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B: and, uh, one of my kids was in a car accident
B: and, uh I had, wound up having to pay for, you know, a bunch of doctor visits and stuff out of my pocket because of, you know, no, no insurance policy happened to cover it, which is,
A: Um.
A: Really?
A: You mean, not even your, your, your car insurance?
B: Well, it, it got all screwed up because I had a high deductible on the health insurance, no fault here,
B: and, and I had a high deductible on the on the, uh, on the car insurance
B: and then you know, we just goofed up the medical insurance and the car insurance and stuff and blew it
A: Oh, that's too bad.
B: Oh, well.
A: Yeah
A: uh, well, I don't know,
A: I think other than health insurance, I think, uh, you know, an extra week of, uh, time off would be nice.
A: I only get two weeks.
B: Yeah,
B: yeah
B: my place you get two weeks when you start
B: and then every, every year they give you an extra day until you've got four weeks.
A: Oh, that's nice.
A: We don't get them till, till your seventh year of service till you get an extra week.
B: Aye.
B: That's a long time.
A: Yeah,
A: it's, uh,
B: Yeah,
B: especially in the kind of engineering job I'm in, you know, companies don't stay afloat that long
B: and, and they,
A: Uh, with the telecommunications type of company, supposedly you, used to be much more stable.
A: It's a lot less stable than it used to be.
A: They used to have job security
A: but now they don't.
B: So you work for Bell or something like that?
A: Yeah,
A: it's the Bell Corps, which is, uh,
B: Right.
A: Yeah.
B: Right.
A: So, I don't know,
A: it's, it's, uh, no longer
A: So that's what,
A: I think it's still based on the old model of,
A: and, and now they don't, uh,
B: A lifelong job security
B: telephone pioneers of America,
A: Yeah.
B: all that stuff, huh.
A: Yeah,
A: but they, no, no longer
A: I don't think so.
B: Right.
A: Uh, hearing a
A: there's always, they're always laying people off, which is another benefit that you can have other than salary is trade that off for security.
B: Is it, I mean, does it,
B: they must have pretty good severance, though, huh?
A: Oh, I don't know,
A: we don't, we haven't been doing layoffs.
A: We've been doing, uh, down sizing with, uh, getting rid of extra layers of management.
A: And, uh, I don't know what they do for those people.
B: Mean the, the, the management they get rid of?
A: Some of it,
A: yeah.
B: Um.
A: There's too many manage, too many chiefs and not enough Indians
A: but,
B: Oh, they, they put,
A: Well, have you ever served on a jury?
B: No,
B: I've not.
B: I've been called,
B: but I had to beg off from the duty.
B: And you?
A: Well, I was called
A: and then I was not chosen.
B: Um.
B: Well, I was, I was, uh, originally chosen primarily, I think, because I was a young fellow
B: and they tend to view the younger fellows as more likely to hand down a guilty verdict.
B: I don't know why.
B: Something I picked up in a psychology class some time ago.
A: Oh, really?
B: Yeah,
B: it's that the younger they are, they tend to be more conservative for some statistical oddball reason,
B: and they kind of liked me.
B: I looked and all that stuff
B: and they,
B: I don't know what they saw in me,
B: but they saw it.
B: But, uh, back to the issue, is, uh,
B: I don't know,
B: at times I feel that a unanimous decision is warranted, especially in cases in which there's no smoking gun.
B: But, there, too, there are also cases in which I feel a majority rule might be acceptable, particularly, I think in civil cases.
B: In criminal cases, I'd like to see the unanimity remain,
B: but in civil cases, I think a majority rule by, by jury would be sufficient.
A: Well, uh, could you give me an example of a case where you think that?
B: Well, in a criminal case, say one in which, you know, there is, like, say assault or some such. I think there ought to be a unanimous, uh, vote because by law and by constitution there must be proven beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt that the person in question did this.
B: And in civil law there, you know, is such a thing as like, let's say, uh, misappropriations or misuse of financial instruments or something like that.
B: A majority rule, I think, would be more in line as there is no real smoking gun in the civil cases.
B: I don't know if I'm making any sense or not.
A: Well, I mean, I think,
A: are you just trying to say that criminal cases are more, uh, tangible
A: or,