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        "text": " This is the BBC."
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        "text": " Just check that over. That your..."
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        "text": " Great!"
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        "text": " So, hello and welcome to Podcasting House."
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        "text": " And here we are again. I've got Eli with me."
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        "text": " Hello!"
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        "text": " And I am Rianne."
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        "text": " And every week we bring you an episode from the vast range of"
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        "text": " rather marvellous BBC podcasts and we'll put one up into this feed."
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        "text": " You can decide if you like it and then go away and subscribe and via BBC Sounds."
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        "text": " So it's Eli's turn."
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        "text": " What have you got?"
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        "text": " I've got 1800 seconds."
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        "text": " That's half an hour for those of you counting on autism."
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        "text": " We featured an episode on Podcasting House some time ago"
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        "text": " with these two presenters, Robin and Jamie."
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        "text": " And I shouldn't forget Lianne, who did an episode of the Outch podcast"
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        "text": " about autism, the two autistic presenters."
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        "text": " And they sort of talked about what it's like to be someone with autism from"
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        "text": " their two specific angles."
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        "text": " So it wasn't somebody kind of investigating the phenomenon of autism and"
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        "text": " talking to experts and things like that."
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        "text": " It was just two of them talking."
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        "text": " And we loved it so much."
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        "text": " We thought there should just be more of them."
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        "text": " We did."
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        "text": " And now there are more of them."
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        "text": " It's magic."
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        "text": " Yeah, it's a really, really cool 1800 seconds on autism."
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        "text": " Hey guys, before this podcast starts, there's a trumpet coming just so you know."
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        "text": " Turn your volume down a bit."
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        "text": " True, do it then."
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        "text": " 1800 seconds on autism."
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        "text": " With Robin Stewart and Jamie Knight."
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        "text": " Are you going to cook a meal tonight?"
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        "text": " Yeah, I think that's going to cost two spoons to be honest."
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        "text": " Oh, okay."
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        "text": " There's a lot of spoons."
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        "text": " So I've got any spoons left now."
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        "text": " So I pulled it out and threw it on the floor and then was like,"
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        "text": " wait, now the fire's out of the other and that's probably not a good idea."
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        "text": " My parents knew as soon as they saw me, definitely something wrong with you"
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        "text": " because you've gone gray and you're not speaking very much."
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        "text": " Welcome to 1800 seconds on autism."
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        "text": " The name might give it away, but I'm just going to say it anyway,"
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        "text": " that this is a program about autistic life presented by two autistic people."
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        "text": " I'm Robin Stewart."
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        "text": " And I'm Jamie Knight."
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        "text": " Although most people know me as Jamie in line and I should probably"
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        "text": " use Lion."
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        "text": " So Lion is a four-foot-long plushy toy that goes everywhere with me."
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        "text": " He's really lovely."
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        "text": " He's here now."
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        "text": " He's waving all the listeners, which you know, it doesn't really make sense for a podcast."
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        "text": " And the end of the loaps, he's waving at the end of the loop."
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        "text": " Oh yeah, he really loves a good end of the loop."
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        "text": " Lion is about four-foot-long and he goes everywhere with me."
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        "text": " Big, fluffy lion."
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        "text": " And he's one of the ways I approach interacting with the world as an autistic person."
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        "text": " But of course, not all autistic people are the same."
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        "text": " Yep."
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        "text": " And we have our neurotypical support person."
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        "text": " Well, he's actually Jamie's neurotypical support person, Ollie."
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        "text": " Hello, Ollie."
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        "text": " Hello."
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        "text": " So Ollie is part of my autistic life."
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        "text": " So whereas, for example, a lot of people find it easy to go to"
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        "text": " loud places or busy places, I really struggle."
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        "text": " So we say that Ollie's job is to make sure that I'm not on fire."
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        "text": " Am I not on fire?"
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        "text": " Currently, yes."
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        "text": " Good."
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        "text": " But he also starts mission getting run over and ending up in the wrong place"
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        "text": " backwards upside down on on fire."
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        "text": " And our producer, Damon, is here."
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        "text": " Hello."
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        "text": " And he'll be wandering in and out as we record."
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        "text": " In future editions, we'll be having all sorts of guests,"
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        "text": " doing a bit of music because Robyn is very musically talented."
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        "text": " And we're going to be playing with some gadgets."
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        "text": " But on this programme, we're just going to introduce ourselves,"
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        "text": " have a chat, settle into this slightly unfamiliar studio."
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        "text": " And we'd like you to stay tuned because we're going to talk a bit about sensory stuff"
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        "text": " and what is and isn't autism friendly."
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        "text": " So, Robyn, the question that the producers of this programme want to know is,"
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        "text": " Drumroll, please."
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        "text": " Can I have a Drumroll?"
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        "text": " Thank you."
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        "text": " You ready?"
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        "text": " Is this studio autism friendly?"
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        "text": " Well, I prefer when the lights are off."
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        "text": " Yeah, I think I prefer when the lights are off as well."
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        "text": " Maybe we could ask Ollie if he could turn the lights off."
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        "text": " Ollie is very nice."
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        "text": " He's a very good friend of mine."
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        "text": " He quite often helps me adapt environments so that they suit me better."
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        "text": " And with the lights completely off, I think that's working better."
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        "text": " Thanks, Ollie."
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        "text": " Jamie, maybe you should have a wander round and check out the studio."
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        "text": " This is, this is, honourate it."
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        "text": " This is a thing I do when I'm getting used to places."
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        "text": " It helps me get an idea of how big they are."
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        "text": " So, I tend to wander around them and look at things."
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        "text": " I'm going to take my headphones off so I won't get a hear you."
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        "text": " So, this should be a blast."
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        "text": " So, Jamie has taken his headphones off."
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        "text": " And the thing that interests me first is that the glass is all funny angles."
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        "text": " So, I'm running my fingers around the outside of the room."
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        "text": " And I'm just running my head around the outside."
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        "text": " So, I get an idea from the sides of the space."
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        "text": " And it also means that I tend to find things that I might not have noticed."
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        "text": " So, I'm now stood behind Robin."
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        "text": " I promise I won't eat you."
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        "text": " Or eat him breakfast."
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        "text": " That's good."
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        "text": " There's a white board in here for some reason."
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        "text": " Here's a sound desk and I'm not going to touch all the shiny tools."
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        "text": " Is this helping Jamie?"
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        "text": " I think it does. It helps me get an idea for the space."
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        "text": " And we've already adjusted things like the lights."
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        "text": " So, I'm going to pop my headphones back on"
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        "text": " and then come back into the radio world."
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        "text": " You're listening to 1800 Seconds on Autism."
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        "text": " Recently, I read your blog on network autism"
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        "text": " where you were talking about your support."
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        "text": " And I know that you have paid support and support for friends."
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        "text": " Maybe you could tell us more about what that means in your daily life."
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        "text": " Yeah, sure."
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        "text": " The way that they're really great actually."
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        "text": " So, a couple of years ago, I got into a bit of a sticky situation."
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        "text": " I was really struggling to live alone and I was very ill as I think, you know."
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        "text": " And I got a flat nearby."
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        "text": " And it was very quickly apparent that I wasn't going to live on my own."
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        "text": " Weirdly, at first, they did all the support."
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        "text": " But they needed help."
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        "text": " So, we literally found a babysitter."
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        "text": " We just went on to findababicitter.com and went,"
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        "text": " we've got a nautistic adult who needs help with dinner."
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        "text": " We foundababicitter."
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        "text": " And she came and started my evening routine."
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        "text": " And then kind of over time, my evening routine evolves and I got paid support"
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        "text": " to help me with dinner, bath,"
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        "text": " all that sort of stuff, laundry."
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        "text": " And then my friends provide the more kind of adventure support."
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        "text": " It's kind of important to me that my friends are friends, not carers."
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        "text": " Do you ever get this with things where you find that the care element of a relationship"
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        "text": " makes it a bit complicated?"
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        "text": " I wouldn't use a friend as a carer."
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        "text": " Because of that, because it's important to keep in separate."
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        "text": " Do you mind having a babysitter?"
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        "text": " Doesn't it make you feel like a child or you don't mind?"
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        "text": " I don't mind. The lady was really nice."
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        "text": " She worked in a special school."
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        "text": " So, what she did is actually, in a way, a lot of, at that time,"
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        "text": " I really needed someone to help me structure things."
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        "text": " And that's what she did all day at school."
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        "text": " So, we put together routines, visual timetables, etc, etc."
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        "text": " These days, I tend to use a more traditional care agency because I've got a care budget."
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        "text": " And they're nice."
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        "text": " It's a different thing."
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        "text": " Professional care is different from friends."
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        "text": " Over time, I'm looking forward to when the care is more isolated from friends."
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        "text": " Because then I can, you know, have spent time with my friends being friends."
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        "text": " Does that make sense?"
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        "text": " Yeah. I don't really have a lot of care."
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        "text": " I have lots of difficulties doing doing everyday things because of my..."
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        "text": " I have..."
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        "text": " Well, if you count autism as a disability, then I have 10 disabilities."
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        "text": " But if you don't count autism, then I've got 9."
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        "text": " rather than taking as a bird's eye view, or as you would see it being a person doing a cooking."
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        "text": " Cooking is this collection of steps, isn't it?"
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        "text": " And then the instructions are never complete."
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        "text": " And this carrot, I say to the carrot, all these pizzas, they're bloody awful."
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        "text": " They're so crunchy, they make my teeth hurt."
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        "text": " I can't finish a whole one."
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        "text": " so try them for another day."
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        "text": " And then finally, somebody stopped to watch what I was doing."
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        "text": " I was walking up to the microwave, opening the door,"
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        "text": " putting the pizza on top of the microwave, closing the door and turning on the microwave."
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        "text": " Because I'd mixed up in and on from these trains."
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        "text": " unless instructions are incredibly clear and understand the concepts, I really struggle."
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        "text": " With the cooking, I actually, I think I go the opposite way to you."
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        "text": " I see cooking as a thing, I see food as a thing that has to happen."
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        "text": " I probably wouldn't have the energy left to work and do the things I do well."
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        "start": 544.4,
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        "text": " So that's one of the reasons why we have support for it."
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        "text": " Because they can do in 10 minutes, but it'll take me 45 minutes"
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        "text": " because, yeah, it does take up a lot of spoons."
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        "start": 557.9200000000001,
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        "text": " You know, it does take up a lot of..."
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        "text": " Actually, I've got some spoons here."
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    {
        "start": 560.88,
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        "text": " Shall we explain spoons?"
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    {
        "start": 561.84,
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        "text": " Oh, yeah, explain spoons."
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        "start": 566.4,
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        "start": 568.0,
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        "text": " These are physical spoons, but spoons are actually in analogy."
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        "text": " I'm Satopasit, Robin."
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    {
        "start": 574.96,
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        "text": " Hey, Robin."
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    {
        "start": 575.52,
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        "text": " Hi."
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    {
        "start": 579.0400000000001,
        "end": 580.72,
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        "text": " Hey, Robin, here's two spoons."
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        "text": " Thanks."
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        "text": " And whatever she does during the day,"
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    {
        "start": 587.84,
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        "text": " costs spoons."
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        "text": " So for example, hey, Robin,"
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        "start": 589.92,
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        "start": 591.28,
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        "text": " Yeah, I think that's going to cost two spoons, to be honest."
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    {
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        "text": " Oh, okay."
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    {
        "start": 594.32,
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        "text": " There's a lot of spoons."
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        "start": 595.2,
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        "text": " So I've got any spoons left now."
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    {
        "start": 596.8,
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        "start": 598.24,
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        "text": " Yeah."
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        "text": " and certainly myself,"
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        "text": " And things like crossing the road might take half a spoon."
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        "start": 624.16,
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        "text": " And we happen to have some spoons in the room right now."
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        "text": " So I'll put these down, because they're quite loud."
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        "start": 636.08,
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        "text": " but it could be a little weekend."
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        "text": " The recipes are sort of familiar things."
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        "text": " They're a lot less work."
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        "text": " is less spoons because it has relatively small number of steps."
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        "start": 700.24,
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        "text": " and that was pretty horrible."
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        "start": 705.76,
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        "text": " I had to call a friend and go, I had a small fire."
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        "start": 709.28,
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        "text": " How did you catch?"
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        "start": 723.28,
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        "start": 728.0799999999999,
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        "text": " I don't have cooking skills. They're not there."
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        "start": 774.16,
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        "text": " but I accept that somebody else is going to help me cook,"
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        "text": " See, there already is."
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        "text": " It's a standard for written communication."
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        "text": " You can't have to see it on bank letters and stuff."
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        "text": " But it's really hard to set these sort of clear language guidelines,"
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        "start": 798.88,
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        "text": " because language maps to concepts."
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        "start": 802.56,
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        "text": " then the language will never make sense."
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        "text": " that are expected to be known by an eight-year-old."
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        "text": " And they try and design everything to only use words from that list."
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        "text": " And they have some really nice clear writing things."
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        "text": " So all sentences under 25 words,"
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    {
        "start": 822.24,
        "end": 823.44,
        "text": " you know, words from this list."
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        "text": " In fact, the digital communication guidelines"
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        "start": 827.2,
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        "text": " called the Wicag actually now from this year onwards"
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        "text": " include simplified content as one of the success criteria."
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        "text": " So, you know, autistic people are being listened to,"
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    {
        "start": 835.52,
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        "text": " but I don't know if there's any autistic involvement with Gleermark."
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        "text": " Oh, I think Ollie fell off the chair or something."
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        "text": " incredibly tired, all the time, muddled up mess."
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        "text": " So the little bit of support that's there"
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        "text": " Coming soon to 1800 seconds on autism,"
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        "text": " I think I was trying to do the normal thing,"
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        "text": " and it wasn't working for us."
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        "text": " So I was taking him to those god-awful music groups"
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        "text": " that you take toddlers to, which were absolutely healthy, my son."
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        "text": " He was trying to escape, I now realise."
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        "text": " What is it in particular that makes you interested in Doctor Who?"
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        "text": " Big question."
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        "text": " It's okay, don't worry."
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        "text": " Our producer, Damon, is neurotypical,"
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        "start": 1097.6,
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        "text": " and that was a neurotypical phrased question"
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        "text": " that I was just repeating back, sorry."
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        "text": " I've come to the conclusion that we're all like light switches."
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        "text": " We're either on or we're off."
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        "text": " We either love something totally or totally hate it."
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        "text": " Yeah, that's an interesting poem."
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        "text": " And I like several parts of it,"
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        "start": 1118.48,
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        "text": " although one part of it is sticking in my memory quite strongly."
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        "text": " LAUGHTER"
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        "text": " Robin fell off the chair."
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        "text": " Oh, he's hot."
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        "text": " Here more from Jamie and Robin"
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        "start": 1132.96,
        "end": 1135.92,
        "text": " by subscribing to the show on BBC Sounds."
    },
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        "start": 1141.92,
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        "text": " Send any questions or thoughts to"
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        "text": " Stim at BBC.co.uk."
    },
    {
        "start": 1147.76,
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        "text": " Well, we're settling down nicely in our studio, aren't we, Jamie?"
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    {
        "start": 1151.28,
        "end": 1152.56,
        "text": " Yeah, quite like it."
    },
    {
        "start": 1152.56,
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        "text": " It's nice and dark, lovely people, lovely time, all good."
    },
    {
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        "text": " Hey, Robin, you asked me about my keys."
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        "text": " Is there any reason why you asked about keys?"
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        "text": " Well, because if you're not wearing shoes,"
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        "text": " then that probably means you haven't gone for your routine for going out."
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        "text": " you might not have your door keys,"
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        "text": " but you need to get back in to get your shoes."
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        "text": " To keep your feet safe from stones."
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        "text": " because I know that I need those three things to really be able to survive."
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        "text": " But it always gives me a lot of anxiety about,"
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        "text": " you know, forgetting those kind of things."
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        "text": " You're lucky to live near loads of people that you know."
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        "text": " It wasn't luck. We set it up on purpose."
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        "text": " if I have a really, the way that we've built it,"
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        "text": " really struggling with a panic attack or something,"
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        "text": " Now, in my life, the way that we have it set up at the moment,"
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        "text": " This is again one of those trade-offs of the cost-in spoons,"
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        "text": " Well, your body's bigger than when you're a child."
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        "text": " But you probably have hair on your chest and your back and your arms and your legs."
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        "text": " And you wouldn't have had that when you were a child."
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        "text": " So that might mean that you get different."
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        "text": " I know everybody's got hair, but I mean."
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        "text": " Yeah, I know what you mean."
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        "text": " Yeah, so maybe that."
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        "text": " And also you have to have more sensory experiences because you have to have a shave."
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        "text": " Yeah, that, you know, shaving was the thing that took a long time to master."
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        "text": " I can't do it in front of a mirror."
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        "text": " If you put me in front of a mirror to shave, I can't coordinate it."
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        "text": " Two mini signals."
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        "text": " So I learnt to shave by borrowing a dull razor, which sounds silly."
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        "text": " But I borrowed a dull razor and just learnt how to fill my face and run a razor over it."
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        "text": " It opposite to the way that it cuts."
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        "text": " And then kind of built up from there."
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        "text": " Do you mean that when you're in front of a mirror that there's too much information"
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        "text": " from like what you're seeing is the opposite?"
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        "text": " Yeah, exactly that."
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        "text": " Flipping it back the other way around."
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        "text": " I find incredibly difficult."
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        "text": " It's one of the reasons why I don't drive."
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        "text": " Because when I look in rearview mirrors, my brain puts them on the other side of the road from where I am."
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        "text": " Like, I can't vision them in space."
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        "text": " There's another reason why I walk around rooms."
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        "text": " Because when you walk around rooms, you actually find where the real corners are."
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        "text": " Because in this room you've got gray in all the corners."
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        "text": " And it can, in one moment, feel like it's expansive and 100 miles wide."
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        "text": " And then the next moment feel like it's a tiny little box."
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        "text": " So having that reference of how big the room is is something that's really helpful for me."
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        "text": " We have to say what stimming is because we've mentioned it a couple of times."
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        "text": " And our email address, our lovely email address is stim."
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        "text": " That's STIM at bbc.co.uk."
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        "text": " And stim is the singular of the plural which is stimming STIM, M-M-I-N-G."
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        "text": " And that's the autism community word."
    },
    {
        "start": 1724.64,
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        "text": " It not everybody likes it."
    },
    {
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        "end": 1734.64,
        "text": " It's generally the word that's used within the autism community to describe what professionals might describe as repetitive routine behaviours."
    },
    {
        "start": 1734.64,
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        "text": " Lovely. God love how the professionals pathologize stuff."
    },
    {
        "start": 1737.64,
        "end": 1738.64,
        "text": " Yeah."
    },
    {
        "start": 1738.64,
        "end": 1741.64,
        "text": " No, like when somebody wins the lottery, they jump up and down and flap."
    },
    {
        "start": 1741.64,
        "end": 1742.64,
        "text": " Yeah, yeah, yeah."
    },
    {
        "start": 1742.64,
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        "text": " So what we do just for often?"
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    {
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        "text": " Yeah, flapping and rocking and spinning in circles."
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    {
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        "text": " Did you know that I did a survey of 100 autistic people and I asked them about their stimming."
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        "text": " I think that 72% of people had been asked not to stim."
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        "text": " 50% of people said they like stimming."
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        "text": " 30% of people said they like stimming sometimes."
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        "text": " And the top three reasons for people stimming were to reduce anxiety, calm down over stimulated senses."
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    {
        "start": 1768.64,
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        "text": " And I don't know what the other one was, but anyway."
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        "text": " And there's a couple of reasons there."
    },
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        "text": " Reducing anxiety and calming down senses."
    },
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        "text": " Whatever."
    },
    {
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        "text": " And this sensation that's for me stimming happens in my body and comes out."
    },
    {
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        "text": " And the more I let the stims flow, the more I feel myself and actually the better I feel about things."
    },
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        "text": " When I was a kid, being stopped from rocking or stopped from flapping my hands."
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        "text": " My hands."
    },
    {
        "start": 1795.64,
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        "text": " Yeah, quiet hands."
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        "text": " So this is a phrase that I don't know if we still have it in special schools, but Gully, it was a pain in the butt for me."
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        "text": " I had it a bit at primary school and quite a lot at my first secondary school."
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        "text": " If I was flapping my hands or clicking a pen lid or something, I'd be told, oh, quiet hands, Jamie."
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    {
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        "text": " Which I of course took to me in hands, face down like I'm a prisoner on a table."
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        "text": " And it used to be the ban on my existence because the moment I stopped paying attention to that and got distracted by something else, they'd be back up flapping again."
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        "text": " But actually the flapping and the movements and stuff, they all helped me to think and work and be part of my own body."
    },
    {
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        "text": " And I think sometimes in the urge to make being around autistic people more comfortable to non-autistic people,"
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        "text": " we actually deny autistic people bodily autonomy, you know, control over our own bodies."
    },
    {
        "start": 1837.64,
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        "text": " And that I think is one of the kind of most corrosive, well-meaning things that people do."
    },
    {
        "start": 1842.64,
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        "text": " I know they mean well, but it can be really difficult."
    },
    {
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        "text": " Yeah, let the flap free."
    },
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        "start": 1847.64,
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        "text": " Yeah, free the flaps."
    },
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        "text": " And as we said before, if you've got a flap that you want to send us, eGN email or something, then please, yeah, do send it to Stim at bbc.co.uk."
    },
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        "start": 1856.64,
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        "text": " Yeah, you can send a photo."
    },
    {
        "start": 1858.64,
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        "text": " Yeah, or a video."
    },
    {
        "start": 1859.64,
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        "text": " We'd love to see that."
    },
    {
        "start": 1860.64,
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        "text": " Yeah, we would."
    },
    {
        "start": 1861.64,
        "end": 1865.64,
        "text": " Although we're making a podcast, so we won't be able to show it on air. We'd be able to go, oh, that's a nice Stim."
    },
    {
        "start": 1865.64,
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        "text": " Well, to try and avoid information overload, I think we'll finish there."
    },
    {
        "start": 1869.64,
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        "text": " We've talked about lots of things today."
    },
    {
        "start": 1871.64,
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        "text": " Yeah, well, we're going to wrap it up with..."
    },
    {
        "start": 1873.64,
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        "text": " Well, I've got this little bit of script, so I'll read that."
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        "text": " That's it for this edition. I hope you've enjoyed it."
    },
    {
        "start": 1878.64,
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        "text": " If you did enjoy it, tell everyone about it."
    },
    {
        "start": 1881.64,
        "end": 1884.64,
        "text": " If you didn't enjoy it, also tell everybody about it."
    },
    {
        "start": 1884.64,
        "end": 1890.64,
        "text": " In future weeks, we're looking to talk about our home lives, autistic humour, socialising, parenting, all sorts of stuff."
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        "text": " And of course, if you have any questions or suggestions, then drop us an email at Stim at bbc.co.uk."
    },
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        "start": 1896.64,
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        "text": " We'll see you next week."
    },
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        "text": " Please make sure you subscribe so you get to hear the podcast as soon as it comes out."
    },
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        "text": " Anyway, thanks very much for joining us, and we look forward to you hearing us again soon."
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        "text": " Bye!"
    },
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        "start": 1909.64,
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        "text": " Bye!"
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        "text": " Time's off."
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        "text": " That was 1800 seconds on Autism."
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        "text": " I don't know about you, Eli, but it was one of those podcasts where I felt I properly understood someone else's world for it."
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        "text": " It felt like a gift to me."
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        "text": " Yeah, yeah."
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        "text": " They put me in a place that I would have never gotten to on my own."
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        "text": " I'm glad we did that, you liked it."
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        "text": " Yes, we did."
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        "text": " So if you liked that and you want to hear more, just search for 1800 seconds."
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        "text": " Or indeed on the bbc sounds website."
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        "text": " And we'll see you next time."
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        "text": " Bye!"
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        "text": " Bye!"
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