercial market. + +Thanks in advance for any help or direction you can give me. + +Daemon +",1 +10038,"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) +Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! +Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University +Lines: 57 + +In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: + +[most of Brads post deleted.] + +>we have come to accept and deal with, the Lebanese Resistance +>on the other hand is not going to stop its attacks on OCCUPYING +>ISRAELI SOLDIERS until they withdraw, this is the only real +>leverage that they have to force Israel to withdraw. + + Tell me, do these young men also attack Syrian troops? + + +>with the blood of its soldiers. If Israel is interested in peace, +>than it should withdraw from OUR land. + + There must be a guarantee of peace before this happens. It +seems that many of these Lebanese youth are unable to restrain +themselves from violence, and unable to to realize that their actions +prolong Israels stay in South Lebanon. + + If the Lebanese army was able to maintain the peace, then +Israel would not have to be there. Until it is, Israel prefers that +its soldiers die rather than its children. + + +>If Israel really wants to save some Israeli lives it would withdraw +>unilaterally from the so-called ""Security Zone"" before the conclusion +>of the peace talks. Such a move would save Israeli lives, +>advance peace efforts, give Israel a great moral lift, better Israel's +>public image abroad and give it an edge in the peace negociations +>since Israel can rightly claim that it is genuinely interested in +>peace and has already offered some important concessions. + + Israel should withdraw from Lebanon when a peace treaty is +signed. Not a day before. Withdraw because of casualties would tell +the Lebanese people that all they need to do to push Israel around is +kill a few soldiers. Its not gonna happen. + +>Along with such a withdrawal Israel could demand that Hizbollah +>be disarmed by the Lebanese government and warn that it will not +>accept any attacks against its northern cities and that if such a +>shelling occurs than it will consider re-taking the buffer zone +>and will hold the Lebanese and Syrian government responsible for it. + + + Why should Israel not demand this while holding the buffer +zone? It seems to me that the better bargaining position is while +holding your neighbors land. If Lebanon were willing to agree to +those conditions, Israel would quite probably have left already. +Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that the Lebanese can disarm the +Hizbolah, and maintain the peace. + +Adam +Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu + +""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure +wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow +",17 +9122,"From: news@cbnewsk.att.com +Subject: Re: anger +Organization: AT&T Bell Labs +Lines: 31 + +>Paul Conditt writes: +>>In case you couldn't tell, I get *extremely* angry and upset when +>>I see things like this. Instead of rationalizing our own fears and +>>phobias, we need to be reaching out to people with AIDS and other +>>socially unacceptable diseases. Whether they got the disease through +>>their own actions or not is irrelevant. They still need Jesus... + +Aaron Bryce Cardenas) writes: +>The first issue you bring up is your anger. It is ""obvious""ly wrong to +>be angry (Gal 5:19-20) for any reason, especially *extremely* angry +>which is on par with hatred. Jesus has every reason to be angry at us +>for putting him on the cross with our sin, yet his prayer was ""forgive +>them Father, they know not what they do."" ... + +I don't know why it is so obvious. We are not speaking of acts of the +flesh. We are just speaking of emotions. Emotions are not of themselves +moral or immoral, good or bad. Emotions just are. The first step is +not to label his emotion as good or bad or to numb ourselves so that +we hide our true feelings, it is to accept ourselves as we are, as God +accepts us. It seems that Paul's anger he has accepted and channeled +it to a plea to all of us to refrain from passing judgement on those +afflicted with a disease and to reach out to others. Give in? Calling +his arguments foolish, belittling them to only quarrels, avoiding action +because of fear to give others a bad feeling, he's not forgiving? + +Re-think it, Aaron. Don't be quick to judge. He has forgiven those with +AIDS, he has dealt with and taken responsibility for his feelings and made +appropriate choices for action on such feelings. He has not given in to +his anger. + +Joe Moore +",15 +937,"From: chert@dungeon.cirr.com (Chert Pellett) +Subject: Epson (HPGL) 4 pen plotter W/340 Pens $500 / B.O. +Summary: HP compataible +Keywords: Plotter HP Epson +Organization: Dis- +Distribution: usa +Lines: 30 + +Greetings, + I have an Epson HI-80 4 pen plotter forsale. It emulates an HP 7570 +or 7574 - I'm not sure which. It has an option board on it that does +the emulation. It has a serial interface with Hardware handshake. I +also have 340 Pens for it as follows: 10 packs of 4 Black Oil based, 16 +packs of 4 Red,Green, Blue, and Black pens, 22 packs of 4 Aqueous Black, +7 packs of 4 Aqueous R,G,Blue,Black, 1 pack of 6 Aqueous Multi color +pens, and 114 assorted non-packaged pens mostly colored. + + The plotter is used. I have tested it using the Windows drivers for +HP 7570 and HP 7574 and both worked fine. It accepts either A or B +sized paper. (8.5 x 11 or 11x17). + + I figure that the plotter is worth about $300 and the pens are worth at +least another $200 more.. One thing is certain, you won't need to +purchase any pens for quite a while... All of the packaged pens were +sealed so they are all still fresh. The rest were capped and seem to +function as well. + + I'd be willing to sell the pens seperate if anyone is interested in +just them. + + I'm selling it because I got a HP LaserJet and I don't need color. + + I'd like $350 or best offer... + + -Chert +-- +Chert Pellett - chert@dungeon.cirr.com || chert@dungeon.lonestar.org +PANIC: The cat is nibbling on the power cord! +",1 +10114,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) +Subject: Re: Zionism is Racism +Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu +Organization: University of California, Irvine +Lines: 17 + +In article <20APR93.23565659.0109@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B8HA000 writes: +>In Re:Syria's Expansion, the author writes that the UN thought +>Zionism was Racism and that they were wrong. They were correct +>the first time, Zionism is Racism and thankfully, the McGill Daily +>(the student newspaper at McGill) was proud enough to print an article +>saying so. If you want a copy, send me mail. +> +>Steve +> + +I know this paper well, and see it for the exercise in selective morality +and judgement it is. Until such time as it recognizes that *any* religiously +based government is racist, exclusionary and simply built on a philosophy +of ""separate but equal"" second-class treatment of minorities, it will +continue to be known for its bias. If Jewish nationalism is racism, so is +Islam; anywhere where people are allotted ""different rights"" according to +race, religion or culture is ""racist"". +",17 +2459,"From: drlovemd@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve Liu) +Subject: What is the current Rom Version shipping in Syquest drives? +Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF +Lines: 4 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +The title says it all. I need to know the 44, 88, and 88c rom versions. + +Steve :-) + +",4 +10116,"From: friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) +Subject: Re: Zionism is Racism +Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University +Lines: 26 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) +NNTP-Posting-Host: silver.egr.msu.edu + +In article <20APR93.23565659.0109@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, B8HA000 writes: +|> In Re:Syria's Expansion, the author writes that the UN thought +|> Zionism was Racism and that they were wrong. They were correct +|> the first time, Zionism is Racism and thankfully, the McGill Daily +|> (the student newspaper at McGill) was proud enough to print an article +|> saying so. If you want a copy, send me mail. + +If you want info claiming that blacks were brought to earth 60 trillion +years ago by Aliens from the plante Shabazz, I can send you literature from +the Nation of Islam (Farrakhan's group) who believe this. + +If you want info claiming that the Holocaust never happened, I can send you +info from IHR (Institute for Historical Review - David Irving's group), or +just read Dan Gannon's posts on alt.revisionism. + +I just wanted to put Steve's post in with the company that it deserves. + +|> Steve + +Gedaliah Friedenberg +-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering +-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science +-=-Michigan State University + + + +",17 +6386,"Organization: Penn State University +From: Robbie Po +Subject: Re: Devils and Islanders tiebreaker???? +Lines: 14 + +In article , enolan@sharkbite.esd.sgi.com (Ed +Nolan) says: +>If the Islanders beat the Devils tonight, they would finish with +>identical records. Who's the lucky team that gets to face the Penguins +>in the opening round? Also, can somebody list the rules for breaking +>ties. + As I recall, the Penguins and Devils tied for third place last year +with identical records, as well. Poor Devils -- they always get screwed. +Yet, they should put a scare into Pittsburgh. They always do! Pens in 7. +------------------------------------------------------------------------- +** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! ""It won't be easy, but it +Contact for the '93-'94 '91 STANLEY CUP will have greater rewards. +Penn State Lady Lions '92 CHAMPIONS Mountains and Valleys are +rap115@psuvm.psu.edu 11 STRAIGHT WINS! better than nothing at all!"" +",10 +7593,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) +Subject: Re: Twitching eyelid +Summary: Different cause +Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu +Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens +Lines: 9 + +I'm surprised nobody mentioned that twitching of the eyelid can be a +symptom of an infection, especially if it also itches or stings. +(It happened to me, and antibiotic eyedrops cleared it up nicely.) + +-- +:- Michael A. Covington internet mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ***** +:- Artificial Intelligence Programs phone 706 542-0358 : ********* +:- The University of Georgia fax 706 542-0349 : * * * +:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** +",13 +8895,"From: maridai@comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio) +Subject: Re: Every Lent He suffers to save us +Organization: trunking_fixed +Lines: 17 + +Correction: + + |The story I related is one of the seven apparitions + |approved by our Church as worthy of belief. It happened + |in La Salle, France. + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + +That should be La Salette, France, 1846. +I must admit, geography is not my forte. + + |[...] + + |Once again, the Lamb succeeds. + +-Marida + ""...spreading God's words through actions..."" + -Mother Teresa +",15 +607,"From: spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) +Subject: SGI sales practices (Was: Crimson (Was: Kubota Announcement?)) +Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource +Lines: 49 +NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu + +In article <30523@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> lee@luke.rsg.hac.com (C. Lee) writes: +>The original posting complained (1) about SGI coming out with newer (and +>better) architectures and not having an upgrade path from the older ones, +>and (2) that DEC did. + +No. That's *not* what I was complaining about, nor did I intend to +suggest that DEC was any better than SGI (let me tell you about the +Lynx some day, but be prepared with a large sedative if you do...). My +comment regarding DEC was to indicate that I might be open to other vendors +that supported OpenGL, rather than deal further with SGI. + +What I *am* annoyed about is the fact that we were led to believe that +we *would* be able to upgrade to a multiprocessor version of the +Crimson without the assistance of a fork lift truck. + +I'm also annoyed about being sold *several* Personal IRISes at a +previous site on the understanding *that* architecture would be around +for a while, rather than being flushed. + +Now I understand that SGI is responsible to its investors and has to +keep showing a positive quarterly bottom line (odd that I found myself +pressured on at least two occasions to get the business on the books +just before the end of the quarter), but I'm just a little tired of +getting boned in the process. + +Maybe it's because my lab buys SGIs in onesies and twosies, so we +aren't entitled to a ""peek under the covers"" as the Big Kids (NASA, +for instance) are. This lab, and I suspect that a lot of other labs +and organizations, doesn't have a load of money to spend on computers +every year, so we can't be out buying new systems on a regular basis. +The boxes that we buy now will have to last us pretty much through the +entire grant period of five years and, in some case, beyond. That +means that I need to buy the best piece of equipment that I can when I +have the money, not some product that was built, to paraphrase one +previous poster's words, 'to fill a niche' to compete with some other +vendor. I'm going to be looking at this box for the next five years. +And every time I look at it, I'm going to think about SGI and how I +could have better spent my money (actually *your* money, since we're +supported almost entirely by Federal tax dollars). + +Now you'll have to pardon me while I go off and hiss and fume in a +corner somewhere and think dark, libelous thoughts. + + spl +-- +Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu +San Diego Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UC San Diego/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608 +""My other car is a car, too."" + - Bumper strip seen on I-805 +",1 +6457,"From: pcw@access.digex.com (Peter Wayner) +Subject: The Old Key Registration Idea... +Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA +Lines: 25 +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net + +Okay, let's suppose that the NSA/NIST/Mykotronix Registered +Key system becomes standard and I'm able to buy such a system +from my local radio shack. Every phone comes with a built in +chip and the government has the key to every phone call. +I go and buy a phone and dutifully register the key. + +What's to prevent me from swapping phones with a friend or +buying a used phone at a garage sale? Whooa. The secret registered +keys just became unsynchronized. When the government comes +to listen in, they only receive gobbledly-gook because the +secret key registered under my name isn't the right one. + +That leads me to conjecture that: + +1) The system isn't that secure. There are just two master keys +that work for all the phones in the country. The part about +registering your keys is just bogus. + +or + +2) The system is vulnerable to simple phone swapping attacks +like this. Criminals will quickly figure this out and go to +town. + +In either case, I think we need to look at this a bit deeper.""'jbl)mW:wxlD2 +",11 +563,"From: spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) +Subject: Re: Point within a polygon +Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource +Lines: 15 +NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu +Keywords: point, polygon + +In article <1993Apr14.102007.20664@uk03.bull.co.uk> scrowe@hemel.bull.co.uk (Simon Crowe) writes: +>I am looking for an algorithm to determine if a given point is bound by a +>polygon. Does anyone have any such code or a reference to book containing +>information on the subject ? + +See the article ""An Efficient Ray-Polygon Intersection,"" p. 390 in +Graphics Gems (ISBN 0-12-286165-5). The second step, intersecting the +polygon, does what you want. There is sample code in the book. + + spl +-- +Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu +San Diego Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UC San Diego/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608 +""They are not Bolsheviks, + just bullshitviks."" - Yevgeny Yevtechenko, ""Again a meeting..."" +",1 +6423,"From: ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu (L. Detweiler) +Subject: Privacy & Anonymity on the Internet FAQ (1 of 3) +Supersedes: +Organization: TMP Enterprises +Lines: 1220 +Expires: 21 May 1993 04:00:06 GMT +Reply-To: ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu +NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com +Summary: Email and account privacy, anonymous mailing and posting, + encryption, and other privacy and rights issues associated with use + of the Internet and global networks in general. +X-Last-Updated: 1993/03/04 + +Archive-name: net-privacy/part1 +Last-modified: 1993/3/3 +Version: 2.1 + + +IDENTITY, PRIVACY, and ANONYMITY on the INTERNET +================================================ + +(c) 1993 L. Detweiler. Not for commercial use except by permission +from author, otherwise may be freely copied. Not to be altered. +Please credit if quoted. + +SUMMARY +======= + +Information on email and account privacy, anonymous mailing and +posting, encryption, and other privacy and rights issues associated +with use of the Internet and global networks in general. + +(Search for <#.#> for exact section. Search for '_' (underline) for +next section.) + +PART 1 +====== (this file) + +Identity +-------- +<1.1> What is `identity' on the internet? +<1.2> Why is identity (un)important on the internet? +<1.3> How does my email address (not) identify me and my background? +<1.4> How can I find out more about somebody from their email address? +<1.5> Why is identification (un)stable on the internet? +<1.6> What is the future of identification on the internet? + +Privacy +------- +<2.1> What is `privacy' on the internet? +<2.2> Why is privacy (un)important on the internet? +<2.3> How (in)secure are internet networks? +<2.4> How (in)secure is my account? +<2.5> How (in)secure are my files and directories? +<2.6> How (in)secure is X Windows? +<2.7> How (in)secure is my email? +<2.8> How am I (not) liable for my email and postings? +<2.9> How do I provide more/less information to others on my identity? +<2.10> Who is my sysadmin? What does s/he know about me? +<2.11> Why is privacy (un)stable on the internet? +<2.12> What is the future of privacy on the internet? + +Anonymity +--------- +<3.1> What is `anonymity' on the internet? +<3.2> Why is `anonymity' (un)important on the internet? +<3.3> How can anonymity be protected on the internet? +<3.4> What is `anonymous mail'? +<3.5> What is `anonymous posting'? +<3.6> Why is anonymity (un)stable on the internet? +<3.7> What is the future of anonymity on the internet? + + +PART 2 +====== (next file) + +Resources +--------- + +<4.1> What UNIX programs are related to privacy? +<4.2> How can I learn about or use cryptography? +<4.3> What is the cypherpunks mailing list? +<4.4> What are some privacy-related newsgroups? FAQs? +<4.5> What is internet Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM)? +<4.6> What are other Request For Comments (RFCs) related to privacy? +<4.7> How can I run an anonymous remailer? +<4.8> What are references on privacy in email? +<4.9> What are some email, Usenet, and internet use policies? +<4.10> What is the MIT ``CROSSLINK'' anonymous message TV program? + +Miscellaneous +------------- + +<5.1> What is ``digital cash''? +<5.2> What is a ``hacker'' or ``cracker''? +<5.3> What is a ``cypherpunk''? +<5.4> What is `steganography' and anonymous pools? +<5.5> What is `security through obscurity'? +<5.6> What are `identity daemons'? +<5.7> What standards are needed to guard electronic privacy? + +Issues +------ + +<6.1> What is the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)? +<6.2> Who are Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR)? +<6.3> What was `Operation Sun Devil' and the Steve Jackson Game case? +<6.4> What is Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN)? +<6.5> What is the National Research and Education Network (NREN)? +<6.6> What is the FBI's proposed Digital Telephony Act? +<6.7> What other U.S. legislation is related to privacy on networks? +<6.8> What are references on rights in cyberspace? +<6.9> What is the Computers and Academic Freedom (CAF) archive? + +Footnotes +--------- + +<7.1> What is the background behind the Internet? +<7.2> How is Internet `anarchy' like the English language? +<7.3> Most Wanted list +<7.4> Change history + + +PART 3 +====== (last file) + +Anonymizing +----------- + +<8.1> What are some known anonymous remailing and posting sites? +<8.2> What are the responsibilities associated with anonymity? +<8.3> How do I `kill' anonymous postings? +<8.4> What is the history behind anonymous posting servers? +<8.5> What is the value of anonymity? +<8.6> Should anonymous posting to all groups be allowed? +<8.7> What should system operators do with anonymous postings? +<8.8> What is going on with anon.penet.fi maintained by J. Helsingius? + + +* * * + + +IDENTITY +======== + +_____ +<1.1> What is `identity' on the internet? + + Generally, today people's `identity' on the internet is primarily + determined by their email address in the sense that this is their + most unchanging 'face' in the electronic realm. This is your + login name qualified by the complete address domain information, + for example ``ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu''. People see + this address when receiving mail or reading USENET posts from you + and in other situations where programs record usage. Some obsolete + forms of addresses (such as BITNET) still persist. + + In email messages, additional information on the path that a message + takes is prepended to the message received by the recipient. This + information identifies the chain of hosts involved in the + transmission and is a very accurate trace of its origination. This + type of identify-and-forward protocol is also used in the USENET + protocol to a lesser extent. Forging these fields requires + corrupted mailing software at sites involved in the forwarding and + is very uncommon. Not so uncommon is forging the chain at the + origination point, so that all initial sites in the list are faked + at the time the message is created. Tracing these messages can be + difficult or impossible when the initial faked fields are names of + real machines and represent real transfer routes. + +_____ +<1.2> Why is identity (un)important on the internet? + + The concept of identity is closely intertwined with communication, + privacy, and security, which in turn are all critical aspects of + computer networks. For example, the convenience of communication + afforded by email would be impossible without conventions for + identification. But there are many potential abuses of identity + possible that can have very severe consequences, with massive + computer networks at the forefront of the issue, which can + potentially either exacerbate or solve these problems. + + Verifying that an identity is correct is called `authentication', + and one classic example of the problems associated with it is + H.G.Well's ``War of the Worlds'' radio broadcast that fooled + segments of the population into thinking that an alien invasion was + in progress. Hoaxes of this order are not uncommon on Usenet and + forged identities makes them more insidious. People and their + reputations can be assaulted by forgery. + + However, the fluidity of identity on the internet is for some one of + its most attractive features. Identity is just as useful as it is + harmful. A professor might carefully explain a topic until he + finds he is talking to an undergraduate. A person of a particular + occupation may be able to converse with others who might normally + shun him. Some prejudices are erased, but, on the other hand, many + prejudices are useful! A scientist might argue he can better + evaluate the findings of a paper as a reviewer if he knows more + about the authors. Likewise, he may be more likely to reject it + based on unfair or irrelevant criteria. On the other side of the + connection, the author may find identities of reviewers useful in + exerting pressure for acceptance. + + Identity is especially crucial in establishing and regulating + `credit' (not necessarily financial) and `ownership' and `usage'. + Many functions in society demand reliable and accurate techniques + for identification. Heavy reliance will be placed on digital + authentication as global economies become increasingly electronic. + Many government functions and services are based on identification, + and law enforcement frequently hinges on it. Hence, employees of + many government organizations push toward stronger identification + structures. But when does identification invade privacy? + + The growth of the internet is provoking social forces of massive + proportions. Decisions made now on issues of identity will affect + many future users, especially as the network becomes increasingly + global, universal, widespread, and entrenched; and the positive or + adverse affects of these actions, intended and inadvertent, will + literally be magnified exponentially. + +_____ +<1.3> How does my email address (not) identify me and my background? + + Your email address may contain information that influences people's + perceptions of your background. The address may `identify' you as + from a department at a particular university, an employee at a + company, or a government worker. It may contain your last name, + initials, or cryptic identification codes independent of both. In + the US some are based on parts of social security numbers. Others + are in the form 'u2338' where the number is incremented in the + order that new users are added to the system. + + Standard internet addresses also can contain information on your + broad geographical location or nationhood. However, none of this + information is guaranteed to be correct or be there at all. The + fields in the domain qualification of the username are based on + rather arbitrary organization, such as (mostly invisible) network + cabling distributions. The only point to make is that early fields + in the address are more specific (such as specific computer names + or local networks) and the later ones the most general (such as + continental domains). Typically the first field is the name of the + computer receiving mail. + + Gleaning information from the email address alone is sometimes an + inspired art or an inconsistent and futile exercise. (For more + information, see the FAQs on email addresses and known + geographical distributions below.) However, UNIX utilities exist + to aid in the quest (see the question on this). + + Common Suffixes + --------------- + + .us United States + .uk United Kingdom + .ca Canada + .fi Finland + .au Australia + + .edu university or college + .com commercial organization + .org 'other' (e.g. nonprofit organization) + .gov government + .mil military site + +_____ +<1.4> How can I find out more about somebody with a given email address? + + One simple way is to send email to that address, asking. Another + way is to send mail to the postmaster at that address (i.e. + postmaster@address), although the postmaster's job is more to help + find user ID's of particular people given their real name and solve + mail routing problems. The sysadmin (i.e. `root@address') may also + be able to supply information. Users with related email address + may have information. However, all of these methods rely on the + time and patience of others so use them minimally. + + One of the most basic tools for determining identity over the + internet is the UNIX utility 'finger'. The basic syntax is: + + finger user@here.there.everywhere + + This utility uses communication protocols to query the computer + named in the address for information on the user named. The + response is generated completely by the receiving computer and may + be in any format. Possible responses are as follows: + + - A message `unknown host' meaning some aspect of the address is + incorrect, two lines with no information and '???'. + + - A message 'In real life: ???' in which case the receiving computer + could not find any kind of a match on the username. The finger + utility may return this response in other situations. + + - A listing of information associated with multiple users. Some + computers will search only for matching user IDs, others will + attempt to find the username you specified as a substring of all + actual full names of users kept in a local database. + + At some sites 'finger' can be used to get a list of all users on the + system with a `finger @address'. In general this is often + considered weak security, however, because `attackers' know valid + user ID's to `crack' passwords. + + More information on the fields returned by `finger' is given below. + More information on `finger' and locating people's email addresses + is given in the email FAQ (such as the WHOIS lookup utility). Just + as you can use these means to find out about others, they can use + them to find out about you. You can `finger' yourself to find out + what is publicly reported by your UNIX system about you. Be + careful when modifying `finger' data; virtually anyone with + internet access worldwide can query this information. In one + amazing case, the New York Times writer J. Markoff uncovered the + identity of R. Morris, author of the Internet Worm, through + the use of an anonymous tip and 'finger'. See the book Cyberspace + by K. Hafner and J. Markoff. + +_____ +<1.5> Why is identification (un)stable on the internet? + + Generally, identity is an amorphous and almost nonexistent concept + on the Internet for a variety of reasons. One is the inherent + fluidity of `cyberspace' where people emerge and submerge + frequently, and absences are not readily noted in the `community'. + Most people remember faces and voices, the primary means of casual + identification in the 'real world'. The arbitary and cryptic + sequences of letters and digits comprising most email addresses are + not particularly noticeable or memorable and far from a unique + identification of an individual, who may use multiple accounts on + multiple machines anywhere in the world. + + Currently internet users do not really have any great assurances + that the messages in email and USENET are from who they appear to + be. A person's mailing address is far from an identification of an + individual. + + - Anyone with access to the account, e.g. they know the password, + either legitimately or otherwise, can send mail with that address + in the From: line. + + - Email addresses for an individual tend to change frequently as + they switch jobs or make moves inside their organizations. + + - As part of current mailing protocol standards, forging the From: + line in mail messages is a fairly trivial operation for many + hackers. + + The status and path information prepended to messages by + intermediate hosts is generally unforgeable. In general, while + possible, forgeries are fairly rare on most newsgroups and in + email. Besides these pathological cases abve there are many basic + problems with today's internet protocols affecting identification + on the internet: + + - Internet mail standards, described in RFC-822, are still evolving + rapidly and not entirely orderly. For example, standards for + mail address `munging' or `parsing' tend to vary slightly between + sites and frequently mean the difference between finding + addresses and bouncing mail. + + - Domain names and computer names are frequently changed at sites, + and there are delays in the propagation of this data. + + - Addresses cannot be resolved when certain critical computers + crash, such as the receiving computer or other computers involved + in resolving names into addresses called `nameservers'. + + - A whole slew of problems is associated with `nameservers'; if + they are not updated they will not find name addresses, and even + the operation of what constitutes `updating' has different + interpretations at different sites. + + The current internet mailing and addressing protocols are slightly + anachronistic in that they were created when the network was + somewhat obscure and not widespread, with only a fraction of the + traffic it now sees. Today a large proportion of internet traffic + is email, comprising millions of messages. + +_____ +<1.6> What is the future of identification on the internet? + + Some new technologies and standards are introducing facial images + and voice messages into mail and these will improve the sense of + community that comes from the familiarity of identification. + However, they are not currently widespread, require large amounts + of data transfer, standardized software, and make some compromises + in privacy. + + Promising new cryptographic techniques may make 'digital signatures' + and 'digital authentication' common (see below). Also, the trend + in USENET standards is toward greater authentication of posted + information. On the other hand, advances in ensuring anonymity + (such as remailers) are forthcoming. See below. + + +PRIVACY +======= + +_____ +<2.1> What is `privacy' on the internet? + + Generally, while `privacy' has multiple connotations in society and + perhaps even more on the internet, in cyberspace most take it to + mean that you have exclusive use and access to your account and the + data stored on and and directed to it (such as email), and you do + not encounter arbitrary restrictions or searches. In other words, + others may obtain data associated with your account, but not + without your permission. These ideas are probably both fairly + limiting and liberal in their scope in what most internet users + consider their private domains. Some users don't expect or want + any privacy, some expect and demand it. + +_____ +<2.2> Why is privacy (un)important on the internet? + + This is a somewhat debatable and inflammatory topic, arousing + passionate opinions. On the internet, some take privacy for + granted and are rudely surprised to find it tenuous or nonexistent. + Most governments have rules that protect privacy (such as the + illegal search and seizure clause of the U.S. constitution, adopted + by others) but have many that are antithetical to it (such as laws + prohibiting secret communications or allowing wiretapping). These + rules generally carry over to the internet with few specific rules + governing it. However, the legal repercussions of the global + internet are still largely unknown and untested (i.e. no strong + legal precedents and court cases). The fact that internet traffic + frequently passes past international boundaries, and is not + centrally managed, significantly complicates and strongly + discourages its regulation. + +_____ +<2.3> How (in)secure are internet networks? + + - `Theoretically' people at any site in the chain of sites with + access to hardware and network media that transmits data over the + Internet could potentially monitor or archive it. However, the + sheer volume and general 'noise' inherent to this data makes + these scenarios highly improbable, even by government agencies + with supposedly vast funding and resources. + + - Technologies exist to `tap' magnetic fields given off by + electrical wires without detection. Less obscurely, any machine + with a network connection is a potential station for traffic + detection, but this scenario requires knowledge and access to + very low-level hardware (the network card) to pursue, if even + possible. + + - A company Network General Inc. is one of many that manufactures + and markets sophisticated network monitoring tools that can + 'filter' and read packets by arbitrary criteria for + troubleshooting purposes, but the cost of this type of device is + prohibitive for casual use. + + Known instances of the above types of security breaches at a major + scale (such as at network hubs) are very rare. The greatest risks + tend to emerge locally. Note that all these approaches are almost + completely defused with the use of cryptography. + +_____ +<2.4> How (in)secure is my account? + + By default, not very. There are a multitude of factors that may + reinforce or compromise aspects of your privacy on the internet. + First, your account must be secure from other users. The universal + system is to use a password, but if it is `weak' (i.e. easy to + guess) this security is significantly diminished. Somewhat + surprisingly and frighteningly to some, certain users of the + system, particularly the administrator, generally have unlimited + access regardless of passwords, and may grant that access to + others. This means that they may read any file in your account + without detection. + + Furthermore, not universally known, most UNIX systems keep fairly + extensive accounting records of when and where you logged in, what + commands you execute, and when they are executed (in fact, login + information is usually public). Most features of this `auditing' or + `process accounting' information are enabled by default after the + initial installation and the system administrator may customize it + to strengthen or weaken it to satisfy performance or privacy aims. + This information is frequently consulted for troubleshooting + purposes and may otherwise be ignored. This data tracks + unsuccessful login attempts and other 'suspicious' activities on + the system. A traditional part of the UNIX system that tracks user + commands is easily circumvented by the user with the use of + symbolic links (described in 'man ln'). + + UNIX implementations vary widely particularly in tracking features + and new sophisticated mechanisms are introduced by companies + regularly. Typically system adminstrators augment the basic UNIX + functionality with public-domain programs and locally-developed + tools for monitoring, and use them only to isolate `suspicious' + activity as it arises (e.g. remote accesses to the 'passwd' file, incorrect + login attempts, remote connection attempts, etc.). + + Generally, you should expect little privacy on your account for + various reasons: + + - Potentially, every keystroke you type could be intercepted by + someone else. + + - System administrators make extensive backups that are completely + invisible to users which may record the states of an account over + many weeks. + + - Erased files can, under many operating systems, be undeleted. + + - Most automated services keep logs of use for troubleshooting or + otherwise; for example FTP sites usually log the commands and + record the domain originations of users, including anonymous + ones. + + - Some software exacerbates these problems. See the section on + ``X Windows (in)security''. + + Indepedent of malevolent administrators are fellow users, a much + more commonly harmful threat. There are multiple ways to help + ensure that your account will not be accessed by others, and + compromises can often be traced to failures in these guidelines: + + - Choose a secure password. Change it periodically. + - Make sure to logout always. + - Do not leave a machine unattended for long. + - Make sure no one watches you when you type your password. + - Avoid password references in email. + - Be conservative in the use of the .rhost file. + - Use utilities like `xlock' to protect a station, but be + considerate. + + Be wary of situations where you think you should supply your + password. There are only several basic situations where UNIX + prompts you for a password: when you are logging in to a system or + changing your password. Situations can arise in which prompts for + passwords are forged by other users, especially in cases where you + are talking to them (such as Internet Relay Chat). Also, be aware + that forged login screens are one method to illegitimately obtain + passwords. + + + (Thanks to Jim Mattson for contributions + here.) + +_____ +<2.5> How (in)secure are my files and directories? + + The most important privacy considerations are related to file + rights, and many lapses can be traced to their misunderstood nature + or haphazard maintenance. Be aware of the rights associated with + your files and directories in UNIX. If the `x' (`execute') right on + your parent directory is off for users, groups, and other, these + users cannot gain information on anything in your directories. + Anything less may allow others to read, change, or even delete + files in your home directory. The rights on a directory supersede + the rights associated with files in that directory. For a + directory, 'x' means that access to the files (or subdirectories) + in the directory is possible -- if you know their names. To list + the contents of the directory, however, requires the 'r' right. + + By default most accounts are accessable only to the owner, but the + initial configuration varies between sites based on administrator + preference. The default file mode specifies the initial rights + associated with newly created files, and can be set in the shell + with `umask'. The details of rights implementations tend to vary + between versions of UNIX. Consult man pages on `chmod' and `ls'. + + Examples + -------- + + traver.lance % ls -ld ~ + drwx------ 15 ld231782 1536 Jan 31 21:22 /users/ld231782/ + + Here is a listing of the rights associated with a user's home + directory, denoted by `~'. The columns at the left identify what + rights are available. The first column identifies the entry as a + directory, and the next three columns mean that read, write, and + execute rights, respectively, are permitted for that user. For + directories, the `x' right means that contents (file and + subdirectory names) within that directory can be listed. The + subsequent columns indicate that no other users have any rights to + anything in the directory tree originating at that point. They + can't even `see' any lower files or subdirectories; the hierarchy + is completely invisible to them. + + traver.lance % ls -l msg + -rw-r--r-- 1 ld231782 35661 Jan 29 23:13 msg + traver.lance % chmod u=rw,g=,o= msg + traver.lance % ls -l msg + -rw------- 1 ld231782 35661 Jan 29 23:13 msg + + Here the modes on the file `msg' were changed to take away rights + from `group' and `other'. + + Note that `ls -l ' requires both the 'r' right to get the list + of files and subdirectories, and the 'x' right to access the files + and subdirectories in order to get their size, etc. For example, + suppose the directory `foo' has rights dr--r--r--, the following + is possible: + + ls foo + + These commands would fail independent of file rights: + + ls -l foo + ls -l foo/file + cat foo/file + cd foo + + If the directory `foo' has rights d--x--x--x, the following are + possible if it is known beforehand that `foo' contains an 'r' + readable file named `file': + + ls -l foo/file + cat foo/file + cd foo + + The following commands fail: + + ls foo + ls -l foo + + + (Thanks to Uwe Waldmann for contributions here.) + +_____ +<2.6> How (in)secure is X Windows? + + X Windows is the primary software developed by the MIT Athena + project which is funded by U.S. government grants to develop + applications to harness the power of networks in enhancing + computational tasks, particularly the human-computer interface. + The software implements a client-server interface to a computer via + graphical windows. In this case the `client' is the application + requesting or utilizing graphical resources (such as windows or a + mouse) and the `server' is the machine that provides them. In many + situations the client is an application program running on the same + machine as the server. + + The great utility of X Windows comes from its complete dissociation + of the client and server so that windows may be `broadcast' to a + server at a remote location from the client. Unfortunately this + dynamic power also introduces many deep, intricate, and complicated + security considerations. The primary security and privacy issue + associated with X Windows is that much more sensitive data may be + sent over a network, and over wider regions, than in the case where + the human is situated near the host computer. Currently there is + no encryption of data such as screen updates and keystrokes in X + Windows. + + Due to either intentional design decisions or unintentional design + flaws, early versions of the X Window system are extremely + insecure. Anyone with an account on the server machine can disrupt + that display or read it electronically based on access to the + device unix:0.0 by any regular user. There are no protections + from this type of access in these versions. The problem arises + because the security is completely based on machine addresses + rather than users, such that any user at a `trusted' machine is + himself trusted. Quoting from X documentation (man Xsecurity): + + > Any client on a host in the host access control list is allowed + > access to the X server. This system can work reasonably well in + > an environment where everyone trusts everyone, or when only a + > single person can log into a given machine...This system does not + > work well when multiple people can log in to a single machine and + > mutual trust does not exist. + + With the access control list, the `xhost' command may prevent some + naive attempts (i.e. those other than the direct-access unix:0.0 + evasion); the syntax as typed on the host machine is ``xhost + +[name]'' where [name] is the domain name or internet address of an + authorized client machine. By default clients running nonlocal to + the host are disabled. Public domain programs to disrupt a display + momentarily (such as 'flip' or slowly mirror the screen image, or + cause pixels to 'melt' down to the bottom) have been circulating on + the internet among hackers for several years and played as pranks + on unsuspecting or inexperienced users. Much more serious security + breaches are conceivable from similar mechanisms exploiting this + inherent weaknesses. (The minimal, easily-bypassed `trusted' + security mode of `xhost' has been jokingly referred to as ``X + Hanging Open, Security Terrible.''). + + New versions of the X Window system (X11R5 and higher) by default + make server access as secure as the file system using a .Xauthority + file and 'magic cookies'. Remote machines must have a code in the + .Xauthority file in the home directory that matches the code + allowed by the server. Many older programs and even new + vendor-supplied code does not support or is incompatible with + `magic cookies'. The basic magic cookie mechanism is vulnerable to + monitoring techniques described earlier because no encryption of + keys occurs in transmission. X11R5 also includes other + sophisticated encryption mechanisms. Try `man Xsecurity' to find + out what is supported at your site. Even though improved security + mechanisms have been available in X Windows since ~1990, local + sites often update this software infrequently because installation + is extremely complex. + + + (Thanks to Marc Vanheyningen , + Jim Mattson , and Bill Marshall + for contributions here.) + +_____ +<2.7> How (in)secure is my email? + + By default, not very. The characters that you are reading are + almost certainly encoded in ASCII, the American Standard Code for + Information Interchange that maps alphabetic and symbolic + characters onto numeric codes and vice versa. Virtually every + computer system uses this code, and if not, has ways of converting + to and from it. When you write a mail message, by default it is + being sent in ASCII, and since the standard is virtually + universal, there is no intrinsic privacy. Despite milleniums worth + of accumulated cryptographic knowledge, cryptographic technologies + are only recently being established that afford high priority to + privacy as a primary criteria in computer and network design. Some + potential pitfalls in privacy are as follows: + + - The most serious threats are instances of immature or unscrupulous + system operators reading private mail in the `spool files' at a + local site (i.e. at the source or destination of the message), + such as a university. + + - System administrators may also release files to law enforcement + agencies, but conventions and protocols for warrants involving + computer searches have still not been strongly established and + tested legally. + + - Note that bounced messages go to postmasters at a given site in + their entirety. This means that if you address mail with an + incorrect address it has a good chance of being seen by a human + other than the recipient. + + - Typically new user accounts are always set up such that the local + mail directory is private, but this is not guaranteed and can be + overridden. + + - Finally, be aware that some mailing lists (email addresses of + everyone on a list) are actually publicly accessable via mail + routing software mechanisms. This `feature' can be disabled. + + Most potential compromises in email privacy can be thoroughly + avoided with the use of strong end-to-end cryptography, which has + its own set of caveats (for example, unscrupulous administrators + may still be a threat if the encryption site is shared or + nonlocal). See the sections on ``email privacy'' and ``email + policies.'' + +_____ +<2.8> How am I (not) liable for my email and postings? + + As punishment or whatever, your system administrator can revoke + certain `privileges' such as emailing, USENET posting or reading + certain groups, file transferring, remote communications, or + generally any subset of capabilities available from your account. + This all is completely at the discretion of the local administrator + and under the procedures followed at a particular site, which in + many cases are haphazard and crisis-oriented. Currently there are + virtually no widespread, uniform guidelines or procedures for + restricting use to any internet services, and local administrators + are free to make arbitrary decisions on access. + + Today punitive measures are regularly applied in various situations. + In the typical scenario complaint(s) reach a system adminstrator + regarding abuses by a user, usually but not necessarily preceded by + complaints to the user in email, regarding that person's + objectionable email or postings. `abusive' posters to USENET are + usually first given admonitions from their system administrators as + urged by others on the `net'. (The debate persists endlessly on + many newsgroups whether this is also used as a questionable means + of attacking or silencing `harmless crackpots' or censoring + unpopular opinions.) + + System administrators at remote sites regularly cooperate to + 'squelch' severe cases of abuse. In general, however, by tradition + Usenet readers are remarkably tolerant of diverse views and uses of + the system, but a colorful vocabularly of slang helps describe + their alternatives when this patience is sapped: the options + wielded by the individual user are to simply advance to the next + message (referred to as ``hitting the `n' key''), or to `plonk' + annoying posters (according to the Hacker's Dictionary, the sound a + jerk makes at the end of a fall to the bottom of a kill file). + + In cases where punitive actions are applied, generally system + administrators are least likely to restrict email. USENET postings + are much more commonly restricted, either to individual users or + entire groups (such as a university campus). Restrictions are most + commonly associated with the following `abuses': + + - harassing or threatening notes, `email terrorism' + - illegal uses, e.g. piracy or propagation of copyrighted material + - `ad hominem' attacks, i.e. insulting the reputation of the + poster instead of citing the content of the message + - intentional or extreme vulgarity and offensiveness + - inappropriate postings, esp. binary files in regular groups + `mail-bombing': inundating mail boxes with numerous or massive + files + + Major problems originate from lack of distinctions in private and + official email or postings. Most users have internet access via + accounts at businesses or universities and their activities on the + internet can be construed as representative of their parent + organizations. Many people put disclaimers in their `signatures' in + an attempt dissociate their identity and activities from parent + organizations as a precaution. A recent visible political case + involves the privacy of electronic mail written by White House + staff members of the Bush administration. Following are some + guidelines: + + - Acquaint yourself with your company or university policy. + - If possible, avoid use of your company email address for private + communication. + - Use a disclaimer. + - Keep a low profile (avoid `flamewars' or simply don't post). + - Avoid posting information that could be construed to be + proprietary or `internal'. + + The following references are available from ftp.eff.com + (see also the section on ``internet use policies''): + + /pub/academic/banned.1991 + /pub/academic/banned.1992 + --- + Computer material that was banned/challenged in academia in 1991 + and 1992 including USENET hierarchies. + + /pub/academic/cases + --- + This is an on-line collection of information about specific + computers and academic freedom cases. File README is a detailed + description of the items in the directory. + + /pub/academic/faq/netnews.liability + --- + Notes on university liability for Usenet. + +_____ +<2.9> How do I provide more/less information to others on my identity? + + The public information of your identity and account is mostly + available though the UNIX utility `finger' described above. + + - You have control over most of this information with the utility + `chfn', the specifics vary between sites (on some systems use + `passwd -f'). + + - You can provide unlimited information in the .plan file which is + copied directly to the destination during the fingering. + + - A technique that works at some sites allows you to find out who is + 'finger'ing you and even to vary the .plan file sent to them. + + - Your signature is determined by the environment variable SIGNATURE + + - USENET signatures are conventionally stored in the .signature file + in your home directory. + + Providing less information on your online identity is more difficult + and involved. One approach is to ask your system adminstrator to + change or delete information about you (such as your full name). + You may be able to obtain access on a public account or one from + someone unrelated to you personally. You may be able to remotely + login (via modem or otherwise) to computers that you are not + physically near. These are tactics for hiding or masking your + online activities but nothing is foolproof. Consult man pages on + the 'chmod' command and the default file mode. Generally, files on + a shared system have good safeguards within the user pool but very + little protection is possible from corrupt system administrators. + + To mask your identity in email or on USENET you can use different + accounts. More untraceable are new `anonymous posting' and + remailing services that are very recently being established. See + below. + +______ +<2.10> Who is my sysadmin? What does s/he know about me? + + The requirements and screening for getting a system administration + job (and thereby access to all information on a system) vary widely + between sites and are sometimes frighteningly lax, especially at + universities. Many UNIX systems at universities are largely + managed by undergraduates with a background in computing and often + `hacking'. In general, commercial and industrial sites are more + strict on qualifications and background, and government sites are + extremely strict. + + The system adminstrator (root user) can monitor what commands you + used and at what times. S/he may have a record (backups) of files + on your account over a few weeks. S/he can monitor when you send + email or post USENET messages, and potentially read either. S/he + may have access to records indicating what hosts you are using, + both locally and elsewhere. Administrators sometimes employ + specialized programs to track `strange' or `unusual' activity, + which can potentially be misused. + +______ +<2.11> Why is privacy (un)stable on the internet? + + For the numerous reasons listed above, privacy should not be an + expectation with current use of the internet. Furthermore, large + parts of the internet are funded by the U.S. NSF (National Science + Foundation) which places certain restrictions on its use (such as + prohibiting commercial use). Some high-level officials in this and + other government agencies may be opposed to emerging techniques to + guarantee privacy (such as encryption and anonymous services). + + Historically the major threats to privacy on the internet have been + local. Perhaps the most common example of this are the widespread + occurrences of university administrators refusing to carry some + portion of USENET newsgroups labelled as `pornographic'. The + `alternative' hierarchy in the USENET system, which has virtually + no restrictions on propagation and new group creation, is + frequently targeted (although this material may appear anywhere). + + From the global point of view traffic is generally completely + unimpeded on the internet and only the most egregious offenders + are pursued. For example, verbatim transcriptions of copyrighted + material (such as newspaper or magazine articles) are posted to + USENET with regularity without major consequences (some email + complaints may ensue). More astonishing to some is that currently + significant portions of USENET traffic, and less so internet + traffic, is comprised of sexually-explicit digitized images almost + entirely originating from copyrighted material (newsgroups such as + `alt.sex' regularly have the highest traffic). + +______ +<2.12> What is the future of privacy on the internet? + + Some argue that the internet currently has an adequate or + appropriate level of privacy. Others will argue that as a + prototype for future global networks it has woefully inadequate + safeguards. The internet is growing to become a completely global, + international superhighway for data, and this traffic will + inevitably entail data such as voice messages, postal mail, and + many other items of extremely personal nature. Computer items that + many people consider completely private (such as their local hard + drives) will literally be inches from global network connections. + Also, sensitive industrial and business information is exchanged + over networks currently and this volume may conceivably merge with + the internet. + + Most would agree that, for these basic but sensitive uses of the + internet, no significant mechanisms are currently in place to + ensure much privacy. New standards are calling for uniform + introduction of `privacy enhanced mail' (PEM) which uses encryption + technologies to ensure privacy, so that privacy protection is + automatic, and may significantly improve safeguards. + + The same technology that can be extremely destructive to privacy + (such as with surreptitious surveilance) can be overwhelmingly + effective in protecting it (e.g. with encryption). Some government + agencies are opposed to unlimited privacy in general, and believe + that it should lawfully be forfeited in cases of criminal conduct + (e.g. court-authorized wiretapping). However, powerful new + technologies to protect privacy on computers are becoming + increasingly popular, provoking some to say that ``the cat is out + of the bag'' and the ``genie can't be put back in the bottle''. In + less idiomatic terms, they believe that the spread of strong + cryptography is already underway will be socially and technically + unstoppable. + + To date, no feasible system that guarantees both secure + communication and government oversight has been proposed (the two + goals are largely incompatible). Proposals for ``registration'' of + secret keys (by D. Denning on sci.crypt, for example) have been met + with hot controversy at best and ridicule and derision at worst, + mainly because of concerns for the right to privacy and objections + of inherent feasibility. Electronic privacy issues, and + particularly the proper roles of networks and the internet, will + foreseeably become highly visible and explosive over the next few + years. + + +ANONYMITY +========= + +_____ +<3.1> What is `anonymity' on the internet? + + Simply stated, anonymity is the absence of identity, the + ultimate in privacy. However, there are several variations on + this simple theme. A person may wish to be consistently + identified by a certain pseudonym or `handle' and establish a + reputation under it in some area, providing pseudo-anonymity. + A person may wish to be completely untraceable for a single + one-way message (a sort of `hit-and-run'). Or, a person may + wish to be openly anonymous but carry on a conversation with + others (with either known or anonymous identities) via an + `anonymous return address'. A user may wish to appear as a + `regular user' but actually be untraceable. Sometimes a user + wishes to hide who he is sending mail to (in addition to the + message itself). The anonymous item itself may be directed at + individuals or groups. A user may wish to access some + service and hide all signs of the association. + + All of these uses are feasible on the internet but are currently + tricky to carry out in practice, because of all the tracking + mechanisms inherent to operating systems and network protocols. + Officials of the NSF and other government agencies may be opposed + to any of these uses because of the potential for abuse. + Nevertheless, the inherent facelessness of large networks will + always guarantee a certain element of anonymity. + +_____ +<3.2> Why is `anonymity' (un)important on the internet? + + Anonymity is another powerful tool that can be beneficial or + problematic depending on its use. Arguably absence of + identification is important as the presence of it. It may be the + case that many strong benefits from electronic anonymity will be + discovered that were unforeseen and unpredicted, because true + anonymity has been historically very difficult to establish. + + One can use anonymity to make personal statements to a colleague + that would sabotage a relationship if stated openly (such as + employer/employee scenarios). One can use it to pass information + and evade any threat of direct retribution. For example, + `whistleblowers' reporting on government abuses (economic, social, + or political) can bring issues to light without fear of stigma or + retaliation. Sensitive, personal, potentially damaging information + is often posted to some USENET groups, a risky situation where + anonymity allows conversations to be carried on completely + independent of the identities of the participants. Some police + departments run phone services that allow anonymous reporting of + crimes; such uses would be straightforward on the network. + Unfortunately, extortion and harassment become more insidious with + assurances of anonymity. + +_____ +<3.3> How can anonymity be protected on the internet? + + The chief means, as alluded to above, are masking identities in + email and posting. However, anonymous accounts (public accounts as + accessable and anonymous as e.g. public telephones) may be + effective as well, but this use is generally not officially + supported and even discouraged by some system adminstrators and NSF + guidelines. The nonuniformity in the requirements of obtaining + accounts at different sites and institutions makes anonymous + accounts generally difficult to obtain to the public at large. + + Many communications protocols are inherently detrimental to + anonymity. Virtually every protocol in existence currently + contains information on both sender and receiver in every packet. + New communications protocols will likely develop that guarantee + much higher degrees of secure anonymous communication. + +_____ +<3.4> What is `anonymous mail'? + + One approach to `anonymizing' mail has been to set up an `anonymous + server' that, when activated by email to its address, responds by + allocating and supplying an `anonymous ID' that is unique to the + person requesting it (based on his email address). This will vary + for the same person for different machine address email + originations. To send anonymous mail, the user sends email directed + to the server containing the final destination. The server + `anonymizes' the message by stripping of identification information + and forwards the message, which appears to originate from the + anonymous server only from the corresponding anonymous user id. + This is the `interactive' use of anonymity or pseudonymity + mentioned above. + + Another more `fringe' approach is to run a `cypherpunk' remailer + from a regular user account (no root system privileges are + required). These are currently being pioneered by Eric Hughes and + Hal Finney . The operator runs a process on + a machine that anonymizes mail sent to him with certain + characteristics that distinguish it from his regular incoming mail + (typically fields in the header). One has been implemented as a + PERL script running on UNIX. Several of these are in existence + currently but sites and software currently are highly unstable; + they may be in operation outside of system administrator knowledge. + The remailers don't generally support anonymous return addresses. + Mail that is incorrectly addressed is received by the operator. + Generally the user of the remailer has to disavow any + responsibility for the messages forwarded through his system, + although actually may be held liable regardless. + + These approaches have several serious disadvantages and weaknesses: + + - The anonymous server approach requires maintaining a mapping of + anonymous ID's to real addresses that must be maintained + indefinitely. One alternative is to allow `deallocation' of + aliases at the request of the user, but this has not been + implemented yet. + + - Although an unlikely scenario, traffic to any of these sites could + conceivably be monitored from the `outside', necessitating the + use of cryptography for basic protection,. + + - Local administrators can shut them down either out of caprice or + under pressure from local, network, or government agencies. + + - Unscrupulous providers of the services can monitor the traffic + that goes through them. + + - Most remailers currently keep logs that may be inspected. + + - The cypherpunk approach tends to be highly unstable because these + operators are basically network users who do not own the + equipment and are accountable to their own system + administrators, who may be unaware of the use and unsympathetic + to the philosophy of anonymity when the operation is discovered, + regarding it as illicit use. + + - In all cases, a high degree of trust is placed in the anonymous + server operator by the user. + + Currently the most direct route to anonymity involves using SMTP + protocols to submit a message directly to a server with arbitrary + field information. This practice, not uncommon to hackers, and the + approach used by remailers, is generally viewed with hostility by + most system administrators. Information in the header routing data + and logs of network port connection information may be retained + that can be used to track the originating site. In practice, this + is generally infeasible and rarely carried out. Some + administrators on the network will contact local administrators to + request a message be tracked and its writer admonished or punished + more severely (such as revoking the account), all of this actually + happening occasionally but infrequently. + + See the sections ``known anonymous mail and posting sites'' and + ``responsibilities associated with anonymity''. + +_____ +<3.5> What is `anonymous posting'? + + Anonymous servers have been established as well for anonymous Usenet + posting with all the associated caveats above (monitored traffic, + capricious or risky local circumstances, logging). Make sure to + test the system at least once by e.g. anonymous posting to + misc.test (however some operators don't recommend this because many + sites `autorespond' to test messages, possibly causing the + anonymous server to allocate anonymous IDs for those machines). + See the ``responsibilties associated with anonymous posting'' + before proceeding. + + Another direct route involves using NNTP protocols to submit a + message directly to a newserver with arbitrary field information. + This practice, not uncommon to hackers, is also generally viewed + with hostility by most system administrators, and similar + consequences can ensue. + + See the sections ``known anonymous mail and posting sites'' and + ``responsibilities associated with anonymity''. + +_____ +<3.6> Why is anonymity (un)stable on the internet? + + As noted, many factors compromise the anonymity currently available + to the general internet community, and these services should be + used with great caution. To summarize, the technology is in its + infancy and current approaches are unrefined, unreliable, and not + completely trustworthy. No standards have been established and + troubling situations of loss of anonymity and bugs in the software + are prevalent. Here are some encountered and potential bugs: + + - One anonymous remailer reallocated already allocated anonymous + return addresses. + - Others passed signature information embedded in messages + unaltered. + - Address resolution problems resulting in anonymized mail bounced + to a remailer are common. + - Forgeries to the anonymous server itself are a problem, possibly + allowing unauthorized users to potentially glean anon ID - email + address mappings in the alias file. This can be remedied with + the use of passwords. + - Infinite mail loops are possible with chaining remailers. + + Source code is being distributed, tested, and refined for these + systems, but standards are progressing slowly and weakly. The + field is not likely to improve considerably without official + endorsement and action by network agencies. The whole idea is + essentially still in its infancy and viewed with suspicion and + distrust by many on the internet, seen as illegitimate or favorable + to criminality. The major objection to anonymity over regular + internet use is the perceived lack of accountability to system + operators, i.e. invulnerability to account restrictions resulting + from outside complaints. System adminstrators at some sites have + threatened to filter anonymous news postings generated by the + prominent servers from their redistribution flows. This may only + have the effect of encouraging server operators to create less + characteristically detectable headers. Probably the least + problematic approach, and the most traditional to Usenet, is for + individual users to deal with anonymous mail however they prefer, + e.g. ignoring it or filtering it with kill files. + +_____ +<3.7> What is the future of anonymity on the internet? + + New anonymous protocols effectively serve to significantly increase + safeguards of anonymity. For example, the same mechanism that + routes email over multiple hosts, thereby threatening its privacy, + can also be used to guarantee it. In a scheme called `chaining' an + anonymous message is passed through multiple anonymous servers + before reaching a destination. In this way generally multiple + links of the chain have to be `broken' for security to be + compromised. Re-encryption at each link makes this scenario even + more unlikely. Even more significantly the anonymous remailers + could be spread over the internet globally so that local weaknesses + (such as corrupt governments or legal wiretapping within a nation) + would be more unlikely to sacrifice overall security by message + tracing. However, remailers run by corrupt operators are possible. + + The future of anonymous services on the internet is, at this time, + highly uncertain and fraught with peril. While specific groups seem + to benefit significantly from anonymous posting capabilities, many + feel that unlimited newsgroup scope for anonymous posting is a + disruptive and dangerous idea and detracts from discussions in + `serious' groups. The introduction of unlimited group anonymity + may have fundamental repercussions on Usenet conventions and + distribution mechanisms such as moderated and `alt' groups have had + in the past. For example, as part of new group creation, the + charter may specify whether `anonymous' posting is (un)welcome. + + Nevertheless, the widespread introduction and use of anonymity may + be inevitable. Based on traffic statistics, anonymous services are + in huge demand. Pervasive and readily available anonymity could + carry significant and unforeseen social consequences. However, if + its use is continued to be generally regarded as subversive it may + be confined to the underground. The ramifications of widespread + introduction of anonymity to Usenet are still largely unknown. It + is unclear whether it will provoke signficant amounts of new + traffic or, instead of expansion, cause a shift where a greater + portion of existing traffic is anonymized. Conceivably the + services could play a role in influencing future mainstream social + acceptance of Usenet. + + +* * * + +This is Part 1 of the Privacy & Anonymity FAQ, obtained via anonymous + FTP to pit-manager@mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.answers/net-privacy/ or + newsgroups news.answers, sci.answers, alt.answers every 21 days. +Written by L. Detweiler . +All rights reserved. + +",11 +131,"From: simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale) +Subject: Re: islamic authority over women +Nntp-Posting-Host: nin +Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England +Lines: 49 + +In article <1993Apr5.023044.19580@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: + +> One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", +> because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men. +> Compare that with how homos are raised. Do a study and you will get my +> point. + +Oh, Bobby. You're priceless. Did I ever tell you that? + +My policy with Bobby's posts, should anyone give a damn, is to flick +through the thread at high speed, searching for posts of Bobby's which +have generated a whole pile of followups, then go in and extract the +hilarious quote inevitably present for .sig purposes. Works for me. + +For the guy who said he's just arrived, and asked whether Bobby's for real, +you betcha. Welcome to alt.atheism, and rest assured that it gets worse. +I have a few pearls of wisdom from Bobby which I reproduce below. Is anyone +(Keith?) keeping a big file of such stuff? + + ""In Allah's infinite wisdom, the universe was created from nothing, + just by saying ""Be"", and it became. Therefore Allah exists."" + --- Bobby Mozumder proving the existence of Allah, #1 + + ""Wait. You just said that humans are rarely reasonable. Doesn't that + contradict atheism, where everything is explained through logic and + reason? This is THE contradiction in atheism that proves it false."" + --- Bobby Mozumder proving the existence of Allah, #2 + + ""Plus, to the believer, it would be contradictory + to the Quran for Allah not to exist."" + --- Bobby Mozumder proving the existence of Allah, #3 + +and now + + ""One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", + because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men. Compare + that with how homos are raised. Do a study and you will get my point."" + -- Bobby Mozumder being Islamically Rigorous on alt.atheism + +Mmmmm. Quality *and* quantity from the New Voice of Islam (pbuh). + +Cheers + +Simon +-- +Simon Clippingdale simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk +Department of Computer Science Tel (+44) 203 523296 +University of Warwick FAX (+44) 203 525714 +Coventry CV4 7AL, U.K. +",0 +4814,"From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner) +Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! +Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org +Distribution: world +Organization: NOT +Lines: 25 + +vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes: +]I wrote the slash two blues for a bit of humor which seems to be lacking +]in the MOA Owners News, when most of the stuff is ""I rode the the first +]day, I saw that, I rode there the second day, I saw this"" + +I admit it was a surprise to find something interesting to read in +the most boring and worthless mag of all the ones I get. + +]any body out there know were the sense if humor went in people? +]I though I still had mine, but I dunno... + +I think most people see your intended humor, I do, I liked the article. +you seem to forget that you've stepped into the political arena. as well +intentioned as you may intend something you're walking through a china +store carrying that /2 on your head. everything you say or do says something +about how you would represent the membership on any given day. you don't +have to look far in american politics to see what a few light hearted +jokes about one segment of the population can do to someone in the limelight. + +OBMoto: I did manage to squeak in a reference to a /2 ;-) + +-- +Joe Senner joe@rider.cactus.org +Austin Area Ride Mailing List ride@rider.cactus.org +Texas SplatterFest Mailing List fest@rider.cactus.org +",8 +4565,"From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) +Subject: Re: Ultimate AWD vehicles +Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA +Distribution: usa +Lines: 7 + +In article eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes: +>the price of parts is a different story though... + +you can say that again. +how does $23 for a new thermostat sound? + +-teddy +",7 +10059,"From: rint69@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (rintoul bradley e) +Subject: Re: NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, Apr 20 +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 4 + +Why do you insist on reposting the entire original post? +Don't waste bandwidth, please. You know how picky us non- +Jews can be. Ha Ha. :| + +",17 +3455,"From: cxs2341@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.X. Sawran) +Subject: Bernoulli 44 Removeable SCSI Drive & Disks +Nntp-Posting-Host: ultb-gw.isc.rit.edu +Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology +Distribution: usa + + + Storage space for sale: + + Iomega 44 MB removeable HD for sale w/ 16 cartridges. + + Total storage space comes out to be about 750 MB. 6 cartridges still in + original shrinkwrapping, unused. Note: this is NOT compatible with + SysQuest 45 cartridges. + + SCSI interface required... plugs right into the back of Macintoshes, + but I don't have a controller for the IBM. All utilities I have for it + are for the Mac. If you have a Mac, then this is for you! I have a + ton of software on these disks that I don't use anymore, because I sold + my mac system. Stuff included: Most of the PD stuff from info-mac + site, LOTS of GIF's, and LOTS of sound effects. (1 entire disk with + just sounds) + + I am asking $900 for all, plus shipping. + + For more information, send me mail (cxs2341@ultb.isc.rit.edu) or call + (716) 427-0701... ask for Sawran + + cheers + + chris + cxs2341@ultb.isc.rit.edu + cxs2341@ritvax.isc.rit.edu +",6 +7916,"From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) +Subject: Re: Too many MRIs? +Organization: Informix Software, Inc. +Lines: 11 + +In article <1993Apr12.165410.4206@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes: +> +>I recall reading somewhere, during my youth, in some science popularization +>book, that whyle isotope changes don't normally affect chemistry, a consumption +>of only heavy water would be fatal, and that seeds watered only with heavy +>water do not sprout. Does anyone know about this? +> + +I also heard this. I always thought it might make a good eposide of +'Columbo' for someone to be poisoned with heavy water - it wouldn't +show up in any chemical test. +",13 +3611,"From: janson@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Todd Janson) +Subject: FORSALE: Norman Rockwell +Organization: University of Idaho, Moscow, Idaho +Lines: 21 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: crow.csrv.uidaho.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + + +Okay, okay, Norman himself isn't actually for sale. BUT: + +I have two Saturday Even Post's, both of which have Norman Rockwell +illustrations on the front cover. + +October 29, 1960 -- with candidate Kennedy on campaign + -- has, obviously, a Norman Rockwell of Kennedy on the cover + +November 5, 1960 -- with candidate Nixon on campaign + -- And here we have Nixon. He's not a crook... + +These are both in very good condition. +Let me know if you're interested, and to what tune. ($$) + +-- +*=-------------------------------------------------------------=* +* // * +* // Todd Janson. No group. Moscow, Idaho * +* \\/ * +*=-------------------------------------------------------------=* +",6 +9019,"From: gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM (Gary Chin) +Subject: Christians that are not church members +Reply-To: gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM +Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. +Lines: 13 + +Over the years, I have met Christians who are not associated with +any local church and are not members of any local church. This is +an issue that may be very personal, but is important. What does +the Bible say about this and how can we encourage our friends with +regard to this issue? + +|-------------------| +| Gary Chin | +| Staff Engineer | +| Sun Microsystems | +| Mt. View, CA | +| gchin@Eng.Sun.Com | +|-------------------| +",15 +10851,"From: bearpaw@world.std.com (bearpaw) +Subject: Re: MOW BODYCOUNT +Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA +Lines: 33 + +spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes: + +>> Any thoughts on who is going to count all of the gorgeous bodies at +>> the MOW? The press? The White House Staff? The most Junior +>> Senator? The King of the motss/bi? +>> +>> Just curious as to whose bias we are going to see when the numbers +>> get brought out. +> +>Probably, law enforcement people (Park Service Police and D.C. cops), +>who will use aerial photographs and extrapolate based on the +>density of the crowd in small regions. +> +>These sort of techniques derive from Army Intelligence and CIA +>methods of estimating troop strength, and tend to be +>methodologically skewed to always come up with inflated numbers, +>so as to justify bigger budgets. + +Judging from past experience (the '87 March, a Peace and Justice March the +same year, and 3 different Pro-coice Marches), The Park Service will come out +with an estimate that is approximately 1/2 the estimate that organizers will +come up with - though the last Choice march I went to had a sign-in system, +and the numbers ended up closer. And then you've got the media types in their +helicopters, rolling dice. + +I believe the MOW plans and handing out some sort of wristband thingy, and +basing their count on those. I see two problems with this. One, can they +get *everybody* to take one (and only one)? Two, they couldn't possibly have +been able to choose a color/design that won't clash with *somebody's* outfit! + +:-> +bearpaw + +",18 +1395,"From: taybh@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Beng Hang TAY) +Subject: Re: Cirrus Logic 5426 Graph Card +Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server +Lines: 17 + +In comp.os.ms-windows.misc, gardner_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (andy gardner) writes: + + In article <1qms3c$37t@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, wong@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Jung) writes: + + >Version 1.3 drivers are due to be release by Cirrus soon. + >Unfortunately, their not available via FTP, you have to dial + >up their BBS in the USA. I do this from NZ using a 14.4k modem + >to cut down on phone bills. It took me around 7 minutes to + >download the v1.2 driver. + + Could you please upload to any of the ftp sites (such as + ftp.ciaca.indiana.edu) and announce it here? This will benefit + people does not have access to their BBS in USA (like me :-))? + + Thanks a lot. + +- Beng Hang Tay +",2 +2818,"From: blast@nntp.crl.com (Tim Keanini) +Subject: Mac SCSI spec? +Lines: 20 +NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com + +I have a MacIIFX and I know that it is wired about its SCSI chain. + +I just bought a drive and I need to find out a few hardcore SCSI question: + +Does the IIFX SCSI chain want to see active or passive termination? + +Does the IIFX SCSI spec want me to enable the initiation of the SDTR message? + +WHat does the IIFX SCSI spec want as far as parity checking? + +These are some very good questions for the FAQ. +If someone does not have time to answer these questions but does know +where I can look them up please let me know and I will repost the answers +for everyone to see. + +thanks, + +Tim Keanini or +Sound Engineer Broderbund Software + +",4 +5928,"From: galvint@cs.nps.navy.mil (thomas galvin) +Subject: Re: Washington To Beat Pitt +Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA +Lines: 23 + +In article <93105.052120RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Robbie Po writes: +>In article <1993Apr14.015415.10176@mprgate.mpr.ca>, tasallot@galaxy.mpr.ca +>(Mathew Tasalloti) says: +>>chances this year), but it seems to me like Washington is the ONLY +>>team that can stop the Penguins from winning their next Stanley Cup. +> +> Really? I think both the Islanders and Devils would have a better chance +>at the Penguins than the Capitals, IMO. +>------------------------------------------------------------------------- +>** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! ""It won't be easy, but it +>Contact for the '93-'94 '91 STANLEY CUP will have greater rewards. +>Penn State Lady Lions '92 CHAMPIONS Mountains and Valleys are +>rap115@psuvm.psu.edu 11 STRAIGHT WINS! better than nothing at all!"" + +Really? What makes you think the Islanders have a better shot? They +couldn't even beat the Whalers in two games! + +(Well, since you're a Pens fans the whole question is moot. I think +the teams most likely to beat the Pens are the Bruins, Nordiques, and +Blackhawks but I don't think they can really do it. :-)) + +-Tom Galvin galvint@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil + +",10 +8409,"From: nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls) +Subject: Re: Biosphere II +Reply-To: nicho@vnet.ibm.com +Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM +News-Software: UReply 3.1 +X-X-From: nicho@vnet.ibm.com + <1q77ku$av6@access.digex.net> +Lines: 10 + +In <1q77ku$av6@access.digex.net> Pat writes: +>The Work is privately funded, the DATA belongs to SBV. I don't see +>either george or Fred, scoriating IBM research division for +>not releasing data. + We publish plenty kiddo,you just have to look. + ----------------------------------------------------------------- + .sig files are like strings ... every yo-yo's got one. + +Greg Nicholls ... nicho@vnet.ibm.com (business) or + nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk (private) +",14 +11002,"From: m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) +Subject: Re: Kind, loving, merciful and forgiving GOD! +Nntp-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org +Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA +Lines: 41 + +In article <8846@blue.cis.pitt.edu> joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes: +}m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: +}>}(a) out of context; +}>Must have missed when you said this about these other ""promises of god"" that we keep +}>getting subjected to. Could you please explain why I am wrong and they are OK? +}>Or an acknowledgement of public hypocrisy. Both or neither. +} +}So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for +}taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a +}response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context? + +Did I either ask or assert that? Or is this your misaimed telepathy at work again? + +}>BTW to David Josli: I'm still waiting for either your public +}>acknowledgement of your +}>telepathy and precognition (are you a witch?) or an appology and retraction. +} +}Can you wait without whining? To pass the time, maybe you should go +}back and read the portions of my article that you so conveniently +}deleted in your reply. You'll find most of your answers there. + +Nope: In particular: +>once he realized that he had +Example of telepathy? + +>responding Jim's threa +What threat. Produce it. + +>Jim again, still mystified +More telepathy? Or maybe just empathic telepathy, capable of determining emotional states. + +>Jim, trying to +More telepathy. How do you know ""trying""?!?!? + +>Jim, preparing to +Precognition? Substantiate. + +All this taken from your Message-ID: <8257@blue.cis.pitt.edu>. + + + +",19 +7493,"From: csulo@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr M J Brown) +Subject: 600RPM Floopy drives - UPDATE! +Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK +Lines: 26 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk + +Many thanks to those who replied to my appeal for info on a drive I have +which is 3.5"" 600RPM!! + +I now have some information on how to modify this for use with a BBC B +computer. Not only do you have to change the speed from 600 to 300 rpm +(tried that) but also change 8 components in the Rec/Play section to allow +for the lower data rate (250kbit, not 500kbit as it was designed for) and also +change the Recording Current to allow for the low data rate/rev speed! + +Hopefully this should sort it all out .... not bad for 9 quid (normally 32 +quid and upwards ....) + +The drive is a JVC MDP series drive ... + +============================================================================= + _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ | + _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ | Michael Brown + _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ | + _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ | csulo@csv.warwick.ac.uk + _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ | mjb@dcs.warwick.ac.uk + | +============================================================================= + Lost interest ?? It's so bad I've lost apathy! +============================================================================= + + +",12 +2013,"From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) +Subject: Need info on PS/2 mouse port +Organization: AT&T +Distribution: na +Lines: 11 + +Would someone please email me the pinout for a PS/2 6-pin mini DIN mouse +port? I'm trying to make an adapter for a serial mouse, and the dealer who +knows what adapter works with the mouse I bought doesn't have it in stock. +I have several different adapters, but none of them make sense based on +what sketchy information I have about the port (they have connections to +""reserved"" pins). + +-- +Bob Nichols +AT&T Bell Laboratories +rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com +",3 +7836,"From: dpc47852@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Paul Checkman) +Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 26 + +dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: + +>In article <1qnns0$4l3@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes: +>>The mass of anectdotal evidence, combined with the lack of +>>a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving +>>the hypothesis, makes the MSG reaction hypothesis the +>>most likely explanation for events. + +>You forgot the smiley-face. + +>I can't believe this is what they turn out at Berkeley. Tell me +>you're an aberration. + +>-- +>Steve Dyer +>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer + +HEY, KEEP YOUR FU---NG FLAMING OUT OF THIS GROUP- THAT GOES FOR YOU, MR. +DYER, AS WELL AS SEVERAL OTHER NASTY, SARCASTIC PEOPLE, REGARDING THIS +SUBJECT. Shoot, now I'm all riled up, too, and I was just going to ask if +we can keep our discussion about MSG a little more civil; blasting a school +or an idea through simple insults as demonstrated above is not necessary, +and otherwise out of line. If you want to continue your insult war, take +it elsewhere and stop wasting everyone else's time. +Most sincerely, + Dan Checkman +",13 +2680,"From: aep@world.std.com (Andrew E Page) +Subject: Using SetWUTime() with a PB170 +Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA +Lines: 16 + + + I seem to be having some trouble with this... + + I can get the mac to go to sleep, but I can't make seem to +make it wake up with SetWUTime(). I am aware of the error in +the header files and IM VI. I am setting the WU time to be +about two minutes, then putting the mac to sleep, but it doesn't +wakeup at the appointed time.... + + Does it require a call to SystemTask in order to make sure that +everything is setup? + +-- +Andrew E. Page (Warrior Poet) | Decision and Effort The Archer and Arrow +Mac Consultant | The difference between what we are +Macintosh and DSP Technology | and what we want to be. +",4 +8285,"From: dpage@ra.csc.ti.com (Doug Page) +Subject: Re: Quaint US Archaisms +Nntp-Posting-Host: ra +Organization: Texas Instruments +Lines: 41 + +In article , nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes: +|> In article <1993Apr2.170157.24251@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes: +|> + +|> Of course the units of force have the same names as those of weight, +|> but in order to use them you need to keep useful constants like the +|> omnipresent 32.???? ft/sec^2 around. +|> +|> Maybe you'd like to go over again how this system is _so_ natural and +|> _so_ easy to use, Gary? While you're at it, you can figure out for us +|> the weight of 17 barrels and a quart of foo (density 17lb 2 3/4 oz per +|> cubic foot) on the moon (gravity 5 ft 7 3/32 in/sec^2). Let's face it, +|> even the imperial system uses a basically metric way of relating +|> quantities (i.e. that would be written as 5.59 ft/sec^2); the only +|> thing you're hanging on to is the right to express the same quantity +|> as 1731 inches, 144.25 feet, 48.0833 yards or 2.186 chains. What +|> everyone else is saying is _why_ do you want to do that? +|> +|> Any apparent remaining complexity in the SI system is due to the +|> multiplicity of the aforesaid prefixes. In fact what's going on (and +|> the fundamental difference between SI and imperial) is that you have +|> exactly one unit of each type, and all values of that type are +|> expressed as some multiple of the unit. + +You mean like: seconds, minutes, hours, days, months, years. . . :-) + +Remember, the Fahrenheit temperature scale is also a centigrade scale. Some +revisionists tell the history something like this: The coldest point in a +particular Russian winter was marked on the thermometer as was the body +temperature of a volunteer (turns out he was sick, but you can't win 'em all). +Then the space in between the marks on the thermometer was then divided into +hundredths. + :-) + +FWIW, + +Doug Page + + +*** The opinions are mine (maybe), and do not necessarily represent those *** +*** of my employer (or any other sane person, fot that matter). *** +",14 +3180,"From: agallagh@slate.mines.colorado.edu (GALLAGHER ANDREA J ) +Subject: Detecting read-only colorcells? +Reply-To: ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov +Organization: Colorado School of Mines +Lines: 27 + +[again, poseted for a friend] + +Okay, I got such great response from my last question (thanks, everyone), +lets try again: + +How can I tell if a colorcell is read-only? + +I want to use any read-only cells that are already in my colormap +once I start running out of allocatable cells, using some arbitrary +nearest color matching scheme to get those cells that come closest to +a requested color. + +Once I determine if a cell is read-only, I assume I can then just request +an XAllocColor() with the exact same color specifications and it will +then be flagged as 'used' by my application so that it doesn't later get +freed by someone else and allocated again as read-write to another +application. + +So far, the only way I've figured out to do this is to write my own +error handler and just go ahead and request the cells colors, once my +colormap is all full up. It should error out if the cell is non-shareable. +But life would be much easier if I could just detect the +read-only/shareable stuff directly... + +Any ideas? + +Noel (ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov) +",5 +4692,"From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) +Subject: Re: How NOT to put a motor together +Article-I.D.: tekgen.2419 +Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO +Lines: 32 + +In article <1993Apr6.183553.19539@tcsi.com> markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes: +>In article <65886@mimsy.umd.edu>, leavitt@cs (Mr. Bill) writes: +> +>[put pistons in bores first then lower onto bottom end deleted] +> +>>Has anybody actually carried out this procedure? I can visualize fewer +>>problems with canting pistons in the cylinders with this method, but +>>more trouble with keeping the bores suspended (especially for the first +>>two pistons) and with working space to insert piston pins and clips +>>(especially for the last two pistons). + + It is certainly possible, and quite easy in most cases, especially +on two-strokes. It's very common to do this on bikes where the +cylinder-mounting through-studs don't prevent the cylinder from being +removed with the engine in the frame. + I did this when I assembled the top end on my Indian, which was +easier yet because it does not have through-studs. Base flange studs, +and separate head bolts, dontchaknow. + You have to use a little foresight, rags, duct tape, etc. to keep +clips from falling in, clothespins, hoseclamps, etc. to support the +cylinder while you're inserting the pins. + (Are these called Gudgeon Pins in the UK? If so, what's a Gudgeon?) + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +| Dave Tharp | DoD #0751 | ""You can't wear out | +| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM | MRA #151 | an Indian Scout, | +| '88 K75S '48 Indian Chief | AHRMA #751 | Or its brother the Chief.| +| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751) | AMA #524737 | They're built like rocks | +| '65 R50/2/Velorex '57 NSU Max | | to take the knocks, | +| 1936 BMW R12 | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that | +| My employer has no idea. | Joiner) | give you grief."" | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +",8 +1397,"From: aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca (Alan Walford) +Subject: Summary: ATI Graphics Ultra Questions etc +Reply-To: aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca +Organization: Eos Systems Inc, Vancouver, B.C., Canada +Lines: 147 + + +To those interested in the new ATI Ultra Cards: + +I had posted some questions regarding the new ATI Ultra Pro cards and +had asked confirmation of some opinions. + +This message is a summary of the responses. Thanks to all of you that +replied. + + +> 1) The card does not work in a system with 32M RAM. + +a) The higher memory limits apply to ISA cards only, as far as I know. The VLB + and EISA version should have no problems. + +b) I'm pretty sure from my experience that the ISA version doesn't + work in systems with over 16M Ram. There is supposed to be way + of switching the ""memory aperture"" feature off to prevent this, + but apparently it doesn't work. I posted some ""help me"" messages + on the net and people indicated that the EISA card didn't have this + problem. + +c) FALSE + +d) The VLB card, which I have, allows you to set memory aperture over 32M + by using their configuration software. No messing with jumpers necessary. + + The 32M problem is probably valid only for ISA cards. + + +> 2) The card works in a 32M system with some switches +> set but it is much slower. + +a) Again, the memory aperture need only be disabled if you have more than 124M RAM + (EISA and VLB) or 12 M (ISA). 32M should not be a problem for you. + +b) Dunno. + +c) Depends on the bus. YES if ISA, NO if EISA or Localbus + + +> 3) The card is _interlaced_ in its 24bit (true-colour) modes. + +a) Nope. I can use 640x480 at 72hz, 24-bit and 800x600 at 70hz, 24-bit, all + non-interlaced. + +b) Yes - According to PC Magazine, they've tested a local bus version + that does 1024x768 in 24-bit which may or may not be interlaced. + +c) Not for the Pro. Sometimes for the Plus. + + Some modes may run only interlaced on certain monitors. This has nothing to + do with 24 bits ... only with screen size. Note that for 24 bit color + and Windows you MUST have 2 megs, memory size calculations notwithstanding. + + +> 4) The latest build 59 drivers still do not work in many +> cases. + +a) They aren't perfect, but are much improved. I don't recall the last time which + I had to leave mach 32 mode (ATI GUP mode) and switch to 8514 or VGA mode due + to software incompatibility. + +b) True. Many people recommended going back to Build 55 or 54. + +c) They appear to be excellent, but have a few bugs. For example, certain + graphs with dashed lines in Mathcad 3.1 do not print correctly, though they + do display OK on the screen. They are about par for fancy cards .. + other accelerated cards also have bugs. + +d) Overall, I like the card, even if driver performance is somewhat less than + satisfactory. I am running the 1024*768 16 Color mode as that is all my + NT driver for October NT version seems to allow. + + I will say this that Color performance is not quite as nice as a Diamond + Stealth VRAM, but I have not been able to try out a lot of the options on + the old driver. + + +> 5) This card is the fastest full colour card for the money. + +a) It's quite fast, but whether or not its the fastest is open to debate. + +b) Yes - I'll admit it was very very fast in 16-bit mode, which is what + I wanted to use it for. Too bad it crashed (in many different ways) + every 20 minutes or so... + +c) Depends on many many things. + + +> 6) This card is the greatest thing since sliced bread. ;-) + +a) I like it. + +b) Well - PC Magazine seems to think it is. + +c) Yes, this appears to be true :-) + +d) As to greatest thing since sliced bread, I doubt it. Better cards are + coming out. Who knows, maybe ATI will come out with something faster yet. + Several reviews I read rated one Pycon Winjet card as a superior performer + at a cheaper price except for availability of drivers, which Pycon was + developing at that time. (PC Magazine, about two months or so back) + + Overall, the card has a lot of potential, but you have to be able to use it. + + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +That is the end of the questions. These were the most discussed items in this +group so I thought they needed confirmation. For those of you not familiar +with the card I have included a summary here (from an ATI ad since I don't have +an Graphics Ultra yet.) + +ATI Graphics Ultra Plus: +- Accelerated 1024x768 at 65K colours +- True colour(16.7M) at 800x600 +- Multimedia Video Acceleration (for Indeo Video,RLE and Video 1 compressed) + Stretch full motion video windows to full size +- Fast VGA +- Includes 3 button mouse (ISA versions only) +- Anti-aliased fonts (ed. avail in 16 colour mode only,I think) +- Real-time pan and zoom across large virtual windows desktop +- Around a 1/2 length card size +- Priced from $400 U.S. + +ATI Graphics Ultra Pro: +- Everything in Graphics Ultra Plus +- Faster performance with VRAMS +- Accelerated 1280x1024 at 256 colours 74Hz non-interlaced +- Available in ISA, EISA and Microchannel +- Priced from $600 U.S. + +ATI Technologies +(416) 756-0718 + +I hope this summary can be of use to you. + +Al + +P.S. I am not associated with ATI Technologies in any way other + than having used their previous ATI Ultra card for a few + years (which I generally liked). + + +-- +Alan Walford Eos Systems Inc., Vancouver,B.C., Canada Tel: 604-734-8655 +aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca OR ...uunet!wimsey.bc.ca!eosvcr!aew +",2 +4244,"From: jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson) +Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... +Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS +Lines: 14 +NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu + +In article <1993Apr15.192250.18815@cbnewse.cb.att.com> turbo@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gerald.l.lindahl) writes: +>From article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU>, by ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (""Erik Velapoldi""): +>> This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway. +>> Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to +>> throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five +>> cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly + +About a year ago, some kids tossed a rock off an overpass on I-94 near Eau +Claire, Wisconsin and it killed the driver below. (I believe he was a +schoolteacher from Minnesota.) +-- +Jason Hanson | 915 W. Wisconsin Ave #1010 | (414) 288-2179 +Marquette University | Milwaukee, WI 53233-2373 | Ham Radio: N9LEA/AE +-- jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu ==+== n9lea@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na -- +",7 +5640,"From: cjkuo@symantec.com (Jimmy Kuo) +Subject: Re: cubs & expos roster questions +Organization: Symantec/Peter Norton Group +Lines: 5 +NNTP-Posting-Host: 155.64.151.14 + +alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes: +>>Today (4/14) Cubs activated P Mike Harkey from DL, whom did they move to +>>make room for Harkey? + +Shawn Boskie. +",9 +7709,"From: tomca@microsoft.com (Tom B. Carey) +Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) +Organization: Microsoft Corporation +Lines: 31 + +sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes: +> +>ted@marvin.dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec) writes: +>|> Gary: By ""extra-scientific"" I did not mean to imply that hypothesis +>|> generation was not, in most cases extremely closely tied to the +>|> state of knowledge within a scientific area. I meant was that there +>|> was no ""scientific logic"" involved in the process. It is inductive, +>|> not deductive. +> +>I am further puzzled by the proposed distinction between ""scientific +>logic"" and ""inductive logic"". At this point I don't have a clue +>what you mean by ""extra-scientific"" -- unless you mean that at *some* +>times someone seems to come up with an idea that we can't trace to +>prior theories, concepts, knowledge, etc. This is a fairly common +>observation, but just for grins I'd like to see some genuine examples. + +OK, just for grins: +- Kekule hypothesized a resonant structure for the aromatic benzene +ring after waking from a dream in which a snake was swallowing his tail. +- Archimedes formalized the principle of buoyancy while meditating in +his bath. + +In neither case was there ""no connection to prior theories, concepts, etc."" +as you stipulated above. What there was was an intuitive leap beyond +the current way of thinking, to develop ideas which subsequently proved +to have predictive power (e.g., they stood the test of experimental +verification). + +pardon my kibbutzing... + +Tom +",13 +3514,"From: tran@f18sunn.nwc.navy.mil (Tri Tran) +Subject: Info on Ultrastor HD controller wanted +Organization: NAWC +Lines: 9 + + +Hi netters, + +Does anyone know have any info on the Ultrastor line of controller? +I'm especially interested in the 14F and 34F SCSI controllers. +Please email any info ASAP. I'm building a system and that's one +of the few conponents that is missing. Thanks. + +Tri +",6 +3709,"From: easu351@orion.oac.uci.edu (Suzanna T. Chow) +Subject: (update) Pioneer DEH-M980 car CD Reciever for SALE! +Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu +Summary: (update) Pioneer DEH-M980 car CD Reciever for SALE! +Keywords: pionneer +Lines: 15 + +features include: + +Detachable Face, 30x4 watt amplifier, Infra-red Remote, 8 times oversampling +1 bit DAC, supertuner IV (18fm and 6am presets), best station memory +CD Changer Controller, loud switch, clock + +all original packaging, asking $450.00 (or best offer) + +This CD reciever is a very nice radio, great condition, the remote comes in very +handy (you wouldn't think it would), TOP of the line CD Reciever + +Interested! send email to Brion Sohn at (easu351@orion.oac.uci.edu) + any resonable offers will be considered + +******Latest offer $400.00 (including shipping)********* +",6 +666,"From: schultz@schultz.kgn.ibm.com (Karl Schultz) +Subject: Re: VESA standard VGA/SVGA programming??? +Reply-To: schultz@vnet.ibm.com +Organization: IBM AWS Graphics Systems +Keywords: vga +Lines: 45 + +|> 1. How VESA standard works? Any documentation for VESA standard? + + The VESA standard can be requested from VESA: + VESA + 2150 North First Street, Suite 440 + San Jose, CA 95131-2029 + + Ask for the VESA VBE and Super VGA Programming starndards. VESA + also defines local bus and other standards. + + The VESA standard only addresses ways in which an application + can find out info and capabilities of a specific super VGA + implementation and to control the video mode selection + and video memory access. + + You still have to set your own pixels. + +|> 2. At a higher resolution than 320x200x256 or 640x480x16 VGA mode, +|> where the video memory A0000-AFFFF is no longer sufficient to hold +|> all info, what is the trick to do fast image manipulation? I +|> heard about memory mapping or video memory bank switching but know +|> nothing on how it is implemented. Any advice, anyone? + + VESA defines a ""window"" that is used to access video memory. + This window is anchored at the spot where you want to write, + and then you can write as far as the window takes you (usually + 64K). Windows have granularities, so you can't just anchor + them anywhere. Also, some implementations allow two windows. + +|> 3. My interest is in 640x480x256 mode. Should this mode be called +|> SVGA mode? What is the technique for fast image scrolling for the +|> above mode? How to deal with different SVGA cards? + + This is VESA mode 101h. There is a Set Display Start function + that might be useful for scrolling. + +|> Your guidance to books or any other sources to the above questions +|> would be greatly appreciated. Please send me mail. + + Your best bet is to write VESA for the info. There have also + been announcements on this group of VESA software. + +-- +Karl Schultz schultz@vnet.ibm.com +These statements or opinions are not necessarily those of IBM +",1 +7061,"From: gmc@cthulhu.semi.harris.com +Subject: Re: What is Zero dB???? +Nntp-Posting-Host: cthulhu.mlb.semi.harris.com +Organization: Analog +Lines: 57 + +In article <1993Apr6.132429.16154@bnr.ca> + moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) writes: + + >Joseph Chiu (josephc@cco.caltech.edu) wrote: + > + >: Thus, a deciBell (deci-, l., tenth of + Bell) is a fractional part of the + >: original Bell. For example, SouthWestern Bell is a deciBell. + > + >Out of what hat did you pull this one? dB is a ratio not an RBOC! + > + >: And the measure of current, Amp, is actually named after both the AMP company + >: and the Amphenol company. Both companies revolutionized electronics by + >: simulatenously realizing that the performance of connectors and sockets + >: were affected by the amount of current running through the wires. + > + >Sorry. The unit for current is the AMPERE which is the name of a french-man + >named AMPERE who studied electrical current. The term AMP is just an abbreviation + >of it. The company AMP came after the AMPERE unit was already in use. + > + >: The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, + >: thus our use of the Ohms... + > + >I don't know about this one, but it doesn't sound right. + > + >: + >: Alexander Graham Bell, actually, is where Bell came from... + >Well you got one thing right! + >: + +Actually, I think J. Chiu knows the score and is just being +silly. However, ""decibel"" is in fact 1/10th of a bel. He is +right on that one, but I don't know if it was accidental or not. + +Strictly defined, a bel is the ratio of the log of two power levels, +and a decibel is 1/10th of a bel so you have 10X decibels for every bel, +hence bel=log(P2/P1) and decibel=10Xlog(P2/P1). + +The bel, ohm, volt, farad, ampere, watt, hertz, henry, etc. are +all named for pioneers in the field. It's a traditional and fine +way to honor researchers who discover new knowledge in a new field. +Hertz was one of the most important of the early electronics explorers, +but had been left out in having a term or unit named after him +until recently, (1960's, prior to that what is now a hertz was a cps.) +All the other units were defined many decades earlier. + + + + + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- + +",12 +4000,"From: artc@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Art) +Subject: Re: Brand new IDE/Floppy/2S/2P/1G card for sale +Organization: MMC +Lines: 34 + +In article , bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL BITZ) writes: +|> +|> For Sale +|> ******** +|> +|> IDE Multi I/O Card -- Brand new +|> +|> Controls: +|> * (2) IDE hard drives +|> * (2) floppy drives (3.5"" or 5.25"", high +|> or low density +|> * (2) serial ports +|> * (1) parallel port +|> * (1) game port +|> +|> All in one card, measuring 2.5"" x 6""!! +|> +|> This card is *brand* new (never been opened, much +|> less used at all). +|> +|> **** $35.00 (including all shipping charges!) ***** +|> +|> bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu +|> +|> +|> +|> +|> ------------------------------------------------------------ +|> Mike Bitz Internet: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu +|> Research and Development bitzm@dsuvax.dsu.edu +|> Dakota State University Bitnet: s93020@sdnet.bitnet +|> + +A friend of mine is selling the same thing for $25.00!!! ( NEW ) +",6 +5974,"From: 06paul@ac.dal.ca +Subject: My Predictions of a classic playoff year! +Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada +Lines: 73 + +Here is yet another prediction for them great playoffs! +(you may laugh at your convenience!) :) + + Adams Division (I hate the NE (name) divisoin!!!) + +BOS vs BUF BOS in 5 (the B's are hot lately!) + +MON vs QUE MON in 7 (This will be the series to watch in the first round!) + + +BOS vs MON MON in 7 (this may be a bit biased but I feel the Canadiens will + (smarten up and start playing they played two months ago + ( i.e. bench Savard !!!) + Patrick Division + +PIT vs NJD PIT in 6 (It wont be a complete cake walk... there be a few lumps + (in the cake batter!) + +WAS vs NYI WAS in 6 (This will not be an exciting series..IMO) + + +PITT vs WAS PIT in 4 (Washington will be tired after the NYI) + + Norris Division + +CHI vs StL CHI in 5 (StL will get a lucky game in) + +TOR vs DET TOR in 7 (THis , like MON vs QUE, will be another intense + (series to watch!) + +CHI vs TOR TOR in 7 (Potvin will be settling in nicely by this point.) + + Smythe Division + +VAN vs WIN VAN in 5 (Teemu is great, but Vancouver better as a team!) + +CAL vs LAK CAL in 6 (Gretzky is great, but Calgary has been on fire lately) + ...sorry for the pun... um, no I am not! :) + +VAN vs CAL VAN in 6 (This will be a great series! but VAN has proven they + (Will not lie down and get beat!) + + Wales Conference finals + +Pittsburgh vs Montreal Montreal in 6 (Montreal IMHO is the only team + (that has a chance against + Pittsburgh.) + + Campbell Conference finals + +Vancouver vs Toronto Toronto in 6 (Potvin will be series MVP) + + + STANLEY CUP FINALS + +Toronto Maple Leafs vs Montreal Canadiens + (The Classic Stanley Cup Final matchup!!) <---also a dream come true! + + Montreal wins the Stanley cup in the 7th game 1 - 0 in double overtime. +Roy and Potvin are spectacular throughout the series and share series MVP (if +that is possible) Vincent Damphouse nets game winner from a brilliant pass by +Brian Bellows! Canadiens star(?) Denis Savard watched his buddies play from the +owners box nursing that splinter on his thumb which has left him on the +disabled list since the first game of the playoffs (awww shucks). + +***************************************YEE HAA!!******************************* +*poof* And I wake up :) +Well that is my predictions...I hope and dream they come true. and you can stop +laughing anytime :) + + Paul + Die hard Habs Fan living with + 3 Die hard Leafs fans! +",10 +10092,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) +Subject: Re: Why does US consider YIGAL ARENS to be a dangerous to humanity +Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department +Lines: 31 + +In article eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: + +>Come on! Most if not all Arabs are sympathetic to the Palestinian war +>against Israel. + +I wouldn't bet on it. + +Arab governments generally don't care much about the Palestineans and +their struggle but find it useful for political purposes back home. +They are happy to leave the Palestineans largely under Israeli control +because that leaves the job of controlling them to the Israelis. The +Israelis don't like this job any more than King Hussein of Jordan +liked it -- and he managed to kill them off at the rate of thousands +per month when they started an Intifada in Jordan. The governments of +Syria, Lebanon and Egypt all feel similarly. However, proclaiming +public support for the Palestinean war against Israel deflects +criticism from deep problems at home and lends an air of legitimacy to +even the most brutal Arab tyrants. + +Arab *PEOPLE* probably aren't much more sympathetic. Palestineans +have shown a willingness to destabilize and plunder in Jordan, +Lebanon and Kuwait and are viewed with suspicion elsewhere. + +You might still be right in sympathy to the war against Israel, but I +suspect that many Arabs, far removed from the immediate border with +Israel (e.g. in Kuwait or Morroco), couldn't care less. + +-- +Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will +American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the +My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. +",17 +7535,"From: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) +Subject: Food Dehydrators +Distribution: world +Organization: Ozone Online Operations, Inc. - New Orleans, LA +Reply-To: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) +Lines: 39 + +>Does anybody out there have one of those food dehydrators I've been seeing +>all over late-night TV recently? I was wondering if they use forced air, hea +>or both. If there's heat involved, anybody know what temperature they run at +>My wife would like one and I'm not inclined to pay >$100.00 for a box, a fan +>and a heater. Seems to me you should be able to throw a dehydrator together +>for just a few bucks. Heck, the technology is only what? 1,000 years old? + +You can learn how to build a deyhdrator very easily from the book, ""The +Hungry Hiker's Guide to Good Food,"" by Gretchen McHugh. The heat source +is a 100 watt light bulb. Basically, it's a vertical wooden box with +ventilation holes in the top and bottom (lots of them, you want the air +to flow). The light bulb goes in the bottom, and wire cake racks are +spaced every 6"" starting about 10"" above the bulb. + +Or, at a slightly higher cost in electricity, you can do what I do: Use +your oven. (NOTE - I do this in an electric oven; some gas ovens may +not have a low enough setting). Put food to be dried on cookie tins or +racks in the oven. Set oven to 140 degrees (the lowest setting on my +oven - if yours goes down to 120 that's probably even better.) Stick a +wooden spoon or something across the front corner of the oven and close +the door on the spoon so that it stays open about an inch - this allows +for airflow. Leave the stuff in the oven for 6 to 8 hours; check it +often, since this dries it much faster than the dehydrator. If you are +using cookie sheets instead of racks, turn the stuff over halfway +through. + +If you want more info, e-mail me since this isn't really the right sub +for this stuff. + +gerald.belton@ozonehole.com + + + * SLMR 2.1 * I still miss my boss, but my aim is improving. + +---- +The Ozone Hole BBS * A Private Bulletin Board Service * (504)891-3142 +3 Full Service Nodes * USRobotics 16.8K bps * 10 Gigs * 100,000 Files +SKYDIVE New Orleans! * RIME Network Mail HUB * 500+ Usenet Newsgroups +Please route all questions or inquiries to: postmaster@ozonehole.com +",12 +4704,"From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) +Subject: re: Its still cold, but... +Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth +Lines: 23 +Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 + +>first ride of the season. +> +One thing is certain, though, its still too cold. After about 40 +>minutes, I had to stop and hold my muffler for a while. When I got +>home after a few hours, I kept all my gear on for about a half hour +>in the house. 40F, 100% humidity, no wind protection, and 75mph +>do not mix well. +> + +Hell! This is WARM. I retired my fleece from under the Aerostich last +month when the temperature got aboce 40. Try living a couple of years +on the dole, so you cant afford any heating. You put the gear on in +October, abd you take it off again in May. Getting out on the bike +seems like a luxury in comparison cos oyur usuallu going somewhere +warm. + +Its all relative. + +> +>Happy cold riding. +> + +Who are you trying to kid - its the pain that makes it all worthwhile. +",8 +10711,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) +Subject: Re: Help fight the Clinton Administration's invasion of your privacy +Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department +Lines: 16 + +In article <9308@blue.cis.pitt.edu> cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) writes: +>The Clinton Administration wants to ""manage"" your use of digital +>encryption. This includes a proposal which would limit your use of +>encryption to a standard developed by the NSA, the technical details of +>which would remain classified with the government. +> +>This cannot be allowed to happen. +> + +It is a bit unfair to call blame the Clinton Administration alone...this +initiative was underway under the Bush Administration...it is basically +a bipartisan effort of the establishment Demopublicans and +Republicrats...the same bipartisan effort that brought the S&L scandal, +and BCCI, etc. + +Gerald +",18 +4368,"From: joes@telxon.mis.telxon.com (Joe Staudt) +Subject: Re: Trading in a car that's not paid for...Pointers Please +Organization: TELXON Corporation +Distribution: usa +Lines: 35 + +In article <49422@fibercom.COM> rrg@rtp.fibercom.com (Rhonda Gaines) writes: +> +>I'm planning on purchasing a new car and will be trading in my '90 +>Mazda MX-6 DX. I've still got 2 more years to pay on it. How does +>that get taken into account when I purchase my new car? Does the +>dealership pay off my car and add on the amount they had to pay to +>the purchase price of the new car? someone please explain this to +>me. + +If you don't already know it, you should call the bank/credit union/ +finance company that holds the loan on your present car and get the +current payoff cost. + +If you are trading in your current car on the new car, subtract the +payoff amount from the trade-in the dealer is giving you. (If this +turns out to be a negative number, you need to reconsider the deal.) +Subtract this difference from the price of the new car. This is the +size of the loan you will need for the new car. + +The dealer will take care of paying off the loan on your old car out +of the money you give them when you pick up your new car. + +At least that's how it worked for me 5 years ago in Ohio... + +> +> -thanks +> rhonda + + + +-- +Joseph Staudt, Telxon Corp. | joes@telxon.com +P.O. Box 5582 | ""Usenet is like Tetris for people who still +Akron, OH 44334-0582 | remember how to read."" +(216) 867-3700 x3522 | -- J. Heller +",7 +9548,"From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton) +Subject: Re: ""Proper gun control?"" What is proper gun control? (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card) +In-Reply-To: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 17:16:21 GMT +Nntp-Posting-Host: fanny.wash +Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA +Lines: 15 + + / iftccu:talk.politics.guns / hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) / + 3:31 pm Apr 13, 1993 / + + >Some of the pro-gun posters in this group own no guns. The dread + >""Terminator"", aka ""The Rifleman"", owned no firearms for several + >years while posting in this group, as an example. There are + >others. + +For what it is worth, I own no firearms of any sort. As long-time +readers of this group know, I am dedicated to the RKBA. + +This is not about toys. It is about freedom. + + Dave Barton + dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com +",16 +9290,"From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) +Subject: Re: SATANIC TOUNGES +Organization: University of Georgia, Athens +Lines: 34 + +In article marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes: +>I have a simple test. I take several people who can speak +>only one language (e.g. chinese, russian, german, english). +>Then I let the ""gifted one"" start ""speaking in toungues"". +>The audience should understand the ""gifted one"" clearly +>in their native language. However, the ""gifted one"" can +>only hear himself speaking in his own language. + +That would be neat, but nowhere in the Bible does it say +that one who has the gift of tounges can do this. If the gift +of tounges were the ability to be understood by everyone, +no matter what languages they know, there would be no need for the +gift of interpretation, and I Corinthians 14 would not have had to +have been written. + + +>Perhaps I would believe the ""gifted ones"" more if they were +>glorifying God rather than themselves. Then perhaps we'd +>witness a real miracle. + +That's a pretty harsh assumption to make about a several million +Christians world wide. Sure, there are some who want glory +for themselves who speak in tounges, just as there are among those +who do not have this gift. There were people like this in the Corinthian +church also. that does not mean that there is no true gift or that all +who speak in tounges do it for their own glory in the sight of men. +I would venture to say that a large percentage of those who do speak in tounges +do so more often in private prayer than in public. + +Link Hudson + +[There were apparently those in the early church who claimed that +at Pentecost the miracle was that the crowd were all given the +ability to understand the Apostles speaking in Greek. --clh] +",15 +9381,"From: paull@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Robert Paull) +Subject: Re: Waco dates - are these coincidental? +Distribution: usa +Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] +Lines: 50 + +Richard Cower (cower@csli.stanford.edu) wrote: +: +: I believe this raid was ill planned because they only had 2 days to plan it, +: and it was continued when failure was obvious because it had a bit part +: in the much larger political agenda of President Clinton. I would even +: suggest that the loss of 4 ATF agents is inconsequential in this the +: context of his political agenda. It MIGHT even be beneficial to his agenda, +: as it helps point up just how evil these assualt weapons are. Further proof +: might be that the ATF denied their agents (Street Stories report) requests +: for sufficient fire power. +: +: Important dates: +: Feb 25th - NJ assembly votes to overturn assault weapon ban. +: Feb 28th - Compound in Waco attacked. +: +: On Feb. 25th the New Jersey assembly voted to overturn the assault weapon +: ban in that state. It looked like it might be a tight vote, but the Senate +: in N.J. was going to vote to overturn the ban. It would not sit well to have +: an Eastern state overturn an assault weapon ban, given Clintons stated +: agenda on gun control. I suspect Clinton gave the order to get someone or +: some: group with assualt weapons and have the press present (they were +: initially +: at the incident in Waco) to record the event for the TV audience. The agent +: on ""Street Stories"" reported that a supervisor was urging them all to ""get +: ready fast"", as ""they know we are coming"". I believe this attack continued, +: even tho the probablility of failure was high, because it came from the top +: down. After the N.J. assembly vote, the ATF had a limited amount of time to +: come up with something, and the Wackos in Waco fit the bill nicely. +: +: ...rich + + + I don't know Rich. Last year when the congress was debating the Bushmans +'Crime Bill', the incident at Lubys' cafe occured. Most of the anti-gun +crap was amended out of the bill anyway. + + + Could a president 'order': go find some 'assault weapons' and bring the +media"". I hope not. Frankly, the Toon-meister* scares me. Of course +having a Democratic majority in congress doesn't help. (Apologies to all +Demos' who support RKBA) + +( *definition: toon-meister - a characatureic name for the current +president of the U.S.: Clinton aka, Clintoon aka Toon-meister.) + +Rob P. + + + + +",16 +6296,"From: bart@splunge.uucp (Barton Oleksy) +Subject: Re: LA ON ABC IN CANADA +Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood +Lines: 25 + +plarsen@sanjuan (P Allen Larsen) writes: + +>In article boora@kits.sfu.ca (The GodFather) writes: +>> Was the ABC coverage of the Kings/Flames game supposed to be the +>>way it was shown in BC with CBC overriding the ABC coverage? When I flipped +>>to ABC, it was the same commentators, same commercials even. My question +>>is: Was this the real ABC coverage or did CBC just ""black out"" the +>>ABC coverage for its own? +>> + +>Yes, it's called simulcast. In Canada, when a Canadian station and an +>American station are showing the same thing whether a sporting event or +>Cheers on Thursday night, the Canadian signal is broadcast over the American +>station. They even do this during the Superbowl, which has the best commercials +>of any television. What do we get here, dumb Canadian commercials, the same +>ones we've seen for that last year or so. + +I'm in Edmonton, and while that's usually (or at least OFTEN) the case, +here we were ""treated"" to the actual ABC telecast of the Kings/Flames +game. I'm with whoever said it earlier - Don Witless (er, Whitman) is +a poor commentator, and not just for hockey. Normally, if the Oilers +were still playing (augh), I would turn off the sound and listen to +the radio broadcast to get decent play-by-play announcing. + +Bart, Edmonton +",10 +3079,"From: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) +Subject: Re: XCopyPlane Question + +Reply-To: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) +Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST +Lines: 10 +In-reply-to: whaley@sigma.kpc.com's message of 20 Apr 93 01:12:28 GMT + +In article whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) writes: +> As per your question: why not have the button handler add the object, and +> then call the ""window_redraw()"" (or whatever) directly? Although, depending + +This design will work but I don't think it can take easily take advantage +of expose event redraw optimization; that is, the whole window will be +redrawn, not just the area with the new item. + +P.S. I'm replying here because my/your mailer didn't agree with the + return address whaley@sigma.kpc.com. +",5 +10316,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) +Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II +Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department +Lines: 28 + +In article <93111.225707PP3903A@auvm.american.edu> Paul H. Pimentel writes: +>What gives Isreal the right to keep Jeruseleum? It is the home of the muslim a +>s well as jewish religion, among others. + +What gives the US the right to keep New York? It is the home of the +United Nations as well as being home to a myriad of ethnic groups. + +(Actually, NYC is more comparable to the Gaza Strip; the controlling +authority would probably be pleased as punch to unload it on someone +else -- but no-one seems to want it! :-) + +>Heck, nobody ever mentions what Yitzak Shamir did forty or fifty +>years ago which is terrorize westerners much in the way Abdul Nidal +>does today. Seems Isrealis are nowhere above Arabs, so therefore +>they have a right to Jerusaleum as much as Isreal does. + +A-historical bullshit. Shamir fought the British (who, incidentally, +shipped whole shiploads of Jews back to the Nazis for extermination +and hung those Jewish fighters that they captured and didn't want to +deal with anymore). Shamir did not attack civilians on airliners, +cruise ships, in airports, sports events, movie theaters, markets, +on buses and children in schoolyards. Your comparison to a Master +Murderer like Abu Nidal is BLIND! + +-- +Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will +American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the +My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. +",17 +3070,"From: cerna@ntep.tmg.nec.co.JP (Alexander Cerna (SV)) +Subject: transparent widgets--how? +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 8 +NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu +To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu +Cc: cerna@ntep.tmg.nec.co.jp + +I need to write an application which does annotation notes +on existing documents. The annotation could be done several +times by different people. The idea is something like having +several acetate transparencies stacked on top of each other +so that the user can see through all of them. I've seen +something like this being done by the oclock client. +Could someone please tell me how to do it in Xt? +Thank you very much. +",5 +8068,"From: u96_averba@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu +Subject: Arythmia +Lines: 11 +Organization: Stevens Institute Of Technology + +I don't know if anyone knows about this topic: electrical heart +failure. One of my friends has had to go to the doctor because +he had chest pains. The Doc said it was Arythmia. So he had to +go to a new york hospital for a lot of money to get treated. His +doctors said that he could die from it, and the medication caused +cancer ( that he was taking). Well, I suggested that he run, excersize +and eat more, ( he is very skinny) but he says that has nothing +to do with it. Does anyone know what causes arythmia and how +it can be treated? + Thanks + +",13 +2305,"From: gnelson@pion.rutgers.edu (Gregory Nelson) +Subject: Thanks Apple: Free Ethernet on my C610! +Article-I.D.: pion.Apr.6.12.05.34.1993.11732 +Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. +Lines: 26 + + + Well, I just got my Centris 610 yesterday. It took just over two +weeks from placing the order. The dealer (Rutgers computer store) +appologized because Apple made a substitution on my order. I ordered +the one without ethernet, but they substituted one _with_ ethernet. +He wanted to know if that would be ""alright with me""!!! They must +be backlogged on Centri w/out ethernet so they're just shipping them +with! + + Anyway, I'm very happy with the 610 with a few exceptions. +Being nosy, I decided to open it up _before_ powering it on for the first +time. The SCSI cable to the hard drive was only partially connected +(must have come loose in shipping). No big deal, but I would have been +pissed if I tried to boot it and it wouldn't come up! + The hard drive also has an annoying high pitched whine. I've +heard apple will exchange it if you complain, so I might try to get +it swapped. + I am also dissappionted by the lack of soft power-on/off. This +wasn't mentioned in any of the literature I saw. Also, the location +of the reset/interupt buttons is awful. Having keyboard control for +these functions was much more convenient. + Oh, and the screen seems tojump in a wierd way on power-up. +I've seen this mentioned by others, so it must be a...feature... + Anyway, above all, it's fast. A great machine at a great price! + +gnelson@physics.rutgers.edu +",4 +10440,"X-Mailer: TMail version 1.17R +From: ""D. C. Sessions"" +Organization: Nobody but me -- really +Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! +Distribution: world +Lines: 61 + +In <1993Apr16.130037.18830@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) wrote: +# In article <2BCE0918.6105@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: +# |> In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: +# |> > +# |> >It is NOT a ""terrorist camp"" as you and the Israelis like +# |> >to view the villages they are small communities with kids playing soccer +# |> >in the streets, women preparing lunch, men playing cards, etc..... +# |> >SOME young men, usually aged between 17 to 30 years are members of +# |> >the Lebanese resistance. Even the inhabitants of the village do not +# |> >know who these are, they are secretive about it, but most people often +# |> >suspect who they are and what they are up to. These young men are +# |> >supported financially by Iran most of the time. They sneak arms and +# |> >ammunitions into the occupied zone where they set up booby traps +# |> >for Israeli patrols. Every time an Israeli soldier is killed or injured +# |> >by these traps, Israel retalliates by indiscriminately bombing villages +# |> >of their own choosing often killing only innocent civilians. +# |> +# |> This a ""tried and true"" method utilized by guerilla and terrorists groups: +# |> to conduct operations in the midst of the local populace, thus forcing the +# |> opposing ""state"" to possible harm innocent civilians in their search or, +# |> in order to avoid the deaths of civilians, abandon the search. Certainly the +# |> people who use the population for cover are *also* to blaim for dragging the +# |> innocent civilians into harm's way. +# |> +# |> Are you suggesting that, when guerillas use the population for cover, Israel +# |> should totally back down? So...the easiest way to get away with attacking +# |> another is to use an innocent as a shield and hope that the other respects +# |> innocent lives? +# +# Tell me Tim, what are these guerillas doing wrong? Assuming that they are using +# civilians for cover, are they not killing SOLDIERS in THEIR country? If the +# buffer zone is to prevent attacks on Israel, is it not working? Why is it +# further neccessary for Israeli guns to pound Lebanese villages? Why not just +# kill those who try to infiltrate the buffer zone? You see, there is more to +# the shelling of the villages.... it is called RETALIATION... ""GETTING BACK"" +# ...""GETTING EVEN"". It doesn't make sense to shell the villages. The least +# it shows is a reckless disregard by the Israeli government for the lives of +# civilians. + + Please clarify your standards for rules of engagement. As I + understand it, Israelis are at all times and under all + circumstances fair targets. Their opponents are legitimate + targets only when Mirandized, or some such? + + I'm sure that this makes perfect sense if you grant *a*priori* + that Israelis are the Black Hats, and that therefore killing + them is automatically a Good Thing (Go Hezbollah!). The + corollary is that the Hezbollah are the White Hats, and that + whatever they do is a Good Thing, and the Israelis only prove + themselves to be Bad Guys by attacking them. + + This sounds suspiciously like a hockey fan I know, who cheers + when one of the players on His Team uses his stick to permanently + rearrange an opponent's face, and curses the ref for penalizing + His Side. Of course, when it's different when the roles are + reversed. + +--- D. C. Sessions Speaking for myself --- +--- Note new network address: dcs@witsend.tnet.com --- +--- Author (and everything else!) of TMail (DOS mail/news shell) --- +",17 +2791,"From: anielsen@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Nielsen) +Subject: Versatec plotter PPD? +Organization: The University of Western Australia +Lines: 13 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: uniwa.uwa.edu.au +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 + +Hello world, does anyone know of a Postscript PPD for a Versatec +A0-size plotter, which is generally accessed via a ZEH Postscript +interpreter? Replies by e-mail very gratefully received - this is +proving to be quite a tricky one. + +_________________________________________________________________________ +Andrew D. Nielsen Internet : anielsen@DIALix.oz.au +Advanced Systems Consultant AppleLink: AUST0278 +AppleCentre Perth +69 Adelaide Tce Tel: +61-9-2214511 +PERTH WA 6004 AUSTRALIA FAX: +61-9-2212527 + + ""Any opinions expressed are my own, not those of my employer."" +",4 +8257,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) +Subject: Re: space food sticks +Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA +Lines: 9 +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net +Keywords: food + +dillon comments that Space Food Sticks may have bad digestive properties. + +I don't think so. I think most NASA food products were designed to +be low fiber 'zero-residue' products so as to minimize the difficulties +of waste disposal. I'd doubt they'd deploy anything that caused whole sale +GI distress. There aren't enough plastic baggies in the world for +a bad case of GI disease. + +pat +",14 +3832,"From: europa@eng.umd.edu (Tae Hun Kim) +Subject: NEW Hard Drive SALE!!! +Organization: University of Maryland +Lines: 7 +NNTP-Posting-Host: coke.eng.umd.edu + +Seagate 1.2GB SCSI hard Drive +Brand NEW with full factory warranty. +5-1/4"" FH, 15ms access time, 150,000 MTBF +Only $1100+s/h. + +Leave E-mail if interested. + +",6 +2116,"From: jzawodn@bgsu.edu (Jeremy D. Zawodny) +Subject: Help needed in setting up NCSA Telnet w/ AppleTalk or Phonenet... +Summary: help me.... +Organization: Bowling Green State Univ. +Lines: 21 + + +Okay, I'm trying to install NCSA telnet on a couple (okay, a whole bunch) +of machines. They're all true blue IBMs with either Fallon Phonenet cards +or Dastar cards. (I belive those names are correct.) Well, the docs for +telnet say that it'll run over an AppleTalk driver, but I've had little +success. + +If anyone has succesfully installed Telnet w/ AppleTalk, I'd like some +help with the config file for Telnet... + +BTW, please reply via E-mail if possible... + +Thanks, + +Jeremy + +-- +Jeremy Zawodny | Computer Science Undergrad | Bowling Green State University +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +jzawodn@andy.bgsu.edu | Student Computer Consultant | *thrilled* OS/2 2.0 user + +",3 +5324,"From: G.R.Price@cm.cf.ac.uk (and thats a fact) +Subject: Sax +Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, WALES, UK. +Lines: 5 + +Any more news on Steve's status since he lost the starting job +would be appreciated + +Thanks +gwyn +",9 +9032,"From: phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au +Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians +Organization: Monash University - Melbourne. Australia. +Lines: 42 + +In article , aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) writes: +> +> [Very good and reasonable statements on ""authority"" deleted] +> +> The atheist position seems to be that there are no authorities. This is a +> reasonable assertion in itself, but it leads to a practical difficulty. +> If you reject all authority out of hand, you reject all possibility of +> every receiving information. Thus the atheist position can never possibly +> change. It is non-falsifiable and therefore unscintific. + +This is not true. The athiest's position is that there is no PROOF of the +existence of God. As much as some people accept their Church, their priests +or straight from their own scriptures as the ""proof"", this does not +satisfy atheists. + +Atheists DO believe in recognisable authorities. If they were as dogmatic as +you claim they are, they would be trying to prove 1 + 1 =2 every time they +got up. What they dispute is that Churches, priests, scriptures etc. +represent true authorities and know the TRUTH. + +> To demand scintific or rational proof of God's existence, is to deny +> God's existence, since neither science, nor reason, can, in their very +> nature, prove anything. + +Are you asking us to believe blindly? You are trying to deny that part of +us that makes us ask the question ""Does God exist?"" i.e. self-awareness and +reason. If we do not use our ability to reason we become as ignorant +as the other animals on this earth. Does God want us to be like that? + +You are right that science and reason cannot PROVE anything. However, if +we do not use them we can only then believe on FAITH alone. And since +we can only use faith, why is one picture of ""God"" (e.g. Hinduism) any less +valid than another (e.g. Christianity)? + +> ============================================================================== +> Mark Baker | ""The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but +> aa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts."" -- C. S. Lewis +> ============================================================================== + +-- +Don Lowe, Department of Physics, Monash University, +Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, 3168. +",15 +10587,"From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) +Subject: Re: Debating special ""hate crimes"" laws +Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93 +Lines: 61 +NNTP-Posting-Host: nw12-326-1.mit.edu +In-reply-to: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu + + +In article <1993Apr4.235546.6450@midway.uchicago.edu>, +thf2@midway.uchicago.edu said: + +> > This sort [of] separate treatment by the law has no place in an +> > equal society; the solution to the fact that some classes are more +> > vulnerable to attack or discrimination is to do what has always +> > been done in response to imbalances in criminal activity and +> > citizen protection: to allocate _law enforcement_ resources to +> > more efficiently and effectively deal with the problems, not to +> > rewrite the _law_ itself. [wdstarr] +> +> So how do you feel about increased penalties for killing a policeman? +> A federal employee? Or to use both Scalia's and Stevens's example, +> increased penalties for threatening the president? (I'm assuming +> that, like all good people, you oppose the marital exemption for rape, +> so I won't bring that up.) + +In order of your questions, I oppose it, I oppose it, I oppose it and +(Huh? Wha? Where did _that_ topic come from and what's it got to do +with the discussion at hand? :-) + +When I was discussing the concept of different criminal laws for crimes +against different classes of people (and yes, I do consider laws which +allow/mandate enhanced penalties following conviction based upon the +convict's attitudes towards the class membership of the victim to fit +into that category), the category of classes I had in mind was that of +the standard civil rights discussion -- classes based upon race, gender, +ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, etc. Having you ask about +classes based upon one's _profession_ rather than one's personal +characteristics caught me off guard, and I had to think out the question +from scratch. + +What I finally decided was that the law should not recognize such +classes because to do so would be to formally and officially declare +some people to be of more worth than others, and that would be anathema +to the underlying American concept of equal treatment under the law. + +Last year, when a federal crime bill was under consideration which would +have expanded the federal death penalty to an additional fifty-plus +crimes, including the murder of various federal officers hitherto not +protected by that ""aura of deterrence,"" critics pointed out the +absurdity of having laws which made the death penalty available for the +murder of a federal postal inspector but not for ther murder of a +civilian teacher, when the latter [arguably] provided a much more +valueable service and therefore would be the greater loss to society. +This was an emotionally compelling argument, but even the proponents of +that viewpoint appeared to tacitly assume that the state should judge +some lives as being more valuable than others on the basis of their +""contribution to society."" I view that doctrine as being both (a) +personally repugnant and (b) repugnant to the Equal Protection clause of +the 14th Amendment. + +Accordingly, I believe that there should be no laws which give any +profession-based class of people special protection (via the mechanism +of supplying stronger statutory deterrence of crimes against members of +that class), not even police officers, federal officers or high-ranking +members of the Executive Branch of the federal government. + +-- William December Starr + +",18 +5262,"From: ada41546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Driftwood) +Subject: Re: Jim Lefebvre is an idiot. +Article-I.D.: news.C51uC6.BL1 +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 9 + + + I totally agree with each point you made. Jose Viscaino looked +like a single A hitter up there. Who swings on 3-1 count with Maddux +pitching and your teams down by a run, and you haven't touched the ball all +day. I also think too much is made of that lefty-righty thing. Watching +the Cubs games I get the feeling Steve Stone knows a lot more about what +the Cubs should be doing than Lefebre does. Harry said it best when he +stated after another terrible Vizcaino at bat-- we can't wait til +Sandberg returns! +",9 +2681,"From: petrack@vnet.IBM.COM +Subject: Serial Line connection between Duo 210 and PC??? +Reply-To: petrack@vnet.IBM.COM +Disclaimer: This posting may contain no views at all +News-Software: Usenet 3.1 +Lines: 45 + +I have tried almost everything under the sun to get a null modem connection +between a Mac Duo 210 and a PC. I have used MacKermit and VersaTerm on +the Mac side. I have used Procomm, Kermit, and Softerm (on OS/2) on +the PC (or PS) side. I have used non-Hardware handshaking and hardware +ahdshaking cables. And know MY hands are shaking from the effort. Nothing +has allowed file transfers from the Mac to the PS. + +In general, I can type back and forth with no trouble, but only if both sides +are set to speeds OVER 9600 baud. I cannot send files from the Mac to the +PS at all, and file transfers from the Duo to the PS are not possible. +When I do a straight ascii send, I can send from the PS to the Duo flawlessly. +I can send Binhex files this way quite fast, and I know that the +transmission is error free. +But straight ascii sent from the Mac to the PS is full of errors. +Unless, of course, I do text pacing so slow that it is like human +typing. (well, like 2-3 times faster than human typing). + +I would like to hear from ANYONE who has been able to transfer files +from a Duo 210 to a PS via modem or null modem. If you can do it, please +tell me your EXACT combination of hardware and software. Obviously, I am +talking of a true serial port modem, not the express modem. Maybe some +kind soul with access to a modem and a Duo 210 can check this out for me. + +Right now, I am of the opinion that it won't work at high speeds because +of the power interrupts on the Duo, and it won't work at low speeds +because of some crazy reason I don't understand. + +Could I hear from someone attesting that they can really pump information +out the serial port of a Duo 210 fast? Like via a modem or via a +sys-ex dump? + +Could anyone with a Duo help me out?? I am going absolutely INSANE. +I wanna know if the problem is MY Duo, or all Duo 210s, or all Duos, +or just me. + +Yes, I have checked the cable 1,000,000 times. And not only can I type +back and forth, but Zterm alerts the users if s/he uses hardware handshaking +and CTS is down. So I know that hardware handshaking is working. And also, +According to Zterm port stats, the buffer never overflows. + +Please help me figure out what's going on... + +Scott Petrack +Petrack@haifasc3.vnet.ibm.com + +",4 +1437,"From: hfeldman@infoserv.com (Howard MITCHell Feldman) +Subject: Re: Need longer filenames +Organization: Mind's Eye, Inc. +Lines: 18 +X-Mailer: TMail version 1.13 + +In <1993Apr19.211044.28763@guinness.idbsu.edu>, lhighley@gozer.idbsu.edu (Larry Paul Highley) wrote: +> +> +> Is there a utility out there that will let me use filenames longer than +> the standard 8.3 format. If so please email me. + +please e-mail me too, + +thanks + +...howard +hfeldman@infoserv.com + +--------------------------------------------------------------- + +Howard Feldman +Mind's Eye, Inc. +",2 +1081,"From: al@col.hp.com (Al DeVilbiss) +Subject: Re: WinBench +Article-I.D.: hp-col.1pqp3rINNg85 +Distribution: world +Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division +Lines: 18 +NNTP-Posting-Host: reptile4.col.hp.com + +jorge@erex.East.Sun.COM (Jorge Lach - Sun BOS Hardware) writes: +> Is there any FTP site that carries WinBench results for different graphics +> cards? In Excel (XLS) format? What is the latest version of WinBench and +> how do they differ? Is the source available, and has anybody try to port it to +> X-Window, at least in a way that will make comparisons possible? +> +On ftp.cica.indiana.edu in pub/pc/win3/misc/winadv.zip is a writeup by +Steve Gibson of InfoWorld with winbench 3.11 and a number of other +benchmark results for nine isa and four VLB video cards. This is a +very current upload and is likely to have any card you're currently +giving serious consideration. Not in XLS format. Latest version of +WinBench that I know of is ver 3.11. I believe they try to maintain +the same rating scale between versions, and new versions are released +to defeat the lastest coding tricks put in by driver programmers to +beat the benchmarks. Don't know on the last one. +-- +Al DeVilbiss +al@col.hp.com +",2 +8259,"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) +Subject: Re: DC-X: Vehicle Nears Flight Test +Organization: Texas Instruments Inc +Lines: 14 + +In <1993Apr5.191011.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: + +>Since the DC-X is to take off horizontal, why not land that way?? +>Why do the Martian Landing thing.. Or am I missing something.. Don't know to +>much about DC-X and such.. (overly obvious?). + +You missed something. I think it takes off vertically and is intended +to land the same way. + +-- +""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live + in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. +",14 +2241,"From: randy@msc.cornell.edu (Randy Ellingson) +Subject: ISA bus: SCSI or IDE??!! +Reply-To: randy@msc.cornell.edu +Organization: Cornell University +Lines: 38 + +Wow, you guys are really going wild on this IDE vs. SCSI thing, and I think +it's great! + +However, I think that some people (such as myself) would benefit from answers +to the simple(?) question: Which would YOU choose, and why? + +Like lots of people, I'd really like to increase my data transfer rate from +the hard drive. Right now I have a 15ms 210Mb IDE drive (Seagate 1239A), and +what I would say is a standard (not special, no cache I believe) IDE controller +card on my ISA 486-50. + +I'm currently thinking about adding another HD, in the 300Mb to 500Mb range. +And I'm thinking hard (you should hear those gears a-grinding in my head) +about buying a SCSI drive (SCSI for the future benefit). I believe I'm getting +something like 890Kb/sec transfer right now (according to NU). + +How would this +number compare if I bought the state-of-the-art SCSI card for my ISA PC, and +the state-of-the-art SCSI hard drive (the wailing-est system I could hope for)? + +Obviously money factors into this choice as well as any other, but what would +YOU want to use on your ISA system? And how much would it cost? + +Along those lines, what kind of transfer rate could I see with my IDE HD's if I +were to buy the top-of-the-line IDE caching controller for my 200Mb, 15ms HD? +And how much would it cost? + +I actually have a PAS-16, and could (what a waste I guess it would be...) hook +up a SCSI HD through it's SCSI port which yields an optimum of 690Kb/sec. +Actually, I have a borrowed 12ms Fujitsu HD hooked up through it now (and +own the Trantor HD drivers for the PAS-16 SCSI port). Is this SCSI port a +SCSI-2 port? How could I tell? Is the Fujitsu 2623A a SCSI-2? Are all SCSI +HD's SCSI-2? + +Thanks for any comments. + +Randy + +",3 +4778,"From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) +Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets +Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com +Organization: Bellcore +Distribution: usa +Lines: 40 + +In article <211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com>, +maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: +|> +|> Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to +|> rock +|> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it... +|> +|> So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and +|> repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes. +|> +|> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know +|> for +|> certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... +|> church +|> meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should +|> I just +|> pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or +|> should I +|> maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my +|> likely +|> passenger? + + My rule of thumb is ""Don't give rides to people that wear +a bigger helmet than you"", unless your taste runs that way, +or they are family.friends. +Gee, reminds me of a *dancer* in Hull, just over the river +from Ottowa, that I saw a few years ago, for her I would a +bought a bigger helmet (or even her own bike) or anything +else she wanted ;-> +-- +########################################################## +There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES + and TARGETS !!! +#1/XS1100LH DoD #956 #2 Next raise +Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063 +Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist +#include My opinions are my own!!! +I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo +in the same store. + +",8 +9771,"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) +Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 +Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA +Lines: 44 + +In roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: + +>And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their +>hands up while national tv cameras watch. + + Would *you* have come out if you knew the only national TV +cameras were well over a mile away, and yet the agents with the guns +were only a few yards away? They had contact with a lawyer, so I +am inclined to believe they had an idea of what their situation +actually was. This also leads to the conspiracy theory that the +lawyer had the BATF pinned on rights violations if the BD's +acted as witnesses, hence the arson. I doubt that one too, but +it is still quite clear that leaving a safe place to surrender is +a rather stupid thing to do until that place is no longer safe. + +>Do you disbelieve everything the FBI says? + + As a matter of course, given how they've allowed no other +views to be heard. I'll reserve judgement until the trial, but so +far as the FBI is concerned their statements carry the same amount +of weight as photons at rest. + +>The BATF is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair. +>But to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is +>ludicrous. + + Ludicrous, yes. Possible, yes. Plausible? Get the jury. + +>If the fire were set by accident or by people outside the compound, I would +>have expected far more cult members to flee the compound. Or at least come +>out shooting. + + That's what gets me too. It is likely the cult members were +holed up in an enforced place inside the building. With a decent arson +attempt I suspect many of them could have been trapped. In addition, +the introduction of CS gas for several hours would have rendered many +of them immobile if not unconscious when their masks quit. All the props +are there, but proving what scene was played is difficult. The only +certainty is that the FBI and BATF have few witnesses against them. + +< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > +< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > +< USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > +< unusual people. And flame them. > +",16 +3112,"From: leec@cb-iris.Stanford.EDU (Christopher Lee) +Subject: HELP! Setting Colormaps on multi-top-level APP +Keywords: GLX mixed-model,colormap +Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA +Lines: 71 + + +Dear SGI and netter GL-X Mixed-Model experts, +I am writing a mixed model application that creates a couple different +color maps for different windows, and I've been having trouble getting +the window manager to reliably honor my requests. In some environments +(entry level R3000 Indigo w/ 4.0.5) all windows are getting properly +connected to their designated color maps, but on others (an IRIS 4D 240/GTX; +also a different entry level Indigo) the color mapping is unreliable +and changes behavior when I compile at different times. The most common +problem is that all non-top-level windows fail to be displayed according +to their colormap. My application starts out by creating three top-level +windows; in some cases all but the first of these also fail to be +displayed by their colormap. This is spectacularly aggravating. + +I would dearly appreciate + 1. an explanation of the standard, RIGHT, CORRECT way to give a window + a colormap such that the Window Manager will Honor and Obey it; + + 2. any advice about problems that could cause my failure to get my + desired colormaps. + +By now I have exhausted my own attempts on this, having tried everything +reasonable or imaginable. + +Below is example code giving the schematic for how I have been *TRYING* +to do this. Please, please, please SOMEBODY tell me what I am doing +wrong/how to do it right!!! + + +Yours, + +Chris Lee + +/***********************************************************************/ +Display* dpy; /* DECLARE SOME DATA... */ +Colormap popup_cmap; +XColor mycolor; +Window win; +XSetWindowAttributes cwa; +int nwlist; +Window *wlist; + +/* NB: FOR BREVITY, NOT SHOWING ALL CODE LINES--JUST A SCHEMATIC */ + +popup_cmap=XCreateColormap(dpy,DefaultRootWindow(dpy),vis->visual,AllocAll); + +/* HERE WE STORE A BUNCH OF COLORS USING + XStoreColor(dpy,popup_cmap,&mycolor); ... */ + +cwa.colormap = popup_cmap; +win = XCreateWindow(dpy, parent, x, y, w, h, + borderWidth, vis->depth, InputOutput, vis->visual, + CWColormap|CWBorderPixel, &cwa); + + +/* LIST ALL SUB WINDOWS OF my_topwin, PARENT OF win, INTO wlist; + nwlist IS COUNTER OF ENTRIES IN wlist. + + NB: wlist is static storage that can be relied on not to go away + or be corrupted. I thought of that! Does anyone know if + setting WM properties is by data copy, or by reference pointer? + + ie. is it acceptable to pass data for a Property, then free + the data? */ +XSetWMColormapWindows(dpy,my_topwin,wlist,nwlist); + +XMapRaised(Display0,win); + +/* LATER ON WE HANDLE XEvents NORMALLY... TYPICAL EVENTLOOP */ + + +",5 +3498,"From: eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (Eric J. Hansen) +Subject: Preamp and CD player forsale in MA +Article-I.D.: cheever.eric-060493114735 +Organization: Center for Clinical Computing - Boston, MA. +Lines: 28 + +Forsale: + +Proton P1100 preamplifier +========================= About 3.5 years old, originally $299, asking $150 +or best offer. Has inputs for tape 1, tape 2, CD, phono, video and tuner. +Separate listen and record selectors. Bass EQ, subharmonic filter and mono +switch. High quality volume potentiometer. In excellent condition, with +original boxes and manual. + +Sony D-88 portable Diskman +========================== This is the one designed to play the mini CD's. +You can play normal size CDs, but the disk sticks out the side. Works +well, +but may skip occasionally - it should be tuned up (heads aligned, cleaned, +etc.) In excellent condition. It has not been used all that much. With +carrying case. Original list was (I think) $300, but I'll take $80 or best +offer. It would be good for an office or just to sit on your desk. + +Please email me or telephone at +(617) 278-0068. + +Eric + +*---------------------------------------------------------------------* +| Eric J. Hansen .................... eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu | +| Center for Clinical Computing .......... Boston, MA (617) 732-5925 | +| .... DOS/Mac programming, Ultrix administration, general chaos .... | +*---------------------------------------------------------------------* +",6 +7295,"From: ah499@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Daniels) +Subject: HELP!: Apple II Expansion Chassis by Mountain Computer +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) +Lines: 25 +NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu + + +I recently bought an apparantly complete Expansion Chassis by Mountain +Computer Inc. It consists of a box with 8 Apple ][+ compatible slots, +powersupply brick, interface card and ribbon cable to attach it to the computer +to be expanded. There was also included a small card with empty sockets on top +and pins on the bottom that looks like it would plug into the ][+ motherboard +somewhere after pulling a chip. There's an empty socket also on the interface +card and a short 16-pin DIP jumper like the ones used with ][+ language cards. + +This technological marvel came with no docs and I haven't a clue as how to hook +this thing up. If anyone has docs and/or users disk of any sort for this I +could really use copies of them or at least some help. + +I need to know: + +o How to orient the ribbon cable between the card and the chassis. +o How to attach the short cable from the motherboard to the card + and if the small card is used. +o The purposes of the various jumper-pins on the card (it has more + of those than my CMS SCSI card!) + + +thanks John Daniels + ah499@cleveland.freenet.edu + +",12 +11018,"From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) +Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is +Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. +Lines: 31 +X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 + +frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: +> In article <1qg8bu$kl5@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon +> Livesey) writes: +> #And this ""objective morality"" is........? +> +> And here, children, we have a person playing the ""objective morality doesn't +> exist, show me one"" game. You can play this with just about anything: +> +> And this ""objective medicine"" is.....? +> And this ""objective physics"" is.....? +> And this ""objective reality"" is.....? + +Precisely. + +There's no objective medicine; some people get marvellous results from +alternative therapy, others only respond to traditional medicine. + +There's no objective physics; Einstein and Bohr have told us that. + +There's no objective reality. LSD should be sufficient to prove that. + +> One wonders just what people who ask such questions understand by the term +> ""objective"", if anything. + +I consider it to be a useful fiction; an abstract ideal we can strive +towards. Like an ideal gas or a light inextensible string, it doesn't +actually exist; but we can talk about things as if they were like it, and not +be too far wrong. + + +mathew +",19 +9433,"From: hambidge@bms.com +Subject: Re: Gun Control: proud to be a Canuck +Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com +Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb +Lines: 28 + +In article <1pqsruINNiae@hp-col.col.hp.com>, dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) writes: +>Does anyone really believe the Swiss have had no war within their borders +>because every adult male owns a rifle? I'm a great admirer of the Swiss, but +>500 years of peace on their turf has zilch to do with gun ownership. Can you +>picture Hitler, with Panzers and Focke-Wulfs poised on the border, losing +>sleep over a few thousand expert rifleman? + +Not just because of the riflemen. They also have many hard bunkers in +the mountains that would be nearly impossible to penetrate. As for +tanks, they would be rather useless in such mountainous terrain. + +>Hitler stayed out of Switzerland because the Swiss run the money in this +>world. + +Gee, that's a new one. He thought it was a different ethnic group. +Since Hitler was determined to control, at the least, all of Europe, +do you think he gave a damn about international monetary concerns? +Also, there's a LOT of gold in Swiss vaults. Don't you think he new +that? If he could have, he would have taken Switzerland. However, +crazy as he was, he wasn't totally stupid. It would have cost him a +hell of a lot to take Switzerland, with no guarantee that an invasion +would be successful. He probably figured (or his generals did, when +he was listening to them) that it wasn't worth the cost. + +Al +[standard disclaimer] + + +",16 +9099,"From: shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker) +Subject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Stan +Organization: Shell Oil +Lines: 36 + +In article dsegard@nyx.cs.du.edu (Daniel Segard) writes: + +> That argument would be more compelling if it were not for the +>Ishtar eggs and Ishtar bunnies. Why mix pagan fertility symbols from the +>worship of the pagan goddess of fertility with Biblical belief? What +>would really be lost if all of you were to just drop the word ""Easter"" and +>replace all such occurances with ""Resurrection Sunday""? Would you not +>show up for services if they were called ""Resurrection Sunday Services"" +>rather than ""Easter Services""? + +There is another way to view this. The True Celebration is Easter, +the Resurrection of Our Lord. This has been true from the foundation +of the world. Pagan practices are then either: + +1. foreshadowings of the True Celebration of the Resurrection, + in which dim light was shone forth so that people would + recognize the full truth when it was manifested, OR + +2. satanic counterfeits intended to deceive us so that we would not + recognize the truth when it was manifested. + +I don't believe the second argument, because I believe in the power +of the Resurrection, the fulfillment of the Incarnation, and our hope. +Earlier or parallel ideas in other religions clearly are dim images of +the truth of the Resurrection. As Paul states, we see through a glass +darkly. So do others. It serves no purpose arguing about who has +the darker or lighter glass. The foreshadowings are not perfect. +So what? Our understnding of God is today imperfect, for we are not +yet perfected. Theosis is not a gift such that WHAM, we're perfect. + +Larry Overacker (llo@shell.com) +-- +------- +Lawrence Overacker +Shell Oil Company, Information Center Houston, TX (713) 245-2965 +llo@shell.com +",15 +6556,"From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko) +Subject: Re: How to detect use of an illegal cipher? +Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA +Lines: 19 + +In article ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) writes: +> +>I probably shouldn't say this, but they could try to detect the use +>of an illegal cypher by transmitting in the clear some statistical +>properties of the plaintext. An old-fashioned wiretap could then +>detect the use of pre-encryption, which would drastically increase +>the measured entropy of the input. A countermeasure to this would +>be to use steganographic techniques which put out voice. + +This way to detect pre-encryption may be defeated ; one can do +transformation of the spectrum of encrypted signal just by adding some +pre-arranged (in the beginning of communication) function. +I think so. Say, you can do FFT of your encrypted signal. +Just thinking ... + +-- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + For PGP2.1 public key finger mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +",11 +2712,"From: chungkuo@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Shawn FitzGerald) +Subject: Quadra 900 startup w/out monitor...ya right. +Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI +Lines: 11 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: umcc.umcc.umich.edu + +Is there a fix for this? We have a Quadra 900 that will NOT finish startup +unless there is a monitor connected. This would be no problem, but since +we're running it as a file server, there is no need to have a monitor +connected all the time. + + +-- +Horsefeathers? +Shawn FitzGerald UMCC (U of M Computing Club) Michigan +chungkuo@umcc.umich.edu ""Whether you are quiet and alive, or +quiet and dead makes no difference to Cerebus."" +",4 +10821,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) +Subject: Re: Lincoln & slavery (Re: Top Ten Tricks You Can Play on the American Voter) +Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA +Lines: 27 + +In article , cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes: +> Craig Depken writes: +> +> The fact that the South had a number of slave owners is true, but +> relatively small numbers (around 1200) had more than a few hundred slaves. +> (I have to get references that I do not have here for +> exact numbers.) +> +> If it has any bearing on this discussion, I saw a figure for the total +> number of slave-owners as 300,000. Does anyone have a figure for how +> many slaves there were? How many farmers without slaves? +> +> Chris Brewster E-MAIL ADDRESS: cb@cray.com + +In 1860: + +region total population free blacks % slaves % +U.S. 32,227,616 487,070 1.5% 3,953,818 12.3% +Confederacy 9,103,332 132,760 1.5% 3,521,110 38.7% +Union Slave States 3,212,041 128,158 4.0% 432,586 13.5% +All Union States 23,124,284 354,310 1.5% 432,708 1.9% +Union ""Free"" States 19,912,243 226,152 1.1% 122 0.0% + + +-- +Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! +Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. +",18 +5406,"From: jerry@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com (Gerald Lanza) +Subject: Re: Seeking Moe Berg reference/info +Organization: Olivetti North America (Shelton, CT) +Lines: 23 + +In article <8813@blue.cis.pitt.edu> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: +>I seem to have misplaced the baseball bibliography that was posted here +>recently. (That's what happens when you have to split a heap of disorganized +>files from one machine among two others.) Could some kind soul repost the +>bibliography, or mail me a copy? +> +>Also, in particular, a colleague of mine is looking for any information he +>can find on Moe Berg, catcher/linguist/espion of WW2. Any references (or +>anecdotes, for that matter) would be appreciated. +> +>Dave +> + I believe SI had an in-depth article on Moe a while ago. I remember + that the article revealed some new facts regarding the secretive + Moe. My SI subscription expired this past February, the second of + two years that I received same. Therefore my guess is that the + article appeared sometime in 1991-92. + + Can anyone else be more definitive as to a date of the SI article ? + + + jerry + +",9 +6900,"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) +Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. +Organization: Partnership for an America Free Drug +Distribution: na +Lines: 14 + +res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes: +> +>Wouldn't a a second monitor of similar type scrolling gibberish and adjacent +>to the one being used provide reasonable resistance to tempest attacks? + +It would be in a different location, so a directional antenna could +probably lock in on just the one monitor. Failing that, a phased array +could likely seperate the signals. Admittedly, this is expensive, but +so is all the rest of this stuff anyway. + +-- +Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com +-- +Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. +",11 +9828,"From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) +Subject: Government Exlanations for WACO +Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting +Lines: 8 + +When you have no principles, you can't admit that someone else might, +and everyone who acts differently from what you expect can only be a nutcase. +-- +Dave Feustel N9MYI + +I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes +to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the +federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds. +",16 +2810,"From: Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams) +Subject: Re: Adding VRAM to Quadra 800 ? +Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, CA +Lines: 13 + +In article +wstuartj@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (W Stuart Jones) writes: +> I want to go from 512K to 1M VRAM on my Quadra 800. How many 512K SIMMS +> do I +> need to buy? Is the current 512K soldered on the board or do I need to take +> out the current VRAM before I add more? + +You need to add two 256K VRAM SIMMs; 512K VRAM SIMMs will not work in any +of the Quadra or Centris machines. There is already 512K of VRAM soldered +to the logic board. You add the two 256K SIMMs to this to give you a +total of 1 MB. + +- Dale Adams +",4 +4289,"From: dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) +Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... +Nntp-Posting-Host: mudd.se.houston.geoquest.slb.com +Organization: GeoQuest System, Inc. Houston +Lines: 13 + +In article <1qke5b$mc4@spool.mu.edu> jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson) writes: +>>From article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU>, by ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (""Erik Velapoldi""): +>>> This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway. +>>> Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to +>>> throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five +>>> cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly +> +>About a year ago, some kids tossed a rock off an overpass on I-94 near Eau +>Claire, Wisconsin and it killed the driver below. (I believe he was a +>schoolteacher from Minnesota.) + +Here in Houston a couple years ago a young pregnant woman was killed +in a similar manner. +",7 +8537,"From: globus@nas.nasa.gov (Al Globus) +Subject: Space Colony Size Preferences Summary +Organization: Applied Research Office, NASA Ames Research Center +Reply-To: globus@nas.nasa.gov +Distribution: sci.space +Lines: 92 + + +Some time ago I sent the following message: + Every once in a while I design an orbital space colony. I'm gearing up to + do another one. I'd some info from you. If you were to move + onto a space colony to live permanently, how big would the colony have + to be for you to view a permanent move as desirable? Specifically, + + How many people do you want to share the colony with? + + + What physical dimensions does the living are need to have? + + + Assume 1g living (the colony will rotate). Assume that you can leave + from time to time for vacations and business trips. If you're young + enough, assume that you'll raise your children there. + +I didn't get a lot of responses, and they were all over the block. +Thanx muchly to all those who responded, it is good food for thought. + + + + +Here's the (edited) responses I got: + + + How many people do you want to share the colony with? + +100 + + What physical dimensions does the living are need to have? + +Cylinder 200m diameter x 1 km long + +Rui Sousa +ruca@saber-si.pt + +============================================================================= + +> How many people do you want to share the colony with? + +100,000 - 250,000 + +> What physical dimensions does the living are need to have? + +100 square kms surface, divided into city, towns, villages and +countryside. Must have lakes, rivers amd mountains. + +============================================================================= + +> How many +1000. 1000 people really isn't that large a number; +everyone will know everyone else within the space of a year, and will probably +be sick of everyone else within another year. + +>What physical dimensions does the living are need to have? + +Hm. I am not all that great at figuring it out. But I would maximize the +percentage of colony-space that is accessible to humans. Esecially if there +were to be children, since they will figure out how to go everywhere anyways. +And everyone, especially me, likes to ""go exploring""...I would want to be able +to go for a walk and see something different each time... + +============================================================================= + +For population, I think I would want a substantial town -- big enough +to have strangers in it. This helps get away from the small-town +""everybody knows everything"" syndrome, which some people like but +I don't. Call it several thousand people. + +For physical dimensions, a somewhat similar criterion: big enough +to contain surprises, at least until you spent considerable time +getting to know it. As a more specific rule of thumb, big enough +for there to be places at least an hour away on foot. Call that +5km, which means a 10km circumference if we're talking a sphere. + + Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology + henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry + +============================================================================= +My desires, for permanent move to a space colony, assuming easy communication +and travel: + +Size: About a small-town size, say 9 sq. km. 'Course, bigger is better :-) +Population: about 100/sq km or less. So, ~1000 for 9sqkm. Less is +better for elbow room, more for interest and sanity, so say max 3000, min 300. + +-Tommy Mac +------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Tom McWilliams | 517-355-2178 (work) \\ Inhale to the Chief! +18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu | 336-9591 (hm)\\ Zonker Harris in 1996! +------------------------------------------------------------------------- +",14 +9769,"From: fontenot@ravl.rice.edu (Dwayne Jacques Fontenot) +Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! +Organization: Rice University +Lines: 25 + +In green@plains.NoDak.edu (Bill Green) writes: +>Just to shed some light on the fire, it was widely reported (AP, etc.) that +>there WERE several witnesses to BD folks starting the fires. It has also +>been reported that the fires broke out in several places at once, which +>rules out a Bradley knocking over a lamp, etc. as the cause. + +Consider this: The BDs had more than one lamp; The tanks made more than +one hole in the building. Did anyone else notice on the video that it +appeared that wherever there was smoke coming out of the building, there +was a tank nearby? + +The fact that it appears that fires started in several places does not +rule out anything. + +Also, where are these several witnesses? The way I heard it (from the FBI +spokesman on CNN) the ""witnesses"" were all people driving the tanks. + +>One other point, I'm no fan of Janet Reno, but I do like the way she had the +>""balls"" to go ahead and take full responsibility. Seems like the waffle boy +>had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue. + +Too bad nothing will happen to her or him. The FBI and the media have +done their job well. + +Dwayne Jacques Fontenot +",16 +10337,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) +Subject: Re: THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH +Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu +Organization: University of California, Irvine +Lines: 15 + +In article <1993Apr17.160731.3178@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> alaa@peewee.unx.dec.com (Alaa Zeineldine) writes: +>nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) writes: +>: +>: THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH +>: +>: (Following is a transcript of a recruitment and training +>: videotape made last summer by the Qassam Battalions, the military +>> +>Alaa Zeineldine + +While you brought up the separate question of Israel's unjustified +policies and practices, I am still unclear about your reaction to +the practices and polocies reflected in the article above. + +Tim +",17 +964,"From: nfotis@ntua.gr (Nick C. Fotis) +Subject: Re: more on radiosity +Organization: National Technical University of Athens +Lines: 34 + +amann@iam.unibe.ch (Stephan Amann) writes: + +>In article 66319@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, xz775327@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Xia Zhao) writes: +>> +>> +>>In article <1993Apr19.131239.11670@aragorn.unibe.ch>, you write: +>>|> +>>|> +>>|> Let's be serious... I'm working on a radiosity package, written in C++. +>>|> I would like to make it public domain. I'll announce it in c.g. the minute +>>|> I finished it. +>>|> +>>|> That were the good news. The bad news: It'll take another 2 months (at least) +>>|> to finish it. + +Please note that there are some radiosity packages in my Resource Listing +(under the Subject 3: FTP list) + +Greetings, +Nick. +-- +Nick (Nikolaos) Fotis National Technical Univ. of Athens, Greece +HOME: 16 Esperidon St., InterNet : nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr + Halandri, GR - 152 32 UUCP: mcsun!ariadne!theseas!nfotis + Athens, GREECE FAX: (+30 1) 77 84 578 + +USENET Editor of comp.graphics Resource Listing and soc.culture.greece FAQ +NTUA/UA ACM Student Chapter Chair - we're organizing a small conference + in Comp. Graphics, call if you're interested to participate. +-- +Nick (Nikolaos) Fotis National Technical Univ. of Athens, Greece +HOME: 16 Esperidon St., InterNet : nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr + Halandri, GR - 152 32 UUCP: mcsun!ariadne!theseas!nfotis + Athens, GREECE FAX: (+30 1) 77 84 578 +",1 +2837,"From: chongo@toad.com (Landon C. Noll) +Subject: Reposting: 10th International Obfuscated C Code Contest rules (2 of 2) +Expires: 8 May 93 00:00:00 GMT +Reply-To: chongo@toad.com (Landon C. Noll) +Distribution: world +Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco +Lines: 1409 +Keywords: ioccc + +We have received a number of requests for a reposting of the +International Obfuscated C Code Contest rules and guidelines. Also +some people requested that these rules be posted to a wider set of +groups. Sorry for the cross posting. + +Some technical clarifications were made to the rules and guidelines. +(See the diff marks at the right hand edge) The rules and guidelines +for this year remain the same, so people who have already or are +in the process of submitting entries for the 1993 IOCCC need not worry +about these changes. + +chongo /\cc/\ chongo@toad.com +Larry Bassel lab@sun.com + +=-= + +#!/bin/sh +# This is part 02 of a multipart archive +# ============= mkentry.c ============== +echo ""x - extracting mkentry.c (Text)"" +sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > mkentry.c && +X/* @(#)mkentry.c 1.25 4/5/93 15:58:08 */ +X/* +X * Copyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993. +X * All Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use +X * is granted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its +X * entirety and remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior +X * permission in writing from both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel. +X */ +X/* +X * mkentry - make an International Obfuscated C Code Contest entry +X * +X * usage: +X * mkentry -r remarks -b build -p prog.c -o ioccc.entry +X * +X * -r remarks file with remarks about the entry +X * -b build file containing how prog.c should be built +X * -p prog.c the obfuscated program source file +X * -o ioccc.entry ioccc entry output file +X * +X * compile by: +X * cc mkentry.c -o mkentry +X */ +X/* +X * Placed in the public domain by Landon Curt Noll, 1992. +X * +X * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED ``AS IS'' AND WITHOUT ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED +X * WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF +X * MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. +X */ +X/* +X * WARNING: +X * +X * This program attempts to implement the IOCCC rules. Every attempt +X * has been made to make sure that this program produces an entry that +X * conforms to the contest rules. In all cases, where this program +X * differs from the contest rules, the contest rules will be used. Be +X * sure to check with the contest rules before submitting an entry. +X * +X * FOR MORE INFORMATION: +X * +X * You may contact the judges by sending Email to the following address: +X * +X * ...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!judges (not the address for +X * judges@toad.com submitting entries) +X * +X * Questions and comments about the contest are welcome. +X * +X * The rules and the guidelines may (and often do) change from year to +X * year. You should be sure you have the current rules and guidelines +X * prior to submitting entries. To obtain them, send Email to the address +X * above and use the subject 'send rules'. +X * +X * One may obtain winners of previous contests (1984 to date), via ftp from: +X * +X * host: ftp.uu.net (192.48.96.9) +X * user: anonymous +X * pass: yourname@yourhost +X * dir: ~/pub/ioccc +X * +X * As a last resort, previous winners may be obtained by sending Email +X * to the above address. Please use the subject 'send YEAR winners', +X * where YEAR is a single 4 digit year, a year range, or 'all'. +X * +X * Because contest rules change from year to year, one should only use this +X * program for the year that it was intended. Be sure that the RULE_YEAR +X * define below matches this current year. +X */ +X +X#include +X#include +X#include +X#include +X#include +X +X/* logic */ +X#ifndef TRUE +X# define TRUE 1 +X#endif /* TRUE */ +X#ifndef FALSE +X# define FALSE 0 +X#endif /* FALSE */ +X#define EOF_OK TRUE +X#define EOF_NOT_OK FALSE +X +X/* global limits */ +X#define RULE_YEAR 1993 /* NOTE: should match the current year */ +X#define START_DATE ""1Mar92 0:00 UTC"" /* first confirmation received */ +X#define MAX_COL 79 /* max column a line should hit */ +X#define MAX_BUILD_SIZE 256 /* max how to build size */ +X#define MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE 3217 /* max program source size */ +X#define MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2 1536 /* max program source size not counting +X whitespace and {}; not followed by +X whitespace or EOF */ +X#define MAX_TITLE_LEN 12 /* max chars in the title */ +X#define MAX_ENTRY_LEN 1 /* max length in the entry input line */ +X#define MAX_ENTRY 8 /* max number of entries per person per year */ +X#define MAX_FILE_LEN 1024 /* max filename length for a info file */ +X +X/* where to send entries */ +X#define ENTRY_ADDR1 ""...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!obfuscate"" +X#define ENTRY_ADDR2 ""obfuscate@toad.com"" +X +X/* uuencode process - assumes ASCII */ +X#define UUENCODE(c) (encode_str[(int)(c)&0xff]) +X#define UUENCODE_LEN 45 /* max uuencode chunk size */ +X#define UUINFO_MODE 0444 /* mode of an info file's uuencode file */ +X#define UUBUILD_MODE 0444 /* mode of the build file's uuencode file */ +X#define UUBUILD_NAME ""build"" /* name for the build file's uuencode file */ +X#define UUPROG_MODE 0444 /* mode of the program's uuencode file */ +X#define UUPROG_NAME ""prog.c"" /* name for the program's uuencode file */ +X +X/* encode_str[(char)val] is the uuencoded character of val */ +Xchar encode_str[256+1] = ""`!\""#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\""#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\""#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\""#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_""; +X +X/* global declarations */ +Xchar *program; /* our name */ +Xlong start_time; /* the startup time */ +X +X/* forward declarations */ +Xvoid parse_args(); +Xvoid usage(); +XFILE *open_remark(); +XFILE *open_build(); +XFILE *open_program(); +XFILE *open_output(); +Xvoid output_entry(); +Xvoid output_remark(); +Xvoid output_author(); +Xvoid output_info(); +Xvoid output_build(); +Xvoid output_program(); +Xvoid output_end(); +Xint get_line(); +Xvoid output_till_dot(); +Xint col_len(); +Xvoid check_io(); +Xvoid uuencode(); +X +Xmain(argc, argv) +X int argc; /* arg count */ +X char **argv; /* the args */ +X{ +X FILE *remark=NULL; /* open remarks stream */ +X FILE *build=NULL; /* open build file stream */ +X FILE *prog=NULL; /* open program stream */ +X FILE *output=NULL; /* open output stream */ +X char *rname=NULL; /* file with remarks about the entry */ +X char *bname=NULL; /* file containing how prog.c should be built */ +X char *pname=NULL; /* the obfuscated program source file */ +X char *oname=NULL; /* ioccc entry output file */ +X struct tm *tm; /* startup time structure */ +X +X /* +X * check on the year +X */ +X start_time = time((long *)0); +X tm = gmtime(&start_time); +X if (tm->tm_year != RULE_YEAR-1900) { +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: WARNING: this program applies to %d, which may differ from %d\n\n"", +X argv[0], RULE_YEAR, 1900+tm->tm_year); +X } +X +X /* +X * parse the command line args +X */ +X parse_args(argc, argv, &rname, &bname, &pname, &oname); +X +X /* +X * open/check the input and output files +X * +X * We open and truncate the output file first, in case it is the same +X * as one of the input files. +X */ +X output = open_output(oname); +X remark = open_remark(rname); +X build = open_build(bname); +X prog = open_program(pname); +X if (output==NULL || remark==NULL || build==NULL || prog==NULL) { +X exit(1); +X } +X +X /* +X * output each section +X */ +X output_entry(output, oname); +X output_remark(output, oname, remark, rname); +X output_author(output, oname); +X output_info(output, oname); +X output_build(output, oname, build, bname); +X output_program(output, oname, prog, pname); +X output_end(output, oname); +X +X /* +X * flush the output +X */ +X if (fflush(output) == EOF) { +X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: flush error in %s: "", program, oname); +X perror(""""); +X exit(2); +X } +X +X /* +X * final words +X */ +X printf(""\nYour entry can be found in %s. You should check this file\n"", +X oname); +X printf(""correct any problems and verify that the uudecode utility will\n""); +X printf(""correctly decode your build file and program.\n\n""); +X printf(""This program has been provided as a guide for submitters. In\n""); +X printf(""cases where it conflicts with the rules, the rules shall apply.\n""); +X printf(""It is your responsibility to ensure that your entry conforms to\n""); +X printf(""the current rules.\n\n""); +X printf(""Email your entries to:\n""); +X printf(""\t%s\n"", ENTRY_ADDR1); +X printf(""\t%s\n\n"", ENTRY_ADDR2); +X printf(""Please use the following subject when you Email your entry:\n""); +X printf(""\tioccc entry\n\n""); +X /* all done */ +X exit(0); +X} +X +X/* +X * parse_args - parse the command line args +X * +X * Given the command line args, this function parses them and sets the +X * required name flags. This function will return only if the command +X * line syntax is correct. +X */ +Xvoid +Xparse_args(argc, argv, rname, bname, pname, oname) +X int argc; /* arg count */ +X char **argv; /* the args */ +X char **rname; /* file with remarks about the entry */ +X char **bname; /* file containing how prog.c should be built */ +X char **pname; /* the obfuscated program source file */ +X char **oname; /* ioccc entry output file */ +X{ +X char *optarg; /* -flag option operand */ +X int flagname; /* the name of the -flag */ +X int i; +X +X /* +X * Not everyone has getopt, so we must parse args by hand. +X */ +X program = argv[0]; +X for (i=1; i < argc; ++i) { +X +X /* determine the flagname */ +X if (argv[i][0] != '-') { +X usage(1); +X /*NOTREACHED*/ +X } +X flagname = (int)argv[i][1]; +X +X /* determine the flag's operand */ +X if (flagname != '\0' && argv[i][2] != '\0') { +X optarg = &argv[i][2]; +X } else { +X if (i+1 >= argc) { +X usage(2); +X /*NOTREACHED*/ +X } else { +X optarg = argv[++i]; +X } +X } +X +X /* save the flag's operand in the correct global variable */ +X switch (flagname) { +X case 'r': +X *rname = optarg; +X break; +X case 'b': +X *bname = optarg; +X break; +X case 'p': +X *pname = optarg; +X break; +X case 'o': +X *oname = optarg; +X break; +X default: +X usage(3); +X /*NOTREACHED*/ +X } +X } +X +X /* +X * verify that we have all of the required flags +X */ +X if (*rname == NULL || *bname == NULL || *pname == NULL || *oname == NULL) { +X usage(4); +X /*NOTREACHED*/ +X } +X return; +X} +X +X/* +X * usage - print a usage message and exit +X * +X * This function does not return. +X */ +Xvoid +Xusage(exitval) +X int exitval; /* exit with this value */ +X{ +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""usage: %s -r remarks -b build -p prog.c -o ioccc.entry\n\n"", program); +X fprintf(stderr, ""\t-r remarks\tfile with remarks about the entry\n""); +X fprintf(stderr, ""\t-b build\tfile containing how prog.c should be built\n""); +X fprintf(stderr, ""\t-p prog.c\tthe obfuscated program source file\n""); +X fprintf(stderr, ""\t-o ioccc.entry\tioccc entry output file\n""); +X exit(exitval); +X} +X +X/* +X * open_remark - open/check the remark file +X * +X * The remark file should be indented by 4 spaces, and should not extend +X * beyond column MAX_COL. These are not requirements, so we only warn. +X * +X * This function returns NULL on I/O or format error. +X */ +XFILE * +Xopen_remark(filename) +X char *filename; +X{ +X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */ +X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input buffer */ +X int toolong=0; /* number of lines that are too long */ +X int non_indent=0; /* number of lines not indented by 4 spaces */ +X +X /* +X * open the remark input file +X */ +X stream = fopen(filename, ""r""); +X if (stream == NULL) { +X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot open remark file: %s: "", +X program, filename); +X perror(""""); +X return(NULL); +X } +X +X /* +X * look at each line +X */ +X while (fgets(buf, BUFSIZ, stream) != NULL) { +X +X /* count lines that do not start with 4 spaces */ +X if (buf[0] != '\n' && strncmp(buf, "" "", 4) != 0) { +X ++non_indent; +X } +X +X /* count long lines */ +X if (col_len(buf) > MAX_COL) { +X /* found a line that is too long */ +X ++toolong; +X } +X } +X +X /* watch for I/O errors */ +X check_io(stream, filename, EOF_OK); +X +X /* note long lines if needed */ +X if (toolong > 0) { +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: WARNING: %d line(s) from %s extend beyond the 80th column\n"", +X program, toolong, filename); +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: This is ok, but it would be nice to avoid\n\n"", +X program); +X } +X +X /* note non-indented lines, if needed */ +X if (non_indent > 0) { +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: WARNING: %d line(s) from %s are not indented by 4 spaces\n"", +X program, non_indent, filename); +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: This is ok, but it would be nice to avoid\n\n"", +X program); +X } +X +X /* return the open file */ +X rewind(stream); +X return(stream); +X} +X +X/* +X * open_build - open/check the build file +X * +X * The how to build file must not be longer than MAX_BUILD_SIZE bytes. +X * +X * This function returns NULL on I/O or size error. +X */ +XFILE * +Xopen_build(filename) +X char *filename; +X{ +X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */ +X struct stat statbuf; /* the status of the open file */ +X +X /* +X * open the how to build input file +X */ +X stream = fopen(filename, ""r""); +X if (stream == NULL) { +X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot open how to build file: %s: "", +X program, filename); +X perror(""""); +X return(NULL); +X } +X +X /* +X * determine the size of the file +X */ +X if (fstat(fileno(stream), &statbuf) < 0) { +X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot stat how to build file: %s: "", +X program, filename); +X perror(""""); +X return(NULL); +X } +X if (statbuf.st_size > MAX_BUILD_SIZE) { +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: FATAL: the how to build file: %s, is %d bytes long\n"", +X program, filename, statbuf.st_size); +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: it may not be longer than %d bytes\n"", +X program, MAX_BUILD_SIZE); +X return(NULL); +X } +X +X /* return the open file */ +X return(stream); +X} +X +X/* +X * open_program - open/check the program source file +X * +X * The program source file must be <= 3217 bytes. The number of +X * non-whitespace and }{; chars not followed by whitespace must +X * be <= 1536 bytes. +X * +X * This function returns NULL on I/O or size error. +X */ +XFILE * +Xopen_program(filename) +X char *filename; +X{ +X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */ +X struct stat statbuf; /* the status of the open file */ +X int count; /* special count size */ +X int c; /* the character read */ +X +X /* +X * open the program source input file +X */ +X stream = fopen(filename, ""r""); +X if (stream == NULL) { +X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot open program source file: %s: "", +X program, filename); +X perror(""""); +X exit(7); +X } +X +X /* +X * determine the size of the file +X */ +X if (fstat(fileno(stream), &statbuf) < 0) { +X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot stat program source file: %s: "", +X program, filename); +X perror(""""); +X return(NULL); +X } +X if (statbuf.st_size > MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE) { +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: FATAL: the program source file: %s, is %d bytes long\n"", +X program, filename, statbuf.st_size); +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: it may not be longer than %d bytes\n"", +X program, MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE); +X return(NULL); +X } +X +X /* +X * count the non-whitespace, non {}; followed by whitespace chars +X */ +X count = 0; +X c = 0; +X while ((c=fgetc(stream)) != EOF) { +X /* look at non-whitespace */ +X if (!isascii(c) || !isspace(c)) { +X switch (c) { +X case '{': /* count if not followed by EOF or whitespace */ +X case '}': +X case ';': +X /* peek at next char */ +X c = fgetc(stream); +X if (c != EOF && isascii(c) && !isspace(c)) { +X /* not followed by whitespace or EOF, count it */ +X ungetc(c, stream); +X ++count; +X } +X break; +X default: +X ++count; +X break; +X } +X } +X } +X +X /* watch for I/O errors */ +X check_io(stream, filename, EOF_OK); +X +X /* look at the special size */ +X if (count > MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2) { +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: FATAL: the number of bytes that are non-whitespace, and\n"", +X program); +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: that are not '{', '}', ';' followed by whitespace\n"", +X program); +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: or EOF must be <= %d bytes\n"", +X program, MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2); +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: in %s, %d bytes were found\n"", +X program, filename, count); +X return(NULL); +X } +X +X /* return the open file */ +X rewind(stream); +X return(stream); +X} +X +X/* +X * open_output - open/check the entry output file +X * +X * This function returns NULL on open error. +X */ +XFILE * +Xopen_output(filename) +X char *filename; +X{ +X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */ +X +X /* +X * open the ioccc entry output file +X */ +X stream = fopen(filename, ""w""); +X if (stream == NULL) { +X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot open ioccc entry file for output: %s: "", +X program, filename); +X perror(""""); +X exit(8); +X } +X +X /* return the open file */ +X return(stream); +X} +X +X/* +X * output_entry - output the ---entry--- section +X * +X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the entry section. +X */ +Xvoid +Xoutput_entry(output, oname) +X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ +X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ +X{ +X char title[MAX_TITLE_LEN+1+1]; /* the entry's title */ +X char buf[MAX_COL+1+1]; /* I/O buffer */ +X int entry=0; /* entry number */ +X int ret; /* fields processed by fscanf */ +X int ok_line=0; /* 0 => the line is not ok */ +X char skip; /* input to skip */ +X FILE *date_pipe; /* pipe to a date command */ +X time_t epoch_sec; /* seconds since the epoch */ +X char *p; +X +X /* +X * write the start of the section +X */ +X fprintf(output, ""---entry---\n""); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* +X * write the rule year +X */ +X fprintf(output, ""rule:\t%d\n"", RULE_YEAR); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* determine if this is a fix */ +X printf(""Is this a fix, update or resubmittion to a ""); +X printf(""previous entry (enter y or n)? ""); +X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) { +X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); +X } +X if (buf[0] == 'y') { +X fprintf(output, ""fix:\ty\n""); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X printf(""\nBe sure that the title and entry number that you give\n""); +X printf(""are the same of as the entry you are replacing\n""); +X } else { +X fprintf(output, ""fix:\tn\n""); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X } +X +X /* +X * write the title +X */ +X printf(""\nYour title must match expression be a [a-zA-Z0-9_=] character\n""); +X printf(""followed by 0 to %d more [a-zA-Z0-9_=+-] characters.\n\n"", +X MAX_TITLE_LEN-1); +X printf(""It is suggested, but not required, that the title should\n""); +X printf(""incorporate your username; in the\n""); +X printf(""case of multiple authors, consider using parts of the usernames\n""); +X printf(""of the authors.\n\n""); +X printf(""enter your title: ""); +X do { +X /* prompt and read a line */ +X if ((ok_line = get_line(title, MAX_TITLE_LEN+1, MAX_COL-9)) <= 0) { +X printf(""\ntitle is too long, please re-enter: ""); +X continue; +X } +X +X /* verify the pattern, not everyone has regexp, so do it by hand */ +X if (!isascii((int)title[0]) || +X !(isalnum((int)title[0]) || title[0] == '_' || title[0] == '=')) { +X printf(""\ninvalid first character in the title\n\n""); +X printf(""enter your title: ""); +X ok_line = 0; +X } else { +X for (p=(&title[1]); *p != '\0' && *p != '\n'; ++p) { +X if (!isascii((int)*p) || +X !(isalnum((int)*p) || +X *p == '_' || *p == '=' || *p == '+' || *p == '-')) { +X printf(""\ninvalid character in the title\n\n""); +X printf(""enter your title: ""); +X ok_line = 0; +X } +X } +X } +X } while (ok_line <= 0); +X fprintf(output, ""title:\t%s"", title); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* +X * write the entry number +X */ +X printf(""\nEach person may submit up to %d entries per year.\n\n"", +X MAX_ENTRY); +X printf(""enter an entry number from 0 to %d inclusive: "", MAX_ENTRY-1); +X do { +X /* get a valid input line */ +X fflush(stdout); +X ret = fscanf(stdin, ""%d[\n]"", &entry); +X check_io(stdin, ""stdin"", EOF_NOT_OK); +X /* skip over input until newline is found */ +X do { +X skip = fgetc(stdin); +X check_io(stdin, ""stdin"", EOF_NOT_OK); +X if (skip != '\n') { +X /* bad text in input, invalidate entry number */ +X entry = -1; +X } +X } while (skip != '\n'); +X +X /* check if we have a number, and if it is in range */ +X if (ret != 1 || entry < 0 || entry > MAX_ENTRY-1) { +X printf( +X ""\nThe entry number must be between 0 and %d inclusive\n\n"", +X MAX_ENTRY-1); +X printf(""enter the entry number: ""); +X } +X } while (ret != 1 || entry < 0 || entry > MAX_ENTRY-1); +X fprintf(output, ""entry:\t%d\n"", entry); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* +X * write the submission date +X */ +X /* returns a newline */ +X epoch_sec = time(NULL); +X fprintf(output, ""date:\t%s"", asctime(gmtime(&epoch_sec))); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* +X * write the OS/machine host information +X */ +X printf( +X ""\nEnter the machine(s) and OS(s) under which your entry was tested.\n""); +X output_till_dot(output, oname, ""host:""); +X} +X +X/* +X * output_remark - output the ---remark--- section +X * +X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the entry section. +X */ +Xvoid +Xoutput_remark(output, oname, remark, rname) +X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ +X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ +X FILE *remark; /* stream to the file containing remark text */ +X char *rname; /* name of the remark file */ +X{ +X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input/output buffer */ +X +X /* +X * write the start of the section +X */ +X fprintf(output, ""---remark---\n""); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* +X * copy the remark file to the section +X */ +X while (fgets(buf, BUFSIZ, remark) != NULL) { +X fputs(buf, output); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X } +X check_io(remark, rname, EOF_OK); +X +X /* be sure that the remark section ends with a newline */ +X if (buf[strlen(buf)-1] != '\n') { +X fputc('\n', output); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X } +X} +X +X/* +X * output_author - output the ---author--- section +X * +X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the author section. +X * If multiple authors exist, multiple author sections will be written. +X */ +Xvoid +Xoutput_author(output, oname) +X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ +X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ +X{ +X char buf[MAX_COL+1+1]; /* I/O buffer */ +X int more_auths; /* TRUE => more authors to note */ +X int auth_cnt=0; /* number of authors processed */ +X +X /* +X * prompt the user for the author section +X */ +X printf(""\nEnter information about each author. If your entry is after\n""); +X printf(""%s and before the contest deadline, the judges\n"", START_DATE); +X printf(""will attempt to Email back a confirmation to the first author\n""); +X +X /* +X * place author information for each author in an individual section +X */ +X do { +X +X /* write the start of the section */ +X fprintf(output, ""---author---\n""); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* write the author */ +X printf(""\nAuthor #%d name: "", ++auth_cnt); +X while (get_line(buf, MAX_COL+1, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) { +X printf(""\nname too long, please re-enter: ""); +X } +X fprintf(output, ""name:\t%s"", buf); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* write the organization */ +X printf(""\nEnter the School/Company/Organization of author #%d\n"", +X auth_cnt); +X printf(""\nAuthor #%d org: "", auth_cnt); +X while (get_line(buf, MAX_COL+1, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) { +X printf(""\nline too long, please re-enter: ""); +X } +X fprintf(output, ""org:\t%s"", buf); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* write the address */ +X printf( +X ""\nEnter the postal address for author #%d. Be sure to include\n"", +X auth_cnt); +X printf(""your country and do not include your name.\n""); +X output_till_dot(output, oname, ""addr:""); +X +X /* write the Email address */ +X printf( +X ""\nEnter the Email address for author #%d. Use an address from\n"", +X auth_cnt); +X printf( +X ""a registered domain or well known site. If you give several\n""); +X printf(""forms, list them one per line.\n""); +X output_till_dot(output, oname, ""email:""); +X +X /* write the anonymous status */ +X printf(""\nShould author #%d remain anonymous (enter y or n)? "", +X auth_cnt); +X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) { +X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); +X } +X fprintf(output, ""anon:\t%s"", buf); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* determine if there is another author */ +X printf(""\nIs there another author (enter y or n)? ""); +X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) { +X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); +X } +X if (buf[0] == 'y') { +X more_auths = TRUE; +X } else { +X more_auths = FALSE; +X } +X } while (more_auths == TRUE); +X return; +X} +X +X/* +X * output_info - output the ---info--- section(s) +X * +X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the info section. +X * If multiple info files exist, multiple info sections will be written. +X */ +Xvoid +Xoutput_info(output, oname) +X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ +X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ +X{ +X char infoname[MAX_FILE_LEN+1]; /* filename buffer */ +X char yorn[1+1]; /* y or n answer */ +X char *uuname; /* name to uuencode as */ +X FILE *infile; /* info file stream */ +X +X /* +X * prompt the user for info information +X */ +X printf(""\nInfo files should be used only to supplement your entry.\n""); +X printf(""For example, info files may provide sample input or detailed\n""); +X printf(""information about your entry. Because they are supplemental,\n""); +X printf(""the entry should not require them to exist.\n\n""); +X +X /* +X * while there is another info file to save, uuencode it +X */ +X printf(""Do you have a info file to include (enter y or n)? ""); +X while (get_line(yorn, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(yorn[0]=='y' || yorn[0]=='n')) { +X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); +X } +X while (yorn[0] == 'y') { +X +X /* read the filename */ +X printf(""\nEnter the info filename: ""); +X while (get_line(infoname, MAX_FILE_LEN+1, 0) <= 0) { +X printf(""\nInfo filename too long, please re-enter: ""); +X } +X +X /* compute the basename of the info filename */ +X /* remove the trailing newline */ +X uuname = &infoname[strlen(infoname)-1]; +X *uuname = '\0'; +X /* avoid rindex/shrrchr compat issues, do it by hand */ +X for (--uuname; uuname > infoname; --uuname) { +X if (*uuname == '/') { +X ++uuname; +X break; +X } +X } +X +X /* attempt to open the info file */ +X infile = fopen(infoname, ""r""); +X if (infile == NULL) { +X fprintf(stderr, ""\n%s: cannot open info file: %s: "", +X program, infoname); +X perror(""""); +X continue; +X } +X +X /* +X * write the start of the section +X */ +X fprintf(output, ""---info---\n""); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* uuencode the info file */ +X uuencode(output, oname, infile, infoname, UUINFO_MODE, uuname); +X +X printf(""\nDo you have another info file to include (enter y or n)? ""); +X while (get_line(yorn, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(yorn[0]=='y' || yorn[0]=='n')) { +X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); +X } +X }; +X return; +X} +X +X/* +X * output_build - output the ---build--- section +X * +X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the build section. +X */ +Xvoid +Xoutput_build(output, oname, build, bname) +X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ +X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ +X FILE *build; /* open build file stream */ +X char *bname; /* name of the build file */ +X{ +X /* +X * write the start of the section +X */ +X fprintf(output, ""---build---\n""); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* +X * uuencode the program file +X */ +X uuencode(output, oname, build, bname, UUBUILD_MODE, UUBUILD_NAME); +X return; +X} +X +X/* +X * output_program - output the ---program--- section +X * +X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the program section. +X */ +Xvoid +Xoutput_program(output, oname, prog, pname) +X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ +X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ +X FILE *prog; /* open program stream */ +X char *pname; /* name of program file */ +X{ +X /* +X * write the start of the section +X */ +X fprintf(output, ""---program---\n""); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* +X * uuencode the program file +X */ +X uuencode(output, oname, prog, pname, UUPROG_MODE, UUPROG_NAME); +X return; +X} +X +X/* +X * output_end - output the ---end--- section +X * +X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the 'end section'. +X */ +Xvoid +Xoutput_end(output, oname) +X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ +X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ +X{ +X /* +X * write the final section terminator +X */ +X fprintf(output, ""---end---\n""); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X return; +X} +X +X/* +X * get_line - get an answer from stdin +X * +X * This function will flush stdout, in case a prompt is pending, and +X * read in the answer. +X * +X * This function returns 0 if the line is too long, of the length of the +X * line (including the newline) of the line was ok. This function does +X * not return if ERROR or EOF. +X */ +Xint +Xget_line(buf, siz, maxcol) +X char *buf; /* input buffer */ +X int siz; /* length of input, including the newline */ +X int maxcol; /* max col allowed, 0 => disable check */ +X{ +X int length; /* the length of the input line */ +X +X /* flush terminal output */ +X fflush(stdout); +X +X /* read the line */ +X if (fgets(buf, siz+1, stdin) == NULL) { +X /* report the problem */ +X check_io(stdin, ""stdin"", EOF_NOT_OK); +X } +X +X /* look for the newline */ +X length = strlen(buf); +X if (buf[length-1] != '\n') { +X int eatchar; /* the char being eaten */ +X +X /* no newline found, line must be too long, eat the rest of the line */ +X do { +X eatchar = fgetc(stdin); +X } while (eatchar != EOF && eatchar != '\n'); +X check_io(stdin, ""stdin"", EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* report the situation */ +X return 0; +X } +X +X /* watch for long lines, if needed */ +X if (maxcol > 0 && (length > maxcol || col_len(buf) > maxcol)) { +X /* report the situation */ +X return 0; +X } +X +X /* return length */ +X return length; +X} +X +X/* +X * output_till_dot - output a set of lines until '.' by itself is read +X * +X * This routine will read a set of lines until (but not including) +X * a single line with '.' is read. The format of the output is: +X * +X * leader:\tfirst line +X * \tnext line +X * \tnext line +X * ... +X * +X * This routine will not return if I/O error or EOF. +X */ +Xvoid +Xoutput_till_dot(output, oname, leader) +X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ +X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ +X char *leader; /* the lead text for the first line */ +X{ +X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input buffer */ +X int count; /* lines read */ +X int done=FALSE; /* TRUE => finished reading input */ +X +X /* instruct the user on how to input */ +X printf(""\nTo end input, enter a line with a single period.\n""); +X +X /* read lines until '.' or EOF */ +X count = 0; +X while (!done) { +X /* issue the prompt */ +X printf(""%s\t"", (count>0) ? """" : leader); +X fflush(stdout); +X +X /* get the line */ +X if (get_line(buf, BUFSIZ, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) { +X printf(""\nline too long, please re-enter:\n\t""); +X continue; +X } +X +X /* note if '.' was read */ +X if (strcmp(buf, "".\n"") == 0) { +X done = TRUE; +X } +X +X /* write line if we read something */ +X if (!done) { +X fprintf(output, ""%s\t%s"", (count++>0) ? """" : leader, buf); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X } +X } +X +X /* if no lines read, at least output something */ +X if (count <= 0) { +X fprintf(output, ""%s\t.\n"", leader); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X } +X return; +X} +X +X/* +X * col_len - determine the highest that a string would reach +X * +X * Given a string, this routine returns that a string would reach +X * if the string were printed at column 1. Tab stops are assumed +X * to start at 9, 17, 25, 33, ... +X */ +Xint +Xcol_len(string) +X char *string; /* the string to examine */ +X{ +X int col; /* current column */ +X char *p; /* current char */ +X +X /* scan the string */ +X for (col=0, p=string; *p != '\0' && *p != '\n'; ++p) { +X /* note the column shift */ +X col = (*p=='\t') ? 1+((col+8)/8*8) : col+1; +X } +X if (*p == '\n') { +X --col; +X } +X +X /* return the highest column */ +X return col; +X} +X +X/* +X * check_io - check for EOF or I/O error on a stream +X * +X * Does not return if EOF or I/O error. +X */ +Xvoid +Xcheck_io(stream, name, eof_ok) +X FILE *stream; /* the stream to check */ +X char *name; /* the name of this stream */ +X int eof_ok; /* EOF_OK or EOF_NOT_OK */ +X{ +X /* test for I/O error */ +X if (ferror(stream)) { +X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: error on %s: "", program, name); +X perror(""""); +X exit(1); +X +X /* test for EOF */ +X } else if (eof_ok == EOF_NOT_OK && feof(stream)) { +X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: EOF on %s\n"", program, name); +X exit(1); +X } +X return; +X} +X +X/* +X * uuencode - uuencode a file +X * +X * Perform the uuencoding process identical to the process performed +X * by the uuencode(1) utility. +X * +X * This routine implements the algorithm described in the uuencode(5) +X * 4.3BSD Reno man page. +X */ +Xvoid +Xuuencode(output, oname, infile, iname, umode, uname) +X FILE *output; /* output file stream */ +X char *oname; /* output filename */ +X FILE *infile; /* input file stream */ +X char *iname; /* input filename */ +X int umode; /* the mode to put on the uuencode file */ +X char *uname; /* name to put on the uuencode file */ +X{ +X char buf[UUENCODE_LEN+1]; /* the uuencode buffer */ +X int read_len; /* actual number of chars read */ +X int val; /* 6 bit chunk from buf */ +X char filler='\0'; /* filler uuencode pad text */ +X char *p; +X +X /* +X * output the initial uuencode header +X */ +X fprintf(output, ""begin %o %s\n"", umode, uname); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* +X * clear out the input buffer +X */ +X for (p=buf; p < &buf[sizeof(buf)/sizeof(buf[0])]; ++p) { +X *p = '\0'; +X } +X +X /* +X * We will process UUENCODE_LEN chars at a time, forming +X * a single output line each time. +X */ +X while ((read_len=fread(buf,sizeof(buf[0]),UUENCODE_LEN,infile)) > 0) { +X +X /* +X * the first character is the length character +X */ +X fputc(UUENCODE(read_len), output); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* +X * We will convert 24 bits at a time. Thus we will convert +X * 3 sets of 8 bits into 4 sets of uuencoded 6 bits. +X */ +X for (p=buf; read_len>0; read_len-=3, p+=3) { +X +X /* bits 0 to 5 */ +X val = (p[0]>>2)&0x3f; +X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* bits 6 to 11 */ +X val = ((p[0]<<4)&0x30) | ((p[1]>>4)&0x0f); +X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* bits 12 to 17 */ +X val = ((p[1]<<2)&0x3c) | ((p[2]>>6)&0x03); +X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* bits 18 to 23 */ +X val = p[2]&0x3f; +X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X } +X +X /* end of UUENCODE_LEN line */ +X fputc('\n', output); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* +X * clear out the input buffer (don't depend on bzero() or memset()) +X */ +X for (p=buf; p < &buf[sizeof(buf)/sizeof(buf[0])]; ++p) { +X *p = '\0'; +X } +X } +X +X /* check the last read on the input file */ +X check_io(infile, iname, EOF_OK); +X +X /* write end of uuencode file */ +X fprintf(output, ""%c\nend\n"", UUENCODE(filler)); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X} +SHAR_EOF +chmod 0444 mkentry.c || +echo ""restore of mkentry.c failed"" +set `wc -c mkentry.c`;Wc_c=$1 +if test ""$Wc_c"" != ""34482""; then + echo original size 34482, current size $Wc_c +fi +# ============= obfuscate.info ============== +echo ""x - extracting obfuscate.info (Text)"" +sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > obfuscate.info && +X1993 Obfuscated contest information +X +XCopyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993. +XAll Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use is +Xgranted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its entirety +Xand remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior permission in writing +Xfrom both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel. +X +XThe International Obfuscated C Code Contest (IOCCC), in the sprit of +Xco-operation, is willing mention other programming contents, as space +Xpermits. +X +XHow to have your contest included in this file: +X +X If you wish the IOCCC judges to include your contest in this file, +X send a request to: +X +X judges@toad.com +X +X We request that contest descriptions be limited to 50 lines and to +X not exceed 2500 bytes. We typically request that your contest +X include a current description of the IOCCC. +X +X In order to be included in this file for given year, we must +X receive a current description no EARLIER than Jan 1 00:00:00 UTC and +X no LATER than Feb 15 00:00:00 UTC. Agreement to publish your +X contest must also be obtained prior to Feb 15. Annual contests +X that fail to submit a new entry will be dropped from this file. +X +XOfficial Disclaimer: (pardon the officialese) +X +X The contents noted below, other than the IOCCC, are not affiliated +X with the IOCCC, nor are they endorsed by the IOCCC. We reserve the +X right to refuse to print information about a given contest. +X +X The information below was provided by the particular contest +X organizer(s) and printed by permission. Please contact the +X contest organizer(s) directly regarding their contents. +X +XWith that official notice given, we present for your ENJOYMENT, the following +Xinformation about contents: +X +X--------------------------------------------------------------------------- +X +X 10th International Obfuscated C Contest +X +X ""The original obfuscated contest"" +X +X Obfuscate: tr.v. -cated, -cating, -cates. 1. a. To render obscure. +X b. To darken. 2. To confuse: Their emotions obfuscated +X their judgment. [LLat. obfuscare, to darken : ob(intensive) + +X Lat. fuscare, to darken < fuscus, dark.] -obfuscation n. +X obfuscatory adj. +X +X GOALS OF THE CONTEST: +X +X * To write the most Obscure/Obfuscated C program under the rules below. +X * To show the importance of programming style, in an ironic way. +X * To stress C compilers with unusual code. +X * To illustrate some of the subtleties of the C language. +X * To provide a safe forum for poor C code. :-) +X +X The IOCCC is the grandfather of USENET programming contests. Since +X 1984, this contest demonstrated that a program that simply works +X correctly is not sufficient. The IOCCC has also done much to add +X the arcane word 'obfuscated' back into the English language. +X (see ""The New Hacker's Dictionary"" by Eric Raymond) +X +X You are strongly encouraged to read the new contest rules before +X sending any entries. The rules, and sometimes the contest Email +X address itself, change over time. A valid entry one year may +X be rejected in a later year due to changes in the rules. The typical +X start date for contests is in early March. Contest rules are normally not +X finalized and posted until the beginning of the contest. The typical +X closing date for contests are in early May. +X +X The rules and the guidelines may (and often do) change from year to +X year. You should be sure you have the current rules and guidelines +X prior to submitting entries. To obtain them, send Email to the address +X above and use the subject 'send rules'. +X +X One may obtain winners of previous contests (1984 to date), via ftp from: +X +X host: ftp.uu.net (192.48.96.9) +X user: anonymous +X pass: yourname@yourhost +X dir: ~/pub/ioccc +X +X As a last resort, previous winners may be obtained by sending Email +X to the above address. Please use the subject 'send YEAR winners', +X where YEAR is a single 4 digit year, a year range, or 'all'. +X +X--------------------------------------------------------------------------- +X +X 0th International Obfuscated Perl Contest +X By: Landon Noll & Larry Wall +X +X This content is being planned. Someday when Landon & Larry are not too +X busy, they will actually get around to posting the first set of rules! +X +X Landon says: ""Yes, I know that I said we would have a contest in 1993, +X but other existing projects got in the way. Hopefully +X something will be developed after Nov 1993."" +X +X--------------------------------------------------------------------------- +X +X 2nd International obFUsCaTeD POsTsCripT Contest +X Jonathan Monsarrat (jgm@cs.brown.edu) +X Alena Lacova (alena@nikhef.nl) +X +X A contest of programming skills and knowledge, exclusively for the +X PostScript programming language. Its purpose: +X +X * To spread knowledge of PostScript and its details. +X * To applaud those with the best tricks. +X * To prove that humans can beat those damnable machine generators at +X their own game by writing the most obscure and mysterious PostScript +X programs ever. +X +X Winners will receive the fame and attention that goes with having their +X program entry posted as a winner to programmers world-wide. +X +X The 1993 contest rules and results are available by ftp as +X ``wilma.cs.brown.edu:pub/postscript/obfuscated*.shar'', or individually +X in the obfuscated directory. The judges will post the 1994 rules +X in November to comp.lang.postscript on Usenet, and other places. +X Send questions to jgm@cs.brown.edu. +X +X Categories include: Best Obfuscated PostScript, Best Artwork, +X Most Compact, Best Interactive Program, Most Useful, and +X anything so unusual and creative that it deserves an award. +X +X The judges will choose the winners of each category. +X +X Alena Lacova is a system administrator at NIKHEF (Institute for High +X Energy and Nuclear Physics) in the Netherlands. She is the author of +X The PostScript Chaos Programs, which draw Julia sets, Mandelbrot sets +X and other kinds of fractal functions. +X +X Jonathan Monsarrat is a graduate student from MIT and Brown University +X in the U.S.A. He is the FAQ maintainer for the Usenet newsgroup +X comp.lang.postscript and the author of The PostScript Zone and LameTeX. +X . +X +SHAR_EOF +chmod 0444 obfuscate.info || +echo ""restore of obfuscate.info failed"" +set `wc -c obfuscate.info`;Wc_c=$1 +if test ""$Wc_c"" != ""6418""; then + echo original size 6418, current size $Wc_c +fi +exit 0 +-- +Sunnyvale residents: Vote Landon Noll for Sunnyvale City Council seat 1. +",5 +9530,"From: Seth Adam Eliot +Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! +Organization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 58 +NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu +In-Reply-To: <1993Apr18.001319.2340@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> + +Excerpts from netnews.talk.politics.guns: 18-Apr-93 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - +GOOD ! by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu +> Yea, there are millions of cases where yoy *say* that firearms +> 'deter' criminals. Alas, this is not provable. I think that that +> there are actually *few* cases where this is so. + +excerpted from a letter I wrote a while ago: + + Although less apparent to those who have not researched +the facts, personal protection is as legitimate a reason as +sport for the private citizen to own a gun. The most recent +research is that of Dr. Gary Kleck of the Florida State +University School of Criminology.1 He found that handguns +are more often used by victims to defeat crime than by +criminals to commit it (645,000 vs. 580,000 respectively in +this study). These figures are even more encouraging when +you consider the number of crimes that never occur because +of the presence of a gun in the hands of a law-abiding +private citizen. In a National Institute of Justice study +of ten state prisons across the country they found that 39% +of the felons surveyed had aborted at least one crime +because they believed that the intended victim was armed., +and 57% agreed that ""most criminals are more worried about +meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the +police.""2 + One of the most heinous of crimes is that against the +women of this country. It has been my recent observation +that more women are purchasing handguns for defense in +response to the present danger of these assaults. This +should be taken as encouraging news if the events of Orlando +Florida are any indicator. In the late 1960's the female +populace was plagued with a series of brutal assaults; just +the publicity of the record number of women buying guns and +obtaining training resulted in an 88% decrease in rape for +that area, the only city of its size in the country to +experience a decrease of crime for that year. Additionally, +a 1979 US Justice Department study of 32,000 attempted rapes +showed that overall, when rape is attempted, the completion +rate is 36%. But when a woman defends herself with a gun, +the completion rate drops to 3%. + +1 G Kleck, Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America Aldine +de Gruyter, NY, 1991 +2 JD Wright & PH Rossi Armed and Considered Dangerous: A +Survey of Felons and Their Firearms, Aldine de Gruyter, NY, +1986 +------- + +__________________________________________________________________________ +[unlike cats] dogs NEVER scratch you when you wash them. They just +become very sad and try to figure out what they did wrong. -Dave Barry + +Seth Eliot Dept of Material Science and Engineering + Carnegie Mellon Univerity, Pittsburgh, PA +ARPA :eliot+@cmu.edu |------------------------------------------ + or se08+@andrew.cmu.edu | +Bitnet: se08%andrew@cmccvb | +------------------------------| +",16 +2452,"Organization: Penn State University +From: +Subject: Daystar Turbo 040 Opinions? +Lines: 6 + +I'm thinking about upgrading my 030 50MHz to the 040 33version. Has anyone +had any experience with the accelerator, and if so - what do you think? +Any problems, what are the speedometer results?, is it much faster than +the 50MHz? Basically, I'd appreciate hearing all about this product. Please +respond via email, and I'll summarize if there's a big response. thanks +in advance, Andrew +",4 +5819,"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) +Subject: re: Don Cherry's Coach's Corner Summary - April 3, 1993 +Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca +Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS +Distribution: na +Lines: 53 + + +allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes: + +Before I begin lambasting Don Cherry, let me first say that I've been sort of +a Cherry fan for a while...admittedly stuff he says has to be taken lightly, +but he's more-or-less harmless. On Saturday, however, he crossed the lines of +good taste: + +>According to Don, the entire article wasn't perfect, and there +>were some 'shots' by Frank Musil and Alpo Suhonen. +>Don noted that Musil wasn't much of a player (didn't +>score many goals last year). He also made fun of their names... +>One guy has a name like dog food, the other like a laxitive +>(meta-Musil). + +This is the best he can do?!! Gee Don, tremendous amounts of professionalism +here. The CBC looks just as bad as he looks foolish letting him get away with +this nonsense...making fun of names?? It's bad enough that he makes asinine +blanket statements about European players, but he's now resorted to making fun +of their names too? He sounded like an idiot, much like he did last week +when he said that Teemu would never make it to his 'Rock 'em, Sock 'em' video +until he dropped the gloves... + +>On the subject of realignment, Don said that he liked the +>new division names. + +Well, what he _said_ was that even though he's been around the league for quite +some time, he still doesn't know who's where w.r.t. conference and division +names. HELLO??!! McFly?? The names have been around for a couple of decades +or so....he also invited the audience to ""Name the teams in the Wales...quick, +quick!"" Followed by ""Ah, you don't know, I don't know...."" + +Sorry Don. Wrong on this one. + +>Ron (to Don): ""I don't know wy I like you on your show +>for 30 minutes... I can hardly stand you on this show for 5."" + +This was absolutely hilarious. + +Don's argument about the basketball and baseball brawls was fairly +good...unfortunately he neglected to mention the fines that were levelled in +the NBA case. Serious money...oh well, he's never been one for objectivity, +has he? + +Don's question to Gretzky: + +>Wouldn't it be better +>for you to change your friends so that they like the game, than for +>us to change the game for your friends?"" + +Now this I liked. + + +",10 +6531,"From: cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU (Tim Cuffel) +Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. +Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu +Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder +Distribution: na +Lines: 11 + +I change login passwords every couple of months. I sure would suck if I had +to get a new sparc station everytime I wanted to do this. It seems that this +is what they expect you to do if you want to routinely change your password +on your phone. I'm sure the government contractor doesn't mind, but a system +where you can cheaply change keys (DES) has inherent security advantages, +regardless of the algorithms involved. +-- +-Tim Cuffel Finger for PGP 2.1 The CIA has admitted that the assassination + of Saddam Hussien was one of their goals. +They failed, of course. Seems as though that motorcade through downtown Dallas +trick only works once. +",11 +9513,"From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) +Subject: Randy Weaver trial update: Day 1. +Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer +Organization: SigSauer Fan Club +Lines: 49 + + +Here is a copy of my first update on the Randy Weaver trial. +After a large response (about 15 email messages), I've decided +that there is sufficient interest here on t.p.g. to warrant +posting. + +*** file follows *** + +Hi Folks; + +As perhaps the only Boise resident on the list, I guess it +kind of falls on me to keep people updated about the +Randy Weaver/Kevin Harris trial. + +Yesterday marked the seating of the jury. Apparently no other +legal activities occurred. The jury was selected and things +start today. + +More interesting is what happenned outside. About a dozen +Weaver supporters showed up to stage a protest outside the +courthouse. One woman carried a sign that read, ""Who stands +trial for the murder of Vicki and (son's name - I forget) +Weaver?"" On the evening news she said, ""I am here protesting +because I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of religion. +I thought we all did."" Nice sound bite (grin)! + +The news reporter also interviewed some guy named ""Tim"" +who refused to give his last name. Not to prejudge the +guy, but he looked like a neo-nazi. He also said he +expected many neo-nazis to show up throughout the trial. +""Tim"" had been handing out leaflets in support of Weaver +and Harris and the news had footage of a Boise cop +telling him to move along or he'd arrest. I don't know +the finer points of this one. Perhaps there's a law +against political activity within X feet of a courthouse +or something (what happenned to the First Amendment?!?). + +Most ominous of all was that the local reporter filmed +an agent of the Gestapo...err...ATF with a minicam +FILMING THE PROTESTORS! Welcome to the world of Big Brother. + +Anyhow, Gerry Spence came out and asked the protestors to +leave because he didn't think it would help Weaver's case +any. He said he was confident that, once the evidence +came out, that Weaver would be aquitted. + +More stuff as it comes available. + +Drew +",16 +10819,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) +Subject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions +Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA +Lines: 44 + +In article , gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes: +> In article <15377@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: +> #But what came out, +> #in much lower profile reporting, was that the ""victim"" was a +> #prostitute, and the man had not paid her -- hence the false +> #accusation. +> +> There was no evidence the woman in question was a prostitute, the +> defense merely alledged that she was. Even Clayton knows the +> difference. Err, perhaps Clayton doesn't know the difference. + +Evidence given for her prostitute status, besides the admittedly +questionable claim of the man on trial included: + +1. Prior employment in a number of massage parlors, with women who +claimed that she worked as a prostitute; + +2. Walking around a truck stop at 4:00 AM wearing a lace miniskirt, +a halter top, and no underwear of any sort; + +3. Not having a purse or other I.D. with her. + +Not enough to convict her, but enough to create reasonable doubt +whether a rape actually took place, or theft of services. + +Are you just ignorant, or lying again? + +> #the judge found that there was some credible evidence that the +> #Marines were engaged in self-defense. +> +> No, the judge found that the prosecution did not carry out the burder +> on proof. A small clipping from clarinews, under fair use guidelines: +> +> # New Hanover District Court Judge Jacqueline Morris-Goodson ruled in +> #the benchtrial that the state failed to carry its burden in proving the +> #Marines acted to cause injury. + +The accounts on the evening news indicated that they claimed self- +defense, and the judge agreed that they were so operating. + +> -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia +-- +Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! +Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. +",18 +348,"From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com +Subject: Re: Origins of the bible. +Lines: 56 + +In article <1993Apr19.141112.15018@cs.nott.ac.uk>, eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk (A.Wainwright) writes: +> Hi, +> +> I have been having an argument about the origins of the bible lately with +> a theist acquaintance. He stated that thousands of bibles were discovered +> at a certain point in time which were syllable-perfect. This therefore +> meant that there must have been one copy at a certain time; the time quoted +> by my acquaintace was approximately 50 years after the death of Jesus. + +Hi Adda, + +Most Bible scholars agree that there was one copy of each book at a certain +time -- the time when the author wrote it. Unfortunately, like all works +from this time period and earlier, all that exists today are copies. + +> +> Cutting all of the crap out of the way (ie god wrote it) could anyone answer +> the following: +> +> 1. How old is the oldest surviving copy of the new testament? + +There are parts of books, scraps really, that date from around the +mid second century (A.D. 130+). There are some complete books, letters, +etc. from the middle third century. The first complete collection of +the New Testament dates from the early 4th century (A.D. 325). Throughout +this period are writings of various early church fathers/leaders who +quoted various scriptures in their writings. + +> 2. Is there any truth in my acquaintance's statements? + +If you mean that someone discovered thousands of ""Bibles"" which were all +perfect copies dating from the last part of the 1st century...No! + +If you mean that there are thousands of early manuscripts (within the +dates given above, but not letter perfect) and that the most probable +text can be reconstructed from these documents and that the earliest +original autographs (now lost) probably were written starting sometime +shortly after A.D. 50, then yes. + +> 3. From who/where did the bible originate? + +From the original authors. We call them Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, +Paul, James, and one other not identified. + +> 4. How long is a piece of string? ;-) + +As long as you make it. + +> +> Adda +> +> -- + +Regards, + +Jim B. +",0 +4017,"From: silver@xrtll.uucp (Hi Ho Silver) +Subject: Re: WAX RESIDUE ON BLACK MOLDING +Organization: What you won't find on my desk. +Lines: 17 + +Sayeth ""Joseph D. Mazza"" : +$I waxed my car a few months ago with a liquid wax and now have whiteish +$smears where I inadvertantly got some wax on the black plastic molding. +$I've tried repeatedly to remove the smears with no luck. I'm on the +$verge of replacing the molding altogether (it's a nice car). + + Armor All removes Raindance wax on my Mazda Protege's black +plastic bumpers. Your mileage may vary. + + Given this observation, one would be well advised to take care not to +get any of this (or, probably, similar protectants such as Son of a Gun) +on one's paint ... +-- +|I know that sometimes my jaw clicks when I eat. Void where prohibited.| +|Have you seen this boy? Lust never sleeps. I say hurl. Honey, I'm | +|home. _________________________________________________________________| +|_____/ silver@bokonon.UUCP ...!{uunet|becker|xrtll}!bokonon!silver | +",7 +10683,"From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) +Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 13 + +In article <15407@optilink.COM> walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh) writes: +#There is a big difference between running one's business +#affairs, and actively ripping people off. + +And charging homosexuals more becuase people think that AIDS is a ""gay +disease"" is actively ripping people off. + + +-- +-Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia + USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA + Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu + UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w +",18 +8508,"From: stephens@geod.emr.ca (Dave Stephenson) +Subject: Re: Old Spacecraft as NAvigation Beacons! +Nntp-Posting-Host: ngis.geod.emr.ca +Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa +Lines: 21 + +nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: + +>Other idea for old space crafts is as navigation beacons and such.. +>Why not?? If you can put them on ""safe"" ""pause"" mode.. why not have them be +>activated by a signal from a space craft (manned?) to act as a naviagtion +>beacon, to take a directional plot on?? + +>Wierd or what? +>== +>Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked + +There is a whole constellation of custom built navigation beacon satellites +in the process of being phased out right now. The TRANSIT/OSCAR satellites +are being replaced by GPS. Or were you thinking of deep space navigation, +which is best done with doppler/VLBI/ stellar measurements. I do not think +additional radio beacons would help much. +-- +Dave Stephenson +Geological Survey of Canada +Ottawa, Ontario, Canada +Internet: stephens@geod.emr.ca +",14 +5463,"From: Howard_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Howard Wong) +Subject: Jack Morris +Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada +Lines: 9 + +As of today, April 17, Jack Morris has lost his first three starts. + +However, the Jays are doing well without him and injured Dave Stuart. + +This is a credit to the rest of the pitching staff. + +Has Jack lost a bit of his edge? What is the worst start Jack Morris has had? + + +",9 +1651,"From: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) +Subject: RFD: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.{misc,setup} +Organization: Software Metrics Inc. +Lines: 76 +NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net + +This is the official Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of two +new newsgroups for Microsoft Windows NT. This is a second RFD, replacing +the one originally posted in January '93 (and never taken to a vote). The +proposed groups are described below: + +NAME: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.setup +STATUS: Unmoderated. +PURPOSE: Discussions about setting up and installing Windows NT, and about + system and peripheral compatability issues for Windows NT. + +NAME: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc +STATUS: Unmoderated. +PURPOSE: Miscellaneous non-programming discussions about using Windows NT, + including issues such as security, networking features, console + mode and Windows 3.1 (Win16) compatability. + +RATIONALE: + Microsoft NT is the newest member of the Microsoft Windows family + of operating systems (or operating environments for those who wish + to argue about the meaning of an ""OS""). The family ranges from + Modular Windows through Windows 3.1 and Windows for Workgroups to + Windows NT at the high end. To date, Microsoft has shipped over + 50,000 beta copies and pre-release SDKs of Windows NT -- the + actual release is slated for May/June '93. + + While Windows NT has an entirely new design internally, it shares + an application programming interface with the other members of the + Windows family; its Win32 API includes the Win16 API used in Win- + dows 3.1, and the Win32s API subset (Win32 less threads, networking + and security) can be used to create 32-bit applications for + Windows 3.1. + + The user interface is also practically identical to that of Windows + 3.1, with the addition of logins and a few other features. It uses + Program Manager, File Manager and other applets, and generally pre- + sents an identical appearance to the user. Many of the announced + Windows NT applications are ports of existing Windows 3.1 apps, and + NT also runs existing 3.1 applications. + + Thus, it appears logical that Windows NT should share the following + groups with the other members of the Windows family: + comp.os.ms-windows.apps + comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools + comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc + comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32 + + The following groups are also clearly applicable to Windows NT as + well as Windows 3.1: + comp.os.ms-windows.announce + comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy + + In conclusion, the only clear argument for the separation of the + Windows 3.1 and Windows NT hierarchies is different internal + structures of Windows 3.1 and Windows NT. And yet operating + systems such as OS/2, Macintosh OS, Xenix and Coherent all have + undergone major rewrites without having been split into separate + newsgroup hierarchies. + + Further, Windows 3.1 is due for a major rewrite itself in 1994 -- + when the fully 32-bit, protected-mode and with-DOS-built-in next- + generation Windows, ""Chicago"", debuts next year, surely it should + remain in the same hierarchy. And what, then, would be the jus- + tification for separating Windows NT from other Windows versions? + + +DISCUSSION PERIOD: + The discussion period will run from 27 April, 1992 to 18 May, 1993. + +VOTING: + The CFV (Call for Votes) will be issued around 19 May, 1993, based on + the feedback received during the discussion period. No votes will + be accepted prior to the CFV. +-- +[ /tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ] +[ ""stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth. now pull ] +[ up. that's how the corrado makes you feel."" -- car, january '93 ] +",2 +10976,"From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) +Subject: Re: Spreading Christianity (Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor) +Organization: AT&T +Distribution: na +Lines: 29 + +In article , dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes: +> ""David R. Sacco"" writes: +> > Not to be too snide about it, but I think this Christianity must +> > be a very convenient religion, very maliable and suitable for +> > any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants +> > to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and +> > reinterpret the bits that don't match with one's desires. It +> > is, in fact, so convenient that, were I capable of believing +> > in a god, I might consider going for some brand of Christianity. +> > The only difficulty left then, of course, is picking which sect +> > to join. There are just so many. +> > +> > Dean Kaflowitz +> > +> > Yes, Christianity is convenient. Following the teachings of Jesus +> > Christ and the Ten Commandments is convenient. Trying to love in a +> > hateful world is convenient. Turning the other cheek is convenient. So +> > convenient that it is burdensome at times. +> +> Some Christians take a 10% discount off the Ten Commandments. Sunday +> cannot be substituted for the Sabbath. + + +Make that 20%. Where did I see that poll recently about the +very religious and adultery? Was it this newsgroup or alt.atheism +or some other place? + +Dean Kaflowitz + +",19 +2161,"From: christyo@cae.wisc.edu (Buddy Christyono) +Subject: Summary: DoubleDisk Gold v 6.0 +Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering +Lines: 98 + +Hi Netters, + +As promised, here are the summary of opinions on DoubleDisk Gold v.6.0. +People seem to be quite happy with the product. There is no much of +opinion on how good it is compared to the industry leader Stacker 3.0. +(Superstor Pro is not considered since it is slower than Stacker although +just as reliable - BYTE Magazine's conclusion ;-) ), so it's hard to make +any decision to go with Stacker or with DoubleDisk Gold v6.0. +However, it seems that at $39.95, it is quite a buy. + +Buddy Christyono +buddy@optics.ece.wisc.edu +------------------------------------------------------------------------- +summary of replies +------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Hello Buddy, + +I do not have DD Gold 6.0 experience. I just ordered it. I currently have +DD 2.3 (the last version). I am very pleased with its performance. + +Here is my suggestion... + +1) If you do not have any compression software currently, I would go with + DOS 6.0's compression. All the discussion on the net indicates that + for $50 you get the compression (built into the OS), plus the other + utilities that you would pay way more than $50 for. Besides, you + are now at DOS6.0 (whatever that means...) + +2) If you have DoubleDisk 2.3 already (like I do), the cost is $29.95 + for the upgrade. After thinking about it and asking the net, I + decided that I could not go wrong with the update cost! + I have never suffered from performance of DD. I have a 12ms HD with + large SW packages in both compressed and uncompressed format. It + works great. Not delays. I think the ""A"" is better than ""B"" + arguements are a lot of bunk... they are all comparable in performance. + I am looking forward to being able to ""LOADHIGH"" the DD sw. That + has been an annoyance. + +3) If you have Stacker, et.al. currently, I would not see it worth the + effort to upgrade. + +Just my $.02 ... + +Regards, +Mark Bagdy +---------------------------------------------------------------- +Buddy, + +I got the same mailer. About 2 weeks ago I got DDG and installed it. The +documentation was, in my opinion, easy to follow. I used the automatic +installation (not the custom) and everything went smoothly. + +There were some specific instructions on a readme file for dealing with 386max +& QEMM. DDG has an uninstall (unlike DOS6.0) if you need it. My system has a +203Mb hard drive. before installing DDG I had ~5Mb free. After DDG I had +~197Mb free. Pretty good statistics considering that my 8Mb permanent windows +swap file stayed on the uncompressed portion (along with other drivers and +such). + +I have had no problems whatsoever. I have noticed no slowdown (other than it +takes a little longer to boot) either in windows or dos. So far I am a very +happy camper. + +-Bruce +-- + Bruce F. Steinke | ""Never know when you're going to + bsteinke@dsd.es.com | need a good piece of rope."" + Software Technical Support Engineer | Sam Gamgee + Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + I have been using DoubleDisk Gold for a little more than a month on +a 486DX 33Mhz, 120MB Seagate drive, running DOS & Windows in 386 enhanced +mode. + I ran some tests and concluded that the speed of a DoubleDisk drive +with a drive read cache is about equal to the bare drive without a cache. + I have no complaints about reliability. It was very easy to install. +The only problem I had was with Castle Wolfenstein 3-D. I assumed the game +was trying to bypass DOS disk access and moved the game to the non-compressed +region of the disk. Since then the game has never given me a problem. +There was never any damage to the DoubleDisk drive. + Compression performance for the whole disk has held steady +around 1.8:1. This is lower than expected but about 20% (size) of my files +are compressed image files and some large zip files. + +If you have any more specific questions let me know. +Dan +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +I bought it an have been happy with it. I use it on both MFM and IDE 40 +MB drives. I was using DoubleDisk before Gold came out. That is the +same product MSDOS 6.0 is shipping with. No problems with either +product. + +-- +Ron Bjornseth bjornset@pogo.den.mmc.com +/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// +-------------------- END OF MESSAGES -------------------------------------- +",3 +3675,"Organization: University of Maine System +From: Merv +Subject: EGA/VGA Monitor&Card wanted +Lines: 9 + +As it says in the subject, I am looking for a decent EGA or VGA monitor/card +combo that is in working condition. +The only thing is that it must be an 8-bit card. + +E-Mail all offers to: +IO10702@MAINE.MAINE.EDU + +Thanks. +-Merv +",6 +485,"From: andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew) +Subject: Re: 16 million vs 65 thousand colors +Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena +Lines: 28 +NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu + +d9hh@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Harmsen) writes: + +>1-4 bits per R/G/B gives horrible machbanding visible in almost any picture. + +>5 bits per R/G/B (32768, 65000 colors) gives visible machbanding + +>color-gradient picture has _almost_ no machbanding. This color-resolution is + +>see some small machbanding on the smooth color-gradient picture, but all in all, +>There _ARE_ situiations where you get visible mach-banding even in +>a 24 bit card. If +>you create a very smooth color gradient of dark-green-white-yellow +>or something and turn +>up the contrast on the monitor, you will probably see some mach-banding. + + While I don't mean to damn Henrik's attempt to be helpful here, +he's using a common misconception that should be corrected. + + Mach banding will occur for any image. It is not the color +quantization you see when you don't have enough bits. It is the +human eye's response to transitions or edges between intensities. +The result is that colors near the transistion look brighter on +the brighter side and darker on the darker side. + +--Andre + +-- + Andre Yew andrey@cco.caltech.edu (131.215.139.2) +",1 +2447,"Distribution: world +From: Kris_Kauper@fourd.com +Organization: 4th Dimension BBS +Subject: Re: A StyleWriter II question +Lines: 13 + +>I just read an article on the SWII. One thing puzzles me: the article says the +>SWII is a serial-only device. Does that mean I'll have to unplug my modem +each +>time I want to print something??? + +No. The printer port on the Mac is also serial. It has the same interface as +the ImageWriter II. +-Kris +******************************************************************** +System: fourd.com Phone: 617-494-0565 +Cute quote: Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry +******************************************************************** + +",4 +2112,"From: passman@world.std.com (Shirley L Passman) +Subject: Help with motherboard w/no docs +Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA +Lines: 20 + +Well, I was told that my last message came through without anything +in it, so I'll try again. + +I have a Leading Edge 386SX 16 with a flaky motherboard and a friend +game me one to replace it, but he didn't have any docs for the +mother board. It's a CHEERTRON board with Award bios and has a +sticker on it that says VI 1 T1 3 T2 3 on it. I can tell what +most of the switches on the blue blocks mean. except FDC and +SH, but I have no idea about all the jumpers. I've replaced hard +drives and modems and installed math co-processes, but this is a +bit out of my league and without the docs, I'm really lost. + +If anyone could give me some help on this, I'd really appreciate +it. I don't get on news regularly, so if you can help, please +e-mail me at passman@world.std.com + +Thanks. + +-- Shirl + +",3 +10956,"From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) +Subject: Re: Question for those with popular morality +Organization: Microsoft Corp. +Distribution: usa +Lines: 103 + + +In article <1993Apr02.025636.23256@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes: +>/Why would it be immoral to hurt someone else? +> +/(me) +>Because you wouldn't want it to happen to you. + +/(hudson) +/Why does that make something immoral? + + + +Because you are not being consistent. Moral systems must be consistent. + +A person who thinks they can inflict pain on others, but doesn't want it +inflicted upon themselves, has a double standard. And double standards are +a violation of *any* moral system. + + + + + +(me) +>Morality defines how we interact with other people; the rules that we +>use to guide our daily affairs. Our conduct towards our fellow man. By +>realizing that we don't like pain, we can also realize that other people +>don't like it, either. + +/(hudson) +/Of course we don't like pain. I don't like brussel sprouts. Are brussel +/sprouts immoral? + +Pain isn't immoral, stupid. Pain itself is just a physiological +reaction. + +What >>is<< immoral is subjecting unwilling individuals to pain. + +Or brussel sprouts, for that matter. + + + + + + +(hudson) +>/Is it immoral to produce these same chemical reactions in a test tube? +> +(me) +>It isn't the chemical reaction that is wrong, bozo. It's making the human +>being UNDERGO THE EFFECTS of the chemical reaction. Sorry; your cute +>little analogy didn't survive for very long under scrutiny. + +/(hudson) +/Why would it be wrong to make humans undergo the effects of the reactions +/if humans are composed only of matter? + +What humans are composed of isn't the qualifying criteria of whether or +not something would be wrong. + + + + +/(hudson) +/Is it wrong to make matter undergo chemical reactions? + +Yes, if it is sentient matter. + + + +/(me) +/>Nature is not a sentient force; there is no choice involved. Therefore, +/>no question of morality. + + +/(hudson) +/I actually heard a geologist entertain the notion that matter had a will. +/There is some sentient force out there. + +Fine. I have also heard that the government is encoding the DNA for +a new race of superhumans in ordinary drinking water. + +What's your point? + + + +/(hudson) +/If humans are made only of matter, then choices are also chemical reactions, +/so why is choice an important issue. + +And if that is the case, then god is only an idea contained in the minds +of people (formed of matter) and on printed pages (also formed of matter) +and does not really exist. + +I can do the argumentem ad absurdium just as well as you can, but it +won't prove any points for you or me. Got anything relevant you want to +talk about, or are you just playing cute little games? + + + + + + + +",19 +9691,"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) +Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! +Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu +Organization: The Ohio State University +Lines: 19 + +In article mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) writes: +>In article <16BB5124A0.PA146008@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU> PA146008@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU (David + Veal) writes: +>> Be cute if Koresh hit the trail. +>> +>> Maybe he was bodily assumed into heaven. Wouldn't that just +>>make AG Reno's day? +> +>*snort* I sorta doubt it... +> +>However... No bodies? By the time this message gets out +>they'll doubtless have found bunches, but wouldn't it be +>interesting if they had a tunnel and are long gone? + + +If they hadn't killed the ATF people in the original raid, I think I would +laugh my ass off. (Actually, to be honest, I still might.) + +Ryan +",16 +4411,"From: jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford) +Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???) +Reply-To: jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford) +Organization: Nimbus Technology, Santa Clara, CA USA +Lines: 32 + +In article <13269@news.duke.edu> klg@mookie.mc.duke.edu (Kim Greer) writes: +> +> I was wondering if anyone can shed any light on just how it is that these +>electronic odometers remember the total elapsed mileage? What kind of +>memory is stable/reliable enough, non-volatile enough and independent enough +>(of outside battery power) to last say, 10 years or more, in the life of a +>vehicle? I'm amazed that anything like this could be expected to work for +>this length of time (especially in light of all the gizmos I work with that +>are doing good to work for 2 months without breaking down somehow). +> +MK48T02 from thomsom. It has a timekeeper (clock) and 512 bytes of NVRAM which +has a lithium battery backup. The battery has a life of ~10 years of poweroff +operation. Installed in a car it could be left powered on continuously and not +draw much current. The battery would only be used when your auto battery was +dead or had been removed. + +>Side question: how about the legal ramifications of selling a used car with +>a replaced odometer that starts over at 0 miles, after say 100/200/300K +>actual miles. Looks like fraud would be fairly easy - for the price of a +>new odometer, you can say it has however many miles you want to tell the +>buyer it has. + +In California they have a line on the transfer of ownership form which states +that the odometer mileage is correct. If incorrect you are required to +fill in what you know (or guesstimate) to be the correct mileage. If you +lie on this form and are caught you can be prosecuted and the buyer can +sue you for the value of the mileage differential. +-- +Faster Horses +Younger Women +Older Whiskey +More Money! +",7 +7329,"From: sean@dip1.ee.uct.ac.za (Sean Borman) +Subject: INFO WANTED : Graphics LCD displays +Organization: University of Cape Town +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 15 + + +Hi there + +Does anyone know how to get hold of data as well as stock of the +LCD displays used in the NINTENDO GAMEBOY handheld TV game machines? + +Any information wouold be MOST appreciated. + +Please e-mail any replies to + +arawstorne@eleceng.uct.ac.za + +thanks + +Alex +",12 +7106,"From: moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) +Subject: Re: Telephone on hook/off hok ok circuit +Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarhdd +Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] +Lines: 37 + +Tony Kidson (tony@morgan.demon.co.uk) wrote: +: In article lrk@k5qwb.lonestar.org writes: +: +: >mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: +: > +: >> In article <1ptolq$p7e@werple.apana.org.au> petert@zikzak.apana.org.au (Peter +: >> > +: >> >Just a thought of mine here: +: >> >Since an on-hook line is aprox 48-50V, and off-hook it usually drops below 1 +: >> >How about an LED in series with a zener say around 30V. +: >> >On-hook = LED on +: >> >Off-hook = LED off. +: >> >Would this work? If anyone tries/tried it, please let me know. +: >> +: >> Aye, there's the rub -- if you draw enough current to light an LED, the +: >> equipment at the phone company will think you've gone off hook. +: >> In the on-hook state you're not supposed to draw current. +: > +: >Which means you should just use your Digital VoltMeter. You can use an +: >old VOM but the phone company equipment can detect that and might think +: >there's something wrong with the cable. +: > +: +: Look Guys, what's the problem here? If you want a light that goes on when +: the 'phone is *Off* hook, all you need it to run it in *series* with the +: line, as I mentioned in my previous post. If you want a light that goes on +: when the 'phone is *on* hook, all you need is a voltage threshold detector. + +If you're going to do the series Diode thing (which is the easiest), just +make sure that the LED can take the current (I can't recall it off-hand, but +it's something like 100mA or more?) + +Greggo. + +Greg Moffatt moffatt@bnr.ca +Bell-Northern Resarch Inc., Ottawa Canada +""My opinions; not BNR's"" +",12 +5560,"From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) +Subject: Re: Jose Canseco's Swing - 1992 vs. 1986. +Distribution: na +Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA +Lines: 68 + +In article ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary Built Like Villanueva Huckabay) writes: +>Here's my analysis of Jose Canseco, circa Sep '92, and Jose Canseco, +>circa June 1986. +> +>1. He's bulked up too much. Period. He needs to LOSE about 20 pounds, +> not gain more bulk. + +I've been saying that for at least 2 years now and even the A's conditioning +guru told Jose he was carrying too much weight and losing some would help +his back.Although I don't for one second believe Jose used steroids,his +back problems are very similar to problems alot of steroid users experience +because they are simply carrying too much weight on their frame(see Jeff +Bregel ex 49er as a textbook example), and IMHO Jose is too big for his +frame. + + +>2. His bat speed has absolutely VANISHED. Conservatively, I'd say he's +> lost 4%-7% of his bat speed, and that's a HUGE amount of speed. + +I can't imagine how to estimate bat speed, but its pretty obvious that +Jose is missing fastballs he used to hit, likely due to his back. + + +>3. That open stance is KILLING him. Note that he acts sort of like +> Brian Downing - way open to start, then closes up as ball is +> released. Downing could do this without significant head movement - +> Canseco can't. Also, note that Canseco doesn't always close his +> stance the same way - sometimes, his hips are open, sometimes, +> they're fully closed. Without a good starting point, it's hard +> to make adjustments in your swing. + +I don't know, he had an even more open stance when he first came up with +the A's, and had no problems with it then. It might be that pre-back +problems, he was quick enough to cover up any deficiencies the stance +caused, but now he's lost just enough bat speed that the stance hurts +him. The old saying if you're hot its a trigger mechanism, if you're +cold, its a hitch. + +>First, minimize movement before the swing. Close and widen the stance, +>and severely cut down the stride I take on my swing. Hopefully, this +>will cut down on the time I need to swing, and will allow me to move +>the bathead more freely. + +The biggest problem IMHO is he never has found a stance he's comfortable +with for more than a few months. He changes his stance so much, he loses +track of where the strike zone is. In Wednesday's night game, he was +clearly mad at strike calls on both corners that looked pretty good to +me. I think he no longer knows where the strike zone really is because +he's changed his stance so much. + +I'm also a bit concerned that because he's got Palmer and Gonzalez hitting +all the homeruns, he'll become competitive, swing even harder and screw +himself up even worse. LaRussa always said that Canseco's famous batting +practice homer shows did him more harm than good as they encouraged +bad hitting habits. + + + + +Russ Smith +******************************************************************************* +""I don't know anything about X's, but I know about some O."" + George Gervin on being an assistant coach +******************************************************************************** + + + + +",9 +8431,"From: schaefer@sal-sun121.usc.edu (Peter Schaefer) +Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? +Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA +Lines: 29 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun121.usc.edu + + +In article <1993Apr19.130503.1@aurora.alaska.edu>, nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: +|> In article <6ZV82B2w165w@theporch.raider.net>, gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) writes: +|> > With the continuin talk about the ""End of the Space Age"" and complaints +|> > by government over the large cost, why not try something I read about +|> > that might just work. +|> > +|> > Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation +|> > who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. +|> > Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin +|> > to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then! +|> > +|> > -- +|> > gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) +|> > theporch.raider.net 615/297-7951 The MacInteresteds of Nashville +|> ==== +|> If that were true, I'd go for it.. I have a few friends who we could pool our +|> resources and do it.. Maybe make it a prize kind of liek the ""Solar Car Race"" +|> in Australia.. +|> Anybody game for a contest! +|> +|> == +|> Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked + + +Oh gee, a billion dollars! That'd be just about enough to cover the cost of the +feasability study! Happy, Happy, JOY! JOY! + +Peter F. Schaefer +",14 +10376,"From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) +Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Israel! +In-Reply-To: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Mon, 26 Apr 1993 17:57:50 GMT +Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University +Lines: 6 + +In article eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: + + Israel - Happy 45th Birthday! + +May you and your neighbors know peace even before you see 46. + +",17 +7304,"From: bryan@philips.oz.au (Bryan Ryan) +Organization: Philips Public Telecommunications Systems, Melbourne, Australia +Subject: Re: RAMs &ROMs with ALE latches (for 8051's) +Lines: 28 + +spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes: + +>In article <1qg98sINNokf@sheoak.ucnv.edu.au> jeff@redgum.ucnv.edu.au (j. pethybridge) writes: +>> Hello again, +>> I asked this a year ago, but i am still looking. +>> I am getting sick of having to use a HC373 + +>Jeff, just use the damned 373. Sure, there are oddball +>latched memory chips, but do you really want to use them? + +>Sorry if I'm pedantic but: design your circuit using +>reasonably available parts, and move on to more important +>problems. + +We're looking at a series of chips by WSI, the PSD3xx series. They have +_mega_ address decoding logic on them, various ROM sizes (upto 1Mbit), +various RAM sizes (upto 16 K), and 19 I/O ports which can be chip select +lines, I/O or the buffered address lines. + +Cute chip, 44 pin PLCC package. + +Second sourcing may be a problem though :-( + + +Bryan Ryan, VK3TKX +Melbourne, Australia +bryan@philips.oz.au + +",12 +2132,"From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) +Subject: Utility to switch cap locks/ctrl keys +Organization: Mail Group +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 9 + +Being a big fan of the official IBM keyboards, I have a PS/2 keyboard attached +to my clone computer. I want to know if there is a software utility +out there that can be used to switch the locations of the ctrl and +cap locks keys. Even better, does IBM or any third party make ctrl +and cap lock key replacements that can be used to visually switch +the keys as well? + +-- +Will Estes Internet: westes@netcom.com +",3 +8549,"From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) +Subject: Re: Lindbergh and the moon (was:Why not give $1G) +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 42 + +mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus) writes: + +>cook@varmit.mdc.com (Layne Cook) writes: +>> All of this talk about a COMMERCIAL space race (i.e. $1G to the first 1-year +>> moon base) is intriguing. Similar prizes have influenced aerospace +>>development before. The $25k Orteig prize helped Lindbergh sell his Spirit of +>> Saint Louis venture to his financial backers. +>> But I strongly suspect that his Saint Louis backers had the foresight to +>> realize that much more was at stake than $25,000. +>> Could it work with the moon? Who are the far-sighted financial backers of +>> today? + +> The commercial uses of a transportation system between already-settled- +>and-civilized areas are obvious. Spaceflight is NOT in this position. +>The correct analogy is not with aviation of the '30's, but the long +>transocean voyages of the Age of Discovery. + +Lindbergh's flight took place in '27, not the thirties. + +>It didn't require gov't to +>fund these as long as something was known about the potential for profit +>at the destination. In practice, some were gov't funded, some were private. + +Could you give examples of privately funded ones? + +>But there was no way that any wise investor would spend a large amount +>of money on a very risky investment with no idea of the possible payoff. + +Your logic certainly applies to standard investment strategies. However, the +concept of a prize for a difficult goal is done for different reasons, I +suspect. I'm not aware that Mr Orteig received any significant economic +benefit from Lindbergh's flight. Modern analogies, such as the prize for a +human powered helicopter face similar arguments. There is little economic +benefit in such a thing. The advantage comes in the new approaches developed +and the fact that a prize will frequently generate far more work than the +equivalent amount of direct investment would. A person who puts up $ X billion +for a moon base is much more likely to do it because they want to see it done +than because they expect to make money off the deal. +-- +Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu + ""Find a way or make one."" + -attributed to Hannibal +",14 +9498,"From: donb@netcom.com (Don Baldwin) +Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! +Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) +Lines: 29 + +In article <1993Apr18.001319.2340@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu +writes: +>The bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary +>opponents ... those who posessa a cool jakcet you want, those who +>would argue with you about a parking space, those who would +>take your woman. In short, trivial and worthless causes. + +That's open for debate. Certainly, an excessive number of people are +murdered every year but people also do save innocent lives with firearms. +The media just don't tell us when it happens... + +>Too much of this has ruined you cause. There is no recovery. +>In the near future, federal martials will come for your arms. + +I think there are more of us than there are federal marshalls... + +>No one will help you. You are more dangerous, to their thinking, +>than the 'criminal'. This is your own fault. + +Crap. It's simplistic thinking on the part of feather-headed dolts. + +>The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way. + +Nuts. + + don + + + +",16 +9090,"From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu +Subject: Q the Lost Gospel +Organization: The Claremont Graduate School +Lines: 5 + +Just finished reading Burton Mack's new book, _The Lost Gospel, Q and Christian +Origins_. I thought it was totally cool. Anyone else read it and want to +talk? + +Randy +",15 +7745,"From: texx@ossi.com (Robert ""Texx"" Woodworth) +Subject: Re: Can men get yeast infections? +Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc. +Lines: 16 +Distribution: na +NNTP-Posting-Host: nym.ossi.com + +noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: + +>In article Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom) writes: + +>>Here's a potentially stupid question to possibly the wrong news group, but. . +>> +>>Can men get yeast infections? Spread them? What kind of symptoms? +>>Similar as women's? I have a yeast infection and my husband (who is a +>>natural paranoid on a good day) is sure he's gonna catch it and keeps +>>asking me what it's like. I'm not sure what his symptoms would be. . + +>The answer is yes and no. I'm sure others on sci.med can expand on this. + +Recently someone posted an account of this. +Unfortunately it was posted to alt.tasteless so the gross details were emphasized +instead of th e actual scientific facts. +",13 +9200,"From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) +Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."" +Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada +Lines: 48 + +In article johnsd2@rpi.edu writes: +>In article 28388@athos.rutgers.edu, jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: +> +>> Drugs are a replacement for Christ. +>>Those who have an empty spot in the God-shaped hole in their hearts must +>>do something to ease the pain. +> +>I have heard this claim quite a few times. Does anybody here know +>who first came up with the ""God-shaped hole"" business? +> +>> This is why the most effective +>>substance-abuse recovery programs involve meeting peoples' spiritual +>>needs. +> +>You might want to provide some evidence next time you make a claim +>like this. +> +In 12-step programs (like Alcoholics Anonymous), one of the steps +involves acknowleding a ""higher power"". AA and other 12-step abuse- +recovery programs are acknowledged as being among the most effective. + +Unfortunately, as evidence for God, this can be dismissed by stating +that the same defect of personality makes substance abusers as makes +people 'religious', and the debunker could perhaps acknowledge that +being religious is a better crutch than being a drug addict, but +still maintain that both are escapism. (And I suspect that there +are some atheists who would find the substance abuse preferable to +Christianity.) + +I think that an essential problem with communication between Christ- +ians and atheists is that as Christians we necessarily see ourselves +as incomplete, and needing God (the 'God-shaped hole'), while atheists +necessarily see themselves as self-sufficient. If the atheists are +right, Christians are guilty of being morally weak, and too cowardly +to stand up for themselves; if the Christians are right, the atheists +are guilty of considerable arrogance. (I use the term atheist to +refer to a person who has a definite conviction that there is no God, +as opposed to one who does not know and/or does not care about God.) +== +Seanna Watson Bell-Northern Research, | Pray that at the end of living, +(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada | Of philosophies and creeds, + | God will find his people busy +Opinion, what opinions? Oh *these* opinions. | Planting trees and sowing seeds. +No, they're not BNR's, they're mine. | +I knew I'd left them somewhere. | --Fred Kaan + +(let's see...I spelled 'sowing' right; I got the author's name right--maybe +my 3rd iteration .sig will be a keeper.) +",15 +3865,"Subject: Contax camera system for sale +From: joltes@husc10.harvard.edu (Richard Joltes) +Distribution: usa +Organization: Harvard University Science Center +Nntp-Posting-Host: husc10.harvard.edu +Lines: 24 + +This is posted for a friend who doesn't have net access...you can send replies +to me, but I'll be out of my office all next week, so don't expect a response +until at least 4/27! + +For sale: Contax camera system + +Includes: Contax 139 quartz SLR body + 50mm f1.7 Zeiss (!) Planna Lens + 135mm f2.8 Yashica Lens + Medium-sized hard case + +All items are in exceptional condition. + +Asking price: $175 for all items listed above. The seller is attempting to +sell the lot as a set, but you can negotiate that with him. + +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Dick Joltes joltes@husc.harvard.edu +Hardware & Networking Manager, Computer Services joltes@husc.bitnet +Harvard University Science Center + +""Any woman that you become extremely attracted to will immediately tell you +that you're the best friend a woman could ever have."" -- David Crist + +",6 +7260,"From: Wayne Alan Martin +Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? +Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 60 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu +In-Reply-To: <79694@cup.portal.com> + +Excerpts from netnews.sci.electronics: 16-Apr-93 Re: What do Nuclear +Site's .. by R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal. +> From: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com +> Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? +> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 21:27:21 PDT +> +> In article: <1qlg9o$d7q@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU> +> swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) wrote: +> >I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that +> >this board would be most appropriate. +> >I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that +> >are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders +> >that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the +> >actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called +> >'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool? +> +> Except for their size, the cooling towers on nuclear power plants +> are vertually identical in construction and operation to cooling +> towers designed and built in the 1890's (a hundred years ago) for +> coal fired power plants used for lighting and early electric railways. +> +> Basicly, the cylindrical tower supports a rapid air draft when +> its air is heated by hot water and/or steam circulating thru a network +> of pipes that fill about the lower 1/3 of the tower. To assist cooling +> and the draft, water misters are added that spray cold water over the +> hot pipes. The cold water evaporates, removing the heat faster than +> just air flow from the draft would and the resulting water vapor is +> rapidly carried away by the draft. This produces the clouds frequently +> seen rising out of these towers. +> +> That slight pinch (maybe 2/3 of the way up the tower) is there because +> it produces a very significant increase in the strength and rate of +> the air draft produced, compared to a straight cylinder shape. +> +> The towers are used to recondense the steam in the sealed steam +> system of the power plant so that it can be recirculated back to the +> boiler and used again. The wider the temperature difference across +> the turbines used in the power plant the more effecient they are and +> by recondensing the steam in the cooling towers before sending it +> back to the boilers you maintain a very wide temperature difference +> (sometimes as high as 1000 degrees or more from first stage ""hot"" +> turbine to final stage ""cold"" turbine). +> +> R. Tim Coslet +> +> Usenet: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com +> technology, n. domesticated natural phenomena + +Great Explaination, however you left off one detail, why do you always +see them at nuclear plants, but not always at fossil fuel plants. At +nuclear plants it is prefered to run the water closed cycle, whereas +fossil fuel plants can in some cases get away with dumping the hot +water. As I recall the water isn't as hot (thermodynamically) in many +fossil fuel plants, and of course there is less danger of radioactive +contamination. + +Wayne Martin + + + +",12 +6629,"From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) +Subject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative +Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA +Lines: 9 +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net + + >As a flaming libertarian paranoid extremist (:-), I'at a loss for + >specific objections that don't sound frighteningly technical. + + The idea that foisting the Cripple Chip standard on US manufacturers would +result in saying ""Sayonara"" to yet another high-tech market isn't technical, +isn't in the least difficult to understand, and plays on a concern lots of +people are worried about already.... + + +",11 +7905,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Subject: Re: Mississippi River water and catfish: safe? +Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Distribution: usa +Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science +Lines: 18 + +In article <1993Apr12.204033.126645@zeus.calpoly.edu> dfield@flute.calpoly.edu (InfoSpunj (Dan Field)) writes: +>I've been invited to spend a couple weeks this summer rafting down the +>Mississippi. My journey partners want to live off of river water and +>catfish along the route. Should I have any concerns about pollution or +>health risks in doing this? + +You'd have to purify the river water first. I'm not sure how practical +that is with the Mississippi. You'd better check with health agencies +along the way to see if there are toxic chemicals in the river. If +it is just microorganisms, those can be filtered or killed, but you +may need activated charcoal or other means to purify from chemicals. +Better be same than sorry. Obviously, drinking the river without +processing it is likely to make you sick from bacteria and parasites. +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +",13 +1768,"From: pgeltner@netcon.smc.edu (Peter Geltner) +Subject: Re: Soundblaster IRQ and Port settings +Organization: Santa Monica College, Santa Monica, CA +Lines: 23 + +In article <1qjv95$1t1@bogus.sura.net> vargish@bogus.sura.net (Nicholas Vargish) writes: +>A SoundBlater (SB) card is _supposed_ to share IRQ 7 with LPT1 +>(parallel printer interface 1), and in general this scheme works well. +>However, sometimes there are conflicts -- it seemed to depend on the +>software more than anything else. Origin games are especially bitchy +>about having the WHOLE interrupt to themselves... :^) +> +>My solution was to switch the interrupt to IRQ 5, which is unreserved +>in contemporary computers (using IRQ 5 for the drives went out with +>the XT architechture -- DON'T put the SB in IRQ 5 if you have an XT, +>get a new computer instead). This IRQ has been completely stable for +>me, and I use my SB to play .mods and .wavs under Linux (a free UN*X +>for 386 or better PC-architecture machines) with _no_ problems, as +>well as games under DOS... + +I also use IRQ 5. But there is one disadvantage. Some games assume that +the board is using IRQ 7 and have no way to adjust this setting. I had +trouble with some of the Lucas Films games. +-- + +Peter Geltner Administrative Dean of Computing + Santa Monica College + Santa Monica, California 90405 +",3 +9939,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) +Subject: The Orders for the Turkish Extermination of the Armenians #17 +Summary: To the children of genocide: ""Send them away into the Desert"" +Article-I.D.: urartu.1993Apr6.115347.10660 +Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies +Lines: 145 + + + The Orders for the Turkish Extermination of the Armenians #17 + To the children of genocide: ""Send them away into the Desert"" + +This is part of a continuing series of articles containing official Turkish +wartime (WW1) governmental telegrams, in translation, entailing the orders +for the extermination of the Armenian people in Turkey. Generally, these +telegrams were issued by the Turkish Minister of the Interior, Talaat Pasha, +for example, we have the following set regarding children: + + ""To the Government of Aleppo. + + November 5, 1915. We are informed that the little ones belonging to + the Armenians from Sivas, Mamuret-ul-Aziz, Diarbekir and Erzeroum + [hundreds of km distance from Aleppo] are adopted by certain Moslem + families and received as servants when they are left alone through + the death of their parents. We inform you that you are to collect + all such children in your province and send them to the places of + deportation, and also to give the necessary orders regarding this to + the people. + + Minister of the Interior, + + Talaat"" [1] + + ""To the Government of Aleppo. + + September 21, 1915. There is no need for an orphanage. It is not the + time to give way to sentiment and feed the orphans, prolonging their + lives. Send them away to the desert and inform us. + + Minister of the Interior, + Talaat"" [2] + + ""To the General Committee for settling and deportees. + + November 26, 1915. There were more than four hundred children in the + orphanage. They will be added to the caravans and sent to their + places of exile. + + Abdullahad Nuri. [3] + + + ""To the Government of Aleppo. + + January 15, 1916. We hear that certain orphanages which have been + opened receive also the children of the Armenians. Whether this is + done through the ignorance of our real purpose, or through contempt + of it, the Government will regard the feeding of such children or + any attempt to prolong their lives as an act entirely opposed to it + purpose, since it considers the survival of these children as + detrimental. I recommend that such children shall not be received + into the orphanages, and no attempts are to be made to establish + special orphanages for them. + + Minister of the Interior, + + Talaat."" [4] + + ""To the Government of Aleppo. + + + Collect and keep only those orphans who cannot remember the tortures + to which their parents have been subjected. Send the rest away with + the caravans. + + Minister of the Interior, + + Talaat"" [5] + + ""From the Ministry of the Interior to the Government of Aleppo. + + At a time when there are thousands of Moslem refugees and the widows + of Shekid [fallen soldiers] are in need of food and protection, it is + not expedient to incur extra expenses by feeding the children left by + Armenians, who will serve no purpose except that of giving trouble + in the future. It is necessary that these children should be turned + out of your vilayet and sent with the caravans to the place of + deportation. Those that have been kept till now are also to be sent + away, in compliance with our previous orders, to Sivas. + + Minister of the Interior, + + Talaat"" [6] + +In 1926, Halide Edip (a pioneer Turkish nationalist) wrote in her memoirs +about a conversation with Talaat Pasha, verifying and ""rationalizing"" this +ultra-national fascist anti-Armenian mentality, the following: + + ""I have the conviction that as long as a nation does the best for + its own interest, and succeeds, the world admires it and thinks + it moral. I am ready to die for what I have done, and I know I + shall die for it."" [7] + + +These telegrams were entered as unquestioned evidence during the 1923 trial of +Talaat Pasha's, assassin, Soghomon Tehlerian. The Turkish government never +questioned these ""death march orders"" until 1986, during a time when the world +was again reminded of the genocide of the Armenians. + +For reasons known to those who study the psychology of genocide denial, the +Turkish government and their supporters in crime deny that such orders were +ever issued, and further claim that these telegrams were forgeries based on a +study by S. Orel and S. Yuca of the Turkish Historical Society. + +If one were to examine the sample ""authentic text"" provided in the Turkish +Historical Society study and use their same forgery test on that sample, it +too would be a forgery!. In fact, if any of the tests delineated by the +Turkish Historical Society are performed an any piece of Ottoman Turkish or +Persian/Arabic script, one finds that anything handwritten in such language is +a forgery. + +Today, the body of Talaat Pasha lies in a tomb on Liberty Hill, Istanbul, +Turkey, just next to the Yildiz University campus. The body of this genocide +architect was returned to Turkey from Germany during WW2 when Turkey was in a +heightened state of proto-fascism. Recently, this monument has served as a +focal point for anti-Armenianism in Turkey. + +This monument represents the epitome of the Turkish government's pathological +denial of a clear historical event and is an insult to a people whose only +crime was to be born Armenian. + + - - - references - - - + +[1] _The Memoirs of Naim Bey_, Aram Andonian, 1919, pages 59-60 + +[2] ibid, page 60 + +[3] ibid, page 60 + +[4] ibid, page 61 + +[5] ibid, page 61 + +[6] ibid, page 62 + +[7] _Memoirs of Halide Edip_, Halide Edip, The Century Press, New York (and + London), 1926, page 387 + + +-- +David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on +S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't +P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" +Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 +",17 +8572,"From: dfegan@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Egan) +Subject: Re: *** HELP I NEED SOME ADDRESSES *** +Organization: LESC +Lines: 19 + +In <1993Apr20.041300.21721@ncsu.edu> jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) writes: + +> I'm trying to get mailing addresses for the following +>companies. Specifically, I need addresses for their personnel +>offices or like bureau. The companies are: + +> - Space Industries, Inc. (Somewhere in Houston) + 101 Courageous Dr. + Leage City, TX 77573 + Phone: (713) 538-6000 + + +Good Luck! +Doug +-- + Doug Egan ""It's not what you got - + Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Co. It's what you give."" + Houston, TX -Tesla + ***** email: egan@blkbox.com ***** +",14 +9687,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) +Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 +Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. +Lines: 33 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com + +In article , kevin@axon.usa (Kevin Vanhorn) writes: +> In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: +> > +> > Two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set +> > by cult members. +> +> Correction: The *FBI* *says* that two of the nine who escaped said the fire +> was deliberately set by cult members. Since the press was kept miles away, +> we have absolutely no independent verification of any of the government's +> claims in this matter. + +Moreover, the BATF has admitted having agents in the compound, and as +far as I have been able to ascertain, those agents were still in the +compound when the first shots were fired. For all we know, these two +people may BE the agents, who would certainly be unlikely to stay around +and ""cook"" with the faithful... + +Assuming the two people in question were even in the compound at all. + +Maybe I sound paranoid, but I watched Janet Reno last night harping on +how much David Koresh was a big, bad child abuser, and I kept wondering +why she -- much less BATF -- wanted us to infer that she had any +jurisdiction over such accusations in the first place. + +I'm POSITIVE that the ""sealed warrant"" is not for child abuse. What was +it for? Peobably weapons violations. Janet Reno didn't say WORD ONE +last night about weapons violations. Why? Because she knows that such +a case is no longer believable? +-- + +cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, +OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... + +",16 +5902,"From: dvb@ick (David Van Beveren) +Subject: Sad day for hockey +Organization: Sunsoft Inc., Los Angeles, CA. +Lines: 59 +NNTP-Posting-Host: ick +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 + +ee0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (""Ethan Z. Evans"") writes: +: +: Of course, penalties will have to be changed: +: +: Roughing: Chauvanistic Males Being Aggressive +: Slashing: Chauvanistic Males Venting Frustration +: Fighting: Proof That Males Cannot Cope With Their Feelings +: + +NO NO NO! since all the penalties fall into three classes, there should +only be three penalties: + +1. Foul (Any illegal contact with the other player or his stick with your + body or stick). If you get 5 you are out for the game. + +2. Unsportsmanlike contact. (An intentional foul). This inlcludes all the + current flavours of roughing, fighting and boarding. If you get two you + are thrown out of the game, and fined. + +3. Technical foul. Bad mouthing the ref, by player or coach. Penalty shot + is awarded. Two and you are thrown out of the game. + +Besides the penalty shot for one technical, if the team gets 5 penalties +in a period, the opposing team gets a penalty shot for every additional one, +until the end of the period. The victim gets two shots if he/she was in +the act of shooting when the foul ocured. + +This works well for several reasons. First, penalty shots are the most +exciting thing in hockey, right? So, it follows that the more the better. +Next, when the player is setting up for a penalty shot, the network can +take a commercial. Finally, with only three penalties, the network +announcers (Don Meredith, Dick Vitale, John Madden, Pat Summerall, and +Marv Levy, among others) will be able to tell the viewers what happened before +the PA announcer says it. + +Oh, one other rule. When a goal is scored (10-20 times a period), the play +cannot resume until the PA announcer announces it. This way, the network +can sneak in a few more commercials. Then, once the PA announcer has told +them who scored, the TV announcer can tell you the viewer, and even have a +chance of pronouncing his name right. + +Seriously, though, I actually went to see a NBA basketball game last week, +for the first time in my life. I was amazed how boring it was. The play is +so slow they actually had fans come out for things like free-throw shooting +contests DURING THE PERIOD!. Of course the 'Laker Girls' get to do their +routines at least 6-8 times during the game, and not just between periods +either. There is a whistle every 30 seconds on average, maybe less. The +game is 48 minutes, with 2 minutes between quarters 1-2 and 3-4 and a +10 minute halftime, and it still takes over 2 hours. + +The reason for this has to be TV. There is plenty of room to throw in +commercials, and have the announcer jabber while nothing else is happening. +On TV, basketball is fairly entertaining, IMHO. But, it is better to watch +it on TV than to be there. If this is the road the NHL is following, then +it truly is a sad day. + +Enough for now. + +dvb +",10 +853,"From: yoo@engr.ucf.edu (Hoi Yoo) +Subject: Ribbon Information ? +Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando +Distribution: usa +Lines: 20 + + + +Does anyone out there have or know of, any kind of utility program for + +Ribbons? + + +Ribbons are a popular representation for 2D shape. I am trying to +find symmetry axis in a given any 2D shape using ribbons. + + +Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated how to start program. + + +Thanks very much in advance, +Hoi + + +yoo@engr.ucf.edu + +",1 +10029,"From: stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) +Subject: Re: Deriving Pleasure from Death +Organization: Unocal Corporation +Lines: 26 + + +Peter Garfiel Freeman writes: + + +>>them. (By the way, I do not applaud the killing of _any_ human being, +>>including prisoners sentenced to death by our illustrious justice department) +>> +>>Peace. +>>-marc + + +>Boy, you really are a stupid person. Our justice department does +>not sentence people to death. That's up to state courts. Again, +>get a brain. + + +Peter, I think you are ridiculous here. Stupidity is not a measure of how +well someone knows our judicial system. I guess Marc meant that he is +against death penalty. But no matter what he meant, your statement not +justified. + + +Regards, + +Dorin + +",17 +9479,"From: jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) +Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... +Organization: Interactive Media Group - University of Massachusetts at Lowell +Lines: 76 + +In article <1993Apr16.171115.16812@synapse.bms.com>, hambidge@bms.com writes: +-> Actually, the words ""A well regulated Milita, being necessary to the +-> security of a free state"" is a present participle, used as an +-> adjective to modify 'militia', which is followed by the main clause of +-> the sentence, the subject being 'the right', the verb 'shall'. It +-> asserts that the right to keep and bear arms is essential for +-> maintaining a milita. +-> a free state. + +Yes, I agree the first half of the amendment does modify the noun +militia. But the difinition of modify that applies to how ""well regulated"" +modifies ""militia"" is: + to qualify or limit the meaning of. For example, ""wet"" + modifes ""day"" in the phrase ""a wet day."" + +The amendment is similiar to the statement: + A wet day, being annoying, the right of the people to keep + and wear boots, shall not be infringed. +So how does a dry day pertain the right to use boots? Similiar, +what does the ""unorganized militia"" have to due with the right to +own guns? + +-> The sentence [in the Second Amendment] doesn't restrict the right, or +-> state or imply possession of the right by anyone or anything other +-> than the people. All it does is make a positive statement regarding a +-> right of the people. The PEOPLE, as in you and me, as in the First, +-> Fourth, Ninth, Tenth, as well as the Second amendment. +-> The existence of this right is assumed - it is not granted by the +-> amendment. There is no stated or implied condition relating the right +-> to bear arms to the necessity of a well-regulated militia to the security of +-> In other words, the entire sentence says that the right to keep and +-> bear arms is UNCONDITIONAL. + +No not, unconditional, but ""shall not be infringed"". Infringed +is defined as: + To break or ignore the terms of or obligations (an oath, + an agreement, law, or the like); to disreguard; violate. + To go beyond the boundaries or limits; tresspass; encroach. +This definition implies the following of some form of existing +agreement. Laws and agreements are made in advance. Boundaries +or limits of behavior are set by society as a whole. The word +""unconditional"" implies no agreements or all previous agreements +are off, which is the opposite. + +The words used in the first amendment are much stronger, i.e., +""congress shall make no law,"" are much stronger. They clearly + ^^^^^^^^^^^ +imply ""unconditional."" If the writers of the amendment, wanted +unconditional whay didn't they says, ""congress shall make no +laws pertaining the the right of the people to keep and bear arms""? +The second amendment implies a sort contract between the people +the people and the state. The bigger part of the contract is +the people have the right to overthrew the government and its laws +at any time. To guarantee this right, the laws cannot stopped +the people from forming a ""well regutaled militia."" The duties +of a ""well regulated militia"" to the government are descussed in +Federalist No. 29. And the limits of of the governmental control +of the militia are descussed in Article I Section 8, Article II +Section 2, and the Second Amendment of the constitution. + +-- ++-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ +| | ""If only it were a modern document, with a | +| John Lawrence Rutledge | smart index and hyper links stretching all | +| Research Assistant | through the world data net. It was terribly | +| | frustrating to flip back and forth between | +| Interactive Media Group | the pages and crude flat illustrations that | +| Computer Science Department | never even moved. Nor were there animated | +| UMass - Lowell | arrows or zoom-ins. It completely lacked a | +| 1 University Ave. | for sound. | +| Lowell, MA 01854 | ""Most baffling of all was the problem of new | +| | words... In normal text you'd only have to | +| (508) 934-3568 | touch an unfamiliar word and the definition | +| jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu | would pop up just below."" | +| | from David Brin's ""Earth"" | ++-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ +",16 +6313,"From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) +Subject: Re: Flyers [Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)...] +Organization: AT&T +Distribution: na +Keywords: NHL, awards +Lines: 67 + +In article <1993Apr15.190132.29787@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes: +> So in other words, if Roussel shuts out the Sharks and Soderstrom shuts out +> the Penguins, that's immaterial because it was the coaches decision? Come on, +> Joe, think about what you're saying! Who they played is VERY significant. +> Why they played them is what's irrelevent. A low GAA against good teams +> is better than a low GAA against bad teams in the context of comparing two +> goaltenders. A low GAA is better then a higher GAA. A low GAA against good +> teams is much, much better than a higher GAA against bad teams in the context +> of comparing two goaltenders. + +Let's start over. I'm not arguing about who is the better goaltender. I'd +take Soderstrom right now. What I am saying is that Roussel can be a #1 +netminder. The GAA difference is less than half a goal per game (less than +that after last night), their save percentages are close, and their records +are similar. And with that, I just don't see how you can label Roussel as +the most disappointing player on the Flyers this season. + +You say Soderstrom played against better competition. That may very well +be, but there is no way of knowing how Roussel would have performed in +those games. Besides, against the better scoring teams like Pittsburgh, +the defense is more keyed up than they are against San Jose. + +> The same +> for Roussel in the Ranger game. Two real scoring chances, one he made a +> great play, the other he was saved by a mistake from the other player. If +> you were judging Roussel on that game alone, you have very little to go by. + +But I'm not just judging Roussel on that game alone. I've seen him play +for the past two seasons in Philly and before that in Hershey. It's just +my opinion, but I think he's got what it takes. Of course, I thought that +about Mark LaForest, too. But I never did about Wendell Young. So I'm +batting .500 in judging Hershey talent since the Hextall-era. + +As for the Rangers game, you can say he was saved by a mistake by the +offensive player if you like. But Rou had his leg in position to make the +save. If he didn't, it wouldn't have mattered if the Rangers player didn't +get the puck up or not. It would have been a goal. On a breakaway that's +what the goalie wants to do, take away as much as possible and force the +shooter to beat him. + +> But if you were to look at the 0-0 tie against the Habs, you saw a goalie +> stand on his head to get that shutout. THAT was a #1 goalie in action. Roussel +> doesn't have a game like that in him. + +I seem to remember Roussel doing an excellent job against Pittsurgh on +opening night to give the Flyers a tie against the two-time defending +champs. And not to take anything away from Soderstrom because he was +senational in that game agains the Habs. But you can't tell me that a +Montreal player had an open net to shoot at some point during that game +and just flat out missed it. Mistakes, both on offense and defense are +part of the game. Or there'd never be shutouts. + +Anyway, I'm happy the Flyers have both Soderstrom and Roussel and +I'm not going to argue about it anymore. Besides, with the current +7-game winning streak and expectations soaring for next year, I +don't want to piss you off to the point that you don't sell me any +tickets next season:-). + + \ \ +Joe Dakes \/\ +AT&T Microelectronics \/\ +555 Union Boulevard \ \ +Allentown, PA 18103 LET'S GO FLYERS! +alux1!jmd \ \ +jmd@aluxpo.att.com \ \__________ + \____/_//__/ + +",10 +3196,"From: sp1henhj@edit (Henrik Balthazar Hjort) +Subject: PostScript on X-terminal +Lines: 15 +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 + + + I have a problem when I'm using PostScript. When I am working local +on a SUN SPARCstaton IPC the PostScript works good, but when I connect +to the SUN from a X-terminal I just get error messages that the +PostScript cannot connect to the news-display. + + Why doesn't PostScript work on an X-terminal? + + Is there any way to make it work? + + + Henrik ""Henrik Hjort"" Hjort + + + +",5 +1203,"From: bishop@baeyer.chem.fsu.edu (Greg Bishop) +Subject: Re: Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor +Organization: Physics Department, FSU +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS +Reply-To: bishop@baeyer.chem.fsu.edu +Lines: 26 + +>In article <1993Apr15.204845.24939@nlm.nih.gov> dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes: +>> +>>Anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the Diamond 1024x768x256 driver? +>>Sorry, don't know the version of the driver (no indication in the menus) but it's a recently +>>delivered Gateway system. Am going to try the latest drivers from Diamond BBS but wondered +>>if anyone else had seen this. +>> + +>As a followup, this is a co-worker's machine. He has the latest 2.03 drivers. +>It only happens using the 1024x768x256 driver. Sometimes it takes a minute +>or so for the cursor to wig out, but it eventually does in this mode. I +>susect something is stepping on memory the video card wants. I excluded +>a000-c7ff in the EMM386 line and in system.ini The problem persisted. +>Perhaps it is something specific to the Gateway machine or it's components. +>It is a 66mhz DX/2 Eisa bus with an Ultrastore (24xx?) controller. Ah well, +>I was hoping this was some kind of 'known problem' or somebody had seen it +>before. Perhaps a call to Gateway is in order, but I do find folks here +>usually are far more in the know. + +I use the Diamond SpeedStar 24X in 1024X768X256 mode all of the time. I +have NOT found distortions in the cursor. The cursor is a little jumpy +from time to time (due to 32 bit access to the swap file), but it is never +distorted. + +Greg Bishop. (bishop@baeyer.chem.fsu.edu) + +",2 +1141,"From: jroberts@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Robertson) +Subject: ATI ultra pro Drivers? +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 4 + +Does anybody know the FTP site with the latest Windows drivers for the ATI +GUP? +Thanks + +",2 +4763,"From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) +Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox? +Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO +Lines: 21 + +In article <5227@unisql.UUCP> ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes: +> +>Can someone tell me what a deltabox frame is, and what relation that has, +>if any, to the frame on my Hawk GT? That way, next time some guy comes up +>to me in some parking lot and sez ""hey, dude, nice bike, is that a deltabox +>frame on there?"" I can say something besides ""duh, er, huh?"" + + Deltabox (tm) is a registered trademark of Yamaha, used to describe +their aluminum perimeter frame design, used on the FZR400 and FZR1000. +In cross-section, it has a five-sided appearance, so it probably really +should be called a ""Pentabox"". + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +| Dave Tharp | DoD #0751 | ""You can't wear out | +| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM | MRA #151 | an Indian Scout, | +| '88 K75S '48 Indian Chief | AHRMA #751 | Or its brother the Chief.| +| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751) | AMA #524737 | They're built like rocks | +| '65 R50/2/Velorex '57 NSU Max | | to take the knocks, | +| 1936 BMW R12 | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that | +| My employer has no idea. | Joiner) | give you grief."" | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +",8 +11048,"From: alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard) +Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! +Organization: Tweek-Com Systems BBS, Moraga, CA (510) 631-0615 +Lines: 32 + +alamut@netcom.com (Max Delysid (y!)) writes: + +> In article <1qppef$i5b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony +> > +> > Name just three *really* competing Rosicrucian Orders. I have +> >probably spent more time than you doing the same. +> > +> > None of them are spin-offs from O.T.O. The opposite may be the +> >case. +> +> Can we assume from this statement that you are >unequivocally< saying that +> AMORC is not a spin off of OTO? .. and that in fact, OTO may well be a spin +> off of AMORC?? +> i would be quite interested in hearing what evidence you have to support this +> claim. +> +> + +Well, there is a fair amount of evidence floating around that indicates +that OTO has been around since at least the late 1800s, long before +Crowley ever heard of it, how long has AMORC been around? (yes, I know +that they claim to have existed as an organization clear into prehistory, +but I doubt that they have any organizational paperwork +as a non-profit that can be carbon-dated to 20,000 BC) + A.Lizard + +------------------------------------------------------------------- +A.Lizard Internet Addresses: +alizard%tweekco%boo@PacBell.COM (preferred) +PacBell.COM!boo!tweekco!alizard (bang path for above) +alizard@gentoo.com (backup) +PGP2.2 public key available on request +",19 +990,"From: MCAVALCANTI%VORTEX.UFRGS.BR@UICVM.UIC.EDU +Subject: DTP +Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway +Lines: 3 +NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu + +Please Ineed information about desk top publishe- post graduate courses +and if possible email address or normal mail. +thanks in advance +",1 +2308,"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) +Subject: Re: QUESTION: 1024 x 768 on Quadra 800 +Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu +Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH +Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for. +Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info +Lines: 15 + +lecates@bach.udel.edu (Roy LeCates) writes: + +>In article <1993Apr5.015844.9491@pcnntp.apple.com> Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams) writes: +>>> Does anyone have information on acheiving 1024 x 768 resolution on a Q800 +>>> using interanl video? Is this even possible? +>> +>>It's most certainly possible. + +>Is it possible to use this resolution on the Apple 16"" monitor? +>If so, I could probably rig a connector with the proper pins. + + Nope. The Apple 16"" monitor does not support multiple resolutions. +It is not a multi-synching monitor. + +-Hades +",4 +8756,"From: robink@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Robin Kenny) +Subject: Re: Boom! Whoosh...... +Organization: HP Australasian Response Centre (Melbourne) +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5] +Lines: 26 + +David Fuzzy Wells (wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote: + +: I love the idea of an inflatable 1-mile long sign.... It will be a +: really neat thing to see it explode when a bolt (or even better, a +: Westford Needle!) comes crashing into it at 10 clicks a sec. + +: Whooooooooshhhhhh...... + +: + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + +Just a thought... (let's pretend it IS INFLATED and PRESSURIZED) wouldn't +there be a large static electricity build up around the puncture? +If the metalization is behind a clear sandwich (ie. insulated) then the +deflating balloon would generate electrical interference - ""noise"" + +By the way, any serious high velocity impact would simply cut a ""Bugs +Bunny"" hole through the wall, highly unlikely to ""BOOM"", and the fabric +would almost certainly be ripstop. + + +Regards, Robin Kenny - a private and personal opinion, not in any way + endorsed, authorised or known by my employers. + ______________________________________________________________________ + What the heck would I know about Space? I'm stuck at the + bottom of this huge gravity well! +",14 +659,"Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center +From: +Subject: Re: Sphere from 4 points? +Distribution: world +Lines: 21 + + +> From: bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson) + +> Given 4 points (non coplanar), how does one find the sphere, that is, +> cnter and radius, exactly fitting those points? + +The equation of the sphere through the 4 points (x1,y1,z1),...,(x4,y4,z4) is + | x^2+y^2+z^2 x1^2+y1^2+z1^2 ... x4^2+y4^2+z4^2 | + | x x1 ... x4 | + | y y1 ... y4 | = 0 + | z z1 ... z4 | + | 1 1 ... 1 | +When this 5 by 5 determininant is expanded on its first column you get the +equation in the form + A(x^2+y^2+z^2) + Bx + Cy + Dz + E = 0 +If you need the center and radius, jyst divide through by A (it cannot be +zero if the 4 given points form a non-degenerate tetrahedron) and complete +the square on x, y, and z to obtain + (x-xc)^2 + (y-yc)^2 + (z-zc)^2 = r^2 + +rcb@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu (Bob Beach) +",1 +3922,"Subject: USR 16.8k HST External Mo +From: herbert.wottle@cccbbs.UUCP (Herbert Wottle) +Reply-To: herbert.wottle@cccbbs.UUCP (Herbert Wottle) +Distribution: world +Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-1055 +Lines: 13 + +For Sale --- + + U.S.Robotics 16.8k HST external modem, including power adapter, + Users Guide and Quick-Reference Card. + + $515.00. + + Call me voice at (513) 831-0162 -- let's talk about it. + + Herb... +--- + . QMPro 1.02 42-0616 . Dogs come when you call. Cats have answering machines. + +",6 +11221,"From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) +Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is +Organization: Sun +Lines: 82 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hernes-sun + +In article <1qkj31$4c6@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: +>In article emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) writes: +>#In article <1qjahh$mrs@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: +>#>Science (""the real world"") has its basis in values, not the other way round, +>#>as you would wish it. If there is no such thing as objective value, then +>#>science can not objectively be said to be more useful than a kick in the head. +>#>Simple theories with accurate predictions could not objectively be said +>#>to be more useful than a set of tarot cards. You like those conclusions? +>#>I don't. + +>#I think that you are changing the meaning of ""values"" here. Perhaps +>#it is time to backtrack and take a look at the word. + +>#value n. 1. A fair equivalent or return for something, such as goods +>#or service. 2. Monetary or material worth. 3. Worth as measured in +>#usefulness or importance; merit. 4. A principle, standard, or quality +>#considered inherently worthwhile or desirable. 5. Precise meaning, as +>#of a word. 6. An assigned or calculated numerical quantity. 7. Mus. +>#The relative duratation of a tone or rest. 8. The relative darkness or +>#lightness of a color. 9. The distinctive quality of a speech or speech +>#sound. + +>#In context of a moral system, definition four seems to fit best. In terms +>#of scientific usage, definitions six or eight might apply. Note that +>#these definitions do not mean the same thing. + +>No, I'm using definition (3), or perhaps (4) in both cases. If there +>is no objective worth, usefulness, or importance then science has no +>objective worth, usefulness, or importance. If nothing is inherently +>worthwhile or desirable, then simple theories with accurate predictions +>are not inherently worthwhile or desirable. Do you see any flaws in this? + +The problem is, your use of the word ""objective"" along with ""values."" +Both definitions three and four are inherently subjective, that is +they are particular to a given individual, or personal. You see, +what one person may see as worthwhile, another may see as worthless. + +>If on the other hand, some things *have* objective worth, usefulness, +>or importance, it would be interesting to know what they are. + +Again, your form of measurement in this sentence, that being of ""worth"" +is subjective. + +>#If you can provide an objective foundation for ""morality"" then that will +>#be a good beginning. + +>I'm not willing to attempt this until someone provides an objective +>basis for the notion that science is useful, worthy, or important in +>dealing with observed facts. Alternatively, you could try to +>demonstrate to me that science is not necessarily useful, worthy +>or important in any situation. In other words, I need to know +>how you use the term ""objective"". + +When I find that my usage of a word is different than the usage of +that word given by another person, I try to find a standard against +which to judge that usage. In most cases, the dictionary is the standard +I use. Here is a definiton of objective: + +objective ADJ. 1. Of or having to do with a material object as +distinguished from a mental concept. 2. Having actual existance. +3.a. Unenfluenced by emotion or personal prejudice. b. Based on +observable phenomenon. + +By this definition, science does not have an objective worth, since the +phrase ""objective worth"" is an oxymoron. However you asked something a +little differently this time, you asked for an objective basis for a +notion. The fact that the use of science as an intellectual tool is +responsible for changes in our world (the changes are material, and +thus ""objective"") would provide an objective _basis_ for an argument. +However, the conclusion arrived at from that argument (that science is +""good"") is subjective. + +I think that the problem here is one of word usage. Take a little time +and read the definitions of these words: objective, subjective, worth, +value, morality, good, evil. I believe that if you think about the +meaning of them for a while, you will have to conclude that there is no +such thing as an objective morality. + +>Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That' +>odwyer@sse.ie from ""Hens"", by Evelyn Conlon + +eric +",19 +8255,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) +Subject: Re: nuclear waste +Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA +Lines: 45 +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net + +In article <1993Apr6.125608.7506@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: +|In <1993Apr2.150038.2521@cs.rochester.edu> dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes: +|>> +|>>Paul, quite frankly I'll believe that this is really going to work on +|>>the typical trash one needs to process when I see them put a couple +|>>tons in one end and get (relatively) clean material out the other end, +|>>plus be able to run it off its own residual power. Sounds almost like +|>>perpetual motion, doesn't it? +| +|I will believe that this process comes even close to approaching +|technological and economic feasibility (given the mixed nature of the +|trash that will have to be run through it as opposed to the costs of +|separating things first and having a different 'run' for each +|actinide) when I see them dump a few tons in one end and pull +|(relatively) clean material out the other. Once the costs, +|technological risks, etc., are taken into account I still class this +|one with the idea of throwing waste into the sun. Sure, it's possible +|and the physics are well understood, but is it really a reasonable +|approach? +| + +How is it ever going to be an Off- the Shelf Technology if someone doesn't +do it? Maybe we should do this as part of the SSF design goals. ;-) + +Gee fred. After your bitter defense of 20 KHz power as a Basic technology +for SSF, Id think you would support a minor research program like this. + +And does anyone who knows more Particle physics then me, know if the IPNS +could Prove this technology? + +| +|>The real reason why accelerator breeders or incinerators are not being +|>built is that there isn't any reason to do so. Natural uranium is +|>still too cheap, and geological disposal of actinides looks +|>technically reasonable. +| + +It may also help there is political gridlock on the entire +nuclear technical agenda. There were big political opponenents to +Fast Breeder Technologies. WIPP is being fought to death in Courts. +Even if you could make a nuclear incinerator, do you really think +even Deaf SMith County Nevada would accept it? NIMBY'ism rules +nuclear power concerns. Only the medical community has been +able to overrule nuclear technology opposition. + +",14 +9791,"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) +Subject: Re: The Right To Keep And Bear Arms (was: Re: Who's next?...) +Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA +Lines: 28 + +mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) writes: + +>st922957@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes: + +>:Just because someting was good once, does not mean it will be forever. + +>Yes, gone are the days when you can leave your house unlocked at night. +>Well, it couldn't last forever. + + For the record, it wasn't until I came to college (excluding +the times I went to Omaha or Council Bluffs for something) that I +ever removed the keys from the ignition of my car! Come to think of +it, it was only after I moved to Ames, Ia (pop 45K) that I ever took +to locking my doors at night. + + I've discovered that $50K/year isn't worth living in fear +all day. I might just move back to the farm. + + This weekend is Veishea. You know, when ISU students riot +for no apparent reason. This year, we've the Farm Aid concert +to add to the festivities. Anybody bet me there's another riot? +Remember, Iowa law has three guys talking loud defined as a riot. +Stay tuned for an on-the-scene report this weekend. + +< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > +< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > +< USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > +< unusual people. And flame them. > +",16 +2428,"From: patrickd@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lazer) +Subject: 68040 Specs. +Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute +Lines: 18 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu + +I'd appreciate it greatly if someone could E-mail me the following: +(if you only know one, that's fine) +1) Specs for the 68040 (esp. how it compares to the Pentium) +2) Specs for the 68060 with estimated cost, release date, etc... + +I'm interested in speeds, systems it can run (Windows NT, RISC, or whatever), +costs, bus info, register info. All the technical info. + +I am hoping that the 68040 can win yet another battle against the intel people. + +:) Thanks for any info you can give. + +Thanks. +-- +-Lazer (Patrick Delahanty) |WARNING!: MST3K & Star Trek fan, Macintosh user, +InterNet: patrickd@wpi.wpi.edu| and Co-sysop of L/A Blues BBS! + lazer@lablues.UUCP | Call L/A Blues BBS (207-777-3465 or 777-7782) + * MACINTOSH USER * | for Macintosh & MS-DOS files & *FREE USENET*! +",4 +1143,"From: kentiler@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Kent P. Iler) +Subject: Procomm Plus for windows problems.... +Organization: Kansas State University +Lines: 10 +NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu + +Hi, + I have normal procomm plus for dos, but I've been considering buying +the windows version....it got really great reviews in computer shopper. +I have a friend who connects to the mainframe and unix machines here +using it, but the screen seems to have a problem keeping up with the +modem....he has a 14,400 modem on a 486 50 Mhz machine. I can't +see it having trouble keeping up. His pcplus for dos works great, +but the windows just seems to always screw up....Is this common +and is there a fix? Or is something just screwed with his machine? + Kent +",2 +10143,"From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) +Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! +Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu +Nntp-Posting-Host: parry.lance.colostate.edu +Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University +Lines: 101 + +In article , shaig@composer.think.com (Shai Guday) writes: + +|> [snip] +|> imagine ???? It is NOT a ""terrorist camp"" as you and the Israelis like +|> to view the villages they are small communities with kids playing soccer +|> in the streets, women preparing lunch, men playing cards, etc..... +|> +|> I would not argue that all or even most of the villages are ""terrorist +|> camps"". There are however some which come very close to serving that +|> purpose and that is not to say that other did not function in that way +|> prior to the invasion. + +The village I described was actually the closest I could come to +describing mine. I agree there may be other villages where the civilian +population has deserted because it is too close to Israeli lines and +thus gets bombed more often. In such villages often the only remaining +inhabitants are guerillas and some elderly who have nowhere else to go. +But for the most part the typical South Lebanon village is more like +mine. One where civilians and guerillas live together. They are +often inhabiting the same house. Many families are large, some +have members of the families involved in Hizollah, most others +are not. That is what is so hard of South Lebanon, Israel is +not fighting an army with well drawn battle lines, but a guerilla +tyoe resistance which by definition and necessity blends with +the local populace. Not because they are evil cowards that +use women and children as shields, but because that is the only +way one can fight a more powerful better equipped occupying army. + +|> Some of the villages, and yours might well be among them, are as you +|> describe. Not all are. There are a large number of groups in the area, +|> backed by various organizations, with a wide range of purposes. Hizbollah +|> and Amal were two of the larger ones and may still be. + +Hizbollah and Amal are now the main two militias. Though +Hizbollah people tend to be more committed to resistrance +operation and better motivated by religious conviction. + + As to retaliation, +|> while mistakes may be made, that is still a far cry from indiscriminate +|> bombing, which would have produced major casualties. + +It may be a mixture of what we both say. Sometimes Israel chooses +its targets carefully. At other times it just sends its pilots on +sorties aimed at a town in general since it only knows that the +attackers came from that specific village but has no further +intelligence. On several occasions Israel retalliated against +civilian refugee camps, even in North Lebanon, just to show +that it will not sit idly after its soldiers have been attacked. +Most of the time it directs the SLA to do the dirty work and +indiscriminately shell some Lebanese villages on the other side. +I have experienced this shelling myself on several occasions, +this is why the SLA militia is sometimes even more despised than +Israeli troops. + +| +|> Well, here we disagree. I think that Israel would willingly withdraw if +|> the Lebanese gov't was able to field a reliable force in the area to police +|> it and prevent further attacks. + +I hope you are right on Israeli willingness to withdraw, but I still +contend that withdrawal would be the better course for Israel's +security, since it would reduce its military losses, and I claim +that the Lebanese and Syrian gov'ts would be able to prevent any +further attacks on Northern Israel. + + +|> There seems to be very little incentive for the Syrian and Lebanese +|> goovernment to allow Hizbollah to bomb Israel proper under such +|> circumstances, and now the Lebanese government has proven that it is +|> capable of controlling and disarming all militias as they did +|> in all other parts of Lebanon. +|> +|> No, the Syrian gov't is more than happy to have Israel sink into another +|> Lebanese morass. I could elaborate if necessary. + +Hmm... Here we disagree on what serves Syria interests better. +I think Syria wants to have Lebanon all to itself. It would +be willing to guarantee Northern Israel's security in return for +Israeli withdrawal. I don't think Syria wants Israel to be +involved in its protectorate of Lebanon. Syria is sitting at the +negotiating table because it has come to accept that and wants +to get a political resolution. A renewal of hostilities +along the Lebanese front could put the whole ME peace negotiations +back in question. + + +|> I agree, only in the case of the Isareli soldiers their killing +|> CANNOT be qualified as murder, no matter what you say. +|> +|> No, but it is regretable, as is the whole situation. + + +I agree that the loss of any human life is deplorable and regrettable. + +|> -- +|> Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, +|> OS Software Engineer | +|> Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. +|> Cambridge, MA | + +Basil +",17 +9319,"From: aaronc@athena.mit.edu (Aaron Bryce Cardenas) +Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians +Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology +Lines: 45 + +news@cbnewsk.att.com writes: +>Arrogance is arrogance. It is not the result of religion, it is the result +>of people knowing or firmly believing in an idea and one's desire to show +>others of one's rightness. I assume that God decided to be judge for our +>sake as much as his own, if we allow him who is kind and merciful be the +>judge, we'll probably be better off than if others judged us or we judged +>ourselves. ^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^ ^^ ^^^^^^ + ^^^^^^^^^ +1 Cor 11:31-32 ""But if we judged ourselves, we would not come under judgment. +When we are judged by the ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ Lord, we are being discipled so +that we will not be condemned with the world."" + +1 Cor 5:3 ""Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. +And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were +present."" ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ + +1 Cor 2:15-16 ""The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he +himself is not ^^^^^^^^^ subject to any man's ^^^ judgement: 'For +who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?' But we have the +mind of Christ."" + +Jude :14-15 ""Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: 'See, +the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge +everyone, and to ^^^^ convict all the ungodly of ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^ all +the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words +ungodly sinners have spoken against him.'"" + +Arrogance is a sin. Although a desire to show others of one's rightness may +be a sign of arrogance in some cases, it may be only a sign that they are +following the Bible in others: + +Jude :22-23 ""Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and +save them; to others show mercy, mixed with ^^^^^^ fear -- hating ^^^^ even +^^^^ the clothing stained by corrupted flesh."" + + +>If I find someone arrogant, I typically don't have anything to do with them. + +I hope you don't find me arrogant, then. This sounds like a bad practice -- +ignoring what certain people say because you perceive them as arrogant. + +James 1:19 ""My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to +listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry,"" + +- Aaron +",15 +2338,"From: rrn@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey) +Subject: PLEEZE HELP ME BUY A MAC! +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 16 +Reply-To: rrn@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey) +NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu + + +Hey everybody: + + I want to buy a mac and I want to get a good price...who doesn't? So, +could anyone out there who has found a really good deal on a Centris 650 +send me the price. I don't want to know where, unless it is mail order or +areound cleveland, Ohio. Also, should I buy now or wait for the Power PC. + +Thanks. +BoB +reply via post or e-mail at rrn@po.cwru.edu +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Robert Novitskey | ""Pursuing women is similar to banging one's head +rrn@po.cwru.edu | against a wall...with less opportunity for reward"" +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +",4 +1887,"From: adykes@jpradley.jpr.com (Al Dykes) +Subject: I need a definition of the SPEC and Dhrystone benchmarks +Organization: Unix in NYC +Distribution: na +Lines: 15 + + +I need definitions of the SPEC and Dhrystone benchmarks. Any background +material would also be welcome. + +If anyoneand email something to me or point me to an anonymous FTP server +I'd appreciate it. + +Thanks. + +Al Dykes +-------- +adykes@jpr.com +adykes@ad.com + + +",3 +4970,"From: gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) +Subject: New to Motorcycles... +Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD +Lines: 39 + +Hello everyone. I'm new to motorcycles so no flames please. I don't +have my bike yet so I need a few pieces of information: + +1) I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have +to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too +ignorant to know I need to buy) + +2) What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance? I turn 18 in +about a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up +till now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a +motorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes +a difference) + +3) Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it? + +4) In DC, as I imagine it is in every other state (OK, OK, we're not a +state - we're not bitter ;)), you take the written test first and then +get a learners permit. However, I'm wondering how one goes about +learning to ride the bike proficiently enough so as to a) get a liscence +and b) not kill oneself. I don't know anyone with a bike who could +teach me, and the most advice I've heard is either ""do you live near a +field"" or ""do you have a friend with a pickup truck"", the answers to both +of which are NO. Do I just ride around my neighborhood and hope for +the best? I kind of live in a residential area but it's not suburbs. +It's still the big city and I'm about a mile from downtown so that +doesn't seem too viable. Any stories on how you all learned? + +Thanks for any replies in advance. + + -Greg Humphreys + :wq + ^^^ + Meant to do that. (Damn autoindent) + +-- +Greg Humphreys | ""This must be Thursday. I never +National Institutes of Health| could get the hang of Thursdays."" +gregh@alw.nih.gov | +(301) 402-1817 | -Arthur Dent +",8 +2968,"From: henne@math.ias.EDU (Leslie R. Henne) +Subject: Re: SVR4.x binary dists (was Re: RFD: to create comp.unix.sys5.univel) +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 36 +NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu +To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu +Cc: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu + + +In article <1993Apr15.160635.28022@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, der Mouse wrote: + +> You seem to be a little confused. The socialistic hackers who yell +> about proprietary software are hardly enamored of Motif, which is just +> as objectionable to that mindset as NeWS is. + +> If I might wear my socialistic hacker hat for a moment, I tar NeWS and +> Motif with the same brush, and that brush is not technical. + +Begging everyone's pardon, I was not slamming Motif, nor was I necessarily +plugging/flaming the two. I was responding to the sweet blithe statement in: + from rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson) + +rick> This is one area where Microsoft NT has a big advantage. Since +rick> they control the whole show, there are no issues like this where +rick> licensees create incompatible defacto standards. + +This happy statement shows a mindset that inventors and companies have when +they are pleased with something that works, and they believe that others will +also be happy to use it. I remember when _SunView_ was hot stuff (and am not, +by that statement, endorsing Sun and its products, this is just my experience), +and when OpenWindows became hot stuff, that was when I started hearing, as +mentioned before, the ""socialistic masses"" that were bent on destroying +_anything_ that was deemed proprietary, including OpenWindows. I mentioned +Motif in the same breath, because that is what Sun has decided to turn its +attention to, not because I hate it. Mr. Richardson's position, I believe, is +a healthy one, and I am sure that the seething hackers will soon try to +flame and destroy NT, if it ever shows up, wanting instead everything to be +free, and then complaining when there is no organized structure and there are +no de facto standards. + +It was just a vent for frustration brought on by prevailing winds. + +Mrs. Henne + +",5 +5786,"From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) +Subject: Re: Players Rushed to Majors +Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman +Lines: 13 +Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) +NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu + +In article <93122@hydra.gatech.EDU> re4@prism.gatech.EDU (RUSSELL EARNEST) +writes: +> This brings back the long suffering memories of pre-chop Braves fans who +> kept being promised the Bob Horner - Dale Murphy back to back power slam. +> Who could stop that? Guess we'll never know. + +Why not? Horner played 130 games in 1985 and hit 27 HR. +Murphy played 162 and hit 37. +In 1986 Horner hit 27 in 141 games and Murphy hit 29 in 160 games. +(and the Braves lost 96 and 89 games). + +john rickert +rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu +",9 +7054,"From: jmichael@vnet.IBM.COM +Subject: Radar Detector DETECTORS? +Article-I.D.: almaden.19930406.131941.134 +Lines: 3 + + +They detect the oscillator operating in the detector. Saw a story about +their use in Canada. Now don't go putting oscillators in your cars... :-) +",12 +2296,"From: dmaluso@MtHolyoke.edu (Diane Maluso) +Subject: Quadra 800 configurations?? +Article-I.D.: slab.1ps093$f0u +Organization: Mount Holyoke College +Lines: 19 +NNTP-Posting-Host: slab.mtholyoke.edu +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 + + +I've noticed some of you mentioning owning a Quadra 800 8/230 with CD300 +and 1meg of VRAM. It seems that this configuration was purchased +complete; that is, the CD300 and VRAM were already installed in the box. +I am interested in that exact configuration and will be buying with an +educational discount but have not found the CD300 bundled with any Q800 +smaller than the 8/500. +If you bought or know how to buy the 8/230 with CD installed, please let +me know what you know via email: +send messages to dmaluso@mhc.mtholyoke.edu +Thanks, all. +Diane Maluso +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= += Diane Maluso INTERNET: dmaluso@mhc.mtholyoke.edu = += Department of Psychology and Education = += Mount Holyoke College = += South Hadley, MA 01075 = += (413) 538-2107 = +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +",4 +2325,"From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow) +Subject: Re: WARNING! Don't break Powerbook screen +Article-I.D.: clark.1993Apr6.210853.26502 +Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa. USA +Lines: 20 + +In article peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce) writes: +> +>Surprised? Shouldn't be. Protective tarriffs almost always end up +>hurting the U.S. in the long run. Same with subsidies. they way +>to build a strong economy isn't to wall it off from the tough outside +>world, but rather to compete in the global market place (and don't +>come crying when the world doesn't always want to play by our house +>rules). + +Tell that to the Japanese, their local market is neatly protected by +the Japanese government. Its one very tough nut to crack. In fact +the only current way to break into it, is to do it with a Japanese +company as a partner in the venture. + +Gary + +-- +----- +Gary Snow +uunet!clark!gsnow or gsnow@clark.edu +",4 +210,"From: chrisb@seachg.com (Chris Blask) +Subject: Re: A silly question on x-tianity +Reply-To: chrisb@seachg.com (Chris Blask) +Organization: Sea Change Corporation, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada +Lines: 44 + +werdna@cco.caltech.edu (Andrew Tong) writes: +>mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) writes: +> +>>Question 2: This attitude god character seems awfully egotistical +>>and proud. But Christianity tells people to be humble. What's the deal? +> +>Well, God pretty much has a right to be ""egotistical and proud."" I +>mean, he created _you_, doesn't he have the right to be proud of such +>a job? +> +>Of course, people don't have much of a right to be proud. What have +>they accomplished that can match God's accomplishments, anyways? How +>do their abilities compare with those of God's. We're an ""imbecile +>worm of the earth,"" to quote Pascal. + +Grumblegrumble... + +>If you were God, and you created a universe, wouldn't you be just a +>little irked if some self-organizing cell globules on a tiny planet +>started thinking they were as great and awesome as you? + +unfortunately the logic falls apart quick: all-perfect > insulted or +threatened by the actions of a lesser creature > actually by offspring > +??????????????????? + +How/why shuold any all-powerful all-perfect feel either proud or offended? +Anything capable of being aware of the relationship of every aspect of every +particle in the universe during every moment of time simultaneously should +be able to understand the cause of every action of every 'cell globule' on +each tniy planet... + +>Well, actually, now that I think of it, it seems kinda odd that God +>would care at all about the Earth. OK, so it was a bad example. But +>the amazing fact is that He does care, apparently, and that he was +>willing to make some grand sacrifices to ensure our happiness. + +""All-powerful, Owner Of Everything in the Universe Makes Great Sacrifices"" +makes a great headline but it doesn't make any sense. What did he +sacrifice? Where did it go that he couldn't get it back? If he gave +something up, who'd he give it up to? + +-chris + +[you guys have fun, I'm agoin' to Key West!!] +",0 +8845,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) +Subject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Standard? +Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens +Lines: 31 + +(MODERATOR: THIS IS A REPLACEMENT FOR AN EARLIER, MORE CLUMSILY WORDED +SUBMISSION ON THE SAME TOPIC WHICH I SUBMITTED A FEW MINUTES AGO.) + +I think we need to distinguish etymology from meaning. Regardless of +how the word 'Easter' *originated*, the fact is that it does not *now* +mean anything to Christians other than 'the feast day of the Resurrection +of Jesus Christ'. + +The meaning of a word is _only_ what people understand it to mean. + +And the same goes for other cultural practices. The festival of Easter +may possibly have some historical association with some pagan festival, +but *today* there are, as far as I know, no Christians who *intend* to +honor any kind of ""pagan goddess"" by celebrating Easter. + +It is nonsense to say ""this word (or this practice) 'really' means so- +and-so even though nobody realizes it."" Words and practices don't mean +things, people do. + +(This is basic semantics; I'm a linguist; they pay me to think about +things like this.) +-- +:- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** +:- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* +:- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * +:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< + +[Further, Easter is specific to English. In many other languages, +the word used is based on Passover or resurrection. Is it OK to +celebrate it in countries using those languages, but not in those +using English? --clh] +",15 +8571,"From: rouben@math9.math.umbc.edu (Rouben Rostamian) +Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times +Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus +Lines: 60 +NNTP-Posting-Host: math9.math.umbc.edu + +In article <1993Apr21.141824.23536@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) writes: +> +>Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used +>to compute sunrise and sunset times. + +Here is a computation I did a long time ago that computes the length +of the daylight. You should be able to convert the information here +to sunrise and sunset times. + +-- +Rouben Rostamian Telephone: 410-455-2458 +Department of Mathematics and Statistics e-mail: +University of Maryland Baltimore County bitnet: rostamian@umbc.bitnet +Baltimore, MD 21228, USA internet: rouben@math.umbc.edu +====================================================================== +Definitions: + +z = the tilt of the axis of the planet away from the normal to its +orbital plane. In case of the Earth z is about 23.5 degrees, I think. +I do not recall the exact value. In case of Uranus, z is almost +90 degrees. + +u = latitude of the location where the length of the day is measured. +Paris is at about 45 degrees. North pole is at 90. + +a = angular position of the planet around the sun. As a goes from +0 to 360 degrees, the planet makes a full circle around the sun. +The spring equinox occurs at a=0. + +L = daylight fraction = (duration of daylight)/(duration of a full day). +On the equator (u=0) L is always 1/2. Near the north pole (u=90 degrees) +L is sometimes one and sometimes zero, depending on the time of the year. + +Computation: +Define the auxiliary angles p and q by: +sin p = sin a sin z +cos q = h ( tan u tan p ), (0 < q < 180 degrees) + +Conclusion: +L = q / 180 (if q is measured in degrees) +L = q / pi (if q is measured in radians) + +Wait! But what is h? +The cutoff function h is defined as follows: + +h (s) = s if |s| < 1 + = 1 if s > 1 + = -1 if s < 1 + +As an interesting exercise, plot L versus a. The graph will shows +how the length of the daylight varies with the time of the year. +Experiment with various choices of latitudes and tilt angles. +Compare the behavior of the function at locations above and below +the arctic circle. + +-- +Rouben Rostamian Telephone: 410-455-2458 +Department of Mathematics and Statistics e-mail: +University of Maryland Baltimore County bitnet: rostamian@umbc.bitnet +Baltimore, MD 21228, USA internet: rouben@math.umbc.edu +",14 +3391,"From: julia@netcom.com (Julia Miller) +Subject: Posix Message Catalogs +Keywords: Posix +Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +Lines: 17 + +Can someone tell me in 25 words or less how to compile posix +message catalogs so that I can use them with catgets, catopen, etc. +I know what the format for the catalogs is, but don't know how +to compile them. + +Please reply to chas@blackwhite.com + +Thanks in advance, + +chas + +Black & White Software, Inc. | Leaders in Systems & Software Solutions +2155 S. Bascom Ave. Suite 210 | Contact Black & White for information on +Campbell, CA 95008 | X Windows & OSF/Motif Software & Support +(408) 369-7400 | OSF/Motif & MS-Windows GUI Builders +(408) 369-7406 | Add on Widgets, Editors and Help Systems +info@blackwhite.com | C++ and Ada Motif Bindings +",5 +9146,"From: mchamberland@violet.uwaterloo.ca (Marc Chamberland) +Subject: Re: God-shaped hole (was Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") +Organization: University of Waterloo +Lines: 17 + +In article , fraseraj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew J Fraser) writes: +> [Several people were involved in trying to figure out who first used +> the phrase ""God-shaped hole"". --clh] +> +> ""There is a God shaped vacuum in all of us"" (or something to that effect) is +> generally attributed to Blaise Pascal. + +I believe this is a just another of way of expressing the basic truth +""All things were created by him and FOR him."" (emphasis mine) +Col. 1:16 , Rev. 4:11. If you and I have been created for God, naturally +there will be a vacuum if God is not our all and all. In fact, +the first chapter of Collosians brings out this status of Christ, that +He should have the preeminence. When you life is alligned with Him, +and you do His will, then the vacuum is filled. + +Marc Chamberland +mchamberland@violet.uwaterloo.ca +",15 +7224,"From: glenne@sr.hp.com (Glenn Elmore) +Subject: Re: Single chip receiver for FSK? +Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID) +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.2] +Lines: 78 + +John Ackermann x 2966 (jra@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM) wrote: +: My next project is to come up with an IF/detector module for fast -- 112 +: to 250 kB/sec -- packet radio use. No fancy modulation scheme, just +: wide FSK for use at 902 or 1296 MHz. + +: I'm a bit familiar with the Motorola 3362 chip, but I wonder if there +: are newer designs that might work at higher input frequencies. + +: My goal is to come up with an inexpensive design for a receiver ""back +: end"" with IF input on one end and an FSK demondulator on the other. I'm +: particularly interested in ways to use a higher IF than 10.7 -- do any +: current chips work up to, say 150MHz with internal downconversion so a +: normal IF filter can be used? + +: Any suggestions? + +: John + + What you describe is very close to what I built and described in the +10th ARRL Computer Network Conference proceedings. + + I built 10 watt FSK transceivers at 904 MHz. They are essentially +double conversion transverters with digital mod and demod at 29 MHz. +The receiver uses the MC13055 which is the same FSK receiver chip I used +previouslyu in the 2 Mbps 10 GHz data link I first published in Ham +Radio and which is now also in the ARRL handbook. + + The MC3356, which includes a VHF converter section, could also be used +at these speeds. There is a newer and perhaps slightly improved design +of this (the MC13056 if I remember rightly). + + While using this would have let me reduce the ""external"" IF count on +receive, it didn't really offer all that much help on transmit so I +didn't bother with it. + + The radios I built were first designed and built for 512 kbps in a 2 +MHz channel but later reduced to half that. These 256 kbps radios +actually have done quite well in across-the-bench tests at 384 kbps and +speed is pretty much a function of filter design. Handling the data +stream is another matter entirely. + + Some of the existing radios are currently deployed on hilltops in a +""beacon"" test mode. While there is not yet end-end two-way data flow +due to lack of resources to debug software for the digital hardware (MIO +also shown in the CNC proceedings), data is perfect copy at n6gn. Even +though the data clock is currently at about half speed, the a 2+ kbytes +of the test text (chapter 55 of Isaiah) takes only a little over 1/8 of +a second. + + I've been hoping that someone would get interested enough to step in +and get involved in writing code to make the whole thing usable (Borland +IDE environment with remote debugging possible as mentioned in the +proceedings) but to date a couple of us have been on our own and running +low on resources of time, money and energy. + + If anyone in the SF bay area wants to check it out there is also a CW +ID after the text on the mark side at 904.740 MHz from beacons on Sonoma +Mtn and Black Mtn (overlooking Si valley). The antenna is horizontally +polarized. + + I guess in retrospect my suggestions are that this is a fairly costly +approach if the radios are intended for users rather than backbones and +you might want to carefully consider your ""target"". If you can't +arrange your paths such that you have complete line-of-sight I think +you'll want to address the inter-symbol-interference caused by +multipath and probably link C/N budgets if paths are very far from LOS. +For more details, see the 10th CNC. I'm currently working on a spread +spectrum, direct conversion design to address some of these problems. +I'd be glad to help as I can with any design problems. + +73 +Glenn Elmore n6gn + +N6GN @ K3MC +amateur IP: glenn@SantaRosa.ampr.org +Internet: glenne@sr.hp.com + + +",12 +1060,"From: stusoft@hardy.u.washington.edu (Stuart Denman) +Subject: Re: 3D2 files - what are they? +Article-I.D.: shelley.1rft1nINNc7s +Organization: University of Washington +Lines: 16 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu + +doug@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Doug Parsons) writes: + +>I was chaining around in the anonymous ftp world looking for 3D Studio +>meshes and other interesting graphical stuff for the program, and found +>a few files with the extension 3D2. My 3DS v2.01 doesn't know this type +>of file, so what are they? + +They are 3D object files for CAD 3D 2.0, a program written by Tom Hudson +for the Atari ST computers. Don't know much more about them except that +they are stored with the points first, then the surfaces are next, and are +made by listing 3 point numbers that make up the triangle surface. Then +there's a header that describes coloring, lighting, etc. Don't know much +more than this, hope this helps. + +Stuart Denman +stusoft@u.washington.edu +",1 +10565,"From: rcollins@encore.com (Roger Collins) +Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians +Organization: Encore Computer Corporation +Nntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com +Lines: 116 + +julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes: +>In article rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) writes: +>>julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes: +>>|> Don't look at me. I want to send aid to Russia. Many other +>>|> conservatives do as well. +>>|> +>>Yes, it was Nixon who was most vocal about giving money to Russia. It +>>makes me proud to be a libertarian. It appears both conservatives and +>>liberals prefer to cold war until you win, then nurse the enemy back to +>>health for another go around. + +>Enemy? Sounds like that's the viewpoint of the stereotypical rednecked +>conservative -- 'always been commies, always will be.' + +OK, I should have said ""former"" enemy. I was being sarcastic about what +interventionists want to do. + +>I suggest you +>listen very carefully to the stuff Yeltsin and his people are saying +>and compare that with the very anti-West slogans coming from his +>opponents in the Russian congress. I sure know who I want to back. + +Could we back him without forcing others to back him at the point of a +gun? + +Have you considered a non-interventionist policy? If market reform does +happen, Russia will certainly get *private* capital at *private* risk to +help their economy. They will even have incentive to do so for the same +reason. If they don't reform, then our government will probably +consider them enemies anyway and rather spend money to hurt rather than help +them. + +Then their's the ideological point. We want to ""win"" Russia over to +our type of government -- a type where the rulers can rule without limit +over everyone's finances? + +>>It's like subsidizing the wealthy countries (Japan, Germany, etc.) with +>>free defense, and then trade-warring with them because of the economic +>>competition. It's like subsidizing tobacco farmers while paying +>>bureaucrats to pursuade people not to smoke. + +>Better to let them degenerate into civil war? Remember all those +>nuclear weapons in Russia. I cannot imagine that they would not +>be used in a civil war. If nationialists take over and, even if +>they prevent a civil war, most feel they must take back large +>parts of land that are in other countries (like Ukraine.) I also cannot +>imagine Ukraine giving up land without a fight, possibly nuclear. + +>How does this affect us? Well, we are on the same planet and if +>vast tracks of Europe are blown away I think we'd feel something. +>A massive breakup of a country that spans 1/6th the planet is +>bound to have affects here. (Of course, there is also the +>humanitarian argument that democracies should help other +>democracies (or struggling democracies).) + +If a $1.6 billion gift was that important to our well being, couldn't it +be raised voluntarilly? People already give over $100 billion a year to +charity. + +>> +>>I ask myself, what law could we pass to prevent government from doing +>>stupid, frivilous things with OUR money? Then I think, the Constitution +>>was supposed to do that. Could someone please tell me what legitimate +>>constitutional power the federal government is using when it takes money +>>from my paycheck and gives it to needy countries? Seriously. + +>Seriously. Everyone has different opinions on what is stupid. +>My two ""causes"" are aid to Russia and a strong space program. +>Someone else will champion welfare or education or doing studies +>of drunken goldfish. That is why we have a republic and not a +>true democracy. Instead of gridlock on a massive scale, we +>only have gridlock on a congressional scale. + +It seems instead of gridlock on any scale, we have aid to Russia, +expensive space programs, national charity that doesn't help the poor, +and probably, studies of drunken goldfish. I think *limited* government +is more key than how democratic it is. + +>BTW, who is to decide 'stupid?' This is just like those who +>want to impose their 'morals' on others -- just the sort of +>thing I thought Libertarians were against. + +That was an opinion, and libertarians are very big on free speech. + +>Actually, my politics are pretty Libertarian except on this one issue +>and this is why it is impossible for me to join the party. It seems +>that Libertarians want to withdraw from the rest of the world and +>let it sink or swim. + +If you are pretty libertarian except on this one issue then you should +be VERY libertarian. Consider it a compromise. How much money would +your fellow Russia-aiders have to give to Russia if those you oppose +weren't using the same government machine to steal money from you +and your group for causes you don't support? + +>We could do that 100 years ago but not now. + +People have been saying that for hundreds of years. + +>Like it or not we are in the beginnings of a global economy and +>global decision making. + +All the more reason to depend on the free market which can more +efficiently process information, than to depend on rulers for decisions +on complex issues. + +>Julie +>DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else + +Roger Collins + +Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government +of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? +Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let +history answer this question. + -- Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address +",18 +4693,"From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) +Subject: Re: Why mod a ZX-11? (was ZX-11 #4 cylinder running HOT,) +Nntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca +Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada +Lines: 44 + +In <1993Apr1.212334.14870@exu.ericsson.se> lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos) writes: + +>In article <1993Apr1.173354.14424@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: +>> + +>Power? hmmmmmm, well I haven't got it on the dyno or jetted. (waiting for the snow +>to melt) Although I have a Factory jet kit + 4' advance,(jets are 145s, the stock +>is 140, my book says 130 Calif.-> 150 UK, strange?), I don't want to fit it unless +>there is a dyno handy. + + I've heard that bikes tuned to perfection on the Dyno can be a little +too close to the edge for street use. Cold morning, bad gas, etc. + + Apparently they back them of some even for track use. + + You pays your money ... + +__ + Jorg Klinger | GSXR1100 | If you only new who + Arch. & Eng. Services |""Lost Horizons"" CR500 | I think I am. + UManitoba, Man. Ca. |""The Embalmer"" IT175 | - anonymous + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +>-- +>Stamos ZZR11 Ellas +>Ericsson, Cellular Design +>Montreal, Canada. +",8 +6387,"Organization: Penn State University +From: Robbie Po +Subject: Re: Goodbye, good riddance, get lost 'Stars +Lines: 22 + +In article , s4lawren@sms.business.uwo.ca +(Stephen Lawrence) says: +> Goodbye Minnesota,...you never earned the right to have an NHL +>franchise in the first place! +> Hope you enjoy your Twin city wide mania for HIGH SCHOOL HOCKEY +>(hey, by the way my old pee wee team is having a reunion in Regina, care +>to come up and film the event?) +> Yee haa Golden Gophers +>Whatta weird town!!!!! + --Minnesota definitely deserves an NHL franchise!!! You'll see the +Minnesota Whalers pretty soon, so fear not Minnesota fans. No Norm Green, +'cept for the team color (sorry, bad pun!) + + --What a difference two years makes! Minnesota finished 29-37-14 in 1992 +and made the finals. They finish with a better record at 38-38-10 thi year +and move to Dallas. Every team in the playoffs has a winning record!!! +Finally!!! It's about time, NHL!!! +------------------------------------------------------------------------- +** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! ""It won't be easy, but it +Contact for the '93-'94 '91 STANLEY CUP will have greater rewards. +Penn State Lady Lions '92 CHAMPIONS Mountains and Valleys are +rap115@psuvm.psu.edu 11 STRAIGHT WINS! better than nothing at all!"" +",10 +5956,"From: jae2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Jason Ehas) +Subject: Re: Giveaways +Organization: Home of 1984 NCAA hockey champs +Lines: 43 + +In article <1qi44l$kqr@access.digex.net>, steveg@cadkey.com (Steve +Gallichio) wrote: +> +> +> John P. Curcio (jpc@philabs.philips.com) responded to my drivel: +> +> >steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) writes: +> > +> >>I still am surprised that no one has tried giving away the goodies at the end +> >>of the game. The two problems with that, of course, are that you would want +> >>to make sure the first people in the building would be assured of getting +> >>them (probably redeemable vouchers), and that the building managers want to +> >>avoid at all costs delaying people as they leave the building, if, for +> >>instance, the goodies are given to people as they exit. +> > +> >I went to the New Jersey Devils/Carvel Ice Cream Puck Night (tm) last year to +> >see the beloved Bruins play. The pucks were given out at the end of the game. +> >I could just imagine what would have happened late in the third if the Bruins +> >were winning.... +> +> It figures, after I posted the first article, I found out that the Whalers are +> going to be using coupons for the the giveaway on Friday Night. I believe that +> is is the ""Some Big Corporation (Probably a Bank) Flying Disk Night."" I think +> that we could all see the potential for danger here... +> +> >|> All in all, I have seen a whole bunch of giveaways land on the ice, and it +> >|> never ceases to amuse me. I'm just thankful for the players that no one has +> >|> yet to sponsor 'Lead Pipe Night' at any arenas... +> > +> >That's probably because they couldn't find anyone to sponser it... Maybe USS +> >could sponser the Pittsburgh Penguins/US Steel Steel Rod Night-- close enough? +> +> Naah, it'd probably bounce off of Jay Caufield. +> +> -SG + +I was at a Cincinnati Cyclones game a year ago when the local country +station sponsored a kazoo giveaway. After a particularly bad call by the +underexperienced ECHL ref, it was Kazoostorm time down on the ice. I +thought this was a pathetic display by the fans, but they were rightfully +unhappy. + +Jason +",10 +375,"From: spbach@lerc.nasa.gov (James Felder) +Subject: Re: ""So help you God"" in court? +Organization: NASA Lewis Resaerch Center +Lines: 35 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: spbach@lerc.nasa.gov +NNTP-Posting-Host: hopper3.lerc.nasa.gov + +In article 013423TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu, Andrew Newell writes: +->In article <1993Apr9.151914.1885@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu +->(Mark McCullough) says: +->> +->>In article monack@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (david +->>n->>monack) writes: +->>>Another issue is that by having to request to not be required to +->>>recite the ""so help me God"" part of the oath, a theistic jury may be +->>>prejudiced against your testimony even though atheism is probably not +->>>at all relevant to the case. +->>> +->>>What is the recommended procedure for requesting an alternate oath or +->>>affirmation? +->>> +->>>Dave + +Sorry for using a follow-up to respond, but my server dropped about a weeks worth of news +when it couldn't keep up. + +When the you are asked to swear ""So help you god"" and you have to say it, ask which one; Jesus, +Allah, Vishnu, Zues, Odin. Get them to be specific. Don't be obnoxious, just humbly ask, then +quitely sit back and watch the fun. + +--- + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +James L. Felder | +Sverdrup Technology,Inc. | phone: 216-891-4019 +NASA Lewis Research Center | +Cleveland, Ohio 44135 | email: jfelder@lerc.nasa.gov +""Some people drink from the fountain of knowledge, other people gargle"" +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + + +",0 +9669,"From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone) +Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! +Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu +Organization: The Group W Bench +Lines: 22 + + +In <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> 34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET writes: + +>I will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors, +>but here goes: + +Fret not, you made it. + +>I have predicted this from the start, but God, it sickens me to see +>it happen. I had hoped I was wrong. I had hoped that there was +>still some shred of the America I grew up with, and loved, left +>alive. I was wrong. The Nazis have won. + +Not while we still have our guns. + +Hey, gang, it's not about duck hunting, or about dark alleys, +it's about black-clad, helmeted and booted troops storming +houses and violating civil rights under color of law. + +Are YOU ready to defend YOUR Constitution? + +-- Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu) +",16 +3997,"From: RFP@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu (Rebecca Priver) +Subject: Summer Sublet available in Baltimore +Organization: Johns Hopkins University, Homewood Academic Computing +Lines: 18 +NNTP-Posting-Host: jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu + +Large bedroom for rent from June 1-Aug 15 in row house near JHU (Homewood). +No smokers or pets. Share house with 2 or 3 F law students. F professional/ +student wanted. 2 bath,large kitchen - remodeled last summer, hardwood floors, +lr,dr, washer and dryer. Beautiful details. Rent $325 + 1/4 utilities. +Located on bus lines. + +For more info email me : RFP@JHUVM + + + + + + + + + + + +",6 +2,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) +Subject: Re: Gospel Dating +Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany +Lines: 93 + +In article <65974@mimsy.umd.edu> +mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: + +>>Well, John has a quite different, not necessarily more elaborated theology. +>>There is some evidence that he must have known Luke, and that the content +>>of Q was known to him, but not in a 'canonized' form. +> +>This is a new argument to me. Could you elaborate a little? +> + +The argument goes as follows: Q-oid quotes appear in John, but not in +the almost codified way they were in Matthew or Luke. However, they are +considered to be similar enough to point to knowledge of Q as such, and +not an entirely different source. + + +>>Assuming that he knew Luke would obviously put him after Luke, and would +>>give evidence for the latter assumption. +> +>I don't think this follows. If you take the most traditional attributions, +>then Luke might have known John, but John is an elder figure in either case. +>We're talking spans of time here which are well within the range of +>lifetimes. + +We are talking date of texts here, not the age of the authors. The usual +explanation for the time order of Mark, Matthew and Luke does not consider +their respective ages. It says Matthew has read the text of Mark, and Luke +that of Matthew (and probably that of Mark). + +As it is assumed that John knew the content of Luke's text. The evidence +for that is not overwhelming, admittedly. + + +>>>(1) Earlier manuscripts of John have been discovered. +> +>>Interesting, where and which? How are they dated? How old are they? +> +>Unfortunately, I haven't got the info at hand. It was (I think) in the late +>'70s or early '80s, and it was possibly as old as CE 200. +> + +When they are from about 200, why do they shed doubt on the order on +putting John after the rest of the three? + + +>>I don't see your point, it is exactly what James Felder said. They had no +>>first hand knowledge of the events, and it obvious that at least two of them +>>used older texts as the base of their account. And even the association of +>>Luke to Paul or Mark to Peter are not generally accepted. +> +>Well, a genuine letter of Peter would be close enough, wouldn't it? +> + +Sure, an original together with Id card of sender and receiver would be +fine. So what's that supposed to say? Am I missing something? + + +>And I don't think a ""one step removed"" source is that bad. If Luke and Mark +>and Matthew learned their stories directly from diciples, then I really +>cannot believe in the sort of ""big transformation from Jesus to gospel"" that +>some people posit. In news reports, one generally gets no better +>information than this. +> +>And if John IS a diciple, then there's nothing more to be said. +> + +That John was a disciple is not generally accepted. The style and language +together with the theology are usually used as counterargument. + +The argument that John was a disciple relies on the claim in the gospel +of John itself. Is there any other evidence for it? + +One step and one generation removed is bad even in our times. Compare that +to reports of similar events in our century in almost illiterate societies. +Not even to speak off that believers are not necessarily the best sources. + + +>>It is also obvious that Mark has been edited. How old are the oldest +>>manuscripts? To my knowledge (which can be antiquated) the oldest is +>>quite after any of these estimates, and it is not even complete. +> +>The only clear ""editing"" is problem of the ending, and it's basically a +>hopeless mess. The oldest versions give a strong sense of incompleteness, +>to the point where the shortest versions seem to break off in midsentence. +>The most obvious solution is that at some point part of the text was lost. +>The material from verse 9 on is pretty clearly later and seems to represent +>a synopsys of the end of Luke. +> +In other words, one does not know what the original of Mark did look like +and arguments based on Mark are pretty weak. + +But how is that connected to a redating of John? + Benedikt +",0 +3139,"From: bading@cs.tu-berlin.de (Tobias 'Doping' Bading) +Subject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window +Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany +Lines: 30 +NNTP-Posting-Host: athene.cs.tu-berlin.de +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit +In-reply-to: ethan@cs.columbia.edu's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1993 21:25:08 GMT + + +try this after XCreateWindow: +----------------------------- + +#include + +Display display; +Window window; + +{ + XSizeHints *xsizehints = XAllocSizeHints (); + xsizehints->flags = USPosition | USSize; /* or = PPosition | PSize */ + xsizehints->x = 42; + xsizehints->y = 42; + xsizehints->width = 100; + xsizehints->height = 100; + XSetWMNormalHints (display, window, xsizehints); + XFree (xsizehints); +} + +These hints tell the window manager that the position and size of the window +are specified by the users and that the window manager should accept these +values. If you use xsizehints->flags = PPosition | PSize, this tells the window +manager that the values are prefered values of the program, not the user. +I don't know a window manager that doesn't place the window like you prefer if +you specify the position and size like above. + +Greetings from Berlin, + +Tobias (bading@cs.tu-berlin.de) +",5 +3769,"From: jac2y@Virginia.EDU (""Jonathan A. Cook "") +Subject: Re: Classic CDs 4 sale!! +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 7 + +Hey, I can't send mail to you, so.... + +Could you please resend me your address? I lost it (for H. in +Moscow) + +Thanks, +Jon +",6 +3241,"From: mlee@eng.sdsu.edu (Mike Lee) +Subject: Post script viewer +Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services +Lines: 8 +NNTP-Posting-Host: eng.sdsu.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] + +Hello, recently I have been printing out a lot of files on school's laser printer and feeling guilty about it. Please help me by showing me where to get a post script viewer for X-windows. Thank you for your help. + + + + + +A student trying to enhence his cybernatic ability. + +",5 +7922,"From: todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) +Subject: Krillean Photography +Originator: todamhyp@charles.cs.unlv.edu +Organization: University of Nevada at Las Vegas, College of Engineering +Lines: 20 + +I think that's the correct spelling.. + I am looking for any information/supplies that will allow +do-it-yourselfers to take Krillean Pictures. I'm thinking +that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for +sale, but I don't know any of the companies. Any info is greatly +appreciated. + In case you don't know, Krillean Photography, to the best of my +knowledge, involves taking pictures of an (most of the time) organic +object between charged plates. The picture will show energy patterns +or spikes around the object photographed, and depending on what type +of object it is, the spikes or energy patterns will vary. One might +extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object within +the universe (as we know it) has its own energy signature. + + +-- +_D_I_S_C_L_A_I_M_E_R_: I can neither confirm nor deny any opinions +expressed in this article directly reflect my own personal or +political views and furthermore, if they did, I would not be at +liberty to yield such an explanation of these alleged opinions. +",13 +6908,"From: denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu +Subject: REVISED TECHNICAL SUMMARY OF CLIPPER CHIP +Distribution: world +Organization: Georgetown University +Lines: 167 + +Here is a revised version of my summary which corrects some errors +and provides some additional information and explanation. + + + THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY + + Dorothy Denning + + Revised, April 21, 1993 + + +INTRODUCTION + +On April 16, the President announced a new initiative that will bring +together the Federal Government and industry in a voluntary program +to provide secure communications while meeting the legitimate needs of +law enforcement. At the heart of the plan is a new tamper-proof encryption +chip called the ""Clipper Chip"" together with a split-key approach to +escrowing keys. Two escrow agencies are used, and the key parts from +both are needed to reconstruct a key. + + +CHIP CONTENTS + +The Clipper Chip contains a classified single-key 64-bit block +encryption algorithm called ""Skipjack."" The algorithm uses 80 bit keys +(compared with 56 for the DES) and has 32 rounds of scrambling +(compared with 16 for the DES). It supports all 4 DES modes of +operation. The algorithm takes 32 clock ticks, and in Electronic +Codebook (ECB) mode runs at 12 Mbits per second. + +Each chip includes the following components: + + the Skipjack encryption algorithm + F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips + N, a 30-bit serial number (this length is subject to change) + U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip + +The chips are programmed by Mykotronx, Inc., which calls them the +""MYK-78."" The silicon is supplied by VLSI Technology Inc. They are +implemented in 1 micron technology and will initially sell for about +$30 each in quantities of 10,000 or more. The price should drop as the +technology is shrunk to .8 micron. + + +ENCRYPTING WITH THE CHIP + +To see how the chip is used, imagine that it is embedded in the AT&T +telephone security device (as it will be). Suppose I call someone and +we both have such a device. After pushing a button to start a secure +conversation, my security device will negotiate an 80-bit session key K +with the device at the other end. This key negotiation takes place +without the Clipper Chip. In general, any method of key exchange can +be used such as the Diffie-Hellman public-key distribution method. + +Once the session key K is established, the Clipper Chip is used to +encrypt the conversation or message stream M (digitized voice). The +telephone security device feeds K and M into the chip to produce two +values: + + E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and + E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement field , + +which are transmitted over the telephone line. The law enforcement +field thus contains the session key K encrypted under the unit key U +concatenated with the serial number N, all encrypted under the family +key F. The law enforcement field is decrypted by law enforcement after +an authorized wiretap has been installed. + +The ciphertext E[M; K] is decrypted by the receiver's device using the +session key: + + D[E[M; K]; K] = M . + + +CHIP PROGRAMMING AND ESCROW + +All Clipper Chips are programmed inside a SCIF (Secure Compartmented +Information Facility), which is essentially a vault. The SCIF contains +a laptop computer and equipment to program the chips. About 300 chips +are programmed during a single session. The SCIF is located at +Mykotronx. + +At the beginning of a session, a trusted agent from each of the two key +escrow agencies enters the vault. Agent 1 enters a secret, random +80-bit value S1 into the laptop and agent 2 enters a secret, random +80-bit value S2. These random values serve as seeds to generate unit +keys for a sequence of serial numbers. Thus, the unit keys are a +function of 160 secret, random bits, where each agent knows only 80. + +To generate the unit key for a serial number N, the 30-bit value N is +first padded with a fixed 34-bit block to produce a 64-bit block N1. +S1 and S2 are then used as keys to triple-encrypt N1, producing a +64-bit block R1: + + R1 = E[D[E[N1; S1]; S2]; S1] . + +Similarly, N is padded with two other 34-bit blocks to produce N2 and +N3, and two additional 64-bit blocks R2 and R3 are computed: + + R2 = E[D[E[N2; S1]; S2]; S1] + R3 = E[D[E[N3; S1]; S2]; S1] . + +R1, R2, and R3 are then concatenated together, giving 192 bits. The +first 80 bits are assigned to U1 and the second 80 bits to U2. The +rest are discarded. The unit key U is the XOR of U1 and U2. U1 and U2 +are the key parts that are separately escrowed with the two escrow +agencies. + +As a sequence of values for U1, U2, and U are generated, they are +written onto three separate floppy disks. The first disk contains a +file for each serial number that contains the corresponding key part +U1. The second disk is similar but contains the U2 values. The third +disk contains the unit keys U. Agent 1 takes the first disk and agent +2 takes the second disk. Thus each agent walks away knowing +an 80-bit seed and the 80-bit key parts. However, the agent does not +know the other 80 bits used to generate the keys or the other 80-bit +key parts. + +The third disk is used to program the chips. After the chips are +programmed, all information is discarded from the vault and the agents +leave. The laptop may be destroyed for additional assurance that no +information is left behind. + +The protocol may be changed slightly so that four people are in the +room instead of two. The first two would provide the seeds S1 and S2, +and the second two (the escrow agents) would take the disks back to +the escrow agencies. + +The escrow agencies have as yet to be determined, but they will not +be the NSA, CIA, FBI, or any other law enforcement agency. One or +both may be independent from the government. + + +LAW ENFORCEMENT USE + +When law enforcement has been authorized to tap an encrypted line, they +will first take the warrant to the service provider in order to get +access to the communications line. Let us assume that the tap is in +place and that they have determined that the line is encrypted with the +Clipper Chip. The law enforcement field is first decrypted with the +family key F, giving E[K; U] + N. Documentation certifying that a tap +has been authorized for the party associated with serial number N is +then sent (e.g., via secure FAX) to each of the key escrow agents, who +return (e.g., also via secure FAX) U1 and U2. U1 and U2 are XORed +together to produce the unit key U, and E[K; U] is decrypted to get the +session key K. Finally the message stream is decrypted. All this will +be accomplished through a special black box decoder. + + +CAPSTONE: THE NEXT GENERATION + +A successor to the Clipper Chip, called ""Capstone"" by the government +and ""MYK-80"" by Mykotronx, has already been developed. It will include +the Skipjack algorithm, the Digital Signature Standard (DSS), the +Secure Hash Algorithm (SHA), a method of key exchange, a fast +exponentiator, and a randomizer. A prototoype will be available for +testing on April 22, and the chips are expected to be ready for +delivery in June or July. + + +ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND DISTRIBUTION NOTICE. This article is based on +information provided by NSA, NIST, FBI, and Mykotronx. Permission to +distribute this document is granted. + + + +",11 +1295,"From: ccastco@prism.gatech.EDU (Constantinos Malamas) +Subject: Re: More Cool BMP files?? +Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology +Lines: 31 + +>In article <1993Apr17.023017.17301@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> rwang@gmuvax2.gmu.edu writes: +> > Hi, everybody: +> > I guess my subject has said it all. It is getting boring +> > looking at those same old bmp files that came with Windows. So, +> > I am wondering if there is any body has some beautiful bmp file +> > I can share. Or maybe somebody can tell me some ftp site for +> > some bmp files, like some scenery files, some animals files, +> > etc.... I used to have some, unfortunately i delete them all. +>Eric + + Hmmm, let's see: I could upload some .BMP files (I have around 15 +b/w and color ones), but I'd rather give you the fishing pole instead of the +fish:Here it goes: + Begginers guide to the coolest Windows backgrounds: +Step 1: ftp to cica (ftp.cica.indiana.edu user:anonymous passwd: guest) +cd to pub/pc/win3/(util?desktop?) and get one of these : wingif14.zip, +pspro??.zip gws?????.zip . They will scale, dither and convert GIFs to BMPs. +get the index file from the win3 subdir too for future reference... +Step 2: ftp to wuarchive.wustl.edu or plaza.aarnet.edu.au or archive.orst.edu +and cd to graphics/gif GET THE INDEX FILE... Now GigaBytes of pictures +are waiting to become your desktop... +Advice: If you have a slow computer (<486DX w/4MB RAM), make your bg b/w +by selecting b/w dither in any of the abovementioned apps.. +Hope it helps... + + +-- +Costas Malamas ____________________________________________________________ +Georgia Institute of Technology +OIT UA -- Opinions expressed are not necessarily OIT's... +Internet: ccastco@prism.gatech.edu +",2 +2005,"From: im14u2c@camelot.bradley.edu (Joe Zbiciak) +Subject: Rockwell Chipset for 14.4's ... Any good? +Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu +Organization: Bradley University +Lines: 24 + +I have a quick question regarding the Rockwell Chipset +that's`come out relatively recently--It supports v.32, v.32bis, +v.42, Group III Fax, and so on... However, I heard there +are bugs in the chipset. I know someone that has a ZOOM +14.4 Modem that uses the chipset, and he hasn't had a problem. + +What's the word on the chipset? Is this a ROM bug specific +to a specific brand using the Rockwell, or is it the Rockwell +chipset itself? And, if it is the Rockwell chipset, what +are the chances that if I buy one of these modems (using the +Rockwell chipset), that a) the bug will affect me, b) a ROM +change will fix/compensate for the bug? + +Please send responses via email... + +--Joe Zbiciak +im14u2c@cegt201.bradley.edu / im14u2c@camelot.bradley.edu + +-- +Joseph Zbiciak im14u2c@camelot.bradley.edu +[====Disclaimer--If you believe any of this, check your head!====] +------------------------------------------------------------------ + +Nuke the Whales! +",3 +3854,"From: donath@math.uiowa.edu (Matt Donath) +Subject: US Robotics 14.4 modem +Originator: donath@oak.math.uiowa.edu +Nntp-Posting-Host: oak.math.uiowa.edu +Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA +Lines: 5 + + +Reply to haljordan@delphi.com or call 708 674-2603: + +U.S. Robotics 16.8 Dual standard, V.32 bis, 14.4k baud, +16.8 hst. Price: $449. +",6 +1856,"From: egzondag@prl.philips.nl (Eddy Zondag) +Subject: QUESTION: How to get serial mouse working on IBM notebook L40? +Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands +Lines: 13 + +Do you happen to know how I can get a serial mouse (9 pins) working on +an IBM L40 notebook (which has a kind of bus mouse connection besides serial +and parallel interfaces). The manual doesn't say anything about it. + +I've tried two drivers, with the result that left and right buttons are +recognized, but mouse movement is not. Should I cut or shortcut some +wires to/from the mouse? + +Thanks for your help. + +Eddy Zondag +Philips Research +egzondag@prl.philips.nl +",3 +5012,"From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) +Subject: Re: dogs +Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca +Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta +Lines: 26 + +In article car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes: + +>This tactic depends for its effectiveness on the dog's conformance to +>a ""psychological norm"" that may not actually apply to a particular dog. +>I've tried it with some success before, but it won't work on a Charlie Manson +>dog or one that's really, *really* stupid. A large Irish Setter taught me +>this in *my* yard (apparently HIS territory) one day. I'm sure he was playing +>a game with me. The game was probably ""Kill the VERY ANGRY Neighbor"" Before +>He Can Dispense the TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT. + +What, a dog weighs 150lb maybe, at max? You can't handle it? + +You have, I presume, thumbs? Grapple with it and tear it's head +off! + +Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human, +we have *all* the advantages. + +Regards, Charles +DoD0.001 +RZ350 +-- +Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of +separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, +struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing +gourd. --Unknown net.person +",8 +8824,"From: Steve.Hayes@f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org +Subject: Sin +Lines: 10 + +09 Apr 93, Jill Anne Daley writes to All: + + JAD> What exactly is a definition of sin and what are some examples. How does + JAD> a person know when they are committing sin? + +To answer briefly: sin is falling short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) + +Steve + +--- GoldED 2.40 +",15 +6775,"From: Graham Toal +Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) +Originator: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk +Nntp-Posting-Host: pizzabox.demon.co.uk +Reply-To: Graham Toal +Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous +Lines: 9 + +In article <1993Apr20.192105.11751@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: +:Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack +:has 2^80 possible keys. + +We don't yet know if all 80 bits count. Anyway, its looking like the +keys and escrow arrangements are smoke and mirrors to cover the way the NSA +can regenerate the key from the transmitted serial number. + +G +",11 +1135,"From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) +Subject: Re: copy/move files in File Manager +Organization: AT&T +Distribution: usa +Lines: 25 + +In article rsc3e@orion.lib.Virginia.EDU (Scott Crittenden) writes: +>My understanding is that, to copy files from one directory to another on +>the same drive in File Manager (using a mouse), you hold down the CTRL key +>while dragging the file from one directory's window to the other. This +>works for me... about 98% of the time. The other 2%, the file gets +>_moved_ rather than copied. Anybody else encountered this? +... + +I tried to respond by email, but all attempts bounced. + +The condition of the Ctrl key BEFORE you press the mouse button makes no +difference whatsoever. You have to be holding the Ctrl key when you +RELEASE the mouse button if you want to force a copy operation. + +Here's a simple experiment. Select a file and begin to drag it (no Ctrl +key). Notice that the file's icon disappears from the listing window. Now +watch what happens to that icon as you press and release the Ctrl key +(keeping the mouse button pressed all the while). In addition, the icon +that you are dragging will show a ""+"" while you are holding the Ctrl key, +indicating that the file is being copied rather than moved. + +-- +Bob Nichols +AT&T Bell Laboratories +rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com +",2 +1703,"From: butzen@binky.nas.nasa.gov (Nicholas A. Butzen) +Subject: Re: GW2000 and SIMMS +Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA +Lines: 29 + +They are actually 72 pin. They come in 4, 8, 16, and 32 with 64s soon +If you are interested in 4s or 8s, I may be able to help. Please call +415-324-2881 after 4:00 pm pdt. I may be interested in a trade. + + + + NAB + ASAN-NASA it's all done with mirrors +In article <1pq2ofINNe2t@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn) writes: +|> +|> In <113956@bu.edu> nshah@acs2.bu.edu writes: +|> +|> >I have a gateway2000 483/33 local bus system. It has 4 slots for SIMMS +|> >that either have to use 4 or 16MB simms. My question: I just +|> >received a 4x9 70ns simm and it has ~30 pins. The slot on the +|> >motherboard has at least 70 or so pins. Did I get the wrong simm +|> >or can I still use my simm , although not all the pins on the slot would +|> >be flilled. I have never encountered such a long slot for simms before. +|> >Anyone have suggestions? I can't get a hold of Gateway yet. Thanks +|> >Please post to the net or : nshah@acs.bu.edu +|> +|> Yes you got the wrong simm. You need 70 pin simms in 4 or 16 meg +|> flavors. +|> +|> -- +|> The Wailer at the Gates of Dawn | banshee@cats.UCSC.EDU | +|> Just who ARE you calling a FROOFROO Head? | | +|> DoD#0667 ""Just a friend of the beast."" | banshee@ucscb.UCSC.EDU | +|> 2,3,5,7,13,17,19,31,61,89,107,127,521,607....| banshee@ucscb.BITNET | +",3 +9849,"From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) +Subject: Re: Impeach Clinton, Reno +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 40 +Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) +NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu + + +In a previous article, gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone) says: + +> +>Fact: Both Janet Reno and Bill Clinton have admitted responsibility, +> even grief, over the deaths in Waco. +> +>Fact: Regardless of who started the fire, there are more than enough +> things on tape to make a civil rights case against these two. +> Cruel and unusual punishment (dying tortured rabbits on tape?) +> come to mind. +> +>Fact: It is a federal felony to infringe civil rights under color of +> law; where death is involved, this offense carries a penalty +> of life in prison. +> +>Fact: Impeachment is allowable for ""high crimes and misdemeanors."" +> Anything that's a federal felony should qualify. +> +>Conclusion: We have NO CHOICE, if we are an honest people, but to +> impeach Mr. Clinton, and remove Reno from office. + + + I HEARTILY agree. Now that the BATF warrant has been + unsealed, it is CLEAR that Clinton and Reno supported an + ILLEGAL raid. Did they not KNOW this? + + + + NO authority for a 'no-knock"" raid + NO authority to use helicopters. + NO authority to search for a ""drug lab"" + + And, apparently, not even any authority to search for ""automatic + weapons"". + + 51 days of GOVERNMENT LIES. + + + +",16 +4103,"From: hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker) +Subject: Re: Was ""Re: Safety"": From how far can you see a car ? +Article-I.D.: gap.1psle4INNkm2 +Distribution: na +Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena +Lines: 105 +NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu + +ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes: + + +>>.... These +>>lit up cars make non-illuminated things LESS visible (like pedistrians and +>>bikes). Hopefully we're not going to mandate DRL's for people and bikes +>>too. + +Well, DRL's are already mandatory for motorcycles... + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +-- +Jon Hacker | Get the OS/2 2.1 March Beta CD-ROM +Caltech, Pasadena CA | for $15 +hacker@tumbler-ridge.caltech.edu | Call 1-800-3-IBM-OS2 +",7 +10088,"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) +Subject: Re: Ten questions about Israel +Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University +Lines: 64 + +In article <1483500349@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: +Ten Questions about arab countries +---------------------------------- + +I would be thankful if any of you who live in arab countries could +help to provide accurate answers to the following specific questions. +These are indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and +again by people around me. + +1. Is it true that many arab countries don't recognize +Israeli nationality ? That people with Israeli stamps on their +passports can't enter arabic countries? + +2. Is it true that arabic countries such as Jordan and Syria +have undefined borders and that arab governments from 1948 until today +have refused to state where the ultimate borders of their states +should be? + +3. Is it true that arab countires refused to sign the Chemical +weapon convention treaty in Paris in 1993? + +4. Is it true that in arab prisons there are a number of +individuals which were tried in secret and for which their +identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are +state secrets ? + +4a. Is it true that some arab countries, like Syria, harbor Nazi +war criminals, and refuse to extradite them? + +4b. Is it true that some arab countries, like Saudi Arabia, +prohibit women from driving cars? + +5. Is it true that Jews who reside in the Muslim +countries are subject to different laws than Muslims? + +6. Is it true that arab countries confiscated the property of +entire Jewish communites forced to flee by anti-Jewish riots? + +7. Is it true that Israel's Prime Minister, Y. Rabin, signed +a chemical weapons treaty that no arab nation was willing to sign? + +8. Is it true that Syrian Jews are required to leave a $10,000 +deposit before leaving the country, and are no longer allowed to +emmigrate, despite promises made by Hafez Assad to George Bush? + +9. Is it true that Jews in Muslim lands are required to pay a +special tax, for being Jews? + +10. Is it true that Intercontinental Hotel in Jerusalem was built +on a Jewish cemetary, with roads being paved over grave sites, and +gravestones being used in Jordanian latrines? + +11. Is it really cheesy and inappropriate to post lists of biased +leading questions? + +11a. Is it less appropriate if information implied in Mr. +Davidsson's questions is highly misleading? + +Adam + +Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu + +""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure +wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow +",17 +10605,"Subject: Re: Top Ten Comments Overheard in the Secret Service Lounge +From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs +Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy +Lines: 22 + +In article <1993Apr4.163015.10438@highlite.uucp>, croaker@highlite.uucp (Francis +A. Ney) says: + [of who else but President of the United States William Jefferson Clinton.] +>It's a much better deal to have him end his term of office in disgrace, after +>watching all his liberal democrat friends on his staff run this nation down +>the toilet. + +Tsk. Surely you don't wish for the Democrats to destroy our beloved country +just so your party can get some trivial political advantage? That's rather +a petty way to think. (Not that this pettiness doesn't extend all the way +to the U.S. Senate, I've noticed...) + +While Bush was president, I kept hoping and praying that he'd wise up. I +couldn't stand the man, but I wish he'd done a decent job; if so, we might +not be in the mess we are now, and that would be a small price to pay for +suffering through another term of Republican control. Similarily, YOU should +be hoping and praying that Clinton does a good job. Even if you're certain +he won't. + + ""...so I propose that we destroy the moon, neatly solving that problem."" +[Your blood pressure just went up.] Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu + DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions, they'd try to charge me for them. +",18 +73,"From: karner@austin.ibm.com (F. Karner) +Subject: Re: Jews can't hide from keith@cco. +Originator: frank@karner.austin.ibm.com +Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division +Lines: 50 + + +In article <1pj2b6$aaa@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: +> In article <1993Apr3.033446.10669@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes: +> |> In article <1pint5$1l4@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: +> |> > +> |> Deletions... +> |> Er, Jon, what Ken said was: +> |> +> |> There have previously been people like you in your country. Unfortunately, +> |> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +> |> most Jews did not survive. +> |> +> |> That sure sounds to me like Ken is accusing the guy of being a Nazi. +> +> Hitler and the Nazis didn't spring fully formed from the forehead +> of Athena. They didn't invent anti-semitism. They built on a +> foundation of anti-semitism that was already present in Germany. +> This foundation of anti-semitism was laid down, not by the Nazis, +> but by the people I listed, and also by hundreds of years of unthinking, +> knee-jerk bigotry, on the part of perfectly ordinary people, and, of +> course, their pastors and priests. +> +> What we have to worry about today is not whether some Hollywood +> Hitler in a black uniform is going to come striding onto the German +> stage in one unprepared step, but whether those same bedrock foundations +> of anti-semitism are being laid down, little by little, in Germany, +> as we speak. +> +> And if so, they will be laid down, not by Hitlers and Himmlers, who +> will come later, but by ""people like"" the poster in question. The +> people who think that casual anti-semitism is acceptable, or even fun. +> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +> +Deletions... +> I did. Now may I suggest, with the greatest possible respect, that +> you go read some history? +> +> jon. + +So, you consider the german poster's remark anti-semitic? Perhaps you +imply that anyone in Germany who doesn't agree with israely policy in a +nazi? Pray tell, how does it even qualify as ""casual anti-semitism""? +If the term doesn't apply, why then bring it up? + +Your own bigotry is shining through. +-- + + DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed in this posting are mine + solely and do not represent my employer in any way. + F. A. Karner AIX Technical Support | karner@austin.vnet.ibm.com +",0 +1155,"From: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) +Subject: Re: Permanent Swap File +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 39 +Reply-To: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) +NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu + + +In a previous article, mlipsie@rdm09.std.com (Mike Lipsie MPU) says: + +>In article pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff) writes: +>> +>>Your swap file is purged every time you exit windows. If you shut off your +>>computer without exiting windows your swap file remains. 20 Mb is on the large +>>side, are you running more applications than you really need to at the same time? +> +>This is, of course, not true. The *temporary* swap file is purged +>every time you exit windows. The permanent file is permanent and +>can only be changed by adjusting the virtual memory. +> +>I suspect that either the original poster was ""tinkering"" and +>adjusted the swap file to 20MB (and then forgot about it) or +>somebody ""helped"" him. +> +>-- +>Mike Lipsie (work) mlipsie@ca.merl.com +>Mitsubishi Electronic Research Laboratory (home) mikel@dosbears.UUCP +> +When I first setup windows using the self load mode It grabbed about +20 megs of swap file space, my 120 meg HD was nearly empty at that time. +I deleted windows for a time and recently reloaded, now my HD is nearly full +and windows just took 4 megs. +I have read somewhere that the best rule of thumb is have your +permanent swap file the same size as your regular RAM size. I have 4 megs +of RAM and windows took 4 meg perm swap file. Works very well. +In fact with my available HD space, about 20 megs it won't let me make +the swap file any bigger. +You should change your virtual mem swap file to 8 megs I think +that is what you said your RAM was. + +C-ya..... /\/\artin +-- + This communication is sent by /\/\artin University of Arizona Tucson + ========================================================================= + ak333@cleveland.freenet.edu mlinsenb@ccit.arizona.edu mlinsenb@arizvms + DEATH HAS BEEN DEAD FOR ABOUT 2,000 YEARS ****** FOLLOW THE KING OF KINGS +",2 +3537,"From: reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us ( Reid Goldsborough) +Subject: New software for sale +Keywords: software +Distribution: na +Organization: Philadelphia Area Computer Society +Lines: 34 + +These programs all include complete printed manuals and +registration cards. I need to get rid of some excess. +They're the latest versions. I've priced these programs +at less than half the list price and significantly less +than the cheapest mail-order price around. + +* MICROSOFT ENTERTAINMENT PACK VOLUME ONE, includes eight +different Windows-based games, including Tetris, Taipei, +Minesweeper, TicTactics, Golf, Cruel, Pegged, and IdleWild, +list $49, sale $20. + +* JUST JOKING FOR WINDOWS 1.0, database of jokes from +WordStar, can quickly find jokes for many different +occasions, useful for business writers, speechwriters, +presenters, and others, more than 2,800 jokes under 250 +topics, can search by keyword and author, list $49, sale +$25. + +* HUMOR PROCESSOR 2.02, DOS-based database of jokes, +requires only 384 KB of RAM, along with thousands of +categorized jokes you can quickly find also includes an +online tutorial for writing your own jokes with proven +comedy forumulas, list $99, sale $45. + +* HISTORY OF THE WORLD 1.0, multimedia CD-ROM covering cave +society to the present, includes recordings of 25 famous +speeches from Churchhill, Gandi, and others, list $795, sale +$160. + +If you're interested in any of these programs, please phone me at +215-885-7446 (Philadelphia) and I'll save the package for you. +-- +Reid Goldsborough +reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us +",6 +10272,"From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon) +Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake +Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan +Lines: 33 + +In article jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes: + In article <1r3n8d$4m5@techbook.techbook.com> Dan Gannon writes: + +[DG] THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE +[DG] by Theodore J. O'Keefe +[DG] HARD BY THE WASHINGTON MONUMENT, within clear view of the Jefferson +[DG] Memorial, an easy stroll down the Mall to the majestic Lincoln Memorial, +[DG] has arisen, on some of the most hallowed territory of the United States of +[DG] America, a costly and dangerous mistake. On ground where no monument yet +[DG] marks countless sacrifices and unheralded achievements of Americans of all +[DG] races and creeds in the building and defense of this nation, sits today a +[DG] massive and costly edifice, devoted above all to a contentious and false +[DG] version of the ordeal in Europe during World War II, of non-American +[DG] members of a minority, sectarian group. Now, in the deceptive guise of +[DG] tolerance, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum begins a propaganda +[DG] campaign, financed through the unwitting largess of the American taxpayer, +[DG] in the interests of Israel and its adherents in America. + +[JAKE] After reading the first paragraph, a quick scan confirmed my first +[JAKE] impression: this is a bunch of revisionist and anti-semitic hogwash. + +Jake, I'm really disappointed in you. It took you a whole paragraph +to see that it was ""bunch of revisionist and anti-semitic hogwash"". :-) + +The article title ""THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND +DANGEROUS MISTAKE"" should have been enough! :-) + +Tsiel +-- +----8<--------------------------------------------------------------->8------ +Tsiel:ohayon@jcpl.co.jp | If you do not receive this E-mail, please let me +Employer may not have same | know as soon as possible, if possible. +opinions, if any ! | Two percent of zero is almost nothing. +",17 +9911,"Subject: Re: If You Feed Armenians Dirt -- You Will Bite Dust! +From: senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan) +Organization: Vanderbilt University +Summary: Armenians correcting the geo-political record. +Nntp-Posting-Host: snarl02 +Lines: 18 + +In article <1993Apr5.194120.7010@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: + +>In article <1993Apr5.064028.24746@kth.se> hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) +>writes: + +>David Davidian says: Armenians have nothing to lose! They lack food, fuel, and +>warmth. If you fascists in Turkey want to show your teeth, good for you! Turkey +>has everything to lose! You can yell and scream like barking dogs along the + +Davidian, who are fascists? Armenians in Azerbaijan are killing Azeri +people, invading Azeri soil and they are not fascists, because they +lack food ha? Strange explanation. There is no excuse for this situation. + +Herkesi fasist diye damgala sonra, kendileri fasistligin alasini yapinca, +""ac kaldilar da, yiyecekleri yok amcasi, bu seferlik affedin"" de. Yurrruuu, +yuru de plaka numarani alalim...... + +Hakan +",17 +10010,"From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) +Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!! +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 17 + +mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) writes: + +>Let's not forget that the soldiers were killed not murdered. The +>distinction is not trivial. Murder happens to innocent people, not people +>whose line of work is to kill or be killed. It just so happened that these +>soldiers, in the line of duty, were killed by the opposition. + +That still doesn't mean we should cheer their deaths. Policemen are also in +the line of fire and their job includes the possibility of getting killed. +Should we be happy when they die? As I said before, the question is not +whether or not you agree with the policies of Israel. You may wish for the +Israelis to cease occupation, but don't rejoice in death. + +>-marc + +Ed. + +",17 +6706,"From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) +Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. +Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 +Distribution: na +Lines: 25 + +Dave Ihnat (ignatz@chinet.chi.il.us) wrote: +: In article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: +: > Not to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this +: >kind of the domino theory? When one little country falls, its neighbor +: >will surely follow, and before you know it, we're all mining salt +: >in Siberia for not turning in our Captain Crunch Secret Decoder Rings. +: +: But, for all the wrongness of our attempt to correct it (VietNam, et. al.), +: the domino theory wasn't disproved at all. + +Ironically, the domino theory in fact *was* a reasonable metaphor for +the collapse of communism, from the liberalizations in Poland and +Hungary to the border crossings in the summer of '89 to the fall of +the Wall later that year....and then to the ultimate collapse of the +USSR. + +-Tim May +-- +.......................................................................... +Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, +tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero +408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, +W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. +Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. + +",11 +5831,"From: jslam@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (joseph.lam) +Subject: Re: Request for Islanders e-mail list +Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1993Apr5.183014.16567 +Distribution: na +Organization: AT&T +Lines: 26 + +In article <1993Apr3.014237.20959@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (BUI/DON/MR) writes: +>In article <16b5xvf@rpi.edu> wangr@rpi.edu writes: +>>>If anyone out there is keeping an Islanders e-mail list, could you +>>>please add me to it? Thanks in advance. +>> +>>>Ercu +>> +>> Can u add me onto the list too....Thanks... +>> +>>Rex +> +>Count me IN !!!! +> +>Go Isles! +> +> -Don +> +>bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca +> + +Please count me in also... + +Just can't tell you how excited I was when the Islanders beat the Rangers +in overtime on last Friday!!! + +Go Isles! +",10 +941,"From: mikec@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Micheal Cranford) +Subject: Disney Animation +Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. +Lines: 5 + +------------------------------------ + + Can anyone tell me anything about the Disney Animation software package? +Note the followup line (this is not for me but for a colleague). + +",1 +2501,"From: rodc@fc.hp.com (Rod Cerkoney) +Subject: *$G4qxF,fekVH6 +Nntp-Posting-Host: hpfcmrc.fc.hp.com +Organization: Hewlett Packard, Fort Collins, CO +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5] +Lines: 15 + + + +-- + + +Regards, +Rod Cerkoney + /\ +______________________________________________ /~~\ + / \ + Rod Cerkoney MS 37 email: / \ + Hewlett Packard rodc@fc.hp.com /\ / \ + 3404 East Harmony Rd. Hpdesk: / \/ \ /\ + Fort Collins, CO 80525 HP4000/UX / \ \ / \ +_____________________________________________/ \ \/ \__ +",4 +9626,"From: wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf) +Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 +Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu +Organization: Indiana University +Lines: 32 + +In article <1993Apr20.142131.27347@rti.rti.org> jbs@rti.rti.org writes: +>In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: +>> +>>Well they had over 40 days to come out with their hands up on national tv +>>to get the trial they deserved. Instead they chose to set fire to their +>>compund hours after the tanks dropped off the tear gas. +> +>This is about the third person who's parroted the FBI's line about the +>fires being set ""six hours after the tear gas was injected."" Suppose you +>want to explain to us the videotape footage shown on national TV last night +>in which a tank with the gas-injecting tubes is pulling its injection tubes +>out of the second story of a building as the building begins to belch smoke +>and then fire? +> +>Do tell. +> +> -joe + +Not to mention that the story was rewritten today. Those two BD's who +""admitted to starting the fire"", forget 'em, they don't exist anyone. +Today, ""a few saw someone starting a fire"" and ""our aerial surveillance +showed them starting fires"" at this morning's press conference. +Tomorrow, even this excuse may evaporate. A reporter pointed out +that a BD being brought to arraingement shouted that tanks knocking +over lanterns started the fire. Curiouser and curiouser. + + +-- + + Wayne J. Warf -- WWARF@ucs.indiana.edu -- I speak for myself only + + |*Clinton*Gore*CIA*FBI*DEA*Assassinate*Bomb*WoD*BoR*ATF*IRS*Resist*NSA* | + |*Christian*God*Satan*Apocalypse*ZOG*Nazi*Socialist*Communist*Explosive*| + +*fundamentalist*revolution*NSC*Federal Reserve*Constitution*gold*FEMA* + +",16 +9767,"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) +Subject: Re: Riddle me this... +Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu +Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder +Distribution: usa +Lines: 16 + +In article <1r1lp1INN752@mojo.eng.umd.edu> chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV) writes: +>>If so, why was CS often employed against tunnels in Vietnam? + +>CS ""tear-gas"" was used in Vietnam because it makes you wretch so hard that +>your stomach comes out thru your throat. Well, not quite that bad, but +>you can't really do much to defend yourself while you are blowing cookies. + +I think the is BZ gas, not CS or CN. BZ gas exposure results in projectile +vomiting, loss of essentially all muscle control, inability to concentrate +or think rationally and fatal reactions in a significant fraction of +the population. For that reason its use is limited to military +applications. + + Frank Crary + CU Boulder + +",16 +8505,"From: dante@shakala.com (Charlie Prael) +Subject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon +Organization: Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA +1-408-734-2289 +Lines: 10 + +dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes: + +> Which merely evades the issue of why those lunatics are +> there at all (and, why their children would want to stay.) + +Paul-- for the same reason that many other colonies are founded. Why not? + +------------------------------------------------------------------ +Charlie Prael - dante@shakala.com +Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA +1-408-734-2289 +",14 +6539,"From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M Kadie) +Subject: Re: Clipper Crap +Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL +Lines: 9 + +>encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the +>privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield +>criminals and terrorists. We need the ""Clipper Chip"" and other + +""Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is +the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."" -- William Pitt +-- +Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me. + = kadie@cs.uiuc.edu = +",11 +10415,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) +Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ? +Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department +Lines: 54 + +In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: + +>The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population +>density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks. + +Another CPR Non-Fact. + +>The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of +>Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the +>strip and seek work in Israel. + +Actually, they are free to leave and seek work in Egypt, except that +the Egyptians don't want them, either. And who are you going to blame +if/when Gazans establish their own state of Gaza/Palestine? + +>While Polish non-Jews risked their lives to save Jews from the +>Ghetto, no Israeli Jew is known to have risked his life to help +>the Gazan resistance. The only help given to Gazans by Israeli +>Jews, only dozens of people, is humanitarian assistance. + +Actually, one such Jew who did risk his life to help Gazan Arabs was +hacked to death by Palestinean murderers just last week. It seems +that the risk has been primarily from the Arabs ""in need of help"". + +This is also true for telephone repairmen, traders who seek to buy +agricultural products from Gazans, Israeli soldiers who get involved +in fighting between feuding Palestinean groups that are as determined +to destroy each other as they are to destroy outsiders... + +>The right of the Gazan population to resist occupation is +>recognized in international law and by any person with a sense of +>justice. A population denied basic human rights is entitled to +>rise up against its tormentors. + +I just wanna see you try this here in the USA. You know what's going +to happen. + +>As is known, the Israeli regime is considering Gazans unworthy of +>Israeli citizenship and equal rights in Israel, although they are +>considered worthy to do the dirty work in Israeli hotels, shops +>and fields. Many Gazans are born in towns and villages located in +>Israel. They may not live there, for these areas are reserved for +>the Master Race. + +Okay. That's enough. I'm not going to read this posting of yours any +further. + + +>Elias Davidsson Iceland + +-- +Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will +American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the +My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. +",17 +7254,"From: rmf@bpdsun1.uucp (Rob Finley) +Subject: Re: RAMs &ROMs with ALE latches (for 8051's) +Organization: Harris Allied Broadcast Div., Quincy, IL +Lines: 22 + + +Intel also makes some neat memory and peripheral chips: + +Old technology (early 1980's) +8155 ram plus IO (slow ram as I recall) +8755 eprom plus IO (expensive and slow) + + +Intel does make Eproms with built in address latches. +I fear that you would need a very flexible and up-to-date eprom +programmer to write to them. + +give them a call. I am not able to locate their memory products book +yet. + + + +Sigh... Now, who borrowed it... + +Robert + + +",12 +9958,"From: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) +Subject: Re: Israeli Expansion-lust +Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu +Reply-To: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) +Organization: Columbia University +Lines: 57 + + +In article <2528@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew) writes: +>In article <1993Apr13.002118.24102@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes: +>>In article <1993Apr12.184034.1370@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes: +> +>>>IMHO, it does not really matter who started any individual battle within +>>>the Arabs/Isreal war context. The real question is who/what started the +>>>War. Does anyone have any doubts it was the creation of Israel on Arab +>>>land ? +> +>> Huh? A war was started when several armies invaded Israel, +>>vowing to drive the Jews into the sea. Most Jews wanted to live in +>>peace, and the Arabs who stayed in Israel were granted citizenship. +> +>It depends entirely on how you define 'war'. The actual fighting largely +>predates the Arab invasions - after all Deir Yassin happened in midApril +>well before the Arab invasion. As I have said elsewhere Lt Col Lorch has +>said that Hagana forces were fighting well before the Arabs invaded as in +>months before. As for Jews wanting to live in peace that to is entirely +>arguable. I think it is easy enough to show that the Labour party leadership +>had no such intention at all. As for the Arabs who 'stayed' don't you mean +>those who were not expelled? Even some of those who did 'stay' were not +>granted citizenship but expelled after the fighting had stopped anyway. +> +>Joseph Askew +> + +How do you define war? Do seiges and constant attacks on villiages +count as acts of war, or is that only when the Jews do them? +January, 1948: Arab Liberation Army attacks Kfar Szold + 1000 men attack Kfar Etzion, 14 miles south of Jerusalem, + after cutting off the supply lines to it. +Attacks on Yehiam (Western Galilee) and kibbutz Tirat Tzvi. +By Mid-March, The Jewish settlements in the Negev had been cut off from + land links with the rest of the Jewish population. + The Etzion group of villiages, near Hebron, had been cut off, + while 42 members of a convoy trying to supply Yehiam were + slaughtered, cutting off the villiage. +Jerusalem was under seige, being cut off from its supply route from + Tel Aviv (the bombed out supply trucks have been left on the side + of that road to this day in memoriam). By this time, 1200 Jews + had been killed. + +Of course, this isn't war, since it's only the Arabs attacking. +Just like last week when the Fatah launched Katyusha rockets +against Northern israel. Where does uprising end and war begin? +Will it still be 'Intifadah' when the PLO brings in tanks? + + +>-- +>Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud In the autumn stillness, see the Pleiades, +>jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief. +>Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere, +>Actually, I rather like Brenda Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on. + + +Amir +",17 +349,"From: timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) +Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics +Lines: 66 + + +James Hogan writes: + +timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes: +>>Jim Hogan quips: + +>>... (summary of Jim's stuff) + +>>Jim, I'm afraid _you've_ missed the point. + +>>>Thus, I think you'll have to admit that atheists have a lot +>>more up their sleeve than you might have suspected. + +>>Nah. I will encourage people to learn about atheism to see how little atheists +>>have up their sleeves. Whatever I might have suspected is actually quite +>>meager. If you want I'll send them your address to learn less about your +>>faith. + +>Faith? + +Yeah, do you expect people to read the FAQ, etc. and actually accept hard +atheism? No, you need a little leap of faith, Jimmy. Your logic runs out +of steam! + +>>>Fine, but why do these people shoot themselves in the foot and mock +>>>the idea of a God? .... + +>>>I hope you understand now. + +>>Yes, Jim. I do understand now. Thank you for providing some healthy sarcasm +>>that would have dispelled any sympathies I would have had for your faith. + +>Bake, + +>Real glad you detected the sarcasm angle, but am really bummin' that +>I won't be getting any of your sympathy. Still, if your inclined +>to have sympathy for somebody's *faith*, you might try one of the +>religion newsgroups. + +>Just be careful over there, though. (make believe I'm +>whispering in your ear here) They're all delusional! + +Jim, + +Sorry I can't pity you, Jim. And I'm sorry that you have these feelings of +denial about the faith you need to get by. Oh well, just pretend that it will +all end happily ever after anyway. Maybe if you start a new newsgroup, +alt.atheist.hard, you won't be bummin' so much? + +>Good job, Jim. +>. + +>Bye, Bake. + + +>>[more slim-Jim (tm) deleted] + +>Bye, Bake! +>Bye, Bye! + +Bye-Bye, Big Jim. Don't forget your Flintstone's Chewables! :) +-- +Bake Timmons, III + +-- ""...there's nothing higher, stronger, more wholesome and more useful in life +than some good memory..."" -- Alyosha in Brothers Karamazov (Dostoevsky) +",0 +8167,"Subject: Why isolate it? +From: chinsz@eis.calstate.edu (Christopher Hinsz) +Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services +Lines: 13 + + Does anyone on this newsgroup happen to know WHY morphine was +first isolated from opium? If you know why, or have an idea for where I +could look to find this info, please mail me. + CSH +any suggestionas would be greatly appreciated + +-- + ""Kilimanjaro is a pretty tricky climb. Most of it's up, until you reach +the very, very top, and then it tends to slope away rather sharply."" + Sir George Head, OBE (JC) +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +LOGIC: ""The point is frozen, the beast is dead, what is the difference?"" + Gavin Millarrrrrrrrrr (JC) +",13 +662,"From: ukrphil@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk (M.J.Phillips) +Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? +Reply-To: ukrphil@prlhp1.UUCP (M.J.Phillips) +Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Redhill, UK +Lines: 7 + +The 68070 _does_ exist. It's number was licensed to Philips to make their +own variant. This chip includes extra featurfes such as more I/O ports, +I2C bus... making it more microcontroller like. + +Because of the confusion with numbering (!), Philips other products in the +[range with the 68??? core have been given differend numbers like PCF... +or PCD7.. or something. +",1 +6740,"From: butzerd@maumee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Dane C. Butzer) +Subject: How large are commercial keys? +Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering +Lines: 13 + +What are the typical sizes for keys for commercial secret key algorithms? +I know DES is 56 bits (""tripple DES"" is 112 bits) and IDEA is 128 bits. Is +there anything made in the US that has 128 bit keys? Anything anywhere +that has larger keys? I've heard that RC2 can be scaled to arbitrarily +large keys, but is this actually implemented anywhere? + +Finally, can anyone even concieve of a time/place where 128 bit keys aren't +sufficient? (I certainly can't - even at a trillion keys a second, it +would take about 10 billion years to search just one billionth of that keys +space.) + +Thanks, +Dane +",11 +5713,"From: jclouse@discover.wright.edu (Jim Clouse) +Subject: World Series Stats +Nntp-Posting-Host: discgate +Organization: Wright State University +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 3 + +Does anybody else think that WS stats should become part of +a player's career stats? Why not? + +",9 +6200,"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) +Subject: Re: If You Were Pat Burns ... +Keywords: Leaf Wings +Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON +Lines: 24 + +In <1993Apr20.181549.11414@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: + +>Pray for the Wings to become lazy and overconfident...the Wings +>can only lose the series...Toronto cannot win it. Take away +>Doug Gilmour and the Leafs are an old Tampa Bay. + +Right Gerald. And take away Bob Probert and the Wings are dead Octopuses. + +>The Leafs deserve a lot of credit for their diligent effort +>during the regular season...but if Detroit puts in a reasonable +>effort, this is not a contest. + +Let's wait for the body to get cold before we start in with the eulogies +hm? They have only lost ONE game. The game was in Detroit after all and +Potvin did not have his best evening. Nobody that I saw thought that the +Leafs would sweep the Wings. It looks like it might go six. The Leafs +will take the Wings home advantage away in the next game. + + +-- + +cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca + ""So many morons... +rm ...and so little time."" +",10 +3423,"From: kssimon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kenneth steven simon) +Subject: Re: Deal gone bad! What to do? +Summary: small claims - you have to be there +Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu +Organization: Indiana University +Lines: 24 + + rjkoppes@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Randy Koppes) writes: + + >Have you head of small claims. You may have to put money up + >front for the filing fees, and then possibly having the local + >sheriff of his/her city to deliver the bad news. In the end + >the other party will end up paying for his/her mistake with + >interest from the time of the filing to the pay date of the + >defendent + +I think the problem with small claims court is that you have to go to +the location of the person you're taking action against. It seems to +me the time and money involved in travelling out there (unless this +person is close to you) wouldn't be worth it for a small claim. +It really depends on how much money you're out. + +If I am wrong about any of this, someone please correct me! ;) + + + +-- +----------------------------------------------------------------- +Kenneth Simon Dept of Sociology, Indiana University +Internet: KSSIMON@INDIANA.EDU Bitnet: KSSIMON@IUBACS +----------------------------------------------------------------- +",6 +4022,"From: wen-king@cs.caltech.edu (Wen-King Su) +Subject: male/female mystery [ Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time ] +Organization: California Institute of Technology +Lines: 16 +NNTP-Posting-Host: neptune.cs.caltech.edu + +In article <1993Apr1.191826.28921@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes: + +features, but forgets that besides families with children, a woman +& checking out if anyone's near me when I get to my car - never park +not fumbling in my purse looking for them .... + +This has me thinking. Is there a biological reason why women can't put +their keys in their pants pockets like men do? I have two pockets on the +back of each of my pants. I put my keys in one and wallent in another. +Many of the pockets even have a botton on them so I can close them securely. +Everything is that much simpler for me. Why can't women do the same? +Is is biological (ie, not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and +a wallet) or is it the way they are raised by the parents? +",7 +4159,"From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) +Subject: rec.autos: Welcome to to the new reader +Keywords: Monthly Posting +Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com +Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies +Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 04:00:05 GMT +Lines: 269 + +Archive-name: rec-autos/part1 + +[most recent changes, 15 March 1993: addition of alt.autos.karting -- rpw] + + === Welcome to Rec.Autos.* === + +This article is sent out automatically each month, and contains a general +description of the purpose of each of the automotive newsgroups, and +some suggested guidelines for discussions. The keywords `Monthly Posting' +will always appear to make killing this article easy for users of +newsreaders with kill facilities. This article is posted to all autos +groups, but followups are directed only to rec.autos. If you don't +understand what this means, ask your system administrator for help, or at +least for copies of the newuser documentation. Failing that, please +subscribe to the newsgroup news.announce.newusers and read the +documentation provided there. + +Introduction to the Rec.Autos newsgroup hierarchy: + +rec.autos.tech + +is intended for technical discussions of automobiles, their design, +construction, diagnosis, and service. Other discussions are largely +inappropriate, especially For Sale ads. + +rec.autos.sport + +is intended for discussion of legal, organized competition involving +automobiles. Technical discussions are appropriate insofar as they apply +to competition vehicles. Discussion from either of two viewpoints, +spectator and participant, is encouraged. Arguments about sports cars are +largely inappropriate, as are most other discussions. For Sale ads are +inappropriate unless they are for competition vehicles and/or equipment. +Discussions of illegal events are marginal; one should probably avoid +advocating breaking the law. (remember, the FBI reads Usenet!) + +rec.autos.driving + +is intended for discussions related to the driving of automobiles. +Also, if you must discuss 55 vs. 65, or radar detectors, or boneheads, do it here. + +rec.autos.vw + +is intended for discussion of issues related to the use and ownership +of automobiles manufactured by Volkswagen (this includes VWs, Audis, +Seats, etc.) It was created on the grounds that the info-vw mailing +list was very successful. It should not be presumed from the existence +of this group that it is appropriate to create many groups to cover many +different marques; groups specific to individual marques should only be +created on demonstration of sufficient interest, via some avenue such as +a mailing list. + +rec.audio.car + +is not properly part of the rec.autos.* hierarchy. it is, however, +the correct place for discussion of automotive audio equipment, and +so is mentioned here. + +rec.autos.antique + +is intended for the discussion of older cars (usually more than 25 years +old, although this is not a hard-and-fast rule.) + +alt.hotrod + +is not part of the hierarchy, but also of potential interest to the +rec.autos reader. it is gatewayed to the moderated hotrod mailing +list, and is for serious discussion of modifying and developing +performance vehicles. + +alt.autos.rod-n-custom + +also not part of the `official' hierarchy; devoted to that peculiar +American hobby of customizing older cars. + +alt.autos.karting + +for the discussion of the popular motorsport and hobby, karting. + +rec.autos + +is intended to capture discussion on all other automotive topics. + + +Crossposting: + +Crossposting occurs when more than one newsgroup name is included on +the Newsgroups: line in the article header; such articles will appear +in all of the newsgroups listed. + +Crossposting is one of the most misunderstood and misused facilities on +Usenet. You should only post to a group because you feel an article is +appropriate; you should NEVER crosspost just to reach a particular +audience. This distinction is subtle, but important. Radar Detector +articles, for example, are more-or-less appropriate in rec.autos. They are +almost never appropriate in sci.electronics or rec.ham-radio, and the fact +that you might want to reach the audience in sci.electronics or +rec.ham-radio is NOT adequate justification for posting to either group. + +Crossposting between any or all of the rec.autos.* groups is usually +inappropriate; if you find yourself doing so, consider whether or not it is +truly advisable, before sending your article. Consider setting Followup-To: +to point to only one newsgroup if you feel you must crosspost. + +Crossposting between rec.autos.* and misc.consumers is chancy at best; in +particular flame wars over the speed limit in the US and/or the use of +radar detectors should NEVER be crossposted between any of these groups. + +Most readers of sci.electronics and rec.radio.* couldn't care less about +the police radar and radar detector arguments that go on endlessly in +rec.autos. + +It is an excellent idea to check the Newsgroups: and Followup-to: lines of +articles before posting a followup. In particular, be wary of posting to +misc.test, rec.arts.startrek.*, or talk.bizarre, or any combination of these +three. The life you save may be your own. + +Distribution: + +There is a field in the header of any news article which allows you to +(partially) control where the article goes; it is called the Distribution +field. It may be very useful for many reasons; it should also serve +as a reminder that news is a very large and widespread system. + +The distribution of rec.autos.* is fairly extensive. As of this writing, +the Automotive newsgroups are known to reach most of Europe, Australia, +New Zealand, and some locations in Japan. With this in mind, I offer the +following hints about use of the Distribution: field in your article +headers, and on article content. + +1) Please take care not to send for-sale ads about clapped out Ford +Mavericks in New Jersey to France or California; i doubt that anyone in +either place will care, except for my girlfriend, who for some strange +reason likes Mavericks (but only 4-door Mavericks, at that.) + +2) When posting technical questions, please include the market for which +your car was manufactured. For example, there are a number of differences +between a European-market Ford Escort and a US-market Escort. Likewise, +all 1750cc and early 2000cc Alfa Romeos reached the US with Spica Fuel +injection; European market cars usually got carbs (often Webers). These +differences can be important to your readers; make your situation clear. +Failure to do so can lead to pointless flame wars and a significant +spread of misinformation. + +3) Be careful about your capacities and specifications when posting; +in the US we get a mix of Metric and English system values, whereas +Europe is almost entirely on the Metric system. A future edition +of this monthly posting will contain a list of commonly-used +abbreviations that may not be known in some places that rec.autos +reaches; this cuts both ways so let us not be parochial about it. + +4) Use the Distribution: field to limit where your article goes, when +possible. Within North America, the values na (north america), can +(canada), and usa may be used. in addition, the two-letter state +abbreviations of the US are supported in some cases; e.g. if i wanted +to send an article only to New York and New Jersey, i could put +""ny,nj"" in a Distribution field. note that multiple, comma-separated +values are legal. these distribution fields vary widely, however, so +you should check with your local sysadmin to find out what is likely +to be supported in your area. + +The Dangers of Overgeneralization: + +To amplify a warning from the distribution section of this article: +Be wary of making foolish assumptions about all cars, tires, etc. What is +true for a 1973 Buick with a 455cid engine may be quite utterly wrong for a +1976 Honda with a 1200cc engine. Headlight laws in Sweden are decidedly +different from those in Idaho. + +The Need for Adequate Specification: + +When you ask a question, please give a reasonable amount of information; +e.g., if you have a question about your Honda, please specify year, +model, engine size, etc. Otherwise, most answers to your question may be +quite useless. + + +Concerning Lemons: + +At one time or another, every auto manufacturer has manufactured a lemon or +two; even Honda admits to this. Please don't waste everyone's time by +announcing to the world that your `brand x' automobile is terrible, so all +`brand x' automobiles are terrible, so no one should ever buy a car from +the `brand x' company. Such articles are worse than useless, because they +cause substantial wasted bandwidth while carrying little or no useful +information. + + +Concerning Flames: + +As much as we might wish it, a flame-free newsgroup is something that most +likely will never occur. Here are some guidelines for flames and how +to deal with them (a list of flame-prone topics follows in the next section +of this posting): + +If you post something truly obnoxious and inflammatory, don't imagine for a +minute that including the words `No Flames' will work. It won't, and +you'll get exactly what you deserve. + +If you're going to flame, you're more likely to get away with it if you can +cite a fact or maybe a well-known reference. No one is likely to believe +bald, unsupported assertions. + +Be careful about who you choose to insult. Consider not insulting anyone. + + +Asking the Question: + +It is a bad idea to post a question and end it with a phrase like `Please +send email, I don't read this group'. It is a much better idea to +end the question with `Please send email, if there is sufficient interest +I'll summarize the results in a later posting. I may miss posted responses +to this request'. + +Answering the Question: + +If someone wants to hop up their Yugo, don't tell them to get a Mustang. +Either be silent, or give them useful advice. If someone wants advice on +defending a speeding ticket, don't tell them to obey the law next time -- +it's offensive, presumes guilt which is not proven, and doesn't directly +address the original question. In general, don't post in order to see +your words in print, and don't post in order to enjoy feeling smug and +self-righteous. + + +Stale and/or Inflammatory Topics: + +Certain topics are considered stale by `old timers'; while discussion of +them is certainly ok, and new, factual information is welcome, ravings +about them are extremely tiresome, and may get the person who posts them +ignored altogether. Some topics are naturally inflammatory; it is +difficult if not impossible to have meaningful discussion of them. Some +of these topics include the following: + +1) the 55mph speed limit in the US: Pro and Con + +2) discussions about the morality and legality of the sale and usage of + radar detectors. + +3) discussions over which radar detector is best. + +4) discussions over what is a sports car (this is one reason why + rec.autos.sport is not a `sports car' group -- everyone would argue + about what constitutes a `sports car'.) + +5) disputes over whether or not US Federal law protects the driver's + right to own and operate a radar detector + +6) `Buy American' discussions + +7) `clever' bumper stickers and personalized license plates + +8) cars are terrible + +9) What kind of car did Maxwell Smart drive? + [when I have a complete, accurate answer it will be added to the + commonly-asked questions article which is also posted monthly. + Until then, please don't waste bandwidth on this topic. -- rpw] + + + +Please direct comments and suggestions about this article to: + + welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com +-- +richard welty 518-393-7228 welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com +``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of + a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith +",7 +8657,"From: simon@cyklop.nada.kth.se (Simon Tardell) +Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times +Nntp-Posting-Host: cyklop.nada.kth.se +Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden +Lines: 14 + +In <1993Apr21.141824.23536@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) writes: + +>Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used +>to compute sunrise and sunset times. + +>I would appreciate any advice. + +I once thought it would be easiest fitting a sine to the times. But not. +This gave discrepancy of upto six minutes. If you fit a sine series +you'll get a very good fit after just three or four terms though. This +presumably has to do with the eccentricity of the Earths orbit. + +-- +Simon Tardell, Ff88, simon@nada.kth.se V}ga v{gra cgs! +",14 +6132,"From: steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) +Subject: Re: NHL team in Milwaukee +Organization: Cadkey, Inc. +Lines: 38 +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net + + + + +Charlie Betz (cbetz@romulus.cray.com) writes: +> After reading some of the reports of possible NHL moves to Milwaukee or that +> Milwaukee should have an NHL team, I thought I'd pass along a story I heard +> recently. This is second hand, so I don't know how true it is, but I have +> no reason to doubt it either. +> +> Bradley Center in Milwaukee is home to the Milwaukee Admirals minor leauge +> hockey team. The owner of the Admirals (sorry, I can't remember his name) +> either owns or at least shelled out the majority of the funds to build the +> Bradley Center. + +Lloyd Pettit. + +> +> Supposedly he was approached by the NHL about an expansion franchise, but +> turned it down because he thought the franchise fee of $50 million was too +> high. +> +> Like I said, I don't know whether this story is true or just a rumor, but if +> it's true, don't look for an NHL team in Milwaukee anytime soon. The Admirals +> aren't going to be forced out of the building and you won't see an NHL club +> and a minor league club in the same building, especially since the NBA's +> Milwaukee Bucks play there as well. + +Yes, it is true that he refused to buy a franchise from the NHL for $50M; but +at the time the reason was that the established market for teams was much +less than that. He felt that no one would pay $50M for an expansion team, and +that he would simply wait to buy an existing franchise for less than that. But +the market fooled him, and 5 teams have been created for $50M apiece in the +last three years, and even the existing teams can't be moved for less than +$50M and I doubt that he could get one for that little. + +Pettit gambled and lost. Now he'll have to pay more. + +-SG +",10 +3355,"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) +Subject: Re: 24-bit Static color: will clients like it? +Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. +Lines: 37 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE +NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de + + +In article <1993Apr26.123918.1@vxcrna.cern.ch>, roeber@vxcrna.cern.ch (Frederick Roeber) writes: +|> +|> I'm writing an X server for some video-generation equipment. The +|> hardware is ""truecolor"" in YUV space; in X terms it has a 24-bit +|> static color visual. I would really like to have the server just +|> present this static visual, but I'm not sure if this will be +|> acceptable to ""most"" X clients. The three problems I see are: +|> +|> 1) The colormap, though huge, is static. +|> 2) All pixels would be 3 bytes wide. +|> 3) Because the hardware actually lives in YUV space, the +|> translation RGB->YUV will introduce some rounding error. +|> +|> Being more of a server guy than a client guy, I ask: will these +|> limitations thwart many X clients? Or will most of the X stuff +|> floating around blithely accept what they're given? I could write +|> the server to also present a pseudocolor visual of, e.g., 8 bits, +|> but I'd rather avoid this if not necessary. +|> + +Even 24Bit TrueColor machines are in most cases running an emulated +8 bit PseudoColor visual, only to get standard x clients, motif apps and +thelike to run. I strongly suppose you to emulate at least: + +> 24 Bit TrueColor. Should be no problem, only some translation. Rounding + should not make big misfits +> 8 bit PseudoColor. More of a problem, you have to emulate a colormap, + pixel indices, conversion stuff. Furthermore, you should run your default + screen on this visual. + +-- ++-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ +| o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | +| o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | +| o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | ++-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ +",5 +11138,"From: jmeritt@mental.MITRE.ORG (Jim Meritt - System Admin) +Subject: Keep Firm the foundations! +Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway +Lines: 6 +NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu + +JOB 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and +hangeth the earth upon nothing. + +JOB 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the +earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. + +",19 +5430,"Organization: Penn State University +From: +Subject: Re: Phills vs Pirates + <121055@netnews.upenn.edu> + <1993Apr17.132013.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> +Lines: 17 + +I hate to be the burden of bad news, but I think I will this time! =) + +The Phillies usually play at either 7:05 P.M. or 7:35 P.M. Eastern Time for +weekdays. On Sundays the time is usually 1:35 P.M. Eastern Time. + +Boise is in Idaho. Idaho is in part of the Mountain Time Zone and in part +of the Pacific Time Zone. The times that were given were for Mountain Time +Zone starts. + +Please check a map in case I am wrong. But I am certain that Boise is in the +Mountain Time Zone. + + +Thanks for listening! + + +The Shep +",9 +5955,"From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) +Subject: Pens box score 4/14 +Nntp-Posting-Host: lli.mach.cs.cmu.edu +Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon +Lines: 44 + +Pens-6 NJ Devils-6 + +FIRST PERIOD: SCORING: 1, Pittsburgh, Daniels(Needham, Tippett)4:14. +2, NJ Devils, C. Lemieux(Semak, Driver)10:19. 3, Pittsburgh, Stevens +(Tocchet, Murphy)12:40ppg. 4, NJ Devils, Zelepukin(Driver, Niedermayer) +17:26. PENALTIES: PGH, Stevens(roughing)1:30. NJD, Pellerin-double +minor(cross-checking)1:30. NJD, Zelepukin(tripping)7:21. NJD, +Stasny(holding)11:15. PGH, Taglianetti(roughing)13:51. NJD, Lemieux +(roughing)13:51. PGH, Jagr(tripping)15:23. + +SECOND PERIOD: SCORING: 5, Pittsburgh, Lemieux(Murphy, Tocchet)1:42. +6, NJ Devils, Semak(Lemieux, Zelepukin)2:27. 7, Pittsburgh, McEachern +(Jagr, Barrasso)4:24. 8, NJD, Stevens(Guerin, Pellerin)5:45. 9, +Pittsburgh, Lemieux(unassisted)12:40shg. 10, NJ Devils, Richer +(Nicholls)15:53. 11, NJ Devils, Lemieux(Zelepukin)17:40. PENALTIES: +PGH, Stevens(roughing)3:06. NJD, McKay(roughing)3:06. PGH, Mullen +(hooking)10:42. PGH, Tocchet(roughing)12:06. NJD, Stevens(slashing) +12:06. NJD, Lemieux(unsportsmanlike conduct)12:40. PGH, U. +Samuelsson(cross checking)20:00. PGH, Barrasso-double minor(spearing) +served by McEachern, 20:00. NJD, Holik(cross checking)20:00. NJD, +Lemieux(roughing)20:00. + +THIRD PERIOD: SCORING: 12, Pittsburgh, Mullen(Jagr, Lemieux)18:54. +PENALTIES: NJD, Daneyko(interference)3:37. PGH, Stevens(roughing) +9:18. NJD, Holik(roughing)9:18. PGH, match penalty-game misconduct,9:50. +NJD, Zelepukin(tripping)12:01. PGH, Stevens(roughing)18:41. NJD, +Daneyko(roughing)18:41. + +OVERTIME: SCORING: No scoring. PENALTIES: No penalties. + +SHOTS ON GOAL: +Pittsburgh: 9-11-8-2=30 +NJ Devils: 12-15-9-3=39 + +GOALIES: +Barrasso(39 shots, 33 saves. 43-14-5) +Billington(30 shots, 24 saves) + +REF: Devorski Linesmen: Gauthier, Vines + +Lori +Contact for the Penguins +lli+@cs.cmu.edu + +",10 +8387,"From: degroff@netcom.com (21012d) +Subject: Re: Atlas revisited +Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) +Distribution: sci +Lines: 8 + + I found it very interesting that Atlas depended on pressure to +maintain tank geometry....leads me to the question: ? have any +of the SSTO concepts explored pressurized tankage such that the +launch configuration would be significantly different from the +reentry one? I have long been facinated by pnumatic structures +as conceived and built by Frei Otto and others, a ""ballon"" tank +SSTO sounds very clever. + +",14 +8350,"From: semmett@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Steve Emmett) +Subject: Moscow Aviation Institute summer school +Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA +Lines: 103 + +I have attached a copy of an announcement I picked up during my trip to +Moscow last week. I have several friends at the Moscow Aviation +Institute who have asked me to post this announcement. (I have done +some editing, but the contents is unchanged from the original +announcement.) + +For those of you not familiar with the Moscow Aviation Institute, it is +the leading Russian school of higher education dedicated to the training +of aircraft and spacecraft designers. It specializes in airframe +design, powerplant design, control systems, and power systems. +Virtually all of the major former Soviet airframe designers (Tupolev, +Su, Iluchine, Migoyan, etc.) were schooled at MAI. + +I had the opportunity to tour the two museums that are maintained at +MAI. The aircraft include Mig23, Su 27, Yak 38, the cockpit of an +F-111(!), among others. It was a fascinating and eye opening +experience, expecially given the fact that the museum was, until a year +or so ago, closed to virtually everyone. I also had the opportunity to +see some of the experiments being conducted with plasma drive engines +for future space craft use. + +If you have any questions about the Institute, or the program, I would +be glad to try and answer them. The institute, and most of it's faculty +have e-mail addresses. However, it takes about a day or so for the +receiver to get the message. They are still a bit antiquated - but they +are rapidly changing! + +Steve Emmett +semmett@gmuvax2.gmu.edu + +ps please send any questions you have for me via e-mail. George Mason +university has about a 2 week (!) delay in news feed delivery. + + +------------------------------------------------------------------- + + MOSCOW INTERNATIONAL AVIATION SCHOOL + +The aviation school ""Poljot"" (meaning Flight) is organized by the the +Moscow Aviation Institute, the prominent Russian Center of airspace +education and the foreign trade firm Poljot, well known in various +parts of the world for their quartz and mechanical wrist watches. + +The course of studies will last only 50 days, but during this time +you will have the unique opportunity: + - to listen to intensive courses on the main aviation +disciplines, the history and theory of techniques, and design of +airplanes; + - to visit and get acquainted with the world known Russian +aviation firms - TU, MiG, Yak, Il and Su; + - to meet and have discussions with famous aviation +scientists, engineers and pilots; + - to visit the most interesting museums of unique aviation +techniques which were closed for many years to the public; + - to see the International Airspace Show which will take +place in Moscow from 31 August through 3 September 1993; + - to visit famous art museums, historical and architectural +monuments, theatres and concert halls; + - to take part in sport competitions and have a great time +with new friends. + +The Director of the school is Mr. Oleg Samelovich, a well known +Russian scientist, professor, general designer and the Chief of the +Airplanes Design Department of the Moscow Aviation Institute. Mr. +Samelovich is one of the designers of the the Su-24, Su-25, and Su-27 + +The lectures are given in English, using a multi-media concept. The +students are provided with all the necessary text books and +literature. After the full course of studies are completed, the +student will receive a special certificate of graduation. + +The cost of studies, including hotel, meals, excursions, theatres, +etc is $3500. + +To apply for admission, send your application to: + +109147 Moscow Marksistskaja 34 +Foreign Trade Firm ""Poljot"" +274 00 13 (phone) +274 00 22 (FAX) +411989 POLEX SU (telex) + +In your application, include your full name, address, date and place +of birth. In addition, include complete passport information, as well +as a description of your education. + +Upon receipt of this information, ""Poljot"" will immediately forward +to you an official invitation for obtaining a Russian entrance visa +as well as details on payment. + +Should you require additional information, please do not hesitate to +contact us. + +(signed) O. Samelovich + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ + + +-- + +Steve Emmett semmett@gmuvax2.gmu.edu +------------------------------------------------------------------ +CSI/Physics, George Mason University +",14 +4767,"From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) +Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets +Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC +Lines: 21 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com +NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com + +In article 211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: +> +> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for +>certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church +>meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just +>pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I +>maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely +>passenger? + +If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a +crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size. If your +primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big +spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a +small one). + +--- +Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, + Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, +DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |""Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"" + (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do... + +",8 +1016,"From: diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) +Subject: Is there an FTP achive for USGS terrain data +Organization: Diablo Creative +Reply-To: diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) +X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 +Lines: 6 + +Is there an FTP archive for United States Geological Services (USGS) +terrain data? If so, where? + +-- +charles boesel @ diablo creative | If Pro = for and Con = against +cboesel@diablo.uu.holonet.net | Then what's the opposite of Progress? ++1.510.980.1958(pager) | What else, Congress. +",1 +9156,"From: rjs2@po.cwru.edu (Richard J. Szanto) +Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? +Reply-To: rjs2@po.cwru.edu (Richard J. Szanto) +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 27 + +In a previous article, randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu (Robert Anderson) says: + +>I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged +>couple become ""married"" in God's eyes? Some say that if the two have +>publically announced their plans to marry, have made their vows to God, and +>are unswervingly committed to one another (I realize this is a subjective +>qualifier) they are married/joined in God's sight. + +I have discussed this with my girlfriend often. I consider myself married, +though legally I am not. Neither of us have been with other people sexually, +although we have been with each other. We did not have sexual relations +until we decided to marry eventually. For financial and distance reasons, +we will not be legally married for another year and a half. Until then, +I consider myself married for life in God's eyes. I have faith that we +have a strong relationship, and have had for over 4 years, and will be +full of joy when we marry in a church. First, however, we must find a +church( we will be living in a new area when we marry, and will need to +find a new church community). + +Anyway, I feel that if two people commit to marriage before God, they are +married and are bound by that commitment. + +-- + -Rick Szanto +-Polk Speakers Rock -Computer Engineer +-Mac's Suck (Nothing Personal) -Case Western +-Zeta Psi Rules -Reserve University +",15 +11275,"From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree) +Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? +Organization: Red Barn Data Center +Lines: 83 + +In article bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: +>visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes: +>> +>> They cut off the water, there were no fire trucks present +> +>They refused to bring in fire equipment for fear that the firemen +>would be shot at. +> +>>and the FBI/ATF go blasting holes into the builing and firing gas munitions. +> +>They used a tank to knock a hole in the wall, and they released +>non-toxic, non-flammable tear gas into the building. + + Take a second look at ""non-toxic, non-flammable"": + + MACE (sold tothe public) is supposedly nontoxic. + Whatthey do not tell you is that if you get mace directly + on the linings of the lungs (such as a direct snort to + the face) above certain quantities, it reacts similarly + to a mustard gas inhalation. + + I know: my father and grandfather were exposed + to poison gas in WWI and WWII; Dad went through + the side effects of any WEAPON, including those + ""non-toxic"" aerosols. + + WHat the label ACTUALLY means is :: + + usually, it wont kill you + it may give you permanent CSS asthsma + but that's better than blowing a hole in your + head ... + + ALL aerosols are flammable IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH OXYGEN + AND HIT IT WITH THE RIGHT IGNITER. SOme of the most + non-flammable substances known will BOOM or SEARFLAME + if you hit it with the right combo. + + + Let's take one: a trash can fire. Makes black smoke; + already burned right? Can't go boom, right? Wrong. + + Suck that smoke (made up of paper that has carbonized, + or burned about 35% of the fuel in it) into an air + conditioning return, mix with about 5:1 air, and light + a match. 200 feet of conduit is about the same, when + filled with that smoke mixture, as oh, say 200 pounds TNT + + THAT is why the fire codes say NO OPEN CEILING + TILES IN BUILDINGS. Because 3-5 stories of + a building have blown OUT by ""nonflammable _smoke_"" + + So: + Take a little ""nonflammable aerosol"" + Mix with gasoline or kerosene fumes + + NO electricity, remeber? A bit of heating + on the WACO plains? Boil water to drink + since the water was cut off? + + liberally mix and allow to settle for 1-4 hours + + Fumes vent down into the bus underground, and the Davidians + move the children UPSTAIRS to a saferoom (they had one, + armor plated, remember?) to BREATH, because kids get sick + and die from tear gas. + + and along comes a tracer, a spark, what have you: + + everyone burns to death. + +Try thinking before opening mouth: it may not have happened the +way the Gmen say it did. + +> +>-- +>_/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun +>/_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire +>_/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent. +> / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre. +> / is that it ends. -- Rousseau + + +",19 +6153,"From: ""James J. Murawski"" +Subject: Re: Don Cherry - Coach's Corner summary - April 19, 1993 +Organization: Administrative Computing & Info Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 29 +NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu +In-Reply-To: + + +On 20-Apr-93 in Don Cherry - Coach's Corner.. +user Allan Sullivan@cs.UAlber writes: +>Next, a clip was shown from an earlier episode, in which Don was +>proclaiming Doug Gilmour to be the best player, not only in +>the NHL, but in the world. What about players like Lemieux? +>Don said that Gilmour was the best PLAYER, not ""Designated point getter"". +>Its not like baseball, where you have a ""designatted hitter"" who +>can score runs but can't play defense. Gilmour is a good two way player. + +This clip was shown on local news in Pittsburgh last night (KDKA), complete +with animated sarcasm by the sportscaster. It's the second time Cherry +has been shown on local Pittsburgh news in the last couple of weeks. Both +times he was blasting Lemieux. + + +==================================================================== + Jim Murawski + Sr. Software Engineer (412) 268-2650 [office] + Administrative Computing and (412) 268-6868 [fax] + Information Services jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu + Carnegie Mellon University Office: UCC 155 + 4910 Forbes Avenue + Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 + + ""Le Mieux! Le Magnifique! Soixante Six! Claude...NON!"" + +There are 1371 days until Clinton (Clinocchio) leaves office (1370 too many). + +",10 +1381,"From: dericks@plains.NoDak.edu (Dale Erickson) +Subject: Telix Problem +Article-I.D.: ns1.C5uMr8.Gyp +Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network +Lines: 9 +Nntp-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu + +When I use telix (or kermit) in WIN 3.1, or use telix after exiting windows +to dos, telix can not find the serial port. If you have some ideas on how +to solve this problem or where I can find further information, send me email +or send it to the news group. Thanks. + +Dale Erickson +dericks@plains.nodak.edu +-- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +",2 +371,"From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com +Subject: Re: Death Penalty / Gulf War (long) +Lines: 346 + +In article <930420.105805.0x8.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew writes: +> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: +>>In article <930419.115707.6f2.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew +>> writes: +>>> Which ""liberal news media"" are we talking about? +>> +>> Western news in general, but in particular the American ""mass media"": +>> CBS, NBC, ABC, etc. The general tone of the news during the whole +>> war was one of ""those poor, poor Iraqis"" along with ""look how precisely +>> this cruise missile blew this building to bits"". +> +> Most odd. Over here there was very little about the suffering of the Iraqi +> civilians until towards the end of the war; and then it was confined to the +> few remaining quality newspapers. + +True. At first, the news media seemed entranced by all the new gizmos +the military was using, not to mention the taped video transmissions from +the missiles as they zeroed in on their targets. But later, and especially +after the bunker full of civilians was hit, they changed their tone. It +seemed to me that they didn't have the stomach for the reality of war, +that innocent people really do die and are maimed in warfare. It's like +they were only pro-Gulf-War as long as it was ""nice and clean"" (smart +missiles dropping in on military HQs), but not when pictures of dead, +dying, and maimed civilians started cropping up. What naive hypocrites! + +> +>>>> How about all the innocent people who died in blanket-bombing in WW2? +>>>> I don't hear you bemoaning them! + +[ discussion about blanket-bombing and A-bombs deleted.] +>>> +>> All things considered, the fire-bombings and the atomic bomb were +>> essential (and therefore justified) in bringing the war to a quick + ^^^^^^^^^ +>> end to avoid even greater allied losses. + +I should have said here ""militarily justified"". It seems from your +comments below that you understood this as meaning ""morally justified"". +I apologize. + +> +> What about the evidence that America knew Japan was about to surrender after +> Hiroshima but *before* Nagasaki? Is that another lie peddled by the liberal +> media conspiracy? + +I have often wondered about this. I've always thought that the first bomb +should have been dropped on Japan's island fortress of Truk. A good, +inpenatrable military target. The second bomb could've been held back +for use on an industrial center if need be. But I digress. + +Yes, I have heard that we found evidence (after the war, BTW) that Japan +was seriously considering surrender after the first bomb. Unfortunately, +the military junta won out over the moderates and rejected the US's +ulimatum. Therefore the second bomb was dropped. Most unfortunate, IMO. + +> +>> I, for one, don't regret it. +> +> Nuke a Jap for Jesus! +> + +I don't regret the fact that sometimes military decisions have to be made +which affect the lives of innocent people. But I do regret the +circumstances which make those decisions necessary, and I regret the +suffering caused by those decisions. + +[...] + +>>> Why all the fuss about Kuwait and not East Timor, Bosnia, or even Tibet? +>>> If Iraq is so bad, why were we still selling them stuff a couple of weeks +>>> before we started bombing? +>> +>> I make no claim or effort to justify the misguided foreign policy of the +>> West before the war. It is evident that the West, especially America, +>> misjudged Hussein drastically. But once Hussein invaded Kuwait and +>> threatened to militarily corner a significant portion of the world's +>> oil supply, he had to be stopped. +> +> Oh, I see. So we can overlook his using chemical weapons on thousands of +> people, but if he threatens your right to drive a huge gas-guzzling car, +> well, the man's gotta go. + +Actually, it was the fact that both situations existed that prompted US +and allied action. If some back-water country took over some other +back-water country, we probably wouldn't intervene. Not that we don't +care, but we can't be the world's policman. Or if a coup had occured +in Kuwait (instead of an invasion), then we still wouldn't have acted +because there would not have been the imminent danger perceived to +Saudi Arabia. But the combination of the two, an unprovoked invasion +by a genocidal tyrant AND the potential danger to the West's oil +interests, caused us to take action. + +> +> [ I've moved a paragraph from here to later on ] +> + +[...] +>> +>> If we hadn't intervened, allowing Hussein to keep Kuwait, then it would +>> have been appeasement. +> +> Right. But did you ever hear anyone advocate such a course of action? Or +> are you just setting up a strawman? +> + +I'm not setting up a strawman at all. If you want to argue against the +war, then the only logical alternative was to allow Hussein to keep +Kuwait. Diplomatic alternatives, including sanctions, were ineffective. + +>>>> I guess we +>>>> shouldn't have fought WW2 either -- just think of all those innocent +>>>> German civilians killed in Dresden and Hamburg. +>>> +>>> Yes, do. Germans are human too, you know. +>> +>> Sure. What was truly unfortunate was that they followed Hitler in +>> his grandiose quest for a ""Thousand Year Reich"". The consequences +>> stemmed from that. +> +> Translation: ""They were asking for it"". +> +Well, in a sense, yes. They probably had no idea of what end Hitler +would lead their nation to. + +> But what about those who didn't support Hitler's dreams of conquest? It's +> not as if they democratically voted for all his policies. The NSDAP got 43% +> in the elections of 1933, and that was the last chance the German people got +> to vote on the matter. + +They suffered along with the rest. Why does this bother you so much? +The world is full of evil, and circumstances are not perfect. Many +innocents suffer due to the wrongful actions of others. It it regretable, +but that's The-Way-It-Is. There are no perfect solutions. + +[...] +>>> +>>> I look forward to hearing your incisive comments about East Timor and +>>> Tibet. +>> +>> What should I say about them? Anything in particular? +> +> The people of East Timor are still being killed by a dictatorship that +> invaded their country. Hell, even Western journalists have been killed. All +> this was happening before the Gulf War. Why didn't we send in the bombers to +> East Timor? Why aren't we sending in the bombers NOW? + +Probably because we're not the saviors of the world. We can't police each +and every country that decides to self-destruct or invade another. Nor +are we in a strategic position to get relief to Tibet, East Timor, or +some other places. +> +> [ Here's that paragraph I moved ] +> +>>> What's your intent? To sound like a Loving Christian? Well, you aren't +>>> doing a very good job of it. +>> +>> Well, it's not very ""loving"" to allow a Hussein or a Hitler to gobble up +>> nearby countries and keep them. Or to allow them to continue with mass +>> slaughter of certain peoples under their dominion. So, I'd have to +>> say yes, stopping Hussein was the most ""loving"" thing to do for the +>> most people involved once he set his mind on military conquest. +> +> The Chinese government has a policy of mandatory abortion and sterilization +> of Tibetans. Tibetan people are rounded up, tortured, and executed. Amnesty +> International recently reported that torture is still widespread in China. +> +> Why aren't we stopping them? In fact, why are we actively sucking up to them +> by trading freely with them? + +Tell me how we could stop them and I'll support it. I, for one, do not +agree with the present US policy of ""sucking up to them"" as you put it. +I agree that it is deplorable. + +> +>>>> And as for poor, poor Rodney King! Did you ever stop and think *why* +>>>> the jury in the first trial brought back a verdict of ""not guilty""? +>>> +>>> Yes. Amongst the things I thought were ""Hmm, there's an awful lot of white +>>> people in that jury."" +>> +>> So? It was the *policemen* on trial not Rodney King!! +> +> Erm, surely it's irrelevant who's on trial? Juries are supposed to represent +> a cross-section of the population. + +Are they? Or are they supposed to reflect the population of the locale +where the trial is held? (Normally this is where the crime is committed +unless one party or the other can convince the judge a change of venue +is in order.) I'm not an expert on California law, or even US law, but +it seems that this is the way the system is set up. You can criticize +the system, but let's not have unfounded allegations of racial +prejudice thrown around. + +> +>> And under American law they deserved a jury of *their* peers! +> +> You are saying that black people are not the peers of white people? + +No, not at all. The point is that the fact that there were no blacks +on the first jury and that Rodney King is black is totally irrelevant. + +> +>> This point (of allegedly racial motivations) is really shallow. +> +> This idea of people only being tried before a jury of people just like them +> is really stupid. Should the Nuremburg trials have had a jury entirely made +> up of Nazis? + +Germans, perhaps. ""Peers"" doesn't mean ""those who do the same thing"", +like having murderers judge murderers. It means ""having people from +the same station in life"", presumably because they are in a better +position to understand the defendent's motivation(s). + +> +>>>> Those who have been foaming at the mouth for the blood of those +>>>> policemen certainly have looked no further than the video tape. +>>>> But the jury looked at *all* the evidence, evidence which you and I +>>>> have not seen. +>>> +>>> When I see a bunch of policemen beating someone who's lying defenceless on +>>> the ground, it's rather hard to imagine what this other evidence might have +>>> been. +>> +>> So? It's ""hard to imagine""? So when has Argument from Incredulity +>> gained acceptance from the revered author of ""Constructing a Logical +>> Argument""? +> +> We're not talking about a logical argument. We're talking about a court of +> law. As the FAQ points out, some fallacious arguments are not viewed as +> fallacies in a court of law. + +OK, granted. However, you are using this reasoning as part of *your* +logical argument in this discussion. This is not a court of law. + +> +>> If the facts as the news commentators presented them are true, then +>> I feel the ""not guilty"" verdict was a reasonable one. +> +> Were you not talking earlier about the bias of the liberal media conspiracy? +> +The media is not totally monolithic. Even though there is a prevailing +liberal bias, programs such as the MacNeil-Lehrer News Hour try to give +a balanced and fair reporting of the news. There are even conservative +sources out there if you know where to look. (Hurrah for Rush!) + +BTW, I never used the word ""conspiracy"". I don't accept (without *far* +more evidence) theories that there is some all-pervading liberal +conspiracy attempting to take over all news sources. + +>>> ""Thou shalt not kill... unless thou hast a pretty good reason for killing, +>>> in which case thou shalt kill, and also kill anyone who gets in the way, +>>> as unfortunately it cannot be helped."" +>>> -- Jim Brown Bible for Loving Christians +>> +>> Thanks mathew, I like the quote. Pretty funny actually. (I'm a +>> Monty Python fan, you know. Kind of seems in that vein.) +>> +>> Of course, oversimplifying any moral argument can make it seem +>> contradictory. But then, you know that already. +> +> Ha ha, only serious. +> +> I, an atheist, am arguing against killing innocent people. +> +> You, a supposed Christian, are arguing that it's OK to kill innocent people +> so long as you get some guilty ones as well. + +Hardly. I didn't say that it's a Good Thing [tm] to kill innocent people +if the end is just. Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world and +there are no perfect solutions. If one is going to resist tyranny, then +innocent people on both sides are going to suffer and die. I didn't say +it is OK -- it is unfortunate, but sometimes necessary. + +> +> I, a moral relativist, am arguing that saturation bombing of German cities at +> the end of World War II was (as far as I can see) an evil and unnecessary act. + +I would agree that it was evil in the sense that it caused much pain +and suffering. I'm not so sure that it was unnecessary as you say. That +conclusion can only be arrived at by evaluating all the factors involved. +And perhaps it *was* unnecessary as (let's say) we now know. That doesn't +mean that those who had to make the decision to bomb didn't see it as +being necessary. Rarely can one have full known of the consequences of +an action before making a decision. At the time it may have seemed +necessary enough to go ahead with it. + +But don't assume that I feel the bombing was *morally* justified -- I +don't! I just don't condemn those who had to make a difficult +decision under difficult circumstances. + +> +> You, having criticised moral relativism in the past, are now arguing that I am +> in no position to judge the morality of allied actions at the end of the +> War. + +You certainly are not in such a position if you are a moral relativist. +I, as an absolutist, am in a position to judge, but I defer judgment. + +> You are arguing that the actions need to be assessed in the particular +> context of the time, and that they might have been moral then but not moral +> now. + +Wrong. They were neither moral then nor now. They seemed necessary to +those making the decisions to bring a quick end to the war. I simply +refuse to condemn them for their decision. +> +> Where's your Christian love? Where's your absolute morality? Oh, how quick +> you are to discard them when it suits you. As Ivan Stang would say, ""Jesus +> would puke!"" + +One day I will stand before Jesus and give account of every word and action; +even this discourse in this forum. I understand the full ramifications of +that, and I am prepared to do so. I don't believe that you can make the +same claim. + +> +> mathew + +And BTW, the reason I brought up the blanket-bombing in Germany was +because you were bemoaning the Iraqi civilian casualties as being +""so deplorable"". Yet blanket bombing was instituted because bombing +wasn't accurate enough to hit industrial/military targets in a +decisive way by any other method at that time. But in the Gulf War, +precision bombing was the norm. So the point was, why make a big +stink about the relatively few civilian casualties that resulted +*in spite of* precision bombing, when so many more civilians +(proportionately and quantitatively) died under the blanket bombing +in WW2? Even with precision bombing, mistakes happen and some +civilians suffer. But less civilians suffered in this war than +any other iany other in history! Many Iraqi civilians went about their lives +with minimal interference from the allied air raids. The stories +of ""hundreds of thousands"" of Iraqi civilian dead is just plain bunk. +Yes, bunk. The US lost 230,000 servicemen in WW2 over four years +and the majority of them were directly involved in fighting! But +we are expected to swallow that ""hundreds of thousands"" of +*civilian* Iraqis died in a war lasting about 2 months! And with +the Allies using the most precise bombs ever created at that! +What hogwash. If ""hundreds of thousands"" of Iraqi civilians died, +it was due to actions Hussein took on his own people, not due to +the Allied bombing. + +Regards, + +Jim B. + + +",0 +2120,"From: estasic@ic.sunysb.edu (Edward Stasic) +Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI (here we go again.....) +Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook +Lines: 13 +NNTP-Posting-Host: engws1.ic.sunysb.edu + +In article <1993Apr16.205724.26258@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> smace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Mace) writes: +> +>If you don't belive what I said about busmastering and vlbus then pick +>up a back issue of PC-week in whihc they tested vlbus, eisa and isa +>busmastering cards. +> +Do you recall which issue this was in? I posted a message related to this a +while back to provoke an argument so that I could get the straight dope on +this. This article would probably give me all the definitive answers that I +want. + +Ed Stasic +estasic@ic.sunysb.edu +",3 +4543,"From: sehrlich@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Scott R. Ehrlich) +Subject: Help find Stolen Car +Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA +Distribution: usa +Lines: 25 + + +I offered to relay this information for a ham friend of mine without +Internet access: + +His name is Robert (Bob) Wondolowski, N1KDA, and his car was a +1985 Brown Cutlas Sierra Sedan, Massachusetts plate 716ADL. + +His HT (Yaesu FT415) and mobile antenna were also included in the car. +It was stolen from Lynn, Mass. about 10 days ago (being on April 6). + +If anyone has any information about the car's whereabouts, please e-mail +me. + +Thank you for taking the time to read this message. + + +=============================================================================== +| Scott Ehrlich Internet: wy1z@world.std.com | +| Amateur Radio: wy1z Packet Radio: wy1z@k1ugm.ma.usa.na | +=============================================================================== +-- +=============================================================================== +| Scott Ehrlich Internet: wy1z@world.std.com | +| Amateur Radio: wy1z Packet Radio: wy1z@k1ugm.ma.usa.na | +=============================================================================== +",7 +7589,"From: kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) +Subject: Re: Smoker's Lungs +Article-I.D.: blue.7934 +Organization: University of Pittsburgh +Lines: 21 + +In article <1993Apr5.123315.48837@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> bennett@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: +>How long does it take a smoker's lungs to clear of the tar after quitting? +>Does your chances of getting lung cancer decrease quickly or does it take +>a considerable amount of time for that to happen? + +The answer to your first question is rather difficult to answer without +doing a lot of autopsies. The second question is something that's been +known for some time. It appears that within about 15 years of quitting +smoking a person's risk for developing lung cancer drops to that of the +person who never smoked (assuming you do not get lung cancer in the +interim!). The risk to someone who smoked the equivalent of a pack per +day for 40 years is around 20 times as high as a non-smoker. Still +rather low overall, but significant. Personally, I'd be more concerned +about heart disease secondary to smoking -- it's much more common, and +even a small increase in risk is significant there. + +-- +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= += Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh = += General Internal Medicine | ""...dammit, not a programmer! = +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +",13 +9836,"From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) +Subject: Cost/Benefit Analysis (was FBI Director's Statement...) +Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93 +Lines: 23 +NNTP-Posting-Host: nw12-326-1.mit.edu +In-reply-to: costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley) + + +In article <1993Apr20.212028.17463@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com>, +costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley) said: + +>> *sigh* I just DON'T understand why they couldn't have waited Koresh&Co +>> out. [jlpicard@austin.ibm.com] +> +> Uh, maybe because it was costing hundreds of thousands of dollars a +> day to just sit and wait. + +Yeah. We don't want to spend too much money preserving lives, after +all. Escpecially when they're all just a bunch of crazy fanatic +cultists anyway, instead of normal people. + +[The above is supposed to be dripping with sarcasm, but I'm too burned +out right now (get it? ""burned out"" ha ha!) to tell if it's working. +Look, folks, what David Koresh and his followers were was _broken_. It +takes a certain amount of flexibility and insanity to survive in this +world and they didn't have enough of it and that wasn't their fault. So +please stop dancing on their graves, okay?] + +-- William December Starr + +",16 +616,"From: Sean McMains +Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? +X-Xxmessage-Id: +X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 17: 49:34 GMT +Organization: University of North Texas +X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 +Lines: 23 + +In article <1993Apr15.144843.19549@rchland.ibm.com> Ricardo Hernandez +Muchado, ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com writes: +> And CD-I's CPU doesn't help much either. I understand it is +>a 68070 (supposedly a variation of a 68000/68010) running at something +>like 7Mhz. With this speed, you *truly* need sprites. + +Wow! A 68070! I'd be very interested to get my hands on one of these, +especially considering the fact that Motorola has not yet released the +68060, which is supposedly the next in the 680x0 lineup. 8-D + +Ricardo, the animation playback to which Lawrence was referring in an +earlier post is plain old Quicktime 1.5 with the Compact Video codec. +I've seen digitized video (some of Apple's early commercials, to be +precise) running on a Centris 650 at about 30fps very nicely (16-bit +color depth). I would expect that using the same algorithm, a RISC +processor should be able to approach full-screen full-motion animation, +though as you've implied, the processor will be taxed more with highly +dynamic material. +======================================================================== +Sean McMains | Check out the Gopher | Phone:817.565.2039 +University of North Texas | New Bands Info server | Fax :817.565.4060 +P.O. Box 13495 | at seanmac.acs.unt.edu | E-Mail: +Denton TX 76203 | | McMains@unt.edu +",1 +2001,"From: mikey@sgi.com (Mike Yang) +Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors +Nntp-Posting-Host: eukanuba.wpd.sgi.com +Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. +Lines: 12 + +In article <1qslfs$bm1@access.digex.net> rash@access.digex.com (Wayne Rash) writes: +>I also reviewed a new Nanao, the F550iW, which has just +>been released. + +What's the difference between the F550i and the new F550iW? I'm +about to buy a Gateway system and was going to take the F550i +upgrade. Should I get the F550iW instead? + +----------------------------------------------------------------------- + Mike Yang Silicon Graphics, Inc. + mikey@sgi.com 415/390-1786 + +",3 +2312,"From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jacob Rose) +Subject: Re: Position of 'b' on Erg. Keyboard +Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA +Lines: 17 +NNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu + +viralbus@daimi.aau.dk (Thomas Martin Widmann) writes: + +>So far I have only seen pictures of the new ergonomic keyboard, +>but it seems that the 'b' is placed on the left part after the split. +>However, when I learned typing in school some years ago, I was taught +>to write 'b' with my right hand. Is this a difference between Danish +>and American typing, or what??? + +It must be... ...I type it with my left hand. Personally, I would have +a real problem with my keyboard opened up like that, because I tend to +share some keys with both hands, particularly if I'm doing something else +with one hand (like using the cursor keys, mouse, or glass of Jolt). +-- +::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: +""Deej"" (Jacob Rose) :: Amazing but true: There is so much sand in Northern +jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu:: Africa that if spread out it would cover the Sahara. +::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: +",4 +3747,"From: steveg@bach.udel.edu (Steven N Gaudino) +Subject: Hard Drive for sale! +Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.udel.edu +Organization: University of Delaware +Distribution: usa +Lines: 6 + +I had posted this before, but the buyer fell through, so here goes again.... + +Western Digital Caviar 2200, 212 meg IDE HD, 3.5 inch drive. Has built in +cache (I believe it's 64k, but I'm not positive). Still in unopened, +original static bag. Asking $275, obo. + +",6 +10447,"From: tsif@ellis.uchicago.edu (Michael Tsifansky) +Subject: Re: How many israeli soldiers does it take to kill a 5 yr old child? +Reply-To: tsif@midway.uchicago.edu +Organization: University of Chicago +Lines: 30 + +In article hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes: +> +> steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel) writes: +> |> Q: How many occupying israeli soldiers (terrorists) does it +> |> take to kill a 5 year old native child? +> |> +> |> A: Four +> |> +> |> Two fasten his arms, one shoots in the face, +> |> and one writes up a false report. +> |> +> |> -- +> +>Can Nick Steel provide documentation for this alleged incident ? + +Probably not--he's just singing someone else's opera. He's good, too; perhaps he should get ""The Best Supporting Singer..."" + +I can give you a Q/A account that is well documented (just go back and reread some of the articles that appeared after this ""joke""): + +Q: How many antisemites does it take to come up with another anti-Israeli + provocation on the net? + +A: Just one. He'll fabricate a lie, and many more will applaud + +I would much prefer if Mr. Steel would refrain from this kind of jokes in the +future. They're not just offensive. They also have a very negative effect on +the state of things between Jews and Arabs. So thanks for nothing, clown! + +Mike. + +",17 +4221,"From: grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady) +Subject: Re: seating ergonomics - headroom +Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA +Lines: 14 + +In article <930411.153152.amiller@almaden.ibm.com> amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller) writes: +>My physical therapist has suggested that a good driving position +>for me is to have my back nearly vertical and for my knees not +>to be much higher than my hips. +> [...] +>Are there any cars that are particularly good in respect to +>having both headroom and a well designed seat height? + +Take a look at mini-vans. I sat in a Dodge Caravan, which had a high seat +and plenty of headroom. + +-- +Dick Grady Salem, NH, USA grady@world.std.com +So many newsgroups, so little time! +",7 +3736,"From: nave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Joe Nave) +Subject: C=64 SYSTEM FOR SALE - MAKE OFFER... +Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory +Distribution: usa +Lines: 24 + +FOR SALE: + +*** COMPLETE PACKAGE ONLY *** + +(1) COMMODORE C64 COMPUTER LIKE NEW IN THE BOX WITH POWER SUPPLY + AND OWNERS MANUALS +(2) COMMODORE 1541C DISK DRIVE LIKE NEW IN THE BOX - AND OWNERS + MANUAL +(3) COMMODORE 1702 COLOR MONITOR LIKE NEW AND OWNERS MANUAL +(4) PANASONIC KXP-1091 DOT MATRIX PRINTER LIKE NEW AND OWNERS + MANUAL +(5) PRINTER INTERFACE FOR PANASONIC PRINTER +(6) FASTLOAD CARTRIDGE +(7) HUGE STACK OF BOOKS ON C-64/1541 PROGRAMMING + + +MAKE A REASONABLE OFFER AND I'LL THROW IN 300+ DISKS OF SOFTWARE... + +Please reply in e-mail. + +-- +Joachim Nave nave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov +Jet Propulsion Laboratory +Pasadena, California DISCLAIMER: No, I don't speak for JPL! +",6 +8822,"From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) +Subject: Re: Weirdness of Early Christians +Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC +Lines: 58 + +Were the early Christians weird? Yes! So were their non-Christian +contemporaries (the more familiar you are with late Republican Rome +or the Pricipate, the weirder those people will seem -- forget the +creative filtering done by Renaissance and Eighteenth Century hero +worship.) So are modern non-Christians. And Christians. + +You are pretty weird, yourself, with your rather acid dismissal of +Luther and of Protestantism -- and in apparently buying into a +simplistic propaganda model about Catholicism *not* being faddish. +Sure, it's so large that global fads take longer cycles than they +do in smaller denominations (and local ones are not usually visible +unless you do a lot of traveling to exotic lands :-)). May I recom- +mend, as a salutary antidote to this nonsense Philippe Aries' book +_The Hour of our Death_, a longitudinal study of death customs in +Western [specifically Catholic] Christendom? + +And it won't help to escape into the obscurity of the first Christian +century. Paul was pretty weird, too; as were Peter and the others in +the (apparently quite weird) circle around Jesus. + +What I think you might find helpful is a bit more charity -- try to +understand these weirdos and nutcases with the same respect and love +you would expect others to show YOUR notions. We *are* commanded to +love one another, after all. And Brown's book is, in fact, a heroic +attempt to SEE the groupings he talks about as motivated in love and +the gospel and their social contexts. (If anything, Brown is *too* +heroic here -- he manages to overstrain himself at times :-)) + +I don't suggest that we *follow* any of these old cult paths -- and +it raises hard questions from the skeptic inside me that so much of +early Christianity *was* like the weird (Christian and non-Christian) +cults we see today. To that extent, I think you raise a serious +problem (and perhaps your phrasing is implicitly self-deprecatory +and ironic.) + +But the first principle for *answering* these questions is respect and +love for those we do not understand. And it helps to *work* at under- +standing (as long as we do not get overwhelmed by revulsion and begin +to withdraw our respect for them as people.) I would advise, in other +words, MORE historical reading (Brown's other books are also good, most +especially his bio. of Augustine; also try Robin Lane Fox's _Christians +and Pagans_, maybe the Paul Veyne ed. _History of Private Life_, some +of Foucault's books on sexuality in the ancient world ...) + +Humanity *is* weird -- we have known ONE sane person, and we killed Him. +Fortunately for us, this has proved a Comedy rather than a Tragedy. + +Easter, 1993. + +(yes; this is a tad early -- our Vigil service here has been moved forward +because so many churches in the area have taken to doing their own Vigils, +and the seminarians must therefore worship-and-run if they are to do it +here and there as well. Think of this as an Anglican fad. :-)) +-- +Michael L. Siemon We must know the truth, and we must +mls@ulysses.att.com love the truth we know, and we must + - or - act according to the measure of our love. +mls@panix.com -- Thomas Merton +",15 +3534,"From: reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us ( Reid Goldsborough) +Subject: Word processing utilities for sale +Keywords: software +Distribution: na +Organization: Philadelphia Area Computer Society +Lines: 60 + +These word processing utilities all include complete printed +manuals and registration cards. I need to get rid of some excess. +They're the latest versions. I've priced these programs at less +than half the list price and significantly less than the cheapest +mail-order price around. + +* GRAMMATIK 5 FOR WINDOWS, top-rated grammar checker, helps +you improve your writing by correcting grammar and usage +mistakes, now owned by WordPerfect, list $99, sale $45. + +* GRAMMATIK 5 FOR DOS, top-rated grammar checker, helps you +improve your writing by correcting grammar and usage +mistakes, now owned by WordPerfect, list $99, sale $45. + +* CORRECT GRAMMAR FOR WINDOWS 2.0, top-notch grammar +checker, from WordStar, list $119, sale $45. + +* CORRECT GRAMMAR FOR DOS 4.0, top-notch grammar checker, +from WordStar, list $99, sale $40. + +* CORRECT WRITING 1.0 FOR WINDOWS, online writing manual +from WordStar with tips about correct use of punctuation, +capitalization, compound words, numerals, bibliographies, +footnotes, and more, list $59, sale $25. + +* RANDOM HOUSE WEBSTER'S ELECTRONIC DICTIONARY & THESAURUS +FOR WINDOWS 1.0, unlike spell checkers provides online +definitions when you're not sure of a word's meaning, also +has larger thesaurus than most word processors for finding +just the right word, list $119, sale $55. + +* RANDOM HOUSE WEBSTER'S ELECTRONIC DICTIONARY & THESAURUS +FOR DOS 1.2, same functionality as Windows version, list +$119, sale $55. + +* WORD FINDER PLUS FOR WINDOWS 1.0, huge online thesaurus +with more than one million synonyms, list $59, sale $25. + +* RANDOM HOUSE ENCYCLOPEDIA FOR DOS 1.02, online encyclopedia +that you can use without needing a CD-ROM drive, easier to +use and less expensive than a book-based encyclopedia, takes +5.5 MB of hard disk space, list $119, sale $55. + +* HEADLINER 1.5, DOS-based database of great advertising and +other headlines, proverbs, idioms, song titles, movie titles, +and so on, great for advertising copywriters, newspaper +editors, and, others trying to come up with catchy phrases, +list $195, sale $90. + +* WRITER'S TOOLKIT FOR WINDOWS 2.0, amazing collection of +seven different word processing utilities in one package, +includes encyclopedia, great quotations, dictionary of +abbreviations, dictionary with definitions, thesaurus, usage +guide, and grammar checker, list $129, sale $65. + +If you're interested in any of these programs, please phone me at +215-885-7446 (Philadelphia), and I'll save the package for you. +-- +Reid Goldsborough +reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us +",6 +10206,"From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: From Israeli press. TORTURE. +Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500344:000:3833 +Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 16 16:50:00 1993 +Lines: 78 + + +From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: From Israeli press. TORTURE. + +/* Written 4:41 pm Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */ +/* ---------- ""From Israeli press. TORTURE."" ---------- */ +FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS. + +Newspaper: Ma'ariv Date: 18. December 1992 Author: Avi Raz + +Subject: Torture + +Title of article: Moderate physical pressure + +Several times in the course of the long hours in the interrogation +room in Tulkarm prison, during which he says he was humiliated, +beaten and tortured, Omar Daoud Jaber heard his interrogator, a +Shabak agent 'Captain Louis', chatting on the phone with his wife. +""At those moments"", Omar said, ""I felt that he was like a +humanbeing, but right after he finished talking, he would be beat +me and say, 'You listened to the conversation and enjoyed +yourself' and I understood that he was not really a human being"". + +In late October 1992, after 38 days in detention at Tulkarm +prison, Omar Jaber was released without charges. ""Among the Jews, +as among the Arabs, there are good people and bad people"", he said +after his release, ""but there, in Tulkarm, in the interrogations +rooms, you cannot find even one person about whom you can say that +he is a human being"". Although he left the detention installation +in Tulkarm bruised and humiliated (""I sat at home for ten days. My +hands shook from nerves""), one may consider Omar Jaber lucky: He +got out, not so healthy, but entire, and even ultimately returned +to normal functioning, at the small solar heater plant he owns. + +In contrast, Hassan Bader al-Zbeidi, for example, was released +seven weeks ago from detention in Tulkarm after 33 days in the +Shabak wing, cut off from his surroundings. He doesn't speak or +react. Mustafa Barakat, aged only 23, who was arrested in early +August and was brought to the Tulkarm detention installation, left +it one day later - dead. ""We have recently received an especially +large number of testimonies concerning cruel tortures employed at +the Tulkarm detention installation by Shabak interrogators"", noted +Dr. Niv Gordon, director of the Association of Israel and +Palestinian Physicians for Human Rights. (...) + +The right to complain against the Shabak does not excite Anan +Saber Makhlouf, a 20 year old student. In fact, he was extremely +fearful about describing the manner in which he was interrogated +in Tulkarm prison, in case the publication in the paper would +return him to detention and lead to renewed mistreatment. + +(...follow description of tortures....) + +Omar, a tall bearded man, was silent. ""I do not want to talk about +it"", he finally said, quietly. Some time later, embarrased and +ashamed, he spoke: ""Sometimes he beats you and beats you until +you'll kiss his hand, and not only his hand. Even the hands of +another interrogator, and another, whom he calls into the room, +and the last interrogator says:"" Now you are kissing my hand, and +later if I want, you will kiss my ass."" + +These things take place in an Israeli army detention installation, +located within the military government compound in Tulkarm (West +Bank). But the Shabak interrogation wing is a separate kingdom. In +early March the IDF allowed representatives of B'Tselem, the +Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Territories, to +visit Tulkarm prison, but denied them access to the interrogation +wing. ""The interrogation wing is Shabak property, being solely +under Shabak responsibility. All interrogations are performed by +it"", said Lieutnant Sharon Sho'an, the commander of the +installation, according to the internal report written by B'tselem +member, Yuval Ginbar, following the visit. Major David Pe'er, +governing commander of the prison system in the Central Command, +was quoted in the report: ""There is an ethical problem here - no +one can enter the interrogation wing"". + +Transl. by I. Shahak + +",17 +5669,"From: mjones@watson.ibm.com (Mike Jones) +Subject: Re: Jack Morris +Reply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com +Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. +Nntp-Posting-Host: fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com +Organization: IBM AIX/ESA Development, Kingston NY +Lines: 97 + +maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: +>In <1993Apr19.053221.11240@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: +>>In article <1993Apr19.024222.11181@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes: +>>>Hey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their +>>>fingers. +>>Yah. So? +>>>Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his +>>>future. +>>He certainly didn't earn his last one. *HOW* many games did he blow +>>in the World Series? All of the ones he started? +>He certainly did earn it! He was a valuable member of the Blue Jay team. + +Not particularly *in* the World Series. During the season, he was probably +more valuable than, say, putting Olerud out there to pitch, but yeah, he +*was* valuable in getting them there. In the postseason, he sucked dirty +canal water through a straw. The Jays won *in spite* of Morris much more +than *because of* him. + +>>>Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best signing. +>>Oh, yes. Definitely. Therefore Morris is better than Clemens. +>Your definition of ""better"" refers to some measurement on a scale that +>has nothing to do with winning WS rings. + +Umm, Roger? Return with us to those halcyon days of a few postings ago, +where the poster Valentine was replying to used # of WS rings as a measure +of better. The concept is called ""context"", and you should really become +familiar with it someday. + +>The facts are that Morris +>has shown us that he has what it takes to play on a WS winning club. +>Clemens hasn't. + +Unless this transaltes to ""Clemens hasn't gone into Lou Gorman's office with +a large caliber handgun and refused to come out until he'd been traded to +the Jays,"" I'm at a complete loss as to any possible meaning for it. + +>You can go on about what Clemens has done in the +>past and claim that he is ""better"" than Morris if you want to. But +>the facts are that Morris has shown us that he can win and Clemens +>hasn't. + +What on earth does this mean? Over their careers, Clemens has ""won"" 68% of +the games he's started, Morris 58%. Per year, Clemens has averaged nearly 17 +wins, Morris just under 15. Would you grant the proposition that preventing +the other team from scoring increases your chances of winning a game? If +so, then consider that Clemens allows 2.8 runs/9 innings pitched. Morris +allows nearly a run more per nine innings. In fact, Jack Morris has never in +his career had an ERA for a single year as good as Clemens' career ERA. But +I forget, in the Maynardverse there was obviously some mystical significance +to Buckner missing that grounder in 1986; had Morris been on the Sox, it +would have been a routine groundout, right? + +>Whether or not Clemens is better by your standard of measurement +>is totally meaningless. The object of the game is not to compile +>high figures in statistics that you have chosen to feel are important. +>The object of the game is to contribute to WS victories. But this +>has been patiently explained to you many, many times and you are +>either too stupid or too stubborn to grasp it. + +Speaking of stupid, it has been patiently (and not-so-patiently) explained to +you many times that attributing greatness to players based on the +accomplishments of their teams makes about as much sense as claiming that +a racecar has the most attractive paint job because it won the race. Your +continued failure to not only understand but even to intelligently reply to +any of the arguments presented leads me to the conclusion that you must have +spent a few too many games in goal without a mask. + +>>Don't give me that shit. If Boston had Alomar, Olerud, Henke, and +>>Ward while Toronto had Rivera, Jack Clark, Jeff Reardon, things would +>>have looked a little different last fall. Give credit where credit is +>>due. This lavishing of praise on Morris makes me sick. +>Yes and the dog would have caught the rabbit too...forget about what +>didn't happen and open your eyes, for once, and look out there and +>see what is REALLY happening. Forget about how Morris ""shouldn't"" +>have won 21 with an ERA over 4. +>When Morris pitched, last year, the Jays won. Stop crying about it and +>get on with life. + +No one is crying; the Jays won, and as a team they certainly deserved to win +at least the AL East. They performed well in two short series and won the +World Series, and I congratulate them for it. As a Red Sox fan, I hope they +keep Morris. I was happy when they picked up Stewart, and elated when they +traded for Darrin Jackson. You see, unless you believe in some mystical link +between Morris and the offense, you can hardly help but believe that the man +was credited with so many wins last year because he got lucky. Luck runs +out, just like it did in 1982 when he pitched 50-odd more innings than 1992, +gave up exactly *one* earned run more than in 1992, and went 17-16. + +Seriously, Roger, I'd really like to hear your explanation of the difference +between the 1982 Morris and the 1992 Morris. Which one was a better pitcher, +and why? Did Morris somehow ""learn how to win"" in the intervening ten years? +If so, then why did he go 18-12 in 1991 with Minnesota with an ERA over half +a run lower than 1992? + + Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com + +Don't be humble, you're not that great. +",9 +9802,"From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) +Subject: Janet Reno and ""Responsibility"" +Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting +Lines: 11 + +I see no difference between Janet Reno's claim of responsibility for +the Waco Massacre and the IRA's claims of responsibility for various +acts of terrorism against British citizens. + + +-- +Dave Feustel N9MYI + +I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes +to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the +federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds. +",16 +9954,"From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) +Subject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah!! +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 44 + +amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes: + +>In article eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: +>>amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes: +>> +>>>You know when Israelis F16 (thanks to General Dynamics) fly high in the sky +>>>and bomb the hell out of some village in Lebanon, where civilians including +>>>babies and eldery getting killed, is that plain murder or what? +>> +>>If you Arabs wouldn't position guerilla bases in refugee camps, artillery +>>batteries atop apartment buildings, and munitions dumps in hospitals, maybe +>>civilians wouldn't get killed. Kinda like Saddam Hussein putting civilians +>>in a military bunker. +>> +>>Ed. + +>Who is the you Arabs here. Since you are replying to my article you +>are assuming that I am an Arab. Well, I'm not an Arab, but I think you +>are brain is full of shit if you really believe what you said. The +>bombardment of civilian and none civilian areas in Lebanon by Israel is +>very consistent with its policy of intimidation. That is the only +>policy that has been practiced by the so called only democracy in +>the middle east! + +What the hell do you know about Israeli policy? What gives you the fiat +to look into the minds of Israeli generals? Has this 'policy of intimidation' +been published somewhere? For your information, the actions taken by Arabs, +specifically the PLO, were not uncommon in the Lebanon Campaign of 1982. My +brain is full of shit? At least I don't look into the minds of others and +make Israeli policy for them! + +>I was merley pointing out that the other side is also suffering. +>Like I said, I'm not an Arab but if I was, say a Lebanese, you bet +>I would defende my homeland against any invader by any means. + +Yeah, yeah, yeah. We all suffer. It's too bad that civilians get killed but +I will blame their Arab leaders who put them in positions of danger before I +will blame the Israelis. Just like Palestinians who send their children into +warzones to throw rocks at armed Israeli soldiers. What irresponsible parents! +As Golda Meir said, peace will only come when the Arabs start loving their +children more than they hate the Jews. + +Ed. + +",17 +5947,"From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) +Subject: Re: plus minus stat +Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca +Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA +Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada +Lines: 50 + + +In article 1676@mala.bc.ca, apland@mala.bc.ca (Ron Apland) writes: +>In article <1993Apr14.174139.6604@sol.UVic.CA>, gballent@vancouver.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes: +>> +>> To adjust +/-: +>> +>> 1. First calculate a teams +/-. (Goals Scored - PP Goals Scored) - +>> (Goals allowed - PP Goals Allowed (when they were penalty killing)). +>> +>> 2. Divide this number by 5 to take into account of the fact that there +>> are 5 players on the ice and each is 1/5 responsible for the team +/-. +>> +>> 3. A players adjusted +/- is (His raw +/-) - (Team Adjustment). +>> +>> BTW If anyone could calculate and post adjusted +/- ratings it would be +>> greatly appreciated. I might find the time to do so- but don't count on +>> it. +> +>I have a database filter set up for the player stats. When it is posted for +>the end of season I'll repost the team averages. You don't need to go through +>the complicated team adjustment you are using - all you need is the team +>average by summing all the individual players' +\- and divide by the total +>number of players on the team. This will be a little distorted because the +>players who have been traded recently will have come with +\- scores based +>on their original teams. This shouldn't distort it too bad though. If you +>want to look at individual players from this perspective then go ahead - +>you'll require the original player stats though. + +Question: +If a team uses 40 players in a season do you merely divide the total +/- +by 40? If so, a player who plays in only 1 game is considered equally +valuable as a player who plays in all of them. + +>Another way of looking at the same thing is to compare the deviation from +>the mean for the team of the player to the standard deviation for the team. +>I'll post both. + +Since the standard deviation for each team is different, I am unsure how +""transferable"" between teams that these stats are. Shouldn't the average +standard deviation in the league be used? + +I am interested in seeing each method. +But I still think that mine is the best. If for no other reason than familiarity. + +Gregmeister + + + + + +",10 +3190,"From: rcb5@wsinfo03.win.tue.nl (Richard Verhoeven) +Subject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window +Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands +Lines: 38 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: wsinfo03.win.tue.nl + +bading@cs.tu-berlin.de (Tobias 'Doping' Bading) writes: +> +> try this after XCreateWindow: +> ----------------------------- +> ... +> +> xsizehints->flags = USPosition | USSize; /* or = PPosition | PSize */ +> ... +> XSetWMNormalHints (display, window, xsizehints); +> ... +> +> These hints tell the window manager that the position and size of the window +> are specified by the users and that the window manager should accept these +> values. If you use xsizehints->flags = PPosition | PSize, this tells the window +> manager that the values are prefered values of the program, not the user. +> I don't know a window manager that doesn't place the window like you prefer +> if you specify the position and size like above. + +Sorry, but olwm and tvtwm don't do it. They place the title at that position +and the window at a position below it. + +This becomes a problem when you want a program to be able to save its current +configuration and restore is later. + +Currently, my solution is: + + XCreateWindow(...); + XSetWMProperties(..); + XMapWindow(...); + XFlush(...); + XMoveWindow(...); + + +It works with olwm, but is less than elegant. All this leaves me wondering +if I'm overlooking something obvious. + +Richard. + +",5 +8490,"From: wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu (David ""Fuzzy"" Wells) +Subject: Boom! Whoosh...... +Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. +Lines: 22 + + +And one of my profs is the chief engineer for the project (Dr. Ron +Humble, Univ. Colorado at Colorado Springs). + +I love the idea of an inflatable 1-mile long sign.... It will be a +really neat thing to see it explode when a bolt (or even better, a +Westford Needle!) comes crashing into it at 10 clicks a sec. + + Whooooooooshhhhhh...... + + + +I hear that it will supposedly coincide +with the Atlanta Olympics. + + Fuzzy. +=============================================================================== +_ __/| | Lt. David ""Fuzzy"" Wells | ""I want peace on earth, +\'o.O' | HQ AFSPACECOM/CNA | goodwill toward men."" +=(___)= | ""We do debris"" |""We're the government. We don't do that + U ...ack!| wdwells@esprit.uccs.edu | that sort of thing."" -SNEAKERS +=============================================================================== +",14 +1942,"From: schewe@fraser.sfu.ca (Tim Schewe) +Subject: $25.00 Network ??? +Summary: What is it?? +Keywords: network +Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada +Lines: 8 + +I have heard that there is something called a $25.00 Network that allows +two PC's to be networked by joining their serial ports. Does someone out +there know anything about this? I would greatly appreciate e-mail on this! + +Thanks! tschewe@first.etc.bc.ca + +:wq + +",3 +5284,"From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) +Subject: Re: Rickey Henderson +Article-I.D.: transfer.1psbdn$lru +Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com +Distribution: usa +Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA +Lines: 57 +NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com + +In article <1993Apr6.155118.5779@ra.msstate.edu> js1@Isis.MsState.Edu +(Jiann-ming Su) writes: +> In article +str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM (Todd Rader) writes: +> >Stay in school. You have a lot to learn. +> +> Learn what? I know that 3 million dollars is A LOT of money. I +know +> Rickey Henderson doesn't have a career out of baseball. I know if +he +> didn't have baseball, he wouldn't be making near the money he is +now. +> + +And Michael Jackson, Jack Nicholson, and Bill Cosby wouldn't be +making near as much money if they weren't entertainers. So what's +your point? + +> I just don't understand how some athlete, who only plays a sport +for a +> living for millions of dollars, say he is not being paid enough. +> +> If nobody will sign him for his asking price, he will be the one +hurting. +> The A's will still win without him. + +Will they? You can't usually take away one of the team's best +players and still expect them to win. Or do you think the +Pirates will continue to win without Barry Bonds. + +> +> Remeber, many of these athletes have NOTHING if not for their +athletic +> ability. NOTHING. They are getting paid MUCH more than most hard +working +> citizens, and they are complaining of not enough pay. + +So. Again, Jack Nicholson gets paid much more than most hard +working citizens (and much more than Rickey Henderson for that +matter). + +> +> I don't have a problem with them making millions. My problem is +when the +> say they aren't being paid enough, when they already get 3 +million--also, +> their numbers get worse. + +The reason the latter often happens is that many of these folks +start making the real big salaries late in their career, when they +are on the decline. (There are exceptions, of course. Dave Parker +fell apart after making his first million because he put most +of that million up his nose.) + +-- +Jim Mann +Stratus Computer jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com +",9 +10211,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) +Subject: Re: Israeli Expansion-lust +Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department +Lines: 13 + +In article <1993Apr14.224726.15612@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes: +>Jake Livni writes +>> Sam Zbib writes + +[all deleted...] + +Sam Zbib's posting is so confused and nonsensical as not to warrant a +reasoned response. We're getting used to this, too. + +-- +Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will +American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the +My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. +",17 +3722,"From: khcheng@unix.amherst.edu (KIM HONG CHENG) +Subject: Telepath 96/96 FAX/MODEM FOR GATEWAY +Organization: Amherst College +Lines: 7 +Nntp-Posting-Host: amhux3.amherst.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] + +GATEWAY Telepath 9600/9600 FAx/modem for gateway computer +with crosstalk, Winfax Pro 2.01 for windows +Never used. + +$170 shipped ($195 from gateway) + +Hong +",6 +5031,"From: rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) +Subject: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion +Summary: Advice wanted for when I take someone on the back of the moto. +Keywords: advice, pillion, help! +Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us +Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link +Distribution: na +Lines: 22 + +I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja. +This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride +(read: farther than around the block :-). We'll be riding some twisty, +fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans). + +This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much +of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go? +I want her to hold onto me :-) rather than the grab rail out back, and +I've heard that she should look over my shoulder in the direction we're +turning so she leans *with* me, but what else? Are there traditional +signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.??? + +I really want this to be a positive experience for us both, mainly so that +she'll want to go with me again, so any help will be appreciated... + +Thanks, + -Bob- +-- +Bob Wert rmw@genie.gene.com rwert@well.sf.ca.us +DoD#0302 AMA#510680 '90 Ninja 750R '89 Mustang 5.0LX + ...Seven turns on the highway, Seven rivers to cross, + Sometimes you feel like you can fly away, Sometimes you get lost... +",8 +5711,"From: barrym@informix.com (Barry Mednick) +Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? +Summary: a few names +Organization: Informix Software, Inc. +Lines: 9 + +In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: +>Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and +>we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish +>maybe John Lowenstein. +Lowenstein is NOT Jewish. However, there is a long list including +Hank Greenberg, Moe Berg, Rod Carew (a convert), the Sherry brothers, +Art Shamsky, and Ron Blomberg. + +Barry +",9 +6002,"From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) +Subject: USENET Hockey Draft week 27 standings +Organization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division +Lines: 276 + +Well, I'm back from Tokyo, so here are the standings after the April 13 update. + + - Andrew + +USENET Hockey Draft Standings +Week 27 + +Posn Team Pts Proj Cash Last Posn + +1. Dave Wessels 1536 1572.8 1.9 (1) +2. Bob Hill 1481 1538.1 24.0 (3) +3. Gilles Carmel 1492 1529.9 1.0 (2) +4. Seppo Kemppainen 1430 1514.0 47.2 (5) +5. The Awesome Oilers 1412 1504.4 68.6 (4) +6. Hillside Raiders 1456 1495.2 7.0 (7) +7. Mak ""The Knife"" Paranjape 1424 1491.7 31.0 (6) +8. Jan Stein 1412 1483.2 35.3 (8) +9. this years model 1428 1479.3 17.6 (10) +10. Rangers Of Destiny 1401 1475.9 42.0 (9) + Tapio Repo 1422 1475.9 19.6 (11) +12. FRANK'S BIG FISH 1398 1453.9 22.0 (12) +13. The Underachievers 1409 1452.9 10.1 (13) +14. On Thin Ice 1380 1440.9 32.3 (14) +15. Go Flames 1367 1438.1 40.3 (17) +16. littlest giants 1370 1437.7 35.6 (16) +17. Mopar Muscle Men 1400 1431.4 3.7 (18) +18. Lindros Losers 1396 1431.2 1.7 (15) +19. DIE Penguin Bandwaggoners 1357 1411.0 20.2 (19) +20. Samuel Lau (Calgary, Alberta) 1360 1396.3 4.9 (20) +21. Boomer's Boys 1341 1371.6 0.2 (23) +22. General Accounting Office 1316 1369.4 20.9 (21) +23. Delaware Wombats 1341 1367.5 1.3 (24) +24. Migods Menschen 1307 1366.8 31.6 (22) +25. Wellsy's Buttheads DEC NH 1280 1362.3 52.6 (25) +26. Rocky Mountain High 1325 1357.2 1.8 (26) +27. Fife Flyers 1283 1348.4 31.4 (27) +28. Gerald Olchowy 1275 1340.2 33.7 (28) +29. Dave Snell 1281 1335.7 25.0 (59) +30. Fluide Glacial 1291 1333.7 18.0 (29) +31. Gaoler 1279 1321.5 11.2 (30) +32. SmegHeads 1289 1315.8 0.3 (31) +33. The Young And The Skateless 1235 1305.6 42.9 (32) +34. Sam & His Dogs 1262 1297.3 11.6 (34) +35. Neural Netters 1251 1294.2 11.3 (35) +36. Youngbucs 1206 1288.1 101.7 (36) +37. Artic Storm 1220 1287.7 39.3 (33) +38. Soft Swedes 1205 1281.5 46.9 (37) +39. Jeff Horvath 1239 1268.6 5.6 (38) +40. Milton Keynes Kings 1229 1262.5 2.8 (40) +41. Hamster from Hoboken 1223 1257.0 8.7 (41) + Kuehn Crushers 1185 1257.0 45.1 (45) +43. Le Fleur de Lys 1202 1256.9 25.3 (42) +44. Yan The Man Loke 1225 1255.5 0.7 (39) +45. Legion of Hoth 1208 1251.1 15.8 (48) +46. Simmonac 1169 1249.4 87.6 (44) +47. The Finnish Force 1192 1245.1 22.5 (46) +48. ice legion 1193 1244.8 28.8 (43) +49. Streaks 1161 1242.8 54.8 (47) +50. Brian Bergman 1190 1241.0 23.3 (55) +51. Goaldingers 1190 1239.3 22.0 (49) +52. T C OverAchievers 1209 1237.0 2.9 (52) +53. Grant Marven 1196 1231.2 2.9 (50) +54. Bozrah Bruins 1155 1223.9 45.2 (54) +55. Real Bad Toe Jam 1150 1223.4 48.9 (62) +56. Houdini's Magicians 1181 1222.4 18.3 (61) +57. Skriko Wolves 1186 1221.5 5.4 (53) +58. rec.sport.hockey choices 1196 1221.1 1.3 (63) +59. buffalo soldiers 1142 1220.3 62.1 (65) +60. bemybaby 1140 1219.9 54.2 (51) +61. LIPPE 1179 1215.2 13.9 (56) +62. Randy Coulman 1185 1214.8 5.2 (57) +63. LAMP LIGHTERS 1180 1211.6 5.9 (58) +64. Steven And Mark Dream Team 1174 1206.2 3.1 (60) +65. Indianapolis Bennies 1160 1205.4 20.8 (66) +66. Tom 1160 1202.8 13.1 (68) +67. Bloom County All Stars 1164 1198.8 4.3 (67) +68. Bruins 1174 1198.5 0.1 (72) +69. Phil and Kev's Karma Dudes 1172 1198.0 0.8 (69) +70. smithw 1146 1194.5 21.0 (73) +71. Iowa Hockeyes 1149 1193.8 16.3 (64) +72. Doug Bowles 1146 1190.6 20.0 (71) +73. The Great Pumpkin 1108 1187.3 54.4 (74) +74. NON! 1145 1186.4 16.4 (77) +75. shooting seamen 1161 1183.3 0.1 (75) +76. Frank Worthless 1149 1182.7 6.3 (76) +77. AIK Exiles 1116 1179.8 34.5 (70) +78. Invisible Inc 1156 1177.4 1.1 (78) +79. Brad Gibson 1126 1176.9 27.2 (79) +80. Cougarmania 1114 1165.7 24.8 (88) +81. Kortelaisen Kovat 1086 1165.2 164.1 (85) +82. PLP Fools 1135 1163.1 0.1 (81) +83. David Wong 1082 1161.6 66.1 (84) +84. John Zupancic 1102 1160.7 27.1 (82) +85. garryola 1121 1159.4 9.7 (89) +86. Gary Bergman Fan Club 1128 1157.6 5.1 (93) +87. Staffan Axelsson 1120 1157.1 15.1 (83) +88. Chubby Checkers 1110 1156.2 16.3 (80) +89. Derrill's Dastardly Dozen 1109 1155.0 22.1 (90) +90. Chocolate Rockets 1121 1150.7 2.5 (86) +91. Ken DeCruyenaere 1113 1147.9 5.0 (87) +92. Fisher Dirtbags 1119 1147.4 0.7 (94) +93. KODIAKS 1122 1146.0 1.3 (95) +94. No Namers 1067 1145.8 58.2 (91) +95. The Campi Machine 1061 1145.2 65.3 (92) +96. BSC Oranienburg 1115 1142.4 7.1 (98) +97. The Kamucks 1064 1141.5 76.1 (97) +98. Arsenal Maple Leafs 1108 1138.4 3.8 (96) +99. Ellis Islanders 1096 1128.0 7.6 (100) +100. Mombasa Mosquitos 1090 1122.4 6.1 (101) +101. Zachmans Wingers 1051 1122.1 49.8 (103) +102. Edelweiss 1091 1121.0 2.9 (102) +103. Bjoern Leaguen 1039 1118.5 61.4 (112) +104. Dirty White Socks 1050 1116.5 43.4 (105) +105. Wormtown Woosbags 1039 1116.1 72.6 (104) +106. Neil Younger 1036 1115.0 77.7 (114) +107. Hurricane Andrew 1082 1114.8 7.6 (106) +108. King Suke 1089 1114.5 0.1 (110) +109. Larry 1078 1114.3 11.8 (107) +110. Het Schot Is Hard 1076 1113.6 18.1 (115) +111. VoteNoOct26 1056 1112.6 31.8 (108) +112. Bloodgamers 1046 1111.6 42.1 (99) + Bruce's Rented Mules 1077 1111.6 11.9 (108) +114. Teem Kanada 1075 1110.6 16.0 (111) +115. Frank's Follies 1063 1106.5 24.2 (113) +116. Oklahoma Stormchasers 1053 1103.6 28.3 (121) +117. SPUDS 1068 1103.4 12.6 (119) +118. Pond Slime 1081 1102.3 0.7 (117) +119. PSV Dartmouth 1071 1101.4 7.1 (116) +120. Mark Sanders 1065 1099.2 11.1 (120) +121. Blue Talon 1062 1096.5 13.3 (126) +122. Stanford Ice Hawks 1043 1094.7 28.2 (118) +123. Aye Carumba!!! 1063 1089.6 3.9 (124) +124. Kokudo Keikaku Bunnies 1021 1088.0 40.3 (125) +125. Timo Ojala 1059 1085.7 0.3 (122) +126. Haral 1057 1085.3 7.3 (128) +127. Cluster Buster 1048 1083.4 7.6 (136) +128. Dirty Rotten Puckers 1054 1082.7 1.2 (135) +129. Apricot Fuzzfaces 1037 1081.1 23.3 (127) +130. The Lost Poots 1048 1080.5 6.7 (132) +131. Nesbitt 1058 1078.6 1.1 (123) +132. Gary Bill Pens Dynasty 1035 1077.8 19.6 (144) +133. garys team 1035 1076.2 17.1 (129) +134. Arctic Circles 1012 1074.1 37.6 (131) +135. Seattle PFTB 1028 1074.0 22.9 (132) +136. Late Night with David Letterman 1049 1073.7 0.0 (130) +137. Le Groupe MI 1020 1073.2 30.2 (141) +138. GO BRUINS 1046 1072.7 6.2 (140) +139. Scott Glenn 1038 1069.7 10.2 (138) +140. Flying Kiwis 1035 1068.7 9.1 (136) +141. team gold 1029 1067.4 16.7 (142) +142. Closet Boy's Boys 995 1064.6 48.0 (143) +143. Wild Hearted Sons 1036 1064.4 4.9 (153) +144. boutch 92-93 1023 1063.2 20.0 (134) +145. Andy Y F WONG 1019 1062.6 21.5 (147) + Wembley LostWeekenders 1040 1062.6 0.3 (152) +147. McKees Rocks Rockers 1036 1062.4 5.1 (144) +148. Book 'em Danno's Bushbabies 1032 1062.1 10.5 (163) +149. Dree Hobbs 1020 1060.2 13.4 (139) +150. GO HABS GO 1027 1058.1 8.0 (151) +151. Goddess Of Fermentation 1005 1057.8 30.2 (156) +152. Tim Rogers 1024 1056.8 8.1 (146) +153. convex stars 1026 1055.9 5.6 (160) +154. Einstein's Rock Band 1033 1055.7 0.0 (154) +155. Princeton Canucks 979 1055.5 124.2 (150) +156. Tap 1028 1055.2 0.5 (155) +157. Hubert's Hockey Homeboys 1030 1053.9 0.6 (163) + Buttered Waffles 981 1053.9 46.0 (148) +159. MY TEAM 977 1052.0 174.8 (162) +160. Bob's Blues 980 1050.9 46.8 (149) +161. furleys furies 1021 1046.6 3.6 (159) +162. HUNTERS & COLLECTORS 982 1045.9 42.4 (157) + Les Nordiques 974 1045.9 60.4 (161) +164. Satan's Choice 1012 1045.3 14.5 (173) +165. Dr Joel Fleishman 1020 1043.9 3.7 (158) +166. Sundogs 1017 1040.9 0.4 (166) +167. Pierre Mailhot 1017 1039.9 2.6 (175) +168. Slap Shot Marco 966 1037.8 51.8 (168) +169. San Jose Mahi Mahi 989 1037.6 31.8 (178) +170. The Leafs Rule!!!! 990 1037.3 25.8 (174) +171. Jeff Nimeroff 963 1036.5 48.8 (167) +172. Stimpy ADG Zeta 996 1035.2 21.0 (178) +173. The Dreamers 958 1034.6 63.7 (170) +174. East City Jokers 956 1033.7 69.1 (171) +175. Daryl Turner 1008 1033.1 2.4 (169) +176. riding the pine 988 1031.8 20.7 (165) +177. Flowers 957 1030.4 113.6 (172) +178. Darse Billings 975 1029.3 34.7 (185) +179. Chappel's Chumps 984 1027.9 24.0 (186) +180. LANA Inc 982 1027.2 27.3 (182) +181. Spinal Tap 963 1026.6 41.4 (177) +182. JimParker 949 1025.9 179.0 (187) +183. Enforcers 980 1023.9 28.1 (189) +184. Jeff Bachovchin 949 1020.7 46.7 (180) + Big Bad Bruins 981 1020.7 18.5 (183) +186. Mike Mac Cormack Sydney NS CAN 944 1020.6 107.2 (184) +187. Bulldogs 973 1019.7 23.4 (181) +188. voyageurs 996 1017.2 2.7 (176) +189. Absolut Lehigh 984 1015.4 8.9 (190) +190. Republican Dirty Tricksters 930 1010.4 66.0 (188) +191. Henry's Bar B Q 990 1007.7 0.7 (197) +192. Dr.D And The S.O.D. 968 1007.3 17.1 (192) +193. Bunch of Misfits 957 1006.9 23.8 (193) +194. Robyns Team 955 1005.5 30.0 (198) +195. Yellow Plague 969 1003.4 14.2 (191) +196. Ninja Turtles 982 1003.0 1.3 (194) +197. Team Melville 930 999.1 46.9 (199) +198. Acadien 962 998.6 18.3 (201) +199. DARMAN'S Dragons 950 998.4 28.3 (209) +200. Kuta Papercuts 961 998.2 18.5 (207) +201. Great Expectations 972 998.0 2.3 (195) +202. Cobra's Killers 942 996.4 31.7 (205) +203. Cherry Bombers 971 995.6 1.2 (196) +204. Jayson's Kinky Pucks 943 989.9 26.9 (204) +205. Killer Apes 947 989.7 24.3 (208) +206. Kaufbeuren Icebreakers 929 989.1 37.6 (202) +207. Umpire 4 life 950 987.8 11.1 (200) +208. Roger Smith 927 987.0 39.6 (210) +209. Firebirds 960 983.8 3.9 (203) +210. Those 1st few weeks hurt! 905 982.9 55.9 (211) +211. IKEA Wholesale 958 982.0 1.7 (213) +212. Outlaws 903 975.6 164.9 (206) +213. The 200 Club 944 969.4 6.8 (219) +214. Thundering Herd 887 966.7 163.6 (212) +215. Believe it or dont 926 966.6 21.1 (214) +216. Creeping Death 924 965.7 21.3 (217) +217. Knee Injuries 932 965.6 10.4 (218) +218. 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The Ice Holes 890 912.7 2.7 (246) +243. SANDY'S SABRES 886 910.8 4.7 (244) +244. Daves Team 858 910.7 32.0 (241) +245. South Carolina Tiger Paws 835 909.0 78.4 (243) +246. Florida Tech Burgh Team 844 908.9 49.3 (245) +247. Leos Blue Chips 874 902.5 10.4 (247) +248. For xtc 874 900.0 8.2 (248) +249. roadrunners 861 899.7 18.5 (249) +250. Mudville Kings 851 897.8 27.6 (250) +251. New Jersey Rob 876 894.2 0.7 (253) +252. Redliners 856 893.3 15.9 (251) +253. Pat Phillips 859 887.6 10.1 (252) +254. Stewart Clamen 851 869.6 1.6 (254) +255. Demon Spawn 820 866.1 25.0 (255) +256. Sunnyvale Storm 804 818.4 0.2 (256) +257. Allez les Blues 738 809.1 476.9 (257) +258. Up For Sale Hockey Club 749 789.4 23.0 (258) +259. Petes Picks 721 788.0 168.5 (259) +260. RINACO 709 781.8 114.0 (260) +261. Brenz Revenge 691 713.3 4.0 (261) +262. Dinamo Riga 595 663.9 571.6 (262) +-- +Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com +HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 + +During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old... +",10 +840,"From: jk87377@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Kouhia Juhana) +Subject: XV problems +Organization: Tampere University of Technology +Lines: 113 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi + +[Please, note the Newsgroups.] + +Recent discussion about XV's problems were held in some newsgroup. +Here is some text users of XV might find interesting. +I have added more to text to this collection article, so read on, even +you so my articles a while ago. + +I hope author of XV corrects those problems as best he can, so fine +program XV is that it is worth of improving. +(I have also minor ideas for 24bit XV, e-mail me for them.) + +Any misundertanding of mine is understandable. + + +Juhana Kouhia + + +==clip== + +[ ..deleted..] + +Note that 'xv' saves only 8bit/rasterized images; that means that +the saved jpegs are just like jpeg-to-gif-to-jpeg quality. +Also, there's three kind of 8bit quantizers; your final image quality +depends on them too. + +This were the situation when I read jpeg FAQ a while ago. + +IMHO, it is design error of 'xv'; there should not be such confusing +errors in programs. +There's two errors: + -xv allows the saving of 8bit/rasterized image as jpeg even the + original is 24bit -- saving 8bit/rasterized image instead of + original 24bit should be a special case + -xv allows saving the 8bit/rasterized image made with any quantizer + -- the main case should be that 'xv' quantizes the image with the + best quantizer available before saving the image to a file; lousier + quantizers should be just for viewing purposes (and a special cases + in saving the image, if at all) + +==clip== + +==clip== + +[ ..deleted..] + +It is limit of *XV*, but not limit of design. +It is error in design. +It is error that 8bit/quantized/rasterized images are stored as jpegs; +jpeg is not designed to that. + +As matter of fact, I'm sure when XV were designed 24bit displays were +known. It is not bad error to program a program for 8bit images only +at that time, but when 24bit image formats are included to program the +whole design should be changed to support 24bit images. +That were not done and now we have + -the program violate jpeg design (and any 24bit image format) + -the program has human interface errors. + +Otherway is to drop saving images as jpegs or any 24bit format without +clearly saying that it is special case and not expected in normal use. + +[ ..deleted.. ] + +==clip== + +Some new items follows. + +==clip== + +I have seen that XV quantizes the image sometimes poorly with -best24 +option than with default option we have. +The reason surely is the quantizer used as -best24; it is (surprise) +the same than used in ppmquant. + +If you remember, I have tested some quantizers. In that test I found +that rlequant (with default) is best, then comes djpeg, fbmquant, xv +(our default) in that order. In my test ppmquant suggeeded very poorly +-- it actually gave image with bad artifacts. + +I don't know is ppmquant improved any, but I expect no. +So, use of XV's -best24 option is not very good idea. + +I suggest that author of XV changes the quantizer to the one used in +rlequant -- I'm sure rle-people gives permission. +(Another could be one used in ImageMagick; I have not tested it, so I +can say nothing about it.) + +==clip== + +==clip== + +Some minor bugs in human interface are: + +Key pressings and cursor clicks goes to a buffer; Often it happens +that I make click errors or press keyboard when cursor is in the wrong +place. It is very annoying when you have waited image to come about +five minutes and then it is gone away immediately. +The buffer should be cleaned when the image is complete. + +Also, good idea is to wait few seconds before activating keyboard +and mouse for XV after the image is completed. +Often it happens that image pops to the screen quickly, just when +I'm writing something with editor or such. Those key pressings +then go to XV and image has gone or something weird. + +In the color editor, when I turn a color meter and release it, XV +updates the images. It is impossible to change all RGB values first +and then get the updated image. It is annoying wait image to be +updated when the setting are not ready yet. +I suggest of adding an 'apply' button to update the exchanges done. + +==clip== +",1 +9180,"From: Gene.Gross@lambada.oit.unc.edu (Gene Gross) +Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? +Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service +Lines: 60 + +In article oser@fermi.wustl.edu (Scott Oser) writes: +> +>And the two simplest refutations are these: +> +>(1) What impact? The only record of impact comes from the New Testament. +>I have no guarantee that its books are in the least accurate, and that +>the recorded ""impact"" actually happened. I find it interesting that no other +>contemporary source records an eclipse, an earthquake, a temple curtain +>being torn, etc. The earliest written claim we have of Jesus' resurrection +>is from the Pauline epistles, none of which were written sooner than 20 years +>after the supposed event. + +First, off I'd say that the impact if right before your eyes! 8-) That we are +even discussing this is a major impact in and of itself. Further, the early +church bears testimony to the impact. + +>(2) It seems probable that no one displayed the body of Jesus because no +>one knew where it was. I personally believe that the most likely +>explanation was that the body was stolen (by disciples, or by graverobbers). +>Don't bother with the point about the guards ... it only appears in one +>gospel, and seems like exactly the sort of thing early Christians might make +>up in order to counter the grave-robbing charge. The New Testament does +>record that Jews believed the body had been stolen. If there were really +>guards, they could not have effectively made this claim, as they did. + +Of course they knew where it was. Don't forget that Jesus was seen by both +the Jews and the Romans as a troublemaker. Pilate was no fool and didn't +need the additional headaches of some fishermen stealing Jesus' body to +make it appear He had arisen. Since Jesus was buried in the grave of a +man well know to the Sanhedrin, to say that they didn't know where He was +buried begs the question. + +Now, you say that you think that the disciples stole the body. But think on +this a moment. Would you die to maintain something you KNEW to be a +deliberate lie!? If not, then why do you think the disciples would!? Now, I'm +not talking about dying for something you firmly believe to be the truth, +but unbeknown to you, it is a lie. Many have done this. No, I'm talking about +dying, by beheading, stoning, crucifixion, etc., for something you know to +be a lie! Thus, you position with regards to the disciples stealing the +body seems rather lightweight to me. + +As for graverobbers, why risk the severe penalties for grave robbing over +the body of Jesus? He wasn't buried with great riches. So, again, this is +an argument that can be discounted. + +That leaves you back on square one. What happened to the body!? + +IHL, Gene + +-- + The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of + North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information + Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. + internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 + +[Again, let me comment that the most plausible non-Christian scenario, +and the one typically suggested by sceptics who are knowledgeable +about the NT, is that the resurrection was a subjective event, and the +empty tomb stories are a result of accounts growing in the telling. +--clh] +",15 +8391,"From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) +Subject: Into Infinity?(WAS:Re: *Doppelganger* (was Re: Vulcan?) +In-Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu's message of 15 Apr 1993 22:22:19 GMT +Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland +X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 +Lines: 36 + +In <1qkn6rINNett@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu writes: + +> In article <1993Apr15.170048.1@fnalf.fnal.gov>, higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes: +> +> >This was known as *Journey to the Far Side of the Sun* in the United +> >States and as *Doppelganger* in the U.K... Later, they went +> >on to do more live-action SF series: *UFO* and *Space: 1999*. +> > +> >The astronomy was lousy, but the lifting-body spacecraft, VTOL +> >airliners, and mighty Portugese launch complex were *wonderful* to +> >look at. + +Exactly. Some of the SPACE:1999 effects remain first-rate even today. + +> They recycled a lot of models and theme music for UFO. Some of the +> concepts even showed up in SPACE: 1999. +> + +Later on, the Andersons tried to shed their reputation as creators of some +of the worst pseudo-scientific shows in TV history by flying ""Into Infinity."" +This was a one-off thing done as part of BBC's ""educational SF"" series ""The +Day After Tomorrow."" The Anderson episode dealt with a spaceship capable of +reaching the speed of light (""lightship Altares""), the four-man crew eventually +journeyed into a black hole and ended up on the far side of the galaxy (I +think). I saw this as a 9-year-old back in 1976 and liked it very much, but +then again I was a fan of SPACE:1999 so I guess I was easily satisfied in those +days:-) +--- +Does anyone know if ""Into Infinity"" has been released on video? I have some +SPACE:1999 shows on VHS and know that Thunderbirds etc. also are available in +England. + +MARCU$ +> +> Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? +> -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- +",14 +8679,"Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. +From: thacker@rhea.arc.ab.ca +Organization: Alberta Research Council +Nntp-Posting-Host: rhea.arc.ab.ca +Lines: 13 + +In article , enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes: + +<<>> + +> What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that +> it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night). + +> Really, really depressed. +> +> Enzo + +No need to be depressed about this one. Lights aren't on during the day +so there shouldn't be any daytime light pollution. +",14 +116,"From: mathew +Subject: Re: mathew writes: +>>>Perhaps we shouldn't imprision people if we could watch them closely +>>>instead. The cost would probably be similar, especially if we just +>>>implanted some sort of electronic device. +>>Why wait until they commit the crime? Why not implant such devices in +>>potential criminals like Communists and atheists? +> +> Sorry, I don't follow your reasoning. You are proposing to punish people +> *before* they commit a crime? What justification do you have for this? + +Look up ""irony"", Keith. + + +mathew +",0 +7730,"From: dmp@fig.citib.com (Donna M. Paino) +Subject: Psoriatic Arthritis - Info Needed Please! +Originator: dmp@eagle +Organization: Citibank IBISM +Lines: 34 + + + +A friend of mine has been diagnosed with Psoriatic Arthritis, as a result of +trauma sustained in a car accident several years ago. The psoriasis is under +control but the arthritis part of the illness is not. + +Ansaid (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory) worked pretty well for three years but +isn't helping much now. My friend is now taking Meclomen (another NSAID) but +this isn't helping control the pain at all. In the past two months my friend +has also started taking Azulfadine along with the NSAID medicines, but the +effects of the combined drugs aren't supposed to be realized for several months. + +As a result of the pain, my friend is having problems sleeping. Staying in +one position too long is an ordeal. Another major contributor to pain is that +tendonitis has now developed (left thumb and hand with numbness at the base of +the palm; bottom of feet; shoulders and outer thighs). The tendonitis is +quite painful yet my friend's doctor has not recommended any form of treatment +to relieve it. + +The latest twist is that the doctor has dropped the anti-inflammatories and is +now recommending Prednisone. The hope is that the Prednisone will relieve some +of the pain from the tendonitis. + +My friend is a 41 year old male who feels like he's 80 (his words, not mine). + + +If anyone is aware of any new treatments for Psoriatic Arthritis, alternative +courses of action, support groups or literature on it, I would be extremely +grateful if you could e-mail to me. If anyone is interested, I'll post a +summary to this newsgroup. + +thanks in advance, +Donna +dmp@fig.citib.com +",13 +11024,"From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith ""Justified And Ancient"" Cochran) +Subject: Re: Flaming Nazis +X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University + of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither + control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. +Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. +Lines: 38 + +In article <1993Apr18.020655.14233@news.cs.brandeis.edu> deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes: +>Okay, I'll bite. I should probably leave this alone, but what the heck... +> +>In article <1993Apr14.124301.422@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>, +>gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes: +>>In article popec@brewich.hou.tx.us +>>(Pope Charles) writes: +>> +>>>Rhoemer was the name of the guy responsible for much of the uniforms, +>>>and props used by the early Nazis in their rallies and such. +>> +>>The name is Roehm, not Rhoemer. And Hitler does claim that he came up +>>with the Swastika business. +> +>But didn't he credit the actual flag design to a party member - some dentist or +>other? I believe he gives such credit in Mein Kampf. +> +>>>He was killed in an early Nazi purge. He and many of his associates +>>>were flaming homosexuals well know also for their flamboyant orgies. +>> +>>I have been trying to find if there is any actual evidence for this +>>common assertion recently. Postings to such groups as soc.history and +>>soc.culture.german has not uncovered any net.experts who could provide +>>any. +> +>Well, I'm no expert, but all of the histories of Nazi Germany assert this. They +>make reference to several scandals that occurred long before ""the night of the +>long knives"". The impression that I got was that homosexuality in portions of +>the SA was common knowledge. Also, a book (by a homosexual author whose name +>escapes me at the moment) called ""Homosexuals in History"" asserts that Roehm +>and Heines were homosexuals, as well as others in Roehm's SA circle. + +[Rest deleted. Can anybody out in a.p.h help out?] + +Find out about ""the night of the brown shirts"". +-- +=kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu | B(0-4) c- d- e++ f- g++ k(+) m r(-) s++(+) t | TSAKC= +=My thoughts, my posts, my ideas, my responsibility, my beer, my pizza. OK???= +",19 +8317,"From: stephens@geod.emr.ca (Dave Stephenson) +Subject: Re: Clementine Science Team Selected +Nntp-Posting-Host: ngis.geod.emr.ca +Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa +Lines: 32 + +nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes: + +>In article stephens@geod.emr.ca (Dave Stephenson) writes: + +> Remember the first government scientist in the British Empire was +> the Astronomer Royal, who was paid [...] from the Department +> of Ordinance Budget (i.e. the military). Flamsteed House (the original +> RGO) was built out of Army Surplus Scrap ( A gate house at the Tower of +> London ?), and paid for by the sale of time expired gunpowder [...] + +>At the time, astronomy was vital to the military, in that navigation +>and cartography were of primary impoortance to the military, and good +>cartography was impossible without good astronomy. + +>The relevance these daysis somewhat less obvious. + +>Nick + +It still applies, except the astronomy these days is Very Long Baseline +Radio Astronomy coupled to GPS and Satellite Laser Ranging. The data +from NASA's and the Naval Observatory's (among others) is a vital +source of data for studies into crustal dynamics, Earth rotation, and +purturbations. Every time there is a leap second added to the New Year, +remember the military and science are still co-habiting nicely. The +same VLBI was used to track Gallileo as it passed the Earth, and used +so little fuel that it can afford to observe Ida. + +-- +Dave Stephenson +Geodetic Survey of Canada +Ottawa, Ontario, Canada +Internet: stephens@geod.emr.ca +",14 +3807,"From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White) +Subject: Re: eXpEn$iVe MOTOROLA Handheld Radio For Peanuts! +Nntp-Posting-Host: smassimini-mac.mitre.org +Organization: The MITRE Corporation +Distribution: na +Lines: 23 + +Jeff Later writes: +> MOTOROLA EXPO VHF 2WATT/2CHAN. HT--------[new]-------$1200.00 +> Would like $400, or BEST OFFER!!! + +I'm sure that the Motorola is worth it, but this kind of thing +has always mystified me. $400 is the price of very good, new +dual-band, fully synthasized HT. Yes, yes, I know Motorola +HTs are bullet-proof, unbreakable, plutonium-based +indestructable -- you can drive a tank over them and they'll +still work. But just how often does that come up? Why are hams +willing (and they *are*) to spend the price of a synthaszied +dual-bander for a 2-channel xtal rig??? Note: this is not +a flame; as I said, I'm sure this is a good deal for this rig. +I'm just amazed that it *is* a good deal. I would have guessed +that a 2 channel xtal rig could never be worth as much as a dual- +bander to a ham, no matter how durable. Just shows you how wrong +*I* can be. + +Mike, N4PDY + +****************************** +* These are my opinions only.* +****************************** +",6 +300,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) +Subject: Re: <, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: +|> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes: +|> +|> >>Look, I'm not the one that made those Nazi comparisons. Other people +|> >>compared what the religious people are doing now to Nazi Germany. They +|> >>have said that it started out with little things (but no one really knew +|> >>about any of these ""little"" things, strangely enough) and grew to bigger +|> >>things. They said that the motto is but one of the little things +|> >You just contradicted yourself. The motto is one of those little things that +|> >nobody has bothered mentiopning to you, huh? +|> +|> The ""`little' things"" above were in reference to Germany, clearly. People +|> said that there were similar things in Germany, but no one could name any. +|> They said that these were things that everyone should know, and that they +|> weren't going to waste their time repeating them. Sounds to me like no one +|> knew, either. I looked in some books, but to no avail. + +That's not true. I gave you two examples. One was the rather +pevasive anti-semitism in German Christianity well before Hitler +arrived. The other was the system of social ranks that were used +in Imperail Germany and Austria to distinguish Jews from the rest +of the population. + +Neither of these were very terrible in themselves, but both helped +to set a psychology in which the gradual disenfranchisement of Jews +was made easier. + +jon. +",0 +192,"From: mathew +Subject: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Frequently Asked Questions +Summary: Please read this file before posting to alt.atheism +Keywords: FAQ, atheism +Expires: Fri, 14 May 1993 09:39:55 GMT +Distribution: world +Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. +Supersedes: <19930315114603@mantis.co.uk> +Lines: 733 + +Archive-name: atheism/faq +Alt-atheism-archive-name: faq +Last-modified: 5 April 1993 +Version: 1.1 + + Alt.Atheism Frequently-Asked Questions + +This file contains responses to articles which occur repeatedly in +alt.atheism. Points covered here are ones which are not covered in the +""Introduction to Atheism""; you are advised to read that article as well +before posting. + +These answers are not intended to be exhaustive or definitive. The purpose of +the periodic FAQ postings is not to stifle debate, but to raise its level. If +you have something to say concerning one of these questions and which isn't +covered by the answer given, please feel free to make your point. + +Overview of contents: + + ""What is the purpose of this newsgroup?"" + ""Hitler was an atheist!"" + ""The Bible proves it"" + ""Pascal's Wager"" + ""What is Occam's Razor?"" + ""Why it's good to believe in Jesus"" + ""Why I know that God exists"" + ""Einstein and ""God does not play dice"""" + ""Everyone worships something"" + ""Why there must be a causeless cause"" + ""The universe is so complex it must have been designed"" + ""Independent evidence that the Bible is true"" + ""Godel's Incompleteness Theorem"" + ""George Bush on atheism and patriotism"" + ""I know where hell is!"" + ""Biblical contradictions wanted"" + ""The USA is a Christian nation"" + ""The USA is not a Christian nation"" + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- + +Subject: What is the purpose of this newsgroup? + +Typical posting: + +Why have a newsgroup about atheism? Why do atheists organize in groups? +What is there to discuss? + +Response: + +Many things are discussed here, including: + +* Whether it is reasonable to feign theism in order to avoid upsetting one's + family +* Prayer in schools +* Discrimination against atheists +* Sunday trading laws +* The Satanic Child Abuse myth +* Whether one should be an overt atheist or 'stay in the closet' +* How religious societies prey (sic) on new college students +* How to get rid of unwanted proselytizers +* Whether religion is a danger to society and/or the individual +* Why people become atheists + +Of course, inevitably alt.atheism tends to attract evangelical Christians +looking for someone to convert. Most readers of the newsgroup don't +want to be preached to, although a few seem to derive perverse pleasure +from tearing apart particularly ill-considered or uninformed postings. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: Hitler was an atheist! + +Typical posting: + +Hitler was an atheist, and look at what he did! + +Response: + +Adolf Hitler was emphatically not an atheist. As he said himself: + + The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in + his own denomination, of making _people_stop_just_talking_ + superficially_of_God's_will,_and_actually_fulfill_God's_will,_and_ + not_let_God's_word_be_desecrated._[orig. ital.] + + For God's will gave men their form, their essence, and their + abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the + Lord's creation, the divine will. Therefore, let every man be + active, each in his own denomination if you please, and let every + man take it as his first and most sacred duty to oppose anyone who + in his activity by word or deed steps outside the confines of his + religious community and tries to butt into the other. + + [...] + + Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will + of the Almighty Creator: _by_defending_myself_against_the_Jew,_I_am_ + fighting_for_the_work_of_the_Lord._[orig. ital.] + + -- Adolf Hitler, from ""Mein Kampf"", trans. Ralph Mannheim. + +Of course, someone bad believing something does not make that belief +wrong. It's also entirely possible that Hitler was lying when he claimed +to believe in God. We certainly can't conclude that he's an atheist, +though. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: The Bible proves it + +Typical posting: + +In the Bible it says that... + +Response: + +Most of the readers of alt.atheism feel that the Bible is of questionable +accuracy, as it was written thousands of years ago by many authors who were +recording oral tradition that existed many years before. Thus, any claimed +'truth' in it is of questionable legitimacy. This isn't to say that The +Bible has no truth in it; simply that any truth must be examined before being +accepted. + +Many of the readers of this group also feel that because any passage is +subject to ""interpretation"", any claim that a passage 'means' one thing and +one thing only is not legitimate. + +Note that this feeling tends to extend to other books. + +It is also remarkable to many atheists that theists tend to ignore other +equally plausible religious books in favour of those of their own religion. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: Pascal's Wager + +Typical posting: + +If you believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you have lost nothing -- +but if you don't believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you will go to +hell. Therefore it is foolish to be an atheist. + +Response: + +This argument is known as Pascal's Wager. It has several flaws. + +Firstly, it does not indicate which religion to follow. Indeed, there are +many mutually exclusive and contradictory religions out there. This is often +described as the ""avoiding the wrong hell"" problem. If a person is a +follower of religion X, he may end up in religion Y's version of hell. + +Secondly, the statement that ""If you believe in God and turn out to be +incorrect, you have lost nothing"" is not true. Suppose you're believing in +the wrong God -- the true God might punish you for your foolishness. +Consider also the deaths that have resulted from people rejecting medicine in +favour of prayer. + +Another flaw in the argument is that it is based on the assumption that +the two possibilities are equally likely -- or at least, that they are of +comparable likelihood. If, in fact, the possibility of there being a God +is close to zero, the argument becomes much less persuasive. So sadly the +argument is only likely to convince those who believe already. + +Also, many feel that for intellectually honest people, belief is based on +evidence, with some amount of intuition. It is not a matter of will or +cost-benefit analysis. + +Formally speaking, the argument consists of four statements: + + 1. One does not know whether God exists. + 2. Not believing in God is bad for one's eternal soul if God does + exist. + 3. Believing in God is of no consequence if God does not exist. + 4. Therefore it is in one's interest to believe in God. + +There are two approaches to the argument. The first is to view 1 as an +assumption, and 2 as a consequence of it. One problem with this approach, in +the abstract, is that it creates information from no information. This is +considered invalid in information theory. Statement 1 indicates one has no +information about God -- but statement 2 indicates that beneficial information +can be gained from the absolute lack of information about God. This violates +information entropy -- information has been extracted from no information, at +no ""cost"". + +The alternative approach is to claim that 1 and 2 are both assumptions. The +problem with this is that 2 is then basically an assumption which states the +Christian position, and only a Christian will agree with that assumption. The +argument thus collapses to ""If you are a Christian, it is in your interests +to believe in God"" -- a rather vacuous tautology, and not the way Pascal +intended the argument to be viewed. + +The biggest reason why Pascal's wager is a failure is that if God is +omniscient he will certainly know who really believes and who believes as +a wager. He will spurn the latter... assuming he actually cares at all +whether people believe in him. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: What is Occam's Razor? + +Typical posting: + +People keep talking about Occam's Razor. What is it? + +Response: + +William of Occam formulated a principle which has become known as Occam's +Razor. In its original form, it said ""Do not multiply entities +unnecessarily."" That is, if you can explain something without supposing +the existence of some entity, then do so. + +Nowadays when people refer to Occam's Razor, they generally express it +more generally, for example as ""Take the simplest solution"". + +The relevance to atheism is that we can look at two possible explanations +for what we see around us: + +1. There is an incredibly intricate and complex universe out there, which +came into being as a result of natural processes. + +2. There is an incredibly intricate and complex universe out there, and +there is also a God who created the universe. Clearly this God must be +of non-zero complexity. + +Given that both explanations fit the facts, Occam's Razor might suggest +that we should take the simpler of the two -- solution number one. +Unfortunately, some argue that there is a third even more simple solution: + +3. There isn't an incredibly intricate and complex universe out there. +We just imagine that there is. + +This third option leads us logically towards solipsism, which many people +find unacceptable. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: Why it's good to believe in Jesus + +Typical posting: + +I want to tell people about the virtues and benefits of my religion. + +Response: + +Preaching is not appreciated. + +Feel free to talk about your religion, but please do not write postings that +are on a ""conversion"" theme. Such postings do not belong on alt.atheism and +will be rejected from alt.atheism.moderated (try the newsgroup +talk.religion.misc). + +You would doubtless not welcome postings from atheists to your favourite +newsgroup in an attempt to convert you; please do unto others as you would +have them do unto you! + +Often theists make their basic claims about God in the form of lengthy +analogies or parables. Be aware that atheists have heard of God and know the +basic claims about him; if the sole purpose of your parable is to tell +atheists that God exists and brings salvation, you may as well not post it, +since it tells us nothing we have not been told before. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: Why I know that God exists + +Typical posting: + +I *know* from personal experience and prayer that God exists. + +Response: + +Just as many theists have personal evidence that the being they worship +exists, so many atheists have personal evidence that such beings do not +exist. That evidence varies from person to person. + +Furthermore, without wishing to dismiss your evidence out of hand, many +people have claimed all kinds of unlikely things -- that they have been +abducted by UFOs, visited by the ghost of Elvis, and so on. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: Einstein and ""God does not play dice"" + +Typical posting: + +Albert Einstein believed in God. Do you think you're cleverer than him? + +Response: + +Einstein did once comment that ""God does not play dice [with the universe]"". +This quotation is commonly mentioned to show that Einstein believed in the +Christian God. Used this way, it is out of context; it refers to Einstein's +refusal to accept the uncertainties indicated by quantum theory. Furthermore, +Einstein's religious background was Jewish rather than Christian. + +A better quotation showing what Einstein thought about God is the following: +""I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of +what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of +human beings."" + +Einstein was unable to accept Quantum Theory because of his belief in an +objective, orderly reality; a reality which would not be subject to random +events and which would not be dependent upon the observer. He believed that +QM was incomplete, and that a better theory would have no need for +statistical interpretations. So far no such better theory has been found, +and much evidence suggests that it never will be. + +A longer quote from Einstein appears in ""Science, Philosophy, and Religion, A +Symposium"", published by the Conference on Science, Philosophy and Religion +in Their Relation to the Democratic Way of Life, Inc., New York, 1941. In +it he says: + + ""The more a man is imbued with the ordered regularity of all events + the firmer becomes his conviction that there is no room left by the side + of this ordered regularity for causes of a different nature. For him + neither the rule of human nor the rule of divine will exists as an + independent cause of natural events. To be sure, the doctrine of a + personal God interfering with natural events could never be + *refuted* [italics his], in the real sense, by science, for this + doctrine can always take refuge in those domains in which scientific + knowledge has not yet been able to set foot. + + But I am convinced that such behavior on the part of representatives + of religion would not only be unworthy but also fatal. For a doctrine + which is to maintain itself not in clear light but only in the dark, + will of necessity lose its effect on mankind, with incalculable harm + to human progress. In their struggle for the ethical good, teachers + of religion must have the stature to give up the doctrine of a personal + God, that is, give up that source of fear and hope which in the past + placed such vast power in the hands of priests. In their labors they + will have to avail themselves of those forces which are capable + of cultivating the Good, the True, and the Beautiful in humanity + itself. This is, to be sure, a more difficult but an incomparably + more worthy task..."" + +Einstein has also said: + + ""It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religous convictions, + a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a + personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. + If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the + unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our + science can reveal it."" + +The latter quote is from ""Albert Einstein: The Human Side"", edited by Helen +Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, and published by Princeton University Press. +Also from the same book: + + ""I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics + to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind + it."" + +Of course, the fact that Einstein chose not to believe in Christianity does +not in itself imply that Christianity is false. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: Everyone worships something + +Typical posting: + +Everyone worships something, whether it's money, power or God. + +Response: + +If that is true, everyone is a polytheist. Theists care just as much about +those things that atheists care about. If the atheists' reactions to (for +example) their families amount to worship then so do the theists'. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: Why there must be a causeless cause + +Typical posting: + +Sets of integers that have a lower bound each have a smallest member, so +chains of causes must all have a first element, a causeless cause. + +Response: + +The set of real numbers greater than zero has a definite lower bound, but has +no smallest member. + +Further, even if it is true that there must be a causeless cause, that does +not imply that that cause must be a conscious supernatural entity, and +especially not that any such entity must match the description favoured by +any particular religion. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: The universe is so complex it must have been designed + +Typical posting: + +The presence of design in the universe proves there is a God. Surely you +don't think all this appeared here just by chance? + +Response: + +This is known as the Argument From Design. + +It is a matter of dispute whether there is any element of design in the +universe. Those who believe that the complexity and diversity of living +creatures on the earth is evidence of a creator are best advised to read the +newsgroup talk.origins for a while. + +There is insufficient space to summarize both sides of that debate here. +However, the conclusion is that there is no scientific evidence in favour of +so-called Scientific Creationism. Furthermore, there is much evidence, +observation and theory that can explain many of the complexities of the +universe and life on earth. + +The origin of the Argument by Design is a feeling that the existence of +something as incredibly intricate as, say, a human is so improbable that +surely it can't have come about by chance; that surely there must be some +external intelligence directing things so that humans come from the chaos +deliberately. + +But if human intelligence is so improbable, surely the existence of a mind +capable of fashioning an entire universe complete with conscious beings must +be immeasurably more unlikely? The approach used to argue in favour of the +existence of a creator can be turned around and applied to the Creationist +position. + +This leads us to the familiar theme of ""If a creator created the universe, +what created the creator?"", but with the addition of spiralling +improbability. The only way out is to declare that the creator was not +created and just ""is"" (or ""was""). + +From here we might as well ask what is wrong with saying that the universe +just ""is"" without introducing a creator? Indeed Stephen Hawking, in his book +""A Brief History of Time"", explains his theory that the universe is closed +and finite in extent, with no beginning or end. + +The Argument From Design is often stated by analogy, in the so-called +Watchmaker Argument. One is asked to imagine that one has found a watch on +the beach. Does one assume that it was created by a watchmaker, or that it +evolved naturally? Of course one assumes a watchmaker. Yet like the +watch, the universe is intricate and complex; so, the argument goes, the +universe too must have a creator. + +The Watchmaker analogy suffers from three particular flaws, over and above +those common to all Arguments By Design. Firstly, a watchmaker creates +watches from pre-existing materials, whereas God is claimed to have +created the universe from nothing. These two sorts of creation are +clearly fundamentally different, and the analogy is therefore rather weak. + +Secondly, a watchmaker makes watches, but there are many other things in +the world. If we walked further along the beach and found a nuclear +reactor, we wouldn't assume it was created by the watchmaker. The argument +would therefore suggest a multitude of creators, each responsible for a +different part of creation. + +Finally, in the first part of the watchmaker argument we conclude that +the watch is not part of nature because it is ordered, and therefore +stands out from the randomness of nature. Yet in the second part of the +argument, we start from the position that the universe is obviously not +random, but shows elements of order. The Watchmaker argument is thus +internally inconsistent. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: Independent evidence that the Bible is true + +Typical posting: + +The events of the New Testament are confirmed by independent documentary +evidence. For example... + +Response: + +The writings of Josephus are often mentioned as independent documentary +evidence. + +Early versions of Josephus's work are thought not to have mentioned Jesus or +James; the extant version discusses John in a non-Christian context. Many +scholars believe that the original mentioned Jesus and James in passing, but +that this was expanded by Christian copyists. Several ""reconstructions"" of +the original text have been published to this effect. + +Much information appears in the Ecclesiastical History of Eusebius (about 320 +C.E.). It is worthless as historical material because of the deliberate +falsification of the wily Eusebius who is generally acknowledged as 'the +first thoroughly dishonest historian of antiquity.' It is Eusebius who is +generally given the title of authorship for this material. + +Aside from the New Testament, the biographical information about Jesus is +more well-documented. For further information, please consult the Frequently +Asked Questions file for the newsgroup soc.religion.christian. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: Godel's Incompleteness Theorem + +Typical posting: + +Godel's Incompleteness Theorem demonstrates that it is impossible for the +Bible to be both true and complete. + +Response: + +Godel's First Incompleteness Theorem says that in any consistent formal +system which is sufficiently expressive that it can model ordinary +arithmetic, one can formulate expressions which can never be proven to be +valid or invalid ('true' or 'false') within that formal system. (Technically +speaking, the system must also be recursive; that is, there must be a decision +procedure for determining whether a given string is an axiom within the formal +system.) + +Essentially, all such systems can formulate what is known as a ""Liar +Paradox."" The classic Liar Paradox sentence in ordinary English is ""This +sentence is false."" Note that if a proposition is undecidable, the formal +system cannot even deduce that it is undecidable. + +The logic used in theological discussions is rarely well defined, so claims +that Godel's Incompleteness Theorem demonstrates that it is impossible to +prove or disprove) the existence of God are worthless in isolation. + +One can trivially define a formal system in which it is possible to prove the +existence of God, simply by having the existence of God stated as an axiom. +This is unlikely to be viewed by atheists as a convincing proof, however. + +It may be possible to succeed in producing a formal system built on axioms +that both atheists and theists agree with. It may then be possible to show +that Godel's Incompleteness Theorem holds for that system. However, that +would still not demonstrate that it is impossible to prove that God exists +within the system. Furthermore, it certainly wouldn't tell us anything about +whether it is possible to prove the existence of God generally. + +Note also that all of these hypothetical formal systems tell us nothing about +the actual existence of God; the formal systems are just abstractions. + +Another frequent claim is that Godel's Incompleteness Theorem demonstrates +that a religious text (the Bible, the Book of Mormon or whatever) cannot be +both consistent and universally applicable. Religious texts are not formal +systems, so such claims are nonsense. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: George Bush on atheism and patriotism + +Typical posting: + +Did George Bush really say that atheists should not be considered citizens? + +Response: + +The following exchange took place at the Chicago airport between Robert I. +Sherman of American Atheist Press and George Bush, on August 27 1988. Sherman +is a fully accredited reporter, and was present by invitation as a member of +the press corps. The Republican presidential nominee was there to announce +federal disaster relief for Illinois. The discussion turned to the +presidential primary: + + RS: ""What will you do to win the votes of Americans who are atheists?"" + + GB: ""I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in + God is important to me."" + + RS: ""Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of + Americans who are atheists?"" + + GB: ""No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, + nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under + God."" + + RS: ""Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation + of state and church?"" + + GB: ""Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not + very high on atheists."" + +UPI reported on May 8, 1989, that various atheist organizations were +still angry over the remarks. + +The exchange appeared in the Boulder Daily Camera on Monday February 27, +1989. It can also be found in ""Free Enquiry"" magazine, Fall 1988 issue, +Volume 8, Number 4, page 16. + +On October 29, 1988, Mr. Sherman had a confrontation with Ed Murnane, +cochairman of the Bush-Quayle '88 Illinois campaign. This concerned a +lawsuit Mr. Sherman had filed to stop the Community Consolidated School +District 21 (Chicago, Illinois) from forcing his first-grade Atheist son to +pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States as ""one nation under God"" +(Bush's phrase). The following conversation took place: + + RS: ""American Atheists filed the Pledge of Allegiance lawsuit yesterday. + Does the Bush campaign have an official response to this filing?"" + + EM: ""It's bullshit."" + + RS: ""What is bullshit?"" + + EM: ""Everything that American Atheists does, Rob, is bullshit."" + + RS: ""Thank you for telling me what the official position of the Bush + campaign is on this issue."" + + EM: ""You're welcome."" + +After Bush's election, American Atheists wrote to Bush asking him to retract +his statement. On February 21st 1989, C. Boyden Gray, Counsel to the +President, replied on White House stationery that Bush substantively stood by +his original statement, and wrote: + + ""As you are aware, the President is a religious man who neither supports + atheism nor believes that atheism should be unnecessarily encouraged or + supported by the government."" + +For further information, contact American Atheist Veterans at the American +Atheist Press's Cameron Road address. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: I know where hell is! + +Typical posting: + +I know where Hell is! Hell is in Norway! + +Response: + +There are several towns called ""Hell"" in various countries around the +world, including Norway and the USA. Whilst this information is mildly +amusing the first time one hears it, readers of alt.atheism are now +getting pretty fed up with hearing it every week. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: Biblical contradictions wanted + +Typical posting: + +Does anyone have a list of Biblical contradictions? + +Response: + +American Atheist Press publish an atheist's handbook detailing Biblical +contradictions. See the accompanying posting on Atheist Resources for +details. + +There is a file containing some Biblical contradictions available from the +archive-server@mantis.co.uk. See the contacts file for more information. + +------------------------------ + +Subject: The USA is a Christian nation + +Typical posting: + +Because of the religious beliefs of the founding fathers, shouldn't the +United States be considered a Christian nation? + +Response: + +Based upon the writings of several important founding fathers, it is clear +that they never intended the US to be a Christian nation. Here are some +quotes; there are many more. + + ""What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? + In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the + ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen + upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been + the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert + the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient + auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, + needs them not."" + - James Madison, ""A Memorial and Remonstrance"", 1785 + + ""I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of + the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved--the Cross. + Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"" + - John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson + + ""History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people + maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of + ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will + always avail themselves for their own purpose."" + + - Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813 + + ""I cannot conceive otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or + requires no worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely + above it."" + + - Benjamin Franklin, from ""Articles of Belief and Acts of Religion"", + Nov. 20, 1728 + +------------------------------ + +Subject: The USA is not a Christian nation + +Typical posting: + +Is it true that George Washington said that the United States is not in any +sense founded upon the Christian religion? + +Response: + +No. The quotation often given is in fact from Article XI of the 1797 Treaty +of Tripoli (8 Stat 154, Treaty Series 358): + + Article 11 + + As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense + founded on the Christian Religion, -- as it has in itself no character of + enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, -- and as + the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility + against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no + pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption + of the harmony existing between the two countries. + +The text may be found in the Congressional Record or in treaty collections +such as Charles Bevans' ""Treaties and Other International Agreements of the +United States of America 1776-1949"", vol. 11 (pp. 1070-1080). + +The English text of the Treaty of Tripoli was approved by the U.S. Senate on +June 7, 1797 and ratified by President John Adams on June 10, 1797. It was +recently discovered that the Arabic version of the treaty not only lacks the +quotation, it lacks Article XI altogether. + +The person who translated the Arabic to English was Joel Barlow, Consul +General at Algiers, a close friend of Thomas Paine -- and an opponent of +Christianity. It is possible that Barlow made up Article XI, but since there +is no Arabic version of that article to be found, it's hard to say. + +In 1806 a new Treaty of Tripoli was ratified which no longer contained the +quotation. + + +End of FAQ Digest +***************** +ÿ +",0 +6317,"From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) +Subject: Re: TV Schedule for Next Week +Distribution: na +Organization: HMS +Lines: 54 +NNTP-Posting-Host: gauss.med.harvard.edu + +In article mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) writes: +>United States TV Schedule: + +>April 18 Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh 1 EST ABC (to Eastern time zone) +>April 18 St. Louis at Chicago 12 CDT ABC (to Cent/Mou time zones) +>April 18 Los Angeles at Calgary 12 PDT ABC (to Pacific time zone) +>April 20 Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh 7:30 ESPN +>April 22 TBA 7:30 ESPN +>April 24 TBA 7:30 ESPN +> + +A little supplement Basic Mike's info : + +For Sundday's opener on ABC, these are the announcing crews : + +Devils/Isles at Pittsburgh - Gary Thorne(play-by-play),Bill Clement(color) +and Al Morganti roaming the halls outside the dressing rooms. +This telecast will primarily seen on the East Coast. + +St.Louis at Chicago - Mike Emrick(play - by play),Jim Schoendfeld(color) +and Tom Mees roaming the halls. +This telecast will primarily be seen in the Midwest and parts of the South. + +LA at Calgary - Al ""Do You Believe in Mircales?"" Michaels(play by play), +John Davidson(color) and Mark Jones as a roaming reporter. +This telecast will be seen in the Western USA. + +Montreal's naitive,Jon Saunders will be hosting in the studio. + +ABC will do ""Up and Close and Personal"" with Mario during Saturday's +Wide World of Sports(4:30EDT). + +Sunday will be the first NHL playoff or regular network telecast in 13 years... +not counting those silly All-Star games on NBC for the last few years... + +For Sunday's games,ABC will use 8 mikes(2 behind on the goal),super-super-slo-mo, +close-ups of player's faces at face-offs. ESPN/ABC will not be able to +use its new favorite toy,the ice-level shot, in Pittsburgh where too many +seats would have to removed to employ it... + + +In case of a blowout in progress in Pittsburgh,ABC will switch to Chicago +game but will come back to the Pittsburgh game for updates or if the game +gets closer(Ha!).. + +ABC expects huge ratings(by hockey standards) since all 3 Top US TV-markets +are involved - NY metro area(NY Islanders/NJ Devils),Chicago(BlackHawks), +and LA(Kings). + +Stay tuned, + +Thanks Mike, + +-PPV Mark +",10 +236,"From: (Rashid) +Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] +Nntp-Posting-Host: 47.252.4.179 +Organization: NH +Lines: 34 + +> What about the Twelve Imams, who he considered incapable of error +> or sin? Khomeini supports this view of the Twelve Imans. This is +> heresy for the very reasons I gave above. + +I would be happy to discuss the issue of the 12 Imams with you, although +my preference would be to move the discussion to another +newsgroup. I feel a philosophy +or religion group would be more appropriate. The topic is deeply +embedded in the world view of Islam and the +esoteric teachings of the Prophet (S.A.). Heresy does not enter +into it at all except for those who see Islam only as an exoteric +religion that is only nominally (if at all) concerned with the metaphysical +substance of man's being and nature. + +A good introductory book (in fact one of the best introductory +books to Islam in general) is Murtaza Mutahhari's ""Fundamental's +of Islamic Thought - God, Man, and the Universe"" - Mizan Press, +translated by R. Campbell. Truly a beautiful book. A follow-up book +(if you can find a decent translation) is ""Wilaya - The Station +of the Master"" by the same author. I think it also goes under the +title of ""Master and Mastership"" - It's a very small book - really +just a transcription of a lecture by the author. +The introduction to the beautiful ""Psalms of Islam"" - translated +by William C. Chittick (available through Muhammadi Trust of +Great Britain) is also an excellent introduction to the subject. We +have these books in our University library - I imagine any well +stocked University library will have them. + +From your posts, you seem fairly well versed in Sunni thought. You +should seek to know Shi'ite thought through knowledgeable +Shi'ite authors as well - at least that much respect is due before the +charge of heresy is levelled. + +As salaam a-laikum +",0 +2373,"From: lgorbet@triton.unm.edu (Larry P Gorbet ANTHROPOLOGY) +Subject: Re: Floptical Question +Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque +Lines: 11 +NNTP-Posting-Host: triton.unm.edu + +In article bmyers@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Billy Lee Myers, Jr.) writes: +>...the last time I looked, floptical disk +>weren't all that cheap, ($30 per floptical disk = $1.40 per megabyte, $60 +>per sysquest is $1.36 per megabyte). + +Flopticals have been available since the beginning of the year at $25 +per floptical (= $1.20 per megabyte), and I have seen them advertised +in MacWEEK at $20 (< $1.00 per megabyte). For someone on a tight +budget, the fact that the minimal dollar increment for more storage is +less---$25 versus $60---sometimes matters. + +",4 +10102,"From: DSHAL@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu +Subject: Re: Clintons views on Jerusalem +Organization: C.C.S.O. +Lines: 10 + +It seems that President Clinton can recognize Jerusalem as Israels capitol +while still keeping his diplomatic rear door open by stating that the Parties +concerned should decide the city's final status. Even as I endorse Clintons vie +w (of course), it is definitely a matter to be decided upon by Israel (and +other participating neighboring contries). +I see no real conflict in stating both views, nor expect any better from +politicians. +----- +David Shalhevet / dshal@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu / University of Illinois +Dept Anim Sci / 220 PABL / 1201 W. Gregory Dr. / Urbana, IL 61801 +",17 +810,"From: wdm@world.std.com (Wayne Michael) +Subject: Re: XV under MS-DOS ?!? +Organization: n/a +Lines: 12 + +NO E-MAIL ADDRESS@eicn.etna.ch writes: + +>Hi ... Recently I found XV for MS-DOS in a subdirectory of GNU-CC (GNUISH). I + +please tell me where you where you FTP'd this from? I would like to have +a copy of it. (I would have mailed you, but your post indicates you have no mail +address...) + +> +-- +Wayne Michael +wdm@world.std.com +",1 +6762,"From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron ""Asbestos"" Dippold) +Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption +Originator: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com +Nntp-Posting-Host: qualcom.qualcomm.com +Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA +Distribution: na +Lines: 12 + +ted@nmsu.edu (Ted Dunning) writes: +>nobody seems to have noticed that the clipper chip *must* have been +>under development for considerably longer than the 3 months that +>clinton has been president. this is not something that choosing +>choosing bush over clinton would have changed in the slightest; it has +>been in the works for some time. + +I've got no doubts that this would probably have gone ahead if Bush +was still president. What's puzzling to me are the people who are +apparently amazed that Clinton is going along with it. +-- +Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? +",11 +8652,"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) +Subject: Re: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) +Keywords: Galileo, JPL +Organization: Texas Instruments Inc +Lines: 25 + +In <1993Apr23.103038.27467@bnr.ca> agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes: + +>In article <22APR199323003578@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>, baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: +>|> 3. On April 19, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer to +>|> 264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase. + +>This activity is regularly reported in Ron's interesting posts. Could +>someone explain what the Command Loss Timer is? + +The Command Loss Timer is a timer that does just what its name says; +it indicates to the probe that it has lost its data link for receiving +commands. Upon expiration of the Command Loss Timer, I believe the +probe starts a 'search for Earth' sequence (involving antenna pointing +and attitude changes which consume fuel) to try to reestablish +communications. No-ops are sent periodically through those periods +when there are no real commands to be sent, just so the probe knows +that we haven't forgotten about it. + +Hope that's clear enough to be comprehensible. + +-- +""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live + in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. +",14 +2780,"From: mmatteo@mondrian.CSUFresno.EDU (Marc Matteo) +Subject: Why the drive speeds differ?? +Keywords: Quantum, LPS, speed +Nntp-Posting-Host: mondrian.csufresno.edu +Organization: California State University, Fresno +Lines: 13 + +Hi all, + +I just got a La Cie 240 meg external hard drive. Speed tests show that it's +substantially faster that my internal 105 meg Quantum HD. Supposedly the 105 +and the 240 (both LPS drives) are roughly rated the same speed. Why such a +large difference? + +Marc. +-- +______________________________________________________________________________ +Marc Matteo, | AppleLink: MATTEO +California State University, | Internet: mmatteo@mondrian.CSUFresno.EDU +Fresno | AOL: M Matteo +",4 +4886,"From: gunning@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin J. Gunning) +Subject: stolen CBR900RR +Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena +Lines: 12 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu +Summary: see above + +Stolen from Pasadena between 4:30 and 6:30 pm on 4/15. + +Blue and white Honda CBR900RR california plate KG CBR. Serial number +JH2SC281XPM100187, engine number 2101240. + +No turn signals or mirrors, lights taped over for track riders session +at Willow Springs tomorrow. Guess I'll miss it. :-((( + +Help me find my baby!!! + +kjg + +",8 +8019,"From: lunger@helix.enet.dec.com (Dave Lunger) +Subject: Modified sense of taste in Cancer pt? +Keywords: cancer +Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation +Lines: 13 + + +What does a lack of taste of foods, or a sense of taste that seems ""off"" +when eating foods in someone who has cancer mean? What are the possible +causes of this? Why does it happen? + +Pt has Stage II breast cancer, and is taking tamoxifin. Also has Stage IV +lung cancer with known CNA metastasis, and is taking klonopin (also had +cranial radiation treatments). + +Thanks! + +[not a doctor, but trying to understand family member's illness] + +",13 +6024,"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) +Subject: Re: div. and conf. names +Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON +Distribution: na +Lines: 63 + +In epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu ( Evan Pritchard) writes: + +> I think that you are incorrect, Roger. Patrick, +>Smythe and Adams all played or coached in the league before becoming +>front office types. Hence, they did help build the league, although +>they were not great players themselves. + +Punch Imlach's contributions as a coach and GM were far greater than +those of the above combined. Should we name a division or trophy after +him? Smythe and Norris and the bunch were honoured purely because they +were powerful owners. As owners they certainly did help to build the +league but whether they developed the game is another question altogether. +Are we going to honour those who contributed to the league's evolution +or are we going to honour those who contributed to the glory of the +sport itself? + +> I agree that a name is a name is a name, and if some people +>have trouble with names that are not easily processed by the fans, +>then changing them to names that are more easily processed seems like +>a reasonable idea. If we can get people in the (arena) door by being +>uncomplicated, then let's do so. Once we have them, they will realize +>what a great game hockey is, and we can then teach them something +>abotu the history of the game. + +I can't disagree with you here. + +>>The history of the names can be put rather succinctly. All of the aforemen- +>>tioned used the game of hockey to make money. Can you imagine a Pocklington +>>division? A Ballard division? Or how about a Green division? + +> No, I would not want to see a Ballard division. But to say +>that these owners are assholes, hence all NHL management people are +>assholes would be fallacious. Conn Smythe, for example, was a classy +>individual (from what I have heard). + +What have you heard? The Major was the *definitive* little asshole! He +originated the phrase ""if you can't beat 'em in the alley you can't beat +'em on the ice."" That was his idea of hockey. Do you think, by chance, +that Don Cherry is a classy individual? + +> Also, isn't the point of ""professional"" hockey to make money +>for all those involved, which would include the players. What I think +>you might be saying is that the players have not made as much money as +>should have been their due, and it is the players that are what make +>the game great not the people who put them on the ice, so naming +>division after management people rather than players is adding insult +>(in the form of lesser recognition) to injury (less money than was +>deserved). + +The money issue is irrelevant to the point that we would agree on, and +that is: ""it is the players that are what make the game great and not the +people who put them on the ice"" + +Exactly true. Naming divisions and trophies after Smythe and the bunch +is the same kind of nepotism that put Stein in the hall of fame. I have +always thought that this was nonsense. + + +-- + +cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca + ""So many morons... +rm ...and so little time."" +",10 +4881,"From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) +Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! +Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 +Lines: 19 + +In article Chris Steinbroner writes: +>Wm. L. Ranck (ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu) wrote: +>: As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but +>: right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money +>: down a rathole. +> +>[...] i'm going to +>let my current membership lapse when it's +>up for renewal. +> +>-- hesh + +In my case that's not for another 3+ years, so I'd appreciate any +hints on what will keep the organization in business that long. (And +preferably longer, of course, and worth being part of.) + +-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu) + + +",8 +9778,"From: mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) +Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! +Keywords: Nata thing !! +Nntp-Posting-Host: nimitz.mcs.kent.edu +Reply-To: Matthew Hamilton +Organization: Kent State University CS +Lines: 33 + +In article <1r1j1l$4t@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: +> In article <1993Apr20.143255.12711@mcs.kent.edu>, mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes: +> +> Oh, then, I guess that shooting THOSE kind of babies is all right. +> +> You sick bastard. +> -- +> +> cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, +> OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... +> + +Why thanks for your reply to my post. By the way, I never, never ever said +that it was right to shoot ""THOSE kind"" of babies. However it was the Branch +Davidian people in there that insisted on staying there with their ""savior"" +(yeah right budy boy) because he had brain-washed them into believing that +what ever he says is the truth, even if means that they are to give up their +lives for <<<>>> cause. Therefore it is Davids fault and not the ATF's +who gave them 50 to 51 days to get out, this was 50 days to many for me and +for many of the rest of the U.S. I am however sad to hear of the death of any +child unlike the sick bastard I supposedly am. +-- ++----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| Matthew R. Hamilton | mhamilto@mcs.kent.edu | A.K.A | +| CS/ Physics Major | 1499h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu | (The Lawnmowerman) | +| Kent State University | 1299h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu | | ++----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| | +| | +| Look here for future advice.quotes.sayings.jibberish.philosohy | +| | ++----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + +",16 +3766,"From: alin@nyx.cs.du.edu (ailin lin) +Subject: LD ext. floppy drive for MAC(extremely cheap) +Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. +Lines: 10 + +I have a brand new low density 5.25"" floppy drive for MAC. +It comes with a brand new Apple Macintosh II PC drive card, so +that you can hook the drive up to the card. +It allows you to use DOS formatted disks. +I am selling it for $90 (abt 1/3 retail price). + +Ailin +803-654-8817 + +buyers pay shipping. +",6 +8047,"From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King) +Subject: How to interview a doctor +Nntp-Posting-Host: drums.reasoning.com +Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA +Lines: 11 + + +My insurance company encourages annual physicals, and at my age [42] i'm +thinking that BIannual physicals, at least, might be a good idea. Therefore, +i'm shopping for a GP. Might as well get a good one. + +Could the Assembled Net Wisdom suggest things i should look for, or point me to +the FAQ archive if on this topic if there is one? + +Please EMail; i suspect that this topic is real Net Clutter bait. + +-dk +",13 +8326,"From: jim@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (jim jaworski) +Subject: Re: How many read sci.space? +Organization: The Inquiring Mind BBS 1 204 488-1607 +Lines: 36 + +rborden@ugly.UVic.CA (Ross Borden) writes: + +> In article <734850108.F00002@permanet.org> Mark.Prado@p2.f349.n109.z1.permane +> > +> >One could go on and on and on here, but I wonder ... how +> >many people read sci.space and of what power/influence are +> >these individuals? +> > +> Quick! Everyone who sees this, post a reply that says: +> +> ""Hey, I read sci.space!"" +> +> Then we can count them, and find out how many there are! :-) +> (This will also help answer that nagging question: ""Just what is +> the maximum bandwidth of the Internet, anyways?"") +> + +As an Amateur Radio operator (VHF 2metres) I like to keep up with what is +going up (and for that matter what is coming down too). + +In about 30 days I have learned ALOT about satellites current, future and +past all the way back to Vanguard series and up to Astro D observatory +(space). I borrowed a book from the library called Weater Satellites (I +think, it has a photo of the earth with a TIROS type satellite on it.) + +I would like to build a model or have a large color poster of one of the +TIROS satellites I think there are places in the USA that sell them. +ITOS is my favorite looking satellite, followed by AmSat-OSCAR 13 +(AO-13). + +TTYL +73 +Jim + +jim@inqmind.bison.mb.ca +The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba 204 488-1607 +",14 +9237,"From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) +Subject: Latest on Branch Davidians +Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin +Lines: 28 + +Most of you will have probably seen the news by the time you read this, +but the Branch Davidian compound is no more. This morning about 6:00, +the feds punched holes in the compound walls by using a tank. They +then started using non-lethal tear gas. Shortly after noon, 2 cult +members were seen setting fire to the compound. So far, about 20-30 +people have been seen outside the compound. The fate of the other 60 or +70 people is unknown, neither is the fate of the 17 children that were +inside. The compound did burn to the ground. + +Koresh, who at times has claimed to be the Messiah, but then backed off +and only claimed to be a prophet, had promised several times to come +out peacefully if his demands were met. First, he demanded that his +message be broadcast on the radio, which it was, but he didn't come out. +He claimed to be waiting for a message from God. Finally, he said that +God told him that he needed to decipher the mystery of the 7 seals in +Revelation, and when he was finished, he'd come out. He finished the +first one, but didn't do any more work that anyone knows of since then. +The federal agents did warn him that if they didn't come out, they +would be subjected to tear gas. + +I think it's really sad that so many people put their faith in a mere +man, even if he did claim to be the son of God, and/or a prophet. I +think it underscores the importance of putting you faith only in +things that are eternal and knowing for yourself what the Scriptures +say and what they mean, instead of relying on others to do it for you, +even if those others are learned and mean well. + +Paul Conditt +",15 +3367,"From: mikell@cactus.org (Mikell Vanderlaan) +Subject: Unisys 22403 emulation +Keywords: xterm term emulation +Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx +Lines: 11 + + +Has anyone seen source to an xterm package ready +to perform UNISYS 22403 TERMINAL EMULATION. +Got a clunker... and ... Got a connect! + +return: mikell@cactus.org + +-- +////////////////////////////mikell@cactus.org///////////////////////// +////////////////////Calame Linebarger Graham & Pena/////////////////// +//////////////////////////////Attys AT Law//////////////////////////// +",5 +10934,"From: matt@physics16.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern) +Subject: Re: The state of justice +Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group) +Lines: 14 + <1993Apr15.170239.8211@hemlock.cray.com> + <1qn73aINNmq9@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> +Reply-To: matt@physics.berkeley.edu +NNTP-Posting-Host: physics16.berkeley.edu +In-reply-to: jfc@athena.mit.edu's message of 16 Apr 1993 21:05:46 GMT + +In article <1qn73aINNmq9@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) writes: + +> I recommend the book ""Adams _v_ Texas"", the story of a man (Adams) who +> was sentenced to death for a crime he didn't commit. Most of the book +> is the story of the long appeals process, and the problems and delays +> caused by not being able to introduce new evidence in certain courts. + +And I recommend the movie _The Thin Blue Line_, which is about the +same case. Not as much legal detail, but still an excellent film. It +shows how very easy it is to come up with seemingly conclusive +evidence against someone whom you think is guilty. +-- +Matthew Austern Maybe we can eventually make language a +matt@physics.berkeley.edu complete impediment to understanding. +",18 +5092,"From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) +Subject: Re: FJ1100/1200 Owners: Tankbag Suggestions Wanted +Organization: University of East Anglia +Lines: 14 + +martenm@chess.ncsu.edu (Mark Marten) writes: + + + +>I am looking for a new tank bag now, and I wondered if you, as follow +>FJ1100/1200 owners, could make some suggestions as to what has, and has +>not worked for you. If there is already a file on this I apologize for +>asking and will gladly accept any flames that are blown my way! + +I've got a Belstaff tankbag on my FJ1100, and it ain't too good. It's +difficult to fix it securely cos of the the tank/fairing/sidepanel layout, +and also with the bars on full lock the bag touches the handlebar switches, +so you get the horn on full left lock and the starter motor on full right!! +If I was buying another I think I'd go for a magnetic one. +",8 +6399,"From: WHMurray@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL +Subject: Licensing..... +Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway +Lines: 49 + + +>This thread brings up the more general question. Can any crypto +>implementation for which highly publicly scrutinized source code is not +>available EVER be trusted? + +After IBM had invented the DES and the NBS had advertised for proposals, +but before IBM had decided to respond, I argued strenuously that they +should not; they should keep it proprietary. + +The biggest proponent of proposing was Dr. Lewis Branscomb. Dr. Branscomb +was the IBM Chief Scientist and had come to IBM from NBS. Fortunately +for all of us, Dr. Branscomb understood the answer to the above question +much better than I. He realized how difficult it would be to gain +acceptance for any cryptographic mechanism. Because of the necessary +complexity, publicity would not be sufficient and neither would +authority. In fact, it has taken both of those plus more than 15 +years. + +We have also had independence. The DES was solicited by NBS, invented +and proposed by IBM, and vetted by NBS. It has also been examined and +vetted by experts like Adi Shamir, who are not subject to influence by +any of these. + +Even now, there are still people posting on this list who do not trust +the DES in spite of all the time, all of the analysis, and all of the +public scrutiny. + +(Of course, it is just this point that NIST misses when it attempts to +gain acceptance for a novel mechanism, developed in secret, on the basis +of authority alone.) + +We had a long thread here about whether or not the NSA can ""break"" the +DES. That is a silly question. At some cost and in some time they +can ""break"" anything. The important question is at what cost and in +what time. + +The fundamental strength of the DES and RSA are not nearly so important +as what we know about their strength. As long as we understand the +cost and duration for an attacker, then we can use them in a safe way. +At this point, we may never replace either because of the inability of +any successor to overcome this knowledge gap. + +DES and RSA are among the most significant inventions of the century +and the most important inventions in the history of cryptography. +We are damned lucky to have them. + +William Hugh Murray, Executive Consultant, Information System Security +49 Locust Avenue, Suite 104; New Canaan, Connecticut 06840 +1-0-ATT-0-700-WMURRAY; WHMurray at DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL +",11 +8787,"From: qtm2w@virginia.edu (Quinn T. McCord) +Subject: Questions from a newbie +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 56 + + + Is life a pass/fail course, and does God grade on a +curve? + I'm new here, and only vaguely religious, but I want to +know what some of you people think. Specifically, are there an +infinite number of Heavens, and a person goes to the one that +he/she deserves? Or is it simply Heaven or nothing (Hell?) +Also, are we ""graded"" by those around us, or has there always +been some unchanging method? Is the person's childhood taken +into account? + I'm sure these must sound like over-simplifications to +most of you, but I figure that you're the experts. + + -Quinn + +[Eschatology is an area on which Christians do not agree. I suspect +that's because our primary source of information is prophets and +visionaries, and their writings tend to be highly symbolic. However +both Jesus' teachings in the Gospels and books such as the Revelation +to John talk primarily about the difference between eternal life and +eternal death. On a number of occasions Jesus does say things that +imply some sort of differentiation, e.g. Lk 10:14 and a number of +similar passages where Jesus says things like ""even XXX will be better +off than you in the judgement."" Also, I Cor 3 talks about someone who +gets into heaven, but by the skin of his teeth, as it were. But these +passages are not normally interpreted as suggesting separate heavens, +so much as differing levels of prestige or punishment in heaven or +hell (and not all Christians would even go as far as that). The only +Christian group I know of that believes in multiple heavens is the +Mormons, and they are very far from mainstream Christianity (far +enough that many of our readers would not call them Christian). Their +ideas in this area involve specific Mormon revelations, in addition +to the Bible and ""Holy Tradition"" of a more generic Christian sort. + +Note that many Christians will cringe at the very thought of +associating grading with God. The whole point of Christ was to free +us from the results of a test that we couldn't possibly pass. If you +like test analogies, God grades on a very strict and unbending scale, +but he also cheats -- he replaces our test papers with an exam that +was prepared by the teacher, before actually doing the grading. +Because some people end up in heaven and others in hell, it's easy to +see why you'd be inclined to think of it as grading. While there are +differences among branches of Christianity on details, I think we all +agree that in one way or another, God cheats. + +I am personally very sceptical about anyone who claims to know exactly +how far God's cheating extends. Will he accept people who don't +explicitly acknowledge Christ, but somehow still follow him in their +hearts? Many Christians believe that this is possible, at least in +principle, but certainly not all do. Jesus provided us with a clear +description of how to be saved, but it's not clear to me that he +provided an exact description of how he's going to place the dividing +line. Certainly he made it clear that we can't expect to know whether +other individuals are saved or not. + +--clh] +",15 +8026,"From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) +Subject: Need Reference: Multiple Personalities Disorders and Allergies +Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) +Lines: 28 + +I heard third-hand (not the best form of information) that there was recently +published results of a study on Multiple-Personality-Disorder Syndrome +patients revealing some interesting clues that the root cause of allergy may +have a psychological trigger or basis. What I heard about this study was that +in one 'personality', a MPDS patient exhibited no observable or clinical signs +of inhalant allergy (scratch tests were used, according to what I heard), +while in other personalities they showed obvious allergy symptoms, including +testing a full ++++ on scratch tests for particular inhalants. + +If this is true, it is truly fascinating. + +But, I'd like to know if this study was ever done, and if so, what the study +really showed, and where the study is published. Any help out there? + +Jon Noring + +-- + +Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club. + +If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info. +============================================================================= +| Jon Noring | noring@netcom.com | | +| JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE | +| 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World's Best! | +| Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | | +============================================================================= +Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is. +",13 +1740,"From: ted@isgtec.com (Ted Richards) +Subject: Re: pc-X +Distribution: usa +Organization: ISG Technologies Inc. Mississauga Ont. Canada +Lines: 43 +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] + +To following up my own note: +Ted Richards (ted@isgtec.com) wrote: +: Al DeVilbiss (al@col.hp.com) wrote: +: : +: : It looks like everything works as advertised but I am disappointed +: : with the speed. I'm using an Intel 400 internal 14.4k modem in the PC +: : with Telebit 14.4k on the Unix end, which are currently limited to +: : 19.2Kbits by the Unix com link. To get a quantitative comparison, I +: : did 'cat file' where ""file"" is 20 kbyte uncompressed ascii text, and +: : it took 75 seconds to scroll through an X window over the modem link, +: : 270 chars/sec. Using the identical hardware and Procomm+FW the same +: : ""cat file' takes 11 seconds, 1820 chars/sec. BTW, I use NCD PC XView +: : on my PC at work (HP) every day for the same Unix access from a PC over +: : a LAN and like that just fine. The same 'cat file' scrolls by in +: : ~2 seconds on the LAN connection. + +I just tried a few experiments. I cat'd a 20261-byte file (471 lines) +under various scenarios: + +PC-Xview for DOS in a full-screen OS/2 window (1024x768x16): 18 sec +Telix (DOS) in an OS/2 window (1024xs768x256): 107 sec! +Telix (DOS) is a full-screen OS/2 window (standard VGA): 11 sec +Telix (DOS) in a Windows 3.1 window (1024x768x256): 30 sec +UW/WIN in a seamless OS/2 window (1024x768x256): gave up after 4 min! +UW/WIN in Windows 3.1 (1024x768x256): faster, but gave up after 2 min +UW/WIN in a seamless OS/2 window using pg 30 sec, could have been a + little faster (I had to keep + hitting the space bar) + +I was using an ATI Wonder XL video card, by the way. + +So PC-Xview for DOS looks pretty good (and the line-by-line scrolling +in OS/2 desktop looks pathetic, although full-page redraws are pretty +good). + +I tried it under PC-Xview using my normal (9x15bold or 10x20) font, +and with a very small font, and there was no difference in the times. +The modem receive light was on pretty solidly, so it looks like the +bottleneck was the 9600-baud modem, not the screen drawing. + +-- +Ted Richards ted@isgtec.com [...!uunet.ca!isgtec!ted] +ISG Technologies Inc. 6509 Airport Rd., Mississauga Ont. Canada L4V 1S7 +",3 +10511,"From: bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) +Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? +Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL +Nntp-Posting-Host: 137.23.47.37 +Lines: 21 + +In article <7166@pdxgate.UUCP> a0cb@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Chris Bertholf) writes: +)MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu (Martina Cartwright) writes: +) +) +)>The official and legal term for rape is ""the crime of forcing a FEMALE +)>to submit to sexual intercourse."" +) +)Please, supply me with some references. I was not aware that all states +)had the word ""FEMALE"" in the rape statutes. I am sure others are surprised +)as well. I know thats how it works in practice (nice-n-fair, NOT!!), but +)was unaware that it was in the statutes as applying to FEMALES only, +)uniformly throughout the U.S. + +I agree mostly with Chris. It is (unfortunately, IMO) true that the *FBI* +figures for rape based on the 'uniform crime report' report only female +rapes. However, some states (such as Illinois) are not tabluated because they +refuse to comply with this sexist definition! +-- +The worms crawl in +The worms crawl out +The worms post to the net from your account +",18 +5468,"From: gwittt@alleg.edu (Tom Gwitt) +Subject: Re: Mel Hall +Organization: Allegheny College +Lines: 11 + +In article <1993Apr17.212119.13901@coe.montana.edu> warped@cs.montana.edu +(Doug Dolven) writes: +> +> Has anyone heard anything about Mel Hall this season? I'd heard he +wasn't +> with the Yankees any more. What happened to him? +> + +He is in Japan playing baseball. +-- + Tom Gwitt gwittt@alleg.edu +",9 +8938,"From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov +Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance +Organization: FNAL/AD/Net +Lines: 70 + +In article +kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) writes: +> +>There is no way out of the loop. + +Oh contrer mon captitan! There is a way. Certainly it is not by human reason. + Certainly it is not by human experience. (and yet it is both!) To paraphrase +Sartre, the particular is absurd unless it has an infinite reference point. It +is only because of God's own revelation that we can be absolute about a thing. +Your logic comes to fruition in relativism. +> +>""At the core of all well-founded belief, lies belief that is unfounded."" +> -- Ludwig Wittgenstein + +Ah, now it is clear. Ludwig was a desciple of Russell. Ludwig's fame is often +explained by the fact that he spawned not one but two significant movements in +contemporary philosophy. Both revolve around Tractatus Logico-Philosphicus +('21) and Philosophical Investigation ('53). Many of Witt's comments and +implicit conclusions suggest ways of going beyond the explicit critique of +language he offers. According to some of the implicit suggestions of Witt's +thought, ordinary language is an invaluable resource, offering a necessary +framework for the conduct of daily life. However, though its formal features +remain the same, its content does not and it is always capable of being +transcended as our experience changes and our understanding is deepened, giving +us a clearer picture of what we are and what we wish to say. On Witt's own +account, there is a dynamic fluidity of language. It is for this reason that +any critique of language must move from talking about the limits of language to +talking about its boundaries, where a boundary is understood not as a wall but +a threshold. + vonWrights's comment that Witt's ""sentences have a content that often lies +deep beneath the surface of language."" On the surface, Witt talks of the +insuperable position of ordinary language and the necessity of bringing +ourselves to accept it without question. At the same time, we are faced with +Witt's own creative uses of language and his concern for bringing about changes +in our traditional modes of understanding. Philosophy, then, through more +perspicacious speech, seeks to effect this unity rather than assuming that it +is already functioning. Yes? The most brilliant of scientists are unable to +offer a foundation for human speech so long as they reject Christianity! In his +Tractatus we have the well nigh perfect exhibition of the nature of the impasse +of the scientific ideal of exhaustive logical analysis of Reality by man. +Perfect language does not exist for fallen man, therefore we must get on about +our buisness of relating Truth via ordinary language. + + This is why John's Gospel is so dear to most Christians. It is so simple in +it conveyance of the revealation of God, yet so full of unlieing depth of +understanding. He viewed Christ from the OT concept of ""as a man thinketh, so +he is."" John looked at the outward as only an indicator of what was inside, +that is the consciousness of Christ. And so must we. Words are only vehicals +of truth. He is truth. The scriptures are plain in their expounding that +there is a Truth and that it is knowable. THere are absolutes, and they too +are knowable. However, they are only knowable when He reveals them to the +individual. There is, and we shouldn't shy from this, a mysticism to +Christianity. Paul in ROm 8 says there are 3 men in the world. There is the +one who does not have the Spirit and therefore can not know the things of the +Spirit (the Spirit of Truth) and there is the one who has the Spirit and has +the capacity to know of the Truth, but there is the third. THe one who not +only has the Spirit, but that the Spirit has him! Who can know the deep things +of God and reveal them to us other than the Spirit. And it is only the deep +things of GOd that are absolute and true. + There is such a thing as true truth and it is real, it can be experienced +and it is verifiable. I disagree with Dr Nancy's Sweetie's conclusion because +if it is taken to fruition it leads to relativism which leads to dispair. + +""I would know the words which He would answer me, and understand what He would +say unto me."" Job 23ff + +--Rex + +suggested, easy reading about epistimology: ""He is there and He is not Silent"" + by Francis Schaeffer. +",15 +10629,"From: piatt@gdc.COM (Gary Piatt) +Subject: Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? +Organization: General DataComm Ind. Inc., Middlebury, CT 06762 +Lines: 51 +Nntp-Posting-Host: esun228 +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] + +Dov Bai-MSI Visitor (bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu) wrote: +: In article sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes: + +: >True, man did not invent the need for food, shelter, warmth and the ilk, +: >but man did invent the property laws and the laws of trespass. +: But how do you think property is generated ? Does it grow automatically +: on trees when we wish so, or someone has to produce it ? + +Some say it was generated by God or Goddess; some say it was the result of +the coalescence of billions of tons of interstellar debris. In either case, +the property of which Xavier speaks has been around for millions of years. + + +: It all follows from the fact that Mother Nature does not +: provide us automatically with our needs, + +Oh? When did She *stop*? Mother Nature has been automatically providing +us with her bounty ever since we crawled out of the primordial ooze. It +is not ""produced"": it produces itself, year after year. Last night, for +example, I saw four deer crossing the road (pretty sight, too); in an +earlier time, one of them would have been dinner. + +: There are 2 ways to go with produced things: the first is to +: _trade_ it with the the person(s) who produced it. +: The other one is to take it with a gun from the person who produced +: it. The first way is the civilized method, the second is how savages +: arrange their affairs. + +The American Indians had no concept of ownership of property, and often +freely gave of their supplies to neighboring tribes, trading food and +clothing for weapons or services. The Native Hawaiians, like their +Polynesian ancestors, also could not conceive of that idea, and shared +many things with the other Islanders. In fact, ""hi'ipoi"", the Hawaiian +word for ""cherish"" means ""sharing food"". The Great Mahele, in which +the Islands were divided up more-or-less evenly between the rich and +the poor, was a white man's idea. In Africa, villagers will often +share tools, crops, and clothing with other members of their own village +and neighboring villages. Every anthropologist who has ever been to +Africa has at least one tale of the difficulties arising from the so- +called ""theft"" of the scientists possessions -- two concepts of which, +until the visitors came along, the natives had no understanding. + +These are the people we call ""savages"". + +On the other hand, car-jackings and muggings are up from last year. + +Dov, before you make further comment on this thread, I think it would +behoove you to study *all* of the facts. + + +-garison +",18 +3425,"From: re_sims@vax.cns.muskingum.edu +Subject: Misc. radio and related equipment +Organization: Muskingum College +Lines: 112 + +Lots of misc and radio related items for sale! + +Still trying to lighten my load for moving! + + +Motorola VHF pager, digital, no voice or readout $15 + +2 Capacitor checkers + +HP 200CD audio oscillator 5 hz to 600 Khz. + + + 1200 feet + brand new 1/2"" hardline for tv + with new connectors, this is in 5 pieces + + lots of Gain mobile antennas for VHF and UHF + + UHF *amp*, input on 75 Mhz in milliwatts and + output on 450 Mhz, 30 watts out. with service + manual, this came out of a Motorola mobilephone. + make reasonable offer. looking for $40 + shipping + or trade for? + + RCA tac 300 UHF dash mount 2channel w/service + manual, great condition, currently on GMRS + frequency 462.725 repeater and simplex with + PL of 151.4 hz + $100 + + Nobratron QR 75-2 power supply by Sorensen, w/service + manual, this is a 2 amp variable power supply, I + have used it at 80 vdc. weight is 45lbs $45. + + Motorola tone remote model #1926A, works great, + with monitor button, $75 This unit is used + to remote a base station with only two wires. + + Also have tone remote board from Mitrek Super + consolette, make offer, could be used with + above remote! model #TRN-6744A w/schmetics + Both for $100. + + Motorola Handhelds, MH-10 (4) w/charger, speaker +mic, leather case, currently on 34.830, w/dpl + + + DPL decks from Motorola moxy radios + very reasonable esp. if you take all, anyone + offer $10 each for all or trade for? + + PL reeds, I have some (30 or so I think) + also dpl code plugs + e-mail if you need some or I will sell all +cheep. + + Transmit tubes for GE radios, new in box. + + + 5 DB gain UHF mobile antennas by motorola, + used, sold new for $90, make reasonable offer. + sell 3 for $45 + shipping + + Motorcycle control head and cable with frequency + selector and speaker all in one, 4 channel, I + believe this came from a Micom. + Asking $20 + shipping + + channel elements for motorola micor, mitrek, motrac + 3 sets of vhf micor, + uhf micor, low band motrac, more + + Mobile microphones for GE, Motorola, and RCA + reasonable offer. + + Motorola DC remote adaptor model #TLN-1127apr + $75 + + I still have a few business band service manuals + esp. GE and Motorola, e-mail for details. + + Phone restrict toll boxes (2) use quarters + + DTMF mobile mic + + GE Master Pro UHF mobile, not working, with accessories, +this is a trunk mount radio. $20 + shipping + + 6' GE base cabinet w/19"" rack + + Duplexer cabinet from vhf duplexers + + 19"" rack base cabinet, Johnson + + HD satellite dish jack or arm + + 2 Spools multi-conductor wire, w/shield, thickness is approx 1/2"" + + GE Master pro mobile control heads and cables + + Eagle model #2 level sensor, tells how full a container is + +The above prices do not include shipping! + +Some of the above items are pickup only because of +size or weight, locations is Eastern Ohio. +if interested e-mail me or you can call + +Jim Sims sr. N4JDP (614) 439-2177 before 9 PM Eastern +re_sims@vax.cns.muskingum.edu + + + +",6 +5549,"From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) +Subject: Re: Best Homeruns +Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY +Distribution: na +Lines: 22 + +Darryl Strawberry's moon shots were fun! He can hit those high and far +home runs that if he actually ran them out he'd be rounding second base +by the time they landed. We used to say that he should have to file a +flight plan at LaGuardia for some of them. Then _Bull_Durham_ came out +and that was changed. :-) + +On homers he pulled that didn't go high, they were microwave home runs. +Microwave, as in they got outta there in a hurry! In a game in 1988, he +came off the bench with the flu and on the second pitch send a rocket +down the right field line that didn't even allow Bob Murphy the ""luxury"" +of a home run call. The story went he stayed in the clubhouse, the with +the Mets down by two and two on Davey Johnson sent for him to pinch hit. +He came out of the clubhouse saying ""one swing and we go home."" He hit +the homer, ran the bases, then went straight for the clubhouse to shower +and go home. + +Those were the days.... +-- +scott barman | Mets Mailing List (feed the following into your shell): +scott@asd.com | mail mets-request@asd.com <I need to know the Pins to connect to make a loopback connector for a serial +>port so I can build one. The loopback connector is used to test the +>serial port. +> +>Thanks for any help. + +From a recent BYTE magazine i got the following: + +[Question and part of the answer deleted] + + If you are handy with a soldering iron, the loopback plugs are easy to +make. On a serial RS-232 nine-pin port, use a female DB-9 connector and +connect pins 1 to 7 to 8; 2 to 3; and 4 to 6 to 9. For serial RS-232 +25-pin ports, you'll need a female DB-25 connector with pins 1 to 7; +2 to 3; 4 to 5 to 8; 6 to 11 to 20 to 22; 15 to 17 to 23; and 18 to 25 +connected. To test a Centronics 25-pin parallel port, you'll need to +connect pins 1 to 13; 2 to 15; 10 to 16; 11 to 17; and 12 to 14 in a male +DB-25 connector. + + -Stan Wszola +--- + +I haven't tried it. Use at own risk. + +-KKC- etobkkc@hisoy.etn.ericsson.se +",3 +6307,"From: Gibson.Bill@applelink.apple.com (Bill Gibson) +Subject: SHARKS: Kingston Fired!!! +Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. +Lines: 8 + +I just overheard that San Jose Coach George Kingston was officially +terminated today... Maybe good news, maybe bad. I kinda liked him, but he +seemed to lack a certain fire. + + +Bill Gibson : Gibson.Bill@applelink.apple.com +Chief Technical Sponge : AppleLink: GIBSON.BILL +Apple Computer, Inc. : Just say: SHARKS!!! +",10 +6982,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) +Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? +Lines: 25 + +: There are chips which perform the voice compression/expansion. They can't +: be expensive, because they exist in many phones connected to PBXs or on the +: PBX line cards, as well as in a lot of equipment which compresses +: voice-grade circuits to save the cost of long-distance, leased T1s or +: satellite circuits. + +: I can't remember the generic term for these chips. My impression is that +: this was a big deal 10 years ago, but circuits have gotten so cheap that +: it isn't done much now. + +Codecs. They have to get about 6:1 compression on 8 bit samples to squeeze +them down v32bis. I played around with the lossless 'shorten' program +last night, but it only managed 2.5:1. I've got some specimen CELP code +but it's not obvious that it runs in real time; I think it's just proof-of- +concept code, and I have some mucking about with file formats to do before +I can put my own sample through it. + +Looks like the current option is to use a voice-mail modem with built-in +DSP chip to do this in hardware. That means two modems for a system, +putting the cost at $600 upwards. Ouch. Maybe soon we'll be able to +do it in software on high-powered games consoles - isn't the 3DO an +Acorn RISC machine inside? That cpu runs like shit off a shovel... and +will be nicely mass-market too. + +G +",11 +3960,"From: er1@eridan.chuvashia.su (Yarabayeva Albina Nikolayevna) +Subject: FOR SALE:high-guality conifer oil from Russia,$450/ton;400 ton +Reply-To: er1@eridan.chuvashia.su +Distribution: eunet +Organization: Firm ERIDAN +Lines: 1 + +Inguiry by address:er1@eridan.chuvashia.su +",6 +8940,"From: 18669@bach.udel.edu (Steven R Hoskins) +Subject: Some questions from a new Christian +Organization: University of Delaware +Lines: 40 + +Hi, + +I am new to this newsgroup, and also fairly new to christianity. I was +raised as a Unitarian and have spent the better part of my life as an +agnostic, but recently I have developed the firm conviction that the +Christian message is correct and I have accepted Jesus into my life. I am +happy, but I realize I am very ignorant about much of the Bible and +quite possibly about what Christians should hold as true. This I am trying +to rectify (by reading the Bible of course), but it would be helpful +to also read a good interpretation/commentary on the Bible or other +relevant aspects of the Christian faith. One of my questions I would +like to ask is - Can anyone recommend a good reading list of theological +works intended for a lay person? + +I have another question I would like to ask. I am not yet affiliated +with any one congregation. Aside from matters of taste, what criteria +should one use in choosing a church? I don't really know the difference +between the various Protestant denominations. + +Thanks for reading my post. + +Sincerely, + +Steve Hoskins + +[Aside from a commentary, you might also want to consider an +introduction. These are books intended for use in undergraduate Bible +courses. They give historical background, discussion of literary +styles, etc. And generally they have good bibligraphies for further +reading. I typically recommend Kee, Froehlich and Young's NT +introduction. There are also some good one-volume commentaries. They +often have background articles that are helpful. Probably the best +recommendation these days would be Harper's Bible Commentary. (I +think there may be a couple of books with this title. This is a +fairly recent one, like about 1990, done in cooperation with the +Society for Biblical Criticism.) If you are committed to inerrancy, +you will probably prefer something more conservative. I don't read a +lot of conservative books, but a commentary I looked at by Donald +Guthrie looked rather good. He has a NT Introduction, and he's also +editor of Eerdman's Bible Commentary. --clh] +",15 +5047,"From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) +Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die +Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC +Lines: 30 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com +NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com + +In article 5049@cvbnetPrime.COM, tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes: +> +>I was able to avoid an accident by revving my engine and having my +>*stock* Harley pipes make enough noise to draw someones attention. +> +>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we +>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or +>how long it would take me to push my horn button?? + +If we do, I think you'd loose. Sure, you're hand's already on the +throttle. And your thumb is already near the horn button. Pushing the +horn button is one simple move. Revving the throttle requires either +engaging the clutch, or accelerating. The first is a more complex +manuver than a simple horn button push, and the second ain't too bright +when there is a potential hazard ahead. Besides, the unique sound of a +horn is more effective in attracting the attention of BDI cagers than +is the sound of an engine, which is what they expect to hear (you are +on the road!). + +As is usually the case, a single anecdote hardly constitutes sound +safety procedure. + +The answer is 161.33 feet. + +--- +Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, + Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, +DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |""Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"" + (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do... + +",8 +10893,"From: fpa1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams) +Subject: Pork ( C-17 & C-5 was (Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE ) +Oanization: Mississippi State University +Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu +Organization: Mississippi State University +Lines: 30 + +muellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller) writes: +>fpa1@Trumpet.CC.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams) writes: +>>> +>>>Eliminate the C-17 transport. +>> +>>Wrong. We need its capability. Sure it has its problems, ........ +> +>If you read Aviation Week, the C-5 line can be reopened and the C-5s +>would be delivered a year earlier and cost a billion less for the +>program. Politically, though, the C-17 is popular pork. + +I do read Av Week and don't remember this. Could you supply the date +of the magazine? As for C-17 vs. C-5 , the C-17 can't carry as much +but has more capability ( read : can land at smaller airfields of which +there are more of ) than the C-5. Now is the C-17 pork? It depends +on whether your job relies on it or not. :) In California right now, +I would say that it is not pork since due to peace dividend so many +people are out of work. + +>The question is whether Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down +>a pork happy Congress. +> +>-- Marc Mueller + +Huh? Shouldn't that read ""The question is whether a social-pork happy +Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down a jobs-pork happy +Congress."" + +fpa + +",18 +10759,"From: neal@magpie.linknet.com (Neal) +Subject: Re: race and violence +Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC +Distribution: usa +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] +Lines: 8 + +I replied to your message, however, it is listed as a new topic with +the title: ""rnitedace and violence"". Possibly line noise or error +caused to post as a new topic. I see it here as #100. + +Regards, + +Neal + +",18 +9664,"From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) +Subject: Re: AMA Support Brady Bill +Lines: 27 +Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education + +In article <1r044aINNh9f@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes: + +>The following was sent to me by a friend of mine (a med student). It +>originally appeared in a medical discussion list. +> +>--GUN CONTROL - The AMA expressed support for S. 414 and H.R. 1025 (the ""Brady +>--Handgun Violence Prevention Act""). Citing its strong support for the ""Brady +>--Bill"" in past Congresses, the AMA termed as ""particularly alarming"" violence +>--associated with, and stemming from, the widespread and easy availability and +>--use of firearms. The AMA proceeded to comment: ""While we recognize that a +>--waiting period of 5 business days before a handgun purchase will not address +>--all of the difficult problems that have made violence so prevalent in our +>--society, we believe that it is a beginning and will save lives. Physicians +>--are first-hand witnesses to the horrendous cost in human life being exacted +>--by firearm violence. A reasonable waiting period before the purchase of a +>--handgun is a protection that the American people deserve."" (Letters to +>--Senator Howard M. Metzenbaum and Representative Charles E. Schumer; March 11, +>--1993.) + + I wonder if the AMA has an exact listing of ""lives saved"" in +Tennessee, California, and other waiting period states. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group +PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day +your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't +love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" +",16 +9110,"From: mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) +Subject: Re: cause +Lines: 38 + +trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes: +>norris@athena.mit.edu writes: +> [some stuff deleted] +>> Fortunately for the convenience of us believers, there is a class of +>> questions that can never be reduced away by natural science. For +>> example: why does the universe exist at all? +> +>Must there be a ""why"" to this? I ask because of what you also +> assume about God-- namely, that He just exists, with no ""why"" +> to His existence. So the question is reversed, ""Why can't +> we assume the universe just exists as you assume God to +> ""just exist""? Why must there be a ""why"" to the universe?"" +[remainder of message deleted] + +Pardon me for replying to only a portion of your message :) + +The reason we can say ""God just exists"" and can't say ""The universe just +exists"" is because the universe is a natural realm and is subject to natural +laws in general and the law of cause and effect in particular. That is, we +observe in nature that every cause has an effect, and every effect was produced +by a cause. The existence of the natural realm, as an effect itself, cannot be +its own cause; it must therefore have a supernatural cause. + +God, on the other hand, is a supernatural being, and is therefore not subject +to such natural laws as the law of cause and effect. As a supernatural being, +God's eternal existence does not imply a previous cause the way the existence +of a physical, natural cosmos does. Thus, those who believe in the +supernatural have a valid basis for accepting the existence of uncaused +phenomena such as the eternal God, whereas those who deny the existence of the +supernatural are faced with the dilemma of a physical universe whose very +nature shows that it is not sufficient to explain its own existence. + +This is, of course, an oversimplification of a complex topic, but I just wanted +to clarify some important differences between the supernatural (God) and the +natural (the universe), since you seem to mistake them as being +interchangeable. + +- Mark +",15 +11309,"From: psyrobtw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) +Subject: 18 Apr 93 God's Promise in Philippians 4:9 +Organization: University at Buffalo +Lines: 8 +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 +Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu + + + Those things, + which ye have both learned, and received, + and heard, and seen in me, + do: + and the God of peace shall be with you. + + Philippians 4:9 +",19 +1572,"From: Doug Ward +Subject: Drivers for Stealth 24 +Reply-To: doug@sun.sws.uiuc.edu +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 7 + +I recently purchased a Diamond Stealth 24 Video card and received +the wrong drivers. Does anyone know where I can ftp the proper +drivers? The dstlth file at cica does not work with +this video card. Please respond to doug@sun.sws.uiuc.edu + +Thank you +Doug Ward +",2 +6522,"From: gtoal@news.ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) +Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] +Organization: /etc/organization +Lines: 17 +NNTP-Posting-Host: dorothy.ibmpcug.co.uk +Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx + +In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: +> +>Though some may argue about the nose of the camel, it's worth noting that +>the government proposal is limited to scrambled telephony. If it is only +>used for that purpose, and does not extend to electronic mail or file +>encryption, then it IS an improvement over the current mass-produced +>standard civilian technology which, with a few exceptions, is limited to +>easy-to-break inverters. + +Try reading between the lines David - there are *strong* hints in there +that they're angling for NREN next, and the only conceivable meaning of +applying this particular technology to a computer network is that they +intend it to be used in exclusion to any other means of encryption. + +Don't be lulled by the wedge because its end looks so thin. + +Graham +",11 +4933,"From: asper@calvin.uucp (Alan E. Asper) +Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles... +Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization +Lines: 25 +NNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.sbc.com + +In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes: +>2) What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance? I turn 18 in +>about a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up +>till now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a +>motorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes +>a difference) + +It depends on the bike. Once you've found a bike you're interested in, call +some insurance companies for rates. Some bikes are much cheaper to insure than +you might think (my EX-500 only costs me $127/year in St. Louis; I'm 27) +> +>3) Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it? + +For a first bike, I recommend 500cc's or less. And a bike short enough to get +both feet on the ground when you stop. + +The one piece of advice EVERYONE will give you is to take a Motorcycle Safety +Foundation Rider's Course. See a dealer for details. In some states, completion +of such a course can give you a break on insurance. It will also teach you +to ride properly from the beginning, so you won't learn any bad habits. + +Good luck. Riding a motorcycle is the most fun you can have, naked or otherwise. + +Alan + +",8 +6736,"From: res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) +Subject: Re: The Old Key Registration Idea... +Organization: Little to None +Lines: 18 + +In article <1qn1ic$hp6@access.digex.net> pcw@access.digex.com (Peter Wayner) writes: +>That leads me to conjecture that: +... +>2) The system is vulnerable to simple phone swapping attacks + +I seriously doubt that any practical implementation of this proposal would +place the onus on the individual to register keys. Realistically, the +Clipper-Chip will probably emit an ID code which will serve as the identifier +when requesting the key fragments. The chip manufacturer would register +this identifier code vs. key combination when the chip is made and the +(uninitiated) end-user can therefore remain completely outside the loop. +The chip could be used in a cellular phone, a modem, or other device -- +it really makes no difference: When the authorities detect the use of this +encryption standard during surveillance, they would then capture the ID +and apply for the key in order to decrypt the data. +-- +Rob Stampfli rob@colnet.cmhnet.org The neat thing about standards: +614-864-9377 HAM RADIO: kd8wk@n8jyv.oh There are so many to choose from. +",11 +7496,"From: leblanc@cvm.msu.edu (Pat Leblanc) +Subject: wireless data transfer +Organization: Michigan State University, College of Veterinary Medicine +Lines: 5 +NNTP-Posting-Host: inst0027.cvm.msu.edu + +I am involved with a Michigan company that has an application requiring +wireless data transfer. If you have expertise or information that may +assist us in this project, please contact me (INTERNET: leblanc@cvm.msu. +edu). + +",12 +5195,"From: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve C Liu) +Subject: Re: NO JOKE: ROCKIES HAVE ATTENDANCE RECORD!!!! +Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA +Lines: 23 +Distribution: usa +Expires: 5/9/93 +NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu +Summary: OPCY is just too small... + +Hell, the Orioles' Opening Day game could easily be the largest in history +if we had a stadium with 80,000 seats. But unfortunely the Yards (a +definitely excellent ballpark) only holds like 45,000 with 275 SRO spots. +Ticket sales for the entire year is moving fast. Bleacher seats are almost +gone for every game this year. It's a extremely likelyhood that the O's +could sell out every game this year (especially if we lead the division for +most of the year like '89). + On another front, the sale of the Orioles to anyone is likely to be +forced upon Eli Jacobs who is major debt apparently. Maybe we can get an +owner willing to spend on a proven rightfielder free agent in the winter. + Fernando has made the O's as the fifth starter. The O's pitching +staff looks pretty good. Sutcliffe, Mussina, McDonald, Rhodes, and Fernando. + Baltimore is my pick for the victors in a very competitive AL East. +__________________________________________________________________________ +|Admiral Steve C. Liu Internet Address: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu| +|""Committee for the Liberation and Intergration of Terrifying Organisms | +|and their Rehabilitation Into Society"" from Red Dwarf - ""Polymorph"" | +|****The Bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed!****| +| This sig has been brought to you by... Frungy! The Sport of Kings! | +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + Second to last day of the season - Gregg (The True Wild Thing) Olson +uncorks a wild pitch allowing the Blue Jays to tie. Blue Jays win in the +11th and ends the Baby Birds' miracle season of '89. +",9 +8514,"From: mrf4276@egbsun12.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Matthew R. Feulner) +Subject: Re: Lunar Colony Race! By 2005 or 2010? +Nntp-Posting-Host: egbsun12.draper.com +Organization: Draper Laboratory +Lines: 18 + +In article <1993Apr20.234427.1@aurora.alaska.edu>, nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: +|> Okay here is what I have so far: +|> +|> Have a group (any size, preferibly small, but?) send a human being to the moon, +|> set up a habitate and have the human(s) spend one earth year on the moon. Does +|> that mean no resupply or ?? +|> +|> Need to find atleast $1billion for prize money. + + +My first thought is Ross Perot. After further consideration, I think he'd +be more likely to try to win it...but come in a disappointing third. + +Try Bill Gates. Try Sam Walton's kids. + +Matt + +matthew_feulner@qmlink.draper.com +",14 +7455,"From: baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Baden de Bari) +Subject: *]] MOSFET help... +Organization: The Inquiring Mind BBS 1 204 488-1607 +Lines: 28 + + + Since I'm not all too keen on this area of hooking them up, I'm +asking for help. I know better than to hook a 12v, 1a stepper line to +one, unless it can take it; however what about if I've got a 24-60v +stepper. What sort of curent limmiting circuitry would be involved (a +small schematic would probably be helpfull). + Also, I've looked into the TIPC2701N by TI, and I was wondering +if I should use the same suggested (by you replying to this message) +current limiting circuitry on each of the 7 mosfets in the package as +that illustrated in the schematic (which you the replyer would hopefully +help me with). + + ... hmm... different request... + + Thanks. + + + _________________________________________________ + Inspiration | ___ | + comes to | \ o baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca | + those who | ( ^ ) baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca | + seek the | /-\ =] Baden de Bari [= | + unknown. | | + ------------------------------------------------- + + +baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca +The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba 204 488-1607 +",12 +678,"From: thinman@netcom.com (Technically Sweet) +Subject: What is reverse or negative video? +Organization: International Foundation for Internal Freedom +Lines: 23 + +I'm interested in simulating reverse (or negative) color video +mathematically. What is the transform? Is it a simple +reversal of the hue value in the HSV color space? Is it +a manipulation in the YUV color space? How is it related +to solarization? + +If you want to see something truly wild, turn on the +reverse video effect on a camcorder so equipped, +and point it at the monitor. This creates a chaotic +dynamical system whose phase space is continuous along +rotation, zoom, focus, etc. Very very surprising and +lovely. I'd like to write a simulation of this effect +without analog grunge. Thanks for any info you may have. + +Please e-mail any info to me. I'll post a summary. + +Thanks, + +-- + +Lance Norskog +thinman@netcom.com +Data is not information is not knowledge is not wisdom. +",1 +6377,"From: e8l6@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Rocket) +Subject: Dear Montana@pinetree.org Re: Hockey Pool +Distribution: rec.sport.hockey +Organization: University of New Brunswick +Lines: 15 + + + + Hi there, I can't seem to get mail to you. Can you tell me your entire +adress, or even your dotted decimal address? + + (ie. 131.202.3.10) + + Thanks, + rocket@calvin.cs.unb.ca + +-- + +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- +- - +- Maurice Richard - +",10 +5457,"From: (Sean Garrison) +Subject: Re: WHAT'S WITH ALL THESE SCORES? +Nntp-Posting-Host: berkeley-kstar-node.net.yale.edu +Organization: Yale University +Lines: 23 + +In article <1qplh7$e2g@agate.berkeley.edu>, jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu +(Joseph Hernandez) wrote: + +> If people on USENET really don't want to see the postings I do to +> rec.sport.baseball on a daily basis, please just let me know. If the response +> is overwhelming against the posts, I won't do it anymore. +> +> Thanks for your time. +> +> Joseph Hernandez + + + +Mr. Hernandez Ñ- + + I apologize for the misunderstanding. I explained that I know that it +is essential for some fans to get scores here, for they cannot get them +elsewhere. I have no problem with what you do, posting scores AFTER the +games have been completed. However, like I said earlier, I don't think it +is a necessity to post scores during the middle of games, like some others +have come to practice. + + - Sean +",9 +4454,"From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) +Subject: Re: saturn -- puzzled by its pricing +Distribution: na +Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca +Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta +Lines: 37 + +In article <1993Mar31.181813.24122@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes: +>In article <1pcgv5$oj9@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: +>>jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes: +>>>Because I want to get the lowest price possible, it's called capitalism. +>> +>>I have news for you -- capitalism is the practice of maximizing +>>profits. +> +>Same difference, if you lower your costs you increase your profits. +> +>>Personally I'm not at all bothered by the Saturn pricing scheme. If I +>>don't want to pay as much as they're selling it for, I can go buy a +>>different car from a different dealer and they get nothing. That's +>>competition for you. If the dealer can be competitive charging what +>>they do and making that kind of profit, that's capitalism at it's best +>>and more power to 'em. +>> +> +>I'd rather have the consumer dictate what things will cost not the +>dealers. + +Sorry, but *neither* 'dictates' the cost. It's a negotiation. +Whether it's up front at a honda dealership in an all out +dickering war, or more removed on a larger economic scale +(ie, if saturn can't sell at it's price, the price drops, +or the company stops building them), it remains a negotiated +value controlled by market forces. To think that the consumer +controls price is ludicrous. If the consumer controled +price, then cars would be *free*...And no one would build +cars. + +Regards, Charles +-- +Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of +separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, +struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing +gourd. --Unknown net.person +",7 +9821,"From: crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com (Ron Phillips) +Subject: Randy Weaver Trail - Day 3 +Nntp-Posting-Host: hound +Reply-To: crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com +Organization: ""Intergraph Electronics, Mountain View, CA"" +Distribution: usa +Lines: 85 + +This was posted to the firearms-politics mailing list. +============================================================= +Hi Folks; + +Thursday, April 15 marked Day 3 of the trial. + +This day marked the first testimony of the trial. Deputy +U.S. Marshal Larry Cooper took the stand for the prosecution. + +The short version is that his testimony was consistent with +the opening statements for the prosecution. + +Cooper testified that he had arrived in Spokane (Washington) +on August 17, 1992 to participate in a surveillance operation +with five other deputies near the Weaver cabin. The team was +using night vision equipment for surveillance, and split up +into two teams of three people. The six later met at an +observation point above the cabin. After this, deputies +Cooper, William Degan, and Arthur Roderick began a descent to +scout further possible surveillance sites. + +Cooper told the court that Roderick threw two large rocks into +a gully to see, ""whether the [Weaver family] dogs would respond."" +Striker, the Weaver's yellow lab, started toward them barking +loudly. Roderick led the three in a run from the area. + +They ran through some dense woods into an open area [called the +""fern field""] with the dog in pursuit. By this time, Kevin +Harris and Samuel Weaver had joined the chase. The surveillance +team had reached a Y in the road: Cooper decided that they should +take cover in the woods because otherwise they would be an easy +target and might be ""shot in the back."" + +As Degan reached the Y, he spotted Randy Weaver coming down the +road from the cabin ahead. Weaver was startled but did not fire. + +At this moment, Striker reached Degan, and Cooper had to ""fend +him off with his gun."" [It is unclear whether this means he +clubbed the dog or shot the dog]. Both Cooper and Degan then +took cover in the woods. According to Cooper, Kevin Harris and +Samuel Weaver continued walking down the road, apparently not +noticing the two. After they had passed by on the road, Degan +got up on one knee, raised his gun, and shouted, ""Stop! U.S. +Marshal!"" Harris then ""...brought the weapon around at hip level +and fired. He didn't bring the weapon up to eye level. I saw +Bill's arm going back, and I knew he had been hit."" Cooper fired +at Harris, and Harris went down. Cooper then brought his weapon +to bear on Samuel, but did not fire. At this point, Cooper then +heard two shots to his right. Samuel Weaver looked in the +direction of the shots, yelled, ""You son of a bitch!"" and ran +toward them. Cooper then realized that shots were coming at him +from directly ahead, so he fired a three-round burst at the +cabin. At this point he then saw Samuel Weaver running toward +the cabin. When Cooper reached Degan, he placed his first two +fingers on Degan carotid artery, counted two or three beats, and +then his heart stopped. Shortly thereafter, Roderick and the +other three marshals joined him. They then all heard a large +burst of gunfire from the area around the cabin. + +On cross-examination, David Nevin questioned the point of +throwing rocks into the gulley, asking, ""You wanted to lure that +dog out so you could shoot that dog, didn't you?"" Nevin also +pointed out that in last September's testimony, Cooper had +claimed that he spotted Weaver after the dog had left him. +Cooper claimed that he had gone over the events in his head and +decided that Thursday's account was correct. Nevin continued the +cross-examination by asking what Cooper would have done had an +armed man dressed in full camouflage jumped out of the woods at +him [no answer was available]. + +Friday, April 16 marks continued cross-examination of Cooper. + +Notes: There was no coverage of protestors. + +Drew +============================================================== + +-- +************************************************************** +* Ron Phillips crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com * +* Senior Customer Engineer * +* Intergraph Electronics * +* 381 East Evelyn Avenue VOICE: (415) 691-6473 * +* Mountain View, CA 94041 FAX: (415) 691-0350 * +************************************************************** +",16 +6562,"From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) +Subject: Re: The source of that announcement +Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 +Lines: 37 + +Marc Horowitz N1NZU (marc@mit.edu) wrote: +: The message from the NIST about the clipper chip comes from the +: following address: +: +: clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) +: +: Just who is that, I asked myself, or rather, I asked the computer. +: +: % telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov 25 +...list of name elided for brevity...... +: +: Well, isn't that interesting. Dorothy Denning, Mitch Kapor, Marc +: Rotenberg, Ron Rivest, Jim Bidzos, and others. The Government, RSA, +: TIS, CPSR, and the EFF are all represented. I don't suppose anybody +: within any of these organizations would care to comment? Or is this +: just the White House's idea of a cruel joke on these peoples' inboxes? + +I know that at least one person on that list says the first he heard +of Clipper was in the Friday morning newspaper! And another has +already fired off a letter of protest to NIST. + +My point? I suspect this list, interesting as it is for various +reasons, does not represent the cabal that put this proposal together. +Some of them, yes. Others, no. + +This may be nothing more than a mailing list of people who get +crypto-related announcements from NSA, er, I mean ""NIST."" + +-Tim May +-- +.......................................................................... +Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, +tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero +408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, +W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. +Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. + +",11 +2489,"From: sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu +Subject: Re: LCIII problems +Organization: University of Houston +Lines: 32 +Reply-To: ln63sdm@sdcc4.ucsd.edu +NNTP-Posting-Host: transposon.bchs.uh.edu + +In article <1993Apr16.021225.19717@leland.Stanford.EDU> Ravi Konchigeri + writes: +> Finally got my computer fixed and I'd like to sum up. +> +> About hard drive companies: the original 160 meg drive that was bad (bad +> sector or something) was an IBM. The new one is a Quantum. Is the LCIII +> supposed to be shipped with IBMs? Is there a quality difference? +> Apparently! :) +> +> Second, about hard drive position. I've put the LCIII on its side and +> the new 160 HD has had no problems at all. I've even switched back and +> forth between horizontal and vertical and there are no problems. As far +> as I'm concerned I don't believe HD position is important for drives up +> to 160 meg, in any computer. Don't know about CD-ROM, though. +> +> +> ""Just like everything else in life, the right lane ends in half a +mile."" +> +> Ravi Konchigeri. +> mongoose@leland.stanford.edu + +Ravi, + + Its not a good idea to have a horizontally formatted hard disk in a +vertical position. If the drive is formatted in a horizontal position, it can +not completely compensate for the gravitational pull in a vertical position. +I'm not saying that your hard disk will fail tomorrow or 6 months from now, but +why take that chance? If you want more detailed info on the problem, please +mail me at:===> sunnyt@dna.bchs.uh.edu <===. + +Sunny +",4 +8608,"From: dante@shakala.com (Charlie Prael) +Subject: Re: Moonbase race +Organization: Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA +1-408-734-2289 +Lines: 20 + +sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) writes: + +> Allen, sometimes I think you're OK. And sometimes you tend to rashly leap in +> making statement without thinking them out. +> +> Wanna guess which today? +> +> You'd need to launch HLVs to send up large amounts of stuff. Do you know +> of a private Titan pad? + + +Doug-- Actually, if memory serves, the Atlas is an outgrowth of the old +Titan ICBM. If so, there's probably quite a few old pads, albeit in need +of some serious reconditioning. Still, Being able to buy the turf and +pad (and bunkers, including prep facility) at Midwest farmland prices +strikes me as pretty damned cheap. + +------------------------------------------------------------------ +Charlie Prael - dante@shakala.com +Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA +1-408-734-2289 +",14 +3524,"From: sbrogii@copernicus.Tymnet.COM (Scott Brogley) +Subject: dodge wagon for sale +Summary: 1964 Dodge Dart V8 wagon $300/negotiable +Keywords: 1964 Dodge Dart wagon 273ci v8 sale 300 $ for california cal CAL Bay Area bay area Cal +Article-I.D.: tymix.3647 +Organization: 2M&I +Lines: 20 +Nntp-Posting-Host: copernicus + +To: Dodge Dart collectors + +I have a 1964 Dodge (25th anniversary) Dart 273ci V8 wagon to turn into cash. +My asking price is $300.00 although we can negotiate. The car currently +resides in Union City, California. Thats on the east side of the San Francisco +Bay Area in the state of California of the United states of America on the +continent of North America of the planet Earth, third planetary body out from +Sol, a mid range yellowish star in the Western Spiral Arm of the Milkyway +Galaxy. + +toowhit: north of Silicon Valley + +if interested pleas contact Scott by the following means: + internet sbrogii@tymnet.com + home answering machine 510.489.6165 + business voice mail 408.922.6547 + loud yell & wave money out the window + ^(not recommended in downtown urban environment) + +ps. I also have a `72 BMW r60/5 for sale, $700.00. +",6 +11081,"From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) +Subject: Re: Comments on the Koresh 3-02 Transcript +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 +Nntp-Posting-Host: utarlg.uta.edu +Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington +Lines: 102 + +In article <1993Apr14.200259.20419@microsoft.com>, +iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes... + +(stephen) wrote: +>>Correction to my prior post, proper citation is: +>> +>> Isaiah 30:26 -- Moreover the light of the moon shall +>> be as the light of the sun, and the light of the +>> sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, +>> in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of +>> his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound. +> +>So we have to wait for the sun to nova? + +More along the lines of Hebrews 12:25-29, I reckon... + + See that you refuse not him that speaks. For if they + escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much + more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that + speaks from heaven: + + Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he has promised, + saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also + heaven. + + And this word, Yet once more, signifies the removing of + those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, + that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. + + Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, + let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably + with reverence and godly fear: + + For our God is a consuming fire. + + +Or 2nd Thessalonians 1:7-10... + + And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord + Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, + In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, + and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: + + Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from + the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; + When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be + admired in all them that believe (because our testimony + among you was believed) in that day. + + +Kinda gives Flaming a whole new meaning, I reckon. + + - < > - + +The impression I got from talking with Livingston was that the coming +of the Lord, power-wise, is going to be something that those who are +unprepared can't handle -- kinda like overloading a fuse -- due to +guilt. Somehow it seems to also apply to the entire physical world as +we know it. LF suggests that God doesn't want that and has sent Koresh +as a reminder. + +Seems that those who have been purified through salvation, or that those +protected by the Seals, will be the ones who survive. And no -- I don't +have a good idea yet what ""being shielded by the seals"" actually involves +or how exactly it relates to salvation. (Other than it involves the +marriage of the Bridegroom and the Bride... for those of you Biblical +well versed.) + - < > - + +Me personally, I'm totally 100% dependent on God through Christ, so +if God wants me to understand, good. If not, also good. If God wants +to save me, or dispose of me, that's great either way. Being born in +the Spirit, means being part of the Body of Christ (Ephesians 2), so +who and what I was, matters little. * What's important is loving GOD * + +Come Nova, Nuke, or Apocalypse -- who cares? Satan might even be able +to pull off a pretty convincing fake. Big deal. Not worth fearing or +worrying about though, not before: + + + -* The Greater Glory of GOD *- + + +Maybe Koresh is right, maybe he isn't, and it should be interesting to +see the new message (or prophecy). The tour of the Bible I've taken in +studying the passages he points to in the 3-02 text, has been most re- +warding. But the test of prophecy is still the fruit it bears -- which +is not yet clear. + +Much much more important is ""Charity"" -- which by definition *is* -- + + Love for GOD + +(I hope Dear Reader, you've taken all this as an expression of faith, + and not a statement of mere fact. Seems many folks get real upset at + reminders. ;-) + + | +-- J -- + | + | stephen + +",19 +10781,"From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov (John Cobarruvias) +Subject: Re: Newsweek reports Clinton approval ratings... +Organization: NASA/JSC +Distribution: usa +Lines: 28 + +In article <8597@blue.cis.pitt.edu> psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) +writes: +>When I heard the latest approval rating reported for Clinton, I +>laughed so hard I forgot the exact numbers. Maybe one of the +>Clintonettes can refresh my memory... +> +>Has his rating dropped to 48 or 49 percent? Ha HA HA HA HA! +> +>*snick* oh my either way, it's still the lowest rating any President +>has ever mustered in his first 100 days, since these polls started being +taken. + +Hum, I guess this has some significance as opposed to having an incredible +drop during the last days in office. Unfortuantely having a loss in the +polls during the last days of office usually means no re-election. Ask +George. + +> +>He was finished before he started! + +Good one, Roooster. Thats hard to top. + +> +>The Rooster +> +> + + +",18 +4945,"From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) +Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies +Distribution: rec +Lines: 18 +Nntp-Posting-Host: able.mkt.3com.com + +xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: + +>Is it possible to do a ""wheelie"" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive? + +No, it's not possible to countersteer either. + +(for the humor impared :{P PPhhhhhtttttt!) + +********************************************************************* +'86 Concours.....Sophisticated Lady Tom Dietrich +'72 1000cc Sportster.....'Ol Sport-For sale DoD # 055 +'79 SR500.....Spike, the Garage Rat AMA #524245 +Queued for an M900!! FSSNOC #1843 +Two Jousts and a Gather, *BIG fun!* 1KSPT=17.28% +Ma Bell (408) 764-5874 Cool as a rule, but sometimes... +e-mail txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM (H. Lewis) +Disclaimer: 3Com takes no responsibility for opinions preceding this. +********************************************************************* +",8 +9108,"From: MANDTBACKA@finabo.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka) +Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."" +Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. +Lines: 65 + +In jayne@mmalt.guild.org writes: +> gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes: +> +>> Firstly, I am an atheist. I am not posting here as an immature flame +>> start, but rather to express an opinion to my intended audience. +>[deleted] +>> +>> We are _just_ animals. We need sleep, food, and we reproduce. And we +>> die. +> +> I am glad that I am not an atheist. It seems tragic that some people +> choose a meaningless existence. How terrible to go on living only +> because one fears death more than life. + + ?Huh? Okay, so I'm not Eric Molas, but even if that _is_ how he +feels about life, I disagree with it. + + Life, to me, is definitely NOT meaningless; it has precisely the +purpose and meaning I choose to give it. I go on living because I _like_ +living; if I needed any further reason, I'd be free - completely free! - +to pick any reason that suited me. That freedom can be almost +intoxicating; it's probably the closest I've ever been to a 'religious' +experience. I'm *very* glad I am an atheist; I wouldn't be anything +else. + +> I feel so sorry for Eric and +> yet any attempts to share my joy in life with him would be considered as +> further evidence of the infectious nature of Christianity. + + Not unless, in explaining your own subjective experience, you also +try to convert him or proselytize. Merely explaining the effects you +personally experience religion as having on you, is not ""infectious"". +Not unless Eric is paranoid, that is. ;-> + +> As a Christian I am free to be a human person. I think, love, choose, +> and create. I will live forever with God. + + Whatever floats your goat. You sound happy enough; that's fairly +much all that matters, right? + +> Christ is not a kind of drug. Drugs are a replacement for Christ. + + Erh... Pardon, but it strikes me that sentence sounds reversible. + +> Those who have an empty spot in the God-shaped hole in their hearts must +> do something to ease the pain. + + ""Empty spot""? ""God-shaped hole""? I hear such things a lot from +theists; never quite did understand what they were talking about. +I have no such 'emptiness' or 'hole'. Maybe some others do, I wouldn't +know; but I don't, and if I did, I'd seek help about it. Doesn't sound +like a mentally healthy situation at all, walking around with a 'hole' +in oneself. + +> Thank you, Eric for your post. It has helped me to appreciate how much +> God has blessed me. I hope that you will someday have a more joy-filled +> and abundant life. + + Well, not having written that original post, I don't know if it +was intended to be interpreted in such a way; but, having reread it +carefully, I somewhat doubt it. At least, that's not how he gets across +to _me_, your mileage may vary... + +-- + Disclaimer? ""It's great to be young and insane!"" +",15 +174,"From: dpw@sei.cmu.edu (David Wood) +Subject: Re: And Another THing: +In-Reply-To: mangoe@cs.umd.edu's message of 3 Apr 93 00:46:07 GMT +Organization: Software Engineering Institute +Lines: 39 + + + +mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: + +>Keith Ryan writes: +>> +>>You will ignore any criticism of your logic, or any possible incongruenties +>>in your stance? You will not answer any questions on the validity of any +>>opinion and/or facts you state? + +>When I have to start saying ""that's not what I said"", and the response is +>""did so!"", there's no reason to continue. If someone is not going to argue +>with MY version of MY position, then they cannot be argued with. + +But of course YOUR version of YOUR position has been included in the +Charley Challenges, so your claim above is a flat-out lie. Further, +only last week you claimed that you ""might not"" answer the Challenges +because you were turned off by ""included text"". So which is it, do +you want your context included in my articles or not? Come to think +of it, this contradiction has the makings of a new entry in the next +Challenges post. + +By the way, I've kept every bloody thing that you've written related +to this thread, and will be only too pleased to re-post any of it to +back my position. You seem to have forgotten that you leave an +electronic paper trail on the net. + +>>This is the usual theist approach. No matter how many times a certain +>>argument has been disproven, shown to be non-applicable or non-sequitur; +>>they keep cropping up- time after time. + +>Speaking of non-sequiturs, this has little to do with what I just said. And +>have some sauce for the goose: some of the ""disproof"" is fallacies repeated +>over and over (such as the ""law of nature"" argument someone posted recently). + +Now, now, let's not change the subject. Wouldn't it be best to finish +up the thread in question before you begin new ones? + +--Dave Wood +",0 +5612,"From: boone@psc.edu (Jon Boone) +Subject: Re: Why Spanky? +Organization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center, Pittsburgh PA, USA +Lines: 27 +NNTP-Posting-Host: postoffice1.psc.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +On Mon, 12 Apr 93 00:53:14 GMT in <<1993Apr12.005314.5700@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>> Greg Spira (gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote: + +:>Does anybody in the Pittsburgh area know why Mike LaValliere was released? +:>Last year I kept saying that Slaught should get the bulk of the playing time, +:>that he was clearly the better player at this point, but Leyland insisted on +:>keeping a pretty strict platoon. And now he is released? That doesn't +:>make any sense to me. + +Greg, + + The story goes like this: + + Spanky is too slow! If he were quicker, he would still be here. +But with Slaught and Tom Prince, they didn't want to lose Prince in order +to bring up that 11th pitcher. Slaught is about as good as Spanky and +Prince is coming along nicely! + + Don't feel too bad for him. He's still gonna get theat $4,000,000 +over the next two years -- he'll be able to do most of what he wants to +do. + +-- +/*****************************************************************************/ +/* Jon `Iain` Boone Network Systems Administrator boone@psc.edu */ +/* iain+@cmu.edu Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center (412) 268-6959 */ +/* I don't speak for anyone other than myself, unless otherwise stated!!!!!! */ +/*****************************************************************************/ +",9 +4392,"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) +Subject: Re: Opel owners? +Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx +Lines: 31 + +In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: +>gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes: +> +>>I'm looking for information on Opel cars. Now you ask, which model? +>>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater, +>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking. My +>>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition, +>>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run +>>for a while. Does anyone have any info on these cars? The engine +>>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and +>>I am quite interested in it. +>>Thanks! +>>Darren Gibbons +>>gibbonsa@sfu.ca +> +> This would be the manta, would it not??? Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader???? + +Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I'd guess that this is on the same +chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily +be wrong. I think the later Kadett's were sold here as Buick Opels. + +Craig +> +> Chintan Amin +> llama@uiuc.edu +> +>-- +>Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu +>*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA******** + + +",7 +5524,"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing +From: +Subject: Re: Bosox win again! (the team record is 9-3) + <1993Apr18.233404.16702@ncar.ucar.edu> +Lines: 12 + +In article <1993Apr18.233404.16702@ncar.ucar.edu>, amj@rsf.atd.ucar.edu (Anthony +Michael Jivoin) says: +> +>With the ""HAWK"", the Red Sox definitely have a chance for the +>east this year. He brings class, work ethic and leadership to +>the park each day. +> + +too bad he doesn't bring the ability to hit, pitch, field or run. + +bob vesterman. + +",9 +4273,"From: smith@ctron.com (Lawrence C Smith) +Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... +Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc. +Lines: 25 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: smith@ctron.com +NNTP-Posting-Host: glinda.ctron.com + +In article , keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) writes: +>I know that this isn't the group for it, but since you brought it up, +>does anyone have any idea why they haven't ""bombed"" the Waco cult? + +Perhaps it is because witnesses who have left the compound have all +testified that the BATF shot first, they they did not identify themselves +before tossing in concussion grenades (not that anyone inside could have +_heard_ such identification after being near a concussion grenade) and +the announcement from the BATF that they have sealed the warrant under +which they were operating - which was a _search_ warrant, by the way, +_not_ an arrest warrant. In short, perhaps because the BATF is wildly +out of control and perhaps calmer heads have realized that bombing a +compound full of woman and children will not improve their position. +There is a real chance that Koresh will be able to prove self-defense +in court. That will leave - what? - four officers dead and no one to +blame but the BATF. + +Followups directed to alt.activism, where the discussion has raged nearly +as long as the seige, and which shows every sign of not giving up nearly +as soon. + +Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com) No, I don't speak for Cabletron. Need you ask? +- +Liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want, +it is the freedom to do whatever we are able. +",7 +1288,"From: make@cs.tu-berlin.de (M. Kerkhoff) +Subject: Re: Using Microsoft Foundation Classes with Borland C++ 3.1 +Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany +Lines: 17 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: troll.cs.tu-berlin.de +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit + +Hi all, + +has anybody tried to compile CTRLTEST from the MFC/SAMPLES directory, +after compiling the MFC-libs with BWC ? + +Seems to me, that BWC isn't able to distinguish pointers to overloaded +functions. +For example, imagine the following 2 (overloaded) functions: +void same_name ( void ) +void same_name ( int ) + +After trying the whole day, I think, with BWC its impossible to take the +adress of one of the above two functions and assign it to a properly defined +function pointer. +Am I right ? Has anybody else had this problem ? + + thanx +",2 +7103,"From: rich1@netcom.com (Richard Soennichsen) +Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???) +Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) +Lines: 1 + +The Bmw speedo is triggered by a reed switch\magnet assembly in the differential. I would think that this signal would be easy to reproduce. +",12 +3005,"From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman) +Subject: Compiling help +Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project +Lines: 12 + +I'd like to compile X11r5 on a Sony NWS-1750 running NEWS 4.1c. The +X distribution has support for this config, and the release notes say +it has been tested on the machine. BUT, also in the release notes, +nothing from Sony is listed under the supported servers. What am I +supposed to use for my r5 X server then? How can the OS be supported, +but not the hardware? Is there something in the r4 binaries that can +be used as the r5 server? These may seem like silly questions, but +I'm *really* confused. +-- +mike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu + +""I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class."" -Unknown +",5 +337,"From: eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk (A.Wainwright) +Subject: Re: some thoughts. +Keywords: Dan Bissell +Reply-To: eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk (A.Wainwright) +Organization: Nottingham University +Lines: 28 + +In article , healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) writes: +|> I hope you're not going to flame him. Please give him the same coutesy you' +|> ve given me. +|> +|> Tammy + + +If a person gives a well-balanced reasoned argument, Tammy, then all are +happy to discuss it with him. If he makes astounding claims, which are not +backed up with any evidence then he must be expected to substantiate them. +If the original author had said that everything was his own opinion and not +supportable then people would have simply ignored him. He did not. He +claimed many things and his logic was seriously flawed. His argument was for +christianity in an effort to try to convince atheists like myself to believe +him and his message. I for one will not take things as read. If you told me +that pink fluffy elephants did the dance of the sugar plum fairy on the dark +side of Jupiter then I would demand evidence! + + +Adda + + +-- ++-------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ +| Adda Wainwright | Does dim atal y llanw! 8o) | +| eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk | 8o) Mae .sig 'ma ar werth! | ++-------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ + +",0 +2084,"From: twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong) +Subject: Re: Date is stuck +Organization: Dept. of Civil Engineering, U.B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada +Lines: 15 +NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.civil.ubc.ca + +In article <1qte10$kn5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) writes: +> +>I can't imagine why someone would leave their computer on all of +>the time to start with. Its like leaving your lights tv, radio +>and everything in the house on all of the time to me.....Nuts + + +We have plenty of computer labs where the computers are left on all the +time. I don't see any shorter lifespan than the ones we have in the +offices which does get turned off at the end of the day. In fact, some +of the computers in the labs have outlived some of the same ones in the +offices. But it goes both ways so can't conclude anything. + +Thomas. + +",3 +6009,"From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) +Subject: USENET Playoff Pool (IMPORTANT) +Organization: IDACOM, A division of Hewlett-Packard +Lines: 15 + +I got back from my trip to discover that my email spool file got blown +away. I am missing all the playoff pool entries sent between April 5 +and April 17. It looks like about 200 entries got lost. *Sigh*. + +Therefore, I would like to ask each person that sent me a team to resend +it ASAP. I am relying on your honesty to not make changes after the +deadline today. + +Thanks in advance, and I apologize for the problem. + +-- +Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com +HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 + +During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old... +",10 +4526,"From: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello) +Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time +Reply-To: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello) +Distribution: usa +Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD +Lines: 25 + +x>> +x>>>> Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs. +x>>>> Any gold trim. +x > +x>>> These, I will agree, are abominations, right along with the fake +x>>>continental spare-tire kit -- it's sad watching those little old ladies +x>>>try to load their groceries into the trunk with that huge tire-medallion +x>>>in the way. +x>>> Most pitiful fake convertible top: on a ""Cadillac"" Cimarron, with +x>>>all the chrome door trim still visible -- not fooling *anyone*. +x>>>Of course, there was that Hyundai Excel I once saw... +x>> +Least you think bad taste is something new: +Back in the early 1970s I saw a couple of cars with *flocked* paint jobs. +Thats not a typo. I think they sprayed on some kind of glue then blew +on tiny pieces of nylon. It comes out looking like felt. Can you picture +a huge Plymouth Fury III in dark blue felt? I think I can even remember +one guy who did it in red to a early 1960s Corvette. That was after he had +turned it into a station wagon. +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +Mack Costello Code 65.1 (formerly 1720.1) +David Taylor Model Basin, Carderock Division Hq. NSWC ___/-\____ +Bethesda, MD 20084-5000 Phone (301) 227-2431 (__________>| + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +",7 +1276,"From: slg@slgsun.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic) +Subject: How do I quickly switch between Windows screen resolutions? +Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Columbus, Ohio +Distribution: na +Nntp-Posting-Host: slgsun.cb.att.com +Lines: 18 + + +Can someone out there tell me how to switch Window's screen resolution +quickly and easily? I know that I can go back into install to do it, +but what I'd really like is to have is the ability to just change a +couple of startup or configuration files and have the resolution +changed. I already have both video drivers that I need on my system, +so that isn't a problem. + +Thanks, + +Sean. + +--- +Sean L. Gilley +sean.l.gilley@att.com <-- USE THIS ADDRESS, ALL OTHERS BOUNCE! +614 236 5031 (h), 614 860 5743 (w) + + +",2 +10982,"From: dan@Ingres.COM (a Rose arose) +Subject: Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor +Organization: Representing my own views here only. +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 +Distribution: usa +Lines: 97 + +regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes: +: In article <1993Mar30.001428.7648@pony.Ingres.COM> dan@Ingres.COM (a Rose arose) writes: +: +: Seriously, though, Griffen didn't save the lives of children, and he did +: destroy the life of a man, so on the most superficial of levels, he's scum. +: + +I almost agree, but Griffen is not scum. Scum has no guilt or freedom to +choose anything. Griffen does. God did not make scum when he made Griffen. +He made a precious person and this person chose to do wrong. The same goes +for Dr. Gunn. + +: But if you are to examine it more closely, Griffen would have preferred that +: these children were born -- yet AFTER their birth, did Griffen have any +: assistance to offer them? Did Griffen intend to support them, educate them, +: raise them up to be useful citizens? Did he have any intent whatsoever +: to help these children after birth? +: + +Here's the real problem. Americans have become so insensitive to the needs +of others and so completely wrapped up in themselves that they cannot see +straight or think clearly enough to make even the slightest and most obvious +moral decisions based on reality. + +If a man abandons a woman to care for their child on her own, he is not +considered to be a very respectable or decent man by anyone. This man has +fled his responsibility, has behaved like a lazy coward, and has turned +away from his responsibility to his wife and child. + +However, if a woman decides to kill her unborn child to release her burden, +she is not thought of in the same way. When the man abandons, the woman +suffers but the child is free to grow up and live a happy and normal life. +When the woman abandons, the child is diced or killed with saline or vacuumed +out, and the man has no choice, and the man sometimes suffers so badly that +he wishes he could trade places with his child. + +Ths root of this whole problem is selfishness--the arrogance that says, ""My +feelings and desires are supreme and your well being is not worth dung."" +And when you come down to it, this is the substance of what hell is made of. +It's the reason a loving God can throw selfish people to the devil and his +demons for all of eternity. Let any one of us unrepentant into heaven, and +we'll ruin it the first chance we get. + +: Now, I don't really know the answer to these questions, but I've got a real +: good guess. +: + +And, it's probably right. + +: And I wouldn't call *that* 'benevolent', either. +: + +It is a move in the right direction. As it is now, we don't see our +responsibility because we kill it and get it out of sight. The media +backs us completely. Real responsibility does not sell. The only +""responsibility"" that sells in the marketplace is that which is just +enough to make us ""feel responsible"" without showing anything that +might show us our own true irresponsibility. We want to ""feel"" like +good people, but we want nothing with *being* good people. Just give +me the freedom to say ""I'm good"", and the rest of the world can burn. +Rape and kill my children and throw my parents to the places where +poor old folks rot until they're dead. I'll hate my brother and sister +if I wish and I'll cheat on my wife or husband. Screw the government, +because it screws me, and don't talk to me about giving to the church +because church people are all a bunch of money grubbing hypocrites. +But, I'm a good person. At least I admit what I do. At least I love +myself and we all know that is the greatest love in the world--not that +a man lay down his life for his brother...That sounds too ""christian"". + +At the root, this is the substance of what hell is made of. + +We've become a self indulgant, backslidden society no longer responsible +to our children, to our parents, to our families, to our government, or +to our God. This is the root behind justification of every evil, of every +corruption in government, of every slanderous remark, of every lie, and +of every murder. Society cannot continue to live like this long. it will +have to destroy itsself soon, and perhaps in the end, that will be the +biggest blessing this world can hope to see. + +Why do people see so much evil in trying to turn this situation around? + +-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------- + ""I deplore the horrible crime of child murder... + We want prevention, not merely punishment. + We must reach the root of the evil... + It is practiced by those whose inmost souls revolt + from the dreadful deed... + No mater what the motive, love of ease, + or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent, + the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed... + but oh! thrice guilty is he who drove her + to the desperation which impelled her to the crime."" + + - Susan B. Anthony, + The Revolution July 8, 1869 + +",19 +5061,"From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) +Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die +Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin +Lines: 29 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.cs.utexas.edu + +In article <1qmi34$g2n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes: +>In article 5049@cvbnetPrime.COM, tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes: +[...] +>>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we +>>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or +>>how long it would take me to push my horn button?? +> +[...] +> +>The answer is 161.33 feet. +> +>--- +>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, +[...] + +Try something like 24.2 feet. + +EdGetACalculator + + + +----- +Tommy McGuire +mcguire@cs.utexas.edu +mcguire@austin.ibm.com + +""...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information, +identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."" + +",8 +2495,"From: johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) +Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? +Keywords: Quadra SCSI APS +Nntp-Posting-Host: me.udel.edu +Organization: University of Delaware +Lines: 19 + +In article <1993Apr16.144750.1568@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine) writes: +>I don't know about the specific problem mentioned in your +>message, but I definitely had SCSI problems between my +>Q700 and my venerable Jasmine Megadrive 10 cartridge +>drives. My solution was to get Silverlining. None of +>the loops that involved blind writes worked to the drives; +>in fact the only loop that worked was the ""Macintosh +>Software"" loop (whatever that means). + +I doubt this is a Quadra-specific problem. I had to get +rid of my ""venerable"" Bernoulli 20 last year (with enough +cartridges purchased at ~$90 each to make the whole thing +worth more than my whole computer ;). The tech support guys +at Ocean Microsystems suggested that some third-party drivers +might fix the problem - in my case the cartridges wouldn't +format/mount/partition for A/UX. +-- +-- Bill Johnston (johnston@me.udel.edu) +-- 38 Chambers Street; Newark, DE 19711; (302)368-1949 +",4 +1964,"From: bss_brucep@vd.seqeb.gov.au (Bruce Powell) +Subject: Re: ESDI with IDE??? -- Yes it should be Possible, +Organization: South East Queensland Electricity Board +Lines: 27 + +In article <1993Apr16.033802.6605@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, els390r@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au (G Chow) writes: +> In article <1qegfd$dqi@wsinis03.info.win.tue.nl> monty@wsinis03.info.win.tue.nl (Guido Leenders) writes: +>>Hi, +>> +>>Is it possible to use an ESDI-controller with HDD together with an +>>IDE-harddisk + controller in one ISA-system? +>> +>>I've read stuff about secondary controllers. Does this trick work? +>> +>>Thanx in advance, +>> +>>Guido +>>monty@win.tue.nl +> +> I have the same question as Guido. It is possible to use the ESDI drive +> as a master and the IDE drive as the slave ? + +I can definitily say that you can use an RLL as Master and IDE as slave, as +I have just upgraded my machine with a 200Mb IDE ( And custom Controller +Mdl CI-1010 Extended IDE Controller ) While maintaining my RLL'd Wren as +master Drive. The trick is the controller which supports up to 4 IDE Drives +while coexisting with existing Controllers ( MFM,RLL,ESDI,SCSI ). + +So according to the Documentation it should work with ESDI, and I can assure +you it works with RLL. + +Bruce Powell email: bss_brucep@vd.seqeb.gov.au +",3 +7340,"From: babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb) +Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? +Organization: SDSU - LARC +Lines: 8 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: larc.sdsu.edu + +> I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that +> this board would be most appropriate. + +try sci.energy + +Jeff Babb +babb@sciences.sdsu.edu babb@ucssun1.sdsu.edu +Programmer, SDSU - LARC +",12 +2420,"From: hew@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu +Subject: Monitor Shut-down on 13"" Hi-Res +Organization: Georgetown University +Lines: 11 +Summary: monitor shutoff on 13"" er's +Reply-To: m_torricelli@unhh.unh.edu +Distribution: world + +THere is a defect in the 13"" hi-res monitors, bring it to a dealer and +they will replace the flyback for free, I think. + + + I just heard of this problem at work today and we are fixing +them for free. + + + ________________ + - / o r r + +",4 +6729,"From: ameline@vnet.IBM.COM (Ian Ameline) +Subject: Facinating facts: 30 bit serial number, possibly fixed S1 and S2 +Organization: C-Set/2 Development, IBM Canada Lab. +Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM +Lines: 106 + +>Hmmm. We must assume that generating the unit key U from the serial +>number N rather than generating it from a randomly selected U1 and U2 +>is an intentional way of assuring a ""fail safe"" for the government -- +>U is completedly determined given S1, S2 and N. If S1 and S2 do not +>change they constitute effective ""master keys"" (along with F), the +>theft of which (or the possession of which by various authorities) +>completely obviates the security of the system. However, more +>interestingly, we know, for a fact that if S1 and S2 are fixed no +>matter what the keyspace for U is no more than 2^30. Why not pick U1 +>and U2 at random? Why this interesting restriction of they key space +>if it NOT to provide an additional back door? +> +>I find it disturbing that at the very best my security is dependant on +>approximately 30 bytes worth of information that could be written on +>the back of a napkin. +> +>Even if S1 and S2 change periodically, the rationale behind this +>restriction in the size of the keyspace seems strange if one is +>assuming that the goal is security -- and makes perfect sense if the +>goal is an illusion of security. +> +>If S1 and S2 do not change, even if they remain secret I wonder if +>they can somehow be back-derived given enough unit key/serial number +>pairs. We are assured that this cannot happen -- but no one +>understands how Skipjack works outside of government officials and, +>soon, foreign intelligence services that gain the information via +>espionage. Presumably we will eventually have the information as well +>-- reverse engineering gets more and more advanced every year -- but +>by the time we know it may be too late. + +Perhaps the trusted escrow agencies can be the ones who come up with +S1 and S2, and if these agencies are really trusted (ACLU & NRA is an +interesting example), we can hope that they'll use some physical +process to come up with truly random numbers. If the NSA comes up with +the numbers, that's a trap door you could drive a truck through. + +>None of this makes me feel the least bit secure. + +Me either. + + It seems from the following that the CPSR is atleats starting to +question this bogosity: + + ---------------------------------------------------------------- +April 16, 1993 +Washington, DC + + COMPUTER PROFESSIONALS CALL FOR PUBLIC + DEBATE ON NEW GOVERNMENT ENCRYPTION INITIATIVE + + Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR) +today called for the public disclosure of technical data +underlying the government's newly-announced ""Public Encryption +Management"" initiative. The new cryptography scheme was +announced today by the White House and the National Institute +for Standards and Technology (NIST), which will implement the +technical specifications of the plan. A NIST spokesman +acknowledged that the National Security Agency (NSA), the super- +secret military intelligence agency, had actually developed the +encryption technology around which the new initiative is built. + + According to NIST, the technical specifications and the +Presidential directive establishing the plan are classified. To +open the initiative to public review and debate, CPSR today +filed a series of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests +with key agencies, including NSA, NIST, the National Security +Council and the FBI for information relating to the encryption +plan. The CPSR requests are in keeping with the spirit of the +Computer Security Act, which Congress passed in 1987 in order to +open the development of non-military computer security standards +to public scrutiny and to limit NSA's role in the creation of +such standards. + + CPSR previously has questioned the role of NSA in +developing the so-called ""digital signature standard"" (DSS), a +communications authentication technology that NIST proposed for +government-wide use in 1991. After CPSR sued NIST in a FOIA +lawsuit last year, the civilian agency disclosed for the first +time that NSA had, in fact, developed that security standard. +NSA is due to file papers in federal court next week justifying +the classification of records concerning its creation of the +DSS. + + David Sobel, CPSR Legal Counsel, called the +administration's apparent commitment to the privacy of +electronic communications, as reflected in today's official +statement, ""a step in the right direction."" But he questioned +the propriety of NSA's role in the process and the apparent +secrecy that has thus far shielded the development process from +public scrutiny. ""At a time when we are moving towards the +development of a new information infrastructure, it is vital +that standards designed to protect personal privacy be +established openly and with full public participation. It is +not appropriate for NSA -- an agency with a long tradition of +secrecy and opposition to effective civilian cryptography -- to +play a leading role in the development process."" + + CPSR is a national public-interest alliance of computer +industry professionals dedicated to examining the impact of +technology on society. CPSR has 21 chapters in the U.S. and +maintains offices in Palo Alto, California, Cambridge, +Massachusetts and Washington, DC. For additional information on +CPSR, call (415) 322-3778 or e-mail . + ----------------------------------------------- +Regards, +Ian Ameline. +",11 +8222,"From: drickel@bounce.mentorg.com (Dave Rickel) +Subject: Re: Quaint US Archaisms +Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr06.090626.21880 +Organization: Mentor Graphics +Lines: 14 +Originator: drickel@bounce +Nntp-Posting-Host: bounce.mentorg.com + + +In article , nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes: +|> Oh, and the other advantage is that you don't have shit constants like +|> 32.??? hanging around. + +No, instead you have stupid things like 3600 and 86400 and 31556925.9747 and +299792.458 and 9.80665 and ... + +How many cc's in a ml anyway? The metric system has its problems, just not +as many of them. + + +david rickel +drickel@sjc.mentorg.com +",14 +6704,"From: metatron!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) +Subject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative +Organization: Metatron Press / Human Systems Performance Group, Austin, TX +X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 +Lines: 17 + +steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) writes: + +> >As a flaming libertarian paranoid extremist (:-), I'at a loss for +> >specific objections that don't sound frighteningly technical. +> +> The idea that foisting the Cripple Chip standard on US manufacturers would +> result in saying ""Sayonara"" to yet another high-tech market isn't technical, +> isn't in the least difficult to understand, and plays on a concern lots of +> people are worried about already.... +> +> + +Could you expand on this? I have a feeling you're right, but I don't quite +understand. +-- +""You could be an ocarina salesman going | Metatron Press | Austin, Texas! +from door to door..."" -- Laurie Anderson | Human Systems Performance Group +",11 +8996,"From: caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) +Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians +Lines: 44 + +(Dean and I write lots and lots about absolute truth and arrogance.) + +vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes: +> I strongly suspect that we are reaching an impasse here, which is why I +> deign from commenting much further. + +I agree that we'll probably never agree, and I'm starting to feel +frustrated, and I'm tired of having my conversations with my husband +dominated by this topic (just kidding, :-)). + +I do have to say, though, that participating in this discussion has been +a good learning experience for me. My views on this topic have evolved +and clarified through this, and I suspect that we may not disagree as +much as we think. + +I admit that I'm strongly prejudiced against evangelical Christianity, +and I may not always be rational in my reactions to it. I grew up +in EC, and went to an EC college. It was definitely the wrong place +for me, and I react strongly to any implication that EC or conservative +Christianity has any sort of stronghold on true Christianity. I shudder +when I remember the condescending attitude I had about other Christians +who didn't adhere to the EC model. + +I have come to see that my real objection to this whole notion of +absolute truth is the actions I have seen it lead to. I have had some +very bad experiences with evangelical Christians claiming to know the +truth, and judging me or others based on their belief that they have +the answers. Knowing the truth doesn't seem to leave a whole lot of +room for others' opinions. + +I can accept your belief in absolute truth as long as you* don't try to +use that belief to try to force others to comply with it, and you are +very careful that you don't hurt others with it. Love your neighbor +seems to go totally out the window when one knows the truth and believes +that everyone should be living by that truth. Other people have +convictions about the truth every bit as strong and sincere as yours, +based on careful searching, prayer, and their relationship with God. +Don't dismiss them because God didn't lead them to the same conclusions +as yours. + +*This is not directed personally at you, Dean. + +Carol Alvin +caralv@auto-trol.com +",15 +6326,"From: dreier@jaffna.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) +Subject: Re: plus minus stat +Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department. +Lines: 59 + <1qmtd1INNr1l@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> +NNTP-Posting-Host: jaffna.berkeley.edu +In-reply-to: gibson@nukta.geop.ubc.ca's message of 16 Apr 1993 18:20:17 GMT + +In article <1qmtd1INNr1l@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> gibson@nukta.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson) writes: + + In article <1993Apr16.160228.24945@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA writes: + > + >In article 9088@blue.cis.pitt.edu, jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald) writes: + > + >>Jagr has a higher +/-, but Francis has had more points. And take it from + >>an informed observer, Ronnie Francis has had a *much* better season than + >>Jaromir Jagr. This is not to take anything away from Jaro, who had a + >>decent year (although it didn't live up to the expectations of some). + > + >Bowman tended to overplay Francis at times because he is a Bowman-style + >player. He plays hard at all times, doesn't disregard his defensive + >responsibilities and is a good leader. Bowman rewarded him be increasing his + >ice time. + > + >Jagr can be very arrogant and juvenile and display a ""me first"" attitude. + >This rubbed Bowman the wrong way and caused him to lose some ice time. + > + >Throughout the year, Francis consistently recieved more ice time than + >Jagr. Althouhg I have never seen stats on this subject, I am pretty + >sure that Jagr had more points per minute played that Francis. When + >you add to that Jagr's better +/- rating, I think it becomes evident + >that Jagr had a better season- not that Francis had a bad one. + > + + Actually, what I think has become more evident, is that you are determined to + flaunt your ignorance at all cost. Jagr did not have a better season than + Francis ... to suggest otherwise is an insult to those with a modicum of + hockey knowledge. Save your almost maniacal devotion to the almighty + plus/minus ... it is the most misleading hockey stat available. + + Until the NHL publishes a more useful quantifiable statistic including ice + time per game and some measure of its ""quality"" (i.e., is the player put out + in key situations like protecting a lead late in the game; is he matched up + against the other team's top one or two lines; short-handed, etc), I would + much rather see the +/- disappear altogether instead of having its dubious + merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications. + +Thank you for posting this. As the person who first brought up the +fact that Jagr has a much higher +/- than Francis, I can assure you +that I brought it up as an example of the absurdity of +/- +comparisons, even on the same team. I never, ever thought that anyone +would argue that Jagr's higher +/- actually reflected better two-way +play. + +In my opinion, Francis's low +/- is purely a result of him being asked +to play against opponents top scorers at all times; the fact that he +can chip in 100 points while neutralizing the other team's top center +is a testament to how valuable he is, even if his +/- suffers. On the +other hand, Jagr, for how big, fast and skilled he is, can't even get +90 points, no matter how inflated his +/- is. + +(By the way, don't get me wrong -- I like Jagr. He may be a lazy +floater, but he turns it on at exactly the right times -- like +overtime of playoff games). + +-- +Roland Dreier dreier@math.berkeley.edu +",10 +3885,"From: dlneal@apgea.army.mil (Dennis L. Neal ) +Subject: C64/128 GAme: ""X-Men"" for sale... +Organization: Edgewood +Lines: 7 +Nntp-Posting-Host: cbda9.apgea.army.mil + +Selling X-men for the C64/128 for only $10 plus shipping. + + +first email gets it... + +thanx, +-Dennis L. Neal dlneal@cbda9.apgea.army.mil +",6 +9406,"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) +Subject: Re: Gun Control: proud to be a Canuck +Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu +Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder +Lines: 29 + +In article <1pqsruINNiae@hp-col.col.hp.com> dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) writes: +>Does anyone really believe the Swiss have had no war within their borders +>because every adult male owns a rifle? I'm a great admirer of the Swiss, but +>500 years of peace on their turf has zilch to do with gun ownership. Can you +>picture Hitler, with Panzers and Focke-Wulfs poised on the border, losing +>sleep over a few thousand expert rifleman? Sure. + +The Swiss population is (and well was) far larger than that. I think +your question should be, ""...losing sleep over a million expert +riflemen?"" Certainly he could have conquered Switzerland, but +a million armed militiamen (especially in a mountainous area, +where tanks' effectiveness is limited) would have made it a +real pain. The question a conqueror would ask, is ""is it worth +the trouble?"" The more difficult an invasion is, the more likely +the answer would be ""no."" Certainly a million riflemen (as +opposed to a professional army of only ten or twenty thousand, the +best a country the size of Switzerland could support), makes +invasions more difficult. + +>Hitler stayed out of Switzerland because the Swiss run the money in this +>world. + +Really? In 1939? I'm not even sure you could prove that today (despite +the steriotype.) Certainly the Swiss bankers were not essential +to the German war-time economy. + + Frank Crary + CU Boulder + +",16 +5651,"From: sheehan@aludra.usc.edu (Joseph Sheehan) +Subject: Re: Young Catchers +Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA +Lines: 120 +NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu +Summary: Lopez is better than current Brave catchers! +Keywords: Solid != good + +>In article mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: +>>In article <1993Apr5.151834.14257@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: + +I'm still catching up from Spring Break, but bear with me... + +>in the bigs, especially when they haven't even played AAA ball. We +>certainly believe this kid is going to be very good some day, but +>there is really no need to rush him, especially since we have a mega- +>million dollar staff that is probably well served by a battery-mate +>who is expereienced in game calling and pitcher handling. Lopez' +>time will come. Let's give him some time in AAA. + + +Javy Lopez has proven, over 1400+ AB in the minor leagues, that he is +ready to play in the majors. He is *not* being rushed. Players who are +clearly too good for AA and play behind stiffs at the major league level +are wasting their time, and may actually have a court case against +major league management for keeping them, at AAA. + +>No. Maybe I need to improve my writing skills. Lopez, who is very +>ordinary defensively, is not likely to hit so well at age 22 +> + +Unless Lopez is *me* defensively (I'm 5'7'', 165 and born to play +second base :-)), he belongs in the major leagues. + +>>training. What does he have to do to earn a chance? Maybe not a full +>>time job, but at least a couple starts and a few AB for him to prove +>>his worth? +> +>Gee. I don't know. 17 abs sounds pretty good to me! About as good +>as your reasoning that the kid should play a back-up role rather +>than start every day at AAA. Talk about *me* as a GM... + +Valentine isn't saying he should back up. He's saying he should be put +in a position to *win* the job in the major leagues, which, IMHO, he +would if given the opportunity. (Val, if I'm misinterpreting, please +let me know.) + +>>So far you have come up with two arguments against Lopez: +>>1) He is very ordinary defensively. +>>2) He is young, and most players suck when they are young. +> +>>The first is irrelevant. He's trying to make the majors with his bat. +>>And the second involves seriously warped reasoning. +>> +>>-Valentine + +>OK. Most players are not ready for the bigs at age 22 (see current +>related posting on Clayton, one of my favorites). Most players +>benefit, rather than being stagnant or hurt, by playing at AAA. +>Most catchers need to be solid defensively players to help their +>clubs in the bigs. Those are the arguments against Lopez for the +>Braves for this year. + +But the players who *are* ready are 1)the best and 2) the ones most +likely to benefit from being in the majors. Javy Lopez is not a middle- +of-the-road prospect. He's the real thing. NOW. + +Again, the most important thing a player can do is hit. Lopez does that +miles better than Olson or Berryhill. If his defense is good enough for +Greenville, or Richmond, it's good enough for Atlanta. If he really was +awful defensively, he would no longer be a catcher. See Sprague, Ed. + +>Now. The Braves have two catchers who have demonstrated solid +>abilities to call games, to work with the pitchers, to throw out +>runners. Not superstars mind you, but solid, experienced veterans. +>The Braves have a very solid lineup with two big bats in the +>outfield, an excellent platoon at first, a solid MVP candidate +>at third and one of the better hitting shortstops. The center +>field platoon will probably hit .300. However good Lopez' +>what they have to offset the differential in experience and +>defensive ability. The kid *will* improve playing at AAA, and +>he probably won't being a reserve with the big club. + +Oh, where to start... OK. First of all, solid != good. I want good players. +Solid is one of those words used to describe nice white guys who really +aren't very good at baseball. Think of it as ""TWG"" without the caps. +It's a losing strategy to say, ""We have solid guys, we don't need to improve."" +You used it four times in that paragraph, BTW. + +Same for experienced. I might add, though, that Greg Olson and Damon +Berryhill aren't exactly Carter and Fisk. Olson has played three years, +Berryhill five, although 90 and 91 were a wash. The only difference, +IMHO, between Olson and Valle is the supporting cast. + +""Two big bats."" Hrm. I like Justice, but I find Mr. Gant's trend disturbing. +Call it one and a maybe. The Braves' platoon is OK, but neither player +has *any* value outside of the platoon. Bream vs. LH and Hunter vs. RH +are awful. I'll leave the thirdbase comment alone. Pendleton has wasted +too much bandwidth already. If the CF platoon hits .300, I'll retrace +Mr. Likhani's midnight run down Forbes, and I live in NY and LA. +(Got that, Mike?) + +And doesn't Cox call pitches, anyway? + +>goodness. Do you believe the other poster who thinks Lopez +>is being held down because of his future earning potential? +>Why on earth do you people thinkthe Braves made this decision? +>Are they idiots who have built this ballclub? Jeeeesh... + +Nope. They're baseball management, possible the most short-sighted +collection of people in the nation. Do you not believe this goes on, +Mark? Do you think Frank Thomas needed those three months in AAA in +1990? Or Cal Eldred wasn't *really* better than Ricky Bones last year? + +>And *I'm* the treasure... + +You're mostly polite; make defensible, if flawed cases; have wit and +have, in the past, admitted being wrong. That does qualify you on r.s.b. +We'll make an SDCN out of you, yet :-) + +>-- The Beastmaster +>Mark Singer +>mss@netcom.com +-- +sheehan@aludra.usc.edu ""...Greg Gohr, pitching more like +Voice: 213 743 0456 Tipper Gore, I'm afraid...""-- + Linda Cohn, SportsCenter 4/8/93 + +",9 +955,"From: shmuel@mapsut.einstein.com (Shmuel Einstein) +Subject: Screen capture -> CYMK converter +Nntp-Posting-Host: mapsut.einstein.com +Organization: Shmuel Einstein & Associates, Inc. +Lines: 20 + +I have a small program to extract a 640x480 image from a vga 16 color screen, +and store that image in a TIFF file. I need to insert the image into a +sales brochure, which I then need printed in 4 color. On a mac, I would +use Photoshop to separate the image into 5 EPS files, and then pull it into +quark express, then get it printed to film on a lintronix at a service bureau. + +However, I don't have a mac, but I do have windows. What would I need to +do this type of operation in the windows 3.1 environment? Are there any +separation programs available on the net? Is there a good page layout program +that I should look into? + +Thanks in advance. + + +-- +Shmuel Einstein, shmuel@einstein.com +Shmuel Einstein & Associates, Inc. +9100 Wilshire Blvd, Suite 235 E +Beverly Hills, CA 90212 +310/273-8971 FAX 310/273-8872 +",1 +10706,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) +Subject: Re: EIGHT MYTHS about National Health Insurance (Pt II) +Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu +Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) +Organization: PhDs In The Hall +Lines: 134 + +harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes: +>FCUS/HEALTH: EIGHT MYTHS about National Health Insurance (Pt II) +> +> An office visit that's $52 in Seattle is $18 in Vancouver +> (Canada). That's because, among other things, they've given their +> government power to bargain with doctors and hospitals over fees. + +The difference in the litigation environment is reflected in the fees. + +Lack of defensive medicine and near-absence of malpractice is really +why we spend less using the most expensive approach of pure insurance +in Canada (along with France and Germany) without HMO's --- the NYT +has admitted that malpractice insurance fees are an order of magnitude +lower in Canada but doctors take-home pay is almost equal to American +doctors; also, minimal bureaucracy 'cos the system is so-o-o simple +(early March). + +Part of the deal for using the all-insurance approach like the French +and Germans do (hey, why don't they criticize France and Germany? Is +it because too many people take French and German in college to make +the accusations stick? (-;) was to preserve the doctors independance. +Since the provincial wings of the CMA are the ones that go to bat when +the fee schedule hikes are presented, the politically-bent doctors +were just cackling when they realized the CMA would grow in strength +rather than diminish, especially when unopposed unlike in socialized +medicine approaches like Britain's National Health Service. + +>""`You've got to remember, you've got a waiting list as well, but it's +>not as obvious. If you're poor and you don't have insurance, you don't +> go to a surgeon. In the States you ration by ability to pay.'"" + +For non-life threatening things, market arguments adequately cover why +certain procedures are in scarcer demand. I have MD friends who can't +make a living as specialists back in Manitoba not due to the insurance +rates but because they won't get enough customers -- the CMA medical +monopoly's grip on doctors licencing (as in the US) aside -- so they +must move to larger places. However, this does not refute debunking +of waiting lines for urgent AND routine care, as has been done in the +U.S. by Consumers Reports, health policy studies cited by Prof. Dennis +E. Shea on USENET, CNN, NYT, etc. + +Doug Fierro has posted a NYT article from 3 weeks ago about Canada's +health insurance approach, on Talk.politics.medicine. There is one +small error in the article: not all of our hospitals are private. + +>WOULDN'T NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE MEAN THAT AMERICANS WHO ARE NOW +>FULLY INSURED MIGHT HAVE TO SETTLE FOR LESS? +> +>In Canada, provincial insurance covers all health costs except dental +>care, eyeglasses, prescription drugs, ambulance service, and private +>hospital rooms, -- so many Canadians do end up buying some private +>insurance. A policy to cover all of these things runs about #40 to $40 +>a month. + +Of course, the one thing to note is that in the Canada/France/Germany +case, private insurance *offloaded* the basic coverage to the public +sector. They realized they were keeping low-risk/high-profit extra +insurance for things like private/semi-private rooms (vs. ward +accomodation), dental, glasses, etc. for corporate or personal +benefits, they'll have nothing to do with you if you want to be +covered for basic care. + +At that point, they wouldn't even consider a ""voucher"" approach +to broker the universal coverage and sell policies to make up +the difference in the federal guidelines and market stuff. + +>****************************************************************** +> +>WOULDN'T FREE CARE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO RUN TO THE DOCTOR FOR EVERY +>ACHE AND PAIN? +> +>People who get free treatment *do* go to the doctor and hospital about +>a third more often than those who have to pay a share of their medical +>bills. +> +>Still, Canadians -- who pay nothing at the doctor's -- have a lower +>per-person health bill than we do. + +It is ""free"" in that there are no deductibles nor copayments (two +things which I advocate to make the Canadian insurance look more like +real health insurance -- which actually it is). I know that when +working in Alberta, Ontario and Quebec, I was aware that I was paying +for health insurance - e.g., in Toronto, OHIP fees were listed on my +pay stub; Manitoba did not collect at paycheque time, but only +annually at income tax time (built into the tax rate). Only fiscal +naifs will proclaim that it's free, along with the Canadian Left for +that is part of their brainwashing agenda. + +The French do have copayments, though. France Magazine's Summer +1992 edition has a fantastic presentation of their basic insurance +coverage, including a sample chart of copayment percentages. For +1-30 days, you're covered for 80% of the public hospital rate, 100% +afterward. With extra private insurance, you can get into a private +hospital and be covered for any differences beyond the public hospital +rate. The public insurance covers 100% beyond 30 days, or the same +cash amount for a private hospital and the difference is paid +out-of-pocket or according to your supplementary private insurance. +Over 2/3rds of French have some form of extra private insurance. So, +the other 30% of health costs in Europe are out of private funds, not +gleaned from other taxes. The GDP figures are combined public and +private expenditures for total outlay using the same methods that +yield the 13-14% figure for the U.S. + +>ISN'T THE PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY JUST TOO BIG +>AND POWERFUL TO KILL? +> +>Dismantling the health segment of our insurance industry would be +>""politically thorny,"" in the quiet words of one advocate for a +>national plan. Some 1,200 firms now sell more than $192 billion in +>health insurance. They'd put up a hard fight. Not only has the industry +>grown eightfold since Canada shut down its own health insurers, but +>our government leaves politicians more open to lobbyists than does +>Canada's parliamentary system. + +Health insurance does exist in Canada and in Western Europe, its +just that it doesn't cover basic care. You can opt out in Canada +and Germany, but you'll have to go uninsured as a result because +there are too few other people that do so --- i.e., no market. + +When private insurance realized how much money they'd make without the +risks involved in basic insurance (e.g., neurosurgery) versus deluxe +amenities (e.g., having to call Granada TV to replace a rental set on +the fritz in someone's private hospital room), they started to pat +themselves on the back for their social responsibility. In Quebec +last spring, a consortium of private insurers publicly warned against +any thoughts of privatizing routine, low cost parts of that province's +public health insurance plan. + +gld +-- +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +Gary L. Dare +> gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! +> gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley +",18 +5423,"From: steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak) +Subject: Re: Old Predictions to laugh at... +Article-I.D.: advtech.1993Apr15.203546.14540 +Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies +Lines: 25 +Nntp-Posting-Host: jaynes.advtech.uswest.com + +> = (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: +>> = (Robert C Hite) writes: + +>>DEAD WRONG! Last time I checked, Jim Fregosi was still managing the +>>Phillies, and doing quite a fine job thank you...best record in +>>baseball at 8-1 + +>Look, asshole, I got him confused with somebody else. I didn't flame +>you, and I would appreciate it if you extended me the same courtesy. + +What _is_ your problem? Hite's post wasn't a flame. It was a +correction of *your* error. + +YOUR reply was a flame. + +>No, I don't know everything in the world. Does that surprise you? + +Not in the least. + + +-- ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Steve Novak | |""Ban the Bomb!"" ""Ban the POPE!!""| ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +steven@advtech.USWest.Com +",9 +7622,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Subject: Re: various migraine therapies +Article-I.D.: pitt.19396 +Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science +Lines: 21 + +In article lindy@olsen.ch (Lindy Foster) writes: +>I've been treated to many therapies for migraine prophylaxis and treatment, +>and it looks like they'll try a few more on me. I have taken propanolol +>(I think it was 10mg 3xdaily) with no relief. I have just been started + + +30mg per day of propranolol is a homeopathic dose in migraine. +If you got fatigued at that level, it is unlikely that you will +tolerate enough beta blocker to help you. +> +>If we go the antidepressant route, what is it likely to be? How do +>antidepressants work in migraine prophylaxis? +> + +Probably a single nightime dose. We don't know how they work in migraine, but +it probably has something to do with seratonin. +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +",13 +2553,"From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo) +Subject: Re: iisi clock upgrades +Organization: University of Washington +Lines: 8 +NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu + +I have read one report of a brave soul who rewired the 40 mhz clock and a higher +speed clock oscillator's outputs through a double throw switch to allow different + speeds. There was no mention of any attempts to switch speeds on the fly but +if the SI uses timing loops anything like a Quadra for accessing its floppy +drive, dynamic switching will wreak havoc. A Quadra must reboot after having its +clock speed significantly changed or it will be unable to properly access its +floppy drive. + +",4 +6834,"From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) +Subject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative +Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA +Lines: 7 +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net + + > er, excuse me but since the escrow agencies aren't yet chosen, how can you + >say they have a ""history of untrustworthy behavoir[sic]""? + + I refer to the Federal law enforcement apparatus (which is ultimately in +charge of this) generally. + + +",11 +3335,"From: marc@pinet.aip.org (Marc Wiener) +Subject: core dump from getcons +Organization: American Institute of Physics +Lines: 12 + +We are getting a memory fault and a core dump whenever we end a Motif +session under Ultrix 4.3, running on a DEC 5000/240. An examintion of the +core file leads us to believe it's from getcons. Does anyone know what +this is all about? + +marc + +-- +Marc Wiener | marc@aip.org +American Institute of Physics | +500 Sunnyside Blvd. | Voice: (516)576-2329 +Woodbury, NY 11797 | Fax: (516)349-7669 +",5 +7565,"From: system@garlic.sbs.com (Anthony S. Pelliccio) +Subject: Re: Beginner's RF ??? +Organization: Antone's Italian Kitchen and Excellence in Operating Network +X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.02 +Lines: 27 + +klink@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.r.klinkner) writes: + +> Can anybody recommend a good, application-oriented beginner's reference +> to RF circuits? +> +> I am pretty good on theory & know what different types of modulation mean, +> but don't have a lot of practical experience. A book detailing working +> circuits of different types (modulation, power, frequency, what is legal, +> what is not, et cetera), would be very helpful. +> +> Thanks. + +Well, you might try the A.R.R.L.'s license study guides. For example, my +Advanced Class study guide has lots and lots of good RF and electronics +theory in it. I would imagine the other books are good too. + +Tony + +----------------------------------------------------------------------- +-- Anthony S. Pelliccio, kd1nr/ae // Yes, you read it right, the // +-- system @ garlic.sbs.com // man who went from No-Code // +-----------------------------------// (Thhhppptt!) to Extra in // +-- Flame Retardent Sysadmin // exactly one year! // +------------------------------------------------------------------- +-- This is a calm .sig! -- +-------------------------- + +",12 +3889,"From: tarq@ihlpm.att.com +Subject: Forsale - Steyr 9mm Parabellum +Organization: AT&T +Lines: 25 + + + FOR SALE - Steyr GB 9mm Parabellum + ---------------------------------- + + + This is an excellent handgun for the first time buyer or + an experienced handgunner. It is in excellent condition. + I never had a misfire with it. + + Make: Steyr Model GB 9mm Parabellum + + Magazine: 18 rounds + + Barrel: Hard-chrome-plated inside and outside for + long term durability and wear resistance. + Fixed mount. + + Price: $375, obo. + + Comes with 2 magazines, original owner's manual. + + Contact: T. Ahmad, ihlpm!tarq, (708)979-0838 (weekdays) + + + +",6 +7277,"From: iisakkil@gamma.hut.fi (Mika Iisakkila) +Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs? +In-Reply-To: rubin@cis.ohio-state.edu's message of 17 Apr 1993 14:05:06 -0400 +Nntp-Posting-Host: gamma.hut.fi +Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland + <1qpgsiINN31p@diplodocus.cis.ohio-state.edu> +Lines: 15 + +rubin@cis.ohio-state.edu (Daniel J Rubin) writes: +>How hard would it be to somehow interface them to some of the popular +>Motorola microcontrollers. + +Not hard, you can do the refreshing and access cycles by software, but +this hogs most of the available CPU cycles on a low-end controller. +I've seen some application note from Philips that used one of their +8051 derivatives as a printer buffer, with up to 1MB of dynamic ram +that was accessed and refreshed with software bit-banging. + +Another alternative would be to use one of those nice DRAM controller +chips that ""create static RAM appearance"" and all that, but they may +be too expensive to make it worthwhile. +-- +Segmented Memory Helps Structure Software +",12 +447,"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) +Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] +Organization: Boston University Physics Department +Lines: 57 + +In article <1993Apr15.215833.15970@bnr.ca> (Rashid) writes: + + +>> What about the Twelve Imams, who he considered incapable of error +>> or sin? Khomeini supports this view of the Twelve Imans. This is +>> heresy for the very reasons I gave above. + + +>I would be happy to discuss the issue of the 12 Imams with you, although +>my preference would be to move the discussion to another +>newsgroup. I feel a philosophy or religion group would be more +>appropriate. + + +I think many reading this group would also benefit by knowing how +deviant the view _as I've articulated it above_ (which may not be +the true view of Khomeini) is from the basic principles of Islam. +So that the non-muslim readers of this group will see how far from +the simple basics of Islam such views are on the face of them. And +if they are _not_ in contradiction with the basics of Islam, how +subtle such issues are and how it seems sects exist in Islam while +they are explicitly proscribed by the Qur'an. + + +>The topic is deeply embedded in the world view of Islam and the +>esoteric teachings of the Prophet (S.A.). Heresy does not enter +>into it at all except for those who see Islam only as an exoteric +>religion that is only nominally (if at all) concerned with the metaphysical +>substance of man's being and nature. + + +In my opinion considering any human being as having a substance +or metaphysical fundamentally different from that of any other human +being _is_ a heretical notion and one proscribed by Islam. + + +>From your posts, you seem fairly well versed in Sunni thought. You +>should seek to know Shi'ite thought through knowledgeable +>Shi'ite authors as well - at least that much respect is due before the +>charge of heresy is levelled. + + +Absolutely! I would be interested in discussing this privately and +I am interested in hearing how one might try to make the concept of +error-free and sinless human beings philosophically consistent with +the teachings of the Qur'an. However, _prima facie_ such attemptsa +are highly susceptible to degenerating into monkery, explicitly +proscribed by the Qur'an. + + +>As salaam a-laikum + +Alaikum Wassalam + + +Gregg + +",0 +8554,"From: jkatz@access.digex.com (Jordan Katz) +Subject: SSRT Roll-Out Speech +Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA +Lines: 101 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net + + SSRT ROLLOUT + + Speech Delivered by Col. Simon P. Worden, + The Deputy for Technology, SDIO + + Mcdonnell Douglas - Huntington Beach + April 3,1993 + + Most of you, as am I, are ""children of the 1960's."" We grew +up in an age of miracles -- Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles, +nuclear energy, computers, flights to the moon. But these were +miracles of our parent's doing. For a decade and more the pundits +have told us - ""you've lost it!"" The ""me"" generation is only +living on the accomplishments of the past. + + You and I have even begun to believe the pessimists. We +listen in awe as the past generation tells of its triumphs. Living +history they are. We are privileged to hear those who did it tell +of it. A few weeks ago some of this very team listened in awe as +General Bernie Schriever told of his team's work - and yes struggle +- to build this nation's Intercontinental Ballistic Missile. + + What stories can we tell? Blurry-eyed telescopes? Thousand +dollar toilet seats? Even our space launch vehicles hearken only +of that past great time. They are and seem destined to remain Gen. +Schriever's ICBMs. I find it hard to swell with pride that the +best new space-lifter idea is to refurbish old Minuteman and +Poseidon ballistic missiles. + + Well - The pessimists are wrong. The legacy is continuing. +This event is proof. To our technological parents: We've listened +to your stories. We've caught your enthusiasm and can-do spirit. +And we've learned from your achievements - and your mistakes. Let +me honor one of you who was part of that history and the impetus +behind this history - Max Hunter. You are one of the greatest +engineers of the firts great age of space exploration. Your +insight and discipline built the Thor ICBM - later incorporated +into today's most successful launch vehicle - The Delta. + + You told us in the 60's that a new form of launch vehicle - a +single stage reusable rocket - can and should be built. You +advocated this idea tirelessly. It was elegantly simple, as are +all great breakthroughs. You showed us how to build it. You +convinced us it could be done. You are working by our side to weld +its components into place. Most important - you reminded us of a +prime engineering principle - undoubtably one you learned from the +generation before you - the generation that built transcontinental +aviation in the 1920's and 30's - build a little and test a little +and Max, you passed all of this on to people like Pat Ladner who +started this program for the SDI. + + Douglas Aircraft didn't start with a DC-10. They didn't even +start with a DC-3. Our grandfathers built a little, tested a +little - even sold a little and made a little money - before they +moved on to the next step. They didn't take a decade or more +before putting the first ""rubber on the road."" Max Hunter - you +didn't take ten years to build Thor, and by God we're not going to +take ten years to show that low cost, single stage, reusable +aerospace transportation is real. + + We ended the cold war in a few short years. It took the same +team here today but a few years to show through the Strategic +Defense Initiative that the cold war must end. We - you and us - +launched a series of satellites - The Delta experiments - in about +a year apiece. This, more than anything else signaled our +commitment to end the impasse between ourselves and the Soviet +Union. Those who made the decisions on both sides have underscored +the importance of our work in bringing about a new international +relationship. + + But it is the same team which is now putting in place the +framework for an aerospace expansion that is our legacy for the +next generation. We will make space access routine and affordable. + + We built this magnificent flying machine in two years. This +summer a true rocket ship will take off and land on earth for the +first time. Then we can and surely will build in the next three +years a reusable sub-orbital rocket. It will allow us to use space +rapidly, affordably, and efficiently as no other nation can. And +yes - we'll make a little money off it too! + + Then - and only then - we'll spend another three years to +build a fully reusable single stage to orbit system. The DC-3 of +space will be a reality! We may even be able to use some of the +rocket propulsion breakthroughs of our former cold war adversaries. +What a wonderful irony if this SDI product and Russian efforts to +counter SDI merge to power mankind's next step to the stars! + + To be sure, we must guard against the temptations to leap to +the final answer. Robert Goddard's first rockets weren't Saturn +V's! If we succumb to the temptation to ask for just a few extra +dollars and a few more years to jump immediately to a full orbital +system - we will fail. Max Hunter and his colleagues showed the +way. Three years and a cloud of dust - in our case rocket +exhausts. There is no short-cut. If we expect to reshape the +world again - we must do it one brick at a time. Minds on tasks at +hand! + + This project is real. The torch of American technological +greatness is being passed. We are Americans. This machine is +American. Let's go fly it! +",14 +9675,"From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) +Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! +Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing +Lines: 43 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: uhad2.admin.uh.edu +X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 +In-Reply-To: jmd@cube.handheld.com's message of 20 Apr 1993 16:26:47 GMT + +In <1r1887INNcsd@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com writes: + +> In article <1r0v4c$i1j@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) +> writes: +> > In <1r0poqINNc4k@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com writes: +> > +> > According to KIKK radio in Houston, all nine survivors are either in hos- +> > pitals or in jails. Including the two who allegedly helped start the +> >fires. +> +> In the FBI briefing, no mention was made of having the fire starters in +> custody. + + Which one? The one yesterday, or has there been another? If it was yester- +day, catch up. + + IMO, 90% of all ""conspiracy"" charges are easily explained by the simple +fact that in these days of instantaneous news transmission, all kinds of +stuff gets said when people really just don't know what the hell's going on. +Then the story changes once the facts are in and suddenly cries of ""its all a +whitewash!"" start. Naturally, everybody wants to cover his/her ass. + +> > > Why the total isolation? +> > +> > Well, it wasn't TOTAL, 100% isolation. After the lawyer snuck in the +> > first time, they (the FBI, etc) let him go back inside several times, in- +> >cluding, I think, the day before the final assualt. +> +> Why not his mother? Why not the media? + + Damnfino. I just tend to take issue with absolute statements that are ob- +viously wrong on their face and tend to inflame, not inform. The isolation +was significant, but not total. + +semper fi, + +Jammer Jim Miller +Texas A&M University '89 and '91 +________________________________________________________________________________ + I don't speak for UH, which is too bad, because they could use the help. +""Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System."" + ""Power finds its way to those who take a stand. Stand up, Ordinary Man."" + ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mike Levine: Triumph +",16 +2750,"From: Sven Guckes +Subject: Re: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's? +Originator: guckes@medusa +X-Mail-Reader: Elm 2.4 PL21 +Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany +X-News-Reader: NN 6.4.13 #13 +Lines: 18 + +sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu writes: + +>The CD300 (external) is already shipping and has been shipping for +>quite awhile now. +>Demand for the units are high, so they are pretty rare. + +Hm, I've got my CD drive since 921230. + +>I've also heard rumors that they are bundled with a couple of CD's, +>but I can't confirm it. + +Indeed, CDs are bundled with it. +You usually get nine CDs with demos of applications, games, photos, etc. + +I have compiled a list of these and posted it to alt.cdrom. +I will post an updated version of this list RSN. + +Sven :) +",4 +5845,"From: v124p7kk@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (Darryl S Brooks) +Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL (Euro-bashing?) +Organization: University at Buffalo +Lines: 60 +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 +Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu + +In article , rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes... +> +> +> Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick +>of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let's say, the +>Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like ""Bure"" ""Konstantinov"" and +>""Borshevshky"". Is this North America or isn't it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec, +>and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other +>teams is getting worse as well. +> +> I live in Vancouver and if I hear one more word about ""Pavel Bure, the +>Russian Rocket"" I will completely throw up. As it is now, every time I see +>the Canucks play I keep hoping someone will cross-check Bure into the plexiglassso hard they have to carry him out on a stretcher. (By the way, I'm not a +>Canucks fan to begin with ;-). +> +> Okay, the stretcher remark was a little carried away. But the point is that +>I resent NHL owners drafting all these Europeans INSTEAD of Canadians (and +>some Americans). It denies young Canadians the opportunity to play in THEIR +>NORTH AMERICAN LEAGUE and instead gives it to Europeans, who aren't even +>better hockey players. It's all hype. This ""European mystique"" is sickening, +>but until NHL owners get over it, Canadian and American players will continue +>to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league. +> +> With the numbers of Euros in the NHL escalating, the problem is clearly +>only getting worse. +> +> I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures +>and Selannes of the world play on their own continent. +> +> I just don't want them on mine. +> +> + Ah, so now we're into European player bashing? What next? +No more French Canadiens? Yeah, there's an idea! Let them French- +speaking Canadiens have their own hockey league! We don't want them! + Are you _CRAZY_? The NHL is one of the true international +leagues, and yes, there _ARE_ many Europeans who deserve to play in +the NHL and are better than some North Americans, look at Teemu!!! +I, for one, am glad to see Europeans in the NHL and I hope the +NHL soon expands to Europe. Its nice to see all these different +people come together to form the (soon to be) 26 hockey teams. + +> +> +>-- +>Richard J. Rauser ""You have no idea what you're doing."" +>rauser@sfu.ca ""Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional +>WNI outlaws - we do this for a living."" +>----------------- +>""Remember, no matter where you go, there you are."" -Dr.Banzai + +Darryl Brooks University at Buffalo + __ ______ /// + | | / \ \ \ / / / _____ / / //// + | | / /\ \ \ \___/ / ( \ ---/-/--- /// + | | / /__\ \ \ / \ \ ---/-/--- /// +| |____| | / ____ \ | | ____\ ) / / /// + \______/ / / \ \ | | ______/ /////// + + Go Bills, Sabres, and Magic!! +",10 +2996,"From: grp@Unify.com (Greg Pasquariello) +Subject: Re: Anyone have experience with Visix' Galaxy? +Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento) +Lines: 24 + +In article , grier@world.std.com (The Political Crony) writes: +> +> The title line says it. The Galaxy package was just recently announced, and +> includes a GUI-builder and portable toolkit. I'm interested in any +> feedback from those who may have used it thus far. + +We've been using it for a year on Unix (Sun and HP) and Windows platforms. In my +opinion, it is the best toolkit on the market. It supports a rich API to a high +level IPC mechanism, file system abstraction, memory management, command driven +application development, drawing, geometry management, and, oh yeah, Open Look, +Motif, MS-Windows and Mac (at the flip of a switch). + +> +> Thanks +> Jim Grier +> grier@world.std.com +> + +-- + +-- +Greg Pasquariello grp@unify.com Hobnobbing with the ancients +Unify Corporation or +(916) 928-6258 ...!uunet!unify!grp +",5 +1762,"From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) +Subject: Tape Backup Question +Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc. +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +X-Posted-From: asteroid.msi.com +NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu +Lines: 18 + +Hello folks! + +I have an Archive XL5580 (internal QIC-80) tape drive, which is pretty +comparable to the Colorado Jumbo 250. Since I have two floppy drives in +my system, I'm using a small card (not accelerated) made by Archive to +attach my tape drive as a third floppy device. + +The problem: Although the DOS-based QICstream software works just fine, +both the Norton and Central Point backup programs for Windows fail unless +I switch the machine to non-turbo speed (I'm using a 486DX/33 EISA). Since +the DOS software works, it can't be a hardware problem, can it? Has anyone +seen similar problems? Any solutions? Thanks in advance. +-- ++-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+ +| JERRY J. SHEKHEL | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages | +| Drummers do it... | Burlington, MA USA | in my book of memories. | +| ... In rhythm! | jerry@msi.com | -- Guns N' Roses | ++-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+ +",3 +10941,"From: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan) +Subject: Re: Christian Daemons? [Biblical Demons, the update] +Reply-To: boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan) +Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation +Lines: 61 + + +In article <1993Apr1.024850.20111@sradzy.uucp>, radzy@sradzy.uucp +(T.O. Radzykewycz) writes: + +> >>swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim) writes: +> >>> 666, the file permission of the beast. +> +> >radzy@sradzy.uucp (T.O. Radzykewycz) writes: +> >> Sorry, but the file permission of the beast is 600. +> >> +> >> And the file permission of the home directory of the +> >> beast is 700. +> +> boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes: +> >Hey, radzy, it must depend on your system's access policy. +> >I get: +> > $ ls -lg /usr/users +> > total 3 +> > drwxrwxrwx 22 beast system 1536 Jan 01 1970 beast +> > drwxr-x--x 32 boylan users 2048 Mar 31 09:08 boylan +> > drwxr-xr-x 2 guest users 512 Sep 18 1992 guest +> > $ su +> > Password: +> > root $ su beast +> > beast $ umask +> > 111 +> > beast $ ^D +> > root $ ^D +> > $ +> +> Just a minute.... +> +> $ grep beast /etc/passwd +> beast:k5tUk76RAUogQ:497:0:Not Walt Disney!:/usr/users/beast: +> $ mv /usr/users/beast/.profile /usr/users/beast/.profile, +> $ echo umask 077 >> /usr/users/beast/.profile +> $ cat > /usr/users/beast/.profile +> chmod 700 /usr/users/beast +> mv .mailrc .mailrc, +> echo beast logged in | mail radzy%sradzy@jack.sns.com +> mv .mailrc, .mailrc +> mv /usr/users/beast/.profile, /usr/users/beast/.profile +> ^D +> $ chmod 777 /usr/users/beast/.profile +> $ cat /usr/users/beast/.profile, >> /usr/users/beast/.profile +> +> +> +> I think you made a mistake. Check it again. +> + +I see . . . you're not running Ultrix! + + :-) + + - - Steve + + +-- +Don't miss the 49th New England Folk Festival, +April 23-25, 1993 in Natick, Massachusetts! +",19 +11027,"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) +Subject: Re: An invisible God! +Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. +Lines: 14 + +In article <1993Apr17.152833.7811@maths.tcd.ie> +pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) writes: +>jmeritt@mental.MITRE.ORG (Jim Meritt - System Admin) writes: +>> God CAN be seen: +>> ""And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts."" +>Wot? God's a mooner? + +Such lunacy! + +>(Gee, maybe there's something in this Christianity thing after all - +>maybe God is John Belushi from ""Animal House"") + +The SuperNatural One wants to have a personal relationship with you. +JHVH-1, come quick! +",19 +3950,"From: davidk@netcom.com (David Kiviat) +Subject: 88 Toyota Camry super deluxe $9.9k +Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] +Lines: 15 + +88 toyota Camry - Top Of The Line Vehicle +blue book $10,500 +asking 9,900. + +73 k miles +auto transmission + +Has Everything! + +owned by a meticulous automoble mechanic + +call (408) 425-8203 ask for Bob. + +posted for a friend. + +",6 +5673,"From: lynch@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Howard Lynch) +Subject: Re: PHILLIES SIGN MARK DAVIS +Organization: the HP Corporate notes server +Lines: 8 + +I had heard the rumors about LA, Cin, Hou, and SD all being +interested in Mark Davis, so it doesn't surprise me that a +team had to give up something and cash to actually get him. + +Lynch ""MOB"" + +ps. anyone else draft this guy? i really did and got a + loud cry of ""when will you ever give up on this guy"" :-) +",9 +1578,"From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) +Subject: Re: Help with changing Startup logo +Reply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com +Distribution: usa +Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA +Lines: 32 +Nntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com +X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user + at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those + of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. + +In article <1rgtba$gtn@access.digex.net> farley@access.digex.com (Charles +U. Farley) writes: +> +> I know this is probably a FAQ, but... +> +> I installed the s/w for my ATI graphics card, and it bashed my Windows +> logo files. When I start Windows now, it has the 3.0 logo instead of +> the 3.1 logo. +> +> I thought the files that controlled this were +> +> \WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.RLE +> \WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.LGO +> +> I restored these files, but it didn't change the logo. Anyone know what +> the correct files are? +> +> Thanks. +> + +Somewhere (ftp.cica.indiana.edu or SIMTEL20 mirror) there is a program +called winlogo.zip that does the trick. It works great. I believe the +reason why you can't change the files you mentioned is that the logo is +actually imbeded into the windows executable (Somebody please +correct/expand on this) + +-Eric + +> +> -- +> farley@access.digex.com +> Average IQ of Calgary Board of Ed. Employee: 65 +",2 +6308,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) +Subject: Detroit-Toronto? +Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences +Lines: 10 +Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu + +What's the deal? c.s.h. has nothing on it yet. Is it in OT, is it over, +what? I want to know! We all want to know! Where's Roger when you need +him?!?!?!?! :-) + +-- + Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! + LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! + kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! + + ""A cow is not a vegetarian dish."" -- Keith Keller, 1993 +",10 +10202,"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) +Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! +Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu +Organization: University of California, Irvine +Lines: 25 + +In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: +>In article <2BCE0918.6105@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: +>|> In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: +> +>[.....] +> +>|> Your view of this entire matter is far too serenely one-sided and +>|> selectively naive. +> +>Oooh... now THAT hurts. I will not suffer you through more naive +>and one-sided views of mine. Please skip my articles in the future +>Oh Wise Tim, and have a good day. +> +>Basil + +What is the point in throwing out one-sided viewpoints (which means: +ignoring that the ""other side's"" perspective and experience HAS ANY +LEGITIMACY) while assuming that ""your side"" possesses no faults and +bears no responbility for ANY of the negative impacts of a particular +event? Isn't the former onesided? Isn't the latter naive? If you feel +that my opinion is wrong then please tell me how. ""Strategic withdrawal"" +under the cover of a snide remark seems to be the favored tactic on this +net but doesn't accomplish anything. + + +",17 +1844,"From: scip2060@nusunix1.nus.sg (SARDJONO INSANI) +Subject: Connecting Apple Laserwriter II to IBM PC +Organization: National University of Singapore +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] +Lines: 11 + + +Has anyone tried connecting an Apple Laserwriter II to a PC? +Do I need any special controller card or software to do that? + +Thanks for any comments. + +-- +======================== +Sardjono Insani +scip2060@nusunix1.nus.sg +======================== +",3 +306,"From: chrisb@seachg.com (Chris Blask) +Subject: Re: islamic authority over women +Reply-To: chrisb@seachg.com (Chris Blask) +Organization: Me, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada +Lines: 78 + +snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: +>In article <1993Apr7.163445.1203@wam.umd.edu> west@next02.wam.umd.edu writes: +>>> >> And belief causes far more horrors. +>>> >> Crusades, +>>> >> the emasculation and internment of Native Americans, +>>> >> the killing of various tribes in South America. +>>> >-the Inquisition +>>> >-the Counter-reformation and the wars that followed +>>> >-the Salem witch trials +>>> >-the European witch hunts +>>> >-the holy wars of the middle east +>>> >-the colonization/destruction of Africa +>>> >-the wars between Christianity and Islam (post crusade) +>>> >-the genocide (biblical) of the Canaanites and Philistines +>>> >-Aryian invasion of India +>>> >-the attempted genocide of Jews by Nazi Germany +>>> >-the current missionary assaults on tribes in Africa +>>> +>>> I think all the horrors you mentioned are due to *lack* of people +>>> following religion. +.d. +>By lack of people following religion I also include fanatics- people +>that don't know what they are following. +.d. +>So how do you know that you were right? +>Why are you trying to shove down my throat that religion causes horrors. +>It really covers yourself- something false to save yourself. +> +>Peace, +> +>Bobby Mozumder +> +I just thought of another one, in the Bible, so it's definately not because +of *lack* of religion. The Book of Esther (which I read the other day for +other reasons) describes the origin of Pur'im, a Jewish celbration of joy +and peace. The long and short of the story is that 75,000 people were +killed when people were tripping over all of the peacefull solutions +lying about (you couldn't swing a sacred cow without slammin into a nice, +peaceful solution.) 'Course Joshua and the jawbone of an ass spring to +mind... + +I agree with Bobby this far: religion as it is used to kill large numbers +of people is usually not used in the form or manner that it was originally +intended for. + +That doesn't reduce the number of deaths directly caused by religion, it is +just a minor observation of the fact that there is almost nothing pure in +the Universe. The very act of honestly attempting to find true meaning in +religious teaching has many times inspired hatred and led to war. Many +people have been led by religious leaders more involved in their own +stomache-contentsthan in any absolute truth, and have therefore been driven to +kill by their leaders. + +The point is that there are many things involved in religion that often +lead to war. Whether these things are a part of religion, an unpleasant +side effect or (as Bobby would have it) the result of people switching +between Religion and Atheism spontaneously, the results are the same. + +@Religious groups have long been involved in the majority of the bloodiest +parts of Man's history.@ + +Atheists, on the other hand (preen,preen) are typically not an ideological +social caste, nor are they driven to organize and spread their beliefs. +The overuse of Nazism and Stalinism just show how true this is: Two groups +with very clear and specific ideologies using religious persecution to +further their means. Anyone who cannot see the obvious - namely that these +were groups founded for reasons *entirely* their own, who used religious +persecution not because of any belief system but because it made them more +powerfull - is trying too hard. Basically, Bobby uses these examples +because there are so few wars that were *not* *specifically* fought over +religion that he does not have many choices. + +Well, I'm off to Key West where the only flames are heating the bottom of +little silver butter-dishes. + +-ciao + +-chris blask +",0 +4402,"From: sekell@bb1t.monsanto.com +Subject: Monthly Posting: Buick Grand National/Regal T-Type mailing list +Lines: 16 +Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO + + +Monthly posting regarding the Buick Grand National / Regal T-Type mailing list. + +This list is for owners and other parties interested in the 82-87 Buick Grand +Nationals, Regal T-Types, GNXs, and other turbocharged Regals. Discussions +include technical information and parts sources. Particular emphasis is given +to performance enhancements and racing. + + To join, or ask, about the mailing list, contact: + + gnttype-request@srvsn2.monsanto.com + + ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- + Scott Keller +1 314 537 6317 The Agricultural Group of Monsanto Company + sekell@bb1t.monsanto.com KA0WCH packet: ka0wch@k0pfx.mo.usa.na + Keeper of the Buick Grand National / Regal T-Type mailing list +",7 +6830,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) +Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) +Lines: 9 + + I think I should also point out that the mystical DES engines + are known plaintext engines (unless you add a ton of really smart + hardware?) + +Assume the ton of smart hardware. It doesn't really have to be that smart. + +G + + +",11 +882,"From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) +Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] +Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University +Lines: 17 + +Chris Herringshaw (tdawson@engin.umich.edu) wrote: +: Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of +: doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading +: this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 +: different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts +: a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum +: for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? +: Just curious. +: +: +: Daemon +: + +Yes. I also like knowing where to go to ask a question without getting +hell for putting it in the wrong newsgroup. + +Phil Martin. +",1 +9863,"From: gress@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (GRESS JOSEPH JOHN ) +Subject: Re: With Friends Like These -- L. Neil Smith +Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu +Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder +Lines: 33 + +In article papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes: +>In article <1993Apr10.155819.18237@sco.com> allanh@sco.COM (Allan J. Heim) writes: +>>Look, if you can figure out a reliable means of keeping guns away from +>>bad people, while not interfering with good people, I think we'd all be +>>for it. The problem is, the methods we're using now don't do the trick. +> +>Don't manufacture them. Don't sell them. Don't import them. +> +>Some guns will get through, but far fewer, and far less people will +>die because of them. Hunting weapons could be allowed, of course, as +>long as they are big, and bulky, and require reloading after a few +>shots (how many times can you shoot at the same animal, anyways One +>assumes they are moving!) +> +> +First of all let's assume that you are right that fewer guns would make it +in to the country, that sounds great (to those that see guns as inherently +evil) except then every one of those guns would be in the hands of someone +who obviously couldn't care less about following the law, after all they +got the gun illegally, so is more likely to commit a crime with that gun. +Great then everyone with a gun is likely to use it in a crime, nice system. + +Now as to reducing the number of guns coming into society by making it +illegal to manufacture, sell, or import them in this coutry, let me use +a parallel for empiric evidence. The amount of cocaine in this country is +far less since its manufacture, sale, and importation was out lawwed. If +that last statement is true then perhaps we should consider your plan. This +could also apply to drugs in general. + +PLAIN OLD JOE +> + + +",16 +7464,"From: dale@access.digex.com (Dale Farmer) +Subject: Re: Building a UV flashlight +Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA +Lines: 31 +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +John Hawkinson (jhawk@panix.com) wrote: +: Yes, I know it sounds crazy. Call it an urge. Call it what you want. +: Just don't ask why :-) + +: Anyway, I'd like to build a UV flashlight, cheaply. ""flashlight"" means +: it should be reasonably portable, but could have a power pack if +: necessary. + +: My main question is the bulb: where can I get UV bulbs? Do they +: need a lot of power? etc., etc. + +: I'm not too concerned with whether it's long-wave or short-wave +: (but hey, if anyone has a cheap source of bulbs, I'll take both). + + Check out a medical supply catalog, the thing you are looking for +is called a woods lamp (so you can check for woods sign, certain skin +conditions flourecse (sp) under UV light) They come in disposable +penlight like types and larger ac powered types. It is also used in eye +examinations, a flourescent dye is introduced to the surface of the eye, +then UV is shined on it, shows up scratches and abrasions very clearly +that would otherwise be very difficult to detect. (for the completest the +dye is called flouescien, and in normal light appears orangish, and leaves +a mild burning sensation to the eye for 10-15 minutes, until the tears +flush it all out. + +Have fun. + +--Dale Farmer + + + +",12 +9018,"From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) +Subject: Re: harrassed at work, could use some prayers +Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego +Lines: 63 + +(Well, I'll email also, but this may apply to other people, so +I'll post also.) + +>I've been working at this company for eight years in various +>engineering jobs. I'm female. Yesterday I counted and realized that +>on seven different occasions I've been sexually harrassed at this +>company. + +>I dreaded coming back to work today. What if my boss comes in to ask +>me some kind of question... + +Your boss should be the person bring these problems to. If he/she +does not seem to take any action, keep going up higher and higher. +Sexual harrassment does not need to be tolerated, and it can be an +enormous emotional support to discuss this with someone and know that +they are trying to do something about it. If you feel you can not +discuss this with your boss, perhaps your company has a personnel +department that can work for you while preserving your privacy. Most +companies will want to deal with this problem because constant anxiety +does seriously affect how effectively employees do their jobs. + +It is unclear from your letter if you have done this or not. It is +not inconceivable that management remains ignorant of employee +problems/strife even after eight years (it's a miracle if they do +notice). Perhaps your manager did not bring to the attention of +higher ups? If the company indeed does seem to want to ignore the +entire problem, there may be a state agency willing to fight with +you. (check with a lawyer, a women's resource center, etc to find out) + +You may also want to discuss this with your paster, priest, husband, +etc. That is, someone you know will not be judgemental and that is +supportive, comforting, etc. This will bring a lot of healing. + +>So I returned at 11:25, only to find that ever single +>person had already left for lunch. They left at 11:15 or so. No one +>could be bothered to call me at the other building, even though my +>number was posted. + +This happens to a lot of people. Honest. I believe it may seem +to be due to gross insensitivity because of the feelings you are +going through. People in offices tend to be more insensitive while +working than they normally are (maybe it's the hustle or stress or...) +I've had this happen to me a lot, often because they didn't realize +my car was broken, etc. Then they will come back and wonder why I +didn't want to go (this would tend to make me stop being angry at +being ignored and make me laugh). Once, we went off without our +boss, who was paying for the lunch :-) + +>For this +>reason I hope good Mr. Moderator allows me this latest indulgence. + +Well, if you can't turn to the computer for support, what would +we do? (signs of the computer age :-) + +In closing, please don't let the hateful actions of a single person +harm you. They are doing it because they are still the playground +bully and enjoy seeing the hurt they cause. And you should not +accept the opinions of an imbecile that you are worthless - much +wiser people hold you in great esteem. +-- +Darin Johnson +djohnson@ucsd.edu + - Luxury! In MY day, we had to make do with 5 bytes of swap... +",15 +269,"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) +Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie +Organization: Boston University Physics Department +Lines: 41 + +In article arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes: + +>In article <115256@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: + +>>Judaism, for one. Maddi has confirmed this for one. And again I +>>reiterate that one can easily leave the religion at any time, +>>simply by making a public declaration. If one is too lazy to do +>>that then the religion cannot be held responsible. + +>There are many ""Islamic"" countries where publically renouncing Islam can be +>quite dangerous. These countries might not, according to you, necessarily be +>practicing ""true"" Islam, but the danger still remains; one cannot blame +>failure to publically renounce Islam on ""laziness"" as opposed to a desire to +>stay alive and well. + +Of course, if you're planning to pull a Rushdie then declaring one's +leaving the religion is little to be concerned about compared to one's +other plans. + + +In Rushdie's case, the one under discussion, one can. It is tragic that +in _some_ ""Islamic"" countries this is so. There are, however, Islamic +countries (whose constitutions contains statements that Islamic law is +to be incorporated), e.g. Kuwait, where one can freely make such +statements without fear. + + +>Not to mention that it has already been pointed out that Rushdie has said in +>his books that he's not a Muslim, and there have surely been enough readers of +>his books to provide the appropriate number of witnesses. + +This story has become tiresome. The conditions are clear. If you care to +make your point clear then make a chronology and show that he had made +public statements about leaving Islam prior to his writing of _TSV_. If +he did make such statements then he should have made _that_ clear rather +than trying to rejoin Islam or go on talking about his personal +feelings. + + + +Gregg +",0 +248,"From: acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu +Subject: Re: Where are they now? +Organization: Macalester College +Lines: 38 + +In article <1qi156INNf9n@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, tcbruno@athena.mit.edu (Tom Bruno) writes: +> +> Wow. Leave your terminal for a few months and everyone you remember goes +> away-- how depressing. Actually, there are a few familiar faces out there, +> counting Bob and Kent, but I don't seem to recognize anyone else. Has anyone +> heard from Graham Matthews recently, or has he gotten his degree and sailed +> for Greener Pastures (tm)? +> +> Which brings me to the point of my posting. How many people out there have +> been around alt.atheism since 1990? I've done my damnedest to stay on top of +> the newsgroup, but when you fall behind, you REALLY fall behind (it's still not +> as bad as rec.arts.startrek used to be, but I digress). Has anyone tried to +> keep up with the deluge? Inquiring minds want to know! Also-- does anyone +> keep track of where the more infamous posters to alt.atheism end up, once they +> leave the newsgroup? Just curious, I guess. +> +> cheers, +> tom bruno + + +I am one of those people who always willl have unlimited stores of unfounded +respect for people who have been on newsgroups/mailing lists longer than I +have, so you certainly have my sympathy Tom. I have only been semi-regularly +posting (it is TOUGHto keep up) since this February, but I have been reading +and following the threads since last August: my school's newsreader was down +for months and our incompetent computing services never bothered to find a new +feed site, so it wasn't accepting outgoing postings. I don't think anyone +keeps track of where other posters go: it's that old love 'em and leave 'em +Internet for you again... + + +best regards, + +******************************************************************************** +* Adam John Cooper ""Verily, often have I laughed at the weaklings * +* who thought themselves good simply because * +* acooper@macalstr.edu they had no claws."" * +******************************************************************************** +",0 +317,"From: Nanci Ann Miller +Subject: Re: New Member +Organization: Sponsored account, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 16 + <1993Apr16.015931.12153@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> +NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu +In-Reply-To: <1993Apr16.015931.12153@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> + +jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only) writes: +> Welcome. I am the official keeper of the list of nicknames that people +> are known by on alt.atheism (didn't know we had such a list, did you). +> Your have been awarded the nickname of ""Buckminster."" So the next time +> you post an article, sign with your nickname like so: +> Dave ""Buckminster"" Fuller. Thanks again. +> +> Jim ""Humor means never having to say you're sorry"" Copeland + +Of course, the list has to agree with the nickname laws laid down by the +GIPU almost 2000 years ago (you know... the 9 of them that were written on +the iron tablets that melted once and had to be reinscribed?). Since I am +a prophet of the GIPU I decree that you should post the whole list of +nicknames for the frequent posters here! + +Nanci +",0 +7999,"From: vgwlu@dunsell.calgary.chevron.com (greg w. luft) +Subject: Relief of Pain Caused by Cancer +Organization: chevron +Lines: 51 + + + I am not sure if this is the proper group to post this to but here goes anyway. + + About five years ago my mother was diagnosed with having cancer in the lymph nodes + under one of her arms. After the doctors removed the cancerous area she had full movement + of her arm with only slight aching under her arm when she moved it. Over the course of + the next two years the aching got more severe and her complaining to the doctors produced + the explanation that it was scar tissue causing the pain. At this time her doctor + suggested that some physiotherapy should be employed to break up the scar tissue. + + While attending one of her therapy sessions, while her arm was being + manipulated, some damage occured (nerve?) which caused the level of pain to permanently + increase severly (controlled by Tylenol 3s) and some loss of use of the arm ( + palsied wrist and almost no outward lateral movement). With great persistence on her part + the doctors looked further into the issue and discovered that not all of the cancer had + been removed and another tumor had grown under the arm. This was removed also but the + pain in the arm has not decreased. The doctors are not sure exactly why the pain is + persisting but feel some sort of nerve damage has occured and they have employed Tylenol 3 + and soon Morphine to relieve the pain. She has tried acupuncture by this only provides + minor reductions in pain and is only short term. + + My questions are: + + Has anyone has heard of similar cases and what, if anything, was done to reduce the + levels of pain? + + Are their methods to block nerves so that the pain can be reduced? + + Are their methods to restore nerves so that loss of arm function can be restored? + + + Any general suggestions on pain reduction would be greatly appreciated. + + + Please respond by email because I do not always get chance to read this group. + + If anyone knows of some literature that may be useful to this case or another newsgroup + that I should be posting this to it would also be appreciated. + + + + + + + + +-- +Gregory W. Luft Internet: vgwlu@calgary.chevron.com +Chevron Petroleum Techonology Company Tel: (403) 234-6238 +500, Fifth Ave. S.W. Fax: (403) 234-5215 +Calgary, Alberta, Canada T2P 0L7 +",13 +10506,"From: gal2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Jacob Galley) +Subject: Clinton's sister, Shalala +Reply-To: gal2@midway.uchicago.edu +Organization: University of Chicago +Lines: 22 + + +Last night I heard something about Bill Clinton's sister being +involved in a marijuana bust, and the news being suppressed. I also +heard something about her being an ""ex-con"". This source is not +reliable, though. (It was a collage/booklet advertising a local band.) + +Can anyone on the net verify this or provide more details? I'm +surprised I haven't seen anything about this in this newsgroup. + +Also, does anyone know what happened to the charges that Shalala was a +regular pot smoker when she was in college? This ghastly accusation +was reported on CNN Streamline News the day she was nominated, then I +never heard anything about it again. + +It's almost enough to make me want to start an Act-Up type campaign +to invade the privacy of closet smokers! (If only this type of +publicity didn't violate people's rights. . . .) + +Jake. +-- +* What's so interdisciplinary about studying lower levels of thought process? + <-- Jacob Galley * gal2@midway.uchicago.edu +",18 +1353,"From: dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) +Subject: More Diamond SS 24X +Nntp-Posting-Host: dil.adp.unc.edu +Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology +Lines: 9 + +Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this +card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on +latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors +in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup. +I had a ATI Ultra but was getting Genral Protection Fault errors +in an SPSS application. These card manufactures must have terrible +quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs. +What a hassle. Running on Gateway 2000 DX2/50. +Thx Dave L +",2 +1375,"Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.58.96.14 +From: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder) +Distribution: world +Organization: K.U.Leuven - Applied Economic Sciences Department +Subject: WINQVTNET with NDIS on Token Ring ? +Lines: 13 + +Is it possible to use WinQVT/Net on a machine that uses NDIS to connect to a +Token Ring ? I tried it with older versions (< 3.2) but got an invalid packet +class error or something the like... + +Regards, + +Wim Van Holder +Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Tel: ++32 (0)16/28.57.16 +Departement T.E.W. FAX: ++32 (0)16/28.57.99 +Dekenstraat 2 +B-3000 Leuven E-mail: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be +BELGIUM fdbaq03@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be + +",2 +2467,"From: gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright) +Subject: mac portable ram problems; coprocessor not installed? +Organization: Jack's Amazing CockRoach Capitalist Ventures +Lines: 18 + +I just recently bought a 4 MB ram card for my original mac portable +(backlit) and have since had some bizarre crashes. It happens when I put +the machine to sleep and wake the machine up. sometimes it will just +freeze the cursor and lock the machine up forcing me to push the reset +switch. Other times it will give me the usual bomb box with the error +message of ""Co processor not installed"". + +I know one solution is NOT to put the machine to sleep, but does anyone +have any ideas on what could be causing this or better yet what might fix +it? The memory card is Psuedostatic ram and goes into the PDS Slot. That +probably figures into the problem. the manufacturer is King Memory (Not +kingston) from irvine, CA. They say the problem is in my machine. + +Any Ideas? -- Gene Wright. + +-- + gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright) +------------jackatak.raider.net (615) 377-5980 ------------ +",4 +8801,"From: halsall@murray.fordham.edu (Paul Halsall) +Subject: Weirdness of Early Christians +Reply-To: halsall@murray.fordham.edu +Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site +Lines: 76 + + + I am a good Catholic boy. A convert no less, attracted by the +rational tradition [Aquinas et al] and the emotional authenticity +[in comp. with the faddishness of Anglicanism] to Roman Catholicism. I +never had much time for the pope - or any other heirarchs - but I did, and +do, believe in the sacremental system. I always felt quite happy to +look down my nose at those such as John Emery [a few posts back] who +had to engage in circuitous textual arguments to prove their faith, entirely +oblivious to the fact that a dozen other faiths can do the same [with +miracles too], and that since their arguments depend on the belief in the +Bible as God's sole revelation, it was not very good logic to argue +that the Bible proved God. No, I was happy to accept the CHURCH as God's +revelation. It was the Church after all that existed before the Bible, the +Church that choose [under grace of course] the canon of scripture. Protestant +ludicrosity, I thought, was shown by Protestants breathtaking acceptance +of Luther's right to reject a dozen or so books he disliked. + But recently I read Peter Brown's _Body and Society_. It is very +well researched, and well written. But is raises some very upsetting +questions. The early Christians were weird - even more so than today's +carzy fundies. They had odd views on sex, odder views on the body, +totally ludicrous views about demons, and distinctly uncharitable +views about other human beings. + now the question is this: were the first Christians just as +weird, but we've got used to them, or did the pristine ""Fall of the +Church"" happen within one generation. It certainly did'nt have to +wait until the Triumph of the Church under Constantine. If so, +wha does this say about God's promise to always support the Church. +It's no use throwing the usual Protestant pieties about the Church +not being an organization at me. It's a community or it is nothing, +and it was the early communities that were weird. The institional +church was a model of sanity by comparison. + I would be interested in serious Catholic and Orthodox responses to +this entirely serious issue. I'm not sure it is an issue for Protestants +with their ""soul alone with Jesus"" approach, but for we who see the +""ecclesia"" as a ""koinoia"" over time and space, the weird early +Christians are a problem. + +[This is an exaggeration of the Protestant view. Many Protestants +have a strong appreciation for the role of the Church. ""The soul +alone with God"" is certainly important for Protestants, but it's by no +means the whole story. + +I have read the sort of history you talk about. As you point out, +Protestants don't have quite the same problem you do, because we +believe that the church had a Fall at some point. However Protestant +mythology typically places the Fall around the time of Constantine (or +more likely, regard it as happening in a sort of cumulative fashion, +starting from Constantine but getting worse as the Pope accumulated +power during the medieval period.) The consequences of having it +earlier are somewhat worrisome even to us. Most Protestants accept +the theological results of the early ecumenical councils, including +such items as the Trinity and Incarnation. Indeed in the works of +Reformers such as Luther and Calvin, you'll find Church Fathers such +as Augustine quoted all the time. I think you'll find many +Protestants resistant to the idea that the Early Church as a whole was +""wierd"". (There is an additional problem for Protestants that I don't +much want to talk about in this context, since it's been looked at +recently -- that's the question of whether one can really think of +Augustine and other Fathers as being proto-Protestants. Their views +on Mary, the authority of the Pope, etc, are not entirely congenial to +Protestant thought.) + +One thing that somewhat worries me is a question of methodology. +There are certainly plenty of wierd people in the early church. What +concerns me is that they may be overrepresented in what we see. We +see every Christian who courted martyrdom. But I think there's good +reason to believe that most ordinary Christians were more prudent than +that. We see the heroic virgins. But I think there's good reason to +think that many Christians were happily married. I can't help +suspecting that the early church had the same range of wierdos and +sane people that we do now. I think there's also a certain level of +""revisionism"" active in history at the moment. I don't mean that +they're manufacturing things out of whole cloth. But don't you think +there might be a tendency to emphasize the novel? + +--clh] +",15 +2026,"From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc WANDSCHNEIDER) +Subject: Re: Know anything about EISA-2? +Nntp-Posting-Host: mnementh.cs.mcgill.ca +Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada +Lines: 22 + +In article <1qt5nk$8o6@agate.berkeley.edu> bing@zinc.cchem.berkeley.edu (Bing Ho) writes: +>I read about the development of EISA-2 some time ago but dismissed it +>in light of the intense interest in VESA and PCI. However, I recently +>was disheartened to hear that ISA cannot address more than 16mb of RAM, +>a limit that too many of us will hit all too soon. +> +>I recall that EISA-2 will support 64-bit transfer among other enhancements. +>Is there such a standard being developed? + + Very possibly, but if it's still going to be backwards compatible +with the ISA bus, it's going to be the same tripe that the current EISA +implementation really is. + + From what I've seen, the PCI bus will just be a new 32bit 33MHz +intelligent bus (ie, bus controller takes care of interrupts and the like, +not jumpers...) Hopefully it'll get somewhere up there with the AMIGA +Zorro III bus.... + + VL Bus is a bit too much of a hack for my liking... + + Toodlepip! + Marc 'em. +",3 +9178,"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) +Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 +Organization: Florida State University +Lines: 27 + +I have been following this thread on talk.religion, +soc.religion.christian.bible-study and here with interest. I am amazed at +the different non-biblical argument those who oppose the Sabbath present. + +One question comes to mind, especially since my last one was not answered +from Scripture. Maybe clh may wish to provide the first response. + +There is a lot of talk about the Sabbath of the TC being ceremonial. +Answer this: + +Since the TC commandments is one law with ten parts on what biblical +basis have you decided that only the Sabbath portion is ceremonial? +OR You say that the seventh-day is the Sabbath but not applicable to +Gentile Christians. Does that mean the Sabbath commandment has been +annulled? References please. + +If God did not intend His requirements on the Jews to be applicable to +Gentile Christians why did He make it plain that the Gentiles were now +grafted into the commonwealth of Israel? + +Darius + +[Acts 15, Rom 14:5, Col 2:16, Gal 4:10. I believe we've gotten into +a loop at this point. This is one of those classic situations where +both sides think they have clear Scriptural support, and there's no +obvious argument that is going to change anybody's mind. I don't think +we're going anything but repeating ourselves. --clh] +",15 +1321,"From: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de (Richard Spitz) +Subject: Re: Windows for WorkGroups and LAN Workplace +Reply-To: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de (Richard Spitz) +Organization: Inst. f. Anaesthesiologie der LMU, Muenchen (Germany) +Distribution: comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.ms-,world +Lines: 30 + +Flint.Waters@uwyo.edu (Flint Waters) writes: + + +>>Now does anyone know if it is possible to use W4WG and Lan Workplace +>>for DOS at the same time. + +>Yup. We're using both and they work just fine. Hopefully, someday WFWG +>will communicate over LWP TCPIP. Right now we have to load NetBeui. + +>I use ODI with ODINSUP and all works well. + +Hey, sounds great. Does that mean that W4WG works with ODI? I thought it +uses NDIS. + +My problem is that Lan Workplace with all its drivers uses up most of my +UMBs, so I'd hate to have to load many more drivers to make W4WG work +along. + +I read in a German computer magazine that TCP/IP support for W4WG is just +around the corner. Anybody have any news about this? + +Regards, Richard + +-- ++----------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ +| Dr. Richard Spitz | INTERNET: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de | +| EDV-Gruppe Anaesthesie | Tel : +49-89-7095-3421 | +| Klinikum Grosshadern | FAX : +49-89-7095-8886 | +| Munich, Germany | | ++----------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ +",2 +10693,"From: starowl@rahul.net (Michael D. Adams) +Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage +Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero +Reply-To: starowl@rahul.net +Organization: D Service Actuarial Consulting +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 14 + +On Sat, 17 Apr 1993 20:42:58 GMT, Greg Hennessy observed: +: In article phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: +: #Tells you something about the fascist politics being practiced .... + +: Ah, ending discrimination is now fascism. + +Is that what they called it when Truman forced integration of the +armed forces, despite the opposition of Congress and most of the +American public at that time? + +-- +Michael D. Adams (starowl@a2i.rahul.net) Enterprise, Alabama + + ""Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills."" -- Lazarus Long +",18 +6092,"From: j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) +Subject: Plus minus stat +Organization: University of Western Ontario +Nntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca +Lines: 165 + +>Post: 51240 of 51243 +>Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey +>From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) +>Subject: Re: Plus minus stat +>Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, +>Sudbury, ON Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 01:59:36 GMT + + + +>>>Good for you. You'd only be displaying your ignorance of +>>>course, but to each his own... +>> +>>Roger, I'm not sure here, but I think ""ignorance"" is really a +>>function of ""a lack of knowledge"" and not ""formulating an +>>opinion""...but hey, if you need to take a cheap shot, then by +>>all means go ahead...that's if it makes you feel better. + +>To knowledgeable observers of the game my meaning is obvious. +>Your hockey education is not my responsibility. + +MY HOCKEY EDUCATION? What the f--- are you talking about? I'm +not even going to try to refute this absolutely insane statement. + +>>My word, such vehemence against poor ol' Bob Gainey. Why does +>>he bother you so much...he was an effective player for his +>>style of play. + +>He was just another player. To laud him as anything more I find +>bothersome. I hated the Habs. I hated Lafleur until I realized +>that he was likely the most aesthetically pleasing player to +>ever skate in my lifetime. Why would anyone talk about Gainey? + +""I hate the Habs"" ?...you sound like a 10-year old. This +statement is just further exemplifies your total inability to +argue objectively about hockey. Don't give me this crap about +""cogent arguments""...I've yet to read something of yours that is +cogent. You consistently argue with: (1) emotion; (2) huge, +sweeping statements + +Frankly, you have a very unconvincing style. + +I'm not defending Bob Gainey...frankly, I don't care for him all +that much. But your dismissal of him as something less than an +effective hockey player is tiresome...it has no basis in +anything. How many Calders did he win? I think it was four (go +ahead and refresh my memory). What about the Conn Smythe? Was +that a fluke? Yeah, not the makings of a hockey superstar, I +know, but try to have a reason, any reason, to shoot him down. + +>>>go around. Who would you rather have as your ""checking"" +>>>centre? Doug Gilmour or Doug Jarvis? For that matter I would +>>>take either Gretzky or Mario as my ""checking"" centres. Do you +>>>think Gretzky could cover Bob Gainey? + +>>I'm really sorry Roger, but you have lost me completely here. +>>Why don't you ask me if I would rather have Jesus Christ, +>>himself, in nets? + +>Did he play hockey at a high level? Was he any good? If not, +>why would you bother to bring JC up? I am talking about hockey +>players here. If you can't follow the conversation don't follow +>up. As I said previously, it is not my responsibility to +>educate you. + +Hey cowboy! You're the ""expert"" who introduced the idiotic +comparison of Gainey with Gretzky and Lemieux...you figure it +out. + +>>Now, if you were to compare, say for example, Bob Gainey with +>>Guy Carbonneau, you would have a balanced comparison. + +>Sure. Two journeymen. Big deal. Neither one of them is worth +>discussing. + +How many individual awards between them? Eight...I don't remember +(once again, please feel free to refresh my memory...and try to +be as sarcastic as possible about my ""hockey education""). + +>I'm wrong AGAIN...hmmm, let's see...where was I wrong in the + +>>>I would take Fuhr and Sanderson off of the latter. + +OH MY GOD!!! Did I say that? Roger...what's your point? Fuhr +is a goaltender, goaltender's don't ""plug""...in his prime, he was +one of the best. Sanderson was a scrapper...if you stick him on +you may as well include half the Flyers team of the same era. + +>>first place? I'm only guessing here, Rog, but I have a feeling +>>that you've setup a ""You're wrong again"" macro key on your +>>machine. + +>That is an excellent idea and if I decide to waste any more time +>responding to any of your, or Greg's, postings then I will be +>sure to implement that very macro. + +Oh Roger, you shouldn't...really. I don't deserve this...you are +far too accomodating already. + +>>I would suggest that your comment: ""And when the press runs out +>>of things to say about the stars on dynasties they start to +>>hype the pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, +>>Bob Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne +>>Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri Richard, +>>Dick Duff...and so on..."" demonstrates a blanket disregard for +>>these individuals as contributors to the game...so yes, settle +>>down...nobody has claimed that they are hockey gods. + +>Tarasov claimed that Gainey was a ""hockey god."" And Greg ate +>it up. And that is what this thread is all about. If you didn't +>know that then why are you responding? + +You seem to have allowed all of these other players fall into +your sweeping, vacuous statement...that's why. If you want to +debate Gainey, go ahead...but why bring up everybody else? How +does it support your argument? Do you have an argument, or do +you just like to throw around a few names hoping to impress us? + + +>And as for ""blanket disregard for these individuals"", I can +>remember Leaf teams, purely populated by such ""individuals"", +>winning four Stanley Cups. Teams. No one ran around telling +>us that George Armstrong was the best hockey player in the +>world. + +Great. I couldn't agree more. The Flyers won two cups for the +same reasons...deservedly so. So what? I don't get it. Are you +angry that the Leafs didn't get more recognition? + +You seem to think these pluggers are ""hyped""...I don't +agree...plain and simple. If you're last statement is some sort +of compromise, fair enough. + +>>>You might consider developing your own style. After all, +>>>imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and I am quite +>>>sure that flattery is not your intention. +>> +>>C'mon...it has a nice ring to it...and admit it, you had a good +>>laugh. + +>Right. I had to get to the end of your posting before I +>realized you were a complete joke. + +Not a pleasant bone in your body, eh Rog? Why are you so +unhappy? Not getting invited to enough parties? What? + +>In the future, if you are going to respond to my postings I +>would appreciate it if you could present a cogent argument +>supported by facts gleaned from a version of reality that most +>of the rest of us would recognize. + +Roger, why are you under the impression that responding to your +posts is some great honour? You really should stop...it sounds +a little bit pathetic. Frankly, it's about as honourable as a +good fart. + +congenially, as always, + +jd + +-- +James David +j3david@student.business.uwo.ca/s + +j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) +Western Business School -- London, Ontario +",10 +2203,"From: wally@Auspex.COM (Wally Bass) +Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI +Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara +Lines: 20 +Nntp-Posting-Host: alpha1-e5.auspex.com + +In article <1993Apr19.034517.12820@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca + (Wayne Smith) writes: + [stuff deleted] +>So the lowly low-density original PC FDD card used DMA and the PC-AT +>HDD controller doesn't!?!? That makes real sense. + +Actually, it does make a reasonable amount of sense. Fixed disk +sectors are buffered by the controller, and transferring them to +memory with a 'rep insw' (or whatever the instruction is called) is +quite efficient (single instruction, goes as fast as the +controller/cpu know how to use the bus). Since the 286 wasn't cached, +the bus is likely a critical resource relative to CPU performance, and +it's possible that DMA bus interference would cause as much or more +loss of CPU cycles (for 'computing') as does the 'rep insw' sequence. + +The floppy, on the other hand, is not buffered, so that using the CPU +for floppy data transfer (as was done on the PC Jr, by the way) really +does stink. + +Wally Bass +",3 +2050,"From: x89olarte1@gw.wmich.edu +Subject: My computer gets locked!! HELP!!!!!! +Organization: Western Michigan University +Lines: 17 + + +A weird thing has happened to my computer lately, +it gets locked (stops doing anything) at any instance +without any reason whatsover. I might be using +Edit and gets locked, or i might be at the prompt +at the same occurs. It happens almost once every 3 times +i connect the computer, Does Anyone have the slight idea +what's wrong with it? + +(If i try to use CTRL-ALT-DEL after that, no response. I have +to turn it off and back on again) + +Thanks. Any help will be really appreciated. + +E-mail if possible as sometimes i can't access this service. + +Enrique +",3 +10962,"From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) +Subject: Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions +Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco +Lines: 24 + +hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes: +>bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: +> +>>Specifically: when I bring up the fact that Genesis contains two +>>contradictory creation stories, I usually get blank stares or flat +>>denials. I've never had a fundamentalist acknowledge that there are +>>indeed two different accounts of creation. +> +>That is because two creation stories is one of the worst examples of +>a difficulty with the Bible. ""were formed"" can also be translated ""had been +>formed"" in chapter two without any problems. So the text does not demand +>that there are two creation stories. + +Really? I don't get it... Genesis first says that God created the +earth, then the animals, then humans; then it turns around and says +that humans were created before animals! How can you escape this +contradiction? + +-- +_/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun +/_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire +_/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent. + / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre. + / is that it ends. -- Rousseau +",19 +2251,"From: jcav@ellis.uchicago.edu (JohnC) +Subject: your opinion of the LaserWriter Select 310? +Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu +Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things +Lines: 10 + +This model is one of the two low-cost laser printers that Apple just +introduced. I'm thinking of getting one to use at home. Have any of you +had any experience with this printer? Does it have Level-2 PostScript? +If you've bought one, are you happy with it? + +-- +John Cavallino | EMail: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu +University of Chicago Hospitals | John_Cavallino@uchfm.bsd.uchicago.edu +Office of Facilities Management | USMail: 5841 S. Maryland Ave, MC 0953 +B0 f++ w c+ g++ k+ s++ e h- p | Chicago, IL 60637 +",4 +5937,"From: gjp@sei.cmu.edu (George Pandelios) +Subject: Re: Washington To Beat Pitt +Organization: The Software Engineering Institute +Lines: 35 + + +In article <1993Apr14.185059.27513@ncsu.edu>, fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE) writes: +|> +|> +|> +|> > +|> > What makes you think so? I'd like to understand your reasoning. +|> > From my seat, the Caps don't really appear to believe that they can +|> > defeat Pittsburgh. Therefore, they don't. I think their spirit was +|> > broken in last year's playoffs and hasn't really recovered. I don't know +|> > what the season series numbers were, but I believe that the Pens won it. +|> > I think that either the Devils or the Islanders will cause more problems for +|> +|> +|> What is this spirit crap? I'm a Caps fan and hope they win +|> if they end up facing Pittsburgh, +|> but I don't think the Caps lose to Pitt because of lack +|> of spirit. Yes, the Penguins won the season series against the +|> Caps. They've won eighteen games in a row for God's sake. +|> Did you ever think the Penguins might be good, and that's +|> why they win? + +I re-read what I wrote and it didn't say exactly what I thought. + +Sure the Pens are a better team. They've got size and the best skill players +in the league. They've also got the best clutch goaltending. They're the +best team in the league. + +But, my point was the Caps have not played to their ability level vs the +Pens since last year's choke. And that's the mental problem (the one they've +had for a number of years) I tried to point out. Spirit, mental preparedness, +will to win, whatever you want to call it, it's missing when the Caps play the +Pens. Actually, you're right - it won't make any difference. + +George +",10 +528,"From: george@ccmail.larc.nasa.gov (George M. Brown) +Subject: QC/MSC code to view/save images +Organization: Client Specific Systems, Inc. +Lines: 12 +NNTP-Posting-Host: thrasher.larc.nasa.gov + +Dear Binary Newsers, + +I am looking for Quick C or Microsoft C code for image decoding from file for +VGA viewing and saving images from/to GIF, TIFF, PCX, or JPEG format. I have +scoured the Internet, but its like trying to find a Dr. Seuss spell checker +TSR. It must be out there, and there's no need to reinvent the wheel. + +Thanx in advance. + +////////////// + + The Internet is like a Black Hole.... +",1 +9713,"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) +Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! +Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. +Lines: 16 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com + +In article , irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: + +> >> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day +> >> in Texas. + +> >Do YOU eat all your food cold? + +> Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular. +> Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially. + +And they work especially well when the Feds have cut off your utilities. +-- + +cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, +OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... + +",16 +839,"From: daniel@lclark.edu (Daniel Snodgrass) +Subject: Re: stand alone editing suite. +Article-I.D.: lclark.1993Apr20.191542.9392 +Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR +Lines: 63 + +In article <1qvkaeINNgat@shelley.u.washington.edu> eylerken@stein.u.washington.edu (Ken Eyler) writes: +>I need some help. We are upgrading our animation/video editing stand. We +>are looking into the different type of setups for A/B roll and a cuts only +>station. We would like this to be controlled by a computer ( brand doesnt matter but maybe MAC, or AMIGA). Low end to high end system setups would be very +>helpful. If you have a system or use a system that might be of use, could you +>mail me your system requirements, what it is used for, and all the hardware and +>software that will be necessary to set the system up. If you need more +>info, you can mail me at eylerken@u.washington.edu +> +>thanks in advance. +> +>:ken +>:eylerken@u.washington.edu + + +Here at Lewis and Clark College we have recently installed a Digital Film +system (based on the Mac Quadra) that does non-linear, full digital editing. + +If you're considering such a system, here are the pros and cons: + +For the educational environment, this system is excellent. We use it to +produce a variety of educational materials for disemination on our local +network. Because this programming is going to be viewed on other Macs, the +image quality is not as important as the ability to directly export the +video to the Net. + +We also use it to produce orientiation and promotional video programs for +use by the Lewis & Clark community. Since these programs are not meant for +commercial or broadcast use, image quality is not critical. + +The Digital Film system, for those of you who are uninitiated, is an A/B roll +digitizing system on one $5000 JPEG compression card. It was promoted as +an inexpensive online editing system with SVHS quality. SuperMac, the maker +of the card, is trying to achieve this quality level, but as yet, has been +unable to deliver. Our system produces ""near VHS"" quality at 30 fields per +second (640x480 overscan). The card repeats every other field to get 60 +fields per second. This results in a kind of Super 8 film look that some +find distracting. + +If you can get past this problem, you'll find the Adobe Premier editing +software quite enjoyable with which to work. It produces thousands of +different effects from crystalize filters to DVE transitions to color matting. + +Because of its non-linear nature, editing is fast and easy. If you've ever +used (or seen used) an AVID or Montage system, you'll recognize the methodology +and the user interface. + +The total system with Quadra 950 (40Megs of RAM), 1 gig drive, 21"" Apple mon- +itor, Panasonic SVHS 1960 edit deck, audio gear (cassette, CD, EQ, mixer, etc), +Composite monitor, Digital Film card will set you back about $20,000. + +For you video cowboys and girls, this system will not output at a quality +that will satisfy most of your clients. Even though you can perform more +effects than a toasterhead can imagine, an Amiga based off-line based system +will look better. + +We use both Macs and Amigas for our video work. Each for what each does best! + + +Dan Snodgrass +Media Services +Lewis & Clark College +Portland +",1 +10217,"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) +Subject: Re: Hamza Salah, the Humanist +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) +Lines: 8 +NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu + + +Mr. Salah, why are you such a homicidal racist? Do you feel this +same hatred towards Christans, or is it only Jews? Are you from +a family of racists? Did you learn this racism in your home? Or +are you a self-made bigot? How does one become such a racist? I +wonder what you think your racism will accomplish. Are you under +the impression that your racism will help bring peace in the mid- +east? I would like to know your thoughts on this. +",17 +9278,"From: news@cbnewsk.att.com +Subject: Re: What WAS the immaculate conception +Organization: AT&T Bell Labs +Lines: 30 + +In article todd@nickel.laurentian.ca writes: +>{:> Your roommate is correct. The Immaculate Conception refers to +>{:> the conception of Mary in Her mother's womb. +> +>Okay, now that we've defined the Immaculate Conception Doctrine would it +>be possible for those more knowledgeable in the area to give the biblically +>or other support for it. I've attempted to come to terms with it previously +>(in an attempt to understand it for learning purposes) and haven't been able +>to grasp the reasoning. +> +It was a gift from God. I think basically the reasoning was that the +tradition in the Church held that Mary was also without sin as was Jesus. +As the tenets of faith developed, particularly with Augustine, sin was +more and more equated with sex, and thus Mary was assumed to be a virgin +for life (since she never sinned, and since she was the spouse of God, etc.) +Since we also had this notion of original sin, ie. that man is born with +a predisposition to sin, and since Mary did not have this predisposition +because she did not ever sin, she didn't have original sin. When science +discovered the process of conception, the next step was to assume that +Mary was conceived without original sin, the Immaculate Conception. + +Mary at that time appeared to a girl named Bernadette at Lourdes. She +refered to herself as the Immaculate Conception. Since a nine year old +would have no way of knowing about the doctrine, the apparition was deemed +to be true and it sealed the case for the doctrine. + +RCs hold that all revelation comes from two equally important sources, that +being Sacred Scripture and Holy Tradition. In this case, mostly tradition. + +Joe Moore +",15 +7394,"From: u934132@student.canberra.edu.au (Ogawa / Taro Stephen (ISE)) +Subject: Help wanted +Summary: Decoders +Organization: University of Canberra +Lines: 9 + +Could someone please tell me if a 1/4 decoder is the same as a 1 to 4 +demultiplexer. I know how to link 2 of these to get an 8 output circuit, +but how do I link 5 of these to make a 1/16 multiplexer. Sorry if this +seems like a lame question, but I'm only a newbie to electronics, and I +have to do this circuit. Please make any mail as droolproof as possible. + + Thanx, + Taro Ogawa + (u934132@student.canberra.edu.au) +",12 +4835,"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) +Subject: Antifreeze/coolant +Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. +Lines: 12 + + For those of you with motorcycles of the liquid-cooled persuasion, +what brand of coolant do you use and why? I am looking for aluminum-safe +coolant, preferably phosphate-free, and preferably cheaper than $13/gallon. +(Can you believe it: the Kaw dealer wants $4.95 a QUART for the Official +Blessed Holy Kawasaki Coolant!!! No way I'm paying that usury...) + +Thanks, +-- +Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady +behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike +Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name +agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. +",8 +10595,"From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) +Subject: Re: Supply Side Economic Policy (was Re: David Stockman ) +Article-I.D.: desire.1993Apr6.125825.8263 +Distribution: na +Organization: ACME Products +Lines: 60 + +In article , Ashish Arora writes: +> Excerpts from netnews.sci.econ: 5-Apr-93 Re: Supply Side Economic Po.. +> by Not a Boomer@desire.wrig +> [...] +> +>> The deficits declined from 84-9, reaching a low of 2.9% of GNP before +>> the tax and spending hike of 1990 reversed the trend. +>> +>> Brett +> Is this true ? Some more details would be appreciated. + +In billions of dollars (%GNP): +year GNP receipts outlays deficit debt unempl% admin +==== ==== =========== ============ ========= ====== ======= ======= +1977 1930 355.6 (18.4) 409.2 (21.2) 53.6 (2.8) 709.1 Carter +1978 2174 399.6 (18.4) 458.7 (21.1) 59.2 (2.7) 780.4 Carter +1979 2444 463.3 (19.0) 503.5 (20.6) 40.2 (1.6) 833.8 Carter +1980 2674 517.1 (19.3) 590.9 (22.1) 73.8 (2.8) 914.3 7.9 Carter +1981 2986 599.3 (20.1) 678.2 (22.7) 78.9 (2.6) 1003.9 8.4 Reagan +1982 3130 617.8 (19.7) 745.7 (23.8) 127.9 (4.1) 1147.0 11.0 Reagan +1983 3325 600.6 (18.1) 808.3 (24.3) 207.8 (6.2) 1381.9 10.9 Reagan +1984 3688 666.5 (18.1) 851.8 (23.1) 185.3 (5.0) 1576.7 8.6 Reagan +1985 3958 734.1 (18.5) 946.3 (23.9) 212.3 (5.4) 1827.5 8.1 Reagan +1986 4177 769.1 (18.4) 989.8 (23.7) 220.7 (5.3) 2129.5 7.9 Reagan +1987 4442 854.1 (19.2) 1002.1 (22.6) 148.0 (3.4) 2354.3 7.1 Reagan +1988 4771 909.0 (19.1) 1064.1 (22.3) 155.1 (3.2) 2614.6 6.3 Reagan +1989 5201 990.8 (19.0) 1142.8 (22.0) 152.0 (2.9) 2881.1 Bush +1990 1031.2 1251.6 220.4 3190.5 Bush +1991 1054.3 1323.0 268.7 3599.0 Bush + +[Source: Statistical Abstract of the US (1990 version), American Almanac +(1993 version), Universal Almanac (1993 version), Information Please Almanac +(1991 version)] + + GRAPHICALLY: Deficits as a % of GNP, 1981-89 + +% GNP +7| + | +6| X + | X X +5| X + | +4| X + | X +3| X X + | X +2| + | +1| + |____________________________________________________________________________ +0 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 + + Ironically, Bush could have frozen spending, kept his ""no new taxes"" +pledge and balanced the budget. + +Brett +________________________________________________________________________________ + ""There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an +intellectual conviction."" Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert. +",18 +593,"From: williams4000@iscsvax.uni.edu +Subject: BOOK OF KELLS CORRECTION!!! +Organization: University of Northern Iowa +Lines: 11 + +I aparantly mistyped the address for the ftp site which holds the images. The +correct address should be: + +jupiter.csd.unb.ca + ^^ +rather than jupiter.csd.unb.edu. They are in the directory: + +\pub\library.info + +Jon Williams +University of Northern Iowa +",1 +9480,"From: jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) +Subject: Re: ""militia"" (incredibly long) +Organization: Interactive Media Group - University of Massachusetts at Lowell +Lines: 54 + +In article <1qna9m$nq8@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: +-> In article , jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes: +-> > But, do you knew how much organization is required to training a large +-> > group of poeple twice a year. Just to try to get the same people +-> > every year, provide a basic training to new people so they can +-> > be integrated into the force, and find a suitable location, it +-> > requires a continually standing committee of organizers. +-> +-> Again, my response is, ""so what?"" Is Mr. Rutledge arguing that since +-> the local and federal governments have abandoned their charter to support +-> such activity, and passed laws prohibiting private organizations from +-> doing so, that they have eliminated the basis for the RKBA? On the +-> contrary, to anyone who understands the game, they have strengthened it. + +No, I originally argued that the Second Amendment was ""a little bit +and an anachronism."" These prohibiting laws are examples why the are +an anachronism. After all, laws in made by representatives of the +people. These representatives of the people have already decided +that the Second Amendment does not apply or is too broad in some +cases. Since these representatives feel an unconditional +interpretation is not wanted, then it is probable that they majority +of the people feel the same way. If this is so, it is an example +of the people using their power of government. If this is not +how the people feel, the people should stand up and state their wishes. + +> Mox nix, Mr. Rutledge. YOU are the only one here claiming that the +-> RKBA is dependent on the existence of a top-flight, well-regulated +-> militia. Why this is a false assumption has already been posted a +-> number of times. + +No, I simple stated that the people have a right to ""join a well +organized militia."" And I have also stated that a militia that +meets once or twice a year is clearly ""well organized."" And this +state of readiness that I have claimed the people have a ""right"" +to, is the same state of readiness expected of the militia as stated +by Hamilton. + + +-- ++-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ +| | ""If only it were a modern document, with a | +| John Lawrence Rutledge | smart index and hyper links stretching all | +| Research Assistant | through the world data net. It was terribly | +| | frustrating to flip back and forth between | +| Interactive Media Group | the pages and crude flat illustrations that | +| Computer Science Department | never even moved. Nor were there animated | +| UMass - Lowell | arrows or zoom-ins. It completely lacked a | +| 1 University Ave. | for sound. | +| Lowell, MA 01854 | ""Most baffling of all was the problem of new | +| | words... In normal text you'd only have to | +| (508) 934-3568 | touch an unfamiliar word and the definition | +| jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu | would pop up just below."" | +| | from David Brin's ""Earth"" | ++-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ +",16 +7792,"From: sdbsd5@cislabs.pitt.edu (Stephen D Brener) +Subject: Japanese for Scientists and Engineers +Organization: University of Pittsburgh +Lines: 101 + + + INTENSIVE JAPANESE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH THIS SUMMER + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + + +The University of Pittsburgh is offering two intensive Japanese language +courses this summer. Both courses, Intensive Elementary Japanese and +Intensive Intermediate Japanese, are ten week, ten credit courses +each equivalent to one full year of Japanese language study. They begin +June 7 and end August 13. The courses meet five days per week, five hours +per day. There is a flat rate tuition charge of $1600 per course. +Fellowships available for science and engineering students. Contact +Steven Brener, Program Manager of the Japanese Science and Technology +Management Program, at the University of Pittsburgh at the number or +address below. +ALL INTERESTED INDIVIDUALS ARE ENCOURAGED TO APPLY, THIS IS NOT LIMITED TO +UNIVERSITY STUDENTS. + + + + + +####################################################################### +################# New Program Announcement ######################## +####################################################################### + + + JAPANESE SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM + +The Japanese Science and Technology Management Program (JSTMP) is a new +program jointly developed by the University of Pittsbugh and Carnegie Mellon +University. Students and professionals in the engineering and scientific +communitites are encouraged to apply for classes commencing in June 1993 and +January 1994. + + +PROGRAM OBJECTIVES +The program intends to promote technology transfer between Japan and the +United States. It is also designed to let scientists, engineers, and managers +experience how the Japanese proceed with technological development. This is +facilitated by extended internships in Japanese research facilities and +laboratories that provide participants with the opportunity to develop +long-term professional relationships with their Japanese counterparts. + + +PROGRAM DESIGN +To fulfill the objectives of the program, participants will be required to +develop advanced language capability and a deep understanding of Japan and +its culture. Correspondingly, JSTMP consists of three major components: + +1. TRAINING IN THE JAPANESE LANGUAGE +Several Japanese language courses will be offered, including intensive courses +designed to expedite language preparation for scientists and engineers in a +relatively short time. + +2. EDUCATION IN JAPANESE BUSINESS AND SOCIAL CULTURE +A particular enphasis is placed on attaining a deep understanding of the +cultural and educational basis of Japanese management approaches in +manufacturing and information technology. Courses will be available in a +variety of departments throughout both universities including Anthropology, +Sociology, History, and Political Science. Moreover, seminars and colloquiums +will be conducted. Further, a field trip to Japanese manufacturing or +research facilities in the United States will be scheduled. + + +3. AN INTERNSHIP OR A STUDY MISSION IN JAPAN +Upon completion of their language and cultural training at PITT and CMU, +participants will have the opportunity to go to Japan and observe, +and participate in the management of technology. Internships in Japan +will generally run for one year; however, shorter ones are possible. + + +FELLOWSHIPS COVERING TUITION FOR LANGUAGE AND CULTURE COURSES, AS WELL AS +STIPENDS FOR LIVING EXPENSES ARE AVAILABLE. + + FOR MORE INFORMATION AND APPLICATION MATERIALS CONTACT + +STEVEN BRENER SUSIE BROWN +JSTMP Carnegie Mellon University, GSIA +University of Pittsburgh Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 +4E25 Forbes Quadrangle Telephone: (412) 268-7806 +Pittsburgh, PA 15260 FAX: (412) 268-8163 +Telephone: (412) 648-7414 +FAX: (412) 648-2199 + +############################################################################ +############################################################################ + + +Interested individuals, companies and institutions should respond by phone or +mail. Please do not inquire via e-mail. +Please note that this is directed at grads and professionals, however, advanced +undergrads will be considered. Further, funding is resticted to US citizens +and permanent residents of the US. + +Steve Brener + + + + + +",13 +10126,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: Armenians serving in the Wehrmacht and the SS. +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +Lines: 63 + +In article <735426299@amazon.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Eduard Wiener) writes: + +> I can see how little taste you actually have in the +> cheap shot you took at me when I did nothing more +> than translate Kozovski's insulting reference +> to Milan Pavlovic. + +C'mon, you still haven't corrected yourself, 'wieneramus'. In April +1942, Hitler was preparing for the invasion of the Caucasus. A +number of Nazi Armenian leaders began submitting plans to German +officials in spring and summer 1942. One of them was Souren Begzadian +Paikhar, son of a former ambassador of the Armenian Republic in Baku. +Paikhar wrote a letter to Hitler, asking for German support to his +Armenian national socialist movement Hossank and suggesting the +creation of an Armenian SS formation in order + +""to educate the youth of liberated Armenia according to the + spirit of the Nazi ideas."" + +He wanted to unite the Armenians of the already occupied territories +of the USSR in his movement and with them conquer historic Turkish +homeland. Paikhar was confined to serving the Nazis in Goebbels +Propaganda ministry as a speaker for Armenian- and French-language +radio broadcastings.[1] The Armenian-language broadcastings were +produced by yet another Nazi Armenian Viguen Chanth.[2] + +[1] Patrick von zur Muhlen (Muehlen), p. 106. +[2] Enno Meyer, A. J. Berkian, 'Zwischen Rhein und Arax, 900 + Jahre Deutsch-Armenische beziehungen,' (Heinz Holzberg + Verlag-Oldenburg 1988), pp. 124 and 129. + + +The establishment of Armenian units in the German army was favored +by General Dro (the Butcher). He played an important role in the +establishment of the Armenian 'legions' without assuming any +official position. His views were represented by his men in the +respective organs. An interesting meeting took place between Dro +and Reichsfuehrer-SS Heinrich Himmler toward the end of 1942. +Dro discussed matters of collaboration with Himmler and after +a long conversation, asked if he could visit POW camp close to +Berlin. Himmler provided Dro with his private car.[1] + +A minor problem was that some of the Soviet nationals were not +'Aryans' but 'subhumans' according to the official Nazi philosophy. +As such, they were subject to German racism. However, Armenians +were the least threatened and indeed most privileged. In August +1933, Armenians had been recognized as Aryans by the Bureau of +Racial Investigation in the Ministry for Domestic Affairs. + +[1] Meyer, Berkian, ibid., pp. 112-113. + +Need I go on? + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) + + +",17 +3132,"From: dave@einstein.andi.org (David Scheck) +Subject: imake (X11R4) cpp problems on AIX +Keywords: imake X11R4 AIX +Nntp-Posting-Host: einstein.andi.org +Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International +Lines: 28 + +I am trying to build and use imake (X11R4) on an IBM RS/6000 running AIX V3.2. +I am having the following 2 problems. + +(1) Many of my Imakefile's have contructs like + /**/#This is a makefile + at the start of lines to pass Makefile comments thru the C + preprocessor and into the Makefile. Most of the C preprocessors that + I have used will not treat such a # as appearing at the start of the + line. Thus the C preprocessor does not treat the hash symbol as the + start of a directive. + + However the IBM cpp strips the comment and treats the hash symbol + as the start of a directive. The cpp fails when it determines + that ""This"" is not a known directive. I have temporarily hacked my + imake to handle this situation but would like to come up with a better + fix. + +(2) Several Imakefiles use /**/ as a parameter to a macro when a particular + use of the macro does not need a value for the parameter. The AIX cpp + gives warnings about these situations but continues to work OK. + +If you are familiar with these problems and have solutions, I would appreciate +information about on your solutions. (Perhaps, this is solved in a later +version of imake that I have not reviewed.) Also, do you know of other cpp's +that behave similarly? + +Since I do not have easy access to News, a response to +'white_billy@po.gis.prc.com' would be appreciated. +",5 +9431,"From: hambidge@bms.com +Subject: Re: I believe in gun control. +Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com +Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb +Lines: 17 + +In article , nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes: +> cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes: +>>I believe in gun control. How about you? +> +> I believe in gun control, too . . . assuming by ""gun control"" +> you mean always being able to hit your target. +> +> +>---peter +> + Or, how about the Clint Eastwood line in ""Pink Cadillac"" - + ""I believe in gun control. If there's a gun around, I wanna be + the one controlling it."" + +Al +[standard disclaimer] + +",16 +4811,"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) +Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect +Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. +Lines: 14 + +In article <1993Apr15.141927.23722@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes: +>Huh? +> +>- Roid + + On a completely different tack, what was the eventual outcome of +Babe vs. the Bad-Mouthed Biker? + +Later, +-- +Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady +behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike +Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name +agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. +",8 +3,"From: mathew +Subject: Re: university violating separation of church/state? +Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. +X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 +Lines: 29 + +dmn@kepler.unh.edu (...until kings become philosophers or philosophers become kings) writes: +> Recently, RAs have been ordered (and none have resisted or cared about +> it apparently) to post a religious flyer entitled _The Soul Scroll: Thoughts +> on religion, spirituality, and matters of the soul_ on the inside of bathroom +> stall doors. (at my school, the University of New Hampshire) It is some sort +> of newsletter assembled by a Hall Director somewhere on campus. It poses a +> question about 'spirituality' each issue, and solicits responses to be +> included in the next 'issue.' It's all pretty vague. I assume it's put out +> by a Christian, but they're very careful not to mention Jesus or the bible. +> I've heard someone defend it, saying ""Well it doesn't support any one religion. +> "" So what??? This is a STATE university, and as a strong supporter of the +> separation of church and state, I was enraged. +> +> What can I do about this? + +It sounds to me like it's just SCREAMING OUT for parody. Give a copy to your +friendly neighbourhood SubGenius preacher; with luck, he'll run it through the +mental mincer and hand you back an outrageously offensive and gut-bustingly +funny parody you can paste over the originals. + +I can see it now: + + The Stool Scroll + Thoughts on Religion, Spirituality, and Matters of the Colon + + (You can use this text to wipe) + + +mathew +",0 +9141,"From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) +Subject: Re: SSPX schism ? +Organization: none +Lines: 138 + +In article shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker) writes: + + You ask where we are. I would echo that question. I'm not trying to be + contentious. But assuming that the Pope has universal jurisdiction + and authority, what authority do you rely upon for your decisions? + What prevents me from choosing ANY doctrine I like and saying that + Papal disagreement is an error that will be resolved in time? + This is especially true, since Councils of Bishops have basically + stood by the Pope. + +The ultimate question is the traditional theology of the Church. This +is the *only* thing that it is possible to resist a Pope for: his +departure from the traditional doctrine of the Church. If commands +from *any* authority conflict with Tradition, the commands must be +disobeyed. + +My own view on this is that this conflict could only happen in a major +way. God would never allow a hair-splitting situation to develop; it +would be too complex for people to figure out. I don't view the +present situation in the Church as anything extremely complicated. +Run through a list of what has happened in the last 30 years in the +Catholic Church, and any impartial observer will be aghast. + + It appears that much of what lies at the heart of this matter is + disagreements over what is tradition and Tradition, and also over + authority and discipline. + +The problems stem from a general widespread ignorance of the Catholic +Faith, in my opinion. Most Catholics know about zilch about the +Catholic Faith; this leaves them wide open for destruction by erring +bishops. It's basically the Reformation part II. + +There is not even a question in my mind that in some respects the +shards of the Catholic Church are currently being trampled upon by the +Catholic hierarchy. I could go on listing shocking things for an +hour, probably. + +Take the situation in Campos, Brazil, for example. I'm reading a book +on what happened there after Vatican Council II. The bishop, Antonio +de Castro-Mayer, never introduced all the changes that followed in the +wake of Vatican II. He kept the traditional Mass, the same old +catechisms, etc. He made sure the people knew their faith, the +Catholic theology of obedience, what Modernism was, etc. He +innoculated the people against what was coming. + +Well, one day the order came from Rome for his retirement. It came +when the Pope was sick. Bishop de Castro-Mayer waited until the Pope +recovered, then inquired whether this command was what the Pope really +wanted, or something that some Liberal had commanded in his absence. +The Pope confirmed the decision. So the good bishop retired. + +The injustice that followed was completely incredible. A new bishop +was installed. He proceeded to expel most of bishop de Castro-Mayer's +clergy from their churches, because they refused to celebrate the New +Mass. The new bishop would visit a parish, and celebrate a New Mass. +The people would promptly walk out of the church en masse. The bishop +was *enraged* by this. He usually resorted to enlisting the help of +the secular authorities to eject the priest from the church. The +priests would just start building new churches; the people were +completely behind them. The old parishes had the New Mass, as the +bishop desired -- and virtually no parishioners. + +The prime motivation for all this was completely illegal, according to +canon law. No priest can be penalized in any way for saying the +traditional Mass, because of legislation enacted by Pope Saint Pius V. +Nor is there any obligation to say the New Mass. + +During all this process, the people of Campos, not just private +individuals, but including civil authorities, were constantly sending +petitions and letters to Rome to do something about the new Modernist +bishop. NOTHING was ever done; no help ever arrived from Rome. +Eventually 37 priests were kicked out, and about 40,000 people. + + My question to the supporters of SSPX is this: + + Is there ANY way that your positions with respect to church reforms + could change and be conformed to those of the Pope? (assuming that + the Pope's position does not change and that the leaders of SSPX + don't jointly make such choice.) + + If not, this appears to be claiming infallible teaching authority. + If I adopt the view that ""I'm NOT wrong, I CAN'T be wrong, and + there's NO WAY I'll change my mind, YOU must change yours"", that + I've either left the Catholic Church or it has left me. + +If the Pope defines certain things ex cathedra, that would be the end +of the controversy. That process is all very well understood in +Catholic theology, and anyone who doesn't go along with it is an +instant non-Catholic. + +The problem here is that people do not appreciate what is going on in +the Catholic world. If they knew the Faith, and what our bishops are +doing, they would be shocked! + + We sould argue from now until the Second Coming about what the ""real"" + traditional teaching of the Church is. If this were a simple matter + East and West would not have been separated for over 900 years. + +This isn't the case in the Catholic Church. There is a massive body +of traditional teaching. The Popes of the last 150 years are +especially relevant. There is no question at all what the traditional +doctrine is. + + I thought that the teaching magisterieum of the church did not allow + error in teachings regarding faith and morals even in the short term.` + I may be wrong here, I'm not Roman Catholic. :-) + +That's heresy, more or less. Although they have done a great job +since the Reformation, the last 30 years have seen so many errors +spread that it's pitiful. + +Infallibility rests in the Pope, and in the Church as a whole. In the +short term, a Pope, or large sections of the Church can go astray. In +fact, that's what usually happens during a major heresy: large +sections of the Church go astray. (The Pope historically has been +much more reliable.) Everything will always come back in the long +run. + + What would be the effect of a Pope making an ex cathedra statement + regarding the SSPX situation? Would it be honored? If not, how + do you get around the formal doctrine of infallibility? + Again, I'm not trying to be contentions, I'm trying to understand. + Since I'm Orthodox, I've got no real vested interest in the outcome, + one way or the other. + +Yes, it would be honored. Infallibility is infallibility. But what +is he going to define? That the New Mass is a better expression of +the Catholic Faith than the old? That sex education in the Catholic +schools is wonderful? That all religions are wonderful except for +that professed by the Popes prior to Vatican II? + + It does if the command was legitimate. SSPX does not view the + Pope's commands as legitimate. Why? This is a VERY slippery slope. + +Not really; start studying the major Catholic theologians of the last +300 years. Everything is very well spelled out. The West excels at +critical thought, remember? That's what Catholic theologians have +been busy at for centuries. +",15 +5404,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center +From: +Subject: Re: White Sox Update + <1993Apr11.213102.4954@midway.uchicago.edu> +Lines: 9 + +i think lamont is tryin sax out in left because he is messing with his +mind. he is trying to stir loose the mental block that he has had. +sax was supposed to play in left last night (4-14) but we were rained +out. it's not like we need to add any more outfielders to our team. + +it's mental + +jimmy +go sox, cubs suck! (that's the white sox, dontcha know?) +",9 +8164,"From: Alla V. Kotenko +Subject: SALE! MELITTIN (see letter) +Reply-To: avk@lst.msk.su +Organization: Laboratory Systems & Technology, Ltd. +Lines: 17 + + MELITTIN + + In cooperation with the State Scientific Center on Antibiotics + we have elaborated our own technology of bee venom components isolation, + particularly melitin, using modern chromatographic eduipment by ""Pharmacia"" + and ""Millipore"" Companies, with application of only the materials, admitted + for manufacturing pharmaceutic production. High quality of our product is + acknowledged by the expertise of the Accredited test laboratory firm ""Test"" +v/o ""Souzexpertisa"" TPP RF. + íÅlittin - no less than 92% of the primary substance content. +Quantity:from 100 g up to 5 kg. +Date of manufacture: March 1993. +Price:2500 dol.USA per 1g. +Certificate:Is on sale +Adress:105094,Moscow,Semyenovskiy Val,10-a, +""BOST""Partnership Ltd.Tel/fax 194-86-04,369-46-68 + +",13 +1221,"From: rcs1@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (R Craig Stevenson) +Subject: W4W: printing envelops on DJ550C (not 500C!) +Nntp-Posting-Host: crux3.cit.cornell.edu +Organization: Cornell University +Lines: 19 + +I've got a probelm with printing envelops on my deskjet 550C from Word +for Windows. + +History: when I had a Deskjet 500, I had to modify the macro so that +it would disable reverse printing since there seemed to be a bug that +interferred with printing envelops. That bug is still present, however... + +Now: the problem I have is that my DeskJet 550 print driver (came with +the printer I bought in December) still wants to print the envelops in +PORTRAIT mode. However, the DeskJet 550 feeds envelops the from the +narrow end (i.e. landscape mode). How do I get the printer to print +the envelops in the correct orientation? + +PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not post this to the net since: + (a) due to end of the semester cruch, I can't keep up on these groups, +and (b) I will summarize the best answer(s) to the net anyhow! + +Thanks in advance, +Craig Stevenson +",2 +11255,"From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) +Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 12 + +In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: + +>I'm mostly angry why the Davidians didn't spare the children the +>awful suffering. See my other posting, I'm in a bad temper. + +Well, dozens of children left the compound between the original BATF assualt +and the FBI assault 7 weeks later. So if Koresh really wanted to kill +children, why did he let so many go? + + +-- +Legalize Freedom +",19 +1799,"From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) +Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI +Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM +Lines: 44 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu + +wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: +>What does a 200-400 meg 5 megs/sec SCSI drive cost? +Since the Quadra is the only Mac able to deal with 5MB/s and Hard drives START +at 160MB I have NO idea. +For the Mac I have the following {These are ALL external} + 20MB $299 {$15/MB} + 52MB $379 {$7.3/MB} + 80MB $449 {$5.63/MB} +120MB $569-$639 {$4.75-$5.33/MB +210MB $979-$1029{$4.67-$4.90/MB} +320MB $1499-$1549 {$4.68-$4.84/MB} +510MB $1999-$2119 ($3.92-$4.31/MB} +etc + +So scsi-1/SCSI-2 for the Mac goes down in price/MB as hard drive size goes +up {and I assume the same for the PC world.} + +>I won't argue that the SCSI standard makes for a good, well implimented +>data highway, but I still want to know why it intrinsically better +>(than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when +>managing data from a single SCSI hard drive. +Well SCSI is ALSO a FLOPPY drive interface. In the Mac {since SCSI is THE +inteface for any non-card, non-modem, not-keyboard device} the id 7 is used +for the floppy drive {called CPU in all identifiers.} This allows cross +drive interfacing as fast as the OS, program, CPU, SCSI, and drive can handle +it{this shows up best in the Quatra line}. +In the IBM that uses SCSI for the FLOPPY drive this should happen as well. +Also SCSI is NOT just drives but printers, scanners, expandsion cards +{this showed up for the Plus as the NuBus 'Cage'}, CD-ROM, etc. +IDE seems to be mainly hard drives. As for specs nobody has GIVEN me any +and I can't find any. Besides the advertizments call IDE the AT interface +{Make of that what you will} +SCSI is a jack of all trades and IDE is a master of ONE. +This alone puts SCSI above IDE. SCSI-2 blows IDE out of the water. +Remember SCSI was used in high priced machines until about 18 months ago +{When the Mac prices came down to Earth} so the Rule of Scale still played +and SCSI remained high cost{cheap seems to mean chezzy in the High end +computer world at times and THIS more than anything else proably kept SCSI +off into the statosphere price wise} +SCSI came FROM the high end computer world with multitasking OS were the +standard for the most part. Of all the interface NeXT could have used it +choose SCSI. In 16-bit and 32-bit mode SCSI is a multi-tasking OS desined +interface while IDE and 8-bit SCSI are braindead run one program interfaces +{at least the way mac use 8-bit SCSI.UGH} +",3 +10013,"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) +Subject: Re: Fundamentalism - again. +Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA +Lines: 17 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com + +In article , khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) writes: +|> One of my biggest complaints about using the word ""fundamentalist"" +|> is that (at least in the U.S.A.) people speak of muslime +|> fundamentalists ^^^^^^^muslim +|> but nobody defines what a jewish or christan fundamentalist is. +|> I wonder what an equal definition would be.. +|> any takers.. + +Well, I would go as far as saying that Naturei Karta are definitely +Jewish fundamentalists. Other ultra-orthodox Jewish groups might very +well be, though I am hesitant of making such a broad generalization. + +-- +Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, +OS Software Engineer | +Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. +Cambridge, MA | +",17 +7176,"Subject: Re: Cable TVI interference +From: ganter@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Ganter) +Organization: Institut fuer Informatik +Nntp-Posting-Host: schroeder.ifi.unibas.ch +Lines: 56 + +In article <1qevrf$4t@hpscit.sc.hp.com> writes: +> +> As is typical nowadaze, you will probably have to do somebody else's job +> for them. Although this shouldn't be needed, you might take a few minutes +> to wander around the neighborhood with an HT sniffing for cable leakage +> on your freq. after shutting down your system for a while. +> +> If you are fortunate enough to the find the hole, call the cable company and +> get the highest link in the chain of command you can. Explain the problem, +> whose job it really is to maintain THEIR equipment, and how much of a nice +> guy you are to have tracked down THEIR problem for them. +> +> You may have been lucky and made a new contact that could be helpful in the +> future. +> +> You should always try the 'honey' approach before bringing out the +> Jack Nicholson impressions..... >:-) +> +> This has worked for me in the past with the power company when tring to +> find loose/noisy high voltage lines/hardware. Only once did I have to +> tell them I was narrowing the problem down to a specific pole by bumping +> a whole line of poles with my car. Got 'em out there THAT NIGHT. And, they +> didn't have to meet Jack! +> +> As a disclaimer, THEIR method for finding loose hardware was usually +> whacking the poles with a huge sledgehammer after their high tech arc- +> finding 'scope couldn't find the problem. +> +> +> +> Bill +> wb6 rotten zucchini garden + +Here in switzerland, the situation is exactly the same. The cable tv companies +even tried to stop amateur radio in switzerland in the beginning of cable +tv(they seem to be too stupid to know anything about international frequency +conferences or so). Even today, they use the cheapest possible coax running +into problems they can't solve anymore. As Bill noted, the only way is to look +for a solution with the neighbours *BEFORE* calling for the cable tv guys or +the fcc. The chance to find neighbours with some sense for reason is by far +bigger than with these people (especially the first ones). As anywhere in an +administration people don't like, if You tell them to work for the money they +get... +The problem is, that radio amateurs don't have the power to put trough their +rights in all cases. So let's hope they start soon with optical fibers and get +out of our freqencies. + + +Cheers Robert (HB9NBY) +-- +Robert Ganter /------------\ +Universitaet Basel | I am a fan | +Institut fuer Informatik | of my plan | +Basel/Switzerland \------------/ +ganter@ifi.unibas.ch +amateurradio: HB9NBY packet: HB9NBY@HB9EAS.CHE.EU +",12 +8583,"From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) +Subject: Golden & Space ages +X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest +Organization: [via International Space University] +Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU +Distribution: sci +Lines: 17 + +Pat sez; +>Oddly, enough, The smithsonian calls the lindbergh years +>the golden age of flight. I would call it the granite years, +>reflecting the primitive nature of it. It was romantic, +>swashbuckling daredevils, ""those daring young men in their flying +>machines"". But in reality, it sucked. Death was a highly likely +>occurence, and the environment blew. + +Yeah, but a windscreen cut down most of it. Canopies ended it completely. + +Of course, the environment in space continues to suck :-) + +-Tommy Mac +------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\ As the radius of vision increases, +18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows. +------------------------------------------------------------------------- +",14 +5445,"From: pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu +Subject: Re: Phills vs Pirates +Lines: 28 +Nntp-Posting-Host: ulkyvx.louisville.edu +Organization: University of Louisville + +>>>$ mlb -m pit phi +>>> Monday, 5/10 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:35 pm) +>>> Tuesday, 5/11 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:35 pm) +>>> Wednesday, 5/12 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:35 pm) +>>> Friday, 6/25 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm) +>>> Saturday, 6/26 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:05 pm) +>>> Sunday, 6/27 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (11:35 am) +>>> Friday, 7/30 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:35 pm) +>>> Saturday, 7/31 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:05 pm) +>>> Sunday, 8/ 1 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (11:35 am) +>>> Monday, 9/27 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm) +>>> Tuesday, 9/28 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm) +>>> Wednesday, 9/29 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm) +>>> Thursday, 9/30 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm) +>> +>> +>> Are these times correct?? +>> +>> They seem as if they are 2 hrs ahead of the usual tiems +>> for these two teams. +>> +> +> The origin of that first message was Boise, which is on Central time. +> +> P. Tierney + +Whoops! I meant Mountain Time. + P. Tierney +",9 +7608,"From: news&aio.jsc.nasa.gov (USENET News System) +Subject: Re: Oily skin - problem? +Article-I.D.: aio.1993Apr6.133244.14717 +Distribution: sci.med +Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co. +Lines: 17 + +In article <1993Apr5.044140.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu>, u92_hwong@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu writes: +> +> Hi there, +> +> I have a very oily skin. My problem is when I wash my face, it becomes +> oily in half an hour. Especially in the nose region. Is this an illness? How +> can I prevent it from occuring in such short time? Is there a cleanser out +> there that will do a better job -- that is after cleaning, my face won't become +> oily in such a short time. +> +> Thank you for any suggestion. +> +>if this is a disease, everyone should have it. My skin has always been oily - +i used to say ""if i were hot enough, you could fry an egg on my oily face"". +i am now 50 yrs old and my skin looks younger (i'm told) than some people's +skin at 30 (it's still oily). i have only a very few tiny wrinkles. Thank +your lucky stars for that skin. +",13 +400,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) +Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution +Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu +Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] +Lines: 30 + +Robert Singleton (bobs@thnext.mit.edu) wrote: + +: > Sure it isn't mutually exclusive, but it lends weight to (i.e. increases +: > notional running estimates of the posterior probability of) the +: > atheist's pitch in the partition, and thus necessarily reduces the same +: > quantity in the theist's pitch. This is because the `divine component' +: > falls prey to Ockham's Razor, the phenomenon being satisfactorily +: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +: > explained without it, and there being no independent evidence of any +: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +: > such component. More detail in the next post. +: > + +Occam's Razor is not a law of nature, it is way of analyzing an +argument, even so, it interesting how often it's cited here and to +what end. +It seems odd that religion is simultaneously condemned as being +primitive, simple-minded and unscientific, anti-intellectual and +childish, and yet again condemned as being too complex (Occam's +razor), the scientific explanation of things being much more +straightforeward and, apparently, simpler. Which is it to be - which +is the ""non-essential"", and how do you know? +Considering that even scientists don't fully comprehend science due to +its complexity and diversity. Maybe William of Occam has performed a +lobotomy, kept the frontal lobe and thrown everything else away ... + +This is all very confusing, I'm sure one of you will straighten me out +tough. + +Bill +",0 +10979,"Subject: Re: ""Imaginary"" Friends - Info and Experiences +From: patb@bnr.co.uk (Patrick Brosnan) +Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London. +NNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs195.bnr.co.uk +Lines: 21 + +In article <1993Apr2.041929.24320@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kditto@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kimborly Ditto) writes: +> +>Concerniong this thread... +> +>Has anyone ever seen ""Drop Dead Fred"" ?? THis movie seems to tipify the +>""imaginary friend"" theme rather well. I LOVED the movie, as i had an +>imaginary friend when i was a kid and it borught back great memories. +> +>Seriously, if you have a chance, see ""Drop Dead Fred"". It'll make ya +>think. especially the end. +> +>Blessings! +>--Kim +> + + +-- +Patrick Brosnan. || ...!mcsun!ukc!stc!patb +Northern Telecomm, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. +Phone : +44 81 945 2135 or +44 81 945 4000 x2135 +""Oh, Flash, I love you - but we've only got 14 hours to save the universe."" +",19 +1540,"From: bsmith@access.digex.com (Barry Smith) +Subject: Program Manager kills my Group files! +Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA +Lines: 3 +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net + +Any clue? Some times when I enter Win 3.1 ProgMan says that I need to rebuild +a group! It's quite annoying! + +",2 +4031,"From: gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) +Subject: Re: Are BMW's worth the price? +Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory +Lines: 18 + +>sure sounds like they got a ringer. the 325is i drove was definitely +>faster than that. if you want to quote numbers, my AW AutoFile shows +>0-60 in 7.4, 1/4 mile in 15.9. it quotes Car and Driver's figures +>of 6.9 and 15.3. oh, BTW, these numbers are for the 325i. + +Car and Driver rated the 325is (1988) at 7.2 0-60 , 1/4 at 15.2 (after 30k miles) last time I checked 8#}. + +Automobile magazine rated new 325is 1/4 mile@16.2. + +Gee , aint quotiin funner than the dickens! + +Sounds like we need a race. I'll let you have the newer version. Can someone out there lend me a 1988 325is for a day 8-]. I wont hurt it, I promise. + +>i don't know how the addition of variable valve timing for 1993 affects it. +>but don't take my word for it. go drive it. + +Actually I will take your word on it. I refuse to test it (new 325is) because +I love BMW's and would probably want to buy it. Problem is, my income just doesn't support that. +",7 +8803,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) +Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? +Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens +Lines: 14 + +The two historic facts that I think the most important are these: + +(1) If Jesus didn't rise from the dead, then he must have done something +else equally impressive, in order to create the observed amount of impact. + +(2) Nobody ever displayed the dead body of Jesus, even though both the +Jewish and the Roman authorities would have gained a lot by doing so +(it would have discredited the Christians). + +-- +:- Michael A. Covington internet mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ***** +:- Artificial Intelligence Programs phone 706 542-0358 : ********* +:- The University of Georgia fax 706 542-0349 : * * * +:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< +",15 +6862,"From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) +Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. +Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma +Distribution: na +Lines: 26 + +In article Graham Toal writes: +>In article <2073@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: +>:If the Clinton Clipper is so very good, why not make its algrithm public +>:so many people can exchange ideas and examine it, rather than a few +>:isolated 'respected experts' (respected by whom? for what? Perhaps a + +One more time... + + If they released the algorithm, it would be possible for someone + to come up with an implementation which was identical, but + lacking an escrowed key. + + Note that the press announcement mentioned that the algorithm was + being kept secret for security of the key escrow system. In this + case security means ""an escrowed key for EVERY clipper chip"". + + + Assuming you believed all that is said about the effective of + the algorithm, and the escrow system, which would you buy : + + (a) Chip from firm A with the escrowed key + (b) Second source chip from reputable firm B with no key + in government escrow. + + There would obviously be powerful economic incentives for a second + source, non escrowed, vendor. +",11 +6584,"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) +Subject: are we being hysterical? No! +In-Reply-To: amolitor@nmsu.edu's message of 17 Apr 1993 17:54:23 GMT +Reply-To: pmetzger@lehman.com +Organization: Lehman Brothers + <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> +Distribution: na +Lines: 80 + + +In article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: + +>In article +> tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: +>> +>>But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much +>>worse, of course, if the government then uses this ""Clinton Clipper"" +>>to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main +>>concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.) +>> + +> Not to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this +>kind of the domino theory? + +As John Gilmore has pointed out repeatedly, if you produce the +infrastructure that would permit a police state to function, all that +is required to suddenly find yourself living in one is a change of +attitude on the part of the government. + +Our constitution was built by men who had to risk their lives to +ensure freedom in our country. They designed the system to make it +difficult for tyranny to arise. For instance, one of the reasons the +fourth amendment was put there was to make it harder for the +government to try to make smuggling a crime. Think I jest? John +Hancock made all his money smuggling rum, which is, after all, a drug. + +Think about it. The government has everyones keys in escrow, and the +FBI gets their pet ""wiretap without leaving the office"" scheme. There +is a coup, which happens every day all around the world. Within hours, +everyone in the country who might oppose the tyrants is being +monitored more closely than ever before possible. + +Without the tools being in place, a tyranny cannot stand. With tools +like this in place, a tyrannical dictatorship could actually be +successfully imposed. + +Why give the government tools with which to enslave you? Maybe you can +trust Bill Clinton, but are you willing to tell me that you can trust +EVERY government that will ever arise in the U.S. hereafter? I am not +willing to make that leap of faith. + +>>-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime +> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +> Isn't this just a little melodramatic? + +I'm a political dissident. As such, I am acutely aware of what happens +to political dissidents in most of the world. In most of the world, I +could be killed for my beliefs. Call Amnesty International some time +to find out what happens to dissidents in most of the world. + +All that seperates the U.S. from most of those places is a thin piece +of parchment in the National Archives thats being constantly more and +more eroded by such farces as the war on drugs. Coups have happened in +countries that have had stable democracies for over a hundred years. +Governments throughout history have fallen. No government has lasted +for more than a few hundred years. Often, they are replaced by +dictatorships. Do you really believe so intensely that it could never +ever ever happen here that you are willing to bet your own life and +the lives of your children and other loved ones on it? + +If we construct the tools with which tyranny could be enforced, we +make it orders of magnitude more likely that it could happen, because +if it happened with the tools already in place it could actually +stick. + +Naive fools such as our leadership believe they can protect us where +hundreds that have gone before have failed. Thriving democracies led +by men far more skillfull than Bill Clinton have fallen to +dictatorship. Rome had a thriving republic run by exquisitely skilled +men before they became a tyranny. + +I, for one, am unwilling to trust that it could never happen here. +Only hubris would allow us to believe we are immune to what has +happened elsewhere. + +-- +Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com +-- +Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. +",11 +6462,"From: m.t.palmer@larc.nasa.gov (Michael T. Palmer) +Subject: re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption +Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA +Lines: 56 +NNTP-Posting-Host: oldtown.larc.nasa.gov + + +In article clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes: + +>Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on +> a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation... [etc] + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\ + Great... nice choice of bad guys to + convince everyone how ""bad"" unrestricted + encryption is. Why not use a child + molester instead? Of course, the word + *suspect* is never used here, so I guess + these people have already been convicted + and are operating this drug ring from + their jail cells. + +How about *this* question instead? + +Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on + a political opponent of a senior administration official and + intercepts a conversation... + +Kinda changes your interpretation of the event, doesn't it? And yes, +the presence of the Clipper Chip DOES change things, because it will +not only give the people talking on the phone a false sense of security, +it will also give federal law enforcement agencies the justification +to deny use of strong encryption methods that are inconvenient to them. +Dang it all, it's SUPPOSED to be inconvenient (but not impossible). +That's the ONLY sure way to make sure that abuses are minimized while +still allowing legitimate law enforcement access. + + +>Q: How strong is the security in the device? How can I be sure +> how strong the security is? +> +>A: This system is more secure than many other voice encryption +> systems readily available today. While the algorithm will +> remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow +> system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of +> cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all +> potential users that there are no unrecognized +> vulnerabilities. + +Uh huh... sure. I predict that within two months (weeks?) of the chip's +debut, the full technical details will be posted to sci.crypt. And if +this has ANY impact on the security of the key escrow system, then we've +been lied to. Any cryptosystem worth its salt can withstand the light +of public scrutiny, and there is NO WAY you can be sure that an +algorithm has no ""unrecognized vulnerabilities"" unless you have half +the world trying to break it for a decade or so. Even then, you gotta +be careful. + + +Michael T. Palmer | ""A man is crazy who writes a secret in any +m.t.palmer@larc.nasa.gov | other way than one which will conceal it +RIPEM key on server | from the vulgar."" - Roger Bacon, 1220-1292 + +",11 +5123,"From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) +Subject: Insurance and lotsa points... +Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. +Lines: 15 +Nntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu + +Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance. + +I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec. +vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year. + +Now what do I do? + +(I could probably just sell the bike and return my DoD number,... +) + +-- +Andy Infante | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains | +'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself. | +DoD #2426 | -- Joan Sutherland | +==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!! | +",8 +6325,"From: smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris ) +Subject: Re: Blackhawks win!!! +Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center +Lines: 19 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.lerc.nasa.gov +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +In <1993Apr16.140953.5025@vax.cns..edu>, jbrown@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes... +>The Hawks win!! Jermey Roenick scored his 50 th goal and the Hawks put the +>Leafs in their place, the losers column. If the Leafs can not even beat the +>Hawks in a match that had little or no meaning I will hate to see them against +>the Wings. +> +>Oh btw I laugh at rm, that jerky!!! + +I would appreciate it if you would not refer to Mr. Maynard by his +initials. Thanks, see you in the Norris finals. + +Ron + +********** +""And one of my major goals is to leave the next president a new set +of things to worry about. I'm getting bored reading the same problems +in the paper, decade after decade. I want people to have to deal +with new problems."" + ... President Bill Clinton 2-4-93 +",10 +3251,"From: tomk@skywalker.bocaraton.ibm.com (Thomas Chun-Hong Kok) +Subject: Re: Hypercard for UNIX +Organization: IBM Austin +Lines: 18 + +In article <1993Apr23.114028.17633@bernina.ethz.ch>, queloz@bernina.ethz.ch (Ronald Queloz) writes: +> Hi netlanders, +> +> Does anybody know if there is something like Macintosh Hypercard for any UNIX +> platform? +> +> +> Thanks in advance +> +> +> Ron. + +-- + +Try MetaCard - a HyperCard-like programming environment on X. + + +Chun Hong +",5 +698,"From: orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke) +Subject: Re: Fast polygon routine needed +Keywords: polygon, needed +Organization: Smith College, Northampton, MA, US +Lines: 5 + +In article osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski) writes: +>This may be a fairly routine request on here, but I'm looking for a fast +>polygon routine to be used in a 3D game. + + A fast polygon routine to do WHAT? +",1 +10919,"From: cosc0000@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (Riyadh Al-hajmoosa) +Subject: Re: How many homosexuals are there? +Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services +Lines: 16 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: ucssun1.sdsu.edu + +kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: +> Perhaps 1%, but most likely not more than 2%. A new study +> (discrediting Kinsey) says so. +> -- +> The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis +> my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu +> believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis +> as this would hold such views??? | + + My understanding from my psycology classes is that the percentage is + more like 10-12% world wide. I would really like to know your source + for the 1-2% figure. + + Riyadh Moosa. + SDSU-Chemistry. + cosc0000@ucssun1.sdsu.edu +",18 +9193,"From: lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) +Subject: Christian's need for Christianity (was ...) +Organization: California Institute of Technology +Lines: 26 + +In article I have a 386/33 with 8 megs of memory + +>I have noticed that lately when I use programs like WpfW or Corel Draw +>my computer ""boggs"" down and becomes really sluggish! + +>What can I do to increase performance? What should I turn on or off + +>Will not loading wallpapers or stuff like that help when it comes to +>the running speed of windows and the programs that run under it? + +>Thanx in advance + +>Derek + +1) make sure your hard drive is defragmented. This will speed up more than + just windows BTW. Use something like Norton's or PC Tools. +2) I _think_ that leaving the wall paper out will use less RAM and therefore + will speed up your machine but I could very will be wrong on this. +There's a good chance you've already done this but if not it may speed things +up. good luck + Morgan Bullard mb4008@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu + or mjbb@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu + +>-- +>$_ /|$Derek J.P. Serianni $ E-Mail : djserian@flash.lakeheadu.ca $ +>$\'o.O' $Sociologist $ It's 106 miles to Chicago,we've got a full tank$ +>$=(___)=$Lakehead University $ of gas, half a pack of cigarettes,it's dark,and$ +>$ U $Thunder Bay, Ontario$ we're wearing sunglasses. -Elwood Blues $ +",2 +1268,"From: kmembry@viamar.UUCP (Kirk Membry) +Subject: Pixel font +Reply-To: rutgers!viamar!kmembry +Organization: Private System +Lines: 9 + +I'm looking for a font that looks like pixels off of a monitor +(not the lcd kind of font though) +does anyone know where I can get one? + +-- +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +Kirk Membry ""Our Age is the Age of Industry"" +rutgers!viamar!kmembry - Alexander Rodchenko +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- +",2 +1839,"From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) +Subject: EISA tape controllers +Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL +Lines: 11 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com + +Is there a QIC-80 format tape drive that comes +with an EISA controller ? +Colorado's 250 only has ISA and MCA controllers. + +Thanks. e-mail please. + +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' +marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com | +The Lost Los Angelino | +",3 +3642,"From: clf3678@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.L. Freemesser) +Subject: *** TurboGrafx-16 system for sale *** +Distribution: na +Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology +Lines: 24 +Nntp-Posting-Host: ultb-gw.isc.rit.edu + +For sale: + +NEC TurboGrafx-16 video game system. Package includes: + +* Base unit: with power supply, TV hookups, controller, and the games + ""Keith Courage in Alpha Zones"" and ""Ordyne"". +* One extra controller +* TurboTap: let's you hook up as many as 5 controllers to the TG16. +* All original packaging, manuals, etc. for the above items. +* The games TV Sports Football, Alien Crush, Splatterhouse, and + Takin' it to the Hoop. + +Current market price for the above system is approximately $130. +Asking price is $75. System was purchased in January of this year, and +has seen little use since then. If interested, contact me via one of +the methods in my signature file! + + + //===================================================================\\ + || Chris Freemesser, RIT CpET (( Visit Rochester, New York: || + ||""Where money is the #1 prioRITy"" )) Home of the world's largest || + || Usenet: clf3678@ultb.rit.edu (( collection of potholes! || + || GEnie: C.FREEMESSER )) || + \\===================================================================// +",6 +5519,"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing +From: +Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? + <1qkkodINN5f5@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> +Lines: 10 + +In article , Eastgate@world.std.com (Mark Bernstein) +says: +> +>(Which reminds me: do they still serve Kosher hot dogs at the new Comiskey?) +> + +yup. with onions, of all things. + +bob vesterman. + +",9 +10742,"From: gmw0622@venus.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) +Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) +Organization: GrinchCo +Lines: 73 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.tamu.edu +Summary: Feasibility considered +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +In article <1993Apr18.174237.11229@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes... +> +:I'm not sure why you don't consider it an option. No one suggests that +:such analysis should be left to ""regulators."" In fact, the ""re-inventing +:government"" movement provides just such a cost/benefit approach to the +:analysis of public spending. Libertarians would do well to learn more +:about it. + + + +Okay, let me try to explain this. + +When one votes for such a creature as a Senator or, worse yet, a President, +one votes not for specific policies but for a general package which must cover +all issues for 4 or 6 years. As such, one's influence is highly diluted. +I might add that, even if one were free to vote on individual regulations, +the vast amount of time required for considering a particular regulation, +combined with the very small chance of one's vote making a difference, would +make it unreasonable to expect the voter to make an intelligent decision +with respect to specific regulations. +> +> +:Sorry, but it strikes me that it is the only ""feasible"" approach. What is +:not feasible is a wholesale attack on all government regulation and +:licensing that treats cutting hair and practicing medicine as equivalent +:tasks. + +I'm not sure what you mean by ""feasible"" in this case. Do you mean that +[] are impossible in priciple, or merely that it would be undesirable in +fact? + + +:Actually, the only areas of public spending above that strike me as +:generating substantial support among libertarians are police and defense. + +2 of the four you saw fit to mention, and education of minors is always +another possibility, since minors are generally considered not to be +responsible to make their own decisions as adults are. + +:(It is an interesting aside that as committed as libertarians claim to +:be to a principle of non-coercion, the only areas of public spending +:that they frequently support involve hiring people with guns....hmmm...) + +You say this as if it were surprising, yet in fact a necessary consequence +of libertarian philosophy. All non-coersive functions should be dealt +with privately, therefore it follows that the only functions remaining to +the state are the coersive ones. + +> +:Perhaps you have. May I suggest that you consider that revolutionaries +:frequently generate support by acting as protectors of ""geezers,"" +:mothers and children. Governments that ignore such people on the grounds +:that ""we don't have much to fear"" from them do so at their own peril. + +Much more likely it's drunken teenagers. The groups in questionare more +likely +to be worse off during and after a revolution than before. In the unlikely +event that you missed my earlier sarcasm, let me say this directly: +The idea that such programs as Social Security or AFDC should be considered +""defense"" (an idea which has been advanced in ths and other newsgroups) is +so absurd a lie as to be unworthy of consideration. Do you seriously +dispute this? + + + I don't want to seem patronizing, but you still seem to be laboring +under the delusion that under a socialized economic system it is reasonably +intelligent and honest persons (like yourself) who make the decisions. +I feel any third party added to a transaction is every bit as likely to be +ignorant or corrupt as the buyer or seller. I don't expect you to agree +with me, but you explain why you feel I'm wrong? + + +Mr. Grinch +",18 +8333,"From: drunen@nucleus.ps.uci.edu (Eric Van Drunen) +Subject: Re: Big amateur rockets +Nntp-Posting-Host: nucleus.ps.uci.edu +Organization: University of California, Irvine +Lines: 30 + +Actually, they are legal! I not familiar with the ad you are speaking of +but knowing Popular Science it is probably on the fringe. However, you +may be speaking of ""Public Missle, Inc."", which is a legitimate company +that has been around for a while. + +Due to advances in composite fuels, engines are now available for model +rockets using similar composites to SRB fuel, roughly 3 times more +powerful than black powder motors. They are even available in a reloadable +form, i.e. aluminum casing, end casings, o-rings (!). The engines range +from D all the way to M in common manufacture, N and O I've heard of +used at special occasions. + +To be a model rocket, however, the rocket can't contain any metal +structural parts, amongst other requirements. I've never heard of a +model rocket doing 50,000. I have heard of > 20,000 foot flights. +These require FAA waivers (of course!). There are a few large national +launches (LDRS, FireBALLS), at which you can see many > K sized engine +flights. Actually, using a > G engine constitutes the area of ""High +Power Rocketry"", which is seperate from normal model rocketry. Purchase +of engines like I have been describing require membership in the National +Association of Rocketry, the Tripoli Rocketry Assoc., or you have to +be part of an educational institute or company involved in rocketry. + +Amatuer rocketry is another area. I'm not really familiar with this, +but it is an area where metal parts are allowed, along with liquid fuels +and what not. I don't know what kind of regulations are involved, but +I'm sure they are numerous. + +High power rocketry is very exciting! If you are interested or have +more questions, there is a newsgroup rec.model.rockets. +",14 +4655,"From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) +Subject: Re: Twit Bicyclists (was RE: Oh JOY!) +Organization: AT&T +Distribution: na +Lines: 20 + +In article <1993Apr2.045903.6066@spectrum.xerox.com> cooley@xerox.com writes: +>Yo, ASSHOLES. I hope you are all just kidding +>because it's exactly that kind of attidue that gets +>many a MOTORcyclist killed: ""Look at the leather +>clad poseurs! Watch how they swirve and +>swear as I pretend that they don't exist while +>I change lanes."" +> +>If you really find it necesary to wreck others +>enjoyment of the road to boost your ego, then +>it is truely you who are the poseur. +> +>--aaron + +Disgruntled Volvo drivers. What are they rebelling against? + +================================================================================ + Steatopygias's 'R' Us. doh#0000000005 That ain't no Hottentot. + Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. AMA#669373 DoD#564. There ain't no more. +================================================================================ +",8 +9181,"From: ata@hfsi.hfsi.com ( John Ata) +Subject: Re: -= Hell =- +Reply-To: +Organization: HFSI +Lines: 19 + +In article dmn@kepler.unh.edu (There's a seeker born every minute.) writes: + +> That would depend on what Heaven is like. If God is a King, and +>an eternity in heaven consists of giving thanks and praise to the King, +>I might opt for Hell. I read a lovely account of a missionary trying to + +But then, on the other hand, if you really loved that King more +than you did yourself, and He loved you to the point of assuring +you that the eternal time spent with him would be eternal ecstasy, +would you really opt for that choice? + +> Dana + + +-- +John G. Ata - Technical Consultant | Internet: ata@hfsi.com +HFS, Inc. VA20 | UUCP: uunet!hfsi!ata +7900 Westpark Drive MS:601 | Voice: (703) 827-6810 +McLean, VA 22102 | FAX: (703) 827-3729 +",15 +5736,"From: bdunn@cco.caltech.edu (Brendan Dunn) +Subject: Re: Defensive Averages 1988-1992, Third Base +Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena +Lines: 34 +NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu + +In article craigs@srgenprp.sr.hp.com (Craig Stelter) writes: +>Gaetti, Gary .616 .638 .655 .632 ---- 0.637 +> +>Apologies if I don't know what I'm talking about :-), but as a Twins fan, +>I like to think they have good players in any park. Not sure if I remember +>completely or not, but I think Gaetti played with the Twins in '87 for the +>world series, and again in '88 (note that's his lowest of the 4). I believe +>the next 3 (or at least the last two) were played with the Angels. Lots +>of factors make a player excell... I hate it when so many use the dome. +>It may not be ideal, but nice to comfortably enjoy baseball and football +>even when it's snowing and raining. +> +>-Craig +> +>I'm sure the company for which I work does not have all the same opinions +>that I do... + + The event that had the most impact on Gaetti's career was his leg injury +in 1988. His performance dropped radically from 1988 to 1989. He was +still with the Twins in 1989 and 1990, but if you look at his stats (both +offensive and defensive), he never has come back to his pre-injury level. + +Brendan + + + + + + + + + + + +",9 +10736,"From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) +Subject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE +Nntp-Posting-Host: dhostwo.convex.com +Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA +X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer + Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and + not necessarily those of CONVEX. +Lines: 46 + + +Dave Borden (borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu) wrote: +: The Selective Service Registration should be abolished. To start with, the +: draft is immoral. Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now, +: and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior +: with a volunteer army than with draftees. Finally, the government has us +: on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and +: Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to. +: Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time. +: Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit. + + More ""gridlock"" talk from another relic of the past. The +Selective Service system creates jobs and is an investment in +the future of america......and whats wrong with that? + + We need jobs because at this point in the recovery, the economy +should have generated 10 billion jobs and since it has not, the +government has to step in and help. Shutting down selective service +would cost ""good jobs"" and we can't do that. + + What we really need is to involve selective service in a more +closely directed manner. We need the selective service involved +in environmental protection, high-speed rail, commuter aircraft, +civil rights, national service and health care. Every dollar +we put into selective service now will get us $10 less spending +in future. + + I really believe now to think about it that selective service +is long-past due for the creation of a cabinet position. + + + Your not beyond hope, just get back on america's side and +start doing your part for change. What Bill needs from you +now is support for the economic stimulus and health care reform. +You need to devote all your energies to fighting gridlock and +supporting change. Get on the team. After all, the evil has +been banished from washington and the time for complaint +is past being neccessary. + + And remember, Bill Clinton cares. He may someday even have +a town meeting in your city. If your an appropriate sort of +person, if you phrase your questions properly and show the +proper respect and awe, you might have the chance to ask Mr, +President your question in person. + + +",18 +8069,"From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) +Subject: Re: Acutane, Fibromyalgia Syndrome and CFS +Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire +Lines: 37 + +[reply to Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com (Daniel Prince] + +>There is a person on the FIDO CFS echo who claims that he was cured of +>CFS by taking accutane. He also claims that you are using it in the +>treatment of Fibromyalgia Syndrome. Are you using accutane in the +>treatment of Fibromyalgia Syndrome? + +Yes. + +>Have you used it for CFS? + +It seems to work equally well for CFS, another hint that these may be +different facets of the same underlying process. + +>Have you gotten good results with it? + +Yes. The benefit is usually evident within a few days of starting it. +Most of the patients for whom it has worked well continued low-dose +amitriptyline, daily aerobic excersise, and a regular sleep schedule +(current standard therapy). Because of the cost (usually > $150/mo., +depending on dose) and potential for significant side effects like +corneal injury and birth defects, I currently reserve it for those who +fail conventional treatment. It is important that the person +prescribing it have some experience with it and follow the patient +closely. + +>Are you aware of any double blind studies on the use of accutane in +>these conditions? Thank you in advance for all replies. + +As far as I know, I am the only person looking at it currently. I +should get off my duff and finish writing up some case reports. I'm not +an academic physician, so I don't feel the pressure to publish or perish +and I don't have the time during the work day for such things. + +David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI +This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher +must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell +",13 +5166,"From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) +Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???! +Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA +Lines: 17 + +In article <1993Apr14.200933.15362@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (james.bessette) writes: +>In article <6130328@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes: +>>ps. I also heard from a dog breeder that the chains of bicycles and +>>motorcycles produced high frequency squeaks that dogs loved to chase. +> +>Ask the breeder why they also chase BMWs also. + + +Squeaky BMW riders. + + + +-- +Ray Shea ""they wound like a very effective method."" +UniSQL, Inc. --Leah +unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu some days i miss d. boon real bad. +DoD #0372 : Team Twinkie : '88 Hawk GT +",8 +2710,"From: sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu +Subject: Re: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's? +Organization: University of Houston +Lines: 22 +Reply-To: ln63sdm@sdcc4.ucsd.edu +NNTP-Posting-Host: franklin.bchs.uh.edu + +In article <1993Apr19.164734.24779@newsgate.sps.mot.com> +rjacks@austlcm.sps.mot.com (rodney jacks) writes: +> I would really like to get one of the new CD300i CDROM +> drives for my c650, but my local Apple doesn't know +> when they will be available. He doesn't even have a part +> number yet. Does anyone know what the part number +> for this drive is and when it will be available? +> +> My Apple dealer suggested I buy one of the CD300 external +> drives, but I don't want to pay extra for a case/power supply +> I'm not going to use. +> +> -Rodney Jacks +> (rjacks@austlcm.sps.mot.com) + +The CD300 (external) is already shipping and has been shipping for quite awhile +now. Demand for the units are high, so they are pretty rare. I've seen them +listed for around $525-550 at local computer stores and the campus Mac +reseller. I've also heard rumors that they are bundled with a couple of CD's, +but I can't confirm it. + +Sunny ===>sunnyt@dna.bchs.uh.edu +",4 +1958,"From: al885@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerard Pinzone) +Subject: CD SPEEDWAY - any good? +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 12 +Reply-To: al885@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerard Pinzone) +NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu + + +Anybody use CD Speedway out there? Is it as good as they say? I hate +waiting around for my CD to finish loading the next level in WC and the +such. + +How much memory does it eat up? + +-- + _______ ________ ________ ""Small nose, loose girls, no nipples, (.|.) + / ___/ / _____/ / __ / Iczer curls!"" -=- Gerard Pinzone ).( + / ___/ / /____ / __ / gpinzone@tasha.poly.edu ( v ) +/______/ /_______/ /__/ /__/ Join the ECA Wehrmacht! Kill CM! \|/ +",3 +1487,"From: rmehta@paul.rutgers.edu (Rahul Mehta) +Subject: Info on Books on BIOS, 286 etc. +Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. +Lines: 18 + + + +Hi Everybody, + + I am interested in the following topics. + +1)BIOS programming on 286 and 386. +2)Memory management in 286 and 386. +3)Developing Visual Basic Custom Controls. + + I would like to have your valuable opinion on the books +that are best in the above topics. Please send a mail to +rmehta@paul.rutgers.edu . I will post a summary of the +suggestions. + + 2**32-1 thanks in advance. + +-Rahul Mehta +",2 +5489,"From: k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully) +Subject: Montreal Question....... +Reply-To: k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully) +Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H. +Lines: 9 + + What position does Mike Lansing play? I cannot seem to find it + anywhere. Thanks!!!!1 + + K--> +-- +--- +Keith J. Mullins (o o) +P.S.C -----------oOO--(_)--OOo----------- INTERNET: +Plymouth, NH | ""It takes a big man to cry, but | k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu +",9 +11231,"From: kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen) +Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) +Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4 +Lines: 11 + +xcpslf@oryx.com (stephen l favor) writes: +: : Seems to me Koresh is yet another messenger that got killed +: : for the message he carried. (Which says nothing about the +: : character of the messenger.) I reckon we'll have to find out +: : the rest the hard way. +: : +: +: Koresh was killed because he wanted lots of illegal guns. + +I haven't heard of ANY illegal guns being found. He was accused +of not paying taxes on LEGAL guns. +",19 +7845,"From: steveo@world.std.com (Steven W Orr) +Subject: Need to find information about current trends in diabetes. +Organization: SysLang, Inc. +Lines: 15 + + +I looked for diab in my .newsrc and came up with nuthin. Anyone have +any good sources for where I can read? In particular, I'm interested +in finding out more about intravenous insulin injection for hepatic +vein liver activation. (Whew! Wotta mouthful!) + +Anything that smells like a pointer would be helpful: newsgroup, +mailinglist, etc.... + +Many thanks. + +-- +----------Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like bananas.------------------ +Steven W. Orr steveo@world.std.com uunet!world!steveo +----------Everybody repeat after me: ""We are all individuals.""----------------- +",13 +4206,"From: markm@latium. (Mark Monninger) +Subject: Bimmer vs Beamer +Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.250.10.8 +Reply-To: markm@latium (Mark Monninger) +Organization: Motorola SPS, Tempe, AZ +Distribution: usa +Lines: 8 + +Although not in direct response to the referenced article, just to set the +record straight, Beamers are BMW motorcycles. BMW cars are Bimmers. Please, +let's get our terms straight. + +Actually, some purists would argue that the only true Bimmer is a round +tail light 2002 or 1600. + +Mark +",7 +3833,"From: ssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi) +Subject: >>> Technical Books for sale (X/UNIX/C/C++/OS/DB/Netwk...) REPOST <<< +Organization: NCSU Computing Center +Distribution: usa +Lines: 29 + + My friends and I have a buch of books for sale. They are not + being used due to change of job, loss of interest etc. + + Rather than letting them gather dust, we would like to pass them + on to others who may use them (of course at a price :-) + + Topics Include: + - C/C++/Other Programming Languages + - UNIX/DOS/OS2/Windows/Other Operating System topics (General) + - X/Motif/OLIT/Xwin + - Networking and Digital Signal Processing + - Computer Graphics + - Microprocessors and Computer Architecture + - Math + - Software Engineering/Algorithms/Software Testing + - Databases + - Expert Systems + + The list is long and rather than posting it here I will email + it by request. I am going to keep the list updated and so will + respond to all requests (lucky me :-) + + If you are interested drop me a line + + ====== S. Alavi [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu] (919)467-7909 (H) ======== + + + + +",6 +7230,"From: whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore) +Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? +Article-I.D.: shelley.1qngqlINNnp8 +Organization: University of Washington, Seattle +Lines: 25 +NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu + +In article johne@vcd.hp.com (John Eaton) writes: +>-s87271077-s.walker-man-50- (swalker@uts.EDU.AU) wrote: + +>During the nuclear fission reaction the uranium fuel can get hot enough +>to melt. When this happens the liquid uranium is pumped to the cooling +>tower where it is sprayed into the air. + + Nonsense. First, the uranium fuel is sealed in zirconium +alloy cylinders (which don't melt in any circumstances short of +major failure of the power plant). Second, the primary water +(that circulates inside the reactor core) is never pumped into the +cooling tower (it's the SECONDARY water cycle that goes +through the cooling tower). Third, liquid uranium would burst +into flame on contact with air. + +>Contact with the cool outside air +>will condense the mist and it will fall back to the cooling tower floor. +>There it is collected by a cleaning crew using shop vacs and is then +>reformed into pellets for reactor use the next day. + + Cleaning crew working in a mist of uranium? This is a +toxic heavy metal, even if it WEREN'T radioactive. Shouldn't there +be some smileys here? Or frowneys? + + John Whitmore +",12 +4421,"From: markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger) +Subject: Re: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam... +Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.250.10.7 +Reply-To: rapw20@email.sps.mot.com +Organization: SPS +Distribution: usa +Lines: 28 + +In article <1993Apr15.234508.20032@slcs.slb.com> +dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes: +> ...(relates an experience similar to mine) ... +> Then comes the part I wish I could have videotaped. As we go out +> the front door, the sales manager SHOUTS across the entire showroom, +> customers and all, ""Go ahead! You DESERVE to buy a Nissan!"" +> So my friend bought a Sentra. +> ... + +This kind of behavior is what I was shocked by in my 'experience'. For +crying out loud, how do these turkeys think they can talk to customers +this way and still stay in business? Again, I don't expect sales people to +bow, scrape, and grovel in my presence but I sure don't expect to be +abused either. I was very surprised by the way the sales people talked to +me and in other 'negotiating' sessions I overheard in neighboring sales +cubicles. Evidently, their success rate is high enough that they continue +to do business this way. There must be a lot of people out there who are +easy to intimidate. + +On the other hand, I'm not sure about the 'one price, no haggling' +approach that Saturn and other are starting to use. I guess if their fixed +price is fair it's OK. Maybe the best approach is to do your homework +before you go in. Find out the invoice prices of the car, add a reasonable +profit for the dealer ($200-$300??), offer them that price and stick to +it. If they get abusive, just leave. Then, don't let them try to screw you +after the deal is agreed on. + +Mark +",7 +5408,"From: jerry@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com (Gerald Lanza) +Subject: Re: '61 Orioles Trivia +Organization: Olivetti North America (Shelton, CT) +Lines: 20 + +In article <1993Apr14.190432.1706@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen) writes: +>In article <1993Apr13.151809.1286@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, sparky@balsa.lle.rochester.edu (Michael Mueller) writes: +>|> Hi All, +>|> +>|> Does anyone know who were the 4 pitchers for the 1961 Orioles +>|> that were referred to as the ""Kiddy Corp"" because they were so young? +> +>Steve Barber 22 18-12 +>Chuck Estrada 23 15-9 +>Jack Fisher 22 10-13 +>Milt Pappas 22 13-9 +> + + This list brings to mind possible the worst trade since Babe for + NONO NANNETTE, i.e., Milt Pappas for Frank Robinson, I think in + 1965 ?. Robinson proceeded to win the triple crown in 1966 and + may have beaten out Yaz in '67 but was injured on a slide into + second when he collided with the mighty Al Weis (Chisox). + + jerry +",9 +11117,"From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) +Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 +Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco +Lines: 33 + +brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes: +> +>Be warned, it is not my job to convert you. That is the job of +>the Holy Spirit. And I, frankly, make a lousy one. I am only +>here to testify. Your conversion is between you and God. I am +>""out of the loop"". If you decide to follow Jesus, of which I +>indeed would be estatic, then all the glory be to God. + +I've asked your god several times with all my heart to come to me. I +really wish I could believe in him, 'cos no matter how much confidence +I build up on my own, the universe *is* a big place, and it would be +so nice to know I have someone watching over me in it... + +I've gone into this with an open mind. I've layed my beliefs aside +from time to time when I've had doubt, and I've prayed to see what +good that would do. I don't see what more I can do to open myself to +your god, short of just deciding to believe for no good reason. And +if I decide to believe for no good reason, why not believe in some +other god? Zeus seems like a pretty cool candidate... + +All I know is that in all my searching, even though I've set aside my +pride and decided that I want to know the truth no matter how +difficult it may be to accept, I have never had any encounter with any +deity, Christian or otherwise. + +Please tell me what more I can do while still remaining true to myself. + +-- +_/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun +/_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire +_/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent. + / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre. + / is that it ends. -- Rousseau +",19 +9974,"From: mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu) +Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) +Article-I.D.: vein.MUCIT.93Apr15173530 + <1993Apr14.064421.27655@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> + <93104.141046FINAID5@auvm.american.edu> + <1993Apr14.211615@IASTATE.EDU> + <1993Apr15.092101@IASTATE.EDU> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes: +[stuff deleted] +>>I am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only +>>not one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering. +>>It is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise. +>>I remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the +>>visa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it +>>was a positive attempt to make the relations better. +> +> I thought it was a smart move to receive more money from Greek tourists. +> I bet that this week there should be about 200,000 tourists from Greece +> in Turkey. Each one will leave at least $1,000 so go and figure what this +> means to your economy. If you had kept the visa requirement, how many +> Greeks would bother to visit Turkey? + +Smart indeed. If what you're saying is true, Greeks who visit are happy, +the Turkish merchants are happy; who is harmed? No one. So not only was +it a smart move, it was also a good move for it adds to the happiness of +200.000 Greeks per week and however many Turkish merchants they interact with. +One simple move in the paperwork arena -> lotsa happy people of both +nationalities. Just and observation. + +cheers, + +BM + +[stuff deleted] +",17 +7488,"From: v064mb9k@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NEIL B. GANDLER) +Subject: Radio Electronics Free information card +Organization: University at Buffalo +Lines: 8 +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 +Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu + + + How does the radio Electronics free information cards work. +Do they just send you some general information about the companies that +advertise in their magazine or does it also give you sign you up for a +catalog. + + + Neil Gandler +",12 +9426,"Subject: Re: Nazi memoribilia +From: cmay@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Christopher C May) +Organization: University of Arizona - Tucson, Arizona +Lines: 34 + +In <1993Apr2.232511.10711@raid.dell.com> mikepb@lupus.dell.com (Michael P. Brininstool) writes: + +>Swatikas were also common in American Indian markings/painted walls etc. Is +>it the Swastika that is bad? + +Just want to back this up with a personal anecdote. My grandparents +have a Navajo rug made in the 1920's, which they received in trade +from the weaver while living in Flagstaff, Arizona. The decorative motif +consists of 4 large black swastikas, one in each corner. What's more, the +color scheme is black, white, and red. To the casual glance it would +undoubtedly appear to be a Nazi relic of some kind. Yet they owned it +ten years before Hitler and the National Socialists came to power. + +As I recall, they took it down in the 30's, and didn't feel quite right +about putting it back up until the 60's. It still draws comments from +those who don't know what it is. + +--ccm + +-- +Christopher C. May * U. of Ariz. Coll. of Medicine '93 * cmay@ccit.arizona.edu ++=============================================================================+ +| Do your part for Liberty: Teach your children to hate Big Government. | ++-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| Do you care about freedom? Dreams may have inspired it, and wishes promoted | +| it, but only war and weapons have made it yours. -- Robert Ardrey | +| Armaque in armatos sumere jura sinunt. -- Ovid | +| The wise man's understanding inclineth him toward his right hand, but a | +| fool's heart turneth him to the left. -- Ecclesiastes 10:2 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +-- +Christopher C. May * U. of Ariz. Coll. of Medicine '93 * cmay@ccit.arizona.edu ++=============================================================================+ +| Do your part for Liberty: Teach your children to hate Big Government. | ++-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +",16 +3919,"From: foxfire@access.digex.com (foxfire) +Subject: Car Audio [Forsale] +Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA +Lines: 19 +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net + +Car Audio Products for Sale... + +Kicker (Stillwater Designs) - SS10x2: 2 10"" Kickers in a sealed box. The box + is manufactured direct from Kicker. (Instructions). +*******Asking $175 + Shipping + + +Kicker (Stillwater Designs) - 2 Kicker 12"" Subwoofers. (Instructions). +*******Asking $175 + Shipping (Sold as a pair only!) + + +Kenwood KAC923 Amp - 220 Watts X 2. 2 ohm stable (Box & Instruction Included). +*******Asking $375 + Shipping + +Im selling the above item for a friend without Internet access... You can +either E-Mail me or call him (Mike Metalios) at (410)665-5773. + +Foxfire + +",6 +631,"From: morley@suncad.camosun.bc.ca (Mark Morley) +Subject: VGA Mode 13h Routines Available +Nntp-Posting-Host: suncad.camosun.bc.ca +Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 +Lines: 31 + +Hi there, + +I've made a VGA mode 13h graphics library available via FTP. I originally +wrote the routines as a kind of exercise for myself, but perhaps someone +here will find them useful. They are certainly useable as they are, but +are missing some higher-level functionality. They're intended more as an +intro to mode 13h programming, a starting point. + +*** The library assumes a 386 processor, but it is trivial to modify it +*** for a 286. If enough people ask, I'll make the mods and re-post it as a +*** different version. + +The routines are written in assembly (TASM) and are callable from C. They +are fairly simple, but I've found them to be very fast (for my purposes, +anyway). Routines are included to enter and exit mode 13h, define a +""virtual screen"", put and get pixels, put a pixmap (rectangular image with +no transparent spots), put a sprite (image with see-thru areas), copy +areas of the virtual screen into video memory, etc. I've also included a +simple C routine to draw a line, as well as a C routine to load a 256 +color GIF image into a buffer. I also wrote a quick'n'dirty(tm) demo program +that bounces a bunch of sprites around behind three ""windows"". + +The whole package is available on spang.camosun.bc.ca in /pub/dos/vgl.zip +It is zipped with pkzip 2.04g + +It is completely in the public domain, as far as I'm concerned. Do with +it whatever you like. However, it'd be nice to get credit where it's due, +and maybe an e-mail telling me you like it (if you don't like it don't bother) + +Mark +morley@camosun.bc.ca +",1 +661,"From: orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke) +Subject: Re: Delaunay Triangulation +Organization: Smith College, Northampton, MA, US +Lines: 22 + +In article zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) writes: +> +>Does anybody know what Delaunay Triangulation is? +>Is there any reference to it? +>Is it useful for creating 3-D objects? If yes, what's the advantage? + +There is a vast literature on Delaunay triangulations, literally +hundreds of papers. A program is even provided with every copy of +Mathematica nowadays. You might look at this if you are interested in +using it for creating 3D objects: + +@article{Boissonnat5, + author = ""J.D. Boissonnat"", + title = ""Geometric Structures for Three-Dimensional Shape Representation"", + journal = ""ACM Transactions on Graphics"", + month = ""October"", + year = {1984}, + volume = {3}, + number = {4}, + pages = {266-286} +} + +",1 +9299,"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) +Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary +Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 28 + +>As the moderator noted, I think you mean the Assumption. Catholics +>believe that the Blessed Virgin Mary went to Heaven body *and* soul at +>the end of her life. This is unusual because the normal course of +>events is for your body to decay in the grave and stay that way until +>the Resurrection of the Dead. + +Well, it wasn't that way for Enoch and Elijah, both of whom were +translated directly into heaven. It's beyond my grasp why some object +that Mary, who was far greater than either Enoch or Elijah, should not +benefit from the same privelege they recieved. She was after all, +Mother of God, full of grace, and immaculate. + +>Historically, belief in the Assumption can be found in the writings of +>St. Gregory of Tours (late 6th century). + +And in St. Germain of Constantinople and St. John of Damascus, and in +St. Andrew of Crete, among others. + +And it should be noted that the Monophysite Chruches of Egypt and Syria +also hold to this belief as part of divine revelation, even though they +broke away from the unity of the Chruch in 451 AD by rejecting the +Council of Chalcedon. It might be argued by some Protestants that the +Catholics and Orthodox made this belief up, but the Monophysites, put a +big hole in that notion, as they also hold the belief, and they split +from the Chruch before the belief was first annunciated in writing (as +far as is known, much has been lost from the time of the Fathers). + +Andy Byler +",15 +3113,"From: ksc@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (kenneth.s.cobler) +Subject: XFree86 and Esix 4.0.4 +Organization: AT&T +Distribution: na +Keywords: esix +Lines: 39 + +Hello Netlanders: + + I am a novice X user with a question for any Xgod. + + My computer configuration with the X problem is as follows: + + 486DX50/256/16RAM running Esix 4.0.4 + Wangtek AT-style interface 250 M tape drive. + I have loaded the Basic OS (which includes nsu) and + inet utilities (tcp/ip). + I ftp-ed the XFree86 (X11R5) binaries and installed properly. + + I can execute startx and run X-windows with no problems. + However, if I try to access the tape drive while in X, the + machine locks up instantly. If I am out of X and access the + tape, the tape drive works fine. Soon as I try to + startx again; the screen changes modes, but, the grey background + pattern does not come up and no xterm is forked. I have to login + from another terminal and execute a shutdown to reset the system. + + I've contacted Esix about this problem. They claim THEIR X-window X11R4 + server (which I have) works with the Wangtek tape drive. They also + claim I only need the nsu (network system utilities) to run X; I don't + need inet (tcp/ip). My experience has been that I need BOTH to get + XFree86 to work. I'm not too concerned about having to load both nsu and inet + packages to get X to work unless the inet package is causing my problem. + + I would like to get both X and my tape drive to co-exist on the same + system. If you can shed any light on the problem, it would be appreciated. + + One colleague implied this might be a hardware conflict. If this is true, + what direction should I look to resolve the conflict ? + + Thanks, + + Kenneth Cobler ksc@ihlpv.att.com + AT&T Bell Laboratories + 263 Shuman Blvd. + Naperville, IL 60566 +",5 +10082,"From: albert@olizei.aiva.lt (Albert Meltser) +Subject: Re: How many israeli soldiers... What are you ``joking'' dark so much for? +Distribution: world +Organization: Lithuanian-Israeli Joint Stock Company OLIZEI +Reply-To: albert@olizei.aiva.lt +Keywords: Ani ohev et kolkhem -- 'Uhibbu kullukum -- I love you all +Lines: 32 + +> Q: How many occupying israeli soldiers (terrorists) does it +> take to kill a 5 year old native child? +> +> A: Four +> +> Two fasten his arms, one shoots in the face, +> and one writes up a false report. +> +> -- +> / .. / . +> /_______/_/__________/_/_/ _< /____/ +> /___ / .. /____/ +> + +1. There is a similar idea here in ex-USSR about how many militioners it needs + to place a new electric lamp. The answer is nine: one stays on a table and + holds the lamp, four hold the table and turn it and yet four run around the + table in opposite direction not to make the first feel bad (when being + turned). Pitily, it lacks this kind of dark humour as Nick's msg does. +2. To my mind the signature should be smth like: + + / _ __ / . + /_______/_/_______________ /________ /____/ + /___ / _ / + + Albert + +-- + _ .. I _ .. II + ___I__/__)____I__I__(_) I____I ___I__II + __) ' __) . + +",17 +36,"From: mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) +Subject: Re: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: +>(reference line trimmed) +> +>livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: +> +>[...] +> +>>There is a good deal more confusion here. You started off with the +>>assertion that there was some ""objective"" morality, and as you admit +>>here, you finished up with a recursive definition. Murder is +>>""objectively"" immoral, but eactly what is murder and what is not itself +>>requires an appeal to morality. +> + +I think you mean circular, not recursive, but that is semantics. +Recursiveness has no problems, it is just horribly inefficient (just ask +any assembly programmer.) + +>Yes. +> +>>Now you have switch targets a little, but only a little. Now you are +>>asking what is the ""goal""? What do you mean by ""goal?"". Are you +>>suggesting that there is some ""objective"" ""goal"" out there somewhere, +>>and we form our morals to achieve it? +> +>Well, for example, the goal of ""natural"" morality is the survival and +>propogation of the species. Another example of a moral system is +>presented within the Declaration of Independence, which states that we +>should be guaranteed life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You see, +>to have a moral system, we must define the purpose of the system. That is, +>we shall be moral unto what end? + +The oft-quoted line that says people should be guaranteed life, liberty +and the pursuit of happiness as inalienable rights, is a complete lie +and deception, as the very authors of that line were in the process of +proving. Liberty is never free, it is always purchased at some cost, +almost always at the cost to another. Whos liberty is more inalienable? +Similarly for right of life. When one person must die if he is to save +another, or even a group of others, whos life is more inalienable? +That leads into the classic question of the value of the death penalty, +especially for serial killers. Whos life and liberty is more valuable, +the serial killer, or the victim? According to that beautiful line, +those two rights should be completely inviolate, that is, noone should be +able to remove them. This _includes_ government. Admittedly the serial +killer has restricted some people's life and/or liberty, but is not his +own life/liberty inviolate also? According to the declaration of independence, +it is. + +>>>Murder is certainly a violation of the golden rule. And, I thought I had +>>>defined murder as an intentional killing of a non-murderer, against his will. + +Oooh, I like that. It means that killing an infant is not murder because +it cannot be against its will. Reason, an infant has no will as such. + +Similarly for people who are brain dead (easier to see), in a coma, etc. + +Also, under current law, accidental killing is still murder. How will you +include that? + +>>>And you responded to this by asking whether or not the execution of an +>>>innocent person under our system of capital punishment was a murder or not. +>>>I fail to see what this has to do with anything. I never claimed that our +>>>system of morality was an objective one. +>>I thought that was your very first claim. That there was +>>some kind of ""objective"" morality, and that an example of that was +>>that murder is wrong. If you don't want to claim that any more, +>>that's fine. + +The only real golden rule in life is, he who has the gold, makes the +rules. I.e. Might Makes Right. That is survival. Now what is wrong +with that? + +>Well, murder violates the golen rule, which is certainly a pillar of most +>every moral system. However, I am not assuming that our current system +>and the manner of its implementation are objectively moral. I think that +>it is a very good approximation, but we can't be perfect. + +If you mean the golden rule as I stated, yes, almost every system as +implemented has used that in reality. Sorry, I don't deal as much in +fiction, as I do in reality. + +>>And by the way, you don't seem to understand the difference between +>>""arbitrary"" and ""objective"". If Keith Schneider ""defines"" murder +>>to be this that and the other, that's arbitrary. Jon Livesey may +>>still say ""Well, according to my personal system of morality, all +>>killing of humans against their will is murder, and wrong, and what +>>the legal definition of murder may be in the USA, Kuweit, Saudi +>>Arabia, or the PRC may be matters not a whit to me"". + +WELCOME TO OZLAND!!!!!!! :) + +What is NOT arbitrary? If you can find some part of society, some societal +rules, morals, etc. that are not arbitrary, please tell me. I don't think +there are any. + +>Well, ""objective"" would assume a system based on clear and fundamental +>concepts, while ""arbitary"" implies no clear line of reasoning. +> +>keith +Sounds like euphemisms to me. The difference seems to be, that objective +is some reasoning that I like, while arbitrary is some reasoning that +I don't like OR don't understand. + +M^2 + + +",0 +6492,"From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) +Subject: Bob ""Putz"" Cain (was: Pgp and other BS) +Nntp-Posting-Host: next7.cs.umr.edu +Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO +Lines: 21 + +In article <1993Apr16.195927.3952@natasha.portal.com> bob@natasha.portal.com (Bob Cain) writes: +>Charles Kincy (ckincy@cs.umr.edu) wrote: +>: In article <1993Apr16.001321.3692@natasha.portal.com> bob@natasha.portal.com (Bob Cain) writes: +[...] +>: Oh, I see, flame someone, tell them that they are immature, tell them +>: they are wrong, and then don't offer any proof for your assertions. +>: +>: You really *are* a putz. Put up or shut up. +>: +> +>I will provide any proof you wish in private. Name it, dickhead. + +Don't bother. has pretty much made +your pathetic ass superfluous. You lose. Pack up your bags and +go home. + +>Putz Cain + +Well, if the shoe fits.... + +cpk +",11 +10826,"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) +Subject: CLINTON: Press Release on USIA Appointments +Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, + 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 +Lines: 101 +NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu + + + + THE WHITE HOUSE + + Office of the Press Secretary +_________________________________________________________________ + +For Immediate Release April 15, 1993 + + + + AMERICAN UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT JOSEPH DUFFEY NAMED TO HEAD USIA, + MICA TO CHAIR BOARD FOR INTERNATIONAL BROADCASTING + + +Washington, D.C. - President Clinton today announced his +intention to nominate American University President and former +State Department Assistant Secretary Joseph Duffey to be Director +of the United States Information Agency. The President also +designated Daniel Mica Chairman of the Board for International +Broadcasting. + + ""Joe Duffey's expertise in the fields of education, +communications and foreign affairs is vast and will serve him +well as he takes the helm at USIA and works to promote the ideals +of democracy and freedom abroad,"" the President said. + + President of American University in Washington, D.C. since +1991, Duffey previously served nine years as Chancellor and +President of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. In 1977 +he served as Assistant Secretary of State, Education and Cultural +Affairs in the State Department. Duffey served as Chairman of the +National Endowment for the Humanities under both Presidents +Carter and Reagan. + + In 1978 and 1980, Duffey served as a United States delegate +to the General Conference of the United Nations Educational, +Scientific and Cultural Organization. In 1991, Duffey served as +joint head of the U.S. Delegation observing national elections in +Ethiopia. + + USIA, which celebrates its 40th anniversary this year, is an +independent foreign affairs agency within the executive branch +that explains and supports U.S. foreign policy and national +security interests abroad through a wide range of information +programs. Among the agency's programs are the Fulbright academic +program, Voice of America, the Worldnet satellite television +system and a network of overseas libraries and cultural centers. +The agency has more than 210 posts in more than 140 countries. + + (more) +Press Release +pg. 2 + + + + + Mica becomes Chairman of the Board for International +Broadcasting after serving as a member of the board since 1991. + + ""Dan Mica has done an excellent job on the Board of +International Broadcasting and I expect he will continue as +chairman to promote the cause of democracy abroad,"" the President +said. + + + Biographical sketches of the appointees follow: + + +Joseph Duffey has served as President of American University +since 1991. Prior to his tenure at American, Duffey served as +Chancellor and President of the University of Massachusetts at +Amherst (1982 - 91) and as a Guest Scholar at the Brookings +Institution (1982). He served as Chairman of the National +Endowment for the Humanities from 1977 - 82 and as Assistant +Secretary of State, Education and Cultural Affairs with the +Department of State in 1977. Duffey holds 14 honorary degrees +from American colleges and universities. In 1980 he was named +Commander of the Order of the Crown by the King of Belgium and he +has been a member of the Council of Foreign Relations since 1979. +Duffey received a BA from Marshall University in 1954, a BD from +the Andover Newton Theological School in 1958, a STM from Yale +University in 1963 and a Ph.D. from the Harvard Seminary +Foundation in 1969. Duffey is a member of the National Business- +Higher Education Forum and a founder and co-chairman of the +Western Massachusetts Economic Development Conference. Duffey is +married to Anne Wexler and has four sons. + + +Daniel Mica is a former U.S. Representative from the 14th +District of Florida and has served on the Board of International +Broadcasting since 1991. During his tenure in Congress from 1979 +- 89 he served on the House Committee on Foreign Relations and +was appointed by President Reagan as the Congressional +Representative to the United Nations. + + + -30-30-30- + + + +",18 +4777,"From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges) +Subject: Re: Rejetting carbs.. +Reply-To: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges) +Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD +Lines: 34 + +Now, I am jumping into the middle of this thread so I may not know +what y'all been talking about, but I have a few comments: + +In rec.motorcycles, davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes: +>1. Unless an engine is supercharged, the pressure available to force +>air into the intake tract is _atmospheric_. At the time the intake +>valve is opened, the pressure differential available to move air is only +>the difference between the combustion chamber pressure (left over after +>the exhaust stroke) and atmospheric. As the piston decends on the +>intake stroke, combustion chamber pressure is decreased, allowing +>atmospheric pressure to move more air into the intake tract. At no time +>does the pressure ever become ""negative"", or even approach a good +>vacuum. + +There are a number of other factors that are very important, the three +biggest being air velocity, air momentum and shock waves. +Velocity stacks have been used for years and are now being used inside +of stock airboxes on a number of bikes. At a tuned engine rpm, the +stacks can greatly increase the speed, and thus momentum of the air +rushing in. +Air momentum is critical in getting good air intake: the momentum of +the air stack outside the combustion chamber will force its way inside +long after the piston has begun its compressive up-stroke. +Shock waves are used to induce air intake and to prevent fresh air from +escaping out the exzhaust ports. Shock waves are the product of expansion +chambers or any other means of presenting a 'wall' (opening or closing) +to the air in motion. Beyond this I am lost in the mystery of how they +design for shock waves. + + <================================================> + / Rich Sturges (h) 703-536-4443 \ + / NSWC - Carderock Division (w) 301-227-1670 \ + / ""I speak for no one else, and listen to the same."" \ + <========================================================> +",8 +4501,"From: CONRADIE@firga.sun.ac.za (Gerrit Conradie) +Subject: Re: Dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading. Need help! +Organization: University of Stellenbosch, SA +Distribution: usa +Lines: 26 + +In article <1qvrnpINNnid@shelley.u.washington.edu> yongje@hardy.u.washington.edu (Yong Je Lim) writes: +>Subject: Dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading. Need help! + +>Here is a story. I bought a car about two weeks ago. I finally can +>get hold of the previous owner of the car and got all maintanence +>history of the car. In between '91 and '92, the instrument pannel +>of the car has been replaced and the odometer also has been reset +>to zero. Therefore, the true meter reading is the reading before +>replacement plus current mileage. That shows 35000 mile difference +>comparing to the mileage on the odometer disclosure from. The +>dealer never told me anything about that important story. +> +>I hope that I can return the car with full refund. Do u think this +>is possible? Does anyone have similar experiences? Any comments +>will be appreciated. Thanks. + +Something that happened in South AFrica about a year ago: A dealer sold a +Mercedes with an odometer reading of 150K kilometers to a lady. Turned out +that the actual reading should have been 160K. Court case followed because +lady said she wouldn't have bought a car with that much km's. Dealer found +quilty, fined and had to take back the car. + +I think you have a case if you can get a sworn statement from the previous +owner. Take the car back to the dealer and threaten him or something. + +- gerrit +",7 +8429,"From: xrcjd@resolve.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine) +Subject: Space Station radio commercial +Organization: NASA/GSFC Greenbelt Maryland +Lines: 13 + +A brief political/cultural item. + +Radio station WGMS in Washington is a classical music station with +a large audience among high officials (elected and otherwise). +Imagine a radio station that advertises Mercedes Benzes, diamond +jewelry, expensive resorts and (truthfully) Trident submarines. + +This morning I heard a commercial for the space station project. +Didn't catch the advertiser. + +Guess they're pulling out all the stops. +-- +Chuck Divine +",14 +4205,"From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) +Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots +Organization: clearer than blir +Lines: 20 +NNTP-Posting-Host: lanmola.engr.washington.edu + +In article mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee) writes: +>W/r/t performance, converter lockup is purely irrelevant. The lockup only +>occurs at light throttle settings and serves only to improve MPG. Mind you, +>a converter clutch does a lovely job of improving MPG, but the additional +>mechanical advantage of the converter gives you more acceleration (vs. locked +>converter clutch) than its inherent losses take away. + +the transmission in my car contradicts both your assertions.. i get much +stronger acceleration if i let the convertor lockup.. which i can induce +by briefly lifting off, then quickly (but not too quickly to trigger +a kickdown) applying throttle. above 3000 rpms, the convertor will never +unlock; it would kickdown first. + +who says there's no skill involved in driving an automatic? i think +of it as the throttle and shifter combined into a single pedal. with +my car i can pretty much influence its shifting patterns with my +right foot, while having both hands to steer. + + +eliot +",7 +102,"From: davidk@welch.jhu.edu (David ""Go-Go"" Kitaguchi) +Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution +Nntp-Posting-Host: uss1.welch.jhu.edu +Reply-To: davidk@welch.jhu.edu +Organization: Welch Medical Library +Lines: 56 + + +:P>My atheism is incidental, and the question of ""God"" is trivial. +:P +:P>But........ +:P +:P>It matters a great deal to me when idiots try to force their belief on me, +:P>when they try to enforce their creation myths to be taught as scientific +:P>fact in school, when they tell me I can have no morals because morals are +:P>from ""God"", when a successful presidential candidate says that an atheist +:P>shouldn't be considered a citizen and couldn't be patriotic because ""after +:P>all this is one nation under God"", when the fundies try to take over the +:P>party that may well provide the next President of The United States of +:P>America so that they can force their beliefs on the rest of the country, +:P>et cetera.......... +:P +:P>That's why I subscribe to alt.atheism. +:P +:P>And in the middle of this, people who aren't mind readers pop up on +:P>alt.atheism to tell me what I do or don't believe, or to concoct some +:P>straw-man reason why I don't share their particular belief. +:P +:P>You think I should just accept this? +:P +:P>This isn't particularly a dig at fundamentalist christians. I have been +:P>told on alt.atheism that I reject Allah because I am too proud to embrace +:P>islam, and that I reject Krishna because my eyes are closed. But most of +:P>the religious nuts who post on alt.atheism are some kind of militant +:P>christian who can't accept that others don't share their beliefs. This +:P>kind of stuff should be kept on talk.religion.misc, where it belongs. +:P +:P>ATHEISM ISN'T A BELIEF, IT'S THE ABSENCE OF BELIEF IN ANY GODS. +:P> ------- +:P +:P>Do you have a problem with this? +:P +:P>> +:P>>Bill +:PFirst, I would like to say that atheism is in fact a belief. It is a beilief +:Pbecause a belief in something you hold to with ador and faith. An atheist says there are no gods. This cannot be proven. therefore you are excepting this on +:Pfaith alone. That is a belief. Secondly, you complain so much about how the +:Pfundamental christians are trying to force their beliefs on you, but you don't +:Pmention anything about how the atheists, such as; Madamme Murry O'hare(founder +:Pof the Atheists Association in Austin Texas), and Robert Sherman(from the Chicago area) have been trying to force their beliefs on everyone by trying to get rid of God from our society by banning religious paintings from parks during Chistmas, forcing cities to change their town seals if there is any mention of God in it (like Sherman has done), or trying to get the slogan ""In God We Trust"" off of the American currency? You also talk about creation ""myths"" as if they are in fact myths and tha +:P +:P +:P +:Phave concrete evidece of this. You probably +:Pdon't and that just enforces my point that your atheism is just as much belief as my christianity. If this is not so please do show me why it isn't. +:PMark Covalt + +The only real problem I have with the argument of christianity is that they seem to ignore their origin that being Asiatic in origin. As soon as christians become the +good non ego-centric Buddhists they are supposed to be, then I might listen. + +My opinion, I speak not for my place of employment... But I should... +""Christ was over-rated, and will the ATF follow Koresh (the current Christ) through +his ascention to heaven?"" +",0 +3014,"From: s_ledoux@csc32.enet.dec.com (Scott LeDoux) +Subject: Icon Animation +Lines: 17 +Reply-To: s_ledoux@csc32.enet.dec.com (Scott LeDoux) +Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation -- CSC/Colorado Srpings + + +Hi Folks. + +As part of my self-introduction to X I've been trying to do some simple +icon animation (sort of like icondoit from mswindows). Changing your +own applications icon is fairly simple: If you have a widget ID you can +just XtSetValues on XtNiconifyPixmap (or whatever) and you're done. Alternately +you can set window manager hints. These methods don't seem to work with +icons which your application doesn't specifically own. + +In my situation I have to change the icon of random windows sitting there in +my icon box so my question is: Given a window-id, how do you change the +icon pixure ? A working example would be very much appreciated. If it makes +any difference, I'm using motif 1.1 on VMS T6.0-5KE. + +Thanks - +Scott :) +",5 +952,"Subject: XLib and 24 Bit Displays [Info Needed] +From: sl0pr@riverdale.enet.dec.com (869883 Thakkar Rahul Chandrakant) +Reply-To: sl0pr@riverdale.enet.dec.com (869883 Thakkar Rahul Chandrakant) +Distribution: world +Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation +Keywords: Xlib +Nntp-Posting-Host: riverdale.declab.usu.edu +Lines: 23 + +Hi, + +My name is rahul and I am doing MS at USU, Logan +My query is: + I have a HP workstation: HP Series 400 with X running on it. +I have a true color - 24bit color monitor connected to this machine. +Normally I have the capability to display 256 colors from a max of +16.7 million. Since the monitor is True Color I can see 16.7 +million at a time. +Que: do we have a facility in X(c-function call) that will enable me +to specify any RGB combination and see it on screen? I am using +XStoreColor to set the pallette of a max of 256 colors. +Que: If not. Is there any way I can display a true color image +on a true color monitor using XLib function calls? + +We are generating ray traced images and 256 colors are indeed a +painful limit. besides I need the facility to display the true color images +i will be generating on a true color system WITHOUT color +quantification. +Please, if anyone can help i'd be obliged + +Rahul +sl0pr@cc.usu.edu +",1 +8576,"From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) +Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 13 + +In article <1r6aqr$dnv@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: +#The better question should be. +#Why not transfer O&M of all birds to a separate agency with continous funding +#to support these kind of ongoing science missions. + +Since we don't have the money to keep them going now, how will +changing them to a seperate agency help anything? + +-- +-Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia + USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA + Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu + UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w +",14 +2197,"From: dwayne@stratsft.uucp (Dwayne Bailey) +Subject: Need help identifying Serial board +Organization: Strategic Software, Redford, Michigan +Lines: 26 + +I need some help with a multi port serial board of unknown origin. I'm +hoping someone knows what this board is, or, even better, what the various +switches and jumbers are used for. + +Anyway, here's description of the card: It is a 16-bit card, although +I noticed that none of the contacts in the 16-bit extension are connected +to anything. It has 4 NS16550AN chips in sockets, and 4 corresponding +connecters labeled COM1 - COM4. There is also an external female connector +with 37 pins. There are 8 banks of 8 switches, 2 banks of 4 switches, and +7 jumpers. I believe that I have determined, by following traces, that +SW5 and SW6 (12 switches in all) control the interrupt level for each of +the COM ports. SW5[1-4] are for IRQ3, SW5[5-8] are for IRQ4, and SW6[1-4] +are for IRQ5. The other switches are beyond my meager ability to follow. + +The only identification printed on the board is ""MULTI SERIAL PORT BOARD"" +across the bottom. There is a box for serial number, but it is blank. +Immediately below the words ""SERIAL NO"", but not in the box left for +the S/N, are the numbers ""1990 2 8"". + +Anyone have any clues? Your help is greatly appreciated. + +-- +dwayne@stratsft.UUCP + ""We have ways to make you scream."" +Dwayne Bailey + -- Intel advertisement, +Strategic Software + in the June 1989 Doctor Dobbs Journal +Redford, Michigan + +",3 +11199,"From: cotera@woods.ulowell.edu +Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) +Lines: 14 +Organization: University of Massachusetts Lowell + +In article <1r1u5t$595@lm1.oryx.com>, xcpslf@oryx.com (stephen l favor) writes: +> : Seems to me Koresh is yet another messenger that got killed +> : for the message he carried. (Which says nothing about the +> : character of the messenger.) I reckon we'll have to find out +> : the rest the hard way. +> : +> +> Koresh was killed because he wanted lots of illegal guns. + +I suppose these illegal guns have been found? I suppose he was going to kill a +bunch of people with them? +--Ray Cote + +There's no government like no government. +",19 +5161,"From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) +Subject: Bike advice +Organization: Lehigh University +Lines: 11 + +I have an '89 Kawasaki KX 80. It is in mint condition and starts on the first +kick EVERY time. I have outgrown the bike, and am considering selling it. I +was told I should ask around $900. Does that sound right or should it be +higher/lower? + Also, I am looking for a used ZX-7. How much do I have to spend, and what +year should I look for to get a bike without paying an arm and a leg???? + Thanks for the help! + + Rob Fusi + rwf2@lehigh.edu +-- +",8 +7161,"From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) +Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???) +Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park +Lines: 33 +NNTP-Posting-Host: tea.eng.umd.edu + +In article <1993Apr14.174857.28314@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dje@bmw535.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Don Eilenberger) writes: +}In article <1993Apr14.153740.18542@nimbus.com>, jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford) writes: + +}|> There are two simple procedures for alterating any odometer. +}|> +}|> 1. Mechanical driven odometer: +}|> Remove the speedo cable from the transmission. +}|> Attach a drill and run at max speed until the speedo turns over. +}|> Continue until the desired mileage is reached. +}|> +}|> 2. Electronically driven odometer: +}|> Remove the sensor wire from the sensor. +}|> Attach the Calibration out signal from an Oscope to the wire. +}|> Run until the speedo turns over and attains the desired mileage. +} +}Dear Faster.. I kinda wonder.. have you ever tried version 2? On what? +}Since the sensor wire on a BMW feeds also into the computer.. and we +}don't know what signal voltage is expected from it.. bad things +}*could* happen... also since we don't know the pulse rate, we +}may damage the analog part of the speedo (yes.. BMW uses a combined +}instrument.. speed in analog, trip and total milage is digital) with +}the needle pegged up against the 160MPH stop.. +} +}Just a thought... + +You've got the oscilliscope, so you connect it up to the sensor wire +and measure this stuff. That way you know what it expects. + +-- +Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu +Some news readers expect ""Disclaimer:"" here. +Just say NO to police searches and seizures. Make them use force. +(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice) +",12 +10898,"From: rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) +Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) +Reply-To: rcollins@encore.com +Organization: Encore Computer Corporation +Nntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com +Lines: 62 + +steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: +|> Let me try to drag this discussion back to the original issues. As +|> I've noted before, I'm not necessarily disputing the benefits of +|> eliminating anti-competitive legislation with regard to auto dealers, +|> barbers, etc. One need not, however, swallow the entire libertarian +|> agenda to accomplish this end. Just because one grants the benefits of +|> allowing anyone who wishes to cut hair to sell his/her services without +|> regulation does not mean that the same unregulated barbers should be +|> free to bleed people as a medical service without government intervention. +|> (As some/many libertarians would argue.) +|> +|> On a case by case basis, the cost/benefit ratio of government regulation +|> is obviously worthwhile. The libertarian agenda, however, does not call +|> for this assessment. It assumes that the costs of regulation (of any +|> kind) always outweigh its benefits. This approach avoids all sorts of +|> difficult analysis, but it strikes many of the rest of us as dogmatic, +|> to say the least. +|> +|> I have no objection to an analysis of medical care, education, +|> national defense or local police that suggests a ""free market"" can provide +|> a more effective, efficient means of accomplishing social objectives +|> than is provided through ""statist"" approaches. With some notable +|> exceptions, however, I do not see such nitty-gritty, worthwhile +|> analysis being carried out by self-professed libertarians. + +Excellently put! + +Even as a libertarian, I have to admit government does do some things I +like. There is a beautiful performing arts complex in Ft. Lauderdale +that was partially built with tax dollars (I don't know how much was +private and how much was stolen, I mean public) but it is beautiful and +I enjoy it. (Keep in mind, though, most of the people in the city will +never attend a single performance there, so they might feel differently +about having to help pay for it.) + +However, I have to disagree about it being desireable or efficient to +give government intervention-power on a case-by-case basis. In fact, +we have a lot better luck maintaining our freedom of speech precisely +because it is not decided on a case-by-case basis as much as other +issues. Judges decide whether political speech is allowed on the +sidewalk in front of the post office. They do not try to decide just +whether pro-nazi, pro-choice, pro-life, or pro-tax political speech +should be allowed on the sidewalk in front of the post office. You can +imagine the result if right to free speech was decided by the majority +on a case-by-case basis. + +Not so with economic issues. Government does tell taxi-drivers exactly +what they can charge, but not the bus lines or the lawyers. + +Just as it is not desireable to decide rights of free speech on a +case-by-case basis, we should not decide rights to free enterprise on a +case-by-case basis. + +There is hope that a government can be restricted from interferring with +free enterprise. But there is no hope, in my opinion, of having a +government that interferes with free enterprise in an ""efficient"" +manner; I call it political market failure. + +Thus, if you value freedom and the abundance it produces, you have to +swallow the ""whole libertarian agenda."" + +Roger Collins +",18 +7721,"From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) +Subject: Re: Science and Methodology +Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department +Distribution: inet +Lines: 28 + +In article <1qk92lINNl55@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: + +>In article lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) writes: +>> The difference between a Nobel Prize level scientist and a mediocre +>> scientist does not lie in the quality of their empirical methodology. +>> It depends on the quality of their THINKING. + + .................... + +>Lee Lady is correct when she asserts that the difference between +>Einstein and the average post-doc physicist is the quality of +>their thought. But what is the difference between Einstein and a +>genius who would be a great scientist but whose great thoughts +>are scientifically screwy? + +This example is probably wrong. There is the case of one famous +physicist telling another that he was probably wrong. As I recall +the quote: + + Your ideas are crazy, to be sure. But they are not crazy + enough to be right. + +The typical screwball is only somewhat screwy. +-- +Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399 +Phone: (317)494-6054 +hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet) +{purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP) +",13 +1841,"From: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell) +Subject: Re: Why VESA Local-Bus ???? +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 15 +Reply-To: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell) +NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu + + +In a previous article, guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) says: + +>Something to bear in mind is what the V in VLB stands for! +> +>V for Video - the origional intention of the bus was to speed up +>the bus so that large memory to memory transfers would be faster. +>This is espically useful in transfering data from main memory to +>video memory. + + +Well, not to be picky, but the V in VLB stands for VESA. +While the V in VESA stands for video, saying the V in VLB stands +for video is not entirely correct. +-- +",3 +2549,"From: KSLOAN@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (DUNCAN M CHESLEY) +Subject: Don't ""repair"" that sticky mouse button--CALL APPLE!!! +Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST +Lines: 52 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: deimos.ucs.umass.edu +X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 + + +------ X-posted to comp.sys.mac.hardware and misc.consumers ------- + +You've heard about Apple's great new customer ""support"" program. Well, +think again. Sometimes the only real support out there is what Apple +computer users can give to each other. For another example, read on: + +In the March 15th issue of _MacWeek_, Ric Ford described a two-year effort +by Liam Breck to document and bring to Apple's attention a problem with +certain defective mice. At random, the switches on these mice ""stick"" in +the down position until clicked a second time, apparently regardless of the +machine they are used with or the system software involved. Most of the +reported problem mice were manufactured in Malaysia and have an FCC ID of +BCGA65431. You'll recognize this ""sticky button"" symptom immediately if you +have such a mouse: the problem is intermittent, but it's not subtle. + +Liam Breck recently gave up trying to document this problem, and instead +suggested that people contact Apple's Customer Assistance Center directly +(_MacWeek_ 4/5/93 p. 64). When I called Apple on March 23rd and described +my defective mouse, I was eventually given a case number (F83Y) and told +Apple would replace this mouse even though it is a few months out of +warranty. After waiting for three weeks, I called back today wondering +where my new mouse was. This time, I was told that Apple had decided the +serial number on my mouse (MB13831FC25) is not within the (undisclosed) +range Apple is willing to replace, and there is nothing I can do about it. + +Nothing, that is, unless enough people complain about this problem to make +it worth Apple's while to fix or replace the entire lot of defective mice. +Please, if you have one of these mice, I NEED YOUR HELP! Don't assume you +know what causes the problem (there are _lots_ of theories) and start +hacking around inside your hundred-dollar mouse. Instead, let Apple do it. +Please take five minutes to CALL APPLE RIGHT NOW at: + + United States 1-800-776-2333 + Canada 800-665-2775 + UK and Europe 33-1-49-01-49-01 + Australia 61-2-452-8000 + Japan and Pacific 81-3-5411-8500 + +If the number isn't toll-free, call collect. Describe the problem and ask +for a replacement mouse. Even if they refuse, insist that they register +the details of your case, including your mouse's serial number. Be firm. + +Network managers and user-group leaders especially, please query your user +bases. Everyone ask your friends and colleagues. Please don't send mail to +me or post yet another ""sticky-button"" report, CALL APPLE DIRECTLY! If +enough victims take the trouble to report this well-known problem, Apple +will eventually be forced to respond. If Apple continues to find it easy +to stone-wall on this issue, don't expect them to offer support when the +next, potentially more serious Mac defect is uncovered. + +-- Bill Sloan +",4 +8916,"From: sciysg@nusunix1.nus.sg (Yung Shing Gene) +Subject: Mission Aviation Fellowship +Organization: National University of Singapore +Lines: 3 + +Hi, + Does anyone know anything about this group and what they +do? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks! +",15 +6120,"From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) +Subject: Pens playoff radio coverage (was:Re: Radio stations) +Keywords: KDKA, WDVE, KBL +Nntp-Posting-Host: lli.mach.cs.cmu.edu +Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon +Lines: 42 + +In article ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: +>greanias@texas.mitre.org (Steve Greanias) writes: +> +>I can give you a couple. In Detroit, WJR (760) will be broadcasting +>at least the first couple of games of the Wings-Toronto series, and +>since they broadcast at 50000 Watts, you may be able to pick it up +>after dark where you are at. The Pittsburgh Penguins games used to be +>broadcast on KDKA 1020, but I don't know whether they will be pre-empted +>by baseball (and moved to another station) or not. You can try those +>if the local baseball teams aren't playing at the same time, anyway. + +According to this morning's Post-Gazette: + +The Pens will be carried by KDKA-Radio(1020 am), unless the Pirates +are playing. When the Pirates play, the games will be carried by +WDVE(102.5 fm). WDVE will carry 12 games, starting with tonight's +game. + +In fact, after this season, KDKA will no longer be the flagship +station for the Pens. The Penguins and KBL have struck a new +deal regarding the TV and radio rights to the games. It seems +more than likely that WDVE will be the flagship radio station next +season. KBL will carry 62 games on tv, with 17 of the games to be +simulcast on KDKA-TV. The remaining 22 games, as well as some of the +early round playoff games, will be available by ""subscription tv"" only. +To receive the games, you'll have to pay a one time hook up fee, and +then a monthly fee of $11-12 dollars. + +Also, under the new deal, there will no longer be radio/tv +simulcasts. There will be a TV broadcast team, and a radio +broadcast team. + +No word on who the announcers will be. Mike Lange and Paul Steigerwald +are both under contract with KDKA, but their contracts expire at the +end of this season. KBL President Bill Craig said he'd like to hire +Lange and Steigerwald. + +Lori +Contact for the Penguins +lli+@cs.cmu.edu + + +",10 +4738,"From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) +Subject: Re: Boom! Hubcap attack! +Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com +Organization: Bellcore +Lines: 57 + +In article , speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy +Mercer) writes: +|> I was attacked by a rabid hubcap once. I was going to work on a +|> Yamaha +|> 750 Twin (A.K.A. ""the vibrating tank"") when I heard a wierd noise off +|> to my +|> left. I caught a glimpse of something silver headed for my left foot +|> and +|> jerked it up about a nanosecond before my bike was hit HARD in the +|> left +|> side. When I went to put my foot back on the peg, I found that it +|> was not +|> there! I pulled into the nearest parking lot and discovered that I +|> had been +|> hit by a wire-wheel type hubcap from a large cage! This hubcap +|> weighed +|> about 4-5 pounds! The impact had bent the left peg flat against the +|> frame +|> and tweeked the shifter in the process. Had I not heard the +|> approaching +|> cap, I feel certian that I would be sans a portion of my left foot. +|> +|> Anyone else had this sort of experience? +|> + + Not with a hub cap but one of those ""Lumber yard delivery +trucks"" made life interesting when he hit a 'dip' in the road +and several sheets of sheetrock and a dozen 5 gallon cans of +spackle came off at 70 mph. It got real interesting for about +20 seconds or so. Had to use a wood mallet to get all the dried +spackle off Me, the Helmet and the bike when I got home. Thanks +to the bob tail Kenworth between me and the lumber truck I had +a ""Path"" to drive through he made with his tires (and threw up +the corresponding monsoon from those tires as he ran over +what ever cans of spackle didn't burst in impact). A car in +front of me in the right lane hit her brakes, did a 360 and +nailed a bridge abutment half way through the second 360. + +The messiest time was in San Diego in 69' was on my way +back to the apartment in ocean beach on my Sportster and +had just picked up a shake, burger n fries from jack in +the box and stuffed em in my foul weather jacket when the +milk shake opened up on Nimitz blvd at 50 mph, nothing +like the smell of vanilla milk shake cooking on the +engine as it runs down your groin and legs and 15 people +waiting in back of you to make the same left turn you are. +-- +########################################################## +There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES + and TARGETS !!! +#1/XS1100LH DoD #956 #2 Next raise +Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063 +Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist +#include My opinions are my own!!! +I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo +in the same store. + +",8 +8681,"From: hathaway@stsci.edu +Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. +Distribution: na +Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute +Lines: 101 + +>Newsgroups: sci.astro,sci.space +>Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. +> + (excerpts from posting on this topic) + +>In article enzo@research.canon.oz.au +>(Enzo Liguori) writes: +> +>>Now, Space Marketing +>>is working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on +>>a plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth +>>orbit. +>... +>>... the real purpose of the project is to help the environment! +>>The platform will carry ozone monitors +> +>... +>I can't believe that a mile-long billboard would have any significant +>effect on the overall sky brightness. Venus is visible during the day, +>but nobody complains about that. Besides, it's in LEO, so it would only +>be visible during twilight when the sky is already bright, and even if +>it would have some miniscule impact, it would be only for a short time +>as it goes zipping across the sky. +> + +(I've seen satellites at midnight - they're not only in twilight.) :o) + +>... +> +>From the book ""Prodigal Genius: The Life of Nikola Tesla"" by John J. O'Neill: +> +>""This remarkable conductivity of gases, including the air, at low +>pressures, led Tesla to suggest, in a published statement in 1914, a +>system of lighting on a terrestrial scale in which he proposed to treat +>the whole Earth, with its surrounding atmosphere, as if it were a +>single lamp.... +>The whole Earth would be transformed into a giant lamp, with the night +>sky completely illuminated. ... making the night as bright as day."" +> + +Now my comments: + +I'd like to add that some of the ""protests"" do not come from a strictly +practical consideration of what pollution levels are acceptable for +research activities by professional astronomers. Some of what I +would complain about is rooted in aesthetics. Many readers may +never have known a time where the heavens were pristine - sacred - +unsullied by the actions of humans. The space between the stars +as profoundly black as an abyss can be. With full horizons and +a pure sky one could look out upon half of all creation at a time +- none of which had any connection with the petty matters of man. +Any lights were supplied solely by nature; uncorruptable by men. +Whole religions were based on mortal man somehow getting up there +and becoming immortal as the stars, whether by apotheosis or a belief +in an afterlife. + +The Space Age changed all that. The effect of the first Sputniks +and Echo, etc. on this view could only happen once. To see a light +crossing the night sky and know it was put there by us puny people +is still impressive and the sense of size one gets by assimilating +the scales involved is also awesome - even if the few hundreds or +thousands of miles involved is still dwarfed by the rest of the universe. +But there is still a hunger for the pure beauty of a virgin sky. + +Yes, I know aircraft are almost always in sight. I have to live +in a very populated area (6 miles from an international airport +currently) where light pollution on the ground is ghastly. The +impact of humans is so extreme here - virtually no place exists +that has not been shaped, sculpted, modified, trashed or whipped +into shape by the hands of man. In some places the only life +forms larger than bacteria are humans, cockroaches, and squirrels +(or rats). I visited some friends up in the Appalacian mountains +one weekend, ""getting away from it all"" (paved roads, indoor plumbing, +malls, ...) and it felt good for a while - then I quickly noticed +the hollow was directly under the main flight path into Dulles - 60-80 +miles to the east. (Their 'security light' didn't help matters +much either.) But I've heard the artic wilderness gets lots of +high air traffic. So I know the skies are rarely perfect. + +But there is still this desire to see a place that man hasn't +fouled in some way. (I mean they've been TRYING this forever - +like, concerning Tesla's idea to banish night, - wow!) I don't watch +commercial television, but I can imagine just how disgusting beer, +truck, or hemmorrhoid ointment advertisements would be if seen up so high. +If ya' gotta make a buck on it (displaying products in heaven), at +least consider the reactions from those for whom the sky is a last +beautiful refuge from the baseness of modern life. + +To be open about this though, I have here my listing of the passage +of HST in the evening sky for this weekend - tonight Friday at +8:25 p.m. EDT it will reach an altitude of 20.1 degrees on the +local meridian from Baltimore vicinity. I'll be trying to see it +if I can - it _is_ my mealticket after all. So I suppose I could +be called an elitist for supporting this intrusion on the night sky +while complaining about billboards proposed by others. Be that +as it may, I think my point about a desire for beauty is valid, +even if it can't ever be perfectly achieved. + +Regards, +Wm. Hathaway +Baltimore MD +",14 +7793,"From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) +Subject: Re: Endometriosis +Organization: University of Maryland +Lines: 6 +NNTP-Posting-Host: athens.eng.umd.edu + +You may want to inquire about taking Lupron as a medication. It's +supposed to be a new treatment, and it's described in Nov. 1992 +issue of J. of Obst. and Gyn. + +Lupron is taken as a monthly injection, whereas other drugs such +as danazol are taken daily as pills. +",13 +1978,"From: prg@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Pete Green) +Subject: Wanted: Advice/comments on building a PC +Distribution: uk +Organization: Manchester Computing Centre +Lines: 14 + +In the next few months I am intending to build a 386 or 486 PC system +for remote monitoring. I would welcome any comments or advice you may +have on the choice of motherboard, HDDs and I/O boards. Recommendations +for good companies selling these would be a big help. + +Many thanks, + +Peter Green. + + +-- +Peter R. Green ------- Tel:+44 61 200 4738 ---- Fax:+44 61 200 4019 ----------- + JANET: prg@uk.ac.mcc.nessie INTERNET: prg%nessie.mcc.ac.uk +----------------------- #include ---------------------------- +",3 +548,"From: hrs1@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (herman.r.silbiger) +Subject: ANSI/AIIM MS-53 Standard Image File Format +Organization: AT&T +Keywords: image, file format +Lines: 6 + + +wing the suggestion of Stu Lynne, I have posted the Image File Format executable and source code to alt.sources. + +Herman Silbiger +. + +",1 +3340,"From: michel@crnsu1.IN2p3.FR (6893) +Subject: creating a GIF file. +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 12 +NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu +To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu + + + We are looking for a X client which can convert a xwd or a bitmap +file into a gif file for use on a Macintosh. + + Thanks + + michel@crnsu1.in2p3.fr + Laurent MICHEL + CRN - GTI + BP 20 + 67037 STRASBOURG cedex (France) + Phone (33) 88 28 62 76 +",5 +3038,"From: defaria@cup.hp.com (Andy DeFaria) +Subject: Mysterious beeping +Nntp-Posting-Host: hpclapd.cup.hp.com +Organization: Hewlett-Packard +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.8] +Lines: 121 + +[ Article crossposted from hp.windows ] +[ Author was Andy DeFaria ] +[ Posted on Mon, 19 Apr 1993 18:08:38 GMT ] + +For some reason the following code causes my X application to beep whenever I +intercept a keystroke and change it's meaning. The intent of this code it to +allow ""date"" fields the following special keys: + + [Tt]: Insert today's date + [+=]: Bump day up by one + [-_]: Bump day down by one + +I hardcoded some dates for this example. Perhaps I shouldn't be using an +XmText field for this. + +////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// +// +// For some reason the following code beeps whenever any of the special keys +// of [Tt+=-_] are hit. Why? The idea of this code is to interpret these +// keys having the special meaning implied by the code. I would like to get +// rid of the beeping but, as far as I can tell, I'm not doing the beep and +// am at a lose as to understanding who and why the beeping is occuring. +// +////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include + +Widget toplevel; +Widget mainWindow; +Widget mainPane; +Widget dateField; +XtAppContext application; + +void markToday (Widget date) { + char *todaysDate = ""04/19/93""; + XtVaSetValues (date, XmNvalue, todaysDate, NULL); +} // markToday + +void markTomorrow (Widget date) { + char *tomorrowsDate = ""04/20/93""; + XtVaSetValues (date, XmNvalue, tomorrowsDate, NULL); +} // markTomorrow + +void markYesterday (Widget date) { + char *yesterdaysDate = ""04/18/93""; + XtVaSetValues (date, XmNvalue, yesterdaysDate, NULL); +} // markYesterday + +void datekeys (Widget /* callingWidget */, + Widget date, + XmTextVerifyPtr callbackData) { + // Capture the keys [Tt-_+=] can change their behaviour. If found + // set ""doit"" to false so X won't interpret the keystroke. + switch (callbackData->text->ptr [0]) { + case 't': case 'T': + markToday (date); + callbackData->doit = FALSE; + return; + case '-': case '_': + markYesterday (date); + callbackData->doit = FALSE; + return; + case '+': case '=': + markTomorrow (date); + callbackData->doit = FALSE; + return; + default: + return; + } // switch +} // datekeys + +void main (Cardinal argc, char *argv []) { + // Initialize Xt + toplevel = XtVaAppInitialize (&application, ""Application"", NULL, 0, + &argc, argv, NULL, NULL); + + // Create the toolface + mainWindow = XtVaCreateManagedWidget + (""mainWindow"", xmMainWindowWidgetClass, toplevel, NULL); + + // Create a mainWindow + mainPane = XtVaCreateManagedWidget + (""mainPane"", xmRowColumnWidgetClass, mainWindow, NULL); + + // Create a small text area + dateField = XtVaCreateManagedWidget + (""dateField"", xmTextWidgetClass, mainPane, + XmNtopAttachment, XmATTACH_FORM, + XmNrightAttachment, XmATTACH_FORM, + XmNcolumns, 8, + NULL); + + // Set modifyVerifyCallback to the datekeys callback + XtAddCallback (dateField, XmNmodifyVerifyCallback, + (XtCallbackProc) datekeys, (XtPointer) dateField); + + // Realize the toplevel + XtRealizeWidget (toplevel); + + // Go into the XtMainLoop + XtAppMainLoop (application); +} // main + +_______________________________________________________________________________ +I swear by my life and the love of it that I will | Andrew DeFaria +never live for the sake of another man nor ask | Hewlett Packard +another man to live for mine. | California Language Labs + John Galt | defaria@cup.hp.com +_______________________________________________________________________________ + + +-- +_______________________________________________________________________________ +I swear by my life and the love of it that I will | Andrew DeFaria +never live for the sake of another man nor ask | Hewlett Packard +another man to live for mine. | California Language Labs + John Galt | defaria@cup.hp.com +_______________________________________________________________________________ +",5 +2349,"From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow) +Subject: Re: Cheapest mike for Centris? +Article-I.D.: clark.1993Apr6.220053.27621 +Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa. USA +Lines: 13 + +In article summeral@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Summerall Thomas G) writes: +> +>I just bought a Centris 650 and discovered, to my dispointment, that Apple +>has gotten too cheap to include a mike anymore, internal or external. + +You get a mic with the C650 if you get it with the internal CD ROM drive. + +Gary + +-- +----- +Gary Snow +uunet!clark!gsnow or gsnow@clark.edu +",4 +9945,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: In Nazi Germany, Armenians were considered to be an Aryan race and... +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +Lines: 41 + +In article <2BAC23FF.25215@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: + +>There was no such letter in the Chronicle on that date, or at any other time. + +Is this a figment of your imagination? Here is another one: + + + Source: ""Mitteilungsblatt, Berlin, December 1939, Nr. 2 and 5-6"" + + Yet another historical fact: a fact that for years has been deliberately + forgotten, concealed, and wiped from memory - the fact of Armenian-Nazi + collaboration. + + A magazine called Mitteilungsblatt der Deutsch-Armenischen Gesselschaft + is the clearest and most definite proof of this collaboration. The + magazine was first published in Berlin in 1938 during Nazi rule of Germany + and continued publication until the end of 1944. Even the name of the + magazine, which implies a declaration of Armenian-Nazi cooperation, + is attention-getting. + + This magazine, every issue of which proves the collaboration, is historically + important as documentary evidence. It is a heap of writing that should be + an admonition to world opinion and to all mankind. + + In Nazi Germany, Armenians were considered to be an Aryan race and certain + political, economic, and social rights were thus granted to them. They + occupied positions in public service and were partners in Nazi practices. + The whole world of course knows what awaited those who were not considered + ""Aryan"" and what befell them. + + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) + + +",17 +7780,"From: jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) +Subject: Re: Endometriosis +Reply-To: jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) +Distribution: world +Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA +Lines: 26 + +In article <1993Apr16.032251.6606@rock.concert.net> naomi@rock.concert.net (Naomi T Courter) writes: +>can anyone give me more information regarding endometriosis? i heard +>it's a very common disease among women and if anyone can provide names +>... +>--Naomi + +Endometriosis is where cells that would normally be lining the uteris exist +outside the uteris. Sometimes this causes problems, often it doesn't. +There is generally no need to remove pockets of endometriosis unless they are +causing other problems. One lady I know had Endometriosis in an ovary. +This caused her a _great_ deal of pain. Another lady I know has an +endometrial cyst in her abdominal wall; she is not having it removed. + +The American Fertility Society has information on this and they probably +maintain a list of physicians in all parts of the continent that deal with +endometriosis. You can reach them at: + +The American Fertility Society +2140 11th Ave South +Suite 200 +Birmingham, Alabama 35205-2800 +(205)933-8494 + + [J.F.] + + +",13 +9893,"From: yoony@aix.rpi.edu (Young-Hoon Yoon) +Subject: Re: Constitutionality of 18 U.S.C 922(o) +Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu +Distribution: usa +Lines: 50 + +brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes: + +>You know, I was reading 18 U.S.C. 922 and something just did not make +>sence and I was wondering if someone could help me out. + +>Say U.S.C. 922 : + +>(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for +>any person to transfer or possess a machinegun. + +> Well I got to looking in my law dictionary and I found that a ""person"" +>might also be an artificial entity that is created by government +>and has no rights under the federal constitution. So, what I +>don't understand is how a statute like 922 can be enforced on +>an individual. So someone tell me how my government can tell +>me what I can or cannot possess. Just passing a law +>does not make it LAW. Everyone knows that laws are constitional +>until it goes to court. So, has it ever gone to court, not +>just your run of the mill ""Ok I had it I am guilty, put me in jail"" + +>Has anyone ever claimed that they had a right to possess and was told +>by the Supreme Court that they didn't have that right? + + + +>-- +>Brian Sheets _ /| ""TRUCK?! What truck?"" +>Support Engineer \`o_O' +>Atlas Telecom Inc. ( ) -Raiders of the Lost Ark +>brians@atlastele.com U + +I'm not a lawyer but to the best of my understanding, the Congress has no +more rights than what is enumerated in the constitution. That is the +prime reason why the National Firearms Act is based on collecting revenue. +Since the Congress has the authority to levy taxes, the NFA is a tax act and +the registration requirement within it is to assist in that tax collection. +U.S.C 922, in order to be constitutional, must have a basis on a particular +authority granted to the Congress by the Constitution. Congress can not +arbitrarily ban a substance or product. That is why prohibition came into +effect, only by passing an ammendment. What you said about constitutionality +of law needs to be clarified. I believe that an unconstitutional law was +never constitutional. When a law is determined by the Supreme Court, to be +unconstitutional, that law was never really a law. The very nature of the law +being unconstitutional invalidates the law at it's inception. Please correct +me if I'm wrong, but when a law is deemed to be unconstitutional, anyone +convicted of breaking that law is absolved. + I don't believe U.S.C 922 has ever been challenged in court. NFA has been +invalidated in two Federal District Court cases( one may have been appellate +level{ U.S. vs Rock Island Armory and U.S. vs Dalton}). + +",16 +5872,"From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) +Subject: USENET Playoff Pool +Organization: IDACOM, A division of Hewlett-Packard +Lines: 15 + +As I've mentioned in the rules posting, I will be out of town until the +day before the entry deadline, so I won't be able to respond to your +messages until April 18. + +I would be grateful if someone could repost the rules and instructions for +the playoff pool sometime next week, for the benefit of those who missed the +first two postings. + +Thanks. + +-- +Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com +HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 + +During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old... +",10 +4192,"From: jong@halcyon.com (Barking Weasel) +Subject: Re: RFI:Art of clutchless shifting +Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505 +Lines: 36 + +schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes: + +>I'm wondering if anybody else out there is a clutchless shifter? I've been +>doing it my self over 200,000 miles, on my current toyota truck I've got +>over 150k. I've heard people talk about how doing this can damage a +>transmission. My experiences suggest otherwise. What techniques do you use? + + Yeah. I don't use the clutch all the time either. I've done it +with Fords, BMW, Datsun, and Chevy and it works fine. I can't think of +any reason that it would damage the tranny. Essentially you are just +doing what the synchros do anyhow - match the engine speed with the +tranny speed and slip it into gear. + + +>On some old pieces of junk I drove, the transmission was so +>worn that pumping the clutch was the only way to shift, except clutchless. +>To date I've driven rabbits, datsuns, comets, fords & a chevy. Some where +>harder than others to shift but generally the higher the milage the smoother +>quicker & easier they where to shift. + +>My technique is to ease back off the throttle and at the same time gently +>wrist back on the shift lever. If for some reason I miss the shift window, +>I lightly press the accelerator & try agian. I've found that clutchless +>shifting is eaiser/quicker at high rpms (4000-7000). I also skip gears some +>times using 1-3-5 ,1-2-4-5. + + Sounds about right. I usually slip it out during throttle-down +and then blip the throttle and wait until it feels like things are right +(usually about a second) and then slip it into gear... + +>krispy +-- +-------------------------------------------------------------------- +Jon ""You obviously don't know who you're dealing with"" Gross +jong@halcyon.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------- +",7 +4163,"Subject: Re: Ford SHO engine parts! +From: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) +Reply-To: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) +Distribution: world +Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525 +Lines: 21 + + +W >>will NOT do work on internal engine components of the SHO engine. This +W > +W >Good thing, too. +W > +W >At about 25K miles my cam sensor went south. 2 different Ford +W >dealers tried 5 or 6 different ""fixes"", none of which worked. Finally +W >I took it down the street to the local mechanic. This guy reads the +W >code off the engine computer, says ""Bad cam sensor"", and fixes it in +W >an hour... + +A friend of mine had some sensors damaged by flood waters, Ford denys any +sensors are registering bad. He and his father did the short a circut via +paper clip method (not sure of the exact technique), and read the codes off +the ""service engine"" light flashes generated from this. Came up with the +damaged sensors, went back to Ford, and TOLD them what was wrong. They +fixed the car after that. What a bunch of bozos. + +---- +The Cutting Edge BBS (cutting.hou.tx.us) A PCBoard 14.5a system +Houston, Texas, USA +1.713.466.1525 running uuPCB +",7 +10838,"From: kmitchel@netcom.com (Kenneth C. Mitchell) +Subject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE +Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 34 + +Dave Borden (borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu) wrote: +: The Selective Service Registration should be abolished. To start with, the +: draft is immoral. Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now, +: and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior +: with a volunteer army than with draftees. Finally, the government has us +: on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and +: Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to. +: Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time. +: Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit. + +Let me say this about that, as a retired Navy officer; + +I agree. Cut it. But let's not stop there. + +Eliminate the C-17 transport. Overwight, overdue, overbudget, it was +supposed to carry tanks. New tanks are now too big for the airplane. + +Scrap the Seawolf SSN-21 nuclear submarine. The breakup of the USSR has +left us with a number of sticky military problems, but NONE of them will +require ""God's gift to submarines"". + +Ground the B-2 stealth bomber. I'm sure it's a great airplane that will do +EVERYTHING its designers said, but at half-a-gigabuck a copy, we can't +afford for even ONE to crash. And airplanes DO crash. + +Elmo Zumwalt said it best 20+ years ago; ""High/Low"". A MIX of a FEW +extremely capable weapons systems and a LOT of CHEAPER, +moderate-capability systems. +-- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Ken Mitchell | The powers not delegated to the United States by the +kmitchel@netcom.com| Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are +Citrus Heights, CA | reserved to the States respectively, or to the People. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- +",18 +2967,"Subject: MIT R5 on Sun with Rasterops TC Colorboard +From: mark@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Mark Davies) +Distribution: world +Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand. +NNTP-Posting-Host: bats.comp.vuw.ac.nz +Lines: 9 + + +Is it possible to run an MIT R5 based Xserver on a Sun with a Rasterops TC +Colorboard (24bit board)? I have the Xsun24 patches for supporting sun's +24bit frame buffers but does the rasterops appear as if its a cgtwelve or +something else? I know nothing about the rasterops other than we might be +buying one to put in an IPX. + +cheers +mark +",5 +1350,"From: bagoly@ludens.elte.hu +Subject: PC/TCP onpredir with Windows +Organization: Eotvos University, Budapest, Hungary +Lines: 14 + +Hello, + +We are having troubles using the PC/TCP onpredir (printer redirection program +with lpr support) with the Windows print manager. The onpredir simply waits +an do only the capture till the end of the Windows session, while after some +printer inactivity it should start the printing. + Does anybody uses this two programs together? + + Thanks, + Zsolt +* Zsolt Bagoly Dept. of Atomic Physics, Eotvos University * +* Budapest, Hungary * +* E-mail: zsolt@hercules.elte.hu (ELTENET) * +* bagoly@ludens.elte.hu (ELTENET, Internet) * +",2 +11031,"From: keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.) +Subject: Re: Spreading Christianity (Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor) +Nntp-Posting-Host: hermes.acm.rpi.edu +Reply-To: keegan@hermes.acm.rpi.edu +Organization: T.S.A.K.C. +Lines: 15 + +nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes: + +->I addressed most of the key issues in this very long (284 lines) post +->by Dean Kaflowitz in two posts yesterday. The first was made into the +->title post of a new thread, ""Is Dean Kaflowitz terminally irony-impaired?"" +->and the second, more serious one appeared along the thread +->""A Chaney Post, and a Challenge, reissued and revised"" + +if you're so insecure about people reading your posts +that you feel the need to write new posts announcing +what you wrote in old, posts, why bother? accept it +PHoney, you're a laughingstock. + + + +",19 +2894,"From: chatterj@haji.lcs.mit.EDU (Shash Chatterjee) +Subject: Help: SunView on olwm/xview3/X11R5 +Article-I.D.: haji.9304051753.AA05339 +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 23 +NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu +To: xpert%expo.lcs.mit.edu@fin.lcs.mit.edu + + +Hi, + +I just compiled the X11R5 distribution for a Sun3/SunOS4.1.1. I also +compiled the public domain xview3 (with olwm) distribution. I have some +old 3rd-party application binaries that are SunView programs. How do I +get them to work under xview3 and olwm? (I tried using the OpenWindows +version 2 ""svenv"" program, but it did not work.) + +I do not have news access....that's why I am mailing this directly. Also, +is there an email alias where my questions can get to comp.windows.x or +comp.windows.open-look? PLEASE RESPOND TO fwr8bv@fin.af.mil + +Thanks, +Shash + ++-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ++ Shash Chatterjee EMAIL: fwr8bv@fin.af.mil + ++ EC Software PHONE: (817) 763-1495 + ++ Lockheed Fort Worth Company FAX: (817) 777-2115 + ++ P.O. Box 748, MZ1719 + ++ Ft. Worth, TX 76101 + ++-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +",5 +6676,"From: geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoffrey Kuenning) +Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. +Nntp-Posting-Host: ogmore.cs.ucla.edu +Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department +Distribution: na +Lines: 18 + +In article <2073@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: + +> fishing expeditions without the target's knowlege. Don't give up the +> right to be safe from that - that should be non-negotiable, and Clinton +> and Co. know it (which is probably why they quietly developed this thing, +> figuring if they get it this far, they can ram it on through). + +It always amazes me how quick people are to blame whatever +administration is current for things they couldn't possibly have +initiated. This chip had to take *years* to develop, yet already +we're claiming that the Clinton administration sneaked it in on us. +Bullshit. The *Bush* administration and the career Gestapo were +responsible for this horror, and the careerists presented it to the +new presidency as a fait accompli. That doesn't excuse Clinton and +Gore from criticism for being so stupid as to go for it, but let's lay +the body at the proper door to start with. +-- + Geoff Kuenning geoff@maui.cs.ucla.edu geoff@ITcorp.com +",11 +806,"From: oved3b@kih.no (Ove Petter Tro) +Subject: Re: need a viewer for gl files +Organization: Kongsberg College of Engineering +Lines: 16 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: knoll.kih.no + +In article <1qu36i$kh7@dux.dundee.ac.uk>, dwestner@cardhu.mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Dominik Westner) writes: +|> the subject says it all. Is there a PD viewer for gl files (for X)? + +Try xviewgl. +(filename xviewgl_v1.1.tar.Z on lots of bases) + +- Ove +-- +- ----------==========###########==========-------- - + // | ""What do you think + \X/ (Yep, me too...) | this is? Real life?"" +Ove Petter Tro, | - Ford Fairlane. +Kongsberg College | +of Engineering, Norway | email: ovep@kih.no +- ----------==========###########==========-------- - + +",1 +910,"Organization: Penn State University +From: +Subject: Targa format-->text file +Lines: 7 + + Does anyone know how to convert a targa or similar 24 bit picture into a list + of R G B values and then convert back to targa after doing operations on the p +ixels R G B codes. +ex. Targa ---->000100255pixel 1 +001200201pixel 2etc.... +If no one can help me with this could someone explain how the 24 bit data is st +ored in the targa file and also how its stored in the 8 bit targas. Thanks +",1 +7243,"From: Mark-Tarbell@suite.com +Subject: Switch-mode power supply +Organization: Suite Software +Lines: 17 +Reply-To: suite!tarbell@uunet.uu.net +NNTP-Posting-Host: gilgamesh.suite.com + +Is there a typical component or set of components +that are at fault when a switch mode power supply +goes south? + +The supply is for a disk drive. Any general hints +would be appreciated! + +Thanks! +Mark-Tarbell@suite.com +at fault when a switch mode power supply +goes south? + +The supply is for a disk drive. Any general hints +would be appreciated! + +Thanks! +Mark-Tarbell@s$$BVh(J +",12 +5875,"From: patchman@lion.WPI.EDU (Peter Bruce Harper) +Subject: Personal to Ulf Samuellsson +Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute +Lines: 22 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: lion.wpi.edu + + +Dear Ulf, + + Would you possibly consider helpiMontreal Canadiens fans everywhere +by throwing a knee-check in the direction of Denis Savard during your upcoming +game against Montreal? We just can't seem to win WITH him! + + Thanx alot, + Pete H. + + +:-) + + +############################################################################### +!Pete Harper ! Baby, baby don't you hesitate 'cause I just can't wait! +!patchman@wpi.wpi.edu ! Lady once you get me down on my knees, ! +!OR ! then you can do what you please . . . ! +!U_HARPER@jake.wpi.edu! COME ON AND LOVE ME! ! +! ! -Skid Row, ""Come On and Love Me"" ! +******************************************************************************* + +",10 +3275,"From: barnett@grymoire.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett) +Subject: Re: Title for XTerm +In-Reply-To: lanzo@tekelec.com's message of Thu, 22 Apr 1993 17:35:46 GMT +Nntp-Posting-Host: grymoire.crd.ge.com +Reply-To: barnett@crdgw1.ge.com +Organization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY + <1993Apr22.173546.5198@gecko.uucp> + +In article <1993Apr22.173546.5198@gecko.uucp> lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo) writes: + + [Hint for Sun OS users: use /usr/5bin/echo instead of + /bin/echo or Csh's built-in echo. Otherwise you'll have + to embed literal ESC and BEL characters in the string + instead of using convenient octal sequences.] + +Bad idea. using /usr/5bin/echo is slower than the built-in echo. +This is what I do. It does execute `hostname` once per shell window, +and does read in one extra file. But manipluating the titles does not +require executing extra programs. + +Oh yes, it does execute some programs once per each system. +But it stores them in a file for the next time... + + +if ( ! $?HOSTNAME ) then + setenv HOSTNAME `hostname` +endif + +# figure how how to generate escape, bell, +# and echo commands without a a line terminator +# I may have done this before. If so, the variable E is set + +# have I executed this script before on this system? +if ( $?E ) then +# echo ""already set the echo variables"">/dev/tty +else if ( -f ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} ) then + source ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} +else if ( `echo -n |wc -l` == 0 ) then +# echo ""built in echo is bsd"" >/dev/tty + # then berkeley style echo + echo 'set ech = ""echo -n""' >~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} + echo ""set E = `echo a | tr a '\033'`"" >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} + echo ""set B = `echo a | tr a '\007'`"" >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} + echo 'set N = """"' >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} + source ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} +else +# echo ""built in echo is sysV"" >/dev/tty + echo 'set ech = ""echo""' >~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} + echo 'set E = ""\033""' >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} + echo 'set B = ""\007""' >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} + echo 'set N = ""\c""' >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} + source ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} +endif + + +# Are we using shelltool, cmdtool or xterm? +# duplicate these aliases here to avoid problems +if ( $term =~ sun* ) then + # Sun Aliases + alias Header '${ech} ""${E}]l\!:1${E}\${N}""' + alias IHeader '${ech} ""${E}]L\!:1${E}\${N}""' +else if ( $term =~ xterm ) then + alias Header '${ech} ""${E}]2;\!:1${B}${N}""' + alias IHeader '${ech} ""${E}]1;\!:1${B}${N}""' +endif + + + +-- +Bruce Barnett uunet!crdgw1!barnett +",5 +597,"From: rosa@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (massimo rossi) +Subject: 3d studio works changes!!!! +Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University +Lines: 28 + + hi guys + like all people in this group i'm a fans of fractal and render sw + my favourite are fractint pov & 3dstudio 2.0 + now listen my ideas + i'have just starting now to be able to use 3dstudio quite well + so i'm simulating a full animation of a f1 grand prix + unfortanatly just some lap(10?) + i' m very interested about all kind of .prj .3ds and so on + concerning about cars or parts of its (motors wheel ...) + (dxf are good enough) + does anyone have object to give me to complete my hard animation + + + anyway any exchanges about object material project will + be VERY APRECIATE!!!!! + + is there a ftp site where I can find its? + + i' m looking for .pov files too + (i 'm interested about cpu time comparision rendering images on + pov & 3dstusio) + + thank to all + + + email me at rosa@ghost.sm.dsi.unimi.it + + +",1 +2385,"From: pritchet@cs.scarolina.edu (Ronald W. Pritchett) +Subject: CD-ROM for a quadra... +Organization: USC Department of Computer Science +Distribution: comp +Lines: 17 + +would there be any problems with hooking up a Toshiba 3401 external CD-ROM +drive to a 700? + + +Ron + + + +============================================================================== +| 'Hey Jack the Ripper, | +| won't you come on over and | +| hook me up to the power lines of your love.' - Jethro Tull | +|----------------------------------------------------------------------------| +| Ron Pritchett Internet: pritchet@ash.cs.scarolina.edu | +| FidoNet: Ron Pritchett @ 1:376/74.0 | +============================================================================== + +",4 +8961,"From: Desiree_Bradley@mindlink.bc.ca (Desiree Bradley) +Subject: Doing the work of God??!!) +Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada +Lines: 33 + +As our local.religion.christian BBS group seems moribund, I'm posting here. + +On one of the Sundays just before Easter I went to church. The sermon was +based on a story in the Book of Joshua. (The one about Joshua sending out +spies to the land he was planning to take) What I particularly remember, +because of having heard part of a CBC radio documentary on Bosnia, was that +the Rahab (the woman who sheltered the spies) said that the people were +""melting in fear."" What with having heard that CBC radio documentary and +knowing that the Muslims in Bosnia were losing the war, I felt +uncomfortable. After all, the Serbs are driving non-Christians out. On +the other hand, ministers do say that the Bible is opposed to the values +held by our secular society. Anyhow members of that church are involved in +out-of-country missionary work. Also, the pastor has talked of spiritual +warfare and of bringing Christ to the nonreligious people of our area. + +The next Sunday, the sermon was about Joshua 6 (where the Israelites +take Jericho and then proceed to massacre everybody there --- except +for Rahab, who had sheltered the spies). With those reports about +Bosnia in my mind, I felt uncomfortable about the minister saying that +the massacre (the one in Joshua) was right. But what really bothered +me was that, if I was going to try taking Christianity seriously, I +shouldn't be so troubled about the reports of ""ethnic cleansing"" in +Bosnia. Certainly, my sympathies shouldn't be with the Moslims. +Considering that the Bosnian Muslims are descendants of Christians +who, under Turkish rule, converted to Islam could the Serbs be doing +God's work? + +[The example of God's people setting out on bloody wars of conquest +has always been troubling in discussions here. I personally question +whether they were right even at the time. But those who believe they +were consider that the wars were justified only because they were +specifically commanded by God. Somehow I don't see the Serbs behaving +like a group that is led by God in this matter. --clh] +",15 +1523,"From: gibsonm@cs.arizona.edu (Matthew H Gibson) +Subject: WIN 3.1 comm drivers replacements (question) +Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson +Lines: 14 + + +Has anyone had any experience with a replacement comm driver for windows +called TurboComm. I read about it in PCMag Apr 23 1993 and am interested +but not willing to shell out the 45 bucks the company wants just to try it +out. It supposedly eleminates the problems that occur during a high speed +file transfer and a disk access made by another program running at the same +time. If anyone has any pro/cons about this product, i would be very inter +ested to hear them. Please Email at the address give below. THANKS. + +Matthew Gibson +gibsonm@cs.arizona.edu +. + + +",2 +5052,"From: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) +Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase) +Keywords: CB900C, purchase, advice +Reply-To: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) +Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory +Lines: 29 + +-- +In article <1993Apr16.005131.29830@ncsu.edu>, jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu +(JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes: +|>> +|>>>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull +|>>>info available on this newsgroup. I would ask how to get my own DoD number, +|>>>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-). +|>> +|>> Does this count? +|> +|>Yes. He thought about it. +|>> +|>>$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s ""HAHAHHA"" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press +|>> return...) + +Hey, c'mon guys (and gals), I chose my words very carefully and even +tried to get my FAQ's straight. Don't holler BOHICA at me! + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +| |\/\/\/| ___________________ | +| | | / \ | +| | | / Jamie W. Burnside \ 1980 CB900 Custom | +| | (o)(o) ( jburnside@ll.mit.edu ) 1985 KDX200 (SOLD!) | +| C _) / \_____________________/ 1978 CB400 (for sale) | +| | ,___| / | +| | / | +| / __\ | +| / \ | +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +",8 +8245,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) +Subject: Re: Abyss: breathing fluids +Article-I.D.: access.1psghn$s7r +Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA +Lines: 19 +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net + +In article enf021@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Achurist) writes: +| +|I believe the reason is that the lung diaphram gets too tired to pump +|the liquid in and out and simply stops breathing after 2-3 minutes. +|So if your in the vehicle ready to go they better not put you on +|hold, or else!! That's about it. Remember a liquid is several more times +|as dense as a gas by its very nature. ~10 I think, depending on the gas +|and liquid comparision of course! + + +Could you use some sort of mechanical chest compression as an aid. +Sorta like the portable Iron Lung? Put some sort of flex tubing +around the 'aquanauts' chest. Cyclically compress it and it will +push enough on the chest wall to support breathing????? + +You'd have to trust your breather, but in space, you have to trust +your suit anyway. + +pat +",14 +6057,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) +Subject: Rangers give NHL another blackeye... +Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department +Lines: 10 + +News reports in Toronto say that the Rangers are insisting that +Kovalev, Zubov, and Andersson play for Binghampton in the Calder +Cup playoffs, rather than return to play for their ""home"" countries +in the World Championships. + +...shame on the Rangers. + +Another black eye for the NHL in Europe. + +Gerald +",10 +3545,"From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu () +Subject: Re: Printing +Organization: University of California, Berkeley +Lines: 28 +NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu + +In article <1993Apr15.053905.16811@sarah.albany.edu> me9574@albnyvms.bitnet writes: + +[advertises his printing business] + +Oh, dear. Let me be the first on my block. + +You have just violated one of the major shibboleths of the Usenet groups: +you're not supposed to use a newsgroup to plug your own commercial +enterprise (of _any_ kind; people frequently get flamed for announcing +they've got a new book out.) + +I don't know whether this is an official Usenet rule or just a long- +standing custom, and it doesn't make much difference from a practical +point of view. + +So please don't do it again. + +And all you others, who are even now taking keyboard in hand to flame +him off the face of the earth--lay off. He didn't know any better. +He does now. + + +Dorothy J. Heydt +UC Berkeley +cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu + +Disclaimer: UCB and the Cozzarelli lab are not responsible for my +opinions, and in fact I don't think they know I have any. +",6 +5478,"From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) +Subject: Baseball spreads? +Nntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu +Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder +Lines: 8 + +How does one read the betting spreads for baseball? They tend to be something +like 8-9 which means it must not be runs! + +Thanks. +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +",9 +7278,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) +Subject: Re: Public-domain circuits in commercial applications +Organization: U of Toronto Zoology +Lines: 31 + +In article <1993Apr13.164924.2606@wuecl.wustl.edu> dp@cec1.wustl.edu (David Prutchi) writes: +>Can circuits found in electronics magazines (with no patent disclaimer) +>be used legally as subcircuits of a commercial unit ? + +There are two issues here: copyright and patent. + +The magazine article's contents are copyrighted, and may not be reproduced, +translated, etc., without the copyright holder's permission. However, this +does not cover the *ideas* expressed, only the form of expression. Copying +their circuit diagram or PC-board pattern is copyright infringement. But +it's unlikely that they could stretch copyright far enough to claim that +the circuit design itself is copyrighted. So long as you draw your own +diagrams and lay out your own boards, copyright shouldn't be an issue. + +Patents are different. The author does *not* have to give you any warning +that the design is covered by patent (although it would be sensible for +him to do so). In fact, it's possible that *he* was infringing on someone +else's patent without realizing it. Ignorance of the patented status is +not a defence against infringement, although it might reduce the damages +a court would award. + +However... unless there was something seriously novel about the circuit, +almost certainly it is ""obvious to one skilled in the art"" and therefore +unpatentable. Routine engineering is not patentable; patents (in theory) +cover only inventions, ideas that are genuinely new. + +Caution: I am not a lawyer. Consulting a professional would be wise if +significant amounts of money are at stake. +-- +All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology + - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry +",12 +1525,"From: edmoore@vcd.hp.com (Ed Moore) +Subject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... +Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 +Lines: 9 + +thomas.d.fellrath.1@nd.edu@nd.edu wrote: + +: The key issue that I bought my BJ-200 on was ink drying speed. You really +: have to try awful hard to get the BJ-200 ink to smear. The HP DeskJets need +: 10-15 seconds to completely dry. In both cases, however, do not get your +: pages wet. Unlike laser printers, the material on your pages is INK, not +: toner. But that should go without saying. + +I think the ink now used in the DeskJet family is water-fast. +",2 +6366,"From: richard@amc.com (Richard Wernick) +Subject: Re: Ulf and all... +Organization: Applied Microsystems, Redmond, WA +Lines: 20 + +You should be ashamed to call yourself an Ulf Samuelson fan. Anybody who plays +the way he does, does not belong in the NHL. There have been cheap shot artists +through the history of the game, but a lot of them have been talanted players. +Bobby Clarke, Kenny Linsemen, Pie McKenzie, Chris Chelios etc.. but nobody has been +out right as dirty a cheapshot coward as Ulf. Violence in hockey has got to be curbed +and players like (Should have been a Women) Samuelson don't belong. When players +like Ulf, who's main purpose is to injure the better players in the league is allowed +to continue, and the league won't stop it, the players should. A Christian Pro 1000 +aluminum stick directed at his ugly head should do the trick nicely. If the Bruins get +a chance to meet Pittsburgh in the near future, you can bet Neely will have his day. +The sight of watching Ulf turtle up like the coward he is, is worth almost as much as a +Stanely Cup. This wimp of a player almost ruined the career of one the best right wingers +in the game. If you are to remove Ulf Samuelson from the lineup, the Penguins would not +even notice he's gone. He's an eyesore on the game of hockey. + + +Rich + + + +",10 +6397,"From: warlord@MIT.EDU (Derek Atkins) +Subject: Re: disk safety measure? +Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology +Lines: 33 + <1pq0re$gc2@network.ucsd.edu> +NNTP-Posting-Host: steve-dallas.mit.edu +In-reply-to: loki@sdphu3.ucsd.edu's message of 5 Apr 93 19:21:18 GMT + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- + +In article <1pq0re$gc2@network.ucsd.edu> loki@sdphu3.ucsd.edu (Lance M Cottrell) writes: + + BTW I have not been able to get pgp to produce a signature + that I can attatch to the end of this message. What is + the procedure? Thanks. + +try: + pgp -sat +clearsig=on + +This will do the clearsig signing... + +Enjoy! + +- -derek + +PGP 2 key available upon request on the key-server: + pgp-public-keys@toxicwaste.mit.edu + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: 2.2 + +iQBuAgUBK8DNazh0K1zBsGrxAQFoZQLEC/XKXMoDhCPf/AZ3aOQSLfz+6w400UDk +Ng6prxnPuEuSZQEiiusMCVcRcGnWbaVrxFjA1o4yubh01Czcg3ZC9wLJolXlxJn7 +iSJh/eTZxmJnNynJxlGs0Ao= +=4eZb +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +-- + Derek Atkins, MIT '93, Electrical Engineering and Computer Science + Secretary, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) + MIT Media Laboratory, Speech Research Group + warlord@MIT.EDU PP-ASEL N1NWH +",11 +2997,"From: rlm@helen.surfcty.com (Robert L. McMillin) +Subject: Is it just me, or is this newsgroup dead? +Organization: Surf City Software/TBFW Project +Lines: 8 + +I've gotten very few posts on this group in the last couple days. (I +recently added it to my feed list.) Is it just me, or is this group +near death? +-- + +Robert L. McMillin | Surf City Software | rlm@helen.surfcty.com | Dude! +#include + +",5 +4613,"From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) +Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries +Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth +Lines: 35 +Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 + + +In article <1pcl6i$e4i@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ravi@vanilla.WPI.EDU (Ravi Narayan) writes: +>In a previous article, groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu said: +>= azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes: +>= +>= >2) Why do they ride Harleys? +>= +>= 'cause we can. +>= +> +> you sure are lucky! i am told that there are very few people out +> there who can actually get their harley to ride ;-) (the name tod +> johnson jumps to the indiscreet mind... laz whats it you used to +> ride???). +> +> +>-- +>----------_________----------_________----------_________----------_________ +>sig (n): a piece of mail with a fool at one | Ravi Narayan, CS, WPI +> end and flames at the other. (C). | 89 SuzukiGS500E - Phaedra ;) +>__________---------__________---------__________---------__________--------- + +Hi, Ravi + +If you need a Harley, we have lots to spare here. All the yuppies +bought 'the best' a couple of years ago to pose at the (s)wine +bar. They 'rode a mile and walked the rest'. Called a taxi home and +went back to the porsche. So there's are loads going cheap with about +1 1/2 miles on the clock (takes a while to coast to a halt). + +Cheers + +Andy + +P.S. You get a better class of people on GS500's anyway +",8 +930,"From: bockamp@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Florian Bockamp) +Subject: WANTED: Matrox PG-1281 CV driver +Originator: bockamp@hphalle2g.informatik.tu-muenchen.de +Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany +Lines: 24 + + + + + +Hi! + +I need a Windows 3.1 driver for the Matrox PG-1281 CV +SVGA card. +At the moment Windows runs only in the 640x480 mode. +If you have a driver for this card, please send it +with the OEMSETUP.INF to + +bockamp@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE + +Thanks! + +-- ++-----------------------------------------------------------------+ +| Florian Bockamp ''' | +| bockamp@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (o o) | ++---------------------------------------------oOO--( )--OOo-------+ +| - | +| ""It's not a bug, it's an undocumented feature!"" | ++-----------------------------------------------------------------+ +",1 +1264,"From: wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W) +Subject: Re: 486/33 WIN3.1 HANG +Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam +Lines: 19 + +10748539@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (CHARLES CHOONG) writes: + +>HELP, PROBLEM 486/33MHZ HANGS IN EXTENDED MODE TRYING TO +>ACCESS DRIVES A: OR B: , SOMETIMES IT WILL DO DIR , SOMETIMES WILL HANG +>ON ACCESS SOMETIMES WILL WHEN TYING A TEXT FILE. + +>HARDWARE: +>AMERICAN MEGATREND MOTHERBOARD +>AMI BIOS 91 +>CONNER 85MB HARD DRIVE +>TRIDENT 1 MEG SVGA + +>PLEASE HELP!!! +>ITS OK IN STANDARD MODE!!! + +I have the same problem. Someone suggested it might be a BIOS bug. +Gonna check with my supplier tomorrow. I'll tell you if it helps. + +Wouter. +",2 +5458,"From: rjh@allegra.att.com (Robert Holt) +Subject: Re: ALL-TIME BEST PLAYERS +Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ +Lines: 78 + +In article <1993Apr15.162313.154828@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jsr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOHN STEPHEN RANDOLPH) writes: +>In article <1993Apr13.115313.17986@bsu-ucs>, 00mbstultz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes +>: +>>I've recently been working on project to determine the greatest +>>players at their respective postions. My sources are Total Baseball, +>>James' Historical Abstract, The Ballplayers (biography), word of +>>mouth, and my own (biased) opinions... +>> +>>Feel free to comment, suggest, flame (whatever)...but I tried +>>to be as objective as possible, using statistical data not inlcuded +>>for time/convience's sake. (I judged on Rel. BA, Adj OPS, Total Average, +>>fielding range/runs, total player rating (Total Baseball), stolen bases +>>(for curiosity's sake), TPR/150 g, and years played/MVP. +>> +>>3B +>> 1) Mike Schmidt +>> 2) Ed Matthews +One ""t"" in ""Eddie Mathews""! +>> 3) George Brett +>> 4) Wade Boggs +>> 5) Ron Santo +>> 6) Brooks Robinson +>> 7) Frank Baker +>> 8) Darrell Evans +>> 9) Pie Traynor +>>10) Ray Dandridge +>> +>How can Brooks be # 6? I think he would at least be ahead of Ron Santo. +> +Because a small advantage in fielding ability comes nowhere near +making up for the large difference in hitting. Their average +seasons, using their combined average 656 (AB + BB) per 162 games: + + Years AB H R 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB AVG OBP SLG OPS +Santo 14.10 577 160 81 26 5 24 94 268 79 .277 .366 .464 .830 +Robinson 17.55 607 162 70 27 4 15 77 243 49 .267 .325 .401 .726 + +Fielding, we have, per 162 games at third, + + Years P A DP E PCT +Santo 13.15 149 348 30 24 .954 +Robinson 17.72 152 350 35 15 .971 + +Even if Robinson's extra 3 putouts, 2 assists, and 5 DPs are taken to mean +he was responsible for 10 more outs in the field, that doesn't make up +for the extra 28 outs he made at the plate, not to mention the fewer +total bases. The difference of .104 in OPS should be decreased by about +.025 to account for Wrigley, but a .079 difference is still considerable. +The Thorn & Palmer ratings are + + Adjusted Adjusted Stolen Fielding Total + Production Batting Runs Base Runs Runs Rating +Santo 123 284 -14 137 41.7 +Robinson 105 52 -5 151 19.8 (26.3) +Usual disclaimers about T&P's FR apply, but they really shouldn't be +way off the mark in this comparison. At least it's better than fielding +percentage: Carney Lansford has a .966 , 10th best all-time, but -225 FR, +dead last of all time. Also, since this total rating compares players +to league average instead of replacement level, Robinson should be +awarded an extra 6.5 or so for playing 653 more games. He had a great +career, but I would prefer Santo's plus 4 years of a replacement level 3Bman. + +But I would knock Traynor off the list and replace him by Stan Hack. +That's a similar story, Hack's far better hitting outweighs Traynor's +superior fielding. Graig Nettles and Buddy Bell would also be better +choices (IMHO of course, though some recent net discussion supports +this point of view.) +> +>>CF +>> 7) Andre Dawson + +Shouldn't that be right field? + +-- ++-----------------------+ +| Bob Holt | +| rjh@allegra.att.com | ++-----------------------+ +",9 +8175,"Subject: Diffs to sci.space/sci.astro Frequently Asked Questions +From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) +Expires: 6 May 1993 19:50:16 GMT +Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill +Supersedes: +NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu +Lines: 294 + +Archive-name: space/diff + +DIFFS SINCE LAST FAQ POSTING (IN POSTING ORDER) + +(These are hand-edited context diffs; do not attempt to use them to patch +old copies of the FAQ). + +=================================================================== +diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.intro +*** /tmp/,RCSt1a06400 Thu Apr 1 14:47:22 1993 +--- FAQ.intro Thu Apr 1 14:46:55 1993 +*************** +*** 101,107 **** + NASA Langley (Technical Reports) + NASA Spacelink + National Space Science Data Center +- Space And Planetary Image Facility + Space Telescope Science Institute Electronic Info. Service + Starcat + Astronomical Databases +--- 101,106 ---- +*************** +*** 130,135 **** +--- 129,135 ---- + LLNL ""great exploration"" + Lunar Prospector + Lunar science and activities ++ Orbiting Earth satellite histories + Spacecraft models + Rocket propulsion + Spacecraft design + +=================================================================== +diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.net +*** /tmp/,RCSt1a06405 Thu Apr 1 14:47:24 1993 +--- FAQ.net Thu Apr 1 14:46:57 1993 +*************** +*** 58,63 **** +--- 58,67 ---- + elements are sent out on the list from Dr. Kelso, JSC, and other sources + as they are released. Email to elements-request@telesoft.com to join. + ++ GPS Digest is a moderated list for discussion of the Global Positioning ++ System and other satellite navigation positioning systems. Email to ++ gps-request@esseye.si.com to join. ++ + Space-investors is a list for information relevant to investing in + space-related companies. Email Vincent Cate (vac@cs.cmu.edu) to join. + +*************** +*** 223,227 **** +--- 227,241 ---- + 1030. If in fact you should should learn of unauthorized access, contact + NASA personnel. + ++ Claims have been made on this news group about fraud and waste. None ++ have ever been substantiated to any significant degree. Readers ++ detecting Fraud, Waste, Abuse, or Mismanagement should contact the NASA ++ Inspector General (24-hours) at 800-424-9183 (can be anonymous) or write ++ ++ NASA ++ Inspector General ++ P.O. Box 23089 ++ L'enfant Plaza Station ++ Washington DC 20024 + + NEXT: FAQ #3/15 - Online (and some offline) sources of images, data, etc. + +=================================================================== +diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.data +*** /tmp/,RCSt1a06410 Thu Apr 1 14:47:26 1993 +--- FAQ.data Thu Apr 1 14:46:54 1993 +*************** +*** 216,237 **** + Telephone: (301) 286-6695 + + Email address: request@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov +- +- +- SPACE AND PLANETARY IMAGE FACILITY +- +- Available 24 hours a day via anonymous FTP from pioneer.unm.edu. Has +- approximately 150 CD-ROM's full of imagery, raw, and tabular data. To +- start, get the file: +- +- pioneer.unm.edu:pub/info/beginner-info +- +- This will hopefully give you all of the information you need to get data +- from their machine. beginner-info has been translated to other +- languages, you should look inside pub/info for the particular language +- that meets your needs. +- +- Contact help@pioneer.unm.edu. + + + SPACE TELESCOPE SCIENCE INSTITUTE ELECTRONIC INFORMATION SERVICE +--- 216,221 ---- + +=================================================================== +diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.math +*** /tmp/,RCSt1a06415 Thu Apr 1 14:47:28 1993 +--- FAQ.math Thu Apr 1 14:46:56 1993 +*************** +*** 60,65 **** +--- 60,71 ---- + Gives series to compute positions accurate to 1 arc minute for a + period + or - 300 years from now. Pluto is included but stated to + have an accuracy of only about 15 arc minutes. ++ ++ _Multiyear Interactive Computer Almanac_ (MICA), produced by the US ++ Naval Observatory. Valid for years 1990-1999. $55 ($80 outside US). ++ Available for IBM (order #PB93-500163HDV) or Macintosh (order ++ #PB93-500155HDV). From the NTIS sales desk, (703)-487-4650. I believe ++ this is intended to replace the USNO's Interactive Computer Ephemeris. + + _Interactive Computer Ephemeris_ (from the US Naval Observatory) + distributed on IBM-PC floppy disks, $35 (Willmann-Bell). Covers dates + +=================================================================== +diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.references +*** /tmp/,RCSt1a06420 Thu Apr 1 14:47:30 1993 +--- FAQ.references Thu Apr 1 14:46:59 1993 +*************** +*** 93,100 **** + US Naval Observatory + 202-653-1079 (USNO Bulletin Board via modem) + 202-653-1507 General +- 202-653-1545 Nautical Almanac Office (info on the Interactive +- Computer Ephemeris) + + Willmann-Bell + P.O. Box 35025 +--- 93,98 ---- +*************** +*** 138,151 **** + SDI's SSRT (Single Stage Rocket Technology) project has funded a + suborbital technology demonstrator called DC-X that should fly in + mid-1993. Further development towards an operational single-stage to +! orbit vehicle is uncertain at present; for considerably more detail on +! the SSRT program, get the document + +! ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/FAQ/DeltaClipper + +! by anonymous FTP or through the email server. + + + HOW TO NAME A STAR AFTER A PERSON + + Official names are decided by committees of the International +--- 136,151 ---- + SDI's SSRT (Single Stage Rocket Technology) project has funded a + suborbital technology demonstrator called DC-X that should fly in + mid-1993. Further development towards an operational single-stage to +! orbit vehicle (called Delta Clipper) is uncertain at present. + +! An collection of pictures and files relating to DC-X is available by +! anonymous FTP or email server in the directory + +! bongo.cc.utexas.edu:pub/delta-clipper + ++ Chris W. Johnson (chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu) maintains the archive. + ++ + HOW TO NAME A STAR AFTER A PERSON + + Official names are decided by committees of the International +*************** +*** 223,228 **** +--- 223,236 ---- + University Press, 1970. Information about the Lunar Orbiter missions, + including maps of the coverage of the lunar nearside and farside by + various Orbiters. ++ ++ ++ ORBITING EARTH SATELLITE HISTORIES ++ ++ A list of Earth orbiting satellites (that are still in orbit) is ++ available by anonymous FTP in: ++ ++ ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/FAQ/Satellites + + + SPACECRAFT MODELS + +=================================================================== +diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.addresses +*** /tmp/,RCSt1a06435 Thu Apr 1 14:47:34 1993 +--- FAQ.addresses Thu Apr 1 14:46:51 1993 +*************** +*** 75,80 **** +--- 75,85 ---- + the latter, an SF 171 is useless. Employees are Caltech employees, + contractors, and for the most part have similar responsibilities. + They offer an alternative to funding after other NASA Centers. ++ ++ A fact sheet and description of JPL is available by anonymous ++ FTP in ++ ++ ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/FAQ/JPLDescription + + NASA Johnson Manned Space Center (JSC) + Houston, TX 77058 + +=================================================================== +diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.new_probes +*** /tmp/,RCSt1a06450 Thu Apr 1 14:47:38 1993 +--- FAQ.new_probes Thu Apr 1 14:46:58 1993 +*************** +*** 8,13 **** +--- 8,19 ---- + team, ISAS/NASDA launch schedules, press kits. + + ++ ASUKA (ASTRO-D) - ISAS (Japan) X-ray astronomy satellite, launched into ++ Earth orbit on 2/20/93. Equipped with large-area wide-wavelength (1-20 ++ Angstrom) X-ray telescope, X-ray CCD cameras, and imaging gas ++ scintillation proportional counters. ++ ++ + CASSINI - Saturn orbiter and Titan atmosphere probe. Cassini is a joint + NASA/ESA project designed to accomplish an exploration of the Saturnian + system with its Cassini Saturn Orbiter and Huygens Titan Probe. Cassini +*************** +*** 98,115 **** + + + MAGELLAN - Venus radar mapping mission. Has mapped almost the entire +! surface at high resolution. Currently (11/92) in mapping cycle 4, +! collecting a global gravity map. + + + MARS OBSERVER - Mars orbiter including 1.5 m/pixel resolution camera. +! Launched 9/24/92 on a Titan III/TOS booster. MO is currently (3/93) in + transit to Mars, arriving on 8/24/93. Operations will start 11/93 for + one martian year (687 days). + + +! TOPEX/Poseidon - Joint US/French Earth observing satellite, launched in +! August 1992 on an Ariane 4 booster. The primary objective of the + TOPEX/POSEIDON project is to make precise and accurate global + observations of the sea level for several years, substantially + increasing understanding of global ocean dynamics. The satellite also +--- 104,121 ---- + + + MAGELLAN - Venus radar mapping mission. Has mapped almost the entire +! surface at high resolution. Currently (4/93) collecting a global gravity +! map. + + + MARS OBSERVER - Mars orbiter including 1.5 m/pixel resolution camera. +! Launched 9/25/92 on a Titan III/TOS booster. MO is currently (4/93) in + transit to Mars, arriving on 8/24/93. Operations will start 11/93 for + one martian year (687 days). + + +! TOPEX/Poseidon - Joint US/French Earth observing satellite, launched +! 8/10/92 on an Ariane 4 booster. The primary objective of the + TOPEX/POSEIDON project is to make precise and accurate global + observations of the sea level for several years, substantially + increasing understanding of global ocean dynamics. The satellite also + +=================================================================== +diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.astronaut +*** /tmp/,RCSt1a06465 Thu Apr 1 14:47:43 1993 +--- FAQ.astronaut Thu Apr 1 14:46:52 1993 +*************** +*** 162,174 **** + specific standards: + + Distant visual acuity: +! 20/100 or better uncorrected, + correctable to 20/20, each eye. + + Blood pressure: + 140/90 measured in sitting position. + +! 3. Height between 60 and 76 inches. + + Pilot Astronaut Candidate: + +--- 162,174 ---- + specific standards: + + Distant visual acuity: +! 20/150 or better uncorrected, + correctable to 20/20, each eye. + + Blood pressure: + 140/90 measured in sitting position. + +! 3. Height between 58.5 and 76 inches. + + Pilot Astronaut Candidate: +",14 +979,"From: sts@mfltd.co.uk (Steve Sherwood (x5543)) +Subject: Re: Virtual Reality for X on the CHEAP! +Reply-To: sts@mfltd.co.uk +Organization: Micro Focus Ltd, Newbury, England +Lines: 39 + +In article <1r6v3a$rj2@fg1.plk.af.mil>, ridout@bink.plk.af.mil (Brian S. Ridout) writes: +|> In article <1993Apr15.134802.21995@mfltd.co.uk>, sts@mfltd.co.uk (Steve Sherwood (x5543)) writes: +|> |> Has anyone got multiverse to work ? +|> |> +|> |> I have built it on 486 svr4, mips svr4s and Sun SparcStation. +|> |> +|> |> There seems to be many bugs in it. The 'dogfight' and 'dactyl' simply do nothing +|> |> (After fixing a bug where a variable is defined twice in two different modules - One needed +|> |> setting to static - else the client core-dumped) +|> |> +|> |> Steve +|> |> -- +|> |> +|> |> Extn 5543, sts@mfltd.co.uk, !uunet!mfocus!sts +|> |> +-----------------------------------+------------------------+ Micro Focus +|> |> | Just like Pariah, I have no name, | rm -rf * | 26 West Street +|> |> | Living in a blaze of obscurity, | ""rum ruff splat"" | Newbury +|> |> | Need courage to survive the day. | | Berkshire +|> |> +-----------------------------------+------------------------+ England +|> |> (A)bort (R)etry (I)nfluence with large hammer +|> I built it on a rs6000 (my only Motif machine) works fine. I added some objects +|> into dogfight so I could get used to flying. This was very easy. +|> All in all Cool!. +|> Brian + +The RS6000 compiler is so forgiving, I think that if you mixed COBOL & pascal +the C compiler still wouldn't complain. :-) + +Steve +-- + + Extn 5543, sts@mfltd.co.uk, !uunet!mfocus!sts ++-----------------------------------+------------------------+ Micro Focus +| Just like Pariah, I have no name, | rm -rf * | 26 West Street +| Living in a blaze of obscurity, | ""rum ruff splat"" | Newbury +| Need courage to survive the day. | | Berkshire ++-----------------------------------+------------------------+ England + (A)bort (R)etry (I)nfluence with large hammer + +",1 +241,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) +Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie +Organization: sgi +Lines: 24 +NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com + +In article <115468@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: +|> In article <1qg79g$kl5@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: +|> +|> >You are amazed that I find it difficult to grasp it when +|> >people justify death-threats against Rushdie with the +|> >claim ""he was born Muslim?"" +|> +|> This is empty rhetoric. I am amazed at your inability to understand what +|> I am saying not that you find it difficult to ""grasp it when people +|> justify death-threats..."". I find it amazing that your ability to +|> consider abstract questions in isolation. You seem to believe in the +|> falsity of principles by the consequence of their abuse. You must *hate* +|> physics! + +You're closer than you might imagine. I certainly despised living +under the Soviet regime when it purported to organize society according +to what they fondly imagined to be the ""objective"" conclusions of +Marxist dialectic. + +But I don't hate Physics so long as some clown doesn't start trying +to control my life on the assumption that we are all interchangeable +atoms, rather than individual human beings. + +jon. +",0 +4549,"From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) +Subject: Re: Best Radar Detector ??? +Organization: Lehigh University +Lines: 38 + +In article <1993Apr10.013011.808@lrc.edu>, burnside_br@lrc.edu writes: +>In article <1993Apr6.225034.7184@opencon.com>, giand@opencon.com (Deepak S. Gia +nchandani) writes: +>> Mubashir Cheema: +>> +>> Don't buy one, that is the best way to avoid tickets, +>> I used to have one and whenever a cop would pull me over, see +>> the thing, give me a ticket. One time my sister was driving, +>> and had it in the glove compartment, it was broken, and she +>> got a ticket. In 1987, I had received 4 tickets because of +>> it, one for my sister (so a total of five). +>> +>> That was five years ago, now I don't have one and Have not +>> gotten a ticket. My driving habits have not changed +>> drastically. Only two days ago I was going 77 MPH on Highway +>> with 55 MPH limit, cop saw me, I break a little, nothing +>> happened (I was driving a Mini-Van, with my family in it). +>> Otherwise, I have Cutlass Supreme, which I do 70 most of the +>> times on the highway. +>> +>> So basically my opnion is not to get one, if you do get pulled +>> over, The cop will hear your excuse, but if you have a radar +>> detecter, he will NOT. (again, this has been my experienc +> +> +>Just get a remote model that is not visible to the cop. But, be sure to get +>front AND rear sensors... +> +You can also just put the detector off to the side on the dash so the cop +doesn't see it right away...Valentine is the best detector by far (as stated +by Car and Driver) and even tells you what direction the radar is coming from. + It also gives the amount of ""threats"" it is picking up, so if you go through + the same place everyday, and it always goes off there, you can glance at the + number of ""threats"" the Valentine is detecting to see if it is a genuine cop. + It's about $300 and you can only get it factory direct..one problem. + Rob Fusi + rwf2@lehigh.edu +-- +",7 +6254,"From: klaty@atchafalaya.engin.umich.edu (Brad Alan Klaty) +Subject: Goalies +Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor +Lines: 10 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: atchafalaya.engin.umich.edu +Originator: klaty@atchafalaya.engin.umich.edu + + +I've heard that you can score on Belfour by shooting high +because he goes down a lot, and on Potvin by shooting high +on him and then getting the rebound in because he plays so +deep in the net. Any truth to these? + + + Brad + +A Wings fan, but no predictions. +",10 +516,"From: d9hh@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Harmsen) +Subject: Re: 16 million vs 65 thousand colors +Nntp-Posting-Host: hacke11.dtek.chalmers.se +Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden +Lines: 37 + +andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew) writes: + +>d9hh@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Harmsen) writes: + +>>1-4 bits per R/G/B gives horrible machbanding visible in almost any picture. + +>>5 bits per R/G/B (32768, 65000 colors) gives visible machbanding + +>>color-gradient picture has _almost_ no machbanding. This color-resolution is + +>>see some small machbanding on the smooth color-gradient picture, but all in all, +>>There _ARE_ situiations where you get visible mach-banding even in +>>a 24 bit card. If +>>you create a very smooth color gradient of dark-green-white-yellow +>>or something and turn +>>up the contrast on the monitor, you will probably see some mach-banding. + +> While I don't mean to damn Henrik's attempt to be helpful here, +>he's using a common misconception that should be corrected. + +> Mach banding will occur for any image. It is not the color +>quantization you see when you don't have enough bits. It is the +>human eye's response to transitions or edges between intensities. +>The result is that colors near the transistion look brighter on +>the brighter side and darker on the darker side. + +>--Andre + +Yeah, of course... The term 'mach banding' was not the correct one, it should've +been 'color quantization effect'. Although a bad color quantization effect could +result in some visible mach-bands on a picture that was smooth before it was +quantizised. + +-- +Henrik Harmsen Internet: d9hh@dtek.chalmers.se + Chalmers University of Technology, Sweden. + ""I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere."" +",1 +7674,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Subject: Re: compartment syndrome - general information, references, etc. +Keywords: compartment syndrome, blood clots +Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science +Lines: 20 + +In article <639@cfdd50.boeing.com> lry1219@cfdd50.boeing.com (Larry Yeagley) writes: +>I have an acquaintance who has been diagnosed as having blood clots and +>""compartment syndrome"". I searched the latest edition of the Columbia medical +>encyclopedia and found nothing. Mosby's medical dictionary gives a very brief +>description which suggests it's an arterial condition. Can someone point me (an + +Compartment syndrome occurs when swelling happens in a ""compartment"" +bounded by fascia. The pressure rises in the compartment and blood +supply and nerves are compromised. The treatment is to open the +compartment surgically. THe most common places for compartment +syndromes are the forearm and calf. It is an emergency, since +if the pressure is not relieved, stuff will die. + + + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +",13 +6214,"Subject: Re: NHLPA poll (partial stats/results) +From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca +Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta +Lines: 10 + +In article Young-Soo Che writes: +>All these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at +>NJD, they are a very deep team, with two very capable goalies, and +>excellent forwards and defensemen. Shooter in Richer, an all around do +>it all in Todd, chef Stasny-master of a thousand dishes, power play + +Kevin Todd is an Oiler and has been one for months. How closely do you follow +the Devils, anyway? Jeez.... + + Alan +",10 +2775,"From: maarten@fwi.uva.nl (Maarten Carels) +Subject: Re: SIMM vs DRAM +Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.fwi.uva.nl +Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam +Lines: 16 + +Arthur.Greene@p6.f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Arthur Greene) writes: +>Can anyone tell me what the difference is between a 256K DRAM chip and a +>256K SIMM? I need the former (I think) to add memory to my Laserwriter +>LS. Someone is offering to sell me 256K SIMMS he removed from an SE, but +>I have a feeling this may not be the correct form of memory. The sockets +>in the Laserwriter look like they want the spidery-shaped chips (there +>are 4 sockets, each with, as I recall, 20 pins, arranged in two rows of 10). +>Believe it or not, I've never actually seen a SIMM. Help appreciated. +A SIMM is a small PCB with DRAM chips soldered on. + +--maarten +-- +In real life: Maarten Carels + Computer Science Department + University of Amsterdam +email: maarten@fwi.uva.nl +",4 +4619,"From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) +Subject: Re: Another question about synthetic engi +Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.020533.6165 +Distribution: usa +Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office +Lines: 21 + +In article <1993Apr5.133542.19077@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, +fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) writes: + +|> Two years ago he went to work for CONRAIL as a mechanic. +|> On the EMD and GE power units (train engines) they NEVER +|> EVER change the oil, just the filters + +I remember seeing an artical on large-engine oil +requirements, and one of the ways of prolonging +the life of the oil was to run through a heated +un-presurized chamber to allow water and volitiles +to boil off. This made such long-term usage of +oil practical. + +Isn't the Discovery channel great!?! + +--- +Curt Howland ""Ace"" DoD#0663 EFF#569 +howland@nsipo.nasa.gov '82 V45 Sabre + Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards, + for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light. +",8 +9001,"From: u9126619@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk +Subject: Could anyone answer this question??? +Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany +Lines: 41 +Cc: u9126619@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk + + + I've heard it said that the accounts we have of Christs life and +ministry in the Gospels were actually written many years after the event. +(About 40 years or so). Is this correct?? If so, why the big time delay?? +I know all scripture is inspired of God, so the time of writing is I suppose +un-important, but I still can't help be curious! + +--------------------------------------------------- +Ivan Thomas Barr + +Contact me at u9126619@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk + +[The Gospels aren't dated, so we can only guess. Luke's prolog is +about the only thing we have from the author describing his process. +The prolog sounds like Luke is from the next generation, and had to do +some investigating. There are traditions passed down verbally that +say a few things about the composition of the Gospels. There are +debates about how reliable these traditions are. They certainly don't +have the status of Scripture, yet scholars tend to take some of them +seriously. One suggests that Mark was based on Peter's sermons, and +was written to preserve them when Peter had died or way about to die. +One tradition about Matthew suggests that a collection of Jesus words +may have been made earlier than the current Gospels. + +In the ancient world, it was much more common to rely on verbal +transmission of information. I think many people would have preferred +to hear about Jesus directly from someone who had known him, and maybe +even from someone who studied directly under such a person, rather +than from a book. Thus I suspect that the Gospels are largely from a +period when these people were beginning to die. Scholars generally do +think there was some written material earlier, which was probably used +as sources for the existing Gospels. + +Establishing the dates is a complex and technical business. I have to +confess that I'm not sure how much reliance I'd put on the methods +used. But it's common to think that Mark was written first, around 64 +AD., and that all of the Gospels were written by the end of the +Century. A few people vary this by a decade or so one way or the +other. + +--clh] +",15 +10369,"From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) +Subject: Re: Go Hizbollah II! +Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu +Nntp-Posting-Host: traver.lance.colostate.edu +Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University +Lines: 15 + +In article <1993Apr24.202201.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>, ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky) writes: +|> Paraphrasing a bit, with every rocket that +|> the Hizbollah fires on the Galilee, they justify Israel's +|> holding to the security zone. +|> +|> Noam + + + +I only want to say that I agree with Noam on this point +and I hope that all sides stop targeting civilians. + +Basil + + +",17 +9257,"From: kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) +Subject: Questioning Authority +Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey +Lines: 36 + +Chris Mussack writes: + +> For all those people who insist I question authority: Why? + +How about: + + The Holocaust + The Spanish Inquisition + Jonestown + +(just to name a few) ? + +Authorities sometimes tell people to do evil things. People who ""just +follow orders"" have tortured and killed others in very large numbers, +and protest their innocence afterwards. + +When your authority starts telling you to do things, you should ask +questions. Except for situations of pressing need (""I said shut the +hatch because the submarine is filling with water!""), any reasonable +authority should be able to give at least some justification that you +can understand. + +Just be sure to listen when authority answers. + +(If anybody is interested in questions of psychological pressure and + following orders, you might want to read about a study done by Solomon Ashe + in 1951 on conformity, and another done by Stanley Milgram in 1963 on + obedience. Both should be in any good book on psychology/sociology. The + results are both fascinating and terrifying.) + + +Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu +""we do what we're told + we do what we're told + we do what we're told + told to do"" -- Peter Gabriel +",15 +4671,"From: gdoherty@us.oracle.com (Greg Doherty) +Subject: BMW '90 K75RT For Sale +Distribution: ca +Organization: Oracle Corporation +Lines: 11 +Originator: gdoherty@kr2seq.us.oracle.com +Nntp-Posting-Host: kr2seq.us.oracle.com +X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user + at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those + of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. + +[this is posted for a friend, please reply to dschick@holonet.net] + +1990 BMW K75RT FOR SALE + +Asking 5900.00 or best offer. +This bike has a full faring and is great for touring or commuting. It has +about 30k miles and has been well cared for. The bike comes with one hard +saddle bag (the left one; the right side bag was stolen), a Harro tank bag +(the large one), and an Ungo Box alarm. Interested? Then Please drop me a +line. +DAS +",8 +10168,"From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: Final Solution for Gaza ? +Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500354:000:5791 +Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 23 15:10:00 1993 +Lines: 126 + + +From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: Final Solution for Gaza ? + + +Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ? +------------------------------------ + +While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they +repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and +attempt to starve the Gazans. + +The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population +density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks. +The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of +Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the +strip and seek work in Israel. + +While Polish non-Jews risked their lives to save Jews from the +Ghetto, no Israeli Jew is known to have risked his life to help +the Gazan resistance. The only help given to Gazans by Israeli +Jews, only dozens of people, is humanitarian assistance. + +The right of the Gazan population to resist occupation is +recognized in international law and by any person with a sense of +justice. A population denied basic human rights is entitled to +rise up against its tormentors. + +As is known, the Israeli regime is considering Gazans unworthy of +Israeli citizenship and equal rights in Israel, although they are +considered worthy to do the dirty work in Israeli hotels, shops +and fields. Many Gazans are born in towns and villages located in +Israel. They may not live there, for these areas are reserved for +the Master Race. + +The Nazi regime accorded to the residents of the Warsaw ghetto the +right to self- administration. They selected Jews to pacify the +occupied population and preventing any form of resistance. Some +Jewish collaborators were killed. Israel also wishes to rule over +Gaza through Arab collaborators. + +As Israel denies Gazans the only two options which are compatible +with basic human rights and international law, that of becoming +Israeli citizens with full rights or respecting their right for +self-determination, it must be concluded that the Israeli Jewish +society does not consider Gazans full human beings. This attitude +is consistent with the attitude of the Nazis towards Jews. The +current policies by the Israeli government of cutting off Gaza are +consistent with the wish publicly expressed by Prime Mininister +Yitzhak Rabin that 'Gaza sink into the sea'. One is led to ask +oneself whether Israeli leaders entertain still more sinister +goals towards the Gazans ? Whether they have some Final Solution +up their sleeve ? + +I urge all those who have slight human compassion to do whatever +they can to help the Gazans regain their full human, civil and +political rights, to which they are entitled as human beings. + +Elias Davidsson Iceland + +From elias@ismennt.is Fri Apr 23 02:30:21 1993 Received: from +isgate.is by igc.apc.org (4.1/Revision: 1.77 ) + id AA00761; Fri, 23 Apr 93 02:30:13 PDT Received: from +rvik.ismennt.is by isgate.is (5.65c8/ISnet/14-10-91); Fri, 23 Apr +1993 09:29:41 GMT Received: by rvik.ismennt.is +(16.8/ISnet/11-02-92); Fri, 23 Apr 93 09:30:23 GMT From: +elias@ismennt.is (Elias Davidsson) Message-Id: +<9304230930.AA11852@rvik.ismennt.is> Subject: no subject (file +transmission) To: cpr@igc.org Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 9:30:22 GMT +X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO + +Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ? +------------------------------------ + +While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they +repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and +attempt to starve the Gazans. + +The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population +density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks. +The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of +Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the +strip and seek work in Israel. + +While Polish non-Jews risked their lives to save Jews from the +Ghetto, no Israeli Jew is known to have risked his life to help +the Gazan resistance. The only help given to Gazans by Israeli +Jews, only dozens of people, is humanitarian assistance. + +The right of the Gazan population to resist occupation is +recognized in international law and by any person with a sense of +justice. A population denied basic human rights is entitled to +rise up against its tormentors. + +As is known, the Israeli regime is considering Gazans unworthy of +Israeli citizenship and equal rights in Israel, although they are +considered worthy to do the dirty work in Israeli hotels, shops +and fields. Many Gazans are born in towns and villages located in +Israel. They may not live there, for these areas are reserved for +the Master Race. + +The Nazi regime accorded to the residents of the Warsaw ghetto the +right to self- administration. They selected Jews to pacify the +occupied population and preventing any form of resistance. Some +Jewish collaborators were killed. Israel also wishes to rule over +Gaza through Arab collaborators. + +As Israel denies Gazans the only two options which are compatible +with basic human rights and international law, that of becoming +Israeli citizens with full rights or respecting their right for +self-determination, it must be concluded that the Israeli Jewish +society does not consider Gazans full human beings. This attitude +is consistent with the attitude of the Nazis towards Jews. The +current policies by the Israeli government of cutting off Gaza are +consistent with the wish publicly expressed by Prime Mininister +Yitzhak Rabin that 'Gaza sink into the sea'. One is led to ask +oneself whether Israeli leaders entertain still more sinister +goals towards the Gazans ? Whether they have some Final Solution +up their sleeve ? + +I urge all those who have slight human compassion to do whatever +they can to help the Gazans regain their full human, civil and +political rights, to which they are entitled as human beings. + +Elias Davidsson Iceland + +",17 +10594,"From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) +Subject: Re: Supply Side Economic Policy +Article-I.D.: desire.1993Apr6.130430.8264 +Organization: ACME Products +Lines: 65 + +In article <186042@pyramid.pyramid.com>, pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Paul Collacchi) writes: +> In article , ashish+@andrew.cmu.edu +> (Ashish Arora) writes: +> |> Excerpts from netnews.sci.econ: 5-Apr-93 Re: Supply Side Economic Po.. +> |> by Not a Boomer@desire.wrig +> |> [...] +> |> +> |> > The deficits declined from 84-9, reaching a low of 2.9% of GNP before +> |> > the tax and spending hike of 1990 reversed the trend. +> |> > +> |> > Brett +> |> Is this true ? Some more details would be appreciated. +> |> +> |> cheers +> +> Actually not. Brett himself has actually posted the data previously. +> What declined from 84 to 89, as I remember it, was _percent +> increase_in_deficit_growth, i.e. the rate of growth of the deficit +> (2nd derivative of total deficit with respect of to time) decreased. + + Would you please define ""nth derivative of debt""? Last time I asked +you seem to have disappeared.... + + And it's the deficits themselves that came down to 2.9% of GNP. The +numbers are posted in the previous posting. + +> Brett apparently has numbed himself into thinking that the deficit +> declined. + + Cute, Paul, but with no numbers you still look foolish. + +> If you keep spending more than you earn, the deficit keeps +> growing. + + Paul, like many others, is confusing the deficit with the debt. + +> If you keep _borrowing_ at a lesser rate than you borrowed +> previously, the deficit increases. You only decrease deficits when your +> income exceeds spending and you use the difference to pay off debts. + + Not in terms of GNP, the one universally accepted measure of deficits +(at least among rigorous economists :) + +... +> arguments were brilliant. He confirmed, with data, what many of us know +> with common sense -- the boom of the 80's has nothing to do with government +> policy, particularly ""supply side"" policy, since taxes do not ""cause"" +> economic activities. People cause economic activity. More can be + + Semantics. Lindsey proves otherwise. Taxes make people change their +economic activities. + Or shall we debate whether it is the gun, the bullet, or the person who +does the killing? + +> explained by watching population waves roll through the years and +> create cycles. He has made models and predictions for years well into +> the middle of next century. It will be neat to see how accurate he +> is. + + Or whether this gentleman can win the same praise as Lindsey. :) + +Brett +________________________________________________________________________________ + ""There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an +intellectual conviction."" Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert. +",18 +3350,"From: lehors@koala.inria.fr (Arnaud Le_Hors) +Subject: ** Xpm 3.2g is available ** +Keywords: XPM +Organization: Koala Project, Bull Research France +Lines: 44 + +On export.lcs.mit.edu directory contrib, and avahi.inria.fr directory pub/xpm: +xpm-3.2f-to-3.2g.patch.Z +xpm-3.2g.tar.Z + +/* Copyright 1990-93 GROUPE BULL -- See license conditions in file COPYRIGHT */ +/**************************************************************************\ +* * +* HISTORY of user-visible changes * +* * +\**************************************************************************/ + +3.2g (93/04/26) + + ENHANCEMENTS: + - much faster close colors + - piping from/to compressed files now handles GNU's gzip (.z) format + - added XpmColorKey attribute - ability to specify which visual's + colors to use (ie: now it's possible to read in a pixmap in a + color visual, but use the colors specified for monochrome). + - added -mono, -grey4, -grey and -color options to sxpm to demonstrate + the XpmColorKey attribute. + - Jason Patterson + + BUGS CORRECTED: + - fixed bug where redefining ""None"" as a pixel stopped mask generation + - minor SVR4 defines for + - fixed annoying closecolor bug related to read/write color cells + - fixed minor bug in color value -> pixel overloading + - manual updated to include new red/green/blue closeness attributes + - Jason Patterson + + - the top Imakefile was missing the depend target + - sxpm/Imakefile fixed so that -L../lib is set before the standard + library location. + - Vivek Khera + + - lib/xpmP.h now defines bcopy as memcpy for VMS (required by recent + versions of VMS) + - J. Daniel Smith + + - the lib/Imakefile didn't work with X11R4. + +-- + Arnaud LE HORS - lehors@sophia.inria.fr - BULL Research France, Koala Project +",5 +4730,"From: rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) +Subject: Flashing anyone? +Keywords: flashing +Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixf.cc.columbia.edu +Organization: Columbia University +Lines: 23 + +Hello all, + +On my bike I have hazard lights (both front and back turn signals +flash). Since I live in NJ and commute to NYC there are a number of +tolls one must pay on route. Just before arriving at a toll booth I +switch the hazards on. I do thisto warn other motorists that I will +be taking longer than the 2 1/2 seconds to make the transaction. +Taking gloves off, getting money out of coin changer/pocket, making +transaction, putting gloves back on takes a little more time than the +average cager takes to make the same transaction of paying the toll. +I also notice that when I do this cagers tend to get the message and +usually go to another booth. + +My question, is this a good/bad thing to do? + +Any others tend to do the same? + +Just curious + +o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> + Rob Castro | email - rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu | Live for today + 1983 KZ550LTD | phone - (212) 854-7617 | For today you live! + DoD# NYC-1 | New York, New York, USA | RC (tm) +",8 +4513,"From: bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent ""Spuzy"" Moss) +Subject: Re: water in trunk of 89 Probe?? +Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.200.5 +Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT +Lines: 4 + +The 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+MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' +MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX=45%145%145%22DI*2DI*2 +MDI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2 +MDI*25%145%145%06%A86%A86%A86%A86%A86%A86%A86%A86%A86RGIZ>GIZ>GK?1T='I:4+""PMF9F;$ +MQ#&'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' +-------- End of part 5 of 14 -------- + + +",2 +10101,"From: tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan) +Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) +Reply-To: tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan) +Organization: Iowa State University +Lines: 81 + +In article <1993Apr15.174657.6176@news.uiowa.edu>, mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau +Napoleon) writes: +> From article <1993Apr15.092101@IASTATE.EDU>, by tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T +Atan): +> > Well, Panos, Mr. Tamamidis?, the way you put it it is only the Turks +> > who bear the responsibility of the things happening today. That is hard to +> > believe for somebody trying to be objective. +> > When it comes to conflicts like our countries having you cannot +> > blame one side only, there always are bad guys on both sides. +> > What were you doing on Anatolia after the WW1 anyway? +> > Do you think it was your right to be there? +> +> There were a couple millions of Greeks living in Asia Minor until 1923. +> Someone had to protect them. If not us who?? +> +> > I am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only +> > not one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering. +> > It is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise. +> > I remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the +> > visa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it +> > was a positive attempt to make the relations better. +> > +> Compromise on what, the invasion of Cyprus, the involment of Turkey in +> Greek politics, the refusal of Turkey to accept 12 miles of territorial +> waters as stated by international law, the properties of the Greeks of +> Konstantinople, the ownership of the islands in the Greek lake,sorry, Aegean. +> +> There are some things on which there can not be a compromise. +> +> +> > The Greeks I mentioned who wouldn't talk to me are educated +> > people. They have never met me but they know! I am bad person +> > because I am from Turkey. Politics is not my business, and it is +> > not the business of most of the Turks. When it comes to individuals +> > why the hatred? +> +> Any person who supports the policies of the Turkish goverment directly or +> indirecly is a ""bad"" person. +> It is not your nationality that makes you bad, it is your support of the +> actions of your goverment that make you ""bad"". +> People do not hate you because of who you are but because of what you +> are. You are a supporter of the policies of the Turkish goverment and +> as a such you must pay the price. +> +> > So that makes me think that there is some kind of +> > brainwashing going on in Greece. After all why would an educated person +> > treat every person from a nation the same way? can you tell me about your +> > history books and things you learn about Greek-Turkish +> > encounters during your schooling. +> > take it easy! +> > +> > -- +> > Tankut Atan +> > tankut@iastate.edu +> > +> > ""Achtung, baby!"" +> +> You do not need brainwashing to turn people against the Turks. Just talk to +> Greeks, Arabs, Slavs, Kurds and all other people who had the luck to be under +> Turkish occupation. +> They will talk to you about murders,rapes,distruction. +> +> You do not learn about Turks from history books, you learn about them from +> people who experienced first hand Turkish friendliness. +> +> Napoleon + + +Well, Napoleon. It is your kind of people who are preventing peace +on the world. First of all, you didn't answer the question I asked +at the end of my posting. And then you told me some bullshit +throughout your posting which had no positive point about the issue, +filled with hatred, and filled with emotions. Why am I doing this? +Forget it, I don't think you are worth it to discuss the issue. + + +-- +Tankut Atan +tankut@iastate.edu + +""Achtung, baby!"" +",17 +5224,"From: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve C Liu) +Subject: Opening Day of 1990? +Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA +Lines: 30 +Distribution: usa +Expires: 5/9/93 +NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu +Summary: Baltimore O's not looking stellar + +The O's just lost to the Rangers a few minutes ago I was not too happy about +the pitching of Rick Sutcliffe (6 runs in 6 innings, 5 in the 3?) This puts +me in remembering the 1990 O's season. After '89 we didn't do much over +winter and we wound up in 5th. Now I know that Mussina, McDonald, and Rhodes +are better pitching prospects than Ballard and Milacki but are any other +Oriole fans scared out there? + +Admiral Steve C. Liu + +P.S. Other scores as of now. +Cincy over Montreal, 2-1 I think +FLORIDA IS LEADING LA 6-3 IN THE 8TH! +Braves vs. Cubs, 1-0 in the 8th. Futility of Cubs batting haunting them. +Yanks beat the Tribe I believe. +____________________________________________________________________________ +|Admiral Steve C. Liu Internet Address: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu| +|Commander-In-Chief of the Security Division of the Pi Club - Earth Chapter| +| President of the Earth Chapter of the Pi Club - Founded April 1990 | +|1993 World Champions - Baltimore Orioles - Why Not? - Series in the Yards| +| 1992-1993 Stanley Cup Champions - Washington Capitals | +| ""Committee for the Liberation and Intergration of Terrifying Organisms | +| and their Rehabilitation Into Society, the only problem is that the | +| abbreviation is CLITORIS."" from the ""Polymorph"" episode of Red Dwarf | +|*****The Bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed!*****| +| This sig has been brought to you by... Frungy! The Sport of Kings! | +|""My God man, drilling holes through his head is not the answer!"" Dr. McCoy| +|""You know, Susanna Hoffs has a really nice ass."" - comment by M. Flanagan | +| The Pi Club - Creating the largest .signatures for the past nine months | +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + +",9 +6884,"From: m.t.palmer@larc.nasa.gov (Michael T. Palmer) +Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. +Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA +Lines: 52 +Distribution: inet +NNTP-Posting-Host: oldtown.larc.nasa.gov + + +In article <1993Apr21.150815.6657@chpc.org> rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) writes: +>In article Graham Toal writes: +>>In article <2073@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: +>>:If the Clinton Clipper is so very good, why not make its algrithm public +>>:so many people can exchange ideas and examine it, rather than a few +>>:isolated 'respected experts' (respected by whom? for what? Perhaps a +> +>One more time... +> +> If they released the algorithm, it would be possible for someone +> to come up with an implementation which was identical, but +> lacking an escrowed key. +> +> Note that the press announcement mentioned that the algorithm was +> being kept secret for security of the key escrow system. In this +> case security means ""an escrowed key for EVERY clipper chip"". +> +> +> Assuming you believed all that is said about the effective of +> the algorithm, and the escrow system, which would you buy : +> +> (a) Chip from firm A with the escrowed key +> (b) Second source chip from reputable firm B with no key +> in government escrow. +> +> There would obviously be powerful economic incentives for a second +> source, non escrowed, vendor. + +But what about second sources for pin-compatible non-Clipper algorithm +chips that also have escrowed keys? If a ""reputable firm"" produces a +chip (with escrowed key) that is a pop-in replacement for the Clipper +chip in my phone, and uses an algorithm that is widely known and evaluated +and ""trusted,"" then what's the problem? + +The Clipper is going to be reverse engineered anyway by any organization +with sufficient resources (can you say ""billions of cocaine dollars?"") so +those drug dealers they're so worried about will be slipping through the +cracks. We law-abiding (non-incredibly-wealthy) citizens, naturally, will +not have this recourse. But claiming that the algorithm can't be +released to prevent people from using non-key-escrowed chips is plain +deceitful... analysis of the chip output will provide information on +the necessary headers and whatnot, so the ""bad guys"" could build chips +using a *different* algorithm and still not escrow their keys. + +Or, they could just buy bunches of cheap phones at K-mart every week, +and play Swap-the-Clipper-Chip with their cellular phone every day. + + +Michael T. Palmer | ""A man is crazy who writes a secret in any +m.t.palmer@larc.nasa.gov | other way than one which will conceal it +RIPEM key on server | from the vulgar."" - Roger Bacon, 1220-1292 +",11 +8942,"From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch) +Subject: Daily Verse +Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA +Lines: 4 + +How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather +than silver! + +Proverbs 16:16 +",15 +4318,"From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) +Subject: Re: MGBs and the real world +Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA +Lines: 11 + +In article <1qlg02$iu6@uniwa.uwa.oz.au> scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) writes: +>Have you driven a TURBO converted +>MX5? Now they are starting to perform! I've often thought a Mazda rotary +>would go well in the XM5 too....anyone done it? + +no, but somebody's dropped a ford 302 V-8 into the miata, somewhat +reminiscent of the shelby cobra. the car's obviously not as nimble +as before, but it's supposed to have a near 50/50 weight distribution +and handle very well. i'd sure love to drive one. + +-teddy +",7 +4568,"From: lovall@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Daniel L. Lovall) +Subject: Buick heater controls +Summary: My air vents don't work on my 71 Skylark +Distribution: usa +Organization: Purdue University Physics Department +Lines: 31 + +I have a '71 Buick Skylark with 148K on it. I bought it in California, and if +it'll let me, I'd like to keep it for another year. The only problem is these +Indiana winters--my heater controls don't work. + +The car has vacuum operated control switches for the vents. Right now it is +stuck in the ""vent"" mode. It will blow warm air, but I can't switch the air +flow to either the floor (I can live without this) or the defrost (I can't +live without this). I probably could just jam the air deflector to the +defrost position, but this blows a lot of air in my face and is, well, +kind of like putting a vacuum cleaner in reverse. + +I have taken parts of the dash off and looked at the vacuum system and I think +the problem (or part of it) is with the two diaphragms which control up/down +and outside/inside air flow. THe diaphragm which controls outside(vent)/in- +side(no vent) air is cracked most of the way around, and the other one is +probably damaged too, considering the advanced age of the car. + +Two questions: + + 1) Is there anything I should be aware of about this (other than + the fact that I should move from Indiana) ? + + 2) In the event that replacement diaphragms aren't available, is there + a way to ""fix"" this? + +THanks for any advice/info + +selah, + +Dan +lovall@physics.purdue.edu +",7 +9251,"From: nigel.allen@canrem.com (Nigel Allen) +Subject: library of congress to host dead sea scroll symposium april 21-22 +Lines: 96 + + + Library of Congress to Host Dead Sea Scroll Symposium April 21-22 + To: National and Assignment desks, Daybook Editor + Contact: John Sullivan, 202-707-9216, or Lucy Suddreth, 202-707-9191 + both of the Library of Congress + + WASHINGTON, April 19 -- A symposium on the Dead Sea +Scrolls will be held at the Library of Congress on Wednesday, +April 21, and Thursday, April 22. The two-day program, cosponsored +by the library and Baltimore Hebrew University, with additional +support from the Project Judaica Foundation, will be held in the +library's Mumford Room, sixth floor, Madison Building. + Seating is limited, and admission to any session of the symposium +must be requested in writing (see Note A). + The symposium will be held one week before the public opening of a +major exhibition, ""Scrolls from the Dead Sea: The Ancient Library of +Qumran and Modern Scholarship,"" that opens at the Library of Congress +on April 29. On view will be fragmentary scrolls and archaeological +artifacts excavated at Qumran, on loan from the Israel Antiquities +Authority. Approximately 50 items from Library of Congress special +collections will augment these materials. The exhibition, on view in +the Madison Gallery, through Aug. 1, is made possible by a generous +gift from the Project Judaica Foundation of Washington, D.C. + The Dead Sea Scrolls have been the focus of public and scholarly +interest since 1947, when they were discovered in the desert 13 miles +east of Jerusalem. The symposium will explore the origin and meaning +of the scrolls and current scholarship. Scholars from diverse +academic backgrounds and religious affiliations, will offer their +disparate views, ensuring a lively discussion. + The symposium schedule includes opening remarks on April 21, at +2 p.m., by Librarian of Congress James H. Billington, and by +Dr. Norma Furst, president, Baltimore Hebrew University. Co-chairing +the symposium are Joseph Baumgarten, professor of Rabbinic Literature +and Institutions, Baltimore Hebrew University and Michael Grunberger, +head, Hebraic Section, Library of Congress. + Geza Vermes, professor emeritus of Jewish studies, Oxford +University, will give the keynote address on the current state of +scroll research, focusing on where we stand today. On the second +day, the closing address will be given by Shmaryahu Talmon, who will +propose a research agenda, picking up the theme of how the Qumran +studies might proceed. + On Wednesday, April 21, other speakers will include: + + -- Eugene Ulrich, professor of Hebrew Scriptures, University of +Notre Dame and chief editor, Biblical Scrolls from Qumran, on ""The +Bible at Qumran;"" + -- Michael Stone, National Endowment for the Humanities +distinguished visiting professor of religious studies, University of +Richmond, on ""The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Pseudepigrapha."" + -- From 5 p.m. to 6:30 p.m. a special preview of the exhibition +will be given to symposium participants and guests. + + On Thursday, April 22, beginning at 9 a.m., speakers will include: + + -- Magen Broshi, curator, shrine of the Book, Israel Museum, +Jerusalem, on ""Qumran: The Archaeological Evidence;"" + -- P. Kyle McCarter, Albright professor of Biblical and ancient +near Eastern studies, The Johns Hopkins University, on ""The Copper +Scroll;"" + -- Lawrence H. Schiffman, professor of Hebrew and Judaic studies, +New York University, on ""The Dead Sea Scrolls and the History of +Judaism;"" and + -- James VanderKam, professor of theology, University of Notre +Dame, on ""Messianism in the Scrolls and in Early Christianity."" + + The Thursday afternoon sessions, at 1:30 p.m., include: + + -- Devorah Dimant, associate professor of Bible and Ancient Jewish +Thought, University of Haifa, on ""Qumran Manuscripts: Library of a +Jewish Community;"" + -- Norman Golb, Rosenberger professor of Jewish history and +civilization, Oriental Institute, University of Chicago, on ""The +Current Status of the Jerusalem Origin of the Scrolls;"" + -- Shmaryahu Talmon, J.L. Magnas professor emeritus of Biblical +studies, Hebrew University, Jerusalem, on ""The Essential 'Commune of +the Renewed Covenant': How Should Qumran Studies Proceed?"" will close +the symposium. + + There will be ample time for question and answer periods at the +end of each session. + + Also on Wednesday, April 21, at 11 a.m.: + The Library of Congress and The Israel Antiquities Authority +will hold a lecture by Esther Boyd-Alkalay, consulting conservator, +Israel Antiquities Authority, on ""Preserving the Dead Sea Scrolls"" +in the Mumford Room, LM-649, James Madison Memorial Building, The +Library of Congress, 101 Independence Ave., S.E., Washington, D.C. + ------ + NOTE A: For more information about admission to the symposium, +please contact, in writing, Dr. Michael Grunberger, head, Hebraic +Section, African and Middle Eastern Division, Library of Congress, +Washington, D.C. 20540. + -30- +-- +Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario +416-629-7000/629-7044 +",15 +4531,"From: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) +Subject: wife wants convertible +Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.4.54.110 +Reply-To: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com +Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group +Lines: 9 + + +HELP!!! +my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car. +We live in South Fla., so we are definitely in the right are for one. +My wife has mentioned the Miata, but I think it is too small. +I would like to wait for the new Mustangs ( Dec. '93 I think). +Anyone have any opinions on any/all convertibles in a reasonable price range. + + Thanx +",7 +8172,"From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) +Subject: Space FAQ 12/15 - Controversial Questions +Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions +Article-I.D.: cs.controversy_733694426 +Expires: 6 May 1993 20:00:26 GMT +Distribution: world +Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill +Lines: 252 +Supersedes: +NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu + +Archive-name: space/controversy +Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:06 $ + +CONTROVERSIAL QUESTIONS + + These issues periodically come up with much argument and few facts being + offered. The summaries below attempt to represent the position on which + much of the net community has settled. Please DON'T bring them up again + unless there's something truly new to be discussed. The net can't set + public policy, that's what your representatives are for. + + + WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SATURN V PLANS + + Despite a widespread belief to the contrary, the Saturn V blueprints + have not been lost. They are kept at Marshall Space Flight Center on + microfilm. + + The problem in re-creating the Saturn V is not finding the drawings, it + is finding vendors who can supply mid-1960's vintage hardware (like + guidance system components), and the fact that the launch pads and VAB + have been converted to Space Shuttle use, so you have no place to launch + from. + + By the time you redesign to accommodate available hardware and re-modify + the launch pads, you may as well have started from scratch with a clean + sheet design. + + + WHY DATA FROM SPACE MISSIONS ISN'T IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE + + Investigators associated with NASA missions are allowed exclusive access + for one year after the data is obtained in order to give them an + opportunity to analyze the data and publish results without being + ""scooped"" by people uninvolved in the mission. However, NASA frequently + releases examples (in non-digital form, e.g. photos) to the public early + in a mission. + + + RISKS OF NUCLEAR (RTG) POWER SOURCES FOR SPACE PROBES + + There has been extensive discussion on this topic sparked by attempts to + block the Galileo and Ulysses launches on grounds of the plutonium + thermal sources being dangerous. Numerous studies claim that even in + worst-case scenarios (shuttle explosion during launch, or accidental + reentry at interplanetary velocities), the risks are extremely small. + Two interesting data points are (1) The May 1968 loss of two SNAP 19B2 + RTGs, which landed intact in the Pacific Ocean after a Nimbus B weather + satellite failed to reach orbit. The fuel was recovered after 5 months + with no release of plutonium. (2) In April 1970, the Apollo 13 lunar + module reentered the atmosphere and its SNAP 27 RTG heat source, which + was jettisoned, fell intact into the 20,000 feet deep Tonga Trench in + the Pacific Ocean. The corrosion resistant materials of the RTG are + expected to prevent release of the fuel for a period of time equal to 10 + half-lives of the Pu-238 fuel or about 870 years [DOE 1980]. + + To make your own informed judgement, some references you may wish to + pursue are: + + A good review of the technical facts and issues is given by Daniel + Salisbury in ""Radiation Risk and Planetary Exploration-- The RTG + Controversy,"" *Planetary Report*, May-June 1987, pages 3-7. Another good + article, which also reviews the events preceding Galileo's launch, + ""Showdown at Pad 39-B,"" by Robert G. Nichols, appeared in the November + 1989 issue of *Ad Astra*. (Both magazines are published by pro-space + organizations, the Planetary Society and the National Space Society + respectively.) + + Gordon L Chipman, Jr., ""Advanced Space Nuclear Systems"" (AAS 82-261), in + *Developing the Space Frontier*, edited by Albert Naumann and Grover + Alexander, Univelt, 1983, p. 193-213. + + ""Hazards from Plutonium Toxicity"", by Bernard L. Cohen, Health Physics, + Vol 32 (may) 1977, page 359-379. + + NUS Corporation, Safety Status Report for the Ulysses Mission: Risk + Analysis (Book 1). Document number is NUS 5235; there is no GPO #; + published Jan 31, 1990. + + NASA Office of Space Science and Applications, *Final Environmental + Impact Statement for the Ulysses Mission (Tier 2)*, (no serial number or + GPO number, but probably available from NTIS or NASA) June 1990. + + [DOE 1980] U.S. Department of Energy, *Transuranic Elements in the + Environment*, Wayne C. Hanson, editor; DOE Document No. DOE/TIC-22800; + Government Printing Office, Washington, D.C., April 1980.) + + + IMPACT OF THE SPACE SHUTTLE ON THE OZONE LAYER + + From time to time, claims are made that chemicals released from + the Space Shuttle's Solid Rocket Boosters (SRBs) are responsible + for a significant amount of damage to the ozone layer. Studies + indicate that they in reality have only a minute impact, both in + absolute terms and relative to other chemical sources. The + remainder of this item is a response from the author of the quoted + study, Charles Jackman. + + The atmospheric modelling study of the space shuttle effects on the + stratosphere involved three independent theoretical groups, and was + organized by Dr. Michael Prather, NASA/Goddard Institute for Space + Studies. The three groups involved Michael Prather and Maria Garcia + (NASA/GISS), Charlie Jackman and Anne Douglass (NASA/Goddard Space + Flight Center), and Malcolm Ko and Dak Sze (Atmospheric and + Environmental Research, Inc.). The effort was to look at the effects + of the space shuttle and Titan rockets on the stratosphere. + + The following are the estimated sources of stratospheric chlorine: + + Industrial sources: 300,000,000 kilograms/year + Natural sources: 75,000,000 kilograms/year + Shuttle sources: 725,000 kilograms/year + + The shuttle source assumes 9 space shuttles and 6 Titan rockets are + launched yearly. Thus the launches would add less than 0.25% to the + total stratospheric chlorine sources. + + The effect on ozone is minimal: global yearly average total ozone would + be decreased by 0.0065%. This is much less than total ozone variability + associated with volcanic activity and solar flares. + + The influence of human-made chlorine products on ozone is computed + by atmospheric model calculations to be a 1% decrease in globally + averaged ozone between 1980 and 1990. The influence of the space shuttle and + Titan rockets on the stratosphere is negligible. The launch + schedule of the Space Shuttle and Titan rockets would need to be + increased by over a factor of a hundred in order to have about + the same effect on ozone as our increases in industrial halocarbons + do at the present time. + + Theoretical results of this study have been published in _The Space + Shuttle's Impact on the Stratosphere_, MJ Prather, MM Garcia, AR + Douglass, CH Jackman, M.K.W. Ko and N.D. Sze, Journal of Geophysical + Research, 95, 18583-18590, 1990. + + Charles Jackman, Atmospheric Chemistry and Dynamics Branch, + Code 916, NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center, + Greenbelt, MD 20771 + + Also see _Chemical Rockets and the Environment_, A McDonald, R Bennett, + J Hinshaw, and M Barnes, Aerospace America, May 1991. + + + HOW LONG CAN A HUMAN LIVE UNPROTECTED IN SPACE + + If you *don't* try to hold your breath, exposure to space for half a + minute or so is unlikely to produce permanent injury. Holding your + breath is likely to damage your lungs, something scuba divers have to + watch out for when ascending, and you'll have eardrum trouble if your + Eustachian tubes are badly plugged up, but theory predicts -- and animal + experiments confirm -- that otherwise, exposure to vacuum causes no + immediate injury. You do not explode. Your blood does not boil. You do + not freeze. You do not instantly lose consciousness. + + Various minor problems (sunburn, possibly ""the bends"", certainly some + [mild, reversible, painless] swelling of skin and underlying tissue) + start after ten seconds or so. At some point you lose consciousness from + lack of oxygen. Injuries accumulate. After perhaps one or two minutes, + you're dying. The limits are not really known. + + References: + + _The Effect on the Chimpanzee of Rapid Decompression to a Near Vacuum_, + Alfred G. Koestler ed., NASA CR-329 (Nov 1965). + + _Experimental Animal Decompression to a Near Vacuum Environment_, R.W. + Bancroft, J.E. Dunn, eds, Report SAM-TR-65-48 (June 1965), USAF School + of Aerospace Medicine, Brooks AFB, Texas. + + + HOW THE CHALLENGER ASTRONAUTS DIED + + The Challenger shuttle launch was not destroyed in an explosion. This is + a well-documented fact; see the Rogers Commission report, for example. + What looked like an explosion was fuel burning after the external tank + came apart. The forces on the crew cabin were not sufficient to kill the + astronauts, never mind destroy their bodies, according to the Kerwin + team's medical/forensic report. + + The astronauts were killed when the more-or-less intact cabin hit the + water at circa 200MPH, and their bodies then spent several weeks + underwater. Their remains were recovered, and after the Kerwin team + examined them, they were sent off to be buried. + + + USING THE SHUTTLE BEYOND LOW EARTH ORBIT + + You can't use the shuttle orbiter for missions beyond low Earth orbit + because it can't get there. It is big and heavy and does not carry + enough fuel, even if you fill part of the cargo bay with tanks. + + Furthermore, it is not particularly sensible to do so, because much of + that weight is things like wings, which are totally useless except in + the immediate vicinity of the Earth. The shuttle orbiter is highly + specialized for travel between Earth's surface and low orbit. Taking it + higher is enormously costly and wasteful. A much better approach would + be to use shuttle subsystems to build a specialized high-orbit + spacecraft. + + [Yet another concise answer by Henry Spencer.] + + + THE ""FACE ON MARS"" + + There really is a big rock on Mars that looks remarkably like a humanoid + face. It appears in two different frames of Viking Orbiter imagery: + 35A72 (much more facelike in appearance, and the one more often + published, with the Sun 10 degrees above western horizon) and 70A13 + (with the Sun 27 degrees from the west). + + Science writer Richard Hoagland has championed the idea that the Face is + artificial, intended to resemble a human, and erected by an + extraterrestrial civilization. Most other analysts concede that the + resemblance is most likely accidental. Other Viking images show a + smiley-faced crater and a lava flow resembling Kermit the Frog elsewhere + on Mars. There exists a Mars Anomalies Research Society (sorry, don't + know the address) to study the Face. + + The Mars Observer mission will carry an extremely high-resolution + camera, and better images of the formation will hopefully settle this + question in a few years. In the meantime, speculation about the Face is + best carried on in the altnet group alt.alien.visitors, not sci.space or + sci.astro. + + V. DiPeitro and G. Molenaar, *Unusual Martian Surface Features*, Mars + Research, P.O. Box 284, Glen Dale, Maryland, USA, 1982. $18 by mail. + + R.R. Pozos, *The Face of Mars*, Chicago Review Press, 1986. [Account of + an interdisciplinary speculative conference Hoagland organized to + investigate the Face] + + R.C. Hoagland, *The Monuments of Mars: A City on the Edge of Forever*, + North Atlantic Books, Berkeley, California, USA, 1987. [Elaborate + discussion of evidence and speculation that formations near the Face + form a city] + + M.J. Carlotto, ""Digital Imagery Analysis of Unusual Martian Surface + Features,"" *Applied Optics*, 27, pp. 1926-1933, 1987. [Extracts + three-dimensional model for the Face from the 2-D images] + + M.J. Carlotto & M.C. Stein, ""A Method of Searching for Artificial + Objects on Planetary Surfaces,"" *Journal of the British Interplanetary + Society*, Vol. 43 no. 5 (May 1990), p.209-216. [Uses a fractal image + analysis model to guess whether the Face is artificial] + + B. O'Leary, ""Analysis of Images of the `Face' on Mars and Possible + Intelligent Origin,"" *JBIS*, Vol. 43 no. 5 (May 1990), p. 203-208. + [Lights Carlotto's model from the two angles and shows it's consistent; + shows that the Face doesn't look facelike if observed from the surface] + + +NEXT: FAQ #13/15 - Space activist/interest/research groups & space publications +",14 +6552,"From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) +Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords +Nntp-Posting-Host: bistromath.mitre.org +Organization: The MITRE Corporation +Lines: 33 + +In article <1993Apr17.122651.1874@sugra.uucp> ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng) writes: +>In article <1993Apr16.165423.27204@linus.mitre.org: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes: +>:Judge: ""I grant you immunity from whatever may be learned from the key +>: itself"" +>:You: ""The keyphrase is: ""I confess to deliberately evading copyright; +>: the file encoded with this keyphrase contains illegal scans of +>: copyrighted Peanuts strips."""" +>:Judge and CP: ""Oh."" +>: How will they get you now? I'm not saying that they won't, or +>:can't (or even that they shouldn't :-), but what legal mechanism will +>:they use? Should we be crossposting this to misc.legal? +> +>Hm, could another court try you via a bypass of the double jeopardy amendment +>like they are doing in the LAPD trial? Ie your judge is a state judge, and +>then a federal judge retries you under the justification that its not the +>same trail. + + No. The LAPD officers were tried first by the State of California +on charges of police brutality, and secondly by the Federal Government +on depriving RK of his civil rights - a different crime. + + The scenario I outline is more similar to the Oliver North trial. +Ollie confessed to treason (aiding an enemy of the US) during Senate +hearings, under immunity. The team which was later to prosecute him on +criminal charges had to sequester itself from all reports of ON's +immunized testimony. ON's lawyer brought up the probability that at +least someone on the team had heard about the Senate testimony, and it +was a strong factor against the prosecution, which is one of the +reasons this ON is still walking around free today. + + Peter Trei + ptrei@mitre.org + +",11 +1625,"From: grantk@nosc.mil (Kelly J. Grant) +Subject: Strange 386 enhanced behavior... +Keywords: 386 enhanced, Paradox +Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation +Lines: 45 + +Howdy + +We have been having a real problem with an AST 386sx/16 machine with +4mb of RAM. We installed Paradox for Windows, (but I don't think +Paradox is the real problem here), and the installation went ok +(windows is installed on a local drive, paradox installed on a novell +network (netware 386 v3.26 or greater), DOS 5, Win 3.1) but the program +will not load in 386 enchanted mode. The thermometer bar goes to 60% +and we then either get a 'invalid command.com' or a windows nastygram +talking about an illegal instruction. I've checked out the command.com +thing, but as a long-time C programmer, I've crashed my share of machines +with pointer problems and this is a standard behavior :-) + +Anyway, paradox will run in standard mode, but not enhanced. We also have +quattro pro windows, exhibiting the same behavior. Spent about 2 hours +with Borland's tech people, with no avail. The guy I talked to a microsoft +didn't want to really dig in and help, as he gave up pretty quickly. +Somewhat disappointing, really. I expected more from Microsoft. You'd think +with all the millions of windows installations that they would have seen all +the possible problems, but I guess not... + +Microsoft had sent us a 13 page fax on fixing UAE and General +Protection faults (sorry, I can't fax anything out of here so please +don't ask, try Microsoft), which we tried. We did *everything* they +said, and still no luck. + +So. If you can help, please mail me. This problem is driving us nuts. +I will greatly appreciate any information anyone can pass on. + +Thanks + +Kelly +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- +THIS IS THE REAL SIGNATURE...Please ignore the following demon signature.. + +Kelly J. Grant grantk@nosc.mil +4045 Hancock St (619) 225-2562 ""The next time someone asks you if you +San Diego, CA 92110 are a god, you say YES!"" :-) +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +-- +Kelly Grant grantk@manta.nosc.mil (619) 553-0850 +Computer Sciences Corp ^^^^^^^^ Important: manta.UUCP won't get to me +4045 Hancock Street ""If you are given lemons.....see if you can trade for +San Diego, CA 92110 chocolate"" - me +",2 +8925,"From: emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery) +Subject: Re: Can sin ""block"" our prayers? +Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA +Lines: 28 + +In article jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: +> +>This verse also makes me think of the kind of husband who decides what +>is God's will for his family without consulting his wife. God reveals +>His will to both the husband and the wife. There needs to be some +>degree of mutuality in decision making. Even those whose understanding +>of the Bible leads to a belief in an authoritarian headship of the +>husband need to incorporate this in order to have a functional family. +>One way to look at it is that God speaks to the wife through the husband +>and to the husband through the wife. +> +> +>Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org + +I agree. God makes the husband the head of the house. But he surely +can't do it alone. He needs the help of his beloved wife whom the +Lord gave him. + +At least that's how it is in my house. I thank God for the beautiful +woman He has brought into my life. I couldn't lead without the help +of my wonderful wife. + + +-- +John Emery ""I will praise you, O Lord my God, with all my heart; +emery@tc.fluke.COM I will glorify your name forever. For great is your + love toward me; you have delivered me from the + depths of the grave."" (Psalm 86:12-13) +",15 +10141,"From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) +Subject: Re: Basil, opinions? (Re: Water on the brain) +Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu +Nntp-Posting-Host: parry.lance.colostate.edu +Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University +Lines: 65 + +In article <1qmdtlINNkrc@early-bird.think.com>, shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) writes: +|> In article <1993Apr15.204930.9517@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: +|> |> +|> |> In article <1993Apr15.055341.6075@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes: +|> |> |> I guess Hasan finally revealed the source of his claim that Israel +|> |> |> diverted water from Lebanon--his imagination. +|> |> |> -- +|> |> |> Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org +|> |> Mr. water-head, +|> |> i never said that israel diverted lebanese rivers, in fact i said that +|> |> israel went into southern lebanon to make sure that no +|> |> water is being used on the lebanese +|> |> side, so that all water would run into Jordan river where there +|> |> israel will use it !#$%^%&&*-head. +|> +|> Of course posting some hard evidence or facts is much more +|> difficult. You have not bothered to substantiate this in +|> any way. Basil, do you know of any evidence that would support +|> this? + +I agree with Shai, there are many references to Israeli +plans on the Litani river but I have yet to find hard +evidence. I had mentioned before that there is a report +commissioned by the UN to study the Litani river, it is +still in draft form. The Israeli gov't also commissioned +a study on the river that was done by Dr. Ben Wolfe. +The Litani starts in the Bekaa valley in Lebanon, +flows Southward, then West across South Lebanon and +discharges into the Mediterranean near the city of Tyre. +There are other rivers such as the Hasbani and the Wazzani +that start in Lebanese territory than join the Jordan river. +The most mentioned plan was one that would divert water +from the Litani into these, then the water would flow +naturally into the Lac De Houle. BUT there is no evidence +of any diversion structure (which would need to be at least +3 km long). The area is mountainous, inaccessible and +occupied by Israel so I have not seen any independent +reports of the existence of any diversion structure there. +Another often mentioned diversion is through deep wells. +It is also rumored that Israe has 600 m wells +tapping into deep aquifers and drawing water on the +Israeli side of the border. If such wells are indeed +under use they would be costly to operate +(high energy costs) and the Lebanese and Israeli gov't should +agree on the distribution of water from shared aquifers +as part of an overall peace plan and the bilateral +negociations on ""regional issues"". The fact that we have +been at war all this time has led to the current state +of affairs where withdrawals from such aquifers is +completely unregulated. + + +Basil + + + + + +|> |> Hasan +|> +|> -- +|> Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, +|> OS Software Engineer | +|> Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. +|> Cambridge, MA | +",17 +10147,"From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) +Subject: Car bomb in the West Bank +Nntp-Posting-Host: supergas +Reply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com +Organization: Intergraph Electronics +Lines: 34 + + +From Israeline 4/16 + +Two Arabs Killed and Eight IDF Soldiers Wounded in West Bank Car +Bomb Explosion + +Israel Defense Forces Radio, GALEI ZAHAL, reports today that a car +bomb explosion in the West Bank today killed two Palestinians and +wounded eight IDF soldiers. The blast is believed to be the work of +a suicide bomber. Radio reports said a car packed with butane gas +exploded between two parked buses, one belonging to the IDF and the +other civilian. Both busses went up in flames. The blast killed an +Arab man who worked at a nearby snack bar in the Mehola settlement. +An Israel Radio report stated that the other man who was killed may +have been the one who set off the bomb. According to officials at +the Haemek Hospital in Afula, the eight IDF soldiers injured in the +blast suffered light to moderate injuries. + + + +The Arab that was killed was a probably from the Mossad so it is not count +as a murder. + + +Naftaly + + +----- + + +Naftaly Stramer | Intergraph Electronics +Internet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A +Voice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301 +""Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can."" +",17 +2238,"From: zaphod@src4src.linet.org (Steve Wechsler) +Subject: VGA card for fixed-frequency monitor +Organization: The Source for Source +Lines: 19 +X-Standard-Disclaimer: I probably don't speak for src4src.linet.org. + + +Has anyone connected a high-res, fixed frequency monitor to their PC? +I have a mitubishi monitor that does 1024x768 at 60hz, but won't do +any other resolutions. All the video cards designed for this sort of +thing are very expensive (>$400). Has anyone done it with an SVGA +card (I know it can be done, it's just a question of getting the card +at the right resolution and frequency)? I'd like to use a mono +(hercules) monitor as my dos/command line monitor, and switch to the +mitsu for Windows or X-windows (under Linux or 3BSD). + +Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. E-mail, please. + +Thanks, + +-- +Steve Wechsler | zaphod@src4src.linet.org | Call Lady Hawke's Castle BBS: +Please respond to my queries via e-mail (post also if you like) | 516-226-4630 +because my site purges news much faster than I can keep up with it. +This message was made from 100% recycled materials. +",3 +9694,"From: rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Nice Guy) +Subject: Will CS burn or explode +X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University + of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither + control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. +Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. +Lines: 13 + +The FBI released large amounts of CS tear gas into the compound in +Waco. CS tear gas is a fine power. Is CS inflammable. Grain dust +suspended in air can form an explosive mixture, will CS suspended in air +form an explosive mix? Could large quantities of CS have fueled the +rapid spread of fire in the compound? + +Please note I am directing all followups to talk.politics.guns + +-- +Rod Anderson N0NZO | The only acceptable substitute +Boulder, CO | for brains is silence. +rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu | -Solomon Short- +satellite N0NZO on ao-16 | +",16 +1101,"From: gloege@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Andreas Gloege) +Subject: OTTOMENU ... Where Can I Get it ? +Originator: gloege@hphalle0a.informatik.tu-muenchen.de +Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany +Lines: 22 + + + +I've heard about Ottomenu which should be a good desktop +on Windows 3.0/3.1 . +Can anybody tell me where I can get it ? +It should be on CICA in /pub/pc/win3/util but it is not. + +It is also not an WUSTL,SIMTEL and a great number of other +sites. + +Just post it or mail me. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ + Andreas Gloege + Kazmaierstr.48 (bei Klarmann) + 8000 Muenchen 2 + 089/508336 + email : gloege@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE +------------------------------------------------------------------------ + + + +",2 +7597,"From: amigan@cup.portal.com (Mike - Medwid) +Subject: Emphysema question +Organization: The Portal System (TM) +Distribution: na +Lines: 14 + +A friend of mine is going in later this week for tests to see if has +emphysema. His lung capacity has decreased over time. His father died +of the disease. He works in woodworking. I believe he has a very +occasional cigarette, perhaps one cigarette a day or even less. He tells +me this..I've never seen him light up. He has some pretty healthy +life style habits, good diet, exercise, meditation, retreats, therapy +etc. Anyhow..he is very concerned with this check up. I know really +nothing about the disease. I believe it interferes with the lining +of the lung being able to exchange oxygen. + +Is a diagnosis of emphysema a death sentence? If he were to give up smoking +entirely would that better his chances for recovery? What are some +modern therapies used in people with this disease? I would appreciate +any information. Thanks. amigan@cup.portal.com +",13 +3794,"Subject: Mives 4 Sale (update) +From: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) +Organization: Hiram College +Nntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu +Lines: 15 + +VHS movie for sale + +Kevin Costner Dances withs Wolves + +Just open and was used once, $12.00 or best offer, buyer will have +to pay shipping. ($1.00 for shipping) + +Let me know if you are interested, and send your offer to this +e-mail address. Koutd@hirama.hiram.edu + +thanks, + +Douglas Kou +Hiram College + +",6 +3708,"From: bdolson@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Brian David Olson) +Subject: For Sale: IBM Wheelwriter 6 +Nntp-Posting-Host: elvex34.acns.nwu.edu +Organization: Northwestern University +Lines: 11 + +I just won an IBM Wheelwriter 6 typewriter in a raffle here on campus. +Since I have a nice computer, and really need the cash, I'm putting it up +for sale. I have an offer from a local reseller for $250. Best offer +above that plus shipping. + +...brian + +Northwestern University - Economics & International Studies +b-olson@nwu.edu Brian David Olson +bdolson@casbah.acns.nwu.edu bdolson@cica.es +bdolson@merle.acns.nwu.edu bdolson@sevaxu.cica.es +",6 +9038,"From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov +Subject: Re: RE: Does God love you? +Organization: FNAL/AD/Net +Lines: 70 + +In article jayne@mmalt.guild.org +(Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: + +>I am uncomfortable with the tract in general because there seems to be +>an innappropriate emphasis on Hell. God deserves our love and worship +>because of who He is. I do not like the idea of frightening people into +>accepting Christ. + +And yet, Jayne, as we read the Gospels and in particular the topics that Jesus +himself spoke on, Hell figures in a large % of the time -certainly more than +heaven itself. Paul, as we learn in I Thess, taught new believers and new +churches eschatology and did not hesitate to teach hell and damnation. Rev, +chapter 20:11-15 is very specific and cannot be allegorized. I think the word +""throne"" is used 45 times in Rev and that the unbelieving come to receive the +assignment of the severity of judgement, for in John 3 we read that they are +already judged. Rom 3 speaks that every mouth will be shut. There is no +recourse, excuse or defense. +> +>I see evangelism as combining a way of living that shows God's love with +>putting into words and explaining that love. Preaching the Gospel +>without living the Gospel is no better than being a noisy gong or a +>clanging cymbal. + +Yes I agree with you. Life is often like a pendulum where it swings to +extremes before stopping at ""moderation."" I think we have seen the extreme of +the ""hell fire & brimstone"" preacher, but also we have seen the other extreme +where hell not talked about at all for fear of offending someones +sensibilities. + +I forget who founded the Word of Life Ministries, but I remember him telling a +story. He was in a small town hardware store and some how a man got to the +point of telling him that he didn't believe in Satan or hell. He believed +everybody was going to heaven. It was at this point that the man was asked to +pray to God that He would send his children to hell! Of course the man +wouldn't do it. But the point was made. Many people say they don't believe in +hell but they are not willing to really place their faith in that it doesn't +exist. If this man had, he would of prayed the prayer because hell didn't +exist and there would have been no fear in having his prayer answered. And +yet, they walk as if they believe they will never be sent there. + +I'd use a different illustration however. I have to include myself in it. +When I watch, say a Basketball (go Bulls!) game, and I see a blatant foul that +isn't called, oi vey!. What's with that ref that he didn't make that call. +It's unfair. And just so in life, righteousness demands payment. As the +surgeon takes knife in hand to cut the cancer away, so God cuts off that which +is still of the old creation. We must preach the Gospel in all its richness +which includes the fact that if you reject The Way and The Truth and The Life, +then broad is the way to distruction. + +> +>Here's a question: How many of you are Christians because you are +>afraid of going to Hell? How many are responding to God's love? + +I think I would fall in there somewhere. Actually it was both. After all, +repentance isn't only a turning towards, but also a turning away from! +No, again, if Jesus used it in His ministry then I can surely see that we +should do it also. In love, of course, but in truth most assuredly. + +I have thought about writing something on this topic, but not now and here. I +would say that there are some good reasons for its existence and its +eternality. + +1) God is Light. Yes He is love, but His love has the boundary of Holiness. +2) Dignity of Man. Either a man is a robot or he is a responsible creature. + If responsible, then he is also accountable. +3) The awfulness of sin. Today we have a poor, poor concept of sin & God. +4) Christ. He was willing to die and go there Himself to offer an avenue to + the ""whosoever will."" + +--Rex +",15 +7489,"From: bob@kc2wz.bubble.org (Bob Billson) +Subject: Re: subliminal message flashing on TV +Organization: Color Computer 3: Tandy's 'game' machine +Lines: 13 + +kennehra@logic.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich""TheMan""Kennehan) says: +>Hi. I was doing research on subliminal suggestion for a psychology +>paper, and I read that one researcher flashed hidden messages on the +>TV screen at 1/200ths of a second. Is that possible? I thought the + +Take a look over in alt.folklore.urban. There is a thread about subliminal +messages on TV. The fact that subliminal messages don't work aside, an image +can't be flashed on a TV screen fast enough to not be noticed. +-- + Bob Billson, KC2WZ | internet: bob@kc2wz.bubble.org + $nail: 21 Bates Way, Westfield, NJ 07090 | uucp: ...!uunet!kc2wz!bob + + ""Friends don't let friends run DOS"" -- Microware +",12 +5444,"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) +Subject: Ozzie Smith a Defensive Liability? +Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu +Organization: University of Chicago +Lines: 18 + +In article <1993Apr17.200602.8229@leland.Stanford.EDU> addison@leland.Stanford.EDU (Brett Rogers) writes: +>In article steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes: +>>>Smith, Ozzie .742 .717 .697 .672 .664 0.701 +>> The Wizard's 1988 is the second highest year ever. Still very good, +>>but I don't like the way his numbers have declined every year. In a few +>>years may be a defensive liability. +> +>That's rich... Ozzie Smith a defensive liability... + +Why? Do you expect him to remain the best shortstop in the game until +he reaches his seventy-third birthday, or something? Why is it such a +strange concept that a forty-one-year-old Ozzie Smith might be a defensive +liability in 1996? +-- +ted frank | +thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says ""Moops."" +the u of c law school | +standard disclaimers | +",9 +5829,"From: rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) +Subject: Too Many Europeans in NHL +Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada +Lines: 50 + + + + Ten years ago, the number of Europeans in the NHL was roughly a quarter +of what it is now. Going into the 1992/93 season, the numbers of Euros on +NHL teams have escalated to the following stats: + +Canadians: 400 +Americans: 100 +Europeans: 100 + + Please note that these numbers are rounded off, and taken from the top +25 players on each of the 24 teams. My source is the Vancouver Sun. + + Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick +of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let's say, the +Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like ""Bure"" ""Konstantinov"" and +""Borshevshky"". Is this North America or isn't it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec, +and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other +teams is getting worse as well. + + I live in Vancouver and if I hear one more word about ""Pavel Bure, the +Russian Rocket"" I will completely throw up. As it is now, every time I see +the Canucks play I keep hoping someone will cross-check Bure into the plexiglassso hard they have to carry him out on a stretcher. (By the way, I'm not a +Canucks fan to begin with ;-). + + Okay, the stretcher remark was a little carried away. But the point is that +I resent NHL owners drafting all these Europeans INSTEAD of Canadians (and +some Americans). It denies young Canadians the opportunity to play in THEIR +NORTH AMERICAN LEAGUE and instead gives it to Europeans, who aren't even +better hockey players. It's all hype. This ""European mystique"" is sickening, +but until NHL owners get over it, Canadian and American players will continue +to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league. + + With the numbers of Euros in the NHL escalating, the problem is clearly +only getting worse. + + I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures +and Selannes of the world play on their own continent. + + I just don't want them on mine. + + + + +-- +Richard J. Rauser ""You have no idea what you're doing."" +rauser@sfu.ca ""Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional +WNI outlaws - we do this for a living."" +----------------- +""Remember, no matter where you go, there you are."" -Dr.Banzai +",10 +5952,"From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) +Subject: My predictions +Nntp-Posting-Host: gibson.cc.umanitoba.ca +Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada +Lines: 79 + +Smythe Division +--------------- + +Vancouver vs. Winnipeg - Jets in 7 +The Jets have played the Canucks tough the last three games. Everyone is +healthy for the Jets. I'm biased. :) + +Calgary vs. Los Angeles - Flames in 6 +From what I have seen, the Kings have looked flat lately. I just can't see +them getting by the Flames. + +Final- Jets in 6. +The Jets haven't lost to the Flames in '93. They will, but it will be a +close series that will come down to how well Roberts has recovered. I +don't think he'll be 100%, and while it will help, it won't be enough. + +Norris Division +--------------- + +Chicago vs. St. Louis/Minnesota +Chicago in 6 against the Blues, 7 against the Stars. + +Detroit vs. Toronto - Wings in 6. +The Wings should be able to shutdown Gilmour and Andreychuk. Chelvadae is +more experienced than Potvin. + +Final - Hawks in 7. Brutal series. Probert and Chelios will go at it. +Belfour is better than Chelvadae, IMHO. + +Conference Final - Hawks in 6. It hurts, but the Hawks are more experienced, +and that will carry them through to the final. + +Prince of Wales Conference +-------------------------- + +Adams Division +-------------- + +Boston vs. Buffalo - Bruins in 6. +B's can check, Juneau is darn good, and Neely. The Sabres rely too much +on Lafontaine and Mogilny. + +Quebec vs. Montreal - Montreal in 7. +Classic battle, the inexperience will hurt the Nords, this year. + +Final - Bruins in 5. Habs will be hurting from their series with the Nords, +and Boston has been able to control the scorers on the Habs. + +Patrick Division +---------------- + +Pittsburgh vs Islanders/Devils - Pens in 5. +One word. Mario. + +Washington vs. Devils/Islanders - Caps in 6 / Devils in 7. +I think the Caps can beat the Isles, but not the Devils. Tabaracci has been +strong in goal, and if he plays like last year, he could carry the team. +It doesn't matter, though. + +Final - Pens in 5. Two more words. Stevens. Jagr. + +Cup Final - Pens in 6. Three last words. Tocchet. Murphy. Barrasso. + +The only thing I don't like about this is that the Pens woofers are going to +be out in full force again. (I don't mean the regular Penguin fans...it's +just like the bunch around here that if these predictions are true will post +like nuts while the Jets are winning, but we won't hear from again when they +lose.) + +(Oh yeah...next year's Cup prediction...Jets in 7 over the Nords.) + + + +Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets +Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca +FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700) +Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores! +The Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup! +Essensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder! +",10 +7198,"From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) +Subject: CASIO SF7500 SERIAL LINK +Organization: Edinburgh University +Lines: 8 + +The Casio 7500 lectric diary has a 3-wire serial interface with param +setting like RS232, for which one get a magic but expensive cable to +connect to a PC. Does anyone know the spec of this interface, e.g., it +needs inverting and boosting from CMOS signals to match RS232 lines? +-- +Chris Malcolm cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh +44 (0)31 650 3085 +Department of Artificial Intelligence, Edinburgh University +5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK DoD #205 +",12 +9883,"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) +Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card +Lines: 77 +Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education + +In article Thomas Parsli writes: + +>I don't remember the figures EXACTLY, but there were about 3500 deaths in Texas +>in 1991 that was caused by guns..... + + How about ""firearm related."" + +>This is more than those beeing killed in car-ACCIDENTS! + + Texas is unusual in this regard. It would be nice to reduce them +both, though. + + As Texas doesn't appear to have an murder rate that much higher than +the national average, I would expect it is a result of a much higher +suicide rate. + +>*I* should not suffer because of others.... + + Be nice if you didn't have to suffer at all. + +>We all agree on this one, BUT we also live in a sociaty and therefor +>we'll have to give up *SOME* of our 'freedom' (Note the ''). + + Here's where we run into a problem. I am perfectly willing to +have government regulation on something which is likely to cause others +harm. What we're discussing, though, is the extreme regulation of a large +group in order to target a small group, and I don't think that's +appropriate. + +>Do you have an insurance?? +>Then you'll have to pay because of what others do... +> +>Do you buy anything?? +>YOU are paying for those who return goods, steal or even those who gets a bonus... +> +>Do you live with other people?? +>Then you 'can't' do ererything you'd want (burping/farting playing music LOUD) + + Does this, then, justify anything? At some point you have to draw +a line (at least to my way of thinking) where the government must have +something a little more substantial than a set of percentages with which +to punish an individual. + + Where do *you* draw the line? Or is there one? + +>One state (don't remember which, Texas??) tried to impose a rule that you could +>only buy ONE gun each MONTH. Think you all know what happened..... + + Virginia. It passed. + +>I respect the right to defend yourself, but that right should not inflict on +>other people. + + Does it? + +>It seems like you all realize that you have a problem in America, the only +>problem is that you won't take the car away from the drunk driver, you +>hope to cure him first. + + Cute analogy. + + The U.S. doesn't treat drunk driving like a serious crime. However, +we also don't confiscate cars of people who drink. We also don't confiscate +*all* cars because some people drink and drive. It's the core of the legal +system that in order to punish an individual (and I'd call property +confiscation a punishment) you must have evidence against that individual. +That is, it isn't enough to show that the majority of people convicted of +murder are white in order to convict a particular white guy of murder. + +>Hope life comfirms to the standard of Winnie the Poh. + + Huh? +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group +PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day +your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't +love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" +",16 +6361,"From: rhirji@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Rahim Hirji) +Subject: Re: Flames Question +Keywords: Roberts Flames +Organization: University of Waterloo +Lines: 22 + +In article clhawth@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Timothy Chesley) writes: +>I heard a little while back that Gary Roberts would be returning to play +>in Calgary's last regular season game. Can anybody confirm this?? +>He'll be a big help to the Flames in the playoffs and may change my +>playoff pool strategy. + + +Roberts played in last night game against the Sharks and got a goal (38th) +and an assist. + +This definitely bolsters Calgary's chances in the playoffs. + + + Rahim Hirji + + + +-- + | Rahim Hirji + Life is what happens while you are | Actuarial Science + making other plans | rhirji@descartes.uwaterloo.ca + | University of Waterloo +",10 +10995,"From: irfan@davinci.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan) +Subject: A TREATISE ON THE MIRACLES OF MUHAMMAD SAW, PART-1 +Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison; Electrical & Computer Engineering +Distribution: usa +Lines: 81 + +DROPLET VOL 1, No 11, Part 1 + +A D R O P L E T +From The Vast Ocean Of The Miraculous Qur'an + +Translations from the Arabic and Turkish Writings of +Bediuzzaman Said Nursi, The Risale-i Noor + +VOL 1, No 11, Part 1 +------------------------------------------------------------------ + + + NINETEENTH LETTER + + MU'JIZAT-I AHMEDIYE RISALESI +(A TREATISE ON THE MIRACLES OF MUHAMMAD SAW) +(SAW: PEACE AND BLESSINGS BE UPON HIM) + +In His Name (ALLAH) , Be He (ALLAH) Glorified! +There is Nothing But Glorifies His (ALLAH's) Praise. + +In The Name Of Allah, The Compassionate, The Merciful + + ""He is who has sent His Messenger with +guidance and the religion of truth to make it +supreme over all religion: and sufficient is Allah +as a Witness. Muhammad is the Messenger of +Allah, and those who are with him are firm +against the unbelievers and merciful among +each other. You will see them bowing and +prostrating themselves, seeking Allah's grace +and His pleasure. Their mark is on their face +the sing of prostrafion; this is their similitude in +the Torah and Indgil."" [the Our'an 48:28-29] + + Since the Nineteenth and Thirhy-first Words +concerning the mission of Muhammad (SAW) prove his +prophethood with decisive evidences, we assign the +verification of that subject to those Words. + As a supplement to them, we will merely show here +in Nineteen Signs, some of the flashes of that great +truth. + + FIRST SIGN: The Owner and Master of this universe +does everything with knowledge, disposes every affair +with wisdom, directs everything all-seeingly, treats +everything all-knowingly, and arranges in everything with +His will and wisdom such causes, purposes and uses that +are apparent to us. Since the One who creates knows, +surely the One who knows will speak, since He will +speak, surely He will speak to those who have +consciousness, thought, and speech. Since He will speak +to those who have thought, surely He will speak to +humankind, whose make-up and awareness are more +comprehensive of all conscious beings. Since He will +speak to humankind, surely He will speak to the most +perfect of mankind and those most worthy of address and +highest in morality, and who are qualified to guide +humanity; then He will certainly speak to Muhammad (SAW), +who, as friend and foe alike testify, is of the highest +character and morality, and who is obeyed by one fifth +of humanity, to whose spiritual rule half of the globe has +submitted, with the radiance of whose light has been +illumined the future of mankind for thirteen centuries, to +whom the believers, the luminous segment of humanity, +renew their oath of allegiance five times a day, for +whose happiness and peace they pray, for whom they call +down Allah's blessings and bear admiration and love in +their hearts. + + Certainly, He will speak to Muhammad (SAW), +and Indeed He has done so; He will make him the +Messenger, and Indeed He has done so; He will make +him the guide for the rest of humanity, and Indeed He +has done so. + +----------------------------------------------------------------- +To be continued In$a Allah. +Your Br. Irfan in Islam. + + +",19 +10800,"From: garrett@Ingres.COM +Subject: Re: fillibuster +Summary: Proceedure +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 +Keywords: +Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division +Lines: 24 + +In article , hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes... +>In article <1993Apr12.002302.5262@martha.utcc.utk.edu>, PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: +>|>>And like the house of lords which it is copied from it was given pretty +>|>>wide powers. Unfortunately they started to use them and thus the gridlock +>|>>set in. +>|> +>|> I wasn't aware the House of Lords had ""wide powers."" I was under the +>|>impression is was pretty powerless compared to the House of Commons, and +>|>certainly didn't have almost equal their powers. (The Senate is restricted +>|>only that it may not introduce bills relating to raising revenue.) +> +>The Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords in the period in question. +>The stripping of the powers of the House of Lords did not occur until 1914 +>and David Llloyd George's budget. Even despite this the House of Lords has +>considerable power even today and is far from a rubber stamping body. +> +Just how much power does the House of Lords have now? + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +""Who said anything about panicking?"" snapped Authur. Garrett Johnson +""This is still just culture shock. You wait till I've Garrett@Ingres.com +settled into the situation and found my bearings. +THEN I'll start panicking!"" - Douglas Adams +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +",18 +6222,"From: steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole) +Subject: Re: SHARKS: Kingston Fired!!! +Organization: Stanford Exploration Project +Lines: 38 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: himalaya.stanford.edu + +In article <1993Apr20.165132.9777@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes: +|> In article <1993Apr20.085337.27224@leland.Stanford.EDU> terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes: +|> >I think that Jack Ferreira's firing eventually led to Kingston's +|> >firing. You mention consistency of vision. I think the +|> >Sharks lost that with the loss of Ferreira. There has never +|> >been a 3 headed G.M. that has ever worked. You need one +|> >person making the personnel decisions at the top, not +|> >management by committee. The conventional wisdom +|> >from around the league is that Ferreira would have +|> >made the moves that would have fielded a better product +|> >on the ice. +|> +|> How exactly would Ferreira accomplished this? The three-headed GM-ship has +|> taken a lot of heat, but nobody's explained how things would have been any +|> different had Ferreira still been there. Would Ferreira have made more +|> trades? Who would have he had traded? Would he have made fewer trades? +|> Who should not have been traded? + +I think the three-headed GM's guiding principle was to keep veterans +in favor of youngsters only if they offered a ""significant"" advantage. +At the end of last season, the contracts of several veterans with somewhat +maginal contributions (Fenton, Bozek, Anderson, and a couple others I +can't remember) were bought out. The idea was that youngsters could +play almost as well, and had the potential to improve where these +older guys did not. +And they traded Mullen, because he wanted to go, not because he +wasn't good enough, but I think they were a bit too optimistic +in thinking they could make up for his contributions. +An example from this season, Skriko was brought in on a trial basis +but not kept, because of his age. I thought he was a decent +contributor worth keeping around. + +The youth movement has its advantages; look at Gaudreau who +might still be in KC if more veterans had been kept around. But +you have to find the right balance. +----------------------------------------------------------------- +Steve Cole (steve@sep.stanford.edu, apple!sep!steve) +Department of Geophysics, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305 +",10 +5154,"From: Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Wayne Orwig) +Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies +Lines: 21 +Nntp-Posting-Host: worwig.atlantaga.ncr.com +Organization: NCR Corporation +X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0 + +In Article <1r16ja$dpa@news.ysu.edu> ""ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)"" says: +> +> In a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says: +> +> Mike Terry asks: +> +> >Is it possible to do a ""wheelie"" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive? +> > +> No Mike. It is imposible due to the shaft effect. The centripital effects +> of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift +> off the ground. +> -- +> DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan +Well my last two motorcycles have been shaft driven and they will wheelie. +The rear gear does climb the ring gear and lift the rear which gives an +odd feel, but it still wheelies. +",8 +10837,"From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) +Subject: Re: How many homosexuals are there? +Nntp-Posting-Host: next4.cs.umr.edu +Distribution: usa +Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO +Lines: 13 + +In article kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: +>Perhaps 1%, but most likely not more than 2%. A new study +>(discrediting Kinsey) says so. + +Wow, does this mean 2 out of 5 homosexuals will be at the March +on Washington? How *very* interesting. + +cpk +-- +It's been 80 days. Do you know where your wallet is? + +Slick Willy's already got his hand in my pocket. I'm just afraid +of what he might grab hold of. +",18 +5198,"Subject: Giants Win The Pennant!!!! +From: mrosales@koko.csustan.edu (Maria Rosales) +Distribution: usa +Organization: CSU Stanislaus +Lines: 4 + +Giants Win the Pennant!! Giants Win the Pennant !! Gi... OOOPS +I guess I'm a little early here... +See you in October... + +",9 +6383,"From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis) +Subject: Kings regular season schedule/results +Reply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis) +Organization: none +Lines: 189 + +1992-93 Los Angeles Kings Schedule/Results + +TV: +--- +2 preseason games, 82 of 84 regular season and all playoffs on TV. + + (PT)= Prime Ticket, (5) = KTLA Channel 5, (7) = ABC Channel 7 - playoffs + +Radio: +------ +All regular and preseason games broadcast on the Kings radio network. + + Southern California XTRA - 690am (flagship) + Simi Valley KWNK - 670am + Ankorage, Alaska KBYR - 700am + El Centro KAMP - 1430am + Fairbanks, Alaska KIAK - 970am + Hemet/Temecula KHSJ - 1320am + Lancaster/Palmdale KAVL - 610am + Palm Desert KNWZ - 1270am + Paso Robles KPRL - 1230am + Reno, Nevada KPLY - 1270am + Sacramento KSAC - 1240am + San Luis Obispo KKAL - 1280am + Santa Clarita KBET - 1220am + Las Vegas, Nevada KENO - 1460am + +Preseason: +---------- +September/October: +18 LA 3 vs VAN 3 @ Vancouver - 12,357 (0-0-1, 1 pt) +20 LA 5 vs PIT 2 @ Portland - 6,124 (1-0-1, 3 pts) (PT) +23 LA 3 vs PIT 3 @ Tacoma - ? (1-0-2, 4 pts) +24 LA 2 vs NYR 7 @ San Diego - 8,099 (1-1-2, 4 pts) (PT) +26 LA 2 vs NYR 6 @ Phoenix - 8,977 (1-2-2, 4 pts) +27 LA 4 vs SJ 2 @ Sacramento - 7,950 (2-2-2, 6 pts) +30 LA 2 vs VAN 5 @ The Forum - 10,250 (2-3-2, 6 pts) +03 LA 8 vs SJ 8 @ The Forum - 12,005 (3-3-2, 8 pts) + -- -- +Total 29 36 + +Regular Season: +--------------- +October: +06 LA 5 @ Calgary 4 (OT) - 19,461 ( 1- 0- 0, 2 pts) (PT) +08 LA 3 vs Detroit 5 - 16,005 ( 1- 1- 0, 2 pts) (PT) +10 LA 6 vs Winnipeg 3 - 14,509 ( 2- 1- 0, 4 pts) (PT) +13 LA 2 vs San Jose 1 - 14,320 ( 3- 1- 0, 6 pts) (PT) +15 LA 4 vs Calgary 0 - 15,133 ( 4- 1- 0, 8 pts) (PT) +17 LA 8 vs Boston 6 - 16,005 ( 5- 1- 0, 10 pts) (PT) +20 LA 2 @ Calgary 6 - 19,169 ( 5- 2- 0, 10 pts) (5) +23 LA 2 @ Winnipeg 4 - 12,924 ( 5- 3- 0, 10 pts) (PT) +24 LA 5 @ Minnesota 5 - 15,174 ( 5- 3- 1, 11 pts) (5) +27 LA 4 @ NY Islanders 3 - 10,259 ( 6- 3- 1, 13 pts) (PT) +29 LA 3 @ Boston 8 - 14,448 ( 6- 4- 1, 13 pts) (PT) +31 LA 7 @ Hartford 1 - 9,244 ( 7- 4- 1, 15 pts) (5) + -- -- ----------------- +Oct. 51 46 7- 4- 1, 15 pts + +November: +05 LA 5 vs New Jersey 2 - 14,592 ( 8- 4- 1, 17 pts) (PT) +07 LA 5 vs Buffalo 2 - 16,005 ( 9- 4- 1, 19 pts) (PT) +08 LA 11 @ San Jose 4 - 11,089 (10- 4- 1, 21 pts) (no tv) +10 LA 4 @ Winnipeg 4 - 12,831 (10- 4- 2, 22 pts) (PT) +12 LA 7 vs Vancouver 4 - 15,486 (11- 4- 2, 24 pts) (PT) +14 LA 6 vs Edmonton 2 - 16,005 (12- 4- 2, 26 pts) (PT) +16 LA 3 @ Vancouver 6 - 15,896 (12- 5- 2, 26 pts) (PT) +17 LA 0 @ San Jose 6 - 11,089 (12- 6- 2, 26 pts) (PT) +19 LA 4 vs Chicago 1 - 16,005 (13- 6- 2, 28 pts) (PT) +21 LA 6 vs Toronto 4 - 16,005 (14- 6- 2, 30 pts) (PT) +25 LA 3 @ Edmonton 1 - 13,636 (15- 6- 2, 32 pts) (no tv) +27 LA 5 @ Detroit 3 - 19,875 (16- 6- 2, 34 pts) (PT) +28 LA 2 @ Toronto 3 - 15,720 (16- 7- 2, 34 pts) (PT) + -- -- ----------------- +Nov. 61 42 9- 3- 1, 19 pts +Year 112 88 + +December: +01 LA 6 @ Chicago 3 - 16,292 (17- 7- 2, 36 pts) at Milwaukee (PT) +03 LA 5 vs Pittsburgh 3 - 16,005 (18- 7- 2, 38 pts) (PT) +05 LA 7 vs Hartford 3 - 16,005 (19- 7- 2, 40 pts) (PT) +08 LA 5 vs Montreal 5 - 12,276 (19- 7- 3, 41 pts) at Phoenix (PT) +10 LA 4 vs Quebec 5 - 15,221 (19- 8- 3, 41 pts) (PT) +12 LA 6 vs St Louis 3 - 16,005 (20- 8- 3, 43 pts) (PT) +15 LA 2 vs Tampa Bay 3 - 15,753 (20- 9- 3, 43 pts) (PT) +18 LA 5 @ Edmonton 5 - 15,257 (20- 9- 4, 44 pts) (5) +19 LA 3 @ Calgary 5 - 20,214 (20-10- 4, 44 pts) (PT) +22 LA 2 vs Vancouver 6 - 16,005 (20-11- 4, 44 pts) (PT) +26 LA 2 @ San Jose 7 - 11,089 (20-12- 4, 44 pts) (5) +29 LA 2 vs Philadelphia 10 - 16,005 (20-13- 4, 44 pts) (PT) +31 LA 0 @ Vancouver 4 - 16,150 (20-14- 4, 44 pts) (PT) + -- -- ----------------- +Dec. 49 62 4- 7- 2, 10 pts +Year 161 150 + +January: +02 LA 5 vs Montreal 5 - 16,005 (20-14- 5, 45 pts) (PT) +06 LA 3 vs Tampa Bay 6 - 16,005 (20-15- 5, 45 pts) (PT) +08 LA 3 @ Winnipeg 6 - 14,036 (20-16- 5, 45 pts) (5) +10 LA 5 @ Chicago 4 - 17,705 (21-16- 5, 47 pts) (5) +12 LA 3 @ Ottawa 2 - 10,500 (22-16- 5, 49 pts) (PT) +14 LA 1 @ New Jersey 7 - 13,586 (22-17- 5, 49 pts) (PT) +16 LA 2 vs Winnipeg 5 - 16,005 (22-18- 5, 49 pts) (PT) +19 LA 5 @ Edmonton 4 - 16,686 (23-18- 5, 51 pts) (PT) +21 LA 4 vs Vancouver 5 - 16,005 (23-19- 5, 51 pts) (PT) +23 LA 3 vs NY Rangers 8 - 16,005 (23-20- 5, 51 pts) (PT) +26 LA 7 vs San Jose 1 - 16,005 (24-20- 5, 53 pts) (PT) +28 LA 1 vs Calgary 2 - 16,005 (24-21- 5, 53 pts) (PT) +30 LA 2 vs Chicago 2 - 16,005 (24-21- 6, 54 pts) (PT) + -- -- ----------------- +Jan. 44 57 4- 7- 2, 10 pts +Year 205 207 + +February: +02 LA 2 @ Quebec 3 - 14,843 (24-22- 6, 54 pts) (PT) +03 LA 2 @ Montreal 7 - 17,164 (24-23- 6, 54 pts) (PT) +09 LA 3 vs Edmonton 6 - 16,005 (24-24- 6, 54 pts) (PT) +11 LA 6 vs Detroit 6 - 16,005 (24-24- 7, 55 pts) (PT) +13 LA 3 vs Washington 10 - 16,005 (24-25- 7, 55 pts) (PT) +15 LA 3 vs Vancouver 0 - 16,005 (25-25- 7, 57 pts) (PT) +17 LA 10 @ Minnesota 5 - 14,911 (26-25- 7, 59 pts) (PT) +18 LA 2 @ Chicago 7 - 17,597 (26-26- 7, 59 pts) (PT) +20 LA 3 @ Washington 7 - 17,812 (26-27- 7, 59 pts) (PT) +22 LA 5 @ Tampa Bay 2 - 10,425 (27-27- 7, 61 pts) (PT) +25 LA 0 @ St Louis 3 - 13,473 (27-28- 7, 61 pts) (PT) +27 LA 2 vs Toronto 5 - 16,005 (27-29- 7, 61 pts) (PT) + -- -- ----------------- +Feb. 41 61 3- 8- 1, 7 pts +Year 246 268 + +March: +02 LA 6 vs Calgary 2 - 16,005 (28-29- 7, 63 pts) (PT) +04 LA 8 vs Ottawa 6 - 16,005 (29-29- 7, 65 pts) (PT) +06 LA 6 vs Edmonton 1 - 16,005 (30-29- 7, 67 pts) (PT) +09 LA 3 @ NY Rangers 4 - 18,200 (30-30- 7, 67 pts) (PT) +11 LA 3 @ Pittsburgh 4 - 16,164 (30-31- 7, 67 pts) (PT) +13 @ Philadelphia - Postponed after 1 period (1-1) due to weather. Resch for 4/1 +14 @ Buffalo - Postponed due to weather. Rescheduled for 3/15. +15 LA 4 @ Buffalo 2 - 13,799 (31-31- 7, 69 pts) (PT) +16 LA 8 vs Winnipeg 4 - 16,005 (32-31- 7, 71 pts) (PT) +18 LA 7 vs NY Islanders 4 - 16,005 (33-31- 7, 73 pts) (PT) +20 LA 3 vs St Louis 2 - 16,005 (34-31- 7, 75 pts) (PT) +24 LA 2 @ Vancouver 6 - 16,150 (34-32- 7, 75 pts) (5) +26 LA 4 @ Edmonton 1 - 17,503 (35-32- 7, 77 pts) (5) +28 LA 3 @ Winnipeg 3 - 15,566 (35-32- 8, 78 pts) (PT) +29 LA 9 @ Detroit 3 - 19,875 (36-32- 8, 80 pts) (5) +31 LA 5 @ Toronto 5 - 15,720 (36-32- 9, 81 pts) (PT) + -- -- ----------------- +Mar. 71 47 9- 3- 2, 20 pts +Year 317 315 + +April: +01 LA 3 @ Philadelphia 1 - 17,380 (37-32- 9, 83 pts) (PT) rescheduled +03 LA 0 vs Minnesota 3 - 16,005 (37-33- 9, 83 pts) (PT) +06 LA 3 vs Calgary 3 - 16,005 (37-33-10, 84 pts) (PT) +08 LA 2 vs San Jose 1 - 16,005 (38-33-10, 86 pts) (PT) +10 LA 3 @ San Jose 2 (OT) - 11,089 (39-33-10, 88 pts) (PT) +13 LA 4 @ Vancouver 7 - 16,150 (39-34-10, 88 pts) (PT) +15 LA 6 vs Vancouver 8 - 16,005 (39-35-10, 88 pts) (PT) + -- -- ----------------- +Apr. 21 25 3- 3- 1, 7 pts +Year 338 340 39-35-10, 88 pts - 3rd Smythe, + 11th overall + +Playoffs: +--------- +April: +18 @ Calgary - 12:00 noon (7) +21 @ Calgary - 6:30 pm (PT) +23 vs Calgary - 7:30 pm (PT) +25 vs Calgary - 12:00 noon (7)** +*27 @ Calgary - 6:30 pm (PT) +*29 vs Calgary - 7:30 pm (PT) + +May: +*01 @ Calgary - 6:30 pm (PT) + +all times listed are Pacific Time. +*if necessary. +** may be shown on ABC, if televised by Prime Ticket, time is 7:30 pm. +=============================================================================== +Stan Willis (willis@empire.dnet.hac.com) +net contact: L.A. Kings + + >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> + talk with the L.A. Kings Mailing List ...... kings@cs.stanford.edu + to subscribe or unsubscribe: ....... kings-request@cs.stanford.edu + <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< +=============================================================================== +",10 +1377,"From: bcasavan@cougar.ecn.uoknor.edu (Brent Casavant) +Subject: Diamond Viper +Summary: Want information +Nntp-Posting-Host: cougar.ecn.uoknor.edu +Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA +Keywords: Any problems? +Lines: 16 + +Hi folks, + +At the end of the summer I'm planning on getting a new computer (486DX50 or +486DX2/66) and have been poking around in Computer Shopper. Anyway I saw +the ads for the Diamond Viper (Local Bus, 2MB memory, 50 million+ WinMarks) +and was wondering if anyone has had any experience with it (good/bad/not worth +the money/etc.) Any information at all would be nice. + +Also, a few other questions. Anyone know of a good cheap 15""+ 1024x768 NI +monitor? And what is a good CD-ROM drive that meets MPC standards and is +controlled via SCSI? How about a 250MB tape drive on SCSI? + +Thanks for your time, +Brent Casavant +bcasavan@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu + +",2 +3728,"From: wagnerbm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Brent) +Subject: Sony CarDiscman ForSale +Organization: Purdue University +Distribution: usa +Lines: 33 + + + I have a used Sony D-808K CarDiscman for sale. I bought it new on +June 16, 1992. It still has + the one-year warranty intact. +Specifications: +Sony's best car discman perfect condition +8X oversampling 1-bit D/A converter +3-beam laser pickup dual color display +DSP sound processing (Bass Boost and DDS modes) w/ 3 levels of effect +2-way repeat hold mode +can also run on just 2 AA batteries 30 track programming w/ repeat +random play w/ delete +fused cigarette lighter adapter (could save the player if something goes wrong + +Accesories: +headphone plug & line-out jack Sony MDR-34 headphones +AC power Adapter patch cord for home use +automobile mouting plate car conecting pack +remote control(great for home use) carrying case +extra fuses + +This unit is great to use in any car. Can be moved easily between vehicles. +Works well in home or car. Just need cigaraette lighter/outlet and a cassette +player. + I have everything that it came with manuals, packaging, receipts etc. +The unit is in perfect condition with normal well taken care of use. +Extremely versatile and manuverable unit that can be used anywhere. + I am asking $250 for the system and extras. Please e-mail if interested. + + Brent Wagner + wagnerbm@sage.cc.purdue.edu + (317) 495-4471 + +",6 +6965,"From: gregb@den.mmc.com (gregb) +Subject: Looking for crypto paper +Distribution: usa +Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver +Lines: 17 +Nntp-Posting-Host: tosgcla.den.mmc.com + +Looking for PostScript or Tex version of a paper called: + ""PUBLIC-KEY CRYPTOGRAPHY"" + +Written by: + James Nechvatal + Security Technology Group + National Computer Systems Laboratory + National Institute of Standards and Technology + Gaithersburg, MD 20899 + + December 1990 + +The version I obtained is plain text and all symbolic character +formatting has been lost. + +-- +gregb@tosgcla.den.mmc.com +",11 +5315,"From: luriem@alleg.edu The Liberalizer (Michael Lurie) +Subject: Yankee Meditations. +Article-I.D.: alleg.1993Apr6.205911.2654 +Organization: Allegheny College +Lines: 14 + + +Do you realize that the yankees are paying Matt Nokes 2,500,000 dollars +this year!!!! GEESH. And Maas only gets 125,000. + + + +By the way, the yankees are going to WIN IT ALL + + +Yankees are the BEST. + + + +By the way, JT Snow, an ex-yankee, will be rookie of the year. +",9 +8867,"From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) +Subject: Weirdness of Early Christians +Organization: Kulikauskas home +Lines: 21 + +halsall@murray.fordham.edu (Paul Halsall) writes: + +> But recently I read Peter Brown's _Body and Society_. It is very +> well researched, and well written. But is raises some very upsetting +> questions. The early Christians were weird - even more so than today's +> carzy fundies. They had odd views on sex, odder views on the body, +> totally ludicrous views about demons, and distinctly uncharitable +> views about other human beings. + +If possible (last I heard, it was out of print but they were considering +reprinting) read Barbara Hambly's _Search the Seven Hills_. It is +historical fiction, set in Rome at the time of the early Church. She +captures the weirdness of the early Christians and yet gives glimpses of +the holiness too. Some of their odd views make a lot more sense in the +context of the society they lived in. I found it a remarkably positive +view of Christianity considering that the author is not a Christian +herself. Another plus is that each chapter begins with an +original-source quote so that it makes a good starting point for serious +research. + +Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org +",15 +7520,"From: rg@futserv.austin.ibm.com (R.G. Keen) +Subject: EICO tube tester repairs? +Reply-To: ...futserv.austin.ibm.com!rg +Organization: IBM Coporation - Advanced Workstations and Systems. +Lines: 14 + +I had the good luck to obtain an EICO dynamic conductance +tube tester for a song. Unfortunately, I was a little out of +key; the only thing wrong with it was an open meter movement. +Does anyone know where I can find either another meter movement +like it, a dead-but-not-the-meter-dead unit, or schematics +to specify the current scale of the meter movement? I can cut +and paste a more sensitive movement in if I can find what the +full scale current was. Or... is EICO still contactable? + +The thing is a model 666 -nope, not a joke or any sort of snide +reference. + +R.G. + +",12 +1779,"From: bc@idx.com +Subject: Request info on a mystery PC card +Organization: IDX Corporation, S. Burlington, VT +Lines: 11 + +While rummaging through a box of old PC (5150) parts, I found a half-size +board that looks like a comm port board. It was made by Forte Data Systems and +has a copyright date of 1986 on it. The board provides a male 24-pin connector +and has 3 jumpers of 3 pins each, two labelled A B C. I plugged it into my PC +and ran Advanced diagnostics several times, changing the jumper positions each +time, but the system did not recognise a comm port. + +Does anyone have a clue as to what this board might be or how to configure it? +I could use another comm port if it's free. + +Bryan +",3 +2645,"From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) +Subject: Re: Increasing the number of Serial ports +Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden +Lines: 29 +Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se + +In <1993Apr18.134943.16479@bmers95.bnr.ca> slang@bnr.ca (Steven Langlois) writes: + +>If such a device exists, are there are any limits to the number of +>serial devices I can use? + +How many NuBus slots do you have? + +Applied Engineering has something called the QuadraLink, which is +a card with 4 serial ports that you get at through the comms +toolbox (in addition to the built-in ones) It also comes with +software for fooling applications to open an AE port when they +think they open a built-in port. + +They also have a more expensive card with DMA (better performance) +and I _think_ they, or someone else, have a card that handles +8 ports simultaneously. + +As I said, with NuBus, you're green. Learn how to use the Comms +Resource Manager to get at the various installed cards. + +Cheers, + + / h+ + +-- + -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- + ""You NEVER hide the menu bar. You might go about and change the color + of it to the color of the BACKGROUND, but you never HIDE the menu bar."" + -- Tog +",4 +2557,"From: push@media.mit.edu (Pushpinder Singh) +Subject: re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also! +Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory +Distribution: comp +Lines: 27 + +> When the computer is set for 256 colors and certain operations are done, +> particularly vertical scrolling through a window, horizontal white lines +> appear on the monitor (which generally but not always spare open +> windows). These lines accummulate as the operation is continued. If a +> window is moved over the involved area of the screen and then moved away +> the line disappear from that area of the screen. This problem is not +> observed if the monitor is configured for 16 colors or a 14 inch Apple +> monitor with 256 colors is used. +> +> I suspect a bad video RAM chip but cannot be certain. The problem has +> been apparent since day 1 but has gotten worse. + +I'm having exactly the same problem. Again, it's fine when I switch to 16 +colors or a smaller monitor. My configuration is: + +Model: Centris 610 with 4 MB/80 HD, 512 VRAM, no cards +Monitor: MAG MX15F with 16"" monitor adaptor (for resolution of 832*624) + +I just discovered the problem a little while ago after plugging in my +new MAG monitor. It seems to appear either when scrolling through a +window or when using Alpha or Word and I enter . + +My guess is bad VRAMs as well. I really hope it isn't a design flaw. Is +anyone at Apple listening? + +Pushpinder Singh +push@media.mit.edu +",4 +2176,"From: damien@b63519.student.cwru.edu (Damien Neil) +Subject: Re: How hot should the cpu be? +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) +Lines: 16 +Distribution: na +NNTP-Posting-Host: b63519.student.cwru.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] + +christopher kushmerick (kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov) wrote: + +: How hot should the CPU in a 486-33 DX machine be? + +: Currently it gets so hot that I can not hold a finger on it for more than +: 0.5 s. + +I seem to recall that 486s run somewhere close to the boiling point of water. +Anyone have an exact temperature? + +Anyway, putting a CPU fan/heat sink on it won't hurt and could help. Depends +on how paranoid you are... +-- +Damien Neil dpn2@po.cwru.edu ""Until someone debugs reality, the best +Case Western Reserve University I can do is a quick patch here and there."" +CMPS/EEAP Linux -- the choice of a GNU generation. -Erik Green +",3 +7236,"From: jeh@cmkrnl.com +Subject: Re: Need help with car stereo.... +Organization: Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego, CA +Lines: 38 + +In article <1qih53$9ho@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ae454@cleveland.Freenet.Edu + (Paul Simundza) writes: +> My friend has a nice Alpine car stereo, and it only has 2 channels, +> but one of them does not work. It does not put out any current or voltage +> at all, is that channel therefore blown? I then shut the radio off and +> ran continuity into the two speaker ouputs of the channel, and it charged +> and discharged so I know the wires just aint bad.... + +This probably only tells you that the DC blocking capacitor that's in series +between the one-chip, single-ended audio amp and the speaker terminal is there. + +> any Ideas? + +Open it up and look for the power amp ""ICs"". They'll be fairly obvious. +Replace the one connected to the dead output. + +> also, +> how would I locate where the signal of the radio/tape unit is BEFORE it +> gets amplified, because then couldn't I hook up RCA outputs to that signal +> so then he could just use a little amplifier? + +Well, one thing you should do is poke around the terminals of the power amp +chips. Use a probe with a 10M resistor (like a scope probe) connected to the +input of a small audio amp w/speaker. If you find line-level input to both +chips, one of the chips is bad and can probably replaced pretty easily. + +If you want to pick off a near-line-level signal, suitable for feeding to an +outboard amp, the outer legs of the volume control pot will often be good +enough. This is *before* the volume control (and usually before the tone and +balance controls too). If you take off from the center and ground legs of +the volume pot, this will be after the volume control (but again, probably +before the other controls). + +If the unit is a modern type with an electronic volume control chip, you should +probably forget the whole thing. + + --- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego CA +Internet: jeh@cmkrnl.com Uucp: uunet!cmkrnl!jeh CIS: 74140,2055 +",12 +4979,"From: jet@netcom.Netcom.COM (J. Eric Townsend) +Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points... +In-Reply-To: cjackson@adobe.com's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1993 21:13:40 GMT +Organization: Netcom Online Communications Service + <1993Apr19.211340.12407@adobe.com> +Lines: 25 + +""cjackson"" == Curtis Jackson writes: + +cjackson> I am very glad to know that none of you judgemental little shits has +cjackson> ridden/driven when too tired, sleepy, hungover, angry, or distracted +cjackson> in the last 3 years. Why, if you had then you might be just as guilty + +Some of us not-so judgmental little shits don't drive/ride when we're +impaired. I stopped doing that sort of thing when a good friend of +mine got killed by a drunk driver who failed to stop for a red and +drove through the side of her volvo in his '72 caddy. + +Then again, I suspect most of the responsible adults on the net don't +bother posting in flame wars on rec.moto. + +cjackson> ""There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom +cjackson> in the guise of public safety."" -- Thomas Jefferson + +He also owned slaves, kept some as forced concubines, and had enough +resources to do what he wanted without fear of reprisal. Then again, +he also smoked dope. +-- +jet@netcom.com -- J. Eric Townsend -- '92 R100R, DoD# (hafta kill you...) +This is my fun account -- work email goes to jet@nas.nasa.gov +""You got to put down the ducky if you wanna play saxophone."" +Skate UNIX or die, boyo. +",8 +6316,"From: d_jaracz@oz.plymouth.edu (David R. Jaracz) +Subject: Re: Octopus in Detroit? +Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH. +Lines: 16 + +In article <93106.092246DLMQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Harold Zazula writes: +>I was watching the Detroit-Minnesota game last night and thought I saw an +>octopus on the ice after Ysebaert scored to tie the game at two. What gives? + +No no no!!! It's a squid! Keep the tradition alive! (Kinda like the +fish at UNH games....) + +>(is there some custom to throw octopuses on the ice in Detroit?) +>------- +>Not Responsible -- Dain Bramaged!! +> +>Harold Zazula +>dlmqc@cunyvm.cuny.edu +>hzazula@alehouse.acc.qc.edu + + +",10 +5759,"From: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu (David J.) +Subject: Re: Yankee Bullpen - HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! +Nntp-Posting-Host: clove.journalism.indiana.edu +Reply-To: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu +Organization: Indiana University +Lines: 15 + +Alan Sepinwall writes +> [Bullpen Blues deleted] +> +> What's Buck gonna do? And what's George gonna do if this continues to happen? +> +> -Alan + +George will do the only logical thing he can do when the Yanks' bullpen isn't +performing -- fire the manager. + +-- +David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993 +*-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------* +***""THE RAP IS AN ART EP"" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.*** +*------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------* +",9 +2851,"From: queloz@bernina.ethz.ch (Ronald Queloz) +Subject: whole win on screen? +Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH +Lines: 18 + +Window placement on screen +-------------------------- + +I would like to configure my system (a HP UNIX) to avoid that any corner +of a given window is displayed outside of the visible screen. The whole +window should be visible and it should be impossible to move any window +outside the visible aerea. + +1. Can this be done by configuring the window manager's resources + +2. Can this be done on applikation level + +3. A hardcoded solution is possible, but is it possible to have a + upper limit of a given window size + + +Thank you for information and help + +",5 +9662,"From: k@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Steve Kao) +Subject: Re: Blast them next time +Organization: Hewlett Packard Roseville Site +Lines: 16 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: hprnd.rose.hp.com +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.8] + +Daniel Oldham (oldham@ces.cwru.edu) wrote: +> The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored +> transports. ... + +> With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with +> mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few +> women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn +> to death 51 days later. + +Is this a joke? The legal way to serve a search warrant is to knock on +the door. Tossing in a grenade to serve a search warrant violates the +US Constitution and is hence, illegal. The BD complied with legal +search warrants in the past. I do not understand why the BATF used an +illegal means to serve their search warrant last February. + +- Steve Kao +",16 +2627,"From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo) +Subject: Quadra 700 Memory Install FAQ +Organization: University of Washington +Lines: 69 +NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu +Summary: Instructions for Quadra 700 memory installation +Keywords: memory,quadra,700,install + +This is turning into a FAQ + + +Here is how to violate your Quadra 700 warranty and install your own +memory. + +1) Insert usual disclaimer here + +2) Remove the top lid of the machine. You will see the floppy disk and + hard drive mounted in a plastic tower. Follow the usual anti-static + precautions and of course make sure the machine is OFF when you do + this. Unplug the wall and monitor power supply cords from the back + of the mac. + +3) Remove the power supply by pulling the plastic interlocking tab on the + tower forward and simultaneously pulling the power supply straight up. + The tab is a piece of plastic from the left posterior aspect of the + tower which extends downward to hook on to the power supply. You may + also feel a horseshoe shaped piece at the right portion of the power + supply. Leave that alone. The plastic tab from the tower is all you + need release. + +4) Look at the rear of the tower assembly. You will see the flat ribbon + SCSI connector to the hard drive, a power cable and a flat ribbon cable + leading to the floppy drive. Disconnect all these from the motherboard. + The hard drive power cable connector has a tab which must be squeezed + to release it. + +5) Unplug the drive activity LED from its clear plastic mount + +6) Look down the posterior, cylindrical section of the plastic tower. A + phillips head screw is at the base. Remove it, taking care not to drop + it into the case. A bit of gummy glue on your screwdriver is helpful + here. + +7) Remove the tower assembly by pulling medially the plastic tab on the + right side of the tower. This tab prevents the tower from sliding + posteriorly. Slide the entire tower assembly 1 cm posteriorly then + lift the tower assembly straight up and out of the case. + +8) Congratulations, you have now gained access to your machine's SIMM + slots. + +9) The six big slots are for VRAM. One usually must install all six to + gain useful video modes. All SIMMS (RAM or VRAM) installed with their + chips facing the front of the motherboard. + + The four smaller sockets in front are for RAM SIMMS. Install SIMMS in + sets of four into these sockets. Be sure you seat the SIMMS squarely + and firmly into a fully upright position. + +10) Reinstall the tower assembly by first placing the right wall of the + tower against the right wall of the case with the tower assembly about + 1 cm posterior of its intended position. Lower the tower assembly into + place while maintaining contact with the right wall of the case. + Once fully down, slide the tower assembly anteriorly until it clicks + into place. + +11) Reconnect the motherboard ends of the cables. DONT'T FORGET THE FLOPPY + DRIVE CABLE. + +12) Replace the phillips head screw + +13) Drop the power supply straight down into place until it clicks in. + +14) Plug the hard drive activity light back into its clear plastic mount + +Guy Kuo + +",4 +8053,"From: kelley@vet.vet.purdue.edu (Stephen Kelley) +Subject: Re: Should I be angry at this doctor? +Organization: Purdue University SVM +Distribution: na +Lines: 32 + +In article <1993Apr21.155714.1@stsci.edu> mryan@stsci.edu writes: +- Am I justified in being pissed off at this doctor? +- +- Last Saturday evening my 6 year old son cut his finger badly with a knife. +- I took him to a local ""Urgent and General Care"" clinic at 5:50 pm. The + + [story deleted] + +- be bothered. My son did get three stitches at the emergency room. I'm still +- trying to find out who is in charge of that clinic so I can write them a +- letter. We will certainly never set foot in that clinic again. +- + +The people in charge already know what kind of 'care' they are +providing, and they don't give a rat's ass about your repeat business. + +You are much more likely to do some good writing to local newspapers, +and broadcast news shows. If you do, keep the letter short and to the point +so they don't discard it out of hand, and emphasize exactly what you +are upset about. + +It's possible that the local health department can help you complain to +someone official, but really, that 'clinic' exists for the sole purpose +of generating walk-in income through advertising, and *nothing* you can do +will change them -- all you can hope for is to help someone else avoid them. + +I'm glad it sounds like your son did ok, anyway. + +My opinion only, of course, +Steve + + +",13 +49,"From: Nanci Ann Miller +Subject: Re: Concerning God's Morality (long) +Organization: Sponsored account, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 56 + <1993Apr5.084042.822@batman.bmd.trw.com> +NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu +In-Reply-To: <1993Apr5.084042.822@batman.bmd.trw.com> + + +jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: +> > Sorry, but there are no supernatural +> > forces necessary to create a pathogen. You are saying, ""Since +> > diseases are bad, the bad entity must have created it."" So +> > what would you say about acid rain, meteors falling from the +> > sky, volcanoes, earthquakes, and other QUOTE UNQUOTE ""Acts +> > of God?"" +> +> I would say that they are not ""acts of God"" but natural +> occurrences. + +It amazes me that you have the audacity to say that human creation was not +the result of the natural process of evolution (but rather an ""act of God"") +and then in the same post say that these other processes (volcanos et al.) +are natural occurrences. Who gave YOU the right to choose what things are +natural processes and what are direct acts of God? How do you know that +God doesn't cause each and every natural disaster with a specific purpose +in mind? It would certainly go along with the sadistic nature I've seen in +the bible. + +> >>Even if Satan had nothing to do with the original inception of +> >>disease, evolution by random chance would have produced them since +> >>humanity forsook God's protection. If we choose to live apart from +> >>God's law (humanity collectively), then it should come as no surprise +> >>that there are adverse consequences to our (collective) action. One +> >>of these is that we are left to deal with disease and disorders which +> >>inevitably result in an entropic universe. +> > +> > May I ask, where is this 'collective' bullcrap coming from? +> +> By ""collective"" I was referring to the idea that God works with +> humanity on two levels, individually and collectively. If mankind +> as a whole decides to undertake a certain action (the majority of +> mankind), then God will allow the consequences of that action to +> affect mankind as a whole. + +Adam & Eve (TWO PEOPLE), even tho they had the honor (or so you christians +claim) of being the first two, definitely do NOT represent a majority in +the billions and trillions (probably more) of people that have come after +them. Perhaps they were the majority then, but *I* (and YOU) weren't +around to vote, and perhaps we might have voted differently about what to +do with that tree. But your god never asked us. He just assumes that if +you have two bad people then they ALL must be bad. Hmm. Sounds like the +same kind of false generalization that I see many of the theists posting +here resorting to. So THAT's where they get it... shoulda known. + +> Jim B. + +Nanci + +......................................................................... +If you know (and are SURE of) the author of this quote, please send me +email (nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu): +Lying to ourselves is more deeply ingrained than lying to others. + +",0 +9037,"From: pwhite@empros.com (Peter White) +Subject: Some questions from a new Christian +Lines: 50 + +Reply-To: pwhite@empros.com +In article , 18669@bach.udel.edu (Steven R Hoskins) writes: + +|> I have another question I would like to ask. I am not yet affiliated +|> with any one congregation. Aside from matters of taste, what criteria +|> should one use in choosing a church? I don't really know the difference +|> between the various Protestant denominations. + +Here in America people tend to think of choosing a church much like they +think of choosing a car or a country club. What I mean is that our +culture is such that we tend towards satisfying our own wants rather +than considering things with others in mind and not making prayer +an initial and primary part of the decision process. People tend to +treat church as they would a club and when something is less than to +their liking, off they go to another one. + +I think that scripture presents the idea that God takes a different +perspective on the ""church choosing process"". It seems to me from 1Cor 12 +that God doesn't subscribe to the idea of us choosing a church at all +but that he places us in the body as he wants us. So, I think a better +question is not how do I choose a church but how do I figure out where +God is trying to place me. + +If a person was instrumental in leading you to Christ, the church they +go to is a logical first choice. You have been born into the family of +God. People should hop around from church to church as often as they +hop from natural family to family. + +If you met the Lord on your own (so to speak) there may not be an +easily identifiable church to try for starters. Here you are more +like an orphan. Prayerfully go and ""leave yourself on a few doorsteps"" +and see if anyplace feels like home. + +I wouldn't expect that God want to place you in a church where you +have difficulty fitting in with the people, but on the other hand +there are no perfect churches. If you have an attitude of looking +for problems you will both find them and make them. On the other hand +if you have an attitude of love and committment, you will spread that +wherever you go. + +In general, I think that God will try to place you in a church that +talks about the Lord in the way that you have come to know him and is +expanding on that base. +-- +Peter White +disclaimer: None of what is written necessarily reflects + a view of my company. + Phil I want to know Christ and the power of his + 3:10 resurrection and the fellowship of sharing in + NIV his sufferings, becoming like him in his death +",15 +7682,"From: mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu +Subject: NATURAL ANTI-cancer/AIDS Remedies +Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire +Lines: 224 + + + + The biggest reason why the cost of medical care is so EXTREMELY high and +increasing is that NATURAL methods of treatment and even diagnosis are still +being SYSTEMATICALLY IGNORED and SUPPRESSED by the MONEY-GRUBBING and POWER- +MONGERING ""medical"" establishment. + Some examples of very low cost NATURAL ANTI-cancer Remedies are listed in +the following article: + + + NATURAL ANTI-CANCER REMEDIES + A 3RD OPINION + + ( Some of these Remedies also work against AIDS. ) + + + DISCLAIMER: This list was compiled from unorthodox sources + that have shown themselves to be reliable. The compiler of + this list is NOT a doctor of any kind, but is exercising his + First Amendment Constitutional RIGHT of FREE SPEECH on the + subjects of his choice. + + + ( MOST of these Remedies can be found in ANY Grocery Store. + MOST of the rest of them can be found in ANY Health Food + Store. What is important is HOW they are used, and what + else is EXCLUDED DURING their use. ) + + + (1) THE 7-DAY FAST. + 1st day: Eat as much fresh fruit as you want, one kind + at a time, preferably grapes. + 2nd day: Eat all the vegetables you want, at least half + raw, including GARLIC; also, whole kernel corn to help scrape + clean the intestinal linings. + 3rd day: Drink all the fresh fruit and vegetable juice + you want. Preferably start with 16 to 32 ounces of prune + juice WITH PULP, followed by a gallon of pure (NOT from + concentrate) apple juice, then grape juice. (Stay close to + your home bathroom.) + 4th day: Eat all the UN-salted nuts (NO peanuts) and + dried fruit you want, preferably raisins and almonds (ALMONDS + CONTAIN LAETRILE.). + 5th day: ONE GALLON OF LEMONADE. Squeeze the juice from + two lemons into a gallon of water (preferably distilled), and + add 2 to 4 tablespoons of locally-made honey, (NO sugar). + Drink one glass per hour. + [EVERYone, including healthy people, should do this one day + every week, preceded by a large glass of prune juice WITH + PULP.] + 6th day: Same as 5th day. + 7th day: Same as 6th day. + All 7 days, eat ONLY the foods listed above for each + day, along with your usual vitamin and mineral supplements, + plus as much DISTILLED WATER as you want. + + (2) THE GRAPE DIET. + Eat 2 to 3 ounces of fresh grapes every 2 hours, 8 AM to + 8 PM, every day for six days. Eat NOTHING else during the + six days, but drink as much DISTILLED WATER as you want. + + (3) APPLE CIDER VINEGAR. + Mix a teaspoon of pure apple cider vinegar (NOT apple + cider ""flavored"" vinegar. Regular vinegar is HARMFUL.) in a + glass of water (preferably distilled) and drink all of it. + Do this 3 or 4 times per day, for 3 weeks; then stop for a + week. Repeat if desired. Do this along with a normal + healthy diet of natural foods. This remedy is especially + effective against those types of cancer that resemble a + FUNGUS, as well as against other kinds of fungus infections. + + (4) THE SEA-SALT & SODA BATH. [Please keep an OPEN MIND.] + Fill a bathtub with moderately warm water so the level + comes up almost to the overflow drain when you get in. + Immerse yourself in it for a minute, and then completely + dissolve in the bath water 1 pound of SUN-evaporated SEA-salt + (regular salt won't work.) and 1 pound of fresh baking-soda. + Soak in this bath for 10 to 20 minutes, while exercising + your fingers, toes, and limbs, turning sideways and onto your + stomach, dunking your head, sitting up and laying back down, + chomping your teeth together, etc.. + Among other things, the SEA-salt & Soda Bath neutralizes + the accumulated effects of X-rays, etc., as described in the + book ""Born To Be Magnetic, Vol. 2"", by Frances Nixon, 1973. + PRECAUTIONS: Only the ONE person using each bath should + prepare it and drain it. + For at least 30 minutes after taking the bath, stay away + from, and even out of sight of, other people. (Your greatly + expanded Aura energy-field during that time could disrupt + other people's fields.) Two hours after the bath, eat at + least 8 ounces of yogurt containing ACTIVE Yogurt Cultures. + (The bath may kill FRIENDLY bacteria also.) Better yet, take + a 2-Billion-bacteria ""Acidophilus"" capsule, which is also an + EXCELLENT DAILY REMEDY AGAINST THE EFFECTS OF ""A.I.D.S."" + (because it kills all kinds of harmful bacteria in the + digestive tract, taking a big load off the remaining immune + system). [Because this external bath can kill IN-ternal + bacteria, it may also be a CURE for ""Lyme disease"".] + Do NOT take this bath within a few hundred miles of a thunder + storm, within 3 days of a full moon, nor during ""Major"" or + ""Minor Periods"" as listed in the ""Solunar Tables"" published + bimonthly in ""Field & Stream"" Magazine, (because of the + measurable disruptive ambient environmental energy-fields + present at those times). + Do NOT take this bath more than four times per year. + + (5) MISCELLANEOUS NATURAL ANTI-CANCER REMEDIES: + + For skin cancer, apply STABILIZED Aloe Vera Jel to the + affected skin twice daily, and take 2 to 4 tablespoons + per day of STABILIZED Aloe Vera Juice internally, for + about 2 months. + + D.M.S.O. (Dimethyl Sulfoxide) causes cancer cells to + perform NORMAL cell functions. + + ALMONDS (UN-blanched, UN-roasted) CONTAIN LAETRILE. + To help prevent cancer, eat several almonds every day. + To help cure cancer, eat several OUNCES of almonds per + day. + [NEVER take large concentrated doses of Laetrile orally. + IT WILL KILL YOU! Take it INTRAVENOUSLY ONLY. (Cancer + cells contain a certain enzyme which converts Laetrile + into cyanide, which then kills the cell. This enzyme is + ALSO present in the digestive system.)] + + ANTI-OXIDANTS are FREE-RADICAL SCAVENGERS, and include + Vitamin E, Selenium (200 mcg. per day is safe for most + people.), Chromium (up to 100 mcg. per day), Vitamin A + (25,000 IU per day is safe for most people.), Superoxide + Dismutase (up to 4,000,000 Units per day), Vitamin C (up + to 3000 mg. per day), and BHT (Butylated Hydroxy- + toluene), [1 to 4 capsules of BHT every night at bedtime + will also MAKE ONE IMMUNE AGAINST HERPES (BOTH types), + suppress herpes symptoms if one already has herpes, + prevent spreading herpes to other people, but will not + cure herpes. BHT MIGHT ALSO DO THESE THINGS AGAINST + ""A.I.D.S."", which is really a form of cancer similar to + leukemia.] (See the book ""Life Extension"", by Durk + Pearson and Sandy Shaw.) + + HYDROGEN-PEROXIDE. Dilute twelve(12) drops of 3% + hydrogen-peroxide in a glass of pure water (preferably + DISTILLED) and drink it. Do this once or twice per day, + hours before or after eating or drinking anything else. + Apply 3% hydrogen-peroxide directly to skin cancers + several times per day. + Use hydrogen-peroxide ONLY if you are taking a good + daily dose of some of the various anti-oxidants + described above. + + VITAMIN & MINERAL SUPPLEMENTS are more effective, and + much less expensive, when COMBINED together in MEGA + doses into SINGLE tablets made from NATURAL sources. + + Cancer cells can NOT live in a strong (100,000 Maxwell) + NORTH MAGNETIC FIELD, especially if it is pulsating on + and off. [A strong south magnetic field is an + aphrodisiac.] In my opinion, ALL types of ionizing- + radiation treatments for cancer should be REPLACED with + daily 30-minute doses of pulsating 100,000-Maxwell NORTH + magnetic fields. + + Properly made and operated RADIONICS/PSIONICS MACHINES + can both diagnose and cure all forms of cancer, as well + as most other medical problems. Some Radionics/Psionics + Machines can even take cross-sectional X-ray-like photos + of cancer tumors, etc., with-OUT X-rays! + + INTERFERON tablets. + + TAHEEBO TEA, (Lapacho). + + HOMEOPATHY can cure cancer, and many other medical + problems (even drug addiction!). + + 50 mg. per day of CHELATED ZINC can help prevent or cure + prostate trouble. + + This list is NOT exhaustive. + + + The above NATURAL Remedies can CURE both diagnosed AND UN- + DIAGNOSED cancers, as well as PREVENT them, and also prevent + and cure many other medical problems including heart- + diseases. They are NOT too simple and inexpensive to work + effectively. + + Besides acting on a person biologically and chemically, these + remedies, especially The 7-Day Fast and The Grape Diet, send + a strong message to one's subconscious mind, PROGRAMMING it + to CURE the cancer. + + In my opinion, if a person finds out that s/he has cancer, + then s/he should promptly try at least the first 4 remedies + described above, in sequence (starting with The 7-Day Fast), + BEFORE resorting to the UN-natural and expensive mutilations + and agonies [POISON, BURN, and MUTILATE!] of orthodox cancer + treatment [organi$ed-CRIME!]. + + + DISCLAIMER: This list was compiled from unorthodox sources + that have shown themselves to be reliable. The compiler of + this list is NOT a doctor of any kind, but is exercising his + First Amendment Constitutional RIGHT of FREE SPEECH on the + subjects of his choice. + + + FOR MORE INFORMATION, contact Cancer Control Society, 2043 N. + Berendo St., Los Angeles, CA 90027, and/or other organiza- + tions listed in the ""Alternative Medicine"" and ""Holistic + Medicine"" portions of the ""Health and Medical Organizations"" + Section (Section 8) of the latest edition of the ""Encyclope- + dia of Associations"" reference book in your local public or + university library. + + + UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this + IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. + + + Robert E. McElwaine + + +",13 +1861,"From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) +Subject: Re: Soundblaster IRQ and Port settings +Lines: 22 +Nntp-Posting-Host: pittpa.cray.com +Organization: Cray Research Inc. +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +The Cybard (dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote: +: uzun@netcom.com (William Roger Uzun) writes: + +: >I have a SoundBlaster board in a 486-SX PC, and I have it +: >jumpered to IRQ 7, port 220h. Will this conflict with my +: >parallel port? I just have an IDE controller, a multi-IO board +: >with 2ser, 1Par port and a VGA board. Should I choose +: >another IRQ besides 7? Or is IRQ 7 safe to use on 486 Motherboards? + +: Recently I was adding a modem to my computer, and I noticed that LPT1 uses +: IRQ-7 and so does my SB card (220h). I've never had a problem, but I'm +: just wondering why not. I thought this would cause a conflict. + +I would also like an explanation of this. If anyone can explain +why the SB Pro and LPT 1 can share an IRQ, please do so. +Thanks + +-- +_____________________________________________________________________________ +Tom Huot +huot@cray.com +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +",3 +11151,"From: mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu +Subject: THE DIVINE MASTERS +Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire +Lines: 208 + + + + THE DIVINE MASTERS + + Most Christians would agree, and correctly so, that + Jesus Christ was a Divine Master, and a projection of God + into the physical world, God Incarnate. + + But there are some very important related facts that + Christians are COMPLETELY IGNORANT of, as are followers of + most other world religions. + + First, Jesus Christ was NOT unique, John 3:16 NOTWITH- + STANDING. There is ALWAYS at least one such Divine Master + (God Incarnate) PHYSICALLY ALIVE in this world AT ALL TIMES, + a continuous succession THROUGHOUT HISTORY, both before and + after the life of Jesus. + + The followers of some of these Masters founded the + world's major religions, usually PERVERTING the teachings of + their Master in the process. Christians, for example, added + THREATS of ""ETERNAL DAMNATION"" in Hell, and DELETED the + teaching of REincarnation. + + Secondly, and more importantly, after a particular + Master physically dies and leaves this world, there is + NOTHING that He can do for ANYbody except for the relatively + few people that He INITIATED while He was still PHYSICALLY + alive. (THAT IS SIMPLY THE WAY GOD SET THINGS UP IN THE + UNIVERSES.) + + Therefore, all those Christians who worship Jesus, and + pray to Jesus, and expect Jesus to return and save them from + their sins, are only KIDDING THEMSELVES, and have allowed + themselves to be DUPED by a religion that was mostly + MANUFACTURED by the Romans. + + And emotional ""feelings"" are a TOTALLY DECEIVING + indicator for religious validity. + + These things are similarly true for followers of most + other major world religions, including Islam. + + Thirdly, the primary function of each Master is to tune + His Initiates into the ""AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM"" or ""SOUND + CURRENT"", (referred to as ""THE WORD"" in John 1:1-5, and as + ""The River of Life"" in Revelation 22:1), and to personally + guide each of them thru the upper levels of Heaven while they + are still connected to their living physical bodies by a + ""silver cord"". + + True Salvation, which completes a Soul's cycles of + REincarnation in the physical and psychic planes, is achieved + only by reaching at least the ""SOUL PLANE"", which is five + levels or universes above the physical universe, and this + canNOT be done without the help of a PHYSICALLY-Living Divine + Master. + + One such Divine Master alive today is an American, Sri + Harold Klemp, the Living ""Eck"" Master or ""Mahanta"" for the + ""Eckankar"" organization, now headquartered in Minneapolis, + (P.O. Box 27300; zip 55427). + + Another Divine Master is Maharaj Gurinder Singh Ji, now + living in Punjab, India, and is associated with the ""Sant + Mat"" organization. + + One of the classic books on this subject is ""THE PATH OF + THE MASTERS"" (Radha Soami Books, P.O. Box 242, Gardena, CA + 90247), written in 1939 by Dr. Julian Johnson, a theologian + and surgeon who spent the last years of his life in India + studying under and closely observing the Sant Mat Master of + that time, Maharaj Sawan Singh Ji. + + Several of the Eckankar books, including some authored + by Sri Paul Twitchell or Sri Harold Klemp, can be found in + most public and university libraries and some book stores, or + obtained thru inter-library loan. The book ""ECKANKAR--THE + KEY TO SECRET WORLDS"", by Sri Paul Twitchell, is ANOTHER + classic. + + Many Christians are likely to confuse the Masters with + the ""Anti-Christ"", which is or was to be a temporary world + dictator during the so-called ""last days"". But the Masters + don't ever rule, even when asked or expected to do so as + Jesus was. + + People who continue following Christianity, Islam, or + other orthodox religions with a physically-DEAD Master, will + CONTINUE on their cycles of REincarnation, between the + Psychic Planes and this MISERABLE physical world, until they + finally accept Initiation from a PHYSICALLY-LIVING Divine + Master. + + + + RE-INCARNATION + + The book ""HERE AND HEREAFTER"", by Ruth Montgomery, + describes several kinds of evidence supporting REincarnation + as a FACT OF LIFE, including HYPNOTIC REGRESSIONS to past + lives [about 50% accurate; the subconscious mind sometimes + makes things up, especially with a bad hypnotist], + SPONTANEOUS RECALL (especially by young children, some of + whom can identify their most recent previous relatives, + homes, possessions, etc.), DREAM RECALL of past life experi- + ences, DEJA VU (familiarity with a far off land while travel- + ing there for the first time on vacation), the psychic read- + ings of the late EDGAR CAYCE, and EVEN SUPPORTING STATEMENTS + FROM THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE including Matthew 17:11-13 (John the + Baptist was the REINCARNATION of Elias.) and John 9:1-2 (How + can a person POSSIBLY sin before he is born, unless he LIVED + BEFORE?!). [ ALWAYS use the ""KING JAMES VERSION"". Later + versions are PER-VERSIONS! ] + + Strong INTERESTS, innate TALENTS, strong PHOBIAS, etc., + typically originate from a person's PAST LIVES. For example, + a strong fear of swimming in or traveling over water usually + results from having DROWNED at the end of a PREVIOUS LIFE. + And sometimes a person will take AN IMMEDIATE DISLIKE to + another person being met for the first time in THIS life, + because of a bad encounter with him during a PREVIOUS + INCARNATION. + + The teaching of REincarnation also includes the LAW OF + KARMA (Galatians 6:7, Revelation 13:10, etc.). People would + behave much better toward each other if they knew that their + actions in the present will surely be reaped by them in the + future, or in a FUTURE INCARNATION! + + + + ""2nd COMINGS"" + + If a Divine Master physically dies (""translates"") + before a particular Initiate of His does, then when that + Initiate physically dies (""translates""), the Master will meet + him on the Astral level and take him directly to the Soul + Plane. This is the ONE AND ONLY correct meaning of a 2nd + Coming. It is an INDIVIDUAL experience, NOT something that + happens for everyone all at once. People who are still + waiting for Jesus' ""2nd Coming"" are WAITING IN VAIN. + + + + PLANES OF EXISTENCE + + The physical universe is the LOWEST of at least a DOZEN + major levels of existence. Above the Physical Plane is the + Astral Plane, the Causal Plane, the Mental Plane, the Etheric + Plane (often counted as the upper part of the Mental Plane), + the Soul Plane, and several higher Spiritual Planes. The + Soul Plane is the FIRST TRUE HEAVEN, (counting upward from + the Physical). The planes between (but NOT including) the + Physical and Soul Planes are called the Psychic Planes. + + It is likely that ESP, telepathy, astrological + influences, radionic effects, biological transmutations [See + the 1972 book with that title.], and other phenomena without + an apparent physical origin, result from INTERACTIONS between + the Psychic Planes and the Physical Plane. + + The major planes are also SUB-DIVIDED. For example, a + sub-plane of the Astral Plane is called ""Hades"", and the + Christian Hell occupies a SMALL part of it, created there + LESS THAN 2000 YEARS AGO by the EARLY CATHOLIC CHURCH by some + kind of black magic or by simply teaching its existence in a + THREATENING manner. The Christian ""Heaven"" is located + elsewhere on the Astral Plane. Good Christians will go there + for a short while and then REincarnate back to Earth. + + + + SOUND CURRENT vs. BLIND FAITH + + The Christian religion demands of its followers an + extraordinary amount of BLIND FAITH backed up by little more + than GOOD FEELING (which is TOTALLY DECEIVING). + + If a person is not HEARING some form of the ""SOUND + CURRENT"" (""THE WORD"", ""THE BANI"", ""THE AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM""), + then his cycles of REINCARNATION in this MISERABLE world WILL + CONTINUE. + + The ""SOUND CURRENT"" manifests differently for different + Initiates, and can sound like a rushing wind, ocean waves on + the sea shore, buzzing bees, higher-pitched buzzing sound, a + flute, various heavenly music, or other sounds. In Eckankar, + Members start hearing it near the end of their first year as + a Member. This and other experiences (such as ""SOUL TRAVEL"") + REPLACE blind faith. + + + + For more information, answers to your questions, etc., + please consult my CITED SOURCES (3 books, 2 addresses). + + + + UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this + IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. + + + Robert E. McElwaine + 2nd Initiate in Eckankar, + (but not an agent thereof) + + +",19 +10601,"From: bernard@sirius.gte.com (Bernard Silver) +Subject: Re: Bill Conklin (et al) 's letter + <1993Apr3.231858.27507@midway.uchicago.edu> +Organization: GTE Laboratories Incorporated +Lines: 27 +In-reply-to: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu's message of 3 Apr 93 23:18:58 GMT + +In article <1993Apr3.231858.27507@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes: + In article <1993Apr3.223215.20655@colorado.edu> ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU (A.J. Teel) writes: + > Well, the two nifty letters giving concrete proof that the + >Income Tax is voluntary and giving specific procedures for stopping + >withholding, et cetera have been out there for a while now. + > There has been no refutation to date. Have the nay-sayers + >finally given up as defeated? Sure would like to hear there reasons + >for disbelief at this point. + + Probably because you have yet to respond to the refutation I've posted. + Teel, it's bad enough you post this bs, it's even worse that you don't + even try to defend it when it gets torn to pieces, but then posting + that no one's looked at it and gloating when all facts point to the + contrary point to a severely deluded mind. + +What I found interesting about Conklin's letter is the +6 cases he has won against the IRS. Now, assuming that +these cases really exist and were one by him (anyone checked?) +they may have nothing to do with his major tax claim. The IRS fought +one of his deductions. Defending your deductions seems puny when +you believe that there is no need to file in the first place! + +-- + Bernard Silver + GTE Laboratories + bsilver@gte.com + (617) 466-2663 +",18 +10839,"From: chloupek@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu +Subject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict +Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics +Lines: 27 + +In article , mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes: +> +> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, I was under the impression that the Marines +> in question invited Clinton down for the same treatment. While a +> bar fight is a bar fight, threatening the Commander in Chief seems +> a rather unprofessional thing for a professional soldier to do... +> +> +Also, it appears that two of the three Marines have some sort of charges +pending against them from another fight they were in a week before. +Interesting. + +Frank + + +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +Frank R. Chloupek +CHLOUPEK@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu +Department of Physics -- *The* Ohio State University +(Not just any Ohio State University) + +""There is only one hard-and-fast rule about the place to have a party: +somebody else's place."" + --P.J. O'Rourke + + +",18 +7358,"From: willisw@willisw.ENG.CLEMSON.edu (Bill Willis) +Subject: Re: Mysterious MOSFET +Organization: Engineering Services, Clemson University +Lines: 23 + +In article <1qug3sINN90g@rave.larc.nasa.gov> kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) writes: + +>I have a MOSFET pulled out of a Trygon power supply, for which I have no +>manual. It's a Motorola part with a 1972 date code and the number + +> 285-4 + +>which the Motorola folks assure me is a house number, which they can't +>help me with. Any suggestions from folks out there? I can't put it on +>a curve tracer to try to get an equivalent, since it's completely shot. +>--scott +Since your MOSFET is a 1972 vintage, it's probably not a very good one by +today's standards. If you have an idea about its voltage and current +ratings, e.g. 60VDC @ 6A, you can probably get away with replacing it with +anything with better specs. Early MOSFETS had a gate-source voltage rating +of approximately +/- 20 VDCmax, and they would usually turn completely ""ON"" +at +10VDC. Otherwise, MOSFETS are not really mysterious -- they're more or +less voltage controlled current sources. If the MOSFET in your circuit is +used as an open-loop, voltage controlled current source, you may have to +experiment with various gain-altering techniques. + +Bill Willis willisw@coe-nw.clemson.edu +(803) 656-5550 +",12 +3059,"From: nancie@neko.CSS.GOV (Nancie P. Marin) +Subject: Re: XCopyPlane Question +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 36 +NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu +To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu + +In article buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) write +>In article whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) writes: +>> Actually, I must also ask the FAQ's #1 most popular reason why graphics +>> don't show up: do you wait for an expose event before drawing your +>> rectangle? +> +>Suppose you have an idle app with a realized and mapped Window that contains +>Xlib graphics. A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item +>to be drawn in the Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() +>(or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the new +>item in a memory structure and let the expose event handler take care +>of rendering the image because at that time it is guaranteed that the +>Window is mapped. +> +>The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window +>is visible and mapped. Do you know the best way to ""tickle"" a window so +>that the expose event handler will be invoked to draw this new item? +> + +What does this have to do with my original question??? I previously +stated that I did an XCopyArea of the depth-8 pixmap to the screen +just to make sure that my image had data, and it did. This is NOT +a problem with expose events, it has to do with XCopyPlane not +working!!! + +Does anyone have a code fragment they could send demonstrating that +XCopyPlane works??? This would be very helpful! + +Thanks! + + ---------------------------------------------------------------- + Nancie P. Marin NET: nancie@neko.css.gov + ENSCO Inc. MAIL: 445 Pineda Ct. Melbourne, Fl. 32940 + (407)254-4122 FAX: (407)254-3293 + ---------------------------------------------------------------- + +",5 +3339,"From: afielden@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (andrew.j.fielden) +Subject: X interactive performance +Keywords: benchmark +Organization: AT&T +Lines: 21 + +We recently got an NCD X-terminal to evaluate. This is running XRemote over +a serial line. +I wanted to get some measurement of response time, so I wrote a small Xlib +program which simply creates a window, maps it and sends the first Expose +event to itself. The program times the delay from sending the event, to +receiving it. I thought this was the simplest way to test client/X-server +round-trip delays. It's a similar concept to the ping(8C) program. + +Is this a valid test to perform ? I've also tried the xbench program, available +from ftp.uu.net, which bombards the server with graphics operations, but I +just wanted to get a quantative measure of what is ""acceptable"" interactive +response time. Has anyone got any ideas on this subject ? + +Thanks. +Andrew. (afielden@mlsma.att.com) + +-- ++----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ +|Andrew Fielden. AT&T Network Systems UK | Tel : +44 666 832023 | +|Information Systems Group (SUN support) | Email : afielden@mlsma.att.com | ++----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ +",5 +9464,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) +Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card +Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. +Lines: 76 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com + +In article Thomas Parsli + writes: +> +> +> Observations from a naive norwegian: +> +> 1) Guns are made to KILL people, not to shoot target or to +> have something more macho than stamps to collect..... +> +> 2) It IS more easy to kill/injure someone with a gun than +> with a knife or a bat (as in baseball). +> +> 3) It's not very wise to compare two completely different +> countries like USA and, let's say, Island on issues like +> crime and violence. +> +> 4) Yes, the problem is people committing crimes, not the tools +> beeing used, but 1) should be taken into concideration. +> +Only as far as it affects the crime rate. +> +> We have a very strict gun-legislation in Norway, but until recently +> it was possible for enyone over 18 years to buy a shotgun. +> Shotguns are used mainly for hunting in Norway(...), but because it +> was so easy to accuire one, it was THE most used gun in crimes. +> The solution was to restrict the sale, so it's now necessary to +> apply and register your shotgun. +> And -unbelievable- the use of guns in crime fell..... + +Did the RATE of crime fall? If not, the ban was of no use. It is the rate of +violent crime that matters, not the tools used. ""It's the crime, stupid!"" + +> There are now a new law against wearing long knives in public, +> and why should it be allowed ?? +> + +Apparently that became the weapon of choice after the shotguns were banned. +After that, they'll decide the car of choice is the Saab, and propose a ban on +that! + +> What I, as an scandinavian, have problems to understand is that +> you (Americans) have a more liberal view on guns and violence +> than on nudity and sex. +> Try showing a bare breast on tv insted of violence and murder... +> +> Yes, I know a little American history, but is it a civil/human +> right to have an assault gun in your home and/or an handgun +> in your car?? +> + +Yes. We still trust honest people here. For the time being. + +> +> The bad english is not my fault, it's probably +> the keyboard-software or the quality of the +> subtext on tv...... +> +> +> Disclamer(not): +> These are the views of all studens at my university, +> all Norwegians and probably whole of the universe... +> +> +> Thomas Parsli +> thomasp@ifi.uio.no +> + + +-- +jmd@handheld.com +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought +that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 +""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed +in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" +WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 +",16 +2028,"Subject: Re: Date is stuck +From: phys169@csc.canterbury.ac.nz +Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand +Nntp-Posting-Host: cantva.canterbury.ac.nz +Lines: 25 + +In article <1993Apr14.132300.27816@kosman.uucp>, kevin@kosman.uucp (Kevin O'Gorman) writes: +> Anybody seen the date get stuck? +> +> I'm running MS-DOS 5.0 with a menu system alive all the time. The machine +> is left running all the time. +> +> Suddenly, the date no longer rolls over. The time is (reasonably) accurate +> allways, but we have to change the date by hand every morning. This involves +> exiting the menu system to get to DOS. +> +> Anyone have the slightest idea why this should be? Even a clue as to whether +> the hardware (battery? CMOS?) or DOS is broken? + +I bet it suddenly started sticking when you started leaving the PC running the +menu all night. There is a limitation/bug in the date roll-over software in +PC's that means you have to be doing something like waiting for keyboard input +via a DOS call rather than a BIOS call (as menus often use) otherwise the code +to update the date after midnight never gets called. + +Somebody might be able to correct the details in case I've mis-rememberred +them, but I think you have to change the menu program (if you have the sources) +or add a TSR or system patch or something. As far as I know the CMOS clock +keeps the right time (in fact about 7 seconds/day better than DOS's clock). + +Mark Aitchison, University of Canterbury. +",3 +11241,"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) +Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? +Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. +Lines: 13 + +In article +pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) writes: +>Ken Arromdee writes +>>>Did they not know that these men were federal officers? +>>Do you know what a ""no-knock search"" is? +>Yes, but tell me how you think your question answers my question. If +>the BDs didn't know immediately that they were dealing with feds +>(uniform apparel, insignia), they must have figured it out in pretty +>short order. Why did they keep fighting? They seemed awfully ready +>for having been attacked ""without warning"". + +Oh, bloody sorry old chap, why didn't you tell me you were a federale? +Tough luck, eh? What's that? You say you're not dead yet? +",19 +7884,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center +From: +Subject: Re: Foreskin Troubles +Lines: 3 + +This is generally called phimosis..usually it is due to an inflammation, and ca +n be retracted in the physician's offfice rather eaaasily. One should see a GP +, or in complicated cases, a urologist. +",13 +1366,"From: shenoy@iastate.edu (Shiva Shenoy) +Subject: Re: Windows Help +Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA +Lines: 53 + +In <1993Apr20.072905.21404@fel.tno.nl> mveraart@fel.tno.nl (Mario Veraart) writes: + +>umyin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Qing Yin) writes: + +>>Hi, it's an *easy* question for you Windows gurus. I'd appreciate any help. + +>>We need to write an on-line help for our application. We don't have +>>Windows Software Developer's Toolkit (yet :-) ). Since we just want to build +>>a .HLP file around Windows' help engine, I hope it won't be that complicated? +>>Anyway, could someone kindly give me some hints of how to build such an +>>on-line help, if it does not take 100 pages to explain? Or if it is complicated, +>>would you help to point out what I would need to do it? +>>-- + + +>>Vincent Q. Yin +>>umyin@ccu.umanitoba.ca + +>Hi, + +>If you have developed your own windows application you must have a +>SDK of some sort that contains the HC.EXE or HC31.EXE file to +>compile and generate .HLP files out of .RTF files. +>RTF files are generated by a wordprocessor like Word for Dos or W4W. + +You do not need the SDK. What you need (and can get free) are + +Location: ftp.cica.indiana.edu +index: /pub/pc/win3/INDEX + +First get /pub/pc/win3/uploads/what.zip (~1.3M) This contains the help +compiler among other things. It is free from Microsoft. + +Then get these (I think these are free too) + +dir: /pub/pc/win3/programr +files: hag.zip, whag.zip wfwhlp.zip + +These are shareware + +dir: /pub/pc/win3/util +files: hwab21.zip, qdhelp.zip, qdtool.zip + +dir: /pub/pc/win3/winword +files: drhelpev.zip (macros for word 2.0 to convert doc to hlp files). + +-------------------------------------------------------------------- +Shiva Shenoy | e-mail: shenoy@iastate.edu +2066 Black,Dept of AEEM,ISU,Ames,IA 50010 | Office: (515)-294-0082 +-- +-------------------------------------------------------------------- +Shiva Shenoy | e-mail: shenoy@iastate.edu +2066 Black,Dept of AEEM,ISU,Ames,IA 50010 | Office: (515)-294-0082 +",2 +8279,"From: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) +Subject: Re: pushing the envelope +Article-I.D.: rave.1psogpINNksq +Reply-To: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) +Distribution: world +Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA USA +Lines: 11 +NNTP-Posting-Host: tahiti.larc.nasa.gov + + +> flight tests are generally carefully coreographed and just what +> is going to be 'pushed' and how +> far is precisely planned (despite occasional deviations from plans, +> such as the 'early' first flight of the F-16 during its high-speed +> taxi tests). + +.. and Chuck Yeager earlier flights with the X-1... + + + C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV +",14 +4042,"From: dunnjj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (DUNN JONATHAN JAMES) +Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time +Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder +Lines: 24 + +ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes: + + +>Cup holders (driving is an importantant enough undertaking) + +This is a good idea - so you can carry your (non-alcoholic) drinks without +spilling or having someone hold on to them. + +>Cellular phones and mobile fax machines (see above) + +Fax machines, yes. Cellular phones: Why not get a hands-free model? + +>Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs. + +Seemingly unique to American luxury cars. The Big Three haven't yet realized +that the 1970s are over. + +>Any gold trim. + +I agree. Just another display of Yuppie excess. + +>Jon Dunn< + + +",7 +8145,"From: ffujita@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Frank Fujita) +Subject: Re: ""Choleric"" and The Great NT/NF Semantic War. +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 6 + +Also remember that most people map the +sanguine/choleric/melencholic/phlegmatic division onto the extraversion +and neuroticism dimensions (Like Eysenck) and that the MBTI does not +deal with neuroticism (Costa & McCrae). + +Frank Fujita +",13 +6489,"From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu +Subject: Cryptography FAQ 04/10 - Mathematical Cryptology +Organization: The Crypt Cabal +Lines: 203 +Expires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT +Reply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu +NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com +Summary: Part 4 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Mathematical Cryptology. + Private-key systems. Types of attacks (brute-force, cyphertext, + plaintext, etc.). Mathematical formulation of cryptography. Security + of one-time pads. +X-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16 + +Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part04 +Last-modified: 1993/4/15 + + +FAQ for sci.crypt, part 4: Mathematical Cryptology + +This is the fourth of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are +mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest. +We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask. +Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part. + +The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu +as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography +FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers +every 21 days. + + +Contents: + +* In mathematical terms, what is a private-key cryptosystem? +* What is an attack? +* What's the advantage of formulating all this mathematically? +* Why is the one-time pad secure? +* What's a ciphertext-only attack? +* What's a known-plaintext attack? +* What's a chosen-plaintext attack? +* In mathematical terms, what can you say about brute-force attacks? +* What's a key-guessing attack? What's entropy? + + +* In mathematical terms, what is a private-key cryptosystem? + + A private-key cryptosystem consists of an encryption system E and a + decryption system D. The encryption system E is a collection of + functions E_K, indexed by ``keys'' K, mapping some set of + ``plaintexts'' P to some set of ``ciphertexts'' C. Similarly the + decryption system D is a collection of functions D_K such that + D_K(E_K(P)) = P for every plaintext P. That is, succesful decryption + of ciphertext into plaintext is accomplished using the same key + (index) as was used for the corresponding encryption of plaintext + into ciphertext. Such systems, wherein the same key value is used to + encrypt and decrypt, are also known as ``symmetric'' cryptoystems. + +* What is an attack? + + In intuitive terms a (passive) attack on a cryptosystem is any method + of starting with some information about plaintexts and their + corresponding ciphertexts under some (unknown) key, and figuring out + more information about the plaintexts. It's possible to state + mathematically what this means. Here we go. + + Fix functions F, G, and H of n variables. Fix an encryption system E, + and fix a distribution of plaintexts and keys. + + An attack on E using G assuming F giving H with probability p is an + algorithm A with a pair f, g of inputs and one output h, such that + there is probability p of computing h = H(P_1,...,P_n), if we have + f = F(P_1,...,P_n) and g = G(E_K(P_1),...,E_K(P_n)). Note that this + probability depends on the distribution of the vector (K,P_1,...,P_n). + + The attack is trivial (or ``pointless'') if there is probability at + least p of computing h = H(P_1,...,P_n) if f = F(P_1,...,P_n) and + g = G(C_1,...,C_n). Here C_1,...,C_n range uniformly over the possible + ciphertexts, and have no particular relation to P_1,...,P_n. In other + words, an attack is trivial if it doesn't actually use the encryptions + E_K(P_1),...,E_K(P_n). + + An attack is called ``one-ciphertext'' if n = 1, ``two-ciphertext'' if + n = 2, and so on. + +* What's the advantage of formulating all this mathematically? + + In basic cryptology you can never prove that a cryptosystem is secure. + Read part 3: we keep saying ``a strong cryptosystem must have this + property, but having this property is no guarantee that a cryptosystem + is strong!'' + + In contrast, the purpose of mathematical cryptology is to precisely + formulate and, if possible, prove the statement that a cryptosystem is + strong. We say, for example, that a cryptosystem is secure against + all (passive) attacks if any nontrivial attack against the system (as + defined above) is too slow to be practical. If we can prove this + statement then we have confidence that our cryptosystem will resist + any (passive) cryptanalytic technique. If we can reduce this statement + to some well-known unsolved problem then we still have confidence that + the cryptosystem isn't easy to break. + + Other parts of cryptology are also amenable to mathematical + definition. Again the point is to explicitly identify what assumptions + we're making and prove that they produce the desired results. We can + figure out what it means for a particular cryptosystem to be used + properly: it just means that the assumptions are valid. + + The same methodology is useful for cryptanalysis too. The cryptanalyst + can take advantage of incorrect assumptions. Often he can try to + construct a proof of security for a system, see where the proof fails, + and use these failures as the starting points for his analysis. + +* Why is the one-time pad secure? + + By definition, the one-time pad is a cryptosystem where the + plaintexts, ciphertexts, and keys are all strings (say byte strings) + of some length m, and E_K(P) is just the sum (let's say the exclusive + or) of K and P. + + It is easy to prove mathematically that there are _no_ nontrivial + single-ciphertext attacks on the one-time pad, assuming a uniform + distribution of keys. Note that we don't have to assume a uniform + distribution of plaintexts. (Here's the proof: Let A be an attack, + i.e., an algorithm taking two inputs f, g and producing one output h, + with some probability p that h = H(P) whenever f = F(P) and + g = G(E_K(P)) (i.e., g = G(K + P)). Then, because the distribution of + K is uniform and independent of P, the distribution of K + P must also + be uniform and independent of P. But also the distribution of C is + uniform and independent of P. Hence there is probability exactly p + that h = H(P) whenever f = F(P) and g = G(C), over all P and C. Thus + a fortiori A is trivial.) + + On the other hand the one-time pad is _not_ secure if a key K is used + for more than one plaintext: i.e., there are nontrivial + multiple-ciphertext attacks. So to be properly used a key K must be + thrown away after one encryption. The key is also called a ``pad''; + this explains the name ``one-time pad.'' + +* What's a ciphertext-only attack? + + In the notation above, a ciphertext-only attack is one where F is + constant. Given only some information G(E_K(P_1),...,E_K(P_n)) about + n ciphertexts, the attack has to have some chance of producing some + information H(P_1,...,P_n) about the plaintexts. The attack is trivial + if it has just as good a chance of producing H(P_1,...,P_n) when given + G(C_1,...,C_n) for random C_1,...,C_n. + + For example, say G(C) = C, and say H(P) is the first bit of P. We can + easily write down an attack---the ``guessing attack,'' which simply + guesses that H(P) is 1. This attack is trivial because it doesn't use + the ciphertext: it has a fifty-fifty chance of guessing correctly no + matter what. On the other hand there is an attack on RSA which + produces one bit of information about P, with 100% success, using C. + If it is fed a random C then the success rate drops to 50%. So this is + a nontrivial attack. + +* What's a known-plaintext attack? + + The classic known-plaintext attack has F(P_1,P_2) = P_1, + G(C_1,C_2) = (C_1,C_2), and H(P_1,P_2) depending only on P_2. + In other words, given two ciphertexts C_1 and C_2 and one decryption + P_1, the known-plaintext attack should produce information about the + other decryption P_2. + + Note that known-plaintext attacks are often defined in the literature + as producing information about the key, but this is pointless: the + cryptanalyst generally cares about the key only insofar as it lets him + decrypt further messages. + +* What's a chosen-plaintext attack? + + A chosen-plaintext attack is the first of an increasingly impractical + series of _active_ attacks on a cryptosystem: attacks where the + cryptanalyst feeds data to the encryptor. These attacks don't fit into + our model of passive attacks explained above. Anyway, a + chosen-plaintext attack lets the cryptanalyst choose a plaintext and + look at the corresponding ciphertext, then repeat until he has figured + out how to decrypt any message. More absurd examples of this sort of + attack are the ``chosen-key attack'' and ``chosen-system attack.'' + + A much more important form of active attack is a message corruption + attack, where the attacker tries to change the ciphertext in such a + way as to make a useful change in the plaintext. + + There are many easy ways to throw kinks into all of these attacks: + for instance, automatically encrypting any plaintext P as + T,E_K(h(T+R+P),R,P), where T is a time-key (sequence number) chosen anew + for each message, R is a random number, and h is a one-way hash + function. Here comma means concatenation and plus means exclusive-or. + +* In mathematical terms, what can you say about brute-force attacks? + + Consider the following known-plaintext attack. We are given some + plaintexts P_1,...,P_{n-1} and ciphertexts C_1,...,C_{n-1}. We're + also given a ciphertext C_n. We run through every key K. When we find + K such that E_K(P_i) = C_i for every i < n, we print D_K(C_n). + + If n is big enough that only one key works, this attack will succeed + on valid inputs all the time, while it will produce correct results + only once in a blue moon for random inputs. Thus this is a nontrivial + attack. Its only problem is that it is very slow if there are many + possible keys. + +* What's a key-guessing attack? What's entropy? + + Say somebody is using the one-time pad---but isn't choosing keys + randomly and uniformly from all m-bit messages, as he was supposed to + for our security proof. In fact say he's known to prefer keys which + are English words. Then a cryptanalyst can run through all English + words as possible keys. This attack will often succeed, and it's much + faster than a brute-force search of the entire keyspace. + + We can measure how bad a key distribution is by calculating its + entropy. This number E is the number of ``real bits of information'' + of the key: a cryptanalyst will typically happen across the key within + 2^E guesses. E is defined as the sum of -p_K log_2 p_K, where p_K is + the probability of key K. +",11 +7188,"From: larryhsu@mtl.mit.edu (Lawrence Hsu) +Subject: Shrunken monitor window? +Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories +Lines: 12 +NNTP-Posting-Host: mtl.mit.edu + +Does anyone know what causes the ever-growing black border around the +edges of my computer screen? The growth has been gradual so I don't +know how long it's taken to get this bad. I have a 19"" DEC (?) +color monitor, maybe five years old, and the black border is about 1.1 +inches on the left and right sides, about 1.75 inches on the bottom and +negligible at the top of the screen. The only controls are +brightness knob, contrast knob, deGauss switch, and power switch. + +Is there anything to be done, or are the monitor's days numbered? + +Larry Hsu +larryhsu@mtl.mit.edu +",12 +2313,"From: chyang@leghorn.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) +Subject: Re: CD300 & 300i +Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor +Lines: 28 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: leghorn.engin.umich.edu +Originator: chyang@leghorn.engin.umich.edu + + +In article , bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de (Christian Bauer) writes: +> In article , ""Donpaul C. Stephens"" +> wrote: +> > +> > What is the difference? +> > I want a double-spin CD-ROM drive by May +> > +> > looking into NEC and Apple, doublespins only +> > what is the best? +> +> Nec Toshiba and Sony (Apple) nearly deliver the same speed. +> As apples prices are very low (compared to there RAM SIMMS) +> You should buy what is inexpencive. But think of Driver revisions. +> It is easier to get driver kits from Apple than from every other +> manufacturer +> +> Christian Bauer +> +> bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de + + + I thought NEC and Toshiba CD-ROM mechanism have an average +access time of less than 200 ms. While the SONY-APPLE CD-ROM +drive has an access time of 300 ms for the doublespin models. + +- Chung Yang + +",4 +9772,"Subject: Re: ""Proper gun control?"" What is proper gun cont +From: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim) +Organization: Harvard University Science Center +Nntp-Posting-Host: scws8.harvard.edu +Lines: 17 + +In article hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) writes: +>I'd like to point out that I was in error - ""Terminator"" began posting only +>six months before he purchased his first firearm, according to private email +>from him. +>I can't produce an archived posting of his earlier than January 1992, +>and he purchased his first firearm in March 1992. +>I guess it only seemed like years. +>Kirk Hays - NRA Life, seventh generation. + +I first read and consulted rec.guns in the summer of 1991. I +just purchased my first firearm in early March of this year. + + NOt for lack of desire for a firearm, you understand. I could +have purchased a rifle or shotgun but didn't want one. +-Case Kim + + +",16 +11134,"From: xcpslf@oryx.com (stephen l favor) +Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) +Organization: Oryx Energy +Lines: 7 +NNTP-Posting-Host: what.oryx.com +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 + +: Seems to me Koresh is yet another messenger that got killed +: for the message he carried. (Which says nothing about the +: character of the messenger.) I reckon we'll have to find out +: the rest the hard way. +: + +Koresh was killed because he wanted lots of illegal guns. +",19 +7951,"From: plebrun@minfminf.vub.ac.be (Philippe Lebrun) +Subject: Re: Bursitis and laser treatment +Distribution: eunet +Organization: Vrije Universiteit Brussel Faculteit Geneeskunde +Lines: 18 + +In article <1993Apr17.190104.14072@freenet.carleton.ca>, ab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison) writes: +|> +|> My family doctor and the physiotherapist (PT) she sent me to agree that the +|> pain in my left shoulder is bursitis. I have an appointment with an orthpod +|> (I love that, it's short for 'orthopedic surgeon, apparently) but while I'm +|> waiting the PT is treating me. +|> +|> She's using hot packs, ultrasound, and lasers, but there's no improvement +|> yet. In fact, I almost suspect it's getting worse. +|> +|> My real question is about the laser treatment. I can't easily imagine what +|> the physical effect that could have on a deep tissue problem. Can anyone +|> shed some light (so to speak) on the matter? + +If it works it's only due to the heat produced by the laser. + +-philippe + +",13 +2890,"From: tne@world.std.com (Thomas N Erickson) +Subject: Re: TeleUse, UIM/X, and C++ +Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA +Lines: 20 + +hubec@ctp.com (Hubert Chou) writes: + +>Does anyone have any good ideas on how to integrate C++ code elegantly +>with TeleUse, UIM/X / Interface Architect generated code? + +>Source would be great, but any suggestions are welcome. + + +Alsys has produced a paper outlining how to use C++ with TeleUSE. You can +get a copy from your local sales rep or call us at (619)457-2700. + +As mentioned, it is very straight forward using the Dialog language +(similar to Visual Basic). + + +-- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Tom Erickson Alsys +tne@world.std.com 67 South Bedford Street + Burlington, MA 01803 +",5 +10758,"From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea) +Subject: Re: If Drugs Should Be Legalized, How? (was Good Neighbor...) +Organization: Department of Redundancy Department +Lines: 22 + +wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes: + +> > However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to +> > be bought like cigarettes is just plain silly. Plus, I have never +> > heard of a recommended dosage for drugs like crack, ecstasy, chrystal +> > meth and LSD. The 60 Minute Report said it worked with ""cocaine"" +> > cigarettes, pot and heroin. +> +> Or, the government could adopt the radical and probably unAmerican idea +> that citizens are free to live their lives as they wish, and simply +> decriminalize cocaine, marijuana, heroin, LSD, etc. Please explain why +> the idea of allowing recreational drugs to be ""bought like cigarettes"" +> is ""just plain silly."" After all, it works just fine for nicotine... + +I'm all in favor of drug legalization, but I do see some problems with +it. My hope is that people disposed to doing so would simply overdose +quickly, and be done with it, before making a mess of thisgs. + +-- +Let me get this straight: Medical treatment costs too much and is +inefficient, so we're going to let government make it better? + +",18 +1001,"From: pinky@tamu.edu (The Man behind The Curtain) +Subject: Views on isomorphic perspectives? +Organization: Texas A&M University +Lines: 87 +NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu +Keywords: isomorphic perspectives + + +I'm working upon a game using an isometric perspective, similar to +that used in Populous. Basically, you look into a room that looks +similar to the following: + + xxxx + xxxxx xxxx + xxxx x xxxx + xxxx x xxxx + xxxx 2 xxxx 1 xxxx + x xxxx xxxx x + x xxxx xxxx x + x xxxx o xxxx x + xxxx 3 /|\ xxxx + xxxx /~\ xxxx + xxxx xxxx + xxxx xxxx + xxxx + +The good thing about this perspective is that you can look and move +around in three dimensions and still maintain your peripheral vision. [*] + +Since your viewpoint is always the same, the routines can be hard-coded +for a particular vantage. In my case, wall two's rising edge has a slope +of 1/4. (I'm also using Mode X, 320x240). + +I've run into two problems; I'm sure that other readers have tried this +before, and have perhaps formulated their own opinions: + +1) The routines for drawing walls 1 & 2 were trivial, but when I ran a +packed->planar image through them, I was dismayed by the ""jaggies."" I'm +now considered some anti-aliasing routines (speed is not really necessary). +Is it worth the effort to have the artist draw the wall already skewed, +thus being assured of nice image, or is this too much of a burden? + +2) Wall 3 presents a problem; the algorithm I used tends to overly distort +the original. I tried to decide on paper what pixels go where, and failed. +Has anyone come up with method for mapping a planar to crosswise sheared +shape? + +Currently I take: + + 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 + 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 + 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 + 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 + +and produce: + + 1 2 3 4 +33 34 35 36 17 18 19 20 5 6 7 8 +49 50 51 52 37 38 39 40 21 22 23 24 9 10 11 12 + 53 54 55 56 41 42 43 44 25 26 27 28 13 14 15 16 + 57 58 59 60 45 46 47 48 29 30 31 32 + 61 62 63 64 + +Line 1 follows the slope. Line 2 is directly under line 1. +Line 3 moves up a line and left 4 pixels. Line 4 is under line 3. +This fills the shape exactly without any unfilled pixels. But +it causes distortions. Has anyone come up with a better way? +Perhaps it is necessary to simply draw the original bitmap +already skewed? + +Are there any other particularly sticky problems with this perspective? +I was planning on having hidden plane removal by using z-buffering. +Locations are stored in (x,y,z) form. + +[*] For those of you who noticed, the top lines of wall 2 (and wall 1) +*are* parallel with its bottom lines. This is why there appears to +be an optical illusion (ie. it appears to be either the inside or outside +of a cube, depending on your mood). There are no vanishing points. +This simplifies the drawing code for objects (which don't have to +change size as they move about in the room). I've decided that this +approximation is alright, since small displacements at a large enough +distance cause very little change in the apparent size of an object in +a real perspective drawing. + +Hopefully the ""context"" of the picture (ie. chairs on the floor, torches +hanging on the walls) will dispell any visual ambiguity. + +Thanks in advance for any help. + +-- +Till next time, \o/ \o/ + V \o/ V email:pinky@tamu.edu +<> Sam Inala <> V + +",1 +1470,"From: claebaur@shell.portal.com (Tony S Annese) +Subject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini +Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe +Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data) +Lines: 10 + +In article <1993Apr20.130933.26571@lut.ac.uk> A.D.Bailey@lut.ac.uk (Adrian D.Bailey) writes: +>In Windows 3.0 there is a built-in called sysedit.exe that is just what you +>need. Windows 3.1 I don't know...... + +It's there..... +-- +/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ +Tony Annese claebaur@shell.portal.com + -or- claebaur@cup.portal.com +\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ +",2 +10298,"From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: Zionism - racism +Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500362:000:2842 +Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 25 05:27:00 1993 +Lines: 76 + + +From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: Zionism - racism + + +Diaspora 'a cancer' +------------------- by Julian Kossoff and Lindsay Schusman in: +Jewish Chronicle, London, 22. Dec. 1989 + +Leading Israeli author and cultural commentator, A.B. Yehoshua, +launched a ferocious attack on diaspora Jewry at a Zionist Youth +Council meeting in North London, last week. + +The diaspora, he claimed, ""was the cancer connected to the main +tissue of the Jewish people"". He was scathing about its failure to +act before the Holocaust. + +He said the diaspora's religious and secular leadership had +ignored the warning signs in the 1920s, and had fiercely opposed +Zionism. Consequently, he considered the Holocaust, ""the failure +of Judaism"". + +His talk, entitled ""Diaspora: A Neurotic Solution"", covered 5,000 +years of Jewish history. + +Mr. Yehoshua's other targets included Soviet Jews who were, he +said ""not staying [in Israel], but running [away]"", and all Jews +outside Israel ""who were using other people's countries like +hotels"". + +The only conclusion he could draw was that the diaspora was +immoral, because it looked to Israel for its identity but lived +elsewhere. + +Worse, it threatened Israel itself, creating a distraction for her +citizens, who were leaving by the thousands. + +Mr. Yehoshua, who described himself as ""a soldier for aliyah"", +ended by calling for the creation of a new ""total Jew"", living in +Israel. + +Earlier, speaking at a meeting of Jewish students on the +difficulties of forging a national identity in Israeli literature, +Mr. Yehoshua claimed that Israeli writers were paralyzed by the +country's political situation. + +He said Israel's wars had once provided writers with a vital +source of inspiration. Today, Israeli writers avoided writing +directly about the Arab-Israeli conflict. No major work had been +produced about the intifada. + +Instead, writers were tackling themes such as Jewish identity, +emigration from Israel and personal and family issues. + +Mr. Yehoshua admitted he also felt unable to write about the +Israeli political situation. He could no longer step into an +Israeli Arab's shoes and portray him as a real ""flesh and blood +character"". + +He claimed that after 40 years of statehood, the problem of +Israeli identity had not been solved. He said Jews remained too +pre-occupied with the borders of identity between Jew and non-Jew, +and were not concerned with the nature of that identity. + +Jewish values in Israel embraced every aspect of daily life, +unlike in the diaspora, where Jews had no responsibility for the +country they lived in, he said. + +He warned that modern Hebrew, a unifying force for the Jewish +people, would have to struggle for its future, especially in +literary circles. It faced fierce competition from the English +language. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + +",17 +1681,"From: v063kcbp@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MITCH) +Subject: Thanks! (Backing Up Masters) +Keywords: Misled, Confused, Advice, Comprendo! +Organization: University at Buffalo +Lines: 8 +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 +Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu + + + Just a quick THANKS to the many who explained the backing up of my +masters. Apparently they are NOT copy-protected; I just used a program that +is unable to handle high-density (old shit). I was surprised to hear that +""NO programs on high-density disks have copy protection,"" which someone +back there said. Huh! Learn something new every day! + + - Mitch +",3 +11,"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) +Subject: Re: Keith Schneider - Stealth Poster? +Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena +Lines: 12 +NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu + +sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: + +>>To borrow from philosophy, you don't truly understand the color red +>>until you have seen it. +>Not true, even if you have experienced the color red you still might +>have a different interpretation of it. + +But, you wouldn't know what red *was*, and you certainly couldn't judge +it subjectively. And, objectivity is not applicable, since you are wanting +to discuss the merits of red. + +keith +",0 +9550,"From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) +Subject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style ""Internal Passport"" +Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!) +Lines: 17 + +slp9k@cc.usu.edu writes: +> +> I just want to point out that while I am fully in support of privacy, +>it will be possible soon to have a completely secure ID card, useable in bank +>transactions, medical, etc etc. + + There is no such thing as ""completely secure,"" especially when dealing +with High Technology. It's all a question of cost: what cost are you +willing to bear to protect your information vs. what rewards the ""bad guys"" +are going to get if they break it. The rewards of breaking such a single ID +system would be high indeed. + +=============================================================================== +Tom Swiss/tms@cs.umd.edu | ""Born to die"" | Keep your laws off my brain! + ""What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?"" - Nick Lowe + This .sig contains no animal products and was not tested on animals. + ""Time is just nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once."" +",16 +2885,"From: brent@vpnet.chi.il.us (Brent Hansen) +Subject: Re: GUI Study +Organization: Vpnet Public Access +Distribution: usa +Lines: 58 + +In article <1993Apr2.203400.15357@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> c2xjfa@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (James F Allman III) writes: +> +>> +>> > I'm doing a study on what the following type of users would like to +>> > have on a Unix Manager. Basically I'm looking for the Unix commands +>> > and features on Motif window interface which will help the different +>> > type of users make use of Unix. +>> ... + + +>> Personally, I can't stand Motif. I also can't stand GUI Command Line! +>> interfaces for things like access to the commands I know Command Line! +>> and love. I think you'll find that experience [sic] users Command Line! +>> +>> der Mouse +>> ... + + +>A year and a half ago I felt the same way. The I started using +>gooyies. Give me the command line when something out of the ordinary +>needs done, and the gooy when I am doing normal or repative work. +>Note that most operations are repetative. Hackers love CLs because +> ... + +What I like about GUI's: + + - The ability to view and manipulate a group of objects, files, + text, directories, etc. and and manipulate them in some way + such as delete, copy, paste, rename ... + + - The ability to have several applications / screens visible + and accessable at the same time. + + - Being able to do a standard set of functions easily and + quickly on an unfamiliar operating system. I am familiar with + the command lines of several operating systems but occasionally + I will have to some work on a system that I almost never use. + If it has a GUI, I can usually accomplish what I want to do + fairly easily, the command line on the other hand often is + a long and painful experience. + + +What I hate about GUI's: + + - Having to switch between the mouse and the keyboard. I guess + I have a strong one-handed preference. I like to use a + computer with one hand and use the other for holding something + like a piece of paper of a mug of tea. I have configured my + favorite editor so that most of the editing functions can be + done with one hand such as navigating, cutting, pasting, + searching, opening and saving files, etc. The main thing I + need to use both hands for is entering text. + + I guess I need to get one of those mice with, like, 20 buttons + or something and then I will have the best of both worlds. + + Brent + +",5 +9207,"From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes) +Subject: Re: tuff to be a Christian? +Reply-To: noye@midway.uchicago.edu +Organization: University of Chicago +Lines: 75 + +In article mdbs@ms.uky.edu (no name) writes: +>bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: + +>>same. Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives +>>over to him. That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a +> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +>>real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But +> +> So you think it is easy to be a Muslim? Or be a Buddhist? +[good points on buddhism, etc. deleted] + +just because one says christianity -- true christianity -- is hard to +follow faithfully does NOT mean that one discounts the validity and +difficulty of other religions. i admire those of any religion who are +willing to make the kind of sacrifices and dedicate themselves +spiritually in the way you are talking about. + +[more deleted] +>And perhaps some more. But leave the crap in it out (""woman was created +>after man, to be his helper"" etc). + +do you think this is what christianity is all about? not all +christians believe in this particular story literally. it sounds +above like you are supporting a policy of ""to each his own"" -- here is +another example of that. if it helps someone's faith to take every +word of the bible literally, i support and respect that, too. + +>>time. We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life. +>>It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in +>>a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this +>>time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be +> +> When ever I turn on my TV there is this Pat Robertson and +>other brain washers (Oh boy, what an act they put on!) with an +>1-800 number to turn in your pledges. +>God it seems is alive and well inside these boxes. + +please don't judge all of christianity by one man. the only man one +can truly judge all of christianity by is jesus (makes sense, right?). + +i think his point about how we put our lives into little boxes is very +true -- what does your comment about robertson have to do with that? + +>>carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for +>>ourselves. + +> Parting Question: +> Would you have become a Christian if you had not +>been indoctrinated by your parents? You probably never learned about +>any other religion to make a comparative study. And therefore I claim +>you are brain washed. + +i was raised agnostic -- my father was never baptised and was raised +atheist. he is not an atheist because he found a close-mindedness +present in the viewpoint of his parents equal to the close-mindedness +he found in the viewpoint of the christians he came in contact with. +thus i was _free_ to choose how to live my life, and he supported the +decision i made to join the episcopal church, although he emphasized +to me that his respect for my beliefs should result in my not +intruding on his beliefs, ie, i should not try to convert him, as that +is his decision. (please, no flames or advice on how to convert him!) +one of my good friends is hindi and i greatly respect her +beliefs and the culture surrounding her religion. my best friend is +jewish and i have always held a profound resepct for the jewish +religion (chaim potok and isaac bashevis singer are two of my favorite +authors). i really do not think you can make that kind of +generalization about how christians choose -- and i do mean CHOOSE-- +their faith. if they have not consciously accepted the faith in their +adult lives (which is what confirmation represents), THEN you can talk +about their being brainwashed. + +vera +""if you choose not to decide, +you still have made a choice!"" + - rush, ""freewill"" +",15 +5452,"From: tek2q@Virginia.EDU (""Todd Karlin"") +Subject: Re: Mel Hall +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 10 + +warped@cs.montana.edu writes: +> +> Has anyone heard anything about Mel Hall this season? I'd heard he wasn't +> with the Yankees any more. What happened to him? +> +> Doug Dolven + + + + Japan, I think. +",9 +2736,"From: ejbehr@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr) +Subject: Buying a high speed v.everything modem +Article-I.D.: rs6000.1993Apr20.001127.4928 +Reply-To: behr@math.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr) +Organization: Central Illinois Surfing Club +Lines: 26 + +Just a quick summary of recent findings re. high speed modems. Top three +contenders seem to be AT&T Paradyne, ZyXEL, and US Robotics. ZyXEL has the +biggest ""cult following"", and can be had for under $300, but I ignored it +because I need something with Mac software, which will work without any +tweaking. + +The AT&T Dataport earns nearly unanimous praises for reliability. They are +backordered at the moment, probably because of the special $299 price in +effect until May. Its fax capabilities are worse than that of the other two +modems. WARNING: AT&T ads say that the modem comes with a Mac kit (cables & +all), and has lifetime warranty. This applies *only* when you order +directly from Paradyne! I called ElekTek (one of the distributors), and +they wanted to charge me $16 for cable, and gave only 1 year warranty... + +USR Sportster for the Mac is also highly (but not as highly) recommended; +it's only $250 from ClubMac, and if you are willing to roll your own cable +and don't care about the FAXstf software, you can get the generic model +from PC outlets for $190. + +All this assuming that you don't have a rich uncle, and can't afford a +Motorola Codex... :-( I ended up ordering the Dataport; we'll see how +it works in two weeks or so. + +-- +Eric Behr, Illinois State University, Mathematics Department +behr@math.ilstu.edu or behr@ilstu.bitnet (please avoid!) +",4 +4440,"From: rseymour@reed.edu (Robert Seymour) +Subject: Re: WHAT car is this!? +Article-I.D.: reed.1993Apr21.032905.29286 +Reply-To: rseymour@reed.edu +Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR +Lines: 26 + +In article <1993Apr20.174246.14375@wam.umd.edu> lerxst@wam.umd.edu (where's my +thing) writes: +> +> I was wondering if anyone out there could enlighten me on this car I saw +> the other day. It was a 2-door sports car, looked to be from the late 60s/ +> early 70s. It was called a Bricklin. The doors were really small. In +addition, +> the front bumper was separate from the rest of the body. This is +> all I know. If anyone can tellme a model name, engine specs, years +> of production, where this car is made, history, or whatever info you +> have on this funky looking car, please e-mail. + +Bricklins were manufactured in the 70s with engines from Ford. They are rather +odd looking with the encased front bumper. There aren't a lot of them around, +but Hemmings (Motor News) ususally has ten or so listed. Basically, they are a +performance Ford with new styling slapped on top. + +> ---- brought to you by your neighborhood Lerxst ---- + +Rush fan? + +-- +Robert Seymour rseymour@reed.edu +Physics and Philosophy, Reed College (NeXTmail accepted) +Artificial Life Project Reed College +Reed Solar Energy Project (SolTrain) Portland, OR +",7 +9047,"From: bohja@cnsvax.uwec.edu +Subject: WITCHES AND WICCAN: your opinion +Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire +Lines: 19 + +I am a student at UW-Eau Claire. I am doing a paper an witches and wanted to +get your point of view. I will not use you name unless you specifically tell +me to do so. + +Please answer this question: + +As a Christian, are you offended by witches and Wiccan? Do you feel that tehy +are pagan in the evil sense of the word? + +You time and cooperation is appreciated. Thanks, J. + +-This survey is being conducted in partial fulfillment of the course +requirements for Engl 201, taught by Karen Welch at the University of +Wisconsin-Eau Claire. This course is in compliance with the course +certification requirements of the University Institutional Review Board for the +PRotection of Human Subjects. + +[but is it in compliance with any reasonable method for choosing +samples??? --clh] +",15 +5143,"From: cds7k@Virginia.EDU (Christopher Douglas Saady) +Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 4 + +There's also Billy Jack, The Wild One, Smokey and the Bandit +(Where Jerry Reed runs his truck over Motorcycle Gangs Bikes), +and a video tape documentary on the Hell's Angels I +found in a rental store once +",8 +10719,"From: gmw0622@venus.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) +Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) +Organization: GrinchCo +Lines: 52 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.tamu.edu +Summary: Limited governments versus failed governments +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +In article <1993Apr18.172531.10946@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes... +> +:Of course, one again faces the question of how one circumscribes government +:power (and keeps it circumscribed) in a complex society when it is in the +:interest of neither capitalists nor consumers to refrain from using +:government power for their own ends. But apart from that little +:conundrum... +> + Without having a complete answer to this question, I should think +it obvious that the first step should be to convince people this would be +a desirable result. There are still quite a lot of people who feel that +the command economies of eastern Europe failed due to corruption rather than +essential weaknesses of caommand economies, and you still have a majority +in this nation that favors keeping unenforced and unenforcible laws on +the books in order to ""send a signal"". + + +:It would seem that a society with a ""failed"" government would be an ideal +:setting for libertarian ideals to be implemented. Now why do you suppose +:that never seems to occur?... + + +I fail to see why you should feel this way in the first place. Constant +combat isn't particularly conducive to intellectual theorizing. Also, +they tend to get invaded before they can come to anything like a stable +society anyway. + + +>>...""regulation"" is such a vauge word... +> +:I wouldn't call it ""vague."" I'd call it elastic. All ""regulation"" is +:not necessarily the same. By opposing all government regulation, some +:libertarians treat every system from a command economy to those that +:regulate relatively free markets as identical. That's one reason +:many of the rest of us find their analysis to be simplistic. +> + +Umm, is there any distinction between ""vague"" and ""elastic"" in this +context aside from one having a more positive connotation than the other? + +At any rate, we've been through all this before. + +:Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM +:""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh +: the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 + + +Incidentally, this is a libertarian newsgroup, you can get away with +saying, ""bullshit"" here. You're welcome, + + +Mr. Grinch +",18 +6577,"From: eldar@fraser.sfu.ca (Danny Eldar) +Subject: Need help !! +Keywords: Firewall gateway model, Kerberos +Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada +Lines: 14 + +I am currently writing a paper on computer protocols security. I would +appreciate your help. I currently have no insight into these topics except +that they relate to security in multilevel security network. Please semd me +any references, books, FAQs or contact persons names and Internet addresses. +The topics I am interested in: +1. The ""firewall gateway model"" as implemented in Internet gateways. +2. Kerberos Authentication Service + +Please send me a private e-mail at eldar@sfu.ca and/or post it on the board. + +Thanks a lot, + + Danny + +",11 +7104,"From: obrien@hri.com (Jim Obrien) +Subject: IBM-PC XT switch settings +Organization: Horizon Research, Inc. +Lines: 7 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: obrien@bigbird.hri.com +NNTP-Posting-Host: sparc28.hri.com + +I just got an IBM-PC XT with no documents. Its a true +IBM, and I was wondering if anyone had the definitions +of the 2 8 position dip switches? + +- thankx Jim + + +",12 +3667,"From: worsham@aer.com. (Robert D. Worsham) +Subject: Tektronix Equipment: Color Terminal, Printer, Rasterizer & Supplies +Summary: Tektronix Equipment/Supplies for sale +Keywords: color, printer, terminal, rasterizer, tektronix +Organization: Atmospheric & Environmental Research, Inc. +Lines: 27 + + For Sale: + + Tektronix 4208 Color Terminal + Tektronix 4510A Rasterizer + Tektronix 4692 InkJet Printer + + Tektronix 4692 Printer Extras (all Tektronix products): + + Paper (> 3 boxes) + Transparencies (> 2 boxes) + Maintenance Cartridges (2 cart) + Magenta Ink Cartridge (1 cart) + + We would like to sell as a single lot, and preference + will be given to offers for the entire list. All offers + accepted, best offer gets the equipment. + + -- Bob + + ____________________________________________________________________ + Robert D. Worsham (Bob) | email: worsham@aer.com + Atmospheric & Environmental Research Inc. | voice: (617) 547-6207 + 840 Memorial Drive | fax: (617) 661-6479 + Cambridge MA 02139 USA + + + +",6 +9801,"From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) +Subject: BATF's Prime Directive +Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting +Lines: 7 + +Bully, Them; Bludgeon Them, Bury Them. +-- +Dave Feustel N9MYI + +I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes +to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the +federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds. +",16 +7998,"From: kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) +Subject: Re: Any info. on Vasomotor Rhinitis +Organization: University of Pittsburgh +Lines: 21 + +In article <1r1t1a$njq@europa.eng.gtefsd.com> draper@gnd1.wtp.gtefsd.com writes: +:I recently attended an allery seminar. Steroid Nasal sprays were +:discussed. Afterward on a one-on-one basis, I asked the speaker what if +:none of the Vancanese, Beconase, Nasalide, Nasalcort, or Nasalchrom work +:nor do any oral decongestants work. She replied that she saw an article on +:Vasomotor Rhinitis. That this is not an allergic reaction and that nothing +:other than the Afrin's and such would work. (Which in my case is true). + +There has been some recent research on vasomotor rhinitis that shows that +ipratroprium bromide (Atrovent) inhaled nasally is an effective treatment +for many sufferers. It has been approved for this use and is available +with a nasal adaptor in Canada. In the US the FDA has yet to approve this +use of the drug, but it is available as an oral inhaler (for COPD), and +these can be adapted for intranasal use. + + +-- +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= += Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh = += General Internal Medicine | ""...dammit, not a programmer!"" = +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +",13 +4211,"From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) +Subject: Re: Chrysler New Yorker LHS (was Re: Chryslers Compact LH Sedans?) +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 7 + + +Warren Brown, the Washington Post's auto writer was the first journalist +to get his hands on the New Yorker. If you'd like his impressions of it +his review appeared in Friday's paper, in the ""Weekend"" section. +He is not your traditional auto writer... +Enjoy. + +",7 +6887,"Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. +From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin) +Distribution: na +Organization: Beckman Instruments, Inc. +Nntp-Posting-Host: dsg4.dse.beckman.com +Lines: 33 + +In strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: + +>In article +>elee9sf@menudo.menudo.UH.EDU (Karl Barrus) writes: + +>> +>>Would you trust a black-box from the NSA versus an ""open system"" from +>>elsewhere? + +>Absolutely, if I were assured by someone I trusted that the black box was +>more secure. I have nothing to conceal from the government, but I would like +>to be sure that any Russian, Japanese, French, or other competitors for my +>services can't read my traffic. I'd like to be sure that competitive bid +>information was safe from commercial competitors and foreign governments +>which would aid them. + +>I believe the NSA has identical motivations with respect to my activities. +>The President and many other senior government officials have made it very +>clear that they share these motivations. Thus I'd trust them on the +>""coincidence of interests"" argument as well as on a basic trust in their +>professionalism and a high confidence in their skills. + +>David +>-- +>David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of +> our information, errors and omissions excepted. + +Nothing but errors and omissions here! + +-- +Arthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea +216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal) +My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer. +",11 +2828,"From: jan@camhpp12.mdcbbs.com (Jan Vandenbrande) +Subject: xv -root with vue? (was Re: xloadimage -onroot ...) +Article-I.D.: ug.1993Apr5.113128.2936 +Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA +Lines: 16 +Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.244.49.156 + +On a related note, how can I use xv to display colored GIFs on my +root display with HP Vue? + +All I can do with Vue is display xbm's through their +Backdrop Style Manager. + +xv does not seem to be able to override whatever Vue +puts there. + +Thanks, Jan + +-- +Jan Vandenbrande +jan@ug.eds.com (New address) +jan@lipari.usc.edu (school address, forwards) +UUCP: {uunet, uupsi}!ug!jan +",5 +3174,"From: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) +Subject: Re: build X11R5 with xlc 1.2.1 (Aix 3.2.3e) +Organization: western geophysical exploration products +Lines: 36 +NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com +In-reply-to: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com's message of 21 Apr 1993 03:49:16 GMT + +>>>>> On 21 Apr 1993 03:49:16 GMT, dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) said: + Doug> NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com +I am having a big problem trying to build MIT X11R5 with xlc 1.2.1 +(the one bundled with AIX 3.2.3e). Its almost the linker is not +working properly with shared libraries. + +I've built X11R5 with no problem before .. but now its all headaches. +For example, the xset client complains that libXmu doesnt have a bunch +of Xt routines and shr.o is missing (or something like that). The +build of libXmu DOES link in libXt so I am really perplexed what is +going on. + + +....following up on this, the specific error I get is: +Could not load program ./xset +Symbol XtVaSetValues in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined +Symbol XtName in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined +Symbol XtWindowOfObject in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined +Symbol XtGetConstraintResourceList in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined +Symbol XtDisplayToApplicationContext in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined +Symbol XtAppSetTypeConverter in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined +Symbol XtScreenDatabase in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined +Symbol XtResolvePathname in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined +Symbol XtCvtStringToFont in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined +Symbol XtCallConverter in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined +Symbol XtDisplayStringConversionWarning in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined +Could not load library libXmu.a[shr.o] +Error was: Exec format error + +-- +Douglas L.Acker Western Geophysical Exploration Products +____ ____ ____ a division of Western Atlas International Inc. +\ \ / /\ / /\ A Litton / Dresser Company + \ \/ / \ / / \ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + \ / / \ / /\ \ Internet : acker@wg2.waii.com + \/___/ \/___/ \___\ Voice : (713) 964-6128 +",5 +6027,"From: mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok) +Subject: NHL Playoff Stats & Scores +Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY +Lines: 2 + +For updated playoff updates (scores, stats, summaries) +e-mail me. (mmilitzo@skidmore.edu) with the subject STATS. +",10 +879,"From: raynor@cs.scarolina.edu (Harold Brian Raynor) +Subject: Help needed on hidden line removal +Summary: Need help with Roberts algorithm/Hidden line removal +Keywords: hidden line graphics 3D +Organization: USC Department of Computer Science +Distribution: comp +Lines: 20 + + +I am looking for some information of hidden line removal using Roberts +algorithm. Something with code, or pseudo code would be especially +helpful. + +I am required to do this for a class, due Monday (we have very little +time to implement these changes, it is a VERY FAST paced class). The +notes given in class leave a LOT to be desired, so I would vastly +appreciate any help. + +Actually any algorithm would be nice (Roberts or no). The main problem +is two objects intersecting in x and y dimensions, need to know which +lines to clip off so that one object will appear in front of another. + +If you can give me an ftp address and filename, or even the name of a +good book, I'd REALLY appreciate it. + +Thanks, +Brian Raynor + +",1 +9281,"From: David.Bernard@central.sun.com (Dave Bernard) +Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary +Reply-To: David.Bernard@central.sun.com +Organization: Sun Microsystems +Lines: 9 + +In article 28782@athos.rutgers.edu, revdak@netcom.com (D. Andrew Kille) writes: +>Just an observation- although the bodily assumption has no basis in +>the Bible, Carl Jung declared it to be one of the most important pronouncements +>of the church in recent years, in that it implied the inclusion of the +>feminine into the Godhead. + + + +What did Jung mean by a ""Godhead?"" +",15 +9761,"From: yodicet@gtewd.mtv.gtegsc.com +Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH - UPDATE +Distribution: usa +Organization: GTE Govt. Systems, Electronics Def. Div. +Lines: 12 + +In article <93110.11320334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET>, <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: +> Ah yes, I see a few liberal weenies have come out of the woodwork +> to defend the burning of the children. Probably drooled all over themselves +> while watching the TV coverage. +> +> Probably had a few like that in Nazi Germany, as well. +> +> Oh yeah, ATF/FBI now claims, according the the media, that there are +> a few survivors. The number seems to vary minute by minute. +> +> +> +",16 +3006,"From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman) +Subject: Re: Compiling help +Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project +Lines: 15 + +Here's what I (think) have figured out. All I need to do is install +the R5 disitribution without the Xserver like the sony.cf file defines, +and all the new libraries, utils, etc., will be installed and my old +server from r4 will still work. This will allow me to run Xview 3.0, +and have X11r5 up and running. Does the server interface remain the +same with all changes made only to the libs? + +Another question: Is it likely that since Sun is dropping OW support +that the desktop utils (like the file manager) will be made public? +It would be nice if companies would make old code public for the +benefit of those of us with smaller budgets. :) +-- +mike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu + +""I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class."" -Unknown +",5 +2232,"From: david@c-cat.UUCP (Dave) +Subject: cents keystroke ? where is it +Organization: Intergalactic Rest Area For Weary Travellers +Lines: 14 + +why does my keyboard not have a cents key ? +| +C +| + +like to have my 2 cents worth or $ 0.02 (boaring) + + -David + +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= + +China Cat BBS c-cat!david@sed.csc.com +(301)604-5976 1200-14,400 8N1 ...uunet!mimsy!anagld!c-cat!david +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +",3 +402,"Subject: Re: Death Penalty (was Re: Political Athei +From: sham@cs.arizona.edu (Shamim Zvonko Mohamed) +Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson +Lines: 29 + +In article <1993Apr19.151120.14068@abo.fi> MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka) writes: +>In <930419.125145.9O3.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew writes: +>> I wonder if Noam Chomsky is reading this? +> +> I could be wrong, but is he actually talking about outright +>_government_ control of the media, aka censorship? +> +> If he doesn't, any quick one-stop-shopping reference to his works +>that'll tell me, in short, what he _does_ argue for? + +""Manufacturing Consent,"" a film about the media. You alternative movie source +may have this; or to book it in your local alternative theatre, contact: + +FILMS TRANSIT * INTERNATIONAL SALES +Jan Rofekamp +402 Notre Dame E. +Montreal, Quebec +Canada H2Y 1C8 +Tel (514) 844-3358 * Fax (514) 844-7298 +Telex 5560074 Filmtransmtl + +(US readers: call Zeitgeist Films at 212 274 1989.) + +-s +-- + Shamim Mohamed / {uunet,noao,cmcl2..}!arizona!shamim / shamim@cs.arizona.edu + ""Take this cross and garlic; here's a Mezuzah if he's Jewish; a page of the + Koran if he's a Muslim; and if he's a Zen Buddhist, you're on your own."" + Member of the League for Programming Freedom - write to lpf@uunet.uu.net +",0 +6988,"From: jml@norman.vi.ri.cmu.edu +Subject: Re: Radar Jammers And Stealth Cars +Nntp-Posting-Host: westend.vi.ri.cmu.edu +Reply-To: jml@visus.com +Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon +Distribution: usa +Lines: 6 + +Eric H. Taylor writes +> ... If you are determined +> to go faster, get an airplane. They dont have speed limits. + +Just don't make a habit of buzzing your local airport at >200 knots +(250 knots if you're flying a jet). :-) +",12 +9243,"From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack) +Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 +Organization: IBM Austin +Lines: 12 + +General question: Since the world was discovered to be +round, the definition of Saturday is, if not ambiguous, +at least arbitrary. How would someone answer this? + +Also, when the calendar was changed (Gregorian to Julian?) +was the day of the week changed or just the date? Once again +this points to the arbitrariness of the days. + +Chris Mussack + +[When calendars change, there is no change in the 7-day weekly cycle, +just months and dates. --clh] +",15 +4263,"From: sylveste@ecs.umass.edu +Subject: Re: Ultimate AWD vehicles +Lines: 24 + +In article , eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes: +> In article <1q34huINNjrv@uwm.edu> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes: +>> Subarus don't sell that well, although the percentage of Subes purchased +>> with AWD is probably relatively high. +> +> 56% of all subarus sold are 4wd/awd. +> +>> Audi is backing down on the number +>> of models it offers with AWD. Before, one could purchase an 80 or 90 with +>> AWD, but now it is reserved strictly for the top line model; the same goes +>> for the 100/200. +> +> the 80/80Q has been eliminated from the US lineup, but the 90 is still +> available in quattro version, though it is hardly cheap. they are +> still true to their pledge of making 4wd an option on their entire +> line of cars. now, if only they will bring in the s4 wagon.. +> +> eliot + +Before the S4 became the S4 it was called the 200 turbo quattro 20v. +This model did come in a wagon, a very quick wagon. Very rare also. + + Mike Sylvester Umass + +",7 +10017,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) +Subject: An Iranian Azeri Who Would Drop an Atomic Bomb on Armenia +Summary: fool +Article-I.D.: urartu.1993Apr15.231047.13120 +Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies +Lines: 70 + +In article <93104.101314FHM100F@ODUVM.BITNET> FARID +writes: + +[FARID] In support of the preservation of the territorial integrity of +[FARID] Azerbaijan and its independence from Russian rule, the Iranians which +[FARID] includes millions of Azerbaijanis will have Armenia retreat from the +[FARID] territory of Azerbaijan. + +Oh, they will? This should prove quite interesting! + +[FARID] To count on Iranian help to supposedly counter Turkish influence will +[FARID] be a fatal error on the part of Armenia as long as Armenia in +[FARID] violation of international law has Azerbaijani lands in occupation. + +Armenia is not counting on Iranian help. As far as violations of international +laws, which international law gives Azerbaijan the right to attack and +depopulate the Armenians in Karabakh? + +[FARID] If Armenian aggression continues in the territory of Azerbaijan, not +[FARID] only there won't be any aid from Iran to Armenia but also steps will +[FARID] be taken to have Armenian army back in Armenia. + +And who do you speak for? Rafsanjani? + +[FARID] The Azerbaijanis of Iran will be the guarantors of this policy. As for +[FARID] scaring Iranians or Turks from the Russian power, experts on present +[FARID] and future military potentials of these people would not put much +[FARID] stock on the Russain power as the sole power in the region for long!!! + +Well, Farid, your supposed experts are not expert! The Russians have had +non-stop influence in the Caucasus since the Treaty of Turkmanchay in 1828. +Hmm... that makes it 1993-1828 = 165 years! + +Oh, I see the Azeris from Iran are going to force out the Armenians from +Karabakh! That will be a real good trick! + +[FARID] Iran is not alian to developing the capability to produce the A bomb +[FARID] and a reliable delivery system (refer to recent news releases +[FARID] regarding the potential of Iran). + +So the Azeris from Iran are going to force the Armenians from Karabakh by +forcing the Iranian government to drop an atomic bomb on these Armenians. + +[FARID] The moral of the story is that, you don't go invading your neighbor's +[FARID] home (Azerbaijan) and flash Russia's guns when questioned about it. + +Oh, but it's just fine if you drop an atomic bomb on your neighbor! You are +a damn fool, Farid! + +[FARID] (Marshal Shapashnikov may have to eat his words regarding Turkey in a +[FARID] few short years!). + +So you are going to drop an atomic bomb on Russia as well. + +[FARID] Peaceful resolution of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict is the only +[FARID] way to go. Armenia may soon find the fruits of Aggression very bitter +[FARID] indeed. + +And the Armenians will take your ""peaceful"" dropping of an atomic bomb as +an example of Iranian Azeri benevolence! You sir are a poor example of an +Iranian Azeri! + +Ha! And to think I had a nice two day stay in Tabriz back in 1978! + + +-- +David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on +S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't +P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" +Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 +",17 +5844,"From: ""Terence M. Rokop"" +Subject: Re: NCAA finals...Winner???? +Organization: Freshman, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 9 +NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu +In-Reply-To: <1993Apr4.165655.16932@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> + +ktgeiss@miavx1.acs.muohi writes: + +>Lake State/Maine in finals...WHO WON? Please post. + +Maine 5, LSSU 4. + + + + Terry +",10 +5735,"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) +Subject: Re: Ind. Source Picks Baerga Over Alomar: Case Closed +Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 +Distribution: na +Lines: 24 + +In article klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) writes: +>fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes: +>> +>> I'd say you could make a good for them being about equal right now. T&P +>> rated Baerga higher, actually. +> +>Finally, an objective source. Alomar's a great player, but so is Baerga. +>Nice to see the objective source cited rather than ""my dad's bigger than +>your dad"" posts. + +I know. You have this fucked up idea that anybody who prefers Alomar +to Baerga must be a Jay-Lover and Indian-Hater. Sorry, you got that +one wrong! I hate the Jays and don't care one way or the other about +the Indians. But objectively, Alomar had the better offensive year +last year, so I have to pick him. + +You admit T&P as a reliable(?), objective source? Then you will note +that they rated Alomar as the better offensive player, chosing Baerga +over Alomar only because of his defense. + +That's a joke! (Alomar might not be a gold-glover, but he's certainly +no worse than Baerga defensively.) + +-Valentine +",9 +1742,"From: buckel@winx06.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (bernhard buckel) +Subject: Re: HELP! MY HARD DRIVE ID MESSED! +Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 42 + +Dave (david@c-cat.UUCP) wrote: +: vazzag@vccnw13.its.rpi.edu (Gregory Anthony Vazzana) writes: + +: {> +: {> Howdy, +: {> +: {> The other day I was using Norton's SpeedDisk to optimize my Seagate(125MB) h +: {> problem persisted. I backed up all essential data and decided to reformat +: {> my hard drive. When I attempted this it got to the 279th clylinder 8th +: {> head and gave me an error message saying that it ""Could not find the sector"" +: {> I have tried everything I can think of. Now I can't even access my hard driv +: {> to write information to it. I tried to boot up with my MS-DOS disks but MS-D +: {> tries to reformat my hard drive and gets 29% of the way through to say ""Error +: {> formatting hard drive. Press f3 to exit"" I tried to scan my hard drive +: {> for viruses but I can;t access it and I get a message (When I try to do a dir +: {> saying ""Error INT 24"" Can anyone Help me? I have no idea what to do. +: {> +: {> Thanks in advance for any help! +: {> +: {> Greg + +: try a bios level format via the debug command. +: -G=xxxx:5 where xxxx is the Hex address of the hd controller bios +: location. +: if this will not work, a last resort would be to take a large magnet +: to the hard disk, but this has to be done properly or you will cause +: or could cause more damage than has been done already. + +: disclaimer: I am not responsible for your actions by directly applying +: a large magnet to your hard disk. + +: if done correctly the magnet trick will wipe out everything on the +: hard disk _COMPLETELY_ and a low level BIOS format might succeed + + +: -David + +: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= + +: China Cat BBS c-cat!david@sed.csc.com +: (301)604-5976 1200-14,400 8N1 ...uunet!mimsy!anagld!c-cat!david +: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +",3 +7342,"From: babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb) +Subject: Re: Getting rid of screen wiggles? +Organization: SDSU - LARC +Lines: 42 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: larc.sdsu.edu + +In article <1qpj5t$itg@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, eabyrnes@vela.acs.oakland.edu +(Ed Byrnes) wrote: +> +> My monitor display has a bad case of the wigglies. I have a good ground. I +> live in an old house and I have replaced much of the wiring. I have two +> EMI filters on the computer, the monitor plugs into the computer. When +> fluorescent lights are on upstairs, the display jiggles, when motors run +> in the house, the display jiggles, when incandescent lights are on in the +> kitchen the display jiggles. I could bring a separate line from the +> breaker box, and use it only for the computer, would this do it? EMI +> doesn't only travel the 110 volt line though. Should I shield the back of +> the monitor? Ground a grid or plate? +> Your expertise is appreciated. Thanks very much! Ed Byrnes + + +Aaahh... a problem very near and dear to my heart. In our case, other +monitors cause this problem - the deflection coil of other monitors to be +specific. Have also seen a monitor backed up to a fuse panel exhibit this +problem. This sounds like your problem since flourescent lites, motors, etc +several 10s of feet away seem to me to be too far to cause it, but the +juice running to them must pass nearby your monitor. Fusebox on other side +of wall maybe? +We started spec'ing Panasonic CT-1331Y video monitors (3 switchable input +lines(vid & aud) S-VHS on one) <$400. This stopped the wavy interference +effect on the computer monitor next to it. +Now on to your problem. You need what is known as mu shielding (very +common, in fact almost mandatory on electrostatic deflection type +O'scopes). +I talked to a EE prof. He said get a coffee can, cut both ends off, mount +around deflection coil of interfering monitor. +BE CAREFUL TO AVOID ALL HIGH VOLTAGE CIRCUITRY. ESPECIALLY THE THICKER HIGH +VOLTAGE ANODE LEAD USUALLY COLORED RED. IF YOU KILL YOURSELF, DON'T +BLAME/SUE ME!!! USE PLASTIC OR OTHER NON-CONDUCTING STAND-OFFS AND SUCH TO +MOUNT CAN. +Now, I would assume that what is good for keeping mag fields in is also +good at keeping them out, so hopefully this'll work by mounting shield on +monitor being interfered with as well. If not, start shielding those other +sources. + +Jeff Babb +babb@sciences.sdsu.edu babb@ucssun1.sdsu.edu +Programmer, SDSU - LARC +",12 +6415,"From: so@eiffel.cs.psu.edu (Nicol C So) +Subject: Re: Source of random bits on a Unix workstation +Nntp-Posting-Host: eiffel.cs.psu.edu +Organization: Penn State Computer Science +Lines: 19 + +In article <897@pivot.sbi.com> bet@sbi.com (Bennett Todd @ Salomon Brothers Inc., NY ) writes: +>This came up because I decided to configure up MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 security +>for X11R5. For this to work you need to stick some bits that an intruder +>can't guess in a file (readable only by you) which X client applications +>read. They pass the bits back to the server when they want to establish a +>connection. +> +>... +>What I settled on was grabbing a bunch of traffic off the network. +>Basically, I ran +> +> etherfind -u -x greater 0|compress +> +>and skipped over 10K of output, then grabbed my bits. As best I can tell, +>these are bits that can be expected to be reasonably uniformly distributed, +>and quite unguessable by an intruder. + +For your application, what you can do is to encrypt the real-time clock +value with a secret key. +",11 +4278,"From: barnesm@sun.com (Mark Barnes - SunSoft) +Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... +Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. +Lines: 12 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: barnesm@sun.com +NNTP-Posting-Host: vavau.corp.sun.com + +...and in San Francisco recently, some of our finest examples of humanity +poured oil over a road so that vehicles going uphill would suddnely become +immobile, and then they would walk right up to the vehicles and make their +demands known. +--------------------------------+--------------------------------------- +Mark Barnes, System Engineer | +SunSoft | +Corporate Technical Escalations | I speak for myself, an individual, +Menlo Park, CA, USA | not for the company for which I work. +barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM | +--------------------------------+--------------------------------------- + +",7 +10360,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: Letter to President, Members of Congress, Newspapers, TV Stations... +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +News-Software: FSUUCP 1.2 R4 +Lines: 111 + + + + + + + +Today marks the 78th anniversary of the Armenian genocide of +2.5 million Turks and Kurds in Eastern Anatolia and x-Soviet +Armenia. The following letter, which represents a small portion +of the full text, along with more than 200 pages of historical +documents, scholarly sources, eyewitness accounts and photographs, +was sent to President Bill Clinton, members of Congress, editors, +program directors and columnists of major newspapers, journals and +radio/TV stations for the 78th anniversary of the Armenian genocide +of 2.5 million Muslim people. On April 23 of every year, the people +of Turkiye remember their dead. They grieve for lost family and the +lost homes of their grandfathers. This year the Turkish Nation is +mourning and praying again for her fallen heroes who gave their +lives generously and with altruism, so that the future generations +may live on that anointed soil of the Turkish land happily and +prosperously. + +------------------------- letter ---------------------------------- + +During the years of World War I, the x-Soviet Armenian Government +has planned and perpetrated the 'Genocide' of the Muslim people, which +not only took the lives of 2.5 million Muslim people, but was also the +method used to empty the Turkish homeland of its inhabitants. To this day, +Turkish historic lands remain occupied by the x-Soviet Armenia. In order +to cover up the fact of its usurpation of the historic Turkish homeland, +which is the crux of Turkish political demands, fascist x-Soviet Armenia +continues its anti-Turkish policy in the following ways: + +1. x-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide +in order to shift international public opinion away from its political +responsibility. + +2. x-Soviet Armenia, employing ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism +Triangle, attempts to call into question the veracity of the Turkish +Genocide. + +3. x-Soviet Armenia has also implemented state-sponsored terrorism through +the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle in an attempt to +silence the Turkish people's vehement demands and protests. + +4. Using all its human, financial, and governmental resources, x-Soviet +Armenia and its tools in the United States attempt to silence through +terrorism, bribery and other subversive methods, non-Turkish supporters +of the Turkish cause, be they political, governmental and humanitarian. + +Using all the aforementioned methods, the x-Soviet Armenian Government +is attempting to neutralize the international diplomatic community from +making the Turkish Case a contemporary issue. + +Yet despite the efforts of the x-Soviet Armenian Government and its +terrorist and revisionist organizations, in the last decades, thanks +to the struggle of those whose closest ones have been systematically +exterminated by the Armenians, the international wall of silence on +this issue has begun to collapse, and consequently a number of +governments and organizations have become supportive of the recognition +of the Turkish Genocide. + +With the full knowledge that the struggle for the Turkish territorial +demands are still in their initial stages, the Turkish and Kurdish people +will unflaggingly continue in this sacred struggle, therefore the victims +of the Turkish Genocide demand: + +1. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government, as the heirs of the Armenian +Dictatorship, recognize the Turkish Genocide; + +2. that x-Soviet Armenia return the historic homeland to the Turkish and +Kurdish people; + +3. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government make material reparations for +their heinous and unspeakable crime to the victims of the Turkish Genocide; + +4. that all world governments, and especially the United States, officially +recognize the Turkish Genocide and Turkish territorial rights and refuse +to succumb to all Armenian political pressure; + +5. that the U.S. Government free itself from the friendly position it +has adopted towards its unreliable ally, x-Soviet Armenia, and officially +recognize the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide as well as be +supportive of the pursuit of Turkish territorial demands; + +6. that the x-Soviet Republics officially recognize the historical fact +of the Turkish Genocide and include the cold-blooded extermination of +2.5 million Muslim people in their history books. + +The awareness of the Turkish people of the necessity of solidarity in the +efforts to pursue the Turkish Cause is seen by the victims of the first +genocide of the 20th century as a positive step. Furthermore, a new +generation has risen - equipped with a deep sense of commitment, politically +mature and conscious, who determinedly pursue the Turkish Cause, through +all necessary means, ranging from the political and diplomatic to the +armed struggle. Therefore, the victims of the Turkish Genocide call upon +all Muslims in the United States and Canada to participate vigorously in +the political, cultural and religious activities of the 78th Anniversary +of the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people. + + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) + + +",17 +515,"From: gavin@krypton.asd.sgi.com (Gavin Bell) +Subject: Re: Surface normal orientations +Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mountain View, CA +Lines: 38 +NNTP-Posting-Host: krypton.asd.sgi.com + +In <1pscti$aqe@travis.csd.harris.com> srp@travis.csd.harris.com (Stephen Pietrowicz) writes: +>How do you go about orienting all normals in the same direction, given a +>set of points, edges and faces? + +This algorithm works well for me: + +Algorithm to attempt to find outward-facing normals: +--------------------------------------------------- +First, mark all faces as UNKNOWN. + +Then create an edge dictionary that allows you to find all of the +faces sharing a given edge (where an edge is two integers representing +the two shared vertices). + +Pick an arbitrary face and mark it COUNTER_CLOCKWISE. Using the edge +dictionary, orient all surrounding faces based on the orientation of +this face. And recurse for all surrounding faces, consistently +orienting the entire surface. + +Find the average of the vertices in this surface. Using that point, +calculate a volume measurement, taking into account the face's +orientation. If the volume turns out to be positive, assume the faces +are oriented correctly. If it is negative, reverse their orientations +(mark them CLOCKWISE). + +If any faces are still UNKNOWN after this, choose another face +and go through the algorithm again. + +At the end, faces marked CLOCKWISE must have their indices reversed +before facet normals are found. + +(Note: if you are running on Silicon Graphics machines and buy the +IRIS Inventor 3D toolkit developers package you have the source to +this algorithm-- see /usr/src/Inventor/tools/ivnorm/. If you're +not... sorry, I can't give out the source, and even if I could it +relies heavily on Inventor). +-- +--gavin (gavin@sgi.com, (415)390-1024) +",1 +2623,"From: rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar) +Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) +Distribution: usa +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 40 + +dhk@ubbpc.uucp (Dave Kitabjian) writes: + +>I'm sure Intel and Motorola are competing neck-and-neck for +>crunch-power, but for a given clock speed, how do we rank the +>following (from 1st to 6th): +> 486 68040 +> 386 68030 +> 286 68020 + +Not a good idea to compare processor power. Doesn't make sense for real +world applications. At least not for totally different lines of processors. + +>While you're at it, where will the following fit into the list: +> 68060 +> Pentium +> PowerPC + +>And about clock speed: Does doubling the clock speed double the +>overall processor speed? And fill in the __'s below: +> 68030 @ __ MHz = 68040 @ __ MHz + +At least for x86 systems doubling the clock speed increases performance +by about 70% . + +>Thanks very much. I'd appreciate hearing any further explanations +>from any experienced folks out there, too! + +> +>P.S. Folks have been having trouble replying to me lately with the ""reply"" +> command. Try typing my address by hand and it should work. Thanks! + +>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +>DAVE KITABJIAN (kit-ahb'-jyin) Vital Statistics: + stuff deleted +>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +-- +Ravikumar Venkateswar +rvenkate@uiuc.edu + +A pun is a no' blessed form of whit. +",4 +7009,"From: johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) +Subject: Re: Oscilloscope triggering +Organization: Macquarie University +Lines: 86 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au + +In article <1993Apr5.120921.28985@dxcern.cern.ch>, jeroen@dxcern.cern.ch (Jeroen Belleman) writes: +|> In article dgj2y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Glen Jacobowitz) writes: +|> > Is it just me, or does anybody else out there NOT like digital +|> >scopes. My school has ... +|> > +|> > David Jacobowitz +|> > dgj2y@virginia.edu +|> +|> Oh no you're not the only one. Analogue scopes give you (or me, at +|> least) a fair idea of what's going on in a circuit. Digital scopes +|> seem to have a habit of inventing a sizable part of it. E.g. even +|> when there are only a few samples per period, our HP54510A displays a +|> continuous waveform, complete with non-existing overshoots. I've +|> waded through lots of manual pages and menus, but I haven't found yet +|> how to turn this off. It doesn't show which points have actually +|> been measured, as opposed to those which have been interpolated, +|> either. + +Perhaps you're using the wrong brand! (Sorry all HP fans, but I have +a hard time being convinced that their scopes match the rest of their +(excellent) gear). + +One of the principal functions I look for when considering a DSO is +whether you can turn interpolation off. The other important feature +is to disable repetitive waveform acquisition i.e. being able to lock +the instrument into real time capture mode. + +|> +|> Secondly, I don't like menus. I want to see all common functions +|> with their own button. (You'll have guessed I love analogue Tek +|> scopes) I'd choose a knob with printed legend over an on-screen +|> display with up-down buttons right away. The single knob of most +|> digital instruments never seems to be connected to the right function +|> at the right moment. +|> + +I agree with you here. The only consolation is that manufacturers are +_beginning_ to pay attention to ergonomics when designing the menus. +However, to be fair, it seems that first time scope users (our students) +seem to adjust to menus easier than navigating around the twenty or +more knobs required of a ""real"" scope :-) + +|> Last but not least, you never know if the waveform displayed is old +|> or recent, noisy or just incoherently modulated, heck, you don't +|> even know if it really looks the way it's displayed. Digital scopes +|> only show you a tiny fraction of what's going on. Most of the time +|> the're busy computing things. + +This is one area that newer DSOs are addressing. I recently evaluated +the latest box from Tek - their TDS320 - which seems to be a worthy +alternative to a standard 100MHz analogue CRO. This instrument has +a 100MHz, 500Ms/s spec, meaning that it is _always_ in real time +capture mode. The pricing also matches equivalent analogue scopes in +the range. The downer is that the instrument uses menus again, but at +least they appear to be logically laid out. +|> +|> There are only three situations for which I would prefer a digital +|> scope: Looking at what happened before the trigger, looking at rare +|> events, and acquiring the data to have my computer play with it. +|> +|> +|> Let's hope scope manufacturers are listening... +|> +|> Best regards, +|> Jeroen Belleman +|> jeroen@dxcern.cern.ch + +One more thing about the new, ""simpler"", front panels. These instruments +tend to use digital rotary encoders as knobs now. This is a vast improvement +over the old oak switch. The single most common cause of failure in our +scopes (other than students blowing up inputs!) is mechanical wear on these +switches. I look at the new panels as a great step toward increasing the +longevity of the instruments. + +JohnH + +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + | _ |_ _ |_| _ _| _| Electronics Department + |_| (_) | | | | | | (_| (_| (_| \/ School of MPCE + ---------------------------------/- Macquarie University + Sydney, AUSTRALIA 2109 + + Email: johnh@mpce.mq.edu.au, Ph: +61 2 805 8959, Fax: +61 2 805 8983 + +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +",12 +4078,"From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) +Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired) +Distribution: na +Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. +Lines: 21 + +In article callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: +>No. At six years, you are nearing the end of the design life of the +>vehicle, when everything should be breaking. At that point, the +>driving habits make more difference than the actual reliability +>of the vehicle, so the data becomes unreliable for drawing conclusions, + +Bad driving habits can damage a car in a couple of months, not 6 years. + +If that were not the case, everyone would be driving fleet rental re-solds... + +And while you are considering things (factors in stat terms), how about +city vs. highway driving ratios, owner vs. dealer service, extreme weather +or environment, adherence (sp?) to maintenance schedules, whether the car +has ever been in an accident, number of different drivers of the same car +in a family, whether the car is garaged, warmed up, ... + +Spiros +-- +Spiros Triantafyllopoulos c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com +Software Technology, Delco Electronics (317) 451-0815 +GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 [A Different Kind of Disclaimer] +",7 +4108,"From: rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ronald.j.deblock..jr) +Subject: Re: male/female mystery [ Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time ] +Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1993Apr6.171209.13913 +Distribution: na +Organization: AT&T +Lines: 15 + +In article <1pq8tkINNbek@chester.ksu.ksu.edu> bets@chester.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt) writes: +> +>Besides which, where would men put all their crap if their wives +>didn't carry purses? :-) +> +> +>Beth +> + +My wife rarely carries a purse, so all of her crap ends up in my pockets! + + +-- +Ron DeBlock rdb1@homxb.att.com (that's a number 1 in rdb1, not letter l) +AT&T Bell Labs Somerset, NJ USA +",7 +2277,"From: cmmiller@iastate.edu (C. M. Miller) +Subject: Re: LCIII vs. Centris 610? +Article-I.D.: news.C51s6w.9nr +Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA +Lines: 29 + +In article <1993Apr5.221603.17245@nctams1.uucp> tomj@pnet16.cts.com (Tom Jenkins) writes: +>Title says it all. I'd be particularly interested in the performance +>difference. Just how much faster (50%?) is the Centris 610 over the LCIII? +> +>--Tom +> +>UUCP: humu!nctams1!pnet16!tomj +>ARPA: humu!nctams1!pnet16!tomj@nosc.mil +>INET: tomj@pnet16.cts.com + +When Apple came with their demos to Iowa State, I got a chance to run +Speedometer3.1 on some of the new Macs. Both machines were running +System7.1, had a 14"" RGB. Don't know what the caches were set to. +Neither machine had an FPU It appears that the Centris610 is quite a +bit faster than the LC III: + + Centris610 LCIII + +CPU 13.01 6.92 +Graf 15.67 7.69 +Disk 2.22 2.44 +Math 25.57 10.19 + +P.R. Rating 12.91 6.58 + +So, there is a comparison. There is definitely a very noticable speed +difference between these two machines according to Speedometer3.1. + +Chad +",4 +4754,"From: gnome@pd.org (Mike Mitten) +Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???! +Organization: The Laughing Gnome Software Farm, Atlanta, GA, USA +Lines: 13 +NNTP-Posting-Host: noel.pd.org +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] + +james.bessette (jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) wrote: +>In article <6130328@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes: +>>ps. I also heard from a dog breeder that the chains of bicycles and +>>motorcycles produced high frequency squeaks that dogs loved to chase. +>Ask the breeder why they also chase BMWs also. + +Cam chain. + + -Mike + +Mike Mitten - gnome@pd.org - ...!emory!pd.org!gnome - AMA#675197 - DoD#522 +Irony is the spice of life. '90 Bianchi Backstreet '82 Suzuki GS850GL +""The revolution will not be televised."" +",8 +2143,"From: zrdf01@trc.amoco.com (Rusty Foreman) +Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors +Reply-To: zrdf01@trc.amoco.com +Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research +Lines: 11 + +Has anyone taken a look at the new ViewSonic 17? They claim 1280x1024 at 76Hz. +How does it compare with the T560i in terms of price, and quality of display? + + +|-----| Living on Tulsa time..... + | + | Rusty Foreman - - - - - - - - rforeman@trc.amoco.com + | Amoco Production Research {...uunet}!apctrc!zrdf01 + | P.O. Box 3385 phone: (918) 660-3488 + | Tulsa, OK 74102 fax: 918-660-4163 + +",3 +8758,"From: tholen@newton.ifa.hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen) +Subject: Re: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) +Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii +Lines: 23 + +Alan Carter writes: + +>> 3. On April 19, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer to +>> 264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase. + +> This activity is regularly reported in Ron's interesting posts. Could +> someone explain what the Command Loss Timer is? + +The name is rather descriptive. It's a command to the spacecraft that tells +it ""If you don't hear from Earth after 264 hours, assume something is wrong +with your (the spacecraft) attitude, and go into a preprogrammed search mode +in an attempt to reacquire the signal from Earth."" + +The spacecraft and Earth are not in constant communication with each other. +Earth monitors the telemetry from the spacecraft, and if everything is fine, +there's no reason to send it any new information. But from the spacecraft's +point of view, no information from Earth could mean either everything is +fine, or that the spacecraft has lost signal acquisition. Just how long +should the spacecraft wait before it decides that something is wrong and +begins to take corrective action? That ""how long"" is the command loss timer. +During relatively inactive cruise phases, the command loss timer can be set +to rather long values. In this case, Earth is telling Galileo ""expect to +hear back from us sometime within the next 264 hours"". +",14 +2636,"From: Eric.Choi@p5.f175.n2240.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Choi) +Subject: Re: Educational Pricing/gray market +Organization: FidoNet node 1:2240/175.5 - Association Mac BBS, Grand Blanc MI +Lines: 17 + + + eu> Apple does not authorise sales through Mail Order. As a result mail + eu> order companies have to obtain their machines by the grey market. + eu> + eu> This market is supplied with machines from authorised resellers who + eu> have more machines than they can sell. They come into this state of + eu> affairs by overordering either accidentally or deliberatly to get a + eu> better wholsale price from Apple. In either case they often obscure + eu> the serial nunber to protect their identity. As a result the warranty + eu> is void. + +I have ordered several Macs from different mail order companies with absolutely zero problem. You have to dig around to find the true gray market dealers that sell Macs with authentic serial numbers untouched. There are value-added dealers (nothing to do with VAT, no flame please) that are very legitimate. + +CDA unfortunately is one of those that replace the serial number with their own to prevent Apple from tracing which authorized dealer sold that machine to CDA. +-- +=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= + Eric Choi - Internet: Eric.Choi@p5.f175.n2240.z1.fidonet.org +",4 +8120,"From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) +Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! +Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest +Lines: 38 + +In article geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: +>In article <1993Apr22.001642.9186@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: +> +>>>>>Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back +>>>>>the lost weight does not constitute ""weight rebound"" until it +>>>>>exceeds the starting weight? Or is this oral tradition that +>>>>>is shared only among you obesity researchers? +>>>> +>>>>Annals of NY Acad. Sci. 1987 +>>>> +>>>Hmmm. These don't look like references to me. Is passive-aggressive +>>>behavior associated with weight rebound? :-) +>> +>>I purposefully left off the page numbers to encourage the reader to +>>study the volumes mentioned, and benefit therefrom. +>> +> +>Good story, Chuck, but it won't wash. I have read the NY Acad Sci +>one (and have it). This AM I couldn't find any reference to +>""weight rebound"". I'm not saying it isn't there, but since you +>cited it, it is your responsibility to show me where it is in there. +>There is no index. I suspect you overstepped your knowledge base, +>as usual. +>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +>Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +>geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +It's on page 315, about 2 1/2 inches up from the bottom and an inch in +from the right. + +At least we know what some people *haven't* read and remembered. + +-- +Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf +Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ + Omen Technology Inc ""The High Reliability Software"" +17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD Portland OR 97231 503-621-3406 +",13 +11029,"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) +Subject: Christians above the Law, was Clarification of personal position +Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. + +Lines: 24 + +In article +sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: +>My online Bible is on a CD, but I don't own a CD-ROM system for the +>time being, so I can't search for the famous cite where Jesus explicitly +>states that he didn't want to break existing (Jewish) laws. In other +>words technically speaking Christians should use Saturday and not Sunday +>as their holy day, if they want to conform to the teachings of Jesus. + +Who said Christians want to conform to the teachings of Jesus? + +""You are the light of the world. A city can't be hidden lying on a +mountaintop. Nor do people light a candle and cover it with a big +basket; they put it up on a tall candlestick where it can shine for +everyone in the house. That's how your light must shine in front of the +world, so that people see your good deeds and give credit to your Father +in the skies. Don't think I came to dissolve The Law [Torah aka First +Five Books] or The Prophets: [7 major plus 12 minor] I didn't come to +dissolve them, I came to fulfill them. I assure you, till the sky and +the earth go away, not one letter or punctuation mark of The Law will +ever go away until everthing has come to pass. So anyone who dissolves +even one of the smallest commandments and teaches others the same way, +will be known as the lowest in the kingdom of the skies; whereas anyone +who keeps the commands and teaches them too, will be known as someone +great in the kingdom of the skies."" Matt5:14-19, Gaus, ISBN:0-933999-99-2 +",19 +609,"From: Peter.vanderveen@visser.el.wau.nl (Peter van der Veen) +Subject: Re: Fonts in POV?? +Lines: 30 +Organization: Wageningen Agricultural University +X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0 + +In Article <1qg9fc$et9@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au> ""g9134255@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Coronado Emmanuel Abad)"" says: +> +> +> I have seen several ray-traced scenes (from MTV or was it +> RayShade??) with stroked fonts appearing as objects in the image. +> The fonts/chars had color, depth and even textures associated with +> them. Now I was wondering, is it possible to do the same in POV?? +> +> +> Thanks, +> +> Noel +> +Yes, there are serveral programs which can convert font files (eq the Borland +fonts) to objects consisting of spheres, cones etc. +I've used a program (forgot its name/place, but i can look for it) which +converted these Borland fonts to three different raytracers. Vivid, POV and +Polyray (which i like more (more flexibel/faster/use of expressions etc). +The program has a lot nice features. +So if interested give me a mail. + + /*---------*\*/*-------------------------------------------*\ + *| ____/| *|* PETER.VANDERVEEN@VISSER.EL.WAU.NL |* + *| \ o.O| *|* Department of Genetics |* + *| =(_)= *|* Agricultural University |* + *| U *|* Wageningen, The Netherlands |* + \*---------*/*\*-------------------------------------------*/ +",1 +449,"From: ""Robert Knowles"" +Subject: Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was +In-Reply-To: +Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 +Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa +X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3) +Lines: 35 + +>DATE: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:23:54 GMT +>FROM: Umar Khan +> +> His conclusion was that, +>while he was impressed that what little the Holy Qur'an had to +>say about science was accurate, he was far more impressed that the +>Holy Qur'an did not contain the same rampant errors evidenced in +>the Traditions. How would a man of 7th Century Arabia have known +>what *not to include* in the Holy Qur'an (assuming he had authored +>it)? +> +Well, it looks like the folks in soc.religion.islam have loosened up +a bit and are discussing this topic as well as the banking/interest +topic. A few books on the subject have also been mentioned in addition +to the one you mentioned. These may be hard to find, but I think I may +take a stab at it out of curiosity. I know the one film I saw on this +subject was pretty weak and the only two quotes I have seen which were +used to show science in the Koran (which I posted here) were also pretty +vague. I suspect that these books will extrapolate an awful lot on the +quotes they have. + +At least one poster on the Islam channel seems to have some misgivings +about the practice of using the Koran to decide what is good science. + +I wonder if Islam has ever come up with the equivalent of the Christians +""Creation Science"" on any topic. It would be interesting to find a history +of scientific interpretations of the Koran, to see if anyone used the Koran +to support earlier science which has since been discarded. It is all too +easy to look at science as it exists today and then ""interpret"" passages +to match those findings. People do similar things with the sayings of +Nostradamus all the time. + +Anyway, it is a rather unique claim of Islam and may be worth checking. + + +",0 +1604,"From: ewl@world.std.com (Erich W Lantz) +Subject: >80 col. mail messages in MS Windows editors +Keywords: windows editor norton desktop mail +Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA +Lines: 31 + +I have a modest system of aliases/macros that enables me to download +mail from a public access UNIX system to my MS-DOS box. I read and reply +to the mail with a MS Windows 3.1 based editor. + +Everything works peachey keen as long as the author of the message has +maintained his text at 80 col. max. width. Sometimes I get slightly wider +messages that run off-screen, so I have to use the cursor/slider to read +the whole thing. + +I'm using NDW Deskedit mainly, but I've experienced the same prob with +all other MS WIndows editors. I've fiddled with word wrap settings in +the various editors, but to no avail. I know I'm missing something very +basic in editor setup, but what is it? + +Oh yeah, MS Word for Windows converts everything flawlessly but for what +I'm looking for that's like using a tank to crack walnuts. + +I'd really like to have an editor setup that would display all incoming +ASCII files in a readable format to my screen. + +Thanks in advance, + +============================================================ +Erich W. Lantz AMA #601821 +ewl@world.std.com Distributor of Deflagration #0815 + '85 Virago + "" Well yer dead now, so shut up! "" - M.P. +============================================================ + + + +",2 +832,"From: tdawson@llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) +Subject: Ray tracer for ms-dos? +Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor +Lines: 9 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu +Originator: tdawson@llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu + + +Sorry for the repeat of this request, but does anyone know of a good +free/shareware program with which I can create ray-traces and save +them as bit-mapped files? (Of course if there is such a thing =) + +Thanks in advance + +Daemon + +",1 +10477,"From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU () +Subject: A demo of Nonsense Talk- and what about all the other lies? +Organization: Santa Cruz +Lines: 33 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu + +In article <15196@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: +> +>Homosexuals have been lying about the 10% number for so long that +>the politicians are running scared of them. Of course, homosexuals +>lying should be no surprise. +> + +How can you lie about something that no one knows for sure. I am the first +to state that the 10% figure may be too high- but it may just be too low, +depending on what you are talking about. + +Keep in mind that there are 'practicing' heterosexuals that are actually +gay. These people chose to take a road that avoids being harassed and +they wanted to 'fit-in' with everyone other 'normal' person. + +But let's get off of this irrational behavior of calling everyone a liar, +you cannot even start to support such claims. + +>Also, the corrupt, criminal and lying nature of Kinsey's work, which +>provides much of the justification for homosexual ""rights"" in the modern +>era, should make people step back for a moment and question the rest +>of the crap that they have been force-fed by the news media. + +This sure sounds definitive. How do you label Kinsey's work like this, +from that factually based and scientific journal WSJ? + +>-- +>Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. + +This is an interesting statement. Do you realize how many things you do +your life that are not based on 'mutual consent'- and that it may be +required on occasion that all parties may not be mutually consenting? +This +",18 +6445,"From: bob@natasha.portal.com (Bob Cain) +Subject: Re: Pgp, PEM, and RFC's (Was: Cryptography Patents) +Organization: Oce Graphics USA +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] +Lines: 22 + +Charles Kincy (ckincy@cs.umr.edu) wrote: +: In article <1993Apr16.001321.3692@natasha.portal.com> bob@natasha.portal.com (Bob Cain) writes: +: +: >: I hope my cynicism is misplaced here. Go ahead...I'm not afraid to +: >: be wrong every once in a while. But, I have an uneasy feeling that I +: >: am right. :( +: > +: >It is and you are wrong yet you emotionally state a bunch of crap as fact +: >with a tiny disclaimer at the end. Check your facts first and grow up. +: >Why is there such a strong correlation between interest in cryptography +: >and immaturity I wonder. +: +: Oh, I see, flame someone, tell them that they are immature, tell them +: they are wrong, and then don't offer any proof for your assertions. +: +: You really *are* a putz. Put up or shut up. +: + +I will provide any proof you wish in private. Name it, dickhead. + + +Putz Cain +",11 +4204,"From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) +Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... +Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility +Lines: 33 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca +Keywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +In article , neil@bcstec.ca.boeing.com + (Neil Williams) writes... + +# +#As long as we're on the subject... Several years ago myself and two others +#were riding in the front of a Toyota pickup heading south on Interstate 5 +#north of Seattle, WA. Someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our +#windshield. Not by accident I'm sure, it was impossible to get up to the +#overpass quickly to see who did it. We figured it was kids, reported it and +#left. +#A couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company. He was +#in his mid-fourties and left behind a wife and children. Turned out there was +#a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away. They caught the 14 year old +#that did it. They put a cover over the overpass, what else could they do? +#I don't think I'll over forget this story. +#Neil Williams, Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA. +#.. +# + + Neil, what did they do to the 14-year-old who they caught? What did + the man's insurance company do? This could be significant and in any case + very interesting. + + Followups to alt.parents-teens. + + + Fred W. Bach , Operations Group | Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca + TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility) | Voice: 604-222-1047 loc 327/278 + 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS | FAX: 604-222-1074 + University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA V6T 2A3 + + These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question. + They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers. +",7 +374,"From: timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) +Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and anarchists +Lines: 117 + +mccullou@whipple.cs.wisc.edu writes: + +>My turn +>I went back and reread your post. All you did is attack atheism, and +>say that agnosticism wasn't as funny as atheism. Nowhere does that +>imply that you are agnostic, or weak atheist. As most people who post +>such inflammatory remarks are theists, it was a reasonable assumption. + +Sorry, you're right. I did not clearly state it. + +>>Rule *2: Condescending to the population at large (i.e., theists) will not +>>win many people to your faith anytime soon. It only ruins your credibility. + +>How am I being condescending to the population at large? I am stating +>something that happened to be true for a long time, I couldn't believe +>that people actually believed in this god idea. It was an alien concept +>to me. I am not trying to win people to my faith as you put it. I have +>no faith. Religion was a non issue when I had the attitude above because +>it never even occurred to me to believe. Atheist by default I guess you +>could say. + +The most common form of condescending is the rational versus irrational +attitude. Once one has accepted the _assumption_ that there is no god(s), +and then consider other faiths to be irrational simply because their +assumption(s) contradict your assumption, then I would say there's a +lack of consistency here. + +Now I know you'll get on me about faith. If the _positive_ belief that God +does not exist were a closed, logical argument, why do so many rational +people have problems with that ""logic""? + +But you, probably like me, seem to be a soft atheist. Sorry for the flamage. + +>The line about atheists haveing something up their sleeves is what seemed +>to imply that. Sorry, been reading too much on the CLIPPER project lately, +>and the paranoia over there may have seeped in some. + +;) What is the CLIPPER project BTW? + +>>Rule #4: Don't mix apples with oranges. How can you say that the +>>extermination by the Mongols was worse than Stalin? Khan conquered >people +>>unsympathetic to his cause. That was atrocious. But Stalin killed >millions of +>>his own people who loved and worshipped _him_ and his atheist state!! >>How can +>>anyone be worse than that? + +>Many rulers have done similar things in the past, only Stalin did it +>when there was plenty of documentation to afix the blame on him. The +>evidence is that some of the early European rulers ruled with an iron +>fist much like Stalin's. You threw in numbers, and I am sick of hearing +>about Stalin as an example because the example doesn't apply. You +>managed to get me angry with your post because it appeared to attack +>all forms of atheism. + +It might have appeared to attack atheism in general, but its point was +that mass killing happens for all sorts of reasons. People will hate who +they will and will wave whatever flag to justify it, be it cross or +hammer&sickle. The Stalin example _is_ important not only because it's +still a widely unappreciated era that people want to forget but also +because people really did love him and his ideas, even after all that he +had wrought. + +>The evidence I am referring to is more a lack of evidence than negative +>evidence. Say I claim there are no pink crows. I have never seen +>a pink crow, but that doesn't mean it couldn't exist. But, this person +>here claims that there are pink crows, even though he admits he hasn't +>been able to capture one or get a photo, or find one with me etc. +>In a sense that is evidence to not believe in the existence of pink crows. +>That is what I am saying when I look at the evidence. I look at the +>suppossed evidence for a deity, show how it is flawed, and doesn't show +>what theists want it to show, and go on. + +First, all the pink crows/unicorns/elves arguments in the world will not +sway most people, for they simply do not accept the analogy. Why? + +One of the big reasons is that many, many people want something +beyond this life. You can pretend that they don't want this, but I for +one can accept it and even want it myself sometimes. + +And there is nothing unique in this example of why people want a God. +Can love as a truth be proven, logically? + +>>themselves, namely, a god or gods. So in principle it's hard to see how +>>theists are necessarily arrogant. + +>Makes no sense to me. They seem arrogant to make such a claim to me. +>But my previous refutation still stands, and I believe there may be +>another one on the net. + +John the Baptist boasted of Jesus to many people. I find it hard to see +how that behavior is arrogant at all. Many Christians I know also boast +in this way, but I still do not necessarily see it as arrogance. Of course, +I do know arrogant Christians, doctors, and teachers as well. Technically, +you might consider the person who originally made a given claim to be arrogant, +Jesus, for instance. + +>Are you talking about all atheism or just strong atheism? If you are +>talking about weak atheism which I believe in, then I refuse such a claim. +>Atheism is a lack of belief. I used good ol' Occam's Razor to make the +>final rejection of a deity, in that, as I see things, even if I +>present the hypothesises in an equal fasion, I find the theist argument +>not plausible. + +I speak against strong atheism. I also often find that the evidence +supporting a faith is very subjective, just as, say, the evidence supporting +love as truth is subjective. + +>I believe I answered that. I apologize for the (as you stated) incorrect +>assumption on your theism, but I saw nothing to indicate that you +>were an agnostic, only that you were just another newbie Christian +>on the net trying to get some cheap shots in. + +No apology necessary. :) +-- +Bake Timmons, III + +-- ""...there's nothing higher, stronger, more wholesome and more useful in life +than some good memory..."" -- Alyosha in Brothers Karamazov (Dostoevsky) +",0 +8204,"From: DKELO@msmail.pepperdine.edu (Dan Kelo) +Subject: M-81 Supernova +X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest +Organization: [via International Space University] +Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU +Distribution: sci +Lines: 7 + + +How 'bout some more info on that alleged supernova in M-81? +I might just break out the scope for this one. +____________________________________________________ +""No sir, I don't like it! ""-- Mr. Horse +Dan Kelo dkelo@pepvax.pepperdine.edu +____________________________________________________ +",14 +2665,"From: HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky) +Subject: Re: PowerPC ruminations; was Re: LCIII->PowerPC? +Organization: Stanford University +Lines: 97 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu + +In article <1993Apr16.214300.12920@ac.dal.ca>, +seanmcd@ac.dal.ca writes: +>In article <186177@pyramid.pyramid.com>, andrem@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Andre Molyneux) writes: +>> In article <1qksuq$1tt8@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu>, mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu +>> (David Joshua Mirsky) writes: +>> |> Hi. I own an LCIII and I recently heard an interesting rumor. +>> |> I heard that the LCIII has a built in slot for a PowerPC chip. +>> |> Is this true? I heard that the slot is not the same as the PDS +>> |> slot. Is that true? +>> |> +>> |> Thanks +>> |> David Mirsky +>> |> mirsky@gnu.ai.mit.edu +>> +>> Well, I also have an LC III. Popping the top revealed: +>> +>> One ""socket"" for an additional VRAM SIMM +>> +>> One ""socket"" for a 72-pin RAM SIMM +>> +>> One socket for a flat-pack FPU +>> +>> A processor-direct slot (PDS) identical to the LC/LC II, but with +>> an additional set of connetions to one side (for the full 32-bit +>> data path that the LC/LC II lacked +>> +>> That's it. I guess a board with a PowerPC chip could be made that would fit +>> in the PDS, but that's the only place. +>> +>So, will it be possible to have a NuBus or PDS PowerPC upgrade, or will it +>require a logic board swap? It would be interesting for Apple to come out with +>a NuBus PowerPC that allowed use of the CPU's 680x0, like RocketShare. But I +>guess that's getting a bit fantastic! +> +>I was wondering, since MacWeek reported that developers were 'seeded' with +>PowerPCs on a NuBus card. +> +>Also, any word on machine arrivals or estimated speed? Last I heard, the +>estimates were around 3-4 times the speed of a Quadra in native RISC mode. I +>heard an Apple employee mumble something about the arrival of PowerPC machines +>at a much earlier date that Q1 94, but I doubt it's true. +> +>Finally, is the PowerPC developer's CD 'mini-course' available? I saw it +>advertised in the developer's university calendar, and I'd like to know if it's +>at all *interesting*. +> +>Sean +>-------------- +>seanmcd@ac.dal.ca + +Radius speculated, publicly, that they could provide a PowerPC-based +Rocket for existing Macs. It would have the plus of RocketShare and +the minus of NuBus accelerators - no true boot off the accelerator, +NuBus bottleneck to video and other I/O. + +Apple, it seems, will not compete with third parties here -- except +perhaps for not-yet-available Macs like Cyclone, where a PowerPC +slot might be advertised. Look for Daystar and such to make PowerPC +accelerators. + +One potential problem with any accelerator, though, is that it will +need a ROM companion and Apple has licensed only Radius, with +Rocketshare, to use any of its proprietary code. + +Apple is, between the lines, trying to let us know that PowerPC Macs +will have simplified logic boards due to the magical nature of RISC +and that these boards should be much cheaper to build than those in +existing 68040 Macs. Perhaps, then, we'll see groundbreaking +prices in Mac-logic board upgrades, much the same way we've seen +much cheaper high-performance CPUs this year. + +First generation PowerPCs, 98601s, will also hopefully have socketed +CPUs so that they'll be chip upgradeable to 98604s a year later. +This should be possible in much the same way that 486s can be pulled +for clock doublers. If there is too much technical baggage (which +I doubt since the external busses are the same size/width) to do +this, perhaps we can have CPU daughterboard, a la Powerbook, as +standard to facilitate better CPU upgrades. This is an area where +Apple has fallen far behing the Intel-based world. Perhaps catchup +is in order. + +By the way, last week's PC week had an excellent story on PowerPC, +Pentium, MIPS R4000, DEC Alpha (the big four on the microprocessor +front for the forseeable future). Worth reading for technojunkies. +Also, the latest PC has a cover story on Pentium. Read it, and all +the other stories about how Intel is unstoppable and preeminent +right now. + +Once anyone is this secure, they are due to fall. Intel's market +position will never again be as dominant as it is today (especially +if AMD gets the go ahead to sell its 486s this week as it appears it +might). The competition from all fronts is gearing up for an awesome +battle. Apple users should be excited that PowerPC, while not +guaranteed dominance, is a guaranteed winner, even if its one of +several. + +Mark +",4 +4660,"From: bgardner@bambam.es.com (Blaine Gardner) +Subject: Re: Why I won't be getting my Low Rider this year +Keywords: congratz +Article-I.D.: dsd.1993Apr6.044018.23281 +Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation +Lines: 23 +Nntp-Posting-Host: bambam + +In article <1993Apr5.182851.23410@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes: +>In article <1993Mar30.214419.923@pb2esac.uucp>, prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) writes: + +>> That would be low drag bars and way rad rearsets for the FJ, so that the +>> ergonomic constraints would have contraceptive consequences? +> +>Ouch. :-) This brings to mind one of the recommendations in the +>Hurt Study. Because the rear of the gas tank is in close proximity +>to highly prized and easily damaged anatomy, Hurt et al recommended +>that manufacturers build the tank so as to reduce the, er, step function +>provided when the rider's body slides off of the seat and onto the +>gas tank in the unfortunate event that the bike stops suddenly and the +>rider doesn't. I think it's really inspiring how the manufacturers +>have taken this advice to heart in their design of bikes like the +>CBR900RR and the GTS1000A. + +I dunno, on my old GS1000E the tank-seat junction was nice and smooth. +But if you were to travel all the way forward, you'd collect the top +triple-clamp in a sensitive area. I'd hate to have to make the choice, +but I think I'd prefer the FJ's gas tank. :-) +-- +Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland +bgardner@dsd.es.com +",8 +2800,"From: blob@apple.com (Brian Bechtel) +Subject: Re: Drivers for CD-ROM +Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, California +Lines: 44 +NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com + +sakelley@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Scott Kelley) writes: + +>Does anybody know where I could find a driver for a Future Echo +>Infomasster [sic] CDE 600 CD-ROM drive? A friend is running this drive +>off of a PC and would like to use it on the mac. + +Here are some contacts for generic CD-ROM drivers: + Optical Access International + 800 West Cummings Park, Suite 2050 + Woburn MA 01801 + (617) 937-3910 + (617) 937-3950 fax + AppleLink: OAI + FWB, Inc. + 2040 Polk Street, Suite 215 + San Francisco, CA 94109 + (415) 474-8055 + (415) 775-2125 fax + AppleLink: FWB + Optical Media International + 180 Knowles Drive + Los Gatos, CA 95030 + (408) 376-3511 + (408) 376-3519 fax + AppleLink: OMI + Trantor Systems (for Intel architecture machines) + 5415 Randall Place + Fremont, CA 94538 + (415) 770-1400 + AppleLink: TRANTOR + Software Architects (not verified) + 11812 North Creek Parkway N. + Suite 202 + Bothell, WA 98011 + AppleLink: SOFTARCH.DEV +> Casa Blanca Works(not verified) +> 415-461-2227 +> Applelink: CBWorks + +To send a message to someone on AppleLink, use the form + address@applelink.apple.com +where ""address"" is replaced by the appropriate applelink address. + +--Brian Bechtel blob@apple.com ""My opinion, not Apple's"" +",4 +11005,"From: ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) +Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is +Organization: EIT +Lines: 16 +NNTP-Posting-Host: kyle.eitech.com + +In article <1qjbn0$na4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: +>In article kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: +># You have only pushed back the undefined meaning. You must now define +>#what ""objective values"" are. +> +>Really? You don't know what objective value is? If I offered the people +>of the U.S., collectively, $1 for all of the land in America, would that +>sound like a good deal? +Well, that would depend on how much we wanted the US and how much +we wanted the $1, wouldn't it? +-Ekr + +-- +Eric Rescorla ekr@eitech.com + Would you buy used code from this man? + +",19 +7192,"From: jmains@engr.latech.edu (John P. Mains) +Subject: Electrical Properties of ELASTOMERS +Organization: Louisiana Tech University +Lines: 13 +Distribution: usa +Reply-To: jmains@engr.latech.edu +NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.engr.latech.edu + + +Hello, + +I am looking for carbon-doped rubber. Or an highly elastic material that changes its resistivity, or some +other electrical property when streched. + +If you could email me any info you may have on material names or companies that make the stuff +it would be highly appreaciated. + +Thanx +JP +Biomedical Engineering +Louisiana Tech University +",12 +5175,"From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) +Subject: Do Splitfires Help Spagthorpe Diesels ? +Keywords: Using Splitfire plugs for performance. +Distribution: rec.motorcycles +Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX +Lines: 34 + +In article wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c) writes: +>Earlier, I was reading on the net about using Splitfire plugs. One +>guy was thinking about it and almost everybody shot him to hell. Well, +>I saw one think that someone said about ""Show me a team that used Split- +>fires...."" Well, here's some additional insight and some theories +>about splitfire plugs and how they boost us as oppossed to cages. +> +>Splitfires were originally made to burn fuel more efficiently and +>increased power for the 4x4 cages. Well, for these guys, splitfires +> +>Now I don't know about all of this (and I'm trying to catch up with +>somebody about it now), but Splitfires should help twins more than + +Splitfires work mainly by providing a more-or-less unshrouded spark to the +combustion chamber. If an engine's cylinder head design can benefit from this, +then the splitfires will yield a slight performance increase, most noticeably +in lower rpm range torque. Splitfires didn't do diddly-squat for my 1992 GMC +pickup (4.3l V6) but do give a noticeable performance boost in my 1991 Harley +Sportster 1200 and my best friend's 1986 Sportster 883. Folks I know who've +tried them in 1340 Evo motors can't tell any performance boost over plain +plugs (which is interesting since the XLH and big twin EVO combustion chambers +are pretty much the same shape, just different sizes). Two of my friends who +have shovelhead Harleys swear by the splitfires but if I had a shovelhead, +I'd dual-plug it instead since they respond well enough to dual plugs to make +the machine work and extra ignition system worth the expense (plus they look +really cool with a spark plug on each side of each head) +-- +============================================================================= +Neal Howard '91 XLH-1200 DoD #686 CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX) + doh #0000001200 |355o33| neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org + Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's. + ""Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps + we shall learn the truth."" -- August Kekule' (1890) +============================================================================= +",8 +10817,"From: chaudhary-amar@yale.edu (Amar Chaudhary) +Subject: Re: Top Ten Signs That It's the Age of Aquarius on Pennsylvania Avenue +Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158 +Lines: 111 +NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu + + + + +> Top Ten Signs That It's the Age of Aquarius on Pennsylvania Avenue +> +> + +>10. Men in uniform are persona non grata in the home of our Commander in +> Chief. +> +>9. Algore's enviro-mentalism will make the Clean Air Act look like an +> industrial policy. +> +>8. Higher taxes are once again the prescription for all that ails America. +> +>7. Tax dodging is unpatriotic; draft dodging is a symbol of pride. +> +>6. Beaded curtains hang from the Oval Office windows. +> +>5. Socialism may be dead in the ex-Soviet Union but we are told to prepare +> for the nationalization of our health care resources. (These people +> must be inhaling something.) +> +>4. Not quite free love but eating Flowers is considered healthy. +> +>3. The feminazis have a President in the White House whether the rest of +> us realize it or not. +> +>2. Slick may be the first draft dodger to send American troops into +> combat. +> +>1. Slick may be unpopular with middle-class Americans, but he's a BIG HIT +> on campus with the professorial class. +> +> +> +>Copyright (c) Edward A. Ipser, Jr., 1993 +> + +Here's my own top ten response to Mr. Ipser's list + + +10. It's about time we have a President that might actually stand up to the + military. Our men and women in uniform must learn that the world does not + revolve around them, and that one of the things they're out there defending + is our right to be critical of them, even denounce them. + +9. Let me explain something to you. Environmental policy and industrial + policy MUST go hand in hand. Our nation, and indeed, our planet cannot + afford to continue ignoring this as was done over the last twelve years. + Our industrial/environmental position has been downright SHAMEFUL! We + must have active government support of the key industries such as, + telecommunications, microelectronics, medical, biotech, and environmental + tech. Meanwhile weed out old, inneficient, high-polution, industries + that are better left to other nations. This will make us richer, help + produce new jobs, and help the environment. To give credit where credit + is due, I heard a lot of this in a speech by Senator John Kerry (D-MA) + tonite. In addition, it's time we get really, really serious about + issues like overpopulation, globabl warming, and ozone depletion. The + planet on which we live should be our utmost priority! + +8. It just so happens that that it takes money to make this country work, + to provide the services that people need, and to help solve the problems + that need to be solved. Granted, some things can probably be done more + efficiently for less money, and should be. But some things are going to + cost more money and I'm sick and tired of hearing everyone whining about + taxes all the time. You want to live in my country, you pay your fair + share! + +7. I can't believe what hypocrites people are when they ask people to give + up their lives for their country and then complain about taxes. If you're + willing to send me off to die for some stupid obsession with fighting an + enemy which at best doesn't affect us and at worst really should be our + friend, then you have no right to tell me you shouldn't pay taxes! + +6. Hey, I think the beaded curtains add a lovely 60's-esque touch! + +5. Look, Canada, Europe, and Japan manage to provide health care for their + citizens (and, yes, basic health IS a human right which people are + entitled to). If these nations aren't capitalist enough for you, then + I guess we've found something better than capitalism! There is nothing + sacred about the capitalist system, and if something, be it socialism + or anything else, works better, then I say let capitalism die. + +4. Make love, not War! + +3. Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to be a male and a feminist + at the same time. To discriminate against or to deny equal opportunity + to a MAJORITY of the population is just plain wrong, and trying to force + them into some sort of tradition role is even worse. Women certainly + have as much to offer this world as men, and the day that gender + discrimination is finally broken it going to make all the revolutions of + the past few centuries seem like reform bills. I look forward to it. + +2. See number 10. + +1. HEY MAN, ACADAMIA RULES!! + + + + -Amar Chaudhary + + Peace, Land, at Matzoh! + ""AC in DC in 2008!"" + +None of the opinions here necessary reflect the opinions of Yale University or +anyone or anything associated with it, except for me, of course :) + +Please post reponses or send them to chaudhary-amar@cs.yale.edu + + +",18 +1025,"From: merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin) +Subject: Tom Gaskins Pexlib vs Phigs Programming Manuals (O'Reilly) +Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA +Lines: 24 +NNTP-Posting-Host: neuro.usc.edu + +Could someone explain the difference between Tom Gaskins' two books: + + o PEXLIB Programming Manual + o PHIGS Programming Manual + +Why would I want to buy one book vs the other book? I have an 80386 +running SCO UNIX (X11R4) on my desktop, a SUN IV/360 in my lab, and +access to a variety of other systems (Alliant FX/2800, Cray Y/MP) on +the network. Mostly, we would like to do 3D modeling/visualization +of rat, rabbit, monkey, and human brain structure. + +Thanks, AJ + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Alexander-James Annala +Principal Investigator +Neuroscience Image Analysis Network +HEDCO Neuroscience Building, Fifth Floor +University of Southern California +University Park +Los Angeles, CA 90089-2520 +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + + +",1 +9334,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) +Subject: ""National repentance"" +Reply-To: jwaugh@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu +Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens +Lines: 29 + +Concerning Christians praying for coporate forgiveness of national sins, +Michael Covington claims the following of C.S. Lewis: + +> C. S. Lewis made the same point in an essay after World War II, +> when some Christian leaders in Britain were urging ""national repentance"" +> for the horrors (sins???) of World War II. +> -- +> :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** +> :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* +> :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * +> :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** +<>< + +I was surprised when I heard this same kind of remark from a fellow grad. +student I know, especially since he had seminary training. I have read the +same essay and do not find Lewis making any such claim. Rather, Lewis is +condemning the use of such coporate prayer efforts as platforms to make +political jabs at opponents, feigned as confessions of guilt (ie., Lord please +forgive us for allowing ""insert political issue/idea/platform"" to exist in our +country, it is wrong and we ask your forgiveness.). I would be interested in +knowing what part of the essay you feel condemns national repentance (please +quote). + +Jonathan Waugh +Graduate Research Associate, Pulmonary Medicine Div. +The Ohio State University +SAMP, Rm 431, 1583 Perry St. +Columbus, OH 43210 +jwaugh@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu +",15 +10679,"From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) +Subject: The lessons of the NAZIs Re: David Irving - Scholastic fraud +Lines: 112 +Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de +Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA + + +In responding to the post below I have considered issues far outside the +scope of revisionism and principally have considered the political +implications of a racist ideology and its inevitable outcome. Thus it +is tangentially relevant to soc.history and alt.revisionism but I have directed +followups to t.p.m since it is principally consideration of the political +lessons to be drawn from the history of the NAZI party that I deal with. + + +In article <1993Apr14.121823.21851@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes: + +|>As Dawidowicz points out, in ""The Holocaust and the Historians,"" (Harvard +|>University Press, 34-38): +|> +|>""...the nadir in Hitlerology is reached by David Irving's ""Hitler's +|>War.""<34> An amateur historian, whose reputation as a German apologist and +|>as a writer without regard for accuracy or truth won him a measure of +|>notoriety, <35> Irving produced a 926-page work intended to show that Hitler +|>was kind to his animals and to his secretaries, that he was ""probably the +|>weakest _leader_ Germany has known in this century,"" and that he did not +|>murder the Jews or even wish to do so, but that the murder was committed +|>behind his back, without his knowledge or consent."" + +Let us assume for the sake of argument that this was indeed the case? Does +this mean that Hilter would have been in any way less guilty of mass murder +because he aquiesced rather than participated as an active and ardent +supporter? + +One of the important things to realise about the NAZIs is that the system +was far more evil than any single member. Once created the NAZI party +itself was a murder machine that would inevitably commit genocide, there was +noone within it strong enough to prevent it. Remember that Hitler did not +originaly lead the NAZI party nor was he particularly powerful within it +until his oratory allowed the party to come to power. Had Hitler reneged +upon the emotiaonal expectations which he had created within the ranks of +his supporters he would have been replaced as he had himself replaced the +old guard who he beleived were unable to grasp the intellectual implications +of their rhetoric. + +This is why all parties that espouse NAZI style race supremacy ideologies must +be considered as dangerous and as evil as the NAZIs. The idea that one ""race"" +of people is inherently superior to another and that the greatest goal of +humanity is to achieve racial perfection has only one logical outcome, +the gas chambers of Auschwitz. + +The NAZI party is not simply the tale of a supremely evil single man who +lead an entire country astray, beyond the evil of individuals there was the +evil of the system itself which was self generating and self perpetuating. +Hitler was an extreemly evil person who built his party arround an ego +cult centered on the demonstration of his own power, this does not however +mean that he was as entirely free from political constraints as he and +his propagandists worked so hard to assert. The myth that racism can +produce a strong government that can cure a nations ills must be +emphatically rejected. In the same way we must accept a distinction between +a govenrment that demonstrates its strength and one that is able to +govern decisively in the manner it beleives is best. I would accept only the +latter as a ""strong"" government since most displays of strength are made +necessary by an essential weakness. + +It is important to understand that the NAZIs were not stupid nor were they +amoral in the sense that they lacked moral scruples. They acted in the +same manner as the Spanish Inquisition - murder and torture in the cause +of morality. The fault of the NAZIs lies in their axioms, not in their +logic nor in their implementation of those axioms. Thus all such parties +such as the National Front or David Dukes Klu Klux Klan front who assert +the truth of those axioms must be considered for what they are, advocates +of a system that would commit genocide. + +The conclusion that Hitler was not only responsible but imensely evil is +inescapable from the historical record. It is important though to not let +the conclusion be reached that the NAZIs espoused a set of ideas that +were basically correct but had an unfortunate proponent. The evils of +the concept of race supremacy are primary. Although this most emphaticaly +does not excuse individual culpability this is nevertheless secondary. + +No matter what the promises made by a racist, supremacist party upon +election those promises will be broken as soon as circumstances permit. +If this requires the replacement of the leaders that originally made +the pledges, that will occur. Hatred is a supreme justifier. It also creates +a dynamic of its own when those in government allow it reign. For many +in government politics is a method of providing a justification for +their own existence through a demonstration of their importance. A +rhetoric of hatred inevitably develops the question of action since the +continued existence of an object of hatred is inevitably a reminder of the +essential impotence of the politician. Thus we have the US raid on Tripoli +which has little purpose beyond a demonstration of power. It is important +to realise that there is no quantum jump between the politics of the right +and those of the extreeme right but a progression from the reinforcement +of popular predjudice to action being taken on the basis of that predjudice. +In the same way the extreeme left trace their route to despotism through +their assertion of the subjugation of the individual to ideology. + +It is important though that in attempting to understand the dynamics +of political systems that this is not used to excuse the participants. The +leaders of a nation take on a supreme moral burden but not only do +so voluntarily are required to stive to do so. Thus to take on such a +task without a fundamental examination of the logical progression of +ones set of axioms to its conclusion in itself is a moral crime. Furthermore +in taking on such a duty one is obliged to put the interest of the whole +before personal concerns, even of personal security. + +Although it was inevitable that a party such as the NAZIs, based upon hatred +and an idolisation of the symbols of power should have saught to commit +genocide it was not inevitable that they should succeeded. Each member of +the system had an ability to create a change within it that had a possibility +of changing the dynamic. Realising that the individual cannot hope to +control a system does not mean accepting that the individual cannot +affect the system. + + +Phill Hallam-Baker +Phill Hallam-Baker +",18 +1069,"Subject: Is SMARTDRV.EXE causing bad sectors on my hd? +From: jdriver@netlink.cts.com (John Driver) +Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA +Lines: 47 + + I am having something very unusual happen. First +some background on my system. I have a Mitsubishi 63 meg Hard Drive, +and am running Smartdrv (the version that comes with Windows 3.1) on +it. I rarely use Windows. I use a program called Disk Technician +Gold v1.14 to do diagnostics live time on my hard drive. It works by +having a device driver detect whenever more than one read is +necessary for a file, or if there is anything else is wrong with it, +and minor problems are fully checked out upon rebooting. My hard +drive is notorious for bad sectors. I usually end up with 8 new bad +sectors a week. + + Here's what happened: I ran a program, and DTG broke in with +an Emergency Warning and recommended I reboot. It gave me this +message twice before the program was fully loaded. I exited the program +and did just this. DTG went through its bootup process, examining +for new errors etc., and a screen popped up and said something about +sectors for a brief period of time. + + I then went back to the program, executed it again, and the +exact same error was detected. I rebooted and tried again, and the +same error happened again. So, I removed DTG from memory, and went +to the program to see if I could detect anything wrong. Sure enough +there was a number of read attempts. So I rebooted and reloaded DTG, +but removed the cache. I executed the program. No read errors, +either audible or detected by DTG. I quit the program, loaded the +cache, and ran the program again. The errors were detected. + + Ok, so the errors are there, and DTG detects but doesn't fix +them, when the cache is loaded. When the cache is not loaded there are +no errors. So, to see if the cache was interfering with any other +files, I went into xtree gold and tagged all files, and searched them +for a random string (in other words, I wanted the program to +completely read every file on my hard drive). Before I got through +the c's DTG had detected at least six errors and recommended I reboot. + + Does anybody, have any idea why Smartdrv is causing misreads on +my hard drive? Oh, there are exactly two misreads per file, and 1 in +about every 100 files are affected. + + I originally posted this message to Disk Technician Corp.'s +system, but I figured someone out in netland may know enough about +smartdrv to help me out. + +-- +INTERNET: jdriver@netlink.cts.com (John Driver) +UUCP: ...!ryptyde!netlink!jdriver +NetLink Online Communications * Public Access in San Diego, CA (619) 453-1115 +",2 +6413,"From: cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) +Subject: Re: Licensing of public key implementations +Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering +Lines: 28 +NNTP-Posting-Host: ellisun.sw.stratus.com + +In article <1993Apr4.221640.8104@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) writes: +>I guess we will have to wait for the time in the far future +>when everyone uses such good crypto that the NSA has no job. Then the +>agency will be disbanded and its files opened after the approprate +>historical delay. ;) + +You've overlooked a fundamental Truth: + + both headcount and budget of any government agency are + monotonic increasing functions. + +Given that Truth, you need to look for what the agency can do to occupy +all those people and spend all that money when crypto is unbreakable. + +Perhaps they could talk the world's telephone companies into making equipment +they could break into and tap. + +Maybe they could convince people that distributed computing was a good idea +so that even the internal state of a process would be available for access +by wiretapping. + +Maybe.... + +-- + - <> + - Carl Ellison cme@sw.stratus.com + - Stratus Computer Inc. M3-2-BKW TEL: (508)460-2783 + - 55 Fairbanks Boulevard ; Marlborough MA 01752-1298 FAX: (508)624-7488 +",11 +7898,"From: sbrenner@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (scott.d.brenner) +Subject: What's the Difference Between an M.D. and a D.O.? +Organization: AT&T +Distribution: usa +Lines: 30 + +My wife and I are in the process of selecting a pediatrician for our +first child (due June 15th). We interviewed a young doctor last week +and were very impressed with her. However, I discovered that she is +actually not an Medical Doctor (M.D.) but rather a ""Doctor of +Osteopathy"" (D.O.). What's the difference? I believe the pediatrician +*I* went to for many years was a D.O. and he didn't seem different from +any other doctor I've seen over the years. + +My dictionary says that osteopathy is ""a medical therapy that emphasizes +manipulative techniques for correcting somatic abnormalities thought +to cause disease and inhibit recovery."" + +Jeez, this sounds like chiropractic. I remember getting shots and +medicine from *my* pediatrician D.O., and don't remember any +""manipulative techniques"". Perhaps someone could enlighten me as to +the real, practical difference between an M.D. and a D.O. Also, I'm +interesting in hearing any opinions on choosing a pediatrician who +follows one or the other medical philosophy. + +Readers of sci.med: Please respond directly to sbrenner@attmail.com; +I do not read this group regularly and probably won't see your response +if you just post it here. Sorry for the cross-posting, but I'm hoping +there's some expertise here. + +a T d H v A a N n K c S e + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +Scott D. Brenner AT&T Consumer Communications Services +sbrenner@attmail.com Basking Ridge, New Jersey +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +",13 +3018,"From: gerard@dps.co.UK (Gerard O'Driscoll) +Subject: Re: XWindows always opaque +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 16 +NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu +To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu + + +hess@swt1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: + +>> I wonder if it is possible for a parent window to paint over the area of +>> its childs. If it is not, then how could it be possible to implement a +>> rubberband across multiple xwindows to select the objects that are +>> displayed one in each window? + +Use a GC with the subwindow_mode attribute set to IncludeInferiors. The +default is ClipByChildren. However, beware if any of the children are of +a different depth to the parent; the semantics of this are undefined by the +protocol. + + Gerard O'Driscoll (gerard.odriscoll@dps.co.uk) + Du Pont Pixel Systems Ltd. + +",5 +1700,"From: asyvan@solace.hsh.se (Jens Ejvinson) +Subject: Re: Is 980-1MB/sec. HD transfer slow for 486DX-50 EISA with UltraStor24F +Keywords: SCSI +Organization: Solace Computer Club, Sundsvall, Sweden +Lines: 44 + +In <1993Apr6.095127.12261@odin.diku.dk> phantom@diku.dk (Haktan Bulut) writes: + +>Hi. I recently switched my old Amiga 500 with a 486DX-50. My computer +>configuration is : + +>486DX-50 Mhz. 8/256 kB EISA (Micronics Motherboard ASIC EISA 50Mhz) +>16MB Ram +>ST3283N 248 MB Harddisk, SCSI +>UltraStor24F EISA Cache Controller + +>When I use Norton6.0 Harddisk benchmark, I get a Harddisk data transfer +>about 980 kb/sec. and sometimes 1MB/sec. Is that good ? I thought +>that with EISA I could get about 2MB/sec. +>Somewhere in the manual for my harddisk I have read, that some host +>adapters need to perform a low-level format to optimize the harddisk +>performance in that system, do I need that ? +>A guy I know, gets a HD transfer about 1.2MB/sec, and he has an ST3283A and +>a ISA 486DX-50, how can a ISA with the same system be faster ? + +>Is there anything that I can do to get a speedier harddisk ? + + +1. Dont rely on benchmarks. They often show incorrect due to different + TSR programs. + +2. SCSI often needs a driver to get the speed from the card. + +3. Make sure the card is operating in synchronus mode which is 2x faster. + +4. You can disable disconnect and get some kB/s but just to loose the mouse + or other int`s when diskaccesing. + +(I get 2.3MB/s with DX50 LB and SCSI LB and Maxtor LXT340SY - Coretest) +(I get 1.3MB/s - Sysinfo) + +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- +Jens Ejvinson ------------------------------ +Nackstavagen 32C VII Internet: Asyvan@Solace.hsh.se +S-853 52 Sundsvall ------------------------------ +SWEDEN +Tel: +46-(0)60-117775 - ACT Sweden - +Fax: Nope! Advanced Computer Technology +BBS: Not yet... +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- +",3 +7159,"From: sknapp@iastate.edu (Steven M. Knapp) +Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? +Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA +Lines: 16 + +In article oxenreid@chaos.cs.umn.edu () writes: +>In <1993Apr06.173031.9793@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> ragee@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Randy Agee) writes: +> +>>So, the questions are - + +>> Are any brands ""quieter"" than others? + +Yes some radar detectors are less detectable by radar detector +detectors. ;-) + +Look in Car and Driver (last 6 months should do), they had a big +review of the ""better"" detectors, and stealth was a factor. +________________________________________________________________________ +Steven M. Knapp Computer Engineering Student +sknapp@iastate.edu President Cyclone Amateur Radio Club +Iowa State University; Ames, IA; USA Durham Center Operations Staff +",12 +10128,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: The religious persecution, cultural oppression and economical... +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +Lines: 161 + +In article <1993Apr21.202728.29375@news.uiowa.edu> mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon) writes: + +>You may not be afraid of anything but you act as if you are. + +I always like your kind of odds. The Greek governments must be held +to account for the sub-human conditions of the Turkish minority living +in the Western Thrace under the brutal Greek domination. The religious +persecution, cultural oppression and economical ex-communication applied +to the Turkish population in that area are the dimensions of the human +rights abuse widespread in Greece. + +""Greece's Housing Policies Worry Western Thrace Turks"" + +...Newly built houses belonging to members of the minority +community in Dedeagac province, had, he said, been destroyed +by Evros province public works department on Dec. 4. + +Sungar added that they had received harsh treatment by the +security forces during the demolition. + +""This is not the first demolition in Dedeagac province; more +than 40 houses were destroyed there between 1979-1984 and +members of that minority community were made homeless,"" he +continued. + +""Greece Government Rail-Roads Two Turkish Ethnic Deputies"" + +While World Human Rights Organizations Scream, Greeks +Persistently Work on Removing the Parliamentary Immunity +of Dr. Sadik Ahmet and Mr. Ahmet Faikoglu. + +In his 65-page confession, Salman Demirok, a former chief of PKK +operations in Hakkari confessed that high-level relations between +PKK, Greece and Greek Cypriot administration existed. + +According to Demirok, Greek Cypriot administration not only +gives shelter to PKK guerillas but also supplies them with +food and weapons at the temporary camps set up in its territory. +Demirok disclosed that PKK has three safe houses in South Cyprus, +used by terrorists such as Ferhat. In the camps, he added, +terrorists were trained to use various weapons including RPG's +and anti-aircraft guns which had been purchased directly from +the Greek government. Greek Cypriot government has gone to the +extent of issuing special identification cards to PKK members so +that they can travel from one region to another without being +confronted by legal obstacles. Demirok's account was confirmed +by another PKK defector, Fatih Tan, who gave himself over to +police in Hakkari after spending four years with PKK. Tan explained +that the terrorists went through a training in camps in South Cyprus, +sometimes for a period of 12 weeks or more. + + ""Torture in Greece: Hidden Reality"" + +Case 1: Kostas Andreadis and Dimitris Voglis. + +...Andreadis' head was covered with a hood and he was tortured +by falanga (beating on the soles of the feet), electric shocks, +and was threatened with being thrown out of the window. An +official medical report clearly documented this torture.... + +Case 2: Horst Bosniatzki, a West German Citizen. + +...At midnight he was taken to the beach, chains were put to his +feet and he was threatened to be thrown to the sea. He was dragged +along the beach for about a 1.5 Km while being punched on the +head and kidneys...Back on the police station, he was beaten +on the finger tips with a thin stick until one of the fingertips +split open.... + +Case 3: Torture of Dimitris Voglis. + +Case 4: Brothers Vangelis (16) and Christos Arabatzis (12), + Vasilis Papadopoulos (13), and Kostas Kiriazis (13). + +Case 5: Torture of Eight Students at Thessaloniki Police + Headquarters. + + SOURCE: The British Broadcasting Corporation, Summary of + World Broadcasting -July 6, 1987: Part 4-A: The + Middle East, ME/8612/A/1. + + ""Abu Nidal's Advisers"" Reportedly Training + ""PKK & ASALA Militants"" in Cyprus + + Nicosia, Ankara, Tel Aviv. The Israeli secret service, + Mossad, is reported to have acquired significant + information in connection with the camps set up in the + Troodos mountains in Cyprus for the training of + militants of the PKK and ASALA {Armenian Secret Army for + the Liberation of Armenia}. According to sources close + to Mossad, about 700 Kurdish, Greek Cypriot and Armenian + militants are undergoing training in the Troodos + mountains in southern Cyprus. The same sources stated + that Abu Nidal's special advisers are giving military + training to the PKK and ASALA militants in the camps. + They added that the militants leave southern Cyprus for + Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Greece and Iran after completing + their training. Mossad has established that due to the + clashes which were taking place among the terrorist + groups based in Syria, the PKK and ASALA organisations + moved to the Greek Cypriot part of Cyprus, where they + would be more comfortable. They also transferred a + number of their camps in northern Syria to the Troodos + mountains. + + Mossad revealed that the Armenian National Movement, + which is known as the MNA, has opened liaison offices in + Nicosia, Athens and Tripoli in order to meet the needs + of the camps. The offices are used to provide material + support for the Armenian camps. Meanwhile, the leader + of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, + George Habash, is reported to have ordered his men + not to participate in the operations carried out + by the PKK & ASALA, which he described as ""extreme + racist, extreme nationalist and fascist."" Reliable + sources have said that Habash believed that the recent + operations carried out by the PKK militants show that + organisation to be a band of irregulars engaged in + extreme nationalist operations. They added that he + instructed his militants to sever their links with the + PKK and avoid clashing with it. It has been established + that George Habash expelled ASALA militants from his + camp after ASALA's connections with drug trafficking + were exposed. + +Source: Alan Cowell, 'U.S. & Greece in Dispute on Terror,' The New + York Times, June 27, 1987, p. 4. + + Special to The New York Times + +ATHENS, June 26 - A dispute developed today between Athens and +Washington over United States intelligence reports saying that +Athens, for several months, conducted negotiations with the +terrorist known as Abu Nidal... + +They said the contacts were verified in what were termed hard +intelligence reports. + +Abu Nidal leads the Palestinian splinter group Al Fatah +Revolutionary Council, implicated in the 1985 airport +bombings at Rome and Vienna that contributed to the Reagan +Administration's decision to bomb Tripoli, Libya, last year. + +In Washington, State Department officials said that when +Administration officials learned about the contacts, the +State Department drafted a strongly worded demarche. The +officials also expressed unhappiness with Greece's dealings +with ASALA, the Armenian Liberation Army, which has carried +out terrorist acts against Turks.... + + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) + + +",17 +3970,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) +Subject: Star Trek (TOS) novels: 3/$8 package +Summary: Price of the Phoenix; Fate of the Phoenix; Memory Prime +Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu +Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) +Organization: PhDs In The Hall +Distribution: usa +Lines: 16 + + +Some reading from a recent interview trip ... waiting all day at +O'Hare a month ago, waiting out the storm here in New York! + + The Price of the Phoenix; + The Fate of the Phoenix; + Memory Prime + +Take the package for $8, or in trade for a good used CD ... + +gld +-- +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +Gary L. Dare +> gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! +> gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley +",6 +2497,"From: dashley@wyvern.wyvern.com (Doug Ashley) +Subject: Re: LCIII problems +Organization: wyvern.com +Lines: 25 + +Ravi Konchigeri writes: + +>About hard drive companies: the original 160 meg drive that was bad (bad +>sector or something) was an IBM. The new one is a Quantum. Is the LCIII +>supposed to be shipped with IBMs? Is there a quality difference? + +Officially, no. From experience (yours now included!), yes. Quantums seem to +be the most problem-free brand on the Mac. + +>Second, about hard drive position. I've put the LCIII on its side and +>the new 160 HD has had no problems at all. I've even switched back and +>forth between horizontal and vertical and there are no problems. As far +>as I'm concerned I don't believe HD position is important for drives up +>to 160 meg, in any computer. Don't know about CD-ROM, though. + +It should not matter for the hard drive or the Mac. Well, as long as it +doesn't fall over. ;) + + +Doug +-- +This Signature Under Construction +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- +Wyvern Technologies | Tidewater's Premier Online Information System + | (804) 627-1818, login guest, password guest to register +",4 +3254,"From: lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo) +Subject: Re: Title for XTerm +Reply-To: lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo) +Organization: Tekelec Inc., Raleigh NC +Lines: 65 + +In a prior article naoumov@physics.unc.edu (Sergei Naoumov) writes: + + > Hey guys! + > I work on many stations and would like this name and current logname + > to be in a title of Xterm when it's open and a machine name only + > when it's closed. In other words, I want $HOST and $LOGNAME to appear + > as a title of opened XTerm and $HOST when XTerm is closed. + > How can I do it? + +[Apologies if I'm answering something already answered in the FAQ. +Our news feed has been losing a lot of articles lately - so I haven't +seen the FAQ lately to check.] + + +Two ways: + + 1) When you start the xterm, you can use command line options: + -n ICON_NAME To set the icon label + -T WINDOW_TITLE To set the window title + -title WINDOW_TITLE Equivalent to -T WINDOW_TITLE + + 2) You can use escape sequences to change things on the fly: + + The basic escape sequence is: + ESC ]

; BEL + + where ESC and BEL are the ASCII ESCAPE and BELL characters, +

is an ASCII decimal digit -- '2', '1', or '0', depending + on whether you are trying to set the window or icon title, + or both, and is your desired label string. + + Hence, this command will set the window & icon title: + echo ""\033]0;YOUR_TITLE_GOES_HERE\007\c"" + + To set just the icon title: + echo ""\033]1;YOUR_TITLE_GOES_HERE\007\c"" + + To set just the window title: + echo ""\033]2;YOUR_TITLE_GOES_HERE\007\c"" + + Of course, you may have to fiddle with exact syntax, + depending on how the echo command works on your system + and what shell you are using (I've shown System-V semantics + under Bourne or Korn shells). + + [Hint for Sun OS users: use /usr/5bin/echo instead of + /bin/echo or Csh's built-in echo. Otherwise you'll have + to embed literal ESC and BEL characters in the string + instead of using convenient octal sequences.] + + If you want your titlebar updated continously, say to show + your current directory, hostname, or somesuch, then you'll + have to see if you can coerce your shell into spitting out + the appropriate escape sequences when it prompts for commands. + Sometimes you can just put the appropriate escape sequence + in the prompt string itself, sometimes not ... + + ++-------------------------------------------------------+------- /// -----+ +| Mark Lanzo KD4QLZ lanzo@tekelec.com 919-460-5576 | \\\/// | ++-------------------------------------------------------+---- \XX/ -------+ + + + + +",5 +9053,"From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack) +Subject: Re: Questioning Authority +Lines: 60 + +Despite my trendy, liberal, feminist tendencies and the fact +that I basically agree with what you are saying I will rebut: + +(Dr Nancy's Sweetie) writes: +> (Chris Mussack) writes: +> > For all those people who insist I question authority: Why? +> ... +> Authorities sometimes tell people to do evil things. People who ""just +> follow orders"" have tortured and killed others in very large numbers, +> and protest their innocence afterwards. + +The basic question here is ""how do I know what I am supposed to do?"" +This is true in every situation that comes up. Some people do not +think about it at all and merely follow their impulses. I claim +that is just as dangerous as ""following authority"". I could site +sexually transmitted diseases, drug abuse, all manner of criminal +activity, the savings and loan scandal, car accidents, eggs thrown +at my house, all are examples of people not ""following authority"". +I could easily argue that in the evil examples you gave the +problem was a leader not following _his_ authority and doing what +he wanted. Of course, where is the top of the chain? Therein lies +our search. + +> When your authority starts telling you to do things, you should ask +> questions. Except for situations of pressing need (""I said shut the +> hatch because the submarine is filling with water!""), any reasonable +> authority should be able to give at least some justification that you +> can understand. + +I don't think it's as simple as you are claiming. ""Pressing need"" is +ambiguous. Should I recycle or not? + +Realize that I have four kids who, despite being very precocious +of course, are very tiring with their constant lack of understanding +the tremendous knowledge I wish to impart to them. + +> Just be sure to listen when authority answers. + +Ahh! An ironic ending. + +The irony I was implying in my initial pithy retort to the bumper +sticker cliche ""Question Authority"" was that I was questioning +the authority of the person telling me to question authority. +It seems there is a certain segment of society that finds meaning +only in being different, only in rebelling, forsaking everything +for the sake of freedom. I question their integrity and fortitude. +There is another freedom that comes from doing a task correctly. +Different people are at different levels of development in different +areas. Part of the challenge of life is to find the right authorities +to follow, we can't know everything about everything. Often +when learning a new skill or subject I will follow the teacher, +perhaps blindly. Only when I have learned enough to ask appropriate +questions should I question him, only when I have developed +my skills enough should I challenge him. Once again, how do I know +when I get to those stages? + +If you have to be told to question authority, perhaps you shouldn't. + +Chris Mussack +(A good comedian should never have to explain his jokes.) +",15 +6234,"From: vergolin@haydn.lbs.msu.edu (David Vergolini) +Subject: Probert and Wendall +Organization: Michigan State University +Lines: 6 +NNTP-Posting-Host: haydn.lbs.msu.edu +Summary: I believe that game two of the DEt/Tor series will be rougher +Keywords: Fight will break out + + Game two of the Detroit - Toronto series will be a rougher game. I believe +that Clark will be coming out hitting on all cylindars. I believe that Probert +will take exception to this and a fight between Clark and Probert will result. + I know this sounds kind of ridiculous, but I know game two Toronto will come +out hitting. + Any takers on this issue? +",10 +7181,"From: webb@itu1 (90-29265 Webber AH) +Subject: Re: Adcom cheap products? +Article-I.D.: hippo.1993Apr16.105738.20864 +Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa +Lines: 44 +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +: >I want to upgrade my system and was thinking of buying Adcom seperates. +: >I have heard from alot of people, though, that Adcom sounds great but +: >that the components are made cheaply and therefore won't last very long. +: >The time estimates I've heard are like only 3 or 4 years. Is this true? + +I own the Adcom 60W power amp. As far as I'm concerned, there's no + amp which can touch it at the price range. +The build quality is very impressive and is far superior to other + amps in the price range. The whole amplifier is extremely solid + with massive heat sinks and very solid casing. +If you open the amp up, there are only very good quality components + in and the amp seems to be designed extremely well. Perfect + symmetry for both channels and TWO transformers - one for each + channel. The binding posts on the back of the amplifier are + virtually the same as those on the Classe model 70 ie. very good. + +I was also sceptical about the amps being built in the far-east + or where-ever. But if you look in the amp and see what components + they use and how it was designed, you can easily see why the + amplifiers sound so brilliant. +I cannot see why people say the amplifier won't last - not with + those quality components inside. Sure the amp runs very fairly + hot - but that's how you get an amp to sound incredibly good. + +My last point, I recently auditioned the Adcom preamp something like + the 545 or something. It was two years old and it still sounded + like new. + +If you build an amplifier decently, like the Adcom's, they will + sound brilliant and last a long time - period. + +Just my thoughts, but then - I do own one of Adcom's amps. + +-- +*********************************************************************** +** Alan Webber ** +** webb@itu1.sun.ac.za ** +** webb@itu2.sun.ac.za ** +** ** +** The path you tread is narrow and the drop is sheer and very high ** +** The ravens all are watching from a vantage point near by ** +** Apprehension creeping like a choo-train up your spine ** +** Will the tightrope reach the end; will the final couplet rhyme ** +*********************************************************************** +",12 +326,"From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) +Subject: Re: ""Cruel"" (was Re: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: +> +>But we were discussing it in relation to the death penalty. And, the +>Constitution need not define each of the words within. Anyone who doesn't +>know what cruel is can look in the dictionary (and we did). +> + + Or, with no dictionary available, they could gain first hand + knowledge by suffering through one of your posts. + + +/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ + +Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM + +They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, +and sank Manhattan out at sea. + +^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + +",0 +8246,"From: clarke@acme.ucf.edu (Thomas Clarke) +Subject: Re: pushing the envelope +Organization: University of Central Florida +Distribution: na +Lines: 18 + +> In <1993Apr3.233154.7045@Princeton.EDU> lije@cognito.Princeton.EDU (Elijah +Millgram) writes: +> +> +> A friend of mine and I were wondering where the expression ""pushing +> the envelope"" comes from. Anyone out there know? +> +Everbody has been defining envelope. +Why was the world ""envelope"" chosen, rather than say ""shell"", +or ""boundary"". In analogy with the envelopes of airships perhaps? + +Actually, ""shell"" might be good. Push the shell too hard and +it (the aircraft?) breaks. +-- +Thomas Clarke +Institute for Simulation and Training, University of Central FL +12424 Research Parkway, Suite 300, Orlando, FL 32826 +(407)658-5030, FAX: (407)658-5059, clarke@acme.ucf.edu +",14 +5491,"From: kkeach@pomona.claremont.edu +Subject: three homer games and Padres notes +Reply-To: kkeach@pomona.claremont.edu +Organization: Pomona College +Lines: 36 + + To all those out there wondering about who holds the record for three +homer games ina career, the answer is Johnny Mize in his career with the +Cards and the Yanks. He hit three 6 times. I am almost sure about this. In +case anyone is wondering, the record for two homer games is held by Babe +Ruth and is 72. Mize's record may not last for much longer because of Juan +Gonzalez. He has at least three games with three and maybe 4. I know that +he had at least two last year and one as a rookie. I don't have any record +books at college for me to check on though. Please let me know, okay, if I +am wrong. + Onto the Padres. Is there anyone out there who follows them?- especial-ly those with access to local news? I don't here anything in Los Angeles and I +can't get McPaper consistently around here. +comment: It looks as though San Diego has gotten the better of the two deals +that brought Bell and Plantier to the Padres. It has also forced the team to use Darrell Shermann. Of course, Plantier could get injured again or he could +hit with the power of 91 but with a lower average. Bell always could finish +with .240 and 15-18 hrs-essentially Jerald Clark's numbers. +leadoff comment: Craig Shipley?????? I get on base 29% of the time if I'm +lucky at leadoff? Hell, of the usual starters, use Gwynn. He's got 4 steals +already. Is Shipley starting because of an injury to Stillwell, though? I +haven't seen Stillwell's name in any box scores. Anyway unless you are going +to use Shermann at leadoff then use Gwynn. He at lesat gets on base and this +year is stealing bases. +Sheffield comment: Though the season is early and stats mean nothing. +Witness Phillips batting .500+ currently. But does Sheffield have an injury, +or anythingelse wrong with him. I just don't hear anything. +Andy Benes: Is he pitching like he did in the second half of '91? or is +this a flash of promise that he throws out evrey now and then? Has anyone +seen him pitch the two good games? +score for today, Sunday april 18: Padres 10, St Louis 6. Padres sweep the +Cardinals as Gwynn goes 5 for 5 with a homer. Sheffield and Tueful also homer +in a winning cause. + Thanks for listening-reading + any comments???? + + Kelly Keach + kkeach@pomona.claremont.edu + +",9 +398,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) +Subject: Re: islamic authority over women +Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu +Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] +Lines: 8 + +Keith M. Ryan (kmr4@po.CWRU.edu) wrote: + +: Nice cop out bill. + +I'm sure you're right, but I have no idea to what you refer. Would you +mind explaining how I copped out? + +Bill +",0 +6752,"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) +Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) +Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories +Lines: 28 + +In article <1993Apr20.150531.2059@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) writes: +> Now why is that? I doubt there is a trapdoor in Skipjack. (But we will +> never know). And I doubt the NSA would promote a mass market chip they +> couldn't compromise. Ergo, NSA is now capable of compromising (probably +> with brute force keysearch) engines of the complexity of Skipjack. Look +> at the specs. Why, I bet they have thousands of little chips chugging +> away in their crypto busters... Maybe even tens of thousands. Complexity? +> Not much more than a 3090. How many such machines will fit into Fort Meade? + +> I think PGP2.3 should have 256 bit IDEA keys... + +Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack +has 2^80 possible keys. Let's assume a brute-force engine like that +hypothesized for DES: 1 microsecond per trial, 1 million chips. That's +10^12 trials per second, or about 38,000 years for 2^80 trials. Well, +maybe they can get chips running at one trial per nanosecond, and build +a machine with 10 million chips. Sure -- only 3.8 years for each solution. + +IDEA uses 128-bit keys. Shall I bother doing the calculations for you? +Hint: multiply 3.8 years by 2^(128-80). And you can't do IDEA at that +speed; key setup takes much too long. I wouldn't be surprised if that +were the case for Skipjack, too, though there's no way of knowing just +yet. DES used only xor because that's what was feasible with mid-70's +technology. Modern chips can do a lot more. + +NSA may or may not know how to crack Skipjack and IDEA (I doubt it for +the former; I have no idea for the latter, though it does seem to be a +strong cryptosystem). But it ain't gonna be by exhaustive search. +",11 +9437,"From: cathy@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Cathy Smith) +Subject: Letter to a Liberal Colleague -- L. Neil Smith +Distribution: usa +Nntp-Posting-Host: blanca.lance.colostate.edu +Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 +Lines: 147 + +Posted by Cathy Smith for L. Neil Smith + + LETTER TO A LIBERAL COLLEAGUE + +[AUTHOR'S NOTE: ""Adrian"" -- name changed to protect the guilty -- +and the author are science fiction novelists who once worked with +the same editor at a famous New York publishing house.] + +Dear Adrian: + +I'm way behind schedule on my current book again, so this reply to +your note -- criticizing the recent magazine interview I gave and +generally attacking gun ownership -- will necessarily consist +mostly of assertions you're free to believe (or not) I can back +with evidence and logic I've neither time nor energy to present +now. I've written fully on this topic before and will again in the +future. When I do, I'll make sure you get copies. + +There are many arguments I might make, from the futility and danger +of delegating self-defense to the police (see Don Kates in the Jan. +10, 1985 WALL STREET JOURNAL) to the real effect of prohibition, +shifting consumers from newly-outlawed handguns or semiautomatic +rifles to items like sawed-off shotguns or homemade bombs, but I'll +limit myself here to commenting on the newspaper clipping you sent +with your note. + +First, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a +natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and +Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process +nor to arguments grounded in social utility. + +Second, publication of some latter-day ""scientific study"" doesn't +alter the fact that the gun prohibitionists I discussed in my +interview -- annoying you so much in the process -- were lying. + +Third, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a +natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and +Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process +nor to arguments grounded in social utility. + +Fourth, as often happens with these things, the ""study"" doesn't +support the gun prohibitionists' original numerical contentions +anyway, but simply adds a new layer of spurious claims to an older +body of lies, omissions, and distortions. + +Fifth, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a +natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and +Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process +nor to arguments grounded in social utility. + +Sixth, the fact that gun prohibitionists have been caught lying on +countless occasions (Carl Bakal, author of NO RIGHT TO KEEP AND +BEAR ARMS, even confessed to it publicly) makes the value of this +present ""study"" dubious, to say the least. + +Seventh, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is +a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, +and Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic +process nor to arguments grounded in social utility. + +Eighth, given your own lifelong service as a federal bureaucrat +(not to mention the cynical sophistication of your fiction), you +should be better aware than most people how ""progress"" -- in +designing ""studies"" to prove whatever you want -- outstrips our +ability to collect meaningful data. A case in point we might agree +on is the fact that it took another kind of prohibitionist 20 or 30 +years to create ""studies"" ""proving"" that pornography causes crime. +More naive (and probably more honest) efforts in the 50s and 60s +clearly indicate the contrary. + +Ninth, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a +natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and +Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process +nor to arguments grounded in social utility. + +Tenth, another reason to doubt all such ""studies"" is that human +behavior (as the Austrian School of economics demonstrates) is far +too complex and unpredictable to be meaningfully quantified. The +attempt to do so -- and then create public policy based on the +resulting pseudo-information -- is wrecking our civilization. + +Eleventh, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is +a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, +and Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic +process nor to arguments grounded in social utility. + +Twelfth, the ""study"" is also worthless because it incorporates +figures for suicide, which is not necessarily a tragedy but +basically another individual right, sometimes with ancillary social +benefits. If anything, perhaps suicide INTERVENTION should be a +criminal offense. + +Thirteenth and finally, the National Rifle Association officials +quoted in the article, whatever their shortcomings (and they are +many), are correct in this instance: the ""study"" is meaningless +because the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a +natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and +Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process +nor to arguments grounded in social utility. + +And because of that, Adrian, even if the ""study"" were valid, it +wouldn't deter me from a lifelong personal objective of seeing that +anyone can own any weapon he or she prefers and carry it however, +whenever, and wherever he or she desires without asking anybody's +permission. In this I'm ably assisted by gun prohibitionists +themselves, whose yawping invariably moves previously unarmed +people to go out and buy their first gun ""while they still can"". +Before the '68 Gun Control Act, most of the ""shooting fraternity"" +viewed handguns (incorrectly, as it turned out) as inaccurate, +ineffective toys. There probably weren't six million of them in +the whole country. Now, thanks to Kennedy, Metzenbaum, the Bradys, +and their ilk -- AMERICA'S GREATEST SPORTING GOODS SALES TEAM -- we +probably manufacture at least that many every year. + +The fascinating datum is that Handgun Control, et al. are perfectly +aware of this -- so I guess you'll have to ask them yourself what +their real motives are. + +Look: gun-making isn't an arcane or difficult art (and by the way, +it's easier to make a fully automatic weapon than a semiautomatic; +the fact that I can still obtain my own weapon of preference, the +self-loading pistol, is the only thing which keeps me from pursuing +this further). Even if it were difficult, there are already a +quarter billion firearms in America, with an estimated ""half life"" +of 1000 years -- possibly more for stainless steel. Guns are gonna +be around a long time, Adrian, whether you like it or not. + +As for me, to paraphrase Elmer Keith, regardless of what the law +provides or any court decides, I'm always going to be armed. And I +will always work to see that others are, as well. The bad news is +that there are thousands more -- perhaps even hundreds of thousands +-- where I come from. We can't be stopped by passing laws, we can +only be forced to arm ourselves and others secretly and -- given +both the practical and alleged differences between full automatics +and semiautomatics -- perhaps more efficiently. + +So what's the point? + +L. Neil Smith +Author: THE PROBABILITY BROACH, THE CRYSTAL EMPIRE, HENRY MARTYN, +and (forthcoming) PALLAS +LEVER ACTION BBS (303) 493-6674, FIDOnet: 1:306/31.4 +Libertarian Second Amendment Caucus +NRA Life Member + +My opinions are, of course, my own. + +",16 +7729,"From: kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) +Subject: Re: Emphysema question +Organization: University of Pittsburgh +Lines: 14 + +In article <1993Apr15.180621.29465@radford.vak12ed.edu> mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu (Melissa N. Matusevich) writes: +:Thanks for all your assistance. I'll see if he can try a +:different brand of patches, although he's tried two brands +:already. Are there more than two? + +The brands I can come up with off the top of my head are Nicotrol, +Nicoderm and Habitrol. There may be a fourth as well. + + +-- +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= += Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh = += General Internal Medicine | ""...dammit, not a programmer!"" = +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +",13 +3000,"From: welch@xcf.Berkeley.EDU (Sean N. Welch) +Subject: Re: Trouble compiling X11R5 on SunOS_4.1.3 +Organization: Experimental Computing Facility, U.C. Berkeley +Lines: 35 +NNTP-Posting-Host: xcf.berkeley.edu + +In article schneck@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Bernhard Schneck) writes: +>nemo@aguirre.dia.fi.upm.es (Francisco J. Ballesteros) writes: +> +>>> The problem occurs during the initial ""make World"". When +>>> it gets up to compiling the standard X clients, it can't seem to find +>>> some of the libraries. Right now we highly suspect the program ""ld"" +>>> which was updated for 4_1_3. +>>> +> +>> Yip, we had the same problem; the only fix we found was to link static +>>some of the clients, ( btw, we used cc). :-(. +> +>Or use a SunOS 4.1.1 ld. + +Or read fixes 9, 10, and 11 to the MIT distribution. This is a known +problem - just apply those fixes and set SunPost411FCSLd to YES and +OSTeenyVersion in mit/config/sun.cf to 3. + +In fix-09: +|If you are running SunOS 4.1.1 and you apply Sun's ld patch 100170-6, +|then you will need to edit your site.def and add this line to the +|AfterVendorCF section: +| +|#define SunPost411FCSLd YES + +In fix-10: +|If you are running SunOS 4.1.2, change OSTeenyVersion in mit/config/sun.cf to +|have a value of 2. + +In fix-11: +|Brief notes on what this patch fixes: +| +|config: make on SunOS 4.1.2 fails unless tree previously built in + +Sean Welch +",5 +11017,"From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) +Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is oxymoronic? +Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. +Lines: 32 +X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 + +forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes: +> From article <1qcq3f$r05@fido.asd.sgi.com>, by livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com +> (Jon Livesey): +> > If there is a Western ethic against infanticide, why +> > are so many children dying all over the world? +> +> The majority of the world isn't ""Western"". + +Superficially a good answer, but it isn't that simple. An awful lot of the +starvation and poverty in the world is directly caused by the economic +policies of the Western countries, as well as by the diet of the typical +Westerner. For instance, some third-world countries with terrible +malnutrition problems export all the soya they can produce -- so that it can +be fed to cattle in the US, to make tender juicy steaks and burgers. They +have to do this to get money to pay the interest on the crippling bank loans +we encouraged them to take out. Fund-raising for Ethiopia is a truly bizarre +idea; instead, we ought to stop bleeding them for every penny they've got. + +Perhaps it's more accurate to say that there's a Western ethic against +Western infanticide. All the evidence suggests that so long as the children +are dying in the Third World, we couldn't give a shit. And that goes for the +supposed ""Pro-Life"" movement, too. They could save far more lives by +fighting against Third World debt than they will by fighting against +abortion. Hell, if they're only interested in fetuses, they could save more +of those by fighting for human rights in China. + +And besides, Suzanne's answer implies that non-Western countries lack this +ethic against infanticide. Apart from China, with its policy of mandatory +forced abortion in Tibet, I don't believe this to be the case. + + +mathew +",19 +5095,"From: bss2p@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Brent S. Stone) +Subject: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist (Ditto) +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 21 + +In article blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes: +> + + + I'm thinking about becoming a bike owner this year +w/o any bike experience thus far. I figure that getting a +decent used bike for under $1K the thing would pay for itself +while I'm at grad school (car permits are $$$ where I'm going +and who want's to ride a bus). I'm looking for advice +on a first bike - best models/years. I'm NOT looking for +an old loud roaring thing that sounds like a monster. The +quit whirring of newer engines is more to my liking. + +Apprec any advice. + +Thanks, + +BS + + + +",8 +4823,"From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) +Subject: Re: Safe driving prcatices... +Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office +Lines: 32 + +In article <5028@cvbnetPrime.COM>, +rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) writes: + +|> Never dilly-dally in that rear 1/4 of either side of a cage - when you pass +|> make it as POSITIVE as possible and if you can't pass fully, at least make +|> sure that if you attempt it you can make the driver aware of you by at least +|> getting into his area of vision. + +This reads a lot like the philosophies of Musashi, +in the Book of Five Rings. Much of the section on +the long sword is that of being strong and decisive. + +Hmmm. The more things change.... + +|> Ride with four eyes... + +What an awfull thing to call your pillion! + +|> Rich + +|> ""Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect +|> us from the evil men do in the name of good"" + +Power corrupts. Check out the explosion that the +cryptography policy from the WhiteHouse Friday +has caused.... + +--- +Curt Howland ""Ace"" DoD#0663 EFF#569 +howland@nsipo.nasa.gov '82 V45 Sabre + Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards, + for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light. +",8 +5029,"From: fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields) +Subject: Question???? +Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science +Lines: 8 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu + +This is probably a stupid question but as I am new to the motorcycle scene +I don't really know anything about it. What is DoD? + + Thanks, + + Jonathan D. Fields + fields@cis.ohio-state.edu + +",8 +87,"From: kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) +Subject: Re: Concerning God's Morality (long) +Organization: University of Oulu, Finland +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] +Lines: 215 + +This kind of argument cries for a comment... + +jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com wrote: +: In article <1993Apr3.095220.24632@leland.Stanford.EDU>, galahad@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Compton) writes: + +Jim, you originally wrote: + +: >>...God did not create +: >>disease nor is He responsible for the maladies of newborns. +: > +: >>What God did create was life according to a protein code which is +: >>mutable and can evolve. Without delving into a deep discussion of +: >>creationism vs evolutionism, God created the original genetic code +: >>perfect and without flaw. +: > ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~ + +Do you have any evidence for this? If the code was once perfect, and +has degraded ever since, we _should_ have some evidence in favour +of this statement, shouldn't we? + +Perhaps the biggest ""imperfection"" of the code is that it is full +of non-coding regions, introns, which are so called because they +intervene with the coding regions (exons). An impressive amount of +evidence suggests that introns are of very ancient origin; it is +likely that early exons represented early protein domains. + +Is the number of introns decreasing or increasing? It appears that +intron loss can occur, and species with common ancestry usually +have quite similar exon-intron structure in their genes. + +On the other hand, the possibility that introns have been inserted +later, presents several logical difficulties. Introns are removed +by a splicing mechanism - this would have to be present, but unused, +if introns are inserted. Moreover, intron insertion would have +required _precise_ targeting - random insertion would not be tolerated, +since sequences for intron removal (self-splicing of mRNA) are +conserved. Besides, transposition of a sequence usually leaves a +trace - long terminal repeats and target - site duplications, and +these are not found in or near intron sequences. + +I seriously recommend reading textbooks on molecular biology and +genetics before posting ""theological arguments"" like this. +Try Watson's Molecular Biology of the Gene or Darnell, Lodish +& Baltimore's Molecular Biology of the Cell for starters. + +: Remember, the question was posed in a theological context (Why does +: God cause disease in newborns?), and my answer is likewise from a +: theological perspective -- my own. It is no less valid than a purely +: scientific perspective, just different. + +Scientific perspective is supported by the evidence, whereas +theological perspectives often fail to fulfil this criterion. + +: I think you misread my meaning. I said God made the genetic code perfect, +: but that doesn't mean it's perfect now. It has certainly evolved since. + +For the worse? Would you please cite a few references that support +your assertion? Your assertion is less valid than the scientific +perspective, unless you support it by some evidence. + +In fact, it has been claimed that parasites and diseases are perhaps +more important than we've thought - for instance, sex might +have evolved as defence against parasites. (This view is supported by +computer simulations of evolution, eg Tierra.) + +: Perhaps. I thought it was higher energy rays like X-rays, gamma +: rays, and cosmic rays that caused most of the damage. + +In fact, it is thermal energy that does most of the damage, although +it is usually mild and easily fixed by enzymatic action. + +: Actually, neither of us ""knows"" what the atmosphere was like at the +: time when God created life. According to my recollection, most +: biologists do not claim that life began 4 billion years ago -- after +: all, that would only be a half billion years or so after the earth +: was created. It would still be too primitive to support life. I +: seem to remember a figure more like 2.5 to 3 billion years ago for +: the origination of life on earth. Anyone with a better estimate? + +I'd replace ""created"" with ""formed"", since there is no need to +invoke any creator if the Earth can be formed without one. +Most recent estimates of the age of the Earth range between 4.6 - 4.8 +billion years, and earliest signs of life (not true fossils, but +organic, stromatolite-like layers) date back to 3.5 billion years. +This would leave more than billion years for the first cells to +evolve. + +I'm sorry I can't give any references, this is based on the course +on evolutionary biochemistry I attended here. + +: >>dominion, it was no great feat for Satan to genetically engineer +: >>diseases, both bacterial/viral and genetic. Although the forces of +: >>natural selection tend to improve the survivability of species, the +: >>degeneration of the genetic code tends to more than offset this. + +Again, do you _want_ this be true, or do you have any evidence for +this supposed ""degeneration""? + +I can understand Scott's reaction: + +: > Excuse me, but this is so far-fetched that I know you must be +: > jesting. Do you know what pathogens are? Do you know what +: > Point Mutations are? Do you know that EVERYTHING CAN COME +: > ABOUT SPONTANEOUSLY?!!!!! +: +: In response to your last statement, no, and neither do you. +: You may very well believe that and accept it as fact, but you +: cannot *know* that. + +I hope you don't forget this: We have _evidence_ that suggests +everything can come about spontaneously. Do you have evidence against +this conclusion? In science, one does not have to _believe_ in +anything. It is a healthy sign to doubt and disbelieve. But the +right path to walk is to take a look at the evidence if you do so, +and not to present one's own conclusions prior to this. + +Theology does not use this method. Therefore, I seriously doubt +it could ever come to right conclusions. + +: >>Human DNA, being more ""complex"", tends to accumulate errors adversely +: >>affecting our well-being and ability to fight off disease, while the +: >>simpler DNA of bacteria and viruses tend to become more efficient in +: >>causing infection and disease. It is a bad combination. Hence +: >>we have newborns that suffer from genetic, viral, and bacterial +: >>diseases/disorders. + +You are supposing a purpose, not a valid move. Bacteria and viruses +do not exist to cause disease. They are just another manifests of +a general principle of evolution - only replication saves replicators +from degradiation. We are just an efficient method for our DNA to +survive and replicate. The less efficient methods didn't make it +to the present. + +And for the last time. Please present some evidence for your claim that +human DNA is degrading through evolutionary processes. Some people have +claimed that the opposite is true - we have suppressed our selection, +and thus are bound to degrade. I haven't seen much evidence for either +claim. + +: But then I ask, So? Where is this relevant to my discussion in +: answering John's question of why? Why are there genetic diseases, +: and why are there so many bacterial and viral diseases which require +: babies to develop antibodies. Is it God's fault? (the original +: question) -- I say no, it is not. + +Of course, nothing ""evil"" is god's fault. But your explanation does +not work, it fails miserably. + +: You may be right. But the fact is that you don't know that +: Satan is not responsible, and neither do I. +: +: Suppose that a powerful, evil being like Satan exists. Would it +: be inconceivable that he might be responsible for many of the ills +: that affect mankind? I don't think so. + +He could have done a much better Job. (Pun intended.) The problem is, +it seems no Satan is necessary to explain any diseases, they are +just as inevitable as any product of evolution. + +: Did I say that? Where? Seems to me like another bad inference. +: Actually what you've done is to oversimplify what I said to the +: point that your summary of my words takes on a new context. I +: never said that people are ""meant"" (presumably by God) ""to be +: punished by getting diseases"". Why I did say is that free moral +: choices have attendent consequences. If mankind chooses to reject +: God, as people have done since the beginning, then they should not +: expect God to protect them from adverse events in an entropic +: universe. + +I am not expecting this. If god exists, I expect him to leave us alone. +I would also like to hear why do you believe your choices are indeed +free. This is an interesting philosophical question, and the answer +is not as clear-cut as it seems to be. + +What consequences would you expect from rejecting Allah? + +: Oh, I admit it's not perfect (yet). But I'm working on it. :) + +A good library or a bookstore is a good starting point. + +: What does this have to do with the price of tea in China, or the +: question to which I provided an answer? Biology and Genetics are +: fine subjects and important scientific endeavors. But they explain +: *how* God created and set up life processes. They don't explain +: the why behind creation, life, or its subsequent evolution. + +Why is there a ""why behind""? And your proposition was something +that is not supported by the evidence. This is why we recommend +these books. + +Is there any need to invoke any why behind, a prime mover? Evidence +for this? If the whole universe can come into existence without +any intervention, as recent cosmological theories (Hawking et al) +suggest, why do people still insist on this? + +: Thanks Scotty, for your fine and sagely advice. But I am +: not highly motivated to learn all the nitty-gritty details +: of biology and genetics, although I'm sure I'd find it a +: fascinating subject. For I realize that the details do +: not change the Big Picture, that God created life in the +: beginning with the ability to change and adapt to its +: environment. + +I'm sorry, but they do. There is no evidence for your big picture, +and no need to create anything that is capable of adaptation. +It can come into existence without a Supreme Being. + +Try reading P.W. Atkins' Creation Revisited (Freeman, 1992). + +Petri +-- + ___. .'*''.* Petri Pihko kem-pmp@ Mathematics is the Truth. +!___.'* '.'*' ' . Pihatie 15 C finou.oulu.fi Physics is the Rule of + ' *' .* '* SF-90650 OULU kempmp@ the Game. + *' * .* FINLAND phoenix.oulu.fi -> Chemistry is The Game. +",0 +7816,"From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) +Subject: Scientific Yawn +X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70) +Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario. +Lines: 94 + + Gordon Rubenfeld responds to Ron Roth: +GR> ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) wrote: +GR> +GR> RR> Well, Gordon, I look at the RESULTS, not at anyone's *scientific* +GR> RR> stamp of approval. +GR> +GR> If you and your patients (followers?) are convinced (as you've written) +GR> by your methods of uncontrolled, undocumented, unreported, unsubstantiated, +GR> subjective endpoint research - great. But, why should the rest of us care? + + Gordon, even if you are trying to beat this issue to death, you'll + never get more than a stalemate out of this one! + I have never tried to force my type of medicine on any of you. Why + should I? My patients are happy. I'm happy. You and your peers seem + to be the only miserable ones around bemoaning the steady loss of + patients to the alternative camp. + Just look at Europe. There has been a steady exodus from 'synthetic' + medicine for over a decade now, and it'll be just a matter of time + before more people on this continent will abandon their drug and white + coat worship as well and visit different doctors for different needs. + +GR> You see Ron, the point isn't whether YOU and your patients are +GR> convinced that whatever it is you do works; it's whether what you do is +GR> MORE effective in similar cases (of whatever it is you think you are +GR> treating) than cupping, bloodletting, and placebo. + + This is very interesting. I have come exactly to the same conclusions + but in regards to *conventional* medicine. + + You see, I don't just treat little old ladies that wouldn't know any + different of what is being done, but a bulk of my patients consist of + teachers, lawyers, judges, nurses, accountants, university graduates, + and various health practitioners. + If these people have gotten results with my method after having been + unsuccessful with yours or their own, I certainly wouldn't lose any + sleep over whether you or your peers approve of my treatments --- + let's face it, with all the blunders committed by ""scientific"" MDs + over the years, I know a lot of people who hold your *scientific* + method in much lower esteem than they hold mine! + +GR> As far as we know ayurveda = crystals = homeopathy = Ron Roth +GR> which may all equal placebo administered with appropriate +GR> trappings... + + Sorry, but I'm not familiar OR interested with what appears to be + 'NEW AGE' medicine (ayurveda, crystals), with the exception of homeo- + pathy, of which I took a course. But Gordon, you already knew that - + you just wanted to make my system look a bit more far out, right? + + I use homeopathy very little, since my cellular test (EMR) is hard to + beat for accuracy and minerals are more predictable, while homeopathy + does have a problem with reliability, especially in acute conditions. + An exception perhaps are homeopathic nosodes which act fairly quickly + and are more dependable in certain viral or bacterial situations. + +GR> My colleagues and I spend hours debating study design +GR> and results, even of therapies currently accepted as ""standard"". +GR> As good (well, adequate) scientists, we are prepared, *if +GR> presented with appropriate data*, to abandon our most deeply held +GR> beliefs in favor of new ideas. + + I have met the challenges of hundreds of sceptics by verifying the + accuracy of measuring their mineral status to their total satisfac- + tion --- in other words EVERYONE INVOLVED is happy! + If you were to cook a meal, would you worry over whether EVERYONE + in this world would find it to their liking, or only those that end + up eating it? + Since I have financed every research project that I have undertaken + entirely myself, I don't need to follow any of your rules or guide- + lines to satisfy any aspects of a grant application, which YOU may + have to; neither am I concerned of whether or not my study designs + meet your or anyone else's criteria or acceptance. + +GR> Sorry Ron, if conviction were the ruler of truth, a flat Earth would +GR> still be the center of the Universe and epilepsy a curse of the gods. + + I think there would be more justification for an uneducated person + growing up in an uncivilized environment to believe in a flat earth, + than for a civilized, well educated and scientifically trained mind + to follow the doctrine of evolution. + Genetic engineering of course is now the final frontier to show God + how it is (properly) done. Now we've become capable of creating our + own paradise and give disease (and God) the boot, right? + + But just before we get rid of Him for good, perhaps He could leave us + some pointers on how to solve a couple of tiny problems, such as war, + poverty, racism, crime, riots, substance abuse... And one last thing, + could He also give us a hint on how to control natural disasters, the + weather, and last, but not least --- peace? + + --Ron-- +--- + RoseReader 2.00 P003228: The Lab called: Your brain is ready. + RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363 +",13 +1982,"From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) +Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI +In-Reply-To: ez033672@rocky.ucdavis.edu's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 03:02:20 GMT +Lines: 26 +Organization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc. + +In article ez033672@rocky.ucdavis.edu (The Great Randalli!) writes: + +> Can anyone explain in fairly simple terms why, if I get OS/2, I might +> need an SCSI controler rather than an IDE. Will performance suffer that +> much? For a 200MB or so drive? If I don't have a tape drive or CD-ROM? +> Any help would be appreciated. +> +> Richard Randall -- + +There is a way in which a multi-tasking computer actually gives you +more CPU power then you had before, and that is with I/O overlap. +With I/O overlap, your CPU can continue to ""think"" while disk +operations are underway, whereas without overlap, your CPU sits idly +waiting for each disk operation to finish - and disk operations take +an *eternity*, compared to a fast CPU. + +So, when you've got multi-tasking, you want to increase performance by +increasing the amount of overlapping you do. + +One way is with DMA or bus mastering. Either of these make it +possible for I/O devices to move their data into and out of memory +without interrupting the CPU. The alternative is for the CPU to move +the data. There are several SCSI interface cards that allow DMA and +bus mastering. IDE, however, is defined by the standard AT interface +created for the IBM PC AT, which requires the CPU to move all the data +bytes, with no DMA. +-- +Richard Krehbiel richk@grebyn.com +OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along... +",3 +5758,"From: zappala@pollux.usc.edu (Daniel Zappala) +Subject: Re: Darrrrrrrrryl +Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA +Lines: 31 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu + + +Mark Singer brings up the Strawberry Incident, where he lost a homerun +and the fan caught it. + +|> Before each Dodger game the public address announcer makes a speech +|> wherein he says that fans are welcome to the souvenirs of balls that +|> are hit into the stands as long as they do not interfere with any +|> that are in the field of play. Was the fan wrong? Should he have +|> been more aware of the situation and acted to avoid any possibility +|> of interference? + +Yes, I think he should have done more to get out of the way. As much +as fans want to catch a ball, they really should be aware that winning +the game is more important. As a Dodger fan, he has to be aware that +this is the home stadium, and that entails helping the home team win +in any way possible. As soon as the ball was hit that far, his first +instinct should be to root for Darryl to catch it, not to try to catch +it himself, particularly when he is sitting that close. + +I enjoy the attitude of the Wrigley fans, where they are against +visiting team home runs so much, they actually throw them back on the +field. + +Now, this has nothing to do with whether Darryl could have caught it or +not. Sure, he probably screwed up, but the fan should realize his +first responsibility is to get out of the way and help the team win. + + +Daniel +daniel@caldera.usc.edu + +",9 +7457,"From: blockley@csu.murdoch.edu.au (Adrian Blockley) +Subject: integrated cct-type UM82C452L manufac by UMC. +Lines: 15 +NNTP-Posting-Host: essun1.murdoch.edu.au + +where can I buy 1 or 2 of these chips (pref in Australia)? +What is name and address of `UMC'? + +Dan + +-- + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Adrian Blockley ! I may say something profound +Environmental science ! here one day. +Murdoch University ! +Western Australia, 6153 ! +blockley@essun1.murdoch.edu.au ! +phone 09-360 2737 ! +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +",12 +9978,"From: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum) +Subject: Re: Israeli Expansion-lust +Reply-To: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum) +Organization: The National Capital Freenet +Lines: 24 + + +In a previous article, zbib@bnr.ca (Sam Zbib) says: + +>IMHO, it does not really matter who started any individual battle within +>the Arabs/Isreal war context. The real question is who/what started the +>War. Does anyone have any doubts it was the creation of Israel on Arab +>land ? + +Where the hell do you get off calling it ""Arab land""? Jews have been +living there for a long time. Jews didn't just start arriving in 1900, +they've been living there for thousands of years, except for periods when +they were expelled but they always returned home. + + Steve +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +| Internet: aa229@freenet.carleton.ca Fidonet: 1:163/109.18 | +| Mossad@qube.ocunix.on.ca | +| <> | +",17 +5239,"From: pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu +Subject: Re: Finnally, the Phils have support +Lines: 75 +Nntp-Posting-Host: ulkyvx.louisville.edu +Organization: University of Louisville + +In article , philly@bach.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) writes: +> In article <1993Apr3.182452.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes: +> +>>>Everytime I have written on the net about the possibility of a +>>>successfuls season by the Philadelphia Phillies, I have gotten ripped +>>>from everybody from Pittsburgh to Calcutta. But if all the +>>>ignoramouses, care to look at this week's Baseball Weekly, they will see +>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +>>>that I'm not the only one who considers then as division winners - the +>>>rest of the most respected baseball writers in the country do as well. +>> +> +>>And what was the reasoning of this genius writer? That, even though their +>>pitching is at best ""sound"", they will win on the strength of their offense. +>>Lesse: +>> '93 offense = '92 offense + (Thompson & Incaviglia) +>> +>> '92 offense = 72 wins +>> '93 division winners = (at least) 88 wins +>> +>>So, +>> 88 wins = 72 wins + (Thompson & Incaviglia) +>> +>>Therefore, +>> 16 wins = Thompson & Incaviglia +>> +>>What did you learn in school today? +>> +>>If you take a math course and your teacher turns out to be Rob Rains, run, +>>don't walk, to drop/add. +>> P. Tierney +> +> You obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about. No, +> Thompson and Incaviglia don't equal 16 wins, but I'll take the two +> of them over Stan Javier and Ruben Amaro (.249 1HR, 334AB & +> .219 7HR 374 AB) I'd say this improvement should equate to 6or 7 +> wins at least. +> +> Then, I'll take Lenny Dykstra who played 85 games last year and +> project his numbers (.301, 104 hits, 18 2B's, 6 HR, 39RBI, 30 SB) +> over 150 games. Thus(.301, 188 hits, 32 2B's, 11HR, 70RBI, 54 SB) +> Okay, now we'll put these numbers in the leadoff hole and thus +> I have to bump Kruk, Hollins, Daulton RBI numbers up just a tad... +> now lesse... they knocked in 70, 93, and 109 respectively. Don't +> you think it's fair to add about 5 or 6 RBI to each? They managed +> to knock in a pretty nice amount of runs with a .219 leadoff hitter. +> Okay bozo, do you think it's fair to add maybe 7 or 8 more wins +> now? Oh, and how can I forget Wes Chamberlain, 275 AB's 9 HR, +> 41 RBI even WITH a month and 1/2 in AAA and a horrible first half. +> Well project that over a full season to get 18 HR and 80 RBI or so. +> Is that worth a win or two? +> +> Finally, take the *worse* pitching staff in the NL last year, add +> the worse injury decimation of 1992. Okay, now we add Danny +> jackson, some health, and a full season for Schilling... is that +> worth at least 3 wins? +> +> Okay we've been conservative and added about 18 wins so far. Now +> we're adding about 4 more wins thanks to the expansion teams... +> Okay, thats 22 wins. Lesse dipshit math genuious, 72 + 22 = 94 +> Hmmm... I think thats good enough to win the worse division in +> baseball? +> +> Next time, before you say something foolish, get a clue first! +> +> + +Actually, I was simply relaying the reasoning of this so-called genius BW +writer. I agree. The reasoning was foolish. + +Next time, before you say something foolish, be aware what you are responding +to. + +BTW, 94 wins. Very funny. + P. Tierney +",9 +1,"From: mathew +Subject: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Introduction to Atheism +Summary: Please read this file before posting to alt.atheism +Keywords: FAQ, atheism +Expires: Thu, 6 May 1993 12:22:45 GMT +Distribution: world +Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. +Supersedes: <19930308134439@mantis.co.uk> +Lines: 646 + +Archive-name: atheism/introduction +Alt-atheism-archive-name: introduction +Last-modified: 5 April 1993 +Version: 1.2 + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- + + An Introduction to Atheism + by mathew + +This article attempts to provide a general introduction to atheism. Whilst I +have tried to be as neutral as possible regarding contentious issues, you +should always remember that this document represents only one viewpoint. I +would encourage you to read widely and draw your own conclusions; some +relevant books are listed in a companion article. + +To provide a sense of cohesion and progression, I have presented this article +as an imaginary conversation between an atheist and a theist. All the +questions asked by the imaginary theist are questions which have been cropped +up repeatedly on alt.atheism since the newsgroup was created. Some other +frequently asked questions are answered in a companion article. + +Please note that this article is arguably slanted towards answering questions +posed from a Christian viewpoint. This is because the FAQ files reflect +questions which have actually been asked, and it is predominantly Christians +who proselytize on alt.atheism. + +So when I talk of religion, I am talking primarily about religions such as +Christianity, Judaism and Islam, which involve some sort of superhuman divine +being. Much of the discussion will apply to other religions, but some of it +may not. + +""What is atheism?"" + +Atheism is characterized by an absence of belief in the existence of God. +Some atheists go further, and believe that God does not exist. The former is +often referred to as the ""weak atheist"" position, and the latter as ""strong +atheism"". + +It is important to note the difference between these two positions. ""Weak +atheism"" is simple scepticism; disbelief in the existence of God. ""Strong +atheism"" is a positive belief that God does not exist. Please do not +fall into the trap of assuming that all atheists are ""strong atheists"". + +Some atheists believe in the non-existence of all Gods; others limit their +atheism to specific Gods, such as the Christian God, rather than making +flat-out denials. + +""But isn't disbelieving in God the same thing as believing he doesn't exist?"" + +Definitely not. Disbelief in a proposition means that one does not believe +it to be true. Not believing that something is true is not equivalent to +believing that it is false; one may simply have no idea whether it is true or +not. Which brings us to agnosticism. + +""What is agnosticism then?"" + +The term 'agnosticism' was coined by Professor Huxley at a meeting of the +Metaphysical Society in 1876. He defined an agnostic as someone who +disclaimed (""strong"") atheism and believed that the ultimate origin of things +must be some cause unknown and unknowable. + +Thus an agnostic is someone who believes that we do not and cannot know for +sure whether God exists. + +Words are slippery things, and language is inexact. Beware of assuming that +you can work out someone's philosophical point of view simply from the fact +that she calls herself an atheist or an agnostic. For example, many people +use agnosticism to mean ""weak atheism"", and use the word ""atheism"" only when +referring to ""strong atheism"". + +Beware also that because the word ""atheist"" has so many shades of meaning, it +is very difficult to generalize about atheists. About all you can say for +sure is that atheists don't believe in God. For example, it certainly isn't +the case that all atheists believe that science is the best way to find out +about the universe. + +""So what is the philosophical justification or basis for atheism?"" + +There are many philosophical justifications for atheism. To find out why a +particular person chooses to be an atheist, it's best to ask her. + +Many atheists feel that the idea of God as presented by the major religions +is essentially self-contradictory, and that it is logically impossible that +such a God could exist. Others are atheists through scepticism, because they +see no evidence that God exists. + +""But isn't it impossible to prove the non-existence of something?"" + +There are many counter-examples to such a statement. For example, it is +quite simple to prove that there does not exist a prime number larger than +all other prime numbers. Of course, this deals with well-defined objects +obeying well-defined rules. Whether Gods or universes are similarly +well-defined is a matter for debate. + +However, assuming for the moment that the existence of a God is not provably +impossible, there are still subtle reasons for assuming the non-existence of +God. If we assume that something does not exist, it is always possible to +show that this assumption is invalid by finding a single counter-example. + +If on the other hand we assume that something does exist, and if the thing in +question is not provably impossible, showing that the assumption is invalid +may require an exhaustive search of all possible places where such a thing +might be found, to show that it isn't there. Such an exhaustive search is +often impractical or impossible. There is no such problem with largest +primes, because we can prove that they don't exist. + +Therefore it is generally accepted that we must assume things do not exist +unless we have evidence that they do. Even theists follow this rule most of +the time; they don't believe in unicorns, even though they can't conclusively +prove that no unicorns exist anywhere. + +To assume that God exists is to make an assumption which probably cannot be +tested. We cannot make an exhaustive search of everywhere God might be to +prove that he doesn't exist anywhere. So the sceptical atheist assumes by +default that God does not exist, since that is an assumption we can test. + +Those who profess strong atheism usually do not claim that no sort of God +exists; instead, they generally restrict their claims so as to cover +varieties of God described by followers of various religions. So whilst it +may be impossible to prove conclusively that no God exists, it may be +possible to prove that (say) a God as described by a particular religious +book does not exist. It may even be possible to prove that no God described +by any present-day religion exists. + +In practice, believing that no God described by any religion exists is very +close to believing that no God exists. However, it is sufficiently different +that counter-arguments based on the impossibility of disproving every kind of +God are not really applicable. + +""But what if God is essentially non-detectable?"" + +If God interacts with our universe in any way, the effects of his interaction +must be measurable. Hence his interaction with our universe must be +detectable. + +If God is essentially non-detectable, it must therefore be the case that he +does not interact with our universe in any way. Many atheists would argue +that if God does not interact with our universe at all, it is of no +importance whether he exists or not. + +If the Bible is to be believed, God was easily detectable by the Israelites. +Surely he should still be detectable today? + +Note that I am not demanding that God interact in a scientifically +verifiable, physical way. It must surely be possible to perceive some +effect caused by his presence, though; otherwise, how can I distinguish him +from all the other things that don't exist? + +""OK, you may think there's a philosophical justification for atheism, but + isn't it still a religious belief?"" + +One of the most common pastimes in philosophical discussion is ""the +redefinition game"". The cynical view of this game is as follows: + +Person A begins by making a contentious statement. When person B points out +that it can't be true, person A gradually re-defines the words he used in the +statement until he arrives at something person B is prepared to accept. He +then records the statement, along with the fact that person B has agreed to +it, and continues. Eventually A uses the statement as an ""agreed fact"", but +uses his original definitions of all the words in it rather than the obscure +redefinitions originally needed to get B to agree to it. Rather than be seen +to be apparently inconsistent, B will tend to play along. + +The point of this digression is that the answer to the question ""Isn't +atheism a religious belief?"" depends crucially upon what is meant by +""religious"". ""Religion"" is generally characterized by belief in a superhuman +controlling power -- especially in some sort of God -- and by faith and +worship. + +[ It's worth pointing out in passing that some varieties of Buddhism are not + ""religion"" according to such a definition. ] + +Atheism is certainly not a belief in any sort of superhuman power, nor is it +categorized by worship in any meaningful sense. Widening the definition of +""religious"" to encompass atheism tends to result in many other aspects of +human behaviour suddenly becoming classed as ""religious"" as well -- such as +science, politics, and watching TV. + +""OK, so it's not a religion. But surely belief in atheism (or science) is + still just an act of faith, like religion is?"" + +Firstly, it's not entirely clear that sceptical atheism is something one +actually believes in. + +Secondly, it is necessary to adopt a number of core beliefs or assumptions to +make some sort of sense out of the sensory data we experience. Most atheists +try to adopt as few core beliefs as possible; and even those are subject to +questioning if experience throws them into doubt. + +Science has a number of core assumptions. For example, it is generally +assumed that the laws of physics are the same for all observers. These are +the sort of core assumptions atheists make. If such basic ideas are called +""acts of faith"", then almost everything we know must be said to be based on +acts of faith, and the term loses its meaning. + +Faith is more often used to refer to complete, certain belief in something. +According to such a definition, atheism and science are certainly not acts of +faith. Of course, individual atheists or scientists can be as dogmatic as +religious followers when claiming that something is ""certain"". This is not a +general tendency, however; there are many atheists who would be reluctant to +state with certainty that the universe exists. + +Faith is also used to refer to belief without supporting evidence or proof. +Sceptical atheism certainly doesn't fit that definition, as sceptical atheism +has no beliefs. Strong atheism is closer, but still doesn't really match, as +even the most dogmatic atheist will tend to refer to experimental data (or +the lack of it) when asserting that God does not exist. + +""If atheism is not religious, surely it's anti-religious?"" + +It is an unfortunate human tendency to label everyone as either ""for"" or +""against"", ""friend"" or ""enemy"". The truth is not so clear-cut. + +Atheism is the position that runs logically counter to theism; in that sense, +it can be said to be ""anti-religion"". However, when religious believers +speak of atheists being ""anti-religious"" they usually mean that the atheists +have some sort of antipathy or hatred towards theists. + +This categorization of atheists as hostile towards religion is quite unfair. +Atheist attitudes towards theists in fact cover a broad spectrum. + +Most atheists take a ""live and let live"" attitude. Unless questioned, they +will not usually mention their atheism, except perhaps to close friends. Of +course, this may be in part because atheism is not ""socially acceptable"" in +many countries. + +A few atheists are quite anti-religious, and may even try to ""convert"" others +when possible. Historically, such anti-religious atheists have made little +impact on society outside the Eastern Bloc countries. + +(To digress slightly: the Soviet Union was originally dedicated to separation +of church and state, just like the USA. Soviet citizens were legally free to +worship as they wished. The institution of ""state atheism"" came about when +Stalin took control of the Soviet Union and tried to destroy the churches in +order to gain complete power over the population.) + +Some atheists are quite vocal about their beliefs, but only where they see +religion encroaching on matters which are not its business -- for example, +the government of the USA. Such individuals are usually concerned that +church and state should remain separate. + +""But if you don't allow religion to have a say in the running of the state, + surely that's the same as state atheism?"" + +The principle of the separation of church and state is that the state shall +not legislate concerning matters of religious belief. In particular, it +means not only that the state cannot promote one religion at the expense of +another, but also that it cannot promote any belief which is religious in +nature. + +Religions can still have a say in discussion of purely secular matters. For +example, religious believers have historically been responsible for +encouraging many political reforms. Even today, many organizations +campaigning for an increase in spending on foreign aid are founded as +religious campaigns. So long as they campaign concerning secular matters, +and so long as they do not discriminate on religious grounds, most atheists +are quite happy to see them have their say. + +""What about prayer in schools? If there's no God, why do you care if people + pray?"" + +Because people who do pray are voters and lawmakers, and tend to do things +that those who don't pray can't just ignore. Also, Christian prayer in +schools is intimidating to non-Christians, even if they are told that they +need not join in. The diversity of religious and non-religious belief means +that it is impossible to formulate a meaningful prayer that will be +acceptable to all those present at any public event. + +Also, non-prayers tend to have friends and family who pray. It is reasonable +to care about friends and family wasting their time, even without other +motives. + +""You mentioned Christians who campaign for increased foreign aid. What about + atheists? Why aren't there any atheist charities or hospitals? Don't + atheists object to the religious charities?"" + +There are many charities without religious purpose that atheists can +contribute to. Some atheists contribute to religious charities as well, for +the sake of the practical good they do. Some atheists even do voluntary work +for charities founded on a theistic basis. + +Most atheists seem to feel that atheism isn't worth shouting about in +connection with charity. To them, atheism is just a simple, obvious everyday +matter, and so is charity. Many feel that it's somewhat cheap, not to say +self-righteous, to use simple charity as an excuse to plug a particular set +of religious beliefs. + +To ""weak"" atheists, building a hospital to say ""I do not believe in God"" is a +rather strange idea; it's rather like holding a party to say ""Today is not my +birthday"". Why the fuss? Atheism is rarely evangelical. + +""You said atheism isn't anti-religious. But is it perhaps a backlash against + one's upbringing, a way of rebelling?"" + +Perhaps it is, for some. But many people have parents who do not attempt to +force any religious (or atheist) ideas upon them, and many of those people +choose to call themselves atheists. + +It's also doubtless the case that some religious people chose religion as a +backlash against an atheist upbringing, as a way of being different. On the +other hand, many people choose religion as a way of conforming to the +expectations of others. + +On the whole, we can't conclude much about whether atheism or religion are +backlash or conformism; although in general, people have a tendency to go +along with a group rather than act or think independently. + +""How do atheists differ from religious people?"" + +They don't believe in God. That's all there is to it. + +Atheists may listen to heavy metal -- backwards, even -- or they may prefer a +Verdi Requiem, even if they know the words. They may wear Hawaiian shirts, +they may dress all in black, they may even wear orange robes. (Many +Buddhists lack a belief in any sort of God.) Some atheists even carry a copy +of the Bible around -- for arguing against, of course! + +Whoever you are, the chances are you have met several atheists without +realising it. Atheists are usually unexceptional in behaviour and +appearance. + +""Unexceptional? But aren't atheists less moral than religious people?"" + +That depends. If you define morality as obedience to God, then of course +atheists are less moral as they don't obey any God. But usually when one +talks of morality, one talks of what is acceptable (""right"") and unacceptable +(""wrong"") behaviour within society. + +Humans are social animals, and to be maximally successful they must +co-operate with each other. This is a good enough reason to discourage most +atheists from ""anti-social"" or ""immoral"" behaviour, purely for the purposes +of self-preservation. + +Many atheists behave in a ""moral"" or ""compassionate"" way simply because they +feel a natural tendency to empathize with other humans. So why do they care +what happens to others? They don't know, they simply are that way. + +Naturally, there are some people who behave ""immorally"" and try to use +atheism to justify their actions. However, there are equally many people who +behave ""immorally"" and then try to use religious beliefs to justify their +actions. For example: + + ""Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Jesus Christ + came into the world to save sinners... But for that very reason, I was + shown mercy so that in me... Jesus Christ might display His unlimited + patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive + eternal life. Now to the king eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, + be honor and glory forever and ever."" + +The above quote is from a statement made to the court on February 17th 1992 +by Jeffrey Dahmer, the notorious cannibal serial killer of Milwaukee, +Wisconsin. It seems that for every atheist mass-murderer, there is a +religious mass-murderer. But what of more trivial morality? + + A survey conducted by the Roper Organization found that behavior + deteriorated after ""born again"" experiences. While only 4% of respondents + said they had driven intoxicated before being ""born again,"" 12% had done + so after conversion. Similarly, 5% had used illegal drugs before + conversion, 9% after. Two percent admitted to engaging in illicit sex + before salvation; 5% after. + [""Freethought Today"", September 1991, p. 12.] + +So it seems that at best, religion does not have a monopoly on moral +behaviour. + +""Is there such a thing as atheist morality?"" + +If you mean ""Is there such a thing as morality for atheists?"", then the +answer is yes, as explained above. Many atheists have ideas about morality +which are at least as strong as those held by religious people. + +If you mean ""Does atheism have a characteristic moral code?"", then the answer +is no. Atheism by itself does not imply anything much about how a person +will behave. Most atheists follow many of the same ""moral rules"" as theists, +but for different reasons. Atheists view morality as something created by +humans, according to the way humans feel the world 'ought' to work, rather +than seeing it as a set of rules decreed by a supernatural being. + +""Then aren't atheists just theists who are denying God?"" + +A study by the Freedom From Religion Foundation found that over 90% of the +atheists who responded became atheists because religion did not work for +them. They had found that religious beliefs were fundamentally incompatible +with what they observed around them. + +Atheists are not unbelievers through ignorance or denial; they are +unbelievers through choice. The vast majority of them have spent time +studying one or more religions, sometimes in very great depth. They have +made a careful and considered decision to reject religious beliefs. + +This decision may, of course, be an inevitable consequence of that +individual's personality. For a naturally sceptical person, the choice +of atheism is often the only one that makes sense, and hence the only +choice that person can honestly make. + +""But don't atheists want to believe in God?"" + +Atheists live their lives as though there is nobody watching over them. Many +of them have no desire to be watched over, no matter how good-natured the +""Big Brother"" figure might be. + +Some atheists would like to be able to believe in God -- but so what? Should +one believe things merely because one wants them to be true? The risks of +such an approach should be obvious. Atheists often decide that wanting to +believe something is not enough; there must be evidence for the belief. + +""But of course atheists see no evidence for the existence of God -- they are + unwilling in their souls to see!"" + +Many, if not most atheists were previously religious. As has been explained +above, the vast majority have seriously considered the possibility that God +exists. Many atheists have spent time in prayer trying to reach God. + +Of course, it is true that some atheists lack an open mind; but assuming that +all atheists are biased and insincere is offensive and closed-minded. +Comments such as ""Of course God is there, you just aren't looking properly"" +are likely to be viewed as patronizing. + +Certainly, if you wish to engage in philosophical debate with atheists it is +vital that you give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are +being sincere if they say that they have searched for God. If you are not +willing to believe that they are basically telling the truth, debate is +futile. + +""Isn't the whole of life completely pointless to an atheist?"" + +Many atheists live a purposeful life. They decide what they think gives +meaning to life, and they pursue those goals. They try to make their lives +count, not by wishing for eternal life, but by having an influence on other +people who will live on. For example, an atheist may dedicate his life to +political reform, in the hope of leaving his mark on history. + +It is a natural human tendency to look for ""meaning"" or ""purpose"" in random +events. However, it is by no means obvious that ""life"" is the sort of thing +that has a ""meaning"". + +To put it another way, not everything which looks like a question is actually +a sensible thing to ask. Some atheists believe that asking ""What is the +meaning of life?"" is as silly as asking ""What is the meaning of a cup of +coffee?"". They believe that life has no purpose or meaning, it just is. + +""So how do atheists find comfort in time of danger?"" + +There are many ways of obtaining comfort; from family, friends, or even pets. +Or on a less spiritual level, from food or drink or TV. + +That may sound rather an empty and vulnerable way to face danger, but so +what? Should individuals believe in things because they are comforting, or +should they face reality no matter how harsh it might be? + +In the end, it's a decision for the individual concerned. Most atheists are +unable to believe something they would not otherwise believe merely because +it makes them feel comfortable. They put truth before comfort, and consider +that if searching for truth sometimes makes them feel unhappy, that's just +hard luck. + +""Don't atheists worry that they might suddenly be shown to be wrong?"" + +The short answer is ""No, do you?"" + +Many atheists have been atheists for years. They have encountered many +arguments and much supposed evidence for the existence of God, but they have +found all of it to be invalid or inconclusive. + +Thousands of years of religious belief haven't resulted in any good proof of +the existence of God. Atheists therefore tend to feel that they are unlikely +to be proved wrong in the immediate future, and they stop worrying about it. + +""So why should theists question their beliefs? Don't the same arguments + apply?"" + +No, because the beliefs being questioned are not similar. Weak atheism is +the sceptical ""default position"" to take; it asserts nothing. Strong atheism +is a negative belief. Theism is a very strong positive belief. + +Atheists sometimes also argue that theists should question their beliefs +because of the very real harm they can cause -- not just to the believers, +but to everyone else. + +""What sort of harm?"" + +Religion represents a huge financial and work burden on mankind. It's not +just a matter of religious believers wasting their money on church buildings; +think of all the time and effort spent building churches, praying, and so on. +Imagine how that effort could be better spent. + +Many theists believe in miracle healing. There have been plenty of instances +of ill people being ""healed"" by a priest, ceasing to take the medicines +prescribed to them by doctors, and dying as a result. Some theists have died +because they have refused blood transfusions on religious grounds. + +It is arguable that the Catholic Church's opposition to birth control -- and +condoms in particular -- is increasing the problem of overpopulation in many +third-world countries and contributing to the spread of AIDS world-wide. + +Religious believers have been known to murder their children rather than +allow their children to become atheists or marry someone of a different +religion. + +""Those weren't REAL believers. They just claimed to be believers as some + sort of excuse."" + +What makes a real believer? There are so many One True Religions it's hard +to tell. Look at Christianity: there are many competing groups, all +convinced that they are the only true Christians. Sometimes they even fight +and kill each other. How is an atheist supposed to decide who's a REAL +Christian and who isn't, when even the major Christian churches like the +Catholic Church and the Church of England can't decide amongst themselves? + +In the end, most atheists take a pragmatic view, and decide that anyone who +calls himself a Christian, and uses Christian belief or dogma to justify his +actions, should be considered a Christian. Maybe some of those Christians +are just perverting Christian teaching for their own ends -- but surely if +the Bible can be so readily used to support un-Christian acts it can't be +much of a moral code? If the Bible is the word of God, why couldn't he have +made it less easy to misinterpret? And how do you know that your beliefs +aren't a perversion of what your God intended? + +If there is no single unambiguous interpretation of the Bible, then why +should an atheist take one interpretation over another just on your say-so? +Sorry, but if someone claims that he believes in Jesus and that he murdered +others because Jesus and the Bible told him to do so, we must call him a +Christian. + +""Obviously those extreme sorts of beliefs should be questioned. But since + nobody has ever proved that God does not exist, it must be very unlikely + that more basic religious beliefs, shared by all faiths, are nonsense."" + +That does not hold, because as was pointed out at the start of this dialogue, +positive assertions concerning the existence of entities are inherently much +harder to disprove than negative ones. Nobody has ever proved that unicorns +don't exist, but that doesn't make it unlikely that they are myths. + +It is therefore much more valid to hold a negative assertion by default than +it is to hold a positive assertion by default. Of course, ""weak"" atheists +would argue that asserting nothing is better still. + +""Well, if atheism's so great, why are there so many theists?"" + +Unfortunately, the popularity of a belief has little to do with how ""correct"" +it is, or whether it ""works""; consider how many people believe in astrology, +graphology, and other pseudo-sciences. + +Many atheists feel that it is simply a human weakness to want to believe in +gods. Certainly in many primitive human societies, religion allows the +people to deal with phenomena that they do not adequately understand. + +Of course, there's more to religion than that. In the industrialized world, +we find people believing in religious explanations of phenomena even when +there are perfectly adequate natural explanations. Religion may have started +as a means of attempting to explain the world, but nowadays it serves other +purposes as well. + +""But so many cultures have developed religions. Surely that must say + something?"" + +Not really. Most religions are only superficially similar; for example, it's +worth remembering that religions such as Buddhism and Taoism lack any sort of +concept of God in the Christian sense. + +Of course, most religions are quick to denounce competing religions, so it's +rather odd to use one religion to try and justify another. + +""What about all the famous scientists and philosophers who have concluded + that God exists?"" + +For every scientist or philosopher who believes in a god, there is one who +does not. Besides, as has already been pointed out, the truth of a belief is +not determined by how many people believe it. Also, it is important to +realize that atheists do not view famous scientists or philosophers in the +same way that theists view their religious leaders. + +A famous scientist is only human; she may be an expert in some fields, but +when she talks about other matters her words carry no special weight. Many +respected scientists have made themselves look foolish by speaking on +subjects which lie outside their fields of expertise. + +""So are you really saying that widespread belief in religion indicates + nothing?"" + +Not entirely. It certainly indicates that the religion in question has +properties which have helped it so spread so far. + +The theory of memetics talks of ""memes"" -- sets of ideas which can propagate +themselves between human minds, by analogy with genes. Some atheists view +religions as sets of particularly successful parasitic memes, which spread by +encouraging their hosts to convert others. Some memes avoid destruction by +discouraging believers from questioning doctrine, or by using peer pressure +to keep one-time believers from admitting that they were mistaken. Some +religious memes even encourage their hosts to destroy hosts controlled by +other memes. + +Of course, in the memetic view there is no particular virtue associated with +successful propagation of a meme. Religion is not a good thing because of +the number of people who believe it, any more than a disease is a good thing +because of the number of people who have caught it. + +""Even if religion is not entirely true, at least it puts across important + messages. What are the fundamental messages of atheism?"" + +There are many important ideas atheists promote. The following are just a +few of them; don't be surprised to see ideas which are also present in some +religions. + + There is more to moral behaviour than mindlessly following rules. + + Be especially sceptical of positive claims. + + If you want your life to have some sort of meaning, it's up to you to + find it. + + Search for what is true, even if it makes you uncomfortable. + + Make the most of your life, as it's probably the only one you'll have. + + It's no good relying on some external power to change you; you must change + yourself. + + Just because something's popular doesn't mean it's good. + + If you must assume something, assume something it's easy to test. + + Don't believe things just because you want them to be true. + +and finally (and most importantly): + + All beliefs should be open to question. + +Thanks for taking the time to read this article. + + +mathew + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: 2.2 + +iQCVAgUBK8AjRXzXN+VrOblFAQFSbwP+MHePY4g7ge8Mo5wpsivX+kHYYxMErFAO +7ltVtMVTu66Nz6sBbPw9QkbjArbY/S2sZ9NF5htdii0R6SsEyPl0R6/9bV9okE/q +nihqnzXE8pGvLt7tlez4EoeHZjXLEFrdEyPVayT54yQqGb4HARbOEHDcrTe2atmP +q0Z4hSSPpAU= +=q2V5 +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +For information about PGP 2.2, send mail to pgpinfo@mantis.co.uk. +ÿ +",0 +1827,"From: rosa@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (massimo rossi) +Subject: ide &scsi controller +Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University +Lines: 16 + +hi folks +i have 2 hd first is an seagate 130mb +the second a cdc 340mb (with a future domain no ram) +i'd like to change my 2 controller ide & scsi and buy +a new one with ram (at least 1mb) that could controll +all of them +any companies? +how many $? +and is it possible via hw or via sw select how divide +the ram cache for 2 hd? (for example using dos that is +about all on one hd i'd like to reserve ram cache just to it) + +thanks to all +write at rosa@ghost.sm.dsi.unimi.it + + +",3 +7426,"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) +Subject: Re: Dayton Hamfest +Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine +Distribution: usa +Lines: 33 + +Yes, + +Take Interstate I-70 to the route 48 exit. Go south on 48 about +2-1/2 miles. Trun right on Shiloh Springs Road. The hamvention is +at the Harrah arena, which is about 1 mile west and on the north +side of the Road. Parking at the arena is limited. Lodging is +probably entirely booked-up within a 40 mile radius. Good luck. + + | | + 48 I75 + | | +----------I70----------....--------- + | | + | | + X | | +(mall) --------| | + S. Springs | + +It is possible to park at the mall to the west. There are shuttle +busses running between the arena and the mall. + +If possible, get a Montgomery County, OH map from your local AAA +office. It should be free if you are an AAA member. + +If you don't already have definite plans, now is not a particularly +good time to start to think about going to the hamvention. + + + +-- +Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department +Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 +wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED +",12 +8484,"From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) +Subject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon +Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO +Lines: 42 + + <1993Apr20.223807.16712@cs.rochester.edu> +NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu +In-reply-to: dietz@cs.rochester.edu's message of 20 Apr 93 22:38:07 GMT + +In article <1993Apr20.223807.16712@cs.rochester.edu> dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes: + + In article steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes: + + > Why Paul, it's obvious. + > Once chlorine chemistry has been banned on Earth, + > as is being advocated by some groups, Ti prices will + + > :-) :-) :-) + + Well, there already is a sulfate process for TiO2 purification. The + chlorine process is cleaner, however, and for that reason is achieving + dominance in the marketplace. + +Darn, caught by the white hot heat of technological progress again... + + Most Ti is used in pigment, btw (as the oxide), where it replaced + white lead pigment some decades ago. Very little is reduced to the + metal. + +Spoilsport. Hence the need for increasing fashion +emphasis on anodise Ti jewelry... + + > Seriously, I'd say there is a flaw in Gary's analysis + > in that he assumes an export oriented economy, maybe + > the lunatics will just want some native Ti for local + > use... + + Which merely evades the issue of why those lunatics are + there at all (and, why their children would want to stay.) + +I did not evade the issue at all. I clearly stated that +this would be from diabolical foresight in establishing +a sheltered industrial base for the upcoming Great War ;-) +Very cost effective if you use the right accounting method :-) + +* Steinn Sigurdsson Lick Observatory * +* steinly@lick.ucsc.edu ""standard disclaimer"" * +* But, oh, love is strange * +* and you have to learn to take the crunchy with the smooth, * +* I suppose - B.B. 1983 * + +",14 +7934,"From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu +Subject: Re: How about a crash program in basic immunological research? +Organization: University of Northern Iowa +Lines: 22 + +In article <221@ky3b.UUCP>, km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum) writes: +> As a physician, I almost never get sick: usually, when something horrendous +> is going around, I either don't get it at all or get a very mild case. +> When I do get really sick, it is always something unusual. +> +> This was not the situation when I was in medical school, particularly on +> pediatrics.... Pediatrics for me was three solid +> months of illness, and I had a temp of 104 when I took the final exam! +> +> I think what happens is that during training, and beyond, we are constantly +> exposed to new things, and we have the usual reactions to them, so that later +> on, when challenged with something, it is more likely a re-exposure for us, +> so we deal with it well and get a mild illness. + +This is also commonly seen in new teachers. The first few years, they're +sick a lot, but gradually seem to build up immunities to almost everything +common. Come to think of it, I was about my healthiest when I was +working in a pathogens lab, exposed to who-knows-what all the time. Pre-OSHA, +of course. + +Kay Klier Biology Dept UNI + +",13 +5966,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) +Subject: Re: Goalie masks +Article-I.D.: netnews.120666 +Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences +Lines: 10 +Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu + +My vote goes to John Vanbiesbrouck. His mask has a skyline of New York +City, and on the sides there are a bunch of bees (Beezer). It looks +really sharp. + +-- + Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! + LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! + kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! + + ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" +",10 +3466,"From: wchau@acsu.buffalo.edu (Wun-Chun Chau) +Subject: MFM controller, copy card for sale +Organization: UB +Lines: 13 +Nntp-Posting-Host: buttercup.eng.buffalo.edu + + +16 bit MFM FD/HD controller - $25/b.o. + +copy card w/ software and cable - $30/b.o. +(can copy any protected software) + +if interested, please reply to this account + +-- +==wun-chun Chau===============================What a crazy world!============= +INTERNET:wchau@eng.buffalo.edu UUCP: ...!{rutgers,uunet}!cs.buffalo.edu!wchau +INTERNET:wchau@cs.buffalo.edu BITNET: wchau%cs.buffalo.edu@ubvm.bitnet +===============Do you want to die young? If you know what I mean :) ========== +",6 +7976,"From: dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) +Subject: Do we need a Radiologist to read an Ultrasound? +Reply-To: dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com +Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector +Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.35 +Lines: 28 + +My wife's ob-gyn has an ultrasound machine in her office. When +the doctor couldn't hear a fetal heartbeat (13 weeks) she used +the ultrasound to see if everything was ok. (it was) + +On her next visit, my wife asked another doctor in the office if +they read the ultrasounds themselves or if they had a radiologist +read the pictures. The doctor very vehemently insisted that they +were qualified to read the ultrasound and radiologists were NOT! + +My wife is concerned about this. She saw a TV show a couple months +back (something like 20/20 or Dateline NBC, etc.) where an expert +on fetal ultrasounds (a radiologist) was showing all the different +deffects that could be detected using the ultrasound. + +Should my wife be concerned? Should we take the pictures to a +radiologist for a second opinion? (and if so, where would we find +such an expert in Chicago?) We don't really have any special medical +reason to be concerned, but if a radiologist will be able to see +things the ob-gyn can't, then I don't see why we shouldn't use one. + +Any thoughts? + + +-- +Doug Bank Private Systems Division +dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Motorola Communications Sector +dougb@nwu.edu Schaumburg, Illinois +dougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 708-576-8207 +",13 +3659,"From: aboyko@dixie.com (Andrew boyko) +Subject: Re: Sega Genesis for sale w/Sonic 1/2 +Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South. +Lines: 15 + +aboyko@dixie.com (Andrew boyko) writes: + +>4 month old Sega Genesis, barely used, one controller, in original +>box, with Sonics 1 and 2. $130 gets the whole bundle shipped to you. + +>Turns out they're not as addictive when they're yours. Anyway, mail me if +>you're interested in this marvel of modern technology. + +Well, I've been informed that the price on the whole thing I'm selling is now +less than the price I'm selling it for. That will teach me to wait that long +before getting rid of electronic equipment. Nevermind, everyone, I'm keeping +the thing. + +--- +Andrew Boyko aboyko@dixie.com +",6 +4223,"From: ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha) +Subject: 300ZX or SC300??? +Organization: Lehigh University +Lines: 15 + +Hi everyone, + +I'm getting a car in the near future. I've narrow it down to 300ZX and SC300. +Which might be a better choice? + +Thanks for your opnion, +Danny +-- + +=============================================================================== += ""Hey! You programmers out there! | Danny Phornprapha = += Please consider this: | ip02@lehigh.edu = += | = += Bugs are another endangered earth | LUCC Student Konsultant = += Species needing your protection. | Work: (215) 758-4141 = +",7 +9277,"From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) +Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary +Organization: Ft. Lauderdale, FL +Lines: 74 + +>[I think you're talking about the ""assumption of the Blessed Virgin +>Mary"". It says that ""The Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin +>Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed +>body and soul into heavenly glory."" This was defined by a Papal +>statement in 1950, though it had certainly been believed by some +>before that. Like the Immaculate Conception, this is primarily a +>Roman Catholic doctrine, and like it, it has no direct Biblical +>support. Note that Catholics do not believe in ""sola scriptura"". +>That is, they do not believe that the Bible is the only source of +>Christian knowledge. Thus the fact that a doctrine has little +>Biblical support is not necessarily significant to them. They believe +>that truth can be passed on through traditions of the Church, and also +>that it can be revealed to the Church. I'm not interested in yet +>another Catholic/Protestant argument, but if any Catholics can tell us +>the basis for these beliefs, I think it would be appropriate. --clh] + +In the Bible, there are a lot of instances where God speaks +to people, where a person just ""came to know"" some piece +of information, where a person walks off into the desert +for ""40 days"", etc. With all of God's power He certainly can +do whatever He wants when He wants it. The Bible ""ends"" +with the book of Revelations. But does God's reign end there ? No. +So who can say for sure that God's messages are either no longer +happening or still happening ? + +I can now hear the clamor for proof. 8-) +With the cold response I've gotten from the past from this +group, it's very hard to get the point across. I'll only +go over the physical stuff so that skeptics can look +at documents stored somewhere. I've cited the uncorrupted +bodies of saints before. They're still there. 8-) +The apparitions at Fatima, Portugal culminated in a miracle +specifically granted to show God's existence. That was +the spinning/descending of the sun. It was seen in several +countries. That event is ""approved"" by the Pope. Currently, +images of Mary in Japan, Korea, Yugoslavia, Philippines, Africa +are showing tears (natural or blood). These are still under +investigation by the Church. But realize that investigations +take decades to finish. And if the message is Christ will come +in ten days, that's a bit too late, isn't it 8-). +Other events under investigation are inner locutions (""coming +to know""), stigmata (the person exhibits Christ's wounds. And +they don't heal. And doctor's don't know why). +Non-believers are welcome to pore through documents, I'm sure. + +This stuff is not like Koresh. Or Oral Roberts (give me $5M +or God will call me home). It's free. Find out why they're +happening (as we ourselves are studying why). If anybody +can figure this out, tell us ! You can be of any religion. +If you have the resources, go to one of the countries I mentioned. +These are not ""members only"" events. God and Mary invites +everybody. + +So in conclusion (finally) ... +We RC's believe in the modern day manifestations of God and Mary. +We are scared to death sometimes although we're told not to. +There are more proofs and events. And that is why ""not everything +is in the Bible"". Although in a lot of the apparitions, we are told +to read the Bible. + +As far as the Protestant vs. Catholics issue is concerned... +In the end, God's churches will unite. I'm not sure how. +I have some idea. But the point is we shouldn't worry +about the ""versus"" part. Just do God's work. That's all +that matters. Unity will come. + +BTW, I'm just a plain person. I'm not the Pope's spokesperson. +But I am RC. + +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' +marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com | +The Lost Los Angelino | +",15 +4169,"From: madman@austin.ibm.com (Steve Heracleous) +Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... +Originator: madman@suave.austin.ibm.com +Organization: IBM Austin +Lines: 20 + + +This is a two-sided problem. Unfortunately our culture has been deteriorating over time. +The ""breeding"" of these low-life's is getting worse; our justice system is at best +extremely weak to handle these problems. That is why low-abiding citizens should have +the power to protect themselves and their property using deadly force if necessary +anywhere a threat is imminent. + +My Camaro (my pride and joy) got stolen right out of my driveway a few years back. +The persons that did that were eventually caught (lucky for me!) but not before +having trashed the car. + +On another occasion, on my way from Texas to Florida, I had stopped in a small motel +for the night in a small town somewhere in Florida. About 5 youths were disturbing my +car, setting off the alarm and challenging me to come out. When I and another tenant +walked out with a 357 Magnum and a 45 automatic respectively, they vanished. +Needless to say, I immediately packed-up and left. + +Watch out for car-jacking and staged accidents. They can be deadly! + +Steve Heracleous +",7 +5701,"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) +Subject: Re: MLB Standings and Scores for Fri., Apr. 16th, 1993 +Keywords: mlb, 04.16 +Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu +Organization: University of Chicago +Lines: 23 + +In article <1qmj6h$m5h@agate.berkeley.edu> jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) writes: +>Houston Astros 1 Seattle Mariners 1 +>Montreal Expos 2 Toronto Blue Jays 3 +>New York Mets 3 Oakland Athletics 2 +>Colorado Rockies 5 Detroit Tigers 3 +>Pittsburgh Pirates 5 Kansas City Royals 5 +>San Diego Padres 4 (13) New York Yankees 4 +>St. Louis Cardinals 4 Cleveland Indians 3 +>Los Angeles Dodgers 2 Boston Red Sox 4 (13) +>Atlanta Braves 1 California Angels PPD +>San Francisco Giants 6 Milwaukee Brewers RAIN + +This leads me to believe that it's not really a rabbitball year, and that +we've just had a rash of high-scoring games. I bet this one day's worth +of games pulled everything back to close to average. + +Interesting, because the other day, all but three games had ten or more +runs scored, and yesterday no game had more than nine. +-- +ted frank | +thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says ""Moops."" +the u of c law school | +standard disclaimers | +",9 +5904,"From: tvartiai@vipunen.hut.fi (Tommi Vartiainen) +Subject: Re: TPS will stay on the top... +Nntp-Posting-Host: vipunen.hut.fi +Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland +Lines: 15 + +In <1993Apr6.171611.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes: +>BTW. Is Juha Yl|nen (centre, HPK) drafted by the Jets?? During last year +>he has reached the top level among Finnish centres. He had very good +>playoff games against TPS! + +I'm not sure about Juha, but another top center, Rauli Raitanen([ss{t) +is drafted by Jets. Raitanen had very good year and he has played in the +Finnish nationalteam. I believe that he'll be one of the best finns in +this year's WC, if Matikainen(Head coach) elects him to the team. + +> Hannu + + Tommi + + +",10 +1210,"From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) +Subject: Re: Procomm Plus for windows problems.... +Lines: 24 +Nntp-Posting-Host: pittpa.cray.com +Organization: Cray Research Inc. +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +Robert J. Niland (rjn@teal.csn.org) wrote: + + +[Much text deleted] + +: I have heard from several people about less expensive m-f I/O cards +: with 16550s: + +: TSD Systems +: (407) 331-9130 +: $19.95 for the card, plus $9.95 per 16550. + +I can vouch for this one. I ordered it and got it for $34 including +S&H. It took me awhile to figure out how to get it working with my +system, but since I did, I get terrific results while downloading +using PCPlus for Windows. I used to get errors if I started any other +program while downloading at high speed. Not anymore. + +[More text deleted] +-- +_____________________________________________________________________________ +Tom Huot +huot@cray.com +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +",2 +3620,"From: mark@ardsley.business.uwo.ca (Mark Bramwell) +Subject: Re: Cellular Phone (Portable) for sale +Organization: Western Business School +Distribution: usa +Summary: Takes longer than 24 hours +Nntp-Posting-Host: home-pc1.business.uwo.ca +Lines: 19 + +> +>I hope you realize that for a cellular phone, you need to subscribe to a +>Cellular carrier, and it usually takes at least one working day before +>the service is available to you. Only then you can find out whether +>the phone is working. +> +>Tin +> + + +Not true. Dial 811 and listen to the recording. If you get it, then your +phone was recognized by the network. You wouldn't be able to dial a real +number yet (of course!) + +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +Mark Bramwell, VE3PZR Located in sunny London, Ontario + +Internet: Mark@ARDSLEY.business.uwo.ca IP Address: 129.100.29.33 + Packet: VE3PZR @ VE3GYQ UWO Phone: (519) 661-3714 +",6 +342,"From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) +Subject: Re: Origins of the bible. +Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 +Lines: 14 + +Adda Wainwright writes: + +>He stated that thousands of bibles were discovered at a certain point in +>time which were syllable-perfect. This therefore meant that there must have +>been one copy at a certain time; the time quoted by my acquaintance was +>approximately 50 years after the death of Jesus. + +This is, as far as I know, complete nonsense. The codification of the bible +as we have it now came very much later. +-- +C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, + + but strife closed in the sod. +mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: +tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" +",0 +7400,"From: dp@cec1.wustl.edu (David Prutchi) +Subject: OEM weight scale +Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 +Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO +Lines: 13 + +Does someone sell OEM scale units with either analog or digital output? +I need something like the scales used in supermarket cash registers, +with a dynamic range of a few pounds and reasonable accuracy. + +Any sources ? -David + ++------------------------------------------------------------+ +| David Prutchi HC1DT | +| Washington University | +| Campus Box 1185 | +| One Brookings Drive | +| St. Louis, MO 63130-4899 | ++------------------------------------------------------------+ +",12 +2346,"From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) +Subject: 2 PowerBook Questions +Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.215646.23800 +Organization: The Ohio State University +Lines: 13 +Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu + + +1. Why, or how actually, can a Powerbook have a 640 x 400 pixel + display, regardless if it is a 9"" or 10"", and still keep the + 72 dpi resolution? (I assume that it doesn't, and I don't + mean to imply they *all* have these dimensions) + + +2. Any info on price drops or new models (non-Duo) coming up? + + + +Thanks, +JT +",4 +3387,"From: edwind@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tom NGUYEN) +Subject: How to resolve different font formats ...? +Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center +Lines: 21 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: lims01.lerc.nasa.gov +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +Hi All! + +I tried to run SoftPC, a PC emulation software program, installed on a Silicon +Graphics workstation from a Human Design System (HDS) X terminal, and +everything went fine, except the fonts could NOT be converted from one type +of format to the other - HDS uses different font format from SGI worksation. +So, I have the following questions: + +1. How do you resolve different font formats from different machines? + +2. Is there a program to convert one type of font format to another? + +If you have similar problems/experiences and have found a solution, please +let me know. Your help will be greatly appreciated! + +Thank you in advance for your help and information. + +Tom Nguen + +edwind@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov + +",5 +520,"From: mbh2@engr.engr.uark.edu (M. Barton Hodges) +Subject: Stereoscopic imaging +Summary: Stereoscopic imaging +Keywords: stereoscopic +Nntp-Posting-Host: engr.engr.uark.edu +Organization: University of Arkansas +Lines: 8 + +I am interested in any information on stereoscopic imaging on a sun +workstation. For the most part, I need to know if there is any hardware +available to interface the system and whether the refresh rates are +sufficient to produce quality image representations. Any information +about the subject would be greatly appreciated. + + Thanks! + +",1 +2915,"From: ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Ned Danieley) +Subject: compiling clients on a Sun IPX +Organization: Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory, Duke Univ. Med. Center, Durham, N.C. +Lines: 19 +Nntp-Posting-Host: bal1.mc.duke.edu +Originator: ndd@bal1 + +I'm trying to set up an IPX for another group. I copied all the +X stuff that I compiled on my 4/280 (which runs SunOS 4.1.1) using +gcc 2.1, and most things run just fine. however, I did find a +couple of bugs, and when I try to recompile those clients on the IPX +(which runs 4.1.3), I get + +ld: Undefined symbol + _XShapeQueryExtension + _XShapeCombineMask + +I know that I can include libXext and get rid of those messages, +but I can't figure out why I get them on the IPX and not on the +4/280. any ideas? + +-- +Ned Danieley (ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu) +Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory +Box 3140, Duke University Medical Center +Durham, NC 27710 (919) 660-5111 or 660-5100 +",5 +1570,"From: srowe@fulcrum.co.uk (Simon Rowe) +Subject: Re: exit codes (dos--sorry for wrong group : ( +Organization: Fulcrum Communications +Lines: 13 + +Internal DOS commands (certainly 3.3 and before) do not set the exit +code. This is a royal pain if you want to do anything which checks for +successful deletions etc. The best suggestion is to use 4dos which +does return you exit codes. It also has move command, + + Simon. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Simon Rowe, srowe@fulcrum.co.uk +Fulcrum Communications Ltd, +Birmingham, Condition ""BRAIN_OVERLOAD$"" raised at +ENGLAND. 5412(0)/12234 +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +",2 +9496,"From: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) +Subject: CNN for sale +Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569 +Lines: 32 +Reply-To: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) +NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu + + +W.K. Gorman: + +<3>> Maybe now's the time for us, the NRA, GOA, CCRTKBA, SAF, et al to band +<3>> together and buy CNN as *our* voice. Wouldn't that be sumpin....broadcast +<3>> the truth for a change and be able to air a favorable pro-gun item or two.. + +<3>I would like to see this happen. I don't think it will. I don't +<3>think the average gun-owner will take any notice of what is happening +<3>until they break down HIS door. + +<3>BUT I will go on record publicly to the effect that I will contribute a +<3>minimum of $1,000.00 to the buy-out fund if it can be organized and made +<3>viable. Anybody else want to put their money where their mouth is? :) +<3>There ar 50+ MILLION gun owners out there. If - and it's a big and +<3>not very realistic if - we got hold of CNN, the anti-gun bullshit would +<3>STOP RIGHT THERE. Why won't it happen - because nobody will get off their +<3>ass and MAKE it happen. Nuts. + +Any NRA headquarters weenies listening to this man. Any RTKBA organization +honcho listening. It's time to stop fighting the Brady's and the Schumer's +(now there's an interesting meaning to the acronynm BS) from the comfort +of the office....we had better get serious with our time and money and get +after it or we might just as well pack it in now. +--- + . OLX 2.2 . Gun control advocates must have had a sanity by-pass! + +---- ++------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| Ye Olde Bailey BBS 713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis) | +| Houston,Texas yob.sccsi.com Home of alt.cosuard | ++------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +",16 +4728,"From: maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) +Subject: Observation re: helmets +X-AltNet-ID: 211353 +Lines: 29 + + + Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to rock +it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it... + + So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and +repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes. + + Then, while it was drying, I realized that I was out of smokes and that my +cage is not currently running... So I ""had to"" take my bike down to the +store. Not wanting to mess up my paint job, I said ""Well, heck. I can just +use my old helmet"".... this is your standard el cheapie openface... + + I didn't notice a big difference when I switched TO the shoei, but +switching back was really bad... + + 1) Doesn't fit worth a damn, too wide in the sides, too short front to +back... + 2) With a faceplate, it's still bloody windy... with the shoei, I normally +ignore the face shield until I get up to about 30ish... with this one, +taxiing to the end of the driveway was too smegging much wind. + + + + The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for +certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church +meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just +pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I +maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely +passenger? +",8 +10248,"From: cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) +Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 27 +Reply-To: cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) +NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu + + +In a previous article, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) says: + +>In article <1993Apr24.203620.6531@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: +>>I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in +>>reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering +>>reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is +>>interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda. +> +>Since one is also unlikely to get ""the truth"" from either Arab or +>Palestinian news outlets, where do we go to ""understand"", to learn? +>Is one form of propoganda more reliable than another? + +There are many neutral human rights organizations which always report +on the situation in the O.T. But, as most people used to see on TV, the +Israelis do not allow them to go deep there in the O.T. The Israelis +used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters. +So, this is another kind of terrorism committed by the Jews in Palestine. +They do not allow fair and neutral coverage of the situation in Palestine. + +>to determine that is to try and get beyond the writer's ""political +>agenda"", whether it is ""on"" or ""against"" our *side*. +> +>Tim + +Anas Omran + +",17 +3714,"From: davisonj@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison) +Subject: TCD-D3 DAT Walkman For Sale +Summary: I am backing out because someone is selling me another +Keywords: Digital Audio Tape Sony TCD-D3 DAT Walkman +Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network +Lines: 64 + + I recently backed out of purchasing an almost-unused Sony TCD-D3 DAT +Walkman, having found someone else who has a unit I personally prefer (and am +paying more for). However, it's still a heck of a machine for the price -- it +is quite rugged, and many people out there swear by it. (It's probably the +most popular walkman-style DAT machine out there.) + + Anyway, the guy selling it is Bryan Davis (bdavis@netcom.com), and +here's what he told me: + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Here is what is included: + - TCD-D3 DATman. + - (2) RCA to Stereo 1/8"" plug cables. One for analog input, one for + analog output. + - Optical digital I/O cable (one lead for input, one for output). + - A copy of my sales receipt with a note about your purchase. The + unit is still under factory warrantee. + - AC adaptor/battery charger. + - Rechargable battery. + +I paid $750 + tax for it so I hope you don't mind if I keep the 60 minute +tape it came with (I have some samples on it!). + +[By the way, he spent at least $100 too much for it, unless he's including an + extended warranty, which is advised for DAT machines, since it costs about + $300 to replace the head when it wears out, and it probably will within 5 + years if you use it a lot.. -- davisonj] +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + I'm not going to quote my sale price for him: that would not be nice. +Send him mail and ask him what he wants. + + Again, I've used the TCD-D3, and I have to say that I can certainly +understand why it is as popular as it is. I've been using one for a little +while, and although I had some problems with it recently, I should also point +out that the particular one I was using had been on the road for two years and +had truly been _used_ during that time. (This is the same exact DAT machine +that was lugged around the U.S. and Canada to record the Jazz Butcher +Conspiracy for their recent live album.) + + Bryan Davis says: +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +I know at least half a dozen professional musicians and record labels +in S.F who use that model (and have been for a while) with no reported +problem. My problem is that everyone I know already has one. +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + 'nuff said. + + The reason I'm not getting it is that I found someone else selling me a +unit that features phono-plug SPDIF I/O instead of optical (I don't have any +optical ports on my equipment, but you, the reader, might), and it also has +some other bells & whistles that the TCD-D3 doesn't. (I am also paying more +for the alternative.) Note that phono-plug-to-optical SPDIF adapters are +available if you absolutely must have one. + + Of course, it has SCMS. All consumer decks do. (So do Sony Minidiscs, +by the way.) + + Anyway, if you're interested, get in touch with bdavis@netcom.com. + +-- +John Davison +davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu +",6 +7636,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Subject: Re: CAN'T BREATHE +Article-I.D.: pitt.19438 +Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science +Lines: 33 + +In article <1p8t1p$mvv@agate.berkeley.edu> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes: + +> +>Re: the prostate treatment is worse than the disease...In medicine there +>really is something histologically identified as prostate tissue and +>there are observable changes which take place, that whenever they occur, +>can be identified as prostate cancer. What if I told you that most chiropractorstreat Subluxation (Spinal Demons), which don't exist at all. Therefore any +>tissue damage incurred in a chiropractic treatment performed +>in an effort to exorcise this elusive Silent Killer, such as ligamentous +>damage and laxity, microfracture of the joint surfaces, rib fractures, +>strokes, paralysis,etc., is by definition worse than non-treatment. +> +>John Badanes, DC, CA +>email: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu + +What does ""DC"" stand for? Couldn't be an antichiropractic posting +from a chiropractor, could it? My curiosity is piqued. + +Prostate CA is an especially troublesome entity for chiropractors. +It so typically causes bone pain due to spinal metastases that it +gets manipulated frequently. Manipulating a cancer riddled bone +is highly dangerous, since it can then fracture. I've seen at +least three cases where this happened with resulting neurologic +damage, including paraplegia. This is one instance where knowing +how to read x-rays can really help a chiropractor stay out of trouble. +DO chiropractors know what bony mets from prostate look like? + + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +",13 +6923,"From: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra) +Subject: political point of attack: Clipper infrastructure +Reply-To: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe +Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. +Lines: 37 +Nntp-Posting-Host: signal.ece.clarkson.edu + +My earlier argument that ""Clipper will encourage state and local cops +to commit criminal acts"" is largely moot, now that we've learned that +the FBI will perform the actual tap. [It will encourage the *FBI* to +commit (even more) criminal acts, but that's not the point here.] + +But this gives another avenue of attack on the Clipper proposal. When +the EFF/ACLU/CPSR FOIA requests are made, they should ask for details +on the bureaucratic and equipment infrastructure that is proposed (or +even already budgeted) for the FBI to service tapping requests -- for now +and the projected future. + +From these figures, estimate the number of Clipper-tap requests the FBI +is expecting. Publish this figure. Compare it on a per-capita basis +with the amount of tapping now known or suspected. + +Also estimate how expensive it would be for the FBI to install more +Clipper-tapping stations, and how rapidly they could be built and +installed ... ie, get the ""plus or minus"" epsilon for the near future. + +Might be a mite disturbing for J. Q. Public to know these things. + +And despite all the technical details [BTW, thanks to those who've been +providing them!], we still don't know + +1) how the tapping requests will be transmitted and authenticated (though + it isn't too hard to guess a good scheme). + +2) how the results will be securely transmitted (Fed Ex the audio tapes?) + +3) how privacy will be re-established when an investigation is complete. + ++========================================================================+ +| dwight tuinstra best: tuinstra@sandman.ece.clarkson.edu | +| tolerable: tuinstrd@craft.camp.clarkson.edu | +| | +| ""Homo sapiens: planetary cancer?? ... News at six"" | ++========================================================================+ +",11 +7540,"From: lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bruce G. Bostwick) +Subject: Re: Membrane keypad with custom legend. +Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX +Lines: 21 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: doc.cc.utexas.edu + +In article <1993Apr21.125530.18387@texhrc.uucp> pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) writes: +>I had a catalog with membrane keypads, but I dunno what +>happened to it, and it was so long ago that I forget the +>name of the company. Anyway, you could make your own +>legend and slip it behind the bezel. Really nice and +>reasonably priced. Can anyone tell me where to get some +>more of these critters? + +For some reason the name Grayhill springs to mind -- saw something +like that in a Grayhill catalog, along with options for custom printed +overlays and a neat little electroluuminescent backing that would make +the whole shebang glow a nice shade of green .. + +mighty handy if you're trying to key a door combination in the dark +and don't want to TURN ON THE &%#$!! LIGHT .. + +-- + +lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu / The only reason the world hasn't +(really Bruce Bostwick) / dissolved into total chaos is that +from the great state of TEXAS / Murphy's Law also applies to Murphy. +",12 +1895,"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) +Subject: Re: Need phone number for Western Digital (ESDI problem) +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) +Lines: 5 +NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu + + +Western Digital 1-800-832-4778.....Sam +-- +Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6... +Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH... +",3 +10136,"From: gt1091a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1091a gt1091a KAAN,TIMUCIN) +Subject: Re: Public Service Translation No.2 +Keywords: effective Greek & Armenian postings +Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology +Lines: 21 + +Who the hell is this guy David Davidian. I think he talks too much.. + + +Yo , DAVID you would better shut the f... up.. O.K ?? I don't like + +your attitute. You are full of lies and shit. Didn't you hear the + +saying ""DON'T MESS WITH A TURC!!""... + +See ya in hell.. + +Timucin. + + + + +-- +KAAN,TIMUCIN +Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 +uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt1091a +Internet: gt1091a@prism.gatech.edu +",17 +932,"From: ch381@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James K. Black) +Subject: NEEDED: algorithms for 2-d & 3-d object recognition +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 23 +Reply-To: ch381@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James K. Black) +NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu + + +Hi, + I have a friend who is working on 2-d and 3-d object recognition. He is looking +for references describing algorithms on the following subject areas: + +Thresholding +Edge Segmentation +Marr-Hildreth +Sobel Operator +Chain Codes +Thinning - Skeletonising + +If anybody is willing to post an algorithm that they have implemented which demonstrates +any of the above topics, it would be much appreciated. + +Please post all replies to my e-mail address. If requested I will post a summary to the +newsgroup in a couple of weeks. + + +Thanks in advance for all replies + +James +eb192@city.ac.uk +",1 +8380,"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) +Subject: Re: NASA ""Wraps"" +Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow +Lines: 91 + +In article <17APR199316423628@judy.uh.edu> wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov writes: + +>I don't care who told you this it is not generally true. I see EVERY single +>line item on a contract and I have to sign it. There is no such thing as +>wrap at this university. + +Dennis, I have worked on or written proposals worth tens of millions +of $$. Customers included government (including NASA), for profit and +non-profit companies. All expected a wrap (usually called a fee). Much +of the work involved allocating and costing the work of subcontractors. +The subcontractors where universities, for-profits, non-profits, and +even some of the NASA Centers for the Commercialization of Space. ALL +charged fees as part of the work. Down the street is one of the NASA +commercialization centers; they charge a fee. + +Now, I'm sure your a competent engineer Dennis, but you clearly lack +experience in several areas. Your posts show that you don't understand +the importance of integration in large projects. You also show a lack +of understanding of costing efforts as shown by your belief that it +is reasonable to charge incremental costs for everything. This isn't +a flame, jsut a statement. + +Your employer DOES charge a fee. You may not see it but you do. + +>>Sounds like they are adding it to their overhead rate. Go ask your +>>costing people how much fee they add to a project. + +>I did they never heard of it but suggest that, like our president did, that +>any percentage number like this is included in the overhead. + +Well there you are Dennis. As I said, they simply include the fee in +their overhead. Many seoparate the fee since the fee structure can +change depending on the customer. + +>No Allen you did not. You merely repeated allegations made by an Employee +>of the Overhead capital of NASA. + +Integration, Dennis, isn't overhead. + +>Nothing that Reston does could not be dont +>better or cheaper at the Other NASA centers where the work is going on. + +Dennis, Reston has been the only NASA agency working to reduce costs. When +WP 02 was hemoraging out a billion $$, the centers you love so much where +doing their best to cover it up and ignore the problem. Reston was the +only place you would find people actually interested in solving the +problems and building a station. + +>Kinda funny isn't it that someone who talks about a problem like this is +>at a place where everything is overhead. + +When you have a bit more experience Dennis, you will realize that +integration isn't overhead. It is the single most important part +of a successful large scale effort. + +>Why did the Space News artice point out that it was the congressionally +>demanded change that caused the problems? Methinks that you are being +>selective with the facts again. + +The story you refer to said that some NASA people blamed it on +Congress. Suprise suprise. The fact remains that it is the centers +you support so much who covered up the overheads and wouldn't address +the problems until the press published the story. + +Are you saying the Reston managers where wrong to get NASA to address +the overruns? You approve of what the centers did to cover up the overruns? + +>If it takes four flights a year to resupply the station and you have a cost +>of 500 million a flight then you pay 2 billion a year. You stated that your +>""friend"" at Reston said that with the current station they could resupply it +>for a billion a year ""if the wrap were gone"". This merely points out a +>blatent contridiction in your numbers that understandably you fail to see. + +You should know Dennis that NASA doesn't include transport costs for +resuply. That comes from the Shuttle budget. What they where saying +is that operational costs could be cut in half plus transport. + +>Sorry gang but I have a deadline for a satellite so someone else is going +>to have to do Allen's math for him for a while. I will have little chance to +>do so. + +I do hope you can find the time to tell us just why it was wrong of +Reston to ask that the problems with WP 02 be addressed. + + Allen + +-- ++---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | +| W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | ++----------------------60 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ +",14 +4406,"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) +Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time +Organization: Corporation for Open Systems +Distribution: na +Lines: 21 + +In <1993Apr15.040118.29272@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes: + +>In article callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: +>>In article <1993Apr13.215605.26252@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes: +>>> +>>>How about those really ugly fake wheel compartments stuck onto the +>>>trunk or side (or both sides!) of some tacky luxury cars? +>> +>>Some of 'em aren't fake (if you're talking about the Continental kit, +>>named after the Lincoln Continental, the first car to sport one). I +>>personally would _love_ to have a '56 T-Bird with a Continental kit +>>(and the supercharged V-8 :-); that is one of the most beautiful +>>cars ever built, IMHO. + +I'd go for a '39 Lincoln Continental if I could find one. Sad part is +that Edsel Ford designed it, and look at the abortion they named after +him. Ain't no justice. + + +>Okay, I'll admit it looks nice on the T-Bird (as a previous owner +>of 1967 and 1968 Thunderbirds, I'm biased anyway). +",7 +9775,"From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) +Subject: Re: Boston Gun Buy Back +Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA +Lines: 18 + +Re: More on Gun Buybacks + +The Denver buy back, trading guns for Denver Nuggets tickets was pretty much +a bust. Very few guns were turned in. The news tried to hype it but +when the best they could do was "".... including a loaded .38..."" well, +you get the picture. + +A side note- the news also reported that the guns would be checked for +whether or not they were stolen. STOLEN GUNS WILL BE RETURNED TO THEIR +OWNERS!!!!! (They say) + +(Does this have anything to do with the rally on the Capital steps yesterday + in support of the RKBA????) + +Even the rally made the 5 pm news on 3 channels :-) + + +Ron Miller +",16 +2843,"From: wilie.wilson@analog.com ( willie wilson ) +Subject: Experiences of DESQview/X? +Reply-To: willie.wilson@analog.com +Organization: Analog Devices B.V., Limerick, IRELAND +Lines: 19 + +I need to have PCs and SPARCstations run the same application ( namely +MicroSoft Project ). The original system ran on the PC. Now it needs to +be expanded to allow UNIX users to work with the application. The +current proposal is to use DESQview/X as a display server for the +application. + +I would like to know your experiences with using DESQview/X to run an +application on a PC and displaying on a SPARCstation. I've heard that +the network traffic is slow. + +Replies only by e-mail please. + +Thanks, in advance. +--- + ,__o + _-\_<, +...Willie (*)/'(*) +willie.wilson@analog.com + +",5 +4071,"From: m-it2691@DOC.CS.NYU.EDU (Tim Tsai) +Subject: AWD BMW +Lines: 11 +X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA12484; Mon, 5 Apr 93 23:06:31 -0700 +X-Received: by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com; id AA26423; Mon, 5 Apr 93 23:06:30 -0700 +X-Received: by DOC.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) + id AA07384; Tue, 6 Apr 93 02:07:00 -0400 +X-To: rec.autos.usenet +X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL2] + + + Any truth to the rumor of an AWD 3-series for '94? I believe +this info was published in either Popular Science or AutoWeek +a couple of months ago. + + Also, a friend told me that BMW used to make an AWD 325 called +the 325ix. I'd appreciate any info about this car too. Thanks.. + + Thanks. + + Tim +",7 +6023,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) +Subject: Re: Aargh! Great Hockey Coverage!! (Devils) +Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu +Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) +Organization: PhDs In The Hall +Lines: 21 + +Robbie Po writes: +>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) says: +>>Locked away, waiting for the tape-delay to start ... +> +>I think this guy is going to be just a little bit disappointed. + +Why? I'm calling this Penguins ... in 6. Only that with the way +things stand, the only radio game at that hour is from the Devils +on WABC, 770 AM. It'd be nice to have a Sony Watchman, but ... + +No need to be paranoid, Robbie. Don't judge me by my geographic +coordinates ... + +Jets over Nordiques in the final ... 7. + +gld +-- +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +Gary L. Dare +> gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! +> gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley +",10 +11086,"From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) +Subject: Re: Christian meta-ethics +Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC +Lines: 176 + +In turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) +writes: + +>In article mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) writes: +> +>> The issue, then, is this: +>> +>> Christian A says, ""Behavior such-and-such is sinful."" What is +>> Christian B supposed to *do* with such a statement? +>> +>> One possibility *always* exists: A may be able to persuade B that the +>> behavior in question *does* exhibit a failure in loving God or neighbor. +> +>Michael, modern liberal that he is, reads a fairly benign meaning +>into this word. He then constructs his religious beliefs around +>this understanding, reading *other* scripture in the context of +>these commandments, with ""love"" benignly understood. + +I regard love as no more or less ""benign"" than any other Christian does. +You are merely expressing ""approval"" of the consequences I find therein. +Which says more about our politics and cultural trappings than about my +(or any) religion. ""Love"" is a highly ambiguous word, of which Christians +can write both the ""gentle"" words Paul uses of it in 1 Corinthians -- in +a passage that even the ""conservatives"" will quote at you :-) -- and the +words of T. S. Eliot in his Pentacost Hymn, ""Love is the unfamiliar Name +that wove the intolerable shirt of flame ..."" + +This is in any case rather to the side of what I was attempting to raise +in my note, as will become more evident below. + +>As a non-believer, I find Michael's Christianity kinder and gentler. + +blechhh. I think you are misreading me, rather seriously. Though, +given my principle that one CANNOT force one's own notion of ""sin"" on +another, and my unshakeable ""disestablishmentarianism"", Russel Turpin +and others (believers and unbelievers alike) are under no threat of my +legislating my own understanding of Christian love. + +>If I take him at +>his word, he cannot condemn the Inquisitors, because they were +>also following these commandments as *they* understood them. If + +You misread. I can do (and have repeatedly done) a complete bill of +accusation against the Inquisition by exhibiting in as thorough a form +as anyone might want a demonstration of the harm it has done to human +beings (in the first place) and to respect for (let alone love of) ""God"" +in near succession. Please go back to my quoted words above: + +The ""possibility that always exists"" is that I (or, to revert to proper +time sequence, my predecessors over the last several centuries) could +persuade ""Christian B"" of my case that the Inquisition *does* indeed +constitute an egregious violation of the Law of Love. I must also note +that the majority of Christians HAVE been so persuaded. By Christian +argumentation, as well as by secular [both Christian and non-Christian] +prohibitions. + +What Mr. Turpin alludes to is a trickier point: + + A. I demonstrate the human pain and violation of love involved + in the Inquisition. + + B. The Inquisitor responds that Mother Church must, however + painful this *seems*, ""discipline"" her children for their + own good -- in this case the salvation of their souls (or + if the tortured heretic will not recant, than by bad example + ""deterring"" others from the same loss-of-soul.) + + A. I point out that this ""justification"" of a failure in love + depends on a highly speculative construal of texts and of + philosophical assertions that are quite undemonstrable. + + B. Burns me at the stake. + +My rhetoric has failed, but the point I am making is sustained. What is +going on here has a *lot* to do with ""cultural baggage."" In this case, +the baggage includes a (nearly universal, and absolutely secular) belief +that an accused person must prove innocence and that testimony is most +believable if taken under torture. The elimination of Inqisitorial +practice (in those places where it *has* been eliminated, or at least +greatly reduced) has very little, if anything, to do with the discussion +of sin in the exchange between A and B. + +Mr. Turpin is pointing out that, if I am A versus the Grand Inquisitor's B, +then my persuasion is not very likely to work. I know this; and in what- +ever personal agony, I consign the issue to God and my ghostly defense +attorney. So, ""one possibility"" fails in this case -- as it will fail in +may others. At the other extreme, the ""persuasion"" will succeed when it +properly SHOULD not, if it entails mistaken assumptions I share with the +Inquisitor. And that is potentially an even more troubling case, in that +many of the victims of Inquisition will have ""accepted"" that they were in +fact sinful (in such random cases as they may actually have been guilty +of charges brought against them.) + +The point is that the ""persuasion"" breaks down when the parties do NOT +share enough to agree on all the cultural baggage -- and given the main +thrust of the Inquisition, against ""heresy"", it is *bound* to break down +in precisely the ""worst"" cases. The ""conservative"" (I don't think that +is the right word, BTW) will take refuge in what I attribute to B above, +that he is ""justified"" in causing harm because he *thinks* that works to +a ""greater good."" But this is a violent and extravagant REFUSAL to follow +the gospel, as if one's theories about ""sin"" entitled one to cast aside +Jesus' words on dealing with sinners (cf. Matthew 5:39ff). + +I am a ""radical"" Christian *only* in that I take the gospel seriously. + +>(Or, for that matter, what does it mean to love one's fellow +>man?) And what is the ""right thing""? And how does one go about +>loving god? + +Well, the whole *point* of making these the ""base"" commandments is that +they *aren't* reducible to rules. A set of rules is a moral code or a +law code or an algorithm for acting. Such things can be very helpful +to individuals or societies -- but not if they are used *instead* of a +personal involvement in and responsibility for one's actions. The Great +Commandment is, more than anything else, a call to act *as if you were +God and accepting ultimate responsibility* in your every action. A +demand that I, like most, would rather *not* hear, but it keeps popping +up nonetheless (along with the reassurance that it is more important +that I be open to trying this, than succeeding at it). ""Conservatives"" +may twist this ""act as if you were God"" to mean ""lay down rules for other +people and be as nasty to them as possible if they don't keep YOUR rules."" +They are so insistent (and obvious) about this that they have convinced a +lot of people (who rightly reject the whole concept!) that such idiocy +IS how God acts. That, after all, is the standard accusation ""against +God"" by the atheists here and elsewhere. That the ""conservatives"" have +confused THEIR manipulative, hoop-jumping notions of coercing other +people with the Nature of God is almost the entire content of standard +American atheism -- and I quite agree with it on this point. + +>Ethical systems are not differentiated by the nice sounding goo +>up front, much of which sounds pretty much the same, but by the +>*specific* acts, procedures, and arguments that they recommend. + +And different bodies of Christians have, from the beginning, urged +*different* ""ethical systems"" (or in some cases, none). As a result, +it is bizarre to identify any one of these systems, however popular +(or infamous) with Christianity. Christianity DOES NOT HAVE A TORAH. +It does not have a QU'RAN. Specifically Christian scripture has very +little, if anything, in the way of ""commandments"" -- so little that +the ""Christians"" who desperately *want* commandments go ""mining"" for +them with almost no support (and thus almost no obvious limitation :-)) +for their efforts. The one, single, thing in the gospels which Jesus +specifically ""gives"" as ""a commandment"" to us is ""love one another."" + + [I will be expanding on this point in a reply to Paul Hudson + that I hope to get to in a day or so -- it is quite true that + SOME Christians infer LOTS of commandments from the NT; I'll + point out what has to be going on in these inferences, and why + there is a huge amount of ""cultural baggage"" involved.] + +You are quite right that this is ""goo"" if one is looking for an ethical +system. + +But why should anyone BE looking for an ethical system, since our +society is eager to hand us one or more no matter what we do? It +may be that we need a principle for the CRITIQUE of ethical systems +-- in which case I will profer the _agapate allelou_ once again. + +>I am glad that a few Christians, +>such as Michael, find a benign meaning for the goo, and then +>interpret the usually ugly specifics in a more constructive +>fashion. On the other hand, I do think that this tells us more +>about Michael and Christians like him that it tells us about +>Christianity. + +I think you are begging the question. Why don't I and the (myriads +of) other Christians like me tell you something about Christianity? +[Nor is this very new in Christianity -- you might want to look up +the origins and fundamental doctrines of the Quakers, from the 17th +century onwards, and they are not at all the first to understand the +gospel in a manner that is congenial to my case.] +-- +Michael L. Siemon I say ""You are gods, sons of the +mls@panix.com Most High, all of you; nevertheless + - or - you shall die like men, and fall +mls@ulysses.att..com like any prince."" Psalm 82:6-7 +",19 +6776,"From: olson@umbc.edu (Bryan Olson; CMSC) +Subject: Re: WH proposal from Police point of view +Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus +Lines: 30 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc7.umbc.edu +X-Auth-User: olson + + +In article <1993Apr18.034352.19470@news.clarkson.edu>, tuinstra@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra) writes: +|> It might pay to start looking at what this proposal might mean to a +|> police agency. It just might be a bad idea for them, too. +|> +|> OK, suppose the NY State Police want to tap a suspect's phone. They +|> need a warrant, just like the old days. But unlike the old days, they +|> now need to +|> +|> (a) get two federal agencies to give them the two parts of +|> the key. +|> +|> Now, what happens if there's a tiff between the two escrow houses? +|> Posession/release of keys becomes a political bargaining chit. + + While I think it is unrealistic to suppose that the federal +agencies will fail to promptly comply with a court order, there is +still a good point here. Local law enforcement will be unable to perform +a wiretap without bringing in federal agencies. Based on the (possibly +incomplete) understanding of the system quoted from D. Denning, only the +FBI will be able to decrypt the system key encryption layer, which seems +to be needed even to identify what escrowed keys to request. This moves +a great deal of law enforcement power to the federal level. + The reason I like this point is that it may sway or even persuade +people who don't generally line up with the civil liberties crowd. A +national police force is opposed by people from a broad range of political +viewpoints. + + +olson@umbc.edu +",11 +1876,"From: luttik@fwi.uva.nl (Bas Luttik (I91)) +Subject: Question: Can I connect two harddisk to one controller? +Summary: I want to connect a second harddisk to my controller +Keywords: Harddisk, Controller, MFM +Nntp-Posting-Host: gene.fwi.uva.nl +Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam +Lines: 21 + +Hi, + +I've got a Victor PC/XT with a 20 MB harddisk in it. The controller is +a Toshiba MFM controller, with an additional 9 pins connector. + +There are 2 busses from my harddisk to this controller. One with 9 wires +and another with 34 wires. + +The controller has two connectors for a 9 wire-bus and one for a 34 wire +bus. + +Now I got a 20 MB harddisk from a friend of mine, and I wondered whether +I can connect this second harddisk to the same controller (there is room +for a 9 wire-bus, but not for the 34 wire bus) + +How can I solve my problem, any suggestions? + +If you need more info, mail me, please (luttik@fwi.uva.nl). + +--Bas. + +",3 +5815,"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) +Subject: Re: Potvin's new goalie mask +Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca +Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS +Distribution: na +Lines: 38 + + +Stephen Legge (SLEGGE@kean.ucs.munc.ca) writes: +>I was wtahcing RIGHT GUARD HOCKEY WEEK on TSN yesterday and they had +>a feature on this guy that does a lot (most?) of the masks for NHL +>goalies. They talked about how they are made, what they are made of, +>and the designs that are put on them, etc. + +Actually, this part was really interesting. It turns out that the mask is +custom-fit to the goalie's face. The goalie puts his/her face through a +piece of wood (or was it plastic?) with a hole in it that allows only the face +and forehead to show. Hair is covered by a cap, eyes are covered by a plastic +wrap-type material, and vaseline is put on the goaltender's face. Then, a +plaster is spread on their cheeks, forehead, and chin which takes about 12 +minutes to dry sufficiently. When it dries, it is effectively a mold of the +goalie's face. This is used as the basis of the mask (the rest involves +padding the inside, hardening the exterior, fitting the cage, etc. etc. +John Blue of the Bruins actually demonstrated the procedure on the show. + +>He exhibited a couple masks he is currently working on, namely, a +>new mask for Andy Moog which is a basic re-working of his current +>mask with the bear on it, and new mask for Bob Essensa which was +>*really* cool -- the Jets logo was on the chin, and there were two +>fighter jets on either side on the forehead with an air-brushed +>back-ground. + +Yeah, Essensa's mask looked really good. + +>The best one of all was one he never talked about, he just held it up. +>It has the current Leafs crest on the chin and an awesome looking +>black panther on the forehead -- it *has* to be a new mask for Felix +>Potvin, but he never said whose it was. + +Actually, I thought I heard him say that it _was_ Potvin's for certain. I +would bet money on it either way...and it did look awesome! + + +dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca + +",10 +2982,"From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) +Subject: Re: Creating 8 bit windows on 24 bit display.. How? +Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines +Lines: 59 + +In article <1993Apr16.093209.25719@fwi.uva.nl>, stolk@fwi.uva.nl (Bram) writes: + +> I am using an X server that provides 3 visuals: PseudoColor 8 bit, +> Truecolor 24 bit and DirectColor 24 bit. + +Lucky dog... :-) + +> A problem occurs when I try to create a window with a visual that is +> different from the visual of the parent (which uses the default +> visual which is TC24). + +> In the Xlib reference guide from 'O reilly one can read in the +> section about XCteateWindow, something like: +> In the current implementation of X11: When using a visual other +> than the parent's, be sure to create or find a suitable colourmap +> which is to be used in the window attributes when creating, or +> else a BadMatch occurs. + +> This warning, strangely enough, is only mentioned in the newer +> editions of the X11R5 guides. + +It applies with equal force to earlier versions. Presumably only +recently did the author(s) decide it was important enough to mention. +The necessity it refers to has always been there, but it's been +implicit in the way CreateWindow requests default some attributes of +the new window. + +> However, even if I pass along a suitable colourmap, I still get a +> BadMatch when I create a window with a non-default visual. + +> attr.colormap = cmap; +> win = XCreateWindow( +[...] +> CopyFromParent, /* border width */ +> 8, /* depth */ +> InputOutput, /* class */ +> vinfo.visual, /* visual */ +> CWColormap, +> &attr +> ); + +This is because the warning you read is incomplete. You have to +provide not only a colormap but also a border. The default border is +CopyFromParent, which is not valid when the window's depth doesn't +match its parent's. Specify a border-pixmap of the correct depth, or a +border-pixel, and the problem should go away. + +There is another problem: I can't find anything to indicate that +CopyFromParent makes any sense as the border_width parameter to +XCreateWindow. Your Xlib implementation probably defines +CopyFromParent as zero, to simplify the conversion to wire format, so +you are unwittingly asking for a border width of zero, due to the Xlib +implementation not providing stricter type-checking. (To be fair, I'm +not entirely certain it's possible for Xlib to catch this.) + + der Mouse + + mouse@mcrcim.mcgill.edu +",5 +744,"From: cb@wixer.bga.com (Cyberspace Buddha) +Subject: Re: CView answers +Keywords: Stupid Programming +Organization: Real/Time Communications +Lines: 15 + +renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes: +>over where it places its temp files: it just places them in its +>""current directory"". + +I have to beg to differ on this point, as the batch file I use +to launch cview cd's to the dir where cview resides and then +invokes it. every time I crash cview, the 0-byte temp file +is found in the root dir of the drive cview is on. + +just my $0.13, +cb +-- + Cyberspace Buddha { Why are you looking for more knowledge when you } /(o\ + cb@wixer.bga.com \ do not pay attention to what you already know? / \o)/ + cb@wixer.cactus.org } ""get out of my chair!"" -- Hillary to god { peace... +",1 +6608,"From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) +Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. +Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana +Distribution: na +Lines: 25 + +holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: + + +> With E-Mail, if they can't break your PGP encryption, they'll just +>call up one of their TEMPEST trucks and read the electromagnetic emmisions +>from your computer or terminal. Note that measures to protect yourself from +>TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as far as I know. + +1. I don't think they are classified. + +2. I could independently invent about half a dozen right off +the top of my head. If I had studied Advanced E & M a little better, +I could probably come up with a _very_ good system. + +... +> If the new regime comes to fruition, make sure you protect your First +>Amendment rights by asserting your Second Amendment Rights. + +> Doug Holland + +-- +Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. +pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man + + +",11 +8731,"From: tom@igc.apc.org +Subject: computer cult +Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1469100033:000:2451 +Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!tom Apr 24 09:26:00 1993 +Lines: 59 + + +From: +Subject: computer cult + +From scott Fri Apr 23 16:31:21 1993 +Received: by igc.apc.org (4.1/Revision: 1.77 ) + id AA16121; Fri, 23 Apr 93 16:31:09 PDT +Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 16:31:09 PDT +Message-Id: <9304232331.AA16121@igc.apc.org> +From: Scott Weikart +Sender: scott +To: cdplist +Subject: Next stand-off? +Status: R + +Redwood City, CA (API) -- A tense stand-off entered its third week +today as authorities reported no progress in negotiations with +charismatic cult leader Steve Jobs. + +Negotiators are uncertain of the situation inside the compound, but +some reports suggest that half of the hundreds of followers inside +have been terminated. Others claim to be staying of their own free +will, but Jobs' persuasive manner makes this hard to confirm. + +In conversations with authorities, Jobs has given conflicting +information on how heavily prepared the group is for war with the +industry. At times, he has claimed to ""have hardware which will blow +anything else away"", while more recently he claims they have stopped +manufacturing their own. + +Agents from the ATF (Apple-Taligent Forces) believe that the group is +equipped with serious hardware, including 486-caliber pieces and +possibly Canon equipment. + +The siege has attracted a variety of spectators, from the curious to +other cultists. Some have offered to intercede in negotiations, +including a young man who will identify himself only as ""Bill"" and +claims to be the ""MS-iah"". + +Former members of the cult, some only recently deprogrammed, speak +hesitantly of their former lives, including being forced to work +20-hour days, and subsisting on Jolt and Twinkies. There were +frequent lectures in which they were indoctrinated into a theory of +""interpersonal computing"" which rejects traditional roles. + +Late-night vigils on Chesapeake Drive are taking their toll on +federal marshals. Loud rock and roll, mostly Talking Heads, blares +throughout the night. Some fear that Jobs will fulfill his own +apocalyptic prophecies, a worry reinforced when the loudspeakers +carry Jobs' own speeches -- typically beginning with a chilling ""I +want to welcome you to the 'Next World' "". + +- - -- +Roland J. Schemers III | Networking Systems +Systems Programmer | G16 Redwood Hall (415) 723-6740 +Distributed Computing Group | Stanford, CA 94305-4122 +Stanford University | schemers@Slapshot.Stanford.EDU + + +",14 +10635,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) +Subject: Re: A loathesome subject +Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA +Lines: 18 + +In article <1993Apr13.174636.15142@ads.com>, henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes: +> carlos@beowulf.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Carlos Carrion) wrote: +# -# Just curious (don't have to answer if you feel uncomfortable): +# -# how many times have YOU had sex with boys? +# +# why do you care? if a total stranger asked you how often you had sex, +# would you answer? +# +# # henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc. / , jck@catt.citri.edu.au (Justin Kibell) writes: + +|> I am writing a program which needs to draw colour XPM pixmap files onto a background without having the borders show up. I cannot do xor as the colours all stuff up. I cannot use XCopyPlane() as that is for single planes only. I want to be able to specify a colour in the pixmap to be used as the opaque colour. Is this possible. +|> +|> Games such as xjewel have the same problem. How does the mouse pointer do it? +|> +|> Any help would be helpful? :-) +|> + +You wanna do masking. Build a bitmap (pixmap of depth one) where all pixels +you name ""opaque"" are 1 (that get copied) and the others are 0. Use this +bitmap as the clip_mask in the gc used for XCopyArea(), and remember to +adjust the clip_origin coordinates to the XCopyArea() blit origin. + +The Mouse pointer (besides from that it is driven using RAMDAC analog +mapping on most hardwares) uses a mask, too. + +But be warned: blitting through a mask and especially moving around this mask +is annoying slow on most xservers... it flickers even at 40 MIPS... + +-- ++-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ +| o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | +| o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | +| o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | ++-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ +",5 +3559,"From: minh@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Minh Anh Pham) +Subject: <><><><>SIPPs MEMORY FORSALE<><><><> +Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute +Lines: 23 +NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu + + <><><><> SIPPs FOR SALE <><><><> + +I have 16 SIPPs for sale. I upgraded a few systems memory, so I don't need +these no more. They are: + + 11- 256x9 SIPPs @70NS + 5- 256X9 SIPPs @80NS + -------------------- + 4 MEG TOTAL ALL FOR $110 + OR 4 (1 MEG) FOR $27 +NOTE: SIPPs are gernally more expensive then SIMMs + +These SIPPs are in good working condition........ + +Buyer pay shipping/handling. + +If interested reply to: + minh@wpi.wpi.edu +-- + + Minh Pham + E-mail: minh@wpi.wpi.edu + Worcester Polytechnical Institute +",6 +2668,"From: ua020@freenet.Victoria.BC.CA (Toby Sinats) +Subject: Accelerator for Classic II? +Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet.victoria.bc.ca +Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada +Lines: 4 + + +Does one exist, who makes it, and how much? +Thanks:) +-- +",4 +3020,"From: glb6j@smarine.UUCP (Guy Babineau) +Subject: How do you find a window id given its name +Keywords: xlib xwininfo +Reply-To: virginia.edu!smarine.uucp!glb6j +Organization: Sperry Marine, Inc. +Lines: 15 + + +I want to do the equivalent of an ""xwininfo -name"" via a call or set of calls +in Xlib. I need to map a windows name to its id. +It's probably easy, but I've only been programming in X for a little while. +I've looked in the O'reilly books and didn't find it and I also checked the +FAQ and couldn't find it. + +Email to one of the following addresses and I'll post a response if it +seems reasonable to do so. + + +Guy +-- +Guy L. Babineau virginia.edu!smarine.uucp!glb6j +Sperry Marine Inc. 72147.2474@compuserve.com +",5 +9796,"From: dfo@vttoulu.tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) +Subject: Re: Rewording the Second Amendment (ideas) +Organization: VTT +Lines: 55 + +In article viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes: +>dfo@vttoulu.tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes: + +>>You believe that individuals should have the right to own weapons of +>>mass destruction? I find it hard to believe that you would support a +>>neighbor's right to keep nuclear weapons, biological weapons, and nerve +>>gas on his/her property. + +> That really depends upon where you draw the line while defining +>these weapons, + +This means you would support a ban if it were narrow enough. Good. + +>and also on if you intend the law to be reflective of +>modern practice five months or five centuries down the road. + +I would hope so. Let's define a nuclear weapon as an explosive weapon +whose majority of energy comes from fission and/or fusion of atomic +nuclei. Let's define a biological weapon as live organisms or viruses +in such state, quantity, and with such a vector that they could cause +death or serious disease [further defined] to a significant number of +people if released in a city, similarly populated area, resevoir, or +cropland. + + +Nerve gas and mustard gas are well defined. Other poisonous +gasses should be individually banned only if it can be shown that there +is no use not related to weaponry. Licenses should be available for +research purposes on such chemicals. + +I am not a lawyer, but these ideas could certainly be a basis for +definitions. + +>I'll give +>you a little hint: see that manure pile in the farmer's field down the +>road? In the USA, that is a weapon of mass destruction, + +Nope. It is not considered a weapon. + +>biological in +>nature, because if it gets washed into an open well it will contaminate +>the aquifers that supply thousands of cities with drinking water. So, +>where do *you* draw the line? In the USA, the EPA has ruled that +>a pile of scrap iron is illegal. Care to draw a thinner line this time? + +It is not defined as a weapon of mass destruction. Many things are +banned for other reasons. + +>< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > +>< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > + + +-- +doug foxvog +douglas.foxvog@vtt.fi +",16 +6100,"From: jwodzia@fadel.uucp (john wodziak) +Subject: Re: Goalie masks +Reply-To: jwodzia@fadel.UUCP (john wodziak) +Organization: Clemson University Engineering Department +Lines: 25 + +In article <120666@netnews.upenn.edu> kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) writes: +>My vote goes to John Vanbiesbrouck. His mask has a skyline of New York +>City, and on the sides there are a bunch of bees (Beezer). It looks +>really sharp. + +Doesn't it also have the Statue of Liberty on it or is that Richter's Mask? + +The back actually has a Bee followed by a Z to represent the Beezer. It +also has something that looks like the three interconnecting circles from +the Led Zepplin 4 album cover. Is that what it is supposed to be? and if +it is does anybody know why he would put it there? Ali? + +> Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! +> ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" + +John +""The official Language of Golf is Profanity"" + + + + +In Hockey Hell...............jwodzia@eng.clemson.edu............John R. Wodziak +The REAL Black and Gold |In Memorium: #7 Alan Kulwicki 1954-1993 | Bean +Will Triumph over those who |A Polish Yankee Mechanical Engineer, | Town +are Pretenders to the Crown.|1992 Winston Cup Champion & a great Person| ROCKS! +",10 +7291,"From: mlee@eng.sdsu.edu (Mike Lee) +Subject: Wire-Amperage table needed +Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services +Lines: 5 +NNTP-Posting-Host: eng.sdsu.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] + + +Does anyone has a table about the size of the wire to the amount of current it can carry. Probably in the 1-15amp range. My friend is interested in converting a Mazda into an electric car. Needed information for estimation. Thanks in advance. + +p.s. any info on electric will be greatly appreaciated. + +",12 +2044,"Subject: Trident 8900 switch settings (someone archive this!) +From: j3gum@vax1.mankato.msus.edu +Organization: Mankato State University +Lines: 109 + +T8900DIP.TXT - Jeffrey E. Hundstad (j3gum@vax1.mankato.msus.edu) + + Switch Settings on the Trident 8900C + +----------------------------------\ /-----------------| +| --------- | +| 9 ----| +| xx 8 8 8 8 ------- ------- | 1 +| xx | 6 | | 10 | |---| +| | | 4 ------- | 2 +| xx ------ j1 j2 |---| +| xx 8 8 8 8 ------- -------- | 3 +| | 5 | | 5 | |---| +|--------------| ------- |-| -------- 7 |-| | + |-----------| |-------------------| |----------- + VGA Graphics Adapter Layout #1 (8-DRAM) + +----------------------------------\ /-----------------| +| --------- 4 j3 | +| ------- 9 ----| +| 11 8 8 8 8 | | -------- | 1 +| | 6 | | 10 | |---| +| ------- 4 ------- -------- | 2 +| j2 | 5 | |---| +| 11 8 8 8 8 ------- | 3 +| | 5 | 4 j1 |---| +|--------------| |-| -------- 7 |-| | + |-----------| |-------------------| |----------- + VGA Graphics Adapter Layout #2 (2/4/8 - DRAM) + +----------------------------------\ /-----------------| +| --------- 4 j3 | +| ------- 9 ----| +| 11 8 8 8 8 | | -------- | 1 +| | 6 | ------- | 10 | |---| +| ------- 4 | 5 | -------- | 2 +| j2 ------- |---| +| 11 8 8 8 8 | 5 | | 3 +| 4 j3 ------- |---| +|--------------| |-| |-| 4 j1 | + |-----------| |-------------------| |----------- + VGA GRaphics Adapter Layout #3 (2/4/8 - DRAM) + +1. Dip Switches +2. DB-15 connector: For analog monitors. +3. DB-9 connector: for TTL monitors. (* NOTE #1) +4. Jumers J1, J2, J3, J4 (J3 for layouts #2 and #3, J4 for layout #3) +5. Video BIOS: Basic Input/Ouput System. +6. TVGA 8900 Chip: VGA GRaphics chip. +7. Edge connector: For IBM PC/XT, PC/AT and compatible systems. +8. Video DRAM: up to 1MB +9. Feature connector: For special applications. +10. Video DAC +11. Jumper Blocks JP1 and JP2 (2/4/8 board only) +* NOTE #1 - Hardware option. Feature not present for all board versions. + +Switch settings for the 6 switch dip box (#1 from figures). + +Switch 3: Scan Rate + On - Less than 48KHz (default) + Off - 38-49Khz + +Switch 5: Fast and Slow Address Decode + Off - Fast address decode (default) + On - Slow address decode + +Switch 6: 8/16 bit Data Path + Off - 16-bit data path (default) + On - 8-bit data path + + +Jumper settings + +J1: Settings for IRQ9 + 1 2 3 1 2 3 + xxx xxx + Off (def) On + +J2: Settings for Bus Size Detections +1 1 x +2 x 2 x +3 x 3 +Autodetect Standard Interface +(def) + +J3: Settings for DRAM Configuration + 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 + ---- | | ---- + ---- | | ---- + 4 5 6 4 5 6 4 5 6 + + Two DRAM Four DRAM Eight DRAM + +J4: DRAM Clock Select + 1 2 3 1 2 3 + xxx xxx + 40 MHz 48 MHz +Two DRAM 4/8 DRAM + + +SW1 & SW2 + +Swich Setings | SW1 | SW2 +--------------------+-----+---- +VGA mode (default) | On | On +EGA mode | Off | On +CGA mode | On | Off +MDA/Hercules mode | Off | Off + +",3 +10959,"From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) +Subject: Re: Religion and homosexuality +Keywords: being liberal +Organization: University of Georgia, Athens +Distribution: usa +Lines: 18 + +In article <1993Apr5.182411.7621@midway.uchicago.edu> dsoconne@midway.uchicago.edu writes: +>First of all as far as I know, only male homosexuality is explicitly +>mentioned in the bibles, so you're off the hook there, + +Actually, there is one condemnation of lesbian acts in the Bible, Romans +1:26. + +I think. In +>any event, there are *plenty* of people in many denominations who +>do not consider a person's sexual identification of gay/lesbian/bisexual +>as an ""immoral lifestyle choice"" + +There are plenty who don't read the Bible. +Or pray for that matter. + +Link Hudson. + + +",19 +3814,"From: lorne@sun.com (Lorne R. Johnson - Sun IC Region SE) +Subject: WARRIORS TICKETS FOR SALE +Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. +Lines: 22 +Distribution: ca +Reply-To: lorne@sun.com +NNTP-Posting-Host: normajean.west.sun.com + + + ***************************** + * WARRIORS TICKETS FOR SALE * + ***************************** + +I have 2 tickets that I can't use (Last pair this year). + +Section 109, Row P, Seats 8 & 9 + +DAY DATE OPPONENT TIME +--- ---- -------- ---- +WED 4/21 Sacremento 7:30 + +Price: $45.00 = MY COST + +Call or email if you are interested in these tickets. + + +Lorne Johnson +lorne@sun.com +(408) 562-6003 + +",6 +9259,"From: thssccb@iitmax.iit.edu (catherine c bareiss) +Subject: Re: phone number of wycliffe translators UK +Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology +Lines: 36 + +In article mprc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price) writes: +> +> I'm concerned about a recent posting about WBT/SIL. I thought they'd +>pretty much been denounced as a right-wing organization involved in +>ideological manipulation and cultural interference, including Vietnam +>and South America. A commission from Mexican Academia denounced them in +>1979 as "" a covert political and ideological institution used by the +>U.S. govt as an instrument of control, regulation, penetration, espionage and +>repression."" + +I have personally know quite of few of the Wycliffe Bible Translators. +As an organization their fundamental purpose is to translate the scriptures +into the native languages which in terms usual means learning it and +developing a written language (along with teaching the natives to read). +It is not associated with the U.S. govt. at all. Many governments +want the help of the translators. To the best of my knowledge the +Mexican government now encourages them to come. Their idea is not +cultural interference but the presentation of the Good News. + +To understand more about what they do, I suggest you read some of the books +(autobiographical and biographical) about some of the translators. One +that stands out in my mind as an excellent is called ""Peace Child."" +This would give a true picture of what their mission is. + +> My concern is that this group may be seen as acceptable and even +>praiseworthy by readers of soc.religion.christian. It's important that +>Christians don't immediately accept every ""Christian"" organization as +>automatically above reproach. +> +> mp +I agree with this statement, but we cannot also accept what others +say without looking into the issues. That would be the same as taking +Suddan's discussion about the CIA, etc. as being true. We must look +at both sides. + +Cathy Bareiss +",15 +7444,"From: chin@ee.ualberta.ca (Jing Chin) +Subject: Need Info on DSP project +Summary: General info on building a DSP project that can manipulate music +Keywords: DSP , D/A , A/D , music , project +Nntp-Posting-Host: bode.ee.ualberta.ca +Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada +Lines: 10 + +I want to start a DSP project that can maniplate music in a stereo cassette. +Is that any chip set, development kit and/or compiler that +can equilize/mix music? Ideally, The system should have D/A A/D converters & +a DSP compiler. A rough estimate of the cost is greately appreciated. + +Thanks in advance. + +Regards, +Jing Chin +e-mail address:chin@bode.ee.ualberta.ca +",12 +1801,"From: els390r@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au (G Chow) +Subject: Re: ESDI with IDE??? +Organization: Monash University +Lines: 27 + +In article <1qegfd$dqi@wsinis03.info.win.tue.nl> monty@wsinis03.info.win.tue.nl (Guido Leenders) writes: +>Hi, +> +>Is it possible to use an ESDI-controller with HDD together with an +>IDE-harddisk + controller in one ISA-system? +> +>I've read stuff about secondary controllers. Does this trick work? +> +>Thanx in advance, +> +>Guido +>monty@win.tue.nl + +I have the same question as Guido. It is possible to use the ESDI drive as a master and the IDE drive as the slave ? +At the moment , I have been using the ESDI drive and recently I bought a IDE drive to use as the 2nd drive . +The person in the computer shop told me that it is not possible to run 2 disk controller cards together on the same motherboard ( ESDI AND IDE ) but I think there might be some way of making them work. Can anybody enlighten me on this? +And it is possible to run a ESDI HDD using a IDE controller? or vice versa? +Can anybody please help me out on this? +Your help will be very much appreciated. + +G.Chow + +els390r@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au +els390r@mdw013.cc.monash.edu.au +gtchow@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au + + +",3 +8004,"From: wcsbeau@superior.carleton.ca (OPIRG) +Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? +Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada +Lines: 101 + +In article <1993Apr15.190711.22190@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes: + + +>The funny thing is the personaly stories about reactions to MSG vary so +>greatly. Some said that their heart beat speeded up with flush face. Some +>claim their heart ""skipped"" beats once in a while. + +Both of these symptoms are related - tachycardia. Getting a flushed +face is due to the heart pumping the blood faster than a regular +pulse. I suspect this is related to an increase in sodium levels in +the blood, since note *sodium chloride* monosodium glutamate. Both are +sodium compounds. Our bodies require sodium, but like everything else, +one can get too much of a good thing. + +>Some reacted with headache, + +Again, this could be related to increased blood flow from increased +heart rate, from the sodium in the MSG. Distended crainial arteries, +essentially. One of many causes of headaches. There is no discrepency +her, necessarily. + + +>some stomach ache. + +Well stomache ache and vomiting tend to be related. Again, not +necessarily a discrepency. More likely a related reaction. Vomiting +occurs as a response to get rid of a noxious compound an organism has +eaten. If a person can't digest the stuff (entirely possible - the +list of stuff people are allergic to is quite long), and lacks an +enzyme to break it down, gastrointestinal distress (stomach or belly +ache) would be expected. + + +> Some had watery eyes or running nose, + + +These are respiratory reactions, and are now considered to be similar +to vomitting. They are a way for the body to dispose of noxious +compounds. They are adaptiove responses. Of course, it is possible +some other food or environmental compound could be responsible for the +symptoms. But it's important to remember that a lot opf these effets +can be additive, synergystic, subtractive, etc, etc. It would be +necessary to know exactly what was in a dish, and what else the person +was exposed to. Respiratory does sound suspicious BUT resopiration +and heart rate are connected. Things in the body are far from +simple...very inetractive place, the vertebrate body. + +> some +>had itchy skin or rashes. + +People respond in a myriad of ways to the same compound. It depends +upon what it is about the compound that ""pisses off"" their body. +Pollen, for example, of some plants aggrivates breathing in many +people, because, when inhaled, it sets of the immune system, and an +histamine attack is launched. The immune system goes overboard, +causing the allergic person a lot of misery. And someone with an +allergy to some pollens will have trouble with some herb teas that +contain pollens (Chamomile, linden, etc). Drinking the substance can +perturb that person's system as much as inhaling it. + +>More serious accusations include respiration +>difficulty + +See above. And don't think that heart rate changes, and circulatory +problems are not serious. They can be deadly. + +and brain damage. + +The area of the brain effected is the neuroendocrine system +controlling the release of gonadotropin, the supra-hormone controlling +the cyclical release of testosterone and estradiol, as well as somatostatin, +and other steroids. Testing for effective dose would be, uh, a wee bit unethical. + + +>Now here is a new one: vomiting. My guess is that MSG becomes the number one +>suspect of any problem. In this case. it might be just food +poisoning. + +Absolutely. But it could also be some synergystic mess from eating , +say, undetected shrimp or mushrooms (to which many are allergic), plus +too much alcohol, and inhaling too much diesel fumes biking home, +plus, let's say, having contracted flu from one's sig. other 3 days +before from drinking out of the same glass. Could be all sorts of +things. + +But it might be the MSG. + +>if you heard things about MSG, you may think it must be it. + +If noone else got sick, its likely not food poisoning. Probably +stomach flu or an undetected thing the guy's allergic to. + + +Anyway, the human body's not a machine; people vary widely in their +responses, and a lot of reactions are due to combinations of things. + + Dianne Murray wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca + + +",13 +6138,"From: riel@unixg.ubc.ca (William Riel) +Subject: Re: Travesty at the Joe Louis +Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada +Lines: 12 +NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca + +In article <1993Apr20.005512.3382@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes: +>(Detroit, April 19) +> +>In a development that shocked most knowledgable observers, the Detroit Redwings +>scored no less than six goals against the best goaltender in the world en +>route to a 6-3 win over the best team in the NHL, the Toronto Maple Leafs. + +Not only that, but if I'm not mistaken Detroit scored 4 goals on their first +five shots on net...looks like Toronto's cream cheese run continues (or is +that swiss cheese? after watching Potvin I'm leaning towards the latter) + +Bill +",10 +1098,"From: bkph@kauai.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn) +Subject: Re: ATM or Truetype-which to choose? +Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab +Lines: 50 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: kauai.ai.mit.edu +In-reply-to: davidgl@microsoft.com's message of 06 Apr 93 02:37:30 GMT + + +`In article <1993Apr06.023730.5094@microsoft.com> davidgl@microsoft.com (David Glenn) writes: + + ... + + Again, not true. The characters in a TT or Type 1 font depend on the + maker. If someone converts a Type 1 font to TT they'll only get the + characters in the font of orgin. TT allows for much more flexibility + in this area as well. You can have thousands of glyphs in a TT font + file (Mac/PS/Windows/Unicode char set) and use the characters + appropriate for the particular platform you are running the font on. + +Well, yes, both Type 1 and TrueType fonts can contain lots of characters. +And in both cases plain text fonts will be reencoded to Windows ANSI +in Windows, and to Mac standard roman encoding on the Mac. +No difference there between T1 and TT! + +And as for fonts with thousands of glyphs, right know these are a liabiliaty +rather than a great new thing. Reason is that a font with 3000 characters +is very large, and if you can only access 224 of them you are paying a heavy +price in downloading time and printer storage. (And at the moment there +is only one program of that uses `partial font downloading') + + For instance, all or our fontpack 2 TT fonts have the Mac/Windows + char set in them. The metrics of the fonts are such that if the font + is brought over to the mac the user will have access to the full mac + char set. + +Yes and T1 text fonts all have the `ISO Adobe' character set, which is +a superset of Windows ANSI and Macintosh standard roman enocding. + +The question is whether you can get at the glyphs. In Windows, for example, +you cannot get at the ligatures `fi' anfd `fl' (both T1 and TT)even though a +font may very well have them. + +ANd, while it is somewhat painful to reencode a Type 1 font and to create a +new Windows metric file (PFM) for it, there are utilities out there to allow +you do this. How do I reencode a TrueType font? How can I get at the +`fi' and `fl' ligatures in Windows (or on the Mac)? Are there utilities +that make it possible to circumvent the hard-wired Windows ANSI encoding? + + + > Regards, 1001-A East Harmony Road + > Bob Niland Suite 503 + > Internet: rjn@csn.org Fort Collins CO 80525 + > CompuServe: 71044,2124 (303) 223-5209 + + +Berthold K.P. Horn +Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA +",2 +3903,"From: tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin) +Subject: For Sale: Misc IBM stuff +Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system +Lines: 10 + +5.25"" Internal Low density disk drive. + +Monochrome monitor + +8088 motherboard, built in parallel and serial ports, built in mono and +color output, 7Mhz. + +Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat. + +I define myself--tsa@cellar.org +",6 +9077,"From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes) +Subject: Re: harrassed at work, could use some prayers +Reply-To: noye@midway.uchicago.edu +Organization: University of Chicago +Lines: 22 + +i'd just like to repeat and emphasize that because someone else is +trying to make you feel horrible and worthless does not mean that you +should feel that way, although that's easier to say than believe +sometimes. remember, God made you and loves you, so he must think +you're something special. (excuse the trite language here.) also, +the bully may just be someone who is mean for no reason -- not out of +intentional mental torture. has anyone else been harassed? maybe +they're just not talking about it. + +i would have emailed but my reactions weren't fast enough and the post +i'm responding to didn't include your address. just take courage and +remember that all of us on the net are rooting for you. + +take care! +vera +_______________________________________________________________________________ +Hand over hand noye@midway.uchicago.edu +Doesn't seem so much (Vera Noyes) +Hand over hand +Is the strength of the common touch drop me a line if you're in the mood + - Rush, ""Hand Over Fist"" +_______________________________________________________________________________ +",15 +6971,"Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography +From: kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo) +Distribution: inet +Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ. +Nntp-Posting-Host: zariski.harvard.edu +Lines: 27 + +In article pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) writes: +> +>>Perhaps these encryption-only types would defend the digitized porn if it +>>was posted encrypted? +> +>>These issues are not as seperable as you maintain. +> +>In fact, since effective encryption makes censorship impossible, they +>are almost the same issue and they certainly fall into the brief of the +>EFF. + + +It also falls within the purview of the ACLU, but that doesn't mean +the ACLU (or the EFF) would be the most effective instrument to +""win the hearts and minds"" in favor of access to cryptography. + +It's precisely slogans like ""cryptography makes censorship impossible"" +which stand to torpedo any attempt to generate a broad consensus in favor +of encryption. It is not true, and in the context of a public debate it +would be a dangerous red herring. Advocates of strong crypto had better +prepare themselves to answer such charges in pragmatic terms that laypeople +and politicians can sympathize with. The usual mumblings about +Constitutional amendments are not enough. + + + +Tal kubo@math.harvard.edu +",11 +10445,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) +Subject: Re: Investment in Yehuda and Shomron +Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department +Lines: 12 + +In article <1993Apr18.183148.4802@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes: + +> I think ""house Jews,"" a reference to a person of Jewish +>ancestry who issues statements for a company or organization that +>condemn Judaism is perfectly sufficeint. + +I believe that CPR is himself such a ""house Jew"". + +-- +Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will +American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the +My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. +",17 +5407,"From: jerry@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com (Gerald Lanza) +Subject: Re: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu? +Keywords: Phillies +Organization: Olivetti North America (Shelton, CT) +Lines: 21 + +In article <1993Apr14.222601.21160@cabell.vcu.edu> csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) writes: +> +>After reading my local paper today, I found out that the Phillies +>started the 1964 season at 10-2. I am not as old as 1964, but I've +>heard many talk about the serious choke job the Phillies did that +>season. They were ahead of the Cardinals by 15 games that season in +>mid-August. They managed to lose a bunch from then on and the +>Cardinals took the division. 15!!! games ahead and lost it.... I +>hope this season is MUCH different. + + + Strictly from memory, I think the Phillies were something like + ten games up with 12 to go, lost 10 in a row, and 11 of last 12 + to lose to the Cardinals. Seems impossible, but thats how I + remember it. I also felt at the time that Johnny Callison of + the Phillies lost the MVP as a by-product of their swoon. + + + jerry + + P.S. In 1964, a single team out of 8 won the pennant; no divisions. +",9 +4188,"From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) +Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? +Organization: University of Virginia +Distribution: usa +Lines: 12 + + +I don't know if some lemons are out there, but from personal experience +My brother's has been trouble free. Not one single repair, only +regular maintainance. The only work he had done on it was a result +of his stupidity... he stopped suddenly in the middle of a left turn +on a busy intersection, and was rear-ended. He has a 1989 Plymouth +Sundance. I would recomend it, but I would also like to say that if +you can wait about six months, ChryCo is coming out with a new car +called the Neon, that is built in the same way as the LH's where. +Good luck with your desiscion. + + +",7 +10119,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) +Subject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #010 +Summary: Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh +Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies +Lines: 170 + + Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #010 + Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh + + +-------------------------------------------------------+ + | | + | On the way the driver says, ""In fact there aren't any | + | Armenians left. 'They burned them all, beat them all, | + | and stabbed them."" | + | | + +-------------------------------------------------------+ + +DEPOSITION OF VANYA BAGRATOVICH BAZIAN + + Born 1940 + Foreman + Baku Spetsmontazh Administration (UMSMR-1) + + Resident at Building 36/7, Apartment 9 + Block 14 + Sumgait [Azerbaijan] + + +During the first days of the events, the 27th and the 28th [of February], I +was away on a business trip. On the 10th I had got my crew, done the paper- +work, and left for the Zhdanov District. That's in Azerbaijan, near the +Nagorno Karabagh region. + +After the 14th, rumors started to the effect that in Karabagh, specifically +in Stepanakert, an uprising had taken place. They said ""uprising"" in +Azerbaijani, but I don't think it was really an uprising, just a +demonstration. After that the unrest started. Several Armenians living in the +Zhdanov District were injured. How were they injured? They were beaten, even +women; it was said that they were at the demonstrations, but they live here, +and went from here to Karabagh to demonstrate. After that I felt uneasy. There +were some conversations about Armenians among the local population: the +Armenians had done this, the Armenians had done that. Right there at the site. +I was attacked a couple of times by kids. Well true, the guys from my crew +wouldn't let them come at me with cables and knives. After that I felt really +bad. I didn't know where to go. I up and called home. And my children tell me, +""There's unrest everywhere, be careful."" Well I had a project going on. I told +the Second Secretary of the District Party Committee what had been going on +and said I wanted to take my crew off the site. They wouldn't allow it, they +said, ""Nothing's going to happen to you, we've entrusted the matter to the +police, we've warned everyone in the district, nothing will happen to you."" +Well, in fact they did especially detail us a policeman to look after me, he +knows all the local people and would protect me if something happened. This +man didn't leave me alone for five minutes: he was at work the whole time and +afterward he spent the night with us, too. + +I sense some disquiet and call home; my wife also tells me, ""The situation is +very tense, be careful."" + +We finished the job at the site, and I left for Sumgait first thing on the +morning of the 29th. When we left the guys warned me, they told me that I +shouldn't tell anyone on the way that I was an Armenian. I took someone else's +business travel documents, in the name of Zardali, and hid my own. I hid it +and my passport in my socks. We set out for Baku. Our guys were on the bus, +they sat behind, and I sat up front. In Baku they had come to me and said that +they had to collect all of our travel documents just in case. As it turns out +they knew what was happening in Sumgait. + +I arrive at the bus station and there they tell me that the city of Sumgait is +closed, there is no way to get there. That the city is closed off and the +buses aren't running. Buses normally leave Baku for Sumgait almost every two +minutes. And suddenly--no buses. Well, we tried to get there via private +drivers. One man, an Azerbaijani, said, ""Let's go find some other way to get +there."" They found a light transport vehicle and arranged for the driver to +take us to Sumgait. + +He took us there. But the others had said, ""I wouldn't go if you gave me a +thousand rubles."" ""Why?"" ""Because they're burning the city and killing the +Armenians. There isn't an Armenian left."" Well I got hold of myself so I could +still stand up. So we squared it away, the four of us got in the car, and we +set off for Sumgait. On the way the driver says, ""In fact there aren't any +Armenians left. 'They burned them all, beat them all, and stabbed them."" Well +I was silent. The whole way--20-odd miles--I was silent. The driver asks me, +""How old are you, old man?"" He wants to know: if I'm being that quiet, not +saying anything, maybe it means I'm an Armenian. ""How old are you?"" he asks +me. I say, ""I'm 47."" ""I'm 47 too, but I call you 'old man'."" I say, ""It +depends on God, each person's life in this world is different."" I look much +older than my years, that's why he called me old man. Well after that he was +silent, too. + +We're approaching the city, I look and see tanks all around, and a cordon. +Before we get to the Kavkaz store the driver starts to wave his hand. Well, he +was waving his hand, we all start waving our hands. I'm sitting there with +them, I start waving my hand, too. I realized that this was a sign that meant +there were no Armenians with us. + +I look at the city--there is a crowd of people walking down the middle of the +street, you know, and there's no traffic. Well probably I was scared. They +stopped our car. People were standing on the sidewalks. They have armature +shafts, and stones . . . And they stopped us . . . + +Along the way the driver tells us how they know who's an Armenian and who's +not. The Armenians usually . . . For example, I'm an Armenian, but I speak +their language very well. Well Armenians usually pronounce the Azeri word for +""nut,"" or ""little nut,"" as ""pundukh,"" but ""fundukh"" is actually correct. The +pronunciations are different. Anyone who says ""pundukh,"" even if they're not +Armenian, they immediately take out and start to slash. Another one says, +""There was a car there, with five people inside it,"" he says. ""They started +hitting the side of it with an axe and lit it on fire. And they didn't let the +people out,"" he says, ""they wouldn't let them get out of the car."" I only saw +the car, but the driver says that he saw everything. Well he often drives from +Baku to Sumgait and back . . . + +When they stop us we all get out of the car. I look and there's a short guy, +his eyes are gleaming, he has an armature shaft in one hand and a stone in +the other and asks the guys what nationality they are one by one. ""We're +Azerbaijani,' they tell him, 'no Armenians here."" He did come up to me when +we were pulling our things out and says, ""Maybe you're an Armenian, old man?"" +But in Azerbaijani I say, ""You should be ashamed of yourself!"" And . . . he +left. Turned and left. That was all that happened. What was I to do? I had +to . . . the city was on fire, but I had to steal my children out of my own +home. + +They stopped us at the entrance to Mir Street, that's where the Kavkaz store +and three large, 12-story buildings are. That's the beginning of down-town. I +saw that burned automobile there, completely burned, only metal remained. I +couldn't figure out if it was a Zhiguli or a Zaporozhets. Later I was told it +was a Zhiguli. And the people in there were completely incinerated. Nothing +remained of them, not even any traces. That driver had told me about it, and I +saw the car myself. The car was there. The skeleton, a metallic carcass. About +30 to 40 yards from the Kavkaz store. + +I see a military transport, an armored personnel carrier. The hatches are +closed. And people are throwing armature shafts and pieces of iron at it, the +crowd is. And I hear shots, not automatic fire, it's true, but pistol shots. +Several shots. There were Azerbaijanis crowded around that personnel carrier. +Someone in the crowd was shooting. Apparently they either wanted to kill the +soldiers or get a machine gun or something. At that point there was only one +armored personnel carrier. And all the tanks were outside the city, cordoning +off Sumgait. + +I walked on. I see two Azerbaijanis going home from the plant. I can tell by +their gait that they're not bandits, they're just people, walking home. I +joined them so in case something happened, in case someone came up to us +and asked questions, either of us would be in a position to answer, you see. +But I avoided the large groups because I'm a local and might be quickly +recognized. I tried to keep at a distance, and walked where there were fewer +people. Well so I walked into Microdistrict 2, which is across from our block. +I can't get into our block, but I walked where there were fewer people, so as +to get around. Well there I see a tall guy and 25 to 30 people are walking +behind him. And he's shouting into a megaphone: ""Comrades, the Armenian- +Azerbaijani war has begun!"" + +The police have megaphones like that. So they're talking and walking around +the second microdistrict. I see that they're coming my way, and turn off +behind a building. I noticed that they walked around the outside buildings, +and inside the microdistricts there were about 5 or 6 people standing on every +corner, and at the middles of the buildings, and at the edges. What they were +doing I can't say, because I couldn't get up close to them, I was afraid. But +the most important thing was to get away from there, to get home, and at least +find out if my children were alive or not . . . + + April 20, 1988 + Yerevan + + - - - reference - - - + +[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan, + Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by + Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 158-160 + + +-- +David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on +S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't +P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" +Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 +",17 +7307,"From: thompson@cactus.org (Charles Thompson) +Subject: How does ""Differential Mode"" GPS work??? +Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx +Lines: 15 + + + +I understand that the new GPS boxes now have an option +known as ""differential ready"". Apparently land-based +beacons tranmit GPS correction information to your GPS +receiver (with differential option installed). + +How does this system work? What frequency is used for +the land-based beacons? + +Thanks in advance, + +Charlie Thompson +. + +",12 +1249,"From: ccastco@prism.gatech.EDU (Constantinos Malamas) +Subject: Re: Is ms-windows a ""mature"" OS? +Keywords: ms-windows +Distribution: usa +Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology +Lines: 46 + +In article Jesse writes: +>hi, +> Have you used Mac system 6.x or 7.x? If the answer is positive, you would +>know if ms-windows is a ""mature"" OS. +> +> Days ago people doubted that ms-windows is not a real OS. I can see why +>they have such question. Ms-windows confuses many people. Microsoft + +[Common complaints about MS Windows deleted...] + +>Jesse +>e-mail:cyen@cs.unt.edu/ic43@sol.acs.unt.edu + + Hmmmm, why do I get the feeling that this is gonna start one of +those endless threads 'Mac Vs Win"" and might even end up as ""OS/2 Vs Win"". +Well, I dont know if Windows is a mature OS, if I have seen one (in which +case that has to be X-Windows :) ), but dont be so quick to judge... +First of all to try to use plain vanilla Windows is as courageous as to try +to use plain vanilla DOS. There are _lots_ of very nice commercial and +shareware packages/utilities that will boost up Windows past what MS itself +thought possible :)... For example, Norton Desktop for Windows 2.0 (a replace- +ment for ProgMan) will give you group-within-a-group capability and will +even change group icons, it will launch progs by association (well, FileMan +does that too) or by dragging the file in the apps icon (now Mac doesnt do +that, huh? :) )... And the list goes on and on... Now, Windows _is_ kinda +hard to finetune, boost and configure, but thats trhe price to pay for not +paying $$$ to get a Mac or an OS/2 capable machine (an entirely differet +story ...)... On the other hand if you dont like the idea of PM's icons +not correspnding to the files themselves, well they are not supposed to :).. +PM is a Program _Launching_ utility not a file manager... Modify your +settings to have FM as your shell and not PM, or get a couple of utilities +from cica that supposedly give you a 'Mac feel'... I dont wanna get in the +discussion which is a better system: Mac's are good in their own way -- they +are _different_ not better or worse than Win PCs-- (actually I am writing +this from a Mac lab as a user assistant - so dont think I am partial to Win:) ) +By all means check out the stuff in cica (ftp to ftp.cica.indiana.edu under +the pub/pc/win3 subdir user: anonymous), or wait for StarTrek (Mac's OS on +a PC !!! -- the threads we are gonna have then !!! :) )... +Just trying to avoid another Mac-Win war... + + +-- +Costas Malamas ____________________________________________________________ +Georgia Institute of Technology +OIT UA -- Opinions expressed are not necessarily OIT's... +Internet: ccastco@prism.gatech.edu +",2 +3320,"From: Iris_-_Smith@cup.portal.com +Subject: Re: Drawing Lines (inverse/xor) +Organization: The Portal System (TM) + <1993Apr21.111919.5281@alf.uib.no> +Lines: 3 + +You can also set the Foreground to the XOR of the foreground and background +colors: XSetForeground(..., fg ^ bg); This works great for me (at least +with TrueColor visuals). +",5 +8655,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) +Subject: SIRTF Mission is Still Alive +Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory +Lines: 114 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov +Keywords: SIRTF, JPL +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +From the ""JPL Universe"" +April 23, 1993 + +SIRTF is still very much in business + +By Mark Whalen + In these times of extra-tight NASA budgets, the very +survival of a number of missions has been uncertain. But thanks +to major design refinements implemented in recent months, JPL's +Space Infrared Telescope Facility (SIRTF) -- a major project +considered to be in trouble a couple of years ago -- is ""alive +and well,"" according to Project Scientist Michael Werner. + A lighter spacecraft, revised orbit and shorter mission have +added up to a less expensive project with ""tremendous scientific +power"" and a bright future, said Werner. + Designed as a follow-up to the highly successful Infrared +Astronomical Satellite (IRAS) and Cosmic Background Explorer +(COBE) missions, SIRTF -- a cryogenically cooled observatory for +infrared astronomy from space -- is scheduled for launch in 2000 +or 2001 if plans proceed as scheduled. + IRAS' pioneering work in space-based infrared astronomy 10 +years ago allowed astronomers to view the Milky Way as never +before and revealed, among other things, 60,000 galaxies and 25 +comets. It provided a sky survey 1,000 times more sensitive than +any previously available from ground-based observations. COBE has +measured the infrared and microwave background radiation on large +angular scales, and revealed new facts about the early universe. + But to illuminate SIRTF's potential, Jim Evans, JPL's +manager of Astrophysics and Fundamental Physics Pre-Projects, +recently said that the project is ""1,000 to 1 million times more +capable than IRAS,"" based on technological advances in infrared +detector arrays. + However, despite the enormous strides in infrared +exploration SIRTF promised, and the fact that it was cited as the +highest priority new initiative for all of astronomy in the 1990s +(by the National Academy of Sciences), it took a ""diet or die"" +directive from NASA Headquarters last year to keep the project +going, according to Werner. + The project is now known as Atlas SIRTF, based on the key +factor in its new design: The satellite will orbit the sun +instead of the Earth, permitting the use of an Atlas rocket +launch instead of the formerly proposed and heavier Titan. ""The +main advantage of the solar orbit is that you can use all of your +launch capability for boosting the payload -- you don't have to +carry up a second rocket to circularize the orbit,"" Werner said. +The other advantage to a solar orbit, he said, is that ""it's in a +better thermal environment, away from the heat of the Earth."" + Additional major changes in SIRTF's redesign include +shortening the mission from five to three years and building a +spacecraft that is less than half as heavy as in the original +plan -- Atlas SIRTF will weigh 2,470 kilograms (5,400 pounds) +compared to Titan SIRTF's 5,500 kilograms (12,100 pounds). + All of that adds up to ""a less stressful launch +environment,"" Werner said, and a cost savings of more than $200 +million for the launch, in addition to increased savings in the +design of the smaller, less massive spacecraft. + Werner said SIRTF's redesign came as a result of Congress' +telling NASA ""you're trying to do too many things. If you want us +to support SIRTF, which is a good project, develop a plan to see +how it fits into (NASA's) overall strategy."" + Shortly thereafter, SIRTF was named as NASA's highest +priority ""flagship"" scientific mission by the interdisciplinary +Space Sciences Advisory Committee, in addition to the blessing +from the National Academy of Sciences. + While the spacecraft and its instruments required descoping +to keep the project alive, SIRTF's major scientific contribution +always promised to come about from its advanced infrared detector +arrays, which will allow images to be developed ""tens of +thousands of times faster"" than before, according to Evans. + ""Up until a couple of years ago,"" Werner said, ""all infrared +astronomy was done with single detectors -- or very small arrays +of individually assembled detectors. Since then, the Department +of Defense has developed a program to produce arrays of tens or +hundreds of thousands of detectors, rather than just a few, and +those are very well suited for use on SIRTF."" + Werner noted that in addition to dealing with budget +pressures, Congress is currently watching NASA projects with an +eye out for any ""technological spinoff."" + ""On that question, I think we have some things to say,"" he +said, ""because the detectors we're using are straight off various +military developments. Also, SIRTF will be built by the U.S. +aerospace industry, and it's a real technological and engineering +challenge in addition to being a tremendous scientific project. + ""SIRTF will be used by the entire astronomical community,"" +Werner added, but the revised three-year mission ""puts a premium +on observing time. We have to educate the user community and +develop a program that involves early surveys and quick +turnaround of the data."" + Werner said the downsizing of the project required a +reduction in scope and complexity of SIRTF's three instruments -- +the infrared spectrograph, infrared array camera and multiband +imaging photometer. However, these reductions will only result in +losses of efficiency rather than capability, he said. + The project hopes to start a ""Phase B"" activity in 1995, +which will provide a detailed concept for development and design. +Building the hardware would begin about two years later. + Projected cost estimates, Evans said, are $850 million-$950 +million. + ""I am very optimistic about SIRTF,"" he said. ""It will +provide a tremendous return for the investment."" + Werner added that an additional benefit from the project +will be the ""enrichment of our intellectual and cultural +environment. People on the street are very interested in +astronomy ... black holes, the possibility of life on other +planets, the origin of the universe ... and those are the kind of +questions SIRTF will help answer."" + ### + ___ _____ ___ + /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov + | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | + ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand +/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and +|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. + +",14 +420,"From: Steve_Mullins@vos.stratus.com +Subject: Re: Bible Quiz +Organization: Stratus Computer, Marlboro Ma. +Lines: 20 +NNTP-Posting-Host: m72.eng.stratus.com + + +In article <1993Apr16.130430.1@ccsua.ctstateu.edu> kellyb@ccsua.ctstateu.edu wrote: +>In article , kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: +>> Only when the Sun starts to orbit the Earth will I accept the Bible. +>> +> Since when does atheism mean trashing other religions?There must be a God + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +> of inbreeding to which you are his only son. + + +a) I think that he has a rather witty .sig file. It sums up a great + deal of atheistic thought (IMO) in one simple sentence. +b) Atheism isn't an ""other religion"". + + +sm +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +Steve_Mullins@vos.stratus.com () ""If a man empties his purse into his +My opinions <> Stratus' opinions () head, no one can take it from him +------------------------------ () ---------------Benjamin Franklin +",0 +7859,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Subject: Re: Helium non-renewable?? (was: Too many MRIs?) +Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science +Lines: 18 + +In article turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: +>-*---- +>How does the helium get consumed? I would have thought that failure +>to contain it perfectly would result in its evaporation .. back into +>the atmosphere. Sounds like a cycle to me. Obviously, it takes +>energy to run the cycle, but I seriously doubt that helium consumption +>is a resource issue. +> +It's not a cycle. Free helium will escape from the atmosphere due to +its high velocity. It won't be practical to recover it. It has +to be mined. + + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +",13 +9417,"From: crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com (Ron Phillips) +Subject: Armed Citizen - April '93 +Nntp-Posting-Host: hound +Reply-To: crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com +Organization: ""Intergraph Electronics, Mountain View, CA"" +Distribution: usa +Lines: 150 + + +THE ARMED CITIZEN ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +Mere presence of a firearm, without a shot being fired, prevents +crime in many instances, as shown by news reports sent to The +Armed Citizen. Shooting usually can be justified only where +crime constitutes an immediate, imminent threat to life or limb +or, in some circumstances, property. The accounts below are from +clippings sent in by NRA members. Anyone is free to quote or +reproduce them. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +================================================================== + Retired Las Vegas deputy police chief Larry Bolden initially +tried to defend himself with a steering wheel bar lock when a +criminal attacked him in his car. But then the intruder wrestled +it from him, Bolden pulled his pistol and fired several times, +wounding his attacker and stopping the incident. ""He was just a +citizen defending himself,"" a police official said. + (The Review-Journal, Las Vegas, Nev., 11/11/92) +================================================================== + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +================================================================== + A pair of teenaged robbers armed with a sawed-off shotgun and +handguns took the day's receipts from Brooklyn bodega owner Hector +Martinez. As they made their getaway, Martinez grabbed his +registered 12-gauge shotgun and gave chase. When one fired, +Martinez returned three blasts, slightly wounding his assailants. +They fled but were apprehended when they sought medical attention. + (Newsday, Long Island, N.Y., 01/05/93) +================================================================== + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +================================================================== + A sign posted on the door of Roman Paras' shop reads ""The +owners of this property are armed and highly skilled to protect +life, liberty and property from criminal attack."" Apparently, a +pair of robbers didn't pause to read it as they threatened Paras' +wife in their Oxnard, Calif., convenience store. Hearing her +scream, Paras grabbed his .38, ran to the front of the store and +shot it out with the masked and armed men, killing one criminal. + (The Times, Los Angeles, Calif., 12/04/92) +================================================================== + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +================================================================== + Anne Marie Sullivan was showering in her Portland, Oreg., home +one morning when she heard the front door crash in. She jumped +out of the shower in time to see a man entering the home. Running +to the bedroom, Sullivan retrieved her boyfriend's pistol and +fired two shots, mortally wounding the intruder. The dead man had +a lengthy police and prison record. + (The Oregonian, Portland, Oreg., 01/07/93) +================================================================== + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +================================================================== + Mike Baranelli would have let two robbers who burst into a +Birmingham, Ala., barber shop keep his money. But the 75-year-old +retired teacher was unwilling to surrender his life. When the +intruders ordered Baranelli, the shop owner, and another man to +lie on the floor, Baranelli pulled his pistol and shot both men in +the head, killing one. ""I felt sure there was going to be three +dead people in there. I think I had some divine help,"" Baranelli +said. + (The Sunday Advertiser, Montgomery, Ala., 01/03/93) +================================================================== + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +================================================================== + Believing an elderly Harvey, Ill., couple would again be easy +prey, a knife-wielding home invader instead met death when the +76-year-old homeowner loosed three rounds from a semi-automatic +pistol. Police said the dead man had been charged several times +for thefts from the couple's home. + (The Star, Chicago Heights, Ill., 01/07/93) +================================================================== + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +================================================================== + The criminal's profile was scheduled to appear on ""America's +Most Wanted,"" but his shot at fame was abruptly canceled by a +Hallandale, Fla., service station clerk. The Michigan prison +escapee walked into the station and announced a robbery. Instead +of cash, he got bullets in the head and chest from station clerk +Gary McVey. Police said McVey acted in self-defense and would not +face charges. + (The Sun-Sentinel, Ft. Lauderdale, Fla., 12/04/92) +================================================================== + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +================================================================== + A Bridgeport, Conn., oil delivery man handed over the few +dollars he had. But the thug, apparently unsatisfied with his +take, turned his gun on his victim and demanded more money. +Instead of more cash, the deliveryman instead pulled his own +pistol and fired, mortally wounding the robber. Police said the +dead man had held up a nearby market just before the fatal +incident. + (The Courant, Hartford, Conn., 01/13/93) +================================================================== + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +================================================================== + After repeated burglaries at her San Marcos, Calif., home, Joan +Vessel, 64, was ready with a .38 and a cordless phone when she +heard glass breaking one afternoon. When she found two teenagers +attempting to get into her woodshed, Vessel fired a warning shot +over their heads, marched them into the front yard and called +police. + (The Times Advocate, Escondido, Calif., 12/25/92) +================================================================== + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +================================================================== + Angry that his auto insurance had been canceled, a client used +brass knuckles to take it out on Brandon, Fla., agent Steven +Taylor. When his assailant walked out of the office, Taylor +grabbed a pistol kept there and held the former client at gun- +point until police arrived. + (The Tribune, Tampa, Fla., 01/14/93) +================================================================== + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +================================================================== + Dozing one evening at his Exeter, Pa., office, Jim Pisano was +awakened by the barking of his dog. Sitting in stunned amazement, +he watched as two men smashed out his office window, reached in +and grabbed one of his hunting rifles. Reaching a pistol on his +desk, Pisano fired several shots, apparently wounding one of the +burglars, and putting them to flight. + (The Times-Leader, Wilkes-Barre, Pa., 12/09/92) +================================================================== + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +================================================================== + Trying on a pair of shoes was just an act for a criminal who +then pulled a knife and demanded money. When the man advanced, +the Flint, Mich., shoestore owner drew his pistol and fired, +critically wounding the would-be robber. + (The Journal, Flint, Mich., 01/13/93) +================================================================== + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +================================================================== + Disarmed and pistol whipped after struggling with a pair of +shotgun-toting thugs, Brooklyn, N.Y., pharmacist Soel Melero +continued fighting and managed to retrieve a second-also licensed- +hidden pistol. Firing three times, the druggist killed one of his +assailants. The other fled empty-handed. + (The Daily News, New York, N.Y., 01/18/93) +================================================================== +-- +************************************************************* +*Ron Phillips crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com * +*Senior Customer Engineer * +*Intergraph Electronics * +*381 East Evelyn Avenue VOICE: (415) 691-6473 * +*Mountain View, CA 94041 FAX: (415) 691-0350 * +************************************************************* +",16 +11177,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) +Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! +Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau +Lines: 25 + +In article <1993Apr19.165717.25790@ra.royalroads.ca>, +mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote: +> +> It is true what you stated above: Jesus' saving grace is available to +> everyone, not just Jews. In other words, everyone can have salvation but +> not everyone will. This option is now open to people other than just +> Jews. Of course, if the Jews don't accept the deity of Christ, I would +> hardly expect them to accept anything that Christ said. But I don't feel +> any animosity towards them. Even though they persecuted Jesus and his +> disciples and eventually crucified Him, I bear them no ill will. If anything, +> I feel pity for them. Jesus had to die to pay the price for our sins and +> so the Jews were merely fulfilling prophesy. Jesus knew He had to die even +> before He began His ministry. That demonstrates the great depth of His love +> for us. + +Jesus certainly demonstrated the great depth of his love for the +children who died today at the Davidian complex. + +Sorry, but the events today made me even more negative concering +organized religion. + +Cheers, +Kent +--- +sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. +",19 +1399,"From: shiva@leland.Stanford.EDU (Matt Jacobson) +Subject: Windows Errors and a bad memory +Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA +Lines: 18 + +Hi. My last question for the year. I have a mail-order no-name notebook +with 4 meg ram. I never have problems with my huge ramdisk or when +running desqview, but Win3.1 and W4W2.0 constantly crash on me, most +commonly citing a ""memory parity error."" The only thing I can do is TURN +OFF and re-boot. My CMOS ticks off & counts all the memory every startup, +and there is never a problem with this either. + +Could it be a bug in my Windows copy instead of the hardware? I remember +having some disk error problems when installing it. + + +Is there any change I could make to lessen the frequency or likelyhood of +this happening (I think win vs win /s produce different crashes, but both +crash frequently nonetheless) + +I know this is a pain, but PLEASE answer by EMAIL because my home account +doesn't have rn. And I will stop asking questions now. Thank you. +Chet Pager = chetter@ucthpx.uct.ac.za +",2 +10254,"From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il +Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism +Distribution: world +Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem +Lines: 45 + +In article <1rd7eo$1a4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes: +> +> In a previous article, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) says: +> +>>In article <1993Apr24.203620.6531@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: +>>>I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in +>>>reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering +>>>reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is +>>>interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda. +>> +>>Since one is also unlikely to get ""the truth"" from either Arab or +>>Palestinian news outlets, where do we go to ""understand"", to learn? +>>Is one form of propoganda more reliable than another? +> +> There are many neutral human rights organizations which always report +> on the situation in the O.T. But, as most people used to see on TV, the +> Israelis do not allow them to go deep there in the O.T. The Israelis +> used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters. + + +Anas, of course ! The YAHUD needed blood for the matza. After all, Passover +*was* last month :-) + +Why don't you give us your National Geographic travelogue of your recent trip +to ""Palestine"" ? Or are you too disappointed by what you saw ? :-) + +Josh +backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL + + + + + + + +> So, this is another kind of terrorism committed by the Jews in Palestine. +> They do not allow fair and neutral coverage of the situation in Palestine. +> +>>to determine that is to try and get beyond the writer's ""political +>>agenda"", whether it is ""on"" or ""against"" our *side*. +>> +>>Tim +> +> Anas Omran +> +",17 +9223,"From: s0612596@let.rug.nl (M.M. Zwart) +Subject: catholic church poland +Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, NL +Lines: 10 + +Hello, + +I'm writing a paper on the role of the catholic church in Poland after 1989. +Can anyone tell me more about this, or fill me in on recent books/articles( +in english, german or french). Most important for me is the role of the +church concerning the abortion-law, religious education at schools, +birth-control and the relation church-state(government). Thanx, + + Masja, +""M.M.Zwart"" +",15 +7660,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Subject: Re: Need Info on RSD +Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science +Lines: 13 + +In article <1993Mar27.004627.21258@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM> lrd@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM writes: +>I just started working for a rehabilitation hospital and have seen RSD +>come up as a diagnosis several times. What exactly is RSD and what is +>the nature of it? If there is a FAQ on this subject, I'd really +>appreciate it if someone would mail it to me. While any and all + +Reflex sympathetic dystrophy. I'm sure there's an FAQ, as I have +made at least 10 answers to questions on it in the last year or so. +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +",13 +7775,"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) +Subject: Re: Need advice with doctor-patient relationship problem +Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu +Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens +Lines: 9 + +Sounds as though his heart's in the right place, but he is not adept at +expressing it. What you received was _meant_ to be a profound apology. +Apologies delivered by overworked shy people often come out like that... + +-- +:- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** +:- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* +:- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * +:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< +",13 +2908,"From: coe@leopard.cs.uidaho.edu (Mike Coe) +Subject: window manager +Organization: /users/student/coe/.organization +Lines: 19 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: leopard.cs.uidaho.edu + + + + +I currently use a window manager called ctwm which +is very similar to hp's vuewm. (i.e. +it has multiple workspaces). Is there a +motif based window manager that has this +same feature and is not a memory pig like vue? + + + +mike + +-- +Michael L Coe | ""A mind is a terrible thing."" +Laboratory of Applied Logic | +University of Idaho | +coe@leopard.cs.uidaho.edu | +coe861@snake.cs.uidaho.edu +",5 +2453,"From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) +Subject: Re: Interesting ADB behaviour on C650 +Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park +Lines: 22 +NNTP-Posting-Host: tea.eng.umd.edu + +In article <1ql7naINN2l8@shelley.u.washington.edu> davisson@stein.u.washington.edu (Gordon Davisson) writes: + +>Mind you, this doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. The parts that can +>blow (the ADB power fuse and RF filter) aren't too expensive, so IF you +>have a someone around who can do component-level repair, it may be worth +>the risk (especially if you're around Seattle, 'cause you might get to +>pay *me* to fix it :-)).. On the other hand, if your only repair option +>is the Apple-standard logic board swap (major $$$$), you should probably +>play it safe. +> +> +>SCSI: yes, ADB: yes, Floppies: yes... They can all cause trouble. + +OTOH, some of us get lucky-- I've unplugged and replugged SCSI and ADB +quite often, and never blown anything. I blew out the ADB by shorting +the cable, though. + +-- +Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu +Some news readers expect ""Disclaimer:"" here. +Just say NO to police searches and seizures. Make them use force. +(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice) +",4 +10542,"From: cogsdell@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (tony c) +Subject: GUILTY .. or NOT GUILTY.........(comparitive fault law) +Article-I.D.: mentor.C51uAI.586 +Organization: Purdue University Computing Center +Lines: 6 + +Thanks to everyone who sent replies regarding this case. A few of them were +very informative and helped very much. + + + Once again. + THANKS! T.C. +",18 +4711,"From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) +Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post +Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division +Lines: 18 + +In article mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes: +> +>Obcountersteer: For some reason, I've discovered that pulling on the +>wrong side of the handlebars (rather than pushing on the other wrong +>side, if you get my meaning) provides a feeling of greater control. For +>example, rather than pushing on the right side to lean right to turn +>right (Hi, Lonny!), pulling on the left side at least until I get leaned +>over to the right feels more secure and less counter-intuitive. Maybe +>I need psychological help. + +I told a newbie friend of mine, who was having trouble from the complicated +explanations of his rider course, to think of using the handlebars to lean, +not to turn. Push the right handlebar ""down"" (or pull left up or whatever) +to lean right. It worked for him, he stopped steering with his tuchus. + +I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV + got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca + ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada +",8 +6080,"From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) +Subject: AHL Season in review (off ice stuff) +Organization: Clarkson University +Lines: 114 +Nntp-Posting-Host: craft.clarkson.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +Here is a review of some of the off-ice things that have +affected the AHL this year. + + +ST JOHN'S MAPLE LEAFS PROBLEMS +The St John's Maple Leafs sophomore season has been plagued by +problems. On-ice, the Leafs won the Atlantic Division title but +off ice was less happy. A strike by public workers has forced the +leafs out of the Newfoundland city for much of the last half of +the seaosn (since mid-Jan). They have played ""home"" games in places +like Montreal, Cornwall and Charlottetown. Their playoff ""home"" +games will be played in the Metro Center in Halifax, NS. One +demostration got violent. Workers attacked a Leafs' bus and +rocked it and broke windows in the St John's Memorial Stadium. +Despite the problems, Toronto officials insist that the Leafs +will return to St John's once the strike ends. +=================================================== +SENATORS SOLD +The New Haven Senators have been sold by Peter Shipman to +the Ottawa Senators NHL organization. They are the only Canadian +NHL team with an American AHL affiliate, and have made it clear +they intend to move the team to somewhere in the Canadian Atlantic +Provinces. This sale and move has yet to be approved by the AHL +head office, but is expected to pass easily at the general meeting +in May. The quote in the story from Jack Butterfield made it +clear the league was more interested in the stability of the +AHL franchise accompanied by NHL ownership, rather than maintaining +the 56-year history of the AHL in New Haven. + +The Senators are currently in serious negotiations with Charlottetown +New Brunswick and are expected to move there. +================================================== +DALLAS HELPS HAWKS STAY IN MONCTON +After announcing that they would pull their affiliation out +of Moncton, the Winnipeg Jets changed their mind. + +The Jets announced the move when they said that they would be slashing +their minor league roster from 20-something to around a dozen; and they +wanted to share with an existing AHL or IHL franchise. + +Enter the Dallas Lone Stars. Dallas agreed to supply the remaining +6 or 8 players to the Moncton franchise. Thus keeping the Hawks +in the New Brunswick city. + +The deal is for one year and will be extended to three years if +the season ticket base increases to over 3000. The Hawks only sold +1400 for this year. +============================================================ +SAINT JOHN FLAMES OFFICIAL +The Calgary Flames have officially signed a deal with the city of +Saint John, NB. The Saint John Blue Flames will play in the 6200 +Exhibition Center. The Flames still have to apply for an expansion +frnachise from the AHL but are expected to have no trouble. +========================================================= +CAPS FOLLOW JACKS TO MAINE +Despite rumors to the contrary, the Capitals will follow the Baltimore +Skipjacks to Maine. The Caps' current farm team, the Baltimore Skipjacks, +announced that they would move to Maine and become the Portland Pirates. +There was much doubt as to if the Caps would follow but they announced +a limited deal with Portland. They would supply a dozen or so players +including 2 goalies. They become the third team to announce a limited +farm team along with Moncton and the Capital District Islanders. +====================================================== +AHL GAME OF THE WEEK +In early January, the AHL started a game of the week. The game, produced +by, I believe, Pyman Productions, was televised across the Canadian +Maritimes and northeastern US. The first few weeks saw two games of +the week, one in Canada and another in the US but since then, there +has been only one. Sunday afternoon and night games were covered and +shown on Sportschannel NY and NE in the US and, I believe, Atlantic +Sports Network in Canada (but I'm not sure about that). I am not +sure if playoff games will be covered. +===================================================== +UTICA GONE? SYRACUSE ADDED? +There were heavy rumors that the Utica Devils will not be around next +season. There were rumors that they might be headed to a midwestern +city and that the city of Syracuse is trying to lure them. +===================================================== +WHAT THE AHL MIGHT LOOK LIKE NEXT YEAR + +ONE OPTION ANOTHER OPTION + +Northern Division Southern Division +ADIRONDACK RED WINGS ADIRONDACK +SPRINGFIELD INDIANS SPRINGFIELD +PROVIDENCE BRUINS PROVIDENCE +CD ISLANDERS CDI +PORTLAND PIRATES HERSHEY + BINGHAMTON +Southern Division ROCHESTER +HERSHEY BEARS HAMILTON +BINGHAMTON RANGERS UTICA +ROCHESTER AMERICANS +HAMILTON CANUCKS Atlantic Division +UTICA (?) DEVILS PORTLAND + ST JOHN'S +Atlantic Division SAINT JOHN +ST JOHN'S MAPLE LEAFS MONCTON +MONCTON HAWKS HALIFAX +HALIFAX CITADELS FREDERICTON +CAPE BRETON OILERS CAPE BRETON +FREDERICTON CANADIENS CHARLOTTETOWN +SAINT JOHN BLUE FLAMES +CHARLOTTETOWN SENATORS (move is unofficial as yet) + + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + + Bri Farenell farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu + + + AHL and ECAC contact for rec.sport.hockey Go USA Hockey! + + + Adirondack Red Wings, Calder Cup Champs: '81 '86 '89 '92 + + + Clarkson Hockey, ECAC Tournament Champ: '66 '91 '93 + + + Glens Falls High School, Division II NY State Champs: '90 '91 + + + Join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu + + + CONGRATS TO CLARKSON GOLDEN KNIGHTS HOCKEY: 1993 ECAC CHAMPIONS!!! + + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +",10 +1459,"From: pwb@aerg.canberra.edu.au (Paul Blackman) +Subject: Re: Workspace Manager for Win 3.1 ? +Organization: University of Canberra +Lines: 26 + +In article <1r5uml$620@werple.apana.org.au> jamie@zikzak.apana.org.au (Jamie Scuglia) writes: +>Are there any Workspace Managers out there for Windows 3.1 ? + +Try WorkShift by Karl Thoreddson. The latest version is 2.0 (or later?) but +the following is at Cica in the Desktop directory. +WRKSFT16 ZIP : WorkShift Graphical Virtual Desktop (ver 1.6) + +Or email Karl and ask him to put version 2.0 up +Karl's email: karlth@rhi.hi.is (from the MS-Write file of v1.6) + +I was Beta tester for WorkShift and must say it is very good +(I gain nothing from saying that). +It'll even remember your WorkShifts (WorkSpaces as you said) between +Windows sessions. + +>Thanks in advance. +Your Welcome. +~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ + o | Paul Blackman pwb@science.canberra.edu.au + o | Water Research Centre, pwb@aerg.canberra.edu.au + o _ | Faculty of Applied Science + -- ("") o | University of Canberra, Australia. + \_|_-- |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + | | ""Spend a little love and get high"" + _/ \_ | - Lenny Kravitz +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +",2 +4396,"From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) +Subject: Re: Opel owners? +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 30 + +boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: + +>In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: +>>gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes: +>>>I'm looking for information on Opel cars. Now you ask, which model? +>>>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater, +>>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking. My +>>>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition, +>>>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run +>>>for a while. Does anyone have any info on these cars? The engine +>>>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and +>>>I am quite interested in it. +>>>Thanks! +>>>Darren Gibbons +>>>gibbonsa@sfu.ca +>> +>> This would be the manta, would it not??? Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader???? + +>Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I'd guess that this is on the same +>chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily +>be wrong. I think the later Kadett's were sold here as Buick Opels. + +>Craig + + I think the Manta is the European name for the ""GT."" I'm pretty sure +that the only Kadett's sold here were/are the Pontiac LeMans. I think the +GT is just an early '70s to mid '70s Manta. +-- +Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu +*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA******** +",7 +5778,"From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) +Subject: Re: WFAN +Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences +Lines: 27 +Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu + +In article <1993Apr16.174843.28111@cabell.vcu.edu> csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) writes: +>On the serious side: Maybe we should have a sub for Sports Radio/TV. +> +>As much as people complain about one station or another, the +>information you hear is a lot more in depth than what you can get on +>the AP wire or USA Today. So, to benefit those who have favorite +>teams outside of their vicinity, this would do wonders. People can +>get on and talk about what Cataldi said about the Eagles or what +>Lupica said of the Bonilla incident etc. This can be for any station +>across the country. Anyone agree? + + +I agree, although I would have no idea how to go about doing it. But +you've got my vote. + + +--I'm outta here like Vladimir +--Alan + +=========================================================================== +| ""What's this? This is ice. This is what happens to water when it gets | +| too cold. This? This is Kent. This is what happens to people when | +| they get too sexually frustrated."" | +| -Val Kilmer, ""Real Genius"" | +=========================================================================== + + +",9 +10171,"From: arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) +Subject: More on ADL spying case +Organization: USC/Information Sciences Institute +Lines: 222 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: grl.isi.edu + +Los Angeles Times, Tuesday, April 13, 1993. P. A1. + +NEW DETAILS OF EXTENSIVE ADL SPY OPERATION EMERGE + + * INQUIRY: Transcripts reveal nearly 40 years of espionage + by a man who infiltrated political groups + +By Richard C. Paddock, Times staff writer. + +SAN FRANCISCO -- To the outside world, Roy Bullock was a small-time +art dealer who operated from his house in the Castro District. In +reality, he was an undercover spy who picked through garbage and +amassed secret files for the Anti-Defamation League for nearly 40 +years. + +His code name at the prominent Jewish organization was Cal, and he was +so successful at infiltrating political groups that he was once chosen +to head an Arab-American delegation that visited Rep. Nancy Pelosi +(D-San Francisco) in her Washington, D.C., office. + +For a time, Cal tapped into the phone message system of the White +Aryan Resistance to learn of hate crimes. From police sources he +obtained privileged, personal information on at least 1,394 people. +And he met surreptitiously with agents of the South African government +to trade his knowledge for crisp, new $100 bills. + +These are among the secrets that Bullock and David Gurvitz, a former +Los Angeles-based operative, divulged in extensive interviews with +police and the FBI in a growing scandal over the nation-wide +intelligence network operated by the Anti-Defamation League. + +Officials of the Anti-Defamation League, while denying any improper +activity, have said they will cooperate with the investigation. They +have refused to discuss Bullock and Gurvitz. + +Transcripts of the interviews -- among nearly 700 pages of documents +released by San Francisco prosecutors last week -- offer new details +of the private spy operation that authorities allege crossed the line +into illegal territory. + +At times, the intelligence activities took on a cloak-and-dagger air +with laundered payments, shredded documents, hotel rendezvous with +foreign agents and code names like ""Ironsides"" and ""Flipper."" + +On one occasion, Gurvitz recounts, he received a tip that a +pro-Palestinian activist was about to board a plane bound for Haifa, +Israel. Although the Anti-Defamation League publicly denies any ties +to Israel, Gurvitz phoned an Israeli consular official to warn him. +Shortly afterward, another official called Gurvitz back and debriefed +him. + +The court papers also added to the mystery of Tom Gerard, a former CIA +agent and San Francisco police officer accused of providing +confidential material from police files to the Anti-Defamation League. + +Gerard fled to the Philippines last fall after he was interviewed by +the FBI, but left behind a briefcase in his police locker. Its +contents included passports, driver's licenses and identification +cards in 10 different names; identification cards in his own name for +four American embassies in Central America; and a collection of blank +birth certificates, Army discharge papers and official stationery from +various agencies. + +Also in the briefcase were extensive information on death squads, a +black hood, apparently for use in interrogations, and photos of +blindfolded and chained men. + +Investigators suspect that Gerard and other police sources gave the +ADL confidential driver's license or vehicle registration information +on a vast number of people, including as many as 4,500 members of one +target group, the Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee. + +Each case of obtaining such data from a law enforcement officer would +constitute a felony, San Francisco Police Inspector Ron Roth noted in +an affidavit for a search warrant. + +The Anti-Defamation League, a self-described Jewish defense and civil +rights organization, acknowledges it has long collected information on +groups that are anti-Semitic, extremist or racist. The ADL's +fact-finding division, headed by Irwinn Suall in New York, enjoys a +reputation for thoroughness and has often shared its information with +police agencies and journalists. + +However, evidence seized from Bullock's computer shows he kept files +on at least 950 groups of all political stripes, including the +American Civil Liberties Union, Earth Island Institute, the United +Farm Workers, Jews for Jesus, Mother Jones magazine, the Center for +Investigative Reporting, the Bo Gritz for President Committee, the +Asian Law Caucus and the AIDS activist group ACT UP. + +The computer files also included information on several members of +Congress, including Pelosi, House Armed Services Committee Chairman +Ron Dellums (D-Berkeley) and former Republican Rep. Pete McCloskey +from the Bay Area. + +In their statements, Bullock and Gurvitz said the Anti-Defamation +League has collected information on political activists in the Los +Angeles area for more than 30 years. They said they worked closely +with three Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies who specialized in +intelligence work, a Los Angeles Police Department anti-terrorism +expert and a San Diego County Sheriff's Department intelligence +officer. + +A spokesman for the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department said he knew +nothing of any contact between the deputies and the ADL. The Los +Angeles Police Department, which earlier refused to cooperate with the +investigation, and the San Diego Sheriff's Department declined +comment. + +Bullock, 58, is one of the most intriguing characters in the spy +drama. Although he is not Jewish, he began working undercover as a +volunteer for the ADL and the FBI in Indiana in 1954 after reading a +book about a man who infiltrated the Communist Party. + +Bullock moved to Los Angeles in 1960 and was given a paid position by +the ADL as an intelligence operative, he told authorities. In the +mid-1970s, he moved to San Francisco and continued his spy operations +up and down the West Coast. + +To keep his identity secret, his salary has always been funneled +through Beverly Hills attorney Bruce I. Hochman -- who has never +missed a payment in more than 32 years, Bullock said. + +""I was an investigator for the ADL. I investigated any and all +anti-democratic movements,"" Bullock said. "". . . Officially, I'm only +a contract worker with Bruce Hochman. That way, the league would not +be officially connected with me."" + +Bullock said he became a master at infiltrating groups from Communists +to Arab-American to gay radicals to skinheads, usually using his own +name but once adopting the alias Elmer Fink. + +""I'm one of a kind,"" he told police. + +In recent years, however, his ADL affiliation has increasingly become +known, and at one point he was confronted by a skinhead armed with a +shotgun who threatened to kill him. + +In the mid-1980s, he helped San Francisco police solve a bombing at a +synagogue by combing through the trash of extremist Cory Phelps and +matching handwriting with samples on a threatening letter obtained by +police. In part because of this investigation, he became close +friends with Gerard, who at the time was working in the San Francisco +police intelligence division. + +Bullock frequently searched through the garbage of target groups. An +FBI report noted how he investigated one Palestinian group: + +""Bullock would write reports based on what he found in the trash, and +would share the reports with Gerard. Bullock also gave the trash to +Gerard for Gerard to examine. Gerard would later return the trash to +Bullock."" + +From a wide range of sources, Bullock compiled files on 9,876 +individuals and more than 950 political groups. Gerard, whose files +contained many identical entries, kept files on 7,011 people. + +In 1987, Bullock and Gerard began selling some of their vast wealth of +information to the South African government. Bullock tells of +meetings secretly with South African agents at San Francisco hotels +and receiving envelopes filled with thousands of dollars in new $100 +bills. + +Bullock insists the information he sold consisted of data he culled +only from public sources. Once he rewrote an innocuous item published +by San Francisco Chronicle columnist Herb Caen about South African +Bishop Desmond Tutu and the wife of prominent attorney Melvin Belli -- +and submitted it as his own work. + +Bullock said it was Gerard who sold official police intelligence. +Bullock said he split about $16,000 from the South African government +evenly with Gerard, telling him at one point, ""I may be gay but I'm a +straight arrow."" + +In his interviews with the police and FBI, Bullock talked freely about +engaging in certain activities that prosecutors say would appear to +violate the law. + +For example, Bullock admitted to receiving driver's license records +and criminal histories from Gerard on about 50 people -- a fraction of +the confidential police data found in his computer. And he said +Gerard gave him complete San Francisco Police Department intelligence +files on various Nazi groups that were supposed to be destroyed under +department policy. + +Bullock said he also received a confidential FBI report on the Nation +of Islam that he later shredded at the Anti-Defamation League's San +Francisco office. + +Bullock seemed proud of his ""Operation Eavesdrop,"" in which he used a +paid informant, code-named Scumbag, to help tap into a White Aryan +Resistance phone message network, listening to the messages left by +members of the right-wing group. ""For a short time, it was +wonderful,"" he told police. + +In Los Angeles, ADL operative Gurvitz was hired about four years ago +as a ""fact-finder"" to keep intelligence files and occasionally go +undercover to the meetings of target groups. + +Among other things, he told San Francisco authorities, the Los Angeles +ADL office kept a record of any Arab-American who had ""anti-Israel +leanings"" or who wrote a letter to a newspaper expressing such +sentiment. + +Gurvitz was recently forced to resign after an incident in which he +attempted to misuse the ADL intelligence network to seek revenge on a +rival who got a job Gurvitz wanted at the Simon Wiesenthal Center for +Holocaust Studies. Gurvitz got confidential police data on the rival +and threatened to expose him as a Jewish spy to a right-wing hate +group. + +Gurvitz has since begun cooperating with police and the FBI in the +probe, providing considerable information about the ADL operation. +Unlike Bullock, he has been assured he is not a subject of the +investigation. + +Gurvitz declined through his father in Los Angeles to be interviewed +by The Times. Bullock's attorney said his client would not comment. +-- +Yigal Arens +USC/ISI TV made me do it! +arens@isi.edu +",17 +2643,"From: peba@snakemail.hut.fi (Petri Aukia) +Subject: DIY - PhoneNET, MIDI adapt & MacRecorder +Nntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-18.hut.fi +Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland +Distribution: comp +Lines: 7 + +I remember seeing complete instructions for making PhoneNET adapters, +MIDI adapters and a MacRecorder lookalike. After a short search through +Mac.archive and info-mac I failed to see any of the above. Any pointers? +-- +--petri.aukia@hut.fi-----------""Supreme Court Ruling: Bolo is an Illegal Drug!"" +--peba@hut--""Computer Programmer Steals Minds of Youths Through New Tank Game!"" +--pa----""Telephone Standards Rethought Because of New Addictive Computer Game!"" +",4 +2472,"Distribution: world +From: Thomas_n.a._Krebs@mcontent.apana.org.au +Organization: MacContent BBS, Doncaster, Victoria, Australia +Return-Receipt-To: Thomas_n.a._Krebs@mcontent.apana.org.au +Subject: Re: LC Ram Upgrade will be SLOW! +Lines: 9 + +Yes! what you are saying is absolutey true, but what you fail to mention is the +fact that the LCIII uses the new 72 pin simms which allow 32 bit access to +each simm. In the case of the LC III, it only has one simm slot, but accesses will +be 32 bits wides. +*************************************************************************** + The views expressed in this posting those of the individual author only. +[BBS Number:(613) 848-1346 MacContent is VictoriaÕs first Iconic BBS!] +*************************************************************************** + +",4 +3003,"From: rgs@megatek.com (Rusty Sanders) +Subject: Re: X-server multi screen +Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California +Lines: 61 + +From article <1993Apr17.010256.14372@eafs000.ca.boeing.com>, by ten0772@eafs000.ca.boeing.com (Timothy E. Neto): +> rainer@sun3.eeam.elin.co.at (Rainer Hochreiter) writes: +>> +>>I've seen a lot of different terms, which seem to mean the same thing. +>>Who can give an exact definition what these terms mean: +>> +>> -) multi-screen +>> -) multi-headed +>> -) multi-display +>> -) X-Server zaphod mode +>> +>>Is there a limit how many screens/displays a single server can handle +>>(in an articel a read something about an upper limit of 12) ? +>> +>>How is the capability called, if I want to move the cursor from one +>>screen/display to another. +> +> As to how many clients may be display on a server, I believe the limit +> would be how much memory is available to your server or allocated by the +> server. +> + +This all sounds suspiciously like my company might have something to +do with this. + +Background first: Megatek has a series of framebuffers designed as +X accelerators. For the most part these are designed for Sun SBUS +and Sun (and other vendor's) VME systems. + +That said, Megatek products support multi-screen and/or multi-display +on a sigle workstation. Most of our cards have a keyboard/mouse port +which can be used to provide additional displays. For example, say +you hade a Sparcstation with an Sbus expansion chassis. You could +put in six frambuffers, allowing a total of six screens in the system. +You could then attach from 1 to 6 keyboard/mice, allowing you to +mix and match any combination of screens and displays. You could +have 1 6-screen display, 3 2-screen displays, 6 1-screen displays, +or 1 2-screen display and 1 4-screen display. Basically any +combination. + +Because of this, we at Megatek try to be very careful about the use +of the words multi-screen and multi-display. They are quite different +in meaning, and (at least in X) have exact definitions. + +The reason I ramble like this is the mention of an upper limit if 12 +screens in a display. As it so happens, there's a define in the server +that determines the most screens supported (server/include/misc.h, +MAXSCREENS). As released my MIT, this is 3. As released by Megatek, +this is 12. + +As such, the most screens supported by a single Megatek display (i.e. +X server) is 12. If someone construed this to be a limitation of X +I'm sorry, but clearly (as pointed out so well by Mr. Neto) this is +not the case. + +We just did it here because nobody has ever asked us for more. Of +course, I could say ""Buy all you want, we'll support more."" +-- +---- +Rusty Sanders, Megatek Corp. --> rgs@megatek.com or... + ...ucsd! ...hplabs!hp-sdd! ...ames!scubed! ...uunet! +",5 +1269,"From: marcs@crpmks.uucp (Marc Snyder) +Subject: Re: Anyone use Number 9 GXE video card? +Organization: CIBA-GEIGY Corporation, Additives Division +Keywords: Video adaptor hardware graphics +Lines: 13 + +In article <6023@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM> claborne@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Chris Claborne) writes: +>Has anyone used the Number Nine (# 9) Video Graphics adaptor with Windows +>or Windows NT? What do you think??? + +I just put one in my machine last week. I have an AST 486/66. I was +getting ~10million winmarks with my Diamond SS24, and the #9 board is +doing ~20million winmarks. From my brief experiences with it, i'm very +satisfied. BTW, this is with Win 3.1. +-- +Marc Snyder UUCP: ...philabs!crpmks!marcs +System Administrator +Ciba-Geigy Corporation +Hawthorne, New York Work: 914.785.2284 Play: 914.347.6440 +",2 +1959,"From: u083s121@astro.ocis.temple.edu (cis083 sec001 spr93) +Subject: Leading Edge Computer-Buy? +Organization: Temple University +Lines: 46 +Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + + + I saw the following computer in a store and wanted to know if this is a good +computer or does someone see something wrong with it. I also would like to +switch the motherboard later when this computer becomes too slow. Does anyone +know if this is possible with a Leading Edge Computer, or will it be difficult +to find a motherboard that will fit in this computer. Any help will be +greatly appreciated. + + Leading Edge- Model PC4170E + + * Intel 486SX/25 Mhz CPU + * Supports Intel OverDrive clock-Doubling Processors(What is this?) + * Upgradable to 486DX2/66 + * 4 MB RAM upgradable to 32 MB + * 8 KB internal cache + * 1.2 MB 5 1/4"" & 1.44 MB 3.5"" Disk Drives + * 213 MB Hard Drive + * 1024 x 768 VGA Video Resolution + * 1 MB Video RAM 256 Colors + * 6 Available 16-bit ISA expansion Slots + * One local bus socket (16-bit ISA Compatible) + * 4 5.25"" drive bays, 3 external + * One 25-pin Centronics type parallel port + * 2 RS-232C Serial Ports (9 & 25 pin) + * One 15-pin analog video connector + * One PS/2 Compatible mouse port + * 200 Watt power supply + * 101 key keyboard and mouse included + * Software includes Windows 3.1, Dos 5.0, Microsoft Works for Windows + + The store wants $1200 (without monitor) for this. Is it a good price? + + Thanks! + +-- +*************************************************** +* * +* Nicole Bell at Temple University Philly, PA * +* * +* E-Mail Address: u083s121@astro.ocis.temple.edu * +* Prodigy: JPKN01A * +* * +* ""If you're not part of the solution - * +* you're part of the precipitate "" * +* Steven Wright * +*************************************************** +",3 +5350,"From: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve C Liu) +Subject: Best record ever in baseball +Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA +Lines: 19 +Distribution: usa +Expires: 5/9/93 +NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu +Summary: Can you believe it? + +Of all teams, I believe the Cubs have the best record ever in baseball. +Sometime way far back. 110+ and something. + +Admiral Steve C. Liu +____________________________________________________________________________ +|Admiral Steve C. Liu Internet Address: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu| +|Commander-In-Chief of the Security Division of the Pi Club - Earth Chapter| +| President of the Earth Chapter of the Pi Club - Founded April 1990 | +|1993 World Champions - Baltimore Orioles - Why Not? - Series in the Yards| +| 1992-1993 Stanley Cup Champions - Washington Capitals | +| ""Committee for the Liberation and Intergration of Terrifying Organisms | +| and their Rehabilitation Into Society, the only problem is that the | +| abbreviation is CLITORIS."" from the ""Polymorph"" episode of Red Dwarf | +|*****The Bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed!*****| +| This sig has been brought to you by... Frungy! The Sport of Kings! | +|""My God man, drilling holes through his head is not the answer!"" Dr. McCoy| +|""You know, Susanna Hoffs has a really nice ass."" - comment by M. Flanagan | +| The Pi Club - Creating the largest .signatures for the past nine months | +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +",9 +5526,"From: cmeyer@bloch.Stanford.EDU (Craig Meyer) +Subject: Re: Jack Morris +Organization: DSO, Stanford University +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] +Lines: 27 + +Michael Chen (mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: + +: In any case, I think Viola would have made a better signing. Why? +: Viola is younger, and is left handed (how many left handed starters does +: Toronto have? + +Well, I agree that Viola is a better signing. However, why does +everyone say that you want lefthanded starters? I understand lefthanded +spot relievers, even though they usually face more righthanded batters +than lefthanded batters. I just don't understand why people insist +on lefthanded starters, unless there is a park effect (e.g., Yankee Stadium). +Most batters in MLB are righthanded, so righthanded starters will have +the platoon advantage more often than lefthanded starters. +I guess one argument for lefty starters is that certain teams +may be more vulnerable to LHP's than RHP's. However, this is probably +only a factor in the postseason, because teams seldom juggle their starters +for this reason during the regular season. + +I think you just want the best starters you can get, regardless of +whether they are lefties or righties. Lefthanded starters tend to have +higher ERA's than righthanded starters, precisely because managers +go out of their way to start inferior lefties (or perhaps because of +the platoon advantage). + +Am I missing something here? + +--Craig +",9 +7844,"From: lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) +Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) +Summary: Gee, maybe I've misjudged you. +Keywords: science errors Turpin NLP +Organization: University of Hawaii (Mathematics Dept) +Expires: Mon, 10 May 1993 10:00:00 GMT +Lines: 141 + + +In article turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: +>-*---- +>I agree with everything that Lee Lady wrote in her previous post in +>this thread. + +Gee! Maybe I've misjudged you, Russell. Anyone who agrees with something +I say can't be all bad. ;-) + +Seriously, I'm not sure whether I misjudged you or not, in one respect. +I still have a major problem, though, with your insistence that science +is mainly about avoiding mistakes. And I still disagree with your +contention that nobody who doesn't use methods deemed ""scientific"" +can possibly know what's true and what's not. + +> [Deleted material which I agree with.] +> +>Back to Lee Lady: +> +>> These are not the rules according to many who post to sci.med and +>> sci.psychology. According to these posters ""If it's not supported by +>> carefully designed controlled studies then it's not science."" +> +>These posters are making the mistake that I have previously +>criticized of adhering to a methodological recipe. A ""carefully ... +> .... +>Rules such as ""support the hypothesis by a carefully designed and +>controlled study"" are too narrow to apply to *all* investigation. +>I think that the requirements for particular reasoning to be +>convincing depends greatly on the kinds of mistakes that have +>occurred in past reasoning about the same kinds of things. (To +>reuse the previous example, we know that conclusions from +>uncontrolled observations of the treatment of chronic medical +>problems are notoriously problematic.) + +Okay, so let's see if we agree on this: FIRST of all, there are degrees +of certainty. It might be appropriate, for instance, to demand carefully +controlled trials before we accept as absolute scientific truth (to the +extent that there is any such thing) the effectiveness of a certain +treatment. On the other hand, highly favorable clinical experience, even +if uncontrolled, can be adequate to justify a *preliminary* judgement that +a treatment is useful. This is often the best evidence we can hope for +from investigators who do not have institutional or corporate support. +In this case, it makes sense to tentatively treat claims as credible +but to reserve final judgement until establishment scientists who are +qualified and have the necessary resources can do more careful testing. + +SECONDLY, it makes sense to be more tolerant in our standards of +evidence for a pronounced effect than for one that is marginal. + + +I come to this dispute about what science is not only as a +mathematician but as a veteran of many arguments in sci.psychology (and +occasionally in sci.med) about NLP (Neurolinguistic Programming). Much +of the work done to date by NLPers can be better categorized as +informal exploration than as careful scientific research. For years +now I have been trying to get scientific and clinical psychologists to +just take a look at it, to read a few of the books and watch some of +the videotapes (courtesy of your local university library). Not for +the purpose of making a definitive judgement, but simply to look at the +NLP methodology (especially the approach to eliciting information from +subjects) and look for ideas and hypotheses which might be of +scientific interest. And most especially to be aware of the +*questions* NLP suggests which might be worthy of scientific +investigation. + +Over and over again the response I get in sci.pychology is ""If this +hasn't been thoroughly validated by the accepted form of empirical +research then it can't be of any interest to us."" + +To me, the ultimate reducio ad absurdum of the extreme ""There've got to +be controlled studies"" position is an NLP technique called the Fast +Phobia/Trauma Cure. + +Simple phobias (as opposed to agoraphobia) may not be the world's most +important psychological disorder, but the nice thing about them is that +it doesn't take a sophisticated instrument to diagnose them or tell +when someone is cured of one. The NLP phobia cure is a simple +visualization which requires less than 15 minutes. (NLPers claim that +it can also be used to neutralize a traumatic memory, and hence is +useful in treating Post-traumatic Stress Syndrome.) It is essentially +a variation on the classic desensitization process used by behavioral +therapists. A subject only needs to be taken through the technique once +(or, in the case of PTSD, once for each traumatic incident). The +process doesn't need to be repeated and the subject doesn't need to +practice it over again at home. + +Now to me, it seems pretty easy to test the effectiveness of this cure. +(Especially if, as NLPers claim, the success rate is extremely high.) +Take someone with a fear of heights (as I used to have). Take them up +to a balcony on the 20th floor and observe their response. Spend 15 +minutes to have them do the simple visualization. Send them back up to +the balcony and see if things have changed. Check back with them in a +few weeks to see if the cure seems to be lasting. (More long term +follow-up is certainly desirable, but from a scientific point of view +even a cure that lasts several weeks has significance. In any case, +there are many known cases where the cure has lasted years. To the best +of my knowledge, there is no known case where the cure has been reversed +after holding for a few weeks.) (My own cure, incidentally, was done +with a slightly different NLP technique, before I learned of the Fast +Phobia/Trauma Cure. Ten years later now, I enjoy living on the 17th +floor of my building and having a large balcony.) + +The folks over in sci.psychology have a hundred and one excuses not to +make this simple test. They claim that only an elaborate outcome study +will be satisfactory --- a study of the sort that NLP practitioners, +many of whom make a barely marginal living from their practice, can ill +afford to do. (Most of them are also just plain not interested, because +the whole idea seems frivolous. And since they're not part of the +scientific establishment, they have no tangible rewards to gain +from scientific acceptance.) + +The Fast Phobia/Trauma Cure is over ten years old now and the clinical +psychology establishment is still saying ""We don't have any way of +knowing that it's effective."" + +These academics themselves have the resources to do a study as elaborate +as anyone could want, of course, but they say ""Why should I prove your +theory?"" and ""The burden of proof is on the one making the claim."" +One academic in sci.psychology said that it would be completely +unscientific for him to test the phobia cure since it hasn't +been described in a scientific journal. (It's described in a number of +books and I've posted articles in sci.psychology describing it in as much +detail as I'm capable of.) + +Actually, at least one fairly careful academic study has been done (with +favorable results), but it's apparently not acceptable because it's a +doctoral dissertation and not published in a refereed journal. + +To me, this sort of attitude does not advance science but hinders it. +This is the kind of thing I have in mind when I talk about ""doctrinnaire"" +attitudes about science. + +Now maybe I have been unfair in imputing such attitudes to you, Russell. +If so, I apologize. + +-- +In the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems +less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects. + +lady@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu lady@uhunix.bitnet +",13 +2107,"From: brinton@icd.teradyne.com (Chris Brinton) +Subject: Re: Recommendations for a Local BUS (Cache +Reply-To: brinton@icd.teradyne.com +Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA +Lines: 38 + +In article 6819@sol.ctr.columbia.edu, penev@rockefeller.edu (Penio Penev) writes: +>On 15 Apr 1993 20:14:20 GMT Divya Sundaram (sundaram@egr.msu.edu) wrote: +> +>| I would like to hear the net.wisdom and net.opinions on IDE Controllers. +>| I would liek to get a IDE controller card for my VLB DX2 66 Motherboard. +>| What are good options for this (preferably under $200). It MUST also work +>| under OS/2 and be compatible with Stacker (and other Disk Compression S/W). +> +>I have a Maxtor 212MB on an ISA IDE controller, although my machine is +>DX2/66 VLB. I has the save transfer rate of 0.647 MB/s regardless of +>the variations of the ISA bus speed. I tested it with speed between +>5.5MHz and 8.33MHz. Not _any_ difference. The problem is not the +>interface between the controller and the memory. +> +>My advice: Buy 4Megs of RAM, save $70 and enjoy performance. +> +>-- +>Penio Penev x7423 (212)327-7423 (w) Internet: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu +> +>Disclaimer: All oppinions are mine. + + +I also have a DX2/66 and a Maxtor 212. I have a local bus IDE controller (generic) and I get +985 KB/s. I tried swapping my local bus IDE controller for an ISA IDE controller and my +transfer rate went to 830 KB/s. The specs for this drive show a maximum platter to controller +transfer rate of 2.83 MB/s. I dont know how to get there from here. The local bus interface +got me a little, but certainly not as much as I had hoped. I am also looking for a way to +improve my disk performance, but Im not convinced that the controller is the bottleneck +(although Im willing to entertain the possibility that it is). I am already running a big +main memory disk cache, so Im not really interested in this solution either. + +--- +Chris Brinton +Teradyne, Inc. +brinton@icd.teradyne.com + +""My opinions are my own, but you're welcome to them."" + +",3 +381,"From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) +Subject: Re: Victims of various 'Good Fight's +In-Reply-To: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au's message of 12 Apr 93 21: 36:33 +0930 +Organization: Compaq Computer Corp + <9454@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> <1993Apr12.213633.20143@levels.unisa.edu.au> +Lines: 12 + +>>>>> On 12 Apr 93 21:36:33 +0930, 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Desert Brat) said: + +TDB> 12. Disease introduced to Brazilian * oher S.Am. tribes: x million + +To be fair, this was going to happen eventually. Given time, the Americans +would have reached Europe on their own and the same thing would have +happened. It was just a matter of who got together first. + +-- +Ed McCreary ,__o +edm@twisto.compaq.com _-\_<, +""If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."" (*)/'(*) +",0 +6611,"From: ""Douglas Johnson"" +Subject: Unix crypt for DOS +Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 +Organization: Class Technology Corporation +X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.4) +Lines: 4 + +I've recently moved from Unix to a DOS box and have a number of files +that I used crypt to ""protect"". Does anyone know of a DOS version of +crypt? I've found one, but it insists on six letter keys and I used +some shorter ones. Thanks for your help. -- Doug +",11 +3015,"From: kaiser@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Siegfried Kaiser) +Subject: R5 table widget causing trouble with XtQueryGeometry +Organization: Universitaet Koblenz +Lines: 227 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: glass.uni-koblenz.de + +Contents:Problems with table widgets in R5 + + The following part of a program (an user interface for a simulation + system) did work in R4, but refused to in R5. Of cause, the R4-version + did not know about the xpTableWidgetClass (we used tableWidgetClass instead - caught from the net in times of R3) and XpTableChildPosition (formerly XtTblPosition). + Since compiling with R5, the program causes a zero width or height error + (on sparc-stations). The trouble-shooter is the (re)computation of the + model_init_table - table widget: though its childs (label and asciiText + widgets) exist, XtQueryGeometry returns a prefered width and height of zero. + Thus the following asignment cannot perform anything else but set the width and height of the newly created widget to zero. No wonder XtPopup or XtManage- Child create zero width or height errors (dependent on whether width and height of the shell widget are set in the resource file or not). + + Question: Does anyone know, why XtQueryGeometry returns so low prefered + values when working on table widgets or perhaps what + to do about? + + I'll be happy, if someone is able to help me. + Germans are requested to answer in german. + + Siegfried Kaiser + email: kaiser@uniko.uni-koblenz.de + + + The part of interest: + + + /* Graphischer Neuaufbau des Model-Init-Formulars */ + /* Storing the old width and height of the viewport- */ + /* widget, which is the parent of the troubling table */ + /* widget, before the viewport widget is destroyed */ + /* The destroying of widgets before resizing them is a */ + /* relict from R3-age */ + + if (model_init_popped_up) + XtUnmapWidget(model_init_form_view); + XtDestroyWidget(model_init_form_view); + + /* Creating the subtree within the shell, of which the */ + /* root is the viewport widget */ + + n = 0; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNfromVert,model_init_title); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNfromHoriz,model_init_button_view); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNallowVert,True); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNforceBars,True); n++; + model_init_form_view = XtCreateWidget(""form_view"",viewportWidgetClass, + model_init_form,args,n); + + n = 0; + model_init_table = XtCreateWidget(""table"",xpTableWidgetClass, + model_init_form_view,args,n); + + /* create_form_widget does create and position table */ + /* widget's childs. To position them it uses XpTable- */ + /* ChildPosition in R5 and XtTblPosition in R4 */ + + create_form_widget(ptr_model_init_obj,model_init_table); + + /* */ + /* The crucial function call: */ + /* intended to return the maximum height possible: if */ + /* there isn't sufficient space to show the whole table */ + /* widget, then the viewport shall grow as large as */ + /* possible, but not beyond the border of screen. */ + /* If there is enough space, the window is intended to */ + /* shrienk to the smallest possible height. */ + /* */ + + XtQueryGeometry(model_init_table,NULL,&pref); + + /* According to the algorithms idea, the new value of */ + /* viewport widget's height is selected. Unfortunately */ + /* pref.height = 0 leads to new_height = 0. */ + + if (form_view_height > pref.height) new_height = pref.height; + else new_height = form_view_height; + + /* Setting the new values to viewport widgets ancestors */ + + w = XtNameToWidget(model_init_form,""form_view""); + XtResizeWidget(w,width,new_height,pref.border_width); + XtResizeWidget(model_init_form_view,width,new_height, + pref.border_width); + + if (model_init_popped_up) + { + /* In case the shell, which contains model_init_form_- */ + /* view and model_init_table, allready exists, is has */ + /* to be resized, too. */ + + n = 0; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNwidth,&shell_width); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNheight,&shell_height); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNborderWidth,&shell_bw); n++; + XtGetValues(model_init_shell,args,n); + XtResizeWidget(model_init_shell,shell_width, + shell_height - height + new_height,shell_bw); + }; /* end of if */ + + n = 0; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNwidth,&width); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNborderWidth,&bw); n++; + XtGetValues(model_init_button_view,args,n); + XtResizeWidget(model_init_button_view,width,new_height,bw); + + XtResizeWidget(vert_bar,sbar_width,1,sbar_bw); + + resize_inits(); + + /* If there is the shell's height set within the */ + /* resource file, the program terminates within the */ + /* first XtManageChild on its second pass through the */ + /* observed function. The first pass succeeds. */ + + XtManageChild(model_init_form_view); + XtManageChild(model_init_table); + + + if (!model_init_popped_up) + { + /* In case the shell isn't popped up it has to be done. */ + /* If there is no value set to the shell's height within*/ + /* the resource file, the program terminates here. */ + + XtPopup(model_init_shell,XtGrabNone); + model_init_pop_flag = True; + set_model_init_attributes(); + }; /* end of if */ + + get_actual_init(&ptr_actual); + load_form(ptr_actual); + + + + /* */ + /* If someone suspects the creation of table widget's contents */ + /* causes all the trouble, there are the sources of create_form */ + /* */ + + + create_form_widget(ptr,table) + t_obj *ptr; + Widget table; + + /* ptr is a linear list containing attributes and para- */ + /* meters of the model and additionally the correspon- */ + /* ding widgets */ + + { + Arg args[10]; + int n, + row, + col; + t_obj *ptr_obj; + t_ident *ptr_ident; + + /* Initialization of the local variables */ + + ptr_obj = ptr; + col = 0; + row = 0; + + /* Schleife ueber die Objekte bzw. das Pseudo-Objekt (fuer die Parameter) */ + /* loop through the list of objects and pseudo-objects: */ + /* every object occuring in the model has zero or more */ + /* attributes and some parameters, which can be shared */ + /* by several objects. */ + /* Because of locality the attributes of one object are */ + /* listed in a second linear list (of type t_ident), */ + /* whereas the parameters, which can belong to any ob- */ + /* ject are put together in a pseudo-object */ + /* Thus the program loops through the list of objects */ + /* and pseudo-objects and for each object through the */ + /* list of its attributes resp. parameters. */ + + while (ptr_obj != (t_obj*)NULL) + { + /* Each object and pseudo-object is represented in a */ + /* label widget */ + + n = 0; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNlabel,ptr_obj->name); n++; + ptr_obj->label_w = XtCreateManagedWidget(""object"",labelWidgetClass, + table,args,n); + XpTableChildPosition(ptr_obj->label_w,col,row); + col++; + row++; + ptr_ident = ptr_obj->ident; + + /* Schleife ueber die Objekt-Attribute bzw. Parameter */ + while (ptr_ident != (t_ident*)NULL) + { + /* Each attribute and parameter is represented in a */ + /* label and has a corresponding asciiText widget, in */ + /* which it is to be initialized. */ + + n = 0; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNlabel,ptr_ident->name); n++; + ptr_ident->label_w = XtCreateManagedWidget(""ident"",labelWidgetClass, + table,args,n); + XpTableChildPosition(ptr_ident->label_w,col,row); + col++; + + n = 0; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNlength,ROW_LENGTH); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNstring,ptr_ident->text); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNeditType,XawtextEdit); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNwrap,XawtextWrapWord); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNresize,XawtextResizeHeight); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNuseStringInPlace,True); n++; + ptr_ident->text_w = XtCreateManagedWidget(""text"", + asciiTextWidgetClass, + table,args,n); + XpTableChildPosition(ptr_ident->text_w,col,row); + col--; + row++; + get_next_ident(&ptr_ident); + }; /* end of while */ + col--; + get_next_obj(&ptr_obj); + }; /* end of while */ + } /* end of create_form_widget */ + + + + +So far the problem in detail. + +",5 +4320,"From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh) +Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... +Originator: kevinh@nath +Reply-To: kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch +Organization: Ascom Hasler AG +Lines: 20 + + +In article , wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes: +|> Brian LaRose (larose@austin.cs.utk.edu) wrote: +|> +|> : I never saw the guy. The police said they thought the motive was to +|> : hit the car, have us STOP to check out the damage, and then JUMP US, +|> : and take the truck. +|> : +|> : PLEASE BE AWARE OF FOLKS. AND FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, PLEASE DON'T STOP!!!! +|> +|> Sad. This sort of thing is on the rise across the country. South Florida +|> is getting a lot of national TV coverage on the subject where vacationers +|> are being attacked (and some killed) in schemes similar to this. + +Make that worldwide coverage. I know numerous people who were planning +holidays to the Florida, and have now chosen another (non-US) +destination. You expect this sort of thing, perhaps, in third world +countries - but not the US! + +kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch +",7 +541,"From: millernw@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Neal Miller) +Subject: Re: Trying to view POV files..... +Nntp-Posting-Host: craft.clarkson.edu +Organization: Clarkson University +Lines: 31 + +merkelbd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Brian Merkel) writes: + +>In article <1993Apr11.132604.13400@ornl.gov> ednobles@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Edward d Nobles) writes: +>> +>>I've been trying to view .tga files created in POVRAY. I have the Diamond +>>SpeedStar 24 Video board (not the _24X_). So far I can convert them to +>>jpeg using cjpeg and view them with CVIEW but that only displays 8 bit color. +>> +>>I'm looking for some way to convert and/or view them in 24 bit. +>> +>>I have UNIVESA (uvesa31.zip) and the DVPEG viewer but I don't get anything. +>>Perhaps I am not setting up UNIVESA properly? If anyone has ideas about this +>>please feel free to enlighten me... +>> +>>Just want to see the darn things in real color... + +>Image Alchemy (aka alchemy) will view the TGA files that POV outputs +> and just about any other format you can think of. It will also convert +> between all these. It's shareware, so it's probably available by FTP +> somwhere out there in netland... + + Yep... Alchemy works fine on my Tseng400+DAC, but I think I remember +reading that it only displays in 15-bit or so. Of course, that's still 32K +colors which is nothing to sneeze at. Use the --v flag. + + +-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + Neal Miller | ""Why not go mad?"" | millernw@craft.camp.clarkson.edu + Clarkson University | - Ford Prefect | dark@craft.camp.clarkson.edu +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +",1 +1544,"From: grohol@novavax.UUCP (John Grohol) +Subject: Re^2: ATM +Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL +Lines: 35 + +rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) writes: + + +> 1. TrueType font files are at least 1/3 larger than their Type-1 +> equivalents. If you are using a disk compressor, though, be aware +> that TrueType fonts will compress, whereas Type-1 fonts will not +> (they are encrypted). + +This isn't entirely true. It is true that TrueType fonts are +larger than their ATM counterparts, but ATM fonts *do* get minimal +compression. Running Stacker 3.0 report generator, I get: + + File Type: Compression Ratio: + ------------- ------------------ + *.TTF (TrueType) 1.4:1.0 + *.PFB (ATM) 1.1:1.0 + *.PFM (ATM Metric) 11.8:1.0 + +Although the metric files are small, they compress quite largely. +And, as you can see, even the regular .PFB files have *some* compression. + +So, doing the math on one such comparitive font file: + +TTF Times = 83260 bytes/1.4 = 59471 bytes (compressed) +PFB Times = 51549 bytes/1.1 = 46862 bytes (Compressed) + +You still win out, even if the ATM Times font *isn't* compressed. + +Your mileage may vary depending on compression program. + +-- + ""When heroes go down, They go down fast || John M. Grohol, M.S. + So don't expect any time to || Center for Psychological Studies + Equivocate the past."" || Nova Univ, Ft. Lauderdale, FL + - suzanne vega || grohol@novavax.nova.edu +",2 +6863,"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) +Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. +Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de +Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg +Distribution: na +Lines: 33 + +andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) writes: + +> methods. ``This year's crime bill will have teeth, not bare gums,'' +> Clinton said. In particular, his administration will place strict +> controls on data formats and protocols, and require the registration +> of so-called ``cryptographic keys,'' in the hope of denying drug +> dealers the ability to communicate in secret. Clinton said the +> approach could be used for crackdowns on other forms of underground +> economic activity, such as ``the deficit-causing tax evaders who +> live in luxury at the expense of our grandchildren.'' + +And some people thought that I am exaggerating when claiming that the +Cripple Chip is just a first step in a totalitarian plot against the +civil liberties in the USA... It seems that I've even been an optimist +- the things are happening even faster than I expected.... That's +another of the dirty tricks they used to apply on us under the +communist regime - do something secret, THEN tell the people about is +(after the fact, when nothing can be done any more), and of course, +explaining them how much better the situation is now... + +In my previous messages I wrote that the Americans should wake up and +fight against the new proposal. Now it seems to me that it is already +too late - it has already happened, the civil liberties have been +violated, no, stollen from the American people, while the most part of +this people has been sleeping happily... :-((( Too sad... + +Regards, +Vesselin +-- +Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg +Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN +< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C +e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany +",11 +9766,"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) +Subject: Re: The Cold War: Who REALLY Won? +Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. +Lines: 28 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com + +In article <1993Apr20.220335.9235@linus.mitre.org> glover@tafs2.mitre.org +(Graham K. Glover) writes: +> If one reasons that the United States of America at one time represented +> and protected freedom << individual liberty and personal responsibility >> +> (and I do, in fact, think that this is true) and that totalitarianism << +> absolute government control and tyranny >> represents freedom's opposite +> (which it does), did the USA really win the cold war? + +Of course not. The USA's only hope is for Yelsen (how ever you spell it) to +fail the referendum, and have the hard-liners take over again. + +> +> Standard disclaimers ALWAYS apply! +> +> ---------------- +> Graham K. Glover +> ---------------- +> +> UNMUTUAL + +-- +jmd@handheld.com +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought +that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 +""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed +in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" +WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 +",16 +4035,"From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) +Subject: Re: 1993 Infiniti G20 +Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA +Lines: 14 + +>In article <78834@cup.portal.com> carl_f_hoffman@cup.portal.com writes: +>>2) There is a special deal where I can get an Infinity G20, fully +>> loaded, at dealer cost (I have check this out and the numbers match +>> up). They are doing this because they are releasing and update mid-1993 +>> version (includes dual air-bags) and want to get rid of their old 1993's. + +is this really the dealer's cost? did you get the dealer's cost by +looking at the invoice? there may be factory to dealer incentives. +i'd check this out, since i have trouble believing that a dealer would +sell a car to me at his cost. + +dealer invoice is not necessarily the dealer cost. + +-teddy +",7 +1118,"From: gt4356c@prism.gatech.EDU (James Dean Barwick) +Subject: Re: Permanaent Swap File with DOS 6.0 dbldisk +Distribution: git +Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology +Lines: 58 + +In comp.os.ms-windows.misc you write: + +>While reading through the DOS 6.0 book, it states that the Windows permanaent swap file will not work correctly when placed on a compressed drive. To make things compatable, +>I removed my Permanent swap file before starting the upgrade. However, when all the dust settled, and I go into windows, it says that the temporary swap file is right where it always was, in the Windows directory. My question is: How come the temporary swap files works OK with a compressed drive, and the permanent one doesn't? + +you might want to look in windows FAQ for this one, but here is my best +explanation. But I can't guarantee that I'm not way off base... + +The permenant swap file is read/written to by windows by talking +directly to the hard disk controller card. The controller card must +use the protocal set up by western digital (or something like that). +Windows creates a file called spart.par in your windows directory that +points to that file. It then uses the physical information about your +disk to index to information in that file. + +compressed disks are actually ""logical"" disks. These disks have different +characteristics than the actual physical disk. Furthermore, the information +on the compressed disks must be uncompressed before it is used. (i.e it must +go through the decompression program that traps disk reads at the operating +system level or the BIOS level). Because of this ""inbetween"" program, windows +cannot use direct methods to read from the ""logical"" disk. + +a permenant swap file is only there to ""reserve"" an area of the disk that +windows can use and to block that space from DOS. Windows would theoretically +not even have to access the file from DOS to use that disk space. (I don't +know if it does or doesn't...but it checks for it somewhere everytime you +boot windows.) + +a temporary swap file is just a normal DOS file that is accessed by windows +via DOS and the BIOS. If a disk compression program or other TSR is loaded +the file access must go through DOS...TSR'S (disk compression)...and BIOS in +order to be access. (i.e. NEVER USE A TEMPORARY SWAP FILE...NEVER) + +more on permenent swap files... + +i'm sure everyone who has an uncompressed part of their compressed hard disk +has seen the message ""you have selected a swap file greater than the suggested +size...windows will only use the size suggested...do you wan't to create this +swap file anyway"" or something like that. + +well, a friend of mine (ROBERT) called microsoft and asked them what and why. +what they said is that windows checks the amount of free disk space and +divides that number by 2. Then it checks for the largest contiguous block +of free disk space. Windows then suggests the smaller of the two numbers. + +They also said that under absolutely no circumstances...NONE!...will windows +uses a swap file larger than the suggested size. Well...that's what he +said! + +I call bull@#$#. If this is true why does windows report the memory is +available to me if it's not going to use it? + +any takers? + +James + +(if this doesn't get to the net, will someone post it for me? thanks) + +",2 +6769,"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) +Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] +Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA +Lines: 34 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) +NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com +X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 + +gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: +> Oh, I see your point. I think you're wrong. But if you sit back and +> wait to find out if I'm right, it'll be too late. Just listen *very* +> carefully for the first 'such and such will not be permitted on network +> XYZ' shoe to drop. + +I've been a very intent NREN spectator of the NREN for years. As a +commercial IP software vendor, it really is my professional opinion that the +NREN, at this point, is irrelevant to private sector networking. If it had +been deployed five years ago, it would have been a major development. Now, +however, it's just an upgrade to the NSFnet, and an attempt to revive the +lagging use of the national supercomputer centers. You could cut out the +NSFnet completely, and the Internet would continue chugging along without a +hiccup (aside from a few universities). + +Long-haul networking and Internet connectivity have long since ceased to be +under federal sponsorship or regulation, at least in the USA. The success of +the CIX (Commercial Internet Exchange) is a prime example of this. While our +dear VP has been promoting his ""data superhighway,"" the private sector has +been building it, without the NSFnet's restrictions. + +To illustrate, a connection from the machine on my desk to the machine your +article was posted from (pizzabox.demon.co.uk) involves *only* commercial IP +providers until it hits Amsterdam. No NSFnet. No NREN. No ""appropriate +use"" restrictions. It's even 1.544mbps (T1) until it hits the EUnet +gateway... + +QED. + + +Amanda Walker +InterCon Systems Corporation + + +",11 +6702,"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) +Subject: The Escrow Database. +Organization: Partnership for an America Free Drug +Lines: 77 + +Here is a disturbing thought. + +Now, we no longer live in the days of big filing cabinets. We live in +the electronic age. I asked myself, how big could the escrow database +get? How hard might it be to steal the whole thing, particularly were +I an NSA official operating with the tacit permission of the escrow +houses? (We can pretend that such will not happen, but thats naive.) + +Well, lets see. Ten bytes of each escrow half. Lets asume ten bytes of +serial number -- in fact, I believe the serial number is smaller, but +this is an order of magnitude calculation. We assume 250*10^6 as the +population, and that each person has a key. I get five gigabytes for +each of the two escrow databases. Fits conveniently on a single very +valuable Exabyte tape. This can only get easier with time, but who +cares -- I can already hold all the clipper keys in the country in my +pocket on two 8mm tapes. + +Admittely, they will think of safeguards. They won't put the whole +database on one disk, prehaps. Maybe they will throw stumbling blocks +in the way. This changes nothing -- they keys will be needed every day +by hundreds if not thousands of law enforcement types, so convenience +will dictate that the system permit quick electronic retrieval. At +some point, with or without collusion by the agencies, those exabyte +tapes are going to get cut. Dorothy Denning and David Sternlight will +doubtless claim this can't happen -- but we know that ""can't"" is a +prayer, not a word that in this instance connotes realism. + +With two exabyte tapes in your pocket, you would hold the keys for +every person's conversations in the country in your hands. Yeah, you +need the ""master key"" two -- but thats just ten bytes of information +that have to be stored an awful lot of places. + +Come to think of it, even if the NSA getting a copy of the database +isn't a threat to you because unlike me you have no contraversial +political views, consider foreign intelligence services. You know, the +ones that David Sternlight wants to protect us from because of the +evil industrial espionage that they do. The French apparently do have +a big spying operation in friendly countries to get industrial +secrets, so he isn't being completely irrational here (although why +our companies couldn't use cryptosystems without back doors is left +unexplained by those that point out this threat.) + +Presumably, foreign intelligence services can get moles into the NSA +and other agencies. We have proof by example of this: its happened +many times. Presumably, someday they will get their hands on some +fraction of the keys. You can't avoid that sort of thing. + +Don't pretend that no one unauthorized will ever get their hands on +the escrow databases. + +We crypto types are all taught something very important at the +beginning of intro to cryptography -- security must depend on the +easily changed key that you pick to run your system, and not on a +secret. The escrow databases aren't the sorts of secrets that our +teachers told us about, but they are the sort of big secrets they +would lump into this category. Imagine trying to replace 100 million +Clipper chips. + +I cannot believe that the NSA or whomever it is thats doing this +doesn't realize all this already. They are too smart. There are too +many of them who have made their bones in the real world. I suspect +that they know precisely what they are doing -- and that what they are +doing is giving us the appearance of safety so that they can continue +to surveil in spite of the growth of strong cryptography. I suspect +that they realize that they can't put things off forever, but they can +try to delay things as long as possible. + +Who knows. Maybe even some of the higher ups, the inevitable +bureaucratic types that rise in any organization, really do believe +that this scheme might give people some security, even as their +subordinates in Fort Meade wring their hands over the foolishness of +it all. + +-- +Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com +-- +Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. +",11 +5696,"From: awe@loch.mit.edu (Ari Epstein) +Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? +Organization: CMPO at MIT +Lines: 4 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: loch.mit.edu + +I think you can add former A's first baseman Mike Epstein (no relation) to +the list. + +Ari +",9 +5217,"From: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu (David J.) +Subject: Re: 1993 NL East Champion PHILLIES +Article-I.D.: usenet.C51J5C.AMx +Reply-To: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu +Organization: Indiana University +Lines: 12 +Nntp-Posting-Host: poppy.journalism.indiana.edu + +Robert C Hite writes +> Here are the projected lineups, benches, rotation and bullpen for +> the 1993 National League East Champion Philadelphia Phillies: + +I think the only Phillies in effect here are Philly Blunts. Of course, if this +all becomes true, I'll be the first to smoke one myself. + +-- +David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993 +*-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------* +***""THE RAP IS AN ART EP"" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.*** +*------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------* +",9 +336,"From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Desert Brat) +Subject: Keith IS a relativist! +Organization: Cured, discharged +Lines: 25 + +In article <1pigidINNsot@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: + +> Not so. If you are thrown into a cage with a tiger and get mauled, do you +> blame the tiger? + +AHA! He admits it! He IS a moral relativist! + +Keith, if you start wafffling on about how it is different for a human +to maul someone thrown into it's cage (so to speak), you'd better start +posting tome decent evidence or retract your 'I think there is an absolute +morality' blurb a few weeks ago. + +> keith + +The Desert Brat +-- +John J McVey, Elc&Eltnc Eng, Whyalla, Uni S Australia, ________ +9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au T.S.A.K.C. \/Darwin o\ +For replies, mail to whjjm@wh.whyalla.unisa.edu.au /\________/ +Disclaimer: Unisa hates my opinions. bb bb ++------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ +|""It doesn't make a rainbow any less beautiful that we | ""God's name is smack | +|understand the refractive mechanisms that chance to | for some."" | +|produce it."" - Jim Perry, perry@dsinc.com | - Alice In Chains | ++------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ +",0 +10443,"From: francesca_M._Benson@fourd.com +Subject: Argic +Organization: 4th Dimension BBS +Lines: 7 +NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu + +I have one word for you LOSER!!!! + +******************************************************************** +System: fourd.com Phone: 617-494-0565 +Cute quote: Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry +******************************************************************** + +",17 +907,"Subject: Re: Trying to view POV files..... +From: dane@nermal.santarosa.edu (Dane Jasper) +Organization: Santa Rosa Junior College, Santa Rosa, CA +Nntp-Posting-Host: nermal.santarosa.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 15 + +Edward d Nobles (ednobles@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU) wrote: + +: I've been trying to view .tga files created in POVRAY. I have the Diamond +: SpeedStar 24 Video board (not the _24X_). So far I can convert them to +: jpeg using cjpeg and view them with CVIEW but that only displays 8 bit color. +.. +: Just want to see the darn things in real color... + +I have an ATI ultra pro card, and have found that the easiest way to view +true color images is using their windows drivers and something like winjpeg +or photofinish. + +If anyone has a non-windows solution, I'd love to hear it! + +Dane +",1 +8566,"From: jscotti@lpl.arizona.edu (Jim Scotti) +Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? +Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. +Lines: 33 + +In article <1993Apr21.170817.15845@sq.sq.com> msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes: +> +>> > > Also, peri[jove]s of Gehrels3 were: +>> > > +>> > > April 1973 83 jupiter radii +>> > > August 1970 ~3 jupiter radii +> +>> > Where 1 Jupiter radius = 71,000 km = 44,000 mi = 0.0005 AU. ... +> +>> Sorry, _perijoves_...I'm not used to talking this language. +> +>Thanks again. One final question. The name Gehrels wasn't known to +>me before this thread came up, but the May issue of Scientific American +>has an article about the ""Inconstant Cosmos"", with a photo of Neil +>Gehrels, project scientist for NASA's Compton Gamma Ray Observatory. +>Same person? + +Neil Gehrels is Prof. Tom Gehrels son. Tom Gehrels was the discoverer +of P/Gehrels 3 (as well as about 4 other comets - the latest of which +does not bear his name, but rather the name ""Spacewatch"" since he was +observing with that system when he found the latest comet). + +>-- +>Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto ""Information! ... We want information!"" +>utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com -- The Prisoner + +--------------------------------------------- +Jim Scotti +{jscotti@lpl.arizona.edu} +Lunar & Planetary Laboratory +University of Arizona +Tucson, AZ 85721 USA +--------------------------------------------- +",14 +3096,"From: jmg@dxcoms.cern.ch (J.M. Gerard) +Subject: Re: Xterm w. ansi color/mouse support +Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics +Lines: 24 + +brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot) writes: + +>In article <1993Apr4.183419.584@vms.huji.ac.il> klony@vms.huji.ac.il writes: +>< +>< +><> the mit x11 r4 and r5 both provide mouse escape sequences now. There +><> are several color xterm enhancements on export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib . +>< +>I also found it on uunet in /pub/window-sys/X/contrib, for those that can +>only do anonuucp (like me). But I noticed that the thing is dated 9/12/90, +>making it over two years old. Is this really the latest version? + +Are we talking about an xterm which would accept the same escape sequences +as that for VT340 (or colour decterm/dxterm)? I thought that was called +colxterm (and my testing of it shows some oddities that might be bugs or +might be my program going wrong). + +I'm also unsure of what is meant by ""ansi mouse xterm""! +",5 +7652,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Subject: Re: Striato Nigral Degeneration +Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science +Lines: 16 + +In article <9303252134.AA09923@walrus.mvhs.edu> ktodd@walrus.mvhs.edu ((Ken Todd)) writes: +>I would like any information available on this rare disease. I understand +>that an operation referred to as POLLIDOTOMY may be in order. Does anyone +>know of a physician that performs this procedure. All responses will be +>appreciated. Please respond via email to ktodd@walrus.mvhs.edu + +It isn't that rare, actually. Many cases that are called Parkinson's +Disease turn out on autopsy to be SND. It should be suspected in any +case of Parkinsonism without tremor and which does not respond to +L-dopa therapy. I don't believe pallidotomy will do much for SND. + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +",13 +3777,"From: mkawecki@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (michael.kawecki) +Subject: *** TurboGrafx System For SALE *** +Organization: AT&T +Distribution: na +Lines: 25 + + + Take Everything for $210 + + +TurboGrafx-16 Base Unit (works like new) with: + 1 Controller + AC Adapter + Antenna hookup + * Games: + Kieth Courage + Victory Run + Fantasy Zone + Military Madness + Battle Royal + Legendary Axe + Blazing Lasers + Bloody Wolf + + -------------------------------------- +* Will sell games separatley at $25 each + -------------------------------------- + + Please Call Mike: 908-949-3804 (Day) + 908-469-3250 (Eves) + +",6 +9995,"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: X-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide. +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +Lines: 61 + +In article mpoly@panix.com (Michael S. Polymenakos) writes: + +> Maybe with the availability of anon servers some people are beginning to +>speak out? + +I sure hope so. Because, the unspeakable crimes of the Armenians must +be righted. Armenian invaders burned and sacked the fatherland of +Urartus, massacred and exterminated its population and presented to +the world all those left from the Urartus, as the Armenian civilization. + +All reliable Western historians describe how Armenians ruthlessly +exterminated 2.5 million Muslim women, children and elderly people of +Eastern Anatolia and how they collaborated with the enemies of the +Ottoman Empire between 1914-1920. + +It is unfortunately a truth that Armenians are known as collaborators +of the Nazis during World War II and that, even today, criminal/Nazi +members of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle preach and instigate +racism, hatred, violence and terrorism among peoples. + +And x-Soviet Armenia continues its anti-Turkish policy in the following +ways: + +1. x-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide +in order to shift international public opinion away from its political +responsibility. + +2. x-Soviet Armenia, employing ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism +Triangle and criminal/Nazi Armenians, attempts to call into question the +veracity of the Turkish Genocide. + +3. x-Soviet Armenia has also implemented state-sponsored terrorism through +the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle in an attempt to +silence the Turkish people's vehement demands and protests. + +4. Using all its human, financial, and governmental resources, x-Soviet +Armenia and its tools in the United States attempt to silence through +terrorism, bribery and other subversive methods, non-Turkish supporters +of the Turkish cause, be they political, governmental and humanitarian. + +Using all the aforementioned methods, the x-Soviet Armenian government +is attempting to neutralize the international diplomatic community from +making the Turkish Case a contemporary issue. + +Yet despite the efforts of the x-Soviet Armenian government and its terrorist +and revisionist organizations, in the last decades, thanks to the struggle +of those whose closest ones were systematically exterminated by the Armenians, +the international wall of silence on this issue has begun to collapse, and +consequently a number of governments and organizations have become +supportive of the recognition of the Turkish Genocide. + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) + + +",17 +4852,"From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner) +Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! +Reply-To: Chris Steinbroner +Nntp-Posting-Host: hesh.cup.hp.com +Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino, CA +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.1] +Lines: 18 + +Wm. L. Ranck (ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu) wrote: +: As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but +: right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money +: down a rathole. + +i concur with this. + +the politics and bickering going on has +ruined BMWMOA to me. because of the +politics and fighting, i'm i'm going to +let my current membership lapse when it's +up for renewal. + + +-- hesh + +p.s. BMWRA's On The Level is a far superiour + publication in my opinion. +",8 +11039,"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) +Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is oxymoronic +Keywords: ... and blessed are aluminium siding salesman ... +Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. + <1qkna8$k@fido.asd.sgi.com> + <930416.140529.9M1.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> +Lines: 19 + +In article <930416.140529.9M1.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> +mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes: +>livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: +>>Not, of course, The Greatest Salesman in the World. That was Jesus, wasn't it? +>No, J.R. ""Bob"" Dobbs. + +Definitely, J.R. ""Bob"" Dobbs, numero uno, top dog, not one can touch, not +one can knock Bob out of the box. Bob kills me mon! Everyday! + +But close El Segundo (el subliminal) is the infamous Paul (birthname Saul) the +Evangeline who became famous as a result of his numerous trampoline act +tours of the eastern Mediterranean. + +Jesus on the other hand was duped, a pawn of the Con, fell pray to the +Holywood Paradox (ain't nothing but a sign in the hills!). Like many +Afro-Asians, Jesus found the earth all too pink! And to think that after +his death, the Con changed him into a tall blond Holywood sun god! And I +do mean that in the kindest way possums! Now Jesus does gigs with Hendrix, +Joplin, Morrison, Lennon, Marley, Tosh, etc. Mostly ska beat jah-know! +",19 +7940,"From: kiran@village.com (Kiran Wagle) +Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk +Organization: the Syllabub Sea +Lines: 55 +NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu + +Mark McWiggins reminds us: + +MM> Also, don't forget that it's better for your health +MM> to enjoy your steak than to resent your sprouts ... + +YES! + +I call this notion ""psychological health food"" and, in fact, have +determined that the Four Food Groups are Ice Cream, Pizza, Barbecue, and +Chocolate. Ideally, every meal should contain something from at least two +of these four groups. Food DOES serve functions other than nutrition, and +one of them is keeping the organism happy and thus aiding its immune +system. + +And I didn't spend a million bucks commissioning a study that told me to +redraw my silly little pyramid in different colors and with a friendlier +typeface, either. (Ref: Consumer Reports' back page--one of the best +things ever to turn up there.) + +Rich Young writes of one of six impossible things: +RY> to consume unrealistically large quantities of barbecued meat at a time."" + +Donald Mackie confesses: +DM> I have to confess that this is one of my few unfulfilled ambitions. +DM> No matter how much I eat, it still seems realistic. + +Yeah, I want to try one of those 42oz steaks (cooked over applewood) at +Wally's Wolf Lodge Inn in Coeur d'Alene. That seems quite +unrealistic--unrealistically SMALL. And a few slabs of ribs from the East +Texas Smoker (RIP, again) in Louisville is not at all unrealistic either. + +What say we have a rec.food.cooking dinner at the Moonlite Bar-B-Que Inn in +Owensboro? (It's all you can eat including lamb ribs & mutton for about +$10.) We could invite Julie Kangas as guest of honor and see if the +Moonlite's Very Hot Sauce is too hot for her. (It IS too hot for me, and I +don't say that very often.) And she could bring ice cream with crushed +dried chiltepins for dessert. + +And we could see if there IS such a thing as an ""unrealistically large +quantity"" of barbecue--the owner of the Moonlite estimates that the +Owensboro restaurants serve a hundred thousand pounds of meat a week in the +summer, and forty thousand in the winter--in a town of 50 000 or so. Two +pounds per person per week? Again, sure sounds unrealistic to me--thats +just too meager to be healthy. + +~ Kiran (Now a two-pound slab of ribs a day, THAT's realistic.) + +-- +FUZZY PINK NIVEN'S LAW: Never Waste Calories. Potato chips, candy, +whipped cream, or hot fudge sundae consumption may involve you, your +dietician, your wardrobe, and other factors. But Fuzzy Pink's Law implies: +Don't eat soggy potato chips, or cheap candy, or fake whipped cream, or an +inferior hot fudge sundae. + Larry Niven, NIVEN'S LAWS, N-SPACE + +",13 +4384,"From: kmac@cisco.com (Karl Elvis MacRae) +Subject: Sport Utility Vehical comparisons? Any Opinions? +Organization: Tattooed Love Boys +Lines: 36 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: glare.cisco.com + + + + I just read articals on this in Road and Track and Car and Driver + (Is that one mag or two? =B^), and I was wondering if people out + there have any opinions that differed from what these mags have to + say... + + + I'm looking at the following three SUV's; anyone who's driven all + three have any strong opinions? + + + Ford Explorer + Toyota 4Runner + Nissan Pathfinder + + + Currently I'm leaning toward the Toyota, 'cause I've had big success + with Toyota trucks in the past, and 'cause I think it's the best + looking of the three. But I thought I'd see if anyone has any strong + opinions.... + + + + Thanks! + + + -Karl + + + -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- + Karl Elvis MacRae Software Release Support Cisco Systems + kmac@cisco.com -or- batman@cisco.com 415-688-8231 DoD# 1999 FJ1200 + -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- + ""Shovels and rakes and implements of destruction"" + -Arlo Guthrie +",7 +5237,"Subject: Re: quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb. +From: rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis) +Organization: University of Cincinnati +Nntp-Posting-Host: flash.ece.uc.edu +Lines: 13 + +Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite writes: +>jayson stark (i trhink that's him) fits perfectly in this category. +> +>anyone who writes ""dean palmer has 2 homers - at this pace, he'll +> have 324 home runs!"" should be shot. + +Bob, I think that Stark does this sort of thing as a joke, not as a +serious prediction. I don't really see why we should shoot him for +that. The guys who ought to be shot are the ones who keep claiming +how great the Royals' chances are in the AL West, since all evidence +indicates that they aren't joking and actually believe it. + +Bob Davis rbd@thor.ece.uc.edu +",9 +1200,"From: loschen@binah.cc.brandeis.edu +Subject: Re: Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor +Reply-To: loschen@binah.cc.brandeis.edu +Organization: Brandeis University +Lines: 27 + +In article <1993Apr16.145322.16378@nlm.nih.gov>, dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes: +>In article <1993Apr15.204845.24939@nlm.nih.gov> dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes: +>> +>>Anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the Diamond 1024x768x256 driver? +>>Sorry, don't know the version of the driver (no indication in the menus) but it's a recently +>>delivered Gateway system. Am going to try the latest drivers from Diamond BBS but wondered +>>if anyone else had seen this. +>> +> +>As a followup, this is a co-worker's machine. He has the latest 2.03 drivers. +>It only happens using the 1024x768x256 driver. Sometimes it takes a minute +>or so for the cursor to wig out, but it eventually does in this mode. I +>susect something is stepping on memory the video card wants. I excluded +>a000-c7ff in the EMM386 line and in system.ini The problem persisted. +>Perhaps it is something specific to the Gateway machine or it's components. +>It is a 66mhz DX/2 Eisa bus with an Ultrastore (24xx?) controller. Ah well, +>I was hoping this was some kind of 'known problem' or somebody had seen it +>before. Perhaps a call to Gateway is in order, but I do find folks here +>usually are far more in the know. +> +>--Don Lindbergh +>dabl2@lhc.nlm.nih.gov + +I haven't seen this particular problem, but another place you might +check is if your BIOS is doing video shadowing--Diamond wants that +turned off. That might cause a memory conflict as well. Good +luck. Hope this helps, Chris Loschen, Brandeis U. +",2 +2249,"From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) +Subject: Please help find video hardware +Article-I.D.: fmsrl7.1pqf9oINN88e +Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory +Lines: 19 +NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 + +[ Article crossposted from comp.sys.hp ] +[ Author was Gordon Lang ] +[ Posted on 5 Apr 1993 23:25:27 GMT ] + +[ Article crossposted from comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware ] +[ Author was Gordon Lang ] +[ Posted on 5 Apr 1993 23:19:01 GMT ] + +I need a device (either an ISA board or a subsystem) which will +take two RGB video signals and combine them according to a template. +The template can be as simple as a rectangular window with signal +one being used for the interior and signal two for the exterior. +But I beleive fancier harware may also exist which I do not want +to exclude from my search. I know this sort of hardware exists +for NTSC, etc. but I need it for RGB. + +Please email and or post any leads.... + +Gordon Lang (glang@smail.srl.ford.com -or- glang@holo6.srl.ford.com) +",4 +1477,"From: gtonwu@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Tony G. Wu) +Subject: Is it possible ? +Organization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu) +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 13 + + +Hello. + + Is it possible to know minimize program manager when starting an + application and to restore it when the application is ended ? + If possible, please tell me how to do it ! + + +-- +===================== ( Forever 23, Michael Jordan.) ===================== + Tony G. Wu gtonwu@uz.nthu.edu.tw + CAE/Rheology Lab. NTHU. tony@che.nthu.edu.tw + +",2 +5607,"From: wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kokopeli) +Subject: Re: Old Predictions to laugh at... +Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu +Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder +Lines: 35 + +tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: + + +>From jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca Thu Sep 12 10:35:58 1991 +>> + +>>Ron Hassey will be a minor league manager with the Yankees. + +>Dunno what happened to him. + +Maybe I can help you. He's a major league coach with the Rockies. +So above prediction is doubly wrong. + +My prediction: The Red Sox-Cubs Series and Vikings-Broncos SuperBore will +occur at the end of the world. + +And one Rockie will finish in the top 10 of an offensive catagory this +year. + +And no Rockie starter will have an ERA below 3.50. + +And the Rangers fade will not begin until...August. They'll give way +to the Angels. But still challenge to the end. + +Really. Not making any of this up. If I am, may God strike me down *ZZZZZZT* + +>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + +>Thanks for listening! +>-Valentine +-- +Dylan Wilbanks, Environ. Con : The official USENET rabid fan of the +major, U of Colorado, Boulder: Colorado Rockies. Clip this .sig for +PO Box 1143, Boulder, CO : 20% off on your next Rockies woof!!! +80306-1143. Life is bigger. : (this space intenionally blank) +",9 +5279,"From: derich@netcom.com (Scotty*Tissue) +Subject: 15-day, 30-day, 60-day disabled list questions +Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +Lines: 20 + + + I've a curiousity -- + + Whenever a person is put on the 15-day, 30-day or 60-day, + the person is on the list longer than the specificed time + + I've seen a person on the 15-day for maybe 4 months last year, I don't + remember what... + + I just need a little clarification on the disabled list specifications. + +- Scotyy + +-- +Scott Allen Steinbrink ************************************************ + * GO CLEVELAND CAVALIERS!! NBA FINALS '93!!!!!!* +NetCom: Derich@netcom.com * GO CLEVELAND INDIANS!!!! WORLD SERIES '93!!!!* +Digex: derich@digex.com * GO CLEVELAND BROWNS!!!!! SUPER BOWL '94!!!!!!* + ************************************************ + +",9 +8676,"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu +Subject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining. +Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr23.123433.1 +Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks +Lines: 43 +Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu + +In article <1r96hb$kbi@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: +> In article <1993Apr23.001718.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: +>>In article <1r6b7v$ec5@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: +>>> Besides this was the same line of horse puckey the mining companies claimed +>>> when they were told to pay for restoring land after strip mining. +>>=== +>>I aint talking the large or even the ""mining companies"" I am talking the small +>>miners, the people who have themselves and a few employees (if at all).The +>>people who go out every year and set up thier sluice box, and such and do +>>mining the semi-old fashion way.. (okay they use modern methods toa point). +> +> +> Lot's of these small miners are no longer miners. THey are people living +> rent free on Federal land, under the claim of being a miner. The facts are +> many of these people do not sustaint heir income from mining, do not +> often even live their full time, and do fotentimes do a fair bit +> of environmental damage. +> +> These minign statutes were created inthe 1830's-1870's when the west was +> uninhabited and were designed to bring people into the frontier. Times change +> people change. DEAL. you don't have a constitutional right to live off +> the same industry forever. Anyone who claims the have a right to their +> job in particular, is spouting nonsense. THis has been a long term +> federal welfare program, that has outlived it's usefulness. +> +> pat +> + +Hum, do you enjoy putting words in my mouth? +Come to Nome and meet some of these miners.. I am not sure how things go down +south in the lower 48 (I used to visit, but), of course to believe the +media/news its going to heck (or just plain crazy). +Well it seems that alot of Unionist types seem to think that having a job is a +right, and not a priviledge. Right to the same job as your forbearers, SEE: +Kennedy's and tel me what you see (and the families they have married into). +There is a reason why many historians and poli-sci types use unionist and +socialist in the same breath. +The miners that I know, are just your average hardworking people who pay there +taxes and earn a living.. But taxes are not the answer. But maybe we could move +this discussion to some more appropriate newsgroup.. + +== +Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked +",14 +6374,"From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) +Subject: Re: Goodbye, good riddance, get lost 'Stars +Lines: 20 +Nntp-Posting-Host: pittpa.cray.com +Organization: Cray Research Inc. +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +Stephen Lawrence (s4lawren@sms.business.uwo.ca) wrote: +: Goodbye Minnesota,...you never earned the right to have an NHL +: franchise in the first place! +: Hope you enjoy your Twin city wide mania for HIGH SCHOOL HOCKEY +: (hey, by the way my old pee wee team is having a reunion in Regina, care +: to come up and film the event?) +: Yee haa Golden Gophers +: Whatta weird town!!!!! + +: s4lawren@sms.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence) +: Western Business School -- London, Ontario + +This is the second posting of this kind from an idiot at a business +school in Canada. What is your problem up there anyway? Is this what +they teach you in business school in Canada? +-- +_____________________________________________________________________________ +Tom Huot +huot@cray.com +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +",10 +859,"From: pes@hutcs.cs.hut.fi (Pekka Siltanen) +Subject: Re: detecting double points in bezier curves +Nntp-Posting-Host: hutcs.cs.hut.fi +Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland +Lines: 26 + +In article <1993Apr19.234409.18303@kpc.com> jbulf@balsa.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Bulf) writes: +>In article , ferdinan@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl (Ferdinand Oeinck) writes: +>|> I'm looking for any information on detecting and/or calculating a double +>|> point and/or cusp in a bezier curve. +>|> +>|> An algorithm, literature reference or mail about this is very appreciated, +> +>There was a very useful article in one of the 1989 issues of +>Transactions On Graphics. I believe Maureen Stone was one of +>the authors. Sorry not to be more specific. I don't have the +>reference here with me. + + +Stone, DeRose: Geometric characterization of parametric cubic curves. +ACM Trans. Graphics 8 (3) (1989) 147 - 163. + + +Manocha, Canny: Detecting cusps and inflection points in curves. +Computer aided geometric design 9 (1992) 1-24. + +Pekka Siltanen + + + + + +",1 +11236,"From: parys@ccsua.ctstateu.edu +Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? +Keywords: Success +Lines: 140 +Nntp-Posting-Host: ccsua.ctstateu.edu +Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT + +I told some friends of mine two weeks ago that Koresh was dead. The FBI and +the BATF could not let a man like that live. He was a testimonial to their +stupidity and lies. + +Now before everyone gets crazy with me, let me say that Koresh was crazy as +a bed bug, but out government was crazier...and they lied to us. + +They told us compound had been under survaillance for quite some time. Yet, +whoever was watching the place failed to see that Koresh went jogging and into +town on a regular basis. Everyone in the area claimed to have seen him and +wondered why they didn't pick him up then. There are two possible answers. +First, they didn't see him. What kind of survaillance is that? Second, they +didn't care. They wanted a confrontation. They wanted publicity and they got +it. + +After the first battle, they told us that they did not know he knew they were +coming. They also said it would have been foolish to go in knowing that. +Well, we know now that they intercepted the informants call and went in anyway. + +Did they explore all of the possibilities for ending the seige? According to +them they did, but according to the Hartford Courant, the woman that raised +Koresh (His Grandmother) was not allowed to go in and see him. + The FBI agent who she spoke with was Bob Ricks and according to the paper he +said: + +""A lot of people think if you just talk to them logically they will come out. +His grandmother raised Vernon Howell; (Koresh's Real name) she didn't raise +David Koresh."" + +Someone who raises you and loves you does not speak to you strickly on a +logical level. There is also an emotional level on which they can reach you. + +Here's another one. All during this operation the FBI has been claiming that +they feared a mass suicide and that is one of the reasons that something must +be done. Now they claim they never thought he would do it? + +I knew they were going to do something when they started talking about how +much money this was costing. That was the start of the ""Justification"" part +part of the plan. That's when I knew it would come soon. + +But, back to the plan. It is considered ""Cruel and Unusal Punishment"" to +execute criminals in the minds of many people, but look at what's acceptable. + +They knew the parents (adults) had gas masks. They did not know, or were not +sure, if the children had them. So the plan was to pour the gas into the +compound. The mothers, seeing what the gas was doing to their children were +supposed to run out and that would only leave the men to deal with. + +I spent two years in the army and like everyother veteran I went through CBR +(Chemical, Biological Radiological) warfare training. Part of that training +is going into a room filled with the same stuff that the children were +subjected to. To make the stuff really interesting the gas also has a chemical +agent that irritates the skin. You think its on fire. + +I have no doubts the children would become hysterical. Its not the kind of +thing you never want to do again. This was the plan, the final solution. + +We waited 444 days for our hostages to come home from Iran. We gave these +people 51 days. + +I stated on several occasions that there was absolutely nothing in this whole +thing that the government could point to as a success. Well, FBI agent Ricks +changed my mind. Again a newclip from the Hartford Courant: + +""And while expressing regret at the loss of life, he suggested that the +operation had been at least a modified success because not a single federal +shot had been fired and not a single federal agent had been hurt."" + +It took 17 dead children to get us that new definition of success. + +One more thought. The government claimed that they believed he had automatic +weapons on the premises. + + HE HAD A LICENSE FOR THE 50 CALIBER MACHINE GUN! + +THEY KNEW DAMN WELL HE HAD ONE. THEY ALSO KNEW HE HAD IT LEGALLY! + +Still, without the element of surprise they sent in agents to get him. +For all of this my President takes full responsibility. What a guy! +I hope he gets it. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +In article , exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor, The Sounding Board) writes: +> In article <11974@prijat.cs.uofs.edu> bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: +> +>>Before you go absolving the BATF & FBI of all blame in this incident, you should +>>probably be aware of two important facts. +>>1. There is no such thing as non-toxic tear gas. Tear gas is non-breathable +>> remaining in it's presence will cause nausea and vomiting, followed eventually +>> by siezures and death. Did the FBI know the physical health of all the people +>> they exposed?? Any potential heart problems among the B-D's?? +> +> No doubt it is dangerous stuff when concentrated. +> +>>2. Have you ever seen a tear gas canister?? Tear gas is produced by burning a +>> chemical in the can. The fumes produced are tear gas. The canister has a +>> warning printed on the side of it. ""Contact with flamable material can result +>> in fire."" Now, how many of these canisters did they throw inside a building +>> they admited was a fire-trap?? +> +> None. They used non-incindiary methods, which means they produced the gas +> outside the building and pumped it in via the tanks. +> +> --- +> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +> ---------Visit the SOUNDING BOARD BBS +1 214 596 2915, a Wildcat! BBS------- +> +> ObDis: All opinions are specifically disclaimed. No one is responsible. +> +> Patrick Taylor, Ericsson Network Systems THX-1138 +> exuptr@exu.ericsson.se ""Don't let the .se fool you"" +",19 +4985,"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) +Subject: Re: Happy Easter! +Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 +Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 37 + +kevinh, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:23:01 GMT wibbled: + +: In article <1993Apr19.154020.24818@i88.isc.com>, jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes: +: |> In article <2514@tekgen.bv.tek.com> davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes: +: |> >In article <1993Apr15.171757.10890@i88.isc.com> jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes: +: |> >>Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm? +: |> >> +: |> >>Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it. +: |> > +: |> > Why not? Ford owns Aston-Martin and Jaguar, General Motors owns Lotus +: |> >and Vauxhall. Rover is only owned 20% by Honda. +: |> +: |> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would ?? on the likes of A.M., +: |> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus. It's outright sacrilege for RR to have non-British +: |> ownership. It's a fundamental thing + + +: I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it +: it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not +: the name. + +: kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch + +I don't believe that BA have anything to do with RR. It's a seperate +company from the RR Aero-Engine company. I think that the government +own a stake. Unfortunately they owned a stake of Jaguar too, until +they decided to make a quick buck and sold it to Ford. Bastards. +This is definitely the ultimate Arthur-Daley government. +-- + +Nick (the Cynical Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford Leaky Gearbox + +M'Lud. + +Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. /~~~\ ""Teneo tuus intervallum"" +Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR, {-O^O-} npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" +Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. \ o / Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 +",8 +5680,"From: dfl@math.wayne.edu (David Frohardt-Lane) +Subject: Re: RBI's (was: Notes on Jays/Indians) +Organization: Wayne State University Math Department, Detroit +Distribution: na +Lines: 23 + +In article <1993Apr15.212014.1782@news.acns.nwu.edu> edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Edward Ouellette) writes: +>Me, too... RBI are a worthless stat. Of course, so is stolen bases because +>sometimes runners are in front of a player that would otherwise run. And of +>course pitchers pitch differently with different people on different bases, +>so batting average, slugging and obp out, too. Hmmm... i guess homers would +>not count then, either. +>My point? RBI might not be a perfect stat but nothing is. And no stat (or lack +>of) can tell me there are no clutch hitters. Maybe no stat CAN tell me, +>either, but some people are... I just know it!!! 8) + +But why would you want to use RBI? RBI is an attempt to measure is some +combination of clutch hitting and power hitting. If you believe in +clutch hitting, then look at how the guy hit with RISP. If you want to +see how good of a slugger he is, then look at his slugging average. + +In terms of evaluating players, RBI totals are better than nothing. But +why use them when so many better stats are out there? + +-- +David Frohardt-Lane dfl@math.wayne.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +Go Tigers, Lions, Pistons, Red Wings and Wolverines !!!!!!!!!! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +",9 +7627,"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Subject: Re: health care reform +Article-I.D.: pitt.19409 +Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science +Lines: 20 + +In article <1993Mar28.200619.5371@cnsvax.uwec.edu> nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) writes: + +>and may be a total disaster and that the Canadian model is preferable, a +>position with which I agree. The other is surprising sympathy for the +>physicians in all of this, to the effect that beating up on us won't +>help anything. +> + +I'm not sure about that. Did you see the ""poll"" they took that showed +that most people thought physicians should be paid $80,000 per year +tops? That's all I make, but I doubt that most physicians are going +to work very hard for that kind of bread. Many wouldn't be able +to service their med school debts on that. Mike Royko had a good +column about it. + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +",13 +10992,"From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com +Subject: ""Ex-Gays?"" (follow-up) +Lines: 53 +Return-Path: + +I would like to apologize for the typos in the previous post. + +In retrospect I would also like to quote another source: Douglas C. +Haldeman from his 1991 book _Homosexuality_ + +THERAPY INEFFECTIVE + +Recently the founders of yet another prominent ""ex-gay"" ministry, Exodus +International, denounced their conversion therapy procedures as ineffective. +Michael Busse and Gary Cooper, cofounders of Exodus International and lovers +for 13 years, were involved with the organization from 1976 to 1979. The +program was described by these men as ""ineffective . . . not one person was +healed."" They stated that the program often exacerbated already prominent +feelings of guilt and personal failure among the counselees; many were +driven to suicidal thoughts as a result of the failed ""reparative therapy."" + +The previous article quoted in the last posting is from THE ADVOCATE, June +30, 1992 called ""The Ex-Ex-Gay"" by Robert Pela. + +Some personal thoughts: + +It is of no great astonishment that there is a concerted effort by a major +portion of the Church to control and mandate change of a minority among +its ranks. This was the momentum behind the Spanish Inquisition, only all +they required was a confession of faith (after much torture) and then, to +save their souls they would dispatch them to heaven through death. Even +later, the Bible was used vigorously to defend slavery, oppression and +segragation of African-Americans, even to the justification of lynchings. +Today's scholars are just a bit more slick in their approach. The tool is +still coersion, but now it is mostly by means of brainwashing and mind +control, convincing people that they should see themselves as less than +God sees them, then maintaining a cultic hold on them until it is felt +thier mind-conditioning is complete. Sure, no one is ""physically"" forced +to stay in this ""reparative therapy"" but sheer social pressure is enough for +many to keep themselves in this new found bondage of self-hate. + +As an abolitionist I advocate the abolishment of oppression and persecution +against gays in all facets of civil life. A person should be judged by +the contibution, or non-contribution to the society in which they live, +not by some high-brow standard of conformity imposed by those who haven';t +a clue what is in their heart. + +For those who seek more information about Gays and groups that accept them +please contact your nearest chapter of PFLAG (Parents & Friends of Lesbians +And Gays) who will be more than happy to assist you. This is a group of +people comprised of Gays, Lesbians and Bisexuals, their parents and friends +who have formed a support group for help and understanding. Try talking to +a parent of a gay son or daughter and learn some ""first-hand"" real life and +loving understanding. God's love and understanding for Gay people is no +less abundant. + +Thank you. +PAX +",19 +4138,"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) +Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???) +Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine +Lines: 32 + +I consulted with someone working on an electronic odometer. The +design was to use a microprocessor based system to write a somewhat +ofuscated pattern into an EEPROM. The idea was to make the circuit +difficult to program arbitrary values into the EEPROM. The +secondary purpose, acutally the primary purpose from the standpoint +of practicality, was to distributed the writes so as to avoid +exceeing the maximum number of writes fof the EEPROM being used. +The microprocessor also ignored pulses coming from the Hall effect +at a rate any higher than 110 MPH so as to make spoofing the reading +by bench pulsing at least somewhat undesirable. This was for an +automobile that was not expected to ever exceed 110 MPH in +operation. The case, of course, might not be the same for your +1993 RX-7! + +The ECM modules of some cars do indeed store info about conditions +under which cars have been operated. Since steering angle and +velocity data, etc is available it would not be difficult to +collect all sorts of interesting demographic information about the +drivers' use of the car. I am not aware of any manufacturer +currently trying to enforce warranty restrictions based on reading +out use data from the ECM. While it could be a potential invasion +of your privacy for manufacturers to have access to data about your +driving style, it could also provide valuable information from +actual field use conditions to help engineer more appropriate cars. +I personally wouldn't mind the dealer collecting my driving +demographics as long as it is done in an anonymous fashion. + + +-- +Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department +Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 +wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED +",7 +6816,"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) +Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? +Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA +Lines: 17 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) +NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com +X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 + +strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: +> Chances are the government has thought of this, and ""just anyone"" won't +> be permitted access to enough of the internals to make a ""fake"" clipper +> chip. + +Once the chips are released (in phones, or whatever), they are vulnerable to +phsyical inspection and observation. Now, I will grant that there will no +doubt be safeguards against ""peeling"" the chip, but the NSA has no monopoly +on cleverness. The chip, and the algorithms it uses, will not remain secret +for very long. Any university with a VLSI lab has the required equipment, as +does any offshore semiconductor manufacturer. + + +Amanda Walker +InterCon Systems Corporation + + +",11 +10028,"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) +Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!! +Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department +Lines: 39 + +In article <1993Apr14.210636.4253@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: + +>Hezbollah and other Lebanese Resistance fighters are skilled at precision +>bombing of SLA and Israeli targets. + +It's hard to beat a car-bomb with a suicidal driver in getting +right up to the target before blowing up. Even booby-traps and +radio-controlled bombs under cars are pretty efficient killers. +You have a point. + +>I find such methods to be far more +>restrained and responsible + +Is this part of your Islamic value-system? + +>than the Israeli method of shelling and bombing +>villages with the hope that a Hezbollah member will be killed along with +>the civilians murdered. + +Had Israeli methods been anything like this, then Iraq wouldn've been +nuked long ago, entire Arab towns deported and executions performed by +the tens of thousands. The fact is, though, that Israeli methods +aren't even 1/10,000th as evil as those which are common and everyday +in Arab states. + +>Soldiers are trained to die for their country. Three IDF soldiers +>did their duty the other day. These men need not have died if their government +>had kept them on Israeli soil. + +""Israeli soil""???? Brad/Ali! Just wait until the Ayatollah's +thought-police get wind of this. It's all ""Holy Muslim Soil (tm)"". +Have you forgotten? May Allah have mercy on you now. + +>Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) + +-- +Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will +American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the +My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. +",17 +10823,"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) +Subject: New Study Out On Gay Percentage +Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA +Lines: 27 + + +From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2: + + Male sex survey: Gay activity low + + A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough + examination of American men's sexual practices published since + the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2 + percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and + 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual. + + The figures on homosexuality in the study released Wednesday + by the Alan Guttmacher Institute are significantly lower than + the 10 percent figure that has been part of the conventional + wisdom since it was published in the Kinsey report. + +The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. +The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. +Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, +and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that +homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general +male population. It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for +straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically +how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. +-- +Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! +Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. +",18 +6933,"From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) +Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton +Organization: Sorcerer's Apprentice Cleaning Services +In-Reply-To: strnlght@netcom.com's message of Sat, 17 Apr 1993 04:41:19 GMT +Nntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com +Lines: 26 + +In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: + Here's a simple way to convert the Clipper proposal to an unexceptionable + one: Make it voluntary. + + That is--you get high quality secure NSA classified technology if you agree + to escrow your key. Otherwise you are on your own. + +That's the disturbing part - use of other products IS voluntary, for now, +and the press releases talk about the White House's unwillingness to +decide that citizens have a right to good commercial crypto gear, +and about how commercial alternatives will be permitted as long as +they provide key escrow services. That's a clear implication that +they're considering banning alternatives. + +Additionally, use of real alternatives ISN'T totally legal - +you're not allowed to export really good crypto equipment except to +the government's friends (e.g. the Australian government) +you can only export even BAD crypto equipment with their permission, +and the regulators who control the cellular telephone companies make +sure there are only two competitors, so Joe's Garage Cellular can't +start offering a secure service. +-- +# Pray for peace; Bill +# Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ +# No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace.... +# White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461 +",11 +2481,"From: mcguire@utkvx.utk.edu (Michael A. McGuire) +Subject: Re: 2 questions about the Centris 650's RAM +Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center +X-Newsreader: VersaTerm Link v1.1 +Distribution: usa +Lines: 27 + +In Article <1993Apr16.075822.22121@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, +hlsw_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dave Hollinsworth) wrote: +>With a little luck, I could own a C650 sometime in the near future, and +>so I was just wondering if someone could clear these two questions up for me: +> +>1. What speed SIMMS does the C650 need/want? (I know that it needs 80ns +>VRAM...not sure for the main RAM.) +> + +60ns 72 pin simms. + +>2. I've heard two conflicting stories about the total expandibility of the +>C650's RAM...132 and 136 megs. Which is true? (Perhaps another phrasing +>would be better: does the 8 meg version come with all 8 megs on the logic +>board, or 4 megs + a 4 meg SIMM?) +> +2 configs: 4mb & 8mb. In each case the memory is soldered on the board +leaving the 4 simm sockets open. 132mb is the total addressable memory for a +650. + +>Just wondering.... +> + + +Michael A. McGuire, :-) +MCGUIRE@UTKVX.UTK.EDU +UTCC - User Services +",4 +1767,"From: rbspencer@vms.macc.wisc.edu +Subject: FTP Problem on Gateway 486DX50 +Organization: University of Wisconsin Chemistry Computing Center +Distribution: usa +Lines: 18 + +We have a Gateway 486DX50 with a SMC Elite16 Series Ethercard Plus. + +When we use NCSA FTP to send from the Gateway with hash turned on, we see +4 hash marks immediately. Then the computer r e a l l y drags. If we turn +off the internal cache of the 486, the speed is better, but doesn't match +the speed when we receive to the Gateway. + +It doesn't matter if we send from the Gateway or get to it: 4 hash marks and +then extreme slowness if the cache is not disabled. + +Does anyone know any more about this? Is there a fix? + +The Gateway was purchased in June, 1992. + +Please respond directly. You wouldn't believe how slow the news is on this +system. + +Thanks. +",3 +10023,"From: Shelomoh*S*ZIENIUK <27916070@PLEARN.BITNET> +Subject: WARSAW GHETTO UPRISING 50TH ANNIVERSARY: A Visitor's ABC +Originator: tpm@israel.nysernet.org +Reply-To: 27916070@PLEARN.BITNET +Organization: Nysernet +Lines: 32 + +----------------------------Original message---------------------------- + D""SB + +Mincha, Tish(a Yamim La(Omer, Yom Chamishi, Y""D b'Nisan ThShN""G; +Universita Varsha b'Varsha, Galut HaMara Meod. + +SHALOM ALL! +Those of You visiting The Ghetto City these days might be +interested in the following events timetable (abridged): +19:00, Fri., 16th April, '93: Kabbalat Shabbat service at the Nozyk Shul + (6 Twarda Street, Warsaw -- a 10 mins' + walk from the Palace of Science & + Culture: the tallest building in the + city's centre, & the same distance from + the Central Railway Station). +09:30, Sat., 17th April, "" : Shacharit L'Shabbat service, Nozyk Shul. +11:30, Sun., 18th April, "" : The Fallen Ones Memorial service, Nozyk Shul. +13:00, Sun., 18th April, "" : Memorial Ceremony at the Jewish Cemetery + (Okopowa Street, Warsaw). +18:00, Sun., 18th April, "" : Official Arts Programme at the Congress Hall + (a building adjacent to the Palace of + Science & Culture, which -- like the Shul + -- is located a quarter's walk from most of + downtown hotels: Bristol, Forum, Victoria, + Europejski, Holiday Inn, Marriott). +12:00, Mon., 19th April, "" : Laying of Wreaths at the Ghetto Heros + Monument. + +Shabbat Shalom UL'Hitraot B'Varsha! +Shelomoh*Slawek*ZIENIUK, student, Univ. of Warsaw (Dept. of Hebrew), Warsaw. +ani shalom v'khi adaber hema lamilchama: -- Tehillim Q""K:Z' +Guest e-mail account: <27916070@plearn.bitnet> +",17 +9449,"Subject: Re: Non-lethal alternatives to handguns? +From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Jason 'Think!' Steiner) +Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] +Lines: 16 + +douglas craig holland (holland@CS.ColoState.EDU) writes: +[...lostsa' crap deleted. trim your articles!...] + +> What about guns with non-lethal bullets, like rubber or plastic +> bullets. Would those work very well in stopping an attack? + +last i heard, ""non-lethal"" was a bit of a misnomer for these things. + +jason + +-- +`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` +`,` Democrat: Give us your money. _We'll_ solve your problems. `,` +`,` Republican: Give us your money. We'll ignore your problems. `,` +`,` Libertarian: Keep your money. Solve your own problems. `,` +`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,` +",16 +4930,"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) +Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impacts f +Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 +Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 41 + +Jonathan E. Quist, on the Thu, 15 Apr 1993 14:26:42 GMT wibbled: +: In article txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes: +: >>In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says: + +: [lots of things, none of which are quoted here] + +: >>>In article rgu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes: +: >>> You think your *average* dirt biker can jump +: >>>a 3 foot log? +: > +: >How about an 18"" log that is suspended about 18"" off of the ground? +: >For that matter, how about a 4"" log that is suspended 2.5' off of the +: >ground? + +: Oh, ye of little imagination. + +:You don't jump over those -that's where you lay the bike down and slide under! +: -- +: Jonathan E. Quist + +The nice thing about horses though, is that if they break down in the middle of +nowhere, you can eat them. Fuel's a bit cheaper, too. +-- + +Nick (the 90 HP Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford Giddy-Up! + +M'Lud. + + ___ ___ ___ ___ + {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. + ' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' Currently incarcerated at BNR, + ___ ___ ___ ___ Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. + |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" + ` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 + . + _ _ _ __ . + / ~ ~~\ | / ~~ \ + |_______| [_______| + _:_ + |___| + +",8 +6059,"From: farenebt@logic.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) +Subject: Re: AHL Calder Cup Playoff preview +Organization: Clarkson University +Lines: 37 +Nntp-Posting-Host: logic.clarkson.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +Daryl Turner (umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca) wrote: +: In article <1993Apr14.193524.25755@news.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) writes: +: > +: >ATLANTIC DIVISION +: > +: > ST JOHN'S MAPLE LEAFS VS MONCTON HAWKS +: > MONCTON HAWKS +: >See CD Islanders. Moncton is a very similar team to CDI. Low scoring, +: >defensive, good goaltending. John Leblanc and Stu Barnes are the only +: >noticable guns on the team. But the defense is top notch and +: >Mike O'Neill is the most underrated goalie in the league. +: > + +: Bri, as I have tried to tell you since 2 February, Michael O'Neill +: might be the most underrated goalie in the AHL, but he ISN'T in the +: AHL. He's on the Winnipeg Jets' injury list, as he has been since +: his first NHL start against the Ottawa Senators. He's out until +: next year after surgery to repair a shoulder separation. + +: Stu Barnes might be an AHL gun for the Hawks, but he's now the third +: line center with the Jets, and has been since mid January or so. + +Sorry, my memory is gone. I thought that O'Neill got sent back +down in February but I must have been given incorrect info. I guess +this says it all about Moncton because Barnes is still one of +their top 3 or so scorers even though he's been out since January. + + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + + Bri Farenell farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu + + + AHL and ECAC contact for rec.sport.hockey Go USA Hockey! + + + Adirondack Red Wings, Calder Cup Champs: '81 '86 '89 '92 + + + Clarkson Hockey, ECAC Tournament Champs: '66 '91 '93 + + + Glens Falls High Hockey, NY Division II State Champs: '90 '91 + + + AHL fans: join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu + + + CONGRATS TO THE BOSTON BRUINS, 1992-93 ADAMS DIVISION CHAMPIONS + + + PHOENIX SUNS, 1992-93 PACIFIC DIVISION CHAMPIONS + + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +",10 +1904,"From: mlipsie@rdm09.std.com (Mike Lipsie MPU) +Subject: Re: Splitting drives into two - does it make them faster? +Organization: Mitsubishi Electric Research Laboratories, Inc. +Lines: 33 + +In article <6D8q2B5w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> andyross@infopls.chi.il.us (Andrew Rossmann) writes: +>guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) writes: +> +>> > the partitions take up disk space, having 3 or 4 partition will cost +>> > somewhere between 4-8 meg of hard disk space, if you can afoord this +>> > luxury more power to you, its your choice. +>> > +>> +>> Where does all this disk space go? The DOS partition table is fixed length +>> and every hard disk carries one. What is useing this lost 4-8MB? +> +> If I remember right, the partition table is allocated an entire CYLINDER. +>To find out how much it takes up, you need to calculate: +>heads * sectors * 512 +> +> Also, if you create an extended partition, there is a second 'partition' +>in there for the logical drives. + +I think the original respondent (Guy Dawson?) was refering to something +much more elementary. + +Every partition (whether it is the entire disk or not) has two FATs and +an initial directory. + +If you have a small disk (50 meg or less), I would recommend that it remain +a single partition. Unless you have some other consideration. + +If you have a large disk (greater than 200 meg), multiple partitions can +make sense. + +-- +Mike Lipsie (work) mlipsie@ca.merl.com +Mitsubishi Electronic Research Laboratory (home) mikel@dosbears.UUCP +",3 +7039,"From: hanavin@huey.udel.edu (Chuck Hanavin) +Subject: Re: HeathKit/Zenith +Nntp-Posting-Host: huey.udel.edu +Organization: University of Delaware, Newark +Lines: 7 + +In article $LOGIN@austin.ibm.com writes: +> +>Does anyone out there have the toll-free (catalog request and order line) for +>Heathkit/Zenith? Please post the number if you've got it! Thanks. + +---------------------------------------------------- +1-800-253-0570 +",12 +6886,"Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only +From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin) + <1r0ausINNi01@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <1993Apr20.145338.14804@shearson.com> <1r47l1INN8gq@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> +Organization: Beckman Instruments, Inc. +Nntp-Posting-Host: dsg4.dse.beckman.com +Lines: 24 + +In <1r47l1INN8gq@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) writes: + +>In most cases information you come by properly is yours to use as you wish, +>but there are certainly exceptions. If you write a paper which includes +>sufficiently detailed information on how to build a nuclear weapon, it is +>classified. As I understand the law, nuclear weapons design is +>_automatically_ classified even if you do the work yourself. I believe you +>are then not allowed to read your own paper. + +This has now been thrown out by the courts. (The ""Progressive"" case.) + +>A less serious example: if you tell drivers about a speed trap they are +>about to run into, you can be fined, even though you might argue that you +>broke no law when you discovered the location of the policeman. The charge +>is interfering with a police officer, which is quite similar what you would +>be doing by reverse engineering the Clipper chip. + +This is outright illegal. It DOES violate the first amendment. If you +would, give a case in which your ""speed trap"" example has been upheld by +the courts. +-- +Arthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea +216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal) +My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer. +",11 +2954,"From: mjo@iao.ford.com (Mike O'Connor) +Subject: Re: Motif vs. [Athena, etc.] +Organization: Not an official spokesperson for Ford Motor Company +Lines: 21 +Reply-To: Mike O'Connor +NNTP-Posting-Host: ope209.iao.ford.com + +In article <1993Apr16.133856.21829@nrao.edu> rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU +(Richard Gooch) writes: + +: really involved there). Many people using Linux like to stay at the cutting +: (bleeding) edge: ie. when kernel patches, C library or compiler patches come +: out, people like to rebuild their entire systems. The prime requirement for +: all Linux software is that it is available under a GNU style public license. +: Hence, Linux software uses either the Athena widgets or XView. +: Individuals may write software requiring Motif, but I doubt it is widely +: adopted. + +Shameless plug -- the Xaw3d widgets make Athena a much nicer +alternative than the stock MIT Athena code. + + ...Mike + +-- + Michael J. O'Connor | Internet: mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com + Ford Motor Company, OPEO | UUCP: ...!fmsrl7!opeo!mjo + 20000 Rotunda, Bldg. 1-3001 | Phone: +1 (313) 248-1260 + Dearborn, MI 48121 | Fax: +1 (313) 323-6277 +",5 +1085,"From: holland@ug.cs.dal.ca (Shane A Holland) +Subject: Comments on Xtree for Windows ???? +Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada +Lines: 15 +Nntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca + + + I am looking for comments on Xtree (Pro ??) for Windows. I am +thinking of buying the product but I have not even seen it yet. + +Thank you... + + Shane Holland + + holland@ug.cs.dal.ca + + +-- + +----------------------------------------------------------------------- +holland@ug.cs.dal.ca maurack@ac.dal.ca +",2 +4682,"From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) +Subject: Re: Help with backpack +Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia +Lines: 20 +NNTP-Posting-Host: joesbar.cc.vt.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] + +Sanjay Sinha (sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu) wrote: + +: The next question is how shall I carry the thing on the bike, given +: the metal frame and all. I have a big backrest (approx 12"" high) and +: was hoping that I would be able to bungee cord the backpack to the backrest. + +: Any one have any experiences on such experimentation? + +Put the pack on the pillion and bungee it to the backrest. +If that is not possible then you should be able to bungee it behind the +backrest, just make sure it doesn't bend or break anything like the rear +fender or turnsignals. +-- + +******************************************************************************* +* Bill Ranck ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu * +* ""Cars making a sudden U-turn are the most dangerous. They may cut you off * +* entirely, blocking the whole roadway and leaving you no place to go."" * +* pg. 21, MSF Motorcycle Operator Manual, sixth rev. 1991 * +******************************************************************************* +",8 +3555,"From: moy@cae.wisc.edu (Howard Moy) +Subject: Madison WI summer sublet +Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering +Distribution: uwix +Lines: 35 + + + + +Downtown FURNISHED Summer Sublet + + May 15 thru Aug 15 + Great location at: + 215 N. Frances St. + & Johnson St. (Across Witte) + Near Nitty Gritty & Near Howard Johnson + Near State Street & Near South East Dorms + Near University Square & Near SERF + Two bedroom + Your own spacious room + (the larger!) + Laundry available + Parking available + Bathroom + Kitchen + Large Closet + Dual Desks + Just pay for electricity (~$7/month) + + Asking $500 for whole summer! + + Send inquiries to: + Howard + 608-255-6379 + moy@cae.wisc.edu + +-- +-Howard +_________________________________________________________ +! Howard Moy ! +! (608) 255-6379 ! +",6 +366,"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) +Subject: Re: some thoughts. +Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany +Lines: 12 + +In article +bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: + +> The arguements he uses I am summing up. The book is about whether +>Jesus was God or not. I know many of you don't believe, but listen to a +>different perspective for we all have something to gain by listening to what +>others have to say. + +Read the FAQ first, watch the list fr some weeks, and come back then. + +And read some other books on the matter in order to broaden your view first. + Benedikt +",0 +89,"From: jen187@its.CSIRO.AU (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812) +Subject: Re: islamic authority over women +Organization: CSIRO ITS +Lines: 41 + + +In article <1993Apr5.023044.19580@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: + + +|> +|> That's your mistake. It would be better for the children if the mother +|> raised the child. +|> +|> One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", +|> because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men. +|> Compare that with how homos are raised. Do a study and you will get my +|> point. +|> +|> But in no way do you have a claim that it would be better if the men +|> stayed home and raised the child. That is something false made up by +|> feminists that seek a status above men. You do not recognize the fact +|> that men and women have natural differences. Not just physically, but +|> mentally also. +|> + +Bobby, there's a question here that I just HAVE to ask. If all +of your posts aren't some sort of extended, elaborate hoax, why +are you trying so hard to convince the entire civilised world +that you're feeble minded? You have a talent for saying the most +absurd things. Here's a little sign for you, print it, cut it out +and put it on top of your computer/terminal. + + ENGAGE BRAIN PRIOR TO OPERATING KEYBOARD + + +(Having said all that, I must admit we all get a laugh from +your stuff.) + + + + +-- + +| Graham Jenkins | graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au | +| CSIRO | (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | +| Canberra, AUSTRALIA | Research Organisation) | +",0 +9324,"From: salaris@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits) +Subject: Re: Satan kicked out of heaven: Biblical? +Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network +Lines: 23 + +In article , easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet writes: +> Hello all, +> I have a question about Satan. I was taught a long time ago +> that Satan was really an angel of God and was kicked out of heaven +> because he challenged God's authority. The problem is, I cannot +> find this in the Bible. Is it in the Bible? If not, where did it +> originate? +> +Satan was one of God's highest ranking angels, like Uriel, Raphael, +Michael, and Gabriel. In fact, his name was Satanel. He did challenge +God's authority and got kicked out of heaven. A lot of the mythology +of Satan (he lost the -el suffix when he fell) comes from the +Book of Enoch and is not found in the bible. + +Read the Book of Enoch, available thru bookstores, or get the book +called ""Angels: an endangered species"" (I think). + + +-- +Steven C. Salaris We're...a lot more dangerous than 2 Live Crew +salaris@carcs1.wustl.edu and their stupid use of foul language because + we have ideas. We have a philosophy. + Geoff Tate -- Queensryche +",15 +8923,"From: alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin) +Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance +Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder +Lines: 66 + +In article kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) writes: +>Dean Velasco quoted a letter from James M Stowell, president of +>Moody Bible Institute: +> +>> We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant +>> moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed +>> His truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic +>> importance of those absolutes."" +> +>There has been a lot of discussion, but so far nobody seems to have hit on +>exactly what the criticism of ""arrogance"" is aimed at. +> +> +> +>This is where the ""arrogance of Christians"" arises: many people believe +>that their own personal research can give them absolute certainty about the +>doctrines of Christianity -- they are implicitly claiming that they are +>infallible, and that there is no possibility of mistake. +> +>Claiming that you CANNOT have made a mistake, and that your thinking has led +>you to a flawless conclusion, is pretty arrogant. + +I agree with what Darren has to say here, but would like to add a +personal observation. What I see as arrogance and the problem I have +with it is not a sense of personal certainty, but a lack of respect for +others who come to differing conclusions. Clearly, this is not just +Christian vs. Non-Christian; there is a whole spectrum of belief systems +within Christianity. I do not tend to argue with others about matters +of personal faith because, like aesthetics, it is not demonstable by +objective means. + +Choosing what to believe and rely on are important areas of personal +sovereignty. What bothers me is when others suggest that, in these +matters of faith, their specific beliefs are not only true to them +but are absolute and should be binding on others. It follows from this +that God must give everyone the same revelation of truth, and thus +anyone who comes to a different conclusion is intentionally choosing +the wrong path. This is the arrogance I see; a lack of respect for the +honest conclusions of others on matters which are between them and God. +Even a personal certainty leaves room for the beliefs of others. It is +universalizing those matters of personal faith, coupled by a proud +notion that one's relationship with God is superior to other's, that +leads to arrogance. In my honest (and nonuniversal) opinion. :-) + + +>Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu +>""At the core of all well-founded belief, lies belief that is unfounded."" +> -- Ludwig Wittgenstein + +comments, criticism welcome... +-Ken +alvin@ucsu.colorado.edu + +[It is certainly reasonable to ask for some humility about our own +ability to know the truth. There are also different paths in some +areas of practice. But I'd like to see more clarification about what +you mean when you reject the idea of saying ""their specific beliefs +are not only true to them but are absolute and should be binding on +others."" If something is true, it is true for everyone, assuming that +the belief is something about God, history, etc. Of course something +of the form ""I believe that it's best for me not to xxx"" could be true +for some people and not others. I have suggested in the past that God +may be less concerned about doctrinal agreement than many people are. +But that doesn't mean I doubt that there is a difference between +true and false, nor that I think there is no benefit in finding out +what is true. --clh] +",15 +10650,"From: paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann) +Subject: Re: CLINTON: President to Nominate Carter for Nuclear Security Post +Organization: HSH Associates +Lines: 28 + +In article <1qgbljINNn4o@life.ai.mit.edu>, Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) writes: +> +> THE WHITE HOUSE +> Office of the President +> For Immediate Release April 13, 1993 +> +> PRESIDENT TO NOMINATE CARTER FOR NUCLEAR SECURITY + +No, no, no! Bill, please, don't nominate ANYone who pronounces it +""noo-q-lar""! Jimmy always used to drive everyone nuts when he did that! +And don't let Amy anywhere near! And... + +> (Washington, DC) The President announced today that he intends +> to nominate Ashton Carter, the Director of Harvard's Center for +> Science and International Affairs, to be Assistant Secretary of +> Defense for Nuclear Security and Counter-Proliferation. + +{Emily Litella voice} + +...never mind. + +------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ + +Paul Havemann (Internet: paul@hsh.com) + + * They're not just opinions -- they're caffeine for the brain! * + ** (Up to 50 milligrams per cynical observation.) ** + Recommended Minimum Daily Requirement: 1,000 mg. Keep reading. +",18 +8267,"From: dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock) +Subject: Washington Post Article on SSF Redesign +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 +Nntp-Posting-Host: tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov +Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio +Lines: 52 + +""Space Station Redesign Leader Says Cost Goal May Be +Impossible"" + +Today (4/6) the Washington Post ran an article with the +headline shown above. The article starts with ""A leader +of the NASA team in charge of redesigning the planned +space station said yesterday the job is tough and may +be impossible."" O'Connor is quoted saying whether it is +possible to cut costs that much and still provide for +meaningful research ""is a real question for me."" +O'Connor said ""everything is fair game,"" including +""dropping or curtailing existing contracts with the +aerospace industry, chopping management of the space +station program at some NASA facilities around the +country, working closely with the Russian space station +Mir, and using unmanned Titan rockets to supplement the +manned space shuttle fleet."" + +O'Connor says his team has reviewed 30 design options +so far, and they are sorting the serious candidates +into three categories based on cost. + +The Post says O'Connor described the design derived +from the current SSF as a high cost option (I believe +Kathy Sawyer, the Post writer, got confused here. I +listened in on part of O'Connor's briefing to the press +on Monday, and in one part of the briefing O'Connor +talked about how the White House wants three options, +sorted by cost [low, medium, and high]. In another part +of the briefing, he discussed the three teams he has +formed to look at three options [SSF derivative @ LaRC, +modular buildup with Bus-1 @ MSFC, and Single Launch +Core [""wingless Orbiter""] @ JSC. Later, in response to +a reporters question, I thought I heard O'Connor say +the option based on a SSF redesign was a ""moderate"" +cost option, in between low & high cost options. Not +the ""high cost"" option as Sawyer wrote). + +The article goes on to describe the other two options +as ""one features modules that could gradually be fitted +together in orbit, similar to the Russian Mir. The +other is a core facility that could be deposited in +orbit in a single launch, like Skylab. That option +would use existing hardware from the space shuttle - +the fuselage, for example, in its basic structure."" + +The last sentence in the article contradicts the title +& the first paragraph. The sentence reads ""He +[O'Connor] said a streamlined version of the planned +space station Freedom is still possible within the +administration's budget guidelines."" + +",14 +8656,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) +Subject: Stephen Hawking Tours JPL +Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory +Lines: 68 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov +Keywords: JPL +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +From the ""JPL Universe"" +April 23, 1993 + +Cosmologist Stephen Hawking tours Lab + +By Karre Marino + Some 15 years after his first visit to JPL, Prof. Stephen +Hawking, Lucasian professor of mathematics at Cambridge +University and author of ""A Brief History of Time,"" returned to +the Lab April 5. + On a tour hosted by JPL Chief Scientist Dr. Moustafa Chahine +and Merle McKenzie, manager of the International Affairs Office, +Hawking visited a variety of facilities, met with Lab Director +Dr. Edward Stone and various project scientists and managers, and +felt ""like royalty,"" he said. Hawking, whose theories attempt to +explain the origin of distant galaxies, black holes and alternate +dimensions, wanted to re-visit JPL, he explained, ""because while +I'm most interested in those things in space that are farther +away, I know that here is where the first steps are taken."" + Hawking, who was accompanied by his family, two graduate +students and his aides, began the tour in von Karman Auditorium, +as David Evans, deputy assistant Lab director in the Office of +Flight Projects, and Dr. Arden Albee, Mars Observer's project +scientist, briefed him on current and past flight projects. + Voyager was pointed out to him, with special attention paid +to a gold plate with a series of engraved images. Should +extraterrestrial life stumble upon the spacecraft, Evans noted, +they would find a variety of images that would explain something +of Earth. The professor asked if we were still communicating with +the spacecraft, and Evans affirmed that we are. + Using a model of Mars Observer, Albee spent several minutes +describing the project and the spacecraft's features. In answer +to a question from Hawking, Chahine described a proposed +drag-free satellite, but confirmed that at this point, ""it's only +a concept."" Chahine, who had met Hawking at Caltech about five +years before, described the professor as ""a living miracle of the +power of the brain. He's miraculous, and he has such a good sense +of humor."" + The next stop, a demonstration on scientific data +visualization in Section 384's Digital Image Animation Lab, +entertained and delighted the group, as everyone donned goggles +to view 3-D images of Mars. Project Scientist Dr. Eric De Jong +showed off the latest data -- a comet that had only recently been +discovered in orbit close to Jupiter. Hawking was curious about +its composition, and as he was shown how images are developed, he +asked several questions on their interpretation. + Norman Haynes, ALD, Office of Telecommunications and Data +Acquisition, briefed the professor on the Space Flight Operations +Facility, and then Hawking spoke with Stone. + The day ended with two technical discussions of particular +interest to the professor. Technical Group Leader Dr. Frank +Estabrook and Senior Research Scientist Hugo Wahlquist described +a three-spacecraft gravity wave experiment, currently under way. +Then planetary astronomer Dr. Richard Terrile explained the +philosophy and plans for extra solar system planetary detection. + The Hawking party, which had been visiting Southern +California for five weeks, was headquartered at Caltech, and +planned to leave for England within a few weeks after the Lab +tour. Upon departing, the Cambridge-based scientist promised +Chahine that he would return to JPL for another visit. + ### + ___ _____ ___ + /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov + | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | + ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand +/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and +|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. + +",14 +6731,"From: mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu (Mark Riordan) +Subject: List of large integer arithmetic packages +Organization: Michigan State University +Lines: 285 +NNTP-Posting-Host: scss3.cl.msu.edu +Summary: C functions to do arbitrary-precision arith +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +This is the file BIGNUMS.TXT from ripem.msu.edu, last updated April 1993. + +In response to Email requests, I have assembled this list of +large-integer arithmetic packages of which I have heard. +Most of these are C function libraries, available in source form. + +For your convenience, I have placed copies of +some of these on ripem.msu.edu (35.8.1.178). They are +available for anonymous FTP in the directory ""pub/bignum"". +However, what I have may not be the most current version in all cases. + +Here they are, in no particular order: + +mp + Multiple Precision package that comes with some Unixes + + Multiple precision package accessed via -lmp flag on your + compiler. Provides +, -, *, /, gcd, exponentiation, + sqrt. Comes with SunOS, NeXT Mach, BBN Mach 1000, + and probably a few others. See ""man mp"". + Object code only, of course. + +PARI + Henri Cohen, et al., Universite Bordeaux I, Paris, FRANCE + + Multiple precision desk calculator and library routines. + Contains optimized assembly code for Motorola 68020, + semi-optimized code for SPARC, and apparently rather slow + generic C version. Does both integers and reals. + Does vectors and matrices as well as scalars. + Contains a number of advanced functions, some of which I've + never heard of. (""Weber's function""?) + Has a factorization function, primality test, & other related stuff. + Plenty of TEX documentation. + Public domain, but you can't distribute modified versions. + Available via anonymous FTP from math.ucla.edu. There seem to + be Mac- and NeXT-specific versions there in addition to: + Filename: pari-1.35a.tar.Z + +Arithmetic in Global Fields (Arith) + Kevin R. Coombes, David R. Grant + + Package of routines for arbitrary precision integers or + polynomials over finite fields. Includes basic +, -, *, / + and a few others like gcd. Source code in C. + Distributed under the terms of the GNU public license. + Includes man pages and TEX documentation. + Filename: arith.tar.Z + +Arbitrary Precision Math Library + Lloyd Zusman Los Gatos, CA + + C package which supports basic +, -, *, /. Provides for radix + points (i.e., non-integers). Not as polished as the others here. + Posted to comp.sources.misc in October 1988. + Filename: apml.tar.Z + +BigNum + J. Vuillemin, INRIA, FRANCE, and others. + Distributed by Digital Equipment Paris Research Lab (DECPRL) + + A ""portable and efficient arbitrary-precision integer"" package. + C code, with generic C ""kernel"", plus assembly ""kernels"" for + MC680x0, Intel i960, MIPS, NS32032, Pyramid, and of course VAX. + This is probably one of the better-known packages of this type. + Implements +, -, *, /, mod, plus logical operations OR, AND, XOR. + Both signed and unsigned arithmetic available. + Available via email from librarian@decprl.dec.com. + You will receive 5 shell archives. Give your postal address + and you will also receive printed documentation from France. + Package includes TEX documentation. + Publicly available for non-commercial use. + I removed this from my archive when I heard a rumor that PRL + doesn't like others to distribute it. However, BIGNUM *is* + distributed as part of ecpp (see below). + +Lenstra's package + Arjen Lenstra Bellcore + + Portable unsigned integer package written entirely in C. + Includes +, -, *, /, exponentiation, mod, primality testing, + sqrt, random number generator, and a few others. The package + was uncommented and undocumented; I have tried to add enough + comments to get by. This is the only of these packages that I + have actually used. It works well and is very portable. + I haven't done any benchmarks against the others, but the code + looks clever & Lenstra is an accomplished number theorist. + Unlike the other packages here, this one requires you to allocate + storage statically--only a problem if your numbers are really huge. + Arjen has placed the code in the public domain. + Filename: lenstra.tar.Z + +lenstra_3.1 + Arjen Lenstra, Bellcore + + An improved version of Arjen's package above. This one + does signed arithmetic and dynamic allocation (which can be turned + off as an option). Has a few new routines, too. ""lenstra_3.1"" contains + minor bugfixes to the previously-available ""lenstra_2"" and ""lenstra_3"". + Filename: lenstra_3.1.c + +bmp (Brent's Multiple Precision?) + R. P. Brent + + 1981 vintage FORTRAN code to do extended precision floating & + fixed point arithmetic. Includes most of the mathematical + functions you'd find in a FORTRAN run-time library. + This code is an ACM algorithm, number 524. + To obtain, send a mail message to netlib@ornl.gov + containing the line ""send mp.f from bmp"" or better yet, perhaps + just start with ""help"". + +SPX + Kannan Alagappan & Joseph Tardo, DEC + + This is a huge prototype public key authentication system + based on RSA. I mention it here because those who have heard + of SPX have probably correctly guessed that it contains a large + integer package and I want to inform you that the large integer + package it contains is indeed DEC's BigNum from France. + You can get a beta test copy of SPX from crl.dec.com (192.58.206.2). + Use it only for testing, as it ""may"" expire on a certain date. + (I don't know whether this has expired yet.) + +amp (Antti's Multiple Precision?) + Antti Louko alo@kampi.hut.fi + + Multiple precision integer package in C. Includes +, -, *, /, %, + pow, mod, 1/x mod y, random, sqrt, gcd. Available for non-commercial + use. The package includes ""share-secret"", a public key system based + on the Diffie-Hellman algorithm. + This is normally part of the well-known ""des-dist.tar.Z"", + but I have removed the DES part to avoid having to deal with + cryptographic export laws, and have named the result: + Filename: amp.tar.Z + +gennum + Per Bothner U of Wisconsin-Madison + + C++ routines and classes to do generic arithmetic, both + integer and rational. + Formerly available on sevenlayer.cs.wis.edu. However, it + seems to have disappeared. Sorry. + +MIRACL + (By someone in Dublin, Ireland) + + Integer and fractional multiple precision package. + Includes factorization, primality testing, encryption. + Not public domain, apparently. It is available from the Austin + Code Works. (See ads in Byte Magazine or Dr. Dobbs.) + +precision + Dave Barrett barrettd@tigger.colorado.edu + + Multiple precision integer package in C with +,-,*,/, sqrt, rand, + mod, pow, log. Simple vector support. Does dynamic allocation of memory. + Free as long as you don't sell it or any program that uses it. + Filename: precision.tar.Z + +UBASIC + Prof. Yuji Kida, Rikkyo University, Nishi-Ikebukuro 3, Tokyo 171, Japan + kida@rkmath.rikkyo.ac.jp + + Multiple-precision version of the BASIC programming language, + for MS-DOS. Includes floating point. Said (by Keith Briggs) + to be pretty fast. Object only, I think. ervin@morekypr.bitnet + says: ""This is the best package that I know of for + fast arithmetic. Has a version optimized for 386 machines. Includes + routines to do MPQS, the fastest currently known general factoring + algorithm. An additional file is at both sites to allow MPQS to use + hard drives so that it can factor up to 80 digits. Many number + theoretical functions are included in UBASIC. It allows over 2500 + digits of precision."" + Available via anonymous FTP from shape.mps.ohio-state.edu, + or simtel20.army.mil, or wuarchive.wustl.edu. + +calc_v22 + Unknown + + MS-DOS C-like language that allows ""infinite"" precision. + Nice intrinsic functions. ervin@morekypr.bitnet reports problems + when changing precision on the fly. + See simtel20 or wuarchive. + +briggs_arith + Keith Briggs (kbriggs@mundoe.maths.mu.oz.au) + + Turbo Pascal 5 source for routines that do multiple-precision + +, -, *, /, sqrt, gcd, factoring, rand for integers; also includes + +, -, *, / and rand for rational numbers. + Filename: briggs_arith.pas + +Institute fur Experimentelle Mathematik + Dr Gerhard Schneider (?) + + Fast C multiple-precision subroutine library. + I don't know anything about it; sl25@ely.cl.cam.ac.uk says + to contact MAT420@DE0HRZ1A.BITNET for more info. + Postal Address: + Institute fur Experimentelle Mathematik + EllernStr 29 + D4300 Essen-12 GERMANY + +LongInt + Markus Mueller (mueller@komsys.tik.ethz.ch) + + ""Multi precision arithmetic written in MODULA-2, with the most time critical + parts written in Assembler. Includes basic arithmetics (+, -, *, /, %) as + well as arithmetics MODULO a number. An additional module provides a + collection of procedures for primality testing, gcd, multiplicative + inverse and more. The package is part of a Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM) + package which includes a PEM mailer, RSA key generator and Certificate + generation tools."" + + Source is in Modula-2, C, and assembler for Sun 3. LongInt has + also been ported to MS-DOS under Logitech Modula-2 and Turbo + Assembler. Availability: free for university use (research and + education); otherwise, a source license is required. To obtain, + write or email to: + + Markus Mueller + Bertastrasse 7 + CH-8953 Dietikon + Switzerland + email: mueller@komsys.tik.ethz.ch + +bignum-1.2 + Henrik.Johansson@Nexus.Comm.SE + + Bignum package written in portable C. Will in the future + conform to the Common Lisp functions that handles integers. + Currently includes +, -, *, /, exponentiation, ""exptmod"", + comparison, random numbers, and gcd. + Filename: bignum-1.2 + +GNU Multiple Precision + GNU (Free Software Foundation) multiple precision package. + I haven't looked at it yet. This is current as of April 1992, + but there may be a more recent version by the time you read + this. This package is very widely available on FTP sites. + Filename: gmp-1.2.tar.Z + +Elliptic Curve Primality Proving + Francois Morian, France. + + Large package to prove the primality of any prime. + Includes Inria's BIGNUM package. + Obtained from ftp.inria.fr (128.93.1.26). + Filename: ecpp.V3.4.1.tar.Z + +PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) + Philip Zimmermann prz@sage.cgd.ucar.EDU + + Intel-based crypto package that includes bignum routines in C, + said to be quite fast for Intel processors. Unix and Mac + versions also available. + The crypto package violates RSA patents, but the bignum routines + can be used without fear of legal repercussions. + +Bell's Arbitrary Precision Calculator + David I. Bell, Australia (dbell@pdact.pd.necisa.oz.au) + + Arbitrary-precision calculator with good online help, C-like + language, many builtin functions, support for integers, + rational numbers (they work like floating point), complex numbers, + matrices, strings, lists, files, ""objects"". Includes + gcd, primality testing, even trig functions. Recommended. + (Large package, though.) Obtained from comp.sources.unix. + Filename: calc-1.24.7.tar.Z + +Built-in support in other languages + Various + + Multiple precision arithmetic is available in a number of + programming languages, such as Lisp and ABC (cf. mcsun.eu.net). + Perl (by Larry Wall, available from devvax.jpl.nasa.gov) + includes source, in Perl, for such a package, but it's probably + not suitable for serious use. + For some of these, source code may be available. This list is + long enough, so I'm not going to pursue it aggressively. + +Thanks to Ed Vielmetti and several others who contributed to this list. + +Mark Riordan mrr@ripem.msu.edu +",11 +8367,"From: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) +Subject: Re: Space Debris +Organization: NASA Langley Research Center +Lines: 7 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) +NNTP-Posting-Host: tahiti.larc.nasa.gov + +There is a guy in NASA Johnson Space Center that might answer +your question. I do not have his name right now but if you follow +up I can dig that out for you. + +C.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov + +Claudio Oliveira Egalon +",14 +825,"From: ktt3@unix.brighton.ac.uk (Koon Tang) +Subject: PostScript driver for GINO +Organization: The Univerity of Brighton, U.K. +Lines: 15 + +Does anybody know where I can get, via anonymous ftp or otherwise, a PostScript +driver for the graphics libraries GINO verison 3.0A ? + +We are runnining on a VAX/VMS and are looking for a way outputing our plots to a +PostScript file... + + +Thanks in advance... +-- +Koon Tang, internet: ktt3@unix.bton.ac.uk +Department of Mathematical Sciences, uucp: uknet!itri!ktt3 +University of Brighton, +Brighton, +BN2 4GJ, +U.K. +",1 +8310,"From: MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@rockwell.com (""RWTMS2::MUNIZB"") +Subject: Space Event in Los Angeles, CA +X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest +Organization: [via International Space University] +Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU +Distribution: sci +Lines: 52 + + FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: OASIS (310) 364-2290 + + 15 April 1993 Los Angeles, CA + + LOCAL NATIONAL SPACE SOCIETY CHAPTERS SPONSOR TALK BY L.A. + ADVOCATE OF LUNAR POWER SYSTEM AS ENERGY SOURCE FOR THE WORLD + + On April 21, the OASIS and Ventura County chapters of the National +Space Society will sponsor a talk by Lunar Power System (LPS) co- +inventor and vice-president of the LPS Coalition, Dr. Robert D. +Waldron. It will be held at 7:30 p.m. at the Rockwell Science +Center in Thousand Oaks, CA. + + Dr. Waldron is currently a Technical Specialist in Space +Materials Processing with the Space Systems Division of Rockwell +International in Downey, California. He is a recognized world +authority on lunar materials refinement. He has written or +coauthored more than 15 articles or reports on nonterrestrial +materials processing or utilization. Along with Dr. David +Criswell, Waldron invented the lunar/solar power system concept. + + Momentum is building for a coalition of entrepreneurs, legal +experts, and Soviet and U.S. scientists and engineers to build +the Lunar Power System, a pollution-free, energy source with a +potential to power the globe. + + For the past three years members of the coalition, nearly half +from California, have rejuvenated the commercial and scientific +concept of a solar power system based on the Moon. + + The LPS concept entails collecting solar energy on the lunar +surface and beaming the power to Earth as microwaves transmitted +through orbiting antennae. A mature LPS offers an enormous +source of clean, sustainable power to meet the Earth's ever +increasing demand using proven, basic technology. + + OASIS (Organization for the Advancement of Space +Industrialization) is the Greater Los Angeles chapter of the +National Space Society, which is an international non-profit +organization that promotes development of the space frontier. +The Ventura County chapter is based in Oxnard, CA. + + WHERE: Rockwell Science Center Auditorium, 1049 Camino + Dos Rios, Thousand Oaks, CA. + + DIRECTIONS: Ventura Freeway 101 to Thousand Oaks, exit onto + Lynn Road heading North (right turn from 101 + North, Left turn from 101 South), after about 1/2 + mile turn Left on Camino Dos Rios, after about 1/2 + mile make First Right into Rockwell after Camino + Colindo, Parking at Top of Hill to the Left + +",14 +495,"From: steveq@DIALix.oz.au (Steve Quartly) +Subject: WANTED: SIRD Alogorythmn +Summary: WANTED: A Sird Alogorythmn +Keywords: Sird +Article-I.D.: DIALix.1praaa$pqv +Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia +Lines: 12 +NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.dialix.oz.au +X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #1 + +Hi, + +I'm interested in writing a program to generate a SIRD picture, you know +the stereogram where you cross your eyes and the picture becomes 3D. + +Does anyone have one or know where I can get one? + +Please e-mail to steveq@sndcrft.DIALix.oz.au with any replies. + +Many thanks for your help. + +Steve Q. +",1 +8081,"From: matthews@Oswego.EDU (Harry Matthews) +Subject: Re: GETTING AIDS FROM ACUPUNCTURE NEEDLES +Reply-To: matthews@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Harry Matthews) +Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY +Lines: 22 + +In article <1r4f8b$euu@agate.berkeley.edu> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes: +> +> someone wrote in expressing concern about getting AIDS from acupuncture +> needles..... +> +>Unless your friend is sharing fluids with their acupuncturist who +>themselves has AIDS..it is unlikely (not impossible) they will get AIDS +>from acupuncture needles. Generally, even if accidently inoculated, the normal +>immune response should be enough to effectively handle the minimal contaminant +>involved with acupuncture needle insertion. +> +Isn't this what HIV is about - the ""normal immune response"" to an exposure? + +>Most acupuncturists use disposable needles...use once and throw away. + +I had electrical pulse nerve testing done a while back. The needles were taken +from a dirty drawer in an instrument cart and were most certainly NOT +sterile or even clean for that matter. More than likely they were fresh +from the previous patient. I WAS concerned, but I kept my mouth shut. I +probably should have raised hell! + +Any comments? No excuses. +",13 +11289,"From: cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (cutter) +Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? +Distribution: world +Organization: Gordian Knot, Gloster,GA +Lines: 26 + +bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: + +> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice) writes: +> > +> >One way or another -- so much for patience. Too bad you couldn't just +> >wait. Was the prospect of God's Message just too much to take? +> +> So you believe that David Koresh really is Jesus Christ? +> + +You know, everybody scoffed at that guy they hung up on a cross too. +He claimed also to be the son of God; and it took almost two thousand +years to forget what he preached. + + Love thy neighbor as thyself. + + +Anybody else wonder if those two guys setting the fires were 'agent +provacateurs.' + + +--------------------------------------------------------------------- +cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (chris) All jobs are easy + to the person who + doesn't have to do them. + Holt's law +",19 +9600,"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) +Subject: Re: Insane Gun-toting Wackos Unite!!! +Lines: 21 +Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education +Distribution: na + +In article <1993Apr16.030706.3318@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes: + +>>> Do you know how many deaths each year are caused by self-inflicted gun- +>>> shot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters? +> +>There are roughly 1200 fatal, firearms-related accidents each year. +>The large majority involve rifles and shotgun; there are under 500 +>fatal handgun accidents each year. I really doubt all of those +>occur while the pistol is holstered, so the number of ""self-inflicted +>gunshot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters"" is probably +>well under 250 per year. + + I'm neither a doctor nor a firearms tech expert, but it would seem +that given the way a holstered gun points, accidental injuries inflicted +that way would be among the least lethal. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group +PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day +your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't +love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" +",16 +5843,"From: stimpy@dev-null.phys.psu.edu (Gregory Nagy) +Subject: Re: Good for hockey/Bad for hockey +Article-I.D.: dev-null.1praf3INNj2s +Organization: Penn State, Null Device Department +Lines: 35 +NNTP-Posting-Host: dev-null.phys.psu.edu + +In article <91548@hydra.gatech.EDU> gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) writes: +>>>> > >I prefer the Miami Colons myself. Headline: FLAMES BLOW OUT COLONS, 9-1 +>>>> > Would Kevin Dineen play for the Miami Colons??? +>>>> As a Flyers fan, I resent you making Kevin Dineen the butt of your +>>>> jokes:-)! +>>> Aw, just take a moment to digest it and I'm sure you'll see the humour... +>>If anybody is having problems following the thread be sure to ask the +>>origonal poster to rectify your misunderstanding. +> +> What about his rectum? + +It's bad jokes like that which draws crohns, I mean groans from the crowd... +Don't bother looking it up in the appendix, it's useless anyway. + +Just one more word of advice... + +If you go to a Miami game, stay away from any foods made with ""natural casings"" + +:) +-- + + __-----__ _______________________ + / _______ \ / \ + |_// \/ \ \_| / Hockey! Hockey! Hockey! \ + /__|O||O|__U\ \ Joy! Joy! Joy! / + |/_ \_/\_/ _U | \_______________________/ + | | (____) | || // Stimpson J Kat + \/\___/\__/ // // stimpy@dev-null.phys.psu.edu + (_/ _5_ ~~~| // nagy@physci.psu.edu + | \*/ |\/ nagy@cs.psu.edu + \___v_____/_/ nagy@crayola.cs.psu.edu + \____/---// nagy@love-shack.com + __|| _----- and oh yeah... + (____(____) GGN100@psuvm.[psu.edu,bitnet] + ~~~~ ~~~~ +",10 +4929,"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) +Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off! +Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 +Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 39 + +Evelyn Wells, on the 12 Apr 1993 11:43 CST wibbled: +: Once again, this morning I pulled up to the designated motorcycle +: parking area, only to find a cage pulled up behind the bikes. +: If people don't double-park cars, why do they do it to motorcycles? +: Never mind that rhetorical question, I know *why* they do it. + +: What I want to know is, what can I do about it? Carry pieces of +: paper that say ""Don't park your car in the motorcycle area!!"" ? +: Call the cops? Wait until they emerge from the building and berate +: them until they beg forgiveness? + +: Does anyone else have this problem, and what do you do about it? + +: Evie + +I don't know if you have a local branch where you are, but the preferred method +over here is to 'phone the IRA and tell them about the car and that it +belongs to an MP who is on a Northern Ireland Government Committee. An hour +or so later, and the car is no longer a problem. It's best not to park too +close to it, though. +-- + +Nick (the Vengeful Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford Plastic + +M'Lud. + + ___ ___ ___ ___ + {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. + ' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' Currently incarcerated at BNR, + ___ ___ ___ ___ Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. + |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" + ` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 + . + _ _ _ __ . + / ~ ~~\ | / ~~ \ + |_______| [_______| + _:_ + |___| + +",8 +5039,"From: vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Von Welch) +Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18 +Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois +Lines: 22 + +In article <1993Apr15.164644.7348@hemlock.cray.com>, ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) writes: +|> +|> How about someone letting me know MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #19 ? +|> +|> The far side of my instrument panel was scuffed when the previous owner +|> dumped the bike. Same is true for one of the turn signals. +|> +|> Both of the scuffed areas are black plastic. +|> +|> I recall reading somewhere, that there was some plastic compound you could coat +|> the scuffed areas with, then rub it down, ending with a nice smooth shiny +|> finish ? +|> + +In the May '93 Motorcyclist (pg 15-16), someone writes in and recomends using +rubberized undercoating for this. + +-- +Von Welch (vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu) NCSA Networking Development Group +'93 CBR600F2 '78 KZ650 '83 Subaru GL 4WD + +- I speak only for myself and those who think exactly like me - +",8 +3023,"From: gerard@dps.co.UK (Gerard O'Driscoll) +Subject: Re: Creating 8 bit windows on 24 bit display.. How? +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 58 +NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu +To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu + + +stolk@fwi.uva.nl writes: + +>> +>> A problem occurs when I try to create a window with a visual that is different +>> from the visual of the parent (which uses the default visual which is TC24). +>> + +You've got to set border_pixel in your window attributes. The default +is CopyFromParent which gives the BadMatch. Do this: + + ... + unsigned long valuemask; + ... + /* + * if border_width is non-zero you'd better alloc a colour from cmap + * rather than use any old pixel value. Also, use valuemask, it makes + * the code more obvious. + */ + attr.colormap = cmap; + attr.border_pixel = 0; + valuemask = CWColormap | CWBorderPixel; + win = XCreateWindow( + dpy, + DefaultRootWindow(dpy), + 10,10, + width,height, + 0, /* border width. see comment below */ + 8, /* depth */ + InputOutput, /* class */ + vinfo.visual, /* visual */ + valuemask, + &attr + ); + +A note on border_width: your code looked like this: + +>> win = XCreateWindow( +>> dpy, +>> DefaultRootWindow(dpy), +>> 10,10, +>> width,height, +>> CopyFromParent, /* border width */ +>> 8, /* depth */ +>> InputOutput, /* class */ +>> vinfo.visual, /* visual */ +>> CWColormap, +>> &attr +>> ); + +border_width set to CopyFromParent works but doesn't make sense. +border_width should be an unsigned int. You get away with it because +CopyFromParent is #define'ed to be zero in X.h. If it happened to be +defined as -1 you'd get a very interesting looking window! + + Gerard O'Driscoll (gerard.odriscoll@dps.co.uk) + Du Pont Pixel Systems Ltd. + +",5 +5677,"From: kkerr@MK (Kevin Kerr) +Subject: Re: WFAN +Lines: 41 +Nntp-Posting-Host: kerr.dseg.ti.com +Organization: ENGINEERING AUTOMATION + +In article philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) writes: +>From: philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) +>Subject: Re: WFAN +>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 17:19:09 GMT + +>In article <1993Apr15.151202.3551@Virginia.EDU> jja2h@Virginia.EDU ("""") writes: +>>Does any one out there listen to WFAN? For those of you who do +>>not know what I am talking about, it is an all sports radio +>>staion in New York. On a clear night the signal reaches up and +>>down the East coast. In particular, I want to know how Len +>>Berman and Mike Lupica's show is. I go to school in Virginia +>>so I can't listen when there are on during the day. Just +>>wondering. + +>The FAN is an okay Sports Radio station, but doesn't come close to +>the ULTIMATE in Sports Radio, 610 WIP in Philadelphia. The signal +>might not be as powerful, but then again only stations in New York +>feel ""obligated"" to pollute everyone else's airwaves with a bunch of +>hoodlum Mets fans complaining 24 hours a day. WIP took two of your +>best sports jockeys too, Jody MacDonald and Steve Fredericks. 610 +>WIP is rockin with sports talk from 5:30 AM till midnight, check it +>out anytime your within a few hours of Philadelphia. If I'm not +>mistaken, WIP has the highest sports talk ratings in the nation? + +I'm from Dallas, and you have alot of nerve saying that WFAN has a bunch of +Hoodlum Mets fans. During the football season, the local cowboy station here +had the WIP on several times for simultanious broadcasts. I have never heard +a bigger bunch of low intellect, bed wetting ,obnoxious, woofing, cranial +deformed, assholes in my entire life! The IQ of the average eagles fan must +be in the 10-15 range at best, and they have been known to be big droolers. + +(Please no flames) ... ;-) + + +========================================================================= +| Kevin P. Kerr kkerr@mkcase1.dseg.ti.com | # +| | +| S.A.B.R member since '92 GO YANKEES !!! GO DOLPHINS !!! | +| | +| ""Strolling through cyberspace, sniffing the electric wind...."" | +========================================================================= +",9 +9867,"From: wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf) +Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! +Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu +Organization: Indiana University +Lines: 46 + +In article green@plains.NoDak.edu (Bill Green) writes: +>Just to shed some light on the fire, it was widely reported (AP, etc.) that +>there WERE several witnesses to BD folks starting the fires. It has also +>been reported that the fires broke out in several places at once, which +>rules out a Bradley knocking over a lamp, etc. as the cause. + +The only folks claiming this are the ATF/FBI who have an interest in +putting the blame on the BD's. Wake up. + + +>What I would like to see is some serious discussion of this incident. I +>believe the moves made were right and proper, but I still have some problems +>with some of the tactics. After watching the ABC special on it tonight, as +>well as CNN and Nightline, I question some of the ATF and FBI actions. + +Right and proper? How? It was FUBAR from day 1. + +>1) Could it have been possible to have taken Koresh outside the compound at +>some time before the Feb. 28th raid? +> +From all independent sources. Yes. + +>2) Could a further wait have resulted in a different outcome. + +It would have hurt nothing to wait and the result could hardly have been +worse. + +>3) Were FBI actions (blaring loudspeakers, etc.) the ""right"" course of action? + +Sure, it you want to someone you claim is a dangerous paranoid even +more paranoid. + +>And a few other questions. Like I said, I believe the actions taken, in +>general, were proper. But I still have some reservations. +> +>One other point, I'm no fan of Janet Reno, but I do like the way she had the +>""balls"" to go ahead and take full responsibility. Seems like the waffle boy +>had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue. + +And what makes you think that ""waffle boy"" didn't tell her to take the +wrap. It was job preservation not ""balls"". +-- + + Wayne J. Warf -- WWARF@ucs.indiana.edu -- I speak for myself only + + |*Clinton*Gore*CIA*FBI*DEA*Assassinate*Bomb*WoD*BoR*ATF*IRS*Resist*NSA* | + |*Christian*God*Satan*Apocalypse*ZOG*Nazi*Socialist*Communist*Explosive*| + +*fundamentalist*revolution*NSC*Federal Reserve*Constitution*gold*FEMA* + +",16 +8075,"From: bruce@Data-IO.COM (Bruce Reynolds) +Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? +Organization: Data I/O Corporation +Lines: 31 + +smjeff@lerc05.lerc.nasa.gov (Jeff Miller) writes: +>Even properly controlled studies (e.g. double blind studies) are almost +>useless if you are trying to prove that something does not affect anyone. + +-- and -- + +>In article <1qnns0$4l3@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes: +>The mass of anectdotal evidence, combined with the lack of +>a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving +>the hypothesis, makes the MSG reaction hypothesis the +>most likely explanation for events. +> + +Good grief; has no one ever heard of Biostatistics?? The University of +Washington (plus 3 or 4 others [Harvard, UNC]) has a department and +advanced degree program in Biostatistics. My wife has an MS Biostat, and +there are plenty of MDs, PhDs, and postdocs doing Biostatistical work. +People do this for a living. Really bright people study for decades to do +this sort of study well. + +Anecedotal evidence is worthless. Even doctors who have been using a drug +or treatment for years, and who swear it is effective, are often suprised +at the results of clinical trials. Whether or not MSG causes describable, +reportable, documentable symptoms should be pretty simple to discover. + +The last study on which my wife worked employed 200 nurses, 100 doctors, +and a dozen Ph.Ds at one University and at 70 hospitals in five nations. I +would think the MSG question could be settled by one lowly Biostat MS +student in a thesis. + +--bruce +",13 +1401,"From: lei@rtsg.mot.com (Peter P. Lei) +Subject: DOS 6 vfintd.386 and Windows sys.ini +Nntp-Posting-Host: accord4 +Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group +Lines: 11 + + +Does anyone know what the vfintd.386 device is used for in windows 3.1? +It's under the [386enh] section as + device=c:\dos\vfintd.386 + +After upgrading to dos 6 on several machines (different types), some include +it, some don't. + +Any ideas? + +pl +",2 +83,"From: chrisb@tafe.sa.edu.au (Chris BELL) +Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses +Organization: South Australian Regional Academic and Research Network +Lines: 26 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: baarnie.tafe.sa.edu.au + +jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: + +>My syllogism is of the form: +>A is B. +>C is A. +>Therefore C is B. + +>This is a logically valid construction. + +>Your syllogism, however, is of the form: +>A is B. +>C is B. +>Therefore C is A. + +>Therefore yours is a logically invalid construction, +>and your comments don't apply. + +>I appeal to Mathew (Mantis) here who wrote the excellent +>post (now part of the FAQ) on logical argument. + +>Jim B. + +I am not Mathew (Mantis) but any (successful) first year logic student will see that you are logically correct, the other poster is logically incorrect. + +-- +""I know"" is nothing more than ""I believe"" with pretentions. +",0 +4047,"From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) +Subject: Re: Toyota wagons +Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA +Lines: 15 + +In article <1993Apr5.213032.26844@pmafire.inel.gov> russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown) writes: +>In article <1pq6bl$9rj@news.ysu.edu> ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes: +>>Has anybody noticed that Toyota has an uncanny knack for designing horrible +>>ugly station wagons? Tercels, Corollas, Camrys. Have their designers no +>>aesthetic sense at all? +>>-- +>The new Camry Wagon may just be even uglier than my Tercel. :-) + +toyota has cornered the market on ugly station wagons. +after seeing the new camry sedan, i had thought toyota would +finally turn out something nice-looking. the new camry station +wagon bears a strong resemblance to a hearse, and a weird looking +one at that. + +-teddy +",7 +2015,"From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) +Subject: Quantum 240AT: is my cache working? +Organization: Mail Group +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 10 + +The Quantum LPS 240AT is supposed to have a 256K cache on the IDE +controller built into the card. Yet when I do a DOS DIR command +on my system, the disk is always accessed (I can hear the mechanical +movement of the heads). Why is this happening? Strangely, even +when I have smartdrive installed, every DIR command accesses the +disk. Did I somehow de-activate the cache? This is happening on each +of two machines with an LPS 240AT drive. + +-- +Will Estes Internet: westes@netcom.com +",3 +8611,"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) +Subject: Galileo Update - 04/22/93 +Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory +Lines: 84 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov +Keywords: Galileo, JPL +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +Forwarded from Neal Ausman, Galileo Mission Director + + GALILEO + MISSION DIRECTOR STATUS REPORT + POST-LAUNCH + April 16 - 22, 1993 + + +SPACECRAFT + +1. On April 19, cruise science Memory Readouts (MROs) were performed for the +Extreme Ultraviolet Spectrometer (EUV), Dust Detector (DDS), and Magnetometer +(MAG) instruments. Preliminary analysis indicates the data was received +properly. + +2. On April 19, a Command Detector Unit Signal-to-Noise Ratio (CDUSNR) test +and a Radio Frequency Subsystem Automatic Gain Control (RFSAGC) test were +performed using the LGA-1 (Low Gain Antenna #1) over DSS-63 (Madrid 70 meter +antenna) and DSS-61 (Madrid 34 meter antenna), respectively. Data analysis +is in process. These tests are periodically performed to provide detailed +information relative to the telecom command hardware integrity. + +3. On April 19, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer to +264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase. + +4. On April 21, the first of two suppressed carrier/DSN (Deep Space Network) +advanced receiver characterization tests was performed over DSS-14 (Goldstone +70 meter antenna). The spacecraft modulation index was varied from 43 degrees +to 90 degrees for a range of ground receiver bandwidth settings. + +5. The AC bus imbalance measurement has not exhibited significant change +(greater than 25 DN) throughout this period but the DC bus imbalance +measurement has. The AC measurement reads 20 DN (4.5 volts). The DC +measurement has ranged from 43 DN (4.6 volts) to 138 DN (16.2 volts) and +currently reads 138 DN (16.2 volts). These measurements are consistent with +the model developed by the AC/DC special anomaly team. + +6. The Spacecraft status as of April 22, 1993, is as follows: + + a) System Power Margin - 68 watts + b) Spin Configuration - Dual-Spin + c) Spin Rate/Sensor - 3.15rpm/Star Scanner + d) Spacecraft Attitude is approximately 21 degrees + off-sun (lagging) and 5 degrees off-earth (leading) + e) Downlink telemetry rate/antenna- 40bps(coded)/LGA-1 + f) General Thermal Control - all temperatures within + acceptable range + g) RPM Tank Pressures - all within acceptable range + h) Orbiter Science- Instruments powered on are the PWS, + EUV, UVS, EPD, MAG, HIC, and DDS + i) Probe/RRH - powered off, temperatures within + acceptable range + j) CMD Loss Timer Setting - 264 hours + Time To Initiation - 184 hours + + +TRAJECTORY + + As of noon Thursday, April 22, 1993, the Galileo Spacecraft trajectory +status was as follows: + + Distance from Earth 169,747,800 km (1.14 AU) + Distance from Sun 286,967,900 km (1.92 AU) + Heliocentric Speed 91,200 km per hour + Distance from Jupiter 532,735,900 km + Round Trip Light Time 18 minutes, 58 seconds + + +SPECIAL TOPIC + +1. As of April 22, 1993, a total of 70185 real-time commands have been +transmitted to Galileo since Launch. Of these, 65077 were initiated in the +sequence design process and 5108 initiated in the real-time command process. +In the past week, one real time command was transmitted: one was initiated in +the sequence design process and none initiated in the real time command +process. The only command activity was a command to reset the command loss +timer. + ___ _____ ___ + /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov + | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | + ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand +/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and +|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. + +",14 +1914,"From: jim@n5ial.mythical.com (Jim Graham) +Subject: Re: Possible FAQ question about a UART +Keywords: 16550 +Organization: what, ME??? you must be joking. +Lines: 48 + +thought I'd post this as well as e-mail it, just in case anyone else is +interested in this info..... + +In article <1993Apr15.054552.14548@henson.cc.wwu.edu> +n9110338@henson.cc.wwu.edu (dan jordan) writes: + +> Hello, my question is could someone E-mail me the names of manufactures +>of the 16550 and predecsor UARTs. I have only seen them refered to by +>number, however i would like to find a technical manual for these ICs. + +> any where i can find out the technical specs for these UARTs would be +>appreciated: prefereably the 16450 as well as the 16550 however one will do. + +I suggest that you go direct to the original (and preferred...best quality) +source for all of this, just as you would (at least, should) for the chips +themselves: National Semiconductor. you can reach them at 1-800-272-9959. +they no longer package the data sheets in a book, as they did when I got +mine, but you can get them as individual sets of data sheets. you want, as +a minimum, the following: + + *) 2 sets of data sheets: + *) NS16450/INS8250A/NS16C450/INS82C50A + *) NS16550AF + + *) 2 application notes (yes, GET THESE!): + *) AN-491 The NS16550A: UART Design and Application Considerations + *) AN-493 A Comparison of the INS8250, NS16450 and NS16550AF Series + of UARTs + +both of the application notes I listed have proven to be AT LEAST as +valuable as the data sheets themselves (more, actually). AN-491, in +particular, is an exceptionally well-written application note that goes +into detail about how and why the 16550 does what it does, and how best +to take advantage of it. + +btw, they send these out free, as long as you don't abuse it. + +later, + --jim + +-- +#include 73 DE N5IAL (/4) +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +INTERNET: jim@n5ial.mythical.com | j.graham@ieee.org ICBM: 30.23N 86.32W +AMATEUR RADIO: n5ial@w4zbb (Ft. Walton Beach, FL) AMTOR SELCAL: NIAL +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +E-mail me for information about KAMterm (host mode for Kantronics TNCs). + +",3 +8557,"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) +Subject: Re: Proton/Centaur? +Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA +Lines: 15 +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net + + +Well thank you dennis for your as usual highly detailed and informative +posting. + +The question i have about the proton, is could it be handled at +one of KSC's spare pads, without major malfunction, or could it be +handled at kourou or Vandenberg? + +Now if it uses storables, then how long would it take for the russians +to equip something at cape york? + +If Proton were launched from a western site, how would it compare to the +T4/centaur? As i see it, it should lift very close to the T4. + +pat +",14 +5582,"From: cs1442aq@news.uta.edu (cs1442aq) +Subject: Ryam out for 2-5 weeks!! +Organization: University of Texas at Arlington +Lines: 4 + +Nolan Ryan has torn cartlidge inhis right knee. Is having surgery and +is expected to miss 2-5 weeks. +-- + +",9 +3489,"From: pcwood@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Paul Wood) +Subject: Re: Forsale: GENESIS GAMES +Organization: Temple University +Lines: 20 +Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +Kelvin Williams (kwill@lunatix.uucp) wrote: + +: These games are forsale (or trade): + +: * Sonic Hedgehog II (two copies) +: + manuals and cases .. +: $25 each.. +: (brand new!)_ + +Hello, I am interested in Sonic II but when I send to the address below +I get mail bounced back with ""Host unknow"" error. + + +: Please reply to : kwill@lunatix.UUCP +: (subject: games) + +-- + + -=( Paul Wood )=- + -=( pcwood@astro.ocis.temple.edu )=- +",6 +865,"From: cs89ssg@brunel.ac.uk (Sunil Gupta) +Subject: Re: RTrace 8.2.0 +Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK +Lines: 12 +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +Comp. Graphics/CAD (cgcad@bart.inescn.pt) wrote: +: There is a new version of the RTrace ray-tracing package (8.2.0) at +: asterix.inescn.pt [192.35.246.17] in directory pub/RTrace. +: Check the README file. + +cant seem to reach the site from over here: + +>#ping 192.35.246.17 +>ICMP Net Unreachable from gateway nsn-FIX-pe.sura.net (192.80.214.253) +>for icmp from ccws-24.brunel.ac.uk (134.83.176.30) to 192.35.246.17 + +Is it possible for you to upload to a more mainstream ftp place? +",1 +2105,"From: keegan-edward@cs.yale.edu (Edward Keegan) +Subject: DEC MT 486, Adaptec SCSI, 3COMM conflict +Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158 +Lines: 14 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: thumper.cf.cs.yale.edu + + +I have a DEC NT 486DX33 that has an Adaptec SCSI controller, hard disk +and cd-rom drive. When I add a 3COMM Ethernet card (3C503) and reboot +the system I receive an error message that a boot device cannot be +found. Pull the 3COMM card and reboot, everything is fine. I've moved +the controller and 3COMM card to various slots, different positions +(slot before the controller, slot after the controller) with the +same result. DEC hasn't responded to the problem yet. Any help would +be appreciated. +-- +Edward T. Keegan, Facility Director E-MAIL: keegan@cs.yale.edu +Yale University, Computer Science Department PHONE: 1-203-432-1254 +51 Prospect Street, Room 009 FAX: 1-203-432-0593 +New Haven, CT 06520 +",3 +9119,"From: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) +Subject: Re: Nature of God (Re: Environmentalism and paganism) +Reply-To: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) +Organization: The National Capital Freenet +Lines: 31 + +In a previous article, mcovingt@aisun2.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) says: + +>In article heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes: +>That is not necessarily unorthodox. When Christians call God 'Father', +>we are using a metaphor. The Bible in one place refers to God as being +>like a mother. God is neither a father nor a mother in the literal +>sense; God has some of the attributes of both; the father metaphor is +>usually used because (for most people at most times) it is the less +>misleading of the two possibilities. + +I don't know which passage you are refering to, but the passage I have +often seen cited as an example of a mother image of God is Isaiah 49:15 +""Can a woman forget her sucking child / that she should have no +compassion / on the son of her womb? / Even these may forget, / +yet I will not forget you."" + +This passage is *not* a mother image of God at all. The mother here +is the image of the best human constancy can show, and it is +contrasted with the constancy of God. The mother figure here represents +mankind, not God. +-- +============================================================================== +Mark Baker | ""The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but +aa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts."" -- C. S. Lewis +============================================================================== + +[Luke 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those +who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together +as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! + +--clh] +",15 +6725,"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) +Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption +Lines: 22 + +Bred wrote: + And this means that the FBI will want to track the customer lists of + better encryption phones, because ""the only reason a person would want + one is to evade the police."" + +They don't have to track customer lists - they merely have to digitally +listen to any phone line and eliminate any that don't have the clipper +header/signature. (No-one has said how it will be modulated - want a bet +it's a non-standard and hence easily recognisable baudrate?) + +Devices to scan exchanges and detect modems etc already exist. I've seen +them advertised in the trade press. + +Once you eliminate crippled crypto devices and ordinary data modems, what's +left is crypto worth looking more closely at. I guess any substitute scheme +will have to be v32bis or v.fast to disguise it, though then they just start +looking at the data too... + +Whatever happens though, the effect of this new chip will be to make private +crypto stand out like a sore thumb. + +G +",11 +11133,"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) +Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? +Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C. +Lines: 26 + + +In article , pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) writes: +|> +|> Anyway, I've often wondered what business followers of Christ would have +|> with weapons. +|> +|> -- +|> Peter M. Yadlowsky | Wake! The sky is light! +|> Academic Computing Center | Let us to the Net again... +|> University of Virginia | Companion keyboard. +|> pmy@Virginia.EDU | - after Basho + +IMO, a Christian has no need of weapons. I know it is very contrary to the +American NRA ethos of the right to bear arms, but Christians should rely on +the strength of God to protect them. Note that I say *should*. We are +inherently insecure but I feel that that is not proper justification to be +armed to the teeth. A Christian should not have to rely on physical weapons +to defend himself. A Christian should rely on his faith and intelligence. +For instance, I have the faith that God will protect me but God also gave +me the intelligence to know not to go walking down that dark alley at night. +To jump off a cliff and say that God will save me would be putting God to the +test. And who are we to test God? + +God be with you, + +Malcolm Lee :) +",19 +3381,"From: folkert@capints.UUCP (Folkert Boonstra) +Subject: comp.windows.x +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 17 +NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu +To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu + +I would like to keep track of X development on: +- A/UX +- ULTRIX +- OpenWindows +Currently I cannot use the newsgroup comp.windows.x +and would like to use the Email based info. +Thanks, + + +Folkert Boonstra + + +Cap Gemini Innovation Dutch Research Centre +Burg.Elsenlaan 170 Phone: +31 70 3957 239 +P.O. Box 3027 Fax: +31 70 3957 237 +2280 GA Rijswijk (NL) e-mail: boonstra@capints.uucp + +",5 +3740,"From: jyow@desire.wright.edu +Subject: CAMERA: Olympus Stylus, super small +Organization: Wright State University +Lines: 9 + +Olympus Stylus, 35mm, pocket sized, red-eye reduction, timer, fully automatic. +Time & date stamp, carrying case. Smallest camera in its class. +Rated #2 in Consumer Reports. Excellent condition and only 4 months old. +Worth $169.95. Purchased for $130. Selling for $100. +-- +************************************************************************ +Jason Yow Human Factors Psychology Program +Wright State University, Dayton, OH E-mail: jyow@desire.wright.edu +************************************************************************ +",6 +9551,"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) +Subject: Re: Boston Gun Buy Back +Lines: 40 +Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education + +In article <8110356@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) writes: + +>> From: urbin@interlan.interlan.com (Mark Urbin) +>> +>> >RM:Just a short thought: +>> >When you ask the question of the ""authorities"" or sponsors of buyback +>> >programs whether they will check for stolen weapons and they answer +>> >""no, it's total amnesty"". +> +>> Please note that the $50 given for each firearm, in the Boston `buy +>> back' will not be in cash, but money orders. How much `total amnesty"" can +>> you get if you leave paper trail behind? +> +>In the latest case in Denver, they were giving away tickets to a Denver +>Nuggets basketball game. +> +>How traceable is a money order? (I don't know. Haven't used one in 20 years) + + Money orders operate pretty much like checks, with both parties being +supposed to sign them. I assume you'd have to show the buy-back people +an ID, and you'd then have a money order made out to that ID. + + As far as traceable as a practical matter, I don't know, it would +depend on whether they bother to computerize who the recipient's name is +on the money order and bother keying that sort of thing in. I'd say +certainly the police and the buyback people would keep a record of who +they gave money orders out to. + +>Is that even an issue if the weapons aren't checked for being stolen? + + There might be some questions asked, I suppose, if somebody +brought in a number of weapons each time over a series of ""buy back"" +programs. + + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group +PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day +your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't +love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" +",16 +7592,"From: jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) +Subject: ringing ears +Keywords: ringing ears, sleep, depression +Reply-To: jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) +Distribution: world +Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA +Lines: 15 + + + +A friend of mine has a trouble with her ears ringing. The ringing is so loud +that she has great difficulty sleeping at night. She says that she hasn't +had a normal night's sleep in about 6 months (she looks like it too :-(). +This is making her depressed so her doctor has put her on anti-depressants. + +The ringing started rather suddenly about 6 months ago. She is quickly losing +sleep, social life and sanity over this. + +Does anyone know of any treatments for this? Any experience? Coping +mechanisms? Any opinions on the anti-depressant drugs? + + [J.F.] + +",13 +10161,"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) +Subject: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 +Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center +Lines: 293 + +Dear friends, + +I am a graduate student in Education at the University of Tennessee. As part of +the requirements for a research class in music education I designed a +questionnaire to colect data for my research project. The study intends to +determine which techniques (if any) have been used to teach music for the deaf. + +If you have any experience in music education for the deaf and would like to +help me with this project, your help would be very much appreciated. + +If you also want to exchange some ideas about the subject matter, feel yourself +welcome. I have been working in this area for a while (in Brazil _ by the way, +I am Brazilian _ and also in US) and I am very pleased with the results. + +I hope that this inquiry will not cause too many inconveniences. Thank you for +or time and consideration. + + + __QUESTIONNAIRE__ + Teaching Music for deaf children. + +NAME ________________________________ +ADDRESS/ E-MAIL _____________________ +EMPLOYING INSTITUTION _______________ +YEARS OF EXPERIENCE_________ GRADE LEVEL(S)____ +EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND:BACHELOR__ MASTERS__ DOCTORATE__ +PROFESSIONAL FIELD:SPECIAL EDUC.__ MUSIC EDUC.__ OTHER*__ +*If you checked ""other"", please indicate your major: ____ + + Some school systems require music to be taught to deaf children, other +school systems have not thought of the possibility to teach music for children +with hearing limitations. The following questionnaire was designed to find out +how teachers face the issue of teaching or not teaching music for the deaf. +Also, a part of this study is to determine teachers attitudes towards music +programs for deaf children. + + DIRECTIONS: + READ THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS AND CIRCLE THE NUMBER THAT BEST DESCRIBES +YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARDS MUSIC FOR DEAF CHILDREN (LEFT COLUMN), AND CIRCLE THE +APPROPRIATE ""YES"", ""NO"" OR ""NOT APPLICABLE"", WHETHER YOU DO THE TASK (RIGHT +COLUMN). + +SD= Strongly disagree Y= yes +DIS= Disagree N= no +NEU= Neutral N/A= not applicable +AG= Agree +SA= Strongly agree + +SD DIS NEU AG SA COMPETENCIES Y N N/A +___________________________________________________________________________ +1 2 3 4 5 1.Deaf children can be educated in y n n/a + music. +1 2 3 4 5 2.Deaf children should have regular y n n/a + music classes. +1 2 3 4 5 3.A special music teacher must posses y n n/a + an appropriate training in a variety + of communication methods to use with + deaf children. +1 2 3 4 5 4.In preparing the lessons the teacher y n n/a + must keep in mind that deaf children + may present special needs in order to + participate in musical activities. +1 2 3 4 5 5.Deaf and normal hearing children y n n/a + should have music classes together. +1 2 3 4 5 6. 80% of a succesful music experience y n n/a + by a deaf child depends upon the + teacher's creativity and commitment + with the subject matter. +1 2 3 4 5 7.Deaf children can learn to appreciate y n n/a + music but they will never be a musician + or a performer. +1 2 3 4 5 8.Deaf children are not able to y n n/a + discriminate and recognize sounds. +1 2 3 4 5 9.Deaf children can not distinguish y n n/a + among loud and soft sounds. +1 2 3 4 5 10.Deaf children can never match the y n n/a + music in their head to a note on a + musical instrument. +1 2 3 4 5 11.The most appropriate material to y n n/a + start music classes for the deaf + would be the folk songs said he would be replaced by the military commandant of +Baku, police Major-General Abdullah Allakhverdiyev. There was no official +confirmation. + + +-- +David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on +S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't +P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" +Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 +",17 +2507,"From: chen@nuclear.med.bcm.tmc.edu (ChenLin) +Subject: Re: Can I get more than 640 x 480 on 13"" monitor? +Organization: Baylor College of Medicine +Lines: 5 +Distribution: na +Reply-To: chen@nuclear.bcm.tmc.edu +NNTP-Posting-Host: nuclear.med.bcm.tmc.edu +Keywords: 13"" monitor, 8*24 resolution + + +Try MaxAppleZoom ( a shareware init ) if your monitor is not driven by internal +video. + +chen +",4 +8129,"From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) +Subject: Re: Do we need a Radiologist to read an Ultrasound? +Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South. +Lines: 28 + +E.J. Draper writes: + +>If it were my wife, I would insist that a radiologist be involved in the +>process. Radiologist are intensively trained in the process of +>interpreting diagnostic imaging data and are aware of many things that +>other physicians aren't aware of. + +Maybe, maybe not. A new graduate would obviously be well trained (but +perhaps without sufficient experience). A radiologist trained 10 or +15 years ago who has not kept his continuing education current is a +whole 'nuther matter. A OB who HAS trained in modern radiology technology +is certainly more qualified than the latter and at least equal to +the former. + +>Would you want a radiologist to +>deliver your baby? If you wouldn't, then why would you want a OB/GYN to +>read your ultrasound study? + +If the radiologist is also trained in OB/GYN, why not? + +John + +-- +John De Armond, WD4OQC |Interested in high performance mobility? +Performance Engineering Magazine(TM) | Interested in high tech and computers? +Marietta, Ga | Send ur snail-mail address to +jgd@dixie.com | perform@dixie.com for a free sample mag +Lee Harvey Oswald: Where are ya when we need ya? +",13 +2008,"From: blean@rwb.esd.sgi.com (Bob Blean) +Subject: Re: Which high-performance VLB video card? +Organization: Silicon Graphics +Lines: 33 + +In article <1993Apr16.230319.28437@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes: + +|> PC Magazine just did another review of high-end graphics accelerators. For all +|> around performance (Windows, DOS, CAD) go for ATI Graphics Ultra Pro. They've +|> done two reviews in the last three months and that card ranks as an editors +|> choice in both reviews. For all around performance it seems it just can't be +|> beat. You should pick up this issue of PC-Mag (April 13) and check it out for +|> yourself. + + +Windows: The recent reviews have all shown that the P9000 cards are + significantly faster doing Windows than the ATI card. + +VGA: The recent reviews have all shown that the P9000 cards they looked + at are significantly slower doing VGA than the ATI card. About + 1/2 the speed, as I recall. + + The big question for me is the Orchid V9000 card. Each of the + P9000 cards tested so far has had the W5186 to do VGA. Orchid + is the only one I know about (I don't know about AMI) that uses + the W5286 for VGA. That is reportedly faster. + + I would like to know whether the Orchid card can do VGA as fast as + the ATI card. If so, it would appear to be a formidable competitor. + (Advertised prices are about the same for the two cards.) + +Someone in this group posted a little while back that they were getting an +Orchid V9000 card -- has that card arrived? What do the benchmarks look +like? + +Also, is the AMI P9000-based card real? What does it use for VGA? Speed? + +--Bob +",3 +1765,"From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) +Subject: tape backup for windows +Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL +Lines: 18 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com + +I'm looking for a complete hw/sw solution: +I need an ISA/VLB scsi controller (e.g Ultrastor 34F) +plus a tape drive (500Mb or less like Archive) plus a Windows +program that will work on these. + +My intended system will have 32Mb RAM so +plain ISA controllers will no longer do. +But I also hear that the SCSI world +is not very organized. + +So does anybody have a tape backup setup +like what I'm looking for ? Please +describe it. + +Thanks. e-mail please. + +-- +marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com +",3 +6434,"From: jad@nsa.hp.com (John Dilley) +Subject: compress | crypt foo | des -e -k foo +Distribution: sci +Lines: 12 +Organization: Networked Systems Architecture + + + I have a bunch of questions about the encryption scheme +referenced in the Subject of this message. What is the relative data +privacy provided by the above sequence as compared with straight DES? +Does the addition of compression then encrypting make the cyphertext +significantly harder to crack using current methods than straight DES? +Would running crypt after DES provide greater data privacy? Is it +important to remove the (constant) compress header before encryption? +Thank you, net, for your wisdom. + + -- jad -- + John A. Dilley +",11 +4761,"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) +Subject: Re: BMW battery +Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 +Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 31 + +Keith Hanlan, on the Wed, 14 Apr 1993 19:20:14 GMT wibbled: +: In article <1993Apr14.181352.6246@ra.msstate.edu> vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes: +: >If I remember correctly, the reason that BMW's come with those expensive, +: >and relatively worthless, short lived Varda batteries, is 'cause BMW owns +: >a controling interest in that battery Manufacturer. + +: What's wrong with the BMW battery? I've never had problems and I know +: numerous people that are still using the original battery in there +: 8-10 year old beemers. + + +Kay, my '86 K100RS still has her original battery in. She's OK +-- + +Nick (the Sufficiently Well Charged Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford + +M'Lud. + + ___ ___ ___ ___ + {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. + ' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' Currently incarcerated at BNR, + ___ ___ ___ ___ Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. + |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" + ` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 + . + _ _ _ __ . + / ~ ~~\ | / ~~ \ + |_______| [_______| + _:_ + |___| + +",8 +2937,"From: mark@ardnt1.res.utc.COM (MARK STUCKY) +Subject: Re: Need PD X-Y Plot Package +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 139 +NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu +To: spf@cbnewsl.cb.att.COM +Cc: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.EDU + + + + ""Steve"" == Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm writes: + + Steve> Folks, + + Steve> I'm looking for a Public Domain X-Y plotting package for X. + Steve> I need basic capabilities (axes, labels, log and linear, &c). + Steve> It's hard to imagine that someone has not put such a thing + Steve> together, so I'm hoping to avoid reinventing the wheel. + + Steve> Thanks for any leads! + + Steve> Steve Frysinger + +Your might take a look a PLPLOT. Version 4.99c (actually beta v5.0) +can be found anonymous ftp from hagar.ph.utexas.edu, in the pub/plplot +directory. + +--Mark + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +| Mark Stucky | Email: | +| United Technologies Research Center | mark@ardnt1.res.utc.com | +| East Hartford, CT. |or mbs@rcinet.res.utc.com | +| 06108 |or mbs@utrc.res.utc.com | +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + + + From the README file of version 4.99c: + + This is the PLPLOT distribution. PLPLOT is a scientific plotting package for + many systems, small (micro) and large (super) alike. Despite its small size + and quickness, it has enough power to satisfy most users, including: standard + x-y plots, semilog plots, log-log plots, contour plots, 3D plots, mesh plots, + bar charts and pie charts. Multiple graphs (of the same or different sizes) + may be placed on a single page with multiple lines in each graph. Different + line styles, widths and colors are supported. A virtually infinite number of + distinct area fill patterns may be used. There are almost 1000 characters in + the extended character set. This includes four different fonts, the Greek + alphabet and a host of mathematical, musical, and other symbols. The fonts + can be scaled to any size for various effects. Many different output device + drivers are available (system dependent), including a portable metafile + format and renderer. + + The PLPLOT package is freely distributable, but NOT in the public domain. + The PLPLOT source code, except header files and those files explicitly + granting permission, may not be used in a commercial software package without + consent of the authors. You are allowed and encouraged to include the PLPLOT + object library and header files in a commercial package provided that: (1) it + is explicitly and prominently stated that the PLPLOT library is freely + available, and (2) the full copyrights on the PLPLOT package be displayed + somewhere in the documentation for the package. + + We welcome suggestions on how to improve this code, especially in the form of + user-contributed enhancements or bug fixes. If PLPLOT is used in any + published papers, please include an acknowledgment or citation of our work, + which will help us to continue improving PLPLOT. Also, please remember that + as PLPLOT is not a commercial product, we cannot be expected to offer the + kind of support that a commercial product may. There is great interest + in extending PLPLOT and fixing bugs, but the principal authors can only + afford to work on it part time. Improvements will necessarily focus on + those which help us get our work done. + + PLPLOT is written in C, enabling it to run on many platforms practically + without modification. Fortran programs may use it transparently; stub + routines are provided to handle the C<->Fortran interface without any + modification of the user program. C programs are required to include the + header file ""plplot.h""; see the documentation for more details. + + The main documentation for PLPLOT is in the doc/ directory in the form of + several TeX files; please consult this for additional information ('latex + plotdoc'). Unfortunately documentation tends to lag actual improvements to + the code, so don't be surprised if some known features are not explained + there. Consult 'Changes.log' to see a list of recent changes. + + At present, PLPLOT is known to work on the following systems: + + Unix: SunOS + A/IX + HP-UX + Unicos + DG/UX + Ultrix + SysV + Linux + + Amiga/Exec + MS-DOS + OS/2 + NeXT + + For more information on how to get or use PLPLOT on your system, see: + - appendices to the PLPLOT manual + - system-specific documentation in the appropriate sys/ directory. + + To become a subscriber to the PLPLOT mailing list, send a request to + plplot-request@dino.ph.utexas.edu. + + CREDITS + ------- + + PLPLOT is the result of the effort of many people, so it is impractical to + list all the contributors. Those currently supporting and otherwise + responsible for the package in its present form include: + + Maurice LeBrun + Please send all comments, flames, patches, etc, to me. I am responsible for + all the PLPLOT kernel development as well as most of the work on the + metafile, xwindow, xterm, postscript, tektronix, and Amiga drivers. + + EMAIL mjl@fusion.ph.utexas.edu + USMAIL Dr. Maurice LeBrun + Institute for Fusion Studies + University of Texas + Austin, TX 78712 + + +Geoff Furnish +Please send questions regarding the MS-DOS and OS/2 drivers to Geoff. + +EMAIL furnish@fusion.ph.utexas.edu +USMAIL Geoff Furnish + Institute for Fusion Studies + University of Texas + Austin, TX 78712 + + +Tony Richardson +Creator of PLPLOT 2.6b, 3.0 +Please send questions regarding installation of PLPLOT on the NeXT to Tony. + +EMAIL amr@egr.duke.edu + +USMAIL Tony Richardson Tony Richardson + 184 Electrical Engineering 2920 Chapel Hill Road Apt. 41-D + Duke University Durham, NC 27707 + Durham, NC 27706 + ph 919-684-5274 ph 919-493-1609 +",5 +2722,"From: jimb@rcx1.csd.harris.com (Jim Burmeister) +Subject: Re: Cache card for IIsi +Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL +Lines: 13 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com + +In article , pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidian) writes: +> Hi, I bought a while ago a Cache Card w/ FPU from Techworks. It was 219$. +> I think that was the cheapest I ever saw. + +As of last week, Mac's Place had the Applied Engineering QuickSilver card +(32k cache, one PDS slot, socket for FPU) on sale for $99.00 (without FPU). +Regular price is $199. + +No idea if this is still going on, but I can get the phone no. if anyone is +interested (I found their ad in MacUser). + +-Jim Burmeister (no relation to Mac's Place except as a satisfied customer!) + jimb@csd.harris.com +",4 +3435,"From: mike@pyrdc.UUCP (Mike Whitman) +Subject: 49cm Womens bike for sale +Organization: Pyramid Technology, Government Systems +Lines: 29 + +I have the following bike for sale: + + +type: Dave Scott Centurion 1989 model +size: 47 cm c-c +grouppo: Shimano 105 +cranks: 165 cm +pedals: Shimano 105 P1050 with clips and straps +frame: Tange II Double butted steel +gearing: front: 52/42 rear: 24-22-19-17-15-13 +seat: Terry womens gel seat +computer: Avocet 30 +extras: double water bottle cages + extra rear tire + 24"" front/700c rear setup + +My wife is asking for $350 obo. Let me know if you are interested at the +address below. Thanks, + +-- mike -- +-- + -=--------- Michael C. Whitman + ---===------- National System Engineer - Telecom + -----=====----- Pyramid Technology Corporation + -------=======--- 1921 Gallows Road, Suite 250 + ---------=========- Vienna, VA 22182 + + Phone: (703) 848-2050 Pager: (800)sky-page pin# 45300 + mike@pyrdc.va.pyramid.com -or- uunet!pyrdc!mike +",6 +184,"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) +Subject: Re: IF ONLY HE KNEW +Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu +Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] +Lines: 20 + +prudenti@juncol.juniata.edu wrote: + +: Upon arriving at home, Joseph probably took advantage of Mary...had his way +: with her so to speak. Of course, word of this couldn't get around so Mary, +: being the highly-religious follower that she was decided ""Hey, I'll just say +: that GOD impregnated me...no one will ever know!"" +: +: Thus, seen as a trustworthy and honorable soul, she was believed... +: +: And then came Jesus, the child born from violence. +: +: +: + +Dave, + +Can you explain the purpose of your post, I can't imagine what you +must have thougt it meant. + +Bill +",0 +2788,"From: mantolov@golum.riv.csu.edu.au (Michael Antolovich) +Subject: Re: Ethernet card that uses A/Rose? +Organization: Charles Sturt University - Riverina, Wagga Wagga, NSW, Australia +Lines: 11 + +In article aaron_bratcher@fpm.uchicago.edu (Aaron Bratcher) writes: +>Does anyone know if there is an ethernet card that takes advantage of the +>A/Rose extension? + + Hey what does the A/Rose extension do anyway ? + Michael +-- + ________________________________________________________________ + \ Michael Antolovich in Wagga Wagga, a great place to be be... / + \ mantolovich@csu.edu.au OR antolovich@zac.riv.csu.edu.au / + \__________________________________________________________/ +",4 +10256,"Organization: The American University - University Computing Center +From: Paul H. Pimentel +Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II + <1993Apr20.013037.20907@news.columbia.edu> +Lines: 5 + +What gives Isreal the right to keep Jeruseleum? It is the home of the muslim a +s well as jewish religion, among others. Heck, nobody ever mentions what Yitza +k Shamir did forty or fifty years ago which is terrorize westerners much in the + way Abdul Nidal does today. Seems Isrealis are nowhere above Arabs, so theref +ore they have a right to Jerusaleum as much as Isreal does. +",17 +1441,"From: sat@eng.tridom.com (Stephen Thomas) +Subject: Re: How can I use the mouse in NON-Windows applications under MS-WINDOWS ? +Nntp-Posting-Host: nut.eng.tridom.com +Reply-To: sat@eng.tridom.com +Organization: AT&T Tridom +Lines: 42 + +In article 12328@ucsu.Colorado.EDU, gonzaled@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (LGV/MC) writes: +>kasajian@netcom.com (Kenneth Kasajian) writes: +> +>>wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Oliver Kretzschmar) writes: +> +> +> +>>> Hey, +> +>>> could somebody tell me, how it is possible to work with the mouse +>>> in a NON-Windows application, which runs in an window. We use +>>> MS-WINDOWS 3.1 and have CLIPPER applications. Exists there any +>>> routines or something else ? Please mail me your informations. +> +>>> Thanks for your efforts, +> +>>> Oliver +>>>-- +>>> NAME : O.Kretzschmar Inst.IKE / University Stuttgart +>>> PHONE: +49 711 685 2130 Pfaffenwaldring 31 +>>> FAX : +49 711 685 2010 7000 Stuttgart 80 +>>> EMAIL: wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de +> +>>Very simple. You have to have the MOUSE.COM or MOUSE.SYS loaded in DOS +>>before you run Windows. Note that you don't need to have these files loaded +>>to use the mouse in Windows. +> +>One addition to this... I don't know if it applies to everybody. For my +>(Microsoft 400dpi) mouse to work with windowed DOS apps, I had to use the +>driver that came with Windows (Version 8.20). 8.1 didn't allow me to do +>it for some reason. +> + +I could never find the Microsoft mouse driver on my Windows 3.1 installation +disks, but DOS 6.0 also has version 8.20 of MOUSE.COM. + + +--- + +Stephen Thomas AT&T Tridom (404-514-3522) +email: sat@eng.tridom.com, attmail!tridom!sat + +",2 +7758,"From: sdbsd5@cislabs.pitt.edu (Stephen D Brener) +Subject: Intensive Japanese at Pitt +Keywords: San Francisco +Distribution: usa +Organization: University of Pittsburgh +Lines: 112 + +In article rcj2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (ray.c.jender) writes: +> +> I was kind of half watching Street Stories last night +> and one of the segments was about this doctor in +> S.F. who provides a service of investigating treatment +> for various diseases. I'm pretty sure his name is +> Dr. Mark Renniger (sp?) or close to that. +> Did anyone else watch this? I'd like to get his +> correct name and address/phone number if possible. +> Thanks. + + + INTENSIVE JAPANESE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH THIS SUMMER + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + + +The University of Pittsburgh is offering two intensive Japanese language +courses this summer. Both courses, Intensive Elementary Japanese and +Intensive Intermediate Japanese, are ten week, ten credit courses +each equivalent to one full year of Japanese language study. They begin +June 7 and end August 13. The courses meet five days per week, five hours +per day. There is a flat rate tuition charge of $1600 per course. +Fellowships available for science and engineering students. Contact +Steven Brener, Program Manager of the Japanese Science and Technology +Management Program, at the University of Pittsburgh at the number or +address below. +ALL INTERESTED INDIVIDUALS ARE ENCOURAGED TO APPLY, THIS IS NOT LIMITED TO +UNIVERSITY STUDENTS. + + + + + +####################################################################### +################# New Program Announcement ######################## +####################################################################### + + + JAPANESE SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM + +The Japanese Science and Technology Management Program (JSTMP) is a new +program jointly developed by the University of Pittsbugh and Carnegie Mellon +University. Students and professionals in the engineering and scientific +communitites are encouraged to apply for classes commencing in June 1993 and +January 1994. + + +PROGRAM OBJECTIVES +The program intends to promote technology transfer between Japan and the +United States. It is also designed to let scientists, engineers, and managers +experience how the Japanese proceed with technological development. This is +facilitated by extended internships in Japanese research facilities and +laboratories that provide participants with the opportunity to develop +long-term professional relationships with their Japanese counterparts. + + +PROGRAM DESIGN +To fulfill the objectives of the program, participants will be required to +develop advanced language capability and a deep understanding of Japan and +its culture. Correspondingly, JSTMP consists of three major components: + +1. TRAINING IN THE JAPANESE LANGUAGE +Several Japanese language courses will be offered, including intensive courses +designed to expedite language preparation for scientists and engineers in a +relatively short time. + +2. EDUCATION IN JAPANESE BUSINESS AND SOCIAL CULTURE +A particular enphasis is placed on attaining a deep understanding of the +cultural and educational basis of Japanese management approaches in +manufacturing and information technology. Courses will be available in a +variety of departments throughout both universities including Anthropology, +Sociology, History, and Political Science. Moreover, seminars and colloquiums +will be conducted. Further, a field trip to Japanese manufacturing or +research facilities in the United States will be scheduled. + + +3. AN INTERNSHIP OR A STUDY MISSION IN JAPAN +Upon completion of their language and cultural training at PITT and CMU, +participants will have the opportunity to go to Japan and observe, +and participate in the management of technology. Internships in Japan +will generally run for one year; however, shorter ones are possible. + + +FELLOWSHIPS COVERING TUITION FOR LANGUAGE AND CULTURE COURSES, AS WELL AS +STIPENDS FOR LIVING EXPENSES ARE AVAILABLE. + + FOR MORE INFORMATION AND APPLICATION MATERIALS CONTACT + +STEVEN BRENER SUSIE BROWN +JSTMP Carnegie Mellon University, GSIA +University of Pittsburgh Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 +4E25 Forbes Quadrangle Telephone: (412) 268-7806 +Pittsburgh, PA 15260 FAX: (412) 268-8163 +Telephone: (412) 648-7414 +FAX: (412) 648-2199 + +############################################################################ +############################################################################ + + +Interested individuals, companies and institutions should respond by phone or +mail. Please do not inquire via e-mail. +Please note that this is directed at grads and professionals, however, advanced +undergrads will be considered. Further, funding is resticted to US citizens +and permanent residents of the US. + +Steve Brener + + + + + +",13 +10170,"From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: Hebrew labor: racist connotations +Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500356:000:1777 +Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 23 15:18:00 1993 +Lines: 37 + + +From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: Hebrew labor: racist connotations + + +AVODA IVRIT - HEBREW LABOR +--------------------------------- + +""Hebrew labor"" is a concept which has served the Zionist movement +for a long time. It has a double-barreled message: 1) The new Jew +must learn to do physical labor, i.e. working the land; 2) The +land in this country must pass into Jewish hands, i.e. to the same +new Jew who has ""learned"" to work it. Both aspects of the +two-pronged concept of ""Hebrew labor"" have racist connotations. On +the one hand, the diaspora Jew's lack of training in physical +labor is a myth shared by Zionists and antisemites. On the other +hand, its meaning in practice has been the displacement of the +Arab farmer from the source of his livelihood. + +The occupation and the cheap Palestinian labor which streamed from +the occupied territories to the factories, orchards, and +hot-houses of Israel relegated the myth of ""Hebrew labor"" to the +history books and nostalgic memories of the Zionist Movement. It +has blossomed forth anew, however, as the government's answer to +problems caused by the closure of the territories. Today too this +concept has two functions: 1) to give a progressive look to the +closing of the Palestinian population. Or in the words of +Environment Minister Yossi Sarid, ""I have no tears for those who +get rich off of cheap labor"". 2) to furnish an answer to the +unemployed Israeli who complains of being obliged to work for +wages that are lower than the unemployment insurance he receives. + +The Israeli government is considering plans to import labor from +the far- East to replace native people, Palestinians, who work in +their own country, thus creating conflicting interests between two +ethnical communities and ruling over them. + +",17 +537,"From: rubery@saturn.aitc.rest.tasc.com. (Dan Rubery) +Subject: Graphic Formats +Organization: TASC +Lines: 7 +NNTP-Posting-Host: saturn.aitc.rest.tasc.com + +I am writing some utilies to convert Regis and Tektonic esacpe sequences +into some useful formats. I would rather not have to goto a bitmap format. +I can convert them to Window Meta FIles easily enough, but I would rather +convert them to Corel Draw, .CDR, or MS Power Point, .PPT, files. +Microsoft would not give me the format. I was wondering if anybody out +there knows the formats for these two applications. + +",1 +7995,"Subject: Burzynski's ""Antineoplastons"" +From: jschwimmer@wccnet.wcc.wesleyan.edu (Josh Schwimmer) +Distribution: world +Organization: Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT USA +Nntp-Posting-Host: consultants.con.wesleyan.edu +Lines: 20 + +I've recently listened to a tape by Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski, in which he +claims to have discovered a series naturally occuring peptides with anti- +cancer properties that he names antineoplastons. Burzynski says that his +work has met with hostility in the United States, despite the favorable +responses of his subjects during clinical trials. + +What is the generally accepted opinion of Dr. Burzynski's research? He +paints himself as a lone researcher with a new breakthrough battling an +intolerant medical establishment, but I have no basis from which to judge +his claims. Two weeks ago, however, I read that the NIH's Department of +Alternative Medicine has decided to focus their attention on Burzynski's +work. Their budget is so small that I imagine they wouldn't investigate a +treatment that didn't seem promising. + +Any opinions on Burzynski's antineoplastons or information about the current +status of his research would be appreciated. + +-- +Joshua Schwimmer +jschwimmer@eagle.wesleyan.edu +",13 +912,"From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) +Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split +In-Reply-To: tdawson@engin.umich.edu's message of 19 Apr 1993 19:43:52 GMT +Nntp-Posting-Host: graphics.cs.nyu.edu +Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences + <1993Apr19.193758.12091@unocal.com> + <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> +Lines: 16 + + Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of + doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading + this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 + different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts + a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum + for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? + Just curious. + +I disagree. You could learn the same amount by reading all the +split groups, and it would make things easier for those of us +who are less omnivorous. There is no ""waste"" in creating news +groups -- its just a bit of shuffling about. I have no problem +with only a few posts per week per group - I spend too much time +on this as it is. + +-david +",1 +1206,"From: mitchell@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell) +Subject: Dataproducts LZR1260 not printing correctly +Organization: Regional Network Systems Group, Perth +Lines: 951 + +---------- cut here ---------- part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VZL!SD!""P;T:P*G08%X-D!ZO5P,> *_.--._/ Perth , Western Australia + v +",2 +6045,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) +Subject: Re: Daigle/Kariya +Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department +Lines: 15 + +In article <1qsmhtINNt5l@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> ddlin@athena.mit.edu (David D Lin) writes: +>I hear Daigle will eb the first pick next year. What is the word on Kariya??? +>Anybody ever seen him play on TV???? Is he also entering the draft??? + +People are seeming to be less concerned about Kariya's size as he leads +teams to championships (World Junior and US College) and collects +awards...everyone is watching with interest as to how he will perform +on left wing with Eric Lindros and Mark Recchi at the world +championships. + +4 months of go...chances were not very good that he would go in the +top five...now it has become probable...a great world championship +could put him in the top 3 with Daigle and Pronger. + +Gerald +",10 +1430,"From: zimm@condor.navsses.navy.mil +Subject: Re: Diamond SS 24X +Organization: CDNSWC, Naval Ship Systems Eng Sta, Phila PA +Lines: 20 + +Greetings! + +I've had a bunch of problems with the 24x. Opening a DOS window on the +desktop can occasionally result in the windows ""blowing up"" into a set of +horizontal lines, hashing the entire desktop. Nothing can recover this +except to completely exit from Windows. The other irritating problem is +that windows that scroll often overwrite lines rather than actually +scrolling, as if a CR was printed without an LF. This seems ONLY to happen +to communications programs, but I can't nail it down any further than that. +Note, though, that the comms programs don't have to be communicating. Even +just scrolling back through capture buffers or displaying disk files in +these programs causes the problem. + + Prior to the latest rev of Word Perfect for Windows, WPwin would sometimes +blow up, and the error message would cite the video driver as the source of +the problem. I've still seen this, but only once or twice with WPwin 5.2. + + Dave Zimmerman + (My opinions are my own) + +",2 +4732,"From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) +Subject: Re: bikes with big dogs +Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division +Lines: 17 + +In article <1993Apr14.212827.2277@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes: +>In article <1993Apr14.234835.1@cua.edu>, 84wendel@cua.edu writes: +>> Has anyone ever heard of a rider giving a big dog such as a great dane a ride +>> on the back of his bike. My dog would love it if I could ever make it work. +> +>!!! Post of the month !!! +>Actually, I've seen riders carting around a pet dog in a sidecar.... +>A great Dane on the back though; sounds a bit hairy to me. + +Yeah, I'm sure that our lab would love a ride (he's the type that sticks his +head out car windows) but I didn't think that he would enjoy being bungee- +corded to the gas tank, and 65 lbs or squirming beast is a bit much for a +backpack (ok who's done it....). + +I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV + got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca + ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada +",8 +1526,"From: jgarven@mcl.cc.utexas.edu +Subject: Re: Trumpet for Windows & other news readers +Lines: 34 + + +In article ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar) writes: +>In article <1993Apr21.082430@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be> wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder) writes: +> +>>What the status of Trumpet for Windows? Will it use the Windows sockets ? +>>I liked it in DOS but had to abandon it since I started using NDIS to access +>>our token ring (results in invalid class error :( +> +>While I do not speak for Peter Tattam, I am fairly sure he is planning a +>Winsock compliant version. While this will definitely not make the initial +>public release of WinTrumpet, it will follow on shortly thereafter. +> +>Currently WinTrumpet is in very late beta. It looks like an excellent +>product, with several features beyond the DOS version. +> +>WinTrumpet supports the Trumpet TCP, Novell LWP, and there is also a direct to +>packet driver version that some people are using with the dis_pkt shim. +> +>Ashok + +Ashok, + +Is WinTrumpet available anywhere via anonymous ftp? + +*=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=* +| James R. Garven | +| ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | +| Dept. of Finance, CBA 3.250 Voice: (512) 471-6557 | +| Graduate School of Business Fax: (512) 471-5073 | +| University of Texas Internet: jgarven@mcl.cc.utexas.edu | +| Austin, TX 78712, U.S.A. BITNET: Garven@UTXVM.BITNET | +| ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | +| ""Education is ... hanging on until you've caught on"" - Robert Frost | +*=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=* +",2 +10523,"From: schwarze@starbase1.caltech.edu (Erich Schwarz) +Subject: Re: 19th Century Capitalism +Organization: CalTech, Div. of Biology +Lines: 38 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: anise.bio.caltech.edu + +In article <31MAR199317363332@jane.uh.edu>, mece3d@jane.uh.edu (Chris +Struble) wrote: +Christian Struble writes: + +> Some people are not very good at getting the best deal for their +> effort, and others are unwilling to put forth much effort, even in +> the face of economic incentives. There will always be some people +> who are stupid or lazy, relative to the ability or effort of most +> others. The question is what do you do with them? There are three +> options: +> [...] +> 2) Kill those who are not productive as a drain upon ""society"". +> This is the communist (""All who do not toil shall not eat"" - +> Lenin) or fascist approach. +> [...] + + You're being too generous to the communists, I think. In practice, +communism has ""solved"" the problem by killing off anybody who is _too_ +productive, and who therefore raises embarrassing questions about why the +rest of the group is a bunch of sluggards. The mass butchery of ""kulaks"" +in the USSR is a good instance of this. + A poor second best is to have a neighboring capitalist country to which +people of politically incorrect skill and ambition flee. I often wonder +just what Castro would have done if the Cubans presently in Miami would +have been forced to remain in Cuba. Would they have revolted and killed +him off, or been killed? + Best of all is to build a wall locking the citizens of your country in, +load it up so heavily with attack dogs, barbed wire, and land mines that +most people fleeing over it die, and then give everyone the choice of +obedience, prison, or flight. This would be a bad science-fiction novel, +if the East Germans hadn't actually done it. The last person to die +crossing the wall, as I recall, was an unarmed woman who was shot in the +back. Erich Honecker was going to go on trial for that, but he fled to +socialists in Chile. + It's good to be kind to one's intellectual opponents, but sometimes +it's a sheer waste of time. + +--Erich Schwarz / schwarze@starbase1.caltech.edu +",18 +8154,"From: bmdelane@quads.uchicago.edu (brian manning delaney) +Subject: Re: Epstein-Barr Syndrome questions +Keywords: EBV CFS CFIDS +Reply-To: bmdelane@midway.uchicago.edu +Organization: University of Chicago +Lines: 47 + +In article <1993Apr23.034226.2284@reed.edu> jcherney@reed.edu writes: +>Okay, this is a long shot. +> +>My friend Robin has recurring bouts of mononucleosis-type symptoms, very +>regularly. This has been going on for a number of years. She's seen a +>number of doctors; six was the last count, I think. Most of them have +>said either ""You have mono"" or ""You're full of it; there's nothing wrong +>with you."" One has admitted to having no idea what was wrong with her, +>and one has claimed that it is Epstein-Barr syndrome. +> +>Now, what she told me about EBS is that very few doctors even believe that +>it exists. (Obviously, this has been her experience.) So, what's the +>story? Is it real? Does the medical profession believe it to be real? +> +>Has anyone had success is treating EBS? Or is it just something to live +>with? Thanks for your assistance. + +Outbreaks of a chronic-mono-like entity were originally called EBS (or +some variant thereof) because most of the people with this disease had +elevated levels of antibodies to the EBV virus. But not all of them +did, which prompted an official renaming of the disease to Chronic +Fatigue Syndrome (this renaming took place in the Annals of Internal +Medicine, Jan. 1988, I believe). Now it's also called Chronic Fatigue +and Immune Dysfunction Syndrome (CFIDS), since it seems clear that +some sort of immune disregulation is causing the probs. + +Astonishly, there are still docs who tell people with massively +swollen glands, recurrent fevers and nightsweats, etc., that there's +nothing wrong with them. This is not the same thing as saying that the +syndrome may have a (at least partly) psychological cause. The +disagreement among people whose thoughts are worth considering centers +on just what the cause is. No one knows, but theories include: +psychological stress, some sort of virus (a retrovirus, say most -- +maybe one of the newly discovered herpes viruses), environmental +toxins, bacteria (and, yes, candida), genes, (and/)or some combo of +these. + +There's no outright cure at the moment, but different docs try +different things, some of which seem to help. + +Massive amounts of info on the condition are available these days. +Post your Q to alt.med.cfs, and you will be flooded w/facts. + +Note: There are lots of far better understood (and better treatable) +diseases that look like CFIDS. Make sure these get ruled-out by a good +doc. + +",13 +1591,"From: kayman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman) +Subject: Re: Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE) +Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. +Lines: 42 + +In article wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W) writes: +>ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes: +> +>>I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20 +>>I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better). Vertical motion +>>is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click +>>on something because my mouse jumps around. I can be moving the mouse to +>>the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly +>>for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump +>>again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!). This is crazy! I have +>>never had so much trouble with a mouse before. Anyone have any solutions? +> +>>Does Microsoft think they are what everyone should be? <- just venting steam! +> +>I think I have the same problem. I think it is caused by the rubber ball +>in the mouse, which doesn't roll so smooth. The detectors in the mouse +>notice this and whoops, I hit a mine (using minesweeper :-) ). +> +>I think the solution will be buying a new mouse, and/or using a mouse pad. +> +>Wouter. + + +And/or taking the rubber ball out of the mouse (should be directions +in the manual or on the bottom of the mouse) and cleaning it with +alcohol (isopropyl, I believe - the same alcohol as used for cleaning +your cassette deck). This is good to do every so often, even if you +have a mouse pad. Dust still gets caught in the mouse and on the +rubber ball. As well, lint and other garbage may find it's way onto +the rubber ball and get into the mouse damaging the horizontal and +vertical sensors. + +Hope this helps. Good luck. + +-- +Sincerely, + +Robert Kayman ---- kayman@cs.stanford.edu -or- cpa@cs.stanford.edu + +""In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not."" +""You mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision + revised?!?!"" +",2 +2407,"From: Sammons@mailer.acns.fsu.edu (David Sammons) +Subject: Re: Monitor turning off on its own +Organization: FSUACNS +Lines: 29 + +In article , +gcohen@mailer.acns.fsu.edu (Gregory Cohen) wrote: +> +> In article <1993Apr13.142129.9491@rhrk.uni-kl.de> staudt@physik.uni-kl.de (Willi Staudt AG-Linder) writes: +> >From: staudt@physik.uni-kl.de (Willi Staudt AG-Linder) +> >Subject: Re: Monitor turning off on its own +> >Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 14:21:29 GMT +> >kayc@leland.Stanford.EDU (K C Ku) writes: +> >|> +> >|>I have a strange problem with my Apple 13"" monitor which hopefully +> >|>someone can shed some light on. +> >|> +> >|>I would be using my computer for 5 minutes and then the screen would +> >|>go blank as if someone has switch the monitor off. After the screen +> >|>went off, I would not be able to turn the monitor off even if I turn +> >|>the power off and back on. I will have to let the monitor sit over +> >|>night and it usually turns on, although it doesnt stay on for very +> >|>long. +> >|> +> >|>Dooes anybody has similar experience with such a problem before? Is +> >|>there some fuse in the monitor that prevents it from turning on? When +> >|>I try to turn the monitor on, it seems that the monitor tries to turn +> >|>on but it prevented by some mechamism. +> + In certain Apple 13"" RGB monitors there has been a problem with + the HIGH VOLTAGE CAPASITOR. Apple knows about this problem and is + replacing the cap at no cost if it falls into the bad batch that + they got from their supplier. Your local repair shop should know about + REPAIR EXTENSION 3L0218. +",4 +4322,"From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) +Subject: The Kuebelwagen??!! +Organization: Purdue University Computing Center +Lines: 12 + + Sorry for the mis-spelling, but I forgot how to spell it after +my series of exams and NO-on hand reference here. + + Is it still possible to get those cute WWII VW Jeep-wanna-be's? +A replica would be great I think. + + -TKH '93 + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +If I can convert a C=128 to a C128T, I can do anything... NOT!! +------------------------------------------------------------------------ + +",7 +9312,"From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes) +Subject: Re: Serbian genocide Work of God? +Lines: 89 + +note: i am not the original poster, i am just answering because i +think this is important. + +In article db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes: +>revdak@netcom.com writes: +[evil result of human sinfulness, rather than the will of God] +>In a certain sense yes. But in the sense that God allows evil to +>happen, when obviously (He being God) He could have not had it happen, +>does in a certain sense mean that He wills it to happen. God does not +>condone evil, but instead uses it for good, as you say, however, what +>God desires, must be seperated from what actually happens. For example, +>""God desires that all should be saved"" (1 Timothy 2.4), however, it is +>quite obvious that nowhere near all are saved. Was God's will thwarted? +> No, because His will cannot be escaped, for even when it appears that +>it is your will doing something, it is actually the will of God which by +>His grace has disposed us to do as He wishes. So we come to the age old +>question, why does evil occur? To which we must answer that God allows +>evil to occur, though He does not condone it, so that His ultimate plan +>may be brought to sucess. Personally, I suggest reading the parts of +>the Summa Theologica of St. Thomas that deal with the knowledge of God +>to get a good grasp on this whole idea. + +whoo. i'm going to have to be very careful with my language here. i +think God is voluntarily giving up his omniscience in this world so +that we can decide on our own where we go -- free will. in this sense +God allows evil to occur, and in this sense can be ""held responsible"" +as my chaplain says. however, his will is, of course, that all be +saved. he's not going to save us ""by himself"" -- we have to take a +step in his direction before he will save us. read that last sentence +carefully -- i'm not saying we save ourselves. i'm saying we have to +ACCEPT our salvation. i do not believe in predestination -- it would +appear from what you say further down that you do. + +[stuff deleted] +>I am not saying that anyone deserves punishment more than someone else. +>I am simply pointing out that God could be using the Serbians and +>Croatians as instruments of His punishment, as he did with the +>Israelites against the Cannanites. + +ok -- i have trouble with that, but i guess that's one of those things +that can't be resolved by argument. i accept your interpretation. + +[more deleted] +>>The issue is not questioning why God has made the world in the way God +>>so chooses, it is whether _I_ am discerning the world in the way God +>>intends it. The debate is about whether we should not oppose the Serbians +>>in their ""ethnic cleansing"" because they might be ""doing the will of God."" +> +>And I said Christians should not be participants in such wars and +>slaughters. That does not mitigate the fact that God allows this evil to +>continue, for He is patient and willing that none should perish, so He +>waits for those whom He has foreknown to turn to Him from their evil. + ^^^^^^^^^ +this is what indicates to me that you may believe in predestination. +am i correct? i do not believe in predestination -- i believe we all +choose whether or not we will accept God's gift of salvation to us. +again, fundamental difference which can't really be resolved. + +[yet more deleted] +>I am not saying that the evil befalling the Bosnians is justified by +>their guilt. I am saying that it is possible that God is punishing them +>in this way. In no way is this evil justified, bu that does not mean +>that God cannot use evil to further His purposes. I am not accusing the +>Bosnians, though they may very well be guilty of great sins, but that is +>up to God to judge. We are all defendants when the time comes for our +>judgement by God. Let us all sincerely hope and pray that we will have +>Jesus Christ as our advocate at that judgement. + +yes, it is up to God to judge. but he will only mete out that +punishment at the last judgement. as for now, evil can be done by +human beings that is NOT God's will -- and the best we can do is see +taht some good comes out of it somehow. the thing that most worries +me about the ""it is the will of God"" argument is that this will +convince people that we should not STOP the rape and killing when i +think that it is most christ-like to do just that. if jesus stopped +the stoning of an adulterous woman (perhaps this is not a good +parallel, but i'm going to go with it anyway), why should we not stop +the murder and violation of people who may (or may not) be more +innocent? + +>Andy Byler + +vera +******************************************************************************* +I am your CLOCK! | I bind unto myself today | Vera Noyes +I am your religion! | the strong name of the | noye@midway.uchicago.edu +I own you! | Trinity.... | no disclaimer -- what + - Lard | - St. Patrick's Breastplate | is there to disclaim? +******************************************************************************* +",15 +7445,"From: gray@feline.uucp (Kelly Gray) +Subject: Re: Pinout needed for TIL311 +Organization: Humber College Technology Dept. +Lines: 29 + + According to my TI databook, the pinouts for the TIL311 display are as +follows: + + Pin 1 - LED supply voltage + Pin 2 - Latch data input B + Pin 3 - Latch data input A + Pin 4 - Left decimal point cathode + Pin 5 - Latch strobe input + Pin 6 - Omitted + Pin 7 - Common ground + Pin 8 - Blanking input + Pin 9 - Omitted + Pin 10 - Right decimal point cathode + Pin 11 - Omitted + Pin 12 - Latch data input D + Pin 13 - Latch data input C + Pin 14 - Logic supply voltage, Vcc + +The logic supply voltage is 5V @ 60-90mA. The LED supply is also 5V, but +it need not be particularly well regulated. The LED drivers on the chip +use a constant current source, so LED intensity is not affected by the +supply voltage. + + +-- + + Kelly Gray + gray@feline.uucp (preferred) + gray@admin.humberc.on.ca +",12 +5518,"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing +From: +Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? + <1993Apr16.173252.7393@asd.com> +Lines: 11 + +In article <1993Apr16.173252.7393@asd.com>, scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) says: +> +>Wasn't Ron Bloomberg, the former Yankee who got the first base hit +>by a Designated Hitter, Jewish?? + +i have no idea, nor do i care. however, i'd like to point out that +blomberg got the first plate appearance by a designated hitter, and +the first walk by a designated hitter. i am not sure, but i do not +think that he also got the first hit by a designated hitter. + +bob vesterman. +",9 +7746,"From: dfitts@carson.u.washington.edu (Douglas Fitts) +Subject: Re: RA treatment question +Organization: University of Washington +Lines: 24 +NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu + +eulenbrg@carson.u.washington.edu (Julia Eulenberg) writes: + +>I'm assuming that you mean Rheumatoid Arthritis (RA). I've never heard +>of the ""cold treatment"" you mentioned. I can't imagine how it would +>work, since most of us who have Rh.Arthr./RA seem to have more problems +>in cold weather than in warm weather. Would be interested to hear more! +>Z +>Z + + +No, obviously talking about Research Assistants. I favor a high protein, +low fat diet, barely adequate salary on a fixed time schedule, four hours +of sleep a night, continuous infusion of latte, unpredictable praise +mixed randomly with anxiety-provoking, everpresent glances with +lowered eyebrows, unrealistic promises of rapid publication, and +every three months a dinner consisting of nothing but microbrewery ale +and free pretzels. Actually, mine hails from San Diego, and indeed +has more problems in Seattle in cold weather than in warm. + +Doug Fitts +dfitts@u.washington.edu + + + +",13 +5755,"From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) +Subject: Re: Sandberg, Runs, RBIs (was: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series) +Originator: news@nimaster +Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu +Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) +Organization: Princeton University +Distribution: na +Lines: 36 + +In article bratt@crchh7a9.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Bratt) writes: +>In article , niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) writes: +>|> +>|> Alomar fans left RBI fans and Runs off this list because they are dependant +>|> on the team. (To a large extent). If Frank Thomas hit first, he'd lose a LOT +>|> of RBI's; and anyways how many 2nd place hitters have you known to drive +>|> in 100 runs? Doesn't happen that often.....very unlikely with Devon White's +>|> ~.300 OBP in front of you... +>I'm pretty sure that Sandberg has done this at least once. (I know someone +>will correct me if I'm wrong.) + +>RBIs and Runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics. You +>can talk about OBP and SLG% all you want, but the fact remains: + +> The team that scores more runs wins the game! +> --------------------------------------------- + +Right. So who cares which PLAYER gets credited, as long as the TEAM +gets more runs? If a player helps the TEAM get more R and RBI, but +doesn't score them all himself, who cares? + +Consider: + +Player A: single. +Player B: grounder to short; reaches on the force at 2nd. +Player C: Double, B to 3rd. +Player D: Sac fly. + +B gets a run, D gets an RBI. Are you *sure* they helped the team +more than A and C? Think hard, now. + +>Flame Away + +As you wish. + +Roger +",9 +1644,"From: doug@sun.sws.uiuc.edu (Doug Ward) +Subject: Stealth 24 Video Drivers +Organization: State Water Survey +Lines: 14 + + +I recently purchased a Diamond Stealth 24 Video card +and received the wrong drivers. Does anyone know where +I can ftp the windows video drivers for the Stealth 24. +I tried the drivers at cica and they don't work. +The right drivers are on the Diamond BBS but the file is almost +1 meg and it would take a while to download them +at 2400 baud. Any information would be appreciated. Please +contact me at doug@sun.sws.uiuc.edu + +Thank you + +Doug Ward +. +",2 +1390,"From: bernstei@shrike.und.ac.za (Simon Bernstein) +Subject: BOCA XGA3 woes +Organization: University of Natal (Durban), South Africa +Lines: 25 +NNTP-Posting-Host: shrike.und.ac.za +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] + +Hi. I am having some interesting problems with my Boca graphics card, which +is based on the Cirrus Logic chipset (I am not sure exactly which one). The +problem is as follows: + +If I use any Windows driver at 800x600 except for the 64K-colour driver (ie +16 colour or 256 colour), the image on screen becomes too tall - no amount of +resizing on the monitor will make it fit. And if I use Excel with the 64K- +colour driver, it hangs as soon as it loads. Anyone out there used this +card/experienced anything similar. + +Please reply by mail, and I will post any solutions here. + +Regards + + - Simon + + +-- + + ++-------------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ +| Simon Bernstein | ""Man is condemned to be free"" (Sartre) | +| University of Natal, Durban +--------------------------------------------+ +| bernstei@shrike.und.ac.za | Simonfish on IRC | ++-------------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ +",2 +980,"From: diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) +Subject: Alias phone number wanted +Organization: Diablo Creative +Reply-To: diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) +X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 +Lines: 9 + +What is the phone number for Alias? +A toll-free number is preferred, if available. + +Thanks + +-- +charles boesel @ diablo creative | If Pro = for and Con = against +cboesel@diablo.uu.holonet.net | Then what's the opposite of Progress? ++1.510.980.1958(pager) | What else, Congress. +",1 +8517,"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) +Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? +Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow +Lines: 34 + +In article henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: + +>>This prize isn't big enough to warrent developing a SSTO, but it is +>>enough to do it if the vehicle exists. + +>Actually, there are people who will tell you that it *would* be enough +>to do SSTO development, if done privately as a cut-rate operation. Of +>course, they may be over-optimistic. + +In spite of my great respect for the people you speak of, I think their +cost estimates are a bit over-optimistic. If nothing else, a working SSTO +is at least as complex as a large airliner and has a smaller experience +base. It therefore seems that SSTO development should cost at least as +much as a typical airliner development. That puts it in the $3G to $5G +range. + +>You can also assume that a working SSTO would have other applications +>that would help pay for its development costs. + +True it and the contest would result in a much larger market. But I +don't think it would be enough to attract the investors given the +risks involved. + +If you could gurantee the SSTO costs and gurantee that it captures +100% of the available launch market, then I think you could +do it. + + Allen + +-- ++---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | +| W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | ++----------------------56 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ +",14 +4899,"From: garym@cycle.mentorg.com (Gary Myron) +Subject: Re: Shipping a bike +Nntp-Posting-Host: cycle.mentorg.com +Organization: Mentor Graphics +Keywords: +Lines: 21 + +> Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco +> to Seattle? And how much might it cost? + +I shipped my K75S from Portland Oregon to Daytona for this years +bike week (I rode it back!). The company I used is The Federal Co's. +You can reach them at 1-800-747-4100 ex 214. You either have to be +a AMA member, or maybe it is just a discount for AMA, not sure. +(Call 1-800-AMA-JOIN to become an AMA member) + +The shipping cost is based on the number of miles. It cost me about $500 +for Portland to Orlando. $80 of that was insurance. All I had to do is +ride it to the shipping dock and siphon the gas out. I think they can +also pick up the bike from any business. The bike arrived on-time at +Orlando. All I had to do was adjust the mirrors and add gas. The bike +was in perfect shape! + +--Gary + + + + +",8 +7220,"From: heuvel@neptune.iex.com (Ted Van Den Heuvel) +Subject: Motorola MC14315 and MC143120 +Originator: heuvel@neptune.iex.com +Organization: iex +Lines: 12 + + +Let me try sending this message again, I botched up the margins the +first time; *sorry* 'bout that :) + +Does anyone out there know of any products using Motorola's Neuron(r) +chips MC143150 or MC143120. If so, what are they and are they utilizing +Standard Network Variable Types (SNVT)? +________________________________________________________________________ + +Ted Van Den Heuvel heuvel@neptune.iex.com +KX5P +________________________________________________________________________ +",12 +7876,"From: Isabelle.Rosso@Dartmouth.edu (Isabelle Rosso) +Subject: Hunchback +X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0b15@dartmouth.edu +Organization: Dartmouth College +Lines: 14 + +I have a friend who has a very pronounced slouch of his upper back. He +always walks and sits this way so I have concluded that he is +hunchback. +Is this a genetic disorder, or is it something that people can correct. +i.e. is it just bad posture that can be changed with a bit of will +power? + + + + + +Isabelle.Rosso@Dartmouth.edu + + +",13 +8174,"From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) +Subject: Space FAQ 14/15 - How to Become an Astronaut +Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions +Article-I.D.: cs.astronaut_733694515 +Expires: 6 May 1993 20:01:55 GMT +Distribution: world +Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill +Lines: 313 +Supersedes: +NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu + +Archive-name: space/astronaut +Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:02 $ + +HOW TO BECOME AN ASTRONAUT + + First the short form, authored by Henry Spencer, then an official NASA + announcement. + + Q. How do I become an astronaut? + + A. We will assume you mean a NASA astronaut, since it's probably + impossible for a non-Russian to get into the cosmonaut corps (paying + passengers are not professional cosmonauts), and the other nations have + so few astronauts (and fly even fewer) that you're better off hoping to + win a lottery. Becoming a shuttle pilot requires lots of fast-jet + experience, which means a military flying career; forget that unless you + want to do it anyway. So you want to become a shuttle ""mission + specialist"". + + If you aren't a US citizen, become one; that is a must. After that, + the crucial thing to remember is that the demand for such jobs vastly + exceeds the supply. NASA's problem is not finding qualified people, + but thinning the lineup down to manageable length. It is not enough + to be qualified; you must avoid being *dis*qualified for any reason, + many of them in principle quite irrelevant to the job. + + Get a Ph.D. Specialize in something that involves getting your hands + dirty with equipment, not just paper and pencil. Forget computer + programming entirely; it will be done from the ground for the fore- + seeable future. Degree(s) in one field plus work experience in + another seems to be a frequent winner. + + Be in good physical condition, with good eyesight. (DO NOT get a + radial keratomy or similar hack to improve your vision; nobody knows + what sudden pressure changes would do to RKed eyes, and long-term + effects are poorly understood. For that matter, avoid any other + significant medical unknowns.) If you can pass a jet-pilot physical, + you should be okay; if you can't, your chances are poor. + + Practise public speaking, and be conservative and conformist in + appearance and actions; you've got a tough selling job ahead, trying + to convince a cautious, conservative selection committee that you + are better than hundreds of other applicants. (And, also, that you + will be a credit to NASA after you are hired: public relations is + a significant part of the job, and NASA's image is very prim and + proper.) The image you want is squeaky-clean workaholic yuppie. + Remember also that you will need a security clearance at some point, + and Security considers everybody guilty until proven innocent. + Keep your nose clean. + + Get a pilot's license and make flying your number one hobby; + experienced pilots are known to be favored even for non-pilot jobs. + + Work for NASA; of 45 astronauts selected between 1984 and 1988, + 43 were military or NASA employees, and the remaining two were + a NASA consultant and Mae Jemison (the first black female astronaut). + If you apply from outside NASA and miss, but they offer you a job + at NASA, ***TAKE IT***; sometimes in the past this has meant ""you + do look interesting but we want to know you a bit better first"". + + Think space: they want highly motivated people, so lose no chance + to demonstrate motivation. + + Keep trying. Many astronauts didn't make it the first time. + + + + + NASA + National Aeronautics and Space Administration + Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center + Houston, Texas + + Announcement for Mission Specialist and Pilot Astronaut Candidates + ================================================================== + + Astronaut Candidate Program + --------------------------- + + The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) has a need for + Pilot Astronaut Candidates and Mission Specialist Astronaut Candidates + to support the Space Shuttle Program. NASA is now accepting on a + continuous basis and plans to select astronaut candidates as needed. + + Persons from both the civilian sector and the military services will be + considered. + + All positions are located at the Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center in + Houston, Texas, and will involved a 1-year training and evaluation + program. + + Space Shuttle Program Description + --------------------------------- + + The numerous successful flights of the Space Shuttle have demonstrated + that operation and experimental investigations in space are becoming + routine. The Space Shuttle Orbiter is launched into, and maneuvers in + the Earth orbit performing missions lastling up to 30 days. It then + returns to earth and is ready for another flight with payloads and + flight crew. + + The Orbiter performs a variety of orbital missions including deployment + and retrieval of satellites, service of existing satellites, operation + of specialized laboratories (astronomy, earth sciences, materials + processing, manufacturing), and other operations. These missions will + eventually include the development and servicing of a permanent space + station. The Orbiter also provides a staging capability for using higher + orbits than can be achieved by the Orbiter itself. Users of the Space + Shuttle's capabilities are both domestic and foreign and include + government agencies and private industries. + + The crew normally consists of five people - the commander, the pilot, + and three mission specialists. On occasion additional crew members are + assigned. The commander, pilot, and mission specialists are NASA + astronauts. + + Pilot Astronaut + + Pilot astronauts server as both Space Shuttle commanders and pilots. + During flight the commander has onboard responsibility for the vehicle, + crew, mission success and safety in flight. The pilot assists the + commander in controlling and operating the vehicle. In addition, the + pilot may assist in the deployment and retrieval of satellites utilizing + the remote manipulator system, in extra-vehicular activities, and other + payload operations. + + Mission Specialist Astronaut + + Mission specialist astronauts, working with the commander and pilot, + have overall responsibility for the coordination of Shuttle operations + in the areas of crew activity planning, consumables usage, and + experiment and payload operations. Mission specialists are required to + have a detailed knowledge of Shuttle systems, as well as detailed + knowledge of the operational characteristics, mission requirements and + objectives, and supporting systems and equipment for each of the + experiments to be conducted on their assigned missions. Mission + specialists will perform extra-vehicular activities, payload handling + using the remote manipulator system, and perform or assist in specific + experimental operations. + + Astronaut Candidate Program + =========================== + + Basic Qualification Requirements + -------------------------------- + + Applicants MUST meet the following minimum requirements prior to + submitting an application. + + Mission Specialist Astronaut Candidate: + + 1. Bachelor's degree from an accredited institution in engineering, + biological science, physical science or mathematics. Degree must be + followed by at least three years of related progressively responsible, + professional experience. An advanced degree is desirable and may be + substituted for part or all of the experience requirement (master's + degree = 1 year, doctoral degree = 3 years). Quality of academic + preparation is important. + + 2. Ability to pass a NASA class II space physical, which is similar to a + civilian or military class II flight physical and includes the following + specific standards: + + Distant visual acuity: + 20/150 or better uncorrected, + correctable to 20/20, each eye. + + Blood pressure: + 140/90 measured in sitting position. + + 3. Height between 58.5 and 76 inches. + + Pilot Astronaut Candidate: + + 1. Bachelor's degree from an accredited institution in engineering, + biological science, physical science or mathematics. Degree must be + followed by at least three years of related progressively responsible, + professional experience. An advanced degree is desirable. Quality of + academic preparation is important. + + 2. At least 1000 hours pilot-in-command time in jet aircraft. Flight + test experience highly desirable. + + 3. Ability to pass a NASA Class I space physical which is similar to a + military or civilian Class I flight physical and includes the following + specific standards: + + Distant visual acuity: + 20/50 or better uncorrected + correctable to 20/20, each eye. + + Blood pressure: + 140/90 measured in sitting position. + + 4. Height between 64 and 76 inches. + + Citizenship Requirements + + Applications for the Astronaut Candidate Program must be citizens of + the United States. + + Note on Academic Requirements + + Applicants for the Astronaut Candidate Program must meet the basic + education requirements for NASA engineering and scientific positions -- + specifically: successful completion of standard professional curriculum + in an accredited college or university leading to at least a bachelor's + degree with major study in an appropriate field of engineering, + biological science, physical science, or mathematics. + + The following degree fields, while related to engineering and the + sciences, are not considered qualifying: + - Degrees in technology (Engineering Technology, Aviation Technology, + Medical Technology, etc.) + - Degrees in Psychology (except for Clinical Psychology, Physiological + Psychology, or Experimental Psychology which are qualifying). + - Degrees in Nursing. + - Degrees in social sciences (Geography, Anthropology, Archaeology, etc.) + - Degrees in Aviation, Aviation Management or similar fields. + + Application Procedures + ---------------------- + + Civilian + + The application package may be obtained by writing to: + + NASA Johnson Space Center + Astronaut Selection Office + ATTN: AHX + Houston, TX 77058 + + Civilian applications will be accepted on a continuous basis. When NASA + decides to select additional astronaut candidates, consideration will be + given only to those applications on hand on the date of decision is + made. Applications received after that date will be retained and + considered for the next selection. Applicants will be notified annually + of the opportunity to update their applications and to indicate + continued interest in being considered for the program. Those applicants + who do not update their applications annually will be dropped from + consideration, and their applications will not be retained. After the + preliminary screening of applications, additional information may be + requested for some applicants, and person listed on the application as + supervisors and references may be contacted. + + Active Duty Military + + Active duty military personnel must submit applications to their + respective military service and not directly to NASA. Application + procedures will be disseminated by each service. + + Selection + --------- + + Personal interviews and thorough medical evaluations will be required + for both civilian and military applicants under final consideration. + Once final selections have been made, all applicants who were considered + will be notified of the outcome of the process. + + Selection rosters established through this process may be used for the + selection of additional candidates during a one year period following + their establishment. + + General Program Requirements + + Selected applicants will be designated Astronaut Candidates and will be + assigned to the Astronaut Office at the Johnson Space Center, Houston, + Texas. The astronaut candidates will undergo a 1 year training and + evaluation period during which time they will be assigned technical or + scientific responsibilities allowing them to contribute substantially to + ongoing programs. They will also participate in the basic astronaut + training program which is designed to develop the knowledge and skills + required for formal mission training upon selection for a flight. Pilot + astronaut candidates will maintain proficiency in NASA aircraft during + their candidate period. + + Applicants should be aware that selection as an astronaut candidate does + not insure selection as an astronaut. Final selection as an astronaut + will depend on satisfactory completion of the 1 year training and + evaluation period. Civilian candidates who successfully complete the + training and evaluation and are selected as astronauts will become + permanent Federal employees and will be expected to remain with NASA for + a period of at least five years. Civilian candidates who are not + selected as astronauts may be placed in other positions within NASA + depending upon Agency requirements and manpower constraints at that + time. Successful military candidates will be detailed to NASA for a + specified tour of duty. + + NASA has an affirmative action program goal of having qualified + minorities and women among those qualified as astronaut candidates. + Therefore, qualified minorities and women are encouraged to apply. + + Pay and Benefits + ---------------- + + Civilians + + Salaries for civilian astronaut candidates are based on the Federal + Governments General Schedule pay scales for grades GS-11 through GS-14, + and are set in accordance with each individuals academic achievements + and experience. + + Other benefits include vacation and sick leave, a retirement plan, and + participation in group health and life insurance plans. + + Military + + Selected military personnel will be detailed to the Johnson Space Center + but will remain in an active duty status for pay, benefits, leave, and + other similar military matters. + + +NEXT: FAQ #15/15 - Orbital and Planetary Launch Services +",14 +7185,"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) +Subject: Re: Adcom cheap products? +Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine +Lines: 23 + +I have an Adcom GFA-555 that I got in 1985. There certainly isn't +anything magic about it. The components used are decent, but +nothing uncommon with respect to consumer grade components. + +The GFA-555 is a nice piece of equipment. I'm glad that Adcom had +the guts to not over-do the packaging. It irks me when I see +audiophile oriented equipment whose case and heat sinks probably +cost much more and receive more attention than the electronics they +are supposed to serve. + +I don't see any big deal about the geographic region in which +something is assembled. This is especially true for something as +low-technology as a GFA-555. + +I'd hope that a GFA-545 would still work well after several years. +Except under conditions of extreme abuse, there isn't much there to +go wrong. + + +-- +Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department +Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 +wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED +",12 +244,"From: (Rashid) +Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam +Nntp-Posting-Host: 47.252.4.179 +Organization: NH +Lines: 31 + +In article <1993Apr14.121134.12187@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, +darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) wrote: +> +> >In article khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Umar Khan) writes: +Stuff deleted +> >>What we should be demanding, is for Khomeini and his ilk to publicly +> >>come clean and to show their proof that Islamic Law punishes +> >>apostacy with death or that it tolerates any similar form of +> >>coversion of freedom of conscience. + +All five schools of law (to the best of my knowledge) support the +death sentence for apostasy WHEN it is accompanied by open, persistent, +and aggravated hostility to Islam. Otherwise +I agree, there is no legal support for punishment of disbelief. +The Qur'an makes it clear that belief is a matter of conscience. Public +or private disavowal of Islam or conversion to another faith is not +punishable (there are some jurists who have gone against this +trend and insisted that apostasy is punishable (even by death) - but +historically they are the exception. + +Cursing and Insulting the Prophets falls under the category of ""Shatim"". + +> +> I just borrowed a book from the library on Khomeini's fatwa etc. +>Lots of stuff deleted< +> +> And, according to the above analysis, it looks like Khomeini's offering +> of a reward for Rushdie's death in fact constitutes a criminal act +> according to Islamic law. + +Please see my post under ""Re: Yet more Rushdie (ISLAMIC LAW)"". +",0 +7525,"From: philc@macs.ee.mcgill.ca (Phil Crawley) +Subject: Read only if going to ISCAS93 in Chicago +Keywords: Soccer, ISCAS93 +Lines: 20 +Nntp-Posting-Host: kirk.ee.mcgill.ca +Organization: McGill University - MACS Laboratory, Montreal, CANADA. + + + This is message is only of interest to those going to +International Symposium on Circuits and Systems that is being +held in Chicago this May. + + I checking to see if there is any people out there who would be +interested in getting together for a pickup game of soccer during +the off hours of the conference. If so could you e-mail me at: + +philc@macs.ee.mcgill.ca + +I'll bring a ball. If you know someone who is going to the +conference and you know that they are avid soccer players +please pass on this message to them. Also if someone in +Chicago is going to the conference please let me know if +there is any field near the hotel where we can play. + +Thanks. Bye. + +Philip Crawley +",12 +5787,"From: woods@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods) +Subject: Re: Rockies spoon-feed game to Mets +Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO +Lines: 18 + +In article <4200416@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes: +>Is it just me, or does Bichette look totally lost in the outfield? + +He's been playing horrible defense. Baylor said after Wednesday's game that +he wanted to shake up the lineup a little, because Bichette has been +having a rough time defensively and Jerald Clark has not been hitting. +He was true to his word; I went to Thursday's game and Gerald Young +was in right and Daryl Boston (who has a very hot bat) was in left. +Baylor was careful to say though that he didn't necessarily mean for +these changes to be permanent but he wanted to give these other two +a shot while Clark and Bichette were not playing well. + +In defense of Bichette, it looks like right field in Mile High Stadium +is a bitch to play. Some of the visiting outfielders have been having +some problems too (although Bobby Bonilla made a great catch crashing into +the wall to rob Daryl Boston of an extra base hit in Thursday's game) + +--Greg +",9 +191,"From: dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) +Subject: Re: Jews can't hide from keith@cco. +Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada +Lines: 40 + +In article <1pqdor$9s2@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: +>In article <1993Apr3.071823.13253@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes: +>The poster casually trashed two thousand years of Jewish history, and +>Ken replied that there had previously been people like him in Germany. + +I think the problem here is that I pretty much ignored the part +about the Jews sightseeing for 2000 years, thinking instead that +the important part of what the original poster said was the bit +about killing Palestinians. In retrospect, I can see how the +sightseeing thing would be offensive to many. I originally saw +it just as poetic license, but it's understandable that others +might see it differently. I still think that Ken came on a bit +strong though. I also think that your advice to Masud Khan: + + #Before you argue with someone like Mr Arromdee, it's a good idea to + #do a little homework, or at least think. + +was unnecessary. + +>That's right. There have been. There have also been people who +>were formally Nazis. But the Nazi party would have gone nowhere +>without the active and tacit support of the ordinary man in the +>street who behaved as though casual anti-semitism was perfectly +>acceptable. +> +>Now what exactly don't you understand about what I wrote, and why +>don't you see what it has to do with the matter at hand? + +Throughout all your articles in this thread there is the tacit +assumption that the original poster was exhibiting casual +anti-semitism. If I agreed with that, then maybe your speech +on why this is bad might have been relevant. But I think you're +reading a lot into one flip sentence. While probably not +true in this case, too often the charge of anti-semitism gets +thrown around in order to stifle legitimate criticism of the +state of Israel. + +Anyway, I'd rather be somewhere else, so I'm outta this thread. +-- +Doug Graham dgraham@bnr.ca My opinions are my own. +",0 +8461,"From: Mehrtens_T@msm.cdx.mot.com +Subject: Re: How many read sci.space? +Nntp-Posting-Host: tom_mac.prds.cdx.mot.com +Organization: Motorola_Codex +Lines: 25 + +In article <1qkmkiINNep3@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug +Mohney) writes: +>In article <1993Apr15.204210.26022@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, +pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) writes: +>> +>>There are actually only two of us. I do Henry, Fred, Tommy and Mary. Oh +yeah, +>>this isn't my real name, I'm a bald headed space baby. +> +>Damn! So it was YOU who was drinking beer with ROBERT McELWANE in the PARKING +>LOT of the K-MART! +> Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? +> -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- + +They just tore down the Kmart near my house (putting in a new suptermarket). I +heard that there is a beer drinking ghost who still haunts the place! 8-{) + +Tom + +I liked this one I read a while ago... + +""Data sheet: HSN-3000 Nuclear Event Detector. The [NED] senses the gamma +radiation pulse [from a] nuclear weapon."" As if we wouldn't notice... + + +",14 +8865,"From: maridai@comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio) +Subject: Re: Every Lent He suffers to save us +Organization: trunking_fixed +Lines: 59 + +The story I related is one of the seven apparitions +approved by our Church as worthy of belief. It happened +in La Salle, France. + +The moral lesson of the story is: + +The Lamb of God has been sacrificed and His blood has +been used to cleanse us of our sins every moment as God perceives +worthy of being done in Heaven. Mary weeps for The Lamb and +for the rest of her offsprings. This will continue while we +disobey God or sin against Him. Mary, as a messenger, +has been given the task to make us be 'aware' of the evil +serpent (communism, wars, famine, unfaithful, disobedience +to God, etc.) running after the rest of her offsprings. +The children who went astray by disobedience led by the dragon is +brought back by her peace and loving messages, reparations for sins, +to obey God's commandments and be more worthy to be in the presence +of The Lamb. + +As she was conceived without sin to be worthy of bearing the +Son of God in her womb, Mary has been preparing us, the Church, +the Body of Christ, for His second coming (making sure we are +protected from the dragon). Also, she has been preparing the new +Eden, by reversing the deed of the ancient Eve. The new Eden will be +the sanctuary of the righteous as judged by Christ in His +next coming. + +I relate the story again: + I believe this and Mary, in one of her apparitions + in 19th or 20th century, she appeared to these + two children who tends goats and cows (I forgot + the exact place). She was weeping and telling the + children that she is afraid she's ""going to lose her + Son's arm"". She is mourning too for these + townfolks because it was their fault that there + would be drought in their harvest; not much good + food again this year as it was last year. + + Mary tells the children: +* Most of the townfolks in this place worked whole * +* week even on Sundays when they should be in church * +* honoring God. These townfolks swears and * +* uses her Son's name in bad words. That is * + why her Son's arm is so heavy in pain. + Then she asked them if they pray. The children + said ""hardly"". She asked them to pray every + morning and night. When the children went back + from work they had to tell somebody about this. + When the news was spred and after thorough +* investigation of the incident, the townfolks * +* were converted and faith and obedience to God * +* were restored in their community. * + + +Once again, the Lamb succeeds. + +-Marida + ""...spreading God's words through actions..."" + -Mother Teresa +",15 +7180,"From: then@snakemail.hut.fi (Tomi H Engdahl) +Subject: Re: Telephone on hook/off hok ok circuit ~ +Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland +Lines: 17 + + <1ptolq$p7e@werple.apana.org.au> +NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-11.hut.fi +In-reply-to: petert@zikzak.apana.org.au's message of 7 Apr 1993 05:26:18 GMT + +In article <1ptolq$p7e@werple.apana.org.au> petert@zikzak.apana.org.au (Peter T.) writes: + +>Since an on-hook line is aprox 48-50V, and off-hook it usually drops below 10V. +>How about an LED in series with a zener say around 30V. +>On-hook = LED on +>Off-hook = LED off. +>Would this work? If anyone tries/tried it, please let me know. + +Not recommended. Your circuit would take too much current, when +telephone is on-hook. Telephone company does not like it. + + +-- +Tomi.Engdahl@hut.fi ! LOWERY'S LAW: +then@niksula.hut.fi ! ""If it jams - force it. If it breaks, + ! it needed replacing anyway."" +* This text is provided ""as is"" without any express or implied warranty * +",12 +4165,"From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) +Subject: rec.autos: the Rec.Autos Archive Server +Keywords: Monthly Posting +Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com +Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies +Lines: 10 + +Archive-name: rec-autos/part3 + +The Automotive Articles Archive Server: + +the automotive archive server is in the process of being rehosted, +and is presently not available. +-- +richard welty 518-393-7228 welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com +``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of + a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith +",7 +9111,"From: rsteele@adam.ll.mit.edu (Rob Steele) +Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."" +Reply-To: rob@ll.mit.edu +Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory +Lines: 17 + +In article +gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes: + +> We are _just_ animals. We need sleep, food, and we reproduce. And +> we die. + +I agree we need sleep & etc, but I disagree we are _just_ animals. +That statement is a categorical negative; it's like saying there are +_no_ polkadoted elephants. It may be true but one would have to be +omniscient to know for sure. + +------------------------------------------------------------ +Rob Steele In coming to understand anything +MIT Lincoln Laboratory we are rejecting the facts as they +244 Wood St., M-203 are for us in favour of the facts +Lexington, MA 02173 as they are. +617/981-2575 C.S. Lewis +",15 +5297,"From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) +Subject: Re: Young Catchers +Article-I.D.: netcom.mssC52qMx.768 +Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) +Lines: 86 + +In article <7975@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: +>mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said: +>> +>>We know that very, very few players at this age make much of an impact +>>in the bigs, especially when they haven't even played AAA ball. +> +>Yes. But this is *irrelevant*. You're talking about averages, when we +>have lots of information about THIS PLAYER IN PARTICULAR to base our +>decisions on. + +Do you really have *that* much information on him? Really? + +>Why isn't Lopez likely to hit that well? He hit that well last year (after +>adjusting his stats for park and league and such); he hit better (on an +>absolute scale) than Olson or Berryhill did. By a lot. + +I don't know. You tell me. What percentage of players reach or +exceed their MLE's *in their rookie season*? We're talking about +1993, you know. + +> +>As for rushing... If there really is a qualitative difference between the +>minors and the majors that requires a period of adjustment (and I don't +>believe there is), then wouldn't you rather waste Lopez's 22-year old good +>season than his 23-year old very good season or his 24-year-old excellent +>season? The sooner you get him acclimated, the more of his prime you get to +>use. + +If that were your purpose, maybe. Offerman spent 1992 getting +acclimated, if you will. The Dodgers as a team paid a big price +that season. Perhaps they will reap the benefits down the road. +Do you really think they would have done what they did if they +were competing for a pennant? + +> +>>>Lopez was hitting .588 over 17 AB when he was cut from spring +>>>training. What does he have to do to earn a chance? Maybe not a full +>>>time job, but at least a couple starts and a few AB for him to prove +>>>his worth? +>> +>The point was not that 17 AB is a significant sample, but rather that he +>hadn't done anything in spring training to cause even a blockhead manager +>to question whether his minor league numbers were for real, or to send him +>down ""until he gets warmed up"". + +For a stat-head, I'm amazed that you put any credence in spring +training. Did you notice who he got those 10 (!) hits off of, or +are you going to tell me that it doesn't make a difference? + +>>The kid *will* improve playing at AAA, +> +>Just like Keith Mitchell did? + +Wait a minute. I missed something here. First, forget Keith +Mitchell. Are you saying that a kid who moves from AA to AAA +and then does not improve would have been better off making a +direct leap to the majors? If a player does well at AA and then +does not improve at AAA, isn't that a sign that maybe he doesn't +belong in the bigs? + +Now, Keith Mitchell. As I recall (no stat books handy - surprise!) +he jumped from AA to Atlanta in 1991. He did so well that he was +returned to the minors, where he didn't do very well at all. Now +his career is in jeopardy. So how does he fit in with your +point. Good MLE's in AA. Moved him right to the big club. Now +he's one step away from being traded or moved out of baseball. +Duh. + + +>That was me, and you so far your only counter-proposal is that they +>really don't understand how good Lopez is, or overvalue experience, +>or some combination of the two. I think my interpretation was more +>flattering to the organization. + +Well, I've cast my lot. Certainly you may understand better how +good Lopez is. And I may overvalue experience. But neither one +of us runs a baseball team. + + + +-- The Beastmaster + + +-- +Mark Singer +mss@netcom.com +",9 +6288,"From: caine@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lord Vader) +Subject: Trivia: the Habs? +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 7 + + +OK, I'm sure that this has been asked 100's of times before, but I +have wondered since I heard it... Where the hell did the nickname +of the ""Habs"" come from for the Montreal Canadiens? + +Thanks in advance, +Caine Schneider +",10 +3900,"From: paschal@tscs.com (Charles O. Paschal) +Subject: Novell 2.0a/3.11 +Organization: Total Support Computer Systems, Tampa, Florida +Lines: 10 + +I have a novell 2.0a that I will sell for $692 which can be upgraded to 3.11 +for $460. The novell has complete documentation but no network cards except +the ID card. + + +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Charles Paschal - Total Support Computer Systems - Tampa - (813) 876-5990 +UUCP: paschal@tscs FAX: (813) 871-2783 +US-MAIL: Post Office Box 15395 - Tampa, Florida 33684-5395 +",6 +8827,"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) +Subject: Re: Revelations +Organization: Florida State University +Lines: 11 + +hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes: + +> Biblical prophecy tends to be somewhat cyclical. For example, the virgin +> prophecy of Isaiah also prophecied of Christ. How does this apply to the +> book of Revelation in regard to the perterist view? + +Much of the OT prophecies have a double application: to the Jewish +captivity, and to the end of time. But if Rev. is dated at AD96 its +prophecies could not apply to the AD70 destructioin of Jerusalem. + +Darius +",15 +2729,"From: tjacobs@bvsd.Co.EDU (S. Tyler Jacobs) +Subject: Centris610 problem. +Nntp-Posting-Host: bvsd.co.edu +Organization: Boulder Valley School District +Lines: 10 + +The problem is this: +After starting up my machine it gives a high pitched sound once at the desktop also it only does it when the mouse is up or a menu is not showing. + +as if I click the mouse the noise goes away for the amount of time the mouse is down. also this problem only happens for about 5-10 minutes. + +please let me know if you know what this is, it sounds like it is coming form the power supply. +Please Post here and Email me: +tjacobs@bvsd.co.edu +Thanks! + +",4 +9458,"From: mjp@austin.ibm.com (Michael Phelps) +Subject: Re: Non-lethal alternatives to handguns? +Originator: mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com +Reply-To: mjp@vnet.ibm.com (Michael J. Phelps) +Organization: IBM Kingston NY +Keywords: handgun mace pepper-spray taser tasp phaser +Lines: 27 + + +holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: +|> What about guns with non-lethal bullets, like rubber or plastic bullets. +|> Would those work very well in stopping an attack? +|> +|> Doug Holland + + Any projectile traveling at or near typical bullet speeds is potentially +lethal. Even blanks [which have no projectile] can cause death if the +muzzle is in close proximity to the victim. I have heard of rubber or +plastic bullets being used effectively during riot situations [where the +intent is crowd control, rather than close range self defense]; i've also +seen reports of deaths caused by them [the British in Northern Ireland]. + Use of a firearm for self defense is appropriate and lawful only in the +gravest of situations; at that point, i consider deadly [lethal] force to +be a proper reaction [and so does the law]. + Furthermore, use of less effective [but still potentially lethal] force +has its own set of problems. It may well take more applications of the +less effective force to stop the incident; this places all parties at some +risk; the victim because the attack has not stopped, and the assailent +since the aggregate damage done by the multiple applications may well be +more deadly. + +-- +Michael Phelps, (external) mjp@vnet.ibm.com .. + (internal) mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com .. mjp at kgnvmy + (and last but not least a disclaimer) These opinions are mine.. +",16 +10872,"From: paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann) +Subject: Re: Top Ten Excuses for Slick Willie's Record-Setting Disapproval Rati +Organization: HSH Associates +Lines: 26 + +In article <2671@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) writes: +> shapiro@sofbas.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro) writes: +> : +> : Oh, and BTW, its William Jefferson Blythe Clinton. +> : +> : Regards, +> : Steve. +> +> +> No, it's not- and I really fail to understand the use of that name +> as an insult. Do you feel that being adopted implies some sort of +> moral failing? + +Yes, it is -- you could look it up. And spare us the thin-skinned +indignation, please; what's sauce for four years of using George Herbert +Walker Bush and J. Danforth Quayle as an insult is sauce for William +Jefferson Blythe Clinton. Do you feel that calling a President by his full +name implies some sort of disrespect? Hint: this is a rhetorical question. + +------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ + +Paul Havemann (Internet: paul@hsh.com) + + * They're not just opinions -- they're caffeine for the brain! * + ** (Up to 50 milligrams per cynical observation.) ** + Recommended Minimum Daily Requirement: 1,000 mg. Keep reading. +",18 +6430,"From: clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) +Subject: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption +Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology +Distribution: na +Lines: 282 + + +Note: This file will also be available via anonymous file +transfer from csrc.ncsl.nist.gov in directory /pub/nistnews and +via the NIST Computer Security BBS at 301-948-5717. + --------------------------------------------------- + + THE WHITE HOUSE + + Office of the Press Secretary + +_________________________________________________________________ + +For Immediate Release April 16, 1993 + + + STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY + + +The President today announced a new initiative that will bring +the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary +program to improve the security and privacy of telephone +communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law +enforcement. + +The initiative will involve the creation of new products to +accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure +telecommunications networks and wireless communications links. + +For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our +private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the +tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of +protecting Americans. Rather than use technology to accommodate +the sometimes competing interests of economic growth, privacy and +law enforcement, previous policies have pitted government against +industry and the rights of privacy against law enforcement. + +Sophisticated encryption technology has been used for years to +protect electronic funds transfer. It is now being used to +protect electronic mail and computer files. While encryption +technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the +unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used +by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals. + +A state-of-the-art microcircuit called the ""Clipper Chip"" has +been developed by government engineers. The chip represents a +new approach to encryption technology. It can be used in new, +relatively inexpensive encryption devices that can be attached to +an ordinary telephone. It scrambles telephone communications +using an encryption algorithm that is more powerful than many in +commercial use today. + +This new technology will help companies protect proprietary +information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations +and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted +electronically. At the same time this technology preserves the +ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to +intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals. + +A ""key-escrow"" system will be established to ensure that the +""Clipper Chip"" is used to protect the privacy of law-abiding +Americans. Each device containing the chip will have two unique + + + 2 + + +""keys,"" numbers that will be needed by authorized government +agencies to decode messages encoded by the device. When the +device is manufactured, the two keys will be deposited separately +in two ""key-escrow"" data bases that will be established by the +Attorney General. Access to these keys will be limited to +government officials with legal authorization to conduct a +wiretap. + +The ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with no +new authorities to access the content of the private +conversations of Americans. + +To demonstrate the effectiveness of this new technology, the +Attorney General will soon purchase several thousand of the new +devices. In addition, respected experts from outside the +government will be offered access to the confidential details of +the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report +their findings. + +The chip is an important step in addressing the problem of +encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the +privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield +criminals and terrorists. We need the ""Clipper Chip"" and other +approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens with access +to the encryption they need and prevent criminals from using it +to hide their illegal activities. In order to assess technology +trends and explore new approaches (like the key-escrow system), +the President has directed government agencies to develop a +comprehensive policy on encryption that accommodates: + + -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to + employ voice or data encryption for business purposes; + + -- the ability of authorized officials to access telephone + calls and data, under proper court or other legal + order, when necessary to protect our citizens; + + -- the effective and timely use of the most modern + technology to build the National Information + Infrastructure needed to promote economic growth and + the competitiveness of American industry in the global + marketplace; and + + -- the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export + high technology products. + +The President has directed early and frequent consultations with +affected industries, the Congress and groups that advocate the +privacy rights of individuals as policy options are developed. + + + + 3 + +The Administration is committed to working with the private +sector to spur the development of a National Information +Infrastructure which will use new telecommunications and computer +technologies to give Americans unprecedented access to +information. This infrastructure of high-speed networks +(""information superhighways"") will transmit video, images, HDTV +programming, and huge data files as easily as today's telephone +system transmits voice. + +Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important +role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act +quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding +its use. The Administration is committed to policies that +protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting +them from those who break the law. + +Further information is provided in an accompanying fact sheet. +The provisions of the President's directive to acquire the new +encryption technology are also available. + +For additional details, call Mat Heyman, National Institute of +Standards and Technology, (301) 975-2758. + +--------------------------------- + + +QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S +TELECOMMUNICATIONS INITIATIVE + + + + +Q: Does this approach expand the authority of government + agencies to listen in on phone conversations? + +A: No. ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with + no new authorities to access the content of the private + conversations of Americans. + +Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on + a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation + encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to + decipher the message? + +A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a + court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. They + would then present documentation of this authorization to + the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and + obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug + smugglers. The key is split into two parts, which are + stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key + escrow system. + +Q: Who will run the key-escrow data banks? + +A: The two key-escrow data banks will be run by two independent + entities. At this point, the Department of Justice and the + Administration have yet to determine which agencies will + oversee the key-escrow data banks. + +Q: How strong is the security in the device? How can I be sure + how strong the security is? + +A: This system is more secure than many other voice encryption + systems readily available today. While the algorithm will + remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow + system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of + cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all + potential users that there are no unrecognized + vulnerabilities. + +Q: Whose decision was it to propose this product? + +A: The National Security Council, the Justice Department, the + Commerce Department, and other key agencies were involved in + this decision. This approach has been endorsed by the + President, the Vice President, and appropriate Cabinet + officials. + +Q: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry? + +A: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on + encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify + as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have + briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the + decisions related to this initiative. + +Q: Will the government provide the hardware to manufacturers? + +A: The government designed and developed the key access + encryption microcircuits, but it is not providing the + microcircuits to product manufacturers. Product + manufacturers can acquire the microcircuits from the chip + manufacturer that produces them. + +Q: Who provides the ""Clipper Chip""? + +A: Mykotronx programs it at their facility in Torrance, + California, and will sell the chip to encryption device + manufacturers. The programming function could be licensed + to other vendors in the future. + +Q: How do I buy one of these encryption devices? + +A: We expect several manufacturers to consider incorporating + the ""Clipper Chip"" into their devices. + +Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological + solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be + willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more + powerful encryption devices? + +A: This is a fundamental policy question which will be + considered during the broad policy review. The key escrow + mechanism will provide Americans with an encryption product + that is more secure, more convenient, and less expensive + than others readily available today, but it is just one + piece of what must be the comprehensive approach to + encryption technology, which the Administration is + developing. + + The Administration is not saying, ""since encryption + threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, + we will prohibit it outright"" (as some countries have + effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that ""every + American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an + unbreakable commercial encryption product."" There is a + false ""tension"" created in the assessment that this issue is + an ""either-or"" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be, + and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, + balanced approach such as is proposed with the ""Clipper + Chip"" and similar encryption techniques. + +Q: What does this decision indicate about how the Clinton + Administration's policy toward encryption will differ from + that of the Bush Administration? + +A: It indicates that we understand the importance of encryption + technology in telecommunications and computing and are + committed to working with industry and public-interest + groups to find innovative ways to protect Americans' + privacy, help businesses to compete, and ensure that law + enforcement agencies have the tools they need to fight crime + and terrorism. + +Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use + the government hardware? + +A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control + requirements. Case-by-case review for each export is + required to ensure appropriate use of these devices. The + same is true for other encryption devices. One of the + attractions of this technology is the protection it can give + to U.S. companies operating at home and abroad. With this + in mind, we expect export licenses will be granted on a + case-by-case basis for U.S. companies seeking to use these + devices to secure their own communications abroad. We plan + to review the possibility of permitting wider exportability + of these products. + + + +",11 +5925,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) +Subject: Re: For sale; Edmonton Oilers. +Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department +Lines: 31 + +In article mbevan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Bevan) writes: +> +>He was already offered $65 million for them from Northlands Coliseum +>but refused the offer.... I don't think he is going to sale. I think he +>may decide to move the team to the States though where he can draw +>more revenue from the team. +> + +Pocklington just wanted to wake up the powers that be holding political +office, in Northlands, and in the business community that the Oilers +with their current lease arrangement are in a state where on a yearly +basis they will likely have an operating loss based on ""normal"" hockey +revenues and expenses. That he did this was a good thing...it is better +he complain early, and make the city aware of a potential looming crisis +before he begins to lose millions and millions of dollars...which would +truly jeopardize the franchise. + +Pocklington's first option is not to sell or to move, but to sell +a minority share of the team (to realize some of the appreciated value +of the team) and to get a better arena deal, either in Northlands, or +via a new building. Pocklington probably isn't going to get exactly +what he wants...but ultimately he will probably get enough, or will +sell to someone who will probably get enough. + +There are a lot of risks in moving a team also... + +...one has to remember ""Peter Puck's principle""...it is better to +spend other people's money than one's own if at all possible. + +Gerald + +",10 +7335,"From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) +Subject: Re: subliminal message flashing on TV +Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm +Lines: 19 +NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov + +In article <7480237@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes: +>> Hi. I was doing research on subliminal suggestion for a psychology +>> paper, and I read that one researcher flashed hidden messages on the +>> TV screen at 1/200ths of a second. Is that possible? I thought the +>> maximum rate the TV was even capable of displaying images was 1/30th +>> of a second. (or 1/60th of a second for an image composed of only odd +>> or even scan lines) +> +>You are correct; the fastest ""complete"" image that could be presented on +>TV would be one field, which is 1/60 of a second (approximately). Of course, +>the phrase ""TV screen"" is often thrown around in reference to any CRT +>display, so perhaps this researcher wasn't using normal TV rates. Might +>even be a vector (""strokewriter"") display, in which case the lower limit +>on image time is anyone's guess (and is probably phosphor-persistence limited). + +Actually, a lot of this work used to be done with a CRT that had a beamsplitter +mounted in front, and a tachistoscope driving it. The tachistoscope is really +just a slide projector with a very fast shutter. Low tech, but it does the job. +--scott +",12 +4607,"From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) +Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!! +Article-I.D.: usenet.1pqhvu$go8 +Reply-To: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 22 +NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu + + +In a previous article, svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) says: + +>In article <1993Apr2.163021.17074@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes: +>| +>|Wait a minute here, Ed is Noemi AND Satan? Wow, and he seemed like such +>|a nice boy at RCR I too. +> +>And Noemi makes me think of ""cuddle"", not ""KotL"". +> + + You talking bout the same Noemi I know? She makes me think of big bore +hand guns and extreme weirdness. This babe rode a CSR300 across the desert! And +a borrowed XL100 on the Death Ride. Don't fuck with her man, your making a big +mistake. + + + +-- +Go fast. Take chances. + + Mike S. +",8 +10549,"From: mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu +Subject: SECRET PURPOSE OF FALKLANDS WAR +Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire +Lines: 918 + + + +SECRET PURPOSE OF FALKLANDS WAR; [with IN-VISIBILITY Technology] + +Dr. Beter AUDIO LETTER #74 of 80 + +Digitized by Jon Volkoff, mail address eidetics@cerf.net + +""AUDIO LETTER(R)"" is a registered trademark of Audio Books, +Inc., a Texas corporation, which originally produced this tape +recording. Reproduced under open license granted by Audio +Books, Inc. + +----------------------------------------------------------------- + +This is the Dr. Beter AUDIO LETTER(R), 1629 K St. NW, Washington, +DC 20006. + + Hello, my friends, this is Dr. Beter. Today is April 30, +1982, and this is my AUDIO LETTER(R) No. 74. + + It's now been almost one month since war broke out in the South +Atlantic. On the surface it seems that it's only a dispute +between Argentina and Great Britain over the barren, wind-swept +Falkland Islands and South Georgia Island. In reality, it's far +more than that. + + The so-called Falklands crisis is just the visible tip of a +giant military operation. During this month of April 1982, +fierce naval battles have taken place--not only in the South +Atlantic but also in the South Pacific. Up to now most of the +hostilities have been kept under wraps by wartime censorship on +all sides. But as I say these words, the naval war in the +Southern Hemisphere is about to come to the surface. + + Beginning today, April 30, a total naval and air blockade of +the Falklands by the Royal Navy has begun. At the same time a +counterblockade has been declared by Argentina in the same area. + + To be effective, a blockade must be imposed over a period of +time, but the Royal Navy does not have that much time. Winter is +coming on in the South Atlantic, and the British supply lines are +overextended. Having come this far, Her Majesty's navy cannot +simply drop the blockade and sail away in a few weeks time +without drawing blood from Argentina. As a result the British +will be forced to undertake military operations very soon no +matter how risky they may be. + + There is also another reason why the Royal Navy now has no +choice but to engage the Argentine forces in combat. That +reason, my friends, is that the Royal Navy has already suffered +losses in secret combat this month. Up to this moment there will +be no way to explain away the damage which has been sustained by +the British fleet. Only when publicly admitted fighting erupts +will the British dare to admit that they have suffered battle +losses. To obtain that cover story, the British have no choice +but to sail into combat; but in doing so, they will be risking +even heavier losses on top of those already sustained. In short, +my friends, Her Majesty's navy has sailed into a trap. + + The events now unfolding in the South Atlantic carry strange, +ironic echoes of the past. For weeks now we've been hearing +countless commentators referring to the British task force as an +""armada"" (quote). The British of all people ought to be very +uneasy with that description. The original Spanish Armada 400 +years ago was renowned as a seemingly invincible fighting force, +but it came to grief in a naval disaster so complete that it +changed the course of history--and it was none other than the +English navy that destroyed the Spanish Armada. + + The original Spanish Armada put to sea in 1588 during the +reign of England's Queen Elizabeth I. The Armada was an invasion +fleet carrying thousands of crack fighting men to invade England. +They were met by the daring sea dogs of Sir Francis Drake. Drake +and his small, fast ships turned the tables on the Spanish Armada +by changing the rules of battle. The English fleet was equipped +with new longer-range guns, and it stayed upwind and out of +reach. From there the English pounded, smashed, and shattered +the big ships of the mighty Armada. When it was all over, barely +half the Spanish fleet was left to limp back to port. Drake's +defeat of the Spanish Armada was a shock to the world. It opened +the door for England under Queen Elizabeth I to start its +expansion into a truly global empire. + + Today, 400 years later, history seems to have come full +circle. Queen Elizabeth II is witnessing the dismantling of the +world empire whose heyday began under Queen Elizabeth I, and now +the cultures of England and of Spain are once again in +confrontation. Once again a so-called armada is preparing for +invasion, but this time the armada is British, not Spanish. Four +hundred years ago Sir Francis Drake was the hero of the day; +today, the ghost of Francis Drake is once again on the scene. + + The South Atlantic war zone is at the eastern end of the Drake +Passage around the southern tip of South America. The defeat of +the Spanish Armada four centuries ago broke the back of Spain's +naval supremacy, and now the defeat of the new British armada may +well break the back of what remains of the once glorious Royal +Navy. + + My three special topics for this AUDIO LETTER are: + +Topic #1--THE MILITARY SECRET OF SOUTH GEORGIA ISLAND +Topic #2--THE SECRET NAVAL WAR OF THE SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE +Topic #3--THE ROCKEFELLER FEAR CAMPAIGN AGAINST NUCLEAR WAR. + +Topic #1--When the Falkland Islands crisis began early this month +it looked at first like a tempest in a teapot. For a century and +a half since 1833, the Islands have been controlled by Great +Britain. During that entire time, British sovereignty over the +Falklands has been disputed by Argentina. There have been +countless threats by Argentina to seize the Islands, which it +calls the Malvinas, but the threats have always come to nothing +in the past and Britain has never even gotten very worried about +them. + + The Islands are four times as distant from Argentina as Cuba +is from the United States, and they are not much of a prize. +After 150 years of occupancy, the Falklands are home to fewer +than 2,000 British settlers and a lot of sheep. In short, the +remote Falkland Islands hardly look like something to fight over, +and yet here we are watching another crisis take place. We are +watching as war erupts between Great Britain and Argentina. + + The Thatcher government is acting as if it has forgotten all +about its usual preoccupation with the Soviet threat at NATO's +doorstep. Instead, Britain is throwing almost everything it's +got at Argentina---aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers, +submarines, assault ships--you name it. Luxury cruise ships have +even been commissioned and turned into troop carriers overnight. +Wave after wave of additional assault troops have been activated +and sent to join the fleet even after it sailed. Ships and +submarines have been pulled off station from normal NATO duty and +sent to reinforce the task force. The initial 40-ship force has +grown steadily over the past several weeks into an armada +numbering over 70. Over two-thirds of the entire Royal Navy has +already been deployed to the South Atlantic off Argentina. + + Watching all this, a lot of people are asking: What's this +fight really all about? The most popular answer suggested in the +major media is ""oil."" Vast deposits of oil are known to exist +under the continental shelf between Argentina and the Falklands, +but that has been known for nearly 10 years. In no way does it +explain the timing of the sudden military offensive by Argentina +this month, and oil explains even less about the Argentine +seizure of South Georgia Island. + + South Georgia Island is 800 miles east of the Falklands with +no known oil deposits anywhere near it; and compared to South +Georgia, the Falklands are an island paradise. South Georgia +Island is covered with rugged mountains, treacherous valleys, +glaciers, and semi-permanent snow. Most of it is uninhabitable. +On top of all that, Argentina has absolutely no legal or +historical claim to South Georgia Island. In that respect it +stands in sharp contrast to the Falklands. + + In the early 1830s the Falklands were occupied for a while by +Argentine colonists. In 1833 the British expelled them and took +over the Island. For that and other historical reasons, +Argentina argues that the Falklands really belong to Argentina, +not Britain. + + But no such argument is possible for South Georgia Island. It +has always been controlled by Britain, never by Argentina or +Spain. The Argentine seizure of South Georgia Island looks even +more unreasonable from a military point of view. Argentina's +leaders are military men and they think in military terms. They +were well aware ahead of time that far-off South Georgia Island +could not possibly be held for long. By seizing it they were +setting themselves up to absorb a military defeat, as the Island +was retaken by Britain. So the question is: Why did Argentina's +military junta bother with the seemingly worthless South Georgia +Island at all? + + My friends, the answers to all these questions are military, +not political or economic. South Georgia Island possesses an +enormous military secret. It's a giant underground installation +buried under the mountains at the northwest end of the Island. +The real reason for the so-called Falkland crisis is this secret +installation, together with two other similar installations which +I will describe shortly. + + The secret military complexes have been in existence for many +years; they are not new. What is new is the accelerated nuclear +war timetable of the American Bolshevik war planners here in +Washington. For the past two months I've been reporting the +details of this new war plan to you as quickly as I can obtain +and verify them. + + The plan calls for NUCLEAR WAR ONE to erupt by September of +this year 1982!! It is this fast-approaching nuclear war threat +that caused the so-called Falklands crisis to erupt now. + + What is going on now is a coordinated effort to spoil part of +the Bolshevik grand strategy for the coming nuclear war. The +mutual enemies of the American Bolsheviks here--namely, the +Rockefeller cartel--and Russia's new rulers in the Kremlin are +behind the present crisis. They are trying to ruin Phase #3 of +the ""PROJECT Z"" war plan which I revealed last month. That phase +is to be world domination by the American Bolsheviks after both +Russia and the United States have been destroyed in NUCLEAR WAR +ONE. As I mentioned last month, the key to this plan is the +existence of secret weapons stockpiles in various places around +the world. + + The American Bolshevik military planners here in America are +working with other Bolshevik agents in key military positions of +other countries to set off war. Having done that, they intend to +ride out the nuclear holocaust they have caused, safe and cozy in +Government war bunkers! When the warring nations finally lie +smoldering and exhausted, the Bolsheviks will leave the shattered +remains of their host countries. They will rendezvous at the +secret weapons installations and bring their weapons into the +open. They will confront the world with the only remaining +fresh, up-to-date, powerful military force on earth; and using +that military power, they will become the undisputed rulers of +the world--that is, they plan to do all this, and they plan to +pave the way for world domination very soon by setting off +NUCLEAR WAR ONE in a matter of months. The Rockefeller cartel +and Russia's new anti-Bolshevik rulers are working together in a +race against time to try to head off the Bolshevik war plan. + + Last month I mentioned that the Bolsheviks here are +benefitting from war preparations which were started by the +Rockefellers long ago. It has only been about three years since +the Rockefellers were dislodged as the prime movers of the United +States Government by the Bolsheviks. Since that time the United +States Government has been a house divided, torn by internal +power struggles between rival Bolshevik and Rockefeller factions. +But before that, the United States had been dominated for decades +both economically and politically by the Four Rockefeller +Brothers. + + In 1961 the Brothers launched a new long-range plan for world +domination. It was a two-prong strategy, half visible and half +secret, which I first described long ago in AUDIO LETTER No. 28. +It was a plan for the United States to arm to the teeth in secret +while appearing to disarm gradually. Without repeating all the +details, the basic idea was grandiose yet simple. By +deliberately appearing weak, the Rockefeller-controlled United +States would maneuver itself into a nuclear war with Russia. +Then the secret weapons, including superweapons, would be +unleashed to smash Russia and take over the world. + + When they set the grand plan in motion in 1961, the +Rockefeller Brothers were looking ahead to a nuclear war by the +late 1970s. Their military analysts concluded very early that +the war being planned would have very different effects on the +Northern and Southern Hemispheres. Both superpowers, the United +States and the Soviet Union, are located well up in the Northern +Hemisphere; so are the other full-fledged nuclear powers--Great +Britain, France, Red China, and India. By contrast, the +strategic targets for nuclear war in the Southern Hemisphere are +relatively few and far between. In other words, it was expected +that the coming nuclear war would be essentially a Northern +Hemisphere war. + + In an all-out nuclear holocaust it is known that serious +radioactive fallout will gradually spread to affect even areas +not initially hit by war. But there are limits to how far the +war clouds can spread. It was discovered long ago that there is +very little mixing between the air of the Northern and Southern +Hemispheres. In the northern half of our planet, cold air from +the North Pole works its way southward towards the equator, then +it works its way back to the north as warm air. A mirror image +of this process takes up the southern half of the planet. +Northern and Southern Hemisphere air meet in the equatorial zone, +but very little of the air changes places. + + The military conclusion, my friends, is this: the coming +nuclear war could ruin large areas of the Northern Hemisphere for +generations to come; but if the calculations are right, the +Southern Hemisphere could escape virtually unaffected by the war. +This was music to the ears of the Four Rockefeller Brothers. A +quick look at the globe of the world shows why. The Rockefeller +cartel has dominated Latin America ever since World War II. As I +discussed in my very first monthly AUDIO LETTER, Nelson +Rockefeller solidified the cartel grip on Latin America during +the war. He accomplished this as so-called ""Coordinator of +Hemispheric Defense"" for then-President Franklin D. Roosevelt. +So that takes care of the South American continent and its +natural resources. + + Then there is the African continent. There, too, Rockefeller +control was already in effect over wide areas of Black Africa, +especially south of the equator. All this was thanks to the +efforts of John D. Rockefeller III, as I detailed in AUDIO LETTER +No. 36. + + Looking around the globe, the most important remaining land +masses from the standpoint of world domination are Australia and +New Zealand. Thanks to World War II, both were wide open to the +Rockefellers. + + The Rockefeller Brothers decided to establish secret military +installations in the Southern Hemisphere for use after the coming +war. By this means they expected to become the masters of the +surviving southern half of planet Earth after the Northern +Hemisphere war. Then, as the Northern Hemisphere gradually +recovered from the nuclear holocaust, the Rockefeller empire +would be able to pick up the pieces. In this way the third +generation Rockefeller Brothers expected their family dynasty to +inherit the Earth. + + In order to control the Southern Hemisphere militarily after +the war, some means would have to be available to project +military power onto any land mass. For example, revolts against +Rockefeller domination would require troops--not a blast from the +beam weapons on the Moon. The most critical factor for postwar +military domination of the world was found to be a navy. A +minimum of two secret naval fleets would be required--one based +in the South Atlantic, the other in the South Pacific. Since the +reserve naval fleets were to be kept secret until after the +Northern Hemisphere nuclear war, they could not be built in +existing shipyards. New construction facilities had to be built +and they had to be hidden. To hide an entire shipyard is no +small task; they take up a lot of space. On top of that, it was +essential that the ships remain hidden after they were built. +The best way to achieve that was to combine the shipyard and +naval base into one over-all secret installation. Finally, the +secret naval installation had to be invulnerable to nuclear +attack; otherwise if its existence were ever discovered +prematurely, the secret navy might be wiped out. + + The combined requirements for secrecy, space, and protection +against attack were formidable; but one day in 1959, while all +these plans were still in the early stages of development, the +answer presented itself. During a so-called banking trip to +Sweden, David Rockefeller was given a tour of a unique hidden +naval port. The port is hollowed out from solid granite cliffs +which come right down to the water. The entrance to the port is +a gigantic hole in the side of the cliff which can be sealed off +with enormous steel doors. Inside this big doorway on the water +a huge cavity has been hollowed out to accommodate ships. + + The Rockefeller Brothers and their military adviser decided +that a bigger, more secret, better protected version of the +Swedish hidden port was just what they wanted. A survey of +candidate sites was then initiated. The site survey covered +coastal areas throughout the Southern Hemisphere. Many areas +were rejected very quickly because the topography was wrong. +Other areas were rejected because they were too close to the +equator. Still others had to be ruled out because there were too +many people living nearby, making the desired level of secrecy +impossible. Finally, it was essential that the sites chosen for +the secret naval installations be totally secure politically. + + At last the sites for the secret naval installations were +selected. In the South Pacific, extreme southern New Zealand was +selected. This is what I was alluding to in AUDIO LETTER No. 71 +three months ago when I called attention to New Zealand's extreme +importance in the coming war. + + In order to obtain the necessary space, the secret New Zealand +naval installation had to be divided up into two sites located +close together. One is at the extreme southwest tip of South +Island where the mountain range known as the Southern Alps comes +down virtually to the water's edge. The other part of the +installation is built into the northwest tip of Stewart Island, +which is off the tip of South Island. The Stewart Island +facility is hollowed out within a rise known as Mt. Anglem. + + The New Zealand location met all the requirements. Ever since +World War II the government of New Zealand has been tied even +closer to the United States than to Great Britain. The location +is far from the equator, and the installations are buried deep +under mountains, protected from nuclear attack. They are also +too deep to be reached by particle-beam attacks, and the New +Zealand site is well situated to command the entire South +Pacific. + + In the South Atlantic an even more perfect site was found. +That site, my friends, is South Georgia Island. It is located +perfectly for naval domination of the entire South Atlantic. The +tall, rugged mountains provided a perfect location for the secret +installation at the northwest tip of the 100-mile long island. +It is controlled by Great Britain whose government, like that of +New Zealand, was willing to cooperate; and South Georgia Island +was virtually uninhabited except for a whaling station on the +northeast coast. The whaling station was some 50 miles away from +the secret new installation which was being built, but Britain +took no chances. In 1965 the whaling station was closed down. +Since that time there have been no inhabitants on South Georgia +Island except for a few dozen alleged Antarctic scientists. + + Construction of the secret naval facilities--two in New +Zealand, one on South Georgia Island--began in the early 1960's. +The techniques were adapted from those used previously to build +other large underground facilities, such as the NORAD +installation inside Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado; however these +techniques were adapted in radically new ways to achieve +construction access directly from the sea instead of overland. +In this way, the sheltering mountain was left undisturbed in +appearance both during and after construction. + + The cuts in the mountain side which were necessary to let +ships in and out were kept as small as possible and were well +camouflaged. Like the Swedish hidden naval port arrangement, the +entrances to the secret installations can be sealed up. When +sealed, the entrance is virtually impossible to detect unless you +know exactly where it is; and unlike most large construction +projects, there are no tailings or piles of leftover rock lying +around to attract attention. The man-made caverns which house +the secret naval installations are enormous, but all the rock and +debris was disposed of at sea. + + Once the secret naval facilities were built, they had to be +outfitted for ship construction and docksite storage. The fake +disarmament of the United States during the 1960s contributed +greatly to this task. From 1961 to 1968 one man played a pivotal +role in this elaborate Rockefeller scheme. He was then-Secretary +of Defense Robert McNamara. All through the 60's McNamara +presided over the public paring back of America's visible +military power. This included the closing down and dismantling +of entire shipyards. What we were not told was where all that +shipyard equipment went afterwards. Where it went, my friends, +was to the new secret installations which were being outfitted in +New Zealand and South Georgia Island! + + The secret naval installations have been used as duplication +facilities to reproduce certain ships and submarines designed and +built here in the United States. As Defense Secretary Caspar +Weinberger told Congress recently, it is cheaper to build two +ships at a time. That is especially true if the second ship is +an exact duplicate of the first. This has become even more true +in recent years through the use of computerized manufacturing +techniques. + + The secret naval fleets which have been built at the secret +installations are made up of duplicates--exact duplicates of +certain other ships and submarines. They are all nuclear +powered--nuclear ""subs""; nuclear cruisers; nuclear destroyers; +and yes, nuclear aircraft carriers, three of them. A secret twin +was built for the U.S.S. Nimitz, for the U.S.S. Eisenhower, and +for the newly-launched U.S.S. Carl Vincent. All have been +financed through the gigantic cost overruns, so called, that we +constantly hear about in the Defense Department; and all three +carriers have been provided with a full complement of aircraft +whose manufacture was financed the same way! + + The ships of the secret American Bolshevik naval fleets are +all duplicates of other nuclear-powered vessels. Even so, the +secret naval ships possess one key difference. + + Last month I revealed that the so-called ""Stealth Program"" has +succeeded in developing a kind of electromagnetic invisibility +shield. This technique makes an object invisible from a distance +by distorting light waves in its vicinity. + + A whole new fleet of Phantom war-planes are now going into +crash production that use this principle; and, my friends, all of +the secret American Bolshevik navy ships have already been +outfitted with similar Stealth-field equipment! The Stealth +principle is actually easier to apply to ships than to airplanes +because there is more room for the powerful equipment that +generates the field. + + After NUCLEAR WAR ONE, the secret Stealth navy of the American +Bolsheviks would be light years ahead of any other navy left on +earth. It would be perfect for the intended role of world +domination. The Rockefellers set it all in motion long ago, my +friends, but three years ago they lost control of the United +States Military. Now it's the American Bolsheviks who are in +control, and they are bent on war. + + These secret naval installations have precipitated what is +being called the ""Falklands crisis."" + +Topic #2--In AUDIO LETTER(R) No. 73 last month I described +""PROJECT Z"", the new Bolshevik three-phase strategy for NUCLEAR +WAR ONE. + + An elite group of American Bolshevik military planners here +are flushing out the plan right now at a secret war-room here in +Washington. It's a plan by which the United States will strike +the first nuclear blow, followed by all-out thermonuclear war +with Russia. + + Having set off the holocaust, the Bolsheviks here and in +certain other countries plan to rise it out safe in comfortable +war bunkers. Finally after NUCLEAR WAR ONE fizzles out in +stalemate, they plan to leave behind the ashes of the United +States and her allies. Activating Phase #3 of their grand +strategy, they plan to unveil their secret weapons, especially +their secret naval fleets. With these they plan to conquer and +rule what is left of the world. The United States as we know it +will be dead and gone; but in the eyes of the Bolsheviks +themselves, this outcome will constitute victory. + + Up to now the nuclear war timetable which I first revealed two +months ago is still on track. They are still shooting for +nuclear war to begin by September of this year 1982! Time is +fast running out. + + The Bolsheviks here are sprinting as fast as they can toward +war; but, my friends, the Bolsheviks are not the only runners in +this race. They have two deadly enemies, both of whom are +equally determined to trip up the Bolsheviks. One enemy of the +Bolsheviks here is the Rockefeller cartel; the other enemy is the +new anti-Bolshevik ruling clique in Russia; and now these two +mutual enemies of the Bolsheviks are pooling their efforts in +certain ways. + + In AUDIO LETTER No. 71 three months ago I reported that a +limited, new anti-Bolshevik coalition was in the works between +the Rockefeller cartel and the Russians. The January 26 meeting +between Haig and Gromyko in Geneva, Switzerland, was a turning +point in the formation of this coalition. It is now a reality, +and is responsible for the so-called ""Falkland crisis"" now +dominating the headlines. It should be emphasized that this new +relationship between the Rockefeller cartel and Russia falls far +short of a true alliance. They have very major disputes to be +settled between them, but for the time being they have called a +truce between themselves to deal with their mutual deadly +enemy--the Bolsheviks here in America. + + The first priority of the Russians and the Rockefellers is to +slow down the Bolshevik preparations for imminent nuclear war. +If they can do that, time is on the side of the Rockefeller +cartel in certain political movements which I discussed last +summer in AUDIO LETTER No. 67. A slow-down in the nuclear war +timetable will also give more breathing space for additional +anti-Bolshevik actions to be implemented. + + The joint Rockefeller-Russian planners decided by mid-February +that military action against the Bolsheviks was essential very +quickly. No other type of action had any hope of taking effect +fast enough to prevent nuclear war by the end of this summer. + + The exact details of the ""PROJECT Z"" war plan are not known to +either the Rockefellers or the Russians, but the general outlines +are known to be as I described last month. + + It was decided that military action should be devised that +would undermine Phase #3 of the Bolshevik war plan--that is, the +Bolshevik-controlled secret naval installations and fleets in the +Southern Hemisphere should be attacked and crippled. By working +together, the Rockefeller cartel and the Russians were able to +devise an attack plan which neither could have carried out alone. +The Rockefeller group, who built and originally controlled these +bases, provided detailed Intelligence about the best way to +attack them. The Russians with their enormous military machine +provided the muscle to actually carry out the attack. + + It was essential to devise a scheme that would enable both +secret fleets in the South Atlantic and South Pacific to be +attacked. Survival intact of either fleet would leave the +Bolshevik war plan still workable. + + Military analysts concluded very quickly that a direct assault +on the New Zealand facilities was out of the question. There was +no combination of commandos, frogmen, or other military force +which could possibly keep an attack secret from the outside +world. Any attack on the New Zealand bases would set off the +very war which the Rockefellers and Russians want to prevent. + + But the situation in the South Atlantic was a different +matter. In a way, the greatest asset of South Georgia Island was +also its Achilles' heel. The extreme isolation which protected +the secrecy of the South Georgia base also made a covert military +assault feasible. The key lay with Argentina and her +long-standing claims to the Falkland Islands. + + As I mentioned in Topic #1, the Rockefeller cartel has +dominated all of Latin America for decades. Cartel operatives +were sent to Argentina to work out a deal with the government +military junta there. The historic dispute over the Falkland +Islands was to be used to provide a ruse, a military cover, to +enable the South Georgia base to be attacked. The Argentine +generals were not told everything about the situation by any +means, but they were told enough to make clear what they were to +do. + + As an inducement to cooperate, the Argentine leaders were +promised handsome rewards. They were guaranteed that after the +shooting was over, the Falkland Islands would remain in Argentine +hands. This guarantee included the promise of covert military +assistance as needed against the Royal Navy. And to bolster the +troubled Argentine economy, it was promised that the Rockefeller +cartel will help develop the immense offshore oil reserves. With +these combined promises of military glory and financial rewards, +the Argentine military junta agreed to the plan. + + On March 19 Argentina carried out Act #1 in the joint attack +plan. A group of Argentine scrap-metal merchants, of all things, +landed at the abandoned old whaling station on South Georgia +Island. Supposedly they were there to dismantle the old +buildings and cart them off to sell. While they were at it they +also raised the Argentine flag over the work-site. The British, +always nervous about South Georgia Island, promptly reacted as +expected. The British Antarctic survey ship ""Endurance"" put 22 +Marines ashore. They drove off the scrap merchants and tore down +the Argentine flag. + + The incident provided the desired excuse for the Argentine +Junta to bring the simmering 150-year-old Falklands dispute to a +boil. From time to time in the past, Argentina has claimed that +South Georgia is part of the Falklands because it is administered +that way by Britain. That argument is very flimsy but it now +came in very handy. It was nothing new to hear this from +Argentine leaders, so there was no hint of what was really afoot. + + During late March, Argentine military forces started +assembling for an assault on the Falklands. ""Nothing new"", +thought the British high command. Argentina has carried out +threatening maneuvers in the past many times. It was believed +that they were about to do it again; but on April 2 Argentine +forces did the unexpected. After many past false alarms, this +time they actually invaded and seized the Islands. All Argentine +public statements emphasized the long-standing historical claims +to the Falklands themselves; but just for good measure, the next +day a small Argentine force also seized far-off South Georgia +Island. The force was so small that it gave the appearance +initially that it was just a side show from Argentina's point of +view; however, the small contingent of 22 Royal Marines were +overpowered and bundled off the Island along with a group of 13 +alleged scientists. That was the moment of payoff in the joint +Rockefeller-Russian attack plan. + + Thanks to the elaborate distraction staged by the Argentine +forces, a special commando team got onto the Island undetected. +Based on the detailed Rockefeller information about the base, the +team moved to a location on the mountain directly above the +cavernous secret base. Special high-speed drilling equipment was +set up by the Rockefeller members of the team while the Russian +members concentrated on military defense. By late that evening, +April 3, the military high command in London finally learned what +was really taking place. The secret South Georgia base was under +attack by virtually the only means possible. The joint +Rockefeller-Russian team were drilling a shaft down through the +mountain toward the hollowed out cavern inside. It was only a +matter of time until their drill would break through the ceiling +of the giant hidden naval base. Once the hole was made, the next +step was obvious. The Rockefeller-Russian team would put a +weapon of some kind through the hole. The best guess was that it +would be a nerve gas. + + The shock waves that went through the highest levels of the +British government on the evening of April 3 can hardly be +described, my friends. The Thatcher government, like the +so-called Reagan Administration here in America, is Bolshevik +controlled. That's why Margaret Thatcher always says, ""Me, too"" +any time the Reagan Administration says or does anything against +Russia. Both governments are party to the secret nuclear war +plan in complete betrayal of the people of their respective +countries, and on the evening of April 3 they suddenly discovered +that their precious war plan was in deep, deep trouble. + + Immediately the Thatcher government started assembling a naval +armada to sail for the South Atlantic. Haste was the order of +the day. The drilling on South Georgia Island was proceeding +around the clock. The best estimates were that the drilling +would break through into the roof of the naval base in about +three weeks, on or about April 24. If help did not reach South +Georgia by then, the secret installation might be doomed. The +forces stationed at the installation itself were unable to defend +themselves under the circumstances. Their mighty naval ships +were ships in a bottle. They did not dare open the bottle to +sail out to fight because the Russian commandos were armed with +tactical and nuclear weapons. To open the blast-proof entrance +doors would be suicide. + + On April 5, just two days after South Georgia Island was +seized, some 40 naval ships began moving out of British ports. +The same day Lord Carrington was sacked as Foreign Minister. He +was forced to resign, my friends, because he had assisted the +Rockefeller attack plan by downplaying the Argentine attack +preparations. + + That same day, April 5, New Zealand, the home of the other +secret naval fleet, broke diplomatic relations with Argentina. +The two hidden New Zealand facilities had been placed on ""Red +Alert."" As a precautionary measure, all submarines at the twin +base were ordered to sea. Several surface ships were already at +sea undergoing ""sea trials"", but that still left seven (7) major +ships inside the hidden twin naval base including one of the +nuclear aircraft carriers I mentioned earlier. + + On that busy day of April 5, Argentina's Foreign Minister, +Costa Mendez, was at the United Nations in New York. He was +alarmed by the deployment of such a large part of the Royal Navy. +Costa Mendez hurried here to Washington to seek reassurances from +certain officials. He got them! + + For the next two weeks or so the news was filled with stories +about the allegedly slow movement of the British fleet while +negotiations went on. That, my friends, was only a cover story. +The Royal Navy was actually joining up and moving as rapidly as +possible toward South Georgia Island. If the task force arrived +in time to save the secret base, a major battle was likely. The +official stories about ""slow movement"" of the British armada were +intended to give a cushion of time for that battle. If need be, +the fleet would have several days to retake South Georgia Island, +then it could move on to arrive near the Falklands on the +announced schedule. In this way the crucial importance of South +Georgia Island would be hidden and the big secret preserved. + + It was initially expected that advance elements of the British +fleet would reach the vicinity of South Georgia Island within two +weeks. That would have been soon enough to attack the joint +Rockefeller-Russian commando team and stop the drilling before it +was completed. But Russian Cosmospheres and submarines made a +shambles of the plan. + + Key advance elements of the South Georgia attack contingent +left Ascension Island early April 14, two days before it was +announced officially. Shortly after they did so, they ran into +trouble. Russian Cosmospheres and attack submarines closed in on +a single ship which was critical to the planned counterassault on +South Georgia Island. The Cosmospheres bombarded the bridge and +combat information center of the ship with neutron radiation. In +moments the ship was without any command, its communications and +radar silenced. Then a Russian ""sub"" closed in and quickly +finished off this key British ship with torpedoes. It broke +apart with secondary explosions and sank rapidly. So far as is +known, there were no survivors. + + This unexpected shock in the mid-Atlantic produced two +results, both important: + +First, it caused a slowdown in the race toward the South Atlantic +by the British armada. The task force had to be regrouped into a +configuration better suited for an enroute defense, but that cost +valuable time. Public announcements from London about the +progress of the fleet reflected this slowdown. The timetable for +arrival on battle stations near the Falklands started stretching +out longer and longer. All this bought extra time for the joint +commando team on South Georgia Island. The drilling continued. + +The other result of the sinking was equally important. Word was +flashed to the South Pacific Stealth navy to prepare for possible +action. It was obvious that the Russian Navy was getting +involved in the Atlantic, which meant that the Royal Navy could +be in big trouble. During the dead of night, early April 15, the +seven Stealth ships put to sea from their twin secret bases in +southern New Zealand. They deployed to a secret operational +headquarters area in the Antipodes Islands, 450 miles southeast +of New Zealand. Their electromagnetic shields were operating to +provide protection from attack. These shields make it impossible +to communicate with the outside world or even to see it, as I +explained last month; but once they arrived at the Antipodes, the +Stealth ships hooked up to buoys equipped with shielded +communication cables to the Island headquarters. The Antipodes +headquarters, in turn, was in constant touch with the South +Georgia base by way of a transoceanic cable around the tip of +South America. The deployment of the available ships of the +South Pacific Stealth fleet was exactly what the joint +Rockefeller-Russian planners had hoped for. The ships had been +flushed out from their essentially invulnerable hiding place in +New Zealand! + + The British ship's sinking of April 14 was also followed by +other events. On April 15 the Argentine Navy started moving out +of port. The same day, Alexander Haig arrived again in Buenos +Aires. Supposedly he was there as a diplomat, but in reality he +was there as a General, dealing with Generals. Haig is the top +Governmental operative of the Rockefeller cartel, as I have +revealed in the past. He was making sure that the Argentines did +not get cold feet and back down at that critical moment. Four +days later, April 19, Haig left for Washington. As he boarded +his plane, Haig somberly told reporters, ""Time is running out."" +And so it was, my friends, for the secret South Georgia base. + + The very next day, April 20, the drill broke through into the +hollowed-out cavern of the naval base. Bolshevik military +analysts in London had not expected that it could be completed +until at least the following weekend. The British fleet was +still out of range. + + The weapon which the commando team inserted down through the +long hole was a small, compact Russian neutron bomb. When it was +detonated inside the confines of the huge artificial cave, the +effects were devastating. The intense radiation instantly killed +everyone inside the base. Also the heat and blast effects of the +bomb are believed to have damaged all the ships inside +sufficiently to badly disable them. + + Meanwhile, Russian Cosmospheres and submarines were converging +on the Stealth ships which were near the Antipodes Islands +awaiting orders. From a distance, the ships were invisible to +the eye due to their protective shields, which also protect +against beam-weapon attack; but they were sitting ducks for the +tactics which the Russians employed. + + Floating overhead, the Cosmospheres located the seven ships +using their Psychoenergetic Range-Finding equipment known as PRF. +As I have reported in the past, there is no method known by which +PRF can be jammed. The Cosmospheres radioed the exact locations +of the ships to the attack submarines. The ""subs"" were armed +with special non-homing, non-nuclear torpedoes designed to +explode on impact. More sophisticated torpedoes would have been +thrown off course or detonated prematurely by the protective +shield of each ship; but these simple torpedoes just cruise right +through each invisibility field to strike the ship and explode. +Within 15 minutes after the attack began, all seven Bolshevik +Stealth ships were on their way to the bottom, and with them went +their Bolshevik Commanders and mercenary crews collected from +around the world. + + The South Pacific action took place just after sunset local +time. The time here in Washington was around 2:00 P.M. April 23. +That evening Secretary of State Haig was seen briefly in public +with the new British Foreign Minister, Francis Pym. Pym was +wearing the artificial pseudo-smile which diplomats are taught +always to display in public. But not Haig. Haig was grinning +from ear to ear, and no wonder. The joint Rockefeller-Russian +military operation had been a brilliant success. The secret +Bolshevik South Atlantic fleet had been virtually wiped out, +bottled up inside South Georgia Island; and the South Pacific +fleet, while not totally wiped out, had been badly crippled. By +working together, the Rockefeller cartel and the Russians had won +the secret naval war of the Southern Hemisphere. + +Topic #3--As I say these words, news reports give the impression +that war is about to erupt in the South Atlantic, but the real +war in the Southern Hemisphere is already over. What we are +watching now is the beginning of its bloody aftermath. That +aftermath is the battle for the Falkland Islands. They have been +promised to Argentina as a reward for her role in the secret war. + + At this moment the Bolsheviks here in Washington are pressing +for a public announcement that the United States will side with +Britain. As soon as that takes place, military action will heat +up fast around the Falklands. Britain has no choice but to +fight. She has already suffered casualties which cannot be +explained without a public battle; but by fighting, the +Bolsheviks in Britain are running the risk of a humiliating and +tragic defeat for the Royal Navy. + + Meanwhile, the Rockefeller strategists here are now +concentrating on a fast-building, anti-nuclear-war campaign. On +all sides now we are hearing about the so-called ""nuclear freeze +movement."" There are documentaries, articles, publicity of all +kinds to sensitize us to the terrors of nuclear war. In recent +months, there have even been referenda popping up on election +ballots dealing with the nuclear war issue. Medical doctors are +banding together to warn the public about what would happen if +there were a nuclear war. + + We are being told that all this is just popping up +spontaneously. We are now 37 years into the nuclear age and +nothing like this has ever gained so much momentum before, yet +now we are supposed to believe that millions of Americans have +spontaneously gotten the same ideas at the same time. If you +believe that, my friends, I give up. Movements like this never, +and I mean never, develop without leadership, organization, and +money--and plenty of it. + + What we are watching is the Rockefeller public relations +machine at work. As I've explained in the past, the Rockefeller +cartel cannot afford to let a nuclear war take place. If it +does, they will lose everything because they are not in a +position to control it. Instead, the deadly enemies of the +Rockefeller cartel, the Bolsheviks here, will win out if there is +a war; and so the Rockefeller faction is now doing everything in +its power to prevent a nuclear war. + + The present anti-nuclear-war orientation of the Rockefeller +cartel creates certain temporary common interests between them +and Russia; but as Russia's new rulers know very well, this does +not spring from any great moral perspective on the part of the +Rockefeller group. It's purely a matter of practical necessity +right now for the Rockefellers. + + The Russians regard the United States as a house divided, and +they are exploiting that division by working in careful ways with +the Rockefellers. Their first priority is to rid the world of +the deadly Bolshevik menace of all-out, even suicidal, nuclear +war; but once that is done, they know that there will be a day of +reckoning with the Rockefeller cartel some day. + + The Rockefeller group is working toward a definite objective +with their new anti-nuclear-war propaganda. That objective is +renewed power--and power that moves them closer to their old +dream of WORLD GOVERNMENT. The Bolsheviks here have unwittingly +provided fertile ground for the powerful new Rockefeller antiwar +campaign. Under Bolshevik control, the so-called Reagan +Administration has become so hawkish that it's scaring people. +The Rockefeller antiwar campaign is designed to capitalize on +that latent fear as a tool of power. + + These days the smell of war is in the air. The Falklands +crisis is helping to make that more intense. The Rockefeller +propaganda machine is now paving the way for the argument that +surrender of sovereignty is the only way to avoid war. A new +super-United Nations of sorts is now in the works to fill the +bill. It will have teeth! As presently envisioned, the new +organization will be based in Geneva, Switzerland. The working +name, though this may be changed, is the ""World Nonproliferation +Council."" The plan is to bring it into being as the outgrowth of +nuclear nonproliferation treaties, but its true purpose will be +to use fear--the fear of war--to control us all. + + LAST MINUTE SUMMARY + + Now it's time for my Last Minute Summary. In this AUDIO +LETTER I have reported on the reasons behind the so-called +Falkland Islands crisis. The crisis erupted because of secret +Bolshevik-controlled naval installations in the Southern +Hemisphere. These have been attacked by joint action of the +Rockefeller cartel and the Russians in an attempt to slow down +the nuclear-war timetable. The attacks were successful, but the +results remain to be seen. One result, though, is that the Royal +Navy has now been drawn into a trap. Britain's Waterloo at sea +may well be at hand. + + My friends, two factions are struggling for control over our +United States--the Rockefeller cartel and the Bolsheviks. They +differ in style but both seek to control us through fear. If we +are ever to rise above their trickery, it must be through the +power of our Lord Jesus Christ, our only hope. As the Scripture +tells us, our Lord ""...has not given us the spirit of fear; but +of power, of love, and of a sound mind."" We must learn to wage +peace. As our Lord declared long ago, ""Blessed are the +peacemakers: for they shall be called sons of God."" + + Until next month, God willing, this is Dr. Beter. Thank you, +and may God bless each and every one of you. +",18 +2931,"From: rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) +Subject: Re: Motif vs. [Athena, etc.] +Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics/Australia Telescope National Facility +Lines: 38 + +In article , bambi@kirk.bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes) writes: +> +> >I am also concerned by this prevalence of Motif, particularly from the +> >point of view of writing and obtaining free software. As the Linux and +> >386BSD communities grow, however, I think that Motif will lose some of +> >its grip, at least in the non-commercial marketplace. +> +> Ports of Motif to both 386BSD and Linux are available for a fee of about +> $100. This is cost recovery for the person who bought the rights to +> redistribute. The activity in both the BSD and Linux news groups +> pertaining to Motif has been high. +> +> >I just wonder if this will also cause a divergence between commercial +> >and non-commercial software (ie. you will only get free software using +> >Athena or OpenLook widget sets, and only get commercial software using +> >the Motif widget sets). +> +> I can't see why. If just about every workstation will come with Motif +> by default and you can buy it for under $100 for the ""free"" UNIX +> platforms, I can't see this causing major problems. +> + + I think you will find that the active Linux and 386BSD communities are + populated by enthusiasts who would object to paying *any* money for software. + Otherwise, they would probably have gone for a commercial Unix. + An important factor in the Linux community is that source code is always + available (this is probably similar in the 386BSD community, however, I'm not + really involved there). Many people using Linux like to stay at the cutting + (bleeding) edge: ie. when kernel patches, C library or compiler patches come + out, people like to rebuild their entire systems. The prime requirement for + all Linux software is that it is available under a GNU style public license. + Hence, Linux software uses either the Athena widgets or XView. + Individuals may write software requiring Motif, but I doubt it is widely + adopted. + + Regards, + + Richard Gooch.... +",5 +4867,"From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) +Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!! +Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) +Distribution: usa +Lines: 29 + +In article <1993Apr14.133413.1499@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: +>In article bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes: +>>Bzzzzt. It was me. Until I discovered my SR250 Touring Bike has a +>>nifty little cache on it for things like coins or lipstick. The +>>new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick +>>in my jacket pocket. Life is _so_ hard. :-) +> +> Am I the only denizen who thinks that the Natural Look is the best +>look? The thought of kissing that waxy shit smeared all over a woman's lips +>is a definite turn-off... +So does clear lipstick/chapstick/etc. fit under the ""natural look"" or +the ""waxy shit"" category? I wear something on my lips to keep them from +drying out. Kissing dry, cracked, parched lips isn't too fun either. + +> Not that I'll ever be kissing Beth or Noemi... ;-) +Not if Tom has anything to say about it you won't! Noemi speaks for +herself. + +Beth + +================================================================= +Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon bethd@netcom.com +1981 Yamaha SR250 ""Excitable Girl"" DoD #0384 +1979 Yamaha SR500 ""Spike the Garage Rat"" FSSNOC #1843 +1992 Ducati 750SS AMA #631903 +1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project 1KQSPT = 1.8 +""I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."" + -- ZZ Top +================================================================= +",8 +7215,"From: bps@ektools.kodak.com (Bruce P. Sidari) +Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring.. +Organization: Eastman Kodak +Lines: 29 + +In article <1993Apr15.212629.1834@cmkrnl.com> jeh@cmkrnl.com writes: +>In article <1993Apr14.172145.27458@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>, crisp@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Russ Crisp) writes: +>> I'm considering modernizing some old wiring in my home, and +>> I need a little advice on outlet wiring. Several outlets +>> are the old 'two prong' type, without the ground. Naturally, +>> the wire feeding these outlets is 12/2, WITHOUT the ground +>> wire. I noticed at the fusebox that some circuits have the +>> 12/2 with ground, and that on these circuits, the ground +>> wire was tied to the same bus as the neutral (white) wire. +> +>They are supposed to be connected together at the breaker panel... but nowhere, +>repeat NOwhere, else. (Well, almost. There are strange exceptions for things +>like sub-panels.) +> +> +> --- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego CA +>Internet: jeh@cmkrnl.com Uucp: uunet!cmkrnl!jeh CIS: 74140,2055 +> + +Not even in sub panels! The only place the neutral should be connected to the +ground is in a SERVICE DISCONNECT! In your house the ""main"" panel serves as +the service disconnect. Sub panles in your garage or workshop for example must +maintain seperate neutral and ground busses because they are not service +disconnect equipment. + + +Steve Woodard, KD2KQ - not a licensed electrician, but I can read the NEC book. + (my brother is though) :) + +",12 +1188,"From: absgh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (G Hunt) +Subject: Windows for WorkGroups and LAN Workplace +Organization: School of Architecture, University of Bath, UK +Lines: 19 + +This may be a simple question but: + +We have a number of PC's which we use to link to a mainframe using +Novell LAN WorkPlace for DOS (via WIndows 3.1). +Now, to make life easier for us we are thinking of using Windows for +Workgroups to allow file sharing across our PC network. + +Now does anyone know if it is possible to use W4WG and Lan Workplace +for DOS at the same time. + +ie Can I access a file on another PC while being logged on to the +mainframe at the same time, simultaneously. + +Any help well appreciated. + +Gary Hunt. +Centre for Advanced Studies in Architecture +University of Bath +absgh@gdr.bath.ac.uk +",2 +6871,"From: sphughes@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Shaun P. Hughes) +Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography +Organization: San Francisco State University +Distribution: inet +Lines: 27 + +In article <1r3jgbINN35i@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> jgfoot@minerva.cis.yale.edu writes: +>Tarl Neustaedter (tarl@coyoacan.sw.stratus.com) wrote: +> +>: It means that the EFF's public stance is complicated with issues irrelevant +>: to the encryption issue per se. There may well be people who care about +>: the encryption issue who don't care to associate themselves with the +>: network erotica issue (or may even disagree with the EFF's position). +> +>Perhaps these encryption-only types would defend the digitized porn if it +>was posted encrypted? +> +>These issues are not as seperable as you maintain. +> + +Now why would anyone ""post"" anything encrypted? Encryption is only of +use between persons who know how to decrypt the data. + +And why should I care what other people look at? + +What does concern me is the continued erosion of my constitutional +rights. ( Amendments I, II, IV, and V to note a few. ) + +-- + Shaun P. Hughes ""Facts are Stupid Things."" + sphughes@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu Ronald Reagan + Republican National + Finger for PGP 2.2 Public Key Convention 1988 +",11 +5182,"From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) +Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect +Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing +Nntp-Posting-Host: binky +Lines: 8 + +In article , hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes: +> >duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each +> ^^^^^^ +> excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these. + +edu-breaths with more riceburner than brain... + +- Roid +",8 +6455,"From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) +Subject: Re: Re-inventing Crypto Policy? An EFF Statement +Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA +Lines: 18 +NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net + +In article <1993Apr16.204207.24564@eff.org> Danny Weitzner +writes: +>The 80-bit key will be divided between two escrow agents, each of whom +>hold 40-bits of each key. + +I somehow started to doubt technical competence of the +people who designed the system. Why on the Earth split the +80-bit key in 40-bit parts to keep them in escrow separately +(having 40 bit and large volumes of data voice links produce +it should be relatively easy to break it) when they simply +could keep 80-bit sequences in N (N>=2) independent places +and then XOR all the partial keys to get the actual key (N-1 +sequences should obviously be selected randomly and Nth is the +actual key XOR-ed with the random sequences). + +(Or is it a conspiracy? 1/2 :-) + +--vadim +",11 +4864,"From: jfriedl+@RI.CMU.EDU (Jeffrey Friedl) +Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc +Nntp-Posting-Host: hiroshima.rest.ri.cmu.edu +Reply-To: jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu +Organization: Omron Corporation / Carnegie Mellon +Lines: 28 + +egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes: +|> In article 34211@castle.ed.ac.uk, wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes: +|> >Ultra sticky labels printed with your +|> >favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead of +|> >wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the cage. +|> +|> An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the +|> thing over the driver's window, ""so they couldn't miss it."" A friend +|> damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by +|> the sticker. I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they +|> were assuming by pulling that stunt. + +(not that logic has anything to do with it, but...) +I can see the liability of putting stickers on the car while it was moving, +or something, but it's the BDI that chooses to start and then drive the car +in a known unsafe condition that would (seem to be) liable. Furthermore, they +would have had the last chance to avoid an unsafe situation, which is an +additional factor in attributing ""blame"". + +Anyway, stickers on the window are less effective... no one has any problem +taking a blade to a window to remove a stubborn sticker, but it's a different +story with that that nice paint job on the door.... + + *jeff* +-------------------------------------------------------------------- +Jeffrey E.F. Friedl Omron Corporation, Nagaokakyo (Kyoto), Japan +jfriedl@omron.co.jp, jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu [ DoD##4 N8XBK CBR250R ] +Visiting researcher to the Mach Project, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh +",8 +4304,"From: rkim@eecg.toronto.edu (Ryan Kim) +Subject: New break pads & exhausts after 96K km (60K mi) on '90 Maxima? +Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto +Lines: 43 + + +Hi, maybe someone can help me here... +I am looking to buy this 1990 Nissan Maxima GXE for CDN$14000 right now. +The car has 96000 km (or about 60000 miles) on it. +A typical mileage for 1990 cars seem to be about 70000 km (or about 43K mi). +The seller just informed me that when he brought the car in for certification +he was told that the front break pads and the exhausts had to be replaced +to meet the legal standards. (He said he will replace the components before +selling the car to me.) + +Being copmletely ignorant to the technical stuff on cars, I don't know +what this could mean... +Is 96K km about the time typical for replacing the above mentioned items? +Or is this an indication that the car was abused? +Would other things break down or have to be replaced soon? +The seller told me that he used the car on the highway a lot, but, +I don't know how to verify this... I've seen the paint chipped away +in tiny dots in the front edge of the hood, though. + +Although the Maxima is an excellent car and the car is very clean and +well kept, it's currently out of warranty +(a similarly priced '90 Accord with 70K km will have 2 years or 30K km +worth of warranty left) and I don't want to worry about paying for +any repair bills... +But, I also need a car for 5 people... + +When will the new Maxima come out, by the way? + +I would very much appreciate your input in this. +Please reply by e-mail (preferred) or post in this newsgroup. +Thanks! + +Ryan + + + +======== +Ryan Kim +University of Toronto, EECG, Computer Graphics rkim@eecg.toronto.edu +""Do not weave between traffic cones at road works."" + - from the new British Highway Code + (Toronto Star April 3, 1993) + +",7 +6839,"From: jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) +Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only +Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology +Lines: 37 +NNTP-Posting-Host: achates.mit.edu + +In article <1993Apr20.145338.14804@shearson.com> + pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes: + +[I wrote:] +>>The chip and algorithm are classified. If you reverse engineer it and +>>tell people, you are likely to go to jail. + +>Well, I'm not a lawyer, but from what I can tell this is completely +>and utterly untrue. + +>The U.S. does NOT have an official secrets act. We do have laws that +>will punish you for revealing what classified information you learned +>in your capacity as a government official, contractor, etc, and we +>have laws that prohibit stealing such information. However, if they +>sell you the chip, I can't see that they can make reverse engineering +>it and revealing the details illegal. + +In most cases information you come by properly is yours to use as you wish, +but there are certainly exceptions. If you write a paper which includes +sufficiently detailed information on how to build a nuclear weapon, it is +classified. As I understand the law, nuclear weapons design is +_automatically_ classified even if you do the work yourself. I believe you +are then not allowed to read your own paper. + +A less serious example: if you tell drivers about a speed trap they are +about to run into, you can be fined, even though you might argue that you +broke no law when you discovered the location of the policeman. The charge +is interfering with a police officer, which is quite similar what you would +be doing by reverse engineering the Clipper chip. + +Don't tell me that you think this violates the Constitution -- find some +court cases which have struck down such laws. Many people would not be +comforted by the fact that the government violated their rights when it +imprisoned them. + +-- + John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu) +",11 +2136,"From: jay@vitec.com (Jay Thompson) +Subject: DOS 6.0 +Organization: VITec +Lines: 16 + +I know of two people who have horrer stories about the DOS 6.0. +That's 100% of the people I know with DOS 6.0. Both have +had to reformat their disks and start over. One had drive D compress and work +fine, only to compress C: to have the thing choke, spit out an unintelligable +warning, and then hang. All that was left on either drive was autoexec.bat +and config.sys. Calls to Microsoft only met with busy signals. After reformatting +the drive, I'm not sure if he had the guts to reinstall 6.0 or stay with a known +entity. + +The other may have been a marginal drive, however, his upgrade failed, +he had to format a floppy disk at 6.0, format the drive, and then reinstall. + +I make now claims since I was not driving at the time, however, be careful +and make sure you back important things up. + +I am interested in any other people with similar or success stories..... +",3 +6280,"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) +Subject: Re: Thumbs WAY WAY WAY DOWN to ESPN +Keywords: Baseball, goddamn Baseball +Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu +Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) +Organization: PhDs In The Hall +Lines: 36 + +cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Charles Shub) writes: +>Tuesday, and the isles/caps game is going into overtime. +>what does ESPN do..... +> +>Tom Mees says, ""we are obligated to bring you baseball"" + +We're probably stuck, as Mike Burger pointed out that the baseball +deal was made far in advance of the NHL contract. WABC did the same +thing; they were thankful that the Devils were wiped out by 9:30, +because they had to switch over to Yankees baseball. The proof of +the reasons for this is left to the reader ... + +It's too bad, but I wonder if ESPN is stuck with other US local team +coverage for their alternate games? We got NESN's coverage of the +Bruins-Sabres with the Boston homers ... they were awful!!! I've read +that Derek Sanderson is the colour analyst ... I wonder if he spent +his early years after hockey as an intern at PRAVDA before landing +this job? *Everything* had to be twisted into something good to say +about the Bruin(s) involved ... not even Bill Wirtz's shills on SC +Chicago (Pat Foley, Dale Tallon) were this bad. And just to be fair, +SC used to take their feed from ESN (Empire Sports Network), the Sabre +homers and they were horrible too ... but they were spacy. + +From the CNN highlights, I hear Chris Cuthbert's voice from the CBC +coverage of the Habs-Nords series. Too bad that we couldn't get it +on ESPN, with all due respect to the Sabres and the Bruins. + +Mike Emrick is substituting on the Devils SCNY team for Gary Thorne. +Mike was the original Devils TV play-by-play announcer, by the way. + +gld +-- +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +Gary L. Dare +> gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! +> gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley +",10 +5689,"From: bm562@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard L. Trionfo) +Subject: Question about Candlestick +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) +Lines: 12 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu + + + I have tickets for the TB Giants and I was wondering if +anybody familiar with the stadium could tell me where +Section 15 in the lower level is located. + Please e-mail the response, + Thanks, + Rich +-- + ""You've read the hat, now see the movie."" + -Imus in the morning + ""A blurb? You're a blurb!"" + -Seinfeld +",9 +8386,"From: sugarman@ra.cs.umb.edu (Steven R. Garman) +Subject: WANTED - Optical Shaft Encoders for Telescope +Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.cs.umb.edu +Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston +Lines: 23 + + +[Also posted in misc.forsale.wanted,misc.wanted,ne.wanted,ny.wanted,nj.wanted] + +WANTED: Optical Shaft Encoders + +Quantity 2 +Single-ended +Incremental + +Needed to encode the movements of a 16"" Cassegrain telescope. The telescope +is in the observatory of the Univ. of Mass. at Boston. The project is being +managed by Mr. George Tucker, a graduate student at UMB. Please call him, or +email/call me, if you have one or two of the specified type of encoder. Of +course, due to our low funding level we are looking for a price that is +sufficiently lower than that given for new encoders. :) + +George Tucker +617-965-3408 + +ME: +-- +sugarman@cs.umb.edu | 6172876077 univ | 6177313637 home | Standard Disclaimer +Boston Massachusetts USA +",14 +4921,"From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) +Subject: Re: Aerostitch: 1- or 2-piece? +Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos +Distribution: rec +Lines: 28 + +In article <1993Apr14.144015.18175@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: +>Request for opinions: +> +>Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch? +> +> +>We're looking for more than ""Well, the 2-pc is more versatile, but the +>1-pc is better protection,..."" +> +>Thanks in advance, +>Nadine + +I would be scared of trying to fit the one piece. When I got my +two piece, I got the jacket in 42 and the pants in 40 (just due +to my manly-man of an athletic build, kind of thing) No laughing, +please. Seriously, I'm not trim and the 42 pants would have +been way too big. Also, I don't think the 1 piece does provide +better protection. If I'm wrong, I'll be swiftly if ever so gently +correct by the net.pansies.of.knowledge (as they like to call themselves). + +Regards +Jack Waters II +DoD#1919 + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +~ I don't fear the thief in the night. Its the one that comes in the ~ +~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about. ~ +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +",8 +8897,"From: king@ctron.com (John E. King) +Subject: Re: Eternity of Hell (was Re: Hell) +Organization: Cabletron Systems Inc. +Lines: 8 + +db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes: + +>And we also know that it is impossible to destroy the Soul. + +Hmmm. Here's food for thought: "" ...but rather be in fear of him +who can destroy both soul and body in gehenna."" Math 10:28 + +Jack +",15 +6102,"From: DMJEWLAL@CHEMICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Derrick M. Jewlal) +Subject: Re: plus minus stat +Lines: 45 +Organization: University of Waterloo + +In article <1993Apr14.174828.13445@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: +>From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) +>Subject: Re: plus minus stat +>Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 17:48:28 GMT +>In dreier@jacobi.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes: +> +>>Selanne's +7 leads the Jets; Teppo Numminen is +4. Who do you think +>>is better defensively? Ron Francis of the Penguins is +5, although he +>>has 97 points, while Jaromir Jagr has only 87 points but is +30. Is +>>Jagr really better on defense than Francis? And how exactly should we +>>interpret the fact that Mario Lemieux has by far the highest +/- in +>>the league? Does he get the Selke as well as the Ross? +> +>The plus/minus does not measure defense alone. It attempts to measure +>a player's total contribution to the team effort. And certainly, it +>is far from perfect and my posting never implied otherwise. All that +>my posting suggested was that the +/- was a better indicator of a +>player's effectiveness, when examined in the context of that player's +>team's performance, than mere scoring totals alone. And as for Mario +>getting the Selke - why not? After Doug Gilmour, I would rather have +>Lemieux on the ice in any situation (other than as an enforcer, obvi- +>ously) than any player in the game. I used to call the Selke the ""Bob +>Gainey Award"". It came about as a result of the statement made by +>Anatoli Tarasov: ""Bob Gainey is the best hockey player in the world."" +>I am sure that Tarasov was either misquoted, originally, or had a tiny +>bit too much Vodka and was toying with a reporter. In any event, the +>NHL decided to honour one dimensional checkers along with one dimen- +>sional scorers. Maybe the league should start awarding the ""Doug Gil- +>mour Award"" anually to the league's most effective, all-round player. +> +>cordially, as always, +> +>rm +> +>-- +>Roger Maynard +>maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca + + Hey, what about the ""Roger Maynard Award"" for the most + annoying fan....? +======================================================== +Derrick M. Jewlal +34 Laurel St. , Apt. #1 +Waterloo +747 4804 +",10 +3130,"From: pfuetz@igd.fhg.de (Matthias Pfuetzner) +Subject: Re: Available memory to the Xserver. How to get the actual size? +Reply-To: pfuetz@igd.fhg.de (Matthias Pfuetzner) +Organization: Zentrum fuer Graphische Datenverarbeitung, Darmstadt, FRG +Lines: 78 + +Hello! + +In article <1993Apr17.144246.29806@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, +mouse@mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) writes: +>In article <1965@igd.fhg.de>, pfuetz@igd.fhg.de (Matthias Pfuetzner) writes: +> +>> Is there a possibility to determine via X protocol calls the size of +>> free memory available to the Xserver? +> +>No. Even if you could, the answer could be out of date even before you +>get it (even if you grab the server, it could be taken up by buffering +>user actions). You should just try to do whatever you want; a BadAlloc +>error is your indication that insufficient server memory is available. +> +> der Mouse + +This isn't of much help! Especially when doing Phigs (PEX) via the libphigs as +supplied by MIT, I have much trouble together with PEX-terminals that don't +have enough memory! + +Performing the following: + + visual.visualid = CopyFromParent; + + bg_pix = WhitePixel( grafik_display, DefaultScreen( grafik_display ) ); + + xswa.backing_store = NotUseful; + xswa.event_mask = ExposureMask | StructureNotifyMask; + xswa.background_pixel = bg_pix; + + graphic_window = + XCreateWindow( graphic_display, + RootWindow( graphic_display, + DefaultScreen( graphic_display ) ), + 0, + 0, + DisplayWidth(graphic_display, + DefaultScreen( graphic_display ) ), + DisplayHeight(graphic_display, + DefaultScreen( graphic_display ) ), + (unsigned int)0, + 8, + InputOutput, + &visual, + CWEventMask | CWBackingStore | CWBackPixel, + &xswa ); + XMapWindow( graphic_display, graphic_window ); + + /** sync and wait for exposure event **/ + XSync( graphic_display, False ); + XWindowEvent( graphic_display, graphic_window, ExposureMask, &exposureEvent ); + + conn.display = graphic_display; + conn.drawable_id = graphic_window; + + xinfo.display = graphic_display; + xinfo.flags.no_monitor = 0; /* False -> Monitor is running! */ + xinfo.flags.force_client_SS = 0; /* False! */ + + popen_xphigs( NULL, 0, PXPHIGS_INFO_FLAGS_NO_MON | + PXPHIGS_INFO_FLAGS_CLIENT_SS | + PXPHIGS_INFO_DISPLAY, &xinfo ); + + popen_ws( 1, (Pconnid)(&conn), phigs_ws_type_x_drawable ); + +I get core dumps in the popen_ws call! (No BadAlloc, etc.! Simply a core +dump!) So I need some way of getting info about the maximal available memory +to the Xserver! + +But thanks! + +Sincerly, + Matthias +-- + Matthias Pfuetzner | @work: +49 6151 155-150 | @home: +49 6151 75717 + 6100 Darmstadt, FRG | ZGDV, Wilhelminenstrasse 7 | Lichtenbergstrasse 73 + pfuetzner@igd.fhg.de, pfuetzner@zgdvda.UUCP | Keith Packard said: + R5 is different from R4. That's why we changed the release number :-) +",5 +7984,"From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) +Subject: Re: seizures ( infantile spasms ) +Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire +Lines: 19 + +[reply to dufault@lftfld.enet.dec.com (MD)] + +>After many metabolic tests, body structure tests, and infection/virus +>tests the doctors still do not know quite what type of siezures he is +>having (although they do have alot of evidence that it is now pointing +>to infantile spasms ). This is where we stand right now....As I know +>now, these particular types of disorders are still not really well +>understood by the medical community. + +Infantile spasms have been well understood for quite some time now. You +are seeing a pediatric neurologist, aren't you? If not, I strongly +recommend it. There is a new anticonvulsant about to be released called +felbamate which may be particularly helpful for infantile spasms. As +for learning more about seizures, ask your doctor or his nurse about a +local support group. + +David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI +This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher +must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell +",13 +4194,"From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) +Subject: Re: Most bang for $13k +Organization: Lehigh University +Lines: 41 + +In article <1993Apr17.014638.56998@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (R +OBERT WILLIAM FUSI) writes: +>In article <23056.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us>, david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (D +a +>vid Bonds) writes: +>>In rec.autos, CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) writes: +>> I'd like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the +>> $13000 to 16,000 price range. I'm looking for a car with enough civility to b +e +>> driven every day, or even on long trips, but when I hit the gas, I want to fe +e +>l +>> +>>Take a look at a '91 Taurus SHO - they can be found for ~13k, and are the +>>ultimate in 4 door sports cars. Performance similar to a Mustang, but +>>quite civil and comfortable... Try to get a late model 91 for the better +>>shifter. +>> +>> +> +>>---- +>>The Cutting Edge BBS (cutting.hou.tx.us) A PCBoard 14.5a system +>>Houston, Texas, USA +1.713.466.1525 running uuPCB +> +>>Well, you could always go with a 5.0 Mustang LX with a pleasant V8, but the +>diamond star cars (Talon/Eclipse/Laser) put out 190 hp in the turbo models, +>and 195 hp in the AWD turbo models, These cars also have handling to match +>the muscle, and are civil in regular driving conditions, rather than having a +>harsh, stiff ride....The AWD Turbo is clearly the better choice of the two +>(because of all that torque steer on the front drive model), but you may have +>to go with a leftover or ""slightly"" used model for that price range....tough +>decision... +> +> Rob Fusi +> rwf2@lehigh.edu +> +>-- +> Car and Driver did a test with the same basic idea and chose the Ford Probe +GT (5sp of course) +> +-- +",7 +10744,"From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) +Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage +Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena +Lines: 11 +NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu + +Didn't the new study asked ""have you engaged in homosexual intercourse +within the last two years"" whereas Kinsey asked ""have you ever engaged +or thought about engaging in homosexual activity"". Sort of like the +difference between ""did you have yogurt this morning"" and ""are you +allergic to lactose"". + +-- + + -- Michal +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Impressive amounts of material can be accreted in this manner. +",18 +8332,"From: MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@rockwell.com (""RWTMS2::MUNIZB"") +Subject: Space Event near Los Angeles, CA +X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest +Organization: [via International Space University] +Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU +Distribution: sci +Lines: 55 + +Apologies if this gets posted twice, but I don't think the first one +made it. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- + FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: OASIS (310) 364-2290 + + 15 April 1993 Los Angeles, CA + + LOCAL NATIONAL SPACE SOCIETY CHAPTERS SPONSOR TALK BY L.A. + ADVOCATE OF LUNAR POWER SYSTEM AS ENERGY SOURCE FOR THE WORLD + + On April 21, the OASIS and Ventura County chapters of the National +Space Society will sponsor a talk by Lunar Power System (LPS) co- +inventor and vice-president of the LPS Coalition, Dr. Robert D. +Waldron. It will be held at 7:30 p.m. at the Rockwell Science +Center in Thousand Oaks, CA. + + Dr. Waldron is currently a Technical Specialist in Space +Materials Processing with the Space Systems Division of Rockwell +International in Downey, California. He is a recognized world +authority on lunar materials refinement. He has written or +coauthored more than 15 articles or reports on nonterrestrial +materials processing or utilization. Along with Dr. David +Criswell, Waldron invented the lunar/solar power system concept. + + Momentum is building for a coalition of entrepreneurs, legal +experts, and Soviet and U.S. scientists and engineers to build +the Lunar Power System, a pollution-free, energy source with a +potential to power the globe. + + For the past three years members of the coalition, nearly half +from California, have rejuvenated the commercial and scientific +concept of a solar power system based on the Moon. + + The LPS concept entails collecting solar energy on the lunar +surface and beaming the power to Earth as microwaves transmitted +through orbiting antennae. A mature LPS offers an enormous +source of clean, sustainable power to meet the Earth's ever +increasing demand using proven, basic technology. + + OASIS (Organization for the Advancement of Space +Industrialization) is the Greater Los Angeles chapter of the +National Space Society, which is an international non-profit +organization that promotes development of the space frontier. +The Ventura County chapter is based in Oxnard, CA. + + WHERE: Rockwell Science Center Auditorium, 1049 Camino + Dos Rios, Thousand Oaks, CA. + + DIRECTIONS: Ventura Freeway 101 to Thousand Oaks, exit onto + Lynn Road heading North (right turn from 101 + North, Left turn from 101 South), after about 1/2 + mile turn Left on Camino Dos Rios, after about 1/2 + mile make First Right into Rockwell after Camino + Colindo, Parking at Top of Hill to the Left + +",14 +3457,"From: bpang@tuba.calpoly.edu (Brennan Lawrence Pang) +Subject: Hard drives, etc... for sale +Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo +Lines: 35 + +HARD DRIVES: (all drives include manuals, warranty) +------------ +Fujitsu 1.2 GIGabyte SCSI hard drive +$1000 + +Quantum 240 MEG SCSI prodrive +$350 + +Fujitsu 90 MEG SCSI hard drive +$175 + +Apple ""zero footprint"" hard drive case with power supply +$75 + +ACCELLERATED VIDEO: +------------------- +Apple 8/24GC (accellerated) graphics card with software (init) +Millions of colors, FAST! +$700 + +HARDCOPY: +--------- +Apple Imagewriter II printer with spare print head (these aren't cheap) +$300 +FAX machine: 9600 baud with leather travel case and many other accessories +$200 + +To discuss the purchase of any of these items, call John at (408) 268-1769 +If you get the answering machine, please leave a message with your name and +phone number, letting me know which piece you are interested in. + +John +(408) 268-1769 + +DO NOT REPLY TO THIS ACCOUNT! +",6 +3501,"From: jrm@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.r.miller) +Subject: Humminbird Depth Sounder forsale +Keywords: sale depth +Article-I.D.: cbnews.1993Apr6.173100.11729 +Distribution: na +Organization: AT&T +Lines: 34 + + +Hi, + + I have a Humminbird HDR200 Depth Sounder for sale. It +has been used for 1 season on my sailboat. + + All parts are included as well as the installation +instructions. It is even packed in the original box it came in. There +is no damage to the unit or the transducer. In fact, the transducer +was mounted *inside* the hull in a piece of pipe glued to the hull. +So it led a ""sheltered"" life. The transducer can be mounted either inside +the hull as I did, or on the transom. It cannot be placed in a hole +drilled into your hull. + + It is fully waterproof and fits into a 2"" hole in a bulkhead +(that's where I had it installed) or into a standard dashboard on a +powerboat. It reads depth to 199' and has a backlit LCD display. It has +an adjustable shallow water alarm built in. + + I am changing out my instruments to another manufacturer that +outputs the NMEA 0183 information. This little depth sounder works fine +and is very stable. + + + It is usually priced as low as 130$ in some catalogs, I paid 150$. + + + The first 80$ takes it, or best offer. + + + + John R. Miller + + Catalina 22, #4909 ""Tinker Toy"" +",6 +10340,"From: ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) +Subject: Re: Desertification of the Negev +Originator: ahmeda@ice.mcrcim.mcgill.edu +Nntp-Posting-Host: ice.mcrcim.mcgill.edu +Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines +Lines: 23 + + +In article <1993Apr26.021105.25642@cs.brown.edu>, dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes: +|> This is nonsense. I lived in the Negev for many years and I can say +|> for sure that no Beduins were ""moved"" or harmed in any way. On the +|> contrary, their standard of living has climbed sharply; many of them +|> now live in rather nice, permanent houses, and own cars. There are +|> quite a few Beduin students in the Ben-Gurion university. There are +|> good, friendly relations between them and the rest of the population. +|> +|> All the Beduins I met would be rather surprised to read Mr. Davidson's +|> poster, I have to say. +|> +|> -Danny Keren. +|> + +It is nonsense, Danny, if you can refute it with proof. If you are citing your +experience then you should have been there in the 1940's (the article is +comparing the condition then with that now). + +Otherwise, it is you who is trying to change the facts. + +-Ahmed. +",17 +2923,"From: claes@polaris (Heinz-Josef Claes) +Subject: german keyboard, X11R5 and Sparc +Nntp-Posting-Host: polaris.informatik.uni-essen.de +Organization: Uni-Essen +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 8 + +I have a Sparc[12] with a german type 4 keyboard. +Has anybody a Patch for X11R5? + +Thanks in advance + +Heinz-Josef Claes +email: claes@tigger.turbo.uni-essen.de + +",5 +6823,"From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) +Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? +Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 +Lines: 35 + +In article <1r1f62$rh5@news.intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes: +>One thing that Clipper offers is interoperability, at a higher degree of +>security than we currently have in non-proprietary voice encryption systems. +>This means it will be cheaper than anyone's proprietary scheme, and easier to +>deploy. + +I may be an anarchist nutcase, but I wouldn't have frothed overmuch +had the government proposed a secure encryption standard. In fact, +if the NSA had come up with a privacy chip rather than a wiretap +chip, I would have been happy. They *could* have done this -- set +up an ANSI committee, picked a secure cryptosystem, defined a +protocol and interface, and said, ""Hey, start building them."" + +Instead we have a deliberately brain-dead version of a cryptosystem +that has not even been peer reviewed. Yes, the NSA owns some smart +people. But if they pulled a FEAL, well, AT&T is going to be left +with a lot of dud phones on its hands. + +>Perry said: +>> Someone please tell me what exactly we get in our social contract in +>> exchange for giving up our right to strong cryptography? +> +>Can you tell me where exactly we have given up that right? + +Heh heh. The government already gave it up for us. Remember in the +announcement they described this scheme as balancing the two +extremes of having no privacy and claiming that citizens had a +Constitutional right to encryption? + +So much for Clinton's support of the ""right of privacy"". + + PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail (void when prohibited) + Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu + + +",11 +8578,"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) +Subject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining. +Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow +Lines: 16 + +In article <1993Apr21.212202.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: +>Here is a way to get the commericial companies into space and mineral +>exploration. +>Basically get the eci-freaks to make it so hard to get the minerals on earth.. + +If raw materials where to cost enough that getting them from space would +be cost effective then the entire world economy would colapse long +before the space mines could be built. + + Allen + +-- ++---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | +| W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | ++----------------------55 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ +",14 +3083,"From: btaylor@mcl.bdm.com (Brent Taylor) +Subject: XDM & DECnet ? +Organization: BDM International, Inc. +Lines: 10 +NNTP-Posting-Host: jupiter.mcl.bdm.com + +Does XDM work with DECnet? I have an Ultrix machine running both TCP/IP +and DECnet. I have a number of X-terminals hanging off the Ultrix host also +running TCP/IP and DECnet. Presently I am using XDM for the login procedure +on the X-terminals using TCP/IP. Since XDM is basically just an X-windows +client, shouldn't I be able to run XDM on the DECnet protocol tower as well? + +My first inclination is that XDM is not your typical X client. It is making +TCP/IP specific socket calls. In this case the answer would be no; you can +not run XDM over DECnet. Is this right or not? Any feedback is appreciated. +Thanks. +",5 +4113,"From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) +Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired) +Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.214754.23608 +Distribution: na +Organization: The Ohio State University +Lines: 52 +Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu + +In article <1993Apr6.195710.24227@cs.tulane.edu> finnegan@navo.navy.mil writes: +>In article <1993Apr6.180456.17573@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes: +>|> In article <1993Apr06.133319.7008@metrics.com> tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes: +>|> >CHINTS@ISCS.NUS.SG writes: +>|> >> Here are ""another"" ten reasons why we should all love CR +>|> >> 10. Car salesmen love their new car buying service +>|> >> 2. And later on buying a CR ""idealized family sedan"" +>|> > +>|> >And my number 1: +>|> > +>|> >1. The spectacle of the religious fervour of the CR ""true believers"". +>|> +>|> Or the spectacle of ""Macho Real Men"" who would never bother to read the +>|> magazine but are more than apt to criticize it. +> +>Hey, I'm a ""Macho Real Man"" and I DO read it. So I can criticize +>it all I want, especially since I pay for the publication. (They +>accept no outside advertising, don't you know....) +> +>|> John Nielsen MAGNUS Consultant ______ ______ __ __ +>|> ""To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\ __ \ /\ ___\ /\ \/\ \ +>|> something that happened to other people, \ \ \/\ \\ \___ \\ \ \_\ \ +>|> wasn't it?"" - The Black Adder \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\ +> +>Relying on Consumer Reports to pick your automobiles is like +>letting Field & Stream select your living room furniture. +> +>Kenneth +>finnegan@navo.navy.mil + +No one should EVER rely on just a magazine to determine what car they +buy, I don't care what magazine. Btw, I subscribe to three other +auto rags, I just think CU is getting a bum rap by these macho men +from hell who think real men should read . . . . + +Statements like what you said above have no meaning. People keep on +saying ""CU is only good for dishwashing detergent"" or as you +said:""Relying on Consumer Reports . . . . is like. . ."" and that is +all they say. + +If there were as critical of themsevles as they are of CU maybe there +would be some real content. + +john + + + +-- +John Nielsen MAGNUS Consultant ______ ______ __ __ +""To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\ __ \ /\ ___\ /\ \/\ \ +something that happened to other people, \ \ \/\ \\ \___ \\ \ \_\ \ +wasn't it?"" - The Black Adder \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\ +",7 +11240,"From: lanphi872@moscow.uidaho.edu (Rob Lanphier) +Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! +Organization: University of Idaho +Lines: 104 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: snake.cs.uidaho.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +Malcolm Lee (mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca) wrote: +: I will clarify my earlier quote. God's laws were originally written for +: the Israelites. Jesus changed that fact by now making the Law applicable to +: all people, not just the Jews. Gentiles could be part of the kingdom of +: Heaven through the saving grace of God. I never said that the Law was made +: obsolete by Jesus. + +Just for reference, here's the earlier quote: +Malcolm Lee (mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca) wrote in reference to Leviticus 21:9 +and Deuteronomy 22:20-25: +: These laws written for the Israelites, God's chosen people whom God had +: expressly set apart from the rest of the world. The Israelites were a +: direct witness to God's existence. To disobey God after KNOWing that God +: is real would be an outright denial of God and therefore immediately +: punishable. +: Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied only to +: God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We are living in +: the age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable by death. There +: is repentance and there is salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. And +: not just for a few chosen people. Salvation is available to everyone, Jew +: and Gentile alike. + +These are two conflicting statements. To say one is a clarification of the +other is a breach of logic. I don't mind people shifting their position on +an issue. It irritates me when it is said under the premise that no change +was made. What about Deuteronomy 22:20-25? Is it wrong now? Did Jesus +change that? + +: If anything, He clarified the Law such as in that quote you made. In the +: following verses, Jesus takes several portions of the Law and expounds upon +: the Law giving clearer meaning to what God intended. + +Sure he does this. However, he doesn't address the notion of stoning +non-virgin brides, because this needs no clarification. Are you going to +deny that Deuteronomy 22:20-25 is not patently clear in its intent? + +: I think you will agree with me that there are in today's world, a lot of +: modern-day Pharisees who know the bible from end to end but do not believe +: in it. What good is head knowledge if there is nothing in the heart? + +I'll agree that there is a lot of modern day Pharisees that know the Bible +from end to end and don't believe in it. Depending on how they use this +knowledge, they can be scary. They can argue any position they desire, and +back it up with selected parts of the Bible. Such Pharisees include David +Koresh and Adolph Hitler. I will qualify this by saying *I don't know* if +they actually believed what they were preaching, but the ends certainly +made the means look frightening. + +However, just as scary are those that don't know much of the Bible, but +believe every word. In fact, this is probably scarier, since there are far +more of these people, from what I've seen. In addition, they are very easy +to manipulate by the aforementioned Pharisees, since they don't know enough +to debate with these people. + +: Christianity is not just a set of rules; it's a lifestyle that changes one's +: perspectives and personal conduct. And it demands obedience to God's will. + +No, it demands obedience to a book. If God came down and personally told +me how I should behave, then I would say that I would be doing God's will +by doing it. However, if preachers, pastors, and evangelists tell me to +obey the will of a book written by people who have been dead for close to +two millenia (even longer for the OT), even if I follow everything in it +with my heart, I could scarcely be honest with myself by saying I'm doing +the will of God. + +: Some people can live by it, but many others cannot or will not. That is +: their choice and I have to respect it because God respects it too. + +Well, if God respects it so much, how come there is talk in the Bible about +eternal damnation for non-believers? I see little respect eminating from +the god of the Bible. I see a selfish and spiteful god. + +: God be with you, + +Not yours, thanks ;) + +: Malcolm Lee :) + +Rob Lanphier +lanphi872@snake.cs.uidaho.edu +lanph872@uidaho.edu + +And for the curious, here is my earlier post: +> Hmm, for a book that only applied to the Israelites (Deuteronomy), Jesus sure +> quoted it a lot (Mt 4: 4,7,10). In addition, he alludes to it in several +> other places (Mt 19:7-8; Mk 10:3-5; Jn 5:46-47). And, just in case it isn't +> clear Jesus thought the Old Testament isn't obsolete, I'll repeat the +> verse in Matthew which gets quoted on this group a lot: +> +> ""Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have +> not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until +> heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke +> of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is +> accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments +> and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of +> heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called +> great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your +> righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, +> you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."" (Mt 5:17-20 NIV, in +> pretty red letters, so that you know it's Jesus talking) + +> This causes a serious dilemma for Christians who think the Old Testament +> doesn't apply to them. I think that's why Paul Harvey likes quoting it so +> much ;). +",19 +5271,"From: carrd@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com +Subject: Re: David Wells +Lines: 5 + +Has David Wells landed with a team yet? I'd think the Tigers with their +anemic pitching would grab this guy pronto! + +DC + +",9 +2146,"From: hlu@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (HJ Lu) +Subject: Re: Debugging possible hardware problems +Article-I.D.: serval.1993Apr20.151405.12480 +Organization: Washington State University! +Lines: 54 + +In article <1r0rslINNnv2@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) writes: +> +>I'm running Linux on an 80486 EISA system, and I'm having what I think are +>hardware problems. It could be software, but I don't see why I'd be the +>only one having trouble. I'd like some advice on how best to debug this. +> +>The symptom: when I try to build gcc, I get unpredictable and unrepeatable +>results. Sometimes a .o file is not in valid a.out format. Recompiling the +>file gives me a valid binary. Sometimes the compiler aborts or dumps core, +>but works fine when run again with the same input. Compiling the same +>source files with the same arguments gives slight differences in a few +>object files. (Note that Linux, unlike many other systems, does not put +>timestamps in object files so compiling twice should give bit-identical +>results.) +> +>I also have occasional filesystem corruption on my SCSI drive, but that +>could be caused by using development software. It could also be related to +>my problems compiling. The compile problems are not caused by disk +>problems: I get the same results whether I do my work on an IDE or SCSI +>disk. +> +>I've set the memory speed and cache write speed to the recommended values. + +Recommended for what, DOS? That is a junk. + +> +>I suspect the external cache, but I have no real evidence for this. +> +>The motherboard is a NICE Super-EISA with 256 KB write-back cache and a DX/2 +>66 Mhz processor. +> +>What I'm looking for: +> +> . A system test program to run under DOS or Linux + + Linux + gcc. Fire up gcc to compile libc and kernel at the + same time running X11R5. + +> +> . Suggestions about the cause of the problem + + Bad memory, bad motherboard, bad cache. + +> +> . Suggestions about how to debug the problem +> + + change wait state of RAM. + turn off turbo. + change bus speed + swap RAM. + + +H.J. +",3 +9665,"From: chiu@io.nosc.mil (Francis Chiu) +Subject: Re: Blast them next time +Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences +Lines: 39 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: io.nosc.mil +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] + +Daniel Oldham (oldham@ces.cwru.edu) wrote: +: What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of +: had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the +: compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened. + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + Initial assault on the ""compound"" ( more like a wooden farm house if + it burned to the ground like it did ) for WHAT? Regardless of who + started/caused the fire, NONE of this would have happened if the + ATF can HONESTLY justify their initial assault and handled it + properly! + + QUESTION AUTHORITY! + + +: With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed +: more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is +: the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Look +: at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country +: of ours. +: +: With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with + + Show me some evidenence instead of repeating what the FBI/ATF + told you. + +: mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few +: women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn +: to death 51 days later. + + Then I'm sure you won't mind if the ATF or the DEA raid your house + someday on a bogus informant tip. So what if they killed/wounded your + family ""accidentally"" during the raid, it's just a fair price to pay + for law and order in this country, right? Answer this question + honestly before making anymore ignorant statements! + + What is even more disturbing than out of control government agencies + are citizens who allow them to be irresponsible. + +--F. Chiu +",16 +9884,"From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) +Subject: Re: Impeach Clinton, Reno +Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM +Organization: Sun Microsystems +Lines: 22 +NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com + + + > I HEARTILY agree. Now that the BATF warrant has been + > unsealed, it is CLEAR that Clinton and Reno supported an + > ILLEGAL raid. Did they not KNOW this? + + + +> NO authority for a 'no-knock"" raid + > NO authority to use helicopters. +> NO authority to search for a ""drug lab"" + +> And, apparently, not even any authority to search for ""automatic +> weapons"". + +> 51 days of GOVERNMENT LIES. + + Sorry, I missed all this! Can you please give an update on + the warrant? I hadn't heard that it was unsealed. There + was no authority for a ""no-knock?"" This is news. How about + an OK for a wiretap? + + Please summarize! +",16 +1546,"From: cheong@solomon.technet.sg (SCSTECH admin) +Subject: Please Refresh On Internet Access To CompuServe +Nntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg +Organization: TECHNET, Singapore +Lines: 15 + +Hi, + +sometime ago there are some discussions on gaining CompuServe access thru +the Internet. But I seem to misplace those articles. Can someone please +refresh me where (which site) I can telnet to to gain access. + +Hopefully I can download files as well. + + +Thanks, + + +Arthur Lim +Email : arthur@mailhost.scs.com.sg + +",2 +1823,"From: penev@rockefeller.edu (Penio Penev) +Subject: Re: Recommendations for a Local BUS (Cached) IDE Controller +Reply-To: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu +Organization: Rockefeller University +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Distribution: usa +X-Posted-From: venezia.rockefeller.edu +NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu +Lines: 19 + +On 15 Apr 1993 20:14:20 GMT Divya Sundaram (sundaram@egr.msu.edu) wrote: + +| I would like to hear the net.wisdom and net.opinions on IDE Controllers. +| I would liek to get a IDE controller card for my VLB DX2 66 Motherboard. +| What are good options for this (preferably under $200). It MUST also work +| under OS/2 and be compatible with Stacker (and other Disk Compression S/W). + +I have a Maxtor 212MB on an ISA IDE controller, although my machine is +DX2/66 VLB. I has the save transfer rate of 0.647 MB/s regardless of +the variations of the ISA bus speed. I tested it with speed between +5.5MHz and 8.33MHz. Not _any_ difference. The problem is not the +interface between the controller and the memory. + +My advice: Buy 4Megs of RAM, save $70 and enjoy performance. + +-- +Penio Penev x7423 (212)327-7423 (w) Internet: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu + +Disclaimer: All oppinions are mine. +",3 +3752,"From: zoron@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Soren M Burkhart) +Subject: Dragon's Lair II & Space Ace ARCADE games for sale +Keywords: laser games interactive +Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network +Lines: 64 + + + + + Dragon's Lair II ($400 Complete) +------------------------------------- + + + or + + $220 Laser Disc + $150 Motherboard/Joystick/buttons + $35 Graphics (For arcade cabinet) + $50 Brick Power Supply +12/-12/+5 + + Space Ace ($430 Complete) +-------------------------------------- + + or + + $250 Laser Disc + $150 Motherboard/Joystick/buttons + $35 Graphics (For arcade cabinet) + $50 Brick Power Supply +12/-12/+5 + + + Both Space Ace and Dragon's Lair II ($750) +----------------------------------------------- + + These games require a Sony 1450 Laserdisc player. The +nice thing about this player is that you can also watch +normal Laserdisc movies on it as well. I have one which I +will sell for $600 by itself, $550 with a purchase of one +complete system or $500 if you buy both systems. + + I currently run this into my entertainment center. I have +it housed in a PC computer case with with its own fan, and +power supply. I run the audio into my stereo system, and the +laserdisc runs directly into the T.V.. I have made a mount for +the joysticks and the buttons. First person who buys both +games will get it all, otherwise you have to do it yourself. + + If you would prefer to have it all housed in a normal +arcade cabinet this can be done as well. The graphics will +go nicely along the sides and front of the cabinet. + + Everything works perfectly. The laserdisc player has an +RS-232 port which you can use to develop your own multimedia +type applications. The Laserdiscs have been stored in a safe +place and have no scratches on them. + + If you are interested please email me. + + Thanks, + + Soren + +-------------------------------------------------------------- +Soren Burkhart +Purdue University ""Yes, well that is just the sort of +A.I. & Robotics blink-headed pig ignorance I have +zoron@en.ecn.purdue.edu come to expect from you non-creative + garbage."" + + John Cleese (Monty Python) +",6 +657,"From: sab@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu +Subject: Info needed: 2D contour plotting +Lines: 16 + +Hi Everyone-- + + It's spend-the-money-before-it-goes-away time here at U.Florida +and we need to find some PC-based software that will do contour +plotting with irregular boundaries,i.e., a 2-D profile of a soil + system with a pond superimposed + /----------------- on it. We've given SURFER a + POND / | trial run but it interpolates + / | contours out into the pond and/or +----------/ | creates artifacts at the borders. +| SOIL | If anyone out there knows of a +| | product, I'ld appreciate hearing +|________________________________| about it. If there is enough of +a response, I'll post a summary. Thanks -- (and now back to lurking). + + Steve Bloom, Soil & Water Science, U.Fl (SAB@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU) +",1 +5006,"From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) +Subject: Re: Hell-mets. +Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca +Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta +Lines: 56 + +In article <217766@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com> maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: +> +> +> Having talked to a couple people about helmets & dropping, I'm getting +>about 20% ""Don't sweat it"", 78% ""You might think about replacing it"" and the +>other 2% ""DON'T RIDE WITH IT! GO WITHOUT A HELMET FIRST!"" +> +> Is there any way to tell if a helmet is damaged structurally? I dropped it +>about 2 1/2 feet to cement off my seat, chipped the paint. Didn't seem to +>screw up the actual shell. + +I'd bet the price of the helmet that it's okay...From 6 feet +or higher, maybe not. + +> If I don't end up replacing it in the real near future, would I do better +>to wear my (totally nondamaged) 3/4 face DOT-RATED cheapie which doesn't fit +>as well or keep out the wind as well, or wearing the Shoei RF-200 which is a +>LOT more comfortable, keeps the wind out better, is quieter... but might +>have some minor damage? + +I'd wear the full facer, but then, I'd be *way* more worried +about wind blast in the face, and inability to hear police +sirens, than the helmet being a little damaged. + + +> Also, what would you all reccomend as far as good helmets? I'm slightly +>disappointed by how badly the shoei has scratched & etc from not being +>bloody careful about it, and how little impact it took to chip the paint +>(and arguably mess it up, period)... Looking at a really good full-face with +>good venting & wind protection... I like the Shoei style, kinda like the +>Norton one I saw awhile back too... But suspect I'm going to have to get a +>much more expensive helmet if I want to not replace it every time I'm not +>being careful where I set it down. + +Well, my next helmet will be, subject to it fitting well, an AGV +sukhoi. That's just because I like the looks. My current one is +a Shoei task5, and it's getting a little old, and I crashed in +it once a couple of years ago (no hard impact to head...My hip +took care of that.). If price was a consideration I'd get +a Kiwi k21, I hear they are both good and cheap. + +> Christ, I don't treat my HEAD as carefully as I treated the shoei as far as +>tossing it down, and I don't have any bruises on it. + +Be *mildly* mildly paranoid about the helmet, but don't get +carried away. There are people on the net (like those 2% you +mentioned) that do not consistently live on our planet... + +Regards, Charles +DoD0.001 +RZ350 +-- +Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of +separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, +struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing +gourd. --Unknown net.person +",8 +4413,"From: ciarlett@mizar.usc.edu (Joni Ciarletta) +Subject: Master Cylinder +Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA +Lines: 10 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu + + +Thanks to everyone who responded to my Honda Accord break question. +It does seem that the master cylinder is bad. I will have my +mechanic double check and be sure it isn't something simpler +and cheaper first, but from your responses it sounds like it +is very likely to be the master cylinder. + +Thanks everyone!! + +Joni +",7 +3826,"From: harter5255@iscsvax.uni.edu +Subject: Not all deals are bad... +Organization: University of Northern Iowa +Lines: 30 + +Fellow netters, + +I just wanted to let you know that there are a few honest and good people out +there (even outside of Iowa). I'm sorry if anyone thinks that I am wasting +space, but I thought you might want some relief from the ""So-and-so is a thief"" +posts. Not that I think we shouldn't hear about the bad deals, but it would be +nice to hear some good news once in a while. + +After seeing his post on one of the for sale groups, I mailed Mr. Mark Miller a +request for his copy of WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS. He suggested a price of $50 +in his ad, but when I phoned him, he quoted $40 plus shipping. That sounded +more than fair to me, so I told him that I would send him a check the next day. +Imagine my surprise when I logged into my account the following day and found a +message from him saying that it had already been sold (after I had just mailed +the money order). After another E-Mail message to him, he apologized and +assured me that it was a mistake - I was the one who he was holding it for. He +sent the package as soon as he got the money, along with a letter stating a +transfer of license. This wasn't good enough for WordPerfect, so I asked him +to fill out one of their forms. No problem - we thought. It took three times +to get it to the right address (my fault). Anyway, he mailed me the form for +my signature and included a Workbook that I had no idea was included in the +deal. Again, he apologized for not sending it before. I now have the world's +best word processor and a renewed hope in the world that there are a few good +ones left. I recoend that if you ever see that Mark is selling anything thatat +you may want, give him a call. If I had the choice, I would purchase all of my +software from him. + +Bravo, Mr. Miller! + +- Kevin Harter +",6 +3452,"From: khiet@crystallizer.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter Thanh Khiet Vu) +Subject: Wanted: AIRCONDITIONER +Keywords: WANTED +Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network +Lines: 4 + + I am looking for a good used window air conditioner. A small +one is preffered. Call 495-2056 (Peter) and we'll talk about it. +Or email me. ""khiet@cn.ecn"" + +",6 +735,"From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) +Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? +Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand +Lines: 52 + +In article <1993Apr16.212441.34125@rchland.ibm.com>, ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Ricardo Hernandez Muchado) writes: +> In article <1993Apr15.164940.11632@mercury.unt.edu>, Sean McMains writes: +> +> |> +> |> Ricardo, the animation playback to which Lawrence was referring in an +> |> earlier post is plain old Quicktime 1.5 with the Compact Video codec. +> |> I've seen digitized video (some of Apple's early commercials, to be +> |> precise) running on a Centris 650 at about 30fps very nicely (16-bit +> |> color depth). I would expect that using the same algorithm, a RISC +> |> processor should be able to approach full-screen full-motion animation, +> |> though as you've implied, the processor will be taxed more with highly +> |> dynamic material. +> +> +> Sean, I don't want to get into a 'mini-war' by what I am going to say, +> but I have to be a little bit skeptic about the performance you are +> claiming on the Centris, you'll see why (please, no-flames, I reserve +> those for c.s.m.a :-) ) +> +> I was in Chicago in the last consumer electronics show, and Apple had a +> booth there. I walked by, and they were showing real-time video capture +> using a (Radious or SuperMac?) card to digitize and make right on the spot +> quicktime movies. I think the quicktime they were using was the old one +> (1.5). + +That is in fact the current version (it only came out in December). + +> They digitized a guy talking there in 160x2xx something. It played back quite +> nicely and in real time. The guy then expanded the window (resized) to 25x by +> 3xx (320 in y I think) and the frame rate decreased enough to notice that it +> wasn't 30fps (or about 30fps) anymore. It dropped to like 15 fps. Then he +> increased it just a bit more, and it dropped to 10<->12 fps. +> +> Then I asked him what Mac he was using... He was using a Quadra (don't know +> what model, 900?) to do it, and he was telling the guys there that the Quicktime +> could play back at the same speed even on an LCII. +> +> Well, I spoiled his claim so to say, since a 68040 Quadra Mac was having +> a little bit of trouble. And this wasn't even from the hardisk! This was +> from memory! + +My test movie was created at 320*240 resolution, it wasn't being scaled up. +Scaling was a very CPU-intensive operation with the original QuickTime (1.0); +the current version has optimizations for ratios like 4:1 (160*120 -> 320*240), +but even so, I'm prepared to believe that the performance isn't as good as +with playing back an actual 320*240 movie. I haven't done any numerical +measurements for scaled playback. + +Lawrence D'Oliveiro fone: +64-7-856-2889 +Computer Services Dept fax: +64-7-838-4066 +University of Waikato electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz +Hamilton, New Zealand 37^ 47' 26"" S, 175^ 19' 7"" E, GMT+12:00 +",1 +7522,"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) +Subject: Re: how can 0.022 uF be different from two 0.047 in series?! +Organization: U of Toronto Zoology +Lines: 13 + +In article <1993Apr19.185326.9830@Princeton.EDU> mg@cs.princeton.edu (Michael Golan) writes: +>The board itself is also identical, with room for all three caps. The +>US/Can versions is clearly indicated in both places. +> +>How does that make sense? 0.047/2 is 0.0235, essentially 0.022 for caps +>(there are just standard caps, no special W/type/precision). + +This may be a safety issue; the CSA is more paranoid in certain areas than +UL and such. Two caps in series means that you don't have a short if one +of them shorts. +-- +All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology + - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry +",12 +10829,"From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) +Subject: Re: AF/ATS: Red Army Fraction (RAF) communique +Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) +Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH +Lines: 33 + +As quoted from by c115184@cs.UAlberta.CA (Merth Eric William): + +> +> >In article , cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) writes: +> +> >|>As quoted from by hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker): +> >|> +> >|>> Isn't it wonderfull the way people can make the sadistic and indescriminate +> >|>> murder of the Bader-Meinhof gang sound like altruism? +> >|> +> >|>Gee Phil, I'd remember where you are and that these people are monitoring the +> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +> >|>net. I'd also remember that they have about as much sense of humor as Ed +> ^^^ +> +> Damn. It isn't Big Brother after all? And all this time I thought that all +> those revolutionaries, while blowing things up and killing the odd +> innocent person in the process, really did love all us proles. ('cause +> _everybody knows_ that dialectical materialism will save you [even +> if it has to get you killed first]). +> What a fool I've been. + +What you fail to see is that in order to make a nightmarish stew of psychosis +and repression, you have to break a few eggs. You the evil productive +elements in society, are those eggs.... + +Damn the spirit, full speed ahead.... + +-- +=================================================================== +""You're like a bunch of over-educated, New York jewish ACLU lawyers +fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in +Arkansas"" - Holly Silva +",18 +9403,"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center +From: +Subject: Re: Waco dates - are these coincidental? +Distribution: usa + <1993Apr5.193927.19951@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> +Lines: 19 + +I do not think it is at all unlikely that Clinton ro his policy +wonk facilitators arranged the Waco raid as a display piece for the +Gun War on the Constitution. Look at what the Bush administration did to +get material for the Drug War on the Constitution--remember that baggie of +crack George waved at the cameras? They took a dealer from the ghetto +and brought him to the White House so they could say drugs had been +dealt onb the White House Lawn. +And I don't think anybody could honestly think Clinton would have any +moral qualms about the raid... +The only really worrisome thing is that the BD's heroic defense of +their ranch will make Clinton's Gun War on the Constitution _more_ +successfull--exactly as he wanted. The media and politicians will +filter this so that the general public will think the BD's +are bad guys! Don't help them. Stand up for the BD's with your +friends and family adnd in public anytime you can--their supposed +moral qualms are not important to the issue. They are heroes in the +fight against oppressive government; it could just as well have been +you. +-watkins@earth.eecs.uic.edu (Brian E Watkins) +",16 +4001,"From: cs012055@cs.brown.edu (Hok-Chung Tsang) +Subject: Re: Saturn's Pricing Policy +Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr5.230808.581 +Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept. +Lines: 51 + +In article , fredd@shuksan (Fred Dickey) writes: +|> CarolinaFan@uiuc (cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: +|> : I have been active in defending Saturn lately on the net and would +|> : like to state my full opinion on the subject, rather than just reply to others' +|> : points. +|> : +|> : The biggest problem some people seem to be having is that Saturn +|> : Dealers make ~$2K on a car. I think most will agree with me that the car is +|> : comparably priced with its competitors, that is, they aren't overpriced +|> : compared to most cars in their class. I don't understand the point of +|> : arguing over whether the dealer makes the $2K or not? +|> +|> I have never understood what the big deal over dealer profits is either. +|> The only thing that I can figure out is that people believe that if +|> they minimize the dealer profit they will minimize their total out-of-pocket +|> expenses for the car. While this may be true in some cases, I do not +|> believe that it is generally true. I bought a Saturn SL in January of '92. +|> AT THAT TIME, based on studying car prices, I decided that there was +|> no comparable car that was priced as cheaply as the Saturn. Sure, maybe I +|> could have talked the price for some other car to the Saturn price, but +|> my out-of-pocket expenses wouldn't have been any different. What's important +|> to me is how much money I have left after I buy the car. REDUCING DEALER PROFIT +|> IS NOT THE SAME THING AS SAVING MONEY! Show me how reducing dealer profit +|> saves me money, and I'll believe that it's important. My experience has +|> been that reducing dealer profit does not necessarily save me money. +|> +|> Fred + + +Say, you bought your Saturn at $13k, with a dealer profit of $2k. +If the dealer profit is $1000, then you would only be paying $12k for +the same car. So isn't that saving money? + +Moreover, if Saturn really does reduce the dealer profit margin by $1000, +then their cars will be even better deals. Say, if the price of a Saturn was +already $1000 below market average for the class of cars, then after they +reduce the dealer profit, it would be $2000 below market average. It will: + +1) Attract even more people to buy Saturns because it would SAVE THEM MONEY. + +2) Force the competitors to lower their prices to survive. + +Now, not only will Saturn owners benefit from a lower dealer profit, even +the buyers for other cars will pay less. + +Isn't that saving money? + + + +$0.02, +doug. +",7 +6792,"From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) +Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption +Distribution: na +Organization: Totally Unorganized +Lines: 95 + +In article bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: +>rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes: +> +>> >and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American +>> >to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of +> +>> Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN +>> CONTEXT? +> +>Yes. BTW, the appropriate Amendments were posted here some time ago. +> +>> If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again. +>> It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individual +>> to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles. +> +>It's OK, it's OK... Just a month ago I expressed my belief that the +>right to have a means to shoot your neighbor is not that much +>necessary to ensure a people's right to be free and got flamed by lots +>of American gun supporters. So I thought that... +> +>Never mind. The new Cripple Chip is a purely American problem, so deal +>with the mess yourselves. I just wanted to share with you a bit of my +>experience of living 30 years under a totalitarian regime (I'm +>Bulgarian) - because I thought that it might be useful to you. Oh +>well. + +I think your experiences under the Bulgarian regime are highly relevant. +We have too many people with their heads in the sand saying it cannot +happen here, as our Constitutional Rights are being trashed every day +because the government justifies doing some end-run around the protections +by a 'crisis' requiring 'drastic action'. It is most likely that in the +future possession of secure encryption tools will be regarded as possession +of 'terrorist and drug dealers tools', and be some serious Fedaral Felony. +Just like common tools are 'burgular tools' if the police say so, common +computer programs (even computers themselves) are now 'hackers tools', +and will become 'terrorist tools'. BET ON IT. + +The insights of someone who has lived throught this are very important. +If the US goes the way of the old Soviet Union and its client states +as far as individual rights, privacy and overall freedom are concerned, +the rest of the world (remember 'New World Order'?) will not be far +behind - only a few years. + +Please keep posting anything you find that is deficient or that threatens +ones rights in this thing. + +For example, a conversation between a suspect and a lawyer will no longer +be private from Big Brother eavesdropping. Political dissent allready +is very dangerous in this country, all it takes is the government to +decide that enough people will take one seriously, then one becomes +guilty of 'plotting to overthrow the government by illegal means'. The +phrase 'illegal means' is defined as whatever the government wants it +to be defined as. + +Couple this with Clinton's pressing for a 'smart' National ID card (an +'Internal passport'?), with the added wrinkle that anything about you and +your past can be put on it, and you can only take the government's +word as to what is really on it (since they will be the only ones +with the means to completely read and reprogram the thing). Isn't +that nice? + +While the Feds can bust into one's safe without the keys, the owner +knows his safe has been broken into. When they break into your 'secure' +phone conversations (or other stored/transmitted data in the near future) +you have no way of knowing, so accountability as to the legalities has +gone out the window. Just like a safe, if they have a legal cause, they +can get the keys from the suspect, just like they can get the keys to +a safe or the combination from the suspect. Same with encryption: +Record everything, get the warrants, THEN decode it with the keys +obtained from the suspect. + +This Clinton Cripple, along with its natural extensions, will make any +priviliged communications between client and lawyer, and any meaningful +political dissent virtually impossible. Which is the general idea. +Any propeganda about its being secure, and the safeguards, and all +of that are just that - propeganda to reassure people so they will +by into this monstrosity. DON'T BE SUCKERED. + +BIG BROTHER IS LISTENING!!! + +> +>Regards, +>Vesselin +>-- +>Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg +>Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN +>< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C +>e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany + + +-- +pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA + If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat +WISDOM: ""Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, + and I am not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstien +",11 +319,"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) +Subject: Re: <, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: +|> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: +|> +|> [...] +|> >>The ""`little' things"" above were in reference to Germany, clearly. People +|> >>said that there were similar things in Germany, but no one could name any. +|> >That's not true. I gave you two examples. One was the rather +|> >pevasive anti-semitism in German Christianity well before Hitler +|> >arrived. The other was the system of social ranks that were used +|> >in Imperail Germany and Austria to distinguish Jews from the rest +|> >of the population. +|> +|> These don't seem like ""little things"" to me. At least, they are orders +|> worse than the motto. Do you think that the motto is a ""little thing"" +|> that will lead to worse things? + +You don't think these are little things because with twenty-twenty +hindsight, you know what they led to. + +jon. +",0 +5833,"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) +Subject: Re: Trade rumor: Montreal/Ottawa/Phillie +Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department +Lines: 42 + +In article <1993Apr5.203552.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes: +>TSN Sportsdesk just reported that the OTTAWA SUN has reported that +>Montreal will send 4 players + $15 million including Vin Damphousse +>and Brian Bellows to Phillidelphia, Phillie will send Eric Lindros +>to Ottawa, and Ottawa will give it's first round pick to Montreal. +> + +Obviously some reporter for the Ottawa Sun got taken by an April +Fools joke...probably started by someone with the Nordiques or the +Bruins. + +Like for example...who is going to reimburse the Flyers for the +$15 million they paid to the Nordiques...like the Senators are +going to get Lindros and $15 million. The Flyers sent the +equivalent of 6 or 7 players (when you include the draft choices) +to Quebec, and they are going to get only four back. + +Some reporter was had real badly and someone must be having a +real good laugh seeing as how the so much of the sports media +has chosen to publicize this utter nonsense. + +>If this is true, it will most likely depend on whether or not Ottawa +>gets to choose 1st overall. Can Ottawa afford Lindros' salary? +> + +Can you think...it cannot possibly be true...no need for the ""if""! + +>Personally, I can't see Philli giving up Lindros -- for anything. +>They didn't give away that much to Quebec just to trade him away +>again. Not to mention that Lindros seems to be a *huge* draw in +>Phillie -- and that he represents a successful future for the +>franchise. +> +>Ottawa may be better off taking the 4 players +$15 from Montreal +>for the pick. +> + +I can't believe that anyone would consider giving such crap even +the remotest consideration. + +Gerald + +",10 +11041,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) +Subject: Re: Ignorance is BLISS, was Is it good that Jesus died? +Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau +Lines: 17 + +In article , pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) +wrote: +> In article +> sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: +> >Ignorance is not bliss! + +> Ignorance is STRENGTH! +> Help spread the TRUTH of IGNORANCE! + +Huh, if ignorance is strength, then I won't distribute this piece +of information if I want to follow your advice (contradiction above). + + +Cheers, +Kent +--- +sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. +",19 +4358,"From: nathanp@sco.COM (Nathan) +Subject: Re: Ford Probe - Opinions? (centered around the GT) +Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation +Lines: 127 + + +""Jeremy G. Mereness"" says: +> +>Can anyone offer any opinions of the Ford Probe... ala how they do in +>the long run, repair records, reliability, mileage, etc? +> +>I am fixing to buy a car in the next few months aiming toward something +>a little bigger than a typical small car and with a little more power. I +>am considering the MX-6, Probe, Accord, Corolla, and the 240SX. +> +>The Probe is the youngest of the bunch, thus my interest in opinions. +>But every magazine and ratings book places it as an excellent value. +>BTW, the 240SX is rear-wheel drive and is due for a re-design for 1994. +> +>Thanks in Advance! + +While I don't read normally read this group, I was looking for Valentine radar +information (sigh, maybe in the FAQ) and came across your posting.. + +I bought a '93 Probe GT with the PEP 263A last July (now at 9500 miles) +after debating over the Sentra SE-R/NX2000, MX6, MR-2, Stealth, Prelude, +and Celica. + +Check this month's Consumer Reports for previous Probe records. + +My criteria: a ""fun"" car with ABS, airbag, over 130hp, and less than $25K. +I thought about a turbo, but checking with insurance people ruled that out. +The Tri-Star cars (Eclipse/Talon/etc) were out since they don't have an air bag. +Ditto for the Mustang(also no ABS). +The SE-R/NX2000/M20 fell into the pocket-rocket category. A good used car buy. +The MX-6 was almost there but rolled more than I liked. +I didn't like the Prelude dash/instrumentation at all. Too weird for me. +The MR2 has a much smaller non-passenger space than I needed, so out that went. +The Celica was ""ok"" but underpowered when loaded with options (and somewhat +overpriced too) in non-turbo form. +I never considered the 240SX since it didn't have an airbag. I did look at it +for its RWD virtues but that's it. The Corolla never entered my mind. +I should have looked at the Mitsubishi VR4/Dodge Stealth more. +Since my list was exhausted, I bought the Probe. :-) + +The car design is different than earlier years, so it's too early to see its +reliability so far. For what it's worth, my comments: + +My dislikes: +Shutting door with windows up from inside rarely makes good wind seal. +Headlights have ""stuck"" up a few times (weather?) +air conditioning broke ~4000 miles (pressure cycling switch) +condensation around rear washer fluid container doesn't drain completely. +crammed engine; little hope for do-it-yourselfers (typical) +parts somewhat more expensive than normal Ford parts +underside plastic doesn't like sharp driveways and speedbumps (typical). +assembly gripes: tape on radiator, screw fell out of dash, seat seams not +stitched properly. Hopefully just a fluke. +Ford only gives 1 key with the car. C'mon Ford, spend an extra few pennies! +Rear hatch has no padding on corners when up. I'm waiting for the day when +I bash my head on the corner. +horn buttons behind air bag in spokes and not in center (personal preference) +Tires fling dirt/mud onto side of car + +My Likes: +engine (design/valves/sounds/smoothness/power/mileage/torque) -- definitely #1 +handling (very good for FWD; understeer only at limits) +transmission (the 5 speed is a must) +usable instrumentation (lovely readable analog everywhere) +Very little torque steer at full power (much better than the '90 SHO I drive) +stability at 100+mph (high gearing though) +low cowl (good visibility in front) +Heated outside mirrors (nice in fog, never tested in freezing weather) +ABS/Air bag (see above) +rear seats fold down (I have few rear seat passengers so a trunk not important) +No shake/rattle noises when going over bumps/potholes (still!) +Tires: 225/55VR16 Goodyear Eagles (70% left; hoping for 30K :-) + +As you can see, I'm primarily interested in the engine. While it doesn't +have the uummmph of a big-liter car or the turbo rush, the big selling +point for me was the all-aluminum 24 value 2.5 liter engine. + +The overall car is a good buy for the money. That market segment hasn't changed +much since July (Prelude VTEC, Honda Del Sol??). I drive it to and from work +each day on relatively smooth roads, and most noticable thing is that the +Probe's suspension doesn't like potholes. When you test drive one, find a +potholed road somewhere around town and see if the jarring you get is tolerable. +If you have 3+ passengers, by all means bring them along too. They'll find +that they have no room in the back and you'll find that the car rides +differently (if that's ""better"" is up to you). Also, there's a lot of glass +around you which I wasn't expecting; the temperature inside the car gets pretty +hot in the summer. My back seat passengers (now very few) complain about +the lack of ventilation; you may want to consider that when combined with +the heat. I've heard that the exhaust system has trouble, but mine works fine. +Leather and the keyless entry system weren't available when I got the car so +I can't comment on them (I got the car before it was officially announced). +I prefer cloth to leather anyway. + +I wouldn't want this car in the snow: The suspension is too rough for the +inevitable surprise potholes, tires aren't meant for snow, and the seats assume +that you're not wearing lots of thick clothing. Rain is much better: water +generally beads off the windshield at freeway speed, the windshield wiper +controls are easy and understandable, and I barely hydroplaned once with the +Eagles (and I was really trying). +There is also a definite lack of cup holder/small storage places. The GT +has map holders below the speakers in the door, but they're rigid plastic +that could fit two cassettes or CD's max. The center console/storage bin/arm +rest has *1* cup holder and the back of the front seats have a cloth ""pouch"" +but that's it. No change holders. Quite a let-down from the SHO. +And the Probe is definitely not a people-mover car or an econo-box car! + +Lastly, don't store wet car covers in the back. The foam will soak the +water up and the result will *not* smell pleasant :-(. + +Nathan +nathan@sco.com + +> +>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +>|Jeremy Mereness | Support | Ye Olde Disclaimer: | +>|zonker+@cmu.edu (internet) | Free | The above represent my| +>| FAST Project, CMU-GSIA | Software| opinions, alone. | +>|B.S. Mechanical Engineering, CMU| | Ya Gotta Love It. | +>| Every Silver Lining's Got a Touch of Grey | +>------------------------------------------------------------------------ +> This year marks the 200th anniversary of the Bill of Rights +> + + +-- +MX: nathan@sco.com + ""NO COMMENT""/They're coming to take me away, Ha-Ha! -- Napolean XIV +",7 +10571,"From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice) +Subject: Re: US Government Sanctions Sacrilege +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 +Nntp-Posting-Host: utarlg.uta.edu +Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington +Lines: 82 + +William December Starr writes... + +in a typical lawyer baiting fashion, as usual. + +(All the while ignoring every principle of the ACLU.) + +Good to see your still out there WDS. Surely we've +been around the ring enough by now, that you know +you can't spin me up with expletives. + +Let's see if there's anything left worth responding to... + +>Cyrus' ""Achy Breaky Heart"" ad infinitum until either Koresh surrenders or +>the rest of the state of Texas is totally depopulated... :-) + +E for effort. Heard about the folks who live around foghorns and +airports? + +>> Erect an Inverted Cross, or a Star of David broken asunder, out in +>> front of the Davidians to provoke them. Or boom out Islamic prayers. +>> Or worse. What temple would you destroy? What books would you burn? +>> Will you kill clergy? Will you mock the Spirit of GOD before the +>> innocent?? +> +>Sure I would. Why not? + +Seems right in character to me -- creature of the state. +Btw, are you still happy with your presidents? + +>> If you in government have no respect for other's faith, and no respect +>> for the lives and well being of those innocent children caught in this +>> hell you've created -- why should anyone respect your lipservice of +>> ""rule of law?"" +> +>What does rule of law have to do with respect for anyone's religious +>faith? + +See the part about the children following the ""and"" in the first line +above. + +As to a connection, your ""cult"" is ""faith in rules"". + +>> No matter who the criminals are, or what they've done (and it looks +>> like there are criminals on both sides of the matter) -- their +>> conviction is not worth the abuse you're causing. +> +>What abuse? Please be specific. + +Sure. My concern is the well being of the children. + +>> If you are willing to ignore the children, or heap abuse, insult, and +>> sacrilege on the children inside the Davidian house -- then GOD REBUKE +>> YOU. Best you learn directly from the Lord the corruption you're +>> committing. In GOD's good time and way, the LORD judge you -- I can +>> not. For truth be told I would send you all straight to hell -- and +>> GOD would be right in sending me right along with you. +> +>Oh, fuck you and the God you rode in on, Stephen. If you can show the +>legitimacy of God's claim of sovereignty over man, please do so. +>Otherwise stop ranting and raving about him already. +> +>-- William December Starr + +{Interesting that you would respond ""emotionally"" in defense of the +government. Maybe there is a beating heart there.} + +For the record though, the biggest-baddest goverment on earth claims +the most sovereignty over man. Best I can tell God allows anyone to +go to hell who wants to. Omnipotency logically determines that ""allowing"" +and ""sending"" mean the same thing. (Mere human concepts of course.) + +So come on WDS. Why bother to try some flimsy facade of logic. Waco +proves it's not needed -- the demonstration that government can walk +over it's own rules in the name of justice has been made. No problem +by me. Noted and announced -- for the record. Just giving the govern- +ment it's due, and getting back to more worthwhile non-government +concerns. + + | +-- J -- + | + | stephen +",18 +6799,"From: smk5@quads.uchicago.edu (Steve Kramarsky) +Subject: Re: Hard drive security for FBI targets +Keywords: cooperation +Reply-To: smk5@midway.uchicago.edu +Organization: University of Chicago +Lines: 34 + +In article holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: +>I'm not a lawyer, so correct me if I'm wrong, but doing that could be +>considered obstruction of justice, which could land you in prison for +>quite a while. +> +>The thing that's great about the secret key is it is IDEA encrypted, so +>even if the FBI do get the key, they're SOL unless they know the magic +>word. If they try to force you to give them your pass phrase, just say +>""Oops, I forgot."" Since the burden of proof is still on the prosecution +>in this country, if you keep your mouth shut, how can they prove that you +>didn't forget your pass phrase. +> + OK, Doug is right, it would be obstruction of justice, blah blah blah, +BUT, saying ""I forgot"" is a lie, which is just as bad from a moral point +of view _IF_ you think ""lawfulness"" is a good in and of itself (which +admittedly most people do not.) But there's an even better way out of this. +PROVIDED the government is prosecuting you criminally, you can probably +plead the fifth amendmeent and thus LEGALLY avoid revealing your key. The +government cannot demand information from a criminal defendant which ""may +tend to incriminate"" that defendant. Though this has never been applied +in the cryptography context (at least as far as I can tell) it seems an +obvious application to me. + + This may be a common suggestion in this group, but if it's not (I'm new +here) I'd love to hear what people have to say about it. Since I don't +really read this group (and since the subject matter is more legal than +cryptoid) maybe misc.legal.computing would be an appropriate place? + + Steve. + +-- + Steve Kramarsky, University of Chicago Law School + steve@faerie.chi.il.us -or- smk5@quads.uchicago.edu + ""All I did was kiss a girl."" - Jake, the night before his hanging. +",11 +3875,"From: tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin) +Subject: For Sale: Game Boy +Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system +Lines: 10 + +For sale: + +Nintendo Game Boy, Tetris, Castlevania Adventure, All-Star Challenge, +Nemesis, Play-Action football, link cable. + +Make me an offer. + +Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat. + +I define myself--tsa@cellar.org +",6 +656,"From: pest@konech.UUCP (Wolfgang Pest) +Subject: Speedstar 24 - how to program the TrueColor mode ? +Distribution: world +Organization: Kontron Elektronik GmbH Eching, Germany +Lines: 17 + +Hello, +I purchased my new 486 with a NoName graphics card installed which is obviously +Speedstar 24 compatible. Its name is ""VGA 4000 TrueColor"". +It is accompanied with some drivers and the utilities VMODE, XMODE and +at least one more MODE, as well as some drivers for Lotus, Windows, etc. +Only one of the drivers is told to provide the TrueColor mode, namely +the Windows 3.1 driver. +Nowhere else, except in the ad, is any pointer to the TrueColor mode. +Some articles in this group about the Speedstar 24 and some other facts +made me believe that my card is compatible to that one. + +Does anybody out there know how this mode can be adjusted? How can I write +a driver which allows me to have 16.7 millions of colors with a resolution +of 640 x 480 with 45 Hz interlaced ? + +Greetings, + Wolfgang +",1 +7591,"From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Euclid K.) +Subject: Re: Anti-Viral Herbs +Article-I.D.: news.C51o24.8A4 +Distribution: na +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 38 + +kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) writes: + +>Unfortunately it was rather poorly researched, and would not be available +>today if it were just invented. Keep in mind however that those were +>the days when a bottle of Coca Cola really did contain coca extract and +>a certain amount of active cocaine. Times have changed, and our attitudes +>need to change with them. + Well, yes. That was a part of my point. Aspirin has its problems, but +in some situations it is useful. Ditto stuff like licorice root. Taking +anything as a drug for theraputic purposes implicitly carries the idea +of taking a dose where the benefits are not exceeded by any unwanted, +additional effects. Taking any drug when the potential ill-effects are +not known is a risk assumed by the parties involved, and it may be that +in a given situation the risk is worthwhile. + Like Prozac, for instance; Prozac has been shown to be theraputic in +some cases where the tri-cyclics fail. But Prozac hasn't been in use +that long, and it really isn't clear what if any effects it may have +when taken over long periods of time, even though it has been tested +by present day standards. Should Prozac be taken off the market because +long-term effects, if any, are not known? IMHO, i'd say no. + +euclid + +>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +>= Kenneth Gilbert | University of Pittsburgh = +>= General Internal Medicine --*-- Pittsburgh, PA = +>= kxgst1+@pitt.edu | ""...dammit, not a programmer! = +>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +>-- +>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +>= Kenneth Gilbert | University of Pittsburgh = +>= General Internal Medicine --*-- Pittsburgh, PA = +>= kxgst1+@pitt.edu | ""...dammit, not a programmer! = +-- +Euclid K. standard disclaimers apply +""It is a bit ironic that we need the wave model [of light] to understand the +propagation of light only through that part of the system where it leaves no +trace."" --Hudson & Nelson (_University_Physics_) +",13 +154,"Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses (good grief!) +From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) +Organization: Case Western Reserve University +NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu +Lines: 14 + +In article <66018@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: + +>The amount of energy being spent on ONE LOUSY SYLLOGISM says volumes for the +>true position of reason in this group. + + I agree, we spend too much energy on the nonexistance of God. + +-- + + + ""Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. + They do what god tells them to do. "" + + S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) +",0 +2359,"From: hurh@fnal.fnal.gov (Patrick Hurh) +Subject: Cache Card and Optimum Memory Settings? +Organization: fnal +Lines: 25 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: phurh.fnal.gov + +Here's a question that may be simple enough to answer, but has stumped +myself and a few others: + +What does an external RAM cache card do for you if you already have a large +cache set (through control panel) in your SIMMs? + +EX: I have a Mac IIci with 20 meg RAM, an external video card (so I don't +rob my SIMM's), and the default Apple cache card (I believe this is 32K?). +Say I have my cache set at 2 MEG, what good does a measly 32K do me on the +cache card? Could it actually slow things down by dividing the cache +between the card and the SIMM's? Or does it still speed things up by +providing a 'secondary staging' area for data normally passed directly into +the SIMM RAM cache? + +I'm confused because it seems like cache cards are so low in memory to +really do any good compared to what you can set yourself. Yet, Daystar +FastCache has numbers which show around a 30% performance boost on some +operations. Are the chips on the cache card simply faster than most SIMM +accesses? + +Please help, I'm trying to find the optimum memory settings for the IIci +system described in the EX above. + +--patrick +hurh@fnal.fnal.gov +",4 +3594,"Subject: Re: FORSALE: Men Without Hats- Folk of the 80's Part III vinyl +From: andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz (andrew king) +Reply-To: Andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz +Distribution: world +Organization: Wibble +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 14 + +Grinning Evil Death (mute@bigwpi.WPI.EDU) wrote: + +: Men Without Hats - ""Folk of the 80's (Part III)"" - vinyl + +Anyone out there who is willing to part with their copy of + +Men without Hats, ""Pop goes the world!"" album on vinyl...or perhaps CD... + +please contact me, we wish to purchase it! + + +|o| Andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz )() |o| +| | |U |\ It's late (again)... | | +|o| |___|/ Tea and Lemmings please! |o| +",6 +2690,"From: Sven@Beowulf.JPL.NASA.GOV (Sven U. Grenander) +Subject: Re: Increasing the number of Serial ports +Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory +Lines: 33 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: mac4.jpl.nasa.gov + +In article <1993Apr18.134943.16479@bmers95.bnr.ca>, slang@bnr.ca (Steven +Langlois) wrote: +> +> Does anyone know if there are any devices available for the Mac which +> will increase the number of serial ports available for use +> simultaneously? I would like to connect up to 8 serial devices to my +> Mac for an application I am working on. I must be able to access each +> one of the independently. +> +> If such a device exists, are there are any limits to the number of +> serial devices I can use? +> +> Any information is appreciated. +> +> Steven Langlois +> slang@bnr.ca + +The Quadralink by AE is a possibly problematical solution to your needs. +I've used one for the last 4 (?) years on my personal system, but a fatal +bug has crept into their more recent s/w. The bug only shows up during +heavy serial traffic but completely crashes the system (MacsBug can not +reboot, time to hit the restart button). + +AE told me in January that they were aware of and working on fixing the bug +which I described to them. Since then they have not answered any of my +faxes asking them for a status of the bug-fix. + +The QL has been great, but for now I have mine sidelined. If you are only +going to be using 2400 Baud or less, then you may have no, or very +infrequent problems, + + +-Sven +",4 +8687,"From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) +Subject: DC-Y trajectory simulation +Keywords: SSTO, Delta Clipper +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 91 + + +I've been to three talks in the last month which might be of interest. I've +transcribed some of my notes below. Since my note taking ability is by no means +infallible, please assume that all factual errors are mine. Permission is +granted to copy this without restriction. + +Note for newbies: The Delta Clipper project is geared towards producing a +single staget to orbit, reusable launch vehicle. The DC-X vehicle is a 1/3 +scale vehicle designed to test some of the concepts invovled in SSTO. It is +currently undergoing tests. The DC-Y vehicle would be a full scale +experimental vehicle capable of reaching orbit. It has not yet been funded. + +On April 6th, Rocky Nelson of MacDonnell Douglas gave a talk entitled +""Optimizing Techniques for Advanced Space Missions"" here at the University of +Illinois. Mr Nelson's job involves using software to simulate trajectories and +determine the optimal trajectory within given requirements. Although he is +not directly involved with the Delta Clipper project, he has spent time with +them recently, using his software for their applications. He thus used +the DC-Y project for most of his examples. While I don't think the details +of implicit trajectory simulation are of much interest to the readers (I hope +they aren't - I fell asleep during that part), I think that many of you will +be interested in some of the details gleaned from the examples. + +The first example given was the maximization of payload for a polar orbit. The +main restriction is that acceleration must remain below 3 Gs. I assume that +this is driven by passenger constraints rather than hardware constraints, but I +did not verify that. The Delta Clipper Y version has 8 engines - 4 boosters +and 4 sustainers. The boosters, which have a lower isp, are shut down in +mid-flight. Thus, one critical question is when to shut them down. Mr Nelson +showed the following plot of acceleration vs time: + ______ +3 G /| / | + / | / | As ASCII graphs go, this is actually fairly + / | / | good. The big difference is that the lines +2 G / |/ | made by the / should be curves which are + / | concave up. The data is only approximate, as + / | the graph wasn't up for very long. +1 G / | + | + | +0 G | + + ^ ^ + ~100 sec ~400 sec + + +As mentioned before, a critical constraint is that G levels must be kept below +3. Initially, all eight engines are started. As the vehicle burns fuel the +accelleration increases. As it gets close to 3G, the booster engines are +throtled back. However, they quickly become inefficient at low power, so it +soon makes more sense to cut them off altogether. This causes the dip in +accelleration at about 100 seconds. Eventually the remaining sustainer engines +bring the G level back up to about 3 and then hold it there until they cut +out entirely. + +The engine cutoff does not acutally occur in orbit. The trajectory is aimed +for an altitude slightly higher than the 100nm desired and the last vestiges of +air drag slow the vehicle slightly, thus lowering the final altitude to +that desired. + +Questions from the audience: (paraphrased) + +Q: Would it make sense to shut down the booster engines in pairs, rather than + all at once? + +A: Very perceptive. Worth considering. They have not yet done the simulation. Shutting down all four was part of the problem as given. + +Q: So what was the final payload for this trajectory? + +A: Can't tell us. ""Read Aviation Leak."" He also apparently had a good + propulsion example, but was told not to use it. + +My question: Does anyone know if this security is due to SDIO protecting +national security or MD protecting their own interests? + +The second example was reentry simulation, from orbit to just before the pitch +up maneuver. The biggest constraint in this one is aerodynamic heating, and +the parameter they were trying to maximize was crossrange. He showed graphs +of heating using two different models, to show that both were very similar, +and I think we were supposed to assume that this meant they were very accurate. +The end result was that for a polar orbit landing at KSC, the DC-Y would have +about 30 degrees of crossrange and would start it's reentry profile about +60 degrees south latitude. + +I would have asked about the landing maneuvers, but he didn't know about that +aspect of the flight profile. + +-- +Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu + ""Find a way or make one."" + -attributed to Hannibal +",14 +340,"From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Desert Brat) +Subject: Re: Keith Schneider - Stealth Poster? +Organization: Cured, discharged +Lines: 24 + +In article <1pa0f4INNpit@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: + +> But really, are you threatened by the motto, or by the people that use it? + +Every time somone writes something and says it is merely describing the norm, +it is infact re-inforcing that norm upon those programmed not to think for +themselves. The motto is dangerous in itself, it tells the world that every +*true* American is god-fearing, and puts down those who do not fear gods. It +doesn't need anyone to make it dangerous, it does a good job itself by just +existing on your currency. + +> keith + +The Desert Brat +-- +John J McVey, Elc&Eltnc Eng, Whyalla, Uni S Australia, ________ +9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au T.S.A.K.C. \/Darwin o\ +For replies, mail to whjjm@wh.whyalla.unisa.edu.au /\________/ +Disclaimer: Unisa hates my opinions. bb bb ++------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ +|""It doesn't make a rainbow any less beautiful that we | ""God's name is smack | +|understand the refractive mechanisms that chance to | for some."" | +|produce it."" - Jim Perry, perry@dsinc.com | - Alice In Chains | ++------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ +",0 +2803,"Distribution: world +From: Ken_M._Kampman@bmug.org +Organization: BMUG, Inc. +Subject: Re: IIsi question +Lines: 11 + +The si has a single expansion slot, that can be either PDS or Nubus, but not +both together. The card lies parallel to and above the motherboard & HD and +requires an adaptor slot to do this. There are Nubus and PDS adaptort cards. +Thus, what kind of slots you have depends on what kind of adapter card you +have. With the exception of the Radius rocket, all NuBus cards I know of work +in the si. PDS slots and thus cards are Mac specific, thus not all PDS cards +work in all Macs. + +**** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG. The message contained in +**** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views. + +",4 +9697,"From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) +Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign +Lines: 63 + +In article <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: +>I will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors, +>but here goes: +> +>Monday, 19 April, 1993 13:30 EDT +> +> MURDER MOST FOUL!! +> +>CNN is reporting as I write this that the ATF has ignited all +>the buildings of the Branch Dividian ranch near Waco, TX. The +>lies from ATF say ""holes were made in the walls and 'non-lethal' tear +>gas pumped in"". A few minutes after this started the whole thing went up. +>ALL buildings are aflame. NO ONE HAS ESCAPED. I think it obvious that +>the ATF used armored flame-thrower vehicles to pump in unlit +>napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. + +Actually if 'a few minutes' translates into 6 hours, you have it +right. BUT you (and I guess your single-source news agency CNN) +failed to mention the Davidians pouring kerosene all over and lighting it in plain +view. + +>THIS IS MURDER! + +Well, small-scale Jim Jones type suicide with fire instead of kool-aid. + +> +>ATF MURDERERS! BUTCHERS!! + +Sorry, guy, you got it wrong. ATF was pumping tear gas into the compound. +The Branch Davidians (going along with their apocolyptic faith) set their +own compound on fire killing all but 9 or so. No children survived. + +>THIS IS GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN! + +Self-slaughter, anyway. I pity the children who were to young to be able +to make a conscious choice. + +>I have predicted this from the start, but God, it sickens me to see +>it happen. I had hoped I was wrong. I had hoped that there was +>still some shred of the America I grew up with, and loved, left +>alive. I was wrong. The Nazis have won. + +You are wrong. Thank goodness. I would suggest, however, that you take +a deep breath, and wait 30 minutes or so before posting. Also make sure +your facts are correct before making your allegations(sp.). + +>I REPEAT, AS OF THIS TIME THERE ARE **NO SURVIVORS**! + +You repeated wrong. There were 9. + +>God help us all. + +God help the Branch Davidians. + +>PLEASE CROSSPOST -- DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THE SLAUGHTER OF THE CHILDREN! + +NO DON'T!!!! THERE IS WAY TOO MUCH OF THIS CRAP BEING CROSSPOSTED ALL OVER +CREATION AS IT IS!!!!!! + +-- +<><><><><><><><><><> Personal opinions? Why, <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> +<> BRENT IRVINE <> yes. What did you think <> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu <> +<><><><><><><><><><> they were?....... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> +",16 +7815,"From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) +Subject: Selective Placebo +X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70) +Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario. +Lines: 34 + + From: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes: + +JB> RR> ""I don't doubt that the placebo effect is alive and well with +JB> RR> EVERY medical modality - estimated by some to be around 20+%, +JB> RR> but why would it be higher with alternative versus conventional +JB> RR> medicine?"" +JB> +JB> Because most the the time, closer to 90% in my experience, there is no +JB> substance to the 'alternative' intervention beyond the good intentions of the +JB> practitioner, which in itself is quite therapeutic. [.......] +JB> +JB> John Badanes, DC, CA +JB> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu + + Well, if that's the case in YOUR practice, I have a hard time + figuring out how you even managed to make it into the bottom half + of your class, or did you create your diplomas with crayons? + + If someone runs a medical practice with only a 10% success rate, + they either tackle problems for which they are not qualified to + treat, or they have no conscience and are only in business for + fraudulent purposes. + + OTOH, who are we kidding, the New England Medical Journal in 1984 + ran the heading: ""Ninety Percent of Diseases are not Treatable by + Drugs or Surgery,"" which has been echoed by several other reports. + No wonder MDs are not amused with alternative medicine, since + the 20% magic of the ""placebo effect"" would award alternative + practitioners twice the success rate of conventional medicine... + + --Ron-- +--- + RoseReader 2.00 P003228: Purranoia: the fear your cat is up to something + RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363 +",13 +9109,"From: k053730@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Philip G. Sells) +Subject: Hebrew grammar texts--choose English or German? +Organization: Kalamazoo College Alumni Association +Lines: 28 + +Greetings, + +Probably a tired old horse, but... maybe with a slightly different +twist. I wanted to know if there are any good English-language texts +for learning ancient Hebrew, and how these compare with German +educational texts qualitywise, if anybody has an idea. I can't figure +out if I should buy one here for later study or wait until I get back to +the U.S. + +Something I find interesting about studying theology in Germany is the +fact that the students get their ancient language-learning out of the +way early [I'm not a theology student, but I spend a lot of time with +such folks] in their careers. They take the first two years or so to just +do Greek and Latin and Hebrew [possibly Aramaic, too--who knows]. +What's it like at divinity schools or seminaries in the States? Is +there a lot of language instruction done? I really don't have a basis +for comparison. + +Regards, Phil +-- +Philip Sells Is anything too hard for the LORD? +k053730@hobbes.kzoo.edu --Gen. 18:14 + +[For better of worse, we don't have the tradition of classical +education in the U.S., so generally if a seminary believes students +should know Greek, they have to teach it. It's common for seminaries +to require at least a semester each of Hebrew and Greek, though of +course more is required for serious scholarship. --clh] +",15 +8289,"From: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra) +Subject: Re: Clementine name +Reply-To: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe +Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. +Lines: 21 +Nntp-Posting-Host: signal.ece.clarkson.edu + +In article F00001@permanet.org, Mark.Prado@p2.f349.n109.z1.permanet.org (Mark Prado) writes: +>Please go just one step further: +>How has the word ""Clementine"" been associated with mining? +> + +Could be the (folk?) song ""Clementine"". If memory serves, part of it goes: + + In a cavern, by a canyon, + Excavating for a mine, + Dwelt a miner, forty-niner, + and his daughter, Clementine. + +Anyone who watched Huckleberry Hound can sing you the chorus :-) +Is there a story/real person behind the song? + ++========================================================================+ +| dwight tuinstra best: tuinstra@sandman.ece.clarkson.edu | +| tolerable: tuinstrd@craft.camp.clarkson.edu | +| | +| ""Homo sapiens: planetary cancer?? ... News at six"" | ++========================================================================+ +",14 +9516,"From: earlw@apple.com (Earl Wallace) +Subject: Re: My Gun is like my.... +Organization: . +Lines: 10 +NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com + +In article <1993Apr16.194708.13273@vax.oxford.ac.uk> jaj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes: + >What all you turkey pro-pistol and automatic weapons fanatics don't seem to + >realize is that the rest of us *laugh* at you. You don't make me angry, you + >just make me chuckle - I remeber being in Bellingham, Washington and seeing a + >... + +You consider laughing at others civilized behavior? What was I supposed to +learn from your article? Treat people like dogs? + +I am not impressed by your attitude. +",16 +10921,"From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) +Subject: Re: Clinton caves in: reduces jobs bill +Summary: Too good to be true, evidently. +Organization: ACME Products +Lines: 18 + +In article <1993Apr16.131615.8661@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes: +> Clinton has backed off from the $16 billion jobs bill. +> +> Word is he's paring it down to the core: jobless benefits, money for +> creating full time jobs (ie, no summer jobs money). +> +> Chalk one up for holding the line on spending. + + It seems radio reports were overly optimistic. All Clinton wants to +cut is $2.5 Billion for community block grants, keeping in summer jobs. + + Hmmm, well, looks like we need to keep up the pressure on our +congresspersons. + +Brett +________________________________________________________________________________ + ""There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an +intellectual conviction."" Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert. +",18 +5347,"From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) +Subject: Re: Rockies (not Rookies) +Article-I.D.: pegasus.steph.733996812 +Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL +Lines: 19 + +In dbl50872@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Brian Lake) writes: + +>You'd think that an expansion team would be filled with young'ns, not guys +>like Murphy, Galaragga, B Smith... + +It depends. If you can get your old veterans cheap, and if they can perform +at a higher level than your young talent can *now*, why not the talent +develop in the minors while giving the fans some familiar names to cheer. +If the veterans are gone in a year or two -- that should be just about right. + +>Maybe someone should tell those renegade front office people in Denver. :) + +Open question -- which was more important to the expansion clubs, the expansion +draft or the regular draft. (They've had one of each, I think.) +-- +Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic + + ""It is considered good to look wise, especially when not + overburdened with information"" -- J. Golden Kimball +",9 +9967,"From: mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon) +Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) +Nntp-Posting-Host: herky.cs.uiowa.edu +Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA +Lines: 63 + +From article <1993Apr15.092101@IASTATE.EDU>, by tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan): +> Well, Panos, Mr. Tamamidis?, the way you put it it is only the Turks +> who bear the responsibility of the things happening today. That is hard to +> believe for somebody trying to be objective. +> When it comes to conflicts like our countries having you cannot +> blame one side only, there always are bad guys on both sides. +> What were you doing on Anatolia after the WW1 anyway? +> Do you think it was your right to be there? + +There were a couple millions of Greeks living in Asia Minor until 1923. +Someone had to protect them. If not us who?? + +> I am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only +> not one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering. +> It is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise. +> I remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the +> visa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it +> was a positive attempt to make the relations better. +> +Compromise on what, the invasion of Cyprus, the involment of Turkey in +Greek politics, the refusal of Turkey to accept 12 miles of territorial +waters as stated by international law, the properties of the Greeks of +Konstantinople, the ownership of the islands in the Greek lake,sorry, Aegean. + +There are some things on which there can not be a compromise. + + +> The Greeks I mentioned who wouldn't talk to me are educated +> people. They have never met me but they know! I am bad person +> because I am from Turkey. Politics is not my business, and it is +> not the business of most of the Turks. When it comes to individuals +> why the hatred? + +Any person who supports the policies of the Turkish goverment directly or +indirecly is a ""bad"" person. +It is not your nationality that makes you bad, it is your support of the +actions of your goverment that make you ""bad"". +People do not hate you because of who you are but because of what you +are. You are a supporter of the policies of the Turkish goverment and +as a such you must pay the price. + +> So that makes me think that there is some kind of +> brainwashing going on in Greece. After all why would an educated person +> treat every person from a nation the same way? can you tell me about your +> history books and things you learn about Greek-Turkish +> encounters during your schooling. +> take it easy! +> +> -- +> Tankut Atan +> tankut@iastate.edu +> +> ""Achtung, baby!"" + +You do not need brainwashing to turn people against the Turks. Just talk to +Greeks, Arabs, Slavs, Kurds and all other people who had the luck to be under +Turkish occupation. +They will talk to you about murders,rapes,distruction. + +You do not learn about Turks from history books, you learn about them from +people who experienced first hand Turkish friendliness. + +Napoleon +",17 +10341,"From: sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal) +Subject: Re: Freedom In U.S.A. +Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories +Lines: 51 + +In article <1993Apr25.221603.3260@Virginia.EDU>, ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: +> jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu writes: +> > Dear Mr. Beyer: +> > +> > It is never wise to confuse ""freedom of speech"" with ""freedom"" +> > of racism and violent deragatory."" +> > +> > It is unfortunate that many fail to understand this crucial +> > distinction. +> +> In fact, if a speach was not offensive to some, its +> protection under Freedom of speach laws would be useless. It is +> speach that some find questionable that must be protected, be +> it religiously blasphemous or inherently racist. It is only +> through civilized discourse and not scare tactics that one can +> enlighten those that one perceives to be ignorant. That is the +> idea behind freedom of expression. +> What you find offensive might be perceived as truth by +> some and what they might find offensive might be your belief. +> It is only through free exchange of ideas (and insults as the +> case seems to be with this channel) that one can change +> another's erring ways.That is why Jefferson said that here +> we are not afraid to ""tolerate error so long as reason is left to +> combat it"". + +Those who forward offensive posts to the sysadmin aren't curtailing +anyones' freedom of speech. The neo-nazi movement has a right to +make speeches, say anything they want. They do not have a right +to have these speeches published by the N.Y. Times. That depends +on the Times analysis of the economic and to somewhat extent +newsworthy value of those speeches. Likewise to the sysadmin +of this fellows system. If he feels his resources are being +used in a manner that is not in his best interests, or are +perhaps embarassing to his organization, he will act just as +the New York Times does, not to be a conduit for these ideas. +The poster is after all free-loading off of someone else's +pocket book when he posts. He who controls the purse strings +has the right to make the decision how he wants those funds +spent or not spent. + +Noone is going to put the poster in jail, unless he bombs a local +building as a symbol of his hatred. Freedom of Speech in no +way equates to accessibility to conduits of information. The +market of ideas has its own ""natural selection"" process that +weeds out the ga-ga from the credible ideas that are of +importance. + + + Seth Rosenthal + +Disclaimer: All opinions are my own not my employers'. +",17 +601,"From: lcd@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Leon Dent) +Subject: Re: MPEG for x-windows MONO needed. +Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI +Lines: 20 +NNTP-Posting-Host: umcc.umcc.umich.edu + +On sunsite.unc.edu in pub/multimedia/utilities/unix find + mpeg_play-2.0.tar.Z. + +I find for mono it works best as mpeg_play -dither threshold + though you can use mpeg_play -dither mono + +Face it, this is not be the best viewing situation. + +Also someone has made a patch for mpeg_play that gives two more mono +modes (mono2 and halftone). + +They are by jan@pandonia.canberra.edu.au (Jan Newmarch). +And the patch can be found on csc.canberra.edu.au (137.92.1.1) under +/pub/motif/mpeg2.0.mono.patch. + + +Leon Dent +lcd@umcc.umich.edu + + +",1 +6694,"From: bear@kestrel.fsl.noaa.gov (Bear Giles) +Subject: Re: Why the clipper algorithm is secret +Organization: Forecast Systems Labs, NOAA, Boulder, CO USA +Lines: 25 + +In article dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam) writes: +> The algorithm is classified because a military contract (or similar +>government equivalent to military) has been let for this ""proprietary"" +>design that the Feds say that NSA developed. Is there a patent? Is that +>patent publicly available? My betting is that that too is classified. + +Unless there has been a _major_ change in the law, there's no such beast +as a ""classified patent."" Patents exist to encourage communications and +develop the state of the art. + +(The 17-year lock is a nuisance, but historically has been pretty trivial. +It's only in an industry which doubles performance every three years (or +18 months, for some hardware) that 17 years is an eternity). + +The same thing applies in civilian development: you can't patent something +_and_ declare it a ""trade secret."" However, you can (and should) mark all +software (including proprietary code) ""unpublished copyright"" so that it +ever does get exposed you still have some legal protection. + +(Post-Berne this isn't required, since everything is ""born copyrighted."" +But it takes a while for people to learn the new rules). + +-- +Bear Giles +bear@fsl.noaa.gov +",11 +3456,"From: radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Keith Radley) +Subject: Electronics +Summary: here they are +Nntp-Posting-Host: gibbs.oit.unc.edu +Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill +Distribution: usa +Lines: 20 + + +Panasonic KX-T3000H, Combo black cordless & speaker phone all in one. + new- $160, now- $100 + shipping OBO. + +Curtis Mathes VHS VCR Remote included and it works with universal remotes. + Works great but I replaced it with a Stereo VCR. + paid $300 years ago, will sell for $125 delivered OBO. + +Radio Shack stereo amp. 2 inputs, tone, and left and right volume. Speakers + not included. $20 plus shipping. + +If you are interested in either of the above mail me at + radley@gibbs.out.unc.edu. + + _ + _ // Major: Computer Science / +Subject: Re: An Anecdote about Islam +In-Reply-To: <1pqfic$9s2@fido.asd.sgi.com> +Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 +Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa +X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3) +Lines: 32 + +>DATE: 5 Apr 1993 23:32:28 GMT +>FROM: Jon Livesey +> +>In article <114127@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: +>|> +>|> I don't understand the point of this petty sarcasm. It is a basic +>|> principle of Islam that if one is born muslim or one says ""I testify +>|> that there is no god but God and Mohammad is a prophet of God"" that, +>|> so long as one does not explicitly reject Islam by word then one _must_ +>|> be considered muslim by all muslims. So the phenomenon you're attempting +>|> to make into a general rule or psychology is a direct odds with basic +>|> Islamic principles. If you want to attack Islam you could do better than +>|> than to argue against something that Islam explicitly contradicts. +> +>Then Mr Mozumder is incorrect when he says that when committing +>bad acts, people temporarily become atheists? +> +>jon. + +Of course B.M. is not incorrect. He is defending Islam. When defending +Islam against infidels you can say anything and no one will dare criticize +you. But when an atheist uses the same argument he is using ""petty sarcasm"". So +B.M. can have his ""temporary atheists"" whenever he needs them and all the +""temporary atheists"" can later say that they were always good Muslims because +they never explicitly rejected Islam. + +Temporary atheism, temporary Islam, temporary marriage. None of it sticks. +A teflon religion. How convenient. And so easy to clean up after. But +then, what would you expect from a bunch of people who can't even agree on +the phases of the moon? + + +",0 +9794,"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) +Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption +Organization: DSI/USCRPAC +Distribution: na +Lines: 11 + + +Though I agree this is not the place to discuss guns, I note in passing that +a number of gun apologists seem to have ignored the words ""well regulated"" +in their distorted interpretations of the Second Amendment. + +David +-- +David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of + our information, errors and omissions excepted. + + +",16 +4902,"From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) +Subject: Re: LONG TRIPS +Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. +Lines: 27 +Nntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu + +In article <18859.1076.uupcb@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> mark.harrison@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Harrison) writes: +>I am new to motorcycliing (i.e. Don't even have a bike yet) and will be +>going on a long trip from Edmonton to Vancouver. Any tips on bare +>essentials for the trip? Tools, clothing, emergency repairs...? + +Er, without a bike (Ed, maybe you ought to respond to this...), how +you gonna get there? + +If yer going by cage, what's this got to do with r.m? + +> +>I am also in the market for a used cycle. Any tips on what to look for +>so I don't get burnt? +> +>Much appreciated +>Mark +> + +Maybe somebody oughta gang-tool-FAQ this guy, hmmm? + + + +-- +Andy Infante | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains | +'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself. | +DoD #2426 | -- Joan Sutherland | +==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!! | +",8 +6516,"From: ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng) +Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords +Organization: Private Computer, Totowa, NJ +Lines: 21 + +In article <1993Apr16.165423.27204@linus.mitre.org: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes: +:Judge: ""I grant you immunity from whatever may be learned from the key +: itself"" +:You: ""The keyphrase is: ""I confess to deliberately evading copyright; +: the file encoded with this keyphrase contains illegal scans of +: copyrighted Peanuts strips."""" +:Judge and CP: ""Oh."" +: How will they get you now? I'm not saying that they won't, or +:can't (or even that they shouldn't :-), but what legal mechanism will +:they use? Should we be crossposting this to misc.legal? + +Hm, could another court try you via a bypass of the double jeopardy amendment +like they are doing in the LAPD trial? Ie your judge is a state judge, and +then a federal judge retries you under the justification that its not the +same trail. + +-- +Kenneth Ng +Please reply to ken@blue.njit.edu for now. +""All this might be an elaborate simulation running in a little device sitting +on someone's table"" -- J.L. Picard: ST:TNG +",11 +1817,"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) +Subject: Re: Heatsink needed +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) +Lines: 9 +NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu + + +Andrew, +You can get the heat sinks at Digi-Key 1-800-344-4539 part #HS157-ND +$4.10 size 1.89""L x 1.89""W x .600""H comes with clips to install it. +But if it was me I would get a $12.99 small fan from Radio Shack +and install it where it could just blow at the cpu instead...Sam +-- +Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6... +Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH... +",3 +4550,"From: smith@ctron.com (Lawrence C Smith) +Subject: Re: MR2 - noisy engine. +Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc. +Lines: 16 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: smith@ctron.com +NNTP-Posting-Host: glinda.ctron.com + +In article , eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes: + +>if the noise really bugs you, there is nothing else that you can do +>except to sell it and get a V6. + +Perhaps a nice used '88 Pontiac Fiero GT? 2.8 liters. + +Does anyone know if the motor mounts for the 2.8 and the twin-dual-cam 3.4 +liter match? The 3.4 is supposedly derived from the pushrod 3.1, which was +a punched out 2.8 liter. Should be a drop-in replacement, eh? 205 horses in +a mid-engine the size of a Fiero? + +Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com) No, I don't speak for Cabletron. Need you ask? +- +Liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want, +it is the freedom to do whatever we are able. +",7 +434,"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) +Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam +Distribution: world,public +Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau +Lines: 19 + +In article <115437@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) wrote: +> As I have stated on a parallel thread, I am not an anarchist, nor is +> Islam anarchist. Therefore the UK should have control over itself. +> However, this does not change the fact that it is possible for citizens +> of the UK residing within the UK to be in violation of Islamic law. + +This is an interesting notion -- and one I'm scared of. In my +case I'm a Finnish citizen, I live in USA, and I have to conform +to the US laws. However, the Finnish government is not actively +checking out what I'm doing in this country, in other words checking +out if I conform to the Finnish laws. + +However, Islamic law seems to be a 'curse' that is following you +everywhere in the world. Shades of 1984, eh? + +Cheers, +Kent +--- +sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. +",0 +5965,"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) +Subject: Re: Washington To Beat Pitt +Article-I.D.: netnews.120664 +Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences +Lines: 32 +Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu + +In article galvint@cs.nps.navy.mil (thomas galvin) writes: +>In article <93105.052120RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Robbie Po writes: +>>In article <1993Apr14.015415.10176@mprgate.mpr.ca>, tasallot@galaxy.mpr.ca +>>(Mathew Tasalloti) says: +>>>chances this year), but it seems to me like Washington is the ONLY +>>>team that can stop the Penguins from winning their next Stanley Cup. +>> +>> Really? I think both the Islanders and Devils would have a better chance +>>at the Penguins than the Capitals, IMO. +> +>Really? What makes you think the Islanders have a better shot? They +>couldn't even beat the Whalers in two games! + +Yes, but as has been mentioned many times before, the Islanders play at +the talent level of their opponent. Since Hartford is pitiful, the +Islanders played pitiful. Since Pittsburgh is great, the Isles will most +likely play great. This is most likely due to inexperience and very poor +shooting. To Greg: yes, I have noticed that the Islanders couldn't hit +the broad side of a barn with the puck if they were two feet in front of +it. Does anyone have shooting percentages? I don't know if that would +help, since they often miss the net completely, but it might shed some +light on the subject. + +And, my playoff pool is running!!! Exact rules to be posted tomorrow, but +don't hesitate to send in picks!!! + +-- + Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! + LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! + kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! + + ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" +",10 +3571,"From: cbray@uafhp..uark.edu (Chris Bray) +Subject: Cassettes for Sale!!! (Update) +Organization: Kansas State University +Lines: 23 +NNTP-Posting-Host: uafhp.uark.edu +Summary: Tapes for sale... +Keywords: tapes, sale, sell + +Hi there again... +I still have a few tapes left... + +As before they are $2.50 each (postage paid). +Multiple orders appreciated, but not necessary... +Package deals welcome... + +Thanks... +Chris Bray + +Lewis, Huey|Sports +Hooters|Nervous Night +Poison|Look What the Cat Dragged In +Hall & Oates|Big Bam Boom +Ratt|Out of the Cellar +Quiet Riot|Condition Critical +Seger, Bob|Like a Rock +Outfield|Play Deep +Plant, Robert|Shaken n' Stirred +Journey|Raised on Radio +Duran Duran|Duran Duran +Duran Duran|Arena +Duran Duran|Rio +",6 +4653,"From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) +Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries +Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View +Lines: 32 + +}>More like those who use their backs instead of their minds to make +}>their living who are usually ignorant and intolerant of anything outside +}>of their group or level of understanding. + +There seems to be some confusion between rednecks and white trash. +The confusion is understandable, as there is substantial overlap +between the two sets. Let me see if I can clarify: + +Rednecks: Primarily use their backs instead of their minds to make a + living. Usually somewhat ignorant (by somebody's standards, + anyway) because they have never held education above basic + reading/writing/math skills to be that important to their + eventual vocation. Note I did not say stupid, just ignorant. + (They might be stupid, but then so are some high percentage + of any group). + +White trash: ""White trash fit the stereotype referred to by the + word 'nigger' better than any black person I ever met, only + with the added 'bonus' that white trash are mean as hell."" + -- my father. Genuinely lazy (not just out of work or under- + qualified), good-for-nothing, dishonest, white people who are + mean as snakes. The ""squeal like a pig"" boys in _Deliverance_ + may or may not have been rednecks, but they were sure as hell + white trash. + +White trash are assuredly intolerant of anything outside of their +group or level of understanding. Rednecks may or may not be. +-- +Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650 +DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix ""Studley Doright"" '92 Collie/Golden ""George"" +""There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom + in the guise of public safety."" -- Thomas Jefferson +",8 +1300,"From: dsiegel@optima.cs.arizona.edu (Seagull) +Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? +Lines: 54 + + +>> The RISC means ""reduced instruction set computer"". The RISC usually has +>>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase +>>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about +>>computer architecture for more information about RISC. +> hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember +> reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large. +> The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not +> as orthogonal is CISC. + +There are some things you might be interested to know about today's RISC +processors. It is true that there are fewer instructions, but what is +not commonly known is that this causes the size of your executables to +swell, so that in some cases performance is similar for larger applications. +As a compromise, many RISC processors today are actually a cross between +a Reduced Instructions Set, and a Complex one. + +This is not to say that there is no future in CISC processors, Intel has +certainly proved that. + +What I want to know, is what does this have to do with this group? + +-dave + + + +Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? +Newsgroups: comp.unix.dos-under-unix,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.net,comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.apps.spreadsheets,comp.misc,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,man.linux +References: <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> + +From article <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au>, by eugene@mpce.mq.edu.au: +> In article ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes: +>> +>>Dear friend, +>> The RISC means ""reduced instruction set computer"". The RISC usually has +>>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase +>>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about +>>computer architecture for more information about RISC. +> +> hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember +> reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large. +> The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not +> as orthogonal is CISC. +> +> -- +> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +> | Some people say it's fun, but I think it's very serious. | +> | eugene@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au | +> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +-- +Dave Siegel (DS4) +President, RTD Systems and Networking, Inc. +President, UofAz Hardware And Computing Knowledge Society (HACKS) +dsiegel@cs.arizona.edu **** dsiegel@hacks.arizona.edu **** dsiegel@rtd.com +",2 +3229,"From: rps@arbortext.COM (Ralph Seguin) +Subject: NumLock masking? interference with Meta/Compose/ExtendChar, ... +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 17 +To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu + +> My question is this: Is there a means of determining what the state +> of CapsLock and/or NumLock is? + +Alright. Ignore this. I have delved a bit deeper (XKeyEvent) and +found what I was looking for. + +ev->state has a bunch of masks to check against (LockMask is the one +for CapsLock). Unfortunately, it appears that the NumLock mask varies +from server to server. How does one tell what mask is numlock and +which are for Meta (Mod1Mask, Mod2Mask, Mod3Mask, Mod4Mask, Mod5Mask). +eg, SGI's vendor server has Mod2Mask being NumLock, whereas Solaris +1.0.1 OpenWindows 3.0 has Mod3Mask for NumLock. Is there an +unambiguous means of determining NumLock's mask at runtime for any +given server? Sorry for the wasted bandwidth and my appalling ignorance. + + Thanks, Ralph + +",5 +4087,"From: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) +Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired) +Organization: Software Metrics Inc. +Distribution: na +Lines: 19 + +CHINTS@ISCS.NUS.SG writes: +> Here are ""another"" ten reasons why we should all love CR +> 10. Car salesmen love their new car buying service +> [...] +> 7. Car Salesmen/rec.auto readers turned into ""expert"" statistics critics +> [...] +> 5. Lucky owners of CR unreliable cars who say ""Mine never had a problem"" +> 4. Those same owners joining the sceptics a few months later +> 3. And later subscribing to CR and taking it soooo seriously +> 2. And later on buying a CR ""idealized family sedan"" + +And my number 1: + +1. The spectacle of the religious fervour of the CR ""true believers"". + +-- +[ /tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ] +[ ""stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth. now pull ] +[ up. that's how the corrado makes you feel."" -- car, january '93 ] +",7 +3895,"From: vsloutsk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Vladimir Sloutsky) +Subject: Apartment for Rent in Russia +Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu +Organization: The Ohio State University +Lines: 14 + + Apartment for rent in downtown Moscow!!! + +2- room furnished apartment in a very nice location. 5 minutes walk to +Belorusskaya subway station. Walking distance to Kremlin, major shopping +centers, theaters, restaurants, and government buildings. + +Available in early June. + +Please, call: + +(614)-459-4256 + +or send E-mail: +vsloutsk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu +",6 +775,"From: sasst11+@pitt.edu (Scott A Snowiss) +Subject: IMAGINE +Organization: University of Pittsburgh +Lines: 16 + +Hello again netters, + I finally received the information about Imagine for the PC. They are presently shipping Version 2.0 of the software and will release Version 3.0 in the first quarter of 1993 (or so they say). The upgrade from 2.0 to 3.0 is $100.00. To purchase Imagine 2.0, it costs $495.00 or if you are upgrading from another eligible (call them for info) modeler, it is only $200.00 plus shipping & handling. It requires a PC with 4 Megs a Math Coprocessor, and Dos 5.0 or up and a Microsoft Mouse and SVGA card. + Thanks for all your replies about the product. I have received many contrasting replies, but once I scrounge the money together, I think I will take the plunge. Thanks again. + Here is the info for Impulse if you want to find out more or get the sheet they sent. + Impulse Inc. + 8416 Xerxes Avenue North + Minneapolis, MN 55444 + 1-800-328-0184 + +Thanks again for all your replies. +Scott +-- +Scott Snowiss +sasst11+@.pitt.edu + +--Turn on...Jack in...Jack out... +",1 +8422,"From: ghasting@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (George Hastings) +Subject: Re: Soviet space book +Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond) +Lines: 13 + + I have received my copies of Cosmonautics 1990 and +Cosmonautics 1991, as well as Soviet Space 1990 and Space +Station [MIR] Handbook from Aerospace Ambassadors with no +problem. + I'm getting ready to FAX them some material in Huntsville, +and I'll include a printout of your inquiry. + ____________________________________________________________ +| George Hastings ghasting@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu | +| Space Science Teacher 72407.22@compuserve.com | If it's not +| Mathematics & Science Center STAREACH BBS: 804-343-6533 | FUN, it's +| 2304 Hartman Street OFFICE: 804-343-6525 | probably not +| Richmond, VA 23223 FAX: 804-343-6529 | SCIENCE! + ------------------------------------------------------------ +",14