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>> Cleanroom Manager, Shared Instrumentation Laboratories
>> School of Engineering and Applied Sciences
>> University at Buffalo
>> 114A Davis Hall
>> Buffalo, NY 14260
>> Tel: 716.645.2584
>> Email: jks7 at buffalo.edu <mailto:jks7 at buffalo.edu>
>> Shared Facilities: http://buffalo.edu/shared-facilities-equip
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From patricns at uw.edu Wed Sep 20 06:39:07 2023
From: patricns at uw.edu (N Shane Patrick)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 03:39:07 -0700
Subject: [labnetwork] launderable cleanroom clothing
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Hi Dennis,
And with full knowledge and maybe a slightly vindictive hope that some of these companies are listening - it?s our opinion that there are no good cleanroom laundry vendors.
We went through this process when our contract with Cintas came up for renewal about 2 years ago. In terms of laundry quality we had no particular issues with that, but we did have issues with laundry going missing, laundry from a different group getting sent to us, poor communication, a steady creep in invoiced amounts, and at one point they added a different department here to our billing without confirming with us. To be fair, the managers of their cleanroom division have been promptly communicative and have always tried to work with us to fix the problem of the month. Communication wise I?d probably still prefer them.
And regardless, all of that would still be better that Aramark who never even returned our requests for quotes and the like.
Currently we are in an agreement with Prudential Cleanroom Services. Pricing and laundry quality has been great. I?ve got a couple of items that belong to someone else mixed in, but not too bad. Our biggest complaint with them has been that there was a major disagreement at the start of the contract about what we thought we ordered and what the paperwork said - at least part of that was on us - and it has been nearly impossible to get responses from the sales lead since the original contact negotiations, even if what I want to talk about is potentially giving them more money. I feel like they may have grown too quickly, at least their west coast arm, and are struggling to manage that. But that?s a feeling because no one will speak with me enough to confirm or deny it.
I know some places do their own laundry at this point. That might be best if you have the space and infrastructure.
At the end of the day, it really seems like they all have their problems, sharing many of the same problems even, and that there is no ?easy to work with? option. At this point I essentially feel like I need to micromanage the process regardless of who is doing the service. I?ll review my documents and comment on pricing to you separately.
Best of luck. Really curious if this sentiment is general across this list or just us?
-N. Shane Patrick
Manager, Lab Operations and Safety
Washington Nanofabrication Facility
University of Washington
Seattle, WA
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> On Sep 19, 2023, at 7:24 PM, Dennis Schweiger <schweig at umich.edu> wrote:
>
> ?
> Good afternoon all,
>
> Here at the University of Michigan/LNF we've been using launderable garments for many years (Cintas is the provider). We've had mostly good success, and our vendor has helped us to incorporate a simple suit modification to allow for better identification of individuals when they are in full garb. As part of our due diligence for keeping costs under control, we'd be interested in comparing notes with other Universities that are also using an outside company to provide your laundry service. Currently our laundry costs run us about $52K/year and we're laundering roughly 500 pieces of clothing every week.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Dennis Schweiger
> University of Michigan/LNF
>
> 734.647.2055 Ofc
>
> "People can be divided into 3 groups - those that make things happen, those that watch things happen, and those that wonder what happened." Within which group do you belong?
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From cveith at seas.upenn.edu Wed Sep 20 08:13:40 2023
From: cveith at seas.upenn.edu (Charles Veith)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 08:13:40 -0400
Subject: [labnetwork] launderable cleanroom clothing
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Good Morning Dennis:
At Penn, I am on my third cleaning service in nine years and
finally successful.
Back in 2021, I was given the okay by Meredith Metzler to buy our own
garments. We spent
approximately $54,000.00 to buy 3 times the required garments to meet
demands of 150 users.
Owning our garments, we no longer had to deal with contract conditions
forced upon us by the
cleaners. These conditions are all negative for trying to keep costs under
control. (i.e. Damaged
Garment Charges and how often to do laundry).
Also, Our garments are washed alone with no other firms included
in the cleaning or drying
process. This is a big change that ensures there is no cross contamination
with other firms
garments.
Invoice from 8/11/2023 was $444.22, which is an every other week
cleaning. If big semi
is having their suits cleaned every other, why do we need it every week?
Here is the break down from on Prudential Cleaning Service
Invoice
Quantity of Coveralls
169
Quantity of Boots
388
Quantity of Hoods
238
Frocks
8
Total
808
Cost

>> Cleanroom Manager, Shared Instrumentation Laboratories

>> School of Engineering and Applied Sciences

>> University at Buffalo

>> 114A Davis Hall

>> Buffalo, NY 14260

>> Tel: 716.645.2584

>> Email: jks7 at buffalo.edu <mailto:jks7 at buffalo.edu>

>> Shared Facilities: http://buffalo.edu/shared-facilities-equip

>>

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From patricns at uw.edu Wed Sep 20 06:39:07 2023

From: patricns at uw.edu (N Shane Patrick)

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 03:39:07 -0700

Subject: [labnetwork] launderable cleanroom clothing

In-Reply-To: <CAKzi2_Prw8TnQhP=qL=Zu-tmKzkgbDmP4DyQGPC9vEpru8s9HQ@mail.gmail.com>

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Message-ID: <3E1585A0-A6E3-4294-A36C-AF2717F0B87B@uw.edu>

Hi Dennis,

And with full knowledge and maybe a slightly vindictive hope that some of these companies are listening - it?s our opinion that there are no good cleanroom laundry vendors.

We went through this process when our contract with Cintas came up for renewal about 2 years ago. In terms of laundry quality we had no particular issues with that, but we did have issues with laundry going missing, laundry from a different group getting sent to us, poor communication, a steady creep in invoiced amounts, and at one point they added a different department here to our billing without confirming with us. To be fair, the managers of their cleanroom division have been promptly communicative and have always tried to work with us to fix the problem of the month. Communication wise I?d probably still prefer them.

And regardless, all of that would still be better that Aramark who never even returned our requests for quotes and the like.

Currently we are in an agreement with Prudential Cleanroom Services. Pricing and laundry quality has been great. I?ve got a couple of items that belong to someone else mixed in, but not too bad. Our biggest complaint with them has been that there was a major disagreement at the start of the contract about what we thought we ordered and what the paperwork said - at least part of that was on us - and it has been nearly impossible to get responses from the sales lead since the original contact negotiations, even if what I want to talk about is potentially giving them more money. I feel like they may have grown too quickly, at least their west coast arm, and are struggling to manage that. But that?s a feeling because no one will speak with me enough to confirm or deny it.

I know some places do their own laundry at this point. That might be best if you have the space and infrastructure.

At the end of the day, it really seems like they all have their problems, sharing many of the same problems even, and that there is no ?easy to work with? option. At this point I essentially feel like I need to micromanage the process regardless of who is doing the service. I?ll review my documents and comment on pricing to you separately.

Best of luck. Really curious if this sentiment is general across this list or just us?

-N. Shane Patrick

Manager, Lab Operations and Safety

Washington Nanofabrication Facility

University of Washington

Seattle, WA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2023, at 7:24 PM, Dennis Schweiger <schweig at umich.edu> wrote:

>

> ?

> Good afternoon all,

>

> Here at the University of Michigan/LNF we've been using launderable garments for many years (Cintas is the provider). We've had mostly good success, and our vendor has helped us to incorporate a simple suit modification to allow for better identification of individuals when they are in full garb. As part of our due diligence for keeping costs under control, we'd be interested in comparing notes with other Universities that are also using an outside company to provide your laundry service. Currently our laundry costs run us about $52K/year and we're laundering roughly 500 pieces of clothing every week.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Dennis Schweiger

> University of Michigan/LNF

>

> 734.647.2055 Ofc

>

> "People can be divided into 3 groups - those that make things happen, those that watch things happen, and those that wonder what happened." Within which group do you belong?

> _______________________________________________

> labnetwork mailing list

> labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu

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From cveith at seas.upenn.edu Wed Sep 20 08:13:40 2023

From: cveith at seas.upenn.edu (Charles Veith)

Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 08:13:40 -0400

Subject: [labnetwork] launderable cleanroom clothing

In-Reply-To: <CAKzi2_Prw8TnQhP=qL=Zu-tmKzkgbDmP4DyQGPC9vEpru8s9HQ@mail.gmail.com>

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Message-ID: <CAM0GB=F2N4S7dW0v_b+GrjyVOwjdBmqDckHt9tv5JTfoRoEURQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good Morning Dennis:

At Penn, I am on my third cleaning service in nine years and

finally successful.

Back in 2021, I was given the okay by Meredith Metzler to buy our own

garments. We spent

approximately $54,000.00 to buy 3 times the required garments to meet

demands of 150 users.

Owning our garments, we no longer had to deal with contract conditions

forced upon us by the

cleaners. These conditions are all negative for trying to keep costs under

control. (i.e. Damaged

Garment Charges and how often to do laundry).

Also, Our garments are washed alone with no other firms included

in the cleaning or drying

process. This is a big change that ensures there is no cross contamination

with other firms

garments.

Invoice from 8/11/2023 was $444.22, which is an every other week

cleaning. If big semi

is having their suits cleaned every other, why do we need it every week?

Here is the break down from on Prudential Cleaning Service

Invoice

Quantity of Coveralls

169

Quantity of Boots

388

Quantity of Hoods

238

Frocks

8

Total

808

Cost