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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that the power is already there,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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which the focus should be more on being able
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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to communicate with it.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Well, I agree that in a certain sense,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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the hardware processing power is already out there
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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because our universe itself can think of it
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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as being a computer already, right?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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It's constantly computing what water waves,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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how it devolved the water waves in the River Charles
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and how to move the air molecules around.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Seth Lloyd has pointed out, my colleague here,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that you can even in a very rigorous way
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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think of our entire universe as being a quantum computer.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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It's pretty clear that our universe
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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supports this amazing processing power
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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because you can even,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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within this physics computer that we live in, right?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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We can even build actual laptops and stuff,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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so clearly the power is there.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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It's just that most of the compute power that nature has,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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it's, in my opinion, kind of wasting on boring stuff
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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like simulating yet another ocean wave somewhere
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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where no one is even looking, right?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So in a sense, what life does, what we are doing
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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when we build computers is we're rechanneling
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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all this compute that nature is doing anyway
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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into doing things that are more interesting
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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than just yet another ocean wave,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and let's do something cool here.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So the raw hardware power is there, for sure,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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but then even just computing what's going to happen
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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for the next five seconds in this water bottle,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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takes a ridiculous amount of compute
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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if you do it on a human computer.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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This water bottle just did it.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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But that does not mean that this water bottle has AGI
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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because AGI means it should also be able to,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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like I've written my book, done this interview.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And I don't think it's just communication problems.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I don't really think it can do it.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Although Buddhists say when they watch the water
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and that there is some beauty,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that there's some depth and beauty in nature
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that they can communicate with.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Communication is also very important though
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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because I mean, look, part of my job is being a teacher.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And I know some very intelligent professors even
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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who just have a bit of hard time communicating.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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They come up with all these brilliant ideas,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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but to communicate with somebody else,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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you have to also be able to simulate their own mind.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Yes, empathy.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Build well enough and understand model of their mind
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that you can say things that they will understand.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And that's quite difficult.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And that's why today it's so frustrating
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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if you have a computer that makes some cancer diagnosis
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and you ask it, well, why are you saying
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I should have this surgery?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And if it can only reply,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I was trained on five terabytes of data
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and this is my diagnosis, boop, boop, beep, beep.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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It doesn't really instill a lot of confidence, right?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So I think we have a lot of work to do
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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on communication there.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So what kind of, I think you're doing a little bit of work
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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in explainable AI.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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What do you think are the most promising avenues?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Is it mostly about sort of the Alexa problem
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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of natural language processing of being able
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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to actually use human interpretable methods
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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of communication?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So being able to talk to a system and it talk back to you,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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or is there some more fundamental problems to be solved?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I think it's all of the above.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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The natural language processing is obviously important,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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but there are also more nerdy fundamental problems.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#00:55:23.520
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Like if you take, you play chess?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Of course, I'm Russian.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I have to.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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You speak Russian?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Yes, I speak Russian.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Excellent, I didn't know.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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When did you learn Russian?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I speak very bad Russian, I'm only an autodidact,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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but I bought a book, Teach Yourself Russian,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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read a lot, but it was very difficult.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Wow.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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That's why I speak so bad.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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How many languages do you know?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Wow, that's really impressive.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I don't know, my wife has some calculation,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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but my point was, if you play chess,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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have you looked at the AlphaZero games?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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The actual games, no.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Check it out, some of them are just mind blowing,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#00:56:02.600
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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really beautiful.
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#00:56:06.320
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And if you ask, how did it do that?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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You go talk to Demis Hassabis,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I know others from DeepMind,
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https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0001-large.html#00:56:16.520
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