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"text": " This is the BBC."
},
{
"start": 17.0,
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"text": " Hello and welcome to Podcasting House."
},
{
"start": 19.0,
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"text": " If this is your first time listening, here's what we're doing."
},
{
"start": 22.0,
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"text": " Twice a week, we bring you a new BBC podcast."
},
{
"start": 24.0,
"end": 26.0,
"text": " We think it's worth checking out."
},
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"end": 29.0,
"text": " If you like it, you can search for it and subscribe to it."
},
{
"start": 29.0,
"end": 31.0,
"text": " As always, I'm joined by Rianne."
},
{
"start": 31.0,
"end": 33.0,
"text": " What are we listening to today?"
},
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"end": 37.0,
"text": " I'm taking you to a new place today, Eli, and it's called Grown Up Land."
},
{
"start": 37.0,
"end": 38.0,
"text": " I don't want to go."
},
{
"start": 38.0,
"end": 40.0,
"text": " So many of us don't."
},
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"start": 40.0,
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"text": " Somehow we end up there."
},
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"text": " It's a new podcast from Radio 4."
},
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"text": " And it imagines Radio 4 as a land of Grown Up and is trying to help"
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"text": " would be Grown Up's end to that land, with offering advice,"
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"start": 52.0,
"end": 55.0,
"text": " but we're in the company of a panel of three comedians"
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"text": " with extra guests popping in, a great new sort of perspective"
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"text": " from a guy called Stephen Alley who you won't have heard of."
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"text": " He's a refugee from Damascus who spent time in Calais jungle"
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"text": " and is now doing some stand-up comedy in the UK."
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"text": " And they're all part of this wonderful mix that takes a theme"
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"text": " from adulthood and impacts it and explores it."
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"text": " The first one I've got for you is about tattoos"
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"text": " and whether tattoos are a good idea or not."
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"start": 83.0,
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"text": " Nothing more grown up than getting a good tattoo."
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"start": 85.0,
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"text": " Alright, great."
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"start": 87.0,
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"text": " Well, let's give it a listen."
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"start": 88.0,
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"text": " Grown Up Land."
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"text": " When I grow up, I wouldn't get a real tattoo,"
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"text": " but I might get a tattoo that can stay for like a month."
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"text": " When I grow up, I think if it's those tattoos that you can't get off,"
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"text": " no, because I like to keep my skin nice and fresh."
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"text": " If I had to get a tattoo, I would get a cat one"
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"text": " because I've got cats at home."
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"text": " If I had to get any tattoo in the world,"
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"text": " it'll probably be a green and brown palm tree."
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"text": " If I had to get any tattoo, I would get a bat"
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"text": " like, I'm not sure why."
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"text": " You can't do this."
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"text": " Take some time on my own with you, with you, with you, with you."
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"text": " Welcome to Grown Up Land from BBC Radio 4"
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"text": " with me, May Martin, Bishakai Ali, and Ned Sedwick."
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"text": " And later we'll hear from Steve Ali,"
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"text": " the man who'll put it all into perspective."
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"text": " And this week, we are looking at tattoos."
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"text": " Oh!"
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"text": " Wow."
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"text": " Do you have tattoos, guys?"
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"text": " I have zero tattoos."
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"text": " I'm going to sound my controversy claxon"
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"text": " one of my favorite generalization grenades."
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"text": " I don't think tattoos on white men look good."
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"text": " I think they look try hard and lame."
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"text": " How outrageous claims."
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"text": " Have you seen David Beckham?"
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"text": " I have."
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"text": " He married the worst spice girl."
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"text": " Incorrect."
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"text": " We're going to have a huge..."
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"text": " Posh spice, so you're..."
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"text": " No, I'm just saying we shouldn't be grading the spice girls."
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"text": " They're all about girl power and collaboration working together."
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"text": " You're out here being like, truth or worst spice girl."
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"text": " Fair enough."
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"text": " Thank you."
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"text": " And she also, I'm going to double down on what May said."
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"text": " Have you seen David Beckham's like full?"
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"text": " Exception that proves the rule."
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"text": " Have you ever been to Chiang Mai in Thailand?"
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"text": " Shut up, Ned."
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"text": " Okay."
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"text": " Have you ever been to Malia in Crete?"
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"text": " No."
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"text": " Have you ever been to White Beefer?"
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"text": " Have you sexed hard in Ibiza?"
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"text": " No."
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"text": " Well, when you haven't seen,"
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"text": " steroid it up white men with tribal tattoos,"
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"text": " which is probably cultural appropriation,"
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"text": " just smeared across them."
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"text": " But looking like..."
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"text": " Smeared, mead."
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"text": " You feel like you know zero things about how tattoos are applied."
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"text": " So, Ned, I take it, you have no tattoos."
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"text": " No, I don't."
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"text": " I actually really want to get a tattoo,"
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"text": " How close do we have to be for you to get a friendship tattoo with me?"
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"text": " We haven't known each other that long, but..."
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"text": " I would consider it after two months, I'd say."
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"start": 282.0,
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"text": " Two more months."
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"text": " We're approaching, oh two more months."
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"text": " Yeah, I get it on my foot if that's OK."
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"start": 287.0,
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"text": " You're right."
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"start": 288.0,
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"text": " So, this is my problem."
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"text": " I have loads of tattoos that I regret."
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"text": " I have like..."
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"text": " Some that I have about 15 tattoos."
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"text": " I got them all between the ages of like 16 and 18."
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"text": " where I got the tattoo and then my friends checking out."
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"text": " It's like the kiss of death for a friendship, too."
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"text": " Are you still friends with them?"
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"text": " No, not really."
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"text": " Have you tried to make friends with the same name?"
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"text": " Just so you're like, well, this is going to waste otherwise."
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"text": " That's such a good idea."
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"text": " I'm trying to find someone called Sabrina Jelise, the very specific."
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " Did you have any of their names tattooed on to you?"
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"text": " Yes, like I have her signature, my friend Sabrina."
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"text": " Martin, what?"
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"text": " I know."
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"start": 328.0,
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"text": " And the problem is her signature looks exactly like..."
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"text": " Sean John, puffed-daddies."
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"text": " So it looks like I'm just branded with Sean John."
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"text": " That's amazing."
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"text": " Why don't you have any, Pishin?"
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"text": " I've always been a scaredy-cat and I was raised by people who were like tattoos of a Satan."
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"text": " So obviously I really wanted one because I was deep into Satan."
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"text": " But then I kind of aged out of like the fearless zone."
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"text": " And then I aged out of that."
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"text": " And then we were supposed to, for our anniversary last year,"
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"text": " both go out and get tattoos."
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"text": " Oh, you and you and your husband?"
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"text": " Yeah, yeah."
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"text": " For our one year anniversary, we used to go out and get tattoos."
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"text": " And then on the day I chickened out."
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"text": " And I was like, I don't want to see my body."
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"text": " And give me a tattoo."
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"text": " And so he just got a tattoo of like a band."
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"text": " I think that was part of that story."
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"start": 376.0,
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"text": " You guys need to tattoo each other."
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"text": " I think that would be romantic."
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"text": " That would be so cute."
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"text": " I do not trust."
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"start": 380.0,
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"text": " No."
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"text": " I have given a tattoo."
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"text": " I could do it for you."
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"text": " I've done it with a needle and a big pen."
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"text": " Wait, a needle and a bit."
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"text": " Were you in prison?"
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"text": " No, I was at a dinner party."
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"text": " I was at a dinner party and things got out of hand."
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"text": " What?"
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"text": " I mean, that is an out of hand dinner."
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"text": " Well, and dinner party gets out of hand for me."
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"text": " We crack into their parents' port."
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"text": " Like we do."
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"text": " You have piercing stuff."
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"start": 404.0,
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " I have a nose ring and I have my ears pierced."
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"text": " And I debated getting the nose ring for ages."
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"text": " And I kept looking at photos of you Google nose rings."
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"text": " I kept looking at the image page."
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"text": " And if you look at close-up shots of loads of pierced noses."
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"text": " Oh, it's weird."
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"text": " It doesn't look good."
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"text": " Without the face, you just said no."
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"text": " Yeah, just like tight nose shots."
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"text": " Tight nose shots."
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"text": " And I was showing it to everybody like,"
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"text": " do you guys should get this?"
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"text": " Do you guys should get this?"
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"text": " No, this looks super weird, don't get it."
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"text": " But I did."
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"text": " Now everyone's like, I thought you always had that piercing."
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"text": " Yeah, it suits you."
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"text": " It really suits you."
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " Thanks very much."
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"text": " We'll put a picture up on the website so you can all brave me."
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"start": 437.0,
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " If you were to get a tattoo, what would you get?"
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"text": " What have you always wanted to get?"
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"text": " But you're like, people will judge me."
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"text": " I always really wanted to get some kind of bird."
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"text": " I wanted to get some of my favourite books growing up were His Dark Materials by Philip Paulman."
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"text": " Yes."
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"text": " I like some kind of artwork of like the three, like of the Elifio Amateur, the Golden"
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"text": " Kind of Dambas by glass."
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"start": 456.0,
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"text": " Great."
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"text": " That's so good."
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"text": " This might be the first thing we've all agreed on, by the way."
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"start": 460.0,
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"text": " We're all really into those books."
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"text": " I'm going to be craving my tattoos."
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"start": 463.0,
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"text": " Yes, so good."
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"text": " I've always wanted to get everything important to me tattooed in one place."
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"text": " Can I just say I got a tattoo which was the acronym Everything in the World?"
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"text": " I also wanted to get everything important to me tattooed."
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"text": " But so I got EITW for everything in the world."
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"text": " Is that what you mean?"
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"text": " You want to get the words everything important to me?"
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"text": " No, no, I want to get like literally a representation of everything."
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"text": " So again, England fat flag because..."
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"end": 493.0,
"text": " Wait, wait, wait."
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"end": 494.0,
"text": " St. George's a..."
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"text": " Yeah, I know in the current political climate."
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"end": 498.0,
"text": " It's not all right."
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"text": " But like, I just kind of, it's where I'm from."
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"text": " Yes, same with me."
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"text": " And then T.H.F.C. in each quadrant, the Tottenham Hotspur Football Club,"
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"text": " then a Lancashire rose in the middle because my mum's from Lancashire."
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"start": 511.0,
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"text": " Wow."
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"text": " And then eight scales of justice above it because..."
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"text": " You like that?"
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"text": " That was my house at school."
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"text": " Oh, like, with that context on a white man, this is like the most racist set of tattoos."
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{
"start": 521.0,
"end": 522.0,
"text": " Yeah."
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{
"start": 524.0,
"end": 525.0,
"text": " Yeah."
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"start": 525.0,
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"text": " And then I wanted a thunderbolt because I wanted to write about a comic character when I was a child"
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"text": " who had the ability to throw thunder and also I'd never forget your roots."
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"text": " Look, I support this. I think you should do it."
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"text": " I think the tattoos get a bad rap but this is a clip that I found about this trend"
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"text": " where fine artists are doing tattoos now."
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"text": " So really high class stuff."
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"text": " And I found a clip from a Radio 4 program called A Mortal Work of Art and it's with Mary Ann Hobbs."
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"text": " Tattooing is increasingly attracting fine artists who are drawn to its techniques"
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"text": " but want to break out of its traditions."
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"text": " New York-based tattooist Amanda Wacko is part of the latest generation"
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"text": " who've come into the industry with a fine art background."
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"text": " Her distinctive style of tattooing was initially inspired by the abstract expressionist Hans Hoffman."
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"text": " I was looking at his work and noticing that many of the shapes that he was working with on his canvases were square and rectangular."
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"text": " And I wondered if he were going to paint on a surface that wasn't a rectangle or a square."
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"text": " What would his shapes look like if he were going to say put a design on someone's skin?"
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"text": " And at that moment I had the idea that this would be possible to try with skin."
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"text": " I mean, my own tattoo artist in Canada from when I was a teenager had his own distinctive style, I'd say."
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"text": " His name was Doug. His style was misspelling to tattoos and then charging last for them because of the mistake."
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"text": " So he did loads of tattoos for me and they were all cost about $30, which is like 20 pounds."
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"text": " Tattoos aren't something you should try to get a good deal for, I think. You just pay the money."
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"text": " But I got the word peachy tattooed on me and he spelled it wrong."
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"text": " I mean I should have had a peachy."
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"text": " Peachy?"
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"text": " Oh, like old peachy."
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"text": " It's EY at the end and he spelled it i.e."
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"text": " I mean I would have spelled it neither of those waves."
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"text": " I really don't know why at the end. Peachy."
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"text": " Peachy, yeah."
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"text": " Why peachy? Go right out."
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"text": " I was dating someone and I called a peachy."
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"text": " I know. I know."
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"text": " I'm like I'm very romantic."
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"text": " What can I say?"
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"text": " I think a rule should be that the tattoo artist should google the thing before they do it."
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"text": " So I had, I was a teenager and I got this tattoo. It said I dig a pony."
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"text": " And it was, it's the name of a Beatles song and I was like this sums up all the Beatles message in one song."
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"text": " This is so beautiful this song."
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"text": " I was, and also I just got out of rehab."
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"text": " And I just got, I just stopped doing coke and I was like this song is about like being free of all your vices and stuff."
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"text": " So I got this tattoo. I dig a pony."
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"text": " And then I googled it like the next week."
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"text": " Turns out the first thing that comes up is John Lennon saying this is my least favorite song I ever wrote."
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"text": " It means nothing. It's garbage. I wish I could throw it in the bin."
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"text": " We all hate it. All the Beatles hated it. It's just a pile of poo."
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"text": " And then I found out that pony is a euphemism for cocaine."
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{
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"text": " Yeah. So I have a tattoo that says I dig cocaine."
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"text": " It was meant to be like a monument to the fact that I was not doing. Anyway, so that's, I think."
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"text": " Very different to my."
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"text": " But I do like in that clip."
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"text": " I like the idea that, that it can be a real piece of art."
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"text": " And I mean, it's just the opposite of mine, but I like that."
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"text": " So, Bisha, it's no secret to us that you live on the internet."
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"text": " And you've been on a fact-finding mission this week."
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"text": " What have you found out about tattoos? Do you have any interesting facts you can share with us?"
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"text": " I have so many facts for you. I'm so excited."
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"text": " I went on the Radio 4 website and I was looking around for more facts about tattoos."
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"text": " I found this clip and it's from the Listening Project."
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"text": " I want you to hear it and then I'll tell you a fact."
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"text": " This is a chat between mother and daughter, Lara and Maya."
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"text": " They're very close. Lara is a single mum to Maya and her older brother Kai."
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"text": " But the kids still see their dad and I say kids."
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"text": " But actually they aren't really kids anymore."
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"text": " You're only 14 now, so you've got a few years."
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"text": " But I suppose when you get a bit older it's your choice, isn't it?"
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"text": " Exactly."
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"text": " Well, I'm 16, I can get a set to pay us about information."
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"text": " So, do you think you will? Probably."
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"text": " Okay. Would you come to me and say to me, I'm going to go and get it done?"
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"text": " I'll tell you before."
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"text": " What if I said to you, no, you're not having it done."
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"text": " I don't want you to. When you're 16."
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"text": " I just disobey you."
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"text": " Would you? Yeah."
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"text": " Okay. Would you not take into account what I thought about it?"
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"text": " I would, but it's my decision really."
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"text": " I know what a dime I have pink."
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"text": " Is it just about being different then?"
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"text": " Yeah. I don't want any of the same as everybody else."
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"text": " It's stupid."
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"text": " Here's the thing with Lara and Maya, right?"
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"text": " So Lara's kind of frustrated with her daughter because she wants to go and go to her septum pierced,"
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"text": " which by the way, sounds very, very painful in my opinion."
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"text": " You can all differ later."
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"text": " So one of the facts that I found out was about one of the oldest mummies that has ever been dug up."
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"text": " Right? And his name was Otsi. He's an ancient iceman."
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"text": " And they discovered that he was covered in 50 plus tattoos."
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"text": " Right? 50 human tattoos."
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"text": " But here's the thing."
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"text": " Here's how they got stuff done back then."
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"text": " The tattoos were made by puncturing the skin and then rubbing charcoal into like just open wounds."
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"text": " Oh."
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"text": " That is a bad idea."
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"text": " Yeah. So come to a dinner party with me."
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"text": " What I'm trying to say is I think that Lara should be really grateful that we don't live in ancient times"
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"text": " and her daughter doesn't want to cut herself open and be covered in charcoal."
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"text": " It's a glass-helpful situation."
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"text": " I've got so many facts for you guys."
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"text": " I want to talk to you about Sailor's tattoos."
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"text": " So apparently all of the tattoos they had has special meanings."
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"text": " So if you had a dragon, it meant that you had been to China."
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"text": " Oh."
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"text": " Indeed."
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"text": " If you had King Neptune or a turtle, it meant that you'd sailed across the equator."
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"text": " Aha."
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"text": " So one thing they need to do, they would get pig and rooster tattoos on the bottom of their feet"
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"text": " to ward against drowning in case of a shipwreck."
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"text": " Not because those animals can swim, but because they were stored in buoyant crates that would usually survive any shipwreck."
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"text": " So I read about this once and one of the things that people think is also that because those animals can't swim,"
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"text": " they thought that God would take pity on like a rooster flapping around in the sea"
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"text": " and be more likely to save it than a man where he's like, just swim, mate."
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"text": " Here's a fact."
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"text": " Hmm."
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"text": " I don't know if there's a true for Doug, but your skin is preyed between 50 to 3,000 times a minute when you're getting tattooed."
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"text": " Yeah, you can feel it."
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"text": " It's like a very fast..."
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"text": " I've got a question."
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"text": " It feels good."
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"text": " No, I'm really betraying too much, but it's because adrenaline kicks in."
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"text": " And then you have all these mad hormones coursing through your body, so it's kind of a high, I think."
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"text": " So Ned, every week you go out into Grona planned and you complete a challenge related to our weekly topics."
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"text": " So what did you do this week?"
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"text": " I decided that I would do something very out of character."
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"text": " No, really?"
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " I'll just play you the clips of me freaking out."
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"text": " So I just got a phone to a couple of pierces."
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"text": " I'm just going to go and get a simple ear piercing, just walk in."
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"text": " A lot of people weren't okay with me recording it."
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"text": " Not really sure what they didn't want me recording."
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"text": " Anyway, I know most 13-year-old girls do this with no fear, but I am shitting myself."
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"text": " And I am not looking forward to it at all."
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"text": " All my love is a reaction."
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"text": " Guys, please."
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{
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"text": " Okay."
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"text": " So just enough to get my ear pierced."
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"text": " I didn't realise that I'd have to keep it into 46 weeks."
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"text": " So it'll be nice to explain to my parents and my girlfriend."
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"text": " But I'm sure I'll think it's already trendy."
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"text": " I'm just going to add journal."
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"text": " Okay."
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"text": " Mag just wiping my ears, which I really know what that is."
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"text": " Alcohol perhaps."
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{
"start": 1017.0,
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"text": " Okay."
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"text": " I'm going to show you a mirror as well."
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"text": " Can I have a look?"
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"text": " Okay, perfect."
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"text": " I'm not usually scared of needles, but for some reason this time I'm absolutely curious."
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"text": " That's a pinch."
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"text": " It's not really big."
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"text": " It's really quick as well."
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"text": " So I'm not worse."
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"text": " Just relax."
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"text": " I'll try."
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"text": " Can't feel them."
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"text": " Is them?"
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"text": " Is that it?"
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " How was it?"
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"text": " It was fine."
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"text": " Kind of, I'm intrigued to know what everyone's going to say now."
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"text": " The kind of fear of a pain has passed and now the fear of my friends seeing that saddest mate with a piercing is kind of set in."
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"text": " Are you right?"
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{
"start": 1074.0,
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " What's wrong with you?"
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"text": " Nothing."
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"text": " I'm just fuzzy with my nose and something."
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"text": " We got it to two."
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{
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"text": " No, no, no."
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"text": " You have it?"
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{
"start": 1086.0,
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"text": " Yeah."
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{
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"text": " Fucking hell."
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"text": " You couldn't tell it from the clips, but I was actually quite like, what will my parents say? Will they judge me?"
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"text": " And they're judging me anyway, so I didn't really make a difference."
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{
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"text": " Yeah."
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{
"start": 1098.0,
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"text": " I feel weird having it."
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"text": " What I never realised is how much admin goes into this."
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"text": " Really?"
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{
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"text": " Yeah, you've got to wash it."
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"start": 1105.0,
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"text": " I was like spraying my hair with saline solution last night."
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"text": " I mean, my gene, personal care and..."
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{
"start": 1110.0,
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"text": " Yeah, but like a bloody..."
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"start": 1111.0,
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"text": " I'm fairly hygiene, I shower once a week, it would be day."
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"text": " And I was like, they were like, yeah, don't sleep on that side of your head."
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"text": " I can't tell what side of my head I'm going to sleep on."
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{
"start": 1122.0,
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"text": " Yeah, that's hard."
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{
"start": 1123.0,
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"text": " Yeah, I just fall to sleep and then I twist over in my sleep."
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"text": " How do you feel about it aesthetically?"
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"text": " I like deniering on a man."
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"text": " Well, thank you, mate."
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"text": " I don't think you noticed I'd had it."
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"text": " I didn't..."
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{
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"text": " Oh my god, it's tiny."
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"text": " Yeah, apparently it has to be small at this stage."
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"text": " It really suits you, man."
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"text": " Thank you very much, mate."
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"text": " I don't know."
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"text": " I'm kind of tempted to keep it in because I'm going for a new hip, cool, Ned Sedgwick aesthetic."
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"text": " Are you?"
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{
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"text": " Well, I'm growing a bit."
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{
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"text": " Yeah, I noticed that."
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"text": " So, it's a struggle."
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"text": " You've got to get over your fear of the stereotype of a white velvet tent."
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"text": " Well, no, I know."
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"text": " Thank you."
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"text": " The only person who hates it is my mom."
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"text": " Does she?"
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " But how could she must have got used to it by now?"
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"text": " Do you know what?"
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"text": " I'm really good at covering them up."
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"text": " Everybody to escape."
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"text": " So, you got someone in your neck, your arms."
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"text": " That's right."
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"text": " When did you get your first one?"
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"text": " My first one was when I was 17."
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"text": " How big is it?"
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"text": " Apparently, it means, um, biracial."
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"text": " Oh."
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"text": " Just in case I didn't know I was biracial."
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"text": " By Rachel."
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"text": " Well, he said that, but you know, there was 50 of them on the wall."
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"text": " Right."
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"text": " I don't know."
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"text": " You were shaking your head."
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"text": " Yeah, sorry."
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"text": " No."
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"text": " I know."
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"text": " I'm like one of them women that, hey, having children but keeps having them."
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"text": " Right."
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"text": " And you've got loads of piercings as well."
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " I've taken a look out so I don't know if you can see my ears."
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"text": " Really?"
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"text": " Right."
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"text": " And ears."
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"text": " Oh, wow."
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"text": " Again, I've had, I've got my septum."
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"text": " Yeah, I got my nipple."
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"text": " You bob Marley."
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"text": " I put a string vest on."
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"text": " Trying different colors."
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"text": " And you know, you forget."
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"text": " No."
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"text": " Everyone in the room just grabbed that."
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " Hardcore."
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"text": " We have a tattoo and career based question here that somebody sent in."
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"text": " This is from Sarah Preston, 92."
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"text": " What would I do?"
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"text": " It's like a block kid."
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"text": " Skip school detention is not for me."
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"text": " I think it depends on the person as well, the individual, because if there's a really low"
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"text": " thing stacked against you and whatever job you want to do, you don't want to."
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"text": " You're like, is this going to make my promise make it harder?"
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"text": " I'd say just put it in, put on your t-shirt."
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"text": " Get it on your bum."
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"text": " Stephen, that's quite discriminating, no?"
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"text": " Because then I guess it's saying that it's unprofessional to have tattoos."
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " It's going to be different though."
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"text": " I mean, our generation is we're all going to be super tattooed grandparents and stuff."
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"text": " I think it's going to be."
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"text": " You're going to do it in your own."
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"text": " That'd be great."
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"text": " Be old."
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"text": " I'm going to have nine chins with tattoos on."
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " I didn't know why."
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"text": " That's never been the thing that convinced me not to get tattoos."
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"text": " What are you doing in order?"
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"text": " I'm going to look back at what a legend I was when I was young."
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " This perfectly ties into a question, Becca sent in, which is I want to get a tattoo, but"
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"text": " They keep saying I should be afraid of what I look like when I'm an old woman."
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"text": " Help."
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"text": " So we've got a clip actually that relates to this."
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"text": " Brenda and Pat came in a little while ago and you don't really see people there age sort"
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"text": " That's 78."
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"text": " They're crazy ladies, which is great."
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"text": " It's my sort of customers."
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"text": " Right."
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"text": " Just strip off."
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"text": " You're only having it done on your shoulder, Brad."
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"text": " If you haven't got any trousers on, I'll take your trousers off."
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"text": " I'm going to have a bottle of light on my left shoulder because I've seen it on other girls."
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"text": " And I just think it's a lovely place to have it, particularly in the summer when you've"
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"text": " got low cut dresses and that."
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"text": " I know I'm getting on, but I still think it's very sexy."
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"text": " That was a clip from Saturday Live on Radio 4."
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"text": " I love Pat and Brenda."
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " That's a bit of a wicket, doesn't it?"
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"text": " It's like, why live with regrets?"
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"text": " And here's the thing no one says, you can always just get it removed."
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"text": " I was going to say that."
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"text": " Yeah, that's true."
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"text": " It is pretty painful."
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"text": " Yeah, a bit."
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"text": " It's just painful."
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"text": " True."
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"text": " But they freeze your skin and then they hit it with the laser and burn it off."
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"text": " One thing she could do is get like a henna tattoo, version of whatever she's going to get."
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"text": " True."
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"text": " And then like just walk around with it and be like, Mum and Dad, look at my tattoo I've got."
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"text": " That is the message that I do."
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"text": " The message that I do."
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"text": " Then she's like, oh, the world carried on existing and then go get a real one."
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"text": " That's true."
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " About my mum got her first tattoo when she was 40."
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"text": " I went with her and she got a life health and prosperity and Egyptian hieroglyphs."
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " That's awesome."
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"text": " And then when she was 40, she was like, yeah, for my 50th birthday, I'm going to get around my whole waist in elf writing."
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"text": " One ring to rule them all and in the darkness find them."
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"text": " Oh, no."
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " You know who he just got my mind."
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"text": " I know for everyone in the family, I was like, we didn't even know you liked Lord of the ring."
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"text": " But she never talks about it."
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"text": " This is an anonymous question."
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"text": " Exciting."
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"text": " My friend is about to get a tattoo of his girlfriend's name on his back."
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"text": " And she's doing the same."
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"text": " Is this cute and romantic?"
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"text": " Oh, I've been opinion about this."
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"text": " Is this cute and romantic?"
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"text": " Or should I warn him that the relationship might not last forever, but the tattoo will yikes."
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"text": " If only we had someone who's made the similar."
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{
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"text": " Same."
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"text": " I've got two from relationships."
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"text": " Yeah."
},
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"text": " I've got a queen of hearts card on the back of my thigh."
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"text": " And the top queen is me."
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"text": " And the bottom queen was my ex girlfriend."
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"text": " And then I've also got this symbol which we've both got which is kind of a woman has loved the woman."
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"text": " And I know we're not together but to me it's memories."
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"text": " Oh, that's good."
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"text": " It sounds like you have a zen."
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"text": " It's memories."
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"text": " Yeah, I'm like, I've already squirted the other day that says, the fact that it hurts me lets me know it was real."
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"text": " So even if I look back and I think, oh, we didn't last."
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"text": " I still have the memories and the lessons that I've learned kind of things."
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"text": " That is so."
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"text": " It's not like, oh, I need to get this off me."
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"text": " It's like, no, it was a part of my life."
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"text": " Like school."
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"text": " Yeah, part of your life."
},
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"text": " Whether you were bullied or you were popular, it was a memory."
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"text": " But you were the most beautiful symbols."
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"text": " This was supposed to get like a full name."
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"text": " Full names are what I would not recommend."
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"text": " Do you have a full name?"
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"text": " I don't have a full name of an ex but I have that nickname that I call there and then I have friends full names."
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"text": " I would say advise against full names."
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"text": " Go with something symbolic."
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"text": " Like the Queen of Hearts thing is cool or just have a dinner party."
},
{
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"text": " Here's another question."
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"text": " This is from at imaginary really who says, I want to get a tattoo to piss off my parents but I can't decide what to get."
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"text": " Ideas for tattoos that will annoy my parents the most, please."
},
{
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"text": " So this sounds like it's time for Steve Alley's perspective."
},
{
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"text": " Steve is from Syria and he's here every week to help us with the questions that we can't crack ourselves."
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{
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"text": " Steve?"
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"text": " Hey, imaginary really."
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"text": " Your problem reminds me of the time when I was living with my parents."
},
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"text": " They used to annoy me and sometimes I wanted to do things to piss them off."
},
{
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"text": " But then when Civil War broke out in Syria when I was 19 and we had to flee and I had to leave them,"
},
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"text": " I found that me having to get across dangerous borders and miss them whenever I could get signal"
},
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"text": " from refugee camps freaked them out so much more than anything else I could do."
},
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"text": " So I recommend if you really want to piss your parents off ghost stateless and let police hold the police and international governments do it for you."
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"text": " In the meantime, why don't you tattoo?"
},
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"text": " It's really cool to get in to live with my mum and dad on the back of your hands."
},
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"text": " But having said that, I really want to get a tattoo that says their mask is on my wrist but I'm too scared of upsetting my mum."
},
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"text": " So what do I know?"
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"text": " So to wrap up, let's find out what we've learned this week."
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{
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"text": " Nud?"
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"text": " Wait until you can afford to get a good one because you don't want the pain or the infections."
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"text": " If you're ever shipwrecked, have a tattoo of a restaurant you've been."
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"text": " Google the Beatles song that you're going to get before you get it."
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"text": " Don't wear a string vest when you've got a nipple's piercing."
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"text": " Yeah."
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"text": " If you're getting a friendship tattoo with someone, make sure they get it first."
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"text": " I've learned to stop making excuses for not having a tattoo, blaming other people and just get one."
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"text": " Be the ueest you that you can be."
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"text": " I'm crying."
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"text": " This thing off your mum and dad isn't as fun when you're in the national water."
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"text": " That was great."
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"text": " I think that's so much of my issue."
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"text": " This has been grown upland with me, Mae Martin, Bishakai, Ali, Ned Sedgwick, our guest rocks in and Steve Ali."
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"text": " It was co-created by Deborah Frances White for the spontaneity shop and BBC Radio 4."
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"text": " The producer was Al Radell."
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"text": " The clips you heard today were from Immortal Work of Art, The Listening Project and Saturday Live."
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"text": " They're all available on Radio 4 and listen again."
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"text": " If I had to, I'd get a tattoo of a dog."
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"text": " What kind of dog?"
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"text": " A pomeranian mixed with a fox Terry that swipes and looks like an Arctic fox."
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"text": " Have you got any tattoos, Rian?"
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"text": " Eli, you don't know me well enough for me to divulge that sort of information."
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"text": " That was grown upland."
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"text": " Thanks very much for listening. See you next time."
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