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As I said, we've been doing this seven years and there are places we cannot go by without stopping.	as i; said we've been doing this, seven years and there are places we, cannot go by without.	As I said we've been doing, this seven years and there; are places we cannot go by without	as i said, we've been doing this seven years and there are places we cannot go by without stopping.
Sam Posner and Sandra Phillips-Posner run the Web site DriveI-95.com. They joined us from Montreal.	sam. posner and, sandra phillips-posner run the. web site drivei-95.com they joined us from	Sam Posner and Sandra Phillips-Posner run the Web site DriveI-95.com; They joined us from	sam posner and sandra phillips-posner run the web site drivei-95.com. they joined us from montreal.
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And you can find links to all the places the Posners mentioned on our Web site, NPR.org. NPR's series I-95: The Road Most Traveled concludes tomorrow on WEEKEND EDITION SUNDAY with a report on what Interstate 95 could look like in 50 years.	and you. can find links to all the. places the posners mentioned on our web site npr.org npr's series i-95: the. road most traveled concludes; tomorrow on weekend edition sunday with a report, on what interstate 95 could look. like in	And you can find links to all the places the Posners mentioned on our Web site NPR.org NPR's series I-95: The Road Most Traveled concludes tomorrow on WEEKEND EDITION SUNDAY with a, report on what Interstate 95 could. look like in	and you can find links to all the places the posners mentioned on our web site, npr.org. npr's series i-95: the road most traveled concludes tomorrow on weekend edition sunday with a report on what interstate 95 could look like in 50 years.
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has differed with President Trump on some significant international issues, including North Korea, Iran and Qatar. When he distanced himself from the president on the question of American values after the violence in Charlottesville, questions grew over whether Tillerson would soon be o...	secretary of state rex. tillerson has differed, with president trump on some significant; international issues including north korea iran and, qatar when he distanced himself from the president on the question of american. values after the violence in charlottesville questions grew over. whether. tillerson would soon b...	Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has differed. with President Trump on some significant international issues including North Korea Iran and Qatar, When. he; distanced himself; from the president on, the question; of. American values after the violence in Charlottesville questions grew over whether Tillerson would soon ...	secretary of state rex tillerson has differed with president trump on some significant international issues, including north korea, iran and qatar. when he distanced himself from the president on the question of american values after the violence in charlottesville, questions grew over whether tillerson would soon be o...
At the University of Virginia campus, historians at the Miller Center have been studying the first year of recent administrations. The idea, says Mel Leffler, was to highlight the common mistakes, like the failure to appoint key advisers who work well together.	at the university of virginia campus historians at the miller center have been studying the first year. of recent administrations the idea says mel leffler was to highlight the common mistakes like the failure to appoint key advisers who work well	At the University of Virginia campus historians at the Miller Center have been studying the. first year of recent administrations The idea says Mel Leffler was to highlight the common mistakes like the failure to appoint, key advisers who work well	at the university of virginia campus, historians at the miller center have been studying the first year of recent administrations. the idea, says mel leffler, was to highlight the common mistakes, like the failure to appoint key advisers who work well together.
So, that's one insurgent, and then there is a group known as the Quetta Shura. A shura is a leadership council. Quetta, Pakistan is the city near which they are supposedly located, and it includes the most famous Taliban member of all.	so that's one insurgent and then there is a group known as the quetta shura a shura is. a, leadership council quetta pakistan is the city, near which they are supposedly located and it includes the most famous taliban, member of	So that's one insurgent, and then there is a group known as the Quetta Shura; A shura is a leadership council Quetta Pakistan, is the city near which they are supposedly located and it includes the most. famous Taliban member of	so, that's one insurgent, and then there is a group known as the quetta shura. a shura is a leadership council. quetta, pakistan is the city near which they are supposedly located, and it includes the most famous taliban member of all.
Mullah Omar, the former ruler of Afghanistan, is one of those who is believed to be hiding on the Pakistan side of the border now, right?	mullah omar the former ruler of afghanistan is one of those. who is believed to; be hiding, on the pakistan side of the border now	Mullah Omar the former ruler of Afghanistan is one of those who is believed to be hiding on the, Pakistan side of, the border now	mullah omar, the former ruler of afghanistan, is one of those who is believed to be hiding on the pakistan side of the border now, right?
Well, he is, in fact, the leader of the Afghan Taliban, the leader of the Quetta Shura, and indeed, he is generally thought to be located -most of the time, if not all the time - in Pakistan.	well he is in fact the, leader of the afghan taliban the leader of the quetta shura and indeed he is generally thought to be, located -most of the time, if not all. the. time - in.	Well he is in fact the leader of the Afghan Taliban the leader of the Quetta Shura; and indeed he; is generally thought to be located -most. of the time if not all the time - in	well, he is, in fact, the leader of the afghan taliban, the leader of the quetta shura, and indeed, he is generally thought to be located -most of the time, if not all the time - in pakistan.
What, in your view, is Pakistan doing about those specific threats right now?	what, in your view is pakistan doing about those specific threats right	What in your. view is Pakistan doing. about those specific threats right	what, in your view, is pakistan doing about those specific threats right now?
Well, I think there was a major development there about nine months or so ago, and that is a recognition by the Pakistani population by virtually all of the political leaders - including the major opposition figure, Nawaz Sharif, for example - and the bulk of the clerics, that the most pressing threat to the very exist...	well i think there was a major development. there about nine months or so ago and that, is, a recognition by the pakistani population. by virtually all of the political leaders - including the major opposition figure nawaz sharif for example - and the bulk of the clerics. that the. most pressing threat to the, very exi...	Well I think there was a. major development. there about nine months. or so ago and that is. a recognition by the Pakistani population by virtually all of the political leaders - including the major opposition figure Nawaz Sharif for example - and the bulk of the clerics, that the, most, pressing threat, to the very ex...	well, i think there was a major development there about nine months or so ago, and that is a recognition by the pakistani population by virtually all of the political leaders - including the major opposition figure, nawaz sharif, for example - and the bulk of the clerics, that the most pressing threat to the very exist...
If you'll excuse me, sure, they're going after Taliban elements that they see as attacking inside Pakistan, but they're not going after the elements that we just described who are seen as attacking inside Afghanistan.	if you'll excuse me sure they're going after taliban elements that they see as attacking inside pakistan but they're not going after the elements that we just described who are, seen as attacking inside	If you'll excuse me, sure, they're going after Taliban elements that they see as attacking inside Pakistan but they're not going after the. elements that we just described who are seen as attacking inside	if you'll excuse me, sure, they're going after taliban elements that they see as attacking inside pakistan, but they're not going after the elements that we just described who are seen as attacking inside afghanistan.
In some cases, they are. Again, it depends on whether those organizations, needless to say, have posed a threat to the writ of governance, as it's termed, of Pakistan. In some other cases, there are elements that they have not yet gone after, and, in fact, I think we have to be very understanding of this, frankly. Ther...	in some cases they are, again it depends on whether those organizations needless to say have posed a, threat, to. the writ of governance as it's termed of pakistan in some other cases there are elements that they have not yet gone after and in fact i think we have to be very understanding. of this frankly there are - y...	In some cases, they are Again it depends on whether those organizations needless to say have posed. a threat to the writ, of governance as it's. termed of Pakistan In some other cases there are elements that they have not yet gone after and in fact I think we have to be very understanding of, this frankly. There are, -...	in some cases, they are. again, it depends on whether those organizations, needless to say, have posed a threat to the writ of governance, as it's termed, of pakistan. in some other cases, there are elements that they have not yet gone after, and, in fact, i think we have to be very understanding of this, frankly. ther...
It sounds like you feel there are limits to what the United States can ask Pakistan to do.	it sounds; like, you feel, there are limits, to what the united states can ask pakistan to.	It sounds like you feel there are limits to what the United States, can ask. Pakistan to	it sounds like you feel there are limits to what the united states can ask pakistan to do.
Well, there are limits to how fast we can expect or perhaps demand that Pakistan can take certain action. The fact is that they have shifted a substantial amount of their military from, for example, the Indian border from other locations to deal with this extremist threat. And I think you cannot underestimate how impor...	well there, are limits to how, fast we can expect or perhaps demand that pakistan can take certain action the fact is that they have; shifted a substantial amount of their military from for example the indian border from other locations. to deal with, this extremist threat and i think you cannot underestimate how, impo...	Well there are limits to how fast we can expect or perhaps demand that Pakistan can take certain action The. fact is that they have shifted a substantial amount of their military from for example the Indian border from other locations to deal with this extremist, threat And I think you cannot underestimate how, importa...	well, there are limits to how fast we can expect or perhaps demand that pakistan can take certain action. the fact is that they have shifted a substantial amount of their military from, for example, the indian border from other locations to deal with this extremist threat. and i think you cannot underestimate how impor...
You mentioned that for about nine months, Pakistan has been going heavily against some of these extremist groups along the border. But relatively recently, in October, we interviewed the foreign minister of Pakistan and asked him about Mullah Omar, who is believed, as you said, to be hiding frequently on the Pakistani ...	you, mentioned that for about nine months pakistan has been going heavily against some of these extremist groups along the border but, relatively recently in october we; interviewed the foreign minister of pakistan and asked. him about mullah omar who is believed as you said to be, hiding frequently on the pakistani si...	You mentioned that for about nine; months Pakistan has been going heavily against some of. these extremist groups along the border But relatively recently in, October. we interviewed the foreign minister of Pakistan and asked him about Mullah Omar who is believed as you said, to be hiding frequently, on. the Pakistani ...	you mentioned that for about nine months, pakistan has been going heavily against some of these extremist groups along the border. but relatively recently, in october, we interviewed the foreign minister of pakistan and asked him about mullah omar, who is believed, as you said, to be hiding frequently on the pakistani ...
Well, first of all, to be fair, the intelligence on the whereabouts of these individuals is sketchy in many cases. I mean, when you come to Osama bin Laden, for example, there hasn't been a confirmed location for him for years - not just months or weeks. But by and large, certainly, we think that the bulk of the leader...	well first of all to, be fair the intelligence on, the whereabouts of, these individuals. is sketchy in. many cases i mean when you, come to osama bin laden for example there hasn't been a. confirmed location for. him for years - not just months or weeks but by and large certainly we think that the bulk of the leaders ...	Well first. of all to be fair. the intelligence on the whereabouts of these individuals is sketchy in many cases I mean when you come to Osama bin Laden, for example there hasn't been a confirmed location for him for years - not just months, or weeks But by and large certainly we think that the, bulk; of the leaders. o...	well, first of all, to be fair, the intelligence on the whereabouts of these individuals is sketchy in many cases. i mean, when you come to osama bin laden, for example, there hasn't been a confirmed location for him for years - not just months or weeks. but by and large, certainly, we think that the bulk of the leader...
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Is there a bit of a dance that goes on in that you say we have intelligence, generally, that we think they're in Pakistan? They say show us exactly where. You say it's your country. You've got the local people on the ground. You need to find them. And they say, no, show us exactly where they are.	is there a bit of a dance that goes on in that you say we have intelligence generally that we think they're in pakistan? they say show us exactly where you say it's your country you've got the, local people on the ground you need to find them and they say no show us exactly where they	Is there a bit of a dance that, goes on in that you say we have intelligence generally that we think they're in Pakistan? They say show; us. exactly where You say it's your, country You've got the local people on the ground You need to. find them And they say no show us. exactly where they	is there a bit of a dance that goes on in that you say we have intelligence, generally, that we think they're in pakistan? they say show us exactly where. you say it's your country. you've got the local people on the ground. you need to find them. and they say, no, show us exactly where they are.
I think we're a little bit past that point, candidly, Steve. I mean, let's remember that, number one, manhunts are pretty difficult. And you have a sense of where someone is, but senses don't provide geo-coordinates to people. And so I think you have to be somewhat tolerant, again, of also how fast the dynamic can chan...	i think we're a little bit, past that point candidly steve i, mean let's remember, that, number one manhunts are pretty. difficult and you have a sense of where someone is but senses don't provide geo-coordinates to people and so i think you have to be somewhat tolerant again of also how. fast the dynamic can	I think, we're a little bit past that point candidly Steve; I mean let's remember that number one, manhunts are pretty difficult And you have a sense of where someone is but senses don't provide geo-coordinates to people And so I think you have to be somewhat tolerant again of also how fast the dynamic can	i think we're a little bit past that point, candidly, steve. i mean, let's remember that, number one, manhunts are pretty difficult. and you have a sense of where someone is, but senses don't provide geo-coordinates to people. and so i think you have to be somewhat tolerant, again, of also how fast the dynamic can chan...
Can you win in Afghanistan so long as there are apparently safe havens for some of your enemies crossing the border to Pakistan?	can you win in afghanistan so long as there. are apparently safe havens for some of your enemies crossing the border to	Can you win in, Afghanistan so, long as there are apparently safe havens for some of your enemies crossing the border to.	can you win in afghanistan so long as there are apparently safe havens for some of your enemies crossing the border to pakistan?
Well, clearly, to continue to make progress, there have to be complimentary efforts on either side of the border. And ideally, we want to build that not just with us as the go-between, but ideally over time, the respective intelligence organizations of Pakistan and Afghanistan, leaders of the two countries and so forth...	well clearly to continue to make progress there have to be complimentary efforts on either side of the border and. ideally we, want to build that not just. with us as; the go-between but ideally over time the respective intelligence, organizations of pakistan and afghanistan leaders of the two countries and so forth bu...	Well clearly to; continue to make progress there have to be complimentary efforts. on either side of the border And ideally we want to build, that not just with us as the go-between but ideally over time the respective intelligence, organizations of Pakistan and. Afghanistan, leaders, of the two countries and so forth ...	well, clearly, to continue to make progress, there have to be complimentary efforts on either side of the border. and ideally, we want to build that not just with us as the go-between, but ideally over time, the respective intelligence organizations of pakistan and afghanistan, leaders of the two countries and so forth...
But getting back to that fundamental question: Can you win, so long as there are safe havens outside of Afghanistan for the people you're fighting?	but getting. back to that fundamental question: can you win so long as there are safe havens, outside, of afghanistan for the people you're,	But getting back to that fundamental question: Can you win so long as there are safe havens, outside of Afghanistan, for the people you're	but getting back to that fundamental question: can you win, so long as there are safe havens outside of afghanistan for the people you're fighting?
Depends how large the safe havens and sanctuaries are, obviously. And, again, the objective is to see those whittled down on either side of the border. Again, there has to be continued level of pressure and progress in that regard.	depends how large the safe havens and. sanctuaries are obviously and again the objective is to see those whittled down on either side of the border again there has to be continued level of pressure and progress, in that,	Depends how large the safe havens and sanctuaries are obviously And again the objective is to see those whittled down on either side of the border Again there has. to be continued level of. pressure and progress in that	depends how large the safe havens and sanctuaries are, obviously. and, again, the objective is to see those whittled down on either side of the border. again, there has to be continued level of pressure and progress in that regard.
That's General David Petraeus, the commander of all U.S. forces in a huge region that includes the Middle East and South Asia.	that's general david petraeus the commander of all u.s forces in a huge region that includes the middle east and south	That's General David Petraeus the commander of all U.S forces in a huge region that includes the Middle East and South	that's general david petraeus, the commander of all u.s. forces in a huge region that includes the middle east and south asia.
A bomb exploded today at a mosque near Pakistan's army headquarters, and early reports say dozens of people were killed in the city of Rawalpindi.	a bomb exploded today at a mosque; near pakistan's army headquarters and early reports say dozens of people were killed in the city of	A bomb exploded today at a mosque near. Pakistan's army headquarters and early reports say dozens of people were killed in the city of	a bomb exploded today at a mosque near pakistan's army headquarters, and early reports say dozens of people were killed in the city of rawalpindi.
And, Steve, all of this is happening in the same week. President Obama says that he's sending 30,000 troops to Pakistan's neighbor, Afghanistan. The president also set a deadline to start bringing those troops home, which brings up one very important question for General Petraeus. He believes in a very disciplined, pat...	and steve all of this, is happening in the same; week president obama says that he's sending 30,000 troops to; pakistan's neighbor afghanistan the, president also set a deadline to, start bringing those troops home which brings up one very important, question for general petraeus he believes in a very disciplined patie...	And Steve, all of this is happening in the same, week President, Obama says that he's sending 30,000 troops to Pakistan's neighbor Afghanistan. The president also set a deadline to start bringing. those troops home which brings up one very important question for General Petraeus He believes in a very disciplined patien...	and, steve, all of this is happening in the same week. president obama says that he's sending 30,000 troops to pakistan's neighbor, afghanistan. the president also set a deadline to start bringing those troops home, which brings up one very important question for general petraeus. he believes in a very disciplined, pat...
Well, let's play a little more of the interview that gets to that issue. I asked if there is time for that patient approach. It's very tough. It takes a lot of discipline for soldiers to work in a civilian population and not do more harm than good. And I asked if the U.S. can train Afghans to do that in 18 months, and ...	well let's play a little more of the interview that gets to that issue i asked if there is time for that patient, approach, it's very tough it takes a lot of discipline for soldiers to work in a civilian population and not do more harm, than good and i asked if the u.s can train afghans to do that in 18 months and petr...	Well let's play a. little more of. the interview that gets to that issue I asked if there is. time for that patient approach It's very tough It takes a lot of; discipline for soldiers to work in a civilian population and not do more harm than good And I asked if the U.S can train Afghans, to do that in 18 months, and P...	well, let's play a little more of the interview that gets to that issue. i asked if there is time for that patient approach. it's very tough. it takes a lot of discipline for soldiers to work in a civilian population and not do more harm than good. and i asked if the u.s. can train afghans to do that in 18 months, and ...
There is nothing easy about anything in Afghanistan. It's all hard, and it's hard all the time. But this is what we need to do, and that's what we're going to strive to do.	there is nothing easy about anything in afghanistan it's. all, hard and it's hard all the, time but. this is what, we need to; do and that's what we're going to strive to	There is nothing easy about anything in Afghanistan It's all hard and it's hard all the time But this is what we need to do and, that's, what we're going to strive to	there is nothing easy about anything in afghanistan. it's all hard, and it's hard all the time. but this is what we need to do, and that's what we're going to strive to do.
Have we touched on maybe the greatest challenge, here? Getting Afghans ready that quickly.	have we touched on maybe the greatest challenge. here? getting afghans ready that	Have we touched on maybe the greatest. challenge here? Getting Afghans ready that	have we touched on maybe the greatest challenge, here? getting afghans ready that quickly.
Well, certainly, the Afghan security force development is one of the long polls in this overall tent, as are just the sheer efforts to develop human capital in a country where illiteracy is 60, 70 percent or more. But we have seen that where we do this properly, that progress is possible. And what we're now going to do...	well certainly the. afghan security force. development is one of the long polls in this overall, tent as are just the sheer, efforts to develop human capital in a country where illiteracy is 60, 70 percent or more but we have seen that where we do this properly that progress is possible and what we're, now going to do ...	Well certainly the Afghan security force development is one of, the long polls, in this overall tent as are just the sheer efforts to develop human capital in a country. where, illiteracy is 60, 70 percent or more But we; have seen that where we do. this, properly that progress is possible And what we're now going to d...	well, certainly, the afghan security force development is one of the long polls in this overall tent, as are just the sheer efforts to develop human capital in a country where illiteracy is 60, 70 percent or more. but we have seen that where we do this properly, that progress is possible. and what we're now going to do...
And General David Petraeus is one of many U.S. officials reminding us that this 2011 date is just a time to start withdrawing. More troops could stay longer if needed.	and general david petraeus is. one of many u.s officials reminding us, that this 2011 date is just a time to start withdrawing more, troops could stay longer if	And General David Petraeus, is one of many U.S officials reminding us that this 2011 date is just a, time to start withdrawing More troops could; stay longer if	and general david petraeus is one of many u.s. officials reminding us that this 2011 date is just a time to start withdrawing. more troops could stay longer if needed.