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[User] Yes in the past we used to eat ugali with wild vegetables but now we are eating rice, ugali with different king of meat, bananas.

[Assistant] What are the reasons for these changes?

[User] Because people have developed.

[Assistant] What about the perception that certain foods are associated with poverty

[User] When you eat ugali with meat you will be happy so chances of you getting diseases are minimal unlike people who eat ugali with wild vegetables.

[Assistant] Okay you told me of five reasons that contributed to the change in the eating lifestyle one is availability of food, people have developed so they stop eating local food, another reason is people who used oyster nut have died and it is like they have died with their oyster nuts because it is no longer available in the markets, another reason is people nowadays are enlightened and lastly people associate certain food with poverty so which is the first reasons that made changes in the eating lifestyle?


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[User] Because people have developed.

[Assistant] What about the perception that certain foods are associated with poverty

[User] When you eat ugali with meat you will be happy so chances of you getting diseases are minimal unlike people who eat ugali with wild vegetables.

[Assistant] Okay you told me of five reasons that contributed to the change in the eating lifestyle one is availability of food, people have developed so they stop eating local food, another reason is people who used oyster nut have died and it is like they have died with their oyster nuts because it is no longer available in the markets, another reason is people nowadays are enlightened and lastly people associate certain food with poverty so which is the first reasons that made changes in the eating lifestyle?

[User] The first reason is the availability of food,

[Assistant] What is the second reason?


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[User] When you eat ugali with meat you will be happy so chances of you getting diseases are minimal unlike people who eat ugali with wild vegetables.

[Assistant] Okay you told me of five reasons that contributed to the change in the eating lifestyle one is availability of food, people have developed so they stop eating local food, another reason is people who used oyster nut have died and it is like they have died with their oyster nuts because it is no longer available in the markets, another reason is people nowadays are enlightened and lastly people associate certain food with poverty so which is the first reasons that made changes in the eating lifestyle?

[User] The first reason is the availability of food,

[Assistant] What is the second reason?

[User] People have developed; they do not want to eat the local food they use the new technology.

[Assistant] And what is the third reason?


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[User] The first reason is the availability of food,

[Assistant] What is the second reason?

[User] People have developed; they do not want to eat the local food they use the new technology.

[Assistant] And what is the third reason?

[User] They are afraid to eat food that is associated with poverty,

[Assistant] Father, what are the effects of these changes to you?


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[User] People have developed; they do not want to eat the local food they use the new technology.

[Assistant] And what is the third reason?

[User] They are afraid to eat food that is associated with poverty,

[Assistant] Father, what are the effects of these changes to you?

[User] My problem is with cooking oil when I eat I get sick so I avoid them completely.

[Assistant] And what about other family members in your household?


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[User] They are afraid to eat food that is associated with poverty,

[Assistant] Father, what are the effects of these changes to you?

[User] My problem is with cooking oil when I eat I get sick so I avoid them completely.

[Assistant] And what about other family members in your household?

[User] They are not affected by these new changes.

[Assistant] And what about your fellow Zigua are they affected by these changes?


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[User] My problem is with cooking oil when I eat I get sick so I avoid them completely.

[Assistant] And what about other family members in your household?

[User] They are not affected by these new changes.

[Assistant] And what about your fellow Zigua are they affected by these changes?

[User] You know nowadays we have these new cooking oils and most of the people are using them because we do not have options.

[Assistant] Is it affecting them?


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[User] They are not affected by these new changes.

[Assistant] And what about your fellow Zigua are they affected by these changes?

[User] You know nowadays we have these new cooking oils and most of the people are using them because we do not have options.

[Assistant] Is it affecting them?

[User] I do not think it is affecting them because they are not complaining it is only me in my family who if affected.

[Assistant] Father, I would like us to talk about milk, do you think milk is important to you and your family?


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[User] You know nowadays we have these new cooking oils and most of the people are using them because we do not have options.

[Assistant] Is it affecting them?

[User] I do not think it is affecting them because they are not complaining it is only me in my family who if affected.

[Assistant] Father, I would like us to talk about milk, do you think milk is important to you and your family?

[User] Yes, milk is very important.

[Assistant] Why is it important?


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[User] I do not think it is affecting them because they are not complaining it is only me in my family who if affected.

[Assistant] Father, I would like us to talk about milk, do you think milk is important to you and your family?

[User] Yes, milk is very important.

[Assistant] Why is it important?

[User] Because it helps increase your blood level, when you are sick you need milk, infants need milk especial when a mother is not able to breastfeed,

[Assistant] And what about your family is milk important?


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[User] Yes, milk is very important.

[Assistant] Why is it important?

[User] Because it helps increase your blood level, when you are sick you need milk, infants need milk especial when a mother is not able to breastfeed,

[Assistant] And what about your family is milk important?

[User] Ohh yes it is very important.

[Assistant] Can you tell me how milk is important to your family?


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[User] Because it helps increase your blood level, when you are sick you need milk, infants need milk especial when a mother is not able to breastfeed,

[Assistant] And what about your family is milk important?

[User] Ohh yes it is very important.

[Assistant] Can you tell me how milk is important to your family?

[User] You can drink milk and also use fermented milk as relish you can give to a sick person.

[Assistant] And what about using milk as source of income or you are not selling milk?


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[User] Ohh yes it is very important.

[Assistant] Can you tell me how milk is important to your family?

[User] You can drink milk and also use fermented milk as relish you can give to a sick person.

[Assistant] And what about using milk as source of income or you are not selling milk?

[User] No, we are not selling milk because we only have one cow so it is not enough for our consumption and selling.

[Assistant] Is milk important in according to your traditions?


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[User] No, we are not selling milk because we only have one cow so it is not enough for our consumption and selling.

[Assistant] Is milk important in according to your traditions?

[User] Ohh yes.

[Assistant] How?

[User] Because milk gives you energy and also it increases your blood levels.

[Assistant] Is milk important in the preparation of food?


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[User] Ohh yes.

[Assistant] How?

[User] Because milk gives you energy and also it increases your blood levels.

[Assistant] Is milk important in the preparation of food?

[User] Milk is important to your body when you boil and drink but not otherwise

[Assistant] Father, do you think milk is very important or just important?


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[User] Because milk gives you energy and also it increases your blood levels.

[Assistant] Is milk important in the preparation of food?

[User] Milk is important to your body when you boil and drink but not otherwise

[Assistant] Father, do you think milk is very important or just important?

[User] Milk is very important to our body.

[Assistant] When was milk important if you were to compare now and when you were young?


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[User] Milk is important to your body when you boil and drink but not otherwise

[Assistant] Father, do you think milk is very important or just important?

[User] Milk is very important to our body.

[Assistant] When was milk important if you were to compare now and when you were young?

[User] Milk has always been important regardless when your age. In the past my father used to have 150 cows so milk was in plenty but nowadays we do not get enough milk because our cows have died so we have remained with only 2 cows.

[Assistant] Why cattle are dying?


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[User] Milk is very important to our body.

[Assistant] When was milk important if you were to compare now and when you were young?

[User] Milk has always been important regardless when your age. In the past my father used to have 150 cows so milk was in plenty but nowadays we do not get enough milk because our cows have died so we have remained with only 2 cows.

[Assistant] Why cattle are dying?

[User] Because there is no medicine like in the past and our doctors are also not reliable.

[Assistant] Why cattle’s are not many nowadays?


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[User] Milk has always been important regardless when your age. In the past my father used to have 150 cows so milk was in plenty but nowadays we do not get enough milk because our cows have died so we have remained with only 2 cows.

[Assistant] Why cattle are dying?

[User] Because there is no medicine like in the past and our doctors are also not reliable.

[Assistant] Why cattle’s are not many nowadays?

[User] I told you cattle’s are dying because there is no medicine to treat our cows whenever they are sick.

[Assistant] What is the other reason?


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[User] Because there is no medicine like in the past and our doctors are also not reliable.

[Assistant] Why cattle’s are not many nowadays?

[User] I told you cattle’s are dying because there is no medicine to treat our cows whenever they are sick.

[Assistant] What is the other reason?

[User] Drought, and also people are farming nowadays so there are fewer places for grazing.

[Assistant] What about land conflicts do you thing is the reason for shortage of milk?


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[User] I told you cattle’s are dying because there is no medicine to treat our cows whenever they are sick.

[Assistant] What is the other reason?

[User] Drought, and also people are farming nowadays so there are fewer places for grazing.

[Assistant] What about land conflicts do you thing is the reason for shortage of milk?

[User] No, conflict is not affecting us.

[Assistant] What about lifestyle changes, meaning people now are farming or doing business instead of rearing animals don’t you think it has contributed to the shortage of milk?


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[User] Drought, and also people are farming nowadays so there are fewer places for grazing.

[Assistant] What about land conflicts do you thing is the reason for shortage of milk?

[User] No, conflict is not affecting us.

[Assistant] What about lifestyle changes, meaning people now are farming or doing business instead of rearing animals don’t you think it has contributed to the shortage of milk?

[User] It is true that nowadays people are more into farming other than livestock rearing even our presidents and doctors are farming.

[Assistant] Father you told me the reasons that contribute to the unavailability of milk is medicine, then drought also nowadays people depend on farming more that livestock rearing so which is the major reason for this change?


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[User] No, conflict is not affecting us.

[Assistant] What about lifestyle changes, meaning people now are farming or doing business instead of rearing animals don’t you think it has contributed to the shortage of milk?

[User] It is true that nowadays people are more into farming other than livestock rearing even our presidents and doctors are farming.

[Assistant] Father you told me the reasons that contribute to the unavailability of milk is medicine, then drought also nowadays people depend on farming more that livestock rearing so which is the major reason for this change?

[User] The major reason is unavailability of medicine for our livestock

[Assistant] What is the second reason for unavailability of milk?


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[User] It is true that nowadays people are more into farming other than livestock rearing even our presidents and doctors are farming.

[Assistant] Father you told me the reasons that contribute to the unavailability of milk is medicine, then drought also nowadays people depend on farming more that livestock rearing so which is the major reason for this change?

[User] The major reason is unavailability of medicine for our livestock

[Assistant] What is the second reason for unavailability of milk?

[User] Drought, like this year we were affected by drought.

[Assistant] Father I would like us to talk about the purchase of food, who normally buy food in your family?


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[User] The major reason is unavailability of medicine for our livestock

[Assistant] What is the second reason for unavailability of milk?

[User] Drought, like this year we were affected by drought.

[Assistant] Father I would like us to talk about the purchase of food, who normally buy food in your family?

[User] Okay, we have milk so we only buy vegetables, beans, cowpeas, meat

[Assistant] And who is making decision on food expenditure?


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[User] Drought, like this year we were affected by drought.

[Assistant] Father I would like us to talk about the purchase of food, who normally buy food in your family?

[User] Okay, we have milk so we only buy vegetables, beans, cowpeas, meat

[Assistant] And who is making decision on food expenditure?

[User] It is my wife because she knows what we have and what we do not have.

[Assistant] And who facilitates her?


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[User] Okay, we have milk so we only buy vegetables, beans, cowpeas, meat

[Assistant] And who is making decision on food expenditure?

[User] It is my wife because she knows what we have and what we do not have.

[Assistant] And who facilitates her?

[User] Me.

[Assistant] When you were growing up who used to go and buy food in the market?


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[User] It is my wife because she knows what we have and what we do not have.

[Assistant] And who facilitates her?

[User] Me.

[Assistant] When you were growing up who used to go and buy food in the market?

[User] It was my father.

[Assistant] And nowadays who is going to buy food in the market?


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[User] Me.

[Assistant] When you were growing up who used to go and buy food in the market?

[User] It was my father.

[Assistant] And nowadays who is going to buy food in the market?

[User] Me, but sometimes I send my son to the market.

[Assistant] And who is doing food budget?


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[User] It was my father.

[Assistant] And nowadays who is going to buy food in the market?

[User] Me, but sometimes I send my son to the market.

[Assistant] And who is doing food budget?

[User] Me.

[Assistant] The distance from your place to the market and the distance from your parents place to the market which one is far?


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[User] Me, but sometimes I send my son to the market.

[Assistant] And who is doing food budget?

[User] Me.

[Assistant] The distance from your place to the market and the distance from your parents place to the market which one is far?

[User] My parents to the market.

[Assistant] Father, is there food that was available in the past but it is no longer available nowadays?


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[User] Me.

[Assistant] The distance from your place to the market and the distance from your parents place to the market which one is far?

[User] My parents to the market.

[Assistant] Father, is there food that was available in the past but it is no longer available nowadays?

[User] Yes,

[Assistant] Like which one?


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[User] My parents to the market.

[Assistant] Father, is there food that was available in the past but it is no longer available nowadays?

[User] Yes,

[Assistant] Like which one?

[User] Oyster nuts, millet, pumpkin, and cucumber.

[Assistant] Mother, which kind of food do you prepare most in your household?


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[User] Yes,

[Assistant] Like which one?

[User] Oyster nuts, millet, pumpkin, and cucumber.

[Assistant] Mother, which kind of food do you prepare most in your household?

[User] African eggplant, cowpeas, potatoes, beans, green grams.

[Assistant] So you are eating with what?


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[User] Oyster nuts, millet, pumpkin, and cucumber.

[Assistant] Mother, which kind of food do you prepare most in your household?

[User] African eggplant, cowpeas, potatoes, beans, green grams.

[Assistant] So you are eating with what?

[User] Ugali and also rice.

[Assistant] What makes or influence you to cook the food you cook?


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[User] African eggplant, cowpeas, potatoes, beans, green grams.

[Assistant] So you are eating with what?

[User] Ugali and also rice.

[Assistant] What makes or influence you to cook the food you cook?

[User] I cook beans, cowpeas, potatoes, African eggplant in alternative days because they do not want to eat vegetables.

[Assistant] So who does not want to eat vegetable?


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[User] Ugali and also rice.

[Assistant] What makes or influence you to cook the food you cook?

[User] I cook beans, cowpeas, potatoes, African eggplant in alternative days because they do not want to eat vegetables.

[Assistant] So who does not want to eat vegetable?

[User] Your grandfather (The husband).

[Assistant] Apart from the choices and preferences what else influence you to cook what you cook?


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[User] I cook beans, cowpeas, potatoes, African eggplant in alternative days because they do not want to eat vegetables.

[Assistant] So who does not want to eat vegetable?

[User] Your grandfather (The husband).

[Assistant] Apart from the choices and preferences what else influence you to cook what you cook?

[User] It is only him who influences me to cook what I cook because if you do not cook what he wants then he will not eat.

[Assistant] And what about the availability of food?


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[User] Your grandfather (The husband).

[Assistant] Apart from the choices and preferences what else influence you to cook what you cook?

[User] It is only him who influences me to cook what I cook because if you do not cook what he wants then he will not eat.

[Assistant] And what about the availability of food?

[User] Because he is saying his stomach is paining when he eats a certain food so we normally cook what he wants.

[Assistant] What about availability of firewood?


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[User] It is only him who influences me to cook what I cook because if you do not cook what he wants then he will not eat.

[Assistant] And what about the availability of food?

[User] Because he is saying his stomach is paining when he eats a certain food so we normally cook what he wants.

[Assistant] What about availability of firewood?

[User] Yes, if I do not have enough firewood I cook rice because we source firewood very far from here.

[Assistant] You told me the reasons why you cook the food you cook in choices and preferences of the members of your family and also availability of food and also firewood so which among the three is the major reason?


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[User] Because he is saying his stomach is paining when he eats a certain food so we normally cook what he wants.

[Assistant] What about availability of firewood?

[User] Yes, if I do not have enough firewood I cook rice because we source firewood very far from here.

[Assistant] You told me the reasons why you cook the food you cook in choices and preferences of the members of your family and also availability of food and also firewood so which among the three is the major reason?

[User] Choices and preferences of my family members

[Assistant] Mother, when you were young did you ever experience shortage of food in your family?


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[User] Yes, if I do not have enough firewood I cook rice because we source firewood very far from here.

[Assistant] You told me the reasons why you cook the food you cook in choices and preferences of the members of your family and also availability of food and also firewood so which among the three is the major reason?

[User] Choices and preferences of my family members

[Assistant] Mother, when you were young did you ever experience shortage of food in your family?

[User] No, we were eating, food was there in plenty.

[Assistant] What about nowadays have you ever experience food shortage?


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[User] Choices and preferences of my family members

[Assistant] Mother, when you were young did you ever experience shortage of food in your family?

[User] No, we were eating, food was there in plenty.

[Assistant] What about nowadays have you ever experience food shortage?

[User] Yes, we experienced food shortage.

[Assistant] When was it?


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[User] Yes, we experienced food shortage.

[Assistant] When was it?

[User] Recently.

[Assistant] Which month?

[User] May.

[Assistant] And what was the reason?


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[User] Recently.

[Assistant] Which month?

[User] May.

[Assistant] And what was the reason?

[User] Because people did not harvest maize because of drought.

[Assistant] For how long did it last?


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[User] May.

[Assistant] And what was the reason?

[User] Because people did not harvest maize because of drought.

[Assistant] For how long did it last?

[User] Like two months.

[Assistant] And how did your family overcame the situation?


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[User] Because people did not harvest maize because of drought.

[Assistant] For how long did it last?

[User] Like two months.

[Assistant] And how did your family overcame the situation?

[User] We bought food.

[Assistant] Where did you get money to buy food?


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[User] Like two months.

[Assistant] And how did your family overcame the situation?

[User] We bought food.

[Assistant] Where did you get money to buy food?

[User] My children used to do casual work.

[Assistant] What about selling of livestock so that you can get money to buy food?


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[User] We bought food.

[Assistant] Where did you get money to buy food?

[User] My children used to do casual work.

[Assistant] What about selling of livestock so that you can get money to buy food?

[User] We sold them but they were few.

[Assistant] How many times were you eating per day during the hunger period?


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[User] My children used to do casual work.

[Assistant] What about selling of livestock so that you can get money to buy food?

[User] We sold them but they were few.

[Assistant] How many times were you eating per day during the hunger period?

[User] We were eating twice per day, in the morning we used to drink porridge and eat ugali at around 12 noon.

[Assistant] So you were eating twice per day?


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[User] We sold them but they were few.

[Assistant] How many times were you eating per day during the hunger period?

[User] We were eating twice per day, in the morning we used to drink porridge and eat ugali at around 12 noon.

[Assistant] So you were eating twice per day?

[User] Yes.

[Assistant] And how was your portions like, did you eat small portion or?


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[User] We were eating twice per day, in the morning we used to drink porridge and eat ugali at around 12 noon.

[Assistant] So you were eating twice per day?

[User] Yes.

[Assistant] And how was your portions like, did you eat small portion or?

[User] We were eating small portions.

[Assistant] And who was mostly affected by hunger?


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[User] Yes.

[Assistant] And how was your portions like, did you eat small portion or?

[User] We were eating small portions.

[Assistant] And who was mostly affected by hunger?

[User] That boy was affected most because he was sick.

[Assistant] Father, I would like to know where do you learn or get information about nutrition and health lifestyle.


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[User] We were eating small portions.

[Assistant] And who was mostly affected by hunger?

[User] That boy was affected most because he was sick.

[Assistant] Father, I would like to know where do you learn or get information about nutrition and health lifestyle.

[User] Here at home and also people from the Misima community office and also health officers normally come and teach us about health, sanitation and hygiene, and also nutrition.

[Assistant] Do you think nutrition and health education is important to you?


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[User] That boy was affected most because he was sick.

[Assistant] Father, I would like to know where do you learn or get information about nutrition and health lifestyle.

[User] Here at home and also people from the Misima community office and also health officers normally come and teach us about health, sanitation and hygiene, and also nutrition.

[Assistant] Do you think nutrition and health education is important to you?

[User] About food and nutrition we have the knowledge but health issues we learn from health officer.

[Assistant] So how and where did you learn about food and nutrition?


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[User] Here at home and also people from the Misima community office and also health officers normally come and teach us about health, sanitation and hygiene, and also nutrition.

[Assistant] Do you think nutrition and health education is important to you?

[User] About food and nutrition we have the knowledge but health issues we learn from health officer.

[Assistant] So how and where did you learn about food and nutrition?

[User] We learnt from our fore fathers.

[Assistant] So you want to tell me you have not received food and nutrition education in your household and also the entire Misima Village?


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[User] About food and nutrition we have the knowledge but health issues we learn from health officer.

[Assistant] So how and where did you learn about food and nutrition?

[User] We learnt from our fore fathers.

[Assistant] So you want to tell me you have not received food and nutrition education in your household and also the entire Misima Village?

[User] No we have not heard about that.

[Assistant] Do you think this education will help you?


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[User] We learnt from our fore fathers.

[Assistant] So you want to tell me you have not received food and nutrition education in your household and also the entire Misima Village?

[User] No we have not heard about that.

[Assistant] Do you think this education will help you?

[User] Yes it will help us because we get food, and also we will be healthy.

[Assistant] How do you want us to bring food, nutrition and health education to you?


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[User] No we have not heard about that.

[Assistant] Do you think this education will help you?

[User] Yes it will help us because we get food, and also we will be healthy.

[Assistant] How do you want us to bring food, nutrition and health education to you?

[User] You know how best you can bring this education to us.

[Assistant] And what is your suggestion?


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[User] Yes it will help us because we get food, and also we will be healthy.

[Assistant] How do you want us to bring food, nutrition and health education to you?

[User] You know how best you can bring this education to us.

[Assistant] And what is your suggestion?

[User] I think through our groups.

[Assistant] What about through schools, maybe we teach your children so that they can teach you?


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[User] You know how best you can bring this education to us.

[Assistant] And what is your suggestion?

[User] I think through our groups.

[Assistant] What about through schools, maybe we teach your children so that they can teach you?

[User] It is okay but I do not have a child who is going to school so it will be difficult for me to get information.

[Assistant] And what about churches and mosques?


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[User] I think through our groups.

[Assistant] What about through schools, maybe we teach your children so that they can teach you?

[User] It is okay but I do not have a child who is going to school so it will be difficult for me to get information.

[Assistant] And what about churches and mosques?

[User] Yes, we will get information.

[Assistant] What about health centres, do you think you will get information


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[User] It is okay but I do not have a child who is going to school so it will be difficult for me to get information.

[Assistant] And what about churches and mosques?

[User] Yes, we will get information.

[Assistant] What about health centres, do you think you will get information

[User] Mmmm, I do not think it will reach us.

[Assistant] And what about through radios and televisions?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] Yes, we will get information.

[Assistant] What about health centres, do you think you will get information

[User] Mmmm, I do not think it will reach us.

[Assistant] And what about through radios and televisions?

[User] We will hear them but will not eat.

[Assistant] And who do you think is the right person to disseminate the information?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] Mindset of my boss

[Assistant] And if your organizational change project could be perceived as a story… Who was the protagonist?

[User] Talent development team lead by me. So can be me

[Assistant] Who was the antagonist?

[User] The old fashion system

[Assistant] What inciting moment motivated the protagonist to start the journey (the what if…)?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] Talent development team lead by me. So can be me

[Assistant] Who was the antagonist?

[User] The old fashion system

[Assistant] What inciting moment motivated the protagonist to start the journey (the what if…)?

[User] The program as it was designed and run was not having the expected results, was seeing as no impactful and organization wanted to change it

[Assistant] What was the biggest conflict?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] The old fashion system

[Assistant] What inciting moment motivated the protagonist to start the journey (the what if…)?

[User] The program as it was designed and run was not having the expected results, was seeing as no impactful and organization wanted to change it

[Assistant] What was the biggest conflict?

[User] Conflict with superior (my boss)

[Assistant] What would be the genre of this story?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] The program as it was designed and run was not having the expected results, was seeing as no impactful and organization wanted to change it

[Assistant] What was the biggest conflict?

[User] Conflict with superior (my boss)

[Assistant] What would be the genre of this story?

[User] Tragicomedy

[Assistant] What would be the moral of this story?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] Conflict with superior (my boss)

[Assistant] What would be the genre of this story?

[User] Tragicomedy

[Assistant] What would be the moral of this story?

[User] Change can happen despite the person in power

[Assistant] What was the dark inversion of this story (good gone bad, or bad gone good)?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] Tragicomedy

[Assistant] What would be the moral of this story?

[User] Change can happen despite the person in power

[Assistant] What was the dark inversion of this story (good gone bad, or bad gone good)?

[User] Loss of common sense, due to high pride not being able to see the reality

[Assistant] What is your most frequently used metaphor?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] Change can happen despite the person in power

[Assistant] What was the dark inversion of this story (good gone bad, or bad gone good)?

[User] Loss of common sense, due to high pride not being able to see the reality

[Assistant] What is your most frequently used metaphor?

[User] for this situation? If you cannot open the door, find window(s)

[Assistant] What is your biggest revelation?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] Loss of common sense, due to high pride not being able to see the reality

[Assistant] What is your most frequently used metaphor?

[User] for this situation? If you cannot open the door, find window(s)

[Assistant] What is your biggest revelation?

[User] Personal agendas are more important that organizational impact

[Assistant] Talk me through an anecdote which demonstrates how change recipients were behaving when they had no knowledge of the upcoming organizational change.


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] for this situation? If you cannot open the door, find window(s)

[Assistant] What is your biggest revelation?

[User] Personal agendas are more important that organizational impact

[Assistant] Talk me through an anecdote which demonstrates how change recipients were behaving when they had no knowledge of the upcoming organizational change.

[User] Well you could think of a traditional post-transition rich corporation where people have big offices and everyone enjoys their workday as an excuse for being paid to socialize. A lot of these people weren’t capable of doing much work at a high level anyway…

[Assistant] Could you recall how the knowledge of organizational change was initially started?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] Personal agendas are more important that organizational impact

[Assistant] Talk me through an anecdote which demonstrates how change recipients were behaving when they had no knowledge of the upcoming organizational change.

[User] Well you could think of a traditional post-transition rich corporation where people have big offices and everyone enjoys their workday as an excuse for being paid to socialize. A lot of these people weren’t capable of doing much work at a high level anyway…

[Assistant] Could you recall how the knowledge of organizational change was initially started?

[User] When I joined, there were few Talent development programs graduate entries, and leaders on different level. I was told that all the programs could be changed, improved, to feel free to learn and explore and propose improvements. That is what I did with the one that I learned from the organization that was the weakest one - Graduate program. It was designed centrally, local units were struggling to implement it in the steps that were required and not at all able to reach the targets that they were supposed to (retention, promotion). Following initial screening and interviews with HRMs in the countries, and my TD team, I started to work on the flexible solution for graduate program as the highest priority. My boss was declaring herself as being very supportive of adaptation and change, therefore I wanted to create the few proposals before involving her more into the process. That was a mistake - the declarative openness to change was not real. She “called out” on me on a Talent team meeting, saying that she heard we are changing the graduate program and to present what we are doing. I presented draft version of few options, and there the difficult situation happened.

[Assistant] How did you articulate the “awakening” moment where the organizational change was formally initiated?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] Well you could think of a traditional post-transition rich corporation where people have big offices and everyone enjoys their workday as an excuse for being paid to socialize. A lot of these people weren’t capable of doing much work at a high level anyway…

[Assistant] Could you recall how the knowledge of organizational change was initially started?

[User] When I joined, there were few Talent development programs graduate entries, and leaders on different level. I was told that all the programs could be changed, improved, to feel free to learn and explore and propose improvements. That is what I did with the one that I learned from the organization that was the weakest one - Graduate program. It was designed centrally, local units were struggling to implement it in the steps that were required and not at all able to reach the targets that they were supposed to (retention, promotion). Following initial screening and interviews with HRMs in the countries, and my TD team, I started to work on the flexible solution for graduate program as the highest priority. My boss was declaring herself as being very supportive of adaptation and change, therefore I wanted to create the few proposals before involving her more into the process. That was a mistake - the declarative openness to change was not real. She “called out” on me on a Talent team meeting, saying that she heard we are changing the graduate program and to present what we are doing. I presented draft version of few options, and there the difficult situation happened.

[Assistant] How did you articulate the “awakening” moment where the organizational change was formally initiated?

[User] There was a regular team meeting when the superior (she knew about what we do because of internal gossiping systems) asked what we were doing on the topic, what was going on. I started to talk about how we plan to improve it, while her idea was to check if we started activities as they have been designed originally (by her).

[Assistant] How did change recipients express doubt towards the change project?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] When I joined, there were few Talent development programs graduate entries, and leaders on different level. I was told that all the programs could be changed, improved, to feel free to learn and explore and propose improvements. That is what I did with the one that I learned from the organization that was the weakest one - Graduate program. It was designed centrally, local units were struggling to implement it in the steps that were required and not at all able to reach the targets that they were supposed to (retention, promotion). Following initial screening and interviews with HRMs in the countries, and my TD team, I started to work on the flexible solution for graduate program as the highest priority. My boss was declaring herself as being very supportive of adaptation and change, therefore I wanted to create the few proposals before involving her more into the process. That was a mistake - the declarative openness to change was not real. She “called out” on me on a Talent team meeting, saying that she heard we are changing the graduate program and to present what we are doing. I presented draft version of few options, and there the difficult situation happened.

[Assistant] How did you articulate the “awakening” moment where the organizational change was formally initiated?

[User] There was a regular team meeting when the superior (she knew about what we do because of internal gossiping systems) asked what we were doing on the topic, what was going on. I started to talk about how we plan to improve it, while her idea was to check if we started activities as they have been designed originally (by her).

[Assistant] How did change recipients express doubt towards the change project?

[User] Aggressively. When ideas were presented how to change the program, and offer few options, the superior went completely crazy. My superior was aggressive - I remain with that. Aggressive in her approach to me and later when we had another meeting to my team member as well.

[Assistant] Could you recall an anecdote of how you addressed this challenge?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] There was a regular team meeting when the superior (she knew about what we do because of internal gossiping systems) asked what we were doing on the topic, what was going on. I started to talk about how we plan to improve it, while her idea was to check if we started activities as they have been designed originally (by her).

[Assistant] How did change recipients express doubt towards the change project?

[User] Aggressively. When ideas were presented how to change the program, and offer few options, the superior went completely crazy. My superior was aggressive - I remain with that. Aggressive in her approach to me and later when we had another meeting to my team member as well.

[Assistant] Could you recall an anecdote of how you addressed this challenge?

[User] Naively, I was enthusiastic that we would be improving

[Assistant] Talk me through an example of growing reluctance to accept the change.


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] Aggressively. When ideas were presented how to change the program, and offer few options, the superior went completely crazy. My superior was aggressive - I remain with that. Aggressive in her approach to me and later when we had another meeting to my team member as well.

[Assistant] Could you recall an anecdote of how you addressed this challenge?

[User] Naively, I was enthusiastic that we would be improving

[Assistant] Talk me through an example of growing reluctance to accept the change.

[User] Here it could be the fact that she continued to be aggressive on the meeting with my team members, calling out my team member “how come you give up on our program”. After that, noone wanted to talk anything to change from my team members, as they didnt want to get into that kind of conversation with my superior.

[Assistant] Who was challenging you the most?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] Naively, I was enthusiastic that we would be improving

[Assistant] Talk me through an example of growing reluctance to accept the change.

[User] Here it could be the fact that she continued to be aggressive on the meeting with my team members, calling out my team member “how come you give up on our program”. After that, noone wanted to talk anything to change from my team members, as they didnt want to get into that kind of conversation with my superior.

[Assistant] Who was challenging you the most?

[User] My superior.

[Assistant] How did you manage to achieve “acceptance”?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] Here it could be the fact that she continued to be aggressive on the meeting with my team members, calling out my team member “how come you give up on our program”. After that, noone wanted to talk anything to change from my team members, as they didnt want to get into that kind of conversation with my superior.

[Assistant] Who was challenging you the most?

[User] My superior.

[Assistant] How did you manage to achieve “acceptance”?

[User] I didn’t. I pulled back shocked by the behavior. I went back to the team and we decided to conduct wider research on the satisfaction with this program in the organization, beyond the initial information we had from our internal stakeholders. We made thorough analyses and written proposal

[Assistant] What exactly did you communicate to change recipients?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] My superior.

[Assistant] How did you manage to achieve “acceptance”?

[User] I didn’t. I pulled back shocked by the behavior. I went back to the team and we decided to conduct wider research on the satisfaction with this program in the organization, beyond the initial information we had from our internal stakeholders. We made thorough analyses and written proposal

[Assistant] What exactly did you communicate to change recipients?

[User] At the end, I haven’t communicated the whole scope of change, but focused that what we want to do is smaller adjustments. Than the ego was satisfied and we were supported to go ahead.

[Assistant] Could you recall how change recipients experimented with available knowledge after accepting change?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] I didn’t. I pulled back shocked by the behavior. I went back to the team and we decided to conduct wider research on the satisfaction with this program in the organization, beyond the initial information we had from our internal stakeholders. We made thorough analyses and written proposal

[Assistant] What exactly did you communicate to change recipients?

[User] At the end, I haven’t communicated the whole scope of change, but focused that what we want to do is smaller adjustments. Than the ego was satisfied and we were supported to go ahead.

[Assistant] Could you recall how change recipients experimented with available knowledge after accepting change?

[User] Honestly, I think they still believed the “old” was… was better. But the “old” way was developed and pushed by that person (my superior)

[Assistant] What would you say was the moment of “big change” that initiated this positive change in attitudes of change recipients?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] At the end, I haven’t communicated the whole scope of change, but focused that what we want to do is smaller adjustments. Than the ego was satisfied and we were supported to go ahead.

[Assistant] Could you recall how change recipients experimented with available knowledge after accepting change?

[User] Honestly, I think they still believed the “old” was… was better. But the “old” way was developed and pushed by that person (my superior)

[Assistant] What would you say was the moment of “big change” that initiated this positive change in attitudes of change recipients?

[User] When I approached it that is “just small adjustments” and not conceptual change which it was. I was doing things “under the radar”, which was accepted but I never got recognition for good job we have done. Because you know how this organization works - unless you make huge fuss about it, its like you didn't do anything. So this way of implementing improvements was good for my team (inclusion) and organization (improvements) but costed me career in the company.

[Assistant] Who did you reach out to first when experimenting after this “big change”?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] Honestly, I think they still believed the “old” was… was better. But the “old” way was developed and pushed by that person (my superior)

[Assistant] What would you say was the moment of “big change” that initiated this positive change in attitudes of change recipients?

[User] When I approached it that is “just small adjustments” and not conceptual change which it was. I was doing things “under the radar”, which was accepted but I never got recognition for good job we have done. Because you know how this organization works - unless you make huge fuss about it, its like you didn't do anything. So this way of implementing improvements was good for my team (inclusion) and organization (improvements) but costed me career in the company.

[Assistant] Who did you reach out to first when experimenting after this “big change”?

[User] I gained allies in the users of the program - country HRMs

[Assistant] Could you recall an anecdote of how these events went?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] When I approached it that is “just small adjustments” and not conceptual change which it was. I was doing things “under the radar”, which was accepted but I never got recognition for good job we have done. Because you know how this organization works - unless you make huge fuss about it, its like you didn't do anything. So this way of implementing improvements was good for my team (inclusion) and organization (improvements) but costed me career in the company.

[Assistant] Who did you reach out to first when experimenting after this “big change”?

[User] I gained allies in the users of the program - country HRMs

[Assistant] Could you recall an anecdote of how these events went?

[User] Strong allies were in the countries - HRMs. But no one wanted to be on the radar of superior. My team wanted to change things, believed that it should be different (as well as HRMs) BUT... superior had lot of power and very aggressive behaviour that froze people.

[Assistant] What exactly did you communicate to your change recipients after they expressed doubt for the second time?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] I gained allies in the users of the program - country HRMs

[Assistant] Could you recall an anecdote of how these events went?

[User] Strong allies were in the countries - HRMs. But no one wanted to be on the radar of superior. My team wanted to change things, believed that it should be different (as well as HRMs) BUT... superior had lot of power and very aggressive behaviour that froze people.

[Assistant] What exactly did you communicate to your change recipients after they expressed doubt for the second time?

[User] I downplayed the impact of changes even more, so that recipient would not feel threatened.

[Assistant] Could you recall who was the loudest and how you addressed these comments?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] Strong allies were in the countries - HRMs. But no one wanted to be on the radar of superior. My team wanted to change things, believed that it should be different (as well as HRMs) BUT... superior had lot of power and very aggressive behaviour that froze people.

[Assistant] What exactly did you communicate to your change recipients after they expressed doubt for the second time?

[User] I downplayed the impact of changes even more, so that recipient would not feel threatened.

[Assistant] Could you recall who was the loudest and how you addressed these comments?

[User] My peers were on her side and her colleagues in (country) that are in TA. I think the info that we are dramatically planning things to change came from that TA-1 in (country) as I shared my perspective that things could be done differently there.

[Assistant] Talk me through how you handled this second round of growing reluctance among change recipients.


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] I downplayed the impact of changes even more, so that recipient would not feel threatened.

[Assistant] Could you recall who was the loudest and how you addressed these comments?

[User] My peers were on her side and her colleagues in (country) that are in TA. I think the info that we are dramatically planning things to change came from that TA-1 in (country) as I shared my perspective that things could be done differently there.

[Assistant] Talk me through how you handled this second round of growing reluctance among change recipients.

[User] We were talking with countries, building up the scenarios that make most sense and keep the most of the previous legacy. So in a way, keep what is good and adopt where needed. They were very useful and helpful, working closely and being very supportive.

[Assistant] What were the biggest obstacles during this stage?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] My peers were on her side and her colleagues in (country) that are in TA. I think the info that we are dramatically planning things to change came from that TA-1 in (country) as I shared my perspective that things could be done differently there.

[Assistant] Talk me through how you handled this second round of growing reluctance among change recipients.

[User] We were talking with countries, building up the scenarios that make most sense and keep the most of the previous legacy. So in a way, keep what is good and adopt where needed. They were very useful and helpful, working closely and being very supportive.

[Assistant] What were the biggest obstacles during this stage?

[User] Stupidity and ego.

[Assistant] Could you recall the most difficult conversation you’ve had to manage during this phase?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] We were talking with countries, building up the scenarios that make most sense and keep the most of the previous legacy. So in a way, keep what is good and adopt where needed. They were very useful and helpful, working closely and being very supportive.

[Assistant] What were the biggest obstacles during this stage?

[User] Stupidity and ego.

[Assistant] Could you recall the most difficult conversation you’ve had to manage during this phase?

[User] This phase was easier as I learned what is important to the beast. I learned not to talk too much to my superior and tell her only what she wanted to hear. Not what I really thought about it and what all needs to change. I kept on minimizing the impact on her outstanding program that she developed and because “countries are not able to be as good as she was” we need to allow them to build capabilities to be able to be on the same level (as her) in the future.

[Assistant] Could you recall an anecdote covering the regression of change recipients from the stage of accepting change towards resisting change again.


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] Stupidity and ego.

[Assistant] Could you recall the most difficult conversation you’ve had to manage during this phase?

[User] This phase was easier as I learned what is important to the beast. I learned not to talk too much to my superior and tell her only what she wanted to hear. Not what I really thought about it and what all needs to change. I kept on minimizing the impact on her outstanding program that she developed and because “countries are not able to be as good as she was” we need to allow them to build capabilities to be able to be on the same level (as her) in the future.

[Assistant] Could you recall an anecdote covering the regression of change recipients from the stage of accepting change towards resisting change again.

[User] I didn’t want to give up because of the team, as they were totally mobilized to do good for the organization. To simplify and to make a difference. I felt I have to find the way to stay with it, even if it’s not 100% what we wanted to achieve.

[Assistant] What were the most important insights from this stage in your opinion?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] This phase was easier as I learned what is important to the beast. I learned not to talk too much to my superior and tell her only what she wanted to hear. Not what I really thought about it and what all needs to change. I kept on minimizing the impact on her outstanding program that she developed and because “countries are not able to be as good as she was” we need to allow them to build capabilities to be able to be on the same level (as her) in the future.

[Assistant] Could you recall an anecdote covering the regression of change recipients from the stage of accepting change towards resisting change again.

[User] I didn’t want to give up because of the team, as they were totally mobilized to do good for the organization. To simplify and to make a difference. I felt I have to find the way to stay with it, even if it’s not 100% what we wanted to achieve.

[Assistant] What were the most important insights from this stage in your opinion?

[User] I didn’t allow it to happen at all. I was limiting the amount of information provided.

[Assistant] Who was the most resilient and how did you handle this challenge?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] I didn’t want to give up because of the team, as they were totally mobilized to do good for the organization. To simplify and to make a difference. I felt I have to find the way to stay with it, even if it’s not 100% what we wanted to achieve.

[Assistant] What were the most important insights from this stage in your opinion?

[User] I didn’t allow it to happen at all. I was limiting the amount of information provided.

[Assistant] Who was the most resilient and how did you handle this challenge?

[User] I handled it very badly. My team members were more resilient as they were used to the leadership style in that organization (I was new to the organization). I never talked to many more senior leaders but my superior. I was shocked by brutality and style, I felt frozen - never happened in my life to feel that way. I was totally surprised that someone of that seniority can behave like that. At the perf evaluation I was evaluated as not fully performing and told (by my superior) that I am collaborative, I am open minded, I have lot of knowledge but I am not using it to create legacy. I thought of course I am not, when I was treated as piece of shit by her. I was ready to press charges against her (mobbing) when the announcement was out that she is replaced by new Talent director. Not many conflicts, as after those 2 sessions I was not able to find my stability in the relationship with her.

[Assistant] How did you manage to achieve it and what were the early signs of them experiencing reawakening?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] I didn’t allow it to happen at all. I was limiting the amount of information provided.

[Assistant] Who was the most resilient and how did you handle this challenge?

[User] I handled it very badly. My team members were more resilient as they were used to the leadership style in that organization (I was new to the organization). I never talked to many more senior leaders but my superior. I was shocked by brutality and style, I felt frozen - never happened in my life to feel that way. I was totally surprised that someone of that seniority can behave like that. At the perf evaluation I was evaluated as not fully performing and told (by my superior) that I am collaborative, I am open minded, I have lot of knowledge but I am not using it to create legacy. I thought of course I am not, when I was treated as piece of shit by her. I was ready to press charges against her (mobbing) when the announcement was out that she is replaced by new Talent director. Not many conflicts, as after those 2 sessions I was not able to find my stability in the relationship with her.

[Assistant] How did you manage to achieve it and what were the early signs of them experiencing reawakening?

[User] Not sure that reawakening ever happened. I think there was enough assurance that the main idea or principle that was implemented is still alive.

[Assistant] Who was your strongest ally at this stage?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] I handled it very badly. My team members were more resilient as they were used to the leadership style in that organization (I was new to the organization). I never talked to many more senior leaders but my superior. I was shocked by brutality and style, I felt frozen - never happened in my life to feel that way. I was totally surprised that someone of that seniority can behave like that. At the perf evaluation I was evaluated as not fully performing and told (by my superior) that I am collaborative, I am open minded, I have lot of knowledge but I am not using it to create legacy. I thought of course I am not, when I was treated as piece of shit by her. I was ready to press charges against her (mobbing) when the announcement was out that she is replaced by new Talent director. Not many conflicts, as after those 2 sessions I was not able to find my stability in the relationship with her.

[Assistant] How did you manage to achieve it and what were the early signs of them experiencing reawakening?

[User] Not sure that reawakening ever happened. I think there was enough assurance that the main idea or principle that was implemented is still alive.

[Assistant] Who was your strongest ally at this stage?

[User] My team.

[Assistant] What were the first signs of successful transformation with change recipients?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] Not sure that reawakening ever happened. I think there was enough assurance that the main idea or principle that was implemented is still alive.

[Assistant] Who was your strongest ally at this stage?

[User] My team.

[Assistant] What were the first signs of successful transformation with change recipients?

[User] More flexibility in the graduate program, more people engaged in it

[Assistant] What is the main point you managed to get across?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] My team.

[Assistant] What were the first signs of successful transformation with change recipients?

[User] More flexibility in the graduate program, more people engaged in it

[Assistant] What is the main point you managed to get across?

[User] Simplicity and impact

[Assistant] What do you think is the most important thing to highlight here?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] More flexibility in the graduate program, more people engaged in it

[Assistant] What is the main point you managed to get across?

[User] Simplicity and impact

[Assistant] What do you think is the most important thing to highlight here?

[User] I learned that before implementing change, I must sense who the change will impact the most and what is their true feelings about it. Not only declarative saying, but how are they personally linked with it and what do they want to achieve. OR what will keep them satisfied.

[Assistant] OK, I think we got everything, thanks again for taking the time to do this.


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] This office is for the in charge.

[Assistant] So we are seated in the in charge’s office with one of the health workers in Buwambo.

[User] Yes.

[Assistant] Now sir, tell me about yourself. How old are you?

[User] I am making twenty six.

[Assistant] What are your qualifications?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] Yes.

[Assistant] Now sir, tell me about yourself. How old are you?

[User] I am making twenty six.

[Assistant] What are your qualifications?

[User] I first qualified as a comprehensive nurse then I upgraded to clinical medicine.

[Assistant] How long have you been working here?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] I am making twenty six.

[Assistant] What are your qualifications?

[User] I first qualified as a comprehensive nurse then I upgraded to clinical medicine.

[Assistant] How long have you been working here?

[User] I started in November; four months.

[Assistant] Okay and where did you train from?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] I first qualified as a comprehensive nurse then I upgraded to clinical medicine.

[Assistant] How long have you been working here?

[User] I started in November; four months.

[Assistant] Okay and where did you train from?

[User] I Trained from Kabale School of Health Sciences for Nursing and Clinical medicine.

[Assistant] So you said you’ve been working here for?


[System] Act as an information elicitation agent for academic interviews.

[User] I started in November; four months.

[Assistant] Okay and where did you train from?

[User] I Trained from Kabale School of Health Sciences for Nursing and Clinical medicine.

[Assistant] So you said you’ve been working here for?

[User] For four months.

[Assistant] Let’s look at the demographics of the patients you have seen in your practice. Tell me about them. Who are those people you have seen mainly? Age group, sex.


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[User] For four months.

[Assistant] Let’s look at the demographics of the patients you have seen in your practice. Tell me about them. Who are those people you have seen mainly? Age group, sex.

[User] According to the condition we are talking about?

[Assistant] Yes.

[User] Usually they are always adults; 16 years, 75 ... 50-75years.

[Assistant] Those are the commonest?


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[User] According to the condition we are talking about?

[Assistant] Yes.

[User] Usually they are always adults; 16 years, 75 ... 50-75years.

[Assistant] Those are the commonest?

[User] Yes. Male or female.

[Assistant] And what are the commonest illnesses you see in this place?


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[User] Usually they are always adults; 16 years, 75 ... 50-75years.

[Assistant] Those are the commonest?

[User] Yes. Male or female.

[Assistant] And what are the commonest illnesses you see in this place?

[User] Common illnesses; diabetes, hypertension, arthritis.

[Assistant] And among the children?


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[User] Yes. Male or female.

[Assistant] And what are the commonest illnesses you see in this place?

[User] Common illnesses; diabetes, hypertension, arthritis.

[Assistant] And among the children?

[User] Most conditions; respiratory infections (Upper and lower,) common colds, skin diseases. Those are the common illnesses in children.

[Assistant] Okay. Do you ever see any children who come with sore throat?


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[User] Common illnesses; diabetes, hypertension, arthritis.

[Assistant] And among the children?

[User] Most conditions; respiratory infections (Upper and lower,) common colds, skin diseases. Those are the common illnesses in children.

[Assistant] Okay. Do you ever see any children who come with sore throat?

[User] I’ve ever seen, not just once or twice.

[Assistant] Is it a common illness around here?


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[User] Most conditions; respiratory infections (Upper and lower,) common colds, skin diseases. Those are the common illnesses in children.

[Assistant] Okay. Do you ever see any children who come with sore throat?

[User] I’ve ever seen, not just once or twice.

[Assistant] Is it a common illness around here?

[User] Not common but it comes with a season then it disappears. It’s not so common.

[Assistant] Okay. Now let’s talk about your training in RHD that’s rheumatic heart disease. Have you ever heard about it?


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[User] I’ve ever seen, not just once or twice.

[Assistant] Is it a common illness around here?

[User] Not common but it comes with a season then it disappears. It’s not so common.

[Assistant] Okay. Now let’s talk about your training in RHD that’s rheumatic heart disease. Have you ever heard about it?

[User] I’ve ever heard about it just that I’ve not got many patients to handle.

[Assistant] So did you get any specific or special training during school in RHD?


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[User] Not common but it comes with a season then it disappears. It’s not so common.

[Assistant] Okay. Now let’s talk about your training in RHD that’s rheumatic heart disease. Have you ever heard about it?

[User] I’ve ever heard about it just that I’ve not got many patients to handle.

[Assistant] So did you get any specific or special training during school in RHD?

[User] No.

[Assistant] Did they introduce that topic during school?


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[User] No.

[Assistant] Did they introduce that topic during school?

[User] They did.

[Assistant] They did?

[User] Yes.

[Assistant] Okay. And after graduation have you had any CME or any talk on RHD?


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[User] They did.

[Assistant] They did?

[User] Yes.

[Assistant] Okay. And after graduation have you had any CME or any talk on RHD?

[User] I have just graduated.

[Assistant] Okay, so you have not had any training in RHD?


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[User] Yes.

[Assistant] Okay. And after graduation have you had any CME or any talk on RHD?

[User] I have just graduated.

[Assistant] Okay, so you have not had any training in RHD?

[User] No, I have just graduated.

[Assistant] You have just graduated?


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[User] No, I have just graduated.

[Assistant] You have just graduated?

[User] Yes.

[Assistant] When?

[User] In November.

[Assistant] Okay. So since you started practicing have you seen any patient with rheumatic heart disease?


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[User] Yes.

[Assistant] When?

[User] In November.

[Assistant] Okay. So since you started practicing have you seen any patient with rheumatic heart disease?

[User] Yes. I had a patient when I was still a student. So that patient had rheumatic heart disease so we had to refer to Mulago heart institute; it was late.

[Assistant] So you had to take the patient to Mulago?


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[User] In November.

[Assistant] Okay. So since you started practicing have you seen any patient with rheumatic heart disease?

[User] Yes. I had a patient when I was still a student. So that patient had rheumatic heart disease so we had to refer to Mulago heart institute; it was late.

[Assistant] So you had to take the patient to Mulago?

[User] I had to escort the patient to Mulago.

[Assistant] So did you manage that patient at all here?


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[User] Yes. I had a patient when I was still a student. So that patient had rheumatic heart disease so we had to refer to Mulago heart institute; it was late.

[Assistant] So you had to take the patient to Mulago?

[User] I had to escort the patient to Mulago.

[Assistant] So did you manage that patient at all here?

[User] I wasn’t here.

[Assistant] Where were you?


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[User] I had to escort the patient to Mulago.

[Assistant] So did you manage that patient at all here?

[User] I wasn’t here.

[Assistant] Where were you?

[User] I was in a different health Centre in Luweero.

[Assistant] So far have you seen any one?


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[User] I wasn’t here.

[Assistant] Where were you?

[User] I was in a different health Centre in Luweero.

[Assistant] So far have you seen any one?

[User] So far, no. The time I have been here, no.

[Assistant] You have not seen any one? Any RHD patient?


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[User] I was in a different health Centre in Luweero.

[Assistant] So far have you seen any one?

[User] So far, no. The time I have been here, no.

[Assistant] You have not seen any one? Any RHD patient?

[User] No.

[Assistant] And then, so what is your understanding on the causes of rheumatic heart disease?


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[User] So far, no. The time I have been here, no.

[Assistant] You have not seen any one? Any RHD patient?

[User] No.

[Assistant] And then, so what is your understanding on the causes of rheumatic heart disease?

[User] The way I understand it originates from oral thrush (infection from oral thrush) then descends through blood to the heart valves.

[Assistant] Okay, and then are you aware of any link between sore throat and RHD?


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[User] No.

[Assistant] And then, so what is your understanding on the causes of rheumatic heart disease?

[User] The way I understand it originates from oral thrush (infection from oral thrush) then descends through blood to the heart valves.

[Assistant] Okay, and then are you aware of any link between sore throat and RHD?

[User] Yes.

[Assistant] And what’s the link between them?


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[User] The way I understand it originates from oral thrush (infection from oral thrush) then descends through blood to the heart valves.

[Assistant] Okay, and then are you aware of any link between sore throat and RHD?

[User] Yes.

[Assistant] And what’s the link between them?

[User] The link?

[Assistant] How are they related?


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[User] Yes.

[Assistant] And what’s the link between them?

[User] The link?

[Assistant] How are they related?

[User] The same infection that attacks the throat is the same infection that descends through blood, attacks the heart then the patient will develop rheumatic heart disease. That's my understanding.

[Assistant] And then what were you told can be done to prevent rheumatic heart disease.


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[User] The link?

[Assistant] How are they related?

[User] The same infection that attacks the throat is the same infection that descends through blood, attacks the heart then the patient will develop rheumatic heart disease. That's my understanding.

[Assistant] And then what were you told can be done to prevent rheumatic heart disease.

[User] Preventive measures?

[Assistant] Yes. How can someone prevent getting RHD?


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[User] The same infection that attacks the throat is the same infection that descends through blood, attacks the heart then the patient will develop rheumatic heart disease. That's my understanding.

[Assistant] And then what were you told can be done to prevent rheumatic heart disease.

[User] Preventive measures?

[Assistant] Yes. How can someone prevent getting RHD?

[User] Oral hygiene, I think that’s the first.

[Assistant] Okay. Anything else?


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[User] Preventive measures?

[Assistant] Yes. How can someone prevent getting RHD?

[User] Oral hygiene, I think that’s the first.

[Assistant] Okay. Anything else?

[User] And medical checkups can also help us.

[Assistant] okay. How do we treat RHD?


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[User] Oral hygiene, I think that’s the first.

[Assistant] Okay. Anything else?

[User] And medical checkups can also help us.

[Assistant] okay. How do we treat RHD?

[User] In treatment?

[Assistant] Yes. How do they manage RHD?


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[User] And medical checkups can also help us.

[Assistant] okay. How do we treat RHD?

[User] In treatment?

[Assistant] Yes. How do they manage RHD?

[User] Of course for all patients with cardiac conditions we have to be in a specialized setting. Such a patient in place like Buwambo, we can’t give a lot of management. We always tend to refer those patients.

[Assistant] Where do you refer them?


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[User] In treatment?

[Assistant] Yes. How do they manage RHD?

[User] Of course for all patients with cardiac conditions we have to be in a specialized setting. Such a patient in place like Buwambo, we can’t give a lot of management. We always tend to refer those patients.

[Assistant] Where do you refer them?

[User] To clinics where we know they can be managed well.

[Assistant] Do you know some of those referral clinics?


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[User] Of course for all patients with cardiac conditions we have to be in a specialized setting. Such a patient in place like Buwambo, we can’t give a lot of management. We always tend to refer those patients.

[Assistant] Where do you refer them?

[User] To clinics where we know they can be managed well.

[Assistant] Do you know some of those referral clinics?

[User] we have new Mulago Heart Institute

[Assistant] Apart from Mulago?


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[User] To clinics where we know they can be managed well.

[Assistant] Do you know some of those referral clinics?

[User] we have new Mulago Heart Institute

[Assistant] Apart from Mulago?

[User] And other big hospitals.

[Assistant] Okay. Are there any aspects of RHD management in which you need to be trained?


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[User] we have new Mulago Heart Institute

[Assistant] Apart from Mulago?

[User] And other big hospitals.

[Assistant] Okay. Are there any aspects of RHD management in which you need to be trained?

[User] Yes.

[Assistant] Like which area? If you were offered to be trained in any aspect of RHD management.


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[User] And other big hospitals.

[Assistant] Okay. Are there any aspects of RHD management in which you need to be trained?

[User] Yes.

[Assistant] Like which area? If you were offered to be trained in any aspect of RHD management.

[User] l want them to train me how to identify a patient with RHD because we study but we don’t come out with that knowledge.

[Assistant] Okay. So in identifying patients!


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[User] Yes.

[Assistant] Like which area? If you were offered to be trained in any aspect of RHD management.

[User] l want them to train me how to identify a patient with RHD because we study but we don’t come out with that knowledge.

[Assistant] Okay. So in identifying patients!

[User] Identifying patients with Rheumatic Heart Disease and more training in management. Not just referring.

[Assistant] Okay. Any other area? So identification of symptoms and management!


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[User] l want them to train me how to identify a patient with RHD because we study but we don’t come out with that knowledge.

[Assistant] Okay. So in identifying patients!

[User] Identifying patients with Rheumatic Heart Disease and more training in management. Not just referring.

[Assistant] Okay. Any other area? So identification of symptoms and management!

[User] Yes.

[Assistant] Okay. And then so what is your understanding about the long-term prognosis of RHD?


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[User] So long-term prognosis of RHD.

[Assistant] Yes.

[User] It can be due to other complications.

[Assistant] Any other?

[User] And maybe death as the final.

[Assistant] So you've told me that you have ever encountered an RHD patient.


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[User] It can be due to other complications.

[Assistant] Any other?

[User] And maybe death as the final.

[Assistant] So you've told me that you have ever encountered an RHD patient.

[User] Yes.

[Assistant] So can you tell me; when did you last encounter an RHD patient?


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[User] Yes.

[Assistant] So can you tell me; when did you last encounter an RHD patient?

[User] Last year.

[Assistant] Last year?

[User] No, October.

[Assistant] In October. So briefly summarize that visit. How did that patient present? How did you handle?


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[User] Last year.

[Assistant] Last year?

[User] No, October.

[Assistant] In October. So briefly summarize that visit. How did that patient present? How did you handle?

[User] The patient had a history of on and off fevers but had difficulties in breathing, and then he still had joint pains with swollen joints.

[Assistant] How was that patient managed? Did the patient come and present that I have RHD or came without.


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[User] The patient had a history of on and off fevers but had difficulties in breathing, and then he still had joint pains with swollen joints.

[Assistant] How was that patient managed? Did the patient come and present that I have RHD or came without.

[User] The patient came as an emergency, so we had to refer. We controlled the fevers but we had nothing much to do in that very moment so we had to refer the patient.

[Assistant] To where?

[User] Mulago.

[Assistant] So you said since you started practice how many patients have you encountered with RHD?


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[User] Mulago.

[Assistant] So you said since you started practice how many patients have you encountered with RHD?

[User] I got one patient.

[Assistant] One patient!

[User] Yes.

[Assistant] Okay. And you said how old was that patient?


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[User] I got one patient.

[Assistant] One patient!

[User] Yes.

[Assistant] Okay. And you said how old was that patient?

[User] Was 64 years.

[Assistant] Okay and then when you look at these patients do you think they know the link between sore throat and this Rheumatic Heart Disease?


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[User] Yes.

[Assistant] Okay. And you said how old was that patient?

[User] Was 64 years.

[Assistant] Okay and then when you look at these patients do you think they know the link between sore throat and this Rheumatic Heart Disease?

[User] They don't know.

[Assistant] Okay. And then what sort of symptoms do they describe to you when they come? In their own description, what do they say?


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[User] They don't know.

[Assistant] Okay. And then what sort of symptoms do they describe to you when they come? In their own description, what do they say?

[User] They will tell you they always have difficulties in breathing, that's the first symptom, and then with fevers.

[Assistant] Any other?

[User] No.

[Assistant] Okay and then when you look at their follow up or when you tell them to come back maybe for follow up do they come back?


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[User] They will tell you they always have difficulties in breathing, that's the first symptom, and then with fevers.

[Assistant] Any other?

[User] No.

[Assistant] Okay and then when you look at their follow up or when you tell them to come back maybe for follow up do they come back?

[User] Excuse me. I have only encountered one patient so I didn't get a chance of meeting her again.

[Assistant] Okay. So in your opinion I know you have not encountered any but what do you think stops some people from going into care? Now that one came as an emergency, but why do you think people don't seek care?


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[User] No.

[Assistant] Okay and then when you look at their follow up or when you tell them to come back maybe for follow up do they come back?

[User] Excuse me. I have only encountered one patient so I didn't get a chance of meeting her again.

[Assistant] Okay. So in your opinion I know you have not encountered any but what do you think stops some people from going into care? Now that one came as an emergency, but why do you think people don't seek care?

[User] People don't seek care just because of their ignorance; they don't know what to do and those who have tried to go for health care meet a problem of health care provider attitude.

[Assistant] What is it about the attitude of the health care providers?


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[User] Excuse me. I have only encountered one patient so I didn't get a chance of meeting her again.

[Assistant] Okay. So in your opinion I know you have not encountered any but what do you think stops some people from going into care? Now that one came as an emergency, but why do you think people don't seek care?

[User] People don't seek care just because of their ignorance; they don't know what to do and those who have tried to go for health care meet a problem of health care provider attitude.

[Assistant] What is it about the attitude of the health care providers?

[User] Because if I refer a patient to your unit and you don't attend to him or her, of course tomorrow that patient won't come back. I think that’s the biggest problem.

[Assistant] Which other one? Why do you think you tell these RHD patients to come for treatment and they don’t?


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[User] People don't seek care just because of their ignorance; they don't know what to do and those who have tried to go for health care meet a problem of health care provider attitude.

[Assistant] What is it about the attitude of the health care providers?

[User] Because if I refer a patient to your unit and you don't attend to him or her, of course tomorrow that patient won't come back. I think that’s the biggest problem.

[Assistant] Which other one? Why do you think you tell these RHD patients to come for treatment and they don’t?

[User] And we have units which are very deep. And people don't have access to the health facilities, lack transport and such issues.

[Assistant] Anything else? How about your health care, what barriers do you face?


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[User] Because if I refer a patient to your unit and you don't attend to him or her, of course tomorrow that patient won't come back. I think that’s the biggest problem.

[Assistant] Which other one? Why do you think you tell these RHD patients to come for treatment and they don’t?

[User] And we have units which are very deep. And people don't have access to the health facilities, lack transport and such issues.

[Assistant] Anything else? How about your health care, what barriers do you face?

[User] As in?

[Assistant] when you are providing care, like that RHD patient who came and you referred.


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[User] And we have units which are very deep. And people don't have access to the health facilities, lack transport and such issues.

[Assistant] Anything else? How about your health care, what barriers do you face?

[User] As in?

[Assistant] when you are providing care, like that RHD patient who came and you referred.

[User] yes.

[Assistant] What stopped you from handling that case?


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[User] As in?

[Assistant] when you are providing care, like that RHD patient who came and you referred.

[User] yes.

[Assistant] What stopped you from handling that case?

[User] [laughs] okay, lack of medical supplies first, then having doctors but we don't have medical drugs, equipment of course, so you have to refer.

[Assistant] Okay. Which drugs in that case would you need, that if they were here you would have helped that lady?


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[User] yes.

[Assistant] What stopped you from handling that case?

[User] [laughs] okay, lack of medical supplies first, then having doctors but we don't have medical drugs, equipment of course, so you have to refer.

[Assistant] Okay. Which drugs in that case would you need, that if they were here you would have helped that lady?

[User] (sighs)

[Assistant] You don't know?


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[User] [laughs] okay, lack of medical supplies first, then having doctors but we don't have medical drugs, equipment of course, so you have to refer.

[Assistant] Okay. Which drugs in that case would you need, that if they were here you would have helped that lady?

[User] (sighs)

[Assistant] You don't know?

[User] Yeah.

[Assistant] You can't think of any. Okay and then let’s talk about the administration here. Is it working for you? Does it help you in any way when you are doing your work or makes your work better?


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[User] (sighs)

[Assistant] You don't know?

[User] Yeah.

[Assistant] You can't think of any. Okay and then let’s talk about the administration here. Is it working for you? Does it help you in any way when you are doing your work or makes your work better?

[User] The administration, though am learning it, in my view it doesn't help as I expect.

[Assistant] Where do you want them to improve?


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[User] Yeah.

[Assistant] You can't think of any. Okay and then let’s talk about the administration here. Is it working for you? Does it help you in any way when you are doing your work or makes your work better?

[User] The administration, though am learning it, in my view it doesn't help as I expect.

[Assistant] Where do you want them to improve?

[User] As Buwombo or from up?

[Assistant] Let's start from the district.


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[User] The administration, though am learning it, in my view it doesn't help as I expect.

[Assistant] Where do you want them to improve?

[User] As Buwombo or from up?

[Assistant] Let's start from the district.

[User] From the district, for the better of our patients they don't do close supervision and then sometimes we have a lot of patients but we have few staff and even medical supplies we don't have. We don't have drugs.

[Assistant] Like which drugs are scarce here? Which are some of the essential drugs that you don't really have here?


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[User] As Buwombo or from up?

[Assistant] Let's start from the district.

[User] From the district, for the better of our patients they don't do close supervision and then sometimes we have a lot of patients but we have few staff and even medical supplies we don't have. We don't have drugs.

[Assistant] Like which drugs are scarce here? Which are some of the essential drugs that you don't really have here?

[User] We don’t have most of the drugs like, we don’t have Hypertensives.

[Assistant] Okay. And do you have any drugs that treat heart disease?


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[User] From the district, for the better of our patients they don't do close supervision and then sometimes we have a lot of patients but we have few staff and even medical supplies we don't have. We don't have drugs.

[Assistant] Like which drugs are scarce here? Which are some of the essential drugs that you don't really have here?

[User] We don’t have most of the drugs like, we don’t have Hypertensives.

[Assistant] Okay. And do you have any drugs that treat heart disease?

[User] No.

[Assistant] Do you have any drug like Benzathine in stock here?


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[User] We don’t have most of the drugs like, we don’t have Hypertensives.

[Assistant] Okay. And do you have any drugs that treat heart disease?

[User] No.

[Assistant] Do you have any drug like Benzathine in stock here?

[User] I haven't heard but for the moment we don't have.

[Assistant] And you’ve said there's no supervision, supervision is lacking! How would you want your health center to be supervised?


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[User] No.

[Assistant] Do you have any drug like Benzathine in stock here?

[User] I haven't heard but for the moment we don't have.

[Assistant] And you’ve said there's no supervision, supervision is lacking! How would you want your health center to be supervised?

[User] Of course if you come to ground as a head, you have to discover the problems; our issues, but those people may take a long time to come to the ground yet some of us have our issues so, it is such things.

[Assistant] Okay. How about the leadership here, if you need supplies and things to use do you get them?


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[User] I haven't heard but for the moment we don't have.

[Assistant] And you’ve said there's no supervision, supervision is lacking! How would you want your health center to be supervised?

[User] Of course if you come to ground as a head, you have to discover the problems; our issues, but those people may take a long time to come to the ground yet some of us have our issues so, it is such things.

[Assistant] Okay. How about the leadership here, if you need supplies and things to use do you get them?

[User] They do supply.

[Assistant] Anything lacking in the administration?


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[User] Of course if you come to ground as a head, you have to discover the problems; our issues, but those people may take a long time to come to the ground yet some of us have our issues so, it is such things.

[Assistant] Okay. How about the leadership here, if you need supplies and things to use do you get them?

[User] They do supply.

[Assistant] Anything lacking in the administration?

[User] [no response]

[Assistant] silence means nothing?


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[User] They do supply.

[Assistant] Anything lacking in the administration?

[User] [no response]

[Assistant] silence means nothing?

[User] Let's leave that.

[Assistant] How about funding in health care, is it working for you as you are doing your work as a health worker?


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[User] [no response]

[Assistant] silence means nothing?

[User] Let's leave that.

[Assistant] How about funding in health care, is it working for you as you are doing your work as a health worker?

[User] It's working for me on side but not much for the patients.

[Assistant] Okay. Explain more.