### Human: PLC5 Slow Ethernet Communication Hi, We have a problem with one of our PLC 5-40/L using an ethernet sidecar. It seems to have gotten terribly slow over the last 6 months. I'm not sure if we are trying to send too much information via e-net or if there is another problem. We have another of the same PLC basically doing the same thing as this one and its much faster to send/receive messages. The only thing that has really changed is a few more items were added to the network, but our managed HP switch shows the network still has very little traffic. We do have 2 Control Logix processors continually sending/receiving data to this PLC5 but they are only small amounts (20 word write, 6 word read) I've also noticed that RS Logix is very slow to update. The online ladder is barely turning. I've tried disabling the messages from the CLx and unplugging other devices that it communicates with via e-net and this seems to have no effect. I've also tried changing cable, PLC, e-net sidecar and transceiver. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks ### Assistant: When you say a few more items were added to the network...what type of items? Also, since you have a managed switch, make sure IGMP Snooping is on to limit multicast messages to the local network. Also, make sure your network is manually set to 10 Mbps since the plc5 is 10Mbit only. If the other devices are default at 100Mbps there will have to be some auto-negotiation at the switch. How is the information sent/read to the plc5 from the Controllogix? Thanks for the quick reply. THe other items include a small Delta RMC-100 motion controller and 4 CLx processors. Each Control logix processors are MSG reading about 20 words, and writing 6 words to the PLC5 continuously. I suspected this to be a cause of the problem, but as i've said thats a small amount of data and we have another PLC doing the same thing with no problems at all (although its scan time is a little better..20ms). To be sure i disconnected those 2 network cables and there was no change. The scan time of the problem PLC averages about 28 ms. I have checked the switch settings and multicast filtering is enabled. The switch is set to auto negotiate for that port however it does display its status as 10Mbps. A couple other things to check. Make sure the new devices are not duplicating the IP address of the existing PLC5. The scan time of the process really won't be affected by the sidecar's communications problems to that's not a real test as to what's causing the problem. One thing you can to is set up a counter to start timeing when you set a bit true, send it in a MSG instruction to the plc5 have the plc5 turn the bit off, send it back to the controllogix. when this bit is turned off, stop the timer. You're setting up a poor-man's network analyzer to check roundtrip communications. With the small amount of data you're actually passing, it may be that you need to cache the connection to keep it open. The sidecars in the past have been very picky about the network they talk on. If there's ANY traffic they don't understand coming through, they seem to have a problem with it. I'll dig through some old docs I have and see if something jumps out. One other thing relatively new to the network is a Wonderware application talking to a different CLx, but i've eliminated that by shutting it down, noticing no improvement. I also realized that the other PLC with the same application is actually a 5/40E so perhaps it performs better than the sidecar. I will try programming what you mentioned and see what sort of response times i get. I do know that one HMI used Cimquest InGear and has a watchdog which seems to be taking almost 2 seconds to toggle. However i don't know enough about VB to see how /when they're actually toggling the bit and sending it back to the PLC. I also tried to ping the plc several times. Most avg 1ms, but i did see the odd 7ms. This bad response only seems to be the 1 PLC though, so i think i can rule out any other network issue. Thanks again for your help I tested the return rate of data as you suggested. Best case is about 180ms, but did see as high as 370ms. I also tried this same thing to one of our 5/40E processors and it was twice as fast. The max i saw with that one was about 135ms. However it does have a scan time probably close to 10ms faster. I realize that won't change the e-net comm. rate, but it will take longer to execute the logic and change the state of the bit. Although i still shouldn't see over double the length of time. Coastland,Take a look at these Tech ID's (some may be locked for certain levels of support): 17111; 15830, and 19475. Doc number 17111 points to a throttle back feature of the sidecar (or plc5 ENET modules) that if it sees too much traffic it will throttle back and possible disconnect itself for a time before talking again. Doc 19475 tells about detecting and looking at the broadcast storm counter as well. These may not help you but maybe they'll point you in some positive direction....at least you'll know what's NOT causing the problem. Thanks for your help, but apparently we didn't renew our TechConnect support this year so i don't have access to those files. I think we're going to try replacing our 1785-ENET with a Ser C instead of B. I understand they're capable of 100Mbps FDx. That would be a big improvement over our 10Mbps Half Duplex we have right now. Hopefully it will solve our problem. I would pursue the switch configuration before replacing the hardware. You might not get the performance you expect if you don't get the network configured correctly. Others have touched on the important points, so I'll just reiterate: 1. The 1785-ENET has about half the performance of a PLC-5E in terms of how fast it can access the PLC-5 memory. A 1785-ENET Series C has better network performance and a new Ethernet physical interface, as well as some improved PLC-5 memory access, but it still won't be as fast as a PLC-5E native Ethernet port. 2. The PLC-5E and 1785-ENET firmware was developed long before high volumes of multicast traffic were commonplace, and they don't filter out multicast very well. If you have a motion controller on Ethernet and the IGMP Snooping and Querying aren't set up correctly on your network, then the PLC-5E and 1785-ENET ports may be dealing with quite a lot of multicast traffic. The diagnostic process for that is very simple: configure a mirror port for the 1785-ENET's port and sniff it with Wireshark or TCPDump or any other packet capture software. If you see a lot of multicast traffic, you know that IGMP Snooping isn't set up correctly. Knowing how to set up a mirror port and use Wireshark will pay off in administering your automation network. 3. There are a lot of misconceptions about how Auto-Negotiation works on switches. Even if the switch correctly decides that the port is running at 10 Mb/s Half Duplex, if you still have Auto-Negotiate configured for the port the switch may continue to probe the port for speed and duplex, which can cause a lot of collisions. The correct way to connect a fixed speed and duplex device like an older 1785-ENET or PLC-5E or SLC-5/05 to a switch is to disable Auto-Negotiate and hard-set the switch port for 10 Mb/s Half Duplex. 4. Check the logic and application on controllers that continuously send MSG instructions to the 1785-ENET to see if they are just re-triggering the messages continuously or if time delays between messages can be used to lighten the load on the 1785-ENET. Some applications may genuinely need data as fast as you get get it but most can wait a few hundred milliseconds between messages. Thanks for the help. As soon as i figure out how to configure a mirror port and sniff it, i'll let you know how it looks. I've managed to log all the traffic on the network but have not yet figured out how to look at one specific port. If IGMP snooping is set up right and multicast traffic is not seen, would you feel a series C 1785-ENET will help speed up communication. I have also set the appropriate ports on the switch to manual 10HDx and have seen no improvement. As far as the frequency of any messages, i've already reduced a couple as much as we can afford. The others need to be as high speed as possible. This is one of the reasons i'm skeptical about controlling things over ethernet. The manufacturer of the equipment that was installed recently insisted it would be fine. It is fine as far as there equipment is concerned, but it seems to have really slowed our network. Is the recent equipment on the same network and does their equipment communicate to other PLC's other than they one they provided? Yes, each stacker is on the same network and running a Control Logix that is continuously writing 6 words and reading 20 words from the PLC5. Unfortunately the only way around this is by hard wiring between the 2. It can be done, but if there is an easier fix such as network improvements or a newer ENET sidecar we would rather try that first. There are ALWAYS options. One option is to convert your PLC5 to a remote chassis (1771-asb module) or CNET module and get rid of the PLC5 and sidecar althogether. You can keep the 1771 I/O chassis. Export the plc5 program and import it back into one of your controllogix processors. Since the plc5 stuff is beyond legacy status, you may be able to do this OR install a small 4-slot chassis with a dedicated controllogix processor and ethernet modules as a gateway. I'm in agreement with you in that such small amount of communication should not bog down the sidecar but with the newer equipment, multicast I/O, etc. you never really know what the sidecar is seeing across the network and TRYING to respond to. The more I read about this, the more I suspect that the multicast traffic isn't being constrained by the switch and it's overwhelming the 1785-ENET module. The very simplest way to check to see if a switch has been configured to constrain multicast traffic is to plug into an unused port and run Wireshark on your local Ethernet adapter. If you see UDP Multicast traffic, then the switch definitely is not constraining it correctly. This isn't a definitive test: you can only tell for certain what is reaching a particular port by using a tap, hub, or mirror port to intercept all the data headed to that port. What make and model of Ethernet switch are you using to connect to the 1785-ENET ? I did as you said....i'm not sure i'm setting up the mirror port correctly, but i don't see any multicast traffic. It's all TCP/IP or CIP. The switch is an HP Procurve 2626. If i go to configuration, then monitor, i can select the monitor port and tell it which port to monitor. If i don't do this i see almost no traffic with wireshark. As soon as i start this monitoring i see all the traffic to and from the PLC...so i would assume i'm doing it correctly. As a quick test during the last break i unplugged the cables that go to the CLx processors and it seemed to improve things slightly, but still nowhere near where i think it should be. With that done, it should be about par with the identical equipment we're running at the other side of the plant, but it certainly isn't. I may have failed to mention we have another PLC5 with sidecar running almost the same application. The only difference is physical location, and its communicating much faster It is plugged into another identical HP switch on the opposide side of the mill, although this one probably has half the number of ports used. I'm stumped....really appreciate any input. At this point i still feel i need to try the newer ENET sidecar. If that doesn't help i'll probably have to get some sort of IT person in here to check out/optimize our network. If its still no better we will have to look at putting a CLx processor in. The only reason we haven't done that yet is because we have 4 extended Local I/O racks. But i've been told if we switch them to control net and connect to a CLx chassis, we should be able to get the same update time on those racks that we're gettting now. Great information. I'm perfectly willing to be wrong in my guesses ! It's very handy to know that you have similar equipment also with a 1785-ENET, because you should be able to do a Wireshark capture on both pieces of equipment and compare the traffic. This is the sort of network performance analysis and remediation that is my speciality as an RA service engineer. You might do best getting somebody experienced with Ethernet protocol and performance analysis to examine your data captures or come onsite with more specialized equipment like the Frontline Test Equipment NetDecoder suite. If you can capture data from the slow controller and from the fast controller and post (or otherwise make available) the capture files, I or somebody else on the Forum may be able to help. I will certainly do that. I ran wireshark on the other PLC with the sidecar and as i already knew it saw a lot less traffic. I'll save a capture from each one tomorrow and attach the file here. I didn't realize i could attach files....thats great. The one thing that puzzles me is why i don't see a big improvement after unplugging a few of the high volume network users. Maybe i didn't unplug enough of them....may try a few more tomorrow. Thanks again :) Is there a way to make these files avaialble. I thought i could attach them, but i can't attach that file type. I could attach a screen capture if that will help. Unfortunately the attachment feature is not yet complete in the Forum....:smileysad: see this POST Attaching Screenshots, have the courtesy to resize them and keep a maximum width of about 500 pixels, so that it will not create troubles in reading posts for those who have some limited screen resolution. :smileytongue: - fuzzy logic Well it took me a few days to find the time to do this, but here are some screenshots....not sure if you can read or tell much from this though. This is a mirror of the port for the processor with the slow ethernet comms. 192.168.0.1 is the PLC. Here is the plc with the normal communications. Clearly it is communicating with a lot less devices than the other. Decided to give a Ser C ENET sidecar a try. Apparently i don't quite understand how auto negotiate works. I was thinking because this new sidecar is capable of up to 100Mbps it would communicate at that speed with the other devices on the network that are also 100, but would be limited to 10 for the one other slow device (Delta RMC-100 Motion Controller). But it seems it still limits itself to 10Mbps, i'm guessing because that is the slowest device it communicates with. So if this is so, then why do other devices (Control logix and various PC's) on the network show a connection of 100Mbps when the PLC should be limiting it all to 10Mbps. I always thought auto negotiation was done on every transmission, but now i'm just confused. Its looking more and more like another Control Logix may be necessary in the near future. Thanks again for any help. n


### Human: Does PF40P suport -10V~10v? Hi, Use AB PF40P to replace Yaskawa F7 drives, Ｕser manual of PF40P said Analogue input suport +-10v, this means it supports -10V~10V? How to make it? ### Assistant: Hi there, In your manual, go to page 1-22, and have a look at the options for analog input. You will connect your analog singal wires to terminals 13 & 14, then change parameters P038 to 2 0-10V Input and A123 to 1 Bi-Polar In. This should allow you to use -10V - +10V signal input. See link... PowerFlex 40P User Manual Cheers. Thanks. The customer wants to use this anlaog input as speed reference and the customer do as what the user manue tell to do. The negative analog input can get reverse direction, and the positive analog input can get forward direction. But the customer told me the result only get forward direction. How can I help the custonmer realize this? Hi,Drive guy, Thank you. I do the experiment as what the usermanual tell to do? That's OK. Maybe, the customer hass something wrong with his wires. n


### Human: PowerFlex 4M Programming Power Greetings Drive World, Does anyone know whether or not it is possible to connect an external power supply to the PF 4M to provide programming power to the drive without powering up the entire drive? Apparently some of the competition to this drive can be powered up in a single phase format to allow for parameter programming, but not operation. Thank you. ### Assistant: A long time ago you could just power up the middle phase and it would work but not on today's drives. The drive has to be powered up to run the HIM but if you're using a 22-Comm-x (C, D, E) moduel, then there is a small box you can purchase from AB that allows you to externally power the moduel but for programming the drive...it has to be connected normally in order to power up the drive electronics, unless there's some AB wizard with a tip we don't know about. I've needed to do just what you're talking about many times in the past so I finally rigged up a 480/120 transformer, fed it in reverse, and then did what I had to do. Again, seems there could be a small 24VDC connector for allowing this to happen BUT....that would be taking too much for granted. n


### Human: request new account for 'http://www.software. rockwell. com/ extranet ' request new account: after i register,my account cannot sign in.it takes so long time to approve my request! ### Assistant: Sorry, but I can't help with that website. You'll need to use the contact us link at the bottom of the page to submit a trouble ticket with those folks. JHutch n


### Human: 1791DS-IB8XOBV4 Drawings Are they available? The config and section tools doesn't have a template. ### Assistant: So I'm leaning toward 'no' in this instance. I don't see any ... but you might get further by contacting the tech support engineers. Try chat from 8-5 EST or use Ask a Question to submit an email query. JHutch n


### Human: File missing after Patch Rollup install I installed the SE Patch Rollup from June 2009. The validator ran and showed a green check mark. Then I looked at the patch file validator log and it shows that VPGraphicsED.dll is missing. I looked at two other computers and found the same situation on both. The missing file is part of RAid61545. Why isn't the file there? Is it a new file that was introduced with the patch or was there a problem with my original installation of SE? I think I've read that files only get coppied if there is a version already there How can an automatic patch install ever work if it's installing a file that wasn't there already? Does this particular file always need to be installed manually? Do I need to check the validator log EVERY time I install any patch rollup to verify that nothing is missing? ### Assistant: I wasn't able to find anything specifically on this (though I admit my expertise is limited here). I recommend create an Ask a Question case in the Knowledge (soon to change it's name to Submit a Question, in case you read this after the change) and the product group can do some more in depth testing to find out what is going on. JHutch Thanks, I'll do that. Edit: Well, they don't make it easy. I tried a few part number searches on the Ask a Question page and finally got something for SE 5.0. Now, where do I find the revision number of my software so I can select the correct one from the list? It looks like we installed FT View SE from our Toolkit disks. Any of the SE versions will work. We're working on a better way to handle that page, but it's slow going (we've got more part numbers than I think anyone realized). All of the SE stuff gets routed to the same support group regardless of revision. JHutch n


### Human: Ultra 5000 logic for a leading edge sensor for registration mark Ok, so I am one of the sick people that use the Ultra 5000, it fit the budget and the project design. I was wondering if anybody has any better logic than this for a registration sensor. The sensor starts off blocked, clears between parts, and then I want to start a function when the next part comes into position (i'm using it as a registration offset for a labeler). This is the code I'm using right now: while ((!InputGetState(2)) && (TimerDone(1)==0)) { pe4=0; } while((InputGetState(2)) && (TimerDone(1)==0)) { pe4=1; } while((!InputGetState(2)) && pe4==1 && (TimerDone(1)==0)) Just wondering if anybody has any better way to do it that isn't as verbose. Thanks ### Assistant: Can I assume from this logic that the final step to break out of these while loops is the Timer1 going done? Why aren't you utilizing the LatchOnIndex command? You apparently don't need the motor feedback from the latch but it would provide you with a function that operated automatically. In this example you check that the count has increased on the latch then store it in memory in case you want to run an operation off that memory with TriggerShot. if(LatchGetCount(1)!=CountBuffer && TriggerShot==0) { TriggerShot=1; CountBuffer=LatchGetCount(3); } if(TriggerShot==1 && TimerDone(1)==0) function_call(); I don't know your exact use case, but this is just another way to tackle it. I've got this running on many machines right now and we don't have any issues with the timing. I'm just concerned with all of your while statements that the code will be trapped in there and unable to run any error handling routines elsewhere in the code. It worked with the way I had it, but I changed it over to more resemble your example since I hadn't even thought about it getting trapped in a loop. Guess that happens when you are programming at 2 in the morning trying to get a machine back up and running after changing out old hardware. Thanks again. n


### Human: BTR from ControlLogix to 1394 IMC on RemoteIO In my never ending quest to replace a PLC5 with a ControlLogix processor I have run onto one final comm problem... Block Transfers between the processor and a 1394 IMC servo. The PLC 5 works just fine but I can not seem to get the CL to work. The processor sees the device on the RemoteIO network because there is no IO error. However, when I do a BTR of 19 bytes it just sits there and when I change the processor to program mode the MSG.ER bit is set with the error Map instance undefined; or Block Transfer timeout My MSG logic is correct becasue I am using the same logic as the other BTRs I am doing (enable the message when the message enable bit is not set. Thanks in advance... Chris ### Assistant: Following some suggestions: At first, try (unless already done) to run only the BTR that fails...if it will work, then be sure you will not execute the BTW and BTR to the same rack/group as this can cause block transfers to at least occasionally error out.So, enable the message when the BTR enable is not set and also when BTW enable is not set. Other things to check are:Double check msg path and rack/group/slot if they are correct.Double check if the number of elements you are using are correct for you 1394. Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic This is a long shot, may not be of any use. The native word length of the PLC5 and SLC is 16 bit integers. Off the top of my head, I can't remember what the native word length of a BTR / BTW is - it may well be bytes (8 bits) as these come from the days when PLC's were 8 bits. It may be worth checking what the word length is for your block of data ( Byte, SINT, INT etc).Following on from what Fuzzy stated, double check the data - in particular word length for being correct. It may well be that the 1394 end is expecting to see data data elements that correspond to things like N7:00 etc (any PLC5 / SLC500 N integer table) and you may have to use the data mapping in RSLogix to emulate the legacy data tables? - this is just a guess, you had to do this with 'classic' panelviews and ControlLogix to enable data transfers when legacy stuff didn't know how to handle tags. Using RIO 1394's with the BT's is also going back some time, and maybe your never ending quest is to upgrade the 1394 too with Kinetix at some point? Not sure how much longer you will be able to get service on the 1394, but it may be beneficial now to upgrade that as well as the PLC - the motion controller is now all in the ControlLogix. Failing that, you could go for a Sercos 1394 as a go between on the upgrade path? I do know the getting the messaging addressing can be a pain in the butt and a bit confusing at times. I can't remember the technote id, but there is one out there for how to set up the addressing as far as what port to use for what and the r:g:s structure for the messaging. We are doing a similar upgrade to CL, but we are removing the S-class controller which outputs -10/+10 VDC signal to the 1394 amplifier and are using a 1756-M02AE card to provide the signal for the amplifier. The 1394 has encoder replication ports for the motors and these ports are connected to the encoder terminals on the 1756-M02AE card. Just another idea if the transfers continue to be a problem(though at this point it would be throwing more money at it for you) but a way to get around it. Actually, I gave up a while ago on talking to the servos. This was the final straw in replacing a system that had always been a problem. I just got done installing a system that uses (4) 1/4 HP gearmotors and (4) PowerFlex4M drives with a bot of Flex IO. The servo system was so over engineered. This new system works great. And, I can fix it. n


### Human: Message (Read/Write) between MX1100 and Compactlogix L32E Help I would like to send data (read and write) between a micrologix MX1100 and a compactlogix L32E. Can anyone provide me with an example on how I can do this or point me to where I can find examples? Thanks ### Assistant: See knowledgebase answer id 33161 Thank you n


### Human: The maximun number of PID in Contrologix Please advise the maximun number of PID in controllogix ### Assistant: RiverVN, The number of PID loops you can control depends entirely on how fast you want to scan them and how much memory you have in your controller. For very fast flow/position loops, you might only do a few or a few dozen. For slow temperature loops that are only scanned once every few seconds, you might do a few hundred. For the time associated with the PID and PIDE instructions themselves, refer to Publication 1756-RM087E-EN-E (5/2005 or later), the Logix 5000 Controllers Execution Time and Memory Use Reference Manual. This publication is available from the online literature library, or if you installed the online books, open RSLogix 5000 and click Help | Online Books and go to the Instructions page. Please understand that you will need additional logic for your application to support the PID or PIDE instruction -- I'd allow at least as much memory and execution time for the support logic as for the algorithms themselves. Also check out Publication 1756-RM006E-EN-P (7/2008 or later) for more information on the process control (function block diagram) instruction set, especially the PIDE instruction, and Publication 1756-RM003K-EN-P (7/2008 or later) for general instruction set information. PID is in Chapter 13. The number of loops you can control also depends on the controller you select. A 1756-L55 (rev 16 or earlier) will control fewer loops than a 1756-L61/L62/L63/L64, just because it is a slower processor. If you have a redundant controller configuration, a fair chunk of controller time is spent updating the backup controller, so the number of loops you can control in this configuration is also less. In a non-redundant L63 with an assortment of loop update times, you should be able to get up to about 50 loops or more, depending on how much else (two-state valves, motors, interlocks, sequences, phases, etc. etc. etc.) you have to control. This would be for a system which is predominantly continuous control. My experience is more with procedural control (batching, bioreactors, mixers, etc.), where most of the control is the assorted solenoid valves, pumps, etc. I might only have a dozen loops in the controller, but that's only because the process is mostly other sorts of control. Short answer: it depends on how fast the loops are, what controller you buy, is it redundant, what else is being controlled, etc. Best Regards,Dale, W8ABZ As I know, some PLC of Siemens, OPTO 22 have limitation about number of PID. So, Do Rockwell also have this limitation ? No limitations. Only memory size and how you optimize your programs scans for the best performance. Slow temperature loops can be executed every 1-2 seconds without affecting anything while fast flow loops every 100ms if you want. As long as you allow enough headroom in your memory for your processor to allow for online editing. I just recently finished a project that had about 125 PID loops in an L63 processor....works just fine. Do you have any Rockwell documents to prove this  No limitation ? We need it to show for our customer. Thanks in advance No I don't and I don't thnk you'll find any simply because the PID or PIDE instruction is just that....an instruction. It holds as true as any other instruction. How many MOV instructions can you have? Again, it's based on memory of the controller. Having said that, you can bog down a processor by not running them in a periodic task or by not setting the priority of the periodic tasks. How you program the instructions is more important than how many you can have. The fast loops are usually executed faster and the slower loops (usually temperature) are executed only every so often so the processor loading is minimized eventhough the memory may be at 50%. There is a document about memory and execution times for each instruction which used to be 1756-RM087E-EN-E so you might want to search for the latest version. n


### Human: Using replacement tags and using OPC for a source I am starting my first Panelview project. I have been struggling to figure out two things. 1. How can I make the Panelview1000+ use the RSLinx Gateway server(s) in my system for it's data source? 2. Can someone give me a step by step method to take a numeric variable and make it change tags based on pressing a button. i.e. one large display that chnaged its source based on which button is pressed. I cant figure out the tag substitution technmique ### Assistant: Hello, PanelView + is not working with RsLinx Gateway but RsLinx Enterprise.Be sure that you have installed RsLinx Enterprise on your PC. Regards. Not entirely true. You can use RSLinx Classic OPC data sources, but it can't connect to a remote OPC data server running on a computer somewhere else. For the most part, RSLinx Enterprise is going to get to the data just as well and probably better. JHutch Here is where I am getting lost, Once the display is developed the PV gets its own data all by itself right? They why is it necessary to install enterprise on my PC when I develop the panel? Because Studio has to use RSLinx Enterprise to get the list of tags from the processor for development. Also, before you download your finished app to the PV+, you have to test run the app to make sure it actually works. And the computer needs RSLE to get data from the processor. JHutch But I have Classic (professional) on my machine already so I would think that it could have used that. Alas perhaps it could but this is my first foray and I havent even gotten my FT activations to work yet so I know very little at this point .... It could use Classic on your computer ... but then it would need to use Classic OPC comms on the PV+. If you use RSLE on the PV+, you need to use RSLE on the PC. And in almost every case, RSLE is just going to flat out work better for Machine Edition. JHutch OK, I'll stop resisting. Thanks for the answers No problem. (And resistance is futile.) --JHutch lol. I'm feeling like a red shirt today ;) Can you perhaps explain the other part of my question in regards to a step by step method to take a numeric variable and make it change tags based on pressing a button. i.e. one large display that changes its source (tank 1, Tank 2 etc)based on which button is pressed. I cant figure out the tag substitution technique or even if there is one. Sounds like you're trying to do parameters. The help file has lots of good info. Basically, you set up a parameter file that has things like: #1 = ::{slc}n7:0#2 = ::{slc}n7:1... Then, in the display, instead of putting a tag in a numeric display, you'll put #1. Then, when you hit a goto screen button, you'll have a parameter file specified and the system will automatically replace the #1 with what is in THAT parameter file. For each set of tags, you have another parameter file and a different goto button. JHutch n


### Human: PLC5, ST using IF THEN with arithmatic I have a structured text section than I am using to determine if an address is within certain bounds. I want to determine if the address is between another address +/- 0.5. IF (B39:6/1 AND (F37:4 > (F18:40 - 0.5)) AND (F37:4 < (F18:40 + 0.5))) OR (B39:6/4 AND (F37:4 > (F18:45 - 0.5)) AND (F37:4 < (F18:45 + 0.5))) THEN B39:17/10 := 1;ELSE B39:17/10 := 0;END_IF;I do not belive any of the IF statements evaluate to be TRUE. My question is does structured text support the addition and subtraction I am performing in the comparisons? Thanks, Shane Nieukirk ### Assistant: IF (Bit_1 AND (Float_1 > (Float_2 - 0.5)) AND (Float_1 < (Float_2 + 0.5))) OR (Bit_2 AND (Float_1 > (Float_3 - 0.5)) AND (Float_1 < (Float_3 + 0.5))) THEN Out_1 := 1;ELSE Out_1 := 0;END_IF; The logic is sound; it works in a CLX, I don't know if PLC5 handles ST differently. I guess, the simplest question would be, do you have a JSR in LAD 0 with no preconditions? You are correct. My issue wasn't anything in my Structured Text section. I had separated the math into another section of the ST section. When I did this, I discovered that F18:0 + 0.5 wasn't being updated. It was at that point I realized I failed to add a JSR instruction when I added the ST section! At least, I won't make that mistake for a while... ;D If I had a penny for each time I've done that... I usually say it like this: At least, I won't make that mistake for a while... until the next time I make that mistake! ;) JHutch n


### Human: ControlNet and RSLogix5000 Hi GuysWe have the following setupController 1756-L1 and two controlNet interface module 1756-CNB(CNBR).We have used Y tap that is channel A and channel B.The turbine is running now.But one controllNEt module flashes RED LED of channel A and The second One flashes Chanel B.Now i want to ask if physiacl conditions are good that is no I/O module and ANCR is faulty what steps i taken to resolve this fault and How i check the control net modules ? if The controll net version 1.5 download again what steps i taken and what effect on the controller?actually i want to complete steps to load the controllnet and then programe to the controller?Our programe build in RSLOGIX version 10.0.Please help me in this issu?with regardsAhmad ### Assistant: Ahmad, I'm not sure what you mean by a Y tap that is Channel A and Channel B. The 1756-CNBR is used for a redundant media ControlNet network (CNet). In a redundant media CNet, there are basically two complete, and completely separate, ControlNet physical networks (cables, taps, etc.) One set of cables, taps and terminators connects the A ports of all the nodes, and the other set of cables, taps and terminators connects all the B ports. There should be NO physical/electrical connection whatsoever between the A network and the B network. The indicators you describe seem to indicate that you have a connection between your redundant networks. If you are NOT building a redundant CNet, then ONLY use the A ports on the CNBRs and be sure to configure them for A port only in RSNetworx. Let us know if you are trying to build a single media network or a redundant network. Then we can offer some diagrams, pictures, etc., to help you on your way. Refer to publication CNET-IN002A-EN-P for more information. On ab.com, select Literature Library, then open up Networks and under ControlNet, select Physical Media and Tools. The pub you want is the first document listed. You can also get the manual for the 1756-CNBR (search by catalog number). Good luck!Dale, W8ABZ n


### Human: Header go when I use pcAnywhere Hello everybody! I give remote support to some customers, but I have a little problem. When I connect my station to the customers station the header of the application - which is running withFactoryTalk View 5 and Windows XP Professional SP2 - is out, just the header. Has anybody an idea? Should I change a parameter on the system or maybe the display settings? Any suggestion? I would be very delighted to hear from somebody soon. Kind regards, Yari ### Assistant: Don't really understand what you mean by a header missing. Any chance you could take screen shots to illustrate what you are seeing? JHutch Hello!!! Maybe I need to explain a little more. When I develop an application for the HMI I usually make two parts: the header and the body. So, if I give support to the customer, just the header go out, why? Any suggestion? In advance thanks and I would be very delighted to hear from you soon. Kind regards, Yari My guess (and it's only a guess) is that PCAnywhere is treating each window as a separate app and only sending one app through. I've never used PCAnywhere (well, not for about a decade anyway) ... Is there an option to share the whole desktop screen? Maybe try another sharing app like VNC or Webex? (I've used both of them and they work, but may have trouble punching through a firewall) JHutch Thanks JHutch for your quickly answer. I am using pcAnywhere because we don't have any access to the station via IP, therefore I am using a modem with pcAnywhere. Well, anyway thanks for you help. Yari Hello, Check your screen size on your local PC.If it's not the same resolution, the header may be overwritten and only the main screen will be still available ( it's true if you are using pixel size for your header screen ). You can prevent this by using docking screen. Regards. n


### Human: ME and SE Can anyone tell me when AB decided to create SE why didn't they start with the ME software which is pretty good. Next can ME run on a PC. ### Assistant: Hello, You can run ME Runtime ( *.MER ) on a PC instead of PanelView Plus.You have to buy an activation for the runtime. Regards. n


### Human: Logix5000 Notes Field Is there a place to log revision notes in a ControlLogix 5000 application file? Something other than a note attached to a logic rung. ### Assistant: Tomonza, There's not a dedicated place that I'm aware of, like there is in RSLogix5 and RSLogix500. You could establish a convention and use, say, the Description field in the Controller Properties, or establish a Controller-scoped STRING tag ( _00_RevisionDescription ) for a short description. But it would be your convention and not a standard place. Maybe Fuzzy or Ken knows something I don't and can jump in and correct me if I'm wrong....... But I've been using RSLogix5000 since version 8.02 (and probably earlier). I tend to mark revision history on individual programs or routines (and now AOIs) using header rung comments (a full code header, usually 20 to 30 lines of text) rather than the entire application, so it hasn't been a huge shortcoming for how I do things. But I understand that people use and like (and standardize procedures based on) the feature on RSLogix5 and RSLogix500. I'm guessing this has been a low-priority item on the RSLogix5000 enhancement list for a long time.... Dale, W8ABZ We have used a dummy routine with the title REVNotes where all the revision information is stored and we've also used the first rung of any routine for changes. There is a description field under Controller Properties that you can add some descriptive text but putting it in the logic assures it goes with the logic and it's usually printed out. Rockwells AssetCentre is usually pushed as an option to log all activity, changes, etc with equipment. n


### Human: 1756OB16E Output pulsing I have a 1756OB16E card that has an output pulsing. I have searched the program and it is not being controlled by anything else, yet it still is running at a relatively high frequency pulse. I can force it on with no change. I have put it in a rung with other outputs and it still pulses. I changed the aliased to a different output and then that one will pulse, but when I put them in the same rung, the origial output (zero) will pulse. This card is electronically fused so I have isolated it from the system with the same results so it is not an excessive load. I have changed the card, with the same results. I have limited room in this cabinet and this is my last available output, and I could really use it to complete the project I have been handed. Does anybody have any ideas? Thanks,Glenn ### Assistant: Still sounds like a code issue to me since it moved to a different output when you changed the alias. Check to see if you have any FLL, COPY, or mask instructions that could be writing to a whole module. Also, cross reference the actual I/O point, not the alias, to see if anyone else may have used this in the logic instead of the alias. the output information is use somewhere else. Just make a cross reference directly on the output configuration. You will see. The fuse isn't tripping and you have logic that resets it do you? Does your project have multiple Tasks, Programs, Routines etc.? If so, try temporarily inhibiting other Tasks or unscheduling other Programs, and blocking JSRs to other Routines in the same Program and see if any of those actions cause the pulse to stop. Working your way down the resource/execution tree, you can localize what is interfering, if in fact it is code. Your statement about forcing the output wasn't quite clear: did you say that forcing the output (and enabling forces, of course) had the output continuing to pulse? If so, then it's unlikely it's the code. I'd suspect some kind of communication connect/disconnect cycle. Do you have multiple controllers trying to access this card, possibly one over a network? (The card can have only one controller owning its configuration and output data.) Is there a MSG instruction somewhere misdirected to the slot containing this output card? If you navigate to the card in the I/O Config tree online and open up the config dialog for the card, what is the comm status? (It should ALWAYS be Running.) Is this card being connected direct somehow in a remote chassis when that remote chassis already has a rack-optimized connection? Not sure how you would get that configuration to verify, but check it out. What version of RSLogix 5000 software? What controller cat. no. and firmware rev? What I/O card series and firmware level? What kind of connection and what RPI? In the cross-reference tool, enter the overall card address for the output structure ( like Local:4:O ) and see if there are any other references that could touch that bit. Same for the configuration structure ( Local:4:C ). Check for any COP (copy) instruction that is walking off the end of its destination tag, possibly into memory used for I/O comms. Any COP with a number of elements greater than 1 should be suspect. I hope one of these ideas helps!!! Dale, W8ABZ n


### Human: Micro Logic 1500 Error Code 4H See Photo For error. I assume this means the rom is going bad on this processor. Does the Micro Logic have a removable rom chip or do I need a new unit? If this is not the cause of my error any help would be grateful. ### Assistant: Unfortunately this is related to a memory corruption. Try the following to recover: Cycle power on your unit.Download your program and re-initialize any necessary data.Start up your system.Change the eeprom( if applicable). If the above does not fix the issue, then replace the Controller; there isn't a removable chip.... :smileysad: - fuzzy logic n


### Human: The replacement for motor H6200-0-H00AA and servo drive 1398-PDM-075 We are using motor H6200-0-H00AA with servo drive 1398-PDM-075 . Please help us to advise the replacement for them. ### Assistant: Are you looking for exact replacements; as in spare parts or removing them completely?If you want to remove them completely and replace with new products, the Controllogix Kinetix motion would be the way to go. But none of the existing system, hardware or software, can be reused.For spares of the H series motor, check out the web site for Elwood-Getty at:http://www.elwood.com/gettys_rockwell.shtml n


### Human: Single phase to Three phase drives for welder application Greetings, Has anyone every done an application involving a 1phase to 3phase drive application to provide power to welding equipment? I just took a call from a customer for 5 such units. Thanks. ### Assistant: Futher to my question; we are looking at adding a sine wave filter to the output of the drive to provide the cleanest possible power output to the welding machine. Is there anything else that I should be nervous of? Thanks I'm assuming it's an AC welder since you're looking at a since wave filter....however, the sine wave filter usually tries to clean up the sine wave and since the waveform coming out of the drive is PWM, I would think your sine wave filter probably won't work. The PWM since wave is actually tiny pulses riding on a carrier frequency (usually about 4kHz). I've never heard of using a drive for a welding application. I've had similar requests in the past to use a single phase drive to act as a 1-phase to 3-phase power converter. Usually I would recommend them to use a device called a Rotary Phase Converter instead as this is specifically designed to use a 1-phase supply and output 3-phase power. I could see many problems with trying to use a drive for this application. For instance if this is a transformer type welder think about the inrush to the transformer on start-up. This would usually be in the order of 12 times rated current but has been known to be as high as 50 times. You would have to size the drive to handle this peak current otherwise the drive will either trip instantly on an overcurrent or worse blow the IGBTs. Using the ramp function of the drive would probably also cause problems as the control gear in the welder itself will be designed specifically for 50/60Hz and therefore could be damaged by trying to soft start the welder by varying the frequency. I hope this is the sort of information you were after. n


### Human: Main Contactor Fault F10 Powerflex DC I inherited a machine that has a couple of powerflex DC drives on it, I love them, but I keep having a problem, I keep getting fault F 10, Main Contactor, I have been in the manual and everything seems fine, I also updated my firmware in the drives. My question is do I even need the contactor on the output side of the drive, in the manual I see where you can set parameter 1391 {control contactor} to none. I am not using dynamic braking. Also when my estop circuit is tripped I am loosing the enable to the drive, so I do not see why I have to use an external contactor. ### Assistant: Hi, if you don't use a Contactor (param. 1391 set to NONE) then check the following. When a contactor is NOT used: 1. Set parameter 1391 [ContactorControl] to “None”2. Do NOT set either [Relay Out x Sel] parameter to “Contactor” or ContactorDB” 3. Do NOT set any [Digital Inx Sel] parameter to “Contactor” Param. 140 (Digital In 8) is configured to Contactor by default :smileysurprised: Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic Here is my question-we use the external DC contactor feeding the Armature, we had a problem where the drive was stuck in an Initializing phase and would not stop using external commands-I have since wired the motor control with the e-stop dropping out the DC contactor-thereby ensuring the motor will stop-my only problem is that if the e-stop is used while the motor is running-the drive faults -displaying the Main Contactor fault-which then needs to be reset. I also dis-able the Start command to the drive at the same time-my question is this-is there a way to drop out the contactor without getting the drive fault ??? According to what I know about the drives, this is what is supposed to happen, as far as I know there is no way to use a contactor in this manner and not get the fault when this happens. I use a reset circuit along with my estop circuit to clear any faults that might have occured during a estop, it seems to be working pretty well. n


### Human: 1734-AENT/A Rev. 3.1 not showing up to select I have a 1734-AENT/A Rev. 3.1 module but in the module selection of the RSlogix5000 v.17.0, I only get to select a major revision of 2. I have downloaded the latest EDS file and firmware zip file from the software sight. I have used the RSLinx EDS Hardware installation tool and have added the eds file successfully, but even from a scratch v17.0 RSLogix5000 program does not allow me to select anything above 2.0. How do I get the software to allow me to select 3.x for the module. ### Assistant: Hello, If the version of the pointIO is not shown on RsLogix 5000, it means that you have to add the profile of this module.Go to this web site link :http://support.rockwellautomation.com/controlflash/LogixProfiler.asp You will find the version 3 of the 1734-AENT. Regards. n


### Human: Need 1068... serial number for Emulate 5 I am trying to install RSLogix Emulate 5 from the Revs 10 DVD 2. I get a screen that asks for User Name, Organization and 10 digit serial number starting with 1068... If I have the Educational Toolkit and Emulate 5 is supposed to be supported, why do I need a serial number? and if I do where can I find it? My Toolkit serial number starts with 2329... ### Assistant: The Organization / User Name / Serial Number check during installation is solely to populate the Help -> About  screen and perform a casual check on the software serial number by verifying that the first four digits you enter are valid for the product serial number. The next six digits are not examined; they can be 123456 or 000000 or anything else. Try 1068000001 and see if the software will install with that. n


### Human: devicenet can anyone explain how to do manual mapping as well as on auot mapping in devicenet communication. Thank you ### Assistant: I suggest to read the following technotes, as well as the Online Help in RSNetworx software. Aid 22309 Aid 51686 Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic n


### Human: RsView32 Is it posssible for RSview32 to send an e-mail?I thought it would have been under the set-up of alarms, but I am not finding it? I also thought I might beable to create an action under Events? ### Assistant: RSView32 uses Messenger extension to announces alarms and simple reports through pagers, faxes, e-mail, telephones, cell phones... It is available in the Extensions CD of your software, or are downloadable from Utilities and Downloads.Select category : downloads. Select Subcategory :Resource Kits. Select Product : RSView Family.Just be aware the Resource Kit version that should be installed needs to match the CPR release of RSView32. :smileysurprised: See also the Getting Results guide. Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic n


### Human: SERCOS IDN Messaging Can anyone provide a list of IDNs that can be read/written to Kinetix 6000?The configuration dialog for the MSG requires a 'Identification Number:' and 'Element:'. I cannot find these values documented. As a specific case, I am trying to read/write the bus capacitance parameter (parameter 591 in Drive Executive). I was told by tech support that this was id P-0-99, which is fine, but where can I get the rest of this magic list? ### Assistant: Here a link to the Sercos site, with a short description of IDN. http://www.sercos.com/technology/sercos_idns.htm Be aware, All SERCOS interface products must incorporate a subset of these, but do not necessarily need to include all IDNs. The following KB note explains this Sercos Messaging is not supported by RA phone support. Aid 50716 Anyway, a manual with a list of standard IDNs may be found HERE....it is NOT related to Kinetix 6000 I can't find out a list of the IDNs supported in Kinetix 6000, so I think the best way is to test it on a *real* drive... - fuzzy logic may be its too late, but for those looking the same topic look here http://samplecode.rockwellautomation.com/idc/groups/literature/documents/wp/m08seg-wp001_-en-p.pdf thanks atahualpa, very useful document. I have still not been able to find a master list, but now that I have had my hands on a real drive for a bit, I can add this:bus capacitance is not P591, but P599with that correction, seems that you can read parameters 500+ by setting the message configuration to P-0-xxx where xxx is the parameter number you want plus 500. I didn't test higher than parameter 99 though. Thanks to atahualpa for pointing to this useful resource :smileywink: - fuzzy logic n


### Human: Password Protect an input or screen I am needing to be able to use a password on a numeric input so that only a supervisor can change the value, I don't know if you can do this on just one item on the screen or if you have to make a maintenance screen with a password to get to the screen. Thanks ### Assistant: Hello, Generaly, I used a numeric display and an numeric input hide behind.so you can use the visibility function on the numeric input item.Just configure it by using an expression -> Function -> Security -> CurrentUserHasCode ( security letter ). You will be able to use the numeric input only if you are logged with the correct security level.Just create a Login button on your application to change the current account in use. Regards. n


### Human: RSLogix Ver 17, PF 70 EC, Creating new Data Base not functioning correctly on one laptop Cannot get the create new data base to function on one laptop correctly.Appears to connect to drive, and pull data from drive, but after it has completed, same message.Also if trying to use tag from this drive, (with this laptop) errors occur.What you think? ### Assistant: It would be useful to post the exact error messages you get, or add a screenshot of it. This will allow users to best try to help you on the issue. :smileywink: - fuzzy logic I had a similiar problem on one of my laptops and it was due to a failed install of a DriveTools SP /Drive AOP Database files update. There were a couple of files that were there but had a file size of 1kb instead of around 125kb like the others. I re-installed the database files and then check the file sizes and it seemed to install correctly the second time. The files are located in C:Program FilesRockwell AutomationCommonComponentsB_0001 and the subdirectories below. These are the database files that RSLogix5000 uses for reading drive parameters. Hopefully this may point you in the right direction. n


### Human: RSView ME - Device Pop-up with description display I am using RSView ME version 5.00 build number 55. I've created a Hand Off Auto pop-up that will control individual devices when you click on them. I've been able to use a parameter file to pass the tags for the buttons in, but have been unable to display a description. I do not want to have to store all of these descriptions in the PLC, so I wanted to store these strings in the parameter file for that device. How do I pass a string into my pop-up at the same time I pass in the tags for my buttons. Brian Westbrook Systems Programmer Malisko Engineering Inc.bwestbrook@malisko.com ### Assistant: Hmm, no can't pass a description (i.e., text) as a parameter. But you could create a memory tag in ME, populate it with the text description and then call a different memory tag via parameters. JHutch Create a text field on your pop up with this /*LS:0 #4*/ as the text. Now when you call your parameter file have #4 = to your desired description. n


### Human: communication problem with ml 1500 I have more MicroLogix 1500 LRP PLC and the wanted to make them together that they can communicate (DF1 half duplex, DH 485). Can there any examples or scripts with examples of wiring and settings of the PLC. I will establish communication between PLC's and PC's, but multiple PLC's and PC's no way. Gave me someone can help. ### Assistant: Hi graciano, there are useful examples of connection between multiple Mx 1500 in the User Manual, chapter 4. For example, a DH-485 network allow you to connect up to 31 nodes together, exchanging messages and communicating with PCs.You may realize this using an adapter (1761-NET-AIC) connected to every PLC (using its comm port), and then wiring all the adapters together using a shielded cable. Another solution is to use an Ethernet to serial adapter (1761-NET-ENI) also connected to the serial port of every controller, and then one or more Ethernet switches to connect them together. Both solutions can then allow you to exchange datas using Message instructions. See chapter 21 of Reference Manual to understand how they work. Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic n


### Human: Factory talk view 5.0- Display list selector properties I want to use display list selector and from that I want to read information about which screen or display is selected.I look into old program developed in V4.0 where control list properties shows me CONNECTION tab but when I use control list selector in V5.00 CPR9 I am unable to get option Connection. I don't know where I am wrong. Is there any other way to get screen selection information into PLC. ### Assistant: It isn't possible to have the Display List selector to set a tag with the selected state, the Connection tab isn't available in that object...:smileysad: If you want to read in the PLC which is the active display, usually this can be realized configuring a tag in the Global Connections, Display tab, Display Number field... the plc will *receive* in that tag the current display number you've configured in the Display Properties Otherwise, you can emulate this by implementing Startup and Shutdown Macros for each display, and allow the macros to update a plc tag with unique values. This works for Replace displays and On-Top displays. Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic The “Display List Selector” does not uses a connection tab the screen selection is configured from the “States Tab”. 1) Select the state you what to edit2) Select the display and parameter file. Hope this helps. n


### Human: Documentation explanation Hello, Here is a copy of the PowerFlex 4 and 40 Technical Data.All communications looks to be present for the PF40, is that true ?I want to use a Modbus RTU link, is it possible without an additionnal board ? Many thanks. Serge. ### Assistant: Yes, this is true; see also this LINK for more infos. All the PF4x drives can be controlled through a Modbus RTU link,using the Integral RS-485 port, without additional boards (and costs! :smileytongue: ) See appendix C of the User Manual for supported Modbus functions and connections. You may also find some infos and hints in the Knowledgebase (for example in Aid 27558) Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic n


### Human: Password Protect Access to RSLogix 5000 Programming Logix 500 has a means to prevent access to viewing/changing the ladder. Does Logix5000 have a similar feature. ### Assistant: Basically you have two types of security for Logix5000 controllers: Logix CPU Security tool The Logix CPU Security tool was created to protect the controller from unauthorized usage. A single supplied password Secures or Unsecures the controller. Once secured, this tool prevents RSLogix 5000 software from being able to go on-line with the controller. (Routine/AOI) Source Protection Tool The RSLogix 5000 Source Protection Tool (a.k.a. OEM Lock) allows you to password protect your Routines and Add-on Instructions (AOI) with a source key. Aid 8378 explains these and other security features available (it is a Tech Connect contract Users reserved doc.)See also the dedicated Programming Manual. Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic n


### Human: RS 5000 Emulate Hello all, this is my first post. I created a project in the RS logix 5000 platform, and the controller is shipped to the customer. I was curious if there was a way to emulate a project that I already created? I was successful doing this with a 500 project, but when I tried the same attempt in 5000, It gave me many errors, basically I had to create a new list of tags. Any help would be great. ### Assistant: Of course you may do this using RSLogix Emulate 5000... are you trying to emulate a project done for CompactLogix ? In that case, be aware Compactlogix Controllers I/O backplanes are not currently supported by the emulator so if you are trying to emulate a controller from one of those platforms, the I/O modules will be deleted on conversion....and then you may receive errors related to these I/O tags used in the program that have been removed by the system. If the project will no longer verify because of this, then try to reinsert similar 1756 I/O modules using the same names and slot locations. The Generic Module may also work if no close match exists.This is done simply to recreate the module defined tags that the application logic might reference. Since the Rslogix Emulate 5000 Controller doesn't have real world I/O control, inhibit all the modules in the I/O Configuration list. Take a look to Aid 37548 for Quick Start with the emulator software.Aid 41641 could help if you want to simulate I/O within the emulator. Both technotes require Techconnect Authorization to access.Take also a look to the Getting Results Guide. Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic n


### Human: FactoryTalk Studio in Hand Held Terminal(Windows CE) In one of my project i am using the Factory Talk Studio as a SCADA station and i want to use the Hand Held Terminal(Mobile PC) to give input values from the filed while roaming in the site(Wireless Network).The Hand held Terminal will be having windows CE operating system.Can i use the factory talk studio in Hand held terminal ?If anybody can clarify it please reply to this forum ### Assistant: Unfortunately this isn't possible...:smileysad: See Aid 61359 Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic Can i use RS View 32 in Handheld Terminal(Windows CE) ? No you can't. See Aid 42682 for Software Compatibility Matrix. - fuzzy logic n


### Human: FactryTalkVeiw Studio only runs demo mode HELP I am new to AB products FactoryTalk Veiw Studio just runs in demo mode. I cant get the server to run on FactoryTalk Activation Tool, just won't start. XP sp3 USB MAC on hask dongle. FTView 5.00.00(CPR 9) build 55. Logix 5000 works OK. Geoff. ### Assistant: Hello, The FT View studio is not design for Windows XP SP3 for the moment, you have to be in SP2. The last version of FactoryTalk Activation software is version 3.02Is it your version ? If not download it ( https://licensing.software.rockwell.com/ ) and re try. Regards. Most likely you have the client and not the server installed.Uninstall the Factorytalk Activation ClientInstall the FactoryTalk Activation ServerCD Path for ME isredistftaserversetup.exe or get it from licensing.software.rockwell.com Reboot, and done Ahhhh.... Thanks for the help... Well a put a new drive in the machine and loaded XP Pro SP2. Ok it's a little better but the factorytalk view sometimes starts in grace mode. If the open the activation tool I have to point to the HASP USB key each time then it seems better. The activation tool always jumps to the host hard drive. The tools server won't start, the path is correct and the LMGRD.EXE is in the folder. I get the error 1067 when I goto start the sever in admin services any ideas. Geoff Hi Geoff, I want to point you to the following technotes that may help: Aid 35092 - there are some hints about the server that cannot start... maybe some permissions that have to be set in the firewallAid 58391 - it threats the needs to stop and restart the server when a Concurrent Activation is hosted to an USB dongle. In effect, the Concurrent Activations should be preferrably hosted to an Hard Drive, instead of the dongle...it seems there are some malfunctioning doing this... :smileysad: Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic There are only two reasons why the server won't start, no concurrent licenses can be seen by the tool, exists or some other piece of software or security application is blocking it. The get activation's tab does nothing actively, changing this to point at the dongle does nothing, except if you went to get a new activation file it will prepopulate the post code data to the website, that and it's useful to identify what the host id's are. That's it. It has no other active effect. Remember when using the dongle to plug it in before boot up or if you plugged it in afterward, to refressh or restart the server in the settings tab of the tool so it will recognize the dongle right away. If the server will not start because both the start and stop buttons are greyed out, you have the wrong tool installed, install the activation server. If the server will not start because when you press the button to start it, it immediately stops, check for a firewall application on your computer, and white list the following files lmgrd.exe and flexsvr.exe Finally, if none of this works, go to the log file RSSVR.log and paste it here. n


### Human: SLC 505 Controller vs Compact Logix Controller Looking for some help. I'm rather new to the 5000 software and Compact controllers. In the SLC 505 processor there are status bits for the hour, minutes & seconds that can be used in a ladder rung. If I wanted to move the accumulation of a counter to a register every hour, I could utilize the S:40 bit in my program to do so. How is this done in the Compact Logix controller? ### Assistant: The controller's free-running clock (similar but faster than S:4 in the SLC) is interpreted as a WallClock object. You can access it in your program with a Get System Variable (GSV) instruction. There are very good examples given in the Help file for the GSV and SSV instructions. The results of a GSV read of the WallClock time are an array of DINT values: Year, Month, Day, Hour, Minute, Second, and Microsecond. If you make the target of your GSV instruction a DINT[7] array, then the Hour is the DINT[3] element. The main WallClock time runs on Universal Coordinated Time, commonly called Greenwich Mean Time (GMT), like when they call out the time on the BBC World Service broadcasts in the middle of the night. I actually like to keep my machines running on UCT, then manually do the math so I can account for Daylight Saving Time and for the timezone they're in. V17 of Logix firmware will also include a Local version of the WallClock time that will automatically adjust for timezone. Thanks Ken, looks like I can handle that. Much appreciated! Ken and all, My understanding is that the V16/V17 Local date and time in the WALLCLOCKTIME object DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY adjust for Daylight Saving Time. (Look at the date/time dialog in Controller Properties -- it does NOT say anything about automatically!!!) Basically, you have to go into the Controller Properties and check the box when DST starts and go uncheck the box when DST ends. This bumps the Local date and time forward an hour or back an hour. In a GSV/SSV of the WALLCLOCKTIME object, you can get/set these values: * The LocalDateTime attribute reports the local time (same format) based on the timezone string and the DST checkbox You can SSV this attribute to set the clock. * The DateTime attribute reports the time in UTC as a DINT[7] array: Year, Month, Day, Hour, Minutes, Seconds, Microseconds. I think you can SSV this to set the clock using UTC values.... * The CurrentValue attribute reports the number of microseconds since 1970/1/1 00:00:00.000000 as a 64-bit signed integer in two DINTS * The ApplyDST attribute reports whether the DST checkbox is checked (1) or not (0) in a SINT. You can SSV this attribute to set or clear the checkbox and do the time change programmatically using your own code based on your country's rules for when DST starts and ends. (The controller doesn't do this automatically because it doesn't know all the country rules. Besides, you don't want to update firmware whenever some country changes rules!) * The DSTAdjustment attribute tells you how many minutes the clock will shift (default = 60 minutes) when you check or uncheck the ApplyDST checkbox. You can SSV this attribute if your country changes the clock by an amount other than one hour. (Newfoundland tried this back in 1988, but I don't know of any countries that do this now....) * The TimeZoneString attribute includes the selection of time zone, like GMT-05:00 Eastern Time (US & Canada). If you SSV this attribute (it's a STRING), note that the GMT+xx:xx or GMT-xx:xx IS significant and it sets your offset from UTC in hours and minutes (before DST is applied). But, of course, all this is in the GSV/SSV Objects help...... Happy timekeeping!Dale, W8ABZ n


### Human: Factory talk View ME 5.1 Do you know when FactoryTalk View ME 5.1 will be released?Is there any way to get a bata copy? ### Assistant: The last informations I've heared give June 2009 as target release date. About Beta version...I think it would be better to ask to your local Rockwell representative...I don't know if there is this possibility though... - fuzzy logic To those who are interested, FactoryTalk View version 5.1 is now available to download at Support site. - fuzzy logic n


### Human: Nesting layers of parameter files So If I have 3 pages that are going to be used for identical processes, I can make a simple set of parameter files for each of those three processes. Those parameter files are referenced when the display is opened. Example: I have Screens 1,2,3. Which can be called in reference to process A, B, C. If I do a Display List for Screen 1, Process B I reference parameter file Screen1_ProcB. Simple, right? What if I have a menu list that says Select Process and I select A; that opens ANOTHER display that says Select Screen. I've already selected Process A, so the display list will say. Process A - Screen 1Process A - Screen 2Process A - Screen 3 I know I've selected Process A because when I wrote the description for this generic page, I put in:/*S:0 ### Assistant: I should have mentioned, this is for a FactoryTalk View HMI. Hi Justin, parameter files can only go one level deep in FactoryTalk View ME 5.00 :smileysad: Next coming Version 5.1 will have a Carry Forward Feature to support what you need (it allows the carrying of initial parameters from one display to the next) :smileyhappy: - fuzzy logic To those who are interested, FactoryTalk View version 5.1 is now available to download at Support site. - fuzzy logic n


### Human: Pop up display Do any of you smart people out there know how to display a screen that is configured as On Top and Cannot Be Replaced (checked) without using a goto display function? ThanksJeff ### Assistant: You can have the processor bring it up with a remote tag. Whatever integer value (non-zero) you place in that tag in the processor will cause the corresponding display on the ME app to open. http://rockwellautomation.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/rockwellautomation.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=27904 JHutch PS I just realized I assumed ME ... if it's SE, I don't *believe* it has that feature. Jhutch,I believe what you have noted will work when the display has a display number. I am wondering the specific display can be displayed that doesn't have a display number, this occurs when you select on top, I have also selected cannot be replaced. Thanks Actual version 5.0 of FactoryTalk Vie ME doesn't allow to assign a Display number to an On Top display, thus there isn't the possibility to open it from remote connection.... :smileysad: Next coming version 5.1 of ViewME will have this possibility; you will assign to an On Top display a number and you will able to switch to it using a new enhanced Global Connection settings. - fuzzy logic To those who are interested, FactoryTalk View version 5.1 is now available to download at Support site. - fuzzy logic n


### Human: Windows Vista Hello everyone, Does anyone know how to istall FactoryTalk View on Windows Vista? Thanks. ### Assistant: javiero, see Aid 20450.... Windows Vista (all versions) FactoryTalk View SE 5.00.00 has NOT been qualified on Windows Vista and is NOT supported on this operating system. The same issue for FactoryTalkView ME 5.00.00. - fuzzy logic Thanks, I suppos that we must wait for a new V6.0. There will be a 5.1 version launched later this year...maybe it will support it... - fuzzy logic Yes, v5.1 is scheduled to support Vista. No, I do not have an expected release date. JHutch Is there any update on when Vista will be suported? I bought FT ME and just discovered to my chagrin that it won't install on my laptop which is running Vista 32 Home Premium SP2. I'm really surprised and disappointed that Rockwell still has no support for Vista for this product - especially when you consider that Vista is starting to reach the end of its product life and Windows 7 will soon be out. It really shouldn't take this long! ...Hoping that v5.1 is not very far away! Nick-- I'm glad to see that 5.1 will support Vista, does this mean that the likelyhood is high that it will support Windows7 too? We have avoided Vista for many reasons (one being FactoryTalk support). I would also like to know if .NET type plug-in support will added to 5.1 in addition to ActiveX. We are getting ready to develop an ActiveX component and this knowledge would be handy before we advance. I attended RSTechEd in Orlando where this information was covered.View SE 5.1 will be released in August (yes, 2009)It will support Vista Business SP 1 and 2008 Server SP 1.Vista Business SP 1 can not be used as a Networked View SE Server with remote clients, like XP was used for small systems. Rockwell's policy is to not support new Operating Systems or Service Packs for existing OS's until a new release. View hasn't shipped since 2007 and Vista wasn't targeted at that time. .NET type plug in will not be supported in 5.1. Hope this helps. Hello Hutch, Just following up to see if 5.1 is ready. I was told by a Rockwell rep. that it was due out in early August and was wondering whether it's going to be out soon, or even better, maybe it's already out and I missed the announcement. Nick-- Nick - I just learned that Rockwell has delayed the v5.1 release until August 24th. That will be the web release. That's less than a week away. I'll be looking forward to that! Nick-- That's the time frame I'm hearing here as well. In fact, I have a presentation on v5.1 scheduled this afternoon, so I'll hopefully know more soon. JHutch To those who are interested, FactoryTalk View version 5.1 is now available to download at Support site. - fuzzy logic n


### Human: RSlogix 5000 takes 30 minutes to start RSLogix 5000 is taking up to 30 minutes to start. Any ideas? I checked the Factorytalk Activation Server Tool settings and the default file locations are listed in both windows. I also disabled the Start Page to see if that would make a difference. ### Assistant: Have you already seen technote 36198 ? There are few possible causes of similar issue.... Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic yes, I checked that, but the file locations are all at defaults and the software still takes at least 7 minutes upto 30 minutes to launch. I checked the task manager and it shows RS5000.exe running but it seems to not be processing. Other tasks are showing using CPU utilization, but RS5000.exe is only showing CPU utilization intermittenly over the 7-30 minute time frame. The typical shortcut for RSLogix5000 is the launcher.exe and it tries to determine the last version used and then tries to open that particular version. If you have several versions it has to go through this. I just went to each versions .exe file and created a shortcut on the desktop to specifically launch each version; e.g. one for v. 13, v15, v16, v17. It has reduced my launch time considerably and now it usually doesn't take more than a minute to launch. Worth a try... They did have v10-17 installed but I had them unistall all versions and only install v10 and 13. It is still taking typically 7 minutes to start-up. I am think about unistalling the Factorytalk Services and Activation Server and reinstalling those to see if that helps. I am going to also look at the patch list for the Factorytalk services and activation server to see if there is anything in there that may help. The RSLogix 5000 splash screen seems to come up and go away in a reasonable time, but the actual application does not show up after that for 6 minutes or so on average. I have also checked the boxes in the activation server for checking for activations at start-up to see if that helped, but it did not seem to make a difference. This problem seemed to begin occurring after installing RSnetworks for Controlnet with a concurrent activation and upgrading the activation client to an activation server. The current server being used is the CPR9 SR1 release. So there is a node locked license for RSlogix 5000 and a concurrent license for RSnetworks for Controlnet v9. Any correlation? If you're going to uninstall the FT activation services, make sure you uninstall all the rockwell products first, then uninstall. After you uninstall everything, it might be helpful to download and install the MSI clean up utility from Microsoft. It's actuall called Windows Install Clean-up. This will clean up any left-over .msi code. Install FT activation server/client FIRST. Then install only the version you'll be using and see how that works. You shouldn't have any problem with a mix of licensing as long as the client can contact ther server. I had the EVRSI (master disk) also installed since we were running older version and I had to rename the extension from .sys to .sy_ to keep the server from picking it up. Look at the log file on the server to see if it's having trouble doling out licenses. The RSNetworks stuff should not affect RSL5K from starting up in a reasonable manner. n


### Human: Competing against ITT PumpSmart / Aquarvar Pump Controllers with PowerFlex Hi there, Has anyone recently been up against ITT PumpSmart or AquaVar Pump Controllers? I have a local (AB friendly) Integrator that is currently up against this product on a job, and I was wonder if anyone could offer me some competitive collateral to offer to my integrator? Any help at all? Thanks. ### Assistant: nan n


### Human: Kinetix 6000 single-phase operation. Is it possible? Hi, I'm new to the Kinetix products and I would like to know if the Kinetix 6000 have a single-phase operation in addition to the three-phase operation. I would also like to know if the power rail is imperative, and if not, if it's safe to operate without it. ### Assistant: Kinetix 6000 needs a three-phase input power. The 2094 power rail consists of copper bus bars and a circuit board with connectors for each module.The power rail provides power and control signals from the converter section to adjacent inverters.The IAM, AM, SM, and PRF modules mount to the power rail. So, without the power rail, the system cannot be used. See User Manual and Selection Guide for more infos. Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic Thank you very much for your answer, but I would like to confirm one more thing. You sad that the power rail provides power and control signals to adjacent inverters. Since I need only a single IAM, do I still need the Power Rail? What will happen if I connect only the three-phase input power, the control power connector and the contactor enable without using the Power Rail? I'm using these materials for a graduation project at university and the materials I have, weren't specified by me, they were bought before I signed in. If I really need to buy the Power Rail, I may loose some precious time waiting for it to arrive, and that's why I need to know if I can at least perform the first tests without it. I'm afraid to have to confirm the following, but you will need a power rail :smileysurprised: IAM contains 1 Converter and one Inverter, and so you have 2 connectors on the bottom of it that needs to be connected by the power rail (see PRS1 image attached) - fuzzy logic Thank you very much for your help! Altough this is not the best news for me, now I know what to do (I thought that the connection between the converter and the inverter was internal). Can I ask you one last question? While the power rail that I will order right away doesn't arrive, is it possible to turn the kinetix on in order to getting familiar with its configuration in RSLogix, even tough i won't be able to use it to control the electric motor? Or is it impossible/unsafe? Hmmm... I've never tested it, but my guess is it won't work...and yes, I think is unsafe to try that ...:smileysad: - fuzzy logic n


### Human: Removable Hard Drives I have several identical computers with removable hard drives. I did all my activations as mobile to dongles. When I move a hard drive from one computer to a second and move the dongles with it none of the concurrent activations show up. They work fine on the first computer, none show that they have been checked out. Before I start to run anything all show available and none have been borrowed. The concurrent ones show the name of the computer but that name moves with the hard drive. Is the server still tied to the Ethernet port? I do not want to tie the server to the drive. The computers have RAID 1 and will be cloned. I want tuly mobile activations that are tied only to the dongle. ### Assistant: Michael, I've seen many times a similar behavior using the dongle to host Concurrent activations... that is the needs to stop and restart the FactoryTalk Activation Server to let it associate the licenses to the dongle. Also I've seen that when the Dongle is connected when the PC is booted up, all will be ok. Aid 50096 may give some help to correct this issue. Seems it is not recommended to host concurrent activations to a dongle.... :smileysad: - fuzzy logic Sort of works, sort of des not work. Putting it in the batch file in startup does not work every time. I put the time delay out to 15 seconds. Running LMReRead manually after everything is up always works even if I do it in less than 2 seconds. It looks like I need to make opening the client into a batch file with LMReRead occurring first. Also, now the operator will have to start the client and not have it come up immediately after logging on. This fix will not work well eventually. I need FTServer to open when the computer boots and not wait until someone logs on and opens a client. The data logging needs to start when the machine reboots. Usually it may be hours before an operator needs to log in and open the client. I will have to make it part of operating procedure that if the system powers back up then the operator must log in immediately as part standard operating procedures. This will go over big. I do not need redundancy but if I did I would be totally out of luck. This is my first experience using the new FT activation system. I have been doing PLCs for almost 30 years and was very comfortable with the old system. Now being forced to change I like the new system but it is buggy. It is not really ready for prime time and must be costing AB a fortune to support. By the fact that it takes its own forum is proof of this point. Your original post was about activation issues. now however you are branching into FT Project launch and Datalogging. You may want to close this thread and start another in the FT section to try to address your project concerns. Batch Script for concurrent activation'sUse the net commands See: net stop FactoryTalk Activation Servicenet start FactoryTalk Activation Service then add the path to the project file you want to start up example C:Program FilesRockwell SoftwareRSViewprojectIwanttorun.mer The issue is the timing between Activation startup and launching FT Project with data logging. It also applies to RSLogix when starting too fast also. I suspect these delays effect many products. Those that know will read it in this section as well as others. This forum is also open to all and does not take a TechConnect contract. The issues of activation effect all so I put it here. n


### Human: Panelview Component to CompactLogix PLC Hello everyone! I need help on how to configure a panelview component (2711c-T6C) to connect to a CompactLogix PLC. We are having problems because we could not see any CompactLogix in the controller selection field of both the serial and ethernet communication settings window. Is there anything we can/should do to make this work? Thanks in advance and your immediate response will be highly appreciated. vincefrom philippines ### Assistant: Hello Vince, I think you must manually add the device under the specific drivers. Certainly for serial communications. At first we have to remember the PV Component was developed to communicate with MicroLogix and SLC / PLC controllers; so you have some limitations when you try to use it with a Logix family controller. One of the biggest limit is that you can't connect it to a CompactLogix through Ethernet/IP, but only you can communicate serially.Another limitation is related to the fact you have to use Legacy PLC mapping to communicate over serial protocol with a Logix controller. So, in the communication setting window you have to select as controller a PLC-5 or SLC-500 fixed I/O; the same for tag addresses in PVc, you have to use addresses valid for those controllers. Then in RSLogix 5000 you need to Map PLC/SLC Messages using indications in technote 7355. Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic n


### Human: FACTORY TALK ALARMS AND EVENTS Is it required that newly concept of generating alarms and events using Factory talk alarms and events require Microsoft SQL Server. Because when I tried to create the Alarms history database it asked for the database information.But without the Microsoft SQL Server, I couldnot create the database. ### Assistant: Yes, it is required...however, you do not have to purchase MS SQL to set up alarm history for FactoryTalk Alarms and Events. Microsoft provides a free version of SQL called MS SQL Express. SQL Express is not installed by default during the FactoryTalk View SE installation; however, it is available for manual installation from the FactoryTalk View Installation CD. If you do not have the FactoryTalk View installation CD available or prefer to download the installation from Microsoft, you may do that as well. See also the Quick Start Guide , Appendix D Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic I thought that MS SQL was only required with Alarms and Events if you want data logging. If all you care about is real time info then it is not necessary. Please clarify. Firs answer was related to user's request about history database.... to store historical alarm and event data and then view them through FactoryTalk Alarm and Event Log Viewer you will need Microsoft SQL Server database. If you don't need to log historical Alarm and Events, then you can work without MS SQL. - fuzzy logic n


### Human: ProfiBus Basics? I need to know about Profibus basics and where from i can get info? ### Assistant: Obviously the best source should be the official site: :smileywink: http://www.profibus.com/ - fuzzy logic thats ok..but i need word doc etc sort to get ready to help source. In that site, vikas, you may find documentation on that... :smileysurprised: http://www.profibus.com/pall/meta/downloads/article/00454/ also here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profibus - fuzzy logic still it is not clear.need something extra and more detailed.:smileysad: vikas, again, I think that in that site you may find all what you need... or maybe your request is not cleat to me... The Profibus site is a big source of documents on this network, the technical guides are clear and give a depth overview of protocol functionality. Again, a link to download ALL about it. http://www.profibus.com/pall/meta/downloads/ Sorry, vikas, maybe I can't understand your needs... :smileysad: - fuzzy logic If your still looking for info there are a few good webinars on the Profibus site. http://www.us.profibus.com/webinars.aspx?pagetype=archive n


### Human: Programing an ABB Magmaster whith profibus card SST. Any one knows how to program an ABB Flowmeter in a SLC 500 whith an STT card? ### Assistant: Rocha, I don't know the ABB Magmaster, but I've used sometimes the SST module; if you need to understand how to use it, I may help. First, you need the GSD file for your device, from here: http://library.abb.com/global/scot/scot211.nsf/veritydisplay/86abdb7ed95e8ed0c1256f5800308bfe/$File/3KGB196000S0004_GSD_MMAS(MagMaster)_APROBE(AquaProbe)-DP.zip Then, the Magmaster manual for Profibus, where you may understand how datas are formatted. http://library.abb.com/global/scot/scot203.nsf/veritydisplay/4dca57376c5f5a2bc12572ed003cc55a/$File/IM_MM_PBS_4.pdf Basically, you need to use SST profibus Configuration software (a CD is usually sent with module, or you may find it in SST internet site); there you have to import your GSD.Then, follow the instruction mentioned in the SST user guide at page 5.2 to create a binary file (carefully insert all the properties and settings in your module, the datas you want to transfer, and see the SLC address where they will be) and at page 5.4 to upload it to the module via Hyper terminal commands.At chapter 5.1 the instructions on how to insert the module in the IO configuration in RSlogix500. These are quick informations, the procedure in the User Guide, in any case, is well explained. Hope this helps.... :smileywink: - fuzzy logic If you don't have the SST software follow this link: http://www.mysst.com/download/searchdownload.asp?Software=ON&RPP=10&PartNumber=SST-PFB-CLX&byPartNo=Go!&Product=&Keywords= It is next to impossible to find on their site. n


### Human: USB SOME PANEL VIEW PLUS HAS USB PORT. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO USE THIS PORT. ### Assistant: The terminals support standard USB keyboard and mouse devices with native device drivers.They also support some USB printers that have Printer Control Language (PCL) capabilities.Also you may connect USB Flash drives (at least firmware 4.0 is required, not all USB drives work in PVP) i.e. to transfer .mer files; following the path where the files should reside in the USB drives, to let PVP *see* them: [Drive Name]:Rockwell SoftwareRsViewMERuntime...where [Drive Name] is the drive letter designator for the host computer. I.E. E:Rockwell SoftwareRsViewMERuntime See also User Manual chapter 7 and Appendix B for useful infos Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic n


### Human: Create Produced/Consumed tags online Is there a way to create Produced or Consumed tags online? Currently I have to go offline and re-download. I am using Version 17 ControlLogix processor. ### Assistant: Haven't tried it with v17 but doesn't show up as an added feature in any of the release notes. I usually create a large array under one produced/consumed tag that's the same in all controllers. If produced_tag1 in controller 1 then I have Controller_1/produced_tag1 in controller 2 for comsuming the data. This way, I can add data to the predefined structure without having to take the processor offline. Also, defining one tag array only creates two connections (# of connections + 1) rather than a connection for each produced/consumed tag+1. That is how I plan on doing it as well. I will create an array of REAL and DINT (both have to be under 500 bytes) and I will just alias or use code to move the values into the arrays. The problem is we already have 5-6 PLCs that are online that I want to add the produced/consumed tags to. I don't want to have to worry about adding the tags offline and then re-downloading the code to every one of the PLCs. If I was just starting out it wouldn't be a problem, but since these PLCs are already in place it becomes cumbersome. It's fairly easy to do this going in feet first but since it's already in service, messaging is the simplest form, especially since you can create/delete tags on the fly and create your MSG instructions too. As a side note, I've not seen this functionality in the planned features for software version 18 ... :smileysad: - fuzzy logic n


### Human: add on instruction can anyone expalin add on instruction feature with examples. ### Assistant: Take a look to the ADD-ON Instruction Programming Manual There are also useful videos in the Start Page Media on RS5000; you may also download these videos at this LINK ... see the attachment to this post...Also you may find some examples program on the V17 RSLogix 5000 CD, and they should be installed together with RS5000.To find the ACD file go to the Start Page, Quick Start then Open Sample Project and select for example Add_On_Instructions_Samples.acd Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic n


### Human: Running RSView 7.5 SR1 on Vista (aka Microsoft, I curse thee.) Brand new, just out of the box PC, running Windows Vista Home Basic SP1, 32 bit. Installed RSView32 7.50 SR1, which the release notes claim is compatible with the version of Windows on the PC. I rebooted the PC. I started RSView. Within 5 seconds of the splash screen appearing, RSView crashes. Subsequent reboots and restarts turn out the same. I have disabled UAC. I have tried Run As Administrator. I have tried running it in XP SP2 compatibility mode. The same crash occurs every time. From EventViewer: Faulting Application: RSViewrt32.exeVersion: 7.50.11.0Faulting Module: ntdll.dllVersion 6.0.6001.18000Timestamp: 0x4791a7a6Exception code: 0xc0000005Fault offset: 0x0006a786Process ID: (Varies each time it crashes) Anyone else ran across this? And if you have, how did you resolve it? ### Assistant: Hmmmm... I've found similar problem in knowledgebase, but is related to other softwares..... Anyway, try to see if Aid 41146 suggestions could help... - fuzzy logic Wow... that fixed it. I shall sacrifice 6 longnecks in your honor this weekend. (Actually, I'm going to drink them, but you get the idea.) Thanks for the help! He He :smileyvery-happy: Ok, enjoy them ! - fuzzy logic n


### Human: Software Versions If I have multiple firmware versions loaded into my PC from one diskette, can I toggle say between version 13 and 15? Thanks in advance for any help provided ### Assistant: Not sure to have correctly understood your needs.... anyway, you can open multiple instances of the RSLogix 5000 on one PC using different software versions, and freely switch between them... There could be some possible issues with this, see Aid 39470. If it is not your request, please post again and give more details...:smileywink: Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic Yes, I am trying to figure out how to switch between the different versions...10.1,13.1,15.2...etc Thanks again! Ok christina, so has this solved your request ? If so, then may you please close the thread using the green Solution button over my previous post? Thanks,- fuzzy logic n


### Human: CompactLogix with Panel View Component I can use a Panel View Component in a procces with CompactLogix or ControlLogix controller or I need use a Panel View Plus only. Thank you so much for you time, I waiting and answer ### Assistant: At first we have to remember the PV Component was developed to communicate with MicroLogix and SLC / PLC controllers; so you have some limitations when you try to use it with a Logix family controller. One of the biggest limit is that you can't connect it to a CompactLogix / ControlLogix through Ethernet/IP, but only you can communicate serially.Another limitation is related to the fact you have to use Legacy PLC mapping to communicate over serial protocol with a Logix controller. So, in the communication setting window you have to select as controller a PLC-5 or SLC-500 fixed I/O; the same for tag addresses in PVc, you have to use addresses valid for those controllers. Then in RSLogix 5000 you need to Map PLC/SLC Messages using indications in technote 7355. Hope this helps… - fuzzy logic n


### Human: PF700 on separator, Motor Overload I have installed a PF700 on a separator. This, of course, is basically a centrifuge. In the process they have a shoot cycle that I would call a shock load. The system is running at 4700 rpm and when the shoot occurs it slows the 4000rpm. The drive attempts to induce more current to keep the rpm stable and goes out on overload. I have the drive in Custom V/Hz at this point and can only assume that I should go to SVC to have more options on run boost. Looking for someone who has a bit of experiance in this. Not a fun one to troubleshoot when accel is 10 minutes and decel in 1hour. ### Assistant: Using the standard vector control should be fine for your application. I'm also assuming that the motor parameters have been entered correctly including the number of poles on the installed motor. There are some boost setting that may help but since it takes 10 minutes to accel, the optimum solution may be to meter in the load if possible so it's not so much of a shock. How long does it stay at 4000 rpm after the load has been applied assuming it didn't trip? I'm also going to assume after the load has been added it is trying to get the centrifuge back up to 4700 RPM? There is no subsitute for Bang for your Buck I would use the next size drive up. Using more Dc boost will only decrease the time before the overload trip. A longer Accel ramp may reduce the response of the peak current , but the overload is based on the standard I2t , hence it would still trip, but at a latter time. When using the powerflex drives the type of service needed comes in two forms; normal duty and heavy duty. Heavy Duty is usually just one size larger than you actually need for the motor which allows for overcurrent protection up to 200% for 3 seconds and 150% for 60 seconds. You never state what type of material you're adding to the separator but if it's a liquid then using a control valve will be the only remedy if you don't intend to up-size the drive. I apologize for the delay. I am new in this forum. Just for reference, the motor is 75HP, 460V. I went with a 125A rated pf700. The shock load happens in 3 stages, or what thay call shoots for CIP of the system. I was able to adjust the SV Boost filter, which by default is set at 500(?) with a min/max of 0-32767. I ended up around 4000 in this parameter to give me enough torque control during the shoot to not lose so many RPM that I go out on overcurrent. The existing drive that I replaced was a Toshiba rated at 120A. Thanks for the input Always glad to hear the end result whether the forums helped or not. This forum exists on bad experiences and head-knockers so it's always good to hear a solution to a problem or headache. n